TRICKLE-L: 199605XX
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Thu May 2 00:45 EDT 1996
Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:37:26 -0500
Message-Id: <199605020437.AA10124@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 487
Contents:
irrigation frequency (Jochen.Eberhard@t-online.de (Jochen Eberhard))
Date: Wed, 1 May 96 12:09 +0100
From: Jochen.Eberhard@t-online.de (Jochen Eberhard)
Subject: irrigation frequency
A question to Abelardo Contreras and everybody involved in the subject:
Welcome to the group and thanks for the introduction.
You wrote:
> 8) How frequent do you irrigate? Many times a day or just one long session
per day or several days? <
>Very frequently daily more than 8 times daily.
I would be glad if you could describe your irrigation system a little bit.
How long is one irrigation cycle. It can not be very long?? Is there a minimum
irrigation time when using drip irrigation systems, because it usually takes
some time to fill the system with water. So I thinks the longer the irrigation
cycle is, the better is the distribution uniformity. In other words: one long
irrigation event per day is better than 3 short ones, taking normal soil
conditions.
Is this right and are there any reports about minimum irrigation time depending
on length of the systems, and what about if there is a slope in the field. Is it
better in this case to feed the lines from the higher elevation?
If the group had already discussed this problems in former times, please tell me
the time and I will get the files.
Thanks
Jochen Eberhard
email: Jochen.Eberhard@t-online.de
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Fri May 3 12:53 EDT 1996
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 11:44:16 -0500
Message-Id: <199605031644.AA15553@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 488
Contents:
RE: rodents, tobacco, cleaning products. (Manrique Brenes <mjbrenes@ucdavis.edu>)
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 09:38:04 -0700
From: Manrique Brenes <mjbrenes@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: RE: rodents, tobacco, cleaning products.
A friend in Brazil has forwarded me the following questions, I could use =
all the feedback and comments to see if I can give him some answers:
1-Some distributors there are claiming that some kinds of tapes are more =
susceptible than others, to rodents attack. I had never heard anything =
like that, still if for any reason this would be true please let me know =
the rational behind it. I remember there was a long discussion on =
rodents and how to address them not long ago. If anyone could remind the =
approximate dates I could go back to the stored files to rechecked them?
2-I know that some companies are selling cleaning solutions for drip =
systems (Dissolve?). I remember they were somewhat popular when Bi-wall =
was still around. Does anyone has any expirience with these products =
and know where to contact these manufacturers.
3-Does anyone out there has any experience with drip management in =
tobacco. I know from an experience in Costa Rica 5 years ago that the =
impact was good, but at that time we could not justify it economically. =
Other people has mentioned to me that they have had problems bringing =
the leaves to a maturity. Any feedback is appreciated.
Thanks a lot.
Manrique Brenes
UC Davis=20
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sat May 4 12:52 EDT 1996
Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 11:44:32 -0500
Message-Id: <199605041644.AA06687@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 489
Contents:
GROUNDWATER Listserv (KenBannister@groundwater.com (Kenneth E. Bannister))
RE: rodents, tobacco, reply from F. Lamm (FLamm@oznet.ksu.edu (Freddie Lamm))
Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 14:36:24 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: 03 May 96 16:14:53 CDT
From: FLamm@oznet.ksu.edu (Freddie Lamm)
Subject: RE: rodents, tobacco, reply from F. Lamm
LAMM COMMENTS IN CAPITAL LETTERS
> 1-Some distributors there are claiming that some kinds of tapes are more =
> susceptible than others, to rodents attack. I had never heard anything =
> like that, still if for any reason this would be true please let me know =
> the rational behind it. I remember there was a long discussion on =
> rodents and how to address them not long ago. If anyone could remind the =
> approximate dates I could go back to the stored files to rechecked them?
>
THIS WAS ON TRICKLE-L DURING LAST 2 WEEKS OF FEBRUARY.
I BELIEVE RICHARD MEAD HAS SUMMARIZED THIS ON HIS WEBSITE?
RICHARD, IS THS CORRECT???
> 3-Does anyone out there has any experience with drip management in =
> tobacco. I know from an experience in Costa Rica 5 years ago that the =
> impact was good, but at that time we could not justify it economically. =
> Other people has mentioned to me that they have had problems bringing =
> the leaves to a maturity. Any feedback is appreciated.
ILAN BAR FROM NETAFIM GAVE PAPER AT 5TH INTERNATIONAL MICROIRRIGATION CONGRESS,
APRIL 2-6, 1995, ORLANDO FLORIDA, PAGES 645-650 IN PROCEEDINGS
AVAILABLE FROM ASAE.
FREDDIE LAMM
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sun May 5 12:54 EDT 1996
Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 11:45:15 -0500
Message-Id: <199605051645.AA20473@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 490
Contents:
gopher info archives (rmead@CyberGate.COM (Richard Mead))
Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 14:54:30 GMT
From: rmead@CyberGate.COM (Richard Mead)
Subject: gopher info archives
Regarding the recent posting:
1-Some distributors there are claiming that some kinds of tapes are more =
>> susceptible than others, to rodents attack. I had never heard anything =
>> like that, still if for any reason this would be true please let me know =
>> the rational behind it. I remember there was a long discussion on =
>> rodents and how to address them not long ago. If anyone could remind the =
>> approximate dates I could go back to the stored files to rechecked them?
>>
>
>THIS WAS ON TRICKLE-L DURING LAST 2 WEEKS OF FEBRUARY.
>I BELIEVE RICHARD MEAD HAS SUMMARIZED THIS ON HIS WEBSITE?
>RICHARD, IS THS CORRECT???
>
Yes, the specific web site address is http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead/goph.html
If you do not have web access, let me know and I'll cut and paste this
information
and send it to you via email.
Thanks for your interest!
Richard Mead
Trickle-L and MIF owner/manager
http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Mon May 6 12:55 EDT 1996
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 11:46:16 -0500
Message-Id: <199605061646.AA15575@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 491
Contents:
Fe clogging (henri@ilink.nis.za)
Fwd: IWM Training material (MSorren175@aol.com)
Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 22:45:29 GMT
From: henri@ilink.nis.za
Subject: Fe clogging
What is the most appropriate method of reducing clogging of
drippers by iron rich ( 3.5m/l ) borehole irrigation water?
Jean Piaget/
Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 18:37:18 -0400
From: MSorren175@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: IWM Training material
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Forwarded message:
Subj: IWM Training material
Date: 96-05-05 18:28:52 EDT
From: MSorren175
To: IRRIGATION-L@vm.gmd.de
I 'm working with a team of NRCS water management engineers and specialists
to design and develop National Irrigation training for NRCS employees. We
are developing training materials for the following irrigation
catagories:Soil-water-plant relationships; Irrigation system planning;
Irrigation system design; Water measurement; Irrigation scheduling; Soil
moisture measurement; IWM Plan; and Irrigation system evaluation.
We plan to use lesson plans with videos and slide presentations. I'm looking
for prepared training material within these categories, especially up to
date videos and visual aids. Please let me know what may be available,
including ordering information and associated costs.
Anything on chemigation/fertigation; trickle design and evaluation; and
irrigation scheduling would be very helpful, as we are lacking in these
catagories.
Thank you VERY MUCH!!
