From LISTSERV@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDUSat Dec 10 05:02:07 1994 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 05:46:11 -0500 From: BITNET list server at ALBNYVM1 To: Allen Dick Subject: File: "BEE-L LOG9412" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 02:34:51 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter" Subject: Dreaming of a cube van Allen Dick writes: >Therefore I dream of a cube van and an enclosed trailer or two. The boys like loading the trailer (a low one) using handcarts better than using the boom loader on the flat deck, believe it or not. Several van trailers could be loaded and left sitting in a yard for pickup when convenient - even by a small person with a pickup truck at night in the pouring rain several days later - with no ill effects. A closed van might be a great thing when you are caught in a thunderstorm with a load of supers, but it is very risky for hauling bees. The east coast migratories used to use a lot of reefers, but eveyone I know has gone to using flatbeds. It might be a good idea to talk with some of the ex-users before buying. I can tell you some real horror stories of reefer breakdowns, of truckers with girlfriends en route, even though they left the reefers running. I know of one entire load lost, simply because it was parked for eight hours with the reefer running. All the bees left the hives, and were hanging on the walls and ceiling. The owner scooped up bees with a grain shovel and put some back into each hive, but the brood was dead, and even with all new queens, he still lost almost all the hives. Stacked bee hives produce an enormous amount of heat. A friend and I had a close call with one reefer. After we got loaded we waited for the temperature to drop, as the trucker assured us it would. Instead it began to climb. We borrowed a hose and hydrant from the fire department and watered them down, but it only helped for about a half hour, then the gauge showed another slow climb. We had to take off a third of the load, which meant another trip for those, and the trucker gave no discount for hauling two thirds of a load. Just recently a load arrived that had been parked for two days on an open flatbed in below freezing weather, so maybe it isn't just heat. He had many more dead bees than I would regard as acceptable on the bed of the truck. I suspect that lack of ventilation caused a carbon dioxide build up in the lower tiers. So Allen, and others thinking of buying closed trucks: Look before you leap. Good luck. Pollinator@aol.com Eastern Pollinator Newsletter, PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 -Dave Green ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 02:38:02 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Central Postmaster Subject: Mail Delivery Status ***** Error in Mail Delivery ***** SNADS PERMANENT SERVER ERROR Recipients: ROH033.MAH48D@CDCMVS1.ROHMHAAS.COM ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:22:51 +0000 Reply-To: IBRA@cardiff.ac.uk Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dr Pamela Munn Subject: no subject (file transmission) =================================================== B-MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. **December 1994** =================================================== BIODIVERSITY AND TROPICAL BEES Bee scientists everywhere have been pleased by the increased interest in and discussion about biodiversity, as many bee species are important for maintaining biodiversity in a wide range of natural systems. An interesting partnership between maintaining biodiversity, supporting indigenous culture and promoting economic development is proposed for south-east Asia. Writing in the latest edition of Bee World ('Development and honey gathering ecotourism'; 74(4): 157-159), Makhdzir Mardan of the Universiti Pertanian Malaysia discusses the promotion of tourist interest in honey hunting from Apis dorsata as one way of conserving tropical forests and promoting economic development at the same time. 'Outside' interest in Apis dorsata has been high since the yellow rain controversy of a decade ago, and the public imagination has been captured by reports of honey hunting in the Himalayas: the TV programme, National Geographic article and stunning book (Honey hunters of Nepal) by Valli and Summers. Dr Mardan suggests that honey hunting has an economic importance that should be given more consideration when planners make decisions about the utilization of forests; for instance the timber from one large bee tree might yield a one-time $US 2,000, but if left as a nesting place for Apis dorsata can produce more than that in honey each year. The income of honey hunters can be supplemented with a share of the 'income pie' from ecotourism, divided among tour operators, honey gatherers, and research and enforcement institutions. The dangers of tourism activities overstepping the capacity of an area's resources are pointed out in the article, as is the need to share the income in an equitable way. For those interested further, IBRA's library contains a number of references on honey hunting of Apis dorsata, mostly relating to India but a number to south-east Asia. TROPICAL BEES AND THE ENVIRONMENT People will be able to see honey gathering for themselves at a conference with a difference, being held in March 1995 in Malaysia. 'Tropical bees and the environment' will be held at Pedu Lake in north Malaysia, right in the forest which is home to many colonies of Apis dorsata. Before the conference there is an expedition to look at traditional honey gathering (after dark), and the impressive drone flight and 'yellow rain' mass defecation just after sunset. Tropical bees and the environment, 13-15 March 1995. Pre-conference expedition 11 March 1995. Contact Beenet Asia Secretariat, Plant Protection Department, Universiti Pertanian Malaysia, 43400 UPM Serdang, Selangor DE, Malaysia. Fax (+60) 3-948-3745 or 948-2507. Further information from Dr Mardan at this address, or makhdzir%upmvmesa.ccrisc.upm.my. Reduced registration fees apply until 31 January 1995. FORAGING STRATEGIES 'Comparative foraging strategies in solitary and social bees' is the title of a one-day meeting of the Royal Entomological Society of London. The programme will include papers, posters and discussions, and both senior researchers in this field and some of the younger workers will be contributing. The meeting will be at Exeter University in south-west England on Saturday 4 February 1995, and is open to anyone interested. For full details and a booking form contact Dr Robin Wootton, University of Exeter, Hatherly Laboratories, Prince of Wales Road, Exeter EX4 4PS. Phone (+44) 1392-263753, fax 1392-263700, e.mail r.j.wootton@cen.exeter.ac.uk. CONFERENCE CALDENDAR 3rd Apidological Symposium, Jena, Germany, 22-26 August 1995. The approach of this symposium is to consider the honey bee colony as a superorganism. Topics will include genetics and developmental physiology, caste formation and sexuality, neuro- and sensory physiology, wild bees: biology and use as bio-indicators, and beekeeping practice. Contributions are invited and the deadline for submissions is 28 February 1995. Contact: Dr Ursula Horn, Friedrich-Schiller-Universitat Jena, Biologisch- Pharmazeutische Fakultat, Institut fur Ernahrung und Vmwelt, Apidologie und Angewandte Zoologie, Am Steiger 3, D-07743 Jena/Thuringen, Germany. Fax: (+49) 641-635 382. 7th International Symposium on Pollination (ICPBR), Lethbridge, Canada, 24-28 June 1996. Contact: Dr Ken Richards, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada, Lethbridge Research Centre, Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada T1J 4B1. Fax: (+1) 403 382 3156, E.mail: richards@abrsle.agr.ca FLORA FOR FAUNA A nationwide campaign to encourage gardeners to grow trees, shrubs and flowers which are food sources for Britain's wildlife was launched recently at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, UK. This move in nature conservation commenced with thousands of 'Flora for fauna' labels, placards, posters and booklets being distributed to selected garden centres throughout Britain. Plans are already under way for this British project to be extended to France and Germany, as after 1 January it will run parallel with European Conservation Year - ENCY 95. It is being supported by some of the most prestigious conservation and scientific organizations in Britain, as well as the Horticultural Trades Association. The first stage of 'Flora for fauna' is providing information about what plants are hospitable for wildlife. Already 25,000 plant labels covering 25 species have been attached to plants from the north of Scotland to south Cornwall as part of a six-month pilot scheme. The information has been extracted from the introductory 'Flora for fauna' database which highlights the preferred plants for wildlife in British gardens. It details what birds, butterflies, frogs, bats and other forms of wildlife eat; what eats them; what is needed for nests and homes; what special plants relate to different forms of wildlife; and which cultivars of a species still have a good nectar and pollen yields. The next stage is further development of the database, which will be launched in a comprehensive version in December 1995. Bees have a good mention in the introductory publicity, and key plants that are useful nectar and pollen sources will be highlighted in the database. Details of the 'Flora for fauna' database disk and accompanying booklet are available from: The Duchess of Hamilton, c/o The Linnean Society of London, Burlington House, Piccadilly, London W1V 0LQ, UK. Orders: phone (+44) 171-351-4266, fax 171-352-5655, e.mail john@linnean.demon.co.uk CONSERVING WHICH BEES? We had a query about the forthcoming meeting 'Conserving Europe's bees' suggesting that the title is a bit narrow - wouldn't 'Conserving bees' or 'Conserving temperate bees' be better? Well, maybe, but we chose the 'Europe' title (1) to help attract funding (1995 is the European year of nature conservation) and (2) because we thought that a two-day meeting wouldn't be long enough to attract many people from outside Europe. However, it was always intended that this meeting would cover the mediterranean, and the new world where Apis mellifera is an introduced species. Interest in the meeting is high, and with 6 of the 19 invited speakers coming from the Americas and 2 from Israel there will be a lot of input from outside Europe. Everybody is welcome. Conserving Europe's bees, London, UK, 6-7 April 1995. Organized by the International Bee Research Association and the Linnean Society of London. Information from john@linnean.demon.co.uk or from ibra@cardiff.ac.uk. POLLEN LOAD COLOURS Widespread interest has been generated by the most popular publication from IBRA this year, 'A colour guide to pollen loads of the honey bee' by William D J Kirk. Modern colour reproduction processes permit much more accurate presentation of colour squares than were available when the previous standard work, 'The pollen loads of the honeybee' by Dorothy Hodges, was first published in 1952. The whole question of how to record colour most accurately has been discussed in more detail by Dr Kirk in his recent article 'Recording the colours of pollen loads' (Bee World 75(4) 169-180 (1994)). Beginning with a look at colour science, the article discusses variation in colour and the best ways of collecting pollen loads and matching colours. There is also a good account of the different systems available for recording and classifying colours, and the selection of the system used in the production of the book. PHILATELISTS DELIGHT Calling all apiphilatelists, or should I say philatophilic apiarists? Whatever, there's good news for stamp collectors interested in the theme of bees and beekeeping. It's been 21 years since the last catalogue of stamps on a bee theme was published, in Bee World 54(2): 53-56. Now there's an updated list, including all stamps showing: honey bees, beekeeping or any allusion to beekeeping; non-Apis bees; stamps omitted from the 1973 article. 'Bee and bee interest postage stamps of the world: supplement 1' by Dorothy E Shaw and J Stuart Ching. Bee World 75(4): 181-193 (1994), with four full-colour plates. Also available as reprint M128 from IBRA. Return address: E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snailmail: 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:39:54 GMT Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Gordon L. Scott" Subject: Disease controls. Hi all, I know of a few people in the uk who use irradiation of equipment (& pollen for spring supplements). Unsealed comb can be sterilised this way, sealed comb tends to burst as honey bubbles under exposure. Is this technique used much elsewhere and are their any stong feelings about it. I have heard said the there is concern that EFB may survive treatment & may then mutate, I am told that AFB gets a sure kill. Any views? Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Compuserve 100332,3310 Basingstoke Beekeeper Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk In the beginning there was darkness and the Lord said "Let there be light" and behold there was ... let: command not found. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 13:49:23 +0000 Reply-To: IBRA@cardiff.ac.uk Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dr Pamela Munn Subject: B-mail - December 1994 Just a note to say that the latest issue of B-mail has just been sent out. I intended to give it a subject heading, but forgot!! Sorry. If you have seen it on Bee-L, Socinst or Polpal and not got a personal copy (assuming you expected to get one) please let me know. Bye for now Pam ************************************************************** * Dr Pamela Munn * * Editor of Bee World, Associate Editor of J. Apic. Res. * *============================================================* * E.mail : IBRA@Cardiff.AC.UK | Mail : IBRA * * Phone : (+44) 1222 372 409 | 18 North Road * * Fax : (+44) 1222 665 522 | Cardiff CF1 3DY * * | UK * *============================================================* * If your mail is for someone else in IBRA I will pass it on * ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 22:59:57 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Allen Dick 546-2588 Subject: Re: AFB antibiotic strategies In-Reply-To: <9411301657.AA28136@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299 wrote: > A few points that have not emerged in the recent interesting > discussions: > > Dr. H. Shimanuki reports that B.larvae collected from current (1993) > infected hives (U.S. I suppose, but I don't know how wide was the > sampling) was NOT more resistant to oxytetracycline, than B. larvae from > scales collected in 1924. > (it's no reason for undue complacency, but until other evidence is > presented, it's a measure of the current situation). Most interesting - thanks for the info, Kerry. It's real data like this that enables to turn wondering into thinking. BUT, As you say, it doesn't mean we should stop looking for a better way. > There have been comments about EFB infected hives that didn't respond to > oxytetracycline. I had one like that many years ago, and after a > reasonable period of treatment (3 weeks) I thought I'd better destroy > this "resistant strain". I took a closer look and noticed that, although > there were still larval remains, there were no recently-dead larvae. > That didn't solve the dilema, but then I happened to pick up a swarm too > small for self-sufficiency, added it to the weakened EFB hive, and the > next day, there was no sign of the EFB. Down with non-hygienic stock! We still aren't very good at breeding bees, are we? Look at dogs, for example. Who would think that a Pekinese was related to an Irish wolfhound? Compare the draft horse to the thoroughbred. . . and then there are miniatures. Compare beef cattle with dairy cattle. > The "When Bugs Fight Back" compendium of articles by Pullitzer prize > winner Mike Toner from the Atlanta Chronicle, makes some interesting and > perhaps justifiably alarming points. It's still journalism,( oops I > didn't mean that to sound disparaging, it's just that some tough digging > would be necessary to decide how alarmed one should be). The phone order > worked fine, there was no charge for the article. Thanks to Tom Sanford. How, again, did you get the article? I wonder if we can get the bees to become multi-queen (like the fire ants)? What did you think of James Bach's complaints about present day stock: the lack of retenue, running behavior, poor brood coverage, etc???? I know he was talking about US stock, but I was impressed. I've been taking another look at my stock. I confess I'm just finishing wrapping (I usually finish Dec 10). I've been looking at my bees. They sure vary. Some have impressive qualities; some are pathetic. We've been raising our own queens - as previously discussed. I like to think the good ones are ours. I don't know where the sad ones came from :) We have marked everything, so next spring we'll count the dead and think. When is the last time you saw a defined retinue? I can't say, and I did look through 400 hives for queens this spring. Maybe I saw it and didn't think about it, but I sure don't recall - consciously - seeing the textbook retinues. Does it matter? We - with some trepidation - added some new stock this spring. I bought 400 or so Auz queens - both black and yellow. We had some introduction problems, but the stock was quite pretty - The Italians were huge golden, quiet bees. They seemed quite productive. We'll see how they winter. I think I'll have to try some of Jean Pierre's stock. I wonder how it will do out here in the windy west. > Allen: the woman who impressed you was Dr. Christine Peng from > U.California Davis. One of her points was that oxytetracycline has > sublethal effects on brood development (perhaps slightly lengthening the > development period). She had encouraging results against B. larvae, from > another antibiotic called tylosin. (Linoleic acid is also "waiting in > the wings" against AFB). You are correct! Thanks. I've been trying to remember the name, She sure was one of the most impressive speakers I've heard over the years. And that's not to take anything away from scores of other speakers and thinkers that we are fortunate to have in this field, but I sure would like to have the chance to hear her again soon. She had the numbers and data to answer questions that have had me wondering for decades. > Strategies for sustainable management of AFB and varroa (and other bee > diseases) could certainly use some more consideration, better sooner > than later. I'm happy with the AFB controls we have now. I'm much more concerned about chalkbrood, which costs me tens of times more than AFB does, and sacbrood. Nosema is probably more of a problem than AFB too. Mites are new to me and in a year, I'll tell you what I think about formic acid and menthol and apistan. If it's as easy to handle as AFB, then I'm happy. I don't think it'll be as cheap. As far as 'sustainable' is concerned, I haven't really heard any convincing arguements about how long our existing controls will (or won't) last: your opening comments on AFB and tetracycline are interesting. I'm also glad to hear we've got some backup against the 'neighbour's' disease. Has anyone got a cure for chalkbrood? When we do get one and learn to depend on the extra income that chalkbrood is taking today, I suppose we'll worry about how soon it will stop working. IMHO The trouble is that we don't know what sustainable is. . . W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA P.S. As usual, this started out as a private email, but grew. Quite few have indicated they enjoy these notes, so I'll post it. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 21:18:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Subject: 3rd World Honey Prices SIOUX HONEY ASSOCIATION Nov. 28, 1994 Authorizes additional advances on the 1994 Honey Crop. total to date Jan. Advance total Jan. 1, 1994 Crop Sue Bee Bottlegrade .24 .09 .33 Aunt Sue Bottlegrade .24 .09 .33 Pool No. 3 .19 .09 .28 Special Pool .19 .09 .28 Pool No. 4 .10 .03 .13 Beeswax .65 .30 .95 <-30-> ______________________ (//////////////////////) I have been looking at these prices (//////////////////////) and reporting them for many years and /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ it finally dawned on me that what | Wild Flower! | producers are getting for their Honey | | does not amount to much. Our industry | _ _ \ / | is close to the point of parity with | | |_| | __ _ \/ | other 3rd world commodity producers. | | |-| |: :|\ |:_ :: | | |_| |_|:__:| \|:_ || | It boggles my mind that any producer | | can really call this a business with | Product of USA..16oz | these kind of returns. |________________________| ttul Andy- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 11:59:46 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Allen Dick 546-2588 Subject: Re: 3rd World Honey Prices In-Reply-To: <9412032355.AA19619@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> On Sat, 3 Dec 1994, Andy Nachbaur wrote: > ______________________ > (//////////////////////) I have been looking at these prices > (//////////////////////) and reporting them for many years and > /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ it finally dawned on me that what > | Wild Flower! | producers are getting for their Honey > | | does not amount to much. Our industry > | _ _ \ / | is close to the point of parity with > | | |_| | __ _ \/ | other 3rd world commodity producers. > | | |-| |: :|\ |:_ :: | > | |_| |_|:__:| \|:_ || | It boggles my mind that any producer > | | can really call this a business with > | Product of USA..16oz | these kind of returns. No, Andy, this is NOT a business - it's an obsession :[ We are running a third world business in a first world (are we in the *first* world? - I never quite figured out this first, second, third thing - where exactly does it originate???) country(s). According to the free market guys(gals), production should go where there is competetive advantage. We shouldn't be here at all running labour intensive businesses - all the beekeeping should be where labour is CHEAP. We should be producing information (or something). (Pollinate your crops with info, you orchard guys) The only way we survive is by adapting technology, using recycled equipment and taking advantage of the superior infastructure (especially, but not exclusively roads) in the developed countries. Management has to be razor sharp, and marketing, wise. Many beekeepers are on the canvas or have been recently. W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:08:19 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Allen Dick 546-2588 Subject: Hams and Bees I just got email from another ham (licenced amateur radio operator) on the list. He had noticed the 'VE6CFK' in my .sig. It is my station licence (call sign). He is on the other side of the globe. He wondered how many other hams are on here. So, identify yourselves, Bee Hams! Use direct email to dicka@cuug.ab.ca, not a post to the list, please. Maybe we can set a special one-time sched(ule) on 20 metres for a worldwide rag chew (ham talk for a gabfest) 73's & 88's W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 15:23:28 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Gregory F. Kendall" Subject: "One-shot for Apistan" study? In the November Bee Culture, Mark Winston referred to a study from "a Washington State government laboratory" that showed "Apistan strips lose much of their activity after a single application in a colony". Can anybody say where I can get a copy of that report, maybe, (dare I hope) online? Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 18:56:36 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: THESUN@DELPHI.COM Subc scribe Craig Sandler ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:30:30 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Chris Conroy Subject: Brief flight Bees were out for a brief flight on Saturday. Temperatures were in the mid to upper 50's. Quite a few were clinging to the side of the hive, while there were some circling around above the hive. Good to see that there're still bees in there :) First year hive don't ya know... Chris ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 11:50:48 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rick Hough Subject: [long] Dec. '94 BEE-L FAQ * * * * * * BEE-L FAQ * * * * * * Installment #6 - The BEE-L FAQ is the same as the sci.agriculture.beekeeping FAQ, with just a bit of extra detail about BEE-L added to the front. Your contributions to the FAQ are actively solicited, so please send any suggestions, comments or additions to Adam Finkelstein(adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu) or Rick Hough (rshough@tasc.com) What is BEE-L? Charter: BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. On the technical side: BEE-L is a computerized e-mail list. All e-mail sent to the BEE-L address is duplicated and mailed to all the current subscribers on the list. 