Article: 333619 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <1146140872.427772.274630@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1146143971.171892.40160@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146149933.803901.326300@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT. relay question Message-ID: <0ng5g.1640$ZL6.368@trndny04> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 04:44:44 GMT "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1146149933.803901.326300@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > from what i have read, the resistor is more durable. spike protection...many of the relays come with resistors for this purpose. the relay in this particular case did. the application is a starter relay on an indian motorcycle. Sorry, Never heard/seen of a resistor being used in any of these arc or reverse EMF supression applications. I have seen it on spark plug wires. But that is an RFI thing. Perhaps that is why Indan is failing so much. No Caps across the contacts. But there are a ot of thinkgs that I have not seen yet. > there is a failure problem in the > field. points are burning and sticking. Arc supression caps across the contacts (like the condencer on the points of an old distributer). I have seen 0.1 to 0.01 to 0.001 uf at 200-600v ceramic or better used in these applications. Just be careful your capacitor does not make an oscilator out of the circuit that you are connecting it to. If you are switching a starter solinoid/bendix and/or motor then you probably have significant reverse EMF comming back off of you starter too. That EMF is likely showing up on your relay contacts. You should be safe with a 0.1 uf 600 volt beefy ceramics. OR a big diode connected to the starter motor wires just like the relay coil as refered to below. >but everything i read seems to > indicate a diode would be better in this application. Diodes are used to suppress the reverse EMF when the magnetic field of the coil collapses. It should be connected in parallel to the coil in a polarity that it does NOT conduct when the relay is energized. A good old 1N4004 or 1N4007 should do it. I have not calculated the reversed EMF and current for a 12 volt relay of a given resistance for many years. There are may 12 volt relays used in industry for motor start/run applications. Lots of them have Bifurcated (sp?) contacts. Not exactly sure what that all entails other than a plating of a durable contact material. Sounds like with a step up in relay quality and some suppressor caps you should be "in like Flint". Paul. Article: 333620 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 04:51:06 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > > gotta fight ya on that line voltage issue, John. I dont think its that > important, usually. Most homes today still run under 120V, at least around > here. Its pretty rare they run above that... but, I know it DOES happen... > probably only 5% of homes have that. > > I have never , ever seen a set I could say that a "too high" AC line was the > cause of the failure. Sure, it could contribute... but there is always the > MAIN reason, bad capacitors, shorted tube, whatever. Have you ever done any testing to see if a radio's power transformer is saturating, or is this just another "Rule of thumb" that it can't happen? The line voltage was closer to 100 volts when these radios were built. My line voltage is 125 to 127 most of the time. That could be up to a 25 % increase over what the radio was intended to operate at. Higher line voltage will increase the current loading, also increasing the heat generated by a power transformer. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 333621 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net> Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT - Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 04:55:42 GMT "jim menning" wrote in message news:ljU2g.3274$1J4.198@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Bill Turner" wrote in message > news:444bb31e_4@newsfeed.slurp.net... >> >> >> Wise up, guys. Unbuilt Heathkits are collector's items, far more >> valuable than a built one. >> >> Bill, W6WRT >> > > Yep. Just keep watching this one: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624140065 > > My guess at the final bid: $707.63 > > jim menning > > > Darn, I was a little short. Winning bid: $787.77. But I'm still not surprised by that. jim menning Article: 333622 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:19:59 -0700 Message-ID: <8h6b52ppstdieoucv5hc38vhnv33113v44@4ax.com> References: On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:42:13 -0400, "gkb" wrote: >The paper I have says B&A Railroad on it. B&A Is Bangor and Arostock. That would be "Bangor & Aroostook", pronounced "Bangah and ArOOOOOstuck....ayuh!" However, B&A could also have been the Boston & Albany. Article: 333623 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Ronette Cartridge pin connections Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:22:20 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146368145.598451.67720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 20:35:45 -0700, Gerry wrote: > Hi - I have some Ronette barrel-style flip-over stereo cartridges, such > as a new T-1, an older 208, 105, etc. Problem is, the pins are not > properly marked as to their connections. One has no markings > whatsoever, two others have numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 - instead of R, L, RG, > LG, or color coding. What number corresponds to which connection??? > In my case, I have Red, White, Green, and Black wires on a VM > turntable. > > I know this information is out there somewhere, as I recall reading the > subject once before. I remember that it even mentioned that the output > of the cartridge is marked on the shoulder of the metal band. Another > dilemma is which side is for the Lp needle and which for the 78? > Again, no markings to designate which is which. I have noticed in some > photos that it would appear that the Lp side has the clear pickup piece > that the needle rests in, and the 78 would be on the side with the > black rubber (?) pickup piece. Is that correct? I've been Googling > for hours, and can't find any technical info on Ronette cartridges at > all... > > Thanks, Gerry > Baltimore, MD > If you have access to a microscope it is easy to tell the styli apart: the tip of the 78 stylus is much larger (3X - 4X) than the LP stylus. It doesn't take much of a microscope to see it; a cheap handheld unit will work if your hand is steady enough. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333624 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:22:48 -0700 Message-ID: <8k6b52tvog1eh108iree3opsirja0ehttj@4ax.com> References: <10936-445508F1-48@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 21:43:59 -0400, "gkb" wrote: >I didn't think the TTY was telegraph. TTY WAS telegraph. In the final days of telegraph service by AT&T in the mid '90s, it was all TTY technology, but it was indeed "telegraph service," right down to the "one wire" local subscriber line. The last users of telegraph service, oddly enough, were the stock marketeers and banks, who'd do anything to shave a buck. Long haul, telegraph was carried on "carrier telegraph" channel units, which would, if memory serves me correctly carry 6 telegraph channels in one C-band voice channel. Article: 333625 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:24:52 -0700 Message-ID: <9r6b52lf0gpf4sv3ereuafa1k47fjdphbj@4ax.com> References: <56e5g.1247$g01.930@trnddc01> <7226-44558745-248@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:57:57 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: >Go to a Western Union place at a H.E.B.food store in San Antonio,Texas >and place a Westren Union thingy. New Valley Corp., who wound up with what was left of WUT when the money order and telegraph parts were separated, ceased telegram service some months back. You now cannot send a telegram in the US. Article: 333626 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: ID this Console? Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2006 22:31:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146402882.486982.317000@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:14:42 -0700, Dave wrote: > Can anyone ID the console in the background of this photo? > http://tinyurl.com/72byh I have the chassis out of a Magnavox that looks something like that but the date doesn't match. One interesting thing about it though, the function switch shows "FM" but it's an AM only radio. "FM" was achieved by an adapter that you had to buy separately. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333627 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 01:05:39 -0500 Message-ID: <5950-4455A533-328@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <9r6b52lf0gpf4sv3ereuafa1k47fjdphbj@4ax.com> I was in San Antonio,Texas in 1993.I had just went back from Mexico to Texas. www.hometownfreepress.com TEXAS. Western Union SUCKS!!!!! BIG TIME!!!!!!!! (Excuse me Trollsville,Mississippi Coon Ass Language) cuhulin Article: 333628 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: One handsome Zenith.... Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:29:51 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1146227507.895679.173800@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "John Powers" wrote in message news:mOh5g.5656$An2.3488@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... > I'm not a Zentih collector, but I am curious about the "Wave Magnet" box > next to the speaker. I'm assuming that it's the antenna... what is it > composed of, does it work well? > > JP It's a loop antenna. Those large loops worked quite well. Article: 333629 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: paulSPAM@paulsherwin.co.uk (Paul Sherwin) Subject: Re: FA: Euro radio of some kind (not mine) Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 10:25:20 GMT Message-ID: <4455e0bc.3893138@news.demon.co.uk> References: <5LmdnRzNneAjqMnZRVn-rQ@comcast.com> <1146370122.881706.44810@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146449170.130927.132540@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 30 Apr 2006 19:06:10 -0700, "Terry S" wrote: >European, all right. I don't recognize it either. Wish there was a good >shot of that plate on the backside. It's early 30s, at a guess German (possibly Weimar, pre Nazis). The dial shows the BBC National LW service at Daventry - this moved to Droitwich in October 1934. Best regards, Paul -- Paul Sherwin Consulting http://paulsherwin.co.uk From adouglasatgis.net Wed May 3 22:58:28 EDT 2006 Article: 333630 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 06:40:02 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-274.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news2 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:333630 Hi, > The line voltage was closer to 100 volts when these radios were >built. 120V was not uncommon even in the 1920s, and a few places had 125V. Radios were designed to take anything. Alan -- NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth Article: 333631 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: check this speaker mounting!!! References: <1146450935.555205.252400@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 07:28:44 -0400 That speaker looks a lot like an oval auto spk, you can see where it has been spliced in the rear view. Ken feldtm@msn.com wrote: > No, I think that dial is original. I've seen a lot of radios over the > years that used that particular style of dial. It's a generic white > dial with black scales and it usually has a compass design in the > center to emphasize worldwide reception, just like the dial that's on > that radio in this auction. A lot of catalog brand radios used a > similar black and white dial during 1935 and 1936. Most airplane radio > dials, on American radios, were either orange, tan, or black but a > scant few were, indeed, white. White dials were usually reserved for > farm battery radios where battery conservation was a high priority and > it would have been wasteful of the batteries to illuminate the dial. > As far as that speaker set up is concerned, that too looks > original. Just another, low tech, sales gimmick. I doubt it did > anything to improve the sound quality; in fact, it probably made it a > little worse. I'd have to hear one of those models, in person, to find > out for sure. > That cabinet was defiantly shlopped over with a thick application > of varnish. Who ever did it must have used a paint roller. I can't be > sure but I think I see some flies that are still stuck to it. > > Michael Feldt > www.indianaradios.com > Article: 333632 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146454213.966366.36980@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146479593.051043.148710@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Still need help with schematic for this Brunswick radio Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 12:56:20 GMT "Dave" wrote in message news:1146479593.051043.148710@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > Have done a Google Image Search for 'Schematic for Brunswick Model 1050 > Radio' unsuccesfully I'd like to help more, but I don't really have > that type of information readily available as I don't live in the US. > Sorry I could'nt be of any more help. Thought there might have been at > least an online store where you can buy these things. There has to be, > surely? > Damn, we were all counting on you. You were our only hope. Now Brenda Ann might as well trash the set. jim menning Article: 333633 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" References: Subject: Re: Sure is amazing what folks say in ebay listings... