20070128.ba v04_n003.bam.20070128 >From ???@??? Sat Jan 27 18:08:11 2007 -0600 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 00:06:08 GMT From: Old Tube Radios To: Old Tube Radios Subject: BOATANCHORS digest 4003 Message-Id: <20070128000610.666E73183DC@srvr1.theporch.com> BOATANCHORS Digest 4003 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: truncated messages by Henry van Cleef 2) Re: truncated messages by "William Donzelli" 3) Re: truncated messages by Robert Nickels 4) RE: truncated messages by "Rodger" 5) Re: truncated messages by john 6) Re: truncated messages by W7QHO@aol.com 7) Tek troubles by "Eric Jones" 8) Re: truncated messages by "Arden Allen" 9) Re: HTML by "Arden Allen" 10) Folks, it's a hobby! by "Herbert M. Rosenthal" 11) Re: truncated messages by "Eric Jones" 12) Re: Tek troubles by Scott Robinson 13) Re: truncated messages by Dan Arney 14) Re: Tek troubles by john 15) Re: Folks, it's a hobby! by "William Donzelli" 16) Re: truncated messages by Henry van Cleef 17) Re: Tek troubles by "ChasW3KC" 18) Re: truncated messages by "David Stinson" 19) RE: Tek troubles by "Rodger" 20) Re: Folks, it's a hobby! by "WA3GIN" 21) Re: truncated messages by "Arden Allen" 22) Re: Tek troubles by "Arden Allen" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Henry van Cleef Message-Id: <200701271551.HAA07465@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: truncated messages To: Old Tube Radios Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 08:51:56 -0700 (MST) Cc: boatanchors@theporch.com (Old Tube Radios), r-390@mailman.qth.net (R-390 reflector) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The esteemed Dan Arney has said: > > Some people are too lazy or attempting to show off the lack of good > manners on the reflectors by refusing to switch their email to PLAIN > TEXT ONLY . There are 2 or 3 that do it continually, which they then > waste the BW to resend it in Plain text. > The list managers should put them in the penalty box for a period of > time i.e. first time a posted warning, second time a week or 2 in the > box and third time a month and the fourth time adios baby!! > MUST BE AN EGO TRIP TO SHOW THEY CAN USE HTML AS NONE OF THE CORRECTED > MESSAGES SHOW AN ATTACHMENT OR AS A V-CARD FILE. > Hank > KN6DI/5 > Hmmph. I quite agree with you, Dan. Most of the gooey mailers have the ability to send in plain text only. E-mail and Usenet have been plain-text-only media since day one, which is long before the consumer Internet and Microsoft Windows. The people who are yelling that a mail list system doesn't work well with HTML in E-mail and then turn around and yammer about the SSB crowd stomping on their AM transmitters are really saying one thing one day and the opposite the next. All that you're seeing when a mail list doesn't like HTML is what many of your mail recipients are seeing---unreadable mail, because their system doesn't support your funny-format. Since I just happen to have a Mailman mail list installation sitting next to me on a Sun Ultra 60, and since that installation is currently supporting a couple of lists to a couple thousand users, I can comment on cleaning up the crap that gets send in E-mails. We filter the crap out of the mail, and if nothing is left, dump the mail. Most of the time, it's possible to extract a plain text message from somewhere in what's sent. The statistics are astounding. Joe Consumer Windows User sents a 2KB message. What's left after filtering is 400 bytes. There wasn't any additional meaningful information in the discarded 1600 bytes. We won't even talk about attachments (stripped), virii (stripped)---just a plain Windows mailer message. I think that Jack and Phil have done a fine job hosting this list for what?? 12-13 years? Can't really remember, except that it once ran at MIT. Mail lists in general thrive on plain text mail, just as much as CW thrives on Morse code. And all of this supposedly modern "with it" stuff like RTF, HTML, etc. doesn't work for beans with it. Site administrators who run mail lists get to deal with boatloads of spam (roughly 80% of what tries to walk in here is spam), and prime signature number one of spam is HTML-only mail. Pushing mail list users to clean up their infected Windows systems is a spare-time activity, on top of dealing with expectations that a mail list or CW radio are going to play Mahler symphonies. Hank (who is a site admin, among other things) -- Hank van Cleef (vancleef@eskimo.com, hvanclee@nyx.net) 1986 420SEL "A stranger in paradise" (Fremont Co. Wyoming) 1986 GMC 1500 6.2 diesel pickup "Seen one, seen them all" ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:31:54 -0500 From: "William Donzelli" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: truncated messages Cc: "Old Tube Radios" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > Since I just happen to have a Mailman mail list installation sitting > next to me on a Sun Ultra 60, and since that installation is currently > supporting a couple of lists to a couple thousand users, So you should know, then, how much of a NON-PROBLEM this ought to be, if only theporch would spend a very small amount of time and upgrade their reflector software with a filter. If done right - and I would think that it would be hard to do wrong, being that the mailer would be setup like just about every other mailer on the planet - nobody here would notice a change. The problem would just vanish. -- Will ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BB8103.8000303@oneradio.