Article: 341226 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1157052456.797906.88000@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Wisconsin Console Rescue, Anyone? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:29:44 GMT "Mike Koste" wrote in message news:1157052456.797906.88000@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > $75 BIN for a nice Stewart Warner ten tuber. Whatchawaitinfor? > http://cgi.ebay.com/vintage-Stewart-Warner-10-TUBE-floor-console-radio-NR_W0QQitemZ150028233985QQihZ005QQcategoryZ38034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > I'd rather spend my $75 in Hurley rather than Hayward. jim menning (Wisconsin humor - you had to be there) Article: 341227 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1156885253.582989.181800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1156889071.984413.224350@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1156919925.389622.257500@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156943588.451209.162540@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156993046.820837.140760@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157029824.257494.181090@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157038393.055990.139460@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157041431.861570.309420@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <38EJg.942$d72.102@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <44F73B19.A0D85573@earthlink.net> <1157053759.258200.65420@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Dinius again Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:31:40 GMT "Steven" wrote in message news:1157053759.258200.65420@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> > You don't even know my parents names much less the phone number. > > Put up or stop wasting peoples' time. > You mean El**n Dinius @ (208) 465 - XX43 was wrong? I'll have to call and see. jim menning Article: 341228 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: CORRECTION- What Does the12th Tube Do? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:35:09 -0400 Message-ID: <12ff739kcrho84c@corp.supernews.com> Look at this dual schematic- http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/422/M0013422.htm Notice the only difference between a 41-295 and a 41-300 is one added loctal, a dual diode (note box on schematic lower right). BUT what does it DO, if anything? John H. Article: 341229 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniel Russell" Subject: Re: Speaker with torn cone Date: 31 Aug 2006 19:35:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1157078147.795575.262490@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1156906034.411946.312510@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Great, thanks for the info guys. Dan Buck Frobisher wrote: > "Phil Nelson" wrote in message > news:goudnaEJvv_6y2rZnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@giganews.com... > >> Use Aleenes fabric glue for the rip, available at hobby stores. > > > > If the rip is big and you want to patch it, tea bag paper works well. > > > > Phil Nelson > > Or a used dryer sheet. > > Gives it that just washed scent, too! > > cheers, > Frank Article: 341230 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: What Does the 12th Tube DO? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:35:46 -0400 Message-ID: <12ff74eon7h965e@corp.supernews.com> References: <12ff3rub6gne075@corp.supernews.com> Thanks, right, see corrected post. John H. Article: 341231 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <1157031726.108183.46300@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <21267-44F701D4-112@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> <1157040284.558583.78380@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1157066545.362517.276870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157069034.041083.20150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 02:36:40 GMT "Steven" wrote in message news:1157069034.041083.20150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > Anti-Dinius wrote: >> Steven wrote: >> > >> > Ah, but the dead cat had to be run over by the diesel FIRST! It's kind >> > of futile unless you have a massacree. >> >> This isn't funny even if you don't like cats. It's just not funny. > > Have three I feed every day. > > The original reference wasn't funny either, sarcasm befit it. > > I've had three run over myself. He even drove his cats to commit suicide. jim menning Article: 341232 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Syl" References: <8bmdnUwgH7a97GrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net> Subject: Re: HELP! NEED INFO......Grebe Snycrophase Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:36:37 -0400 "Bruce Mercer" wrote in message news:8bmdnUwgH7a97GrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net... >I have wanted a Grebe Syncrophase for some time now. Would those in the >know check this out and give me some opinions as to what it should bring. >It's condition. It's hard to tell but the case looks awfully light in color >or is this an original finish. I did see a footprint of a capacitor and a >modern one sort of hanging in its' place. That's about all I could tell >from it. I don't have a clue as to its' value or what it should bring. (yes >I've read the recent threads) :-) I would appreciate the wisdom and >knowlege of the group on this one. About 23 hours to go. BTW...I recently >proclaimed I wasn't buying another single thing for a while other than >maybe a record or two. So here I go again. (but it IS small) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170022954549&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007 > > Thanks, > Bruce This one has a missing interstage transformer (replaced with a bumblebee cap and a resistor) has the wrong knobs (apparently unobtainium) and has been obviously stripped. Not counting the seller has a less than stellar feedback (look at his feedback, both previous buyers are NARU)! There was a discussion about this radio coupla months ago, you may have luck using Google and search for the comments at the time. "I" wouldn't touch it with a hundred foot pole but it's your money. I remember the first auction had a lot of BS and lies in the description... Syl Article: 341233 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bruce Mercer" References: <8bmdnUwgH7a97GrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net> Subject: Re: HELP! NEED INFO......Grebe Snycrophase Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:48:03 -0500 Message-ID: Thanks.....that's what I needed to know. Bruce "Syl" wrote in message news:S0NJg.7844$3n5.225984@wagner.videotron.net... > > "Bruce Mercer" wrote in message > news:8bmdnUwgH7a97GrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net... >>I have wanted a Grebe Syncrophase for some time now. Would those in the >>know check this out and give me some opinions as to what it should bring. >>It's condition. It's hard to tell but the case looks awfully light in >>color or is this an original finish. I did see a footprint of a capacitor >>and a modern one sort of hanging in its' place. That's about all I could >>tell from it. I don't have a clue as to its' value or what it should >>bring. (yes I've read the recent threads) :-) I would appreciate the >>wisdom and knowlege of the group on this one. About 23 hours to go. >>BTW...I recently proclaimed I wasn't buying another single thing for a >>while other than maybe a record or two. So here I go again. (but it IS >>small) >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170022954549&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007 >> >> Thanks, >> Bruce > > > This one has a missing interstage transformer (replaced with a bumblebee > cap and a resistor) > has the wrong knobs (apparently unobtainium) and has been obviously > stripped. Not counting > the seller has a less than stellar feedback (look at his feedback, both > previous buyers are NARU)! > > There was a discussion about this radio coupla months ago, you may have > luck using Google > and search for the comments at the time. "I" wouldn't touch it with a > hundred foot pole but > it's your money. I remember the first auction had a lot of BS and lies in > the description... > > Syl > Article: 341234 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: A real topic for somebody who will answer: Info on B+K 970 Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:42:34 -0500 Message-ID: <2586-44F79E1A-257@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: Metinks those Irish (I am Scotch Irish by Ancestry,a double whammy on me and I have to go to the Celtic Festival www.celticfestms.org in September just because I am Celtic) Steorn folks would be ashamed some of y'all www.yall.com are talking the way y'all are on a Steorn thread.Grow Up! cuhulin,the Celtic Article: 341235 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Registered User Subject: Re: OKAY, for the last time... Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:33:30 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1156978719.068467.186340@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <44F78219.BA3D94F6@earthlink.net> <12ff28ntbgpj263@news.supernews.com> <1157074816.230162.287400@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> It is your right to show yourself as an ass. I along with many others really wish this would be the last time. On 31 Aug 2006 18:40:16 -0700, "Steven" wrote: >FUCKING PAY ATTENTION AND READ WHAT I'M RESPONDING TO OR BE QUIET > >CANADIANS TOO, JOHANSEN. > >I don't know if you're old and can't do it or rabid and stupid but >maybe you need more pills. > >Don't make Britney Spears look like Mozart, and I grow tired of saying >retarded so go see the Wizard and GET A BRAIN. > >I'll leave when I die, which you will still have no control over. >You're not fazing me much but you go on these little crusades and gum >up everybody else's fun and then it's archived for all to see 100 years >from now. > >Going on a witchhunt to see if you can boot my ISP service will >eventually backfire on you. You will die before you see any perceived >benefits. Watching you subvert your own group would be funny were I not >here too. Article: 341236 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "PTurney" Subject: Re: What Does the 12th Tube DO? Date: 31 Aug 2006 19:51:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1157079107.320679.172060@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: <12ff3rub6gne075@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > Thanks, right, see corrected post. > > John H Hi John, I've noticed this in the past and have discussed it on my web-site:- http://www.tuberadioland.com/philco41-255T_main.html (see second paragraph). I conclusion, I think it does very little.... Paul Article: 341237 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Subject changed to more of Skippy's lies. References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1156885253.582989.181800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1156889071.984413.224350@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1156919925.389622.257500@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156943588.451209.162540@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156993046.820837.140760@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157029824.257494.181090@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157038393.055990.139460@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157066049.074434.236050@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157067239.380599.121560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:32:36 GMT Steven wrote: > You are a liar. The garbage started over four years ago with Jeff, and > it's been a losing game of taking pot shots for you ever since. You can > sit here believing your garbage forever and it doesn't solve anything. You lying piece of shit. This all started with YOU acting like a complete asshole on this news group. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341238 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: A real topic for somebody who will answer: Info on B+K 970 Radio References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1156885253.582989.181800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1156889071.984413.224350@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1156919925.389622.257500@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156943588.451209.162540@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156993046.820837.140760@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157029824.257494.181090@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157038393.055990.139460@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157041431.861570.309420@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:48:46 GMT Steven wrote: > Jeff thinks my butt is going to explode and > spew rotten sausage bits across the universe. I should have know you were too stupid to catch the original reference. "Steve Dinius is a carbuncle on the ass of humanity." Meaning quite simply, a singular pain in the ass that should be lanced, drained and treated with anti-biotics to keep it from returning. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341239 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale References: <1157033709_5975@sp6iad.superfeed.net> <1157035326.253868.117300@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157039644.182523.4680@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1157040123.551177.315660@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157066897.457031.196900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157071833.581876.217240@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1157072640.169625.131930@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:50:07 GMT Anti-Dinius wrote: [ with reference to Skippy... ] > There's gotta be a group out there that fits your needs. I posted a couple of suggestions the other night. alt.suicide and alt.suicide.methods Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341240 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Have you read about "DINIUS" and is it fatal? References: <21764-44F51020-858@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <1156953166.084152.137670@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1157031726.108183.46300@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157036466.665313.257070@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <44F734E6.3E03C25C@earthlink.net> <1157054228.885751.126420@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:53:43 GMT Steven wrote: > Just why am I not hearing from Jeff Angus yet? Because unlike you, you worthless parasite, I work for a living. I spend probably the same amount of time, per day, taking care of customers and running my shop as you do being a complete fool on this newsgroup. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341241 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Subject changed to more of Skippy's lies. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: <12ffc004dnf5n4f@news.supernews.com> References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1156885253.582989.181800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1156889071.984413.224350@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1156919925.389622.257500@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156943588.451209.162540@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156993046.820837.140760@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157029824.257494.181090@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157038393.055990.139460@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157066049.074434.236050@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157067239.380599.121560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> too bad we never learn... (plonk) Article: 341242 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "KB9NLK" Subject: Re: Help on first Zenith 9-S-262 Restore - Dial Pointer? Springs? 6T5 Questions Date: 31 Aug 2006 21:04:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1157083471.383301.40160@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1156895028.393210.24220@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Sounds good.... I just need the 26-151 for now... Thanks for the info! Anyone know what happened to www.gn4radios.com? I need to order a whole set of knobes for this radio. Any other sources? I hope I can find them somewhere..... Thanks, Ed KB9NLK Article: 341243 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Subject changed to more of Skippy's lies. References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1156885253.582989.181800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1156889071.984413.224350@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1156919925.389622.257500@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156943588.451209.162540@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156993046.820837.140760@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157029824.257494.181090@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157038393.055990.139460@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157066049.074434.236050@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157067239.380599.121560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <12ffc004dnf5n4f@news.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 04:12:30 GMT Go ahead and plonk Buck... remember who's at fault here. Jeff Buck Frobisher wrote: > too bad we never learn... > (plonk) > > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341244 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1157057404.119324.305490@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Philco 48-150 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 00:35:04 -0400 Message-ID: Daniel, for the 90v you just stack standard 9v batteries. take a 9v batt clip and cut it in half to get the pos and neg connections on that. Wrap the batteries with electrical tape to hold together. On the filiment part, you need 1.5v, with more balls. So, make up a connection to any good sized 1.5v lantern battery, or whatever you can fit in the space allotted. 4 D cells in parallel would work too, but you'd have a harder time making that pack, since all the standard D cell holders run them in series. Mark Oppat "Daniel Russell" wrote in message news:1157057404.119324.305490@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > Hi group back again, > Working on a bettery operated Philco 48-150. The battery is missing but > radio looks to be intact. I have the riders for this radio and it looks > like it needs a 90V battery. The philco part number is p-60D-11L. I > know i will never find one, but if anyone knows what to maybee use as a > power supply to permanatly put in this it would be a big help. > Thanks > Dan > > Article: 341245 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <44f73c9d$0$4521$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Subject: Re: Unusual output stages Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 00:44:02 -0400 Message-ID: One that drove me nuts once was a moral reciever made by Minerva I think, and sold also under the Majestic brand around 1942....("mighty Monarch of the Air" not Grigsby Grunow). Anyways, it was designed to be battery powered or AC. So it had both a 3Q5 and a 25L6 IIRC. The power switch actuated one or the other... AND to make matters worse, the cathode of the 25L6 was biased by the filiment of the 3Q5 and I think as it became a driver tube in that mode. It was ingenius and goofy all the same, and I could never get it to work unless I added a cathode bias resistor, which I did and forgot about the whole thing. Mark Oppat wrote in message news:44f73c9d$0$4521$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl... > In a Dutch tube forum, there is a discussion about unusual output stages. > Most newer European tube radio's use EL84 (6BQ5), EL86 (6CW5), EL95 > (6DL5), ECL82 (6BM8), or ECL86 (6GW8) as output stages, or the 100mA > series string versions of above tubes, for example the UL84 (45B5). Some > more rare radio's use dual PL81 (21A6) for a transformerless balanced > output stage, also the ELL80 or the ECLL800 are used in a few radio's. In > the somewhat older european 4-tube concept, the EBL21 was often used. > Tubes like EL503 were developed when many radio's were already > transistorised, so I have never heard of a radio using that, and seldomly > its - in amplifiers still very popular - predecessor EL34 (6CA7). > > I know by reading this group of several common American output tubes > (35C5, 50C5, 6V6, 6L6, etc.) > > Have any of you ever encountered some unusual output configuration in a > radio, either European or American? > > -- > Met vriendelijke groet, > > Maarten Bakker. > Article: 341246 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1156895028.393210.24220@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1157021368.944915.155970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157083471.383301.40160@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Help on first Zenith 9-S-262 Restore - Dial Pointer? Springs? 6T5 Questions Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 00:49:50 -0400 Message-ID: <7a-dnXimqbhgJ2rZnZ2dnUVZ_qudnZ2d@comcast.com> (sheesh) Ed, I have the full repro set of knobs for this radio too... Note to all, just send your full want lists here. I have most of what you want in stock even though its not yet on my site. Plus, I KNOW antique radio restoration, and will sell you the correct parts. Mark Oppat "KB9NLK" wrote in message news:1157083471.383301.40160@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Sounds good.... I just need the 26-151 for now... Thanks for the info! > > Anyone know what happened to www.gn4radios.com? I need to order a > whole set of knobes for this radio. Any other sources? I hope I can > find them somewhere..... > > Thanks, > > Ed > > KB9NLK > > Article: 341247 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: meanmrmustard Subject: Re: You are a sick one, DINIUS References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1156885253.582989.181800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1156889071.984413.224350@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1156919925.389622.257500@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156943588.451209.162540@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156993046.820837.140760@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157029824.257494.181090@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157038393.055990.139460@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157041431.861570.309420@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <38EJg.942$d72.102@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1157042463.671167.306540@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 04:50:52 GMT jim menning wrote: > "Steven" wrote in message > news:1157042463.671167.306540@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> Completely impotent too. Not even capable of stalling me. >> >> Even if you weren't Anti-Dinius, I'l bet they feel very stupid about >> now. You should be quite upset with them. I feel remotely sorry for >> you. >> >> Okay, that was quick. Next. >> > > Again you are dragging my name into another thread because someone else is picking on > you. > > Go see your doctor already! > > jim menning > > Unfortunately, Dr. Mengele is dead. meanmrmustard Article: 341248 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "L." References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1156885253.582989.181800@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1156889071.984413.224350@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1156919925.389622.257500@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156943588.451209.162540@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1156993046.820837.140760@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157029824.257494.181090@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157038393.055990.139460@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157041431.861570.309420@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <38EJg.942$d72.102@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com> <1157042463.671167.306540@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: You are a sick one, DINIUS Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 00:56:49 -0400 Message-ID: <44f7bdc6$0$10209$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "meanmrmustard" wrote in message news:M_OJg.9263$4O4.6694@trnddc02... > jim menning wrote: >> "Steven" wrote in message >> news:1157042463.671167.306540@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >>> Completely impotent too. Not even capable of stalling me. >>> >>> Even if you weren't Anti-Dinius, I'l bet they feel very stupid about >>> now. You should be quite upset with them. I feel remotely sorry for >>> you. >>> >>> Okay, that was quick. Next. >>> >> >> Again you are dragging my name into another thread because someone else >> is picking on you. >> >> Go see your doctor already! >> >> jim menning > > Unfortunately, Dr. Mengele is dead. > > meanmrmustard Let's take up donations and send him to the "terrorists" in Iraq. He has lost his head already, so let them remove it "physically" so there won't be any more mistake about it. Then we'll be rid of him - their thirst for blood will be quenched once more. I just hope they use Haz Mat procedures to clean up when done so no one else is infected. Maybe he can give them head before they take his. L. Article: 341249 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: What Does the 12th Tube DO? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:30:51 +0900 Message-ID: References: <12ff3rub6gne075@corp.supernews.com> -- Say no to institutionalized interference. Just say NO to HD/IBOC! "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12ff3rub6gne075@corp.supernews.com... > Look at this- > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/422/M0013422.htm > > Notice the only difference between a 41-250 and a 41-300 is one added > loctal, a dual diode (note box on schematic lower right). BUT what does it > DO, if anything? > IT MAKES MY BRAIN HURT!!! The closest I can tell is they're using one tube for AGC and the other as the detector.. but it's the most incomprehensible use for and wiring of a tube I believe I've ever seen.. :-/ Article: 341250 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Have you read about "DINIUS" and is it fatal? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 00:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: <17727-44F7C445-457@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157054228.885751.126420@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I have two accounts,but I keep my computer account private. cuhulin Article: 341251 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: 31 Aug 2006 22:50:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1157089823.343001.165550@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1157031726.108183.46300@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> jim menning wrote: > "Steven" wrote in message > news:1157069034.041083.20150@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > > > Anti-Dinius wrote: > >> Steven wrote: > >> > > >> > Ah, but the dead cat had to be run over by the diesel FIRST! It's kind > >> > of futile unless you have a massacree. > >> > >> This isn't funny even if you don't like cats. It's just not funny. > > > > Have three I feed every day. > > > > The original reference wasn't funny either, sarcasm befit it. > > > > I've had three run over myself. > > He even drove his cats to commit suicide. > > jim menning Manor Way gets used as a chicane to the freeway exits 1/2 mile away quite often and there are about 100 apartments on the block including Riverside and Mills Manors. People race through here. It's not the best place for cats to roam. I can't make a comment that you don't already demonstrate by yourself, therefore I'm not going to bother. Article: 341252 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Subject changed to Jeff's convenient amnesia Date: 31 Aug 2006 23:09:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1157090982.257679.280340@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > Steven wrote: > > > You are a liar. The garbage started over four years ago with Jeff, and > > it's been a losing game of taking pot shots for you ever since. You can > > sit here believing your garbage forever and it doesn't solve anything. > > You lying piece of shit. This all started with YOU acting like a > complete asshole on this news group. > > Jeff This started with my being in an Australian radio group by invitation then the Afghan War broke out, leaving some very vicious people on the attack, then it spilled over here, I tried to protect the group from such crap...that got stressful quickly and somewhere I managed to mention I was on lithium. That's when you got vicious with the crazy Skippy stuff and there it went from then on. You are supposed to be a preacher or something ( you married off your daughter personally), yet you are absolutely filthy, a base, repugnant two faced opportunist. I take all your insults with a grain of salt. You are a far better repairman than a person. How much longer do you wish to clog the posts with this useless tirade? You are what, almost 55, 56? Angus--or Anger--still your decision 5 years later? You can work yourself into a cardiac arrest, yet I'm not exactly drooling like you fantasize I am. While I was gone, I cleaned the living room and replaced the blown drivers on a 3 way I traded for. All I've yet to do is wire the 3 amp, 6-8 channel system and finish placing stuff. The bedroom is done and the kitchen almost. I needed about 15 minutes to deal with a few pathetic whiners and I'm done. Article: 341253 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: You are a sick one, DINIUS Date: 31 Aug 2006 23:12:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1157091136.645902.143700@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> meanmrmustard IP address 71.160.254.152 (a Verizon customer) wrote: > jim menning wrote: > > "Steven" wrote in message > > news:1157042463.671167.306540@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > >> Completely impotent too. Not even capable of stalling me. > >> > >> Even if you weren't Anti-Dinius, I'l bet they feel very stupid about > >> now. You should be quite upset with them. I feel remotely sorry for > >> you. > >> > >> Okay, that was quick. Next. > >> > > > > Again you are dragging my name into another thread because someone else is picking on > > you. > > > > Go see your doctor already! > > > > jim menning > > > > > > Unfortunately, Dr. Mengele is dead. > > meanmrmustard Article: 341254 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Dinius again Date: 31 Aug 2006 23:15:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1157091334.390052.202630@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> jim menning wrote: > "Steven" wrote in message > news:1157053759.258200.65420@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> > > You don't even know my parents names much less the phone number. > > > > Put up or stop wasting peoples' time. > > > > You mean El**n Dinius @ (208) 465 - XX43 was wrong? I'll have to call and see. > > jim menning Yes, and I'll have to have a lawyer talk to TimeWarner Internet about it. Is it worth it to you? How far to hell are you going? Article: 341255 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: You are a sick one, DINIUS Date: 31 Aug 2006 23:25:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1157091928.863605.182400@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> L. wrote: > "meanmrmustard" wrote in message > news:M_OJg.9263$4O4.6694@trnddc02... > > jim menning wrote: > >> "Steven" wrote in message > >> news:1157042463.671167.306540@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > >>> Completely impotent too. Not even capable of stalling me. > >>> > >>> Even if you weren't Anti-Dinius, I'l bet they feel very stupid about > >>> now. You should be quite upset with them. I feel remotely sorry for > >>> you. > >>> > >>> Okay, that was quick. Next. > >>> > >> > >> Again you are dragging my name into another thread because someone else > >> is picking on you. > >> > >> Go see your doctor already! Abuse letter sent. > >> > >> jim menning > > > > Unfortunately, Dr. Mengele is dead. > > > > meanmrmustard > > Let's take up donations and send him to the "terrorists" in Iraq. He has > lost his head already, so let them remove it "physically" so there won't be > any more mistake about it. Then we'll be rid of him - their thirst for blood > will be quenched once more. I just hope they use Haz Mat procedures to clean > up when done so no one else is infected. > > Maybe he can give them head before they take his. > > L. Article: 341256 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Subject changed to more of Skippy's lies. Date: 31 Aug 2006 23:26:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1157092013.377074.10320@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > Go ahead and plonk Buck... remember who's at fault here. > > Jeff > > Buck Frobisher wrote: > > > too bad we never learn... > > (plonk) I'm replying to one of his posts right now. Article: 341257 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Dinius again Date: 31 Aug 2006 23:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1157092748.200133.98670@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Reported. jim menning wrote: Article: 341258 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Oh, BTW I won the signal generator Date: 31 Aug 2006 23:43:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1157092992.251113.15840@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Despite anybody. Article: 341259 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: OKAY, for the last time... Date: 31 Aug 2006 23:45:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1157093103.488209.235730@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: Registered User wrote: > It is your right to show yourself as an ass. I along with many others > really wish this would be the last time. You guys first. I can play Palestinian all day. Article: 341260 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: 31 Aug 2006 23:50:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1157093446.104048.263680@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1157033709_5975@sp6iad.superfeed.net> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > Anti-Dinius wrote: > > [ with reference to Skippy... ] > > > There's gotta be a group out there that fits your needs. > > I posted a couple of suggestions the other night. > > alt.suicide and alt.suicide.methods > > Jeff Be careful what you wish for. This message has been automatically generated in response to the creation of a trouble ticket regarding: "I am about to seek a lawyer concerning several person and your customer is one...", a summary of which appears below. There is no need to reply to this message right now. Your ticket has been assigned an ID of Somebody else is getting theirs. You have been mentioned in another person's. Article: 341261 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Zenith Console Stereo SF2580 Date: 1 Sep 2006 02:26:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1157102792.759192.276860@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <1157030569.718177.199610@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> gerryu21220@gmail.com wrote: > Bill Sheppard wrote: > > gerry: Sounds like the FM oscillator is quitting. Try the osc.-mixer > > tube in the FM front end. > > oc > > Um - okay. Which tube might that be? I hope it isn't a 6BC7, as that > is the one I don't have a replacement for. I'll bet it is, as that was > the only one I didn't swap out... Found that there was a substitute for that 6BC7: a 6GQ7. Naturally, I didn't have that one, either. I found a 6BC7 on eBay for $1.00 + $1.25 shipping. So I hope that clears up the problem. Article: 341262 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: 45 playing time? (was: Re: RCA automobile 45 changer?) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 09:40:42 GMT Record speeds have been discussed here before. The original speed was around 80 rpm, give or take. It varied according to the record company. When electrical phonographs came into being they decided to set a standard for the motor speed, which was 78 rpm -- actually 78.26. The calculation comes from the poles of the motor, wheel ratios, and the 60 Hz line frequency. The 33 1/3 rpm speed was calculated in a similar manner, originally used for talkies for movies. RCA used this speed for a few records around 1930, then the speed was used for radio transcriptions, then later used by Columbia for the new LP format. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "John Byrns" wrote in message news:jbyrns-3108062038120001@216-80-74-177.s177.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com... > In article , glog@sympatico.ca > wrote: > >> Josh..... I see them occaisionly here in the Toronto area at flea >> markets, antique markets and the like. They did make on, and I put one >> in my 53 Roadmaster convertable. >> It wasn't a changer, but a single play unit and I believe it was called >> the RCA Ultra-Fi 45. >> >> Slide the 45 in, press the bar to lock and put the stylus to the >> record and music to go. They were really hard on the record though. >> Pressure had to be high to deal with the bumps of the road. >> >> There were two versions of the RCA, a single player aftermarket (I >> bought mine at Canadian Tire in 1958) and a large multi disc changer >> unit made specifically for Chrysler as a option. See: >> > http://ookworld.com/hiwayhifi.html >> >> also: >> > http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1960/RecordPlayer/index.htm > > The Chrysler brochure at the second link says that the capacity of the 45 > changer is 14 records, which will play for up to 2 hours automatically. > To achieve a total playing time of two hours from 14 sides, the average > playing time would have to be in excess of 8.5 minutes per side. The 45 > EPs in my collection typically run between 6 and 7 minutes per side, which > would give a playing time of only about 1.6 Hours for 14 sides. > > Does anyone know what the official maximum playing time per side is for a > 45 EP? I am sure they can be easily stretched to the 8 minutes and 34 > seconds per side required to get 2 hours of playing time from 14 sides, > but what was the maximum spec.? Somewhere around here I have a paper > which gives all the gory details that went into the design of the 45 RPM > record, but finding it would be a tall order, especially since I don't > remember what magazine or journal it appeared in. The main thing I > remember from the paper was that it contained a proof that 45 RPM was the > optimal rotational speed for the record. I don't remember what the givens > were, size was probably one, and playing time might have been another. > There were pages and pages of scientific calculations involved in > calculating the optimum rotational speed, as well as the other design > parameters. I will have to root around and see if I can locate the paper. > > This all makes me curious how the other two popular speeds, 78 RPM and 33 > and a third RPM were arrived at? Does anyone know? Were they essentially > just picked out of the air, or were there good reasons for their choice? > > > Regards, > > John Byrns > > > Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 341263 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carter-k8vt Subject: Re: What Does the 12th Tube DO? References: <12ff3rub6gne075@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 10:57:43 GMT Brenda Ann wrote: > IT MAKES MY BRAIN HURT!!! > > The closest I can tell is they're using one tube for AGC and the other as > the detector.. but it's the most incomprehensible use for and wiring of a > tube I believe I've ever seen.. :-/ Ah, but possibly we are overlooking the obvious. Maybe it's there... ...to increase the tube count. Remember when the early transistor radios came out and they bragged about the number of transistors it had---even though several of the "transistors" were actually used as nothing but diodes. Article: 341264 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Pilot H-474 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 08:42:44 -0400 Anyone ever work on one of these? It's a typical 3 band five tube plus eye with a monster mechanical pushbutton assembly. No info on the pushbutton asm. Ken Article: 341265 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Bill Jeffrey Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about Hot Fuel? References: <21764-44F51020-858@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> <1156953166.084152.137670@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1157031726.108183.46300@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157035992.629811.208410@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:07:37 GMT toxcrusadr wrote: > > This reminded me - there has just been a story in the news about the > varying temperature of dispensed gasoline - and thus the density and > therefore, energy content per gallon. > > Gasoline expands and contracts with temperature just like water - only > more dramatically than water. Industry and the government agreed 100 > years ago that a gallon of gasoline was defined as a gallon at 60 > degrees - the average temperature of gas in underground tanks. Trouble > is, times have changed. The way (and the speed at which) gas is > stored, transported and sold means that you are often buying gas at a > higher temperature - which means you're getting less for the price of a > gallon. > > Full story: > http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/business/15370193.htm > > Part 2: Technology solution > http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/15376686.htm > > Tox Well, ahum ... Like so many news stories, this one is heavily biased toward glitz and false outrage. The story starts out telling how a trucker is p.o.'ed becase a gallon (231 cubic inches at 60 degrees F) of diesel fuel expands to "more than 235 cubic inches at 90 degrees". This in itself is an exaggeration - it really expands to more than 234 cubic inches. That's a 25% inaccuracy in the story's "facts" right at the top. But, worse, you have to read pretty far down in the story before you discover that although some fuel is indeed sold at 90 degrees, some is also sold at 30 degrees - and the nationwide average, determined by actual tests, is 65 degrees. Since a standard gallon is measured at 60 degrees, dispensing at 65 degrees doesn't change much. In fact, if you crank out the numbers, it amounts to about 3/4 of a cent for diesel fuel priced at $3 a gallon. Sure, it an inaccuracy, and the story implies strongly that it is a CONSPIRACY between Big Oil and Lawmakers. However, I strongly suspect that if the fuel dealers spent the billions to install temperature compensating pumps at all stations, then the real price of fuel would go down by 3/4 of a cent to reflect the different volume - and then would likely go up several cents to pay for the new pumps. Conspiracy theories are annoying at best. Especially in an old radio newsgroup. It seems to me we have more important things to worry about. Bill Article: 341266 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DumpsterDiver" Subject: Lighten Up! Date: 1 Sep 2006 06:58:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1157119104.324888.254620@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: A (hopefully) useful, constructive suggestion: Some of the photos would benefit greatly from a bit of tweaking of the brightness / contrast. Unfortunately, most digital cameras seem to produce pix that show way too dark when viewed on computer screens / monitors. The detail is typically all there, but needs to be made visible by lightening up using your photo editing software. Same comment goes for most other sites I've visited, and most Ebay listings. DD Gary Tayman wrote: > While many of you are busy cleaning your benches and taking photos, I've > decided to start another thread. This one is not in the binaries, but on my > website. As promised long ago, I've set up a page devoted to my personal > radio collection. > > Compared to the thousands of valuable sets owned by some others on this > list, it's certainly not much. However I indeed enjoy it, and would like to > share it with others. > > You can go directly to the page by clicking here: > > http://mysite.verizon.net/caradio/collection.htm > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 341267 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12ff3rub6gne075@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: What Does the 12th Tube DO? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 10:11:59 -0400 Message-ID: Carter wrote... >>>...to increase the tube count. > > Remember when the early transistor radios came out and they bragged > about the number of transistors it had---even though several of the > "transistors" were actually used as nothing but diodes. yeah, maybe but the cost of the tube and socket and stuff is still there, so I dont think manf'rs did that as much as collectors claim. Using triodes as diodes goes way back, as well. In fact, one of the first AA5's was the DeWald Dinette model 54. (1934). It used two #37 triodes as full wave rectifiers! Only had three tubes in the signal chain.. a two 39's and a 38 IIRC.(I have that set) Mark Oppat Article: 341268 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: cabinet finish stripping question Date: 1 Sep 2006 07:09:46 -0700 Message-ID: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> I have been googling for days and don't think I have found my answer. I have a late 30's GE H70 radio cabinet that I have started stripping the finish off. Using a chemical stripper I have removed some of the finish. There was a couple of black stains in the top finish that after the stripping were still there. I brought the cabinet into work and asked a co-worked that does furniture refinishing what I could do to remove it. He felt the surface and said that there is still a waxy finish on there. He suggected amonia (Javex) to remove the stain and the waxy surface. I did use this with a #0000 steel wool and the stain did get removed and so did the waxy finish. I now have a very open grained top BUT there are a couple of areas that will not give up the waxy finish. My question - is this actually a wax type of finish that would have been applied before the color and final finish or was this some other treatment applied? What would be a more effective remover if this isn't a wax and I were not to use Javex? Thanks Brian Article: 341269 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Subject changed to Jeff's convenient amnesia Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:24:39 -0500 Message-ID: <21267-44F842A7-267@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157090982.257679.280340@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I am not crazy about cats,but I leave them alone and they leave me alone.It is a mutual society between cats and I.I own a little Blue Heeler Australian Cattle Dog.(well really,she owns me) When she hooks up the dog leash on me and takes me out in the yard for a few minutes,when she sees a cat,she wants to run after the cat and play.She wouldn't hurt a cat for anything in the World. About a year ago,a cat was laying under I van.My doggy barked at the cat,but the cat didn't move,doggy did not try to physically attack the cat.I thought the cat was sick,I put my doggy in my house and when I went back outside,the cat had moved on elsewhere.I guess I like cats ok.They have a place in this World too. cuhulin Article: 341270 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: What Does the 12th Tube DO? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 14:40:13 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <12ff3rub6gne075@corp.supernews.com> In "Mark Oppat" writes: >Using triodes as diodes goes way back, as well. Tangential to what you're talking about, my favorite example of this is where the diodes are rectifiers -- the Western Electric amplfier ("43"?) that used four 211 triodes, at least one of them connected as a diode rectifier. I believe it's been thought this was done so you only have to stock a single tube for replacement, which is indeed clever. I think perhaps it was done because 211's are =cool=. :) -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 341271 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Zenith Console Stereo SF2580 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:34:08 -0700 Message-ID: <24207-44F844E0-169@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157102792.759192.276860@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> gerry: 6BC7 is a triple diode. Header address is a spam trap. E-mail: oldcoot88atwebtv.net Change 'at' to @ Article: 341272 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Zenith Console Stereo SF2580 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 07:38:42 -0700 Message-ID: <24207-44F845F2-170@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157102792.759192.276860@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> AAk ! Hit the 'send' key by mistake. 6BC7 is a triple diode, probably used in the detector area. You want the FM oscillator/mixer. Look in the 'front end' area near the tuning mechanism. oc Article: 341273 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anti-Dinius" Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: 1 Sep 2006 08:39:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1157125148.226548.69340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1157033709_5975@sp6iad.superfeed.net> Steven wrote: > "I am about to seek a lawyer concerning several person and your > customer is one...", Do lawyers accept food stamps? Article: 341274 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anti-Dinius" Subject: Kooky, Kooky lend me your comb! Date: 1 Sep 2006 08:52:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1157125951.768706.256320@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: <1157033709_5975@sp6iad.superfeed.net> Steven wrote: > Be careful what you wish for. > > This message has been automatically generated in response to the > creation of a trouble ticket regarding: > "I am about to seek a lawyer concerning several person and your > customer is one...", > a summary of which appears below. > > There is no need to reply to this message right now. Your ticket has > been > assigned an ID of > > Somebody else is getting theirs. You have been mentioned in another > person's. It's almost if they've met Steven before: http://www.smbtech.com/lawsuit.html Article: 341275 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:15:36 -0500 Message-ID: <21267-44F85CA8-288@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157125148.226548.69340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Belleek,Ireland.I own a few Waterford Crystal thingys (because I am Scotch Irish,go figure.I have to go to Celtic Festival this month,go figure) but I dont use them,go figure. cuhulin Article: 341276 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:18:19 -0500 Message-ID: <21267-44F85D4B-289@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157033709_5975@sp6iad.superfeed.net> I can buy Waterford Crystal from Ireland all day long at some stores here in the Jackson area. cuhulin Article: 341277 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Zenith Console Stereo SF2580 Date: 1 Sep 2006 09:25:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1157127915.111742.240920@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <1157102792.759192.276860@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Bill Sheppard wrote: > 6BC7 is a triple diode, probably used in the detector area. You want the > FM oscillator/mixer. Look in the 'front end' area near the tuning > mechanism. > oc What are a few common tube numbers for that? Article: 341278 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 09:33:54 -0700 Message-ID: <4IKdnaxhmZNl_WXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com> I have carefully applied chlorine bleach to a black stain to lighten it. Apply it only to the stain, not the surrounding area. I put it on sparingly, using a Q-tip or even a toothpick. The manufacturer would not have applied wax to bare wood before applying the rest of the finish. And I seriously doubt that wax would survive chemical stripping. Not sure what you have there, but if you can lighten the stain, that may not matter. After you fill the open grain and apply a few coats of new lacquer, it should all be smooth again. If the waxiness still bothers you, you could try a stronger solvent such as lacquer thinner. Since the cabinet is already stripped, that wouldn't harm the rest of the finish. Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 341279 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1157119104.324888.254620@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Lighten Up! Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:41:02 GMT When I took the photos they came out extremely yellow. I did a LOT of adjusting to brightness, contrast, color saturation, and other things, to get what you see. As time permits I'll post better photos. But I felt it better to finish it off with these, than wait another 10 years or so until every photo and graphic are perfect. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "DumpsterDiver" wrote in message news:1157119104.324888.254620@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >A (hopefully) useful, constructive suggestion: > > Some of the photos would benefit greatly from a bit of tweaking of the > brightness / contrast. > > Unfortunately, most digital cameras seem to produce pix that show way > too dark when viewed on computer screens / monitors. The detail is > typically all there, but needs to be made visible by lightening up > using your photo editing software. > > Same comment goes for most other sites I've visited, and most Ebay > listings. > > > DD > > > Gary Tayman wrote: >> While many of you are busy cleaning your benches and taking photos, I've >> decided to start another thread. This one is not in the binaries, but on >> my >> website. As promised long ago, I've set up a page devoted to my personal >> radio collection. >> >> Compared to the thousands of valuable sets owned by some others on this >> list, it's certainly not much. However I indeed enjoy it, and would like >> to >> share it with others. >> >> You can go directly to the page by clicking here: >> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/caradio/collection.htm >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com > Article: 341280 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:16:08 -0500 Message-ID: <1975-44F86AD8-480@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <44F78282.4C5AEA26@earthlink.net> Somebody once forensic checked out a sprig of Napoleon Bonaparte's hair.It emerged (I am getting to where I like that term,it emerged,it has emerged) that he croaked from aresenic poisoning,the wallpaper and stuff.Long ago,some of them wimmins wore little thingys around their necks,it was arsenic,they would take a sip of it once in a while because it gave their faces that rosie glow.They didn't realize they were poisioning themselves. cuhulin ........................................................ And I held her while,,,,,,, Bonaparte's Retreatttttt,,,,,,,,, ....................................................... Article: 341281 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:20:11 -0500 Message-ID: <1977-44F86BCB-18@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157072523.138149.143030@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell is A OK.Because I say so,,, that's why. cuhulin Article: 341282 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: What Does the 12th Tube DO? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:24:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1975-44F86CE3-483@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: It just sits there and looks pretty.But not as pretty as that Mississippi College gal I saw in the Wal Mart parking lot a few days ago.Gosh,I want to adopt her. cuhulin Article: 341283 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:02:00 -0500 From: Bill Cohn Subject: Re: Zenith Console Stereo SF2580 References: <1157102792.759192.276860@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <24207-44F845F2-170@storefull-3175.bay.webtv.net> <1157127915.111742.240920@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Gerry, The tube you want to check is the 12AT7. There are two of them in the front end of this tuner one is used for both AM and FM and the other is used just for the FM side. Swap them and see what happens. It very likely the problem is not a tube but another problem in the chassis like bad capacitors or a bad IF transformer. Good Luck, Bill Cohn gerryu21220@gmail.com wrote: > Bill Sheppard wrote: > >> 6BC7 is a triple diode, probably used in the detector area. You want the >> FM oscillator/mixer. Look in the 'front end' area near the tuning >> mechanism. >> oc > > What are a few common tube numbers for that? > Article: 341284 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "toxcrusadr" Subject: Re: Lighten Up! Date: 1 Sep 2006 11:04:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1157133884.976496.42260@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Gary Tayman wrote: > As time permits I'll post better photos. But I felt it better to finish it > off with these, than wait another 10 years or so until every photo and > graphic are perfect. Nice page Gary, I'd like to do that myself for my modest collection but haven't got a round tuit. Tox Article: 341285 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:18:13 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: 45 playing time? (was: Re: RCA automobile 45 changer?) Message-ID: References: In article , "Gary Tayman" wrote: > Record speeds have been discussed here before. I don't remember any discussions here of the theoretical considerations that went into the choice of speeds, just various factors relating to standardization and practical implementation. > The original speed was around 80 rpm, give or take. It varied according to > the record company. When electrical phonographs came into being they > decided to set a standard for the motor speed, which was 78 rpm -- actually > 78.26. The calculation comes from the poles of the motor, wheel ratios, and > the 60 Hz line frequency. The question is, was the 80 RPM figure determined empirically, or was it the result of someone sitting down and going through the math to derive the optimal speed for a given set of product goals, as was the case with the RCA 45 RPM record? One aspect of this issue that has been discussed here before is how the exact speed of 78.26 RPM was eventually settled upon. The eventual choice of 78.26 RPM seems to have resulted from the use of 46 pole 60 Hz synchronous motors in early direct drive turntables. This seems to have been a US centric choice, which wouldn't work as well for the Europeans with their 50 Hz power systems, where something like 78.95 RPM would have been a more reasonable choice. Does anyone know what the standard speed for 78s was in Europe? > The 33 1/3 rpm speed was calculated in a similar manner, originally used for > talkies for movies. RCA used this speed for a few records around 1930, then > the speed was used for radio transcriptions, then later used by Columbia for > the new LP format. But again this doesn't explain how the actual choice of 33 and 1/3 RPM was originally made for the "talkies", was it an empirical choice, or did it result from analysis of the theoretical considerations? Certainly the extension of this speed first to Broadcast Transcriptions, and later to the Columbia LP must have been mostly the convenience of using an existing speed. I assume that CBS/Columbia picked this speed for the LP not because it was optimum for the microgrove LP in any sense, but because professional turntables already supported this speed, giving the format a leg up as it were. RCA seems to have been the only Company to pick the theoretically optimum speed for the format they were developing. Regards, John Byrns > "John Byrns" wrote in message > news:jbyrns-3108062038120001@216-80-74-177.s177.tnt1.chgo.il.dialup.rcn.com... > > In article , glog@sympatico.ca > > wrote: > > > >> Josh..... I see them occaisionly here in the Toronto area at flea > >> markets, antique markets and the like. They did make on, and I put one > >> in my 53 Roadmaster convertable. > >> It wasn't a changer, but a single play unit and I believe it was called > >> the RCA Ultra-Fi 45. > >> > >> Slide the 45 in, press the bar to lock and put the stylus to the > >> record and music to go. They were really hard on the record though. > >> Pressure had to be high to deal with the bumps of the road. > >> > >> There were two versions of the RCA, a single player aftermarket (I > >> bought mine at Canadian Tire in 1958) and a large multi disc changer > >> unit made specifically for Chrysler as a option. See: > >> > http://ookworld.com/hiwayhifi.html > >> > >> also: > >> > http://www.imperialclub.com/Yr/1960/RecordPlayer/index.htm > > > > The Chrysler brochure at the second link says that the capacity of the 45 > > changer is 14 records, which will play for up to 2 hours automatically. > > To achieve a total playing time of two hours from 14 sides, the average > > playing time would have to be in excess of 8.5 minutes per side. The 45 > > EPs in my collection typically run between 6 and 7 minutes per side, which > > would give a playing time of only about 1.6 Hours for 14 sides. > > > > Does anyone know what the official maximum playing time per side is for a > > 45 EP? I am sure they can be easily stretched to the 8 minutes and 34 > > seconds per side required to get 2 hours of playing time from 14 sides, > > but what was the maximum spec.? Somewhere around here I have a paper > > which gives all the gory details that went into the design of the 45 RPM > > record, but finding it would be a tall order, especially since I don't > > remember what magazine or journal it appeared in. The main thing I > > remember from the paper was that it contained a proof that 45 RPM was the > > optimal rotational speed for the record. I don't remember what the givens > > were, size was probably one, and playing time might have been another. > > There were pages and pages of scientific calculations involved in > > calculating the optimum rotational speed, as well as the other design > > parameters. I will have to root around and see if I can locate the paper. > > > > This all makes me curious how the other two popular speeds, 78 RPM and 33 > > and a third RPM were arrived at? Does anyone know? Were they essentially > > just picked out of the air, or were there good reasons for their choice? