Article: 317649 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron Lawrence KC4YOY" Subject: another Carolina made radio Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:04:03 GMT Thanks to Michael Brian we have a new addition to our Carolina Radio page, http://cc_awa.homestead.com/CarolinaRadio.html Mike sent in photos of his Etheredge radio made in Spartanburg SC in about 1925. It's a fairly common Neutrodyne circuit, what makes it special is that name tag that says it's a "Carolina Radio". Check it out if you're interested. Does anyone else out there have any thing radio that was made in the Carolinas? Ron Article: 317650 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" Subject: Wanted: R-390 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:19:57 -0400 I'm looking for a reasonably priced R-390 within driving distance of northern CT. Anyone have one living unwanted in a cellar or garage that needs a home? I'd consider something further away, but shipping costs/damage scares me. Pete Article: 317651 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <1119637551.007426.187540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What Every Fashionable Collector Is Wearing This Summer Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:29:07 -0500 Message-ID: <42bca54e$0$32194$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> I've seen it. I pass. " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:jtZue.7942$go.2397@fed1read05... > > "Mike Koste" wrote in message > news:1119637551.007426.187540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> And to complete your ensemble, how about a pair of madras shorts, a >> pocket protector, black socks and sandals. >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38034&item=6541789970&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW >> >> Mike Koste >> Gobs of Knobs >> Ambler, PA >> > > Paggggginnnggggggg Billlyyyyyy MorrrrrISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! > > Article: 317652 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Benjamaniac" Subject: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:55:29 -0600 Message-ID: We had a lightning stom here last week and the transformer on the pole outside our house took a direct hit. The only thing that took any damage was my LPAM radio station. It fried the 8 month old computer that I run the station with and the transmitter. Looks like I've gotta redo the whole ball of wax...damn. I have a spare computer, but it might take me a while to figure out what to do about the transmitter. It was an AMT3000. I might end up buying another kit and building another one. That is one good transmitter...as long as lightning doesn't get it. Ben Article: 317653 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:33:18 -0500 Message-ID: <42bcb459$0$32194$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> My condolences. "Benjamaniac" wrote in message news:d9ia22$ah3r$1@news3.infoave.net... > We had a lightning stom here last week and the transformer on the > pole outside our house took a direct hit. The only thing that took any > damage was my LPAM radio station. It fried the 8 month old computer that I > run the station with and the transmitter. Looks like I've gotta redo the > whole ball of wax...damn. I have a spare computer, but it might take me a > while to figure out what to do about the transmitter. It was an AMT3000. I > might end up buying another kit and building another one. That is one good > transmitter...as long as lightning doesn't get it. > Ben > Article: 317654 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:36:35 -0400 "Benjamaniac" wrote in message news:d9ia22$ah3r$1@news3.infoave.net... > We had a lightning stom here last week and the transformer on the > pole outside our house took a direct hit. The only thing that took any > damage was my LPAM radio station. It fried the 8 month old computer that I > run the station with and the transmitter. Looks like I've gotta redo the > whole ball of wax...damn. I have a spare computer, but it might take me a > while to figure out what to do about the transmitter. It was an AMT3000. I > might end up buying another kit and building another one. That is one good > transmitter...as long as lightning doesn't get it. > Ben > Fix it. Most likely power supply part, output RF transistor, or audio input chip. What are the symptoms? I'm sure Phil will help you with repair parts. It can't be that bad, compared to the cost of a new one!! Honest. Pete Article: 317655 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Wanted: R-390 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:39:00 -0400 " Uncle Peter" wrote in message For the hundreds of responders itching to contact me: Remove the NO SPAM stuff to respond, or to my other email acct. RadioConnection (AT) Juno.com Article: 317656 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" Subject: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:46:36 -0400 Any one have a source for the 300 Ohm(?) "ladder type " antenna wire used on the wave magnet? TIA, Tom Article: 317657 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: norml Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: References: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:55:30 GMT I think the big twin lead used on the Wave Magnet is more like 50 or 75 ohms. Hams sometimes use it for transmitting as well as receiving. Check ham radio dealers. (If they have anything it is likely to be brown rather than the Zenith red, I think.) Norm Lehfeldt "Tom Biasi" wrotf: >Any one have a source for the 300 Ohm(?) "ladder type " antenna wire used on >the wave magnet? >TIA, >Tom > Article: 317658 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 02:01:15 GMT If you can't find it in spools, you can use the dipoles they sell for $4.00 or so at the Shack, if it's not too long a length you need. I recall seeing some not long ago. "Tom Biasi" wrote in message news:YH2ve.5830$UG3.2447@fe11.lga... | Any one have a source for the 300 Ohm(?) "ladder type " antenna wire used on | the wave magnet? | TIA, | Tom | | Article: 317659 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:11:17 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm References: Message-ID: norml wrote: > I think the big twin lead used on the Wave Magnet is more like 50 or 75 > ohms. Hams sometimes use it for transmitting as well as receiving. Check > ham radio dealers. (If they have anything it is likely to be brown rather > than the Zenith red, I think.) > > Norm Lehfeldt \ Check http://thewireman.com/products.html and see what he might have that could work. If its the same physical size its going to be darn close to the same impedance. -Bill Article: 317660 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" Subject: Is this console worth the price? Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:21:58 -0500 Message-ID: <42bcbf31$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net> Hi all So I dropped in at a local antique mall today. Usually prices are too high, but I spotted an item of interest against a wall. It was a Silvertone 4587A. 10 tubes (rf stage, 6L7 mixer, PP 6N6 output) and had the big round gold dial - but this one was the mirror dial. Pretty cool looking. No eye tube, it used flash tuning. It was complete, and the controls all did the right things. Now here's the problem. Some ninny slathered the thing with nasty streaky brown paint, and replaced the grille cloth with a scary red-and-blue striped piece of material. Asking price was (I thought too high, but I dunno) $129. Not negotiable IIRC, unless the particular dealer happens to agree to a discount. Anybody out there have an opinion on whether that's a fair price, or not worth it? Thanks muchly Regards, Paul Article: 317661 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: <5i3ve.1084$S17.180100@monger.newsread.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 02:27:13 GMT Apparently not the kind you want... "Steven Dinius" wrote in message news:LV2ve.1082$S17.179081@monger.newsread.com... | If you can't find it in spools, you can use the dipoles they sell for $4.00 | or so at the Shack, if it's not too long a length you need. I recall seeing | some not long ago. | | "Tom Biasi" wrote in message | news:YH2ve.5830$UG3.2447@fe11.lga... | | Any one have a source for the 300 Ohm(?) "ladder type " antenna wire used | on | | the wave magnet? | | TIA, | | Tom | | | | | Article: 317662 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "benjamaniac" Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:57:39 -0600 Message-ID: References: Phil, Thanks for the offer of help...I sure appreciate it. It'll probably be next week before I can get to it, but I'll let you know when I do. I can't wait too long though...folks are calling me wanting to hear their OTR again :)) Ben "Phil B" wrote in message news:zZOdnRasc9mfWCHfRVn-gA@comcast.com... > A double Arrrrggg !!! Arrrrggg !!! from here. I had the same thing > happen two weeks ago. The power line out front got struck. The fuse at > the top of the pole out front was blown to smithereens. Pieces of it > were scattered around the yard. Power was out for 14 hours before they > got around to our little problem. I lost one garage door opener (two > relays blown), my cable modem, my Petsafe radio dog fence box (PC traces > vaporized, amplifier ICs shorted, wall transformer blown right out of > the socket), and an Intermatic timing motor. Fortunately I unplugged the > TVs and computers. We heard arcing in the AC outlets all over the house. > Guess its time to take a serious look at one of those whole house surge > protectors people here have talked about in the past. > > Ben, the condition of your AMT3000 probably depends on whether the surge > came in through the power line or the antenna. If power side, check the > AC adapter, bridge rectifier diodes, pc traces in power supply area, and > the two voltage regulators. If antenna side, check the transistors, > choke L8, and the pc traces around the RF output area. Diodes and > transistors usually short to zero ohms when fried. Sometimes open if > really fried. Email me. I can help you diagnose it and supply > replacement parts. > > Phil B > > > " Uncle Peter" wrote in message > news:Dy2ve.7999$go.3486@fed1read05... > > > > "Benjamaniac" wrote in message > > news:d9ia22$ah3r$1@news3.infoave.net... > > > We had a lightning stom here last week and the transformer on > the > > > pole outside our house took a direct hit. The only thing that took > any > > > damage was my LPAM radio station. It fried the 8 month old computer > that I > > > run the station with and the transmitter. Looks like I've gotta redo > the > > > whole ball of wax...damn. I have a spare computer, but it might take > me a > > > while to figure out what to do about the transmitter. It was an > AMT3000. I > > > might end up buying another kit and building another one. That is > one good > > > transmitter...as long as lightning doesn't get it. > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > Fix it. Most likely power supply part, output RF transistor, or audio > input > > chip. What are the symptoms? I'm sure Phil will help you with repair > > parts. It can't be that bad, compared to the cost of a new one!! > > Honest. > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > Article: 317663 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: antiqueradiolover@broadcastband.com Subject: Re: Please help identify yard sell table top radio References: <1119581121.00c26baecf2ff147a19abffa53836034@teranews> <1119620065.269323.52660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1119642212.994096de64b94e19c8e59f71b5ab91f8@teranews> Message-ID: <1119668447.b67f696afb557b2182341a0d8e773a76@teranews> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:59:40 -0400 Wagner Model 204ATE This radio has 4 tubes 6SA7 6S?? 5Y4 6F6 A picture of this radio has been posted at alt.binaries.pictures.radio Thanks Article: 317664 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: Subject: Re: Emerson 260S Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:21:09 GMT "HiTech RedNeck" wrote in message news:LHvue.3057$Y75.1447@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... > I have gotten an old wooden cabinet Emerson AM/Shortwave radio that has the > same tube complement -- 6A7, 6D6, 6Q7, 25L6, 25Z5 -- as the year-1938 260S > shown on this French language page: Found the model number on the back. It's an AL168. Nostalgia Air has it. This puppy is even earlier than the 260S; the Riders says 1937. RedNeck Article: 317665 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Subject: Re: They aren't all Black Beauties Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 03:59:43 GMT You are using a type of capacitor in a descriptive manner that implies ALL paper caps have a certain quality. It works in auto commercials, it sounds presumptive here. "truegridtz" wrote in message news:42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org... | | | > | > Ummm... I'm an old-timer, been working in and on electronic equipment | since | > the mid 50s. I've worked on just about everything from the ancient tubed | > radios, TVs, tape recorders, studio equipment, lab-grade test equipment, | and | > more other stuff than I can easily remember. So you'll have to excuse me | > when I ask stupid questions like: | > What is a DENSE PAPER SOUND?? | | Well, this is a long reply and it doesn't really get to the point, but it | might help, a little. | | DENSE PAPER SOUND? | | Simply a spontaneous descriptive phrase indicating a capacitor that has the | paper sound. There is a lot of paper in it. This type of sound was about | all that was around in decades past. The radio in the living room. The amp | in the B&W T.V. brought you Jack Benny through paper caps. They have the | traditional historic sound. | | Also, in a guitar amp it makes playing certain types of leads much