20070128.ba v04_n004.bam.20070128 >From ???@??? Sun Jan 28 16:24:23 2007 -0600 Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 22:23:27 GMT From: Old Tube Radios To: Old Tube Radios Subject: BOATANCHORS digest 4004 Message-Id: <20070128222330.35E343183C2@srvr1.theporch.com> BOATANCHORS Digest 4004 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Tek troubles by Henry van Cleef 2) Re: Prosigns in Use in 1912? by stuck in 50s 3) RE: truncated messages by stuck in 50s 4) Re: Prosigns in Use in 1912? by WA5CAB@cs.com 5) KPH Antenna Maintenance on YouTube by Richard Dillman 6) Re: truncated messages by Dan Arney 7) Re: KPH Antenna Maintenance on YouTube by john 8) Re: truncated messages by "Tom Rauch" 9) Posts by "Bob Kemp" 10) St James Gray? by john 11) Re: St James Gray? by "Al Parker" 12) 1937 RADIO mag. FS by john 13) truncatoria by "Marty Reynolds' debris field" 14) Re: KPH Antenna Maintenance on YouTube by Jack Harper 15) Re: KPH Antenna Maintenance on YouTube by Richard Dillman 16) Re: Tek troubles by Ben Hall 17) Classic Exchange - CX - 40M is Hoppin' ! by "Alan Fryer" 18) Re: Classic Exchange - CX - 40M is Hoppin' ! by "Al Parker" 19) Re: Classic Exchange - CX - 40M is Hoppin' ! by Richard Dillman 20) O'Scope tutorial? by "K0DAN" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Henry van Cleef Message-Id: <200701280207.SAA20191@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: Tek troubles To: Old Tube Radios Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:07:36 -0700 (MST) Cc: boatanchors@theporch.com (Old Tube Radios) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The esteemed Eric Jones has said: > > de N4TGC Eric > > Whenever I hear a paean to Tek scopes, I have to wonder if I live on the same > planet ... my experience with them has been entirely different. But then, I've > never been in a government-funded lab environment where manuals and repair parts > were right at hand+ACE- > > I no longer accept Tek scopes - period. I can't get the proprietary parts (w/o > having another space-consuming monster to salvage from), the design makes them > hard to repair, and manuals+ACE- Woe+ACE- I'm not made of money+ACE- > > I collect o'scopes, and don't have a Tek on the place. Yeah, I've had several+ADs- > If I didn't know better, I'd say you don't like Tek scopes. Would have to say that "Woe+ACE-" is about right. > Anything a reg'lar Hamguy can figure out how to do, a Heathkit will do way > cheaper, and he can afford the manual and find repair parts if need be. I have > a 3+ACI- IO-17 for example, that while rated 5 Hz to 5 mHz, easily does 18 mHz+ADs- a Heath scope vs. Tektronix? Not in my book. > Tek 321 I had, while rated DC - 5 mHz, would barely reach 4.8 mHz. You say, > obviously, something was wrong with it, but what?+ACE- I'd already spent way too > much time replacing a broken on/off switch and cobbling together a plastic pot > coupling+ADs- trying to track down a fault in that maze was way more work than the > thing was worth: I barely managed to get +ACQ-35 for it at a 'fest ... and there's > the last issue: unless it's quite modern, Tek scopes are essentially worthless, > as the gumment, et al., bought them by the bazillion+ADs- they're large and heavy (I > have two Tek carts to prove it), and just to hurt one's feelings, their > footprint is wider than normal. Couple of important low points to consider here: 1. The 321 battery-operated scope was not really "top drawer." Innovative for its time, but not "Classic Tektronix." The redesign (321A) was vastly superior. Who bought Tektronix "by the bazillions" wasn't US Gov't., except NASA. Every IBM computer installation in the late '50's and early 60's had a 545 or 545A on site. Aside from that, the 530/540 letter plug scopes were Tektronix' bread and butter, with the 547 and 545B taking over. If a company was in the electronics business, it had Tek scopes; virtually all from those two series. > > If I should not be able to run fast enough and someone foists another Tek off on > me, I'll be sure and let the list know+ADs- it almost certainly won't work, and it > might be a rarish model someone can use for parts ... > Well, I suppose that it takes a Tek specialist to get an antique Tek scope working again. But I can tell you that Stan Griffiths and I have both taken some real junkers and gotten them clean/working/calibrated without standing on our heads to do it. > Historically, DuMont went belly-up, not because of competition from Tek, but > because the OM recognized TV as having vast potential, but did not realize it > was a 'closed shop' in which he was not welcome. Laws got changed by the > conspirators, and he was