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > John Byrns > > > > > > Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 341286 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 13:19:18 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: CORRECTION- What Does the12th Tube Do? Message-ID: References: <12ff739kcrho84c@corp.supernews.com> In article <12ff739kcrho84c@corp.supernews.com>, "Hagstar" wrote: > Look at this dual schematic- > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/422/M0013422.htm > > Notice the only difference between a 41-295 and a 41-300 is one added > loctal, a dual diode (note box on schematic lower right). BUT what does it > DO, if anything? That is a very good question which has been pondered here before with relation to a common connection of the second diode in many AA5 radios, where the second diode is tied between the AGC line and ground. The Philco in question effectively uses three diodes, as do many other radios. One diode is used as the 2nd detector to demodulate the audio, the second diode is used as the AGC rectifier, and the third or "mystery" is used as what some people call a "clamp" on the AGC line. There are a few radios out there which use a positive bias voltage in their delayed AGC circuit and require this sort of "clamp" diode, but that isn't the case with this Philco set which uses a negative voltage to delay the AGC. The purpose could have been to increase the tube count, but if that was the case why not simply use the two diodes of the duo diode tube for the detector and AGC rectifier, and leave the two diodes in the triode/duo diode tube unused, as was done in many other radios? In AA5 radios there are four different ways the second diode in the triode/duo diode tube is connected. First the second diode can be used as an AGC rectifier separate from the detector diode, which I believe was the way the tube designers intended it to be used. Second in radios that use a single diode as a combination detector and AGC rectifier there are three ways that the second diode can be connected. The second diode can be left unused by connecting it to the cathode, or it can be connected in parallel with the first diode used as the combination detector and AGC rectifier, again rendering it essentially unused. The final and perhaps most interesting, or at least "mysterious", connection of the second diode seen in AA5 radios is connecting the diode between the AGC line and ground in the same way as the third diode in this Philco radio is connected. In previous threads about this shunt connection of the second diode in AA5 radios, three suggestions as to the purpose of this connection have been put forward. The first suggestion was that it was a "clamp" used to prevent the AGC line from going positive. This doesn't make any sense to me because the AGC line in these radios normally has little incentive to go positive, at least in a properly operating example. The second suggestion was that the socket pin for the second diode was simply being used as a convenient and free tie point for the components of the AGC filter network. This is my favorite explanation in the case of the AA5, as I was the one to suggest it. This doesn't really make sense in the case of the Philco radio in question though, as you would hardly add a whole extra tube and socket to simply gain a tie point. The third and final suggestion was that it provides a small amount of extra negative bias on the AGC line as a result of its contact potential. If the purpose in the AA5 is not cost saving, then this is the only explanation that makes any sense to me. This would also apply to the Philco if the object wasn't simply to increase the tube count of the radio, and there are certainly easier ways to increase the tube count, such as simply ignoring the diodes in the duo diode/triode tube completely. It is interesting to compare the schematics of the model 41-300 with the schematic of the model 41-255, both of which use similar circuits and include the third "clamp" diode". Both radios use delayed AGC with a negative delay voltage and have separate AGC lines and filters for the mixer and for the 1st IF amplifier. The 41-300 places the extra "clamp" diode on the AGC line controlling the 1st IF amplifier, while the 41-255 places the extra "clamp" diode on the AGC line controlling the mixer tube. Why this difference when the two radios use other wise virtually identical RF/IF/Det circuits? My guess is that Philco included this extra tube simply to differentiate two similar models, 41-295 vs. 41-300 and 41 250 vs. 41-255 as examples, by giving one a slightly higher tube count, without the expense of engineering a completely different chassis. These radios are also interesting in that they use two IF stages, and a triode mixer without a preceding RF amplifier stage. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 341287 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: 45 playing time? (was: Re: RCA automobile 45 changer?) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:53:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: In jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) writes: >RCA seems to have been the only Company to pick the theoretically optimum >speed for the format they were developing. "Optimum" in what sense? The absolute best fidelity? The lowest price? The smallest size? Often it means the best price-to-performance ratio, but this opens up even more questions. I think what often happens is the price is fixed, and performance falls where it will. Performance in this case also needs to be defined. Signal to noise ratio? Durability? Playing time? Ease of use? Mechanical stability under temperature extremes? My guess is that groove width had been set more-or-less empirically, given the record materials they had to work with, which had also been developed by trial-and-error while discovering what could be mass produced. I'd also guess the diameter was chosen for marketing reasons, such as storage space and ease of handling. For a desired recording length, which would be based on the duration of the music, the only math left would be to calculate the maximum rotations per minute. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 341288 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <44f7526f$0$8951$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Nice find, I think...... Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 12:03:38 -0700 Message-ID: For $20, I'd call that a steal. Good score! Regarding 6X5 rectifiers, if you search the Google archives of this group at the following URL, you'll find much wisdom about these tubes and how to deal with them. Search for something like "6X5 rectifier." http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono?hl=en Regards, Phil Nelson Phil's Old Radios http://antiqueradio.org/index.html Article: 341289 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Carter-k8vt Subject: Re: What Does the 12th Tube DO? References: <12ff3rub6gne075@corp.supernews.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:05:46 GMT Mark Oppat wrote: > Using triodes as diodes goes way back, as well. The Western Electric Model 25A amplifier (from the mid 20s) used two 205 triodes, one of which was connected as a rectifier. Article: 341290 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:31:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3e2hf2l8vmo6gp8h6ap241ht78l4firqat@4ax.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On 1 Sep 2006 07:09:46 -0700, amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: >I have been googling for days and don't think I have found my answer. > >I have a late 30's GE H70 radio cabinet that I have started stripping >the finish off. Using a chemical stripper I have removed some of the >finish. There was a couple of black stains in the top finish that >after the stripping were still there. I brought the cabinet into work >and asked a co-worked that does furniture refinishing what I could do >to remove it. He felt the surface and said that there is still a waxy >finish on there. He suggected amonia (Javex) to remove the stain and >the waxy surface. I did use this with a #0000 steel wool and the stain >did get removed and so did the waxy finish. I now have a very open >grained top BUT there are a couple of areas that will not give up the >waxy finish. > >My question - is this actually a wax type of finish that would have >been applied before the color and final finish or was this some other >treatment applied? > >What would be a more effective remover if this isn't a wax and I were >not to use Javex? > >Thanks >Brian Buy a cabinet scraper, read the directions on how to sharpen it and use it. Try scraping the finish off of an old board until you get used to it. Then scrape the whole top of the cabinet, assuming that that top in not a curved top. You should be able to easily scrape the stained/waxy area clean. If you end up scratching the surface with a corner, then you'll have to sand it, otherwise you shouldn't have to sand it as the scraper will give you a smoother finish than sandpaper can. Then use a wood filler to fill the pores of the wood before you apply any finish. Blacksmith wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 341291 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: 1 Sep 2006 12:50:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1157140255.852288.125330@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1157031726.108183.46300@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Ten minutes of my life that I will never get back. WAHHHH!!!!! *cries in the corner* -- steph Article: 341292 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lee Subject: Re: Lighten Up! Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 16:29:04 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1157119104.324888.254620@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> <1157133884.976496.42260@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> toxcrusadr wrote: > Gary Tayman wrote: > >> As time permits I'll post better photos. But I felt it better to finish it >> off with these, than wait another 10 years or so until every photo and >> graphic are perfect. > > Nice page Gary, I'd like to do that myself for my modest collection but > haven't got a round tuit. > > Tox > Tox...... not an excuse for you anymore! http://www.frog.co.nz/tuit.jpg Regards Lee Article: 341293 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: My Personal Radio Collection Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:12:51 -0500 Message-ID: <24427-44F8A253-529@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: Gary,that is a nice website you have there and some great radios too.That Atwater Kent speaker at the top left on your website,I own an Atwater Kent speaker exactly like that one.I paid forty five dollars for it at the old Flowers Flea Market about fifteen years ago.Another old speaker I own is a Zeinith hexagon speaker.The cloth grill on it has a vase of flowers on it. cuhulin Article: 341294 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: My Personal Radio Collection Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:16:56 -0500 Message-ID: <24427-44F8A348-530@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: Not to be leaving anybody out,,, Dave,that is a nice website and some great radios you have there too. cuhulin Article: 341295 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:27:55 -0500 Message-ID: <24427-44F8A5DB-532@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157140255.852288.125330@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Was it that bad? cuhulin Article: 341296 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: What Does the 12th Tube DO? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 16:38:20 -0500 Message-ID: <24427-44F8A84C-533@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: I have a 1941 (I was born in 1941 too and the old ex U.S.Post Office drop box/sidewalk mail box on my front porch next to my old Chattanooga Leo 3 Railroad Caboose heater,my mail box has the date 1941 on it) Allied Radio catalog,catalog is in good condition.Some of the radio ads in my catalog brag (Fort Bragg is Bragging everyday) about how many tubes they have. cuhulin Article: 341297 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <3e2hf2l8vmo6gp8h6ap241ht78l4firqat@4ax.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:11:00 -0500 Blacksmith wrote: > On 1 Sep 2006 07:09:46 -0700, amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > >> I have been googling for days and don't think I have found my answer. >> >> I have a late 30's GE H70 radio cabinet that I have started stripping >> the finish off. Using a chemical stripper I have removed some of the >> finish. There was a couple of black stains in the top finish that >> after the stripping were still there. I brought the cabinet into work >> and asked a co-worked that does furniture refinishing what I could do >> to remove it. He felt the surface and said that there is still a waxy >> finish on there. He suggected amonia (Javex) to remove the stain and >> the waxy surface. I did use this with a #0000 steel wool and the stain >> did get removed and so did the waxy finish. I now have a very open >> grained top BUT there are a couple of areas that will not give up the >> waxy finish. >> >> My question - is this actually a wax type of finish that would have >> been applied before the color and final finish or was this some other >> treatment applied? >> >> What would be a more effective remover if this isn't a wax and I were >> not to use Javex? >> >> Thanks >> Brian > > Buy a cabinet scraper, read the directions on how to sharpen it and > use it. Try scraping the finish off of an old board until you get used > to it. Then scrape the whole top of the cabinet, assuming that that > top in not a curved top. You should be able to easily scrape the > stained/waxy area clean. If you end up scratching the surface with a > corner, then you'll have to sand it, otherwise you shouldn't have to > sand it as the scraper will give you a smoother finish than sandpaper > can. > > Then use a wood filler to fill the pores of the wood before you apply > any finish. > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom > I've used scrapers before in a luthiers shop; but I haven't been able to source one locally for myself. Do you have a source? jak Article: 341298 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: 1 Sep 2006 15:39:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> > If the waxiness still bothers you, you could try a stronger solvent such as > lacquer thinner. Since the cabinet is already stripped, that wouldn't harm > the rest of the finish. > I used the lacquer thinner and it did strip the finish off the rest of the cabinet very nicely. I was surprised how quickly it work. Unfortunately it did not touch the smooth shiney waxy feeling spots on the top. Brian Article: 341299 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oidar@nexicom.net Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: 1 Sep 2006 15:53:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1157151207.222510.119060@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> jakdedert wrote: > > > I've used scrapers before in a luthiers shop; but I haven't been able to > source one locally for myself. Do you have a source? > > jak Try www.leevalley.com They are both sides of the border and have a good selection of scrapers and related tools. Ed. Article: 341300 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil S." Subject: Philco 32-8748 Choke spec? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 18:57:54 -0400 Message-ID: Anyone out there who can tell me what the spec is on this choke? I don't have an LC bridge. It meters at 53 ohms. Has a decent heft to it. It came with a Philco 32-8469 power transformer.. I was able to find a Stancor xref for the PT, but can't find the choke. Appreciate your help. Thanks. Phil Article: 341301 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4IKdnaxhmZNl_WXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com> <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> In <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> amyotte@personainternet.com writes: >I used the lacquer thinner and it did strip the finish off the rest of >the cabinet very nicely. I was surprised how quickly it work. >Unfortunately it did not touch the smooth shiney waxy feeling spots on >the top. I'm not the right person to be saying this because I don't do cabinet work, but are you sure what you're feeling isn't just extremely smooth wood? By "waxy" do you mean tacky, or glass-like? -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 341302 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jakdedert Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <3e2hf2l8vmo6gp8h6ap241ht78l4firqat@4ax.com> <1157151207.222510.119060@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2006 18:11:22 -0500 oidar@nexicom.net wrote: > jakdedert wrote: >> I've used scrapers before in a luthiers shop; but I haven't been able to >> source one locally for myself. Do you have a source? >> >> jak > > Try www.leevalley.com They are both sides of the border and have a > good selection of scrapers and related tools. > > Ed. > > is exactly what I was looking for. At every hardware store I've asked, they point me to the Red Devil paint scrapers. Ouch! Not good.... Anyone not hip to these simple, inexpensive tools would do well to purchase one and try it...the fastest--most gentle--way to take large amounts of finish off flat surfaces, IMO. MUCH better than sanding or chemical stripping. Thanks, jak Article: 341303 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: 1 Sep 2006 16:12:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> By "waxy" do you mean tacky, or glass-like? > It is glass like. Brian Article: 341304 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Tim Mullen Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 23:18:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4IKdnaxhmZNl_WXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com> <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> In <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> amyotte@personainternet.com writes: >It is glass like. The reason I asked is I've felt wood sanded so smooth it almost doesn't feel like wood. I'm wondering if this is what you're feeling. But, again, I'm not the best person to weigh in on cabinet work. -- Tim Mullen ------------------------------------------------------------------ Am I in your basement? Looking for antique televisions, fans, etc. ------ finger this account or call anytime: (212)-463-0552 ------- Article: 341305 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Phil Nelson" References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4IKdnaxhmZNl_WXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com> <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 17:15:07 -0700 Message-ID: <_Nednbg19fqKUGXZnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@giganews.com> Good point, Tim. If the surface is simply smooth, not waxy (i.e., tacky or gummy), I'd declare victory and forget about further treatment apart from bleaching the dark area. In the process of filling the grain pores and applying a new finish, you will be making the rest of the cabinet smooth to match. I'm not sure that scraping alone would solve your problem, since some dark marks, such as water stains or burns, actually penetrate into the wood. You don't want to carve out a depression or sand down the entire surface by a huge amount if simple bleaching would lighten the stain surface. In any case, you risk nothing by trying some bleach first. You can always scrape and sand later. Note that, after removing the dark mark (by whatever means), you will be applying new toning lacquer to make the cabinet brown again. Very slight color differences will be masked by the toning lacquer. It doesn't have to be perfect-perfect-perfect, in other words, just close enough to pass the "walk-by" test after color is applied. Regards, Phil Nelson Article: 341306 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: norml Subject: Re: 45 playing time? (was: Re: RCA automobile 45 changer?) Message-ID: References: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 00:21:32 GMT jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) wrotf: >But again this doesn't explain how the actual choice of 33 and 1/3 RPM was >originally made for the "talkies", was it an empirical choice, or did it >result from analysis of the theoretical considerations? Certainly the >extension of this speed first to Broadcast Transcriptions, and later to >the Columbia LP must have been mostly the convenience of using an existing >speed. I assume that CBS/Columbia picked this speed for the LP not >because it was optimum for the microgrove LP in any sense, but because >professional turntables already supported this speed, giving the format a >leg up as it were. What I have heard is that, when the W.E. engineers were cobbling up their movie sound system, they called around to New York theaters and asked projectionists what speed the films were running at. (In the silent days projectors had variable speeds and different theaters had different speeds, at different times, for different reasons. The conductor's desk from the S.F. Fox had a little dial that told the orchestra conductor what speed the film was running at so he could adjust tempos accordingly.) The consensus was that 24 f.p.s. was nominal. The W.E. engineers then calculated that a 16" disc carrying the standard 3 mil. groove and revolving at 35 rpm, could carry the sound, in adequate fidelity, for an entire reel of film. They rummaged around in their junk box of gears and found an off-the-shelf combination that would conveniently drive a turntable, from a projector running at the chosen speed, at 33 1/3 rpm. Close enough. I don't know if this is a true story, but it IS a great story. Norm Article: 341307 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:32:15 -0400 Message-ID: <12fhk8s4ur7tn7b@corp.supernews.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4IKdnaxhmZNl_WXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com> <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_Nednbg19fqKUGXZnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@giganews.com> I fear these areas are silicone contaminated from furniture polish of ages past. A couple of light coats of thinned shellac should seal them against problems and is highly recommended in any case. John H. Article: 341308 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: CORRECTION- What Does the12th Tube Do? Date: 1 Sep 2006 17:42:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1157157740.091132.86600@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <12ff739kcrho84c@corp.supernews.com> John, one comment I can make in the 'mystery' diode is that I worked on a set that ran until I pulled the 6E5, to see why it glowed but the shadow would not move. and then the set stopped dead. Some investigation showed that the AGC line was several volts positive, driving the IF tube to saturation. It turned out the 6E5 grid was acting as a diode and holding the AGC line just a bit positive and allowing the IF to run 'wide open'. The fault turned out to be a gassy 6SA7 putting out a large positive voltage from it's grid onto the AGC. There is a slight possibility that was the intended reason for a diode there, but I cannot see why they would bother. Neil S. John Byrns wrote: > In article <12ff739kcrho84c@corp.supernews.com>, "Hagstar" > wrote: > > > Look at this dual schematic- > > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/422/M0013422.htm > > > > Notice the only difference between a 41-295 and a 41-300 is one added > > loctal, a dual diode (note box on schematic lower right). BUT what does it > > DO, if anything? > > > That is a very good question which has been pondered here before with > relation to a common connection of the second diode in many AA5 radios, > where the second diode is tied between the AGC line and ground. > > The Philco in question effectively uses three diodes, as do many other > radios. One diode is used as the 2nd detector to demodulate the audio, > the second diode is used as the AGC rectifier, and the third or "mystery" > is used as what some people call a "clamp" on the AGC line. There are a > few radios out there which use a positive bias voltage in their delayed > AGC circuit and require this sort of "clamp" diode, but that isn't the > case with this Philco set which uses a negative voltage to delay the AGC. > The purpose could have been to increase the tube count, but if that was > the case why not simply use the two diodes of the duo diode tube for the > detector and AGC rectifier, and leave the two diodes in the triode/duo > diode tube unused, as was done in many other radios? > > In AA5 radios there are four different ways the second diode in the > triode/duo diode tube is connected. First the second diode can be used as > an AGC rectifier separate from the detector diode, which I believe was the > way the tube designers intended it to be used. Second in radios that use > a single diode as a combination detector and AGC rectifier there are three > ways that the second diode can be connected. The second diode can be left > unused by connecting it to the cathode, or it can be connected in parallel > with the first diode used as the combination detector and AGC rectifier, > again rendering it essentially unused. The final and perhaps most > interesting, or at least "mysterious", connection of the second diode seen > in AA5 radios is connecting the diode between the AGC line and ground in > the same way as the third diode in this Philco radio is connected. > > In previous threads about this shunt connection of the second diode in AA5 > radios, three suggestions as to the purpose of this connection have been > put forward. The first suggestion was that it was a "clamp" used to > prevent the AGC line from going positive. This doesn't make any sense to > me because the AGC line in these radios normally has little incentive to > go positive, at least in a properly operating example. The second > suggestion was that the socket pin for the second diode was simply being > used as a convenient and free tie point for the components of the AGC > filter network. This is my favorite explanation in the case of the AA5, > as I was the one to suggest it. This doesn't really make sense in the > case of the Philco radio in question though, as you would hardly add a > whole extra tube and socket to simply gain a tie point. The third and > final suggestion was that it provides a small amount of extra negative > bias on the AGC line as a result of its contact potential. If the purpose > in the AA5 is not cost saving, then this is the only explanation that > makes any sense to me. This would also apply to the Philco if the object > wasn't simply to increase the tube count of the radio, and there are > certainly easier ways to increase the tube count, such as simply ignoring > the diodes in the duo diode/triode tube completely. > > It is interesting to compare the schematics of the model 41-300 with the > schematic of the model 41-255, both of which use similar circuits and > include the third "clamp" diode". Both radios use delayed AGC with a > negative delay voltage and have separate AGC lines and filters for the > mixer and for the 1st IF amplifier. The 41-300 places the extra "clamp" > diode on the AGC line controlling the 1st IF amplifier, while the 41-255 > places the extra "clamp" diode on the AGC line controlling the mixer > tube. Why this difference when the two radios use other wise virtually > identical RF/IF/Det circuits? > > My guess is that Philco included this extra tube simply to differentiate > two similar models, 41-295 vs. 41-300 and 41 250 vs. 41-255 as examples, > by giving one a slightly higher tube count, without the expense of > engineering a completely different chassis. > > These radios are also interesting in that they use two IF stages, and a > triode mixer without a preceding RF amplifier stage. > > > Regards, > > John Byrns > > > Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 341309 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 21:19:23 -0400 Message-ID: <12fhn18a14sl267@corp.supernews.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4IKdnaxhmZNl_WXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com> <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Tim Mullen" wrote in message news:edaf3f$h25$1@reader2.panix.com... > In <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> > amyotte@personainternet.com writes: > >>It is glass like. > > The reason I asked is I've felt wood sanded so smooth it almost > doesn't feel like wood. Yes, this a common mistake made by folks who don't understand film finishes like lacquer. Even the most expensive furniture makers never sand bare wood beyond 220 grit to insure enough "tooth" for the lacquer or vanish to adhere well. The scratches are completely filled by the finish. Sanding wood to 400 grit or better is only for oil or wax non-film finishes.Also it is correct between coats. John H. Article: 341310 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <12ff739kcrho84c@corp.supernews.com> <1157157740.091132.86600@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: CORRECTION- What Does the12th Tube Do? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 20:46:06 -0500 Message-ID: <44f8d54e$0$19636$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "nesesu" wrote in message news:1157157740.091132.86600@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > Some investigation showed that the AGC line was several volts positive, > driving the IF tube to saturation. It turned out the 6E5 grid was > acting as a diode and holding the AGC line just a bit positive and > allowing the IF to run 'wide open'. The fault turned out to be a gassy > 6SA7 putting out a large positive voltage from it's grid onto the AGC. > There is a slight possibility that was the intended reason for a diode > there, but I cannot see why they would bother. No, that probably is the reason. There are sets out there which have an extra tube known as a "gas gate" whose sole purpose in life is to keep the AGC line from going positive due to a gassy tube. There a discussion here: http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=59628 It's also been discussed here before, search Google Groups archives for "gas gate". -p. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 341311 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "KB9NLK" Subject: Montgomery Ward Airline 62-188 Console Questions Date: 1 Sep 2006 19:25:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1157163958.721264.248010@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> I am working on a Montgomery Ward Airline console. The model is a 62-188.... Two things I am working on figuring out are: 1.) There are two small dark black/brown bakelite type switches in the middle of the radio under the dial. They are stacked on top of one another and are vertical in relation to the radio. They just seem to rotate all the way around with no stops. The to wires on each one have been cut by someone and I cannot for the life of me figure out what they were for or where they are supposed to hook up to looking at the schematic. I am sure I am missing something, but I have only seen 1 picture of this model and it did not have 2 items that mine does. 1 is the eye tube an the other are these switch thingies.... 2.) I am looking for the tuning knob and the volume control knob. I have the two on the left, but need the two on the right basically..... Thanks for any help! Ed KB9NLK Article: 341312 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: 1 Sep 2006 19:30:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1157164222.648478.152780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Phil Nelson wrote: > Good point, Tim. > > If the surface is simply smooth, not waxy (i.e., tacky or gummy), I'd > declare victory and forget about further treatment apart from bleaching the > dark area. In the process of filling the grain pores and applying a new > finish, you will be making the rest of the cabinet smooth to match. > > I'm not sure that scraping alone would solve your problem, since some dark > marks, such as water stains or burns, actually penetrate into the wood. You > don't want to carve out a depression or sand down the entire surface by a > huge amount if simple bleaching would lighten the stain surface. In any > case, you risk nothing by trying some bleach first. You can always scrape > and sand later. > > Note that, after removing the dark mark (by whatever means), you will be > applying new toning lacquer to make the cabinet brown again. Very slight > color differences will be masked by the toning lacquer. It doesn't have to > be perfect-perfect-perfect, in other words, just close enough to pass the > "walk-by" test after color is applied. > > Regards, > > Phil Nelson Bleach (Javex) doesn't touch it. Maybe with the 0000 steel wool I have been using I may have polish the wood. The caps came in yesterday for this radio and my RCA 8K-1 and we have a wet weekend coming up so I get to play :) Brian Article: 341313 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: 1 Sep 2006 19:38:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1157164719.184041.304800@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Hagstar wrote: > "Tim Mullen" wrote in message > news:edaf3f$h25$1@reader2.panix.com... > > In <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> > > amyotte@personainternet.com writes: > > > >>It is glass like. > > > > The reason I asked is I've felt wood sanded so smooth it almost > > doesn't feel like wood. > > Yes, this a common mistake made by folks who don't understand film finishes > like lacquer. Even the most expensive furniture makers never sand bare wood > beyond 220 grit to insure enough "tooth" for the lacquer or vanish to adhere > well. The scratches are completely filled by the finish. > > Sanding wood to 400 grit or better is only for oil or wax non-film > finishes.Also it is correct between coats. > > John H. Thanks John Good point about the sanding grit. And I do not know about lacquer finishes. Brian Article: 341314 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Engineer" Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: 1 Sep 2006 20:13:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1157166798.889504.99880@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Hagstar wrote: (snip) > Sanding wood to 400 grit or better is only for oil or wax non-film > finishes. (snip) > John H. Quite right, John. One extra point: if you do sand down to 400 for an oil finish, DO NOT touch the wood with bare hands - the sweat leaves a mark in the finish. Wear cotton gloves for the last sanding and 0000 "wooling" BTW, walnut then looks "silver grey", hardly a wood colour at all. Cheers, Roger Article: 341315 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 1 Sep 2006 20:23:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> If there is such a thing... What radio would be on anyones want list? Brian Article: 341316 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 22:33:44 -0500 Message-ID: <44f8ee80$0$19702$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> wrote in message news:1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > What radio would be on anyones want list? Too open-ended a question. We all collect different things; what appeals to one won't appeal to another. The universe of "antique radio" is way too big for anybody to be interested in all of them. As far as I know, the most expensive radio that is immediately identifiable to non-collectors as a radio is the 1935 Zenith 1000Z Stratosphere of which average examples will sell in mid-five-figure prices. But not everybody wants one. JM2c -p. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 341317 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "L." References: <1157033709_5975@sp6iad.superfeed.net> <1157035326.253868.117300@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157039644.182523.4680@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1157040123.551177.315660@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157066897.457031.196900@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157071833.581876.217240@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1157072640.169625.131930@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157093446.104048.263680@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1157125148.226548.69340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:14:36 -0400 Message-ID: <44f90522$0$10193$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Anti-Dinius" wrote in message news:1157125148.226548.69340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Steven wrote: >> "I am about to seek a lawyer concerning several person and your >> customer is one...", > > Do lawyers accept food stamps? > Most legal aid attorneys don't "sue" for monetary damages either. If you can't prove a case without doubt, meaning YOU haven't provoked it in some way - LOTS OF LUCK - SKIPPY! The answer is simple - quit drawing attention to yourself and all will stop! L. Article: 341318 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:26:33 -0400 Message-ID: <12fi1vqk4mshd6a@corp.supernews.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> A 12 tube Walton's at a yard sale. John H. Article: 341319 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:45:11 -0400 Message-ID: <12fi32nthri7844@news.supernews.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4IKdnaxhmZNl_WXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com> <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_Nednbg19fqKUGXZnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1157164222.648478.152780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1157164222.648478.152780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Bleach (Javex) doesn't touch it. Maybe with the 0000 steel wool I have > been using I may have polish the wood. > > The caps came in yesterday for this radio and my RCA 8K-1 and we have a > wet weekend coming up so I get to play :) > > Brian > Any chance you can try posting a few pictures, close-ups of the are you are concerned with, plus a sampling of the adjacent wood to compare? You can post them on NEWS:alt.binaries.pictures.radio Article: 341320 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:48:19 -0400 Message-ID: <12fi38jdvg3ehb2@news.supernews.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4IKdnaxhmZNl_WXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com> <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <12fhn18a14sl267@corp.supernews.com> <1157164719.184041.304800@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1157164719.184041.304800@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > Good point about the sanding grit. And I do not know about lacquer > finishes. > > Brian Have you ever sprayed lacquer? Toner (tinted lacquer, usually sprayed) is how they got those great finishes from often unevenly grained wood. I've never done it, but it certainly is easy to spot, and looks fabulously authentic. Article: 341321 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 00:49:53 -0400 Message-ID: <12fi3bhgs2uffe4@news.supernews.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <12fi1vqk4mshd6a@corp.supernews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12fi1vqk4mshd6a@corp.supernews.com... > A 12 tube Walton's at a yard sale. > > John H. That your wife found for you for $50 Can we talk win-win? Article: 341322 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Test Equipment From: Paul Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 05:49:46 GMT Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of getting a signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a good deal or is there a cheaper alternative? Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? Paul Article: 341323 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 1 Sep 2006 23:09:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1157177349.544468.280960@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Depends on which most desirable radio you're talking about. Article: 341324 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: Subject: Re: Test Equipment Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 01:19:16 -0500 Message-ID: <44f91555$0$19611$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Paul" wrote in message news:Xns9831F26C37EAFnospamallnet@24.70.95.211... > Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of getting a > signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a good deal > or is there a cheaper alternative? > > Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? I think it's too much unless you really feel that you must have new equipment. '50s vintage signal generators are widely available for $20 or less and will generally work fine after a recap (not that difficult for most generators.) Look for an Eico or Heathkit for easiest access to manuals and service information. Hewlett-Packard generators work better but can be a bit intimidating for someone new to electronics and are big, heavy and expensive to ship if you don't find one locally. Problem is these inexpensive service-grade tools are not that accurate. Calibrate it against a digital AM radio with PLL tuning until you feel like buying a frequency counter. This will teach you how: http://www.radioremembered.org/tips.htm#sigcal If you have this, a multimeter and a good soldering tool (and the usual selection of hand tools and a well lit bench to work on) you're ready to start working on radios. You can keep buying equipment as your budget, knowledge and inclination allow. G/L -p. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 341325 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Subject changed to more of Skippy's lies. Date: 1 Sep 2006 23:20:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1157178008.620289.321840@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1156879380.954694.119060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > > > > Go ahead and plonk Buck... remember who's at fault here. > > > I guess that all Buck wants to read is Skippy's insane rants? Gee, > who will answer his questions after he plonks the entire newsgroup, > except Skippy? > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. You know, I hadn't realized that this thing was growing more layers than an onion. Smells like one, to be sure. We know who the fragile ones are, at least. Small comfort. Good night, Mike. > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Article: 341326 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: 1 Sep 2006 23:23:39 -0700 Message-ID: <1157178218.959875.30610@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1157033709_5975@sp6iad.superfeed.net> L. wrote: > "Anti-Dinius" wrote in message > news:1157125148.226548.69340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > Steven wrote: > >> "I am about to seek a lawyer concerning several person and your > >> customer is one...", > > > > Do lawyers accept food stamps? > > > > Most legal aid attorneys don't "sue" for monetary damages either. If you > can't prove a case without doubt, meaning YOU haven't provoked it in some > way - LOTS OF LUCK - SKIPPY! > > The answer is simple - quit drawing attention to yourself and all will stop! > > L. What an assinine notion. That implies I should leave. Why not you, if you want to espouse that line? At least we have found the fragile ones, FWIW. Article: 341327 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: 1 Sep 2006 23:30:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1157178604.074488.220340@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <1157033709_5975@sp6iad.superfeed.net> L. wrote: > "Anti-Dinius" wrote in message > news:1157125148.226548.69340@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > Steven wrote: > >> "I am about to seek a lawyer concerning several person and your > >> customer is one...", > > > > Do lawyers accept food stamps? No. Food Stamps are not physical coupons anymore and haven't been for years. They are accessed by a swipe card with a PIN, like an ATM or debit card. 1970 happened in 1970. Please update your calendar. You can download better stereotypes now. Article: 341328 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Test Equipment Date: 1 Sep 2006 23:43:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1157179396.829197.108970@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Paul Dietenberger wrote: > > > > "Paul" wrote in message > > news:Xns9831F26C37EAFnospamallnet@24.70.95.211... > > > Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of getting a > > > signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a good deal > > > or is there a cheaper alternative? > > > > > > Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? > > > > I think it's too much unless you really feel that you must have new > > equipment. '50s vintage signal generators are widely available for $20 or > > less and will generally work fine after a recap (not that difficult for most > > generators.) Look for an Eico or Heathkit for easiest access to manuals and > > service information. Hewlett-Packard generators work better but can be a bit > > intimidating for someone new to electronics and are big, heavy and expensive > > to ship if you don't find one locally. > > > > Problem is these inexpensive service-grade tools are not that accurate. > > Calibrate it against a digital AM radio with PLL tuning until you feel like > > buying a frequency counter. This will teach you how: > > http://www.radioremembered.org/tips.htm#sigcal > > > > If you have this, a multimeter and a good soldering tool (and the usual > > selection of hand tools and a well lit bench to work on) you're ready to > > start working on radios. You can keep buying equipment as your budget, > > knowledge and inclination allow. > > > > G/L > > -p. > > > > -- > > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > > The old Precision E200 series isn't a bad choice, and I've bought > them for as little as $5. the last one was free from the estate of a > mechanical engineer who used to live next door. The schematics are > available on BAMA for them, as well. The other B+K 970 may still be there on eBay (look for all the foam dripping from your monitor and you might find it) and mine was a total of $29 Article: 341329 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "terry" Subject: Re: Unusual output stages Date: 2 Sep 2006 00:45:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1157183126.649648.154100@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <44f73c9d$0$4521$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> There is a circuit on a 1962 addendum page of an old Sylvania tube book here concerning 7754 and 7695 tubes, referred to as 'Single ended Push-Pull'. It 'sort of' looks like two tetrodes in series. The item also refers to 'Transformerless operation'. It sounds somewhat like what has been already mentioned on this thread. . I can scan and post if anyone wishes. Terry. Article: 341330 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "terry" Subject: Re: Unusual output stages Date: 2 Sep 2006 00:54:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1157183698.555355.311830@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <44f73c9d$0$4521$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Mark Oppat wrote: > One that drove me nuts once was a moral reciever .................... . Hey, Mark? If a 'moral' receiver did that what would be result of an 'immoral' one. But I joke. :-) :-) Regards. Terry PS. I find I can never spell 'receiver' correctly first, or even second time; I always seem to put in an extra 'e' and it comes out 'receiever'. Oops, I did it again! Sometimes my spell-check will catch it other times it doesn't. Article: 341331 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Zenith Console Stereo SF2580 Date: 2 Sep 2006 01:37:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1157186223.236173.203090@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1157102792.759192.276860@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Bill Cohn wrote: > Gerry, > > The tube you want to check is the 12AT7. There are two of them in the > front end of this tuner one is used for both AM and FM and the other is > used just for the FM side. Swap them and see what happens. It very > likely the problem is not a tube but another problem in the chassis like > bad capacitors or a bad IF transformer. > > Good Luck, > > Bill Cohn Ahh - thanks Bill. With Ernesto here, I haven't been able to go out in the shed to look and see what all tubes were near the 'front end'. I have to unload half the shed to get to it. However, I have already swapped the 12AT7s out, but since those are used, one of them could be bad as well. I still have a feeling that it's probably a capacitor, as I said in my initial post. I hope it isn't an IF transformer - I know nothing about them, how to replace them, or even if it's possible to. Not even sure what they look like. Would that be one of those tall, metal square things between the tubes? Well, no point in worrying about it just yet until I can swap out those tubes a couple times. Anyway - thanks again for clarifying which tubes to look at. Gerry Article: 341332 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Test Equipment Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:45:38 GMT We just had a discussion about this on the binaries (alt.binaries.pictures.radio). Someone posted a photo of his bench, and most of the test equipment on it was Eico -- and made for an impressive bench! Eico products are classroom grade, to be sure. They are inexpensive, they are not necessarily accurate, and they do very little for snob appeal when trying to impress your friends. However for radio work they are about as effective as you can get. They are simple and easy to use, they are rugged, and they perform their intended task very well. Plus, they are common as dirt, so you can usually pick one up for next to nothing at a swap meet or on eBay. Three of the products which in my opinion really shine are the signal generator, signal tracer, and capacitance bridge. Now -- regarding what to buy for a startup bench, first and foremost should be a meter. There are lots of meters out there -- heck, I think you can buy a new digital at Harbor Freight for something like $5. Personally I like to have both a digital AND an analog VTVM. As for the VTVM's, Heathkit has a few decent ones out, the RCA Senior VoltOhmist is a good one, as is the B&K (forget the model number). As for signal generators, Heathkit has a few out there, but in my opinion -- in the inexpensive-but-effective category, the Eico is hard to beat. As for signal tracers, Eico has a good tube type and a solid state version -- I personally use the solid state. The tube version is probably a little better, but the advantage of the solid state one is that I usually only use it for a few seconds at a time, and I hate to have to keep waiting for it to warm up. I don't leave it on because I can't stand the continual buzzing and humming of the test leads hanging. As for other brands, I'm not familiar with them but I'm sure there are several that do the job. It's only an amp and a speaker, so you could make one from a portable radio simply by soldering a test lead to the volume control. For RF stick a diode in there. If it runs on AC, make sure it's isolated. About the only other pieces of test equipment I can think of would be either a power supply or isolation transformer/variac. I have two power supplies (I work on car radios). One provides 6 volts, 12 volts, or anywhere in that range, up to 10 amps. The other is a Heathkit, I think IP-17, that provides B+ of zero to 400 volts, and also filament voltages. My method of troubleshooting car radios is to remove the vibrator and rectifier, and feed it with B+ to see if it draws current. Then I can determine if it's safe to use the vibrator and rectifier. On home radios you can do similar, or a favorite among many is to plug it into a variac and bring the voltage up slowly -- and watch the current. You need an isolation transformer if you work on transformerless AC radios. As for other equipment, there are such things as oscilloscopes which can break your bank only to find you won't use them much. I've got a gorgeous 100mHz dual trace, and only recently I turned it on just to see if it still works -- it's been years since I last used it. Same with frequency counter -- though less expensive than a scope, it's something that for me just takes up space. If you use them fine, but for old radio work you don't need them. One "specialty" piece that I DO use a lot is an inductance meter. I use it to precisely measure the inductance range of tuning coils on car radios, mainly for conversion purposes. It measures to a tenth of a microhenry. If you should have the need for one of these, it appears good LCR meters are suddenly popping up out of nowhere. But again, determine the need. Hope this helps. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Paul" wrote in message news:Xns9831F26C37EAFnospamallnet@24.70.95.211... > Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of getting a > signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a good deal > or is there a cheaper alternative? > > Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? > > > Paul Article: 341333 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Test Equipment Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 08:55:01 GMT By the way- to add to my last message, I need to make a clarification to you or anyone who is not "seasoned" in radio work. When I mention Eico, Heathkit, or many of the other brands, don't go looking through your Mouser catalog to try and locate the latest models -- most of these models, and even the brands themselves, are long gone. However unlike cars and computers, these pieces are long lasting, and you'll find plenty of these at swap meets. eBay, or probably even at electronics stores that sell surplus. Very little of what I have was purchased new. Of that, I purchased it 30 years ago and still have it. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:SwbKg.486$%75.284@trnddc05... > We just had a discussion about this on the binaries > (alt.binaries.pictures.radio). Someone posted a photo of his bench, and > most of the test equipment on it was Eico -- and made for an impressive > bench! > > Eico products are classroom grade, to be sure. They are inexpensive, they > are not necessarily accurate, and they do very little for snob appeal when > trying to impress your friends. However for radio work they are about as > effective as you can get. They are simple and easy to use, they are > rugged, and they perform their intended task very well. Plus, they are > common as dirt, so you can usually pick one up for next to nothing at a > swap meet or on eBay. > > Three of the products which in my opinion really shine are the signal > generator, signal tracer, and capacitance bridge. > > Now -- regarding what to buy for a startup bench, first and foremost > should be a meter. There are lots of meters out there -- heck, I think > you can buy a new digital at Harbor Freight for something like $5. > Personally I like to have both a digital AND an analog VTVM. As for the > VTVM's, Heathkit has a few decent ones out, the RCA Senior VoltOhmist is a > good one, as is the B&K (forget the model number). As for signal > generators, Heathkit has a few out there, but in my opinion -- in the > inexpensive-but-effective category, the Eico is hard to beat. As for > signal tracers, Eico has a good tube type and a solid state version -- I > personally use the solid state. The tube version is probably a little > better, but the advantage of the solid state one is that I usually only > use it for a few seconds at a time, and I hate to have to keep waiting for > it to warm up. I don't leave it on because I can't stand the continual > buzzing and humming of the test leads hanging. As for other brands, I'm > not familiar with them but I'm sure there are several that do the job. > It's only an amp and a speaker, so you could make one from a portable > radio simply by soldering a test lead to the volume control. For RF stick > a diode in there. > If it runs on AC, make sure it's isolated. > > About the only other pieces of test equipment I can think of would be > either a power supply or isolation transformer/variac. I have two power > supplies (I work on car radios). One provides 6 volts, 12 volts, or > anywhere in that range, up to 10 amps. The other is a Heathkit, I think > IP-17, that provides B+ of zero to 400 volts, and also filament voltages. > My method of troubleshooting car radios is to remove the vibrator and > rectifier, and feed it with B+ to see if it draws current. Then I can > determine if it's safe to use the vibrator and rectifier. On home radios > you can do similar, or a favorite among many is to plug it into a variac > and bring the voltage up slowly -- and watch the current. You need an > isolation transformer if you work on transformerless AC radios. > > As for other equipment, there are such things as oscilloscopes which can > break your bank only to find you won't use them much. I've got a gorgeous > 100mHz dual trace, and only recently I turned it on just to see if it > still works -- it's been years since I last used it. Same with frequency > counter -- though less expensive than a scope, it's something that for me > just takes up space. If you use them fine, but for old radio work you > don't need them. > > One "specialty" piece that I DO use a lot is an inductance meter. I use > it to precisely measure the inductance range of tuning coils on car > radios, mainly for conversion purposes. It measures to a tenth of a > microhenry. If you should have the need for one of these, it appears good > LCR meters are suddenly popping up out of nowhere. But again, determine > the need. > > Hope this helps. > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > "Paul" wrote in message > news:Xns9831F26C37EAFnospamallnet@24.70.95.211... >> Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of getting a >> signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a good deal >> or is there a cheaper alternative? >> >> Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? >> >> >> Paul > > Article: 341334 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gkb" References: <44f7526f$0$8951$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Subject: Re: Nice find, I think...... Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:11:44 -0400 Message-ID: Appreciate all the input. I am familiar with the 6X5 tube and will be one of the things I will correct. First thing I did when I got it into the shop was cut the line cord of it. Someone emailed me and already offered $150.00, as is, plus the shipping. I had to say no. Just want to add this "black face" to my collection. -- Regards, Gary...WZ1M "Phil Nelson" wrote in message news:tp6dnVpC97SNGWXZnZ2dnUVZ_rWdnZ2d@giganews.com... > For $20, I'd call that a steal. Good score! > > Regarding 6X5 rectifiers, if you search the Google archives of this group at > the following URL, you'll find much wisdom about these tubes and how to deal > with them. Search for something like "6X5 rectifier." > > http://groups.google.com/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono?hl=en > > Regards, > > Phil Nelson > Phil's Old Radios > http://antiqueradio.org/index.html > > Article: 341335 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: 2 Sep 2006 05:02:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1157198555.316906.82210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Buck Frobisher wrote: > wrote in message > news:1157164222.648478.152780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Bleach (Javex) doesn't touch it. Maybe with the 0000 steel wool I have > > been using I may have polish the wood. > > > > The caps came in yesterday for this radio and my RCA 8K-1 and we have a > > wet weekend coming up so I get to play :) > > > > Brian > > > > Any chance you can try posting a few pictures, close-ups of the are you are > concerned with, plus a sampling of the adjacent wood to compare? > > You can post them on NEWS:alt.binaries.pictures.radio I don't have access to a binaries supported newsgroup so below in a link to a webpage with a couple of pictures showing the darker shiney areas that I can't seem to get rid of.. http://www.geocities.com/amyottepinball/cgeh-70.html Brian Article: 341336 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1156878453.457191.10130@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith Console Stereo SF2580 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 12:56:42 GMT Gerry, I followed this thread at first, then only recently I read the rest of the messages. I've got some comments: First, when it comes to (most) tube types, the basic convention goes like this -- the first digit (numerical) is the filament voltage, the next one or two digits (alpha) designate the type, and the third/fourth digit (numeric) designates the number of elements inside the tube. So a 6AU6 has a 6 volt filament and 6 elements. A 12AU6 is the same tube except it is designed to run on 12 volts. Any suffixes generally don't affect the tube type; they usually correspond to a design change, such as a slightly smaller glass envelope or maybe a heater that warms up faster. For replacement purposes, a 6AU6, 6AU6A, or 6AU6WA are really the same thing. With older octal types the changes are a little more apparent. Some tubes with no suffix are metal; with a "G" they are glass type with a shoulder; and a GT they are smaller glass. Again, they are (usually) the same. I'm mentioning this because nobody else has chimed in -- but a replacement 6AU6A is indeed a correct type. As for swapping tubes, this is a very good way to troubleshoot. Don't worry that the tubes are "used", half the time the "new" ones you buy from someone are used anyway. Tube testers are a great way to determine if a tube is good or weak; but substitution is better, as occasionally a tube will test good but give you problems in a circuit. So try swapping those 12AT7's, and see if the problem clears up or changes. Now -- you were asking if the square cans are the IF's -- the answer is yes. These are interstage transformers, and tuned to an intermediate frequency (usually 455kHz for AM, 10.7 mHz for FM). They are adjustable via either moving the slugs inside (hole in the top and another in the bottom) or with trimmer capacitors (usually older sets, two screwdriver adjustments in the top). These adjustments generally don't move, and should normally be left alone. If the radio works, even intermittently, IF adjustment is not your problem. So -- where do we go from here? If this radio plays perfectly when cold, and cuts out after a minute or two, there's another tool in your arsenal that can help -- freeze spray. With the radio chassis easily accessible, turn the radio on and wait for it to cut out. Then spray some of the components in the FM front end area -- these components will immediately get cold. (Don't let the spray get on the tubes or they will disintegrate!) Chances are the radio will suddenly start playing again -- if so, wait again for it to cut out, and start spraying individual components until the set plays again. If freezing a certain capacitor suddenly fixes it, you can bet that's your culprit. Please keep us informed of your progress. It looks like this radio is becoming a learning experience, which is wonderful. Keep at it and you'll find it -- and you'll feel great when you do! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com wrote in message news:1156878453.457191.10130@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > Picked up a Zenith Console Stereo Sunday for a whopping $25. Model > number is SF2580. About 5 feet long, Early American style maple > cabinet, circa 1959. Has the V-M "Cobra-Matic" turntable. Weighs > around 200 lbs. Everything works fine except for FM, which only works > faintly when you first turn it on, then fades away. I'm guessing a bad > capacitor. > > Where can I get a schematic? A Google search has turned up absolutely > nothing at all - literally. Almost as if they didn't exist. Anyone > know of a free or *affordable* source for a schematic for this monster? > Anywho, I can't find any info at all on this one... Can't even find a > Sam's Photofact on eBay for this one. Did they go by chassis number > rather than model number??? > > Gerry > Article: 341337 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: rodsievers@gmail.com Subject: Transoceanic battery plug Date: 2 Sep 2006 06:19:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1157203146.110641.163190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Does anyone know where I can get a battery plug like the ones used on the Trans Oceanics? I'm talking the radio side here, not the battery side. I've got a radio that's missing the plug. The wires are there, but no plug. Thanks for your help. Article: 341338 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44F985F0.90608@nowhere.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:24:00 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Test Equipment References: Go to eBay and get what used to be a top of the line generator but is now preceded by more expensive professional grade models from Wavetek. However, this is still the best investment. Take a look at: (item 250023242519) http://cgi.ebay.com/Wavetek-3000-200B-Signal-Generator_W0QQitemZ250023242519QQihZ015QQcategoryZ97198QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem (beware of word wrap in the URL) This is not my auction nor am I affiliated with it. I bought a similar Wavetek synthesizer/generator years ago and used it for all of my receiver measurements and calibration requirements. Good luck! --Bill Paul wrote: > Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of getting a > signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a good deal > or is there a cheaper alternative? > > Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? > > > Paul Article: 341339 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 09:40:52 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: <06edneIeUfkKFWTZnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com> amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > If there is such a thing... > > What radio would be on anyones want list? > > Brian > This question comes up from time to time. It's actually interesting to see different answers from folks interested in different types of radios. As asked, it's a bit too open ended to pin the answer down to one particular radio. I usualy interpret the question as "What's the most desireable (expensive?) pre-war AC radio" These are usually the radios that non-collectors think of when speaking of "radios". Of that particular group, I would have to say the Zenith 1000Z and/or the Sparton Nocturn. They are not, IMHO, good looking radios and I don't lust after them. Given the typical prices they bring I certainly wouldn't pass them up cheap at a yard sale. Other types of radios have their own "must haves" and "holy grails". Just for the heck of it, lets break it down into a few loose categories and see what collectors of the different types have to say: Spark receivers- Crystal sets- 20s battery sets- Early TRF AC sets, up to about 1931- 1932 and later (superhet) table radios- 1932 and later (superhet) consoles- 30s plastic sets (bakelite, catalin, etc) 40s and later plastics- Portable radios- Communications receivers- Geez, that's harder than it seems at first glance. Each of these could be divided into different subsets. Then there's the question of what makes a radio desireable: price, rarity, media exposure, cabinet design, chassis design, ...... Article: 341340 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:15:08 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Re: RCA automobile 45 changer? References: Message-ID: Pin Geek wrote: > Hi all, > A while back on Ebay I saw a flyer with Steve Allen on it for some kind of > RCA 45 record changer for your car. I think there was just one model made > and they scrapped it. Well, a buddy of mine wants one for a vintage car he > is restoring. Do these exist anywhere? Any leads on one would be most > greatly appreciated. I think dead or alive is acceptable. Are they hard to > repair? > > Any leads, PLEASE email me at pingeek@pingeek.com > > Thanks, > Josh > http://www.pingeek.com > Get your pinball show dvds here: > http://www.thepinballshow.com > > > They come up on Ebay from time to time. I know where there are 2 ARC (not RCA) units sitting in a dusty garage and the owner, my Aunt, won't part with them. One was installed in her 64 Impala Cionvertible and the other was in another relatives 67 Olds Delmont. Her brother had a different looking unit in his 64 Buick Wildcat that may also be tucked away in that garage. The ARC units were chromed and had a changer that played the records upside down. The one in the Buick was mostly black IIRC. Maybe a different model of the chrome units? One of my fondest memories of childhood is cruising around Huntington, WV in that Impala, sitting on the center armrest, listening to Tammy Wynette, George Jones and the like on the 45 player, with the top down and the wind blowing through my flat top haircut ;) I don't recall any skipping records, but I'm sure that was a problem with these players. They were a cool add-on at the time. As I recall, the player was hard wired to the car radios volume control. Article: 341341 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: <8a3jf2dvbd79opdhrjkj0cmjuk0hsja4vv@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Ebay Bidding Question Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 14:10:49 GMT "Ish" wrote in message news:8a3jf2dvbd79opdhrjkj0cmjuk0hsja4vv@4ax.com... > Can a seller cancel an auction after bids have been placed on an item? > > http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=290023463648 > > I called the seller, and he stated that it still showed "0" bids when > he cancelled the auction. He stated that he finally saw the item (he > was selling for a friend) and that it was too rusty. No problem. > > But I still wonder if a seller can cancel an auction at any time. > If so, that stinks. > > Ish Sellers can end an auction early if there are more than 12 hours remaining in the auction, which in this case there were. http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/end_early.html jim menning Article: 341342 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 10:18:46 -0400 From: Tom Adkins Subject: Re: RCA automobile 45 changer? References: Message-ID: Just an added note, I've always suspected that these were mechanically similar to the RCA 45 players that were common then. If so, good cartridges may be hard to come by along with the usual rubber parts. Article: 341343 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "TopCat" Subject: ARF down this morning? Date: 2 Sep 2006 07:17:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1157206621.124153.179490@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> I am having trouble getting to ARF this morning. I just installed the latest Java so I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it. Anybody else having trouble accessing antiqueradios.com ? Article: 341344 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 09:13:27 -0500 Message-ID: <17727-44F99187-621@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157073613.816562.310720@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> New York's mental health system? y'all ought to see the mental cases we have here in Mississippi government. cuhulin Article: 341345 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 09:22:20 -0500 Message-ID: <17727-44F9939C-622@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157178604.074488.220340@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Leave??? Back in the 1950's,little Susie Connerly (she was about five years old) girl next door.She would be out playing with us crazy kids.Sometimes she would get pod.She would say,,,, I am going home,but I will be back! cuhulin Article: 341346 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 07:50:31 -0700 Message-ID: <44f99a38$0$96210$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Thats easy. Its the radio I don't have yet. A Stratosphere would top my list, along with some of the more desireable wireless stuff (IP-500, DeForest Interpanel, etc). Steve wrote in message news:1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > If there is such a thing... > > What radio would be on anyones want list? > > Brian > Article: 341347 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anti-Dinius" Subject: Re: Belleek Neptune cups and saucers for sale Date: 2 Sep 2006 08:07:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1157209643.740408.166860@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1157033709_5975@sp6iad.superfeed.net> Steven wrote: > No. Food Stamps are not physical coupons anymore and haven't been for > years. They are accessed by a swipe card with a PIN, like an ATM or > debit card. 1970 happened in 1970. Please update your calendar. You can > download better stereotypes now. Why would I know that? If I want an update on the latest in food stamp technology I'll ask you. I'm sure you'll be on the cutting edge for a very long time. Your feeble attempt to slam me prompted this. You should have just answered the question. Article: 341348 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Unusual output stages Date: 2 Sep 2006 08:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1157211585.176965.250130@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <44f73c9d$0$4521$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> Terry, that does sound strange. Do post the schematic/description, please! Neil S. terry wrote: > There is a circuit on a 1962 addendum page of an old Sylvania tube book > here concerning 7754 and 7695 tubes, referred to as 'Single ended > Push-Pull'. > > It 'sort of' looks like two tetrodes in series. The item also refers to > 'Transformerless operation'. > > It sounds somewhat like what has been already mentioned on this > thread. > . > I can scan and post if anyone wishes. > > Terry. Article: 341349 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Speak now, or forever hold your pieces Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:46:16 GMT This past week I've been doing a tremendous amount of work to my website -- adding, refining, etc. Probably the most notable improvement is the vibrator page, with charts for every type solid state vibrator that's available. That one took a few hours! The single biggest thing I still need to do is finish off the "links" and "parts/accessories" pages, and this is where I need your help. Those of you who want to offer knobs, speakers, restoration services (yes, home radios), and other offerings, please give me your URL's! Also if you have information of various radios, or would like to show off your collections, send me those too! Mark Oppat, that includes you! You're the first person I thought of, but I don't know your URL. Please e-mail me directly at caradio, at verizon, dot net. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 341350 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Ken Doyle" References: Subject: Re: RCA automobile 45 changer? Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:14:58 -0400 Message-ID: The car changers use a common Astatic plug-in cartridge. The turntable ball-bearing, which is subject to rust, is the same as the RP190 uses. The idler wheel can be rebuilt by the usual sources. The toughest part is the lousy brush motor, it has brushes the size of pencil lead and windings that often turn green. Ken D. "Tom Adkins" wrote in message news:aOednSYCCpzkDGTZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Just an added note, > I've always suspected that these were mechanically similar to the RCA 45 players > that were common then. If so, good cartridges may be hard to come by along with the > usual rubber parts. Article: 341351 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Ken Doyle" References: <1157206621.124153.179490@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: ARF down this morning? Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:18:39 -0400 Message-ID: It's raining in much of the country this morning, ARF never works well when it's busy. Ken D. "TopCat" wrote in message news:1157206621.124153.179490@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > I am having trouble getting to ARF this morning. I just installed the > latest Java so I'm wondering if that has anything to do with it. > > Anybody else having trouble accessing antiqueradios.com ? > Article: 341352 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Ethincal question at rec.radio.shortwave Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:18:46 -0500 Message-ID: <10489-44F9AEE6-571@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> Well,y'all get me driff. cuhulin Article: 341353 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: gregoire@nortelnetworks.com Subject: FA: top of the line Canadian DeForest Crosley console (not mine) Date: 2 Sep 2006 09:31:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1157214681.644175.198630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> FYI, on eBay (not mine!) Top of the line DeForest Crosley console (I think), model 'Buckingham', 11-tube. Year is 1935/36. Separate chassis for power supply. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120025798195&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 Has RF front-end tube, variable IF, push-pull 6F6 outputs, tuning indicator lamp and good sounding 12'' speaker... Diagram is available in 'Resources' of www.nostalgiaair.org I already have one such project... Heck, I would even buy this 2nd one if I were closer, as my chassis was butchered by one of the prior owner... Good luck, Cheers, - Sylvain in Ottawa, Canada. Article: 341354 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: d Subject: Re: Transoceanic battery plug References: <1157203146.110641.163190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:31:27 GMT Like which TO model? Article: 341355 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Another eBay marketing ploy? Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:24:49 -0500 Message-ID: <10489-44F9B051-572@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: Peach is the color of,,,,,, Nawwwww,I wont say that one either. cuhulin Article: 341356 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: The "Clean Bench Challenge" is underway! Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 11:28:19 -0500 Message-ID: <10489-44F9B123-573@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: A dirty all messed up bench is a good bench. cuhulin Article: 341357 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: d Subject: Re: My Personal Radio Collection References: Message-ID: <%qiKg.31361$8j3.6580@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:37:15 GMT Impressive. Of all of the radios there, how many are fully operational? I'm just curious if you've been on a recapping spree for the last few decades. : ) Dave McClellan wrote: > Well, here's another collection: > http://mcclellans.com/NewRadiosPage.htm > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:fNnJg.5414$p23.3849@trnddc04... >> While many of you are busy cleaning your benches and taking photos, I've >> decided to start another thread. This one is not in the binaries, but on > my >> website. As promised long ago, I've set up a page devoted to my personal >> radio collection. >> >> Compared to the thousands of valuable sets owned by some others on this >> list, it's certainly not much. However I indeed enjoy it, and would like > to >> share it with others. >> >> You can go directly to the page by clicking here: >> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/caradio/collection.htm >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com >> >> > > Article: 341358 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: top of the line Canadian DeForest Crosley console (not mine) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:21:34 -0400 Message-ID: <12fjfcv3uglrldc@corp.supernews.com> References: <1157214681.644175.198630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Paging Mark O.:) John H. Article: 341359 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Barry" References: <44F985F0.90608@nowhere.net> Subject: Re: Test Equipment Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:37:49 -0500 Message-ID: "Bill" wrote in message news:44F985F0.90608@nowhere.net... > Go to eBay and get what used to be a top of the line generator but is > now preceded by more expensive professional grade models from Wavetek. > However, this is still the best investment. > > Take a look at: (item 250023242519) > http://cgi.ebay.com/Wavetek-3000-200B-Signal-Generator_W0QQitemZ250023242519 QQihZ015QQcategoryZ97198QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > (beware of word wrap in the URL) > > This is not my auction nor am I affiliated with it. I bought a similar > Wavetek synthesizer/generator years ago and used it for all of my > receiver measurements and calibration requirements. > > Good luck! > --Bill > > Paul wrote: > > Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of getting a > > signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a good deal > > or is there a cheaper alternative? > > > > Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? > > > > > > Paul > I would think the radio restorer would want something that will output IF frequencies (e.g. 455kHz.). Apparently this one only goes down to 1mHz. It might not be necessary in some alighnments, but it is handy in others. Barry - N4BUQ Article: 341360 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 17:32:34 GMT Hi! > What radio would be on anyones want list? I don't know about everyone's want list, but I'd like to see a nice table radio with an FM band on it. Kind of like the design of http://greyghost.dyndns.org/radiocollection/ge226.htm, but with the already mentioned addition of FM. (Can you tell I don't yet have any low power AM transmitters?) William Article: 341361 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: Subject: Re: Test Equipment Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:46:19 -0400 Message-ID: for a sig gen, the RCA models are better than the Heathkit, Eico, B&K or whatever. Lower level harmonics, it seems. Use a digital radio for freq checks. I have a multi-band mini cheapo Sangean for that. Mark Oppat "Paul" wrote in message news:Xns9831F26C37EAFnospamallnet@24.70.95.211... > Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of getting a > signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a good deal > or is there a cheaper alternative? > > Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? > > > Paul > Article: 341362 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:49:28 -0400 Message-ID: The Sparton Nocturne and Zenith Stratosphere are probably the two at the top of the list. The Sparton is not a bad performer, by the way! Its 11 tubes IIRC, and 4 bands. My buddy has the same chassis in a wood cabinet... quite a set. My quest is for the 24 tube Lafayette (made by Garod, we think) because I like obscure, higher performance radios. Mark Oppat wrote in message news:1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > If there is such a thing... > > What radio would be on anyones want list? > > Brian > > Article: 341363 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carl WA1KPD" References: <8bmdnUwgH7a97GrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net> Subject: Re: HELP! NEED INFO......Grebe Snycrophase Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:58:50 -0400 Message-ID: Bruce, Hi. I have one I am looking to sell. Bought it off the bay about 4 years ago and have not done a thing with it. It is all there and in good condition. Not working but I have not done any diagnosis. Just too many other projects. If you are interested I can send you pics of it. You can check my feedback under "cnord' on ebay Best to reply to chnord@comcast.net -- Carl WA1KPD Visit My Boatanchor Collection at http://home.comcast.net/~chnord/wa1kpd.html "Bruce Mercer" wrote in message news:8bmdnUwgH7a97GrZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@sigecom.net... >I have wanted a Grebe Syncrophase for some time now. Would those in the >know check this out and give me some opinions as to what it should bring. >It's condition. It's hard to tell but the case looks awfully light in color >or is this an original finish. I did see a footprint of a capacitor and a >modern one sort of hanging in its' place. That's about all I could tell >from it. I don't have a clue as to its' value or what it should bring. (yes >I've read the recent threads) :-) I would appreciate the wisdom and >knowlege of the group on this one. About 23 hours to go. BTW...I recently >proclaimed I wasn't buying another single thing for a while other than >maybe a record or two. So here I go again. (but it IS small) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=170022954549&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=007 > > Thanks, > Bruce > Article: 341364 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oxer@msu.edu Subject: Stromberg Carlson Model 240 console Date: 2 Sep 2006 11:03:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1157220206.324130.286850@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Hello to all, Is anyone interested in a Stromberg Carlson 240? Radio in fair condition. Located near Lansing, MI. Thanks. Ed, W8EO Article: 341365 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: My Personal Radio Collection Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 13:26:08 -0500 Message-ID: <16445-44F9CCC0-568@storefull-3253.bay.webtv.net> References: <%qiKg.31361$8j3.6580@twister.nyroc.rr.com> The weather has cooled off a right smart here.Doggy,she has buried herself down under my leggs,as usual.Keeping warm. cuhulin Article: 341366 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Stromberg Carlson Model 240 console Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 14:44:19 -0400 Message-ID: <12fjk84bgttcn74@corp.supernews.com> References: <1157220206.324130.286850@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> A LOT of driving in your future Mark! John H. Article: 341367 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: rodsievers@gmail.com Subject: Re: Transoceanic battery plug Date: 2 Sep 2006 12:32:32 -0700 Message-ID: <1157225552.135234.59880@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1157203146.110641.163190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> d wrote: > Like which TO model? Like, does it matter? If you know were I can get the piece for a particular model, why don't you just post it here? As far as I know, they're all the same. If not, I'm sure you'll correct me. Article: 341368 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Message-ID: <44F9DDD0.7040900@nowhere.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:38:56 -0400 From: Bill Subject: Re: Test Equipment References: <44F985F0.90608@nowhere.net> Yep..you're right. The one I have is an older model that does go down through 455 KHz. Didn't fully look at the auction I quoted...I couldn't even find my model in the past or present Wavetek auctions. But they're still a great synthesizers and were top of the line in their day...long time ago. Barry wrote: > "Bill" wrote in message > news:44F985F0.90608@nowhere.net... > >>Go to eBay and get what used to be a top of the line generator but is >>now preceded by more expensive professional grade models from Wavetek. >>However, this is still the best investment. >> >>Take a look at: (item 250023242519) >> > > http://cgi.ebay.com/Wavetek-3000-200B-Signal-Generator_W0QQitemZ250023242519 > QQihZ015QQcategoryZ97198QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > >>(beware of word wrap in the URL) >> >>This is not my auction nor am I affiliated with it. I bought a similar >>Wavetek synthesizer/generator years ago and used it for all of my >>receiver measurements and calibration requirements. >> >>Good luck! >>--Bill >> >>Paul wrote: >> >>>Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of getting a >>>signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a good deal >>>or is there a cheaper alternative? >>> >>>Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? >>> >>> >>>Paul >> > > I would think the radio restorer would want something that will output IF > frequencies (e.g. 455kHz.). Apparently this one only goes down to 1mHz. It > might not be necessary in some alighnments, but it is handy in others. > > Barry - N4BUQ > > Article: 341369 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" Subject: homebrew test equipment.. what do you have and what do you use. Message-ID: <56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10> Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:38:44 -0700 A recent tread got me thinking about some of my homebrew test equipment. I've got an adjustable soldering station that was built from a light dimmer and an outlet. Also, I have a homebrew variac, with vintage meters (but I put in connections for a digital meter) anyone else???? bob in phx Article: 341370 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" Subject: any good site with step by step repairs of an older turntable Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:52:27 -0700 Ive got a wards airline console with a turntable in its belly. I dont know much about turntables, but I would like to try and restore this one. Does anyone know of a website that shows turntable repair (like Phil's site does!!) thanks Bob in phx Article: 341371 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "L." References: <56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10> Subject: Re: homebrew test equipment.. what do you have and what do you use. Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 15:55:46 -0400 Message-ID: <44f9e1b8$0$10211$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Bob in Phx" wrote in message news:56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10... >A recent tread got me thinking about some of my homebrew test equipment. > > I've got an adjustable soldering station that was built from a light > dimmer and an outlet. > > Also, I have a homebrew variac, with vintage meters (but I put in > connections for a digital meter) > > anyone else???? > > bob in phx > My stuff is more oriented to 2 way radio testing but I've built a few things - modified for future expansion if I so choose - and they've saved me HOURS of time. A Crystal tester, a very sensitive Field strength meter which can be coupled right to the circuit - which will read very small amounts of RF which wouldn't even tickle a Wattmeter of normal design - to align stages quicker - especially if trying to modify radios to another frequency. And a couple other items........... Put only like $10 in parts in any one of them, made my own PC boards to boot. Speaking of this sort of thing, I am open to ideas for "smaller" items - easy to build. Our "radio club" is desiring to do some building and some of what "I" may think of - may not be for them - so I'm open to ideas to present to them. We're not "ALL" going to build the same thing - just one item out of each list which the individual feels most usable to them... I'm always up to building something of value to use on the bench. Most of my gear when I started, was Eico or something similar - now a lot of it is commercial. But the "kit" stuff got me going and where I am today. The homebrew - got me even further! As they say - "Necessity is the mother of invention". If you need it and don't have it or can't get it, you make it. L. Article: 341372 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: Subject: Re: Test Equipment Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:59:02 GMT "Paul" > Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of getting a > signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a good deal > or is there a cheaper alternative? > > Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? > > > Paul > Hickok 288X Universal Signal Generator, Quartz Controlled +: AM, FM Sweep, Audio, Output meter, great stability, low ebay pricing; -: Large and Heavy. -- Daniele http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 341373 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Message-ID: <0vlKg.92518$_J1.792078@twister2.libero.it> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:06:20 GMT > What radio would be on anyones want list? EH Scott Philharmonic 37 Zenith Stratosphere ...in december i will try again with Santa... -- Daniele http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 341374 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Robert Sherrod Subject: Re: Crosley "Fiver".... References: <%7KJg.21396$aJ.6453@attbi_s21> <44f7791d$0$3187$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> Message-ID: <4DlKg.166246$1i1.40093@attbi_s72> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:14:56 GMT Martin Crossley wrote: > Robert Sherrod wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> Well I returned the Hallicrafters S-120 to its owner and he had >> another radio waiting. The radio is a Crosley "Fiver", chassis 517 >> and cabinet 6K, which has been in his family for a long time. The >> cabinet is in surprisingly good shape but the grill cloth is torn. >> Can someone direct me to a source for the service information >> (schematic, alignment procedure, etc) and replacement grill cloth? >> >> Also, I would like to add a fuse(s) to this set as I did on the S-120, >> but this is the first transformer set restoration. Any tips, >> recommendations or procedures will be welcome as always. >> >> Any help will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bobby >> KC9IHK > > Hello Bobby, > Service data can be found on Nostalgiaair: > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/resources/375/M0003375.htm > A T500mA fuse in the mains input should suit. > And a 3-core mains lead so the chassis can be connected to the protective > earth/ ground and be safe to touch. > I have a couple of these sets with very suspect mains transformers. > They run very hot and stink at 105V 50Hz with the 5Y3 rectifier removed, > whereas the others will run the whole radio at 115V 50HZ and only become > warm. > Further details from last year can be found here, courtesy of Google: > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/browse_thread/thread/d832fa0ee947470f/ce32ae221e384f02?lnk=st&q=crosley+517+transformer&rnum=1&hl=en#ce32ae221e384f02 > which reminds me that a few output transformers had been replaced decades > ago. > And a couple of speakers. > Apart from that, with heatshrink tubing over the frayed ends of the woven > cotton covered wires, the usual replacement caps. and a touch up of the > alignment > they work nicely and look gorgeous. > Martin > G8UWM. > > Martin, Thanks for the information. I have found on the schematics three "flex resistors", 40, 350 and 60 ohms 1/2 watt. The 350 ohm flex resistor is open and needs to be replaced. These resistors look like a fabric sleeve with leads on each end. The one that is open has spiral pieces of resistance wire hanging out of the burnt and separated sleeve. Should these be replaced with equivalent wire wound, carbon comp or metal film resistors? Also, what is the best (safest) way to check the power and output transformers and field coil? One more item. Even though this is going to be a functional restoration, I want the radio to look like it stepped right out of the '30's at first glance. Therefore I am in need of three G envelope tubes: 6K6G, 6Q7G and 5Y3G. This, along with the disconnected electrolytics still on chassis, will give the radio a period look. Once again, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bobby Article: 341375 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10> Subject: Re: homebrew test equipment.. what do you have and what do you use. Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:19:18 GMT I've got one interesting little gizmo, and I'm probably the only one here that would use it. Since I do a lot of stereo conversions to AM car radios, I can use anything that makes these go easier and faster. One aspect of these is that the PCB is actually programmed to match the radio's tuner, specifically the oscillator coil. This is done by moving the tuner to the extreme high end, then extreme low end, then high, etc., until the PCB's memory is able to adapt and "learn" the tuner. On most radios this is easy. Just move the dial to the low end and set a pushbutton. Then set it to the high end and set a pushbutton. However some radios have a manual tuner, and a few have some really goofy means of tuning -- for example, many 50's Cadillacs don't have a tuning knob at all -- you have to use the selector bar. For programming these radios, or on some radios that refuse to set up for some reason, I have a test jig. It is simply a Delco radio pushbutton tuner, with clip leads soldered to both ends of the LO coil. If a PCB refuses to program, I can sub this tuner and try again -- if it "takes", then I know I have to check/modify the tuning coil itself. On radios with goofy tuning mechanisms, I physically move the tuner to the high end and measure the inductance. Then I move it to the low end and measure. On the Delco tuner, I move the dial to the point where the inductance measures exactly the same figures, and set pushbuttons. I can then program the radio using the tuning jig. When finished I solder in the radio's own tuner, check it, and I'm done! I've only had one radio whose tuner had a wider range than the jig. For that I used a spare tuning slug. I moved the tuner to the low end and measured it. Then I moved the tuner to the high end. I pushed the slug into the back of the coil, slowly until it measured the same as at the low end, then marked the slug. I then used the external slug to program the radio by moving it in to the mark, then out completely. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Bob in Phx" wrote in message news:56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10... >A recent tread got me thinking about some of my homebrew test equipment. > > I've got an adjustable soldering station that was built from a light > dimmer and an outlet. > > Also, I have a homebrew variac, with vintage meters (but I put in > connections for a digital meter) > > anyone else???? > > bob in phx > Article: 341376 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10> Subject: Re: homebrew test equipment.. what do you have and what do you use. Message-ID: <34mKg.494$5i7.315@newsreading01.news.tds.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 20:45:51 GMT "Bob in Phx" wrote in message news:56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10... >A recent tread got me thinking about some of my homebrew test equipment. TeraNews blackholed my first attempt at posting this, let's try again. I threw together this power supply tester to use on my bench. http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4894 The radio on my bench is never plugged in anywhere except this device. It gets its input from the secondary of my isolation transformer, it must have an AC ammeter connected, and it has a single outlet into which the unit under test is plugged. -p. Article: 341377 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Zenith Cube Radio Question Date: 2 Sep 2006 14:13:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1157231621.283437.303150@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Greetings, I'm working on a Zenith cube model 5R216. All seems to be going along well, however the volume control seems scratchy as heck. A cleaning wouldn't hurt, but how is it done? Are these pots able to be disassembled for servicing, or is there a possible opening to squirt cleaner inside? Your help and comments are appreciated. Thanks, GB Article: 341378 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ARF down this morning? Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 16:28:15 -0500 Message-ID: <10791-44F9F76F-544@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <44F999D0.6525911A@earthlink.net> Works ok for me. cuhulin Article: 341379 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" Subject: OT: EBAY: Morgan McMahon book $139+USD Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:50:31 GMT http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290022348915 I think I'll start selling all my old radio books in the UK. http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?sts=t&an=Morgan+McMahon&y=13&tn=vintage+radio&x=62 jim menning Article: 341380 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: 2 Sep 2006 14:57:54 -0700 Message-ID: <1157234274.464651.259400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1157140255.852288.125330@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Was it that bad? > cuhulin Yes. *cry* Hold me. ;-p -- steph Article: 341381 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 2 Sep 2006 14:59:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1157234357.009901.256560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Daniele wrote: > > > What radio would be on anyones want list? Philco 90 (settle for a 70) in fairly good cosmetic condition. I'll worry about the insides. Article: 341382 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Robert Sherrod Subject: Re: Zenith Cube Radio Question References: <1157231621.283437.303150@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:13:06 GMT Radio Gary, I use, as do many others, Caig DeoxIT D5 spray to clean potentiometers. I also follow up with CaiLube MCL (Moving Control Lubricant) to keep the control lubricated and operating smoothly. Many sources exist for Caig products, including Antique Electronic Supply, http://www.tubesandmore.com/, but I get mine straight from the source. Follow this link to Caig's website: http://www.caig.com/. Bobby KC9IHK RadioGary wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm working on a Zenith cube model 5R216. All seems to be going along > well, however the volume control seems scratchy as heck. A cleaning > wouldn't hurt, but how is it done? Are these pots able to be > disassembled for servicing, or is there a possible opening to squirt > cleaner inside? > > Your help and comments are appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > GB > Article: 341383 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Robert Sherrod Subject: Re: Crosley "Fiver".... References: <%7KJg.21396$aJ.6453@attbi_s21> <44f7791d$0$3187$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:15:10 GMT Martin Crossley wrote: > Robert Sherrod wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> >> Well I returned the Hallicrafters S-120 to its owner and he had >> another radio waiting. The radio is a Crosley "Fiver", chassis 517 >> and cabinet 6K, which has been in his family for a long time. The >> cabinet is in surprisingly good shape but the grill cloth is torn. >> Can someone direct me to a source for the service information >> (schematic, alignment procedure, etc) and replacement grill cloth? >> >> Also, I would like to add a fuse(s) to this set as I did on the S-120, >> but this is the first transformer set restoration. Any tips, >> recommendations or procedures will be welcome as always. >> >> Any help will be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bobby >> KC9IHK > > Hello Bobby, > Service data can be found on Nostalgiaair: > http://www.nostalgiaair.org/resources/375/M0003375.htm > A T500mA fuse in the mains input should suit. > And a 3-core mains lead so the chassis can be connected to the protective > earth/ ground and be safe to touch. > I have a couple of these sets with very suspect mains transformers. > They run very hot and stink at 105V 50Hz with the 5Y3 rectifier removed, > whereas the others will run the whole radio at 115V 50HZ and only become > warm. > Further details from last year can be found here, courtesy of Google: > http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.antiques.radio+phono/browse_thread/thread/d832fa0ee947470f/ce32ae221e384f02?lnk=st&q=crosley+517+transformer&rnum=1&hl=en#ce32ae221e384f02 > which reminds me that a few output transformers had been replaced decades > ago. > And a couple of speakers. > Apart from that, with heatshrink tubing over the frayed ends of the woven > cotton covered wires, the usual replacement caps. and a touch up of the > alignment > they work nicely and look gorgeous. > Martin > G8UWM. > > Martin, Thanks for the information. I have found on the schematics three "flex resistors", 40, 350 and 60 ohms 1/2 watt. The 350 ohm flex resistor is open and needs to be replaced. These resistors look like a fabric sleeve with leads on each end. The one that is open has spiral pieces of resistance wire hanging out of the burnt and separated sleeve. Should these be replaced with equivalent wire wound, carbon comp or metal film resistors? Also, what is the best (safest) way to check the power and output transformers and field coil? One more item. Even though this is going to be a functional restoration, I want the radio to look like it stepped right out of the '30's at first glance. Therefore I am in need of three G envelope tubes: 6K6G, 6Q7G and 5Y3G. This, along with the disconnected electrolytics still on chassis, will give the radio a period look. Once again, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Bobby Article: 341384 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: ARF down this morning? Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 17:03:04 -0500 Message-ID: <17727-44FA0DA8-682@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> References: Barbie Bassett, www.wlbt.com tv weather news gal wouldn't know if it was raining if it was raining on top of her head.She never gets the weather news on tv halfway right.I dont see why they keep her around there. cuhulin Article: 341385 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <1157203146.110641.163190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> <1157225552.135234.59880@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Transoceanic battery plug Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 19:15:07 -0400 Message-ID: <44fa1077$0$662$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> > Like, does it matter? If you know were I can get the piece for a > particular model, why don't you just post it here? As far as I know, > they're all the same. If not, I'm sure you'll correct me. > Sure does--if I remember correctly, the 7G's, and maybe the 8G's used a narrower shroud for their plugs. The later models used a fatter one. Every now and again, there's someone on eBay that has sells TO parts--keep an eye peeled for them. Bill Article: 341386 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Zenith Cube Radio Question References: <1157231621.283437.303150@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:28:00 -0400 Some pots have no openings for spraying cleaners. I carefully bend the tabs back and dis-asm the pot. Ken RadioGary wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm working on a Zenith cube model 5R216. All seems to be going along > well, however the volume control seems scratchy as heck. A cleaning > wouldn't hurt, but how is it done? Are these pots able to be > disassembled for servicing, or is there a possible opening to squirt > cleaner inside? > > Your help and comments are appreciated. > > > Thanks, > > GB > Article: 341387 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Ethincal question at rec.radio.shortwave Date: 2 Sep 2006 16:41:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1157240495.321411.104260@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <10489-44F9AEE6-571@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Well,y'all get me driff. > cuhulin Are there any? Well, maybe more ethics than rec.radio.cb... Article: 341388 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: ARF down this morning? Date: 2 Sep 2006 16:44:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1157240681.840013.163160@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: No barking in the neighborhood today, so you are correct 1/2 way. Article: 341389 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: The "Clean Bench Challenge" is underway! Date: 2 Sep 2006 16:46:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1157240818.656072.131650@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > A dirty all messed up bench is a good bench. > cuhulin I have to withdraw too : ) Article: 341390 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: 2 Sep 2006 16:49:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1157240974.600077.172410@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: <1157140255.852288.125330@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Stephanie Weil wrote: > cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > > Was it that bad? > > cuhulin > > Yes. *cry* > Hold me. > > ;-p > > -- > steph I'll take your word on that once I get a dictionary (wait, it's in here somewhere)? Article: 341391 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:40:59 -0500 Message-ID: <24427-44FA168B-695@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157234274.464651.259400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Ohhhhh myyyy,,,,,, cuhulin Article: 341392 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Martin" References: <%7KJg.21396$aJ.6453@attbi_s21> <44f7791d$0$3187$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> <4DlKg.166246$1i1.40093@attbi_s72> Subject: Re: Crosley "Fiver".... Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 01:32:41 +0100 Message-ID: <44fa22ab$0$2700$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net> "Robert Sherrod" wrote in message news:4DlKg.166246$1i1.40093@attbi_s72... > SNIP > Martin, > > Thanks for the information. I have found on the schematics three "flex > resistors", 40, 350 and 60 ohms 1/2 watt. The 350 ohm flex resistor is > open and needs to be replaced. These resistors look like a fabric sleeve > with leads on each end. The one that is open has spiral pieces of > resistance wire hanging out of the burnt and separated sleeve. Should > these be replaced with equivalent wire wound, carbon comp or metal film > resistors? > The 350R although rated at 1/2W is run close or slightly over. A modern 330R 1W or greater of any type or two 680R 1/2W in parallel should be fine. (It was changed to 275R in the later run) > Also, what is the best (safest) way to check the power and output > transformers and field coil? Resistance (well, continuity anyway) checks for all three. My method for checking mains transformer: ("Megger" primary to chassis for 1 minute first, if equipment is available) Power up with the 5Y3G removed, via a "dim-bulb" (60W lamp) No safety earth to chassis for this test.Old non-polarised 2-pin plug. Not touching the chassis if the original cap. from mains switch to it is still there (leaky) See the scale lamp lights, so you know there isn't a short on the heater wiring. If it doesn't start to stink & drip wax after 20 mins or so, it's probably OK! So disconnect the cap., connect mains earth to chassis GND clip & check bulb is no brighter with plug both ways round. One "gotcha" when testing later with the 5Y3 in, is if you missed an O/C field, the HT (B) appears between the electrolytic cans! . > > One more item. Even though this is going to be a functional restoration, I > want the radio to look like it stepped right out of the '30's at first > glance. Therefore I am in need of three G envelope tubes: 6K6G, 6Q7G and > 5Y3G. This, along with the disconnected electrolytics still on chassis, > will give the radio a period look. > > Once again, any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Bobby Article: 341393 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 19:47:15 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Message-ID: References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <06edneIeUfkKFWTZnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com> In article <06edneIeUfkKFWTZnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com>, Tom Adkins wrote: > amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > > If there is such a thing... > > > > What radio would be on anyones want list? > > > > Brian > > > This question comes up from time to time. It's actually interesting to see different > answers from folks interested in different types of radios. As asked, it's a bit too > open ended to pin the answer down to one particular radio. I usualy interpret the > question as "What's the most desireable (expensive?) pre-war AC radio" These are > usually the radios that non-collectors think of when speaking of "radios". > Of that particular group, I would have to say the Zenith 1000Z and/or the Sparton > Nocturn. They are not, IMHO, good looking radios and I don't lust after them. Given > the typical prices they bring I certainly wouldn't pass them up cheap at a yard sale. > Other types of radios have their own "must haves" and "holy grails". Just for the > heck of it, lets break it down into a few loose categories and see what collectors of > the different types have to say: > Spark receivers- > Crystal sets- > 20s battery sets- > Early TRF AC sets, up to about 1931- > 1932 and later (superhet) table radios- > 1932 and later (superhet) consoles- > 30s plastic sets (bakelite, catalin, etc) > 40s and later plastics- > Portable radios- > Communications receivers- You forgot: 1931 and later TRF AC sets- Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 341394 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: jim rozen Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 2 Sep 2006 17:49:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> In article <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>, amyotte@personainternet.com says... >What radio would be on anyones want list? For me, a grebe CR5. Jim -- ================================================== please reply to: JRR(zero) at pkmfgvm4 (dot) vnet (dot) ibm (dot) com ================================================== Article: 341395 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Can anyone ID this striping problem? was cabinet finish stripping question Date: 2 Sep 2006 18:06:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1157245577.894149.220820@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > Buck Frobisher wrote: > > wrote in message > > news:1157164222.648478.152780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > > > Bleach (Javex) doesn't touch it. Maybe with the 0000 steel wool I have > > > been using I may have polish the wood. > > > > > > The caps came in yesterday for this radio and my RCA 8K-1 and we have a > > > wet weekend coming up so I get to play :) > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > Any chance you can try posting a few pictures, close-ups of the are you are > > concerned with, plus a sampling of the adjacent wood to compare? > > > > You can post them on NEWS:alt.binaries.pictures.radio > > I don't have access to a binaries supported newsgroup so below in a > link to a webpage with a couple of pictures showing the darker shiney > areas that I can't seem to get rid of.. > > http://www.geocities.com/amyottepinball/cgeh-70.html > > Brian Article: 341396 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven Fullmer" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:10:58 -0400 Message-ID: The next one I find. wrote in message news:1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > If there is such a thing... > > What radio would be on anyones want list? > > Brian > Article: 341397 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: ken scharf Subject: Re: homebrew test equipment.. what do you have and what do you use. References: <56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10> Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 21:14:30 -0400 Bob in Phx wrote: > A recent tread got me thinking about some of my homebrew test equipment. > > I've got an adjustable soldering station that was built from a light dimmer > and an outlet. > > Also, I have a homebrew variac, with vintage meters (but I put in > connections for a digital meter) > > anyone else???? > > bob in phx > > I'm building an oscilloscope from an article that appeared in the nov 1975 - jan 1976 issues of 73 magazine. It's a triggered sweep, 20mhz, battery operated unit. It HAS been a LONG time in construction I admit. I still need to drill and stuff on remaining circuit board, finish drilling the front panel and do the wiring between all the pc boards. One of those projects that stayed on the back burner most of the time. Since I own a rather old but functional Tek 454 scope that fills my needs this home brew scope was given low priority. Still, a battery operated portable scope would be nice. Article: 341398 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: <56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10> Subject: Re: homebrew test equipment.. what do you have and what do you use. Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 18:23:14 -0700 Message-ID: <44fa2e83$0$96191$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> I built a grid dip meter, actually the solid state equivalent using a FET. That, and a counter is a very useful tool for working on radios and TV's. Homebrew stuff is fun to build and use, but high quality test equipment is so cheap and readily available, homebrewing serious test equipment isn't really necessary anymore IMO. An example...even though I built a GDO, I picked up two very nice miltary GDO's for less than $20 each. Steve Article: 341399 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Speak now, or forever hold your pieces From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 01:30:49 GMT In article , caradio@verizon.net says... > > >Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Head Up Gary.. expect two early T-Bird Radios Town and Country styles.. for conversion... they will be hand delivered by one of the owners... he will call you.. John k9uwa Article: 341400 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "bhlaserjet" Subject: MaxBid.Net Online Auctions - Antiques radio+phono Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:00:57 -0500 Same catagories as ebay lower auction fees www.maxbid.net Article: 341401 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2006 21:04:05 -0500 Message-ID: <21267-44FA3815-495@storefull-3258.bay.webtv.net> References: <44FA2FA3.C1BB62F3@earthlink.net> I can't think of any.Man made buckets of bolts aren't any great shakes. cuhulin Article: 341402 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Zenith Cube Radio Question Date: 2 Sep 2006 19:54:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1157252085.052888.204930@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: <1157231621.283437.303150@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Ken wrote: > Some pots have no openings for spraying cleaners. I carefully bend the > tabs back and dis-asm the pot. Ken > > RadioGary wrote: > > > Greetings, > > > > I'm working on a Zenith cube model 5R216. All seems to be going along > > well, however the volume control seems scratchy as heck. A cleaning > > wouldn't hurt, but how is it done? Are these pots able to be > > disassembled for servicing, or is there a possible opening to squirt > > cleaner inside? > > > > Your help and comments are appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > GB > > Looks like the best way so far. Thanks to you, and all so far for help. Article: 341403 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Test Equipment References: <44f91555$0$19611$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 03:27:46 GMT "Paul" wrote: > Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? Well, at times I do kind of like to brag a bit. I use a Hewlett Packard 8660C frequency synthesizer. With the AM and FM plug in. And for IF alignment, there's nothing like using either the synthesizer directly, or the Hewlett Packard 141T spectrum analyzer with a tracking generator. That being said, A reasonable frequency counter (Can be had for under $100 now adays), and a signal generator, such as either the Eico 324 or RCA WR-50 (I think) work just fine as a frequency source, then watch the AVC line with either a scope or a VTVM to align the IF and front end. In either case, I would suggest building a "dummy antenna" to go between the signal generator and the radio being aligned. The Radiotron Designers handbook has a section on dummy antennas. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341404 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: homebrew test equipment.. what do you have and what do you use. References: <56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10> <34mKg.494$5i7.315@newsreading01.news.tds.net> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 03:36:42 GMT Paul Dietenberger wrote: > The radio on my bench is never plugged in anywhere except this device. It > gets its input from the secondary of my isolation transformer, it must have > an AC ammeter connected, and it has a single outlet into which the unit > under test is plugged. I use a Sola "harmonic conpensated" constant voltage transformer as an isolation transformer. I put a switch on the front panel to isolate the neutral or run it through (non-siolation mode). Then I feed that into a 5 amp Variac transformer with a 5 amp and 150 volt AC meter on the front panel. The beauty of this, is I have a clean stable line voltage that can be isolated for working on those "widow maker" hot chassis radios. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341405 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1157231621.283437.303150@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Zenith Cube Radio Question Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 00:25:02 -0400 Message-ID: Robt, no need to use both. D5 is great for switch type applications, and leaves no residue, but MCL is designed for pots and does leave a lube. All you need for pots is MCL. Most Zenith controls of 1936-1942 are Centralab, AFAIK. You need to open it up a little, enough to get the nosel tube in there and give it a good shot. Mark Oppat "Robert Sherrod" wrote in message news:SlnKg.24966$aJ.11118@attbi_s21... > Radio Gary, > > I use, as do many others, Caig DeoxIT D5 spray to clean potentiometers. > I also follow up with CaiLube MCL (Moving Control Lubricant) to keep the > control lubricated and operating smoothly. > > Many sources exist for Caig products, including Antique Electronic > Supply, http://www.tubesandmore.com/, but I get mine straight from the > source. Follow this link to Caig's website: http://www.caig.com/. > > Bobby > KC9IHK > > RadioGary wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > I'm working on a Zenith cube model 5R216. All seems to be going along > > well, however the volume control seems scratchy as heck. A cleaning > > wouldn't hurt, but how is it done? Are these pots able to be > > disassembled for servicing, or is there a possible opening to squirt > > cleaner inside? > > > > Your help and comments are appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > GB > > > Article: 341406 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1157220206.324130.286850@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <12fjk84bgttcn74@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Stromberg Carlson Model 240 console Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 00:28:04 -0400 Message-ID: I have the table version of this set now, the 240H I think. It has a cut corner speaker area, but mine is missing the grille but has a tapestry cloth installed. My set was restored by my late pal Chris Haedt. Excellent radio, but I dont use it. Mark Oppat "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12fjk84bgttcn74@corp.supernews.com... > A LOT of driving in your future Mark! > > John H. > > > Article: 341407 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 00:24:29 -0400 Message-ID: <12fkm7ukqjr8ife@news.supernews.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4IKdnaxhmZNl_WXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com> <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_Nednbg19fqKUGXZnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1157164222.648478.152780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <12fi32nthri7844@news.supernews.com> <1157198555.316906.82210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> wrote in message news:1157198555.316906.82210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Buck Frobisher wrote: >> wrote in message >> news:1157164222.648478.152780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Bleach (Javex) doesn't touch it. Maybe with the 0000 steel wool I have >> > been using I may have polish the wood. >> > >> > The caps came in yesterday for this radio and my RCA 8K-1 and we have a >> > wet weekend coming up so I get to play :) >> > >> > Brian >> > >> >> Any chance you can try posting a few pictures, close-ups of the are you >> are >> concerned with, plus a sampling of the adjacent wood to compare? >> >> You can post them on NEWS:alt.binaries.pictures.radio > > I don't have access to a binaries supported newsgroup so below in a > link to a webpage with a couple of pictures showing the darker shiney > areas that I can't seem to get rid of.. > > http://www.geocities.com/amyottepinball/cgeh-70.html > > Brian Yes, I see the marks, and it does look like the original finish didn't come off. I've not seen that before... Article: 341408 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Scott W. Harvey" Subject: Re: homebrew test equipment.. what do you have and what do you use. Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2006 22:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: References: <56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10> <44f9e1b8$0$10211$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> L. wrote: > "Bob in Phx" wrote in message > news:56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10... > >>A recent tread got me thinking about some of my homebrew test equipment. >> >>I've got an adjustable soldering station that was built from a light >>dimmer and an outlet. >> >>Also, I have a homebrew variac, with vintage meters (but I put in >>connections for a digital meter) >> >>anyone else???? >> >>bob in phx >> > > I built a tube socket extender from a dead tube and a porcelean socket pulled from a old piece of military test gear. I discovered that it needed reinforcement with epoxy to keep the socket from breaking. I will probably build others for other size tubes as I need them. Another thing I built was an adaptor that converts an ordinary land-line telephone into a telephone line test set. I needed it to troubleshoot a phone line that our home remodelers screwed up. It can also be used as a breakout box for the phone line as well Once, when I was on the`road, I needed a signal tracer to troubleshoot a set that was located at someone else's house. I bought a transistor radio at a thrift shop for a buck and turned it into a combination signal tracer and signal injector. Worked great, although I wouldn't use it in place of my EICO 147. Silicon Valley has as much test vintage equipment as the East coast and Midwest has vintage radios, much of it lab-grade and very serviceable in our hobby. I have acquired a lot of this stuff at very modest cost and consequently, I have little motivation to roll-my-own... -Scott Article: 341409 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: aoov.com@hotmail.com Subject: Important news Date: 2 Sep 2006 22:50:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1157262659.799942.301230@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> HI: This is Will. Glad to meet you. I am from GuangZhou china.i am a shoes seller and wholesaleer. I am work for www.aoov.com There are some of our hot sell shoes in the inclosure. You can visit our website too .You can chooose all you like on my website. My webiste is : my email :aoov.com@hotmail.com WWW.AOOV.COM Article: 341410 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Noble" References: <56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10> <44f9e1b8$0$10211$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> Subject: Re: homebrew test equipment.. what do you have and what do you use. Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 00:52:49 -0700 Message-ID: <44fa7cbc$0$19646$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Popular electonics used to have plans for stuff like this - I did build a chopper that would make a single trace scope into a dual trace scope - don't use it now because if I need dual trace, I just use a dual trace scope. built plenty of power supplies, one of my favorite things (of no use to this group) is a aluminum chassis with a 5V and a unreg 30V power supply inside, and lots of that breadboard stuff (don't remembr the name) with the push in clips on 0.10 centers so you could quickly breadboard a DIP circuit. "Scott W. Harvey" wrote in message news:eddo1g02h2i@news1.newsguy.com... > L. wrote: >> "Bob in Phx" wrote in message >> news:56lKg.2455$AP2.1069@fed1read10... >> >>>A recent tread got me thinking about some of my homebrew test equipment. >>> >>>I've got an adjustable soldering station that was built from a light >>>dimmer and an outlet. >>> >>>Also, I have a homebrew variac, with vintage meters (but I put in >>>connections for a digital meter) >>> >>>anyone else???? >>> >>>bob in phx >>> >> >> > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 341411 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: pgonshor@aol.com Subject: Re: MaxBid.Net Online Auctions - Antiques radio+phono Date: 3 Sep 2006 04:39:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1157283585.367993.58590@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: bhlaserjet wrote: > Same catagories as ebay lower auction fees > www.maxbid.net Yea, but there is nothing in it! Yahoo is cheaper too, but there is nothing in it either, and it's been around for a long time. Article: 341412 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: pgonshor@aol.com Subject: Re: MaxBid.Net Online Auctions - Antiques radio+phono Date: 3 Sep 2006 04:39:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1157283593.419573.313130@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: bhlaserjet wrote: > Same catagories as ebay lower auction fees > www.maxbid.net Yea, but there is nothing in it! Yahoo is cheaper too, but there is nothing in it either, and it's been around for a long time. Article: 341413 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <06edneIeUfkKFWTZnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@comcast.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 05:07:35 -0700 Message-ID: What's the point of this question? Isn't desirability based on rarity, or cosmetics, or features, or technical advances, or build quality, or... fill in the blank. It's all a matter of taste and desire. How can you objectively say _one_ product is more desirable than any other? Article: 341414 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DeeExxx" Subject: Transistor T-0s at 19M and Above Date: 3 Sep 2006 05:28:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1157286527.425892.159160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Hi, I have two transistor T-Os, a 1000 and a 7000 (the older version of the 7000). The 1000 was professionally serviced and re-aligned. The 7000 does not seem to need realignment. However, both radios don't seem to respond much on 19M and above. I have a lot of QRM at my location , most of it self-inflicted with PCs and various other RF emitters. I also live near an airport and there are strong harmonics in the MF and lower HF bands. I've tried the 19M and higher bands during afternoons, and there is not much difference. If anyone can give my some insight as to this deafness, I'd be most grateful. BTW, I was a tech long ago, but I leave the alignment to an EE pal of mine. Thanks Article: 341415 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: WTD LOCTAL SOCKETS Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 08:26:21 -0500 Message-ID: <2586-44FAD7FD-715@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> UP TO 50 LOCTAL SOCKETS, IF YOU HAVE 5 OR MORE, ME LET ME KNOW HOW MUCH INCLUDING SHIPPING. CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 341416 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 08:32:25 -0500 Message-ID: <1975-44FAD969-745@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: A Radio that works is the most desireable (a Street Car named Desire) Radio,in my opinion.Whether it be AM,,,, FM,,,, Shortwave,,, whatever. cuhulin Article: 341417 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 09:04:40 -0500 Message-ID: <1975-44FAE0F8-750@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157234357.009901.256560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> I own a Philco tube type clock radio.It works ok.I dont know what model of radio it T'IS because it doesn't say (s..t) so on there.It has a white plastic cabinet.I might have a few other old Philco radios too,(I think) tube type and or transistor type Philco radios.I own so many old radios (at least three hundred or more) I dont know what all I own.It's a ''triip' cuhulin' Article: 341418 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: TO JOHN V. TERRY Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 09:27:05 -0500 Message-ID: <24428-44FAE639-155@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> ANTIQUE RADIO CLASSIFIED, CARLISLE, MA 01714 CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 341419 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carl WA1KPD" Subject: AK-55 Again- Odd feedback Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:36:25 -0400 Message-ID: OK Got it all working, sounding nice but one last little problem. When turned on there is about 3 seconds of loud feedback of variable frequency (high to low) that occurs almost immediately. Then as the tubes warm up it quickly goes away. The only deviation from specs I have made its to use 10 mfd filter caps instead of the 2 called for. Any thoughts? -- Carl WA1KPD Visit My Boatanchor Collection at http://home.comcast.net/~chnord/wa1kpd.html Article: 341420 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:03:32 -0400 Message-ID: <12flrm6tk0a5n39@corp.supernews.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <4IKdnaxhmZNl_WXZnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com> <1157150341.585030.118970@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <1157152345.408487.191540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <_Nednbg19fqKUGXZnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@giganews.com> <1157164222.648478.152780@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <12fi32nthri7844@news.supernews.com> <1157198555.316906.82210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> <12fkm7ukqjr8ife@news.supernews.com> "Buck Frobisher" wrote in message news:12fkm7ukqjr8ife@news.supernews.com... > wrote in message > news:1157198555.316906.82210@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> > Yes, I see the marks, and it does look like the original finish didn't come > off. I've not seen that before... > Those areas MIGHT simply be polished wood but it sure looks like oil (likely silicone) has soaked the wood there. A coat of shellac as I mentioned should seal it- be sure to scuff the surface especially those spots with 220 or 150 first though. Nothing finer will work for lacquer finishing. John H. Article: 341421 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Pioneer Radio, No Not the Japanese Kind Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:14:35 -0400 Message-ID: <12flsatbon4l02c@corp.supernews.com> I think this is someone here- http://cgi.ebay.com/19th-CENTURY-SANTA-FE-TRAIL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ230023135638 John H. Article: 341422 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gene" Subject: Re: I bet you're a "radiotrician" and don't know it! Date: 3 Sep 2006 08:25:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1157297120.270337.292510@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: Gary Tayman wrote: > Browsing through a few websites, I came across an Atwater Kent ad that > showed a dealer's name at the bottom. The name was followed by a comma, > then the word "Radiotrician." > > Do a google search on Radiotrician ...very interesting...Gene Article: 341423 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "theblurrrrr" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 3 Sep 2006 08:31:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1157297482.613321.269490@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> While this is a VERY subjective question, I'd have to say that mine is the Crosley Model 3716 "WLW". . amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > If there is such a thing... > > What radio would be on anyones want list? > > Brian Article: 341424 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: WTD LOCTAL SOCKETS Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:23:47 -0500 Message-ID: <10791-44FAF383-644@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: THANKS CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 341425 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:35:28 -0400 Message-ID: <12flti2lh5h0p07@corp.supernews.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1157297482.613321.269490@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> It's funny, the radios I want on eBay are usually the ones some guy named theblurrr is bidding on! John H. Article: 341426 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: dialcover@webtv.net (Bill Turner) Subject: Re: TO JOHN V. TERRY Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:42:22 -0500 Message-ID: <10791-44FAF7DE-647@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> References: <24428-44FAE639-155@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> OOOPS ! "IN APRIL, 2006 I CONTACTED MR. ESTES ABOUT PICKING UP MY COLLECTION FOR AUCTION THE 29TH OF JUNE, 2006. I CANNOT GO THROUGH MY GARAGE DUE TO MY STROKE. AFTER THE PICKUP, I DISCOVERED SEVERAL THINGS WHICH WERE NOT TO HAVE BEEN TAKEN. I CONTACTED MR. ESTES TWICE AND WAS ASSURED HE WOULD CONTACT ME. HE DID NOT. THE AUCTION WAS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 29TH, 2006. I CONTACTED HIM AGAIN ON JULY 16TH ASKING WERE MY MONEY WAS. TODAY IS SEPTEMER 2ND AND I HAVE STILL NOT HEARD FROM HIM. PLEASE USE YOUR GOOD OFFICES TO SEE THAT I GET MY MONEY. I HAVE NEVER USED AN AUCTION SERVICE BEFORE AND IF THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE SERVICE PROVIDED, I WILL NEVER USE THEM AGAIN. SINCERELY, WM P, TURNER" CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. Article: 341427 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 16:01:33 GMT Time to chime in with MY thoughts! First of all, I'm not one to go after a particular radio because I saw it on TV or because it's celebrated as a fabulous rare item. A Nocturne is a rare set, in my opinion, because I think it's about the most absurd-looking contraption ever made -- I wouldn't want one in my home if THEY paid ME! Most radios I see, I pass them by. However if I come across a radio I find interesting, THAT becomes my most desirable radio at that moment. Now . . . as long as we're living in a fantasy world . . . What about a really nice intricately-made console cabinet with insets and accents, that's a real show stopper, finished in a glossy varnish with 30 coats such that the woodgrain looks 3-dimensional. Open up the door for the record player, and there sits a turntable based on a Technics SL-1200, but with extra speeds of 80, 78, 16, and 8, and capable of playing records up to 16". Of course this would include a second cartridge head for a 78 cartridge/needle, a third cartridge head for playing Highway Hi-Fi records, and a circuit in the built-in preamp that automatically detects horizontal/vertical/stereo recordings. There is also a dual cartridge head for playing Cook Binaural records. Also inside would be a cylinder player and a CD player, capable of playing MP3 files. The radio itself would be based on a Fisher 800, but with short wave added -- complete with stable BFO, noise limiters, and SSB capability. A decoder allows Morse code messages to be displayed on a pop-up flat computer screen, displayed in user-selected colors and any of 52 fonts, with the ability to print or fax. Of course this radio tuner, in addition to AM, FM, SW, and LW, can also receive XM and Sirius -- in which case the pop-up screen would display the titles of the songs played. The large speaker in the bottom is really a 15" subwoofer, and there are satellite speakers that fit in each corner of the room to provide surround. The speakers will not be black plastic -- they will match the radio in both finish and deisgn accents. The setup will also include a matching credenza, with drawers that open to reveal a reel-to-reel tape deck that plays up to 10 1/2" reels, at speeds of 30, 15, 7 1/2, 3 3/4, 1 7/8, 15/16, and 15/32. It will also include a cassette deck with Dolby B and C, metal capability, and half-speed. Additional decks include 4-track, 8-track, DAT, large cartridge, and Playtape. It also has the capability to play digital sound from Super-VHS, Betamax, and Hi-8MM videotapes. There is also a wire deck. A sound processor, installed between the tuner/source selector and the 5 kilowatt amp, will include not only an equalizer and DBX 3-range expander, but also a software-driven real time sound processor which removes record surface noise, tape hiss, ticks and pops, tape dropouts, and other impurities. Of course this processor has an output which allows you to connect to any personal computer, and/or the built-in CD burner (separate >from the CD player in the phono drawer). This processor will also include a solid memory device and timer, so radio programs can be stored and played back later in a setup not unlike a Tivo. Of course the clock is designed to synchonize its time to WWV, so you'll never have those flashing digits that occur if power goes out -- even though it's protected from power hiccups with a built-in Panamax and UPS. Oh, I almost forgot -- an input to play the sound from my TV set. You don't want to hear my ideas for an ideal TV. Dream on . . . -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com wrote in message news:1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > If there is such a thing... > > What radio would be on anyones want list? > > Brian > Article: 341428 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 11:09:24 -0500 Message-ID: <10490-44FAFE34-151@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157297482.613321.269490@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> I think I have a Crosley tube type radio,,,, let me go look in that closet in my front bedroom cum lordy junk room,,,,,,, I guess not.A bunch of old Firestone and Silvertone and Knight Kit and assorted other old tube type radios on the top shelf up there.I might still have a Crosley radio around here somewhere.I am not going to turn the house upside down looking for it though. cuhulin Article: 341429 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "terry" Subject: Re: Unusual output stages Date: 3 Sep 2006 10:12:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1157303541.027483.320310@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44f73c9d$0$4521$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl> nesesu wrote: > Terry, that does sound strange. Do post the schematic/description, > please! > > Neil S. > > terry wrote: > > There is a circuit on a 1962 addendum page of an old Sylvania tube book > > here concerning 7754 and 7695 tubes, referred to as 'Single ended > > Push-Pull'. > > > > It 'sort of' looks like two tetrodes in series. The item also refers to > > 'Transformerless operation'. > > > > It sounds somewhat like what has been already mentioned on this > > thread. > > . > > I can scan and post if anyone wishes. > > > > Terry. . Neil I would need your email address to send it. Outside this group? I don't think I'm able to post anything but text here? Or is there a 'binaries' I could try first? Anyone - have suggestions? Also I used to access these (Usenet) groups via my ISP but they are now charging a subscription fee. So my accessibility is a little more difficult than it used to be. Terry Article: 341430 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Pioneer Radio, No Not the Japanese Kind Date: 3 Sep 2006 10:21:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1157304117.475929.259730@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <12flsatbon4l02c@corp.supernews.com> Hagstar wrote: > I think this is someone here- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/19th-CENTURY-SANTA-FE-TRAIL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ230023135638 > > John H. Guy is in Kansas, so he's probably been feeding Toto while Dorothy has gone back to OZ. : ) Article: 341431 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:15:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3286-44FB0D94-414@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> References: <10490-44FAFE34-151@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> Gary, you suddenly got too much time on your hands. :-) oc Article: 341432 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:48:53 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > I have been googling for days and don't think I have found my answer. > > I have a late 30's GE H70 radio cabinet that I have started stripping > the finish off. Using a chemical stripper I have removed some of the > finish. There was a couple of black stains in the top finish that > after the stripping were still there. I brought the cabinet into work > and asked a co-worked that does furniture refinishing what I could do > to remove it. He felt the surface and said that there is still a waxy > finish on there. He suggected amonia (Javex) to remove the stain and > the waxy surface. I did use this with a #0000 steel wool and the stain > did get removed and so did the waxy finish. I now have a very open > grained top BUT there are a couple of areas that will not give up the > waxy finish. > > My question - is this actually a wax type of finish that would have > been applied before the color and final finish or was this some other > treatment applied? > > What would be a more effective remover if this isn't a wax and I were > not to use Javex? > > Thanks > Brian > Brian, You mention that you know about sanding grit, but no mention about how much sanding you did. So, are these dark spots there because they resisted the stripper or because they resisted both the stripper and sanding? If both, I don't think more sanding or even a scraper is going to help. You have other irregularties in the grain color besides the dark spots so if this was my problem I would first make some effort to even out the color as best I could. I would use oil based stains in at least three mixtures. One as it comes from the can, one thinned about 25% with paint thinner and the other about a 50%. Using brushes and lots of rags I would start with the weakest stain mixture and add the other mixtures in areas as they are needed. Anytime I didn't like what I had, I would wipe as much off as I could with straight paint thinner and start over. I would do this because I believe it would be more difficult to get even color using only spray toners. After this it would be grain filling, a coat of shellac, and finally spray toners. BTW, you said you didn't know about lacquer so it looks like you are a newbie to cabinet restoration. That is an honorable title and always welcome here. There are plenty of good people here willing to help all they can. If your cabinet doesn't turn out as well as you like, don't let it discourage you. You have a tough problem that most of us haven't seen. Good luck, Stewart Article: 341433 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Noble" Subject: fa - 6.3v illuminator power supply Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:52:10 -0700 Message-ID: <44fb092f$0$19747$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> this microscope illuminator I'm selling on e-bay is really a tapped 6.3V transformer with a control switch - if you would like to be able to vary filament voltage from about 5.5 to 6.5 V, (actually more if input is 120 rather than 115), this could be useful to you - here's the link. Oh, and of course if you put a gooseneck on it and a 20 watt 6V bulb, it would be a really nice bench light. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300024036365 -- bill to email me, to to my web page, www.wbnoble.com and find my email -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 341434 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bill Morris" References: <12flsatbon4l02c@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Pioneer Radio, No Not the Japanese Kind Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:04:28 -0400 Message-ID: <44fb1926$0$6145$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net> o.O "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12flsatbon4l02c@corp.supernews.com... >I think this is someone here- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/19th-CENTURY-SANTA-FE-TRAIL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ230023135638 > > John H. > Article: 341435 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: <24428-44FAE639-155@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> <10791-44FAF7DE-647@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: TO JOHN V. TERRY Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:12:17 -0400 Message-ID: This is the third time I have seen a posting from someone who has used Estes service and seemed to have been having difficulty getting their auction proceeds. Up untill these postings I have heard nothing but good about Estes. I don't know the terms of these auctions but it seems that the seller of a collection should have their money within about 30 days. Larry Fowkes "Bill Turner" wrote in message news:10791-44FAF7DE-647@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net... > OOOPS ! > > "IN APRIL, 2006 I CONTACTED MR. ESTES ABOUT PICKING UP MY COLLECTION FOR > AUCTION THE 29TH OF JUNE, 2006. I CANNOT GO THROUGH MY GARAGE DUE TO MY > STROKE. AFTER THE PICKUP, I DISCOVERED SEVERAL THINGS WHICH WERE NOT TO > HAVE BEEN TAKEN. I CONTACTED MR. ESTES TWICE AND WAS ASSURED HE WOULD > CONTACT ME. HE DID NOT. > > THE AUCTION WAS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 29TH, 2006. I CONTACTED HIM AGAIN > ON JULY 16TH ASKING WERE MY MONEY WAS. TODAY IS SEPTEMER 2ND AND I HAVE > STILL NOT HEARD FROM HIM. PLEASE USE YOUR GOOD OFFICES TO SEE THAT I > GET MY MONEY. I HAVE NEVER USED AN AUCTION SERVICE BEFORE AND IF THIS > IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE SERVICE PROVIDED, I WILL NEVER USE THEM AGAIN. > SINCERELY, WM P, TURNER" > > > CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com > Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke. > Business SASE, each order a copy of The Pocket Resource Guide. > > > > Article: 341436 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Newby question after recap CGE H-70 Date: 3 Sep 2006 11:24:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> In another thread, I have been workng on the cabinet for my CGE H-70 radio. I ordered the replacement caps from justradios.com and recapped the radio yesterday. Previously it had little volume and would pick up one AM station and a lot of static on the SW bands. As I recapped the radio I would do a few and check to make sure everything would still work. Since the radio sound was garbled and at a low volume I borrowed a tube tester and the tubes checked out OK. I went thru and traced each capacitor I installed and checked the ones that were polorized for orientation. They are OK. I went thru and tested each resistor and they were within about a 10% tolerance. I now get a couple of faint SW stations, one faint AM station which the sound is garbled, and not much in the volume department. What sould I look for next? Other than a VOM with logic tester I have no tools, yet. My electronics experience is repairing pinball machines. :) Brian Article: 341437 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Newby question after recap CGE H-70 References: <1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 15:06:07 -0400 First off, tell us what your radio knowledge is. It would sure help if you had a signal generator. Most all old receivers need to be aligned, they drift from age and also from people messing with the trimmers. If you have a voltage chart on your schematic, compare your readings. You need to see if the distortion is coming from the audio or RF section. An audio generator and scope are good for checking out the audio. If you're just getting into this sport, you really need to gear up with the proper test equip, things will go much easier. Ken amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > In another thread, I have been workng on the cabinet for my CGE H-70 > radio. > > I ordered the replacement caps from justradios.com and recapped the > radio yesterday. Previously it had little volume and would pick up one > AM station and a lot of static on the SW bands. > > As I recapped the radio I would do a few and check to make sure > everything would still work. > > Since the radio sound was garbled and at a low volume I borrowed a tube > tester and the tubes checked out OK. I went thru and traced each > capacitor I installed and checked the ones that were polorized for > orientation. They are OK. I went thru and tested each resistor and > they were within about a 10% tolerance. > > I now get a couple of faint SW stations, one faint AM station which the > sound is garbled, and not much in the volume department. > > What sould I look for next? > > Other than a VOM with logic tester I have no tools, yet. > My electronics experience is repairing pinball machines. :) > > > Brian > Article: 341438 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" References: <1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Newby question after recap CGE H-70 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 12:20:13 -0700 brian, I too am a pinball repair person!! In addition, I have a couple of old radios that I have fixed... radios are not much different then pins, just a couple of differences. You already know about power supplies from pins, well radios have one or two power supplies. Just like solenoids go bad, speakers can go bad... I am not saying that this is your radios problem, just drawing a little comparison. Lets chat off the news group a bit and I will give you what I know and how it relates to pins... bob in phx wrote in message news:1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > In another thread, I have been workng on the cabinet for my CGE H-70 > radio. > > I ordered the replacement caps from justradios.com and recapped the > radio yesterday. Previously it had little volume and would pick up one > AM station and a lot of static on the SW bands. > > As I recapped the radio I would do a few and check to make sure > everything would still work. > > Since the radio sound was garbled and at a low volume I borrowed a tube > tester and the tubes checked out OK. I went thru and traced each > capacitor I installed and checked the ones that were polorized for > orientation. They are OK. I went thru and tested each resistor and > they were within about a 10% tolerance. > > I now get a couple of faint SW stations, one faint AM station which the > sound is garbled, and not much in the volume department. > > What sould I look for next? > > Other than a VOM with logic tester I have no tools, yet. > My electronics experience is repairing pinball machines. :) > > > Brian > Article: 341439 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" Subject: Should I buy this radio? (Zenith 6-D-510) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:32:59 GMT I walked into an antique store the other day and found the radio mentioned in the post subject line...or at least a model that's very similar to it. It's very dirty, and the speaker is pretty torn up. However, it does play with nearly no hum after a very long warm up time and the top carrying handle is unbroken. The casing is pretty good and would probably clean up well. Apart from the dirt, the only obvious problems are a slipping tuner dial and bad sound caused by the damaged speaker cone. To be completely honest, I'd like to have it. But I want to repair it as well, and don't know if the damaged speaker is a big problem or not. William Article: 341440 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Re: Newby question after recap CGE H-70 Date: 3 Sep 2006 12:50:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1157313044.447173.175760@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Email sent Brian Bob in Phx wrote: > brian, > I too am a pinball repair person!! In addition, I have a couple of old > radios that I have fixed... radios are not much different then pins, just a > couple of differences. You already know about power supplies from pins, well > radios have one or two power supplies. Just like solenoids go bad, speakers > can go bad... I am not saying that this is your radios problem, just drawing > a little comparison. > > Lets chat off the news group a bit and I will give you what I know and how > it relates to pins... > > bob in phx > wrote in message > news:1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > In another thread, I have been workng on the cabinet for my CGE H-70 > > radio. > > > > I ordered the replacement caps from justradios.com and recapped the > > radio yesterday. Previously it had little volume and would pick up one > > AM station and a lot of static on the SW bands. > > > > As I recapped the radio I would do a few and check to make sure > > everything would still work. > > > > Since the radio sound was garbled and at a low volume I borrowed a tube > > tester and the tubes checked out OK. I went thru and traced each > > capacitor I installed and checked the ones that were polorized for > > orientation. They are OK. I went thru and tested each resistor and > > they were within about a 10% tolerance. > > > > I now get a couple of faint SW stations, one faint AM station which the > > sound is garbled, and not much in the volume department. > > > > What sould I look for next? > > > > Other than a VOM with logic tester I have no tools, yet. > > My electronics experience is repairing pinball machines. :) > > > > > > Brian > > Article: 341441 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Re: Newby question after recap CGE H-70 Date: 3 Sep 2006 12:55:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1157313340.421374.280320@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Ken wrote: > First off, tell us what your radio knowledge is. It would sure help if > you had a signal generator. Most all old receivers need to be aligned, > they drift from age and also from people messing with the trimmers. If > you have a voltage chart on your schematic, compare your readings. You > need to see if the distortion is coming from the audio or RF section. An > audio generator and scope are good for checking out the audio. If you're > just getting into this sport, you really need to gear up with the proper > test equip, things will go much easier. Ken > My radio knowledge is nil. The only voltages I see are for the tubes. The plate, screen grid, cathode and heater. Will look into getting a signal generator. What else is handy to have. Brian Article: 341442 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Re: cabinet finish stripping question Date: 3 Sep 2006 13:00:03 -0700 Message-ID: <1157313603.852020.160250@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1157119786.600582.48110@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> > > You mention that you know about sanding grit, but no mention about how > much sanding you did. So, are these dark spots there because they > resisted the stripper or because they resisted both the stripper and > sanding? If both, I don't think more sanding or even a scraper is going > to help. I took some 200 grit paper to them and they clogged up the paper in a couple of spots. They appear to be rather deep into the wood. > > You have other irregularties in the grain color besides the dark spots > so if this was my problem I would first make some effort to even out the > color as best I could. I would use oil based stains in at least three > mixtures. One as it comes from the can, one thinned about 25% with paint > thinner and the other about a 50%. Using brushes and lots of rags I > would start with the weakest stain mixture and add the other mixtures in > areas as they are needed. Anytime I didn't like what I had, I would wipe > as much off as I could with straight paint thinner and start over. > Good tactic above. > BTW, you said you didn't know about lacquer so it looks like you are a > newbie to cabinet restoration. That is an honorable title and always > welcome here. There are plenty of good people here willing to help all > they can. Yes I am new to refinishing. I have done some other firniture but have never run into this problem. Thanks Brian Article: 341443 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: Subject: Re: I bet you're a "radiotrician" and don't know it! Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:17:19 -0400 Message-ID: Yep, seen that one. Just like RCA only referring to tubes as "Radiotrons" in the early days. But, I have a better idea. If you add the suffix "ologist" to your job title, you can charge 10 X more for what you do! Example, I fix radios. My buddy is a "Radiologist". He makes about 10 X what I make! My pal Dan is a Roofer. He could be a "Roofologist". just a thought. Mark Oppat "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:w2CKg.3594$ub5.656@trnddc07... > Browsing through a few websites, I came across an Atwater Kent ad that > showed a dealer's name at the bottom. The name was followed by a comma, > then the word "Radiotrician." > > Now THERE'S a term I've never heard before, but I suppose I resemble that > remark, as do many of you! We're all radiotricians! > > I'll try using that term on my income tax forms next year . . . > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > Article: 341444 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Speak now, or forever hold your pieces Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:16:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1975-44FB3814-823@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> References: Whats the most radios you ever got in one day? to repair. cuhulin Article: 341445 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:29:08 -0400 Message-ID: Believe it or not, the closest thing to this "ideal" of yours is a few German made 1964 era consoles. There are some super high end-y ones, with R to R, SW (of course), high gloss lacquer, and 4 speed changers that will sense the size of the record automatically. The other fantasy features you dont get, and of course never will. The most amazing thing is, often these German consoles, even the real deluxe ones, go for $200 to free around these parts. I have to turn them down about 3 times a year. Just cant store them all, and, most collectors wont take them. Mark Oppat "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:x%CKg.1078$I71.606@trnddc01... > Time to chime in with MY thoughts! > > First of all, I'm not one to go after a particular radio because I saw it on > TV or because it's celebrated as a fabulous rare item. A Nocturne is a rare > set, in my opinion, because I think it's about the most absurd-looking > contraption ever made -- I wouldn't want one in my home if THEY paid ME! > Most radios I see, I pass them by. However if I come across a radio I find > interesting, THAT becomes my most desirable radio at that moment. > > Now . . . as long as we're living in a fantasy world . . . > > What about a really nice intricately-made console cabinet with insets and > accents, that's a real show stopper, finished in a glossy varnish with 30 > coats such that the woodgrain looks 3-dimensional. Open up the door for the > record player, and there sits a turntable based on a Technics SL-1200, but > with extra speeds of 80, 78, 16, and 8, and capable of playing records up to > 16". Of course this would include a second cartridge head for a 78 > cartridge/needle, a third cartridge head for playing Highway Hi-Fi records, > and a circuit in the built-in preamp that automatically detects > horizontal/vertical/stereo recordings. There is also a dual cartridge head > for playing Cook Binaural records. Also inside would be a cylinder player > and a CD player, capable of playing MP3 files. The radio itself would be > based on a Fisher 800, but with short wave added -- complete with stable > BFO, noise limiters, and SSB capability. A decoder allows Morse code > messages to be displayed on a pop-up flat computer screen, displayed in > user-selected colors and any of 52 fonts, with the ability to print or fax. > Of course this radio tuner, in addition to AM, FM, SW, and LW, can also > receive XM and Sirius -- in which case the pop-up screen would display the > titles of the songs played. > > The large speaker in the bottom is really a 15" subwoofer, and there are > satellite speakers that fit in each corner of the room to provide surround. > The speakers will not be black plastic -- they will match the radio in both > finish and deisgn accents. > > The setup will also include a matching credenza, with drawers that open to > reveal a reel-to-reel tape deck that plays up to 10 1/2" reels, at speeds of > 30, 15, 7 1/2, 3 3/4, 1 7/8, 15/16, and 15/32. It will also include a > cassette deck with Dolby B and C, metal capability, and half-speed. > Additional decks include 4-track, 8-track, DAT, large cartridge, and > Playtape. It also has the capability to play digital sound from Super-VHS, > Betamax, and Hi-8MM videotapes. There is also a wire deck. > > A sound processor, installed between the tuner/source selector and the 5 > kilowatt amp, will include not only an equalizer and DBX 3-range expander, > but also a software-driven real time sound processor which removes record > surface noise, tape hiss, ticks and pops, tape dropouts, and other > impurities. Of course this processor has an output which allows you to > connect to any personal computer, and/or the built-in CD burner (separate > from the CD player in the phono drawer). This processor will also include a > solid memory device and timer, so radio programs can be stored and played > back later in a setup not unlike a Tivo. Of course the clock is designed to > synchonize its time to WWV, so you'll never have those flashing digits that > occur if power goes out -- even though it's protected from power hiccups > with a built-in Panamax and UPS. > > Oh, I almost forgot -- an input to play the sound from my TV set. You don't > want to hear my ideas for an ideal TV. > > > > Dream on . . . > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > > wrote in message > news:1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > If there is such a thing... > > > > What radio would be on anyones want list? > > > > Brian > > > > > Article: 341446 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "duty-honor-country" Subject: Fisher STV-875 speakers-need specs Date: 3 Sep 2006 13:30:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1157315400.855166.86630@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> does anyone know the efficiency rating of these vintage speakers ?? they are: 100 Watt power rating rms per cabinet 15" woofer 4" midrange 3" tweeter 36" H x 17" W x 13" D cabinets Article: 341447 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 13:38:01 -0700 From: Dave Subject: Cool way to find radio gear on ebay Message-ID: <44fb300c$0$19750$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> I'll be the first to admit I know NOTHING about radio equipment. But I do know that you can find pretty much anything on ebay, and often the items listed are misspelled. No big deal, except that if someone is searching for a particular item, they're not likely to find it if it's spelled wrong. As a result, the item doesn't get any bids. Well, I have a website that can take your search term, figure out all the ways to misspell it, and send you off to ebay with a search query that finds all the misspelled variations of the item you're looking for. And it's free! Give it a try at: http://www.ebargainsweb.com/spelling.php No downloading, no login, no nonsense. Have fun, and good luck bidding. --Dave at ebargainsweb.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 341448 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Cool way to find radio gear on ebay References: <44fb300c$0$19750$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:30:49 -0400 I tried it, spelled philco 90 as fhilco 90. It came back with 30 spellings, but never started it with a 'p'??? What did I do wrong? Ken Dave wrote: > I'll be the first to admit I know NOTHING about radio equipment. But I > do know that you can find pretty much anything on ebay, and often the > items listed are misspelled. No big deal, except that if someone is > searching for a particular item, they're not likely to find it if it's > spelled wrong. As a result, the item doesn't get any bids. > > Well, I have a website that can take your search term, figure out all > the ways to misspell it, and send you off to ebay with a search query > that finds all the misspelled variations of the item you're looking for. > And it's free! Give it a try at: > http://www.ebargainsweb.com/spelling.php > > No downloading, no login, no nonsense. Have fun, and good luck bidding. > --Dave at ebargainsweb.com > Article: 341449 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Daniele" Subject: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:31:02 GMT Another day in cleaning my friend's basement. Again wire spools... 7 spools, 200mt each, a bag with 100 new 807s brown bakelite bases... near about one hundred pcs 1 meg pots (with long shaft).. 50 0.5meg pots, long shaft too.. about 30 mt of shrinking tubing... a couple of french '40 radios, another couple of italians, and three telefunken in bad shape for parts.. This was just something i had the way to carry home into the car but there are lot of things that would need to be take at home, i started from the basement but actually all the building has been filled and all over arond the house is a hell. But until he stays into the hospital i take only what he says me to take, the house is unsane so lot of the stuff need to go, it's time to put my friend in the right way. He said: 'take that signal generator you see in the corner near the desk, but, remember, it has been modified to be a short wave radio in WWII'. Said that, done that, i took it at home. Well... the scale has been hand written, the gear seems to be a sort of franken-generator with bezels from something other test equipment, the voltmeter has been substituted with an older brass made one. The dial and the voltmeter have been masked with red sheets to use in night bombing. Pictures here: http://www.junkradios.com/public/unk1.jpg note the pointer for fine tuning http://www.junkradios.com/public/unk2.jpg Ok, lets return to the subject.. clean clean clean... i took some shoots from my friend house, you'll not believe... This is what you see arriving there..: http://www.junkradios.com/1/1.jpg ...let's walk into, still out the house..: http://www.junkradios.com/1/2.jpg ...amplifiers, amplifiers and amplifiers, a couple of signal generators (Precision instruments and black one in front is a rare italian from the '40).. hidden in the back there are about 10 radios. The 'black boxes' are one 4 track recorder AIWA and the other is an AKAI.. http://www.junkradios.com/1/3.jpg Let's have a trip into the house, just entering we see the stairs, again amplifiers amplifiers amplifiers, this is the first, there are 6 stairs like this, obviously all filled with amplifiers and test equipments and radios... http://www.junkradios.com/1/4.jpg Reel to reel to reel to reel to reel.... a lot of 'stenotape' recorders from Geloso, in all the property i was able to count about over than 150 of them and about 50 professional recorders like AIWA, HUER, GRUNDIG... http://www.junkradios.com/1/5.jpg Your wife would kill you... this was the living room... on the right you can see a Tesla talisman (other 3 or 4 are in other rooms), a couple of rare and (now) expensive Radio Marelli, a Philco signal Generator, on the left a BSR turnatable, a professional Mixer with some modern amplifiers by JBL, at bottom it's visible one of the 10 speakers (all new) Peerless, diameter 38 cm,.. in front and somewhere in the room again reel to reels.. http://www.junkradios.com/1/6.jpg Not need to mention that this is only about 1/3 of the hell... The big red boxes are filled with 45 and 33 rpm records, the transparent ones are filled with cassettes and the gray ones with Stereo8 records.. This started 15 years ago when, in less than 90 days, he lost his wife, his mother and the mother of his wife, 5 years before lost a son of 4 y.o. Now, his disease.. after 4 month in the ospital is coming up something to hope in a return to his home (BTW in a long time range..) it's time ti prepare the place for a better living. -- Daniele http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 341450 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: I bet you're a "radiotrician" and don't know it! Message-ID: References: Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:56:24 GMT On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:56:28 GMT, "Gary Tayman" wrote: >Browsing through a few websites, I came across an Atwater Kent ad that >showed a dealer's name at the bottom. The name was followed by a comma, >then the word "Radiotrician." > >Now THERE'S a term I've never heard before, but I suppose I resemble that >remark, as do many of you! We're all radiotricians! > >I'll try using that term on my income tax forms next year . . . You young whippersnapper newcomers have lead a sheltered life :o) Hugo Gernsback pushed that title for many years. see: http://growabrain.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/radio_craft_1.jpg The term is also still in use in South Africa, New Zealand and other present and former Commonwealth Countries. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 341451 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: AK-55 Again- Odd feedback Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 07:00:47 +0900 Message-ID: References: -- Say no to institutionalized interference. Just say NO to HD/IBOC! "Carl WA1KPD" wrote in message news:PsqdnajHsNPwdWfZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > OK Got it all working, sounding nice but one last little problem. > > When turned on there is about 3 seconds of loud feedback of variable > frequency (high to low) that occurs almost immediately. Then as the tubes > warm up it quickly goes away. > The only deviation from specs I have made its to use 10 mfd filter caps > instead of the 2 called for. > Any thoughts? Personally, I suspect the filters. I've read in several places that those are pretty critical, and should not even be replaced with electrolytics in this radio. Am I remembering wrongly, anyone? Article: 341452 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Message-ID: <_DIKg.1059$YZ3.722@trnddc03> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:26:02 GMT Now that I've taken a break for website enhancements, and back to shop cleaning, I suppose I now have some inspiration to keep me going! Of course that nice clean room you saw on the binaries is a mess again, as I've pulled stuff from the shelves . . . -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Daniele" wrote in message news:qQHKg.92701$zy5.1531291@twister1.libero.it... > Another day in cleaning my friend's basement. > Again wire spools... 