easier. | The guitar amps of the 50s and 60s had paper caps and they were what they | bands played through when they wrote their music. | | > How would I recognize it if I heard it? | | You personally may not be able to hear the difference in capacitors. You | may have hearing damaged from shooting shotguns. Mabey you are tone deaf. | I don't know what type of interests you have in life. When a person decides | that something is bullshit then they are inclined to find reasons to mock | it. | | Many people who put financial gain before quality of life think that the | people who want to control the trashing of planet Earth are just "damned | liberals." Once a person pidgeonholes an issue they won't listen. | | Many think that certain pursuits in audio are the nonsense of audiophools. | If they are predisposed to this perception then they will attempt to prove | themselves right. | | Some people like transistors, some tubes. Some like paper capacitors. | | Some people don't care about what the spec sheet says. They want the sound | that they like. BB caps have a lot of paper and they are one of the few | caps left around today that have the paper sound of decades past. It may be | technically distorted, but it is probably as historically correct as can be | had today. | | | > Is it real or imagined? | | It isn't imagined. | | > Why is it desirable? | | Why do some people want one type of car over another? Cuz that is what they | want. | | | > What characteristic of the "BB" capacitors produce this sound, and how | does | > it do it? | | Caps have internal stresses caused by the fluctuating charge on the plates: | replulsion and attraction.. The dielectric acts like a suspension system. | The plates move a little and the waveform is changed slightely. This is | what I suspect gives different dielectrics their characteristic sound. The | actual dissipation factor etc. may be only academic rot for the most part. | (electrolytics excluded) How tightly the cap is wound probably is a major | factor. | > | > I guess that you can tell that I'm not particularly impressed by the guys | > who think nothing of paying upwards of $100 each for "acoustically | > transparent" capacitors and then plug them into circuits that produce 3% | or | > more THD. | | I'm sure they aren't trying to impress you. They are after a certain sound. | I'm sure many of them are simply following the guitar collector herd. There | is a website that sells vintage guitar potentiometers for far over $100, for | a simple CTS 250K pot. | | I don't pursue it myself to that degree, but when I work on a piece of | vintage sound equipment putting paper caps in it gives it a unique sound. I | guess you either hear it or you don't. | | Possibly you can relate to this, you may be too old. Carlos Santana was on | live TV a couple years ago trying to play what he wrote in the late 60s. He | couldn't play it through the modern circuitry. He really messed it up. I | have little doubt that if he had been playing through his old equipment he | would have done just fine. He didn't have the paper caps. He couldn't get | the right distortion out of his amps. This is why guitar players want the | paper. It is what works on the old type of guitar lead. The sonic | characteristic of paper is what was predominate for decades up until about | 1970. | | It is a very smooth and cushioned sound if paper and oil caps are used in | audio amps. Different microphones and speakers have different sounds. | Why not different capacitors? | | Take your favorite piece of tube audio equipment and find another one. | Build one with mylar and the other with Sprague Vitamin-Q then you would | probably hear an obvious difference. (assuming your hearing isn't impaired | and assuming that you aren't trying to not hear it). | | I have spoken to may people in my life that can't hear any difference in | anything. It just makes noise and they don't care. What do they do with | the aural part of their brain? I can't imagine. How can anyone be tone | deaf. I can't relate to that. | | I don't use black beauties, I don't trust them. I just happen to have some | sitting here. I thought I had thrown them away, but I found them early this | month. I use Arco paper/mylar radials. They don't leak. | | Hope this ansers your question to some degree, Dave. | | I built a Heath W-2 with RN65D metal film resistors. It doesn't sound good. | It has a metallic sound. Why I don't know. More than one person has said | that tubes don't like metal film resistors. When I find a second W-2 I will | build it with carbon. Far more mysterious than capacitors. Mark | > | > Cheers!! | > -- | > Dave M | > MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just subsitute the appropriate characters | in | > the address) | > | > Never take a laxative and a sleeping pill at the same time!! | > | > | | Article: 317666 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119581121.00c26baecf2ff147a19abffa53836034@teranews> <1119620065.269323.52660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1119642212.994096de64b94e19c8e59f71b5ab91f8@teranews> <1119668447.b67f696afb557b2182341a0d8e773a76@teranews> Subject: Re: Please help identify yard sell table top radio Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:00:26 GMT wrote in message news:1119668447.b67f696afb557b2182341a0d8e773a76@teranews... | Wagner Model 204ATE | | This radio has 4 tubes | 6SA7 | 6S?? A guess would be 6SN7 | 5Y4 | 6F6 | | A picture of this radio has been posted at alt.binaries.pictures.radio | | Thanks Article: 317667 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119668107.7d96748d6744fb2a9c4050f82b94baf5@teranews> Subject: Re: Please help identify yard sell table top radio - wagnerradio.gif (0/3) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:08:09 GMT Use any photo program to saave this file as a Jpeg and when prompted, reduce the quality setting fairly low. High quality is not necessary for most groups, and you can compress them a lot without hurting details vey much. Also larger file take too long for dialup customers. Another hint: go into your browsers setting and uncheck the setting that breaks up files over XX kb, ending combine-and-decode multipart posts. wrote in message news:1119668107.7d96748d6744fb2a9c4050f82b94baf5@teranews... | Wagner Model 204ATE | | This radio has 4 tubes | 6SA7 | 6S?? | 5Y4 | 6F6 | | | The wood cabinet has the picture of soldier painted on the front | between the tuner dial and the speaker. | | My brother picked up this antique radio at a yard sell and presented | to me for my birthday. | | I made a search on yahoo, google and altavista with no luck. | | Does anyone have any info on this radio? | | Any help would be greatly appreciated. | | Thanks Article: 317668 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> Subject: Re: They aren't all Black Beauties Message-ID: <8Q4ve.1089$S17.181304@monger.newsread.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 04:11:48 GMT I don't care one way or the other, heard it before : ) "Phil B" wrote in message news:67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com... | Yikes. Here we go again. You are pushing science aside in favor of | subjective judgments and the occult. This forum is populated by a lot of | sensible, down to earth people. You have likely started another flame | war on this subject, unless everyone is sensible enough to let this | pass. There are many, many reasons why vintage radios and amps don't | sound like the new ones. Non-defective paper caps and film resistors are | not likely to be significant contributors. | | Phil B | | "truegridtz" wrote in message | news:42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org... | > | > | > > | > > Ummm... I'm an old-timer, been working in and on electronic | equipment | > since | > > the mid 50s. I've worked on just about everything from the ancient | tubed | > > radios, TVs, tape recorders, studio equipment, lab-grade test | equipment, | > and | > > more other stuff than I can easily remember. So you'll have to | excuse me | > > when I ask stupid questions like: | > > What is a DENSE PAPER SOUND?? | > | > Well, this is a long reply and it doesn't really get to the point, but | it | > might help, a little. | > | > DENSE PAPER SOUND? | > | > Simply a spontaneous descriptive phrase indicating a capacitor that | has the | > paper sound. There is a lot of paper in it. This type of sound was | about | > all that was around in decades past. The radio in the living room. | The amp | > in the B&W T.V. brought you Jack Benny through paper caps. They have | the | > traditional historic sound. | > | > Also, in a guitar amp it makes playing certain types of leads much | easier. | > The guitar amps of the 50s and 60s had paper caps and they were what | they | > bands played through when they wrote their music. | > | > > How would I recognize it if I heard it? | > | > You personally may not be able to hear the difference in capacitors. | You | > may have hearing damaged from shooting shotguns. Mabey you are tone | deaf. | > I don't know what type of interests you have in life. When a person | decides | > that something is bullshit then they are inclined to find reasons to | mock | > it. | > | > Many people who put financial gain before quality of life think that | the | > people who want to control the trashing of planet Earth are just | "damned | > liberals." Once a person pidgeonholes an issue they won't listen. | > | > Many think that certain pursuits in audio are the nonsense of | audiophools. | > If they are predisposed to this perception then they will attempt to | prove | > themselves right. | > | > Some people like transistors, some tubes. Some like paper capacitors. | > | > Some people don't care about what the spec sheet says. They want the | sound | > that they like. BB caps have a lot of paper and they are one of the | few | > caps left around today that have the paper sound of decades past. It | may be | > technically distorted, but it is probably as historically correct as | can be | > had today. | > | > | > > Is it real or imagined? | > | > It isn't imagined. | > | > > Why is it desirable? | > | > Why do some people want one type of car over another? Cuz that is | what they | > want. | > | > | > > What characteristic of the "BB" capacitors produce this sound, and | how | > does | > > it do it? | > | > Caps have internal stresses caused by the fluctuating charge on the | plates: | > replulsion and attraction.. The dielectric acts like a suspension | system. | > The plates move a little and the waveform is changed slightely. This | is | > what I suspect gives different dielectrics their characteristic sound. | The | > actual dissipation factor etc. may be only academic rot for the most | part. | > (electrolytics excluded) How tightly the cap is wound probably is a | major | > factor. | > > | > > I guess that you can tell that I'm not particularly impressed by the | guys | > > who think nothing of paying upwards of $100 each for "acoustically | > > transparent" capacitors and then plug them into circuits that | produce 3% | > or | > > more THD. | > | > I'm sure they aren't trying to impress you. They are after a certain | sound. | > I'm sure many of them are simply following the guitar collector herd. | There | > is a website that sells vintage guitar potentiometers for far over | $100, for | > a simple CTS 250K pot. | > | > I don't pursue it myself to that degree, but when I work on a piece | of | > vintage sound equipment putting paper caps in it gives it a unique | sound. I | > guess you either hear it or you don't. | > | > Possibly you can relate to this, you may be too old. Carlos Santana | was on | > live TV a couple years ago trying to play what he wrote in the late | 60s. He | > couldn't play it through the modern circuitry. He really messed it | up. I | > have little doubt that if he had been playing through his old | equipment he | > would have done just fine. He didn't have the paper caps. He | couldn't get | > the right distortion out of his amps. This is why guitar players want | the | > paper. It is what works on the old type of guitar lead. The sonic | > characteristic of paper is what was predominate for decades up until | about | > 1970. | > | > It is a very smooth and cushioned sound if paper and oil caps are used | in | > audio amps. Different microphones and speakers have different | sounds. | > Why not different capacitors? | > | > Take your favorite piece of tube audio equipment and find another | one. | > Build one with mylar and the other with Sprague Vitamin-Q then you | would | > probably hear an obvious difference. (assuming your hearing isn't | impaired | > and assuming that you aren't trying to not hear it). | > | > I have spoken to may people in my life that can't hear any difference | in | > anything. It just makes noise and they don't care. What do they do | with | > the aural part of their brain? I can't imagine. How can anyone be | tone | > deaf. I can't relate to that. | > | > I don't use black beauties, I don't trust them. I just happen to have | some | > sitting here. I thought I had thrown them away, but I found them | early this | > month. I use Arco paper/mylar radials. They don't leak. | > | > Hope this ansers your question to some degree, Dave. | > | > I built a Heath W-2 with RN65D metal film resistors. It doesn't sound | good. | > It has a metallic sound. Why I don't know. More than one person has | said | > that tubes don't like metal film resistors. When I find a second W-2 | I will | > build it with carbon. Far more mysterious than capacitors. Mark | > > | > > Cheers!! | > > -- | > > Dave M | > > MasonDG44 at comcast dot net (Just subsitute the appropriate | characters | > in | > > the address) | > > | > > Never take a laxative and a sleeping pill at the same time!! | > > | > > | > | > | | Article: 317669 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Please help identify yard sell table top