shut out of owning enough TV stations to gain > sufficient market-share to stay alive, and his millions in investment broke him. Oh, really? Conspiracy you say? One can fault AB Dumont's business decisions across the board in the early fifties. But when it comes to scopes, ABD owned the market in 1954. By 1959, Tek owned the market, and ABD finally got the idea to turn Fred Katzmann loose to come up with something that might have a prayer of competing with the 545 (that was the Dumont 425). Fred was one brilliant designer, who could have run with the Tektronix design team. But Tek had a hundred, plus plant and equipment and labor pool trained and in place. There are some things in this world that are not equals. One was the Tektronix culture vs. almost any other instrument maker, in the early 1960's. > > But > despite Stan Griffith's devotion, Teks are not nearly as good in the real world > as they are made to sound ... e > Oh? Both Stan and I are, of course, highly prejudiced, since we worked for Tek in the sixties. But I don't think that the world needs either Stan or me to tout up the Tek product. Both of us had plenty of opportunity to look at the competition. I've got a few scopes that I saved from the piles I resurrected 10-15 years ago---a nice 533A with a new CRT, a 575, and a couple of 310's. Didn't take much "fixing" to get them working, and they'll probably be working 20 years from now. Hank -- Hank van Cleef (vancleef@eskimo.com, hvanclee@nyx.net) 1986 420SEL "A stranger in paradise" (Fremont Co. Wyoming) 1986 GMC 1500 6.2 diesel pickup "Seen one, seen them all" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:44:39 -0500 (EST) From: stuck in 50s Message-Id: <200701280344.l0S3idTW001885@fracas.netboobie.org> To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Prosigns in Use in 1912? these secret insider's Z-codes can be found at: http://groups.msn.com/ctoseadogs/34z34signals.msnw to this foof I respond ZPG pse ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:52:49 -0500 (EST) From: stuck in 50s Message-Id: <200701280352.l0S3qnM3001998@fracas.netboobie.org> To: Old Tube Radios Subject: RE: truncated messages

C'mon Brian, You can't say that

------------------------------ From: WA5CAB@cs.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 23:09:56 EST Subject: Re: Prosigns in Use in 1912? To: Old Tube Radios MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_c42.bae3242.32ed7c14_boundary" --part1_c42.bae3242.32ed7c14_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The full list is in NTP 8, issued to many of us. And I think that it was in DNC 8, although I can't locate my copy tonight. In a message dated 1/27/2007 9:58:10 PM Central Standard Time, polepeeg@aa4rm.ba-watch.org writes: > these secret insider's Z-codes can be found at: > > http://groups.msn.com/ctoseadogs/34z34signals.msnw > > to this foof I respond Robert Downs - Houston CWO4 USNR Ret'd (Web Store) MVPA 9480 (Primary email) (Backup email) --part1_c42.bae3242.32ed7c14_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Mail Lists at theporch.com only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --part1_c42.bae3242.32ed7c14_boundary-- ------------------------------ Message-ID: <21107126.1169958278676.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:24:38 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Richard Dillman To: Old Tube Radios Subject: KPH Antenna Maintenance on YouTube Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for all the positive response to our first YouTube video effort. With that encouragement we've posted another. In this video you'll see Sr. Transmitter Engineer Steve Hawes and I venture into the south antenna field in Service Car 50 (1958 4x4 Willys) to examine the damage to one of our antennas that came down in a recent wind storm. This video gives you some idea of the extent of the antenna field and the constant maintenance that's required to keep the antennas aloft. See the video at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_oep4r8Nf4 As always, comments and suggestions are welcome. For those not already members of our email distribution list who would like to receive notices of KSM, KPH and K6KPH operations and of new YouTube videos, just send a message to: Radiomarine-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Enjoy, RD ================================= Richard Dillman, W6AWO Maritime Radio Historical Society http://www.radiomarine.org Collector of Harleys, Willys and Radios over 100lbs. ================================= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BC6E26.6090907@pacbell.