From MAILER-DAEMON Sat Feb 28 10:27:24 2009 Return-Path: <> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on industrial X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-83.9 required=2.4 tests=ADVANCE_FEE_1,ADVANCE_FEE_2, AWL,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,SPF_HELO_PASS,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.1.8 X-Original-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Delivered-To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Received: from listserv.albany.edu (unknown [169.226.1.24]) by metalab.unc.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0144907C for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from listserv.albany.edu (listserv.albany.edu [169.226.1.24]) by listserv.albany.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n1SEr0C3013917 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:52 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:24:50 -0500 From: "University at Albany LISTSERV Server (14.5)" Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG0608E" To: adamf@IBIBLIO.ORG Message-ID: Content-Length: 60166 Lines: 1518 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:57:25 +0100 Reply-To: honeymountain@kilty.demon.co.uk Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: james kilty Organization: honey mountain Subject: Towards varroa tolerance In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060828105236.04c200d8@mail.watchtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all you kind folk I'd be grateful for comments on the observations and opinions expressed at the web page below (plus any other friendly comment on other pages if you so wish). I am familiar with some of the work which we hear about on this List, though I have not seen too many pictures or numbers. I know about Dennis Murrell's pages (and a nice picture of dismembered pupae with mites) and would be grateful if any of you could point me towards other work with/towards varroa tolerant bees which give the methods of selection and the progress of the project, particularly if they start with the local bee in the area (as distinct from importing a varroa tolerant bee and then trying to breed in the characters as in the Elgon strain). I will be happy to add your URL's to my pages as I build them up. Many thanks James Kilty http://www.kilty.demon.co.uk/beekeeping/improvement.htm#chars -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:01:39 +0100 Reply-To: honeymountain@kilty.demon.co.uk Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: james kilty Organization: honey mountain Subject: Re: Small scale Queen rearing In-Reply-To: <002101c6cae8$cf9b6950$179c453d@new1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 2006-08-29 at 07:27 +1000, queenbee wrote: > When the division metal is inserted, the > field bees fly back to the top part which is the queenless part. Mum is > left with all the "young kids". Sorry, you put the entrance forward as per spec - I had mine the other way the first time I used it, the wrong way, though the queens developed seemed fine. Next time I'll do it the right way. Thanks. James -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 02:24:57 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "James W. Hock" Subject: Re: Small scale Queen rearing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This may very well be the case but it might be worthwhile for you to > do some bee-lining to determine if there actually are any feral > colonies. It's really the only way to know - when can't go by the Before I got into beekeeping, I had apple trees and a garden. The apples grew deformed as did many of the vegatables. I set bait stations out to see what would show up. Nothing showed. Threre was three beekeepers with in two miles of here four years ago. All the hives died out, the last beekeeper is down to one hive. I'm picking up the slack though. :) Since then I cut down the apple trees and let the garden grow over. I need the room for more hives. Jim Hock Wethersfield, CT -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 02:38:19 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "James W. Hock" Subject: Re: Small scale Queen rearing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > If you don't have AHB, bees on chemically contaminated bees can be > very agitated and defensive... No, I'm not using chemicals. > Not necessarily. Kirk Webster successfully uses a set-up similar to > yours. Check in the recent issues of ABJ. He brought his to one of our meetings, that is where I got the idea. It's a good idea. Next year I'll try it again, only not so close to hives. And I'll figure out some form of robber screens. >>>In the North East, how late in the year would you try to mate > Queens? Last year I had drones right up to Christmas. > > I am just south of you and can get queens mated through the 1st week > in October. The bees are just sealing up the last batch of queen Good deal. I have a couple of hives I want to break up into nucs after the bamboo bloom. Jim Hock Wethersfield, CT. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:04:01 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: Small scale Queen rearing In-Reply-To: <000d01c6cad2$195c4c60$6d01a8c0@AdHock> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6E8A4BFA > >Question: In the North East, how late in the year would you try to mate >Queens? Do you have a fall flow from Goldenrod, etc? I would think you could get queens mated during that flow. > I'd like to set up and try to winter more nucs this year. I finished making my nucs on the 15th of August. Two weeks later than ever before. I wanted to see how late I could make them, and have them winter successfully. I made them a bit stronger than usual, and added an extra comb of feed. You're in Connecticut, so could go a bit longer, but I wouldn't wait much longer. Perhaps Rollie H. would be able to answer your question, as he raises queens and winters nucs in CT. Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 07:59:02 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: Small scale Queen rearing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 29/08/2006 12:49:06 GMT Standard Time, mpalmer@TOGETHER.NET writes: Question: In the North East, how late in the year would you try to mate >Queens? They generally need a temperature in the mid 60s F. Chris -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:41:32 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: Tylan -AFB In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Borst wrote: > I think it is very unwise to treat active foulbrood. It is better in > thelong run to get rid of it. My experience is that the beekeepers > that don'thave foulbrood (and there are plenty) are the ones that > practice zero tolerance. > Once you embark on the medication plan, you will always have it. I am with Peter. However, in fairness, there are experienced beekeepers on this list who successfully treat AFB without burning and have no future incidences. The archives have much on this. The problem with using antibiotics is mostly with the beekeeper. Those beekeepers who used it successfully treated the symptoms and also were strongly into a foundation replacement program, so the source of future infections was removed. The problem is with those beekeepers who use it as a preventative or treat the symptoms and continue its use. They create a repository of AFB that will come back or infect other apiaries in the area. The latter has been my observation. A fellow beekeeper used terra to keep AFB "under control" He was a pollinator and his partner's bees became infected with AFB. Neither burned their equipment and one is now out of business and the other finally burned his equipment and is still keeping bees. But it took repeated infections to finally make him understand that he was on an antibiotic treadmill. My first bees, which I purchased more than 15 years ago, from a local beekeeper, were infected. Burned and have not had a problem since. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:35:27 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Small scale Queen rearing In-Reply-To: <200608291145.k7TBZDE1005806@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I finished making my nucs on the 15th of August. This is the latest I'd attempt to set up nucs in these parts (upstate NY, similar to where Mike is located). And I would only set up nucs this late with a mated queen. Regardless of the fall flow, which includes Japanese bamboo (as discussed recently), golden rod and aster, I would give the bees time to settle in. From mid-August to "end of brooding" allows likely 3 brood cycles, possibly 4 in a mild season, on at most 2 1/2 brood frames (assuming the rest of the 5-frame nuc is stores). Assuming the nuc is made up on the strong side, one can imagine that a nuc set up this late may be challenged to over winter in upstate NY, where winters can be brutally cold and long. Late summer nucs can make it through a winter in good shape. In fact, the past few years my best spring bees have been my previous summer nucs. The caveat being, I usually advise people in these parts that summer ends July 31. August nucs can make it in a good year. In a bad year they can be severely challenged. And of course, all beekeeping is seasonal, and all beekeeping is regional. As Mike noted, Connecticut will likely have a few weeks added to their window of opportunity. Even Long Island (where Waldemar liver) has a few weeks more than we do up here in the tundra. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:00:14 -0500 Reply-To: scot.mcpherson@gmail.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Scot Mc Pherson Organization: The Mc Pherson Family Honey Farms Subject: Re: Small scale Queen rearing In-Reply-To: <9D95C2906FCCE04F836ECA17C4CE092109A64F0B@UAEXCH.univ.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone read that Article on Apitherapynews.com? How can stevia be used to make sugar free honey without starving the bees? Stevia has no carbohydrate value whatsoever, it is merely sweet flavor enhancer. -- Scot McPherson -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 09:09:51 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: what is 'Sugar Free' Honey? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Just had to post this here. Don't know how it got to Apitherapy News as no carbohydrate content here, nor natural feeding either. What would be difference from crushing other plants like beets, cane? Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ Posted on Apitherapy News: What is ‘Sugar Free’ Honey? Sugar Free Honey Project for Himachal By Indo Asian News Service, 8/28/2006 Shimla, Aug 28 (IANS) In an effort to motivate beekeepers to produce sugar-free herbal honey, the government has introduced a new eco-friendly beekeeping system in Himachal Pradesh. The National Horticulture Board (NHB) has sent 5,000 beekeeping boxes along with the bees to the state, to be distributed in 10 of 12 districts in the next year, an official said. These bees will be fed on the stevia herbal plant leaves that are said to produce sugar free honey. The plant is also considered a natural sweetener and attracts bees. These leaves will come in handy both during the dry winter countryside and the rainy season when the bees are unable to fly out in search of food. In the lean season, the hungry bees are normally fed sugar by beekeepers, resulting in production of poor quality honey. Stevia will change this practice… __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 18:48:30 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Joe Mc Cool Subject: zinc poisoning Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Please, if I am using galvanised overall feeders, is there a danger of poisoning the bees ? I have been warned that sugar can react with the zinc in a dangerous way. -- Thanks ____________________ Joe Mc Cool Snark, currently LEYC 028 37548074, 07802572441 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 16:51:06 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?windows-1252?Q?Brad?