From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 08:53:54 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-90.1 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,AWL, SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A5C049086 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SDbKm7012089 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:44:18 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0405E" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 37851 Lines: 850 ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 03:18:35 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Subject: Re: Tomato pollination Comments: To: Harold Eddleman In-Reply-To: <001901c4442f$b5056d80$d80e18d8@nikki.pay-less.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Date sent: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:15:10 -0400 From: Harold Eddleman Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Tomato pollination To: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Send reply to: Harold Eddleman > Tomatoes are mostly self-pollinated, but need the wind or something > shaking the vines to get the pollen from the anthers to the the > pistil. Ahem. This is oxymoronic (although you aren't alone in this error, Harold). You say tomatoes self pollinate, then you say they need help to pollinate. Tomatoes self pollenize. They may do a little self pollination, but not enough to make a real crop, as is seen when they are grown in a greenhouse without pollinators. Time to put the myth of "self pollination" of tomatoes to a final rest... http://www.pollinator.com/tomato.htm Dave in SC USA :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 00:32:19 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gary Wheaton Subject: New equipment Something for all to try, While working hives in the apariy and being in the middle of a hot hive, all of a suden THIRST, I've started using a 'camel pack' similar to what the military is using. Looks like a back- pack, mine holds 2-liters of fluid and fits under my coveralls, they have a 'on demand' vaulve it comes out in front and can be coiled in your veil w/no problem and can be bought at most sporting stores, I got mine at BIG 5 SPORTS and paid around $20.00, I think that all bee keepers w/more than 2- hives should invest in one as they seem to be a lifesaver where dehydration is a problem. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 10:31:35 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Donald Aitken Subject: Re: New equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My nephew Bill Sherman helps me with bees. He has a fairly direct approach to problems like drinking enough water to stay hydrated on hot summer days - he drinks from a bottle right through the veil. Works like a charm Best regards Donald Aitken ... Something for all to try, While working hives in the apariy and being in the middle of a hot hive, all of a suden THIRST... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.692 / Virus Database: 453 - Release Date: 28/05/2004 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 17:13:19 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gavin Ramsay Subject: Re: Tomato pollination MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dave and All > Time to put the myth of "self pollination" of tomatoes to a final rest... Absolutely not. Tomatoes are, in my book, definitely a self-pollinated crop. They need to be assisted in that self-pollination, by mechanical vibration (wind or human-induced) or by visits from insects. But they are essentially a self-pollinated crop because most of the time it is self-pollen which fertilises the ovules (that's fertilise with an 's' ). Large parts of the world are comfortable with the verb 'to pollinate' applying to the provision of the pollen (as in, apple variety A was planted to pollinate apple variety B). They might have to recruit an insect to help, but they do pollinate. To those of us used to using 'pollinate' and 'pollinator' in that way, 'pollenize' sounds very artificial and contrived. Perhaps this is just another example of our languages diverging, but one thing is clear: Harold's use of the word would be recognised as valid by scientists internationally, and gardeners and others in large parts of the world. Does anyone know when and who started using the word 'pollenize'? yours, across the pond, Gavin. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 13:54:01 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gary Wheaton Subject: Re: New equipment Comments: To: Donald Aitken BUT what is nice about the 'camelpack' is that you don't have to stop to drink and get your veil wet, just bit down on the on demand vaulve and suck and keep working. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 18:00:42 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Vaughan Subject: Lavender There doesn't seem to be much on the web about lavender honey production per hectare. I moved 3 singles down to a 5 acre lavender farm today with outstanding plants and irrigation. I'm more interested in maxium honey produciton than anything else. Does anyone have any experience? Thanks much. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 20:51:10 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Rob Green Subject: ISBA Journal, June 2004 (free download) In-Reply-To: <200405290405.i4T40068025406@listserv.albany.