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:34:30 -0600 From: Dan Arney MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: truncated messages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hank, As I've explained to you before, there's NO WAY to turn off HTML in AOL. I'm not going to change providers for theporch's convenience and especially not for yours. So go screw yourself. Sincerely yours, Dennis D. W7QHO Glendale, CA Now Dear old Dennis is all pissed off. There are a lot of people on this list and others that use AOL for some ungodly reason that send email all of the time without HTML content. Will someone here using AOL please tell Dennis how to turn it off. In other words "RTFM". Dennis as for your last statement why don't you go take a flying F*** at a rolling donut with the hole lined with RAZOR wire. Happy truncating YOF Hank KN6DI/5 ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20070128074234.032be140@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:45:41 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: Re: KPH Antenna Maintenance on YouTube Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Great stuff Dick. Sounds like you need to keep an eye out for the muffler for Service Car 50, next trip to the field! :-) I would think it a challenge to keep anything metallic up in the air for long, that close to the ocean. Good job! John. At 11:24 PM 1/27/2007, Richard Dillman wrote: >Thanks for all the positive response to our first YouTube video >effort. With that encouragement we've posted another. > >In this video you'll see Sr. Transmitter Engineer Steve Hawes and I >venture into the south antenna field in Service Car 50 (1958 4x4 Willys) >to examine the damage to one of our antennas that came down in a recent >wind storm. > >This video gives you some idea of the extent of the antenna field and the >constant maintenance that's required to keep the antennas aloft. See the >video at: > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_oep4r8Nf4 > >As always, comments and suggestions are welcome. > >For those not already members of our email distribution list who would >like to receive notices of KSM, KPH and K6KPH operations and of new >YouTube videos, just send a message to: > >Radiomarine-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > >Enjoy, > >RD > >================================= >Richard Dillman, W6AWO >Maritime Radio Historical Society >http://www.radiomarine.org >Collector of Harleys, Willys and >Radios over 100lbs. >================================= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <004b01c742df$57396d30$650fa8c0@radioroom> From: "Tom Rauch" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: truncated messages Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:22:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What is HTML, and does AOL, RTFM and/or YOF cause it? Can you tap it on the side with the handle of a screwdiver to see if it is shorted?? Is that what people mean when they say screw yourself? Tap yourself to see if you are shorted? I'm just trying to follow the most active and spirited thread I've ever seen, but I don't understand the terms. I'd like to learn something from this thread, but it is hard to follow. Fraternally yours and thinking of old nice smelling radios and old smelling operators, Tom ------------------------------ Message-ID: <001101c742e4$542f2120$6501a8c0@radio> From: "Bob Kemp" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Posts Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 07:58:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think at best computers can be frustrating and there's many a time when I've wanted to take mine and chuck it out the window. Boatanhors is supposed to be a place to help others and hopefully we can assist one another without getting our hackles up....just because we've digressed to a computer topic...can't we keep the spirit of boatanchors in tact and help one another. Any other top on here I've not heard people talk about screws and donut holes other than if we were trying to order some from McMaster-carr or head to the bakery...so let's get back to helping each other. Bob wa0vrc ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20070128085744.032b79a0@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:59:04 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: St James Gray? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Is there anyone mixing up St. James Gray, to overspray damaged cabinets? I know about Howard Mills. John ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0a7201c742e9$bb482870$3201a8c0@w8ut> From: "Al Parker" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: St James Gray? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:36:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi JOhn, (get your chores done already?) Here's what I saved, and I've gone to Lowes & used a can of it. Was on the cabinet I sold (with R-388) at Cary in 2005. The buyer wanted the cabinet more than the R-388. 73, Al, W8UT New Bern, NC BoatAnchors appreciated here http://www.boatanchors.org http://www.hammarlund.info =================== Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:50:23 -0300 From: "David Knepper" Subject: [Collins] Saint James Gray I had Lowe's mix me a quart can of Saint James Gray for less than $9.00 The paint is their ENTERPRISE 12 Year Interior Oil Semiglosss You can thin the paint with their paint thinner. The codes are as follows: Tint Formula 101 2 Y 11/48 107 24.5 /48 113 12.5 /48 1 Quart Base 4 Give them this information and they should be able to mix you a quart. Good luck. Dave, W3ST ====================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" To: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: St James Gray? > Is there anyone mixing up St. James Gray, to overspray damaged cabinets? I > know about Howard Mills. > > John > ------------------------------ Message-Id: <6.2.1.2.2.20070128100943.032b46a0@pop-server.nc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:15:08 -0500 To: Old Tube Radios From: john Subject: 1937 RADIO mag. FS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Have some duplicates from my collection of Radio magazine for sale. First batch is 1937 issues -------------------------------------------------- Batch #1 1937 Jan/Feb/Mar/Apr/May/Jun/Jul/Nov/Dec All complete, and in average condition for 60 year old magazines. . $40 plus post ----------------------------------------------- Batch #2 Feb/Apr/Jun/Jul/Dec $27 plus postage ------------------------------------------------- Pictures available if you need them. John K5MO ------------------------------ Message-ID: <32829.66.56.28.127.1169997320.squirrel@fracas.netboobie.org> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:15:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: truncatoria From: "Marty Reynolds' debris field" To: Old Tube Radios Cc: "Old Tube Radios" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here's the hated item that was triggered by Mac's email > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED--- * > * This post contains a forbidden message format * | blah | & blah I read Mac's mail days back with jurassic bsd 4.3's "mailx.*' Plain text all the way. So you read attachments in stream with everything & pretty crude. So just opened Mac's mail with squirrel mail & then msoft's outlook Both of these later gizmos only had the 'truncated' blather but noted there was an attachment - which was just the text body So all you venemous kevetchers, just get your drawers out of a knot & read the attachment . Clearly porch's open source blather-snagger has a bug. Mac's mail hasn't any "web markup" (html) & clearly the one I sent last night did. & it passed thru. It's an imperfect world - get over it Back to the CX & the vibroplex Marty the 'rm *yes Hank VC, there's another Sun out there ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:06:08 -0700 To: Old Tube Radios From: Jack Harper Subject: Re: KPH Antenna Maintenance on YouTube Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20070128180619.A91DF317EFD@srvr1.theporch.com> Neat video Richard -- Though I must admit that I was looking forward to seeing you skinny up that pole complete with harness etc :)) Regards to the List -- Jack, W0YJ (Friend to all things Hammarlund) At 09:24 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >Thanks for all the positive response to our first YouTube video >effort. With that encouragement we've posted another. > >In this video you'll see Sr. Transmitter Engineer Steve Hawes and I >venture into the south antenna field in Service Car 50 (1958 4x4 >Willys) to examine the damage to one of our antennas that came down in >a recent wind storm. ------------------------------ Message-ID: <2787662.1170008210127.