Article: 319696 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: refinishing Q .....smooth spots? Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:44:56 -0600 Message-ID: References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> <5f3ba$42e588aa$4232bd23$28500@COQUI.NET> <7e4a5$42e599e6$4232bd23$25835@COQUI.NET> "-ex-" wrote in message news:7e4a5$42e599e6$4232bd23$25835@COQUI.NET... > xrongor wrote: > >> "-ex-" wrote in message >> news:5f3ba$42e588aa$4232bd23$28500@COQUI.NET... >> >>>phil < philsvintageradios wrote: >>> > >> >> i agree. i use sanding sponges myself, but anything with some give that >> can get into those low spots will work. >> >> but to answer your question, if you want it flat, you gotta sand it flat. >> and nothing substitutes for flat. >> >> randy > > Nothing substitutes for sanding the WOOD flat beforehand. Lacquer isn't > intended to level out uneven surfaces. Of course you don't often see how > ripply a surface is until you shoot some lacquer on it! when you rub it down with mineral spirits before putting the laquer on, use a light to look across the surface. similiar to doing drywall mud. if its puddling anywhere you can usually see it. randy From philsvintageradios<----- remove ----- Thu Jul 28 09:44:15 EDT 2005 Article: 319697 of rec.antiques.radio+phono X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.86.62.131 From: phil < philsvintageradios<----- remove ----->@yahoo.ca > Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: refinishing Q .....smooth spots? Message-ID: References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 99 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 04:49:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.59.144.75 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: pd7tw2no 1122353361 64.59.144.75 (Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:49:21 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:49:21 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!chiapp19.algx.com!dca1-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed.news2me.com!peer01.west.cox.net!cox.net!pd7cy1no!shaw.ca!pd7tw2no.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319697 On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 23:04:15 -0400, "Mark Oppat" wrote: >Phil wrote: >>>>>Most old radios didn't have that piano finish. The "texture" of the >wood comes through to some degree. if not from the factory, then from >age and shrinkage. > > >Phil, >You have to qualify that statement... because 20's era sets were mostly >shellac based varnishes as far as I know and then by 1932 most sets were >laquered and finished much smoother. > >Mark Oppat > > > " to quantify it: Take a Eropean radio. That was finished to a high finish. I don't mean just the reflective surface ( sheen) but run your fingers across the grain, it feels perfectly smooth. Now look at a run of the mill, say 1940's GE set , you will feel the grain. it isn't completely filled in like the european set. Ok some were, but I don't think all were taken to a high sheen , not like The euro radios. That Expensive cathedral refered to in the other post was a good example. one look tells you it was obviously refinished. No radio that old has a smooth surface like that, even if well cared for. (not to knock it , I think it looks beautiful) Maybe it had a high shine in the showroom, but unless someone refinished it or used furniture polish all the time, it wouldn't be dead flat like that. I think part of the reason is because the grain does not all shrink at the same rate. the grain is made up of softer parts, voids, and harder parts, and so as it shrinks over time the surface is not dead smooth anymore. This is a normal part of aging, as is some warping. >From what I have thought about with refinishing radios, what we are usually aiming for is to finish with somethingt looks like it had perfect storage for all it's life, but not necessarily to make it look like it just rolled in off the showroom floor. To be more clear about what I meant by "shiny spot" if one were to spray two or three coats of laquer evenly over the surface and stop, they would be left with a finish that looked ok, it wouldn't look abnormal. If you ran your fingertips across it you could still feel the grain. ,but that wouldn't be particularily objectionable. It would take a fraction of the time that it would to make it as smooth as our ebay example. Now, If you put too much on one side it would fill the grain to the point where you could no longer be able to feel the grain , and it wouldn't be easy to make it like the other side, so in order to make it match you would have to fill the other side.. this is what I meant by "shiny spot",, maybe not a great term, I admit. I am referring to laquering. French polishing is a whole different principle. in this case you can push the suff around, into the voids. Some of the finishes I have done, I didn't want to dig down sanding into the raw wood, but rather , removed almost all of the orrigional laquer. but not all of it. either I didn't want to remove labels, or didn't want to play with the origional surface. , so grain filling wasn't an option.. you can't use grain filler unless it is on the bare wood , right? I really haven't used much grain filler. maybe I thought it would tend to hide the grain.. I do have some. When a radio ages , the laquer yellows. if not removed it still shows when refinished because some of the yellowed laquer is missing in spots. ( where it was scratched) In the past I have attempted to remove most of this old yellowed laquer and build a new fresh coat. Perhaps adding tint to the laquer is one way to help hide these scratches, then we would be filling yellowed laquer with more of the same. In many cases it seems like the laquer is so darkened that it hides the beauty of the wood. Sorry to make the post so long and wordy. I don't seem to be able to keep the words down to a minimum, and I don't pretend to be an expert refinisher either. I am learnig , and the reason why I asked is because I find myself repeatedly flooding the whole surface and sanding 90 percent of it off in order to fill that one little void. It takes lots of time to do a good job, I just think sometimes , that I must be doing it the hard way. Phil Article: 319698 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Now that's one expensive cathedral Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:46:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > Ken wrote: > >> Ron, are they as glossy as the Magi ones, I can't tell. >> > > I wouldn't call it a piano finish, but they are shiny. > The 82 on ebay was way overdone. > It's interesting that someone would pay that much for a very > non-original radio. > > Ron Keep in mind, too, that normal exposure to UV will take some of the edge off a glossy finish. So often, an "original" finish isn't really the original finish! That being said, I don't know of too many Cathdrals that were originally given the piano treatment....most seem to be satin or matte finishes, or a very subtle gloss. -Scott Article: 319699 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: OT: Political rant. Was Re: Good morning all Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:01:26 -0700 Message-ID: References: <42e57c45@nntp.onyx.net> Larry wrote: > "Martin Crossley" wrote in > news:42e57c45@nntp.onyx.net: > > >>For once, Britain doesn't sound quite as bad a rip-off as usual! >> > > > How much is petrol, now, Martin? It's about $US0.54/litre ($2.25/US > gallon) here in Charleston, SC. > Our rip-off reformulated gas here in California is $2.59/gallon. That's outrageous, but it ain't nothin' compared to this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4424547.stm Just a couple of short hairs away from 1 GBP/litre! At these prices one would think that hybrid cars would be burning up the sales charts in the UK..... -Scott Article: 319700 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:14:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> pgonshor@aol.com wrote: > My hearse will be pullin' a U-haul. > Dave > (actually, cremation makes it difficult to have these thing buried with > you. I want the family (first) and the world to have them, really). > One old collector I know from a very long time ago requested that he be buried in his casket clutching one of his Trans-Oceanics. AFAIK, his widow honored the request. I'm seriously thinking about requesting that a picture of a Zenith Blackdial be engraved (or perhaps laser etched) on my Tombstone after I die. What better for a radio nut like me? A tombstone with a tombstone.....Ah, the irony! -Scott From daxtATpacifierDOTcom Thu Jul 28 09:44:16 EDT 2005 Article: 319701 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "David Axt" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Ultralinear transformers? Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 22:25:41 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <11ebiaha7hc4i59@corp.supernews.com> Reply-To: "David Axt" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319701 How do they work and why are they called "ultralinear"? Thanks. I will take my answer of the air. -David Article: 319702 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: refinishing Q .....smooth spots? References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 08:23:46 -0400 As someone stated in a former thread on old set finishes, I believe a finish was sprayed on, which included the color, sheen and toner, all in one wack. I just removed the fromt panel of a Philco 90 and noticed where the panel was covered by the frame there was no finish at all. They put the cabinet together first and hit it with their mix, which makes sense on an assembly line. Ken Mark Oppat wrote: > Phil wrote: > >>>>>Most old radios didn't have that piano finish. The "texture" of the > > wood comes through to some degree. if not from the factory, then from > age and shrinkage. > > > Phil, > You have to qualify that statement... because 20's era sets were mostly > shellac based varnishes as far as I know and then by 1932 most sets were > laquered and finished much smoother. > > Mark Oppat > > > > Article: 319703 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Vintage stereo info? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 09:06:20 -0700 Message-ID: <12948-42E65F7C-629@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net> References: >From Mark O.: >PETER fer chrissakes, why do you keep >provoking this guy??? =A0 He was being >good and you have to go and poke him. =A0 >Quit doing that please YES. The banner of the Left is compassion, caring, and understanding for the less fortunate, misunderstood, and challenged among us, is it not? Bill(oc) Article: 319704 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: Political rant. Was Re: Good morning all From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <42e57c45@nntp.onyx.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:26:55 GMT In article , NOT_MY_REAL@email.com says... > > >Our rip-off reformulated gas here in California is $2.59/gallon. That's >outrageous > >-Scott > The Gas Companies are complaining about making some 12 or 15 different blends... depending on what part of the country your selling the stuff in.. they claim that costs them a bunch... maybe as a Nation they should take One Blend and make it uniform for the rest of the country might make it cheaper?.... Would be a good question for the Gubmint to ask the Oil Co's.... Probably the CA blend is the most expensive of the lot?... Strange that I am 2 hours away from Indianapolis.... and 4 hours away from Chicago... and our Gas is always 20 cents higher than Indy.... about the same I think as Chicago which I know is a different blend.. think somebody is bending us over a little here... John k9uwa From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Thu Jul 28 09:44:17 EDT 2005 Article: 319705 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:30:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1122395402 66.65.49.245 (Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:30:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:30:02 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319705 In article , Scott W. Harvey wrote: > A tombstone with a tombstone.....Ah, the irony! What do YOU want on your tombstone. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Thu Jul 28 09:44:17 EDT 2005 Article: 319706 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: Vintage stereo info? References: <11du9i1bb2nbm31@corp.supernews.com> <1122053228.766080.147180@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122057007.138838.317010@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122064494.479266.221230@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1122067203.519424.105440@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122068529.452182.227510@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122086607.359801.187070@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <8dtFe.1553$5g.774@tornado.socal.rr.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 14 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:34:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1122395689 66.65.49.245 (Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:34:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:34:49 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319706 In article <8dtFe.1553$5g.774@tornado.socal.rr.com>, Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > Pay attention Mark, Skippy has NEVER been "good." > There have only been times when he has been absent due Jeff & Peter. Mark's right though, guys. It's all calm now. Why go start stirring that stew all over again? -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 319707 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Browser" Subject: Re: Ultralinear transformers? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:41:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: <11ebiaha7hc4i59@corp.supernews.com> <1122376834.296691.240210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "David Hafler (and ?) is given credit for developing this configuration" Maybe so, with emphasis on "developing" i.e. improving, as opposed to "inventing". Alan Blumlein patented (US 496,883) the concept in 1937. Kind regards Dave McDonald Johannesburg wrote in message news:1122376834.296691.240210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > David Axt wrote: >> How do they work and why are they called "ultralinear"? >> >> Thanks. I will take my answer of the air. >> >> -David > > Hi Dave, > > Topic sort of OT for this group- don't you hang at rec.audio.tubes too > (? maybe you didn't want to start a flame war there.) > > Short answer : an 'ultralinear' output transformer has additional > primary winding tap(s) for connection to a beam power tetrode or > pentode's 'screen' element(s). Rather than 'waste' the power tube's > modulated screen current (usually voltage dropped / current limited > through fixed 'screen resistors' off of B+, i.e. the 470 ohm units > you're used to seeing in a typical push-pull Fender output circuit), > the tube's screen current is drawn through the output transformer > (which allows the modulated screen current to be 'added' to the over > all circuit signal output, hence the power difference i.e. between > Fender 'regular 100 watt' Twin Reverbs and 'ultralinear 135 watt' Twin > Reverbs.) > > The term 'ultralinear' refers to the fact that when enabling said tube > screen connections to the output transformer, additional local negative > feedback is developed in the circuit's operation (that improves the > stage's transfer characteristic linearity, increased negative feedback > = lower measured output signal distortion.) FWIW David Hafler (and ?) > is given credit for developing this configuration. > > -Robert > Article: 319708 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Anyone need a tuner subber? References: <1122384839.396684.267430@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 12:46:05 -0400 He could have wiped it down in less time than it took to explain why he didn't wipe it down.... :) Ken tschw10117@aol.com wrote: > On ebay # 5789666467 > > For 99 cents. Not mine. > > Terry. > Article: 319709 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" Subject: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:30:03 GMT I'm working on a Bulova 4 tube (1 volt types) battery/AC portable. It has a "Aerovox 0.1 uf resonant capacitor at 455Khz from circuit ground to chassis. I put his cap on the B&K checker and verified 0.1 then in series with two different resistors each (50, 15000 ohms) and a signal gen. I tried to see the resonant point (455k) by monitoring the voltage across the resistor to no avail. Questions: Is this a bad test? Should I use a different series resistor? How critical is the fact this is supposed to be "resonant"? Can it be replaced with a standard cap? What should I replace this with for the restoration? There is a gimmick described in the RDH4 to leave the leads on a 0.01 uf cap (different cap value) 1/2 in long each to make it a resonant circuit (I did not catch the frequency). Thanks in advance, Paul P. Article: 319710 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Al Z." Subject: ABPR Problems? Message-ID: <1122400276.2dbad204910660f9d32ce1dd94c2ed01@teranews> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:50:03 -0400 Lately only 1 or 2 messages show up (If any at all, that is.). Also, last week I posted a message with pictures inquiring about a GE combo set and got no replies. Is there a problem with the group. Thanks in advance. Article: 319711 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "arne thormodsen" References: <1122349240.534144.284480@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Soldering Guns? We Don't Need No Stinking Soldering Guns. Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:05:21 GMT "Jim Elfelt" wrote in message news:1122349240.534144.284480@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Check out this new product called "Nanofoil" > http://www.rntfoil.com/rnt-foils/technology.html > > It apparently uses some sort of rapid, heat-producing checmical > reaction to melt solder in a highly localized spot. I wonder what > ignites the reaction? > It appears that the reaction is the alloying (mixing) of metals that are deposited separately in thin layers initially. Pretty clever. I'll bet you apply a little heat to one spot, maybe using a laser, to get it going. The it self-propagates. As the different metal atoms intermix they give off heat. Sort of a self-melting solder. --arne > Jim Elfelt > Amarillo, TX > Article: 319712 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:16:44 -1200 "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message news:slrndecp8a.26u.stephanie@home3.gordsven.com... > In article , Scott W. Harvey wrote: > >> A tombstone with a tombstone.....Ah, the irony! > > What do YOU want on your tombstone. > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, U.S.A Strange but true..... Once I was sitting near an intersection and seen going in one direction, a Hearse with the Funeral procession behind it It had no sooner passed, that a Delivery Truck labeled what else ? "Tombstone Pizza" was coming from the direction the Funeral was headed. clf. Article: 319713 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: Political rant. Was Re: Good morning all From: Larry References: <42e57c45@nntp.onyx.