Subject: GLOWBUGS digest 495

From: [email-masked]
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:39:21 GMT

GLOWBUGS Digest 495

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: 40M qrg
	by Doug <[email-masked]>
  2) E-Mail address change.
	by [email-masked] (Richard  H. Arland)
  3) 40m QRG
	by BOB DUCKWORTH <[email-masked]>
  4) 40M QRG
	by Conard Murray <[email-masked]>
  5) RE: 40 meter QRG
	by Sandy W5TVW <[email-masked]>
  6) New Free Glowbugs site open for business
	by Conard Murray <[email-masked]>
  7) Squeeze them out!!!
	by Glenn Finerman <[email-masked]>
  8) Re: Squeeze them out!!!
	by [email-masked] (Tom R. Rice)
  9) Re: Squeeze them out!!!
	by Conard Murray <[email-masked]>
 10) Re: Squeeze them out!!!
	by [email-masked] (Forrest B. Snyder Jr)
 11) Re: 30 meters
	by Dave <[email-masked]>
 12) re: Squeeze them out!!!
	by Glenn Finerman <[email-masked]>
 13) Re: Squeeze them out!!!
	by [email-masked] (michael silva)
 14) Re: Squeeze them out!!!
	by Steve Ellington <[email-masked]>
 15) Re: Squeeze them out!!!
	by "Adam, KD6POC" <[email-masked]>
 16) 30M QRG + 40M QRO
	by [email-masked]
 17) What exactly is new band plan?
	by Dave <[email-masked]>
 18) Re: 30M QRG + 40M QRO
	by Steve Ellington <[email-masked]>

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Date: Wed, 02 Apr 1997 20:47:18 -0700
From: Doug <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: 40M qrg
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Hi Bry....a good choice I'd say...but, consider this thought.  Any ops
near the low end of the General band will fall victim to the high power
guys who are attempting to work DX between 7025 and 7030.  I know the 
pickin's are slim and I'm willing to go about anywhere we can, but not
sure 7027 is a good plan.  I just cant see us enjoying much about the
Qrm when we're running low power to start with.

Just an idea for consideration by the group......keep me informed
where we're gonna be.

73

Doug, K7YD
Livingston, MT

Brian Carling (G3XLQ/AF4K) wrote:
> 
> I think I will add a 7027 rock to my order with N0ACS.
> 
> What say ye, Glowbuggites???
> 
> On  2 Apr 97 at 14:38, Conard Murray spoke about 40M qrg and said:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > Jan has suggested 7025 as a possible QRG for the GB crowd. While
> > that is probably too close to the extra class subband, I think 7027
> > would be a good spot if we want to stay in the general subband.
> > Rocks for that QRG would double and triple nicely also.  Any
> > comments? 73, Conard WS4S
> >  Conard Murray  WS4S    Glowbugs listowner      [email-masked] 217
> >  Dyer Avenue     Cookeville, TN  38501      615-526-4093     Member
> >  Arizona ScQRPions  QRP-L #993  Friend to anything TCS or GRC-19
> >                   <><  Wise men still seek Him  ><>
> >  WIMPS: Qs=000 30m=0 17m=0 12m=0 States=00/00/00
> >
> >
> ********************************************************
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> **  E-mail to:  [email-masked]                         *
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:20:40 EST
From: [email-masked] (Richard  H. Arland)
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: E-Mail address change.
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Hi Conard:

Is it possible for you to change over my e-mail account on glowbugs to my
new e-mail address?

My new address is: [email-masked]

Old address is: [email-masked]

If not, I'll go ahead and unsbuscribe as k7yha and resubscribe as K7SZ.

Tnx.,

rich K7SZ

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 08:04:14 +0100
From: BOB DUCKWORTH <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: 40m QRG
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

How about a Novice band qrg?
It's not total bedlam up there.
Might attract some additional GB participation.