= Subject: NW Carniolan Queens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Does anyone have New World Carniolan Queens still available for requeening this late summer? I have called probably 20 places with no luck so far. I live in Nebraska and would like to requeen two of my five hives this fall. Thanks. Brad -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:29:29 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Joe Mc Cool Subject: thymol and fumidil b Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Please, are there any problems with feeding thymol and fumidil b at the same time (ie in the same syrup) ? -- Thanks ____________________ Joe Mc Cool Snark, currently LEYC 028 37548074, 07802572441 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 23:44:53 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Another mite? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My friend in S India sent me this picture of mites (?) on mellifera: http://www.stratfordbeekeepers.homecall.co.uk/asianmites.jpg I think it is not Varroa or Tropilaelaps. Can anyone help to identify = it? Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 19:05:10 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: Another mite? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 29/08/2006 23:58:31 GMT Standard Time, beekeepers@STRATFORD-UPON-AVON.FREESERVE.CO.UK writes: I think it is not Varroa or Tropilaelaps. Can anyone help to identify it? So they are using Mellifera and not Cerana in S. India. The mites, if that's what they are look horrific, making up in numbers what they lack in size. They are quite a bit smaller than Vd, and I think bigger than Tc and the wrong shape. Shapewise they resemble Vd which suggests as you say, another mite. And still people want to import bees! Chris -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 07:28:22 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Another mite? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Slade wrote: > So they are using Mellifera and not Cerana in S. India. The majority of bees used are cerana, but some mellifrea were 'imported' from N India when Thai Sac Brood Virus wiped out 95% of cerana in the early 1990s. Cerana numbers have rebounded and are now showing good resistance to TSBV (lesson for everyone here!), but mellifera struggles in what is really an unsuitable environment. The attraction is the larger crop from mellifera. Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:46:40 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Another mite? In-Reply-To: <002401c6cbbc$befab770$dccc6a58@office> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Peter Edwards writes: I think it is not Varroa or Tropilaelaps. Can anyone help to identify it? Euvarroa sinhai infests drone brood like varroa, etc., and it is taxonomically close to varroa jacobsoni, and used to talk about it transferring over too..........but florea it is normally found upon. Could it be this......would need to know more and see more pictures though. But would check for this. Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:06:15 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: Another mite? In-Reply-To: <002401c6cbbc$befab770$dccc6a58@office> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Peter Edwards: Here is another to consider: While Koeniger in 1987 reported on Euvarroa sinhai, Delfinado-Baker and Aggarwal also in 1987 reported finding Varroa underwoodi on cerana. Both would be candidates to look at and at time of reporting finds we were told as industry to keep in backs of our minds for future transfers over. But again would need more information and pictures to look at. But these are only two I can find in looking in my files from the 1980s. Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:07:27 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Arheit Subject: Re: what is 'Sugar Free' Honey? In-Reply-To: <20060829160951.19897.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 12:09 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote: >In the lean season, the hungry bees are normally fed sugar >by beekeepers, resulting in production of poor quality >honey. Stevia will change this practice… A more important question, since when could stored sugar syrup be called or sold as honey? Of course it's poor quality honey, mainly because it's not honey. The same would apply with Stevia or other artificially fed plant or fruit juices. Isn't there any standard for honey? Of course I'm sure it's being done in parts, but I've never seen anyone announce so publicly that their honey is just sugar syrup. The headline really ought to read: 'Government admits to producing fake honey, tries new gimmick to pass off artificial sweeter as honey.' This should be a new one for Jim's Wall of Shame: http://www.bee-quick.com/wall/shame2.html -Tim -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 14:23:46 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Walter Zimmermann Subject: They sell honey anyway they can MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings: We all had our two cents worth about the major packers and types of honey they flog . Here in Ontario one of our large packers/importers has gotten in bed with Kellogs and not only does Billy Bee get to unload honey but it's on Kellogs All Bran cereal with "Billy Bee" flying off the box in the TV ad. Just curious- besides denoting that it's honey, will it be acknowledged that some or all of it is imported rather that Canadian/North American? Walter Ontario -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 08:49:49 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Nixon Ronald W NNVA Subject: Re: what is 'Sugar Free' Honey? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain At 12:09 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote: >In the lean season, the hungry bees are normally fed sugar >by beekeepers, resulting in production of poor quality >honey. Stevia will change this practice... Is this tantamount to putting bees on a low carb diet? v/r Ron -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 10:05:42 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: MRH Subject: Re: what is 'Sugar Free' Honey? In-Reply-To: <20060829160951.19897.qmail@web51608.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The Ontario government has an information page on stevia. It doesn't directly illuminate the honey question, but gives interesting general info. http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/crops/facts/stevia.htm Marc Hoffman -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:17:39 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: what is 'Sugar Free' Honey? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060829135718.05688380@mail.watchtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tim: Careful here. With all the honey pulled even in this country and sugar and syrups fed back these words: >In the lean season, the hungry bees are normally fed sugar >by beekeepers, resulting in production of poor quality >honey. .....could even apply to a lot of honey here produced, for where does feeding stop and extraction begin? How would you separate it? Do beekeepers let all the sugar/syrups fed be eaten out? How do they change contents of combs from artificial to now just nectar/honey? Food for thought.... Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:40:19 +0200 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Daniel Adam Subject: Re: what is 'Sugar Free' Honey? In-Reply-To: <20060830161739.19821.qmail@web51615.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit is that where the polariscope discussed earlier here comes in handy? what easy methods are there to measure sugar in honey? (the one that should not be there...) how accurate are these methods? Sweet greetings from Switzerland. Daniel -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:23:02 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Joe Mc Cool Subject: honey testing in the UK Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Please, where can I get honey analysed in the UK. -- Thanks ____________________ Joe Mc Cool Snark, currently LEYC 028 37548074, 07802572441 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:07:56 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Another mite? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Dee Thanks for your input. The Euvarroa certainly seem good potential candidates (I have seen Apis florea in the area, so they could have transferred), but I have been unable to find any pictures of them on bees so have no idea whether they would cluster on both the thorax and abdomen as these are doing. I have looked at the pictures that I took of florea but, of course, there is not a mite to be seen! Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:13:01 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Tim Arheit Subject: Re: what is 'Sugar Free' Honey? In-Reply-To: <20060830161739.19821.qmail@web51615.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 12:17 PM 8/30/2006, you wrote: >.....could even apply to a lot of honey here produced, for >where does feeding stop and extraction begin? One would think the line was well before it started having a serious negative effect on the honey resulting in poor quality honey. Isn't there a standard maximum limit of sugar that can be found in honey (which contains several different sugars) before it is considered adulterated? The article seems to imply more than just feeding bees during lean years for survival, but actually feeding them for production itself, especially when taken in conjunction with the governments desire to replace the sugar with the herb and produce honey for sale. Unless the sugar honey is somehow not as good for the bees themselves compared to the herb honey (which I doubt given the lack of carbohydrates in the herb), it looks reasonable to me that they are actually claiming to have turned sugar into gold. I know it happens, and have even run into a beekeeper who fed sugar in order to make and harvest honey when no flow was on, purposely creating fake honey. He felt that no mater the source, if it was stored in comb, it was honey. But properly managed a very minimal amount of syrup should every be mixed into the honey by the bees. I am still confused how they are expecting bees to survive on a low calorie sweetner. -Tim -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:08:54 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Polariscope MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erik Whalen-Pedersen has posted the diagram for a Polariscope (from the = 1962 USDA publication #1261) on the pages of the Northern Illinois = Beekeepers Association. This is available to anyone on the net by = "pointing their browser" to http://niba.home.mchsi.com/Polariscope.JPG =20 Thanks Erik! -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:44:35 -0700 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dee Lusby Subject: Re: what is 'Sugar Free' Honey? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.0.20060830170000.04be5fe8@mail.watchtv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tim writes: I am still confused how they are expecting bees to survive on a low calorie sweetner. Reply: I guess this is what we shall all be waiting to see, because in such bad conditions bees need carbohydrates more then ever to survive along with adequate pollen. Also I am still trying to understand how this would apply to apitherapy knowing what apitherapy is about or supposed to be about. In a way it almost seems a hoax or ploy for money. Respectfully submitted, Dee A. Lusby Small Cell Commercial Beekeeper Moyza, Arizona http://groups.yahoo.com/group/organicbeekeepers/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:01:07 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Keith Benson Subject: Re: what is 'Sugar Free' Honey? In-Reply-To: <20060831004436.23676.qmail@web51604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dee Lusby wrote: >Tim writes: >I am still confused how they are expecting bees to survive >on a low calorie sweetner. > > > I can't see how they will. Not the first bright idea that wasn't. Keith >Reply: > > -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:59:15 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Brian_Fredericksen?= Subject: Painted bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This week in southern Minnesota I saw most of the forager bees coming in with a white streak of pollen or plant material from their head all the way down their backs. The mark was so noticeable I thought of Tom Seeley and how he marks his bees in his experiments. The pollen they were bringing in was light tan in color, small loads and very sticky. I saw this going on in 3 different yards so the plant must be fairly common. I'm trying to figure out what plant they could have been visiting that would have a long tube like shape. Any ideas? -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 07:25:49 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ruary Rudd Subject: Re: honey testing in the UK MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Martin of The Honey International Packers Association at 32 West Avenue, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 2EY does pollen analysis and will no doubt give you further advice. Ruary -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 06:44:21 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Bill Truesdell Subject: Re: what is 'Sugar Free' Honey? In-Reply-To: <87472588CD506A41AD513543EB698CC03A037B@nnvaexch.supship.navy.mil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.jeevanherbs.com/stevia.html It will be interesting to see how bees extract a non-sugar nectar from dried leaves, which is where the sweetener is. The original article does not make sense and seems more typical of a reporter getting it totally wrong but earnestly reporting what they think they heard. Or a government official doing the same, but funding it. Bill Truesdell Bath, Maine -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:58:49 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: Painted bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This week in southern Minnesota I saw most of the forager bees > coming in with a white streak of pollen or plant material from their > head all the way down their backs. This would be Himalayan Balsam in the UK. Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:49:26 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: OA and open brood. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I collected one colony from a house a while ago that had loads of varroa. (The first varroa infested feral colony for me ever.) I gave them a virgin queen from my 'preferred stock.' At this point the colony's brood has emerged and the new queen started laying several days ago. I do see varroa on the adult bees and would like to knock them down with oxalic acid. I understand that varroa will dive under larvae just prior to cells being capped. The oldest larvae in this colony has maybe 3- or 4 days old so it seems that all the varroa will be exposed to the OA. Is there any risk from the OA treatment to open brood or very young laying queens? Thanks. Waldemar Long Island, NY -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 09:33:48 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Painted bees In-Reply-To: <200608311034.k7VAY51N023365@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm glad Brian raised the issue, as the source has never been identified (on BEE-L). >From BEE-L archives: "Dick Allen asked: In late summer or early fall workers are often seen with a yellow marking on their thorax that looks as though someone had marked them. What is that marking showing up on workers at the end of the season? Mike Palmer answered: My bees get a white stripe on the dorsal side of their thorax. I affectionately call them 'stripers'. I've always thought they got it from working chicory. The way the bee gets nectar from the chicory causes the pollen to be deposited on the thorax. I could be wrong of course." This is the time of year that the 'stripers' show up. As far as I know, we have never definitively identified the source. Mike speculated Chicory (Cichorium intybus). I often wondered if it might be Touch me Not, also called Jewelweed (Impatiens capensis), which is blooming abundantly in these parts right now. McGregor writes about chicory, "The composite 1 1/2 inch flower opens early in the morning (5:30 to 7:30 a.m.) and closes about noon (Dinakaran and