radio Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 21:38:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1119581121.00c26baecf2ff147a19abffa53836034@teranews> <1119620065.269323.52660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1119642212.994096de64b94e19c8e59f71b5ab91f8@teranews> <1119668447.b67f696afb557b2182341a0d8e773a76@teranews> antiqueradiolover@broadcastband.com wrote: > Wagner Model 204ATE > > This radio has 4 tubes > 6SA7 > 6S?? > 5Y4 > 6F6 > > A picture of this radio has been posted at alt.binaries.pictures.radio http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/beitman/abpr/newfiles/wagnerradio.gif I know I've seen this set before with a different name, but I can't quite put mt finger on it...... -Scott Article: 317670 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:05:24 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: They aren't all Black Beauties References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> Message-ID: Phil B wrote: > Yikes. Here we go again. You are pushing science aside in favor of > subjective judgments and the occult. This forum is populated by a lot of > sensible, down to earth people. You have likely started another flame > war on this subject, unless everyone is sensible enough to let this > pass. There are many, many reasons why vintage radios and amps don't > sound like the new ones. Non-defective paper caps and film resistors are > not likely to be significant contributors. > > Phil B I'm with you, Phil. Things have been kinda slow and thats one of the better pieces of troll-bait we've had here lately. It pegged my Troll-O-Meter about 50 lines into the tome. I was tempted to reply to the issues but I realized I'd be typing for hours to deal with each of the allegations and "mysteries". And for what? "truegridtz" if you're happy with your hobby then I'm happy for you. There's no right or wrong here (well, there is but I'm trying to take the High Road and to be friendly). Unfortunately, this isn't the best venue to be promoting the superiority of paper caps...any paper caps...since we collectively must throw out a mop-bucket full of the nasty buggers daily and can tell you endless horror stories about unreliability, expensive catastrophic failures and distorted audio. I'm glad you like them but in dealing with "electronics people" you won't find many people here that will agree. Electronics People have a reputation for having a tin-ear. To each his own...thats what hobbies and opinions are all about. The converse equivalent would be me going to an audio forum touting the superiority of ceramic disc caps. They'd slice me into small pieces. Enjoy your hobby...like I do mine, Bill M Article: 317671 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Please help identify yard sell table top radio Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:12:04 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1119581121.00c26baecf2ff147a19abffa53836034@teranews> <1119620065.269323.52660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1119642212.994096de64b94e19c8e59f71b5ab91f8@teranews> <1119668447.b67f696afb557b2182341a0d8e773a76@teranews> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:59:40 -0400, antiqueradiolover wrote: > Wagner Model 204ATE > > This radio has 4 tubes > 6SA7 > 6S?? > 5Y4 > 6F6 > > A picture of this radio has been posted at alt.binaries.pictures.radio > > Thanks Check the metal flange around the base of the mystery tube. Some brands have the number stamped into the metal as well as printed on the side. It looks like the radio has 2 IF transformers so that tube may be a 6SF7 or something like that. Your radio actually has 5 tubes; you missed the tuning eye. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 317672 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "truegridtz" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> Subject: message to old farts in general Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:14:39 -0500 Message-ID: <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Why don't you paranoid old buttheads just shut up with the wiseman shit. This is not YOUR newsgroup. ANTIQUES is what it says. Stop entertaining your sick feeble minds with this newsgroup cop routine. Nobody looks up to you. Fixing old radios is not science. Time and time again you stinkers start this shit. It is YOU that is full of subjective crap. You said: ""truegridtz" if you're happy with your hobby then I'm happy for you. There's no right or wrong here (well, there is but I'm trying to take the High Road and to be friendly). Unfortunately, this isn't the best venue to be promoting the superiority of paper caps...any paper caps...since we collectively must throw out a mop-bucket ..." So just what is my hobby? Are you trying to run me off of YOUR newsgroup. Did I say they were superior? I said that they are DIFFERENT and it is understandable that some people want them because of the way they sound. I overhaul antique phonographs. You know Philcos etc. I don't use old paper caps. I throw them all away and use plastic except when I overhaul my own gear and then I use Arco paper/mylar because I like the sound. Is that OK with you? YOU said: "I'm glad you like them but in dealing with "electronics people" you won't find many people here that will agree. Electronics People have a reputation for having a tin-ear." Much more of your self-serving and subjective crap. Many "electronics" people who know far more than you, overhaul vintage amplifiers. See heading "antiques phono". They do not have tin ears. So you are assuming what? Who has appointed you the spokeman for a WORLDWIDE newsgroup. Year after year you old buttheads start persecuting people on this newsgroup. There is a lot that you don't know about most everything, including paper capacitors. Many of them are still perfectly good. Why don't old stinkers just give it a rest. Just shut up and build your damned radios. If you don't like the conversation, just go away. PLEASE, don't snake in with the little polite yet inflammatory comments that your butthead buddies will use to start these entertaining little fights. I have watched this crap for years. JUST STOP IT. Mark Article: 317673 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BD14F6.88E8B60F@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: message to id10ts in general References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:25:49 GMT PLONK! -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317674 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Roger Smith Subject: Re: help with conversion of GPO 332 telephone needed! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:26:40 +0100 Message-ID: <49cqb1t93m11jefp5jeap8tsnuv4jrhtbb@4ax.com> References: <1118794937.398631.92570@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119144465.654216.148310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <86kfb1dd13cos9knq208vdjda3tol9bp6k@4ax.com> <1119642217.522160.209080@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Hi Colm, Glad you've sorted it. Roger On 24 Jun 2005 12:43:37 -0700, "cj001" wrote: >Hi Roger, >Thanks for all your help. You are right, I was using a non Bt wire and >pug but I was using the conversion table on the website. >ie: >Non BT cord BT cord >Black White >Red Green >Green Blue >Yellow Red > >unfortunatly, what I had was >Non BT cord BT cord >green red >yellow blue >black green >red white > >Anyway, I made the adjustments and the phone now works perfectly. >Thanks so much for everything! > >Colm Article: 317675 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42BD14F6.88E8B60F@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: message to id10ts in general Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:47:05 GMT "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:42BD14F6.88E8B60F@earthlink.net... | PLONK! | | -- | Former professional electron wrangler. | | Michael A. Terrell | Central Florida It's 75 or 80 degrees in this corner and muggy...SPLASH sounds better! Article: 317676 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" References: <5i3ve.1084$S17.180100@monger.newsread.com> Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 07:58:16 -0400 "Steven Dinius" wrote in message news:5i3ve.1084$S17.180100@monger.newsread.com... > Apparently not the kind you want... I don't know, I'll have to look at it. Thanks Article: 317677 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 05:05:25 -0700 Message-ID: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> References: A recent APC mailing had a customer gushing over how his APC surge suppressors had 100% protected everything they were connected to when a tree fell on the powerlines, while other items in the house were fried. A $30 surge suppressor is so much cheaper than the equipment it's connected to, it makes sense to put one on all your electronic equipment. Some companies -- such as APC -- offer an equipment warranty. The "catch" is that if the connected equipment is damaged by a strike or surge, the suppressor itself also has to have been damaged. I can kind-of see the logic of that, but it allows the manufacturer a lot of "wiggle room". Article: 317678 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" References: Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:08:11 -0400 > Check http://thewireman.com/products.html and see what he might have that > could work. If its the same physical size its going to be darn close to > the same impedance. > > -Bill It looks like all the ladder types they sell are copper clad steel. Article: 317679 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1119597828.623702.319450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Do gramophones need special records? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:09:38 GMT Is there such a thing as a gramophone that plays 33's? The first 33rpm records were made by RCA in 1931 and were called PT's, short for program transcriptions. One (of many) problem with these was the fact that only a few RCA players could handle them, and I believe all of them were electronic players. I don't know the needle size, but I would assume they're the 3 mil, just like "standard" 78's of the period. Who made the gramophone? The earliest flat ones were Edison, which played 1/4 inch thick records at 80 rpm. These records were vertical cut, so the diaphragm on the needle is horizontal. All the later units played the more practical thinner records at 78 rpm, with horizontal cut, and the players had a vertical diaphragm. In either case, be sure to stock up on needles, as the steel needles on these players didn't last long. It is wise to use a new needle every time you play a record -- and avoid playing the later 1940-s records, as the modulation level was such that they could blow a needle partway through the record. Gemstone needles were indeed made for later 78 players, and they mounted with a thumbscrew just like the Victrolas, but I don't know how they treated the records with the heavy weight of the tonearm. My suggestion would be to stock up on steel needles and don't play your most valuable records on it -- just save a few old foxtrots and Billy Murray records to show off to friends >from time to time. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "HiTech RedNeck" wrote in message news:gE%ue.5898$Y75.4985@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com... > > "Malcolm" wrote in message > news:1119597828.623702.319450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > >> But I know very little about gramophones. Will I be able to play my >> records on it? I had a look at the sample records in the shop, and they >> were 33rpm recordings, but they seemed rather heavier than a "normal" >> record. Is this important? I don't want to destroy my records. Can >> anybody help me, please? > > A gramophone that can play 33's at normal speed, if it hadn't been > modified > after manufacture to do so, would be quite a rarity and probably worth > cabbaging on to. Are you sure that they say 33 on the label, or are they > just big honkin' 12 inch 78's? > > Still, gramophones are rough on records because of the needle pressure > (and, > they eat up needles quickly as well). There are several firms that now > sell > modern "nostalgic" style radio/phono/CDs that can play 78's, if you can't > find an old electronic player with that speed. Electronic play will be > much > kinder to the old records. > > RedNeck > > Article: 317680 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1119637551.007426.187540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <42bca54e$0$32194$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: What Every Fashionable Collector Is Wearing This Summer Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:12:05 GMT Hey -- it's cheaper than a Sony Walkman! "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:42bca54e$0$32194$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... > I've seen it. I pass. > > > " Uncle Peter" wrote in message > news:jtZue.7942$go.2397@fed1read05... >> >> "Mike Koste" wrote in message >> news:1119637551.007426.187540@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >>> And to complete your ensemble, how about a pair of madras shorts, a >>> pocket protector, black socks and sandals. >>> >>> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38034&item=6541789970&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW >>> >>> Mike Koste >>> Gobs of Knobs >>> Ambler, PA >>> >> >> Paggggginnnggggggg Billlyyyyyy MorrrrrISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! >> >> > > Article: 317681 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 08:29:36 -0500 William Sommerwerck wrote: > Some companies -- such as APC -- offer an equipment warranty. The "catch" is > that if the connected equipment is damaged by a strike or surge, the > suppressor itself also has to have been damaged. I can kind-of see the