Article: 324709 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: Re: AK-60 and Halloween References: <68341$435d7692$4232be49$13362@COQUI.NET> Message-ID: <8Ie7f.15365$OM.1257973@twister.southeast.rr.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:08:36 GMT Bill wrote: > Isn't ethylene glycol what is in anti-freeze and tastes sweet so animals > tend to lick it up? > Yes, and kill them very dead. And they're VERY sick before they die. Ron Article: 324710 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Acme Electrical appartus, 8Mega Bites References: <1130077441.190181.234000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:12:13 GMT Road Runner, 19 seconds. Warren Weber wrote: > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > news:npN6f.2220$Hs.62@tornado.socal.rr.com... > >> >>retroteckh@aol.com wrote: >> >>>http://retrotech.ca/Acme.pdf >> >>"Amplification, it's what makes radio work!" >> >> >>>It a big file so it takes a while to download. >> >>I love my cable access. It took about 40 seconds to download. >> >>Jeff > > > Jeff .. My cable can eat your cable. 35 seconds. WW > >> >>-- >>RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to >>the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal >>force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED >>under the Internal Security Act of 1950. > > > Article: 324711 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Acme Electrical appartus, 8Mega Bites References: <1130077441.190181.234000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:34:22 -0500 Tim Mullen wrote: > In Randy or Sherry Guttery writes: >>So who'll be the SA > > > ? The first definiton that dict found was: > > n : Nazi militia created by Hitler in 1921 that helped him to > power but was eclipsed by the SS after 1943 > [syn: {Sturmarbeiteilung}, {Storm Troops}] > > But I don't think that's what you meant. Systems Administrator? in the context of "the group": SA = smart ass... I was being something of a SA myself... as there are occasions here ("the group") when there is an occasional episode of just having to *top* everyone else... (=>=>=>=> i.e. guilty of a bit of baiting- and as noted before - my nose is firmly back in the corner)... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 324712 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1130199945.029177.17960@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Shutter Dial Zenith Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:38:57 -0400 "RadioGary" wrote in message news:1130199945.029177.17960@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hello. Assuming this is a shutter dial, or at least close to one, does > it yield the same value, headaches to repair, and same enjoyment to own > as the earlier model Zenith shutter dials? I've a chance to own one in > my own area, not this one in particular for about double the price. > Just wondering if anyone's owned this particular model. > > This is the one I'm not buying > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ZENITH-CONSOLE-RADIO-PHONOGRAPH-MODEL-12H695_W0QQitemZ6570725502QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting > I own a very similar model, same chassis, different cabinet. Mine has the phono in a drawer beneath the radio and looks more like a normal console. That chassis has the early Armstrong FM band, so the only thing you will hear in that range is some fire depts and highway patrol stations, and maybe a few baby monitors and CB at the high end. It is a 12-tube shutterdial, and it is a pretty decent performer, IF you can get beyond the 1942 Zenith styling!!! It was my first console when I got into collecting almost 20 years ago, and I paid WAY too much from it from a local dealer/restorer. The AM and SW performance is quite decent. One other caveat--that phono is full of pot metal. Mine disintergrated when I tried to work on it. Plan on replacing it if you want the turntable to work. Pete Article: 324713 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" Subject: Best audio interstage for a Majestic 90? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:41:21 -0400 Majestic 90 needs an interstage audio--27 driving a pair of 45s in P-P. What's the best bet, at a reasonable price? (Both sides of the secondary are wide open, no way to "fake it".) Pete Article: 324714 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: Re: Shutter Dial Zenith References: <1130199945.029177.17960@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:52:22 GMT Uncle Peter wrote: > That chassis has the early Armstrong FM band, > a few baby monitors and CB at the high end. FM CB? Huh? Ron Article: 324715 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:07:55 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Best audio interstage for a Majestic 90? References: Message-ID: <73353$435d856d$4232be49$23181@COQUI.NET> Uncle Peter wrote: > Majestic 90 needs an interstage audio--27 driving a pair of 45s in P-P. > What's the best bet, at a reasonable price? (Both sides of the secondary > are wide open, no way to "fake it".) > > Pete > > > RadioDaze, Hammond replacement. -Bill Article: 324716 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: New Orthophonic Hi Fi, RCA model SHF-9 From: lherault@bu.edu References: <435c3307_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:27:41 GMT Message-ID: <435d8956_1@newsfeed.slurp.net> Well, I tried downloading two readers for .djvu files and neither work so if someone else can read them and would like to tell me what the electrolytic is supposed to be, I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks for the help so far. Ron L Article: 324717 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1130199945.029177.17960@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Shutter Dial Zenith Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:42:02 -0400 "Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:alf7f.15907$pP1.1184957@twister.southeast.rr.com... > Uncle Peter wrote: > > That chassis has the early Armstrong FM band, > > a few baby monitors and CB at the high end. > > FM CB? Huh? > > Ron most of the Part 15 unlicensed CB stuff moved to 49 MHz years ago. Pete http://support.radioshack.com/support_electronics/doc17/17002.htm Article: 324718 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <73353$435d856d$4232be49$23181@COQUI.NET> Subject: Re: Best audio interstage for a Majestic 90? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:45:02 -0400 "Bill" wrote in message news:73353$435d856d$4232be49$23181@COQUI.NET... > Uncle Peter wrote: > > > > RadioDaze, Hammond replacement. > > -Bill I was worrying too much about matching Z. I guess their 13 dollar generic will work as good as anything... Pete Article: 324719 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:16:12 -0500 Since this is SO FAR off topic - I'll leave it brief and invite further discussion via email if anyone is interested. Here is the long and short of it - if anyone is even remotely considering buying a Maytag product (esp. a washer) - email me... Sherry and I have been through an experience we would never have suspected... best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 324720 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 02:22:58 GMT "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:MrydneaWOfB2WcHeRVn-qw@comcast.com... > > > Orange Drops (at least, those I've seen) have axial leads. > > I'll let Sprague make the call, after all they are their capacitors. http://www.sbelectronics.com/productlines.htm Note the heading "Radial Leaded Film Capacitors, Orange Drop". jim menning Article: 324721 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 22:25:43 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: New Orthophonic Hi Fi, RCA model SHF-9 References: <435c3307_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <435d8956_1@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: lherault@bu.edu wrote: > Well, I tried downloading two readers for .djvu files and neither work so if > someone else can read them and would like to tell me what the electrolytic > is supposed to be, I'd sure appreciate it. > > Thanks for the help so far. > > Ron L Try this: http://www.sparkbench.com/xshf9.gif -Bill M Article: 324722 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: CalBubba Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Date: 24 Oct 2005 21:47:01 -0500 Message-ID: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> References: Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote: > Since this is SO FAR off topic - I'll leave it brief and invite further > discussion via email if anyone is interested. Here is the long and > short of it - if anyone is even remotely considering buying a Maytag > product (esp. a washer) - email me... Sherry and I have been through an > experience we would never have suspected... > Well, I am now the proud (?) owner ("Congratulations...") of a Maytag stove. There's something strange about the thing. With the burner grates so high above the burners, and with the burner diameters so large with no center flame, I could swear that the thing wastes an awful lot of gas with most of the flame going up around the side of the pots. Am I imagining this? CalBubba Article: 324723 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: philsvintageradios Subject: Re: Best audio interstage for a Majestic 90? Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:01:43 GMT On Mon, 24 Oct 2005 20:41:21 -0400, " Uncle Peter" wrote: >Majestic 90 needs an interstage audio--27 driving a pair of 45s in P-P. >What's the best bet, at a reasonable price? (Both sides of the secondary >are wide open, no way to "fake it".) > >Pete > > Pete I asked a similar question about a 1929 rogers radio. I think your radio may be similar in circut design. I went with the transformer from AES that someone from the group recomended and it worked fine.. maybe have a look at the thread to see if it helps. it is a long link so if it wraps you might have to peice it back together. Phil http://groups.google.ca/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/browse_thread/thread/30556065d19a7323/f2f74d6a604a9109?lnk=st&q=rogers+interstage+mrhuntnpeck&rnum=1&hl=en#f2f74d6a604a9109 Article: 324724 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <2A47f.27402$sJ5.647387@wagner.videotron.net> <4bKdnTcYc4T88sDeRVn-qg@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:09:50 -0400 "William Sommerwerck" a écrit dans le message de news: 4bKdnTcYc4T88sDeRVn-qg@comcast.com... > > Orange drops are radial, not axial, unless you own a dictionary > > with a different definition of the word radial... > > Here's the Encarta Dictionary definition. Decide for yourself... Sorry William but I don't have to "decide" anything, I think it's pretty obvious. Short of giving a geometry class, here's the definition of radial and axial; Spreading out on the same plane = radial (arranged or having parts arranged like rays relating to, placed like, or moving along a radius characterized by divergence from a center) Situated in the direction of, on, or along an axis = axial (extending in a direction essentially _perpendicular_ to the plane of a cyclic structure, located in the direction of an axis is _perpendicular to a diameter_.) Examples (pictures) Radial caps: http://www.apexjr.com/capacitorsR.html#Disc Axial caps: http://www.apexjr.com/capacitorA.html Syl From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Sat Oct 29 13:08:34 EDT 2005 Article: 324725 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: anyone want some 10 inch speakers? References: <1130052577.0b0bd7a32d866988999c721bd593df02@teranews> <25780-435BB8A2-692@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <1130115142.865335.208490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:09:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyc.rr.com 1130209797 66.65.49.10 (Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:09:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:09:57 EDT Organization: Road Runner - NYC Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!twister.nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:324725 In article <1130115142.865335.208490@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Peter Wieck wrote: > Cutting the center 'bubble" (dust cap) is inelegant and unnecessary. Well...it didn't matter to me. I was replacing the dust cap anyway. :) -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 324726 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130077441.190181.234000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Acme Electrical appartus, 8Mega Bites Message-ID: <9oh7f.411$ZA3.111714@monger.newsread.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:12:05 GMT What ever it was, I lost track and don't care how fast it loads. By all means play with it ;-) "Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message news:l2f7f.5111$NJ.1917@bignews7.bellsouth.net... > Tim Mullen wrote: > > In Randy or Sherry Guttery writes: > > >>So who'll be the SA > > > > > > ? The first definiton that dict found was: > > > > n : Nazi militia created by Hitler in 1921 that helped him to > > power but was eclipsed by the SS after 1943 > > [syn: {Sturmarbeiteilung}, {Storm Troops}] > > > > But I don't think that's what you meant. Systems Administrator? > > in the context of "the group": SA = smart ass... I was being something > of a SA myself... as there are occasions here ("the group") when there > is an occasional episode of just having to *top* everyone else... > (=>=>=>=> i.e. guilty of a bit of baiting- and as noted before - my nose > is firmly back in the corner)... > -- > randy guttery > > A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews > so vital to the United States Silent Service: > http://tendertale.com Article: 324727 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <2A47f.27402$sJ5.647387@wagner.videotron.net> <4bKdnTcYc4T88sDeRVn-qg@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: <6th7f.412$ZA3.111883@monger.newsread.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:17:22 GMT Real oranges would be a lot nicer right now. "Syl" wrote in message news:Tlh7f.38666$sJ5.968801@wagner.videotron.net... > "William Sommerwerck" a écrit dans le message de > news: 4bKdnTcYc4T88sDeRVn-qg@comcast.com... > > > Orange drops are radial, not axial, unless you own a dictionary > > > with a different definition of the word radial... > > > > Here's the Encarta Dictionary definition. Decide for yourself... > > Sorry William but I don't have to "decide" anything, I think it's pretty > obvious. > Short of giving a geometry class, here's the definition of radial and axial; > > Spreading out on the same plane = radial > (arranged or having parts arranged like rays > relating to, placed like, or moving along a radius > characterized by divergence from a center) > > Situated in the direction of, on, or along an axis = axial > (extending in a direction essentially _perpendicular_ to the plane of a > cyclic structure, > located in the direction of an axis is _perpendicular to a diameter_.) > > Examples (pictures) > > Radial caps: > http://www.apexjr.com/capacitorsR.html#Disc > > Axial caps: > http://www.apexjr.com/capacitorA.html > > Syl > > > Article: 324728 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Orange Drops Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:29:17 -0600 Message-ID: <17813-435DA68D-261@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: My car has both radials and axials Article: 324729 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <879c6$435cc7e7$4232bd48$1891@COQUI.NET> <-NWdneqWtMJwUcHeRVn-tg@comcast.com> <7p47f.2862$QM5.1093@tornado.socal.rr.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:12:03 -0400 "William Sommerwerck" a écrit dans le message de news: xoydnUdK1bN-88DeRVn-tg@comcast.com... > > Radial | | > > > Axial -- -- > By your reasoning, if the leads of an Orange Drop were at the same end, they > would then be axial. No. They would be radial. Syl Article: 324730 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: anyone want some 10 inch speakers? Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:34:19 -0600 Message-ID: <17812-435DA7BB-968@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: I sent myself an email about this Article: 324731 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <17813-435DA68D-261@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:52:15 GMT "Ken G." wrote in message news:17813-435DA68D-261@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net... > My car has both radials and axials My house has quadradials and coaxials. Article: 324732 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <17812-435DA7BB-968@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: anyone want some 10 inch speakers? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 03:53:24 GMT "Ken G." wrote in message news:17812-435DA7BB-968@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net... > I sent myself an email about this Did you reply? Article: 324733 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:40:32 -0600 Message-ID: <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Tell the story here :-) I once read a post somewhere on the net about someone trying to get a new gasket for the front door on one of those things . After what he went through he could have built a new washer out of mud and sticks . Article: 324734 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 21:40:55 -0600 Message-ID: <17813-435DA947-263@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Tell the story here :-) I once read a post somewhere on the net about someone trying to get a new gasket for the front door on one of those things . After what he went through he could have built a new washer out of mud and sticks . Article: 324735 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:24:13 -0500 Ken G. wrote: > Tell the story here :-) I once read a post somewhere on the net about > someone trying to get a new gasket for the front door on one of those > things . After what he went through he could have built a new washer out > of mud and sticks . Ok - that is "the" well known problem of the incredibly poor design of the door seals on the "Neptune" front loader washers. Maytag recently agreed to settle the class action law suit. This was probably the first "warning sign" of the problems at Maytag. I know people that have had Maytags for years - like 20 - 30 without problems. My mother, for instance - has had Maytags for well over 50 years - she just bought her third set last year. Extremely reliable. But that was then - this is now. Maytag has apparently been in a tail spin for a few years - and their quality / quality control / customer service has gone down hill like a dropping rock. Sherry and I bought a new Kenmore washer a couple of years after I got out of the Navy. It was a (then) top-of-the-line Whirlpool with a Kenmore badge. It's now 22 years old - and recently the spin clutch started slipping. Rather than put a couple hundred into rebuilding a 22+ year old machine - we decided to buy a new machine. Looking at Consumer Reports, and "feature comparisons" here and there -- it appeared that the upper mid-line Maytags had the best feature / price offering. There are other really unique machines out there these days - the Fisher-Paykel with it's 1000 RPM spin and something like only 10 moving parts - no belts, gears, transmission, pulleys, etc. wild for a top loader. However - there have been reports of it's electronics control having reliability problems. So the - Maytag - M/N MAVT546EWW - stainless steel tub, 600 RPM spin, 20 something cycles, infinitely variable water level, intelligent water temp control (EnergyStar rated); electronic control for a huge set of selectable features - and a neat feature called "finger faucet" which provides water on demand for pre-treating, diluting fabric softener, and rinsing your hands. Sherry had found out about the finger faucet feature - as my mother's new machine has it. So - for $585 home it came. It was *very* quiet - worked fine. At first. Then we noticed the finger faucet wasn't working right - once the machine filled - it stopped working. Which is dumb - as it's AFTER the thing fills that it's so handy (and my mother's works *anytime*). We contacted Maytag. I won't repeat all the stupid replies we received -- just give you an idea: one person sent an email saying that the finger faucet feature was designed to work only when the machine was filling. Sherry wrote back asking: "Let me see if I have this right - Maytag put a switch on the machine to turn on the water when the water is already running. Is that right?" The answer: "Sorry for the inconvenience". In trying different things (setting the water level to less than "max" full, etc. - we found that the machine's electronic control system would get confused - nothing would work - and the only way to restore it back to operating would be to unplug the machine and let it sit an hour - then it would usually go back to working fine. And again - at this time - it was working quite well - when it worked - and except for the finger faucet "issue". I found the wiring diagram for the unit - and found that I could put a 3PDT relay in and restore the finger faucet's "correct" operation. i.e. basically bypass the control board. The reason it needed 3P - is that on Thursday (10/13/05) we discovered that if the water temp select was on "HOT" - guess what the finger faucet "delivered" --- and in my house - that is VERY hot!!! enough to scald an unsuspecting person! So the third pole would cut off the hot valve while the other two powered (both hot and neutral) the COLD valve. (the finger faucet switch on the panel is rated 16A 120VAC - so that would run the coil of the relay just fine). We tried to tell Maytag about the potential scald problem - but by this time they weren't answering our emails - returning calls - nothing. We checked with my mother - and she found that when you push the finger faucet button - you get cold (or cool) water anytime - if the temp select is on HOT - the cold immediately cools it down to quite safe temps. And as noted - anytime - even after filling. Friday - I do a normal load of clothes in the morning - it runs fine. I unplug the unit to do something to the dryer (close quarters) - plug it back in a few minutes later - and the lights on the panel just flash - nothing works, won't respond to any switches (save the lid - which only caused the pattern to change). Call Maytag customer service. Tell her what it's doing. Lights? it has Lights on it? "Yes, it's a model with electronic control - what you guys call "Intelli Dial". "Oh. Well just unplug it for a while." "I have - several times - once for over an hour - same thing." Well you'll have to call your local servicer. Sorry for the inconvenience." By this time I'm getting tired of that comment. I call the servicer - a local company who I've known for nearly 25 years. I talk to the owner - and she just said "take it back" - I'll fix it if that's what you really want - but I'll be back - and back... we can't hardly keep boards in for these things. OK - how is the next model down - nearly same features but with a traditional mechanical timer. Well - they aren't breaking all the time --- but.... Hm.... So Sherry and I call the guy at Lowes we bought it from - tell our tale of woe - and he just says - no problem - bring it back. We decide to go ahead and get the model with the mechanical timer (MAVT446AWW). It's still stainless tub; 620 RPM spin, finger faucet, doesn't have all the cycles nor EnergyStar - but it's about $55 less - which they readily hand us. So Saturday evening - we have a new machine. End of story? HA!!!!! welcome to the NEW Maytag!!!!! We unpack the thing- the stainless steel tub looks like an amateur welded the seam - the weld has holes in it - its very rough - and looks like it's either rusting (stainless?) or has some kind of contamination discoloring the metal. The whole idea of a stainless tub is that they are very smooth, stay that way - and are very gentle on the clothes. We got to looking - and it looked in places like it might have been a used machine - there were water marks in the bottom of the tub; and stuff like that - yet - it was in it's factory packing. It appeared Maytag was just stuffing anything they could into boxes and shipping it. Sherry needed to pick up some stuff from Walmart Sunday - so she drifted through Lowes and looked at the machines on the floor. Very nice machine welded seams - couldn't hardly feel the weld running your fingers over it. Nope - this one sucked -and sucked bad. So I go on the web and do some searches- and of course the majority of complaints are the Neptunes. A lot of the early ones with the mold problem - but - now I also notice there are complaints about recent ones and the door latch "Wax motors" whatever the heck that is... and scattered all through are horror stories of how the Maytag customer reps are all spewing nothing but well rehearsed excuses and "Sorry for the...". And then - especially recently - are more and more postings about machines lasting only a year or two and then having major problems - and Maytag not wanting to fix them - other postings about Amana motors in Maytags that don't last very long... and transmission seals that fail in 18 months just out of labor warranty - and they want a fortune in labor to fix the things. By the time we went to bed Sunday night (what a fun way for Sherry to spend her birthday) we had the thing back in it's packing. This morning I called the local service people again - and asked her to be frank - off the record. I'll not repeat anything she said - but it was interesting to say the least (they service every major brand- including those strange Fisher-Paykels). We took the second Maytag back to Lowes. The young lady at the returns register looked a little surprised when I told here we wanted to return a washing machine - then she thought a moment and asked "Maytag?" "Yup - how'd you know" well we don't get many washers back - but when we do... We now have a very nice mid-level Whirlpool. It doesn't have a stainless tub (it's porcelain on steel); it doesn't have a finger faucet; but it does have about 27 cycles, infinite water level, intelligent water temp (EnergyStar listed); doesn't spin quite as fast (I think its around 500 RPM) but you know what? I bet I sleep better tonight than last night... and I'm looking forward to another 20+ years of NOT worrying about the washer... It's a shame. Once upon a time - Maytag was "the dependability brand". I hope Whirlpool can salvage the brand - since I now hear that they bought (or are in the process of buying) Maytag. One of the washer M/Ns that was listed as having early failing seals - is the model my mother got last year - so hopefully not all current Maytags suck --- so I guess while I don't have to worry about my machine - we'll all be watching hers like a hawk... OF COURSE - all of the above is my opinion - statements are to the best of my knowledge and recollection, etc. -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com From kawninja.at.nospam.cableone.dot.net Sat Oct 29 13:08:37 EDT 2005 Article: 324736 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve P." Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:25:13 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-10!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:324736 I bought a Maytag Performa washer and dryer about 4 years ago and have been very pleased with them. Steve P. "Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message news:Pxg7f.4$ty1.3@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > Since this is SO FAR off topic - I'll leave it brief and invite further > discussion via email if anyone is interested. Article: 324737 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:36:35 -0500 Steve P. wrote: > I bought a Maytag Performa washer and dryer about 4 years ago and have been > very pleased with them. As noted - in the not so distant past - Maytag was excellent-- and hopefully will be again - but in the mean time - buyer beware is very much (IMHO) appropriate... best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 324738 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carter-K8VT Subject: Re: Shouldn't this Zenith Baby Strat be up in the thousands by now? References: <1130163687.213456.296140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130169046.039750.319060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130199603.092609.178990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:23:03 GMT Eddie Brimer wrote: > the grille is hideous....some > peoples kids. you give them a scroll saw for christmas and they > blaspheme all over a nice radio. I dunno...even if you don't like it, it seems fairly nicely done (or as best as you can tell from the pictures). Any chance this was done at the factory for some kind of retirement gift or presentation or ??? Carter K8VT Article: 324739 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Orange Drops Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:02:14 -0700 Message-ID: <20412-435E2CD6-527@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> References: >My car has both radials and axials > ________ > >My house has quadradials and coaxials. My car is constipated. It can't pass anything. ..back to corner oc Article: 324740 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 08:18:16 -0500 Peter Wieck wrote: > Read the Ralph Hake/Maytag story since about the end of 2003 or so (He > took over in 2001). He pretty much ran the place into the ground by > focusing on short-term goals.... And.... You know - that is indeed one of the things that caught my attention in all this. Yes - I blame him and him alone. In my limited (but fairly long) experience I've found that most workers reflect the attitude of management. What's troubling, then - is Hake's previous experience would lead one to suspect that he would have been an excellent CEO for Maytag - as he came up at Mead - whose products - while not flashy - certainly meet reasonable expectations - then from Whirlpool - a company who's reputation for quality is quite good (esp. refrigerators, washers and dryers). Then two years in the construction business immediately before Maytag --- one wonders what about that industry caused him to apparently "forget" all he learned at Mead and Whirlpool about quality. > And.... > > If the company does sell to Whirlpool, he is entitled to an > approximately $10 million dollar severance package. IMHO - getting rid of him might be one of the best moves Maytag / new owners could make... best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 324741 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:30:48 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > I'm not responsible for the idiots at Sprague. Remember that most engineers > are poorly educated, especially in matters lingual. Which is probably why they're employed and you aren't. > Inasmuch as a device's leads can be bent in any direction, what's the point > of saying that a device has "axial" or "radial" leads? None. It's where the > lead are _located_ that matters. That's a bit of a stretch, but it's what I'd expect as an explanation >from someone who refuses to back down. Axial.... Since you don't get it yet. If you hold the leads and rotate the part, the part rotates symmetrically. Radial.... If you bend the leads away from each other and rotate the part, it will not rotate symmetrically about the axis. > The leads on an Orange Drop are located along the "axis" of the device, not > its radius. Case closed. The only thing closed here is your mind. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 324742 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:42:51 -0500 Peter Wieck wrote: > The folks at Maytag (those Americans who actually build the machines) > dodged a bullet when Whirlpool decided to purchase the company over a > Chinese offer, and has run about an inch away from bankruptcy these > last two years or so. White Goods are coming out of Korea (LG), Mexico > (Whirlpool), Brazil (GE & Whirlpool), Italy and China. GE remains about > the largest appliance maker which still is primarily US-based... and > that is because it invested billions in automating its factories over > the last five years. Our ex-landlady (we bought the house from her last spring) purchased a new gas stove for us last year. It was made in--of all places--Turkey! It works okay...I couldn't even tell you whose badge is on it. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 324743 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: <8wr7f.434$ZA3.115440@monger.newsread.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:43:16 GMT Party! Everybody rhumba "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:csq7f.2935$QM5.814@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > William Sommerwerck wrote: > > > I'm not responsible for the idiots at Sprague. Remember that most engineers > > are poorly educated, especially in matters lingual. > > Which is probably why they're employed and you aren't. > > > Inasmuch as a device's leads can be bent in any direction, what's the point > > of saying that a device has "axial" or "radial" leads? None. It's where the > > lead are _located_ that matters. > > That's a bit of a stretch, but it's what I'd expect as an explanation > from someone who refuses to back down. > > Axial.... Since you don't get it yet. If you hold the leads and > rotate the part, the part rotates symmetrically. > > Radial.... If you bend the leads away from each other and rotate > the part, it will not rotate symmetrically about the axis. > > > The leads on an Orange Drop are located along the "axis" of the device, not > > its radius. Case closed. > > The only thing closed here is your mind. > > Jeff > > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 324744 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Wire recorders References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 09:53:18 -0500 Tim Mullen wrote: > In <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "toxcrusadr" writes: > > >>I read that in a sci fi novel. I think it's an intriguing idea, but I >>can't believe there would be enough acoustic power or (especially) >>"resolution" using a stick in the clay, to get anything recognizable. >>Imagine the noise and rumble of the spinning table! > > > A few years back I saw an episode of one of those (Friendly) Aliens > Amongst Us cheesy sci-fi shows where the Good Alien recovered a > conversation from some oil paintings in the artist's apartment. > Fun idea, but, no, can't see how that would work. Inkjet printer > for sound? :) > Strange but true: researchers have proved to be able to decypher the actual script typed on a computer by merely recording the sound of the typist. They don't even need a representative sample of the sound of each key. The process involves simply recording the sound of an anonymous typist, typing text. A computer sorts out and separates the unique sound of each individual key, then applies standard decryptogaphy techniques--mostly involving frequency which a particular key is struck--to work out the text...to something like 85-95% accuracy. Scary stuff.... Article: 324745 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: rare From: "Haggis" telus.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:25:23 GMT Looking for something on the 'infamous auction' this morning I noticed how many titles had "rare" in them. What I was looking for could be considered "rare" I guess :-). Then in a rare free moment, I typed "rare" into the search box - only 323921 items came up! No, I didn't continue. Does anyone really search by 'rare' or 'vintage' or 'antique'? Haggis. Article: 324746 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: rare Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:37:06 GMT "Haggis telus.net>" wrote in message news:D7s7f.53221$S4.31574@edtnps84... > Looking for something on the 'infamous auction' this morning I > noticed how > many titles had "rare" in them. What I was looking for could be > considered > "rare" I guess :-). Then in a rare free moment, I typed "rare" into > the > search box - only 323921 items came up! No, I didn't continue. Does > anyone > really search by 'rare' or 'vintage' or 'antique'? > > Haggis. I certainly wouldn't search for "rare", but the use of certain words like rare, vintage, antique, etc. in the title do stand out when doing category searches, and thus probably have some value. jim menning Article: 324747 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbelly Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 12:04:07 -0400 On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 00:24:13 -0500, Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote: >Ken G. wrote: >> Tell the story here :-) I once read a post somewhere on the net about >> someone trying to get a new gasket for the front door on one of those >> things . After what he went through he could have built a new washer out >> of mud and sticks . > >Ok - that is "the" well known problem of the incredibly poor design of >the door seals on the "Neptune" front loader washers. Maytag recently >agreed to settle the class action law suit. This was probably the first >"warning sign" of the problems at Maytag. > You should have went to Home Depot. The Maytag that I got from them works great! Article: 324748 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: Subject: Re: rare Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:38:02 GMT I only look at items if the magic word L@@K! appears. -- Mike Schultz "jim menning" wrote in message news:Cis7f.9016$8K4.7262@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Haggis telus.net>" wrote in message > news:D7s7f.53221$S4.31574@edtnps84... >> Looking for something on the 'infamous auction' this morning I noticed >> how >> many titles had "rare" in them. What I was looking for could be >> considered >> "rare" I guess :-). Then in a rare free moment, I typed "rare" into the >> search box - only 323921 items came up! No, I didn't continue. Does >> anyone >> really search by 'rare' or 'vintage' or 'antique'? >> >> Haggis. > > I certainly wouldn't search for "rare", but the use of certain words like > rare, vintage, antique, etc. in the title do stand out when doing category > searches, and thus probably have some value. > > jim menning > Article: 324749 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Saul Rabinowitz Subject: Re: rare References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:55:11 GMT Haggis Looking for something on the 'infamous auction' this morning I noticed how > many titles had "rare" in them. What I was looking for could be considered > "rare" I guess :-). Then in a rare free moment, I typed "rare" into the > search box - only 323921 items came up! No, I didn't continue. Does anyone > really search by 'rare' or 'vintage' or 'antique'? How about "mint?" Saul Article: 324750 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: CalBubba Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Date: 25 Oct 2005 11:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: <435e63c6$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130252600.772769.325100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Peter Wieck wrote: > When we were in Turkey a couple of years ago, they were very proud of > the fact that they made cars, buses, appliances and most everything > else a "real European" country makes... or so said the Taxi Driver. And > the Taxi (Turkish) ran fairly well. The narrow gauge Istiklal Trolley > Cars were little gems. Istanbul is also one of the cleaner cities you > might ever visit, and you will notice one other peculiarity: Stray dogs > and cats are spayed, vetted and collared, and usually > (color-permitting) a dye-spot is put on one flank to differentiate them > from untreated animals. Accordingly, they are generally healthy, > friendly and entirely unaggressive, at least based on our considerable > wanderings during a week spent in the city. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > I'm going to start a new "OT" about this issue. A new twist. Bubba Article: 324751 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: CalBubba Subject: OT: What's worth buying? Date: 25 Oct 2005 12:13:01 -0500 Message-ID: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> We've shared our horror stories about poor-quality American home appliances here lately. We've seen the results in our own homes of mergers, acquisitions, bottom line fever, and huge executive salaries. When I buy a Maytag washer, am I buying a washing machine, or am I making a donation right into the CEO's pocket? My friend's Amana washing machine literally collapsed. I noticed the paper-thin steel of his replacement Sears/Whirlpool; and the flimsiness of its timer. His (Mexican) GE/Sears stove wouldn't boil water. My own Sears/Whirlpool damages clothing. Its timer sticks at two points. Let's try this another way. Based on _very recent purchases_: Is there any domestic American brand that's delivering decent products? What should we buy? I believe in buying American as much as possible, but have we finally turned the corner of no return? In other words, no matter how patriotic, are we shooting ourselves in the feet by not buying foreign? Finally, I know of a man who has built a really good business rebuilding _only_ Whirlpool/Sears washers and dryers made 7 years ago and back. Back to my bottom line question: in self defense, what is worth buying? Bubba Article: 324752 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carter-K8VT Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:26:16 GMT Beerbelly wrote: > > You should have went [sic] to Home Depot. The Maytag that I got from them > works great! I'm glad you got a good one, but why should he have "went" to Home Depot? Are the ones sold at Home Depot designed differently or made at a different factory than the Maytags sold at other retail outlets ??? Article: 324753 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Wayne Tiffany" Subject: Wards Airline Radio Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:01:45 -0500 Message-ID: I just recently became the proud owner of an old Wards Airline radio. You can find pictures here www.kcswug.com/images all titled Don's radio. I don't know a lot about it because the label inside the cabinet is not all there. Does anyone know anything more about it than what you see in the pictures? Is it a common radio, rare, etc? Worth anything? The cabinet is in good shape as far as not coming apart. It shows some wear because the set was used basically every day way back when. Any thoughts? WT Article: 324754 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: AK-60 and Halloween Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <68341$435d7692$4232be49$13362@COQUI.NET> <8Ie7f.15365$OM.1257973@twister.southeast.rr.com> In Tom Adkins writes: >Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: >> Bill wrote: >> >>> Isn't ethylene glycol what is in anti-freeze and tastes sweet so >>> animals tend to lick it up? >> >> Yes, and kill them very dead. And they're VERY sick >> before they die. > Yes, it is fatal if ingested (pets and people). It crystallizes in the kidneys and >shuts them down. Very painful. Thanks for that info, guys. I never knew that. > I've never heard of the mist produced by foggers >causing health problems though. I've never noticed it tasting sweet, either. I'd think foggers used in clubs and on stage would be reasonably safe. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 324755 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Acme Electrical appartus, 8Mega Bites Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:19:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1130077441.190181.234000@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In Randy or Sherry Guttery writes: >in the context of "the group": SA = smart ass... I was being something >of a SA myself... as there are occasions here ("the group") when there >is an occasional episode of just having to *top* everyone else... >(=>=>=>=> i.e. guilty of a bit of baiting- and as noted before - my nose >is firmly back in the corner)... :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 324756 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbelly Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: <5ttsl1lflr5uvr6rq7tmj9llad76pg9m25@4ax.com> References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:21:40 -0400 On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:26:16 GMT, Carter-K8VT wrote: >Beerbelly wrote: > >> >> You should have went [sic] to Home Depot. The Maytag that I got from them >> works great! > >I'm glad you got a good one, but why should he have "went" to Home >Depot? Are the ones sold at Home Depot designed differently or made at a >different factory than the Maytags sold at other retail outlets ??? Yep! Article: 324757 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbelly Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130252600.772769.325100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <435e63c6$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:23:20 -0400 On 25 Oct 2005 11:59:01 -0500, CalBubba wrote: >Peter Wieck wrote: >> When we were in Turkey a couple of years ago, they were very proud of >> the fact that they made cars, buses, appliances and most everything >> else a "real European" country makes... or so said the Taxi Driver. And >> the Taxi (Turkish) ran fairly well. The narrow gauge Istiklal Trolley >> Cars were little gems. Istanbul is also one of the cleaner cities you >> might ever visit, and you will notice one other peculiarity: Stray dogs >> and cats are spayed, vetted and collared, and usually >> (color-permitting) a dye-spot is put on one flank to differentiate them >> from untreated animals. Accordingly, they are generally healthy, >> friendly and entirely unaggressive, at least based on our considerable >> wanderings during a week spent in the city. >> >> Peter Wieck >> Wyncote, PA >> >I'm going to start a new "OT" about this issue. A new twist. >Bubba Maybe Petey should move back if he likes it so much. Article: 324758 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbelly Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130252600.772769.325100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <435e63c6$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130263672.196091.299340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:24:07 -0400 On 25 Oct 2005 11:07:52 -0700, "toxcrusadr" wrote: >I knew there was SOMEthing about Turkey...check today's news. > >DIYARBAKIR, Turkey (Reuters) - A Turkish court fined 20 people for >using the letters Q and W on placards at a Kurdish new year >celebration, under a law banning characters not used in the Turkish >alphabet, rights campaigners said Tuesday. > >The court in the southeastern city of Siirt fined each of the 20 people >100 new lira for holding up the placards, written in Kurdish, at the >event last year. The letters Q and W do not exist in the Turkish >alphabet, but are used in Kurdish. > >Complete story: >http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2005-10-25T140252Z_01_EIC550544_RTRUKOC_0_US-TURKEY-KURDS.xml > >So much for the free speech thing. I figured I'd rot in prison after >being framed as a drug dealer. I had no idea the alphabet could land >you there. > >:-) > >Tox That sounds like the middle east I know! haha! Article: 324759 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry" Subject: Noisy IF can in S53? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:24:41 -0230 Circa 1955; Hallicrafter S53, 1st IF can seems noisy and sometimes microphonic. IF primary is in plate of 6BA6 freq. changer. (455 kHz.) Remove 6BA6 noise disappears completely . Replace 6BA6 and shunt its plate to ground through 0.1 mfd. cap, noise almost disappears. Shunt the secondary output winding of the IF can and or the grid of next stage (1st IF tube), to ground through ).1 mfd. noise disappears. Looks like noise is within the IF can? Haven't opened it yet but could be silver migration or bad/corroded coil connection from B+ through IF primary, or summat? Would welcome any advice re Hallicrafters' IF cans? Article: 324760 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:06:20 -0400 "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > The brute fact of the matter is that US corporations are largely driven > by Wall Street and quarterly earnings reports. Unless they have VERY > deep pockets (such as GE), or are highly diverse (such as Whirlpool), > they simply do not have the internal means to both make millions for > their executives _and_ satisfy the short-term needs of Wall Street. > Read the Ralph Hake/Maytag story since about the end of 2003 or so (He > took over in 2001). He pretty much ran the place into the ground by > focusing on short-term goals.... And.... > Snip > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > The "Big Box" stores are just as merciless as Wall Street. You can bet those companies are told up front how much their appliances will be sold for; and that pretty much sets their profit margins and quality from the get-go. I've seen several local Cub Cadet dealers go under when the tractors started appearing in those stores. They were actually selling them for LESS than what the small family owned dealerships were paying for them. The quality suffered. RadioShack is another company that you'd better have a real sharp pencil before contracting with. Pete Article: 324761 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1130163687.213456.296140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130169046.039750.319060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130199603.092609.178990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1130263710.090687.188330@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Shouldn't this Zenith Baby Strat be up in the thousands by now? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:14:50 -0400 "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1130263710.090687.188330@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > not a chance. what i don't understand is why he didn't just do the > correct one if he was going to spend all that time on it. or pay the > 200.00 that alan j. gets for one. > Probably didn't know it was available, or didn't care... the finish looks surprisingly decent--I'd like to see that one in person. I could deal with the grille replacement considering the overall apparent condition of the set. Pete Article: 324762 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <2A47f.27402$sJ5.647387@wagner.videotron.net> <4bKdnTcYc4T88sDeRVn-qg@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:16:17 -0400 "Syl" wrote in message news:Tlh7f.38666$sJ5.968801@wagner.videotron.net... > Exactly. Parallel, and being on the same axis are mutually exclusive. Pete Article: 324763 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:13:40 -0600 Message-ID: References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> ah come on guys. the country has voted and spoken. we dont want those manufacturing jobs here. we're all gonna be engineers and design things. randy "CalBubba" wrote in message news:435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com... > We've shared our horror stories about poor-quality American home > appliances here lately. We've seen the results in our own homes of > mergers, acquisitions, bottom line fever, and huge executive salaries. > When I buy a Maytag washer, am I buying a washing machine, or am I making > a donation right into the CEO's pocket? > > My friend's Amana washing machine literally collapsed. I noticed the > paper-thin steel of his replacement Sears/Whirlpool; and the flimsiness of > its timer. His (Mexican) GE/Sears stove wouldn't boil water. My own > Sears/Whirlpool damages clothing. Its timer sticks at two points. > > Let's try this another way. Based on _very recent purchases_: > > Is there any domestic American brand that's delivering decent products? > What should we buy? > > I believe in buying American as much as possible, but have we finally > turned the corner of no return? In other words, no matter how patriotic, > are we shooting ourselves in the feet by not buying foreign? > > Finally, I know of a man who has built a really good business rebuilding > _only_ Whirlpool/Sears washers and dryers made 7 years ago and back. > > Back to my bottom line question: in self defense, what is worth buying? > > Bubba Article: 324764 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Wire recorders Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:16:42 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "jakdedert" wrote in message news:Fxr7f.4024$ty1.3010@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > Tim Mullen wrote: >> In <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "toxcrusadr" >> writes: >> >> >>>I read that in a sci fi novel. I think it's an intriguing idea, but I >>>can't believe there would be enough acoustic power or (especially) >>>"resolution" using a stick in the clay, to get anything recognizable. >>>Imagine the noise and rumble of the spinning table! >> >> >> A few years back I saw an episode of one of those (Friendly) Aliens >> Amongst Us cheesy sci-fi shows where the Good Alien recovered a >> conversation from some oil paintings in the artist's apartment. >> Fun idea, but, no, can't see how that would work. Inkjet printer >> for sound? :) >> > Strange but true: researchers have proved to be able to decypher the > actual script typed on a computer by merely recording the sound of the > typist. They don't even need a representative sample of the sound of each > key. The process involves simply recording the sound of an anonymous > typist, typing text. > > A computer sorts out and separates the unique sound of each individual > key, then applies standard decryptogaphy techniques--mostly involving > frequency which a particular key is struck--to work out the text...to > something like 85-95% accuracy. its kind of an interseting science. given any letter, at any position in a word, there are actually very few possibilities for the next letter. given 2,3 or 4 letters together, you can be almost certain of the next letter. same for words. randy Article: 324765 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130270657.104213.14150@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:24:16 -0500 Sofa Slug wrote: > I'm curious as to what version Whirlpool machine that you own... Assuming you're asking me - the Kenmore / Whirlpool was *the* top of the line 22 years ago... *very* heavy, built like a tank - yadda yadda. (I'm still thinking about putting a new spin clutch in it). The new Whirlpool is the model GSW9800PW Ultimate Care™ II System. > Having said all that, I do feel that there > is still a certain amount of luck involved in purchasing any new > product today, on or off-shore, partuclarly an expensive one. You can > research something to death and still end up with a turkey. Yeah- like Maytag - even with the net, it's taking a while for word to "get around" - and most of us would like to believe the "early" stories were "just a fluke" - against Maytag's LONG reputation. Then there is the notion that it only took Maytag a couple of years to go from the top of the heap - to the bottom... And as seldom as one (normally) buys such appliances - it's not like finding out Coke changed their formulae (again)... best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 324766 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130252600.772769.325100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <435e63c6$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130266706.618152.134400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130270876.832617.92490@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 15:30:07 -0500 toxcrusadr wrote: > or > New Awlins. :-) crap - I've been next door to cajun country for nearly a quarter century - and still I can barely catch what they're saying..8-} regarding envying world travelers - I guess it's a sign of being old - I'm perfectly content to stay put (in my younger days - I did enough traveling to last the rest of my life). best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 324767 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:44:22 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Wards Airline Radio References: <1130270545.312615.4280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: toxcrusadr wrote: > Not sure if you are a radio collector, but if not, Rule #1, do not plug > it in to see if it works. It can be made to work again (looks to be in > great shape electronically and mechanically) by a qualified radio > technician, probably for $10 worth of parts. You run the risk of > burning out expensive or hard to find components if it's powered up > when not properly restored. Mine has two #45 tubes, which are getting > to be $20+ each even for used ones - if you know where to look. Take > good care of it. > > If you need help restoring it or want to hire someone to do it for you, > let us know and we will try to help. Your location would be helpful in > that case. > > Cheers, > > Tox > Nice looking console. I don't recognize the model either but as Tox suggests try browsing the Radio Attic under Montgomery-Ward, Airline or Wards. It will definitely need re-capping. If you're radio-savvy that can be fairly simple. There's some good beginner info at http://www.antiqueradio.org/ (site seems to come up when it feels like it) -Bill Article: 324768 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:55:56 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Wards Airline Radio References: <1130270545.312615.4280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <2d8bb$435e9be0$4232bd3b$19715@COQUI.NET> Looks a lot like the Airline model shown here: http://radioatticarchives.com/images/a/Airline_62-152_(1935)_Wheeler.jpg Schematic is here, see if it matches: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/297/M0011297.pdf GL, Bill Article: 324769 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Wire recorders Message-ID: References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:14:58 GMT But do you really think that the keys on a computer keyboard actually have unique sounds, given that they all actuate virtually identical membrane switches? I suppose that each individual keyboard, would with use, develop some distinctive sounds on some keys. They could always tell if it's me on the keyboard; the backspace key is very well used. Gordon Richmond Article: 324770 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:52:27 -0500 Peter Wieck wrote: > If the likes of Ford and GM don't get it, there is very little hope for > the rest of the US manufacturing base. Only a vanishingly few US-flag > companies have the committment of GE (whatever else you may think about > them) to their US base. But GE survives on innovation and has the deep > pockets to do it. > > We just purchased a 1987 VW Camper, with 187500 miles on it. The only > part on it not working properly on receipt was the power-window switch, > dirty. This includes stuff like the stove, refrigerator, battery and > water pumping systems, space heater... > > Certainly, Americans are fully capable of excellent work... look at any > Honda, Toyota or any of several other brands from US plants. And let's > not forget Sony televisions. > > But to get right to your point, limiting to US-Flag companies: > > Stihl is still the best-in-class > Caterpillar makes the best heavy equipment available, although they are > very much endangered by the likes of Volvo and others. > I do not think that heavy construction cranes are being manufactured in > the US any longer. > BATTERIES.... From flashlight to car, standard-technology batteries > from the US are still best-in-class. Also sealed lead-acid types. But > stray into high-tech stuff, and the lead shifts off-shore once again. > Locomotives. GE still makes the best units on earth for heavy lifting. > Passenger stuff... Germany and Japan. Steam: China. > Socks > Shoes, if one can afford them. > Hand Tools (Mac, Klein, Channel Lock, Snap-On) Granted most of the above--and below; where I have any direct knowledge, at least; but I have a set of Klein tools that I purchased 10 years ago. The fit & finish are 'just' above average. The strippers included in the set are junk, as are a couple of other pieces. The rest has held up well. By contrast, when I was in Germany in the 80's, I picked up a set of Wiha brand screwdrivers at a Bauhaus (sorta like Home Depot) store...probably cost around $10. The finish was superior to anything >from Klein. They've held up extremely well over almost 20 years, so I assume that the metal is good, as well. I just looked at one of the Phillips head drivers and could barely discern any wear on the tip--despite the fact that they've been my 'daily drivers' since I bought them. > Medical Equipment (but endangered) > Relays (endangered) > Electrical Switchgear (endangered) > Motors (endangered) > School buses > Heavy trucks > Viking stoves > JennAir > > > Put simply, not a lot of consumer stuff. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 324771 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: Wards Airline Radio Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:48:59 GMT Odd, but I had at least two of them, one FRONT FULL, and FRONT DIAL, just come up blank! Not an error page but BLANK. "Wayne Tiffany" wrote in message news:djlru9$lsr$1@sadr.dfn.de... > I just recently became the proud owner of an old Wards Airline radio. You > can find pictures here www.kcswug.com/images all titled Don's radio. I > don't know a lot about it because the label inside the cabinet is not all > there. > > Does anyone know anything more about it than what you see in the pictures? > Is it a common radio, rare, etc? Worth anything? The cabinet is in good > shape as far as not coming apart. It shows some wear because the set was > used basically every day way back when. > > Any thoughts? > > WT > > Article: 324772 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:52:09 GMT I abuse my 1996 Kenmore laundry pair worse than most. I have no clue why you have a problem. Article: 324773 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Wire recorders References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:07:05 -0500 Gordon Richmond wrote: > But do you really think that the keys on a computer keyboard actually > have unique sounds, given that they all actuate virtually identical > membrane switches? > > I suppose that each individual keyboard, would with use, develop some > distinctive sounds on some keys. > > They could always tell if it's me on the keyboard; the backspace key > is very well used. > > Gordon Richmond "Researchers at UC Berkeley claim they can just listen to keyboard taps and piece together a 96% accurate reconstruction of English words typed — and 90% of all randomly generated five-character passwords within 20 tries. The techniques used are “relatively easy” using a $10 PC microphone, open source spelling and grammar correction tools, and some custom code written by the researchers which will almost certainly end up on a torrent soon. This all works ‘cause like a congo drum, keys slapped at different points along the plate under the keyboard emit different tones." Abstract of the original paper from: (there's a link to the paper itself, but it doesn't seem to work for me) "We examine the problem of keyboard acoustic emanations. We present a novel attack taking as input a 10-minute sound recording of a user typing English text using a keyboard, and then recovering up to 96% of typed characters. There is no need for a labeled training recording. Moreover the recognizer bootstrapped this way can even recognize random text such as passwords: In our experiments, 90% of 5-character random passwords using only letters can be generated in fewer than 20 attempts by an adversary; 80% of 10-character passwords can be generated in fewer than 75 attempts. Our attack uses the statistical constraints of the underlying content, English language, to reconstruct text from sound recordings without any labeled training data. The attack uses a combination of standard machine learning and speech recognition techniques, including cepstrum features, Hidden Markov Models, linear classification, and feedback-based incremental learning." Article: 324774 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130252600.772769.325100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <435e63c6$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130266706.618152.134400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130270876.832617.92490@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130271153.065481.165900@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> <1130274782.153859.31890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: <91y7f.459$ZA3.120996@monger.newsread.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:08:05 GMT Crappy appliances and cats in trees on binaries... I'll risk talking about fixing a stereo if it will only involve the word radio or turntable "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1130274782.153859.31890@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Yeah, I figured, but I had fun with it too. > Article: 324775 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:09:44 -0400 "William Sommerwerck" a écrit dans le message de news: 0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com... > > I'll let Sprague make the call, after all they are their capacitors. > > http://www.sbelectronics.com/productlines.htm > > Note the heading "Radial Leaded Film Capacitors, Orange Drop". > > I'm not responsible for the idiots at Sprague. Remember that most engineers > are poorly educated, especially in matters lingual. > > Inasmuch as a device's leads can be bent in any direction, what's the point > of saying that a device has "axial" or "radial" leads? None. It's where the > lead are _located_ that matters. > > The leads on an Orange Drop are located along the "axis" of the device, not > its radius. Case closed. This has to be the dumbest reply I've read from you so far. And you call yourself educated ? No wonder you're out of job. Syl Article: 324776 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130252600.772769.325100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <435e63c6$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130266706.618152.134400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130270876.832617.92490@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:10:47 GMT "Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message news:mzw7f.8234$ty1.3176@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > toxcrusadr wrote: > > > or > > New Awlins. :-) > > crap - I've been next door to cajun country for nearly a quarter century > - and still I can barely catch what they're saying..8-} > > regarding envying world travelers - I guess it's a sign of being old - > I'm perfectly content to stay put (in my younger days - I did enough > traveling to last the rest of my life). > > best regards... > -- > randy guttery > > A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews > so vital to the United States Silent Service: > http://tendertale.com The only difference is it's 40% easier for the world to know when you bite it in Whazzupistan. Article: 324777 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130252600.772769.325100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <435e63c6$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130263672.196091.299340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:12:48 GMT "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1130263672.196091.299340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I knew there was SOMEthing about Turkey...check today's news. > > DIYARBAKIR, Turkey (Reuters) - A Turkish court fined 20 people for > using the letters Q and W on placards at a Kurdish new year > celebration, under a law banning characters not used in the Turkish > alphabet, rights campaigners said Tuesday. > > The court in the southeastern city of Siirt fined each of the 20 people > 100 new lira for holding up the placards, written in Kurdish, at the > event last year. The letters Q and W do not exist in the Turkish > alphabet, but are used in Kurdish. > > Complete story: > http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=oddlyEnoughNews&storyID=2005-10-25T140252Z_01_EIC550544_RTRUKOC_0_US-TURKEY-KURDS.xml > > So much for the free speech thing. I figured I'd rot in prison after > being framed as a drug dealer. I had no idea the alphabet could land > you there. > > :-) > > Tox Campbell's sales must be wildly down Article: 324778 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Saul Rabinowitz Subject: Re: What's worth buying? References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Message-ID: <78y7f.847$te3.15989@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:15:31 GMT Steven Dinius_ wrote: > I abuse my 1996 Kenmore laundry pair worse than most. I have no clue why you > have a problem. > Bubba asked specifically "Based on _very recent purchases_." It's obvious that he worded his question (and _underlined it like this_) precisely to rule out responses such as this one, based on your products made nine years ago. What's important is how to obtain a good appliance new, right now. Saul Article: 324779 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:15:47 GMT Generally, stuff in tin cans are tops. Article: 324780 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: rare Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:17:56 GMT How many for "well done"? "Haggis telus.net>" wrote in message news:D7s7f.53221$S4.31574@edtnps84... > Looking for something on the 'infamous auction' this morning I noticed how > many titles had "rare" in them. What I was looking for could be considered > "rare" I guess :-). Then in a rare free moment, I typed "rare" into the > search box - only 323921 items came up! No, I didn't continue. Does anyone > really search by 'rare' or 'vintage' or 'antique'? > > Haggis. Article: 324781 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Wire recorders Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:31:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> In jakdedert writes: >"Researchers at UC Berkeley claim they can just listen to keyboard taps >and piece together a 96% accurate reconstruction of English words typed >— and 90% of all randomly generated five-character passwords within 20 >tries. The techniques used are “relatively easy” using a $10 PC >microphone, open source spelling and grammar correction tools, and some >custom code written by the researchers which will almost certainly end >up on a torrent soon. This all works ‘cause like a congo drum, keys >slapped at different points along the plate under the keyboard emit >different tones." This oughta fix their wagon: http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ "Expecting Dvorak, were you?" Personally, I like the layout with the ATTACK key. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 324784 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Wire recorders Message-ID: References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:01:08 GMT I see now. Explained in that light, it does indeed make sense. I suppose some makes of keyboards are more susceptible to being so monitored than others. I can see a possible countermeasure, too. Use your computer's sound card to record the sounds made by all the different keystrokes, and then write a little program, incorporating a random-number generator, to play back a random keystroke-sound each time a key is struck, but louder, so the random sounds would swamp out the sounds of the actuall keys being struck. You could also glue a piece of sheet lead to the bottom of the keyboard; it's a fine resonance damper. Gordon Richmond Article: 324785 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Wire recorders Message-ID: References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:05:56 GMT That's actually a handsome keyboard, Tim. Is it actually on the market, or is it just a concept at this point? One thing it lacks is a nifty feature that was on a keyboard I used to use, but wore out. A little LCD screen right above the numeric keypad, with a key that you could toggle to turn the numeric keypad into a basic four-function calculator. I used that a lot,and wish I could find another keyboard with that feature; it was handy as all get-out. Gordon Richmond Article: 324786 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Wire recorders Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> In Gordon Richmond writes: >That's actually a handsome keyboard, Tim. Is it actually on the >market, or is it just a concept at this point? They claim next year: http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/answers/ Here's one of my favorite keyboards: http://daskeyboard.com/ (I like black. :) No way could I really use this thing, though. Sure would keep (most) other people from borrowing your machine. >One thing it lacks is a nifty feature that was on a keyboard I used to >use, but wore out. A little LCD screen right above the numeric keypad, >with a key that you could toggle to turn the numeric keypad into a >basic four-function calculator. I used that a lot,and wish I could >find another keyboard with that feature; it was handy as all get-out. ??? Isn't that what your computer's for? Normally I use bc (faster), but when I feel the need there's about a dozen different X-window calculators. Surely, someone must've written one for the OS and window system you're using. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 324787 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: Don't miss... Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:37:13 GMT Thanks Dan! I'm watching it. "Daniele" wrote in message news:Vzy7f.31395$Pe2.597267@twister2.libero.it... > ...this book: ebay item 6572137989 > I've the same, i'd scan it but i can't find > the time for it, maybe for incoming winter. > Great 'clearly speaking' book and is not > about single models/brands. > A 'must' near your bench. > > -- > > Daniele ^___^ > http://www.tuberadio.it > > Article: 324788 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: FL hurricane kills email & web domain in WA Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:38:46 GMT Rodents love large power conduits...ask the stations in Boise about that. "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:N7WdnfA24uzZM8PeRVn-sw@giganews.com... > Although I live in the Pacific NW, thousands of miles from southern Florida, > I have been without email for the last couple of days, and my website has > been dead for roughly the same time, even though email comes via satellite > from one company and my website domain is hosted by another company. > > Apparently, they both have servers located in the power outage zone :-) > Maybe I should shop around for companies whose servers are located in, say, > Saskatchewan. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > > > Article: 324789 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <78y7f.847$te3.15989@typhoon.sonic.net> Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:41:19 GMT I obviously don't have to, nor do I want to if I can repair and maintain it. Case closed No problems here, move along "Saul Rabinowitz" wrote in message news:78y7f.847$te3.15989@typhoon.sonic.net... > Steven Dinius_ wrote: > > I abuse my 1996 Kenmore laundry pair worse than most. I have no clue why you > > have a problem. > > > > Bubba asked specifically "Based on _very recent purchases_." > > It's obvious that he worded his question (and _underlined it like this_) > precisely to rule out responses such as this one, based on your products > made nine years ago. What's important is how to obtain a good appliance > new, right now. > > Saul Article: 324790 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wire recorders Message-ID: <_pz7f.469$ZA3.122558@monger.newsread.com> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:42:50 GMT Just whap the shit out of it when typing and make lots of mistakes. They'll give up. Article: 324791 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:43:36 -0600 Message-ID: <25780-435EC328-1043@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: Guess one should never buy a Mayfag then ! When i first moved here and went to work with my brother .. Whirlpool was always the most dependable and favorable machine to work on . I work for an outfit that gets Costco salvage and i have seen and worked on many dozen Kirkland / Whirlpool washers and dryers . 98% of the problems were simple such as a childs sock that ended up in the pump or a broken lid switch or a broken plastic motor link . I never see Maytag but have had in a few GE . GE put a metal bottom on their washers that is very thin . If someone lets the foot of a hand truck push up onto the bottom of one of these it bends in and then the pully inside the machine scrapes on it . I have fixed several . We seldom get back a Whirlpool washer where i work and if we do its normally always a small sock in the pump .. a 5 minute fix . Article: 324792 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: FL hurricane kills email & web domain in WA Message-ID: <5Kz7f.1772$yX2.158@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:04:17 GMT I live in Southwest Florida. I have my website, my e-mail, and all my other faculties including electricity. I was listening to those hurricane updates on my Atwater-Kent. If I'd've been watching TV, I'd be scared . . . -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:N7WdnfA24uzZM8PeRVn-sw@giganews.com... > Although I live in the Pacific NW, thousands of miles from southern > Florida, I have been without email for the last couple of days, and my > website has been dead for roughly the same time, even though email comes > via satellite from one company and my website domain is hosted by another > company. > > Apparently, they both have servers located in the power outage zone :-) > Maybe I should shop around for companies whose servers are located in, > say, Saskatchewan. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > > > Article: 324793 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <6PSdnS99489tWsPenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:08:07 GMT I'm definitely buying an orange, not dropping it "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:6PSdnS99489tWsPenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > The only thing closed here is your mind. > > I find it amazing that the people in this (and other groups) don't have > broken jaws -- because when you suggest something that's even remotely > different from what they think, their knees jerk instantly, and with great > force. > > Article: 324794 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: FL hurricane kills email & web domain in WA Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:38:34 +0900 Message-ID: References: <5Kz7f.1772$yX2.158@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:5Kz7f.1772$yX2.158@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... >I live in Southwest Florida. I have my website, my e-mail, and all my >other faculties including electricity. I was listening to those hurricane >updates on my Atwater-Kent. > > If I'd've been watching TV, I'd be scared . . . > I think that stupidity is a prerequisite to be a television field reporter.. idiots standing out in 100+ MPH winds waiting to see if they get blown over (one did), standing in Everglade City as the storm surge (which was supposed to top 9 feet) started coming up over their feet, etc.. Now there's a way to get a scoop... "XYZ Network field reporter Mortimer Snerd drowns in storm surge after being electrocuted by waterlogged video equipment!" Article: 324795 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Wire recorders Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:05:15 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> "Gordon Richmond" wrote in message news:lkdtl190atuvqva2crrk076f44bur4e8p9@4ax.com... >I see now. > > Explained in that light, it does indeed make sense. I suppose some > makes of keyboards are more susceptible to being so monitored than > others. > > I can see a possible countermeasure, too. Use your computer's sound > card to record the sounds made by all the different keystrokes, and > then write a little program, incorporating a random-number generator, > to play back a random keystroke-sound each time a key is struck, but > louder, so the random sounds would swamp out the sounds of the actuall > keys being struck. or just play metallica louder than the keys... randy Article: 324796 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:04:50 -0400 "William Sommerwerck" a écrit dans le message de news: 55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com... > > This has to be the dumbest reply I've read from you so far. > > And you call yourself educated? No wonder you're out of job. > > I'm one hell of a lot better educated than you are. And what's worse (from > your point of view) is that I actually use my intelligence -- something most > people don't do. I doubt it but if makes you feel superior, so be it. Now I want to see any U prof. endorsing your definition of axial and radial and I _may_ change my mind about your "education". I won't hold my breath though... > By the way, I am employed. I'm at HP, and one of things I'm doing is > cleaning up the dreadful writing in the Helpdesk documentation. I was hire > to do that. Well, that IS good news. You should offer your services to IBM too, they need it badly and this would secure your near future, at least for a coupla years. They also badly need competent helpdesk techs... Syl Article: 324797 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <78y7f.847$te3.15989@typhoon.sonic.net> <1130287210.417314.276050@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:25:44 -0400 "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130287210.417314.276050@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Best to ignore the invincibly ignorant. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA And yet better to spend six bucks a month and get Consumers Reports online. Even if you don't agree with their recommendations, GAH-RON-TEED you will gain a better idea of the current issues at hand with many commodity items. Article: 324798 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: FL hurricane kills email & web domain in WA Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:29:01 -0400 "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:N7WdnfA24uzZM8PeRVn-sw@giganews.com... > > Maybe I should shop around for companies whose servers are located in, > say, Saskatchewan. What, in our Tornado Alley? There's nowhere safe for a server. Frank Article: 324799 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: Orange Drops Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:34:31 -0500 Message-ID: References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:08:08 -0700 "William Sommerwerck" wrote: >The leads on an Orange Drop are located along the "axis" of the device, not >its radius. Case closed. If you would open up an Orange Drop, you would find that you are mistaken. The rolled film/foil is in the form of a pressed cylinder whose axis points left-right if you hold the capacitor in your hand with the leads pointing toward your stomach and the lettering facing your nose. Axial leads would have to point left right. Radial leads point along a radius of the cylinder, in this case, toward your belly button. It's clear that you think you're right about this, but at some point you should be starting to wonder why you can't find any confirmation of your point of view. I think all of us out here would be surprised if you could find a single example that supports your point of view, but at least most of us would listen. - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- Article: 324800 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:10:39 -0400 Message-ID: <11ltpd1onkd0r34@corp.supernews.com> References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote: > Extremely reliable. > But that was then - this is now. > > > So the - Maytag - M/N MAVT546EWW - stainless steel tub, 600 RPM spin, 20 > something cycles, infinitely variable water level, intelligent water > temp control (EnergyStar rated); electronic control for a huge set of > selectable features Randy- This is an old radio/phono forum. Do I really have to point out the real problem here ? I see nothing good in the list above. I always look for the most expensive device that still has almost no features (like Toyotas or Volvos- you pay more for the Spartan effect). You want hot-cold-warm, water level, gentle/regular- everything else is BAD- VERY VERY BAD. My friends who are mechanics all drive 1990 Hondas and Toyotas with crank windows and no power anything. Reliability equals fewer features. Features equal things to go wrong. Next time, buy a $300- Kenmore IMHO. John H. Article: 324801 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry" References: <1130271199.613451.219940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Noisy IF can in S53? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:41:40 -0230 "nesesu" wrote in message news:1130271199.613451.219940@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Terry, this sounds like it is current driven since 'no plate current-no > noise'. Naturally, you have replaced the 6BA6 and checked the > connections from IF to tube pin [bad solder, corrosion on tube socket]. > Check the resistance across the coil [compared to the secondary] by > clipping onto connections away from the transformer [so as to not > deflect the pins and cover up the problem] and tapping the coil while > watching for any meter fluctuations. > Also, the noise could be coming from the B+ side of the coil since any > noise there will not couple through the transformer unless the 6BA6 is > drawing plate current--check the by-pass capacitors on that circuit. > This is less likely since the cap you put on the 6BA6 plate should have > made such noise worse. > > Neil S. > Thanks Neil. Current driven makes sense . Also to recheck everything around the 6BA6 which had been noisy (I also tested the tube and gave it a few good whacks and increased the heater voltage momentarily while in the 'emission-only' tester to try and detect 'shorts' or intermittents and also swapped it for another one) cleaned the tube socket and aligned the tube pins etc. Or maybe there is bad cap. in the B+ feed or the screen feed to the 6BA6. I think I should take everyone's? advice and just recap all the paper caps. There's a couple of British? TCCs in there from somewhere! and possibly an intermittent audio coupling 0.003! But BTW radio works well apart from the 'crackling' noise. Your help with the thought process much appreciated. At some point in history having replaced the original (Glass tube) 5Y3 with a JAN metal tube found that in manufacture Hallicrafters had used pin 1 of the rectifier socket as a B+ tie point; OUCH! Also I had replaced the original power transformer around 1957/58. Because, I was told, the radio had been sold to and plugged in on ship with a 115 volt DC system! Apparently transformers don't like DC! :-) The radio hadn't worked aboard ship and after the original transformer had got very hot and caught fire the radio was brought back to the store where I acquired it for next to nothing along with a Hammond replacement power transformer; which puts out B+ that is 50 to 60 volts higher than original spec! Article: 324802 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" Subject: How many of you own Mystery Control Radios? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:12:59 -0500 Message-ID: <435ee62a$0$32206$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> I may have a working battery for them in the next few months. Check on binaries for more info. Bill Article: 324803 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:56:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <78y7f.847$te3.15989@typhoon.sonic.net> On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:15:31 GMT Saul Rabinowitz wrote: >What's important is how to obtain a good appliance >new, right now. Most of what I currently own and use is 30+ years old, but I've often wondered about contemporary quality. I get nervous just thinking about it, and thus tend to keep repairing my old appliances when they break, which is seldom. Perhaps the answer to the question above is to look for used appliances. They're out there, and they are likely to be terrific bargains if you have any DIY tendencies at all. Otherwise, consult Consumer Reports. Each monthly issue has a cumulative index to everything they've reported on in the last 18 months. I know CR gets lots of criticism for not knowing enough about the products they test, but they are honest, and if you are willing to sit down a read the article they will tell you exactly what their test consisted of and what their rating criteria were. It's much better than just trying to pour thru the ad copy from each of the makers. - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- Article: 324804 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry" References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:48:13 -0230 "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message news:n8y7f.462$ZA3.121083@monger.newsread.com... > Generally, stuff in tin cans are tops. > > Err; generally the tops of cans are tin stuff? Article: 324805 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Stewart" Subject: FS: Dial Cover Business For Sale Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:24:55 GMT I am interested in selling the business www.dialcoversandmore.com. This business has produced high quality dial cover reproductions for about 10 years, originally owned by "RadioRita" for about 5 years, and by myself for another 5 years. This could be a good opportunity for a mechanically inclined person seeking a small, home based, internet business. You could also merge this with an existing business to form a larger enterprise. There is a monetary investment involved, and the business will not instantly pay that back. It may take a year or more to return your investment. The business includes everything required to produce high quality dial covers: The rights to the www.dialcoversandmore.com web site, the web hosting site and all the information contained. Large custom made molding machine with primary and secondary vacuum source. Over 200 dial cover molds that are guaranteed to fit over 400 different radio models. *** This indicates that there have been over 400 orders for dial covers with unique model numbers that have been completed and the customer was pleased with the results. The existing dial cover mold inventory will fit many more model numbers. Only guaranteed to fit dial covers have been listed on the web site. *** The dial cover molds each took an average of 3-5 hours of skilled labor to produce, and are made to tight dimensional tolerances. The cross-reference list between dial cover molds and radio model numbers. Over 50 radio knob molds made of RTV silicone rubber. All items, drill press, sander, small tools, boxes, etc required to make the business operate. One-on-one instruction on the creation of dial cover molds and dial covers. The items for the business are located in Austin, TX USA If interested, contact me at info@dialcoversandmore.com and include "business" in the subject line. All inquiries will be held in strict confidence and will not be posted on the Internet. All interested parties must agree that any further communication will be held in strict confidence and will not be posted on the Internet. Best Regards, Mike Stewart Article: 324806 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Orange Drops Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:24:56 -0400 Message-ID: <11ltq7p1ttn371a@corp.supernews.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> As founder of this thread, I'm amazed at how it has grown. I just started it to stir the pot humorously. I still have dozens of 5 cent vintage Hosfelt orange drop. I use them in TV's, AA5's, and filter cans (By the way TVs and AA5s looks incredibly stupid and confusing, the apostrophe is essential.) Has anyone mentioned it is the leads orientation to the axis of the WIND of the foil IIRC that cap makers are referring to? Aligned- axial 90 degree opposed- radial John H. Article: 324807 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:29:44 -0400 "Mike Stewart" wrote in message news:XNB7f.28772$GQ.21153@tornado.texas.rr.com... > I am interested in selling the business www.dialcoversandmore.com. > This business has produced high quality dial cover reproductions for > about 10 years, originally owned by "RadioRita" for about 5 years, > and by myself for another 5 years. > > Wow. This is sad news. With Bill Turner still recovering, who's left out there providing these services? Pete Article: 324808 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:45:10 -0400 Message-ID: <11ltrdorkonkg90@corp.supernews.com> References: Uncle Peter wrote: > > > > Wow. This is sad news. With Bill Turner still recovering, who's left out > there providing these services? There hasn't been anyone for months, Peter. I've resorted to making my own. None of the hobby stores here have acetate sheet, none remember ever having it. I use blister pack stock instead, actually a "stepping stone mold" from the craft store cut up, which is made from a heavier version of such blister-pack plastic. John H. Article: 324809 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:48:28 -0400 Message-ID: <11ltrjt79geq6be@corp.supernews.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <78y7f.847$te3.15989@typhoon.sonic.net> Saul Rabinowitz wrote: > What's important is how to obtain a good appliance > new, right now. > > Time machine? H bombing China? John H. Article: 324810 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> <11ltpd1onkd0r34@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:12:39 -0500 Hagstar wrote: > Randy- > > This is an old radio/phono forum. Do I really have to point out the real > problem here ? I see nothing good in the list above. I always look for > the most expensive device that still has almost no features (like > Toyotas or Volvos- you pay more for the Spartan effect). You want > hot-cold-warm, water level, gentle/regular- everything else is BAD- VERY > VERY BAD. My friends who are mechanics all drive 1990 Hondas and Toyotas > with crank windows and no power anything. Reliability equals fewer > features. Features equal things to go wrong. So I take it from that you don't have any early SuperHets? Afterall they were WAY more complicated than a TRF... and TRFs received just fine. My point was - that quality (not technology) of certain products was (IMHO) headed towards rock bottom... There is nothing "gee whiz" about a finger faucet (it's just a switch to turn on the cold water valve). If its installed wrong - then it's the implimentation - not the technology that's at fault. The "real problem" is technology? A tuning eye in 1936 was about as "GEEWHIZ" as ICs today. Yet - when installed correctly, using reasonable quality parts - they are pretty reliable. Were even in 1936. A 1920s radio made with square nails with copper wire wound around them for connections (rather than solder joints) sure wouldn't have lasted any longer than crappy welds today. What "technology" was in the 1920s radio was / is irrelevant to how well they were assembled. According to you we should have eschewed superhets after all - they were surly more "trouble prone" than TRFs since they contained many more parts than the TRF - which received stations "well enough". No, technology isn't the culprit here - crappy craftsmanship, cutting too many corners with poor quality design, implementation and materials is the problem. > Next time, buy a $300- Kenmore IMHO. Why? What advantage has a $300 Kenmore (made by Whirlpool) over my $500 Whirlpool? Does it have a lifetime warranty porcelain on steel basket - or a piece of plastic warranted for a year? (the outer tub is 10 years). Does it have a five year warranty on the gearcase/transmission? Does it have a 3 speed motor that can slow way down to wash delicates without damage - or does it agitate like a jack hammer? Does it have a second rinse and spin to get ALL of the detergent out (that Sherry is sensitive to)? Does it have EnergyStar rated features (Accuwash and infinite water level settings) that saves me money everytime I use it - and will more than make up the $200 difference well before it wears out??? Not a chance. Oh - and I drive a 1987 Honda Accord - that came stock with power windows, retracting headlights, remote trunk release, remote gas filler door release, remote side mirrors, tilt steering wheel, remote hood release, power steering, power brakes, air conditioning, etc. all of which still works. It ain't "the gadgets" it's how they're made. Which was - and is -- my point. Be penny wise & pound foolish if you wish - I like a good return on my money. -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 324811 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: New Orthophonic Hi Fi, RCA model SHF-9 From: lherault@bu.edu References: <435c3307_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <435d8956_1@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:16:43 GMT Message-ID: <435ef464$1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net> Thanks, I got that one OK. Ron L Article: 324812 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbelly Subject: Who the hell cares about washing machines anyway? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:31:34 -0400 At least the stupid ass orange drop thread is on topic! Even if it has turned into one of the stupidest arguments I have yet to see here. And you guys make fun of Steven......hahaha Article: 324813 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:01:25 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale References: <11ltrdorkonkg90@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <4a4c5$435eff98$4232bde6$32440@COQUI.NET> Hagstar wrote: > > > There hasn't been anyone for months, Peter. I've resorted to making my > own. None of the hobby stores here have acetate sheet, none remember > ever having it. I use blister pack stock instead, actually a "stepping > stone mold" from the craft store cut up, which is made from a heavier > version of such blister-pack plastic. > > John H. > I understand a fella named Doyle Roberts is making them now. John, Micromark has the heat moldable sheets. -Bill Article: 324814 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <1130260609.015627.99730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1130292849.304925.56340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: <2nD7f.481$ZA3.126633@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:12:46 GMT "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130292849.304925.56340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Oh, good LORD.... Damn, you are psychic, Peter. Article: 324815 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <78y7f.847$te3.15989@typhoon.sonic.net> <1130287210.417314.276050@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:13:40 GMT Bullshit. They always win. "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130287210.417314.276050@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Best to ignore the invincibly ignorant. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 324816 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wire recorders Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:16:07 GMT "xrongor" wrote in message news:djmkoa$6ovt$1@news3.infoave.net... > > "Gordon Richmond" wrote in message > news:lkdtl190atuvqva2crrk076f44bur4e8p9@4ax.com... > >I see now. > > > > Explained in that light, it does indeed make sense. I suppose some > > makes of keyboards are more susceptible to being so monitored than > > others. > > > > I can see a possible countermeasure, too. Use your computer's sound > > card to record the sounds made by all the different keystrokes, and > > then write a little program, incorporating a random-number generator, > > to play back a random keystroke-sound each time a key is struck, but > > louder, so the random sounds would swamp out the sounds of the actuall > > keys being struck. > > or just play metallica louder than the keys... > > randy MASTER OF PUPPETS! Better yet BRING THE NOISE... > > Article: 324817 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:17:29 GMT "Terry" wrote in message news:pHB7f.5612$ki7.320207@news20.bellglobal.com... > > "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message > news:n8y7f.462$ZA3.121083@monger.newsread.com... > > Generally, stuff in tin cans are tops. > > > > > Err; generally the tops of cans are tin stuff? You a billy goat? You take those, green peas for me. Article: 324818 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <78y7f.847$te3.15989@typhoon.sonic.net> <11ltrjt79geq6be@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:18:29 GMT Hamburger Oops, need bread too! Article: 324819 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> <11ltpd1onkd0r34@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:22:59 GMT "Hagstar" wrote in message news:11ltpd1onkd0r34@corp.supernews.com... > Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote: > > > Extremely reliable. > > But that was then - this is now. > > > > > > So the - Maytag - M/N MAVT546EWW - stainless steel tub, 600 RPM spin, 20 > > something cycles, infinitely variable water level, intelligent water > > temp control (EnergyStar rated); electronic control for a huge set of > > selectable features > > Randy- > > This is an old radio/phono forum. Do I really have to point out the real > problem here ? I see nothing good in the list above. I always look for > the most expensive device that still has almost no features (like > Toyotas or Volvos- you pay more for the Spartan effect). You want > hot-cold-warm, water level, gentle/regular- everything else is BAD- VERY > VERY BAD. My friends who are mechanics all drive 1990 Hondas and Toyotas > with crank windows and no power anything. Reliability equals fewer > features. Features equal things to go wrong. > > Next time, buy a $300- Kenmore IMHO. > > John H. Even with a downed window, low gas and such, I will still pass your Chrysler fast enough to change the station before you change your mind ;-) FREE Article: 324820 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:26:49 GMT They are all M+A+D, Syl, incurable under the scope of the moonlight... "Syl" wrote in message news:ECA7f.17586$bh4.1513680@weber.videotron.net... > "William Sommerwerck" a écrit dans le message de > news: 55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com... > > > This has to be the dumbest reply I've read from you so far. > > > And you call yourself educated? No wonder you're out of job. > > > > I'm one hell of a lot better educated than you are. And what's worse (from > > your point of view) is that I actually use my intelligence -- something > most > > people don't do. > > I doubt it but if makes you feel superior, so be it. Now I want to > see any U prof. endorsing your definition of axial and radial and > I _may_ change my mind about your "education". > > I won't hold my breath though... > > > > By the way, I am employed. I'm at HP, and one of things I'm doing is > > cleaning up the dreadful writing in the Helpdesk documentation. I was hire > > to do that. > > Well, that IS good news. You should offer your services to IBM too, > they need it badly and this would secure your near future, at least for > a coupla years. They also badly need competent helpdesk techs... > > Syl > > > > Article: 324821 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:28:20 GMT I want Lemon, Lime, Cherry and Grape Drops, but without Smith Brothers cough medicine in it. "Jim Adney" wrote in message news:irmtl1pkmip2c2tli9jtah8pcpmmlssk25@4ax.com... > On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 05:08:08 -0700 "William Sommerwerck" > wrote: > > >The leads on an Orange Drop are located along the "axis" of the device, not > >its radius. Case closed. > > If you would open up an Orange Drop, you would find that you are > mistaken. The rolled film/foil is in the form of a pressed cylinder > whose axis points left-right if you hold the capacitor in your hand > with the leads pointing toward your stomach and the lettering facing > your nose. > > Axial leads would have to point left right. > > Radial leads point along a radius of the cylinder, in this case, > toward your belly button. > > It's clear that you think you're right about this, but at some point > you should be starting to wonder why you can't find any confirmation > of your point of view. I think all of us out here would be surprised > if you could find a single example that supports your point of view, > but at least most of us would listen. > > - > ----------------------------------------------- > Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org > Madison, WI 53711 USA > ----------------------------------------------- Article: 324822 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: rare Message-ID: <8DD7f.489$ZA3.126791@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:29:56 GMT Rare 'bargain' couldn't hurt either Article: 324823 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Orange Drops Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:34:41 -0600 Message-ID: References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> >I was hire to do that. this coming from the master of all language? if you're gonna talk the talk, you gotta walk the walk... randy Article: 324824 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Orange Drops Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:36:30 -0600 Message-ID: References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <6PSdnS99489tWsPenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com> "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:6PSdnS99489tWsPenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> The only thing closed here is your mind. > > I find it amazing that the people in this (and other groups) don't have > broken jaws -- because when you suggest something that's even remotely > different from what they think, their knees jerk instantly, and with great > force. now thats funny! and true! randy Article: 324825 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: <4KD7f.490$ZA3.126650@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:37:20 GMT Hp has splck dde "xrongor" wrote in message news:djn10v$6uc9$1@news3.infoave.net... > >I was hire to do that. > > this coming from the master of all language? if you're gonna talk the talk, > you gotta walk the walk... > > randy > > Article: 324826 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <6PSdnS99489tWsPenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: <1LD7f.491$ZA3.126900@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:38:21 GMT Amen, the chicken's growing new feathers, hurry let's eat! "xrongor" wrote in message news:djn14f$6uct$1@news3.infoave.net... > > "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message > news:6PSdnS99489tWsPenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> The only thing closed here is your mind. > > > > I find it amazing that the people in this (and other groups) don't have > > broken jaws -- because when you suggest something that's even remotely > > different from what they think, their knees jerk instantly, and with great > > force. > > now thats funny! and true! > > randy > > Article: 324827 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:24:20 -0700 Message-ID: References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> jakdedert wrote: > > By contrast, when I was in Germany in the 80's, I picked up a set of > Wiha brand screwdrivers at a Bauhaus (sorta like Home Depot) > store...probably cost around $10. The finish was superior to anything > from Klein. They've held up extremely well over almost 20 years, so I > assume that the metal is good, as well. I just looked at one of the > Phillips head drivers and could barely discern any wear on the > tip--despite the fact that they've been my 'daily drivers' since I > bought them. > Wiha=Cadillac of affordable German tools. I love the way my wiha screwdrivers feel in my hand, and how solidly they grab the screws when turned. I bought my set used, and they barely show any wear. Klein tools are alright...Not the best, far from the worst. Anything that can hold up to 10 years of use is decent IMHO. I have a soft spot for the Xcelite tools that I got when I went to tech school in the early 1980s. Every one of them that I haven't lost is still giving good service. I am disturbed by the trend of hand tool manufacturing moving to the pacific rim. It is truly sad that I feel the urge to hoard inexpensive U.S. made tools solely on the pretense that may not be available a few years from now. -Scott Article: 324828 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "MIT" References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <1130260609.015627.99730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1130292849.304925.56340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: <5XD7f.6261$dO2.2414@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:51:13 GMT sounds like someone could have used a cluestick upside the head years ago.in my case it was a storypole and yes it worked.some were not so fortunate and pantload diatribes are the result. mit "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130292849.304925.56340@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... | Oh, good LORD.... | | Your stock-in-trade should be as natural as breathing... you should not | be ABLE to write poorly if that is what you perceive as your primary | skill. That is not to say it is all done on the first draft... not | hardly. But you would not permit crap to escape your fingers if actual | communication was the point. Think for yourself... William, one of the | saddest aspects of the Human Condition is that we seldom learn from the | past. Furthermore, we spend the first two dozen years of our life | simply learning to function. It would seem that you are forcing | yourself to re-learn _everything_. That is a fool's game. | | What one writes should also flow in a way to minimize the potential for | confusion unless that is the actual intent... put another way the | primary effort is in the writing so as to minimize the effort in the | reading. The actual skills are in the writing. Or are you stating that | well-written Manuals need be interpreted with effort in order to be | understood properly? I am using a very large clue-stick, but sometimes | it is necessary. | | Peter Wieck | Wyncote, PA | Article: 324829 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:33:36 -0500 Scott W. Harvey wrote: > jakdedert wrote: > >> >> By contrast, when I was in Germany in the 80's, I picked up a set of >> Wiha brand screwdrivers at a Bauhaus (sorta like Home Depot) >> store...probably cost around $10. The finish was superior to anything >> from Klein. They've held up extremely well over almost 20 years, so I >> assume that the metal is good, as well. I just looked at one of the >> Phillips head drivers and could barely discern any wear on the >> tip--despite the fact that they've been my 'daily drivers' since I >> bought them. >> > > Wiha=Cadillac of affordable German tools. I love the way my wiha > screwdrivers feel in my hand, and how solidly they grab the screws when > turned. I bought my set used, and they barely show any wear. > These are the insulated variety. Every once in a while, I come upon a recessed screw which the jacketed shaft will not fit into, but rarely. > Klein tools are alright...Not the best, far from the worst. Anything > that can hold up to 10 years of use is decent IMHO. > I didn't mean to slag the Kleins...but what they are is 'decent.' The discussion centered on where we Americans still retained (if we ever had it) world pre-eminence in manufacturing. As an example, Klein was IMO not the best choice. The Germans make some really excellent tools. Better yet, for the most part, even their mid quality tools are equal to many premioum U.S. brands. > I have a soft spot for the Xcelite tools that I got when I went to tech > school in the early 1980s. Every one of them that I haven't lost is > still giving good service. > I have a soft spot for Xcelite, myself. One set of Klein drivers I have, has a handle with interchangable bits. When someone 'borrowed' the handle--thus making the entire set useless--I dscovered that an Xcelite handle was a perfect match. Are they connected? > I am disturbed by the trend of hand tool manufacturing moving to the > pacific rim. It is truly sad that I feel the urge to hoard inexpensive > U.S. made tools solely on the pretense that may not be available a few > years from now. > Yeah, I've got a MAC crescent wrench that I've carried on gigs for well over 20 years. It's not a 'great' wrench, but it's become an almost treasured possession. I have a real 'Crescent' adjustable wrench, which is truly a better tool, but I continue to use the old MAC.... Question: What is the best 'multi-tool' on the market? I've owned several Gerber models, and the Shrade multi. I've used the SAG and Leathermen devices (not all the leatherman models, however). The Gerbers are the best in function, IMO; but they don't seem to hold up. jak > -Scott > > > > Article: 324830 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbelly Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: <9t4ul1hjkvajm6c7u540qb2thfu0qema66@4ax.com> References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130252600.772769.325100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <435e63c6$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130266706.618152.134400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:27:46 -0400 On 25 Oct 2005 11:58:26 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >Yikes!! > >One can like something without embracing it. Or are all drinkers >necessarily alcoholics, and all eaters necessarily gluttons? Must you >sleep with every woman you "like"? > >Now, have you _ever_ traveled by choice more than 200 miles from the >place of your birth? Have you ever attempted to communicate in a >different language than the one you somewhat speak as a native? > >Peter Wieck >Wyncote, PA Been to the middle east and going again in early December.....I'm also taking a gun! Article: 324831 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbelly Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 01:29:04 -0400 On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 18:09:44 -0400, "Syl" wrote: >"William Sommerwerck" a écrit dans le message de >news: 0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com... >> > I'll let Sprague make the call, after all they are their capacitors. >> > http://www.sbelectronics.com/productlines.htm >> > Note the heading "Radial Leaded Film Capacitors, Orange Drop". >> >> I'm not responsible for the idiots at Sprague. Remember that most >engineers >> are poorly educated, especially in matters lingual. >> >> Inasmuch as a device's leads can be bent in any direction, what's the >point >> of saying that a device has "axial" or "radial" leads? None. It's where >the >> lead are _located_ that matters. >> >> The leads on an Orange Drop are located along the "axis" of the device, >not >> its radius. Case closed. > > >This has to be the dumbest reply I've read from you so far. > >And you call yourself educated ? No wonder you're out of job. > >Syl > '' No...the dumbest replies always come from folks that leave here like you! Article: 324832 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11lrgeu6144t1da@corp.supernews.com> <1130244016.925688.121830@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130252600.772769.325100@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <435e63c6$0$213$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130266706.618152.134400@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <9t4ul1hjkvajm6c7u540qb2thfu0qema66@4ax.com> Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:26:39 GMT "Beerbelly" wrote in message news:9t4ul1hjkvajm6c7u540qb2thfu0qema66@4ax.com... > On 25 Oct 2005 11:58:26 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: > > >Yikes!! > > > >One can like something without embracing it. Or are all drinkers > >necessarily alcoholics, and all eaters necessarily gluttons? Must you > >sleep with every woman you "like"? > > > >Now, have you _ever_ traveled by choice more than 200 miles from the > >place of your birth? Have you ever attempted to communicate in a > >different language than the one you somewhat speak as a native? > > > >Peter Wieck > >Wyncote, PA > > > > Been to the middle east and going again in early December.....I'm also > taking a gun! Somebody has to collect on all those parking tickets on Nissan carbombs... Article: 324833 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 07:34:48 -0400 Message-ID: <11luqep3uga6ed5@corp.supernews.com> References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> <11ltpd1onkd0r34@corp.supernews.com> Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote: > > >> Next time, buy a $300- Kenmore IMHO. > > > Why? What advantage has a $300 Kenmore (made by Whirlpool) I JUST meant buy something less whiz bang. Unless it's a Toyota washer, I can't believe the accessories make if more reliable. My German cars all have the accessories fail long before the important stuff. Its true a modern car is far far more reliable despite greater complexity. But it is not true as you seem to imply that greater complexity always equals a better long term value. John H. Article: 324834 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:40:55 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <1130324317.612931.133150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <3bf41$435f795b$4232bd09$14147@COQUI.NET> William Sommerwerck wrote: > The only practical distinction I see is whether the component is going to be > mounted on a PC board without having to first bend the leads, or hang > between two connection points. In this sense, "radial" and "axial" provide a > meaningful distinction. Duh, yeah! In these days of manufacturing many things are designed to "fit" and thats an important distinction. -BM Article: 324835 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bob Subject: Need schematic please Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:51:06 -0000 Message-ID: Hi gang, Ok, I admit it......when I see a pretty face I can't resist. I was high bidder on a Telefunken Concertino 101 receiver which does not work. Anyone have a schematic for this critter? Thanks! Bob WB0POQ wb0poq@visi.com Article: 324836 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:02:17 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > > Let's see. If one definition of "radial" is "extending from a central > point", then aren't the leads on the ends of an ordinary resistor "radial" > leads? Hmmm... and > Many years ago I thought about the difference between axial and radial, and > decided, quite reasonably, that the difference lay in where the leads came > out of the device -- axial leads are on opposite ends of the length of the > device (its "axis"), radial leads are on the same surface of the width of > the device, positioned across its radius. Will you make up your mind? and finally > The only practical distinction I see is whether the component is going to be > mounted on a PC board without having to first bend the leads, or hang > between two connection points. In this sense, "radial" and "axial" provide a > meaningful distinction. > > I suspect this was the origin of the terms -- it's easier to say "radial" > than "leads on the same end", and "axial" than "leads on opposite ends". "They" came up with the terms a LONG time prior to printed circuit boards. Go over the following descriptions a few more timees and try to stay on topic to the discussion. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=axial and http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=radial I suppose they're as wrong about this as Sprague was. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 324837 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <435F8E50.A607D295@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <435ED123.2B196464@earthlink.net> <9b2dnR0DUuI2_8LeRVn-2g@comcast.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:09:06 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > > > I hope you write a lot better at work than you do on usenet. > > I get compliments on my writing. > > > On the other hand, with all your arrogance and misconceptions, > > the material you churn out to the printers will still be useless. > > Arrogant? Because I think for myself? Because I'm aware that I _don't_ know > everything? No. You are arrogant because you think that you are the only person on earth who knows ANYTHING. When I see your messages where you brag about how smart you are I can't help but think of the story, "The Emperor's New Clothes". You loudly proclaim your intelligence at every opportunity, yet you continue to post things that prove otherwise. Your writing quality appears to be about the eighth grade level and your attitude towards everyone else here matches that. All in all, you are very arrogant. I am happy for you that you are working for HP. I decided not to buy anything from HP or Compaq because their quality is so low, so that means that I won't have to wade through any more of your "Highly educated writing". As has been pointed out before, you are not the only person here who has done technical writing. BTW: Have you ever heard the term, "Over educated idiot"? -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324838 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <435F8EB3.415BB532@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:10:44 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > > "Think, people, think..." Lex Luthor, "Superman, the Motion Picture" What a guy to look up to, and you two share a lot of the same personality traits. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324839 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <435F92E6.722F3370@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <1130324317.612931.133150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:28:39 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > > Here are my final "thoughts" (I put that in quotes because most of you doubt > my ability to generate useful ideas) on the issue. > > Why do manufacturers make a distinction between "axial" and "radial" leads, > anyway? It doesn't seem to meet any practical need. > > The direction in which the leads are attached to the capacitor's foil is not > a reason (unless you expect the leads to be under stress!). > > The only practical distinction I see is whether the component is going to be > mounted on a PC board without having to first bend the leads, or hang > between two connection points. In this sense, "radial" and "axial" provide a > meaningful distinction. > > I suspect this was the origin of the terms -- it's easier to say "radial" > than "leads on the same end", and "axial" than "leads on opposite ends". > > PS: This posting was sketched out roughly, then heavily reorganized and > re-written to get the effect I want. A pathetic attempt to divert attention from your errors. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324840 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> <11ltpd1onkd0r34@corp.supernews.com> <11luqep3uga6ed5@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:32:05 -0500 Hagstar wrote: > Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote: > But it is not true as you seem to imply that greater > complexity always equals a better long term value. No, never "implied" such - what I *said* was one can buy a quality product with features *which do add value without impacting the product's long term reliability*. You quoted part of the "feature list" of the Maytag - and noted "I see nothing good in the list above." What is "bad" about 620 RPM spin speed - other than it will cut drying time (roughly) in half from the $300 300RPM machine? 620RPM isn't that fast in today's world... the Fisher-Paykel (also a top loader) spins at 1000. And they are so good - you can stand a quarter (on it's edge) on the lid with it spinning (with a load of heavy towels, etc.). I won't waste time explaining how it does it - but it will "balance the load" all by it's self - even to the point of partially re-filling and agitating a bit again... (and there's far more to it than just that). Some of the front loaders are spinning up to 1200 RPM - clothes come out almost dry - often synthetics need only be hung up and will air dry in minutes. Since you "conceded" a $300 washer (which spins) I'll avoid asking you how well your hand-cranked wringer works... as you have (implied) endorsing motorized spinning vs. hand cranking a wringer... so you do - at least - appear to accept some "additional risk" of complexity... After all - the parts to make a washer spin are just more stuff to break... Hmmmm.... Come to think of it - maybe you're right after all - it is, in fact - the spin clutch that failed in my old Whirlpool (after 22 years)... maybe I should have just bought a hand-crank wringer... Look... we all make choices in life which are balances of advantages and disadvantages... I'm comfortable with my choices... what I'm not comfortable with is when products (services, etc.) that I pay for fail to come within *reasonble* execution of their specified performance- and then the supplier shrugs it off... and fails to provide *any* hint of remedy. Or when a product - out of the box - is so obviously defective that there is no way it should have have been shipped in the first place. *THAT'S* the problem here. just my .02. -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 324841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <435F97B5.7C098304@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: FL hurricane kills email & web domain in WA References: <5Kz7f.1772$yX2.158@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:49:10 GMT Brenda Ann wrote: > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:5Kz7f.1772$yX2.158@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > >I live in Southwest Florida. I have my website, my e-mail, and all my > >other faculties including electricity. I was listening to those hurricane > >updates on my Atwater-Kent. > > > > If I'd've been watching TV, I'd be scared . . . > > > > I think that stupidity is a prerequisite to be a television field reporter.. > idiots standing out in 100+ MPH winds waiting to see if they get blown over > (one did), standing in Everglade City as the storm surge (which was supposed > to top 9 feet) started coming up over their feet, etc.. > > Now there's a way to get a scoop... "XYZ Network field reporter Mortimer > Snerd drowns in storm surge after being electrocuted by waterlogged video > equipment!" And they will expect the lowly tech in the news engineering department to repair the damaged equipment the same day. :( -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <435F9887.1C74611E@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: FL hurricane kills email & web domain in WA References: <5Kz7f.1772$yX2.158@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:52:41 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > > I live in Southwest Florida. I have my website, my e-mail, and all my other > faculties including electricity. I was listening to those hurricane updates > on my Atwater-Kent. > > If I'd've been watching TV, I'd be scared . . . > > -- > Gary E. Tayman I'm glad to hear that you are OK. I spent all day Monday making a round trip to the VA hospital and back to see the doctor about my Carpal Tunnel. I left the house a little after 6:00 AM, and got home about 4:00 PM. He's decided not to operate on my wrists because he doesn't think it will help me. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <1130324317.612931.133150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:20:06 -0500 William Sommerwerck wrote: > PS: This posting was sketched out roughly, then heavily reorganized and > re-written to get the effect I want. Maybe, but the message it conveys is erroneous. In geometry the definition of a circle is a set of points on a single plane in space which describe a 360 degree arc equidistant from a single point, the single point thus becoming the center. The distance from the center to any point on the arc is the radius. The geometric object so created is a disc - a two dimensional object having the dimension of it's diameter which was set by the radii. If such a disc is extruded in either direction 90 degrees from the plane it occupies - it becomes a cylinder. The definitions of the geometric faces so created are the ends (or more formally - discs) and the side (or more formally - axis). Electronic component manufacturers describe lead orientation as the direction the leads leave the component. If they leave the end - parallel to the side (axis) - they are axial. If they leave out the side - parallel to the end (discs) - they are radial. Note - if they leave the side - even at or very near the end - they are still radial as the direction (parallel to which face) is what matters. Has nothing to do with the internal construction, or other non-sense. sheeeesh. -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 324844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <5qCdnWtVKuPb-8LeRVn-ug@comcast.com> <435F92AD.9D54FFF7@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:28:39 GMT All this thread has done for me is remind me I am woefully low on canned goods, but I've got to pay other bills with a ferver and my mother has been unemployed for nearly two months. So for now it's back to work making more of my yearly calendar project and repairing stereo and video gear to raffle a system, and setting up my gear now that the electrician came and checked the circuits, replaced a very loose outlet and a dimmer in the bedroom and I'm good to go. At LEAST they aren't BIPOLAR? Well, if they are, that sure as hell explain it ;-P Article: 324845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: Subject: Re: Need schematic please Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:38:01 GMT I do not have a schematic but, Try www.radiomuseum.org to ask for a schematic. It may cost you to sign up with the organization but I have found the support and documentation the guys send you quite worth it. Especially the for the European radios. Good luck. Paul. "Bob" wrote in message news:Xns96FB4FDF18EE2wb0poqvisicom@216.168.3.73... > Hi gang, > Ok, I admit it......when I see a pretty face I can't resist. I was > high bidder on a Telefunken Concertino 101 receiver which does not > work. Anyone have a schematic for this critter? > Thanks! > > Bob WB0POQ > wb0poq@visi.com Article: 324846 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <11ltrdorkonkg90@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Marks web site. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:46:52 GMT Mark, If you pick up this business perhaps you would could expand this web site with your inventory ;~) BTW - For all the ribbing I may send your way I truly anticipate it (your web site) being published and wish you the best of luck with it. How is it coming along? I think a web site listing your products, services and pricing would be a good thing. Paul. "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:Iv-dnUMAP5I5ZsPeRVn-tQ@comcast.com... > You can order the correct plastics from on line plastic shops. One is > "Ain > Plastics" : > http://www.ainplastics.com/public/division/project/html/home.html > > we have an AIN store in the Detroit area. Any metro area with some > industry > will have a plastics store somewhere. Look them up on line in the > Business > Yellow pages under "Plastics" Ains sells many kinds of plastics including > casting products. "Alumilite" is another casting plastic, find them > online > too. > > Seems to me the sheet plastic I bought several years ago was 18mils. You > want melt point to be above 200 degrees, but under 400. Take your old > part > in with you if you go. Its sold by the foot, on about 24" or 36" wide > roll. > I think Lexan was what I got, not sure. It works great when I make dial > covers. > > Mark Oppat > > > > "Hagstar" wrote in message > news:11ltrdorkonkg90@corp.supernews.com... >> Uncle Peter wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > Wow. This is sad news. With Bill Turner still recovering, who's left >> > out >> > there providing these services? >> >> There hasn't been anyone for months, Peter. I've resorted to making my >> own. None of the hobby stores here have acetate sheet, none remember >> ever having it. I use blister pack stock instead, actually a "stepping >> stone mold" from the craft store cut up, which is made from a heavier >> version of such blister-pack plastic. >> >> John H. >> >> > > > Article: 324847 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <1130324317.612931.133150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:48:41 GMT This is really all a dissertation on which way the S+++ stinks. It derailed most of the good conversations about cabinets and chassis (that and a stupid washing machine) and derailed (emphasis on rail) into slamming William Sommerwerck (the new patsie, I would guess). I am sorry the doctor has nixed trying to repair your carpal tunnel problems, Michael. My father had his operated on and got five more years at his auto repair trade. Randy et al, I don't really care what the definitions of radial or axial are as long as it's a good part as I hook it up right. The plumbing in broken, therefore the pissing contest is called off. Let's delve into something more useful for a while, no? Radio Abby Article: 324848 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <1130324317.612931.133150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: <3CN7f.514$ZA3.133886@monger.newsread.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:51:27 GMT PS I just woke up (I wake up very hard these daze) and you expect me to type...gee whiz ;-P "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message news:tzN7f.513$ZA3.133907@monger.newsread.com... > This is really all a dissertation on which way the S+++ stinks. It derailed > most of the good conversations about cabinets and chassis (that and a stupid > washing machine) and derailed (emphasis on rail) into slamming William > Sommerwerck (the new patsie, I would guess). > > I am sorry the doctor has nixed trying to repair your carpal tunnel > problems, Michael. My father had his operated on and got five more years at > his auto repair trade. Randy et al, I don't really care what the definitions > of radial or axial are as long as it's a good part as I hook it up right. > The plumbing in broken, therefore the pissing contest is called off. Let's > delve into something more useful for a while, no? > > Radio Abby > > Article: 324849 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: Need schematic please Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:56:22 GMT That was a excellent recommendation, Paul. I'm glad they worked well for you. "Paul P" wrote in message news:tpN7f.504768$5N3.382296@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I do not have a schematic but, > > Try www.radiomuseum.org to ask for a schematic. It may cost you to sign up > with the organization but I have found the support and documentation the > guys send you quite worth it. Especially the for the European radios. > > Good luck. > > Paul. > > > "Bob" wrote in message > news:Xns96FB4FDF18EE2wb0poqvisicom@216.168.3.73... > > Hi gang, > > Ok, I admit it......when I see a pretty face I can't resist. I was > > high bidder on a Telefunken Concertino 101 receiver which does not > > work. Anyone have a schematic for this critter? > > Thanks! > > > > Bob WB0POQ > > wb0poq@visi.com > > Article: 324850 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" Subject: Putting a book on-line questions to the group. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:14:05 GMT I have a book that I would like to scan and put on line. It is a book for the beginner that explains radio with practical easy to build, experiments and leaning exercises. It would be fantastic for the person who wants to learn about what they may be doing when they restore a radio and bring it back to life. The book is "Understanding Radio. A Guide to Practical Operation and Theory" by Herbert M Watson, Herbert E Welch and George S Eby. McGraw-Hill Second Edition. If your know little about electronics (high school vo-tech class or equiv) and non about radio theory this is your book. As an engineer I like reading this book. I puts many theories to images in my head that stick with me and help make tube radio a living breathing thing. Could someone speak to the legalities of copying materials and putting them on the web site here in America. Article: 324851 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: rare Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:25:16 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In Blacksmith writes: >I'm amazed at how many state: "This radio would look great in your >collection." Like the person looking at the picture never thought of >that. Or that the author has any idea what one's collection looks like! -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 324852 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Putting a book on-line questions to the group. References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:30:18 -0500 Paul P wrote: > I have a book that I would like to scan and put on line. It is a book for > the beginner that explains radio with practical easy to build, experiments > and leaning exercises. It would be fantastic for the person who wants to > learn about what they may be doing when they restore a radio and bring it > back to life. > > The book is "Understanding Radio. A Guide to Practical Operation and > Theory" by Herbert M Watson, Herbert E Welch and George S Eby. McGraw-Hill > Second Edition. If that's the book I think it is - being printed in 1951 - McGraw-Hill probably has the copyrights. Without their permission posting the book online could land you in serious hot water. On the other hand - If they don't have a bunch in a warehouse and don't intend to reprint... they might grant you permission to post the thing... might be worth an ask... good luck! (sounds like a worthy project if it can be done without problems)... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 324853 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:34:12 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In jakdedert writes: >One set of Klein drivers I have, has a handle with interchangable bits. > When someone 'borrowed' the handle--thus making the entire set >useless--I dscovered that an Xcelite handle was a perfect match. Are >they connected? Xcelite's owned by Cooper, who own quite a few brands, including Crescent, Lufkin, Wiss, and Weller. Their page doesn't mention Klein, but, who knows? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 324854 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Orange Drops Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:26:20 -0600 Message-ID: References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <1130324317.612931.133150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <435F9236.E4607785@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:435F9236.E4607785@earthlink.net... > William Sommerwerck wrote: >> >> > I think we may all agree that you spent large amounts >> > of time being educated. Where the differences in opinion >> > lie is in how much of that actually took. >> >> Your opinion in the matter is of no interest to me. You strike me as >> someone >> who's read too much and thought too little. >> >> "Education" consists more in learning how to think than in what to think. > > > Which does no good at all if you don't understand the principles and > can see the "Big picture". In most cases, "Education" is being able to > afford to sit through years of classes while others work in the real > world and learn how things really work. > > The very fact that you claim to be an EE, yet you can't find work in > that field speaks volumes about you and your character. > > An "Education" gives you very expensive wallpaper, and little more. > Knowing HOW to do the job earns you respect. Lots of people get their > engineering degree, but will never be able to pass the tests to become a > "Professional Engineer". The others write for audio magazines while > bragging how "educated" they are, or flip burgers after bouncing from > job to job for years. I've seen a lot of degreed Electrical Engineers > that don't know the proper use of Op Amps in very common circuits, yet > they continually reminded me that THEY had a degree and I didn't. My > designs worked properly, while theirs didn't. > > I pointed out design errors to the founder of a company I worked for, > in a circuit he had designed 25 years earlier. It used the infamous > MC1496/MC1596 in a critical video combiner application. At first, he > had your arrogant attitude but he went over my data and agreed it had > been wrong through three generations of their equipment. No one else > had the guts to confront him about his error. > > I pity you, William. as i keep reading this thread, i'm getting this strange visual of someone trying to pat themselves on the back while someone else is trying to kick them in the nuts.... randy Article: 324855 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "effi" Subject: Re: rare Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:37:45 -0500 Message-ID: <11lvfn8tg7udb8d@corp.supernews.com> References: "Haggis telus.net>" wrote in message news:D7s7f.53221$S4.31574@edtnps84... > (rest snipped) Does anyone > really search by 'rare' or 'vintage' or 'antique'? rarely Article: 324856 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11lvfn8tg7udb8d@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: rare Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:03:56 GMT "effi" wrote in message news:11lvfn8tg7udb8d@corp.supernews.com... > "Haggis telus.net>" wrote in message > news:D7s7f.53221$S4.31574@edtnps84... > > (rest snipped) Does anyone > > really search by 'rare' or 'vintage' or 'antique'? > > rarely I suppose it works for VCRs, anything from the 1980s sold by anybody BORN in the 80s, and of COURSE EIGHT TRACKS??? HA AH HA HA HA : ) My socks are vintage now, I much get new ones.. Article: 324857 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:49:50 GMT jakdedert wrote: > Question: What is the best 'multi-tool' on the market? I've owned > several Gerber models, and the Shrade multi. I've used the SAG and > Leathermen devices (not all the leatherman models, however). The > Gerbers are the best in function, IMO; but they don't seem to hold up. > > jak I have this one that I keep with me in the service truck. http://www.knife-depot.com/knife-24073.html It's a Kershaw, needle nose pliers with a locking mechanism similar to the ViseGrip(tm) style pliers. The locking action allows me to do things with two hands that would ordinarily require three. But what I especially like about this tool is the rigidity of it. Unlike, even the original Leatherman(tm) tool, and most definitely the cheap knockoffs, this doesn't have any slop in the mechanism when you're trying to use any of the multi-function tools included with it. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 324858 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130331501.022540.271750@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1130355620.547668.120870@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:52:20 GMT Supercharged Wankel "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1130355620.547668.120870@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >Sure, I have to put in a new spark plug every few years and occasionally clean out the carb > > Ha! Izzat the 2-cycle or the one with the 330 V8 and the oscillating > greasable tapered spindle bearings? :-D > > Tox > Article: 324859 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:57:11 GMT "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:idQ7f.2712$Hs.209@tornado.socal.rr.com... > jakdedert wrote: > > Question: What is the best 'multi-tool' on the market? I've owned > > several Gerber models, and the Shrade multi. I've used the SAG and > > Leathermen devices (not all the leatherman models, however). The > > Gerbers are the best in function, IMO; but they don't seem to hold up. > > > > jak > > I have this one that I keep with me in the service truck. > http://www.knife-depot.com/knife-24073.html > > It's a Kershaw, needle nose pliers with a locking mechanism > similar to the ViseGrip(tm) style pliers. > > The locking action allows me to do things with two hands > that would ordinarily require three. > > But what I especially like about this tool is the rigidity > of it. Unlike, even the original Leatherman(tm) tool, and > most definitely the cheap knockoffs, this doesn't have any > slop in the mechanism when you're trying to use any of the > multi-function tools included with it. > > Jeff Wicked, nice price too. Good question is, "How long have you had it?" to reference it's durability? > > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 324860 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <1130324317.612931.133150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:10:24 -0400 "Randy or Sherry Guttery" a écrit dans le message de news: E6N7f.13075$ty1.2977@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > In geometry the definition of a circle... I refrain from going there as I realized William doesn't know what "axis" means... William, after reading your last replies, only one word comes to mind ; prig. Syl Article: 324861 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <1130324317.612931.133150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:34:10 GMT "Syl" wrote in message news:QgS7f.39704$bh4.1786104@weber.videotron.net... > "Randy or Sherry Guttery" a écrit dans le message > de news: E6N7f.13075$ty1.2977@bignews1.bellsouth.net... > > > In geometry the definition of a circle... > > I refrain from going there as I realized William doesn't know what "axis" > means... > > William, after reading your last replies, only one word comes to mind ; > prig. > > Syl Sacre bleu. Mon dieu. Article: 324862 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <11ltrdorkonkg90@corp.supernews.com> <1130345458.209082.246460@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130355290.301515.103750@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130359849.044722.198670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Marks web site. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:18:00 -0400 "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1130359849.044722.198670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > i really don't understand whay anyone would "buy" a dialcover making > business. you could start your own for a few bucks. The worth is in the vacuum presses that Rita handmade. I saw pictures of her equipment, and it was very professional. Also, consider what the molds are worth in time invested--having a few hundred labeled and organized molds sure beats starting off from scratch. Pete Article: 324863 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: Subject: Re: Need schematic please Message-ID: <3qT7f.33157$Pe2.616498@twister2.libero.it> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:28:15 GMT Bob wrote: > Hi gang, > Ok, I admit it......when I see a pretty face I can't resist. I was > high bidder on a Telefunken Concertino 101 receiver which does not > work. Anyone have a schematic for this critter? > Thanks! > > Bob WB0POQ > wb0poq@visi.com IIRC it's the transistor set, about '68-69. Radiomuseum shows no schematics for this set, try asking Ernst directly. -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 324864 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:39:22 -0600 Message-ID: <3929-4360059A-11@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <4j0ul1tm1kuudqersbc3iusuvrbovhb9p7@4ax.com> I see no asking price anywhere in the for sale post Article: 324865 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Marks web site. References: <11ltrdorkonkg90@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:58:31 -0500 Mark Oppat wrote: > thanks, Paul. > I looked at this dial cover biz, and it might be a little more than I can > handle right now, plus, really it doesnt make any money, just like the dial > biz I have. You end up paying yourself about minimum wage, if that, for the > time spent. Plus, material costs, plus, the money you spend buying the > biz. Sure, you could whip up a dial cover in a few minutes, but its the > processing the order that gets you. I would say at least 45 mins per order, > including emails, and almost all the orders are for one part only. Most > dial covers sell for $15. You could bunch them up maybe and do it once or > twice a week. However, the amount of communication per order is what gets > you time wise, no matter what. Its a great biz for a retired person. > > the website is moving along, very slowly. I have a test version now, but > will not show it until its done. Thanks for asking... > I have a big apartment renovation and an exterior of one of my old homes > going on now, plus, two birthday events (one is mine...49 on > Thursday..egads). > Know what you mean...I turned 49...again, just this month...fifth time now... > Mark Oppat > Article: 324866 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: Swap Meet SATURDAY Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:08:10 GMT Don't forget, the CC-AWA Fall Swap Meet is THIS SATURDAY ! ! ! At City Lake Park in Jamestown/Greensboro, NC. I think the gates open at 7AM. Everyone will be packed up and gone before 12noon. Don't be late or you'll miss all the goodies. You can find driving directions and all the details on our Fall Swap Meet web page at; http://cc_awa.homestead.com/Fall.html Hopefully most, if not all of our Board of Director nominees will be there so you can meet them. See ya there, Ron Article: 324867 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <11ltrdorkonkg90@corp.supernews.com> <1130345458.209082.246460@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130355290.301515.103750@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130359849.044722.198670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1130369760.681900.150610@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Marks web site. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:43:48 -0400 "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1130369760.681900.150610@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > it would take YEARS to get payback on your investment. much less make a > profit. > That would depend on what he's asking... But, making dials covers isn't my forte regardless... Pete Article: 324868 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43602DE8.865BE37C@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <1130324317.612931.133150@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <435F9236.E4607785@earthlink.net> <7vGdnX29DcJPlv3eRVn-sg@comcast.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:30:02 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > > >> "Education" consists more in learning how to think than in what to think. > > > Which does no good at all if you don't understand the principles and > > can see the "Big picture". In most cases, "Education" is being able to > > afford to sit through years of classes while others work in the real > > world and learn how things really work. > > Ah. The anti-elitest snobbishness of someone without a college education. Sigh. You just can't help but try to twist things, can you? Your arrogance is only matched by your poor comprehension. A degree is no guarantee you can EVER do the job, it merely means that you made it through the required courses. > > The very fact that you claim to be an EE, yet you can't find work in > > that field speaks volumes about you and your character. > > I haven't looked for an EE job in over 25 years. I'm no longer interested in > being an EE. And if it were an issue of "character", then I presumably > wouldn't be able to find a job at all. > > > An "Education" gives you very expensive wallpaper, and little more. > > Knowing HOW to do the job earns you respect. Lots of people get their > > engineering degree, but will never be able to pass the tests to become a > > "Professional Engineer". The others write for audio magazines while > > bragging how "educated" they are, or flip burgers after bouncing from > > job to job for years. I've seen a lot of degreed Electrical Engineers > > that don't know the proper use of Op Amps in very common circuits, yet > > they continually reminded me that THEY had a degree and I didn't. > > My designs worked properly, while theirs didn't. > > Interesting that you mention op amps. > > About a year ago, I spoke with Martin Giles at National Semiconductor. > NatSemi's "professional" documentation, like that of most companies, is > awful, and their on-line courses are even worse. One that I sat through, on > op-amp design, was absolutely horrible. It was missing the single > most-important thing -- the sine qua non -- anyone trying to understand how > op-amp circuits work, and how to design them, needs to know. I asked Mr. > Giles -- who I assume has a college degree -- what that thing was. And > without hesitation, he told me. He knew. > > So... I'm Hemo and you're Dr. Science. I'll ask you the equivalent of Hemo's > question of what two words show that Dr. Science understands the true nature > and "meaning" of blood. Tell me... What is the basic idea, principle, > whatever, that you need to know to begin to understand op-amp circuitry? The basic principle is that an Operational Amplifier is CONSIDERED to be a "perfect amplifier". The "Engineer" decides how he wants to limit the gain, set any DC offset, limit the bandwidth, etc. In the real world we know that there is no "perfect amplifier" so the design has to reflect each type of op amp's limitations. The mistake I was referring to has to do with the way the inputs are often misapplied. If you know as much as you are implying, you will tell me the answer. This mistake causes a number of other problems when an op amp is used in a critical application. I wasn't aware of it, till a friend of mine who is a degreed EE pointed it out to me while he was updating a lot of old designs. His specialty is instrumentation circuits, and he was damn good at it when we worked together. The other engineers complained that he occasionally "Wasted" a few parts, but his designs were stable and didn't have problems from on production run to the next. > I'm great believer in formal education. If a person is willing to get their > hands dirty, and learn, as you say, how the real world works, their > theoretical knowledge makes them better at applying their practical > experience than anyone whose education is limited to the latter will ever > be. I have absolutely nothing against formal education, William. In fact, I was ready to go to college myself when I was drafted. So, I was studying engineering texts in my spare time while I served my country. The only advantage a college course would have given me was structured lab work, but I designed and built a lot of things. I don't claim to be an engineer, just a very good tech. My design ideas are in space. Are any of yours? I have worked with some great engineers. Some had degrees, and some who didn't. The engineering manager decided to replace their non degreed engineers with degreed engineers. The replacements couldn't begin to do the job, even if they looked fantastic on paper. When one of their designs didn't work, it was everyone else's fault. The PC board company didn't use the right materials. The semiconductor fabs must have changed a spec without letting them know. Production didn't follow their poorly written instructions. What usually turned up was that they were using parts outside of their specifications, and if you didn't do 100% pre testing of the components, their designs were pure crap. > I could tell you a story about my experiences at Bendix Field Engineering, > when I resolved a serious problem that no one else could resolve because > they all believed that devices worked as theory said they "should". But > that's for another time. We all have our war stories. How about when you have 48 hours to design and build a critical piece of equipment to keep a big customer happy, or to keep the FCC from dropping big fines on a station because you don't meet the new rules. If you do, whatever equipment you are using is grandfathered. If you don't, you have a choice of two products that cost $20,000 and require leased telephone lines between sites. My design cost $45, was built in three hours, installed and tested in another four hours which included driving close to 150 miles. I worked the first try, and is still in use 18 years later. > > I pointed out design errors to the founder of a company I worked for, > > in a circuit he had designed 25 years earlier. It used the infamous > > MC1496/MC1596 in a critical video combiner application. At first, he > > had your arrogant attitude... > > Not me. I'm always grateful for criticism. > > > ...but he went over my data and agreed it had been wrong through > > three generations of their equipment. No one else had the guts > > to confront him about his error. > > Well, if the guy is so stupid that he doesn't make it clear he welcomes > criticism... > > > I pity you, William. > > For what, pray tell? I really want to know. Your obvious lack of comprehension. It pops up quite often. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324869 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43602EA8.D5516ECD@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <435ED123.2B196464@earthlink.net> <9b2dnR0DUuI2_8LeRVn-2g@comcast.com> <435F8E50.A607D295@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:33:14 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > > If you'd actually read my posts, you'd know that I work on documentation for > the Microsoft Windows Helpdesk, which HP supports. If I were writing HP's > end-user documentation, you wouldn't be complaining about it. Once again, your lack of comprehension. Of course I wouldn't be complaining, since I won't buy their over priced junk. It has nothing to do with documents that I will never see. No matter how you twist things, that is how things are. As far as the "Microsoft Help Desk", isn't that an oxymoron? -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324870 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:43:19 -0500 Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > jakdedert wrote: > >> Question: What is the best 'multi-tool' on the market? I've owned >> several Gerber models, and the Shrade multi. I've used the SAG and >> Leathermen devices (not all the leatherman models, however). The >> Gerbers are the best in function, IMO; but they don't seem to hold up. >> >> jak > > > I have this one that I keep with me in the service truck. > http://www.knife-depot.com/knife-24073.html > > It's a Kershaw, needle nose pliers with a locking mechanism > similar to the ViseGrip(tm) style pliers. > > The locking action allows me to do things with two hands > that would ordinarily require three. > > But what I especially like about this tool is the rigidity > of it. Unlike, even the original Leatherman(tm) tool, and > most definitely the cheap knockoffs, this doesn't have any > slop in the mechanism when you're trying to use any of the > multi-function tools included with it. > That's indeed interesting. How does it deploy? The thing I like best about the Gerber (I have both the 400 & 600 on that page), is that with one hand I can pull it from the sheath and deploy the pliers. With a little luck, I can usually extend the knife blade, one handed, as well. That's something I could never do with any of the others I've tried. OTOH, no multi-tool is a sub for the real thing...it's obviously the utility of having so many tools at hand which is the attraction. That said, when the the tool fails, as did the pliers on my 400 (broke right at the jaw), and a couple of the bits (big screwdriver and file) on my 600; it puts a dent in the utility. > Jeff > > Article: 324871 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: Swap Meet SATURDAY Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:38:15 GMT That would be a lot of fun IMO...it's rainy and in the low 60s here. "Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:u%T7f.19337$OM.1469679@twister.southeast.rr.com... > Don't forget, the CC-AWA Fall Swap Meet is THIS SATURDAY ! ! ! > At City Lake Park in Jamestown/Greensboro, NC. > I think the gates open at 7AM. > Everyone will be packed up and gone before 12noon. > Don't be late or you'll miss all the goodies. > > You can find driving directions and all the details > on our Fall Swap Meet web page at; > http://cc_awa.homestead.com/Fall.html > > Hopefully most, if not all of our Board of Director > nominees will be there so you can meet them. > > See ya there, > > Ron Article: 324872 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <4j0ul1tm1kuudqersbc3iusuvrbovhb9p7@4ax.com> <3929-4360059A-11@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 01:39:51 GMT "Ken G." wrote in message news:3929-4360059A-11@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net... > I see no asking price anywhere in the for sale post Offer something then...only fair Article: 324873 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ltrdorkonkg90@corp.supernews.com> <1130345458.209082.246460@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130355290.301515.103750@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130359849.044722.198670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1130369760.681900.150610@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Marks web site. Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:14:48 GMT I still want one for the Telechron 3H77 I wish to give my folks this February. " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:GwU7f.28567$fE5.3921@fed1read06... > > "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message > news:1130369760.681900.150610@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > it would take YEARS to get payback on your investment. much less make a > > profit. > > > > That would depend on what he's asking... But, making dials covers isn't > my forte regardless... > > Pete > > Article: 324874 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Stewart" References: Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:35:22 GMT I have read the responses regarding my dial cover business for sale posting. Just to clear up some misunderstandings: 1) The plastic used in making dial cover reproductions costs about $8-10 per 4X8 foot sheet. The cost of plastic is not a major concern in making dial covers. 2) Itemizing the dial cover molds and indexing them to radio models takes away much of the communication required between seller and buyer. Most transactions take only one email "handshake". I have never had to call long distance to a customer. 3) After selling several hundred reproduction dial covers, I have had only one customer that was not pleased with the results. 4) Having a stock of existing dial cover molds that fits most popular models is certainly a plus. 5) Drape molding dial covers in an oven over a simple square shaped piece of wood may make a dial cover that is visually acceptable at a distance. The dial cover molds in this business fit a variety of shapes, squares, circles, boomerangs, waterfalls, etc., are free of bubbles and defects when properly made, and look good close up. It may be hard to explain, but the dial cover molds used in this business are made to reproroduce the original dial cover in three dimensions. The front surface of the dial cover is made to fit the original contours of the dial cover, it is not flat like using a unfinished piece of wood. Best Regards, Mike Stewart "Mike Stewart" wrote in message news:XNB7f.28772$GQ.21153@tornado.texas.rr.com... >I am interested in selling the business www.dialcoversandmore.com. > This business has produced high quality dial cover reproductions for > about 10 years, originally owned by "RadioRita" for about 5 years, > and by myself for another 5 years. > > This could be a good opportunity for a mechanically inclined person > seeking a small, home based, internet business. You could also merge > this with an existing business to form a larger enterprise. > > There is a monetary investment involved, and the business will not > instantly pay that back. It may take a year or more to return your > investment. > > The business includes everything required to produce high quality dial > covers: > The rights to the www.dialcoversandmore.com web site, the web hosting site > and all the information contained. > Large custom made molding machine with primary and secondary vacuum > source. > Over 200 dial cover molds that are guaranteed to fit over 400 different > radio models. > *** This indicates that there have been over 400 orders for dial covers > with > unique model numbers that have been completed and the customer was > pleased > with the results. The existing dial cover mold inventory will fit many > more > model numbers. Only guaranteed to fit dial covers have been listed on > the web site. > *** The dial cover molds each took an average of 3-5 hours of skilled > labor to > produce, and are made to tight dimensional tolerances. > The cross-reference list between dial cover molds and radio model numbers. > Over 50 radio knob molds made of RTV silicone rubber. > All items, drill press, sander, small tools, boxes, etc required to make > the business operate. > One-on-one instruction on the creation of dial cover molds and dial > covers. > The items for the business are located in Austin, TX USA > > If interested, contact me at info@dialcoversandmore.com and include > "business" in the subject line. > > All inquiries will be held in strict confidence and will not be posted on > the Internet. > All interested parties must agree that any further communication will be > held in strict confidence > and will not be posted on the Internet. > > > Best Regards, > Mike Stewart > Article: 324875 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: Orange Drops Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:16:57 -0500 Message-ID: References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <5qCdnWtVKuPb-8LeRVn-ug@comcast.com> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 04:19:57 -0700 "William Sommerwerck" wrote: >> It's clear that you think you're right about this, but at some point >> you should be starting to wonder why you can't find any confirmation >> of your point of view. I think all of us out here would be surprised >> if you could find a single example that supports your point of view, >> but at least most of us would listen. > >Many years ago I thought about the difference between axial and radial, and >decided, quite reasonably, that the difference lay in where the leads came >out of the device -- axial leads are on opposite ends of the length of the >device (its "axis"), radial leads are on the same surface of the width of >the device, positioned across its radius. That did, and still seems, a very >reasonable distinction. QED. Did it ever occur to you to wonder why that did not turn out to correlate with the usage in the manufacturer's data sheets? Certainly there are always different ways to look at anything, but when you come into the game after it has already begun, then you have to figure out what the rules are, not what you think they should have been. I agree that your definition makes a certain amount of sense. To my mind it's NOT the most logical definition, but I can see how someone might come up with it. At some point, however, you need to look around and check to see if the structure you've posited agrees with the world around you. Yours doesn't, so to most people this would suggest rethinking your premises. It's sort of like the scientific method: Think about the problem, come up with a hypothesis, compare with the real world, reiterate until you have agreement, QED. OTOH, your argument seems to consist of: Here's my premise, here's my hypothesis, QED. The only thing wrong with this is that you've omitted a couple of important steps. In my opinion, the problem is that your premise was wrong. Your premise is that the label must depend on what portion of the body of the part the lead is attached. It turns out that whoever started this nomenclature at some unknown time in the past did NOT use that as his criterian. If you'd been given this job 70 years ago you might have been able to convince people that yours was the right way to go, but you weren't, and I wasn't. None of us here had anything to do with it. We just have to live with this convention as it is, not how you, or anyone else thinks it should be. And, just to thicken the soup a bit more, I've been trying to think of a part that would qualify as having radial leads under your definition. The only ones that i've been able to come up with so far are acorn tubes. Can you name some others? - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- Article: 324876 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: Subject: Re: Putting a book on-line questions to the group. Message-ID: <1nX7f.507931$5N3.116133@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:58:05 GMT Yep it is 1951 I found it in a second hand book ware house for 2 bucks. "Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message news:s8O7f.13376$x6.13016@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > Paul P wrote: > >> I have a book that I would like to scan and put on line. It is a book >> for the beginner that explains radio with practical easy to build, >> experiments and leaning exercises. It would be fantastic for the person >> who wants to learn about what they may be doing when they restore a radio >> and bring it back to life. >> >> The book is "Understanding Radio. A Guide to Practical Operation and >> Theory" by Herbert M Watson, Herbert E Welch and George S Eby. >> McGraw-Hill Second Edition. > > If that's the book I think it is - being printed in 1951 - McGraw-Hill > probably has the copyrights. Without their permission posting the book > online could land you in serious hot water. > > On the other hand - If they don't have a bunch in a warehouse and don't > intend to reprint... they might grant you permission to post the thing... > might be worth an ask... > > good luck! (sounds like a worthy project if it can be done without > problems)... > -- > randy guttery > > A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews > so vital to the United States Silent Service: > http://tendertale.com Article: 324877 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <11ltrdorkonkg90@corp.supernews.com> <1130345458.209082.246460@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130355290.301515.103750@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130359849.044722.198670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Marks web site. Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:19:36 -0400 "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1130359849.044722.198670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > ....when > you finally get a customer base, someone else will get the bug and make > them for less than you and steal your business....or you get old. your > health gets bad and you have to quit. Hey, Eddie, that sounds like the third chorus of a C&W song I heard: "I Don't Know Whether To Shoot Myself Or Go Bowling". Personally, I prefer the scuba diver's motto: "Life's a Beach and then you Dive" regards, Frank Article: 324878 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wire recorders Message-ID: <_LX7f.508070$5N3.200352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:24:42 GMT > > http://daskeyboard.com/ > This reminds me of the marketing tactic where they take a fault and market it as a feature. Looks to me as though they forgot to send it through or power up the laser key imager. Sheesh, PP Article: 324879 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4360569A.10F96CAA@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Apparently Hell is still loose, but it hasn't "broken" References: <1129899638.822325.88840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <%gb6f.448818$x96.150669@attbi_s72> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:23:41 GMT "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote: > > In FL THey finally I think two years ago got a law passed that U had > to either go into the license bureau and have an eye exam or else send > in results of your eye exam from your eye doctor to get your license > there renewed..... no other test... U don't even have to go in to > do it.. just send money.... The county tax office refused to renew my driver's license because of my cane. I was on my feet for over two hours waiting in line, then they wanted me to walk about 100 feet without it to prove I didn't really need it. I went to the state office like they told me to. I was in line about a half hour, where I was asked if I had any medical conditions, other than walking with a cane. I went down the list, then they asked if my vehicle was an automatic. It is, so I got my license. > Indiana at I think its age 70 or 75 U have to actually take a driving > test every two years.. I mean take the license examiner out for a ride > in your car... In Florida they make you take the test on a closed course. They claim it is due to liability insurance costs. The last time I had to take that test was 1988. The woman giving the test told me that I had failed, because I didn't look both directions while doing a three point turn. I was on a dead end street with a fence across the end, and a heavy stand of trees on the other side of the fence. I made the turn at the end of that street so there was no way a vehicle could be coming through the trees and through the fence without being heard. I pointed this out to her, but she insisted that I had failed. I told her my next stop was to talk to her boss, and then to the TV station where I worked where I would make sure it was mentioned on the news. I promised her that I would make sure they got her name right. She changed her mind. ;-) -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324880 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" Subject: ADD THIS TO YOUR COLLECTION! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:04:35 GMT Add this to your collection! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TELEFUNKEN-SE662-DANISH-LIFEBOAT-HF-RADIO-TXCVR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ31275QQitemZ4585411614QQrdZ1 Article: 324881 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:10:45 GMT "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:vcY7f.2450$Jo3.2447@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > A million monkeys with a million typewriters wrote: > > > Wicked, nice price too. Good question is, "How long have you had it?" to > > reference it's durability? > > About 10 years now. > > Jeff Worth it. Good buy. Article: 324882 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1nX7f.507931$5N3.116133@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Putting a book on-line questions to the group. Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:14:26 GMT "Paul P" wrote in message news:1nX7f.507931$5N3.116133@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Yep it is 1951 > > I found it in a second hand book ware house for 2 bucks. Is the McGraw-Hill company still publishing? If not, maybe the rights holder doesn't have a major interest in reprinting and would welcome a sanctioned web publishing effort for it, or other titles...it could be expensive to put a 1951 radio book back on paper by their reasoning? > "Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message > news:s8O7f.13376$x6.13016@bignews6.bellsouth.net... > > Paul P wrote: > > > >> I have a book that I would like to scan and put on line. It is a book > >> for the beginner that explains radio with practical easy to build, > >> experiments and leaning exercises. It would be fantastic for the person > >> who wants to learn about what they may be doing when they restore a radio > >> and bring it back to life. > >> > >> The book is "Understanding Radio. A Guide to Practical Operation and > >> Theory" by Herbert M Watson, Herbert E Welch and George S Eby. > >> McGraw-Hill Second Edition. > > > > If that's the book I think it is - being printed in 1951 - McGraw-Hill > > probably has the copyrights. Without their permission posting the book > > online could land you in serious hot water. > > > > On the other hand - If they don't have a bunch in a warehouse and don't > > intend to reprint... they might grant you permission to post the thing... > > might be worth an ask... > > > > good luck! (sounds like a worthy project if it can be done without > > problems)... > > -- > > randy guttery > > > > A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews > > so vital to the United States Silent Service: > > http://tendertale.com > > Article: 324883 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: ADD THIS TO YOUR COLLECTION! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 05:19:53 GMT That's mighty interesting! One might mention to the seller that the shipping is quoted at $15 at top and $10 on the bottom, though. "Omer Suleimanagich" wrote in message news:DdZ7f.1759$AS6.1250@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net... > Add this to your collection! > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TELEFUNKEN-SE662-DANISH-LIFEBOAT-HF-RADIO-TXCVR_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ31275QQitemZ4585411614QQrdZ1 > > Article: 324884 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Wayne Tiffany" Subject: Re: Wards Airline Radio Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:39:30 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1130270545.312615.4280@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <2d8bb$435e9be0$4232bd3b$19715@COQUI.NET> <1130349231.654239.81320@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <14KdnegPBe_-z_3enZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Thanks for the info - it's nice to really have it identified. As part of a restoration, I would like to replace the mostly missing label on the inside. Is a copy of it available somewhere? WT "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:14KdnegPBe_-z_3enZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Wayne, that set is a 1936 Airline model, made by Wells-Gardner for > Wards. > I like WG sets very much... nicely made, great performance. > A console like that sells $75-$125 usually around the midwest. Easy set > to > repair, too. I charge about $175 to recap such a thing, and replace any > bad tubes, clean the controls, do an alignment, etc, etc. > You should consider having the set restored and keep it. You will find > its > a great AM radio, and the shortwave is pretty good too. If you have > never > done it, SW is fun to tool around the dial listening to this half of the > world. > > Mark Oppat > ANtique Audio > > > "WT" wrote in message > news:1130349231.654239.81320@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> I finally had the chance to go look at the picture of the one you >> mentioned. Mine is quite similar in that the placement of the knobs >> and dial appear to be the same. The available picture of the Wheeler >> one isn't detailed enough to zoom into the dial to see if they are the >> same, but they generally have the same layout. I looked at the >> schematic, and comparing it to my picture, it's possible. >> Unfortunately I am in Kansas City and the radio is at my brother's >> place in Minnesota, so I can't really check it properly. >> >> At the present I am not exactly a radio collector, so I haven't decided >> what I want to do with it. I acquired (accepted, took, etc) it rather >> than see it set out for the trash man - sorry, I should have told you >> to cover your eyes before that statement... :-) >> >> Is there much interest in that vintage for a set in that condition? >> What I remember from looking at it is that rust is not an issue as it >> is when a set is stored in the barn. It came from my uncle's house >> when it was cleaned out after the funeral, and I remember seeing it >> there when I was a kid in the early 60's. So it's probably been fairly >> protected all that time. The worst damage is to the label that would >> have told me what it was! >> >> Wayne Tiffany >> Automatic Systems, Inc. >> 9230 E. 47th St. >> Kansas City, MO 64133 >> >> 816-313-3590 Direct >> 816-356-0660 x490 Operator >> >> > > > Article: 324885 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 06:45:17 -0600 Message-ID: <7360-4360CBDD-126@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: <1130415369.350130.262330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> If you really want to sell out then post an asking price . I`m interested Article: 324886 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:00:10 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale References: <1130415369.350130.262330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <7360-4360CBDD-126@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Ken G. wrote: > If you really want to sell out then post an asking price . I`m > interested > Why don't you contact him directly? Article: 324887 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130394480.459822.17310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130415561.444597.208300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Jurassic color CRT FS Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:27:39 GMT Yes, but I had a GE 12LP4A c.1949-52? with only 1.5V and it was only good enough for a tester...I suppose that affects it's overall value, unless it has to be rebuilt. What is the current reading? I ask not because I need one, but because it is Jurasssic, as you state, and these things are important to somebody rebuilding a 1955 set etc.and the two parties who were interested in my CRT were quite interested (it sold to a guy in Salt Lake City)... wrote in message news:1130415561.444597.208300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > Steven, you made me look > > RCA book RC-25 sez 21CYP22A is 6.3V @ 1.8A > > > Marty > Article: 324888 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <435ED123.2B196464@earthlink.net> <9b2dnR0DUuI2_8LeRVn-2g@comcast.com> <435F8E50.A607D295@earthlink.net> <43602EA8.D5516ECD@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:30:13 GMT Bill, you're sorta being baited. Don't hitchike, you're only a couple of miles away from home... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:LfydnZuxeJMwL_3enZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> If you'd actually read my posts, you'd know that I work on documentation > for > >> the Microsoft Windows Helpdesk, which HP supports. If I were writing HP's > >> end-user documentation, you wouldn't be complaining about it. > > > Once again, your lack of comprehension. Of course I wouldn't be > > complaining, since I won't buy their over priced junk. It has nothing > > to do with documents that I will never see. No matter how you twist > > things, that is how things are. As far as the "Microsoft Help Desk", > > isn't that an oxymoron? > > I miscomprehend? What made you think I wrote end-user documentation when I > said I wrote Helpdesk material? > > The Helpdesk in this case is internal support. Microsoft expects end users > to go to their Website and look for help. What's there is fairly good -- I'd > give it a B, overall. > > Article: 324889 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: And yet another different use for an old radio... Message-ID: <8668f.2463$Jo3.2079@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:11:00 GMT http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8224 Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 324890 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <435ED123.2B196464@earthlink.net> <9b2dnR0DUuI2_8LeRVn-2g@comcast.com> <435F8E50.A607D295@earthlink.net> <1130426146.712703.164500@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Orange Drops Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:32:03 GMT That would be why I have a bunch of free or $10 printers, none newer thsn 1999. HP sells ink, and printers are an accessory. Still, you can't blame them in total when the entire industry is, in car loan terms, "upside down" i.e. the parts cost more than the whole. "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130426146.712703.164500@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > HP/Compaq has an interesting approach to warranties, at least in my > experience. They attempted to make a service charge for warranty > repair, which exceeded the cost of the computer in question when new. > Yes, it really-really did. When I asked them what the term "warranty" > actually meant to them, they stated that "free" repairs were only for > those who had purchased an "extended warranty", as their failure rate > was so high (laptop screens as it happened in this case) that they > could not afford to give such warrantys and still be competitive at > first-cost. This was a Carly Call (decision), BTW. > > Yea and verily, there it was in the fine print. The actual > 'free/exchange' warranty was only for thirty (30) days. for the > remainder of the one-year warranty, repairs were 'subject to a service > charge'. Needless to say, we have not purchased any HP/Compaq products > since, nor have the companies I have worked for in the meantime. This > would also include printer products. I am sure that the net effect has > only been a few hundred items over the last 6 years or so... but every > little bit hurts. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 324891 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <8668f.2463$Jo3.2079@tornado.socal.rr.com> Subject: Re: And yet another different use for an old radio... Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:34:16 GMT Next thread, sorry. I've got other things to do than look at "true crime" stories, if that's what it is. "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:8668f.2463$Jo3.2079@tornado.socal.rr.com... > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8224 > > Jeff > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 324892 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <436102F2.9C988978@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:38:58 GMT Peter Wieck wrote: > > HP/Compaq has an interesting approach to warranties, at least in my > experience. They attempted to make a service charge for warranty > repair, which exceeded the cost of the computer in question when new. > Yes, it really-really did. When I asked them what the term "warranty" > actually meant to them, they stated that "free" repairs were only for > those who had purchased an "extended warranty", as their failure rate > was so high (laptop screens as it happened in this case) that they > could not afford to give such warrantys and still be competitive at > first-cost. This was a Carly Call (decision), BTW. > > Yea and verily, there it was in the fine print. The actual > 'free/exchange' warranty was only for thirty (30) days. for the > remainder of the one-year warranty, repairs were 'subject to a service > charge'. Needless to say, we have not purchased any HP/Compaq products > since, nor have the companies I have worked for in the meantime. This > would also include printer products. I am sure that the net effect has > only been a few hundred items over the last 6 years or so... but every > little bit hurts. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA I had a Compaq 7360 desktop computer. The motherboard failed, in warranty about six years ago. They told me to take it to Radio Shack for service, that it would take about six weeks to get it back, and that it was mandatory that they reformat the hard drive. I told them no thanks, and bought a 733I Emachine that did its job until last month when its motherboard died. I've had three other motherboards die this month, and this motherboard has a dead sound chip, and the USB ports don't work. Tiger Direct had a nice deal on a new motherboard and processor but I had to put a new battery in my truck yesterday, and I have to replace two tires, or park the truck till I do. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324893 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4361036F.FB620811@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <435ED123.2B196464@earthlink.net> <9b2dnR0DUuI2_8LeRVn-2g@comcast.com> <435F8E50.A607D295@earthlink.net> <43602EA8.D5516ECD@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:41:03 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > > >> If you'd actually read my posts, you'd know that I work on documentation > for > >> the Microsoft Windows Helpdesk, which HP supports. If I were writing HP's > >> end-user documentation, you wouldn't be complaining about it. > > > Once again, your lack of comprehension. Of course I wouldn't be > > complaining, since I won't buy their over priced junk. It has nothing > > to do with documents that I will never see. No matter how you twist > > things, that is how things are. As far as the "Microsoft Help Desk", > > isn't that an oxymoron? > > I miscomprehend? What made you think I wrote end-user documentation when I > said I wrote Helpdesk material? > > The Helpdesk in this case is internal support. Microsoft expects end users > to go to their Website and look for help. What's there is fairly good -- I'd > give it a B, overall. It has never helped me. Misinformation, or no clue as to an aswer is all I get. Of course, I WORK on the computers, not just fix simple problems. In fact, I repair some defective boards, including motherboards. On the other hand, if you are happy with the help desk, enjoy yourself. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324894 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Create Your Own Monthly Income References: <%n78f.330088$tl2.192668@pd7tw3no> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:44:12 GMT hammer wrote: > Create Your Own Monthly Income I remember a sketch with Eddie Murphy on Saturday Night Live... "Welcome to the Velvet Jones School For Ho's." "Ladies, are you tired of laying on your back all day doing nothing? Sign up now and learn how to make money laying on your back..." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 324895 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" Subject: Looking for schematic Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:16:20 GMT I've an AMP-150 Magnavox tube amplifier that i'd like to use with a Craftsman AM/FM tuner. Someone put his hands on.. 'cut and pasted' wires. It's a very good looking amp with 2 cross-overed 6v6s PPs (or this's what i can guess..) Anyone knowing where to find the schematic? Thanks, -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 324896 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43611100.344B3961@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: How many of you own Mystery Control Radios? References: <435ee62a$0$32206$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:40:16 -0400 I have a Philco 39-116 which has the mystery control... Sal Brisindi Bill Morris wrote: > I may have a working battery for them in the next few months. Check on > binaries for more info. > > Bill Article: 324897 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Philco birdies and a Rider Chanalyst Message-ID: <_n88f.14810$vk1.14553@dukeread04> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:46:42 -0400 Bringing a 46-420 back to life and noticed birdies when tuning. I assumed an oscillating IF and looked around with a scope to no avail. Then I grabbed my seldome used Chanalyst, defeated the lo, tuned around and got a wopping signal around 455kc. This set has the 7C7 RF amp, otherwise an AC/DC AA5. Trouble is, this is a very stubborn oscillation. I can lessen it, but nothing will stop it. Anyone fought a tough one of these and won? Tips accepted, Ken Article: 324898 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: William Mutch Subject: Re: And yet another different use for an old radio... Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:01:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8668f.2463$Jo3.2079@tornado.socal.rr.com> In article <8668f.2463$Jo3.2079@tornado.socal.rr.com>, jangus@socal.rr.com says... > http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8224 > > Jeff > > I think it's cool. The NC-54 was a crappy radio, but it did look cool...with this stuff inside it it might work well. but don't do this to an HRO...please! Article: 324899 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Philco birdies and a Rider Chanalyst References: <_n88f.14810$vk1.14553@dukeread04> <1130436345.216955.22090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <2n98f.14813$vk1.8842@dukeread04> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:53:58 -0400 Peter, I have done the usual, bypass everything I could. I just found out it went away on it's own, but am sure it will be back. What trimmer did you detune, RF or loc osc, or both? Did you re-adj the IF trans? Could you have changed the IF freq somehow? I have fixed these probs before by de tuning the IF's, but would like to keep the sens. as hi as possible. Peter Wieck wrote: > Ken: > > What have you tried to date. I did a 46-460 recently (same cabinet, > nearly the same chassis) which had similar issues. I detuned it via the > trimmers on the tuning cap. Not enough to be even a little bit deaf, > but well-enough to defeat what I perceived as feedback-type sounds just > off station. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 324900 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:17:30 -0600 Message-ID: References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> given that the general form of the multi-tool centers around the almost useless pliars, and that format makes many of the other tools equally hard to use, unless the main reason you have the tool is for the pliars i suggest you get something without them. they were recalled for some reason, but i still love my spyderco: http://www.excaliburenterprises.com/knives/spyderco/spyderench.html all its missing is needlenose pliars. but it has slip joint pliars and a crescent wrench, both of which actually work. and the knife seperates. food for thought. randy > Question: What is the best 'multi-tool' on the market? I've owned > several Gerber models, and the Shrade multi. I've used the SAG and > Leathermen devices (not all the leatherman models, however). The Gerbers > are the best in function, IMO; but they don't seem to hold up. > > jak >> -Scott >> >> >> Article: 324901 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: William Mutch Subject: Restoring old radios...wha' da point? (longish rant) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:19:51 -0400 Message-ID: I've been interested in restoring old radios since a time in the '50's when my dad bought a prewar Silvertone radio/phono combo at a yard sale and we got it working again as a project together. I learned a lot >from it. As I've been lurking this newsgroup for the last year or so I'm intriqued by how many people have become rabid about fixing them up. I know the disease...I've done a Stromberg-Carlson Octagon Dial 3 bander, an SX-42, a Grunow and a navy surplus RDF who numbers I don't remember. Thing is...what's the point ?? No matter how well you fix up the cathedral it still won't get the Grand Ole Oprey. The chrome chassis McMurdo won't bring us Harry Truman. This brings me to thinking maybe how many of us are trying to restore the *culture* of the era or the great radios, but we can't pick up the programs ! What could we be doing to convince the Clear-Congromerated-Channel bean counters that there is a market for actual *programming* on radio. Yes, it's expensive...hard to do with 'bots. It would be cool for auld lang syne to be able to hear the Ronald Coleman Christmas show again...sure...but how about recreating a media environment which could once again give us the likes of Monitor Radio in 2005 terms, radio drama that takes us out of TV cliche land, comedy which isn't sitcom stupid, or adventure programs that expand our worlds. There are some programming attempts: Praire Home Companion both pokes fun at and appreciates the old time sound. A couple of Christian stations are producing radio drama. It's didactic, but it still works, sort of. I heard someone on shortwave with a contemporary *clueless* Amos and Andy repro. (aweful!) So I know I'm not the only person missing radio as a medium that can have real content. Part of what's important about this to me is that unlike the boob tube or the sticky strands of the Web, you can do something constructive while you listen to radio. You can work in the shop, split next winters firewood, or wash dishes or sort products for market or shovel Katrina mud out your hallway. Anyone else on the board think this is about more than restuffing capacitors ?? Not about nostalgia but trying to renovate our civilization. Fire away. Article: 324902 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:29:37 -0500 xrongor wrote: > given that the general form of the multi-tool centers around the almost > useless pliars, and that format makes many of the other tools equally hard > to use, unless the main reason you have the tool is for the pliars i suggest > you get something without them. That looks interesting...a lot of loose parts, unless I misjudged the diagram. OTOH, as I said, the pliers--along with their associated wire cutter--is the most used part of my Gerber...next would be the knife, then the scissors (really excellent scissors, BTW) and after that the various screwdrivers and other bits. Still, thanks for the suggestion. That's one I'd never even heard of. If I see one is a shop, I'll definitely check it out. > > they were recalled for some reason, but i still love my spyderco: > > http://www.excaliburenterprises.com/knives/spyderco/spyderench.html > > all its missing is needlenose pliars. but it has slip joint pliars and a > crescent wrench, both of which actually work. and the knife seperates. > > food for thought. > > randy > > >>Question: What is the best 'multi-tool' on the market? I've owned >>several Gerber models, and the Shrade multi. I've used the SAG and >>Leathermen devices (not all the leatherman models, however). The Gerbers >>are the best in function, IMO; but they don't seem to hold up. >> >>jak >> >>>-Scott >>> >>> >>> > > Article: 324903 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Restoring old radios...wha' da point? (longish rant) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:59:22 -0400 www.dadsotr.com then, buy a SSTRAN transmitter and mp3 player. Article: 324904 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:16:03 -0600 Message-ID: References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "jakdedert" wrote in message news:GM98f.11980$_31.10620@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > xrongor wrote: >> given that the general form of the multi-tool centers around the almost >> useless pliars, and that format makes many of the other tools equally >> hard to use, unless the main reason you have the tool is for the pliars i >> suggest you get something without them. > > That looks interesting...a lot of loose parts, unless I misjudged the > diagram. i thought so too, but overall i find having the tools seperate is a good thing. need the knife? its right there handy. need the screwdriver while you're using the knife or the crescent wrench? no problem. the bits stay in their spot when not in use (never had one fall out yet), but you could drop one once its out. it does take standard bits though so they are easily replaced, and you can use any bit not just what came with the tool. store the 4 you use most on the tool and keep the rest in the truck just in case. also good if you mangle your phillips head. dont have to buy a new tool, just a bit. randy Article: 324905 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Restoring old radios...wha' da point? (longish rant) References: Message-ID: <8Ma8f.14817$vk1.10352@dukeread04> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:29:00 -0400 We, as a group, are pretty much alone in our appreciation of radio programming. It's a different world now. Ken William Mutch wrote: > I've been interested in restoring old radios since a time in the > '50's when my dad bought a prewar Silvertone radio/phono combo at a yard > sale and we got it working again as a project together. I learned a lot > from it. > As I've been lurking this newsgroup for the last year or so I'm > intriqued by how many people have become rabid about fixing them up. I > know the disease...I've done a Stromberg-Carlson Octagon Dial 3 bander, > an SX-42, a Grunow and a navy surplus RDF who numbers I don't remember. > Thing is...what's the point ?? No matter how well you fix up the > cathedral it still won't get the Grand Ole Oprey. The chrome chassis > McMurdo won't bring us Harry Truman. This brings me to thinking maybe > how many of us are trying to restore the *culture* of the era or the > great radios, but we can't pick up the programs ! > What could we be doing to convince the Clear-Congromerated-Channel > bean counters that there is a market for actual *programming* on radio. > Yes, it's expensive...hard to do with 'bots. > It would be cool for auld lang syne to be able to hear the Ronald > Coleman Christmas show again...sure...but how about recreating a media > environment which could once again give us the likes of Monitor Radio in > 2005 terms, radio drama that takes us out of TV cliche land, comedy > which isn't sitcom stupid, or adventure programs that expand our worlds. > There are some programming attempts: Praire Home Companion both > pokes fun at and appreciates the old time sound. A couple of Christian > stations are producing radio drama. It's didactic, but it still works, > sort of. I heard someone on shortwave with a contemporary *clueless* > Amos and Andy repro. (aweful!) So I know I'm not the only person > missing radio as a medium that can have real content. > Part of what's important about this to me is that unlike the boob > tube or the sticky strands of the Web, you can do something constructive > while you listen to radio. You can work in the shop, split next winters > firewood, or wash dishes or sort products for market or shovel Katrina > mud out your hallway. > Anyone else on the board think this is about more than restuffing > capacitors ?? Not about nostalgia but trying to renovate our > civilization. > Fire away. Article: 324906 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Philco birdies and a Rider Chanalyst References: <_n88f.14810$vk1.14553@dukeread04> <1130436345.216955.22090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <2n98f.14813$vk1.8842@dukeread04> <436133B5.17BE0B5D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 16:32:28 -0400 Good tips, thanks. Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Ken wrote: > >>Peter, I have done the usual, bypass everything I could. I just found >>out it went away on it's own, but am sure it will be back. What trimmer >>did you detune, RF or loc osc, or both? Did you re-adj the IF trans? >>Could you have changed the IF freq somehow? I have fixed these probs >>before by de tuning the IF's, but would like to keep the sens. as hi as >>possible. > > > > If you have a decent signal generator try this: Tune the top of the > IFs to peak 2 kHz higher and the bottom 2 KHz lower. You shouldn't > notice much, if any change in gain, but by staggering the peaks you > reduce the gain at that one frequency, and it should be enough to make > it stable. One other trick is to reverse the connections at the output > of one of the IF stages to invert the polarity of any signal coupled > back to earlier stages. > Article: 324907 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Wire recorders Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1130098781.935794.43600@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130104544.680589.110800@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4wU6f.3021$HW5.1335@trnddc04> <1130179947.814038.28420@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <_LX7f.508070$5N3.200352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> In <_LX7f.508070$5N3.200352@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> "Paul P" writes: >> http://daskeyboard.com/ >This reminds me of the marketing tactic where they take a fault and market >it as a feature. Looks to me as though they forgot to send it through or >power up the laser key imager. Heh. That's what someone said in the group where I first saw this posted: "What are we going to do with all these defective keyboards?" :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 324908 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "bstanton@null.com" Subject: Old components - worth anything? Date: 27 Oct 2005 15:45:02 -0500 Message-ID: <2te2m1de55pp0dnrnnocj4rfdjan95lu5r@4ax.com> I've inherited my grandfather's shop, and there are boxes of old components, from selenium rectifiers and transistors in metal cans to rolls of cotton insulated wire and capacitors that look like wax sealed rolls of paper and foil. Little to none of it is actually "new," it's mostly removed from older equipment. Is any of this worth anything? I'd like to junk anything without value, but not if it's useful. Do people repair older equipment with this stuff for "authenticity?" Not many tubes in the collection. Comments are welcome. Article: 324909 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Old components - worth anything? References: <2te2m1de55pp0dnrnnocj4rfdjan95lu5r@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:56:40 GMT A picture is worth a thousand words, that way we can make an intelligent guess. bstanton@null.com wrote: > I've inherited my grandfather's shop, and there are boxes of > old components, from selenium rectifiers and transistors in > metal cans to rolls of cotton insulated wire and capacitors > that look like wax sealed rolls of paper and foil. Little > to none of it is actually "new," it's mostly removed from > older equipment. > > Is any of this worth anything? I'd like to junk anything > without value, but not if it's useful. Do people repair > older equipment with this stuff for "authenticity?" Not > many tubes in the collection. Comments are welcome. Article: 324910 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Caveat Lector" References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:58:50 -0700 RE DishWashers Well my repair person sez current GE is Junk Whirlpool, Kitchenaid, and Kenmore (all the same mfg) is his chioce In the 70's GE was a top pick By CU, mine lasted almost 20 years My Kenmore lasted 17 years Pump and labor wud cost around $300 -- can almost get a new one for that. Off to Sears Ding and Dent store Guess times change -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "jakdedert" wrote in message news:GM98f.11980$_31.10620@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > xrongor wrote: >> given that the general form of the multi-tool centers around the almost >> useless pliars, and that format makes many of the other tools equally >> hard to use, unless the main reason you have the tool is for the pliars i >> suggest you get something without them. > > That looks interesting...a lot of loose parts, unless I misjudged the > diagram. OTOH, as I said, the pliers--along with their associated wire > cutter--is the most used part of my Gerber...next would be the knife, then > the scissors (really excellent scissors, BTW) and after that the various > screwdrivers and other bits. > > Still, thanks for the suggestion. That's one I'd never even heard of. If > I see one is a shop, I'll definitely check it out. > >> >> they were recalled for some reason, but i still love my spyderco: >> >> http://www.excaliburenterprises.com/knives/spyderco/spyderench.html >> >> all its missing is needlenose pliars. but it has slip joint pliars and a >> crescent wrench, both of which actually work. and the knife seperates. >> >> food for thought. >> >> randy >> >> >>>Question: What is the best 'multi-tool' on the market? I've owned >>>several Gerber models, and the Shrade multi. I've used the SAG and >>>Leathermen devices (not all the leatherman models, however). The Gerbers >>>are the best in function, IMO; but they don't seem to hold up. >>> >>>jak >>> >>>>-Scott >>>> >>>> >>>> >> Article: 324911 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Orange Drops Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:13:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <435ED123.2B196464@earthlink.net> <9b2dnR0DUuI2_8LeRVn-2g@comcast.com> <435F8E50.A607D295@earthlink.net> <43602EA8.D5516ECD@earthlink.net> <4361036F.FB620811@earthlink.net> In <4361036F.FB620811@earthlink.net> "Michael A. Terrell" writes: >William Sommerwerck wrote: >> >> The Helpdesk in this case is internal support. Microsoft expects end users >> to go to their Website and look for help. What's there is fairly good -- I'd >> give it a B, overall. > It has never helped me. Misinformation, or no clue as to an aswer is >all I get. You might consider the Psychic Friends Network: "In terms of technical expertise, we found that a Microsoft technician using Knowledge Base was about as helpful as a Psychic Friends reader using Tarot Cards. All in all, however, the Psychic Friends Net work proved to be a much friendlier organization than Microsoft Technical Support. While neither group was actually able to answer any of our technical questions, the Psychic Friends Network was much faster than Microsoft and much more courteous." http://www.netscrap.com/netscrap_detail.cfm?scrap_id=704 -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 324912 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Old components - worth anything? Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:19:54 -0600 Message-ID: References: <2te2m1de55pp0dnrnnocj4rfdjan95lu5r@4ax.com> generally boxes of old mostly used components dont have much value. i find the best bet is to use ebay completed items on components that are unique, clearly have 'some' value (like wire), or heavy. doesnt compensate for an encyclopedic knowledge of such things, but you can sleep better after selling the boxes of chaff for 5$ a pop. in any case, dont throw them out. someone here would probably pay for shipping or pick them up randy "bstanton@null.com" wrote in message news:2te2m1de55pp0dnrnnocj4rfdjan95lu5r@4ax.com... > I've inherited my grandfather's shop, and there are boxes of > old components, from selenium rectifiers and transistors in > metal cans to rolls of cotton insulated wire and capacitors > that look like wax sealed rolls of paper and foil. Little > to none of it is actually "new," it's mostly removed from > older equipment. > > Is any of this worth anything? I'd like to junk anything > without value, but not if it's useful. Do people repair > older equipment with this stuff for "authenticity?" Not > many tubes in the collection. Comments are welcome. Article: 324913 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <_n88f.14810$vk1.14553@dukeread04> <1130436345.216955.22090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <2n98f.14813$vk1.8842@dukeread04> <436133B5.17BE0B5D@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Philco birdies and a Rider Chanalyst Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:57:49 -0400 I hate to be the contrarian odd man out, but... That radio shouldn't be doing that. It didn't leave the factory with those problems. Detuning stages to mask a regenerative IF is only masking the problem, and you will be throwing away some gain in the process. Also, if the IF is regenerative, chances are the passband is going to be abnormally sharp due to the Q multiplier effect caused by the feedback. I'd doublecheck the tube shields (if any) grounds, bypass caps, and even the lead dress under chassis to try and isolate the source of the problem before resorting to bandaid fixes. Pete Article: 324914 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: And yet another different use for an old radio... Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:05:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <8668f.2463$Jo3.2079@tornado.socal.rr.com> In <8668f.2463$Jo3.2079@tornado.socal.rr.com> Jeffrey D Angus writes: >http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8224 Interesting. Like most folks here, I'll tend toward the solution of using various tools to dump audio out of the computer, then feed a transmitter for listening on vintage radios. However, ISTM there is a market for a simple embedded box that has an IP connection on one end and audio output on the other. For folks who like the look of old tyme radio, but couldn't care less about tubes and such, something like this could fit the bill. Such devices do exist, without the vintage shell: http://slimdevices.com/ -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 324915 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:37:35 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Philco birdies and a Rider Chanalyst References: <_n88f.14810$vk1.14553@dukeread04> <1130436345.216955.22090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <2n98f.14813$vk1.8842@dukeread04> <436133B5.17BE0B5D@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <7b1ab$436156b3$4232bde6$30265@COQUI.NET> Uncle Peter wrote: > I hate to be the contrarian odd man out, but... > > That radio shouldn't be doing that. It didn't leave the factory > with those problems. Oh, 46-420? I know that gal intimately. Mine misbehaved very similar to what you're describing. I'll try to make a longish story short. First off, put the original resonant cap/coil bypass back into place, the original place, for the time being. That will make things easier. On mine, I simply *could not* find the 455 peak on the IF xfmrs. I found peaks all over the place but walking up from 300 kc or down from 600 kc I never could quite land on 455 because of all the squawking, etc. and inability to discern the harmonics from the fundamental on my sig gen. You'll find 455 with the IF trimmers quite on the tight side, a bit tighter than you'd normally find. At that end of their range they are quite critical. I wound up taking the xfmrs apart and presetting the trimmers for resonance with a cap meter - thats how touchy they are. They have way too much range. So much so that they will easily tune >from 300-600 kc...or it would seem so once you throw the sig gen harmonics into the mix. I know the set works well as a trf receiver on 580 kc! When I finally found 455 the thing settled down perfectly. And after I found 455 the resonant bypass gizmo was no longer a critical issue. A plain mylar .22 worked fine. I know, Bill-exray is an idiot and was just fumbling around like an dufus not knowing what he was doing. Maybe so, but thats how I got mine to work. -Bill Article: 324916 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4361662b$0$11071$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: The Russians have figured me out. References: <1130242980.490925.101220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130257994.667481.207070@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130360476.299593.231730@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130429350.446497.182610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: 27 Oct 2005 23:43:39 GMT tschw10117@aol.com wrote: > Since 1930s, wire radio has been a means first of propaganda and then > news and family entertainment. " This goes more or less for any radio or other national media, nomatter where you are located and what the exact media is. Sure, in modern society there are more possibilities for people to express their opinions then there were in the thirties. Back then in Germany there was Nazi propaganda. In the US in the fifties, there was anti communist propaganda, nowadayas there are coloured opinions on terrorism in both 'camps', and so on. - Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 324917 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:55:19 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: The Russians have figured me out. References: <1130242980.490925.101220@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130257994.667481.207070@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130360476.299593.231730@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130429350.446497.182610@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <4361662b$0$11071$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl wrote: > tschw10117@aol.com wrote: > >>Since 1930s, wire radio has been a means first of propaganda and then >>news and family entertainment. " > > > This goes more or less for any radio or other national media, nomatter > where you are located and what the exact media is. The island of Barbados in the Caribbean had 'redifusion' wired radio available back in the 60s. I don't think that was as much as a dictatorial propaganda tool as much as a 'capitalist' means of making a buck. Now they have cable tv...and probably XM Radio, the ultimate in orienting the masses to a single source. :) -Bill Article: 324918 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Philco birdies and a Rider Chanalyst References: <_n88f.14810$vk1.14553@dukeread04> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:38:04 -0400 Happy to report, put it back together, no birdies, VERY sensitive and very stable. This one has the RF amp. The 48-460 look alike dropped the RF amp and added a secone IF amp, RC coupled. Otherwise about the same ckt. Would this make it more sensitive? Where is the best place to put gain for sensitivity? Ken Ken wrote: > Bringing a 46-420 back to life and noticed birdies when tuning. I > assumed an oscillating IF and looked around with a scope to no avail. > Then I grabbed my seldome used Chanalyst, defeated the lo, tuned around > and got a wopping signal around 455kc. This set has the 7C7 RF amp, > otherwise an AC/DC AA5. Trouble is, this is a very stubborn oscillation. > I can lessen it, but nothing will stop it. Anyone fought a tough one of > these and won? Tips accepted, Ken > Article: 324919 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <_n88f.14810$vk1.14553@dukeread04> Subject: Re: Philco birdies and a Rider Chanalyst Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:48:59 -0400 "Ken" wrote in message news:Epe8f.14838$vk1.6313@dukeread04... > Happy to report, put it back together, no birdies, VERY sensitive and > very stable. This one has the RF amp. The 48-460 look alike dropped the > RF amp and added a secone IF amp, RC coupled. Otherwise about the same > ckt. Would this make it more sensitive? Where is the best place to put > gain for sensitivity? Ken > Front end sets the noise figure.. Normally a mixer is more than adequate for the lower HF region. Gain is a cheap commodity, and belongs after the mixer stages. (Overload issues.) More tuned IF stages should provide better skirt selectivity in theory. Pete Article: 324920 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <435ee62a$0$32206$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <43611100.344B3961@optonline.net> Subject: Re: How many of you own Mystery Control Radios? Message-ID: <8Be8f.4198$lb7.50018@news1.mts.net> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:58:47 -0700 "Sal Brisindi" wrote in message news:43611100.344B3961@optonline.net... > I have a Philco 39-116 which has the mystery control... > > Sal Brisindi > > Bill Morris wrote: > > > I may have a working battery for them in the next few months. Check on > > binaries for more info. > > > > Bill Me too, as noted on binaries. Incidentally, I may have found a way to improve the range of the remote. With new batteries, I got about 30 feet. Nelson Article: 324921 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Orange Drops Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> <435ED123.2B196464@earthlink.net> <9b2dnR0DUuI2_8LeRVn-2g@comcast.com> <435F8E50.A607D295@earthlink.net> <43602EA8.D5516ECD@earthlink.net> <4361036F.FB620811@earthlink.net> In "William Sommerwerck" writes: >Again, you are ignoring my distinction between the internal Helpdesk and >online end-user documentation. (See above.) True. This was not in direct response to your distinction, rather an example of that well-known phenomenon, thread drift. >I don't know how good Microsoft's paid live help is. As I said, the online >database is often, but not always, useful. Wow. When surrounded by dirt, even the roughest gem sparkles, I suppose. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 324922 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <_n88f.14810$vk1.14553@dukeread04> <1130436345.216955.22090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <2n98f.14813$vk1.8842@dukeread04> <436133B5.17BE0B5D@earthlink.net> <436180E4.90387878@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Philco birdies and a Rider Chanalyst Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:03:41 -0400 "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:436180E4.90387878@earthlink.net... > Uncle Peter wrote: > > > > I hate to be the contrarian odd man out, but... > > > > That radio shouldn't be doing that. It didn't leave the factory > > with those problems. Detuning stages to mask a regenerative IF > > is only masking the problem, and you will be throwing away some > > gain in the process. Also, if the IF is regenerative, chances are the > > passband is going to be abnormally sharp due to the Q multiplier > > effect caused by the feedback. > > > > I'd doublecheck the tube shields (if any) grounds, bypass caps, and > > even the lead dress under chassis to try and isolate the source of > > the problem before resorting to bandaid fixes. > > > > Pete > > I consider it to be a troubleshooting trick. If it stops the > oscillation you can look for the cause, or just leave it as is, > depending on your skill level. > > -- > ? > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Sometimes you have to do what you have to do... I have an early Zenith tombstone that had a regenerative IF. The final cure was adding additional RC filtering in the B+ line for one of the IF stages (1,000 ohm resistor and another .1 mfd bypass.) Stopped the regenerative problems, but I was never able to determine the real cause of the problem. Bothers me to this day! Pete Article: 324923 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43618DAD.90D9B9F6@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Philco birdies and a Rider Chanalyst References: <_n88f.14810$vk1.14553@dukeread04> <1130436345.216955.22090@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <2n98f.14813$vk1.8842@dukeread04> <436133B5.17BE0B5D@earthlink.net> <436180E4.90387878@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:30:56 GMT Uncle Peter wrote: > > Sometimes you have to do what you have to do... I have an early > Zenith tombstone that had a regenerative IF. The final cure was > adding additional RC filtering in the B+ line for one of the IF stages > (1,000 ohm resistor and another .1 mfd bypass.) Stopped the > regenerative problems, but I was never able to determine the > real cause of the problem. Bothers me to this day! > > Pete I've found strange things like corroded rivets on tube sockets on metal tube sockets, and other mechanical defects that caused these problems, but its easier to find the cause when you can control the oscillation. I also had fun on a production run of 70 MHz IF amplifiers. They were over 10 dB down in gain, but I found the problem in short order. Then, it took a lot of explaining to fix the problem. Purchasing had changed brands of molded inductors without permission. The new type used different mixes of ferrite. They were ordering parts with a 5% tolerance, rather than the specified 10% parts. The problem was that no one understood the concept of SRF, or "Self Resonant Frequency" so they inductors weren't decoupling the circuit form the power rail, they were detuning them. I never did convince some of the engineers that SRF was a critical specification, but they grudgingly changed the inductance values so we could complete the modules. They refused to include SRF on the Item Master, which would have told purchasing that the part wasn't acceptable. They just couldn't understand why it was OK to phase out the 5% resistors for 1%, but not replace the inductors with a tighter specification. They also thought you could sub standard electrolytics for the low ESR types used on the newer voltage regulators. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 324924 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <1130462952.209189.158690@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Somewhere a Buick is without seat covers Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:51:08 GMT Hi! Hmm...I don't think that the grille cloth is the end of the world, if that's what you are talking about. At least they didn't do anything that looks to be totally irreversible. William Article: 324925 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130394480.459822.17310@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130415561.444597.208300@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <0eednTo_aaeCZf3eRVn-qA@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Jurassic color CRT FS Message-ID: <0rg8f.606$ZA3.159775@monger.newsread.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:55:56 GMT "Bill Cohn" wrote in message news:0eednTo_aaeCZf3eRVn-qA@comcast.com... > Steve, > > I have to ask here. What do you mean the 12LP4 was 1.5V filament. The > tube manual states that the filament for a 12LP4 is 6.3V at 0.6A. This > does not change with age. Are you referring to the emission capability > of the CRT? > > Bill I would guess, but the KSRV engineer knew what it was, even if I'm not sure, and it was noted as being low and good for testing mainly. I had to find out to sell it. I found out my Eico wasn't working right from the whole episode too... Article: 324926 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130264027.375273.216710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:03:48 GMT I might pick up a small Kenmore for 5, maybe 10 tops at the local auction...if it's junk, oh well, but if it works it goes in where one of the old flour/tater bins was (if it fits)...I don't go to the store for stuff like that. "Caveat Lector" wrote in message news:Ybb8f.14062$i%.12418@fed1read07... > RE DishWashers > > Well my repair person sez current GE is Junk > Whirlpool, Kitchenaid, and Kenmore (all the same mfg) is his chioce > > In the 70's GE was a top pick By CU, mine lasted almost 20 years > My Kenmore lasted 17 years > Pump and labor wud cost around $300 -- can almost get a new one for that. > Off to Sears Ding and Dent store > > Guess times change > > -- > CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! > > > > > > > "jakdedert" wrote in message > news:GM98f.11980$_31.10620@bignews5.bellsouth.net... > > xrongor wrote: > >> given that the general form of the multi-tool centers around the almost > >> useless pliars, and that format makes many of the other tools equally > >> hard to use, unless the main reason you have the tool is for the pliars i > >> suggest you get something without them. > > > > That looks interesting...a lot of loose parts, unless I misjudged the > > diagram. OTOH, as I said, the pliers--along with their associated wire > > cutter--is the most used part of my Gerber...next would be the knife, then > > the scissors (really excellent scissors, BTW) and after that the various > > screwdrivers and other bits. > > > > Still, thanks for the suggestion. That's one I'd never even heard of. If > > I see one is a shop, I'll definitely check it out. > > > >> > >> they were recalled for some reason, but i still love my spyderco: > >> > >> http://www.excaliburenterprises.com/knives/spyderco/spyderench.html > >> > >> all its missing is needlenose pliars. but it has slip joint pliars and a > >> crescent wrench, both of which actually work. and the knife seperates. > >> > >> food for thought. > >> > >> randy > >> > >> > >>>Question: What is the best 'multi-tool' on the market? I've owned > >>>several Gerber models, and the Shrade multi. I've used the SAG and > >>>Leathermen devices (not all the leatherman models, however). The Gerbers > >>>are the best in function, IMO; but they don't seem to hold up. > >>> > >>>jak > >>> > >>>>-Scott > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > Article: 324927 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130467531.001258.60610@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Radio won't stay tuned...how can I fix Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:09:30 GMT wrote in message news:1130467531.001258.60610@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I have Sony ICF-9660W tabletop radio. Excellent working order except > tuner fades after a few minutes and I have to keep retuning...there > must be a way to fix or clean some thing on the inside. All > suggestions and knowledge welcome thanks! If you don't have a faulty part going out of spec, maybe that speaker is rattling it out of tune...is it played loudly? I have a Philco that does a similasr trick. Article: 324928 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: Antique record players Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:10:35 -0400 "Warren Weber" wrote in message news:jsidnUn7U_MVFfzenZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@bresnan.com... >A friend has almost 100 antique record players. He had the collection in >his basement. They are now on loan to the city museum. Currently about 1/3 >of them are displayed. In a year the next 1/3 will be displayed. I was able >to photograph the ones now on display. Each photo runs from 1 to 3 MB file >size. I could cut them down to about 150 KB each and put them on ABPR if >any one is interested, but at a loss of detail. If I kept each entry to >about 500KB would this be OK for ABPR viewing. Or if you want to see them >in person, they are at Royal Gorge Regional Museum & History Center. >Located In Canon City, Colorado. 612 Royal Gorge Blvd. Warren With a ~150k file size, you should get a fine quality of pictures for viewing online. Plus, more people will be able to see them (access speed). The 1-3meg ones are only needed if you would like people to be able to print out large versions. cheers, Frank Article: 324929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: philsvintageradios Subject: Re: Repwood restoration techniques? Message-ID: <6s43m1pcp5t4isi3eu7qa3mg2dk61l211d@4ax.com> References: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:15:50 GMT I have a fada console with lots of repwood. the finish was messed up and someone before me started to strip it. I completed stripping the "carved" base of the radio using mowhawk liquid stripper. It took everything off fine and didn't damage the repwood. in this case the repwood is hard as a rock. it's fine. I stopped there and decided to sharpen my skills on some simpler finishing jobs because i want to do this one right. I haven't re done the toner yet, I would be interested in learning more about how to apply the color so it looks natural. it should be darker in the lower areas. Perhaps by spraying the toner on and artfully wiping it off . When finished, the repwood shouldn't shine like new. I will need to take the shine off somehow. I am not sure how to best do that. Phil On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:47:08 -0700, "Phil Nelson" wrote: >I have a radio with a repwood front in the usual condition -- exposed parts >worn to the underlying light tan "paper pulp" color; the rest looks like it >was colored with dark brown paint, or perhaps the same toning lacquer used >for the sides and top of the wooden cabinet. > >The wooden top and sides are damaged and must be stripped. > >I'm assuming that any sort of stripper, or even vigorous water-based >cleaning, will turn the repwood to mush, and lead to tears. > >My current thinking is to: > >1. Mask off the repwood front, strip the damaged wooden top and sides. > >2. Seal the wooden top and sides. > >3. Spray brown toning lacquer on top & sides until they're not quite as dark >as the front. > >4. Carefully touch up worn areas on repwood front with matching brown paint. >(The worn/flaked areas are MUCH lighter than surrounding areas.) > >5. Remove masking and shoot the whole thing with a coat or two of brown >toning lacquer until the colors look right. > >6. Finish with a coat of clear satin lacquer for protection. > >Any other ideas? > >The repwood has fine details, so I wouldn't want to spray a bunch of brown >paint onto it, even if that's what they originally used. > >I'm assuming that you can't just strip mistakes off repwood, as you can do >with wood. So whatever I do to the front would not necessarily be >reversible. (For instance, you could easily make it darker, but not >lighter.) > >Regards, > >Phil Nelson >Phil's Old Radios >http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > Article: 324930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Restoring old radios...wha' da point? (longish rant) From: Mike References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:22:24 GMT WBBM (Chicago) plays "when radio was" hosted by Stan Freeburg every weeknight @ midnight. On Saturday's they play "The Twilight Zone" -or at least they still did when I was working night shift a month ago- at the same time. The Twilight Zone episodes are new versions, hosted by Stacy Keech which are actually pretty good. Radio drama (and comedy, soaps, etc.) didn't really die back in the early sixties, but they sure are hard to locate. This type of programming doesn't pay the bills and is usually heard only in the wee hours. I think the last 'otr' type program that actually made a go of it was the CBS Radio Mystery Theater a couple decades ago. Well made, and with a real fan base. It's less costly for station owners to go with the 'top 40' in any given genre, pay some college kid peanuts to announce the cuts, and collect the ad revenue. Think about it...probably 60% of the people I see driving these days have a cell phone stuck to the side of their head. They just want some kind of background noise coming from their radio. They don't have the time to actually listen to a story. It's a shame....... Mike Article: 324931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:27:00 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Somewhere a Buick is without seat covers References: <1130462952.209189.158690@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <5efbf$43619a85$4232bd3f$19372@COQUI.NET> William R. Walsh wrote: > Hi! > > Hmm...I don't think that the grille cloth is the end of the world, if that's > what you are talking about. > > At least they didn't do anything that looks to be totally irreversible. > > William > > Yeah, but that model would still be a butt-ugly radio even with nice grille cloth. -Bill Article: 324932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" References: Subject: Re: Restoring old radios...wha' da point? (longish rant) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:40:28 -0700 Well, at the risk of overloading his web server, I would suggest the following: URL http://radio.macinmind.com/ Jay runs a LPR station and also plays it on the internet. The shows include the old commercials and at the end of each show is are a couple of period songs (to fill in the gaps)..The setup is totally run by his computer and he try's to play shows aired on the current date... For instance, say an episode of Dragnet played on oct 27th 1951, then Jay tries to play that episode on oct 27th 2005!!! The amount of time setting this station up must have been amazing!!!!!! My hat is off to Jay!!! I can tell you Jays station beats the rest of the AM stations in PHX .. As for the use of old radios... I was working in the yard all day Wednesday and had one of my tube radios tuned into my Signal generator that is connected to my computer that was playing from Jays site. It just a flea powered signal generator, but with the 9 foot antenna, it carries through out the house and yard. It was nice to work away and be entertained while doing so!!!!.. I also, if the kids are good, crank up the signal genny on Friday nights and let the kids stay up 30 minutes late, with their clock radios tuned in to the old radio shows... The only problem is that I sometimes forget to turn it off and they end up listening to it longer then the 30 mins :) darn shame that they get to stay up late listening to old radio shows.... Bob in phx "Mike" wrote in message news:Xns96FCE3A81657Cmeking12978mchsiyour@204.127.199.17... > WBBM (Chicago) plays "when radio was" hosted by Stan Freeburg every > weeknight @ midnight. On Saturday's they play "The Twilight Zone" -or at > least they still did when I was working night shift a month ago- at the > same time. The Twilight Zone episodes are new versions, hosted by Stacy > Keech which are actually pretty good. Radio drama (and comedy, soaps, > etc.) > didn't really die back in the early sixties, but they sure are hard to > locate. This type of programming doesn't pay the bills and is usually > heard only in the wee hours. I think the last 'otr' type program that > actually made a go of it was the CBS Radio Mystery Theater a couple > decades > ago. Well made, and with a real fan base. > It's less costly for station owners to go with the 'top 40' in any given > genre, pay some college kid peanuts to announce the cuts, and collect the > ad revenue. Think about it...probably 60% of the people I see driving > these days have a cell phone stuck to the side of their head. They just > want some kind of background noise coming from their radio. They don't > have > the time to actually listen to a story. It's a shame....... > > Mike > Article: 324933 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130467531.001258.60610@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Radio won't stay tuned...how can I fix Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:57:01 GMT In all fairness, I have the 96 fifty without SW...the tuning pot is like others I have seen on 1960s or 70s table sets...like the GT&E Sylvania I have...the pot seems to have two gangs, on for AM and one for FM, and in my case the FM is crap on both of my sets but the AM is fine. Both need the volume pot cleaned also. I'm not so sure that pots are at fault as much as an out of spec capacitor etc in the IF that is shared by all three. It can't be an audio amp problem if retuning restores the signal temporarily IMO (such as it is), but the AVC maybe? Spraying won't cure it, it needs parts too. These guys know more than I do about the set, but never ask them to rate a washing machine. "philsvintageradios" wrote in message news:ig63m1127esoosf94tcqnm5fb0gp8a67ok@4ax.com... > the easiyest way might be to replace it :) > phil > > On 27 Oct 2005 19:45:31 -0700, vincent_nascone@yahoo.com wrote: > > >I have Sony ICF-9660W tabletop radio. Excellent working order except > >tuner fades after a few minutes and I have to keep retuning...there > >must be a way to fix or clean some thing on the inside. All > >suggestions and knowledge welcome thanks! > Article: 324935 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: bstanton Subject: Re: Old components - worth anything? Date: 28 Oct 2005 08:14:01 -0500 Message-ID: <4t84m19rnphbaqkad912hospev984j6c4f@4ax.com> References: <2te2m1de55pp0dnrnnocj4rfdjan95lu5r@4ax.com> "Phil Nelson" wrote: >Selenium rectifiers and paper/wax capacitors have little value, whether >they're new in the original factory box or removed from old equipment. Radio >restorers routinely pull them out and replace them with safer, more reliable >equivalents. Even if never used, they are not good. Would you chuck out all the older capacitors and selenium rectifiers at least? How about transistors in the small metal cans with a tab marking the emitter. (Is transistor a dirty word here?) Some are germanium. I suspect the box of indicator lights (green/red)plastic are probably useful to some. Most of this stuff is '50's to '70's, so this may not be the right spot to ask these questions A lot of this stuff came out of scientific/military and test equipment from that period. Granddad liked to buy old equipment and salvage it from a military contractor. I recall the "family story" of when they called him to ask about some multimillion dollar equipment that accidentally was sold at salvage. He said they could have it back, but he'd already disassembled it. Article: 324936 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: making dial covers: any hints? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:37:16 -0400 Thinking of a winter project to make some plastic dials for a few radios I have. I'm putting a couple of pictures on the binaries from a Canadian eBay seller of his mold. What should I look for in plastic (type, thickness), and where might I find it? I won't need more than a few, so I'm not looking to buy a 4'X8' sheet. Also, for those of you who have done this work, I'd love to hear your "process"... -- Regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 324937 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:49:57 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: making dial covers: any hints? References: Message-ID: <479b3$43622c87$4232bd8b$20376@COQUI.NET> Buck Frobisher wrote: > Thinking of a winter project to make some plastic dials for a few radios I > have. I'm putting a couple of pictures on the binaries from a Canadian > eBay seller of his mold. > > What should I look for in plastic (type, thickness), and where might I find > it? I won't need more than a few, so I'm not looking to buy a 4'X8' sheet. .020 vivak at www.micromark.com http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=81336 GL, Bill Article: 324938 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130503001.721880.117530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:32:01 GMT "Porky" wrote in message news:1130503001.721880.117530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > This is indeed rare, an lengthy OT discussion not labellled as such in > this NG. No body's ever had a Speed Queen washer? The kind that spins > the water out the top of the inner tub? I just retired a 1978 model > this summer, the center bearing was worn out for the second time. > Bought a Kenmore on terms with fingers crossed. The Speed Queen dryer > will be good for a while yet, and the bearing is easily replaced. > > Now what radios are woth buying? > > John Kogel Any one I fancy. Article: 324939 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1130415369.350130.262330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <7360-4360CBDD-126@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:43:57 GMT In article , exray@coqui.net says... > > >Ken G. wrote: > >> If you really want to sell out then post an asking price . I`m >> interested >> > >Why don't you contact him directly? > Well I did ... and so far no answer back from Mike.. John k9uwa Article: 324940 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "hydebee" Subject: FA LAST 4 HOURS POWER AMP $20 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:18:13 -0400 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5821841421 Article: 324941 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <2te2m1de55pp0dnrnnocj4rfdjan95lu5r@4ax.com> <4t84m19rnphbaqkad912hospev984j6c4f@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Old components - worth anything? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:41:42 -0400 Message-ID: <43624821$0$14238$2c56edd9@news.cablerocket.com> "bstanton" wrote in message > Would you chuck out all the older capacitors and selenium > rectifiers at least? How about transistors in the small > metal cans with a tab marking the emitter. (Is transistor a > dirty word here?) Some are germanium. > I would definately think the older transistors might be of use to someone, especially any that are germanium. Then again just about anything may sell on Ebay, try putting it on in reasonable sized lots. If you have some NOS Sprague black beauty or bumble bee capacitors, (look like a large resistor with color bands) then the audio phools on Ebay would love to give you large wads of cash for them. As mentioned before if the rolls of cotton covered wire are continuous they would likely sell if in good condition. Larry Article: 324942 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "benjamaniac" Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:47:11 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1130415369.350130.262330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <7360-4360CBDD-126@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:NOq8f.491823$_o.379434@attbi_s71... > In article , exray@coqui.net > says... > > > > > >Ken G. wrote: > > > >> If you really want to sell out then post an asking price . I`m > >> interested > >> > > > >Why don't you contact him directly? > > > > Well I did ... and so far no answer back from Mike.. > John k9uwa > Same here...no reply. Ben Article: 324943 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130467531.001258.60610@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130510799.106504.52530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Radio won't stay tuned...how can I fix Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:59:05 GMT It's an AM/FM/SW set, possibly a sister to my ICF-9650W, and mine has 455 kHz/10.7 MHz IF, maybe 3-4 watts amp power into what is probably a 5" full range speaker...lots of bottom and nice highs in the AM alone and it looked like he had full bass and treble controls in addition to the volume. Mine is tagged "Fidelity Radio" with the Sony badge, the 9660 isn't, but it's a decent-sized set indeed (but not bank lobby sized like my National Panasonic though)...;-) Oh yes, I think the power switch is separate from the volume and that adds one switch vs. mine. Google it, it's sorta bland but friendly looking. "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130510799.106504.52530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Is there crackling associated with the drift? And does it drift in one > direction, or back and forth... that is, does the station creep down > (or up) the dial only, or does it go up on one drift and down the next? > > What, if anything, have you done to it, to date? Is it a multiple-band > radio, and if-so, do all or just one band drift? > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 324944 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130415369.350130.262330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <7360-4360CBDD-126@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:03:26 GMT All we got is cold fish lately...need more warm fish. "benjamaniac" wrote in message news:djth5t$ae9g$1@news3.infoave.net... > > "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message > news:NOq8f.491823$_o.379434@attbi_s71... > > In article , exray@coqui.net > > says... > > > > > > > > >Ken G. wrote: > > > > > >> If you really want to sell out then post an asking price . I`m > > >> interested > > >> > > > > > >Why don't you contact him directly? > > > > > > > Well I did ... and so far no answer back from Mike.. > > John k9uwa > > > > Same here...no reply. > Ben > > Article: 324945 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130415369.350130.262330@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <7360-4360CBDD-126@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:04:52 GMT I'm still looking for somebody to make that clock lens...dammit, I've been working on my folks 40th for over a year now...? "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message news:iZr8f.644$ZA3.166386@monger.newsread.com... > All we got is cold fish lately...need more warm fish. > > "benjamaniac" wrote in message > news:djth5t$ae9g$1@news3.infoave.net... > > > > "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message > > news:NOq8f.491823$_o.379434@attbi_s71... > > > In article , exray@coqui.net > > > says... > > > > > > > > > > > >Ken G. wrote: > > > > > > > >> If you really want to sell out then post an asking price . I`m > > > >> interested > > > >> > > > > > > > >Why don't you contact him directly? > > > > > > > > > > Well I did ... and so far no answer back from Mike.. > > > John k9uwa > > > > > > > Same here...no reply. > > Ben > > > > > > Article: 324946 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "kk7iz" Subject: Stewart Warner R-453 portable aircraft radio help wanted Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:44:28 +0200 Message-ID: <07b8823f13759bb1b5cdb92932d2571b@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Radio in question is a Stewart Warner portable Chassis No R-453. It has 8 tubes including at least 1 ea 35Z5. Battery and AC operated, Covers 3 bands, beacon 200-400 kc) , broadcast and 2-7 mcs. Will get full tube lineup then I take it apart. I have been thru every S/W schematic in Riders from Vol 5 thru vol 17 and found nothing similar. Looking for schematic, any service info. Understand it was made for Canadian market. Article: 324947 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: donlk@webtv.net (Gridleak) Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:54:02 -0600 Message-ID: <21515-436273CA-206@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> References: slarose.com or timesavers has all sorts of clock faces. DON AC7PD Article: 324948 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <21515-436273CA-206@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:15:39 GMT If one of those was in Portland, Oregon vicinity, think they said they sold stock to guy in Calif. and that guy never responded or returned a call. I will look for these two meanwhile. -- Free, while supplies last "Gridleak" wrote in message news:21515-436273CA-206@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net... > slarose.com or timesavers has all sorts of clock faces. > > DON > AC7PD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article: 324949 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Hot Rodding the RCA 9T Radio From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:16:47 GMT OK This subject came up a year or so ago when someone put one up on FleaBay that had a tube change to make this radio operate at 50 Mhz. Well a collector friend of ours purchased that radio... nicely done restoration on the chassis I might add ... They changed the Front End RF tube to 6SG7 rather than the original 6K7 tube that RCA used... and yes that made the radio work better at higher frequencies... SORT OF .... at the time Mark Oppat mentioned that he thought the 6J7 Osc tube perhaps had as much or more effect on whether the radio worked up into the 50 Mhz band... well Mark your right on the target on this... with the tube that was in the radio when it arrived... RCA/Cunningham 6J7 metal tube the Osc gradually croaks just a little below 50 Mhz... so I then tried about a dozen other 6J7 tubes.. all metal.. some new... some used.. different brands.. and every one of them was worse than this tube.. a couple so bad that the osc was starting to quit at 30 Mhz.. several that quit at 36 Mhz... so now for my question.......... What tube will operate in the 50 Mhz range with good reliability? Should I put a 6SG7 in place of the OSC 6J7 ?.. or is there a more suitable Octal based tube?... John k9uwa Article: 324950 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: CalBubba Subject: Re: What's worth buying? Date: 28 Oct 2005 14:17:02 -0500 Message-ID: <436278a6$0$258$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> References: <435e66f3$0$186$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <1130503001.721880.117530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Porky wrote: > This is indeed rare, an lengthy OT discussion not labellled as such in > this NG. Begging your pardon, John, but the Subject line that I began this with said, "OT: What's worth buying?" The intention was that we've batted around the deficiencies in modern products so often that I wanted to hear the opposite: what's still good. The topic has most often revoloved around washing machines, but electronics is in there too -- not only regarding modern home entertainment, but even in the control systems of those same washing machines. > Now what radios are woth buying? > > John Kogel > Not much now that I can think of. I've heard nice things about little Sangean shortwave portables. But I don't know how good they are -- how repairable or durable. CalBubba Article: 324951 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Philco birdies and a Rider Chanalyst References: <_n88f.14810$vk1.14553@dukeread04> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:24:10 GMT Great, so did you ever determine the cause or did it just go away? These types of problems have to be the toughest ones to solve. Ken wrote: > Happy to report, put it back together, no birdies, VERY sensitive and > very stable. This one has the RF amp. The 48-460 look alike dropped the > RF amp and added a secone IF amp, RC coupled. Otherwise about the same > ckt. Would this make it more sensitive? Where is the best place to put > gain for sensitivity? Ken > > Ken wrote: > >> Bringing a 46-420 back to life and noticed birdies when tuning. I >> assumed an oscillating IF and looked around with a scope to no avail. >> Then I grabbed my seldome used Chanalyst, defeated the lo, tuned >> around and got a wopping signal around 455kc. This set has the 7C7 RF >> amp, otherwise an AC/DC AA5. Trouble is, this is a very stubborn >> oscillation. I can lessen it, but nothing will stop it. Anyone fought >> a tough one of these and won? Tips accepted, Ken >> > Article: 324952 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Hot Rodding the RCA 9T Radio From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1130528841.856815.73980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:15:52 GMT In article <1130528841.856815.73980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, menwagoh@msn.com says... > > >You might want to read the notes on page 108 of the 3rd Edition >Radiotron Designer's Handbook concerning 6L7/6J7 combo. Maybe your >circuit needs to be brought up to specs. > Don't have that book to read.... John k9uwa Article: 324953 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <21515-436273CA-206@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:54:38 GMT I have made several calls when I shouldn't even be spending so much telephone money, and it's about useful as Edsel parts and clear as mud. Same way it's been for months. It's crap. It's just an approximately 4 inch square bulged dialglass. These folks and Google could make more sense. -- Free, while supplies last "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message news:vNu8f.657$ZA3.168569@monger.newsread.com... > If one of those was in Portland, Oregon vicinity, think they said they sold > stock to guy in Calif. and that guy never responded or returned a call. I > will look for these two meanwhile. > > -- > > Free, while supplies last > "Gridleak" wrote in message > news:21515-436273CA-206@storefull-3332.bay.webtv.net... > > slarose.com or timesavers has all sorts of clock faces. > > > > DON > > AC7PD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article: 324954 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130528841.856815.73980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130540292.351127.136630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Hot Rodding the RCA 9T Radio Message-ID: <39y8f.671$ZA3.171322@monger.newsread.com> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:05:35 GMT THANK YOU MOST KINDLY! -- Free, while supplies last "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:1130540292.351127.136630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > > Don't have that book to read.... > > Google to the rescue, if you can wait for a 16MB download > > http://www.pmillett.com/tecnical_books_online.htm > > Scroll down for link. I'm downloading it now. > > paul > Article: 324955 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert Caston" Subject: Sam's Photofacts Request RCA 45-EY-1 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 23:48:09 GMT If any of you guys have a copy of the Sam's Photofacts for an RCA 45-EY-1, I am interested. Original or copy is fine. Thanks, Robert Article: 324956 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "40zeffer" Subject: zenith cobra motor speeds up Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:54:56 +0200 Message-ID: <29b57d188b824b2b665559aadb79c4df@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> hi guys, i replaced a burned out motor on a zenith demonstrator, simple off/on motor..with a motor from a similar 46/47 unit except with automatic functions...it is a single speed same idler size ..original had simpe 2 wire powered motor..replacement has 4 wires..my problem is..this thing speeds up as it warms up..78 rpm for about 1 song..then 80-83...i tried a big wirewound ceramic resistor..no better.. jeff Article: 324957 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: making dial covers: any hints? Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:58:11 -0600 Message-ID: <13384-4362BB13-439@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: My molds look much like those in your picture . I use a heat gun so the outer part of the mold works better is its ticker . Put the center part of the mold on the bench ,plastic on top then outer mold on that . Clamp it down both sides with those huge wooden clamps then start swirling the heat gun over the plastic and clamp more as you go . Sanding the top eges of the center mold piece makes the new cover rounded and causes the whole face of it to curve out . Article: 324958 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Ping Scott McAuley re Clough-Brengle item Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:59:33 -0600 Message-ID: <13384-4362BB65-440@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: <1130345199.671787.233280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> What is ping ? Article: 324959 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: And yet another different use for an old radio... Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:07:11 -0600 Message-ID: <13384-4362BD2F-442@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: I like the idea and easier to operate than a computer . I would choose diferent colors though i`m not into kindergarden / day care colors ! Article: 324960 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Repwood restoration techniques? Message-ID: References: <6s43m1pcp5t4isi3eu7qa3mg2dk61l211d@4ax.com> <1130470457.524484.145900@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <996dnUGdL84oNPzeRVn-jA@giganews.com> <1130501206.691716.283110@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:28:50 GMT Another possibility might be to take the repwood parts to a facility that does soda blasting. That process is safe to strip paint off fiberglass car bodies like Corvettes. Try a scrap or damaged piece first, though. Gordon Richmond Article: 324961 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: philsvintageradios Subject: Re: making dial covers: any hints? Message-ID: References: <479b3$43622c87$4232bd8b$20376@COQUI.NET> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:48:31 GMT I only made one, but now I am not scared to make my own, here's what I did..... the plastic shop here supplied me with a piece about 2 feet square for two bucks. .020 thick. it comes with thin plastic film on both sides. I just used a blowtorch. put the wood block with the hole down, then the plastic sheet on top, then the plug on top of that. trim the edge about a half inch big all around. heat round and round and round , moving quickly quickly quickly... till it gets mealty, then push the plug down into the hole. - ok a heat gun might work better, but I didn't want to buy one. note: the face isn't heated, ( so not distorted) and the protective plastic is removed after molding so it isn't scuffed. that worked but I wasn't happy with the contour, I wanted an exact fit. it goes into a metal escutcheon so... I wrapped that with black tape the plug inside the escutcheon ( trimmed to within 1/8th all around) . filled the remaining space with epoxy. let dry . next I popped the metal escutcheon off. epoxy doesen't stick to black tape so that came apart easy. I wrapped the edge of my now perfectly formed plug, again with black tape, about five times around, this gives the.020" gap. put the wood plug in the hole, ( again trimmed it a little) now filled the gap between the inner plug and the outer hole with epoxy. I now had a perfectly formed male and female die, which produced a dial cover with a nice tight fit. It took a few tries and I was glad I had enough material to experiment with. hint - buy extra, it's cheap. It worked fine in the end. the epoxy did get a bit messed up from the heat ( it wasn't really cured either) when I used it, but stood up long enough for what I needed. when finished, you can trim the edge nicely, and remove the protective film. Let us know how you make out and what methods you end up with.. good luck ! Phil On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:38:29 -0400, in alt.binaries.pictures.radio you wrote: >Thinking of a winter project to make some plastic dials for a few radios I >have. Here are a couple of pictures from a Canadian eBay seller of his >mold. > >What should I look for in plastic (type, thickness), and where might I find >it? I won't need more than a few, so I'm not looking to buy a 4'X8' sheet. > >Also, for those of you who have done this work, I'd love to hear your >"process"... Article: 324962 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Hot Rodding the RCA 9T Radio From: "xrongor" Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:58:00 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1130528841.856815.73980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130540292.351127.136630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:1130540292.351127.136630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > John Goller, k9uwa wrote: >> Don't have that book to read.... > > Google to the rescue, if you can wait for a 16MB download > > http://www.pmillett.com/tecnical_books_online.htm > > Scroll down for link. I'm downloading it now. wow, thats quite a nice little collection of literature there... randy Article: 324963 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130345199.671787.233280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <13384-4362BB65-440@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Ping Scott McAuley re Clough-Brengle item Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 01:16:00 GMT An old term from telnet. It refers to a call on the network to determine network speed in milliseconds for a transmission and return signal from the other server. It's like the old trick of 'bouncing' off the moon but for diagnostic purposes. -- Free, while supplies last "Ken G." wrote in message news:13384-4362BB65-440@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net... > What is ping ? > Article: 324964 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark S" References: <1130462952.209189.158690@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <5efbf$43619a85$4232bd3f$19372@COQUI.NET> Subject: Re: Somewhere a Buick is without seat covers Message-ID: <08A8f.2681$AS6.2179@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 01:21:00 GMT "Bill" wrote in message news:5efbf$43619a85$4232bd3f$19372@COQUI.NET... > William R. Walsh wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Hmm...I don't think that the grille cloth is the end of the world, if >> that's >> what you are talking about. >> >> At least they didn't do anything that looks to be totally irreversible. >> >> William >> >> > > Yeah, but that model would still be a butt-ugly radio even with nice > grille cloth. > > -Bill Hmmm.... Even with a giant wooden "Z" bolted to the grill? Article: 324965 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Ping Scott McAuley re Clough-Brengle item Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:39:58 -0600 Message-ID: References: <1130345199.671787.233280@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <13384-4362BB65-440@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> <71i5m1l2j4umu1uv8v9p10buguputlo0n9@4ax.com> "philsvintageradios" wrote in message news:71i5m1l2j4umu1uv8v9p10buguputlo0n9@4ax.com... > On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:59:33 -0600, goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) wrote: > >>What is ping ? > > if you ping an ip adress of a computer you are connected to it will > return with a reply , type "ping" followed by computer name or ip > adress. > > maybe it came from submarines? ...make a ping sound and "listen" for a > reply from any nearby object.. those old black and white movies with > submarines come to mind.. yup. thats exactly where it came from. sonar. randy Article: 324966 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130549268.307869.260460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wonder why he didn't list these separately? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 01:45:11 GMT Dan , I'm interested in two of them, the one on top of the Emud with the round dial, and the set left of the Emud (or the Germn looking one). Does anybody want to pool and have someone pick them up to send individual sets? -- Free, while supplies last "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1130549268.307869.260460@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > I'd be interested in the Knight alone. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6573804609&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting > Article: 324967 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: Q. on few caps in a TV Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 20:49:23 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1130512068.761800.127160@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 28 Oct 2005 08:07:48 -0700 "frenchy" wrote: >This 1961 tv is working good after recap of all the electrolytics and a >few papers, but I am wondering about a couple of types of caps in it - >two 'elmenco' 1600v and 2000v yellow tubular caps, and a few old orange >sprague 'orange-drop' type ones (look like either originals or old >replacements, dull, not shiny like new drops). Would either of these >be suspect as to be changed like paper ones or should I just forget >about em like I am all of the shiny brown drops in there that I'm >leaving alone? Those are probably all fine. I'd leave them alone. They are mylar caps and they don't tend to develop problems with age, unlike the paper insulated caps. - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- Article: 324968 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Hot Rodding the RCA 9T Radio Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 22:20:41 -0400 "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:zOu8f.282469$084.207217@attbi_s22... > OK This subject came up a year or so ago when someone put one up on > FleaBay that had a tube change to make this radio operate at 50 Mhz. > > > John k9uwa > John The problem is the oscillator going out of oscillation. I had the same problem with my 10T, and never could find a proper fix for it. Yet, I've seen other radios work up past 60 mc. without problem. I decreased the dropping resistor supplies B+ to the oscillator tube--that got mine going across the full band, but I suspect I might be stressing the tube a bit in the process. Someone suggested it might be moisture getting into the phenolic bandswitch? Peter Article: 324969 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Selenium Rectifier From: lherault@bu.edu Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 02:30:25 GMT Message-ID: <4362de09_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> The RCA Victor SHF-9 phonograph that I am preparing to re-cap has a selenium rectifier. How can one tell if it is OK? The unit hums but there is a detectable signal from the cartridge. Thanks for your help. Ron L Article: 324970 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Saul Rabinowitz Subject: Re: zenith cobra motor speeds up References: <29b57d188b824b2b665559aadb79c4df@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 02:55:12 GMT 40zeffer wrote: > hi guys, i replaced a burned out motor on a zenith demonstrator, simple > off/on motor..with a motor from a similar 46/47 unit except with > automatic functions...it is a single speed same idler size ..original had > simpe 2 wire powered motor..replacement has 4 wires..my problem is..this > thing speeds up as it warms up..78 rpm for about 1 song..then 80-83...i > tried a big wirewound ceramic resistor..no better.. > jeff > It is common for phono motors to gain speed as they warm up. It's also common for phonos like this to run off speed, especially fast. They weren't designed by people who cared that much. 83 rpm is not a lot as these things go. Using a lighter oil will allow the motor to reach speed quicker. I don't know whether your motor is 2 pole or 4 pole. 4 pole motors maintain speed over a fairly wide voltage range, so if you're going to bring it down with resistance, you'll have to use a large enough resistor. I'm going to guess that your speed won't begin to drop above 80 volts. If it's a changer, bear in mind that the unit was intended to work with a stack of records, and it would run slower with the weight of 6 records on it. Just my 2 cents. Somebody else may have some actual experience with your stuff. Saul Article: 324971 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" References: <1130394016.972767.259270@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Midwest termite damage Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:39:06 -0700 Bondo is harder then the wood, thus its hard to sand it down and get it to feather in. There are epoxy wood repair things, but I would think that the same is true. Id try a little bondo on a scrap 1 by and see how well it works... sorry I dont have a real answer (just dont ask how I know bondo doesnt work well on wood!!!) Bob in phx wrote in message news:1130394016.972767.259270@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > I'm looking at a model 18-36's cabinet. Top right fron 'hip' eaten > thru > with maze of diny holes. Mud residue remains there > > Wonder if anyone has just made a patch with bondo or epoxy. > Fortunatelu > 'hip' is/was painted & fix would be hard to see. Also cabinet is > long dried out & no evidence of hungry critters remains > > Thanks! > > Marty > Article: 324972 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" References: Subject: Re: Antique record players Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:41:12 -0700 Wow!!! I want the second one. Do you have any info on that one???? Bob in phx "Warren Weber" wrote in message news:zPGdnd-DBOjmTv_eRVn-pQ@bresnan.com... > > "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message > news:NEg8f.12748$Nj3.1084326@news20.bellglobal.com... >> "Warren Weber" wrote in message >> news:jsidnUn7U_MVFfzenZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@bresnan.com... >>>A friend has almost 100 antique record players. He had the collection in >>>his basement. They are now on loan to the city museum. Currently about >>>1/3 of them are displayed. In a year the next 1/3 will be displayed. I >>>was able to photograph the ones now on display. Each photo runs from 1 to >>>3 MB file size. I could cut them down to about 150 KB each and put them >>>on ABPR if any one is interested, but at a loss of detail. If I kept each >>>entry to about 500KB would this be OK for ABPR viewing. Or if you want >>>to see them in person, they are at Royal Gorge Regional Museum & >>>History Center. Located In Canon City, Colorado. 612 Royal Gorge Blvd. >>>Warren >> >> With a ~150k file size, you should get a fine quality of pictures for >> viewing online. Plus, more people will be able to see them (access >> speed). >> >> The 1-3meg ones are only needed if you would like people to be able to >> print out large versions. >> >> cheers, >> Frank > > Here are some for starters, (on ABPR) more if asked for. Warren > Article: 324973 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Selenium Rectifier From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <4362de09_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> Message-ID: <1xE8f.489989$x96.77467@attbi_s72> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:20:46 GMT In article , me@that.ten says... > > >Just assume all seleniums are defective and replace it with a modern diode. yup they all quit sooner or later.... and when they do... they stink and that stuff they say causes cancer... I remember several of them stinking up the place 40 years ago.... I don't have the big C yet!.. John k9uwa Article: 324974 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Zenith Speaker Needed From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1130495318.811111.203770@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1130559865.334282.260560@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:23:17 GMT In article <1130559865.334282.260560@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, n9vu@yahoo.com says... > > >> Would it be the same size as a speaker from a 6S-254 console? Zenith 6s254 IS a 10 inch speaker... John k9uwa Article: 324975 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: AK-60 and Halloween Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:49:37 GMT I suppose some of you may be getting a bit tired of my posts regarding the AK-60 I obtained and fixed up. However lately I've been spending a great deal of time listening to this radio while working in the shop. I listen to either news-talk WSRQ, or to OTR through my AMT-3000 and a CD player that reads MP3. Now -- this radio indeed has a tad of distortion which we all seem to agree is inherent in this model. Distortion was much worse originally, but a recap -- particularly the first audio coupler, made a whopping difference. Aside from that, I am actually blown away by how clear the sound is from this radio. Being a set made in 1929 with 4 TRF stages, an AC power supply, and a dynamic speaker, I'm really impressed by the "silence" of this set. There is positively no hum, no hiss, and no background noise whatsoever except for stations in the distance. This, with the audio amp wide open -- the volume control adjusts the screens of the RF tubes, not the audio itself. When listening to OTR, sometimes I get a phone call. I simply stop the program by hitting the pause button on the CD player -- sort of a Tivo for radio. When I do this, the radio is so silent you would not know it's turned on! On the other hand, with Wilma churning its way toward Florida, I've been listening to the news. Quiet as it may be, a storm is one instance where the lack of AVC clearly shows. Snap! Crackle! Pop! Time to reach for the FM set . . . All things considered, it's a fun radio. Now -- here's an idea that could start a thread. Halloween is coming. When trick-or-treaters come calling, I've found it futile to keep answering the door. It's cumbersome, toads and lizards try to come in, and the cats (yes, one is black) try to get out. Far better to relax in the garage and let the kids walk in and out. I've thought about trying to decorate the garage. Of course just cleaning it is a futile effort. Still, I have one rather neat effect that's built-in -- the garage door opener with light-beam sensor. I like to sit in the dark and watch the kids go up and down the street. As they walk into the garage, they break the beam and a light comes on by itself -- startling them at times. It might be cute to cover some of the junk with sheets, then place this AK-60 on the bench out there. I'd also love to set up some vintage test equipment, but I no longer have much that would light up and be that impressive. I do however have shelves full of junk car radios and parts, so maybe if lighted the right way and enhanced by a little rearranging, my "shop" could be given a bit of a spooky appearance. I'll have that A-K radio sitting behind me in the semi-dark, with the single dial light glowing, bellowing out the Shadow, Dark Fantasy, Inner Sanctum, and the like. I suspect that most of the kids, and even many of the parents, have never seen a radio like this in the flesh -- let alone hear it play. I'm curious to know if anyone else has ever tried something like this . . . -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 324976 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Hot Rodding the RCA 9T Radio From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 06:28:39 GMT In article , radioconnectionNO@cox.netSPAM says... > > > >"John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message >news:zOu8f.282469$084.207217@attbi_s22... >> OK This subject came up a year or so ago when someone put one up on >> FleaBay that had a tube change to make this radio operate at 50 Mhz. >> >> > John k9uwa >John > >The problem is the oscillator going out of oscillation. I had the same >problem with my 10T, and never could find a proper fix for it. Yet, I've >seen other radios work up past 60 mc. without problem. I decreased >the dropping resistor supplies B+ to the oscillator tube--that got mine >going across the full band, but I suspect I might be stressing the tube >a bit in the process. Someone suggested it might be moisture getting >into the phenolic bandswitch? > >Peter > > Yup that was the question I asked was the OSC... it would quit at different frequenices depending on which 6J7 tube was in it with the best of about a dozen tubes getting it up to maybe 45 Mhz or so... First I might add that this radio had everything in it right to spec before I opened it up... all new flame proof resistors.. all new caps.. Even some of the sic.. mica thingies that RCA used.. I did the rest of them... Not A Problem now.......... Radio Rips right up to Channel 2 TV .. Now the Osc which is off the end of the dial anyway...seems to begin to die about 62 Mhz ........ Tube Change.... 6SG7 in the Osc.. If you go look at some toob manual information they talk about a 6J7 tube being a Fine Audio Toob ....... sure perked this old radio right up to switch the osc tube to 6sg7 and the one I stuffed in it isn't even a new one.... John k9uwa Article: 324977 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Marko" Subject: cheap Motorola germaniums Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 04:48:57 -0500 Message-ID: <43634451$0$10625$a726171b@news.hal-pc.org> Need some new Motorola germanium transistors? Most are 1 to 3 dollars. This is a very good selection including TO-3. Search "Motorola HEP" on ebay and then look in the ebay store. I would have posted the link, but it may not have worked. These are new Motorola, but the seller says he doesn't have any data, or something to that effect. The HEP (replacements like NTE, but Motorola from the 1960s) packages should have the data on the back. HEP was Motorola's replacement line that went down in the late 70s or therabouts. Probably because they went to new part numbers and screwed the cross-reference up somewhat. These are the old 3-digit numbers. New numbers were 5-digit. These are made by Motorola. They have HEP numbers on them. An NTE crossref will give you an idea of what they are. Look under HEPxxx. Back to work , Mark. Article: 324978 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <4362de09_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <1130557916.642795.207850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Selenium Rectifier Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:17:32 -0400 "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1130557916.642795.207850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I wouldn't trust the selenium rectifier. Replace it with a modern > silicon diode like 1N4003 and then use a resistor (20-30 ohms, 5 > -10watt) ahead of it to make up the lower resistance thru the 1N4003. > A 1N4003 would be grossly underrated for this use; it is only rated for 200 volts peak inverse voltage. 125 VAC line voltage would have a PIV of 213 volts. The real kicker is the filter capacitor--figure a charge voltage of 140 volts. If you look at the filter, diode, and AC voltage as being a series circuit-- which it is--you'll see the total PIV developed across the diode is over 350 volts. 1N4007 diodes only cost a few pennies each. Pete Article: 324979 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Grunow 1291 (12W chassis) circuit question Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: <0737m1ltbhhnbeq9ta1b404te54kbdtq2o@4ax.com> I am working on one of these and initially thought that it would be a piece of cake because of the ample room in this chassis (as compared to the jammed up Philco that awaits). However, I have discovered that someone has been here before me and made some modifications. So I have to sort out what is Grunow and what is mystery person. There is a series R-C hung from the B+line to chassis that I am unsure about. They do not show up on the Rider's schematic but appear to be original vintage components. R is a 1/2 watt resistor that is charred and broken in half in series with a paper capacitor of unknown value. It is the paper cap that makes me think it is original because it looks like all the other caps in the unit and the connections, especially at the chassis appear original. This series combo is physically connected where the two 68K plate resistors for the audio drive tubes connect to the B+ line. I cannot imagine the purpose of this R-C circuit. High frequency filtering on the B+ line? Why would that be needed? Does anyone know if this circuit is original? If so, what are the values of the R and the C? TIA John Article: 324980 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Grunow 1291 (12W chassis) circuit question References: <0737m1ltbhhnbeq9ta1b404te54kbdtq2o@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:31:32 -0400 Which comp., R or C, goes to gnd? Ken John Bachman wrote: > I am working on one of these and initially thought that it would be a > piece of cake because of the ample room in this chassis (as compared > to the jammed up Philco that awaits). However, I have discovered that > someone has been here before me and made some modifications. So I > have to sort out what is Grunow and what is mystery person. > > There is a series R-C hung from the B+line to chassis that I am unsure > about. They do not show up on the Rider's schematic but appear to be > original vintage components. R is a 1/2 watt resistor that is charred > and broken in half in series with a paper capacitor of unknown value. > It is the paper cap that makes me think it is original because it > looks like all the other caps in the unit and the connections, > especially at the chassis appear original. > > This series combo is physically connected where the two 68K plate > resistors for the audio drive tubes connect to the B+ line. > > I cannot imagine the purpose of this R-C circuit. High frequency > filtering on the B+ line? Why would that be needed? > > Does anyone know if this circuit is original? If so, what are the > values of the R and the C? > > TIA > > John > Article: 324981 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: Grunow 1291 (12W chassis) circuit question Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 10:41:36 -0500 Message-ID: References: <0737m1ltbhhnbeq9ta1b404te54kbdtq2o@4ax.com> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:31:32 -0400, Ken wrote: >Which comp., R or C, goes to gnd? Ken C is connected to the chassis. R is between C and B+. John > >John Bachman wrote: > >> I am working on one of these and initially thought that it would be a >> piece of cake because of the ample room in this chassis (as compared >> to the jammed up Philco that awaits). However, I have discovered that >> someone has been here before me and made some modifications. So I >> have to sort out what is Grunow and what is mystery person. >> >> There is a series R-C hung from the B+line to chassis that I am unsure >> about. They do not show up on the Rider's schematic but appear to be >> original vintage components. R is a 1/2 watt resistor that is charred >> and broken in half in series with a paper capacitor of unknown value. >> It is the paper cap that makes me think it is original because it >> looks like all the other caps in the unit and the connections, >> especially at the chassis appear original. >> >> This series combo is physically connected where the two 68K plate >> resistors for the audio drive tubes connect to the B+ line. >> >> I cannot imagine the purpose of this R-C circuit. High frequency >> filtering on the B+ line? Why would that be needed? >> >> Does anyone know if this circuit is original? If so, what are the >> values of the R and the C? >> >> TIA >> >> John >> Article: 324982 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Grunow 1291 (12W chassis) circuit question References: <0737m1ltbhhnbeq9ta1b404te54kbdtq2o@4ax.com> Message-ID: <2PM8f.2661$Jo3.1183@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:46:06 GMT John Bachman wrote: > On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:31:32 -0400, Ken wrote: > > >>Which comp., R or C, goes to gnd? Ken > > > C is connected to the chassis. R is between C and B+. > > John Sounds like they might have had some audio feedback problems, and attemped to solve it with a quick decoupling network rather than find the real cause. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 324983 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: Grunow 1291 (12W chassis) circuit question Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:16:50 -0500 Message-ID: References: <0737m1ltbhhnbeq9ta1b404te54kbdtq2o@4ax.com> <2PM8f.2661$Jo3.1183@tornado.socal.rr.com> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:46:06 GMT, Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > >John Bachman wrote: >> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:31:32 -0400, Ken wrote: >> >> >>>Which comp., R or C, goes to gnd? Ken >> >> >> C is connected to the chassis. R is between C and B+. >> >> John > >Sounds like they might have had some audio feedback problems, >and attemped to solve it with a quick decoupling network >rather than find the real cause. > That would sure explain the lack of documentation of a last minute circuit patch. John Article: 324984 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Registered User Subject: Re: Midwest termite damage Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:29:16 -0400 Message-ID: <6687m1pqvmucf6948brhjev78p4i7pqo23@4ax.com> References: <1130394016.972767.259270@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 09:27:13 -0400, Tom Adkins wrote: >Bob in Phx wrote: >> Bondo is harder then the wood, thus its hard to sand it down and get it to >> feather in. There are epoxy wood repair things, but I would think that the >> same is true. Id try a little bondo on a scrap 1 by and see how well it >> works... sorry I dont have a real answer (just dont ask how I know bondo >> doesnt work well on wood!!!) >> >> Bob in phx > The trick to using plastic body filler is to apply thin layers. There are rasp-like tools that can be used shape the filler as it cures. Obviously the rate of cure depends upon the amount of catalyst used. > Actually, there are many types of "bondo". The stuff available at K-Mart, Wal Mart, >etc. is actually about in the middle as far as hardness. The filler used for finish >work before paint is much softer and sands very easily. Check with an auto parts store >that caters to Body Shops, or better yet, stop in at a local Body Shop and ask what >they would use. They might even give you a little bit to try out. There is a product >called Icing (maybe made by USG) that may work well for this repair. Perhaps you mean spot putty. With proper wet-sanding very little is needed. Spot putties are available in small tubes and are not expensive. 73 de n4jvp Fritz Article: 324985 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Repwood restoration techniques? Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:02:49 +0100 Message-ID: References: Repwood is made of fine sawdust and water-soluble hide glue; it is still available for historic architectural interior uses. Acetone should work quite well for stripping without damage, but do a sample first. A typical 1930's table radio can be stripped easily in 15 minutes with acetone. -Pete O. Article: 324986 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Midwest termite damage References: <1130394016.972767.259270@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1130604380.996074.135560@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:01:08 GMT bc191f@gmail.com wrote: > Y'all. I just mentioned Bondo as a possibility. Is there another wood > filler that's been used in such an instance? I've had good luck with Elmer's Wood putty in the plastic tube. It's a lot easier to deal with than buying a can and having it cook off before you use it the second time. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 324987 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Midwest termite damage Message-ID: References: <1130394016.972767.259270@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:06:23 GMT There is a host of products designed for the restoration of damaged wood. Try going here: They sell quality woodworking and gardening tools as well as supplies, finishes, etc. NO. I don't work for them; I do shop there from time to time, and it would be the first place I'd look for wood finishing materials. Gordon Richmond Article: 324988 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <479b3$43622c87$4232bd8b$20376@COQUI.NET> <1130605659.926424.162770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: making dial covers: any hints? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:17:31 GMT Aye, That's Eddie...we know him well ;-) -- Free, while supplies last "David" wrote in message news:1130605659.926424.162770@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hi, here is a site that explains how to make your own dial covers. > http://members.aol.com/EB062559/DIALCOVERS.html > > David > Article: 324989 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Zenith Speaker Needed Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:11:06 -0600 Message-ID: <17465-4363AD2A-100@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: I have found any parts for Zenith accept reproduction knobs and glass are almost impossible to find . Article: 324990 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:13:15 -0500 Message-ID: <8130-4363ADAB-144@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: MY OPERATION IS STILL ONGOING. I HAVE TURNED THE ENTIRE OPERATION OVER TO MY SON WHOSE ADDRESS IS LISTED ON MY WEBSITE. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. From adouglasatgis.net Sun Oct 30 09:16:57 EST 2005 Article: 324991 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Selenium Rectifier Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:24:15 -0400 Organization: http://newsguy.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <4362de09_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <1130557916.642795.207850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-999.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.glorb.com!nntpfeed.manyone.net!pln-e!spln!lex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news3 Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:324991 Hi, > How can one tell if it is OK? If it makes a clunk as it hits the bottom of the trash can, it was bad. An arcing selenium rectifier generates hydrogen selenide gas, which attacks nasal and bronchial passages. It is considered very toxic, like its cousin hydrogen sulfide, but its irritant effect generally prevents inhaling too much. Alan Article: 324992 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Grunow 1291 (12W chassis) circuit question References: <0737m1ltbhhnbeq9ta1b404te54kbdtq2o@4ax.com> <2PM8f.2661$Jo3.1183@tornado.socal.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:52:20 -0400 But the decoupling network had no load off of it??? Was it hooked to something that has been disconnecter? John, can you tell the value of the cap? I can't see an RC ckt like that affecting anything on the B+ line, but I'm sure the cap is shorted. Could the resistor be a choke instead? Ken Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > > John Bachman wrote: > >> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 11:31:32 -0400, Ken wrote: >> >> >>> Which comp., R or C, goes to gnd? Ken >> >> >> >> C is connected to the chassis. R is between C and B+. >> >> John > > > Sounds like they might have had some audio feedback problems, > and attemped to solve it with a quick decoupling network > rather than find the real cause. > > Jeff > Article: 324993 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve P." Subject: Need help ID'ing Victor Victrola Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:59:09 -0500 Message-ID: <11m7e3dmcq6el8d@corp.supernews.com> Bought a little Victrola portable for $60 earlier today. It's in very nice condition and appears to have a leatherette covering over wood. The front case has a horizontal grille design. Has a Victrola No 2 reproducer and Victrola label, but can't find a model number plate. Looks like a smaller cheaper version of the Victrola 50. Just posted a pic over at news:alt.binaries.pictures.radio. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Steve P. Joplin, MO kawninja@nospam.cableone.net Article: 324994 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve P." Subject: Re: Antique record players Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 13:56:07 -0500 Message-ID: <11m7he7c8d58ma7@corp.supernews.com> References: That is one awesome looking collection... almost makes me want to drive a few hours west to see it. I'd sure like to see that talking scale in action. Royal Gorge is also a sight to see. Definitely not a place for one afraid of heights... "Warren Weber" wrote in message news:jsidnUn7U_MVFfzenZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@bresnan.com... >A friend has almost 100 antique record players. He had the collection in >his basement. They are now on loan to the city museum. Article: 324995 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:06:48 -0700 Message-ID: <26604-4363C848-53@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> References: <8130-4363ADAB-144@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Always good to hear from you Bill. Best regards Bill(oc) Article: 324996 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:07:57 -0700 Message-ID: <5098-4363C88D-329@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: <8130-4363ADAB-144@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Always good to hear from you Bill. Best regards Bill(oc) Article: 324997 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <4362de09_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <1130557916.642795.207850@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Selenium Rectifier Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:20:20 GMT sniffed that S^^^, brother... -- Free, while supplies last "Alan Douglas" wrote in message news:okb7m1pp5oj1vhlbeqkprjrb72bkujlvml@4ax.com... > Hi, > > > How can one tell if it is OK? > > If it makes a clunk as it hits the bottom of the trash can, it was > bad. > > An arcing selenium rectifier generates hydrogen selenide gas, which > attacks nasal and bronchial passages. It is considered very toxic, > like its cousin hydrogen sulfide, but its irritant effect generally > prevents inhaling too much. > > Alan Article: 324998 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <17465-4363AD2A-100@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <1130613307.237170.290190@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith Speaker Needed Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:24:41 GMT Maybe we should just throw them away, they ARE impossible to restore, you know... -- Free, while supplies last "RadioGary" wrote in message news:1130613307.237170.290190@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Ken G. wrote: > > I have found any parts for Zenith accept reproduction knobs and glass > > are almost impossible to find . > > You need to look harder. :) > Article: 324999 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Radiola III with no grid leak (early version)? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:54:42 -0400 "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:J6CdnQTOc_gYT_7eRVn-sA@giganews.com... > I have an RCA Radiola III. The schematic in Ed Romney's book shows a grid > leak detector (paralleled capacitor and resistor) between antenna terminal 2 > and the grid of the first tube. > > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/RadiolaIIISchematic.jpg > > An illustration on the next page shows a grid leak capacitor, labeled G. > > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/RadiolaIIIGridLeak.jpg > > My Radiola is missing that component. The upper terminal of capacitor 2 > connects directly to the first tube. > > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/RadiolaIII06.jpg > > http://antiqueradio.org/art/temp/RadiolaIII02.jpg > > Is this an earlier version of the Radiola III minus the grid leak? I haven't > been able to find any schematic showing this or mention of different > versions. > > Thanks for any clues. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html You sure there isn't a resistor inside that cylinder?? IIRC, it was a one-piece assembly, but it's been 20 years since I had one open. Ditto for the Westinghouse Sr. Pete > > Article: 325000 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Radiola III with no grid leak (early version)? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 16:25:31 -0400 Nevermind my reply, I misread your question. Pete Article: 325001 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Is this Pye real Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:12:52 -0400 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6574250589 Article: 325002 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "barry jones" Subject: Re: Is this Pye real Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: well it sure looks real to me! regards barry mw1fdu "Ken" wrote in message news:BBR8f.4213$LR1.342@dukeread09... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6574250589 > Article: 325003 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: Is this Pye real Message-ID: <35S8f.714$ZA3.183490@monger.newsread.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:46:39 GMT He gets a little mixed up mentioning there are models P and Q then calling a Q a P (I'm sure he was confused at that point). I like you British and your proper phrasing--"I value my eBay reputation", for instance. You don't hear things like that elsewhere, and I like that! -- Free, while supplies last "barry jones" wrote in message news:dk0p8e$60u$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com... > well it sure looks real to me! > regards barry mw1fdu > "Ken" wrote in message > news:BBR8f.4213$LR1.342@dukeread09... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6574250589 > > > > Article: 325004 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: Subject: Re: Is this Pye real Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:02:51 -0500 Message-ID: <4363f193$0$3761$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Someone restored one and posted all the problems he had with it on a website. He says it's Pot Metal City, poorly designed. "barry jones" wrote in message news:dk0p8e$60u$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com... > well it sure looks real to me! > regards barry mw1fdu > "Ken" wrote in message > news:BBR8f.4213$LR1.342@dukeread09... >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6574250589 >> > > Article: 325005 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale References: <8130-4363ADAB-144@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:24:42 GMT Bill Turner wrote: > MY OPERATION IS STILL ONGOING. I HAVE TURNED THE ENTIRE > OPERATION OVER TO MY SON. I'm glad to hear that you have made plans for the future. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 325006 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <17465-4363AD2A-100@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <1130613307.237170.290190@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130622190.944931.10950@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith Speaker Needed Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:34:27 GMT WEE BEE RIBBON KG YAAH peace out LOLOL -- Free, while supplies last "RadioGary" wrote in message news:1130622190.944931.10950@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > OK. Will publish my address on the web. Garbage day is Tuesday in Elk > Grove Village, Ill, so everyone get ready to hit the curb. > > THIS OF COURSE IS A JOKE. > > It's too bad I arrived here in the Chicago area so late. If I arrived > ten years ago I bet it would have been diferent. I remember hearing > stories from fellow collectors about the radios that would be found in > people's front yards during trash day. > > Steven Dinius_ wrote: > > Maybe we should just throw them away, they ARE impossible to restore, you > > know... > > > > -- > > > > Free, while supplies last > > "RadioGary" wrote in message > > news:1130613307.237170.290190@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > Ken G. wrote: > > > > I have found any parts for Zenith accept reproduction knobs and glass > > > > are almost impossible to find . > > > > > > You need to look harder. :) > > > > Article: 325007 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Strange news server behavior Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:38:40 +0900 Message-ID: Anyone else getting posts that are up to a week old? I'm getting current posts, but I'm also getting ones that were actually sent a week ago. This morning, there were several that were posted on the 23rd and 24th that came up.... is it my ISP's newsserver, or some poultrygeist in the works? Article: 325008 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:41:35 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Strange news server behavior References: Message-ID: <980ce$4363faa1$4232bdfe$12090@COQUI.NET> Brenda Ann wrote: > Anyone else getting posts that are up to a week old? I'm getting current > posts, but I'm also getting ones that were actually sent a week ago. This > morning, there were several that were posted on the 23rd and 24th that came > up.... is it my ISP's newsserver, or some poultrygeist in the works? > > > Happens here occasionally also. I blame it on the newsserver. -Bill Article: 325009 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" Subject: Philco 42-1010 Bass control Message-ID: <2DT8f.129521$7b6.105526@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:31:10 GMT While starting to look over the Philco 42-1010 console that I picked up this summer, I noticed that only 1 lug of the bass control is connected to anything. I've yet to test to see if this was a dud control that was bypassed. Neither of the other 2 lugs were ever connected to anything. Photo in binaries. -- Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios Article: 325010 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Selenium Rectifier From: lherault@bu.edu References: <4362de09_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:20:17 GMT Message-ID: <43641f19_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> So, as far as I can tell from this string, if the unit works and the rectifier does not smell, the rectifier is OK but it will fail eventually. I am not an electronics person. I mainly collect/repair wind up phonos but I can remove and replace capacitors. I'll need detailed instructions and a parts list to replace it, or I'll just try to sell it once it works without hum and let it be someone else's problem. Thanks for the help, once again. Ron L Article: 325011 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Radiola III with no grid leak (early version)? From: "Haggis" telus.net> References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:37:13 GMT On 29-Oct-2005, "Phil Nelson" wrote: > I have an RCA Radiola III. The schematic in Ed Romney's book shows a grid > leak detector (paralleled capacitor and resistor) between antenna terminal > 2 > and the grid of the first tube. Phil, I've posted some pictures to the binaries showing the schematic I 'was' using, the sorry remains of a decal and a general view of the area you mention. You'll see my schematic also shows the parallelled r/c, but the resistor is either inside the cap, or open. Mine I suspect, is an early version, before someone figured out that wires, if flexed often enough, break. Most other ones I've seen have the "watch hairspring" arrangement on top of the variometer. FWIW, mine is also painted black (the "economy" model :-)) as can be seen on the picture showing what's left of the decal. Th s/n stamped in bottom of the case is 636692 RCA. Hope this helps some. Cheers!! Haggis. Article: 325012 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Radiola III with no grid leak (early version)? Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:54:51 -0600 Message-ID: <7360-436427EB-533@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: There are 2 versions of the R lll . One has less resistors Article: 325013 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Zenith Speaker Needed Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:11:33 -0600 Message-ID: <7360-43642BD5-538@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: Look where harder ? i was looking for a 6`` Zenith speaker for 2 years on newsgroups and ebay even one with no cone or voice coil . I ask now & then and still have no speaker i had to put something else in the radio I need the face , knobs & dial parts for another very cool Zenith now for another 2? years , I have posted picture of what i need ... i still dont have the parts not one . Yet another Zenith needs a cabinet .. dont have one yet I see numerous posts wanting non knob Zenith parts on newsgroups and sites by many others 99% un-answered . Cant keep the stuff forever . Some of it does get thrown out . Where do you find a 6`` Zenith speaker and case for a Zenith 6S222 cube ? I am to pooped to go look at the other model numbers for other parts .. wiping sweat beads from my forhead :-) Article: 325014 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Radiola III with no grid leak (early version)? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:39:20 -0400 "Haggis telus.net>" wrote in message news:dtV8f.91981$ir4.63824@edtnps90... > > > I've posted some pictures to the binaries showing the schematic I 'was' > using, the sorry remains of a decal and a general view of the area you > mention. > You'll see my schematic also shows the parallelled r/c, but the resistor is > either inside the cap, or open. > Mine I suspect, is an early version, before someone figured out that wires, > if flexed often enough, break. Most other ones I've seen have the "watch > hairspring" arrangement on top of the variometer. FWIW, mine is also > painted black (the "economy" model :-)) as can be seen on the picture > showing what's left of the decal. Th s/n stamped in bottom of the case is > 636692 RCA. Hope this helps some. > > Cheers!! Haggis. Haggis I am pretty sure the grid leak resistor is inside the cylinder. Pete From Zae Sun Oct 30 09:17:02 EST 2005 Article: 325015 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Airline Model 62-905 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:12:40 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <11m8edjovt8bjd7@corp.supernews.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!nx02.iad01.newshosting.com!newshosting.com!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-08!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:325015 Hello, I am currently restoring a Wards console model 62-905 circa 1938-39. I was hoping that maybe someone may have a picture/info on the radio. There were no knobs or buttons for the station selectors when I bought the radio for $25 in Colorado. What I am hoping for is a picture to show the knobs and selector buttons. I thought this would be a good "winter" project. If you have any information, thanks, Zae Article: 325016 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? Message-ID: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:35:42 -0400 "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:eke8m19d9kfbapg4d4b55fhvf39mhfsl4r@4ax.com... > I have a Zenith console in the garage that I'm renovating. I have the > case nearly pretty again, but am just starting on the chassis. I don't > remember the model number and don't want to go out and move the car > tonight to get to it. The schematic is for a chassis 10A1 though > models: 10S531, 10S549, 10S566. I think it's the -531. >-- The 6X5 tubes are notorious for heater to cathode shorts, which equates to transformer meltdown in a lot of Zenith models that used those rectifiers. A common "fix" was replacing the tubes with silicon diodes. My approach is to fuse the chassis, and to add a small Hammond filament transformer (inside rear apron) to power just the 6X5 filaments.... Photo on binaries. Pete Article: 325017 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" References: <4362de09_5@newsfeed.slurp.net> <43641f19_2@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: Selenium Rectifier Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:36:50 GMT Okay, maybe.....but check the B+ to see if you are getting the proper amount of voltage. At this point, I'd suggest to replace it with a silicon diode and a nice 10watt 47ohm power resistor, for your piece of mind! Omer wrote in message news:43641f19_2@newsfeed.slurp.net... > So, as far as I can tell from this string, if the unit works and the > rectifier does not smell, the rectifier is OK but it will fail eventually. > I am not an electronics person. I mainly collect/repair wind up phonos > but > I can remove and replace capacitors. I'll need detailed instructions and > a > parts list to replace it, or I'll just try to sell it once it works > without > hum and let it be someone else's problem. > > Thanks for the help, once again. > > Ron L Article: 325018 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" Subject: Silvertone for Mark O.... Message-ID: <_rX8f.35779$fE5.33219@fed1read06> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:52:39 -0400 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6570837926 Mark, care to guess why this World's Fair didn't sell for twice this amount? If I only had the room; this is one of the most desirable Silvertones IMHO. The guy's photos were great, nice presentation, but it didn't bring what it was worth. Peter Article: 325019 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <_rX8f.35779$fE5.33219@fed1read06> Subject: Re: Silvertone for Mark O.... Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 03:57:32 GMT What about this one? Maybe I could afford the shipping if it stays low... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6572974099&fromMakeTrack=true -- Free, while supplies last " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:_rX8f.35779$fE5.33219@fed1read06... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6570837926 > > > Mark, care to guess why this World's Fair didn't sell for twice this > amount? If I only had the room; this is one of the most desirable > Silvertones IMHO. The guy's photos were great, nice presentation, > but it didn't bring what it was worth. > > Peter > > Article: 325020 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? Message-ID: <3yX8f.35866$fE5.4703@fed1read06> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:59:09 -0400 "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:p5g8m1lhv85sultkbm2feu0nqi1bnd89e6@4ax.com... > Interesting. Not sure how that's done though. > Isn't it easier to just put in diodes? > Lot's of things are "easier" I guess. I preferred to keep the original rectifiers in the set. BTW, some brands and vintages are much better than others. The 6X5 tubes are indirectly heated, so their warm up time matches the rest of the tubes in the set. With diodes you have the full surge voltage on the filters for a longer time during warmup. I'm not sure how big an issue that is in that set... The 6X5 tube sockets were rewired so the filament pins were connected to the Hammond transformer rather than the Zenith power transformer. One side of the Zenith filament wiring goes to ground. The Hammond secondary winding is left floating--thus no ground for the cathode to short to. Admittedly , it was a pain in the butt job since the chassis is crowded in that area. Pete Article: 325021 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: Silvertone for Mark O.... Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:04:53 -0600 Message-ID: References: <_rX8f.35779$fE5.33219@fed1read06> was a nice auction, nice looking radio. but it did end on a thursday. may have somethin to do with it. just a guess. randy " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:_rX8f.35779$fE5.33219@fed1read06... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6570837926 > > > Mark, care to guess why this World's Fair didn't sell for twice this > amount? If I only had the room; this is one of the most desirable > Silvertones IMHO. The guy's photos were great, nice presentation, > but it didn't bring what it was worth. > > Peter > > Article: 325022 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: REMOVEtransistor@THISkc.rr.com (Mister Transistor) Subject: Re: Shouldn't this Zenith Baby Strat be up in the thousands by now? Message-ID: <43646c90.448192544@news-server.kc.rr.com> References: <1130163687.213456.296140@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130169046.039750.319060@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130199603.092609.178990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <1130263710.090687.188330@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130271458.522472.112590@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:30:06 GMT I cannot belive you guys can't see that this was once Zorro's radio. The Z !!!! makes it more valuable! geesh! Grill is also made from wooden lightning bolts...and wooden lightning bolts are VERY rare! and they make the radio sound better. Going to find my scroll saw.... On 25 Oct 2005 13:17:38 -0700, "Eddie Brimer" wrote: >Love that "custom grill". >http://cgi.ebay.com/1936-Zenith-Console-Radio-Baby-Stratosphere-12-A-58_W0QQitemZ6572774244QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Article: 325023 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: REMOVEtransistor@THISkc.rr.com (Mister Transistor) Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: <43647264.449685211@news-server.kc.rr.com> References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> <11ltpd1onkd0r34@corp.supernews.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:51:37 GMT $300!!!! Here in Missouri we use a Warsh Board in the crick. > >> Next time, buy a $300- Kenmore IMHO. Article: 325024 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: <2DT8f.129521$7b6.105526@twister.nyroc.rr.com> <1130634707.063652.287760@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Philco 42-1010 Bass control Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:03:14 GMT "nesesu" wrote in message news:1130634707.063652.287760@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Quite often a lug is grounded in the assembly of the control if that is > required in the application. Virtually free to have done and saves > wire, two connections and two solder joints. Quite common on tone > controls used by large volume manufacturers. Also seen on RF gain > controls or anywhere a ground is used on a pot. > > Neil S. > I never thought of that. I'll check it. -- Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios Article: 325025 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:23:09 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >another way to go is to use ONE 6AX5GT tube. It will handle the current of >two 6X5's, and , I dont think the socket needs to be modified... but I dont >recall for sure. The 6AX5GT is a rectifier from the early 60's, they are >plentiful and cheap. >Its a real good idea to add a primary fuse of about 1.5 a to any Zenith >using 6X5's. Better yet, add a B+ line fuse too, of 150MA-175MA or so. > >Mark Oppat > OK One More Time ... perhaps the later 6X5 is a little better... BUT NOT MUCH BETTER... Mark's cure of the 6AX5 I can agree with.. I take old junk octal tubes.. bust off the glass and install a pair of 1N4007 diodes into the old tube base.. this way the radio isn't modified at all. Is my preference... NO RADIO GOES OUT THIS DOOR WITH 6X5 TOOBS IN IT!... Next a 1.5 amp primary fuse WILL NOT BLOW IN THAT RADIO IF THE 6X5 TUBE CROAKS.... cause Zenith was too stingy with their power trannies.. it goes into saturation with the HV short and the primary current doesn't increase enough to come close to 1.5 A fuse.... using a 150-175 ma fuse in the HV lead.. yes that will save it... So now that radio was sold to some poor slob in lower slobovia... who knows nothing about radios and electronics... and that fuse croaks.. He can't fix it... and so he pulls the chassis out.. and returns it to me... 25 bux to the PO... I fix fuse and install another lousy 6x5 and send it back... another 25 bux to the PO ... sorta stupid if you ask me for something that we know to start with is JUNK TUBE... Your Wax is already running outta your tranny... why?... well two reasons...first possible is the 6x5 I doubt that cause when that tube croaks it kills that tranny before the wax hardly has a chance to get out of the case... Why Else is your tranny puking wax?... its because your linevoltage is too high for that radio...... solution is to use a little of that empty space on the end of the chassis to install a suitable power resistor ... ballpark on that one 30 ohms at 20 watts.... will drop the line far enough that the 6x5 diodes replacements and the rest of that radio will be a happy camper and give good service for many years to come.... John k9uwa Article: 325026 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> <11ltpd1onkd0r34@corp.supernews.com> <43647264.449685211@news-server.kc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:42:19 GMT In article <43647264.449685211@news-server.kc.rr.com>, REMOVEtransistor@THISkc.rr.com says... > > >$300!!!! Here in Missouri we use a Warsh Board in the crick. >> ??? sumpthin rong wid dat????? sounds fine to me! John k9uwa Article: 325027 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: horiz hold issue - rca ctc-10 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 04:40:20 -0800 Message-ID: <17261-4364BF34-382@storefull-3176.bay.webtv.net> References: <1130662196.319725.283950@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Frenchy, Have you tried tweaking the AGC control? Sometimes a 'flagging' or bending of the pic can be cured by cutting the gain a tad. Bill(oc) Article: 325028 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert McLean" References: Subject: Re: Strange news server behavior Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:59:48 -0500 "Brenda Ann" wrote in message news:dk0tgb$565$1@news2.kornet.net... > Anyone else getting posts that are up to a week old? I'm getting current > posts, but I'm also getting ones that were actually sent a week ago. This > morning, there were several that were posted on the 23rd and 24th that > came up.... is it my ISP's newsserver, or some poultrygeist in the works? > > > Maybe some one has Uncle Peter's time machine running in reverse. Article: 325029 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> Message-ID: <0C49f.501035$_o.259854@attbi_s71> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:17:32 GMT In article , gtayman@gate.net says... > > >Bear in mind these are car radios, most of which use 0Z4's, 6X4's, or I had one Philco Wooden radio that had an 0Z4 in it.. the customer that purchased it plays it in his store... 8 to 9 hours a day 6 days a week that radio runs... radio came back first time after about 6 months... dead 0Z4 .. installed new tube... 6 months later it came back again same deal dead 0Z4 ... that time I put a solid state diode plug-in like I make for the 6X5 replacement... radio has now been playing for 2 years with no further problems.. John k9uwa Article: 325030 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Mystery Tomstone I.D. Help Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:15:10 -0700 Message-ID: <7360-4364E37E-647@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: Can you post a link to a picture for us ? that binaries group dumps pictures in 24 hours for some of us . If you go to Photobucket you can get a small free picture host and put the links right in these posts for us to click on :-) Article: 325031 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 08:24:32 -0700 Message-ID: <7360-4364E5B0-648@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: When i take the cabinet off these Whirlpools with different size tubs and more controls the ``engine`` seems the same in all of them , just more wires Article: 325032 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:43:31 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <0C49f.501035$_o.259854@attbi_s71> <1130684202.771785.130660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: AuroraOldRadios wrote: > I could be mistaken, but I thought the ROOT CAUSE for 6X5 failure was > shorted electrolytics or other B+ overload. Same as any other rectifier snip[ > Do single 6X5 applications experience the same > rate of failures? > Yes. The problem with the 6X5 is an internal physical spacing issue. They can be bad news anywhere. Granted the older 6X5G are notably worse. I've never encountered a shorted late model GT but the guys who do a lot of radios say the problem still exists. -Bill Article: 325033 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: Strange news server behavior Message-ID: <6V69f.829$ZA3.189496@monger.newsread.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:54:26 GMT Marvin the paranoid android? -- Free, while supplies last "Robert McLean" wrote in message news:at39f.15$J14.7938@news20.bellglobal.com... > > "Brenda Ann" wrote in message > news:dk0tgb$565$1@news2.kornet.net... > > Anyone else getting posts that are up to a week old? I'm getting current > > posts, but I'm also getting ones that were actually sent a week ago. This > > morning, there were several that were posted on the 23rd and 24th that > > came up.... is it my ISP's newsserver, or some poultrygeist in the works? > > > > > > > > Maybe some one has Uncle Peter's time machine running in reverse. > > Article: 325034 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <0C49f.501035$_o.259854@attbi_s71> <1130684202.771785.130660@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:58:47 GMT Gee, I think I have at least two of those buggers, maybe two at least one, dead. I think I'd better reset this folder and save the whole thread. -- Free, while supplies last "Bill" wrote in message news:ae967$4364f836$4232bd44$18410@COQUI.NET... > AuroraOldRadios wrote: > > > I could be mistaken, but I thought the ROOT CAUSE for 6X5 failure was > > shorted electrolytics or other B+ overload. Same as any other rectifier > snip[ > > Do single 6X5 applications experience the same > > rate of failures? > > > Yes. The problem with the 6X5 is an internal physical spacing issue. > > They can be bad news anywhere. Granted the older 6X5G are notably > worse. I've never encountered a shorted late model GT but the guys who > do a lot of radios say the problem still exists. > > -Bill > Article: 325035 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" Subject: WTB- Hallicrafters 465khz xtal for SX-17 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:08:30 -0600 I need an original 465 KHz crystal that is used in the crystal phasing circuit for my SX-17. Thanks -- Regards B.H. Brian's Basement http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/6.htm Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 325036 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" Subject: I'll take Bliley too! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:27:43 -0600 PS I'll also consider any Bliley crystal of the same era and freq. Thanks -- Regards B.H. Brian's Basement http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/6.htm Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 325037 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:11:26 GMT In article , jbyrns@rcn.com says... > > >Why would the transformer go into saturation when the HV is shorted? >Saturation is a voltage induced effect, if anything I would expect a HV >short to reduce the tendency toward saturation because of the extra >voltage drop in the primary caused by the heavy current from the HV >short. Where is my reasoning going wrong here? >John Byrns Maybe saturation isn't the right term here John... just try it for a few seconds on that old Zenith... dead short the HV and read the input to transformer current and see what happens... I lost two power transformers in 6s and 7s 1941 and 42 model zeniths after the total rebuild on the radio... both were a couple of years down the road from the rebuild job I did... after that... all 6X5 tubes get replaced. Hate to think about how many radios have come here for restoration that already had a bad transformer.. John k9uwa Article: 325038 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: FA audio test equipment Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:04:21 -0500 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5824882964 Article: 325039 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" References: <1130528841.856815.73980@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130540292.351127.136630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Hot Rodding the RCA 9T Radio Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:13:37 GMT "Paul Dietenberger" wrote in message news:1130540292.351127.136630@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > John Goller, k9uwa wrote: >> Don't have that book to read.... > > Google to the rescue, if you can wait for a 16MB download > > http://www.pmillett.com/tecnical_books_online.htm > > Scroll down for link. I'm downloading it now. > > paul > Actually the download time on cable isn't bad. I downloaded it on 34 seconds. -- Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.scaptura.com/radio/gallery/Antique_radios Article: 325040 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: FA audio test equipment Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:25:43 GMT -- Free, while supplies last "Ken" wrote in message news:vza9f.4246$LR1.3163@dukeread09... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5824882964 > Article: 325041 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> <11ltpd1onkd0r34@corp.supernews.com> <43647264.449685211@news-server.kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:37:54 -0500 "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:Lc39f.285037$084.280625@attbi_s22... > In article <43647264.449685211@news-server.kc.rr.com>, > REMOVEtransistor@THISkc.rr.com says... >> >> >>$300!!!! Here in Missouri we use a Warsh Board in the crick. >>> > > ??? sumpthin rong wid dat????? sounds fine to me! > > John k9uwa Roud these here parts, that gits hard to do come January... Article: 325042 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Favourite selling descriptions... Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:51:28 -0500 "THIS RADIO WORKS I JUST CANNOT GET THE CHANNELS TO COME IN" I have a lot of radios like that... -- "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." regards, Frank Johansen Aurora, Ontario Article: 325043 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <435d9c23$0$191$bb4e3ad8@newscene.com> <17812-435DA930-970@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> <4ij7f.5325$NJ.3070@bignews7.bellsouth.net> <11ltpd1onkd0r34@corp.supernews.com> <43647264.449685211@news-server.kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:56:42 GMT "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message news:HHd9f.1360$LF3.115964@news20.bellglobal.com... > "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message > news:Lc39f.285037$084.280625@attbi_s22... > > In article <43647264.449685211@news-server.kc.rr.com>, > > REMOVEtransistor@THISkc.rr.com says... > >> > >> > >>$300!!!! Here in Missouri we use a Warsh Board in the crick. > >>> > > > > ??? sumpthin rong wid dat????? sounds fine to me! > > > > John k9uwa > > Roud these here parts, that gits hard to do come January... Yaah, I spose, but them Popsicled wimmen's unmentionables are a big hoot at the lodge, think so... -- Free, while supplies last Article: 325044 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: Favourite selling descriptions... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:04:23 GMT My goodness, Frank, you are sitting on the marketing ploy of the century! Hurry before they are wise to this in Calgary... -- Free, while supplies last "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message news:kUd9f.1362$LF3.117929@news20.bellglobal.com... > "THIS RADIO WORKS I JUST CANNOT GET THE CHANNELS TO COME IN" > > I have a lot of radios like that... > > -- > "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." > > regards, > > Frank Johansen > Aurora, Ontario > > Article: 325045 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Favourite selling descriptions... Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:12:05 -0500 Message-ID: <11marrcjve7v63a@corp.supernews.com> References: "Wants to work, I can hear scratching noises." (on radio ad) "Channel changer is stuck." "Actually received TV Sound in the 1930's when a separate receiver was needed." "Works, but not when I just tried it." "Made a popping noise and smoke so I unplugged it. Untested." John H. Article: 325046 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <20041214151035.15969.00001864@mb-m02.aol.com> Subject: Re: - Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:19:17 GMT That was my last house -- Free, while supplies last "Engineer" wrote in message news:NtCdnaCsEu4FUPneRVn-qQ@rogers.com... > "Troglodite" wrote in message > news:20041214151035.15969.00001864@mb-m02.aol.com... > > > > >>Nothings worse than being cold and wet. Oh yeah. Maybe being > >>hungry, > >>cold and wet. > > > > Try being cold, wet, hungry, dog tired, covered in bat guano and > > your second > > backup light just died. > > > Well, you shouldn't live in a cave... > Cheers, > Roger > > Article: 325047 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: Subject: Re: Favourite selling descriptions... Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:50:43 -0600 "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message news:kUd9f.1362$LF3.117929@news20.bellglobal.com... > "THIS RADIO WORKS I JUST CANNOT GET THE CHANNELS TO COME IN" > > I have a lot of radios like that... > > -- > "Stay calm. Be brave. Wait for the signs." > > regards, > > Frank Johansen > Aurora, Ontario > The term - Pristine !!!! drives me nuts. -- Regards B.H. Brian's Basement http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/6.htm Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 325048 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:09:51 -0500 Message-ID: <11mav7hma298t3d@corp.supernews.com> References: <7360-4364E5B0-648@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Ken G. wrote: > When i take the cabinet off these Whirlpools with different size tubs > and more controls the ``engine`` seems the same in all of them , just > more wires > That is exactly my point. In the old days a higher end model actually had different major parts that the cheaper ones. Today most "high end" appliances very much appear to be nothing more than the identical low end "drive train" with a bunch of options tacked on. Sounds like the highest development of the old US car company technique of selling puffed up boats thin on technology but fat with high-profit options. But Randy is right, $350- or 400- might be prudent. I have a GE front loader myself. John H. Article: 325049 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:15:24 -0500 Message-ID: <11mavhvba65oe05@corp.supernews.com> References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> <1130702032.373016.290330@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Jeff, WB8NHV wrote: > > > It just makes good sense to replace any tube rectifier(s) in a radio > or TV, or any equipment which uses vacuum tube rectifiers, with silicon > diodes You must have the wrong group- see rec.antiques.solid-state-hotrodding >Replace the selenium stack immediately if it shorts Correct except for the last three words, just add a period instead. I have never powered a selenium up, nor will I ever. John H. Article: 325050 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1130724887.964772.243080@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Favourite selling descriptions... Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:18:26 -0500 "Can't test, power cord is cut off..." "Minty...." chew on this radio and your friends will thank you... "RESTORED" fully stripped of all toners and gooped with urethane. Chassis is full of yellow jackets installed with full flying leads tack soldered to the old part leads... Article: 325051 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Underground antennas Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:27:03 -0500 Message-ID: <11mb07pdqlqidad@corp.supernews.com> References: <1130725244.591316.163920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Sound like one of those Ultra Low Frequency setups ala submarine communications. You know, like 1/12 of 1 khz............... John H. Article: 325052 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude From: "xrongor" Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:50:13 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> so lets get this straight. seller listed the shipping price for all the world to see. you whined. he lowered them!!! you got your wish yet now you whine more, publicly. and you question HIS integrety? you claim moral high ground for your attitude? you sound like a nightmare buyer to me. some people.... randy "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Ebay item 5823812792, 5 6F6 tubes. Seller's original listing said > shipping/handling charges were $29.95. I sent him a question asking him > to explain the S/H since I knew it would cost about $8.00 to > ship(implication=too high). He responded to the question as follows and > revised his listing with a lower S/H of $19.95. > > "Before I answer your question, please tell me how is the market price > for 5 tube 6F6? 1 dollar or 10 dollars? I understand you want to save > money, but I also want to earn more money from different ways. In this > case, I need to buy a box and some bubble wrap, plus Priority Mail cost > and insurance, total will pay about $12. And I will spend time to > packing and mail it, all of these will take about 1 hour, time is > money! Do you want to offer me free service? > > One more thing I should tell you, winners never ask me such questions, > do you know why? think about it. " > Article: 325053 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Mystery Tomstone I.D. Help Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:42:51 -0700 Message-ID: <2203-436584AB-848@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: MIDWEST H5 it is ! Machine Age II page 196 . the plaque is right above the right knob to help balance out that odd 4th knob . Article: 325054 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Phil Witt Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Message-ID: References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:59:31 -0600 On 30 Oct 2005 18:40:13 -0800, "AuroraOldRadios" wrote: >One more thing I should tell you, winners never ask me such questions, >do you know why? think about it. " Because there haven't been any winners? Zero feedback? Could that be it? He makes a reasonable point about box, etc., but I have sold a lot of tubes, provided all materials, and only charged actual postage. A sleeve of 6F6s should go first class for what, $3.50 maybe? Article: 325055 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <43658AD5.A64CA579@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:09:09 -0500 Look at the other tube auctions this seller has, 300A's going for 1000.00 a piece.... I wish I had a few of those to sell... Sal AuroraOldRadios wrote: > Ebay item 5823812792, 5 6F6 tubes. Seller's original listing said > shipping/handling charges were $29.95. I sent him a question asking him > to explain the S/H since I knew it would cost about $8.00 to > ship(implication=too high). He responded to the question as follows and > revised his listing with a lower S/H of $19.95. > > "Before I answer your question, please tell me how is the market price > for 5 tube 6F6? 1 dollar or 10 dollars? I understand you want to save > money, but I also want to earn more money from different ways. In this > case, I need to buy a box and some bubble wrap, plus Priority Mail cost > and insurance, total will pay about $12. And I will spend time to > packing and mail it, all of these will take about 1 hour, time is > money! Do you want to offer me free service? > > One more thing I should tell you, winners never ask me such questions, > do you know why? think about it. " Article: 325056 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: Underground antennas Message-ID: References: <1130725244.591316.163920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:49:44 GMT Well, if the limestone is not saturated with ground water, its conductivity would be pretty darn low, and a powerful transmitter should get out OK from an undergound antenna there. In the oil drilling industry, they have tools that send data to surface from depths of several thousand meters by way of LF or VLF EM signals. Receiving antenna is in some cases a ground stake, and in others a long wire strung around the perimeter of the drilling lease. Gordon Richmond Article: 325057 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Holden" References: <1130725244.591316.163920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Underground antennas Message-ID: <8ug9f.1824$J14.93968@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:47:07 -0500 "Jiri Placek" wrote in message news:1130725244.591316.163920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >A month ago I toured Eben Emael, a late 1930's Belgian fortress above > the Maas river near Maastricht. The fortress is famous for the daring > surprise attack that disabled its guns within 20 minutes and made it > surrender the next day. I will not go to the details here, the Eben > Emael Association has a site www.fort.eben-emael.be, there are good > descriptions in other Google groups (search Eben Emael in Google > groups) as well as a good description of the tour (search Eben Emael > Hankinson in Google Groups). That's http://www.fort-eben-emael.be/ . Interesting site and story. Article: 325058 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! References: <7360-4364E5B0-648@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> <11mav7hma298t3d@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:15:14 -0600 Hagstar wrote: > That is exactly my point. In the old days a higher end model actually > had different major parts that the cheaper ones. Today most "high end" > appliances very much appear to be nothing more than the identical low > end "drive train" with a bunch of options tacked on. Sounds like the > highest development of the old US car company technique of selling > puffed up boats thin on technology but fat with high-profit options. > > But Randy is right, $350- or 400- might be prudent. I have a GE front > loader myself. Well, having had the new Whirlpool for about a week-- here's what we think of it: Clothes come out very clean, well rinsed and nearly dry. It's 640RPM spin speed has cut our clothes drying time roughly in half (same dryer - and being electric - that's not insignificant). It is very quiet - MUCH quieter that the Kenmore/Whirlpool it replaced - and somewhat quieter than the Maytags. (If the dryer is running with a medium load (clothes flopping around) you hear it over the washer). It's capacity is nice and large. Dozen heavy bath towels, several pairs of jeans, a few shirts and blouses and some undies make a nice load - though it could handle more. The "commercial quality" Whirlpool rates it at is most evident in the top, lid and basket. They are porcelain on steel - VERY heavy and easy to clean and maintain - no paint or plastic to discolor or be easily damaged. The machine "feels" very solid. Things like heavy turkish towels tend to throw most machines off balance easily - esp. if they try to spin at full speed before such items have a chance to shed much of the water they'll hold. The "step-spin" system allows such items to shed more and more water as the spin speed steps up to full speed. Even with "awkward loads" the machine barely vibrates. In any other room in the house you never know it's spinning - while with the previous machines - often you'd notice a bit of vibration through the floor. "Fit and Finish" are excellent - even if it is only a washer. As noted - the Maytags (esp. the 2nd one) had flaws, marks and things that just didn't seem to be "right". This one is *right* (and by this time - we are looking things over with a VERY critical eye). It's every bit the match - with improvements -- over the Kenmore/Whirlpool it replaces (which was at the time - top of the line). At roughly 100 pounds heavier - seems much more "solid built" than either of the two Maytags- and as noted far better fit and finish. The only disappointment so far: the machine will only fill with the lid open. Earlier machines would fill and agitate, just not spin with the lid open. Seems consumer safety crap (IMHO) cost us that convenience. It's not a big deal - but I'm one of those people who like to watch the load as it agitates - and keep tossing stuff in until it looks like "enough". I tend to be more "conservative" loading this one - as I would have to keep "lifting the lid" to check and see how the load is doing after agitation has gotten most of the air out. We have a very comfortable feeling that this Whirlpool has settled in for a long, long life of service... something that we came to be extremely skeptical of with the Maytags. Yeah - $500 is a lot to spend on a washing machine. But then there's that old saying: You get what you pay for - IF you're careful. Took us three tries to get it right - but we're now quite comfortable that this machine will meet our needs (including length of service). We're just hoping our experience might prove useful to someone else, particularly in view of Maytag's apparent "nose dive" in quality and attitude... sure took us by surprise!!! best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 325059 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "xrongor" Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 21:21:18 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130731217.641188.280060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> this is well covered ground. although you publicly denouncing the guy after he lowered the shipping is a new twist... but hey. like ive said before. you guys that get all riled up over shipping just make my prices lower by not bidding. so i guess i should be thanking you. randy > As a potential bidder I have the right to question what my $29.95 is > getting me. That isn't whining. Nor is it dishonest to ask a seller to > account for his/her charges BEFORE bidding. If he/she can't provide a > reasonable answer, then I won't bid. His answer reveals his intent to > make a profit from S/H. It's very unethical and poor business practice. > If a seller can't stand honest questions, he/she shouldn't sell. If you > consider that a "nightmare" buyer....well, what can I say? My feedback > speaks for itself. > Article: 325060 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" Subject: Check out this site. Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:28:09 GMT http://www.electronicsgenius.com/Tech_Info/tech_info.html Not my site. Once past the advertising there is some good information. PP Article: 325061 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbelly Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Message-ID: References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:41:17 -0500 On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:50:13 -0700, "xrongor" wrote: >so lets get this straight. > >seller listed the shipping price for all the world to see. you whined. he >lowered them!!! you got your wish yet now you whine more, publicly. > >and you question HIS integrety? you claim moral high ground for your >attitude? you sound like a nightmare buyer to me. > >some people.... > >randy > >"AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message >news:1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Ebay item 5823812792, 5 6F6 tubes. Seller's original listing said >> shipping/handling charges were $29.95. I sent him a question asking him >> to explain the S/H since I knew it would cost about $8.00 to >> ship(implication=too high). He responded to the question as follows and >> revised his listing with a lower S/H of $19.95. >> >> "Before I answer your question, please tell me how is the market price >> for 5 tube 6F6? 1 dollar or 10 dollars? I understand you want to save >> money, but I also want to earn more money from different ways. In this >> case, I need to buy a box and some bubble wrap, plus Priority Mail cost >> and insurance, total will pay about $12. And I will spend time to >> packing and mail it, all of these will take about 1 hour, time is >> money! Do you want to offer me free service? >> >> One more thing I should tell you, winners never ask me such questions, >> do you know why? think about it. " >> > You tell him Rumpranger! Article: 325062 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:29:25 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: OT - Really OT - but sheesh what a mess! References: <7360-4364E5B0-648@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> <11mav7hma298t3d@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <6cdbd$4365abb9$4232bd0f$4742@COQUI.NET> Hagstar wrote: > > But Randy is right, $350- or 400- might be prudent. I have a GE front > loader myself. > > John H. > Even venerable GE nowadays takes a beating for being cheap crap. I bought my GE washer some 7-8 years ago. It suffered some 'infant failures' which I easily remedied and has been a trooper ever since. What impressed me most was, at that time, I could download diagrams of all the guts of the machine, order parts, actually get them shipped here to Puerto Rico without going thru the '48 states only' BS, and their replacement parts prices were less expensive than any of the repair/aftermarket parts dealers on the web. Bought the service manual too! I don't know if GE still offers such good 'remote' service but that alone made me a happy camper. I don't care if the specs are weak in some regard because there's no dealer or repair depot to fall back on here. If I can't fix it or get parts I don't want it. -Bill Article: 325063 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry" References: Subject: Re: WTB- Hallicrafters 465khz xtal for SX-17 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:00:03 -0330 "Brian Hill" wrote in message news:i679f.38848$RG4.37283@fe05.lga... >I need an original 465 KHz crystal that is used in the crystal phasing > circuit for my SX-17. Thanks > -- > > Regards > B.H. > > Brian's Basement > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/6.htm > > Brian's Radio Universe > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm > > Just a thought? 465 or 455 kilohertz? One old SX-71 advert I found listed the IFs as 2075 and 455 kilohertz! Since the SX-71 is US manufacture I would suspect 455? Some British receivers used 465? Article: 325064 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:38:41 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: AuroraOldRadios wrote: > Ebay item 5823812792, 5 6F6 tubes. Seller's original listing said > shipping/handling charges were $29.95. I sent him a question asking him > to explain the S/H since I knew it would cost about $8.00 to > ship(implication=too high). Surely you aren't that new to ebay? The price you pay is a combination of the bid price + shipping/handling. The percentage fee the seller pays to ebay is based on the bid price alone. The crap about spending $12 for a box and bubble wrap is BS justification in case ebay comes down on him for some fee avoidance technicality. As long as they state what they are charging up front I have no issue with them. ebay might, but thats not my concern. -Bill Article: 325065 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 01:54:08 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: WTB- Hallicrafters 465khz xtal for SX-17 References: Message-ID: Terry wrote: > "Brian Hill" wrote in message > news:i679f.38848$RG4.37283@fe05.lga... > >>I need an original 465 KHz crystal that is used in the crystal phasing >>circuit for my SX-17. Thanks >>-- >> >>Regards >>B.H. > Just a thought? > 465 or 455 kilohertz? > One old SX-71 advert I found listed the IFs as 2075 and 455 kilohertz! > Since the SX-71 is US manufacture I would suspect 455? > Some British receivers used 465? SX-17 was 465 kHz. You could probably retune everything to 455....if you wanted to. -Bill Article: 325066 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130731217.641188.280060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 05:56:06 GMT How many damned 6F6 are there on eBay? Let me search the ways... If you are N4___ you bit. There was a lot of different tubes for 50 bucks, a couple of matched ones, still you have a better unit price, a "matched quad" for 120, but those two matched one were supposed to be quite strong? Dan, I don't like to say it, as I happen to like you, but bidding indicates acceptance of terms. If you did, you can't expect to start a war over it, even if the CinC if with you. I know far more reasonable dealers with their heads in the air and not reading the name in their shorts upside-down. How many did you need in the first place? Article: 325067 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130731217.641188.280060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:20:03 GMT I may have a couple or maybe more, untested (unless I could start to figure that out), free to you but for postage, if it's not too late, 2-3 bucks maybe wouldn't kill you even if I only had one good, and surely this GB DVM must be useful for SOME KIND of test??? I've gone through my pile enough to know they are there and 6K6 and a few other types in multiples... "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> wrote in message news:Wli9f.864$ZA3.198261@monger.newsread.com... > How many damned 6F6 are there on eBay? Let me search the ways... > > If you are N4___ you bit. There was a lot of different tubes for 50 bucks, a > couple of matched ones, still you have a better unit price, a "matched quad" > for 120, but those two matched one were supposed to be quite strong? > > Dan, I don't like to say it, as I happen to like you, but bidding indicates > acceptance of terms. If you did, you can't expect to start a war over it, > even if the CinC if with you. I know far more reasonable dealers with their > heads in the air and not reading the name in their shorts upside-down. > > How many did you need in the first place? > > Article: 325069 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <435ED123.2B196464@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Orange Drops References: <11ln61inem3vd68@corp.supernews.com> <1130094126.995353.142730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> <11lnql3ict1qme0@corp.supernews.com> <6Gg7f.7417$8K4.4410@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <0eKdnQP5JYKOvcPeRVn-jA@comcast.com> <55CdnXLsm7oqVMPeRVn-gA@comcast.com> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:41:57 GMT William Sommerwerck wrote: > > > This has to be the dumbest reply I've read from you so far. > > And you call yourself educated? No wonder you're out of job. > > I'm one hell of a lot better educated than you are. And what's worse (from > your point of view) is that I actually use my intelligence -- something most > people don't do. > > By the way, I am employed. I'm at HP, and one of things I'm doing is > cleaning up the dreadful writing in the Helpdesk documentation. I was hire > to do that. I hope you write a lot better at work than you do on usenet. On the other hand, with all your arrogance and misconceptions, the material you churn out to the printers will still be useless. -- ? Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 325070 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: making dial covers: any hints? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:47:53 -0500 Thanks for all the thoughts, folks. All filed, ready for the first snowy weekend. regards, Frank Article: 325071 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:09:18 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think References: Message-ID: David Stinson wrote: > > Damn lucky to still be breathing. > I got away with a burn, bruises from > falling over and a knot on my head. > Pure, God-given dumb luck. > > Don't be stupid like me. > > Stop. Think. Go SLOW. > Stay Alive. > > Dave S. Glad you're still around to remind us. Its very easy to become complacent and careless. -Bill > > Article: 325072 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Skycloud" Subject: Sparton Bluebird Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:26:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3sn2emFonmfiU1@individual.net> Hi, I have a Sparton Bluebird in the workshop at present. Needless to say the restoration is being conducted sensitively. The only schematic I have is for the model number '154' but this is for an AC-only version. The set I'm working on is an AC/DC (78, 78, 75, 43, 25Z5). Can anyone help me with the correct model number for this AC/DC version, so I can then seek out the schematic? Any other info about this set also welcome. Many thanks. Steve Article: 325073 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think References: Message-ID: <3xs9f.2990$Jo3.2446@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:30:39 GMT David Stinson wrote: > Damn lucky to still be breathing. It used to be a running thing in the ARRL Magazine. A picture of a disconnect switch and the phrase: "Switch to safety." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 325074 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Caveat Lector" References: <3xs9f.2990$Jo3.2446@tornado.socal.rr.com> Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:45:38 -0800 Yogi Berra sed Think! How the hell are you gonna think and and solder at the same time?" -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:3xs9f.2990$Jo3.2446@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > David Stinson wrote: >> Damn lucky to still be breathing. > > It used to be a running thing in the ARRL Magazine. > A picture of a disconnect switch and the phrase: > "Switch to safety." > > Jeff > > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 325075 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:51:14 -0600 David Stinson wrote: > 500 volts HURTS. BAD. > > Damn lucky to still be breathing. > I got away with a burn, bruises from > falling over and a knot on my head. > Pure, God-given dumb luck. > > Don't be stupid like me. Yup - very easy to do, esp. for those of us who "do it" day in and day out... I'm ALWAYS extremely careful around big transmitters - the MW5 has a 15Kv 1.1A supply - output is 500V @ 10A RF --- you don't get a second chance with that. The FM25 is worse. Again - very, very careful... some time back they were on a remote - (car dealership) and the link back to the station stopped working. Called me - and since the dealership was between me and the studio - I stopped there first to make sure the transmitter was working ok. To check - I was going to check the RF at the antenna - which was a mid-sized whip on a magnet mount stuck to the van's roof - much like those used for CB, etc. Well my meter leads were a bit short - so I was going to slide the antenna over towards the edge - and *without thinking* just grabbed the antenna rod and picked it up. Didn't take long to let go - 20W mobile FM isn't huge - but it still burns pretty good. Yup - transmitter OK... on to the studio to fix the Marti receiver... Hand "stung" for the rest of the day... was red for a couple. Lucky it wasn't worse - had I been grounded -- !!! Just takes a second of "stupid"... David - glad your injuries were no worse than they are... such "refresher training" - while effective -- is still tough. -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 325076 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Sprinter" Subject: Antique trade Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:01:19 +0100 Message-ID: <43665be8$0$29546$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it> antique trade from Italy 2.200 oggetti www.cosevecchie.com Article: 325077 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" Subject: Mini pots for transistor radios Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:53:16 GMT They must be available somewhere, they're still using them in new stuff. You know the kind - Japanese (Hong Kong, etc.) plastic housing, takes a thumbwheel knob, held on by a screw, switch is a cam that opens/closes arm, usually 5K, etc. Nobody seems to stock them. Does one have to find and buy from a manufacturer? I have several old sets here - including a few American ones - that are languishing for lack of these. I've been searching the net so long I have a headache. Anyone know a source? Ray Article: 325078 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Skycloud" Subject: Re: Sparton Bluebird Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:53:33 -0000 Message-ID: <3sn7hkFp374gU1@individual.net> References: <3sn2emFonmfiU1@individual.net> "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:eP2dnSlSfLQExvvenZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@giganews.com... > You can read a few restoration notes about my Bluebird Model 154B at > http://antiqueradio.org/spar04.htm . > Thanks for this Phil; yes I'd already admired your page. > I was told that 154 is a Canadian model number and 506 is the American model > number. (My radio came from Canada.) > > In any case, if you look up the Sparton model 506 schematic at Nostalgia Air > (http://www.nostalgiaair.org/ ), the tube complement matches yours and the > tube filaments are in series. That looks like a "curtain burner" line cord > resistor, as well. > Fantastic! That's the one!! Now I understand why the IF plainly wasn't coming in at 345 Kc... For the curtain burner, I'm using a diode and a 47ohm dropper. Many thanks. Steve www.radiocraft.co.uk Article: 325079 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:53:39 -0500 Message-ID: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> References: Use care especially if you work in damp environments- I think people in general become lax about these thing because electricity is so much at the center of our lives today but yet in the background. We've come a ways form my grandmother putting those kid-proofing outlet covers on all the unused outlets for fear of the electricity leaking out. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/31/national/main995829.shtml John H. Article: 325080 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130731217.641188.280060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:08:26 GMT It is also against eBay rules. They term it "Fee Avoidance" and it is very common. I run into it all over the system. $2 items with $300 shipping is not impossible to find. If he makes a practice of it he is dodging auction fees. OTOH, he did put it in the auction so people know to avoid it (or report it). I run into it very often and do ask. 9 times out of 10 it really is a mistake and they put the wrong amount with the wrong item. Many are extremely grateful to have it pointed out as it chases away sales. You ran into that 10th one who does it deliberately. OK, so he had second thoughts and lowered it a tad. Do you really want to deal with somebody like that? What's his feedback like? Are the items THAT hard to find? Does the price with shipping factored in still present a good buy? Some of these people live off dummies and newbies who don't check the shipping before they bid. Once they win they are stuck with the terms. It was all there if they looked. The worst are ones that will charge $20+ bucks for shipping and then send it media mail or last class parcel post for a buck or two and not even ship it right away. As eBay says "Caveat Emptor." Ray "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1130731217.641188.280060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > As a potential bidder I have the right to question what my $29.95 is > getting me. That isn't whining. Nor is it dishonest to ask a seller to > account for his/her charges BEFORE bidding. If he/she can't provide a > reasonable answer, then I won't bid. His answer reveals his intent to > make a profit from S/H. It's very unethical and poor business practice. > If a seller can't stand honest questions, he/she shouldn't sell. If you > consider that a "nightmare" buyer....well, what can I say? My feedback > speaks for itself. > Article: 325081 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: Subject: Re: WTB- Hallicrafters 465khz xtal for SX-17 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:31:30 -0600 "Bill" wrote in message > SX-17 was 465 kHz. You could probably retune everything to 455....if you > wanted to. > > -Bill That's true but you could spend allot of time only to find out a slug is barely hanging to threads :( -- Regards B.H. Brian's Basement http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/6.htm Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 325082 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:31:44 GMT Whew! My uncle did something like that with a dummy load...maybe that's why they call them dummy...just take it easy, what would we do anyway...??? "David Stinson" wrote in message news:bYr9f.1982$8c5.1177@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... > I work on solid state stuff all day long. > 12-48 volts leads to complacency. > Lack of rest can also cost you. > > NEVER work on boatanchor radios > when you're tired or distracted! > It's so easy to get in the habit of just > grabbing stuff when it's only got 12 volts on it. > Like checking to see if that resistor is getting hot. > 500 volts HURTS. BAD. > > Damn lucky to still be breathing. > I got away with a burn, bruises from > falling over and a knot on my head. > Pure, God-given dumb luck. > > Don't be stupid like me. > > Stop. Think. Go SLOW. > Stay Alive. > > Dave S. > > Article: 325083 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Hagstar Subject: Re: Favourite selling descriptions... Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:35:10 -0500 Message-ID: <11mcsfidlts3d32@corp.supernews.com> References: <1130781120.890916.297860@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> nesesu wrote: > On Marconi console in Antique Mall : "Works fine but smokes". > I had a girlfriend like that once, or twice.................... John H. Article: 325084 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: Subject: Re: eBay and "Non-selling Sellers"? Message-ID: <3mu9f.900$ZA3.206813@monger.newsread.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:35:27 GMT "John Byrns" wrote in message news:jbyrns-3110051241390001@216-80-74-205.d.enteract.com... > > Since the subject of eBay is near and dear to most everyone on this group, > I thought I would ask if anyone has had any experience with how eBay deals > with "Non-selling Sellers"? The seller in an auction where I was the high > bidder seems to want to welsh on the deal, so I am wondering what my > options are? The seller didn't set a high enough starting bid, or use a > reserve, and I am sure he expected that the winning bid would contain at > least another significant digit, and probably a higher leading digit. > > On a related subject, there was a discussion here a while back about > changes eBay made to the feedback system, which as I remember it basically > neutered negative feedback against sellers, does anyone remember the > details of the changes relating negative feedback for sellers? No all I know is I don't get ANY FB from new sellers I meet any more? That's CRAP when someone has maybe 2000-more and I can't get past twenty for trying! Maybe that's why I tend to stick to sellers I had a good experience with and who DO leave FB. Article: 325085 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:48:43 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Mini pots for transistor radios References: Message-ID: Rune wrote: > They must be available somewhere, they're still using them in new stuff. > > You know the kind - Japanese (Hong Kong, etc.) plastic housing, takes a > thumbwheel knob, held on by a screw, switch is a cam that opens/closes arm, > usually 5K, etc. > > Nobody seems to stock them. Does one have to find and buy from a > manufacturer? > Anyone know a source? > > Ray > > Try Mouser.com A typical p/n would be 311-1202-5k and from there you can find the various types. GL, Bill Article: 325086 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Martin Crossley" References: Subject: Re: Mini pots for transistor radios Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:52:45 -0000 Message-ID: <4366760f$0$15075$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> "Rune" wrote in message news:wKt9f.18739$3A4.7711@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com... > They must be available somewhere, they're still using them in new stuff. > > You know the kind - Japanese (Hong Kong, etc.) plastic housing, takes a > thumbwheel knob, held on by a screw, switch is a cam that opens/closes > arm, usually 5K, etc. > > Nobody seems to stock them. Does one have to find and buy from a > manufacturer? > > I have several old sets here - including a few American ones - that are > languishing for lack of these. I've been searching the net so long I have > a headache. > > Anyone know a source? > > Ray > Pete Roberts in the UK http://hometown.aol.co.uk/PeteRoberts007/home.htm had them, but I can't see them there tonight. Martin. Article: 325087 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:33:52 -0600 Hagstar wrote: > We've come a > ways form my grandmother putting those kid-proofing outlet covers on all > the unused outlets for fear of the electricity leaking out. Or hair pins (etc.) sneaking in... > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/31/national/main995829.shtml We almost lost a pastor that way as well... our church building is very, very old - and no large water heater - so when the water is cold (most of the time except summer) we use a large electric heater to heat the water once the baptistry is filled (it's a unit designed for that use - though it's also to be unplugged and pulled out before anyone gets in). One time the pastor managed to get into the baptistry before the thing was unplugged (decided to start the service with the baptism rather than at the end)- and the water rose to within a fraction of an inch of the controls. Fortunately - the guy in charge of that task realized what was happening - called out for the pastor to freeze- and got it unplugged and pulled out before any harm was done. Had the person to be baptized stepped in... likely would have been two funerals. Since they had used mics at that church many times before - one wonders if something like that was involved... since most mics (at least ones with properly wired XLR connectors) are grounded. Taking electricity for granted is a prime ingredient for tragedy... best regards... (and play safe out there)... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 325088 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: <43665be8$0$29546$4fafbaef@reader1.news.tin.it> Subject: Re: Antique trade Message-ID: <1lv9f.40101$Pe2.734301@twister2.libero.it> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:42:37 GMT Sprinter wrote: > antique trade from Italy 2.200 oggetti Absolutely 'out of bid'... > > www.cosevecchie.com compliants sent to ISP tin.it. -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 325089 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think References: <11mcq1nq9ol3p34@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:57:56 GMT Randy or Sherry Guttery wrote: > Since they had used mics at that church many times before - one wonders > if something like that was involved... since most mics (at least ones > with properly wired XLR connectors) are grounded. Taking electricity for > granted is a prime ingredient for tragedy... Proper grounding of the microphone is all well and good... IF the chassis it's grounded to is indeed grounded. If there is a failure or no ground at all, then you have the partial AC line acrss the chassis to ground. Or worse, if it is a transformerless set. Which I can't imagine anyone making for commercial PA use. The best protection on this is to use a GFI outlet for the PA system, or plug it into one of the GFI adaptor cordsets. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 325090 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think References: Message-ID: <9Rv9f.131914$7b6.34788@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:16:53 GMT I got one of those little infrared temp jobs from Rat Shack a while back and it really is handy to have, no more burns and shocks. David Stinson wrote: > I work on solid state stuff all day long. > 12-48 volts leads to complacency. > Lack of rest can also cost you. > > NEVER work on boatanchor radios > when you're tired or distracted! > It's so easy to get in the habit of just > grabbing stuff when it's only got 12 volts on it. > Like checking to see if that resistor is getting hot. > 500 volts HURTS. BAD. > > Damn lucky to still be breathing. > I got away with a burn, bruises from > falling over and a knot on my head. > Pure, God-given dumb luck. > > Don't be stupid like me. > > Stop. Think. Go SLOW. > Stay Alive. > > Dave S. > > Article: 325091 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:37:40 GMT I got one of those little infrared temp jobs from Rat Shack a while back and it really is handy to have, no more burns and shocks. David Stinson wrote: > I work on solid state stuff all day long. > 12-48 volts leads to complacency. > Lack of rest can also cost you. > > NEVER work on boatanchor radios > when you're tired or distracted! > It's so easy to get in the habit of just > grabbing stuff when it's only got 12 volts on it. > Like checking to see if that resistor is getting hot. > 500 volts HURTS. BAD. > > Damn lucky to still be breathing. > I got away with a burn, bruises from > falling over and a knot on my head. > Pure, God-given dumb luck. > > Don't be stupid like me. > > Stop. Think. Go SLOW. > Stay Alive. > > Dave S. > > Article: 325092 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Cmon nospam" References: Subject: Re: eBay and "Non-selling Sellers"? Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:54:22 -0600 Message-ID: <4366ae8d$0$20360$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Yes... but rarely are Ebay transactions worth going to court over and you'd need thousands of dollars for legal and travel fees. Realistically, best you can do is report them to Ebay. "Cmdr Buzz Corey" wrote in message news:ZK2dnRhkkM5A7_venZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@gbronline.com... > Just like your bid is a contract to purchase the item at the price you > bid if you win the acution, his putting the item up for auction is a > contract to sell at the winning high bid, whether he thinks the bid was > high enough or not. Not setting a reserve or starting at a higher > starting bid is his problem, not yours. Article: 325093 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: Clough-Brengle 87 Project Page Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:04:44 GMT I've started another web page for the Clough-Brengle model 87 preservation project. http://radioheaven.homestead.com/CB87project.html There are photos, with more coming of the as found condition, and I'll be adding more in the days to come as the project progresses. Check it out if you're interested. 73, Ron Article: 325094 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lou deGonzague Subject: Re: Clough-Brengle 87 Project Page References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:30:37 GMT Did you get the broken insulators replaced? Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > I've started another web page for the Clough-Brengle > model 87 preservation project. > http://radioheaven.homestead.com/CB87project.html > > There are photos, with more coming of the as found > condition, and I'll be adding more in the days to come > as the project progresses. > > Check it out if you're interested. > > 73, Ron Article: 325095 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130764394.194826.304300@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:47:21 -0500 "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1130764394.194826.304300@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Lemme see... I shipped an AA6 radio (Philco 46-460) via USPS Insured > Priority Mail from Wyncote, PA to California. Cost: $26.10, postage > alone. I had the boxes and the packing, but given how I shipped it > (double-boxed, oversize outer box), there was easily $10 in packing had > I purchased it directly. I tend to use priority mail as it spends the > least amount of time possible within a reasonable cost in transit. > > I suppose you would have whined a sniveled as well had he charged $8 > for packing and shipping and you received a box of loose and assorted > bits. I recently "sold" a bit of audio stuff here. I have NOT shipped > it yet as I do not have appropriate packing to hold the item safely > through a ~3000 mile journey. And when I do ship it, I fully expect > that the cost will exceed $50 just on the label. > > Put another way, you have spent more energy sniveling than $19 worth of > gas and some gumption... which may have gotten you away from your > computer and out into the world...who knows, you may have found a dozen > radios, tubes or other goodies in one carefully planned weekend. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA Peter I beg to disagree here. How much does it cost to ship FIVE 6F6 audio tubes? And, we might assume these are metals due to the lack of a suffix. I've ordered many sleeves of octal tubes on eBay, and I would have to say that charging 29 dollars for postage is OUTRAGEOUS! You can't compare this to shipping a bakelite AA5, which does require extraordinary care and effort. I'd bet priority mail would run under 5 bucks for these items, and USPS provides the boxes for free. Pete > Article: 325096 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ron in Radio Heaven Subject: Re: Clough-Brengle 87 Project Page References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:55:05 GMT Lou deGonzague wrote: > Did you get the broken insulators replaced? > I've got'em, Bill W2DGB sent me 4 exact replacements. As soon as I get through cleaning and I get the nickel plated hardware back I'll get the them installed. 73, Ron Article: 325097 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Uncle Peter" References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:55:23 -0500 "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com.. Just as matter of interest, most dealers are getting 9 to 10 bucks each for metal 6F6 tubes. You might keep that in mind, paying the shipping might be worth if if you win the bid at five bucks! Pete Article: 325098 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Crazy George" References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:18:13 -0600 Message-ID: <4366c5ea_2@news1.prserv.net> Gary: A bit of perspective. Your car radios are generally low on B+ due to the vibrator problems you cite. OTOH, US AC line voltages have risen from 110 to 115 to 120 to an apparent standard of 125 VAC these days. So, the silicon diodes help you, and hurt AC radios. Are the solid state vibrator replacements designed to resonate the old values of the original buffer caps? -- Crazy George W5VPQ My real address is my ham call ARRLNET The ATTGlobal is a SPAM trap. "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:nG39f.3686$yX2.1346@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Seems a bit funny, but I never ever ever have a rectifier problem like this. > Yet I've seen many radios rebuilt by others with the two diodes stuck in the > tube socket. > > Bear in mind these are car radios, most of which use 0Z4's, 6X4's, or > 12X4's. If I have a power supply problem, which is frequent, it is usually > attributed to the vibrator. Many of these have been forced open and > tinkered with, usually more than once. In all cases, these radios leave > here with solid state vibrators -- along with all new caps in the power > supply, and generally all paper caps replaced in the entire radio. I've had > a few radios come here with bad solid state vibrators. In EVERY case, the > buffer is old or missing entirely! Now what dimwit would remove . . . > that's okay, it's income. > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message > news:NW29f.524648$xm3.226639@attbi_s21... > > In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet > > says... > >> > >> > >>another way to go is to use ONE 6AX5GT tube. It will handle the current > >>of > >>two 6X5's, and , I dont think the socket needs to be modified... but I > >>dont > >>recall for sure. The 6AX5GT is a rectifier from the early 60's, they are > >>plentiful and cheap. > >>Its a real good idea to add a primary fuse of about 1.5 a to any Zenith > >>using 6X5's. Better yet, add a B+ line fuse too, of 150MA-175MA or so. > >> > >>Mark Oppat > >> > > > > OK One More Time ... perhaps the later 6X5 is a little better... BUT NOT > > MUCH > > BETTER... > > > > Mark's cure of the 6AX5 I can agree with.. > > > > I take old junk octal tubes.. bust off the glass and install a pair of > > 1N4007 > > diodes into the old tube base.. this way the radio isn't modified at all. > > Is my preference... > > NO RADIO GOES OUT THIS DOOR WITH 6X5 TOOBS IN IT!... > > > > Next a 1.5 amp primary fuse WILL NOT BLOW IN THAT RADIO IF THE 6X5 TUBE > > CROAKS.... cause Zenith was too stingy with their power trannies.. it goes > > into saturation with the HV short and the primary current doesn't increase > > enough to come close to 1.5 A fuse.... > > > > using a 150-175 ma fuse in the HV lead.. yes that will save it... > > So now that radio was sold to some poor slob in lower slobovia... who > > knows nothing about radios and electronics... and that fuse croaks.. > > > > He can't fix it... and so he pulls the chassis out.. and returns it to > > me... 25 bux to the PO... I fix fuse and install another lousy 6x5 > > and send it back... another 25 bux to the PO ... sorta stupid if you > > ask me for something that we know to start with is JUNK TUBE... > > > > Your Wax is already running outta your tranny... why?... well two > > reasons...first possible is the 6x5 I doubt that cause when that tube > > croaks > > it kills that tranny before the wax hardly has a chance to get out of the > > case... > > > > Why Else is your tranny puking wax?... its because your linevoltage is > > too high for that radio...... solution is to use a little of that empty > > space > > on the end of the chassis to install a suitable power resistor ... > > ballpark > > on that one 30 ohms at 20 watts.... will drop the line far enough that the > > 6x5 diodes replacements and the rest of that radio will be a happy camper > > and > > give good service for many years to come.... > > > > John k9uwa > > > > Article: 325099 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:25:57 +0100 Message-ID: References: <3xs9f.2990$Jo3.2446@tornado.socal.rr.com> Jeffrey D Angus wrote > > David Stinson wrote: > > Damn lucky to still be breathing. > > It used to be a running thing in the ARRL Magazine. > A picture of a disconnect switch and the phrase: > "Switch to safety." How to switch a FM transmitter to safety while adjusting for maximum output? OK, my failure. Has built my transmitter on a chassis >from an antenna amplifier. all circuits was adjusted by unisolated variable capacitors. Using an unisolated clockmaker screwdriver for adjustment ... outch! Details: ECC81 (FM by varicap diode), driving QQE03/12. The final step to RS1006B was stopped by criminal police ;-) (they have seen my transmitter falling from my desk, looking through the window) Kind Regards, Georg Article: 325100 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: Favourite selling descriptions... Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 02:48:27 +0100 Message-ID: References: Buck Frobisher wrote: > "THIS RADIO WORKS I JUST CANNOT GET THE CHANNELS TO COME IN" > > I have a lot of radios like that... The piano played very well before it was burning, maybe a marginal defect ;-) Kind Regards Georg Article: 325101 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1130764394.194826.304300@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:59:58 GMT " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:hWy9f.42579$fE5.36184@fed1read06... > Peter > > I beg to disagree here. > > How much does it cost to ship FIVE 6F6 audio tubes? And, we might > assume these are metals due to the lack of a suffix. I've ordered many > sleeves of octal tubes on eBay, and I would have to > say that charging 29 dollars for postage is OUTRAGEOUS! > You can't compare this to shipping a bakelite > AA5, which does require extraordinary care and effort. > I'd bet priority mail would run under 5 bucks for these items, and > USPS provides the boxes for free. > > Pete Heavens, yes, less... Article: 325102 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: You be the judge about this seller's integrity and attitude Message-ID: <80A9f.908$ZA3.213356@monger.newsread.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:01:40 GMT " Uncle Peter" wrote in message news:P1z9f.42581$fE5.26501@fed1read06... > > "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message > news:1130726413.873599.204580@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com.. > > Just as matter of interest, most dealers are getting 9 to 10 bucks > each for metal 6F6 tubes. You might keep that in mind, paying the > shipping might be worth if if you win the bid at five bucks! > > Pete 17 or more...I still think I have a number of non-NOS he could have as-is...and I'll look after the party. Article: 325103 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4366D216.BF671273@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think References: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:25:27 -0500 Can you imagine wha would have happened if the radio was plugged in... All kidding a side, glad you are ok and a great reminder about the lethal voltages in some of these radios. Regards, Sal Brisindi David Stinson wrote: > I work on solid state stuff all day long. > 12-48 volts leads to complacency. > Lack of rest can also cost you. > > NEVER work on boatanchor radios > when you're tired or distracted! > It's so easy to get in the habit of just > grabbing stuff when it's only got 12 volts on it. > Like checking to see if that resistor is getting hot. > 500 volts HURTS. BAD. > > Damn lucky to still be breathing. > I got away with a burn, bruises from > falling over and a knot on my head. > Pure, God-given dumb luck. > > Don't be stupid like me. > > Stop. Think. Go SLOW. > Stay Alive. > > Dave S. Article: 325104 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4366D324.984DAA4A@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: Mini pots for transistor radios References: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:29:56 -0500 Bill, I may have a bunch of them in my shed as I aquired a bunch of unbuilt transistor radios in various boxes. If you did not locate the switch, email me and I will take a look tomorrow when I get home from work. Regards, Sal Brisindi Bill wrote: > Rune wrote: > > > They must be available somewhere, they're still using them in new stuff. > > > > You know the kind - Japanese (Hong Kong, etc.) plastic housing, takes a > > thumbwheel knob, held on by a screw, switch is a cam that opens/closes arm, > > usually 5K, etc. > > > > Nobody seems to stock them. Does one have to find and buy from a > > manufacturer? > > > Anyone know a source? > > > > Ray > > > > > > Try Mouser.com > > A typical p/n would be 311-1202-5k and from there you can find the > various types. > > GL, > Bill Article: 325105 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4366D34C.3A26954C@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: Mini pots for transistor radios References: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:30:36 -0500 Oops, I mean Rune... not Bill. Sal Rune wrote: > They must be available somewhere, they're still using them in new stuff. > > You know the kind - Japanese (Hong Kong, etc.) plastic housing, takes a > thumbwheel knob, held on by a screw, switch is a cam that opens/closes arm, > usually 5K, etc. > > Nobody seems to stock them. Does one have to find and buy from a > manufacturer? > > I have several old sets here - including a few American ones - that are > languishing for lack of these. I've been searching the net so long I have a > headache. > > Anyone know a source? > > Ray Article: 325106 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4366D404.4CC3AC28@optonline.net> From: Sal Brisindi Subject: Re: Dial Cover Business For Sale References: <8130-4363ADAB-144@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:33:41 -0500 Hi Bill, Nice to hear from you, how are you doing? Regards, Sal Brisindi Bill Turner wrote: > MY OPERATION IS STILL ONGOING. I HAVE TURNED THE ENTIRE OPERATION OVER > TO MY SON WHOSE ADDRESS IS LISTED ON MY WEBSITE. > > CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com > Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. > Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Tue Nov 1 00:50:11 EST 2005 Article: 325107 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Re: Is this Pye real References: <4363f193$0$3761$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 12 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:40:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1130812856 66.65.49.10 (Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:40:56 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:40:56 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!cyclone1.gnilink.net!gnilink.net!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:325107 In article <4363f193$0$3761$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net>, Bill Morris wrote: > Someone restored one and posted all the problems he had with it on a > website. He says it's Pot Metal City, poorly designed. I remember reading that story about 5 or 6 years ago. Yeah. Cracked metal bits everywhere. I think that one was a house-current operated one though. -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 325108 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Adney Subject: Re: 6X5's Converted to Diodes - Why? Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:03:51 -0600 Message-ID: <4tfbm1d787chfe4igcj6meaaqbtr85p038@4ax.com> References: <4cX8f.35571$fE5.34186@fed1read06> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 13:33:19 -0500 jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrote: >In article , >k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) wrote: > >> Next a 1.5 amp primary fuse WILL NOT BLOW IN THAT RADIO IF THE 6X5 TUBE >> CROAKS.... cause Zenith was too stingy with their power trannies.. it goes >> into saturation with the HV short and the primary current doesn't increase >> enough to come close to 1.5 A fuse.... > >Why would the transformer go into saturation when the HV is shorted? >Saturation is a voltage induced effect, if anything I would expect a HV >short to reduce the tendency toward saturation because of the extra >voltage drop in the primary caused by the heavy current from the HV >short. Where is my reasoning going wrong here? You're right. It sounds like what he is dexcribing is more of an current limiting effect due to the impedance of the primary, secondary, or both. While saturation generally applies to magnetic saturation, this could be considered a kind of "current" saturation. - ----------------------------------------------- Jim Adney jadney@vwtype3.org Madison, WI 53711 USA ----------------------------------------------- From stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Tue Nov 1 00:50:12 EST 2005 Article: 325109 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Stephanie Weil Subject: Looking for x-tals: 740, 1240 or 1250 khz Reply-To: stephanie-at-gordsven-dot-com Message-ID: User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.4 (Linux) Lines: 14 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:16:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.65.49.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com 1130814967 66.65.49.10 (Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:16:07 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:16:07 EST Organization: Road Runner High Speed Online http://www.rr.com Path: news1.isis.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.easynews.com!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!news-west.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com!cyclone.rdc-nyc.rr.com!news-out.nyc.rr.com!news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news1.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:325109 Hi folks. I'm looking for a crystal for either 740, 1240 or 1250 khz. It's for a small AM transmitter. Would anyone have one they could sell or know someplace I could order just one? I tried ordering one from Bomar, but you can only order lots from them. Thanks guys! -- Stephanie Weil New York City, U.S.A. Article: 325110 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: tbavis@_remove_this_rochester.rr.com (Tom Bavis) Subject: Re: For God's Sake- Stop and Think Message-ID: <4366e342.14273093@news-server> References: Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:43:27 GMT I had the opposite problem - this 40V solid state stuff is nuttin' after working on transmitters with 3-8KV.... but a solid-state kilowatt will burn ya too... On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:51:19 GMT, David Stinson wrote: >I work on solid state stuff all day long. >12-48 volts leads to complacency. >Lack of rest can also cost you. > >NEVER work on boatanchor radios >when you're tired or distracted! >It's so easy to get in the habit of just >grabbing stuff when it's only got 12 volts on it. >Like checking to see if that resistor is getting hot. >500 volts HURTS. BAD. > >Damn lucky to still be breathing. >I got away with a burn, bruises from >falling over and a knot on my head. >Pure, God-given dumb luck. > >Don't be stupid like me. > >Stop. Think. Go SLOW. > Stay Alive. > >Dave S. > > Article: 325111 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" Subject: Which war? Message-ID: <76D9f.4023$AS6.1085@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 05:32:51 GMT Check this unit out! I'm not sure which war the seller was refering to http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-working-prewar-Silvertone-bakelite-radio_W0QQitemZ6574662059QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting Article: 325112 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Randy or Sherry Guttery Subject: Re: Which war? References: <76D9f.4023$AS6.1085@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:41:29 -0600 Omer Suleimanagich wrote: > Check this unit out! > > I'm not sure which war the seller was refering to > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-working-prewar-Silvertone-bakelite-radio_W0QQitemZ6574662059QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting The "Commentator" hit the streets in 1939; which - for the United States - was pre-WWII... best regards... -- randy guttery A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews so vital to the United States Silent Service: http://tendertale.com Article: 325113 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Dinius_" <25@624.com> References: <76D9f.4023$AS6.1085@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Which war? Message-ID: <8kD9f.922$ZA3.216399@monger.newsread.com> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 05:47:48 GMT Thank you! If it doesn't get too goofy...I really like it, and Ken G can't poke at the cabinet :-p "Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message news:fcD9f.23162$wG.15657@bignews4.bellsouth.net... > Omer Suleimanagich wrote: > > > Check this unit out! > > > > I'm not sure which war the seller was refering to > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Beautiful-working-prewar-Silvertone-bakelite-radio_W0QQitemZ6574662059QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting > > The "Commentator" hit the streets in 1939; which - for the United > States - was pre-WWII... > > best regards... > -- > randy guttery > > A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews > so vital to the United States Silent Service: > http://tendertale.com