Sundaraj 1960)." I have seen the "stripers" late in the afternoon, so I would be inclined to rule out chicory. Jewelweed is not listed in McGregor, so I would be inclined to rule that out too, although I found the following passage in cyberspace: "Spotted Jewelweed is often visited by nectar-loving animals, such as hummingbirds, bees, and butterflies", so perhaps it's still in the running. At the same site I found this warning and interesting tidbit: "While Jewelweed needs moisture to grow, it often grows alongside another plant that grows just about anywhere: Poison Ivy. The sap of jewelweed is even used to relieve itching from Poison Ivy rashes". Nature never ceases to amaze me! Bottom line: the culprit painting our honeybees remains at large and unidentified! Does anyone know who the culprit might be? Aaron Morris - thinking mysteries abound! -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:34:04 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Painted bees In-Reply-To: <200608311333.k7VCbeij025893@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Some have asked for geographic location of these "stripers". Most of the reports have come from northern latitudes of North America (Vermont, upstate New York, southern Minnesota, southern Alaska). Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:42:34 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dan&jan Subject: Re: Painted bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jewelweed will also immediately relieve the effects of stinging nettles. Not hearsay, but from personal experience. You may find them growing close together as the like the same environment. I just grab a handful of jewelweed, crush it and rub it on the affected area= almost immediate relief. Dan Veilleux in the mountains of NC zone 6a -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:47:25 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Lloyd Spear Subject: painted bees and oxalic acid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline I observed bees on jewel weed that are 'painted' in the manner specified and have always thought jewel weed was the source. IMO, the oxalic acid will kill the brood at the dilutions recommended (2%- 3.5%). However, 'now' is a good time for such an application as the queen will resume laying 2-3 days after the application so there will be lots of varroa-free young bees going into the winter. Probably 2-3 cycles worth. I don't believe that the application will kill fully formed bees of any age. Lloyd -- Lloyd Spear Owner Ross Rounds, Inc. Manufacture of equipment for round comb honey sections, Sundance Pollen Traps, and producer of Sundance custom labels. Contact your dealer or www.RossRounds.com -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 11:21:57 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: FW: [BEE-L] Painted bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Graham [mailto:jgraham@dadant.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 11:22 AM > To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology > Subject: Re: [BEE-L] Painted bees > > > See October 2005 ABJ, page 831, Toadflax (Linaria vulgaris) -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 10:38:22 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dave Hamilton Subject: oxalyic acid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Where are those of you in the US purchasing oxalic acid? .. is this what you plan for a late fall treatment this year? Nebraska was to have a section 18 mitacide approved but it is going too slow for this year; so we are back to Coumaphos or finding oxalyic acid for the drizzle method( not yet approved either). Dave -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:24:58 GMT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: "waldig@netzero.com" Subject: Re: oxalyic acid Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>Where are those of you in the US purchasing oxalic acid? .. Nebraska was to have a section 18 mitacide approved but it is going too slow for this year.... ---------------------- Any hardware store should have it. It's used as wood bleach. It comes in pure anhydrate form but call the manufacturer to confirm they don't add anything else! I did. It's very inexpensive and you use small amounts. I can't help re. approvals and registrations. Oxalic acid has been used for a couple of decades following thorough research in countries that are no banana republics. I only use oxalic acid along with screened bottoms for varroa control. Unlike Checkmite or Apistan, OA leaves no unnatural levels in honey or wax. Approval is taking a long time because there is no big business pushing for it... Waldemar -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 12:58:35 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Dick Allen Subject: Re: Painted bees Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit After asking about that on Bee-L I received a private email informing me it was Linaria vulgarius. It’s called by a common name ‘Butter and Eggs’ around here. In those years when queens are painted yellow, foraging bees can make a real chore out of finding her. Here’s a photo: http://www.hlasek.com/foto/linaria_vulgaris_a140.jpg (I know that’s not a honey bee.......) Regards, Dick Allen -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:08:46 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Painted bees In-Reply-To: <200608311705.k7VCbe1N025893@listserv.albany.