Article: 336527 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:59:45 -0600 Message-ID: <8427-44A68DE1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> References: <4fSdndWxMqGwFDvZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> If i may add .... If you put things on the outer flexable surround on old paper speakers it will stiffen the movement of the cone and reduce low or bass notes . Many of the 4 and 5 inch speakers already sound pretty tinny but what does one expect from a small speaker ?? :-) Anything added to the surround should be a flexable substance such as the fabric glue mentioned to help maintain a nicer tone quality . On several occasions where i had a pretty faded or glued cracks ugly cone i carfully protected coil holes & gaskets then sprayed very thin mist coats of Krylon semi flat black spray paint on the whole cone to recolor it . Hair spray 8-) i will leave that to you guys . Article: 336528 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: American Bosch Treasure Chest Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:06:49 -0600 Message-ID: <8425-44A68F89-342@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> References: <21vpg.6199$so3.4270@southeast.rr.com> I have never seen one in detail like that . Very nice . I like how you used ``real space`` between the pictures <:-) Article: 336529 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:30:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> References: On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 06:28:24 -0500, "philo" wrote: >3) Record the tape directly to my computer and see if there is >software to slow it down electronically Bingo. Even the cheap consumer grade digital wav editors these days have pitch AND speed correction, each adjustable individually. Dub it >from your RTR right into your sound card and use whatever editor you come across...Nero, Creative, whatever...that has the pitch/speed facility you need. Many of those old RTR answering machines used rim drive, so the speed will vary as you go through the reel. Also, they tended to use a permanent magnet to "erase" the tape, so your RTR will be nice and magnetized when you're done. Get out the demagger and to a thorough demagging job afterward. I'd fix the machine...can't be anything too serious. >I am not sure I want to repair something with no collectors value... >or is it possible the thing might have an antique value? Get it running and eBay it. EBay proves that David Hannum (NOT P.T. Barnum) was right...there's a sucker born every minute. Charlie Nudo aka CAINE has tried to make a living based on that premise alone. Article: 336530 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: VTVM's Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 08:33:48 -0700 Message-ID: References: <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> On 30 Jun 2006 15:31:17 GMT, et472@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Michael Black) wrote: >Why is the C better than the B? I've had a 410B for almost sixteen >years, and had the use of one for years before that. I always assumed >the 410B was the ultimate. I don't have a clue how the C differs. Same basic instrument, different probe tube and a few other changes, including the later two tone grey paint job. The 410C was one of the very last H-P lab instruments to retain the old "tube era" enclosure, along with the wildly popular 200CD. It was the 200 variable oscillator that made Messrs. Hewlitt and Packard famous and set the standard for quality that became H-P. It was sad to watch a wannabe CEO marketeer named Carly Fiorina tear it all apart in the space of a few years, just like Bob Allen destroyed AT&T. Article: 336531 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Caveat Lector" Subject: Collection of Antique Radio URL's Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:40:51 -0700 http://ac6v.com/antique.htm#SW -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! Article: 336532 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: VTVM's From: "Weldon Nudlpudl" References: <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 18:55:33 GMT On 1-Jul-2006, DeserTBoB wrote: > Bob Allen destroyed AT&T. Et maintenant les Français ont traîné le cadavre de Bell Labs à leur chambre à coucher. Article: 336533 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carter, k8vt" Subject: (OT) Bell Labs [was Re: VTVM's] References: <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:14:51 GMT > On 1-Jul-2006, DeserTBoB wrote: > >> Bob Allen destroyed AT&T. Weldon Nudlpudl wrote: > Et maintenant les Français ont traîné le cadavre de Bell Labs à leur chambre à coucher. Fractured French notwithstanding, what you say is sad but true. Unfortunately, 99.9% of the people don't even realize a national treasure has been lost... (Well, our Beloved Leader *did* say "Outsourcing is good for this country). :-( Did they at least spin off the little piece of the Labs that was to stay in America to deal with their classified/government work? From adouglasatgis.net Tue Jul 4 21:23:49 EDT 2006 Article: 336534 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: VTVM's Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 15:17:55 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $19.95 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-253.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.news.ucla.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news4 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:336534 Hi, >Why is the C better than the B? The 410C is half the size, and has only one tube; the remainder is transistorized. Alan Article: 336535 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:36:09 -0500 Message-ID: <16960-44A6DCB9-237@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: I always have liked those old push button radios.They won't stay on station because you usually have to pull on the buttons and retune the stations with the tuning knob and then push the buttons back in,but I still like them.Some old cars had radios with clear bakelite knobs on the radios,(looked like ice cubes,mostly French,I think) Sharp looking push button radios.I bought a Zenith model C440W made in Japan,solid state AM FM Stereo receiver at the Goodwill store this afternoon.Only $5.00 and it works great too. cuhulin Article: 336536 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philo" References: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:13:05 -0500 Message-ID: "DeserTBoB" wrote in message news:1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com... > On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 06:28:24 -0500, "philo" wrote: > > >3) Record the tape directly to my computer and see if there is > >software to slow it down electronically > > Bingo. Even the cheap consumer grade digital wav editors these days > have pitch AND speed correction, each adjustable individually. Dub it > from your RTR right into your sound card and use whatever editor you > come across...Nero, Creative, whatever...that has the pitch/speed > facility you need. > > Many of those old RTR answering machines used rim drive, so the speed > will vary as you go through the reel. Also, they tended to use a > permanent magnet to "erase" the tape, so your RTR will be nice and > magnetized when you're done. Get out the demagger and to a thorough > demagging job afterward. > > I'd fix the machine...can't be anything too serious. > > >I am not sure I want to repair something with no collectors value... > >or is it possible the thing might have an antique value? > > Get it running and eBay it. EBay proves that David Hannum (NOT P.T. > Barnum) was right...there's a sucker born every minute. Charlie Nudo > aka CAINE has tried to make a living based on that premise alone. Thanks for the replies everyone... I think the first thing I'll do is just record it to a .wav file on my computer... then use software to get the pitch right... then see if I can get the unit working again. Even though the unit is a capistan drive... >from playing it back the pitch does seem to change slightly...so there is at least some "rim" effect. If I do get it fixed...I'm sure I'll just keep it...as it's really too heavy to ship! Article: 336537 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:01:51 -0500 Message-ID: <16960-44A6E2BF-242@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <8427-44A68DE1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> Many years ago,I read that if the bicycle handle bar grips on bicycles are loose,if you spray some hairspray inside of the grips,that will tighten them back up as good as new.Just another trick for hairspray. cuhulin Article: 336538 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Wanted Dodge or Plymouth 1940 Auto Radio Parts Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:13:12 -0500 Message-ID: <16961-44A6E568-60@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Or you might try www.hemmingsmotornews.com Several times each year I buy a new Hemmings Motor News magazine at the Wal Mart store.I bought one last April and about three weeks ago,I gave it to the Bell South woman next door.She has her eye on a Chevrolet Cameo pickup truck that she knows about in a county not far from here.I told her if she decides not to buy that pickup truck to let me know.She likes old,old vehicles too. cuhulin Article: 336539 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? References: <4fSdndWxMqGwFDvZnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com> <8427-44A68DE1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 16:47:02 -0500 Ken G. wrote: > If i may add .... If you put things on the outer flexable surround on > old paper speakers it will stiffen the movement of the cone and reduce > low or bass notes . > > Many of the 4 and 5 inch speakers already sound pretty tinny but what > does one expect from a small speaker ?? :-) Anything added to the > surround should be a flexable substance such as the fabric glue > mentioned to help maintain a nicer tone quality . > I've had pretty good luck with Elmer's, or other white glue, thinned with water. Brush it on. > On several occasions where i had a pretty faded or glued cracks ugly > cone i carfully protected coil holes & gaskets then sprayed very thin > mist coats of Krylon semi flat black spray paint on the whole cone to > recolor it . > > Hair spray 8-) i will leave that to you guys . > > > > > > Article: 336540 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? References: <8427-44A68DE1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> <16960-44A6E2BF-242@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 16:50:45 -0500 cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Many years ago,I read that if the bicycle handle bar grips on bicycles > are loose,if you spray some hairspray inside of the grips,that will > tighten them back up as good as new.Just another trick for hairspray. > cuhulin > > For stage, presentation or video applications, if a banner or other piece of scenery 'flares' under stage lighting, an application of hairspray will tone it down to reduce reflections without otherwise changing the appearance. jak Article: 336541 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 17:19:17 -0500 Message-ID: <4940-44A6F4E5-69@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: I own some old reel to reel tape recorders of various sizes.One of them is a big three speed reel to reel tape recorder.About twenty years ago,I saw an ad in Thrifty Nickle about a guy in a city near me.He was looking for just such a reel to reel tape recorder.I didn't phone him though. cuhulin Article: 336542 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Phipps" Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:42:52 -0500 Message-ID: <12ae23q7q2hb42d@corp.supernews.com> References: <4940-44A6F4E5-69@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> I'm "sort of" a collector of reel to reel recorders. They seemed to be hard to find a few years ago, but now many of the local flea markets have several lying around for reasonable prices. Saw a super nice fancy Sony stereo reel to reel component model with dust cover earlier today for $25. A few months ago I bought a rather crude 50s era portable recorder that uses large clear plastic cartridges that look like 8 tracks, though it definitely predates them by many years. "philo" wrote in message news:MKKdnZ6-_rNgZjvZnZ2dnUVZ_r6dnZ2d@athenet.net... > the one i just bought from a friend of mine works 100% fine... > it only cost me $30... > way cheaper than a repair > > Article: 336543 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Katmandu" References: <1151319964.784324.265150@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1151504980.845990.321510@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151578170.745911.133720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <6iapg.6307$Eh1.5459@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1151678000.189606.144770@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Value of Tubes... Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 00:58:27 GMT Reserve was only set at $60. Not sure what your reference to an Emerson is ???? -ERIC "Steven" wrote in message news:1151678000.189606.144770@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Katmandu wrote: > > Transmitter/Amplifier WILL bring BIG bucks if you sell them to CB radio/Ham > > type folks. Been there, done that. :>) > > > > Go post them on those Newsgroups and you'll have folks scrambling for them! > > Trust me! > > We'd hold that judgement until somebody figures out your reserve on a > Heathkit amp. > > Bet I could buy an Emerson... > Article: 336544 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Katmandu" References: <1151677844.291567.63450@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151684726.409217.228640@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FA: Tube Amplifier Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 00:58:54 GMT > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190002465415 > > > > > > Yeah, may be nice, but I have an entire AJ-30 to restore to operating > > > status. > > > > > > > Cool! :>) > > Nothing running makes it room temperature, actually. That would be true. 2 hours to go on the Auction BTW..... -ERIC Article: 336545 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44A71AA8.A5C654B7@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Value of Tubes... References: <1151319964.784324.265150@c74g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1151504980.845990.321510@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151578170.745911.133720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <6iapg.6307$Eh1.5459@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com> <1151678000.189606.144770@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:00:37 GMT Katmandu wrote: > > Reserve was only set at $60. > > Not sure what your reference to an Emerson is ???? He's the resident bipolar troll that won't go away. