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« on: February 28, 2005, 09:49:35 AM »

Here's something for a future release:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/misc/apmisc-S69-41519.jpg

Apparently it was tentatively planned for use on Apollo 20, if they'd got that far (and got it to work Happy)...
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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2005, 01:53:48 AM »

:lol: Interesting

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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2005, 01:51:15 PM »

"Look ma! No hands! on the moon!"
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2005, 10:17:48 AM »

At some point in the distant future I was thinking that we're probably going to want to add more of the proposed Apollo Applications Program missions (of which Skylab was about the only real-world result).

One big change that would be beneficial there would be to remove the monolithic 'Saturn V', 'Saturn 1b' and 'LEM' classes and replace them with stages which can be stuck together to build Saturn spacecraft from scratch. Not something we'd want to do in this release, but it's worth thinking about for the next one.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2005, 01:49:35 PM »

This is a great idea and sounds very cool!  Happy
Just because I'm still an Apollo newbie: What were the proposed Apollo Applications Program missions, except Skylab (and ASTP?)?
I already heard about a MOL orbital station, but this was planned by the Air Force?

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2005, 02:04:29 PM »

MOL was Gemini-based.

There were a variety of plans for Apollo in the 70s, including a mini spacestation launched with a long-duration CSM on a Saturn 1b, and an orbiting manned telescope built from a LEM (parts of which were incorporated into Skylab).

I have been looking on the web for any definitive documents, but haven't found them.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2005, 02:19:52 PM »

There is various PDF available over here:

http://www.geocities.com/bobandrepont/apollopdf.htm

Scroll down until you see "Apollo Applications Program (Pre-Skylab)"

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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2005, 03:19:58 PM »

I gotta said that a Skylab detailed as much as the new NASSP will be terrific!  Cool
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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2005, 08:09:26 AM »

Thinking about it, this would obviously invalidate all old saved scenarios, so I guess we'd better leave it for 8.0.
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2005, 08:07:00 AM »

Here's one mission plan: kind of a 'Skylab to Venus'.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790072165_1979072165.pdf

I'm guessing it would need one of the stretched (or SRB-assisted) Saturn V boosters to get that far.
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2005, 11:10:11 AM »

Oh my god, that's weird!  Shocked
What would had happen if they really did that...
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2005, 12:19:13 PM »

hmm ... sweet! ... I'd like also to see a Skylab pushed to Moon orbit ... sort of a Moonlab Happy
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2005, 02:58:53 PM »

My first thought was what they'd do if the SIVB engine failed after reaching escape velocity but before putting them on the right course to bring them back to Earth. But apparently if they had to abort the SPS has enough fuel to bring it back onto an orbit which would intersect the atmosphere for a re-entry after a fairly short time.
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2005, 01:16:00 PM »

Another interesting one (though not really part of the AAP), with some info about plans to replace the first stage of the Saturn 1b with a solid rocket motor, resulting in something very similar to the 'new' CEV launcher.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790072544_1979072544.pdf

Couple of others that I've only skimmed through that seem to have some interesting info about alternate Saturn designs:

http://www.ilr.tu-berlin.de/koelle/ILR-Mitteilungen/Archive/ILR351.pdf
http://www.ilr.tu-berlin.de/koelle/ILR-Mitteilungen/Archive/ILR352.pdf

Even weirder one with five solid rockets replacing the first stage:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19740076081_1974076081.pdf

More, including six-engine SI stage and seven-engine SII stage:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19650020081_1965020081.pdf
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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2005, 06:08:24 AM »

Another unusual use for a LEM.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19790076663_1979076663.pdf
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