PS.. If there are videos that we could view, our group is meeting in Fort
Worth, TX May 13-17. Please send to: USDA,NRCS, Don Holley, Employee
Development Specialist, NECD, 501 Felix St., PO Box 6567, Fort Worth, TX,
76115-0567 .
E-mail: dholley@ftw.nrcs.usda.gov
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Tue May 7 13:04 EDT 1996
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:50:12 -0500
Message-Id: <199605071650.AA28901@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 492
Contents:
Re: Fe clogging (sjordan@seldon.terminus.com (Steve Jordan))
SoWaCS list goes Majordomo ("Bruce Metelerkamp" <BRUCE@mailgate.icfrnet.unp.ac.za>)
Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 22:43:04 -0700
From: sjordan@seldon.terminus.com (Steve Jordan)
Subject: Re: Fe clogging
>What is the most appropriate method of reducing clogging of
>drippers by iron rich ( 3.5m/l ) borehole irrigation water?
>Jean Piaget/
The book says either
oxidate by storage (reservior) for 12 to 24 hours
chlorinate to oxidate and filter residue
acidize to 4.0
OR use polymer (polymoleirc acid or phosphonate)
Which is best? Depends....
Steve Jordan @ Second Foundation
Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 13:50:53 +200
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Subject: SoWaCS list goes Majordomo
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed May 8 13:16 EDT 1996
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:59:49 -0500
Message-Id: <199605081659.AA10737@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 493
Contents:
irrigation frequency (YOSSI INGBER <100320.3653@CompuServe.COM>)
Re: SDI herbicide impregnated emitters (txgator@ct.net (Jim Brigham))
Date: 08 May 96 00:07:58 EDT
From: YOSSI INGBER <100320.3653@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: irrigation frequency
A few cycles a day method requires short start-up time of each cycle ,
the CNL dripper by NETAFIM ( Compensated Non Leakage ) answers that
requirement . The internal mechanism shuts - off the outlet when the pressure
drops , thus leaving the pipes full of water at the cycle end .
Yossi Ingber
Engineering and Technical Support
Netafim-Magal
ISRAEL
Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 09:45:22
From: txgator@ct.net (Jim Brigham)
Subject: Re: SDI herbicide impregnated emitters
In article Hector Valenzuela <hector@hawaii.edu> writes:
>Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 15:38:23 -0500
>Reply-To: <trickle-l@unl.edu>
>From: Hector Valenzuela <hector@hawaii.edu>
>Subject: SDI herbicide impregnated emitters
>Could someone refer me to suppliers which provide herbicide impregnated
>emitter SDI systems? Thank-you. Hector.
>Hector Valenzuela
>Vegetable Extension Specialist
>Horticulture, University of Hawaii at Manoa
>hector@hawaii.edu
>http://agrss.sherman.hawaii.edu/hort/
Whoile herbicide impregnated emitters are manufactured, Gowan chemical has
recently acquired EPA labels for injection of their product, Trifluralin-5,
for the purpose of root intrusion control in SDI systems. You may check with
your local chemical distributor.
>
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Fri May 10 01:22 EDT 1996
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 00:11:46 -0500
Message-Id: <199605100511.AA04370@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 494
Contents:
Re: TRICKLE-L digest 491 (TPiatkowsk@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 01:16:57 -0400
From: TPiatkowsk@aol.com
Subject: Re: TRICKLE-L digest 491
Fe CLOGGING
OUR COMPANY IS ENGAGED IN THE TRANSFER OF SOME VERY INTERESTING TECHNOLOGY
FROM THE COMMERCIAL WATER TREATMENT INDUSTRY TO AGRICULTURE.
ONE SUCH FORMULATION HAS SHOWN THE ABILITY TO COMBAT THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED
WITH IRON IN THE WATER AND IRON RELATED BACTERIA.
IN CALIFORNIA WE ARE EXPERIENCING SUCCESS MAINTAINING DRIP SYSTEMS IN THE
PRESENCE OF HIGH LEVELS OF IRON WITHOUT THE NECESSITY TO USE RESERVOIRS TO
REMOVE THE IRON.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION PLEASE EMAIL.
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sat May 11 01:22 EDT 1996
Date: Sat, 11 May 1996 00:11:51 -0500
Message-Id: <199605110511.AA00212@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 495
Contents:
Acid injection ("Jerry Neufeld" <jneufeld@fs.scs.unr.edu>)
Re: TRICKLE-L digest 491 ("James W. Troutt" <jtroutt@mail.orion.org>)
Date: Fri, 10 May 96 09:30:39 PST
From: "Jerry Neufeld" <jneufeld@fs.scs.unr.edu>
Subject: Acid injection
Can anyone reccomend a positive displacement injection pump capable of
injecting sulfuric acid into a SDI system? I need to inject roughly 3
oz. per minute into a 60 psi line.
Jerry Neufeld
jerry@scs.unr.edu
(702) 635-6656
Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 15:01:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: "James W. Troutt" <jtroutt@mail.orion.org>
Subject: Re: TRICKLE-L digest 491
i need more information about removing iron from well water
as we hav here in the Ozarks.
jwt
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Mon May 13 03:17 EDT 1996
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 02:05:42 -0500
Message-Id: <199605130705.AA05935@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 497
Contents:
Re: TRICKLE-L digest 495 (TPiatkowsk@aol.com)
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 03:07:54 -0400
From: TPiatkowsk@aol.com
Subject: Re: TRICKLE-L digest 495
With regard to Fe in the water.
Enclosed is a brief description of how we approach the problems associated
with both the presence of Fe and Fe related bacteria as they occur within a
drip systems. It must be recognized that if iron is present in the source
water at levels > .2 ppm, there exists the potential for problems. By
applying an approach used within the commercial water treatment industry, one
can manage Fe problems without the need for reservoirs.
It is recognized that Fe and the related bacteria cannot be totally
eliminated from the source water. However, it is our experience that under
most conditions, one can efficiently manage and avoid problems. By
analyzing the source water one can determine the Fe level and the quality of
the source water. Observations of the well, generally, will indicate if iron
is a problem .
It is important to consider the overall function of the irrigation system.
Factors such as gypsum injection and fertigation can influence the occurrence
of problems. After collecting this information the following procedure is
followed:
We are assuming the following for this example: There is Fe in the source
water at 1ppm and the water has a total hardness of 450 ppm (asCaCO3).
Evidence of the presence of Fe slime is present. Keeping in mind, each
situation is different.
The well should be chemically cleaned to kill the bacteria present in the
well casing and remove built up scale. Recognizing that the source of the
bacteria may very well be the aquifer itself, one cannot expect to sterilize
the well. But, by removing the scale within the casing, primarily within the
tidal portions exposed to air during draw down, the habitat is greatly
reduced for the bacteria and in cases where well output was restricted due to
excessive scale buildup, flow from the well can be improved. This cleaning
can be accomplished with a combination of chemicals that are formulated to be
both metal and environmentally safe.
Once the well has been cleaned, the focus moves to cleaning the drip tape and
system from the previous exposure to Fe and slime forming bacteria. It is
recommended and most economical to address this problem with conventional
acid washes and flushing. The pH should be lowered to between 3-4 to
effectively clean. Caution to prolonged exposure to metal valves etc. should
be exercised.
