Article: 322830 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" References: Subject: Re: Seeburg HF100G Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:06:48 GMT Hi Paul, The Victory reprint of the Seeburg will have all electrical and mechanical info. The Seeburg manuals of that era are very good. You can supplement this with 3rd party restoration video's and/or books. The Mike Zuccaro video and book is a good beginner guide and will help you avoid common pitfalls. http://www.alwaysjukin.com/AlwaysFrame.asp?Display=reference Mark "Paul P" wrote in message news:tQVWe.263738$5N3.116007@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Does anyone know what manual should be ordered for the upper deck record > changer part of this unit? > > These are two great sites you guys suggested. Thanks!!!! > > Paul. > > Article: 322831 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Help with Zenith 6D525- won't power up From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1125499798.405520.265100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1126972493.892700.298370@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:11:38 GMT In article <1126972493.892700.298370@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, lanew@adelphia.net says... > > >> > >> take Ohm Meter and check from the base of that old Can to the >> Chassis...bet its a lot more than Zero.... that can is insulated >> from the chassis.... look close... >> John k9uwa > >OK, back from vacation now. You are right, John, the old can is, in >fact, isolated from the chassis. On advice from another web site, I >connected the negatives to the twist tab that holds the can to the >chassis - thats also where the original connections were. Now I cant >figure out if that was right or not -or if it was the positives that >should have gone there. > >I have the replacement tube now, but I'm afraid to power it up until I >figure this out > >Thanks all for the help > THink you have it right now... the negative should go to the outer twist tabs on the old can which is insulated from chassis.. the positives should go same place as the old can..... in the olden days.... techs just left the whole entire original capacitor there... and hopped the new one in parallel with the original. Not good practice really... but it did work... today... we would leave the whole negative side alone... remove the positive wires from old cap and fasten to new caps... then negative of new caps to the twist outer tabs.... plug in the tube... bet it works John k9uwa Article: 322832 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" Subject: Kutztown Finds/Help with Condenser Mic ID Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 14:39:17 GMT Hi All, I was only able to get up to Kutztown on Friday. Still was quite a bit going on. I picked up some odds and ends parts. I'm not in the market for much right now, but I couldn't resist a ca. 1959 Webcor powered speaker cab ($10). It is three way and has an internal 10 watt push-pull line level amp powered by 12AB5's. Not the usual output tubes. Schematic was pasted inside the cab, so it will be very easy to get running. Might make a funky guitar amp, phono amp, or extension for my new Theremin. I can post a picture if anybody is interested. Also found an old condenser mic capsule. I've posted some picts on the binaries. Can anybody ID this item? I'm going to try and replace the diaphragm and build up a small tube preamp. Not sure how it will sound, but it will be an interesting project. Thanks in advance for any help. Mark Article: 322833 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" Subject: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. Bill Article: 322834 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Janssen Subject: ? Fluke 8600A service manual Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:19:17 GMT Is a service manual available for this Fluke meter (8600A)? I accidentally tried to measure about 6000 volts and the meter doesn't work. I opened it up and can't see anything burned but the input traces go under the input switch and I cant tell where they go from the switches. I really need a schematic if I have any hope of repairing this thing. Thanks Bill K7NOM Article: 322835 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:32:58 -0400 Message-ID: <432edadb$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> Bill, What is your Ebay Id, I am very interested "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... > Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 > version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working > Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with > working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. > > Bill > > Article: 322836 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:35:07 -0400 Message-ID: <432edb5c$0$14232$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> I found them , very impressive. Are you going to be selling those out right as well? I would like several. Larry Fowkes larry@lfowkes dot com "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... > Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 > version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working > Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with > working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. > > Bill > > Article: 322837 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <432edadb$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:39:54 -0500 Message-ID: <432edbca$0$22208$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> personalradios "Larry Fowkes" wrote in message news:432edadb$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com... > Bill, > > What is your Ebay Id, I am very interested > > > "Bill Morris" wrote in message > news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... >> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 >> version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working >> Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with >> working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. >> >> Bill >> >> > > Article: 322838 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <432edb5c$0$14232$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:40:43 -0500 Message-ID: <432edbfb$0$22204$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> I probably could, though it'll take a little while. I'm concentrating on transistor batteries next. Bill "Larry Fowkes" wrote in message news:432edb5c$0$14232$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com... >I found them , very impressive. Are you going to be selling those out right >as well? I would like several. > > Larry Fowkes > larry@lfowkes dot com > > "Bill Morris" wrote in message > news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... >> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 >> version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working >> Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with >> working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. >> >> Bill >> >> > > Article: 322839 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ? Fluke 8600A service manual From: Larry References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:42:40 -0400 Bill Janssen wrote in news:VFAXe.7383$cg.1876@news02.roc.ny: > I really need a schematic if I have any hope of repairing this thing. > Harbor Freight sells a great little autoranging DVM with F, C and a transistor Hfe tester in it for $39. Can you afford to repair this one?? -- Larry Article: 322840 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <432edb5c$0$14232$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> <432edbfb$0$22204$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:44:41 -0400 Message-ID: <432edd9a$0$14233$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> Ok Bill, I am all over the 1946 version. They all look excellent!! Great work. Larry Fowkes "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:432edbfb$0$22204$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... >I probably could, though it'll take a little while. I'm concentrating on >transistor batteries next. > > Bill > > "Larry Fowkes" wrote in message > news:432edb5c$0$14232$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com... >>I found them , very impressive. Are you going to be selling those out >>right as well? I would like several. >> >> Larry Fowkes >> larry@lfowkes dot com >> >> "Bill Morris" wrote in message >> news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... >>> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 >>> version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working >>> Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with >>> working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >> >> > > Article: 322841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Chong Ong Subject: WTB NOS Eimac 250Th Tube Message-ID: <_rCXe.12064$Ix4.4865@okepread03> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:20:58 -0400 Need a NOS Eimac 250TH for a Signal Corps US Army Radio Transmitter BC-610-I. All tubes are there except this one. Will paypal and if you can ship today or tomorrow it will be great! Let me know how much. Thanks. Chong Ong Article: 322842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 13:44:47 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Ed Schutz... contact me. Message-ID: <46d42$432ef912$4232bd89$869@COQUI.NET> Your message to blacksmith*@*.*** was rejected due to the user exceeding its mailbox quota Article: 322843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Yet another way to wreck a vintage radio Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:49:29 GMT Didya tell him he could get semi-filthy lucre endowed if he put it up for auction? That would make his pinball counters click faster. "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:Iu2dnZ9qErb1m7LeRVn-vQ@giganews.com... > A guy who owns a Crosley 124 cathedral sent me the following in email: > > > My last question is are the glass tubes from this radio > > "worth" anything? If they're good and someone could > > use them to fix up another radio, then I don't want to > > ruin them. If they're a "dime-a-dozen" then I'm going > > to drill an 1/8" hole in the bottoms of them, insert an LED > > and light them up for looks when I retro fit this cabinet with > > a newer working radio. > > The bit about installling LEDs in the old tubes is a new one on me! > > I bit my tongue and was polite when I gave the reasons why butchering this > nice old cathedral is a Bad Idea. > > I also referred him to a nearby collector club in case he wants to restore > the set or dispose of it. > > Finally, I pointed him to one of the many vendors who sell new "Crosley" > radios in vintage-looking cabinets. > > Sheesh. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > Article: 322844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> Subject: FYI Google groups not working right again... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:57:03 GMT The server stalled at midnight...perhaps should be not just a pumpkin, but pie. Article: 322845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: ? Fluke 8600A service manual Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:17:32 -0400 Message-ID: <11iu772r15cg5d1@news.supernews.com> References: I can imagine their sales slogan: "If it works, it's a Fluke!" -- "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 322846 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: Question -- Jack Benny Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 16:28:18 -0400 Here's an excerpt of the text: ------------------------------------------------- WHEN I go into a bank I get rattled. The clerks rattle me; the wickets rattle me; the sight of the money rattles me; everything rattles me. The moment I cross the threshold of a bank and attempt to transact business there, I become an irresponsible idiot. I knew this beforehand, but my salary had been raised to fifty dollars a month and I felt that the bank was the only place for it. So I shambled in and looked timidly round at the clerks. I had an idea that a person about to open an account must needs consult the manager. I went up to a wicket marked "Accountant." The accountant was a tall, cool devil. The very sight of him rattled me. My voice was sepulchral. "Can I see the manager?" I said, and added solemnly, "alone." I don't know why I said "alone." ------------------------------------------------- And so on. I would post the entire thing, since it really isn't very long, but I don't want to run afoul of copyright laws, so if you want more, here is the Source : Leacock, Stephen. «My Financial Career.» Literary Lapses : A Book of Sketches. Montréal : Gazette Printing Co., 1910. p. 5-9 -- "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 322847 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: FYI Google groups not working right again... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 22:03:01 GMT It's crawling back to life (if that's what they call it at Google). "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:jKEXe.1408$wR4.262324@monger.newsread.com... > The server stalled at midnight...perhaps should be not just a pumpkin, but > pie. > > Article: 322848 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: Yet another way to wreck a vintage radio Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:00:25 +0200 Message-ID: References: Phil Nelson wrote: > A guy who owns a Crosley 124 cathedral sent me the following in email: > > > My last question is are the glass tubes from this radio > > "worth" anything? If they're good and someone could > > use them to fix up another radio, then I don't want to > > ruin them. If they're a "dime-a-dozen" then I'm going > > to drill an 1/8" hole in the bottoms of them, insert an LED > > and light them up for looks when I retro fit this cabinet with > > a newer working radio. > > The bit about installling LEDs in the old tubes is a new one on me! Hi Phil, the use of LED _below_ modern tubes is described on http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Leserbriefe/Manfred-6c33-Amp/Manfred-6 C33C.htm Search for "blauen LED" and look at the picture below. The bias adjustment selector is switching a blue LED to show which tube is actual ;-) Unfortunately http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de is German language only. Of course a phantastic source. Kind Regards, Georg Article: 322849 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert Murrell" References: Subject: Re: Radio interfrence from ........ Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:37:02 GMT They contained a diode. It dimmed the light, making last longer by cutting off 1/2 the cycle. They also cause the interference. "Terry" wrote in message news:GExXe.921$0u2.434604@news20.bellglobal.com... > Somewhat off topic but in a way not so? While talking about old-time radio > programmes, pre TV era with an acquaintance with not a great deal of > technical background he claimed the following. > > His parents home was in a small coastal community that received its first > electricity some 50 years ago. > About 40-45 years ago they had some single bulb light fixtures into which > had been fitted some sort of electricity saving 'button'. He would have > been about age 10 at the time. > > The buttons had been purchased through some magazine article (such as > Practical Mechanics) some years before that. > > I too vaguely seem to remember those being advertised? Understood it was a > round disc which was placed into the lamp socket and then the bulb was > screwed back in. I've always presumed it was some sort of diode or maybe a > disc type of resistor? Or maybe it was just 'snake oil' advertising? But > I've never actually seen one! > > Anyway; he claimed that they had one or two of these 'energy saving > buttons' that caused a 'buzzing' type radio interference on certain > stations, when those lights were switched on, especially at night when > they listened to more distant places. Night time 'skip'. > > Maybe the interference was just some sort of loose or heated connection; > but the way he described it it sounds as though the interference was more > coherent than that. He claimed he could tune up and down the AM band when > those particular lights were switched and would get the buzzing noise at > certain points on the dial. With those lights off the buzz disappeared! > > Any idea what those 'electricity saving' buttons were and how they > could/might have affected radio reception. BTW there were no high power > broadcast transmitters around that area AFIK, it was outlying on the > Atlantic coast. The famous Cape Race station was maybe 50 miles away but > it would not have been radiating continuous signals and in fact some/much > of its transmission, in those days, would have been morse (CW) and > therefore easier to identify even by someone who was not familiar with the > code. > > Any comment welcome. > Article: 322850 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Yet another way to wreck a vintage radio Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:39:08 GMT "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote in message news:dgnfua$15h$04$1@news.t-online.com... > > > the use of LED _below_ modern tubes is described on > http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/Leserbriefe/Manfred-6c33-Amp/Manfred-6 > C33C.htm > Search for "blauen LED" and look at the picture below. > The bias adjustment selector is switching a blue LED to show which > tube is actual ;-) > > Unfortunately http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de is German language > only. Of course a phantastic source. > > Kind Regards, > Georg > > > Very pretty workmanship there George! ( http://www.jogis-roehrenbude.de/ Click on Leser-Projekte (left margin), then on "- der 6C33C-PP-Amp im Messingkleid") Translating through Alta Vista's Babelfish works quite well for this site. http://babelfish.altavista.com/ "Möchte man den Ruhestrom einstellen, entfernt man die Schutzkappen der Potis und dreht den Umschalter, abwechselnd je nach Stellung des Drehschalters wird jeweils bei einem Poti eine LED leuchten, gleichzeitig (und nur dann) wird die zugehörige Röhre mit einer blauen LED hinterleuchtet, der entsprechende Ruhestrom ist auf dem Einbauvoltmeter ablesbar." Becomes: "If one would like to stop the quiescent current, one removes the protective caps of the potentiometers and turns the change over switch, alternating depending upon position of the rotary switch with a potentiometer an LED to shine in each case, at the same time (and only then) the associated tube with a blue LED is behind-shone, the appropriate quiescent current is readable on the installation voltmeter." jim menning Article: 322851 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "amp11plzDontSpam" References: Subject: Re: West German RCA 67QR77M am/sw radio Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 00:23:50 GMT Thank you for the idea - I did the quality adjustment when I saved it as a jpeg. Allan "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:MbwXe.1382$wR4.254727@monger.newsread.com... > When you go to save the pix, adjust the setting for quality > (compression)...you can get away with a large reduction in this case and not > really affect viewability. JPEG's are supposed to be lossless or whatever > the word is so it doesn't matter a lot here. > > "amp11plzDontSpam" wrote in message > news:E1vXe.206$zQ3.13@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net... > > Four pictures of an RCA 67QR77M radio that I fixed for a friend are posted > > on the alt.binaries.pictures.radio group. It works remarkably well, > > considering that I did not have a schematic or other documentation so I > did > > not attempt to align it. It did better on shortwave with a 4 foot antenna > > than a radio shack DX-398. > > > > The owner bought it at a PX in Okinawa in about 1958 and gave it to his > > parents as a gift from whom he subsequently inherited it. > > > > Some time ago I posted about documentation for this radio on several > forums. > > A guy that was familiar with RCA service documentation wrote to tell me > that > > RCA did not stock service documentation on this and that the schematic was > > included with the radio. Apparently it was sold for several years, > starting > > in about 1955. If anyone has the documentation for this, I would > appreciate > > even though the radio is working ok now. > > > > The main repairs that I did were to replace the coupling and tone control > > capacitors and to replace the EM-34 with a 1629 (using a voltage doubling > > circuit to get the 12 volt filament voltage for the 1629. > > > > The initial problem that caused it to not work at all, was that a > capacitor > > in the B+ supply to the rf amplifier had a dc resistance of 280 ohms. The > > resistor that fed the plate voltage worked well as a fuse ,but burned so > > thoroughly that I did not know exactly what value to use. I experimented > to > > find a value that generated appropriate values for the relationships > between > > the grid and plate voltages, according to an RCA tube manual that I have - > I > > think that the rf amplifier is a 6BE6 but I cannot find my notes from > > working on the radio and I have returned the radio to its owner. > > > > In any event I thought that it is an interesting radio and that someone > > might have an interest in it. The cabinet is almost identical to that of > an > > RCA 9-INT-1 table radio, although the chassis supports and the dial are > > different. > > > > A note of apology about the photographs - they are a little on the large > > side - I reduced them from their original size and cropped them to reduce > > the posting size, but they are still large. A further apology - this is > the > > first radio that I have photographed, so more art could be brought to the > > taking of the photographs and the image brightness and contrast > > adjustments!! > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > Article: 322852 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: Subject: Re: Kutztown, Kutztown, yeah, yeah . . . Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:06:16 GMT Ive been to the Renningers at Mt Dora, its quite a place too! Sounds like an excellent venue to get a local club started down there and your own version of Kutztown there in the south. Keith "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:kByXe.539$oc.272@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > First off, I'm glad Kutztown was such a success. However you must admit > that it's a long, long way from Sarasota which means it's hard for me to > attend. > > I understand this event is hosted by Renninger's, which also a location > (with some events) in Mt. Dora. Possibly one of these days I'll head in > that direction to see what's happening. > > Meanwhile, we have a humble little tri-annual swap meet here is Sarasota. > It's enjoyable, but it's small. With any luck, that's about to change. The > next date is the first Saturday in December, but I've already been doing my > homework -- I've got three new dealers interested, and at least one of them > has quite an inventory that he's excited about bringing to the event. I'm > just getting started -- we'll see what happens. > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > Article: 322853 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: Subject: Re: Trickle Charge Current? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:11:13 GMT I trickle my car batteries at about 35ma over the winter... gets me 8-10 years out of a good interstate. Dont deep discharge car batteries though, they need to be kept fully charged. -- Keith Keith Park Top Notch Restorations topnotch@nycap.rr.com 71 Squareback 65 Notchback "El BajaRojo" 65 Squareback "Eggcrate" 87 Golf 88 Rx7 10th Anniversary "Rextur" (For Sale) 93 Rx7 fast enough to stay Stock! From adouglasatgis.net Wed Sep 21 00:21:40 EDT 2005 Article: 322854 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ? Fluke 8600A service manual Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 20:57:21 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <1127175483.225767.7310@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-124.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:322854 Hi, >I can imagine their sales slogan: "If it works, it's a Fluke!" I actually did see a competitor's ad reading "It's no Fluke." Alan Article: 322855 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <1127002137.716655.299310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127095583.551125.316450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Kutztown Acquisitions & Clinic Report Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:18:48 GMT Every time I hear someone say to me "I plugged it in...." I want to Slap them! The amount of blown transformers Ive seen suddenly went way up about 7-8 years ago when the public found the internet and found out these things were worth something. There was another Zenith of that era there with alot of drippings coming out the bottom of its power transformer.... doesnt take long when the 6X5 goes! Keith "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1127095583.551125.316450@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Update: The Zenith 6S254 has a blown output transformer. When I plugged > in my spare Zenith speaker, it buzzed but tried to play. ___AND___ the > draw was nearly two (2) amps for a six-tube radio. I cut off power at > about 80V. > > I expect that someone 'tried' the radio and blew the output > transformer. Oh, well. Of all the semi-unobtanium things it could be, > that is perhaps the easiest of all to replace, or bypass for the > moment. Article: 322856 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <5O5Xe.98049$Hx4.19367@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1127095052.395625.262980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Kutztown Report Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 01:33:44 GMT This sounds like a great idea! Im sure I can dig up something other than the Plastic's with "Silver mica disease" When I put all my new sets away... somehow, somewhere... with some creative 'stuffing' Ill try and pick out a good candidate and make the basic checks. This would be much better for a new collector than my first radio experience, a Victor R34 that had been hit by lightening with ALL the resistors and coils open in the Radio section... and alot of butchering to boot! took a year and alot of help but it played again... and still does in my guestroom! Keith > Keith: > > How about this: > > Next spring, in's'Allah, I will be doing the Clinic again. You will be > bringing stuff, as will be John H.. If we could prevail upon the > powers-that-be at Renningers, and if you two would be willing, we might > schedule your tables near the DVHRC Club tables. > > On Friday, we would conspire on a couple of candidate radios (one from > each of you) that if purchased by a "qualified" buyer (newbie who might > want to learn) would become the clinic radios for that Friday PM and > Saturday AM. The buyer would get a hands-on learning experience > including a 'free' diagnosis and recap w/alignment if required. The > caveats would be radios that could be fixed with available parts and > within 3-5 hours each. So, no blown power transformers, silver-mica > disease, blown IF cans and/or blown field-coils or output transformers. > You would sell the radio at whatever your price might be, I would > supply the caps/resistors/coaching/alignment as needed. But it would be > a 'package deal'. > > If we are serious about getting new people into the hobby, and as you > mentioned there is a good deal of interest out there, we should do > everything we can to be creative and make that 'first' radio experience > a good one. > > How do you feel? John? Others? > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 322857 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <432F6FBD.F8BC6A2E@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: OT: big screen repair question References: <1127179642.768449.322310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 02:10:30 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote: > > rca projection tv, model p46770ck. apparently the HV splitter module is > toast since that is what smokes when you turn it on. my questions > are....is this caused by lightning? are there other things that i need > to check before i power up when i replace the splitter? what does it > do? is it simply a transformer? the part number on the splitter is > 205064. Eddie, you should ask this on the sci.electronics.repair newsgroup. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 322858 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Janssen Subject: Re: ? Fluke 8600A service manual References: <1127175483.225767.7310@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 04:24:43 GMT Travis wrote: >Hi Bill, >Fluke has the complete manual with schematic available for download: >http://us.fluke.com/usen/support/manuals/default.htm >The file is over 5MB - hope you aren't on a dial-up connection. > > > Thanks for that advice. I tried looking for information and didn't find that site even though I looked at the Fluke site. No I can't "afford" to repair my meter but I want to anyway. I have another 8600 so I can compare tests, so that gives me some help. But as I said I want to repair the broken one. Thanks Bill K7NOM Article: 322859 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Fluke 30022 digital meter question Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:04:19 GMT "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:olvui1t0blo6ssh973utk4em53rgh5ds7g@4ax.com... > I would like to thank everyone who responded to my question here. The > meter is now working thanks to you guys. > > It was the input fuse. I checked the other fuse, but didn't know there > was one for input too. Now it measures resistance and voltage. I > haven't tried current yet, but it looks like I'm in business now. > > Thanks again, and one final question. > > Is this any better in any way than the digital hand-held meters you > can buy in the stores now? If it isn't, I don't care. It's a backup in > case I blow out my other ones and I like the Nixie tubes! > .... > Blacksmith If you like 'em, isn't that all that matters? Article: 322860 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127181197.306441.128190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Everyeady battery 67 1/2 volts Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:05:13 GMT Welcome back, Bob. wrote in message news:1127181197.306441.128190@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > What is ABPR? How can I access the scans? Thanks. > BOB > Article: 322861 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> Subject: Zenith Royal 880 update Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 05:52:23 GMT I finally got the 6 C batteries in and man it roared to life! One small thing to overcome is that the AM-FM switch knob is cracked and it takes a pair of pliers to change bands. The AM is quite nice, the switch needs cleaning, and the FM is okay but it still suffers from not having an AFC possibly (I'm not sure if it does). This set is called "The Vocalist", I gather, and indeed it sings well with a rich and enjoyable tone and robust amp. A good example of this is playing as I write, "A Taste Of Honey" by Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass, sounding nearly as good as that gold labeled mono single I cherish in my own collection. It's a dandy set still after over 40 years. Could use some reverb for Rosie and the Originals though... Article: 322862 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <1127172803.552368.38140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Electrostatic tweeter rebuild Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:18:34 GMT Thanks Phil for the compliment. I added comments to the middle of the page that indicates the three main problems with this speaker. Hopefully that should explain better the challenge with this unit. PP. "philsvintageradios" wrote in message news:1127172803.552368.38140@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >I remember taking one of these apart a few years back. > I noted that it looked like the problem was with the silvered coating. > there is a piece of mylar with a coating on it right? > > I had the idea that I could replace this using a piece of foil from a > cigarette pack. > the foil from ( Canadian) cigarettes is a very thin paper, which is > bonded to an even thinner allunimum foil. The foil and the paper > backing can be separated, then if you put it down on a smooth surface > and rub it with the back of your fingernail it will bond onto any > smooth surface quite well. this is a neat trick for Pseudo "chroming" > it comes in silver and gold. > only the foil with tiny bumps works this way. the stuff like from say > Juicy fruit gum isn't the same, that stuff is smooth. when you rub it > down on a smooth surface it smooths out , almost like chrome. > > Anyway I remember using this stuff, but when I reassembled the speaker > it didn't work. it had two of these tweeters and I left it at that. I > think the idea could have worked, but it did not in this case. for > whatever reason it didn't make contact properly. > > I always thought the problem was with the way this foil was with the > contact to this foil. I was trying to understand from the web page how > you fixed it , what the problem was exactly. did you just clean this > contact and reassemble? as far as I remember the mylar only has a thin > coating on it , and can't be soldered to. so the contact was made by > pressing against this thin film. That was bound to fail because the > coated mylar moves, thus wearing through the very thin coating in the > area where the contact is made. > > I don't remember any foam in the one I was into.. mine was a Nordmende > Boheme... a typical piano key radio. > > To critique it , I would say to make the part where you did the actual > repair more of the page,, others can figure out how to take it apart > and reassemble it , that's easy . But I better not critique too far , > yours works :) two thumbs up !! > Phil > Article: 322863 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carter-K8VT Subject: Re: Electrostatic tweeter rebuild References: <1127172807.523975.38500@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:25:08 GMT philsvintageradios wrote: > I had the idea that I could replace this using a piece of foil from a > cigarette pack. the foil from ( Canadian) cigarettes is a very thin > paper, which is bonded to an even thinner allunimum foil. The foil > and the paper backing can be separated, How did you separate them? Could you elaborate please... Thanks Article: 322864 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <432edadb$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> <432edbca$0$22208$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:29:31 GMT Great work! Try spraying them with lacquer (test one first) or the art stores have a spray can of some sort of "fixer" that will protect the ink jet colors from moisture. Consider the following - Your work deserves a fair price. You may have too many listed at one time to get a fair price on these units. Too much "supply" at this time (until your product gets some recognition - Demand). Paul. "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:432edbca$0$22208$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... > personalradios > > > "Larry Fowkes" wrote in message > news:432edadb$0$14234$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com... >> Bill, >> >> What is your Ebay Id, I am very interested >> >> >> "Bill Morris" wrote in message >> news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... >>> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 >>> version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working >>> Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with >>> working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >> >> > > Article: 322865 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 12:39:14 GMT Save one for me!!! PP "Bill Morris" wrote in message news:432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net... > Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 > version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working > Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with > working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. > > Bill > > Article: 322866 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "G. Wilson" Subject: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:32:30 -0600 Message-ID: hello My model IP - 20 power supply has real problems . Can anyone help with a schematic or theory on how it works thanks Gordon Article: 322867 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <433020B0.425E31F3@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: OT: big screen repair question References: <1127179642.768449.322310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:46:04 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote: > > thanks for the help michael. many of the people here know something > about things other than obsolete electronics. I know that but the group I recommended has a lot more who work with big screen TVs every day. Also, some people from here post there, as well. Not only that, but it will be in their archives if someone searches for the same problem in the future. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 322868 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply References: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:53:47 GMT "G. Wilson" wrote: > > hello > My model IP - 20 power supply has real problems . > Can anyone help with a schematic > or theory on how it works > thanks > Gordon I have two GIFs for the schematic of that model. I will post them on news:alt.binary.pictures.radio for you. I don't remember where I got them, but they haven't been cleaned up and spliced together, yet. They are usable but you'll have to work from the screen or tape the pieces together. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 322869 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:13:31 -0400 "Michael A. Terrell" a écrit > > I have two GIFs for the schematic of that model. I will post them on > news:alt.binary.pictures.radio for you. I don't remember where I got > them, Most probably from this website: http://web.archive.org/web/20020201194744/www.circuitarchive.co.uk/heath.htm Syl Article: 322870 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Raymond Koonce Subject: Re: Radio interfrence from ........ References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:59:14 -0500 Hi Terry and Robert, I use these things on some hard-to-reach bulbs and I've never heard any interference. They do extend bulb life. I think it's correct that they contain a diode. When they're first turned on, the bulbs will exhibit some "flicker", I assume from the missing half-cycle, but that effect only lasts a short time. I got mine at an Ace Hardware store and they're called, strangely enough, "Bulb Savers". Best regards, Raymond Robert Murrell wrote: > They contained a diode. It dimmed the light, making last longer by cutting > off 1/2 the cycle. They also cause the interference. > > "Terry" wrote in message > news:GExXe.921$0u2.434604@news20.bellglobal.com... > >>Somewhat off topic but in a way not so? While talking about old-time radio >>programmes, pre TV era with an acquaintance with not a great deal of >>technical background he claimed the following. >> >>His parents home was in a small coastal community that received its first >>electricity some 50 years ago. >>About 40-45 years ago they had some single bulb light fixtures into which >>had been fitted some sort of electricity saving 'button'. He would have >>been about age 10 at the time. >> >>The buttons had been purchased through some magazine article (such as >>Practical Mechanics) some years before that. >> >>I too vaguely seem to remember those being advertised? Understood it was a >>round disc which was placed into the lamp socket and then the bulb was >>screwed back in. I've always presumed it was some sort of diode or maybe a >>disc type of resistor? Or maybe it was just 'snake oil' advertising? But >>I've never actually seen one! >> >>Anyway; he claimed that they had one or two of these 'energy saving >>buttons' that caused a 'buzzing' type radio interference on certain >>stations, when those lights were switched on, especially at night when >>they listened to more distant places. Night time 'skip'. >> >>Maybe the interference was just some sort of loose or heated connection; >>but the way he described it it sounds as though the interference was more >>coherent than that. He claimed he could tune up and down the AM band when >>those particular lights were switched and would get the buzzing noise at >>certain points on the dial. With those lights off the buzz disappeared! >> >>Any idea what those 'electricity saving' buttons were and how they >>could/might have affected radio reception. BTW there were no high power >>broadcast transmitters around that area AFIK, it was outlying on the >>Atlantic coast. The famous Cape Race station was maybe 50 miles away but >>it would not have been radiating continuous signals and in fact some/much >>of its transmission, in those days, would have been morse (CW) and >>therefore easier to identify even by someone who was not familiar with the >>code. >> >>Any comment welcome. >> > > > Article: 322871 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> <433027AD.31C489FE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:35:50 GMT Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Syl wrote: >>Most probably from this website: >>http://web.archive.org/web/20020201194744/www.circuitarchive.co.uk/heath.htm > Is that the site the guy pulled down because Heathkit was owned by > Schlumberger at one time? Actually, he pulled it over our involvement in Iraq. It was a political statement. Of sorts. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322872 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:29:36 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> <433027AD.31C489FE@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <901ca$43304701$4232bd38$13586@COQUI.NET> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > >> Is that the site the guy pulled down because Heathkit was owned by >> Schlumberger at one time? > > > Actually, he pulled it over our involvement in Iraq. > It was a political statement. Of sorts. > > Jeff > Yeah, but he got over that and the site was started again. Then it went away again. What was that all about? -Bill Article: 322873 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "R Park" Subject: Capacitor question Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:30:23 GMT Hi Group While working on a de forest A98/41 battery operated floor console for a friend of mine, I came across a capacitor in the battery eliminator I have never seen before. It is in the 2 volt supply and is marked Mallory Type EP Max Z .32 OHMS 2 V (that's point 32 ohms, incase you missed the decimal point) I am guessing at the .32 as it could be .92 as the top half of the numbers are scratched off the cardboard tube. It measures 4 1/2 inches long and 1 3/16 inches in diameter. I am assuming the Max Z means maximum impedance. Any ideas what the capacity of the capacitor is ? I have posted a schematic on the ABPR. It is C 5 on the schematic. Radio works great, and all I had to do was replace the dial cord Regards Reed ----- ARROW Research - Avro CF-105 Reed Park 916 Pre-d'en-Haut Street Memramcook, New Brunswick Canada - E4K 1L1 (506) 758-3128 Amateur Radio V E 1 N U WW2, # 19 SET user Paraset replica builder and owner of a real one. Article: 322874 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:33:00 GMT I was in a gas station the other day relieving myself of any extra $20 bills for gasoline and I noticed something about product placement. On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, fuct tape and condoms. Go figure. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322875 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: OVER 800 Vintage Vacuum Tubes Available References: <1127226426.708887.104410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127233771.780449.114290@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 13:54:09 -0400 He probably shouldn't have printed the inventory. Look at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5808983286 Ken Peter Wieck wrote: > Protocol is to put FA in the header. This helps with screening eBay > teasers out as well as kill-filing perpetual eBay listers. > > Not surprised at the lack of bids based on the inventory shown. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 322876 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:48:47 GMT "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:gJXXe.743$EA4.75@tornado.socal.rr.com... > I was in a gas station the other day relieving myself of any > extra $20 bills for gasoline and I noticed something about > product placement. > > On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, > fuct tape and condoms. > > Go figure. > > Jeff Maybe it's for the next Survivor casting call Article: 322877 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <433058EB.FD5026C5@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:46:16 GMT tschw10117@aol.com wrote: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6561806079 > > This time it's one of the big boys. Catalinradio.com. > He's borrowed my batman-esque scan of the Sears catalog Rocket radio > page for his auction. (Scan orignally provided by my friend Eric) > > I've already emailed him.... will await his response. > > Looks like I'm going to have to watermark my photos. > > Terry. Why not just block any hot linking from E-bay while you are at it? A simple Javascript will redirect them to a different website, or another page on your site. I have links to several free scripts that could help you. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 322878 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:06:40 -0500 Message-ID: <43305dc1$0$22207$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Everybody sing--"Bringing in the Sheep, Bringing in the Sheep...." :-) "TerryJ" wrote in message news:4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com... > What is 'fuct tape'? Never seen it stocked around here.... > Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > news:gJXXe.743$EA4.75@tornado.socal.rr.com... >>I was in a gas station the other day relieving myself of any >> extra $20 bills for gasoline and I noticed something about >> product placement. >> >> On the same rack (display) they have rope, gloves, box knifes, >> fuct tape and condoms. >> >> Go figure. >> >> Jeff >> >> -- >> RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to >> the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal >> force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED >> under the Internal Security Act of 1950. > Article: 322879 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 19:09:45 GMT TerryJ wrote: > What is 'fuct tape'? Never seen it stocked around here.... Fat fingers, I meant to type "duct tape." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322880 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: CalBubba Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Date: 20 Sep 2005 14:43:02 -0500 Message-ID: <433065ed$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> References: <1127243169.214522.327040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Mike Koste wrote: > Can you use fuct tape in place of a condom? > You would then be very fuct. Bubba Article: 322881 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply From: Larry References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> <433027AD.31C489FE@earthlink.net> <901ca$43304701$4232bd38$13586@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:11:47 -0400 Bill wrote in news:901ca$43304701$4232bd38$13586@COQUI.NET: > Yeah, but he got over that and the site was started again. Then it went > away again. What was that all about? > > -Bill > Maybe he's blaming Bush for Hurricane Katrina....(c; -- Larry Article: 322882 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" Subject: Temp. tube equivalent question Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:12:08 GMT In a stock of about 1000 tubes at home there is always the absence of the tube you need.. Would a 6B8 work as a 6DC8 (EBF89) in a IF stage? I'd use it to test a Geloso receiver, it's EBF is dead.. Thanks! -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 322883 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DaveW Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:55:49 GMT Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > > TerryJ wrote: > >> What is 'fuct tape'? Never seen it stocked around here.... > > > Fat fingers, I meant to type "duct tape." > > Jeff > Yeah, yeah, sure, sure! The typo just made your observation all the funnier. And they say Freud is dead! DAve Article: 322884 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <432ed674$0$22203$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Subject: Re: FA--Transoceanic replica batteries Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 18:49:32 -0500 Message-ID: <4330a003$0$32198$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Still working on it, can't say when yet. "Shawn K" wrote in message news:nMJXe.525298$s54.44430@pd7tw2no... > WOW!! Very nice indeed! When is this battery CD going to be available?? > > Bill Morris wrote: >> Finally got the batch done and they are on the 'Bay. There's a 1942 >> version with 2 Eveready 950 D cell covers, a 1946 version with a working >> Z-1 replica battery, a 1950's version with the Z-1, an RCA VS 047 with >> working VS 070 A battery, and a Hallicrafters P999. >> >> Bill >> >> > > > -- > > Shawn K > www.thisoldradio.com Article: 322885 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Martin Crossley" References: Subject: Re: Temp. tube equivalent question Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:12:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4330a60a$0$1287$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> Daniele wrote: > In a stock of about 1000 tubes at home there is always > the absence of the tube you need.. > > Would a 6B8 work as a 6DC8 (EBF89) in a IF stage? > I'd use it to test a Geloso receiver, it's EBF is dead.. > > Thanks! It'll probably work electrically, but won't fit because it's an octal... and an adaptor would be ugly and hard to make with a B9A base and might cause instability.. The 6N8/EBF80 is pin-compatible, and an ECH81/6AJ8, despite being a triode-hexode, might also work just plugged straight in, depending on whether both diodes are used in your set. Other possibilities are EF85, EF89,EF183 plus a pair of semiconductor diodes and minor rewiring of the valveholder. Martin. Article: 322886 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> Subject: Get this! Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:42:04 GMT I think I like UK eBay... ~~~~~~~~~ We understand the importance and serious nature of your question and will do all within our power to answer your specific enquiry within 24 hours of receipt of this mail. It may be necessary for us to occasionally send your question to a department more specifically designed to best address your concern. 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The eBay Announcement Boards contain the latest information regarding eBay features, system status, and special promotions: http://wlkmbkjbkljbkjbkbkjbvkjbketing-uk.shtml ~~~~~~~ Wish our canned replies sounded so nice Article: 322887 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> <433027AD.31C489FE@earthlink.net> <901ca$43304701$4232bd38$13586@COQUI.NET> Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:44:06 GMT "Larry" wrote in message news:Xns96D7AF42D2E2Dnoone@63.223.7.253... > Bill wrote in > news:901ca$43304701$4232bd38$13586@COQUI.NET: > > > Yeah, but he got over that and the site was started again. Then it went > > away again. What was that all about? > > > > -Bill > > > > Maybe he's blaming Bush for Hurricane Katrina....(c; > > -- > Larry I thought he had two young "storms" of his own already ;-P Article: 322888 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Yet another way to wreck a vintage radio Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:45:07 GMT "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:JrmdnXCeEq7KyK3eRVn-gw@giganews.com... > Well, the guy wasn't quite as bad as I thought. He bought a repro "Crosley" > cathedral, extended the controls on jumpers, and installed that in his old > cabinet. Nondestructive and probably looks decent. > > He also drilled out the bottom of a tube (a blue Arcturus) and installed an > LED, but didn't like the results. > > Since the guy knows how to solder, I think I have convinced him to try his > hand at recapping the old chassis -- or at least donating it to the nearest > collector club if he decides that he doesn't want it. > > Phil Nelson That sounds excellent, Phil. Good show! Article: 322889 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127243169.214522.327040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <433065ed$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:46:23 GMT "CalBubba" wrote in message news:433065ed$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com... > Mike Koste wrote: > > Can you use fuct tape in place of a condom? > > > You would then be very fuct. > > Bubba I can't believe he wrapped around that one. Article: 322890 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:47:02 GMT Too late, we're having so much FUN! "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:Z7ZXe.754$EA4.613@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > TerryJ wrote: > > > What is 'fuct tape'? Never seen it stocked around here.... > > Fat fingers, I meant to type "duct tape." > > Jeff > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322891 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <4OqdnREbdYij0a3eRVn-gA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Completely OT: Product placement. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:49:24 GMT Brings up the sticker I saw, Dave... "I have a perfect body" "It's in the trunk" "And starting to smell" Article: 322892 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:57:45 GMT If you can lay claim to a particular technical aspect of the scan (improvements, embellishments etc), and the image is deemed in the public domain or you have done something that makes it it's own distinct piece of "artwork", you can claim it as a copyrighted item, can't you? If it is Saers' then can you claim it as a published work (with a circle P) and (C) Sears, Roebuck and Company? This is what record companies do when the acquire titles from other companies, isn't it? wrote in message news:1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Of course I can't claim a copyright to a Sears catalog page. It's just > common courtesy to ask someone before you purloin a photo, scan, or > text from someone else's web page - unless blanket permission is > granted on the site itself. > > Maybe I was wrong to use the Sears scan to begin with? Should I have > contacted Sears over a 68 year old catalog page? It never dawned on me > that it could be an issue! I guess I better do that. I can't very well > go around bitching about others unless I am without sin.... time to zip > it I guess. > > I get lots of those types of requests, too, Phil, and I always give > permission as long as they ask *nicely*. > > Michael, I'll look into your method as well. > > Here's a band from Cananda that wanted a radio photo: > www.semi-louise.com > > They chose a nice bakelite Admiral image from my site to use on their > site. No problem. > > Terry. > Article: 322893 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: I hate that old rubber-insulated wiring! From: Larry References: <1127251553.999180.187390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:03:04 -0400 "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in news:1127251553.999180.187390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > cracked rubber....dang-it. > Stupid Underwriters Laboratory used to make them all use rubber power cords. Hammond Organs just intermittently EXPLODE when someone moves the power cord or the cable to the external speaker-amp (tone cabinet). One organist here was burned when she dared reach up under it to pull the chain on the pedal light up under the keybed. She bumped the damned rubber covered wire to the light and IT exploded right where her hand brushed it. I replace them all, now, for many years.....But, alas, there are still lots of instruments out there with the UL's STUPID rubber-covered wires, even though the rest of the organ is all plastic wires, that still look shiny new! Idiots. My expensive Weller thermostat-controlled soldering iron recently exploded in my hand from its stupid rubber-covered round power wire. The outside of the cable wasn't split, well, not until it burned! The rubber covered conductors hidden away INSIDE the black rubber outside were TOTALLY DISINTEGRATED. It has a plastic 99c extension cord wire on it now....(c; - Larry Article: 322894 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bob Weiss Subject: Re: OT: big screen repair question References: <1127179642.768449.322310@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:46:21 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote: > rca projection tv, model p46770ck. apparently the HV splitter module is > toast since that is what smokes when you turn it on. Well that isn't very encouraging.... my questions > are....is this caused by lightning? I doubt it. are there other things that i need > to check before i power up when i replace the splitter? I would verify that you have HV going INTO the splitter before replacing it, but you likely do if it is smoking. Presence of HV at the input verifies that the flyback is working properly. This site: http://www.tritronicsinc.com/cgi-bin/onramp.exe?pgm=itemdet_cs.bbx&custnum=RETAIL&password=1127266887&id=CTC169-KIT-PTV++++++ mentions a "repair kit" which includes the splitter, so there may be some "common failures" associated with it. what does it > do? Splits the single HV output from the flyback into 3 separate outputs for the 3 CRTs. Depending on the set, it may also incorporate a voltage multiplier/rectifier network, and/or a focus divider network and focus pots for the 3 tubes. is it simply a transformer? Not a transformer. It may contain capacitors, diodes, and resistors, though.... Bob Weiss N2IXK Article: 322895 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OVER 800 Vintage Vacuum Tubes Available From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1127226426.708887.104410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 01:46:46 GMT In article <1127226426.708887.104410@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, jl@jps.net says... > > > > >Just listed on ebay - hundreds of vintage tubes in 13 auctions, >starting here > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5810039788 > >Tks, >JL > About 20 tubes out of the whole 800 that are worth bothering to sell and or buy... and 25 bucks to ship a box of toobes?... Sure hope that the one and only bidder lives down the street >from the guy and picks up the tubes.... for 99 cents per auction! John k9uwa Article: 322896 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Raymond Koonce Subject: Re: Radio interfrence from ........ References: <1127236099.415141.89890@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 21:06:43 -0500 That's it. I didn't pay that much, though, only about $6. Peter Wieck wrote: > http://www.acehardware.com/sm-lemra-products-the-button--pi-1379643.html > > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 322897 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: Temp. tube equivalent question Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:22:35 -0400 "Daniele" a écrit > Would a 6B8 work as a 6DC8 (EBF89) in a IF stage? > I'd use it to test a Geloso receiver, it's EBF is dead.. Daniele, Specs are similar, enough for testing purpose, but you will have to build an adapter, one is novar the other is octal. I wish I could help. Syl Article: 322898 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "benjamaniac" Subject: Looking for a part Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 20:58:42 -0600 Message-ID: I'm looking for a dial cover and bezel for a Philco 37-610 table model. Anyone got one in their bag of tricks ?? Thanks, Ben Article: 322899 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: It's happened again.... From: Larry References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:25:05 -0400 "Phil Nelson" wrote in news:kZ-dnb-o6omxOq3eRVn- iQ@giganews.com: > Somebody must own a copyright in those publications, at > least. > We all know the kiddie song "Happy Birthday", right? I'm nearly 60 and have heard it all my life. But, did you know who owns the COPYRIGHT to this beloved song....and the reason the employees of a restaurant don't sing it, but substitute some stupid home-made song instead? AOL/Time-Warner, our beloved cable and internet conglomerate owns "Happy Birthday".....and wants a rich royalty if you dare sing it in public, too! Everything is copyrighted. If you go to any kind of church, open the hymnal and go to the back pages. You'll find whole lists of who owns what religious songs. Try not to laugh during his sermon about mass murders or divorce as you do. Even the very old hymns are owned by "something", some entity. Your church pays a yearly royalty fee to the organization that represents these copyright holders. US Law (and probably a lot of other countries) EXTENDED the copyright length on all works to virtual infinity renewals when the RIAA and MPAA donated to your congressman's re-election ripoff and bribery scheme. How easy it is to get things like DCMA and other copyright legislation past. Jail sentences for ripping off "Happy Birthday" are longer than armed robbery of a 7-11, now, even with a gun. Of course, the appropriate answer is to STOP BUYING music/movie tickets/concert tickets/etc....(c; -- Larry Article: 322900 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Zenith Royal 880 update Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:08:07 -0700 Message-ID: References: Steven Dinius_ wrote: > I finally got the 6 C batteries in and man it roared to life! One small > thing to overcome is that the AM-FM switch knob is cracked and it takes a > pair of pliers to change bands. A common problem with this set...The bandswitch is pretty stiff and the plastic used on the knob is somewhat "soft". Not a good combination. > The AM is quite nice, Very hot AM band. > the switch needs > cleaning, and the FM is okay but it still suffers from not having an AFC > possibly (I'm not sure if it does). This set is called "The Vocalist", I > gather, and indeed it sings well with a rich and enjoyable tone and robust > amp. The sound quality of this model is indeed quite nice. Zenith did a good job on these early transistor AM/FM sets. There are several variations of this set out there. The 820 is virtually identical in appearance to the 880, and there is also one that has an "instant weather" feature. That one is essentially the same as the one you have, except it has a little weather band converter board rather clumsily glommed onto it. -Scott Article: 322901 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:18:18 -0700 Message-ID: References: <4330227F.987DD916@earthlink.net> Syl wrote: > "Michael A. Terrell" a écrit > >> I have two GIFs for the schematic of that model. I will post them on >>news:alt.binary.pictures.radio for you. I don't remember where I got >>them, > > > Most probably from this website: > http://web.archive.org/web/20020201194744/www.circuitarchive.co.uk/heath.htm > I guess now would be a good time to plug archive.org's internet wayback machine. Many times, I have pulled otherwise impossible to obtain information from defunct web sites out of the ether thanks to this service. The link Syl cited above is just one example. May it live long! -Scott Article: 322902 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1126755891.895725.208660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1126784059.723336.226950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1126787217.270901.305780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127272336.775040.157340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Ok, he's linked directly to my pictures Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:40:59 GMT ON TOPIC Terry I bought the H472W at the auction tonight, along with a Sylvania AM-FM table set with the interim Sylvania logo (a telephone and Roman sans-serif font instead of the GTE logo). The Circle of Sound will need some switches cared for and one segment of the third digit is bad. I wonder if that display is segmented or what board could replace the LEDs. The Sylvania will need some real TLC but was such a nice sounding SS radio that it and a recent Realistic (tunes to 1700) should soon be on the road to wellness and become sombodies gift for the season. Anyone I could show the Zenith to last night was impressed by the sheer amount of good sound and loud volume that it can produce. Shoud I brag about some prices? Oh, it's expected of me I'd reckon so... Zenith : $1 Sylvania: $4 Blonder-Tongue amp (switchable VHF or all and available FM trap, needed for my extended network): $2 late 90s Zenith VHS Hi-Fi and PhilipsMagnavox Hi-Fi: $7.50 each (remotes included) NICE oak finish moderns audio/video cabinet (casters included, even better shape than the last one): $10 non radio but NICE also: assortment of long stemmed glasses, some with gold trimmings, for parents' anniversary in Feb: $2 for two different patterns Two chairs to fix for my one of my tables: $2 mamiya/sekor (1:2 lens) "De Luxe" with case: $5 (priceless if you ask me) AND THE BIGGIE..... Hamilton Beach No. 51 Milkshake machine (cloth cord, will get its taill cut off and a white ext. cord carefully attached to carefully check it out, although I'd like to find the correct, SAFE cord before I give it away): $ONLY ONE DOLLAR No tubes this week, and no bicycle : ( just 67.10 WELL SPENT on my new home and the holidaze. Article: 322903 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 08:45:07 GMT "Matt The Cat" wrote in message news:Zq7Ye.2794$Az1.2730@trnddc07... > I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY > information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great > condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My > grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's true since it > says that it's "Equipped For Television". > > Does anyone know of a Westinghouse radio resource? Any help would be most > appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Matt By that they were referring to experimental television, at which time the sound may have been amplitude, not frequency modulated (and before you become skeptical, not the the British had already adopted this scheme IIRC with System A, 305 lines, which ran into the 1980s untouched before being eliminated) and the sets would've been able to amplify the sound IF just like a radio signal. Some RCAs employed this scheme, and one or two TV sets actually used it, with no audio of their own (one RCA is famous that didn't have an audio section just like that). For a thorough history of television from embryonic ideas to mechanical images and hints of oddities that make DVDs a deju vu experience, do visit the Early Television Foundation www.earlytelevision.org and while you are at it try http://www.mztv.com/ The Museum of Television. in Toronto's website, which is also a big treat and I wish I could see the real thing... Another treat or two: http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/front/features/996/mclean.html and http://www.tvhistory.tv/ So your grandmother was right but by the time it could have been used, it was too late. Do enjoy a wonderful piece of history, and pass it on down to the next genertion when you are though! Article: 322904 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 04:09:51 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> most of what gets passsed around about the 'happy birthday to you' song and how copyrights work in general is urban legend. and like most urban legends, there are crumbs of truth. time/warner CLAIMS OWNERSHIP on the copyright on the LYRICS for happy birthday to you. were this to be put to the test today it is somewhat questionable if they are legally able to own it. there are plenty of internet sources on the details of this. the question is, do you want to be the one to pay the lawyers to fight this? its cheaper just to pay them off via ASCAP and be done with it. 