Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:11:28 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jay Jones Subject: Re: purpose of Melilotus In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:02:51 -0500" <199510010302.WAA16167@indy1.indy.net> >How does all this Melilotus come to be? Is it planted, or just feral? >If it's planted, do people plant it for the honey, or for some other >reason? How much of it is out there? (Makes me nervous, but I have >to know!) Although it was originally imported from Europe, it now grows wild throughout most of North America. Jay **************************************************************************** Jay H. Jones BITNET: jonesj@ulvacs Assoc. Prof. Biology and Biochemistry Internet: jonesj@ulvacs.ulaverne.edu Biology Dept. University of La Verne 909 593-3511 x4040 office La Verne, CA 91750 909 593-3511 x4604 lab **************************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 12:13:27 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jean-Marie Van Dyck Subject: Re: purpose of Melilotus Comments: To: lday@indy.net The question of Liz on Sat, 30 Sep 1995 : >How does all this Melilotus come to be? Is it planted, or just feral? >If it's planted, do people plant it for the honey, or for some other >reason? How much of it is out there? (Makes me nervous, but I have >to know!) Jay answer : >Although it was originally imported from Europe, it now grows wild >throughout most of North America. Here in Belgium and seems in North Europe, there are 2 kind of "melilots" melilotus albus (2-2.5 m height) with white flowers as said by its name and melilotus officinalis (1-1.5m height) with yellow flowers. They are pionnier plants on calk fields but as the seeds are heavy, the colonies remains local. Some beekeepers are planting them on calk virgin fields but I don't know about planting them on a real field. More ... but I havn't my english dic on the hand ... sorry ! Jean-Marie ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:18:08 -0700 Reply-To: uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Conrad A. Berube" Subject: Drumming >Illegal to own a skep? I'd love to hear the rationale behind that one! I believe the rationale, which is justifiable in some circumstances, is that fixed combs can not be inspected for diseased cells. Some states (at least at one time) required that colonies be destroyed if they showed evidence of infection by American foul brood. Therefore fixed-comb hives, such as skeps, were also made illegal since they prevented proper inspection. Obviously, there were always lots of wild colonies, in most areas, that might have harbored disease but the "no skep" laws were a "control-where-you-can" attempt to protect the beekeeping industry. - Conrad Berube " ` ISLAND CROP MANAGEMENT " ` 1326 Franklin Terrace _- -_`-_|'\ /` Victoria, B.C. _/ / / -' `~()() V8S 1C7 \_\ _ /\-._/\/ (604)480-0223; fax (604)656-8922 / | | email: uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca '` ^ ^ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:25:30 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Timothy S. Sterrett" Subject: Re: BEE-L Digest - 29 Sep 1995 to 30 Sep 1995 In-Reply-To: <199510010424.AAA11069@locke.ccil.org> Liz Day, How much sweet clover is out there? When you become a school teacher, you can drive west across South Dakota on Interstate 90 (or on the old road that runs parallel to it) in late June and find yourself in an ocean of yellow sweet clover. The air is filled with a lovely aroma and filled with honeybees, too. Sometimes they bounce off the windshield like hail as the car sweeps past an apairy. The plants are huge, with a five foot diameter spread of stalks. The bee hives are stacked with perhaps six shallow supers. Beekeepers extract several 55-gallon drums of honey a day. Did I read on Bee-L about the controversial beginnings of sweet clover cultivation on the western plains? In Eastern Pennsylvania, sweet clover grows alongside of highways in the salty gravel right beside the road. I cannot get it to grow in my yard. Tim Sterrett Westtown, Pennsylvania, USA tss@locke.ccil.org ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:23:22 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Liz Day Subject: Re: purpose of Melilotus The white and yellow kinds of Melilotus are abundant around Chicago, where many naturalists wish they weren't. I know it will grow as a weed - just wondering if it is also cultured for some purpose (planted deliberately and cared for as a crop). Not planning any flames - just wondering and wondering. Liz Day LDAY@indy.net Indianapolis, Indiana, central USA ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 21:38:44 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jean-Pierre Chapleau Subject: Re: marking queens > How is a queen bee supposed to be held in the hand to be marked with >a dab of paint? > I have picked queen bees up to clip their wings. First, I >picked them off the comb by their wings and then held them in the other >hand with thumb and forefinger above and below the thorax while I clipped >one side. Today, I picked up a queen bee to paint it and realized that >the grip for clipping won't work for painting. I ended up holding the >queens by putting thumb and forefinger on the sides of the thorax and part >of the abdomen, too. Can they be painted while being held by the wings? > Further, the first of two queens I marked scooted to a crevice between >frame and comb and appeared to be trying to reach the fresh dab of White >Out on her thorax with one of her legs. The second queen did not act as >though she were upset by the paint. > I was clipping queens because, in the Spring of '95, we had no feral >bees in our area and swarms had a wide choice of homes. I wanted a >chance to catch the swarms before they left for a new home. > Tim Sterrett, >Westtown, Pennsylvania, USA >tss@locke.ccil.org > My preferred way of marking queens is the following: 1- supposing you are right-handed, grab the queen by the wings with your right hand; 2- with the palm of your left hand facing you, press gently the queen on the inside of the forefinger of your left hand. The queen will naturally have her legs envelopping your forefinger; 3- gently sqeeze her two back legs between you thumb and forefinger (left hand); 4- at the same time, bring the finger next to your forefinger (how do you call the finger next to the forefinger, called "le majeur" in french?) against the right side of the thorax of the queen; 5- now the queen is completely immobilised and you can release the wings. Use your right hand to mark. Its is higly recommandable to put the queen in a cage for a short period after marking. In many cases the queen will be killed by balling because of her strange smell if released in the hive right after marking. Jean-Pierre Chapleau eleveur de reines / queen breeder vice-president du Conseil canadien du miel / Vice-president of the Canadian Honey Council 1282, rang 8, Saint-Adrien de Ham, Quebec, Canada, J0A 1C0 tel./phone (819) 828-3396; fax (819) 828-0357 chapleau@praline.net ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:39:36 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul O'Connor Subject: RE-Queening My son began just one more hobby this year that I have inherited. Beekeeping! But at least this time it is one that I find enjoyable. I have two hives and both colonies seen to be doing quite well. In central Pennsylvania we had an extremely dry summer with as much as six weeks between rains. It appears that honey production has suffered quite a bit. Checking the hives I found the brood chamber and upper chamber both at about 80 % capacity. However the shallow supper I had on top was not even visited apparently! Well better luck next year....which leads me to my question. Is it best to re-queen in fall or spring and under what circumstances should it be done at all? I do want to get off on the right foot NEXT year! ------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Paul O'Connor E-mail: poconnor@mailhost.epix.net (Paul O'Connor) 10/01/9522:39:36 ARS N3OYB........................Life's too short for QRP -------------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent by Chameleon ------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:36:11 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: MEMO 1995/10/02 11:38 From: John E III Taylor Subject: Re: purpose of Melilotus White clover is fairly prevalent here in the eastern US; it's often included in lawn seeds for a mixed lawn. We have a lot of it volunteering in our pasture this fall, and the horses like to nibble it...good source of protein for them, and also fixes some nitrogen for the other pasture grasses. The honeybees work it extensively. John E. Taylor III W3ZID | "The opinions expressed are those of the E-Mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:24:49 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dave Priddy Organization: Piedmont Virginia Community College Subject: Hopeless Harvest I recently harvested six supers from my three hives located in central Virginia to find that they were all filled with crystallized honey-not a bit that I could extract. I assume that this is the result of the drought and that the honeydew from the local pines was the only crop tht the bees could forage. My question is this: What do I do with this stuff? I know that traditionally it is fed back to the bees, but they seem to have adequate stores in the hive and would never use the amount that I have on hand. Any suggestions would be welcome. Many thanks- Dave ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:41:24 -24000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Jessup Subject: Finding the Queen I am interested in any shortcuts or efficiencies to the task of locating an unmarked queen for fall or spring requeening, short of laboriously examining each brood chamber panel, hoping I haven't missed her, setting the panel aside and going on to the next. The Florida State University newsletter suggested the following; do you know of any other techniques? - Take a brood panel from an adjoining hive first shaking or brushing it clean of bees from that hive; then make room for and insert it into the hive whose queen you want to replace. Within 5 minutes the queen from that hive will be on the panel you introduced, drawn by the foreign pheremones to do battle with the supposed intruder queen. John Jesssup, West River, MD ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 18:59:04 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gordon Scott Subject: Re: marking queens Comments: To: Jean-Pierre Chapleau In-Reply-To: <199510020138.VAA08871@scuzzy.fmmo.ca> On Sun, 1 Oct 1995, Jean-Pierre Chapleau wrote: > 4- at the same time, bring the finger next to your forefinger (how do you > call the finger next to the forefinger, called "le majeur" in french?) > against the right side of the thorax of the queen; Hi Jean-Pierre, I shall try that method - thanks. In order (in the UK at least): First or forefinger; middle finger; third or ring finger; little finger, or sometime 'little pinky' (too cute huh?). Regards, -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk CompuServe 100332,3310 gordon@multitone.co.uk CompuServe 100070,413 Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:14:25 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Lesweiser@AOL.COM Subject: Bee Sting I'm suffering from a sting that I picked up yesterday while motorcycling. A bee got under my sleeve and gave me a sting. Any remedy suggestions. It itches and hurts and has about a one inch red thing around it!! I hate to go to the doctor. Any suggestions?? Thanks Lesweiser@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 16:58:04 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: bfaber Could you please give me info about ethology lists. Thanks bfaber@lsc.org A copy of something I posted to the Social Insect and Ethology (animal behavior) lists and to Dr Casey at Brandeis University. Do any practising beekeepers have any thoughts and information on this question? To Dr Casey: " This is a long shot but you seem like someone who might be interested in the following. A few years ago Chauvin, the French student of social insects, suggested that bees leave the hive in what he called "cadres". I did some timing of bees leaving a hive to see if they left at random, or in "clumps" of bees leaving together, but without a clear answer (my set-up was rather primitive). Of course, a random pattern of leaving could to the casual observer look like bees leaving in groups, just by chance. More recently I wondered if the timing of bees leaving might not exhibit some sort of chaos behaviour, that is maybe it is "a bit" random and "a bit" ordered? Anyway, does anybody have an opinion or knowledge on the question of the randomness or otherwise of bees' leaving the hive? Perhaps someone might be interested in making some observations. The reason I am responding to you, Dr Casey , is that you seem to be interested in biological systems as complex systems. It has always seemed to me that the "leaving behaviour" of bees over time would repay study from the angle of chaos theory and complex systems research." Dr Julian O'Dea Canberra Australia jodea@mailhost.dpie.gov.au ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 17:31:45 -24000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Jessup Subject: Re: Bee Sting Remedy for bee sting: put honey on and around the sting, cover it with gauze. Honey should be natural not processed, and if possible from the region where stinging bee lived. Do you know how allergic to stings you are? Breathing problems? Maybe you should see a nurse. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 14:50:46 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ludwig Rokus Subject: CIRA test Does anyone know about the CIRA test for the carbon isotope determination of adulteration in honey ? The borderline negative number is -23.5 What is the unit or expression of this number ? Any references to the Journal citation or a accredited laboratory ? Thanks in advance, Ludwig Rokus Valencia,CA 91355 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 20:29:49 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Steve Genta Subject: Re: RE-Queening Hello Paul and welcome to the ranks of beekeepers. I hope you will enjoy working your bees as much as I do. In the beekeeping schools we give, we recommend requeening only every other year. If this is your first year, your queens should be good for another honey season. There are pros and cons to both fall and spring requeening. I have between 15 and 20 hives, and I usually requeen in the fall. The prices are better now (the breeders are trying to get rid of their stock) and it gives you a strong queen to enter the winter with. This past year, our winter was so mild, that my bees were cranking it up in January. You would not be able to get a new queen that early. Seasons are different from one year to the next, so we always hope for a better honey flow than last year. Good luck!! Steve Genta President-Piedmont Beekeepers Association Greenville, SC Pollendoll@AOL.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:42:48 +1259 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David McMillan Subject: Honey Drink I have a beekeeper how is setting up a small shop for tourists and is looking for a recipe for a coll refreshing non-alcoholic drink containing honey. Can any one help Regards David McMillan Apicultural Advisory Officer MAF Quality Management Private Bag 50034 Mosgiel New Zealand McMillan@Invermay.MQM.Govt.NZ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 07:45:14 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jay Jones Subject: Re: CIRA test In-Reply-To: "Your message dated Mon, 02 Oct 1995 14:50:46 -0700" The value you are speaking of refers to a deficit in the amount of carbon 13 relative to a standard. The unit is in per mil or parts per thousand. Your example of -23.5 would mean that the sample is 2.35 percent depleted in C 13 relative to the standard. I am not sure what standard they are using. Probably an NBS standard. Older literature may cite the Pee Dee Belemnite standard. The test should be able to detect alteration due to the addition of Cane sugar which is less depleted in C13 than most nectar sources. Jay Jones jonesj@ulvacs.ulaverne.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:37:11 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: MEMO 1995/10/03 11:37:19 From: Mihaly Ligmond Subject: SCIRA Sorry fopr responding to the whole list but maybe others might be interested. A journal citation for SCIRA testing is JAOAC,Vol 65,No 3, 1982 by Donner and Bills (JAOAC=Journal of the Assn of Official Analytical Chemists) Im not familiar with this testing myself so I cant comment on what the units are. If you have any more specific questions our lab expert here at FDA in Bothell WA is Janet Burke (jburke@fdaem.ssw.dhhs.gov). Mihaly ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:29:32 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Regional Meeting of Washington, Oregon, Idaho Beekeepers Hi: Last year many of you were good enough to send greetings to our Montana beekeepers, so that I could demonstrate this "global" forum. On Saturday morning, October 7, I will be presenting a talk on Beekeeping and Modern Technologies to beekeepers from Idaho, Oregon, and Washington. The meeting is being held Friday and Saturday in Spokane, Washington. I have arranged with the hotel to access an outside line so that I can use my notebook, a Color LCD projection panel, and an overhead computer connected by phone line to the unix box at the University of Montana. As such, I will be able to access this list as well as introduce them to the WWW using Netscape and a slip connect. I will also cover some of the computer models, economic packages, and other tools currently available to computer owners. Last year, the Montana beekeepers were amazed to see messages of greeting from as far away as New Zealand, Italy, Belgium, etc. They were also interested in the subject lines - apitherapy to equipment for sale. So, I invite you to send messages to these beekeepers. We won't be able to read them all during the demonstration, but I can print them out for them. To avoid cluttering the list, please send your messages directly to me at: jjbmail@selway.umt.edu Thanks Jerry Bromenshenk Research Director The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812-1002 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 21:14:14 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Greg Holley Subject: SEPARATING WAX FROM HONEY What is the best way to separate wax from honey? I read in Richard Taylor's book that you should not use a solax wax melter to do this. I crushed some comb honey and then strained it, so I have a big mixture of wax and honey left... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:36:02 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Keith Hooker Organization: Technology Management Ltd Subject: Verma & Rana paper in JnlApicRes 1995 Does anyone have contact email addresses for LR Verma of the International Centre for Integrated Mouniain Development, Kathmandu, Nepal or RS Rana of Dept Biosciences, Himachal Pradesh University, Shimla, India. They published a paper on behavioural studies of A.mellifera and A.cerana foraging on apples this year. Thanks Keith >>> Keith JM Hooker <<< >>> Technology Management Ltd <<< >>> WHITSTABLE Kent CT5 4ED UK <<< ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:31:07 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Keith Hooker Organization: Technology Management Ltd Subject: Hans Dreisig paper published 1995 Does any one have an email address for Hans Dreisig of the University of Copenhagen Denmark. He published a paper on bee foraging earlier this year. Keith >>> Keith JM Hooker <<< >>> Technology Management Ltd <<< >>> WHITSTABLE Kent CT5 4ED UK <<< ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:09:09 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: MEMO 1995/10/04 09:13 From: John E III Taylor Subject: Re: SEPARATING WAX FROM HONEY Subject: SEPARATING WAX FROM HONEY From: SMTP.BEEL2 at ROHMAIL Date: 10/3/95 9:17 PM >What is the best way to separate wax from honey? I read in Richard Taylor's >book that you should not use a solax wax melter to do this. I crushed some >comb honey and then strained it, so I have a big mixture of wax and honey >left... With the caveat that the resulting honey will have been subjected to more heat than one would like, I have had success recovering the honey from cappings (which is a mixture much as you describe) by heating gently in a microwave oven until the wax just melts and forms a separate layer, then allowing it to cool and lifting the wax off the honey. I did this repeatedly with small (half- liter) batches, using relatively brief (one minute or so) microwave heatings until I just reached the wax-melting temperature--creeping up on the temperature avoids overheating. I've recovered several gallons of cappings this way (and learned some patience). An alternative is to extract the honey with a minimal amount of water, and use this honey-water solution to make mead. John E. Taylor III W3ZID | "The opinions expressed are those of the E-Mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 08:15:37 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Marion D. Ellis" Subject: Re: Verma & Rana paper in JnlApicRes 1995 >Does anyone have contact email addresses for LR Verma of the >International Centre for Integrated Mouniain Development, Kathmandu, >Nepal or RS Rana of Dept Biosciences, Himachal Pradesh University, >Shimla, India. IBRA has a world-wide directory of apiculturist on their WWW home page. The URL is http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/ibra/index.html Marion Ellis, mellis@unlinfo.unl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:20:20 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: Tri-State Conference, Oct. 5-7. Ridpath Hotel, Spokane, WA Hi: I have been asked to provide more information about the Spokane beekeeping meeting of the Idaho, Oregon, and Washington Beekeepers. If you wish to attend and haven't received notice of the meeting, they encourage new members. Contact Walt Peterson, 509-926-1188, 6603 S. Conklin, Green Acres, WA 99016. Walt says they need more members and would be delighted to see some new faces. However, he would like you to call him and say you are coming so he can make adjustments in terms of the Banquet reservations. Ok, a quick summary of the agenda. Registration is Thursday evening at 7, followed by a Mead, Wine, and Cheese social. Friday: 7 Breakfast and Registration (wear badge) 8:30 Welcome 8:45 Where is Apiculture Headed - Jim Bach 9:15 What Have We Learned about Varroa Mites - Tom Rinderer 10:15 Refreshments 10:30 Honey Bee Repellants - Dan Mayer 11:15 Genetic Heritage of Honey Bees ...Future for Breeding - Walt Sheppard 12 Lunch 1:15 What is Going on at Carl Hayden Bee Lab - Eric Erickson 2:00 Beekeeping in Thialand - Mike Burgett 2:45 Beekeeping Trends ... From North of the Border - Paul Van Westenberg 3:30 State Business Meetings - Idaho, Washington, Oregon 5 Social Hour 6 Banquet 7 Auction Saturday 7 Breakfast 8 NEEM to Treat Colonies - T.P. Liu 9 What's New with Mites in NW - Mike Burgett 10 Break 10:15 Using State of the Art Technology ... - Jerry Bromenshenk 11:15 The Packers Role and Concerns - Don Griggs 12 Lunch (on your own) 1:15 American Beekeeping Federation Program - Lee Heine 2 National Honey Board Goings On - Carl VanWechel 3 Beekeeping in Egypt - Jim Bach "I shortened titles of talks and dropped all of the Drs, to keep this shorter - JJB" ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:00:34 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Timothy S. Sterrett" Subject: separating crushed, strained wax comb from honey Comments: To: Automatic digest processor In-Reply-To: <199510040426.AAA10013@locke.ccil.org> If the honey and wax are from your own hives, let the bees do the separation. Put the wax and honey into cut-off, plastic, gallon milk jugs and set the milk containers between the inner cover and the outer cover in an empty hive body. Tipping the containers on their sides will help the bees get the honey out of the mess of comb and wax. Tim Sterrett Westtown, Pennsylvania, USA tss@locke.ccil.org ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 14:29:00 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Wendy Lewis Subject: conventions, seminars, workshops, country fairs in the U.K. Hello all, We will be visiting the U.K. for the summer (May, June and July) of 1996 and I'd like to find out what, if any, apiarists' conventions, meetings or seminars might be held during the time I am in England. I am also interested in attending county/country fairs too. We will be based near Guildford, Surrey. I'd appreciate any information you can send my way. Please e-mail me at my address, so we don't clutter up the list. Many thanks. Wendy Lewis lewis_w@sccd.cc.ca.us ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:35:49 -0700 Reply-To: uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Conrad A. Berube" Subject: Foraging cadres Comments: cc: uc779@vifa1.freenet.victoria.bc.ca A couple of folks responded directly to me on the subject above and I eventually received the "definitive" response from Chris Plowright (my comments to him are preceded by "}", his to me by ">") and he graciously gave his permission for me to repost his comments: }...If foragers' comings and goings are random then I would think }that counts made at entrances using bee counters should very }closely resemble the click patterns of Geiger counters measuring }radioactive decay (don't have an intuitive grasp of what that }would be like either but I'd guess that individual clicks }predominate). If bee-counts and Geiger counts do not resemble }each other I would say that the bee activities are not random. >From: plowright@csi.uottawa.ca > > My interest in the comings and goings of bees and wasps was stimulat- >ed by a paper published by R.E. Blackith in the late 1950's. Blackith >claimed that the frequency distributions of sorties and entries conf- >ormed more to negative-binomial than to Poisson expectations (i.e. the >events were "clumped" rather than random). He took this as evidence >that the insects were in some way "facilitating" each other rather than >coming and going as independent agents. > Two papers were published as a result of work done in my lab on this >topic. Here are the references and the abstracts: > > Plowright, R.C. 1979. Social facilitation at the nest entrances of > bumble bees and wasps. Insectes Sociaux, 26: 223-231. > SUMMARY. The evidence presented by Blackith for social facilitation > at the nest entrances of wasps and bumble bees is re-examined. > New data are presented and additional analyses of those used by > Blackith are reported. It is concluded that the phenomenon is a > statistical artifact generated by incorrectly assuming homogene- > ity in a Poisson process that is in fact non-homogeneous due to > changes in overall activity. > > Pallett, M.J., and R.C. Plowright 1979. Traffic through the nest > entrance of a colony of Vespula arenaria (Hymenoptera: Vespidae). > Canadian Entomologist, 111: 385-390. > ABSTRACT. Statistical analysis of traffic data at the nest entrance > of a colony of the yellowjacket, Vespula arenaria (F.), showed no > evidence for the operation of social facilitation of the type > described by Blackith (1957). As in bumble bees, the appearance > of contagion in the temporal distribution of exits and sorties is > the result of overall change in flight activity and is not due to > social interaction between wasps. > >Since the publication of these papers, several students and I have, from >time to time, continued to collect nest-entrance data from bumblebee >colonies. Sad to say, no evidence for social facilitation has come to >light. Nevertheless, our findings have not altogether gone unchallenged >(e.g. Robin Edwards' book on wasps). When one sits, beer in hand, in a >lawn chair watching the bees coming and going through the entrance of a >large Bombus colony, it is hard not to accept that the events are not >occurring in "bursts". But, as you rightly point out, exactly the same >can be said of the distribution of clicks coming from a Geiger counter. > The key point of logic with regard to social facilitation at nest >entrances is developed in the last paragraph of my Insectes Sociaux >paper: > "Statistical arguments aside, if social facilitation were to occur at > the nest entrances of wasps and bumble bees, it should be possible to > detect it by careful observation of the behavioral processes occurring > at and around the nest-entrance. All experienced observers that I > have consulted agree that the majority of foraging wasps return to, > and enter, their nests with a marked lack of hesitation. This leads > to a final and important point. Although subsequent authors have > generally referred only to the results which Blackith obtained for > sorties, . . . his results for entries are in every way similar . . . > We must logically accept that if social facilitation is involved it > operates at some distance from the nest so as to ensure that the > insects arrive in groups when they complete their flight to the nest. > This seems highly unlikely." > > I hope that the foregoing is of use to you. > Regards, Chris Plowright. ****** As I mentioned in one of my postings on the subject I didn't believe that groups leaving were the same as those coming back but that the groupings (if they existed) were probably the result of orientation behavior in combination with behavior threshold interactions. Chris seems to indicate that the sorties and entries do, in fact, mimic atomic decay-- which would indicate that nothing behavioral is actually taking place and the "groupings" are a result of random activity. (Unless, those little subatomic particles are in cahoots and are reaching concensus opinions on when to make a break for it... hmmm... ;-) - Conrad Berube " ` ISLAND CROP MANAGEMENT " ` 1326 Franklin Terrace _- -_`-_|'\ /` Victoria, B.C. _/ / / -' `~()() V8S 1C7 \_\ _ /\-._/\/ (604)480-0223; fax (604)656-8922 / | | email: uc779@freenet.victoria.bc.ca '` ^ ^ ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:14:04 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Subject: MESSAGES TO WESTERN BEEKEEPERS Thanks to those who have already responded, however, the response has been low (less than 8, whereas last year I got 50 in a day. Again, I ask that beekeepers in other parts of the world send a message of greeting to the Idaho, Washington, and Oregon beekeepers. This is the best way I know to convince them of the power of the internet. Send your message to them via my e-mail: jjbmail@selway.umt.edu Again, thanks for your help Jerry Bromenshenk The University of Montana Missoula, MT 59812 P.S. I will be logging in to the system from Spokane on Saturday morning from Spokane, WA ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 02:19:07 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ken Adams Subject: Indiana SBA Fall Meeting 97th Annual Fall Meeting, Indiana State Beekeepers Association The fall meeting will be in Burlington, Indiana on October 14, 1995. It will be at the Burlington Center located at Burlington Park. Registration is $2.00 per individual, $3.00 per family. The Lunch meal is catered and will cost $6.00 per person. 08:00 Registration 09:00 Meeting Starts 09:30 Call to order 09:40 Reports: Treasurer- Steve Welch Secretary- Tracy Hunter State Apiary Inspector- Kathleen Prough 09:50 Introduction of 1996 Indiana Honey Queen Contestants 10:00 1995 Indiana Honey Queen Report by Carrie Beguhn 10:15 Election of Officers 10:30 Gerald Burchett from Eddyville, Kentucky "Young People in Beekeeping" 11:30 Lunch- catered 12:45 Entertainment 13:15 Awards- Beekeeper of the Year Clover Blossom Award Honey Show 13:30 Auction 14:15 Queen Coronation 14:30 Don Stoelting from Louisville, Kentucky "Everything You Need to Know About Pollen" 15:30 Closing Announcements For more information, contact John Adams, V.P., (317) 566-3254 or Jerry Shaw, Pres., (219) 674-9327 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:21:14 CST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Bill Van Roekel Organization: NCRPIS Subject: Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting The Iowa Honey Producers annual meeting will be held on November 10 & 11 at the Starlight Village Motel in Des Moines, Iowa. I will try to post more information later, but if you are interested in attending, (and anyone with an interest in bees is more than welcome to come) e-mail me directly. A very good program of speakers on a variety of subjects is planned. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 18:22:33 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gordon Scott Subject: Re: Honey Drink In-Reply-To: On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, David McMillan wrote: > I have a beekeeper how is setting up a small shop for tourists and is looking > for a recipe for a coll refreshing non-alcoholic drink containing honey. Ordinary home-made lemonade made with honey takes some beating. Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk CompuServe 100332,3310 gordon@multitone.co.uk CompuServe 100070,413 Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 20:46:00 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Fernihough Subject: Re: SEPARATING WAX FROM HONEY I usually put the whole mixture in a large sieve, and let the wax be caught that way. You won't get all the honey, but let it drip for a day or two, covered, and you will get most of it. Put the result through some cheesecloth, that will get the rest out. Bill Fernihough HONEY is sweeter THAN wine. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 08:31:49 +1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Codger Subject: Re: Apiculture of Australian Na >Apiculture of Australian Native Bees >Can anyone provide me with any information or contacts regarding the keeping >of Australian Native Bees (in Australia obviously). I saw a TV show several >years ago about a man who was doing so successfully. Any info e-mailed to me >would be appreciated. >Jan > >Jan,I live in Rockhampton Queensland,and in this area I know of several people who have Australian native bee colonies.As far as Im awarw there two species in this area.One of the guys is also a commercial bee keeper andthe other chap has only native bee colonies.I believe that he does it as a commercial venture. I work at the Central Queensland University,and have about 100 european bee hives and I work at the Uni computor centre,and about the campus there are native colonies . As well when out robbing colonies I have seen another native bee which is rather different from the two species mentioned above. I havent got around to becoming more informed about about these bees but there is not a lot of info that I have been able to access. any how contact has been made,how can I help. Vince B Constable ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 19:39:37 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David E Stephenson Subject: Strange smell in hive. I am a hobbiest beekeeper with two hives and while working with one of my hives I noticed a strange smell in the hive. It has a sour smell like something going bad and is pretty strong. This is a new hive that I just set up this spring. I have been feeding this hive sugar water for about a month to get it set up for winter. I have only been beekeeping for about two years so I dont have a lot of experience but I have never smelled this before. Could this have anything to do with feeding sugar water or could it indicate something else? Any help would be appreciated. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 21:40:56 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dan Z. Johnson" Subject: Re: Strange smell in hive. >I am a hobbiest beekeeper with two hives and while working with one of my >hives I noticed a strange smell in the hive. It has a sour smell... Hey there! I'm a hobbyist beekeeper also, about four years or so into it. That smell can be one of two things: Is it autumn where you are? Is there alot of Goldenrod growing nearby? This really sounds like the aroma of Goldenrod honey. The stuff smells awful, until you realize that your girls are gathering nectar for the winter. Then it smells great! Alternate possibility: Check the brood. If you see cappings scratched off, discolored cappings or a dry scale forming in cells in the brood area, you may have one of the foulbrood diseases. Stick a toothpick into the uncapped cells and try to pull the pupae out. If it is goopy and stringy (and smells bad), you have foulbrood. Medicate NOW! Get a copy of the latest edition of dadent's "The Hive And The Honeybee" (if you do not already have it) and read up on diseases. It's a great book to have. I'm sure, however, this is Goldenrod you smell. Say "Hi!" to the girls from us here in Pennsylvania. -Dan Z. Johnson > > dan z ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 8 Oct 1995 20:48:07 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: BusyKnight Subject: Re: Strange smell in hive. It has a sour smell like >something going bad and is pretty strong. Check for foul brood. You don't say where you are located but if you're in the south or southwest: WELCOME to the wonderful scent of fall broomweed! BusyKnight Dallas, TX ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 00:04:31 -1000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Richard Foote, RBU, SFO, 415-598-5596" Organization: VeriFone Subject: Was there a Bee Battle? Hi, We arre novice bee keepers in Hayward, California, USA. We have one hive of very nice Italian bees with two hive boddies and one super that is rapidly filling during our long, late early autumn (It was 80 degrees F) this weekend! Our question: One day lst week I went out to the hive and found many bees that had been otorn into pieces there was one that only had a thorax, and was bravely walking around on the gournd, another couple with no wings, and some that were landing upside down -- on the ground below the hives there were more bodies -- the hive did not sound particularly upset, and later in the morning things were calmed down again. It looked liked there had been a fight, but with whom? There was one bumblebee body, andd we have seen them attempt to enter the hive at times, but they usually lose without killing the apis. We also have some type of wasp that flies at gras level, smaller than the honeybees, and they eat the dead bees that are dumped off the landing zone. They do not seem to bother the honeybees, and never fly as high as the front of the hive. If anyone has any suggestions, we';d like to hear them -- things have been calm, but we are still uncertain about the mystery of the dead and wounded -- it did look like a battlefield after the battle. There were about 20-25 corpses and wounded bees. I saw them about 0900. Thanks for any assistance. Richard Foote Richard_f1@verifone.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 04:40:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: Calif. Bee Meetings ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- California State Beekeepers Association, Lake Tahoe, Nevada 1995 TENTATIVE 106th CONVENTION PROGRAM ^^^^^^^^^ Mon., Nova. 13 3:00 PM Board of Directors Meeting Tues., Nov. 14 8:00 AM Registration and Commercial Exhibits Open 9:00 AM Opening Ceremonies and Committee Reports 11:00 AM Update on Anti-Dumping Suit Troy Fore 11:30 AM Pollination Survey Results Kevin Roberts 12:00 PM Lunch 1:15 PM Beekeeping: Nevada Style Leonard Joy Nevada Dept. of Agriculture 2:00 PM Apitherapy: From the Master Charles Mraz 2:30 PM Selling Honey as a Gourmet Food Sherry Jennings Specialty National Honey Board 3:15 PM Break 3:35 PM Commercial Honey House Operations Bob Miller 4:15 PM Apistan Update Oscar Coindreau, Zoecon 7:30 PM Social Hour, Cookies and Refreshments Esther Wright American Honey Queen 8:15 PM Evening with Charles Mraz Charles Mraz Wed., Nov. 15 8:00 AM Registration Continues 8:30 AM Current Research ? Dr. Kirk Visscher 9:15 AM Almond Board Bee Research Rick Souza California Almond Board 10:00 AM Break 10:15 AM Honey Sales and Promotion Judy Gulleson Commercial Beekeeper 11:00 AM Bear Facts Revisited Shannon Wooten 11:30 AM Need for Research Panel Joe Traynor Bruce Beekman Gene Brandi 12:00 PM Research Luncheon Dr. Kirk Visscher UC Riverside 2:00 PM Sioux Honey Association Meeting Afternoon Free Thurs., Nov. 16 8:00 AM Registration Continues 8:30 AM Planning for Retirement John Allanson Financial Consultant 9:15 AM Wax Rendering Alan Mikolich David Bradshaw 9:50 AM Break 10:15 AM Staying in Touch Ria deGrassi California Farm Bureau 10:45 AM TBA CDFA Pesticide Regulator 11:30 AM Lunch 1:00 PM Wooten's Year on Film Glenda Wooten 1:30 PM Annual Business Meeting 3:30 PM Auction Wilse Morgan 6:45 PM Social Hour 7:30 PM Annual Banquet and Awards Fri., Nov. 17 7:30 AM Breakfast Board Meeting For more information via internet e-mail to: 95program.csba@beenet.com will return this program and Registration Instructions and Information. Pre registration ends November 6, 1995. OR you can call Kathy Brandi, CSBA Sectary at 209-826-8065, voice/fax. <30> --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ Wild Bee's BBS, a HONEY of a BBS (209) 826-8107 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 09:43:51 MEZ Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "ADO3 Bodenhofer.H." Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? In-Reply-To: <01HW7SI1JS02000AFD@sfov1.verifone.com>; from "Richard Foote, RBU, SFO, 415-598-5596" at Oct 9, 95 12:04 (midnight) Hello Richard !! Check if the killed bees are male bees. If thats the fact, everything is ok. Every autumn the male bees are killed by the female bees because they have done their job for this year. During winter the male bees are just eating the honey saved from the girls. The girls don't like this and for that reason the poor male bees are killed. Harald (Dancing with the bees) P.s.:I hope the emancipation of human beings takes another line than the honeybees does ;-). -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ | Harald Bodenhofer E-mail: bodenh@atc.co.at | | Austria Telecommunication Tel.: 0043/1/60501/2347 | | Triesterstrasse 70 0222/60501/2347 | | 1102 Vienna, Austria | +------------------------------------------------------------+ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 9 Oct 1995 15:49:45 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: RFC822 error: More than one sender was specified. Second and following senders discarded. From: "Samantha Jerrings, President by way of jerrings@atcome.net Samantha Jerrings by way of jerrings@atcome.net Samantha Jerrings" <75022aab22@AOL.COM> Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr. 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I UNDERSTAND THAT I MUST USE A HONEY WITH A LOW MOISTURE BUT I DONT HAVE A REFRACTOMETER. IS THERE A SIMPLE METHOD TO TEST MY HONEY FOR THE MOISTURE CONTENT WITHOUT THIS $275.00 METER? HOW MUCH FRUIT PUREE SHOULD I USE AND SHOULD IT BE DEHYDRATED? PAUL SASSEVILLE MAINE ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 16:41:59 +1259 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert Rice Subject: Bees and Micronutrients Hi Friends, I am doing a literature search on honeybee requirements for micronutrients and the physiological outcomes if these are lacking in the diet of developing larvae. Many area of the world used for meat production lack trace elements in the soil which are added artificially to diets of grazing animals. I am wondering if there is a comparable outcome in honeybees. So, if anyone has useful references or a contact name could you please e-mail these. Thanks, Robert Rice. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 00:44:38 +22299804 Reply-To: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adam Finkelstein Subject: Please don't respond to the "magazine ad" Comments: To: bee-l@uacs.c2.albany.edu The magazine ad is Spam. If you look at the header, it is hard to tell where the mail originated. Please don't respond to the ad. Adam -- ________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Adaptive significance-- what's that? ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:10:00 BST-1 Reply-To: rbunce@cix.compulink.co.uk Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard Bunce Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? In-Reply-To: <01HW7SI1JS02000AFD@sfov1.verifone.com> Richard, I've seen wasps attacking individual bees outside the hive, and I have watched a wasp biting the abdomen off a worker bee and flying away with it, leaving the bee still able to walk about. I've never seen the battle-field conditions you describe, but if a lot of wasps attacked over a short period, I imagine that's how it might look. Regards, Richard Bunce (Rbunce@cix.compulink.co.uk) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:58:10 GMT+0100 Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: ANTHONY MORGAN Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? > Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? > Hello Richard !! > > Check if the killed bees are male bees. If thats the fact, everything is > ok. Every autumn the male bees are killed by the female bees because > they have done their job for this year. During winter the male bees > are just eating the honey saved from the girls. The girls don't like > this and for that reason the poor male bees are killed. > > Harald Bodenhofer Hei! Harald is pointing here at what we in Norway refer to as "Drone Slaughter" which as he rightly says occurs every autumn, often unoticed by the beekeeper either because the drone numbers are already low or because the hives have been moved, as mine usually are, to a remote site to take advantage of a late flow (heather in my case). The same "slaughter" can take place earlier in the year if there is a dramatic chnage in flow/weather conditions whilst the queen is in full swing and there is a lot of brood to feed -- the bees then eject all adult drones and empty the brood chamber of all drone brood so that worker brood has the best survival chance in the changed conditions (although I've never seen it, it is said that they will continue the process in extreme cases and begin to throw out worker brood as well) Drone sluaghter can be VERY dramatic as it can all be accomplished in the course of a few hours and the beekeeper can come home from work, give his hives the normal quick once over and find that one or more has heaps of dead and dying bees mixed with brood on the ground below the flight board front edge! The first time I saw this it was a shock! One's immediate thoughts are poisoning with insecticide or an attack of some virulent disease -- after the initial panic is over the fact that they are all drones finally sinks in and one breaths a sigh of relief! I was able to watch some of the process this year and was somewhat puzzled. Every few minutes 2/3 three workers hustled a drone out of the hive entrance and then one of these chivvied the drone to the edge of the flight board where it fell off and feebly crawled around in the grass for a few minutes before apparently expiring. The worker seemed to grapple with the drone and appeared to be trying to "bite" it on the thorax, meanwhile the drone was acting drunk/drugged/half dead and offered little or no resistance. There was no sign incidentally of dismembering or pulling apart of any of the ejected drones. How is it done... How can a worker force a much bigger drone to move in this way? Why were the drones acting as if they were already half dead? The bee race here is Apis Mellifera Carnica if that has a bearing on the details of the behaviour pattern. Answers and opinions would be welcome. Cheers Tony. --------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony N. Morgan (Tony) Fax: +47 73 89 62 86 "Stavshagen" E-mail: anthony@iet.hist.no Midtsandan Sor-Trondelag College 7563 MALVIK Elec. Eng. Department Norway 7005 TRONDHEIM, Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:32:49 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Hexagonal Jars Revisited In BEE-L LOG9503 and BEE-L LOG9508 I am able to find the request for sources for hexagonal jars, but nowhere am I able to find the answers. The question: Does anyone have a source for suppliers offering glass hexagonal jars, preferably 3 lb sizes or larger? Thanks in advance! Aaron Morris ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:59:44 GMT Reply-To: WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Walton Subject: Re: Hexagonal Jars Revisited In message <951010.083556.EDT.SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu> BEE-L@cnsibm.albany.edu writes: > In BEE-L LOG9503 and BEE-L LOG9508 I am able to find the request for > sources for hexagonal jars, but nowhere am I able to find the answers. > > The question: Does anyone have a source for suppliers offering glass > hexagonal jars, preferably 3 lb sizes or larger? > > Thanks in advance! > Aaron Morris > > I know of two suppliers here in the UK. They are : E.H. Thorne (Beehives) Ltd Steele & Brodie (1983) Ltd. Beehive Works Chilbolton Down Farm Wragby Stockbridge Lincoln Hampshire LN3 5LA SO20 6BU Tel. +44 (0)1673 858555 +44 (0)1264 810916 Fax. +44 (0)1673 857004 +44 (0)1264 810916 Thorne offer a 6oz size. Their prices vary slightly according to the quantity and they charge by weight for packing and postage. For 50 - 6.79 (excl VAT), 7.98 (incl VAT) For 500 - 63.00 (excl VAT), 74.02 (incl VAT) For 1000 - 116.90 (excl VAT), 137.36 (incl VAT) Steele & Brodie offer an 8oz size at 20.10 per 1/2 gross (their catalogue code is M64700) and they also charge extra for postage and packing according to the weight. I'm sorry that I know of no supplier who sells hexagonal glass jars as large as those you are looking for. -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk 100524.3203@Compuserve.com ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:04:52 CDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Lillian Novela Subject: mead and other info My husband and I acquired a bee hive this year and are enjoying them tremedously, since they are an extremely easy-going colony (much friendlier than the ones my parents had when I was a kid, which would follow us to the ends of the earth after taking their honey.) I was wondering the following: 1. Is a good temperament colony more in danger from intruders, than fiercer bees? After watching them dump the drones out, I have seen alot of wasps carrying these dead or dying drones off, presumably to their nests. This occurred after the first real cold spell. Now I have seen some wasps hanging around with what appears to be robbing behavior. They are yellow colored wasps that look rather similar to bees. 2. Does anyone have a good receipe for mead? I tried some very tasty mead several years ago, but have lost track of the person that used to make the stuff. It seems like a good by-product of keeping bees. 3. We now live in the far west suburbs of Chicago and would like to know if anyone has info on which is the local beekeepers club in this vicinity. Any and all info would be much appreciated. Thanks, Lillian Novela-Gilsdorf ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:35:11 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Doug Yanega Subject: Re: Please don't respond to the "magazine ad" >The magazine ad is Spam. If you look at the header, it is hard to tell >where the mail originated. Please don't respond to the ad. >Adam Notice also that the e-mail addresses listed are false, so it is almost impossible to complain to the person responsible or their service provider. Complaints to BEE-L will also serve no purpose; there are folks at work trying to track this person down, as this is one of DOZENS of listservs that have been targeted by this spam. If you're dying for details, keep your eyes peeled on the Internet newsgroup "news.admin.net-abude.misc" for updates. Doug Yanega Illinois Natural History Survey, 607 E. Peabody Dr. Champaign, IL 61820 USA phone (217) 244-6817, fax (217) 333-4949 affiliate, Univ. of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, Dept. of Entomology "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 14:07:40 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Marc Party Subject: Spam and 4 super overwintering colony. What is Spam? I thought it was bad tasting tinned ham. Someone recently claimed that after having kept one colony for one year, they considered themselves experienced. Wow. I'm impressed. With between 2 and 5 colonies over the past five years, I still feel like I know so little. I united two weaker colonies several weaks ago (it is getting into late fall here). now, I have four supers with honey stores all over the place. Can I just wrap 'em up in tar paper and hope for the best (it gets down to 30 or 40 below here) or should I open them up, and fiddle around with them to try to reduce the colony down to 2 supers? Should I also plop down a few scoops full of cristallized honey from last year into an empty super above the others?? Looking forwar to some inspiring suggestions. Marc Patry Near Ottawa, Ontario. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 13:41:08 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Doug Yanega Subject: Re: Spam and 4 super overwintering colony. >What is Spam? I thought it was bad tasting tinned ham. SPAM is also known as EMP, or "excessive multiple posting" - when someone mass-mails all 30 million people on the Internet, for instance. Like automated telemarketing, only worse. Within ten years the Internet will collapse due to the volume of commercial Spam, at its present rate of increase. A lot of smaller Internet nodes *already* collapse on a regular basis when mass-spams are initiated. Eventually it will be the entire Net. Doug Yanega Illinois Natural History Survey, 607 E. Peabody Dr. Champaign, IL 61820 USA phone (217) 244-6817, fax (217) 333-4949 affiliate, Univ. of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, Dept. of Entomology "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:42:10 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "David E. Pritchard" <102361.222@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Internet virus advisory Please be aware of the following. It should interest us all ! dp ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Location: Cost Engineering Subject: Warning: Internet Computer Virus 'Good Times' ----------------------------------------------------------------- Experience: The following message has been circulated on the Internet. It appears to warn of a very serious virus. The FCC released a warning last Wednesday concerning a matter of major importance to any regular user of the InterNet. Apparently, a new computer virus has been engineered by a user of America Online that is unparalleled in its destructive capability. Other, more well-known viruses such as Stoned, Airwolf, and Michaelangelo pale in comparison to the prospects of this newest creation by a warped mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be infected. It can be spread through the existing e-mail systems of the InterNet. Once a computer is infected, one of several things can happen. If the computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be destroyed. If the program is not stopped, the computer's processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite binary loop -which can severely damage the processor if left running that way too long. Unfortunately, most novice computer users will not realize what is happening until it is far too late. Luckily, there is one sure means of detecting what is now known as the "Good Times" virus. It always travels to new computers the same way in a text e-mail message with the subject line reading simply "Good Times". Avoiding infection is easy once the file has been received - not reading it. The act of loading the file into the mail server's ASCII buffer causes the "Good Times" mainline program to initialize and execute. The program is highly intelligent - it will send copies of itself to everyone whose e-mail address is contained in a received-mail file or a sent- mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it is running on. The bottom line here is - if you receive a file with the subject line "Good Times", delete it immediately! Do not read it! Rest assured that whoever's name was on the "From:" line was surely struck by the virus. Warn your friends and local system users of this newest threat to the InterNet! It could save them a lot of time and money. ----------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 22:48:33 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Liz Day Subject: Re: Spam and 4 super overwintering colony. >What is Spam? I thought it was bad tasting tinned ham. I have been told that 'spamming' got its name from the Monty Python song 'Spam', in which the lyrics mention the Spam product over and over. Hence the association with mass-posting on the Net. Liz Day LDAY@indy.net Indianapolis, Indiana, central USA ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:03:36 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Liz Day Subject: Re: Internet virus advisory I dunno. I've been told several times that the 'Good Times' virus is an urban myth. Liz Day LDAY@indy.net Indianapolis, Indiana, central USA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:23:12 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Daniel J. Salemson" Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? I once saw a video about skunks munching on bees at night. Apparently, the skunks will knock on the hive until bees fly out, then gulp down our little ladies. One of the tell-tale signs of the skunks' activities, as I recall, is the presence of large numbers of mutilated bees around the hive. Anyone have direct experience with skunks feasting on their hives? Dan Salemson Chapel Hill, North Carolina \\\/// ( oo ) ========================================================oOO==(__)==OOo== |Daniel J. Salemson (919) 932-3267 voice/fax | |69 Fernwood Lane | |Chapel Hill, NC 27516 | ========================================================oOOo======oOOo== ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:51:45 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dave D. Cawley" Subject: Re: Internet virus advisory > From: "David E. Pritchard" <102361.222@COMPUSERVE.COM> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Location: Cost Engineering > Subject: Warning: Internet Computer Virus 'Good Times' > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Experience: > The following message has been circulated on the Internet. It > appears to warn of a very serious virus. Reality: Urban legend started on AOL almost two years ago. Please explain how a text file can cause that much damage and would changing the subject heading to, say, "Free Bee Suplies" stop it from executing? 8-} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | The information on the Internet is only University Of Scranton | interesting to people who are interested Scranton, Pennsylvania | in it. dave@scranton.com | -Scranton Tomorrow Spokeswoman ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | refusing invitation to Internet Cafe's opening ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 01:01:54 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dave D. Cawley" Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? > From: "Daniel J. Salemson" > ladies. One of the tell-tale signs of the skunks' activities, as I recall, > is the presence of large numbers of mutilated bees around the hive. Anyone > have direct experience with skunks feasting on their hives? Scratch marks on the front and in front of the hive are good signs as well. They knock and whoever comes to answer the door gets eaten...kinda like Landshark...8-} *knock knock* "Candygram" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | The information on the Internet is only University Of Scranton | interesting to people who are interested Scranton, Pennsylvania | in it. dave@scranton.com | -Scranton Tomorrow Spokeswoman ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | refusing invitation to Internet Cafe's opening ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 02:33:09 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Richard Spear Subject: Re: Internet virus advisory Comments: To: Liz Day On 10 Oct 95 at 23:03, Liz Day wrote: > I dunno. I've been told several times that the 'Good Times' > virus is an urban myth. Yes, Liz etal - this was declared a hoax several months ago. Guess we will now see another round of discussion concerning it on the Net. Richard ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 07:46:23 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Aaron Morris Subject: Hex Jars, still lookin'! Thanks to Paul Walton for the distributor of hex jars across the Atlantic! I should have been more specific in my query. I'm still looking for a supplier of hexagonal jars in the States. If anyone knows where I can find a supplier (East coast is preferable) I'd be happy to hear. I can't find the answer to this question in the BEE-L logs, but the question was asked in March and August '95. Perhaps the question was answered on sci.agriculture.beekeeping? Does that forum have archives? Was it perhaps Brushy Bee mentioned as a supplier? TIA! Aaron Morris - thinking there must be hex jars out there somewhere! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 13:21:28 +0200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "S. Gielesen" Organization: Erasmus Universiteit Rotterdam Subject: Beekeeping in Ireland Hello, I'm a dutch beekeeper who is planning to move to Ireland, Co. Clare. I want to set up a apiary there but I don't have much information about possibilities. I am interested in any information: addresses, books, articles ... etc. Sanne Gielesen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:01:09 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: MEMO 1995/10/11 09:06 From: John E III Taylor Subject: Re[2]: Internet virus advisory _______________________________________________________________________________ Subject: Re: Internet virus advisory From: SMTP.BEEL2 at ROHMAIL Date: 10/11/95 12:53 AM > I dunno. I've been told several times that the 'Good Times' > virus is an urban myth. > Liz Day Actually it's a very effective virus...it generates posting after posting of this sort that clutters the Internet dreadfully. But it does NOT affect your computer, just the Net. John E. Taylor III W3ZID | "The opinions expressed are those of the E-Mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 09:13:01 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "James E. Hoyt" Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? In-Reply-To: One of the early bits of information my mentor imparted was that skunks eat bees, and the way to discourage them was to raise hives such that the skunk's belly was exposed to attack by bees. As a result I've always placed my hives on old shipping pallets...never had any skunk porblems, though other folk I know have, and the bottom boards don't suffer from moisture either. Jim On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Daniel J. Salemson wrote: > I once saw a video about skunks munching on bees at night. Apparently, the > skunks will knock on the hive until bees fly out, then gulp down our little > ladies. One of the tell-tale signs of the skunks' activities, as I recall, > is the presence of large numbers of mutilated bees around the hive. Anyone > have direct experience with skunks feasting on their hives? > > Dan Salemson > Chapel Hill, North Carolina > > > \\\/// > ( oo ) > ========================================================oOO==(__)==OOo== > |Daniel J. Salemson (919) 932-3267 voice/fax | > |69 Fernwood Lane | > |Chapel Hill, NC 27516 | > ========================================================oOOo======oOOo== > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:34:37 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Day Subject: Re: Hexagonal Jars Revisited hexagonal jars are advertised in bee culture, among other newspapers. john ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:12:40 GMT+0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "MORGAN, ANTHONY" Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? Hei! James E. Hoyt wrote: > One of the early bits of information my mentor imparted was that skunks > eat bees ........ Daniel J. Salemson wrote: > > I once saw a video about skunks munching on bees at night...... I asked an additional question about the drone slaughter behaviour of worker bees, which fortunately has nothing to do with skunks (we dont have them here in Norway!). Sounds like beekeeping in USA is fraught with all sorts of perils! And Liz Day wrote: > I don't keep bees, but just a guess - maybe the drones hadn't >had anything to eat in a while, maybe they were already half-starved in answer to How is it done... How can a worker force a much bigger drone to move in this way? Why were the drones acting as if they were already half dead? Well, maybe they were half-starved, if so, how on earth were they prevented from feeding long enough to get in that state? Any more ideas? Cheers Tony --------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony N. Morgan (Tony) Fax: +47 73 89 62 86 "Stavshagen" E-mail: anthony@iet.hist.no Midtsandan Sor-Trondelag College 7563 MALVIK Elec. Eng. Department Norway 7005 TRONDHEIM, Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 08:31:00 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Wendy Lewis Subject: Re: Internet virus advisory Dear Bee List: Last year we were advised, at our community college, that this destructive Good Times virus was lurking about, ready to pounce on our hard drives and destroy everything. It turned out to be a hoax, but, just in case THIS one isn't, I have a message in to our computer management center to check out the dreaded Good Times virus message. I'll keep you posted. Wendy Lewis Saddleback College Mission Viejo CA lewis_w@sccd.cc.ca.us ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:26:41 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eric Abell Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? In-Reply-To: On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, Daniel J. Salemson wrote: > I once saw a video about skunks munching on bees at night. Apparently, the > skunks will knock on the hive until bees fly out, then gulp down our little > ladies. One of the tell-tale signs of the skunks' activities, as I recall, > is the presence of large numbers of mutilated bees around the hive. Anyone > have direct experience with skunks feasting on their hives? > > Dan Salemson > Chapel Hill, North Carolina > Skunks are a regular and expensive problem in my area. They scratch at the entrance and often remove an entrance reducer in the process. When the bees come out they are eaten. When the hives are wrapped with insulation and polythene the skunks can damage or even completely destroy these wrapes. Not nice :( However, I have never seen bunches of mutilated bees around the hive. Eric Abell email: eabell@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Gibbons, AB, T0A 1N0 Canada (403) 998 3143 > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 12:29:50 -0600 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eric Abell Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? In-Reply-To: On Wed, 11 Oct 1995, James E. Hoyt wrote: > One of the early bits of information my mentor imparted was that skunks > eat bees, and the way to discourage them was to raise hives such that the > skunk's belly was exposed to attack by bees. As a result I've always > placed my hives on old shipping pallets...never had any skunk porblems, > though other folk I know have, and the bottom boards don't suffer from > moisture either. My pallets are all elevated above a 2x4 on edge and so the skunks underside would be exposed. Even so, the damage they do is severe. Eric Abell email: eabell@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Gibbons, AB, T0A 1N0 Canada (403) 998 3143 > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 14:54:14 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: MEMO 1995/10/11 14:57 From: John E III Taylor Subject: Re[2]: Was there a Bee Battle? Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? From: SMTP.BEEL2 at ROHMAIL Date: 10/11/95 2:34 PM > My pallets are all elevated above a 2x4 on edge and so the skunks > underside would be exposed. Even so, the damage they do is severe. I had heard that higher was better, so the skunk has to actually stretch, and really expose his belly. Something like a concrete block set on end, or a similar height. I haven't tried it myself, as I haven't had a problem with the local skunk yet...leaves a bit of odor in the yard, but no damage to the hives. John E. Taylor III W3ZID | "The opinions expressed are those of the E-Mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 15:49:00 CST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Matt Ter Molen Subject: Re: Hex Jars, still lookin'! Yes. Check with Brushy Mountain Bee Supply in North Carolina. They have a complete supply of hex jars at good prices. Matt Ter Molen ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:10:38 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Frederick L. Hollen" Subject: Re: Was there a Bee Battle? In-Reply-To: ; from "MORGAN, ANTHONY" at Oct 11, 95 4:12 pm Don't the drones depend on the workers to feed them? Fred According to MORGAN, ANTHONY: > > Hei! > > James E. Hoyt wrote: > > One of the early bits of information my mentor imparted was that skunks > > eat bees ........ > > Daniel J. Salemson wrote: > > > I once saw a video about skunks munching on bees at night...... > > I asked an additional question > about the drone slaughter behaviour of worker bees, which > fortunately has nothing to do with skunks (we dont have them here in > Norway!). Sounds like beekeeping in USA is fraught with all sorts of perils! > > And Liz Day wrote: > > I don't keep bees, but just a guess - maybe the drones hadn't > >had anything to eat in a while, maybe they were already half-starved > > in answer to > How is it done... > How can a worker force a much bigger drone to move > in this way? > Why were the drones acting as if they were already half > dead? > > Well, maybe they were half-starved, if so, how on earth were they > prevented from feeding long enough to get in that state? Any more > ideas? > > Cheers Tony > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Anthony N. Morgan (Tony) Fax: +47 73 89 62 86 > "Stavshagen" E-mail: anthony@iet.hist.no > Midtsandan Sor-Trondelag College > 7563 MALVIK Elec. Eng. Department > Norway 7005 TRONDHEIM, Norway > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 19:13:39 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Liz Day Subject: skunks can anyone explain to me how it is that skunks etc can eat bees or rob nests without suffering such damage to their eyes and noses from the stings that it isn't worth it? I should think a blind, noseless skunk would be incapacitated. I have been hearing for years about bears skunks, and some birds eating bees, and still don't understand what happens. If a bear or a skunk can survive being stung, why dont't other animals attack hives too??? What is so special about a skunk? Any info, thank you!! Liz Day LDAY@indy.net Indianapolis, Indiana, central USA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 21:04:04 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gerard Worrell Subject: (fwd) Honeybees as the next Crop Dusters? (fwd) Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper with 25 colonies (410)257-3267 Dunkirk,MD USA Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers Life Member of Maryland State Beekeepers Assoc., VP for Calvert Co. This is something I posted to the newsgroup for those not getting sci.agriculture.beekeeping I'm interested in any comments on the subject. Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper with 25 colonies (410)257-3267 Dunkirk,MD USA Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers Life member MD State Beekeepers Association,VP for Calvert Co. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 12:57:08 -0400 From: Gerard Worrell To: worrell@cbl.cees.edu Newgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (fwd) Honeybees as the next Crop Dusters? I'd like to share an article from the DELMARVA Farmer (Easton MD) Newspaper of 9/5/95 and initiate some discussion on the impacts of the concept. This is the text intact: Mother Nature's 'Courier Service' Farmers are called upon all too often to defend themselves against allegations that modern agricultural practices violate the environment and that they're doing little if anything to clean up their act. By way of countering taht ignorance, we offer this. Crimson clover is an important host plant for the first generation of corn earworms which later attack corn, soybeans, cotton and other crops. There is a friendly virus (there are "good" viruses, too) which attacks the corn earworm larvae. Ag Scientists are getting the virus into the crimson clover fields by using honeybees as "couriers". They have patented a device that fits on the bottom of a standard beehive and "dusts" the honeybees with a virus- talc powder as they exit. As the bees buzz from flower to flower in the clover fields, the nuclear polyhedrosis and powder rub off their feet and legs and onto the blossoms. The ag researchers report that they have recorded corn earworm larvae kills of 74 to 87% in clover fields where the bees carried the virus. In control plots, the kill ranged from only 11 to 14 %. This is, simply one of literally hundreds of ways in which the ag industry continues to demonstrate that it is a vigilant and trusted friend of Mother Earth. [end of article] Discussion: 1. We have had a hell of a time getting something approved to help us keep our bees alive from the mites. Now someone comes along with a pesticide to deliberately contaminate our bees. What will that do to our efforts to sell a pure product? 2. The dust is on the outgoing bees.But had anyone tested the nectar and pollen coming in on returning forages to determine if we have contaminated our crop? 3. Apistan and menthol are used when there is no nectar flow so we don't contaminate the honey. This looks like it will be during the nectar flow. (Why would the bees visit without the nectar there!) You can be assured that we will be in a bind on pesticide free honey. I have already been asked at our farmers market if I use pesticide strips in my hives. The public does not care if we are taking the precautions on the label. The only interest is do we use them at all! Your thoughts and comments are welcome!! ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 20:09:56 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: BusyKnight Subject: Re: skunks >can anyone explain to me how it is that skunks etc can eat bees or >rob nests without suffering such damage to their eyes and noses >Liz Day Far be it for to contradict eye witnesses and video taped shows but I can only report what I have experienced: I have skunks, bobcats and coyotes in my immediate area and I've seen them on my property but none have ever attacked by bee hives. Now I'm not saying that Texas skunks are dumb; so maybee I'm just lucky! BusyKnight Just north of Dallas ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:13:52 +1300 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: DAVID NICOL Organization: Lincoln University Subject: molecular biology of bees Is there anyone out there researching the molecular biology/ecology of bees (eg RAPD's and molecular ecology)? Hoping for contact, Dave Dr David Nicol, Dept of Entomology & Animal Ecology, PO Box 84, Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand. Phone - 03 325 2811 x8383 or x 8164 Fax- 03 325 3844 Email - nicold@tui.lincoln.ac.nz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:29:16 PDT Reply-To: m12345@cybernet.co.nz Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: RFC822 error: TO field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. Comments: RFC822 error: TO field duplicated. Last occurrence was retained. From: Mark Horsnell Subject: blowflies Comments: To: Owen Watson hi fellow kiwi beekeepers, isn't this weather (akl) bloody awful for the bees! too much wind & rain. the numbers in my hive have increased a lot, and there's heaps more larvae coming on stream... but it looks like i've been saved the hassle of feeding. they're starting to fill up the comb with nectar, and draw out the two new frames i put in the upper brood chamber. thanx for all your help on that one guys. hopefully i'll start supering up in a couple of weeks. meanwhile, i've noticed there are always blowflies (4 - 6) hanging around the hive entrance. is this healthy? r they good garbage disposers or can they potentially do damage? i'd hate to think they were laying eggs in the brood cells!?!? any ideas on this one...? ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:45:16 +1259 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Cliff Van Eaton Subject: skunks -Reply At the risk of turning this into a session on "Bee Eaters I Have Known", there are certainly other critters who enjoy sitting in front of a hive and eating bees. The hedgehog, which long ago was brought to New Zealand from England, is a notorious eater of bees. No doubt the spines of the hedgehog help to protect it from the unwelcome attentions of guard bees, but there are plenty of reports of hedgehogs being found dead in fronts of hives with their exposed parts full of stings. The other classic bee eater is the cane toad, which doesn't even wait until nightfall to dine out in front of hives. The cane toad can handle dead bees, live bees, bees on the wing, and bees on the landing board, all with equal ease. I personally have never seen a cane toad stung to death by bees (we thankfully don't have cane toads in NZ), but on several occasions in the South Pacific I have come across cane toads which have eaten so many bees that they literally can no longer hop away. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 01:30:17 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: MZYKOV@AOL.COM Subject: invitation Comments: cc: aquarium@emuvml.cc.emory.edu Dear Friends, Texas Department of the International Informatization Acade- my jointly with the World Family International Association and the Leo Tolstoj's Church (The Spiritual Unity of the Uni - ted States of America and Russia) invite You to take part in the project "Road of Survival and Freedom" (501 (c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code organization) aimed to develop friendly relationships and multiple cooperations between two countries and peoples. 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Beehive Works Chilbolton Down Farm Wragby Stockbridge Lincoln Hampshire LN3 5LA SO20 6BU Tel. +44 (0)1673 858555 +44 (0)1264 810916 Fax. +44 (0)1673 857004 +44 (0)1264 810916 Again, thanks to all who responded! Aaron Morris - thinking BEE-L and the Internet are wonderful tools! ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:43:26 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mike Killoran Subject: Dwindling population.... what's going on? In-Reply-To: <9510120403.AA15522@ll.mit.edu> Hi, I'm a hobbiest with two hives. Here in Massachusetts the flow is over and I've been feeding a 2:1 syrup to both hives for about a month. One hive has been taking the syrup quickly, has a large population, and has good reserves for the winter (I use two full size hive bodies and they have one full and capped). The other hive is my problem. A few weeks back I went through it and found a few swarm cells (at the bottom of the frames). This seemed odd to me as I found the queen (she's marked and new this spring), so I destroyed the queen cells. I think the bees may have known something that I didn't as the population now is much reduced (bees could cover about three frames, both sides). More info about this hive: I put on Apistan three weeks back when I removed the surplus. There are now some dead Varroa on the bottom board, but not excessive amounts. There is hardly any brood. A hand full of larvae and capped cells. The bees congregate on ~3 frames. On the other frames where brood was produced in the past, there are scattered capped cells, some with perforations, some with a head of a bee just emerging (but dead). When I open a capped cell in this area, I find a nearly completely formed dead bee. These don't seem to have the 'ropy' aspect I've read AFB has. After seeing this, I mixed up some Terramycin/Sugar and dusted the top of the frames of both hives. I did this more as a prevention measure than thinking that it would cure this hive. My best guess now (and I do mean guess) is that the queen has failed for some reason and decided not to lay eggs. She's there, and as she's marked, I know she is the one I introduced this Spring. If this is the case, I'm afraid it's too late in the season to introduce another queen... any other ideas? Thanks, Mike Killoran --------------- killoran@ll.mit.edu Embrace Entropy (617) 981-2667 (Lexington, MA USA) --------------- ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 10:09:14 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Marc Party Subject: Re: Dwindling population.... what's going on? >I know she is the one I introduced this Spring. If this is the case, I'm >afraid it's too late in the season to introduce another queen... any other >ideas? > > Thanks, > >Mike Killoran --------------- >killoran@ll.mit.edu Embrace Entropy >(617) 981-2667 (Lexington, MA USA) --------------- > Mike, sounds like you should take your own advice and embrace entropy - do nothing and let disorder follow its course. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:13:17 CST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vladimir Ptacek Subject: Re: Dwindling population.... what's going on? > >Mike Killoran --------------- >killoran@ll.mit.edu Embrace Entropy >(617) 981-2667 (Lexington, MA USA) --------------- Der Mike, since there exists a danger, that the colony is infected by some brood disease which might become a serious problem again next year and since the colony is only one and is not strong enough to overwinter I would suggest to kill it, burn the frames which came into contact with the colony, desinfect the hive parts with flame and in next season to reise another colony on foundations either from a package or a divide. Its sad but there is no pleasure nor use in keeping sik colonies. Vladimir Ptacek ptacek@sci.muni.cz Fac. Sci., Masaryk Univ. 611 37 Brno, Czech Republ. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 15:34:58 CST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vladimir Ptacek Subject: Re: Indoor Mating of Queens On Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:23:05 +1000, Kieren Sunderland wrote: >Has anyone attempted to use, or heard of any success with mating queens in >an enclosed area to achieve large scale controlled matings. > >Regards > >Kieren Sunderland >Dubbo >New South Wales >kierlin@mail.enternet.com.au >Kieren Sunderland >Dubbo >New South Wales >kierlin@mail.enternet.com.au Friends, Maybe it will be interresting for you that Johan Gregorius Mendel did this experiments in the garden of the monastry in Brno. He was not successfull as others later were not, too. Best regards, Vladimir Ptacek ptacek@sci.muni.cz Fac. Sci., Masaryk Univ. 611 37 Brno, Czech Republ. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:59:25 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: BusyKnight Subject: Re: Dwindling population.... what's going on? > I put on Apistan three weeks back Pretty late in the season to put on Apistan; next year try earlier. My guess is that the Varroa got ahead of you. > some with a head of a bee just emerging (but dead). When > I open a capped cell in this area, I find a nearly completely formed dead > bee. A possiblity: If you've had a spell of cold weather up there in yankee land, its possible that your hand full of bees was inadaquate to keep the brood nest warm, resulting in chill brood areas. (With the assumption that Varroa was in fact the cause of the population dwindling). My guess is that your queen is OK and the bees were trying to supersede due to the stress caused by Varroa. If your other hive is as strong as you say, then I would pull some frames of eggs and try to strengthen the weak colony (equalize the two). If they attempt another supersedure, let them. After all, the new queen would be a product of the stronger colony. If you try this, you may well have to continue feeding them for some time. Good Luck! BusyKnight Dallas ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:43:27 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "William J. Morrison" Subject: Re: skunks A beekeeper that I knew in suburban New Jersey told me that he went out one night with his flashlight to check on the bees. He saw a skunk and an opossum at the entrance of a beehive, one on either side, eating bees. Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 11:11:54 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Doug Yanega Subject: Re: molecular biology of bees >Is there anyone out there researching the molecular biology/ecology >of bees (eg RAPD's and molecular ecology)? >Hoping for contact, Dave Right at the moment, two folks working on molecular phylogeny of sweat bees (and, I think, some plans for Apis work) are Bryan Danforth and Mike Engel at Cornell (bnd1@cornell.edu and me18@cornell.edu). I think Lawrence Packer at York University in Canada is working mostly with allozymes, also on sweat bees, and I think the folks in Mike Schwarz' lab over there at Flinders are doing molecular work with Allodapines. I'm not sure if Deb Smith at the University of Kansas has any bee projects going on at the moment, but it's a good possibility, also. Hope this helps, Doug Yanega Illinois Natural History Survey, 607 E. Peabody Dr. Champaign, IL 61820 USA phone (217) 244-6817, fax (217) 333-4949 affiliate, Univ. of Illinois Urbana-Champaign, Dept. of Entomology "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:20:00 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Subject: Re: Indoor Mating of Queens Regarding the question and answer below: At the 1991 American Bee Research Conference, Royce, Rosignol and Stringer described a small dome-top chamber that provided indirect light within its upper half. Drones would hover in the chamber, and if a tethered queen was introduced, copulation could result. Perhaps further progress has been made since then. Try contacting Lynn Royce at the Dept of Entomology, Oregon State U. Corvallis , Oregon 97331 Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA On Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:23:05 +1000, Kieren Sunderland wrote: >Has anyone attempted to use, or heard of any success with mating queens in >an enclosed area to achieve large scale controlled matings. > >Regards > >Kieren Sunderland >Dubbo >New South Wales >kierlin@mail.enternet.com.au >Kieren Sunderland >Dubbo >New South Wales >kierlin@mail.enternet.com.au Friends, Maybe it will be interresting for you that Johan Gregorius Mendel did this experiments in the garden of the monastry in Brno. He was not successfull as others later were not, too. Best regards, Vladimir Ptacek ptacek@sci.muni.cz ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 09:42:00 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Subject: Re: honeybees to disperse insect virus Gerard Worrell kindly forwarded the note about bees being used to disperse nuclear polyhedrosis virus of corn earworm, but was concerned about the public relations problem of honey from such "pesticide contaminated" bees and hives. I'd consider wisely-aimed insect viruses as a pest management tool that could reduce "traditional" pesticide use, and the bee kill and other problems they may cause. I don't know if any of the virus (or talc carrier) ends up in honey.. I'd guess extremely little or none, but even if it were detectable, I think exposure through such honey to these viruses would have no significance to non-insects. The bees are obviously closer to any potential problem (the product mixing with pollen, etc). I would expect that (and other non-target exposure) would have to be well addressed, but again, the virus used is probably of no significance to bees. That's what the assessment prior to pesticide registration addresses. It might require some public education effort. Kerry Clark, Apiculture Specialist B.C. Ministry of Agriculture 1201 103 Ave Dawson Creek B.C. V1G 4J2 CANADA Tel (604) 784-2225 fax (604) 784-2299 INTERNET KCLARK@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 21:24:20 GMT Reply-To: Tim_Sterrett@westtown.edu Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tim Sterrett Organization: Westtown School Subject: Re: BEE-L Digest - 10 Oct 1995 to 11 Oct 1995 In the September issue of Gleanings, in an article about processing crystallized honey, is a mention of adding diatomaceous earth to the honey before it is filtered. What does this do for the honey? Tim Sterrett Westtown, Pennsylvania, USA tss@locke.ccil.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 14:24:51 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Timothy S. Sterrett" Subject: Re: BEE-L Digest - 10 Oct 1995 to 11 Oct 1995 In-Reply-To: <199510120430.AAA15316@locke.ccil.org> The cane toad mentioned recently is, I think, Bufo marinus, the giant toad that has been introduced, accidentally, in Florida, USA. I have looked for it unsuccessfully in southern Florida for years. Tim Sterrett Westtown, Pennsylvania, USA tss@locke.ccil.org ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 17:33:42 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: BusyKnight Subject: Bee Eaters I Have Known Seems like I read or heard some time ago that bees were an epicurean delight of dragonflies. Can any- one shed any light on this? I have a lot of dragon- flies around my place and I always wondered how many (if any) honeybees I was loosing to them.... BusyKnight Dallas ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 22:17:54 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert Marshall Subject: Too Tight hive Last Spring I removed one frame from each brood box to have 9 frames in each. This Fall I decided to add the removed frames. In order to fit the additional frame in each box I pushed all the frames together until there was room for the tenth frame. Since then there have been a fair amount of bees outside the hive entrance. Temperatures have been between 70-80. If the bee space is now too tight will the bees "fix it up" or have I created a clogged hive? --------------------------------------------------------- Robert S. Marshall Hawthorn Woods, IL ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:03:19 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dan Z. Johnson" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Was there a Bee Battle? >> My pallets are all elevated above a 2x4 on edge and so the skunks >> underside would be exposed. Even so, the damage they do is severe. > > I had heard that higher was better, so the skunk has to actually stretch, >and really expose his belly. Something like a concrete block... We have skunks all over here, our neighbor feeds them, along with the deer, ducks, squirrles, earthworms and musk ox. I put our hives up on old hive bodies and they have yet to attack. I hope the skunks arn't on the BEE-L list. -Dan dan z ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 23:35:58 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dan Z. Johnson" Subject: Possibly More Bee Eaters I Might Have Known At 05:33 PM 10/12/95 -0500, you wrote: >Seems like I read or heard some time ago that bees >were an epicurean delight of dragonflies.... I've wondered about that, but never seen it happen. We have lots of dragonflies here in Southeastern Pennsylvania (we're near a large creek), but I've never witnessed a killing! I HAVE seen some giant wasps swoop down and carry off a live bee or two, though. Frightening. And I've wondered about bats, too. I've seen them working the areas where late-arriving bees come in at dusk. -DanZ dan z ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 01:13:38 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dave D. Cawley" Subject: Re: Bee Eaters I Have Known > From: BusyKnight > Seems like I read or heard some time ago that bees > were an epicurean delight of dragonflies. Can any- > one shed any light on this? I have a lot of dragon- > flies around my place and I always wondered how many > (if any) honeybees I was loosing to them.... I haven't seen dragonflies eat my bees, but I don't think there was a time that I *didn't* see dragonflies chasing bees around my beeyard. I guess that's an occupational hazard when you're less than a mile down the road from swampland...*shrug* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | The information on the Internet is only University Of Scranton | interesting to people who are interested Scranton, Pennsylvania | in it. dave@scranton.com | -Scranton Tomorrow Spokeswoman ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | refusing invitation to Internet Cafe's opening ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 03:18:13 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: BusyKnight Subject: Re: Too Tight hive >If the bee space is now too tight will the bees "fix it up" or have >I created a clogged hive? Robert, The bees will fix it up; I have watched this process in my observation hive. The bees 'eat' back the wax cappings & cells until they have their bee space once again. Its an interesting thing to watch in my observation hive when I've put in a frame that was drawn out too far (between in and the glass). BTW, I played around with putting just nine frames in a ten frame hive like you've done. And like you, I've gone back to ten frames. I read somewhere that nine frames would ease the crowding and keep you from smashing so many bees when you work the hive. So it really appealled to me. But the mess that the bees create when they build burr comb between the nine frames is not worth the extra trouble. BusyKnight Dallas, TX ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 10:27:59 GMT+200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Peter W Wium Organization: ESKOM Koeberg Power Station Subject: Wax Moths I have recently joined PMAIL so i hope i am not repeating previuosly asked questions. I recently checked my hives, after neglegting them a bit during winter, to find three totally destroyed by wax moths. At the end of last summer i treated all my super frames with B401 which is a biological insecticide whose active ingrediants are based on a bacterium (Bacillus thuringiensis Berliner var. aizawa) which has been specially developed for the control of greater wax moth larvae in honeycombs. It is supposed to be active for more than 12 months and has no detrimental effect upon the bee colony. This was effective in the supers treated. I would like to know if i can apply this in the brood as well and if anybody knows of other methods of preventing wax moth investation from occuring. Peter Wium South Africa ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:54:36 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ken Pine Subject: Allergic I'm interested in bee keeping, but I'm also allergic to bee venom. Are there many bee keepers who are in simialr circumstances and how do they work around/overcome the problem? ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:33:00 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Wendy Lewis Subject: allergy Dear Allergic, We've talked about the allergy problem before on this discussion list and I'd like to write to you directly so that we don't tie up everyone's time reading through this all over again. It's a good idea (as my new friend Adam Finkelstein gently reminded me) to include your address with your query. Please write ;-)!! Wendy Lewis Mission Viejo, CA (not allergic but severely reactive) lewis_w@sccd.cc.ca.us ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 08:27:20 AST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Tom_Elliott@JHQNOV.DOT.STATE.AK.US Subject: Re: Bee Eaters I have seen dragonflies pluck a honeybee from the air. In some areas here in Alaska, as in other areas, there are more dragon flies than in other areas (near swamps, etc.). There were thriving hives where I saw this predator at work, and several dragon flies. It is hard to imagine there would be enough dragon fly predation to impact hive population significantly though. Tom Elliott ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:57:36 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dan Fancey Subject: Re: Hex Jars, still lookin'! In-Reply-To: <951011.075446.EDT.SYSAM@cnsibm.albany.edu> Hexagonal jars are available from: Walter T. Kelley Co. 3107 Elizabethtown Rd. P.O. Box 240 Clarkson, KY 42726-0240 phone (502) 242-2012 fax (502) 242-4801 Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, Inc. 610 Bethany Church Rd. Moravian Falls, NC 28654 phone (800) 233-7929 fax (910) 921-2681 ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:19:45 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul O'Connor Subject: Re: Allergic ------ =_NextPart_000_01BA9989.A190CA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have the same problem. I too am new to beekeeping , just completing my = 2nd year. I keep a kit on hand but have never had reason to use it. So = far so good. I am careful when working the hives and take my time.=20 The bees I have are just not that aggressive. Lucky I guess. ---------- From: Ken Pine[SMTP:KEN_PINE@CCMAIL.VA.GRCI.COM] Sent: Friday, October 13, 1995 9:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Subject: Allergic I'm interested in bee keeping, but I'm also allergic to bee venom. 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Have you gone to an allergist and gotten tested, both by skin prick method and blood testing? I am undergoing that right now. I've gotten the skin pricks, tested positive for honey bees and yellow jackets. First blood test indicated a very high reaction to honey bee venom (IGE antibody). Subsequent testing indicates a high protection factor against honey bee venom reactions (IGG antibody). The IGG test results are "unofficial" at this point. They were read to me over the phone by someone in my doctor's office. Next step is a trip to the allergist to get the "official" word. My suggestion is DONT GIVE UP YET! I vowed not to give up my bees that I've had for three years, even if it meant going through allergy shots for whatever time period it took. At this point, I am carrying an epi-pen until I go and see the allergist. I am hoping for the best! Laura Downey Jessup, Maryland (corvi29@aol.com) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 19:06:53 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Marian R. Goldsmith" Subject: Re: molecular biology of bees For the person interested in bee molecular biology (I missed that posting) see Greg J. Hunt & Robert E. Page (1995) Genetics 139: 1371-82, 'Linkage Map of the Honey Bee, Apis mellifera, Based on RAPD Markers.' Both at Dept. of Entomology, UC Davis, 95616 (Hunt corresponding author) ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 22:50:46 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: MD Honey Comments: cc: fkovac@CapAccess.org, br0005@epfl2.epflbalto.org, jr0002@epfl2.epflbalto.org Am looking for honey in the Balto-Wash metro area. Can U help? Even w/in a 60-mile radius of Balto. Pleez? Muchas gracias. Jack the B-man ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:01:15 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Morris Subject: Beekeeping merit Badge Update It is with deep disappointment that I inform you that the Boy Scouts of America declined to reinstate the Beekeeping Merit Badge. Only 20 or so letters, and an equal number of telephone calls, were received in support of the merit badge. I was disappointed to hear that was such a low response. The reason for dropping the merit badge was "lack of interest" as measured by the low numbers of earned badges, 600-800 per year. Apparently they prefer merit badges with numbers on the order of 10,000 to 50,000, or more, per year. If so few wrote letters of support, then, perhaps there is not interest even among beekeepers. Mr. Dalrymple indicated that the committee will meet again in February and that if letters continue to arrive in support of beekeeping, then they may re-examine it. More on that in the future. I hope that we do, somehow, get it reinstated someday. David Morris, President Maryland State Beekeepers Association ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:09:42 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Morris Subject: Re: MD Honey Jack, I have several cases of Md. honey from different local beekeepers. MSBA has on consignment for sales events. We have a lot left over. let me know what you need and I can make arrangements for you. By the way, you missed a really good meeting today, even if I say so myself. Despite the rain (thought I would get washed away getting there) attendence was good. Speakers were fabulous. Ask John Romanik. David Call me tomorrow evening, we are going to Gaithersburg to a craft fair (buying, not selling). 301-725-6185 ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:01:12 UT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Lynn Brant Subject: newcomer Hi all! I'm new to the list and want to start a hive but know nothing at all about where to start. Most of the posts on this list, while interesting, don't help a newcomer get to step one. I'm in the Columbus, OH area and would like to find someone who can help me get started. Maybe I could sort of "apprentice" awhile or something. Would appreciate any advice. Thanks. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 07:43:09 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: BusyKnight Subject: Re: newcomer >Hi all! I'm new to the list and want to start a hive but know >nothing at all about where to start. Lynn, In addition to the e-mail I sent you, look up these two Internet sites (there are several more - as you'll see). gopher://sun1.oardc.ohio-state.edu:70/11/bioag/bee-info http://weber.u.washington.edu/%7Ejlks/bee.html These will help answer some basic questions (or cause you to think of some more!). Good luck! BusyKnight Dallas, TX ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 08:53:14 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Beekeeping merit Badge Update > It is with deep disappointment that I inform you that the Boy Scouts of > America declined to reinstate the Beekeeping Merit Badge. Only 20 or so > letters, and an equal number of telephone calls, were received in support of > the merit badge. I was disappointed to hear that was such a low response. > > The reason for dropping the merit badge was "lack of interest" as measured by > the low numbers of earned badges, 600-800 per year. Apparently they prefer > merit badges with numbers on the order of 10,000 to 50,000, or more, per > year. If so few wrote letters of support, then, perhaps there is not > interest even among beekeepers. > > Mr. Dalrymple indicated that the committee will meet again in February and > that if letters continue to arrive in support of beekeeping, then they may > re-examine it. More on that in the future. > > I hope that we do, somehow, get it reinstated someday. > > David Morris, President > Maryland State Beekeepers Association > GOOD TRY, DAVE. U R 2 B COMMENDED 4 UR EFFORTS ABOVE & BEYOND CALL OF DUTY. JACK THE B-MAN ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 08:59:57 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: MD Honey > Jack, > > I have several cases of Md. honey from different local beekeepers. MSBA has > on consignment for sales events. We have a lot left over. let me know what > you need and I can make arrangements for you. > > By the way, you missed a really good meeting today, even if I say so myself. > Despite the rain (thought I would get washed away getting there) attendence > was good. Speakers were fabulous. Ask John Romanik. > > David > > Call me tomorrow evening, we are going to Gaithersburg to a craft fair > (buying, not selling). 301-725-6185 > 1. U STAGE EXCEPTIONAL MEETINGS. 2. WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE BUT MY DAU HAD 3 TIX TO KING'S DOMINION THAT HAD 2 BE USED THAT DAY. MENTALLY HANDICAPPED SHE NATCH COMES 1ST, HONEYBS SECOND (HOPE IRENE DOESN'T C THIS). THE TIX WERE ON HAND 4 MONTHS. 3. I BUY HONEY BY THE PAIL (60S) USUALLY FIVE AT A CRACK. SHALL TRY CALLING U SUN EVE. THANKS. jack the b-man ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 09:07:36 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: honeywanted Amigos/as, 1. Neglected to state that I buy honey in plastic pails (60s), five at a crack. 2. Can U help this impoverished b-keeper? Peo keep knocking on my door & I hate to disap- point them &---myself! 3. Cheers y muchas gracias. Juan el b-hombre ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 09:12:59 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Eyre Subject: Information Greetings. If you have a few moments, turn your browser to a new Web site. http://www.muskoka.net/~beeworks. Your comments would be appreciated. Regards........ ********************************************************* * David J. Eyre CEO 9 Progress Drive, Unit 2, * * The Beeworks Orillia, Ont, Canada, L3V 6H1* * beeworks@muskoka.net (705) 326 7171 * * http.//www.muskoka.net/~beeworks * ********************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:01:21 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Sergio Enrique Mateo Carranza Organization: Colegio Inmaculada Subject: contact from Peru Hi everybody! I'm looking for new addresses that may be use for our studens, please confir reading my e-mail. Thanks a lot. SERGIO E. MATEO C. Postmaster Colegio de la Inmaculada, jesuitas. Lima - Peru. ================================================================ Sergio Enrique MATEO CARRANZA ---------------------------------------------------------------- Monte Olivo 186, | Colegio de la Inmaculada Urb. Monterrico Sur, | Apartado 211, Lima 33. PERU | Lima 100. PERU | Telf. 51-1-4486148 | Telf. 51-1-4496772 Fax. 51-1-4486148 | Fax. 51-1-4496842 ================================================================ ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 20:26:10 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: GMABDELA@FRCU.EUN.EG Subject: blood cell types of the hony bees HI Could any one helpe me, i would like to knew the blood cell types of the hony bees { Apis mlefera} and the references. Pleas response to me directly throug may e.mail, im no'tsubscribed in the bee-l. Thankes in advance. < gmabdela@frcu.eun.eg> ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 22:36:58 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Jim G. Shoemaker" Subject: Bee Venom Therapy Info Needed A local lady suffering from MS has experienced some improvement after a week of stings (can wiggle her little finger). However she has experienced considerable swelling and redness around the sting area. Anyone having information or suggestions where we might receive information, please e-mail to my address jshoemak@mail.orion.org. Thanks, Jim Shoemaker 5160 S. Western Brookline, MO 65619 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 06:29:45 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Diana Sammataro Subject: Re: Beekeeping merit Badge Update In-Reply-To: <951014230113_44846161@mail04.mail.aol.com> from "David Morris" at Oct 14, 95 11:01:15 pm Dave: I was disappointed to read about the merit badge. Maybe we should try the Girl Scouts?! Thanks for trying. Hellos to all, Diana Sammataro ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:34:14 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kim Flottum Subject: Re: newcomer In a message dated 95-10-15 07:55:45 EDT, you write: >LBrant@MSN.COM ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 07:56:28 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: newcomer > In a message dated 95-10-15 07:55:45 EDT, you write: > > >LBrant@MSN.COM > KIM, U SHUD TRY AGAIN. UR MESSAGE HAD A HEADER ONLY, NO TEXT. CHEERS. JACK THE B-MAN ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:04:26 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy Info Needed > A local lady suffering from MS has experienced some improvement after a > week of stings (can wiggle her little finger). However she has > experienced considerable swelling and redness around the sting area. > > Anyone having information or suggestions where we might receive information, > please e-mail to my address jshoemak@mail.orion.org. > > Thanks, > > Jim Shoemaker > 5160 S. Western > Brookline, MO 65619 > THE primary SOURCE IN THE GOOD OLE USA IS THE AMERICAN APITHERAPY SOCIETY IN V E R M O N T THE HOME OF CHARLIE MRAZ, 90, THE INSTIGATOR. 