The next step is to treat the water as it discharges from the pump or booster
prior to it entering the filter station. By looking at the water analysis it
is possible to determine the rate of injection required to maintain a clean
running system. We use a phosphonate based product that is approved for use
with drinking water at levels generally 2-4 times our injection levels. The
product has been formulated to address the problems associated with bio-films
and slime. It is injected into the system at maintenance levels between .8
and 2 ppm. (in California), is affordable and eliminates the need for
chlorine and acid.
It is our experience that by injecting upstream of the filter station the
treated water will clean the filters and screens of previously deposited Fe
and biological contamination. This is not a fast process but it is constant.
The properties of phosphonates are properly suited for this application. They
are powerful and used at very low levels. They are not pH dependent. Their
action is one reflecting thresh hold chemistry and effective activity can be
maintained throughout the complete irrigation system. As Ca regulators,
treatment of the water can enhance the effectiveness of gypsum injections and
fertigation. Problems are most commonly observed when Fe is in the source
water, hardness is at least marginal and the system is equipped with
fertigation and gypsum injection equipment.
Fe, problems can be aggregated by other factors. It has also been observed
when drip systems are installed on wells sized and equipped to handle larger
outputs than required for the drip system, Fe problems can develop.
This approach to problem does not replace the need to properly flush lines.
When servicing existing or old systems, flushing may be required more
frequently for the initial phases of treatment. These are practices unique to
each situation and should be dealt with accordingly.
The well cleaning and installation of the water treatment injection system
can be accomplished within two to three days.
I hope information has been of value. If you require further detail please
e-mail me your address and information will be sent .
Ag H2O
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Tue May 14 03:18 EDT 1996
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 02:06:17 -0500
Message-Id: <199605140706.AA00686@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 498
Contents:
Unsubscribe (Michael Orfanedes <morfaned@cce.cornell.edu>)
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:47:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Orfanedes <morfaned@cce.cornell.edu>
Subject: Unsubscribe
Unsubscribe trickle-L michael orfanedes
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed May 15 03:18 EDT 1996
Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 02:06:35 -0500
Message-Id: <199605150706.AA28446@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 499
Contents:
New member's intro (Richard Mead <rmead@asrr.arsusda.gov>)
Re: Unsubscribe (Paco Rodriguez <pacoro19@us.net>)
How much water? (Richard Anderson <71203.3075@CompuServe.COM>)
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 10:39:21 -0400
From: Richard Mead <rmead@asrr.arsusda.gov>
Subject: New member's intro
Another new member, Jean E.H. Piaget from South Africa has sent the following.
Welcome Jean!
1) Briefly, what is your affiliation with trickle/drip irrigation?
>I was the first soil scientist in South Africa to advocate and introduce
>the newly developed Micro-Jets to local fruit farmers in the late sixties.
>From 1967 I was the specialist irrigation adviser in the Dept. of Agriculture
>During that time I introduced into SA the planting of vines under
>plastic sheeting, the use of gypsum for soil amelioration, the chlorination
>of micro & drip lines and the use of tensiometers for sheduling purposes.
> I somehow also became National President of the SA Irrigation Institute.
>Since my retirement late 1993 I have stayed in the irrigation field as
>" Piaget Consultancy " working from home.
2) What crops or plants do you use drip irrigation on?
>"local" meaning in the Western Cape producing export apples, pears,
>apricots, plums citrus and table grapes. Export by air or by ships from
>Cape Town, mainly to Europe but also to the USA , Canada & Far East.
3) If using subsurface drip irrigation, what is the average depth of
placement of the drip lateral?
>Most fruit producers use micro sprinklers as drip is usually not
>suitable on our soils* but new developments in the drip field are catching on.
7) Do you have water quality problems? If so, how do you tackle the situation?
>What problems with drip and water ? We have them all!!!but not the
>solutions, some of which I still hope to find in your pages & list.
10) Are you pleased with the uniformity of your system or systems? Were they
designed correctly?
>Correct design is based on norms set up by the Irrigation Institute in
>cooperation with the Directorate of Agr. Engineering of the Dept of Agric.
11) How did you find out about our mailing list?
>I recently became cyberfied, accessed the www and naturally looked for
>"micro irrigation " which ultimately led me to your page.
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* Jean, does this mean low infiltration soils or other problems?
R. Mead
Trickle-L & MIF owner/manager
http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead
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Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 15:34:21 -0400
From: Paco Rodriguez <pacoro19@us.net>
Subject: Re: Unsubscribe
Unsubscribe
Date: 15 May 96 02:06:06 EDT
From: Richard Anderson <71203.3075@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: How much water?
I am planning a drip system for a small apple orchard planted on M9 rootstock.
Located on San Juan Island, Washington State, Our summers are dry, warm in the
70-80s. In my research, I found several formulas for calculating daily water
requirements, and am interested is understanding which one to use for planning.
A guide published by Raintree suggests a formula that looks like this:
.4893 * D2 * PF * ETO
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EF
Where .4893 is a conversion factor
D2 is trees canopy diameter feet squared, used 25.
PF is plant factor, used .70 from the Raintree tables(small trees)
ETo is Evapotranspiration rate, used .20
EF is watering efficiency (decimal equivalent), used .90
This yields 1.90 gal per day for each tree.
Another formula published by Washington State University in a irrigation short
course (Tree Fruit Irrigation, 1994) looks like this;
ETo
.623 * ----- * D2
EF
and yields 3.46 gallons per day when I plug in the Eto, canopy area and
efficiency rate used in the first formula.
Which is correct? Am I applying these formulas correctly? being an beginner at
this, I would appreciate any help, from experienced hands and field knowledge.
Richard Anderson, Westcott Bay Orchards
End of Digest
>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Thu May 16 08:52 EDT 1996
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 07:41:25 -0500
Message-Id: <199605161241.AA28535@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 500
Contents:
Returned message (funt.1@osu.edu (Richard Funt))
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 07:23:21 -0500
From: funt.1@osu.edu (Richard Funt)
Subject: Returned message
Richard,
Yesterday , I tried to send a message to Mr. Anderson and the
message was returned indicating I was not a part of tricle-l and had to
subscribe. I had a similar problem of receiving duplicate message several
months ago. The problem lies in that I have two addresses - one for the
university and with the college. I believe that yesterdays problem occurred
with the university address. How do I send my message and how do I keep one
address?
Thanks
Dick Funt
End of Digest
>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Fri May 17 08:53 EDT 1996
Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 07:41:55 -0500
Message-Id: <199605171241.AA10605@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 501
Contents:
Re: Returned message (funt.1@osu.edu (Richard Funt))
Re: Acid injection (OSU Malheur Experiment Station <mesosu@primenet.com>)
Re: Returned message (Richard Mead <rmead@asrr.arsusda.gov>)
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 09:38:27 -0500
From: funt.1@osu.edu (Richard Funt)
Subject: Re: Returned message
> Richard,
> Yesterday , I tried to send a message to Mr. Anderson and the
>message was returned indicating I was not a part of tricle-l and had to
>subscribe. I had a similar problem of receiving duplicate message several
>months ago. The problem lies in that I have two addresses - one for the
>university and with the college. I believe that yesterdays problem occurred
>with the university address. How do I send my message and how do I keep one
>address?
> Thanks
> Dick Funt
>
>
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 07:56:59 -0600
From: OSU Malheur Experiment Station <mesosu@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Acid injection
Jerry Neufeld wrote:
>
>
>
> Can anyone reccomend a positive displacement injection pump capable of
> injecting sulfuric acid into a SDI system? I need to inject roughly 3
> oz. per minute into a 60 psi line.