-bob
wb4mnf

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 07:42:43 -0600
From: Conard Murray <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: 40M QRG
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Hi everyone,
I think we have discovered that there is not an unoccupied spot on 40. It is
fairly well utilized by somebody somewhere all the time. 
To include the European guys, we need to stick to the low part of the band
while allowing the General class guys to take part. That leaves 7030 and
down thus my 7027 slot. 
A novice QRG would leave the DX guys out. We could try and double our 3579
QRG to 7159 and put up with the SSB/AMBC qrm. 
An extra class QRG would reduce the qrm significantly at the expense of
limiting participation somewhat if not giving an incentive to upgrade.
I just don't think we have the luxury of picking a spot on 40 and having a
reasonable guarantee that it will be clear when we want to use it. The best
I think we can hope for is to declare a subband (say 7025-7035) and go from
there. 
Activity can center around a specific QRG, but operators had better be
prepared to QSY some.
We also need to think about doubling to 20 and maybe tripling to 15 if there
is ever any more sunspots. Too bad lightning doesn't enhance HF propagation!
73 all,
Conard
 Conard Murray  WS4S    Glowbugs listowner      [email-masked]
 217 Dyer Avenue     Cookeville, TN  38501      615-526-4093     
 Member Arizona ScQRPions  QRP-L #993  Friend to anything TCS or GRC-19
                  <><  Wise men still seek Him  ><>      
 WIMPS: Qs=000 30m=0 17m=0 12m=0 States=00/00/00

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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:19:24 +0000
From: Sandy W5TVW <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], [email-masked]
Subject: RE: 40 meter QRG
Message-ID: <19970403151914.AAC14515@LOCALNAME>

Hello gang,

        Looked at 7027 tonight and that was very busy (0100-0200Z).  Settled
down again on 7045 and established QSO with W5FRS Dennis.  Very good
signals.  Channel not nearly as busy.  No spanish SSB.  No "digital".
        Will followup with report on both channels tomorrow night.  I can
monitor both at the same time.
       { Stay tuned.
}
73,
E. V. Sandy Blaize, W5TVW
"Boat Anchors collected, restored, repaired, traded and used!"
417 Ridgewood Drive,
Metairie, LA., 70001
[email-masked]
**Looking for:  860 tubes, WL-460 tubes**
**Butternut HF2V antenna, G-R test gear.....................***

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 10:28:06 -0600
From: Conard Murray <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked]
Subject: New Free Glowbugs site open for business
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Hello All,
I have gotten permission from Bob, NA4G,  to open the floodgates to the new
GB server. If all goes as planned, we will be moving again shortly, but we
will move the subscriber list over to the new machine.
To subscribe, send a one-line message to:

[email-masked]

and put this in the body, making sure to fill in the appropriate spaces:

subscribe glowbugs (myname) (mycall)

and you will be approved shortly.

Many thanks to all who have offered server space and to the beta-testers and
especially to Bob and Bob for getting the software and hardware going.
73,
de Conard WS4S

 Conard Murray  WS4S    Glowbugs listowner      [email-masked]
 217 Dyer Avenue     Cookeville, TN  38501      615-526-4093     
 Member Arizona ScQRPions  QRP-L #993  Friend to anything TCS or GRC-19
                  <><  Wise men still seek Him  ><>      
 WIMPS: Qs=000 30m=0 17m=0 12m=0 States=00/00/00

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 14:47:39 -0500
From: Glenn Finerman <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Squeeze them out!!!
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

This really ticks me off!!, It seems that year after year CW operators
are being squeezed further and further down the band!

re>You may expect QRM from european phone stations all the way
>down to 7040. 7030 is the established QRP QRG as you say. 7035,
>7040 and 7045 are very difficult to use. 7090 to 7100 requires a very
>good RX since there is a S9+60 BC station at 7105.

Is there some rule that says CW stations have to yield to phone
stations? Last I remember, FCC says CW is allowed wherever your
license allows you to go.
I don't mind QSY'ing anywhere to make contacts across the pond,
but I won't be intimidated into moving by some worthless "band plan".
The band plan says 7000 - 7035, CW only??? That means as an
Advanced class license holder I have a whopping 10kc for my
favorite mode of operation? Sorry, but I vote to continue to use
7050. Good receiver, decent filter, you can QSO right on top of phone
or packet QRM. Continued and increased activity is the key to holding on
to these freq's.

(flame off) sorry for the spout..

73.........Glenn  N2BJG     [email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 12:00:56 -0800 (PST)
From: [email-masked] (Tom R. Rice)
To: [email-masked]
Cc: [email-masked] (glowbugs)
Subject: Re: Squeeze them out!!!
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> I don't mind QSY'ing anywhere to make contacts across the pond,
> but I won't be intimidated into moving by some worthless "band plan".

> Continued and increased activity is the key to holding on
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> to these freq's.

	Hear, Hear!  Remember when 40 meters was CW only?
	Let's return to those thrilling days of yesteryear! 
	Mebbe it's my intransigent nature, but I've intentionally
	sold off all the sand-state/SSB-including rigs and will
	only do hamming on CW and AM henceforth.  

