Article: 337752 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:55:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1t-dnYXkpa6vMCDZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com> What a great tip. I love to reuse that kind of material. Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337753 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:24:53 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Message-ID: References: In article , "Mark Oppat" wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its > Summer, you get some deals now. I am curious, does anyone know the model number of this rare 12 tube set? Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 337754 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! Date: 18 Jul 2006 22:40:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1153287609.381673.171240@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida How do ya know he's not building them and this was a clever marketing campaign? Article: 337755 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 18 Jul 2006 22:41:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1153287684.883464.173890@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Phil Nelson wrote: > What a great tip. I love to reuse that kind of material. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html I love to reuse speakers and cabinets. Article: 337756 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve Reeves" Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! Date: 18 Jul 2006 23:06:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1153289192.721629.38740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Well when I was a kid if someone told me that you could take a frozen meal stick it in a metal box and in 3 minutes you would have a cooked meal too hot to eat..... I don't know...hmm...it just doesn't seem possible, but if it is I want to know how it works. How many amps it puts out and working distance. And the legal aspect of cooking your pets or co-workers electronic devices....nah their pulling our legs..right?? Be cool for old radios total isolation from mains. Slide a piece of cardboard in the signal path and you have a variable power supply. Regards, Steven "still wants his flyin car like the Jetsons" Reeves Article: 337757 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: Who's going to Bolingbrook? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:51:38 -0400 Message-ID: its been about 9 years since I was at Elgin (now Bolingbrook). I am thinking seriously of returning this year. Who else on this list will be there? I think I need to show the folks there that the Blais repro dials still exist! (Clint used to sell there). Mark Oppat Article: 337758 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> <1153289192.721629.38740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:42:09 GMT On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:06:32 GMT, Steve Reeves wrote: > I don't know...hmm...it just doesn't seem possible, but if it is I want > to know how it works. How many amps it puts out and working distance. > And the legal aspect of cooking your pets or co-workers electronic > devices....nah their pulling our legs..right?? Note the value given for the Availability field. Not "In Stock", "Out of Stock", or "This item ships separately". Article: 337759 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "ptrisha" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:46:38 -0400 Message-ID: <44e5cf806482a6514dba87ac337764e7@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and the guy never showed up. Article: 337760 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 19 Jul 2006 04:00:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1153306828.503807.283270@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> ptrisha wrote: > not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the > article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and > the guy never showed up. Never said it was a bad price figure, only one that a lot of folks here wouldn't mind having to spend. I wish you all the luck you can muster and stand and you are a lucky mackerel. Article: 337761 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Who's going to Bolingbrook? Date: 19 Jul 2006 04:02:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1153306928.399794.114680@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > its been about 9 years since I was at Elgin (now Bolingbrook). I am > thinking seriously of returning this year. Who else on this list will be > there? > > I think I need to show the folks there that the Blais repro dials still > exist! (Clint used to sell there). > > Mark Oppat You should become a travel agent. Article: 337762 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 19 Jul 2006 04:45:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1153309506.805042.145420@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> ptrisha wrote: > not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the > article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and > the guy never showed up. Your asking price is just fine. But the ultimate price will be determined by the actual condition of the radio... not so much the electronics as the cosmetics. A site for pictures would be useful. I admit to being tempted.... but not sight-unseen. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337763 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: 19 Jul 2006 04:54:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1153310075.241767.52650@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Hagstar wrote: > Hell, 38-116 and 37-116's both went for under well $100- each today too. > But my friend in NJ was not psyched about driving 200 miles and borrowing a > truck and holding this 2nd one 'til Kutztown for me- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&item=270006735157 > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/PHILCO-ANTIQUE-TUBE-RADIO-38-116_W0QQitemZ110007718950QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38034 > > John H. wow!....for 125.00 a person could have owned 2 of the most awesome floor radios ever mass produced. the 38-116 appears to be near mint too. i gotta get me a shipping contact up there. Article: 337764 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <1gpvg.78$5H.9@dukeread06> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:07:08 -0400 Tesla would be proud. Ken Michael A. Terrell wrote: > http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/wec.shtml > > Article: 337765 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Who's going to Bolingbrook? Date: 19 Jul 2006 05:29:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153312150.677265.67630@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > its been about 9 years since I was at Elgin (now Bolingbrook). I am > thinking seriously of returning this year. Who else on this list will be > there? > > I think I need to show the folks there that the Blais repro dials still > exist! (Clint used to sell there). > > Mark Oppat In my neighborhood so most likely this is a go for me. Who could miss Bossman's Bargain Pit? LOL Article: 337766 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <44e5cf806482a6514dba87ac337764e7@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:38:04 -0400 "ptrisha" wrote in message news:44e5cf806482a6514dba87ac337764e7@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the > article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and > the guy never showed up. Did you give him your address ? Syl Article: 337767 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" Subject: Voltage on the chassis Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:48:40 GMT I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap off of the chassis. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/298/M0001298.htm Further testing reveled: * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power cord is connected to line. * About 20 volts when plug is reversed. * Current through a 100,000 ohm resistor was 73 ma max. What I did: * Reduced the bypass cap to .01 (spec) and reducing the chassis volts to 103. * "Phased" the primary of the transformer for minimal leakage voltage on chassis. That is trying the line side of the plug on both sides of the primary coil and picking the lowest voltage (about 13 volts). * Connecting the RF bypass cap to the neutral side of the line. * Installed a polarized line plug resulting in 2 volts on the chassis to ground. * Instructed the owner about the chassis leakage voltage and recommended the ground wire be clipped to ground to bleed off any residual voltages. Now all of this does not sit well with me. Any other suggestions? Paul. Article: 337768 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 19 Jul 2006 05:50:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> ptrisha wrote: > not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the > article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and > the guy never showed up. so you sold the radio for 2000.00 a couple of years ago...now you think it is worth 7500.00......and you will sell it for 3500.00? where is the radio located? Article: 337769 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: sparton bluebird From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:14:01 GMT In article <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, eb062559@aol.com says... > > > >ptrisha wrote: >> not being a collector, i have no idea what to ask for. and perhaps the >> article i read was phony. i was offered 2000. a couple of years ago and >> the guy never showed up. > >so you sold the radio for 2000.00 a couple of years ago...now you think >it is worth 7500.00......and you will sell it for 3500.00? where is >the radio located? > Eddie she said: "I am located in west haven, ct" pretty good drive >from Carolinas... John k9uwa Article: 337770 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: 19 Jul 2006 06:25:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1153315506.560812.89310@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: Paul P wrote: > I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: > http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap > off of the chassis. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/298/M0001298.htm > Further testing reveled: > > * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power > cord is connected to line. > * About 20 volts when plug is reversed. > * Current through a 100,000 ohm resistor was 73 ma max. > > What I did: > * Reduced the bypass cap to .01 (spec) and reducing the chassis volts to > 103. > * "Phased" the primary of the transformer for minimal leakage voltage on > chassis. That is trying the line side of the plug on both sides of the > primary coil and picking the lowest voltage (about 13 volts). > * Connecting the RF bypass cap to the neutral side of the line. > * Installed a polarized line plug resulting in 2 volts on the chassis to > ground. > * Instructed the owner about the chassis leakage voltage and recommended the > ground wire be clipped to ground to bleed off any residual voltages. > > Now all of this does not sit well with me. Any other suggestions? > > Paul. Just a wild guess, but maybe the on/off switch is somehow getting grounded to chassis. Another wild guess, primary windings of transformer shorted to laminations. Article: 337771 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Northe Osbrink Subject: Re: Another frustrating one References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:25:19 GMT Gary, Gary Tayman wrote: > Okay guys, I've got another one that's got my goat. > > This is an F-1440, radio from a 37 Ford. > Many years ago I did some work on the radio in my father's 1938 Ford. Is this the radio with all the circuitry and speaker in a metal box with a separate tuning head and separate tone control (one position market St. Car -- I believe that was some kind of noise suppression for when you were driving under street car wires)? If you haven't alrady returned the radio to the owner, would it be possible to take a picture and post it in the binaries -- I'd love to see it. Northe Article: 337772 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: RIDER VOLUMES 1-23 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:30:51 -0500 Message-ID: <23743-44BE421B-16@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> COMPLETE SET. GOOD SHAPE. $400.00 INCLUDING SHIPPING. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337773 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "ptrisha" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:48:40 -0400 Message-ID: <022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> never said my radio was worth 7800. i don't know if its worth 3500. i'm not a collector. i think i'll take my ball and go home. you guys are brutal and syl, your an idiot. Article: 337774 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Eddie Brimer" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 19 Jul 2006 07:48:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1153320512.237174.239850@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> ptrisha wrote: > never said my radio was worth 7800. i don't know if its worth 3500. i'm not > a collector. i think i'll take my ball and go home. you guys are brutal and > syl, your an idiot. somehow i thought you might. Article: 337775 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "zek" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 19 Jul 2006 07:49:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1153320554.524868.204020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Steven wrote: > John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > > In article <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > > cadyc@mchsi.com says... > > > > > > > > >No excuse for bad packing folks! > > > > > >Tox > > > > > >PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a > > >breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 > > > > > > > Jean visited today our local warehouse for one of the local > > appliance / furniture stores .. they are happy to also give > > us cardboard as well as all the other stuff .. yes they have > > a recycler that picks it up ... but they have to PAY him for > > hauling the stuff away.... > > > > will be packing up a console cabinet this evening ... real close > > to totally free packing materials.. > > > > Anytime we get low on cardboard and packing we visit the same > > warehouse .. > > > > > > JOhn k9uwa > > Used bubble wrap is starting to become scarcer here, as is > polyfoam/vinyl wrap and styrofoam sheeting. Methinks my po'folk > brethren are either catching on or less of it is being used and more > judiciously. When really nice stereos start to become cheaper than > shipping, you might expect that. You have a great setup. I have received a bunch of damaged goods from people who bubble wrap, then place it in around foam peanuts. This is so often true of many packers. They think the item will stay in the middle. They think heavy equipment with sharp corners will not penetrate the materials. I always make sure there is something to keep it in the middle, usually cardboard cutouts and taped to the bubble wrap. I also double protect corners of equipment in case all else fails. I received a really big box with a birdbath from MECI. Double boxed. It had some really neat paper like material. Really sturdy. A roll of this stuff would be great to have. Unfortunately the birdbath was damaged by carrier. It was a poor pack job. On one area of the birdbath there was little protection even though they took a bunch of time and a lot of material and little thought, to package it. I Plumbers Gooped it back into shape allthough the solar cell fountain didn't work. greg Article: 337776 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: 19 Jul 2006 08:01:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1153321262.284351.289890@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: Paul, ther is a normal 'leakage' from line to chassis through the RF bypass capacitor and other stray capacitances such as the power transformer primary winding, but at 60Hz these should be less than, IIRC, 3 to 5 mA. There is a 'body model' of series parallel resistance and capacitance that has been mentioned here several times in the past, and it should be connected from chassis to earth and the AC voltage measured across that to see if the leakage is excessive. There is some fault in your measurement since to see 73mA on 100,000 ohms you would need 7300V !!! Measure the DC resistance from both sides of the line cord [connected together] to chassis to see if there is a 'galvanic' connection. The preferred method is to use a capacitor tester like the Heath C-3 types set to measure leakage at 600V. There should be next to none. Neil S. Paul P wrote: > I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: > http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap > off of the chassis. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/298/M0001298.htm > Further testing reveled: > > * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power > cord is connected to line. > * About 20 volts when plug is reversed. > * Current through a 100,000 ohm resistor was 73 ma max. > > What I did: > * Reduced the bypass cap to .01 (spec) and reducing the chassis volts to > 103. > * "Phased" the primary of the transformer for minimal leakage voltage on > chassis. That is trying the line side of the plug on both sides of the > primary coil and picking the lowest voltage (about 13 volts). > * Connecting the RF bypass cap to the neutral side of the line. > * Installed a polarized line plug resulting in 2 volts on the chassis to > ground. > * Instructed the owner about the chassis leakage voltage and recommended the > ground wire be clipped to ground to bleed off any residual voltages. > > Now all of this does not sit well with me. Any other suggestions? > > Paul. Article: 337777 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12bra3gd2c5orb8@corp.supernews.com> <1153310075.241767.52650@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:13:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4IednQ21pq3F1iPZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com> Eddie, you could also go to Kutztown, there's a ton of radios there. Load up your van. Sept 22-23. Free on site camping... Info at www.renningers.com/radio not that you'll get this kind of deal, but you will see a LOT more radios, some pretty rare stuff. PA is the BEST state in the USA for higher end all-wave radios. Mark Oppat "Eddie Brimer" wrote in message news:1153310075.241767.52650@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Hagstar wrote: > > Hell, 38-116 and 37-116's both went for under well $100- each today too. > > But my friend in NJ was not psyched about driving 200 miles and borrowing a > > truck and holding this 2nd one 'til Kutztown for me- > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=017&item=270006735157 > > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/PHILCO-ANTIQUE-TUBE-RADIO-38-116_W0QQitemZ110007718950QQihZ001QQcategoryZ38034 > > > > John H. > > wow!....for 125.00 a person could have owned 2 of the most awesome > floor radios ever mass produced. the 38-116 appears to be near mint > too. i gotta get me a shipping contact up there. > > Article: 337778 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis References: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:16:18 -0400 That bypass cap from line to chassis is enough to give you a jolt. Won't hurt you, but might make you hurt yourself. Ken Paul P wrote: > I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: > http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap > off of the chassis. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/298/M0001298.htm > Further testing reveled: > > * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power > cord is connected to line. > * About 20 volts when plug is reversed. > * Current through a 100,000 ohm resistor was 73 ma max. > > What I did: > * Reduced the bypass cap to .01 (spec) and reducing the chassis volts to > 103. > * "Phased" the primary of the transformer for minimal leakage voltage on > chassis. That is trying the line side of the plug on both sides of the > primary coil and picking the lowest voltage (about 13 volts). > * Connecting the RF bypass cap to the neutral side of the line. > * Installed a polarized line plug resulting in 2 volts on the chassis to > ground. > * Instructed the owner about the chassis leakage voltage and recommended the > ground wire be clipped to ground to bleed off any residual voltages. > > Now all of this does not sit well with me. Any other suggestions? > > Paul. > > Article: 337779 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1t-dnYXkpa6vMCDZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:21:22 -0500 Phil Nelson wrote: > What a great tip. I love to reuse that kind of material. > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > I once found myself in Hollywood, needing to get a quantity of test equipment back to Tennessee. I had traveled light (by plane) to CA. A helpful friend advised me to check the dumpsters up and down the alley parallel to Melrose Ave. (I was on foot.) With the addition of a roll of duct tape from a local hardware, I was able to scrounge enough decent packing material--in less than an hour--to pack up a scope, distortion analyzer, AC voltmeter, AF generator, plus odds & ends. I put it all in baggage (pre 9/11). It all survived in perfect shape...no extra baggage charge. I think the point is that you can find cast-off packing material almost anywhere if you look. Article: 337780 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153276496.776663.194540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1153320554.524868.204020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 11:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: <44be5181$0$3677$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "zek" wrote in message news:1153320554.524868.204020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Steven wrote: >> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: >> > In article <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, >> > cadyc@mchsi.com says... >> > > >> > > >> > >No excuse for bad packing folks! >> > > >> > >Tox >> > > >> > >PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a >> > >breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 >> > > >> > >> > Jean visited today our local warehouse for one of the local >> > appliance / furniture stores .. they are happy to also give >> > us cardboard as well as all the other stuff .. yes they have >> > a recycler that picks it up ... but they have to PAY him for >> > hauling the stuff away.... >> > >> > will be packing up a console cabinet this evening ... real close >> > to totally free packing materials.. >> > >> > Anytime we get low on cardboard and packing we visit the same >> > warehouse .. >> > >> > >> > JOhn k9uwa >> >> Used bubble wrap is starting to become scarcer here, as is >> polyfoam/vinyl wrap and styrofoam sheeting. Methinks my po'folk >> brethren are either catching on or less of it is being used and more >> judiciously. When really nice stereos start to become cheaper than >> shipping, you might expect that. You have a great setup. > > I have received a bunch of damaged goods from people who bubble wrap, > then > place it in around foam peanuts. This is so often true of many packers. > They think the item will stay in the middle. They think heavy equipment > with sharp corners will not penetrate the materials. I always make sure > there is something to keep it in the middle, usually cardboard cutouts > and taped to the bubble wrap. I also double protect corners of > equipment in case all else fails. I received a really big box with a > birdbath from MECI. Double boxed. It had some really neat paper like > material. Really sturdy. A roll of this stuff would be great to have. > Unfortunately the birdbath was damaged by carrier. It was a poor pack > job. On one area of the birdbath there was little protection even > though they took a bunch of time and a lot of material and little > thought, to package it. I Plumbers Gooped it back into shape allthough > the solar cell fountain didn't work. > > greg > Someone gave me 3 big garbage bags full of bubble wrap. I also save peanuts and other packing from packages - inbound. For more needs, I go to the local Appliance dealer and get all I need - boxes, foam, cardboard (thick), some bubble wrap if needed, etc. It's all FREE.......... So, the original poster's remark is true - NO excuse for poor packing. There is ALWAYS somewhere willing to give this stuff up. Article: 337781 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: I HAVE THE FOLLOWING GREENLEE CHASSIS PUNCHES AVAILABLE. Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 12:02:16 -0500 Message-ID: <9476-44BE6598-86@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> 2 1/4" ROUND $15.00 1 3/4" " " 1 1/2 " " 1 3/8 " " 1 3/16 " " 1 1/4 " " 1 1/8 " " 1 " " 7/8 " $10.00 3/4 " " 3/4 " " 5/8 " " 5/8 " " 1/2 " " 3/4" SQUARE $15.00 2 -1/4" BOLTS $5.00 4 - 3/8" BOLTS " 2 - 3/8" BALL BEARING $10.00 CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337782 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153320554.524868.204020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:15:05 GMT In article <1153320554.524868.204020@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>, zekor@comcast.net says... > > > >usually cardboard cutouts and taped to the bubble wrap. I also double >protect corners of equipment in case all else fails. >greg > The Appliance Stores and Furniture Stores have all sorts of these heavy reinforced corner type stuff available for free... as well as lots of hard strofoam corner and other forms.. an old steak knife makes those styrofoam items into the shapes you need... yup it makes a mess all over the floor to clean up when your done packing John k9uwa Article: 337783 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Message-ID: <_cuvg.99058$8W2.1632401@wagner.videotron.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:45:45 -0400 "ptrisha" wrote in message news:022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > never said my radio was worth 7800. i don't know if its worth 3500. i'm > not > a collector. i think i'll take my ball and go home. you guys are brutal > and > syl, your an idiot. Idiot ? You are doing projection. Brutal ? You ain't see what brutal is. Wait 'till you post that "radio of yours" on eBay. Funny, the outcome is just like I expected. We'll never see a single picture of the elusive "7500$ radio" and I have a hunch we won't see it on eBay either... What happened to the guy in New-Foundland who found a Peach Nocturne in an old Hotel there. Anyone remember him ? He left mad also...We never got to see the radio either... Darn, 'we bunch of apes...And those fly-bys totally lack a sense of humour don't they ? I know someone who owns a rare Pancake Zenith (really)...Still for sale and he HAS pcitures... Syl Article: 337784 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153313421.444793.119310@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Message-ID: <3quvg.99060$8W2.1632774@wagner.videotron.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:59:41 -0400 "ptrisha" wrote in message news:022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > never said my radio was worth 7800. i don't know if its worth 3500. i'm > not > a collector. i think i'll take my ball and go home. you guys are brutal > and > syl, your an idiot. I forgo`t... http://cgi.ebay.com/RESTORED-SPARTON-BLUEBIRD-MIRROR-RADIO_W0QQitemZ250008501623 This one, fully restored, sold for less than 3000.00$, but I "think" Oh, for a good laugh, read the answer to a question from the seller. Here's a quote: "my buddy bruce,who does all my repairs was stumped making this one play. the set would not detect,but showed a great deal of b+. " Oooookayyy.... It's a bloody 4 tubes set ! Start looking for a real tech who isn't "stumped" on such a simple circuit... Syl, the brutal idiot. Article: 337785 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:13:50 -0500 Message-ID: <5688-44BE846E-42@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: Some good tips there.Also,if you check up and down your street on trash pick up days,you might find some packaging material there sometimes. cuhulin Article: 337786 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: References: Further testing reveled:>> * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power ***It may not be original and some purist wouldn't do it but I always remove the line-to-gnd cap or rewire it so that the cap is on the neutral side; then I put on a polarized plug. I always leave a note inside a radio when I have done this for any future tech and anyone who might want to revert to a non-polarized plug. I got tired of being jolted; the polarized plug installation and cap lifting is part of all of my pre-plugin process. -Pete O Article: 337787 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! Message-ID: References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> <1153289192.721629.38740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:42:52 GMT On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:42:09 GMT, "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," wrote: >On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:06:32 GMT, Steve Reeves wrote: > >> I don't know...hmm...it just doesn't seem possible, but if it is I want >> to know how it works. How many amps it puts out and working distance. >> And the legal aspect of cooking your pets or co-workers electronic >> devices....nah their pulling our legs..right?? > >Note the value given for the Availability field. Not "In Stock", "Out of Stock", or "This item ships separately". Click on "Add to Cart" Article: 337788 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 19 Jul 2006 13:08:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1153339725.790870.59990@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> jakdedert wrote: > A helpful friend advised me to check the dumpsters up and down the alley > parallel to Melrose Ave. > I know there's a Hollywood joke here somewhere. Or ten. I'll start: Did you find any liposuction fat? I guess that wouldn't make real good packing material. Too runny. Tox Article: 337789 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:12:51 -0400 Message-ID: <12bt4ih1sh45l80@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bra3gd2c5orb8@corp.supernews.com> I DIDN'T get EITHER of those Philcos, that's what I meant. I could not see making my friend drive when he had no vehicle big enough for a 38-116. I noticed it too late to ask the seller how long they could hold it. John H. Article: 337790 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:15:47 -0400 Message-ID: <12bt4o15p8kt01d@corp.supernews.com> References: "Paul P" wrote in message news:ISpvg.4606$RV.4377@trnddc08... >I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: >http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap >off of the chassis. ALL of my radios zap me off the chassis. What am I missing here? That's the way they are made. That's why I use only AC rated .01 mfd caps because UL believes this is unlikely to kill anyone. John H. Article: 337791 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Reverse Murphy's Law Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:25:11 -0400 Message-ID: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> I Needed a Power Tranny for a 12 Tube Zenith 790 http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/286/M0025286.pdf And I got this one on the 'Bay- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330005388927 It's a horz. mount and about the right size was listed as having a 2.5 V. 9 amp winding which I figured would be enough since I already bought a 6 amp 2.5 V. filament tranny new to put in in tandem. I had looked and looked for a tranny with 13 amps to handle the Zenith's TWELVE 50 series tubes. Most went for really high prices. It arrived today and the seller didn't notice on the spec sheet and in fact there is an additional center tapped 2.5 V. winding at 4.5 amps. SO, I it turns out to be a new, direct replacement (except for the spare 6.3 volt winding) with a total of 13.5 amps to run all those bottles including the pair of 59 outputs. John H. Article: 337792 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> <1153289192.721629.38740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:29:59 GMT On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:42:52 GMT, Brian McAllister wrote: >>> I don't know...hmm...it just doesn't seem possible, but if it is I want >>> to know how it works. How many amps it puts out and working distance. >>> And the legal aspect of cooking your pets or co-workers electronic >>> devices....nah their pulling our legs..right?? >> >> Note the value given for the Availability field. Not "In Stock", "Out of Stock", or "This item ships separately". > > Click on "Add to Cart" Well, QED. I actually thought that the most amusing give-away was the presence of an on-off switch on the receiver. Article: 337793 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Reverse Murphy's Law From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <4xxvg.149896$mF2.59867@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:31:44 GMT On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:25:11 GMT, Hagstar wrote: > SO, I it > turns out to be a new, direct replacement (except for the spare 6.3 volt > winding) with a total of 13.5 amps to run all those bottles including the > pair of 59 outputs. So now you do the happy tranny dance. Article: 337794 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Superhet Subject: Re: ALL BUT FORGOTTEN References: <21080-44BC0326-334@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: <2Exvg.413$uH6.237@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:39:10 GMT I made my own from Bill's idea from a Exacto tool handle. See pic on binaries. Thanks to Bill for all he has done for the hobby and I wish him well. Bill Turner wrote: > SEVERAL YEARS AGO I USED LEFT OVER LENGTHS OF DOWEL FROM MAKNG LOOP > ANTENNAS AS THE HANDLE FOR A TIME SAVER USED TO COIL THE ENDS A > CAPACITORS BEFORE INSTALLING THEM ON THE STUB LEFT OF THE OLD CAPACITOR. > TODAY I RECEIVED AN ORDER FOR DIAL COVER KIT, THE GENTLEMAN WAS KIND > ENOUGH TO STATE THAT HE STILL USES IT AND THAT IT WAS A VERY HELPFUL > GADGET. > > > CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com > Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. > Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. > > > > Article: 337795 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: Subject: Re: Who's going to Bolingbrook? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:13:37 -0500 Message-ID: <44bea158$0$29396$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Gonna make my first trip there this year, I think, unless life interferes as it has a way of doing lately......Too close by to not go anymore. paul "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:A8KdnUIsQe5JSCDZnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@comcast.com... > its been about 9 years since I was at Elgin (now Bolingbrook). I am > thinking seriously of returning this year. Who else on this list will be > there? > > I think I need to show the folks there that the Blais repro dials still > exist! (Clint used to sell there). > > Mark Oppat > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337796 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Uncle Peter" References: Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:46:43 -0400 "Paul P" wrote in message news:ISpvg.4606$RV.4377@trnddc08... >I recently restored an Atwater Kent 206 chassis seen here: >http://www.ppinyot.com/new_page_1.htm . When I fired this up I got a zap >off of the chassis. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/298/M0001298.htm >Further testing reveled: > > * 117 vac on the chassis to ground when the bypass cap side of the power > cord is connected to line. > * About 20 volts when plug is reversed. > * Current through a 100,000 ohm resistor was 73 ma max. > > What I did: > * Reduced the bypass cap to .01 (spec) and reducing the chassis volts to > 103. > * "Phased" the primary of the transformer for minimal leakage voltage on > chassis. That is trying the line side of the plug on both sides of the > primary coil and picking the lowest voltage (about 13 volts). > * Connecting the RF bypass cap to the neutral side of the line. > * Installed a polarized line plug resulting in 2 volts on the chassis to > ground. > * Instructed the owner about the chassis leakage voltage and recommended > the ground wire be clipped to ground to bleed off any residual voltages. > > Now all of this does not sit well with me. Any other suggestions? > > Paul. Yes. WHAT leakage current do you measure with NO capacitor? "Phasing" the AC line to lessen the leakage current is a darn good indicator of either resistive leakage between the primary winding to the chassis, OR, even it is even possible to have stray leakage to other windings on the transformer. 73 mA is enough to drop you dead. 5 mA can be deadly. Do some other measurements to find where the problem really is. BTW, the suggestion about using a polarized line cord and having the bypass capacitor between neutral and ground is excellent advice... IF the transformer is good. Pete Article: 337797 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Reverse Murphy's Law Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:15:59 -0400 Message-ID: <12btf9t205dchc0@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com... >I Needed a Power Tranny for a 12 Tube Zenith 790 Oops, 770, sorry. John H. Article: 337798 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Reverse Murphy's Law Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: <12btfdh3g5b362c@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> PSS- The extra 2.5 volt winding IS in the ad copy but it's confusing. John H. Article: 337799 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:19:27 -0400 Message-ID: <12btfgcrgfpue7c@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bt4o15p8kt01d@corp.supernews.com> I see, it's the MILLIAMP part. Got it. John H. Article: 337800 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 19 Jul 2006 16:48:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1153352935.144884.302670@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Syl wrote: > "ptrisha" wrote in message > news:022e80eff6d9e2942b027b3ca0839444@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com... > > never said my radio was worth 7800. i don't know if its worth 3500. i'm > > not > > a collector. i think i'll take my ball and go home. you guys are brutal > > and > > syl, your an idiot. > > I forgo`t... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/RESTORED-SPARTON-BLUEBIRD-MIRROR-RADIO_W0QQitemZ250008501623 > > This one, fully restored, sold for less than 3000.00$, but I "think" > > Oh, for a good laugh, read the answer to a question from the seller. Here's > a quote: > > "my buddy bruce,who does all my repairs was stumped making this one play. > the set would not detect,but showed a great deal of b+. " Oooookayyy.... > > It's a bloody 4 tubes set ! Start looking for a real tech who isn't > "stumped" on such a simple circuit... > > Syl, the brutal idiot. I would have taken Zantac before eating the poster. Article: 337801 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: 19 Jul 2006 17:03:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1153353811.879589.226170@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its > Summer, you get some deals now. > > Mark Oppat It's 104 lately. I do everything that doesn't involve being driven at night, so yes I have been. Article: 337802 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This Detrola 12 tube went WAY cheap! Date: 19 Jul 2006 17:06:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1153353965.838839.115140@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: John Byrns wrote: > In article , "Mark Oppat" > wrote: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=003&item=130005126389&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > > > you guys sleeping lately??? this was a rare set, 12 tube even. its > > Summer, you get some deals now. > > I am curious, does anyone know the model number of this rare 12 tube set? No, but I know "Is Anybody Goin' To San Antone?"... Article: 337803 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 19 Jul 2006 17:08:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1153354091.258760.124160@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> toxcrusadr wrote: > jakdedert wrote: > > A helpful friend advised me to check the dumpsters up and down the alley > > parallel to Melrose Ave. > > > > I know there's a Hollywood joke here somewhere. Or ten. > > I'll start: > > Did you find any liposuction fat? I guess that wouldn't make real good > packing material. Too runny. > > Tox Did you find Britney Spears' credibility? Article: 337804 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:54:15 -0400 Message-ID: <12btl24svfido66@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bt4o15p8kt01d@corp.supernews.com> <44bec6c6$0$950$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> "Martin Crossley" wrote in message news:44bec6c6$0$950$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net... > > (I write from a British perspective-translate as necessary.) > (The corresponding value is 4N7 class Y on our 230 volts) > Easy! You are missing a mains earth! That's right! It's true I often don't bother with these for AC sets since it doesn't improve reception that much. But it DOES prevent the tingle, true! John H. Article: 337805 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Barry" References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:09:05 -0500 Message-ID: <42edd$44bef295$18d649b3$2742@KNOLOGY.NET> I've used carpet padding to pack things and it works very well. You can get all you want from a carpet place that does installs. New stuff, too. It's a bit heavy, but it does pad well and can absorb a lot of shock, especially if you layer it several times. Barry - N4BUQ "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Just thought I'd share this, esp. in light of the recent thread on > packing (#459 in a long series). > > I have found furniture stores to be a great source of packing. We just > got a Denver Mattress/Sofas n More etc. store (kind of a 3-in -one > store, can't remember the third one). Anyhow they recycle cardboard > but all their foam sheets, styrofoam blocks, and bubble wrap goes into > a big dumpster! :-o There are all types, from the real thin foam > that rips easy to 1/4" thick foam sheets to std. bubble wrap to super > duper Mil Spec bubble wrap - this is bubble wrap made of very heavy > plastic and backed with foam. Big ol sheets of it too. The size of > armoires and queen sized head boards, I guess. And foam blocks 2" > thick by 18" by 2 ft. long. All there for the harvesting. And they > said they were glad to have me take it because their trash service is > on an as-needed, pay as you dump basis, so this saves them money. I'm > always careful to leave things cleaner than when I got there. > > No excuse for bad packing folks! > > Tox > > PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a > breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 > Article: 337806 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:36:22 -0600 Message-ID: <11699-44BEFA36-59@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: Amazing Article: 337807 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1t-dnYXkpa6vMCDZnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153339725.790870.59990@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:04:34 -0500 toxcrusadr wrote: > jakdedert wrote: >> A helpful friend advised me to check the dumpsters up and down the alley >> parallel to Melrose Ave. >> > > I know there's a Hollywood joke here somewhere. Or ten. > > I'll start: > > Did you find any liposuction fat? I guess that wouldn't make real good > packing material. Too runny. > I avoided all the 'smelly' dumpsters.... > Tox > > Article: 337808 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! Date: 19 Jul 2006 21:26:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1153369587.479824.257330@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," wrote: > > > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 19:42:52 GMT, Brian McAllister wrote: > > > > >>> I don't know...hmm...it just doesn't seem possible, but if it is I want > > >>> to know how it works. How many amps it puts out and working distance. > > >>> And the legal aspect of cooking your pets or co-workers electronic > > >>> devices....nah their pulling our legs..right?? > > >> > > >> Note the value given for the Availability field. Not "In Stock", "Out of Stock", or "This item ships separately". > > > > > > Click on "Add to Cart" > > > > Well, QED. > > > > I actually thought that the most amusing give-away was the presence of an on-off switch on the receiver. > > > Did you look at their other April Fools Day items? Has anybody bought/won anything really nice on April 1st? Article: 337809 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: 19 Jul 2006 21:53:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I have a 10-tube mid-30s console here I'd like to restore. It sat for awhile and I think it's time to give it a shot. The cabinet is bad bad bad, but I can replace some wood and make it OK. Problem is, no labels. Musta sat in a swamp. Tube lineup is 76, 4x 6D6, 76x2, 45x2, 80. 3-section tuner, 4 shafts, second hands for the tone and volume controls. Looks similar to a Wells Gardner 62-152 at Radio Attic's Archives, but the fretwork (or rather, what is left of it) is slightly different. Branded Monkey Wards on the dial. W-G is suggested by the build quality, dial with second hands, and the tube shields with holes in em. This set has 50s-60s replacement caps tacked in, and I'd like to find a schematic to set things right. Suggestions? Mark O., didn't you have a WG expert friend? Thanks ahead, Tox Article: 337810 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 02:02:14 -0400 From: Scott Irvine Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: toxcrusadr wrote: > Just thought I'd share this, esp. in light of the recent thread on > packing (#459 in a long series). > > I have found furniture stores to be a great source of packing. We just > got a Denver Mattress/Sofas n More etc. store (kind of a 3-in -one > store, can't remember the third one). Anyhow they recycle cardboard > but all their foam sheets, styrofoam blocks, and bubble wrap goes into > a big dumpster! :-o There are all types, from the real thin foam > that rips easy to 1/4" thick foam sheets to std. bubble wrap to super > duper Mil Spec bubble wrap - this is bubble wrap made of very heavy > plastic and backed with foam. Big ol sheets of it too. The size of > armoires and queen sized head boards, I guess. And foam blocks 2" > thick by 18" by 2 ft. long. All there for the harvesting. And they > said they were glad to have me take it because their trash service is > on an as-needed, pay as you dump basis, so this saves them money. I'm > always careful to leave things cleaner than when I got there. > > No excuse for bad packing folks! > > Tox > > PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a > breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 > Another way is to get involved in Freecycle on Yahoo groups in your area. I have seen many postings of people giving away packing material, boxes,etc. You can also request things. You could request old radios. I haven't tried it yet. I requested 8-tracks and ended up picking up about 100 of them for free. Scott Article: 337811 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: anyone want a GE 7-2582G transistor radio Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:23:46 -0700 Message-ID: <7m6ub290p8brohvt36m9qlgdjvdc2buo6v@4ax.com> nice looking AM/FM transistor radio (presume it's 7 transistor) - owners name scribed on case and inside. I tested it with a 9v battery and it works properly on am and fm bands. Date code of 5012G - I find these have sold for $5 to $12 on e-bay - shipping will be $5 contact me off the list if you would like it. Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337812 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: fs: anyone want a "poor man's signal tracer" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:27:12 -0700 Message-ID: <0c8ub2dv497gssvsgocumets9b344tgupt@4ax.com> going through a box of stuff - this is a Radio Shack "Archer Mini Amplifier speaker" where the input jack has been replaced with a couple of lengths of meter wire (the really flexible stuff) with some heavy clip leads on the end. Would be useful to clip onto a radio or other object under test as an amplifer - I don't need it - $8 including shipping - contact me off the list Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337813 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: fs - mystery object - heat shrink shrinker? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:36:16 -0700 Message-ID: <8r8ub2dp8ai1oeb4mqv61491n93pl1h2k3@4ax.com> another item from this box I'm cleaning out - an aluminum rectangle wtih two 0.4X0.8 inch channels cut in it, with a heater (resistor) screwed to the bottom, on/off switch and a perforated metal cage around it - $10 with postage (it won't fit in a flat rate envelope), or $5 if I discard the perf metal enclosure - if you want this and the other goodies I've just posted here, they will all fit in a single flat rate box, so we can figure out some suitable total I also have an "airtech raucous sounder" - I love that name - good for a small alarm or continuity tester. as with the other stuff, contact me off the list if you want any of this stuff. Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337814 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44BF2965.5A35CC39@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 06:58:14 GMT Scott Irvine wrote: > > toxcrusadr wrote: > > Just thought I'd share this, esp. in light of the recent thread on > > packing (#459 in a long series). > > > > I have found furniture stores to be a great source of packing. We just > > got a Denver Mattress/Sofas n More etc. store (kind of a 3-in -one > > store, can't remember the third one). Anyhow they recycle cardboard > > but all their foam sheets, styrofoam blocks, and bubble wrap goes into > > a big dumpster! :-o There are all types, from the real thin foam > > that rips easy to 1/4" thick foam sheets to std. bubble wrap to super > > duper Mil Spec bubble wrap - this is bubble wrap made of very heavy > > plastic and backed with foam. Big ol sheets of it too. The size of > > armoires and queen sized head boards, I guess. And foam blocks 2" > > thick by 18" by 2 ft. long. All there for the harvesting. And they > > said they were glad to have me take it because their trash service is > > on an as-needed, pay as you dump basis, so this saves them money. I'm > > always careful to leave things cleaner than when I got there. > > > > No excuse for bad packing folks! > > > > Tox > > > > PS recent price on a roll of cheapie bubble wrap about the size of a > > breadbox, from Staples: $21.99 > > > Another way is to get involved in Freecycle on Yahoo groups in your > area. I have seen many postings of people giving away packing material, > boxes,etc. You can also request things. You could request old radios. I > haven't tried it yet. I requested 8-tracks and ended up picking up about > 100 of them for free. > > Scott I was a member of the Ocala Freecycle group. i gave a way a bunch of stuff, then i was thrown off when I asked for something, empty inkjet cartridges. :( -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337815 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 00:58:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1153382310.370837.173120@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Reports of over 400,000 people without electricity and lots of trees > down. > > > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Yahoo! US was down over an hour that I noticed (it quit in mid-page). I saw Plano and two other Texas area servers were completely down, and one Rogers Canada site that was horrendous ANYWAY on lost packets. I don't know if that was just traffic to Boise or worse but Everything else but the NY Times was up. That is a huge mess, period. I couldn't make enough of the Internet Traffic Report site to see what happened. Also didn't see the story poking around to figure Yahoo! out. I'll go and look, and thanks for the heads up. Article: 337816 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 01:01:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1153382493.218991.130220@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Reports of over 400,000 people without electricity and lots of trees > down. > > > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Nasty wind. Article: 337817 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: 20 Jul 2006 01:04:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1153382657.443395.31690@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> toxcrusadr wrote: > I have a 10-tube mid-30s console here I'd like to restore. It sat for > awhile and I think it's time to give it a shot. The cabinet is bad bad > bad, but I can replace some wood and make it OK. Problem is, no > labels. Musta sat in a swamp. > > Tube lineup is 76, 4x 6D6, 76x2, 45x2, 80. 3-section tuner, 4 shafts, > second hands for the tone and volume controls. Looks similar to a > Wells Gardner 62-152 at Radio Attic's Archives, but the fretwork (or > rather, what is left of it) is slightly different. Branded Monkey > Wards on the dial. W-G is suggested by the build quality, dial with > second hands, and the tube shields with holes in em. > > This set has 50s-60s replacement caps tacked in, and I'd like to find a > schematic to set things right. Suggestions? Mark O., didn't you have a > WG expert friend? > > Thanks ahead, > > Tox There's no mark on the top left on the back of the cabinet? Try rubbing it. Article: 337818 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 05:55:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1153400122.589391.184570@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> Chicago's getting it this morning. This better not happen for Bollingbrook. :) Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Reports of over 400,000 people without electricity and lots of trees > down. > > > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Article: 337819 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 07:21:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1153405289.992307.165810@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Reports of over 400,000 people without electricity and lots of trees > down. > > Despite the damage (and sometimes deaths) that they do cause, summertime thunderstorms are one of the most enjoyable things in life. I spent 8 years on the West Coast and only ONCE was there anything like thunder and lightning. I grew up in the midwest and when I took my wife and kids there last spring we had several hours of tornado activity in the neighborhood (and some not catastrophic damage to our stuff.) Tim. Article: 337820 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:40:59 -0400 Message-ID: Yup thats a WG alright. Chassis 0C (zero- C) its in Riders 5-1 in the WG section. It would also have possibly the Airline model 62-132 or 62-137, also in Riders 5. All this is easy to find in a Mallory "Radio Service Encyclopedia". I recommend vol 5 or 6, which would cover up to WW2. They pop up on eBay or at the swaps or search the used book sources. Great reference. WG used the tube count and a letter for their chassis ID at the time. 10 tubes = 0. Letter M would mean metal tubes, which began right after this chassis with the 0D. I had a 0DM chassis in an Airline 62-179 I had for years. It was one of my first consoles...I found it in a shack while on vacation near Medford, OR back in '73 when I was a junior in high school. These are great sets. Mark Oppat "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > I have a 10-tube mid-30s console here I'd like to restore. It sat for > awhile and I think it's time to give it a shot. The cabinet is bad bad > bad, but I can replace some wood and make it OK. Problem is, no > labels. Musta sat in a swamp. > > Tube lineup is 76, 4x 6D6, 76x2, 45x2, 80. 3-section tuner, 4 shafts, > second hands for the tone and volume controls. Looks similar to a > Wells Gardner 62-152 at Radio Attic's Archives, but the fretwork (or > rather, what is left of it) is slightly different. Branded Monkey > Wards on the dial. W-G is suggested by the build quality, dial with > second hands, and the tube shields with holes in em. > > This set has 50s-60s replacement caps tacked in, and I'd like to find a > schematic to set things right. Suggestions? Mark O., didn't you have a > WG expert friend? > > Thanks ahead, > > Tox > > Article: 337821 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 10:13:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1153415610.996675.104710@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> I'm 125 mi. W. of STL and I missed the whole thing! Ironically I was down in the basement playing with radios (thread now has radio content :-). I turned one on about 1030 pm and caught the Cardinals, and they said there had been a 2-hr. rain delay, but they never mentioned that fans were injured and glass had broken it the broacast booth. Hope Bill T. is OK, and his steel house. Tox Article: 337822 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: 20 Jul 2006 10:21:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153416070.676523.294950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. What prompted this was the acquisition of another WG yesterday. I have to either hide the new one or move something out before the wife gets back from her trip. :-o The new one is a Wards 62-195, 11 or 12 tubes with eye - that and the price were why I brought it home. That one does have metal tubes, incl PP 6F6s and a big heavy 12" speaker. It was priced at $125 in this antique mall for a year, was marked down to $75, then there was a 25% off sale on entire contents of the booth so I got it for $56. Not bad around here for a quality set. Shiny orig. finish. I love the dials on these with the little second hands. Tox Article: 337823 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials Date: 20 Jul 2006 10:26:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1153416419.405733.84950@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > I was a member of the Ocala Freecycle group. i gave a way a bunch of > stuff, then i was thrown off when I asked for something, empty inkjet > cartridges. :( That sounds like BS to me. People post Wanteds all the time on my local Freecycle. Was it run by Nazis or what?? The local groups are of course moderated locally, so you can run into all kinds of people. Tox Article: 337824 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:29:50 -0500 Message-ID: <21209-44BFBD8E-131@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net> Storms trigger power outages.Local News section at www.clarionledger.com We got some ''weather'' here yesterday afternoon.My electric power blipped off and on about three times,I was glad we got some rain here.About six weeks ago,I had two seventy feet tall pecan trees by my house cut down and hauled off.They were too close to my house and each tree had a big fork on them which were causing them to lean toward my house. When some of the Katrina winds came through this area last year,the base of the pecan tree that was in my front yard was dancing around at ground level like a wild indian on camp kickapoo joy juice.I dont have to worry about those two pecan trees now.There isn't anything that scares me more than tornados. cuhulin Article: 337825 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: Great source for packing materials References: <1153245578.609026.148540@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44BF2965.5A35CC39@earthlink.net> <1153416419.405733.84950@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:39:59 -0500 toxcrusadr wrote: > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> I was a member of the Ocala Freecycle group. i gave a way a bunch of >> stuff, then i was thrown off when I asked for something, empty inkjet >> cartridges. :( > > That sounds like BS to me. People post Wanteds all the time on my > local Freecycle. Was it run by Nazis or what?? The local groups are > of course moderated locally, so you can run into all kinds of people. > It's possible they thought it was a commercial venture.... > Tox > > Article: 337826 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 10:54:07 -0700 Message-ID: <1153418047.786166.57450@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Storms trigger power outages. Storm + trees hanging over the power lines triggers week-long power outages! > There isn't anything that scares me more than tornados. I grew up in the midwest so in my mind "tornado siren going off" means "grab the camcorder and go on the roof and point it in the direction of the trailer park". Tornado sirens are surprisingly cost-effective way of saving lives. If it's monday at 3PM and I don't hear the tornado siren test, then SOMEBODY isn't dong their job. Tim. Article: 337827 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 20 Jul 2006 11:47:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1153421237.344314.78830@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> There is some great coverage at www.kmov.com, including a photo gallery, in which a lot of big stuff can be seen fallen over, including: some airplanes, two radio transmitting towers, some 18-wheelers, a ginormous casino sign, part of an airport, some big ol trees, some of which landed on cars, and an old brick building which fell onto the Eads Bridge. Yikes. Tox Article: 337828 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Line Bypass Caps Date: 20 Jul 2006 12:02:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> I was working last night on a Howard 482 FM adaptor which I had recapped previously. It was working but would blow the fuse after about 10 minutes. I never did figure out why and put it aside. Anyway decided it could be the 6X5 so I pulled the tube and ran it for awhile, and it did fine. This time I had put in a 1A slo-blo, though, instead of a regular fuse. It seemed OK for ten minutes so I put in a brand new 6X5 thinking that the old one must have had a short that got bad only after warmup (knowing of the common 6X5 short). It ran for a few minutes and POP - the magic smoke came out. (Guess that wasn't the problem, knucklehead!) Turned out to be a square cap that looks like a domino (spots and all) and is almost as big. I had not replaced it, thinking it was a ceramic one not in need of changing. Wax was oozing out either end. This appears to be a 0.05 uf line filter cap to ground. It certainly explains the delayed fuse blowing, if the leakage got worse as it warmed up. I can't quite read my copy of the schematic, it either says 600V or 800V on this cap. Question: can I replace with a std. 0.05/630 V? I thought I had read here somewhere that there are 'AC rated' caps. How does one find or identify those? And how are they different from regular ones? In other news, it was suggested by someone before that I monitor current draw and see if it was a sudden rise or gradual that led up to fuse blow. I found that neither my Heath VTVM nor the Realistic analog multi meter will do AC amps. Drat. How do y'all do this, with a metered Variac? Article: 337829 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 14:52:21 -0500 Message-ID: <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > Question: can I replace with a std. 0.05/630 V? I thought I had read > here somewhere that there are 'AC rated' caps. How does one find or > identify those? And how are they different from regular ones? You can replace it with a .05/630, and people do, but using an AC rated cap is the right way nowadays. They don't fail short so they don't cause a short circuit and/or fire. You can find them at JustRadios or any larger supply shop. Details here: http://www.justradios.com/capacitors.html Make sure you choose the X1/Y2 caps. > > In other news, it was suggested by someone before that I monitor > current draw and see if it was a sudden rise or gradual that led up to > fuse blow. I found that neither my Heath VTVM nor the Realistic analog > multi meter will do AC amps. Drat. How do y'all do this, with a > metered Variac? By spending $30 to buy a DMM at Sears that measures AC amps. A worthy investment IMO. I use a dimbulb tester instead of a variac but I'm set up such that the AC ammeter sits between the bulb (or variac, if that's what you have) and the unit under test. Good luck paul -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337830 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Reverse Murphy's Law Date: 20 Jul 2006 13:02:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1153425739.360830.35540@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > I Needed a Power Tranny for a 12 Tube Zenith 790 As they say in football, "Whoa...oh no...great play!" Had a similar thing happen recently. Found a turntable in a dumpster, and posted on an audio discussion forum wondering whether to try to fix it or part it out. Turned out someone reading that had just replaced an identical model and had the old one gathering dust. He had bought it online and was not happy with the actual condition compared to auction claims, and was glad to be rid of it. Offered to send it to me for the cost of shipping. I can cobble up one good whole one from the two. Voila, two wrongs do make a right! Tox Article: 337831 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:09:50 -0400 My shop rule, in an old receiver, ALWAYS replace all caps that have more than 50V across them. Others may need to go also. Ken toxcrusadr wrote: > I was working last night on a Howard 482 FM adaptor which I had > recapped previously. It was working but would blow the fuse after about > 10 minutes. I never did figure out why and put it aside. Anyway > decided it could be the 6X5 so I pulled the tube and ran it for awhile, > and it did fine. This time I had put in a 1A slo-blo, though, instead > of a regular fuse. It seemed OK for ten minutes so I put in a brand > new 6X5 thinking that the old one must have had a short that got bad > only after warmup (knowing of the common 6X5 short). It ran for a few > minutes and POP - the magic smoke came out. (Guess that wasn't the > problem, knucklehead!) Turned out to be a square cap that looks like a > domino (spots and all) and is almost as big. I had not replaced it, > thinking it was a ceramic one not in need of changing. Wax was oozing > out either end. This appears to be a 0.05 uf line filter cap to > ground. It certainly explains the delayed fuse blowing, if the leakage > got worse as it warmed up. I can't quite read my copy of the > schematic, it either says 600V or 800V on this cap. > > Question: can I replace with a std. 0.05/630 V? I thought I had read > here somewhere that there are 'AC rated' caps. How does one find or > identify those? And how are they different from regular ones? > > In other news, it was suggested by someone before that I monitor > current draw and see if it was a sudden rise or gradual that led up to > fuse blow. I found that neither my Heath VTVM nor the Realistic analog > multi meter will do AC amps. Drat. How do y'all do this, with a > metered Variac? > Article: 337832 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153416070.676523.294950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:35:15 -0400 Message-ID: Yes, great great sets. WG was super stuff. Note the unique feature is the "Broad-Sharp" IF switch! Only Silvertone offered that in a medium price line besides WG made sets. .. Then, you have to get up into high end Philco, Scott or McMurdo or a comm recvr. Mark Oppat "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153416070.676523.294950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Thanks Mark, I'll check it out. > > What prompted this was the acquisition of another WG yesterday. I > have to either hide the new one or move something out before the wife > gets back from her trip. :-o The new one is a Wards 62-195, 11 or 12 > tubes with eye - that and the price were why I brought it home. That > one does have metal tubes, incl PP 6F6s and a big heavy 12" speaker. > It was priced at $125 in this antique mall for a year, was marked down > to $75, then there was a 25% off sale on entire contents of the booth > so I got it for $56. Not bad around here for a quality set. Shiny > orig. finish. I love the dials on these with the little second hands. > > Tox > > Article: 337833 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Sherwin" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:02:34 -0700, toxcrusadr wrote: > Question: can I replace with a std. 0.05/630 V? I thought I had read > here somewhere that there are 'AC rated' caps. How does one find or > identify those? And how are they different from regular ones? You need a 250V AC X2 rated cap. An old switch mode power supply will contain several suitable ones, but they don't cost much anyway. A 630V DC rated polyester cap would probably be OK on a US 120V supply but the X2 is the Right Thing. X2s are rigorously tested to self heal when subjected to large voltage transients. They should fail open circuit under all circumstances. HTH, Paul Article: 337834 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: 20 Jul 2006 13:50:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1153428615.823835.294950@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> That cap is probably a 'micamold' like I found in the Halli SX-43 I am restoring. At first glance it looks just like molded mica cap but a bit longer. It turns out it is a paper cap and they are almost always bad. In the Halli it was also used as a line to chassis RF bypass cap, carefully placed where it was very difficult to change, but at least easy to test. As suggested, an AC rated cap is somewhat safer, but a 0.05-630VDC is okay too. Always a good idea to fit a fuse, like your unit has, to protect from fires when components fail. A nice unit to have for measuring AC current [as well as voltage, watts, PF, VA and frequency] of the AC line is the P4400 'Kill a watt' that sells for around $20. Neil S. toxcrusadr wrote: > I was working last night on a Howard 482 FM adaptor which I had > recapped previously. It was working but would blow the fuse after about > 10 minutes. I never did figure out why and put it aside. Anyway > decided it could be the 6X5 so I pulled the tube and ran it for awhile, > and it did fine. This time I had put in a 1A slo-blo, though, instead > of a regular fuse. It seemed OK for ten minutes so I put in a brand > new 6X5 thinking that the old one must have had a short that got bad > only after warmup (knowing of the common 6X5 short). It ran for a few > minutes and POP - the magic smoke came out. (Guess that wasn't the > problem, knucklehead!) Turned out to be a square cap that looks like a > domino (spots and all) and is almost as big. I had not replaced it, > thinking it was a ceramic one not in need of changing. Wax was oozing > out either end. This appears to be a 0.05 uf line filter cap to > ground. It certainly explains the delayed fuse blowing, if the leakage > got worse as it warmed up. I can't quite read my copy of the > schematic, it either says 600V or 800V on this cap. > > Question: can I replace with a std. 0.05/630 V? I thought I had read > here somewhere that there are 'AC rated' caps. How does one find or > identify those? And how are they different from regular ones? > > In other news, it was suggested by someone before that I monitor > current draw and see if it was a sudden rise or gradual that led up to > fuse blow. I found that neither my Heath VTVM nor the Realistic analog > multi meter will do AC amps. Drat. How do y'all do this, with a > metered Variac? Article: 337835 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Uncle Peter" References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:54:07 -0400 "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >I was working last night on a Howard 482 FM adaptor which I had > recapped previously. It was working but would blow the fuse after about > 10 minutes. If it is .05 mfd, then it is a paper cap as others note. .05 is too large a value for line-bypass service. To low a reactive value at 60 Hz, and it will give a good bite if you get between it and ground/netural. 015 is the largest value that should be used. Stick with a part rated for AC linebypass service, or simply leave the cap out of the circuit otherwise. Pete Article: 337836 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 20 Jul 2006 13:55:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1153428943.621223.303820@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153196028.005485.162540@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Gary Tayman wrote: A rebuild kit costs well over > $1,000. A rebuild kit for an Oldsmobile was around $300, and there's only > one small part in the entire kit that's different. Any way to buy the Oldsmobile rebuilt-kit and then just buy that extra "different" part on its own? ;) -- Stephanie Weil New York City Article: 337837 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: 20 Jul 2006 14:09:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1153429781.173425.209300@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Thanks everyone. I will be ordering some .01uf, 'X-rated' (ooh la la!) caps on my next parts order. Tox Article: 337838 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:20:47 -0500 Message-ID: <23236-44BFF3AF-6@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153428943.621223.303820@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Eleven years is the cut off point for American brand name car/dealers to order parts.If that Oldsmobile is eleven years old (assuming Oldsmobile was still in business,Oldsmobile went out of business a few years ago) or older,they couldn't order any parts for you for an Oldsmobile that old. cuhulin Article: 337839 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: For Ken G's eyes only! From: "Mc Kiernan, Daniel Kian," References: <44BDC0C7.CD0DE3C@earthlink.net> <1153289192.721629.38740@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44BF0328.831AE2A7@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:04:23 GMT On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 04:14:33 GMT, Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> I actually thought that the most amusing give-away was the presence of an on-off switch on the receiver. > > > Did you look at their other April Fools Day items? No; I was unaware of them. I'll make a point to looking for others later, thanks. Article: 337840 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com Subject: 1950's WEBCOR MUSICALE owners manuals-$10 free shipping Date: 20 Jul 2006 15:12:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1153433554.975249.206720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=004&item=140009814531&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Article: 337841 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Sofa Slug Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153429781.173425.209300@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:45:05 GMT toxcrusadr wrote: > Thanks everyone. I will be ordering some .01uf, 'X-rated' (ooh la > la!) caps on my next parts order. > > Tox > There's some good info here on AC line filter "safety caps": http://www.justradios.com/safetytips.html Article: 337842 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Solomon Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Message-ID: <2120c257s9g1pkgqj0sqtmhv4npe80apeq@4ax.com> References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153429781.173425.209300@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:52:19 GMT On 20 Jul 2006 14:09:41 -0700, "toxcrusadr" wrote: > >Thanks everyone. I will be ordering some .01uf, 'X-rated' (ooh la >la!) caps on my next parts order. > >Tox Am I wrong in saying you should use a Y2 cap instead of an X2? Y2's are for line to ground and X2's are for across the line. See: http://www.justradios.com/safetytips.html Article: 337843 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "graham" References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> <1153405289.992307.165810@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:06:00 -0700 Message-ID: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message > I posted this because we have at least one regular who lives in that > area. ... and they didn't know about the storm??? ... Isn't St. Loius in the Solomon Islands? Article: 337844 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: pgonshor@aol.com Subject: This newsgroup Date: 20 Jul 2006 17:28:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> I came across a beautiful hutch recently. I wasn't sure if it was antique, but I really liked it so I bought it. I wanted to find out just how old it was, so I posted an inquiry on the antiques newsgroup. I got one genuine reply right off, which wasn't very helpful. It was followed by a dozen (stopped looking after a short while) of very profane and vulgar responses. You don't know how good we have it in this newsgroup. Sorta makes the past battles worth it. Just thought you'd like to know. Dave Article: 337845 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> <1153405289.992307.165810@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Message-ID: <4sVvg.10981$Oj.1982@trnddc05> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:44:48 GMT "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net... > "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" wrote: > I posted this because we have at least one regular who lives in that > area. > Are you referring to Bill because he lives in St. Louis, or Yours Truly because I live in what some consider "hurricane territory"? I recall a tornado that came through this area about 12 years ago. On the radio they were talking about the "blizzard of the century", and it actually started in this area as a no-name storm. I heard some bad weather was coming with possible high winds, and I noticed my backyard gate was getting rather flimsy -- one of those repairs I'll get to someday. So I figured I'd better secure it for now. All I could find was some twine, so I took a piece of twine and tied the gate shut -- not much but it'll have to do. About 1:30 in the morning I woke up halfway to hear a loud humming noise, almost like a big truck going by but louder. Suddenly the whole house went Ka-WUMP! Naturally after that I was wide awake, and wondered what the heck was going on. I took a peek out the back window, and found my entire stockade fence had vanished. I looked in the garage and found plaster all over both cars -- and the attic door blown open. I looked next door and found their windows missing. The next morning I went outside to look -- the entire neighborhood was a mess, but nothing major. Mainly blown out doors and windows, downed trees and debris everywhere. My fence? It was all over the yard and street. The flimsy gate was the only piece still standing! As for other storms, during Juan (20 years ago?) a palm tree fell on my car but didn't damage it. Two years ago we had a swap meet during Charley -- about a dozen people showed up. A month later I DJ'ed for a car cruise at the St. Petersburg Pier during Jeannie, and 20 cars showed up! Oh -- one more. A number of years ago my office came up with a stupid policy that if we closed because of a hurricane, we wouldn't get paid. Then Keith came through, just barely a cat 1 but still scary. It was about 5 in the morning and I was wide awake. So I got dressed, and as the winds diminished I drove to the office. The radio said I was in the eye -- that's fine, I made it to the office just in time, and when other employees called, I told them we were open! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 337846 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:46:08 -0400 Message-ID: <44c023bf$0$3673$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> wrote in message news:1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >I came across a beautiful hutch recently. I wasn't sure if it was > antique, but I really liked it so I bought it. I wanted to find out > just how old it was, so I posted an inquiry on the antiques newsgroup. > I got one genuine reply right off, which wasn't very helpful. It was > followed by a dozen (stopped looking after a short while) of very > profane and vulgar responses. You don't know how good we have it in > this newsgroup. Sorta makes the past battles worth it. Just thought > you'd like to know. > Dave > All battles aside, this group IS a treasure. Some of the others - wow......... I've deleted a few due to nothing BUT arguing and fighting and at that - they're starting to spread their crap to yet others. I am not an Antique Radio buff by right - but I DO have an interest in seeing them, and learning how you guys are repairing them. It amazes me how you folks speak of redoing the cabinets and so on. Hell, I can't draw a stick man with a ruler. My hats off to all of you. And, it is ok to disagree sometimes. Article: 337847 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44C0294A.33DBDE63@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> <1153405289.992307.165810@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net> <4sVvg.10981$Oj.1982@trnddc05> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 01:10:05 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > > "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message > news:44BF9F31.F30CE027@earthlink.net... > > "shoppa@trailing-edge.com" wrote: > > > I posted this because we have at least one regular who lives in that > > area. > > > > Are you referring to Bill because he lives in St. Louis, or Yours Truly > because I live in what some consider "hurricane territory"? > > I recall a tornado that came through this area about 12 years ago. On the > radio they were talking about the "blizzard of the century", and it actually > started in this area as a no-name storm. I heard some bad weather was > coming with possible high winds, and I noticed my backyard gate was getting > rather flimsy -- one of those repairs I'll get to someday. So I figured I'd > better secure it for now. All I could find was some twine, so I took a > piece of twine and tied the gate shut -- not much but it'll have to do. > About 1:30 in the morning I woke up halfway to hear a loud humming noise, > almost like a big truck going by but louder. Suddenly the whole house went > Ka-WUMP! Naturally after that I was wide awake, and wondered what the heck > was going on. I took a peek out the back window, and found my entire > stockade fence had vanished. I looked in the garage and found plaster all > over both cars -- and the attic door blown open. I looked next door and > found their windows missing. > > The next morning I went outside to look -- the entire neighborhood was a > mess, but nothing major. Mainly blown out doors and windows, downed trees > and debris everywhere. My fence? It was all over the yard and street. The > flimsy gate was the only piece still standing! > > As for other storms, during Juan (20 years ago?) a palm tree fell on my car > but didn't damage it. Two years ago we had a swap meet during Charley -- > about a dozen people showed up. A month later I DJ'ed for a car cruise at > the St. Petersburg Pier during Jeannie, and 20 cars showed up! Oh -- one > more. A number of years ago my office came up with a stupid policy that if > we closed because of a hurricane, we wouldn't get paid. Then Keith came > through, just barely a cat 1 but still scary. It was about 5 in the morning > and I was wide awake. So I got dressed, and as the winds diminished I drove > to the office. The radio said I was in the eye -- that's fine, I made it to > the office just in time, and when other employees called, I told them we > were open! > > -- > Gary E. Tayman I was referring to Bill, and I think one or two other people from that area have posted here as well. BTW, do you know of anyone from the Ocala area coming to your radio club's show on the 5th? I'd like to come, but I just can't drive that far. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337848 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: 20 Jul 2006 18:30:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1153445450.232877.119300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> clfe wrote: > wrote in message > news:1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >I came across a beautiful hutch recently. I wasn't sure if it was > > antique, but I really liked it so I bought it. I wanted to find out > > just how old it was, so I posted an inquiry on the antiques newsgroup. > > I got one genuine reply right off, which wasn't very helpful. It was > > followed by a dozen (stopped looking after a short while) of very > > profane and vulgar responses. You don't know how good we have it in > > this newsgroup. Sorta makes the past battles worth it. Just thought > > you'd like to know. > > Dave It's an odd thing but many people feel they can take cheap shots on the web because they think they are somewhat anonymous. If you met them in person some would still be putzes, but most would be good folk. I'd like to see a big picnic/swapmeet with people from this newsgroup to see who's naughty and who's nice. Article: 337849 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44c023bf$0$3673$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1153445450.232877.119300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:54:59 -0700 Message-ID: <8_ednY6_TOlgrl3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com> > If you met them in > person some would still be putzes, but most would be good folk. I have noticed that many times at swap meets and other radio events. When meeting in person, people are invariably friendly and talk about common interests in the most pleasant way. They might have different views about politics, religion, whatever, but those things are irrelevant. Can you imagine people turning red-faced and screaming at each other at a swap meet or collector club meeting? I have never seen it happen. What they talk about are topics that bring them together -- exactly what this newsgroup is all about :-) Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337850 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Robert Sherrod Subject: Hallicrafter's S120 BFO control... Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:03:59 GMT Hello, I am in search of a replacement potentiometer for the BFO control on a Hallicrafter's S120. It is a 1.5K ohm, 1/4 watt with switch. The shaft is approximately 5/8" long with a 1/2" long flat. I believe the potentiometer is a Centralab as it states on the back of the switch "Centralab Model 2". Also, if anyone has a one of the small knobs, black with bright insert, for an S120, I would also be interested. It would save me the trouble of repairing the one that was damage with the potentiometer. I am awaiting a reply from Mark Oppat in regards to this, but I thought I would see if anyone else could be of assistance. Thanks, Bobby KC9IHK Article: 337851 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "clfe" References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44c023bf$0$3673$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1153445450.232877.119300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <8_ednY6_TOlgrl3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com> Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:55:25 -0400 Message-ID: <44c0420d$0$3678$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:8_ednY6_TOlgrl3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com... >> If you met them in >> person some would still be putzes, but most would be good folk. > > I have noticed that many times at swap meets and other radio events. When > meeting in person, people are invariably friendly and talk about common > interests in the most pleasant way. They might have different views about > politics, religion, whatever, but those things are irrelevant. > > Can you imagine people turning red-faced and screaming at each other at a > swap meet or collector club meeting? I have never seen it happen. What > they talk about are topics that bring them together -- exactly what this > newsgroup is all about :-) > > Regards, > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > Meets are "topic" related. people interested go to them for their value and often relaxation and commaraderie. most could care less about arguments with anyone of the same liking - at that moment. On here, they're not face to face, the focus isn't necessarily on the topic at hand, other pressures may be applying themselves. A host of reasons things are different. Again, it is ok to "disagree". It doesn't have to mean you "hate" someone - want them dead or want to kick their ass. Some take things far too literally. Its a hobby - ENJOY. Hobbies are supposed to take you away from aggrivation, NOT bring more in. Article: 337852 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: 20 Jul 2006 19:58:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1153450684.410446.109960@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> clfe wrote: > "Phil Nelson" wrote in message > news:8_ednY6_TOlgrl3ZnZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@giganews.com... > >> If you met them in > >> person some would still be putzes, but most would be good folk. > > > > I have noticed that many times at swap meets and other radio events. When > > meeting in person, people are invariably friendly and talk about common > > interests in the most pleasant way. They might have different views about > > politics, religion, whatever, but those things are irrelevant. > > > > Can you imagine people turning red-faced and screaming at each other at a > > swap meet or collector club meeting? I have never seen it happen. What > > they talk about are topics that bring them together -- exactly what this > > newsgroup is all about :-) > > > > Regards, > > > > Phil Nelson > > Phil's Old Radios > > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > > > > > Meets are "topic" related. people interested go to them for their value and > often relaxation and commaraderie. most could care less about arguments with > anyone of the same liking - at that moment. On here, they're not face to > face, the focus isn't necessarily on the topic at hand, other pressures may > be applying themselves. A host of reasons things are different. Again, it is > ok to "disagree". It doesn't have to mean you "hate" someone - want them > dead or want to kick their ass. Some take things far too literally. Its a > hobby - ENJOY. Hobbies are supposed to take you away from aggrivation, NOT > bring more in. I really don't hog picnic at all, don't eat a lot, but I am addicted to lemonade. Article: 337853 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: 20 Jul 2006 20:02:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1153450955.894778.107040@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mark Oppat wrote: > Yes, great great sets. WG was super stuff. > > Note the unique feature is the "Broad-Sharp" IF switch! > > Only Silvertone offered that in a medium price line besides WG made sets. > .. Then, you have to get up into high end Philco, Scott or McMurdo or a > comm recvr. > > Mark Oppat I certainly know that! : ))) Article: 337854 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Robert Sherrod Subject: Re: Who's going to Bolingbrook? References: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:33:31 GMT I'll be there. Went last year and liked it so much better than Elgin. Nicer area close to other business and restaurants, which is always good after a 2.5 hour drive when thirst and hunger are creeping up. Found my Hallicrafter's S38 there last year for $25.00. Hope to score like that again this year. Hope to see you there. Bobby KC9IHK Mark Oppat wrote: > its been about 9 years since I was at Elgin (now Bolingbrook). I am > thinking seriously of returning this year. Who else on this list will be > there? > > I think I need to show the folks there that the Blais repro dials still > exist! (Clint used to sell there). > > Mark Oppat > > > Article: 337855 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:34:42 -0500 Message-ID: <23234-44C04B52-183@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <4sVvg.10981$Oj.1982@trnddc05> I know the St.Louis area pretty well.I was in the Army at Scott Air Force Base,Illinois and SL 60 near Pacific,Missouri in 1963.