>
>
> Jerry Neufeld
> jerry@scs.unr.edu
> (702) 635-6656
> Check Ozawa R and D, Ontario, OR (541)-889-3644
Clint
Dr, Clinton C. Shock
Malheur Experiment Station, OSU
595 Onion Ave.
Ontario, OR 97914
(541) 889-7057
http://www.primenet.com/`mesosu/
Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 17:10:50 -0400
From: Richard Mead <rmead@asrr.arsusda.gov>
Subject: Re: Returned message
Dear Dick,
Sorry you are having problems..I have you down as subscribed
at >FUNT@AGVAX2.AG.OHIO-STATE.EDU<
Did you use this address when sending your message?
I can resubscribe you to whatever address you want.
Get back to me..I really can't do anything until
I understand which address is screwing up.
Richard Mead
Trickle-L owner/manager
At 09:46 AM 5/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>> Richard,
>> Yesterday , I tried to send a message to Mr. Anderson and the
>>message was returned indicating I was not a part of tricle-l and had to
>>subscribe. I had a similar problem of receiving duplicate message several
>>months ago. The problem lies in that I have two addresses - one for the
>>university and with the college. I believe that yesterdays problem occurred
>>with the university address. How do I send my message and how do I keep one
>>address?
>> Thanks
>> Dick Funt
>>
>>
>
>
>
End of Digest
>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sat May 18 08:53 EDT 1996
Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 07:42:09 -0500
Message-Id: <199605181242.AA02444@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 502
Contents:
Typo (Richard Anderson <71203.3075@CompuServe.COM>)
Date: 17 May 96 11:30:45 EDT
From: Richard Anderson <71203.3075@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Typo
>Who's Raintree?
I was referring to a booklet "Drip Watering Made Easy" Published by RainDrip
Inc, not Raintree, sorry for the typo.
Rich Anderson, Westcott Bay Orchards
End of Digest
>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Mon May 20 21:43 EDT 1996
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 20:31:53 -0500
Message-Id: <199605210131.AA08515@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 503
Contents:
TRICKLE-L digest 494 - Reply (thomson.tony@wpo.pi.sa.gov.au)
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 10:58:33 +0930
From: thomson.tony@wpo.pi.sa.gov.au
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 494 - Reply
I am interested in any information to combat iron problems in drip irrigation
systems
Regards
Tony Thomson
thomson.tony@pi.sa.gov.au
End of Digest
>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Tue May 21 21:56 EDT 1996
Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 20:31:59 -0500
Message-Id: <199605220131.AA02996@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 504
Contents:
Re: TRICKLE-L digest 494 - Reply (sjordan@seldon.terminus.com (Steve Jordan))
Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 22:40:07 -0700
From: sjordan@seldon.terminus.com (Steve Jordan)
Subject: Re: TRICKLE-L digest 494 - Reply
>I am interested in any information to combat iron problems in drip irrigation
>systems
>Regards
I use CH20's product Sure Flow at 1 to 1.5 PPM. It makes it tolerable. I
tried Linemaster and gave up. They are different chemistry, but are applied
the same way.
You have choices: settling pond / reservior (needs 12 - 24 hours). drop pH
to 4.0 (mostly uneconomic) treat well to stop iron (never seen it done)
Steve Jordan @ Second Foundation
End of Digest
>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed May 22 21:43 EDT 1996
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 20:32:19 -0500
Message-Id: <199605230132.AA24488@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 505
Contents:
Neutrone probe access tubes (1.5") ("M. Meron" <MERON@migal.co.il>)
Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:42:44 GMT+0200
From: "M. Meron" <MERON@migal.co.il>
Subject: Neutrone probe access tubes (1.5")
We need about 50 pc. of 1.5-2.0m long, 1.5" inner diameter, Aluminum access
tube for a neutrone probe.
Will appreciate any good advise.
M.Meron
=========================================================================
MIGAL Galilee Technology Center Crop Ecology Laboratory
Kiryat Shmona PO Box 90 000 Rosh Pina 12 100 ISRAEL
Phone +972-6-953559 Fax: +972-6-944980 Email: MERON@migal.co.il
=========================================================================
End of Digest
>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Fri May 24 01:41 EDT 1996
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 00:30:04 -0500
Message-Id: <199605240530.AA19364@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 506
Contents:
Re: TRICKLE-L digest 503 (TPiatkowsk@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 01:10:21 -0400
From: TPiatkowsk@aol.com
Subject: Re: TRICKLE-L digest 503
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Tom Piatkowski
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sat May 25 01:41 EDT 1996
Date: Sat, 25 May 1996 00:30:30 -0500
Message-Id: <199605250530.AA09173@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 507
Contents:
Re: TRICKLE-L digest 503 (TPiatkowsk@aol.com)
Re: Acid injection (Dripigate@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 01:47:51 -0400
From: TPiatkowsk@aol.com
Subject: Re: TRICKLE-L digest 503
In response to your inquiry. (Excuse me for the first attempt to respond.)
Tom Piatkowski
Enclosed is a brief description of how we approach the problems associated
with both the presence of Fe and Fe related bacteria as they occur within a
drip systems. It must be recognized that if iron is present in the source
water at levels > .2 ppm, there exists the potential for problems. By
applying an approach used within the commercial water treatment industry, one
can manage Fe problems without the need for reservoirs.
It is recognized that Fe and the related bacteria cannot be totally
eliminated from the source water. However, it is our experience that under
most conditions, one can efficiently manage and avoid problems. By
analyzing the source water one can determine the Fe level and the quality of
the source water. Observations of the well, generally, will indicate if iron
is a problem .
It is important to consider the overall function of the irrigation system.
Factors such as gypsum injection and fertigation can influence the occurrence
of problems. After collecting this information the following procedure is
followed:
We are assuming the following for this example: There is Fe in the source
water at 1ppm and the water has a total hardness of 450 ppm (asCaCO3).
Evidence of the presence of Fe slime is present. Keeping in mind, each
situation is different.
The well should be chemically cleaned to kill the bacteria present in the
well casing and remove built up scale. Recognizing that the source of the
bacteria may very well be the aquifer itself, one cannot expect to sterilize
the well. But, by removing the scale within the casing, primarily within the
tidal portions exposed to air during draw down, the habitat is greatly
reduced for the bacteria and in cases where well output was restricted due to
excessive scale buildup, flow from the well can be improved. This cleaning
can be accomplished with a combination of chemicals that are formulated to be
both metal and environmentally safe.
Once the well has been cleaned, the focus moves to cleaning the drip tape and
system from the previous exposure to Fe and slime forming bacteria. It is
recommended and most economical to address this problem with conventional
acid washes and flushing. The pH should be lowered to between 3-4 to
effectively clean. Caution to prolonged exposure to metal valves etc. should
be exercised.
The next step is to treat the water as it discharges from the pump or booster
prior to it entering the filter station. By looking at the water analysis it
is possible to determine the rate of injection required to maintain a clean
running system. We use a phosphonate based product that is approved for use
with drinking water at levels generally 2-4 times our injection levels. The
product has been formulated to address the problems associated with bio-films
and slime. It is injected into the system at maintenance levels between .8
and 2 ppm. (in California), is affordable and eliminates the need for
chlorine and acid.