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 336546 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:38:39 -0600 Message-ID: <10260-44A7239F-77@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> References: had pretty good luck with Elmer's, or other white glue, thinned with water. Brush it on. You might try the fabric glue .. it will improve the sound quality of the speaker over using elmers . No big deal just a suggestion Article: 336547 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <1151542477.561894.120760@x69g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> <1151543413.370847.73480@d56g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151588981.202779.320850@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Voip in Amateur Radio,Voip Updated Howto, Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:59:08 GMT Hi! > Actually, I have an extension and four phones to use, and I do > need 911 once in a while. I recently moved into a new house and of course the question of phone service came up. At first I debated even *having* a phone in the place. But then I reconsidered and thought about emergencies and the like... I then thought about Vonage...much less expensive, supposedly easy to set up, and I've used other people's Internet-based phone service. It seemed to work well. However, after reading their fine print, I was really put off of the concept...especially with regard to emergency phone calls. Although it costs somewhat more each month, I just went ahead and gave Verizon my business. Back when a storm roared through here and took down several trees, they were awfully good about helping us clean things up. They did much more than they had to, and for that I'm glad. William Article: 336548 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 21:13:32 -0500 Subject: Re: where can i buy a good record player? From: John Stone Message-ID: References: <4dSdncTRMM-vVwPZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151342056.479787.76870@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151407992.129720.153410@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com> <1151539874.134260.70530@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1151619373.455224.3880@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <4LudnWDsUtgTqzjZnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d@bright.net> <1151680239.944679.249410@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <5Mmdndd3xbVN0TjZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@bright.net> <1151689695.177003.43700@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151795163.944439.316600@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 7/1/06 6:06 PM, in article 1151795163.944439.316600@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Peter Wieck" wrote: > > Repeating the issue: > > Coating... NEVER. > > Soaking with a material that integrates with the fibers, perhaps. But > after careful thought. > I would like to know what exactly the goal is here, and how is it accomplished? Are you trying to improve something? Frequency response, distortion? After you've coated, soaked, whatever you call it, then what? Without having the ability to measure before and after in some way this seems like nothing more than a stab in the dark. The effects of changing a cone through application of another material to it will result in changes in stiffness, mass, absorption, and God knows what else. Without some reasonable knowledge of driver design, the chances of these changes resulting in an improvement seem slim at best. I am in this industry and have seen firsthand what it takes to good results from doping cones. It requires experience, skill, and the ability to measure loudspeaker parameters with good resolution and repeatability. IOW, not for amateurs. If I had a set of drivers I liked, I would never modify them myself in this way. If the driver designers thought that doping the cone would improve the driver, they would have done it in the first place. Article: 336549 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Barry" Subject: RG178 or RF196 Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 21:56:05 -0500 Message-ID: <4bd5e$44a734b1$18d649b3$19731@KNOLOGY.NET> Does anyone know where I can buy some RG178 or RG196 coax by the foot? I've found it but have to buy 20' or 50'. I'd like to be able to buy just a few feet since that's all I really need. Thanks, Barry - N4BUQ Article: 336550 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Relative value 1947 and now (filesize 190k) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 22:53:04 -0400 Message-ID: <12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com> References: <12a163ej5penebc@news.supernews.com> <1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> > John Byrns wrote: >> Why do so many of the Canadian AA5 & AA6 radios shown on this catalog >> page >> that was posted on the alt.binaries.pictures.radio newsgroup include the >> Long Wave band? I didn't realize LW was used in Canada in 1947. >> >> >> Regards, >> >> John Byrns >> >> "nesesu" wrote in message news:1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Methinks that the ad guys were, perhaps, using 'long wave' to refer to > standard broadcast since the sets are said to receive "Short Wave and > Long Wave" with no mention of BC, yet the single band sets are called > "Standard Broadcast". > Given that, though, what about Newfoundland, which was just changing > from British to Canadian about then, did they use LW for broadcasting?? > I think I have the GE version of that RCA in the top left and it is BC > and SW. > In any case, the prices were frightful when the wages for the 'common > man' were in the $50-100/month range!! > > Neil S. I've no idea about John's Long Wave question, but the pricing question sure is astounding to me. As I mentioned in the original post, the RCA metal lunch box portable radio was $89.95 in this catalogue! Other pages show men's Kodiak 14" leather lace-up work boots for $13.95, and a Daisy 1000 shot air-rifle for $4.30, so where did they get off selling that radio for ninety dollars? Article: 336551 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Relative value 1947 and now (filesize 190k) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:06:39 +0900 Message-ID: References: <12a163ej5penebc@news.supernews.com> <1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com> "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message news:12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com... >> John Byrns wrote: >>> Why do so many of the Canadian AA5 & AA6 radios shown on this catalog >>> page >>> that was posted on the alt.binaries.pictures.radio newsgroup include the >>> Long Wave band? I didn't realize LW was used in Canada in 1947. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> John Byrns >>> >>> > > "nesesu" wrote in message > news:1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Methinks that the ad guys were, perhaps, using 'long wave' to refer to >> standard broadcast since the sets are said to receive "Short Wave and >> Long Wave" with no mention of BC, yet the single band sets are called >> "Standard Broadcast". >> Given that, though, what about Newfoundland, which was just changing >> from British to Canadian about then, did they use LW for broadcasting?? >> I think I have the GE version of that RCA in the top left and it is BC >> and SW. >> In any case, the prices were frightful when the wages for the 'common >> man' were in the $50-100/month range!! >> >> Neil S. > > I've no idea about John's Long Wave question, but the pricing question > sure is astounding to me. As I mentioned in the original post, the RCA > metal lunch box portable radio was $89.95 in this catalogue! Other pages > show men's Kodiak 14" leather lace-up work boots for $13.95, and a Daisy > 1000 shot air-rifle for $4.30, so where did they get off selling that > radio for ninety dollars? > Can I hazard a guess that the radio tax was figured into the price in the catalog? Article: 336552 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:11:09 -0400 Message-ID: <12aeeajbeoa5od5@corp.supernews.com> References: <12ablsvi72gmjd2@corp.supernews.com> Thanks guys, there go forty radios BACK into John's poor shed. ALL radios have redeeming features, if I thought like you guys I'd be living amongst console canyons with radios on the bed and end up dead under a fallen pile of 1942 RCA's. John H. Article: 336553 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:14:31 -0400 Message-ID: <12aeeguq80inp1f@corp.supernews.com> References: <8427-44A68DE1-13@storefull-3235.bay.webtv.net> <16960-44A6E2BF-242@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> It also makes a GREAT temporary blowtorch, and potato gun fuel. John H. Article: 336554 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: I Guess This Page Proves... Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:31:21 -0400 Message-ID: <12aefgf60ghgoe1@corp.supernews.com> References: <44a5b988$0$9844$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <19336-44A5D515-175@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> "Ken G." wrote in message news:19336-44A5D515-175@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net... > > John . I enjoyed many of your postings that had nothing to do with ebay > Lately it seems you have been taken prisoner by to many objects and > their perfection . Nah, Ken- this is called KVETCHING (mild complaining that solitcits NO advice or solution). > How are you doing in your new house ? is it full yet ? how is the yard & > land coming ? > No, the house is still only half full because I take an attitude like during the Reign of Terror in France- is this radio good enough to stay? Otherwise, off with it's head, err, off to the swap with it! I created a huge real rose bed and redid the perennial gardens in the last few weeks here. NOW if it would only dry out for awhile!!!. Snoopy's radios are kinda an abomination, Ken, admit it. I (and you) would rather he sell them as he found them. John H. Article: 336555 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:22:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> philo wrote: > "DeserTBoB" wrote in message > news:1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 06:28:24 -0500, "philo" wrote: >> >>> 3) Record the tape directly to my computer and see if there is >>> software to slow it down electronically >> Bingo. Even the cheap consumer grade digital wav editors these days >> have pitch AND speed correction, each adjustable individually. Dub it >> from your RTR right into your sound card and use whatever editor you >> come across...Nero, Creative, whatever...that has the pitch/speed >> facility you need. >> >> Many of those old RTR answering machines used rim drive, so the speed >> will vary as you go through the reel. Also, they tended to use a >> permanent magnet to "erase" the tape, so your RTR will be nice and >> magnetized when you're done. Get out the demagger and to a thorough >> demagging job afterward. >> >> I'd fix the machine...can't be anything too serious. >> >>> I am not sure I want to repair something with no collectors value... >>> or is it possible the thing might have an antique value? >> Get it running and eBay it. EBay proves that David Hannum (NOT P.T. >> Barnum) was right...there's a sucker born every minute. Charlie Nudo >> aka CAINE has tried to make a living based on that premise alone. > > > Thanks for the replies everyone... > > I think the first thing I'll do is just record it to a .wav file on my > computer... > then use software to get the pitch right... > then see if I can get the unit working again. Even though the unit is a > capistan drive... > from playing it back the pitch does seem to change slightly...so there is at > least some "rim" effect. > > If I do get it fixed...I'm sure I'll just keep it...as it's really too heavy > to ship! > > Search on the web for an old trial copy of Cool Edit 96. It has all the features of the full version available, just not all at once-you select the feature set from a list when you start the program. Yes, it is old, but it still works under all subsequent versions of windows. You can do pitch correction, sample rate correction, speed correction, noise reduction, and all that other stuff you would need for a one-shot project like this. Once you have cleaned up the audio to your satisfaction, save it as a 16 bit, 44.1Khz WAV file and then burn it to a half dozen or so CDs and give all but a couple to people you trust for safekeeping, and keep one in your work environment, if you are gainfully employed. That way, if your house burns down or something, you haven't lost what are irreplaceable recordings. BTW, consider yourself lucky that that answering machine even HAS a tape! I have one that uses a digital memory chip to store the recorded calls. Although it was retired two years ago in favor of a much more advanced model, I can't get rid of it because it has the last words ever recorded of my father-in-law, who passed away three years ago. Until I figure out an absolutely non-destructive way of extracting the recordings on the machine and put them on a CD, My wife will not permit me to discard the machine. The highest-quality way of