logic > of that, but it allows the manufacturer a lot of "wiggle room". I've been an APC dealer for 10+ years. I'm not aware of them "wiggling" out of a claim... though I personally have never seen equipment "behind" their that was damaged. I HAVE had their UPSs with surge suppression go up in smoke protecting it's "charges"... The last one was a BackUPS XS 1000. When contacted THEY asked if anyone was hurt (their first question), was anything else damaged, (second question); and was there any damage from the smoke. Their next move was to overnight a replacement - which came with instructions to return the now broken unit in the same box the replacement came in - which had a feed ground pick-up call tag. That's the PAC I know and have represented for a long, long time. best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 317682 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:38:58 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <1090e$42bd5e76$4232bd5c$30838@COQUI.NET> Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote: > out of a claim... though I personally have never seen equipment > "behind" their that was damaged. I HAVE had their UPSs with surge > suppression go up in smoke protecting it's "charges"... My APC "protected" rig lost a power supply last year during a t-storm. No apparent damage to the UPS. (Back UPS SC 350) -Bill Article: 317683 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1119559698.856571.152340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: One More Time Message-ID: <3cdve.12774$eM6.11247@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:43:27 GMT Take a look at your shop right now. Now, try to imagine -- remove the oscilloscope, remove the in-circuit cap tester, inductance tester, VTVM, and just about every piece of test equipment that was made after 1950. Empty your trays of ceramic caps, and replace them with wax-coated paper types. Do away with Sams, and use your Riders. Of course you can't use your computer. Now, with what you have left, put your tools in a big portable toolbox and put this in the trunk of your car, because your first repair order is a house call. This may seem like you're stranded on some desert island, but this is what the serviceman was up against back then. To him, an AM radio was the epitome of technology, and his magic piece of test equipment, the meter, was such that it would load down everything it touched. That, strapped against the high impedances of the radio, made for some real adventures in troubleshooting, for sure. Also bear in mind that components were very pricey. A tube that sold for $7.50 back in the 30's would equate to maybe $200 today, so it wasn't quite so easy to "just sub all the tubes and see what happens." Remember, a radio with 6 tubes and a few coils was a huge household investment at the time, as the parts used in it were not exactly cheap. So with less experience, little room for substitution, and very primitive test equipment, it took a fair amount of skill to be a serviceman. In the 1950's, repair shops were forced to step things up -- aquiring VTVM's and scopes, in order to service television sets. This still seems primitive by today's standards, but the cost at the time was quite an investment. Today we have some very sophisticated test equipment and tools, but look at what we have to deal with in today's technology. We use today's skills to work on yesterday's radios -- for relaxation. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Today we have the combined knowledge, passed around on the internet, of everything that has ever gone wrong "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1119559698.856571.152340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Are we better repair people than in the past? > > Consider that we have no readily available stock of OEM parts, no > designers (or vanishingly few left) to call on, and no Factory to > support us. Not only are we dealing with the normal breakdowns and > failures, but they are compounded by age. > > So, are even the average amongst us generally better than "Joe's Radio > Repairs" was in 1955? Or am I assuming too much? > > Just a question. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > > Sorry for the stutter. Sometimes this computer does not let me tab > down, but sends the message instead. > Article: 317684 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 06:49:12 -0700 Message-ID: <11bqo8dpf1o8910@corp.supernews.com> References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> >> Some companies -- such as APC -- offer an equipment warranty. The "catch" is >> that if the connected equipment is damaged by a strike or surge, the >> suppressor itself also has to have been damaged. I can kind-of see the logic >> of that, but it allows the manufacturer a lot of "wiggle room". > I've been an APC dealer for 10+ years. I'm not aware of them "wiggling" > out of a claim... though I personally have never seen equipment > "behind" theirs that was damaged. I HAVE had their UPSs with surge > suppression go up in smoke protecting its "charges"... The last one > was a BackUPS XS 1000. When contacted THEY asked if anyone was > hurt (their first question *), was anything else damaged, (second question); > and was there any damage from the smoke. Their next move was to > overnight a replacement - which came with instructions to return the now > broken unit in the same box the replacement came in -- which had a FedEx > ground pick-up call tag. > That's the PAC I know and have represented for a long, long time. PAC? Freudidan slip? I'm glad to hear you've had no reason to complain about APC. Neither have I, other than the fact that my first UPS (not the battery, the UPS itself) lasted only about seven years. I bought a second one from them two months ago, and they sent a UPS prepaid return label so I could recycle the older unit. The new one is smaller and lighter and higher-capacity, with an easier-to-change battery -- and made in China. I hope it lasts at least a decade. By the way, if you're using Windows 2000 or XP (and possibly others), you don't need the APC PowerChute software. Just connect the USB cable to your computer, and it automaticlly recognizes the UPS and reconfigures the Power Options accordingly. I have a practical question about surge suppressors in general... Suppose a 2500V line falls on your regular line. The varistors would take the brunt of that -- briefly -- but will the main breaker in the suppressor open before it can be welded shut? ("Yes", presumably, or people wouldn't be telling stories about how their suppressor protected their equipment.) * My cynical reaction: "Hope the customer wasn't sliced by shards of flying metal, or burned by battery acid! We could be sued!" Article: 317685 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:04:32 GMT I think by "wiggle room" he didn't mean it in terms of trying to get out of a claim. However I'm sure there are those who, rather than pay a service bill for their broken TV or computer, would make a claim on the surge protector. Any good surge protector worth its salt will destroy itself while protecting what's plugged into it. So as a common sense move, as well as a hedge against fraud, a claim made on a surge protector would include the protector itself, along with the repair bill for the damaged TV set. If the surge protector is fried, the claim appears reasonable. Many years ago I was working at a dealer, and was preparing a computer on the sales floor for delivery. There was a bad storm outside, but I needed to get software installed because it was to be delivered that day. As I was doing this, we got a direct hit of lightning. It jolted me, and the receptionist jumped out of her seat. Then we both smelled something burning -- bad. We checked around the office, everything appeared fine -- except fo rthe smell. We had already unplugged all the copiers and computers; the only thing that was still on the computer I was working on. We shrugged our shoulders and went back to work. I finished setting up the computer, turned it off and unplugged it -- and the surge protector it was plugged into disintegrated. THAT was what made the burning smell! Of course the computer was fine, was delivered, and it served the customer for years. The surge protector? The salesman took it with him, and used it to sell a lot of surge protectors! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message news:7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > William Sommerwerck wrote: > >> Some companies -- such as APC -- offer an equipment warranty. The "catch" >> is >> that if the connected equipment is damaged by a strike or surge, the >> suppressor itself also has to have been damaged. I can kind-of see the >> logic >> of that, but it allows the manufacturer a lot of "wiggle room". > > I've been an APC dealer for 10+ years. I'm not aware of them "wiggling" > out of a claim... though I personally have never seen equipment "behind" > their that was damaged. I HAVE had their UPSs with surge suppression go > up in smoke protecting it's "charges"... The last one was a BackUPS XS > 1000. When contacted THEY asked if anyone was hurt (their first question), > was anything else damaged, (second question); and was there any damage > from the smoke. Their next move was to overnight a replacement - which > came with instructions to return the now broken unit in the same box the > replacement came in - which had a feed ground pick-up call tag. > > That's the PAC I know and have represented for a long, long time. > > best regards... > -- > randy guttery > > A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews > so vital to the United States Silent Service: > http://tendertale.com Article: 317686 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dennis Daly" References: Subject: Re: Unanswered Philco alignment problem Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:07:41 GMT "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:cdgkb1hg2qljc0987fs31qbeoqc8asqpm2@4ax.com... > I ran into a snag aligning the Philco 37-610 console model last week > and I've gone through the alignment procedure 3 times now and can't do > the part below because of unexpected results. Maybe someone can give > me a clue as to what's wrong here. > > Philco alignment instructions: > > Align the RF Circuit. > 7.3 to 22.0 M.C. Did that. But then the instructions say: > > "The adjustment of the antenna compensator on the high frequency range > causes a slight de-tuning of the oscillator circuit. In order to > overcome this de-tuning effect, connect a variable condenser of > approximately 350 mmf., having a good vernier drive, across the > oscillator section of the tuning condenser. Leaving the signal > generator and receiver dials at 18.0 M.C., tune the added condenser so > that the second harmonic of the receiver oscillator will beat against > the signal from the signal generator. The antenna compensator should > then be adjusted to give maximum output...." > > I have a variable condenser and measured 350 mmf within it's range. > When I tried to connect it across the osc. section the sound from the > generator quit with a slight pop as I clipped a jumper lead to the > cap. I can't proceed with the alignment of that section without being > able to hear the signal. > > Tonight, trying again, I found out that not only connecting the lead > to the extra tuning cap caused the signal to quit, but just touching a > disconnected jumper to the osc terminal on the cap caused it to quit. > > How am I supposed to connect another tuning cap to the radio's if I > can't touch anything to the terminal without the signal > disappearing???? > > Touching a wire to the ant. terminal of the cap does the same thing. > .... > Blacksmith > > I'm not gonna get into/ attempt remote diagnosis of the phenomenom you're experiencing, with your hookup, but I will advise that you be sure to use the _vernier_ style var. cap Philco mentions. If attempting to use a direct drive var. cap. from the junk box, you may beat your head against the wall trying to tune to the beat and maintain it. Very sharp tuning with this. Touchy as it is, using the prescribed vernier cap. All this is a moot point if you are presently using a vernier drive cap, but if you aren't..... Good luck with it. Den Article: 317687 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Free MP3's of Old 78's From: Larry W4CSC References: <6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:12:18 -0400 "Don" wrote in news:6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com: > http://www.turtleserviceslimited.org/jukebox.htm > > A variety of music from 78's from 1930 and before. An interesting > selection, free for non-commercial use. > > But why? alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era has thousands.... alt.binaries.sound.radio.oldtime has more shows than you could ever listen to. I'd be real careful posting these records. Someone owns the re-issued copyrights to everything ever recorded. RIAA's Bulldog lawyers think nothing of ruining your life and confiscating your property and money if they can prove it.... Copyrights don't run out, any more. They just keep re-issuing them. Look at the oldest hymn in any church hymnal and see, even those, someone is being PAID to print them. -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Sun Jun 26 22:19:06 EDT 2005 Article: 317688 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: Free MP3's of Old 78's References: <6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:13:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1119708783 66.65.49.245 (Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:13:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:13:03 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:317688 In article , Larry W4CSC wrote: > Copyrights don't run out, any more. They just keep re-issuing them. Look > at the oldest hymn in any church hymnal and see, even those, someone is > being PAID to print them. Welcome back Larry. We've missed ya. How's the bag-phone? :) -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 317689 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: How to turn a radio into a time-bomb??? From: Larry W4CSC References: <2d5631c0.0506082158.39fb1c20@posting.google.com> <93842$42a7dbdc$4232bdd4$17897@COQUI.NET> <1118419903.425788.13520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:24:16 -0400 Stephanie Weil wrote in news:slrndajtk6.jsk.stephanie@home3.gordsven.com: > > There's MUSIC on AM???? > > WOW! Where? > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, U.S.A. > > WAZS 980 Khz in Summerville, SC, a suburb of Charleston. It's owned by an insurance man. It was playing spanish disco but last month switched to smooth jazz. With its massive 1KW transmitter to the rusty tower out back, it'll test your receiver sensitivity...