'singing a song in public' doesnt necessarily violate copyright law. 'public performances' (a legal definition with a specific meaning) are. and i doubt anyone can show proof of one actual person being put in jail for singing happy birthday to you... randy > > We all know the kiddie song "Happy Birthday", right? I'm nearly 60 and > have heard it all my life. > > But, did you know who owns the COPYRIGHT to this beloved song....and the > reason the employees of a restaurant don't sing it, but substitute some > stupid home-made song instead? > > AOL/Time-Warner, our beloved cable and internet conglomerate owns "Happy > Birthday".....and wants a rich royalty if you dare sing it in public, too! > > Everything is copyrighted. If you go to any kind of church, open the > hymnal and go to the back pages. You'll find whole lists of who owns what > religious songs. Try not to laugh during his sermon about mass murders or > divorce as you do. Even the very old hymns are owned by "something", some > entity. Your church pays a yearly royalty fee to the organization that > represents these copyright holders. > > US Law (and probably a lot of other countries) EXTENDED the copyright > length on all works to virtual infinity renewals when the RIAA and MPAA > donated to your congressman's re-election ripoff and bribery scheme. How > easy it is to get things like DCMA and other copyright legislation past. > Jail sentences for ripping off "Happy Birthday" are longer than armed > robbery of a 7-11, now, even with a gun. > > Of course, the appropriate answer is to STOP BUYING music/movie > tickets/concert tickets/etc....(c; > > -- > Larry Article: 322905 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" Subject: Tektronix 535 scope Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 10:59:22 GMT Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came from IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch where the power switch should be). Besides the controls needing cleaning, there are problems with the intensity control supply, and a few cracked molded paper caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out of there - at least in the critical circuits - and then replace the 'lytics. Things look pretty tight in this scope - has anyone does this without going mad? -- Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios From adouglasatgis.net Thu Sep 22 00:05:18 EDT 2005 Article: 322906 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:42:24 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <9ud2j1t6nnvob4mgf7ols779b6i3kj550g@4ax.com> References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-531.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!cyclone.bc.net!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:322906 Hi, The tubes are probably good, since these instruments weren't used for long periods. But they're still used, and not worth much. There are very few 160As still in active use by people who would pay for a replacement tube. The typical problem is an open thermocouple, caused by changing bands with the multiplier control set too high. That's unfixable. If your meter moves at all, the thermocouple is probably good. The filter cap may work fine for limited use; it's up to you. A small fuse might be a good idea. Alan Article: 322907 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil (J. B. Wood) Subject: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 07:32:19 -0400 Message-ID: Hello, all. I found what I've identified as the subject AM 4-tube radio recently in my parent's attic. It is a small radio housed in a white metal cabinet with a red grill cloth and red knobs. It has a straight wire antenna in lieu of the usual fiberboard-mounted loop. I was wondering if this radio internally is identical to the Arvin 440-T. Thanks for your time and comment. Sincerely, John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory 4555 Overlook Avenue, SW Washington, DC 20375-5337 Article: 322908 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:48:26 GMT I've never heard the song at any Mexican restaurant. When they ambush you at the one downtown, they perform a rollicking tune in Spanish and end with Hey Hey Hey! I myself sing felix cumpleanos a yo, which is as close as I can figure. "xrongor" wrote in message news:dgrbha$5sq0$1@news3.infoave.net... > most of what gets passsed around about the 'happy birthday to you' song and > how copyrights work in general is urban legend. and like most urban > legends, there are crumbs of truth. > > time/warner CLAIMS OWNERSHIP on the copyright on the LYRICS for happy > birthday to you. were this to be put to the test today it is somewhat > questionable if they are legally able to own it. there are plenty of > internet sources on the details of this. the question is, do you want to be > the one to pay the lawyers to fight this? its cheaper just to pay them off > via ASCAP and be done with it. > > 'singing a song in public' doesnt necessarily violate copyright law. > 'public performances' (a legal definition with a specific meaning) are. > > and i doubt anyone can show proof of one actual person being put in jail for > singing happy birthday to you... > > randy > > > > > We all know the kiddie song "Happy Birthday", right? I'm nearly 60 and > > have heard it all my life. > > > > But, did you know who owns the COPYRIGHT to this beloved song....and the > > reason the employees of a restaurant don't sing it, but substitute some > > stupid home-made song instead? > > > > AOL/Time-Warner, our beloved cable and internet conglomerate owns "Happy > > Birthday".....and wants a rich royalty if you dare sing it in public, too! > > > > Everything is copyrighted. If you go to any kind of church, open the > > hymnal and go to the back pages. You'll find whole lists of who owns what > > religious songs. Try not to laugh during his sermon about mass murders or > > divorce as you do. Even the very old hymns are owned by "something", some > > entity. Your church pays a yearly royalty fee to the organization that > > represents these copyright holders. > > > > US Law (and probably a lot of other countries) EXTENDED the copyright > > length on all works to virtual infinity renewals when the RIAA and MPAA > > donated to your congressman's re-election ripoff and bribery scheme. How > > easy it is to get things like DCMA and other copyright legislation past. > > Jail sentences for ripping off "Happy Birthday" are longer than armed > > robbery of a 7-11, now, even with a gun. > > > > Of course, the appropriate answer is to STOP BUYING music/movie > > tickets/concert tickets/etc....(c; > > > > -- > > Larry > > Article: 322909 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:49:45 GMT 'Scuse...Feliz. Felix is a cool cat. "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:eMbYe.1491$wR4.287595@monger.newsread.com... > I've never heard the song at any Mexican restaurant. When they ambush you at > the one downtown, they perform a rollicking tune in Spanish and end with Hey > Hey Hey! I myself sing felix cumpleanos a yo, which is as close as I can > figure. > > "xrongor" wrote in message > news:dgrbha$5sq0$1@news3.infoave.net... > > most of what gets passsed around about the 'happy birthday to you' song > and > > how copyrights work in general is urban legend. and like most urban > > legends, there are crumbs of truth. > > > > time/warner CLAIMS OWNERSHIP on the copyright on the LYRICS for happy > > birthday to you. were this to be put to the test today it is somewhat > > questionable if they are legally able to own it. there are plenty of > > internet sources on the details of this. the question is, do you want to > be > > the one to pay the lawyers to fight this? its cheaper just to pay them > off > > via ASCAP and be done with it. > > > > 'singing a song in public' doesnt necessarily violate copyright law. > > 'public performances' (a legal definition with a specific meaning) are. > > > > and i doubt anyone can show proof of one actual person being put in jail > for > > singing happy birthday to you... > > > > randy > > > > > > > > We all know the kiddie song "Happy Birthday", right? I'm nearly 60 and > > > have heard it all my life. > > > > > > But, did you know who owns the COPYRIGHT to this beloved song....and the > > > reason the employees of a restaurant don't sing it, but substitute some > > > stupid home-made song instead? > > > > > > AOL/Time-Warner, our beloved cable and internet conglomerate owns "Happy > > > Birthday".....and wants a rich royalty if you dare sing it in public, > too! > > > > > > Everything is copyrighted. If you go to any kind of church, open the > > > hymnal and go to the back pages. You'll find whole lists of who owns > what > > > religious songs. Try not to laugh during his sermon about mass murders > or > > > divorce as you do. Even the very old hymns are owned by "something", > some > > > entity. Your church pays a yearly royalty fee to the organization that > > > represents these copyright holders. > > > > > > US Law (and probably a lot of other countries) EXTENDED the copyright > > > length on all works to virtual infinity renewals when the RIAA and MPAA > > > donated to your congressman's re-election ripoff and bribery scheme. > How > > > easy it is to get things like DCMA and other copyright legislation past. > > > Jail sentences for ripping off "Happy Birthday" are longer than armed > > > robbery of a 7-11, now, even with a gun. > > > > > > Of course, the appropriate answer is to STOP BUYING music/movie > > > tickets/concert tickets/etc....(c; > > > > > > -- > > > Larry > > > > > > Article: 322910 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:51:34 GMT Post it on the binaries. I believe Ken Gooding is very familiar with either model. "J. B. Wood" wrote in message news:wood-2109050732340001@jbw-mac.itd.nrl.navy.mil... > Hello, all. I found what I've identified as the subject AM 4-tube radio > recently in my parent's attic. It is a small radio housed in a white > metal cabinet with a red grill cloth and red knobs. It has a straight > wire antenna in lieu of the usual fiberboard-mounted loop. I was > wondering if this radio internally is identical to the Arvin 440-T. > Thanks for your time and comment. Sincerely, > > John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil > Naval Research Laboratory > 4555 Overlook Avenue, SW > Washington, DC 20375-5337 Article: 322911 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "G. Wilson" Subject: Re: Heathkit Regulated Power Supply Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:41:39 -0600 Message-ID: References: In article , "G. Wilson" wrote: > hello > My model IP - 20 power supply has real problems . > Can anyone help with a schematic > or theory on how it works > thanks > Gordon Hi all I want to thank everyone for the help It's appreciated !! Now its repair time Gordon Article: 322912 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Tektronix 535 scope References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:04:41 GMT Before you do anything else....buy a small roll of 2% silver solder. That beast uses notched ceramic terminal strips. Regular solder will will degrade the connections on the strips enough to have them pull away from the ceramic. Jeff Jon wrote: > Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came from > IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch where the > power switch should be). Besides the controls needing cleaning, there are > problems with the intensity control supply, and a few cracked molded paper > caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out of there - at least in the > critical circuits - and then replace the 'lytics. Things look pretty tight > in this scope - has anyone does this without going mad? > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 322913 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Robinson" References: Subject: Re: Tektronix 535 scope Message-ID: <1WcYe.9190$i86.8709@trndny01> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:07:09 GMT Hi Jon, One thing to keep in mind with these scopes. The components were mounted on ceramic terminal blocks with metalized contacts. Tek used, IIRC, 2% silver solder on all of these connections. While you can get a away with standard 60/40 or 63/37 solder, its not recommended (the terminals will fail after repeated soldering. If you plan on a major re-cap, you should get hold of some of this solder. Note that Tek used the highest grade components of the era, so you may not need to go through the whole scope as you would with a consumer product. The choice is yours. Mark "Jon" wrote in message news:e2bYe.77176$PM3.65664@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came from > IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch where the > power switch should be). Besides the controls needing cleaning, there are > problems with the intensity control supply, and a few cracked molded paper > caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out of there - at least in the > critical circuits - and then replace the 'lytics. Things look pretty tight > in this scope - has anyone does this without going mad? > > -- > Jon Scaptura > Endicott, NY > > See my antique radios here: > http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios > > Article: 322914 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 10:50:11 +0200 Message-ID: <57e88449c7fe696c0f9973e8d8416c81@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> I'm the last of the Boonton Radio production techs/engineers until bought out by HP. Here's some critical info on your 160A- Built from 1939 to 1952, replaced by the 260A. The Multipy Q meter is driven by a thermocouple; 1/2 amp of RF is injected into the thermocouple and terminated with a 0.04 ohm resistor. The result is 20mV at the LO post when the XQ meter is at X1. It's a delicate thermocouple- check for the 20mV at X1 to confirm that it's