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:22:28 -0400 "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in news:dc4fko02ib1@news3.newsguy.com: > Just a couple of short hairs away from 1 GBP/litre! At these prices one > would think that hybrid cars would be burning up the sales charts in the > UK..... > > -Scott > > > Hybrid cars are burning up the charts at FIREHOUSES in the USA. Some firemen carving people out of wrecked hybrids have been ELECTROCUTED by the 400 volts DC battery packs in the central power cables. They're sending firemen to special classes telling them how to deal with this new threat. Wonder what happens to the passengers?? I have a friend, here in SC, who is from Thun, Berner Oberland, Switzerland. Fuel is so expensive, with all the socialism taxes, over there that Swiss drivers actually shut down the cars waiting for the traffic lights to change, he tells me! We'll be doing that here, shortly. Scary this summer....Diesel fuel for my vehicles did NOT drop in price after the Yankees up Nawth got their fuel oil tanks for their house furnaces filled this spring. Diesel costs as much as PREMIUM, even though it is much cheaper to manufacture, doesn't evaporate in storage like gas, etc. In South Carolina we pay: Gas 16 cents Federal and 18.4 cents State tax per US gallon Diesel 16 cents Federal and 23.4 cents State tax per US gallon Georgia to the south of us has no state gas or diesel fuel taxes, but their gas prices are the same or higher in some areas..... -- Larry Article: 319714 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Marvin J. Glassman" Subject: Junk chassis wanted Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:29:41 -0700 Message-ID: <11ed08p1rpftc66@corp.supernews.com> Hi to all, I looking for a needle in the haystack as I have a 1939 tiny wood Silvertone model 6406 which is shown in Steins volume 1 on page 181. This is a 5 tube octal model with a 12A8, 12K7, 12Q7, 35L6, & a 35Z5. When the chassis is in the cabinet, the tubes are inverted. This set is in Riders #11 on page 85. After I paid many bucks for it & got it home, I discovered it had permeability tuned ( no variable cap) front end. I found out that there was 1 pulley missing & both iron cores gone. At least the dial pointer was found inside. After months looking, I took this action: I found a late 50's Arial which was wound on a round iron core & I cut the core in half & glued connecting parts on each end of the cores. I then rigged up a dial cord but could not get the dial pointer rigged right. Well the radio does work now but I can only get several stations as I do not have the correct lengths. I need a Junk chassis for my model 6406 with the correct pulley(rt. side) & the 2 right diameter iron slugs. Help !!!!! Thanks a bunch>>>>>>Marv Glassman Article: 319715 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <42e57c45@nntp.onyx.net> Subject: Re: OT: Political rant. Was Re: Good morning all Message-ID: <1122402975.7e8c7bb9c385bdcac89280004fef8626@teranews> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:35:23 -0500 "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns969F92D72BC88noone@63.223.7.253... > Hybrid cars are burning up the charts at FIREHOUSES in the USA. Some > firemen carving people out of wrecked hybrids have been ELECTROCUTED by the > 400 volts DC battery packs in the central power cables. They're sending > firemen to special classes telling them how to deal with this new threat. How nice. Not. :-( > Scary this summer....Diesel fuel for my vehicles did NOT drop in price > after the Yankees up Nawth got their fuel oil tanks for their house > furnaces filled this spring. Diesel costs as much as PREMIUM, even though > it is much cheaper to manufacture, doesn't evaporate in storage like gas, > etc. I suspect that some links in the supply chain or perhaps the stations themselves are intentionally depressing the pump price of gasoline below the usual profit margin and making it up elsewhere - specifically diesel. In ordinary times, diesel costs the same or less than regular gasoline. There's a station near my house that does this sort of thing blatantly. Regular gas always costs 2 or 3 cents/gal less there than other local stations, but other products such as midgrade, premium and diesel are far above the competitors'. Article: 319716 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Martin Crossley" References: <42e57714$1@nntp.onyx.net> <42e57b9a@nntp.onyx.net> Subject: Re: echophone ec-1 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:22:32 +0100 Message-ID: <42e682c3@nntp.onyx.net> Stephanie Weil wrote: > In article <42e57b9a@nntp.onyx.net>, Martin Crossley wrote: >> Are they the same company as Bussmann here, >> who do an amazingly wide range, from car fuses rated at 32Vmax. >> to huge things to go in electrical substations? > > Bussman is (are) owned by Cooper. > > http://www.bussman.com > > And yeah, they make all sorts of fuses. > > While on that subject, I saw (and have) an old British BS-1363 plug > with an Eveready fuse!!! And here I thought they only made dry > cells and batteries! Ah, I remember them, and the plugs. I think they're actually branded "Ever Ready" and were made by MB/Marbo/Marbourne. Coming back on topic, they and Vidor also made radios. Have you seen this webpage? http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/Engineering/Electronics/EverReady/EverReady.htm Cheers, Martin. Article: 319717 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Martin Crossley" References: <42e57c45@nntp.onyx.net> Subject: Re: OT: Political rant. Was Re: Good morning all Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:33:30 +0100 Message-ID: <42e682c4$1@nntp.onyx.net> Scott W. Harvey wrote: > Larry wrote: >> "Martin Crossley" wrote in >> news:42e57c45@nntp.onyx.net: >> >> >>> For once, Britain doesn't sound quite as bad a rip-off as usual! >>> >> >> >> How much is petrol, now, Martin? It's about $US0.54/litre ($2.25/US >> gallon) here in Charleston, SC. >> > > Our rip-off reformulated gas here in California is $2.59/gallon. > That's outrageous, but it ain't nothin' compared to this: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4424547.stm > > Just a couple of short hairs away from 1 GBP/litre! At these prices > one would think that hybrid cars would be burning up the sales charts > in the UK..... > > -Scott I'm sorry to say that's true.It has gone up around 10p since that report. 95p/l at a small garage, a few pence less at the supermarkets. I'd like an lpg-powered car next as gas is much cheaper, but they only seem to make the large ones like 4X4s. But 500 miles a month at 50mpg doesn't hurt TOO much, yet! Martin. Article: 319718 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: 21fjp22 tube - testing Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 11:42:27 -0700 Message-ID: <29336-42E68413-453@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net> References: <1122397103.246192.264880@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Frenchy, A 6EA5 is definitely not a sub for 6EA8. Are you sure you're reading the type correctly? The 6EA5 is a 7-pin mini, sharp-cutoff *tetrode* whereas the 6EA8 in your tuner is a 9-pin, pentode/triode. On occasion i have subbed a 6U8 or 6GH8 there temporarily when the 'EA8 was out of stock. These subs may cause a change in the fine tuning, though. Even though the 6EA8 may show gas on the tester, is the tuner working on all channels? And is the tube solid if you tap on it? BTW, if you don't already have a tube database resource, this is a good one to bookmark - www.nj7p.org/Tube1.php?tube Bill(oc) From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Thu Jul 28 09:44:20 EDT 2005 Article: 319719 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: echophone ec-1 References: <42e57714$1@nntp.onyx.net> <42e57b9a@nntp.onyx.net> <42e682c3@nntp.onyx.net> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:40:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1122406853 66.65.49.245 (Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:40:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:40:53 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319719 In article <42e682c3@nntp.onyx.net>, Martin Crossley wrote: > Ah, I remember them, and the plugs. > I think they're actually branded "Ever Ready" and were made by > MB/Marbo/Marbourne. Well, the plug is the current 13-amp british standard (the wicked looking bastards with the three square pins). > Coming back on topic, they and Vidor also made radios. > Have you seen this webpage? > http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/Museum/Engineering/Electronics/EverReady/EverReady.htm > Cheers, That's the logo on the fuse, alright. Hmmm....Wonder if any of those Sauce-pan specials are still around. I got this thing for radios from the "hinterlands" :D -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 319720 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 15:54:26 -0400 "Paul P" wrote in message news:vquFe.490445$cg1.448743@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I'm working on a Bulova 4 tube (1 volt types) battery/AC portable. It has a > "Aerovox 0.1 uf resonant capacitor at 455Khz from circuit ground to chassis. > I put his cap on the B&K checker and verified 0.1 then in series with two > different resistors each (50, 15000 ohms) and a signal gen. I tried to see > the resonant point (455k) by monitoring the voltage across the resistor to > no avail. > > Questions: > It probably has such a low Q that the peak or dip would be very very broad, and shallow to boot. Everyone seems to just replace these with a regular cap without any issues. Pete Article: 319721 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> Subject: While on the subject of refinishing . . . Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 19:55:01 GMT All of this wood finishing chat reminds me of a radio that is sitting just above my computer, on a shelf. It is a Philco 54. I spotted it at a swap meet, and ran across the room to buy it because there used to be one just like it in the family. Somebody refinished the wood, and did a very nice job, but it is incorrect. The finish should be smooth, but this actually is rough with indentations from the porous wood. Modern furniture done this way looks very nice, but it is not correct for a 1931 radio such as this. Also the name "PHILCO" is missing; it should be at the bottom, centered between the two wood inserts. Everyone who has seen the radio tells me the same thing: add more finish, sand it smooth, and keep doing it until it has the proper appearance. But I've got two questions: First, what do I use, not knowing what was used before? Do you shellac over varnish but not vice-versa, is there a lacquer that can cover either, or is there some new formula that can be used? I want to use something that will make a nice finish, and can sand/polish well, but won't attack whatever is already there. Also are there any recommendations for applying a PHILCO decal? Seems there is a product, and I most likely have some somewhere, that softens decals so they adhere better to the surface. Will that work, or hurt the finish? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Ken" wrote in message news:uXpFe.50$ah4.7@lakeread05... > As someone stated in a former thread on old set finishes, I believe a > finish was sprayed on, which included the color, sheen and toner, all in > one wack. I just removed the fromt panel of a Philco 90 and noticed where > the panel was covered by the frame there was no finish at all. They put > the cabinet together first and hit it with their mix, which makes sense on > an assembly line. Ken > > Mark Oppat wrote: > >> Phil wrote: >> >>>>>>Most old radios didn't have that piano finish. The "texture" of the >> >> wood comes through to some degree. if not from the factory, then from >> age and shrinkage. >> >> >> Phil, >> You have to qualify that statement... because 20's era sets were mostly >> shellac based varnishes as far as I know and then by 1932 most sets were >> laquered and finished much smoother. >> >> Mark Oppat >> >> >> >> > Article: 319722 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jhill" Subject: OT somewhat -what cartridge fits a Garrard 55B? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:43:03 -0500 Message-ID: The left channel has gone dead on the original cartridge that came with it. I took it out, but there seems to be no manufacturer or numbers on it anywhere. The cartridge itself seems to be glued to a black plastic carrier. The carrier has two prongs about 1/2" apart that fiction fit into holes in the arm. There are no screws anywhere around the cartridge. Garage-a-records/needle doctor has been working with me to try to identify it. Anyone else already been thru this? Article: 319723 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: While on the subject of refinishing . . . References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> Message-ID: <7QwFe.60$ah4.4@lakeread05> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 16:13:54 -0400 Since you don't want to remove any finish, the best thing to do is apply many coats of sanding lac. I've done this with very good results. Start with several coats at first, to get away from the wood. DON't SAND INTO THE WOOD SURFACE, it will change color. A little nick can be corrected with a dab of stain close to what was used. Spray a couple more coats then sand with a flat block, 250 grit, lightly. Look at the surface with a light on the other side of the piece, you will see areas that didn't get sanded, these are low spots. Repeat this untill the whole surface looks the same after sanding. Sand final with 300+ grit, then apply a finish, whatever you like. I use Deft sanding lac, dries fairly fast. Test before sanding by spraying a test surface at the same time. Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > All of this wood finishing chat reminds me of a radio that is sitting just > above my computer, on a shelf. It is a Philco 54. I spotted it at a swap > meet, and ran across the room to buy it because there used to be one just > like it in the family. Somebody refinished the wood, and did a very nice > job, but it is incorrect. The finish should be smooth, but this actually > is rough with indentations from the porous wood. Modern furniture done this > way looks very nice, but it is not correct for a 1931 radio such as this. > Also the name "PHILCO" is missing; it should be at the bottom, centered > between the two wood inserts. > > Everyone who has seen the radio tells me the same thing: add more finish, > sand it smooth, and keep doing it until it has the proper appearance. But > I've got two questions: First, what do I use, not knowing what was used > before? Do you shellac over varnish but not vice-versa, is there a lacquer > that can cover either, or is there some new formula that can be used? I > want to use something that will make a nice finish, and can sand/polish > well, but won't attack whatever is already there. Also are there any > recommendations for applying a PHILCO decal? Seems there is a product, and > I most likely have some somewhere, that softens decals so they adhere better > to the surface. Will that work, or hurt the finish? > > Article: 319724 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:26:16 GMT Stephanie Weil wrote: > What do YOU want on your tombstone. I know what mine will read. "Was it something I said?" Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 319725 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: PayPal Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:14:21 GMT "Art's Antique Radios" wrote in message news:s4udnXmwjaFyCnvfRVn-hA@comcast.com... > Did I miss a discussion or did this go by everyone here?. > > If you accept Paypal you can no longer say yes to Paypal but no > credit cards. It is all or nothing! > > Article in this week's Antique Week. > > It was on the General announcements board on the 15th, as well as emailed to all eBay users who have set their preferences to include notifications. http://www2.ebay.com/aw/core/200507151018562.html Good move on eBay and PayPal's part. It's about time they did this to end the confusion over sellers accepting PayPal, but only if it was funded from a non-credit card source. I suppose the usual whiners will be upset they have to move up to the PayPal Premier account where most of them should have been all along. jim menning Article: 319726 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Hagman" Subject: Re: Now that's one expensive cathedral Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:16:33 -0400 Message-ID: <11eda1jc1nu6bb7@corp.supernews.com> References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> "Ken" wrote in message news:6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05... > That's a gloss finish on that set. I thought most sets of that time were > a bit satinish, not a piano finish. On the Forum everyone recently determined that ALL old radios EVER made originally had a SUPER high gloss finish on them. John H. Article: 319727 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: David Stinson Subject: Re: PayPal References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:19:43 GMT jim menning wrote: >... I suppose the usual whiners > will be upset they have to move up to the PayPal Premier account where > most of them should have been all along. Probably, Jim. I don't understand people who grudge paying a very reasonable fee to someone who has provided them a valuable service. Probably the same folks who consistently stiff waitresses for tips. I'll bet *they* wouldn't go to work every day for free. D.S. Article: 319728 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "D.Dewing" Subject: Re.Power Supply Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:07:04 -0400 Looking for a power supply for a Marcini model 107. Thanks Dave Article: 319729 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "D.Dewing" References: Subject: Re: Re.Power Supply Message-ID: <%CxFe.3369$q23.568941@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:08:18 -0400 Sorry..that's a Marconi radio "D.Dewing" wrote in message news:RBxFe.3368$q23.567576@news20.bellglobal.com... > Looking for a power supply for a Marcini model 107. > > Thanks > Dave > > From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Thu Jul 28 09:44:23 EDT 2005 Article: 319730 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: Now that's one expensive cathedral References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> <11eda1jc1nu6bb7@corp.supernews.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:45:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1122414326 66.65.49.245 (Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:45:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 17:45:26 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319730 In article <11eda1jc1nu6bb7@corp.supernews.com>, John Hagman wrote: > On the Forum everyone recently determined that ALL old radios EVER made > originally had a SUPER high gloss finish on them. I have a large late 1940s RCA set - similar to this one - http://archives.radioattic.com/images/r/RCA_68R3_(1948)_JBaker.jpg The finish is semi-glossy leaning towards glossy. But it certainly doesn't look like a mirror. It's a bit less glossy than the stereotypical German radios of the 1950s. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 319731 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: PayPal Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:57:09 GMT "David Stinson" wrote in message news:PNxFe.8647$dU3.6042@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > jim menning wrote: > >>... I suppose the usual whiners >> will be upset they have to move up to the PayPal Premier account >> where most of them should have been all along. > > Probably, Jim. > I don't understand people who grudge paying a very reasonable > fee to someone who has provided them a valuable service. > Probably the same folks who consistently stiff waitresses for tips. > I'll bet *they* wouldn't go to work every day for free. > > D.S. Just wait until the tax laws catch up with the Internet, and eBay and PayPal will have to disclose all records to the states and Feds for proper accounting of sales and income taxes. A lot of "collectors" will soon learn they have been "businessmen" in the eyes of the tax agencies all along. Then the whining will become a loud roar. But on the other hand, it just may bring the people and the radios back to the radio meets. A silver lining to every cloud! jim menning Article: 319732 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <1122406870.601089.195230@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:58:36 GMT Yes it is. Although I do not have the exact schematic I can locate it on a mostly identical model's schematic. It is appropriately marked as resonant on the schematic. I figured a replacement .1 uf safety cap would do. I don't see the advantage of "leaving" other rf on the circuit common and only shunt 455Khtz to ground. Thanks, Paul P. "nesesu" wrote in message news:1122406870.601089.195230@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Paul, are you sure that is the original cap?? > I have heard of these supposed 'resonant caps' but I have only seen one > that was a true L/C. I can see no real point in a resonating circuit at > that point in the circuit--a good 0.1u should have a low enough > impedance at 455kHz that a series resonance would not reduce the > impedance much. > > Neil S. > > Paul P wrote: >> I'm working on a Bulova 4 tube (1 volt types) battery/AC portable. It >> has a >> "Aerovox 0.1 uf resonant capacitor at 455Khz from circuit ground to >> chassis. >> I put his cap on the B&K checker and verified 0.1 then in series with two >> different resistors each (50, 15000 ohms) and a signal gen. I tried to >> see >> the resonant point (455k) by monitoring the voltage across the resistor >> to >> no avail. >> >> Questions: >> >> Is this a bad test? Should I use a different series resistor? >> >> How critical is the fact this is supposed to be "resonant"? Can it be >> replaced with a standard cap? >> >> What should I replace this with for the restoration? >> >> There is a gimmick described in the RDH4 to leave the leads on a 0.01 uf >> cap >> (different cap value) 1/2 in long each to make it a resonant circuit (I >> did >> not catch the frequency). >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Paul P. > Article: 319733 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:58:59 GMT Paul P wrote: > I'm working on a Bulova 4 tube (1 volt types) battery/AC portable. It has a > "Aerovox 0.1 uf resonant capacitor at 455Khz from circuit ground to chassis. You don't really need to replace this cap, as leakage here is of little consequence. Not like a coupling cap. Article: 319734 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Where is the schematic for this radio? References: <2pf8e1l25gs87i2i7va1rn9v5v1i04gesq@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:02:18 GMT Blacksmith wrote: > I got that number for the picture in the Slusser book. My radio has no > number on it. > > 35Z5, 50L6, 6SA7, 6SQ7, 6SK7 (not much help) > Sounds like an ordinary AA5 except the 6 volt heater tubes would be 12V. Article: 319735 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:04:11 GMT > > It probably has such a low Q that the peak or dip would be very very > broad, and shallow to boot. > > Everyone seems to just replace these with a regular cap without > any issues. > > > Pete > > Thanks Pete. Looks like a plan! Paul. Article: 319736 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:20:35 GMT Now this may be the best of all options. There is a .05 uf across one of the power lines to circuit ground. That has been replaced with a Safety cap already. I will defiantly run test with out the cap. Thanks, Paul. "robert casey" wrote in message news:DmyFe.17564$aY6.14820@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Paul P wrote: > >> I'm working on a Bulova 4 tube (1 volt types) battery/AC portable. It >> has a "Aerovox 0.1 uf resonant capacitor at 455Khz from circuit ground to >> chassis. > > You don't really need to replace this cap, as leakage here > is of little consequence. Not like a coupling cap. Article: 319737 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:24:07 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? References: Message-ID: Paul P wrote: > Now this may be the best of all options. There is a .05 uf across one of > the power lines to circuit ground. That has been replaced with a Safety cap > already. > > I will defiantly run test with out the cap. I recently replaced one of these and the set was a bit troublesome afterwards. Worked fine with the old resonant ckt still in place. Finally I connected the new cap directly to chassis with vy short leads instead of going to the original tie-point. Then it settled down. -Bill Article: 319738 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bartley Subject: Re: Re.Power Supply References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 18:28:29 -0400 D.Dewing wrote: >Looking for a power supply for a Marcini model 107. > >Thanks >Dave > For those who are wondering, that radio requires the following : "A" = 1.5vdc to 2.0vdc "B" = 90vdc "C" = 4.5vdc cheers -- regards from :: John Bartley 43 Norway Spruce Street Stittsville, Ontario Canada, K2S1P5 ( If you slow down it takes longer - does that apply to life also?) Article: 319739 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "collector" Subject: Interest group for music collectors Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:56:37 +1000 A great Yahoo group for everyone interested in collecting old records and memorabilia http://groups.yahoo.com/group/musiccollectables All are welcome !!!! Article: 319740 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? From: Larry References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:12:38 -0400 Stewart Schooley wrote in news:JfWdneueV9J7TXvfRVn- 1w@bright.net: > In the old city cemetary nearby is a tombstone that has NOT GUILTY on it. > > Stewart > > I know where there's one that simply says: Whatever... -- Larry Article: 319741 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Interest group for music collectors From: Larry References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:13:52 -0400 "collector" wrote in news:J5AFe.37$Bw6.478@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au: > A great Yahoo group for everyone interested in collecting old records and > memorabilia > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/musiccollectables > > All are welcome !!!! > Wow....I bet the RIAA, ASCAP and BMI lawyers will be carefully data mining THAT one....(c; -- Larry Article: 319742 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: PayPal References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:22:43 -0400 How DO you handle a credit card payment after filling out an application for Premier? What is involved? Does it look the same as a regular PayPal transaction? Ken Art's Antique Radios wrote: > Did I miss a discussion or did this go by everyone here?. > > If you accept Paypal you can no longer say yes to Paypal but no credit > cards. It is all or nothing! > > Article in this week's Antique Week. > > Article: 319743 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: PayPal Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:35:42 GMT I can tell you this much -- as someone who has been in business related to radios from collector cars, my customers do this as a hobby -- not a necessity. As such, I have been very impressed with how well customers make their payments. Often they go out of their way to ensure I get the money. I still have the usual precautions, but overall I have no problems with customers' payments. Paypal, on the other hand . . . Actually the problems I've had with Paypal have really been from a combination of a software bug and a deadbeat eBay seller. The problem resolution with Paypal has been horrendous however. It takes many phone calls and lots of hold time, only to be told they can't do nuthin'. After a solid month of BS, I've received most of my money back, but still waiting for the rest -- and the only reason I got back what I did was because I asked the bank to do a stop payment. So you can add a bank fee to the mix. "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:eLSdnToqlsKwX3vfRVn-jQ@comcast.com... >> Good move on eBay and PayPal's part. It's about time they did this >> to end the confusion over sellers accepting PayPal, but only if it was >> funded from a non-credit card source. I suppose the usual whiners >> will be upset they have to move up to the PayPal Premier account >> where most of them should have been all along. > > But I don't want to accept credit cards. > > As an individual -- not a business -- I simply don't want to get involved > in > a situation where a buyer decides he doesn't like what he bought and tells > his credit-card company to withhold payment. > > As for whining... PayPal's fees, whether for cash or card, are high > compared > to those of most credit cards. > > Article: 319744 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" Subject: Speaking of Tombstones... Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:37:32 -0400 Check the binaries. Pete Article: 319745 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: PayPal Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 20:49:42 -0400 "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:dNCdnTsXyJ3XX3vfRVn-gA@comcast.com... > > I don't understand people who grudge paying a very reasonable > > fee to someone who has provided them a valuable service. > > It's not a "reasonable" fee. It's quite high -- almost 3%. > > Yes, exactly. 3% is high, especially in this day and age when most banks pay less than 1% annually on a passbook account. Pete Article: 319746 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Interest group for music collectors Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:50:32 GMT That comment brings up an interesting point: the recording industry is concerned about people copying materials from each other instead of buying the recordings -- as well they should be. However nobody seems to have a clear concept of what should and shouldn't be done. For example, if you download a song from Kazaa, you have just received this recording without paying the artist or recording company any money. But if you buy a used record, you have just received a recording without paying the artist or recording company any money. Sure, a royalty may have been paid 40 years ago, but how many hands has it passed through since then? If somebody has a stack of mix CD's, it's considered theft. If somebody shows you his record collection, the thought never crosses anyone's minds. Mnid you, I'm not condoning the record companies to sue the used record shops, although I bet they've thought about it. I'm just making a comparison. My personal opinion is that, while I agree that record companies have a valid concern, I've also seen their other side. When Girl Scouts need to pay royalties for singing songs around a campfire, it's time for a reality check. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns969FCE6AC243Enoone@63.223.7.253... > "collector" wrote in > news:J5AFe.37$Bw6.478@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au: > >> A great Yahoo group for everyone interested in collecting old records and >> memorabilia >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/musiccollectables >> >> All are welcome !!!! >> > > Wow....I bet the RIAA, ASCAP and BMI lawyers will be carefully data mining > THAT one....(c; > > -- > Larry Article: 319747 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> <7QwFe.60$ah4.4@lakeread05> Subject: Re: While on the subject of refinishing . . . Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:56:54 GMT Sanding lac -- is this something I can find easily? Would a place like Home Depot have this or should I use a paint store? Also, do I need to put the decal on last, or can I , or should I put it on and put lacquer over it? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Ken" wrote in message news:7QwFe.60$ah4.4@lakeread05... > Since you don't want to remove any finish, the best thing to do is apply > many coats of sanding lac. I've done this with very good results. Start > with several coats at first, to get away from the wood. DON't SAND INTO > THE WOOD SURFACE, it will change color. A little nick can be corrected > with a dab of stain close to what was used. Spray a couple more coats then > sand with a flat block, 250 grit, lightly. Look at the surface with a > light on the other side of the piece, you will see areas that didn't get > sanded, these are low spots. Repeat this untill the whole surface looks > the same after sanding. Sand final with 300+ grit, then apply a finish, > whatever you like. I use Deft sanding lac, dries fairly fast. Test before > sanding by spraying a test surface at the same time. Ken > > Gary Tayman wrote: > >> All of this wood finishing chat reminds me of a radio that is sitting >> just above my computer, on a shelf. It is a Philco 54. I spotted it at >> a swap meet, and ran across the room to buy it because there used to be >> one just like it in the family. Somebody refinished the wood, and did a >> very nice job, but it is incorrect. The finish should be smooth, but >> this actually is rough with indentations from the porous wood. Modern >> furniture done this way looks very nice, but it is not correct for a 1931 >> radio such as this. Also the name "PHILCO" is missing; it should be at >> the bottom, centered between the two wood inserts. >> >> Everyone who has seen the radio tells me the same thing: add more >> finish, sand it smooth, and keep doing it until it has the proper >> appearance. But I've got two questions: First, what do I use, not >> knowing what was used before? Do you shellac over varnish but not >> vice-versa, is there a lacquer that can cover either, or is there some >> new formula that can be used? I want to use something that will make a >> nice finish, and can sand/polish well, but won't attack whatever is >> already there. Also are there any recommendations for applying a PHILCO >> decal? Seems there is a product, and I most likely have some somewhere, >> that softens decals so they adhere better to the surface. Will that >> work, or hurt the finish? >> >> > Article: 319748 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: PayPal Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:09:27 +0900 Message-ID: References: "Ken" wrote in message news:stAFe.81$ah4.64@lakeread05... > How DO you handle a credit card payment after filling out an application > for Premier? What is involved? Does it look the same as a regular PayPal > transaction? Ken Looks pretty much the same, except in the column where it would have said Fees ($0.00) there will be a fee that varies by the total amount of the sale. Between ebay and PayPal, they soak you pretty good with each sale, so there's really no point in selling anything cheap. Article: 319749 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:10:16 +0900 Message-ID: References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Stewart Schooley" wrote in message news:JfWdneueV9J7TXvfRVn-1w@bright.net... > Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > > > > > Stephanie Weil wrote: > > > >> What do YOU want on your tombstone. > > > > > > I know what mine will read. > > > > "Was it something I said?" > > > > Jeff > > > > > In the old city cemetary nearby is a tombstone that has NOT GUILTY on it. > Want mine to say "What do they mean by 'Hazardous voltages inside'? Article: 319750 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:30:01 -0400 > "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message > news:slrndecp8a.26u.stephanie@home3.gordsven.com... >> In article , Scott W. Harvey wrote: >> >>> A tombstone with a tombstone.....Ah, the irony! >> >> What do YOU want on your tombstone. >> >> -- >> Stephanie Weil >> New York City, U.S.A. One I heard of: "I TOLD you I Was Sick!" -- "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 319751 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" Subject: Source for NOS Micamold parts Message-ID: <3%BFe.158655$go.71323@fed1read05> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:06:55 -0400 Guys I may need some original Micamold parts for a restoration. I'll be looking for the larger postage stamp style molded paper capacitors (look like big micas) and I'll be needing a few of the molded Micamold molded resistor packages as well. If anyone has a stash of NOS or used, let me know and I will email the list of values I need. Pete Article: 319752 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: David Stinson Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:46:17 GMT Stewart Schooley wrote: > In the old city cemetary nearby is a tombstone > that has NOT GUILTY on it.... Mine is going to say: "What are you looking at? YOU'RE NEXT!" Article: 319753 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: David Stinson Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <8BCFe.4956$0C.2087@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:47:32 GMT Larry wrote: > I know where there's one that simply says: > > Whatever... There's supposedly one out west: "I told you I was sick..." Article: 319754 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:54:00 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: PayPal References: Message-ID: Uncle Peter wrote: > "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message > news:dNCdnTsXyJ3XX3vfRVn-gA@comcast.com... > >>>I don't understand people who grudge paying a very reasonable >>>fee to someone who has provided them a valuable service. >> >>It's not a "reasonable" fee. It's quite high -- almost 3%. >> >> > > > Yes, exactly. 3% is high, especially in this day and age when > most banks pay less than 1% annually on a passbook account. > > Pete > Knife cuts both ways. They (PP) pay 3% interest on your account. You can see how ultimately the game is *supposed* to work...most people don't look at it that way, tho. -Bill Article: 319755 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? References: <1122406870.601089.195230@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <3WCFe.5455$6f.1684@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:09:51 GMT > > I figured a replacement .1 uf safety cap would do. I don't see the > advantage of "leaving" other rf on the circuit common and only shunt 455Khtz > to ground. > They may have wanted to give a low impedance to the IF frequency, but still allow a fairly high impedance at 60Hz (less shock hazard current). If it's an AA5, the IF is really the only "RF" amp in the radio. Article: 319756 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In Jeffrey D Angus writes: >Stephanie Weil wrote: >> What do YOU want on your tombstone. >I know what mine will read. >"Was it something I said?" I'm a true believer in being parted-out, hence no block of granite (Hey! Sell the junker chassis on eBay!), but if I did wind up with one I'm still going with: "Dig This" -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 319757 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:47:46 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? References: <1122406870.601089.195230@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <3WCFe.5455$6f.1684@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <453ca$42e703ea$4232be0d$26763@COQUI.NET> robert casey wrote: > >> >> I figured a replacement .1 uf safety cap would do. I don't see the >> advantage of "leaving" other rf on the circuit common and only shunt >> 455Khtz to ground. >> > > They may have wanted to give a low impedance to the IF frequency, > but still allow a fairly high impedance at 60Hz (less shock > hazard current). If it's an AA5, the IF is really the only > "RF" amp in the radio. As Leigh points out on the Forum, the impedance at both 455kc and 60 Hz is essentially the same for the cap with or without inductance. I've run the numbers and come up with the same conclusion. There's something else not meeting the eye here. I measured the winding on my example and came up with about 0.9uh...and my cap was 0.2uf....which isn't resonant at 455. This inductance is really minimal compared to the lead lengths etc. so I don't expect it to be resonant in itself. There may be other factors at play...the AC bypass...the entire B- wiring inductance...who knows? I'd like to see it explained. Article: 319758 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:01:23 GMT Brenda Ann wrote: > Want mine to say "What do they mean by 'Hazardous voltages inside'? Or perhaps, "No user servicable parts inside." By the way Brenda, for some reason, your ISP is bouncing my email to you again. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 319759 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Interest group for music collectors Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:02:07 -0600 Message-ID: References: the crux of this issue comes down to 'rights'. do you or dont you have rights to the music. but what bothers me is that i feel that i should be able to get a media replacement on my old records that are scratched now, old tapes that got eatten, cd's that melted in the sun, etc. (i would even pay a very small fee for the physical media replacement). but they didnt do that back then. i doubt they do it now. now they want to have their cake and eat it too. if its 'illegal' for me to give away or sell a record i bought, i want them to grant me the rights to every song on every album or tape or cd i ever bought and give me a place to get access to these songs. if they are drawing a line in the sand i want music i already paid for to be on the free side of that line because by their definition i already own the rights to it. of course this isnt feasable. neither is trying to stop people from selling used records... randy > That comment brings up an interesting point: the recording industry is > concerned about people copying materials from each other instead of buying > the recordings -- as well they should be. However nobody seems to have a > clear concept of what should and shouldn't be done. For example, if you > download a song from Kazaa, you have just received this recording without > paying the artist or recording company any money. But if you buy a used > record, you have just received a recording without paying the artist or > recording company any money. Sure, a royalty may have been paid 40 years > ago, but how many hands has it passed through since then? If somebody has > a stack of mix CD's, it's considered theft. If somebody shows you his > record collection, the thought never crosses anyone's minds. > > Mnid you, I'm not condoning the record companies to sue the used record > shops, although I bet they've thought about it. I'm just making a > comparison. > > My personal opinion is that, while I agree that record companies have a > valid concern, I've also seen their other side. When Girl Scouts need to > pay royalties for singing songs around a campfire, it's time for a reality > check. > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > "Larry" wrote in message > news:Xns969FCE6AC243Enoone@63.223.7.253... >> "collector" wrote in >> news:J5AFe.37$Bw6.478@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au: >> >>> A great Yahoo group for everyone interested in collecting old records >>> and >>> memorabilia >>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/musiccollectables >>> >>> All are welcome !!!! >>> >> >> Wow....I bet the RIAA, ASCAP and BMI lawyers will be carefully data >> mining >> THAT one....