putting it onto a CD is to attach the recording leads between my computer soundcard input and the speaker leads inside the machine. I'm kind of afraid to open it up to do that, though.....If I were to inadvertently zap the memory chip and make it inaccessable, you would hear the sound of my wife strangling me from halfway around the world. :-) Another situation that makes me long for low-tech.... -Scott Article: 336556 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:49:06 -0400 Message-ID: <12aeghnsg35cg4f@corp.supernews.com> References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > I found this chart, but it's rather confusing: > > > There are no "guesses"- keep reading the page over and over until it's clear. Also Google any unfamiliar terms, and look at websites like these- http://colomar.com/Shavano/crossover12db.html http://sound.westhost.com/lr-passive.htm (it will make the other pages seem really really simple because they are) I spent a couple DOZEN hours planning my Scott repro crossover box and ordering and assembling the parts. A best guess thrown together crossover will sound that way. But really you just look at the chart and chose your capacitors and coils. You can find inductors at partsexpress.com among other places or wind your own. Use 100 volt metal film or Mylar capacitors. Crossover point should be somewhere between 2000 and 3000 Hz I'd guess. John H. Article: 336557 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 20:35:13 -0700 Message-ID: References: <4940-44A6F4E5-69@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> <12ae23q7q2hb42d@corp.supernews.com> Steve Phipps wrote: > I'm "sort of" a collector of reel to reel recorders. They seemed to be hard > to find a few years ago, but now many of the local flea markets have several > lying around for reasonable prices. Saw a super nice fancy Sony stereo reel > to reel component model with dust cover earlier today for $25. They are still very available at the fleas. I picked up an AKAI Quadrophonic R2R unit about two months ago at a church sale for peanuts....Then two weeks later, another one showed up at a flea that was almost identical except that it also had an 8-track cart player built into the side. I grabbed it, too.....also for penuts. They are built like tanks, which is probably why so many of them survive. If you were a true audiophile or needed a super long recording time, Reel-to-Reel was your only choice for years. -Scott Article: 336558 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <12ablsvi72gmjd2@corp.supernews.com> <12aeeajbeoa5od5@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing) Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:12:38 -0500 Message-ID: <44a73a69$0$9809$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12aeeajbeoa5od5@corp.supernews.com... > Thanks guys, there go forty radios BACK into John's poor shed. ALL radios > have redeeming features, if I thought like you guys I'd be living amongst > console canyons with radios on the bed and end up dead under a fallen pile > of 1942 RCA's. Thanks for the visual John, I just snarfed a mouthful of lemonade all over my keyboard. You can send me a small wooden table radio to make up for it. :-) Know what you mean, though, I had to cut myself off at 8 consoles and I could be talked into getting rid of some of them if I could figure out how to get a good price for them without having to lug or ship them anywhere. I guess I don't want to get rid of them badly enough to put any effort into selling them..... paul -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 336559 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1151816244.381790.18070@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 00:15:53 -0500 Message-ID: <44a74943$0$9883$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Stephanie Weil" wrote in message news:1151816244.381790.18070@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >I dunno about hairspray, but when I was once fighting with a brittle > (but otherwise fine) speaker, Brenda suggested I spray a bit of 3M's > #77 adhesive on it. Funny you should mention that. About a week ago the distortion from my Westinghouse 12X16 finally got too intolerable to deal with so I pulled the chassis and found that the problem was the speaker cone getting weak at the surround. Looking around for something to strengthen it I broke out the 3M 77 and gave it a coat. It got 80% better, but it's still not quite where I want it. That set with its push-pull 25L6s and 4x9 speaker generates bass like a console (those of you who have ever had an RCA 28X5 will know what I'm talking about; it's the same chassis) so any speaker problems are readily apparent even to a tin-ear like me. If going over it again with something doesn't help I'm going to have to have it reconed. p -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 336560 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: (OT) Bell Labs [was Re: VTVM's] From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 07:34:00 GMT On Sat, 1 Jul 2006 19:14:51 GMT, Carter, k8vt wrote: > Fractured French notwithstanding, what you say is sad but true. > Unfortunately, 99.9% of the people don't even realize a national > treasure has been lost... (Well, our Beloved Leader *did* say > "Outsourcing is good for this country). :-( What the French firm bought was so different from what Bell Labs had been that you shouldn't at all think that they bought the latter. In the face of the end to AT&T's monopolization of long distance service and ownership of RBOCs with their own monopolies, for Bell Labs to have continued as approximately what it was it would have had to have been spun-off as a "non-profit" entity, with some remarkably generous financial endowment. Something like the Battelle Memorial Institute or perhaps like the Rand Corporation. > Did they at least spin off the little piece of the Labs that was to stay > in America to deal with their classified/government work? No. Rather, classified information is not supposed to flow from those parts to others. (This is really no different, in principle, from the same sorts of restrictions on purely domestic firms.) Article: 336561 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:00:37 +0200 From: "F.C. Trevor Gale" Subject: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'... Message-ID: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: "King Walker" Trevor - I would like to post a message ....can you give me some ideas of how to do it. I'm looking for an "elmer" in my area to teach me how to repair old radios and phonos. Thanks. Could someone please mail this gentleman (asking his area code etc perhaps)?` Article: 336562 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: STRANGE Intermittent! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 12:14:44 GMT I'm sure all of you who have spent time working on old radios have seen your share of really strange problems. Well, I just encountered a good one. The good news is that I found the solution, but just to make you guys think, I'll give you the symptoms now and the solution after awhile. This is a Delco wonderbar radio from a 1958 Corvette. This radio is filthy dirty, but I can't blame anyone for wanting one of these fixed up -- after all, there are some pretty stiff concours shows for Corvettes, and these radios in ANY condition are worth a mint. The car is presently being restored. The customer told me the radio had worked up till now, then suddenly quit working. I put it on the bench, and it played fine. However it indeed needed some serious cleaning, and there were a few paper capacitors around the volume control that I thought would be a good idea to replace. After some cleaning and recapping, I turned the radio on again. Dead as a doornail! No sound, no stations, dead. The radio was laying on its back (on the heat sink), so I slanted it toward me to check a measurement. Suddenly it came to life! I moved around the 12DV8 in its socket, and the sound cut in and out. Aha! Dirty tube socket! At this point I checked all the tubes, three were weak, including the 12DV8. After replacing them, spraying cleaner into the sockets, and moving the tubes around for better contact, I turned the radio on again. Dead. This time, wiggling the tubes made no difference whatsoever, it remained dead. Now for the REALLY strange part -- I set the radio right-side-up, and it began to play just fine. Again I set it on its back, and it went dead. Set it right side up again, plays fine. Up-down-up-down, it works like a mercury switch. The "break" is at about a 45 degree angle, which is where I wiggled the tube the first time. In either position, tapping the PCB with a tuning stick did nothing. Wiggling wires and hitting the radio did nothing. Inspection of the heat sink and its related insulators showed nothing. Resoldering every connection on the PCB did nothing. Yet every time, if the radio sits upright, it goes dead, and if it sits normally it plays. Troubleshooting even further, I've found no voltage changes when the radio is moved. Everything remains perfectly normal. When dead, I get no audio at the volume control, nothing in either IF, just dead. Oscillator appears to be running. Antenna is fully inserted, and playing with the connector did nothing. Bottom line, everything on the PCB is solid, and I can get no intermittent blips or static by tapping or banging the heck out of it. Yet, sitting right-side-up on the bench it plays fine, moving it upright kills it. Go figure. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 336563 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'... Message-ID: <%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:00:43 GMT > I'm looking for an "elmer" in my area to teach me how to repair old radios > and phonos. > > Thanks Elmer? As in Fudd, or maybe glue? That's the first time I've encountered THAT term! On one hand, electronics is not something you can teach in a day, or even a week. However it is certainly teachable, and if this fellow doesn't mind doing some reading on his own, he may be able to learn enough to allow him to get inside some of these radios and do something positive. Certainly one of us can help him out by showing him things here and there, and answering questions. But now comes the BIG question: where in the world is King Walker? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 336564 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44a7cb47$0$31655$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: STRANGE Intermittent! References: Date: 02 Jul 2006 13:33:59 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > did nothing. Bottom line, everything on the PCB is solid, and I can get no > intermittent blips or static by tapping or banging the heck out of it. Yet, > sitting right-side-up on the bench it plays fine, moving it upright kills > it. Go figure. Maybe a bad tube? Intermittent O/C or S/C. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 336565 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Harley L. Miller" References: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05> Subject: Re: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'... Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:51:09 GMT Gary, the amateur radio term 'Elmer' refers to someone who mentors a new ham as he/she is in the process of becoming a licensed, and experienced, ham radio operator. My Elmer, Dean by name, helped me study for exams, coached me in the intricacies of good operation, and loaned me radio gear to help get me started. Harley WB0ROQ "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05... > > I'm looking for an "elmer" in my area to teach me how to repair old radios > > and phonos. > > > > Thanks > > Elmer? As in Fudd, or maybe glue? That's the first time I've encountered > THAT term! Article: 336566 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'... References: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:01:11 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: >> I'm looking for an "elmer" in my area to teach me how to repair old >> radios and phonos. >> >> Thanks > > > Elmer? As in Fudd, or maybe glue? That's the first time I've > encountered THAT term! Gary - You're showing your age (too young!) Today, an Elmer would be referred to as a "mentor" - such a much more comforting and correct term. I think (but I'm not sure) that the term "Elmer" came into being during WWII, though I have no idea as to the actual etymology. Bill Jeffrey Article: 336567 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'... Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:11:39 -0400 Message-ID: <12afl12i5l6rq6a@corp.supernews.com> References: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05> "Bill Jeffrey" wrote in message news:HkQpg.59344$3B.6368@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > Gary - You're showing your age (too young!) Look at this eBay seller, for whom 1978 is an ancient time just after World War 2 and Steve Martin's monster hit a complete mystery- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280002373916 Willy was a young boy, he never thought he'd see People stand in line just to see the boy king. King Tut, buried with a donkey, Funky Tut, he's my favorite honky Born in Arizona, moved to Babalona King Tut *&*&*&*&* John H. Article: 336568 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:51:45 -0500 Message-ID: <21652-44A7EB91-424@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <12aeeajbeoa5od5@corp.supernews.com> End up dead under a bunch of radios and your wife or girlfriend will auction your stuff off on eBay. cuhulin Article: 336569 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:54:58 -0500 Message-ID: <21652-44A7EC52-425@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <12aeeguq80inp1f@corp.supernews.com> Yeah,hairspray and a cigarette lighter = blowtorch. cuhulin Article: 336570 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:59:01 -0500 Message-ID: <21652-44A7ED45-426@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <1151816244.381790.18070@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> I wash my hair when I take my once a week Saturday night baths.I dont put anything in my hair but Irish (because I am Scotch Irish by ancestry) soap and water.I have two ''heads'' full of hair,wimmins. cuhulin Article: 336571 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Old answering machine References: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:13:10 GMT "Scott W. Harvey" wrote: > > Search on the web for an old trial copy of Cool Edit 96. It has all the > features of the full version available, just not all at once-you select > the feature set from a list when you start the program. Yes, it is old, > but it still works under all subsequent versions of windows. ce2kmain1.exe is the trial version I have. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 336572 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: STRANGE Intermittent! Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:35:22 -0700 Message-ID: <21721-44A7F5CA-18@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: <1151856327.088405.34980@v61g2000cwv.googlegroups.com> >From Neil S.: >Not really enough info, but perhaps a >break or short at the antenna connector >or the antenna lead you are plugging in, >or you are pushing on the shaft of the >antenna 'peaking' trimmer and opening >or shorting something there. Remember the OP (Gary) said "nothing at the volume control" when it's dead. That at least localizes the problem 'downstream' from the vol.control. The problem's just about gotta be related to muting. When an auto radio's case is open, generally enough RF will get thru to be heard even with the antenna jack dead shorted. Bill(oc) Article: 336573 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:47:08 -0500 Message-ID: <24730-44A7F88C-374@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: Two English gals in Scotland.A dude in a pub stepped out of the pub and across the road to ''visit'' a tree,he was so drunk,he fell down and passed out.One of them gals whipped a ribbon out of her hair and she tied it around his .... When he came to,he said,,,, Well Laddy,I dont know where you have been,but I am glad you won first prize! cuhulin Article: 336574 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: The SOLUTION! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:21:43 GMT I suppose the "Attaboy" of the day goes to Neil -- he just about hit the nail on the head! This is a rather heavy radio for its size, and when set upright on the heat sink the case flexes -- just a tiny bit. The antenna trimmer sits in the back, right behind one of the wonderbar return solenoids. One of the lugs for the trimmer was sticking out, and just barely kissing the back of the solenoid. When the radio was set on end, it touched -- when right-side-up, it broke contact. Bent the lug down a little, it's fine. I'm still not totally out of the woods. The audio sucks, and with the tone control all the way treble, the volume control actually goes to null partway up. So obviously there's something quirky around that volume control tap. I've also found and fixed a wonderbar solenoid problem (bad relay contact) and a few other little bugs. This is an example of a radio that appears fine at first, but the more you tinker the more problems you uncover. I think I'm gaining on it though. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:UMOpg.6194$EJ3.5535@trnddc06... > I'm sure all of you who have spent time working on old radios have seen > your share of really strange problems. Well, I just encountered a good > one. The good news is that I found the solution, but just to make you > guys think, I'll give you the symptoms now and the solution after awhile. > > This is a Delco wonderbar radio from a 1958 Corvette. This radio is > filthy dirty, but I can't blame anyone for wanting one of these fixed > up -- after all, there are some pretty stiff concours shows for Corvettes, > and these radios in ANY condition are worth a mint. > > The car is presently being restored. The customer told me the radio had > worked up till now, then suddenly quit working. I put it on the bench, > and it played fine. However it indeed needed some serious cleaning, and > there were a few paper capacitors around the volume control that I thought > would be a good idea to replace. > > After some cleaning and recapping, I turned the radio on again. Dead as a > doornail! No sound, no stations, dead. The radio was laying on its back > (on the heat sink), so I slanted it toward me to check a measurement. > Suddenly it came to life! I moved around the 12DV8 in its socket, and the > sound cut in and out. Aha! Dirty tube socket! > > At this point I checked all the tubes, three were weak, including the > 12DV8. After replacing them, spraying cleaner into the sockets, and moving > the tubes around for better contact, I turned the radio on again. Dead. > This time, wiggling the tubes made no difference whatsoever, it remained > dead. > > Now for the REALLY strange part -- I set the radio right-side-up, and it > began to play just fine. Again I set it on its back, and it went dead. > Set it right side up again, plays fine. Up-down-up-down, it works like a > mercury switch. The "break" is at about a 45 degree angle, which is where > I wiggled the tube the first time. In either position, tapping the PCB > with a tuning stick did nothing. Wiggling wires and hitting the radio did > nothing. Inspection of the heat sink and its related insulators showed > nothing. Resoldering every connection on the PCB did nothing. Yet every > time, if the radio sits upright, it goes dead, and if it sits normally it > plays. > > Troubleshooting even further, I've found no voltage changes when the radio > is moved. Everything remains perfectly normal. When dead, I get no audio > at the volume control, nothing in either IF, just dead. Oscillator > appears to be running. Antenna is fully inserted, and playing with the > connector did nothing. Bottom line, everything on the PCB is solid, and I > can get no intermittent blips or static by tapping or banging the heck out > of it. Yet, sitting right-side-up on the bench it plays fine, moving it > upright kills it. Go figure. > > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > Article: 336575 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: STRANGE Intermittent! Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:46:48 -0700 Message-ID: <21720-44A80688-189@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net> References: >From William: >Upstream. Right you are, Dub. When he said "nothing at the volume control", i erroneously assumed he was injecting signal there rather than *looking for* signal. Kudos to Neil S. Article: 336576 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 12:58:24 -0500 Message-ID: <4939-44A80940-566@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> Let me phone a phone number and if there is an answering machine on there,,, I imediately Hang UP! F... them! cuhulin Article: 336577 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 14:38:20 -0400 Message-ID: <12ag4l2s6trg3c8@corp.supernews.com> References: "Stewart Schooley" wrote in message news:YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net... > Sometime back, probably a few years ago, It was mentioned here about using > women's hairspray on old paper coned radio loudspeakers. Only on midranges and tweeter's- MEN'S hairspray should be used on woofers! The softer hold gives a deeper tone and commanding soundstage. John H. Article: 336578 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: Subject: Re: STRANGE Intermittent! Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:56:36 -0700 Message-ID: <44a816e6$0$96161$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> My first guess would be a piece-o-crud loose inside a tube or tube base thats conductive and shorting out elements. Same for the volume control. Is this a Wonder Bar radio? Sold my '58 Vette last year. It was a junker, and missing the radio (and lots more). Hope to get one in decent condition someday. Steve Article: 336579 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 15:25:06 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? References: <12ag4l2s6trg3c8@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Hagstar wrote: > "Stewart Schooley" wrote in message > news:YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net... > >>Sometime back, probably a few years ago, It was mentioned here about using >>women's hairspray on old paper coned radio loudspeakers. > > > Only on midranges and tweeter's- MEN'S hairspray should be used on woofers! > The softer hold gives a deeper tone and commanding soundstage. > > John H. > > Which brand will give me Basso Profundo? Stewart Article: 336580 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 14:39:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? From: John Stone Message-ID: References: <12ag4l2s6trg3c8@corp.supernews.com> On 7/2/06 2:25 PM, in article CdCdneo4vv8XgDXZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@bright.net, "Stewart Schooley" wrote: > Hagstar wrote: >> "Stewart Schooley" wrote in message >> news:YJGdnawNOfTdWzjZnZ2dnUVZ_oqdnZ2d@bright.net... >> >>> Sometime back, probably a few years ago, It was mentioned here about using >>> women's hairspray on old paper coned radio loudspeakers. >> >> >> Only on midranges and tweeter's- MEN'S hairspray should be used on woofers! >> The softer hold gives a deeper tone and commanding soundstage. >> >> John H. >> >> > Which brand will give me Basso Profundo? > I usually have that problem after Mexican Food. Article: 336581 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Relative value 1947 and now (filesize 190k) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:05:38 -0400 Message-ID: <12ag9omgv01b9b7@news.supernews.com> References: <12a163ej5penebc@news.supernews.com> <1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com> "Brenda Ann" wrote in message news:e87d4b$a4o$1@news2.kornet.net... > > "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message > news:12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com... >>> John Byrns wrote: >>>> Why do so many of the Canadian AA5 & AA6 radios shown on this catalog >>>> page >>>> that was posted on the alt.binaries.pictures.radio newsgroup include >>>> the >>>> Long Wave band? I didn't realize LW was used in Canada in 1947. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> John Byrns >>>> >>>> >> >> "nesesu" wrote in message >> news:1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> Methinks that the ad guys were, perhaps, using 'long wave' to refer to >>> standard broadcast since the sets are said to receive "Short Wave and >>> Long Wave" with no mention of BC, yet the single band sets are called >>> "Standard Broadcast". >>> Given that, though, what about Newfoundland, which was just changing >>> from British to Canadian about then, did they use LW for broadcasting?? >>> I think I have the GE version of that RCA in the top left and it is BC >>> and SW. >>> In any case, the prices were frightful when the wages for the 'common >>> man' were in the $50-100/month range!! >>> >>> Neil S. >> >> I've no idea about John's Long Wave question, but the pricing question >> sure is astounding to me. As I mentioned in the original post, the RCA >> metal lunch box portable radio was $89.95 in this catalogue! Other pages >> show men's Kodiak 14" leather lace-up work boots for $13.95, and a Daisy >> 1000 shot air-rifle for $4.30, so where did they get off selling that >> radio for ninety dollars? >> > > Can I hazard a guess that the radio tax was figured into the price in the > catalog? Brenda, I'm not aware of any "radio tax" in Canada in this time period. Radios before WWII often carry a sticker that talks about $2, IIRC, but not at this point in time. Article: 336582 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:19:36 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: Re: Who posted about hairspray on old loudspeakers? References: <12ag4l2s6trg3c8@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <6JydnQ7izoLMtzXZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@bright.net> > I usually have that problem after Mexican Food. John Stone, Did you read this comment I posted to you in our other discussion? > > I started a new thread about hairspray to flush out comments about cone treatments for old radio speakers, but it seems to be going nowhere. Now I know what was flushed and where its going........Down the sewer!!! [LOL] Stewart > Article: 336583 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Crosley 517 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 16:37:09 -0400 Message-ID: <12agbjoqgt66gcc@news.supernews.com> References: <1151515680.732636.32150@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> "George H" wrote in message news:mfgfa29b4tq72cjbd2of3inogr54ji597u@4ax.com... > On 28 Jun 2006 10:28:00 -0700, "term" wrote: > >>I have a Crosley model 517 (Fiver). Does anyone have a speaker they can >>sell me, mine came without one. > > Anyone have a photo? http://radioatticarchives.com/images/c/Crosley_517_(1937)_Shinn.jpg Article: 336584 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: I Guess This Page Proves... From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44a5b988$0$9844$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <19336-44A5D515-175@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <12aefgf60ghgoe1@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:03:20 GMT In article <12aefgf60ghgoe1@corp.supernews.com>, yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net says... > > > >Snoopy's radios are kinda an abomination, Ken, admit it. I (and you) would >rather he sell them as he found them. > >John H. > > Is Snoopyradios Dennis in Orlando ... or is it Keith Roman from Apopka who used to sell under something like Scoobgz ?... Keith .. he is one true radio butcher... John k9uwa Article: 336585 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philo" References: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:00:31 -0500 Message-ID: > > > > > > I am recording the tape right now. > > I did download Cool Edit 96 it looks like a good app... > but if I have troubles with it I'll give ce2kmain a try > Well . it's all recoreded...and Cool Edit did the trick... I had to "slow down" the recording by about 6% and it sounds quite good. thanks for the suggesstion Article: 336586 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Relative value 1947 and now (filesize 190k) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:58:07 +0900 Message-ID: References: <12a163ej5penebc@news.supernews.com> <1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com> <12ag9omgv01b9b7@news.supernews.com> "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message news:12ag9omgv01b9b7@news.supernews.com... > "Brenda Ann" wrote in message > news:e87d4b$a4o$1@news2.kornet.net... >> >> "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message >> news:12aed8iptlvm45@news.supernews.com... >>>> John Byrns wrote: >>>>> Why do so many of the Canadian AA5 & AA6 radios shown on this catalog >>>>> page >>>>> that was posted on the alt.binaries.pictures.radio newsgroup include >>>>> the >>>>> Long Wave band? I didn't realize LW was used in Canada in 1947. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> John Byrns >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> "nesesu" wrote in message >>> news:1151780935.253073.324690@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>>> Methinks that the ad guys were, perhaps, using 'long wave' to refer to >>>> standard broadcast since the sets are said to receive "Short Wave and >>>> Long Wave" with no mention of BC, yet the single band sets are called >>>> "Standard Broadcast". >>>> Given that, though, what about Newfoundland, which was just changing >>>> from British to Canadian about then, did they use LW for broadcasting?? >>>> I think I have the GE version of that RCA in the top left and it is BC >>>> and SW. >>>> In any case, the prices were frightful when the wages for the 'common >>>> man' were in the $50-100/month range!! >>>> >>>> Neil S. >>> >>> I've no idea about John's Long Wave question, but the pricing question >>> sure is astounding to me. As I mentioned in the original post, the RCA >>> metal lunch box portable radio was $89.95 in this catalogue! Other >>> pages show men's Kodiak 14" leather lace-up work boots for $13.95, and a >>> Daisy 1000 shot air-rifle for $4.30, so where did they get off selling >>> that radio for ninety dollars? >>> >> >> Can I hazard a guess that the radio tax was figured into the price in the >> catalog? > > > Brenda, I'm not aware of any "radio tax" in Canada in this time period. > Radios before WWII often carry a sticker that talks about $2, IIRC, but > not at this point in time. I've owned radios from Canada from at least as late as the mid 1950's that had tax stamps on them. This includes car radios. And given that this is a mail order item, I would bet that the tax would have to be prepaid to insure that it got paid at all. Article: 336587 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "k35454" References: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Old answering machine Message-ID: <3oZpg.87874$4C3.63307@newsfe13.phx> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:19:46 -0700 "philo" wrote in message news:R82dnSwv9J-b3zXZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@athenet.net... > > > > > > I am recording the tape right now. > > I did download Cool Edit 96 it looks like a good app... > but if I have troubles with it I'll give ce2kmain a try > Well . it's all recoreded...and Cool Edit did the trick... I had to "slow down" the recording by about 6% and it sounds quite good. thanks for the suggesstion Where did you find Cool Edit 96 ? k35454. Article: 336588 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: STRANGE Intermittent! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:01:21 GMT I'm just about done with this one. The tone problem was a capacitor lead shorting against the volume control tap. Also as I replaced electrolytics, one of them made a noticeable difference in sound. It's all fine now, although the audio is still just a tad on the weak side. All voltages are fine, everything's normal, sound is clear, but it seems as though it could have just a little more volume. Then -- I noticed, this is one of those goofy Delco radios with the 40-ohm speaker. Actually it's a 4 ohm speaker with a built-in transformer on it. The restoration shop (Corvette specialist) told me the original speaker is also bad; I'll leave it up to them to find an original style. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:UMOpg.6194$EJ3.5535@trnddc06... > I'm sure all of you who have spent time working on old radios have seen > your share of really strange problems. Well, I just encountered a good > one. The good news is that I found the solution, but just to make you > guys think, I'll give you the symptoms now and the solution after awhile. > > This is a Delco wonderbar radio from a 1958 Corvette. This radio is > filthy dirty, but I can't blame anyone for wanting one of these fixed > up -- after all, there are some pretty stiff concours shows for Corvettes, > and these radios in ANY condition are worth a mint. > > The car is presently being restored. The customer told me the radio had > worked up till now, then suddenly quit working. I put it on the bench, > and it played fine. However it indeed needed some serious cleaning, and > there were a few paper capacitors around the volume control that I thought > would be a good idea to replace. > > After some cleaning and recapping, I turned the radio on again. Dead as a > doornail! No sound, no stations, dead. The radio was laying on its back > (on the heat sink), so I slanted it toward me to check a measurement. > Suddenly it came to life! I moved around the 12DV8 in its socket, and the > sound cut in and out. Aha! Dirty tube socket! > > At this point I checked all the tubes, three were weak, including the > 12DV8. After replacing them, spraying cleaner into the sockets, and moving > the tubes around for better contact, I turned the radio on again. Dead. > This time, wiggling the tubes made no difference whatsoever, it remained > dead. > > Now for the REALLY strange part -- I set the radio right-side-up, and it > began to play just fine. Again I set it on its back, and it went dead. > Set it right side up again, plays fine. Up-down-up-down, it works like a > mercury switch. The "break" is at about a 45 degree angle, which is where > I wiggled the tube the first time. In either position, tapping the PCB > with a tuning stick did nothing. Wiggling wires and hitting the radio did > nothing. Inspection of the heat sink and its related insulators showed > nothing. Resoldering every connection on the PCB did nothing. Yet every > time, if the radio sits upright, it goes dead, and if it sits normally it > plays. > > Troubleshooting even further, I've found no voltage changes when the radio > is moved. Everything remains perfectly normal. When dead, I get no audio > at the volume control, nothing in either IF, just dead. Oscillator > appears to be running. Antenna is fully inserted, and playing with the > connector did nothing. Bottom line, everything on the PCB is solid, and I > can get no intermittent blips or static by tapping or banging the heck out > of it. Yet, sitting right-side-up on the bench it plays fine, moving it > upright kills it. Go figure. > > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > Article: 336589 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Sealing Decals From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1151822074.018005.205370@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:17:08 GMT In article <1151822074.018005.205370@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, kenny33012@bellsouth.net says... > > >Do I simply apply lacquer over it? If it were one of my models > >Ken > In a word ... yes... give it a couple days to dry first.. if there is any moisture left under the decal.. it will blush white when you hit it with the clear lacquer... but yes apply a couple of protective coats of lacquer over the decals. John k9uwa Article: 336590 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: WTB: Grunow 7C Chassis model 750 and 751 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 01:29:09 GMT Looking for a Grunow 750 or 751 chassis... rusty junker is fine.. I need some coils from the chassis.. this is a Grunow General Household model 7C Chassis.. John k9uwa Article: 336591 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:55:38 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > "Scott W. Harvey" wrote: >> Search on the web for an old trial copy of Cool Edit 96. It has all the >> features of the full version available, just not all at once-you select >> the feature set from a list when you start the program. Yes, it is old, >> but it still works under all subsequent versions of windows. > > > ce2kmain1.exe is the trial version I have. > > That's Cool Edit 2000....which has all the features enabled in the trial version but "Save"....pretty useless. I found a trial copy of Cool Edit 96 on the web and have posted it here: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/cool96/c96setup.exe It is an excellent waveform editor...and it runs reasonably well even on very old hardware. -Scott Article: 336592 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:59:16 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> <3oZpg.87874$4C3.63307@newsfe13.phx> k35454 wrote: > "philo" wrote in message > news:R82dnSwv9J-b3zXZnZ2dnUVZ_oydnZ2d@athenet.net... > > >> >> >> I am recording the tape right now. >> >> I did download Cool Edit 96 it looks like a good app... >> but if I have troubles with it I'll give ce2kmain a try >> > > > > Well . it's all recoreded...and Cool Edit did the trick... > I had to "slow down" the recording by about 6% and it sounds quite good. > > > thanks for the suggesstion > > Where did you find Cool Edit 96 ? k35454. > > I plugged "Cool Edit 96" into google, and a site that had it was the second or third hit down. I have posted it here: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/cool96/c96setup.exe -Scott Article: 336593 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 00:14:56 -0500 Message-ID: <28261-44A8A7D0-534@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: Blueberry,female doggy,get your hind left foot out o' me arse! www.cattledog.com cuhulin Article: 336594 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: VTVM's Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:45:32 -0700 Message-ID: References: <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 18:55:33 GMT, "Weldon Nudlpudl" wrote: >On 1-Jul-2006, DeserTBoB wrote: > >> Bob Allen destroyed AT&T. > >Et maintenant les Français ont traîné le cadavre de Bell Labs à leur chambre à coucher. Mais oui, la compagnie française Alcatel possède maintenant Lucent et ce qui reste des Laboratoires. Quelle triste ! Quelle tragique ! Quelle... normale. J'ai travaillé avec Alcatel sur de nombreux ocassions. Ils ne pourraient pas faire un plus mauvais travail que cela qui a été fait par AT&T. Alors! Les crayons et les stylos marchent dans les Champs-Elysées avec les livres et les oeufs à la bibliothèque de Paris! C'est magnifique, ne c'est pas? Mais, Inspecteur Clouseau étudie et aura un rapport circonstancié. Charles Nudo, aka "CAINE" et 66fourdoor, est un grand morceau de merde. C'est vraiment! Article: 336595 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: FS-Hickok variable power supply-6.3/12.6 VAC/-100 to 400 VDC-$25 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:46:30 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1151666941.837328.13480@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1151668289.025933.209340@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1151755246.148440.131730@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151777678.560206.84930@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 1 Jul 2006 11:14:38 -0700, "RadioGary" wrote: >I think you're an asshole. Your opinion is quite correct, plus he's a petty thief and criminal. Article: 336596 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: FS-Hickok variable power supply-6.3/12.6 VAC/-100 to 400 VDC-$25 Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:47:47 -0700 Message-ID: <9siha25s4478v230ojlkmftuchlq6gamjl@4ax.com> References: <1151666941.837328.13480@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1151668289.025933.209340@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1151800673.566432.145250@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> On 1 Jul 2006 17:37:53 -0700, smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com wrote: >there can't be too much wrong with it, is has 2 bids already, and 20 >watchers- the damn thing is a steal at that price- a new one goes for >$500 or more on Ebay ANYTHING on eBay from 66fourdoor, aka Charlie Nudo of Drums, PA, is suspect. Article: 336597 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: (OT) Bell Labs [was Re: VTVM's] Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:49:46 -0700 Message-ID: <0uiha25n0l5pcch9v541e6nrqrt3ac1a9a@4ax.com> References: <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:14:51 GMT, "Carter, k8vt" wrote: >Did they at least spin off the little piece of the Labs that was to stay >in America to deal with their classified/government work? No, the whole former AT&T part of the Labs is now part of Alcatel. AT&T, through Bob Allen's bumbling and stupidity, lost most of their government/military contracts, including Sandia Labs, in the '90s. The "other" part of the Labs, "Bellcore," which was given to the RBOCs, is still a going concern and they do have numerous government contracts. Article: 336598 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philo" References: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 03:24:35 -0500 Message-ID: > > > > > It is an excellent waveform editor...and it runs reasonably well even on > very old hardware. > The copywrite date on CoolEdit96 is 1992-1996... so I'd hope it would run on older h/w 4 Article: 336599 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 06:47:55 -0500 Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... From: John Stone Message-ID: References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 7/3/06 5:39 AM, in article 1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, "gerryu21220@gmail.com" wrote: > > 8 Ohm woofer, 8 Ohm tweeter - not 16. Two 8 Ohm wired in series > results in 16 Ohm, then combine those in parallel with a 16 Ohm = 8 Ohm > final result. > >> >>> Question is, what capacitor and inductor combination should I use? >> >> What frequency do you want to cross them over at? > > I have no idea. That's the dilemma. >>> I found this chart, but it's rather confusing: >>> http://colomar.com/Shavano/crossover6db.html >> >> What's confusing? Just pick values from the chart. > > I don't know how to decide the crossover point. What point is typical > for vintage early 60s speakers? > Ok. Your calculations above are theoretically correct but utterly useless for the exercise. You can't just run drivers in series without a crossover. Now, regarding crossover point. We are talking about a 4" tweeter and an 8" woofer, both cheap. The cone area of the tweeter should be sufficient to allow a crossover point between 1-2khz. This also helps get the woofer to roll off before getting too directional or going into breakup. So, split the difference and choose, say, 1.5kHKz. Keep in mind that what your are doing here is very crude. It doesn't take into account the actual frequency response of the drivers--it assumes they are flat, and they probably aren't. Second, it assumes an exact 8 ohm impedance, which they will not have. Finally, it doesn't take into account the sensitivity difference between the 2 drivers. You can adjust this somewhat by using an L pad in front of the tweeter network. So as long as you're willing to accept these limitations, the above suggestion should work. Article: 336600 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:00:03 -0700 Message-ID: > I don't know how to decide the crossover point. > What point is typical for vintage early 60s speakers? There is no typical value. It depends on the frequency range each driver can cover well. It's worth noting that your original question (if I recall correctly) was about reducing the impedance to get more power out of the amp, which you mistakenly believed could be accomplished with a crossover. If you've got a 10" or 12" woofer, and a 3" or 4" tweeter, you might try 1kHz. But unless you measure them, you're not going to know. Article: 336601 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <12aeghnsg35cg4f@corp.supernews.com> <1151924712.864810.42450@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:01:48 -0700 Message-ID: <0rGdncnhJsLdmjTZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com> > Interestingly, I've found that several have *only* a capacitor (one in > particular is 1K MDF, if I recall). There's even a schematic pasted > inside which shows only a capacitor - no inductor. Quite puzzling > after reading about crossovers. Not at all. The woofer eventually rolls off, usually above 1kHz. If it rolls off at the "right" frequency, you don't need an inductor. Woofers are often designed to roll off at a lower frequency than they would "naturally", to eliminate the need for a coil. Article: 336602 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151879916.752940.278950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151925313.318353.166810@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 05:03:07 -0700 Message-ID: > That is what I am trying to accomplish. What I've been trying to > determine is what the crossover point should be, and whether it > should be 6 DB or 12 DB... It would usually be 6dB/8ve, as this is the cheapest way to do it. Article: 336603 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Sealing Decals Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:21:25 -0600 Message-ID: <19336-44A919D5-656@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> References: Put a coat of lacquer on the cabinet let that dry then apply the decals They only need to dry for a short while Then continue with the lacquer You will have the most trouble free finish using Deft lacquer . I was given some Mowhawk spray can lacquer and tried it one last time on an old oak mirror frame and once again it went bad .. should have known better .. you would not want this to happen on your decals unless you have replacement decals . The Mowhawk lacquer went on great and looks great till it dries the next day then it shows chalky residue in every corner and grain . I cant fix it , have to re-strip Article: 336604 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: I Guess This Page Proves... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:36:18 -0600 Message-ID: <19337-44A91D52-190@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> References: This was said... Snoopy's radios are kinda an abomination, Ken, admit it. I (and you) would rather he sell them as he found them. John H. Is Snoopyradios Dennis in Orlando ... or is it Keith Roman from Apopka who used to sell under something like Scoobgz ?... Keith .. he is one true radio butcher... John k9uwa Ok .. ok i suppose you could say that but are these radios any worse than receiving them as found ? you would have to refinish and recloth anyway ..... ??..... And i find a refinish way easier to remove :-) The only bad thing would be if he was stripping perfect original finishes . Chassis can always be reworked John glad you are getting your land fixed up . Article: 336605 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: great pushbutton radios (was Re: Lansing) Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:45:05 -0600 Message-ID: <19336-44A91F61-659@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> References: <21652-44A7EB91-424@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> I could use some consoles here . I fix & resell . To bad you guys are so far off . My neighbor is a long haul truck driver .. maybe i should find out if he drives past ``your house`` Article: 336606 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151879916.752940.278950@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151925313.318353.166810@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1151935377.305767.54650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:09:01 -0700 Message-ID: > 8ve??? octave Article: 336607 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 07:11:17 -0700 Message-ID: >> If you've got a 10" or 12" woofer, and a 3" or 4" tweeter, >> you might try 1kHz. But unless you measure them, >> you're not going to know. > How do you measure them? With a calibrated mic. I think you'd be better off grabbing a bunch of non-polarized electrolytic caps, in the range for a 500 Hz to 4kz crossover as given in the list, and experiment to see which you like. There is no way anyone can give you more than general advice at a distance. There is no way to "rationally" design a crossover for two unknown drivers. Article: 336608 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <44a5b988$0$9844$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <19336-44A5D515-175@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <12aefgf60ghgoe1@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: I Guess This Page Proves... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:22:54 -0500 Message-ID: <44a91ae6$0$9824$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:swWpg.811072$084.794085@attbi_s22... > Is Snoopyradios Dennis in Orlando ... or is it Keith Roman from Apopka who > used to sell under something like Scoobgz ?... Keith .. he is one true > radio butcher... The guy on the Forum who went to pick up a radio from Snoopyradios identified the older of a father-son team as Keith (now his son Steve does the work) but whether it's the same Keith I can't say. Seems pretty coincidental though. p -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 336609 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS) Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:47:59 GMT Message-ID: References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In article , "William Sommerwerck" wrote: >>> If you've got a 10" or 12" woofer, and a 3" or 4" tweeter, >>> you might try 1kHz. But unless you measure them, >>> you're not going to know. > >> How do you measure them? > >With a calibrated mic. > >I think you'd be better off grabbing a bunch of non-polarized electrolytic >caps, in the range for a 500 Hz to 4kz crossover as given in the list, and >experiment to see which you like. > >There is no way anyone can give you more than general advice at a distance. >There is no way to "rationally" design a crossover for two unknown drivers. It sounded like the poster was going to try 1- 8 inch 8 ohm and a tweeter. Just use 1 cap on the tweeter, but youu have to adjust the sensitivity with series parallel resistors, which also changes the crossover frequency. I would hook up the system to a pink noise source and make adjustments untill it sounded right, and had decent on and off axis response. There must be another amplifier sysytem to make experiments on!!?? greg Article: 336610 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Radio Rambler Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:53:34 -0400 Message-ID: <4gspbiF1o0t45U1@individual.net> References: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> Scott W. Harvey wrote: > Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> "Scott W. Harvey" wrote: >>> Search on the web for an old trial copy of Cool Edit 96. It has all the >>> features of the full version available, just not all at once-you select >>> the feature set from a list when you start the program. Yes, it is old, >>> but it still works under all subsequent versions of windows. >> >> >> ce2kmain1.exe is the trial version I have. >> >> > That's Cool Edit 2000....which has all the features enabled in the trial > version but "Save"....pretty useless. I found a trial copy of Cool Edit > 96 on the web and have posted it here: > > http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/cool96/c96setup.exe > > It is an excellent waveform editor...and it runs reasonably well even on > very old hardware. > > -Scott There is also a open source application called audacity. it is a unix/linux/bsd app, however, it has also been ported to windows. it's got more features than that older version of cool edit. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ -- The Shadow Knows Article: 336611 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Janssen Subject: Re: (OT) Bell Labs [was Re: VTVM's] References: <44a29c36$0$12765$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <0uiha25n0l5pcch9v541e6nrqrt3ac1a9a@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:11:08 GMT DeserTBoB wrote: >On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:14:51 GMT, "Carter, k8vt" >wrote: > > > >>Did they at least spin off the little piece of the Labs that was to stay >>in America to deal with their classified/government work? >> >> > >No, the whole former AT&T part of the Labs is now part of Alcatel. >AT&T, through Bob Allen's bumbling and stupidity, lost most of their >government/military contracts, including Sandia Labs, in the '90s. The >"other" part of the Labs, "Bellcore," which was given to the RBOCs, is >still a going concern and they do have numerous government contracts. > > And Bellcore is now Telcordia. Bill K7NOM Article: 336612 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:09:42 -0500 Message-ID: <21652-44A93336-573@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <4gspbiF1o0t45U1@individual.net> I used to listen to the Shadow (and that creaking door) on radio back in the 1940's and 1950's. cuhulin Article: 336613 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: I Guess This Page Proves... From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <44a5b988$0$9844$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <19336-44A5D515-175@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> <12aefgf60ghgoe1@corp.supernews.com> <44a91ae6$0$9824$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:23:54 GMT In article <44a91ae6$0$9824$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, pdieten@NyOaShPoAoM.com says... > > >The guy on the Forum who went to pick up a radio from Snoopyradios >identified the older of a father-son team as Keith (now his son Steve does >the work) but whether it's the same Keith I can't say. Seems pretty >coincidental though. > >p No Question about it Paul ... Keith Roman and his son Steve... Interesting story here... this was prior to me knowing who the guy was... I am at Renningers in Mt Dora, FL .. large room full of restored looking radios and junkeboxes.. this guy and his son and wife are setting there eatting their lunch ... there is a console there that I know a guy looking for that exact model... so I ask these people if they were the owners of the radios... yup they are ours.. so I tell the guy I know someone that wants this one particular radio... and I tried to ask the guy a couple of questions about his restoration on it and the refinish job on it... he got real arrogant and nasty as hell with me... I finally just walked away... amazing when someone is trying to pass a customer onto the guy to sell one of his radios and he wouldn't answer questions about it... later I found out from other Florida Collectors / Restorers just what a real jerk this guy is... and just how badly he messes up the chassis work on his radios... I saw two of them ...true butcher jobs! John k9uwa Article: 336614 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: LANSING THIS WEEKEND...SUNNY AND 78 DEGREES Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:49:28 -0400 Message-ID: RE: MARC "Extravaganza" in Lansing, Michigan Just looked at the weather for this weekend in Lansing for Thurs (set up night, no selling or display of items), Friday and Saturday. Looks to be sunny and highs of 78, lows down to 62 at night. Basically, perfect for the USA's largest antique radio swap meet! see www.michiganantiqueradio.org and click on Extravaganza. The host hotel is the Holiday Inn South. For rooms, call 517-694-8123 Mention MARC, I dont know if there are still special room rates available. I hear there are still rooms available in the area. The listing in the MARC brochure shows these places are nearby , the same exit 104 off I-96) Best Western 517- 393-5500 Days Inn 517-393-1650 Econolodge 517-394-7200 Ramada Ltd 517-694-0454 Super 8 517-393-8008 Regent Inn 517-393-2030 Michigan is suffering the worst economy in the nation, we have a one state recession here. Come visit and help us out! Plus, this show has the LARGEST quantity of stuff !!! All the biggest dealers come... Alan Jesperson, Bruce Maeger of Waves in NYC, lots of others. Expect to see the unexpected. the general public bring their sets in too, and often offer them for sale... you just never know what will show up. The socializing is extensive here too. The Friday nite "Radio Reception" is the best antique radio social event anywhere. As always, a HUGE display radios in the contest, and this year featurning Philco for its 100th anniversary. Should be fantastic. Mark Oppat MARC publicity volunteer. Article: 336615 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Old answering machine Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:32:00 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1m4da255fb76dc39sudebnnsngur7gha2s@4ax.com> <44A7F08B.B3FD046F@earthlink.net> <4gspbiF1o0t45U1@individual.net> On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:53:34 -0400, Radio Rambler wrote: >There is also a open source application called audacity. Recommended. I sometimes prefer its utility over ProTools. Article: 336616 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <44a7b3e4$0$31650$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> <%rPpg.1750$F63.591@trnddc05> <12afl12i5l6rq6a@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: From King Walker: Looking for an 'Elmer'... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 16:51:21 GMT We never did find out what city Elmer's supposed to live in. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12afl12i5l6rq6a@corp.supernews.com... > > "Bill Jeffrey" wrote in message > news:HkQpg.59344$3B.6368@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > > Gary - You're showing your age (too young!) > > Look at this eBay seller, for whom 1978 is an ancient time just after > World War 2 and Steve Martin's monster hit a complete mystery- > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280002373916 > > Willy was a young boy, he never thought he'd see > People stand in line just to see the boy king. > > King Tut, buried with a donkey, > Funky Tut, he's my favorite honky > > Born in Arizona, moved to Babalona > King Tut > > *&*&*&*&* > > John H. > Article: 336617 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:36:50 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 3 Jul 2006 03:39:42 -0700, "gerryu21220@gmail.com" wrote: >8 Ohm woofer, 8 Ohm tweeter - not 16. Two 8 Ohm wired in series >results in 16 Ohm, then combine those in parallel with a 16 Ohm = 8 Ohm >final result. Do NOT do this to midrange or tweeters. The phase shift through the voice coils will cause major comb filtering in the acoustic output, especially on tweeters. Many people can't tell the difference, but it's there, and awful sounding if you know what you're listening to. You can get away with it on woofers (and lower midranges, as well) but anything over about 4-5 KHz, you run the risk of masking entire small portions of the spectrum by running drivers in series. After all, a voice coil, as well as being a motor, is an inductor. If you must, run higher impedance drivers in parallel, such as two 16s for an 8 ohm load to the crossover. Also, when doing so, the higher L due to multiple drivers must be considered when calculating reactive elements in the crossover circuit. Article: 336618 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Caveat Lector" References: <4gspbiF1o0t45U1@individual.net> <21652-44A93336-573@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: The shadow and creaking doors Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:31:54 -0700 The creaking door was on "INNER SANCTUM MYSTERY" Best remembered for the opening and closing signature of the Creaking Door. Spine-tingling stories of man-eating plants, immortal killers, zombies, vampires, wolfmen, and witches were among the bone-chilling terrors heard every week. URL: http://www.bostonpete.com/isbn-0970331037.html And as for the shadow -- he just didn't get it He asked every week "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?" correct answer women know -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! wrote in message news:21652-44A93336-573@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net... >I used to listen to the Shadow (and that creaking door) on radio back in > the 1940's and 1950's. > cuhulin > Article: 336619 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: Subject: Re: LANSING THIS WEEKEND...SUNNY AND 78 DEGREES Message-ID: <2Ycqg.1674$Su4.80@newsfe24.lga> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:03:21 -0500 "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:LradnTQqHZuQ1zTZnZ2dnUVZ_qidnZ2d@comcast.com... > RE: MARC "Extravaganza" in Lansing, Michigan > > Just looked at the weather for this weekend in Lansing for Thurs (set up > night, no selling or display of items), Friday and Saturday. Looks to be > sunny and highs of 78, lows down to 62 at night. Basically, perfect for the > USA's largest antique radio swap meet! > > see www.michiganantiqueradio.org and click on Extravaganza. > > The host hotel is the Holiday Inn South. For rooms, call 517-694-8123 > Mention MARC, I dont know if there are still special room rates available. > > I hear there are still rooms available in the area. The listing in the > MARC brochure shows these places are nearby , the same exit 104 off I-96) > Best Western 517- 393-5500 > Days Inn 517-393-1650 > Econolodge 517-394-7200 > Ramada Ltd 517-694-0454 > Super 8 517-393-8008 > Regent Inn 517-393-2030 > > Michigan is suffering the worst economy in the nation, we have a one state > recession here. Come visit and help us out! Plus, this show has the > LARGEST quantity of stuff !!! All the biggest dealers come... Alan > Jesperson, Bruce Maeger of Waves in NYC, lots of others. Expect to see > the unexpected. > > the general public bring their sets in too, and often offer them for sale... > you just never know what will show up. > > The socializing is extensive here too. The Friday nite "Radio Reception" is > the best antique radio social event anywhere. As always, a HUGE display > radios in the contest, and this year featurning Philco for its 100th > anniversary. Should be fantastic. > > Mark Oppat > MARC publicity volunteer. > Hope you all enjoy it. I was going to take holiday time and drive from Winnipeg this year, but it didn't work out. That's one event I want to attend at least once, as much to meet some people on this NG as to shop. Maybe after retirement... Nelson Article: 336620 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Solution -- how to fix a spring! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 18:11:38 GMT Have you ever run into a problem where a little spring has been stretched out too much? You either search through some old cigar boxes looking for a suitable replacement, or else try to cut off a few turns in an attempt to get a little tension back into it. Well, I just found a way to actually FIX it! Today I've been working on a 66 Lincoln radio, which happens to be a Delco wonderbar. Yes it is -- that's a story for another time. Anyway, the return solenoid refused to work, and it's because the return switch didn't make contact. I removed and disassembled the switch, and the spring was badly stretched out. It was as though somebody grabbed one end and pulled hard. The spring was over twice the length it was supposed to be. By the way, we're talking about a very small spring, about 1/16th diameter and 1/4 inch long -- well, about 3/4 now. So here's the fix: I took the spring to the bench in the garage and put the end in a vise, so it stuck out horizontally. I then lit a propane torch. With one hand I grabbed a pair of needle nose, put it on the loose end of the spring, and tried to compress it. With the other hand I put the tip of the flame to the spring. Within a second, the spring easily compressed and stayed there! I moved the torch away and held the spring with the pliers for another minute to cool, then removed it from the vise. Perfect! I just saved the trouble of trying to locate another original Delco return switch! This one works perfectly now. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 336621 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <12aeghnsg35cg4f@corp.supernews.com> <1151924712.864810.42450@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <0rGdncnhJsLdmjTZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <1151949187.319360.232920@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:30:43 -0700 Message-ID: >> Not at all. The woofer eventually rolls off, usually above 1kHz. >> If it rolls off at the "right" frequency, you don't need an inductor. >> Woofers are often designed to roll off at a lower frequency than >> they would "naturally", to eliminate the need for a coil. > What does that do to the impedence, if anything? Nothing, usually. The effect is primarily mechanical. Article: 336622 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151949054.835842.274980@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:35:38 -0700 Message-ID: > Looks like that's what I may have to do. I'll try a few from the chart > on that website and see (hear) which I like best. I hope they are > inexpensive. Do they *have* to be (non-polarized) electrolytic? > Would mylar film or orange ceramic do? I recommended non-polarized electrolytic caps because they're cheaper than Mylars. (They used to be.) Ceramics don't have high-enough values to be useful. Article: 336623 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Ken Doyle" References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: '93 Mazda Cassette Deck - Advice Needed Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:30:04 -0400 Message-ID: If you can still get a belt kit for it, it might be worth taking it apart for a cleaning and service. If the belt kit is NLA, then forget it. Ken D. "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Not an antique but it does have a radio. :-] > > The tape transport seems to be stuck with a tape in it. It went IN but > not DOWN into the deck and it won't go the rest of the way IN nor will > it come OUT. This is an auto reverse, auto (electric) eject type (not > mechanical). It's a stock item, not aftermarket. It has been working > fine other than the fact that sometimes it goes into fast speed when > you put a tape in so the music is playing real fast. That appears > unrelated and is only occasional. This stuck thing happened suddenly. > > Anything simple I can do to fix it? Cleaning, lube, screw > tightening...or is it toast? The car has 100,000 on it so I'm not > looking to spend a lot of dough. Advice appreciated. > > Tox > Article: 336624 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:07:51 -0500 Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... From: John Stone Message-ID: References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151949054.835842.274980@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151956492.375621.155820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Forget Radio Shack Go to: www.madisound.com They will have what you need. Round off the values to the nearest one they sell. It will be plenty close. Buy the cheapest types of coils and caps they have. They will be plenty good for what you are doing And-cross the tweeter in lower than 3200 Hz. Try 1500 as a starting point. On 7/3/06 2:54 PM, in article 1151956492.375621.155820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com, "gerryu21220@gmail.com" wrote: > > William Sommerwerck wrote: > >> I recommended non-polarized electrolytic caps because they're cheaper than >> Mylars. (They used to be.) Ceramics don't have high-enough values to be >> useful. > > Thanks, but then there is the issue of such oddball values. I see only > a few non-polarized caps at Radio Shack, and none seem to match up with > the list. And they don't list "inductors", but rather "wirewound > resistors"... they also didn't list them with values of "mH". For > instance, if I wanted to try to crossover at 3200 Hz, the list calls > for 6.2 uf and 0.4 mH. If I have to combine two or more of each, why > not list the combinations using standard values that would get the > desired final value? Can someone point me to EXACTLY what I would need > to buy? > > Shavano even says: "First order crossovers are fairly simple to > implement." That statement is SO wrong... > Article: 336625 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1151923182.288353.76120@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1151935256.242784.265650@b68g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151949054.835842.274980@h44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1151956492.375621.155820@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:41:08 -0700 Message-ID: > Thanks, but then there is the issue of such oddball values. > I see only a few non-polarized caps at Radio Shack, and > none seem to match up with the list. And they don't list > "inductors", but rather "wirewound resistors"... they also > didn't list them with values of "mH". For instance, if I wanted > to try to crossover at 3200 Hz, the list calls for 6.2 uf and > 0.4 mH. If I have to combine two or more of each, why not > not list the combinations using standard values that would > get the desired final value? Can someone point me to > EXACTLY what I would need to buy? The values aren't critical. A change of 25% moves the crossover point by only 1/3 of an octave. Capacitors can be wired in parallel, and inductors in series, to get larger values. The values add directly. A wirewound resistor is not an inductor -- at least not