OK. To test the Q-tube: actually it's a very special 2A6, but a 2A6 will give you terrible results. The tubes used in the 160 were actually rejects >from the 260A production line, the 160 specs being much wider. I've got some in my basement. The test- inject 4VRMS at 100KHz (freq not critical) across the Gnd and HI posts- the Q meter should read a Q of 200. If not, there is a pot on top of the chassis to adjust this. That's the entire test for the Q circuit. The oscillator tube is an off-the-shelf 45; the only limitation is the output level on the highest freqs. The B+ on the Q tube should be around 258V At one point I solid-stated the Q-tube while in production engineering; it was no more than a FET, 3 or 4 resistors, and 2 caps. It never went into use because we were supposed to cease product support for these products in lieu of selling newer models. I will try to find my documentation on the FET design- it was very simple- a 2 resistor B+ divider (to 20v?)with cap. spike protection, and one or two series resistors in the FET "cathode". The FET(2N5245)was wired exactly as a triode and performed far better than the tube. Pete O. AI2V Article: 322915 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127238775.645644.39300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1127247664.345908.86150@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127310628.782321.221390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: It's happened again.... Message-ID: <7_eYe.1511$wR4.289869@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:28:03 GMT The courts have ruled that no permission is needed to produce parody lyrics, only to use the tune/arrangement. "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1127310628.782321.221390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > 1. If you incorporate a copyrighted item into a design, written work, > picture or similar and wish to copyright the entirety, you must get > permission to incorporate that item. Hence "Used by permission" seen in > footnotes and/or frontispieces. The original copyright holder, however, > would retain full rights over their property including the right to > give permission to other users for the same use as was given to you. > > 2. If you use an image or writing that is in the Public Domain (The > Mona Lisa for example), then to the extent that you make alterations > and changes, you may copyright. But, there are quite stringent > limitations on this. For instance, if you simply put a moustache on the > Mona Lisa, you would not get a copyright, no matter how artful and > Dali-esque that moustache might be. However, if you take that image or > writing and enhance it or change it such that it could not be taken for > the original or a copy of the original when placed side-by-side, THAT > would likely get you a copyright. > > International laws will vary. Many countries are far more restrictive > than the US, many could care less. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 322916 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Matt The Cat" References: Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:37:05 GMT Steven, That was a fantastic explanation of early television. Thanks for responding to my question, BUT do you have any sources for old Westinghouse radios? I have never seen any models of this type on anyone's site or in any historical context. You did clear up that this radio is possibly from 1936, but I'd like to find more data on it. Any suggestions? I love this radio and it has been with me for a long time. I have no intentions of ever selling it. I will pass it down to the next generation along with my Victrola and Technics 1200 turntable. Thanks, Matt "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:n49Ye.1488$wR4.286820@monger.newsread.com... > "Matt The Cat" wrote in message > news:Zq7Ye.2794$Az1.2730@trnddc07... >> I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY >> information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great >> condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My >> grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's true since > it >> says that it's "Equipped For Television". >> >> Does anyone know of a Westinghouse radio resource? Any help would be >> most >> appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Matt > > By that they were referring to experimental television, at which time the > sound may have been amplitude, not frequency modulated (and before you > become skeptical, not the the British had already adopted this scheme IIRC > with System A, 305 lines, which ran into the 1980s untouched before being > eliminated) and the sets would've been able to amplify the sound IF just > like a radio signal. Some RCAs employed this scheme, and one or two TV > sets > actually used it, with no audio of their own (one RCA is famous that > didn't > have an audio section just like that). > > For a thorough history of television from embryonic ideas to mechanical > images and hints of oddities that make DVDs a deju vu experience, do visit > the Early Television Foundation www.earlytelevision.org and while you are > at > it try http://www.mztv.com/ The Museum of Television. in Toronto's > website, > which is also a big treat and I wish I could see the real thing... > > Another treat or two: > http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/front/features/996/mclean.html and > http://www.tvhistory.tv/ > > So your grandmother was right but by the time it could have been used, it > was too late. Do enjoy a wonderful piece of history, and pass it on down > to > the next genertion when you are though! > > Article: 322917 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil (J. B. Wood) Subject: Re: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 11:56:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: In article , "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote: > Post it on the binaries. I believe Ken Gooding is very familiar with either > model. > > "J. B. Wood" wrote in message > news:wood-2109050732340001@jbw-mac.itd.nrl.navy.mil... > > Hello, all. I found what I've identified as the subject AM 4-tube radio > > recently in my parent's attic. It is a small radio housed in a white > > metal cabinet with a red grill cloth and red knobs. It has a straight > > wire antenna in lieu of the usual fiberboard-mounted loop. I was > > wondering if this radio internally is identical to the Arvin 440-T. > > Thanks for your time and comment. Sincerely, > > > > John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil > > Naval Research Laboratory > > 4555 Overlook Avenue, SW > > Washington, DC 20375-5337 Hello, and thanks for replying. My newsserver doesn't carry the associated binaries group but the subject radio may be seen at http://tri.net/~rrogers/radio/boys/sil1.jpg Sincerely, John Wood (Code 5550) e-mail: wood@itd.nrl.navy.mil Naval Research Laboratory 4555 Overlook Avenue, SW Washington, DC 20375-5337 Article: 322918 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Cap deciphering question References: <1127314787.476268.56170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:20:08 -0400 Looks like the Working Voltage is 244V. Ken frenchy wrote: > Is there somewhere that would tell me how to decipher a ceramic disc > cap that says "10000 WV 244". I'm know it's a .01 (10000 pf) and that > the rating it's supposed to have in the paperwork is 500 volts, but I > want to make sure I know how to decipher any other similar caps in this > set with slightly diff. numbers. How are the the WV and 244 > interpreted? thanks!....Frenchy > Article: 322919 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:08:44 +0200 Message-ID: <5a3c3a7f9843bba719ed6d3881dee960@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127302743.185584.219770@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> It's not a good idea to change the metering resistors. They were selected for 20mV on the LO post at a X1 meter reading. The Q measurement technique in the Boonton Q meters was all the same: Q= ratio of energy applied to enery stored. With the voltmeter circuit adjusted properly (inject 2VRMS/100KHz across HI/GND, adjust Q meter for 200) and the 20mV injection voltage, you will now read Q as per the designed function. The 160 develops this 20mV by injecting 1/2 amp of RF thru the thermocouple and across a 40milliohm resistor. The 260 uses 1 ampRF across a 20 milliohm (when hot)platinum disc resistor. If you are adjusting/calibrating by using any of the 103A series of coils, it ain't gonna work. Those Q numbers were VERY ballpark-ish. If you are using the 518A Q standards and have a set, use the A4 coil at 150KHz- that is the most reliable and repeatable point in the 160's or 260's. The 513A will show low Q at 1MHz if the "Q-Tube" (1659) is bad.(When these tubes were bad, they were sold for use as the lesser grade 160A tubes. Hi Q readings at 45MHz in the 260 are strictly crappy thermocouple resistors- many (with metering pots)were shipped defective in the later support years. For those with 170 or 190 Q Meters, the LO post voltage is 10 mv for X1, and 3 V applied HI/GND for Q=300. Always available, Pete O. AI2V, last production tech and engineer for Boonton Radio. Article: 322920 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Message-ID: <%zgYe.47087$Wo4.490504@weber.videotron.net> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:16:41 -0400 "J. B. Wood" a écrit > > Hello, and thanks for replying. My newsserver doesn't carry the > associated binaries group but the subject radio may be seen at > > http://tri.net/~rrogers/radio/boys/sil1.jpg Silvertone Model 1. Schematic can be found here: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/370/T0000370.htm Syl Article: 322921 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Tektronix 535 scope From: Larry References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:04:00 -0400 "Jon" wrote in news:e2bYe.77176$PM3.65664@twister.nyroc.rr.com: > Has anyone here restored a Tektronix 535 scope? I've got one that came > from IBM (has the IBM logo as part of the faceplate, and a keyswitch > where the power switch should be). Besides the controls needing > cleaning, there are problems with the intensity control supply, and a > few cracked molded paper caps. I'd like to get those molded caps out > of there - at least in the critical circuits - and then replace the > 'lytics. Things look pretty tight in this scope - has anyone does this > without going mad? > > In the high voltage power supply, where the "flyback transformer" is located, look for any disc ceramic capacitors. Some of these will have a safety spark gap, a little slot cut into the top of the cap that will arc above X volts in a surge. These slots in all that dust get "shorted" out and the high voltage goes to hell, causing intensity problems on a good tube, of course. Brush out any dust you might see on them, then clean the gap with alcohol, flushing it finally to get any residue out. The gap cleaned, the leakage gone, the supply will probably come alive unless the transformer is hosed. 535 is a nice old scope for its day. MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT SOLDER ANY CONNECTIONS IN THE LITTLE CERAMIC SOLDER STRIPS WITHOUT USING SILVER SOLDER! You'll ruin them with normal soldering. Look in the manual for soldering instructions. They are quite fragile, but excellent insulators. -- Larry Article: 322922 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 15:57:09 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Cap deciphering question References: <1127314787.476268.56170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127327535.107625.260870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <47f00$4331bb18$4232bd31$16170@COQUI.NET> nesesu wrote: > smaller caps had various markings even for value. For example a 100pF > could be marked 100 OR 101 [10+1 zero] and a 10pF could be marked 10 or > 100 [10+ no zero] so one needed to get fresh stock, not pick through > the junk box!! One usually needed to consult the part drawing for > voltage but at least most of that vintage were NPO. > > Neil S. > I've seen 100pf marked both as 100 or 101 but I've yet to see a "two-digit" value like 47 marked as 470. I see that in parts number listings but never have seen it on an actual component. Do they really do that? -Bill Article: 322923 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:02:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1127325125.976285.288330@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> The tube types 105A, 102A, 535A, etc. as well as thermocouple 165A (160A) or 565A (260A) were merely Boonton generated part numbers. I suppose it was mainly as a "buy only from us" technique, but sometimes the tubes WERE actually selected. Most tubes were hand stamped right out of the box. At one point around 1967, all the stamps and red/yellow paint were trashed and "selection" ended. -Pete O. AI2V From adouglasatgis.net Thu Sep 22 00:05:22 EDT 2005 Article: 322924 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Boonton 160-a Q-meter (brag + question) Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 16:37:47 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1127282822.097431.32060@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <57e88449c7fe696c0f9973e8d8416c81@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-299.