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The June 2004 edition of ISBA Journal, published by the Indiana State Beekeepers Association is available as a free download from www.HoosierBuzz.com The specific file is http://www.hoosierbuzz.com/document/i0406.pdf :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 21:38:30 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bob Harrison Subject: Re: Imidacloprid update MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello All, The June issue of Bee Culture is arriving around the world in mail boxes. On page 17 Mark Winston pens in my opinion an excellent article about the current issue on Imidaclopid named "Due To Legal Considerations" . I myself had done a rough draft of a similar article but simply put Mark has done a better job and mine is going in "file `13". Point is both Mark and I are on the outside looking in but both of us have been closely following the story. I suggest all beekeepers read Marks article over several times . I can assure readers Mark has put a great amount of thought into the article and has chosen words carefully. Having read much of the same material as Mark it is my opinion (as is Marks) that we still need to keep looking for the root of the problem. The evidence I have looked at does not *in my opinion* show imidcloprid as the whole problem. Both Mark and myself wait with an open mind the "smoking gun" which must be the basis for the lawsuit. Perhaps imidacloprid will be found to be the root of the problem *but* what are we looking at if not is the question both Mark & I simply ask? Even my friend Jerry Bromenshenk (Bee-L & close to Bayer lawsuit) as been very quiet about the "smoking gun" which the beekeeper side of the lawsuit claims to possess. I will admit I am closer to the commercial beekeepers involved than the Bayer side. I have tried on several occasions to glean information from Jerry B. but to no avail except for Jerry to say he thinks the beekeepers (U.S.) have got a strong and provable case. I like many beekeepers will be standing by watching things unfold . Bob :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 23:30:34 -0400 Reply-To: Kate Henderson Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Kate Henderson Subject: Moving hives I need to move two of my hives ASAP from a neighbors place to my farm. The problem is that we are only half mile apart. I do not have access to a location farther away. I understand that I risk the field bees returning to the original spot. Any advice? Could I put an empty deep super with drawn combs there to collect the returning bees?How long should I leave it? And than if I do get some, whats the best way to reunite them? *** Kate Henderson Sheepy Valley Farm :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 07:18:47 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Vaughan Subject: Re: Moving hives A half mile should be just fine; I would just move them without worrying. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 09:30:21 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Frank Wyatt Subject: Drone Behavior?/pollen shortage Loss of drones (kicked out) can happen at any time of the year. Shortages or poor quality pollen can trigger the workers to evict drones from the hive. Eviction of drones usually happens when the hive has had a shortage for approx. two weeks. Per Steve Taber (Breeding Super Bees) paraphrased "pollen shortages can happen in a portion of a hive, or some colonies in the same apiary, even when the rest of the hives have enough pollen". "1st level of pollen shortages would be the loss of drone larva (eaten)48hrs 2nd level would be loss of drone eggs-appox.7 days 3rd level would be no drones after approx.2 wks." I loosely followed Steves experiment of trying to keep healthy drones in 5 hives last winter. I was able to keep drones in 3 of these hives on into Feb. At this time I ran out of pure pollen to feed the hives and started feeding them substitute. Even though the hives continued to rear broad I was not able to keep the level of drones that I was using the pure pollen. Interesting that the older books suggest drone comb removal and entrance trapping and now we all look to our drones for condition of hive health and good gene inheritance. Frank Wyatt Eden, NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 07:39:02 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Re: Moving hives MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I need to move two of my hives ASAP from a neighbors place to my > farm. The problem is that we are only half mile apart. This is a perrenial question here on BEE-L and, as such, has been discussed in detail. The archives contain insights by by both those who know and move truckloads of bee daily, and also by those with less experience and userstanding and who therefore depend on the 'two mile' rule. The real answer is 'depends', and the determining factors are many: season, colony size, condition, weather, flow conditions, terrain, flight activity, etc. etc. Check out the archives, using a search, and you'll find that, assuming you do not move them in peak season on a strong flow, that you can likely move without many returning. Even if some are seen coming back, the returning bees *may* just be checking out the old location, and not stay unless you put a hive or other attraction there. The archives also contain suggestions for confining the bees for three days, etc. ...and caveats. Good luck. Hope this helps. allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 10:19:33 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: al boehm Subject: Robbing-harvest MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello bee-listers I have a problem that has never arisen before to me. This week I was harvesting the early spring crop of honey here in North Carolina and one of my hives with 5 supers refused to leave the supers, the rest (20) went like a texbook example. I have always used bee go, well almost always bet the blower mess we wont talk about. I gave them ample time to go down and even tried a small amount extra of solution but they stayed in the supers and even got little defensive. Never happened to me before, could there be a supersedure taking place at this time or is there another explanation? Looks like I will have to take the supers off and move them across the field early in the am and let them return to there hive location during the day. Is there a better way? Thanks in advance to the beekeepers greatest resourse, Al Boehm Columbus NC :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 10:12:54 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Charles Harper Subject: Re: Robbing-harvest In-Reply-To: <20040530.101935.-356135.0.beckwards@juno.