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:16:50 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Richard Dillman To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: KPH Antenna Maintenance on YouTube Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Great stuff Dick. Sounds like you need to keep an eye out for the muffler >for Service Car 50, next trip to the field! :-) Heh. You're the *second* person to suggest that! The audio track on the video is the first time I've heard Service Car 50 from this outside. I thought it sounded quite nice! But then I'm biased. Believe it or not, the exhaust system is completely intact. >I would think it a challenge to keep anything metallic up in the air for >long, that close to the ocean. Good job! Yes, you've got it, OM. VY 73, RD ================================= Richard Dillman, W6AWO Maritime Radio Historical Society http://www.radiomarine.org Collector of Harleys, Willys and Radios over 100lbs. ================================= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <45BCEFF7.8080807@bellsouth.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:48:23 -0600 From: Ben Hall MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Old Tube Radios CC: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Tek troubles Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I love my Tek's. Currently have a 543, a 465M, a 5110, and several 7613's. Sold a bunch of 4xx series at the last hamfest as I just am running out of room. They work year after year after year. Recently tried out a fancy, $3k plus Fluke Scopemeter at work. I'd rather have any of the above Tek's over it. In fact, one of my 7613's is at work right now as I just don't care for modern DSO's. later, b ChasW3KC wrote: >> >Eric wrote: >>> I no longer accept Tek scopes - period. > > Can't say the same. I have and use this trio: > 561A - nice compact vintage scope.. > D54 (Telequipment) - I believe they are (or were) a U.K. branch of > Tektronix. > 2235 - for higher freq. work > > 73 Chas W3KC > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <002c01c74313$74e5b800$b1d66e44@rn.hr.cox.net> From: "Alan Fryer" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Classic Exchange - CX - 40M is Hoppin' ! Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:35:24 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Lots of BAs on 40M in the Classic Exchange ! I'm making some noise with my DX-60, great fun ! Looking forward to 80M tonite... Alan, N3BJ Bent Mountain, VA -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 1/4/2007 1:34 PM ------------------------------ Message-ID: <0c7b01c74315$9c60eb00$3201a8c0@w8ut> From: "Al Parker" To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Classic Exchange - CX - 40M is Hoppin' ! Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:50:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yup, sure is, I just "qualified" the TR-4Cw & the B-twins. in abt half an hour. Hope to get the HB 35-T rig on 80 tonite, who knows what else. Gotta go to Vintage SB net 14.292 now for a while. 73, Al, W8UT New Bern, NC BoatAnchors appreciated here http://www.boatanchors.org http://www.hammarlund.info ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Fryer" To: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Classic Exchange - CX - 40M is Hoppin' ! > Lots of BAs on 40M in the Classic Exchange ! I'm making some noise with my > DX-60, great fun ! Looking forward to 80M tonite... > > Alan, N3BJ > Bent Mountain, VA > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 1/4/2007 1:34 PM > ------------------------------ Message-ID: <19108901.1170018004870.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:00:04 -0800 (GMT-08:00) From: Richard Dillman To: Old Tube Radios Subject: Re: Classic Exchange - CX - 40M is Hoppin' ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lots of BAs on 40M in the Classic Exchange ! I'm making some noise with my > DX-60, great fun ! Looking forward to 80M tonite... K6KPH is guarding 7050kc (fixed frequency, y'know). RD ================================= Richard Dillman, W6AWO Maritime Radio Historical Society http://www.radiomarine.org Collector of Harleys, Willys and Radios over 100lbs. ================================= ------------------------------ Message-ID: <024c01c7432a$e5cbe1e0$6601a8c0@K0DAN> From: "K0DAN" To: Old Tube Radios Cc: "Old Tube Radios" Subject: O'Scope tutorial? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:35:47 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody know of a self-study course, VHS, DVD, online university course, etc., to teach scope techniques? I use my scope in only the most rudimentary ways, and believe I'm missing out on some good diagnostic tools. Need a tutorial! 73 Dan K0DAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Hall" To: "Old Tube Radios" Cc: "Old Tube Radios" Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 12:48 PM Subject: Re: Tek troubles >I love my Tek's. > They work year after year after year. > > is at work right now as I just don't care for modern DSO's. > ------------------------------ End of BOATANCHORS Digest 4004 ******************************