1/800/823-3460 OR 1/802/436-2708 (INT'L) OR fax 802/436-2827. ASK FOR PERTINENT FREE COPY OF "BEE INFORMED," THEIR QUARTERLY. BONNE CHANCE. Jack the B-man historic ellicott city near Balto ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:25:40 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: blood cell types of the hony bees Comments: To: gmabdela@frcu.eun.eg > HI > Could any one helpe me, i would like to knew the blood cell types of > the hony bees { Apis mlefera} and the references. Pleas response to me > directly throug may e.mail, im no'tsubscribed in the bee-l. > Thankes in advance. > < gmabdela@frcu.eun.eg> > Salaam alikum habibi in Egypt? Apis mellifera has no red blood cells. The blood, or hymolymph, fills the body cavity in an "open" circulation system. For full properties of honeybee hymolymph (color, specific gravity, ph (acidity), chief simple sugar, chief carbohydrate, buffers, molecular concentration, other organic metabolites, and plasmatocytes, see "The Hive & the Honeybee," (1992, 1324 pages), edited by Joe Graham, page 175. I will email those specifications if U so desire. Definition of "hymolymph": the circulatory fluid of various in- vertebrate animals that is func- tionally comparable to the blood and lymph of vertebrates. Ma salaam. Ma salaam. Jack the B-man ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 08:32:49 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: contact from Peru > Hi everybody! > > I'm looking for new addresses that may be use for our studens, please > confir reading my e-mail. Thanks a lot. > > SERGIO E. MATEO C. > Postmaster > Colegio de la Inmaculada, jesuitas. > Lima - Peru. > > > ================================================================ > Sergio Enrique MATEO CARRANZA > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Monte Olivo 186, | Colegio de la Inmaculada > Urb. Monterrico Sur, | Apartado 211, > Lima 33. PERU | Lima 100. PERU | > Telf. 51-1-4486148 | Telf. 51-1-4496772 > Fax. 51-1-4486148 | Fax. 51-1-4496842 > ================================================================ > > Caro Sergio, Your message was read here in Ellicott City Maryland near Baltimore. I used to teach political science courses at Loyola College (Jesuit, naturally) in Baltimore years ago (1976-1981). Buena suerta (sp?) y hasta luego y vaya con Dios. Juan el B-hombre ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:08:51 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: HoneyDrink #1 Composed on Floppy (ASCII); sent via ASCII Protocol. mon 28aug95 1444 (kencoyle, hr S Toronto) Friend, 1. Here's the honey pop recipe I've been using since B4 1988. Made only in summer time & drunk like mad by my 35-yr- old dau & 68-yr-old me. 2. Ingredients: *4 US gallons well water *6# light honey (2 qts) (I use black locust) *1/8 teaspoon wine yeast (I use Epernay 2, Pasteur champagne, or Montrachet-- whatever I have on hand) *2 fl oz Extract (root beer, sassafras, cola, etc.--have a large variety on hand) 3. Procedure: *Put warm water in 6-gal white plastic bucket which has valve on bottom *Add honey--I use part of the above as warm/hot water to make honey dispersal easier *Add extract *Sprinkle yeast on top (If water is warm, it'll dissolve in no time flat) *Stir vigorously & bottle immediately 4. I have ready to go eight recycled 2-litre plastic soda bottles w/screw tops, previously rinsed in a Campden solution (4 tabs to pint water) & drained upside down in a pint bottle. (As one is draining, I'm Campden swishing another, w/its screw cap on, not my palm, and then replace the draining one). 5. Bottles are filled from the bucket, a couple of inches from the top (to prevent spill over) then later filled to the top from a server bottle. 6. Put in a warm place (at least 70 degrees F.), on their sides, w/ the screw end slightly elevated), for 24 hours or until the bottles are firm. If leaking, tighten or replace caps. 7. All are stored in refrigerator for daily use. [To keep unrefrigerated: if too much yeast was used, bottles will eventually explode: stress marks can be seen forming on the neck.] 8. Notes: (a) Mixture shuld be tasted B4 yeast is added; if not sweet enuf, add more honey; if 2 sweet, water. (b) Two oz. of extract is sufficient for four-gallon batch. (c) Campden rinsing is important to prevent offtastes. (d) Even tho refrigerated, caps shud be "exhausted" carefully when drinking is desirable. Don't drink the dregs. (e) Whole process takes less than sixty (60) minutes, if U know what UR doing, INCLUDING CLEAN UP. 9. If U want sources or to see fotos of process, check the American Bee Journal (Nov 93, pp. 771-773): John Iannuzzi, "Honey Soda Made Easy: For the `beeginner who wants a superior non-alcoholic [sic] drink at a ridiculously low price, here's the step-by-step process," or same magazine (Jul 87, pp. 485-587), same author: "Let's Make Honey Pop: You've had honey- wine and honey beer? Why not a honey soft drink?" Bonne chance. Jack the B-man Ellicott City (founded 1772) MD usa mon 28aug95 1457 PS Take an hydrometer reading B4 bottling and one just B4 imbibing to see alcoholic content, if any. ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 09:14:07 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: HoneyPop#2 Composed on Floppy (ASCII); sent via ASCII Protocol. tues 29aug95 0929 Friend in Ontario, SIMPLIFIED HONEYPOP RECIPE 1. After I made a batch of red cherry honey pop yesterday (yum, yum), I checked the label. 2. Front: Wines Inc., Soft Drink Flavoring Extract Wines Inc. - Akron Ohio 44310 2 fl. oz. $2.25 Contains natural & artificial flavoring. 3. Back: PROCESSES Wines Inc. Extracts may be mixed in two ways. Process one is for those who wish their soda with as little fuss as possible. Process two is for the connoisseur and produces a delight- ful beverage as well as providing an interesting project. (Try both.) PROCESS ONE. Make the Syrup: Dissolve nine cups of sugar [horribile scriptu!] or two pounds of honey [mirabile lectu!] in 4-1/4 cups hot water. Add one bottle Wines Inc. Extract and stir. (Will keep well in a cool place.) To make one (1) glass: Use 2-3 tablespoons of syrup (your preference) for each 8-oz glass of soda to be made. You may use either club soda or tap water. PROCESS TWO. Natural carbonation is fun to do and good for you. Dissolve nine cups of sugar [m.s!] in 4-3/4 gallons of luke- warm water. Add one bottle of Wines Inc. Extract. Put 1/2 teaspoon champage yeast in one cup war water, lest stand five minutes and pour into mixture, stir and bottle. Do not exceed the amount of sugar given above as this would cause excessive pressure in the bottles and an unsafe condition [i.e., flying shrapnel]. Store bottles in warm place upright for 6-10 days. Chill and enjoy. END OF LABELS 4. CAUTION: I would never use glass, only plastic. TOO DANGEROUS! Buena suerte. Jack the B-man Ellicott City (founded 1772) > Honeybees: Singing masons building < MD usa tues 29aug95 0957 > roofs of gold. --Shakespeare < PS For supplies, check wine/beer supplies in Yellow Pages. 16oct95 again ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 13:11:39 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Miriam Richards Subject: Re: molecular biology of bees In-Reply-To: Laurence Packer is indeed doing molecular work on bees now. His lab is concentrating on the molecular systematics of sweat bees, and he is interested in adding one or two new grad students to the project. Prospective grad students should contact him at the following address. As a former grad student, I recommend the lab highly for anyone interested in primitively eusocial bee systematics or behaviour. Dr. Laurence Packer Dept. Biology York University 4700 Keele St. North York, Ont. M3J 1P3 Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Miriam Richards Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center Seattle, WA ***** My opinions definitely do not reflect those of my employer ***** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:39:16 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul O'Connor Subject: Re: Beekeeping merit Badge Update ------ =_NextPart_000_01BA9C6C.584AAD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My sons interest in Boy Scouts was how we first got interested in = Beekeeping. In our area, scouting is definately not what it was. With parents busy = schedules and the Liability issues, additional limitations are sure to = follow. ---------- From: Diana Sammataro[SMTP:dsammata@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU] Sent: Monday, October 16, 1995 6:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Subject: Re: Beekeeping merit Badge Update Dave: I was disappointed to read about the merit badge. Maybe we should = try the Girl Scouts?! Thanks for trying. 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I am interested in recent work using modern techniques and color film. Dick Bonney rebon@ent.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:20:00 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: di5 Subject: Re: As the bees sees In-Reply-To: <199510171352.JAA05555@titan.oit.umass.edu> You might look at the section on UV photography in Techniques for Pollination Biologists, by Kearns and Inouye, Univ. Press of CO. If you need ordering information contact me. David Inouye, di5@umail.umd.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 10:31:33 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kelley Rosenlund Subject: Entrance Reducers I live in North Central Florida and am not sure if I need entrance reducers this winter. One beekeeper friend (700 hives) does not and another (600 hives) says it's a must & he leaves only a three inch by 3/8 inch high opening. What do y'all do? God Bless, Kelley Rosenlund Gainesville, Fla. U.S.A., 32 hives ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 07:50:36 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dr. Douglas Westphal" Subject: What causes shriveled wings? Comments: cc: westphal@westphal.BITNET I looked in my references but couldn't find any information on the cause of shriveled wings on bees. The wings are usually almost stick-like and the bees appear darker than the others. They are dumped in front of the hive by the healthy bees or carried away. I have seen them occasionally during the summer. I seem to be seeing more during the last week. I was wondering if it is related to the coming of fall and to cool temperatures in the hive. Our nighttime temperatures here (near Santa Cruz, Calif.) have dropped into the high 40's and daytime highs are in the 60's or 70's. I guess it could also be due to some genetic defect, but most of the bees are okay. Does anyone know what is causing the shriveled wings? Does anyone have a reference that discusses this problem? Doug. Ben Lomond, Calif ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 16:29:00 GMT+0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "BTMA06::MRGATE::\"BTMA97::AM::THONEH\""@BTMA06.BEL.ALCATEL.BE Subject: Re: What causes shriveled wings? From: NAME: THONE HUGO SE121 TEL: (240)9452 ADDR: F To: NAME: IN%"BEE-L@CNSIBM.ALBANY.EDU" Hi Doug, Varoa, varoa, varoa. These are mites that attack the larvaes in the comb. If you don't treat your hive urgently, you won't have no bees anymore very soon. Use APISTAN strips befoe it is too late. Cheers, Hugo +++++ Hugo Thone (SE121) email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be ALCATEL BELL TELEPHONE (\ phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 B-2018 Antwerp (/ do bee do bee do .... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 08:36:00 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Wendy Lewis Subject: Re: What causes shriveled wings? Re: shriveled wings Is it possible that the bees you are seeing are on their last legs, so to speak? I've noticed that the older workers' wings get pretty beaten up towards the end of their lifespan, almost to the point of being worn away. That could account for the other bees dumping them in front of the hive. Wendy Lewis Mission Viejo, CA lewis_w@sccd.cc.ca.us ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:35:31 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Clayton Subject: Bee Book Survey >From time to time I speak to various groups and I like to leave them with a reading list. Rather than just have it contain my ideas of good books, I'm soliciting input from others. What are your ideas of the "Best of the Bee Books"? I divide my list into three categories: Beekeeping Instructional Books Here I place the how-to books such as those by Richard Bonney for those who want to go out an try it. Beekeeping General Reading This category contains books of interest to the lay reader dealing more generally with bees, beekeeping and keepers, etc. Beekeeping Reference This is the place for the tomes: "The Hive & the Honey Bee" and "The ABC & XYZ..." and any others. Any suggestions will be much appreciated. A brief description of the book or reason for including it helps readers make intelligent choices. E-mail direct to me at: dclayton@uriacc.uri.edu and I will compile the list for posting here. I will also send it on to the Beekeeping FAQ if they wish to include it. If you know the book is out of print or somesuch, please include that info also. Thanks in advance. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David Clayton Internet: dclayton@uriacc.uri.edu Assistant Director, Academic Computing URI Smart Node Consultant Univ. of RI; Kingston, RI 02881 ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:17:23 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Entrance Reducers > I live in North Central Florida and am not sure if I need entrance reducers > this winter. > One beekeeper friend (700 hives) does not and another (600 hives) says it's > a must & he leaves only a three inch by 3/8 inch high opening. > > What do y'all do? > > God Bless, > Kelley Rosenlund > Gainesville, Fla. U.S.A., 32 hives > HAVE NEVER USED AN ENTRANCE REDUCER IN 35 CONSECUTIVE YEARS OF B-KEEPING. I RUN THE SHALLOW (SHALLOW) SIDE OF THE BOTTOM BOARD UP (UP) 12 MONS OF THE YEAR DESPITE WHAT OTHERS DO OR SAY. THAT MEANS I NEVER HAVE TO FOOL WITH THE EXTRA WORK OR EXPENSE. SUUM CUIQUE. JACK THE B-MAN ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:33:21 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Test#2 Comments: To: jr0002@epfl2.epflbalto.org The Sat Md State B-keepers meeting at the National Arboretum (DC) was concluded successfully w/ the annual honey show and an ace speaker in Dr. Ayres (sp?) from Univ of Mich, discussing honey plants. U missed an excellent meeting under the aegis of MSBA prexy Dave Morris, Laurel. ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 13:50:46 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: RICHARD E BONNEY Subject: Re: As the bees sees In-Reply-To: <9510171420.AA01508@umailsrv1.UMD.EDU> from Thanks for responding. Our library has the book and I have checked it out. It looks to be the sort of thing I was after. The reference section is very promising. Again, thanks Dick Bonney ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:00:31 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: RICHARD E BONNEY Subject: Re: Bee Book Survey In-Reply-To: I have a list of books that I pass out in my class and use as an Extension handout. It has some introductory material, then lists 20 books and six magazines and journals. I will send you a copy snail mail today. Feel free to use it as you see fit. Dick Bonney rebon@ent.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 14:03:13 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Reducers??? Comments: cc: gr105@cleveland.freenet.edu, fkovac@CapAccess.org, br0005@epfl2.epflbalto.org, jr0002@epfl2.epflbalto.org Why use entrance reducers? They R extra cost and extra work. In 35 years of consecutive b-keeping, I have NEVER used any. I run the shallow (shallow) side of the bottom board up (up) year round, NEVER the deep side, despite what the books and soit-disant experts say about the necessity of "adequate ventilation." Suum cuique. Jack the B-man ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:53:55 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Re: Bee Allergies During the past few months, many people had requested information about stings and allergic reactions to those stings. A very comprehensive treatment of that subject can be found in the following publication: Graham, Joe M. 1992. THE HIVE AND THE HONEY BEE. Dadant & Sons., Hamilton, Illinois. (Revised Edition). See the chapter by Schmidt, Justin O. Allergy to venomous insects. Pages 1209-1269. Adrian *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:42:50 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Kevin D. Parsons" <102372.624@COMPUSERVE.COM> Subject: Reducers??? Jack, You Wrote: > Why use entrance reducers? > They R extra cost and extra work. > In 35 years of consecutive b-keeping, > I have NEVER used any. > I run the shallow (shallow) side of > the bottom board up (up) year round, > NEVER the deep side, despite what > the books and soit-disant experts > say about the necessity of "adequate > ventilation." Suum cuique. Not to pick nits, but I believe it would be more accurate to say that you ALWAYS use reducers. Some of us only use them seasonally. With just 3 hive I don't mind putting some 4 sq/inch hardware cloth in the entrance. If I didn't the mice living under the hives would probably invite their in-laws to live "upstairs". That would violate one of our many zoning ordinances. If I had many hives I think I'd go with your aproach, though. Kevin ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 15:55:41 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Vaughn M. Bryant Jr." Subject: Re: Bee Book Survey Please send me a copy...my address is listed below. >I have a list of books that I pass out in my class and use as an >Extension handout. It has some introductory material, then lists 20 books >and six magazines and journals. > >I will send you a copy snail mail today. Feel free to use it as you see fit. > >Dick Bonney >rebon@ent.umass.edu > > Dr. Vaughn M. Bryant, Jr. Professor and Head Department of Anthropology Director of Texas A&M Palynology Laboratory Texas A&M University College Station, Texas 77843-4352 (409) 845-5242 - FAX (409) 845-4070 email (vbryant@tamu.edu) ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:42:32 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dave D. Cawley" Subject: Re: Entrance Reducers > From: JOHN IANNUZZI > HAVE NEVER USED AN ENTRANCE > REDUCER IN 35 CONSECUTIVE > YEARS OF B-KEEPING. I RUN > THE SHALLOW (SHALLOW) SIDE > OF THE BOTTOM BOARD UP (UP) > 12 MONS OF THE YEAR DESPITE > WHAT OTHERS DO OR SAY. THAT > MEANS I NEVER HAVE TO FOOL > WITH THE EXTRA WORK OR EXPENSE. > SUUM CUIQUE. Jack, Is there *ANYTHING* that other beekeepers do that you do?!? 8-} ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave D. Cawley | The information on the Internet is only University Of Scranton | interesting to people who are interested Scranton, Pennsylvania | in it. dave@scranton.com | -Scranton Tomorrow Spokeswoman ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | refusing invitation to Internet Cafe's opening ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 18:44:08 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gordon Scott Subject: Re: What causes shriveled wings? In-Reply-To: <9510171450.AA03600@westphal.nrlmry.navy.mil> On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Dr. Douglas Westphal wrote: > I looked in my references but couldn't find any information on the > cause of shriveled wings on bees. The wings are usually almost stick-like > and the bees appear darker than the others. They are dumped in front of the > hive by the healthy bees or carried away. > Does anyone know what is causing the shriveled wings? My immediate reaction is that this is likely damage caused by varroa. I see a number of these particularly later in the year as the infestation gets heavy. The mites feed on the larvae, which then fail to develop fully, seen typically as stunted growth of abdomen and/or wings. If I'm right, infestation is probably quite heavy and you should be dealing with it. Regards, -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk CompuServe 100332,3310 gordon@multitone.co.uk CompuServe 100070,413 Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:09:53 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Entrance Reducers > > From: JOHN IANNUZZI > > HAVE NEVER USED AN ENTRANCE > > REDUCER IN 35 CONSECUTIVE > > YEARS OF B-KEEPING. I RUN > > THE SHALLOW (SHALLOW) SIDE > > OF THE BOTTOM BOARD UP (UP) > > 12 MONS OF THE YEAR DESPITE > > WHAT OTHERS DO OR SAY. THAT > > MEANS I NEVER HAVE TO FOOL > > WITH THE EXTRA WORK OR EXPENSE. > > SUUM CUIQUE. > > Jack, > > Is there *ANYTHING* that other beekeepers do that you do?!? 8-} > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dave D. Cawley | The information on the Internet is only > University Of Scranton | interesting to people who are interested > Scranton, Pennsylvania | in it. > dave@scranton.com | -Scranton Tomorrow Spokeswoman > ddc1@jaguar.uofs.edu | refusing invitation to Internet Cafe's opening > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Dave, U've just met Diogenes. My oil is running out. Please help. Jack the B-man :-) ditto ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:36:38 EDT Reply-To: Liver Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eugene MosQueda Subject: Re: As the bees sees Anyone have a list of references on how bees see polarized light? Gene ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:20:49 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Jim G. Shoemaker" Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy Info Needed In-Reply-To: <9510161204.AA01194@epfl2> Hello B-Man: Thanks for the reply regarding the Am. Api. Society. I left a message on their machine asking for information. I think the local lady with MS would be very interested in visiting with someone who has experienced Bee Venom Therapy. If you or anyone on the list could help with a name, phone number or address, we would certainly appreciate it. Jim Shoemaker 5160 S. Western Brookline, MO (near Springfield and Bass Pro Shop) 417 887 0225 ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 17:39:23 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gordon Scott Subject: Re: Entrance Reducers In-Reply-To: <199510171431.KAA18963@freenet2.freenet.ufl.edu> On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Kelley Rosenlund wrote: > I live in North Central Florida and am not sure if I need entrance reducers > this winter. > One beekeeper friend (700 hives) does not and another (600 hives) says it's > a must & he leaves only a three inch by 3/8 inch high opening. > > What do y'all do? In our cool damp winter climate I always use reducers and top ventilation via 1" holes in each corner of the inner cover. I now close the entrances down when the wasps (yellowjackets) start to be a nuisance and only open them again when the weather starts to get hot. If I have _real_ trouble with wasps I now sometimes close to 1"x3/8" to give the bees a better chance to defend. Of course, I'm in the UK, not Florida ;-) Best regards, -- Gordon Scott gordon@apis.demon.co.uk CompuServe 100332,3310 gordon@multitone.co.uk CompuServe 100070,413 Beekeeper; Kendo 3rd Dan; Sometime sailor. The Basingstoke Beekeeper (newsletter) beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 02:16:13 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN ROMANIK Subject: Bee Venom Therapy Bhy he did notrefer someone, Pat Wagner, here in Charles Co. Maryland whowas cured of MS and has an ad in the American Bee Journal.. 695 October issue called "How well are you willing tobee?" I heard her speak several times at our Maryland beemeetings fi rst coming in a wheel chair, then a walker, thanwith no aid. She was featured on Connie Chung a couple yearsago and on several TV news programs. I made a copy of twoof dollarsevery week or so for medicine that did her no good until shetook the suggestio n of the regional bee inspector - try somebee stings. Some use it for arthritis. She did and felt warmey use the colony of bees for bee venom therapyfor being the unpaid doctor. Inthe Connie Chung 20 min. section it showed dozens of people,mostly women, coming to her house each week for bee stings -rybody isin dancing.beards each day (nos. 97-103). The bees didn't sting myface nor the women whom I kissed with the beard and gave eachafter coming out of the screened tent. Afters on my right knee. My onlys t gs on my face were numbers 45 and 48. I (we) forgot tofeed the honeybees with sugar syrup spray. Jack Iannuzzi didnot apply the bees on me this year being in Ohio, but he is it Jack got Don Kolpack to be the first one who alsowent to Ohio in 1980 (?) fo r the program "That's Incredible"I started in 1993 at Harbor Place in Baltimore. I couldn'tback out then with a large audience. Now I charge money toThe novelty ran out longago. I'm typing this on P.W on ASCII. My first a reply tothis question didn 't go through.John Romanik ************************************************* John Romanik BBKM jr0002@epfl.epflbalto.org Ellicott City, Maryland USA ********************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 02:27:57 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN ROMANIK Subject: Bee Venom Therapy I just asked my friend, John Iannuzzi, why he did not refer someone, Pat Wagner, here in Charles Co. Maryland who was cured of MS and has an ad in the American Bee Journal P.. 695 October issue called "How well are you willing to bee?" I heard her speak several times at our Maryland bee meetings first coming in a wheel chair, then a walker, than with no aid. She was featured on Connie Chung a couple years ago and on several TV news programs. I made a copy of two programs. This young grandmother with an outgoing personality said she was bedridden paying hundreds of dollars every week or so for medicine that did her no good until she took the suggestion of the regional bee inspector - try some bee stings. Some use it for arthritis. She did and felt warm around her sting that she never felt in years. With her husband Ray they use the colony of bees for bee venom therapy and last year she even got some surplus honey. She nick named her husband Sting Ray for being the unpaid doctor. In the Connie Chung 20 min. section it showed dozens of people, mostly women, coming to her house each week for bee stings - free. Not being a doctor she can't charge and can't practice medicine. Some people donated some money. Not everybody is helped. Even today's medicine doesn't help all with our modern medicine. I used bee stings on my hurt knee - twisted in dancing. I did it in public at the Baltimore Co. Md. annual Honey Festival held this year on Oct. 7 & 8, 1995 after wearing 3 bee beards each day (nos. 97-103). The bees didn't sting my face nor the women whom I kissed with the beard and gave each a jar of honey after coming out of the screened tent. After removing the queen cage and "shaving" with a bee brush I applied two or three bee stings on my right knee. My only stings on my face were numbers 45 and 48. I (we) forgot to feed the honeybees with sugar syrup spray. Jack Iannuzzi did not apply the bees on me this year being in Ohio, but he is the instigator of the beebeards in Md. having first seen it in 1978 in Ohio at the EAS meeting. Don Cooke, who was on the cover of the Guinnes Book of records was the one we saw in Ohio. Jack got Don Kolpack to be the first one who also went to Ohio in 1980 (?) for the program "That's Incredible" I started in 1993 at Harbor Place in Baltimore. I couldn't back out then with a large audience. Now I charge money to cover the loss of bees and work. The novelty ran out long ago. I'm typing this on P.W on ASCII. My first a reply to this question didn't go through. John Romanik ************************************************* John Romanik BBKM jr0002@epfl.epflbalto.org Ellicott City, Maryland USA ********************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:27:37 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy Info Needed > Hello B-Man: > > Thanks for the reply regarding the Am. Api. Society. > > I left a message on their machine asking for information. > > I think the local lady with MS would be very interested in visiting with > someone who has experienced Bee Venom Therapy. If you or anyone on the > list could help with a name, phone number or address, we would certainly > appreciate it. > > Jim Shoemaker > 5160 S. Western > Brookline, MO (near Springfield and Bass Pro Shop) > 417 887 0225 > Pat Wagner was confined to a wheelchair w/ MS in Mar 1992, going blind, nocontrol over bodily functions, etc, when she recvd her first bee sting from a friend. After 8500 stings (yes, 8500) she's virtually a new woman and almost walks unaided (she does lean on her husband sometimes). I know her personally (she's from Waldorf, MD about 50 miles S of Ellicott City (a Balto suburb) and has written a book abouther experiences. HOW WELL ARE U WILLING TO BEE: A beginner's auto fix-it guide, (70pp, spiral-bound, 1994), $27 postpaid from the author: Pat Wagner/5431 Lucy Drive/Waldorf MD 20601 - 301-843-8350. She's an inspiring speaker and appeared on the Connie Chung show. People disaffected w/ modern medicine came flocking to her door from all over, even visitors from abroad! Hope this helps. Jack the B-man (she calls herself "the Bee Lady") ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:40:38 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy Comments: To: jr0002@epfl2.epflbalto.org > Bhy he did notrefer someone, Pat Wagner, here in Charles Co. Maryland whowas cured of MS and has an ad in the American Bee Journal.. 695 October issue called "How well are you willing tobee?" I heard her speak several times at our Maryland beemeetings first coming in a wheel chair, then a walker, thanwith no aid. She was featured on Connie Chung a couple yearsago and on several TV news programs. I made a copy of twoof dollarsevery week or so for medicine that did her no good until shetook the suggestion of the regional bee inspector - try somebee stings. Some use it for arthritis. She did and felt warmey use the colony of bees for bee venom therapyfor being the unpaid doctor. Inthe Connie Chung 20 min. section it showed dozens of people,mostly women, coming to her house each week for bee stings -rybody isin dancing.beards each day (nos. 97-103). The bees didn't sting myface nor the women whom I kissed with the beard and gave eachafter coming out of the screened tent. Afters on my right knee. My onlystin > > gs on my face were numbers 45 and 48. I (we) forgot tofeed the honeybees with sugar syrup spray. Jack Iannuzzi didnot apply the bees on me this year being in Ohio, but he is it Jack got Don Kolpack to be the first one who alsowent to Ohio in 1980 (?) for the program "That's Incredible"I started in 1993 at Harbor Place in Baltimore. I couldn'tback out then with a large audience. Now I charge money toThe novelty ran out longago. I'm typing this on P.W on ASCII. My first a reply tothis question didn't go through.John Romanik > ************************************************* > John Romanik BBKM jr0002@epfl.epflbalto.org > Ellicott City, Maryland USA > ********************************************* > For Mr Romanik, BeeBeardKingofMaryland, 1. The above-referenced message is quite confusing since it appears to be a mixture of two separate memos: one on Pat Wagner and the other on beebeard performances. 2. U put it in ASCII first on a disk and then uploaded it? U shud have check it out first? 3. Only trying to help. Bonne chance! Jack the B-man ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 10:44:39 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Bee Venom Therapy Comments: To: jr0002@epfl2.epflbalto.org > I just asked my friend, John Iannuzzi, why he did not > refer someone, Pat Wagner, here in Charles Co. Maryland who > was cured of MS and has an ad in the American Bee Journal > P.. 695 October issue called "How well are you willing to > bee?" I heard her speak several times at our Maryland bee > meetings first coming in a wheel chair, then a walker, than > with no aid. She was featured on Connie Chung a couple years > ago and on several TV news programs. I made a copy of two > programs. This young grandmother with an outgoing > personality said she was bedridden paying hundreds of dollars > every week or so for medicine that did her no good until she > took the suggestion of the regional bee inspector - try some > bee stings. Some use it for arthritis. She did and felt warm > around her sting that she never felt in years. With her > husband Ray they use the colony of bees for bee venom therapy > and last year she even got some surplus honey. She nick > named her husband Sting Ray for being the unpaid doctor. In > the Connie Chung 20 min. section it showed dozens of people, > mostly women, coming to her house each week for bee stings - > free. Not being a doctor she can't charge and can't practice > medicine. Some people donated some money. Not everybody is > helped. Even today's medicine doesn't help all with our > modern medicine. > I used bee stings on my hurt knee - twisted in dancing. > I did it in public at the Baltimore Co. Md. annual Honey > Festival held this year on Oct. 7 & 8, 1995 after wearing 3 > bee beards each day (nos. 97-103). The bees didn't sting my > face nor the women whom I kissed with the beard and gave each > a jar of honey after coming out of the screened tent. After > removing the queen cage and "shaving" with a bee brush I > applied two or three bee stings on my right knee. My only > stings on my face were numbers 45 and 48. I (we) forgot to > feed the honeybees with sugar syrup spray. Jack Iannuzzi did > not apply the bees on me this year being in Ohio, but he is > the instigator of the beebeards in Md. having first seen it > in 1978 in Ohio at the EAS meeting. Don Cooke, who was on > the cover of the Guinnes Book of records was the one we saw > in Ohio. Jack got Don Kolpack to be the first one who also > went to Ohio in 1980 (?) for the program "That's Incredible" > I started in 1993 at Harbor Place in Baltimore. I couldn't > back out then with a large audience. Now I charge money to > cover the loss of bees and work. The novelty ran out long > ago. > I'm typing this on P.W on ASCII. My first a reply to > this question didn't go through. > John Romanik > ************************************************* > John Romanik BBKM jr0002@epfl.epflbalto.org > Ellicott City, Maryland USA > ********************************************* > JOHN, IT DID GO THRU BUT IT WAS ALL GARBLED. CONGRATS! ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | There is some soul of goodness 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | in things evil... Thus bees do Ellicott City (founded 1772) | gather honey from the weed. Maryland usa 21042 | --Apologies to the BardofAvon Hobbyist w/ 19 colonies2many | 21 Italian hives (25sep951945) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 35 years a b-man ************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 11:24:10 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jackie O'Keefe Subject: Attachments Recently, I received some Bee-L mail with an attachment that none of my tools could translate. I've since found out that it was a Microsoft Mail doc. Is it possible to attach documents in a more universally readable format? My understanding is that Microsoft Mail is not very widely used (i.e. not a Microsoft Network function). Thanks for your help. Jackie O'Keefe ...not yet a beekeeper ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 14:44:09 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner I would like some help, please. Last spring a journal article appeared that described an experiment in which colonies having different strains of bees were innoculated with varroa mites to see which strain could hold up best. I believe was a study done in Spain and that it may have appeared in BeeScience. However, I cannot find my copies for that time of year (moving offices leads to that sort of disappearance). Can anyone provide the reference? Thanks a lot. Adrian *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 19:47:30 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mike Worrell Subject: Re: MD Honey Hi Dave - I agree on the meeting and speakers, Mike Worrell ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 07:47:35 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Logan Vanleigh Subject: Cheap In-Hive feeding I have two colonies in E TN that are a bit weak on stores and feel I may need to feed them possibly thru the winter. Having just returned to beekeeping I have no frames of honey to give them. I seem to recall a discussion some months ago about in-hive feeders 'on the cheap'. I don't have division board feeders. Are there reasonable (all opinions appreciated) home-made alternatives for providing in-hive feeding during the winter. Logan VanLeigh ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:07:36 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mike Griggs Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding Here in the finger lakes region of Central NY I feed by placing an extra deep super on top of my 2 box overwintering hive. Then using gallon jars inverted (12-15 small holes in the lid) over the hole in the inner cover I can feed without disturbing the colony. I leave this setup in place with the outer cover on the extra deep super so first thing in february or march I can start feeding as needed. However I leave a heavy rock or cinderblock on the top to prevent wind blow outs and use a small patch to cover the hole during the deep dark winter(also prevents mouse entrance). Mike >I have two colonies in E TN that are a bit weak on stores and feel I may >need to feed them possibly thru the winter. Having just returned to >beekeeping I have no frames of honey to give them. I seem to recall a >discussion some months ago about in-hive feeders 'on the cheap'. I don't >have division board feeders. Are there reasonable (all opinions >appreciated) home-made alternatives for providing in-hive feeding during the >winter. > >Logan VanLeigh ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:15:14 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Moyer Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding In-Reply-To: <199510201147.HAA29024@cosmail4.ctd.ornl.gov> On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, Logan Vanleigh wrote: > I have two colonies in E TN that are a bit weak on stores and feel I may > need to feed them possibly thru the winter. Having just returned to > beekeeping I have no frames of honey to give them. I seem to recall a > discussion some months ago about in-hive feeders 'on the cheap'. I don't > have division board feeders. Are there reasonable (all opinions > appreciated) home-made alternatives for providing in-hive feeding during the > winter. Our bee inspector's (Bart Smih's) favorite method of supplemental feeding: Use a 1 gal. ZipLoc bag filled 3/4 with sugar syrup. Close top getting as much of the remaining air out as possible. Lay the bag flat on top of the top bars and cut a slit in the middle (top side) of the flattened bag. The syrup will not run out! The bees climb on top of the bag and suck the syrup out until the bag is completely empty. Put a shallow super over this arrangement and cover the hive. Easy, huh? John Moyer, Maryland Beekeeper ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:03:14 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding > On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, Logan Vanleigh wrote: > > > I have two colonies in E TN that are a bit weak on stores and feel I may > > need to feed them possibly thru the winter. Having just returned to > > beekeeping I have no frames of honey to give them. I seem to recall a > > discussion some months ago about in-hive feeders 'on the cheap'. I don't > > have division board feeders. Are there reasonable (all opinions > > appreciated) home-made alternatives for providing in-hive feeding during the > > winter. > > Our bee inspector's (Bart Smih's) favorite method of supplemental feeding: > Use a 1 gal. ZipLoc bag filled 3/4 with sugar syrup. Close top > getting as much of the remaining air out as possible. Lay the bag flat on > top of the top bars and cut a slit in the middle (top side) of the > flattened bag. The syrup will not run out! The bees climb on top of > the bag and suck the syrup out until the bag is completely empty. Put a > shallow super over this arrangement and cover the hive. Easy, huh? > > John Moyer, Maryland Beekeeper > DID U C THE ARTICLE, "FEEDERS: THE FULL STORY--For the `beeginner' who wants the full scoop on all types of feeders, past and present," IN AMER BEE JOURNAL (SEP 95, PP 609-612, W/ 8 FOTOS)? Jack the B-man ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | of gold." Ellicott City (founded 1772) | --Shakespeare Maryland usa 21042 | Hobbyist - 20 hives! | Italian bees (19oct95 0900) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 3-1/2 decades a B-man ************************************************************** ********************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:17:22 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding > Here in the finger lakes region of Central NY > > I feed by placing an extra deep super on top of my 2 box overwintering > hive. Then using gallon jars inverted (12-15 small holes in the lid) over > the hole in the inner cover I can feed without disturbing the colony. I > leave this setup in place with the outer cover on the extra deep super so > first thing in february or march I can start feeding as needed. However I > leave a heavy rock or cinderblock on the top to prevent wind blow outs and > use a small patch to cover the hole during the deep dark winter(also > prevents mouse entrance). > > Mike > > > >I have two colonies in E TN that are a bit weak on stores and feel I may > >need to feed them possibly thru the winter. Having just returned to > >beekeeping I have no frames of honey to give them. I seem to recall a > >discussion some months ago about in-hive feeders 'on the cheap'. I don't > >have division board feeders. Are there reasonable (all opinions > >appreciated) home-made alternatives for providing in-hive feeding during the > >winter. > > > >Logan VanLeigh > I USE BOARDMAN FEEDEERS W/ HALF GALLON GLASS JARS (ON BOTTOM BOARD). EASY TO SEE WHEN MT--NO HIVE DISMANTLING NEC. ON WEAK HIVES (DETERMINED BY HEFTING) I'LL USE TWO. STARTED ON SEP 1, ALL 20 HIVES WILL BEE FED THE 50-50 SUGAR SYRUP UNTIL IT IS NO LONGER TAKEN. PROCESS WILL BEGIN AGAIN AROUND MAR 1 JUST AFTER SKUNK CABBAGE BLOOMS (FIRST AVAILABLE POLLEN AROUND IDES OF FEB) AND WILL END AT BEGIN OF HONEYFLOW HERE NEAR BALTO AROUND 1 MAY WHEN BLACK LOCUST AND TULIP POPLAR BLOOMS COME IN. Jack the B-man ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | of gold." Ellicott City (founded 1772) | --Shakespeare Maryland usa 21042 | Hobbyist - 20 hives! | Italian bees (19oct95 0900) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 3-1/2 decades a B-man ************************************************************** ********************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:21:22 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding > I have two colonies in E TN that are a bit weak on stores and feel I may > need to feed them possibly thru the winter. Having just returned to > beekeeping I have no frames of honey to give them. I seem to recall a > discussion some months ago about in-hive feeders 'on the cheap'. I don't > have division board feeders. Are there reasonable (all opinions > appreciated) home-made alternatives for providing in-hive feeding during the > winter. > > Logan VanLeigh > HEY, FORGOT TO SAY THAT I USE SWEEPINGS SUGAR (bakery castoffs from floor or broken bags) purchased at 10c # (buddy and I just invested in 1,000#) and NOT the expensive store stuff for 45c#. ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | of gold." Ellicott City (founded 1772) | --Shakespeare Maryland usa 21042 | Hobbyist - 20 hives! | Italian bees (19oct95 0900) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 3-1/2 decades a B-man ************************************************************** ********************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:22:02 GMT+0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "MORGAN, ANTHONY" Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding In answer to a question from Logan VanLeigh Mike Griggs wrote: > I feed by placing an extra deep super on top of my 2 box overwintering > hive. Then using gallon jars inverted (12-15 small holes in the lid) over > the hole in the inner cover I can feed without disturbing the colony. I > leave this setup in place with the outer cover on the extra deep super so > first thing in february or march I can start feeding as needed. However I > leave a heavy rock or cinderblock on the top to prevent wind blow outs and > use a small patch to cover the hole during the deep dark winter(also > prevents mouse entrance). Hei! I wish it was as easy as that! Here it is too cold to leave a feeding chamber on over winter without really good insulation (overcomeable) and I have doubts about the rock on top working in our winter storms. I would like too ask a subsidiary question: Given that it is v. early in spring and the bees have not emerged yet how do most people check (if they do) on amount of stores left? Look in when it is still very cold? Use a weighing system? or what? I would make the effort to think out and construct a ready mounted "feeder interface" to leave on over the winter if I could reach a conclusion about the best method of checking stores. Oh yes, as an addition the same "interface" should allow introduction of pollen substitute-sugar patties to get hive development going early. Cheers Tony. (63deg 26min North, 10 deg 45min East) --------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony N. Morgan (Tony) Fax: +47 73 89 62 86 "Stavshagen" E-mail: anthony@iet.hist.no Midtsandan Sor-Trondelag College 7563 MALVIK Elec. Eng. Department Norway 7005 TRONDHEIM, Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 14:26:18 GMT+0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "MORGAN, ANTHONY" Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding (b) Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding > To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Hei! I have just read Jack the B-man's posting: > DID U C THE ARTICLE, "FEEDERS: THE FULL STORY--For the > `beeginner' who wants the full scoop on all types of > feeders, past and present," IN AMER BEE JOURNAL (SEP > 95, PP 609-612, W/ 8 FOTOS)? Answer: no! Was there anything described that could be of interest? (see my previous message) Cheers Tony (23 deg 26 min North, 10deg 45min East) --------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony N. Morgan (Tony) Fax: +47 73 89 62 86 "Stavshagen" E-mail: anthony@iet.hist.no Midtsandan Sor-Trondelag College 7563 MALVIK Elec. Eng. Department Norway 7005 TRONDHEIM, Norway ---------------------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 09:27:02 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: MD Honey > Hi Dave - I agree on the meeting and speakers, > > Mike Worrell > MIKE - I EAGERLY READ THIS MEMO BECAUSE OF ITS TITLE BUT WAS SADLY SURPRISED. I'M LOOKING 4 MD HONEY. HAVE U ANY? CHEERS. JACK THE B-MAN ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | of gold." Ellicott City (founded 1772) | --Shakespeare Maryland usa 21042 | Hobbyist - 20 hives! | Italian bees (19oct95 0900) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 3-1/2 decades a B-man ************************************************************** ********************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:01:04 -0600 Reply-To: dicka@cuug.ab.ca Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: Authenticated sender is From: Allen Dick Organization: The Beekeepers Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding > I have two colonies in E TN that are a bit weak on stores and feel I > may need to feed them possibly thru the winter. Having just > returned to beekeeping I have no frames of honey to give them. I > seem to recall a discussion some months ago about in-hive feeders > 'on the cheap'. I don't have division board feeders. Are there > reasonable (all opinions appreciated) home-made alternatives for > providing in-hive feeding during the winter. Having read the replies already posted, I would add: Our experience - up here in Canada where the winters are cold and long, people have been known to feed continuously over the winter - I've done it myself. However, the hives aren't worth much in the spring, even though they survive. For some reason, feeding less than a gallon in the fall seems to condemn them rather than helping. I recommend a bulk feeder of the hivetop variety if you are too close to other beekeepers to provide a rob feeder outside the hive. Either a 2 1/2 gallon pail or a square hivetop with at least two gakllon capacity would do. If the bees don't take it, then they are either no good or the hive is full. An alternative is to wait until the first hint of spring - if you are sure they won't starve before then - and feed them at that time. It will stimulate them as well as ensure their survival. FWIW Regards Allen W. Allen Dick, Beekeeper VE6CFK Rural Route One, Swalwell, Alberta Canada T0M 1Y0 Honey. Bees, Art, & Futures ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:08:38 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding > Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding > > In answer to a question from Logan VanLeigh > Mike Griggs wrote: > > I feed by placing an extra deep super on top of my 2 box overwintering > > hive. Then using gallon jars inverted (12-15 small holes in the lid) over > > the hole in the inner cover I can feed without disturbing the colony. I > > leave this setup in place with the outer cover on the extra deep super so > > first thing in february or march I can start feeding as needed. However I > > leave a heavy rock or cinderblock on the top to prevent wind blow outs and > > use a small patch to cover the hole during the deep dark winter(also > > prevents mouse entrance). > > Hei! > I wish it was as easy as that! Here it is too cold to leave a feeding > chamber on over winter without really good insulation (overcomeable) > and I have doubts about the rock on top working in our winter storms. > > I would like too ask a subsidiary question: > Given that it is v. early in spring and the bees have not emerged yet > how do most people check (if they do) on amount of stores left? > Look in when it is still very cold? Use a weighing system? or what? > > I would make the effort to think out and construct a ready mounted > "feeder interface" to leave on over the winter if I could reach a > conclusion about the best method of checking stores. Oh yes, as an > addition the same "interface" should allow introduction of pollen > substitute-sugar patties to get hive development going early. > > Cheers Tony. (63deg 26min North, 10 deg 45min East) > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Anthony N. Morgan (Tony) Fax: +47 73 89 62 86 > "Stavshagen" E-mail: anthony@iet.hist.no > Midtsandan Sor-Trondelag College > 7563 MALVIK Elec. Eng. Department > Norway 7005 TRONDHEIM, Norway > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Tony - UR BEST SOLUTION IS TO MOVE TO EITHER FLORIDA OR CALIFORNIA OR AT LEAST MARYLAND. CHEERS. JACK THE B-MAN ************************************************************* John Iannuzzi PhD | "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd | of gold." Ellicott City (founded 1772) | --Shakespeare Maryland usa 21042 | Hobbyist - 20 hives! | Italian bees (19oct95 0900) ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org | 3-1/2 decades a B-man ************************************************************** ********************************************* ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:21:10 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: MEMO 1995/10/20 11:26 From: John E III Taylor Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding I put an empty super on top of the hive, _under_ the inner cover, and set a large glass baking dish directly on top of the frames in the hive body. I fill this with syrup and float some thin slices of styrofoam on it, not quite entirely covering the liquid surface, so the bees have access without drowning. I then put the inner and outer covers on the super. It seems best to set this up early, while the bees are still active, so that they find the feeder. John E. Taylor III W3ZID | "The opinions expressed are those of the E-Mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:37:09 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: e-mail address for S.J. Martin Does anyone have an e-mail address for S.J. Martin (National Bee Unit, Central Science Laboratory, Luddington, Strratford-upon-Avon, Warwickshire, UK? If so, you can send it to my individual address and receive my profound thanks. Adrian *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 22:37:30 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "MR WILLIAM L HUGHES JR." Subject: Re: Entrance Reducers I live in Tennessee. I can not keep mice out of my house much less my hives. If you have a mouse problem in your area then I would use entrance reducers. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 20:23:21 EDT Reply-To: Robin Wells Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robin Wells Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding On Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:15:14 -0400 you wrote: Is it possible to refill the zip-loc bags? I use a bottle similar to a boardman feeder, or a pail. Placing them inside an empty full size box, on top of the inner cover, but underneath the outer cover. >On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, Logan Vanleigh wrote: > >> I have two colonies in E TN that are a bit weak on stores and feel I may >> need to feed them possibly thru the winter. Having just returned to >> beekeeping I have no frames of honey to give them. I seem to recall a >> discussion some months ago about in-hive feeders 'on the cheap'. I don't >> have division board feeders. Are there reasonable (all opinions >> appreciated) home-made alternatives for providing in-hive feeding during the >> winter. > >Our bee inspector's (Bart Smih's) favorite method of supplemental feeding: > Use a 1 gal. ZipLoc bag filled 3/4 with sugar syrup. Close top >getting as much of the remaining air out as possible. Lay the bag flat on >top of the top bars and cut a slit in the middle (top side) of the >flattened bag. The syrup will not run out! The bees climb on top of >the bag and suck the syrup out until the bag is completely empty. Put a >shallow super over this arrangement and cover the hive. Easy, huh? > >John Moyer, Maryland Beekeeper > ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 08:59:28 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Gerard Worrell Subject: Re: BEE-L Digest - 19 Oct 1995 to 20 Oct 1995 In-Reply-To: <199510210404.AAA10382@cbl.cees.edu> In response to the question about refilling the zip-lock bags: No, we don't even try; we consider them expendable. I buy the institutional size pack of bags from Sam's Warehouse (200 bags). I make up my syrup at the house and fill 1 gal jugs and fill the zip-locks on site. Had too many problems with the bags leaking while travelling on bumpy roads to the out-apiaries. Try hefting the colony to guage amount of stores and feed all the light ones. Need to make several trips with the bags, though, not enough to do one time. Jerry Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper with 25 colonies (410)257-3267 Dunkirk,MD USA Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers Life member MD State Beekeepers Association,VP for Calvert Co. ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 10:22:26 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mike Griggs Subject: Re: Entrance Reducers This has probably come up before but regional differences in climate, plants, animals etc. can really affect the methods for managing bees. I have kept bees in North Africa, New Mexico and here in New York and not all the methods will work across the board. Guess that is part of the "Art an Experience" required of Beekeeping. Mice always get into my hives and chew up a lot of frames. This year I am going to try and find some hardware cloth that will still allow bees passage but block mice. The other problem is if I pick up a dead colony in late Feb. or early March and bring it in to clean up, I usually deliver mice to my garage in the process. Not that I dislike mice they are just a nuisance. Central NY beeKeeper >I live in Tennessee. I can not keep mice out of my house much less my >hives. If you have a mouse problem in your area then I would use >entrance reducers. ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 16:44:07 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: John Moyer Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding Comments: To: Robin Wells In-Reply-To: <199510210322.XAA08618@nic.bconnex.net> > On Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:15:14 -0400 you wrote: > > Is it possible to refill the zip-loc bags? I use a bottle similar to > a boardman > feeder, or a pail. Placing them inside an empty full size box, on top > of the > inner cover, but underneath the outer cover. No, the slit you cut into the zip-loc bag would limit the use to a one-time thing, but this technique is handy when you don't have the other feeding equipment available. John Moyer, Maryland Beekeeper ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 00:38:01 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Darlene Scribilo Subject: BVT to Jim Shoemaker Another apitherapist you may wish to contact is Amber Rose.. Besides practising bee sting therapy she is also a licenced acupuncturist. She can be reached at Starpoint Enterprises Ltd., 5419 Roosevelt St.,Bethesda, MD 20817. She too has written a book "Bee in Balance", forwarded by Charles Mraz.. If you are looking for scientific literature on Bee Venom Therapy you may wish to contact Michael Simics, #204 - 1331 15th Ave., S.W., Calgary, Alta. Canada Ph/Fx (403) 541-1877. He has written 4 books on the therapeutic effects, uses and collection of bee venom . Darlene dags@wimsey.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 18:15:15 +1200 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Nick Wallingford Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding > No, the slit you cut into the zip-loc bag would limit the use to a >one-time thing, but this technique is handy when you don't have the other >feeding equipment available. Though it has been a few years since I used plastic bags as an emergency feeder for sugar syrup, I recall that I didn't actually slit the bag, but rather poked a few holes in it. Even just a few holes around on the surface was enough to provide the feeding bees access. But I guess a slash or two would provide even faster conversion of the sugar syrup to stores. The first article I ever wrote for a bee magazine described the construction and use of a number of types of feeders, including the plastic bag. It mentions that the plastic bag was described in the August 1970 issue of the NZ Beekeeper: Doull, Keith M and Winn, R A, Waite Agricultural Research Institute, Adelaide, S.A. N Z Beekeeper, August 1970, pp 22-23. By the looks of that article, it may have been a reprint from one of the Australian bee magazines. It refers to the method being developed in the summer of 1964-65. The article on feeding and feeders that I wrote is: Wallingford, Nick. To feed or not to feed. NZ Beekeeper, Sept 1976, pp 13-16. Headings include: spring feeding winter feeding feeding dry sugar feeding sugar syrup -boardman -over the hive feeder -friction tins -division board feeder -plastic bag (around a frame) -plastic bag (on top of the hive) ------------------------------------ Nick Wallingford, President National Beekeepers Assn of NZ nickw@wave.co.nz ------------------------------------ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:43:06 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Peter Walker, Entomology Research" Subject: Re: Cheap In-Hive feeding exit ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:02:09 +0000 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Peter Walker, Entomology Research" Subject: Re: What causes shriveled wings? Hi Doug! Good question you posed! Some of the mail on the b-l, indicate varroa is to blame. Well, this has not been absolutely proven to be the 'whole' truth. Yes, sure, there is a certain link between varroa and deformed wings. But at least some current research is generally heading in the direction of varroa the vector! A carrier of viruses etc. So, there are a number of useful things you could be doing. 1. Send a sample of bees away (30-50 bees) for viral analysis. Put them in a match box. (I have no idea where you would send them in the U.S.A) 2. For colonies with serious wing damage, try and record the mite drop per day. 3. Certainly treat your colony with an acaricide if you have varroa! And you could consider looking at the following references DeJong,D. et al (1982) Weight loss and other damage to developing worker honeybees from infestation with Varroa. J.Apic.Res. 21(3):165-167 Marcangeli,J. et al (1992) Malformations produced by Varroa on Apis in the province of Buenos Aires,Argentina. Apidologie 23:399-402. Bailey,L.& Ball,B.V. (1991) Honeybee pathology (2nd ed). Academic press,London. Anyway, good luck and let me know how you got on! Cheers Peter ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 15:09:25 CST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vladimir Ptacek Subject: Re: What causes shriveled wings? Friends, I was not able to follow the whole discussion devoted to this phenomenon so be so kind and excusse me if I would repeat anything written earlier. As far as I know shriveled wings point with the highest probability at the heawy demage of adult bees caused by the tracheal mite Acarapis woodi Rennie. The first tracheal trunk in thorax should be investigated under a microscope to see if different developing stages of mites live in it. Best regards, Vladimir Ptacek ptacek@sci.muni.cz phone: ..44/5/41129 562 Fac. Sci., Dpt. Anim. Physiol. fax: ..44/5/41211 214 Masaryk University. 611 37 Brno, Czech Republ. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:18:36 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: What causes shriveled wings? > Hi Doug! > Good question you posed! Some of the mail on the b-l, indicate varroa is to > blame. Well, this has not been absolutely proven to be the 'whole' truth. > Yes, sure, there is a certain link between varroa and deformed wings. > But at least some current research is generally heading in the direction of > varroa the vector! A carrier of viruses etc. > So, there are a number of useful things you could be doing. > > 1. Send a sample of bees away (30-50 bees) for viral analysis. Put them in a > match box. (I have no idea where you would send them in the U.S.A) > > 2. For colonies with serious wing damage, try and record the mite drop per > day. > > 3. Certainly treat your colony with an acaricide if you have varroa! > > And you could consider looking at the following references > > DeJong,D. et al (1982) Weight loss and other damage to developing worker > honeybees from infestation with Varroa. J.Apic.Res. 21(3):165-167 > > Marcangeli,J. et al (1992) Malformations produced by Varroa on Apis in the > province of Buenos Aires,Argentina. Apidologie 23:399-402. > > Bailey,L.& Ball,B.V. (1991) Honeybee pathology (2nd ed). Academic > press,London. > > Anyway, good luck and let me know how you got on! > > Cheers Peter > SEND DEFORMED BEES TO THE AGRIC RESEARCH CENTER BELTSVILLE MARYLAND USA ATTN: Dr. Hachiro Shimanuki for expert analysis. IT'S FREE. John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:29:16 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Reducers??? Comments: To: fkovac@CapAccess.org 1. I have n e v e r had a mouse in a living hive. 2. If I can't get my baby finger into the bottom board opening, no Maryland usa mouse of any dimensions has ever gotten in. 3. I always run the s h a l l o w side of the BB up. 4. Entrance reducers mean extra cost and extra work. 5. I have n e v e r used an entrance reducer in 35 consecutive years of beekeeping. Ciao - still learning, however. Jack the B-man John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 12:28:53 -0400 Reply-To: aa2363@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Kevin R. Palm" Subject: Hive size?? Hello all, I am a new beekeeper (1st time overwintering a colony) and I have a question. I currently have the "standard" hive config- uration of two deep supers per colony (only 1 hive, anyway). I use medium depth supers for extraction. Would it hurt anything to make two colonies from my one in the spring by splitting up my deeps and making each colony one deep with one medium? I would, of course, requeen the queenless half and wouldn't really expect much in the way of surplus honey next year. I live in Grafton, Ohio, which is about 25 miles SW of Cleveland. I'd like to get another colony next year, and this seems to be one of the cheapest ways to do it using equip- ment I have on hand. Any advice would be appreciated!! Thanks, Kevin Palm -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Why would a haddock kill itself? Why am I even asking that question?" Dave Lister - RED DWARF ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 10:40:37 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: WILLIAM G LORD Subject: feeding bees I'll weigh in with my feeding methods. I like gallon glass jars, you can get them from any institutional food user (restaurants, Subway is a good one). Poke 3 - 6 holes with an 8 penny nail in the lid. You can feed one jar at a time with a plywod lid with a single hole drilled in the center or invert up to 5 inside an empty deep box. Glass jarrs let you see the level of sugar and the amount of crud in the jar. I use a 55 gallon plastic tank with a small electric motor (Finco brand) that I have a 50 ft garden hose attached to. You can fill a gallon jar in about 30 seconds and there is no lugging and sloshing sugar water around the bee yard. The pump will run off a 12 volt battery and is easy to rig up. you can get the pump/tank combination at many farm stores, they are set up to spray pesticides, just take off the spray wand and hook up a hose. Mine was about $150 and it saves a lot of time and even more mess. Bill Lord Louisburg, NC -- WILLIAM G LORD E-Mail : wglord@franklin Internet: wglord@franklin.ces.ncsu.edu Phone : 9194963344 ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 13:41:44 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Jeffrey P. Murray" Subject: Re: Hive size?? Comments: To: aa2363@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu In-Reply-To: <199510231628.AA02347@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> (aa2363@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu) >Hello all, > > I am a new beekeeper (1st time overwintering a colony) >and I have a question. I currently have the "standard" hive config- >uration of two deep supers per colony (only 1 hive, anyway). I use >medium depth supers for extraction. Would it hurt anything to >make two colonies from my one in the spring by splitting up my deeps >and making each colony one deep with one medium? I would, of course, >requeen the queenless half and wouldn't really expect much in the way >of surplus honey next year. I live in Grafton, Ohio, which is about >25 miles SW of Cleveland. I'd like to get another colony next year, >and this seems to be one of the cheapest ways to do it using equip- >ment I have on hand. Any advice would be appreciated!! > >Thanks, >Kevin Palm > Kevin, This is a perfectly reasonable thing to do, but as you mentioned, you should not expect surplus honey during next year, unless you have/get unusually fecund queens. Jeef ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 16:23:48 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Marion D. Ellis" Subject: Bee Tidings Newsletter Bee Tidings is a bimonthly Newsletter published jointly by the University of Nebraska Cooperative Extension Service and the Nebraska Honey Producers Association. The newsletter is accessible to WWW users at the following URL: http://ianrwww.unl.edu/ianr/entomol/beekpg/beekpg.htm This site currently contains two issues including the program for the October 28, 1995 Beekeeping Field Day at Mead, Nebraska and the November 17-18, 1995 Nebraska Honey Producers Association Convention at Lincoln, Nebraska. The newsletter is also available as hard copy by subscription for $10.00 per year. You may request a sample copy and subscription application by sending an e-mail request to: mellis@unlinfo.unl.edu (Marion D. Ellis) Marion Ellis, mellis@unlinfo.unl.edu ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 18:45:16 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Brian Tassey Subject: Montana Beekeepers Assoc. Could someone provide me with the address for the Montana State Beekeepers Assoc. Thanks Kaykin@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 22:44:54 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "William Nelson@Aol.Com" Subject: Re: Beekeeping merit Badge Update To bad about the beekeeping merit badge. I have a Son who is 11 and is becoming a scout soon, weblos now. However if the scouts don't want the young bee keepers, then maybe we can redirect our efforts to the 4H'ers and they don't care what gender the youngster is. My Son just completed his first year of beekeeping for our local 4H and did very well and enjoyed it alot. He received a State Fair entry on this try and did well at State. The State of Indiana had entries from 4Her's from 28 counties for first year beekeepers and more for the advanced class. There are 98 or 99 counties eligible to send one or two entries in each class. There are also classes for showing bee products for commercial beekeepers and adult hobbiests. In addition there is an old timey Ag Building at the Fair run by Purdue and the various beekeepign clubs take turns running the candle dipping exhibit. These candles are sold to support the State Beekeeping Organization. So if the Scouts think were just too small then lets concentrate on 4H. You don't need to live on a farm to belong to 4H. Some of the newer larger 4H clubs are in more urban areas. The bottom line is we need more youngsters interested in bees. Bill Nelson, AKA: Apiarist 4 Hives more or less North Liberty, IN. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:42:54 PDT Reply-To: m12345@cybernet.co.nz Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Mark Horsnell Subject: swarms & things hello fellow beekeepers, well, this is my first season and things are finally underway here in new zealand. i went to check the food status of my hive a couple of days ago, & lo & behold there was a BIG swarm on a fence post - not 10m away from my hive! at first i thought they may have been part of mine but a quick inspection of my numbers & vigilance in destroying queen cells over the past month showed that not to be the case. i siezed the opportunity to broaden my (so far 2 month) beekeeping experience. i drew out my trusty textbook like a six shooter, and hurriedly flicked to the swarm section.... i gathered up most of the swarm in a cardboard box and placed them in a new single brood chamber hive (near my other one). silly me! i did it in the middle of the afternoon (not evening), so when i went back today the other half of the swarm (yesterday's foragers) was still on the fence post. just as i was about to gather them up and place them with the others they flew off in a great cloud. my great fear now is that the queen has gone with the swarm, and i'm left with a few thousand workers. if she's not there i'll just unite them with my first hive, but i'd like to know as soon as poss. i guess the only way to tell if i got the queen is to keep checking for eggs. how long will it be before she starts laying? please.... any advice from the experts will be appreciated. Mark Horsnell, Tel & Fax: 64-9-846-5644 E-mail: m12345@cybernet.co.nz ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:48:29 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul O'Connor Subject: Re: Beekeeping merit Badge Update ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAA1F6.E93FA8C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now theres a great idea. Have a daughter involved with 4H and beekeeping = would be a perfect project for these kids..The level of supervision and = involvment over time is much greater also.. ---------- From: William Nelson@Aol.Com[SMTP:Apiarist@AOL.COM] Sent: Monday, October 23, 1995 10:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Subject: Re: Beekeeping merit Badge Update To bad about the beekeeping merit badge. I have a Son who is 11 and is becoming a scout soon, weblos now. However if the scouts don't want the young bee keepers, then maybe we can redirect our efforts to the 4H'ers = and they don't care what gender the youngster is. My Son just completed his first year of beekeeping for our local 4H and did very well and enjoyed = it alot. He received a State Fair entry on this try and did well at = State. The State of Indiana had entries from 4Her's from 28 counties for first = year beekeepers and more for the advanced class. There are 98 or 99 counties eligible to send one or two entries in each class. There are also = classes for showing bee products for commercial beekeepers and adult hobbiests. = In addition there is an old timey Ag Building at the Fair run by Purdue and = the various beekeepign clubs take turns running the candle dipping exhibit. These candles are sold to support the State Beekeeping Organization. So if the Scouts think were just too small then lets concentrate on 4H. = You don't need to live on a farm to belong to 4H. Some of the newer larger = 4H clubs are in more urban areas. The bottom line is we need more youngsters interested in bees. 