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:42:43 -0600 From: Robert Nickels MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: truncated messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Henry van Cleef wrote: > I think that Jack and Phil have done a fine job hosting this list for > what?? 12-13 years? > I agree, Hank. And I'm sure I speak for many of us who remember how great it was to have such a disciplined (remember the Jackattack?) technical forum with so many experts like you who were always willing to share their wisdom and expertise. For me, reading the BA list was a lot like pulling up a chair in front of a favorite Elmer's homebrew KW rig..."Sit down, son, you might just learn something!" Now we have a list for every brand of radio made, and most messages get cross-posted to half of them, often in html which as everyone agrees is just wasteful and/or lazy. I know when I really need answers I always post my question on this list first, and I always get them. And whenever I see "Henry van Cleef" on the From line, I always sit up and pay closer attention! 73, Bob W9RAN ------------------------------ From: "Rodger" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: truncated messages Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:59:33 -0600 Message-ID: <000801c74234$8684c810$4801640a@D1JXNQ31> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bob Wrote, > Now we have a list for every brand of radio made, and most messages = get > cross-posted to half of them, often in html which as everyone agrees = is > just wasteful and/or lazy. I know when I really need answers I always > post my question on this list first, and I always get them. And > whenever I see "Henry van Cleef" on the From line, I always sit up and > pay closer attention! >=20 > 73, Bob W9RAN I echo Bob's sentiments and I have over the years collected some emails = into a file since they contain information that will certainly be very = helpful to me in repair/restoration. "Henry van Cleef" is the author of many of = these saved emails-and also the reason I bought an RME-45 after reading his = notes on the unit he rebuilt. Although these lists do have some problems at times, the signal to noise ratio is still pretty good compared to many of the internet bulletin = boards. Some recent google searches have taken me to "ham" radio spots that are = just disturbing with the apparent lack of intelligence and highly anti-social behavior exhibited by posters. Of course I would rather have them = spending their time on the internet rather than causing QRM on the air. Now back to restoring my Gonset Communicator III (6 meter version) = having spent much of the morning troubleshooting my too modern furnace... Rodger WQ9E ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20070127121740.034aca90@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:18:50 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: Re: truncated messages Cc: boatanchors@theporch.com (Old Tube Radios) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:51 AM 1/27/2007, Henry van Cleef wrote: >I think that Jack and Phil have done a fine job hosting this list for >what?? 12-13 years? Can't really remember, except that it once ran at >MIT. Amen. We have a lot to be grateful for. Let no good deed go unpunished! John K5MO ------------------------------ From: W7QHO@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:34:25 EST Subject: Re: truncated messages To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_d54.c141d5.32ece721_boundary" --part1_d54.c141d5.32ece721_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm with Will on this one. (Idiot message from theporch follows) Dennis D. W7QHO Glendale, CA --part1_d54.c141d5.32ece721_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --part1_d54.c141d5.32ece721_boundary-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002101c7424d$a6cb3a00$a404b4d8@ejones> From: "Eric Jones" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Tek troubles Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:37:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit de N4TGC Eric Whenever I hear a paean to Tek scopes, I have to wonder if I live on the same planet ... my experience with them has been entirely different. But then, I've never been in a government-funded lab environment where manuals and repair parts were right at hand+ACE- I no longer accept Tek scopes - period. I can't get the proprietary parts (w/o having another space-consuming monster to salvage from), the design makes them hard to repair, and manuals+ACE- Woe+ACE- I'm not made of money+ACE- Which reminds me, A.J. Ford went belly-up afore I could get the Telequipment D53's JD vert. plug-in man. Help? I collect o'scopes, and don't have a Tek on the place. Yeah, I've had several+ADs- only managed to fix one, by the good graces of a kind soul who e-mailed me the pertinent part of the manual+ADs- the rest got scrapped out. They have peculiarities that will trip up normal beings: those idiotic deflection-plate chokes that blow apart, silver-containing ceramic tie bars, crazy zig-zag signal paths - they're nightmarish for normals (I've managed, but then, I'm not normal ...) Anything a reg'lar Hamguy can figure out how to do, a Heathkit will do way cheaper, and he can afford the manual and find repair parts if need be. I have a 3+ACI- IO-17 for example, that while rated 5 Hz to 5 mHz, easily does 18 mHz+ADs- a Tek 321 I had, while rated DC - 5 mHz, would barely reach 4.8 mHz. You say, obviously, something was wrong with it, but what?