Article 23881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Nelsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Syrup Question Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:04:10 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8bvu1i$5of$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> References: <8bseha$k65$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.ae.a6 X-Server-Date: 30 Mar 2000 16:06:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23881 I think it's called a "doolittle" feeder. Same size as a frame, and fits in one frame's slot. I've got a screen down into it so the bees can crawl in and out. I checked for leakage, and it seems fine. Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.134bc35f71e4aec0989acd@news.pe.net... > What design of a feeder R U using? I used an upside down plastic > pail that I got from Bee Bob. It had holes poked in the plastic > lid and that worked fine but then last month I noted that the > feeder would empty in two days and it turned out there was a > small crack in the bottom of the feeder which was letting the > liquid leak out down into the hive. > > > > In article <8bseha$k65$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>, > mnelsen@mindspring.com says... > > Got a question for the experienced folks (I'm on my 2nd spring with 1 hive). > > > > I've been feeding them 1/1 sugar/water for the last 2 weeks (W. Oregon). > > They are bringing back plenty of pollen on warm 60 deg. days, but rainy 45 > > deg. days they stay in. > > So the question: > > They seem to consume a tremendous amount of this stuff. Only takes 2 days > > to drain the whole feeder (about 2 quarts of syrup set in the upper super). > > Is that normal? And do I have to keep it up until the dandelions/fruit > > trees bloom? > > > > Think I was very lucky, they seemed to end up the winter with little or no > > honey left when I checked back in mid-February. But thriving now. > > > > Mark N. > > > > > > Article 23882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm removal Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:18:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8bvuno$3q0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 30 16:18:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.34 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23882 Anyone interested in getting a swarm (actually a bee colony now) out of the wall or attic of a residence in Tallahassee, Florida? I haven't seen it yet because we live about 180 miles from there but I'll get all the information for anyone who interested. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:09:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 30 16:09:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.34 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23883 In article <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com>, alizax@aol.com (Alizax) wrote: > We had a feral hive in our back yard, which was fine with me but it bordered > neighbors fence: small children.... > > Had vector control dismantal it; they gave me a small bit of comb in a baggie. > I left it outside for several, maybe four, days--dead bees, comb and all. I > tasted honey that oozed out of the opening. It was delicious. Will I die? > Can I use the honey if I filter it? What should I do? > > Murderess in L.A. The answer to each of your first two questions is, YES, although the two events may not be related. (Unless vector control used poison, but they probably didn't or they wouldn't have given you the comb). What you should do is filter the honey through a clean cotton cloth, like a t-shirt, and use the honey. We've got a similar situation here now. About a week ago I moved some bees out of a wall into a hive box and left some comb with honey, pollen, bee larvae, and a few dead bees in a plastic bowl. Finally last night I set up a funnel and cloth filter to let it drain for a couple of days into a jar. Of course I will die too, but it won't be from eating the honey. :-) Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!triton.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Message-ID: References: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1751 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 954452387 216.100.16.37 (Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:39:47 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:39:47 MST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:39:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23884 In article <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com says... > Of course I will die too, but it won't be from > eating the honey. > It is said that when God rules the earth, the living will no longer die. But I digress into religious matters again (or did you?) - - anyway, there is a cute solar wax-melter shown on Jim Satterfield's top bar hive page, let's see, at: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/solmltr.htm and it works fine to recover the bees wax, but I have found that different brands of paper towel don't work well for the wax filter. I wonder if cotton cloth like you mention would work better for a wax filter? Article 23885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E3CD66.AABA2ED0@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thom\"SPAM really is a delicacy\"brad"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? References: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:56:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp39.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:56:42 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23885 I use #8 (8 holes per inch) screen for a coarse filter in my solar melter. For fine filtering use coffee filters, sweatshirt or T-shirt material, old pillowcase of sheets. All have been suggested and successfully used. Thom Bradley Peter Amschel wrote: > > In article <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com > says... > > Of course I will die too, but it won't be from > > eating the honey. > > > It is said that when God rules the earth, the living will no > longer die. > But I digress into religious matters again (or did you?) - - > anyway, there is a cute solar wax-melter shown on Jim > Satterfield's top bar hive page, let's see, at: > http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/solmltr.htm > and it works fine to recover the bees wax, but I have found that > different brands of paper towel don't work well for the wax > filter. I wonder if cotton cloth like you mention would work > better for a wax filter? Article 23886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Question Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:41:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8c1388$dm9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 31 02:41:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23886 Howdy All -- The question is: Do swarms ever leave their hive and go directly to the location the scouts have found? This would skip the clustering. I have not observed this happening, nor have I read of it happening, but I suspect that it does happen sometimes. Has anyone observed this ? Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:06:41 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn26.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954471462 24163 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23887 Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave the hive?? I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the right time). Thanks L.E.G. Article 23888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wire Crimper Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:29:40 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38e427d3.4381134@news.tco.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23888 Hi All I Am looking for a Wire Crimper that was sold by Brushy Mountain. It is listed on there Web Catalog but they have quit carrying them. If anyone has one and wants to sell it or knows of another Company that have them Please let me know. This is not a Spur Embedder but looks like 2 small gears that crimps the wire. Thanks Dan Article 23889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!typhoon.columbus.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mike Geis" From: "Mike Geis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeders Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.75.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.columbus.rr.com 954507215 24.95.75.22 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:53:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:53:35 EST Organization: Road Runner Columbus Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23889 It seems that there are three types of feeders. There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could replace it without taking off the inner cover. Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the hive in cold weather to replace syrup. I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. Thanks, Mike Geis Article 23890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!142.231.112.2!cyclone.