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Check for brood in the supers, bees are very reluctant to leave when brood is present. Harper's Honey Farm Charlie labeeman@russianbreeder.com Ph# 337 896 5247 > > :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 10:35:00 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: JOEL N SWINK Subject: checkmite MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, I just recently subscribed to this list and this is my first query. =20 I am interested in the checkmite controversy and I would like to be sure = of things. Our local supplier switched us over to checkmite a couple years ago and = has since switched back to apistan. I read on this list that there has = been evidence of long term contamination of the brood comb of the active = ingredients in checkmite. =20 I did lose 2 hives out of 10 over the winter but I find that loss to be = the usual mortality rate. Those 2 hives I had inherited from a friend = and were probably not strong enough going into winter which was fairly = brutal this year here. =20 Since there was over 10 gallons of honey left by those two colonies I = extracted it from their vacated brood chambers. My question is that = since there had been checkmite strips in those chambers in the fall is = it now unsafe to consume the honey? Joel N. Swink 60262 East Alt Road Sandy OR 97055 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:58:24 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Phil Moore Subject: Poor mating of Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Has anyone had the same problems of poor mating of queen?=20 Last year I was getting only about 20% success from hatched virgins to = mated queens. I started cells when the first drones were seen (1st week = of may).=20 The weather has been good here in Shropshire UK but still out of 24 = virgins so far only one mated queen, some are building cells on test = comb so presumably are queenless. Any ideas? Regards Phil Moore :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:08:05 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Katie Wharton Subject: drone frames Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello, I am a new subscriber/beekeeper and have enjoyed reading the posts in this group. I have recently started working on a project with honeybees, and for this project I need many (around 30-40) frames of drawn-out drone comb. I've given frames with drone foundation to a few hives, and they've begun to build, but I don't think that I'll be able to gather as many frames as I want anytime soon. So I'm wondering if anyone has a bunch of drone frames lying around that they won't want anymore, or if anyone has ideas or suggestions on where I could get these. I would, of course, be willing to pay, and I would greatly appreciate your help. If you can help, please email me at wharton2@msu.edu. I live in Michigan and am enjoying my gradual and definitely fun entry into the world of bees. :) Have a happy Memorial Day! Sincerely, Katie Wharton :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:35:26 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: Poor mating of Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Phil > out of 24 virgins so far only one mated queen How are the cells being introduced to the nucs? Best Regards & 73s, Dave Cushman... G8MZY Beekeeping & Bee Breeding Website Email: cyberbeek@tiscali.co.uk or dave@dave-cushman.net http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman & http://www.dave-cushman.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 16:59:09 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Phil Moore Subject: Re: Poor mating of Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Hi Phil > > > out of 24 virgins so far only one mated queen > > How are the cells being introduced to the nucs? > One in each colony and all checked for a hatched cell, in some but not all have seen the virgin. Regards Phil Moore :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:43:33 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Cushman Subject: Re: Poor mating of Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Phil > > How are the cells being introduced to the nucs? > > > One in each colony and all checked for a hatched cell, in some but not all > have seen the virgin. Working backwards, then how were the cells transported and handled and what method was used to produce them? Best Regards & 73s, Dave Cushman... G8MZY Beekeeping & Bee Breeding Website Email: cyberbeek@tiscali.co.uk or dave@dave-cushman.net http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman & http://www.dave-cushman.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 11:14:02 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: allen dick Subject: Re: Poor mating of Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > One in each colony and all checked for a hatched cell, in some but > not all have seen the virgin. Wondering how long since the cells were inserted? In small nucs, vergins are easy to spot, but in larger units, they can be very hard to find, especially if they have gone on a flight. We (almost) always wait 11 days to check for laying, but do occasional spot checks for emergence (look at the queen cell) at times of day when queens won't be flying. We usually wait 21 before caging them, and assume that any that are not laying well by then are duds. By 21 days, pattern and anomalies are apparent, and the new brood keeps the nuc going. Queen checks for new virgins can cause problems, unless carefully considered as to necessity and timing. Especially in mid-afternoon when the queens are flying, a beekeeper and/or truck and gear in front of or near hives can cause drifting and/or loss of returning queens. I recall seeing seeing numerous little balls of bees, each with a queen in the middle, in the grass near hives when an employee carelessly parked in the mating yard in mid-afternoon on a bright, sunny day. allen :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 19:30:45 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Phil Moore Subject: Re: Poor mating of Queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Working backwards, then how were the cells transported and handled and what > method was used to produce them? I made a split which produces queen cells and reduce to the best cell, therefore no transportation of cells or shaking of frame, the splits are made with four frames of brood minimum having overwintered on two boxes..Lang. Regards Phil Moore :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:27:41 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Kathy E Cox Subject: Re: New equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 5/29/2004 7:19:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, wildrose6@EARTHLINK.NET writes: I've started using a 'camel pack' similar to what the military is using. Looks like a back- pack, mine holds 2-liters of fluid and fits under my coveralls, they have a 'on demand' vaulve it comes out in front and can be coiled in your veil w/no problem and can be bought at most sporting stores, I just suck the water in a bottle through the veil...it's free! Kathy Cox, Bloomfield Bees and Bouquets Northern California, Italian, 50 hives www.kathycox.frankcox.net :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:07:07 +0300 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Roger White Subject: poor mating of queens MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-7" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Phil, Which treatments for Varroa have you used in the past two years. Any = coumaphos? (parizin, checkmite+, asundol etc.) Best regards Roger White Superbee Cyprus. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 15:32:08 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Gary Wheaton Subject: Re: New equipment Comments: To: Kathy E Cox But Cathy while just drinking thru the veil may be free you still have to stop, not to mention dribbling water down the front, with the 'camelpack' you just keep on 'truckin' and never break stride. I'm just trying to give people an option to not having to stop. I know when I start on my apairy that I don't like to have to stop 'cause I tend to loose my train of thought and, at times, forget what I intended to do. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:09:27 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Paul Collett Subject: Re: New equipment MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " I know when I start on my apiary > that I don't like to have to stop 'cause I tend to loose my train of > thought and, at times, forget what I intended to do." It is terribly sad, and I wonder if it has been documented, that beekeepers seem to suffer from short-term memory loss. I know this has been the case with me also. Neurotoxins. It is a pity that we cannot forget about the silly quibble about how to drink water. You can take a camel to water, but cannot make it drink. Have a beer, drink it as you please and, if you mess it down your front, so what! :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 14:43:56 -0600 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "Medhat Nasr, Ph. D." Subject: Re: Imidacloprid ban in France MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Press release=20 following the decision of the French Minister of Agriculture=20 of May 25, 2004 concerning the Gaucho dossier Lyon, May 25, 2004 France's Minister of Agriculture, Herv=E9 Gaymard, decided today to suspend= =20 the marketing authorization for Gaucho=AE for corn for "until the=20 re-evaluation of the active ingredient imidacloprid by the European=20 Commission expected in 2006." The Minister of Agriculture based his decision: =A8 On a new opinion rendered by the Gaucho=AE corn Toxicity Study Co= mmission,=20 to which he had referred the matter last February 23, and=20 =A8 On the adversarial proceeding during which Bayer CropScience Fran= ce and=20 the principal users of Gaucho=AE presented their observations. Bayer CropScience France is astonished: - that following a final positive examination at the beginning of 200= 3, a=20 contrary opinion and decision have been rendered, even though the only new = scientific evidence (Study by the French agency for food sanitary safety,=20 AFSSA) shows the absence of any link between Gaucho=AE and the bee problems - that this decision was also made without taking into account the fi= nal=20 results of the on-going multi-factor study and the establishment of the=20 regional observation areas requested by the ministry of Agriculture. Furthermore, Bayer CropScience France wishes to stress that the European=20 re-evaluation procedure for the active ingredient imidacloprid is=20 progressing, and that the company has great confidence in the success of=20 this procedure. Bayer CropScience France recalls that Gaucho=AE for sunflowers and corn is = only being suspended in France and that this suspension is not being=20 imposed in the other European countries. Bayer CropScience France is considering appropriate legal measures against = the decision after having fully analyzed the reasoning given by the=20 Minister. Frank Garnier, Executive Officer of Bayer CropScience France, will held a=20 press conference on Thursday, May 27th, 2004 at 10.30 AM at Bayer's=20 headquarters ? 49-51, quai de Dion Bouton in Puteaux (France). Press contacts: Bayer CropSciencePublicis Consultants Fran=E7ois Thiboust ? Tel.: +33 (0)4 72 85 42 74 francois.thiboust@bayercropscience.comIsabelle Rivi=E8re ? Tel.: +33 (0)1 4= 4 43 79 48 St=E9phanie Pr=E9vost ? Tel.: +33 (0)1 44 43 75 24 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 19:12:15 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Dillon Subject: Re: Imidacloprid update In-Reply-To: <000d01c445ef$32d90440$41bc59d8@BusyBeeAcres> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading Bob Harrison's comments regarding the Imidaclopride saga. I do not wish to go into any detail here - previous mails sum up my position, but will comment in the following manner. I have seen "healthy" colonies that were placed onto a sunflower crop treated with the forenamed material "disappear" - the same colonies just previously harvesting totally satisfactory Sweet Chestnut honey in unpolluted forest areas covering several thousand hectares. Colonies remaining in the Chestnut areas to collect Honeydew remained in a normal condition - those transported down to the Sunflowers were ruined. I suppose that it could be the transportation procedure that was the root problem! Also, having spent time and money on this situation over several years now - no other hypothesis has been forward that covers an adequate explanation - except the common factor is the presence of the molecule Imidaclopride. Agreeing with Bob - it would be wonderful to remove this problem once and for ever. When the large proportion of farmers are using a toxic material, the choice of moving colonies to another farm away from its influence are not present. Regards, Peter :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/BEE-L for rules, FAQ and other info --- ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::