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:322924 Hi, >I'm the last of the Boonton Radio production techs/engineers until bought >out by HP. Wow, thanks for the information. I've never found anyone who actually worked at Boonton, though I'm in touch with C.J. Franks' daughter who owns his original prototype Q meter. I understood that the 2A6s were selected (by RCA) for low grid current. At some point, before the 1950s I would think, RCA must have stopped producing 2A6s, and might have continued to select from stored product. I gather from what you wrote, that a new tube was specified for the 260A model: did RCA make those too? I haven't had much experience with the 260A. My own Q meter is a 260A clone made by Triumph, apparently under an Air Force contract and using Boonton parts. I've never had occasion to look inside since it has always worked fine. Who designed the H-P replacement model? How long did the Boonton operation continue after H-P took over? 73, Alan Article: 322925 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <%zgYe.47087$Wo4.490504@weber.videotron.net> Subject: Re: Silvertone 2 (ca. 1950) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 20:55:08 GMT Ah, not the model I was thinking of but thank you Syl for the quick ID. It's a nice looking set. "Syl" wrote in message news:%zgYe.47087$Wo4.490504@weber.videotron.net... > "J. B. Wood" a écrit > > > > Hello, and thanks for replying. My newsserver doesn't carry the > > associated binaries group but the subject radio may be seen at > > > > http://tri.net/~rrogers/radio/boys/sil1.jpg > > Silvertone Model 1. > > Schematic can be found here: > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/370/T0000370.htm > > Syl > > Article: 322926 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:01:29 GMT Another source of good information would be WA2ISE and others at Audiokarma.org's Antique radio and television forums. Registration is required of course, but there are many good souls there as well always willing to help. "Matt The Cat" wrote in message news:B6fYe.17745$zG1.9640@trnddc05... > Steven, > > That was a fantastic explanation of early television. Thanks for responding > to my question, BUT do you have any sources for old Westinghouse radios? I > have never seen any models of this type on anyone's site or in any > historical context. You did clear up that this radio is possibly from 1936, > but I'd like to find more data on it. Any suggestions? > > I love this radio and it has been with me for a long time. I have no > intentions of ever selling it. I will pass it down to the next generation > along with my Victrola and Technics 1200 turntable. > > Thanks, > Matt > > > "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message > news:n49Ye.1488$wR4.286820@monger.newsread.com... > > "Matt The Cat" wrote in message > > news:Zq7Ye.2794$Az1.2730@trnddc07... > >> I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY > >> information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great > >> condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My > >> grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's true since > > it > >> says that it's "Equipped For Television". > >> > >> Does anyone know of a Westinghouse radio resource? Any help would be > >> most > >> appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Matt > > > > By that they were referring to experimental television, at which time the > > sound may have been amplitude, not frequency modulated (and before you > > become skeptical, not the the British had already adopted this scheme IIRC > > with System A, 305 lines, which ran into the 1980s untouched before being > > eliminated) and the sets would've been able to amplify the sound IF just > > like a radio signal. Some RCAs employed this scheme, and one or two TV > > sets > > actually used it, with no audio of their own (one RCA is famous that > > didn't > > have an audio section just like that). > > > > For a thorough history of television from embryonic ideas to mechanical > > images and hints of oddities that make DVDs a deju vu experience, do visit > > the Early Television Foundation www.earlytelevision.org and while you are > > at > > it try http://www.mztv.com/ The Museum of Television. in Toronto's > > website, > > which is also a big treat and I wish I could see the real thing... > > > > Another treat or two: > > http://www.mediahistory.umn.edu/front/features/996/mclean.html and > > http://www.tvhistory.tv/ > > > > So your grandmother was right but by the time it could have been used, it > > was too late. Do enjoy a wonderful piece of history, and pass it on down > > to > > the next genertion when you are though! > > > > > > Article: 322927 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4331CB3F.AC79A440@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Cap deciphering question References: <1127314787.476268.56170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127327535.107625.260870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <47f00$4331bb18$4232bd31$16170@COQUI.NET> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:05:09 GMT Bill wrote: > > nesesu wrote: > > > smaller caps had various markings even for value. For example a 100pF > > could be marked 100 OR 101 [10+1 zero] and a 10pF could be marked 10 or > > 100 [10+ no zero] so one needed to get fresh stock, not pick through > > the junk box!! One usually needed to consult the part drawing for > > voltage but at least most of that vintage were NPO. > > > > Neil S. > > > > I've seen 100pf marked both as 100 or 101 but I've yet to see a > "two-digit" value like 47 marked as 470. I see that in parts number > listings but never have seen it on an actual component. Do they really > do that? > > -Bill Yes, asian manufacturers have used that system for a long time. I have bags of surplus low voltage asian disc caps that are marked that way, but who uses lots of 50 VDC disc caps these days? -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 322928 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 17:19:45 -0400 Can you find a model number anywhere? Ken Matt The Cat wrote: > I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY > information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great > condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My > grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's true since it > says that it's "Equipped For Television". > > Does anyone know of a Westinghouse radio resource? Any help would be most > appreciated. > > Thanks. > > Matt > > Article: 322929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:08:18 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Cap deciphering question References: <1127314787.476268.56170@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127327535.107625.260870@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <47f00$4331bb18$4232bd31$16170@COQUI.NET> <4331CB3F.AC79A440@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <75fce$4331d9d4$4232bd31$9689@COQUI.NET> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >>I've seen 100pf marked both as 100 or 101 but I've yet to see a >>"two-digit" value like 47 marked as 470. I see that in parts number >>listings but never have seen it on an actual component. Do they really >>do that? >> >>-Bill > > > > Yes, asian manufacturers have used that system for a long time. I > have bags of surplus low voltage asian disc caps that are marked that > way, but who uses lots of 50 VDC disc caps these days? Would you be willing to part with (cheep) some of those under-100pf caps? I have plenty of use for some. -Bill Article: 322930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1126755891.895725.208660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1126784059.723336.226950@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1126787217.270901.305780@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127272336.775040.157340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Sylvania update Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:08:06 GMT Reception is much better in this house than the auction barn, thank goodness, but tuning is still a bit messy and you have to fiddle a bit on FM. It does have AFC. The plastic covering on the sides (not woodgrain) is a little fragile (it's a sorta brown, freckled kind of thing). It's the logical, nice, bland looking plastic box that evolved from the wooden table/mantel sets of the early 50's, like the Wards set I have, only it really sounds great. One doesn't expect that from a US set of that time (at least I don't but I might be wrong). Tuning is certainly touchy and cuts out and in by manipulation, then out again. I may have to repair or replace the switch. But this one is worth it. "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> wrote in message news:f88Ye.1487$wR4.286709@monger.newsread.com... > ON TOPIC > > Terry I bought the H472W at the auction tonight, along with a Sylvania AM-FM > table set with the interim Sylvania logo (a telephone and Roman sans-serif > font instead of the GTE logo). The Circle of Sound will need some switches > cared for and one segment of the third digit is bad. I wonder if that > display is segmented or what board could replace the LEDs. The Sylvania will > need some real TLC but was such a nice sounding SS radio that it and a > recent Realistic (tunes to 1700) should soon be on the road to wellness and > become sombodies gift for the season. Anyone I could show the Zenith to last > night was impressed by the sheer amount of good sound and loud volume that > it can produce. Shoud I brag about some prices? Oh, it's expected of me I'd > reckon so... > > Zenith : $1 > Sylvania: $4 > Blonder-Tongue amp (switchable VHF or all and available FM trap, needed for > my extended network): $2 > late 90s Zenith VHS Hi-Fi and PhilipsMagnavox Hi-Fi: $7.50 each (remotes > included) > NICE oak finish moderns audio/video cabinet (casters included, even better > shape than the last one): $10 > > non radio but NICE also: > > assortment of long stemmed glasses, some with gold trimmings, for parents' > anniversary in Feb: $2 for two different patterns > Two chairs to fix for my one of my tables: $2 > mamiya/sekor (1:2 lens) "De Luxe" with case: $5 (priceless if you ask me) > > AND THE BIGGIE..... > > Hamilton Beach No. 51 Milkshake machine (cloth cord, will get its taill cut > off and a white ext. cord carefully attached to carefully check it out, > although I'd like to find the correct, SAFE cord before I give it away): > $ONLY ONE DOLLAR > > No tubes this week, and no bicycle : ( just 67.10 WELL SPENT on my new home > and the holidaze. > > Article: 322931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: <1127251553.999180.187390@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1127335681.489558.236420@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: I hate that old rubber-insulated wiring! Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:24:49 GMT Yep. It's like asking Nostradamus to tell you things that would happen to your set in 70 years. It was TOTL stuff then, and you have to deal with it because plastics like we have now probably weren't even a gleam in the inventor's mother's eye... "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1127335681.489558.236420@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Larry: > > The UL is a testing agency and not even a little bit prescriptive. They > test what the manufacturers give them and if it passes the tests it > gets the label. From these tests, they then derive standards for other > manufacturers to meet. But, and once again, they are results-based, not > specification-based. > > Careful with the mud you sling. There are a good many apt analogies for > technology leading to unanticipated results. On the Civil Engineering > end, SaraBond is an excellent example. For those of you old enough, > Thalidomide was considered a miracle drug to reduce or prevent morning > sickness. Even "Heroin" got its name because it was considered a > miracle pain-killer for a brief period. Aspirin would never get past > the FDA today were it a new drug, but its uses and efficacy is so well > known that it continues to be available (and Thalidomide IS coming back > BTW, but not for its original use A recent quote: Currently > thalidomide makes an astonishing comeback. Once banned for its > teratogenic side effects the drug is now used successfully for treating > cancer, HIV and leprosis. Newspaper article by Klaus Koch, published in > "Die Woche", 1996-04-12.). > > Rubber coated wire was, in its day, a boon to manufacturers. Easy to > strip, easy to work, cheap to make, and when intact well insulated. > That it was attacked by ozone may have been known, but what was NOT > known was the actual amount of environmental ozone and how much it > would increase in subsequent years. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 322932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <10kc@srvinet.com> References: Subject: Re: Looking for Westinghouse Info Message-ID: <6flYe.1552$wR4.295042@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:35:46 GMT Yes, Matt, is there anything stamped in the chassis at least, something next to the patent information label about all those RCA patents and such? Westinghouse happened to help created RCA if I'm not mistaken out of WW I concerns about vital technologies being concentrated in foreign lands that could turn hostile and use the US radio technologies against us blah blah : ) I'll bet they would've possibly shared this chassis with RCA Victor as it would be spendy to build a small niche item on their own resources if one already existed at a "partner" (long since broken up but I'm sure a friendly relationship was there somewhere). Radiowise they had a lot of the patents listed on those sets and TV-wise nobody wanted to spend a fortune on color TV when nobody was gung-ho so they licensed--you guessed it-RCA Victor designs. "Ken" wrote in message news:S7kYe.16452$nq.3529@lakeread05... > Can you find a model number anywhere? Ken > > Matt The Cat wrote: > > > I have an antique Westinghouse floor model radio. I can't find ANY > > information on the web to help me figure out specifics. It's in great > > condition and offers AM and Shortwave. It still sounds amazing. My > > grandmother told me it was from 1936, but I don't think that's tr