(Nike Hercules Missiles) I had a girlfriend who lived in Kirkwood,Missouri.Kirkwood is on the Southwest side of St.Louis.A few minutes ago I read that in some places of St.Louis County the electric power could be out from three to five days.The winds from Katrina knocked out my electrc power for about 28 hours. cuhulin Article: 337856 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Hallicrafter's S120 BFO control... Date: 20 Jul 2006 21:30:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153456210.351758.91920@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Robert Sherrod wrote: > Hello, > > I am in search of a replacement potentiometer for the BFO control on a > Hallicrafter's S120. It is a 1.5K ohm, 1/4 watt with switch. The shaft > is approximately 5/8" long with a 1/2" long flat. I believe the > potentiometer is a Centralab as it states on the back of the switch > "Centralab Model 2". > > Also, if anyone has a one of the small knobs, black with bright insert, > for an S120, I would also be interested. It would save me the trouble of > repairing the one that was damage with the potentiometer. > > I am awaiting a reply from Mark Oppat in regards to this, but I thought > I would see if anyone else could be of assistance. > > Thanks, > > Bobby > KC9IHK Good luck in your searching, but is the 120 knob like the 118 Mk II knobs? My band selector knob has had one of those pointy things from somewhere since I got it and I'd like to buy one myself if so. regards, Steven Article: 337857 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: anyone want a GE 7-2582G transistor radio Date: 20 Jul 2006 22:17:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1153459073.953753.319870@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <7m6ub290p8brohvt36m9qlgdjvdc2buo6v@4ax.com> William B Noble (don't reply to this address) wrote: > nice looking AM/FM transistor radio (presume it's 7 transistor) - Hi William, I bite. Sent you an email. -- Stephanie Weil New York City Article: 337858 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: FA: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:15:48 -0400 Message-ID: Here's a nice set that dearly needs some cabinet veneer and TLC, and will probably sell fairly cheap. Its a great WG made set. http://cgi.ebay.com/c-1937-Coronado-12-tube-console-radio-WELLS-GARDNER_W0QQitemZ190008710404QQihZ009QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I know the seller of this one, and he has some other stuff on eBay now that he is willing to haul to various shows for some bux. Hagstar... this ones got YOU written on it! Mark Oppat Article: 337859 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: FA: German console (not mine) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:26:41 -0400 Message-ID: Here in the Detroit area I service and get offered a fair number of these German consoles. They are nice sets... although the Elac turntables can be dicey. Hell, for $50 if you are in the Mt. Vernon, NY area this is a pick up only sale, this thing is cheap. I like them, just dont have room for these wide ones. If anyone here does, this might be the ticket. http://cgi.ebay.com/NORMENDE-ISABELLA-STEREO-TUBE-CONSOLE-SW-RADIO-BAR-LooK_W0QQitemZ140010513407QQihZ004QQcategoryZ933QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Mark Oppat Article: 337860 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gordon Richmond Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Message-ID: References: <1153428943.621223.303820@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <23236-44BFF3AF-6@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:03:17 GMT >Eleven years is the cut off point for American brand name car/dealers to >order parts.If that Oldsmobile is eleven years old (assuming Oldsmobile >was still in business,Oldsmobile went out of business a few years ago) >or older,they couldn't order any parts for you for an Oldsmobile that >old. >cuhulin Well, I seem to remember that Rolls Royce adopted the Hydramatic transmission that was used by Oldsmobile and Cadillac. And that transmission was obsolete a lot more than 11 years ago. But parts continue to be available in the after-market. You can still buy any part you need for a Model A Ford. Just not from Henry, or his grandkids. Gordon Richmond Article: 337861 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 21 Jul 2006 00:20:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1153466413.727172.284270@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153428943.621223.303820@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Gordon Richmond wrote: > >Eleven years is the cut off point for American brand name car/dealers to > >order parts.If that Oldsmobile is eleven years old (assuming Oldsmobile > >was still in business,Oldsmobile went out of business a few years ago) > >or older,they couldn't order any parts for you for an Oldsmobile that > >old. > >cuhulin > > Well, I seem to remember that Rolls Royce adopted the Hydramatic transmission that was > used by Oldsmobile and Cadillac. And that transmission was obsolete a lot more than 11 > years ago. But parts continue to be available in the after-market. > > You can still buy any part you need for a Model A Ford. Just not from Henry, or his > grandkids. > > Gordon Richmond You can still repair a John Deere "A" and use it too. Article: 337862 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Recapping Bakelite Blocks on Philco Date: 21 Jul 2006 04:56:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1153482977.076809.311010@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1152578420.670479.182400@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Folks, does anyone have the .15 's available? I've tried numerious types to EMAIL Mark Oppatt, but no answer. If anyone has information on who would have these hard to find caps, let me know by EMAIL or here. Thanks, GB > > RadioGary wrote: > > > These are NOT two in parallel. This is a model 16 chassis from a > > > console set. Sorry if there was any confusion, but went through this > > > with another person on a Philco site until he found the right > > > schematic. > > > > > > They are not on the AC line either. I'm still wondering if they are > > > critical. So far no one says they are. > > > > > > > > > Lou deGonzague wrote: > > >> On my schematic that cap is a .3uf. If you look at it you see 2 > > >> terminals tied together so they used 2 .15 in parallel. > > >> > > >> RadioGary wrote: > > >>> Hello, > > >>> > > >>> OK, making progress in rebuilding old bakelite blocks however there's a > > >>> stumbling block, so to speek. The 6287F's require replacement of 2 ea > > >>> .15 mfd caps. What's safe to sub for this? I can only think of going > > >>> down with a readily available round of .1's. Will this be tolerant > > >>> within the twenty percent rule? I always thought you had to meet or > > >>> EXCEED the value, but that may be for the largers. > > >>> > > >>> Your help would greatly be appreciated. Philco's ROCK when recapped. > > >>> This is a model 16 chassis BTW. > > >>> > > > Article: 337863 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: FA: German console (not mine) Date: 21 Jul 2006 04:56:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1153483003.321052.313390@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > Here in the Detroit area I service and get offered a fair number of these > German consoles. Bring on the Dean Martin and the martini pitcher! Tox Article: 337864 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: 21 Jul 2006 05:09:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153483774.668574.86220@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Martin Crossley wrote: >> Please make it class "Y", NOT "X"! > There's a better explanation than I can give here: > http://my.execpc.com/~endlr/line-filter.html > (and lots more with a Google etc. search) > Martin(Stockport) Got it. I finally read the justradios page on it - very thorough. I am going to keep a better eye out for these in the radios. I'm sure I've either missed some or replaced them with regular capacitors. Always something new to learn about this hobby. Tox Article: 337865 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: I HAVE THE FOLLOWING GREENLEE CHASSIS PUNCHES AVAILABLE. Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 08:19:13 -0500 Message-ID: <12567-44C0D451-292@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <9476-44BE6598-86@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> SORRY, I'VE SOLD ALL OF THEM. STILL HAVE THE BEITMANN'S. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337866 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "pmitchel@email.unc.edu" Subject: Fisher 800C tube receiver/amplifier repair question Date: 21 Jul 2006 07:18:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1153491537.047674.118300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Hello All, My father-in-law donated his old stereo to us - and it's a beaut! Unfortunately, it has some tubes which appear to not be working. The phono works perfectly in monolaural (what sound) but has all manners of noise and reduced sound in stereo. Also tape out is not a function, though the tape in seems to be intact. Dispite too man years as a computer operator/system administrator, I'm clueless about electrical devices, and there's no service manual and/or extra tubes (though Im sure he gave us some at the time, but that's another story). While googling, I noted a pointer to "Total Electronics" in Swepsonville, NC, not very far away from where we live, but all further leads fail to find any phone/address. Anyone know of these folks, or anyone similar who might have the ability to repair this unit in the Greensboro - Raleigh/Durham area of North carolina? Thanks, Paul Mitchell Article: 337867 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 07:29:03 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153428615.823835.294950@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> nesesu wrote: > That cap is probably a 'micamold' like I found in the Halli SX-43 I am > restoring. At first glance it looks just like molded mica cap but a bit > longer. It turns out it is a paper cap and they are almost always bad. > In the Halli it was also used as a line to chassis RF bypass cap, > carefully placed where it was very difficult to change, but at least > easy to test. There are lots of these in WWII-Vintage Hammarlund equipment. Every single one of them that I have ever encountered has been bad. Essentially, they appear to be plain old nasty paper capacitors in a molded shell. The molding might have given them superior moisture resistance (maybe), but they do not have superior leakage characteristics. > As suggested, an AC rated cap is somewhat safer, but a 0.05-630VDC is > okay too. Always a good idea to fit a fuse, like your unit has, to > protect from fires when components fail. As other posters have mentioned, I would replace it with an AC rated cap because it is specifically designed not to fail spectacularly if it malfunctions. > A nice unit to have for measuring AC current [as well as voltage, > watts, PF, VA and frequency] of the AC line is the P4400 'Kill a watt' > that sells for around $20. Sears sells a clamp-on AC DMM for something like $30.00 now. These used to be really expensive, but now they are inexpensive enough that they should find use in every radio shop. A unit that pulls too much current can thus be easily identified. Article: 337868 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: Subject: Re: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:05:12 -0500 Message-ID: <44c0dfe5$0$11283$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:vdudnTZlw7D07V3ZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Here's a nice set that dearly needs some cabinet veneer and TLC, and will > probably sell fairly cheap. Its a great WG made set. Uh.....Mark, I'm bidding on this thing but it does not seem to be going very cheap as I still haven't reached the reserve (a fair bit higher than the bid you now see.) If you know the guy find out how much he wants for it. paul -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 337869 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 21 Jul 2006 08:12:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1153494733.619240.70890@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> robert casey wrote: Maybe I'd go as far as replacing the > solid state FM ratio detector diodes with vacuum tube ones, so the audio > signal never touches any evil solid state devices.... :-) You could always buy a tubed AM/FM radio and just find out where to get those new magic ey tubes. Then just add it as an aftermarket. :D -- Steph Article: 337870 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:54:09 -0400 Message-ID: Paul, I have a problem with much of the info on the Just Radios site about line bypass caps. Here is one little snippet: >>>>Back in the good old days (when you tube radio was made) there was a lot less interference as there were far fewer electrical appliances in a typical home. Also, safety standards were no where near as strict as they are today .and, of course, safety capacitors had not been invented. ........ The first statement is misleading, as much of the info in this area of his site is. First, since I have read many many servicing books, magazines and other factory literature from pre WW2, there was a LOT of AC LINE interference back then. It was more common of course in urban areas, but it was everywhere, more than today if you are talking about AC LINE noise. There may have been fewer appliances, but the ones there were far far worse than today, and your neighbor's washer could pollute the line for the entire block! Today our biggest problem in homes is RF noise if you are talking about AM reception. when I have time I might highlight some other errors in this area of the Just Radios site. Mark Oppat Paul wrote (snip) > You can replace it with a .05/630, and people do, but using an AC rated cap > is the right way nowadays. They don't fail short so they don't cause a short > circuit and/or fire. You can find them at JustRadios or any larger supply > shop. Details here: > http://www.justradios.com/capacitors.html > Make sure you choose the X1/Y2 caps. > > Article: 337871 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: rodsievers@gmail.com Subject: Need schematic for Zenith 6G501 Date: 21 Jul 2006 09:37:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1153499878.955594.267100@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Anyone have a schematic for a Zenith 6G501 they'd be willing to share? Or know where to get one. There isn't one on BAMA. Article: 337872 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:36:04 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > > Paul, > > I have a problem with much of the info on the Just Radios site about line > bypass caps. > > Here is one little snippet: > > >>>>Back in the good old days (when you tube radio was made) there was a > lot less interference as there were far fewer electrical appliances in a > typical home. Also, safety standards were no where near as strict as they > are today .and, of course, safety capacitors had not been invented. ........ > > The first statement is misleading, as much of the info in this area of his > site is. First, since I have read many many servicing books, magazines and > other factory literature from pre WW2, there was a LOT of AC LINE > interference back then. It was more common of course in urban areas, but it > was everywhere, more than today if you are talking about AC LINE noise. > There may have been fewer appliances, but the ones there were far far worse > than today, and your neighbor's washer could pollute the line for the entire > block! > > Today our biggest problem in homes is RF noise if you are talking about AM > reception. > > when I have time I might highlight some other errors in this area of the > Just Radios site. > > Mark Oppat So, you don't consider switching power supplies to be noisy? They put so much harmonic noise on the AC lines that the neutral conductor on three phase systems has caught fire in a lot of buildings. The old rule was the neutral was two sizes smaller than the hot legs. Now it has to be larger than the hot legs. The supplies are supposed to have "Power Factor Correction" which removes this crap, but most of it doesn't. These harmonics go well past the AM broadcast band. The load on early electrical grids was mostly motors and incandescent lamps which didn't generate noise, except for when it was turned on or off. Newer lighting and power supplies draw power at the peak voltage only and switch on and off 120 or 240 times a second. Add the inductance of the wiring, and the capacitance between conductors and you get all kinds of resonant nodes to make the problem even worse. The only time I get decent AM radio reception here at my house is when the whole area is without electricity, like it was for weeks at a time after the hurricanes. You need to rethink this subject, Mark. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337873 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: 21 Jul 2006 09:58:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1153501120.643920.278540@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >The only time I get decent AM radio reception here at my house is when the > whole area is without electricity, like it was for weeks at a time after > the hurricanes. > I don't know how we'd judge pre-WWII conditions from here in a relative way, because "lots of noise" could mean anything. Unless there are comparable measurements from then and now. I do know I have bad AC line interference on AM unless I turn off most of the house. The fluorescents and the low voltage lighting transformers are the worst. I also have neighborhood power trunk lines on poles in my front yard, parallel to my long wire in the attic, and I probably am getting hash >from that too. It's a tough world for AM/SW. I'd like to be on top of a mountain with only a solar DC supply for some nice clean DXing, just to see what is possible. Tox Article: 337874 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44c1090b$0$31640$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> Date: 21 Jul 2006 17:04:11 GMT Michael A. Terrell wrote: > So, you don't consider switching power supplies to be noisy? They > put so much harmonic noise on the AC lines that the neutral conductor on > three phase systems has caught fire in a lot of buildings. The old rule > was the neutral was two sizes smaller than the hot legs. Now it has to > be larger than the hot legs. The supplies are supposed to have "Power > Factor Correction" which removes this crap, but most of it doesn't. > These harmonics go well past the AM broadcast band. For obtaining the CE mark, all powersupplies sold in Europe, must have a mains filter. I have only seen a few (without this mark) that had no filtering. -- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 337875 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1153499878.955594.267100@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Need schematic for Zenith 6G501 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:39:49 -0700 Message-ID: Check out Nostalgia Air: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/458/T0000458.htm Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337876 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Sherwin" Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:04:11 +0000, maarten wrote: > For obtaining the CE mark, all powersupplies sold in Europe, must have a > mains filter. I have only seen a few (without this mark) that had no > filtering. But, the enforcement on this is nonexistent in most countries, and lots of stuff with CE marks produces interference regardless of whether there's actually a filter fitted. Paul Article: 337877 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Need schematic for Zenith 6G501 Date: 21 Jul 2006 10:52:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1153504361.574161.235660@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153499878.955594.267100@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Riders 12, Zenith -10 Neil S. rodsievers@gmail.com wrote: > Anyone have a schematic for a Zenith 6G501 they'd be willing to share? > Or know where to get one. There isn't one on BAMA. Article: 337878 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "c.hugh cline" References: <1153491537.047674.118300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Fisher 800C tube receiver/amplifier repair question Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:15:04 GMT Try Audio Advice in Raleigh Tel # 919-881-2005. 8621-117 Glenwood Ave. They are closed on Monday's. C. Hugh Cline wrote in message news:1153491537.047674.118300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Hello All, > My father-in-law donated his old stereo to us - and it's a beaut! > Unfortunately, it has some tubes which appear to not be working. The > phono works perfectly in monolaural (what sound) but has all manners of > noise and reduced sound in stereo. Also tape out is not a function, > though the tape in seems to be intact. > > Dispite too man years as a computer operator/system administrator, I'm > clueless about electrical devices, and there's no service manual and/or > extra tubes (though Im sure he gave us some at the time, but that's > another story). > > While googling, I noted a pointer to "Total Electronics" in > Swepsonville, NC, not very far away from where we live, but all further > leads fail to find any phone/address. Anyone know of these folks, or > anyone similar who might have the ability to repair this unit in the > Greensboro - Raleigh/Durham area of North carolina? > > Thanks, > > Paul Mitchell > Article: 337879 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Clayton Herzog" Subject: Surplus Gold Plating Solution, Electrodless Date: 21 Jul 2006 11:28:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1153506502.516673.58160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I have roughly a gallon and a half of Gold-Cyanide electrodless gold plating solution. The material was manufactured by Shipley Chemical, now a division of Rhom-Haas. The product is "Shipley Gold EL-221." The material is a little old, but unused. Please contact me if you have an interest in this material. We use to use it for plating electronic connectors, but it could be used in jewelry making or any number of other uses. I can send photos and MSDS if you are interested. Regards, Clay herzog Article: 337880 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:29:29 -0400 Message-ID: <12c278as6q0f26a@corp.supernews.com> References: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Oppat" > > Hagstar... this ones got YOU written on it! > > Mark Oppat > > > BUT I no longer attend Rochester, and I would guess from his history that historee4u has the Reserve set around $200- which might be worth it to a WG collector but not I. A beat up console is still a beat up console, 12 tubes or no, when you have a dozen already needing attention in the queue. I'd bid on this console in a heartbeat though if it were *only* poorly described and photographed and "pick up only" in Washington, NH. All this knowledge and ad copy results in a hefty premium for the seller without changing the radio. I'm one of those people who'd rather notice it was a high end set myself >from the blurry photos than have to pay an expert salesperson to waste our time and my money. Also I generally charge $10- to $20- maximum for swap meet deliveries myself. Mark will now post I am missing out on life for being so cheap. NO, people who use things like Reserves and high delivery fees are cheap. John H. Article: 337881 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 21 Jul 2006 11:30:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1153506616.085185.126450@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Stephanie Weil wrote: > robert casey wrote: > Maybe I'd go as far as replacing the > > solid state FM ratio detector diodes with vacuum tube ones, so the audio > > signal never touches any evil solid state devices.... :-) > > You could always buy a tubed AM/FM radio and just find out where to get > those new magic ey tubes. Then just add it as an aftermarket. :D > > -- > Steph They had tractor radios at the auction 3 weeks ago...no I'm not Larry/Cuhulin. Article: 337882 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: That answers all your questions about St. Louis and Bill T. Date: 21 Jul 2006 11:32:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1153506721.006949.144120@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <9476-44BE6598-86@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Thanks for checking in Bill! Bill Turner wrote: > SORRY, I'VE SOLD ALL OF THEM. STILL HAVE THE BEITMANN'S. > > > CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com > Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. > Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337883 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: Fisher 800C tube receiver/amplifier repair question Date: 21 Jul 2006 11:34:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1153506841.742416.216950@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153491537.047674.118300@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> pmitchel@email.unc.edu wrote: >stuff about a Fisher 800C (NICE Receiver!!) and related items. First Things First: 1. DO NOT mess around inside this unit. Tube equipment of this nature has lethal internal voltages far in excess of what comes out of the wall. 2. If this unit has been sitting for a number of years, some sorts of things should (must) be changed anyway before problems can be diagnosed properly. This includes, but is not limited to: Capacitors, selenium diodes and similar. Tubes should be checked on a reliable tube tester, also for shorts and gas. 3. Controls should be cleaned and checked for operation also. 4. Unless you have the means to measure current draw, it would be best _not_ to operate the receiver until you can. Leaky or shorted caps, bad tubes and other defects can cause havoc leading to the destruction of either your power or output tranformers, a very expensive *POOF*. 5. At the same time, when the unit is properly checked and restored it will be gorgeous in sound and excellent in performance... as well as being worth some decent bucks. Moving on: http://fisherdoctor.com/fisherdoc.html is just one source of repairs. FOR THE RECORD, I am NOT endorsing these people. Do your due-diligence before using them, or anyone else. But vaccuum tube equipment is not normally within the experience of many repair houses these days so you *must* verify that anyone you choose is both experienced and competent in both the specialty and brand involved. So, sending the equipment across country for a sure fix at a reasonable price may be cheaper in the long run than sending it next door several times. Tubes: Tubes are not light-bulbs. First they do not wear anything like as fast, second they are typically more costly. But nearly every tube is readily available as long as the costs are understood. Any number of harpies will attempt to talk you out of the system for-cheap. How you respond is between you and your gods, but be aware of the phenomenon. Understand also that a properly restored unit/system will be worth a good deal more than a poorly functioning unit of unknown condition. Finally: The symptoms you described could be due to bad controls, tubes, caps, poor connections, bad cartridge, and all sorts of (too many to list) other things such that diagnosis at-a-distance without at least a semi-experienced hand at your end would be silly. Good luck with it. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 337884 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Loius last night. Date: 21 Jul 2006 11:34:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1153506863.363593.271020@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <4sVvg.10981$Oj.1982@trnddc05> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > I know the St.Louis area pretty well.I was in the Army at Scott Air > Force Base,Illinois and SL 60 near Pacific,Missouri in 1963.(Nike > Hercules Missiles) I had a girlfriend who lived in > Kirkwood,Missouri.Kirkwood is on the Southwest side of St.Louis.A few > minutes ago I read that in some places of St.Louis County the electric > power could be out from three to five days.The winds from Katrina > knocked out my electrc power for about 28 hours. > cuhulin Bill just posted the Rider's are sold so you can stop wondering : ) Article: 337885 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: rodsievers@gmail.com Subject: Re: Need schematic for Zenith 6G501 Date: 21 Jul 2006 11:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1153507856.703787.216430@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153499878.955594.267100@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Thanks to all. nesesu wrote: > Riders 12, Zenith -10 > > Neil S. > > rodsievers@gmail.com wrote: > > Anyone have a schematic for a Zenith 6G501 they'd be willing to share? > > Or know where to get one. There isn't one on BAMA. Article: 337886 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: FA: German console (not mine) Date: 21 Jul 2006 11:52:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1153507943.798930.42710@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: toxcrusadr wrote: > Mark Oppat wrote: > > Here in the Detroit area I service and get offered a fair number of these > > German consoles. > > Bring on the Dean Martin and the martini pitcher! > > Tox It's German though. If you bring Dean-o, you risk geting served by Don Rickles! Article: 337887 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:59:42 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! First off, I should say that i am new to restoring old or antique radios. This is my first attempt at it. By trade i am a Digital technician and am use to troubleshooting and/or/not gates... That said... The phico is dead except for a very low hum that i can hear if i put my ear to the speaker. 1) I have replaced the capacitors in the bakelight blocks. 2) I have not replaced ther resistors. They seem to be quite a bit out of tollarance.. my first question.. Is this normal for these resistors to be so far out of specification.. If so.. where do i find resistors to replace these with.. There is one that seems to be a 3 watt carbon resistor at 16Kohm. Where on earth do i find a three what carbon resistor? 3) looking at the circuit with a oscope.. I put a rf signal on the antenna clip and started tracing the signal through the radio. I was able to get the signal (though antenuated) to the first 77 Tubes Grid. 4) The catode of the first 77 tube showed what looked like ac noise at a about 100 volts. It didnt resemble anything like the rf signal that was on the grid. 5) I replaced the 77 Tube. No change. 6) Does anyone know where i can get a cheat sheet for this radio that shows what signals should be on each of the pins of these tubes and maybe even wave form shapes... ??? 7) The Tuneable capacitors that are on the back of the radio look to be in bad shape.. anyone know where i could find a suitable replacement for these as well? okay.. i guess this is enough to start with.. I really appreciate you guys looking over this and helping me out. Who knows.. I might actually make this a hobby if i have any hair left after this radio... Thanks again.. S. Article: 337888 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Date: 21 Jul 2006 12:14:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1153509273.326616.35950@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> Samantha wrote: > First off, I should say that i am new to restoring old or antique radios. > This is my first attempt at it. Cool! Welcome. You will find a lot of help here (I have). I can offer one or two suggestions and others will chime in. 1) Did you replace the electrolytic filter capacitors or only the bakelite blocks? If not, you may not have any B+ voltage so, no amplification. Those have to be replaced or you can blow out the power transformer and rectifier tube. 2) You'll need a schematic with voltages listed for the various tube pins. www.nostalgiaair.com is where I get a lot of mine. By checking tube voltages, you can make sure everything is as it should be without having to go to the o-scope. Most radios can be restored without ever using a scope (not that it's not a helpful tool). 3) As far as resistors, you don't have to use carbon, and the wattage can be higher as long as it's not lower. So a 5W of any type, and the matching value, would be fine. It's generally accepted practice with old radios to replace resistors when +/- 20% out of spec. That's what I can think of off the top of my small head. Tox Article: 337889 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: 21 Jul 2006 12:23:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1153509823.167952.61980@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Mark Oppat wrote: > Yes, great great sets. WG was super stuff. > > Note the unique feature is the "Broad-Sharp" IF switch! > > Only Silvertone offered that in a medium price line besides WG made sets. > .. Then, you have to get up into high end Philco, Scott or McMurdo or a > comm recvr. > > Mark Oppat Thanks for that valuable trivia Mark. Most of us (well, certainly I) would never know that stuff, having taken a much shorter swim in a much shallower pool of radios. Whether the B-S switch will actually help with the wife factor is questionable. I may have to turn on *my* BS swtich to get away with this one. Tox Article: 337890 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:29:34 -0400 Message-ID: <12c2aovsab11835@corp.supernews.com> References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> "Samantha" wrote in message news:0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com... > 2) I have not replaced ther resistors. They seem to be quite a bit out of > tollarance.. my first question.. Is this normal for these resistors to be > so > far out of specification.. These are 20% tolerance as issued, so I replace those 30% or more off value. 100% changes are usually needed to affect operation. This is a very simple superheterodyne design that uses controlled feedback for added amplification. The trimmers should be fine if not frozen or shorted, there are just three and not too many adjustments possible here. If so.. where do i find resistors to replace these > with.. There is one that seems to be a 3 watt carbon resistor at 16Kohm. > Where on earth do i find a three what carbon resistor? Mouser.com, digikey.com, tubesandmore.com, Hosfelt.com has 2 watt 30K NTE resistors 2 for 95 cents that could be paralleled. > 6) Does anyone know where i can get a cheat sheet for this radio that shows > what signals should be on each of the pins of these tubes and maybe even > wave > form shapes... ??? http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/875/M0013875.pdf John H. Article: 337891 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Message-ID: <9cawg.848$An.660@fe11.lga> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:46:34 -0400 "Samantha" wrote in message news:0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com... > First off, I should say that i am new to restoring old or antique radios. > This is my first attempt at it. By trade i am a Digital technician and > am > use to troubleshooting and/or/not gates... That said... > > The phico is dead except for a very low hum that i can hear if i put my > ear > to the speaker. > > 1) I have replaced the capacitors in the bakelight blocks. > > 2) I have not replaced ther resistors. They seem to be quite a bit out of > tollarance.. my first question.. Is this normal for these resistors to be > so > far out of specification.. If so.. where do i find resistors to replace > these > with.. There is one that seems to be a 3 watt carbon resistor at 16Kohm. > Where on earth do i find a three what carbon resistor? > > 3) looking at the circuit with a oscope.. I put a rf signal on the antenna > clip and started tracing the signal through the radio. I was able to get > the > signal (though antenuated) to the first 77 Tubes Grid. > > 4) The catode of the first 77 tube showed what looked like ac noise at a > about 100 volts. It didnt resemble anything like the rf signal that was > on > the grid. > > 5) I replaced the 77 Tube. No change. > > 6) Does anyone know where i can get a cheat sheet for this radio that > shows > what signals should be on each of the pins of these tubes and maybe even > wave > form shapes... ??? > > 7) The Tuneable capacitors that are on the back of the radio look to be > in > bad shape.. anyone know where i could find a suitable replacement for > these > as well? > > > okay.. i guess this is enough to start with.. I really appreciate you guys > looking over this and helping me out. Who knows.. I might actually make > this > a hobby if i have any hair left after this radio... > > Thanks again.. > > S. > > Just a side note, if you are measuring the resistors "in-circuit" you are not getting an accurate reading. Cut one side and measure, then resolder if good. If OOS cut the other side and you know what to do. Tom Article: 337892 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:04:28 -0400 Message-ID: <-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> Samantha, this set, and other Philco models of this era, commonly have an oscillator coil that goes open. Its not too hard to fix, but it takes time. You will need #34 or #36 ga enamelled wire. The coil is under a can near the center of the chassis. You can confirm its open if you know how to trace out a circuit. Its about 18 turns, you can hand wind it. Be SURE to wind the wire the same way as originally. When done, I recommend coating it lightly with wax or silicone glue to secure it. Mark Oppat "Samantha" wrote in message news:0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com... > First off, I should say that i am new to restoring old or antique radios. > This is my first attempt at it. By trade i am a Digital technician and am > use to troubleshooting and/or/not gates... That said... > > The phico is dead except for a very low hum that i can hear if i put my ear > to the speaker. > > 1) I have replaced the capacitors in the bakelight blocks. > > 2) I have not replaced ther resistors. They seem to be quite a bit out of > tollarance.. my first question.. Is this normal for these resistors to be so > far out of specification.. If so.. where do i find resistors to replace these > with.. There is one that seems to be a 3 watt carbon resistor at 16Kohm. > Where on earth do i find a three what carbon resistor? > > 3) looking at the circuit with a oscope.. I put a rf signal on the antenna > clip and started tracing the signal through the radio. I was able to get the > signal (though antenuated) to the first 77 Tubes Grid. > > 4) The catode of the first 77 tube showed what looked like ac noise at a > about 100 volts. It didnt resemble anything like the rf signal that was on > the grid. > > 5) I replaced the 77 Tube. No change. > > 6) Does anyone know where i can get a cheat sheet for this radio that shows > what signals should be on each of the pins of these tubes and maybe even wave > form shapes... ??? > > 7) The Tuneable capacitors that are on the back of the radio look to be in > bad shape.. anyone know where i could find a suitable replacement for these > as well? > > > okay.. i guess this is enough to start with.. I really appreciate you guys > looking over this and helping me out. Who knows.. I might actually make this > a hobby if i have any hair left after this radio... > > Thanks again.. > > S. > > > Article: 337893 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12c278as6q0f26a@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:09:10 -0400 Message-ID: <4cqdndMPwssmrlzZnZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d@comcast.com> no, you're not missing out on life at all...! You have good hunting techniques. The seller doesnt know all radios well and may have unrealistic expectations. When it doesnt sell, you email or call the seller and make a better deal. Another technique. Another poster on RAR+P has contacted me about such and I am checking in with the seller to see about this. Mark Oppat "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12c278as6q0f26a@corp.supernews.com... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Oppat" > > > > > Hagstar... this ones got YOU written on it! > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > > > BUT I no longer attend Rochester, and I would guess from his history that > historee4u has the Reserve set around $200- which might be worth it to a WG > collector but not I. A beat up console is still a beat up console, 12 tubes > or no, when you have a dozen already needing attention in the queue. > > I'd bid on this console in a heartbeat though if it were *only* poorly > described and > photographed and "pick up only" in Washington, NH. All this knowledge and ad > copy results in a hefty premium for the seller without changing the radio. > I'm one of those people who'd rather notice it was a high end set myself > from the > blurry photos than have to pay an expert salesperson to waste our time and > my > money. Also I generally charge $10- to $20- maximum for swap meet deliveries > myself. > > Mark will now post I am missing out on life for being so cheap. NO, people > who use things like Reserves and high delivery fees are cheap. > > John H. > > > Article: 337894 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AB9GO" Subject: Re: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) Date: 21 Jul 2006 13:09:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1153512552.669516.3760@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: "Subject to local sale." This is a bunch of crap! Is this guy auctioning this radio or selling it? This is an AUCTION isn't it? I will never bid on an item listed this way again. If the items final bid is for a reasonable amount, it always seems to sell locally. Odd isn't it! Ebay sould not allow this type of listing, but I see it all the time. Randy Hagstar wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Oppat" > > > > > Hagstar... this ones got YOU written on it! > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > > > BUT I no longer attend Rochester, and I would guess from his history that > historee4u has the Reserve set around $200- which might be worth it to a WG > collector but not I. A beat up console is still a beat up console, 12 tubes > or no, when you have a dozen already needing attention in the queue. > > I'd bid on this console in a heartbeat though if it were *only* poorly > described and > photographed and "pick up only" in Washington, NH. All this knowledge and ad > copy results in a hefty premium for the seller without changing the radio. > I'm one of those people who'd rather notice it was a high end set myself > from the > blurry photos than have to pay an expert salesperson to waste our time and > my > money. Also I generally charge $10- to $20- maximum for swap meet deliveries > myself. > > Mark will now post I am missing out on life for being so cheap. NO, people > who use things like Reserves and high delivery fees are cheap. > > John H. Article: 337895 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:17:45 -0400 Message-ID: Michael, You are addressing industrial concerns more than residential. Most residential grids do not have huge noise problems, at least in my experience in Michigan . I used to have a factory at the end of my street that made noise, too, when it was running certain machines. That is fairly rare for most residential areas. If you read the old literature as I have, you will see they were fighting noise created IN the homes by the (at the time) more primative appliances, in addition to noise from the less regulated and more primative industrial applications. I still say JR's statement is misleading. As are others on that site about this topic. Mark Oppat "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net... > Mark Oppat wrote: > > > > Paul, > > > > I have a problem with much of the info on the Just Radios site about line > > bypass caps. > > > > Here is one little snippet: > > > > >>>>Back in the good old days (when you tube radio was made) there was a > > lot less interference as there were far fewer electrical appliances in a > > typical home. Also, safety standards were no where near as strict as they > > are today .and, of course, safety capacitors had not been invented. ........ > > > > The first statement is misleading, as much of the info in this area of his > > site is. First, since I have read many many servicing books, magazines and > > other factory literature from pre WW2, there was a LOT of AC LINE > > interference back then. It was more common of course in urban areas, but it > > was everywhere, more than today if you are talking about AC LINE noise. > > There may have been fewer appliances, but the ones there were far far worse > > than today, and your neighbor's washer could pollute the line for the entire > > block! > > > > Today our biggest problem in homes is RF noise if you are talking about AM > > reception. > > > > when I have time I might highlight some other errors in this area of the > > Just Radios site. > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > So, you don't consider switching power supplies to be noisy? They > put so much harmonic noise on the AC lines that the neutral conductor on > three phase systems has caught fire in a lot of buildings. The old rule > was the neutral was two sizes smaller than the hot legs. Now it has to > be larger than the hot legs. The supplies are supposed to have "Power > Factor Correction" which removes this crap, but most of it doesn't. > These harmonics go well past the AM broadcast band. > > > The load on early electrical grids was mostly motors and incandescent > lamps which didn't generate noise, except for when it was turned on or > off. Newer lighting and power supplies draw power at the peak voltage > only and switch on and off 120 or 240 times a second. Add the > inductance of the wiring, and the capacitance between conductors and you > get all kinds of resonant nodes to make the problem even worse. The > only time I get decent AM radio reception here at my house is when the > whole area is without electricity, like it was for weeks at a time after > the hurricanes. > > You need to rethink this subject, Mark. > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida > Article: 337896 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153371224.847233.283220@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153416070.676523.294950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1153509823.167952.61980@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Need help identifying a Wells Gardner Airline Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:24:20 -0400 Message-ID: That I-F switch comes in very hand when DX'ing. It'll keep a strong station away from invading a weak adjacent one. In broad mode, it gives better fidelity, mostly treble. A very nice feature. Some Silvertones even offered a VARIABLE I-F. Notably, the 1918/1968 consoles, and the 1905/1955 table radios. I have both the above. Super radios. I dont think WG ever offered the variable type, as the 16 tube top of line console still has the switch. I have that set too... Airline 62-197...