(c; The God Squads play music while trying to get you to send them your Jesus money....sometimes between the brainwashing talk shows. -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317690 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ISP provider From: Larry W4CSC References: <1118924261.420244.167780@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:28:56 -0400 "graeme" wrote in news:1118924261.420244.167780@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > But which ISP shall i choose? Unless your cable company is Comcast, which limits usenet to 2gb/month and kicks people off for using the bandwidth they are paying for, cable high speed internet is the best. If you're happy with dialup, please don't try cable or DSL and ruin your life. I couldn't go back to dialup. I'd go crazy!!! -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317691 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: <1119703045.769370.185500@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: you know you have a good one when..... Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:27:05 GMT Your wife may have gotten these things from my wife. Time to make sure I still have all of my radios! ;-) Steve Article: 317692 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Listening to OTR From: Larry W4CSC References: <21153-429B32C3-232@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:36:12 -0400 "Steven Dinius" wrote in news:X1Hme.8216$Cz3.970411@monger.newsread.com: > I just wish I had all those crappy old cassettes I taped from an old > tubed clock radio in the seventies of the old KIDO 63 when they were > close to switching the AOR format to the new FM, Q104. Ahhhh, > Pre-classic Classic Rock! > > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.(your fav genre here) All those songs are posted, thousands per day. I've gone crazy downloading old TV shows from: alt.binaries.multimedia.vintage-tv now. The genius French engineering students have a great player for your PC at: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ It will play anything, which is why they are being targeted by big media for assasination. alt.binaries.movies.divx is where the new movies are posted....when you get bored with TV and MP3 files...(c; Well, back to watching "Car 54, Where Are You?!!"....(c; Now you'll need a TV transmitter that takes input from DiVX or VCD files... -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317693 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Nordmende Globetraveller Pro From: Larry W4CSC References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 10:54:56 -0400 "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in news:d8fvcn0u2m@news2.newsguy.com: > I have a NordMende Globetraveller III. I have a Globetraveller II. I bought it in Chicago in 1965 from Allied Radio and have owned it ever since. The FM local oscillator transistor failed in it 20 years ago and I replaced it. Other than that, It functions flawlessly for a long time on its D alkalines. I also have the car mount for it under the dash. It plugs into that long connector on the bottom and pushes a pin through a hole which pushes on a switch inside to change the audio amp over to LOUD! Running in the car, it's very loud on the car's speaker (1973 Mercedes 220D, burgundy with creme top I restored in 1996). You simply push the radio into the mount and fold the handle down to lock it in place. A keylock secures it into the mount...unless someone wants to steal it, of course. It's always been one HOT SW receiver, but has no BFO, just broadcast bands. I've carried it all over the world. I used to use it to listen to VOA from Tehran when I lived there. Best $49 I ever spent....(c; I was makin' $68/month as a Navy sailor. That radio was big money! -- Larry You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk. Article: 317694 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BD729D.EADA8932@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: message to old farts in general References: <42bb997c$0$2230$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <42bbb82e$0$2228$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <8P-dnRBKi6eF6yHfRVn-sg@comcast.com> <42bcd1a1$0$2225$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> <67GdnWcUadXgSiHfRVn-ig@comcast.com> <42bcf567$0$2226$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:05:16 GMT "Dale H. Cook" wrote: > > On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 01:14:39 -0500, "truegridtz" > wrote: > > >Fixing old radios is not science. > > Plonk. > > Dale H. Cook I'd like to see him try to fix an RCB-2000. On the other hand, I really don't want to see an $80,000 reciever destroyed. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317695 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BD7452.31FC3C64@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Free MP3's of Old 78's References: <6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:12:33 GMT Larry W4CSC wrote: > > But why? alt.binaries.sounds.78rpm-era has thousands.... > alt.binaries.sound.radio.oldtime has more shows than you could ever listen > to. > > I'd be real careful posting these records. Someone owns the re-issued > copyrights to everything ever recorded. RIAA's Bulldog lawyers think > nothing of ruining your life and confiscating your property and money if > they can prove it.... > > Copyrights don't run out, any more. They just keep re-issuing them. Look > at the oldest hymn in any church hymnal and see, even those, someone is > being PAID to print them. > > -- > Larry Look what the cat dragged in! Welcome back, Larry! -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317696 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BD74A1.D73DD469@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: ISP provider References: <1118924261.420244.167780@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:13:51 GMT Larry W4CSC wrote: > > "graeme" wrote in > news:1118924261.420244.167780@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > But which ISP shall i choose? > > Unless your cable company is Comcast, which limits usenet to 2gb/month and > kicks people off for using the bandwidth they are paying for, cable high > speed internet is the best. > > If you're happy with dialup, please don't try cable or DSL and ruin your > life. I couldn't go back to dialup. I'd go crazy!!! > > -- > Larry Try going from broadband down to dialup, then a full year without any access. :( -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 317697 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: cinderela man References: <1118992711.717133.138380@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119223742.269208.101410@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:06:45 -0400 frenchy wrote: > It just looks like another formula dramatization movie to me, take a > true story, jazz it up with a bunch of untrue dramatics, make the > relatively good guy look like a saint, make everybody who needs to be a > bad guy in the movie a bad guy even if they really weren't (Max Baer), > the standard crowds cheering for the guy, making it look like this > story was the #1 event of it's time even if it wasn't, etc etc. Been > there done that. > I heard the talk that Max Baer was played as a heavy that he wasn't. Well that's Hollywood. Then, this wasn't a true 'bio' movie. And since it came on the heel's of 'Million Dollar Baby', the movie public may have been tired of Boxing movies. (Still the 'Rocky' series did well enough....if you can take Stalon). Article: 317698 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jimmie Stewart" Subject: New London 901A Tube Tester Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:16:31 GMT I bought a New London 901A Tube Tester on Ebay last week. It comes with the Installation & Operation Manual 18 Pages, Replaceable Parts List 13 Pages, 3 Pages of Wiring Schematics & the Pamphlets from when it was New. It has No Tube set up chart with it. So if someone has copies of other Data for this tester I be willing to trade copies of above. Jimmie Article: 317699 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 09:40:20 -0700 Message-ID: <11br2977bjo5j31@corp.supernews.com> References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:Qvdve.11792$VK4.3291@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > I think by "wiggle room" he didn't mean it in terms > of trying to get out of a claim. Yes, I did. > However I'm sure there are those who, rather than pay a service > bill for their broken TV or computer, would make a claim on the > surge protector['s manufacturer]. This is also true. If the protector hasn't been destroyed, how does the manufacturer know the customer isn't lying? Liked your story about the surge protector giving its "last full measure". Article: 317700 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:08:31 GMT Am I dense? Maybe it's just me? I don't understand this one. I get my components from a lot of sources -- sometimes I buy them new, and other times I find "lots" at surplus stores or area swap meets. I recently bought a big set of trays badged "Ohmite Little Devils" full of resistors -- not necessarily Ohmite, but enough resistors to warrant getting them along with the storage trays. Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured them, and sure enough, they are 10k. So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is this some new standard for China or someplace? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 317701 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron Lawrence KC4YOY" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:17:13 GMT > > So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would > be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is > this some new standard for China or someplace? Gary, I found this on 5 band resistor color codes, http://samengstrom.com/elec/resistor/5band.html Ron Article: 317702 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> <11bqo8dpf1o8910@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:20:51 -0500 William Sommerwerck wrote: > PAC? Freudidan slip? I think the spell checker got me on this one, but since I'm not sure - I'll just cop the "Senior Moment" plea and let it go. > By the way, if you're using Windows 2000 or XP (and possibly others), you > don't need the APC PowerChute software. Just connect the USB cable to your > computer, and it automaticlly recognizes the UPS and reconfigures the Power > Options accordingly. While that's true - I still prefer APC's software. When hooked to one of their smarter units - it will tell you current power consumption (in watts); run time remaining (both if and while on battery); the log of UPS "interventions" - the cause (over / under voltage - etc.) and how long the incident, - as well as running tests -- including running on battery long enough to ensure it's capacity is up to specs, etc. > I have a practical question about surge suppressors in general... Suppose a > 2500V line falls on your regular line. The varistors would take the brunt of > that -- briefly -- but will the main breaker in the suppressor open before > it can be welded shut? ("Yes", presumably, or people wouldn't be telling > stories about how their suppressor protected their equipment.) Depends on whether the suppessor in question is a good one - i.e. three stage. First stage: Silicon - very fast, very short lived, and not much "quench" capacity -- however - long enough. Long enough for the 2nd, slower reacting stage which is usually MOVs. These can eat thousands of jewels - and are the heart of most of the inexpensive units you see. Then the third stage - which can also handle thousands of jewels - and last a long time (seconds into minutes) - and that's a gas-tube discharge unit. And yes - those can dissipate long enough for the wires feeding them to melt. best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 317703 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:34:30 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. I > pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 watt > resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. My > first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, 2% > tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured them, and > sure enough, they are 10k. 1% Resistors. Brown Black Black Red Brown 1 0 0 10^2 1% 10K Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317704 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: One More Time References: <1119559698.856571.152340@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <3cdve.12774$eM6.11247@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:53:26 -0500 Gary Tayman wrote: > Now, with what you have > left, put your tools in a big portable toolbox and put this in the trunk of > your car, because your first repair order is a house call. Been there, done that. When I went to work at Hillcrest TV (Washington