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Lastly, Hewitt Apicultural Collection. Sheila A. Lafferty, librarian/archivist at UCONN handles this great resource. Write her for a bibliography, or questions. email: wbladm03@uconnvm.uconn.edu ***** Specialists ***** * Dr. Rick Fell, Apiculture/Entomology professor and researcher at VA Tech is available for questions, comments and queries. email rfell@vt.edu * Dr. Adrian Wenner, Biology professor and researcher at UCAL SB has available information on Yellow Jacket Control. email wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * Jim Dixon has information on Yellow Jacket Control. email jdixon@ogopogo.educ.sfu.ca * Sharon J. Collman, W.S.U. 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The Bombus list is maintained by Chris Plowright (plowright@csi.uottawa.ca) FAQ List The following list of frequently asked questions was compiled by Rick Hough (rshough@tasc.com) Frequently Asked Beekeeping Questions Answers and input appreciated, will archive. Why did my beehive die? What is the difference between Honey Bees and other stinging insects? How do I recognize a honey bee? Why do Bees Sting? What Should I do if there are bees flying all around me? What is the best treatment for a bee sting? Is it true that all bees/honeybees will more likely attack things that are tall/dark/furry-hairy/smelly (what kind of smells?) ? What is an African Bee, and how do I recognize it? Why are African Bees called "Killer Bees?" Are African Bees really dangerous? Do I have to worry about African Bees? (will African Bees be moving into my neighborhood?) How far north will the "killer Bees" get, and when? Bibliography of children's books on bees. Bibliography of beekeeping texts. Bibliography of biology (habitat, parasites, etc.) Protective gear. Finding Queens. Regulatory and research people and their addresses. AHB Progress and news. What is the National Honey Board? How do I find a local beekeeper? What is a swarm -are they dangerous Are their different races of honeybees? What are they and how do they differ? Supering. Honey Production. Queen Rearing. Social Order. Lore. Bee Deterrent? Swarm removal. ____________________________________________________________________________ Z Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ ====================================================================== ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:54:01 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: LaPilot@AOL.COM Subject: Info on Honey Hello, I'm trying to find a source of information on the effects of honey and honey biproducts on humans. Please advise if there is an FTP site that stores such info, the address of any researchers, or the availiability of any newsgroups or newsletters. Thanks in advance, Ed lapilot@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 12:17:00 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Subject: Re: "One-shot for Apistan" study? Jim Bach provided some information that was published in the July 1994 edition of Bee sCene, the publication of the British Columbia Honey Producers' Association (B.C. HPA). Perhaps he has published a more complete version of the test. If any one knows, I would appreciate hearing. I don't know how valid the method is, and he didn't include any actual correlation with field results. Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA He wrote (abbreviated): Recently I had some Apistan strips tested by the state chemical laboratory. The lab used alcohol swabs to remove available fluvalinate from the surface, then determined the amount of fluvalinate in the swabs. 3 samples of 10 strips: #1. new strips opened last fall. #2. strips used in treating colonies for 45 days: slightly travel stained #3. strips used in treating colonies for 45 days:: "more heavily travel stained: minimal propolis and wax particles" Results: #1 (new): 809 ug #2 201 ug 24.8 % of new #3 142 ug 17.6 % of new He concluded," These results may explain the observed ineffectiveness or reduced effectiveness of treatments in Florida and elsewhere when one new and one old strip is used to treat colonies for Varroa." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:57:00 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Burbidge, Brian" Subject: Irradiation for control of AFB and EFB Hi, On the 1/12/94 Gordan Scott raised the question of how effective irradiation of hives was for the control of AFB and EFB. He seemed to be suggestion that there was research indicating that it may not be an effective solution. I am very interested in receiving any information on this topic as irradiation has recently become a recognised form of control of AFB and EFB here in Australia. Regards Brian Burbidge Email : BBurbidge@auslig.gov.au ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:20:13 GMT Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Gordon L. Scott" Subject: Re: Irradiation for control of AFB and EFB In message <9412060006.aa07563@punt.demon.co.uk> BEE-L@uacsc2.albany.edu writes: > On the 1/12/94 Gordon Scott raised the question of how effective irradiation > of hives was for the control of AFB and EFB. He seemed to be suggestion that > there was research indicating that it may not be an effective solution. Slow down please. I do not wish to cause alarm. I do not know of any such research. I have heard *reserves* expressed (but by *senior* beekeepers here). I _would_ like to know if there is any such research or evidence. -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Compuserve 100332,3310 Basingstoke Beekeeper Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:46:11 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David_Winkler@NIHCEIB.BITNET Subject: Venom biochemistry |Date: 12-6-94 8:36am |From: David Winkler:ncieib:nih | To: ¤Bee-L@Albnyvm1‡:bitnet |Subj: Venom biochemistry ------------------------------------------------------------------ I have been asked about the stability of crude honey bee venom. What are the breakdown products, the appropriate storage conditions and shelf life? Thanks. David Winkler ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:31:09 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "F. de Agronomia - AGR2400" Subject: Re: Venom biochemistry In-Reply-To: from "David_Winkler@NIHCEIB.BITNET" at Dec 6, 94 10:46:11 am > > |Date: 12-6-94 8:36am > |From: David Winkler:ncieib:nih > | To: $Bee-L@Albnyvm1 :bitnet > |Subj: Venom biochemistry > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > I have been asked about the stability of crude honey bee venom. What > are the breakdown products, the appropriate storage conditions and shelf > life? > > Thanks. > > David Winkler > ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 10:43:00 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Subject: Re: Venom biochemistry Two sources to try: The 1993 Hive and the Honey Bee new section on venom is quite complete. I haven't looked, but you might find the information or a reference to it, there. Apitronic Services supplies bee venom collecting devices, and venom. The operator would know the information you need. Apitronic services Michael Simics 204 1331 15th Ave S.W. Calgary Alberta T3C 0X8 (403) 541 1877 Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:27:52 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "F. HENRY" Subject: Any unusual uses for beeswax? I am interested in hearing about unusual uses for beeswax, such as the following two cases from my own experience: 1) A military friend asked me for beeswax to stiffen the points of his moustache - he had trained it out about three inches on each side but drooped at the ends. A light application of beeswax each morning fixed it for the day. 2) Another friend, who is into medieval jousting, needed to stiffen his leather armour because these enthusiasts get carried away in the heat of battle and whack one another pretty hard sometimes. (In the Middle Ages, the poor foot soldiers used leather while the knights used metal armour. Nowadays, metal armour is cheap but heavy - those who can afford it use lighter, leather armour). My friend had heard that leather could be stiffened by dipping it in beeswax. (Does anyone know if this is another medieval practice?). The individual pieces of leather were not large, so we heated them up a bit in an oven and dipped them in liquid beeswax. The results were very satisfactory on the field of battle and it was about five years before the leather had to be treated again. Do you know any other out-of-the-ordinary applications for beeswax? No need to mention candles and batik dyeing, as these are common uses. Thanks in anticipation, Falconer Henry, Capital Region Beekeepers Association, Victoria, B.C., Canada ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 14:36:06 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Phil Veldhuis Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax? In-Reply-To: <199412061932.NAA20584@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> from "F. HENRY" at Dec 6, 94 11:27:52 am Well, for one, beeswax was used as an insulator in electrical components in WWII era aircraft, especially bombers and gliders (which weren't build to last if you get my drift). I guess that the wires were dipped in wax to coat them. I don't know if this was done for any reason besides shortage of rubber or speed of application. I think this was especially true of British and Canadian build planes rather than American, but I don't have any hard data. For two, wooden utensils in countrys where such are popular, especially wooden bowls, are coated with what I was told was beeswax. It was a very heard finish, I suspect that the wooden-ware was boiled in the wax. This second use is merely heresay, but it would be an old practice, if it is correlated with the use of wooden eating utensils. Phil. BTW, I think that if a person couldn't afford iron armor, then they might not have been able to afford beeswax either. Also, in a real hand-to-hand situation, rather than play fighting, you are more concerned with cuts then with blows (both hurt, one kills). I'm not sure that stiffness would be a virtue in leather armor anyway, it would be more effective to sew on bits of iron or other material that would provide some protection from sharp edges (see forinstance the leather with iron rings jacket worn by Kevin costner in Robin Hood (also by a young man down the street from me). -- ------------oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo------------- Phil Veldhuis | "if something is not worth doing, Winnipeg. MB, Canada | it is not worth doing right" veldhui@cc.umanitoba.ca | Dave Barry (1985) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:13:16 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: MEMO 1994/12/06 16:17 From: John E III Taylor Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax Falconer Henry asks about uses of beeswax. The following come to my mind: Waxing sewing threads for stiffness, making them easier to handle. Waxing linen thread for sewing leather, for preservation and sealing. Lost-wax casting, where the object to be cast is modelled in wax, then coated with a ceramic slurry or slip, heated to fuse the ceramic into a mold and melt away the beeswax; metal is then poured into the mold. Coating metal for etching: the image is scraped directly in the wax coating, and then the metal is exposed to an etching solution. The wax resists the etchant. Leather preservative, usually compounded with a softer fat such as tallow or neatsfoot oil. Component of furniture polish, usually with other waxes (e.g. carnauba) Component of cosmetics, e.g., lipstick, lip balms, lotions, etc. Note--the usual method for making leather stiff is to soak it in water and let it dry without adding any fatty substances to it. It gets _really_ hard, and makes effective armor. You usually rub some leather preservative into it after it dries. Someone else mentioned use of beeswax in electronic components. Yes, it was, and not just as a cheap expedient. It was used as the dielectric (insulating) medium between the metal-foil layers of certain capacitors (then called "condensers"). John E. Taylor III W3ZID | "The opinions expressed are those of the E-Mail: roh033.mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:06:17 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Teri Rhan {FMO} Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax In-Reply-To: <9412062140.AA06949@mx1.cac.washington.edu> My daughter used beeswax on her braces to protect the inside of her mouth. Also there is a special kind of egg decorating method, the names escapes me at the moment, where you pour the beeswax in a tiny funnel that is used to make lines on the egg, then it is dipped in dye. This method is repeated with differnet lines and dyes etc. The dye is hot enough that the wax stays subtle and is wiped off between dippings and lines. Teri ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:45:43 -0800 Reply-To: Matthew Kweskin Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Matthew Kweskin Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax > Also there is a special kind of egg decorating method, the names escapes > me at the moment, where you pour the beeswax in a tiny funnel that is > used to make lines on the egg, then it is dipped in dye. This method > is repeated with differnet lines and dyes etc. > The dye is hot enough that the wax stays subtle and is wiped off between > dippings and lines. Are these called Ukranian eggs? Isn't there something you can add to beeswax to use it as a waterproofer for boots? (The additive I'm thinking of starts with an 'L'.) -------------------------- Matthew Kweskin kweskm@elwha.evergreen.