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:20:49 -0400 "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:DqednQmSzNf8bsjZRVn-tA@comcast.com... > Yup. The AM band was abandoned decades ago. Well, he said, "I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THESE WAVES ARE no longer BROADCAST ON ANYMORE SO THE UNIT IS ONLY PICKING UP STATIC.", so who knows? Don't use no double negatives, as my teacher used to say... Article: 333634 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" Subject: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:36:27 -0500 All prices add Media Mail Shipping from 55992. Audel's Radioman's Guide (1944) 880pg $15: http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book2.jpg Coyne Applied Practical Radio Books, Vol 1-5 $10: http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book3.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book4.jpg Audel's New Electric Library, Vol 1-11 (1942) complete $40: http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book5.jpg Note: The following Riders can be purchased as a set for $20 Rider's on Volume control (1936) $5: Rider's on D-C Voltage distribution in Radio Receivers (1936) $5 Rider's on Resonance & Alignment (1936) $5: Rider's on AC currents in Radio Receivers (1936) $5: Rider's Frequency Modulation (1940) $5 Radio Mfgs of the 20s, Douglas: Vol #1 $20 hardback w/jacket http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/201.jpg Vol #2 $40 hardback w/jacket http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/202.jpg Vol #3 $20 softback http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/203.jpg Radio Servicing, Theory and Practice Abraham Marcus (1948) 750pg $10 Radio Physics Course, Ghirardi (1933) 972pg Pline has rip. $10 Electrical Essentials of Radio, Slurzberg Osterheld (1944) 529pg $10 Reply to: brianehill@HATcharter.net Remove the HAT before replying! Regards B.H. Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 333635 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 08:39:10 -0500 PS Guys I prefer Pay Pal if you can swing it. I have a very hard time getting to the bank sometimes. But I will take your chks and MOs if its not possible. Thanks BH Article: 333636 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" Subject: FS Chinese type 139 set Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 09:31:03 -0500 NOS never been fired up. I removed it from it's factory packing. It's essentially brand new. Made around 1970. I believe these were also used by the Vietcong during the war. It includes two sets of headphones and the radio has two jacks also. it has a complete extra set of new tubes and fuses etc... All its carrying straps and accessories bag are in new condition. All leather is new and pliable. Very nice unit. $200 http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio1.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio2.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio3.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio4.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio5.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio6.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio7.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio8.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio9.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio10.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio11.jpg http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/radio12.jpg Add Shipping from 55992 for 25lbs. Reply to: brianehill@HATcharter.net Remove the HAT before replying! Regards B.H. Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm Article: 333637 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Chris F." References: Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:44:57 GMT I posted a picture to alt.binaries.pictures.radio, check it out and you'll see what I'm talking about.... "Chris F." wrote in message news:g245g.844$A26.23970@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > A friend recently gave me a huge roll (about 5lbs) of old blank Telegraph > paper. It was by Canadian Pacific and measured about 8 1/2" wide. He was > cleaning out an estate, and said there was a whole case of this unused > paper that was going to the trash. Is it worth saving? I couldn't find > anything like it on Ebay by which to judge its value. If it's of value, I > need to know very soon so he can pick it up before it's gone. > > -- > To reply via Email, remove NOSPAM from the address > Article: 333638 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu> From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: FS Books References: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 08:24:04 -0700 Brian - I will take the three Douglas books. See private email for arrangements. Bill Jeffrey ___________________________ Brian Hill wrote: > All prices add Media Mail Shipping from 55992. > > Audel's Radioman's Guide (1944) 880pg $15: > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book2.jpg > > Coyne Applied Practical Radio Books, Vol 1-5 $10: > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book3.jpg > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book4.jpg > > Audel's New Electric Library, Vol 1-11 (1942) complete $40: > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/book5.jpg > > > Note: The following Riders can be purchased as a set for $20 > Rider's on Volume control (1936) $5: > Rider's on D-C Voltage distribution in Radio Receivers (1936) $5 > Rider's on Resonance & Alignment (1936) $5: > Rider's on AC currents in Radio Receivers (1936) $5: > Rider's Frequency Modulation (1940) $5 > > Radio Mfgs of the 20s, Douglas: > Vol #1 $20 hardback w/jacket > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/201.jpg > Vol #2 $40 hardback w/jacket > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/202.jpg > Vol #3 $20 softback > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/203.jpg > > > Radio Servicing, Theory and Practice Abraham Marcus (1948) 750pg $10 > > Radio Physics Course, Ghirardi (1933) 972pg Pline has rip. $10 > > Electrical Essentials of Radio, Slurzberg Osterheld (1944) 529pg $10 > > Reply to: brianehill@HATcharter.net > Remove the HAT before replying! > > Regards > B.H. > > Brian's Radio Universe > http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm > > Article: 333639 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Still need help with schematic for this Brunswick radio Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:19:31 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-44562703-438@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146489182.513682.188750@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> I will check with old man Thomas Burnside,here in Trollsville.(he isn't a troll though,in fact,he and his wife doesn't have internet access,they would probally beat you up if you bring a computer to their house) He has a lot of old radio papers and old radios and stuff like that,old clocks and different things.He lives exactly one mile West of me.He usually has something advertised for sale in Antique Radio Classified,he gets those snail mail thingys.Did y'all know High Frequency Radio was invented in this state? Kind of supprises ya,eh? cuhulin Article: 333640 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Ping Yerke Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:05:34 -0700 Message-ID: 3 days and counting. Personal checks are OK with address/phone #. Article: 333641 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: <44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:08:58 -0500 "Bill Jeffrey" wrote in message news:44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu... > Brian - > > I will take the three Douglas books. See private email for arrangements. > > Bill Jeffrey Hi Bill. How are ya? Ok there yours. Thanks Your email bounced when I tried to write you. Brian Article: 333642 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: <44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: <6qq5g.24$n67.3@fe06.lga> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:10:14 -0500 BTW my email is: brianehill@HATcharter.net Remove the HAT before replying! Article: 333643 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 09:26:03 -0700 Message-ID: <2hcc52lpiiucuapuc8d4scrmi3r7rnoeb1@4ax.com> References: <10936-445508F1-48@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> <8k6b52tvog1eh108iree3opsirja0ehttj@4ax.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 15:44:46 GMT, "Jeremy" wrote: >AT&T did not offer Telegraph Service. There was a consent decree from >decades back that gave AT&T the right to carry voice and Western Union to >operate the telegraph network. The HELL they didn't. The last telegraph board I worked at for AT&T was in 1992. You have bad information. AT&T inherited all those telegraph hubs via "normalization" of toll facilities and test boards by gobbling up all the toll functions of the associated companies (knowns as the LECs after Divestiture) during the "normalization" period of 1976-1984. The goal there was to get as much of the toll part of the business into AT&T Long Lines control before the "Divestiture" decree came down from Judge Green. The WUT consent decree you're talking about WAY predated that, and had to do with "telegram" service, not "telegraph" service, per se. AT&T's telegraph service to customer prem-to-customer prem. Prior to abandoning telegraph service, there was a telegraph hub and test board in every major AT&T toll center in the US. Now this is not "telegram" service, which is what I think you're confused about. AT&T was prohibited from offering "telegram" service until Divestiture was completed in 1984. After that, they were freed from that (and many other restrictions) and that's how they eventually wound up with WUT's Easylink service, which they received from the remnants of WUT circa 1990. I have an AT&T Easylink clock sitting right here on my desk, a gift from a district manager for me establishing international telex service via AT&T Easylink for all of AT&T's C-band international earth stations. By the time AT&T acquired Easylink, there WAS no "telegram" service to speak of, and "telegrams" were simply "mailgrams." However, telex service was still a big part of their business. AT&T's bungling and mismanagement killed off their Easylink subsidiary but a few years after they acquired it from WUT. Back when I hired in with Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, people distined for work in the toll sector of the business were generally sent to telegraph first to "learn the ropes" of toll service. From there, they'd go to perhaps private line testboard, or perhaps to facilities jobs, like carrier, cable and radio. When AT&T discontinued telegraph service around 1993, it was still tarriffed at $19/mo. They claimed they were losing money on every telegarph leg operating, but what they neglected to say was that all the toll equipment in the hubs and board had existed since the '30s, some of it, the latest installations being in the very early '60s. The cost they were bitching about was the monthly lease fee for the one wire subscriber leg, paid either to the LEC or independent company, like GTE, United or Continental. Also, in AT&T's beancounters' minds, all that terminal equipment at the toll offices had been fully amortized for at least 20 years, and wasn't provding a nice depreciation cushion on the bottom line. So, out it went, to the hew and cry of many subscribers who liked the 100 baud/75 mA cheapie service. Article: 333644 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:24:24 -0500 Message-ID: <9732-44563638-29@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: MCI,,,, Worldcom flubbed the dub too.I live about five miles East of that building over there in Clinton,Mississippi.