(gloating ;) ) Mark Oppat "toxcrusadr" wrote in message news:1153509823.167952.61980@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Mark Oppat wrote: > > Yes, great great sets. WG was super stuff. > > > > Note the unique feature is the "Broad-Sharp" IF switch! > > > > Only Silvertone offered that in a medium price line besides WG made sets. > > .. Then, you have to get up into high end Philco, Scott or McMurdo or a > > comm recvr. > > > > Mark Oppat > > Thanks for that valuable trivia Mark. Most of us (well, certainly I) > would never know that stuff, having taken a much shorter swim in a much > shallower pool of radios. > > Whether the B-S switch will actually help with the wife factor is > questionable. I may have to turn on *my* BS swtich to get away with > this one. > > Tox > > Article: 337897 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Date: 21 Jul 2006 13:22:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1153513329.810700.248500@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> Sam, as you have seen, the schematic and voltage charts are on line . As mentioned, check the voltages as per the chart to see if they are in the ballpark . As mentioned, you should replace the electrolytics, noting that the negative ends are NOT grounded. Resistors can generally be up to 30% off nominal with little effect, as noted, but beyond that, consider replacing them since they are likely to continue drifting. With the voltage chart, calculate the dissipation in the resistor and see what the real dissipation is, since they often used much larger wattage than needed to counteract the likelyhood of the carbon resistor drifting. Not an issue with modern film resistors. Never use less than 1/2W modern resistors unless the voltage across them is less than about 200V. Modern 1/2W and above are usually rated for about 350V or more. The signal you see on the cathode of the 77 is the local oscillator [LO] and should change frequency with the tuning dial and be 460kHz above the dial setting [if your 'scope runs to a frequency counter]. Other than voltage/resistance charts, there is little other information on 'what should be where' since the normal service man [person] was expected to know this. If you are totally unfamiliar with the operation of tubes and tube circuits, RF circuits, detectors and AF amplifiers, then please read a good text from the late '30s - '40s to give you an accurate basic 'feel' for how these circuits work. It's not difficult to understand, but they are significantly different to Transistor circuits and operation in some respects. The trimmer caps on the back are generally very robust and, unless smashed, should only need a brushing with a stiff bristle brush [old toothbrush] BUT be careful not to damage the edges of the mica sheets sticking out from under the metal plates. Please come back with any question--there are a whole host of good answers on this group. Neil S. Samantha wrote: > First off, I should say that i am new to restoring old or antique radios. > This is my first attempt at it. By trade i am a Digital technician and am > use to troubleshooting and/or/not gates... That said... > > The phico is dead except for a very low hum that i can hear if i put my ear > to the speaker. > > 1) I have replaced the capacitors in the bakelight blocks. > > 2) I have not replaced ther resistors. They seem to be quite a bit out of > tollarance.. my first question.. Is this normal for these resistors to be so > far out of specification.. If so.. where do i find resistors to replace these > with.. There is one that seems to be a 3 watt carbon resistor at 16Kohm. > Where on earth do i find a three what carbon resistor? > > 3) looking at the circuit with a oscope.. I put a rf signal on the antenna > clip and started tracing the signal through the radio. I was able to get the > signal (though antenuated) to the first 77 Tubes Grid. > > 4) The catode of the first 77 tube showed what looked like ac noise at a > about 100 volts. It didnt resemble anything like the rf signal that was on > the grid. > > 5) I replaced the 77 Tube. No change. > > 6) Does anyone know where i can get a cheat sheet for this radio that shows > what signals should be on each of the pins of these tubes and maybe even wave > form shapes... ??? > > 7) The Tuneable capacitors that are on the back of the radio look to be in > bad shape.. anyone know where i could find a suitable replacement for these > as well? > > > okay.. i guess this is enough to start with.. I really appreciate you guys > looking over this and helping me out. Who knows.. I might actually make this > a hobby if i have any hair left after this radio... > > Thanks again.. > > S. Article: 337898 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Car radio ID needed Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:44:24 -0400 Message-ID: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> Ford 04BF 284253 What model/year is this from and where can one get information on car radios? Blacksmith wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 337899 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: New manufacture tube sets -- with tuning eye? Date: 21 Jul 2006 13:52:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1153515175.988819.227670@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1153139279.058558.305470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Steven wrote: > They had tractor radios at the auction 3 weeks ago...no I'm not > Larry/Cuhulin. Nowadays, aren't those essentially a solid-state car radio stuck in a loudspeaker cabinet? At least that's what the ones I've seen for sale on catalog supply houses look like. Check this out. http://www.mytscstore.com/images/productImages/prod_600_by_600/6022034.jpg They're expensive suckers too. A hundred bucks!!!!! Although it would probably make an Ok house radio too....just add a 12 volt ciggie plug and a DC power supply or a pair of alligator clips and a storage battery. ;) -- Stephanie Article: 337900 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Louis last night. Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:19:21 -0500 Message-ID: <23234-44C144D9-256@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <44BF2F5E.4A53FBBB@earthlink.net> WE HAD ANOTHER ONE ABOUT NOON TODAY. THE ELECTRIC CO. HAD AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON THAT SAID 450,000 OF MY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS WERE WITHOUT POWER. I DID NOT LOSE POWER THE FIRST TIME BUT I LOST IT FOR ABOUT 3 HOURS TODAY. TODAY THE EAST SIDE OF THE MISSISSIPPI CAUGHT HELL THERE ARE REPORTS OF REALLY BAD CONDITIONS WITH ALL TRAFFIC LIGHTS OUT, TREES LOSING A LOT OF LIMBS ETC. THERE ARE REPORTS OF LOTS OF TRUCKS COMING (25 FROM KANSAS CITY ALONE) ONE MAN REPORTED ELECTROCUTED AND ONE 93 YEAR OLD WOMEN DIED FOR LACK OF AIR CONDITIONING (NO POWER) CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337901 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <1153321262.284351.289890@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:25:28 GMT Thanks Neil, See reply below. Paul. "nesesu" wrote in message news:1153321262.284351.289890@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > Paul, ther is a normal 'leakage' from line to chassis through the RF > bypass capacitor and other stray capacitances such as the power > transformer primary winding, but at 60Hz these should be less than, > IIRC, 3 to 5 mA. See OOps below. The unit meets this criteria. > There is a 'body model' of series parallel resistance and capacitance > that has been mentioned here several times in the past, and it should > be connected from chassis to earth and the AC voltage measured across > that to see if the leakage is excessive. Open circuit with the non polarized plug in the worst case position the voltage was 117 (line volts). It was less when the plug was reversed the open circcuit voltage dropped. > There is some fault in your measurement since to see 73mA on 100,000 > ohms you would need 7300V !!! OOps!! Sorry! That is 73 volts across the 100k resistor yielding 730 mico amps. I felt the full 117 volts when I got zapped. There was no ground wire attached to ground and there was no resistor in series with the chassis to ground at that zap time. > Measure the DC resistance from both sides of the line cord [connected > together] to chassis to see if there is a 'galvanic' connection. That test showed inifity on the DVM. The > preferred method is to use a capacitor tester like the Heath C-3 types > set to measure leakage at 600V. There should be next to none. > I have an old cap checker that puts out 600 volts on the leakage test. I like that idea and will try it. I just would hope the primary winding insulation is good to 600 volts. > Neil S. > Article: 337902 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:33:31 GMT Pete, Please see below. Paul "> Yes. WHAT leakage current do you measure with NO capacitor? > "Phasing" the AC line to lessen the leakage current is a darn > good indicator of either resistive leakage between the primary > winding to the chassis, OR, even it is even possible to have > stray leakage to other windings on the transformer. I took the ohm meter and checked for shorts (all windings) to the Xfrmer's frame. Infinty ohms on all tests. But, I do not have a Megger. Nor do I properly know how to use one. When the cap is out of circuit the open circuit voltage is no higher than 20 volts. "Phasing" (I'm not sure that I am using the proper terminology of Phasing) the open circuit volts dropped to less than 10. The 0.01 uf Y2 type UL rated cap is clearely adding to the leakage. > 73 mA is enough to drop you dead. 5 mA can be deadly. > Do some other measurements to find where the problem > really is. See OOps in an earlier reply. It should be 730 mico amps. :~) > > BTW, the suggestion about using a polarized line cord > and having the bypass capacitor between neutral and > ground is excellent advice... IF the transformer is > good. That is exactly what I did. Since the non ploarized plug can go in any direction moving the cap to tne nuetral and adding the non vintage plug is a venial sin. I also instructed the owner to use the clip on ground. His house is old and has non ground outlets with equal in length receptical openings. > > Pete > Article: 337903 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <12bt4o15p8kt01d@corp.supernews.com> <12btfgcrgfpue7c@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Voltage on the chassis Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:35:29 GMT John, I goofed on the value. That is 730 micro amps. It still hurt. I too use the UL rated line caps. Paul. "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12btfgcrgfpue7c@corp.supernews.com... > > I see, it's the MILLIAMP part. Got it. > > John H. > Article: 337904 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave McClellan" References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:37:53 -0400 And if your oscillator coil is open, it is possible to replace it with a standard universal oscillator coil as sold by Antique Electronic Supply at www.tubesandmore.com rather than attempt to rewind it. But if you do rewind it, as Mark says, count turns as you remove the old winding and make sure you rewind it in the SAME DIRECTION as the original. See my repair notes on http://mcclellans.com/Philco32B.htm The Philco 59, 32, and 89 all use similar circuits. In my radio, the detector coil was ALSO open and was repaired. Dave "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > Samantha, > this set, and other Philco models of this era, commonly have an oscillator > coil that goes open. Its not too hard to fix, but it takes time. You > will need #34 or #36 ga enamelled wire. > > The coil is under a can near the center of the chassis. You can confirm its > open if you know how to trace out a circuit. Its about 18 turns, you can > hand wind it. Be SURE to wind the wire the same way as originally. When > done, I recommend coating it lightly with wax or silicone glue to secure it. > > Mark Oppat Article: 337905 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <9476-44BE6598-86@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> <12567-44C0D451-292@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Redirect - Dial scale covers? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:40:51 GMT Bill, I have been out of touch with your exact status of Dial scale covers. Are you still making the plastic dome style (e.g., Transoceanics)? Paul. Article: 337906 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 17:01:58 -0500 From: Bill Cohn Subject: Re: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) References: <12c278as6q0f26a@corp.supernews.com> <1153512552.669516.3760@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: AB9GO wrote: > "Subject to local sale." This is a bunch of crap! Is this guy > auctioning this radio or selling it? This is an AUCTION isn't it? I > will never bid on an item listed this way again. If the items final > bid is for a reasonable amount, it always seems to sell locally. Odd > isn't it! Ebay sould not allow this type of listing, but I see it all > the time. > > Randy > Where does it say that in the auction? I don't see it, did I miss something? Bill Cohn -N9MHT Article: 337907 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Beloved Leader" Subject: Re: Car radio ID needed Date: 21 Jul 2006 15:44:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1153521877.118450.4090@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> Blacksmith wrote: > Ford 04BF > 284253 04BF? I'm stumped. In the old Ford system of nomenclature, the first alphanumberic character in an item's identifier was a letter that identified the decade in which the item first went into production. "A" was the 1940s. "B" was the 1950s. "C" was the 1960s. Etc. The second character was anumber identifying the year in that decade. The third character was a letter identifying the car line in which the item appeared. A C6 transmission went into production in the sixties, 1966 to be specific. Something that was "C7A..." was a part that showed up in 1967 on the full-size ("A") car line - a Galaxie 500, LTD, and so forth. Moving right along, we have D for the 70s, F for the eighties, G for the nineties, and H for the aughties. Your number has me baffled. Sorry. Article: 337908 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: Redirect - Dial scale covers? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:21:21 -0500 Message-ID: <12567-44C16171-348@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: I CAN'T MAKE THEM ANY MORE, THE STROKE PUT A STOP TO THAT. I DO HOWEVER HAVE AVAILABLE A KIT OF PARTS TO MAKE THEM. IT INCLUDES SIX 6 1/2 X 6 1/2 MOLDS OF 5 PLY PLYWOOD, SIX DOUBLE PROTECTED PLASTIC THE SAME SIZE AND A SHEET OF INSTRUCTIONS AS I USED IN MAKING OVER 5000 OF THEM. $18.00 COMPLETE. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337909 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:07:29 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E6D671000DCEE50E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <1153509273.326616.35950@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:14:33 -0500, toxcrusadr wrote (in message <1153509273.326616.35950@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>): > > Samantha wrote: >> First off, I should say that i am new to restoring old or antique radios. >> This is my first attempt at it. > > Cool! Welcome. You will find a lot of help here (I have). I can > offer one or two suggestions and others will chime in. > > 1) Did you replace the electrolytic filter capacitors or only the > bakelite blocks? If not, you may not have any B+ voltage so, no > amplification. Those have to be replaced or you can blow out the power > transformer and rectifier tube. > > 2) You'll need a schematic with voltages listed for the various tube > pins. www.nostalgiaair.com is where I get a lot of mine. By checking > tube voltages, you can make sure everything is as it should be without > having to go to the o-scope. Most radios can be restored without ever > using a scope (not that it's not a helpful tool). > > 3) As far as resistors, you don't have to use carbon, and the wattage > can be higher as long as it's not lower. So a 5W of any type, and the > matching value, would be fine. It's generally accepted practice with > old radios to replace resistors when +/- 20% out of spec. > > That's what I can think of off the top of my small head. > > Tox > I did find a schematic on www.nostalgiaair.org, but sadly, for the philco 84 it had no voltages listed for the various stages of the Radio. again.. Thanks for your reply!! Article: 337910 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:13:19 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E6D7CF000E21180E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <12c2aovsab11835@corp.supernews.com> > If so.. where do i find resistors to replace these >> with.. There is one that seems to be a 3 watt carbon resistor at 16Kohm. >> Where on earth do i find a three what carbon resistor? > > Mouser.com, digikey.com, tubesandmore.com, > > Hosfelt.com has 2 watt 30K NTE resistors 2 for 95 cents that could be > paralleled. > > I just wanted to verify this with you. Kinda double checking my basic electronics here. If you put two resistors in series, (in this case 2 8K at 2 watts) the current would be the same as if it were going through the 3 watt 16K resistor. since p= i x e and the voltage would be halfed, (instead of dropping all the voltage across the 16K resistor, you would be dropping half the voltage across the 8K resistors) then the power would be half on each resistor. am i sane here? or am i talking gibberish? thanks! S. Article: 337911 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:14:24 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E6D810000E305A0E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <12c2aovsab11835@corp.supernews.com> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:29:34 -0500, Hagstar wrote Thanks for your reply!!! Article: 337912 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:15:00 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E6D834000E38D10E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <9cawg.848$An.660@fe11.lga> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:46:34 -0500, Tom Biasi wrote (in message <9cawg.848$An.660@fe11.lga>): > > "Samantha" wrote in message > news:0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com... >> First off, I should say that i am new to restoring old or antique radios. Thanks for your reply!! Article: 337913 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:16:03 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E6D873000E478C0E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:04:28 -0500, Mark Oppat wrote (in message <-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com>): > Samantha, > this set, and other Philco models of this era, commonly have an oscillator > coil that goes open. Its not too hard to fix, but it takes time. You > will need #34 or #36 ga enamelled wire. > > The coil is under a can near the center of the chassis. You can confirm its > open if you know how to trace out a circuit. Its about 18 turns, you can > hand wind it. Be SURE to wind the wire the same way as originally. When > done, I recommend coating it lightly with wax or silicone glue to secure it. > > Mark Oppat > > I will have to check out this coil and i will get back to you on its state! Thanks so much for your reply!!! S. Article: 337914 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:17:06 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E6D8B2000E56740E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 16:37:53 -0500, Dave McClellan wrote (in message ): I will have to check into this.. Thanks so much for your reply!! Article: 337915 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: Dave, it makes no sense to try to find an osc coil for this when its so simple to rewind this.. note I said its only about 18 turns of wire. You will not find any modern osc coil to replace this. The impedances and mounting styles of the old ones were quite different than the modern types. It only takes me about hour and a half to do one. Mark Oppat "Dave McClellan" wrote in message news:dRbwg.8619$8Y2.5338@fe03.lga... > And if your oscillator coil is open, it is possible to replace it with a > standard universal oscillator coil as sold by Antique Electronic Supply at > www.tubesandmore.com rather than attempt to rewind it. But if you do rewind > it, as Mark says, count turns as you remove the old winding and make sure > you rewind it in the SAME DIRECTION as the original. > > See my repair notes on http://mcclellans.com/Philco32B.htm > > The Philco 59, 32, and 89 all use similar circuits. In my radio, the > detector coil was ALSO open and was repaired. > > Dave > > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > news:-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Samantha, > > this set, and other Philco models of this era, commonly have an oscillator > > coil that goes open. Its not too hard to fix, but it takes time. You > > will need #34 or #36 ga enamelled wire. > > > > The coil is under a can near the center of the chassis. You can confirm > its > > open if you know how to trace out a circuit. Its about 18 turns, you can > > hand wind it. Be SURE to wind the wire the same way as originally. When > > done, I recommend coating it lightly with wax or silicone glue to secure > it. > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > From adouglasatgis.net Sat Jul 22 13:45:44 EDT 2006 Article: 337916 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:42:54 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $19.95 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> <44C15D1A.FF88AE91@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-024.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!pln-w!spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news3 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:337916 Hi, Mark wrote: >If you read the old literature as I have, you will see they were fighting >noise created IN the homes by the (at the time) more primitive appliances, Spot on. Any appliance with a universal motor, like a vacuum cleaner, generated lots of line noise. Even I can remember my mother's Sunbeam Mixmaster (which had a centrifugal circuit-breaking speed control) tearing up the living-room TV. And many refrigerators in the 1930s had repulsion-induction motors which created noise when starting up. Thermostatic heaters often had slow-breaking switches which arced. In the cities electric trolley lines were notorious for causing RFI (which might have coupled into parallel power lines). Alan Article: 337917 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Biasi" References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <12c2aovsab11835@corp.supernews.com> <0001HW.C0E6D7CF000E21180E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:10:29 -0400 "Samantha" wrote in message news:0001HW.C0E6D7CF000E21180E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com... > >> If so.. where do i find resistors to replace these >>> with.. There is one that seems to be a 3 watt carbon resistor at 16Kohm. >>> Where on earth do i find a three what carbon resistor? >> >> Mouser.com, digikey.com, tubesandmore.com, >> >> Hosfelt.com has 2 watt 30K NTE resistors 2 for 95 cents that could be >> paralleled. >> >> > > > I just wanted to verify this with you. Kinda double checking my basic > electronics here. > > If you put two resistors in series, (in this case 2 8K at 2 watts) the > current would be the same as if it were going through the 3 watt 16K > resistor. > since p= i x e and the voltage would be halfed, (instead of dropping all > the > voltage across the 16K resistor, you would be dropping half the voltage > across the 8K resistors) then the power would be half on each resistor. > > am i sane here? or am i talking gibberish? > > thanks! > > S. > You are not talking gibberish. Two 8K resistors in series will be the same as a 16 K resistor. The voltage will divide according to the current and the resistance. The current will be the same in a series circuit, if the resistance is the same the voltage will divide evenly. Since P=E x I and the current is the same each resistor need only dissipate half the total power. Tom Article: 337918 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Date: 21 Jul 2006 18:36:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1153532188.623183.248510@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> Sam, table 1 on page two has the voltage chart. Neil S. Samantha wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:14:33 -0500, toxcrusadr wrote > (in message <1153509273.326616.35950@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>): > > > > > Samantha wrote: > >> First off, I should say that i am new to restoring old or antique radios. > >> This is my first attempt at it. > > > > Cool! Welcome. You will find a lot of help here (I have). I can > > offer one or two suggestions and others will chime in. > > > > 1) Did you replace the electrolytic filter capacitors or only the > > bakelite blocks? If not, you may not have any B+ voltage so, no > > amplification. Those have to be replaced or you can blow out the power > > transformer and rectifier tube. > > > > 2) You'll need a schematic with voltages listed for the various tube > > pins. www.nostalgiaair.com is where I get a lot of mine. By checking > > tube voltages, you can make sure everything is as it should be without > > having to go to the o-scope. Most radios can be restored without ever > > using a scope (not that it's not a helpful tool). > > > > 3) As far as resistors, you don't have to use carbon, and the wattage > > can be higher as long as it's not lower. So a 5W of any type, and the > > matching value, would be fine. It's generally accepted practice with > > old radios to replace resistors when +/- 20% out of spec. > > > > That's what I can think of off the top of my small head. > > > > Tox > > > > I did find a schematic on www.nostalgiaair.org, but sadly, for the philco 84 > it had no voltages listed for the various stages of the Radio. > > again.. Thanks for your reply!! Article: 337919 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lee Babcock Subject: Re: This newsgroup References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <44c181f5_3@x-privat.org> Date: 22 Jul 2006 03:40:05 +0200 pgonshor@aol.com wrote: > I came across a beautiful hutch recently. I wasn't sure if it was > antique, but I really liked it so I bought it. I wanted to find out > just how old it was, so I posted an inquiry on the antiques newsgroup. > I got one genuine reply right off, which wasn't very helpful. It was > followed by a dozen (stopped looking after a short while) of very > profane and vulgar responses. You don't know how good we have it in > this newsgroup. Sorta makes the past battles worth it. Just thought > you'd like to know. > Dave > That NG has been under attack for a few weeks now by trolls trying to destroy the NG> They are very good at stealing identities and posting in real users name. We are ignoring them and as always, they will go away. Regards Lee Article: 337920 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: ATTN: Whoever bought the Silvertone Tombstone 1965 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 01:43:17 GMT This is a full set of guts ... chassis .. rusty but all there.. speaker looks good.. and all the knobs are there... dial looks good.... or if ya can't get the above link to work... its fleabay item number 270009769411 wish I had a box to put that one in.. John k9uwa Article: 337921 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12c278as6q0f26a@corp.supernews.com> <1153512552.669516.3760@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:59:39 -0400 Message-ID: RAndy, there is no "local sale" clause in the listing... where did you get that? Mark Oppat "AB9GO" wrote in message news:1153512552.669516.3760@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > "Subject to local sale." This is a bunch of crap! Is this guy > auctioning this radio or selling it? This is an AUCTION isn't it? I > will never bid on an item listed this way again. If the items final > bid is for a reasonable amount, it always seems to sell locally. Odd > isn't it! Ebay sould not allow this type of listing, but I see it all > the time. > > Randy > > Hagstar wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Oppat" > > > > > > > > Hagstar... this ones got YOU written on it! > > > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT I no longer attend Rochester, and I would guess from his history that > > historee4u has the Reserve set around $200- which might be worth it to a WG > > collector but not I. A beat up console is still a beat up console, 12 tubes > > or no, when you have a dozen already needing attention in the queue. > > > > I'd bid on this console in a heartbeat though if it were *only* poorly > > described and > > photographed and "pick up only" in Washington, NH. All this knowledge and ad > > copy results in a hefty premium for the seller without changing the radio. > > I'm one of those people who'd rather notice it was a high end set myself > > from the > > blurry photos than have to pay an expert salesperson to waste our time and > > my > > money. Also I generally charge $10- to $20- maximum for swap meet deliveries > > myself. > > > > Mark will now post I am missing out on life for being so cheap. NO, people > > who use things like Reserves and high delivery fees are cheap. > > > > John H. > > Article: 337922 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> <44C15D1A.FF88AE91@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 22:16:16 -0400 Message-ID: <7-ydnbonrLlYFFzZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Michael, dont be a jerk. Read Alan Douglas' post that follows. I didnt insult you and I'd appreciate if you dont for me. Your reply misses the very point Alan reinforces. We have read the historic resources that back us up. You have space experience, but dont indicate where you have done time travel. Boy, those streetcars sure made static, didnt they? Oh, and how many houses did a "local" transformer handle? Wow. 4 streets! Mrs. Wilson's sparky Maytag at 123 Elm got all the way over to Mr Thompson's Fada at 425 Maple? You dont say. I can dish the sarcasm, but I dont, I like to stay on topic. Mark Oppat "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44C15D1A.FF88AE91@earthlink.net... > Mark Oppat wrote: > > > > Michael, > > > > You are addressing industrial concerns more than residential. Most > > residential grids do not have huge noise problems, at least in my experience > > in Michigan . I used to have a factory at the end of my street that made > > noise, too, when it was running certain machines. That is fairly rare for > > most residential areas. > > > > If you read the old literature as I have, you will see they were fighting > > noise created IN the homes by the (at the time) more primative appliances, > > in addition to noise from the less regulated and more primative industrial > > applications. > > > > I still say JR's statement is misleading. As are others on that site about > > this topic. > > > > Mark Oppat > > > OK Mark. What the hell do I know anyway? You have a one man > operation that fixes old radios for a living, while I worked with > hundereds of others to build modern communications equipment to put into > space. Excuse me for living. Post whatever crap you want people to > beleive on your website. > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida > Article: 337923 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: 21 Jul 2006 19:18:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1153534712.852103.188650@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Lee Babcock wrote: > pgonshor@aol.com wrote: > > I came across a beautiful hutch recently. I wasn't sure if it was > > antique, but I really liked it so I bought it. I wanted to find out > > just how old it was, so I posted an inquiry on the antiques newsgroup. > > I got one genuine reply right off, which wasn't very helpful. It was > > followed by a dozen (stopped looking after a short while) of very > > profane and vulgar responses. You don't know how good we have it in > > this newsgroup. Sorta makes the past battles worth it. Just thought > > you'd like to know. > > Dave > > > That NG has been under attack for a few weeks now by trolls trying to > destroy the NG> > They are very good at stealing identities and posting in real users name. > We are ignoring them and as always, they will go away. > Regards > Lee Try about two years but did ya notice a certain pair are gone? Don't jinx it! Article: 337924 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Car radio ID needed Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:40:53 GMT Okay, here's the verdict -- although others have pretty much pinned it down already. The first digit, zero, is the model year. Yes, it could mean 1950, 60, or 70, but it's pretty easy to tell what decade it was made. In this case it's a 1960. The 4 means it has 4 tubes. That doesn't seem like many, until you realize this is a hybrid radio, with transistorized audio and no vibrator. The B means it's a Bendix. An M would mean Motorola, Z is Zenith, P is Philco, S is Sylvania, and D is Delco -- yes, Delco made a few radios for Ford products. The F means it's for a Ford -- namely, a full-size Ford, such as a Galaxie or Crown Vic. Other letter designations are T for truck, M for Mercury (full size), Z for Mustang, S for Thunderbird, C for Lincoln, and O for Fairlane. So the 04BF is a Bendix 4-tube hybrid radio for a 1960 full size Ford. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com... > Ford 04BF > 284253 > > What model/year is this from and where can one get information on car > radios? > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 337925 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1153428615.823835.294950@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 03:00:28 GMT Scott W. Harvey wrote: > As other posters have mentioned, I would replace it with an AC rated cap > because it is specifically designed not to fail spectacularly if it > malfunctions. Speaking of which, this afternoon I was re-capping a 1945 Motorola table radio. The 0.01 mF capacitor across the AC line had blown the end off of itself when it failed. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337926 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> <1153501120.643920.278540@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 03:04:14 GMT toxcrusadr wrote: > I don't know how we'd judge pre-WWII conditions from here in a relative > way, because "lots of noise" could mean anything. Predominately, it meant noise from buzzer type appliances such as electric razors, and arcing brushes from universal motors in vacuum cleaners and small kitchen appliances. Both were particularly noisy. And there were plenty of "noise filter" accessories for sale to stop the noise before it rode into you radio via the power line. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337927 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dennis Daly" References: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Reverse Murphy's Law Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 03:38:55 GMT "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com... > I Needed a Power Tranny for a 12 Tube Zenith 790 > > > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/286/M0025286.pdf > > And I got this one on the 'Bay- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330005388927 > > > John H. > Good fer ya, Yonny! 'Bout time you got that 770 fired up.....What has it been.....2-3 years? Den Article: 337928 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Caps Needed Date: 21 Jul 2006 20:48:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1153540128.722880.203920@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Anyone know where I can find .15 mfd caps at over 200v? Thanks, GB Article: 337929 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 00:03:44 -0400 Message-ID: <12c38t2kogi7t78@corp.supernews.com> References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <0001HW.C0E6D8B2000E56740E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> Dear Samantha, The individual replies are very touching, but you'll likely be surprised to learn you might be the first person to do this in the 20 year history of Usenet, in my observation. A singlehearty "thanks to everyone" would be plenty :) I bet Mark is right, of the three of these I've fixed 2 had an open oscillator coil. John H. Article: 337930 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 00:06:51 -0400 Message-ID: <12c392tkf44g1fb@corp.supernews.com> References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <12c2aovsab11835@corp.supernews.com> <0001HW.C0E6D7CF000E21180E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> You could do it either way. John H. Article: 337931 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Reverse Murphy's Law Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 00:23:43 -0400 Message-ID: <12c3a2hb7o2qkc5@corp.supernews.com> References: <12bt8q6e1usenf8@corp.supernews.com> "Dennis Daly" wrote in message news:j5hwg.752$uH6.670@twister.nyroc.rr.com... > > 'Bout time you got that 770 fired up.....What has it been.....2-3 years? > Shoot Den, that ain't nuthin' ! Here we repair no set before its time, like Gallo. John h. Article: 337932 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Need schematic for Zenith 6G501 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:38:35 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1153499878.955594.267100@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Phil Nelson wrote: > Check out Nostalgia Air: > > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/458/T0000458.htm > My site has it also: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org/schematics/41/41_Zenith_6G501L_176.djvu -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 337933 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44C1C5BB.6EC98959@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Caps Needed References: <1153540128.722880.203920@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 06:29:54 GMT RadioGary wrote: > > Anyone know where I can find .15 mfd caps at over 200v? > > Thanks, > > GB http://www.alltronics.com/cgi-bin/category/108 to start with. Google is a wonderful tool to find parts by description. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 337934 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 5:51:50 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E76D7600314A48119E2020@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <1153509273.326616.35950@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <0001HW.C0E6D671000DCEE50E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> <1153532188.623183.248510@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:36:28 -0500, nesesu wrote (in message <1153532188.623183.248510@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>): > Sam, table 1 on page two has the voltage chart. > Okay, I see the chart on Page 1.. I will check the voltages in the morning. But for Now, i have a feeling that the osc coil is bad. I dont know if it would be causing those problems right at the first dector tube. But since it is broken (or suspected broken, I need to investigate further). I think I should repair that first and then see if there are any changes upstream of it. Thanks again Article: 337935 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 5:54:20 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E76E0C00316D60119E2020@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <12c2aovsab11835@corp.supernews.com> <0001HW.C0E6D7CF000E21180E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:10:29 -0500, Tom Biasi wrote (in message ): > You are not talking gibberish. Two 8K resistors in series will be the same > as a 16 K resistor. The voltage will divide according to the current and the > resistance. > The current will be the same in a series circuit, if the resistance is the > same the voltage will divide evenly. Since P=E x I and the current is the > same each resistor need only dissipate half the total power. > Tom > > Okay.. Thanks so much.. Let me check this osc coil tomorrow and see what I come up with.. I suspect that its bad (I can only get continuity on one of the post to ground. THe other two post to ground shows an open) So I suspect that should be my first repair and then see if the stuff upstream changes. Article: 337936 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 5:54:56 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E76E30003175F3119E2020@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <12c2aovsab11835@corp.supernews.com> <0001HW.C0E6D7CF000E21180E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> <12c392tkf44g1fb@corp.supernews.com> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:06:51 -0500, Hagstar wrote (in message <12c392tkf44g1fb@corp.supernews.com>): > You could do it either way. > > John H. > > Thanks! Article: 337937 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 5:56:15 -0500 From: Samantha Message-ID: <0001HW.C0E76E7F0031887F119E2020@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <0001HW.C0E6D8B2000E56740E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> <12c38t2kogi7t78@corp.supernews.com> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:03:44 -0500, Hagstar wrote (in message <12c38t2kogi7t78@corp.supernews.com>): > Dear Samantha, > > The individual replies are very touching, but you'll likely be surprised to > learn you might be the first person to do this in the 20 year history of > Usenet, in my observation. A singlehearty "thanks to everyone" would be > plenty :) > > I bet Mark is right, of the three of these I've fixed 2 had an open > oscillator coil. > > John H. > > LOL.. Okay.. From Now on I will try to keep it down to one Posting for all.. Thanks! Article: 337938 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:43:14 -0400 Don't work on auto sets often, so I was wondering if they had any special IF can problems. This is a 1948 Mopar 804, the 1st IF will almost but not quite peak, either side. 2nd is ok. The slugs are maxed in (cw) on both sides, but at this time don't know if it's max or min inductance. They are the minature 455kc cans. Any silver migration probs in this vintage? Ken Article: 337939 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AB9GO" Subject: Re: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) Date: 22 Jul 2006 05:32:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1153571531.224985.276470@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > RAndy, there is no "local sale" clause in the listing... where did you get > that? > > Mark Oppat > > > "AB9GO" wrote in message > news:1153512552.669516.3760@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > "Subject to local sale." This is a bunch of crap! Is this guy > > auctioning this radio or selling it? This is an AUCTION isn't it? I > > will never bid on an item listed this way again. If the items final > > bid is for a reasonable amount, it always seems to sell locally. Odd > > isn't it! Ebay sould not allow this type of listing, but I see it all > > the time. > > > > Randy > > > > Hagstar wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mark Oppat" > > > > > > > > > > > Hagstar... this ones got YOU written on it! > > > > > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT I no longer attend Rochester, and I would guess from his history > that > > > historee4u has the Reserve set around $200- which might be worth it to a > WG > > > collector but not I. A beat up console is still a beat up console, 12 > tubes > > > or no, when you have a dozen already needing attention in the queue. > > > > > > I'd bid on this console in a heartbeat though if it were *only* poorly > > > described and > > > photographed and "pick up only" in Washington, NH. All this knowledge > and ad > > > copy results in a hefty premium for the seller without changing the > radio. > > > I'm one of those people who'd rather notice it was a high end set myself > > > from the > > > blurry photos than have to pay an expert salesperson to waste our time > and > > > my > > > money. Also I generally charge $10- to $20- maximum for swap meet > deliveries > > > myself. > > > > > > Mark will now post I am missing out on life for being so cheap. NO, > people > > > who use things like Reserves and high delivery fees are cheap. > > > > > > John H. > > > > Article: 337940 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AB9GO" Subject: Re: 12 tube Coronado (Wells-Gardner) Date: 22 Jul 2006 05:32:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1153571553.396013.318900@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: I thought it was on the original WG auction if not sorry for the confusion. I was looking at some of his other auctions and I noticed the phrase does exist in his auctions, look @ this item 190010883942. "1940 ZENITH 8 tube 3 band floor console radio Model 8s463. Presentable used condition. Subject to local sale. " I copied and pasted this >from his auction as I am typing this reply. I see some of the descriptons have been revised and "Subject to local sale." is now missing. Maybe he reads this news group. Randy. p.s. I have nothing against this seller, but I hate that the "Subject to local sale." practice that seems to be gaining more than a foothold on Ebay and I have been burned personally on it twice now. It should not be permitted. Mark Oppat wrote: > RAndy, there is no "local sale" clause in the listing... where did you get > that? > > Mark Oppat > > > "AB9GO" wrote in message > news:1153512552.669516.3760@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > "Subject to local sale." This is a bunch of crap! Is this guy > > auctioning this radio or selling it? This is an AUCTION isn't it? I > > will never bid on an item listed this way again. If the items final > > bid is for a reasonable amount, it always seems to sell locally. Odd > > isn't it! Ebay sould not allow this type of listing, but I see it all > > the time. > > > > Randy > > > > Hagstar wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mark Oppat" > > > > > > > > > > > Hagstar... this ones got YOU written on it! > > > > > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT I no longer attend Rochester, and I would guess from his history > that > > > historee4u has the Reserve set around $200- which might be worth it to a > WG > > > collector but not I. A beat up console is still a beat up console, 12 > tubes > > > or no, when you have a dozen already needing attention in the queue. > > > > > > I'd bid on this console in a heartbeat though if it were *only* poorly > > > described and > > > photographed and "pick up only" in Washington, NH. All this knowledge > and ad > > > copy results in a hefty premium for the seller without changing the > radio. > > > I'm one of those people who'd rather notice it was a high end set myself > > > from the > > > blurry photos than have to pay an expert salesperson to waste our time > and > > > my > > > money. Also I generally charge $10- to $20- maximum for swap meet > deliveries > > > myself. > > > > > > Mark will now post I am missing out on life for being so cheap. NO, > people > > > who use things like Reserves and high delivery fees are cheap. > > > > > > John H. > > > > Article: 337941 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem Message-ID: <1%owg.489$2u4.204@trnddc06> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:38:21 GMT What you've got is a classic bad IF. Whether it be silver mica disease or whatever the exact cause, car components have a way of going bad in a worse way than home radios -- probably because of increased exposure to the elements. I don't know if the caps are in the base, or discrete, but your best bet may be to open up the can and replace them. If in the base, you can carefully cut the pin with a dremel tool, run the coil wire down and solder it to the lower part of the pin, and install a 20pf cap underneath. Meanwhile, is it an input of output IF that's bad? Who knows -- in the course of my cleaning the shop there's a chance I might find one here. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Ken" wrote in message news:Ibowg.2170$5H.1090@dukeread06... > Don't work on auto sets often, so I was wondering if they had any special > IF can problems. This is a 1948 Mopar 804, the 1st IF will almost but not > quite peak, either side. 2nd is ok. The slugs are maxed in (cw) on both > sides, but at this time don't know if it's max or min inductance. They are > the minature 455kc cans. Any silver migration probs in this vintage? Ken > Article: 337942 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <0001HW.C0E68E4E0091CDA911B03690@news.comcast.giganews.com> <-p6dnYeonJU_r1zZnZ2dnUVZ_u2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <0001HW.C0E6D8B2000E56740E101620@news.comcast.giganews.com> <12c38t2kogi7t78@corp.supernews.com> <0001HW.C0E76E7F0031887F119E2020@news.comcast.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 12:41:50 GMT Mr. Hagstar -- SHHHH! Samantha is being extremely courteous and appreciative of the advice we're giving her. Others on this list -- take note! Sam, keep up the good work, and keep us informed of your progress. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Samantha" wrote in message news:0001HW.C0E76E7F0031887F119E2020@news.comcast.giganews.com... > On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:03:44 -0500, Hagstar wrote > (in message <12c38t2kogi7t78@corp.supernews.com>): > >> Dear Samantha, >> >> The individual replies are very touching, but you'll likely be surprised >> to >> learn you might be the first person to do this in the 20 year history of >> Usenet, in my observation. A singlehearty "thanks to everyone" would be >> plenty :) >> >> I bet Mark is right, of the three of these I've fixed 2 had an open >> oscillator coil. >> >> John H. >> >> > > LOL.. Okay.. From Now on I will try to keep it down to one Posting for > all.. > > Thanks! > Article: 337943 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: Redirect - Dial scale covers? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 09:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <4ua4c2p0gu28ueft3ola26thlqj04k6to0@4ax.com> References: <9476-44BE6598-86@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> <12567-44C0D451-292@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:40:51 GMT, "Paul P" wrote: >Bill, > >I have been out of touch with your exact status of Dial scale covers. Are >you still making the plastic dome style (e.g., Transoceanics)? > >Paul. > When everyone else went out of the dial cover business I picked it up. I am making covers of all types with some good success - at least the buyers are happy. You can order from www.anatekcorp.com/dialcovers/dialcovers.htm Do not be dismayed if you do not see your cover listed. I am building my supply of molds as I go. I can work from a sketch of the opening and a description of the shape.. Most transactions are credit card but I do not charge your card until you receive your cover and are happy with it. John AnaTek Corporation The Electronic Repair Center at www.anatekcorp.com Article: 337944 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem References: <1%owg.489$2u4.204@trnddc06> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:00:58 -0400 Gary, it's the first IF, right off the plate of the first det. Yep, I finally got a "chance" to look at this 48 De Sota set. This guy is driving it up the coast to Boston this fall and has bought three of these sets trying to find a repairable one. This one has a dead RF circuit, tube chg doesn't help, and I believe a weak osc. I can pick up one station, the strongest in town, only by connecting the ant to the 1st det grid. But with the sig gen at full output I can get a sig across the band going in on the ant input. If the first IF caps are open, maybe the old gimmic cap trick might work. Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > What you've got is a classic bad IF. Whether it be silver mica disease or > whatever the exact cause, car components have a way of going bad in a worse > way than home radios -- probably because of increased exposure to the > elements. > > I don't know if the caps are in the base, or discrete, but your best bet may > be to open up the can and replace them. If in the base, you can carefully > cut the pin with a dremel tool, run the coil wire down and solder it to the > lower part of the pin, and install a 20pf cap underneath. Meanwhile, is it > an input of output IF that's bad? Who knows -- in the course of my cleaning > the shop there's a chance I might find one here. > > > Article: 337945 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem Date: 22 Jul 2006 08:45:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1153583132.233838.146710@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Dumb question, Ken, but are the IFs 455kHz or 256kHz as quite a few auto radios were? I had a problem just like you describe tuning a radio IF, and it turned out the IF frequency given in the data sheet was wrong and was near the second harmonic of the correct IF frequency, but the range of the tuning allowed the IF to appear to almost peak but not quite. Neil S. Ken wrote: > Don't work on auto sets often, so I was wondering if they had any > special IF can problems. This is a 1948 Mopar 804, the 1st IF will > almost but not quite peak, either side. 2nd is ok. The slugs are maxed > in (cw) on both sides, but at this time don't know if it's max or min > inductance. They are the minature 455kc cans. Any silver migration probs > in this vintage? Ken Article: 337946 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: I HAVE THREE 4 PIN TO WD-II ADAPTER AVAILABLE Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:41:49 -0500 Message-ID: <15416-44C2554D-406@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> ALLOWS USE OF #30 ETC IN PLACE OF A WD-II. $10.00 EACH. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337947 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: Redirect - Dial scale covers? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:46:50 -0500 Message-ID: <15416-44C2567A-407@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <4ua4c2p0gu28ueft3ola26thlqj04k6to0@4ax.com> I DID NOT "GO OUT OF THE DIAL COVER BUSINESS", I HAD A STROKE AND HAVE VERY LITTLE USE OF MY LEFT HAND. THE COST OF $3.00 EACH IS QUITE A BIT CHEAPER THAN EITHER MY PREVIOUS PRICE OR YOUR CURRENT PRICE. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337948 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem References: <1%owg.489$2u4.204@trnddc06> <%Frwg.1183$fL3.8@trnddc07> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:14:55 -0400 I might do that if we agree on it, he has the other two sets. Nesesu had a good idea, could the IF be 256kc instead of 455kc? The diag says 455kc, but I remember some auto sets were lower. Are the diags usually correct? Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > This might sound silly, but if you have three radios why not pull the input > IF from one of the others and install it in this one? > > > Article: 337949 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem References: <1%owg.489$2u4.204@trnddc06> <%Frwg.1183$fL3.8@trnddc07> Message-ID: <1iuwg.2411$5H.1912@dukeread06> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 14:39:35 -0400 Gary, how do you rig an antenna, string a wire or use a car type? Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > This might sound silly, but if you have three radios why not pull the input > IF from one of the others and install it in this one? > > > Article: 337950 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: ATTN: Whoever bought the Silvertone Tombstone 1965 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:05:30 -0400 Message-ID: <0cc2997e8593ab510b5f53649f1db9de@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> References: This is a full set of guts ... chassis .. rusty but all there.. speaker looks good.. and all the knobs are there... dial looks good.... **Last week I won a Silvertone 1955 missing spkr and some tube shields- tnx for the heads-up. -Pete O. Article: 337951 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Caps Needed Date: 22 Jul 2006 12:05:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1153595112.399412.173250@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153540128.722880.203920@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> JustRadios lists then in several forms. Neil S, RadioGary wrote: > Anyone know where I can find .15 mfd caps at over 200v? > > > Thanks, > > GB Article: 337952 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: John Bachman Subject: Re: Redirect - Dial scale covers? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:41:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4ua4c2p0gu28ueft3ola26thlqj04k6to0@4ax.com> <15416-44C2567A-407@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:46:50 -0500, dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) wrote: >I DID NOT "GO OUT OF THE DIAL COVER BUSINESS", I HAD A STROKE AND HAVE >VERY LITTLE USE OF MY LEFT HAND. THE COST OF $3.00 EACH IS QUITE A BIT >CHEAPER THAN EITHER MY PREVIOUS PRICE OR YOUR CURRENT PRICE. > Sorry, Bill. I should have been more specific. I meant that you and others were no longer making reproduction dial covers and so I stepped into the void. No offense intended. Your do-it-yourself kits should be useful to those who want to take a crack at it. I also offer sheets of plastic in various thicknesses. John AnaTek Corporation The Electronic Repair Center at www.anatekcorp.com Article: 337953 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Solomon Subject: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:16:38 GMT I was just wondering if anyone knows what's so special about this radio. Personally, I would probably walk right by it at a flea market, even if it was marked at $5 http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Two-Tone-Gray-Zenith-500H-Transistor-Radio_W0QQitemZ150011382139QQihZ005QQcategoryZ932QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Article: 337954 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 13:26:44 -0700 Message-ID: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> Ridiculous. Not even an early Zenith, not to mention undesirable colors. Check the bid history. I think you're looking at two pinheads (or resellers) who got carried away. Phil Nelson Article: 337955 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: ATTN: Whoever bought the Silvertone Tombstone 1965 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <0cc2997e8593ab510b5f53649f1db9de@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> Message-ID: <%4wwg.850764$084.269534@attbi_s22> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:42:35 GMT In article <0cc2997e8593ab510b5f53649f1db9de@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com>, stateasylum@private says... > > >This is a full set of guts ... chassis .. rusty but all there.. speaker >looks good.. and all the knobs are there... dial looks good.... > >**Last week I won a Silvertone 1955 missing spkr and some tube shields- >tnx for the heads-up. -Pete O. > Hi Pete .... if you win this auction and don't need the knobs... I could give them a home for a Silvertone I have here.. John k9uwa Article: 337956 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "michaeljpro" Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: 22 Jul 2006 13:57:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Phil Nelson wrote: > Ridiculous. Not even an early Zenith, not to mention undesirable colors. > > Check the bid history. I think you're looking at two pinheads (or resellers) > who got carried away. > > Phil Nelson The 500H is considered to be one of the best performing and sounding "pocket" transistor radios of it's time. This model is early 60's and the two tone colour is the most uncommon to find. It also came in black and ivory. However, even a fine specimen should only fetch up to $100 if it has the leather case, earphones etc. I bought a black one for $10.00 and it really is an impressive set. This auction is ridiculous. Now a bunch of antique "dealers" and Ebay sellers will think they hit the jackpot if they find one at a yard sale. Article: 337957 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:51:26 -0500 Message-ID: <12568-44C28FCE-103@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153445450.232877.119300@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> I won't lie,I cuss out fed govt and all politicians with a pink purple passion.But in internet news groups,I try to behave meself. cuhulin Article: 337958 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: Redirect - Dial scale covers? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 16:40:18 -0500 Message-ID: <23235-44C29B42-86@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: NO OFFENSE TAKEN. MY PLASTIC IS OF THE DOUBLE SIDE PROTECTED TYPE, INTENDED FOR MOLDING, NOT THE TYPE NORMALLY SOLD IN HOBBY STORES. ITS THICKNESS IS A STANDARD .020, AND IT MAKES EVERYTHING UP TO 12" X 12", WHICH IS FAR IN EXCESS OF ANYTHING NEEDED IN MAKING A DIAL COVER. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 337959 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> <1153501120.643920.278540@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:10:36 GMT There were also streetcars that were a double whammy - noise in electric grid (the traction company WAS the electric company in many towns) and noise in the antenna from arcing pickups and the fields from the lines. Them new-fangled fluorescent lights of the day were a problem too. The old ones used starters and the ballasts were big field generators. Some were around into the 50s and 60s and were hell on AM around them. Universal motors were used in everything until the mid-30s. They were common in fans into the 40s. Some had governors to add to the noise. If there was a theater near you (and there probably was back then) you got another noisy bonus - arc lamps and heavy universal motors. And neon lights were everywhere! In later years suppression was added to these things. It not only helped improve reception but lowered wear on the motor commutators and brushes. But it was a very noisy world back then. Radio books were filled with discussions of it and there were hundreds of devices for lines and antennas to try to deal with it. Some old films and cartoons made fun of the problems and everyone, especially in cities Today's noise may bother us but it can't hold a candle to the annoyance it was to our sets' original owners. Ray "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:OAgwg.17731$MF6.13414@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > toxcrusadr wrote: >> I don't know how we'd judge pre-WWII conditions from here in a relative >> way, because "lots of noise" could mean anything. > > Predominately, it meant noise from buzzer type appliances such as > electric razors, and arcing brushes from universal motors in vacuum > cleaners and small kitchen appliances. > > Both were particularly noisy. > > And there were plenty of "noise filter" accessories for sale to > stop the noise before it rode into you radio via the power line. > > Jeff > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 337960 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 15:25:06 -0700 Message-ID: > two tone colour is the most uncommon to find. Maybe so, but gray radios are still b-o-r-i-n-g. No doubt the reason why few people chose that color in the first place. Not everything that's rare is valuable. I frequently get email from visitors to my website who assume that their radio is some glorious treasure because they can't find any mention of it in a quick Google search. In most cases, it's a cheap, off-brand or "no-name" set that nobody in his right mind would waste time writing about. You got a good deal for $10. I own a couple of older Zenith transistors and enjoy them. You would have to have a screw loose to spend several hundred dollars for even the nicest one, tho'. Just my $0.02 :-) Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 337961 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:29:07 GMT Are you certain they're 455KC? Many car radios of the day used 256KC like tube portables. It would explain the symptom too. You can "almost" tune them at one extreme, depending on the design of the set but you're WAY off because you're tuning a harmonic. Try again at 256kHz and see what happens. Do them all, even the one that did peak. Ray "Ken" wrote in message news:Ibowg.2170$5H.1090@dukeread06... > Don't work on auto sets often, so I was wondering if they had any special > IF can problems. This is a 1948 Mopar 804, the 1st IF will almost but not > quite peak, either side. 2nd is ok. The slugs are maxed in (cw) on both > sides, but at this time don't know if it's max or min inductance. They are > the minature 455kc cans. Any silver migration probs in this vintage? Ken > Article: 337962 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Rune" References: Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Message-ID: <3Kxwg.737$AK.89@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:34:39 GMT Interesting set. Had a strange speaker with a seriously off-center VC, if I recall correctly. Good players but not worth anywhere near a large fraction of that. Ray "Solomon" wrote in message news:nr15c2toqh2endquqioo08nl39vc0iv4qa@4ax.com... >I was just wondering if anyone knows what's so special about this > radio. Personally, I would probably walk right by it at a flea market, > even if it was marked at $5 > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Two-Tone-Gray-Zenith-500H-Transistor-Radio_W0QQitemZ150011382139QQihZ005QQcategoryZ932QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Article: 337963 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Ed M" References: <1153583132.233838.146710@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:01:08 -0400 Message-ID: Sams set 67, folder 12 indicates 455KHz. Also says that while peaking the IF's, the dial should be set so the tuning slugs are all the way out. Let me know if you need a copy of the schematic. "nesesu" wrote in message news:1153583132.233838.146710@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Dumb question, Ken, but are the IFs 455kHz or 256kHz as quite a few > auto radios were? > I had a problem just like you describe tuning a radio IF, and it turned > out the IF frequency given in the data sheet was wrong and was near the > second harmonic of the correct IF frequency, but the range of the > tuning allowed the IF to appear to almost peak but not quite. > > Neil S. > > Ken wrote: >> Don't work on auto sets often, so I was wondering if they had any >> special IF can problems. This is a 1948 Mopar 804, the 1st IF will >> almost but not quite peak, either side. 2nd is ok. The slugs are maxed >> in (cw) on both sides, but at this time don't know if it's max or min >> inductance. They are the minature 455kc cans. Any silver migration probs >> in this vintage? Ken > Article: 337964 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Louis last night. Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:58:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1757-44C2AD97-688@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: <23234-44C144D9-256@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> 430,000 still without electric power in the St.Louis area.Some New Yorkers are getting pretty ''rowdy'' too.Sure,it's Summer time,but this is getting kind of ridiculuos. cuhulin Article: 337965 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Theresa McCarty" Subject: Arvin 63R58 (Walnut) Transistor Radio Kludge Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:10:13 -0400 Message-ID: <4LudnY98HJvLLV_ZnZ2dnUVZ_oudnZ2d@qx.net> FWIW: From the back of the radio with the battery pack along the bottom... the 3-gang air var cap to the left ...there's a variable coil [one of three forming an inverted "L"] adjacent to the battery pack retaining strap [center of pack]. Immediately 'above' the aforementioned coil there's a blue-gray-orange-silver resistor, to the coil's immediate right there's a [2nd] "beige"-black-"beige"-"gray" resistor. Connecting a wire between the right side of first resistor to that part of the second resistor that is to the right of the first resistor [ not to that part of the 2nd resistor that is nearest the var coil] "doubles" the volume. Possible caveats: something may be overheating and/or maybe the battery drains when the radio is off. Notes: Top grain cowhide, dial lamp, AM, 9 transistors, I'm guessing 6 "C" cell batteries, the center adj screw on the 3-g air var tun. cap moves the bandspread. ~~~From "What, me fix it?" Jimmy Article: 337966 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Re: Car radio ID needed Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:23:42 -0400 Message-ID: <6rc5c2taqfcuhlb08u98foflt5i1m2eguh@4ax.com> References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> Thanks Guys! Blacksmith wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 337967 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem References: <1153583132.233838.146710@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:26:16 -0400 Thanks, Ed. Just for drill I checked it at 256kc, nothing. Ed M wrote: > Sams set 67, folder 12 indicates 455KHz. Also says that while peaking the > IF's, the dial should be set so the tuning slugs are all the way out. Let > me know if you need a copy of the schematic. > > > > "nesesu" wrote in message > news:1153583132.233838.146710@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >>Dumb question, Ken, but are the IFs 455kHz or 256kHz as quite a few >>auto radios were? >>I had a problem just like you describe tuning a radio IF, and it turned >>out the IF frequency given in the data sheet was wrong and was near the >>second harmonic of the correct IF frequency, but the range of the >>tuning allowed the IF to appear to almost peak but not quite. >> >>Neil S. >> >>Ken wrote: >> >>>Don't work on auto sets often, so I was wondering if they had any >>>special IF can problems. This is a 1948 Mopar 804, the 1st IF will >>>almost but not quite peak, either side. 2nd is ok. The slugs are maxed >>>in (cw) on both sides, but at this time don't know if it's max or min >>>inductance. They are the minature 455kc cans. Any silver migration probs >>>in this vintage? Ken >> > > Article: 337968 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: snarl@triping.net Subject: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:02:53 -0700 Message-ID: <72f5c25s6kgdk08aoakc1vqi546rnjr903@4ax.com> References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> <6rc5c2taqfcuhlb08u98foflt5i1m2eguh@4ax.com> Is this really worth that much??? http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/185077916.html Article: 337969 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 18:01:21 -0600 Message-ID: <29038-44C2BC51-38@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> References: <3Kxwg.737$AK.89@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com> I saw this also before it ended then i saw the 50$ one a few auctions below it . The 678$ radio was not even mint it had minor cosmetic defects . 15 years ago these were a 250$ radio . I have to believe this is a joke put on for some reason , any reason . The seller will clain final fee refunds later . Article: 337970 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "dave@hurtle.com" Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 Date: 22 Jul 2006 17:40:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1153615249.730608.135570@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> snarl@triping.net wrote: > Is this really worth that much??? > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/185077916.html Geez. I hope mine is worth that much. The model number is 10S669 whuch isn't a shutter dial but it does feature a entire chassis with rubber coated wire. The rubber coating dried up and fell off sometime around 1950 so besides the typical repairs you get to replace about a mile of wire too! Article: 337971 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: robert casey Subject: Vacuum tubing a solid state table radio Message-ID: <9Czwg.3405$157.1358@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:42:45 GMT Picture and diagram on a.b.p.r Inspired by that thread about the repro radio auction on ebay a week ago (the one with a solid state AM/FM tuner/IF/detectors and vacuum tube audio amp) I decided to make my own version. Took a solid state AM/FM radio that had decent sound and reception and lots of room inside, I disconnected the speaker feed and used that as the "driver stage" to feed the output tube's control grid. The solid state amp in this radio was a complementary pair audio amp coupled to the speaker via an electrolytic cap. Now it feeds a 1K resistor to ground and the tube grid. Speaker now is fed by an ordinary AA5 type audio output transformer. As the radio has no external jacks or connections, it became "hot chassis" as I directly rectified the line to get tube B+. But I found that I had to insert a small resistance in series with the rectifier diode to get rid of rectifier hash on AM. This slows down the sudden turn on of filter cap recharge topping off current. It now has "tube" sound! :-) Article: 337972 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: What's this coiled wire for? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 20:42:48 -0400 Message-ID: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> Zenith 7S232 Chassis 5709. There's a shielded wire running from under the chassis, through a hole in the chassis, to the top of the chassis and wrapped about 7 times around a condenser can. At the under-chassis end, the shielding is connected to a chassis lug and the wire inside it is connected to the grid of the Power tube (6F6G). This wire is not shown on the schematic. What's the deal with it? I'd try the radio with and without the wire to see what effect it has, but I'm still in the process of recapping it and stripping the chassis down to paint it. Blacksmith wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 337973 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Louis last night. Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:40:04 -0500 Message-ID: <23235-44C2C564-91@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1757-44C2AD97-688@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> About two hours ago,it got cloudy here with some low rumbling thunder.About an hour ago I saw some lightning outside my windows.We have some swoopy doopy ''weather'' moving in now.Map thingy at, www.worldnewsstand.net cuhulin Article: 337974 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Philco 84 Dead Radio.. HELP ME!!! Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:54:03 -0500 Message-ID: <23236-44C2C8AB-16@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: Be carefull about touching those old metal radio chassis with your hands if the old radios are plugged.Some of them can knock you for a loop. cuhulin Article: 337975 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim DeClercq Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:24:59 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> I will ask again--I once had a little solar powered am-fm transistor radio, which took a 11.2, yes eleven point two volt , medical equipment battery, about the size of a D-cell, but not quite. What was it? It is long gone, and the batteries for it are long obsolete. I have been looking for another one, and nobody seems to have heard of it. Jim michaeljpro writes: : Phil Nelson wrote: : > Ridiculous. Not even an early Zenith, not to mention undesirable colors. : > : > Check the bid history. I think you're looking at two pinheads (or resellers) : > who got carried away. : > : > Phil Nelson : The 500H is considered to be one of the best performing and sounding : "pocket" transistor radios of it's time. This model is early 60's and : the two tone colour is the most uncommon to find. It also came in black : and ivory. However, even a fine specimen should only fetch up to $100 : if it has the leather case, earphones etc. I bought a black one for : $10.00 and it really is an impressive set. This auction is ridiculous. : Now a bunch of antique "dealers" and Ebay sellers will think they hit : the jackpot if they find one at a yard sale. -- -- /"\ Jim DeClercq--jimd@panix.com--Sylvania, Ohio, USA \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! | X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature| / \ and postings | to help me spread! | . Article: 337976 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark" Subject: Dial Cord Diagram for Silvertone 7050 Ch 101.674? Date: 22 Jul 2006 18:28:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1153618106.416661.13690@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> This Sears Silvertone chassis with slide rule dial has 6 pulleys, plus the tuner drum and tuning knob shaft. A couple of the pulleys seem to float in mid-air. Could not find dial cord diagram in Sams Dial Cords 1-8. Schematic is in volume 14 of Riders. There is also an earlier model 7050 in Riders 7 but this one is the later model with 455KHz IF. Any help greatly appreciated. Mark in Atlanta Article: 337977 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? Date: 22 Jul 2006 18:44:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1153619069.901743.101600@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> Blacksmith wrote: > Zenith 7S232 Chassis 5709. > There's a shielded wire running from under the chassis, through a hole > in the chassis, to the top of the chassis and wrapped about 7 times > around a condenser can. > > At the under-chassis end, the shielding is connected to a chassis lug > and the wire inside it is connected to the grid of the Power tube > (6F6G). > > This wire is not shown on the schematic. What's the deal with it? I'd > try the radio with and without the wire to see what effect it has, but > I'm still in the process of recapping it and stripping the chassis > down to paint it. > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom I don't know. Was a previous owner ever hospitalized? Article: 337978 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:46:48 -0400 Is it factory? If so, it looks like all it could offer is some capacity >from the 6F6 grid to ground, maybe for parasitic oscillatrions??? Could be what's left of an audio mod. Ken Blacksmith wrote: > Zenith 7S232 Chassis 5709. > There's a shielded wire running from under the chassis, through a hole > in the chassis, to the top of the chassis and wrapped about 7 times > around a condenser can. > > At the under-chassis end, the shielding is connected to a chassis lug > and the wire inside it is connected to the grid of the Power tube > (6F6G). > > This wire is not shown on the schematic. What's the deal with it? I'd > try the radio with and without the wire to see what effect it has, but > I'm still in the process of recapping it and stripping the chassis > down to paint it. > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 337979 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Louis last night. Date: 22 Jul 2006 18:47:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1153619269.288268.320300@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1757-44C2AD97-688@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > About two hours ago,it got cloudy here with some low rumbling > thunder.About an hour ago I saw some lightning outside my windows.We > have some swoopy doopy ''weather'' moving in now.Map thingy at, > www.worldnewsstand.net > cuhulin It's the sign, Larry. The world is to be ringed by lightning and redeemed by FIRE. Article: 337980 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Louis last night. Date: 22 Jul 2006 18:49:29 -0700 Message-ID: <1153619369.850629.325910@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1757-44C2AD97-688@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> Steven wrote: > cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > > About two hours ago,it got cloudy here with some low rumbling > > thunder.About an hour ago I saw some lightning outside my windows.We > > have some swoopy doopy ''weather'' moving in now.Map thingy at, > > www.worldnewsstand.net > > cuhulin > > It's the sign, Larry. The world is to be ringed by lightning and > redeemed by FIRE. Dr Z at Daimler Chrysler has been hard at work on it. Article: 337981 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:49:57 -0400 Message-ID: References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 21:46:48 -0400, Ken wrote: >Is it factory? If so, it looks like all it could offer is some capacity >from the 6F6 grid to ground, maybe for parasitic oscillatrions??? Could >be what's left of an audio mod. Ken > No, it's not factory. Makes the radio look like crap. The wire was secured to the cap can by black electrical tape. Blacksmith wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 337982 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 Date: 22 Jul 2006 18:51:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1153619506.796591.31130@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> dave@hurtle.com wrote: > snarl@triping.net wrote: > > Is this really worth that much??? > > > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/185077916.html > > Geez. I hope mine is worth that much. The model number is 10S669 > whuch isn't a shutter dial but it does feature a entire chassis with > rubber coated wire. The rubber coating dried up and fell off sometime > around 1950 so besides the typical repairs you get to replace about a > mile of wire too! I wonder it I don't actually have a cabinet for one... Article: 337983 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> <6rc5c2taqfcuhlb08u98foflt5i1m2eguh@4ax.com> <72f5c25s6kgdk08aoakc1vqi546rnjr903@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:42:48 GMT In article <72f5c25s6kgdk08aoakc1vqi546rnjr903@4ax.com>, snarl@triping.net says... > > >Is this really worth that much??? > >http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/185077916.html > If you like that radio..... such a deal I have for you... how about 7 or 8 or them for $1,000 .... yes 7 or 8 .. maybe even NINE of them here in the stash... Northern Indiana Location ... lots of consoles here that need new homes!.. See the Console List here... http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/Console.htm if you don't like the prices listed.... will talk.. John k9uwa Article: 337984 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:46:01 GMT In article <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com>, blacksmith1@wowway.com says... > > >Zenith 7S232 Chassis 5709. >There's a shielded wire running from under the chassis, through a hole >in the chassis, to the top of the chassis and wrapped about 7 times >around a condenser can. >Blacksmith >wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom It doesn't belong in that radio... take it out John k9uwa Article: 337985 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Caps Needed Date: 22 Jul 2006 20:32:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1153625522.760488.217290@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153540128.722880.203920@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Thanks all for the info, appreciate it. GB. Article: 337986 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:20:52 -0400 Message-ID: Oh fer crissakes, guys. its going to the audio output grid. Its an AUX input! You can send anything into that tube that is 2-3v or so, like an xtal phono signal, or, today, a CD player or such. I see lots of these added to radios, it was a common modification. Also, it can be used as an aux OUTPUT too, to send into a recorder. Mark Oppat "robert casey" wrote in message news:WEAwg.8519$vO.3962@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... > Blacksmith wrote: > > > Zenith 7S232 Chassis 5709. > > There's a shielded wire running from under the chassis, through a hole > > in the chassis, to the top of the chassis and wrapped about 7 times > > around a condenser can. > > > > At the under-chassis end, the shielding is connected to a chassis lug > > and the wire inside it is connected to the grid of the Power tube > > (6F6G). > > > > This wire is not shown on the schematic. What's the deal with it? > > This may be a bypass cap circuit with the coil of wire creating a > resonant trap at about the IF frequency. I've seen it done in 'hot > chassis" radios where the trap circuit ties the chassis to the B minus > supply line. This allows the use of a smaller cap even though normally > the radio wants a bigger cap to tie the chassis to RF ground to avoid > parasitic oscillations in the IF strip. A bigger cap allows too much > stray 60Hz current to get on the chassis and thru a person to ground, > but the IF strip wants a big cap to get the impedance low enough to > avoid the oscillations. The resonant trap allows a smaller cap, with > reduced shock current at 60Hz but a low enough impedance to bypass the RF. > Article: 337987 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 00:56:39 -0400 Message-ID: Could it have been the Hoffman BP-709 Solar radio? I had one years ago, and sold it. Mark Oppat "Jim DeClercq" wrote in message news:e9uj5b$9nj$1@reader2.panix.com... > I will ask again--I once had a little solar powered am-fm transistor > radio, which took a 11.2, yes eleven point two volt , medical equipment > battery, about the size of a D-cell, but not quite. What was it? > > It is long gone, and the batteries for it are long obsolete. I have been > looking for another one, and nobody seems to have heard of it. > > Jim > > michaeljpro writes: > > : Phil Nelson wrote: > : > Ridiculous. Not even an early Zenith, not to mention undesirable colors. > : > > : > Check the bid history. I think you're looking at two pinheads (or resellers) > : > who got carried away. > : > > : > Phil Nelson > > : The 500H is considered to be one of the best performing and sounding > : "pocket" transistor radios of it's time. This model is early 60's and > : the two tone colour is the most uncommon to find. It also came in black > : and ivory. However, even a fine specimen should only fetch up to $100 > : if it has the leather case, earphones etc. I bought a black one for > : $10.00 and it really is an impressive set. This auction is ridiculous. > : Now a bunch of antique "dealers" and Ebay sellers will think they hit > : the jackpot if they find one at a yard sale. > > > -- > -- > /"\ Jim DeClercq--jimd@panix.com--Sylvania, Ohio, USA > \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! | > X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature| > / \ and postings | to help me spread! | > . > > Article: 337988 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> <6rc5c2taqfcuhlb08u98foflt5i1m2eguh@4ax.com> <72f5c25s6kgdk08aoakc1vqi546rnjr903@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:01:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1_mdnRJxf_tvnF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_o-dnZ2d@comcast.com> They call this a shutter dial but its not. Only the 7 tube and up 38 & 39 year sets or the 12 and 15 tube Zeniths of 1940-41 have the real shutter dial. I forget what '42 sets have it if any. Mark Oppat wrote in message news:72f5c25s6kgdk08aoakc1vqi546rnjr903@4ax.com... > Is this really worth that much??? > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/185077916.html > > Article: 337989 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Frank Dresser" References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> <44C15D1A.FF88AE91@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 05:08:33 GMT "Alan Douglas" wrote in message news:pns2c2p3o47g90ts1dp0e2okq6t02tmp04@4ax.com... > Thermostatic heaters often had slow-breaking switches which > arced. Yeah, my neighbor's house must have had one of those damn things. Periodiocally it would swamp all the radio bands with strong a BZZZZZZZZZZZ. The hash would obliterate all but the strongest local ground wave signals. The noise probably lasted less than three seconds, but it seemed endless. I suppose the neighbors didn't use electronic home entertainment devices or they thought the electrical noise was normal. Let's not forget that in many areas an earth ground was used as the neutral return back in the simpler era. I'll bet there was plenty of common noise riding on that, too. Frank Dresser Article: 337990 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: FA: nice 8 tube Silvertone, top of line for '35 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 01:24:18 -0400 Message-ID: I think this was the top of line table radio for Silvertone in '35. I know the Silvertone manual calls for two other models with same chassis that had a tuning meter added, but I think those were consoles. http://cgi.ebay.com/SILVERTONE-tombstone-8-TUBE-wood-table-radio-1933-34_W0QQitemZ200009554837QQihZ010QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem anyways, its an interesting set. 5 controls, one is a sensitivity switch. Mark Oppat Article: 337991 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:07:15 -0700 Message-ID: References: Solomon wrote: > I was just wondering if anyone knows what's so special about this > radio. Personally, I would probably walk right by it at a flea market, > even if it was marked at $5 > http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Two-Tone-Gray-Zenith-500H-Transistor-Radio_W0QQitemZ150011382139QQihZ005QQcategoryZ932QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 1. Two-Tone Grey 2. No chips or cracks 3. The absolute ultimate of Zenith handhelds-biggest speaker ever put in a radio of that size None of that justifies the $678 price. You've probably got a couple of hardcore collectors at work who have every 500 model ever produced in every color ever made...... Except this one. Hence the preposterous price. I remember an R7000 TO that sold on ebay a few years ago for more than $1200.00. That price was far enough out of line that someone from this group actually emailed the buyer, asking what was up. She replied that the radio in question was in near-mint condition and was a particularly uncommon Taiwanese variant. I doubt many in this group would notice the difference between it and other R7000s that frequently show up on the 'bay.....I'm not even sure there really is a difference to notice! Yes, there is a bit of phoolery in every collecting hobby. :-). It manifests itself in auctions like this one. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 337992 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1%owg.489$2u4.204@trnddc06> <%Frwg.1183$fL3.8@trnddc07> <1iuwg.2411$5H.1912@dukeread06> Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem Message-ID: <8rFwg.7427$V74.4143@trnddc08> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:20:36 GMT For antenna I use an inexpensive replacement from any auto parts store, and just set it behind the bench. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Ken" wrote in message news:1iuwg.2411$5H.1912@dukeread06... > Gary, how do you rig an antenna, string a wire or use a car type? Ken > > Gary Tayman wrote: > >> This might sound silly, but if you have three radios why not pull the >> input IF from one of the others and install it in this one? >> >> >> > Article: 337993 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: FA: nice 8 tube Silvertone, top of line for '35 Date: 23 Jul 2006 04:24:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1153653841.777545.220560@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > I think this was the top of line table radio for Silvertone in '35. I know > the Silvertone manual calls for two other models with same chassis that had > a tuning meter added, but I think those were consoles. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/SILVERTONE-tombstone-8-TUBE-wood-table-radio-1933-34_W0QQitemZ200009554837QQihZ010QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > anyways, its an interesting set. 5 controls, one is a sensitivity switch. > > Mark Oppat I'm not even gonna bet how stupid the reserve on a fixer-upper will be. Hagstar, care to add some sage abuse about the seller? Article: 337994 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 Date: 23 Jul 2006 04:27:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1153654050.635501.260120@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> Mark Oppat wrote: > They call this a shutter dial but its not. Only the 7 tube and up 38 & 39 > year sets or the 12 and 15 tube Zeniths of 1940-41 have the real shutter > dial. I forget what '42 sets have it if any. > > Mark Oppat > > > wrote in message > news:72f5c25s6kgdk08aoakc1vqi546rnjr903@4ax.com... > > Is this really worth that much??? > > > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/185077916.html > > > > I just know I traded my boss a cabinet that was in refinishable shape and he was going to put a stereo in it but never has bothered it. I'd rather find the chassis. Article: 337995 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem References: <1%owg.489$2u4.204@trnddc06> <%Frwg.1183$fL3.8@trnddc07> <1iuwg.2411$5H.1912@dukeread06> <8rFwg.7427$V74.4143@trnddc08> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 07:29:15 -0400 Thanks for your help. Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > For antenna I use an inexpensive replacement from any auto parts store, and > just set it behind the bench. > > > > Article: 337996 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 Date: 23 Jul 2006 04:31:05 -0700 Message-ID: <1153654265.506224.79790@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> Steven wrote: > Mark Oppat wrote: > > They call this a shutter dial but its not. Only the 7 tube and up 38 & 39 > > year sets or the 12 and 15 tube Zeniths of 1940-41 have the real shutter > > dial. I forget what '42 sets have it if any. > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > wrote in message > > news:72f5c25s6kgdk08aoakc1vqi546rnjr903@4ax.com... > > > Is this really worth that much??? > > > > > > http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/clt/185077916.html > > > > > > > > I just know I traded my boss a cabinet that was in refinishable shape > and he was going to put a stereo in it but never has bothered it. I'd > rather find the chassis. THAT'S IT! I'm almost certain! Not the same finish color, but the correct lines and pretty much the front. Does somebody have that chassis? Article: 337997 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philo" Subject: anyone need time delay relays? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:54:19 -0500 Message-ID: While cleaning my store room...I found some Amperite time delay relays. Most are 26 volt octal normally closed, 10 second delay (26C10 ) I have a few others @ 3 and 5 second delay... a few 6 volt and a few in the 7 pin miniature variety... possibly a couple N.C. and sockets etc if anyone needs any just email me at philo_565 at yahoo Article: 337998 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gkb" Subject: ID This Silvertone? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:14:09 -0400 Message-ID: I am having trouble to get a model number for a Silvertone radio. Slide rule dial..... Four bands, bottom to top, A..B..C..D..... Nine push buttons... Control, left side, on/off/volume.... Control, right side, tune and band selector.... Eye tube splits band "D".... Tube line up, 2-6U7G, 1-6K8G, 1-6Q7G, 3-6P5G, 2-6AC5G, 1-6X4G, 1-6U5... The reason I ask is.........Was at a flea market and came across an original set of instructions that include "Radio Directory and Log", "Radio Service Record" tag, "Parts List and Instructions" and the best part, four sheets of unused "Station Call Letters". These are the prepunched, brown/yellow call letter inserts for the push buttons. Also has the original yellow envelope that contains this info. All of this printed material is in excellent shape, no dog ears, rips or stains. I looked over every inch of this info and can not find a model or chassis number. A search on the web comes up with a model # 6325 but the info I have is for 9 push buttons. Anyone have a clue as to the model number? -- Regards, Gary... Article: 337999 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:24:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:20:52 -0400, "Mark Oppat" wrote: >Oh fer crissakes, guys. its going to the audio output grid. Its an AUX >input! You can send anything into that tube that is 2-3v or so, like an >xtal phono signal, or, today, a CD player or such. >I see lots of these added to radios, it was a common modification. >Also, it can be used as an aux OUTPUT too, to send into a recorder. > >Mark Oppat Hey, that makes sense, Mark. That's why it's a shielded cable. And now I see that the reason it was coiled around the cap can was just to store it, the electrical tape keeping it from unwinding and falling out the back of the radio. Thanks, Mark and everyone else who gave it a shot. Blacksmith wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 338000 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim DeClercq Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Nope (top posting), wrong battery. 