Blvd. Pasadena) in 1969 at least half of most servicing days were house calls - somedays were totally house calls. Service call "stuff": tube caddy (which also had fuses and pilot lamps, a couple of vibrators and a tube sub "pocket book"); and a tool box which held a modest quality VOM (no where near the quality of a Simpson 260); Degaussing coil, mirror with fold up stand (for convergence, etc.), pliers, dikes, soldering iron, solder, a few screw and nut drivers, small roll of hookup wire, roll of electrical tape, tuner cleaner and a bottle of Quietrol (man how I wish I had some more of that!!!!) and assorted hardware and leftovers from no telling how many years before. > This may seem like you're stranded on some desert island, but this is what > the serviceman was up against back then. To him, an AM radio was the > epitome of technology, and his magic piece of test equipment, the meter, was > such that it would load down everything it touched. That, strapped against > the high impedances of the radio, made for some real adventures in > troubleshooting, for sure. Naw. We knew better, and had other ways of going. And remember - most repair jobs then were simple - with electrolytic filters being the "usual" repair beyond a bad tube in radios. Granted- in televisions - flybacks, yokes and other "wound inductors" were common problems in TVs because the technology of the insulation materials, plus the assembly process itself wasn't kind to many of the "wound inductor" products - windings would get nicked, then fail at that point, etc. - so those were more common. Remember - back in the 50's - most stuff was new - as there had been a great "replace that old thing" campaign after WWII to help get the civilian economy back on it's feet. > Also bear in mind that components were very pricey. A tube that sold for > $7.50 back in the 30's would equate to maybe $200 today, so it wasn't quite > so easy to "just sub all the tubes and see what happens." Remember, a radio > with 6 tubes and a few coils was a huge household investment at the time, as > the parts used in it were not exactly cheap. So with less experience, > little room for substitution, and very primitive test equipment, it took a > fair amount of skill to be a serviceman. VERY few tubes were that expensive then - at least not "civilian" tubes. Tubes were 50% off "retail" to the dealer anyway - and look at "typical" prices for your (early/octal) AA5 set of tubes- The miniature AA5 tubes weren't all that expensive either. Yes they were "pricey" compared to a load of bread - but the service man could "sub and put back" if a sub didn't improve things. However - most would replace tubes as a "routine" - since a soon failed filament, etc. would foment bad feelings with the customer- so if the tubes were "getting old" - they were often "refreshed". > In the 1950's, repair shops were forced to step things up -- aquiring > VTVM's and scopes, in order to service television sets. This still seems > primitive by today's standards, but the cost at the time was quite an > investment. Again - to buy a new RCA or such o'scope off the shelf was indeed pricey - BUT there were alternative - such as the famous OS-8 which did a TON of "bench service" after WWII. And there were other options as well. > Today we have some very sophisticated test equipment and tools, > but look at what we have to deal with in today's technology. > We use today's > skills to work on yesterday's radios -- for relaxation. True - but the skill is the same (the technology sure hasn't changed in tube radios). I think the only "advantage" in using modern test equipment on vintage sets is time. It takes a LOT less time to trouble-shoot with sensitive, accurate gear. The one exception would be high performance receivers - but few service men worked on those on the civilian bench anyway - and there aren't that many who "go for the Max" on them even today. Speaking in generalities - I don't think "it's" so much a "skill" thing - electronics is, afterall - electronics. It's an "experience" thing - and when one learns by experience - then one become quite good at that thing (or starves). In that regard - I think yesterday's repair guys were just as "good" as todays. as always - just my .02 best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 317705 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:50:48 GMT Hoo boy, another thing we have to remember. It was bad enough in the old days when Philco got creative with their capacitor dots. Then later, as I recall, Philco got creative with markings of diodes and other components. The Japanese assume you know enough to add a "2S" in front of transistor numbers. You also should know enough never to confuse a choke with a resistor, by never accidentally dropping them in the worng tray. For surface mount, don't even bother, just throw it away and buy a new gizmo. But I ask, what about standards? "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:GAgve.65865$887.8958@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > Gary Tayman wrote: >> Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. >> I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 >> watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. >> My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, >> 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured >> them, and sure enough, they are 10k. > > 1% Resistors. > > Brown Black Black Red Brown > 1 0 0 10^2 1% > > 10K > > Jeff > > -- > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin > "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." > Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317706 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Free MP3's of Old 78's References: <6n2oe.2452$fp6.773@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:00:54 -0500 Larry W4CSC wrote: > Copyrights don't run out, any more. They just keep re-issuing them. Look > at the oldest hymn in any church hymnal and see, even those, someone is > being PAID to print them. What they are being "paid" for is the hymnal are the rights to THAT arrangement; and/or the copyright of the collection (known in copyright speak as anthology). Many of the "old songs" - the melody (not the arrangement) is in public domain. best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 317707 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:08:16 -0600 Message-ID: References: it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the values on things these days without some stuipid color code. randy "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:YPgve.11897$VK4.8646@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Hoo boy, another thing we have to remember. > > It was bad enough in the old days when Philco got creative with their > capacitor dots. Then later, as I recall, Philco got creative with > markings of diodes and other components. The Japanese assume you know > enough to add a "2S" in front of transistor numbers. You also should know > enough never to confuse a choke with a resistor, by never accidentally > dropping them in the worng tray. For surface mount, don't even bother, > just throw it away and buy a new gizmo. But I ask, what about standards? > > > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > news:GAgve.65865$887.8958@tornado.socal.rr.com... >> >> >> Gary Tayman wrote: >>> Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. >>> I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 >>> watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. >>> My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, >>> 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured >>> them, and sure enough, they are 10k. >> >> 1% Resistors. >> >> Brown Black Black Red Brown >> 1 0 0 10^2 1% >> >> 10K >> >> Jeff >> >> -- >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin >> "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." >> Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" > > Article: 317708 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Twin lead 300 Ohm Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:09:41 -0400 "norml" wrote in message news:c9epb1p08mj5l3bma18hr91k15t4us4q9o@4ax.com... > I think the big twin lead used on the Wave Magnet is more like 50 or 75 > ohms. Hams sometimes use it for transmitting as well as receiving. Check > ham radio dealers. (If they have anything it is likely to be brown rather > than the Zenith red, I think.) > > Norm Lehfeldt > > I suspect the idea behind the ladder line used in the wavemagnets was to minimize stray capacitance rather than being an impedance issue. At 1.6 MHz two or three feet of mismatch isn't a hill of beans, but 10-pF of unwanted capacity could destroy the highend tracking alignment to the point where the radio can't be aligned. The wavemagnet is the loop antenna for the AM band, and is directly across the tuning capacitor--a very high impedance point! I suggest measuring the stray capacitance of the correct Zenith ladder line designed for the radio, and using a length of any handy 300 to 450 ohm line that is trimmed to the same capacitance value used by Zenith. Someone on the newsgroup could probably do this for you if you can provide the TO model number. Pete BTW: Impedance is determined by the ratios of the conductors, distance, etc. 75 ohm twinlead would have rather large diameter copper closely spaced, something like heavy gauge lamp cord... Peter Article: 317709 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:12:36 -0700 Message-ID: <12793-42BD9E94-329@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> References: Hey Randy By jewels don't you mean joules? After all, it'd be hard to make jokes about the family joules (not to mention Joules Verne). Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 11:32:41 -0700 Message-ID: <11br8rrcv8onl96@corp.supernews.com> References: <11bqi5ne6s1pc16@corp.supernews.com> <7_cve.1651$qm.565@bignews6.bellsouth.net> <11bqo8dpf1o8910@corp.supernews.com> Forgive me.. joules. Metric energy units. Named after a French scientist. Thanks for the extra info. Article: 317711 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:45:06 -0400 Also, the new secret code for caps is a bother, a .0047 is 472K. Takes the same space as the capacity. I can remember that bad boys rape our young girls, but I have trouble with this. Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > Am I dense? Maybe it's just me? I don't understand this one. > > I get my components from a lot of sources -- sometimes I buy them new, and > other times I find "lots" at surplus stores or area swap meets. I recently > bought a big set of trays badged "Ohmite Little Devils" full of resistors -- > not necessarily Ohmite, but enough resistors to warrant getting them along > with the storage trays. > > Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. I > pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 watt > resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. My > first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, 2% > tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured them, and > sure enough, they are 10k. > > So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would > be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is > this some new standard for China or someplace? > > Article: 317712 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:26:08 -0700 Message-ID: <11brc02j1trhhd5@corp.supernews.com> References: > Also, the new secret code for caps is a bother, a .0047 is 472K. Takes > the same space as the capacity. I can remember that bad boys rape our > young girls, but I have trouble with this. Ken What so hard about 4700 pF? Article: 317713 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 12:23:04 -0700 Message-ID: <29708-42BDAF18-253@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> References: <11br8rrcv8onl96@corp.supernews.com> William: What're you apologizin' for? It wasn't you who said jewels 'stead of joules. Now if you got sagging *jowls* that would be another matter. oc Article: 317714 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:46:02 -0600 Message-ID: References: "Rick" wrote in message news:poive.11478$pa3.7785@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > "xrongor" wrote in message > news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... >> it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the > values on >> things these days without some stuipid color code. >> >> randy > > Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) im not arguing. i am color blind. color codes suck. randy Article: 317715 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:49:12 -0600 Message-ID: howdy all. well, i have a shot at about 1000 tubes. the stockpile of an old radio repair guy that just died. i do not want to go through each tube and try and price them, but i dont want to rip the guy off either. a quick runthrough showed a few 12AX7's, standard AA5 tubes, a few flavors of 6v6's, etc. so in short it doesnt seem like a bunch of useless tubes. but i just have no idea what to offer. what is standard pricing on a lot of untested tubes like this? what should i offer the guy? he's a friend, so we're just trying to come up with a 'fair' price. thx randy Article: 317716 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bartley Subject: OT - my email is down Message-ID: <3tive.80778$Kk4.1346916@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:43:02 -0400 Sorry for the OT post. There are a couple of folks looking for me by email - I can read them, but can't respond - trouble should be repaired by Monday - will reply then. cheers and thanks -- regards from :: John Bartley 43 Norway Spruce Street Stittsville, Ontario Canada, K2S1P5 ( If you slow down it takes longer - does that apply to life also?) Article: 317717 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: Message-ID: <33e54$42bdb8a6$82a12456$7425@news1.tudelft.nl> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:03:50 +0200 Ken wrote: > Also, the new secret code for caps is a bother, a .0047 is 472K. Takes > the same space as the capacity. I can remember that bad boys rape our > young girls, but I have trouble with this. Ken 472 works the same way as yellow-purple-red... The K is either for voltage or for temperature coefficient, I keep forgetting that. --- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 317718 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: <33e54$42bdb8a6$82a12456$7425@news1.tudelft.nl> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:47:35 -0400 What is the K for, that's what's been screwing me up? maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote: > Ken wrote: > >>Also, the new secret code for caps is a bother, a .0047 is 472K. Takes >>the same space as the capacity. I can remember that bad boys rape our >>young girls, but I have trouble with this. Ken > > > 472 works the same way as yellow-purple-red... The K is either for > voltage or for temperature coefficient, I keep forgetting that. > > --- > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Maarten Bakker. Article: 317719 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 13:33:22 -0700 Message-ID: References: Gary Tayman wrote: > Am I dense? Maybe it's just me? I don't understand this one. > > I get my components from a lot of sources -- sometimes I buy them new, and > other times I find "lots" at surplus stores or area swap meets. I recently > bought a big set of trays badged "Ohmite Little Devils" full of resistors -- > not necessarily Ohmite, but enough resistors to warrant getting them along > with the storage trays. > > Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. I > pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 watt > resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. My > first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, 2% > tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured them, and > sure enough, they are 10k. > > So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would > be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is > this some new standard for China or someplace? > > You have to count the bands now.....I have been seeing this type of resistor here in Silicon Valley for a long time. In the beginning, I was stumped also, but I soon figured it out and adapted. This came about after they figured out how to make resistors with gnat's-nut tolerances. That permitted precision such that odd values could be produced. Unfortunately the resolution of the color coding standard in use at the time was not good enough to accurately represent the resistance of these odd value resistors. I have some 475K resistors in one of my drawers that are banded yellow, violet, green, orange, black. There's no way to represent that value using the classic 4 band system so they modified it at some point. What that means is that a red multiplier does not represent a four-figure resistance value in this system, as you discovered. I have also seen many resistors with the numerical values printed on them. As my eyesight has declined due to age (can't close-up focus nearly as well as a few years ago), I have grown to hate these things. They are also very hard to see sometimes when actually installed on a pc board. I like the banding method a lot better. -Scott Article: 317720 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:50:32 -0400 Does anyone have a 'rule of thumb' for reading these 5 band resistors? Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > Am I dense? Maybe it's just me? I don't understand this one. > > I get my components from a lot of sources -- sometimes I buy them new, and > other times I find "lots" at surplus stores or area swap meets. I recently > bought a big set of trays badged "Ohmite Little Devils" full of resistors -- > not necessarily Ohmite, but enough resistors to warrant getting them along > with the storage trays. > > Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. I > pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 watt > resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. My > first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, 2% > tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured them, and > sure enough, they are 10k. > > So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this would > be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more zeros. Is > this some new standard for China or someplace? > > Article: 317721 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:52:52 -0400 "xrongor" wrote in message news:d9kcfk$bmdc$1@news3.infoave.net... > howdy all. > > well, i have a shot at about 1000 tubes. the stockpile of an old radio > repair guy that just died. > Randy.. New, or used? If used, tested????? NOS? Important details to know, and the exact tubes in the pile are important. NOS, run of the mill common tubes, maybe 25 to 75 cents each for a lot buy. There will be a lot of tubes you may never use! Pete Article: 317722 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Heathkit Signal Generator questions References: <1119723631.418602.25500@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:56:08 GMT Porky wrote: > 1. If I get it working, is it likely to inject a lot of noise and hum, > and am I better off with a digital unit? Opinions may vary. I will need > new filter caps, but is it a waste of $$? Not if all your test equipment is properly grounded. (As usual, use isolation transformers if working on a hot chassis.) > 2. Besides the rectifier tube, there's also a selenium rectifier ans a > silcon diode. The tube appears to be part of the modulation circuit, is > that right? while the selenium unit is in the power supply. The solid > state diode has been soldered across the selenium's lugs. Would it not > be correct to take the selenium unit out of the circuit completely, > disconnect one lug, and perhaps add a resistor in series with the SS > diode? Remove the selenium rectifier and use the silicon diode by itself on a terminal strip. Perhaps it might do to add a 50-100 ohm 2 watt resistor in series. It helps the B+ come back down to where it should be, and allows the filter electrolytics to do their job properly with a higher source resistance. (I.e. better filtering) Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 317723 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Arrrrggg !!! References: <12793-42BD9E94-329@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:56:09 -0500 Bill Sheppard wrote: > Hey Randy > By jewels don't you mean joules? After all, it'd be > hard to make jokes about the family joules (not to mention Joules > Verne). Bill(oc) > There's a bet going of how many of these I can slip by - and so far I've been nailed every time. Not bad for a bunch of "old farts" and "incompetents", huh! best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 317724 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42BDC4FE.9050107@ix.netcom.com> From: David Stinson Subject: One Last Try Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:56:36 GMT Some time ago, I printed-out a shipping label for a Mr. Don Butterly of Abington, PA. I have no idea why...... none. This seems to happen to me more and more often.... Must be the old "Here After" disease- (symptom: you come down stairs, then stand in the kitchen thinking: "What am I here after??" Obviously, I was going to send him something. I thought I'd ask one more time before throwing the label away. Dave S. Article: 317725 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: They aren't all Black Beauties References: <17443-42BBF4B3-1@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net> <8cWue.85620$x96.337@attbi_s72> <1119731014.242996.120500@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <31199$42bdc7a2$82a12456$3931@news2.tudelft.nl> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:07:46 +0200 Porky wrote: > Don't worry. > Serious guitar pickers who travel and play in public get new caps put > into their vintage amps. Only a fool would head to a gig with an amp > full of rotten paper cigars, especially with 450 vdc on them. The black beauties apparently have their qualities when used in the filter on the guitar itself, low voltage, no harm done. --- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 317726 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:21:55 GMT > what is standard pricing on a lot of > untested tubes like this Untested, you have to assume that they're duds, especially if they're not in the original boxes. If they're mostly small 7, 9 & 11 pin tubes that are loose, they're not worth much. That kind of number, I wouldn't give .10 each for them. Now if they are large 4 and 5 pin tubes from the 20's, that's a different story... Ron Article: 317727 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Mikael Carlsson Subject: A nice Zenith 8-A-128 found in Sweden Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:22:01 +0200 Message-ID: <3i608bFjr74cU1@individual.net> Hi, I recently bought a Zenith radio from an internet auction site in Sweden. The seller did not know anything about radios, the only picture shown was this: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-8-A-128.jpg Based on that picture I assumed that the radio was a 6-S-128. When I received it (with a broken dial cover thanks to very poor packaging) I realized that it was a 8-A-128. When I googled around I learned that it either was a full-band or an export radio. Looking at the back of the radio I found this little sign: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-custom-sign.jpg This was another surprise to me, the town mentioned on the sign (Malmö) is the town where I was born in 59. I assume that Kurt Broberg was the importer of the radio. Here is a pic with the chassis information: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-chassis-info.jpg Here I found the chassis information (5802) and the serial number and the type 8A128 with an A added. The schematic for a 5802 chassis is here: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/5802.gif The radio have had some minor repairs and a mouse had built himself a nice house with a newspaper from 1952. One of the filter caps (2/8 uf) shows some sign of 'growing': http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-fried-cap.jpg One resistor have had to much to do: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-fried-resistor.jpg The other filter cap (16uf) have been replaced with a 32uf and another filter cap (32uf) have been added at a weird place. The back-cover does not look right: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-back-cover.jpg Do any of you have a picture of a back-cover from a 6S128 or 8S128`so that I can compare against mine? The radio will be recapped by regutting the wax capacitors and the filter caps. To find an old Zenith radio in Sweden is quite rare, I have only seen two so far, mine and one in a museum. I paid about $170 for it and guess that it is a fare price. Well, I will post more info and update the website as I progress with the restoration. I have searched for new grill cloth but have failed to find the right type. Mine looks like this: http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-grillcloth.jpg Where can I find this type? Sincerely, Mikael Article: 317728 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: bulk tube pricing need advice fast pls Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 15:58:25 -0600 Message-ID: References: " Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:TVjve.15259$k24.192141@twister.southeast.rr.com... >> what is standard pricing on a lot of >> untested tubes like this > > Untested, you have to assume that they're duds, > especially if they're not in the original boxes. > > If they're mostly small 7, 9 & 11 pin tubes > that are loose, they're not worth much. > That kind of number, I wouldn't give .10 each > for them. > > Now if they are large 4 and 5 pin tubes from > the 20's, that's a different story... hey guys. thanks for the responses. they are mostly new philco tubes, in their original boxes. and mostly the large pin count/smaller tubes. not a high count of any one tube either from what i can tell. apparantly it was the old guys stock of replacements. what really sucks, the 'display' type tube tester (the ones where you you would walk into the store and test your own tubes) went to the dump last week... apparantly with a bunch of tubes still in the cabinet part below it. dammit. ah well. at least my friend got there in time to save the bulk of the tubes. but i sure would have liked that tester... we talked about it some more after reading the responses, and decided 50$ for the lot. dont see how i could go too far wrong for that. well, im off to sort through the goody box! thx randy Article: 317729 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <3i608bFjr74cU1@individual.net> Subject: Re: A nice Zenith 8-A-128 found in Sweden Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:38:12 GMT Mikael, it sounds like you are one very fortunate person, other than suffering from incompetant shipping practices. You've also found the right venue to find help, and since I'm still learning,someone with much better skills than I have should reply shortly. I did want to say that the cabinet is very nice (even with the bowed rib on the grille) and not having to go major work on the cabinet is a great bonus. congratultions on a nice purchase, indeed! "Mikael Carlsson" wrote in message news:3i608bFjr74cU1@individual.net... | Hi, | | I recently bought a Zenith radio from an internet auction site in | Sweden. The seller did not know anything about radios, the only picture | shown was this: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-8-A-128.jpg | | Based on that picture I assumed that the radio was a 6-S-128. | When I received it (with a broken