+ACE- I'd already spent way too much time replacing a broken on/off switch and cobbling together a plastic pot coupling+ADs- trying to track down a fault in that maze was way more work than the thing was worth: I barely managed to get +ACQ-35 for it at a 'fest ... and there's the last issue: unless it's quite modern, Tek scopes are essentially worthless, as the gumment, et al., bought them by the bazillion+ADs- they're large and heavy (I have two Tek carts to prove it), and just to hurt one's feelings, their footprint is wider than normal. Suffice to say, of my working scopes, I have NO teks, but two HP's, a DuMont 1062 +ACI-re-compete+ACI- (which is better than the HP 182C it copied), two RCA's, two CONAR, two Heathkits, and for display/eventual repair/sale, about a dozen other classic Heath, DuMont, Leader, and other less-known brands lurking around. No Hickok yet+ADs- any FS cheap, or FTGH? (I don't do ebay+ADs- my dial-up is too slow.) If I should not be able to run fast enough and someone foists another Tek off on me, I'll be sure and let the list know+ADs- it almost certainly won't work, and it might be a rarish model someone can use for parts ... Historically, DuMont went belly-up, not because of competition from Tek, but because the OM recognized TV as having vast potential, but did not realize it was a 'closed shop' in which he was not welcome. Laws got changed by the conspirators, and he was shut out of owning enough TV stations to gain sufficient market-share to stay alive, and his millions in investment broke him. Similarly, RCA did the same thing to other radio companies, BTW. Lavoie and Jetronic do appear to be also-rans and re-competes, as implied. But despite Stan Griffith's devotion, Teks are not nearly as good in the real world as they are made to sound ... e ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006201c7424d$77f61740$72e47443@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: truncated messages Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:47:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ......a backwards email list like this. ... Thank God for backwardness. I can't afford to live in the present! Arden Allen KB6NAX ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006101c7424d$77436910$72e47443@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: HTML Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:44:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Consider the poor spammers too. They send out all that bandwidth robbing garbage that only idiots read. It is our conscientious duty to leave them what little bandwidth is left to squeeze in that last "Can't get hard?" message... Arden Allen KB6NAX ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BBB0D0.4010203@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:06:40 -0700 From: "Herbert M. Rosenthal" MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Folks, it's a hobby! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My $.02 worth: Ragging on 'the porch' shows poor taste and a lack of appreciation for what someone has done for you, for many years, right or wrong, the way he's done it, or otherwise. In the vernacular, "If you don't want to play with my rules, take your shovel and pail and go play in another sandbox," pretty well covers it for me. Of course, you could build your own sandbox... I'll stay here, thank you. Herb W5AN Albuquerque PS Folks, it's a hobby, just a hobby. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004b01c7424f$bb8120c0$a404b4d8@ejones> From: "Eric Jones" To: Old Tube Radios Cc: "Old Tube Radios" , "R-390 reflector" Subject: Re: truncated messages Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:12:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit de N4TGC Eric I'll weigh in on the side of the vanCleef on this one - server space is dear; just a little co-operation from the list-members in turning off the HTML helps a lot. And the spam mention is a good point: I've seen spam that was a photograph of a text page! HTML on steriods ... e ------------------------------ Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:39:33 -0800 To: Old Tube Radios From: Scott Robinson Subject: Re: Tek troubles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" >Eric wrote: > >Whenever I hear a paean to Tek scopes, I have to wonder if I live on the same >planet ... my experience with them has been entirely different. But >then, I've >never been in a government-funded lab environment where manuals and >repair parts >were right at hand! > >I no longer accept Tek scopes - period. I can't get the proprietary >parts (w/o >having another space-consuming monster to salvage from), the design makes them >hard to repair, and manuals! Woe! I'm not made of money! Which reminds me, >A.J. Ford went belly-up afore I could get the Telequipment D53's JD vert. >plug-in man. Help? and Scott comments: Well, I ONLY have Tek scopes. IMHO, they work better than anything else, and they are to my eye the most beautifully built tube electronics ever made. It's true that they use special parts, but parts machines are not hard to find. My experience with them is that they generally work, and there are only a few black beauty caps in any of them that will need changing. I have the following Tek scopes: RM16 (sorry, dead CRT and it's true that 3" crt machines are scarce, but it worked fine for years; it's now a spares source for the RM16, below); 316 (non-rack version of the RM16) works fine; 2236, modern thing with sand state bits in it, has been my workhorse for about 10 years now, only repair was to change out all the 510K resistors in series with the focus control after the second one went open. I have a major space problem here, so no 500 series scopes will fit, a pity; I'd love a late 547. Peace, Scott ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BBBAD4.4080904@pacbell.