7 spools, 200mt each, > a bag with 100 new 807s brown bakelite bases... > near about one hundred pcs 1 meg pots (with long shaft).. > 50 0.5meg pots, long shaft too.. > about 30 mt of shrinking tubing... > a couple of french '40 radios, another couple of italians, > and three telefunken in bad shape for parts.. > This was just something i had the way to carry home > into the car but there are lot of things that would need > to be take at home, i started from the basement > but actually all the building has been filled and all over arond > the house is a hell. But until he stays into the hospital i take > only what he says me to take, the house is unsane > so lot of the stuff need to go, it's time to put my friend > in the right way. > He said: 'take that signal generator you see in the corner > near the desk, but, remember, it has been modified to be > a short wave radio in WWII'. > Said that, done that, i took it at home. > Well... the scale has been hand written, the gear seems > to be a sort of franken-generator with bezels from something > other test equipment, the voltmeter has been substituted with > an older brass made one. The dial and the voltmeter have > been masked with red sheets to use in night bombing. > Pictures here: > http://www.junkradios.com/public/unk1.jpg > note the pointer for fine tuning > http://www.junkradios.com/public/unk2.jpg > > Ok, lets return to the subject.. clean clean clean... > i took some shoots from my friend house, you'll not believe... > > This is what you see arriving there..: > http://www.junkradios.com/1/1.jpg > > ...let's walk into, still out the house..: > http://www.junkradios.com/1/2.jpg > > ...amplifiers, amplifiers and amplifiers, a couple > of signal generators (Precision instruments and black one in front > is a rare italian from the '40).. hidden in the back there are about > 10 radios. The 'black boxes' are one 4 track recorder AIWA and the other > is an AKAI.. > http://www.junkradios.com/1/3.jpg > > Let's have a trip into the house, just entering we see > the stairs, again amplifiers amplifiers amplifiers, this is > the first, there are 6 stairs like this, obviously all filled with > amplifiers and test equipments and radios... > http://www.junkradios.com/1/4.jpg > > Reel to reel to reel to reel to reel.... a lot of 'stenotape' > recorders from Geloso, in all the property i was able to count > about over than 150 of them and about > 50 professional recorders like AIWA, HUER, GRUNDIG... > http://www.junkradios.com/1/5.jpg > > Your wife would kill you... this was the living room... > on the right you can see a Tesla talisman (other 3 or 4 are > in other rooms), a couple of rare and (now) expensive Radio Marelli, > a Philco signal Generator, on the left a BSR turnatable, a professional > Mixer with some modern amplifiers by JBL, at bottom it's visible > one of the 10 speakers (all new) Peerless, diameter 38 cm,.. in front > and somewhere in the room again reel to reels.. > http://www.junkradios.com/1/6.jpg > > Not need to mention that this is only about 1/3 of the hell... > The big red boxes are filled with 45 and 33 rpm records, > the transparent ones are filled with cassettes and the gray > ones with Stereo8 records.. > > This started 15 years ago when, in less than 90 days, he lost his wife, > his mother and the mother of his wife, 5 years before lost a son of 4 y.o. > Now, his disease.. after 4 month in the ospital is coming up > something to hope in a return to his home (BTW in a long time range..) > it's time ti prepare the place for a better living. > > -- > Daniele > http://www.tuberadio.it > > > > > > Article: 341453 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1975-44FB3814-823@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Speak now, or forever hold your pieces Message-ID: <5OIKg.1069$YZ3.602@trnddc03> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:36:49 GMT Probably 5. Time back, I was running into a problem with repairs; the conversions were (still are) more profitable with fewer variables, so I've always put the conversions ahead of the repairs in terms of importance. However the repairs kept coming in, and so were conversions, and I ran into overload trying to keep up -- and of course the repairs suffered. I had radios in cabinets, radios on shelves, radios on the floor, radios stacked in the garage, and a few radios in the trunk of the car for lack of another place to put them! One day I went around and counted -- 50 radios waiting for repair! That's when I quit offering service. Of course that was then and this is now. Back then this was a part-time venture; now it's definitely full time. Also I'm continuing to grow, getting better stocked with parts, streamlining paperwork, working faster through experience, etc., so that same amount of backup would take considerably less time to tackle. At times I still wonder about continuing service, but at other times I'm glad I have it. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com wrote in message news:1975-44FB3814-823@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net... > Whats the most radios you ever got in one day? to repair. > cuhulin > Article: 341454 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: oldcoot@webtv.net (Bill Sheppard) Subject: Re: Speak now, or forever hold your pieces Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 15:34:00 -0700 Message-ID: <3287-44FB5858-47@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> References: <1975-44FB3814-823@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> >Whats the most radios you ever got in >one day? to repair. cuhulin Not radios, but back in the days of tube TVs, six to ten a day would be typical (that's working 5=BD days a week). Sometimes a real "dog" would come along that had to be put on the side and worked on during slow periods. Radios amounted to a very small percentage of repairs. Bill(oc) Article: 341456 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Should I buy this radio? (Zenith 6-D-510) Date: 3 Sep 2006 16:00:38 -0700 Message-ID: <1157324438.006609.89540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: William R. Walsh wrote: > I walked into an antique store the other day and found the radio mentioned > in the post subject line...or at least a model that's very similar to it. > > It's very dirty, and the speaker is pretty torn up. However, it does play > with nearly no hum after a very long warm up time and the top carrying > handle is unbroken. The casing is pretty good and would probably clean up > well. Apart from the dirt, the only obvious problems are a slipping tuner > dial and bad sound caused by the damaged speaker cone. > > To be completely honest, I'd like to have it. But I want to repair it as > well, and don't know if the damaged speaker is a big problem or not. > > William Buy it if you like it. Don't pay too much.These are very common. In Denver I wouldn't pay more than $15-20. If the cabinet is chipped, cracked or broken I wouldn't buy it. If the speaker has a few tears in the cone, it can be patched. There are a few threads here about that subject. If the cone is trashed, it's a big deal to get it reconed. Many speaker shops can't do it. AC/DC sets take a long time to warm up. Sometimes weak tubes take an extra long time to warm up. You will need to do a recap to make it safe and to make it continue playing. Article: 341457 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "cmdr buzz corey" Subject: Re: TO JOHN V. TERRY Date: 3 Sep 2006 16:21:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1157325700.991723.250830@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <24428-44FAE639-155@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> Bill Turner wrote: > OOOPS ! > > "IN APRIL, 2006 I CONTACTED MR. ESTES ABOUT PICKING UP MY COLLECTION FOR > AUCTION THE 29TH OF JUNE, 2006. I CANNOT GO THROUGH MY GARAGE DUE TO MY > STROKE. AFTER THE PICKUP, I DISCOVERED SEVERAL THINGS WHICH WERE NOT TO > HAVE BEEN TAKEN. I CONTACTED MR. ESTES TWICE AND WAS ASSURED HE WOULD > CONTACT ME. HE DID NOT. > > THE AUCTION WAS SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 29TH, 2006. I CONTACTED HIM AGAIN > ON JULY 16TH ASKING WERE MY MONEY WAS. TODAY IS SEPTEMER 2ND AND I HAVE > STILL NOT HEARD FROM HIM. PLEASE USE YOUR GOOD OFFICES TO SEE THAT I > GET MY MONEY. I HAVE NEVER USED AN AUCTION SERVICE BEFORE AND IF THIS > IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE SERVICE PROVIDED, I WILL NEVER USE THEM AGAIN. > SINCERELY, WM P, TURNER" Bill, why don't you send this directly to Terry at ARC@antiqueradios.com? He may not see it here. Article: 341458 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:31:14 -0700 Message-ID: > will include not only an equalizer and dbx 3-range [sic] expander... 5-band expander/compressor, the 5BX. I'm thinking of selling mine. Article: 341459 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:43:24 -0400 Message-ID: <12fmtld3akfpde@news.supernews.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:T4-dnWIxPoOAp2bZnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Believe it or not, the closest thing to this "ideal" of yours is a few > German made 1964 era consoles. There are some super high end-y ones, > with > R to R, SW (of course), high gloss lacquer, and 4 speed changers that > will > sense the size of the record automatically. A dream I have is to have the room and other furnishings to match a Kuba Komet (pictures on the binaries). It's all the above, plus the wildest styling. Man, it's like bang, zoom, to da moon, Alice! Article: 341460 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Buck Frobisher" Subject: Re: Pioneer Radio, No Not the Japanese Kind Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 20:55:22 -0400 Message-ID: <12fmubum6t8ca59@news.supernews.com> References: <12flsatbon4l02c@corp.supernews.com> "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12flsatbon4l02c@corp.supernews.com... >I think this is someone here- > > http://cgi.ebay.com/19th-CENTURY-SANTA-FE-TRAIL-RADIO_W0QQitemZ230023135638 > > John H. Great sense of humour! In the comments, too: Q: You're absolutely right about the radio's history. It is derived from an earlier model used by Henry V when he defeated the French at Agincourt in 1415....more Aug-28-06 A: Thank you for this bit of history of Henry V. I would love to see HIS radio! begin 666 s.gif M1TE&.#EA`0`!`)'_`/___P```,# P ```"'Y! $```(`+ `````!``$```(" $5 $`.P`` ` end Article: 341461 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 17:57:16 -0700 From: Dave Subject: Re: Cool way to find radio gear on ebay References: <44fb300c$0$19750$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Message-ID: <44fb6ccc$0$19604$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Ken wrote: > I tried it, spelled philco 90 as fhilco 90. It came back with 30 > spellings, but never started it with a 'p'??? What did I do wrong? Ken > Ken, I tried "philco" and got a whole mess of stuff, but none which started with "F"... weird. All I can say is try it again. I think it's a good idea to check the box that says "include your original search term," otherwise you won't get anything that's spelled RIGHT. --Dave -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 341462 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 18:10:22 -0700 Message-ID: <44fb7d00$0$96172$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> Daniele, Thanks for posting the pics. Just showed them to my wife in an effort to show her things CAN actually get worse. Steve Article: 341463 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: rodsievers@gmail.com Subject: Re: Transoceanic battery plug Date: 3 Sep 2006 18:16:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1157332566.405989.293600@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1157203146.110641.163190@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Well, first of all, sorry for the perceived tone of my first response. Second, thanks to those who responded with positive, thoughtful answers to my question. You guys are the best. Rod Shawn K wrote: > rodsievers@gmail.com wrote: > > > Like, does it matter? > > If you are picky about your restorations, then yes, it does. > > > If you know were I can get the piece for a particular model, > > why don't you just post it here? > > If you are looking for a piece for a particular model, go to > www.vintage-electronics.com click on PARTS, type in your model number in > the search bar. > > > As far as I know, they're all the same. > > Actually, they are not all the same. The 8G005, 6G001, 6G004, and a few > others use a plug that is about half the depth of the G500, H500, and > the 600 series. The pin spacing is the same on all of them, so it > doesn't really matter. > > > If not, I'm sure you'll correct me. > > You bet we will.... :) > > One more note, there was someone who was willing to help and asked a > legitimate question about the part required, yet the tone of your > response seemed a little sharp. It is a very easy thing to just provide > the model number of the set you need the part for. Just my 2 cents.... > > > -- > > Shawn K > www.thisoldradio.com Article: 341464 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Re: Newby question after recap CGE H-70 Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:43:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> On 3 Sep 2006 11:24:51 -0700, amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: >In another thread, I have been workng on the cabinet for my CGE H-70 >radio. > >I ordered the replacement caps from justradios.com and recapped the >radio yesterday. Previously it had little volume and would pick up one >AM station and a lot of static on the SW bands. > >As I recapped the radio I would do a few and check to make sure >everything would still work. > >Since the radio sound was garbled and at a low volume I borrowed a tube >tester and the tubes checked out OK. I went thru and traced each >capacitor I installed and checked the ones that were polorized for >orientation. They are OK. I went thru and tested each resistor and >they were within about a 10% tolerance. > >I now get a couple of faint SW stations, one faint AM station which the >sound is garbled, and not much in the volume department. > >What sould I look for next? > >Other than a VOM with logic tester I have no tools, yet. >My electronics experience is repairing pinball machines. :) > > >Brian Make sure the antenna is connected. Tune in a very faint station. Put a dot using a fine point permanent marker next to the slot in the adjustment screw marking where the screw is set on top or the side of the large section of the tuning capacitor. Use a screwdriver to turn the screw tighter and looser and see if that makes an improvement. If not, put it back where it was. Don't mess with the screw connected to the smaller section of the tuner. Do the same on each screw on the top of the IF transformers. Mark them, turn them, listen for a peak in volume. Don't turn them more than a half revolution. You might get an improvement by doing this. This is a poor man's alignment lacking a signal generator. Blacksmith wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 341465 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Back from vacation Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:41:51 -0600 Message-ID: <332-44FB845F-1@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> I was gone for 2 weeks if anyone else was needing something . I cant get the forum to ``work`` tonight ..so ? I found a post office card in my mailbox with a familiar name on it .I hope the PO keeps things for a while as i was not expecting anything from anyone . I will check on it tuesday . Thanks Article: 341466 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Re: I bet you're a "radiotrician" and don't know it! Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:50:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 14:56:28 GMT, "Gary Tayman" wrote: >Browsing through a few websites, I came across an Atwater Kent ad that >showed a dealer's name at the bottom. The name was followed by a comma, >then the word "Radiotrician." > >Now THERE'S a term I've never heard before, but I suppose I resemble that >remark, as do many of you! We're all radiotricians! > >I'll try using that term on my income tax forms next year . . . When I scanned the NRI books from the late 20's I noticed many of them had Radio-trician in the title. Blacksmith Scanned radio magazine sets and more. wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 341467 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Re: Newby question after recap CGE H-70 Date: 3 Sep 2006 18:50:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1157334642.985717.17350@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> I have located a local radio collector and will probably buy a signal generator off him. I am also bringing my H-70 chassis for him to look at and gain his incite. Brian Blacksmith wrote: > On 3 Sep 2006 11:24:51 -0700, amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > > >In another thread, I have been workng on the cabinet for my CGE H-70 > >radio. > > > >I ordered the replacement caps from justradios.com and recapped the > >radio yesterday. Previously it had little volume and would pick up one > >AM station and a lot of static on the SW bands. > > > >As I recapped the radio I would do a few and check to make sure > >everything would still work. > > > >Since the radio sound was garbled and at a low volume I borrowed a tube > >tester and the tubes checked out OK. I went thru and traced each > >capacitor I installed and checked the ones that were polorized for > >orientation. They are OK. I went thru and tested each resistor and > >they were within about a 10% tolerance. > > > >I now get a couple of faint SW stations, one faint AM station which the > >sound is garbled, and not much in the volume department. > > > >What sould I look for next? > > > >Other than a VOM with logic tester I have no tools, yet. > >My electronics experience is repairing pinball machines. :) > > > > > >Brian > > Make sure the antenna is connected. > > Tune in a very faint station. Put a dot using a fine point permanent > marker next to the slot in the adjustment screw marking where the > screw is set on top or the side of the large section of the tuning > capacitor. Use a screwdriver to turn the screw tighter and looser and > see if that makes an improvement. If not, put it back where it was. > Don't mess with the screw connected to the smaller section of the > tuner. > > Do the same on each screw on the top of the IF transformers. Mark > them, turn them, listen for a peak in volume. Don't turn them more > than a half revolution. You might get an improvement by doing this. > > This is a poor man's alignment lacking a signal generator. > > Blacksmith > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 341468 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: I bet you're a "radiotrician" and don't know it! Date: 3 Sep 2006 19:03:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1157335436.041694.77810@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: Mark Oppat wrote: > Yep, seen that one. Just like RCA only referring to tubes as "Radiotrons" > in the early days. > > But, I have a better idea. If you add the suffix "ologist" to your job > title, you can charge 10 X more for what you do! > > Example, I fix radios. My buddy is a "Radiologist". He makes about 10 X > what I make! > > My pal Dan is a Roofer. He could be a "Roofologist". > > just a thought. At least nobody ribs him for having " a bad case of shingles" Article: 341469 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carl WA1KPD" References: Subject: Re: AK-55 Again- Odd feedback Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:05:44 -0400 Message-ID: Well they are shown as electrolytics, just in the 2 - 3mfd range. have used 10s in the circuit That would be interesting, as the other problem I have is very low voltage on the first AF plate (15V) and somewhat low on the output plates (175V). Every resistance, etc is on the mark. I used 10mfd in the other restoration I did and it seems fine. This has a bit of distortion as the rf gain is brought up and I can see the signal flat top. Oh well tomorrow is another day -- Carl WA1KPD Visit My Boatanchor Collection at http://home.comcast.net/~chnord/wa1kpd.html "Brenda Ann" wrote in message news:edfj3a$cc2$1@news2.kornet.net... > > > -- > Say no to institutionalized interference. > Just say NO to HD/IBOC! > "Carl WA1KPD" wrote in message > news:PsqdnajHsNPwdWfZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... >> OK Got it all working, sounding nice but one last little problem. >> >> When turned on there is about 3 seconds of loud feedback of variable >> frequency (high to low) that occurs almost immediately. Then as the >> tubes warm up it quickly goes away. >> The only deviation from specs I have made its to use 10 mfd filter caps >> instead of the 2 called for. >> Any thoughts? > > Personally, I suspect the filters. I've read in several places that those > are pretty critical, and should not even be replaced with electrolytics in > this radio. Am I remembering wrongly, anyone? > > > Article: 341470 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: fa - 6.3v illuminator power supply Date: 3 Sep 2006 19:12:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1157335965.633113.305960@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44fb092f$0$19747$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> William Noble wrote: > this microscope illuminator I'm selling on e-bay is really a tapped 6.3V > transformer with a control switch - if you would like to be able to vary > filament voltage from about 5.5 to 6.5 V, (actually more if input is 120 > rather than 115), this could be useful to you - here's the link. Oh, and of > course if you put a gooseneck on it and a 20 watt 6V bulb, it would be a > really nice bench light. Actually, I'm saving to buy some 12V trucker lights at Pilot to use the Ford spotlight bezel you sold me with a Guide T-3 headlamp, cut out in back, and some Honda Trail parts to build head, taillights and signals and adding some motorcycle buckets that lock to the rear, where the battery will go. But since the rear hub? went and I have no brakes, now I am also looking for a real Schwinn to put them on. If you'd like to go and draw up plans for the brake sensor using a 555 that you mentioned to me once, contact me privately as I'd be willing to pay for the plans or working system at some point near next month. Article: 341471 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Back from vacation Date: 3 Sep 2006 19:15:42 -0700 Message-ID: <1157336142.912995.162340@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <332-44FB845F-1@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> Ken G. wrote: > I was gone for 2 weeks if anyone else was needing something . I cant get > the forum to ``work`` tonight ..so ? I found a post office card in my > mailbox with a familiar name on it .I hope the PO keeps things for a > while as i was not expecting anything from anyone . I will check on it > tuesday . > > Thanks Good to see you are done vacating and the house wasn't missing when you got back. Article: 341472 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1975-44FB3814-823@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net> <3287-44FB5858-47@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Speak now, or forever hold your pieces Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:23:03 GMT You used to get 6-10 a day, and I just stated the most I've received was around 5. However there's a big difference. The TV's requiring service were typically 5-10 years old, requiring a few minutes of basic troubleshooting and then the replacement of the couple of components. I'm receiving radios that are anywhere from 40-75 years old, and even if it works perfectly we're talking about a couple hours minimum to replace all the paper caps, electrolytics, frayed wiring, and whatever else needs checking. With a conversion it involves removing the original components, drilling out rivets (ugh!), cleaning up the case sections, cleaning and lubricating the tuning assembly, doing a total detailing of the dial and trim, painting the case, and then assembling it with a new PCB. Usually the cleaning and detailing takes up a lot more time than the actual conversion. Of course the prices take all this into account. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Bill Sheppard" wrote in message news:3287-44FB5858-47@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net... >Whats the most radios you ever got in >one day? to repair. cuhulin Not radios, but back in the days of tube TVs, six to ten a day would be typical (that's working 5½ days a week). Sometimes a real "dog" would come along that had to be put on the side and worked on during slow periods. Radios amounted to a very small percentage of repairs. Bill(oc) Article: 341473 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DumpsterDiver" Subject: Grebe CR-12 Help Request Date: 3 Sep 2006 19:31:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1157337082.025990.246790@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Anybody have an operating manual for this beast, and willing to sell me a legible copy? After having one of these early 1920's sets for a long time as a display piece, I figured it would be an excellent "rainy weekend project" to get up and running. Now, after half a gallon of DeoxIT and a couple of The Wife's nail files spent in getting all the switch and socket contact points de-crudded, and the trusty ARBE III power supply (shameless plug!) adjusted to light up the 4 01-A tubes, I find that everything seems to be in order, but the performance is way short of what I had read about this set. The earlier Grebes I have worked on (CR-8 & CR-9) seem to be every bit as sensitive and selective and a heck of a lot easier to tune. Various experts and gurus have touted this model as about the best of pre-1925 technology, both selectivity, and sensitivity-wise. Maybe it's just my ignorance (and lack of an operating manual), but I have found it - so far, at least - to be a fussy, inconsistent and frustrating box of inscrutable diddle-knobs. The "Regeneration" control, in particular, is unlike any I have run across in other sets of similar vintage (a 200 Ohms rheostat in series with a variometer in the grid circuit of an RF amplifier stage ... how the BLEEP is THAT sposed ta work?!) Tuning seems to be a pot-luck combination of the "Aerial Switch", "Primary Wave-Length" and "Secondary Wave-Length" controls, with all of them interacting. I have traced the circuitry end to end and I can't find anything that looks out of line with regard to resistance, operating voltage, etc., all of the parts appear to be factory original, and I'm pretty sure I haven't missed any open windings, off-spec grid leak, bad solder joints or stuff like that. Thanks, DD Article: 341474 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: AK-55 Again- Odd feedback Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:41:23 GMT The original filter caps in this radio are not electrolytic; they're oil based. Actually they're not as failure prone as electrolytics and in most cases they still check good after all these years. However if you do replace them, go back and check your wiring. It seems to me there's something funny about the filters; the lead you think is common negative, isn't, and I don't believe the negative lead goes to ground. People make this mistake, and a lot of these radios do weird things as a result. When I brought home my AK-60, a friend told me that I probably won't have to change the oil caps. Of course a near-80-year-old radio gets these things checked out of force of habit, so I unsoldered certain leads and checked it with my capacitance bridge. I got all kinds of funny readings because I couldn't determine which lead was which -- but no matter where I checked, no leakage showed, so I put the leads back where they were, checked over the rest of the radio, and now I listen to it every day with those original filters. Again, go back and check your wiring. If you're sure of that, you might want to check the tubes to see if one might be microphonic or leaky -- that's my wild guess anyway. Again my little voice keeps saying it must be a hetrodyne whistle, but on this model you first need to find a hetrodyne before you can make it whistle. Makes about as much sense as tapping the volume control for signal -- I suppose on this set you have to forget everything you know and start over. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Carl WA1KPD" wrote in message news:RaWdnYUMkeBnFGbZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Well they are shown as electrolytics, just in the 2 - 3mfd range. have > used 10s in the circuit > > That would be interesting, as the other problem I have is very low voltage > on the first AF plate (15V) and somewhat low on the output plates (175V). > Every resistance, etc is on the mark. > > I used 10mfd in the other restoration I did and it seems fine. This has a > bit of distortion as the rf gain is brought up and I can see the signal > flat top. > > Oh well tomorrow is another day > > -- > Carl > WA1KPD > Visit My Boatanchor Collection at > http://home.comcast.net/~chnord/wa1kpd.html > > "Brenda Ann" wrote in message > news:edfj3a$cc2$1@news2.kornet.net... >> >> >> -- >> Say no to institutionalized interference. >> Just say NO to HD/IBOC! >> "Carl WA1KPD" wrote in message >> news:PsqdnajHsNPwdWfZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... >>> OK Got it all working, sounding nice but one last little problem. >>> >>> When turned on there is about 3 seconds of loud feedback of variable >>> frequency (high to low) that occurs almost immediately. Then as the >>> tubes warm up it quickly goes away. >>> The only deviation from specs I have made its to use 10 mfd filter caps >>> instead of the 2 called for. >>> Any thoughts? >> >> Personally, I suspect the filters. I've read in several places that those >> are pretty critical, and should not even be replaced with electrolytics >> in this radio. Am I remembering wrongly, anyone? >> >> >> > > Article: 341475 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Rick Subject: Re: 1951 Garrard model 70 record changer Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 22:40:37 -0400 Message-ID: <44FB9225.84B515E9@rcn.com> References: N Cook wrote: > > N Cook wrote in message > news:ed6k7k$h4n$1@inews.gazeta.pl... > > Anyone happen to know what the mechanism is that moves the tonearm back to > > the outermost rest position. > > Everything else works, dropping the arm at the 8 inch and 10 inch > position, > > innermost trigger and arm lift works but leaves the arm over the record > > rather than swings it ourt of the way. > > I'm wondering if some linkage is missing, no known history for this deck > and > > not seen working by me or the owner but I cannot fathom out any such > action > > from what is underneath. > > > > > > I reckon a plate must be missing. > There is a proper roller with positional adjustment that does not engage > with anything at any time in the cycling, but I reckon should run along the > edge of some missing plate. > Roller is connected to the plate under the tonearm, rotating with the > tonearm. > There is also a hole in the linkage that activates the up/down pin through > the tonearm pivot , I reckon a plate should be connected to that up/down > linkage through that otherwise non functional hole. > When the up/down linkage is moved it would move the missing plate to engage > the roller and push the tonearm outwards. > If anyone is familiar with such mechanisms I could take some close up pics > and post on a website. The plate, or cam, is likely there. But it's held in place with a set screw which may be missing or have worked loose. The swing arm cam should be engaging - and rotating at the same time - as the cam which lifts the tone arm is engaging. The swing arm cam should be back to back with the cam which lifts the tone arm. Considering how freakin' complex some of those Garrard mechanisms were it's highly unlikely someone would/could have removed the swing arm cam and managed to get the rest of the unit put back together. 8-) Rick Article: 341476 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Message-ID: <8uMKg.1106$YZ3.1033@trnddc03> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:48:36 GMT Hmmm . . . if I had one of those radios I described, maybe I could update it with the 5 band. I'd also like to retrofit the pop-up screen so it will also display slow-scan TV and facsimile. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:KNedndW_2dZb-GbZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com... >> will include not only an equalizer and dbx 3-range [sic] expander... > > 5-band expander/compressor, the 5BX. I'm thinking of selling mine. > > Article: 341477 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Carl WA1KPD" References: Subject: Re: AK-55 Again- Odd feedback Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:42:32 -0400 Message-ID: Thanks Gary. It is definitely audio related- Something is feeding back for just about 3 seconds when it is first turned on. Yeah I made the mistake of grounding the filter caps and this group pointed it out. I replaced the 80 with some diodes and I am beginning to suspect that "fix" -- Carl WA1KPD Visit My Boatanchor Collection at http://home.comcast.net/~chnord/wa1kpd.html "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:nnMKg.1103$YZ3.801@trnddc03... > The original filter caps in this radio are not electrolytic; they're oil > based. Actually they're not as failure prone as electrolytics and in most > cases they still check good after all these years. However if you do > replace them, go back and check your wiring. It seems to me there's > something funny about the filters; the lead you think is common negative, > isn't, and I don't believe the negative lead goes to ground. People make > this mistake, and a lot of these radios do weird things as a result. > > When I brought home my AK-60, a friend told me that I probably won't have > to change the oil caps. Of course a near-80-year-old radio gets these > things checked out of force of habit, so I unsoldered certain leads and > checked it with my capacitance bridge. I got all kinds of funny readings > because I couldn't determine which lead was which -- but no matter where I > checked, no leakage showed, so I put the leads back where they were, > checked over the rest of the radio, and now I listen to it every day with > those original filters. > > Again, go back and check your wiring. If you're sure of that, you might > want to check the tubes to see if one might be microphonic or leaky -- > that's my wild guess anyway. Again my little voice keeps saying it must > be a hetrodyne whistle, but on this model you first need to find a > hetrodyne before you can make it whistle. Makes about as much sense as > tapping the volume control for signal -- I suppose on this set you have to > forget everything you know and start over. > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com > > > "Carl WA1KPD" wrote in message > news:RaWdnYUMkeBnFGbZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> Well they are shown as electrolytics, just in the 2 - 3mfd range. have >> used 10s in the circuit >> >> That would be interesting, as the other problem I have is very low >> voltage on the first AF plate (15V) and somewhat low on the output plates >> (175V). Every resistance, etc is on the mark. >> >> I used 10mfd in the other restoration I did and it seems fine. This has a >> bit of distortion as the rf gain is brought up and I can see the signal >> flat top. >> >> Oh well tomorrow is another day >> >> -- >> Carl >> WA1KPD >> Visit My Boatanchor Collection at >> http://home.comcast.net/~chnord/wa1kpd.html >> >> "Brenda Ann" wrote in message >> news:edfj3a$cc2$1@news2.kornet.net... >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Say no to institutionalized interference. >>> Just say NO to HD/IBOC! >>> "Carl WA1KPD" wrote in message >>> news:PsqdnajHsNPwdWfZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@comcast.com... >>>> OK Got it all working, sounding nice but one last little problem. >>>> >>>> When turned on there is about 3 seconds of loud feedback of variable >>>> frequency (high to low) that occurs almost immediately. Then as the >>>> tubes warm up it quickly goes away. >>>> The only deviation from specs I have made its to use 10 mfd filter caps >>>> instead of the 2 called for. >>>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Personally, I suspect the filters. I've read in several places that >>> those are pretty critical, and should not even be replaced with >>> electrolytics in this radio. Am I remembering wrongly, anyone? >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > Article: 341478 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: AK-55 Again- Odd feedback Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:54:07 +0900 Message-ID: References: -- Say no to institutionalized interference. Just say NO to HD/IBOC! "Carl WA1KPD" wrote in message news:ibCdncCvTsg3PWbZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Thanks Gary. > It is definitely audio related- Something is feeding back for just about 3 > seconds when it is first turned on. > Yeah I made the mistake of grounding the filter caps and this group > pointed it out. > I replaced the 80 with some diodes and I am beginning to suspect that > "fix" That can cause problems in older sets where part of the warmup counts on the slow buildup of the B voltage lines. The combination of the relatively large electrolytics and the instant on nature of the silicon rectifiers complicates things. Article: 341479 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" References: <1157324438.006609.89540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Should I buy this radio? (Zenith 6-D-510) Message-ID: <7zNKg.124232$FQ1.34555@attbi_s71> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 04:02:11 GMT Hi! > Buy it if you like it. Don't pay too much. I do like the design, especially of the dial. I wouldn't even think about buying/collecting a radio if I didn't like it...unless of course it was about to meet a bad end. The price was $20. I was thinking of offering $10. > If the speaker has a few tears in the cone, it can be patched. There > are a few threads here about that subject. If the cone is trashed, it's > a big deal to get it reconed. Many speaker shops can't do it. That's the kicker. The speaker plays, but it's extremely scratchy, weak and the cone is riddled with holes, especially around the outer rim/surround. I think I'll give this one a miss, or let it sit a while longer until it gets cheaper. > AC/DC sets take a long time to warm up. I hadn't seen that behavior with the ones I've restored. They start about as quickly as my other sets with transformers do. I make it a habit to do a recap before playing a radio often. William Article: 341480 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William R. Walsh" Subject: Sparton 1037 Console followed me home... Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 04:14:18 GMT A few weeks ago I saw a Sparton 1037 console (with turntable, but I'll bet each 1037 came with one) in an antique store that was moving out of a building. Even though it has an FM band, I didn't want to give $75 for it, so I left it there. Today by what reason I came back to the store and saw this radio again, stacked on top of a bunch of other consoles. I asked about it and the price dropped to $30. That didn't seem bad, so it followed me home...along with a rather beaten up and badly broken DeWald C800 that I just couldn't leave there (finally...an AM/postwar FM bakelite table set!!!). The Sparton hums mightily, so it'll need caps for sure. The dial light is good, the cabinet almost perfect and the tuning mechanism turns nicely with no sign of slippage. But something has happened to the dial cover. The "Sparton" name on it still looks good, but the plastic has turned "crinkly". It's flat to the touch, but looks like it has crinkles running through it. I also have knobs that slip on their shaft instead of turning it...the bandswitch knob in particular won't grab and turn the underlying switch rod. I have an idea about fixing the slipping knobs, but what (if anything) can I do about the dial cover? Does anyone make a replacement? I'm really looking forward to making this console play. Something tells me (or--more honestly--I hope) it's a good sounding unit. William Article: 341481 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Test Equipment From: Paul References: <44fb6e99$0$3216$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 04:56:08 GMT "Martin Crossley" wrote in news:44fb6e99$0$3216$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net: > Paul wrote: >> Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of >> getting a signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a >> good deal >> or is there a cheaper alternative? >> >> Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? >> >> >> Paul > > Well, it's not outrageously expensive, and if you must have a safe and > new one and have that sort of money just burning a hole in your back > pocket... But perfectly adequate service-grade test oscillators or > bottom-of-the-range signal generators (of dubious electrical safety > after 50 years, but easily restored for GBP2/ USD4 in capacitors, > flex. and plug and under an hour of work) can be had at amateur radio > rallies for around GBP10-20 here.(= at hamfests for around USD 20-40 > there?) > > Strongly recommended: > Isolating transformer and dim-bulb (just a lampholder in series with > its output, which will take various wattage lamps and even an old > US-type fuse) "Megger" or"Hi-Pot" to measure insulation resistance of > caps, transformers, etc. at 250V and 500Vdc or home-made PSU > (voltage-doubler fed from the isolating transformer?) and a voltmeter > or an old R-C bridge (restored) with magic eye which gives suitable > test voltages. A tuning wand with a brass end and a ferrite end. > A test 'speaker and output transformer. > A couple of capacitors, say 22uF/350V and 47nF/400V fitted with > (short) leads& crocodile clips. > Martin (Stockport) > > > > > Thanks for all the advice! Everyone who answered! I'm still not sure what I'm going to do, but you have pointed me in the right direction and I appreciate it. My new project is a Philco 610 I think its a 1936 model it is a tombstone with kinda indented sides, it has alot of bakelite blocks which should keep me busy for awhile, I got it off ebay for $62 which I think was a pretty good price, anyway I'm sure I'll have some questions as I work my way through this project, and I really appreciate the help i have received so far! Paul Article: 341482 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 01:03:45 -0400 Message-ID: I have the 3BX, didnt know there was a 4 or 5 BX! Damn! TWO better! Mark Oppat "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message news:KNedndW_2dZb-GbZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com... > > will include not only an equalizer and dbx 3-range [sic] expander... > > 5-band expander/compressor, the 5BX. I'm thinking of selling mine. > > > Article: 341483 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Back from vacation Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:50:59 -0600 Message-ID: <6738-44FBBEC3-46@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <44FB9C9F.6A66B7B9@earthlink.net> You were? ;-) I can see nothing has changed here . Article: 341484 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Back from vacation Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:53:01 -0600 Message-ID: <6739-44FBBF3D-8@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net> References: <1157336142.912995.162340@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Good to see you are done vacating and the house wasn't missing when you got back. Thanks Steve . House & cat still here . Article: 341485 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Back from vacation Date: 3 Sep 2006 23:39:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1157351996.735187.219100@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <44FB9C9F.6A66B7B9@earthlink.net> Ken G. wrote: > You were? ;-) > > > I can see nothing has changed here . I knew that for the last week for certain. Have some Almond Roca? Article: 341486 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Back from vacation Date: 3 Sep 2006 23:53:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1157352795.754737.61020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44FB9C9F.6A66B7B9@earthlink.net> Steven wrote: > Ken G. wrote: > > You were? ;-) > > > > > > I can see nothing has changed here . > > I knew that for the last week for certain. Have some Almond Roca? BTW I got my Zenith 10D2 chassis and let Nick work on it, as he's done one before and every socket was loose enough to give out Allied secrets. Good news was it's been recapped before and no crappy rubber insulation, plus it seems to be all there and the 15 inch speaker was a wonderous sight to behold. Is it supposed to have a dust cap? For 10 dollars and shipping (50.00) I got a pretty good deal, I think. I get some 12" coaxials (not the same), maybe a couple 8" woofers somewhere along the line and maybe a copy of Windows 2000 if he finds his coming back with it. Hey Ken, if you come across a Sony Digital 8mm camcorder and stuff for a good deal, let me know. Video production is the last part of my search before winter sets in and I can't afford to do much, other than a 100 MHz scope. Thanks. Article: 341487 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "N Cook" Subject: Re: 1951 Garrard model 70 record changer Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 07:54:32 +0100 Message-ID: References: <44FB9225.84B515E9@rcn.com> Rick wrote in message news:44FB9225.84B515E9@rcn.com... > N Cook wrote: > > > > N Cook wrote in message > > news:ed6k7k$h4n$1@inews.gazeta.pl... > > > Anyone happen to know what the mechanism is that moves the tonearm back to > > > the outermost rest position. > > > Everything else works, dropping the arm at the 8 inch and 10 inch > > position, > > > innermost trigger and arm lift works but leaves the arm over the record > > > rather than swings it ourt of the way. > > > I'm wondering if some linkage is missing, no known history for this deck > > and > > > not seen working by me or the owner but I cannot fathom out any such > > action > > > from what is underneath. > > > > > > > > > > I reckon a plate must be missing. > > There is a proper roller with positional adjustment that does not engage > > with anything at any time in the cycling, but I reckon should run along the > > edge of some missing plate. > > Roller is connected to the plate under the tonearm, rotating with the > > tonearm. > > There is also a hole in the linkage that activates the up/down pin through > > the tonearm pivot , I reckon a plate should be connected to that up/down > > linkage through that otherwise non functional hole. > > When the up/down linkage is moved it would move the missing plate to engage > > the roller and push the tonearm outwards. > > If anyone is familiar with such mechanisms I could take some close up pics > > and post on a website. > > The plate, or cam, is likely there. But it's held in place with a set > screw which may be missing or have worked loose. The swing arm cam > should be engaging - and rotating at the same time - as the cam which > lifts the tone arm is engaging. The swing arm cam should be back to back > with the cam which lifts the tone arm. Considering how freakin' complex > some of those Garrard mechanisms were it's highly unlikely someone > would/could have removed the swing arm cam and managed to get the rest > of the unit put back together. 8-) > > Rick I agree about the complexity, pics put on http://www.diversed.fsnet.co.uk/garrard.htm I've come to the conclusion that some mechanism must be missing associated with the roller identified in those pics. I've thought through a cam plate mechanism that will bridge that roller and the lifter arm linkage. When I received this one the tonearm would not swing across at all. Someone had obviously been in there and mounted the swing arm under the tonearm on the wrong side of the 8 inch/10 inch select end stop spigot. If I have time today I'll fashion up a cam plate shaped like a fat "," comma , out of aluminium and see if it does the job, at least no great forves involved. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ Article: 341488 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 4 Sep 2006 00:48:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1157356092.969158.47050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Mark Oppat wrote: > I have the 3BX, didnt know there was a 4 or 5 BX! Damn! TWO better! > > Mark Oppat > > > "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message > news:KNedndW_2dZb-GbZnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com... > > > will include not only an equalizer and dbx 3-range [sic] expander... > > > > 5-band expander/compressor, the 5BX. I'm thinking of selling mine. How spendy is that? Only dbx I have are the the 200 and 400x signal routers. Article: 341489 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 4 Sep 2006 00:57:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1157356646.525413.281450@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> "Gary Tayman" wrote in message news:x%CKg.1078$I71.606@trnddc01... > Time to chime in with MY thoughts! Let me guess, you already went to Home Repo and got the Moen plumbing for the platinum/carbon fiber kitchen sink and a Home Repo ball cap. But remember you'd have more stuff lying around than that poor fellow of which Dan showed his Italian hoard shack. Article: 341490 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Test Equipment Date: 4 Sep 2006 01:01:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1157356904.585429.47280@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> References: Paul wrote: > "Martin Crossley" wrote in > news:44fb6e99$0$3216$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net: > > > Paul wrote: > >> Need some advice, I have a good multimeter, but am thinking of > >> getting a signal generator, is the one AES sells for around $150 a > >> good deal > >> or is there a cheaper alternative? > >> > >> Or which other gear would you recommend for a newbie? > >> > >> > >> Paul > > > > Well, it's not outrageously expensive, and if you must have a safe and > > new one and have that sort of money just burning a hole in your back > > pocket... But perfectly adequate service-grade test oscillators or > > bottom-of-the-range signal generators (of dubious electrical safety > > after 50 years, but easily restored for GBP2/ USD4 in capacitors, > > flex. and plug and under an hour of work) can be had at amateur radio > > rallies for around GBP10-20 here.(= at hamfests for around USD 20-40 > > there?) > > > > Strongly recommended: > > Isolating transformer and dim-bulb (just a lampholder in series with > > its output, which will take various wattage lamps and even an old > > US-type fuse) "Megger" or"Hi-Pot" to measure insulation resistance of > > caps, transformers, etc. at 250V and 500Vdc or home-made PSU > > (voltage-doubler fed from the isolating transformer?) and a voltmeter > > or an old R-C bridge (restored) with magic eye which gives suitable > > test voltages. A tuning wand with a brass end and a ferrite end. > > A test 'speaker and output transformer. > > A couple of capacitors, say 22uF/350V and 47nF/400V fitted with > > (short) leads& crocodile clips. > > Martin (Stockport) > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the advice! > Everyone who answered! > > I'm still not sure what I'm going to do, but you > have pointed me in the right direction and I appreciate it. > > My new project is a Philco 610 I think its a 1936 > model it is a tombstone with kinda indented sides, > it has alot of bakelite blocks which should keep me busy > for awhile, I got it off ebay for $62 which I think was a > pretty good price, anyway I'm sure I'll have some questions > as I work my way through this project, and I really appreciate > the help i have received so far! > > Paul Good job, and I'm sure eBay was thrilled to have it removed from over the top of them too : ) It sounds like great fun and a good time to practice cursing in other tongues! Article: 341491 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Transistor T-0s at 19M and Above Date: 4 Sep 2006 01:23:23 -0700 Message-ID: <1157358203.495367.105230@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <1157286527.425892.159160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> DeeExxx wrote: > Hi, > I have two transistor T-Os, a 1000 and a 7000 (the older version of the > 7000). The 1000 was professionally serviced and re-aligned. The 7000 > does not seem to need realignment. However, both radios don't seem to > respond much on 19M and above. I have a lot of QRM at my location , > most of it self-inflicted with PCs and various other RF emitters. I > also live near an airport and there are strong harmonics in the MF and > lower HF bands. I've tried the 19M and higher bands during afternoons, > and there is not much difference. If anyone can give my some insight as > to this deafness, I'd be most grateful. BTW, I was a tech long ago, but > I leave the alignment to an EE pal of mine. > Thanks I was getting Air America at 1600? from maybe Portland on a Royal 880 about a week or so back and I suspect there's been a recent peak in e-skip on MW *just a hunch*, but I don't know about 19 meters. as I haven't been there for awhile, but if you say it's dead between 15-17 MHz, is it actually dead, are you getting birdies as I would if my 'crappy' noisy computer stuff was on, or is the band just dead at this time from poor propagation thank to that lucky old sun? Phil Nelson's website http://www.antiqueradio.org/welcome.htm and Peter Wieck are quite knowledged about T-Os and Phil should have a page on the 7000s that will be of great help to you Article: 341492 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Zenith Console Stereo SF2580 Date: 4 Sep 2006 03:49:44 -0700 Message-ID: <1157366984.458968.24360@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1156878453.457191.10130@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Thanks Gary for all your clear and helpful information! Well, the rain from Ernesto finally stopped, so I had chance to go out and swap those 12AT7 tubes. Tried several, and they basically had the same result: FM would work for a short time, and cut out. I also noticed a lot of noise, like a popping/clicking sound while the FM was playing. Similar to a badly scratched record. So - this freeze spray: would the drug store variety (typically used to remove warts) work? I can get that more readily that going to an electronics store. And how would I keep it away from the tubes and other components? I'm thinking a cardboard tube from toilet paper might do the trick. Now, let's pretend, shall we? Let's say I use the freeze spray and find the offending IF transformer. What next? How difficult are they to replace? At a cursory glance, it would appear that those cans just snap into place. I haven't looked underneath yet to see how they are connected, nor see how they're attached to the chassis. Assuming I can sort all that out, where would I find a suitable replacement? Or even determine the right replacement? (no schematic) Thanks again, Gerry P.S. - Scored a replacement NOS Electro-Voice EV26 Cartridge for the Cobra-Matic changer on eBay for only $6.00. Now let's hope the tiny rubber bridge still in useable condition! Article: 341493 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 04:24:34 -0700 Message-ID: > I have the 3BX, didn't know there was a 4 or 5 BX! Damn! TWO better! Not only that... It can also compress, and... It has five bands of transient expansion (!!!), with individual thresholds and... The transient expansion can be used while you're compressing! (Yes, you read that right.) Cordless remote, multiple memories, flashy display (dimmable, I think), etc... Article: 341494 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1157356092.969158.47050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 04:26:37 -0700 Message-ID: >> 5-band expander/compressor, the 5BX. I'm thinking of selling mine. > How spendy is that? Only dbx I have are the the 200 and 400x signal > routers. Spendy. When I bought mine, it was a direct import for $750. They go for $900 to $1000 (sometimes a bit higher) on eBay. I have 200 for sale. (I've switched to the 400X.) Article: 341495 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DeeExxx" Subject: Re: Transistor T-0s at 19M and Above Date: 4 Sep 2006 04:57:20 -0700 Message-ID: <1157371040.144423.96980@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1157286527.425892.159160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Steven wrote: > DeeExxx wrote: > > Hi, > > I have two transistor T-Os, a 1000 and a 7000 (the older version of the > > 7000). The 1000 was professionally serviced and re-aligned. The 7000 > > does not seem to need realignment. However, both radios don't seem to > > respond much on 19M and above. I have a lot of QRM at my location , > > most of it self-inflicted with PCs and various other RF emitters. I > > also live near an airport and there are strong harmonics in the MF and > > lower HF bands. I've tried the 19M and higher bands during afternoons, > > and there is not much difference. If anyone can give my some insight as > > to this deafness, I'd be most grateful. BTW, I was a tech long ago, but > > I leave the alignment to an EE pal of mine. > > Thanks > > I was getting Air America at 1600? from maybe Portland on a Royal 880 > about a week or so back and I suspect there's been a recent peak in > e-skip on MW *just a hunch*, but I don't know about 19 meters. as I > haven't been there for awhile, but if you say it's dead between 15-17 > MHz, is it actually dead, are you getting birdies as I would if my > 'crappy' noisy computer stuff was on, or is the band just dead at this > time from poor propagation thank to that lucky old sun? > > Phil Nelson's website http://www.antiqueradio.org/welcome.htm and > Peter Wieck are quite knowledged about T-Os and Phil should have a page > on the 7000s that will be of great help to you Yeah, thanks, I am aware of Phil and I will e-mail him. I need to borrow a signal gen and see if the radios actually respond. I am getting noise and sometimes hear RTTY signals on these bands. Article: 341496 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" Subject: Fantasy test equipment Message-ID: <3yUKg.2662$%75.2017@trnddc05> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:58:55 GMT I recently described a fantasy radio . . .what about test equipment? While cleaning the bench I came up with a no-brainer idea. Actually I think about this EVERY time I clean, but this time I decided to talk about it. Why can't the test equipment people, or why couldn't they have 40 years ago, come up with a small, standard, stackable design for bench testers? It would sure make our lives easier, both as breadwinners and as hobbyists. Every so often the subject comes up about what is the best test equipment to get. Every time the answers are similar -- Eico is simple to use and rugged, Heathkit makes some good pieces that are easily found at swap meets, you can make one yourself from a Teddy Ruxpin doll and a hairpin, others chime in with a few other assorted brands, and then there's always one or two folks that have to chime in with "I'll never touch my 4 tube Emerson with anything less than a ZINGBAT 6000, with absolute zero measurable harmonics, quadrillionth-of-a-nanovolt sensitivity, and accuracy to 0.0000001%." (Makes you wonder if one of these can measure the harmonics of another one.) But the aspect of a footprint is NEVER brought up. In the interest of cleaning my bench, while trying to make it more effective, I've been trying to figure out just how to arrange the test equipment I have -- but it's like trying to put a round peg into a square hole. As much praise as I have for Eico's simplicity, these pieces are the absolute worst in terms of giving them a permanent home. Not only are they tall, but you can't stack them anyway because of the big handles. Maybe you can set one on top of something else, but that something else is usually narrower, thinner, smaller, or has some other form of bump on top of it. During the 70's, Heathkit actually did make some pieces that were low, flat on top, and had handles on the sides to allow stacking -- but even these were different sizes and shapes, and it seems the one you want to put on the bottom is always the smallest. Today you can buy some very small testers, but they are handheld -- definitely not stackable, and difficult to use on a bench because they flop all over the place in positions where you can't read them. Away back when I was in school (mid-1970's), some rep from Tektronix came by and demonstrated some of their "new" bench equipment. They showed off a piece that seemed to include everything in one box -- a function generator, frequency counter, scope, VTVM, signal tracer, and possibly some other stuff. Of course I'm sure it cost a gazillion dollars, and you don't see too many of these around because most independent techs would prefer to make money rather than spend it. But the "all in one" concept was a great one -- if only Eico or Heathkit had come up with a modular concept, I bet the idea would have revolutionized the trade. As it is now, I've got a power supply (rack mount, down below), a Heathkit B+ power supply, an Eico signal generator sitting on top of the Heathkit, a B&K VTVM, A solid state Eico signal tracer, a Heathkit frequency counter (on the shelf below), and a Simpson digital meter. Although the Simpson is the smallest piece, I located it below the bench on top of the frequency counter for lack of space! Some of the "duplicate" equipment, such as an RCA Senior VoltOhmist, will go to another bench in the garage. Other pieces such as a scope and AF generator will sit on shelves until I need them. Yes I do have a roll cart, in the garage, presently taken up by a tube tester. Come to think of it, that Teddy Ruxpin would be cute idea. When you locate the bad component his hands would go up in the air and he would yell, "touchdown!" -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 341497 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DeeExxx" Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment Date: 4 Sep 2006 05:14:27 -0700 Message-ID: <1157372067.502389.20600@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <3yUKg.2662$%75.2017@trnddc05> Gary Tayman wrote: > I recently described a fantasy radio . . .what about test equipment? > > While cleaning the bench I came up with a no-brainer idea. Actually I think > about this EVERY time I clean, but this time I decided to talk about it. > > Why can't the test equipment people, or why couldn't they have 40 years ago, > come up with a small, standard, stackable design for bench testers? It > would sure make our lives easier, both as breadwinners and as hobbyists. > > Every so often the subject comes up about what is the best test equipment to > get. Every time the answers are similar -- Eico is simple to use and > rugged, Heathkit makes some good pieces that are easily found at swap meets, > you can make one yourself from a Teddy Ruxpin doll and a hairpin, others > chime in with a few other assorted brands, and then there's always one or > two folks that have to chime in with "I'll never touch my 4 tube Emerson > with anything less than a ZINGBAT 6000, with absolute zero measurable > harmonics, quadrillionth-of-a-nanovolt sensitivity, and accuracy to > 0.0000001%." (Makes you wonder if one of these can measure the harmonics of > another one.) But the aspect of a footprint is NEVER brought up. > > In the interest of cleaning my bench, while trying to make it more > effective, I've been trying to figure out just how to arrange the test > equipment I have -- but it's like trying to put a round peg into a square > hole. As much praise as I have for Eico's simplicity, these pieces are the > absolute worst in terms of giving them a permanent home. Not only are they > tall, but you can't stack them anyway because of the big handles. Maybe you > can set one on top of something else, but that something else is usually > narrower, thinner, smaller, or has some other form of bump on top of it. > > During the 70's, Heathkit actually did make some pieces that were low, flat > on top, and had handles on the sides to allow stacking -- but even these > were different sizes and shapes, and it seems the one you want to put on the > bottom is always the smallest. Today you can buy some very small testers, > but they are handheld -- definitely not stackable, and difficult to use on a > bench because they flop all over the place in positions where you can't read > them. > > Away back when I was in school (mid-1970's), some rep from Tektronix came by > and demonstrated some of their "new" bench equipment. They showed off a > piece that seemed to include everything in one box -- a function generator, > frequency counter, scope, VTVM, signal tracer, and possibly some other > stuff. Of course I'm sure it cost a gazillion dollars, and you don't see > too many of these around because most independent techs would prefer to make > money rather than spend it. But the "all in one" concept was a great one -- > if only Eico or Heathkit had come up with a modular concept, I bet the idea > would have revolutionized the trade. > > As it is now, I've got a power supply (rack mount, down below), a Heathkit > B+ power supply, an Eico signal generator sitting on top of the Heathkit, a > B&K VTVM, A solid state Eico signal tracer, a Heathkit frequency counter (on > the shelf below), and a Simpson digital meter. Although the Simpson is the > smallest piece, I located it below the bench on top of the frequency counter > for lack of space! Some of the "duplicate" equipment, such as an RCA Senior > VoltOhmist, will go to another bench in the garage. Other pieces such as a > scope and AF generator will sit on shelves until I need them. > > Yes I do have a roll cart, in the garage, presently taken up by a tube > tester. > > Come to think of it, that Teddy Ruxpin would be cute idea. When you locate > the bad component his hands would go up in the air and he would yell, > "touchdown!" > -- > Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical > Sound Solutions For Classic Cars > http://www.taymanelectrical.com Actually, this is the trend in the audio world...test equipment is PC hosted. I have seen some for RF work too, but most of it is pitched to the snoops and is priced accordingly. I see no reason why general purpose RF test equipment can't be PC hosted at a reasonable price...DMM apps for PCs have been around a long time and all the other common bench equipment could be hosted on a PC card. We'd still need free-floating grid dip meters, test speakers, dummy loads and variacs. I used to lust after GenRad chain-drive BFO frequency response rigs that "all included" were kilobucks. Now you can buy a FFT analyzer card and cal'd mic for your PC for $500 or less. Sencore makes a number of combo instruments, but I think these are free-standing and not PC hosted, need to look at their current catalog. I remember the Tektronix cases with the backplane for the test equipment. I put a test set for a Aux Power Unit of a gas turbine together out of one. I wonder if they are still made or can be picked up on the secondary market. Article: 341498 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "electron@grapevine.net" Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment Date: 4 Sep 2006 05:40:49 -0700 Message-ID: <1157373649.611835.8870@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <3yUKg.2662$%75.2017@trnddc05> Gary Tayman wrote: > I recently described a fantasy radio . . .what about test equipment? > > While cleaning the bench I came up with a no-brainer idea. Actually I think > about this EVERY time I clean, but this time I decided to talk about it. > > Why can't the test equipment people, or why couldn't they have 40 years ago, > come up with a small, standard, stackable design for bench testers? It > would sure make our lives easier, both as breadwinners and as hobbyists Hi Gary, Hickok did make what you've described, to a point; smaller rectangular stackable individual test pieces. I ended up with the following 'stack' in one of the estate buy outs I did a few years ago, but can't say how well they work (never have plugged them in/checked them.) Model 334 Digital Multimeter 3 1/2 digit Model 217 Semiconductor Analyzer w/analog meter Model 244 Adj.DC Power Supply 0-14.5V 3A Max. w/analog meter Model 256 RF Generator 100Khz-16Mhz + CB Freq 27 Mhz 8 1/2" width, 6" deep, all four pieces stack 17" high (the generator's the tall one) Evidently intended for mobile/comm work (as the power supply is labeled) The Hickok Model 5900 Function Generator (I have one of those too) has the same 8 1/2" width, but does have handles that project out the front and the case is deeper. Hickok may have had several more specialty pieces in 8 1/2" width at the time (~mid 70's? No dates on the OEM manuals I got with the 'stack'.) -Robert QTS http://www.Braught.com Article: 341499 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Rt309ragpicker@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Fisher STV-875 speakers-need specs Date: 4 Sep 2006 05:43:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1157373836.194234.310950@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1157315400.855166.86630@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > duty-honor-country aka Charlie Nudowrote: > > I'm not a crook! > > Take your crap somewhere else, Bozo. > Notice Charlies new address, all his sock puppet accounts were banned by Google for what else, ABUSE. Article: 341500 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "terry" Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment Date: 4 Sep 2006 05:47:35 -0700 Message-ID: <1157374055.334938.178150@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <3yUKg.2662$%75.2017@trnddc05> DeeExxx wrote: > Gary Tayman wrote: > > I recently described a fantasy radio . . .what about test equipment? > > > > While cleaning the bench I came up with a no-brainer idea. Actually I think > > about this EVERY time I clean, but this time I decided to talk about it. > > > > Why can't the test equipment people, or why couldn't they have 40 years ago, > > come up with a small, standard, stackable design for bench testers? It > > would sure make our lives easier, both as breadwinners and as hobbyists. > > ........................................ snipped .............................. . Thanks for the discussion; cos been wondering the same! Despite we have a 13 foot (two 78 inch doors end to end), 'Electronics bench' with shelves above, along one wall of a separate but cluttered room, been thinking of mounting test gear etc. on a six foot high, 19 inch rack with castors on base. Couple of heavy power supplies on bottom to keep it stable? And an old ex telephone company 'writing shelf' half way up. Couple of rack mount sig generators and other 'testers' mounted on suitable adapter panels or brackets, above that. Or would I be creating a monster? Of course could always take the very old piano; sort of been keeping for years for someone in mind outside door of the 'electronics room' (doesn't that sound grand? :-) ) at bottom of the stairs and put some clutter out there. Problem is we built this house ourselves in the 1970s and rarely throw anything away! Cheers. Article: 341501 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "terry" Subject: Re: AK-55 Again- Odd feedback Date: 4 Sep 2006 06:03:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1157375025.822836.268210@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: Brenda Ann wrote: > -- > That can cause problems in older sets where part of the warmup counts on the > slow buildup of the B voltage lines. The combination of the relatively large > electrolytics and the instant on nature of the silicon rectifiers > complicates things. .............................................. Was going to say same. Diodes give instant B+, before tubes warm up and draw current. So a 250 DC volt B+ could peak for a short while at, say 350 volts? Then settle down to 'normal'? Assuming, cos of the 80 rectifier it is a transformer set. Suggestion re negative end of filter caps. Could be there is a choke or speaker energizing winding in the negative return to the power transformer and it's a bit tricky where the 'grounded' (negative) end of the filter caps should be wired? Article: 341502 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: OT: sort of. Zenith joke. Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 13:24:57 GMT Stolen from another forum elsewhere. A young woman worked as a secretary for Zenith and had been there several years. She noticed that all of the other corporate secretaries had their names listed on the front office, but her name wasn't displayed. She made an appointment with the CEO and asked why. He replied, "It's a simple explanation." The CEO stood up in front of his desk, unzipped his pants and pointed to his member. He continued by explaining, "This is quality. And the quality goes in, before the name goes on." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341503 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Art's Antique Radios" Subject: WTB: Scott Knobs Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 09:07:14 -0500 Message-ID: I am looking for a complete set of knobs for a Scott Philharmonic. Original or repro. Can you help? Article: 341504 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? References: <10288-44F4C710-951@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:10:18 GMT Tim Mullen wrote: > That's the difference between potential and kinetic energy. Then there's Addams Family energy. From the paper back book published in 1968: "That Uncle Fester!" he chortled, and was joined by Granny, Morticia, Lurch , and the children in a maniacal chorus of whooping glee. Recovering a bit, Gomez found and lit another long panatela, explaining to Mr. Fedler as he did so, "Fester likes to fiddle with fuse boxes." A moment later, stair treads beneath the floor began to creak and groan and then Fester emerged from the cellar door at the rear of the hall beneath the main staircase. He was cobwebby and smoky with ancient gray dust, but his mouth lay wide-split in a foolish grin, and his deep sunken eyes shone like hot coals in their sockets. "So many wonderful wires---" he crooned, making two syllables out of the final word, and pat-a-caking his dusty palms together in childish rapture. "I made lock-switch bends in every one of them." "L-lock-switch . . ." faltered Mr. Fedler, blankly. "You know," grinned Gomez. "hooked the house wiring end-to-end so that the current keeps moving in a circle and has no place to get out. Saves marvelously on electric bills." Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341505 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul P" References: <1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Newby question after recap CGE H-70 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:26:27 GMT Just an outside chance: Perhaps if you stated a city that you were near one of us may be able to meet up with you and get you started in the right direction. I mean show you their shop, have you bring the radio over for an alignment, swap war stories, etc. If you are near Steeler territory (pittsburgh) I can me available. Paul. Article: 341506 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 09:35:46 -0500 From: Bill Cohn Subject: Re: Zenith Console Stereo SF2580 References: <1156878453.457191.10130@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1157366984.458968.24360@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Gerry, I believe when Gary was speaking about freeze spray he was referring to the type sold in electronic supply houses. As far as I know this in not the same as wart remover. The spray is used on components under the chassis not on top. This way you won't spray the hot tubes. They will break if you do. From the description of the pops and crashing noises it sound like a bad IF transformer. This is silver migration disease. The capacitors built into the base of the IF cans deteriorate and need to be replaced. This must be done by a rebuild of these parts as new IF cans are no longer available. The procedure for fixing these transformers was covered in a 1992 issue of "Antique Radio Classified" by Dan Shoo. I am not sure if anyone knows where you can get a copy of this but this will probably solve your problem with the FM section of this receiver. Regards, Bill Cohn gerryu21220@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks Gary for all your clear and helpful information! > > Well, the rain from Ernesto finally stopped, so I had chance to go out > and swap those 12AT7 tubes. Tried several, and they basically had the > same result: FM would work for a short time, and cut out. I also > noticed a lot of noise, like a popping/clicking sound while the FM was > playing. Similar to a badly scratched record. > > So - this freeze spray: would the drug store variety (typically used > to remove warts) work? I can get that more readily that going to an > electronics store. And how would I keep it away from the tubes and > other components? I'm thinking a cardboard tube from toilet paper > might do the trick. > > Now, let's pretend, shall we? Let's say I use the freeze spray and > find the offending IF transformer. What next? How difficult are they > to replace? At a cursory glance, it would appear that those cans just > snap into place. I haven't looked underneath yet to see how they are > connected, nor see how they're attached to the chassis. Assuming I can > sort all that out, where would I find a suitable replacement? Or even > determine the right replacement? (no schematic) > > > Thanks again, > Gerry > > P.S. - Scored a replacement NOS Electro-Voice EV26 Cartridge for the > Cobra-Matic changer on eBay for only $6.00. Now let's hope the tiny > rubber bridge still in useable condition! > Article: 341507 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment References: <3yUKg.2662$%75.2017@trnddc05> <1157372067.502389.20600@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157374055.334938.178150@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:36:19 GMT terry wrote: > Despite we have a 13 foot (two 78 inch doors end to end), 'Electronics > bench' with shelves above, along one wall of a separate but cluttered > room, been thinking of mounting test gear etc. on a six foot high, 19 > inch rack with castors on base. Couple of heavy power supplies on > bottom to keep it stable? And an old ex telephone company 'writing > shelf' half way up. Personally, I don't think that's an effective method for the test equipment. Rack mounting is for a large quantity of equipment that doesn't need to fiddled with. Or for production testing with a specific "panel" with everything you need right in front of you for a specific task. The rest of the rack holds the equipment to support that "test" panel. An "ideal" work bench has depth to it, and depth to the shelf above it. For exmaple, a full 4x8 sheet of plywood for the desk top. Covered with laminate and then with a soft work surface in the "working area." And a 2 foot deep shelf above that. This way, you can organize you test equipment on the shelf, and behind the "object of your desires." For most repair work, a signal generator, a scope, and various power supplies and metering stuff is adequate. Tool box on the left and soldering stuff on the right. With "common use" parts, such as wire, fuses, resistors, capacitors and the like under the shelf. Having equipment mounted in a cabinet adjacent to the work bench tends to make you have to work at 90 degrees to your project. It's rough on the eyes and the neck. Putting it behind the work at eye level, and the bench as "hand level" is the optimum situation for both ease and efficiency. Did I mention adequate lighting? And a outlet strip along the front edge of the bench? I run a commercial two-way radio shop. But I also do engineering, and work on vacuum tube stuff. As a result, I have over 30 feet of work benches and a pretty good pile of test equipment. Of course, there are some on this news group that insist that you can work with just a handheld meter off of a TV tray. Jeff > Of course could always take the very old piano That sounds like something Tim would do. (Not you Mullen, but the one that used to post here a few years back. With the one-eyed cat, and the fans that would burst into flames.) > Problem is we built this house ourselves in the 1970s and rarely > throw anything away! My parents had this one built in 1953. And both had grown up during the depression. "Put that back, someone's saving it!" And then there's Alan Douglas. Whom I suspect has everything he's ever owned at his place. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341508 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Back from vacation Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 08:49:06 -0600 Message-ID: <332-44FC3CE2-118@storefull-3238.bay.webtv.net> References: <44FC303D.99B4D130@earthlink.net> Ok Michael ... I took it the wrong way oops . I saw the general `temperature` in here and assumed ( i know ) people may be fired up . Steve you should check ebay for the camcorder i dont see them very often anymore . 8MM cams are going fairly cheap now in favor of mini dv format Article: 341509 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Re: Newby question after recap CGE H-70 Date: 4 Sep 2006 08:09:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1157382565.872808.70470@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1157307891.088661.296910@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > Ken wrote: > > First off, tell us what your radio knowledge is. It would sure help if > > you had a signal generator. Most all old receivers need to be aligned, > > they drift from age and also from people messing with the trimmers. If > > you have a voltage chart on your schematic, compare your readings. You > > need to see if the distortion is coming from the audio or RF section. An > > audio generator and scope are good for checking out the audio. If you're > > just getting into this sport, you really need to gear up with the proper > > test equip, things will go much easier. Ken > > > > My radio knowledge is nil. > > The only voltages I see are for the tubes. The plate, screen grid, > cathode and heater. > > Will look into getting a signal generator. What else is handy to have. > > > Brian Just got back from a local radio collector. I bought a Taylor 67A Signal Generator and an EICO 145 Signal Tracer. Just have to fiqure how to use them. I took along the CGE H-70 chassis and he suspects a problem with the IF transformer or something in the front end. Brian Article: 341510 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Back from vacation Date: 4 Sep 2006 08:29:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1157383780.849859.124010@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <44FC303D.99B4D130@earthlink.net> Ken G. wrote: > Ok Michael ... I took it the wrong way oops . I saw the general > `temperature` in here and assumed ( i know ) people may be fired up . > > Steve you should check ebay for the camcorder i dont see them very often > anymore . 8MM cams are going fairly cheap now in favor of mini dv format I know. I just love all the 1 cent "specials". There was a really nice '72 Schwinn Heavy-Duti I honestly would've bit at if I could stand the 80.00 shipping : ( Article: 341511 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: 4 Sep 2006 08:31:51 -0700 Message-ID: <1157383911.690897.204820@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > Tim Mullen wrote: > > That's the difference between potential and kinetic energy. > > Then there's Addams Family energy. From the paper back book > published in 1968: > > "That Uncle Fester!" he chortled, and was joined by Granny, > Morticia, Lurch , and the children in a maniacal chorus of > whooping glee. Recovering a bit, Gomez found and lit another > long panatela, explaining to Mr. Fedler as he did so, "Fester > likes to fiddle with fuse boxes." > > A moment later, stair treads beneath the floor began to creak > and groan and then Fester emerged from the cellar door at the > rear of the hall beneath the main staircase. He was cobwebby > and smoky with ancient gray dust, but his mouth lay wide-split > in a foolish grin, and his deep sunken eyes shone like hot > coals in their sockets. "So many wonderful wires---" he crooned, > making two syllables out of the final word, and pat-a-caking his > dusty palms together in childish rapture. "I made lock-switch > bends in every one of them." > > "L-lock-switch . . ." faltered Mr. Fedler, blankly. > > "You know," grinned Gomez. "hooked the house wiring end-to-end > so that the current keeps moving in a circle and has no place to > get out. Saves marvelously on electric bills." Man they were geniuses : ))) Article: 341512 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Transistor T-0s at 19M and Above Date: 4 Sep 2006 08:34:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1157384068.829006.128870@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1157286527.425892.159160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> DeeExxx wrote: > Steven wrote: > > DeeExxx wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I have two transistor T-Os, a 1000 and a 7000 (the older version of the > > > 7000). The 1000 was professionally serviced and re-aligned. The 7000 > > > does not seem to need realignment. However, both radios don't seem to > > > respond much on 19M and above. I have a lot of QRM at my location , > > > most of it self-inflicted with PCs and various other RF emitters. I > > > also live near an airport and there are strong harmonics in the MF and > > > lower HF bands. I've tried the 19M and higher bands during afternoons, > > > and there is not much difference. If anyone can give my some insight as > > > to this deafness, I'd be most grateful. BTW, I was a tech long ago, but > > > I leave the alignment to an EE pal of mine. > > > Thanks > > > > I was getting Air America at 1600? from maybe Portland on a Royal 880 > > about a week or so back and I suspect there's been a recent peak in > > e-skip on MW *just a hunch*, but I don't know about 19 meters. as I > > haven't been there for awhile, but if you say it's dead between 15-17 > > MHz, is it actually dead, are you getting birdies as I would if my > > 'crappy' noisy computer stuff was on, or is the band just dead at this > > time from poor propagation thank to that lucky old sun? > > > > Phil Nelson's website http://www.antiqueradio.org/welcome.htm and > > Peter Wieck are quite knowledged about T-Os and Phil should have a page > > on the 7000s that will be of great help to you > > Yeah, thanks, I am aware of Phil and I will e-mail him. I need to > borrow a signal gen and see if the radios actually respond. I am > getting noise and sometimes hear RTTY signals on these bands. That sounds about right to my memory but do you get any traces of WWV 15 MHz? If you can't but others will, sounds like time to operate. Article: 341513 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 4 Sep 2006 08:45:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1157384734.708100.196640@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > >> 5-band expander/compressor, the 5BX. I'm thinking of selling mine. > > > How spendy is that? Only dbx I have are the the 200 and 400x signal > > routers. > > Spendy. When I bought mine, it was a direct import for $750. They go for > $900 to $1000 (sometimes a bit higher) on eBay. > > I have 200 for sale. (I've switched to the 400X.) I will likely use both of mine in the long run. I've been getting speakers and amps and a Sony SQD-2020 up and running for a quad preamp. I know one of you Williams sold one a good while back...any chance there's some documents floating around to help me adjust it when I get the new power switch in (old one was actually broken to bits inside and I grabbed another ALPS switch from a dead Pioneer and got the resistor transferred to it, it arced and worked in reverse)? It's going to be a long winter and a strip furnace in the livingroom ain't gonna work well or be cheap so I debate using those damned heater fans again (I really don't like them but they are far cheaper the natural gas). I've got until November to finish buying what I want/need, then wait unitl March maybe. I do have time to sit and work on stuff at least. Article: 341514 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment Date: 4 Sep 2006 08:49:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1157384961.243192.239450@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> References: <3yUKg.2662$%75.2017@trnddc05> I more or less agree with Jeff's comments. Having worked on the bench for some 50 years, and trying all manner of bench/equipment layout in that time, I have never found a truly satifactory arrangement! If you are setting up a test set-up for a particular test like a production test, then it is fairly easy to make an efficient set-up. For my 'general purpose' test bench I have finally settled on an arrangement with all the common 'look at' instruments ['scope, meters, counter, LVpower supply] on a sight line about 10" above the bench top, and AF generator and signal tracers on a shelf above that. On a cart at right angles on my Left are the RF generators, associated counters, isolated variac, HV bench power supply and capacitance bridge. There is a shelf in front of the cart for schematics and under the shelf is the smallish tube tester. All the other less used test gear is shelved and readily accessable to be brought out as needed for a particular test set-up. For example, Gary needs a 6/12V high current supply for most of his work, while the rest of us only need one occasionally. Also, per Gary's comment, HP did have standardized test equipment packages, but they varied in depth and still would not easily stack in the way wanted, PLUS, they changed the format so different vintages would not necessarly stack together very well. At work we had a collection of thin wood strips of various lengths to 'trim the stacks' so everything sat level. Also, when stacking tube test gear, one has to be very aware of the heat generated within each and how it is vented [top/side/back] so getting that heat out must also figure into the arrangement. Neil S. Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > terry wrote: > > Despite we have a 13 foot (two 78 inch doors end to end), 'Electronics > > bench' with shelves above, along one wall of a separate but cluttered > > room, been thinking of mounting test gear etc. on a six foot high, 19 > > inch rack with castors on base. Couple of heavy power supplies on > > bottom to keep it stable? And an old ex telephone company 'writing > > shelf' half way up. > > Personally, I don't think that's an effective method for the test > equipment. Rack mounting is for a large quantity of equipment that > doesn't need to fiddled with. Or for production testing with a > specific "panel" with everything you need right in front of you > for a specific task. The rest of the rack holds the equipment to > support that "test" panel. > > An "ideal" work bench has depth to it, and depth to the shelf above > it. For exmaple, a full 4x8 sheet of plywood for the desk top. Covered > with laminate and then with a soft work surface in the "working area." > And a 2 foot deep shelf above that. > > This way, you can organize you test equipment on the shelf, and behind > the "object of your desires." > > For most repair work, a signal generator, a scope, and various power > supplies and metering stuff is adequate. Tool box on the left and > soldering stuff on the right. With "common use" parts, such as wire, > fuses, resistors, capacitors and the like under the shelf. > > Having equipment mounted in a cabinet adjacent to the work bench > tends to make you have to work at 90 degrees to your project. It's > rough on the eyes and the neck. > > Putting it behind the work at eye level, and the bench as "hand level" > is the optimum situation for both ease and efficiency. > > Did I mention adequate lighting? And a outlet strip along the front > edge of the bench? > > I run a commercial two-way radio shop. But I also do engineering, and > work on vacuum tube stuff. As a result, I have over 30 feet of work > benches and a pretty good pile of test equipment. > > Of course, there are some on this news group that insist that you can > work with just a handheld meter off of a TV tray. > > Jeff > > > Of course could always take the very old piano > > That sounds like something Tim would do. (Not you Mullen, but the one > that used to post here a few years back. With the one-eyed cat, and > the fans that would burst into flames.) > > > Problem is we built this house ourselves in the 1970s and rarely > > throw anything away! > > My parents had this one built in 1953. And both had grown up during > the depression. "Put that back, someone's saving it!" > > And then there's Alan Douglas. Whom I suspect has everything he's > ever owned at his place. > > Jeff > > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341515 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: My Personal Radio Collection Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:49:49 GMT Dave, for what it's worth I've put a link to your website on mine. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Dave McClellan" wrote in message news:SYoJg.9$pe2.0@newsfe05.lga... > Well, here's another collection: > http://mcclellans.com/NewRadiosPage.htm > > "Gary Tayman" wrote in message > news:fNnJg.5414$p23.3849@trnddc04... >> While many of you are busy cleaning your benches and taking photos, I've >> decided to start another thread. This one is not in the binaries, but on > my >> website. As promised long ago, I've set up a page devoted to my personal >> radio collection. >> >> Compared to the thousands of valuable sets owned by some others on this >> list, it's certainly not much. However I indeed enjoy it, and would like > to >> share it with others. >> >> You can go directly to the page by clicking here: >> >> http://mysite.verizon.net/caradio/collection.htm >> >> >> >> -- >> Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical >> Sound Solutions For Classic Cars >> http://www.taymanelectrical.com >> >> > > Article: 341516 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "KB9NLK" Subject: Re: Montgomery Ward Airline 62-188 Console Questions Date: 4 Sep 2006 09:31:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1157387475.279725.247460@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1157163958.721264.248010@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Gary, Thanks for the info..... I did find a stamp on the back of the console / cabinet with W.G. # 567 on the back of the cabinet. I assume it is a Wells Garner # 567 model. Maybe that will help someone..... As far as those switched, they are on the front, but it appears the chassis has a hole that matches up on the front of it to match up with these wires for the two switches. Hrmmm.... The radio works without these hooked up, so who knows. I am going to try to find the Wells Garner # 567 on the internet, but if anyone has any more info, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again! Ed KB9NLK Article: 341517 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: Subject: Re: Scott Knobs Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:50:53 -0400 Message-ID: Almost no originals around. Go to Larry Bordonaro at www.antiqueradioknobs.com for the repros. Mark Oppat "Art's Antique Radios" wrote in message news:gY2dnd7WzJCMrmHZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > I am looking for a complete set of knobs for a Scott Philharmonic. Original > or repro. > > Can you help? > > > > Article: 341518 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" Subject: Philco Grille Cloth Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: I have a Philco "Strat" in here for repair (38-690.. top of their line). It needs all new cloth. I go to order it from John at Grillecloth.com and he reports its been discontinued due to low sales! It was an EXCELLENT repro of the cloth used on most all Philcos of 1937-38. See type #55 on his website. Anyways, I think if I order enough he might run it again. Would anyone on this list be interested in some larger pieces of this? Its the "ribbed" cloth... mostly found installed horizontally in those very "Art Moderne" table sets but also vertically in the 1937-38 cathedrals and maybe tombstones too. Goller? Hagstar? Others? Mark Oppat Article: 341519 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Lyndell Scott" References: Subject: Re: Philco Grille Cloth Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:15:31 GMT Radio Daze still lists it on their website. http://www.radiodaze.com/ -- Lyndell Scott Audio Antiques http://geocities.com/lfscott@flash.net Article: 341520 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave Burson" Subject: Aetna 2 tube radio ID Message-ID: <1fZKg.6103$yO7.5899@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:19:57 GMT Yesterday I picked up a small Aetna plastic radio at a neighbor's garage sale (actually his freebie leftovers). It looks to be from the 1940's, has a 32L7GT rectifier, a 12B8GT triode and the crusty remnants of a "curtain burner" power cord. There is no power transformer, so I guess that the filaments are in series and the power cord drops the voltage about 73 volts..can that be so? The case has the number 110218 and no labels elsewhere I went thru every Aetna (Walgreens) schematic in Nostalgiaair's files and didn't find anything that resembles this thing. The Bunis guide and Google didn't help either. If anyone has info on this radio or any thoughts about this design, I'd like to hear from you. I've never seen a 2 tube radio before. If there's any interest, I will post a couple photos on the binaries. Thanks, Dave Burson Article: 341521 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "N. Morrow" References: Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:56:24 GMT This is a sad picture of where a hobby becomes a psychological disorder after someone experiences severe emotional distress. A family member of mine suffers from a similar disability, but not to this extent. She is currently in a long term treatment care facility and may never return to her home. -Nick >"Daniele" wrote: > Another day in cleaning my friend's basement. > Again wire spools... 7 spools, 200mt each, > a bag with 100 new 807s brown bakelite bases... > > . . . . . . . . . . > > This started 15 years ago when, in less than 90 days, he lost his wife, > his mother and the mother of his wife, 5 years before lost a son of 4 y.o. > Now, his disease.. after 4 month in the ospital is coming up > something to hope in a return to his home (BTW in a long time range..) > it's time ti prepare the place for a better living. > > -- > Daniele > http://www.tuberadio.it Article: 341522 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: My Personal Radio Collection Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:59:15 -0500 Message-ID: <8763-44FC6973-124@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: I did a www.devilfinder.com search for, Allied Radio There are some good websites there to check out. cuhulin Article: 341523 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:11:13 -0500 Message-ID: <8764-44FC6C41-21@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: Last week I saw a Realistic MC-2000 AM FM Radio Phonograph at the Goodwill store.As much stuff as I have already,I didn't bother to plug that unit in to see if it works.If it is still there,I guess I could buy it for between five to seven dollars.I dont know where I would put it though.That Sears Silvertone AM FM Phonograph stereo colonial style floor model unit (in very nice condition,but the turn table doesn't work) was still sitting over there too.I just dont have any room anymore. cuhulin Article: 341524 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Hagstar" Subject: Re: Philco Grille Cloth Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:29:51 -0400 Message-ID: <12fos546v7dugf3@corp.supernews.com> References: You mean #41, the cotton big V stuff? I haven't needed this cloth since I did my first and last 40-180. Since we've seen these an eBay in your area 2 for $30- perhaps you could salvage some from the numerous 40-180's in your woodshed. Winter is coming after all....... John H. Article: 341525 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Bob in Phx" References: <3yUKg.2662$%75.2017@trnddc05> <44FC3387.185569E7@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:48:14 -0700 I think that the Bk 970 had most everything you need in one place. 1.5 to 15 volt dc power, ohm meter, dc volt meter, rf generator, af generator, transistor checker... all in a about 10 by 18.... Not to bad. I have one, but I need to get rid of it. bob in phx "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44FC3387.185569E7@earthlink.net... > Gary Tayman wrote: >> >> I recently described a fantasy radio . . .what about test equipment? >> >> While cleaning the bench I came up with a no-brainer idea. Actually I >> think >> about this EVERY time I clean, but this time I decided to talk about it. >> >> Why can't the test equipment people, or why couldn't they have 40 years >> ago, >> come up with a small, standard, stackable design for bench testers? It >> would sure make our lives easier, both as breadwinners and as hobbyists. >> >> Every so often the subject comes up about what is the best test equipment >> to >> get. Every time the answers are similar -- Eico is simple to use and >> rugged, Heathkit makes some good pieces that are easily found at swap >> meets, >> you can make one yourself from a Teddy Ruxpin doll and a hairpin, others >> chime in with a few other assorted brands, and then there's always one or >> two folks that have to chime in with "I'll never touch my 4 tube Emerson >> with anything less than a ZINGBAT 6000, with absolute zero measurable >> harmonics, quadrillionth-of-a-nanovolt sensitivity, and accuracy to >> 0.0000001%." (Makes you wonder if one of these can measure the harmonics >> of >> another one.) But the aspect of a footprint is NEVER brought up. >> >> In the interest of cleaning my bench, while trying to make it more >> effective, I've been trying to figure out just how to arrange the test >> equipment I have -- but it's like trying to put a round peg into a square >> hole. As much praise as I have for Eico's simplicity, these pieces are >> the >> absolute worst in terms of giving them a permanent home. Not only are >> they >> tall, but you can't stack them anyway because of the big handles. Maybe >> you >> can set one on top of something else, but that something else is usually >> narrower, thinner, smaller, or has some other form of bump on top of it. >> >> During the 70's, Heathkit actually did make some pieces that were low, >> flat >> on top, and had handles on the sides to allow stacking -- but even these >> were different sizes and shapes, and it seems the one you want to put on >> the >> bottom is always the smallest. Today you can buy some very small >> testers, >> but they are handheld -- definitely not stackable, and difficult to use >> on a >> bench because they flop all over the place in positions where you can't >> read >> them. >> >> Away back when I was in school (mid-1970's), some rep from Tektronix came >> by >> and demonstrated some of their "new" bench equipment. They showed off a >> piece that seemed to include everything in one box -- a function >> generator, >> frequency counter, scope, VTVM, signal tracer, and possibly some other >> stuff. Of course I'm sure it cost a gazillion dollars, and you don't see >> too many of these around because most independent techs would prefer to >> make >> money rather than spend it. But the "all in one" concept was a great >> one -- >> if only Eico or Heathkit had come up with a modular concept, I bet the >> idea >> would have revolutionized the trade. >> >> As it is now, I've got a power supply (rack mount, down below), a >> Heathkit >> B+ power supply, an Eico signal generator sitting on top of the Heathkit, >> a >> B&K VTVM, A solid state Eico signal tracer, a Heathkit frequency counter >> (on >> the shelf below), and a Simpson digital meter. Although the Simpson is >> the >> smallest piece, I located it below the bench on top of the frequency >> counter >> for lack of space! Some of the "duplicate" equipment, such as an RCA >> Senior >> VoltOhmist, will go to another bench in the garage. Other pieces such as >> a >> scope and AF generator will sit on shelves until I need them. >> >> Yes I do have a roll cart, in the garage, presently taken up by a tube >> tester. >> >> Come to think of it, that Teddy Ruxpin would be cute idea. When you >> locate >> the bad component his hands would go up in the air and he would yell, >> "touchdown!" > > > > Gee, Gary, I guess that you've never looked at any '60 or '70s > Hewlett Packard equipment? A lot of it was made to stack, and fit > perfectly on a commercial grade shop cart. Almost every electronics > workbench at Microdyne had a cart piled high with Hewlett Packard > equipment. Some had two or even three carts full. Some spare carts > were set up for a certain job, and rolled to a bench to do a specific > job. > > Right now I have: > > > HP 312B Frequency Selective Voltmeter > HP 331A Distortion Analyzer > HP 5223 Electronic Counter > HP 5233 6 digit Nixie 2 MHz 100 MV Electronic Counter > HP 5245L 50 MHz 8 digit Nixie Frequency Counter > HP 5325B 20 MHz 7 digit Nixie Universal Counter > HP 5532A 1 MHz 6 digit Nixie Frequency Counter > > Assorted scrap HP medical equipment in matching cases that I am > stripping to built power supplies to match. > > that stack. I also have a pile of rack mount test equipment and several > portable racks. > > > On the other hand, some items are so small that you would have mostly > empty cabinets. > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida Article: 341526 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <12fos546v7dugf3@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Philco Grille Cloth Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:54:06 -0400 Message-ID: Not the V cloth, John, the RIBBED kind. gold with a green (or I think sometimes burgandy) rib running thru it. In all the sets I called out, not in anything other than '37-'38 models. Think 37-610, 37-620, 38-93, etc. No consoles but the 38-690 use it AFAIK. Mark Oppat "Hagstar" wrote in message news:12fos546v7dugf3@corp.supernews.com... > You mean #41, the cotton big V stuff? > > I haven't needed this cloth since I did my first and last 40-180. Since > we've seen these an eBay in your area 2 for $30- perhaps you could salvage > some from the numerous 40-180's in your woodshed. Winter is coming after > all....... > > John H. > > > Article: 341527 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Jon" Subject: Looking for a part for Philco 42-1010 Message-ID: <51%Kg.36255$uH6.33594@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:21:37 GMT I am working on a Philco 42-1010 console, with beam-of-light phonograph. This set had been stored in a garage or barn before I rescued it from the side of the road in the rain. The cabinet is actually in pretty good shape, but the chassis was full of a mouse nest. In addition to the usual dried rubber insulation, many wires had been chewed bare. Several caps were nibbled on, and the dial string was chewed in half as well. The part that I need is the aerial transformer. It had been chewed pretty badly, and I was unable to figure out how it was wound. It was wound with stranded wire, not solid. The parts location diagram incorrectly labels this as the police band aerial transformer, when in fact it is the BC band aerial transformer. The original Philco part number was 32-3852. If anyone has junk 42-1010 chassis, or can wind me a new coil, please let me know. I've been stalled on this for a few months now, and want to get this chassis back together so I can concentrate on the phono section. Speaking of the beam of light phono, I get clean audio from mine, but the turntable is way too slow. I've cleaned, degreased, and regreased the moving parts, but the rubber is too far gone. Is there anyone on the list who can restore the mechanics of this changer? Jon Scaptura Endicott, NY See my antique radios here: http://www.binghamtonradio.com/gallery2/v/Antique_radios/ and the workbench webcam: http://www.binghamtonradio.com/webcam From adouglasatgis.net Thu Sep 7 00:57:26 EDT 2006 Article: 341528 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Alan Douglas Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Grebe CR-12 Help Request Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:17:11 -0400 Organization: NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $19.95 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <1157337082.025990.246790@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-098.newsdawg.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.92/16.572 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!news1 Xref: news0.isis.unc.edu rec.antiques.radio+phono:341528 Hi, It's been perhaps twenty years since I ran my CR12, but I found it to be the best regenerative receiver I ever used. I borrowed a CR14, essentially the same set but for '99 tubes, and that was a close second. I could tune across the broadcast band, channel by channel, and if there was a station on that frequency I heard it. If there was nothing above atmospheric noise, I heard that. Adjacent-channel selectivity was outstanding. Using a tolerably-well-calibrated Navy RBB receiver as a field-strength meter, the adjacent channels could be 20 to 30dB (I think it was 30) stronger before they became a problem. For the record, my antenna was (and is) an inverted-L, 26 ft up and 55 ft long, and a driven well pipe in the cellar as a ground. Alan Article: 341529 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Schultz" References: <1fZKg.6103$yO7.5899@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Aetna 2 tube radio ID Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 19:48:56 GMT Is it by any chance the same as an Emerson CF-255? -- Mike Schultz "Dave Burson" wrote in message news:1fZKg.6103$yO7.5899@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > Yesterday I picked up a small Aetna plastic radio at a neighbor's garage > sale (actually his freebie leftovers). It looks to be from the 1940's, > has a 32L7GT rectifier, a 12B8GT triode and the crusty remnants of a > "curtain burner" power cord. There is no power transformer, so I guess > that the filaments are in series and the power cord drops the voltage > about 73 volts..can that be so? The case has the number 110218 and no > labels elsewhere > > I went thru every Aetna (Walgreens) schematic in Nostalgiaair's files and > didn't find anything that resembles this thing. The Bunis guide and > Google didn't help either. If anyone has info on this radio or any > thoughts about this design, I'd like to hear from you. I've never seen a > 2 tube radio before. If there's any interest, I will post a couple photos > on the binaries. > > Thanks, > Dave Burson > > > > Article: 341530 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1157356092.969158.47050@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> <1157384734.708100.196640@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 12:52:59 -0700 Message-ID: > I will likely use both of mine in the long run. I've been getting speakers > and amps and a Sony SQD-2020 up and running for a quad preamp. Take the SQD-2020. Find a trash can. Toss it! It's a terrible, terrible product. (I owned one.) It's principally an SQ decoder, and it uses gain riding, not phase cancellation. You can hear shutting off the "unused" channels. It's awful, about the worst surround processor you could ever add to a system. Article: 341531 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:04:41 GMT This might turn into a great mother-in-law joke, but it's true . . . My wife's mother was a pack rat on steroids. I suppose a lot of it was phsycological, she grew up in a very poor condition and she probably felt that the more stuff she had around her, the more secure she would feel. Whatever, you would go to their little mountain cabin and literally walk through a narrow pathway to get from room to room. When my father-in law died, she moved out of the tiny house into an apartment. Since there was no way she could move all that stuff out, she paid someone to auction it off. What did she do with the money? You guessed it, she started over! A few years later she also passed away. We drove up to Pennsylvania to her apartment, and could barely get in the door! What we first thought was a hall closet full of teddy bears floor-to-ceiling, turned out to be a large bedroom, full of teddy bears packed floor-to-ceiling! Of course the teddy bears were the tip of the iceberg -- you name it, she had a better stock of it than Sam's Club. One of the items she had, if you're ready for this, was old radios! Now don't get too excited, these were all reproductions -- you know, the plastic AM/FM radios with tape players in the sides. There had to have been hundreds of them -- at least 10-20 of each style, many of which were still in the original boxes. One of them came home with me -- I'm sure you know the type, a Crosley table radio with pushbuttons on the right side, designed to look like a Zenith bakelite. All the rest got auctioned off. As for the other stuff, we pretty much picked what we wanted and filled a truck, and the rest got auctioned off. That's pretty much the end of the story, but there were two interesting surprises. First, when the auctioneer came by to look at all the stuff, he just shook his head. We asked if he had ever in his lifetime seen anything like it, he chuckled and responded: "Only once. A few years ago I settled an estate from a cabin up on the mountain. The lady had been widowed, and moved out of the house into an apartment somewhere." We informed him it was the same woman! As for the other surprise, some time later we received a check, along with a printout of everything that was auctioned from the estate. As for all those radios, most of them sold in the $20-30 range. But there were several Coca-Cola radios in the batch; they sold for $70-100 each, even though they were available new at Wal-Mart for something like $40! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "N. Morrow" wrote in message news:cNZKg.14807$1f6.7870@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > This is a sad picture of where a hobby becomes a psychological disorder > after someone experiences severe emotional distress. A family member of > mine > suffers from a similar disability, but not to this extent. She is > currently > in a long term treatment care facility and may never return to her home. > -Nick > >>"Daniele" wrote: >> Another day in cleaning my friend's basement. >> Again wire spools... 7 spools, 200mt each, >> a bag with 100 new 807s brown bakelite bases... >> >> . . . . . . . . . . >> >> This started 15 years ago when, in less than 90 days, he lost his wife, >> his mother and the mother of his wife, 5 years before lost a son of 4 >> y.o. >> Now, his disease.. after 4 month in the ospital is coming up >> something to hope in a return to his home (BTW in a long time range..) >> it's time ti prepare the place for a better living. >> >> -- >> Daniele >> http://www.tuberadio.it > > > Article: 341532 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Lyndell Scott" References: <12fos546v7dugf3@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Philco Grille Cloth Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:17:39 GMT You are correct, Mark...the 38-690 used what you described. The 40-180s I have worked on used a plain non-patterned grille cloth since it is located behind the vertical columns and not readily seen. -- Lyndell Scott Audio Antiques http://geocities.com/lfscott@flash.net Article: 341533 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: 4 Sep 2006 13:39:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1157402383.256577.221590@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Gary Tayman wrote: > This might turn into a great mother-in-law joke, but it's true . . . > > My wife's mother was a pack rat on steroids. I suppose a lot of it was > phsycological, she grew up in a very poor condition and she probably felt > that the more stuff she had around her, the more secure she would feel. > Whatever, you would go to their little mountain cabin and literally walk > through a narrow pathway to get from room to room. > > When my father-in law died, she moved out of the tiny house into an > apartment. Since there was no way she could move all that stuff out, she > paid someone to auction it off. What did she do with the money? You > guessed it, she started over! > > A few years later she also passed away. We drove up to Pennsylvania to her > apartment, and could barely get in the door! What we first thought was a > hall closet full of teddy bears floor-to-ceiling, turned out to be a large > bedroom, full of teddy bears packed floor-to-ceiling! Of course the teddy > bears were the tip of the iceberg -- you name it, she had a better stock of > it than Sam's Club. One of the items she had, if you're ready for this, was > old radios! Now don't get too excited, these were all reproductions -- you > know, the plastic AM/FM radios with tape players in the sides. There had to > have been hundreds of them -- at least 10-20 of each style, many of which > were still in the original boxes. > > One of them came home with me -- I'm sure you know the type, a Crosley table > radio with pushbuttons on the right side, designed to look like a Zenith > bakelite. All the rest got auctioned off. As for the other stuff, we > pretty much picked what we wanted and filled a truck, and the rest got > auctioned off. > > That's pretty much the end of the story, but there were two interesting > surprises. First, when the auctioneer came by to look at all the stuff, he > just shook his head. We asked if he had ever in his lifetime seen anything > like it, he chuckled and responded: "Only once. A few years ago I settled > an estate from a cabin up on the mountain. The lady had been widowed, and > moved out of the house into an apartment somewhere." We informed him it was > the same woman! > > As for the other surprise, some time later we received a check, along with a > printout of everything that was auctioned from the estate. As for all those > radios, most of them sold in the $20-30 range. But there were several > Coca-Cola radios in the batch; they sold for $70-100 each, even though they > were available new at Wal-Mart for something like $40! She made out better than I have lately (oh vey) Article: 341534 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 4 Sep 2006 13:44:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1157402698.347821.253120@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: > > I will likely use both of mine in the long run. I've been getting speakers > > and amps and a Sony SQD-2020 up and running for a quad preamp. > > Take the SQD-2020. Find a trash can. Toss it! > > It's a terrible, terrible product. (I owned one.) It's principally an SQ > decoder, and it uses gain riding, not phase cancellation. You can hear > shutting off the "unused" channels. It's awful, about the worst surround > processor you could ever add to a system. I'm not worried about the SQ, I want to use it as a discrete pre, even if it's not the world's best pre either. It could have some usage in a DVD system that doesn't have a lot of demands, I think. I'm not fond of the wierd upper deck board mounting style like Nakamichi, IIRC Pioneer CT-F7272 used either but what the hay. Article: 341535 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Nelson Gietz" References: <10288-44F4C710-951@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Message-ID: <3n0Lg.7995$xJ1.5836@newsfe15.lga> Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:54:59 -0500 "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:etWKg.9477$Cs3.158@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > Tim Mullen wrote: > > That's the difference between potential and kinetic energy. > > Then there's Addams Family energy. From the paper back book > published in 1968: > > "That Uncle Fester!" he chortled, and was joined by Granny, > Morticia, Lurch , and the children in a maniacal chorus of > whooping glee. Recovering a bit, Gomez found and lit another > long panatela, explaining to Mr. Fedler as he did so, "Fester > likes to fiddle with fuse boxes." > > A moment later, stair treads beneath the floor began to creak > and groan and then Fester emerged from the cellar door at the > rear of the hall beneath the main staircase. He was cobwebby > and smoky with ancient gray dust, but his mouth lay wide-split > in a foolish grin, and his deep sunken eyes shone like hot > coals in their sockets. "So many wonderful wires---" he crooned, > making two syllables out of the final word, and pat-a-caking his > dusty palms together in childish rapture. "I made lock-switch > bends in every one of them." > > "L-lock-switch . . ." faltered Mr. Fedler, blankly. > > "You know," grinned Gomez. "hooked the house wiring end-to-end > so that the current keeps moving in a circle and has no place to > get out. Saves marvelously on electric bills." > > Jeff > Reminds me of a girlfriend from 'way back who claimed to have an IQ of 140. We're in the basement, and I picked up a six foot extension cord, pushed the plug into the socket end, threw it on the floor quickly and said, "See that? The electricity will go around and around until the cord heats up and burns." She panicked. Cheers, Nelson Article: 341536 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! References: <1157402383.256577.221590@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:25:59 GMT Steven wrote: > She made out better than I have lately (oh vey) Pay attention idiot, she died. Unless you're implying you'd be better off dead. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341537 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: DeserTBoB Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:07:06 -0700 Message-ID: References: On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 20:04:41 GMT, "Gary Tayman" wrote: >That's pretty much the end of the story, but there were two interesting >surprises. First, when the auctioneer came by to look at all the stuff, he >just shook his head. We asked if he had ever in his lifetime seen anything >like it, he chuckled and responded: "Only once. A few years ago I settled >an estate from a cabin up on the mountain. The lady had been widowed, and >moved out of the house into an apartment somewhere." We informed him it was >the same woman! Holding on to useless and/or unneeded physical property is a sign of an extreme insecurity/fear neurosis, and it's actually pretty common. You hit the nail on the head mentioning that the neurosis can worsen into psychosis if the subject suffers an extreme emotional trauma, such as the loss of a loved one or a disadvantaged position in life outside of the their control. It's a way of regaining "control" in their own mind, while actually being completely uncontrolled and driven by the neurosis. Sad, but it's becoming even more prevalent as people live longer lives and the US economic situation worsens. >As for the other surprise, some time later we received a check, along with a >printout of everything that was auctioned from the estate. As for all those >radios, most of them sold in the $20-30 range. But there were several >Coca-Cola radios in the batch; they sold for $70-100 each, even though they >were available new at Wal-Mart for something like $40! Not a pathological condition here, but just the run-of-the-mill stupidity of the American public. I was at an auction by Maury Slavkin years ago when Producer's Sound went bankrupt and the studio gear was being auctioned off. A couple of obvious wannabe rock stars were in attendance, and went ballistic when a pretty nice (but not all THAT nice) Ampex 440-8 1" machine came on the block. At the time, everyone had gone to 16 track as the multitrack standard and the big MCI machines were de riguer for the big name studios, so a 1" 8 track machine like this was sort of a drug on the market and could easily be had, with good heads, for around $1500, assuming the "B" configuration with AC capstan motor and "B" electronics. These two idiots got into a bidding war and ran the damned thing up to $5500! Most of us just watched the bidding fracas like a tennis match, snickering all the way. At the close of the auction at the table, the winning wannabe was exclaiming, "You mean I have to pay it all NOW??", which elicited titters of laughter. Maury was a quite famous and respected auctioneer in Hollywood in those days, so the idea of a shill being the other bidder doesn't wash. I remember that auction very well because I cleaned up a very nice Ampex 351-2 with new Ampex heads and AME equalization for a paltry $150, several Marantz "Sixteen" power amps. for from $25 to $40 each, along with a pair of Altec "lipsticks" for $35 and $100 respectively. Also at this auction were a bunch of 35mm mag recorders, the same ones used by Enoch Light for the 35mm releases on his Command label. They didn't even get a single bid and went for scrap. Another place to look for wanton stupidity: automobile auctions, as well as eBay on any given day. Article: 341538 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "L." References: <1157402383.256577.221590@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:36:01 -0400 Message-ID: <44fc9c32$0$6825$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:HR0Lg.12842$S_5.11191@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > Steven wrote: > >> She made out better than I have lately (oh vey) > > Pay attention idiot, she died. > Unless you're implying you'd be better off dead. > > Jeff > Steven - you are ONE STUPID -OR- IS IT - SICK MUTHA.......... It wasn't SHE who made out on ANYTHING. L. Article: 341539 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <3yUKg.2662$%75.2017@trnddc05> <1157372067.502389.20600@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157374055.334938.178150@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:00:04 -0500 Message-ID: <44fc94d5$0$19741$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:DRWKg.21877$YC3.21341@tornado.socal.rr.com... > An "ideal" work bench has depth to it, and depth to the shelf above > it. For exmaple, a full 4x8 sheet of plywood for the desk top. Covered > with laminate and then with a soft work surface in the "working area." > And a 2 foot deep shelf above that. > > This way, you can organize you test equipment on the shelf, and behind > the "object of your desires." Those who have Marcus & Levy's "Elements of Radio Servicing" can see what they call a usable radio workbench in one of the back chapters. After I had the book I set up my bench to hew as close as I could to their setup. This is a highly usable bench for working on tube radios IMO. Of course, it doesn't do much good if you regularly work on TVs (no scope) or any other equipment. > Having equipment mounted in a cabinet adjacent to the work bench > tends to make you have to work at 90 degrees to your project. It's > rough on the eyes and the neck. > Putting it behind the work at eye level, and the bench as "hand level" > is the optimum situation for both ease and efficiency. Preach on. > Of course, there are some on this news group that insist that you can > work with just a handheld meter off of a TV tray. Well, you can. Sometimes. Just not with a high percentage of success. :-) -p. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 341540 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: When It Rains.... Date: 4 Sep 2006 15:52:56 -0700 Message-ID: <1157410376.636560.64480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> We were at our summer house for the holiday weekend. Imagine my surprise when I looked out the front door and found... without provenance, no note, no nothing, no phone call: Marantz 2020 (Pacific Rim) AM/FM Tuner Marantz 1030B ( " " ) Integrated Amp AR TO4 ( " ") AM/FM Tuner W/Remote!! Revox (!!) B760 Tuner Kenwood Tube FM-Only Receiver, uses 6BQ5 PP Drivers, no number or nameplate. Eico Signal Tracer Now, they have some issues. The Marantz tuner has its AM Antenna joint broken. The Revox is missing its front legs, and has been dropped on one corner. The Kenwood is throughout dryer-lint, or similar. The signal tracer looks like it was stored in a garage. The AR & The Marantz integrated amp have no visible flaws. Untested as of yet. I will start with the Kenwood. Didn't even have to dumpster dive. ADDENDUM: For cost of shipping: Eico Signal Tracer. No probe, untested. Others may follow. Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 341541 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Dave Burson" References: <1fZKg.6103$yO7.5899@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Aetna 2 tube radio ID Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:12:06 GMT That sure looks like a match and I don't know how I would have found that schematic otherwise. Thanks very much, Mike. This will be the first TRF radio I've worked on. Dave Burson "Mike Schultz" wrote in message news:Iq%Kg.1611$YZ3.1030@trnddc03... > Is it by any chance the same as an Emerson CF-255? > > -- > Mike Schultz > > > "Dave Burson" wrote in message > news:1fZKg.6103$yO7.5899@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... >> Yesterday I picked up a small Aetna plastic radio at a neighbor's garage >> sale (actually his freebie leftovers). It looks to be from the 1940's, >> has a 32L7GT rectifier, a 12B8GT triode and the crusty remnants of a >> "curtain burner" power cord. There is no power transformer, so I guess >> that the filaments are in series and the power cord drops the voltage >> about 73 volts..can that be so? The case has the number 110218 and no >> labels elsewhere >> >> I went thru every Aetna (Walgreens) schematic in Nostalgiaair's files and >> didn't find anything that resembles this thing. The Bunis guide and >> Google didn't help either. If anyone has info on this radio or any >> thoughts about this design, I'd like to hear from you. I've never seen a >> 2 tube radio before. If there's any interest, I will post a couple photos >> on the binaries. >> >> Thanks, >> Dave Burson >> >> >> >> > > Article: 341542 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:21:30 -0600 Message-ID: <12095-44FCB4FA-45@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> References: <44fc94d5$0$19741$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Fantacy .. one that you plug the power cord or battery wires into and it tells you what parts are bad and shows it on a screen . Article: 341543 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 18:29:22 -0500 Message-ID: <8763-44FCB6D2-168@storefull-3252.bay.webtv.net> References: Kind of like Crazy eBay Mom's house,but she collects different kinds of things. cuhulin Article: 341544 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 17:56:19 -0600 From: JeffS Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > If there is such a thing... > > What radio would be on anyones want list? > > Brian > For me that might include the Bang & Olufsen Jet 505K http://www.beoworld.co.uk/vintage/jet505k.htm or it's Bakelite predecessor, the Beolit 39: http://www.beoworld.co.uk/vintage/beolit39.htm Article: 341545 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Looking for a part for Philco 42-1010 Date: 4 Sep 2006 17:01:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1157414466.472846.31020@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <51%Kg.36255$uH6.33594@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Jon, I am not clear if the transformer is still intact [but chewed] of if you have partially unwound it. I have a Pi winder to wind that sort of coil as well as an excellent stock of small gauges of celanise and Litz wire as used to wind RF coils originally. If you can send me a clear photo of the coil close up with a rule along side for size reference, I can tell you if I can likely rewind it. If you reply back to my email, I can send you a couple of photos of antenna coils I have done. Neil S. Jon wrote: > I am working on a Philco 42-1010 console, with beam-of-light phonograph. > This set had been stored in a garage or barn before I rescued it from the > side of the road in the rain. The cabinet is actually in pretty good shape, > but the chassis was full of a mouse nest. In addition to the usual dried > rubber insulation, many wires had been chewed bare. Several caps were > nibbled on, and the dial string was chewed in half as well. > > The part that I need is the aerial transformer. It had been chewed > pretty badly, and I was unable to figure out how it was wound. It was wound > with stranded wire, not solid. The parts location diagram incorrectly labels > this as the police band aerial transformer, when in fact it is the BC band > aerial transformer. The original Philco part number was 32-3852. If anyone > has junk 42-1010 chassis, or can wind me a new coil, please let me know. > I've been stalled on this for a few months now, and want to get this chassis > back together so I can concentrate on the phono section. > > Speaking of the beam of light phono, I get clean audio from mine, but > the turntable is way too slow. I've cleaned, degreased, and regreased the > moving parts, but the rubber is too far gone. Is there anyone on the list > who can restore the mechanics of this changer? > > Jon Scaptura > Endicott, NY > > See my antique radios here: > http://www.binghamtonradio.com/gallery2/v/Antique_radios/ > and the workbench webcam: > http://www.binghamtonradio.com/webcam Article: 341546 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: 4 Sep 2006 17:23:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1157415798.881442.308100@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > Steven wrote: > > > She made out better than I have lately (oh vey) > > Pay attention idiot, she died. > Unless you're implying you'd be better off dead. I don't get much over what I put into them and have to bundle stuff. If you take artists as a prime example, nobody got 15 million for the painting they made after the mental breakdown while they were alive. Humans are strange. Article: 341547 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: 4 Sep 2006 17:27:28 -0700 Message-ID: <1157416048.123969.49590@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: L. wrote: > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > news:HR0Lg.12842$S_5.11191@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > > > > Steven wrote: > > > >> She made out better than I have lately (oh vey) > > > > Pay attention idiot, she died. > > Unless you're implying you'd be better off dead. > > > > Jeff > > > > Steven - you are ONE STUPID -OR- IS IT - SICK MUTHA.......... It wasn't SHE > who made out on ANYTHING. > > L. If you're going to pull shit out of context too, that's nice. Sorry if she's dead but you still shot the deer with a howitzer and hit another hunter. Nobody makes enough of your stuff until you're dead. Sad. Go stab somebody outside a bar or something. Article: 341548 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "L." References: <1157410376.636560.64480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: When It Rains.... Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 21:32:32 -0400 Message-ID: <44fcd3a0$0$6850$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1157410376.636560.64480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > We were at our summer house for the holiday weekend. Imagine my > surprise when I looked out the front door and found... without > provenance, no note, no nothing, no phone call: > > Marantz 2020 (Pacific Rim) AM/FM Tuner > Marantz 1030B ( " " ) Integrated Amp > AR TO4 ( " ") AM/FM Tuner W/Remote!! > Revox (!!) B760 Tuner > Kenwood Tube FM-Only Receiver, uses 6BQ5 PP Drivers, no number or > nameplate. > Eico Signal Tracer > > Now, they have some issues. The Marantz tuner has its AM Antenna joint > broken. > The Revox is missing its front legs, and has been dropped on one > corner. > The Kenwood is throughout dryer-lint, or similar. > The signal tracer looks like it was stored in a garage. > The AR & The Marantz integrated amp have no visible flaws. > > Untested as of yet. I will start with the Kenwood. > > Didn't even have to dumpster dive. > > ADDENDUM: For cost of shipping: Eico Signal Tracer. No probe, > untested. Others may follow. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Lucky dog! I've had things similar happen to me, but not in that quantity. L. Article: 341549 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 4 Sep 2006 18:35:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1157420104.351517.225140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Anything Zenith, especially the upper end consoles. Sorry this isn't a tayman dissertation. I make my point simple and understandable. Article: 341550 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1157163958.721264.248010@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157387475.279725.247460@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Montgomery Ward Airline 62-188 Console Questions Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:15:53 -0400 Message-ID: Ed, that's not a typical WG type number. WG used a number of tubes with a letter or two. Like 7A or 2CM (12 tube) or something. Look at a Rider index for leads on this. M usually meant metal tubes. Mark Oppat "KB9NLK" wrote in message news:1157387475.279725.247460@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > Gary, > > Thanks for the info..... I did find a stamp on the back of the > console / cabinet with W.G. # 567 on the back of the cabinet. I assume > it is a Wells Garner # 567 model. Maybe that will help someone..... > > As far as those switched, they are on the front, but it appears the > chassis has a hole that matches up on the front of it to match up with > these wires for the two switches. Hrmmm.... The radio works without > these hooked up, so who knows. > > I am going to try to find the Wells Garner # 567 on the internet, but > if anyone has any more info, it would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks again! > > Ed > > KB9NLK > > Article: 341551 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Roger Blake Subject: Re: Mystery Turntable References: <1156340416.910462.283150@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: 05 Sep 2006 03:19:19 GMT In article , John Stone wrote: > Not just the Brits, Peter. Lenco (Swiss) did this as well. Many years ago I had a battery-operated phono that was made like this, but it had a tiny turntable platter and the idler tire actually pushed against the record itself. Speed was changed by moving the turntable in relation to the idler. I don't recall the brand, but it was no doubt "Made in Japan." -- Roger Blake (Subtract 10 for email.) Article: 341552 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <1157163958.721264.248010@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <1157387475.279725.247460@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Montgomery Ward Airline 62-188 Console Questions Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:26:33 -0500 Message-ID: <44fce161$0$19705$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> The 62-188 uses the Wells Gardner 7J chassis. But that doesn't quite help as Wells Gardner sold almost no sets under its own name. There may well be other sets using this chassis but they won't be Wells Gardner branded and will probably have their own series of model numbers. If somebody has a Mallory-Yaxley book or Larson's Locator they can search for likely candidates that use this chassis. Tube lineup is (3) 6D6, 76, 6B7 (not commonly used, which should make this hunt easy) and types 42 and 80. That said, the ske for this radio shows four knobs. If there were any other controls that came with the radio from the factory they certainly would have been called out in the schematic. I'm fairly sure what you have is not original. I might remove them and try to patch the front panel as best as possible. -p. "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:bZydnYAjwpdyd2HZnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Ed, > that's not a typical WG type number. WG used a number of tubes with a > letter or two. Like 7A or 2CM (12 tube) or something. Look at a Rider > index for leads on this. M usually meant metal tubes. > > Mark Oppat > > > "KB9NLK" wrote in message > news:1157387475.279725.247460@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> >> Gary, >> >> Thanks for the info..... I did find a stamp on the back of the >> console / cabinet with W.G. # 567 on the back of the cabinet. I assume >> it is a Wells Garner # 567 model. Maybe that will help someone..... >> >> As far as those switched, they are on the front, but it appears the >> chassis has a hole that matches up on the front of it to match up with >> these wires for the two switches. Hrmmm.... The radio works without >> these hooked up, so who knows. >> >> I am going to try to find the Wells Garner # 567 on the internet, but >> if anyone has any more info, it would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks again! >> >> Ed >> >> KB9NLK >> >> > > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 341553 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lee Subject: Re: Mystery Turntable Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:52:13 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1156340416.910462.283150@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Roger Blake wrote: > In article , John Stone wrote: >> Not just the Brits, Peter. Lenco (Swiss) did this as well. > > Many years ago I had a battery-operated phono that was made like this, > but it had a tiny turntable platter and the idler tire actually pushed against > the record itself. Speed was changed by moving the turntable in relation > to the idler. I don't recall the brand, but it was no doubt "Made in Japan." > Back in the late 50's, my uncle owned an electronic shop and he got in all kinds of new product from Braun as part of market testing and I'm sure they had a tiny little record player that seems to be what you described. He had all kinds of Braun equipment, a lot of which I never saw reach the market. Regards Lee Article: 341554 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Roger Blake Subject: Re: Mystery Turntable References: <1156340416.910462.283150@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: 05 Sep 2006 04:38:57 GMT In article , Lee wrote: > Back in the late 50's, my uncle owned an electronic shop and he got in > all kinds of new product from Braun as part of market testing and I'm > sure they had a tiny little record player that seems to be what you > described. I know it wasn't a Braun, it would have been mid-to-late 1960s vintage. It may have been a Lloyd's, or one of the many other 2nd-tier Japanese brands that came and went during that time period. That player is long-gone but I currently do have a few Japanese-made battery phonos, two of which carry well-known domestic American brand names (Zenith and Singer). All use a smallish but conventional platter and drive. -- Roger Blake (Subtract 10 for email.) Article: 341555 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:51:10 -0700 From: "H. P. Friedrichs" Subject: Curious about the I.R.E. Standard Dummy Antenna Message-ID: <1YOdna1FqcOin2DZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@velocitywest.com> I am interested in the origins and purpose of the "IRE (Institute of Radio Engineers) Standard Dummy Antenna," as used during the alignment of radio receivers. I first came across this circuit in some old Hallicrafter's documentation, which described the alignment of a particular radio. The "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" consists of four components--- a 200pf cap in series with a 20 uH inductor, which links the signal generator to the receiver's antenna input. A 400 pF cap in series with a 400 ohm resistor is connected in parallel with (shunts)the inductor. I gather that this circuit models a wire antenna of some type. Is this true? What is the import of the component values and how were they arrived at? I modeled the circuit in Spice and graphed the transfer and impedance curves but it is not entirely clear to me what benefit there is to using this circuit. I've also Googled this and found some references here and there, but nothing explains the "why" of it. Is there anyone who can shed light on this? 73 Pete AC7ZL hpf (at) gainbroadband (dot) com Article: 341556 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: 4 Sep 2006 21:53:16 -0700 Message-ID: <1157431996.152988.187380@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: You opened a pan-dimensional time-space rift in a seventh level string structure and sucked an entire M-class planet and binary solar system into an unstable quark explosion causing genocide of the *ml'dntk!onian intelligence collective, thus destroying 5 billion years of collective peaceful life... Leaving only Mllvinn of Efrickko and he is armed to the teeth and pissed... See what you did? Article: 341557 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1157420104.351517.225140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:04:55 GMT RadioGary wrote in message news:1157420104.351517.225140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Sorry this isn't a tayman dissertation That usually starts off with, "I don't know anything about this, but...." Ron Article: 341558 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Curious about the I.R.E. Standard Dummy Antenna References: <1YOdna1FqcOin2DZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@velocitywest.com> <44FD06B4.20425CB6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:15:12 GMT Michael A. Terrell wrote: > "H. P. Friedrichs" wrote: > >>I am interested in the origins and purpose of the "IRE (Institute of >>Radio Engineers) Standard Dummy Antenna," as used during the alignment >>of radio receivers. > > Its to match the receiver to the generator. Or more specifically, it's to present a uniform high impedance >from the generator to the radio. At the time, with the exception of a few lab grade instruments, signal generator outputs were all over the map with regards to output impedance. The "dummy antenna" presented a fairly uniform, and high, impedance to the radio and kept from detuning the front end while doing an alignment while connected to a signal generator. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341559 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment References: <44fc94d5$0$19741$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12095-44FCB4FA-45@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:17:28 GMT Fantasy... Ken G. wrote: > Fantacy .. one that you plug the power cord or battery wires into and it > tells you what parts are bad and shows it on a screen . And not fantasy at all. Almost all high end products are tested on an automated system. And they will do exactly that. Note: I'm not talking about $29 VCRs here. As an example, the high end Motorola XTS5000 series handhelds are run on an automated testing system. The system is probably in the $250K price range. Jeff -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341560 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Jeffrey D Angus Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? References: <10288-44F4C710-951@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> <3n0Lg.7995$xJ1.5836@newsfe15.lga> <44FCFC0A.2A14F4FF@earthlink.net> <1157431996.152988.187380@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 05:19:04 GMT And this is a prime example of why people here think you're an idiot. Jeff Steven wrote: > You opened a pan-dimensional time-space rift in a seventh level string > structure and sucked an entire M-class planet and binary solar system > into an unstable quark explosion causing genocide of the *ml'dntk!onian > intelligence collective, thus destroying 5 billion years of collective > peaceful life... > > Leaving only Mllvinn of Efrickko and he is armed to the teeth and > pissed... > > See what you did? > -- RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341561 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Madness Subject: Re: When It Rains.... References: <1157410376.636560.64480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 06:37:45 GMT Hmmm, when I read that the first time, it sounded like you ordered this stuff and Fed UPS (what we'd get if the two biggest non-postal parcel couriers merged!) dumped all that stuff outside your door, in the rain. Trust me, I've taken in soggy packages, before! Peter Wieck wrote: > We were at our summer house for the holiday weekend. Imagine my > surprise when I looked out the front door and found... without > provenance, no note, no nothing, no phone call: > > Marantz 2020 (Pacific Rim) AM/FM Tuner > Marantz 1030B ( " " ) Integrated Amp > AR TO4 ( " ") AM/FM Tuner W/Remote!! > Revox (!!) B760 Tuner > Kenwood Tube FM-Only Receiver, uses 6BQ5 PP Drivers, no number or > nameplate. > Eico Signal Tracer > > Now, they have some issues. The Marantz tuner has its AM Antenna joint > broken. > The Revox is missing its front legs, and has been dropped on one > corner. > The Kenwood is throughout dryer-lint, or similar. > The signal tracer looks like it was stored in a garage. > The AR & The Marantz integrated amp have no visible flaws. > > Untested as of yet. I will start with the Kenwood. > > Didn't even have to dumpster dive. > > ADDENDUM: For cost of shipping: Eico Signal Tracer. No probe, > untested. Others may follow. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 341562 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "philsvintageradios" Subject: weird tabletop Date: 5 Sep 2006 00:54:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1157442876.813106.74380@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> what is it with this cabinet? looks like a square wood box, but with plastic overtop? nothing to rave over but it sure is odd looking. I have no connection to the auction 120027390765 Phil Article: 341563 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: 5 Sep 2006 01:22:15 -0700 Message-ID: <1157444535.110743.108410@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > And this is a prime example of why people here think you're an idiot. > > Jeff > > Steven wrote: > > > You opened a pan-dimensional time-space rift in a seventh level string > > structure and sucked an entire M-class planet and binary solar system > > into an unstable quark explosion causing genocide of the *ml'dntk!onian > > intelligence collective, thus destroying 5 billion years of collective > > peaceful life... > > > > Leaving only Mllvinn of Efrickko and he is armed to the teeth and > > pissed... > > > > See what you did? > > > republican aren't you Will you scar if I plonk you? Article: 341564 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment Date: 5 Sep 2006 01:28:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1157444883.945825.317390@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44fc94d5$0$19741$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> Jeffrey D Angus wrote: > Fantasy... > > Ken G. wrote: > > > Fantacy .. one that you plug the power cord or battery wires into and it > > tells you what parts are bad and shows it on a screen . > > And not fantasy at all. Almost all high end products are tested > on an automated system. And they will do exactly that. > > Note: I'm not talking about $29 VCRs here. As an example, the > high end Motorola XTS5000 series handhelds are run on an > automated testing system. The system is probably in the $250K > price range. He's got a quarter Million to find the bad section of a potted thing in a '35 Philco, and to know the transformer got peed on by a fieldmouse, plus the speaker is incorrect but unlabeled. "Hey! It can happen"! Judy Tenuta, 20th century comedian Article: 341565 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1157410376.636560.64480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: When It Rains.... Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:27:57 GMT Although I haven't been lucky enough to receive much old radio equipment in this manner, I've indeed come across some pretty nice records. I suppose that's an advantage of using records when I DJ at car shows, word gets around. Every so often I get someone's collection; either a closet gets cleaned out, or some relative dies and the family ends up with the records. Either way I get stacks of 45's for free (I turn down LP's, but will certainly take 78's.) The bad news is that the vast majority of it is crap -- stuff I already have, or am not interested in. However, every box seems to have at least a few "jewels" in it. As an example I recently had someone drive up to me at a car show, hand me a big box of records, then drive off. I brought the box home to find mostly country music, Kenny Rogers and such -- but -- I also found some classic Patsy Cline, along with Jerry Lee Lewis on the Sun label! I'm also surprised at the number of DJ copies that somehow get mixed in -- certainly not complaining! -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Peter Wieck" wrote in message news:1157410376.636560.64480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > We were at our summer house for the holiday weekend. Imagine my > surprise when I looked out the front door and found... without > provenance, no note, no nothing, no phone call: > > Marantz 2020 (Pacific Rim) AM/FM Tuner > Marantz 1030B ( " " ) Integrated Amp > AR TO4 ( " ") AM/FM Tuner W/Remote!! > Revox (!!) B760 Tuner > Kenwood Tube FM-Only Receiver, uses 6BQ5 PP Drivers, no number or > nameplate. > Eico Signal Tracer > > Now, they have some issues. The Marantz tuner has its AM Antenna joint > broken. > The Revox is missing its front legs, and has been dropped on one > corner. > The Kenwood is throughout dryer-lint, or similar. > The signal tracer looks like it was stored in a garage. > The AR & The Marantz integrated amp have no visible flaws. > > Untested as of yet. I will start with the Kenwood. > > Didn't even have to dumpster dive. > > ADDENDUM: For cost of shipping: Eico Signal Tracer. No probe, > untested. Others may follow. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Article: 341566 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <44fc94d5$0$19741$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12095-44FCB4FA-45@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 09:54:58 GMT Didn't go far enough -- THIS is fantasy: A piece of test equipment that not only determines what the bad component/components are, but fixes them. How about hooking these up to an old Zenith console, and pressing a button to check for and identify bad/intermittent solder connections. Then with a certain radiation frequency high voltage, actually apply heat to those particular connections to remelt them. Next button, check for leaky caps. Yes, if you can test these things in-circuit, you can certainly fix them as well! Apply a certain voltage/frequency that can actually reverse the corrosion process, while boiling the cap in such a way as to remove contamination from the paper dielectric and remelt/reseal the wax coating. Next button checks resistors. At this point I would suspect the tester needs to know what the resistances are supposed to be, so it would include an optical reader to gain this information -- actually for ALL the components. Just open up your Rider's book and set it on the scanner. Now -- I can't think of a way to fix an open resistor, but since we're dealing in fantasy anyway, it can do it. It can also detect -- and this is probably its greatest asset -- where some stupid tech has monkeyed with the circuit and re-engineered something. It will print out a schematic of what it sees, with the discrepancy printed in red. To continue, it can then, in circuit, perform a mutual conductance test on every tube. It can also detect dirty sockets, cleaning them in a similar manner to its fixing of bad solder joints. Next is alignment mode. Compared to everything listed above, this would be the easy part. Phase I is IF -- it feeds 455, or 460, 262, or whatever it's supposed to be from the Rider's page, allowing you to tweak it up. Phase II provides a signal into the room, receivable by the antenna, of 540, 1000, 1400, and 1600 (or 1500 if the set was built before 1940) simultaneously, allowing you to calibrate the dial. Next test, which is real easy, do an audio frequency sweep to determine if there are any rattles in the speaker or cabinet. Oh yes, and the most important part, that I began this thread with -- it will have a very small footprint on the bench, and a flat top so you can put your VTVM on it -- just in case you still want to use your VTVM for something. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:IL7Lg.9550$Cs3.5618@tornado.socal.rr.com... > Fantasy... > > Ken G. wrote: > >> Fantacy .. one that you plug the power cord or battery wires into and it >> tells you what parts are bad and shows it on a screen . > > And not fantasy at all. Almost all high end products are tested > on an automated system. And they will do exactly that. > > Note: I'm not talking about $29 VCRs here. As an example, the > high end Motorola XTS5000 series handhelds are run on an > automated testing system. The system is probably in the $250K > price range. > > Jeff > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341567 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "DeeExxx" Subject: Re: Transistor T-0s at 19M and Above Date: 5 Sep 2006 03:32:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1157452371.949063.268630@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1157286527.425892.159160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Steven wrote: > DeeExxx wrote: > > Steven wrote: > > > DeeExxx wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have two transistor T-Os, a 1000 and a 7000 (the older version of the > > > > 7000). The 1000 was professionally serviced and re-aligned. The 7000 > > > > does not seem to need realignment. However, both radios don't seem to > > > > respond much on 19M and above. I have a lot of QRM at my location , > > > > most of it self-inflicted with PCs and various other RF emitters. I > > > > also live near an airport and there are strong harmonics in the MF and > > > > lower HF bands. I've tried the 19M and higher bands during afternoons, > > > > and there is not much difference. If anyone can give my some insight as > > > > to this deafness, I'd be most grateful. BTW, I was a tech long ago, but > > > > I leave the alignment to an EE pal of mine. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > I was getting Air America at 1600? from maybe Portland on a Royal 880 > > > about a week or so back and I suspect there's been a recent peak in > > > e-skip on MW *just a hunch*, but I don't know about 19 meters. as I > > > haven't been there for awhile, but if you say it's dead between 15-17 > > > MHz, is it actually dead, are you getting birdies as I would if my > > > 'crappy' noisy computer stuff was on, or is the band just dead at this > > > time from poor propagation thank to that lucky old sun? > > > > > > Phil Nelson's website http://www.antiqueradio.org/welcome.htm and > > > Peter Wieck are quite knowledged about T-Os and Phil should have a page > > > on the 7000s that will be of great help to you > > > > Yeah, thanks, I am aware of Phil and I will e-mail him. I need to > > borrow a signal gen and see if the radios actually respond. I am > > getting noise and sometimes hear RTTY signals on these bands. > > That sounds about right to my memory but do you get any traces of WWV > 15 MHz? If you can't but others will, sounds like time to operate. I listened last night. The noise at 15 MHz is pretty bad, and 10 MHz is the only dependable WWV freq at my location. Did not mean to imply the radios are dead above 19M, just seems a great deal of noise and not a lot of usable signal.Yes, I'm getting birdies. I'm wondering if the gain at 19M and above is sufficient to overcome noise or if the RF gain just poops out above a certain frequency. I know that the RF transistors are supposed to be carefuly selected for maximum gain, but I wonder if mine have deteriorated over time. Transistor equipment is now what, 50 years old, and in the case of my 1000, 47 years old. Article: 341568 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "L." References: <10288-44F4C710-951@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net> <3n0Lg.7995$xJ1.5836@newsfe15.lga> <44FCFC0A.2A14F4FF@earthlink.net> <1157431996.152988.187380@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 06:49:10 -0400 Message-ID: <44fd5617$0$6851$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> Dare I ask what all that dribble was? It made absolutely NO sense. Reminds me of crap coming from many Psychotic patients I've dealt with in earlier years. Yep Steve - I have to agree with the crowd for sure - you are GONE....... If you're not already IN an institution for mentally ill, someone should strongly consider such a move. Man, this dude is either WAY OUT......... On some damned good pills......... reading some whacked out Space Science Fiction - OR "all" three. See - this is what happens when you allow free access from Public Computers. L. "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:cN7Lg.9551$Cs3.1074@tornado.socal.rr.com... > And this is a prime example of why people here think you're an idiot. > > Jeff > > Steven wrote: > >> You opened a pan-dimensional time-space rift in a seventh level string >> structure and sucked an entire M-class planet and binary solar system >> into an unstable quark explosion causing genocide of the *ml'dntk!onian >> intelligence collective, thus destroying 5 billion years of collective >> peaceful life... >> >> Leaving only Mllvinn of Efrickko and he is armed to the teeth and >> pissed... >> >> See what you did? >> > > -- > RESTRICTED AREA. Anyone intruding shall immediately become subject to > the jurisdiction of military law. Intruders will be subject to lethal > force, without warning, and on sight. USE OF DEADLY FORCE IS AUTHORIZED > under the Internal Security Act of 1950. Article: 341569 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "William Sommerwerck" References: <1156340416.910462.283150@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Mystery Turntable Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 03:59:55 -0700 Message-ID: <6PGdnTpyf6owxWDZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com> > Back in the late 50's, my uncle owned an electronic shop and he > got in all kinds of new product from Braun as part of market testing > and I'm sure they had a tiny little record player that seems to be > what you described. He had all kinds of Braun equipment, a lot > of which I never saw reach the market. That one did, I believe. I remember it on a TIME cover, ca 1958, something about "Those incredible new gadgets". (I don't know the name of the artist, but he's still remembered for his high-tech images.) The Braun was the size of a large transistor radio. The record fit under the lid, and an arm popped out from the side. Article: 341570 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1YOdna1FqcOin2DZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@velocitywest.com> <44FD06B4.20425CB6@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Curious about the I.R.E. Standard Dummy Antenna Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:19:15 GMT "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message news:AJ7Lg.9549$Cs3.4981@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > Or more specifically, it's to present a uniform high impedance > from the generator to the radio. At the time, with the exception > of a few lab grade instruments, signal generator outputs were all > over the map with regards to output impedance. The "dummy antenna" > presented a fairly uniform, and high, impedance to the radio and > kept from detuning the front end while doing an alignment while > connected to a signal generator. > > Jeff > Ahhh, so for the very first time, I finally hear an answer to one of those things that I've scratched my head about for years! I've often wondered why the literature always says to stick a capacitor inline from the signal generator -- I figured if I had to do this all the time, then why didn't the signal generator maker put one in there? Turns out, usually they do, but it's probably not an impedance match. Still, for most radios I just stick the probe to the antenna and go to town. It's fine for the IF -- enough of it gets past the RF to give me a workable signal. Then for RF I use whatever frequency I need to check/adjust the LO. For final RF adjustments I plug in the antenna and tweak it up on a weak station. Again, I probably differ from most of you because I work mainly with car radios. I already have a pretty decent antenna at the bench -- some $10 special from Auto Zone -- that does a great job. On a conversion there are no RF adjustments; on a repair/rebuild, I can do every adjustment except one, the one which must be done inside the car anyway -- the antenna trimmer. However even this gets checked -- I've noticed that with my bench antenna, the trimmer usually adjusts toward the "high" end, with the screw fairly loose. So if the trimmer tweaks in this area I'm fine. If it tweaks "tight", or not at all, I'll adjust the slug as needed -- or troubleshoot. Actually it is rare that I ever have such a problem -- with one exception: the 58-60 T-Bird radios. Even these are just fine, usually, but I've had a number of them whose front ends are way off. I've spent many hours trying to figure out why, and come up with nothing. I've replaced RF caps, checked the range of trimmers, checked resistor tolerances, and basically gone over the circuit with a fine tooth comb. Everything checks perfect, but the alignment is out. So I adjust the tuning slug -- a pretty fair distance -- to bring it in line. I've had a couple that were so far off that I had to tinker with the others as well. It's really fun because those slugs are WAA-AAY up in there, and difficult to reach. You can't do it with a non-ferocious screwdriver, or even a ferocious one -- it's too tight. You have to reach the shaft with needle-nose. In any case, all this fun aside, I can tinker and bring it into line -- but I still wonder why I have to do it in the first place. I think my next step in this "investigation" is to spend time with the next 58-60 T-Bird I get for conversion. If it's a good radio, when I disassemble I'll measure the tuning slugs, trimmers, fixed coils, etc., and write them down for reference. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com Article: 341571 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lee Subject: Re: Mystery Turntable Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:59:20 -0400 Message-ID: References: <1156340416.910462.283150@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <6PGdnTpyf6owxWDZnZ2dnUVZ_rOdnZ2d@comcast.com> William Sommerwerck wrote: >> Back in the late 50's, my uncle owned an electronic shop and he >> got in all kinds of new product from Braun as part of market testing >> and I'm sure they had a tiny little record player that seems to be >> what you described. He had all kinds of Braun equipment, a lot >> of which I never saw reach the market. > > That one did, I believe. I remember it on a TIME cover, ca 1958, something > about "Those incredible new gadgets". (I don't know the name of the artist, > but he's still remembered for his high-tech images.) The Braun was the size > of a large transistor radio. The record fit under the lid, and an arm popped > out from the side. > > William..... did a quick search. Have a look a few images down the page...... www.core77.com/clogged/braun/ Regards Lee Article: 341572 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Ken Subject: Re: Curious about the I.R.E. Standard Dummy Antenna References: <1YOdna1FqcOin2DZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@velocitywest.com> <44FD06B4.20425CB6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 07:59:31 -0400 Maybe the slugs have lost some permeability. Which way do you have to tune, more or less inductance? Ken Gary Tayman wrote: > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > news:AJ7Lg.9549$Cs3.4981@tornado.socal.rr.com... > >>Or more specifically, it's to present a uniform high impedance >>from the generator to the radio. At the time, with the exception >>of a few lab grade instruments, signal generator outputs were all >>over the map with regards to output impedance. The "dummy antenna" >>presented a fairly uniform, and high, impedance to the radio and >>kept from detuning the front end while doing an alignment while >>connected to a signal generator. >> >>Jeff >> > > > Ahhh, so for the very first time, I finally hear an answer to one of those > things that I've scratched my head about for years! > > I've often wondered why the literature always says to stick a capacitor > inline from the signal generator -- I figured if I had to do this all the > time, then why didn't the signal generator maker put one in there? Turns > out, usually they do, but it's probably not an impedance match. Still, for > most radios I just stick the probe to the antenna and go to town. It's fine > for the IF -- enough of it gets past the RF to give me a workable signal. > Then for RF I use whatever frequency I need to check/adjust the LO. For > final RF adjustments I plug in the antenna and tweak it up on a weak > station. > > Again, I probably differ from most of you because I work mainly with car > radios. I already have a pretty decent antenna at the bench -- some $10 > special from Auto Zone -- that does a great job. On a conversion there are > no RF adjustments; on a repair/rebuild, I can do every adjustment except > one, the one which must be done inside the car anyway -- the antenna > trimmer. However even this gets checked -- I've noticed that with my bench > antenna, the trimmer usually adjusts toward the "high" end, with the screw > fairly loose. So if the trimmer tweaks in this area I'm fine. If it tweaks > "tight", or not at all, I'll adjust the slug as needed -- or troubleshoot. > > Actually it is rare that I ever have such a problem -- with one exception: > the 58-60 T-Bird radios. Even these are just fine, usually, but I've had a > number of them whose front ends are way off. I've spent many hours trying > to figure out why, and come up with nothing. I've replaced RF caps, checked > the range of trimmers, checked resistor tolerances, and basically gone over > the circuit with a fine tooth comb. Everything checks perfect, but the > alignment is out. So I adjust the tuning slug -- a pretty fair distance -- > to bring it in line. I've had a couple that were so far off that I had to > tinker with the others as well. It's really fun because those slugs are > WAA-AAY up in there, and difficult to reach. You can't do it with a > non-ferocious screwdriver, or even a ferocious one -- it's too tight. You > have to reach the shaft with needle-nose. In any case, all this fun aside, > I can tinker and bring it into line -- but I still wonder why I have to do > it in the first place. > > I think my next step in this "investigation" is to spend time with the next > 58-60 T-Bird I get for conversion. If it's a good radio, when I disassemble > I'll measure the tuning slugs, trimmers, fixed coils, etc., and write them > down for reference. > Article: 341573 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lee Subject: Some interesting old radios Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:24:19 -0400 Message-ID: While I was looking for something else, I ran across this site. Some great pic. http://www.radiosanciennes.com/radio-ancienne/postes-preferes/ Regards Lee Article: 341574 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "J.B. Wood" Subject: Philco Predicta Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:26:53 -0400 Message-ID: Hello, everyone. The Philco Predicta line of television receivers were certainly some of the most eye-catching (even when turned off!) appliances ever manufactured. I understand that they can be a bear to restore, though. Has anyone had any experience restoring any of these? Thanks for your time and comment. Sincerely, Article: 341575 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Lee Subject: Re: Some interesting old radios Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 08:36:34 -0400 Message-ID: References: Lee wrote: > While I was looking for something else, I ran across this site. > Some great pic. > > http://www.radiosanciennes.com/radio-ancienne/postes-preferes/ > > Regards > Lee Another one... http://www.rolaa.de/sehensw/radio/bilder/koffer/koffer_e.htm I was searching for some history on the Braun Appliance Company when I saw these. Regards Lee Article: 341576 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "David_Winter" Subject: Need schematic between antenna and 6A8 for AC/DC set Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 15:44:33 +0200 Message-ID: <44fd7f41$0$2775$626a54ce@news.free.fr> Hi, I have a non-working AC/DC set which has a dead band selector block. The band selector/switch block has several small coils and capacitors, allowing to switch between european bands (MW, LW and SW). As this radio is only to be used in the USA I would like to replace the circuits of this block by a simpler one which receives only on the usual 550-1600 AM band. The chassis uses 6A8 (or 6E8), 6Q7, 6K7, 6AF7; 25Z6, 25L6 tubes. Its wiring is almost same as the schematic which can be found here: http://www.retro-forum.com/download.php?id=16148 Does anybody have a typical schematic of the section I want build for this chassis (already recaped) ? Thanks, David Winter Article: 341577 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anti-Dinius" Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: 5 Sep 2006 06:58:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1157464713.310331.81900@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: Steven wrote: > L. wrote: > > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message > > news:HR0Lg.12842$S_5.11191@tornado.socal.rr.com... > > > > > > > > > Steven wrote: > > > > > >> She made out better than I have lately (oh vey) > > > > > > Pay attention idiot, she died. > > > Unless you're implying you'd be better off dead. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > Steven - you are ONE STUPID -OR- IS IT - SICK MUTHA.......... It wasn't SHE > > who made out on ANYTHING. > > > > L. > > If you're going to pull shit out of context too, that's nice. Sorry if > she's dead but you still shot the deer with a howitzer and hit another > hunter. Nobody makes enough of your stuff until you're dead. Sad. > > Go stab somebody outside a bar or something. Your attempt to invoke pity for yourself faied and then you get upset at the people that don't want the group filled with your garbage. Unbelievable! Article: 341578 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Re: Philco Predicta Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 07:50:40 -0600 Message-ID: <20925-44FD80B0-263@storefull-3237.bay.webtv.net> References: I have done a couple . They are a bit hard to work on and time consuming If (lets just say when ) the picture is bad it gets expensive . I also believe the price of these has fallen . Article: 341579 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anti-Dinius" Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: 5 Sep 2006 07:03:08 -0700 Message-ID: <1157464987.986469.71640@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: Steven wrote: > You opened a pan-dimensional time-space rift in a seventh level string > structure and sucked an entire M-class planet and binary solar system > into an unstable quark explosion causing genocide of the *ml'dntk!onian > intelligence collective, thus destroying 5 billion years of collective > peaceful life... > > Leaving only Mllvinn of Efrickko and he is armed to the teeth and > pissed... > > See what you did? You're making a fool of yourself again. This post serves no purpose whatsoever. You shouldn't have wasted your time typing it in. Article: 341580 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anti-Dinius" Subject: Re: Back from vacation Date: 5 Sep 2006 07:09:31 -0700 Message-ID: <1157465371.183962.294420@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44FB9C9F.6A66B7B9@earthlink.net> Steven wrote: > BTW I got my Zenith 10D2 chassis and let Nick work on it, as he's done > one before and every socket was loose enough to give out Allied > secrets. Good news was it's been recapped before and no crappy rubber > insulation, plus it seems to be all there and the 15 inch speaker was a > wonderous sight to behold. So, you finally get a radio you can work on to gain some credibility with the group and you hand it off to someone else. Way to go... Article: 341581 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anti-Dinius" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 5 Sep 2006 07:22:58 -0700 Message-ID: <1157466178.206299.57180@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Steven wrote: > > It's going to be a long winter and a strip furnace in the livingroom > ain't gonna work well or be cheap so I debate using those damned heater > fans again (I really don't like them but they are far cheaper the > natural gas). I've got until November to finish buying what I > want/need, then wait unitl March maybe. I do have time to sit and work > on stuff at least. Nobody cares about your personal life. Just letting you know so we don't have to hear about your heat situation with each cold snap. If you want to improve your quality of life then get a job. BTW... there shouldn't be anything left of your handout for the wants after the needs are met. Article: 341582 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steve" References: Subject: Re: Philco Predicta Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 07:24:58 -0700 Message-ID: <44fd88bc$0$34500$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net> I worked on one for a friend years ago. One of the most difficult sets I've ever had to work on. The chassis looks like a rats nest. No desire to own one. Steve Article: 341583 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "L." References: <1157402383.256577.221590@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44fc9c32$0$6825$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1157416048.123969.49590@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157464713.310331.81900@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:32:09 -0400 Message-ID: <44fd8a5a$0$6844$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Anti-Dinius" wrote in message news:1157464713.310331.81900@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Steven wrote: >> L. wrote: >> > "Jeffrey D Angus" wrote in message >> > news:HR0Lg.12842$S_5.11191@tornado.socal.rr.com... >> > > >> > > >> > > Steven wrote: >> > > >> > >> She made out better than I have lately (oh vey) >> > > >> > > Pay attention idiot, she died. >> > > Unless you're implying you'd be better off dead. >> > > >> > > Jeff >> > > >> > >> > Steven - you are ONE STUPID -OR- IS IT - SICK MUTHA.......... It wasn't >> > SHE >> > who made out on ANYTHING. >> > >> > L. >> >> If you're going to pull shit out of context too, that's nice. Sorry if >> she's dead but you still shot the deer with a howitzer and hit another >> hunter. Nobody makes enough of your stuff until you're dead. Sad. >> >> Go stab somebody outside a bar or something. > > Your attempt to invoke pity for yourself faied and then you get upset > at the people that don't want the group filled with your garbage. > Unbelievable! > Tell ya what DIMWIT - I have a bar you can stand outside of and I can ASSURE YOU - with your stupidity and mouth, "you" will be the next to be handled however. Many "boys" have had their asses kicked and handed to them there. Want the location? I'll be happy to give it to you. Who knows, it may even be me coming out the door - to hand you your ass! ANY "profit" and I use that term loosely - is a sick way to make out. I'm STILL trying to make sense out of your reply and I'm sorry - no can do. ANY reply such as you've made - mocking the death of someone's mother - is WAY out of bounds no matter HOW you try to color it. 1. "you still shot the deer with a howitzer and hit another hunter." WHAT THE HELL did this have to do with anything? 2. "Nobody makes enough of your stuff until you're dead." MOST people don't look to "prosper" on a loved one's death. 3. "If you're going to pull shit out of context too, that's nice." Pull shit out of context? DUDE - YOU WRITE out of context. You're delusional. 