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 16:02:17 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Teri Rhan {FMO} Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax In-Reply-To: <9412062347.AA09878@mx1.cac.washington.edu> On Tue, 6 Dec 1994, Matthew Kweskin wrote: > > Also there is a special kind of egg decorating method, the names escapes > > me at the moment, where you pour the beeswax in a tiny funnel that is > > used to make lines on the egg, then it is dipped in dye. This method > > is repeated with differnet lines and dyes etc. > > The dye is hot enough that the wax stays subtle and is wiped off between > > dippings and lines. > > Are these called Ukranian eggs? Thanks! That's it! > > Isn't there something you can add to beeswax to use it as a waterproofer > for boots? (The additive I'm thinking of starts with an 'L'.) Linseed oil? > -------------------------- > Matthew Kweskin > kweskm@elwha.evergreen.edu > Teri ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:14:23 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Brian N. Craig" Unsubscribe Brian Craig ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 21:52:12 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Liz Day Subject: beeswax use for boots 'Sno-Seal' waterproofer for leather boots has beeswax mixed with some petroleum-type solvent which evaporates leaving the wax. Liz Day lday@gluon.phys.ufl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:15:58 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Joyce Deming Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax? Have you tried posting to the alt.sex newsgroups? I'm sure those folks have some *very* unusual uses for beeswax!! ;-) Seriously, we recently sold some wax to a co-worker who plays the bagpipes. I'm not sure what part of the bag pipe he uses it on--mouthpiece, perhaps?? I can ask him if you're interested. Joyce Deming jdeming@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:23:17 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Liz Day Subject: oh yes Beeswax is used in a special hand lotion for gardeners (that's lots better than Bag Balm). You put it on before your gloves, it's wax, mineral oil, borax. Sold by johnny's seeds in Maine. Liz Day lday@gluon.phys.ufl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:20:31 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Joyce Deming Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax? Beeswax is still used today to seal wooden butcher blocks. Joyce Jdeming@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 22:15:51 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jamie Friddle Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax > >Isn't there something you can add to beeswax to use it as a waterproofer >for boots? (The additive I'm thinking of starts with an 'L'.) >-------------------------- >Matthew Kweskin >kweskm@elwha.evergreen.edu That would be "lanolin," I think. Jamie ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:38:10 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: nokrian rivka Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax? In-Reply-To: <199412061932.AA08817@ccsg.tau.ac.il> Hello Bee-Liners, I'm afraid some more readers and writers joined us now. Is it because of the coming Christmas vacations? I remember last December there were many 'odd' messages, which only caused some of the better subscribers to quit the list. This morning I found more than 10(!) messages on my mail, all which are 'discussing' beewax. Well this is great, but why should a list which is assigned for discussion on biology and beekeeping be loaded with ideas of how to paint eggs. Do please think before you use the 'reply to' to 'all recipients'. Thanks, Rivka ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:26:13 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jim Osborn Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax? A famous glass artist friend uses it somehow on his punts. Those are the long tubes they use to work the blobs of glass. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:12:00 CST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Matt Ter Molen Subject: Beeswax I would disagree with the notion that this list is soley for the discussion of bee biology. This list should also include hive products and their uses and marketing. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 09:46:46 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: LUTTON@OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax From: NAME: Lars Lutton FUNC: Instructional Media Services TEL: (614)593-2669 To: MX%"BEE-L@UACSC2.ALBANY.EDU"@MRGATE@OUVAX It(beeswax) is also used as an adhesive and floatant in dubbing fishing flies, most notably nymph bodies. It is used still to waterproof the percussion caps on muzzleloading rifles. Its used to lubricate the strings on bows, and I'm pretty certain it is still used in the formulation of suppositories, because of its melting temp. Did anyone mention candles? Regards, Lars/lutton@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 08:05:11 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "F. HENRY" Subject: Replies re beeswax uses My thanks to all who contributed interesting uses. I find that 'what is beeswax used for' close to top of the list of FAQ's at any public demo on bees and beekeeping and was getting tired of giving the same old answers. Apologies to those who found the correspondence irrelevant to their own operations. Best wishes of the season, Falconer Henry ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 11:50:15 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Uses for beeswax and irradiation A while back I lost a filling and was not able to make it to the dentist for about a week. I used beeswax to make an acceptable temporary filling. It wasn't something that would stand up to a hefty pizza, but it was adequate to fill the crater in my tooth until I received proper dental care. I suspect this is the most unusual use for beeswax: to fill the holes in my head! Concerning Ukranian eggs, there is a woman in my office who does this art form. The proper name is "Pysanky" from a Ukranian verb meaning to write, draw or scribe. Regarding irradiation as a treatment for AFB and EFB, there was an article within the past two years in the American Bee Journal about research done to treat for AFB (I don't recall if EFB was part of the research) with radiation from cobolt 60. I don't recall the issue, and am not sure of the methods used, but the results were that the treatment was HIGHLY EFFECTIVE in killing off AFB spores. The hard part is finding a facility to treat one's equipment. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:14:19 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gerald Wallis Subject: Re: unusual uses of beeswax One interesting use here in the Ozark region of the U.S. is treatment of traps for trapping small animals. The traps are dipped or boiled in melted wax which eliminates human odor, lubricates the traps and prevents corrosion of metal parts. Gerald Wallis | Internet: GWALLIS@BUGS.UARK.EDU A320 Dept. of Entomology | Ham: N5KKD@KA5BML.AR.USA.NOAM University of Arkansas | Phone: (501) 575-7689 Fayetteville, AR 72701 | Home Phone:(501) 524-3094 Home of the 1994 NCAA Basketball Champions GO HOGS !! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:55:08 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dave Bell Subject: Re: Replies re beeswax uses Beeswax was a standard part of little pocket emergency kits at one time, particulary intended for plugging a lost filling or cracked tooth until one could get to the dentist. I remembered this when my wife had a crown pop off the other day. We scrounged up a beeswax candle (one of those made up of what seems to be wound-up foundation wax) and shaped a plug, squeezing it to fill the post-hole, and shaped like the missing crown. The dentist jokingly suggested leaving it that way, as the color was slighlty better matched than the ceramic one! Dave dbell@cup.portal.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:57:01 +0000 Reply-To: IBRA@cardiff.ac.uk Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dr Pamela Munn Subject: IBRA - contact over Xmas E.mail to: Friends and colleagues of IBRA From: Dr Pamela Munn, Editor of Bee World, Associate Editor of Journal of Apicultural Research and Assistant to the Director of IBRA Subject: E-mailing IBRA Date: 7 December 1994 If you want to contact IBRA over Christmas: IBRA receives e-mail through the use of a modem, which will be switched off over the Christmas holiday - from 19 December until the 3 January. You can still send us e-mail during this period as it will be held on Cardiff University's mainframe - it just won't be seen by us until after the new year. The offices here will be closed from Sat. 23 Dec-Tues 3 Jan 1995. Best Christmas wishes from all the IBRA staff and happy holidays. ======================================================= Return address: E-mail: munnpa@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snail mail: IBRA, 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK ======================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:21:32 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Re: Replies re beeswax uses >My thanks to all who contributed interesting uses. I find that 'what is >beeswax used for' close to top of the list of FAQ's at any public demo >on bees and beekeeping and was getting tired of giving the same old >answers. Apologies to those who found the correspondence irrelevant to >their own operations. Best wishes of the season, Falconer Henry That was quite a set of responses about uses of beeswax, but may I suggest another procedure. Broadcasting a question to all on the net is a great idea. However, when three or four responses come in, I believe it courteous for subsequent respondents to reply directly to the questioner by the private number, rather than burden the net with dozens of calls. If the initiating person then gets a good input of potential use to many on the net, the replies can be summarized and sent out as a summary on the net so that we get one long message rather than many many short messages that may or may not be of interest (and/or listed on the FAQ). The reason for my comments: some of us receive an audible signal that a new message has come in -- a very handy cue when we are expecting a return message about an important topic from someone. If that bell goes off several times an hour and each turns out to be yet another response to a single question of only moderate interest, it becomes difficult to concentrate on other tasks. It is sort of like a lot of people dialing the wrong number (ours) all the time. Adrian *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 18:29:57 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: SWEDISH CHEF Subject: good luck to you all! From University Of Maryland!!! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:58:44 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Kunselman To: SWEDISH CHEF Subject: what comes around, goes around! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 00:08:38 -0500 (EST) From: Avi M Gopstein To: Patricia Bastiani , Steve Essama , Chris Kunselman , Ross Byczek , Fidel Moore , Etan Gopstein , Jeff Dwyer , Charles Baker , Lisa Kemper , Landon Davies , Melissa Corrigan , Dave Carino <77145@chopin.udel.edu>, Adam Brown , Jennifer Bean , Jeff Barsky , Kerry Shaz , Kevin Knutwell , Erin Smith , Erin Smith , alligold@wam.umd.edu Subject: thought you might need a little luck (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 12:01:53 -0500 (EST) From: Whatchamakalit To: "People on Campus (students)" , agelb@wam.umd.edu, avigops@wam.umd.edu, bianca@wam.umd.edu, bkjack@wam.umd.edu, chow@wam.umd.edu, chunli@wam.umd.edu, cmoon@wam.umd.edu, cshearer@wam.umd.edu, dhamiltn@wam.umd.edu, dhsu@wam.umd.edu, echrist@wam.umd.edu, goldwing@wam.umd.edu, haiastan@wam.umd.edu, hanan@wam.umd.edu, hoff@wam.umd.edu, jeany@wam.umd.edu, jomilne@wam.umd.edu, jyee@wam.umd.edu, lphu@wam.umd.edu, lwilling@wam.umd.edu, mkuta@wam.umd.edu, mpollack@wam.umd.edu, prophase@wam.umd.edu, rjell@wam.umd.edu, scjordan@wam.umd.edu, sguzman@wam.umd.edu, thomasd@wam.umd.edu, tkline@wam.umd.edu, wibetpr@wam.umd.edu, wulf@wam.umd.edu Subject: thought you might need a little luck (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 05 Dec 1994 17:03:06 +0500 From: mike To: 1151@mcis.messiah.edu, green.mt@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu, cflickin@vt.edu, adean@vt.edu, clb3154@sae.ssu.umd.edu, saksamit@vt.edu, bfriedma@indiana.edu, mlg6c@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu, pdl111@psu.edu, cshearer@wam.umd.edu, 94328@taylor.edu, eje4d@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu, echrist@wam.umd.edu, thstaple@vt.edu, maclarke@vt.edu, dshirley@vt.edu, mjanda@csugrad.cs.vt.edu, wihill@vt.edu, arabung@cray-ymp.acm.stuorg.vt.edu, cars@wam.umd.edu Subject: thought you might need a little luck (fwd) >Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:04:23 -0500 (EST) >From: Anthony Tbone Mazzullo >Sender: Anthony Tbone Mazzullo >Reply-To: Anthony Tbone Mazzullo >Subject: thought you might need a little luck (fwd) >To: Charlie Baker , Daniel Crean , > Hong Moon Chin <77274@strauss.udel.edu>, > "F. Sinatra" , Kenny Gold , > Kroeger is better , > Jeff Sizemore , Mike Sean , > bplante@mail.vt.edu, Bryant Lee , > Lawrence Han , Matt Kauppi , > Matt Sanderoff , > Michael Elson Lim , > Carol Bushar , > Johnny Hsiung > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 01:43:16 -0500 (EST) >From: Joshua Orenstein >To: cleverlm@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu, mightyyi@wam.umd.edu, > hsun@husc.harvard.edu, cls8@lehigh.edu, mazzullo@wam.umd.edu, > nakoruru@wam.umd.edu, ekaese@mail.vt.edu >Subject: thought you might need a little luck (fwd) > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 23:48:36 -0500 (EST) >From:WEKRAICH@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU >To: orenstej@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu >Subject: thought you might need a little luck > >From: VAX1::WTBRODSK 1-DEC-1994 20:07:54.79 >To: WEKRAICH >CC: >Subj: just returning the favor! > >From: VAX1::CDHESS 1-DEC-1994 19:56:19.02 >To: WENDY >CC: >Subj: HA HA > >From: VAX2::MADANZEN 30-NOV-1994 21:51:23.87 >To: CDHESS >CC: >Subj: sorry, I have to send this to 20 people > >From: VAX2::JJBURT 30-NOV-1994 20:07:26.29 >To: MADANZEN >CC: >Subj: good luck > >From: VAX2::TNHAGIE 30-NOV-1994 13:51:29.29 >To: MVMARCHA AEPINKER JJBURT AKMITCHE RLMITCHE SANEWMAN KCHAYSLE RCCONLKI TLHALL AJYOUNG >CC: >Subj: good luck > >From: VAX1::JTPEOPLE 30-NOV-1994 10:15:36.77 >To: DCLAPUS,AFSMITH,PEWASH,ASRAND,JATHOMAS,AEPINKER,STU_SCHORTL,FI3451_TJLOM,BJC HALK,JECARPEN,TNHAGIE,TLHALL,RCCONKLI,KLCCONKLI,MMFRANKL,EJBLACK,AKMITCHE >CC: >Subj: have fun > >From: VAX2::CPIVEY 27-NOV-1994 22:36:36.45 >To: JTPEOPLE,BABURKE,STU_CJSELF,STU_C1STEGER,JEDRAKE >CC: >Subj: > >From: VAX2::MXJAWAID 27-NOV-1994 20:55:13.17 >To: BIGGS, BYRD, CAM, JOSH, MARK, MCKAY, MEG, MISSY, PLEACH, SSLEE, CPIVEY, IGDREWRY, ACBANSEM, MGPETERS, EDWEINBE, NLROHT, SESTRICK, DASWYNFO, ADSTELLJ, GFMANNON >CC: >Subj: have fun (heh) > >From: VAX2::TPGLOSS "Cutter" 22-NOV-1994 10:10:33.59 >To: MXJAWAID >CC: >Subj: good luck (heh) > >From: IN%"jmcelwe@tiger.lsu.edu" "Jared C Mcelwee" 16-NOV-1994 00:34:58.18 >To: IN%"tpgloss@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU" "Torey Gloss" >CC: >Subj: good luck (fwd) > >Return-path: >Received: from tiger.lsu.edu (tiger1.ocs.lsu.edu) > by VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU (PMDF V4.3-13 #6308) > id <01HJJ0KIHKFK94PNIN@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:34:43 -0500 (EST) >Received: by tiger.lsu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA30955; Tue, > 15 Nov 1994 23:32:56 -0600 >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:32:56 -0600 (CST) >From: Jared C Mcelwee >Subject: good luck (fwd) >To: Torey Gloss >Message-id: >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 21:00:29 -0500 (EST) >From:BJMCELWE@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU >To: jmcelwe@tiger.lsu.edu >Subject: good luck > >From: VAX2::GBDAMIAN 15-NOV-1994 18:06:44.40 >To: ENDEAL, JBBUTASE, BJMCELWE >CC: >Subj: GOOD LUCK > >From: IN%"DAMIANIMA@urvax.urich.edu" 15-NOV-1994 11:19:27.92 >To: IN%"gbdamian@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU" >CC: >Subj: good luck! > >Return-path: >Received: from urvax.urich.edu by VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU (PMDF V4.3-13 #6308) > id <01HJI8RWJHC094RL9M@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU>; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:18:58 -0500 (EST) >Received: from urvax.urich.edu by urvax.urich.edu (PMDF V4.3-11 #7506) > id <01HJI8P8PXX80047ZJ@urvax.urich.edu>; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:16:53 -0500 (EST) >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:16:52 -0500 (EST) >From: DAMIANIMA@urvax.urich.edu >Subject: good luck! >To: gbdamian@VAX1.ACS.JMU.EDU >Message-id: <01HJI8P8PXXA0047ZJ@urvax.urich.edu> >X-VMS-To: IN%"gbdamian@vax1.acs.jmu.edu" >MIME-version: 1.0 >Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > >From: IN%"segarra@acsu.buffalo.edu" "segarra" 14-NOV-1994 19:08:10.41 >To: IN%"00aosutton@bsuvc.bsu.edu" >CC: IN%"DAMIANIMA@urvax.urich.edu" >Subj: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) > >Return-path: >Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by urvax.urich.edu (PMDF V4.3-11 #7506) > id <01HJHAV1Y3JK004K8A@urvax.urich.edu>; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:07:59 -0500 (EST) >Received: (segarra@localhost) by lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) > id TAA03912; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:07:36 -0500 >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:07:35 -0500 (EST) >From: segarra >Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >To: 00aosutton@bsuvc.bsu.edu >Cc: DAMIANIMA@urvax.urich.edu >Message-id: <199411150007.TAA03912@lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu> >MIME-version: 1.0 >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit >Content-length: 16306 > >Forwarded message: >>From jrevans@whale.st.usm.edu Mon Nov 14 17:56:50 1994 >From: jrevans@whale.st.usm.edu (Joyce) >Message-Id: <9411142256.AA37892@whale.st.usm.edu> >Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >To: segarra@acsu.buffalo.edu >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:56:30 -0600 (CST) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Length: 15884 > >Forwarded message: >>From mbtaylor Mon Nov 14 16:32:49 1994 >From: mbtaylor (Michael Bernard Taylor) >Message-Id: <9411142232.AA90607@whale.st.usm.edu> >Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >To: jrevans (Joyce Renee Evans) >Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:32:36 -0600 (CST) >Cc: tgreen (Trellis Green), nlpace (Niki Leannette Pace) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Content-Length: 15418 > >Forwarded message: >> From cbrannon Sun Nov 13 13:48:36 1994 >> From: cbrannon (Christopher Matthe Brannon) >> Message-Id: <9411131948.AA36233@whale.st.usm.edu> >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> To: arhill (Andrew Roy Hill) >> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 13:48:34 -0600 (CST) >> Cc: mbtaylor (Michael Bernard Taylor) >> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >> Content-Length: 14178 >> >> Forwarded message: >> >From mwp2@Ra.MsState.Edu Thu Nov 10 21:47:19 1994 >> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:46:58 -0600 (CST) >> From: "Michael W. Polk" >> To: Matt Brannon >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> Message-Id: >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:35:05 -0600 (CST) >> From: Mark S. Morgan >> To: "Michael W. Polk" >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:15:56 -0600 (CST) >> From: William J Kyle >> To: "Mark S. Morgan" >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Tue, 08 Nov 94 13:44:00 CST >> From: Ford, Michael D >> To: "Morris, Derek A" , >> "Wuescher, Dan M" , >> "Lynd Jr, Lester E" , >> "Grissom, Ed" , >> "Martin, George P (Phillip)" , >> "Ford, William W" , >> "Herman, Bradley K (Brad)" , >> "Pohl, Katherine D (Dale)" , >> "Ellison, Kyle Jr" , >> "Pohl, Richard F" , >> "Bryan T. Douglas" , >> Christy Miller , >> Melynn Mangum , >> Girault Jones , >> "FORD, JEFF S" , >> "DUMONT, LARRY B (DUEY)" , >> Mike Elledge , 'Shane Crowe' , >> Tony Correa , >> Jason Kyle >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Dement, James F >> To: Evans Jr, Joe L; Hebert, Leslie S (Shane); Ford, Michael D >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Tuesday, November 08, 1994 1:20PM >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Carter, Richie W >> To: Dement, James F >> Cc: Seitz, Lee K >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Tuesday, November 08, 1994 1:10PM >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Dozier, Clinton T (Clint) >> To: Eckard, Beverly C (Bev); Roberts, Eugene D (Eug); Goodman, Becky; >> Carter, Richie W; Duncan, Nannette M (Netta); Christian, Don G; Gordon, >> Diane H; Orakwue, Godwin; Carl, Karen R; Vinson, Michael E (Mike); >> Blanchard, Monique M; MASON, AMY L; HAUSER, DONALD J (DOOGIE); LINVILLE, >> KENNETH W (KEN); PACE, LAURA; BAYLER, MICHAEL D (MIKE); DOZIER, MICHAEL J >> (MIKE); DOEDENS, PETER M (PETE); TILLMAN, STAN P; WACASTER JR, TOM S >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Tuesday, November 08, 1994 12:37PM >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Honeycutt, Christie L >> To: Hutchison, Diane N (Nelson); Cordle, Jill B; Whitaker, Joel F; Jones, >> Lisa G; Chatham, Mardina H; Flanagan, Mellanie L; Kilgore, Patricia G; >> Futrell, Pamela L (Pam); Dozier, Clinton T (Clint); Price, Gail C; McGrew, >> Syble M; Throneberry, Ronald G; Layne, Jan M; Laws, Ramona A; TATE, BRENDA >> F; ANDERSON, CATHY W; BRYAN, JANE C; JONES, J. L (LYNN); MANNING, KATHY J; >> RIVES, LYDIA B >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Tuesday, November 08, 1994 10:20AM >> >> GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!! >> ---------- >> From: Layne, Jan M >> To: Honeycutt, Christie L >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Tuesday, November 08, 1994 9:11AM >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Powell, Vrenda >> To: Layne, Jan M >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Tuesday, November 08, 1994 7:05AM >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Wherry, LeAnn B >> To: Powell, Vrenda >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Monday, November 07, 1994 3:30PM >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Moore, Melissa K (Karen) >> To: Keen, Terry (Veronna); Conner, Julia J; Whitson, Leanne E; Marsh, Sheila >> P; Brown, Van V; Barnes, Dana; Crowell, Deborah S; Bell, Sheila J; Ruth, >> Sherry J; Powell, Mary E (Beth); Pool, Rita M; Brown, Vicky L; Roberts, >> Haidee D (Deedee); Wherry, LeAnn B; MANNING, KATHY J; RIVES, LYDIA B; EVANS, >> LUCILLE M; SPEEGLE, STACEY L; MARLAR, STEPHANIE W; BELL, TERESA J >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Monday, November 07, 1994 2:43PM >> >> Boy, oh boy, do I need some GOOD luck! >> >> ---------- >> From: Bell, Sheila J >> To: Bethune, Lottie P (Pat); Moore, Melissa K (Karen) >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Monday, November 07, 1994 11:38AM >> >> Only because I'm not ready for death. >> ---------- >> From: Roadman-McPherson, Beverly J >> To: Akard, Cynthia A (Cindy); Counselman, Florence S; Quire, Marlene F; >> Smith, Myra L (Lynn); Wilson, Robert L (Typeset); Stephenson, Roger S; >> Steele, Shelia J; Boulden, Tammie J; Bell, Sheila J; Shore, Agnes F; >> Coleman, Donna C; Moore, Melissa K (Karen); Parkes, Cindy M; Hamilton, Nancy >> L; Monti, Nancy L; Cissell, James R; COLEMAN, DONNA C; JOHNSON, GINGER M; >> DAVIS, GLENDA R; jjkamus >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Monday, November 07, 1994 11:00AM >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Sullivan, Tina P >> To: Wegert, Dorseda S; Doggrell, Joan M; Nayman, Lisa C; Geddes, Lynda W; >> Robinson, Marla C; Stone, Arlene W; Bradford, Edward (Scott); Moore, Pat E; >> Roadman-McPherson, Beverly J; Miller, Cynthia M; Brewster, Douglas C; >> Parham, Glover; Harris, Laurel A (Laurie); Patel, Sharon R; Sexton, Sonya R; >> Favor, David R; Kessloff, Gregg J; Monti, Nancy L; Luce, Sharon L; GRAHAM, >> JONATHAN >> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> Date: Monday, November 07, 1994 10:47AM >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Lofty, Martha T >> To: Byrd, Adair E; Frazier, Gary A; Dunaway, Candice R (Candy); Jones, C.W.; >> Garner, Ed; Giurintano, Helen L; Gates, Thomas G; Sullivan, Tina P; Harris, >> William (Bill); Moorefield, Dane B; Johnson, Ginger M; FRITTS, CRAIG L; >> Hudson, Dean; GRINER, GARY M; POLLARD, JIMMY D (JD); jimf; lburns; DAVIS, >> LOU; SLAUGHTER, MIACHA; MCCLURE, TERRY W >> Subject: Good Luck! >> Date: Monday, November 07, 1994 10:27AM >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Grzyb, Jennifer R >> To: Lofty, Martha T >> Subject: FW: Fwd: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> Date: Saturday, November 05, 1994 9:33AM >> >> >> ---------- >> From: Delk, Mitch S >> To: Holland, Neysa S >> Subject: FW: Fwd: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> Date: Monday, November 07, 1994 8:58AM >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> FORWARDED FROM: Delk, Mitch S >> Return-Path: >> From: "Jaskolka, Chris" >> To: "Axley, Bob" , "Ayers, Brett" >> , "Biggs, Doug" , >> "Dixie, >> Ted" , "Koelle, W.A. Bill" >> , "McGuire, Michael" >> , >> "Penney, David" , "Piette, Melissa" >> >> To: "Stanley, Karen" , "Tucker, David" >> , "Gillum, Jill J" >> , "O'Quinn, Rex" >> , "Delk, Mitch S" >> >> Subject: FW: Fwd: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 94 08:04:00 PST >> Message-Id: <2EBE51AC@hvsmtp1.mdc.com> >> Encoding: 167 TEXT >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> >> >> ---------- >> From: jgraham >> To: dallega; trey=jones%rel=eng%pcpd=hou; jroyal; bmelton; sjenning; bmarks; >> >> gunn_todd; aj.alfonzo; fwasiak; tbatten; jhanley; dsmith; sbeisert; >> lgonzalez; esack; jlarson; dsettle; dngo; aherz; cwatts >> Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> Date: Friday, November 04, 1994 2:19PM >> >> >To: yuko, weinland, mfarnie, tjudge, tbourbon, phyl, pplenger, edixon, >> rhayes, gclifton, bmurray, carmical, barrodal, young, arun, francois, >> figueroa, galletti, president@whitehouse.gov, vice-president@whitehouse.gov >> >Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> > >> >>Return-Path: >> >>Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 07:25:39 +0600 >> >>From: "Alan Sheppard" >> >>Reply-To: "Alan Sheppard" >> >>To: kkramer@heart, sbyrd@heart, ks15411@academia.swt.edu, kiml@heart, >> >> GAUTHIER.MONICA@houston.va.gov, kleypas@heart, jbalay@oac, >> >> 72752.2163@compuserve.com, phyl@heart, gstokes@heart, mhess@heart, >> >> redens@heart, nmullani@heart, kburkett@oac, keiichi@heart, >> yuko@heart, >> >> pfelli@heart, ms06@academia.swt.edu, k_yosida@uexs32.nirs.go.jp, >> >> vpina@thesis1 >> >>Subject: Re: Fwd: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> >> >> >>In message <9411021841397869224@aol.com> writes: >> >>> >> >>> --------------------- >> >>> Forwarded message: >> >>> From: laurab@spss.com (Blacklock, Laura) >> >>> To: judd1@aol.com ('smtp:judd1@aol.com') >> >>> Date: 94-11-02 11:55:17 EST >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ---------- >> >>> From: Greenspan, Susan >> >>> To: Chiprin, Barbara; Blacklock, Laura; Urbik, John; kirkeng; rachelf >> >>> Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> >>> Date: Tuesday, 01 November, 1994 5:05PM >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ---------- >> >>> From: marissa >> >>> To: melissa; bowen; susang; mcbride >> >>> Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> >>> Date: Tuesday, November 01, 1994 4:10PM >> >>> >> >>> Forwarded message: >> >>> From timt Tue Nov 1 15:58 CST 1994 >> >>> From: timt@spsssq (Tim Tomaszewski) >> >>> Message-Id: <9411012158.AA11662@spsssq> >> >>> Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> >>> To: marissa (Marissa Kalman 312 329-3346) >> >>> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:58:02 -0600 (CST) >> >>> Cc: gatto (Robert Gatto 312 329-3633) >> >>> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] >> >>> Content-Type: text >> >>> Content-Length: 4415 >> >>> >> >>> Forwarded message: >> >>> >From marissa Tue Nov 1 15:50 CST 1994 >> >>> From: marissa@spsssq (Marissa Kalman 312 329-3346) >> >>> Message-Id: <9411012150.AA10072@spsssq> >> >>> Subject: FW: Good Luck! (fwd) >> >>> To: lauraj (Laura Krug 312 329-3603), holli (Holli Poncher 312 >> 329-3565), >> >>> davidp (David Paoni), shishko (Stephanie Shishko), spira (Tom >> >>> Spira), >> >>> huster (Mary Huster), mbutter (Michele Butterworth 312 >> 329-3641), >> >>> timt (Tim Tomaszewski), groves (Linda Groves 312 329-3635), >> >>> goddard (Rick Goddard) >> >>> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:50:19 -0600 (CST) >> >>> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] >> >>> Content-Type: text >> >>> Content-Length: 3787 >> >>> >> >>> Forwarded message: >> >>> >From kellyg@spss.com Tue Nov 1 14:45 CST 1994 >> >>> From: "Graham, Kelly" >> >>> To: "Balsbaugh, Melissa" , >> >>> bulandr , davidp , >> >>> held , lana , marissa >> >>> , >> >>> robin , spira >> >>> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> >>> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 94 13:45:00 cst >> >>> Message-Id: <2EB6A757@msmailgw.spss.com> >> >>> Encoding: 65 TEXT >> >>> X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ---------- >> >>> From: Elenbas, John >> >>> To: Bell, Debbie; Dennis, Catherine; Gillespie, Erin; Graham, Kelly; >> held >> >>> Subject: FW: Good Luck! >> >>> Date: Tuesday, November 01, 1994 1:11PM >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ---------- >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> \\\|||/// \\\|||/// \\\|||/// >> >>> . ======= . ======= . ======= >> >>> / \| O O | / \| O O | / \| O O | >> >>> \ / \v_'/ \ / \v_'/ \ / \v_'/ >> >>> # _| |_ # _| |_ # _| |_ >> >>> (#) ( ) (#) ( ) (#) ( ) >> >>> #\//|* *|\\ #\//|* *|\\ #\//|* *|\\ >> >>> #\/( * )/ #\/( * )/ #\/( * )/ >> >>> # ===== # ===== # ===== >> >>> # (\ /) # (\ /) # (\ /) >> >>> # || || # || || # || || >> >>> .#---'| |----. .#---'| |----. .#---'| |----. >> >>> #----' -----' #----' -----' #----' -----' >> >>> This message has been sent to you for good luck. The original >> >>> is in New England. It has been sent around the world nine times. The >> >>> luck has now been sent to you.You will receive good luck within four >> >>> days of receiving this message - Provided you, in turn send it on. >> >>> This is no joke. You will receive good luck in the mail. But no >> >>> money. >> >>> Send copies to people you think need good luck. Don't send money as >> >>> fate has no price.Do not keep this message. This message must leave >> >>> your hands in 96 hours. >> >>> A United States Air Force Officer received 470,000 Dollars. >> >>> Another Man received 40,000 Dollars and lost it because he broke the >> >>> chain. >> >>> Whereas in the Philippines, Gene Welch lost his wife 51 days after >> >>> receiving the message. He failed to circulate the message. 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You must not sign on this message... >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:54:08 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Roland Dudley Subject: Re: good luck to you all! From University Of Maryland!!! In-Reply-To: ; from "SWEDISH CHEF" at Dec 7, 94 6:29 pm The message stops here!! I don't want anyone have better luck than me 'cuz mine really sucks. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 18:39:26 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Allen Dick 546-2588 Subject: Re: Beeswax, Hams, IRC, Bells, A Survey, the meaning of life, and , more In-Reply-To: <9412072118.AA35154@cuugnet.cuug.ab.ca> Charter: BEE-L is for the discussion of research and information concerning the biology of bees. This includes honey bees and other bees (and maybe even wasps). We communicate about sociobiology, behavior, ecology, adaptation/evolution, genetics, taxonomy, physiology, pollination, and flower nectar and pollen production of bees. . . . So sayeth the FAQ But please read on. > >My thanks to all who contributed interesting uses. I find that 'what is > >beeswax used for' close to top of the list of FAQ's at any public demo > >on bees and beekeeping and was getting tired of giving the same old > >answers. Apologies to those who found the correspondence irrelevant to > >their own operations. > That was quite a set of responses about uses of beeswax, but may I > suggest another procedure. Broadcasting a question to all on the net is a > great idea. However, when three or four responses come in, I believe it > courteous for subsequent respondents to reply directly to the questioner by > the private number, rather than burden the net with dozens of calls. > > If the initiating person then gets a good input of potential use to many > on the net, the replies can be summarized and sent out as a summary on the > net so that we get one long message rather than many many short messages > that may or may not be of interest (and/or listed on the FAQ). > > The reason for my comments: some of us receive an audible signal that a > new message has come in -- a very handy cue when we are expecting a return > message about an important topic from someone. If that bell goes off > several times an hour and each turns out to be yet another response to a > single question of only moderate interest, it becomes difficult to > concentrate on other tasks. It is sort of like a lot of people dialing the > wrong number (ours) all the time. Thanks for the explanation of why posts can be aggravating. I have a bell, too, but don't leave my mail reader on all the time, so it never ocurred to me that it could be a problem beyond pushing 'd' ten or so times to clear out uninteresting mail. I don't feel compelled to read everything in my mailbox. I am sure that there are a range of opinions on what is fit for posting on this list, from those who feel that only two or three things a year are worth posting to those who would (like myself) wish to see lots of topics posted daily, whether I care to read them or not. To my knowledge there are no other places for such a discussion to take place. I enjoyed the enthusiasm shown in the few responses I did read - and I approve personally. Now, whether things fit the Charter or not, may be a judgement call. In this particular case, I confess that the subject was not read by yours truly, but flushed (mostly) unread. You can be sure, however that I know it is in the logs for reference if I should ever need to know - and it is a question every beekeeper is asked over and over. I would personally *much* prefer to see some chatter on the channel, than see days go by where people are afraid to post, and fail to bring forward their thoughts and questions, no matter how banal they might seem to some others. The very fact that there were so many responses indicated that it is an area of great interest! Speaking of logs, those who are concerned about being disturbed by incoming messages can unsubscribe, but keep up to date on BEE-L by requesting the latest log from the LISTSERV whenever they feel like reading it. (Email me if you haven't been able and need help). Perhaps we need another bee list. One for *serious* ;) discussion. And one for light chatter. Unfortunately I don't (yet) have the software to set up such a thing. Maybe soon, we can split the list and have a chatter group and a group which only receives summaries and bulletins. In the meantime, not to ring your bell an extra time with the following trivia, I wish to announce that so far ten (10) Bee-l'rs are also ham radio operators and we may have a worldwide chat on ham radio as a result of my last survey!!! ALSO, how many would like to meet on IRC some night/day for a bee chat??? Respond to me (NOT the list). I confess I am just getting going on IRC, but please do email me - anyone who is interested - under the subject heading 'IRC for bees' so that I will read it. Please bee careful with your reply and do not include bee-l in the reply or cc line. Read the header carefully before you send and make sure it has *only* my address on it - OR you will ring some bells you shouldn't! I would like