(no kin to bill klintoon.Clinton was named after an ex governor of New York,or something like that) y'all wont find any commies five miles West of me in Clinton,Mississippi.There might be some trolls over there though.I am going over there tomorrow to a discount tobacco store for a few six ounce cardboard cans of cigarette tobacco.There sure are some cute gals that work over there too. cuhulin Article: 333645 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT - Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:33:22 -0500 Message-ID: <9734-44563852-1@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: I own a Heathkit Signal Tracer.Does that count for anything? I dont know if it works.I bought it for a dollar or two at a Goodwill store a bunch of years ago. cuhulin Article: 333646 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: FS: HEATHKIT IM5284 Multimeter - UNBUILT - Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:39:11 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-445639AF-462@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: They are all ''fascinating finds'',,, are they noo? Go to the discount bread store for day old bread.That ebay thingy is Too Much Money For The Amount Of Bread. cuhulin Article: 333647 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Speaking of shipping Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:41:54 -0500 Message-ID: <9731-44563A52-101@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Guten Tag,,, At least I dont use Earthlink. cuhulin Article: 333648 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Mess-ages Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:46:16 -0500 Message-ID: <9730-44563B58-464@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Uh Huh,,,, and Friends Dont Let Friends Use aol. www.google.com aol Utah (Gun grabbers) cuhulin Article: 333649 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:56:08 -0700 Message-ID: <6amc529b1odch3efu68gbomg1meqnemufq@4ax.com> References: <9732-44563638-29@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> On Mon, 1 May 2006 11:24:24 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: >MCI,,,, Worldcom flubbed the dub too.I live about five miles East of >that building over there in Clinton,Mississippi.(no kin to bill >klintoon.Clinton was named after an ex governor of New York,or something >like that) y'all wont find any commies five miles West of me in >Clinton,Mississippi. No, just some disgusting corporate criminals who need to be shot, that's all. I remember when McGowan's "Microwave Communications of Iowa" (that's why MCI stood for) started leasing trunk groups from AT&T Long Lines and the associated companies, and then resold them just a little bit cheaper than what the Bell System was offering for voice service. Service was LOUSY, due to their harebrained switched and local routing setup. Every week it seemed, McGowan was suing us for something. 9 out of 10 MCI suits against AT&T were dismissed. MCI always was, until the end, a cheesy, flim-flamish fraud. Article: 333650 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: check this speaker mounting!!! Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 14:57:59 -0400 Message-ID: <125cmi7n45iv68e@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146450935.555205.252400@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> Mark Oppat wrote: > its not oval... there werent any around that time.. you are just viewing it > at an angle. Oval speakers, to my knowledge, did not appear until postwar > in the USA. One of the earliest I know of is the 4X6 speaker in some > postwar Philco table radios. > > Mark Oppat RCA came out with an oval "Ellipticon" speaker for the 28T/X models. Even though this was a '42 model I think there were some made after the war. Great radio, btw. -Bill Article: 333651 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 11:59:36 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Mon, 01 May 2006 16:42:18 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) wrote: >Don`t worry i am planning to send you the $25 check on my 90th birthday,30 >some years and counting.Rick Try 87 days from now...or are you planning to welsh already? Article: 333652 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 15:02:51 -0400 Message-ID: <125cmr0idpiml10@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <1146397864.304373.289380@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1259crbet7s8t6c@corp.supernews.com> John Byrns wrote: > OK, that is a possible hypothesis, but do we have any evidence to suggest > that Bill's "hefty" transformer has significantly lower "magnetic > coupling" than does his less "hefty" example? Bill? Sorry John, I don't have any answers. I was just relating my experiences. -Bill Article: 333653 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu> <6qq5g.24$n67.3@fe06.lga> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: <81t5g.36525$hR6.137822@weber.videotron.net> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 15:07:10 -0400 "Brian Hill" wrote in message news:6qq5g.24$n67.3@fe06.lga... > BTW my email is: > brianehill@HATcharter.net > Remove the HAT before replying! > Thank God your addy isn't brianehill@PANTScharter.net... I'd feel somewhat uncomfortable... Syl Article: 333654 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: <44562814.1020606@alum.DOTmit.edu> <6qq5g.24$n67.3@fe06.lga> <81t5g.36525$hR6.137822@weber.videotron.net> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:23:07 -0500 "Syl" wrote in message news:81t5g.36525$hR6.137822@weber.videotron.net... > "Brian Hill" wrote in message > news:6qq5g.24$n67.3@fe06.lga... >> BTW my email is: >> brianehill@HATcharter.net >> Remove the HAT before replying! >> > > > Thank God your addy isn't brianehill@PANTScharter.net... > I'd feel somewhat uncomfortable... > > Syl > lol! Imagine how Id feel? ; ) BH Article: 333655 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brian Hill" References: <1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: <3jt5g.49$n67.45@fe06.lga> Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 14:28:06 -0500 "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > you realize that the Alan Douglas books (volume 3 in particular..i > think) are bringing more than a philco 38-116 on ebay don't you? > Yea but I thought it was Vol 2. If they don't sell soon? that's where there going. All I'm getting around here is tire kickers. : ) BH Article: 333656 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jeremy" References: <9732-44563638-29@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <6amc529b1odch3efu68gbomg1meqnemufq@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:44:06 GMT "DeserTBoB" wrote in message news:6amc529b1odch3efu68gbomg1meqnemufq@4ax.com... > On Mon, 1 May 2006 11:24:24 -0500, cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > >>MCI,,,, Worldcom flubbed the dub too.I live about five miles East of >>that building over there in Clinton,Mississippi.(no kin to bill >>klintoon.Clinton was named after an ex governor of New York,or something >>like that) y'all wont find any commies five miles West of me in >>Clinton,Mississippi. > > No, just some disgusting corporate criminals who need to be shot, > that's all. > > I remember when McGowan's "Microwave Communications of Iowa" (that's > why MCI stood for) started leasing trunk groups from AT&T Long Lines > and the associated companies, and then resold them just a little bit > cheaper than what the Bell System was offering for voice service. > Service was LOUSY, due to their harebrained switched and local routing > setup. Every week it seemed, McGowan was suing us for something. 9 > out of 10 MCI suits against AT&T were dismissed. > > MCI always was, until the end, a cheesy, flim-flamish fraud. MCI started, as I recall, with a single microwave link, connecting St. Louis to Chicago. The idea was for customers to bypass AT&T Long Lines and make a "local call," and Bell went ballistic over that. MCI won a court battle in which Bell was ordered to give them access to their local lines, essentially making MCI the first alternate long distance company. It was the beginning of the end of the Bell System. I worked for a company that used them in the late 70s, and I could always tell when I was on an MCI circuit because there was a faint hiss in the background, coupled with overall lower volume and a constricted frequency response. Bell always had the better connection quality--until U.S. Sprint came along and changed the entire equation by using fiber optics on their entire network. Article: 333657 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jeremy" References: <10936-445508F1-48@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> <8k6b52tvog1eh108iree3opsirja0ehttj@4ax.com> <2hcc52lpiiucuapuc8d4scrmi3r7rnoeb1@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:47:36 GMT "DeserTBoB" wrote in message news:2hcc52lpiiucuapuc8d4scrmi3r7rnoeb1@4ax.com... > On Mon, 01 May 2006 15:44:46 GMT, "Jeremy" wrote: > > >>AT&T did not offer Telegraph Service. There was a consent decree from >>decades back that gave AT&T the right to carry voice and Western Union to >>operate the telegraph network. > > The HELL they didn't. The last telegraph board I worked at for AT&T > was in 1992. You have bad information. AT&T inherited all those > telegraph hubs via "normalization" of toll facilities and test boards > by gobbling up all the toll functions of the associated companies > (knowns as the LECs after Divestiture) during the "normalization" > period of 1976-1984. The goal there was to get as much of the toll > part of the business into AT&T Long Lines control before the > "Divestiture" decree came down from Judge Green. The WUT consent > decree you're talking about WAY predated that, and had to do with > "telegram" service, not "telegraph" service, per se. > > AT&T's telegraph service to customer prem-to-customer prem. Prior to > abandoning telegraph service, there was a telegraph hub and test board > in every major AT&T toll center in the US. Now this is not "telegram" > service, which is what I think you're confused about. AT&T was > prohibited from offering "telegram" service until Divestiture was > completed in 1984. After that, they were freed from that (and many > other restrictions) and that's how they eventually wound up with WUT's > Easylink service, which they received from the remnants of WUT circa > 1990. I have an AT&T Easylink clock sitting right here on my desk, a > gift from a district manager for me establishing international telex > service via AT&T Easylink for all of AT&T's C-band international earth > stations. By the time AT&T acquired Easylink, there WAS no > "telegram" service to speak of, and "telegrams" were simply > "mailgrams." However, telex service was still a big part of their > business. AT&T's bungling and mismanagement killed off their Easylink > subsidiary but a few years after they acquired it from WUT. > > Back when I hired in with Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, people > distined for work in the toll sector of the business were generally > sent to telegraph first to "learn the ropes" of toll service. From > there, they'd go to perhaps private line testboard, or perhaps to > facilities jobs, like carrier, cable and radio. When AT&T > discontinued telegraph service around 1993, it was still tarriffed at > $19/mo. They claimed they were losing money on every telegarph leg > operating, but what they neglected to say was that all the toll > equipment in the hubs and board had existed since the '30s, some of > it, the latest installations being in the very early '60s. The cost > they were bitching about was the monthly lease fee for the one wire > subscriber leg, paid either to the LEC or independent company, like > GTE, United or Continental. Also, in AT&T's beancounters' minds, all > that terminal equipment at the toll offices had been fully amortized > for at least 20 years, and wasn't provding a nice depreciation cushion > on the bottom line. So, out it went, to the hew and cry of many > subscribers who liked the 100 baud/75 mA cheapie service. Are you referring to what was once called "ATTMAIL?" When I worked for the federal government in 1968-69, we had TWX service (at least they called it that--I don't know whether WU or Bell was providing the service). What do you mean by "telegraph service?" Was it able to connect to the Telex network? If I subscribed to that service, could I communicate with customers of RCA, ITT and WU, or would I have been restricted to just AT&T subscribers? I know that AT&T and Sprint has equivalents of MCI Mail at one time, but what sort of "telegraph" service were they offering prior to 1990? Article: 333658 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Still need help with schematic for this Brunswick radio Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 05:14:05 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1146454213.966366.36980@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146479593.051043.148710@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146489182.513682.188750@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> "Terry S" wrote in message news:1146489182.513682.188750@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > Better idea. Brenda, you send me the radio. I'll draw up a schematic > and send it to you. I keep the radio. > > Terry. Good one Terry.. :) In all seriousness, though... I could draw up a schematic myself. The problem is the radio has been hacked/cannibalized, and I need the original schematic to rebuild the circuit properly. Article: 333659 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <124tfrrpn5uss08@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: ATTENTION OHIO CONSOLE RESCUE PERSONNEL Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 17:54:16 -0500 Message-ID: <4456840c$0$26450$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Tom Adkins" wrote in message news:XIOdnQr_BMTfDcvZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > SOLD! To the bald guy in the glasses for $20.50!! Now I know what my > summer project > will be. :) Wow, you sure got a good deal on that one. Have fun with it. Ought to be a hell of a radio when it's done. Adding to the fun: 1936 RCAs have wiring whose insulation breaks down. Happy rewiring...... :-) paul *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** Article: 333660 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: Question for a German Radio Expert? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:22:42 +0200 Message-ID: References: John Byrns wrote: > > An auction for a Grundig 1041W Radio closed on eBay yesterday. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6623418926 > > This is an AM/FM radio with the following tube lineup: > > EC92 > EF89 > EF89 > EABC80 > EL41 > EM85 > > The functions of the tubes in the FM mode are presumably the obvious ones, > with the EC92 serving as an autodyne converter, the two EF89s serving as > IF amplifiers, the EABC80 serving as the FM detector and first audio > stage, the EL41 serving as the audio power stage, and the EM85 serving as > a tuning indicator. I hate to contemplate the local oscillator radiation > from the autodyne converter without an RF stage, it probably doesn't meet > the FCC radiation regulations. Is my assumption about the operation of > this set in the FM mode correct? > > My question is, how are these tubes used in the AM mode? Other similar > German radios use an ECC85 as the FM front end tube, with the additional > triode serving as an RF amplifier stage, and use an ECH81 triode heptode > tube instead of the first EF89, with the heptode section serving as the > first IF amplifier in the FM mode with the triode section left unused, > while in the AM mode the triode section serves as the AM local oscillator > and the heptode section serves as the mixer, with the ECC85 left unused. > > In the Grundig 1041W does the EC92 also serve as a self oscillating > converter in the AM mode? If the EC92 is used as the converter in the AM > mode, are both EF89s used in a two stage AM IF amplifier, or is one EF89 > left unused in the AM mode? Or is the EC92 left unused in the AM mode, > with the first EF89 used as a self oscillating converter? > > Any insight as to how this radio operates in the AM mode would be greatly > appreciated. > http://www.radiomuseum.org has seven documents about this radio, but I assume you have at least the circit diagram ;-) Kind Regards, Georg Article: 333661 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 00:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> "frenchy" writes: >I walked by an antique store and they had a really cute little >cabinet-type acoustic phonograph, the ones with legs and a lid, but >this one was circular, not the typical square or rectangular. Not sure >if was a Victrola or not. Had little flower design painted around the >circumference. Anybody know what brand this might be? They were >closed today so could only see thru the window partially and couldn't >see what reproducer was on it, and I can't get back in there till >Friday. If it might be a Victrola I could take off lunch before that >and check it out. Thanks! One of these, by any chance? http://tinyurl.com/khdl3 Note that this has come up several times without selling at that price. Methinks that's way high. Bruce? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333662 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:32:17 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146526684.717822.6380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> frenchy wrote: > It looked too old and fancy to me to be what I think of by the term > 'crapophone' but as long as I know it's not a Victrola, I can wait a > week to check it out, thanks. I guess it could be one that was made in > England possibly, I have one of those, or another brand. Is there a > general date range that includes the typical definition of crapophone? > Again this is a floor model with the long legs, not a tabletop job... Even the Indian and the Chinese people are using shotguns to imitate wood worm holes ;-) Believe what Bruce told you ... there are the adventuresome models on ebay. Place a foto on a.b.p.r, but I don't think that somebody paitend flowers on a real Ultraphon. Kind Regards, Georg Article: 333663 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: temp codes Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 00:35:54 GMT Today, while placing an order with Mouser, I tried to get a replacement cap for that 59 T-Bird radio. It is a 22pF, 10% N150. The tech at Mouser had no problem locating several 5% caps, but had no idea what N150 means. The new caps have ratings of COG, X7R among others, and a few are marked NPO, but had no idea what I was talking about with n150. After considerable time, he finally determined that "NPO is better than N150." So I suppose I'll settle for an NPO. It is, after all, an AM radio, and the problem now is that the sensitivity above 1500 drops way off -- and this cap is out of spec. So I figure the half a pF between what an N150 and an NPO might measure at a given temperature would still have to be a major improvement over the original. Still, does anybody have some insight as to the newer terms, such as X7R? Is there a letter acronym out there that might be similar to N150? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 333664 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:38:37 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Tim Mullen wrote: > One of these, by any chance? > > http://tinyurl.com/khdl3 > > Note that this has come up several times without selling at that > price. Methinks that's way high. Bruce? TYRELL is well known here, Don't know about a company EDWARDIAN, but for this price the seller should have been able to clean the flour ;-) (Sorry Bruce, could not resist) Georg Article: 333665 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 18:52:29 -0600 Message-ID: <18486-4456AD4D-161@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: Those have to be ``round longer`` to become antiques ... Article: 333666 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <1146395765.140952.86280@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <445535bc$0$76686$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> <1146451204.617385.225890@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: AWA B-67 Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:06:00 -0400 Message-ID: <4456b077$0$6154$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> Okay, the one I have uses the odd battery. Must've been a changeover at some point. "Dave" wrote in message news:1146451204.617385.225890@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > It uses a regular 9 Volt battery > Article: 333667 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: - exray - Subject: Re: temp codes Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:12:13 -0400 Message-ID: <125dcfjgg2ncr1b@corp.supernews.com> References: Gary Tayman wrote: > > Still, does anybody have some insight as to the newer terms, such as X7R? > Is there a letter acronym out there that might be similar to N150? > > For example, these are the most common 'cheap'ceramic discs: (from the Mouser catalog) X7R is +/- 15% from -55C to +125C C0G is +/- 30ppm per degree C over the same range Z5U is -56%, + 22% from +10 to +85C Note that these are all +/- TOLERANCES and not predictable temperature compensations like an N150. -Bill Article: 333668 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 01:13:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> writes: >Tim Mullen wrote: >> One of these, by any chance? >> >> http://tinyurl.com/khdl3 >> >> Note that this has come up several times without selling at that >> price. Methinks that's way high. Bruce? >TYRELL is well known here, >Don't know about a company EDWARDIAN, Not a company; a British Monarch, and hence a loose stylistic period. (I wonder what "Ethelred the Unready" style looks like?) >but for this price the seller should have been able to clean the flour >;-) What?!! And ruin that Edwardian "patina"? :) >(Sorry Bruce, could not resist) >Georg May we call you Bruce? (With apologies to Monty Python) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333669 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 21:22:08 -0400 Message-ID: <125dd2c95ijff01@corp.supernews.com> References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> However I have seen hundreds of Crapophones, but never a floor model. I couldn't imagine anyone bothering- most real floor models just aren't worth that much. John H. Article: 333670 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 03:29:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Tim Mullen wrote: > > >Tim Mullen wrote: > > >> One of these, by any chance? > >> > >> http://tinyurl.com/khdl3 > >> > >> Note that this has come up several times without selling at that > >> price. Methinks that's way high. Bruce? > > >TYRELL is well known here, > >Don't know about a company EDWARDIAN, > > Not a company; a British Monarch, and hence a loose stylistic > period. (I wonder what "Ethelred the Unready" style looks like?) The 7th wife of Henry the 8th? > >but for this price the seller should have been able to clean the flour > >;-) > > What?!! And ruin that Edwardian "patina"? :) > > >(Sorry Bruce, could not resist) > > >Georg > > May we call you Bruce? Nope. Call me Brute Force, if you want ;-) > (With apologies to Monty Python) Accepted ;-) Georg Article: 333671 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 01:42:56 GMT In article <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net says... > > >"Rule of thumb" >Michael A. Terrell For me a definite "Non-Engineer" its a rule of John... developed after restoring something in excess of 1,000 radios. Since I began adding methods to drop the incoming line voltage on probably 75 percent of the radios that go out the door.. and no longer letting 6x5 rectifier tubes out the door we haven't lost a power transformer or had any other major warranty problems... many of the radios we rebuild are being played 50 to 60 hours per week. Prior to these changes I had some problems and had to replace a few transformers. This 12s265 Zenith setting on my bench is running too hot to suit me. Firm Grab on the transformer is slightly uncomfortable after 2 hours of operation. Sorry not sure how hot that is.. The only radio chassis I have written down the differences in voltage and current were on a 9s262 chassis.. Line Voltage was nutso this day.... and yes I called and they changed it a bit... Line voltage was 130 volts radio drew 0.76 amps = 99 watts 40 ohm resistor and line to radio was then 108.7 volts at 0.56 Amps = 61 Watts so a 17% drop in linevoltage = 24% drop in current = 33% drop in watts Perhaps from the above measured information you engineer types can tell us all the engineering reasons for the decreases?... If your filaments are high and your B+ and supply is high... your tubes are going to do a bit of super operating.. and current will be higher than expected for the increase?... Or some of those watts and current were simply going up in heat from the overloaded transformer?.. I do know that the transformer temp dropped a whole lot on that one. My "Normal" is to install a 21 Ohm resistor in this 9 tube chassis which gives a drop of about 9% line voltage which is enough for your normal 125 line. John k9uwa Article: 333672 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: GE A-53 Tombstone Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 19:33:11 -0600 Message-ID: <18487-4456B6D7-45@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <1146512035.686717.28150@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> On warped thin plastic dials i have had good luck as follows . Find a nice clean counter top . Get out the cloths iron set it on low . Get out a thick heavy book . Put the dials printed side down on the counter , place one clean sheet of paper over it . Place the hot iron on that moving it around for a very short time then remove the iron and place the book on top of the warm dial & paper for a minute while it cools . Check it and repeat as much as you dare . Article: 333673 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: A round Victrola? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146526684.717822.6380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 01:49:09 GMT In article , 520066970381-0001@T-Online.de says... > > How about that table setting affair that they call a Whorehouse Lampshade with the red light in it and the nice fringe hanging down ... not sure who made it.. found one for one of my local Phonograph buddies... he was elated... think we paid $90 for it at a local auction a few years ago.. John k9uwa Article: 333674 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ATTENTION OHIO CONSOLE RESCUE PERSONNEL From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <124tfrrpn5uss08@corp.supernews.com> <4456840c$0$26450$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 01:54:21 GMT In article , newton5@remove.comcast.net says... > > > You say that like it's a bad thing ;) That just means more satisfaction >when it's >done. (After the echoes of the swearing die down). Serious Super Deal there Tom .. wave that one under the nose of Dan Gutowski Marks Oppats RCA buddy!.. John k9uwa Article: 333675 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:12:08 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In "Georg Richter" <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> writes: >Tim Mullen wrote: >>(I wonder what "Ethelred the Unready" style looks like?) >The 7th wife of Henry the 8th? C|N>K! -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333676 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 02:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146526684.717822.6380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) writes: >How about that table setting affair that they call a Whorehouse >Lampshade with the red light in it and the nice fringe hanging down >... not sure who made it.. Oddly enough, one of those also just ended unloved on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624152074 A bit frou-frou for my tastes, but if I look at it from the right angle I can think of the lid looking kinda casket-like. Hmmm... Some red light bulbs, a house of ill will tie-in and you've got some possibilities. > found one for one of my local Phonograph >buddies... he was elated... think we paid $90 for it at a local auction >a few years ago.. Good deal, from what I've seen. Obviously no one thought the above example was worth the starting price, but I know these don't go too cheap. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333677 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Speaking of shipping Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 19:48:14 -0700 Message-ID: References: <8l94g.11338$ZQ3.10485@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Lou deGonzague wrote: > I just sent a box via USPS that was 17x17x18 and they added an extra $5 > for the size. It didn't weigh much and the postal clerk who I know > pretty good said it was something they just started to enforce. UPS calls this "dimensional weight". It is done so that they can still ding you if you have a large lightweight item that takes up a lot of space in the truck. It looks like USPS is getting a bit more stringent on the rules lately. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 333678 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: an amusing, mostly OT e-bay anectdote, not old radio related Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:14:47 -0700 Message-ID: <9hjd52he7obvirha3s863pn651ur65gghj@4ax.com> there's been some discussion of weird e-bay gonings on - follow this link to one of my auctions and read the note at the end - it should at least amuse you folks - this was almost a fun game but I guess someone has to remember when it's time to get a life here's the link http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4459578687 Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** Article: 333679 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:27:37 -0500 The text of my message to spoof@paypal.com; plus text of an email I received today...very strange, but has to be a scam. jak Below is the text, including headers, of an email I received. The item listed does not exist in eBay. The amount comes up as $24.08 when the email is read, but reads $2424.08 when viewed as text. I don't understand the mechanism of this probable scam, but I have no connection with either the sender, or with an auction for an antique radio. I did not click the URL referenced in the email. 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Protect = yourself against fraudulent websites by opening a new web browser (e.g. = Internet Explorer or Netscape) and typing in the PayPal URL every time you = log in to your account. ---------------------------------------------------------------- PayPal Email ID PP301 Article: 333680 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 20:46:59 -0700 Message-ID: References: <9732-44563638-29@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> <6amc529b1odch3efu68gbomg1meqnemufq@4ax.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 19:44:06 GMT, "Jeremy" wrote: >MCI started, as I recall, with a single microwave link, connecting St. Louis >to Chicago. The idea was for customers to bypass AT&T Long Lines and make a >"local call," and Bell went ballistic over that. Probalby because it was illegal. > >MCI won a court battle in which Bell was ordered to give them access to >their local lines, essentially making MCI the first alternate long distance >company. It was the beginning of the end of the Bell System. No, they were NOT given access to local lines. They were given access to trunk lines. >I worked for a company that used them in the late 70s, and I could always >tell when I was on an MCI circuit because there was a faint hiss in the >background, coupled with overall lower volume and a constricted frequency >response. Bell always had the better connection quality--until U.S. Sprint >came along and changed the entire equation by using fiber optics on their >entire network. AT&T's first long haul fiber optics route, the replacement of the 1941 Los Angeles-El Pase "A" coaxial cable went into service in 1984, with Western Electric FT Series "G" terminal equipment and lasers. The Spring "pin drop" campaign was basically 99% hype. MCI's trunk quality was crap because they used cheap and maladjusted trunk terminating equipment. Echo return loss on MCI trunks was horrid, and they'd always try to blame it on AT&T's carrier channels. As I said, MCI was a fraud from the very beginning. NOT that AT&T handled the challenge from that fraudster McGowen very well. In the end, both went down the tubes, AT&T now owned by its own best managed of the old Bell Operating Companies, Southwestern Bell Telephone, and MCI absorbed by the combination of the Bell Atlantic companies and GT&E. Article: 333681 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Telegraph Paper Value Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:05:56 -0700 Message-ID: <4ild52p0vjrhvpequ39s3i37l2akcabdpd@4ax.com> References: <10936-445508F1-48@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> <8k6b52tvog1eh108iree3opsirja0ehttj@4ax.com> <2hcc52lpiiucuapuc8d4scrmi3r7rnoeb1@4ax.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 19:47:36 GMT, "Jeremy" wrote: >Are you referring to what was once called "ATTMAIL?" No. ATTMail was AT&T cheesy email service. It was a non-starter. However, due to stupid decisions made by then-CEO Bob Allen, the ATTMail people took over what was left of Easylink, while Easylink had a far larger customer base brought over from WUT. All Allen succeeded in doing was scaring off all the former WUT customers who wanted nothing to do with ATTMail. >When I worked for the >federal government in 1968-69, we had TWX service (at least they called it >that--I don't know whether WU or Bell was providing the service). TWX was provided by all Bell Operating Companies using the 910 area code. >What do you mean by "telegraph service?" Was it able to connect to the >Telex network? If I subscribed to that service, could I communicate with >customers of RCA, ITT and WU, or would I have been restricted to just AT&T >subscribers? "Telex" has nothing to do with real telegraph service. "Telex" was the forerunner of email, used a voice grade line and modem to access its service hubs (basically servers) and could interchange traffic with any other telex service provider. Real telegraph service was one wire, 75 mA current loop service driving TTY machines...mostly Teletype Model 43s toward the end, but anything from a Model 19 to 35 teletype machine all through the years. It used no voice channel, used a single wire and ground for the current loop. > >I know that AT&T and Sprint has equivalents of MCI Mail at one time, but >what sort of "telegraph" service were they offering prior to 1990? AT&T had telegraph service from its earliest days until around 1992. All banks and stock markets had telegraph networks for stock tickers, financial data and so on. It its earliest days, real Morse traffic would run on AT&T telegraph lines until the Teletype Division of AT&T started offering teletype machines aroun WW I. Morse traffic went away around about that time by and large, replaced by Baudot (later ASCII) teletype, but when I came in the '70s, most telegraph test board positions still had keys and sounders, and if you knew Morse, you could communicate with old-time cablemen out on the line using Morse instead of one-wire voice, which seldom worked very well. The last cable splicer I worked Morse with was around 1982, and when he retired, that was the last. All the railroads were still using TTY at this time, and many old RR telegraphers went to work at Bell companies on telegraph boards after they were furloughed by the RRs. Dow Jones was probably the biggest telegraph customer of AT&T's up through the 1980s. Every exchange and many banks had a specialized "ticker machine" at their banks that would crank out quotes using 100 baud ASCII code. Other big telegraph customers were mostly financial and banking institutions. Dun & Bradstreet and Bunker-Ramo were big customer in those days, as well. It figured...when data didn't have to move fast (the fastest voice grade data transmission via modem on a conditioned voice circuit in those days was 9600 kb/s) and 50 or 100 baud would do the job, telegraph was by far more economical than voice circuit based TWX or dial-up TTY. Since telegraph only used one wire and was unsuitable for any sort of tariffed voice service, it had to be cheap, and those big banks and the NYSE just loved it. 24 hour 100 baud data for $12/mo? Sure! Most people, even back then, were paying more for their monthly residential "POTS" service, and a private line unconditioned full period voice circuit would be in the hundreds of dollars a month. Working on a distribution frame that carried telegraph service was never a pleasant task. Open circuit, a telegraph circuit's local line to the subscriber would be at a 315 VDC potential, enough to really jolt a frameman reaching across that particular frame block to solder down a pair somewhere else. Due to inherent current limiting, although the voltage would give you a nasty jolt, it was never fatal...unless you fell off a rolling ladder as a result! The jaggedness of all those soldered lugs on the typical old frame block found in many old toll offices in those days would guarantee some cuts on the hands, if one weren't wearing his frame gloves, as required by Bell safety rules. Article: 333682 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 21:07:25 -0700 Message-ID: <6mmd52tthjqnm5qo86roj2euque9g6hva9@4ax.com> References: On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:19:37 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) wrote: >Well you didn`t stop when i made the offer, you waited till a few days >later.So you will have to wait for your money for a few days ( something >like 10,950 days ) .Rick Welshing already? Ask Charlie Nudo what I can do to someone who does something like that to me. 87 days. $25. Personal check with address and phone # is OK. Article: 333683 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4456E45C.A4A4C272@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Still Need Heath AJ-41 Stereo Tuner Service Info Please References: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 04:49:12 GMT enigma_y_2000@yahoo.com wrote: > > Hi, > > Can anyone help me with a copy of the schematic and alignment > instructions for the old Heathkit AJ-41 AM-FM tuner. I want > to get it back to original working specs. > > I would be happy to pay for copying costs etc. > > Thanks in advance. > > Email me direct please, > > enigma_y_2000@yahoo.com Sams 939, not in my collection at this time. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 333684 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:42:57 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <1146397864.304373.289380@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <1146507882.668929.249700@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 11:24:42 -0700, Doug wrote: > For a mains power transformer, core saturation is dependent only on the > applied primary voltage and frequency. As the load on the > transformer's secondary is increased, there will be in fact a slight > decrease in the core flux due to the voltage drop which occurs across > the DC resistance of the primary winding. > > If the secondary is short-circuited, the applied primary voltage will > be dropped across three components as below: > > Ein = Isc (Rdc pri + Rdc sec N^2 + j 2pf Ll) > > where Rdc is the primary resistance, Rdc is the secondary resistance, N > is the turns ratio (primary/secondary) and Ll is the leakage inductance > measured from the primary side. Isc is the short-circuit current > flowing in the primary in amps. > > The voltage which generates the flux in the transformer is now reduced > to : V flux sc = Ein - Isc (Rdc pri). Its value under normal load > conditions would have been : V flux = Ein - Ipri (Rdc pri) , much more > nearly equal to Ein. > > So with this little bit of arm-waving we see that the flux in the core > is greatly reduced during short circuit conditions. There is obviously > no tendency towards saturation. It is in fact the opposite situation > > If some one insists on looking at this entirely from a current > standpoint that can be done too. In a transformer in which no energy > storage takes place*, the primary and secondary ampere turns due to the > load components of current must and will always balance. in other > words: > > N pri x I pri = Nsec x > I sec. > > or N pri x I pri - Nsec x I > sec = 0 > > This balance is what causes the primary current to increase when the > secondary current is increased, and as long as this balance is > maintained there can be no change in the core flux, since the core flux > is related to the sum of the total ampere turns by