dial cover thanks to very poor | packaging) I realized that it was a 8-A-128. | | When I googled around I learned that it either was a full-band or an | export radio. Looking at the back of the radio I found this little sign: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-custom-sign.jpg | This was another surprise to me, the town mentioned on the sign (Malmö) | is the town where I was born in 59. I assume that Kurt Broberg was the | importer of the radio. | | Here is a pic with the chassis information: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-chassis-info.jpg | Here I found the chassis information (5802) and the serial number and | the type 8A128 with an A added. | | The schematic for a 5802 chassis is here: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/5802.gif | | The radio have had some minor repairs and a mouse had built himself a | nice house with a newspaper from 1952. | | One of the filter caps (2/8 uf) shows some sign of 'growing': | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-fried-cap.jpg | | One resistor have had to much to do: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-fried-resistor.jpg | | The other filter cap (16uf) have been replaced with a 32uf and another | filter cap (32uf) have been added at a weird place. | | The back-cover does not look right: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-back-cover.jpg | Do any of you have a picture of a back-cover from a 6S128 or 8S128`so | that I can compare against mine? | | The radio will be recapped by regutting the wax capacitors and the | filter caps. | | To find an old Zenith radio in Sweden is quite rare, I have only seen | two so far, mine and one in a museum. I paid about $170 for it and guess | that it is a fare price. | | Well, I will post more info and update the website as I progress with | the restoration. | | I have searched for new grill cloth but have failed to find the right | type. Mine looks like this: | http://www.bostream.nu/nostalgi/zenith/Zenith-grillcloth.jpg | Where can I find this type? | | Sincerely, | Mikael Article: 317730 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Scharf Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: Message-ID: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:51:47 -0400 Rick wrote: > "xrongor" wrote in message > news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... > >>it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the > > values on > >>things these days without some stuipid color code. >> >>randy > > > Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) > > Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? Article: 317731 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119597828.623702.319450@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0d6dnY8yPujeOCDfRVn-tA@sigecom.net> Subject: Re: Do gramophones need special records? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:53:13 GMT "Bruce Mercer" wrote in message news:0d6dnY8yPujeOCDfRVn-tA@sigecom.net... | | "Gary Tayman" wrote in message | news:mIcve.12741$eM6.6746@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... | > Is there such a thing as a gramophone that plays 33's? | | Hmmm...guess you didn't bother to read my post. I repeat...there is no such | machine. Yes and no...the PT disks were a recording format, and the biggest problem would have been affordability compared to other systems in use at the time using more "standard" formats that could be played on all phonographs. | | >The first 33rpm records were made by RCA in 1931 and were called PT's, | >short for program transcriptions. One (of many) problem with these was the | >fact that only a few RCA players could handle them, and I believe all of | >them were electronic players. I don't know the needle size, but I would | >assume they're the 3 mil, just like "standard" 78's of the period. | | These records had a slightly smaller groove than their regular 78's and used | special needles. These records were a dismal failure and were quickly | withdrawn | from the market. | | | > Who made the gramophone? The earliest flat ones were Edison, which | played | > 1/4 inch thick records at 80 rpm. These records were vertical cut, so the | > diaphragm on the needle is horizontal. All the later units played the | > more practical thinner records at 78 rpm, with horizontal cut, and the | > players had a vertical diaphragm. | | The earliest disk records were Berliner, Johnson, Victor, Columbia etc. | Edison entered | the disk business late...1912 and his machines both cylinder and disc were | called phonographs, | not gramophones. | Emile Berliner is usually credited as having introduced the flat disc format. Flat discs are what made the record industry take off finally, as in easier to duplicate, store and longer playing capabilites (and could you find track 2 on a cylinder?) and more affordable to the masses. Berliner's ideas would have been used eventually by somebody if not then as they would make far too much sense to avoid. | | > In either case, be sure to stock up on needles, as the steel needles on | > these players didn't last long. It is wise to use a new needle every time | > you play a record -- and avoid playing the later 1940-s records, as the | > modulation level was such that they could blow a needle partway through | > the record. | | Agreed. BTW...the above is not nit picking but an attempt not to blur the | facts and | water down history with misinformation. | | Bruce | | Article: 317732 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <1119545960.710244.314320@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1119701726.536123.30300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FS: clearing out the garage garage sale Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 22:56:56 GMT Dan, when would that have been? I don't keep stuff for long and when the disk controller freezes up every 30 min or so one has to dodge about to keep going. "twomuttheads" wrote in message news:1119701726.536123.30300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... | Steve??? sent me an email about the Seeburg jukebox, but my spam | cleaner knocked it out. Please resend and I'll look for it. | Article: 317733 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: <21153-429B32C3-232@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Listening to OTR Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:04:19 GMT "Larry W4CSC" wrote in message news:Xns96806C20B7BE2w4csc@63.223.7.253... | "Steven Dinius" wrote in | news:X1Hme.8216$Cz3.970411@monger.newsread.com: | | > I just wish I had all those crappy old cassettes I taped from an old | > tubed clock radio in the seventies of the old KIDO 63 when they were | > close to switching the AOR format to the new FM, Q104. Ahhhh, | > Pre-classic Classic Rock! ~~~~~ | posted....when you get bored with TV and MP3 files...(c; | Now you'll need a TV transmitter that takes input from DiVX or VCD files... | | -- | Larry I have a half decent capture card/MPEG-2 decoder with TV out and most crap I need which I bought for $5 in a lot at the local auction (Sigma?) that I shall be playing with when Wildcat finally returns from the shop and I can have time to build Century 8 out of the remains on this one... | You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in | chalk. Article: 317734 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:09:43 GMT Because there are older folk who can't read the damn BOARD printing well with out magnification? At least you aren't dealing with surface mount microscopic blobs of whatever like on a motherboard... "xrongor" wrote in message news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... | it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the values on | things these days without some stuipid color code. | | randy | | "Gary Tayman" wrote in message | news:YPgve.11897$VK4.8646@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... | > Hoo boy, another thing we have to remember. | > | > It was bad enough in the old days when Philco got creative with their | > capacitor dots. Then later, as I recall, Philco got creative with | > markings of diodes and other components. The Japanese assume you know | > enough to add a "2S" in front of transistor numbers. You also should know | > enough never to confuse a choke with a resistor, by never accidentally | > dropping them in the worng tray. For surface mount, don't even bother, | > just throw it away and buy a new gizmo. But I ask, what about standards? | > | > | > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message | > news:GAgve.65865$887.8958@tornado.socal.rr.com... | >> | >> | >> Gary Tayman wrote: | >>> Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. | >>> I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 | >>> watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. | >>> My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, | >>> 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured | >>> them, and sure enough, they are 10k. | >> | >> 1% Resistors. | >> | >> Brown Black Black Red Brown | >> 1 0 0 10^2 1% | >> | >> 10K | >> | >> Jeff | >> | >> -- | >> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary | >> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin | >> "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." | >> Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" | > | > | | Article: 317735 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 16:11:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:08:31 +0000, Gary Tayman wrote: > Am I dense? Maybe it's just me? I don't understand this one. > > I get my components from a lot of sources -- sometimes I buy them new, > and other times I find "lots" at surplus stores or area swap meets. I > recently bought a big set of trays badged "Ohmite Little Devils" full of > resistors -- not necessarily Ohmite, but enough resistors to warrant > getting them along with the storage trays. > > Today I needed two 10k resistors for a 56 Lincoln radio I'm working on. > I pulled out a tray, and under "10,000" I found several new dipped 1/2 > watt resistors. They are marked brown, black, black, red, space, brown. > My first reaction (how would you read this?) was that these are 10 ohm, > 2% tolerance that somehow made it to the wrong tray. But I measured > them, and sure enough, they are 10k. > > So what gives? Are we now dealing with four digits? I suppose this > would be brown=1, black=zero, black= another zero, and red=two more > zeros. Is this some new standard for China or someplace? Here's a quick explanation. 3 and 4 band resistors are 20%, 10%, or 5% tolerance. 5 band resistors are 1% tolerance. The tighter the tolerance the more values are available. They ran out of possibilities around 2%. Read them the same except the 1% ones have one more digit and the last band is brown (1%). These have been around for some time but they have gotten cheap enough to use everywhere. There are also ones marked by numbers printed on them. Read them the same way. The first two or three digits are significant figures and the last is the multiplier. If the letter R is present, it indicates a decimal point. This system is also used on surface mount resistors (the ones that have marked values). The digits on capacitors are read the same way. The ones with printed numbers have the tolerance indicated with a letter after the value: M=20%, K=10%, J=5%, G=2%, and F=1% (and some other less common ones). Thus a capacitor marked 472K has a value of 4700pF 10%. A resistor marked 2212F has a value of 22.1K 1% (if it had color bands it would be red red brown red brown). This is all straightforward enough. The problem comes with parts made in the orient. They frequently don't use paint with clearly different colors; red, brown, and orange look alike as do blue, green, and violet. white, yellow, and silver can be confusing. I hope this helps. If it is still confusing, I can make up more examples. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 317736 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius" References: Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:11:23 GMT "Rick" wrote in message news:poive.11478$pa3.7785@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net... | | "xrongor" wrote in message | news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... | > it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the | values on | > things these days without some stuipid color code. | > | > randy | | Oh boy-another "code" vs "no code" argument : ) Hope it doesn't shift to CW and novice licenses ;-0 Article: 317737 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: New resistor color code? References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <228e8$42bde4be$82a12456$13774@news1.tudelft.nl> Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 01:11:58 +0200 Ken Scharf wrote: > Sometimes they do. Quick, what value is 103? > or 123? Not what you first think. How about 1K3? 10k, 12k, 1300 ohms... I fail to see why that would be hard? The first two values are exactly the same as the corresponding colour codes would be, the last value has the K instead of the decimal point, as is commonly used in (European) schematics. In case of capacitors, just think picofarad ;-) --- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 317738 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: New resistor color code? Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:13:18 -0600 Message-ID: References: <6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net> "Ken Scharf" wrote in message news:6dlve.6791$Bm.662@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > Rick wrote: >> "xrongor" wrote in message >> news:d9k6ic$bk2n$1@news3.infoave.net... >> >>>it's 2005. personally i dont see why they just dont print the >> >> values on >> >>>things these days without some stuipid color code. >>> >>>randy >> >> >> Oh boy-another "co