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If you know of other beekeepers who have e-mail addresses in these two states but may not see this note, please forward their addresses to me for a one-time message to them. Please respond to Tew.1@osu.edu and not to the net. Thanks Jim Tew --=====================_814554119==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ************************************************************ * James E. Tew * Tew.1@OSU.EDU * * Department of Entomology * (216)263-3684 * * OARDC/The Ohio State University * (216)264-1124 * * Wooster, Ohio 44691 * FAX (216)262-2720 * ************************************************************ --=====================_814554119==_-- ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 23:21:52 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Keith Murray Subject: Re: Beekeeping equipment -un (de)capping? In-Reply-To: <199509250320.XAA22581@remus.ultranet.com> We use the electric , hand held capper only when the capping is especially heavy. I find that a regular table fork dragged across the caps is enough to free up the honey. We have three hives and averaged about 160#/hive this fall. How was harvest in other areas? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keith Murray * Don't worry about people stealing St.Mary's Academy * an idea. If it's original, you 550 Wellington cres. * will have to ram it down their Winnipeg, Manitoba * throats. -H. Aiken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 16:12:01 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Robert Henderson/WSIU-TV Subject: Re: Hex Jars, still lookin'! >Thanks to Paul Walton for the distributor of hex jars across the >Atlantic! I should have been more specific in my query. I'm still >looking for a supplier of hexagonal jars in the States. If anyone knows >where I can find a supplier (East coast is preferable) I'd be happy to >hear. I can't find the answer to this question in the BEE-L logs, but >the question was asked in March and August '95. Perhaps the question >was answered on sci.agriculture.beekeeping? Does that forum have >archives? Was it perhaps Brushy Bee mentioned as a supplier? TIA! > >Aaron Morris - thinking there must be hex jars out there somewhere! Yes, I've ordered them from Brushy in N. Carolina. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:00:21 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Malcolm (Tom) Sanford, Florida Extension Apiculturist" Subject: October issue of APIS Distributed to: USR:[MTS]INTERNET.DIS;77, mts FILENAME: OCTAPIS.95 Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 12, Number 10 October 1995 A STABLE POLLINATION SERVICE-A la Francaise In 1976, S.E. McGregor wrote about what he called a "stable pollination service." In the "Pollinator's Bible," Agriculture Handbook 496, USDA ARS, Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants, (see July 1995 APIS) he said: "A pollination service ...must be equally interested in the welfare of the grower and the beekeeper." And, in order to be stable, according to McGregor, a pollination service should be relatively large in scope and regional in focus. He also suggested that it be based on pollination consultants that would "give equal expression in determining the services the grower needs and the fees that the beekeeper receives." Even before the advent of the personal computer, McGregor also suggested a large-scale pollination program would lend itself to computerization. For example, he concluded: "...various grower and beekeeper locations could be fed into the computer, along with dates bees might be needed and when they are available. Then the computer could, without bias, determine the nearest or most logical beekeeper available for pollination of a specific crop." To my knowledge, we have yet to see in this country any sustained stable pollination service of the kind described by McGregor. In France, however, the idea appears to have taken hold. Dr. Bernard Vaissiere, a Texas A & M Graduate, now a pollination researcher at the Laboratoire de Pollinisation Entomophile, INRA Unite de Zoologie, 84914 Avignon Cedex 9, France, FAX (33) 90.31.62.70, Tel. (33) 90.31.61.69 (email: bernard.vaissiere@avignon.inra.fr), wrote the following in his contribution to the notes of a Workshop on Bees for Pollination, Brussels, 2-3 March, 1992: "...there was often little cooperation among the beekeepers renting colonies for pollination to define a pollination service. Indeed, the production of honey or other bee products remained the prime activity while commercial pollination was usually regarded as a side business." "...it is symptomatic," Dr. Vaissiere continued, "that the beekeeper association which claims to represent most of the commercial beekeepers calls itself the Syndicat des Producteurs de Miel Francais (French Honey Producers Association). Clearly it is a honey producing association; there is no mention of pollination. ...colonies rented to growers varied considerably among beekeepers and from season to season, depending upon the expected nectar flow and the price of honey. Colonies were usually managed with little regard to the crop to pollinate and there was little, if any, monitoring of the foraging activity at hive entrance or in the target crop once the colonies were delivered." These conditions mirror those found in much of the United States today (see March 1995 APIS). Several things occurred in France, however, that have stimulated beekeepers to take a second look at commercial pollination. In the process, they developed, what Dr. Vaissiere says is "a fairly original solution." It looks a lot like that envisioned by McGregor almost two decades ago. The first pivotal event, according to Dr. Vaissiere, was year- around availability of bumblebee colonies in southern France. In 1989, growers were given an alternative to the haphazard commercial honey bee pollination efforts of the past. Bumblebee companies used a combination of sleek marketing brochures, monitoring and replacement of defective colonies and followup observations of foraging activity in field to tap the lucrative greenhouse tomato pollination market. A monthly fee structure (instead of per colony) was instituted along with a pollination per unit area of crop. In spite of relatively high prices, growers jumped at the opportunity to take advantage of these services. Previously, the only alternative was hand pollination. Bumblebees (B. terrestris) now pollinate all commercial greenhouse tomatoes in southern France. In the latter part of 1990, honey prices declined in France. At the same time, the veterinary service in the departments (provinces) of Tarn and Garonne attempted to monitor colony movement and coordinate fluvalinate treatments for Varroa. The timing seemed propitious to consider commercial pollination as a more organized enterprise. Some ten beekeepers who knew each other and had some pollination experience joined forces. After several meetings over a period of months, the Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP (Groupement des Apiculteurs Pollinisateurs Professionels) was formed. The GRAPP association developed a set of bylaws to which each member agreed in writing. Among key provisions was a guarantee by the larger group that the maximum time span for delivery/removal of colonies after notification be 48 hours, even if an individual contracting beekeeper was unable to comply. Additional guarantees were also provided, including the sanitary condition and size of colonies. Other factors were key to the GRAPP. All members shared a strong interest in pollination and used most of their colonies in this activity. Members considered branching out into bumblebee culture, a logical next step (See July 1995 APIS), but this did not materialize. The GRAPP was also composed of "professionals"; only full-time beekeepers could join. The group insisted on a professional image and believed that including part-time beekeepers would not be profitable. In practical terms, beekeepers seeking entry had to have at least 300 colonies, be sponsored by two current members and be admitted by the majority of a five-person governing board. The board's decision was final with little chance for appeal. The Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP used marketing strategies not available to individual beekeepers. These included a brochure mailed to all growers in the region and a computer bulletin board providing information on an array of pollination questions. The GRAPP also provided growers with a free evaluation of their pollination requirements in relation to their current agricultural practices. Members were in contact with most grower organizations and gave interviews to journalists and appeared on television. Each GRAPP member joined with an established customer base, which remained with the beekeeper. New customers, however, were allocated by the secretary based on geographic location; the nearest member got first choice. All members used standard contract and billing forms. Based on bills submitted, a voluntary assessment was requested to support GRAPP activities, which included a part-time secretary and the printing of informational materials for distribution to growers. The fee structure was decided by majority vote by the general assembly (all GRAPP members) which met 4 to 5 times per year. There was a base fee for standard service; on top of this, extra charges were assessed. These included feeding colonies upon arrival, inserting pollen traps and/or implementing "flash pollination" (scheduling bees to arrive with 24 hours notice instead of 48). Of more than passing interest, the fee structure was designed to provoke growers into asking questions about the precise meaning of each possible option and advantage of its use. Although many members believed the rates were not high enough, there was optimism they could be raised once growers were familiar with the quality of service provided. A final step implemented by the Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP in 1991, according to Dr. Vaissiere was registering its name, bylaws and logo with the INPI (Institut National de la Propriete Industrielle). This meant that other organizations using the name or logo, must endorse the bylaws. These specify, among other things, that only one GRAPP exist per administrative region (22 of these exist in France). Members must agree to the definition of a pollination service adapted to each crop, including: (1) determining minimum quality standards; (2) monitoring foraging and resultant pollination; and (3) using a base fee per hive. GRAPPs are free to support any research they desire, but must share the results with all others, and apart from those mentioned above, any GRAPP can develop its own set of internal rules and/or organization. Finally, every association must agree to take part in a national body of GRAPPs to make more uniform, the language, rates and service specified in the pollination contracts. More recent information from Dr. Vaissiere indicates the GRAPP Midi-Pyrenees disbanded two years ago. There is indication, however, that it is likely to be restarted. Two others, on the other hand (GRAPP Rhone-Alpes and GRAPP Mediterranee) are active and growing. The latter had a gross income of $300,000 last year. The formation of the national organization did occur in 1994, but has yet to be fully functional. Beyond the many advantages noted above concerning GRAPPs, there exists, according to Dr. Vaissiere, a unique opportunity for these associations to define and carry out needed pollination research. As an example, consider the present differences between bumblebee and honey bee providers in France. The former charge by unit area for greenhouse tomatoes, but by colony for crops grown in the open. Honey bee providers only use the latter method. Perhaps, under the dictates of a GRAPP, honey bee keepers will also shift to charging by unit area, not only inside greenhouses, but outside in the field. This focuses on what a pollination service is all about, getting crops efficiently pollinated, not a stocking rate (number of hives/unit area), which is really only a means to pollinate. Dr. Vaissiere emphasizes that shifting from stocking rate to unit area is an important step because the relationship between forager density (bees/100 flowers) and pollination intensity (the number of conspecific pollen grains per floral stigma) is fairly close. The relationship between forager density and stocking rate, however, can fluctuate considerably based on other floral resources nearby the target crop and other environmental conditions. As long as the price of pollination is on a per/colony basis, Dr. Vaissiere says, some solution is needed to guard against the vagaries of environmental factors. The usual method, "saturating" the target areas with imported pollinators, is costly to both farmers and beekeepers. In addition, growers may not understand the subtleties involved when a neighbor gets a good crop with a stocking rate of one colony/acre while he is being charged for 5 colonies/acre for the "same" service. Finally, the saturation strategy ignores the effect of the native pollinator potential in an area and may backfire in some situations (apples, peaches) where too much fruit set is detrimental. In conclusion, Dr. Vaissiere says, it is essential that the pollination service be clearly defined and understood by both parties so it can be objectively evaluated and appropriately rewarded. Past experience show this to be unlikely with individual beekeepers. Increased exposure, visibility and capability of the GRAPP structure can provide orchard growers, seed producers and others with a better working knowledge of the pollination process. This allows farmers to better plan for adequate pollination and provides a guarantee of prompt delivery and proper management of their insect pollinator potential. With the advent of Varroa in the United States, commercial pollination has taken on a new meaning (see November 1993 APIS). The trials and tribulations of the individual beekeeper as a commercial pollinator are also well documented (See March 1995 APIS). Thus, it behooves beekeepers considering changing the focus of their enterprises toward pollination to consider the successes and failures of the French GRAPP experiment in establishing the world's first country-wide stable pollination service. For more information, interested persons can contact the president of the GRAPP Mediterranee, Jean Vilain, Les Bouletines F-13980 Alleins, Tel. 90.57.35.14; FAX 90.59.35.58. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV; INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:44:57 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul O'Connor Subject: Re: Beekeeping equipment -un (de)capping? ------ =_NextPart_000_01BAA249.39F0BAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uncapping no problem in Pennsylvania. After six weeks without rain the honey crop here will barely get us through the winter ! ---------- From: Keith Murray[SMTP:Keith_Murray@MBNET.MB.CA] Sent: Monday, September 25, 1995 12:21 AM To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Subject: Re: Beekeeping equipment -un (de)capping? We use the electric , hand held capper only when the capping is especially heavy. I find that a regular table fork dragged across the caps is enough to free up the honey. We have three hives and averaged about 160#/hive this fall. How was harvest in other areas? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Keith Murray * Don't worry about people stealing St.Mary's Academy * an idea. If it's original, you 550 Wellington cres. * will have to ram it down their Winnipeg, Manitoba * throats. -H. 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At 11:18 AM 10/23/95 -0400, you wrote: >> Hi Doug! >> Good question you posed! Some of the mail on the b-l, indicate varroa is to >> blame. Well, this has not been absolutely proven to be the 'whole' truth. >> Yes, sure, there is a certain link between varroa and deformed wings. >> But at least some current research is generally heading in the direction of >> varroa the vector! A carrier of viruses etc. >> So, there are a number of useful things you could be doing. >> >> 1. Send a sample of bees away (30-50 bees) for viral analysis. Put them in a >> match box. (I have no idea where you would send them in the U.S.A) >> >> 2. For colonies with serious wing damage, try and record the mite drop per >> day. >> >> 3. Certainly treat your colony with an acaricide if you have varroa! >> >> And you could consider looking at the following references >> >> DeJong,D. et al (1982) Weight loss and other damage to developing worker >> honeybees from infestation with Varroa. J.Apic.Res. 21(3):165-167 >> >> Marcangeli,J. et al (1992) Malformations produced by Varroa on Apis in the >> province of Buenos Aires,Argentina. Apidologie 23:399-402. >> >> Bailey,L.& Ball,B.V. (1991) Honeybee pathology (2nd ed). Academic >> press,London. >> >> Anyway, good luck and let me know how you got on! >> >> Cheers Peter >> > > > SEND DEFORMED BEES TO THE AGRIC RESEARCH CENTER > BELTSVILLE MARYLAND USA ATTN: Dr. Hachiro > Shimanuki for expert analysis. IT'S FREE. > John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs > 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare > Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies > ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom > > John It seems to me that the USDA has no facilities for virus testing, since they just hired Anderson from Australia to do their virus testing recently. Don Tinker HCR2 Box 9563 Keaau, HI 96749 hilodon@ilhawaii.net ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 23:34:38 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Morris Subject: Re: What causes shriveled wings? Don, In a recent message you wrote: > > John > > It seems to me that the USDA has no facilities for virus testing, since > they just hired Anderson from Australia to do their virus testing recently. > > Don Tinker > HCR2 Box 9563 > Keaau, HI 96749 > hilodon@ilhawaii.net You haven't been reading your American Bee Journals. Drs. Hachiro Shiminuki and Akey Hung from the Beltsville Bee Lab with Jean Adams (whose title I do not know) from the Beltsville Insect Biocontrol Laboratory published an article on bee viruses in the October ABJ. Earlier the Bee lab did a survey of bee viruses around the United States. At our Maryland State Beekeepers Assn. spring meeting in April this year, Dr. Shiminuki told us that the Beltsville Bee Lab is one of three in the world that is qualified to identify bee viruses. So, the answer is, yes, they are qualified to do virus testing. Regards, David Morris, President Maryland State Beekeepers Assn. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 23:38:53 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: What causes shriveled wings? > Don, > > In a recent message you wrote: > > > > John > > > > It seems to me that the USDA has no facilities for virus testing, since > > they just hired Anderson from Australia to do their virus testing recently. > > > > Don Tinker > > HCR2 Box 9563 > > Keaau, HI 96749 > > hilodon@ilhawaii.net > > You haven't been reading your American Bee Journals. Drs. Hachiro Shiminuki > and Akey Hung from the Beltsville Bee Lab with Jean Adams (whose title I do > not know) from the Beltsville Insect Biocontrol Laboratory published an > article on bee viruses in the October ABJ. Earlier the Bee lab did a survey > of bee viruses around the United States. At our Maryland State Beekeepers > Assn. spring meeting in April this year, Dr. Shiminuki told us that the > Beltsville Bee Lab is one of three in the world that is qualified to identify > bee viruses. > > So, the answer is, yes, they are qualified to do virus testing. > > Regards, > David Morris, President > Maryland State Beekeepers Assn. > DAVE: U shud bee sleeping at this hour and not sending email. I'd be in bed except that I could never get on today until now, when U R on. -:) John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:35:15 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jeremy Burbidge Subject: Bee Biz I hope the following will be of interest to beekeepers on BEE-L without them seeing it as too blatant advertising The first issue of an English language bee magazine, BEE BIZ for commercial beekeepers has now been posted world wide. Copies have been sent to 600 shareholders in Honey Corp. Australia, 300 copies to members of Bee Maid Co-op, 300 to all members of Bee Farmers in U.K., 500 copies to the largest beekeepers in New Zealand, 40 copies sent to selected beekeepers in South Africa and 2000 copies to the largest American beekeepers. Local editors are Bill Winner, 38 Goondoola Street, Redbank Planes, Queensland 4301,Australia; Fran Kay RR2 Chase, B.C. Canada; Ann Middleditch, Rock View, North Lane, Norham, Berwick upon Tweed, U.K.; Cliff van Eaton, MAF Quality Management, Private Bag, Tauranga, NZ.; Adriaan du Toit, PO Box 14861, Sinoville, Pretoria 0129 S.A.; and Joe Moffett, RR3 Box 1760, Cushing, Ok 74023 U.S.A. The editor is Matthew Allan, B.Sc. NDB, 41 George Street, Eastleigh, Hants SO50 9BT Fax & phone +1703 617969 Subscription for the three copies yearly is through the following local agents Honey Corp, PO Box 66, Richlands 4077 Australia Aus$ 30, F.W. Jones, 44 Dutch Street, Bedford, Quebec, Canada Can$20, Northern Bee Books, Scout Bottom Farm, Mytholmroyd, Hebden Bridge, U.K. #12, Ecroyd B.K. Supplies, 26b Sheffield Crescent, Burnside, Christchurch, N.Z. NZ$30, Mike Schoenveld, PO Box 811, Cullinan 1000, South Africa SAR 50, I am quite happy to send by post to any BEE-L members the first copy of Bee Biz, if you will send your mail address. Finally any commercial information of use to the editor on bees, honey or wax would be appreciated by Matthew Allan who can be contacted on ruxbury@delphi.com Jeremy Burbidge Publisher BEE BIZ Northern Bee Books, Scout Bottom Farm Mytholmroyd, Hebden Bridge, West Yorkshire (UK) Phone 1422 882751 Fax 1422 886157 E-mail Ruxbury@delphi.com ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:03:14 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Dave Green, Eastern Pollinator Newsletter" Subject: Honey Pots? Dear Bee People: My wife has been looking all over for honey pots, and find they are very scarce, even in pottery shops, etc. Does anyone know of a a good, preferably wholesale, supplier in the US, that makes, distributes, or imports honey pots? Thanks, Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service PO Box 1200 Hemingway, SC 29554 USA ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:38:23 CST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vladimir Ptacek Subject: Re: Bee Biz On Wed, 25 Oct 1995 08:35:15 -0400, Jeremy Burbidge wrote: ...... >I am quite happy to send by post to any BEE-L members the first copy of Bee >Biz, if you will send your mail address. ...... > E-mail Ruxbury@delphi.com Dear Jeremy, If this is possible I would like to receive the first sample copy of your magazine. Best wishes Vladimir Ptacek ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:38:35 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Honey Pots? > Dear Bee People: > > My wife has been looking all over for honey pots, and find they are very > scarce, even in pottery shops, etc. > > Does anyone know of a a good, preferably wholesale, supplier in the US, > that makes, distributes, or imports honey pots? > > Thanks, > > Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service > PO Box 1200 Hemingway, SC 29554 USA > THIS SHUD HELP. Contact Jim Steed/ POBox 948 Richmond KY (KY) 40475 Mr Steed ran a seven-part article in the American Bee Journal, Oct 83 to Apr 84, entitled "Collecting Honey Pots and Other Bee Paraphernalia." He lists sources from all over the US and the world, as I recall. More recently a woman ran the same type of article, single installment, in [Gleanings in ] Bee Culture (within the past two years). Can't give specifics because I don't subscribe to BC but read a friend's copy. BTW, when I attended Apimondia Nagoya 1987 Steed had me look up a Nipponese honeypot collector w/ whom he was making exchanges. Sayonara und Bonne Chance! Jack the B-man PS When a visitor stopped by from Finland two years ago he gifted us w/ a honeypot containing honey! (We don't collect HPs.) Visitors were here yesterday from TN but no honeypot, just honey! All this -- the upshot of our journal articles over the years. Mighty small world. John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 07:42:24 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Adrian Wenner Subject: Re: Addresses of agencies We recently read: > 1. Send a sample of bees away (30-50 bees) for viral analysis. Put them in > match box. (I have no idea where you would send them in the U.S.A) and: > It seems to me that the USDA has no facilities for virus testing, since >they just hired Anderson from Australia to do their virus testing recently. For addresses of various agencies, BEE CULTURE published a quite complete list in each April issue. Adrian *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:54:39 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jean-Pierre Chapleau Subject: Apimondia 99 in Canada Here is a news release of interest for all Bee-liners: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEWS RELEASE October 1, 1995 CANADA AWARDED=20 APIMONDIA CONGRESS =96=96=96 Last Canadian Congress Held In 1924 The General Assembly of Apimondia has approved Vancouver, Canada to host the 36th Congress of Apimondia, September 14=9618, 1999. Apimondia, the International Federation of Beekeepers' Associations, is located in Rome, Italy and is the umbrella organization for national beekeeper associations from around the world. =20 The federation supports the development and dissemination of information related to all aspects of beekeeping and the handling and marketing of honey and other bee hive products. Apimondia is best known throughout the international beekeeping community for its international congress on beekeeping, held every two years in different parts of the world. The chairman of the Canadian Apimondia Organizing Committee, Don Dixon says the Canadian committee has been working on the offer to host the Apimondia Congress since 1990. "The committee was formed on behalf of the Canadian Honey Council and the Canadian Association of Professional Apiculturists," says Dixon. "We made our first formal proposal to the General Assembly during the 1993 Congress in Beijing, China." Dixon says the organizing committee will plan the congress to be informative for all beekeepers, regardless of whether they manage a large commercial beekeeping operation or a small hobby sized outfit. Dr. Mark Winston of Simon Fraser University, chairman of the Scientific Program Committee for the Congress, says the congress will be helpful to people in the bee industry.=20 "It should be particularly helpful for beekeepers trying to deal with the continuing changes in the industry," says Winston. "We will deal with issues involving bee management, the control of parasitic bee mites, the impact of Africanized bees, international honey trade issues and many more topics of concern to beekeepers." The organizing committee will work closely with beekeeping industry groups in the Americas as well as Apimondia Commissions, during the planning of the Congress program. Current President of Apimondia, Dr. Raymond Borneck of Montbarry, France has viewed the Vancouver facilities and says the assembly is looking forward to holding the 1999 Congress in North America. "We are very excited about having the Congress at the world class Vancouver Trade and Convention Centre," says Borneck. I'm sure everyone will enjoy the city and its spectacular scenery." For more information on Apimondia 99, contact the Canadian Apimondia Organizing Committee. =96 30 =96 Contact: Don Dixon, Chairman Canadian Apimondia Organizing Committee 204=96945=963861 (Winnipeg, CANADA) Fax. 204-945-4327 =09 Mark Winston, Chairman Canadian Apimondia Program Committee 604-291-4459 (Vancouver, CANADA) Fax. 604-291-3496=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jean-Pierre Chapleau eleveur de reines / queen breeder vice-president du Conseil canadien du miel / Vice-president of the Canadian Honey Council 1282, rang 8, Saint-Adrien de Ham, Quebec, Canada, J0A 1C0 tel./phone (819) 828-3396; fax (819) 828-0357 chapleau@praline.net ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 11:05:22 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Bee Biz > I hope the following will be of interest to beekeepers on BEE-L without them > seeing it as too blatant advertising > > The first issue of an English language bee magazine, BEE BIZ for commercial > beekeepers has now been posted world wide. Copies have been sent to 600 > shareholders in Honey Corp. Australia, 300 copies to members of Bee Maid Co-op, > 300 to all members of Bee Farmers in U.K., 500 copies to the largest beekeepers > in New Zealand, 40 copies sent to selected beekeepers in South Africa and 2000 > copies to the largest American beekeepers. > > Local editors are Bill Winner, 38 Goondoola Street, Redbank Planes, Queensland > 4301,Australia; Fran Kay RR2 Chase, B.C. Canada; Ann Middleditch, Rock View, > North Lane, Norham, Berwick upon Tweed, U.K.; Cliff van Eaton, MAF Quality > Management, Private Bag, Tauranga, NZ.; Adriaan du Toit, PO Box 14861, > Sinoville, Pretoria 0129 S.A.; and Joe Moffett, RR3 Box 1760, Cushing, Ok 74023 > U.S.A. > > The editor is Matthew Allan, B.Sc. NDB, 41 George Street, Eastleigh, Hants SO50 > 9BT Fax & phone +1703 617969 > > Subscription for the three copies yearly is through the following local agents > Honey Corp, PO Box 66, Richlands 4077 Australia Aus$ 30, F.W. Jones, 44 Dutch > Street, Bedford, Quebec, Canada Can$20, Northern Bee Books, Scout Bottom Farm, > Mytholmroyd, Hebden Bridge, U.K. #12, Ecroyd B.K. Supplies, 26b Sheffield > Crescent, Burnside, Christchurch, N.Z. NZ$30, Mike Schoenveld, PO Box 811, > Cullinan 1000, South Africa SAR 50, > > I am quite happy to send by post to any BEE-L members the first copy of Bee > Biz, if you will send your mail address. > > Finally any commercial information of use to the editor on bees, honey or wax > would be appreciated by Matthew Allan who can be contacted on > ruxbury@delphi.com > > Jeremy Burbidge Publisher BEE BIZ Northern Bee Books, Scout Bottom Farm > Mytholmroyd, Hebden Bridge, West Yorkshire (UK) Phone 1422 882751 Fax > 1422 886157 E-mail Ruxbury@delphi.com > JERRY - Sounds great. The next time U R in contact w/ my friend Mary B Fisher in Leeds, please tell her I said "hello" from Ellicott City Md usa (near Balto). Wish ur new mag success. I'm a hobby beekeeper with 20 hives, 18 two many. Cheers und ciao. Jack B-man John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 09:12:04 +0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: wilhelm e kaosse Subject: Re: Bee Biz You write... >I hope the following will be of interest to beekeepers on BEE-L without them >seeing it as too blatant advertising and... > >The first issue of an English language bee magazine, BEE BIZ for commercial >beekeepers has now been posted world wide. >I am quite happy to send by post to any BEE-L members the first copy of Bee >Biz, if you will send your mail address. My mail address is... Stuart Grant 1834 Cliff Rd. Point Roberts, Wa. 98281 ...boulder ############################################################################ #########Therefore you are without excuse, every man of you who passes judgment, for in that you judge another, you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. {2} And we know that the judgment of God rightly falls upon those who practice such things." (Rom 2:1-2 NASB) ############################################################################ ######### ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:08:09 +0000 Reply-To: parmstrong@igc.apc.org Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "P. Armstrong" Subject: Regulations requiring food processing license Do any of you know of regulations requiring a food preperation license requirement in other states? Here in New Mexico we are facing such a requirement. If anyone has any info on how we can scientifically, or otherwise, put up an argument that has worked elsewhere we would sure appreciate your help. We are having a meeting on Oct 31 to fight against this. Thanks. Nick Melancon New Mexico Bee Keepers Assoc. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 17:52:52 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Pat DeSantis Subject: Need topic for research Dear Bee People, I am an senior undergraduate student in Biology at the University of La Verne in California. Our Department maintains a bee hive and although I have very little experience (practically none) working with bees I would like to study some aspect related to them for my senior thesis research. My advisor suggested that I post a listing to this august group to see what possiblilities might exist. Since time is a very valuable commodity I would like to do something significant which will add to the body of knowledge about bees. But my advisor suggests that cannot be too grand a project. Something that is doable in 5-8 months without extensive expendable resources. We have standard chemical instrumentation including GC-MS. Any hints would be welcome. Please send information to: Pat De Santis desantis@ulvacs.ulaverne.edu Thank you for your kind consideration. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:24:06 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Moroney Subject: Re: Reducers??? In-Reply-To: <<9510231529.AA06121@epfl2> > 5. I have n e v e r used an entrance reducer in > 35 consecutive years of beekeeping. Around here, yellowjackets would do a real number on such a hive. -Mike ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 03:39:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: Regulations requiring food processing license >From: "P. Armstrong" >Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:08:09 +0000 >Subject: Regulations requiring food processing license >Do any of you know of regulations requiring a food preperation >license requirement in other states? Here in New Mexico we are >facing such a requirement. If anyone has any info on how we can >scientifically, or otherwise, put up an argument that has worked >elsewhere we would sure appreciate your help. We are having a >meeting on Oct 31 to fight against this. Thanks. Nick Melancon >New Mexico Bee Keepers Assoc. Good Luck Nick, but it will take some work to kill such regulation if it is well sponsored like by the state health department or some organization. (It may also be someone within your own group that is after his competition, you need to know.) I don't know of any regulations requiring on farm honey processing plants to be regulated as a "food preparation" site like say a Taco Bell or even a Mexican tortilla factory . Realistic inspection's that would include beekeeper's honey processing plants will take away from the little inspection that is now going on in other areas. (Find out how many time's the greasy spoon's in your town are being inspected. You may be surprised that they are only checked once a year or less or if someone complains enough, more often. Also find out the number of reported illness from your state health department.) To defeat this kind of legislation the first thing you have to do is find out who is pushing it and why. If it is just another plan to increase your taxes you many have a better shot at killing it then if it's in response to people becoming ill or just concerned because they found some bee part's in some honey they were given by their neighbor who has some bee's. Or if there is some beekeeper who is a neighborhood nuisance because bee's are robbing honey drums or some other dumb stunt beekeeper's are know to pull. Honey extraction is a specialized "on farm" or back yard seasonal event and does not warrant the same degree of on site inspection as other "food preparation" sites. The cost of such activity is high because of the seasonal nature and isolation of these operations and would not be covered by normal or reasonable licence fee's and would add to the budget for inspection already mandated or reduce valuable man day's from that important job. The number of complaint's of illness or food poisoning from eating Honey processed on the farm does not exist and in total is the lowest of all farm processed foods. In many medium to larger operation's honey produced on the farm is further processed by the first handler where inspection is mandatory, both local and federal. Honey produced by producers who use the Farm Loan Program is covered by USDA specialized Honey Inspections to qualify for government programs and is inspected. (check with your state health department to see what is going on if anything, also find out who is pushing for the new legislation. You may find some group or person that has a hard on for beekeeper's or just some nut who think's all farmers should be regulated to the hilt since you we all get so much help (cash) from the government.) Today 99% of the time you are just facing a plan to increase government income and not any realistic effort to clean up the honey producing industry. (Find out what your state beekeeper's are already paying in county and state taxes for being beekeepers.) Most state legislator's will listen to beekeeper's, we are rare birds and a interesting lot. Bee sure you have a small group of beekeepers who are prepared to discuss the issue and have a FIRM position that they are not afraid to "say it the way they see it". Ask to testify at any public hearing and do that. Ask for more public hearings, make a record to back your own position. Do not compromise your own position leave that to the politicians they will do it to you anyway and any weakening of your position will be taken advantage of. Having some political sense can be very helpful, find out which side is pushing the bill and what the leadership position is on it. You must meet with member of both sides, but suck up to the one that is not sponsoring it and if God is watching out for you they will be the majority party and more then willing to help you kill any plan for new laws. Legal help from one of the capital lawyers can be helpful but will not get it done. They can open doors, and show you the process but unless there are some big bucks involved you all are going to have to do the work. Meet one on one with your own representatives. Get the support of other farm group's, but do NOT let them carry your ball or you may find you have one less. Now if the honey producer's in your state contain more then a few people who still extract in tent's or in old barn's with dirt floors you may not want to do anything and let nature .err government take it tole. Two states I have worked in have made different run's on cleaning up the beekeeper's and normally these last one season and that's the last you hear of them for years or never.Beekeeper's have cleaned up over the years from what it once was, which was satisfactory at the time, but is not today. Some of this was good and needed, but one thing that was done that was bad was a crack down by the USDA that finished off the portable and out yard extracting. I believe that if we were still doing it it the field today we would be producing more for less and not have the problems with our bee's we do have today. I also think we would be doing it a van that would be just as clean as any permanent site, but those day's are gone and I don't think that is your problem. Over the year's my honey house has been targeted for inspection by every government agency there is. Some of this has benefited me and some of it has been enough to cause any beekeeper to brake up and roll on the floor. California several time's has got a wild hair to inspect honey extracting plants. One such visit came when I was out of state. At the time I had just installed the top of the line extracting equipment, I was on the cutting edge then, not the bleeding one like now. This included a wonderful flash heater and centrifuge that separated out the honey and melted the wax. Had to add a new 200 amp service for that one. This machine was the early stage of development of the Cook & Beals Separator. Anyway the first tizzy the inspector pulled was when he saw the lifelike rubber plucked chicken that hung over the fancy imported Penrose uncapping machine. "You can't do that in here, you need to get a different licence to do both chicken's and honey in the same place." God's truth, he really believed that we were plucking chicken's with the same machine we uncapped honey combs so my long time help told me. This guy was so shook up he did not notice that at the time all the honey from the two big Kelley extractors and the cappings drained into a very large sump and that sump was covered by boards that the man who loaded the extractor stood on, not a very good set up that I changed the next season without any input from any inspector. Everything was A OK when he found a wonderful and well built screen that fit over a 55 gal drum that he assumed we screened the honey through. Actually we only used it when we were taking the tank's down and wanted to salvage any wax or junk left in the tank that we did not want plugging up the drain or septic system. The honey that went in these tanks was ready for shipment and required no further processing other then putting it in the drums and weighing it. This guy did leave two legal size pages of suggestions, mostly unrealistic thing's like fixing all the etching in the floor made by the acid honey eating the cement. The only thing I could do was take that chicken down. He never showed up again. Mousses americanis, or just mouse droppings was found in the basement of my three story honey house on the western slopes of the Rockies in Colorado. Some federal money was received to do a Honey House inspection in Colorado and I was targeted. A young collage kid was hired for the part time job and showed up with a flash light and found 4 or 5 little smart pills in the basement that was plugged full of 55 gal drums of clover honey in storage for the winter and under loan. That was all he could find but enough to make him understandably happy in his work. With no help from me when inspecting the upper storage area he lost his carefully packaged and labeled packet of smart pills. He had to use a flash light as I already had shut this operation down for the winter and turned off the utilities, including taking in the gas meter that were know to bust from the very low temps when not in use. Anyway I did not want him to go back to the eastern slopes and Denver without any smart pills and wanted to see just how far they would go with evidence like this that had to be sent out to a lab for identification when any dam fool could see what it was so I took him back down to the basement and moved a few drums around so he could find another sample of smart pills. Months later I received this official looking letter from the state and included was the lavatory report that the smart pill were indeed the spore of the mousses americanis and not fossilized buffalo chips which I had framed and hung on the wall in one of my offices. The last time I was inspected was several years ago when a real lawyer-doctor type state health department man showed up at my front door about noon and demanded to inspect my honey house which is several miles away from my home. After several hours of filling his head with all the legal reason's he would do that over my dead body I decided to let him do his job without further blood shed when he changed the demand to a polite request much to the surprise and amusement of a farmer friend who was visiting and enjoying every minute. The inspection was a joy to watch, and the guy could not believe what he was looking at and saw no reason for any more Honey House inspections as we were not at all what he expected and only made one suggestion that I cover the florescent tube's with plastic tubing and I did that as it was a good idea having cleaned a broken one's out of a wax vat once. I would have never know that these new at the time safety tubes were then available if this guy had not shown up and it was a positive experience, one of few and still not enough to open my door's to the public or any government agent without the proper paper work and introduction. I did have two county health people show up once in a fit to inspect all honey houses but one call to the board of supervisor's put them back on the right track. Thousands of people suffer from improper food handling every year in my area, most of it from food served at restaurants and gatherings. These place's are only inspected once a year with prior notice because of budget and manpower considerations that have not gotten any better over the years. Beekeeper's and the Honey they produce should be so low on the list of things that government should worry about as far as new laws that no one should waste the time. If it ain't broke no reason to brake it and it would not take much to do that as these are the hard day's for many beekeepers. Good Luck and I hope you will keep us posted. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinion is not necessarily fact. --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ This l l tagline has l l a few l l bees in it... ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:33:29 CST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Vladimir Ptacek Subject: Apology Friends, excuse please my disturbing you by the personal message which unintentionaly went through the whole net. Vladimir Ptacek. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:50:49 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Wesley A Voigt Jr Subject: Refining Wax I have been on Bee-L for little over a month and I have enjoyied hearing what all of you have to say. It's neat seeing responses from all over the world. I am in the process of refining wax from bees I removed from a tree fallen by a storm. I have managed to remove the dead bees and large chunks of debris (done by warming in a large pot of water and then filtering - I'm glad I will have my solar melter ready for next summer...) but I still have small specks left in the wax that filtering with cheese cloth does not remove. Do any of you have ideas on removing them? I am looking forward to hearing them. Your help is much appreciated. Wesley A Voigt ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:14:28 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Kelley Rosenlund Subject: Hives Wanted Hello all, If you know of anyone selling hives in Florida or South Georgia please let me know. Thank you God Bless, Kelley Rosenlund Gainesville, Fla. U.S.A., 32 hives ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:34:02 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Reducers??? > > 5. I have n e v e r used an entrance reducer in > > 35 consecutive years of beekeeping. > > Around here, yellowjackets would do a real number on such a hive. > > -Mike > REPLY: Tres` interessant. But where is "around here?" In the Free State? Jack the B-man John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:40:41 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Refining Wax > I have been on Bee-L for little over a month and I have enjoyied > hearing what all of you have to say. It's neat seeing responses from all > over the world. > > I am in the process of refining wax from bees I removed from a tree > fallen by a storm. I have managed to remove the dead bees and large chunks of > debris (done by warming in a large pot of water and then filtering - I'm glad > I will have my solar melter ready for next summer...) but I still have small > specks left in the wax that filtering with cheese cloth does not remove. Do > any of you have ideas on removing them? I am looking forward to hearing them. > Your help is much appreciated. > > Wesley A Voigt > REPLY: The SWM is the easiest and fastest way to do it. Still operating mine right now, after having "extracted" 9 shallow frames of honey in it, with milk filters, of course. This is the Balto area and sunshine is still available for melting despite the frosty morns. Jack the B-man John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 08:44:39 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Regulations requiring food processing license > >From: "P. Armstrong" > >Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:08:09 +0000 > >Subject: Regulations requiring food processing license > > >Do any of you know of regulations requiring a food preperation > >license requirement in other states? Here in New Mexico we are > >facing such a requirement. If anyone has any info on how we can > >scientifically, or otherwise, put up an argument that has worked > >elsewhere we would sure appreciate your help. We are having a > >meeting on Oct 31 to fight against this. Thanks. Nick Melancon > >New Mexico Bee Keepers Assoc. > > Good Luck Nick, but it will take some work to kill such regulation > if it is well sponsored like by the state health department or some > organization. (It may also be someone within your own group that is > after his competition, you need to know.) > > I don't know of any regulations requiring on farm honey processing > plants to be regulated as a "food preparation" site like say a Taco > Bell or even a Mexican tortilla factory . Realistic inspection's that > would include beekeeper's honey processing plants will take away from > the little inspection that is now going on in other areas. (Find out how > many time's the greasy spoon's in your town are being inspected. You may > be surprised that they are only checked once a year or less or if > someone complains enough, more often. Also find out the number of > reported illness from your state health department.) > > To defeat this kind of legislation the first thing you have to do > is find out who is pushing it and why. If it is just another plan > to increase your taxes you many have a better shot at killing it > then if it's in response to people becoming ill or just concerned > because they found some bee part's in some honey they were given > by their neighbor who has some bee's. Or if there is some beekeeper > who is a neighborhood nuisance because bee's are robbing honey drums > or some other dumb stunt beekeeper's are know to pull. > > Honey extraction is a specialized "on farm" or back yard seasonal event > and does not warrant the same degree of on site inspection as other > "food preparation" sites. The cost of such activity is high because of > the seasonal nature and isolation of these operations and would not be > covered by normal or reasonable licence fee's and would add to the > budget for inspection already mandated or reduce valuable man day's from > that important job. The number of complaint's of illness or food > poisoning from eating Honey processed on the farm does not exist and in > total is the lowest of all farm processed foods. In many medium to > larger operation's honey produced on the farm is further processed by > the first handler where inspection is mandatory, both local and federal. > Honey produced by producers who use the Farm Loan Program is covered by > USDA specialized Honey Inspections to qualify for government programs > and is inspected. > > (check with your state health department to see what is going on if > anything, also find out who is pushing for the new legislation. You may > find some group or person that has a hard on for beekeeper's or just > some nut who think's all farmers should be regulated to the hilt since > you we all get so much help (cash) from the government.) > > Today 99% of the time you are just facing a plan to increase government > income and not any realistic effort to clean up the honey producing > industry. (Find out what your state beekeeper's are already paying in > county and state taxes for being beekeepers.) > > Most state legislator's will listen to beekeeper's, we are rare birds > and a interesting lot. Bee sure you have a small group of beekeepers who > are prepared to discuss the issue and have a FIRM position that they > are not afraid to "say it the way they see it". Ask to testify at > any public hearing and do that. Ask for more public hearings, make a > record to back your own position. Do not compromise your own position > leave that to the politicians they will do it to you anyway and any > weakening of your position will be taken advantage of. > > Having some political sense can be very helpful, find out which side > is pushing the bill and what the leadership position is on it. You must > meet with member of both sides, but suck up to the one that is not > sponsoring it and if God is watching out for you they will be the > majority party and more then willing to help you kill any plan for > new laws. Legal help from one of the capital lawyers can be helpful but > will not get it done. They can open doors, and show you the process but > unless there are some big bucks involved you all are going to have to do > the work. Meet one on one with your own representatives. Get the support > of other farm group's, but do NOT let them carry your ball or you may > find you have one less. > > Now if the honey producer's in your state contain more then a few people > who still extract in tent's or in old barn's with dirt floors you may > not want to do anything and let nature .err government take it tole. > Two states I have worked in have made different run's on cleaning up > the beekeeper's and normally these last one season and that's the last > you hear of them for years or never.Beekeeper's have cleaned up over the > years from what it once was, which was satisfactory at the time, but > is not today. Some of this was good and needed, but one thing that was > done that was bad was a crack down by the USDA that finished off the > portable and out yard extracting. I believe that if we were still doing > it it the field today we would be producing more for less and not have > the problems with our bee's we do have today. I also think we would be > doing it a van that would be just as clean as any permanent site, but > those day's are gone and I don't think that is your problem. > > Over the year's my honey house has been targeted for inspection by > every government agency there is. Some of this has benefited me and > some of it has been enough to cause any beekeeper to brake up and > roll on the floor. California several time's has got a wild hair to > inspect honey extracting plants. One such visit came when I was out of > state. At the time I had just installed the top of the line extracting > equipment, I was on the cutting edge then, not the bleeding one like > now. This included a wonderful flash heater and centrifuge that > separated out the honey and melted the wax. Had to add a new 200 amp > service for that one. This machine was the early stage of development of > the Cook & Beals Separator. Anyway the first tizzy the inspector pulled > was when he saw the lifelike rubber plucked chicken that hung over the > fancy imported Penrose uncapping machine. "You can't do that in here, > you need to get a different licence to do both chicken's and honey in > the same place." God's truth, he really believed that we were plucking > chicken's with the same machine we uncapped honey combs so my long time > help told me. This guy was so shook up he did not notice that at the > time all the honey from the two big Kelley extractors and the > cappings drained into a very large sump and that sump was covered by > boards that the man who loaded the extractor stood on, not a very good > set up that I changed the next season without any input from any > inspector. > > Everything was A OK when he found a wonderful and well built screen > that fit over a 55 gal drum that he assumed we screened the honey > through. Actually we only used it when we were taking the tank's down > and wanted to salvage any wax or junk left in the tank that we did > not want plugging up the drain or septic system. The honey that went > in these tanks was ready for shipment and required no further processing > other then putting it in the drums and weighing it. > > This guy did leave two legal size pages of suggestions, mostly > unrealistic thing's like fixing all the etching in the floor made > by the acid honey eating the cement. The only thing I could do was > take that chicken down. He never showed up again. > > Mousses americanis, or just mouse droppings was found in the basement > of my three story honey house on the western slopes of the Rockies in > Colorado. Some federal money was received to do a Honey House inspection > in Colorado and I was targeted. A young collage kid was hired for the > part time job and showed up with a flash light and found 4 or 5 little > smart pills in the basement that was plugged full of 55 gal drums of > clover honey in storage for the winter and under loan. That was all > he could find but enough to make him understandably happy in his work. > With no help from me when inspecting the upper storage area he lost his > carefully packaged and labeled packet of smart pills. He had to use a > flash light as I already had shut this operation down for the winter and > turned off the utilities, including taking in the gas meter that were > know to bust from the very low temps when not in use. Anyway I did not > want him to go back to the eastern slopes and Denver without any smart > pills and wanted to see just how far they would go with evidence like > this that had to be sent out to a lab for identification when any dam > fool could see what it was so I took him back down to the basement and > moved a few drums around so he could find another sample of smart pills. > Months later I received this official looking letter from the state > and included was the lavatory report that the smart pill were indeed > the spore of the mousses americanis and not fossilized buffalo chips > which I had framed and hung on the wall in one of my offices. > > The last time I was inspected was several years ago when a real > lawyer-doctor type state health department man showed up at my front > door about noon and demanded to inspect my honey house which is several > miles away from my home. After several hours of filling his head with > all the legal reason's he would do that over my dead body I decided to > let him do his job without further blood shed when he changed the > demand to a polite request much to the surprise and amusement of a > farmer friend who was visiting and enjoying every minute. The inspection > was a joy to watch, and the guy could not believe what he was looking > at and saw no reason for any more Honey House inspections as we were > not at all what he expected and only made one suggestion that I cover > the florescent tube's with plastic tubing and I did that as it was a > good idea having cleaned a broken one's out of a wax vat once. I > would have never know that these new at the time safety tubes were > then available if this guy had not shown up and it was a positive > experience, one of few and still not enough to open my door's to the > public or any government agent without the proper paper work and > introduction. I did have two county health people show up once in a fit > to inspect all honey houses but one call to the board of supervisor's > put them back on the right track. Thousands of people suffer from > improper food handling every year in my area, most of it from food > served at restaurants and gatherings. These place's are only inspected > once a year with prior notice because of budget and manpower > considerations that have not gotten any better over the years. > > Beekeeper's and the Honey they produce should be so low on the list > of things that government should worry about as far as new laws that > no one should waste the time. If it ain't broke no reason to brake it > and it would not take much to do that as these are the hard day's for > many beekeepers. > > Good Luck and I hope you will keep us posted. > > ttul Andy- > > > > (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. > Opinion is not necessarily fact. > --- > ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ This l l tagline has l l a few l l bees in it... > REPLY: Such an attempt was made in Maryland several years ago: the beekeepers put up such a loud howl all over the state that the idea was quickly dropped. So too w/ the proposed tax on each colony. Bonne chance. Jck the B- man John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:37:24 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Derk Phelps Subject: Re: Honey Pots? Dave, Check your local ceramics store. Specifically one that sells greenware, we have a mold or two for a skep shap about 5-6 inches in height with the lid, it is pretty neat. Depending on how much work and how crafty you want to be you can make them into many different designs. But watch out, greenware and paint are cheap but it you desire to have them fired after you have made them pretty, the going price to have them fired around here is 1/2 the greenware price. Some techniques require 2 firings. My mother has accumulated a pretty good collection but it has taken many vacations to find them all. good luck ! Derk Phelps Phelps Honey Farm dpbees@aol.com ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:14:33 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dirk Howard Subject: Re: Refining Wax -Reply Jack, What exactly is a SWM? Is it a Solar Wax Melter? Does this really remove the fine particulate from the wax? Dirk Howard >>> JOHN IANNUZZI 10/26/95 06:40am >>> REPLY: The SWM is the easiest and fastest way to do it. Still operating mine right now, after having "extracted" 9 shallow frames of honey in it, with milk filters, of course. This is the Balto area and sunshine is still available for melting despite the frosty morns. Jack the B-man ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:03:24 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Stoops Subject: Re: Sulfa isn't Sulphur Comments: To: Jim Osborn In-Reply-To: <199509270158.SAA18299@eskimo.com> Hey Jim, Sorry for the belatedness of this response. Not really positive of my chemistry in the medicine Sulfa, but I do believe it is a derivitive of the basic compound sulfer. Will check when I get the time and get back with you on that. You got my curiosity up. That's my big downfall, I have too big a curiosity, don't have time to follow up a lot of the things I'm interested in. Take care and hoep you have a good day. MIKE Mike Stoops Sugar Land, Texas On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jim Osborn wrote: > Michael Stoops writes: > >In reference to the discovery of minute amounts of sulfer in the honey. > >Hope those people don't eat eggs... > > > >On Fri, 15 Sep 1995, Allen Dick wrote: > >> We lost the best treatment for AFB years back... > >> > >> Sulfa was an excellent control because of its persistence. > > Michael is confusing sulfa the drug with sulphur the compound. > They're not the same. > > jimo@eskimo.com > ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 16:32:16 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: MEMO 1995/10/26 16:36 From: John E III Taylor Subject: Re: Sulfa isn't Sulphur Mike Stoops writes, in part: > Not really positive of my chemistry in the medicine Sulfa, but I do > believe it is a derivitive of the basic compound sulfer. Yes, Mike, there _is_ sulfur in such Sulfa drugs as sulfanilimide for instance, but there's nitrogen in there too, and carbon and oxygen. When they're combined into a chemical compound like that, none of them behaves as it does when it's an uncombined element. Elemental sulfur has some mild pesticidal properties on a few species (I seem to recall some fungicidal activity, but don't have my Merck Manual with me today), but the levels at which it is active are several orders of magnitude above that for sulfa-type materials. John E. Taylor III W3ZID |"The opinions expressed are those of the E-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | author and not of Rohm and Haas Company" ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 21:13:45 GMT Reply-To: WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Paul Walton Subject: Re: Reducers??? In message <9510261234.AA01226@epfl2> BEE-L@cnsibm.albany.edu writes: > REPLY: Tres` interessant. But where is "around here?" In the Free > State? Jack the B-man > John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs > 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare > Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies > ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom > I know that this is getting way "Off Topic" but I agree with you John. I wish that more people would provide an indication of *WHERE* in the world they are located. Set it up once in a ".Sig" file and you will never have to think of it again ;-) -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire England WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk Voice / Fax : +44 (0)1525 875570 ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:33:37 EDT Reply-To: Liver Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Eugene MosQueda Subject: E-Vectors Hello, I am a psych student. Does anyone know how to describe the E-vector orientation and how the bee uses it. I really don't understand how the vector is constructed in space. I have read much on polarized light but i am still at a loss. Gene ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:51:53 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Wesley A Voigt Jr Subject: Bleach I am pretty new to beekeeping (I currently have three hives and hope to have more next year) and I have noticed the worry about bee diseases. Would washing the inside of brood chambers and supers with a bleach solution make a difference? What about soaking empty frames? Would the bleach remain in the wood and harm the bees? Should this done only when getting used equipment or between every use? Would this affect foulbrood? What strength should it be? No major rush or worry - I am just curious. For all I know, this may have studied long ago and been discarded as ineffective. It could take too much work for the results at this time or it could be harmfull to bees. Thanks for your time and comments. Wesley Voigt ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:24:32 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: BusyKnight Subject: Re: Bleach >For all I know, this may have studied long ago and been discarded >as ineffective. True. Wes, Going to all this trouble probably doesn't hurt anything but it doesn't really help either. I continue to do a hot lye water bath on my wooden equipment but its just to clean the frames. Not necessarily to try and get rid of the disease carriers. The spores that carry foulbrood can survive a bleaching or lye water bath. I also use the small hand held propane torch to scorch the inside of my hive boxes. If you have queen excluders (the metal grid type...not plastic) the torch also makes for a really quick cleanup of burr comb on the queen excluders. BusyKnight Dallas, TX ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:35:51 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Liz Day Subject: Please put your location in I renew my yearly request: It is nice to append your posts with the following, which are often omitted by the machine otherwise: Your real name. The institution you're affiliated with, and its approximate location. Your correct email address. Just your mother nagging you, Liz Day LDAY@indy.net Indianapolis, Indiana, central USA ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 17:49:24 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: BusyKnight Subject: Please put your location And don't forget to include the test results of your first born male's DNA analysis!! BusyKnight busykngt@airmail.net Dallas, Republic of Texas Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is an absurd one. - Voltaire ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:34:00 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Hawkes, Robert" Subject: Food Processing License Regarding a Food Processing License for a honey house: Don't fight it. (You can't win!) But don't worry about it either; it's probably no big deal. Several years ago (in Pennsylvania) as a hobby beekeeper selling only about 1000 lb of honey per year through farm markets I was contacted by an inspector from the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture and reminded that I was subject to an inspection of my honey processing operation if I was to continue legally marketing my honey. So the next time we turned our kitchen into a "honey house" for the annual extraction I called the inspector. She came, found nothing to complain about, issued a license, and granted us the "privilege" of printing "Reg. Pa. Dept. of Agriculture" on our honey labels. The only cost to us was the fee paid to have a bacteria count done on the well water (a cost covered by a case of honey). It wasn't a big deal. One can argue that honey isn't "processed," or that water isn't used in the extraction and bottling, or that honey is antiseptic. But there are regulations and I don't think it's worth fighting them. Besides, maybe we do need a little monitoring. I've seen some extraction/bottling operations that were down-right dirty! Don't confuse a food processor license (probably issued at the state level) with a food handler's license required of persons preparing and serving food on the spot (perhaps for honey sample tasting or honey based food products consumed ). The latter is probably the jurisdiction of a local Board of Health. With a little common sense about sanitation this should not cause us problems either. So my advice based upon my own experience is to be cooperative rather than antagonistic, to maintain a low, quiet profile, and of course to package a clean product. (We should provide a clean, quality product even if we just give it away.) Personally, my greater concern is of product liability and of unwarrented claims of the sort we read about every day. Insurance is available for beekeeping and for honey production, and some customers buying honey for retail sales demand it. And, of course, some states (Pennsylvania is one) have a mandated apiary registration. So beekeeping has its growing responsibilities. But it's still worth it! Robert Hawkes rhawkes@wcupa.edu ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 15:57:57 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Jim Osborn Subject: Re: Please put... Liz Day requests: >It is nice to append your posts with the following, >which are often omitted by the machine otherwise: > >Your real name. >The institution you're affiliated with, and its approximate location. >Your correct email address. > >Just your mother nagging you, Thanks, Liz, And if I might add: PLEASE, PLEASE, folks, reply directly to your correspondent for personal messages. This is a relatively high-volume list, and it will help us all to keep the traffic meaningful and interesting. Too much noise drives away the folks who might have the answer to your question. jimo@eskimo.com in the Pacific Northwest ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 21:12:42 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Sulfa isn't Sulphur > Mike Stoops writes, in part: > > > Not really positive of my chemistry in the medicine Sulfa, but I do > > believe it is a derivitive of the basic compound sulfer. > > Yes, Mike, there _is_ sulfur in such Sulfa drugs as sulfanilimide for > instance, but there's nitrogen in there too, and carbon and oxygen. When > they're combined into a chemical compound like that, none of them behaves as it > does when it's an uncombined element. Elemental sulfur has some mild pesticidal > properties on a few species (I seem to recall some fungicidal activity, but > don't have my Merck Manual with me today), but the levels at which it is active > are several orders of magnitude above that for sulfa-type materials. > > John E. Taylor III W3ZID |"The opinions expressed are those of the > E-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | author and not of Rohm and Haas Company" > REPLY: Who is the "Rohm and Hass Company?" Yes, your employer but I don't get it. Jack the B-man John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 21:23:03 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: Refining Wax -Reply > Jack, > > What exactly is a SWM? Is it a Solar Wax Melter? Does this really > remove the fine particulate from the wax? > > Dirk Howard > > >>> JOHN IANNUZZI 10/26/95 > 06:40am >>> > REPLY: The SWM is the easiest and fastest way to do it. Still operating > mine right now, after having "extracted" 9 shallow frames of honey in it, > with milk filters, of course. This is the Balto area and sunshine is still > available for melting despite the frosty morns. > > Jack the B-man > REPLY Yes, it's what U say it is. Yes, it does. My wax goes into a recycled nylon stocking resting on freezer wrap resting on my big pan in the SWM. The spout end has a six-inch milk filter, folded one quarter up, thru which the melted wax is filtered into a lower collecting pan, usually a one-pound loaf pan. The end product comes out very very very clean. It goes w/o saying that everything must be crystal clean at the outstart. My three-pound block of wax thus made usually comes in first at a n y fair, year after year. In 1982, one such block came in first in seven such competitions. Don't enter that many any more, just three now. Jack the B-man John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:27:30 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ray Lackey Subject: honey house inspection Andy mentioned that portable honey extractors are no longer legal. Is this a state law somewhere? I live in NY where I have never heard such a thing. The New Jersey State Inspector once told me that he would use a portable extracting trailer if he was keeping a large number of bees. The model I have been working on for a larger operation seemed to show extraction at the yard would be more economical. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Raymond J. Lackey, EAS Master Beekeeper, VP LIBA + + Twelve years exper with 25 colonies on Long Island, NY+ + INTERNET: lackeyr@hazeltine.com + + Mail: 1260 Walnut Avenue, Bohemia NY 11617-2176 + + Home Phone: 516-567-1936 FAX: 516-262-8053 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:59:17 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: BeeBeards Comments: cc: fkovac@CapAccess.org, br0005@epfl2.epflbalto.org Subject: BeeBeards fri 27oc95 0847 1. The Guinness Book of World Records (1995 edition) has an 80# entry for beebeards which it calls a "bee mantle" since it covers the whole body, and not only the face. 2. My friend Jed Shaner of Staunton VA is listed as the record holder (29jun1991, 343,000 bees). 3. It should have an entry for the greatest number of performances. 4. Retired school teacher, John Romanik of Ellicott City, has just done his 103 beebeard, the real McCoy. He has long been called "the BeeBeard King of Maryland." 5. Unless anybody out there can challenge him, I now declare him BeeBeard King of the Universe. Amen. Jack the B-man PS When I saw my first beebeard in 1978, the Guinness record holdler was Don Cooke, from near Cincinnati, Ohio, with five (5) pounds!!! At that time, he had done about 40. (Done in ASCII via floppy) John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 10:56:10 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology Comments: MEMO 1995/10/27 11:09 From: John E III Taylor Subject: Re: BeeBeards Jack Iannuzzi wrote, in part: > 2. My friend Jed Shaner of Staunton VA > is listed as the record holder (29jun1991, > 343,000 bees). Conjurs up this vision: one, two, three, four... 8^) Determined by weight of the bee mass, divided by the weight of an individual bee? Or _do_ you count them? John E. Taylor III W3ZID | "The opinions expressed are those of the E-Mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 08:10:00 PDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Wendy Lewis Subject: Re: Please put your location in Dear Liz, Many thanks for the reminder. It is indeed helpful to know who is writing to us and from what part of the world and, best of all, an e-mail address so that we can respond accordingly! Wendy Lewis Mission Viejo, CA lewis_w@sccd.cc.ca.us ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 05:00:00 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Keith Cutting Subject: Re: BeeBeards A friend of mine is interested in doing demo's with bee beards. A question he has asked me is "How does a person breath with a face full of bees?" I understand a little cotton in the ears and nostrils to keep them out. I would think breathing would be difficult. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<: Keith.Cutting@Dartmouth.edu The Cutting Farm Kearsage Beekeepers Association PO Box 605 NH Beef Producers Association Grantham, New Hampshire 03753 Warlock 92 FLSTC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>: ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:42:00 GMT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Andy Nachbaur Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Subject: honey house inspection ---------------------------------------- RL>From: Ray Lackey >Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:27:30 -0400 >Subject: honey house inspection RL>Andy mentioned that portable honey extractors are no longer legal. Is this >state law somewhere? I live in NY where I have never heard such a thing. >The New Jersey State Inspector once told me that he would use a portable >extracting trailer if he was keeping a large number of bees. The model I >have been working on for a larger operation seemed to show extraction at >the yard would be more economical. >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >+ Raymond J. Lackey, EAS Master Beekeeper, VP LIBA + >+ Twelve years exper with 25 colonies on Long Island, NY+ >+ INTERNET: lackeyr@hazeltine.com + >+ Mail: 1260 Walnut Avenue, Bohemia NY 11617-2176 + >+ Home Phone: 516-567-1936 FAX: 516-262-8053 + >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hi Ray, NO, I did not mean to say PORTABLE HONEY EXTRACTORS were no longer legal, being long in the tooth I did not tell the whole story. The rest of the story is that in the mid 50's the men in the dress suits, suspenders, tie's and low top shoe's from Washington DC's, Pure Food and Drug descended on the California beekeeping industry. The beekeeper's had never seen this kind of interest before and being the good citizen's that they were took everything they were told as being the Gospel. They were intimated into abandoning their old way's by veiled threat's of the Federal Government closing them down and within a few years, one year in our case, all portable extracting of honey in California was stopped. We remodeled half of a diary barn and moved inside the next year. We only learned later that this was all smoke an mirrors from the federal government but they had the cooperation of the state government but no law's were passed or existed at that time. We were shafted...by our own lack of experience and good will we had with our regulators. That did not last long after that as shortly pesticides became a BIG problem and you all should know what side the bee regulator's came down on and the troubles we had and to some degree still have. I have always's believed that if we had stayed in the field the pesticide issue would have been resolved a lot faster with the exposure of both beekeeper's and his honey in the field. I am sure thank God most of you have never actually been sprayed while at work, but most commercial beekeeper's have at one time or another. I won't say much about that, but someday I will. My remembrance of the last year extracting in the field. A few years before I was still going to school and was first hired in my 2nd year of high school. I had already got my first hive of bee's from Sear's and Roebuck and my school bus drove pass a big yard of bee's on the way home from school each day, and I would stare with amazement as we passed. One day I got lucky and someone was there working the bee's, I had the school bus driver stop and let me out. He was my neighbor and also a high school student and in those day's these thing's could be arranged between two friends. I walked over and started up a conversation with the old beekeeper who was inspecting the bee's. I stood my ground and took a few stings, this impressed the old beekeeper just lucky I did not have my boot's on or I would have had to cut them off that night, and we became friends and that summer I had my first and only job as a apprentice beekeeper to the Flory family beekeeper's all. Thirty five dollars a week and room and board. I had a model A Ford Ranch Wagon flat bed pick up truck, paid $20 for it and had to buy a battery. It was an old Pacific Telephone and Telegraph truck, I sold it for $35 years later. Believe it or not I saved money then, and not only became a beeman in the bee yards but enjoyed every minute of it. At the time many California beekeepers, including the beekeeping family I was doing my apprenticeship with were still extracting in the field. We had a old Morland Truck with a wonderful extracting set up, custom built in a black smith shop. Steam heat, a 8 frame tangential extractor, honey tank under the floor between the truck frame, metal floors for easy clean up. It was ideal and had served the cause for many years without any problem, with two man in the extracting van and two or more in the bee's. I started as a swamper or beekeeper louse and carried the full supers to the van taken off by the beekeepers using carbolic acid pads and the old bee brush. In those day's a beekeeper had his smoker held between his legs, and both a hive tool and bee brush in his hands. Each beekeeper also had a open 5 gal can of water to clean his tools and hands as needed and for quick relief from the occasional bee sting on the fingers. Oh, how good that water felt when one nasty bee would stick it to you, especially under the nail, wooow I can still feel it. It was not macho to run, many time's at first I wanted to, but soon it became just a small annoyance and almost something to be proud of at the end of the day, all those little pin pricks in the end's of your finger's. The swamper opened the hives, smoked the bee's down and moved the pads. He also helped move the honey to the extracting van after the beekeeper's took it off the hives, and put the extracted combs back on the hives. Our frames were not self spacing and had to be spaced. We use 8 in a 10 frame hive so the combs would be FAT and easy to uncap with the steam heated hand knife. We normally did one yard of 96 hives per day, and most of the time averaged 50-60 lbs of honey per hive per extracting. The process was slow and labor intensive, but at the end of the day we had the honey and the bee's were all equalized as we also extracted the honey from the bottoms and any heavy honey around the sealed brood putting the brood back into the hives that needed it and giving the queens empty combs to lay in. We extracted each yard every 30 day's during the summer. The Flory family had about 2500 hives at the time and this supported four families in the upper middle class of today. Most of the honey was worth about ten cents a pound, and seldom would a beekeeper get all his money at the time of sale, usually within 6 months to a year. This family had a 30 year average of 100 lbs per hive and several time's that in a good year. Two year's that I know of they did not extract and took other jobs like picking fruit and working in the canneries. We had more good year's then bad, 15 years in a row they got average or better wild flower crops. I will never forget this one year that the honey flow was so intense that the first hive's we took the honey off in the morning would be filled back up by the end of the day and all the bee's would be hanging out side trying to get in. Sometime's they would build comb on the out side of the hives and under the hive if the bottom board had a crack in it they could get through. In those day's we did not have a lot of supers and three stories were about as tall as our bee's ever got and then we would have a few flats to do that. All our top's and bottoms were made of full width clear redwood from local mills long gone, and many of our hive bodies were made of pine from WW II gas mask boxes, as good or better then the best pine you can buy today. Our frames were made 3/4 inch all around and had one steel rod to reinforce them between the top and bottom and were wired vertically for pure bees wax foundation or starter strips. We wasted not and even saved the tissue paper from between the foundation that the woman made into paper flowers that decorated a float on the back of a bee truck that won a 1st prize and some real money in those days in one of the big 4th of July parades held at Hollister, and Salinas, California. There's more, but I know you are busy and sorry that I gave you the wrong idea about law's and portable honey houses. ttul Andy- (c)Permission to reproduce, granted. Opinion is not necessarily fact. --- ~ QMPro 1.53 ~ Nothing is so smiple that I can't get screwed up. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:43:43 EDT Reply-To: "Glen B. Glater" Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "Glen B. Glater" Subject: Beekeeping in Connecticut Hello! Are there any CT beekeepers on this list? I need to know the requirements for keeping bees in CT. Is it necessary to register with the State/City/Town before placing a hive in Connecticut? Thanks. --glen ************************************************************** Midnight Networks Inc. * 200 Fifth Avenue * Waltham, MA 02154 Glen B. Glater Principal, Strategic Networking Group Phone: (617) 890-1001 Fax: (617) 890-0028 Internet: glen@midnight.com http://www.midnight.com/~glen Midnight Networks Inc. WWW page http://www.midnight.com ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 15:13:43 CST Reply-To: nc7jr@sun.ars-grin.gov Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Bill Van Roekel Organization: NCRPIS Subject: Re: honey house inspection Andy, I'm sure I am speaking for a lot of beekeepers. Please Please write more about your experiences in your early days of beekeeping. We, yes, I am speaking for a lot of beekeepers, are very interested in the ups and downs and the ins and outs of how bees have been kept in the past. How about helping out with your experience? I wouldn't mind hearing about things that employer may have related to you about how it was when they began. I am (we are) looking forward to hearing more soon. If I'm wrong, and I'm the only one who is interested, E-mail me directly with your experiences. Thank You!!! (Liz, I live in central Iowa, USA.) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 16:41:57 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Eyre Subject: Re: Please put your location in >I renew my yearly request: > >It is nice to append your posts with the following, I fully agree with your request, and while we are on the subject of adjusting our netiquette, please delete some of the message you are answering. It is very frustrating to be forever downloading unecessary long messages. If you don't know how I'll willingly "Learn Ya" :-) ********************************************************* * David J. Eyre CEO 9 Progress Drive, Unit 2, * * The Beeworks Orillia, Ont, Canada, L3V 6H1* * beeworks@muskoka.net (705) 326 7171 * * http.//www.muskoka.net/~beeworks * ********************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 19:52:02 -0700 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Ann Dougherty Subject: Re: Refining Wax In-Reply-To: <951026075048_90029156@mail04.mail.aol.com> Wesley: What I do with old wax such as you have is to save it all up and put it in the solar wax melter. It's the quikest way to render all the gunk out. Then put it in a old milk carton and warm it up in an pan of hot water like a double boiler. When the wax is totally melted, Stir in H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) and keep stirring for a few minutes. This helps bleach the wax and also the remaining particles will settle to the bottom. I use about 1/2 cup of H2O2 to 2 lbs. of wax. There's no need to be exact tho. Then I pour the whole thing through an old piece of sweat shirt. I use the wax to make candles and cosmetics. Good luck! Ann On Thu, 26 Oct 1995, Wesley A Voigt Jr wrote: > I have been on Bee-L for little over a month and I have enjoyied > hearing what all of you have to say. It's neat seeing responses from all > over the world. > > I am in the process of refining wax from bees I removed from a tree > fallen by a storm. I have managed to remove the dead bees and large chunks of > debris (done by warming in a large pot of water and then filtering - I'm glad > I will have my solar melter ready for next summer...) but I still have small > specks left in the wax that filtering with cheese cloth does not remove. Do > any of you have ideas on removing them? I am looking forward to hearing them. > Your help is much appreciated. > > Wesley A Voigt > ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 01:54:09 -0400 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Michael Moroney Subject: Re: Reducers??? In-Reply-To: <<9510261234.AA01226@epfl2> > > > 5. I have n e v e r used an entrance reducer in > > > 35 consecutive years of beekeeping. > > > > Around here, yellowjackets would do a real number on such a hive. > > > > -Mike > > > REPLY: Tres` interessant. But where is "around here?" In the Free > State? Jack the B-man Oops, "around here" is central Massachusetts, USA, Planet Earth, Sol, Milky Way. The yellowjackets were worse around a hive at a friend's house, Albany New York area. -Mike ========================================================================= Date: Sat, 28 Oct 1995 14:22:06 +0100 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Richard van Ouwerkerk Subject: Re: Refining Wax In-Reply-To: from "Ann Dougherty" at Oct 27, 95 07:52:02 pm Dear Ann, Dear Wesley and dear everybody, Peroxide is indeed a good chemical to bleach just about anything. 3% peroxide is already too strong to bleach your hair (Marilyn Monroe bleached her pubic hair with it and burned her labia), 30% is sold and dangerous and 100% can be used in rocket fuel to blast you to the moon. Be aware of it and beware, Richard. -- --- Richard van Ouwerkerk Internet: richard@sara.nl Anaesthesioloog Telefoon & Fax: ++ 31 20 6953246 AX.25: PE1KFM@PI8GCB.#NH2.NH.NL.EU "The sciences do not try to explain, they hardly even try to interpret, they mainly make models. By a model is meant a mathematical construct which, with the addition of certain verbal interpretations, describes observed phenomena. The justification of such a mathematical construct is solely and precisely that it is expected to work." John von Neumann ========================================================================= Date: Sun, 29 Oct 1995 17:54:36 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "" Subject: Contaminated Honey? Hello fellow Beekeepers, I am a hobby beekeeper with six hives in eastern Pennsyvalnia, east of Philadelphia. I robbed my girls early this year in July in order to treat early with Apistan strips. Verroa mites have hit our area hard last year and many local beekeepers lost their hives after taking their honey in September. Since July, there has been a decent late honey flow and all my hives have refilled their supers. The Apistan strips were placed in the brood boxes (two strips/five frames) for about six weeks as the label recommends. I robbed them again this month (Oct.) and have extracted the honey. The cappings will be rendered only for the wax for candles. Is this honey really contaminated with traces of fluvalinate? What can I do with it? I'm sure this problem has been faced by many others. Thanks in advance for your advice. I don't want to offer tainted honey to any friends or relatives. THOCHHEIMER@Delphi.com Downingtown, PA. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:18:52 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Liz Day Subject: anyone know 'honeycomb cosmetics' in the UK? I have a jar of hand cream that has a very nice smell to it. It's "Beemaid" products, "honeycomb cosmetics". Made in England. It was being made for and sold to Gardener's Eden, a gentrified garden mail-order place. They stopped carrying it after one season (maybe the picture of the queen bee lounging on the lid was too much for people?). Has anyone heard of this company in England? Or know where they are distributing their lotions now? Thanks, Liz Day LDAY@indy.net Indianapolis, Indiana, central USA Zzzzzzzzzzz. ps - Bombus impatiens and fervidus queens *still out* here foraging, all other bees long gone. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 16:14:37 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Eyre Subject: Re: Contaminated Honey? >Hello fellow Beekeepers, > > I am a hobby beekeeper with six hives in eastern >Pennsyvalnia, east of Philadelphia. I robbed my girls early >this year in July in order to treat early with Apistan strips. Most definitely your honey will be contaminated, the best thing is to use it as feed for the bees. It came from your bees and can be fed back without problems. We feed honey most years, from cappings and drippings etc. In passing we market a Varroa Test kit, it does not require Apistan or chemistry and can be used with supers on without contaminating your honey. We also market a Varroa trap, if you require more information please e-mail me direct. ********************************************************* * David J. Eyre CEO 9 Progress Drive, Unit 2, * * The Beeworks Orillia, Ont, Canada, L3V 6H1* * beeworks@muskoka.net (705) 326 7171 * * http.//www.muskoka.net/~beeworks * ********************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:45:36 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: JOHN IANNUZZI Subject: Re: MD Honey > Jack, > > I have several cases of Md. honey from different local beekeepers. MSBA has > on consignment for sales events. We have a lot left over. let me know what > you need and I can make arrangements for you. > > By the way, you missed a really good meeting today, even if I say so myself. > Despite the rain (thought I would get washed away getting there) attendence > was good. Speakers were fabulous. Ask John Romanik. > > David > > Call me tomorrow evening, we are going to Gaithersburg to a craft fair > (buying, not selling). 301-725-6185 > 1. U STAGE EXCEPTIONAL MEETINGS. 2. WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE BUT MY DAU HAD 3 TIX TO KING'S DOMINION THAT HAD 2 BE USED THAT DAY. MENTALLY HANDICAPPED SHE NATCH COMES 1ST, HONEYBS SECOND (HOPE IRENE DOESN'T C THIS). THE TIX WERE ON HAND 4 MONTHS. 3. I BUY HONEY BY THE PAIL (60S) USUALLY FIVE AT A CRACK. SHALL TRY CALLING U SUN EVE. THANKS. jack the b-man John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 22:25:32 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Morris Subject: Bee and Bears Attention Maryland Beekeepers and our neighbors! The Maryland Dept of Natural Resources is reviewing their policy concerning Black Bear Depredation (DNR Circular #90-501). A Black Bear Citizens Task Force was formed and met in July, August and September to review the policy and make recommendations. The Maryland State Beekeepers Association was a participant in the Task Force. Public meetings will now be held for the general public to comment on the recommendations. The doors open at 6:00 p.m. for public review of displays and literature. Hearings begin at 6:30 p.m. The schedule for the meetings will be: Nov 2, 1995, Thursday Northern High School, Accident MD. Directions: From I-68 take Exit 14. Go South on Rt 219 from Keyser's Ridge. Go approx 4 miles to the school on the right. Nov 6, 1995, Monday Dulaney High School, 255 Padonia Rd. Timonium, MD Directions: From the Baltimore Beltway (I-695) take I-83 North. Exit at Padonia Road. Turn right onto Padonia Road. The school is on the right , just past the Memorial Gardens, approx 1/2 mile from York Road. Nov 14, 1995, Tuesday Easton National Guard, Easton MD Directions: The Armory is located on Westbound U.S. Rt 50 just North of the Maryland State Police Barracks. Nov 16, 1995, Thursday Annapolis Senior High School, 2700 Riva Road, Annapolis MD Directions: From U.S. Rt 50, take Exit 22 (Rt 665) Riva Road. Go South on Riva Road for approx 1 mile. The school is on the right just past the Arundel Olympic Swim Center. Written comments will be accepted until November 20, by writing to: Mr. Joshua L. Sandt, DNR Wildlife Division Director 580 Taylor Ave. Annapolis, MD 21401 I encourage all beekeepers to attend these hearings to support the beekeepers of western Maryland. Thank you, David Morris, President Maryland State Beekeepers Assn Laurel, MD ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:18:58 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: RICHARD E BONNEY Subject: Book list About two weeks ago we had an exchange of messages regarding a book list. I offered to send my list to anyone responding with a snail mail address. I received a number of requests but at least two of them did not include any address - snail mail or e-mail. If you haven't heard from me by the end of the week, request again. This reinforces Liz Day's recent message. Some systems do not show the sender's e-mail address. Dick Bonney rebon@ent.umass.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:46:50 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: "James D. Satterfield" Subject: bees, bears, hornets A bear raided my one hive at Ellijay, GA last week. Ellijay is about 80 mi N of Atlanta, GA in SE USA. The hive was a modified Tanzanian top bar hive, so there were no frames smashed. The bear ate all of the honey and brood, leaving only about a gallon of wax scraps. A neighbor called to tell me were the bees had clustered. I went up, probably 3 days after the bear made the raid, and hived the bear-generated swarm which I subsequently merged with another colony. The bees had clustered on a small pine tree which made it easy to get to them. They had already started to build comb and deposit honey. It was cool, and the bees were a bit fussy, but everything went well. What if didn't expect was this: As the bees were crawling into the five- frame nuc box I was using as the temporary hive, I noticed two hornets that appeared to have been in the cluster. These were what we commonly call the "baldface hornet"...larger than a honeybee, black and white in color pattern. Have others of you out there in BEE-L land ever encountered other species clustered with swarms?? It's the first time I've seen this. I enjoy reading all of the commentaries on BEE-L. I've gathered a lot of useful information from you all. Many thanks! Cordially yours, Jim ----------------------------------------------------- | James D.Satterfield | jsatt@gsu.edu or | | P.O. Box 2243 | biojdsx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu | | Decatur, GA 30031 USA | Telephone 404 378-8917 | ----------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 13:58:16 EDT Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: bfaber Subject: Re: bees, bears, hornets Re other species in and among honeybees: I have heard that wood roaches (Parcoblatta sp) are sometimes found in beehives, and I, too, would be interested to find out more about not only cockroaches and bees but other insects and bees. Betty Faber bfaber@lsc.org Liberty Science Center 251 Phillip Street Jersey City, NJ 07305 A bear raided my one hive at Ellijay, GA last week. Ellijay is about 80 mi N of Atlanta, GA in SE USA. The hive was a modified Tanzanian top bar hive, so there were no frames smashed. The bear ate all of the honey and brood, leaving only about a gallon of wax scraps. A neighbor called to tell me were the bees had clustered. I went up, probably 3 days after the bear made the raid, and hived the bear-generated swarm which I subsequently merged with another colony. The bees had clustered on a small pine tree which made it easy to get to them. They had already started to build comb and deposit honey. It was cool, and the bees were a bit fussy, but everything went well. What if didn't expect was this: As the bees were crawling into the five- frame nuc box I was using as the temporary hive, I noticed two hornets that appeared to have been in the cluster. These were what we commonly call the "baldface hornet"...larger than a honeybee, black and white in color pattern. Have others of you out there in BEE-L land ever encountered other species clustered with swarms?? It's the first time I've seen this. I enjoy reading all of the commentaries on BEE-L. I've gathered a lot of useful information from you all. Many thanks! Cordially yours, Jim ----------------------------------------------------- | James D.Satterfield | jsatt@gsu.edu or | | P.O. Box 2243 | biojdsx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu | | Decatur, GA 30031 USA | Telephone 404 378-8917 | ----------------------------------------------------- ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:23:30 EST Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Joanne Talbot Subject: Photograph of a honeycomb -- without bee's in it Hi, I was wondering if anyone had or knew of a photograph of a honeycomb without bee's in it? It's for a book cover -- and the subject is distributed algorithms in computer science (the honeycomb resembles the concepts in the book). Thanks much! Joanne Talbot joanne@theory.lcs.mit.edu ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:16:09 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Eyre Subject: Re: MD Honey >> Jack, >> >> I have several cases of Md. honey from different local beekeepers. MSBA has >> on consignment for sales events. We have a lot left over. let me know what >> you need and I can make arrangements for you. >> >> By the way, you missed a really good meeting today, even if I say so myself. >> Despite the rain (thought I would get washed away getting there) attendence >> was good. Speakers were fabulous. Ask John Romanik. >> >> David >> >> Call me tomorrow evening, we are going to Gaithersburg to a craft fair >> (buying, not selling). 301-725-6185 >> > 1. U STAGE EXCEPTIONAL MEETINGS. > > 2. WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE BUT MY > DAU HAD 3 TIX TO KING'S DOMINION > THAT HAD 2 BE USED THAT DAY. > MENTALLY HANDICAPPED SHE NATCH > COMES 1ST, HONEYBS SECOND (HOPE > IRENE DOESN'T C THIS). THE TIX > WERE ON HAND 4 MONTHS. > > 3. I BUY HONEY BY THE PAIL > (60S) USUALLY FIVE AT A > CRACK. SHALL TRY CALLING > U SUN EVE. THANKS. > > jack the b-man > John Iannuzzi PhD * "Singing masons building roofs > 9772 Old Annapolis Rd * of gold." --Shakespeare > Ellicott City MD 21042 usa * 20 Italian colonies > ji0079@epfl2.epflbalto.org * 3-1/2 decades in beedom > Please, this is private and as such should be addressed to recipient direct and not to the whole news group. If you keep this up you are likely to get FLAMED. It is most bad mannered to type all in capitals, this is the same as shouting, and should be avoided.One final point please DELETE as much as possible of the messags you are answering. I left yours as is to prove a point. Rega rds....... ********************************************************* * David J. Eyre CEO 9 Progress Drive, Unit 2, * * The Beeworks Orillia, Ont, Canada, L3V 6H1* * beeworks@muskoka.net (705) 326 7171 * * http.//www.muskoka.net/~beeworks * ********************************************************** ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:40:30 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Morris Subject: Article on Toxic Honey The latest "Archaeology" magazine (vol 48 no. 6) has a great article on toxic honey. The cover of the magazine has a photo of a mummy portrait (another interesting article). The seven page article recounts unintentional and intentional consumption of honey noted in greek and roman classics and in more modern times. It seems that in the 18th century, toxic honey was added to alcholic beverages to give you a better 'buzz'. David Morris Laurel, MD ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:40:19 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Morris Subject: Re: Bees and Bears Dear Beekeeping Friends, (I mistakenly sent my original post to the server, not the board. Here is a re-post.) Since the Maryland DNR is reviewing their black bear policy, I would like to take this opportunity to ask beekeepers around the country about the different black bear policies in force in their states. Some of the issues being discussed here are compensation for damage to hives, bear population control measures, electric fences and public education. How has your state addressed these issues? Further, I would also appreciate information on how to get copies of different state policies on black bear control. Thank you, David Morris, President Maryland State Beekeepers Assn. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:45:13 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Dean Warsing Subject: Re: MD Honey HELLO,IM INTERESTED IN MARYLAND HONEY ....PLEASE E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY WARSING@AOL.COM WITH PRICES AND TYPES ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 17:24:12 +0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: wilhelm e kaosse Subject: Re: Article on Toxic Honey David Morris mentions in passing that "archeology" magazine says... " article recounts unintentional and >intentional consumption of honey noted in greek and roman classics and in >more modern times. It seems that in the 18th century, toxic honey was added >to alcholic beverages to give you a better 'buzz'." I had no idea apistan was an Egyption word. Inquiring minds wonder what things made honey toxic in the 1700's?(besides heather of course) Stuart Grant Point Roberts, Wa.(49 degrees north...123 degrees west) One hive and expanding... ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:31:57 -0800 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: Don Bowen Subject: Re: Photograph of a honeycomb -- without bee's in it >Hi, > >I was wondering if anyone had or knew of a photograph of a >honeycomb without bee's in it? It's for a book cover -- and the >subject is distributed algorithms in computer science (the honeycomb >resembles the concepts in the book). If you have a web browser, point it at the Smithsonion picture archives. THey have an excellent one. During a Political Correctness bout over "offensive swimsuit" screen savers and wallpaper at work, I down loaded the picture and used it as wallpaper then told wveryone about my picture of naked females. A few were taken in. I have also downloaded several pictures for my daughters grade school reports. Don Bowen donb@cts.com Valley Center, CA c_dbowen@qualcomm.com Bee Point acres Software engineer, woodworker, beekeeper 1936 Farmall 12 1966 Corvair Corsa 140 Convertible 1 wife, 3 kids, 2 dogs, 1 cat, 2 acres, no TV ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 23:01:48 -0500 Reply-To: Discussion of Bee Biology Sender: Discussion of Bee Biology From: David Morris Subject: Re: Article on Toxic Honey >From: boulder@WHIDBEY.COM (wilhelm e kaosse) In a message dated 95-10-31 20:25:32 EST, you write: >Inquiring minds wonder what things made honey toxic in the 1700's?(besides >heather, of course) > >Stuart Grant >Point Roberts, Wa.(49 degrees north...123 degrees west) >One hive and expanding. Honey from mountain laurel, rhododendrons and azeleas is toxic. In the area between the Caspian and Black Seas there are a lot of rhododendrons. I have read that beekeepers there raise bees for the beeswax and discard the honey. Dr. Rick Fell, of Virginia Tech(?), gave a great talk about two years ago at an MSBA meeting about a recent toxic honey poisoning that he investigated. The article also describes an event that happened somewhere in the South during the Civil War. So toxic honey is not just in the past or overseas. The article goes on to attribute occurances of toxic honey to extracting uncapped honey from early spring nectar flows when any toxic honey has not been diluted. It also indicated that evaporation may lessen the toxic effects, but I'm no chemist or toxicologist so I can't comment. In defense of beekeepers and honey in general that the public purchases, the article went on to indicate that since beekeepers extract capped honey, and it is blended in vast quantities, and the amount of potentially toxic honey is miniscule; the public doesn't have to worry about it. You really don't need to worry about it either (unless your back yard is a mountain of solid rhododendrons) ... but if your tongue tingles when you take that first spoon of honey, better watch it! For the rest of the story you will just have to read the magazine, or ask Dr. Fell to speak at your meeting. (Hey, Dr. Fell, how about I get %10 of your speaking fees as your agent! ) Cheers, David Morris