4. " Sorry if she's dead" - man that is sick. You owe that guy a sincere apology and just stop it right there. YOU DO NEED HELP. L. Article: 341584 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Cox" Subject: Looking for Westinghouse W-1516X or picture Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:39:15 GMT I'm looking for a picture of a 1936-37 W-1516X Radio. I found the schematic but no pictures or radio. Thanks Mark mjcox@ns.sympatico.ca Article: 341585 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anti-Dinius" Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: 5 Sep 2006 07:49:10 -0700 Message-ID: <1157467750.487338.252190@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: L. wrote: > > Tell ya what DIMWIT - I have a bar you can stand outside of and I can ASSURE > YOU - with your stupidity and mouth, "you" will be the next to be handled > however. Many "boys" have had their asses kicked and handed to them there. > Want the location? I'll be happy to give it to you. Who knows, it may even > be me coming out the door - to hand you your ass! > > ANY "profit" and I use that term loosely - is a sick way to make out. I'm > STILL trying to make sense out of your reply and I'm sorry - no can do. ANY > reply such as you've made - mocking the death of someone's mother - is WAY > out of bounds no matter HOW you try to color it. > > 1. "you still shot the deer with a howitzer and hit another hunter." WHAT > THE HELL did this have to do with anything? > > 2. "Nobody makes enough of your stuff until you're dead." MOST people don't > look to "prosper" on a loved one's death. > > 3. "If you're going to pull shit out of context too, that's nice." Pull shit > out of context? DUDE - YOU WRITE out of context. You're delusional. > > 4. " Sorry if she's dead" - man that is sick. You owe that guy a sincere > apology and just stop it right there. > > YOU DO NEED HELP. > > L. Give 'em Hell, L! Article: 341586 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "L." References: <1157402383.256577.221590@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44fc9c32$0$6825$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1157416048.123969.49590@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157464713.310331.81900@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44fd8a5a$0$6844$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1157467750.487338.252190@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: <44fd937e$0$6845$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Anti-Dinius" wrote in message news:1157467750.487338.252190@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... > > L. wrote: >> >> Tell ya what DIMWIT - I have a bar you can stand outside of and I can >> ASSURE >> YOU - with your stupidity and mouth, "you" will be the next to be handled >> however. Many "boys" have had their asses kicked and handed to them >> there. >> Want the location? I'll be happy to give it to you. Who knows, it may >> even >> be me coming out the door - to hand you your ass! >> >> ANY "profit" and I use that term loosely - is a sick way to make out. I'm >> STILL trying to make sense out of your reply and I'm sorry - no can do. >> ANY >> reply such as you've made - mocking the death of someone's mother - is >> WAY >> out of bounds no matter HOW you try to color it. >> >> 1. "you still shot the deer with a howitzer and hit another hunter." WHAT >> THE HELL did this have to do with anything? >> >> 2. "Nobody makes enough of your stuff until you're dead." MOST people >> don't >> look to "prosper" on a loved one's death. >> >> 3. "If you're going to pull shit out of context too, that's nice." Pull >> shit >> out of context? DUDE - YOU WRITE out of context. You're delusional. >> >> 4. " Sorry if she's dead" - man that is sick. You owe that guy a >> sincere >> apology and just stop it right there. >> >> YOU DO NEED HELP. >> >> L. > > Give 'em Hell, L! > Under the circumstances, that is all I can do. A good foot up his ass would be my next option. Maybe even have to send him to get some "dentures". Damned sicko. L. Article: 341587 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Art's Antique Radios" References: Subject: Re: Scott Knobs Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:35:59 -0500 Message-ID: I emailed Larry but have not heard back yet Don't know how long he takes to respond "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:rcGdnd3SYenoxWHZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > Almost no originals around. Go to Larry Bordonaro at > www.antiqueradioknobs.com for the repros. > > Mark Oppat > > > "Art's Antique Radios" wrote in message > news:gY2dnd7WzJCMrmHZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> I am looking for a complete set of knobs for a Scott Philharmonic. > Original >> or repro. >> >> Can you help? >> >> >> >> > > > Article: 341588 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Larry Fowkes" References: Subject: Re: Philco Predicta Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:44:38 GMT Phil Nelson has an article on his web site covering his restoration on a Predicta. Looks to be quite a chore, but it is an interesting read, as are all his restoration articles. http://www.antiqueradio.org/philc12.htm Larry Fowkes "J.B. Wood" wrote in message news:edjqeh$669$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil... > Hello, everyone. The Philco Predicta line of television receivers were > certainly some of the most eye-catching (even when turned off!) > appliances ever manufactured. I understand that they can be a bear to > restore, though. Has anyone had any experience restoring any of these? > Thanks for your time and comment. Sincerely, Article: 341589 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: Subject: Re: Scott Knobs Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:52:43 -0400 Message-ID: <7_KdnZpFx8HMAWDZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com> quite a while, you have to be VERY patient, like with me sometimes too. Larry is gone for a few days I think. Mark Oppat "Art's Antique Radios" wrote in message news:S_udnT6Dc9rBBGDZnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com... > I emailed Larry but have not heard back yet > > Don't know how long he takes to respond > > > "Mark Oppat" wrote in message > news:rcGdnd3SYenoxWHZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > Almost no originals around. Go to Larry Bordonaro at > > www.antiqueradioknobs.com for the repros. > > > > Mark Oppat > > > > > > "Art's Antique Radios" wrote in message > > news:gY2dnd7WzJCMrmHZnZ2dnUVZ_vGdnZ2d@comcast.com... > >> I am looking for a complete set of knobs for a Scott Philharmonic. > > Original > >> or repro. > >> > >> Can you help? > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Article: 341590 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Peter Wieck" Subject: Re: Need schematic between antenna and 6A8 for AC/DC set Date: 5 Sep 2006 09:22:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1157473374.854335.6250@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <44fd7f41$0$2775$626a54ce@news.free.fr> David_Winter wrote: > Does anybody have a typical schematic of the section I want build for this > chassis (already recaped) ? David: Here is a schematic for the selector-switch section of a Zenith 6-tuber and also driven through a 6A8: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/212/M0025212.pdf That it is a transformer-type radio should not make that much difference. No coil values given, but to an extent, alignment will help if you are "close enough" otherwise. That radio had AM/SW/Police-Band... which I believe is close to your European LW. You have that signal-generator, that will help you tune in on the coils when you set up the system. I may have a parts-set that I could cannibalize for you if that would help. Let me know. Take care, Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA Article: 341591 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Beerbarrel Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Message-ID: References: <1157402383.256577.221590@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44fc9c32$0$6825$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1157416048.123969.49590@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157464713.310331.81900@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44fd8a5a$0$6844$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 12:42:11 -0400 On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 10:32:09 -0400, "L." wrote: >Tell ya what DIMWIT - I have a bar you can stand outside of and I can ASSURE >YOU - with your stupidity and mouth, "you" will be the next to be handled >however. Many "boys" have had their asses kicked and handed to them there. >Want the location? I'll be happy to give it to you. Who knows, it may even >be me coming out the door - to hand you your ass! > Hehe....I hope for your sake that you bring a Terex Titan to the bar. Steve is so fat that you will need it! Goodluck.... __________________________________________________________ Have you heard about the new arcade game? It's called 'Whack-a-nuck"! Article: 341592 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 5 Sep 2006 10:17:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1157476628.906358.197720@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1157234357.009901.256560@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > I own a Philco tube type clock radio.It works ok. I've fixed a couple Philco Transitone radios. They always seem to have bad IF transformers in them. Grrrr. Them and the Zeniths that used the one-inch by one-inch square cans - with the cardboard coil form coming out the middle. Either that or I always seem to end up with Philcos that have come up in the Flood or something. -- Steph Article: 341593 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mark Oppat" References: <1157214681.644175.198630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: top of the line Canadian DeForest Crosley console (not mine) Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:27:38 -0400 Message-ID: CRAP! missed that! just saw your post today. It was right in my area, about 50 mins away. Klaus of Alberta, CA got it. He has lots of high end Canadian consoles. Mark Oppat wrote in message news:1157214681.644175.198630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > FYI, on eBay (not mine!) > > Top of the line DeForest Crosley console (I think), > model 'Buckingham', 11-tube. Year is 1935/36. > Separate chassis for power supply. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120025798195&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 > > Has RF front-end tube, variable IF, push-pull 6F6 outputs, > tuning indicator lamp and good sounding 12'' speaker... > Diagram is available in 'Resources' of www.nostalgiaair.org > > I already have one such project... Heck, I would even buy this > 2nd one if I were closer, as my chassis was butchered > by one of the prior owner... > > Good luck, > Cheers, > - Sylvain in Ottawa, Canada. > > Article: 341594 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Frank Dresser" References: <1YOdna1FqcOin2DZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@velocitywest.com> Subject: Re: Curious about the I.R.E. Standard Dummy Antenna Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:11:25 GMT "H. P. Friedrichs" wrote in message news:1YOdna1FqcOin2DZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@velocitywest.com... > I am interested in the origins and purpose of the "IRE (Institute of > Radio Engineers) Standard Dummy Antenna," as used during the alignment > of radio receivers. > > I first came across this circuit in some old Hallicrafter's > documentation, which described the alignment of a particular radio. The > "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" consists of four components--- a 200pf cap > in series with a 20 uH inductor, which links the signal generator to the > receiver's antenna input. A 400 pF cap in series with a 400 ohm resistor > is connected in parallel with (shunts)the inductor. > > I gather that this circuit models a wire antenna of some type. Is this > true? What is the import of the component values and how were they > arrived at? I modeled the circuit in Spice and graphed the transfer and > impedance curves but it is not entirely clear to me what benefit there > is to using this circuit. > > I've also Googled this and found some references here and there, but > nothing explains the "why" of it. > > Is there anyone who can shed light on this? > > 73 > Pete > AC7ZL Yes, the dummy antenna models a wire resonant at 2.something Mc. I suppose that was taken to be more or less typical of the receiver antennas of the 30s. The dummy antenna's most important use is as a standardized load for measuring receiver sensitivity. Terman's Radio Engineer's Handbook has a few paragraphs on this. If you're just adjusting the RF coils, peaking them up on the antenna normally used would be as good or better. Any sort of loose coupling between the generator and RF coils will get you in the ballpark with most radios. Frank Dresser Article: 341595 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Speakers Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:11:26 -0500 Message-ID: <27756-44FDBDCE-507@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> Check out those fancy new Guitar Acoustic Speakers at www.onkyousa.com Heck,why not plop some speakers in an acoustic Guitar and see/listen to how it works? cuhulin Article: 341596 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:21:07 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: 45 playing time? (was: Re: RCA automobile 45 changer?) Message-ID: References: In article , Tim Mullen wrote: > In jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) writes: > > >RCA seems to have been the only Company to pick the theoretically optimum > >speed for the format they were developing. > > "Optimum" in what sense? The absolute best fidelity? The lowest > price? The smallest size? > > Often it means the best price-to-performance ratio, but this opens > up even more questions. I think what often happens is the price is > fixed, and performance falls where it will. > > Performance in this case also needs to be defined. Signal to noise > ratio? Durability? Playing time? Ease of use? Mechanical stability > under temperature extremes? > > My guess is that groove width had been set more-or-less empirically, > given the record materials they had to work with, which had also been > developed by trial-and-error while discovering what could be mass > produced. I'd also guess the diameter was chosen for marketing reasons, > such as storage space and ease of handling. I am trying to find the RCA article I mentioned, to see exactly what parameters RCA was concerned with in the design of the 45. In particular I don't remember how the groove and stylus parameters were set, or the maximum cutting amplitude. I do seem to remember that they had a goal for inner groove distortion. Size was certainly a parameter, I don't remember if the 7 inch diameter was a given, but I do remember that one objective was to maximize the label area. > For a desired recording length, which would be based on the duration > of the music, the only math left would be to calculate the maximum > rotations per minute. Assuming a given groove and stylus geometry, cutting amplitude, disk size, and playing time, the choice of speed would be slightly more complex than simply choosing "the maximum rotations per minute". Simply choosing the maximum speed that meets the playing time goal would be wasteful. Why wouldn't you choose the minimum speed that meets both the playing time goal and the desired inner grove distortion specification, this would maximize the label area? Or for that matter you might even find that you could cut the overall size of the record down a bit with a slower speed while still meeting the performance specifications. Actually there would seem to be quite a few tradeoffs to consider in designing a new format. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 341597 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:22:03 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: CORRECTION- What Does the12th Tube Do? Message-ID: References: <12ff739kcrho84c@corp.supernews.com> <1157157740.091132.86600@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com> <44f8d54e$0$19636$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> In article <44f8d54e$0$19636$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, "Paul Dietenberger" wrote: > "nesesu" wrote in message > news:1157157740.091132.86600@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > Some investigation showed that the AGC line was several volts positive, > > driving the IF tube to saturation. It turned out the 6E5 grid was > > acting as a diode and holding the AGC line just a bit positive and > > allowing the IF to run 'wide open'. The fault turned out to be a gassy > > 6SA7 putting out a large positive voltage from it's grid onto the AGC. > > There is a slight possibility that was the intended reason for a diode > > there, but I cannot see why they would bother. > > No, that probably is the reason. There are sets out there which have an > extra tube known as a "gas gate" whose sole purpose in life is to keep the > AGC line from going positive due to a gassy tube. Actually it seems unlikely that the reason for the incorporation of this diode in the design of a radio set was to shunt the grid current resulting >from a gassy tube to ground. If that were the true reason, and it was a useful feature, why didn't most AA5 radios incorporate the so called "gas diode"? Most AA5 radios, excepting the minority that use the second diode as an AGC rectifier, have an extra unused diode that could be connected as a "gas diode" at no extra cost, yet it wasn't done, why? Additionally if the "gas diode" were a truly useful circuit feature you would expect all high end radios, where cost is no object, to include them. Yet many, if not most, high end radios don't include "gas diodes". For example in the RCA HF-8 there is nary a "gas diode" to be seen. A somewhat ambiguous example is the Zenith Stratosphere, widely considered to be the ultimate high end radio, where there are 4 tubes controlled by the AGC circuit, yet a "gas diode" is used only on the AGC line feeding the mixer tube, leaving the other 3 tubes unprotected. Why is this, is the particular mixer tube used in the Stratosphere unusually subject to gas problems? Or is it simply that like the humble AA5, the Zenith Stratosphere had an extra leftover diode, which Zenith semi-randomly connected to the mixer grid because they didn't like the idea of leaving a tube section so obviously wasted? "Gas diodes" seem to appear mainly in middle of the road radios, which leads me to suspect that their true purpose is simply to inflate the tube count. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 341598 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:22:50 -0500 From: jbyrns@rcn.com (John Byrns) Subject: Re: Curious about the I.R.E. Standard Dummy Antenna Message-ID: References: <1YOdna1FqcOin2DZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@velocitywest.com> <44FD06B4.20425CB6@earthlink.net> In article , jangus@socal.rr.com wrote: > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > "H. P. Friedrichs" wrote: > > > >>I am interested in the origins and purpose of the "IRE (Institute of > >>Radio Engineers) Standard Dummy Antenna," as used during the alignment > >>of radio receivers. > > > > Its to match the receiver to the generator. > > Or more specifically, it's to present a uniform high impedance > from the generator to the radio. At the time, with the exception > of a few lab grade instruments, signal generator outputs were all > over the map with regards to output impedance. The "dummy antenna" > presented a fairly uniform, and high, impedance to the radio and > kept from detuning the front end while doing an alignment while > connected to a signal generator. This doesn't sound right, why would it be desirable "to present a uniform high impedance from the generator to the radio"? The impedance of the "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" is not exactly what I would call "high" especially on some of the short wave bands, exactly what is a high impedance in this context? It was my understanding that the purpose of the "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" was to provide a standard antenna to use for making performance measurements, as well as for alignment at the factory and on the service bench. As to the exact design of the of the "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna", I understood that it was meant to represent the impedance characteristics a typical antenna that might be used by a radio set owner. This topic has been discussed here before and I seem to vaguely remember that someone may have even dug up the exact nature of the antenna the "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" was designed to simulate. IIRC if you are only doing MW broadcast band alignments a single capacitor will provide a very good approximation of the "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" across the MW broadcast band. The coil, resistor and second capacitor are there mainly to provide the desired impedance on the short wave bands where the prototype antenna has resonant effects There are at least two problems that the "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" solves, the first being standardized measurements for obtaining performance specifications, as it is possible for a manufacturer to "improve" his products specifications by using his own specially designed "Dummy Antenna". The second problem is how to align sets in the factory, or on the service bench, when the final users actual antenna system is not available. The problem is that the alignment of the antenna stage of a radio is greatly affected by the impedance of the actual antenna that is used with the radio. The "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" provides an approximation of what was assumed to be a typical consumer antenna. Of course what you really want to do is align the set with the actual antenna attached that it is used with. Regards, John Byrns Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 341599 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Philco Predicta Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:16:54 -0500 Message-ID: <27756-44FDBF16-508@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: I think there are some new Predicta replica tv sets on the market.I dont remember the website for them. cuhulin Article: 341600 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: 5 Sep 2006 11:28:17 -0700 Message-ID: <1157480897.041024.271400@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: And the band played Ball of Confusion..... Have fun guys. You keep yakking at each other and I'll just note you're still talking to nobody and I'm not answering. Article: 341601 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: James Sweet Subject: Re: Fantasy test equipment References: <44fc94d5$0$19741$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> <12095-44FCB4FA-45@storefull-3233.bay.webtv.net> Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:28:55 GMT Gary Tayman wrote: > Didn't go far enough -- THIS is fantasy: A piece of test equipment that not > only determines what the bad component/components are, but fixes them. Wouldn't that take the fun out of the hobby? Article: 341602 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Transistor T-0s at 19M and Above Date: 5 Sep 2006 11:31:21 -0700 Message-ID: <1157481081.085217.18410@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: <1157286527.425892.159160@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > DeeExxx wrote: > > > > Steven wrote: > > > > > > That sounds about right to my memory but do you get any traces of WWV > > > 15 MHz? If you can't but others will, sounds like time to operate. > > > > I listened last night. The noise at 15 MHz is pretty bad, and 10 MHz is > > the only dependable WWV freq at my location. Did not mean to imply the > > radios are dead above 19M, just seems a great deal of noise and not a > > lot of usable signal.Yes, I'm getting birdies. I'm wondering if the > > gain at 19M and above is sufficient to overcome noise or if the RF gain > > just poops out above a certain frequency. I know that the RF > > transistors are supposed to be carefuly selected for maximum gain, but > > I wonder if mine have deteriorated over time. Transistor equipment is > > now what, 50 years old, and in the case of my 1000, 47 years old. > > > Steven is a know nothing troll. Don't waste your time with him. Michael rewound 2" quad video for AFRTS while Exray drank all his beer. He'll die soon and hey, thanks bud for trying to scare posters away! At least answer his question. Article: 341603 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Speakers Date: 5 Sep 2006 11:32:33 -0700 Message-ID: <1157481153.624994.72180@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <27756-44FDBDCE-507@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Check out those fancy new Guitar Acoustic Speakers at > www.onkyousa.com > > Heck,why not plop some speakers in an acoustic Guitar and see/listen to > how it works? > cuhulin I don't know. I never learned to play guitar. Article: 341604 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: Back from vacation Date: 5 Sep 2006 11:39:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1157481592.062128.34600@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: <44FB9C9F.6A66B7B9@earthlink.net> Anti-Dinius wrote: > Steven wrote: > > BTW I got my Zenith 10D2 chassis and let Nick work on it, as he's done > > one before and every socket was loose enough to give out Allied > > secrets. Good news was it's been recapped before and no crappy rubber > > insulation, plus it seems to be all there and the 15 inch speaker was a > > wonderous sight to behold. > > So, you finally get a radio you can work on to gain some credibility > with the group and you hand it off to someone else. Way to go... Yep. I've got 100 other things to do to pay bills and grandma won't live forever. I still haven't even gotten the soldering pencil to come up to tempoerature yet and I'm not going to practice fixing 15 very loose fixtures and sockets when I am short to pay somebody today. As for credibility? You contrary right wing douchebag! Don't give me the stringalong. Article: 341605 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Steven" Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: 5 Sep 2006 11:42:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1157481732.100872.133700@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: L. wrote: > Dare I ask what all that dribble was? It made absolutely NO sense. Reminds > me of crap coming from many Psychotic patients I've dealt with in earlier > years. Yep Steve - I have to agree with the crowd for sure - you are > GONE....... If you're not already IN an institution for mentally ill, > someone should strongly consider such a move. Man, this dude is either WAY > OUT......... On some damned good pills......... reading some whacked out > Space Science Fiction - OR "all" three. See - this is what happens when you > allow free access from Public Computers. Sorry, douchebaby. I'm not at the library. Article: 341606 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: cuhulin@webtv.net Subject: Re: Some interesting old radios Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 13:32:54 -0500 Message-ID: <27757-44FDC2D6-107@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> References: That Radios for advertising link.I own a Coca Cola bottle radio just like that one in the picture,and it does work too.I bought it about twelve years ago at the Goodwill store. cuhulin Article: 341607 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Stephanie Weil" Subject: Re: OT: Have you read about steorn? Date: 5 Sep 2006 11:51:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1157482300.569641.278600@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: <1157234274.464651.259400@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > Ohhhhh myyyy,,,,,, > cuhulin *winks* :D -- steph Article: 341608 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Koste" Subject: Re: Philco Predicta Date: 5 Sep 2006 12:34:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1157484899.856995.111610@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com> References: cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > I think there are some new Predicta replica tv sets on the market.I dont > remember the website for them. > cuhulin Try here: http://www.cbelec.com/pict.htm Or here: http://www.jukeboxgallery.com/jukebox_gallery_showroom/Predicta/predicta-uk.htm Mike Koste Gobs of Knobs Ambler, PA See you at Kutztown September 22-23 Article: 341609 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Mike Koste" Subject: Re: Philco Predicta Date: 5 Sep 2006 12:36:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1157485013.090327.77380@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> References: cuhulin@webtv.net wrote: > I think there are some new Predicta replica tv sets on the market.I dont > remember the website for them. > cuhulin Try here: http://www.cbelec.com/pict.htm Or here: http://www.jukeboxgallery.com/jukebox_gallery_showroom/Predicta/predicta-uk.htm Mike Koste Gobs of Knobs Ambler, PA See you at Kutztown September 22-23 Article: 341610 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Brian McAllister Subject: Re: Mystery Turntable Message-ID: References: <1156340416.910462.283150@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 19:58:27 GMT On 05 Sep 2006 04:38:57 GMT, Roger Blake wrote: >In article , Lee wrote: >> Back in the late 50's, my uncle owned an electronic shop and he got in >> all kinds of new product from Braun as part of market testing and I'm >> sure they had a tiny little record player that seems to be what you >> described. > >I know it wasn't a Braun, it would have been mid-to-late 1960s vintage. >It may have been a Lloyd's, or one of the many other 2nd-tier Japanese >brands that came and went during that time period. > >That player is long-gone but I currently do have a few Japanese-made >battery phonos, two of which carry well-known domestic American brand >names (Zenith and Singer). All use a smallish but conventional platter >and drive. In the late '60s, Westinghouse marketed a portable stereo phonograph, which included a standard BSR (UA15, ISTR) that was fitted with a 9VDC motor. Looking at the set, one would think that it was a standard AC driven phono. Brian McAllister Sarasota, Florida email bkm at oldtech dot net and@hope.thespambots.die Article: 341611 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Abridged pages in Riders??? Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:58:56 -0400 Message-ID: Where are the abridged pages? Looking up a Brunswick console model #11 or 12. Riders lists pages, then under a column titled "Abridged" it lists pages 2 and 3. Where are the "abridged" pages located? Blacksmith Scanned radio magazine sets and more. wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 341612 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "jim menning" References: Subject: Re: Abridged pages in Riders??? Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:06:35 GMT "Blacksmith" wrote in message news:aklrf29dh90spe1muoj469pf98ugnqehgl@4ax.com... > Where are the abridged pages? Looking up a Brunswick console model #11 > or 12. Riders lists pages, then under a column titled "Abridged" it > lists pages 2 and 3. > > Where are the "abridged" pages located? > > Blacksmith > Scanned radio magazine sets and more. > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom There were 23 separately numbered volumes, and an abridged combined version of #'s 1-5. jim menning Article: 341613 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "L." References: <1157402383.256577.221590@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <44fc9c32$0$6825$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1157416048.123969.49590@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <1157464713.310331.81900@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <44fd8a5a$0$6844$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <1157467750.487338.252190@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com> <44fd937e$0$6845$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> <44FDCF70.BE2A8B3F@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Bench cleaning?! muhamuhamuha!! Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:06:53 -0400 Message-ID: <44fdd8ce$0$6831$ecde5a14@news.coretel.net> "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message news:44FDCF70.BE2A8B3F@earthlink.net... > "L." wrote: >> >> "Anti-Dinius" wrote in message >> news:1157467750.487338.252190@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > L. wrote: >> >> >> >> Tell ya what DIMWIT - I have a bar you can stand outside of and I can >> >> ASSURE >> >> YOU - with your stupidity and mouth, "you" will be the next to be >> >> handled >> >> however. Many "boys" have had their asses kicked and handed to them >> >> there. >> >> Want the location? I'll be happy to give it to you. Who knows, it may >> >> even >> >> be me coming out the door - to hand you your ass! >> >> >> >> ANY "profit" and I use that term loosely - is a sick way to make out. >> >> I'm >> >> STILL trying to make sense out of your reply and I'm sorry - no can >> >> do. >> >> ANY >> >> reply such as you've made - mocking the death of someone's mother - is >> >> WAY >> >> out of bounds no matter HOW you try to color it. >> >> >> >> 1. "you still shot the deer with a howitzer and hit another hunter." >> >> WHAT >> >> THE HELL did this have to do with anything? >> >> >> >> 2. "Nobody makes enough of your stuff until you're dead." MOST people >> >> don't >> >> look to "prosper" on a loved one's death. >> >> >> >> 3. "If you're going to pull shit out of context too, that's nice." >> >> Pull >> >> shit >> >> out of context? DUDE - YOU WRITE out of context. You're delusional. >> >> >> >> 4. " Sorry if she's dead" - man that is sick. You owe that guy a >> >> sincere >> >> apology and just stop it right there. >> >> >> >> YOU DO NEED HELP. >> >> >> >> L. >> > >> > Give 'em Hell, L! >> > >> >> Under the circumstances, that is all I can do. A good foot up his ass >> would >> be my next option. Maybe even have to send him to get some "dentures". >> Damned sicko. >> >> L. > > > As tight assed as Skippy is, you'd probabbly loose your foot. > > > -- > Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to > prove it. > Member of DAV #85. > > Michael A. Terrell > Central Florida I know of an area I can drop him off for "pre-lubing" or "drilling". Hell's fire, he might like it so much - he'll decide to stay! So, I may not get to stick my foot up his ass - anyway. L. Article: 341614 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Subject: Re: Philco Grille Cloth From: k9uwaREMOVE@THISarrl.netSTUFF (John Goller, k9uwa) References: Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 21:06:25 GMT In article , moppat@comcast.NOSPAMnet says... > > >I have a Philco "Strat" in here for repair (38-690.. top of their line). It > >Goller? Hagstar? Others? > >Mark Oppat > > > OK I'll Bite ... I need enough to do a pair of these beasties... John took it off his website.... on the radio daze site it says 24 inch is the widest offered .... so how many feet do you need for a 38-690 ?... I have one to do next summer.. and wouldn't mind having a bit of the stuff around for the other Philco's that use it.. John k9uwa Article: 341615 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: Curious about the I.R.E. Standard Dummy Antenna Date: 5 Sep 2006 14:19:26 -0700 Message-ID: <1157491166.619900.121450@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <1YOdna1FqcOin2DZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@velocitywest.com> Well put, John. I have understood the purpose of the 'matching network' for years, but I have been puzzled by the source impedance expected on the generator side. I have several RF generators of various vintages in my collection and most of the older tube ones have most peculiar output attenuators that would have impedances that vary all over the place depending on the setting of the output attenuator, frequency and, to some degree, output cable length. On 'modern' generators, once you cut in 10dB or more of attenuator, the output inpedance it pretty close to the specified, but even many of them are quite a low impedance at 0 dB. Perhaps someone with spice can characterize the output impedance of the IRE network when fed from a generator of 0 ohm, 50 ohm, 75 ohm and, say, 200 ohm output impedance. Neil S. John Byrns wrote: > In article , jangus@socal.rr.com > wrote: > > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > > "H. P. Friedrichs" wrote: > > > > > >>I am interested in the origins and purpose of the "IRE (Institute of > > >>Radio Engineers) Standard Dummy Antenna," as used during the alignment > > >>of radio receivers. > > > > > > Its to match the receiver to the generator. > > > > Or more specifically, it's to present a uniform high impedance > > from the generator to the radio. At the time, with the exception > > of a few lab grade instruments, signal generator outputs were all > > over the map with regards to output impedance. The "dummy antenna" > > presented a fairly uniform, and high, impedance to the radio and > > kept from detuning the front end while doing an alignment while > > connected to a signal generator. > This doesn't sound right, why would it be desirable "to present a uniform > high impedance from the generator to the radio"? The impedance of the > "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" is not exactly what I would call "high" > especially on some of the short wave bands, exactly what is a high > impedance in this context? > > It was my understanding that the purpose of the "IRE Standard Dummy > Antenna" was to provide a standard antenna to use for making performance > measurements, as well as for alignment at the factory and on the service > bench. > > As to the exact design of the of the "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna", I > understood that it was meant to represent the impedance characteristics a > typical antenna that might be used by a radio set owner. This topic has > been discussed here before and I seem to vaguely remember that someone may > have even dug up the exact nature of the antenna the "IRE Standard Dummy > Antenna" was designed to simulate. IIRC if you are only doing MW > broadcast band alignments a single capacitor will provide a very good > approximation of the "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" across the MW broadcast > band. The coil, resistor and second capacitor are there mainly to provide > the desired impedance on the short wave bands where the prototype antenna > has resonant effects > > There are at least two problems that the "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" > solves, the first being standardized measurements for obtaining > performance specifications, as it is possible for a manufacturer to > "improve" his products specifications by using his own specially designed > "Dummy Antenna". The second problem is how to align sets in the factory, > or on the service bench, when the final users actual antenna system is not > available. The problem is that the alignment of the antenna stage of a > radio is greatly affected by the impedance of the actual antenna that is > used with the radio. The "IRE Standard Dummy Antenna" provides an > approximation of what was assumed to be a typical consumer antenna. Of > course what you really want to do is align the set with the actual antenna > attached that it is used with. > > > Regards, > > John Byrns > > > Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 341616 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:24:42 +0100 From: Highland Ham Subject: Re: Curious about the I.R.E. Standard Dummy Antenna References: <1YOdna1FqcOin2DZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@velocitywest.com> <44FD06B4.20425CB6@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <87udnXALxte9dmDZnZ2dnUVZ8tSdnZ2d@pipex.net> It's really fun because those slugs are > WAA-AAY up in there, and difficult to reach. You can't do it with a > non-ferocious screwdriver, or even a ferocious one -- it's too tight. You > have to reach the shaft with needle-nose. In any case, all this fun aside, > I can tinker and bring it into line -- but I still wonder why I have to do > it in the first place. ================================== I always use tame screwdrivers which don't need to be caged. Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH Article: 341617 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "nesesu" Subject: Re: CORRECTION- What Does the12th Tube Do? Date: 5 Sep 2006 14:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1157491753.868824.185060@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <12ff739kcrho84c@corp.supernews.com> Interesting. I have never heard of the "gas diode". Ya learn sumptin' new every day!! FWIW, every gassy RF tube I have come across in a radio has been a 6SA7 [or 12SA7], so perhaps Zenith was onto something. Neil S. John Byrns wrote: > In article <44f8d54e$0$19636$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, "Paul > Dietenberger" wrote: > > > "nesesu" wrote in message > > news:1157157740.091132.86600@74g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > Some investigation showed that the AGC line was several volts positive, > > > driving the IF tube to saturation. It turned out the 6E5 grid was > > > acting as a diode and holding the AGC line just a bit positive and > > > allowing the IF to run 'wide open'. The fault turned out to be a gassy > > > 6SA7 putting out a large positive voltage from it's grid onto the AGC. > > > There is a slight possibility that was the intended reason for a diode > > > there, but I cannot see why they would bother. > > > > No, that probably is the reason. There are sets out there which have an > > extra tube known as a "gas gate" whose sole purpose in life is to keep the > > AGC line from going positive due to a gassy tube. > > Actually it seems unlikely that the reason for the incorporation of this > diode in the design of a radio set was to shunt the grid current resulting > from a gassy tube to ground. If that were the true reason, and it was a > useful feature, why didn't most AA5 radios incorporate the so called "gas > diode"? Most AA5 radios, excepting the minority that use the second diode > as an AGC rectifier, have an extra unused diode that could be connected as > a "gas diode" at no extra cost, yet it wasn't done, why? > > Additionally if the "gas diode" were a truly useful circuit feature you > would expect all high end radios, where cost is no object, to include > them. Yet many, if not most, high end radios don't include "gas diodes". > For example in the RCA HF-8 there is nary a "gas diode" to be seen. A > somewhat ambiguous example is the Zenith Stratosphere, widely considered > to be the ultimate high end radio, where there are 4 tubes controlled by > the AGC circuit, yet a "gas diode" is used only on the AGC line feeding > the mixer tube, leaving the other 3 tubes unprotected. Why is this, is > the particular mixer tube used in the Stratosphere unusually subject to > gas problems? Or is it simply that like the humble AA5, the Zenith > Stratosphere had an extra leftover diode, which Zenith semi-randomly > connected to the mixer grid because they didn't like the idea of leaving a > tube section so obviously wasted? > > "Gas diodes" seem to appear mainly in middle of the road radios, which > leads me to suspect that their true purpose is simply to inflate the tube > count. > > > Regards, > > John Byrns > > > Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/ Article: 341618 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anti-Dinius" Subject: Re: Back from vacation Date: 5 Sep 2006 14:56:41 -0700 Message-ID: <1157493401.684971.60760@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <44FB9C9F.6A66B7B9@earthlink.net> Steven wrote: > Yep. I've got 100 other things to do to pay bills and grandma won't > live forever. I still haven't even gotten the soldering pencil to come > up to tempoerature yet and I'm not going to practice fixing 15 very > loose fixtures and sockets when I am short to pay somebody today. >From the B&K 970 Thread: > I spend more time sleeping and walking every day than I do on Usenet Yeah, I'm sure you're real busy. The web of lies you make up must be tough to keep up with when you post so much. > As for credibility? You contrary right wing douchebag! Don't give me > the stringalong. What exactly does this mean? Do you just parrot stuff you read in other newsgroups? Stop filling the group with garbage and I will go away. There's no need to get angry. Article: 341619 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Richard Clark Subject: Re: Curious about the I.R.E. Standard Dummy Antenna Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:57:02 -0700 Message-ID: <5asrf2p3a4kkc4n80hi7os7h6ru90dqe65@4ax.com> References: <1YOdna1FqcOin2DZnZ2dnUVZ_tCdnZ2d@velocitywest.com> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:51:10 -0700, "H. P. Friedrichs" wrote: >I gather that this circuit models a wire antenna of some type. Is this >true? "The Institute of Radio Engineers has defined the INPUT SENSITIVITY OF A RECEIVER as the number of microvolts required to produce standard output when applied through a dummy antenna having the characteristic impedance of the antenna with which the receiver is intended to operate, to the input terminals of the receiver." Boonton, 1954 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Article: 341620 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Anti-Dinius" Subject: Re: Speakers Date: 5 Sep 2006 15:05:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1157493945.359926.36950@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> References: <27756-44FDBDCE-507@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net> Steven wrote: > I don't know. I never learned to play guitar. So you should have no comment on this thread but you did anyway. Stop filling the group full of garbage. Article: 341621 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Date: 5 Sep 2006 15:10:47 -0700 Message-ID: <1157494247.185063.176320@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> God is that the truth or what? :) GB Ron in Radio Heaven wrote: > RadioGary wrote in message > news:1157420104.351517.225140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Sorry this isn't a tayman dissertation > > > That usually starts off with, "I don't know anything about this, but...." > > Ron Article: 341622 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Brenda Ann" Subject: Re: When It Rains.... Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 07:22:04 +0900 Message-ID: References: <1157410376.636560.64480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <0vkLg.15358$Qf.3568@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> -- Say no to institutionalized interference. Just say NO to HD/IBOC! "robert casey" wrote in message news:0vkLg.15358$Qf.3568@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> I'm also surprised at the number of DJ copies that somehow get mixed >> in -- certainly not complaining! >> > > If those DJ copies are of songs you never heard of, those are probably the > songs that "stiffed" or bombed. I used to be a member of my college's > campus radio station (carrier current AM that had maybe 2 listeners) and > we'd get tons of new releases. About 98% of those new releases bombed > (failed to chart above #41). 1% became hits, and the last 1% charted > above #40 and #15. So after a while we'd end up with a big pile of trash > records. And the station was located in a building just above a wooded > cliff, and we'd feel like playing one way frisbee.... Other radio > stations sometimes would give the stiffs away at DJ appearances at > shopping malls and such. Or just line the dumpster with them. I remember when I was about 10, I would get up in the middle of the night to play the 'name that tune' contests on KCPX in Salt Lake. (I was not supposed to touch the phone, but what my folks didn't know wouldn't hurt me). It was pretty easy to win, since I've always been good with music, and was probably one of very few listeners awake at 2AM in Salt Lake City in 1965.. the 'prizes' from these contests were invariable 5-packs of singles that had never seen air play. -- Say no to institutionalized interference. Just say NO to HD/IBOC! Article: 341623 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: " Ron in Radio Heaven" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1157420104.351517.225140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1157494247.185063.176320@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 22:48:03 GMT RadioGary wrote in message news:1157494247.185063.176320@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > God is that the truth or what? :) > > I'm glad someone else sees it besides me. Ron Article: 341624 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "AuroraOldRadios" Subject: Re: Abridged pages in Riders??? Date: 5 Sep 2006 15:59:18 -0700 Message-ID: <1157497157.970390.160000@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> References: jim menning wrote: > "Blacksmith" wrote in message > news:aklrf29dh90spe1muoj469pf98ugnqehgl@4ax.com... > > Where are the abridged pages? Looking up a Brunswick console model #11 > > or 12. Riders lists pages, then under a column titled "Abridged" it > > lists pages 2 and 3. > > > > Where are the "abridged" pages located? > > > > Blacksmith > > Scanned radio magazine sets and more. > > wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom > > There were 23 separately numbered volumes, and an abridged combined version of #'s > 1-5. > > jim menning My abridged 1-5 volume has Brunswick model 11, 12, 16 on Brunswick pages 3 and 4. Article: 341625 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: goodguyy@webtv.net (Ken G.) Subject: Where is Bill Meacham Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 16:54:04 -0600 Message-ID: <11186-44FE000C-20@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> I got a suprise package in the mail from him . Found the mail slip in the box the night i left for vacation to late to go get it . Got it today . Thanks Bill !! my emails wont get to you so i thank you here if your reading. Article: 341626 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Paul Dietenberger" References: <11186-44FE000C-20@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Where is Bill Meacham Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 18:19:30 -0500 Message-ID: <44fdf90c$0$19725$88260bb3@free.teranews.com> You'll have to find him on the Forum. He quit this group months ago after a particularly spectacular flameout. -p. "Ken G." wrote in message news:11186-44FE000C-20@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net... >I got a suprise package in the mail from him . Found the mail slip in > the box the night i left for vacation to late to go get it . Got it > today . > Thanks Bill !! my emails wont get to you so i thank you here if your > reading. > > -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Article: 341627 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1157410376.636560.64480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <0vkLg.15358$Qf.3568@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: When It Rains.... Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:56:00 GMT Actually I've done fairly well with the DJ copies -- although what I'd really like, doo-wops, aren't to be found. But I've got a fair number of promos from the 70's and early 80's. Songs like "Le Freak" by Chic, and "Dirty Laundry" by Don Henley as examples. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com "robert casey" wrote in message news:0vkLg.15358$Qf.3568@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net... >> I'm also surprised at the number of DJ copies that somehow get mixed >> in -- certainly not complaining! >> > > If those DJ copies are of songs you never heard of, those are probably the > songs that "stiffed" or bombed. I used to be a member of my college's > campus radio station (carrier current AM that had maybe 2 listeners) and > we'd get tons of new releases. About 98% of those new releases bombed > (failed to chart above #41). 1% became hits, and the last 1% charted > above #40 and #15. So after a while we'd end up with a big pile of trash > records. And the station was located in a building just above a wooded > cliff, and we'd feel like playing one way frisbee.... Other radio > stations sometimes would give the stiffs away at DJ appearances at > shopping malls and such. Or just line the dumpster with them. Article: 341628 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "gerryu21220@gmail.com" Subject: Re: Zenith Console Stereo SF2580 Date: 5 Sep 2006 16:59:25 -0700 Message-ID: <1157500765.668454.154070@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> References: <1156878453.457191.10130@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Bill, Would it be possible to yank one of these IF transformers from another working tuner? Or - alternatively - is there no modern eqivalent that could be used? I'm just curious to know if this is going to become very expensive and/or difficult to repair - BEFORE I sink any more $$$ into it by buying freeze spray, etc., only to find it's beyond anything that I can do myself. In the meantime, I could simply connect a modern tuner to the tape inputs. I'm mainly concerned with the amplifier, which sounds great, and getting the turntable fully functional again. Then comes the big project: refinishing the maple cabinet. One of the former owners must have used the top as a plant stand. Lots of white rings, water stains, and black rings too, probably a planter that rusted. I'm wondering if a new piece of maple veneer right over the top might be the way to go rather than try to get all the stains and marks out... There's very little finish left on the top, so the stains go right into the wood, which I believe is a only a veneer over a hardwood core anyway. It's raised slightly above the routed edge, so I don't think another fraction of an inch would be noticeable. Gerry Article: 341629 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Blacksmith Subject: Before I start this renovation project... Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:04:24 -0400 Message-ID: <7q3sf2taab5g32fi1tjjm5o5keijqrm44s@4ax.com> Anyone have any experience, or advice? I'm about to dive into fixing a Brunswick 11 or 12. I haven't determined yet which it is, the sticker lists both as the model number. It has a single control under the dial consisting of an outer knob and an inner knob, both of which can be turned and pulled out for added functions. I've never seen a chassis quite like this one. Built like a tank. I'm wondering if anyone knows of something on these that makes it difficult or impossible to fix, like a gear that is always worn out, or something like that. Otherwise I think I'll give it a go. I put a couple of pictures on my web site under "Articles". Blacksmith Scanned radio magazine sets and more. wwwdotrenovatedradiosdotcom Article: 341630 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Gary Tayman" References: <1157167437.213275.15810@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <1157420104.351517.225140@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1157494247.185063.176320@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: What's the MOST desirable radio Message-ID: Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:05:03 GMT 'I may not have the schematic to your exact model sitting in front of me, but I would suggest that certain component or solder connection over there could be the culprit.' Several times I've been right. If you don't want my help, just say so. Then the percentage of flaming threads vs. worthwhile messages will be even worse than it is now. -- Gary E. Tayman/Tayman Electrical Sound Solutions For Classic Cars http://www.taymanelectrical.com " Ron in Radio Heaven" wrote in message news:D8nLg.11848$lk6.11273@tornado.southeast.rr.com... > > RadioGary wrote in message > news:1157494247.185063.176320@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... >> God is that the truth or what? :) >> >> > > I'm glad someone else sees it besides me. > > Ron > > > Article: 341631 of rec.antiques.radio+phono Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:11:53 -0400 From: Stewart Schooley Subject: Re: When It Rains.... References: <1157410376.636560.64480@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Peter Wieck wrote: > We were at our summer house for the holiday weekend. Imagine my > surprise when I looked out the front door and found... without > provenance, no note, no nothing, no phone call: > > Marantz 2020 (Pacific Rim) AM/FM Tuner > Marantz 1030B ( " " ) Integrated Amp > AR TO4 ( " ") AM/FM Tuner W/Remote!! > Revox (!!) B760 Tuner > Kenwood Tube FM-Only Receiver, uses 6BQ5 PP Drivers, no number or > nameplate. > Eico Signal Tracer > > Now, they have some issues. The Marantz tuner has its AM Antenna joint > broken. > The Revox is missing its front legs, and has been dropped on one > corner. > The Kenwood is throughout dryer-lint, or similar. > The signal tracer looks like it was stored in a garage. > The AR & The Marantz integrated amp have no visible flaws. > > Untested as of yet. I will start with the Kenwood. > > Didn't even have to dumpster dive. > > ADDENDUM: For cost of shipping: Eico Signal Tracer. No probe, > untested. Others may follow. > > Peter Wieck > Wyncote, PA > Peter, Getting electronic equipment that way is the very best way. You have no commitment to the donor regarding what you will do with it. In my experience when I have received a radio gift, I meet the donor weeks, months, or even a year or more later and the first thing they ask is how the restoration turned out. When I explain that I haven't had the time to do it, they can't hide their disappointment. Worse yet is when I tell them I sent the radio to someone else and they ask what I got for it. They are thinking ebay no doubt. I tell them the truth, I sent it for the cost of shipping. Their eyes tell me they don't know whether to believe me or not. Now I tell them up front that I don't have room for it, no time to work on it, I've given up chassis work, and I'll only take it if it provides a good example of photofinish to duplicate, or if they don't mind if I give it to someone else. Stewart Article: 341632 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: amyotte@personainternet.com Subject: Question about the resistor on a Eico homemade probe, Date: 5 Sep 2006 17:18:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1157501925.026667.93270@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Per the online manual for the EICO model 145 signal tracer on Nostalgia Air http://www.nostalgiaair.org/References/Manuals/ I have the 1N34A diode and it requires a 50K resistor. What wattage value should I be looking at? Thanks Brian Article: 341633 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: prblinkgurl@hotmail.com Subject: Zenith High Fidelity Record Player. How does it work?! Date: 5 Sep 2006 17:47:04 -0700 Message-ID: <1157503624.121010.110680@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Today, I purchased a Zenith High Fidelity Record Player. I have some of the Operating Guide, and it states that it is a Model 169-195 . To the best of my knowledge this is from the early 1960's. I was really excited to get this, and hopeful that it would work. But I don't think that it does. It could just be me, because I have never owned a record player. My mother still has one, so I have used one a long time ago, but I don't know what to do! My mom told me that if I pull the arm over the record, the turntable should start to spin. It spun for a second, and I got to listen to about 2 seconds of my favorite (The Big Chill soundtrack) . It then stopped turning. With this record player, I also got a whole lot of extra parts, so I am hoping that if it is just a part that is bad, someone could give me a hint as to where to start. I would really appreciate it! I am not concerned with the value of this record player, but it is truly beautiful and would like it to work, so I can listen to The Big Chill. :) Thanks for your time and help! Article: 341634 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "Keith Park" References: <1157214681.644175.198630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: top of the line Canadian DeForest Crosley console (not mine) Message-ID: <1bpLg.36350$uH6.4358@twister.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:07:09 GMT Now THIS is my kind of Radio!!!! Keith "Mark Oppat" wrote in message news:g-edndYoELINL2DZnZ2dnUVZ_s6dnZ2d@comcast.com... > CRAP! missed that! just saw your post today. It was right in my area, > about 50 mins away. > Klaus of Alberta, CA got it. He has lots of high end Canadian consoles. > > Mark Oppat > > wrote in message > news:1157214681.644175.198630@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> FYI, on eBay (not mine!) >> >> Top of the line DeForest Crosley console (I think), >> model 'Buckingham', 11-tube. Year is 1935/36. >> Separate chassis for power supply. >> >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120025798195&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 >> >> Has RF front-end tube, variable IF, push-pull 6F6 outputs, >> tuning indicator lamp and good sounding 12'' speaker... >> Diagram is available in 'Resources' of www.nostalgiaair.org >> >> I already have one such project... Heck, I would even buy this >> 2nd one if I were closer, as my chassis was butchered >> by one of the prior owner... >> >> Good luck, >> Cheers, >> - Sylvain in Ottawa, Canada. >> >> > > > Article: 341635 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: Superhet Subject: Re: Question about the resistor on a Eico homemade probe, References: <1157501925.026667.93270@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2006 01:11:46 GMT 1/4 watt would be ok amyotte@personainternet.com wrote: > Per the online manual for the EICO model 145 signal tracer on Nostalgia > Air http://www.nostalgiaair.org/References/Manuals/ I have the 1N34A > diode and it requires a 50K resistor. > > What wattage value should I be looking at? > > Thanks > Brian > Article: 341636 of rec.antiques.radio+phono From: "RadioGary" Subject: Re: Zenith High Fidelity Record Player. How does it work?! Date: 5 Sep 2006 18:23:13 -0700 Message-ID: <1157505793.496242.131370@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> References: <1157503624.121010.110680@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> Hi, I'm sure those who are more experienced than I will tell you that the turntable and it's mechanisms will have to be cleaned first. This is most likely what's causing weak performance of the turntable (not turning). You may also want to rea