	You gotta cultivate an attitude..........

	73 de WB6BYH    		
	
-- 
"Start off every day with a smile and get it over with."  --W.C.Fields
Tom R. Rice  
[email-masked]     
CIS: 71160,1122       

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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 14:14:03 -0600
From: Conard Murray <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked], Multiple recipients of list <[email-masked]>
Subject: Re: Squeeze them out!!!
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

At 07:46 PM 4/3/97 +0000, Glenn Finerman wrote:
>This really ticks me off!!, It seems that year after year CW operators
>are being squeezed further and further down the band!
>
>
Maybe we need to run more A2 and spark!
Conard
 Conard Murray  WS4S    Glowbugs listowner      [email-masked]
 217 Dyer Avenue     Cookeville, TN  38501      615-526-4093     
 Member Arizona ScQRPions  QRP-L #993  Friend to anything TCS or GRC-19
                  <><  Wise men still seek Him  ><>      
 WIMPS: Qs=000 30m=0 17m=0 12m=0 States=00/00/00

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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 15:40:45 -0500
From: [email-masked] (Forrest B. Snyder Jr)
To: [email-masked] (Tom R. Rice), [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Squeeze them out!!!
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Tom wrote:

>>	Hear, Hear!  Remember when 40 meters was CW only?
>>	Let's return to those thrilling days of yesteryear! 

Hey, 30 meters is still CW only, and low power CW at that.  Might be a nice
band to build for.  Haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that I could even
load up the Adventurer on 30 if I had the right crystal.  Anybody interested
in a 30 M BA/GB QRG?

Forrest Snyder
N4UTY
BC-348	Johnson Adventurer
Center-fed 40 M Zepp
"Sure, it's 1936 technology, but it's good 1936 technology."

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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 15:03:05 -0600 (CST)
From: Dave <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: 30 meters
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

At 08:41 PM 4/3/97 GMT, you wrote:
>Tom wrote:
>
>>>	Hear, Hear!  Remember when 40 meters was CW only?
>>>	Let's return to those thrilling days of yesteryear! 
>
>Hey, 30 meters is still CW only, and low power CW at that.  Might be a nice
>band to build for.  Haven't tried it yet, but I'll bet that I could even
>load up the Adventurer on 30 if I had the right crystal.  Anybody interested
>in a 30 M BA/GB QRG?

Forrest,

Are you sure it's CW only?  I thought it was 'all digital modes'.
Seems to me I hear RTTY there on occasion.  Either way, even if
it is 'digital ready', no one is there yet "CQ'ing with the
receiver speaker turned off" with their TNC like on the 40m subband.

GREAT band! NO, zero, zip, nada QRM from off shore sources!  No California
Kilowatts!  No ducks quacking 2 KC off!  Great hangout for us diehard CW
fans.

I just crystalled my Drake R4B for the band, plus have a 30 meter GB rig
on the bench (housed in a defunct Tempo One).

You bet! I'd love to get a GB/BA thing going on the band.  Others?

Dave WB7AWK
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 16:20:12 -0500
From: Glenn Finerman <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: re: Squeeze them out!!!
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

I think Tom has the right idea!!, My feelings exactly!!

re>Hear, Hear!  Remember when 40 meters was CW only?
>let's return to those thrilling days of yesteryear! 
>Mebbe it's my intransigent nature, but I've intentionally
>sold off all the sand-state/SSB-including rigs and will
>only do hamming on CW and AM henceforth. 

Yea, I think it's time for me to get working on that big class C amp,
and the 2 half waves in phase antenna project to blow some
"smoke & fire" out of New York State! ......Packet? what packet?!!
I like QRP, but I think it's time for some QRO!!!!

73.........Glenn  N2BJG     [email-masked]

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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 16:00:07 -0600 (CST)
From: [email-masked] (michael silva)
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Squeeze them out!!!
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Conard wrote: 
>
>At 07:46 PM 4/3/97 +0000, Glenn Finerman wrote:
>>This really ticks me off!!, It seems that year after year CW 
>>operators are being squeezed further and further down the band!
>>
>Maybe we need to run more A2 and spark!
>Conard

Or the Hartley guys could really take off the gloves and ... tight 
couple!

But seriously, I agree that we're being squeezed relentlessly...

73,
Mike, KK6GM

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Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 16:56:40 -0800
From: Steve Ellington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Squeeze them out!!!
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Anybody interested
> in a 30 M BA/GB QRG?