11.2 volts would be noticeable as very odd. Have seen Hoffman, and they are not even close. Mark Oppat writes: : Could it have been the Hoffman BP-709 Solar radio? I had one years ago, and : sold it. : Mark Oppat : "Jim DeClercq" wrote in message : news:e9uj5b$9nj$1@reader2.panix.com... : > I will ask again--I once had a little solar powered am-fm transistor : > radio, which took a 11.2, yes eleven point two volt , medical equipment : > battery, about the size of a D-cell, but not quite. What was it? : > : > It is long gone, and the batteries for it are long obsolete. I have been : > looking for another one, and nobody seems to have heard of it. : > : > Jim : > : > michaeljpro writes: : > : > : Phil Nelson wrote: : > : > Ridiculous. Not even an early Zenith, not to mention undesirable : colors. : > : > : > : > Check the bid history. I think you're looking at two pinheads (or : resellers) : > : > who got carried away. : > : > : > : > Phil Nelson : > : > : The 500H is considered to be one of the best performing and sounding : > : "pocket" transistor radios of it's time. This model is early 60's and : > : the two tone colour is the most uncommon to find. It also came in black : > : and ivory. However, even a fine specimen should only fetch up to $100 : > : if it has the leather case, earphones etc. I bought a black one for : > : $10.00 and it really is an impressive set. This auction is ridiculous. : > : Now a bunch of antique "dealers" and Ebay sellers will think they hit : > : the jackpot if they find one at a yard sale. : > : > : > -- : > -- : > /"\ Jim DeClercq--jimd@panix.com--Sylvania, Ohio, USA : > \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! | : > X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature| : > / \ and postings | to help me spread! | : > . : > : > -- -- /"\ Jim DeClercq--jimd@panix.com--Sylvania, Ohio, USA \ / ASCII ribbon campaign | I'm a .signature virus! | X against HTML mail | Copy me into your ~/.signature| / \ and postings | to help me spread! | . Article: 338001 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "pacoboy1@aol.com" Subject: FS: Short Wave Receivers Date: 23 Jul 2006 06:38:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1153661925.411383.324760@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Have for sale the following. Prices does not include shipping. Hallicrafter Sky Buddy. AM and 1.8 to 35MHZ in 4 bands. Work OK. $40 Panasonic RF-1170 . AM/FM 30-50MHZ 148-174MHZ 450-470MHZ Works Fine. $30 Normende Globetrotter. LW/AM/FM and 80-11 Meters S.W in 11 Bands Works Fine. $60 Zenith TransOceanic 3000-1. Works on all bands but could use a tune-up and contact cleaner on band switch. $65 Zenith TransOceanic 1000's Have two for sale. Both work good on AM but marginal on SW One is missing the battery box,main dial insert and wavemagnet antenna. Asking $45 for the complete unit and $35 for the other. Pictures at http://photos.yahoo.com/ezrider67@verizon.net Yes the sailboat is for sale at $700 for local pick-up only! Ed WB2WHQ Article: 338002 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: Subject: Re: ID This Silvertone? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:40:34 -0500 Message-ID: <44c36f18$0$17226$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "gkb" wrote in message news:A5mdnYaUcJ7X-l7ZnZ2dnUVZ_rudnZ2d@gwi.net... >I am having trouble to get a model number for a Silvertone radio. > Anyone have a clue as to the model number? Sounds like a 6440 I once had. Same tube lineup, same description. Butt ugly set. :) There's a picture of the similar 6439A on the Radio Attic Archives. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 338003 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Pete_O" Subject: Re: ATTN: Whoever bought the Silvertone Tombstone 1965 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:54:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: This is a full set of guts ... chassis .. rusty but all there..speaker looks good.. and all the knobs are there... dial looks good.... ***I just won a Silvertone 1955 missing spkr and some tube shields. This ought to fill the needs with plenty of extras. Tnx. Pete O Article: 338004 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "ezrider67@verizon.net" Subject: FS: Short Wave Receivers Date: 23 Jul 2006 07:19:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1153664344.841399.171030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> This is a repost. My original listed my old e-mail address. The prices on the following radios does not include shipping. Hallicrafter Sky Buddy. AM and 1.8 to 35MHZ in 4 bands. $40 Panasonic RF-1170. AM/FM 30-50 148-174 450-470 MHZ $30 Normende Globetrotter. LW/AM/FM and 80-11 Meters in 11 Bands $60 Zenith TransOceanic 3000-1 Works on all bands but could use a tune-up and some contact cleaner $65 Zenith TransOceanic 1000's Have two for sale. Both work but SW reception is weak. One is missing the battery box,main dial insert and wave antenna. $45 for complete unit and $35 for the other. Can send pictures of all or should be available at http://photos.yahoo.com/ezrider67@verizon.net Article: 338005 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 Date: 23 Jul 2006 07:55:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> Steven wrote: > Steven wrote: > > Mark Oppat wrote: > > > They call this a shutter dial but its not. Only the 7 tube and up 38 & 39 > > > year sets or the 12 and 15 tube Zeniths of 1940-41 have the real shutter > > > dial. I forget what '42 sets have it if any. > > > Probably none of my business, but I sent this message to the seller: "FYI. Your Zenith radio is model 10S669. It is not a shutter dial (or as Zenith would say, Robot Dial). It is not rare or much sought after. The book "Zenith,the Glory years, 1936-1945" by Cones, Bryant, and Blankinship shows this as a common set (more than 20,000 made) with a value of $120-180 (page 97). The pilasters (aka curved uprights) are not walnut, but are Faux Wood Grain, a printed paper applique. Nice radio, but not as advertised." A couple of 1942 12 tubers (phono combos), a 14 tuber, and the 22 tubers used the Robot dial. Something like advertising a 1965 Dodge as having a "rare and sought after" Hemi when in fact the car has a 383. Article: 338006 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carter Cook" Subject: Re: ID This Silvertone? Date: 23 Jul 2006 07:58:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1153666694.982660.218460@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: The Mallory encyclopedia lists the following Silvertones with that tube lineup: 6438 (plus 6438 A and B), 6439 (plus 6439 A), 6440: all with chassis 101.583; 6446 with chassis 101.584; 6497 with chassis 101.595; and 6346 (plus 6346A) with chassis 101.584. Article: 338007 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:14:39 GMT In article <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, menwagoh@msn.com says... > > > >Probably none of my business, but I sent this message to the seller: > > It will be interesting to see if you get a response back from the seller... Should have added that one of the others in the old radio group said he would sell 10 of them in unrestored condition for $1000 ... John k9uwa Article: 338008 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:22:43 -0700 Message-ID: <25900-44C39443-935@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> References: Looks like crap and not factory installed. Do like John said and remove it! I agree with Mark, it was an input for something. Article: 338009 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jimfberg@webtv.net (Jim Berg) Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:25:31 -0700 Message-ID: <25900-44C394EB-936@storefull-3111.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I sold one about 10 years ago restoredf or about $300. They do sound good when working, but have fake finish on the front. Article: 338010 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gkb" References: <1153666694.982660.218460@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: ID This Silvertone? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:05:03 -0400 Message-ID: <5PKdnd1pHpD7AF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@gwi.net> Thanks for all the help. I believe I have nailed it down to the 6439A. -- Regards, Gary... "Carter Cook" wrote in message news:1153666694.982660.218460@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > The Mallory encyclopedia lists the following Silvertones with that tube > lineup: > > 6438 (plus 6438 A and B), 6439 (plus 6439 A), 6440: all with chassis > 101.583; > 6446 with chassis 101.584; > 6497 with chassis 101.595; and > 6346 (plus 6346A) with chassis 101.584. > Article: 338011 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:50:27 -0600 Message-ID: <1438-44C39AC3-784@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> References: Should have added that one of the others in the old radio group said he would sell 10 of them in unrestored condition for $1000 ... John k9uwa Damn it John .. if we lived closer i would be right there :-) About the ad .. ``premier`` consert grand``shutter dial`` ... OH BROTHER Article: 338012 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153666694.982660.218460@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <5PKdnd1pHpD7AF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@gwi.net> Subject: Re: ID This Silvertone? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:16:50 -0400 Message-ID: Also, a very common Silvertone around then was the R101. 1940 console. Dont have my books right here to confirm tube line up but should match. Mark Oppat "gkb" wrote in message news:5PKdnd1pHpD7AF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@gwi.net... > Thanks for all the help. I believe I have nailed it down to the 6439A. > > -- > Regards, > Gary... > "Carter Cook" wrote in message > news:1153666694.982660.218460@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > The Mallory encyclopedia lists the following Silvertones with that tube > > lineup: > > > > 6438 (plus 6438 A and B), 6439 (plus 6439 A), 6440: all with chassis > > 101.583; > > 6446 with chassis 101.584; > > 6497 with chassis 101.595; and > > 6346 (plus 6346A) with chassis 101.584. > > > > > Article: 338013 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3YWdnYzq1dmCPF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> without a switch attached, you would have to tune to a dead area on the dial or you'd have the radio and your aux input mixing together. Its likely this was an aux output, for recording, in which case a switch wasn't needed. Mark Oppat "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:peq6c2pn98u2g8gk5lku79dhh6hlleh6d7@4ax.com... > On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 22:20:52 -0400, "Mark Oppat" > wrote: > > >Oh fer crissakes, guys. its going to the audio output grid. Its an AUX > >input! You can send anything into that tube that is 2-3v or so, like an > >xtal phono signal, or, today, a CD player or such. > >I see lots of these added to radios, it was a common modification. > >Also, it can be used as an aux OUTPUT too, to send into a recorder. > > > >Mark Oppat > > Hey, that makes sense, Mark. That's why it's a shielded cable. And now > I see that the reason it was coiled around the cap can was just to > store it, the electrical tape keeping it from unwinding and falling > out the back of the radio. > > Thanks, Mark and everyone else who gave it a shot. > > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom > Article: 338014 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: FA: Zenith 1940 12 tube... Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:27:35 -0400 Message-ID: this guy was gonna part this out and junk the cabinet! http://cgi.ebay.com/ZENITH-12-S-471-Shutter-Dial-Radio-Cabinet-parting-out_W0QQitemZ230009373995QQihZ013QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Mark Oppat Article: 338015 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: Subject: Re: Whoever bought the Silvertone Tombstone 1965 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: AND, HERE should be the cabinet for this chassis! Marry them up! http://cgi.ebay.com/SILVERTONE-TOMBSTONE-RADIO-CABINET_W0QQitemZ250010627554QQihZ015QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Mark Oppat "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:Vofwg.1092357$xm3.878062@attbi_s21... > This is a full set of guts ... chassis .. rusty but all there.. > speaker looks good.. and all the knobs are there... dial looks > good.... > > 0QQitemZ270009769411> > > or if ya can't get the above link to work... its fleabay item > number 270009769411 > > wish I had a box to put that one in.. > > John k9uwa > > Article: 338016 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: FS: Short Wave Receivers Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:30:04 -0600 Message-ID: <1439-44C3A40C-187@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153664344.841399.171030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> I cant use anymore radios like that but would like to say how nice your post and ad is including very reasonable prices and pictures . Very refreshing . Article: 338017 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Ken Doyle" References: <1153433554.975249.206720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: 1950's WEBCOR MUSICALE owners manuals-$10 free shipping Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:01:15 -0400 Message-ID: Your last FA post had FA in the header, what's the matter, bored? Raking muck again! Ken D. wrote in message news:1153433554.975249.206720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > ebay.com/,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Article: 338018 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com Subject: Re: 1950's WEBCOR MUSICALE owners manuals-$10 free shipping Date: 23 Jul 2006 10:38:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1153676292.285802.308990@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153433554.975249.206720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Ken Doyle wrote: > Your last FA post had FA in the header, what's the matter, bored? Raking > muck again! > > Ken D. > > wrote in message > news:1153433554.975249.206720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > ebay.com/,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, thanks for the ad bump Article: 338019 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anorack Ted" Subject: Radio Receiver Servicing and Maintenance 1939 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:43:21 +0100 Message-ID: <44c3b53c_4@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com> For Sale - A book at:- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200010501208 Pic's at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/eddybertoni/ A nice nostalgic read or restorers guide! Sorry can't scan all and put up on web, copyright. Eddy Bertoni Article: 338020 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Persistence finally pays, but good grief! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:23:06 GMT Okay guys, while you're struggling through one of your more elusive projects, here's one that might not make it sound so bad: On the bench I've got an AM radio from a 67 GTO. Now -- I LOVE these radios for conversion; I can do them with my eyes closed. But this one's not a conversion, he wants it repaired/restored. Spare no expense; it's valuable because it's from a GTO. I can't tell him it's the same radio as in any Tempest -- no, this one's special. Whatever. I turned on the radio, and it squealed like a pig. The squeal varies with the volume control. Sounds like probably a bad electrolytic, possibly the coupling cap on the volume control. I opened up the radio, and everything's rusty, corroded, obviously having lived most of its life in a junkyard. I removed the PCB to get to the electrolytics, and while it was out I cleaned and operated the tuner -- and two pushbuttons broke, leaf springs rusted through. Well, to make a long story shorter I spent most of the day disassembling the tuner, cleaning every piece, and reassembling with parts from another Delco radio. Replaced caps, installed the PCB, squeals like heck. So, having just converted a Chevy radio that's virtually the same thing, I took the PCB, transformer assembly, and heat sink, and replaced all the guts in the GTO. Turned it on, smoke pours out. Put the original PCB back in but kept the transformer assembly intact, smoke pours out again. Next step: grab a THIRD radio, from a Buick (again, virtually the same radio), put it on the bench and made sure it plays fine. THEN I carefully removed the PCB, transformer assembly, heat sink, and volume control as a unit. With this removed I also removed the tuning coils and trimmer. Installed the whole shootin' match into the GTO. Turned it on, dead. So -- after some yelling and screaming, throwing things, and entertaining the neighbors, I turned it on again and put a signal tracer to it. I tracked down a bad solder connection (from the factory, not one of mine). Resoldered everything in the vicinity, radio is playing fine. Now, I still have to swap volume controls, as this one has too long a shaft. So keep your fingers crossed. With this monster out of the way, I have one repair left. It's from a Mustang -- excuse me, it's from a Shelby. It's a special Shelby radio that's rare, so spare no expense . . . (It's an ordinary Mustang radio, one of only 1.4 million out there) -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 338021 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: FA: Zenith 1940 12 tube... From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:57:30 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >this guy was gonna part this out and junk the cabinet! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ZENITH-12-S-471-Shutter-Dial-Radio-Cabinet-parting-out_W0 QQitemZ230009373995QQihZ013QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Mark Oppat > > > I looked ... it is missing a couple parts ... no buttons for the preset side of the radio... one of his auctions had the cabinet available in it if anyone wants it... John k9uwa Article: 338022 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Persistence finally pays, but good grief! References: Message-ID: <4FPwg.2498$5H.1870@dukeread06> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:58:07 -0400 Yeah, troubles like that make you have to tell someone, it's too much to keep inside. One thing I have been wondering though, what do you actually do on a conversion? I get the idea it's a radio on a pwb that fits inside the old case, but how do you mechanically connect push buttons and switches to make them all work like the original? I don't expect any trade secrets :) Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > Okay guys, while you're struggling through one of your more elusive > projects, here's one that might not make it sound so bad: > > On the bench I've got an AM radio from a 67 GTO. Now -- I LOVE these radios > for conversion; I can do them with my eyes closed. But this one's not a > conversion, he wants it repaired/restored. Spare no expense; it's valuable > because it's from a GTO. I can't tell him it's the same radio as in any > Tempest -- no, this one's special. Whatever. > > I turned on the radio, and it squealed like a pig. The squeal varies with > the volume control. Sounds like probably a bad electrolytic, possibly the > coupling cap on the volume control. I opened up the radio, and everything's > rusty, corroded, obviously having lived most of its life in a junkyard. I > removed the PCB to get to the electrolytics, and while it was out I cleaned > and operated the tuner -- and two pushbuttons broke, leaf springs rusted > through. > > Well, to make a long story shorter I spent most of the day disassembling the > tuner, cleaning every piece, and reassembling with parts from another Delco > radio. Replaced caps, installed the PCB, squeals like heck. > > So, having just converted a Chevy radio that's virtually the same thing, I > took the PCB, transformer assembly, and heat sink, and replaced all the guts > in the GTO. Turned it on, smoke pours out. Put the original PCB back in > but kept the transformer assembly intact, smoke pours out again. > > Next step: grab a THIRD radio, from a Buick (again, virtually the same > radio), put it on the bench and made sure it plays fine. THEN I carefully > removed the PCB, transformer assembly, heat sink, and volume control as a > unit. With this removed I also removed the tuning coils and trimmer. > Installed the whole shootin' match into the GTO. Turned it on, dead. > > So -- after some yelling and screaming, throwing things, and entertaining > the neighbors, I turned it on again and put a signal tracer to it. I > tracked down a bad solder connection (from the factory, not one of mine). > Resoldered everything in the vicinity, radio is playing fine. > > Now, I still have to swap volume controls, as this one has too long a shaft. > So keep your fingers crossed. > > With this monster out of the way, I have one repair left. It's from a > Mustang -- excuse me, it's from a Shelby. It's a special Shelby radio > that's rare, so spare no expense . . . > > (It's an ordinary Mustang radio, one of only 1.4 million out there) > > > Article: 338023 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: bolly@rogers.com Subject: Use of AVO VCM163 Date: 23 Jul 2006 12:01:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1153681304.784413.43120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> can someone lead me by the hand? Greg Article: 338024 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Barry" Subject: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:09:48 -0500 Message-ID: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Does anyone know where I can get some small labels made for some coaxial cables? Specifically, I'm looking for something that will wrap around a 0.085" OD coax. I'm thinking these are made somewhere, but not sure where to look. I'm restoring some of the interconnecting cables in an R390A and not sure if I can fit the old, metal ones back onto the new coax. One of them had a yellow label that slipped off the old coax rather easily. I slipped it on the new coax and secured it with some clear heat-shrink tubing. I'd like to do the same for the other cables. Thanks, Barry - N4BUQ Article: 338025 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Verne Folk Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: 23 Jul 2006 11:49:01 -0700 Message-ID: References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> In article , Jim DeClercq says... > >Nope (top posting), wrong battery. 11.2 volts would be noticeable as very >odd. Have seen Hoffman, and they are not even close. > >Mark Oppat writes: > >: Could it have been the Hoffman BP-709 Solar radio? I had one years ago, and >: sold it. > >: Mark Oppat > > >SNIP>> The Hoffman RP 706 Trans-Solar radios took a 4 volt battery. (Hoffman #H930003, Mallory TR233R or equiv. verne Article: 338026 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> <3YWdnYzq1dmCPF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:10:31 GMT In article <3YWdnYzq1dmCPF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com>, moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >without a switch attached, you would have to tune to a dead area on the dial >or you'd have the radio and your aux input mixing together. Its likely this >was an aux output, for recording, in which case a switch wasn't needed. > >Mark Oppat > besides its still in the wrong place I think?.... didn't Blacksmith say that it went into the grid of the 6F6 tube? outta be into first audio tooob ... and as Mark said... with switch ... I regularily install such stuff on a lot of these old radios for the customers who want to inject CD stuff and serious radio what the hell ever that is... I thought serious radios all had lotsa toobes in them!.... but what do I know! Will now go stuff nose back in corner! John k9uwa Article: 338027 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44C3CAD1.6000105@socal.rr.com> From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Use of AVO VCM163 References: <1153681304.784413.43120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:15:35 GMT bolly@rogers.com wrote: > can someone lead me by the hand? Well, I found the operating instructions for it. http://www.g1jbg.co.uk/pdf/vcm163op.pdf Here's the rest of the data, like the valve data sheets etc. http://frank.pocnet.net/instruments/AVO/ValveTesters/ValveTesters.html Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 338028 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Whoever bought the Silvertone Tombstone 1965 From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:15:37 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > OOPS..... there goes the price of tea in china through the roof... both the cabinet and the set of guts have no current bids on them!.. Jean says that I am in the "downsizing mode".... so I can't go after this pair!... drats! John k9uwa >AND, HERE should be the cabinet for this chassis! Marry them up! > >http://cgi.ebay.com/SILVERTONE-TOMBSTONE-RADIO-CABINET_W0QQitemZ250010627554Q QihZ015QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Mark Oppat > > > > >"John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message >news:Vofwg.1092357$xm3.878062@attbi_s21... >> This is a full set of guts ... chassis .. rusty but all there.. >> speaker looks good.. and all the knobs are there... dial looks >> good.... >> >> > 0QQitemZ270009769411> >> >> or if ya can't get the above link to work... its fleabay item >> number 270009769411 >> >> wish I had a box to put that one in.. >> >> John k9uwa >> >> > > > Article: 338029 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mort Denison" References: Subject: Re: FA: Zenith 1940 12 tube... Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:17:26 -0400 Message-ID: Speaking of Zenith's, John, that chassis is going out UPS ground tomorrow >from work. There's some usable parts on it :>) Article: 338030 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "bolly" Subject: Re: Use of AVO VCM163 Date: 23 Jul 2006 12:19:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1153682362.968759.127240@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153681304.784413.43120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Thanks Jeff, I do have the manuals in book form, just that I've never used a machine like this before. Article: 338031 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:21:02 GMT Barry wrote: > I'm restoring some of the interconnecting cables in an R390A and not sure if > I can fit the old, metal ones back onto the new coax. If you're making new cables, you can do what I do to ID cables. I buy shrink tubing of the appropriate size, and prior to shrinking it over the cable write on the tubing with a Fine point Sharpie. The lettering shrinks along with the tubing and looks ok when finished. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 338032 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:23:27 -0400 From: Chuck Harris Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Message-ID: Barry wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get some small labels made for some coaxial > cables? Specifically, I'm looking for something that will wrap around a > 0.085" OD coax. I'm thinking these are made somewhere, but not sure where > to look. > > I'm restoring some of the interconnecting cables in an R390A and not sure if > I can fit the old, metal ones back onto the new coax. One of them had a > yellow label that slipped off the old coax rather easily. I slipped it on > the new coax and secured it with some clear heat-shrink tubing. I'd like to > do the same for the other cables. > > Thanks, > > Barry - N4BUQ I just make some paper labels using my word processor program, and print them on my laser printer. I wrap them around the wire, and slip a piece of clear heat shrink tubing over the label. Note, pick a font that is readable on the size wire you are labeling. -Chuck Harris Article: 338033 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Use of AVO VCM163 References: <1153681304.784413.43120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <44C3CAD1.6000105@socal.rr.com> <1153682362.968759.127240@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:25:58 GMT bolly wrote: > Thanks Jeff, I do have the manuals in book form, just that I've > never used a machine like this before. I briefly looked at the manual when I found the links for it. I suggest grabbing a few tubes and just having a go at it. The only thing to pay particular attention is getting the filament voltage for the heater correct. I won't admit to how many tubes I've incinerated by accident by putting 12 V across a 1.5 V heater by accident. Of course, I've learned >from my cats to just smile and say, "I meant to do that." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 338034 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "bolly" Subject: Re: Use of AVO VCM163 Date: 23 Jul 2006 12:41:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1153683716.575277.267450@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153681304.784413.43120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Ok Jeff, I appreciate your reply. I guess the only way to learn is to jump in with both feet. Thanks for the tip on the heater voltage! Greg Article: 338035 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:19:39 -0400 Message-ID: <49m7c2592husr0b56pqanftbkp9g32knit@4ax.com> References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> <3YWdnYzq1dmCPF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:10:31 GMT, k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) wrote: >In article <3YWdnYzq1dmCPF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com>, >moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... >> >> >>without a switch attached, you would have to tune to a dead area on the dial >>or you'd have the radio and your aux input mixing together. Its likely this >>was an aux output, for recording, in which case a switch wasn't needed. >> >>Mark Oppat >> > >besides its still in the wrong place I think?.... didn't Blacksmith say >that it went into the grid of the 6F6 tube? outta be into first audio >tooob ... and as Mark said... with switch ... I regularily install >such stuff on a lot of these old radios for the customers who want to >inject CD stuff and serious radio what the hell ever that is... I thought >serious radios all had lotsa toobes in them!.... but what do I know! > >Will now go stuff nose back in corner! > >John k9uwa Wait, John. Don't go yet. I have people who I'm sure would be more likely to buy an old AM radio if they could inject a CD player's output or a satelite radio into it. How exactly is that done? Like, what kind of switch, and what kind of connections, and where? On the grid of the 1st audio tube? Blacksmith wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 338036 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: A major storm hit St. Louis last night. Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:18:34 -0500 Message-ID: <12568-44C3D99A-126@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153619369.850629.325910@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> No ideas,no light,no end in sight for Queens,NY. www.drudgereport.com I have never been to New England before.Here in Mississippi,us Mississippi Coon Asses have more electricity than we know what to do with. cuhulin Article: 338037 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <4FPwg.2498$5H.1870@dukeread06> Subject: Re: Persistence finally pays, but good grief! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:36:29 GMT A conversion is actually a simple concept. It is a physically small PCB that contains an AM/FM stereo, designed to work with the original radio's controls. The conversion makes use of the radio's original LO tuning slug. It measures the inductance, converts it to a regulated DC voltage, sends that to an A to D converter, and feeds it to a digital tuning module. The volume and tone controls are voltage dividers, so any control between 10k and 5 megs can be used interchangeably. There's one slight bugaboo here -- virtually all volume controls are audio taper, and the voltage divider works best with linear. So a resistor is added between the high side and the wiper to help smooth it out. So what we have is the original radio, with its original volume/tone controls and pushbuttons, operating much the same way as before. The PCB also contains a signal seeker, to operate wonderbar, town & country, and other similar sets. The new ones actually have ROM's on them, and are programmable. They are programmed to match the tuner characteristics, signal seeker hardware, US or European AM channel spacing, and the availability of other controls. So if the original radio is a stereo with a balance, this balance can be used. If not, the balance can be assigned to the tone control in such a way that turning the tuner to the extreme left will allow balance to be set. Tuning to the right can set fader in the same manner. These also have audio inputs, that switch automatically -- when it senses an audio signal, the radio mutes and you hear the inputs. For 6 volt cars a voltage booster is available, or an inverted for positive ground systems. For prewar cars which use capacitance tuning, a pot must be installed on the tuner, and the PCB is set up for pot tuning. The PCB itself is a little larger than a credit card, with a heat sink on one end. It outputs up to 180 watts RMS. I love to demo these in a tiny radio such as a Ford truck, and blast the parking lot at a car cruise. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Ken" wrote in message news:4FPwg.2498$5H.1870@dukeread06... > Yeah, troubles like that make you have to tell someone, it's too much to > keep inside. > One thing I have been wondering though, what do you actually do on a > conversion? I get the idea it's a radio on a pwb that fits inside the old > case, but how do you mechanically connect push buttons and switches to > make them all work like the original? I don't expect any trade secrets :) > Ken > > Gary Tayman wrote: > >> Okay guys, while you're struggling through one of your more elusive >> projects, here's one that might not make it sound so bad: >> >> On the bench I've got an AM radio from a 67 GTO. Now -- I LOVE these >> radios for conversion; I can do them with my eyes closed. But this one's >> not a conversion, he wants it repaired/restored. Spare no expense; it's >> valuable because it's from a GTO. I can't tell him it's the same radio >> as in any Tempest -- no, this one's special. Whatever. >> >> I turned on the radio, and it squealed like a pig. The squeal varies >> with the volume control. Sounds like probably a bad electrolytic, >> possibly the coupling cap on the volume control. I opened up the radio, >> and everything's rusty, corroded, obviously having lived most of its life >> in a junkyard. I removed the PCB to get to the electrolytics, and while >> it was out I cleaned and operated the tuner -- and two pushbuttons broke, >> leaf springs rusted through. >> >> Well, to make a long story shorter I spent most of the day disassembling >> the tuner, cleaning every piece, and reassembling with parts from another >> Delco radio. Replaced caps, installed the PCB, squeals like heck. >> >> So, having just converted a Chevy radio that's virtually the same thing, >> I took the PCB, transformer assembly, and heat sink, and replaced all the >> guts in the GTO. Turned it on, smoke pours out. Put the original PCB >> back in but kept the transformer assembly intact, smoke pours out again. >> >> Next step: grab a THIRD radio, from a Buick (again, virtually the same >> radio), put it on the bench and made sure it plays fine. THEN I >> carefully removed the PCB, transformer assembly, heat sink, and volume >> control as a unit. With this removed I also removed the tuning coils and >> trimmer. Installed the whole shootin' match into the GTO. Turned it on, >> dead. >> >> So -- after some yelling and screaming, throwing things, and entertaining >> the neighbors, I turned it on again and put a signal tracer to it. I >> tracked down a bad solder connection (from the factory, not one of mine). >> Resoldered everything in the vicinity, radio is playing fine. >> >> Now, I still have to swap volume controls, as this one has too long a >> shaft. So keep your fingers crossed. >> >> With this monster out of the way, I have one repair left. It's from a >> Mustang -- excuse me, it's from a Shelby. It's a special Shelby radio >> that's rare, so spare no expense . . . >> >> (It's an ordinary Mustang radio, one of only 1.4 million out there) >> >> >> > Article: 338038 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: _Lurker Subject: Re: Need Schematic and Info on RCA A-203A/SR Receiver Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:36:05 -0700 Message-ID: References: <04esg.26147$8q.11208@dukeread08> On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:56:27 -0700, Dave wrote: >RCA A-203A/SR Maybe here http://bama.sbc.edu/rca.htm Article: 338039 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 17:59:55 -0400 From: Chuck Harris Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Message-ID: Chuck Harris wrote: > I just make some paper labels using my word processor program, and print > them on > my laser printer. I wrap them around the wire, and slip a piece of > clear heat > shrink tubing over the label. > > Note, pick a font that is readable on the size wire you are labeling. > > -Chuck Harris Oh, I forgot to mention, make the labels with the ID number repeated like this: J212 J212 J212 J212 J212 When you roll them up, J212 will show up in multiple places around the tag. You can use some scotch magic transparent tape to hold the label to the wire before you put the heat shrink over top. -Chuck Harris Article: 338040 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: FA: not mine, early 1930s Chevrolet Chronicles on transcription discs Date: 23 Jul 2006 15:15:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1153692934.048473.49070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Big 33 1/3 rpm discs. I read that these were banned from broadcast radio in the early 1930s. http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=2102991 Article: 338041 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: This newsgroup Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:02:52 GMT wrote in message news:1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > I posted an inquiry on the antiques newsgroup. > I got one genuine reply right off, which wasn't very helpful. It was > followed by a dozen (stopped looking after a short while) of very > profane and vulgar responses. You don't know how good we have it in > this newsgroup. Sorta makes the past battles worth it. Just thought > you'd like to know. > Dave > I don't see the dozen responses you mentioned. jim menning http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques/browse_frm/thread/3d9cb805c52038cb/7562cb27e35a82c9?lnk=st&q=&rnum=3&hl=en#7562cb27e35a82c9 - or - http://tinyurl.com/nxs4u Article: 338042 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44c40755$0$31639$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> From: maarten@panic.xx.tudelft.nl Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> <3YWdnYzq1dmCPF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <49m7c2592husr0b56pqanftbkp9g32knit@4ax.com> <44C3DF2E.6223BBE3@earthlink.net> Date: 23 Jul 2006 23:33:41 GMT Michael A. Terrell wrote: > This is a transformerless radio? If it is, and the AC plug is > connected the wrong way you will have 120 VAC on the ground wire. Plug > that into the wrong equipment and you trip a breaker. Let someone touch > it and a real ground and they may die. Are you willing to take the > risk, and the liability for an "Accidental" death? In that case, just install a small input transormer, or am I missing something here? -- Met vriendelijke groet, Maarten Bakker. Article: 338043 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 References: <78e2c2hi73972qtn7qjj2ofndhuddqdid6@4ax.com> <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:51:46 GMT John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > In article <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, > menwagoh@msn.com says... > >> >> >>Probably none of my business, but I sent this message to the seller: >> > > > It will be interesting to see if you get a response back from the seller... > Should have added that one of the others in the old radio group said he > would sell 10 of them in unrestored condition for $1000 ... > > John k9uwa > Why bother? Chances are he'll get no bites on it, if he does manage to get anywhere near his asking price, I'm sure he'll be glad he asked so much. Article: 338044 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <73Uwg.10280$2u4.6908@trnddc06> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:58:59 GMT Jim DeClercq wrote: > Nope (top posting), wrong battery. 11.2 volts would be noticeable as very > odd. Have seen Hoffman, and they are not even close. > I'd love to know how they got 11.2V, none of the cell voltages I'm familiar with divide into it evenly. Article: 338045 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 19:59:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> <3YWdnYzq1dmCPF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <49m7c2592husr0b56pqanftbkp9g32knit@4ax.com> <44C3DF2E.6223BBE3@earthlink.net> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:43:24 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: >Blacksmith wrote: >> >> Wait, John. Don't go yet. >> I have people who I'm sure would be more likely to buy an old AM radio >> if they could inject a CD player's output or a satelite radio into it. >> How exactly is that done? Like, what kind of switch, and what kind of >> connections, and where? On the grid of the 1st audio tube? >> >> Blacksmith >> wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom > > > This is a transformerless radio? If it is, and the AC plug is >connected the wrong way you will have 120 VAC on the ground wire. Plug >that into the wrong equipment and you trip a breaker. Let someone touch >it and a real ground and they may die. Are you willing to take the >risk, and the liability for an "Accidental" death? No, it's a transformer radio. Blacksmith wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 338046 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "t.hoehler" References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <73Uwg.10280$2u4.6908@trnddc06> Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:08:51 -0400 Message-ID: "James Sweet" wrote in message news:73Uwg.10280$2u4.6908@trnddc06... > Jim DeClercq wrote: >> Nope (top posting), wrong battery. 11.2 volts would be noticeable as very >> odd. Have seen Hoffman, and they are not even close. > > > I'd love to know how they got 11.2V, none of the cell voltages I'm > familiar with divide into it evenly. IIRC, these were mercury cell stacks, 1.25 v per cell nominal, 9 cells added up to 11.25. Very easy battery to find thirty years ago, impossible today. Regards, Tom Article: 338047 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jeff, WB8NHV" Subject: Re: FA: nice 8 tube Silvertone, top of line for '35 Date: 23 Jul 2006 17:57:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153702630.419101.319090@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Scott McAuley wrote: > Mark Oppat wrote: > > I think this was the top of line table radio for Silvertone in '35. I know > > the Silvertone manual calls for two other models with same chassis that had > > a tuning meter added, but I think those were consoles. > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/SILVERTONE-tombstone-8-TUBE-wood-table-radio-1933-34_W0QQitemZ200009554837QQihZ010QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > > anyways, its an interesting set. 5 controls, one is a sensitivity switch. > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > > It would be a fine looking set once restored. I've always liked the old > silvertones. The cabinet really should be refinished and the speaker grille cloth replaced, along with the usual recapping. I'm not that familiar with Silvertone (my own personal preference runs more toward Zenith), but I do know their smaller radios from the Depression era and WWII were good and were made to last. My grandmother had a 1936 Silvertone table model radio in a black cabinet, which worked very well for over 40 years. Shoot, the thing even had its original filter caps in the mid-'70s, and it played extremely well, although it received a very strong local station at two points on the dial. It was thrown out by party or parties unknown to me when the building in which it was located (my grandmother's summer cottage) was sold some time in the 1980s after her death. The only thing wrong with the radio was, believe it or not (IIRC), the power cord was shot! Believe me, if I would have been anywhere near that cottage when it was being cleared out prior to being sold, I'd have latched on to that radio and put it in my collection without thinking twice. Whomever cleaned the place out obviously knew next to nothing about the value of Depression-era and WWII-vintage antique radios. If I were a betting man (I am not), I'd bet that little set would be worth something today. Jeff, WB8NHV (email addy not shown to deter spammers) Fairport Harbor, Ohio USA Article: 338048 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1153692934.048473.49070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: not mine, early 1930s Chevrolet Chronicles on transcription discs Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:10:52 GMT So -- what were the Chevrolet Chronicles and why were they banned? -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "AuroraOldRadios" wrote in message news:1153692934.048473.49070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Big 33 1/3 rpm discs. I read that these were banned from broadcast > radio in the early 1930s. > http://www.shopgoodwill.com/viewItem.asp?ItemID=2102991 > Article: 338049 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1153664344.841399.171030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1439-44C3A40C-187@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: FS: Short Wave Receivers Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:22:35 GMT "Ken G." wrote in message news:1439-44C3A40C-187@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net... >I cant use anymore radios like that but would like to say how nice your > post and ad is including very reasonable prices and pictures . Very > refreshing . > . . . except I was getting all excited to have a look at that sailboat -- gee, that original Zenith Clipper must be in really nice condition to go for that much. Shucks, it's a REAL sailboat! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 338050 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:44:59 +0900 Message-ID: References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <73Uwg.10280$2u4.6908@trnddc06> "t.hoehler" wrote in message news:gYmdnW5zYoMJklnZnZ2dnUVZ_oCdnZ2d@insightbb.com... > > "James Sweet" wrote in message > news:73Uwg.10280$2u4.6908@trnddc06... >> Jim DeClercq wrote: >>> Nope (top posting), wrong battery. 11.2 volts would be noticeable as >>> very odd. Have seen Hoffman, and they are not even close. >> >> >> I'd love to know how they got 11.2V, none of the cell voltages I'm >> familiar with divide into it evenly. > > IIRC, these were mercury cell stacks, 1.25 v per cell nominal, 9 cells > added up to 11.25. Very easy battery to find thirty years ago, impossible > today. > Regards, > Tom Was just reading that mercury cells were 1.35 volts and held that till within 5% of their rated life. NiCads are 1.24 volts under load.. but don't think they existed at the time. Article: 338051 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Barry" References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:55:30 -0500 Message-ID: "Chuck Harris" wrote in message news:JaudnUX_mOQrUV7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@rcn.net... > Barry wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can get some small labels made for some coaxial > > cables? Specifically, I'm looking for something that will wrap around a > > 0.085" OD coax. I'm thinking these are made somewhere, but not sure where > > to look. > > > > I'm restoring some of the interconnecting cables in an R390A and not sure if > > I can fit the old, metal ones back onto the new coax. One of them had a > > yellow label that slipped off the old coax rather easily. I slipped it on > > the new coax and secured it with some clear heat-shrink tubing. I'd like to > > do the same for the other cables. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Barry - N4BUQ > > I just make some paper labels using my word processor program, and print them on > my laser printer. I wrap them around the wire, and slip a piece of clear heat > shrink tubing over the label. > > Note, pick a font that is readable on the size wire you are labeling. > > -Chuck Harris I'm wondering about the lifespan of paper labels. I suppose the laser print will not fade as easily as color jet print, but I'm thinking the label itself doesn't hold up well over time. Perhaps sealing it under shrink tubing helps with this. I was hoping to find someone who makes these in some sort of plastic, teflon, etc. The one I replace on this R390A is probably over 30 years old and still very clear. Barry - N4BUQ Article: 338052 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: not mine, early 1930s Chevrolet Chronicles on transcription discs Date: 23 Jul 2006 18:50:14 -0700 Message-ID: <1153705814.523225.285870@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153692934.048473.49070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Gary Tayman wrote: > So -- what were the Chevrolet Chronicles and why were they banned? Check this url. find on page Chevrolet. Interesting radio history. http://www.albany.edu/faculty/gz580/documentaryproduction/authoring_in_sound.html Article: 338053 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Barry" References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:56:17 -0500 Message-ID: "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:y_Pwg.31501$uy3.20251@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > Barry wrote: > > I'm restoring some of the interconnecting cables in an R390A and not sure if > > I can fit the old, metal ones back onto the new coax. > > If you're making new cables, you can do what I do to ID cables. > I buy shrink tubing of the appropriate size, and prior to shrinking > it over the cable write on the tubing with a Fine point Sharpie. > The lettering shrinks along with the tubing and looks ok when > finished. > > Jeff > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Hmmm. I may have to try that. Thanks for the tip. Barry - N4BUQ Article: 338054 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: not mine, early 1930s Chevrolet Chronicles on transcription discs References: <1153692934.048473.49070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1153705814.523225.285870@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <6YVwg.17937$MF6.5323@tornado.socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:08:02 GMT AuroraOldRadios wrote: > Gary Tayman wrote: > >>So -- what were the Chevrolet Chronicles and why were they banned? > > > Check this url. find on page Chevrolet. Interesting radio history. > http://www.albany.edu/faculty/gz580/documentaryproduction/authoring_in_sound.html Amazing (Use the "find" function of your browser to locate Chevrolet. It figures the broadcast media would pull something like that. They still do. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 338055 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Robert Sherrod Subject: Re: Hallicrafter's S120 BFO control... References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:17:13 GMT Hello all, Just a repost in case anyones news server dropped the original before having a chance to read it. If anyone can be of assistance in locating the part requested below, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bobby KC9IHK Robert Sherrod wrote: > Hello, > > I am in search of a replacement potentiometer for the BFO control on a > Hallicrafter's S120. It is a 1.5K ohm, 1/4 watt with switch. The shaft > is approximately 5/8" long with a 1/2" long flat. I believe the > potentiometer is a Centralab as it states on the back of the switch > "Centralab Model 2". > > Also, if anyone has a one of the small knobs, black with bright insert, > for an S120, I would also be interested. It would save me the trouble of > repairing the one that was damage with the potentiometer. > > I am awaiting a reply from Mark Oppat in regards to this, but I thought > I would see if anyone else could be of assistance. > > Thanks, > > Bobby > KC9IHK Article: 338056 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:32:33 -0400 From: Chuck Harris Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Message-ID: Barry wrote: > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > news:y_Pwg.31501$uy3.20251@tornado.socal.rr.com... >> >> Barry wrote: >>> I'm restoring some of the interconnecting cables in an R390A and not > sure if >>> I can fit the old, metal ones back onto the new coax. >> If you're making new cables, you can do what I do to ID cables. >> I buy shrink tubing of the appropriate size, and prior to shrinking >> it over the cable write on the tubing with a Fine point Sharpie. >> The lettering shrinks along with the tubing and looks ok when >> finished. >> >> Jeff >> >> -- >> RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to >> the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal >> force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED >> under the Internal Security Act of 1950. > > Hmmm. I may have to try that. Thanks for the tip. > > Barry - N4BUQ If you are worried about longevity, then don't go with the sharpie pen. It uses an organic ink that fades, wipes off with cleaners... -Chuck Article: 338057 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "g. beat" <@> References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:34:08 -0500 Message-ID: "Barry" wrote in message news:2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET... > Does anyone know where I can get some small labels made for some coaxial > cables? Specifically, I'm looking for something that will wrap around a > 0.085" OD coax. I'm thinking these are made somewhere, but not sure where > to look. > > I'm restoring some of the interconnecting cables in an R390A and not sure > if > I can fit the old, metal ones back onto the new coax. One of them had a > yellow label that slipped off the old coax rather easily. I slipped it on > the new coax and secured it with some clear heat-shrink tubing. I'd like > to > do the same for the other cables. > Dymo RhinoPro 5000 http://www.hgtvpro.com/hpro/np_editorpicks/article/0,2623,HPRO_26596_4841663,00.html they have other models Article: 338058 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:36:35 -0400 From: Chuck Harris Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Message-ID: Barry wrote: >> I just make some paper labels using my word processor program, and print > them on >> my laser printer. I wrap them around the wire, and slip a piece of clear > heat >> shrink tubing over the label. >> >> Note, pick a font that is readable on the size wire you are labeling. >> >> -Chuck Harris > > I'm wondering about the lifespan of paper labels. I suppose the laser print > will not fade as easily as color jet print, but I'm thinking the label > itself doesn't hold up well over time. Perhaps sealing it under shrink > tubing helps with this. I was hoping to find someone who makes these in > some sort of plastic, teflon, etc. The one I replace on this R390A is > probably over 30 years old and still very clear. I have plenty of laser printed documents that are well older than 20 years, and they are as clear and crisp as the day they were printed. The toner is a fused plastic/carbon compound. It will not fade in your lifetime. Paper can be had in all varieties and grades. Even if you buy the cheapest copier paper it will last for your lifetime under a piece of clear heat shrink tubing. I have delivered labels made this way to the US Army on equipment I have built for them. -Chuck Harris Article: 338059 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Only $37.00 John? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:40:47 -0400 Message-ID: <12c8ga75kglq77f@corp.supernews.com> I thought I was WAY lowballing this and was surprised to win it. Shipping Priority Mail is only $16- but I may ask to pick it up as it's only 50 mins >from here. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=130008088650 John H. Article: 338060 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "theblurrrrr" Subject: Rogers Majestic Ten-60 Schematic, parts list Date: 23 Jul 2006 21:00:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1153713606.739580.129200@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> I know that there are free schematics available, but they are impossible to read at any level of detail. Does anyone have these in readable form?? Also, there is a 24volt indicator light on these sets--what is the common designation of the lamp? Thanks in advance!! Article: 338061 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 23 Jul 2006 21:09:11 -0700 Message-ID: <1153714150.992111.63410@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> jim menning wrote: > "Peter Wieck" wrote in message > news:1153220442.763702.202760@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > ptrisha wrote: > >> What? I have better things to do than to try to sell imaginary radios. To > >> all the other inquiries, I'm thinking $3500. A bluebird recently sold for > >> $7800 in excel condition on Ebay. > > > > Anywhere/way you can posts (or send) pictures? > > > > Peter Wieck > > Wyncote, PA > > > > On eBay? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130009798277 Hope you wore ALL your galoshes when you play in her rainstorm. Article: 338062 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: 23 Jul 2006 21:17:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1153714636.810501.102150@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> jim menning wrote: > wrote in message > news:1153441713.369639.276140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > I posted an inquiry on the antiques newsgroup. > > I got one genuine reply right off, which wasn't very helpful. It was > > followed by a dozen (stopped looking after a short while) of very > > profane and vulgar responses. You don't know how good we have it in > > this newsgroup. Sorta makes the past battles worth it. Just thought > > you'd like to know. > > Dave > > > > I don't see the dozen responses you mentioned. > > jim menning > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques/browse_frm/thread/3d9cb805c52038cb/7562cb27e35a82c9?lnk=st&q=&rnum=3&hl=en#7562cb27e35a82c9 > > - or - > > http://tinyurl.com/nxs4u I'm response number 10... Article: 338063 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Only $37.00 John? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <12c8ga75kglq77f@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:20:06 GMT In article <12c8ga75kglq77f@corp.supernews.com>, yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net says... > > >I thought I was WAY lowballing this and was surprised to win it. Shipping >Priority Mail is only $16- but I may ask to pick it up as it's only 50 mins >from here. > >http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=130008088650 > >John H. > > Yup Jean is on this kick that I need to be downsizing .. instead of buying radios... like I don't have more than a lifetimes supply of project radios around here already ... heck of a buy Yonny John k9uwa Article: 338064 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: nospam4me@mytrashmail.com (RadicalModerate) Subject: Re: not mine, early 1930s Chevrolet Chronicles on transcription discs Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153692934.048473.49070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Gary Tayman wrote: > So -- what were the Chevrolet Chronicles and why were they banned? The radio oligopoly didn't allow the use of recordings during the 1930s (with a couple exceptions such as the Hindenburg disaster), -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Herb Oxley From: address IS Valid. Article: 338065 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: sparton bluebird From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <249214d8645e6396c166bf75a9f47ed3@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153220442.763702.202760@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <3xWwg.11798$PN4.5588@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:24:45 GMT In article <3xWwg.11798$PN4.5588@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com>, jmenningSPAM@new.rr.com says... > > >On eBay? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130009798277 > > Good Luck on that one!.. sure hope she hit it when flea bay was having a penny listing day... otherwise ... considerable waste of money.. John k9uwa Article: 338066 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Premier 1942 Zenith Black Dial Console Radio - $1195 Date: 23 Jul 2006 21:27:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1153715278.735075.149000@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Jim Berg wrote: > I sold one about 10 years ago restoredf or about $300. They do sound > good when working, but have fake finish on the front. So does my semi-hapless '46 Motorola, but if I'm careful Mr. Schooley's techniques may save the day there. I may have to dig through Scott's archives if I don't find a picture I took. I want someone to verify it and then I might work to fill it or let someone vice versa at it. Article: 338067 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: FS: Short Wave Receivers References: <1153664344.841399.171030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1439-44C3A40C-187@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:33:50 -0500 Gary Tayman wrote: > "Ken G." wrote in message > news:1439-44C3A40C-187@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net... >> I cant use anymore radios like that but would like to say how nice your >> post and ad is including very reasonable prices and pictures . Very >> refreshing . >> > > . . . except I was getting all excited to have a look at that sailboat -- > gee, that original Zenith Clipper must be in really nice condition to go for > that much. Shucks, it's a REAL sailboat! > > My exact experience as well.... Article: 338068 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: What's this coiled wire for? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <43h5c2tof7267bj7evveftdikfmm7nb3sf@4ax.com> <3YWdnYzq1dmCPF7ZnZ2dnUVZ_oWdnZ2d@comcast.com> <49m7c2592husr0b56pqanftbkp9g32knit@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:32:50 GMT In article <49m7c2592husr0b56pqanftbkp9g32knit@4ax.com>, blacksmith1@wowway.com says... > > >Wait, John. Don't go yet. >I have people who I'm sure would be more likely to buy an old AM radio >if they could inject a CD player's output or a satelite radio into it. >How exactly is that done? Like, what kind of switch, and what kind of >connections, and where? On the grid of the 1st audio tube? > >Blacksmith >wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Hi Blacksmith ... take a look at this schematic... Zenith 6s254-AT Export Radio http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/213/M0025213.htm then also take a look at the US version of 6s254 ... the export has the switch and audio input where the US one doesn't have it... Or in the case of the one your working on 7s232 ... see the AT version http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/341/M0025341.htm After you look at a couple of them you can see how to modify a radio that you don't have a sample curcuit for it.. John k9uwa Article: 338069 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Gizmo Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Message-ID: <5dYwg.149709$S61.98931@edtnps90> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:42:41 GMT Barry wrote: > "Chuck Harris" wrote in message > news:JaudnUX_mOQrUV7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@rcn.net... >> Barry wrote: >>> Does anyone know where I can get some small labels made for some coaxial >>> cables? Specifically, I'm looking for something that will wrap around a >>> 0.085" OD coax. I'm thinking these are made somewhere, but not sure > where >>> to look. >>> >>> I'm restoring some of the interconnecting cables in an R390A and not > sure if >>> I can fit the old, metal ones back onto the new coax. One of them had a >>> yellow label that slipped off the old coax rather easily. I slipped it > on >>> the new coax and secured it with some clear heat-shrink tubing. I'd > like to >>> do the same for the other cables. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Barry - N4BUQ >> I just make some paper labels using my word processor program, and print > them on >> my laser printer. I wrap them around the wire, and slip a piece of clear > heat >> shrink tubing over the label. >> >> Note, pick a font that is readable on the size wire you are labeling. >> >> -Chuck Harris > > I'm wondering about the lifespan of paper labels. I suppose the laser print > will not fade as easily as color jet print, but I'm thinking the label > itself doesn't hold up well over time. Perhaps sealing it under shrink > tubing helps with this. I was hoping to find someone who makes these in > some sort of plastic, teflon, etc. The one I replace on this R390A is > probably over 30 years old and still very clear. > > Barry - N4BUQ You old farts planning to live that long?? Gizmotski. Article: 338070 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William B Noble (don't reply to this address)" Subject: Re: anyone need time delay relays? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:27:07 -0700 Message-ID: <9fm8c2t4k5t8pokb12fdcj4moupqhevlrj@4ax.com> References: these are handy if you are making solid state 5y3 or 5u4 or whatever replacements - the delay can hold the b+ off a few sec to let the other filaments get started warming up - supposedly ths will prolong cathode life - never measured the change in life, so judge for yourself On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 06:54:19 -0500, "philo" wrote: >While cleaning my store room...I found some Amperite time delay relays. > >Most are 26 volt octal normally closed, 10 second delay > >(26C10 ) > > >I have a few others @ 3 and 5 second delay... > >a few 6 volt > > >and a few in the 7 pin miniature variety... > >possibly a couple N.C. and sockets etc > >if anyone needs any just email me at philo_565 at yahoo > Bill www.wbnoble.com to contact me, do not reply to this message, instead correct this address and use it will iam_ b_ No ble at msn daught com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 338071 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <249214d8645e6396c166bf75a9f47ed3@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> <1153220442.763702.202760@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <3xWwg.11798$PN4.5588@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Message-ID: <7ZYwg.11907$PN4.10482@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:33:55 GMT "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message news:hYXwg.94106$1i1.63023@attbi_s72... > >> >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130009798277 >> >> > > Good Luck on that one!.. sure hope she hit it when flea bay was having > a penny listing day... otherwise ... considerable waste of money.. > "Considerable"? How so? $5.05 is not a lot to gamble with when looking for a sucker. Insertion fee is only $4.80, BIN fee is only 25 cents. Pictures are being hosted off eBay. jim menning Article: 338072 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12c8ga75kglq77f@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Only $37.00 John? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 01:50:28 -0400 Message-ID: good find, there, Yonny! Hell, you can sell the 3 original wood knobs for almost the price you paid for that set! Then, buy Larry B's repros (they look fantastic)as a set and away you go! Mark Oppat "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12c8ga75kglq77f@corp.supernews.com... > I thought I was WAY lowballing this and was surprised to win it. Shipping > Priority Mail is only $16- but I may ask to pick it up as it's only 50 mins > from here. > > http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=130008088650 > > John H. > > > Article: 338073 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jim Mueller Subject: Is there any antique radio stuff in the Santa Clara/San Jose area? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 05:59:03 -0000 Message-ID: Greetings, I will be traveling to the Santa Clara/San Jose, California area soon. Are there any antique radio/electronics things to see or do there? I have a tourist guide; I'm looking for the kind of stuff that the "locals" know about, things like museums, swap meets, electronic surplus or "junk" stores, or anything like that. Places as far away as San Francisco or Oakland should be possible to visit. I am planning to go to the railroad museum in Sacramento so that is also possible. Thanks, -- Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 338074 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: 1950's WEBCOR MUSICALE owners manuals-$10 free shipping Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:01:06 -0700 Message-ID: <2co8c2dbtfbqqkn7ab4ak693lc9j1194ov@4ax.com> References: <1153433554.975249.206720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1153676292.285802.308990@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 23 Jul 2006 10:38:12 -0700, smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com wrote: > >Ken Doyle wrote: >> Your last FA post had FA in the header, what's the matter, bored? Raking >> muck again! >> >> Ken D. >> >> wrote in message >> news:1153433554.975249.206720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> > ebay.com/,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > >thanks for the ad bump ...which means nothing to 99% of readers in here. Noodles, being an idiot, thinks the world uses "goo goo groopz," when in fact, it's only responsible for .4% of Usenet traffic...a good chunk of that being his own spam. Noodles, posts don't get "bumped" in a real newsreader...only in "goo goo groopz." Besides, no one in here would ever buy anything from you, anyway. I've made doubly sure of that. By the way...going to send more letters threatening "legal action" against my ISP, the news servers and half the world because I've crushed your eBay fraud empire? Go right ahead...everyone's yukking it up over THAT one! Article: 338075 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 02:56:08 -0400 Message-ID: Here's a set you dont see everyday... well, in fact I've never seen it in my over 30 years of collecting. My buddy Dan Gutowski is selling this... http://cgi.ebay.com/1936-13-tube-Truetone-Wells-Gardner-console-radio_W0QQitemZ230010632827QQihZ013QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Wells-Gardner stuff is very well made, I like them. The lower speaker on this is aimed up to project the mids/highs better. This thing should rock once its recapped. Mark Oppat Article: 338076 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:51:44 -0700 Message-ID: References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <73Uwg.10280$2u4.6908@trnddc06> Brenda Ann wrote: > > > Was just reading that mercury cells were 1.35 volts and held that till > within 5% of their rated life. NiCads are 1.24 volts under load.. but don't > think they existed at the time. > > > I have a 1970s-era military VOM that uses six of these cells and depends on their extrordinary stability as a voltage reference for correct operation. They are now banned by international treaty (unobtainable and illegal to sell or manufacture at ANY price), and the only size-equivalent replacements are $10.00 apiece, are 1.5 volts, and don't even have the same voltage stability charcteristics as the old mercury cells. I have seen many of these same VOMs in near-new condition at all sorts of surplus venues. I'll bet Uncle Sam surplussed them by the thousands after the ban on mercury cells went into effect. One of these days i'll probably try to convert mine to AC operation...It appears to be utterly useless without the proper voltages. -Scott -- DO NOT REPLY TO THIS MESSAGE AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS ABOVE! Instead, go to the following web page to get my real email address: http://member.newsguy.com/~polezi/scottsaddy.htm (This has been done because I am sick of SPAMMERS making my email unusable) Vintage radio schematics, Binary newsgroup archives, TV Test pattern DVD and other great radio-related stuff is just one click away at: http://techpreservation.dyndns.org Article: 338077 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44C4780B.10F52877@earthlink.net> From: "Michael A. Terrell" Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <73Uwg.10280$2u4.6908@trnddc06> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:35:15 GMT "Scott W. Harvey" wrote: > > Brenda Ann wrote: > > > > > > > Was just reading that mercury cells were 1.35 volts and held that till > > within 5% of their rated life. NiCads are 1.24 volts under load.. but don't > > think they existed at the time. > > > > > > > I have a 1970s-era military VOM that uses six of these cells and depends > on their extrordinary stability as a voltage reference for correct > operation. > > They are now banned by international treaty (unobtainable and illegal to > sell or manufacture at ANY price), and the only size-equivalent > replacements are $10.00 apiece, are 1.5 volts, and don't even have the > same voltage stability charcteristics as the old mercury cells. > > I have seen many of these same VOMs in near-new condition at all sorts > of surplus venues. I'll bet Uncle Sam surplussed them by the thousands > after the ban on mercury cells went into effect. One of these days i'll > probably try to convert mine to AC operation...It appears to be > utterly useless without the proper voltages. > > -Scott Scott, there are some inexpensive, but very stable semiconductor voltage references. A good opamp and a few other parts will let you set any reasonable reference voltage you need. I designed and built one that was within a few millivolts before it was calibrated. If you use 1% or better resistors the calibration generally comes down to adjusting the gain to offset the Opamp's DC offset voltage. We used a lot of LF347 opamps in our products, so they were usually used in the test fixtures, as well. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida Article: 338078 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Premier Zenith and pix of the cabinet I mention from ABPR archives ID PLEASE? Date: 24 Jul 2006 01:49:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1153730984.734353.59750@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Just get in there and click on Z...the first 12 pictures are that cabinet. Is this one that would take that chassis and where can I find one? Thank you, Steven Article: 338079 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Sherwin" Subject: Re: Use of AVO VCM163 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:09:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153681304.784413.43120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 12:01:44 -0700, bolly wrote: > can someone lead me by the hand? You may find some detailed help if you post to Paul Stenning's UK Vintage Radio forum, http://www.vintage-radio.net. HTH, Paul Article: 338080 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "bolly" Subject: Re: Use of AVO VCM163 Date: 24 Jul 2006 03:19:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1153736359.107621.259550@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1153681304.784413.43120@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Thanks Paul, thats the second time I've seen that site in the last 2 days, I guess it's time for me to join. Thanks again! Greg Article: 338081 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Only $37.00 John? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:14:54 -0400 Message-ID: <12c9atlgvsi2a24@corp.supernews.com> References: <12c8ga75kglq77f@corp.supernews.com> "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:c-CdndE-7oppw1nZnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Hell, you can sell the 3 original wood knobs for almost the price you paid > for that set! I have extras, that's why I got it :)! John H. Article: 338082 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:20:23 -0400 From: K3HVG Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Message-ID: I use the Brother "P-Touch", Model PT-1400 label maker, available from Staples or Office Depot. Its not too expensive and has a variety of label materials. Although they appear to stay put on coax (RG-58, 214, et al)alone, I do use the clear shrink tubing retention method. I got the cue from a Telco installation team at one of our commo sites. They stuck them on and they're still there, a year or so later. de K3HVG > Dymo RhinoPro 5000 > http://www.hgtvpro.com/hpro/np_editorpicks/article/0,2623,HPRO_26596_4841663,00.html > > they have other models > > Article: 338083 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <186dnZ_t5cSXF1_ZnZ2dnUVZ_rGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1153601857.329133.22370@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <73Uwg.10280$2u4.6908@trnddc06> Subject: Re: Zenith 500H transistor radio sold for $678 ?? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:29:57 -0700 Message-ID: >> Was just reading that mercury cells were 1.35 volts and held that >> 'til within 5% of their rated life. NiCads are 1.24 volts under load... >> but don't think they existed at the time. Consumer nickel-cadmium cells existed from at least 1956. I had a GE transistor radio that took two AAs. (I forget the model, but it was the first transistor radio selling for $40. Nice metal case, and a huge metal tuning cap that quickly and irreparably (?) broke the the PC board.) > I have a 1970s-era military VOM that uses six of these cells and > depends on their extrordinary stability as a voltage reference for > correct operation. A VOM does not require any power source for "correct operation" -- at least for reading voltage or current. It is a passive device -- except when reading resistance, where a voltage source is required. The meter is commonly calibrated before use by shorting the leads and adjusting a pot for "zero". A military VOM might incorporate a voltage reference and some means of calibration to it -- but a VOM does not _require_ a reference to work correctly. > They are now banned by international treaty (unobtainable and illegal > to sell or manufacture at ANY price), and the only size-equivalent > replacements are $10 apiece, are 1.5 volts, and don't even have > the same voltage stability charcteristics as the old mercury cells. I recently bought A640 alkaline cells for $2.50 each. Alkaline cells do not have as flat a discharge curve as mercury or nicad cells. > I have seen many of these same VOMs in near-new condition at all > sorts of surplus venues. I'll bet Uncle Sam surplussed them by the > thousands after the ban on mercury cells went into effect. One of > these days I'll probably try to convert mine to AC operation... > It appears to be utterly useless without the proper voltages. If this is true, it is one weird VOM. What is the point of operating a VOM on AC? It's like building an AC adapter for a flashlight. Article: 338084 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Another Question for Gary Tayman Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:22:14 -0400 I got one of three 1948 6 volt Mopar 804's working great, but on vib. power the B+ is only 145V, 6V @ 5.8A in. Set still works great, but the diag calls for 300V at the 6X4 cathode. I can see why it's low, xfmr resistance, plates to gnd., is 350 ohms, diag calls fot 2K. All three 804 xfmrs read exactly the same, resistance and output voltage??? Could this schematic be wrong, or do I have three bad transformers? Ken Article: 338085 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "radionutz" Subject: WORBUD? Message-ID: <3r4xg.2338$gF6.204@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:03:43 GMT HI; I posted this message on alt. binaries with a picture but if some of you don't look there, here it is again. I have a nice little clock radio from somewhere in the 50s that I am trying to get some background information on. The only thing that I have in the way of ID is that on the dial it says THE RANCHER by WORBUD. It has a tube layout tag inside that says Worbud Associates, Belingham, NJ. Thats it. The chassis is a pretty strait forword AA5 so no problem with working on it but I would just like to know its' history and/or background. Anybody know this thing and/or any help appreciated. Since I can't post a picture here you can go to my web site then click on "wood table page two on the left menu and it is there part way down the page. -- Check out my web site at: www.home.earthlink.net/~dmign/index.htm Article: 338086 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: siliconvalleyEE@gmail.com Subject: Re: Is there any antique radio stuff in the Santa Clara/San Jose area? Date: 24 Jul 2006 07:25:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1153751111.992395.87500@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: For surplus stores, junk...check out the link...descriptions are right on the money... http://www.bluefeathertech.com/technoid/calswapindex.html For antique radios: http://www.californiahistoricalradio.com/ Hope this helps... siliconvalley_ee ========================================================= Jim Mueller wrote: > Greetings, > > I will be traveling to the Santa Clara/San Jose, California area soon. Are > there any antique radio/electronics things to see or do there? I have a > tourist guide; I'm looking for the kind of stuff that the "locals" know > about, things like museums, swap meets, electronic surplus or "junk" > stores, or anything like that. Places as far away as San Francisco or > Oakland should be possible to visit. I am planning to go to the railroad > museum in Sacramento so that is also possible. > > Thanks, > > -- > Jim Mueller wrongname@nospam.com > > To get my real email address, replace wrongname with eportiz. Then replace > nospam with sacbeemail. Article: 338087 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Another Question for Gary Tayman References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:34:31 -0400 And I have four other 6V vib. xfmrs pulled from junk sets. None check over 300 ohms to ct. on the hi-v windings. This Mopar 804 is an 8 tube chassis, with push-pull 6V6 output. Seems like a lot for that small xfmr. Is this another classic failure for old 6V sets? Ken Ken wrote: > I got one of three 1948 6 volt Mopar 804's working great, but on vib. > power the B+ is only 145V, 6V @ 5.8A in. Set still works great, but the > diag calls for 300V at the 6X4 cathode. I can see why it's low, xfmr > resistance, plates to gnd., is 350 ohms, diag calls fot 2K. All three > 804 xfmrs read exactly the same, resistance and output voltage??? Could > this schematic be wrong, or do I have three bad transformers? Ken > Article: 338088 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 14:37:03 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >Here's a set you dont see everyday... well, in fact I've never seen it in my >over 30 years of collecting. My buddy Dan Gutowski is selling this... > >http://cgi.ebay.com/1936-13-tube-Truetone-Wells-Gardner-console-radio_W0QQite mZ230010632827QQihZ013QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >Wells-Gardner stuff is very well made, I like them. The lower speaker on >this is aimed up to project the mids/highs better. This thing should rock >once its recapped. > >Mark Oppat > > > I did restoration on the Truetone version of this one for a customer last year... it was one super playing radio... John k9uwa Article: 338089 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: Subject: Re: Is there any antique radio stuff in the Santa Clara/San Jose area? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:48:18 -0700 Message-ID: <44c4ddb3$0$34530$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Check out the website for the California Historical Radio Society. They have excellent swaps monthly. Hopefully you'll be in the area at the right time. There is also an electronics swap at DeAnza college. A google search will give details. Steve Article: 338090 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: Line Bypass Caps Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:10:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153422154.542210.135550@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44bfd1c1$0$2132$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <44C10250.2B26C2BF@earthlink.net> <1153501120.643920.278540@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> In Jeffrey D Angus writes: >toxcrusadr wrote: >> I don't know how we'd judge pre-WWII conditions from here in a relative >> way, because "lots of noise" could mean anything. >Predominately, it meant noise from buzzer type appliances such as >electric razors, and arcing brushes from universal motors in vacuum >cleaners and small kitchen appliances. I've seen electric fans from the 30's advertised as "radio fans" because they used induction motors. Presumably the manufacturer was touting the lack of brushes and attendant noise. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338091 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Another Question for Gary Tayman References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:14:24 -0400 Wrong again, the hi-voltage winding resistance should be 200 ohms, plate to ct. So that's not what's makeing the B+ low. At 250V from bench supply, B+ current is 75ma. Too much? Ken Ken wrote: > I got one of three 1948 6 volt Mopar 804's working great, but on vib. > power the B+ is only 145V, 6V @ 5.8A in. Set still works great, but the > diag calls for 300V at the 6X4 cathode. I can see why it's low, xfmr > resistance, plates to gnd., is 350 ohms, diag calls fot 2K. All three > 804 xfmrs read exactly the same, resistance and output voltage??? Could > this schematic be wrong, or do I have three bad transformers? Ken > Article: 338092 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Heriberto" References: Subject: Re: 1948 Auto Radio IF Problem Message-ID: <44c4f47a_1@x-privat.org> Date: 24 Jul 2006 18:25:30 +0200 Hi Ken: In order to find out as it is the IF fits the dial on a noticeable frequency (by ej. 590 kc.) and with another receiver it deals to catch the signal of the local oscillator of its car-receiver . If oscillates around 840. the IF will be 256 kc.; but if the IF is 455 IF kc. the local oscillator to be listened to in 1045 kc. Good luck Regards from Argentina Heriberto LU6DBU "Rune" escribió en el mensaje news:TExwg.1322$v82.316@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com... > Are you certain they're 455KC? Many car radios of the day used 256KC like > tube portables. > > It would explain the symptom too. You can "almost" tune them at one extreme, > depending on the design of the set but you're WAY off because you're tuning > a harmonic. > > Try again at 256kHz and see what happens. Do them all, even the one that did > peak. > > Ray > > "Ken" wrote in message > news:Ibowg.2170$5H.1090@dukeread06... > > Don't work on auto sets often, so I was wondering if they had any special > > IF can problems. This is a 1948 Mopar 804, the 1st IF will almost but not > > quite peak, either side. 2nd is ok. The slugs are maxed in (cw) on both > > sides, but at this time don't know if it's max or min inductance. They are > > the minature 455kc cans. Any silver migration probs in this vintage? Ken > > > > Article: 338093 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Another Question for Gary Tayman Date: 24 Jul 2006 10:41:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1153762891.732992.58680@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: As you have discovered, Ken, the 200 ohms is about right. There needs to be some resistance to limit the peak currents in the rectifier, but one does not want to loose too much power in the winding or there are efficiency and heating issues. That current you read at 250V sounds about right for that type of tube line-up. Have you checked the rectifier? Replaced with a new one? Since you have about 1/2 the voltage with vibrator, what do you read downstream at the second filter cap compared to 250V operation? I ask this because there could be two problems: If the input filter cap is ineffective [high ESR or open circuit] then there will be high ripple which may look like a low voltage on a DC meter. Or, the vibrator may not be functioning properly and only giving a defective pulse train with lots of dropouts. Have you replaced the timing capacitor across the secondary winding? They usually short, but it may be leaky or open. If possible, 'scope the cathode of the rectifier and see how much ripple. Should be less than 20V. Neil S. Ken wrote: > Wrong again, the hi-voltage winding resistance should be 200 ohms, plate > to ct. So that's not what's makeing the B+ low. At 250V from bench > supply, B+ current is 75ma. Too much? Ken > > Ken wrote: > > > I got one of three 1948 6 volt Mopar 804's working great, but on vib. > > power the B+ is only 145V, 6V @ 5.8A in. Set still works great, but the > > diag calls for 300V at the 6X4 cathode. I can see why it's low, xfmr > > resistance, plates to gnd., is 350 ohms, diag calls fot 2K. All three > > 804 xfmrs read exactly the same, resistance and output voltage??? Could > > this schematic be wrong, or do I have three bad transformers? Ken > > Article: 338094 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: PING John Goller you have email with 5 pix of the cabinet I am asking about Date: 24 Jul 2006 10:46:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1153763219.227628.279360@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I think you have a chassis too but you tell me. Steven wrote: > Just get in there and click on Z...the first 12 pictures are that > cabinet. > > Is this one that would take that chassis and where can I find one? > > Thank you, Steven Article: 338095 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 24 Jul 2006 11:09:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <50525985fcc744f2f17bae8aad55a8c5@localhost.talkaboutcollecting.com> jim menning wrote: > "John Goller, k9uwa" wrote in message > news:hYXwg.94106$1i1.63023@attbi_s72... > > > >> > >>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130009798277 > >> > >> > > > > Good Luck on that one!.. sure hope she hit it when flea bay was having > > a penny listing day... otherwise ... considerable waste of money.. > > > > > "Considerable"? How so? $5.05 is not a lot to gamble with when looking for a > sucker. > > Insertion fee is only $4.80, BIN fee is only 25 cents. Pictures are being hosted off > eBay. > > jim menning THAT'S all it is??? A mirror over the front of a really boring looking wood cabinet? If that's worth 7,000 clams the sewers are goldmines...even if it IS a really pretty mirror. Somehow I thought it would be really special. Article: 338096 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: isotope115@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Is there any antique radio stuff in the Santa Clara/San Jose area? Date: 24 Jul 2006 11:26:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1153765579.693071.63740@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: There is a lot less good stuff around here than there used to be. The electronics swap meets have dwindled, but they're still the places to make some surprising discoveries. The best stuff disappears very early in the morning at the DeAnza meets (before 7:00AM). The next swap meet at DeAnza College is the 12th of August. There is a swap meet run by the California Historical Radio Society on August 5th at Foothill College. Those meets don't get under way until 9:00AM. The best of the surplus stores that are still around is HSC in Santa Clara, but the inventory is somewhat limited these days. Article: 338097 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Tom Mills" References: <44c4ddb3$0$34530$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> <1153765579.693071.63740@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Is there any antique radio stuff in the Santa Clara/San Jose area? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:21:49 -0400 Message-ID: Is Foothill College where they have the Radio museum? Cool place to visit if it's the one that I visited years ago! Tom > There is a lot less good stuff around here than there used to be. The > electronics swap meets have dwindled, but they're still the places to > make some surprising discoveries. The best stuff disappears very early > in the morning at the DeAnza meets (before 7:00AM). The next swap meet > at DeAnza College is the 12th of August. There is a swap meet run by > the California Historical Radio Society on August 5th at Foothill > College. Those meets don't get under way until 9:00AM. > > The best of the surplus stores that are still around is HSC in Santa > Clara, but the inventory is somewhat limited these days. > Article: 338098 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? Date: 24 Jul 2006 13:29:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153772950.657707.255390@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Chuck Harris wrote: > I just make some paper labels using my word processor program, and print them on > my laser printer. I wrap them around the wire, and slip a piece of clear heat > shrink tubing over the label. I've done the same thing, except the labels were handwritten (block letters, obviously). Was a trick I learned from a radio station engineer I used to ride with back in my mid-teenage years. This method certainly looks more professional than tags hanging from the cable - or even those little digit strips that you'd wrap around the wire to make up a code. Anyone remember THAT???? UGH! -- Stephanie Weil New York City, NY From suptjudatcomcastdotnet Tue Jul 25 12:19:33 EDT 2006 Article: 338099 of rec.antiques.radio+phono NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:01:55 -0500 From: "TerryJ" Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Oscillation Stromberg Carlson 1121PL Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:01:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Message-ID: Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.56.6.144 X-Trace: sv3-5exofNuteyWSwKmmz+x0TLqnf9FCFkVTERZHQ1WsCI0BGZVi7wsmdB7zUPdMuSEVW0WVJCHurkDNt/0!fijjS1YU3E3rftLZ/QPUb1Ywi1Vnv2UOySZDGMlzGkmKX/MFSmRHQNY8OaL80z0jsahmjw4QqXcD!HLZ789ww8Q== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.32 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local02.