the reluctance of > the magnetic circuit which has not changed. Since this balance occurs, > there is no saturation as the load on the transformer is increased. > > If one goes to the trouble of deliberately designing a transformer with > very high leakage inductance (poor coupling)then we don't follow the > above current relationship and all bets are off. To design such a > transformer however requires a specific peculiar magnetic structure > certainly not used in radio receiver transformers. > > * An example of a transformer in which energy storage takes place is > the switched-mode flyback topology. In this case, primary and > secondary load component ampere turns add to a non-zero value and an > increase in secondary current will eventually cause core saturation. > > Best regards : Doug Bannard, P.Eng. (30 year veteran of transformer > design) A word of explanation: leakage inductance is the inductance of the primary (in this case) with the secondary shorted. It is caused by magnetic flux generated by the primary that doesn't link the secondary. Normally, transformers are designed to minimize leakage inductance since it acts like an inductor in series with the transformer and causes the secondary voltage to drop under load (in addition to the drop caused by the wire resistance). Reducing it to extremely low values is expensive, requiring measures like bifilar winding (which also raises safety concerns). As a result, the final design of the transformer is, as always, a compromise. One designer will optimize one aspect and another will optimize another. What this means is that the short circuit current in the primary will vary somewhat from one make to another. Hence it is possible to design a transformer so that a primary fuse alone is adequate to protect it and it is also possible to design one so that a single fuse won't protect it. Since cost and size are always major factors, the range of variation isn't as large as it could be. Doug mentioned transformers intentionally designed to have high leakage inductance. This is usually done by winding the primary and secondary as physically separate coils (not one on top of the other). There is a space between them with laminations SEPARATING the coils (usually with an air gap to control the coupling). This forces some of the magnetic field to circulate in the primary without coupling to the secondary. This gives the transformer an output voltage that drops sharply with load. In fact, transformers like this can be designed to be short circuit proof. A transformer like this wouldn't be found in a radio. Common examples are neon sign transformers and fluorescent lamp ballasts. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333685 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: Philco PT-91 Electroltic Cap replacement Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:57:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146501647.412687.183040@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 09:40:47 -0700, jeeper28 wrote: > Hey,First post to group,new to radio's,so be gentle!I have a 1940 > Philco bakelite Am,got the cap kit from just radios,my question is that > he sent 2 replacements,the schematic shows 2,yet I have 3 leads going > to the top of the shared Electrolic cap.I understand the shared > negative on bottom,but I have 1 red,1 orange,and 1blue lead all going > in the top.Thanks for any help ya'll may share.Gary You didn't say what model you had so I can only make a general comment. Watch out that it doesn't have a common POSITIVE rather than negative. Some radios had those. A previous repairer may have wired it wrong. Check the schematic. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333686 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Re: temp codes Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 23:12:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <125dcfjgg2ncr1b@corp.supernews.com> On Mon, 01 May 2006 21:12:13 -0400, - exray - wrote: > Gary Tayman wrote: > > >> >> Still, does anybody have some insight as to the newer terms, such as X7R? >> Is there a letter acronym out there that might be similar to N150? >> >> > For example, these are the most common 'cheap'ceramic discs: > (from the Mouser catalog) > X7R is +/- 15% from -55C to +125C > C0G is +/- 30ppm per degree C over the same range > Z5U is -56%, + 22% from +10 to +85C > > Note that these are all +/- TOLERANCES and not predictable temperature > compensations like an N150. > > -Bill COG is a variation of NPO. NPO is +/- 60 PPM / deg C. Many manufacturers are dropping NPO in favor of COG. NPO and COG are also considered temperature compensating capacitors; they are used when you don't want any capacitance change. Characteristics with a P in front have a positive temperature coefficient; the capacitance goes up as the temperature increases. Watch out for Z5U and similar types. As you can see, they aren't at all stable with temperature. They also change value significantly with voltage and frequency. Some of them are also piezoelectric so they can generate voltages in response to vibrations in their environment. I once saw one that was producing low frequency signals (<1 Hz) in response to the air conditioner! That was fun to track down. People use them because they are small and cheap. They work fine for bypass capacitors but be cautious of anything else. -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 333687 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Omer Suleimanagich" References: Subject: Re: Question for a German Radio Expert? Message-ID: <5JC5g.2617$Vn.169@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 06:10:09 GMT The tube layout is wrong! The radio has one ECH81 and one EF93. There are no EF89's in this radio. Omer P.S. It's worth joining and contributing to RMorg "John Byrns" wrote in message news:jbyrns-0105062315100001@216-80-74-126.d.enteract.com... > In article , "Georg Richter" > <520066970381-0001@T-Online.de> wrote: > >> John Byrns wrote: >> > > [Snip] > >> > In the Grundig 1041W does the EC92 also serve as a self oscillating >> > converter in the AM mode? If the EC92 is used as the converter in >> the AM >> > mode, are both EF89s used in a two stage AM IF amplifier, or is one >> EF89 >> > left unused in the AM mode? Or is the EC92 left unused in the AM >> mode, >> > with the first EF89 used as a self oscillating converter? >> > >> > Any insight as to how this radio operates in the AM mode would be >> greatly >> > appreciated. >> > >> >> http://www.radiomuseum.org has seven documents about this radio, >> but I assume you have at least the circit diagram ;-) > > Hi Georg, > > Thanks for the input about the radiomuseum, but I find that site to be > generally useless. > > If I had the schematic for the 1041W I wouldn't have even been asking this > question in the first place. However I redoubled my effort at searching > cyberspace and was able to finally locate the schematic. I see that the > FM band works just as I had speculated, but the AM bands work differently > than either of my speculations, I should have realized the third obvious > possibility. On the AM bands the EC92 is used as the local oscillator, > and the first EF89 is used as the mixer with the local oscillator signal > injected into the cathode circuit. > > > Regards, > > John Byrns > > > Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 333688 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4456F9E4.49537D37@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 06:21:08 GMT "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote: > > In article <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net>, mike.terrell@earthlink.net > says... > > > > > >"Rule of thumb" > >Michael A. Terrell > > For me a definite "Non-Engineer" its a rule of John... developed after > restoring something in excess of 1,000 radios. Since I began adding > methods to drop the incoming line voltage on probably 75 percent of the > radios that go out the door.. and no longer letting 6x5 rectifier tubes > out the door we haven't lost a power transformer or had any other major > warranty problems... many of the radios we rebuild are being played > 50 to 60 hours per week. Prior to these changes I had some problems > and had to replace a few transformers. This 12s265 Zenith setting on my > bench is running too hot to suit me. Firm Grab on the transformer is slightly > uncomfortable after 2 hours of operation. Sorry not sure how hot that is.. > > The only radio chassis I have written down the differences in voltage and > current were on a 9s262 chassis.. > > Line Voltage was nutso this day.... and yes I called and they changed it > a bit... > Line voltage was 130 volts radio drew 0.76 amps = 99 watts > > 40 ohm resistor and line to radio was then 108.7 volts at 0.56 Amps = 61 Watts > > so a 17% drop in linevoltage = 24% drop in current = 33% drop in watts > > Perhaps from the above measured information you engineer types can tell > us all the engineering reasons for the decreases?... > If your filaments are high and your B+ and supply is high... your tubes > are going to do a bit of super operating.. and current will be higher > than expected for the increase?... Or some of those watts and current > were simply going up in heat from the overloaded transformer?.. I do > know that the transformer temp dropped a whole lot on that one. > My "Normal" is to install a 21 Ohm resistor in this 9 tube chassis which gives > a drop of about 9% line voltage which is enough for your normal 125 line. > > John k9uwa John, I'm on your side! A 9% drop in line voltage will drop the power consumption to 84.16%, all other things being equal. They aren't, but they are close enough to do quick calculations. Using a 12 VAC filament transformer in buck configuration will give the same voltage to the radio with less wasted heat, and better AC line regulation which will reduce the distortion a little at higher volume where the B+ is loaded a bit more. It is also better for AC motors on phonographs and combos. The equipment we built for the military and NASA had to be tested at 90 VAC, 115 VAC and 130 VAC to guarantee that it would work over a wide range of line voltages. This raised the transformer's cost about 30% more than if we could have had it built for a fixed 115 VAC. This was a little wider than the advertised specification, to allow for aging of the power supply components. At least one unit was powered up 24/7 for over 30 years with no problems, while the competitors equipment needed annual or biannual maintenance. A simple test set can be built to look at a transformer in use to see where it starts to saturate. All you need is a line frequency current transformer with the proper load, a variac, and a scope. The current to the radio goes from the output of the variac, through the CT, and to the radio or other item you're testing. You look at the waveform on the scope and slowly turn up the voltage as you watch for the waveform to change as it starts to saturate. The CT can be put into a box with a line cord and outlet, and a pair of binding posts or BNC connector to connect the scope so that you don't tie up a variac for this one test. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 333689 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 08:55:13 -0400 "jakdedert" wrote in message > The text of my message to spoof@paypal.com; plus text of an email I > received today...very strange, but has to be a scam. > > jak The very last line is the give away: "PayPal Email ID PP301" No such thing in real Paypal emails, all scams have it. In your original email, you may read paypal.com but it will redirect you to a fake website and collect your personal info. Usual scam... Syl Article: 333690 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <3jt5g.49$n67.45@fe06.lga> Subject: Re: FS Books Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:08:00 -0400 "Brian Hill" wrote in message news:3jt5g.49$n67.45@fe06.lga... > > "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message > news:1146511156.109114.83020@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> you realize that the Alan Douglas books (volume 3 in particular..i >> think) are bringing more than a philco 38-116 on ebay don't you? >> > > Yea but I thought it was Vol 2. If they don't sell soon? that's where > there going. All I'm getting around here is tire kickers. : ) > > BH Brian, I know Bill Jeffrey, no tire kicker I can assure you. Double check his email, looks like he added an anti-spam to his email. As for me, I paid more than that for a complete soft cover set and am very happy with my purchase. Vol 2 only sold twice for an incredible amount. I let a Vol 2 go for 37$ 2 weeks ago on eBay... Syl Article: 333691 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 09:32:48 -0400 Message-ID: <44575f77$0$3682$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Syl" wrote in message news:vGI5g.60337$hR6.370756@weber.videotron.net... > "jakdedert" wrote in message > >> The text of my message to spoof@paypal.com; plus text of an email I >> received today...very strange, but has to be a scam. >> >> jak > > The very last line is the give away: "PayPal Email ID PP301" > > No such thing in real Paypal emails, all scams have it. In your original > email, you may read > paypal.com but it will redirect you to a fake website and collect your > personal > info. Usual scam... > > Syl > Man, this is all old news. I can't believe those who are just learning of it - haven't read this before - "especially" when I've seen their names online for a while. It is best to go directly to the Pay Pal site OR E-Bay site to read "any" messages. Messges sent by them or any members via them - can be found there - in a secure manner. IF you get them in your e-mail - they "can" be of suspicious nature. You have to ask yourself - am I doing anything with E-Bay or Pay Pal for them to be writing me? Most times - the answer is NO.. The other thing to remember is - they do NOT write you to ask for your personal information OR to fill out a form to change ID. ONLY when you log into their site, if any information/action is needed, will you see a reminder. The best thing to do - is to filter out E-Bay and Pay Pal e-mails, so you don't receive them in your e-mail. IF you do enough visiting to their sites, you'll know if you have any messages which need your attention. Examples of spoof e-mail from Pay Pal - is to give info to change your account as it has been hacked. OR to update your information. As to E-Bay - requests to update your info, your account has been hacked - and a real classic - a person is interested in an item you are auctioning off - giving a number and all - making it look like a legitimate e-bay question. DUH - "are" you auctioning of "that" item? 99.9 times out of 100 - NO. Surely you should be able to catch on to THAT. It should be a dead give away. But............... some just never catch on. clfe Article: 333692 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146561873.181421.287050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146567498.254762.184860@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Model 70 versus model 90 Message-ID: <2oK5g.9617$Bh.3643@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:53:50 GMT "Dave" wrote in message news:1146567498.254762.184860@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > The only difference between the two models is the number of tubes, the > Model 90 has 9, the model 70 has 7 tubes. So the two models are almost > the same, the chassis are the same size, the cabinet is the same style, > basically the same radio, albeit the number of tubes, and the > performance, which differs with the number of tubes, the more tubes, as > you most likely know produces higher quality. As for your question > about the knobs, they are exactly the same spacing apart as the cabinet > is the same. > There you go Dave, doing exactly what I warned you of when you first came here. If you don't know the right answer, keep your hands off the "send" button. Giving wrong answers can be both expensive and dangerous. You use your "Philco" email address to make it look to others as though you know something about Philcos, when you really don't. Now you give terribly wrong answers to people, talking about things you have absolutely zero knowledge of. There is no way a 90 chassis will fit into a 70 cathedral cabinet, it is wider and deeper. There is no way you should have assumed you had the answer to the question, and blurted out an answer that you really didn't know anything about. We had a real idiot come to this group a few years back, and he began to offer lots of advice and parrot other people's responses, even though he also was just a "wanna-be" old radio guy. He knew nothing about old radios, other than someday he would like to own one. His answers impressed us greatly. No one here gave bad advice as frequently as he. He may initially have had good intentions (later turned into a true nut case), but certainly confused a lot of people with his constant self-centered off-topic babbling. He drove many good people away from this group, including many of the "true experts". One village idiot is enough, we don't want you to become another "Skippy". Please learn to respond only when you have something worthwhile to add. We're not here to be your penpals when you feel lonely, we are mostly here to help others and to learn a few things ourselves. jim menning Article: 333693 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Euro radio of some kind (not mine) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:58:13 -0400 Message-ID: <125ess557fcfs3c@corp.supernews.com> References: <5LmdnRzNneAjqMnZRVn-rQ@comcast.com> Yes, see my Forum posts from a week ago on the Online Auction forum on this set. BUT oddly enough all this seller's auctions got pulled yesterday for unknown reasons. John H. Article: 333694 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:02:58 GMT "Syl" wrote in message news:vGI5g.60337$hR6.370756@weber.videotron.net... > > > The very last line is the give away: "PayPal Email ID PP301" > > No such thing in real Paypal emails, all scams have it. In your original email, you > may read > paypal.com but it will redirect you to a fake website and collect your personal > info. Usual scam... > > Syl > Better check that again Syl... ALL my email confirmations from PayPal have that line in them, whether a text email, or in light gray on HTML emails. PayPal Email ID PP242 PayPal Email ID PP843 PayPal Email ID PP286 PayPal Email ID PP343 PayPal Email ID PP120 Check some of your own PayPal confirmation emails from service@paypal.com and you should see them also. jim menning Article: 333695 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 08:18:20 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Mon, 01 May 2006 20:19:37 GMT, yerke@adelphia.net (Rick Yerke) wrote: >Well you didn`t stop when i made the offer, you waited till a few days >later.So you will have to wait for your money for a few days ( something >like 10,950 days ) .Rick 4 days and counting. Are you planning to welsh already? Article: 333696 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1146561873.181421.287050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146567498.254762.184860@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> <2oK5g.9617$Bh.3643@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1146582234.456310.14160@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Model 70 versus model 90 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:34:02 GMT "RadioGary" wrote in message news:1146582234.456310.14160@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > That's right, listen to Daddy. > Some of us are here for the hobby and to benefit others. Others are here to serve only their own needs. We all know which categories each of us fit into. jim menning Article: 333697 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 10:50:38 -0500 CAINE wrote: > I pulled 2 of the caps from the preamp circuit, suspecting they were > bad, and replaced them- these were the original foil caps made in > Germany- a few days later I decided to bite the bullet and buy a > dedicated cap tester for $70, many times I've needed one in the past- > so I tested the German caps from the Fisher 500c- much to my amazement, > these 43 year old caps, were DEAD NUTS on for specs- they were actually > closer to spec than the ones I replaced them with > > Obviously Fisher didn't put junk in these units- compared to paper caps > in the cheap mono phonograph I also have apart- the paper caps were way > off to the point the unit had garbled, distorted sound. 2 of them > coupling caps were at least 4 to 10 times over what they should be in > capacitance. > > I also tested a few of the old caps I have laying around that were used > as "run caps" on AC motors in tape decks, the 2 I tested so far were > good ! > > He's not listening.... Replace ALL of the wax paper/foil caps. Shotgun it. Don't test--REPLACE! Article: 333698 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Ping Yerke Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:09:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146592833.409599.280600@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 2 May 2006 11:00:33 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >Rick is worth something. You are complete waste of air and water. Get a >life, elsewhere, please. GFY, Peter the Weak. Article: 333699 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:11:36 -0700 Message-ID: <258f52tc6919r5eipq7h0ej2ohqju4k12v@4ax.com> References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146586190.018395.88910@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 2 May 2006 09:09:50 -0700, "Peter Wieck" wrote: >Yeah, yeah.... > >I was trying to make it his idea.... especially as it relates to >electrolytics. I recently did over an AR integrated amp (70s vintage) >that played 'just fine' superficially. However, when I replaced 100% of >the electrolytics (with specific reference to the 1uF electrolytics on >the tone and phono-pre-amp boards) the change in tone and clarity was >remarkable. THEN, I tested the electrolytics on the cap-tester... Not >one of them did not leak. The only question was how badly. One was as >bad as 100K ohms. AR amps were garbage from day 1, loaded with marginal components with a so-so design. What you did was upgrade and already questionable piece of gear. Article: 333700 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:19:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> <1146588042.140889.50490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 2 May 2006 09:40:42 -0700, "Brian" wrote: >John, have you had any rectifiers short other than 6X4s or 6X5s? :::waving hand::: "5V4! 5V4!" Many a sad tale on some WECO design 6550 power amps using 5V4s for choppers. H-K shorts a specialty, P-P meltdowns not uncommon.. Better forward voltage drop and more amperage than the mediocre 5U4, however, with indirect heating to boot. MIL-spec variants seem bulletproof. Article: 333701 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Message-ID: <3uff52l0dn0ahufnrobcju4dge9bc22l3e@4ax.com> References: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:25:10 GMT On Tue, 02 May 2006 19:29:45 GMT, "Gary Tayman" wrote: >So -- since I don't read switzerese, can sosmebody explain that dual-horned >thing to me? > >I know there was some experimentation with the stereo effect as early as >about 1901, but I've never known of players, or even records, that would >reproduct it. The single-needle idea was a new concept in the 1950's, but >if not stereo, what would be the purpose o dual horns and a single needle? http://www.radiophonomania.ch/pesperanto.htm Wider Sound dispersion with 2 horns and 2 Diaphragms?? Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 333702 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1146588042.140889.50490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <5fP5g.712703$084.2961@attbi_s22> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:25:37 GMT In article <1146588042.140889.50490@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, k6sti@n2.net says... > > >> radios that go out the door.. and no longer letting 6x5 rectifier tubes >> out the door we haven't lost a power transformer or had any other major > > >John, have you had any rectifiers short other than 6X4s or 6X5s? > >Brian > Hi Brian .. never had it happen to any others that I can remember.. there are a few that from design I guess same problem could occurr.. but perhaps the designers of those tubes did a better job?.. As for method to drop the line voltage... lower tube count radios are the ones that get resistors in them ... picked up some nice 21 ohm Dale aluminum finned 40 watters a while back at a Hamfest... about a buck each .. also some others... keep your eyes open out there.. they do appear... higher tube count radios... boost buck type small transformer arrangement like Michael said... Skycraft Surplus in Orlando must have figured out there was a market for all these surplus equipment transformers... this winter they were getting 4 and 5 bucks each for them... previous year I think I only paid 3 bucks each.. I pick up 12,15,18,20 volt ones...some at one amp and most at 1.5 to 2 amp ratings... John k9uwa Article: 333703 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: A round Victrola? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146526684.717822.6380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:29:31 GMT In article , tim@panix.com says... > > > Oddly enough, one of those also just ended unloved on eBay: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624152074 >Obviously no one thought the >above example was worth the starting price, but I know these don't >go too cheap. > Tim Mullen Although I am very sure I got a great deal for my local buddy at 90 bucks...am also sure that 2400 bucks is way outta sight for what one of these things should sell for. John Article: 333704 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ATTENTION OHIO CONSOLE RESCUE PERSONNEL From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <124tfrrpn5uss08@corp.supernews.com> <4456840c$0$26450$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Message-ID: <_lP5g.712711$084.391672@attbi_s22> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:32:58 GMT In article , newton5@remove.comcast.net says... > > >Thanks John. No "nose waving" yet. I've not seen it in person. I may be begging Dan to >take it off my hands...... > I AM hoping for a side by side runoff with the 12-S-471 though. It looks (in the >schematic) like RCA made much better use of all those extra tubes. That front end and >IF section looks SETI certified. ;) It sure "looks" like a great performer. No Question about that comparison .. although the Zenith is pricier .. the 15 toober RCA will run rings around the Zenith. If you decide U don't want it.. bring it to Lansing Radio meet in July.. bet someone there will take it... probably ME... John Article: 333705 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:36:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In "Gary Tayman" writes: >So -- since I don't read switzerese, Did you get the javascript popup asking you to "Choose either the "smooth" or "advanced" static modes!"