intentionally. Again, experimentation will tell a hundred times more than trying to blindly follow a table. Remember, you're working with cheap, low-quality drivers -- an "exact" crossover is hardly necessary. Article: 336626 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" Subject: Question about output transformers Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 20:57:54 GMT I'm not too much into audio engineering and projecting, but, i'd like to understand something about better sounding radios. If the output transformer is so important in frequency response, knowing that a set works up to 7-9Khz.. if i change the original transformer with a modern one let's say a 20khz... will i improve audio performances or have i to modify the circuitry? -- Daniele ^___^ http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 336627 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Check out this $10,000 Zenith Trans-Oceanic Radio From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 21:52:36 GMT On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:06:46 GMT, Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2006 00:05:40 GMT, Rick Yerke wrote: > > >> Both $10,000 bidders have 0 feedback >> Good luck to the seller to try and collect the money when the auction >> ends. > > The seller is apparently overwhelmed by the fantasy of collection, as the bids have been allowed to stand -- and thus to block legitimate bids for smaller sums. At this point, I rather hope that the seller has already spent the $10,400. Given that he ignored advice to cancel those two bids, it is time to send Nelson-laughs to that seller: Article: 336628 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "graham" References: <1151666941.837328.13480@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1151668289.025933.209340@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1151955616.059540.307980@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FS-Hickok variable power supply-6.3/12.6 VAC/-100 to 400 VDC-$25 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:59:59 -0700 Message-ID: >> >> CAINE wrote: >> >> >> >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&item=140002919491&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 > > correction- make that 24 watchers, 4 bids, and $56 and climbing > > re: what IS wrong with RadioGary ? he's taking his frustrations out > on an inanimate piece of test equipment ! > > (laughter...) ... WOW, and if it goes up another $100.00 you will have equaled your total eBay sales in the last 30 days ... that might cover your listing fees ... ... BTW: how is that junk selling on AudioGon? Oh my gosh, it still all there and still you have NO feedback ... maybe the power supply sale will cover AudioGon fees too ... one can always hope! Article: 336629 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bret Ludwig" Subject: Re: Question about output transformers Date: 3 Jul 2006 15:51:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1151967094.040858.32690@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: toxcrusadr wrote: > Daniele wrote: > > > knowing that a set works up to 7-9Khz.. if i change the original > > transformer with a modern one let's say a 20khz... will i improve > > audio performances or have i to modify the circuitry? > > I am going to take a stab at this and someone tell me if I'm wrong. On > AM (broadcast), the bandwidth is only 10KHz, so that is the maximum > range of audio frequencies that can be carried. A transformer capable > of reproducing 20 KHz audio will have no signal to work with that high > anyway. One that is really good to 10 MIGHT make a difference IF the > station is actually broadcasting the information at those frequencies, > AND the rest of the radio has the bandwidth to handle it. My answer > is, biiiig "maybe." 10 kHz is a FCC limitation, but no commercial AM station an any sizable market puts out usable content at 10 kHz anymore. Indeed, Clear Channel has throttled back bandwidth to 5 or 6 khz on all its stations. Further no old radio has a speaker that works that high. If you want the full bandwidth from AM radio build or buy a tuner and feed it into a hi-fi system. But as a rule there isn't any there. Article: 336630 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Vibrator Powered Radios Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 19:20:48 -0400 Anyone have a feel for the current pulled by a 40's 6 volt radio and the later 12 volt sets? Ken Article: 336631 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Solution -- how to fix a spring! From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <1151950747.059179.18700@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <%Dhqg.89526$mF2.27055@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:21:31 GMT On Mon, 3 Jul 2006 18:19:07 GMT, nesesu wrote: > Usually, heating a > tempered spring removes all the temper and it becomes a coil of soft > iron wire. That could be addressed by quenching. Of course, one would have to either know a fair amount of metallurgy or engage in a lot of experimentation to quench properly. 'Twould be nice to see a folkwisdom assembled. Article: 336632 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Question about output transformers Date: 3 Jul 2006 16:40:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1151970020.581741.266450@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: I have found that in most pleasant sounding radios, there is a fortuitous combination of audio circuit, tuner circuit, audio transformer, output tubes, and speaker. I once had a 7 tube Admiral wood table set with a single 41 output and 8" e-d speaker. It sounded great to my old ears. Many of the Zeniths sound boomy because of their bass-boost circuits. They use OP xformers that are puny. OP xformers are one piece of the puzzle. I've often wondered what a big Zenith console would sound like if I installed a large HIFI OP xformer. Unfortunately, I think the higher freq noise would become more obvious. Keep in mind that the old speakers have lots of limitations and really don't sound that good compared to modern designs. Article: 336633 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: pgonshor@aol.com Subject: Atwater Kent 82 cathedral for trade Date: 3 Jul 2006 16:54:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1151970885.346844.302400@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> I have an excellent and working AK82 cathedral, one of the ones with the turned posts on the front. It is in really good shape. As I have another, I thought I'd see what kind of trade could be done before I put it on ebay. It would be nice to get something that I want to keep rather than get bucks for it. Any takers? I'm interested in lots of things and don't collect specific types of radios, just anything that strikes my fancy. Dave AK 82: original knobs, original grill cloth, nicely refinished in lacquer, no rust on the chassis, filters replaced, original speaker, original tube shields, original power tranny, small veneer repair on the right side (you have to look hard to see it), otherwise excellent veneer and finish. Article: 336634 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Vibrator Powered Radios Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 09:09:45 +0900 Message-ID: References: "Ken" wrote in message news:qDhqg.11961$f76.11678@dukeread06... > Anyone have a feel for the current pulled by a 40's 6 volt radio and the > later 12 volt sets? Ken > Judging solely from the value of the standard fuses for those radios, I would estimate a 6 volt radio pulled around 10 amps (14 amp fuse) and a 12 volt around 5 amps (7 amp fuse). Article: 336635 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim DeClercq Subject: Re: Cassette Decks: Where to get belts? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 00:19:40 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1151608684.933662.78210@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1151962006.396902.291040@a14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Would you believe Detroit Ball Bearing? Take a stretched belt to a place that sells bearings, and they will have an o-ring in just the right size. You will have to buy a pack of several, so one shelf in my refrigerator door is partly filled with open packs of o-rings. The last pack was bought to fix a clamshell record player, the second last to fix an 8-track player. Jim toxcrusadr writes: : Ken Doyle wrote: : > If you can still get a belt kit for it, it might be worth taking it apart : > for a cleaning and service. If the belt kit is NLA, then forget it. : Thanks to one and all for the advice. Where can you get belts for : cassette decks? Both auto and home. I also have some VCRs that seem : to work find other than making horrible noises, is this a belt slippage : problem? Where to you guys get your belts? (And don't say down at the : bar!) : Tox -- -- /"\ Jim DeClercq--jimd@panix.com--Sylvania, Ohio, USA \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! | X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature| / \ and postings | to help me spread! | . Article: 336636 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Vibrator Powered Radios Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 00:27:27 GMT I suppose you're referring to car radios, which nearly always used a 14 amp fuse in the circuit. Typical current draw when playing is around 7 amps, give or take. For a 12 volt radio you can pretty much cut that in half. They usually take a 7 amp fuse, and generally draw 3-4 amps when playing. Of course hybrids and transistor types draw considerably less. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Ken" wrote in message news:qDhqg.11961$f76.11678@dukeread06... > Anyone have a feel for the current pulled by a 40's 6 volt radio and the > later 12 volt sets? Ken > Article: 336637 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "vintagetubesales" Subject: Steinmetz Electronics inventory sold to Vintagetubesales.com Date: 3 Jul 2006 18:41:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1151977306.569206.206100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> A message to all interested in buying vacuum tubes at bargain prices. I have purchased the inventory of Steinmetz Electronics. An extensive tube inventory will be posted within 30 days. You may view my inventory at Vintagetubesales.com. Feel free to inquire at ewilmart@gmail.com for information before website is finished. The website should be up and running within 30 days. I would enjoy hearing suggestions, comments, and any advice you may have. I also have a quanity of military AN/USM-118B cardamatic tube testers and cards, original Sams Photofacts, Rider manuals and schematics. I will also be listing many radios, parts, etc. There will be constant website additions and updates, please check back often. Thanks, Ed Wilmart, Vintage Tube Sales. Article: 336638 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Type 640 Mercury Battery Replacement From: noone@telus.com References: <1151847426.789810.80160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 02:43:23 GMT On 2-Jul-2006, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: > PS: I forgot to mention that zinc-air batteries are mostly for light-drain > applications. They wouldn't be appropriate for higher-drain applications, such as radios. Some of these radios (such as the classic SR-Q460F) take four cells. That's $140 in adapters.> Being the crazy owner of way too many Micronic Rubys, Sonys and Rubins, and going broke buying 460 batteries, I found another alternative. A NiMH 100H cell (~2.7 volts). They do require an easily made adaptor for each battery, not as elaborate as the one mentioned in an earlier post. I'm using them with success in several radios - they have the advantage of being rechargeable too (in fact the USSR Rubins were originally supplied with an oddball ("unobtainium" of course) NiCad military battery. The Rubin radios came with a charger which is able to charge the NiMHs for all my radios. Happy to help out anyone interested if they drop me a line. Haggis. Article: 336639 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Radios wanted Portland Salem areas Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 20:47:44 -0600 Message-ID: <10260-44A9D6D0-196@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> I will be in the northwest sometime in the next 2 months in the Portland , Sellwood , Oregon City , Canby ,Aurora , Woodburn , Salem , and any reasonable surrounding areas of those .I will be on the 84 freeway from Idaho through to Portland and can stop along but not to far off that rout as time permits . If you have any radios for sale let me know . Looking for decent mostly unrestored project sets . Article: 336640 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: djep1@juno.com Subject: RCA K105 "C" band antenna Date: 3 Jul 2006 20:14:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1151982847.090296.304860@j8g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Does anyone have access to an RCA K105 console, and could you scribble up the dimensions for the "C" band antenna? As I recall, it's a mild steel rod bent into shape and stapled to the top of the cabinet... The set I am working on now is missing it, I figured I could "reformulate" a coat hanger into a suitable replacement... Jeff San Diego, Ca. Article: 336641 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: More Speaker questions... Date: 3 Jul 2006 20:22:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1151983366.094143.63050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1151806372.934369.234890@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > >> Not at all. The woofer eventually rolls off, usually above 1kHz. > >> If it rolls off at the "right" frequency, you don't need an inductor. > >> Woofers are often designed to roll off at a lower frequency than > >> they would "naturally", to eliminate the need for a coil. > > > What does that do to the impedence, if anything? > > Nothing, usually. The effect is primarily mechanical. An interesting and puzzli