It is our experience that by injecting upstream of the filter station the
treated water will clean the filters and screens of previously deposited Fe
and biological contamination. This is not a fast process but it is constant.
The properties of phosphonates are properly suited for this application. They
are powerful and used at very low levels. They are not pH dependent. Their
action is one reflecting thresh hold chemistry and effective activity can be
maintained throughout the complete irrigation system. As Ca regulators,
treatment of the water can enhance the effectiveness of gypsum injections and
fertigation. Problems are most commonly observed when Fe is in the source
water, hardness is at least marginal and the system is equipped with
fertigation and gypsum injection equipment.
Fe, problems can be aggregated by other factors. It has also been observed
when drip systems are installed on wells sized and equipped to handle larger
outputs than required for the drip system, Fe problems can develop.
This approach to problem does not replace the need to properly flush lines.
When servicing existing or old systems, flushing may be required more
frequently for the initial phases of treatment. These are practices unique to
each situation and should be dealt with accordingly.
The well cleaning and installation of the water treatment injection system
can be accomplished within two to three days.
I hope information has been of value. If you require further detail please
e-mail me your address and information will be sent .
Ag H2O
Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 10:59:31 -0400
From: Dripigate@aol.com
Subject: Re: Acid injection
Contact Injection Systems Inc. at 916-221-0396. D. James Gonske for fine
equipent, Fax 916-221-0397
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Mon May 27 00:04 EDT 1996
Date: Sun, 26 May 1996 22:51:57 -0500
Message-Id: <199605270351.AA29519@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 508
Contents:
TRICKLE-L digest 507 - Reply (thomson.tony@wpo.pi.sa.gov.au)
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 13:19:54 +0930
From: thomson.tony@wpo.pi.sa.gov.au
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 507 - Reply
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Tue May 28 00:04 EDT 1996
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 22:52:41 -0500
Message-Id: <199605280352.AA12117@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 509
Contents:
Why Microirrigation?? (rmead@CyberGate.COM (Richard Mead))
Why micro (evan@griffith.dwr.csiro.au (Evan Christen))
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 23:47:16 GMT
From: rmead@CyberGate.COM (Richard Mead)
Subject: Why Microirrigation??
Why Microirrigation?
I know the topic sounds rather common and mediocre, but I thought I'd toss out
a few items to get some discussion going again and to confirm my own mental
database as to the pros and cons of using microirrigation.
With the increased pressure from society, ranging from the political,
environmental and economic, growers/farmers are often criticized for just
about any choice of technology they use. The crucial input of their
decisions most always stems from the bottom line of financial stability. A
recent issue in California Agriculture magazine (vol 50, #2) had a very
good article as to why growers choose certain types of irrigation systems.
Without regurgitating the whole article, the three main points of the
article were the following:
1) As the cost of water increases, there is heavier reliance on
low-volume/microirrigation systems.
2) Land characteristics such as slope of fields and very coarse soils also
orient individuals towards the use of microirigation.
3) Perennial crops prevail over annual crops in lands with microirrigation use.
The reasons above confirm why some growers on the westside of the San
Joaquin valley flood irrigate with 1600 meter runs (1 mile), applying 1.3
cubic meters/sec (45 cu. ft/sec) at 150 mm (6 inches) per shot. The water
is cheap, the land is flat, the soil holds water fairly well and row crops
dominate the region.
Despite knowing the emerging trends in microirrigation such as using
subsurface drip in alfalfa and possibly other perennial forage crops,
implementing drip in poplar tree plantations in the Pacific northwest
(USA), and the filtragation of effluent waters in Israel and some parts of
the U.S., can anybody contribute more reasons why someone should use
microirrigation? You landscapers please contribute also!!
At a later time, we can discuss the negative aspsects of microirrigation.
>From there we can also discuss, dream or argue as to how to reduce the
negatives or eliminate them completely.
Richard Mead
Soil Scientist
Water Management Research Laboratory/ARS/USDA
Trickle-L owner/manager
http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead
Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 19:05:00 -0500
From: evan@griffith.dwr.csiro.au (Evan Christen)
Subject: Why micro
POSITIVELY
It also reduces supply costs due to lower volumes
e.g. An open supply channel is leaking so badly it requires complete
reconstruction; estimated cost A$500 000. The water supply authority
Murrumbidgee Irrigation(MI) persuaded the 14 farms (each about 20ha) along
the channel to change to micro en masse providing a piped supply and pump
for each farm at cost of about A$300 000
Benefits = reduced supply losses and improved on farm water use
NEGATIVELY
Most irrigation schemes supply water in open channels on a roster system or
2-3 day order system, volumes supplied are large. This makes it difficult
for micro needing small volumes of water almost daily at peak periods.
EITHER This necessitates a dam, which can be very expensive depending on the
volume required and the soil types (often light soils for micro) may need
lining.
OR a micro system designed to apply large volumes quickly (surrohate flood)
v. expensive and negates a lot of benefits of micro.
This is one of the main impediments to change to micro in our area. Once the
majority of farms are micro then this will be less of a problem but at the
moment micro is only 15-20% of the area. Any ideas??
Regards
Evan
Dr Evan Christen
Irrigation and Drainage Management for Horticulture
CSIRO Division of Water Resources
Griffith Laboratory
Griffith
NSW 2680
Australia
Tel # 61 69 601586
Fax # 61 69 601600
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Wed May 29 00:05 EDT 1996
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 22:53:35 -0500
Message-Id: <199605290353.AA12279@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 510
Contents:
Re: Why Microirrigation?? (Dean Lanyon <lanyond@salty.agvic.gov.au>)
Fe in water (Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>)
Re: Why Microirrigation?? ("Jeffrey L. Jones" <jljones@earthlink.net>)
Re: Why micro (PHLASH79@aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 14:16:39 +0000
From: Dean Lanyon <lanyond@salty.agvic.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Why Microirrigation??
Recently I have been involved in the development of soil management
systems that maintain a better soil structure to increase yields in
horticultural crops. As we are all well aware microirrigation allows
a greater control over the amount, rate, and timing of water
replenishment to the soil, however, the added bonus in
microirrigation is that the water can be applied slowly which reduces
the rate of change of soil structure to a less hospitable environment
for root growth.
Trees grown on a Red-brown earth in Australia have responded to a
reduction in soil structural problems which has partly been achieved
by microirrigation through mini-sprinklers. In essence the slower the
rate of wetting of the soil the slower the change in soil structure
from the original loose, soft state.
This raises the question of the soil structural changes that occur
directly under the drippers and the benifit of subsurface irrigation
which can take advantage of capillary rise (soil wet in tension are
more resilient to soil structure change). If anyone has further
comments to this I would be most interested.
Dean Lanyon
Dean Lanyon
c/o ISIA, Tatura
ph. +61 58 335 323
fax. +61 58 335 299
mobile 0419 535 852
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:02:09 GMT
From: Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>
Subject: Fe in water
Hi Tom! Your brief description of how you approach Fe problems received on
5/13/96 and 5/24/96 appreciated.
However answers to the following questions are still outstanding:
1) What is the combination of chemicals formulated for cleaning?
2) What acid used for flushing?
3) What phosphonate based products approved for use?
4) What are their properties?
5) Who manufactures them? are they exported to South Africa? who is our
importer and distributor?