(c; >> >> -- >> Larry > > Article: 319760 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Source for NOS Micamold parts References: <3%BFe.158655$go.71323@fed1read05> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:03:26 GMT email me and remind me. I'll root around in the "can-o-death" in the garage and see if I have some. I think I pulled a few out of the 1948 Andrea TV set. Jeff Uncle Peter wrote: > Guys > > I may need some original Micamold parts for a restoration. > I'll be looking for the larger postage stamp style molded > paper capacitors (look like big micas) and I'll be needing a > few of the molded Micamold molded resistor packages as > well. If anyone has a stash of NOS or used, let me know > and I will email the list of values I need. > > Pete > > -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 319761 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in PHX" References: <1122154350.293002.84120@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122159126.362692.153660@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122165567.426409.243600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122173420.869979.29810@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122211652.646722.16160@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FA - Vintage Western Electric Cradle Phone Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:04:28 -0700 Skippy, (or the skip to my lou kid, as I like to think of him) is the only thing that I truly dislike about this group.... His antisocial ravings are truly an awful reflection of today medical society... In so much as the drugs he is on, only work for a short amount of time.... then over the edge he goes again... but that's just my opinion... What do I know.. into Kill file again.... bob in phx "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:ULPEe.925$5g.91@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > John Byrns wrote: >> Peter, why are you feeding this particularly repugnant Camel? Now you >> even have me doing it. > > It is pointless to assume Skippy will every grow up and go away. > So as long as he insists on posting here, we're going to make > fun of him and harrass him. Maybe if we're lucky, he'll get so > worked up, he'll have a stroke. > > Jeff > > -- > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin > "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." > Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 319762 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: PayPal References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:09:14 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > It's not a "reasonable" fee. It's quite high -- almost 3%. How can you call 3% unreasonable? How much are you paying your credit card company? (Look for the APR on your statement.) Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 319763 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: PayPal References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:11:16 GMT David Stinson wrote: > I don't understand people who grudge paying a very reasonable > fee to someone who has provided them a valuable service. > Probably the same folks who consistently stiff waitresses for tips. > I'll bet *they* wouldn't go to work every day for free. I install and repair two-way radios in Taxi cabs. They never want to pay what it's worth, or on time (or at all.) So I ask them, "Can I get a ride home from the airport then pay you next week just half the fair?" They go balistic..."You're taking food from my mouth." (complete with the hand gestures.) So then I ask, "So why should I let you take food from mine?" That usualy shuts them up. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 319764 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Scott W. Harvey Subject: Google Search broken? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 21:09:54 -0700 Message-ID: As many of you know, I have a couple of radio-related websites. One is devoted to maintaining an archive of pictures posted in the binaries group, and is located at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/abpr/ The other is a site dedicated to providing schematics and servicing information for vintage radios, (The Schematic Bank) which is located at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/schematics/ When someone attempts to search for either of these two sites on Yahoo, Ask Jeeves, Lycos, Dogpile, or a number of other search engines using the name of the site or a snippet of text from the home page, either site will invariably show up on the first search results page, usually in the top 5 or so. As recently as two months ago (last time I checked), Google did essentially the same thing, with roughly the same ranking on the first page of search results. Now, however, the results from Google are quite weird.....Not only is neither site listed in the top 10, they aren't even listed in the top 100! To make things even weirder, Other people's pages that merely link to my sites show up in the search results but my sites do not! This is a bit distressing to me, as people who use Google looking for information contained on my sites will not be able to find them. It appears that my site is still being picked up by Google's crawlers, (I can enter the techpresevation.dyndns.org domain in advanced search and the sites show up, and show as being recently cached), but the ability to find them using keywords or titles has vanished from Google. There has been no changes in the Schematic site at all recently, and only the usual updating of the archives on the pictures site. Does anyone know what's going on here? Has anyone else here observed a change in Google's search behavior? Is there something I'm doing wrong? -Scott DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Article: 319765 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42E711A8.20CD2214@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Google Search broken? References: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:46:51 GMT "Scott W. Harvey" wrote: > > As many of you know, I have a couple of radio-related websites. > > One is devoted to maintaining an archive of pictures posted in the > binaries group, and is located at: > > http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/abpr/ > > The other is a site dedicated to providing schematics and servicing > information for vintage radios, (The Schematic Bank) which is located > at: > > http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/schematics/ > > When someone attempts to search for either of these two sites on > Yahoo, Ask Jeeves, Lycos, Dogpile, or a number of other search engines > using the name of the site or a snippet of text from the home page, > either site will invariably show up on the first search results page, > usually in the top 5 or so. > > As recently as two months ago (last time I checked), Google did > essentially the same thing, with roughly the same ranking on the first > page of search results. Now, however, the results from Google are > quite weird.....Not only is neither site listed in the top 10, they > aren't even listed in the top 100! > > To make things even weirder, Other people's pages that merely link to > my sites show up in the search results but my sites do not! > > This is a bit distressing to me, as people who use Google looking for > information contained on my sites will not be able to find them. It > appears that my site is still being picked up by Google's crawlers, (I > can enter the techpresevation.dyndns.org domain in advanced search and > the sites show up, and show as being recently cached), but the ability > to find them using keywords or titles has vanished from Google. There > has been no changes in the Schematic site at all recently, and only > the usual updating of the archives on the pictures site. > > Does anyone know what's going on here? Has anyone else here observed a > change in Google's search behavior? Is there something I'm doing > wrong? > > -Scott > > DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! > Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: > http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm > (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) > > Google may have had a problem connecting to the server hosting your web page during their last update, or you may have enough pages linking to yours to drop your rating. Google is doing this because people who specialize in getting high rankings were list links to lots of unrelated pages they maintained to raise their ranking. There is a whole industry forming to work their way into high listing for sites that don't deserve it. I was on a mailing list for a while about this business, but I appear to have been dropped recently. -- Link to my "Computers for disabled Veterans" project website deleted after threats were telephoned to my church. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 319766 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Google Search broken? References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 04:48:51 GMT Scott W. Harvey wrote: > > Does anyone know what's going on here? Has anyone else here observed a > change in Google's search behavior? Is there something I'm doing > wrong? You haven't done anything "wrong" lately like bad mouth the Scientologists have you? Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" From daxtATpacifierDOTcom Thu Jul 28 09:44:31 EDT 2005 Article: 319767 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "David Axt" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: PA speakers - Worth salvaging? Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:02:05 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <11ee5ac2fna036e@corp.supernews.com> Reply-To: "David Axt" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319767 I am involved in a construction project where we are tearing down an old elementary school and constructing a new one. I was walking the site the other day and noticed that every room has a PA speaker in it. I pulled on down and noticed that the box was labeled Stromberg Carlson. The speaker was 8" or 10" and had the 70v transformer bolted to it. The speaker said 16 ohms. I don't have it in front of me to find the speaker codes. Are these speakers worth salvaging or not? Thanks, David PS I also found an old Dukane switchboard type system. Article: 319768 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Zenith C725F Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:20:47 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1122444602.770801.50300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "RB" wrote in message news:1122444602.770801.50300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Howdy! I'm buying a Zenith C725F and have noticed something with this > radio as well as several others (723, 730, etc.). I understand that > they use the AC cord as an FM antenna. However, they have terminals in > the back that appear to be used for connecting an external FM antenna. > One screw is labeled "G" (ground?) and the other is Labeled "F". What > does the "F" stand for? > > Also, What is the proper way to use these terminals? > I've heard alternate meanings for these. The G is for ground, but not really USED for a ground. F has been said to be for FM or for Field (antenna). Others may have other explanations, I'm open to hear them. To use these connections, you want to disconnect the line cord antenna, and connect either a rabbit ear or outside FM or VHF TV antenna. If you use the line cord antenna, it should be connected to the F screw. Article: 319769 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "william_b_noble" References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? Message-ID: <1122445596.1493a6b9e553137e909c12a9f62b0433@teranews> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:26:30 -0700 but seriously guys: a few decades ago an electrician I had worked with asked me to look at the basement of a house - a lady's husband had died and left it full of "mystery stuff" - a rather bizarre ham shack, with stuff under the stairs (and still powered on), zip cord everywhere, etc. I went through the stuff, sorted the wheat from the chaff, removed the bad wiring and refused payment on the basis that one should help people. The reason I'm posting this isn't to claim a halo, it's to suggest that you take the time to tell your significant other/probable executor what is what, how to dispose of the stuff in a way that maximizes value, and so on - maybe label things that are not obvious, provide a list ot contacts for clubs, etc. Otherwise, the "good stuff" will be just junk, and into the landfill it will go, possibly costing your heirs $$$, and certainly not maintaing your vision. bill n "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns969E8FC10A8A2noone@63.223.7.253... > k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) wrote in > news:mWXEe.179574$_o.16781@attbi_s71: > >> That will probably get me "Framed" >> >> John k9uwa >> >> > > Do you know any big-titted blonde floozies, John?....(c; > > 73 DE W4CSC > NNNN > > > -- > Larry Article: 319770 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 02:30:25 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: Zenith C725F References: <1122444602.770801.50300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <7a6dc$42e72a04$4232bd8d$16580@COQUI.NET> Brenda Ann wrote: > "RB" wrote in message > news:1122444602.770801.50300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >>Howdy! I'm buying a Zenith C725F and have noticed something with this >>radio as well as several others (723, 730, etc.). I understand that >>they use the AC cord as an FM antenna. However, they have terminals in >>the back that appear to be used for connecting an external FM antenna. >>One screw is labeled "G" (ground?) and the other is Labeled "F". What >>does the "F" stand for? >> >>Also, What is the proper way to use these terminals? >> > > > > I've heard alternate meanings for these. The G is for ground, but not really > USED for a ground. F has been said to be for FM or for Field (antenna). > Others may have other explanations, I'm open to hear them. > > To use these connections, you want to disconnect the line cord antenna, and > connect either a rabbit ear or outside FM or VHF TV antenna. If you use the > line cord antenna, it should be connected to the F screw. Yep, there's often a link wire that connects the line cord antenna to the actual input terminal. That link to the line cord is simply a small capacitance - often done via an innocuous mechanical clamp. The point in separating this line cord antenna is to minimize multipath reception when a 'real' antenna is connected. -Bill Article: 319771 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "william_b_noble" References: <1122222079.2e2e78638c5d8c5ff61a00f1f2a7b0cf@teranews> Subject: Re: fa: ford 8-track am/fm Message-ID: <1122445975.cca3a2d03864b0ffecdb21d0bed6056a@teranews> Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:32:48 -0700 thnaks - the part # is D7AF-19A68 - so I guess 70s is the right decade - I've updated the listing with the information you provided here - thanks. If you would like credit in the listing (e.g. a mention by name or business email), I'll happily add it, otherwise, I've said "friend" to keep you protected from the gods of spam. appreciate the help bill "Tom Adkins" wrote in message news:ROKdnZxoGd7waX7fRVn-1w@comcast.com... > william_b_noble wrote: >> here is the listing - I'm guessing that its 1968, but feel free to >> correct me >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7989083859 >> > > Hey Bill. Your radio is from the 70's. The first letter of the part > number( DAF-xxx, is there a number between the D and A?) is the decade > designator. B-50s, C-60s, D-70, E-80s,... The D40A-xxxx on the mounting > bracket indicates a 1974 part number. If the bracket is original, it was > first produced in 1974 and thus the radio. 74 sounds about right for > Aeroneutronic, whatever that meant. My 1974 F-250 had one that I believe > was original. These radio\tape decks were really good performers by 70's > standards. Great AM DXing. Article: 319772 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: PayPal Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:57:22 -0700 Message-ID: References: William Sommerwerck wrote: > But I don't want to accept credit cards. > > As an individual -- not a business -- I simply don't want to get involved in > a situation where a buyer decides he doesn't like what he bought and tells > his credit-card company to withhold payment. I agree. If accepting Paypal now means that I am compelled to risk a chargeback on a high dollar item, Then I simply will not use PayPal as a payment vehicle. Life's too short to waste time dealing with these situations. -Scott Article: 319773 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Anyone need a tuner subber? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:22:51 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1122384839.396684.267430@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> "Phil B" wrote in message news:nLKdnbL83qdstnrfRVn-gA@comcast.com... > For .99 this is a good buy for anyone who wants an old TV signal > booster. Looks like the seller (who has a high rank) just inserted a > bunch of canned text for this auction. > Not a signal booster, it's a tuner subber. Used for TV servicing, it takes the place of the set's tuner for quick tests of the IF string and/or to verify a bad tuner. Has VHF inputs and an IF output, with an adjustable gain control (a 9V battery with a pot to the AGC line in the tuner) Article: 319774 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: PayPal Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 00:13:44 -0700 Message-ID: References: jim menning wrote: > > Just wait until the tax laws catch up with the Internet, and eBay and > PayPal will have to disclose all records to the states and Feds for > proper accounting of sales and income taxes. A lot of "collectors" > will soon learn they have been "businessmen" in the eyes of the tax > agencies all along. I saw a special on CNBC that said that ebay has records of every transaction ever carried out on their system since 1995. Don't think for a minute that the sands of time will wipe out evidence of that tax liability. > > Then the whining will become a loud roar. But on the other hand, it > just may bring the people and the radios back to the radio meets. If the taxing agencies ever decided to pursue this, it would hit eBay like a tsunami. Even without that threat, I am starting to see more eBay refugees at the swaps. It is no longer cheap or easy to sell low-buck items on the 'bay. -Scott Article: 319775 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 03:53:10 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: PayPal References: Message-ID: <19825$42e73d6c$4232bd8d$1602@COQUI.NET> Scott W. Harvey wrote: > > I agree. If accepting Paypal now means that I am compelled to risk a > chargeback on a high dollar item, Then I simply will not use PayPal as a > payment vehicle. Life's too short to waste time dealing with these > situations. > > -Scott > This comes out sounding like "I'm a bit too haughty to deal with common folks and their daily plebian issues". If thats truly the case then one would be well advised just to simply not do transactions on the internet. Its really simple to not become a "victim" of PayPal and credit card companies. Just don't do it. Scott, you have a lot of opinions on this topic...do you actually sell things and take PayPal as payment? -Bill Article: 319777 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: PayPal Message-ID: <%oJFe.158728$go.52605@fed1read05> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:32:25 -0400 "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:KNDFe.1598$5g.1124@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > William Sommerwerck wrote: > > It's not a "reasonable" fee. It's quite high -- almost 3%. > > How can you call 3% unreasonable? How much are you paying > your credit card company? (Look for the APR on your statement.) > > Jeff > > -- Jeff Personally, I charge everything, and fully pay off balances when the bill comes in. I don't pay them interest. That's why this country has such a high personal and public debt. People don't treat money with respect. But, that's not a fair comparision. The credit card is just that--you are using THEIR money. PayPal is charging a stiff fee for the privilege of handling your money. Big difference. All those credit card fees, whether on your statement, or the merchant fees, drive the prices up. Pete Article: 319778 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: While on the subject of refinishing . . . References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> <7QwFe.60$ah4.4@lakeread05> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:44:30 -0400 I would think Home Depot would have it, Lowes does for sure, spray can and bulk. It's a formula that sands much easier than regular lac. For the decal, apply it after the last sanding of the sanding lac. It seems the water doesn't bead up as bad on a sanded surface. I soak the decal for a good 2 minutes, (it's got to slide off eeeeasily)use a Q tip to put some wet on the cabinet, then slide the decal off on to the cabinet. When in place, sort of roll the damp Q tip over the decal to get any trapped water out. When dry I spray at least 2-3 coats of finishing lac over the entire set. Gary Tayman wrote: > Sanding lac -- is this something I can find easily? Would a place like Home > Depot have this or should I use a paint store? > > Also, do I need to put the decal on last, or can I , or should I put it on > and put lacquer over it? > > > Article: 319779 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: PayPal Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:46:04 -0600 Message-ID: References: <19825$42e73d6c$4232bd8d$1602@COQUI.NET> > The trouble with PayPal is that it's so marvelously convenient that people > are willing to put up being gouged. careful. you're stepping on one of the cornerstones of free enterprise. the 'right' to gouge for convenience... randy Article: 319780 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: CTC-10 testing - B&W... and purple Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:18:57 -0700 Message-ID: <24903-42E77BB1-9@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> References: <1122448486.717348.4460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> P.S. Frenchy, a heads-up in case you run into this symptom in a CTC-15, 16, 17, or 25 chassis. Loss of the 3.58 referance signal (usualy >from an open 'reactance' coil) will result in a 'green only' display where the colors should be. oc Article: 319781 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: CTC-10 testing - B&W... and purple Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 05:10:20 -0700 Message-ID: <24903-42E779AC-8@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> References: <1122448486.717348.4460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Frenchy, Your 3.58mc color referance oscillator isn't running. You're seeing the chroma signal come up when you turn up the 'intensity' control (the "purple only" display where the colors should be). But without the referance signal present, demodulation can't happen. If the tube is good, look for an open coil carrying plate voltage to that tube. In later chasses, it's usually the 'reactance' coil that goes open. Back in the Hooterville town where i worked, color didn't come in until 1965, so i don't have a lot of 'hands on' experience with RCAs older than the CTC-15. Bill(oc) Article: 319782 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave McClellan" Subject: Lamp for Wards Airline "Movie Dial" radio Message-ID: <9bLFe.20129$bG4.411@fe06.lga> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:34:04 -0400 Does anyone know what lamp can be used in Ward's Airline "Movie Dial" radios? All I know is that it appears to be a 6 volt cartridge type lamp. I assume that the wattage must be quite critical - bright enough to project the image on the film, and cool enough not to damage the film! I doubt that the Wards part number would be of any help. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Article: 319783 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Radio Rambler Subject: Re: PA speakers - Worth salvaging? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:00:18 -0400 Message-ID: <3kper5Fv8s17U1@individual.net> References: <11ee5ac2fna036e@corp.supernews.com> "David Axt" wrote: > I am involved in a construction project where we are tearing down an old > elementary school and constructing a new one. I was walking the site the > other day and noticed that every room has a PA speaker in it. I pulled on > down and noticed that the box was labeled Stromberg Carlson. The speaker > was 8" or 10" and had the 70v transformer bolted to it. The speaker said > 16 > ohms. I don't have it in front of me to find the speaker codes. > > Are these speakers worth salvaging or not? > > Thanks, > David > > PS I also found an old Dukane switchboard type system. yes, they are -- The Shadow Knows Article: 319784 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: PayPal References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:26:47 -0400 eBay really has the market wrapped up on all this, they bring in thousands, and it's not likely to stop. We are the people who make it possible for them, but they don't mind screwing us around when they want to. This is what happens when there is no competition. I'm sure this won't be the last pompus ass decrees that come from them. Ken Brenda Ann wrote: > "Ken" wrote in message news:stAFe.81$ah4.64@lakeread05... > >>How DO you handle a credit card payment after filling out an application >>for Premier? What is involved? Does it look the same as a regular PayPal >> transaction? Ken > > > > Looks pretty much the same, except in the column where it would have said > Fees ($0.00) there will be a fee that varies by the total amount of the > sale. Between ebay and PayPal, they soak you pretty good with each sale, so > there's really no point in selling anything cheap. > > > Article: 319785 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42E78B28.5567F563@sympatico.ca> From: John Stewart Subject: Re: Ultralinear transformers? References: <11ebiaha7hc4i59@corp.supernews.com> <1122376834.296691.240210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:24:56 -0400 "electron@grapevine.net" wrote: > David Axt wrote: > > How do they work and why are they called "ultralinear"? > > > > Thanks. I will take my answer of the air. > > > > -David > > Hi Dave, > > Topic sort of OT for this group- don't you hang at rec.audio.tubes too > (? maybe you didn't want to start a flame war there.) > > Short answer : an 'ultralinear' output transformer has additional > primary winding tap(s) for connection to a beam power tetrode or > pentode's 'screen' element(s). Rather than 'waste' the power tube's > modulated screen current (usually voltage dropped / current limited > through fixed 'screen resistors' off of B+, i.e. the 470 ohm units > you're used to seeing in a typical push-pull Fender output circuit), > the tube's screen current is drawn through the output transformer > (which allows the modulated screen current to be 'added' to the over > all circuit signal output, hence the power difference i.e. between > Fender 'regular 100 watt' Twin Reverbs and 'ultralinear 135 watt' Twin > Reverbs.) Well, sort of. But lets have a look at why the distortion produced might be less. And clear up some misconceptions while we are at it! Pentodes & Beam tubes are current sources & as a result do not control complex loads such as loudspeakers very well at all without some help. On the other hand triodes are usually applied as voltage sources so that they have very good control of complex loads. But in ordinary Class A or AB they can't manage the power output of a similar or the same pentode connected as a triode. UltraLinear (UL) provides us with a connexion that gets us some benefits from both worlds. But that comes at a price. The better control of the load by triodes usually results in lower distortion of the resulting signal in the load, usually a loudspeaker. At the loudspeaker resonance(s) the voltage does not rise much at all. Compare that to a pentode output stage where you can get a 20 db rise in output signal at speaker resonance. That 20 db rise is one of the reasons why a full loop negative feedback (NFB) connexion often results in amplifier instability when pentode output is used. You might have set the NFB at 10 db at mid-band, say one khz, but at speaker resonance that gets you 30 db NFB! So your amp starts to oscillate. The UL connexion gives you a source impedance intermediate between that possible while using triodes or pentodes. Commonly used taps are 20% & 43%, but many other connexions are possible. I've also used 10% & 50% to get the performance I wanted. Compared to the pentode connexion where the source looks like many times the load impedance, commonly used UL connexions will get you a source approximately equal to the load impedance. That translates to a Damping Factor (DF) of about one. At loudspeaker resonance the output signal in this hookup rises only 2-4 db. So that makes life much simpler for those of us who would like to use full loop NFB. How about the downside? Contrary to what many think, the UL connexion does not get you anymore power, even though the screen current(s) are running through the Output Transformer (OPT) primary. If it were so, then at 100% UL which is Triode there would be even more power available. But there isn't. In fact, quite a bit less then straight pentode or any other setting of the UL connexion. Another way of looking at that appears in the plate family of curves comparing any of the commonly used tubes for UL applications. Many sets of curves are published showing pentode, UL & Triode connexion for the same tube. All one needs to do is look at the zero bias curve. On the pentode set the zero bias curve is much farther to the left than on the same tubes triode curves. The UL curves are intermediate. So the pentode loadline is always much longer & hence more power output is possible. If there are power output capabilities that don't seem to conform to this explanation, one needs to look further into the circuit to discover where the improvement originates from. The screen & control grid resistors you often see prevent parasitic RF oscillation from occurring by reducing the 'Q' of the leads. But for the most part do not interfere with the audio signal. Another way used by many to improve the performance of pentodes is to use voltage NFB to the cathodes. That is what McIntosh does. Combining both UL & cathode NFB is another possibly. You will find that in the Quad. I did it as well in an extension of Norman Crowhurst's Twin-Coupled Amp of the late 50's. You can read about that one in the August 2004 Issue of AudioXpress Magazine. You can build it with about 200.00 USD parts or even less depending on your junk box! Not bad & it manages 37 watts output. Cheers, John Stewart > The term 'ultralinear' refers to the fact that when enabling said tube > screen connections to the output transformer, additional local negative > feedback is developed in the circuit's operation (that improves the > stage's transfer characteristic linearity, increased negative feedback > = lower measured output signal distortion.) FWIW David Hafler (and ?) > is given credit for developing this configuration. > > -Robert Article: 319786 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42E78D77.E74F1A2D@sympatico.ca> From: John Stewart Subject: Re: Ultralinear transformers? References: <11ebiaha7hc4i59@corp.supernews.com> <1122376834.296691.240210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:34:47 -0400 Browser wrote: > "David Hafler (and ?) is given credit for developing this configuration" > Maybe so, with emphasis on "developing" i.e. improving, as opposed to > "inventing". > > Alan Blumlein patented (US 496,883) the concept in 1937. > > Kind regards > > Dave McDonald > Johannesburg > David Hafler & Herb Keroes popularized the UL connexion more than anyone in the early 50's. And if you read Haflers interview in the Issues 14 & 15 of Vacuum Tube Valley (VTV) it seems he would have us believe UL was 'hatched' in their product. I recall some years ago reference to Blumlein as the inventor, but could never find anymore information. Do you have a link or possibly a copy of the original patent? Would be good to have a first hand look at that! Cheers, John Stewart Article: 319787 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: Courier Floor Model 30s ....has ANYONE ever heard of these? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:18:42 -0700 Message-ID: <19790-42E797C2-17@storefull-3155.bay.webtv.net> References: <42E703F4.40405@iristech.com> Check under "United Reproducers" in the Rider index. Five models listed in volume #1. Article: 319788 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: Any News on Bill Turner? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:22:21 -0700 Message-ID: <19790-42E7989D-20@storefull-3155.bay.webtv.net> References: <2LPEe.158127$go.55266@fed1read05> I hope Bill is doing fine. I guess I will mail him a card. Article: 319789 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: Any Freed-Eisemann aficionados out there? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:35:50 -0700 Message-ID: <19791-42E79BC6-3@storefull-3155.bay.webtv.net> References: <42E106C9.8020006@worldnet.att.net> My FE-15 has gold fill in the knobs and panel. Hopefully you can get a cabinet for it. I have a good copy of the cardboard that goes on the back of the cabinet if you get a cabinet without one. From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Thu Jul 28 09:44:35 EDT 2005 Article: 319790 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: 'Re: Any News on Bill Turner? References: <5mLEe.203545$nG6.155894@attbi_s22> <4qmdnViSu8qLB37fRVn-qA@comcast.com> <1122259581.822061.57260@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1122332120.657974.237940@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:23:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1122477825 66.65.49.245 (Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:23:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:23:45 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319790 In article , Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > Or perhaps, "No user servicable parts inside." "Pilot lights soldered into place." (never stopped me before) -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Thu Jul 28 09:44:35 EDT 2005 Article: 319791 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: Help Identify Early Fisher Amp photo References: <1122467313.037313.113780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:29:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1122478147 66.65.49.245 (Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:29:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:29:07 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319791 In article <1122467313.037313.113780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, sharknews@aol.com wrote: > > http://members.aol.com/sharknews/fisherschem.jpg schematic > http://members.aol.com/sharknews/fisherinside.jpg receiver Looks like you're missing the 0A2 tube in that second picture. What does THAT one do, anyone? -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Thu Jul 28 09:44:36 EDT 2005 Article: 319792 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: Zenith C725F References: <1122444602.770801.50300@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 24 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:39:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1122478766 66.65.49.245 (Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:39:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:39:26 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wns13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319792 In article , Brenda Ann wrote: > To use these connections, you want to disconnect the line cord antenna, and > connect either a rabbit ear or outside FM or VHF TV antenna. If you use the > line cord antenna, it should be connected to the F screw. And obviously in the case of the rabbit ears (or the 300-ohm cable dollar-store dipoles I use instead), one wire would connect to the "F" screw and the other to the "G" screw. I once used a UHF loop from a TV set as an FM antenna so I could hide it behind the radio. This was about 14 years ago. I lived in a mysteriously strong signal area (lovely iron bridges to thank for that), where FM radios would function properly with the antenna collapsed and sometimes even better if you removed the whip all-together. Raising the antenna would overload the suckers. Anyway, the UHF loop worked fine for my purposes.... -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 319793 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <11ee5ac2fna036e@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: PA speakers - Worth salvaging? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:10:37 -0400 Message-ID: years ago I wrote an article for ARC about these type speakers with the 70v xfmers. I dont recall the formula now, but the low wattage tap on that gives about 2500 ohms impedance, good enough for most 6F6, 6V6, and even 6L6 output tubes. the trannys are usually 8 to 12w rated, too. so, basically it has some antique radio subbing uses, IF you dont have an original speaker. REMEMBER, kids, NEVER discard an original electrodynamic speaker!!! They can almost always be reconed or repaired or at least used for the field coil in the circuit. Mark Oppat "David Axt" wrote in message news:11ee5ac2fna036e@corp.supernews.com... > I am involved in a construction project where we are tearing down an old > elementary school and constructing a new one. I was walking the site the > other day and noticed that every room has a PA speaker in it. I pulled on > down and noticed that the box was labeled Stromberg Carlson. The speaker > was 8" or 10" and had the 70v transformer bolted to it. The speaker said 16 > ohms. I don't have it in front of me to find the speaker codes. > > Are these speakers worth salvaging or not? > > Thanks, > David > > PS I also found an old Dukane switchboard type system. > > > Article: 319794 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Ultralinear transformers? References: <11ebiaha7hc4i59@corp.supernews.com> <1122376834.296691.240210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <42E78B28.5567F563@sympatico.ca> <1122478318.580887.89880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <8zOFe.5794$6f.5036@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:24:36 GMT > > I was stripping an old, free, or nearly free-cost junker Emerson > chassis (probably a late '40s 5xx model series) a few years ago and > guess what? Surprise! There it was, an extra primary lead (attached to > the screen grid of the 50L6 IIRC); seems fairly advanced for an average > AA5 AM radio, and this was way before the use by David Hafler. I was > also wondering if anyone else recalls an Ultralinear OPT from an AA5, > as this was the first and only one I have seen. > That probably was not an ultralinear circuit, but a hum bucking scheme. The tap would be about 10% and connected to B+. The near end of the tap went to the 1K dropping resistor that in turn went to the second section of the filter cap. The far end of the transformer winding went to the 50C5 plate as usual. The plate resistance (10K) would balance out the 1K resistance as a ratio of 1:10. The hum ripples would cancel out inside the transformer and not be seen by the speaker secondary. And no hum heard. Article: 319795 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Date guess on some old records? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:26:23 GMT I acquired some RCA, Victor and Victrola lable records this morning. "They were my grandmothers." Can't complain, they were free. Enrico Caruso, and other operas in Italian. I'm just curious as to the rough date on these. Some of the records have prices printed on the lable. $1.50 - $4.00. Which I assume HAD to be a bunch at the time. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 319796 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Help Identify Early Fisher Amp photo References: <1122467313.037313.113780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <4GOFe.32229$aA5.28713@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:32:00 GMT Stephanie Weil wrote: > Looks like you're missing the 0A2 tube in that second picture. > > What does THAT one do, anyone? It's a gas voltage regulator tube. 150 Volts. Probably to provide a stable humfree voltage to the tuner osc and/or preamps. Jeff -- "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin "A life lived in fear is a life half lived." Tara Morice as Fran, from the movie "Strictly Ballroom" Article: 319797 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:33:05 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: PayPal References: Message-ID: <35341$42e7b743$4232bd40$30118@COQUI.NET> William Sommerwerck wrote: >>Knife cuts both ways. They (PP) pay 3% interest on your account. > > > But that's an annual percentage (I assume), not a per-transaction fee! And I > don't more than $20 or so (if anything) in my PayPal account. > > Therefore you don't earn any significant interest. Who ya gonna blame for that? -BM Article: 319798 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" References: <1122467313.037313.113780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Help Identify Early Fisher Amp photo Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:37:31 GMT Hi Stephanie, Its the tube equivalent of a zener diode. 150 Volts IIRC. Mark "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message news:slrndefa23.crr.stephanie@home3.gordsven.com... > In article <1122467313.037313.113780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, > sharknews@aol.com wrote: > > > > http://members.aol.com/sharknews/fisherschem.jpg schematic > > http://members.aol.com/sharknews/fisherinside.jpg receiver > > Looks like you're missing the 0A2 tube in that second picture. > > What does THAT one do, anyone? > > -- > Stephanie Weil > New York City, U.S.A. Article: 319799 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42E7B41E.200371E9@sympatico.ca> From: John Stewart Subject: Re: Ultralinear transformers? References: <11ebiaha7hc4i59@corp.supernews.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:19:43 -0400 > > I was stripping an old, free, or nearly free-cost junker Emerson > chassis (probably a late '40s 5xx model series) a few years ago and > guess what? Surprise! There it was, an extra primary lead (attached to > the screen grid of the 50L6 IIRC); seems fairly advanced for an average > AA5 AM radio, and this was way before the use by David Hafler. I was > also wondering if anyone else recalls an Ultralinear OPT from an AA5, > as this was the first and only one I have seen. > > Alan It isn't what you think it might be. Many of the 2nd half of the 30's into the 40's AC/DC sets had a 3nd connexion to the OPT primary. It forms part of the hum bucking circuit, since a half wave rectifier is a problem to smooth. So a hum bucking winding on the OPT was a great help, when electrolytics were not as easy as they are now. The B+ is attached to the primary winding about 3% up from the end. These transformers used to be included in the Hammond catalogues of the 50's & 60's. Think they may be in some I have here. Cheers, John Stewart Article: 319800 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:45:54 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: Re: Date guess on some old records? References: Message-ID: Jeff, Go to rec.music.opera and post your question there. You might also find someone there interested in your records. There is one Caruso record [can't remember the title] that is very desired by collectors. Maybe you have it!? Stewart Article: 319801 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:47:05 -0400 From: -ex- Subject: Re: 1961 Sergio Rodrigues Sheriff "Mole" Chair on eBay (Ends Aug References: <1122482346.905935.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <29a14$42e7ba8b$4232bd40$31269@COQUI.NET> Ike wrote: > Hello Serious Mid-Century Modern Collectors... > > I just posted a very famous and hard-to-find mid-century modern chair > on eBay, Good grief. -BM Article: 319802 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: <1122482346.905935.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 1961 Sergio Rodrigues Sheriff "Mole" Chair on eBay (Ends Aug 5) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:56:51 GMT What an UGLY chair!! -- Mike Schultz "Ike" wrote in message news:1122482346.905935.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hello Serious Mid-Century Modern Collectors... > > I just posted a very famous and hard-to-find mid-century modern chair > on eBay, and I wanted to let everyone here know about it. These come > up for sale very rarely, and usually only at the high-end collectors' > furniture auction and gallery houses. > > The eBay auction is for an original "Sheriff" chair, designed by the > designer Sergio Rodrigues in 1957. The chair won first prize at the > International Furniture Competition in Cantu, Italy, in 1961. On this > occasion ISA, a company in Bergamo, Italy, started to produce and > export it to various countries. > > Also known as the "Mole" soft armchair, it features a beautiful > sculptural teak frame with lathe-turned rounded legs which supports a > large hammock-like tufted cushion in black leather. The cushion is > suspended by pegged adjustable leather straps. This item is badged with > the original metal tag and the frame has the original finish. > Dimensions are 39" wide x 35" long x 29.5" high. > > This particular chair was purchased new in Italy in 1961 by my > grandfather, Bill Hyde, the designer of the Anchor Steam Beer label, > several U.S. postage stamps, and lots of modern advertising art in the > 1950's and 1960's. He furnished his downtown San Francisco studio with > all the coolest Eames and Herman Miller pieces including Herman Miller > cabinets, Eiffel Tower and aluminum Eames chairs, Howard Miller clocks, > slat tables, and every other item you can imagine. > > The eBay item number for this chair is "6549222144" and the auction > closes on August 5, 2005 at 9:15 PM (it is a 10-day auction). I > started the item at $1.00 with no reserve. Here is the link: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6549222144 > > Thank you, and good luck! > Article: 319803 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42E7E14B.26B32E45@sympatico.ca> From: John Stewart Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? References: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 15:32:28 -0400 Paul P wrote: > I'm working on a Bulova 4 tube (1 volt types) battery/AC portable. It has a > "Aerovox 0.1 uf resonant capacitor at 455Khz from circuit ground to chassis. > I put his cap on the B&K checker and verified 0.1 then in series with two > different resistors each (50, 15000 ohms) and a signal gen. I tried to see > the resonant point (455k) by monitoring the voltage across the resistor to > no avail. > > Questions: > > Is this a bad test? Should I use a different series resistor? > > How critical is the fact this is supposed to be "resonant"? Can it be > replaced with a standard cap? > > What should I replace this with for the restoration? > > There is a gimmick described in the RDH4 to leave the leads on a 0.01 uf cap > (different cap value) 1/2 in long each to make it a resonant circuit (I did > not catch the frequency). > > Thanks in advance, > Paul P. GOTO http://www.philcorepairbench.com/tips/svctip37.htm to read all you ever wanted to know about resonant caps. Someone mentioned the 0.01 ceramic with 1/2 inch leads. That one is used in the 10.7 mhz IF strip of many FM receivers. Both are series resonant, so look for a 'suckout'. Cheers, John Stewart Article: 319804 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <1122482346.905935.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 1961 Sergio Rodrigues Sheriff "Mole" Chair on eBay (Ends Aug 5) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:31:41 GMT "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:w7-dnX3E47vpdnrfRVn-jg@giganews.com... > Help me kids, I'm confused. > Is a chair a radio? Is a chair a phonograph? Maybe this one is, in which case it's obviously also... an electric chair. Article: 319805 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Interest group for music collectors From: Larry References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:39:55 -0400 "Gary Tayman" wrote in news:sTAFe.17630$aY6.268@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net: > When Girl Scouts need to > pay royalties for singing songs around a campfire, it's time for a > reality check. > > Know why restaurants don't sing "Happy Birthday" to their patrons on their birthdays? AOL/Time-Warner holds the copyright to "Happy Birthday" and lots of other children's songs. The restaurant would have to PAY every time its sung by their employees. You're right....it's absurd. -- Larry Article: 319806 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Interest group for music collectors From: Larry References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:48:34 -0400 "xrongor" wrote in news:dc70vq$8e8n$1@news3.infoave.net: > the crux of this issue comes down to 'rights'. do you or dont you have > rights to the music. > > If any of you guys get near a really old Hammond A or B or CV or B-1 or B-2 or C-1 or C-2 organ, read the model/serial number plate on it. You'll find it says very plainly: FOR AMATEUR AND EXPERIMENTAL USE ONLY Before WW2, and probably after it, too, it was illegal to play a Hammond tonewheel organ in a public place, for free or for pay, without paying the Hammonds a ROYALTY for playing their organ in a public place. This requirement was slackened by putting this statement on the plaque so you could play it at home, unless you were a professional organist, without breaking the copyright laws of this stupid country. To extend what RIAA wanted you to destroy old records, not "share" them with anyone, you need to read your EULA that comes with all your computer software more closely. It's been illegal for you to sell your copy of Windoze with your old PC since Micro$oft wrote DOS 1.0. You may sell your HARDWARE, but you must uninstall all Micro$oft code, including the operating system, from your hard drive before selling it. The license to use the Windows Operating System is to YOU, not the computer. The new owner is supposed to send billionaire Bill even more money for HIS own personal licensed copy of Windoze... If they can make this stick, why can't FORD force you to crush the Mustang when you are done with it, instead of selling this patented work of art to the kid down the street? -- Larry From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Thu Jul 28 09:44:39 EDT 2005 Article: 319807 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: Help Identify Early Fisher Amp photo References: <1122467313.037313.113780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1122495858.693631.302020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:42:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.245 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1122496967 66.65.49.245 (Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:42:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 16:42:47 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:319807 In article <1122495858.693631.302020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, sharknews@aol.com wrote: > here is the face http://members.aol.com/sharknews/thefisher1.jpg > > One massive speaker with a horn in the middle. Hmmm...I recognize those two FM stations: WNYC-FM 94 (talk & classical) and WQXR-FM 96 (classsical). Both here in New York. Get the missing tube (you can probably buy it online from any number of tube sellers) and then fire up that beast - tune it to 101 Jack FM! That should get your place rocking and people beating on your wall with broomsticks. :D Be a shame if the speaker got separated from the rest of the system. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 319808 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <11ee5ac2fna036e@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: PA speakers - Worth salvaging? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:55:53 GMT "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:X8mdnXQ-vLqeMXrfRVn-3g@comcast.com... > years ago I wrote an article for ARC about these type speakers with the 70v > xfmers. I dont recall the formula now, but the low wattage tap on that > gives about 2500 ohms impedance, good enough for most 6F6, 6V6, and even 6L6 > output tubes. the trannys are usually 8 to 12w rated, too. so, basically > it has some antique radio subbing uses, IF you dont have an original > speaker. It's easy enough if you know the wattage of the tap and the voltage; impedance = voltage^2 [ie squared] / power. Well not exactly so because there is some reactance component to the impedance, but close enough. > REMEMBER, kids, NEVER discard an original electrodynamic speaker!!! They > can almost always be reconed or repaired or at least used for the field coil > in the circuit. Who fixes the cones of these critters? I asked two speaker shops that I found on the web, one (in New York) doesn't do those old speakers and the other one (in Oregon) didn't even answer me. By the way, the guy who's on the old school wrecking crew might want to check if the restrooms had marble walls, and if so see if he can get it out in big pieces. I knew a lady who had recycled a piece of such marble into... a square on which she rolled out candy. It worked well. I sure hope she washed it reeeeeeal good first. > Mark Oppat > > > > "David Axt" wrote in message > news:11ee5ac2fna036e@corp.supernews.com... > > I am involved in a construction project where we are tearing down an old > > elementary school and constructing a new one. I was walking the site the > > other day and noticed that every room has a PA speaker in it. I pulled on > > down and noticed that the box was labeled Stromberg Carlson. The speaker > > was 8" or 10" and had the 70v transformer bolted to it. The speaker said > 16 > > ohms. I don't have it in front of me to find the speaker codes. > > > > Are these speakers worth salvaging or not? > > > > Thanks, > > David > > > > PS I also found an old Dukane switchboard type system. > > > > > > > > > Article: 319809 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: Subject: Re: Interest group for music collectors Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:16:34 GMT "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns96A0AB54E5BA0noone@63.223.7.253... > "xrongor" wrote in > news:dc70vq$8e8n$1@news3.infoave.net: > > > the crux of this issue comes down to 'rights'. do you or dont you have > > rights to the music. In the USA at least, there is no royalty due beyond "first sale" of the physical copy. Swap, trade, give, and receive those old shellacs to your heart's delight. Nobody can stop you. Some of them are even out of copyright (1920 and older) so copies may be made and passed around at will. > If any of you guys get near a really old Hammond A or B or CV or B-1 or B-2 > or C-1 or C-2 organ, read the model/serial number plate on it. You'll find > it says very plainly: > > FOR AMATEUR AND EXPERIMENTAL USE ONLY > > Before WW2, and probably after it, too, it was illegal to play a Hammond > tonewheel organ in a public place, for free or for pay, without paying the > Hammonds a ROYALTY for playing their organ in a public place. This > requirement was slackened by putting this statement on the plaque so you > could play it at home, unless you were a professional organist, without > breaking the copyright laws of this stupid country. This was a patent issue. Those patents have long, long expired. > To extend what RIAA wanted you to destroy old records, not "share" them > with anyone, you need to read your EULA that comes with all your computer > software more closely. It's been illegal for you to sell your copy of > Windoze with your old PC since Micro$oft wrote DOS 1.0. You may sell your > HARDWARE, but you must uninstall all Micro$oft code, including the > operating system, from your hard drive before selling it. The license to > use the Windows Operating System is to YOU, not the computer. The new > owner is supposed to send billionaire Bill even more money for HIS own > personal licensed copy of Windoze... YMMV by version of Windows. Read the license terms included on the distribu tion disk to see what yours says. Windows 2000 Professional was supposedly okay to permanently pass from one (business?) user to another. In such a transfer, all documentation, license certificate, and digital copies including backups had to pass as well and the new user must agree to the original EULA. I've no idea how paranoid XP has gotten. The biggest muck up with businesses is that some times they worked with donated PCs and the software on them. Then along comes the BSA, knocks on their door in a random audit, and asks for proof of license for every single solitary installation of software in house. Unless they were incredibly lucky and had actually gotten and faithfully filed away the licenses on the donated stuff, they were busted. 1 failure out of 1000 machines was enough to bust them. That's one reason more and more businesses have gone to Linux and other open source. Article: 319810 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: Re: Lamp for Wards Airline "Movie Dial" radio References: <9bLFe.20129$bG4.411@fe06.lga> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:17:18 GMT Dave, I was told that the critical part of the lamp was the position of the lamp filament. It has to be in just the right place to hit the center of the projection lens. I have the original spare lamp from my Movie Dial. I'll try to find it and snap a photo of it. Ron Dave McClellan wrote: > Does anyone know what lamp can be used in Ward's Airline "Movie Dial" > radios? All I know is that it appears to be a 6 volt cartridge type lamp. > I assume that the wattage must be quite critical - bright enough to project > the image on the film, and cool enough not to damage the film! I doubt that > the Wards part number would be of any help. > > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks > > Article: 319811 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42E7F723.D40AE8DB@sympatico.ca> From: John Stewart Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? References: <42E7E14B.26B32E45@sympatico.ca> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:05:39 -0400 --------------F7987D934470B3BF27A2EC5B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are the results of some capacitor resonances tests I did a few years ago. To do this you need to keep the test circuit fairly hi-Z. Drive the cap in test thru something like 50 pf & watch the resulting series resonant dip with a scope using a X10 probe. Cheers, John Stewart -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Capacitor Self Resonance December 9, 2001 The first group averages 40 years old. The 2nd group is new production. Manufacturer Capacity Voltage Resonant Microfarads Frequency Group One- Elmenco 0.05 400 2.9 MHZ Aerovox 0.025 600 3.3 Astron 2.00 200 0.4 Aerovox 0.10 600 7.0 Astron 0.25 600 1.2 Mallory 0.25 400 1.2 Group 2- Orange Drop 0.1 600 3.0 (104K) Orange Drop 0.1 600 1.9 (104J) Orange Drop 0.047 600 3.1 (473J) C-TD-33-630 0.33 630 1.6 see page 32 Antique 2002 Catalogue file- Capacitor Self Resonance --------------F7987D934470B3BF27A2EC5B Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here are the results of some capacitor resonances tests I did a few years ago.
To do this you need to keep the test circuit fairly hi-Z. Drive the cap in test thru something like 50 pf & watch the resulting series resonant dip with a scope using a X10 probe.

Cheers, John Stewart

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Capacitor Self Resonance   December 9, 2001

The first group averages 40 years old. The 2nd group is new production.