This is a good thought. 30 meters was created for this kind of activity.
No contest and very little ssb. This summer it will be a great band
especially in the evenings. It's a bit dead right now after sundown.
Around 10.115 to 10.120 seem to be the best frequencies. At the low end
is a lot of dx hunters and at the high end is a bunch of high power
commercial stuff. 

Steve N4LQ
> "Sure, it's 1936 technology, but it's good 1936 technology."

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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 06:53:14 -0800 (PST)
From: "Adam, KD6POC" <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: Squeeze them out!!!
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Glenn, I am with you! We shall hold to the last cycle in our privileges!
The only way to prevent the foreigners from QRMing us is to stand our
ground and use what the FCC gave us. We shall not let some country in
another ITU zone push us around! 

If we want to use our frequencies we need to stand up and take them!

The other weapon we have is to use higher power. We need to make them stand
up and take notice. Like my letter that I wrote to the editor of QST,
(March 1997, Page 24) Why not put out the best signal that you can? As
Teddy Roosevelt said, "speak softly and carry a big stick".

ZUT from 7000 to 7300!

Adam

Adam McLaughlin KD6POC
QRG: 7037 Kcs
[email-masked]
http://www.jps.net/jmclaugh
"If the front end isn't crunching, then the signal is not strong enough!"

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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 97 17:23:51 CST
From: [email-masked]
To: [email-masked]
Subject: 30M QRG + 40M QRO
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Glowbuggers!

I think we should have a regular 30M QRG, for those able to get onto
30M. In these here southern lattitudes 30M in the early evenings is
much better than 40M during the summer season. I've been on 30 a bit,
but never worked anyone that used other than modern rigs. 30M would
be the natural place for homebrew and grinding our own rocks maybe.

Squeeze, blast, or whatever, I support defending our little segment of
spectrum. Technically, I don't know how much impact CW QRM has on SSB.
 Has anyone here ever been QRM'd by CW while on SSB? I'd sure
like to find a way to defend against those SSB contesters working split
7050-out, 7289-in, as well as those just ragchewing from 7000 through
7065.  Would a high power, well directed CW signal encourage them to
QSY or would I just be pounding my own brass ???

Dennis
W5FRS

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Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 17:49:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Dave <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: What exactly is new band plan?
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

Hi all...

Forgive my ingnorance, but I don't usually read all the gobbledeegoop in QST
with all the in-house political ramblings, so I perhaps have missed this
great new band plan change.  I assume it is an ARRL thing, of course.  What
is the change?  When did it go into effect?   I know I still run CW in 
all the 'old places' with no trouble,
other than inconsiderate Packet types who apparently call CQ and hunt replies
without ever actually LISTENING to the band first.  Seems 7040 is a very
popular 'digital' frequency these days.  Weird to me to have a QSO without
ever turning the speaker up. (What exactly does 'QRL?' sound like at 300 baud?)

Again, sorry to sound so dumb about it.  I didn't know the band plan had
even changed from what it was.

Any info appreciated,

Dave WB7AWK

Like the slogan of the 70's - "Use it or lose it".  I favor the QRO approach.
Be big and bold and let the world know that CW people still are breathing,
and possibly even multiplying!
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Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 19:29:22 -0500
From: Steve Ellington <[email-masked]>
To: [email-masked]
Subject: Re: 30M QRG + 40M QRO
Message-ID: <[email-masked]>

> Squeeze, blast, or whatever, I support defending our little segment of
> spectrum. Technically, I don't know how much impact CW QRM has on SSB.
>  Has anyone here ever been QRM'd by CW while on SSB? I'd sure
> like to find a way to defend against those SSB contesters working split
> 7050-out, 7289-in, as well as those just ragchewing from 7000 through
> 7065.  Would a high power, well directed CW signal encourage them to
> QSY or would I just be pounding my own brass ???
> 

The most "effective" cw signal would be one with a wide yoooooop, slight
ac ripple modulation and running at high speed such as 50 wpm. Believe
me, that will make them move out! Slow speed, weak cw signals are hardly
noticable to SSBers. Problem here is ....you're getting away from the
concept of "glowbugs". Glowbugs are normally week little pipsqueak
signals. What we need are some {{{{{Atomic Duck Blasters}}}}}. Yes ADBs.
Perhaps something like a pair of 4-1000 tubes in Hartley form would do.
They power supply could be built cheaply since no filter capacitors
would be needed. 

Steve N4LQ

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