Greetings, Jean/
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 06:32:05 -0700
From: "Jeffrey L. Jones" <jljones@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Why Microirrigation??
A topic I love! You asked for landscapers to contribute also. My
specialty is landscape irrigation. A significant advantage to
micro irrigation is that weeds are diminished. By placing the water at
or near the root zone, you eliminate the need for spraying the entire
area. We are seeing success in the subsurface area in turf applications
as well.
There is still major resistance from the landscape industry to drip use
in ornamental plantings, old habits die hard. The main area of
resistance comes from the older, not necessarily wiser, landscape
contractors stuck in their 'spray ways'.
The Green Industry makes up a huge portion of California's economic
base. Pressure comes from all sides to be water conscious. Urban water
use may be a small part of CA developed water, but the spotlight shines
bright at times. Drip/micro irrigation is important to the water/energy
conserving environment.
Jeffrey Jones
Bay Irrigation & Turf Supply Inc.
Richard Mead wrote:
>
> Why Microirrigation?
>
> I know the topic sounds rather common and mediocre, but I thought I'd toss out
> a few items to get some discussion going again and to confirm my own mental
> database as to the pros and cons of using microirrigation.
>
> With the increased pressure from society, ranging from the political,
> environmental and economic, growers/farmers are often criticized for just
> about any choice of technology they use. The crucial input of their
> decisions most always stems from the bottom line of financial stability. A
> recent issue in California Agriculture magazine (vol 50, #2) had a very
> good article as to why growers choose certain types of irrigation systems.
> Without regurgitating the whole article, the three main points of the
> article were the following:
>
> 1) As the cost of water increases, there is heavier reliance on
> low-volume/microirrigation systems.
>
> 2) Land characteristics such as slope of fields and very coarse soils also
> orient individuals towards the use of microirigation.
>
> 3) Perennial crops prevail over annual crops in lands with microirrigation use.
>
> The reasons above confirm why some growers on the westside of the San
> Joaquin valley flood irrigate with 1600 meter runs (1 mile), applying 1.3
> cubic meters/sec (45 cu. ft/sec) at 150 mm (6 inches) per shot. The water
> is cheap, the land is flat, the soil holds water fairly well and row crops
> dominate the region.
>
> Despite knowing the emerging trends in microirrigation such as using
> subsurface drip in alfalfa and possibly other perennial forage crops,
> implementing drip in poplar tree plantations in the Pacific northwest
> (USA), and the filtragation of effluent waters in Israel and some parts of
> the U.S., can anybody contribute more reasons why someone should use
> microirrigation? You landscapers please contribute also!!
>
> At a later time, we can discuss the negative aspsects of microirrigation.
> >From there we can also discuss, dream or argue as to how to reduce the
> negatives or eliminate them completely.
>
> Richard Mead
> Soil Scientist
> Water Management Research Laboratory/ARS/USDA
> Trickle-L owner/manager
> http://www.cybergate.com/~rmead
Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 12:22:27 -0400
From: PHLASH79@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why micro
Dear Sir,
I read your note with interest. You are looking at the obstacles instead of
the goal. I spent considerable time in Australia. I am quite familar with
the privitization and the huge investment the Federal Government is making in
upgrading the irrigation delivery systems of those districts choosing to
remove themselves from the public dole. Many such examples of mechanization
and subsequent automation of the water delivery system can be seen right in
your backyard. Deniliquin, Wakool, Burdekin River have all taken huge steps
towards automation. We even automated one of your drops. When your growers
look at the return on investment and the need for on demand irrigation to
fully maximize their growth potential --then and only then can you get away
from the concept of using the soil as a reservoir. When you go to subsurface
drip and on farm automation you will have the tool to provide the feedback
you need to schedule water releases and deliveries on a district wide basis.
In most cases you would only have to deliver between 5 and 10 millimeters of
water per hectare--a small fraction of the water delivered and applied
currently by most of your flood irrigated farms. It is only then that the
irrigation districts will realize how inefficient they really are. We have
one district here in California, the South San Joaquin Irrrigation District
which automated their main canal. The save an average of 50000 acre feet
annually. I know you deal in megaliters but the rough translation is about
16000 megaliters. They turned around and sold the resulting water back to
the our Bureau of Reclamation for $50/acre-ft to mitigate some environmental
requirements which paid back their investment in less than 2 years. Their
system is similar in size and they have a large number of nuts and tree
fruit growers. One other point--all the work that my father has recently
accomplished points out two very important facts. One that real time
automation of subsurface drips dramatically increases yield and quality. Two
that water you would think you save due to prevention of evaporation loss can
be utilized by the plant in the form of higher transpiration rates resulting
in yield improvements upwards of 40 to 50 % on nuts. However as in the case
of your recent droughts you could grow a normal crop on significantly less
water than a similary irrigated surface system. A win-win situation for most
growers.
Best Regards,
Jim Phene
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Thu May 30 00:05 EDT 1996
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 22:53:43 -0500
Message-Id: <199605300353.AA14316@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 511
Contents:
Re: Fe in water (sjordan@seldon.terminus.com (Steve Jordan))
installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado (agAccess@davis.com)
Re: Why Microirrigation?? (LodiCraig@aol.com)
Re: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado (GroAire@aol.com)
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 03:11:41 -0700
From: sjordan@seldon.terminus.com (Steve Jordan)
Subject: Re: Fe in water
>However answers to the following questions are still outstanding:
>2) What acid used for flushing?
Here you need to be careful. The IRB (Iron related bacteria) may be and
often are associated with other biology. You may make an estimate of amount
of acid and underestimate. Also, there are bacteria and certain formation
relatively imune to acid. HACH company sells BART tests that should be done
before and after treatment. There are cheap quick tests for Fe in the water.
You should also consider the low tech way to precipitate the Fe. If you can
settle for 12 to 24 hours that should work. Of course, that adds other
complexities. I decided on the treatment rather than the reservoir. The
reserviors is more fool proof. What happens if the chemical runs dry or the
pump does not work?
Steve Jordan @ Second Foundation
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 16:39:03 -0700
From: agAccess@davis.com
Subject: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado
Dear Trickle-L,
A friend in Colorado has asked me to locate info on how to design a
drip irrigration system for his 2.5 market garden in Colorado. What kind
of resources are out there to help design and utilize drip irrigation for
different vegetable crops?
Thanks,
Nathan Boone
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 22:47:13 -0400
From: LodiCraig@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why Microirrigation??
Contrary to findings in other locals, micro-irrigation has not appeared to
reduce our total water use, and in fact has facilitated using more. This is
because with our crop ... grapes ... over irrigation is more detrimental than
under. By evening out our distribution and delivering the water more
steadily, we have produced healthier vineyards that infact consume more total
water than before.
Energy consumption is higher for us as we lift the water 35' (10 meters),
then pressurize another 70' (20 meters) for even distrubution. Before drip,
we distributed the water with only the 35' of lift.
On the other hand, we do use less water per unit of production (ton of
grapes), and slightly more pumping energy. Ofcourse, production efficiency
is what really counts. This means that with drip, the same demand can be met
using fewer acres of precious land. Micro-irrigation saves water in the end,
and saves many other precious resources as well.