to hear comments form *everyone* who cares - on what is the correct and proper use of this list. Please email me your comments and I will summarise the (printable) ones to the list. Comments to dicka@cuug.ab.ca. Flames to /dev/nul. :) W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Phone/Fax: 403 546 2588 Email: dicka@CUUG.AB.CA > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 20:52:43 +22300129 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adam Finkelstein Subject: Re: Beeswax, Hams, IRC, Bells, A Survey, the meaning of life, In-Reply-To: <199412080138.UAA32897@vtaix.cc.vt.edu> from "Allen Dick 546-2588" at Dec 7, 94 06:39:26 pm Allen Dick 546-2588 wrote, > > To my knowledge there are no other places for such a discussion to take > place. I enjoyed the enthusiasm shown in the few responses I did read - > and I approve personally. Hello, there is sci.agriculture.beekeeping. That is a USENET newsgroup for those not bored to tears by my pro USENET posts. Funny, I've actually seen Allen post there. > Perhaps we need another bee list. One for *serious* ;) discussion. And > one for light chatter. Unfortunately I don't (yet) have the software to > set up such a thing. Maybe soon, we can split the list and have a > chatter group and a group which only receives summaries and bulletins. Sci.agriculture.beekeeping was created for anecdotal beekeeping dialog. I don't think with bee-l, socinsect list and sci.agriculture.beekeeping that yet another list is necessary. Why not try what's already in place. After all, it _is_ in the faq... Adam -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adam Finkelstein Price Hall Entomology VA Tech, Blacksburg, VA 24001-0325 adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu ______________________________________________________ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 09:31:03 GMT Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Gordon L. Scott" Subject: Re: multiple postings Hi, I know it isn't the answer but it helped me with another problem some time back. I used the SET DIGEST option on the list to get one mail per day containing the whole day's postings. Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Compuserve 100332,3310 Basingstoke Beekeeper Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk We can defeat gravity. The problem is the paperwork involved. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 13:41:10 GMT Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Gordon L. Scott" Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax? In message <9412070840.aa06232@punt.demon.co.uk> BEE-L@uacsc2.albany.edu writes: > ......, but why should a > list which is assigned for discussion on biology and beekeeping be loaded > with ideas of how to paint eggs. Do please think before you use the > 'reply to' to 'all recipients'. > Thanks, Rivka Hi, This is of course correct, however I and many others are interested. A good way to deal with this sort of situation (if anticipated!) is to ask for replies by mail _direct_to_the_poster_ and then precis later. -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Compuserve 100332,3310 Basingstoke Beekeeper Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 00:06:31 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rob Bidleman Subject: Re: Beeswax, Hams, IRC, Bells, A Survey, the meaning of life, and , more In-Reply-To: <199412080137.AA09804@mail.crl.com> On Wed, 7 Dec 1994, Allen Dick 546-2588 wrote: > > If that bell goes off > > several times an hour and each turns out to be yet another response to a > > single question of only moderate interest, it becomes difficult to > > concentrate on other tasks. It is sort of like a lot of people dialing the > > wrong number (ours) all the time. ** Except that this isn't your private phone. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 00:01:01 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Rob Bidleman Subject: Re: Beeswax, Hams, IRC, Bells, A Survey, the meaning of life, and , more In-Reply-To: <199412080137.AA09804@mail.crl.com> I agree with the 'let's talk' attitude. Although I lurk primarily, I also enjoy the discussion as long as it stays within the charter (which it has). As far as a burden to the Net, it seems as if attitudes are the most burdensome thing around. Enjoy Rob -----------------------------------------------===robbee@crl.com===----- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 00:51:04 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Sharon Collman Organization: WSU CAHE USER Subject: Re: good luck to you all! From University Of Maryland!!! In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 7 Dec 1994 15:54:08 PST from me too. good luck laced with threats of death aint no way to treat friend or colleague. ps. check on me in 96 hours. SHARON J. COLLMAN W.S.U. COOPERATIVE EXTENSION URBAN IPM RESOURCE CENTER @ CENTER FOR URBAN HORTICULTURE UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON GF-15 SEATTLE, WA 98195 PHONE: 206-543-8616 E-MAIL COLLMANS@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:37:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: Wild Bee's BBS (209)826-8107 Subject: Re: Any unusual uses for beeswax? quit the list. This morning I found more than 10(!) messages on my mail, all which are 'discussing' beewax. Well this is great, but why should a list which is assigned for discussion on biology and beekeeping be loaded with ideas of how to paint eggs. Do please think before you use the 'reply to' to 'all recipients'. Hello Rivka! 1st, I was not aware this was any one groups own personal list or that there were published and enforced rules for its general content or who can use it. Please post it if you have it. The more messages I get the better as long as they are on the subject or related to beekeeping. One hundred messages a day would be great, and sure would open the door to a better understanding of what you do and what I do. In the future it may be of great advantage to those in the academic, and research, and regulatory beekeeping community to know what is on the infertile minds of the average beekeeper as budgets become slim or non existent with out some added public support for one's own project. Lets open the door to better communication, not close it. This technology is new to many of us poor beekeepers, give us a chance to catch up, we will reward you with new ideas that could increase your own understanding. We may not know the difference for an indian head meal month and a lesser wax month, but we may know how to raise them, control them or live with them. In a perfect world you could send the newbees over to the alt. science.beekeeping news group, but many readers can not get it and if all did, it would be prudent because of the some of the above that many who only read here read that news group also. Anyway its a no win situation and my advice to you is that if you don't like who or what is written here or it interferes with you day follow your own sage advice and switch to E-MAIL as some of us are here to listen and help when we can without regards to others experience or ability. ttul Andy- ZD? ZD? ZDDD? ZD? ZDDDDDD? ZDDDDDD? ZDDDDD? ZDDDDD? ZDDDDD? 3 3 3 3 @? ZY 3 3 @? ZD? 3 @? ZD? 3 3 ZDDDY 3 ZDDDY 3 ZDDDY 3 3ZD?3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 @DY 3 3 @D? 3 @D? 3 @DDD? 3 33 33 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 ZD? 3 3 ZDY 3 ZDY @DDD? 3 3 @Y @Y 3 ZY @? 3 @DD? ZY @DY 3 ZY @DY 3 3 @DDD? 3 @DDD? 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If the subject line contains the word FILES, a list of available files will be sent. ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___ / \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/XXX\___/ \___/ \___/ \___/XXX\ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \XXX/:::\___/:::\___/:::\___/:::\XXX/ /XXX\ For INDEX of Beekeeping FAQs`::::::::::::::::::::::::::::/ \ \XXX/ e-mail to: hint.ind@beenet.com `:::::::::::::::::::::::\___/ / \ __ __ `:::::::::::::::/ \ \___/ / \ \^+^/ / \ Andy Nachbaur `::::::\___/ / \ \ \(O O)/ / Wild Bee's BBS `:::/ \ \___/ \ \\_// //-->> BEENET.COM `:\___/ / \ ------oOO--Y--OOo---------------------------- :/ \ \___/ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ ___ \___/ / \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/XXX\___/ \___/ \ \___/ \___/XXX\___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \XXX/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \XXX/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ \___/ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 06:56:09 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Nikola Kezic Subject: Bee Breeding on the Islands S E C O N D A N N O U N C E M E N T A P I M O N D I A International Symposium on BEE BREEDING ON THE ISLANDS Organized by FACULTY OF AGRICULTURE AND VETERINARY FACULTY UNIVERSITY OF ZAGREB AND INSTITUT FUR BIENENKUNDE LUNZ AM SEE and BEEKEEPING ASSOCIATION OF THE REPUBLIC OF CROATIA Scientific Committee Prof. Dr. Friedrich Ruttner Prof. Dr. Nikolaus Koeniger Prof. Dr. Robin F. A. Moritz Prof. Dr. Wilhelm Drescher Prof. Dr. Franco Frilli Dr. Janez Poklukar Prof. Dr. Vladimir Vesely Organizing Committee Prof. dr. Nikola Kezic, Faculty of Agriculture Doz. dr. Hermann Pechacker, Inst. fur Bienenkunde Prof. dr. Duro Sulimanovic, Veterinary faculty Dr. Vlado Bicanic, Ministry of Agriculture, Josip Karsic Beekeeping association of the Republic of Croatia Dragica Grbic Maja Drazic Dragan Bubalo General secretary: Lada Bucic, Dalmacijaturist Welcome to Island Vis The Symposium of the APIMONDIA will be held on island Vis from April 19 to 26, 1995. The scientific program as proposed by the Scientific committee will be centered on the theme Bee Breeding on the Islands. The aim of this Symposium is to carry and develop themes that have brought together entomologists, beekeepers, agronomists, veterinarians, ecologists, in the approach to the role of the bees to the environment and whose importance have already emerged. Symposium will be occasion to discuss queen breeding on the islands of the different ecotype, concerning proposed Apimondias technology. To discuss possibility of assistance or shortening of the selection processes in the could areas or to diminish influences of different strains. This will be also occasion to discuss early production, mating designs, different ecotypes of the queens. Symposium will be chance to discuss about beecolonies as a consequence of climatic region, recognized as the ecotypes. The Symposium on Vis therefore offers the opportunity to summarize the current developments in the understanding of biology, breeding, behavior, genetics and the most recent results obtained on the effects of honeybees in the environment. The study of the adaptation mechanisms of bees living in different environmental conditions and the quantitative evaluation of their physiological status, i.e. environmental physiology, is becoming a, tool, for the assessment of environmental quality. On behalf of the APIMONDIA, as well as of the Faculty of Agriculture and Veterinary faculty University of Zagreb and Institut fur Bienenkunde and Croatian Beekeeping Association, we are honored and pleased to invite scientists in the field of breeding, selection, diseases, ecology and related sciences to participate in the Symposium. We are looking forward to meeting you on Vis in April 1995. The Organizing Committee Important dates: February 1st 1995 Deadline for submission of full paper February 1st 1995 Deadline for registration at a reduced rate February 1st 1995 Deadline for hotel accommodation Tentative schedule: Wednesday, April 19 Arrival 19.00 - 21.00 Get-together Party Thursday, April 20 a.m. Registration Opening and welcome p.m. Symposium sessions, invited and free contributions Friday, April 21 a.m. Symposium sessions, invited and free contributions p.m. Poster session Saturday, April 22 Free Sunday, April 23 whole day visiting local beekeepers at neighboring islands Monday, April 24 a.m. Symposium sessions, invited and free contributions p.m. Poster session Tuesday, April 25 a.m. Round table p.m. Tour around island Vis Farewell party Wednesday, April 26 Departure SCIENTIFIC PROGRAMME The theme of the Symposium will be covered with topics: Breeding Models Mating Design Selection Varroa Tolerance Queen Production Honey Bee in Environment Other All lectures and discussions will be in English only. Simultaneous translation will not be available. Round table: Tema: Queen breeding programs on the Adriatic islands. Contributions The Symposium program will include sessions for oral presentation, with