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:49:24 -0600 From: Dan Arney MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios CC: Old Tube Radios , R-390 reflector Subject: Re: truncated messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I said my piece which was not aimed at the porch but at two people who do it all of the time over 95% of their stuff is HTML and by George if one of them did not pop right up and send another and make the statement that here is another idiot reply from the porch from the west coast now we await the reply from So. TX. I always await for a brilliant statement from Mr. Van Cleef, as he has a smart hammer that always strikes the nail square on the head. And as Herb says it is a HOBBY guys. From the other Hank KN6DI/5 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20070127154807.034a2a10@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:48:53 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: Re: Tek troubles Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Musta got a lemon...my 485 perks along year after year....it's the last of the analog scopes, and it's a real workhorse, though a 465 would suit me just as well. John K5MO ------------------------------ Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:59:38 -0500 From: "William Donzelli" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Folks, it's a hobby! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline > In the vernacular, "If you don't want to play with my rules, take your > shovel and pail and go play in another sandbox," pretty well covers it > for me. I think I will do that. So long... -- Will ------------------------------ From: Henry van Cleef Message-Id: <200701272115.NAA02330@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: truncated messages To: Old Tube Radios Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:15:17 -0700 (MST) Cc: boatanchors@theporch.com (Old Tube Radios) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The esteemed William Donzelli has said: > > > Since I just happen to have a Mailman mail list installation sitting > > next to me on a Sun Ultra 60, and since that installation is currently > > supporting a couple of lists to a couple thousand users, > > So you should know, then, how much of a NON-PROBLEM this ought to be, > if only theporch would spend a very small amount of time and upgrade > their reflector software with a filter. If done right - and I would > think that it would be hard to do wrong, being that the mailer would > be setup like just about every other mailer on the planet - nobody > here would notice a change. The problem would just vanish. > What I know is how much of a "non-problem" it isn't. HTML e-mail is a major problem for any mail list administrator, me included. There are several ways of dealing with it, including (and most commonly) treating it as spam and sending it to the bit bucket (/dev/null) or bouncing it back to the sender as a reject. What's the ham term for operators who refuse to clean up their operations? "Lids," as I recall. Somebody who refuses to set their GUI mailer to a mode compatible with list requirements (and these are not "reflectors" by any means) is on a par with the ham who insists on continuing to use a chirply keyer and to run with an oscillating final and expects everybody else to add filters to dodge the splatter. Let me assure you that a lot of mail is sent that is never received or never read because of incompatibilities and/or spam traps where the sender has assumed that the receiver can receive the mail. Try that with a mail list, and hundreds are going to receive unreadable spam-like mail because the sender insists that everyone conform to their demands. Jack and Phil have set up reasonable rules, and implemented them their way. It only takes a few minutes to set up a mailer to comply with them. My setups have rules as well. And, ultimately, they are no more accomodating of supposedly "modern" stuff than Jack and Phil's. The problem does not go away until and unless senders send e-mails in plain text. If you don't want to play by the rules, you live with the unpleasant side effects either way. That is, if the site admin doesn't just decide to pull the plug on the refuser. Site admins on small sites aren't running a Microsoft help desk on the side. (The local ISP's help desk is all Microsoft). Hank -- Hank van Cleef (vancleef@eskimo.com, hvanclee@nyx.net) 1986 420SEL "A stranger in paradise" (Fremont Co. Wyoming) 1986 GMC 1500 6.2 diesel pickup "Seen one, seen them all" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:19:11 -0500 From: "ChasW3KC" Subject: Re: Tek troubles To: Old Tube Radios Message-id: <004c01c74258$ca7ddd30$2f01a8c0@chas> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > >Eric wrote: >>I no longer accept Tek scopes - period. Can't say the same. I have and use this trio: 561A - nice compact vintage scope.. D54 (Telequipment) - I believe they are (or were) a U.K. branch of Tektronix. 