Using S.D.I., we have managed known soil pest infestation economically with
no soil pesticides besides the miniscule amount of Treflan impregnated in the
hose. Our fertilizer use is down, but our fertilizer expenditures are about
the same as we use higher grade materials. Fertilizer application costs are
infantesimal now.
I now view water management as a more or less steady state and continous
process ... I'm shifting the water status by changing the application rate
... not 'giving them an irrigation'.
By having smaller wetted zones we have much more control over the water
status of the grapevines, and thus in greater control the crop quality. Its
easier to screw up too, with less margin for error.
Access to the field is much less restricted. We used to apply pesticide
applications on a preventative basic just because we knew we had no ground
access for the next 12 days. Now we wait until pest counts are approaching
economic levels ... instead of guessing they 'might' and spraying. I know
this has save us numerous pesticide applications.
In interestingly enough, we have had much lower pest pressure.
Sincerely,
Craig Thompson, Lodi, CA
Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 22:50:37 -0400
From: GroAire@aol.com
Subject: Re: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado
I am a design engineer for drip irrigation in Colorado and have installed
p[lots from 900 square feet to 50 acres in size. I also incorporate
subsurface aeration of the root zone by using the subsurface irrigation
systems that I design. We handle all mil thicknesses and spacings that would
be rerquired in Colorado. The soils vary widely and usually require an
inspection to determine the correct outlet spacing and lateral spacing. I
have also been engineering irrigation pumps for projects for 25 years. I have
the endorsements ranging from the Sierra Club to the Natural Resource
Conservation Service. I am currently designing systems in Wisconsin,
Nebraska, New Mexico, Arizona, North Dakota, Colorado and Wyoming. I do not
charge anything for my design engineering and only ask that my clients
purchase their equipment from me.
Dave Enyeart
GroAire Irrigation Inc.
Thornton, Colorado
303-650-0472
Groaire@aol.com
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Fri May 31 00:06 EDT 1996
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:54:27 -0500
Message-Id: <199605310354.AA10324@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 512
Contents:
Re: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado (flowers@Rt66.com (wilderness flowers))
Re: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado (flowers@Rt66.com (wilderness flowers))
Re: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado (agAccess@davis.com)
Re: Fe in water (Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>)
Re: Why Microirrigation?? (Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>)
drip-trickle-micro (Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>)
Resource Utilization (sstyles@oboe.aix.calpoly.edu (Stuart W. Styles))
Pecan nut & Quandong crop factors (lipman.ashley@wpo.pi.sa.gov.au)
Date: Wed, 29 May 96 23:10:05 MDT
From: flowers@Rt66.com (wilderness flowers)
Subject: Re: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado
>Dear>Nathan Boone
>
> A friend in Colorado has asked me to locate info on how to design a
>drip irrigration system for his 2.5 market garden in Colorado. What kind
>of resources are out there to help design and utilize drip irrigation for
>different vegetable crops?
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Nathan Boone
>
>
>
>
Martin Connaughton
Wilderness Flowers
Flowers@rt66.com
Rt 19 Box 111-D
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 988 3096
Date: Wed, 29 May 96 23:12:33 MDT
From: flowers@Rt66.com (wilderness flowers)
Subject: Re: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado
>Dear Trickle-L,
re
>
> A friend in Colorado has asked me to locate info on how to design a
>drip irrigration system for his 2.5 market garden in Colorado. What kind
>of resources are out there to help design and utilize drip irrigation for
>different vegetable crops?
>
>
TRY TALKING WITH DAVE ENYEART OF GROAIRE AT groaire@aol.com
his buried drip system seems like a winner we will bw installing it on 5 ac
in nm this fall
Martin
>
>
>Nathan Boone
>
>
>
>
Martin Connaughton
Wilderness Flowers
Flowers@rt66.com
Rt 19 Box 111-D
Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 988 3096
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:34:52 -0700
From: agAccess@davis.com
Subject: Re: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado
Thanks Martin,
DAVE ENYEART actually responded to my request as well, & I'll be
contacting him...
Thanks again,
Nathan Boone
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 20:50:09 GMT
From: Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>
Subject: Re: Fe in water
>>However answers to the following questions are still outstanding:
>
>>2) What acid used for flushing?
>
>Here you need to be careful.
>
HACH company sells BART tests that should be done
>before and after treatment. There are cheap quick tests for Fe in the water.
>
Steve Jordan @ Second Foundation
>
>Hey you Guys ! We do'nt all live in the USA , so please do not use acronyms
unnecessarily and when referring to manufacturers how about adding addresses
etc.
>Just hoping. Jean
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 20:50:11 GMT
From: Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>
Subject: Re: Why Microirrigation??
At 06:40 PM 5/27/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Why Microirrigation?
>
>Common! Mediocre? In 1980, yes nineteen eighty! I wrote an article titled
"10 years of microjetting " for the Deciduous Fruit Grower journal. Here
are a few exerpts :
"Just over ten years ago, the first large scale installation of a microjet
irrigation system took place in the Cape. Not without trepidation to be
sure! So many aspects of the new system were still unknown then-- and
pessimism abounded."
As am example we were thought to be crazy to go and leave black PVC pipes
out in the African sun.
" The laterals are still in place as sound as the day they were laid "
" Microjetting is setting the pace " in the fruit & grapevine industry.
" The past ten years have seen microjet systems become firmly entrenched "
HOWEVER ::: The correct : hydraulic design, choice of emitter wetting
pattern, size of wetted surface, working pressure, distance between emitters
and position relative to tree or vine stems, and naturally scheduling to
physiological requirements, are of the utmost importance. OK so not that easy!
Yet most of our growers in the Western Cape are still to-day using
micro-sprinklers. NB" Microjet" is a patended
word which we may not use anymore as a generic term. So we use Micro-sprinkler
instead. Their loss! Jean/
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:52:34 GMT
From: Jean Piaget <henri@ilink.nis.za>
Subject: drip-trickle-micro
Hi! You Guys! I have just been reading my mail and am all at sea as I cannot
make out exactly what systems you are discussing. If a drip is a drip and a
micro a micro-sprinkler then what is a trickle ? How about being more
specific?
Who is to know whether you are referring to single or double drip lines,
0.5 or 1.5m spacings, 2, 4 or6 l/h delivery, what micro-sprikler type and
make, scheduling system used, etc. All these permutations affect the results
obtained. So lets have clarity and transparency at all times please. Jean/
Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:36:56 -0700
From: sstyles@oboe.aix.calpoly.edu (Stuart W. Styles)
Subject: Resource Utilization
On Wed, 29 May 1996 21:37:38 -0500
LodiCraig@aol.com wrote-
>Energy consumption is higher for us as we lift the water 35' (10 meters),
>then pressurize another 70' (20 meters) for even distrubution. Before drip,
>we distributed the water with only the 35' of lift.
>On the other hand, we do use less water per unit of production (ton of
>grapes), and slightly more pumping energy. Of course, production efficiency
>is what really counts. This means that with drip, the same demand can be met
>using fewer acres of precious land. Micro-irrigation saves water in the end,
>and saves many other precious resources as well.
****************************
Comments from Stuart Styles:
With respect to the energy use, we did some work last year that looked at
the overall energy picture for drip irrigation on 2 commercial pepper
fields. While the energy use was higher, the energy use per unit of
production was lower. We included components of energy use such as pumping
energy, the energy to manufacture the drip products, and the energy to
manufacture the fertilizer. The following is a brief summary of the
project.