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:338099 This is a chassis that is being refurbished to put in a 'Frankenradio' that I building. Schematic snippet is from a Stromberg Carlson 1121PL from 1946. http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud/PhaseInverterModn.JPG The diagram on the right is my attempt to 'simplify' the schematic. A complete schematic is here. http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/292/M0021292.pdf The circuit oscillates at around 150kHz without the added 250pF cap from the speaker connection to the cathode of the 6SC7. All resistors are within 5%and caps have been replaced and tubes substituted. I even subbed 6F6s for the original 6V6s. The power supply originally was a cap input design with 340v and 230v outputs and used big shunt resistors to stabilize the voltage when a wire recorder was not connected. I changed it to a choke input to reduce the heat in the radio. The change made no difference in the oscillation problem but did reduce maximum output since plate voltage dropped to 270V on the 6V6s. It is completely stable with the added 250pF cap. Even at full volume I see no oscillation bursts in the waveform. Without the cap there is a constant high frequency signal on G1. The original symptom was distorted audio using the original speaker. Before I determined that it was oscillating it melted the voice coil destroying the speaker. I subbed a PM speaker in a proper enclosure and sound now is remarkably good for a 60 year old radio. I don't think SC would sell a design that was inherently unstable... or would they? It appears that the signal is coupled from triode 2 to 1 via the cathode resistor AC drop. The 68K resistor in the grid of triode 1 provides feedback to keep the output signals equal...? There is also feedback from the plate of the output tube V1 to the plate of inverter tube triode 2 through the 1.5meg resistor. The wire recorder must have had its own amp. The connector appears to have only B+ , 6.3V AC and audio. The radio had a 5U4 originally. Since the recorder was not available (perhaps never?) I put in a 5V4 when it was converted to choke input. The whole chassis is a lot cooler and works great. It just bugs me that I had to 'modify' the audio section to make it work. -- Kind regards, Terry Judkins http://home.comcast.net/~suptjud What if one day we all find out that the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?! Article: 338100 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "BH" Subject: Re: Small Coaxial Cable Labels? Date: 24 Jul 2006 14:31:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1153776716.851724.253210@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <2abe0$44c3c839$18d649b3$28098@KNOLOGY.NET> Barry wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get some small labels made for some coaxial > cables? Specifically, I'm looking for something that will wrap around a > 0.085" OD coax. I'm thinking these are made somewhere, but not sure where > to look. > > I'm restoring some of the interconnecting cables in an R390A and not sure if > I can fit the old, metal ones back onto the new coax. One of them had a > yellow label that slipped off the old coax rather easily. I slipped it on > the new coax and secured it with some clear heat-shrink tubing. I'd like to > do the same for the other cables. > > Thanks, > > Barry - N4BUQ Find who does High End custom residential audio or home theater in your city. The better ones all have cable label machines. Bruce Article: 338101 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Another Question for Gary Tayman References: <1153762891.732992.58680@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:14:49 -0400 The 6V6's are taking 63ma, without them total curren is 17ma. The filter caps and buffer are new, getting 6V P-P ripple, input to filter. Now that I know the xfmr is ok, I'm going to try another vib. Thanks for the hints. Ken nesesu wrote: > As you have discovered, Ken, the 200 ohms is about right. There needs > to be some resistance to limit the peak currents in the rectifier, but > one does not want to loose too much power in the winding or there are > efficiency and heating issues. > That current you read at 250V sounds about right for that type of tube > line-up. > Have you checked the rectifier? Replaced with a new one? > Since you have about 1/2 the voltage with vibrator, what do you read > downstream at the second filter cap compared to 250V operation? I ask > this because there could be two problems: If the input filter cap is > ineffective [high ESR or open circuit] then there will be high ripple > which may look like a low voltage on a DC meter. Or, the vibrator may > not be functioning properly and only giving a defective pulse train > with lots of dropouts. > Have you replaced the timing capacitor across the secondary winding? > They usually short, but it may be leaky or open. > If possible, 'scope the cathode of the rectifier and see how much > ripple. Should be less than 20V. > > Neil S. > > Ken wrote: > >>Wrong again, the hi-voltage winding resistance should be 200 ohms, plate >>to ct. So that's not what's makeing the B+ low. At 250V from bench >>supply, B+ current is 75ma. Too much? Ken >> >>Ken wrote: >> >> >>>I got one of three 1948 6 volt Mopar 804's working great, but on vib. >>>power the B+ is only 145V, 6V @ 5.8A in. Set still works great, but the >>>diag calls for 300V at the 6X4 cathode. I can see why it's low, xfmr >>>resistance, plates to gnd., is 350 ohms, diag calls fot 2K. All three >>>804 xfmrs read exactly the same, resistance and output voltage??? Could >>>this schematic be wrong, or do I have three bad transformers? Ken >>> > > Article: 338102 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: This newsgroup Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:25:47 -0500 Message-ID: <23234-44C556FB-744@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153714636.810501.102150@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> I lost count. cuhulin Article: 338103 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:05:20 -0600 Message-ID: <29038-44C56040-56@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> THAT`S all it is??? A mirror over the front of a really boring looking wood cabinet? YEP in other words a ``novelty radio`` just like a radio that looks like a lamp or chest . Blue mirrors are not that expensive . Article: 338104 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Only $37.00 John? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:35:11 -0600 Message-ID: <29036-44C5673F-1043@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> References: 37$ ??? did you include the wrong link ? it was 78$ on my screen . Faux finish is destroyed but by watching ebay the chassis may be worth that . Those knobs are the small ones Article: 338105 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: 1950's WEBCOR MUSICALE owners manuals-$10 free shipping Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 17:20:49 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1153433554.975249.206720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1153676292.285802.308990@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 23 Jul 2006 10:38:12 -0700, smogchokedLosAngeles@hotmail.com wrote: > >Ken Doyle wrote: >> Your last FA post had FA in the header, what's the matter, bored? Raking >> muck again! >> >> Ken D. >> >> wrote in message >> news:1153433554.975249.206720@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> > ebay.com/,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, > >thanks for the ad bump ...which means nothing to 99% of readers in here. Noodles, being an idiot, thinks the world uses "goo goo groopz," when in fact, it's only responsible for .4% of Usenet traffic...a good chunk of that being his own spam. Noodles, posts don't get "bumped" in a real newsreader...only in "goo goo groopz." Besides, no one in here would ever buy anything from you, anyway. I've made doubly sure of that. By the way...going to send more letters threatening "legal action" against my ISP, the news servers and half the world because I've crushed your eBay fraud empire? Go right ahead...everyone's yukking it up over THAT one! Article: 338106 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Another Question for Gary Tayman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:45:59 GMT It seems as though others have already given you the same answers I would've. All of that current sounds correct, and I seriously doubt that a bad power transformer would cause the low voltage -- that is unless one side is kaput and you're getting half-wave, but that sounds far-fetched. One factor that I'm still questioning is your input voltage. Is it exactly 6 volts? I'm not sure what Sams bases it on, probably 6.3 volts. When I play a radio on the bench, I use around 6.8. Remember, the voltage varies quite a bit inside the generator-powered car. Although it's been awhile since I've worked on one of these, I don't recall the B+ being anywhere near 300 volts. Most car radios of this ilk run about 220-250. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Ken" wrote in message news:cQ3xg.2527$5H.2074@dukeread06... >I got one of three 1948 6 volt Mopar 804's working great, but on vib. power >the B+ is only 145V, 6V @ 5.8A in. Set still works great, but the diag >calls for 300V at the 6X4 cathode. I can see why it's low, xfmr resistance, >plates to gnd., is 350 ohms, diag calls fot 2K. All three 804 xfmrs read >exactly the same, resistance and output voltage??? Could this schematic be >wrong, or do I have three bad transformers? Ken > Article: 338107 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <29038-44C56040-56@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> In <29038-44C56040-56@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) writes: >YEP in other words a ``novelty radio`` just like a radio that looks like >a lamp or chest . I've heard it was supposed to be an abstract representation of a biplane (triplane?) in the sky. The blue mirror is the sky, the feet sorta correspond to the landing gear, and, uh... Well, I did say "abstract". The category of novelty radio usually refers to a slightly more literal imitation of some other object -- spice chest (never did get that one), sailboat, orange, etc. >Blue mirrors are not that expensive . Neither is oil paint and canvas. What's the point? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338108 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Only $37.00 John? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 20:54:10 -0400 Message-ID: <12caqtrifdt5231@corp.supernews.com> References: <29036-44C5673F-1043@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Ken, the link was NOT to the auction. The link was to Bid history. JOHN G'S max bid was $36.99, not mine. Also, faux finish is over real walnut veneer- you knew that, right? I've never had one and I know that... :) John H. "Ken G." wrote in message news:29036-44C5673F-1043@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net... > 37$ ??? did you include the wrong link ? it was 78$ on my screen . Faux > finish is destroyed but by watching ebay the chassis may be worth that . > Those knobs are the small ones > Article: 338109 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1153692934.048473.49070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: not mine, early 1930s Chevrolet Chronicles on transcription discs Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:03:48 GMT Yes, and when you consider cost savings, it's amazing some startup network didn't seize the opportunity and offer recorded programming at less cost to any station that wanted to sign on. It's true that mixing/cutting was not practical, so any program still had to be recorded live, but there were still some serious advantages. For example, the actors could come in and do a week's worth of shows in one session, in contrast to coming in every day and doing the show twice -- one for the east coast and one for the west. Stations would have a little freedom to air the show two or more times, or to change their schedule to fit the local audience. These were all lessons that apparently were learned far too late. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "robert casey" wrote in message news:Cv9xg.9330$vO.5621@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net... > >> >> The radio oligopoly didn't allow the use of recordings during >> the 1930s (with a couple exceptions such as the Hindenburg disaster), >> > > Today radio station owners work hard to use only recorded material. Saves > on DJ and announcer salaries. Talk about a complete turnaround... Article: 338110 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Only $37.00 John? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <29036-44C5673F-1043@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <12caqtrifdt5231@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: <5zexg.95438$1i1.68967@attbi_s72> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:34:58 GMT In article <12caqtrifdt5231@corp.supernews.com>, yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net says... > > >Ken, the link was NOT to the auction. The link was to Bid history. JOHN G'S >max bid was $36.99, not mine. > > >John H. Yup John was messing with me over my ElCheapo Bid .. actually it was just a bid to sort of mark the spot... with intentions of going back and hitting it at the end of the game... well in this case ... The Game was Up when Jean noticed me bidding on a couple of items... something about Downsizing .. will see! Glad Yonny got the Tombstone ... Something thats really amazing about this radio... now don't shoot me because this "Isn't the Way It is Supposed to BE " Since that Faux Finish is already messed up... the wood that is under that Faux Crap is really very nice.. it goes around the radio rather than vertical grain... and if you strip the crap off.. and finish the wood under it... that radio looks really super! ... Gasp... Better yet if you POLISH the Escutcheon!... John k9uwa Article: 338111 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: norml Subject: Re: not mine, early 1930s Chevrolet Chronicles on transcription discs Message-ID: References: <1153692934.048473.49070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:44:29 GMT There were many distributors of recorded programs on those transcriptions in the '30s and '40s. There were some music libraries distributed that way, too. RCA had one. Four or so cuts on a side. The ban on recorded material was maintained by Sarnoff's NBC in the early years. I can't recall when it was lifted. Many other broadcasters weren't so persnickety. I don't know about savings. The things weighed a lot, contained only fifteen minutes on a side and were relatively fragile. The transcription format originated as part of Western Electric's sound movie system in the mid '20s. It was adopted for radio recordings when the movies quickly switched to sound-on-film. The format only died away in the late '50s as tape recorders became economical. Even then, many small radio stations maintaintained disc lathes for local programs and commercials--cutting them on one-off acetate blanks. In the case of commercials, the dated cuts would be Xed out with grease pencil as the usable surface of the disc was consumed. Norm "Gary Tayman" wrotf: >Yes, and when you consider cost savings, it's amazing some startup network >didn't seize the opportunity and offer recorded programming at less cost to >any station that wanted to sign on. > >It's true that mixing/cutting was not practical, so any program still had to >be recorded live, but there were still some serious advantages. For >example, the actors could come in and do a week's worth of shows in one >session, in contrast to coming in every day and doing the show twice -- one >for the east coast and one for the west. Stations would have a little >freedom to air the show two or more times, or to change their schedule to >fit the local audience. These were all lessons that apparently were learned >far too late. Article: 338112 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Another Question for Gary Tayman References: Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:56:58 -0400 I'm using an old 6V Electrox battery eliminator, choke input filter heavily sedated with an 8,400 uf on the output, good for 15 amps. Some ripple, but pretty solid. I'll increase my input, run a heat test for a couple hours, if it looks good it's going into that 48 Desoto and on to a nostalgic trip to Boston with it's owner and his dog. This is my first dose of older car sets, and maybe my last. I've learned a lot, thanks all. Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > It seems as though others have already given you the same answers I > would've. All of that current sounds correct, and I seriously doubt that a > bad power transformer would cause the low voltage -- that is unless one side > is kaput and you're getting half-wave, but that sounds far-fetched. > > One factor that I'm still questioning is your input voltage. Is it exactly > 6 volts? I'm not sure what Sams bases it on, probably 6.3 volts. When I > play a radio on the bench, I use around 6.8. Remember, the voltage varies > quite a bit inside the generator-powered car. > > Although it's been awhile since I've worked on one of these, I don't recall > the B+ being anywhere near 300 volts. Most car radios of this ilk run about > 220-250. > > Article: 338113 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: pgonshor@aol.com Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: 24 Jul 2006 19:01:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1153792899.303520.251050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: H'ain't much to look at, 'tis it? Dave Article: 338114 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 02:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153792899.303520.251050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In <1153792899.303520.251050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> pgonshor@aol.com writes: >H'ain't much to look at, 'tis it? That's what I thought. Decent lines, but not much to catch the eye. Kinda plain-jane. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338115 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:58:41 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Here's an unusual one for Mr.Tayman. Message-ID: I thought of Gary Tayman when I saw this radio. Not exactly a car radio, but close. It's made to mount on a tractor. I'd like to have it just for the novelty. Ebay item #150015068599 Article: 338116 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 24 Jul 2006 20:04:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1153796661.621347.246450@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Tim Mullen wrote: > In <29038-44C56040-56@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) writes: > > >YEP in other words a ``novelty radio`` just like a radio that looks like > >a lamp or chest . > > I've heard it was supposed to be an abstract representation of a > biplane (triplane?) in the sky. The blue mirror is the sky, the > feet sorta correspond to the landing gear, and, uh... Well, I did > say "abstract". > > The category of novelty radio usually refers to a slightly more > literal imitation of some other object -- spice chest (never did > get that one), sailboat, orange, etc. > > >Blue mirrors are not that expensive . > > Neither is oil paint and canvas. What's the point? No matter what you do, it will be blown sky-high silly after you die. Article: 338117 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: 24 Jul 2006 20:07:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1153796861.822167.245130@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Tim Mullen wrote: > In <1153792899.303520.251050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> pgonshor@aol.com writes: > > >H'ain't much to look at, 'tis it? > > That's what I thought. Decent lines, but not much to > catch the eye. Kinda plain-jane. > > -- > Tim Mullen > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. > ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Maybe it doesn't exist on eBay no more...0 dimentional dudes. Article: 338118 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1153792899.303520.251050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:12:27 -0400 Message-ID: Well, maybe. Not as sexy as many sets at the time but not ugly at all. Very nice veneer, actually. Some sets look better in person, it seems. Mark Oppat "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:ea3vjd$2m5$1@reader2.panix.com... > In <1153792899.303520.251050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> pgonshor@aol.com writes: > > >H'ain't much to look at, 'tis it? > > That's what I thought. Decent lines, but not much to > catch the eye. Kinda plain-jane. > > -- > Tim Mullen > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. > ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- > Article: 338119 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Here's an unusual one for Mr.Tayman. Date: 24 Jul 2006 20:11:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1153797070.014533.233090@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Tom Adkins wrote: > I thought of Gary Tayman when I saw this radio. Not exactly a car radio, but close. > It's made to mount on a tractor. I'd like to have it just for the novelty. Ebay item > #150015068599 I've seen a few tractor sets, that one is interesting all right. Article: 338120 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Speaking of transcription discs and recordable discs! Date: 24 Jul 2006 20:21:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1153797669.625310.121480@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1153692934.048473.49070@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I wish I'd find these things sooner! Our auction has a "Richard Bell record-o something or other (a disc cutting turntable built into a console) going tomorrow night, in beautiful shape. It's stationed with TWO AM dials, one California, one Western US that tune together and two sections on the TT devoted to 10 inch and 12 inch disks. A fun looking monstrosity if there ever were one. Other than that, not really an auction for me. Article: 338121 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: PING John Goller you have email with 5 pix of the cabinet I am asking about Date: 24 Jul 2006 20:30:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1153798247.249871.28400@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Steven wrote: > I think you have a chassis too but you tell me. > > Steven wrote: > > Just get in there and click on Z...the first 12 pictures are that > > cabinet. > > > > Is this one that would take that chassis and where can I find one? > > > > Thank you, Steven Thank you for your reply, and you were very helpful. Article: 338122 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1153792899.303520.251050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In "Mark Oppat" writes: >Well, maybe. Not as sexy as many sets at the time but not ugly at all. Heh. It's one of those sets that gives me the impression that if I had better taste, I'd really like it. :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 338123 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: 24 Jul 2006 20:50:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1153799455.991360.140830@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I was told 10S668 or 10S669 were the main candidates or some 8 tube chassis but they have to have 6 buttons per side and match the holes. As I said if you open 'Z' in the ABPR archives the first 12 pictures that come up is the cabinet in question. An antenna would need to be included I was told, and it can need work as long as it's not too expensive. I know at least someone in Boise maybe more to help me out on repairs, it's something Dad can deliver going to work. My email is working and real but I need to convince Dave not to make some stereo cabinet with a TV screen of it. I want a big Zenith along the way... Article: 338124 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: isotope115@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Is there any antique radio stuff in the Santa Clara/San Jose area? Date: 24 Jul 2006 21:26:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1153801605.403991.284720@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Foothill College is where they used to have the nice radio museum. It got kicked out by the college. It's a shame it had to go, but the college felt that the space could be put to more important use. The Perham collection went to the city of San Jose, and they were preparing to display it somewhere, but I don't know what became of that. Ken Article: 338125 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:02:07 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Re: Only $37.00 John? References: <29036-44C5673F-1043@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> <12caqtrifdt5231@corp.supernews.com> <5zexg.95438$1i1.68967@attbi_s72> Message-ID: <2dKdnXuMo-CDOFjZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com> John Goller, k9uwa wrote: > In article <12caqtrifdt5231@corp.supernews.com>, yonnyKILL@SPAMMERSatt.net > says... > >> >>Ken, the link was NOT to the auction. The link was to Bid history. JOHN G'S >>max bid was $36.99, not mine. >> >> >>John H. > > > Yup John was messing with me over my ElCheapo Bid .. actually it was > just a bid to sort of mark the spot... with intentions of going back > and hitting it at the end of the game... well in this case ... > The Game was Up when Jean noticed me bidding on a couple of items... > > something about Downsizing .. will see! > > Glad Yonny got the Tombstone ... > > Something thats really amazing about this radio... > > now don't shoot me because this "Isn't the Way It is Supposed to BE " > > Since that Faux Finish is already messed up... the wood that is under > that Faux Crap is really very nice.. it goes around the radio rather > than vertical grain... and if you strip the crap off.. and finish the > wood under it... that radio looks really super! ... Gasp... Better yet > if you POLISH the Escutcheon!... > > John k9uwa > Hmm, let me think, John...Photo finish is trashed...nice walnut veneer underneath...photo finish can't easily be reproduced (with my limited skills)...photo finish can be reapplied later when practical...radio looks bad with the original...looks good without it. Hey, doesn't sound bad at all even to my purist self. I'd likely stop short of the polished escutcheon, though (Hmm...unless I had a spare...) At least there's something underneath to work with. I tried this once with a 37-610 Philco. The results were, to say the least, disappointing. Yuck. There are fellows on this group and elsewhere in the hobby who are making strides in reproducing photo finish and they will eventually "perfect" the process. My hat is off to them, as I don't have the skill or patience. Until then, If I can make it look good, that's what matters. As long as the changes can be undone. Sometimes "The way it's supposed to be" just isn't practically obtainable. Article: 338126 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:42:23 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) References: <1153792899.303520.251050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Tim Mullen wrote: > In <1153792899.303520.251050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> pgonshor@aol.com writes: > > >>H'ain't much to look at, 'tis it? > > > That's what I thought. Decent lines, but not much to > catch the eye. Kinda plain-jane. > I agree, not really "pretty" but a real boomer. That's also my thought about the 15 tube RCA that I picked up recently. It's supposed to be a superior performer but I don't see it as a great looking piece of furniture. Kinda slab sided and clunky. Performance over styling I suppose. Hey, maybe I should chrome plate the chassis (ala Scott)and put it on top of a nice looking Zenith cabinet (it's a shutter dial of sorts after all), add a Philco Mystery remote and passive resonators, then give it Silvertone variable IF and GE(?)motorized tuning. Sorta the ultimate mid-late 30's radio hot rod ;) Article: 338127 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave.H" Subject: FA:1939 Trophy Baseball Radio Date: 24 Jul 2006 22:51:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1153806710.455459.322710@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> For anyone who's interested http://cgi.ebay.com/1939-TROPHY-BASEBALL-Tube-RADIO-Exc-Working-Cond-L-K_W0QQitemZ250009555784QQihZ015QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem or eBay Item # 250009555784 Article: 338128 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:47:11 -0600 Message-ID: <16827-44C5B05F-1053@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> References: Funny thing about booming sound . I have a Crosley O2CA 10 tube console That thing has great sound . I had a very nice 15 tube RCA with the tuned magic speaker feature . I like the Crosley better . Article: 338129 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Only $37.00 John? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:53:05 -0600 Message-ID: <16827-44C5B1C1-1054@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> References: <2dKdnXuMo-CDOFjZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com> John you lost me ( not hard ) will the real John please stand up . John Goller .. Sounds like Jean is getting tired of sniffing finish remover :-) Article: 338130 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:59:09 -0600 Message-ID: <16827-44C5B32D-1055@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> References: Tim thats not a bad description . I like the blue mirror radio myself but its on my last to like list because its a round mirror basically . If i ever found one local cheap i would sell it . Article: 338131 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:00:36 -0600 Message-ID: <16827-44C5B384-1056@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> References: <1153796661.621347.246450@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> No matter what you do, it will be blown sky-high silly after you die. The water in my boat picture started moving just a minute ago . Article: 338132 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <1153713606.739580.129200@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Rogers Majestic Ten-60 Schematic, parts list Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:31:44 -0500 "theblurrrrr" wrote in message news:1153713606.739580.129200@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > I know that there are free schematics available, but they are > impossible to read at any level of detail. Does anyone have these in > readable form?? > > Also, there is a 24volt indicator light on these sets--what is the > common designation of the lamp? > > Thanks in advance!! > I used a lamp Stanpro lamp #7839.... 28V, .024A. It worked very well on a Majestic in spite of the voltage difference. Turns out it *dims* when you're tuned in, which seems counter- intuitive, but Neil S. on this group explained to me how it works and why (patient man!) and is very knowledgeable about it. Since it's a miniature with two wires, I had to take a screw base >from a dead pilot light, and solder the leads to it, so it could be screwed into the original radio socket. CAUTION: You may have noticed the lamp is in the B+ circuit. Make sure it's well insulated with a piece of head shrink or similar. So are a couple of the adjustment capacitors on the cans... I think they're on the primaries of the IF cans...T4 and T5. It's easy to short the screwdriver or whatever tool to ground when you get to the alignment work. I had to buy a whole sleeve of ten lamps for 25 bux, so I've got some spares. Contact me off list, and I can send you one or several. I also have the schematic and several pages of layout and alignment info from the RCC manuals, which *may* be more readable that what you have. Lemme know. Cheers, Nelson Article: 338133 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Date: 25 Jul 2006 00:01:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1153810914.596296.5580@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1153796661.621347.246450@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Ken G. wrote: > No matter what you do, it will be blown sky-high silly after you die. > > > The water in my boat picture started moving just a minute ago . Hey, do you have a chassis? Article: 338134 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: 25 Jul 2006 00:05:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1153811130.832773.314770@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: Ken G. wrote: > Funny thing about booming sound . I have a Crosley O2CA 10 tube console > That thing has great sound . I had a very nice 15 tube RCA with the > tuned magic speaker feature . I like the Crosley better . The Crosley has a much bigger box to resonate in...if that's the one I think it is. I'd expect that to be so. Article: 338135 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 03:18:07 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) References: <16827-44C5B05F-1053@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Ken G. wrote: > Funny thing about booming sound . I have a Crosley O2CA 10 tube console > That thing has great sound . I had a very nice 15 tube RCA with the > tuned magic speaker feature . I like the Crosley better . > I had a really decent, working 02CA in my early collecting days about 17 years ago. It was "only" a Crosley though, so I didn't appreciate it. It wasn't a Zenith or Philco after all. IIRC, I parted it and used the cabinet for veneer. Stupid, stupid, stupid..... I'd like to find another, If for no other reason than that I owe that original set a proper resto of one of it's siblings. Article: 338136 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) Date: 25 Jul 2006 00:48:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1153813699.633806.29760@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: Tom Adkins wrote: > Ken G. wrote: > > Funny thing about booming sound . I have a Crosley O2CA 10 tube console > > That thing has great sound . I had a very nice 15 tube RCA with the > > tuned magic speaker feature . I like the Crosley better . > > > I had a really decent, working 02CA in my early collecting days about 17 years ago. > It was "only" a Crosley though, so I didn't appreciate it. It wasn't a Zenith or > Philco after all. IIRC, I parted it and used the cabinet for veneer. Stupid, stupid, > stupid..... > I'd like to find another, If for no other reason than that I owe that original set a > proper resto of one of it's siblings. I think not a day goes by when I see X or Y and realize if I had held on to one of them I could have completed one. Yep. Move on to what will be. Article: 338137 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Here's an unusual one for Mr.Tayman. Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 09:11:17 GMT That is indeed a weird looking contraption! For the most part, tractor radios are pretty much the same as car radios. In the Sams AR books you'll find radios by John Deere right along with the Ford and Chevy variety. However I'd be willing to bet that, even more so than trucks, a lot of tractors had radios fitted into them later on -- probably a radio taken out of an old Ford that was junked, fastened wherever it will fit with a couple of L brackets, with a makeshift speaker housing to finish off the custom installation. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Tom Adkins" wrote in message news:GO6dneX7za-tFVjZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com... > I thought of Gary Tayman when I saw this radio. Not exactly a car radio, > but close. It's made to mount on a tractor. I'd like to have it just for > the novelty. Ebay item #150015068599 Article: 338138 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "dave@hurtle.com" Subject: Re: Searching for a chassis for this cabinet... Date: 25 Jul 2006 05:46:02 -0700 Message-ID: <1153831562.854585.148970@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153666519.566306.75560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Steven wrote: > I was told 10S668 or 10S669 were the main candidates or some 8 tube > chassis but they have to have 6 buttons per side and match the holes. > > As I said if you open 'Z' in the ABPR archives the first 12 pictures > that come up is the cabinet in question. > > An antenna would need to be included I was told, and it can need work > as long as it's not too expensive. I know at least someone in Boise > maybe more to help me out on repairs, it's something Dad can deliver > going to work. > > My email is working and real but I need to convince Dave not to make > some stereo cabinet with a TV screen of it. I want a big Zenith along > the way... Normally I wouldn't reply to you but this time your request is on toipic and coherent so I'll make an exception. I don't have access to the binaries so if you could put the pictures on one of those photo hosting sites it would be helpful. Let's assume a 10S669 chassis will fit. A quick scan of Stein's pre-war console book shows that the 8S661, 10S669, 12H670, 22H698 and maybe the 12H689 all have chassis' that will fit. There are even more because the 10S690 is a 669 with the side mounted phono. The first two numbers are the tube count so don't plan on stumbling upon a 22H698 cheaply. I'm not sure why you're so determined to find a chassis when an entire radio could be obtained for just about the same amount. As noted before these aren't rare or desireble (at least no to someone with a basement full of Zeniths). They turn up at Kutztown with a price tag of $100 on them but I'm sure offers of $50 wouldn't be refused and the seller would be happy to see it go. They are black dial Zeniths so there is the wow factor when non-radio types see them. No tuning eye and no shutter dial pushes them way down on the Zenith collector's desirability scale. The black plastic buttons also turn some collectors off as it is said it makes them look cheap. Restoration is harder due to the crumbling rubber wire not found on the more desirable sets. However, if you're loking for a Zenith black dial and you're on a budget and you only plan on getting one console radio then these fit the bill. They are nice but do pale a bit compared to the '30s Zeniths. Console radios take up alot of space so people will pay up for the nicer ones because they can't have them all. That leaves alot of nice consoles underpriced like these. I like mine. Be prepared to buy a spool of 20 guage 600V wire and spend time pretty much rewiring the thing. Do one wire at a time as not to get mixed up. That's above and beyond the normal restoration procedures. Just cut out your usenet posting for a week and you should have the time to get it done. Look on ebay for 10S669, 10-S-669, 10S-669, 10-S669. Maybe you'll get lucky and find something cheap and local. Article: 338139 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: FA:13 tube Airline (not mine) From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <16827-44C5B05F-1053@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:51:39 GMT In article , newton5@remove.comcast.net says... > > > I had a really decent, working 02CA in my early collecting days about 17 years ago. > I'd like to find another, If for no other reason than that I owe that original set a >proper resto of one of it's siblings. Tom you really missed your shot .. I had one of these at Lansing .. wrong knobs on it... a couple of the pushbuttons missing.. someone had already partially rewired the rubber wire problems.. the radio worked... Wood cabinet was all good.. it had the pull out drawer phono that almost didn't look like it was a phono cabinet.. I sold it in Lansing for $20 bucks.. John k9uwa Article: 338140 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Wrighty" Subject: PCB design software Date: 25 Jul 2006 05:52:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1153831935.554676.35460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Look on ebay for pcbcad17 http://web.ukonline.co.uk/cresswellavenue/pcbcad17.htm Article: 338141 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Only $37.00 John? From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: <2dKdnXuMo-CDOFjZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com> <16827-44C5B1C1-1054@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 13:14:24 GMT In article <16827-44C5B1C1-1054@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net>, goodguyy@webtv.net says... > > >John you lost me ( not hard ) will the real John please stand up . > > >John Goller .. Sounds like Jean is getting tired of sniffing finish >remover :-) > Naw just a little overworked... wants to do some of our own radios instead of always doing the customer ones... take a look at this picture... http://johnjeanantiqueradio.com/6s229b.jpg Am sure that many of you will recognize the coffee cup in that picture... yes thats a JoeMajic picture that I saved in the computer.. Jean and I did up two identical to this one.. both were customer radios that had horrible horrible condition photofinish on them... I showed the picture to the customers... they like it.. so we did them that way... by the way ... think that Joe sold that radio on fleabay for $700 or so... hard to argue a lot with it bringing that amount of money... yes it wasn't a correct radio... but yes it looked nice and the buyers loved it.. John k9uwa Article: 338142 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:43:09 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: Found- New PhotofinishTtrick Message-ID: Every once in a while I fish around in Google Groups to see what other groups are doing that might be useful to this group. Found a really neat idea on rec.models.scale, a group that does lots of decal work. If you put ordinary clear packing tape on a laser print, rub it on good, and then soak it in water for 5 minutes or so, you can rub off the paper and the ink will be trapped on the tape. It will look transparent so it needs a super thin coating of white over the ink. I used watered down cheap acrylic paint and brushed on a really thin coat. Used a thin coat of Minwax's Polycrylic to glue it on an acrylic painted board and shot spray can Deft on it. It didn't look quite right, but I thought, I've had my fingers all over this tape and rubbing hard doing it. I did another one and this time I washed off the tape with a little Dawn dish liquid before lacquering. It looked good and after sitting in direct sunlight for over an hour it still looked good. It is thinner than ordinary printer paper and much, much thinner than color laser prints. Googled and found that my tape is 2 mil thick. Found that EZ Start brand Standard Mailing Tape is 1.6 mil thick so I will look for it My big interest in this is duplicating those Zebrawood strips some radios have and I will pursue it as time permits. It is so simple for you to try this. Put a strip of tape over any magazine photo, soak it in water and then rub off the paper. Stewart Article: 338143 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: more Worbud? References: <9Tpxg.4508$bP5.3462@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 14:46:53 GMT I guess nobody's seen one before, Personally, I kind of like the way it looks. Jeff radionutz wrote: > Hey people! > Something that I don't understand (so what else is new?) > I have posted questions about my Worbud all over the place. On Yahoo antique > radios group, On the forum. On the Alt. binaries newsgroup and here on the > ant.radio-phono group and I have not gotten any kind of a response not even > hey I never heard of this thing. Is there some kind ov Voo Doo contcted with > this thing and no one wants to touch it or what? LOL :-) > > DON > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 338144 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: isotope115@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Is there any antique radio stuff in the Santa Clara/San Jose area? Date: 25 Jul 2006 08:47:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1153842447.265413.48420@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: I may have been too harsh in my choice of words. I'm sure Foothill College would prefer to say that the museum facility needed to be put to more "appropriate" use. It is a bit problematic to run a museum, and deal with hosting the general public, when their primary focus is classroom education, and budgets are tight. Anyway, I did a web search on the Perham Collection (the collection that was being displayed at the Foothill College Electronics Museum), and it looks like they are still inventorying, evaluating, fund raising, and whatever else except actually displaying the collection to the public. I was volunteering on that effort about 4 years ago, so it doesn't seem like things have progressed very much. Maybe somebody knows more, and can provide an update. Ken Article: 338145 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <1153764589.515365.215900@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <29038-44C56040-56@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: sparton bluebird Message-ID: Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:02:05 -0400 "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:ea3pml$iqe$1@reader2.panix.com... > In <29038-44C56040-56@storefull-3231.bay.webtv.net> goodguyy@webtv.net > (Ken G.) writes: > >>YEP in other words a ``novelty radio`` just like a radio that looks like >>a lamp or chest . > > I've heard it was supposed to be an abstract representation of a > biplane (triplane?) in the sky. The blue mirror is the sky, the > feet sorta correspond to the landing gear, and, uh... Well, I did > say "abstract". Interesting. First time I hear about this and indeed it sure looks like the Red Baron in the sky, the dial chromed ring being the propeller and the feet the wheels for the landing gear. Interesting design considering Von Richtofen was buried in 1918 and this radio designed in the 30ies. I wonder what the Nocturne represents... Syl Article: 338146 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Terry S" Subject: Re: PCB design software Date: 25 Jul 2006 09:11:48 -0700 Message-ID: <1153843908.558278.38230@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1153831935.554676.35460@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Spammer... And crap software. Wrighty wrote: > Look on ebay for pcbcad17 > > http://web.ukonline.co.uk/cresswellavenue/pcbcad17.htm