? Never before have I thought of those as exclusive. > can sosmebody explain that dual-horned >thing to me? >I know there was some experimentation with the stereo effect as early as >about 1901, but I've never known of players, or even records, that would >reproduct it. The single-needle idea was a new concept in the 1950's, but >if not stereo, what would be the purpose o dual horns and a single needle? Greater volume. Both diaphragms are driven by a single needle. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333706 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:43:24 GMT In article , jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com says... > > > > >jim menning > > The Scam of course is to harvest your password... and shortly after that your bank account will be dry also.. That 7 Tube Walton that didn't meet the reserve ended last nite... me and two other bidders I know of all got Bogus "2nd Chance Offers" on it... John Article: 333707 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <4457C7D6.4113F80@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> <4456F9E4.49537D37@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 21:00:41 GMT robert casey wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > > The equipment we built for the military and NASA had to be tested at > > 90 VAC, 115 VAC and 130 VAC to guarantee that it would work over a wide > > range of line voltages. This raised the transformer's cost about 30% > > more than if we could have had it built for a fixed 115 VAC. > > You can get transformers designed for use on 115VAC @ 60Hz and 230V > @50Hz (parallel primaries or primaries in series). The extra iron or > windings to operate and not saturate on 50Hz will give you more margin > at 60Hz. This would be (60/50)* 115V = 138V. I'd have to look to see > if the extra cost is your 30% or not. > > Some old transformers built for 116V @ 25Hz will work quite nicely at > 230V at 60Hz. Of course every secondary winding will yield twice the > voltage at the same current rating. Oh, watch that the high voltage > secondary insulation can take that twice higher voltage. Actually, they were split primaries and 50 to 400 Hz. They were built in hermetically sealed steel boxes with soldered in feed throughs. They cost from a little over $200, up to $900 each. That was one reason that the next generation of receiver switched to Vicor dual output swirtchers. A dual 5 VDC and a dual 12 VDC unit were used, and they failed like crazy. We switched to a semi-custom switcher with all four outputs and automatic line selection which had poor quality control, before switching to another supplier. I had to get in the face of the moron setting up our ISO-9001 certification and scream at him before he listened to the problems. He had insisted on being put in charge of the QC program and didn't know the first thing about electronics manufacturing. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 333708 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: Subject: Re: PayPal/eBay scam: Message-ID: <1eQ5g.26889$U74.373030@wagner.videotron.net> Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:30:59 -0400 "jim menning" wrote in message news:CwK5g.9618$Bh.2382@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com... > > "Syl" wrote in message > news:vGI5g.60337$hR6.370756@weber.videotron.net... >> >> >> The very last line is the give away: "PayPal Email ID PP301" >> >> No such thing in real Paypal emails, all scams have it. In your original >> email, you may read >> paypal.com but it will redirect you to a fake website and collect your >> personal >> info. Usual scam... >> >> Syl >> > > Better check that again Syl... > > ALL my email confirmations from PayPal have that line in them, whether a > text email, or in light gray on HTML emails. > > PayPal Email ID PP242 > > PayPal Email ID PP843 > > PayPal Email ID PP286 > > PayPal Email ID PP343 > > PayPal Email ID PP120 > > Check some of your own PayPal confirmation emails from service@paypal.com > and you should see them also. > > jim menning None of them will show ID PP301. I checked 25 of my Paypal emails (from hundreds). That code (PP301) is used in fake Paypal emails. I've never seen it in a any of mylegitimate Paypal emails. Syl Article: 333709 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: 6X4 self-distructs! Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 14:42:37 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1146322266.177111.54380@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <18583-44538859-21@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> <5d47525n3ed6e693qa9or94bijeajd25pl@4ax.com> <44559370.F6DFA744@earthlink.net> <4456F9E4.49537D37@earthlink.net> <4457C7D6.4113F80@earthlink.net> On Tue, 02 May 2006 21:00:41 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: > Actually, they were split primaries and 50 to 400 Hz. They were >built in hermetically sealed steel boxes with soldered in feed >throughs. They cost from a little over $200, up to $900 each. That was >one reason that the next generation of receiver switched to Vicor dual >output swirtchers. A dual 5 VDC and a dual 12 VDC unit were used, and >they failed like crazy. We switched to a semi-custom switcher with all >four outputs and automatic line selection which had poor quality >control, before switching to another supplier. I had to get in the face >of the moron setting up our ISO-9001 certification and scream at him >before he listened to the problems. He had insisted on being put in >charge of the QC program and didn't know the first thing about >electronics manufacturing. All "ISO-9001" certification really means that some bonehead with no engineering credentials took some courses in the new party line on QC and was hired by clueless corporate management to make them feel like their crap was "quality stuff." It has little, if any, bearing on reality. Other such corporate horseshit awards and meaningless certifications abound, another one being the "Malcolm Baldridge Award," for which brain dead AT&T CEO Bob Allen spent millions chasing while the core business of the company went down the toilet in the '90s. Article: 333710 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 21:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In "George Conklin" writes: >they used two horns and sometimes two needles next to each other >to make the sound louder. I didn't know about two needles! How did that work? Did they follow one another, tandem-style, in the groove? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333711 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: A round Victrola? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 22:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1146522838.626227.33900@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1146526684.717822.6380@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) writes: >In article , tim@panix.com says... >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624152074 >Although I am very sure I got a great deal for my local buddy at 90 bucks...am >also sure that 2400 bucks is way outta sight for what one of these things >should sell for. Dunno. I've seen these pop up from time to time over the years, and it seems to me they were always four-figure territory. I was never sufficiently interested to remember exactly which four figures, however. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333712 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Wanted at Kutztown 05/12-13 Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 18:04:28 -0400 Message-ID: <125flrboajtdg1d@corp.supernews.com> Let me beat Keith P. to the punch :) Hi, I'm Vermont Console Rescue where we rescue all kinds big radios and phonos not just floor ones. If you have a cellar dwelling wooden radio that is unloved and needing a new home drop me a line IF it happens to fit in the following general categories- 1) 1932-40 2) consoles 10 tubes or more, tombs or cats 8 or more 3) multiple bands 4) RF stage a must and 2 IF stages a plus 5) unappreciated brand like Stromberg, GE, or Slivertone Nonworking and rustic appearance is fine even desired but no entire set needs reveneering projects please. I pay cash and most of these become part of my personal collection. And eye tubes are a plus. Thanks! John H. Vermont Console Rescue Article: 333713 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 07:23:13 +0900 Message-ID: I'll soon be closing my PayPal account. Too much crap like what happened to the seller whose link appears below, my best online source for DVD's. www.worldwidedvds.com Article: 333714 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146609800.922308.265630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 23:05:44 GMT CAINE wrote: > those German foil caps are far superior to anything you could replace > them with today > You sure about that? Even the mid level caps of today would be better than the best of 40 years ago. Also, you need to run tests with high voltage to test leakage as it might happen in your amp. Article: 333715 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: Fun with PayPal (NOT!) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 19:20:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: On Wed, 3 May 2006 07:23:13 +0900, "Brenda Ann" wrote: >I'll soon be closing my PayPal account. Too much crap like what happened to >the seller whose link appears below, my best online source for DVD's. > >www.worldwidedvds.com > > This is precisely why I have never accepted PayPal payments. We are set up with a merchant account and can accept cc payments directly. PayPal insists on access to your bank account so that they can protect themselves from chargebacks. Those of us who make their sales over the internet are at the mercy of disreputable buyers. When you do not have the actual cc in your possession at the time of the transaction you can never prove that the transaction was valid. The credit card companies will only accept a swipe of the actual card and a valid signature as proof. If you do internet transactions, that never happens and you are vulnerable to fraudulent claims. The only protection you have is be very wary of who you do business with. At AnaTek we have developed procedures that have successfully protected ourselves for the past 4 years, after being ripped off lots of times. It will happen again, I am sure, but not very often. That is the price of doing business on the net. PayPal protects themselves from such frauds by passing the risk on to the seller and gaining access to the seller's bank account. Want the convienence? Pay their price and take the risk, but do it with your eyes wide open. Better to open your own merchant services account and learn how to protect yourself, IMHO. John AnaTek Corporation The Electronic Repair Center at www.anatekcorp.com Article: 333716 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Fisher 500c- the new 7591's singing a push-pull stereo rhapsody-SUCCESS ! Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 08:39:02 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1146454016.143954.20280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146473415.547287.105800@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1146480756.993764.121400@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146582221.975138.303710@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1146609800.922308.265630@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1146612475.631419.151320@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "CAINE" wrote in message news:1146612475.631419.151320@j73g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > put it this way- after I tested them, I wished I'd left them in- the > replacements had a wider variation than the 43 year old caps had > > anything made in Germany is going to be good- I mean these caps are > dead nuts on their printed spec > Capacitor values are not normally critical to within 20%, except in some rare instances in R/C timing circuits. Article: 333717 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Phono website in Switzerland Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 23:57:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> In <_fS5g.6295$An2.3369@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> "Gary Tayman" writes: > That would be called a reverb! >"Tim Mullen" wrote in message >news:e38kod$pbo$1@reader1.panix.com... >> >> I didn't know about two needles! How did that work? Did they >> follow one another, tandem-style, in the groove? You'd think so, but I can't imagine them being side-by-side: each would only contact one groove wall, and the alignment would be a nightmare. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 333718 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Robert Mozeleski"