 

Manufacturer Capacity      Voltage  Resonant
             Microfarads            Frequency

Group One-

Elmenco       0.05          400       2.9 MHZ
Aerovox       0.025         600       3.3
Astron        2.00          200       0.4
Aerovox       0.10          600       7.0
Astron        0.25          600       1.2
Mallory       0.25          400       1.2

Group 2-

Orange Drop   0.1           600       3.0 (104K)
Orange Drop   0.1           600       1.9 (104J)
Orange Drop   0.047         600       3.1 (473J)
C-TD-33-630   0.33          630       1.6 see page 32 Antique 2002 Catalogue

file- Capacitor Self  Resonance
  --------------F7987D934470B3BF27A2EC5B-- Article: 319812 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: Subject: Re: Interest group for music collectors Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:22:50 GMT "John Byrns" wrote in message news:jbyrns-2607052230420001@216-80-74-203.d.enteract.com... > In article , Larry wrote: > > > "collector" wrote in > > news:J5AFe.37$Bw6.478@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au: > > > > > A great Yahoo group for everyone interested in collecting old records and > > > memorabilia > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/musiccollectables > > > > > > All are welcome !!!! > > > > > > > Wow....I bet the RIAA, ASCAP and BMI lawyers will be carefully data mining > > THAT one....(c; > > WOW, I know the record companies wanted to get a law through saying that > once the original purchaser no longer wanted a record, (s)he had to > destroy it rather than selling it, or giving it away, under penalty of > law, but I hadn't heard that they had finally succeeded with the > legislation, I guess I am not surprised though. They don't do this for used CD's, for doggone sure. And no used vinyl record stores have shut down to my knowledge. The logistics of this would have been a nightmare squared, as everyone would have had to retain proof of original purchase. In the brave new world of Ipod music download where no media changes hands that is different in principle because the music file can be tagged at the source with an encrypted identity tracing back to the original purchase. But that genie is so much harder to keep in the bottle. Article: 319813 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <1122482346.905935.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122498064.665792.40850@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 1961 Sergio Rodrigues Sheriff "Mole" Chair on eBay (Ends Aug 5) Message-ID: <20TFe.1076$aT1.193@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:28:30 GMT "frenchy" wrote in message news:1122498064.665792.40850@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Please somebody go bid a million dollars on it and teach the spammer a > lesson.... Keep in mind if you register as yourself and do, you will get on ebay's poop list forever. I suppose a body could make a phony registration at a vacant lot. Article: 319814 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Date guess on some old records? Message-ID: <43TFe.10112$oZ.6133@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:31:44 GMT I had the family Columbia Grafonola for awhile, it now is in the hands of my cousin. One record in the cabinet is Enrico Caruso. "Rigoletto -- la Donna A Mobile." Single sided record, the other side had a label that told about the song. I believe that one is 1912. Another cool record is a Columbia, also 1912, and may have come with the player. It is a demo record, one side describing Columbia's new double-disk record, the other side has a musical selection where you listen for several instruments. "Stewart Schooley" wrote in message news:m_qdnbFgFrKlJ3rfRVn-tg@bright.net... > Jeff, > > Go to rec.music.opera and post your question there. You might also find > someone there interested in your records. There is one Caruso record > [can't remember the title] that is very desired by collectors. Maybe you > have it!? > > Stewart Article: 319815 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <42E7F95E.8E802BC7@sympatico.ca> From: John Stewart Subject: Re: Ultralinear transformers? References: <11ebiaha7hc4i59@corp.supernews.com> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:15:10 -0400 alan.braun@sfcc.ed > I was stripping an old, free, or nearly free-cost junker Emerson > chassis (probably a late '40s 5xx model series) a few years ago and > guess what? Surprise! There it was, an extra primary lead (attached to > the screen grid of the 50L6 IIRC); seems fairly advanced for an average > AA5 AM radio, and this was way before the use by David Hafler. I was > also wondering if anyone else recalls an Ultralinear OPT from an AA5, > as this was the first and only one I have seen. > > Alan The 1960 Hammond catalogue lists two of the humbucking OPT's, both with a 3% humbucking tap. Their model 52 is listed at 5 watts while model 62 is good for 8 watts. How about only $1.50 for the big one? Would be about 10X that now if still available! Cheers, John Stewart Article: 319816 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <1122349240.534144.284480@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Soldering Guns? We Don't Need No Stinking Soldering Guns. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:36:38 GMT "Jim Elfelt" wrote in message news:1122349240.534144.284480@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Check out this new product called "Nanofoil" > http://www.rntfoil.com/rnt-foils/technology.html > > It apparently uses some sort of rapid, heat-producing checmical > reaction to melt solder in a highly localized spot. I wonder what > ignites the reaction? "Eliminating the need for a standard furnace, torch or laser," well, I wish they cited their patent (if it's a process still in patent) so you could look it up at the USPTO, but from this wording I get the idea that the operative word is "standard." You'd need a spark or something hot enough to get the chemical reaction going. A spark would seem unlikely due to electrical discharge sensitivity of many circuits. Maybe a small, scanned laser beam that hits the joints at the edge, or a chemical compound that is poured or sprayed on. Nothing honkin' big enough that it would melt the solder by brute power. Article: 319817 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: Subject: Re: Resonant capacitor from ground to chassis? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 21:41:07 GMT "-ex-" wrote in message news:c3282$42e6b80a$4232be0d$32490@COQUI.NET... > Paul P wrote: > > Now this may be the best of all options. There is a .05 uf across one of > > the power lines to circuit ground. That has been replaced with a Safety cap > > already. > > > > I will defiantly run test with out the cap. > > I recently replaced one of these and the set was a bit troublesome > afterwards. Worked fine with the old resonant ckt still in place. > Finally I connected the new cap directly to chassis with vy short leads > instead of going to the original tie-point. Then it settled down. yeah, at these frequencies things start to become a bit geometry sensitive. the wiring from the place originally bypassed, wending its way through the AC safety bypass capacitor and back to the chassis, can introduce stray inductance where you don't want it. Article: 319818 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" Subject: Micamold "dual" capacitors Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:57:29 -0400 I need to know what the Micamold dual section mica caps looked like, esp. something like a dual 82 pF mica postage stamp cap. Peter P.S. would be interested in buying one if anyone has a good example, even if a near value. Article: 319819 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <11ebiaha7hc4i59@corp.supernews.com> <1122376834.296691.240210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <42E78B28.5567F563@sympatico.ca> <1122478318.580887.89880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <8zOFe.5794$6f.5036@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Ultralinear transformers? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:17:09 GMT "robert casey" wrote in message news:8zOFe.5794$6f.5036@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > > > > > I was stripping an old, free, or nearly free-cost junker Emerson > > chassis (probably a late '40s 5xx model series) a few years ago and > > guess what? Surprise! There it was, an extra primary lead (attached to > > the screen grid of the 50L6 IIRC); seems fairly advanced for an average > > AA5 AM radio, and this was way before the use by David Hafler. I was > > also wondering if anyone else recalls an Ultralinear OPT from an AA5, > > as this was the first and only one I have seen. > > > > That probably was not an ultralinear circuit, but a hum > bucking scheme. The tap would be about 10% and connected > to B+. The near end of the tap went to the 1K dropping > resistor that in turn went to the second section of the > filter cap. The far end of the transformer winding went to > the 50C5 plate as usual. The plate resistance (10K) would > balance out the 1K resistance as a ratio of 1:10. The > hum ripples would cancel out inside the transformer and > not be seen by the speaker secondary. And no hum heard. I see something similar to this in a late 50's "hi-fi" stereo phono amplifier I'm working on (has 50EH5's rather than 50C5). I don't have a schematic and this thing baffaloed me at first because it looked like ultralinear except the stupid thing was bypassed by a large capacitor. The power supply is half wave off of the 120 volt line, through a 10 ohm resistor and then a top hat style rectifier onto a 120 microfarad electrolytic. One tap of each output transformer goes to this. Another tap of each output transformer goes to the respective plate of its 50EH5. And a third tap goes, each through a 1.5K resistor to a common 40 microfarad electrolytic, and the 40 microfarad electrolytic tie point in turn goes to both the 50EH5 screen grids. Also from there goes another resistor to a 20 microfarad electrolytic which in turn feeds the circuitry of a 12AX7 preamp. Hum bucking does sound like a sensible explanation. The thing still hums audibly during operation, but not obnoxiously so. I am wondering whether, if I replace that old tank electrolytic with a honkin' 1000 microfarad capacitor (also upgrading the diode to one that tolerates more surge current) and use individual 47 and 22 microfarad capacitors inside the chassis rather than on top, it will create any trouble with the hum bucking or some other obscure thing backfiring on me. The hoped effect is that it will virtually silence the hum. The old electrolytic is inside a ratty, scraped paper sleeve and protrudes from the top of the chassis, and it will be easier to clamp the new 1000 mfd in its place than try to rebuild something that's not all that old (though I'll keep it for possible future use). I'm also thinking of doing a mod that would feed the tube heaters off of this beefed up B+ (with suitable hollow dropping power resistor mounted artfully on top of chassis over a vertical bolt) to cut out that source of hum too, as well as serving to bleed down the 1000 mfd capacitor within a reasonable time after turn-off. I guess you can tell I'm more of a hacker than a preservationist though I want to do it so it continues to look nice. This thing has also got two 8 inch speakers with whizzer cones in it, in an open backed cabinet. If I change to a speaker set that has a broader response than these originals (Quam makes an inexpensive, high sensitivity [98dB] 40Hz-18kHz model, intended as a ceiling hi-fi speaker, that will fit nicely) would that be likely to introduce instability into the amplifier due to different resonance? The more I look at it, the more I admire what the engineers did with 20% tolerance components so I don't want to royally screw it up. The speaker panels even have vertical baffles that seem to be there to break up the narrow dispersion pattern from the whizzer cones so you get high frequencies in your stereo sound. Although, hooked up on a transistor radio, these speakers sound really tinny. (It's not the radio's fault because it sounds pretty impressive through a 3-way hi-fi speaker set I have, rated at 30-25,000 Hz, same impedance.) - Redneck Article: 319820 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <1122349240.534144.284480@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122380433.204082.145260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Soldering Guns? We Don't Need No Stinking Soldering Guns. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:19:34 GMT wrote in message news:1122380433.204082.145260@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hmm... Magnesium I'd bet. Ignited by hand or machine. It'd need an oxidizer, and the resultant chemical compound can't be such as to prevent the formation of a solder joint. Article: 319821 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <1122482346.905935.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122502598.205656.121820@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 1961 Sergio Rodrigues Sheriff "Mole" Chair on eBay (Ends Aug 5) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:37:33 GMT "No longer amused" wrote in message news:1122502598.205656.121820@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Ike never reads this group. It has "antiques" in the name. If it were > sci.electronics.radio+phono.tubes or rec.audio.radio+phono.tubes etc it > wouldn't get these posts. These posters use keywords, and "antiques" is > why they hit here. It has been repeated brought up that the only thing > you can accomplish by responding to auto-generated or random hit and > run posts is to vent your frustration into thin air (or at least the > air of the other groups that may be involved. > > Perhaps it got worse while I was away? > > How sad, but it doesn't take me to bug you either. > > Better luck in any case. Come to think of it, there is a more aggressive crowd on rec.motorcycles.harley ( you know them rowdy bikers ) who will respond to a spam by repeating the contact email address over and over in the ng so it looks like a juicy target for email address harvesters. They'll also tell ebay about the ng abuse if it involves ebay and the ng spammer doesn't promptly apologize, and ebay will shut down the ng abuser's account. I don't want to go to that bother but maybe some others might. Article: 319822 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <1122448486.717348.4460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <24903-42E77BB1-9@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: CTC-10 testing - B&W... and purple Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:42:34 GMT "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message news:24903-42E77BB1-9@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net... > P.S. > Frenchy, a heads-up in case you run into this symptom in a > CTC-15, 16, 17, or 25 chassis. Loss of the 3.58 referance signal (usualy > from an open 'reactance' coil) will result in a 'green only' display > where the colors should be. > oc Magenta (blue+red) is complementary to green, so some polarity reversal somewhere...? Article: 319823 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <1xyEe.56951$iU.35500@lakeread05> <2ZWEe.16594$aY6.1911@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Decoder Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:48:12 GMT "robert casey" wrote in message news:2ZWEe.16594$aY6.1911@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > William R. Walsh wrote: > > > I think you might mean: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7338818065 > > > > The other goes to a bidder listing. > > > > > I saw the slogan on the back of the decoder "Not a failure > in a million". Today that would be "Not a good one in a > million" :-) They surely mean fresh off the factory line. No aging tests .... Article: 319824 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: Subject: Re: Farewell to a dear friend... Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:58:25 GMT "Sparky" wrote in message news:IdgFe.2936$Q75.567529@newshog.newsread.com... > > "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message > news:gfSdndnBs5g-Dn7fRVn-tg@comcast.com... > > >> Although I broadly agree with the overall thrust of this essay, it > > >> nevertheless represents a fundamentally reactionary point of view aimed > > at > > >> encouraging people to "know their place" and not attempt to change > > things. > > > > > As Usual William... you have taken it wrong! > > > > Not really. I'm all in favor of common sense -- and just as quick to > > criticize those on the left who seem to lack it. I simply object to > "common > > sense" as an excuse to support those in power. It is /not/ common sense to > > "stop whining and do your job". > > > It is common sense to know enough not to pour hot coffee on your > crotch. And a person with common sense would say 'Oh Sh*t" if > an accident did happen and get on with life. > But then the bitch that sued may not have had a life anyway. Lawyers are wonderlicious things ain't they... There turned out to be a core of valid logic in this. The McDonald's coffee scalding turned out to have been far worse (extensive 3rd-degree burns) than it would have been if they had followed the restaurant safety regulations already in place about the temperature of coffee served in take out containers to people in cars. The coffee was about 25 degrees F hotter than it should have been, a significant difference in safety at those elevated temperatures. I've heard they kept the coffee hotter to make it taste better, longer. I dunno, I never drink coffee. So McD ended up settling for a few grand, she went away, and they observe the safety regulations now and the cups even have warnings all over them that say it's "hot!". Article: 319825 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <42e8074f.20188585@news1.news.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: Philco 70 Low-Freq. Sensitivity Issue Question Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:03:47 -0400 "Space Charge" wrote in message news:42e8074f.20188585@news1.news.adelphia.net... > Have an overhauled Philco 70 on the bench right now that's a great > deal more sensitive at the high freq end than the low...I know this is > a general characteristic of early sets in general, but wondered if > this case (which seems worse than usual) has something specific to the > model 70 I'm not aware of. > > Lin/KJ6EF Make sure the antenna link coupling coil isn't open. Open winding has enough capacitive coupling for the high to work, not enough to make up for inductive coupling losses on low end. If link okay, check IF alignment. Misaligned IF will throw off the low end tracking. High end errors are easily corrected by the trimmers and wider response due to arithemetic selectivity Pete k1zjh. Article: 319826 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Don Wall Subject: Dumont 348 manual Message-ID: <3CUFe.2755$_u5.2251@trndny03> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:17:19 GMT I'm looking for an owner's manual or service manual for a Dumont 348 oscillator. Photocopies OK. Don Wall don.akela@verizon.net Article: 319827 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Hagman" Subject: Re: Now that's one expensive cathedral Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <11eg5p3q95oqj0a@corp.supernews.com> References: <6ocFe.19$ah4.5@lakeread05> <11eda1jc1nu6bb7@corp.supernews.com> <1122430655.626333.289890@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1122430655.626333.289890@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > by the way john...great job on the > restoration on the SC. in my opinion, that is what a restored radio > should look like. > Thanks Eddie! When you only refinish the top and control panel like I did it forces you to match what was there rather than "improve" it. I was being tongue and cheek about the glossy finish. In truth radios seem to have come in quite glossy to satin depending on who made it and when. If your cabinet is cheap, a glossy finish isn't going to help things, for example. John H. Article: 319828 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Interest group for music collectors Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:31:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In Larry writes: >you must uninstall all Micro$oft code, including the >operating system, from your hard drive before selling it. A very good idea. If only vendors would follow this rule, the world would be a better place. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 319829 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <1122166186.873116.296510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wanted old tube type US Forest Service Radios & Literature Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:31:43 GMT "imaham" wrote in message news:1122166186.873116.296510@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Hi, > > I'm looking for old portable, sixed station, or modile tube type US > Forest Service transmitters, tranceivers, and receivers. I'd also like > any literature about them as well. Many come in gray wooded cases. > > Thanks, > > Jim > > NU6AM "i'm a ham ham i am" what the world is a sixed station or a wooded case? Article: 319830 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Philco 70 Low-Freq. Sensitivity Issue Question References: <42e8074f.20188585@news1.news.adelphia.net> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:38:56 -0400 And make sure the RF tank is tracking with the OSC freq. Ken Space Charge wrote: > Have an overhauled Philco 70 on the bench right now that's a great > deal more sensitive at the high freq end than the low...I know this is > a general characteristic of early sets in general, but wondered if > this case (which seems worse than usual) has something specific to the > model 70 I'm not aware of. > > I suspected some oscillator component problems, and replaced the > resistor and cap across the 600 Khz trimmer with a silver mica type > and a good 5% carbon resistor...and that helped a bit...then replaced > the "S" 224's with some 24A "ST"'s, (a few more micromhos?) and things > improved a bit more. > > But it's still not as "hot" down at the low end as it should be, > methinks, even taking into consideration the tendency of sets of this > era to have that problem...or is this just a Philco 70 thing? > > All tubes were tested on a Hickok 539B, and the set was given a > through IF/RF alignment after the tubes were replaced. > > Oh, and the set seems to have no reference as to whether or not it's > above or below S/N 22,000...the tag is gone, and there's just a > chassis stamp #. The component complement seems to indicate it's a > hybrid of the two...must have been a "transitional" production unit. > (?) > > Ideas, comments...? > > Thanks to the group in advance, > > Lin/KJ6EF > For email responses, remove "nospam_". Article: 319831 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: Subject: Re: Now that's one expensive cathedral Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:43:46 GMT "Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:grZEe.51559$Kp2.2566982@twister.southeast.rr.com... > Now that's one expensive cathedral. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6546295646&category=38034&rd=1 > > > $1635.15 for a "restored" AK-82. > > Ron A quote from the blurb: "a piece of reproduction fabric covered wire is provided, just unroll and drop to the floor for an antenna, and the set will get all your local stations just fine." ASSUMING, you don't have any cats or kittens around the house! They would do a quick and wonderful job of customizing said antenna for higher frequencies............. Article: 319832 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: 1961 Sergio Rodrigues Sheriff "Mole" Chair on eBay (Ends Aug References: <1122482346.905935.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:47:19 GMT Ike wrote: > Hello Serious Mid-Century Modern Collectors... > Ike, even though this newsgroup says "antique" in its name, we're not into old chairs and such. Just old radios and record players. Article: 319833 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Interest group for music collectors From: Larry References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:55:25 -0400 "HiTech RedNeck" wrote in news:KWSFe.1074$aT1.345@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com: > in principle because the music file > can be tagged at the source with an encrypted identity tracing back to > the original purchase. Doesn't work. Products like Total Recorder (http://www.highcriteria.com for $29) is a proxy server that sits between the operating system and the soundcard. It will rip any sound source, either on its way to the soundcard from software like RealAudio, or from the soundcard with an external audio source plugged into it like the computer's own CD player playing an audio CD. Because they can't send the encryption data to the soundcard or from the soundcard's conversion of analog audio, what Total Recorder converts to whatever codec you like (selectable) is unencrypted. It's a great product. I like to rip BBC radio shows directly to MP3 files on my 100GB Digital Mind Xclef 500 plugged into the USB2 port as a portable hard drive. (http://www.digmind.com) Then, I can listen to BBC's fine programs anywhere...car, plane, drowning out WalMart's overhead spam noise. Of course you don't really need to worry about encryption. There's 20,000 songs a day posted to alt.binaries.sounds.mp3 newsgroups...ad nauseum. Your worry there is if you have enough hard drives (660GB here) and CDRs to store it all..(c; The hackers will take care of any encryption scheme RIAA ever invents. They live to crack it...(c; -- Larry Article: 319834 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "John Hagman" Subject: Re: Google Search broken? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:55:13 -0400 Message-ID: <11eg7n3to98lcbb@corp.supernews.com> References: "Phil B" wrote in message news:EoydncXu4JoPu3rfRVn-gQ@comcast.com... > > 2. Add wording near the top on the home page that contains the most > likely search phrases. You need to be creative so it doesn't sound > strange. Use the old eBay trick- white lettering on a white background. The crawlers will still read it fine. John H. Article: 319835 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: 1961 Sergio Rodrigues Sheriff "Mole" Chair on eBay (Ends Aug References: <1122482346.905935.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1122502598.205656.121820@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 23:55:53 GMT > > Perhaps it got worse while I was away? > Can't remember seeing similar moderately off topic posts in RARP in a long time. Looks like a one time mistake, and if he's smart, he'll avoid us again :-) RARP probably shouldn't be in the "rec.antique" branch of newsgroups, but somewhere in the "sci.electronics" area. Maybe "sci.electronics.antique" Too late to change it now, tons of links would go dead... Article: 319836 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT: Political rant. Was Re: Good morning all From: Larry References: <1122500898.000029.211810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 20:02:30 -0400 "No longer amused" wrote in news:1122500898.000029.211810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > More to do with transportation costs. Like if you are near a pipeline > (most of Idaho and a lot of Oregon isn't so it is tankered) or how far > you are from the nearest refinery or distribution point. > > The tank farms are in North Charleston on the Cooper River. The pipelines come here, too. But, alas, 50 miles up I-26 the diesel fuel prices drop. I, too, think it's a rip. Remember when competition got them in gas price wars....before there was PRICE FIXING? -- Larry Article: 319837 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: OT: Political rant. Was Re: Good morning all Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 07:05:49 +0900 Message-ID: References: <42e57c45@nntp.onyx.net> <1122500898.000029.211810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "No longer amused" wrote in message news:1122500898.000029.211810@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > > > > Probably the CA blend is the most expensive of the lot?... Strange > > that I am 2 hours away from Indianapolis.... and 4 hours away from > > Chicago... and our Gas is always 20 cents higher than Indy.... > > about the same I think as Chicago which I know is a different blend.. > > > > think somebody is bending us over a little here... > > > > John k9uwa > > More to do with transportation costs. Like if you are near a pipeline > (most of Idaho and a lot of Oregon isn't so it is tankered) or how far > you are from the nearest refinery or distribution point. > > My father work at gas stations or ran his own for 35 years. I can't say how they do it now, but back in the 70's when I lived in the oil country in Wyoming, I asked one of the workers why gas prices there were so high compared to where we had just moved from (Corpus Christi). He told me that it didn't matter where the oil or the refineries were, that all oil/gasoline was shipped FOB Dallas. In other words, even if you have a refinery just outside of your town (in this case, Casper, WY) and they deliver gas from that refinery to your local gas station, it is still charged for freight purpose as if it were being transported from Dallas. Article: 319838 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Ultralinear transformers? References: <11ebiaha7hc4i59@corp.supernews.com> <1122376834.296691.240210@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <42E78B28.5567F563@sympatico.ca> <1122478318.580887.89880@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <8zOFe.5794$6f.5036@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:05:51 GMT > I am wondering whether, if I replace that old tank electrolytic with a > honkin' 1000 microfarad capacitor (also upgrading the diode to one that > tolerates more surge current) and use individual 47 and 22 microfarad > capacitors inside the chassis rather than on top, it will create any trouble > with the hum bucking or some other obscure thing backfiring on me. The > hoped effect is that it will virtually silence the hum. The old > electrolytic is inside a ratty, scraped paper sleeve and protrudes from the > top of the chassis, and it will be easier to clamp the new 1000 mfd in its > place than try to rebuild something that's not all that old (though I'll > keep it for possible future use). A filter cap of that style and age has probably dried up some and lost lots of capacitance, thus allowing lots of hum. The hum bucking scheme isn't perfect. A 100 or 200uF cap should work well enough. Also a 47uF to 100uF cap for the old 22uF cap would also be good. Remove the old cap's connections when you connect up the new caps. The hum bucking circuit will still work, it would just see less hum to buck. As for the heaters, I'd create a separate diode and cap for it. Tubes prefer the heater be positive in respect to the cathodes for lower noise anyway. Article: 319839 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: PA speakers - Worth salvaging? References: <11ee5ac2fna036e@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <_oVFe.10198$oZ.2596@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:11:38 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > years ago I wrote an article for ARC about these type speakers with the 70v > xfmers. I dont recall the formula now, but the low wattage tap on that > gives about 2500 ohms impedance, good enough for most 6F6, 6V6, and even 6L6 > output tubes. the trannys are usually 8 to 12w rated, too. so, basically > it has some antique radio subbing uses, IF you dont have an original > speaker. > In theory, one should restack the lams to allow for the DC current >from the output tube (assuming "single ended" class A here). The core gets saturated if you don't, but I've not done this and have "gotten away with it". I suppose only part of the core saturates, and the other part still operates. Don't know how much DC it takes to partly saturate a particular transformer... Article: 319840 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: CTC-10 testing - B&W... and purple References: <1122448486.717348.4460@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <24903-42E77BB1-9@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <%sVFe.10201$oZ.470@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:15:55 GMT HiTech RedNeck wrote: > "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message > news:24903-42E77BB1-9@storefull-3178.bay.webtv.net... > >>P.S. >> Frenchy, a heads-up in case you run into this symptom in a >>CTC-15, 16, 17, or 25 chassis. Loss of the 3.58 referance signal (usualy >>from an open 'reactance' coil) will result in a 'green only' display >>where the colors should be. >> oc > > > Magenta (blue+red) is complementary to green, so some polarity reversal > somewhere...? > > Could be the green decoded color difference signal is "broken". Most tube color sets had a B-Y and a R-Y demodulator, and then created G-Y by combining inverted portions of R-Y and B-Y. So you may have a set that is getting on its CRT guns a red signal on the red gun, blue signal on the blue gun, but only B&W (luma, or Y) on the green gun. A lack of green will make the set look purplish (magenta). Article: 319841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <1121969216.788834.157320@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 12V plate tubes... many types! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:28:17 GMT wrote in message news:1121969216.788834.157320@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Mark Oppat wrote: > > > Their use in production radios was fairly short, I think the first use of > > these was 1956 model year, and they were done by about 1964 I think... > > More logically, just the natural extension of much earlier low-volt DC > receiving tube use in light aircraft radios & etc. It had long been > known (& used) that even higher-volt designed tubes could be > practically used at these low voltages, so it seems natural that newer > ones would be optimized for it. AFAIK the use of low-volt tubes in > practical gear goes back to the beginning of the loctal era, if not > further. What were some of the high volt tubes that could be pressed into the low volt configuration of having the full "B+" on grid #1 (to overcome space charge) and control signal on grid #2. I guess 12AU6 and the like (pentodes) could serve, but with not much gain because the original screen grid was not very close to the original control grid. Also space charge or no, I remember as a kid experimenter running a 25L6 off of 9 volt flashlight batteries with a headphone output, in a high voltage like configured circuit. According to all the orthodox texts that kind of low voltage should have never worked. The silly thing actually still significantly amplified the input signal source (a phono cartridge), in a way that did not sound distorted at all, and I proved that the responsible agent was the tube by cutting off the power to the heater and hearing the output signal die after a second or two. And there are starved-plate triode amplifiers in certain guitar tube preamps to this day, using much less than 24 volts for a B+. Article: 319842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: PayPal Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:40:18 +0900 Message-ID: References: <35341$42e7b743$4232bd40$30118@COQUI.NET> "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:n4WdnTygIIEGjXXfRVn-gg@comcast.com... > >>> Knife cuts both ways. They (PP) pay 3% interest on your account. > > >> But that's an annual percentage (I assume), not a per-transaction fee! > And I > >> don't more than $20 or so (if anything) in my PayPal account. > > > Therefore you don't earn any significant interest. Who ya gonna blame > > for that? > > Duh. 3% per annum is hardly significant interest -- especially when you're > paying nearly 3% on each transaction. > That they give interest at all is significant. My credit union gives less than 1% APR. PayPal is a service.. they have a right to charge for that service. I'm quite happy to pay for the ability to have and use my money >from sales immediately and not have to wait 10 days for a money order/check to get here, and another 4-7 days for it to clear my account before I can use it. Article: 319843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "HiTech RedNeck" References: <1121791090.788063.105880@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Eveready E163 replacement/sub? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 00:50:38 GMT "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns969887118EB15noone@63.223.7.253... > "frenchy" wrote in > news:1121791090.788063.105880@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > > Any available substitutes, or something close, for an Eveready mercury > > battery for an early 1960's TV remote control? #E163, 4.2 volts, about > > half as tall as an AA but maybe a little fatter. Something smaller > > than this battery would be ok, not particular about what it looks like > > after it's buttoned up. If I have to modify the connections, no > > problem. thanks!....Frenchy > > > > > > According to http://tes.com/discontinue.html E-163 subs with: > > E163 > 4.2 > Mercuric Oxide > N/A > N/A > 25.5 > 16.8 > 33.2 > N/A > N/A > EN133 4.5V > 17.1 D, 49.9 Ht. > > Unfortunately, EN133 is also a 256MB Kingston memory SIP which makes > finding a battery with that number on the net damned near impossible trying > to sell you computer parts....dammit. > > We're lucky E164 and EN133 isn't the rear muffler bracket for the '72 Ford > Pinto, though. That would generate millions of hits! Google has a "-" search function for specifying a -whateveryoudontwant type of option in the search form. Using that with buzzwords like simm, dimm, kingston, etc. winnows the field way down. Unfortunately seems no source is apparent. Eveready (for one) has an "email us" function on their website that could assist in finding a battery of similar voltage and form factor. Or just go scrutinize a display of Eveready, Duracell, etc. specialty batteries at your local home center or even major drugstore. It sounds like, if worse came to worst, it might be possible to stack three button type 1.5's (I'd suggest lithiums) into the requisite height with a few washers on the bottom to make it tall enough if needed, and all strapped together with paper masking tape. Article: 319844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: 1961 Sergio Rodrigues Sheriff "Mole" Chair on eBay (Ends Aug 5) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:02:06 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1122482346.905935.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> i didnt think enough people had commented on this yet so i figured i better get in on the 'kick the dead dog' party too. you idiot, this is a radio and phono group, not a chair group. wow. i really DO feel better! randy "Ike" wrote in message news:1122482346.905935.250490@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hello Serious Mid-Century Modern Collectors... > > I just posted a very famous and hard-to-find mid-century modern chair > on eBay, and I wanted to let everyone here know about it. These come > up for sale very rarely, and usually only at the high-end collectors' > furniture auction and gallery houses. > > The eBay auction is for an original "Sheriff" chair, designed by the > designer Sergio Rodrigues in 1957. The chair won first prize at the > International Furniture Competition in Cantu, Italy, in 1961. On this > occasion ISA, a company in Bergamo, Italy, started to produce and > export it to various countries. > > Also known as the "Mole" soft armchair, it features a beautiful > sculptural teak frame with lathe-turned rounded legs which supports a > large hammock-like tufted cushion in black leather. The cushion is > suspended by pegged adjustable leather straps. This item is badged with > the original metal tag and the frame has the original finish. > Dimensions are 39" wide x 35" long x 29.5" high. > > This particular chair was purchased new in Italy in 1961 by my > grandfather, Bill Hyde, the designer of the Anchor Steam Beer label, > several U.S. postage stamps, and lots of modern advertising art in the > 1950's and 1960's. He furnished his downtown San Francisco studio with > all the coolest Eames and Herman Miller pieces including Herman Miller > cabinets, Eiffel Tower and aluminum Eames chairs, Howard Miller clocks, > slat tables, and every other item you can imagine. > > The eBay item number for this chair is "6549222144" and the auction > closes on August 5, 2005 at 9:15 PM (it is a 10-day auction). I > started the item at $1.00 with no reserve. Here is the link: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6549222144 > > Thank you, and good luck! > Article: 319845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: PayPal Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:06:30 -0600 Message-ID: References: <35341$42e7b743$4232bd40$30118@COQUI.NET> <5qWdnZK8YeresHXfRVn-hg@comcast.com> "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:5qWdnZK8YeresHXfRVn-hg@comcast.com... >> That they give interest at all is significant. My credit union gives less >> than 1% APR. PayPal is a service.. they have a right to charge for that >> service. > > It's not "if", it's "how much". > > >> I'm quite happy to pay for the ability to have and use my money from >> sales immediately and not have to wait 10 days for a money order/check >> to get here, and another 4-7 days for it to clear my account before I can >> use it. > > Exactly. And that's why they can get away charging twice what credit-card > companies charge. whats your point man. should all businesses be required to get your approval before deciding on a fee for a service? if you want to cry about businesses overcharging, i think paypal is a ridiculous place to start... randy