*Evaluation of Subsurface Drip Irrigation on Peppers
As part of a California Energy Commission (CEC) low interest loan program,
the Irrigation Training and Research Center (ITRC) at Cal Poly - San Luis
Obispo provided technical assistance to the CEC in the review of
applications. Once applications were approved, technical assistance was
then provided to the growers participating in the program. In addition,
the ITRC also documented changes in resources before and after
implementation of the new systems. The main idea was to help accelerate
the learning curve for other growers who might be interested in trying the
new technology.
The results indicated that for drip irrigation, it is possible to have the
similar amounts of applied water plus a higher pumping bill (depends on
previous practices). It is also possible (with good management) to achieve
improved yields for crops such as peppers. Our study indicated that for
subsurface drip irrigation on peppers there was a significant improvement
of resource utilization.
The following are some the definitions, results and conclusions of our
evaluation. This project was funded by the CEC and the lead person was Dr.
Charles Burt at the Cal Poly ITRC.
*Definitions:
Water Use Efficiency = Reported Yields (Tons per acre)
-------------------------------
Applied Water Use (AF per acre)
Energy Use Efficiency = Reported Yields (Tons per acre)
--------------------------------
Total Energy Use (MBtu per acre)
*Results:
Grower 1 (Gilroy, California, USA)
----------------------------------
Water and Energy Use Efficiencies
Before Buried Drip and After Buried Drip
94-95 Average
Item Before CEC After CEC
Project Project % Change
---------- --------- --------
Water Use (Acre-feet/acre) 2.4 1.9 -20
Energy Use (MBtu/acre) 18.3 19.3 6
Yield (Tons/acre) 20.0 26.0 30
Water Use Efficiency (Tons/AF) 8.5 13.8 63
Energy Use Efficiency (Tons/MBtu) 1.1 1.3 23
Grower 2 (Oxnard, California, USA)
----------------------------------
93-95 Average
Item Before CEC After CEC
Project Project % Change
---------- --------- --------
Water Use (Acre-feet/acre) 2.7 2.6 -4
Energy Use (MBtu/acre) 21.16 26.0 23
Yield (Tons/acre) 18.0 24.7 37
Water Use Efficiency (Tons/AF) 6.7 9.5 42
Energy Use Efficiency (Tons/MBtu) 0.85 0.95 12
*Conclusions:
- These growers used the CEC low-interest program to get into drip
irrigation.
- Peppers have an excellent yield response to drip irrigation.
- The growers needed a two to three year learning curve to solve basic
problems. They continually adapt to new challenges by trying
different approaches to management and hardware.
- The nature of problems will change from year to year.
- The energy used per unit yield decreased.
- The volume of water required per unit yield decreased.
- Fertilizer application accounts for a significant amount of the total
input energy for Peppers (over 30%) due to the energy required to
manufacture N-based fertilizers.
- Fertilizer application rates remained relatively constant. This is the
area for greatest future reduction in energy use, by gradually using
less fertilizers.
- Both growers are expanding the amount of drip irrigation systems on
their farms.
______________________________________________________________________________
Stuart W. Styles - PE Phone (805)756-2429
Irrigation Training and Research Center FAX (805)756-2433
Cal Poly State University - Ag Engr Dept Email: sstyles@oboe.aix.calpoly.edu
San Luis Obispo CA 93407 http://www.calpoly.edu/~ae/itrc.html
______________________________________________________________________________
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:24:54 +0930
From: lipman.ashley@wpo.pi.sa.gov.au
Subject: Pecan nut & Quandong crop factors
Dear All,
Does anyone have some crop factors for Class A Pan Evaporation data for
Pecan Nuts and Quandongs grown under drip irrigation. If so I would be most
grateful if you could pass them on.
Regards,
Ashley Lipman
Irrigated Crop Management Service
Box 411 Loxton SA 5333
Australia
ph +61 85 959 138
fax +61 85 959 180
e-mail lipman.ashley@pi.sa.gov.au
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>From root@crcnis1.unl.edu Sat Jun 1 00:06 EDT 1996
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 22:54:46 -0500
Message-Id: <199606010354.AA02393@crcnis1.unl.edu>
Subject: TRICKLE-L digest 513
Contents:
Re: subirrigation of apple trees (Clare Prestwich <vcprest@magiclink.com>)
Re: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado (Dale Larington <dlaringt@esu16.esu16.k12.ne.us>)
SDI For Field Corn (FLamm@oznet.ksu.edu (Freddie Lamm))
Re: SELF PROPELLED IRRIGATION UNITS (Mario Conte <conte@ghirada.it>)
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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:43:14 -0600
From: Clare Prestwich <vcprest@magiclink.com>
Subject: Re: subirrigation of apple trees
At 06:55 PM 5/30/96 -0500, you wrote:
Dear All,
Has anyone had experince growing apples or other fruits with drip tape or
other subirrigation methods? My experience is limited to mirco-sprays. Any
information would be welcome. Thanks.
Clare Prestwich
Twin Falls, Idaho
USA
Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 06:19:22 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dale Larington <dlaringt@esu16.esu16.k12.ne.us>
Subject: Re: installing drip on 2.5 acres in Colorado
Hello, I'm a farmer in Nebraska looking into possibly up dating
my irrigation system for corn. Is there any information on subirrigation
in large fields of corn and beans. Can anyone tell me if there is any
subirrigation of these crops and where can they be observed. Also who
manufactures and sells these systems.
Thanks
South Platte Public Schools
6th Grade
dlaringt@esu16.esu16.k12.ne.us
Date: 31 May 96 08:00:10 CDT
From: FLamm@oznet.ksu.edu (Freddie Lamm)
Subject: SDI For Field Corn
A NEBRASKA FARMER WROTE:
> Hello, I'm a farmer in Nebraska looking into possibly up dating
> my irrigation system for corn. Is there any information on subirrigation
> in large fields of corn and beans. Can anyone tell me if there is any
> subirrigation of these crops and where can they be observed. Also who
> manufactures and sells these systems.
> Thanks
> South Platte Public Schools
> 6th Grade
> dlaringt@esu16.esu16.k12.ne.us
>
>
FREDDIE LAMM RESPONDED:
WE HAVE CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE WITH SDI ON FIELD CORN AT KANSAS
STATE UNIVERSITY. I CAN SEND YOU SOME INFO IF YOU WILL SEND A
POSTAL MAILING ADDRESS. OUR FIELD SITES ARE IN NORTHWEST KANSAS
(COLBY, WHERE I AM LOCATED) AND IN SOUTHWEST KANSAS (GARDEN CITY).
WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A TOUR AT COLBY IN EARLY AUGUST, BUT VISITS CAN
BE ARRANGED AT OTHER TIMES.
FREDDIE
*
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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 17:37:31 +0200
From: Mario Conte <conte@ghirada.it>
Subject: Re: SELF PROPELLED IRRIGATION UNITS
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Dear Sirs,
can you help us to find buyers-resellers for this manufactured?
thank you
dr. Mario Conte
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Dear Sirs, we hope in your interest about following manufactured, made in
Veneto, North Est Italy.
We thank you for mail reply.
We are looking for buyers-retailers interested, to get in touch with
the manufacturer.
Best Regards,
dr. Mario Conte
conte@ghirada.it
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