2235 - for higher freq. work 73 Chas W3KC ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001b01c7425c$ac03c0a0$fa01fea9@Default> From: "David Stinson" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: truncated messages Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:46:57 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry van Cleef" Subject: Re: truncated messages > What I know is how much of a "non-problem" it isn't. HTML e-mail is a > major problem for any mail list administrator, me included. There are > several ways of dealing with it, including (and most commonly) > treating it as spam and sending it to the bit bucket (/dev/null) or > bouncing it back to the sender as a reject. Wouldn't that be a better solution, Hank, than sending out the "truncated" messages? Just block any post with HTML; that would force anyone who wished to stay to conform to the convention and end the problem for good. Surely, we can help each other work this out without all the acrimony. I'd hate to lose anyone on the list, especially friends, and don't think there's anything to be gained by someone huffing or calling a member "idiot." ------------------------------ From: "Rodger" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: Tek troubles Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:13:22 -0600 Message-ID: <000001c74260$5bdc5b10$4801640a@D1JXNQ31> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have to admit I have had to repair a couple of Tektronix scopes but I think it may be because I have so many of them. Currently in residence = I have a 533, 545A, 555, 556, lots of 1 and letter plug-ins and also = several of the 7000 family including a 7613 with spectrum analyzer plug-in, a = 7704A, and a 7854 which has really become my favorite bench scope. The 555 had been sitting outside in the rain for close to a year when I found it and = it only needed a few parts replaced and an alignment. I have a type 180A = time mark generator which is an excellent calibrator for all of those boat = anchor receivers that don't have built in calibrators (in addition to its = intended role in calibrating timebases). I am more concerned about parts with = the 7000 series, I have had to replace a couple of the hybrid vertical amplifiers and those aren't so easy to find anymore. =20 The worst part is working on "consumer grade" ham radios after one of my rare trips inside a Tektronix scope to do repairs; the difference in = quality of construction is rather stark. One of our family friends owns a well drilling company and after looking at the various radios and other = equipment he was most interested in the construction of the Type 555 Dual Beam = scope and how nicely it was designed and constructed. I am probably a little biased since the first piece of electronic gear I learned to work with (and on) was a Type 514AD scope when I was around 9 = or 10 years old. Rodger WQ9E ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004201c74261$8ef106d0$ae44c646@DTS2003WIRELESSNETWORKDEMO> From: "WA3GIN" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Folks, it's a hobby! Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 17:21:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HAHA, Isn't this last and final comment from you Will the pot calling the kettle black? Your rules or so long, haha. What a hoot! Better have you Doc check the blood thinner! Seems it ain't getting where it needs to get, HAHA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Donzelli" To: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Folks, it's a hobby! >> In the vernacular, "If you don't want to play with my rules, take your >> shovel and pail and go play in another sandbox," pretty well covers it >> for me. > > I think I will do that. So long... > > -- > Will ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006101c7426f$b61c4ea0$48e47443@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Cc: "Old Tube Radios" Subject: Re: truncated messages Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:54:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > ...chirply keyer.... ? Is that from a chirpy keyboard? Arden Allen KB6NAX ------------------------------ Message-ID: <006301c7426f$b7540b50$48e47443@KB6NAX> From: "Arden Allen" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Tek troubles Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:02:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +AD4- Whenever I hear a paean to Tek scopes, I have to wonder if I live on the same +AD4- planet ... What I find different about Tek scopes is their complexities produce better performing equipment. I don't like to have to guess where waveform distortions are coming from. Reliability of Tek scopes is 2nd to none but for a few goofs here and there. I must admit I've been very selective in choosing the dozen or so Teks I have, more than half I've fully restored. Perhaps I was lucky to have avoided some of the goofs. I particularly hate the stepped attenuators in the 475, that blurry-eyed wart hog that graced so many engineering benches in years past. Talk about unrepairable, you couldn't force one on me. But I sure love my sharp-eyed 453, house trailor sized 545B, and faithful litter of 503's. Gotta get a 547 and 7603 up to speed one of these days... Arden Allen KB6NAX ------------------------------ End of BOATANCHORS Digest 4003 ******************************