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Linaria vulgarius. It's called by a common name 'Butter and Eggs' around here. Also called Yellow Toadflax (as Joe posted) Aaron Morris - thinking culprit found! -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 17:25:34 +0000 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Ann Rein Subject: Re: Painted bees Linaria vulgarius actually makes more sense than toadflax at this time of the year. I'm intrigued by the jewelweed, it sounds like a good source of nectar, and our girls are surrounded by it! Ann Hanson, MA -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 13:04:47 -0500 Reply-To: scot.mcpherson@gmail.com Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Scot Mc Pherson Organization: The Mc Pherson Family Honey Farms Subject: Re: Painted bees In-Reply-To: <083120061725.23635.44F71B8E000DDE0E00005C532206813613040E0D02020E@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>> I'm intrigued by the jewelweed, it sounds like a good source of nectar, and our girls are surrounded by it! Are you near swampland or river/streams? Jewel is a high water content plant and they require the resources to keep from drying out. I didn't know they were a honey plant though, I never kept bees near them in any large number. -- Scot McPherson The McPherson Family Honey Farms Davenport, Iowa USA -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 14:00:55 -0500 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Greg Brown Subject: Re: oxalyic acid In-Reply-To: <20060831.092522.760.185133@webmail60.nyc.untd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit " Approval is taking a long time because there is no big business pushing for it." I believe that the ABF purchased testing data from Canada to speed along the aproval process. -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:49:23 EDT Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Chris Slade Subject: Re: Painted bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 31/08/2006 11:37:45 GMT Standard Time, amesfarm@HOTMAIL.COM writes: I'm trying to figure out what plant they could have been visiting that would have a long tube like shape. Any ideas? Himalayan Balsam. Chris -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 16:54:02 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Painted bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris Slade offered: Himalayan Balsam. We're talking the same plant here (which is why many readers request = Latin names). Himalayan Balsam ( Impatiens glandulifera ) Policeman's helmet, Indian Touch-Me-Not, Ornamental Jewelweed=20 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:26:31 +0100 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Peter Edwards Subject: Re: OA and open brood. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Waldemar asked: > Is there any risk from the OA treatment to open brood or very young > laying queens? See caveat on oxalic acid here: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/Newsletters/April2006.htm Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:19:32 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: Painted bees In-Reply-To: <9D95C2906FCCE04F836ECA17C4CE092109A64F25@UAEXCH.univ.alban y.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4DE85308 > I often wondered if it might be Touch me >Not, also called Jewelweed (Impatiens capensis), which is blooming >abundantly in these parts right now. Could there be two species that cause stripes on the thorax? I'm seeing both white stripers and yellow stripers on the same comb, with white being far more common. There are two species of Jewelweed, here in the North. The most common is Impatiens capensis. There is also Impatiens pallida, or Pale Touch Me Not. Mike -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:24:42 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Michael Palmer Subject: Re: oxalyic acid In-Reply-To: <20060831153822.MQAS3855.ispmxmta09-srv.windstream.net@webm ail-relay.alltel.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-4DE85308 > Where are those of you in the US purchasing oxalic acid? .. Small quantities from the hardware store. Large quantities from: Wintersun Chemicals mshen@wintersungroup.com Hardware store cost...$5 - $10 per pound Wintersun Chemicals...25K bag delivered for $115 MIke -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:43:29 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Aaron Morris Subject: Re: Painted bees MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't speak to white vs. yellow stripers, but based on the bees I = observed working Spotted Jewelweel (Impatiens capensis), orange flowers = with deeper orange spots, I am convinced that it is Spotted Jewelweed = that is putting the white stripes on the honey bees I've observed in = upstate New York. That is of course unless the bees flew to the = jewelweel after working toadflax or chicory. =20 Aaron Morris - thinking touch me not! -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info --- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 22:33:28 -0400 Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology Sender: BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu From: Alden Marshall Subject: Re: Painted bees MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Fredericksen" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: [BEE-L] Painted bees > This week in southern Minnesota I saw most of the forager bees > coming in with a white streak of pollen or plant material from their > head all the way down their backs. > I have some hives in a stand of Jewel Weed that produces that white stripe on the backs. The bee has to crawl into the cone past the stamen to reach the nectary. The blossom hangs such that the stamen is on the top side as the bee crawls in. Some of the bees enter in upside down which would leave a stripe un the under side, usually not obvious. Alden Marshall Hudson, NH 03051 -- Visit www.honeybeeworld.com/bee-l for rules, FAQ and other info ---