lectures (15 plus 10 min for discussion) and plenary session (Round table). Ample time will be allowed for poster exhibition. Poster format is 100 cm (maximum width) per 120 cm (maximum height). Publication Authors are invited to submit the full paper preferably on diskette as a word-processed or as unformated ASCII files. If the paper will be printed, high definition printing will be appreciated. The deadline for receipt of papers is February 1st 1995. The invited and contributed scientific papers will be published in the Symposium Proceedings. The manuscripts will be reviewed by the Scientific Committee. Proceedings will be made available to participants at the Symposium. Social programme Wednesday, April 19 19.00 - 21.00 Get-together Party at the Hotel Vis Saturday, April 22 excursion to Dubrovnik Tuesday, April 25 Farewell party General information: Organization: The Symposium on Bee Breeding on the Islands is organized by the Faculty of Agriculture and Veterinary faculty University of Zagreb, Croatian Beekeepers Association, Croatia, in cooperation with the Institute fur Bienenkunde from Lunz am See, Austria under the auspices of the Ministry of Science and Technology and the Ministry of Agriculture Republic of Croatia. Time and place This meeting will be held from Wednesday, April 19th to Wednesday, April 26th 1995 on the island Vis, Croatia. Symposium Secretariat: Mrs. Lada Bucic, Zrinjevac, 41000 Zagreb (Croatia) Tel: (..385 1) 427 611; 427 612 Fax: (..385 1) 427 911 Registration fees Registration forms must be completed and returned to the Symposium Secretariat before February 1st 1995 Before February 1st 1995 After February 1st 1995 Participants 100 DEM. 125 DEM. Accompanying Persons 50 DEM. 75 DEM. The registration fee for participants includes attendance to the Symposium, coffee and tea during breaks, the Get-together Party on Wednesday, April 19, Farewell Party on Tuesday, April 25, as well as a copy of the proceedings. The registration fee for the accompanying persons includes Get-together party and Farewell Party. Payment must be made in DEM. (or US dollars) by bank to bank transfer, to Faculty of Agriculture for APIMONDIA Symposium, Bank account No: ZAGREBACKA BANKA,D.D.ZAGREB 30107-603-19569 Accommodation ISSA which is the ancient name of the island Vis, today is one of the thousands of islands of the Adriatic. The Adriatic coast has a shoreline 2.092 km long, and there is 1.185 islands of which 66 are populated Croatia has two characteristics climates, Mediterranean and continental. The Mediterranean climate is distinguished by a warm dry summer and, a mild and short winter. The Adriatic coast has 2.600 hours of sunlight yearly. The town of Vis is situated close to the ruins of an ancient Roman settlement, in an exquisite bay of the same name. Hotel is located in the north - east part of the city. Hotel is reserved for the Symposium participants. full board per 7 days Double room 395 DEM. Single room 490 DEM. Please indicate your preference in the attached hotel accommodation form and send it not later than February 1st 1995. Travelling to Island Vis. By plane The international airport in town of Split is connected with the main European cites directly or over international airport in Zagreb. Meeting point: DALMACIA TURIST Desk at the airport Split. The airport and the ferry harbor are connected by 25 min. travel by bus. Travel by ferry from Split to Vis takes 2.30 h. The ferry departs to Vis once a day, leaving Split at 14.30. By car Split can be reached by car. Split and Vis are connected by ferry leaving Split at 14.30. Meeting point: DALMACIJATURIST office, Vocni trg, Split. By train to Rijeka Please contact your travel agency for detailed information. Split can be reached by buss or ferry. Frry departing from Rijeka at 18,00 h. arrival in Split next day at 6.25. Split and Vis are connected by ferry leaving Split at 14.30. Meeting point: DALMACIJATURIST office, Vocni trg, Split. Travel documents According to information provided by Ministry of Forign Affairs of the Republic of Croatia, a valid passport will br needed for travel to Croatia. Visas are required for travelers from the most non European countries, and for the following European countries: Albany, Cyprus, Greece and Russian federation. Registration Form Last name, name, title: ________________________________________________________ Institution: ________________________________________________________ Address: ________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________ City: _________________________Country ______________________ Phone:___________________________Fax: _______________________ e-Mail: _____________________________________________________ I wish to submit a presentation: Oral ____ Poster ____ None _____ Title of contribution: _________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________ I will arrive by Plane ____ Train _____ Car _____ Date of arrival __________ Date of departure __________ Accommodation required: single room __________________ double room __________________ Date: ___________________ Signature: _______________________ This form should be completed and returned to the Organizing Committee not later than February 1st 1995. Prof. Dr. Nikola Kezic Faculty of Agriculture University of Zagreb Dep. for Fisheries, Beekeeping and Spec. Zoology Svetosimunska 25, 41000 Zagreb The Republic of Croatia. tel. (..385 1) 235 777 / 4074 fax. (..385 1) 215 300 e-Mail Nikola.Kezic@public.srce.hr ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:25:55 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Hugo Veerkamp Subject: AFB spores in honey ----------cut----------- > Several people have developed or demonstrated > methods to assess AFB by > means other than hive symptoms. > Mark Goodwin and Cliff van Eaton in New Zealand > have a method of > detection using bacterial cultures, that can use > non-symptomatic adult > bees or brood, honey or pollen as a sample source. > The basic method is ----cut--------- In Finland a method has been developed/standardised for evaluating honey samples to screen for AFB; the method is also based on growing Bac. Larvae spores under culture conditions. I have an info text here but it's in German ( easier to understand than finnish, but still not useful for BEE-L, I guess..) I'll ask the fins if they'd consider translating it into english for us. As soon as they do, you'll be the first to know ! All I can do for now, is present to you the summary of the german article below ------------------------- Summary 52 samples were collected from the beekeepers, one sample from each beekeeper and cultivated on 5 % bovine blood agar after boiling half an hour in water bath. 17 % of honey samples were positive for B. larvae, additional 12 % positive for B. alvei. In six cases with American foulbrood there was B. larvae in honey and in two cases B. alvei. Bacillus alvei was found in four cases of European foulbrood, in one case honey sample was negative for Bacillus alvei. Two beeyards with Bacillus larvae in honey were clinically healthy. The beekeepers were asked their use of antibiotics against brood diseases. Seven of them told to medicate their bees to prevent disease. In spite of preventive spring medicating with oxytetracycline one of them got disastrous American foulbrood. Six beekeepers used antibiotics because of outbreak of brood diseases in their bee yards, three were medicating the bees coincidental. Three out of these nine beekeepers had still clinical American foulbrood and another three European foulbrood in their beeyards. ------------------------- sincerely, Hugo \|/ @ @ Hugo Veerkamp ------------oOO-(_)-OOo--------------------------------------------- | BEENET INTERNATIONAL | | E-mail : | mail : the Bee bbs | | Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org| P.O. BOX 51008 | | ( or press reply button) | 1007EA AMSTERDAM | | | The Netherlands | | Beenet : 240:31/0 | modem: +31 20 6764105 | | Fidonet: 2:2801/28 | voice: +31 20 6715663 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- uucp: uunet!rain!puddle!2!2801!28!Hugo.Veerkamp Internet: Hugo.Veerkamp@f28.n2801.z2.fidonet.org ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:38:27 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Peace Corps Subject: International Bee Keeping Positions Apiculture Positions in Latin America December 8, 1994 Dear Readers of Bee-L, Peace Corps is seeking to place 9 individuals in apiculture projects in South America for next summer 1996. Requirements are as follows: A. Two years of full time beekeeping experience; or B. Associates of Science in Beekeeping; or C. BA or BS in Biology with an expressed interest in beekeeping. Ideally applicants will have some background in the Spanish language. Fluency is not required. Peace Corps looks for a minimum of two semesters of college level Spanish or two years of high school Spanish. Language study should have been completed within the last ten years. Peace Corps positions are for two years exclusive of the in-country training program. Individuals interested in knowing more about apiculture projects are encourage to call a Peace Corps recruitment office by dialing the toll free number 800.424.8580. Upon hearing the welcome message choose option one (1) to connect with a local recruitment office. Email inquiries will be accepted and forwarded to the appropriate regional recruitment office. Please include your full mailing address, daytime phone number in the inquiry. Please direct the inquiries to: peacecorpbos@delphi.com Todd Holmes Recruitment Coordinator Peace Corps Boston, Massachusetts ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:52:32 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Re: Responses to broadcast questions I thank all who responded to me personally, re-inforcing my request that we may need be a little more sensitive to the volume of messages that we receive. If 20 people respond on the Net to a question, that is about 8000 messages on BEE-L participants' computers around the world. But please don't read me wrong on this issue. I really like the "chatter" and even liked some of the messages relative to use of beeswax. Let me provide an example: One recipient suggested coating rodent traps in beeswax. I can put that idea to good use, since I sell fruit at the local Farmer's Market. A real plague for growers like myself are black rats (roof rats) who can do away with a remarkable amount of fruit if left alone (damage if not outright loss). Furthermore, these rats skillfully avoid snap traps and conventional bait. Rats can be a real plague in beekeeping operations. ---- Thus here we have a suggestion that should appeal to beekeepers worldwide; hence, its suitability for posting on the Net. I hope the above clarifies my position. Adrian *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:29:34 PST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Spear Subject: Re: Responses to broadcast questions In article Adrian Wenner writes: >Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 10:52:32 PST >Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology >From: Adrian Wenner >Subject: Re: Responses to broadcast questions >To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L [deletions ...] > But please don't read me wrong on this issue. I really like the >"chatter" and even liked some of the messages relative to use of beeswax. >Let me provide an example: > One recipient suggested coating rodent traps in beeswax. I can put that >idea to good use, since I sell fruit at the local Farmer's Market. A real >plague for growers like myself are black rats (roof rats) who can do away >with a remarkable amount of fruit if left alone (damage if not outright >loss). Furthermore, these rats skillfully avoid snap traps and >conventional bait. Rats can be a real plague in beekeeping operations. >---- Thus here we have a suggestion that should appeal to beekeepers >worldwide; hence, its suitability for posting on the Net. [more deletions] Well, I guess the message here is that there is wheat among the chaff ... and I agree. Any restriction on posting content will have a detrimental effect. The best way to deal with content that is not interesting or relevant to you is to ignore it or respond in a reasoned, constructive manner. We (well, at least some of us) are beekeepers, either hobbyists or business people and anything new, useful or interesting is probably useful. Regards, Richard rspear@primenet.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 21:43:03 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eric Abell get bee-L log 9412