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!not-for-mail From: Craig Adam Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: selection pressures on populations (was Re: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution) Date: 31 Mar 2000 07:36:31 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8c1khv$oi5$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> References: <8bsoji$qpm$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20000329110453.05973.00000986@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fraser.host.sfu.ca X-Trace: morgoth.sfu.ca 954488191 25157 192.168.100.25 (31 Mar 2000 07:36:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.sfu.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 07:36:31 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4u)) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23890 Hi all, I have just got a message from a fellow from Russia about this thread, so I did some research to see what's up in the field of bee disease cure/prevention. These two links have some info on imported Russian bees that may have evolved a partial resistance to Varroa: http://www.nalusda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/000008/42/0000084241.html http://www.albertabeekeepers.org/beenews/articles/a05_1197.htm And this link details extremely well, with numerous links, the state of the art in Varroa disease (1999 state of the art though :) It's title: MANAGING VARROA RESISTANCE TO PESTICIDES NOT IF, BUT WHEN I actually did not know that Varroa has become resistant to Apistan, but it appears it is in some places, and of course the resistance is spreading. Apparently Bayer Bee Strips is now the medicine to use? Anyways, it's a really good articale (a bit long) and worth the read. http://www.ifas.ufl.edu:7100/~mts/apishtm/apis99/apfeb99.htm Craig. Article 23891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: selection pressures on populations (was Re: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:35:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38e48c16.41599041@news1.radix.net> References: <8bsoji$qpm$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20000329110453.05973.00000986@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23891 On 29 Mar 2000 16:04:53 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: ><> > > Facinating question Adam. But before departing for uncharted territory, It's >best to define what you already know. A species is a group of individuals >sharing many characteristics and interbreedng freely. The breeding part is key: >If an animal can no longer interbreed with others of its former kind, then a >new species has developed. Then what are bronze turkeys? Due to their size that they have been bred for they can't beed with each other by themselves and are maintained by arificial insemination. Greg the beekeep Article 23892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Mar 2000 13:33:28 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000331083328.22362.00000054@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23892 Treid em all went back to division board feeders. I put a hole in the corner of the inner cover to make filling easier and disturb the hives less. Lift the telescope cover and fill the feeder through the hole. Make sure to put some floats in the feeders. I use burr comb for floats. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:51:20 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 59 Message-ID: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: tMt8XP0rF9RHFBAVtp4P9Q7NLpHtTb8kTYdskBdnuOM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 14:51:22 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23893 Hi Mike, Mike Geis wrote: > > It seems that there are three types of feeders. There are more... > There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar > with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The > disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and > attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. Even if you don't like this kind for feeding, it's useful for providing water in hot weather. > There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted > over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you > have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the > fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. > Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could > replace it without taking off the inner cover. I use this kind mostly. Mine hold 2 gallons so I don't need to refill so often. Needing to cover the bucket is sometimes a pain, but I usually feed when I don't need honey supers, so I can take out the frames and stack 2 empty super boxes on. > Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal > frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a > major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted > wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the > three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the > hive in cold weather to replace syrup. You can also just slide the inner cover over a couple inches without opening it up all the way. Another disadvantage with these is that it's easier for bees to drown in the syrup. If you make sure there are floats, it's safer. > I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three > options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. I like the bucket, except I put the div. board feeder in my nuc box. It can be hard to tell if the bucket starts to leak, but I haven't had much trouble with that. Make sure you get one with at least 2 in. wide screen - I have one with about 3/4" hole (1 gal bucket) and the bees don't take the syrup nearly as fast as with the bigger opening. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.servint.com!not-for-mail From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:51:57 -0500 Organization: ServInt Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <38E4F3CD.438E8AB5@digizen.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.22.32.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.servint.com 954513896 4654 216.22.32.24 (31 Mar 2000 14:44:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.servint.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 14:44:56 GMT To: Mike Geis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23894 With the bucket-feeder method, you don't have to waste a super to cover it.... you can make a simple super-sized cover out of scrap plywood. Instead of buying feeders.... I've made friends with the folks that run the local deli. Every couple of weeks they give me an empty large pickle-type jar, which I poke holes in to make a feeder. I found that lot of bees drown in my division board feeders, even with floats (I use wine corks). Also, depending on who made them, they tend to spread when full. I screwed a small block of wood into the middle at the top to prevent this. Lastly, I've been told that wintering bees are less likely to go to a division board feeder than to go to the bucket-type.... but have no personal opinion on it. Mike Geis wrote: > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > > There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar > with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The > disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and > attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. > > There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted > over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you > have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the > fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. > Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could > replace it without taking off the inner cover. > > Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal > frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a > major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted > wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the > three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the > hive in cold weather to replace syrup. > > I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three > options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. > > Thanks, > > Mike Geis Article 23895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:26:09 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: W74M2Uz9OnkPXhTTbGzO1fEmgrxLgX7OGuvQZSSsxDM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 21:26:11 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23895 Forgot something... Steve Huston wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Mike Geis wrote: > > > > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > > There are more... Some people use plastic baggies on the inner cover. I've never tried it, but I know people who use nothing else. You get a plastic bag (like a zip-loc 1 quart size) and fill it maybe 3/4 (maybe less) with syrup. Lay it on the inner cover (not over the hole) and then cut a slit in the top of the bag with a razor or utility knife. Put a shallow super or a spacer on top of the inner cover to give the baggie some space. The bees will drink from the slits. I've heard that with a little practice you can refill the bag while it's laying on the cover. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:38:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8c39dc$peo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 31 22:38:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23896 >gmt@crosslink.net wrote: > Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will >leave the hive?? > L.E.G. ***************************************** Howdy LEG -- The great majority of swarms take off in the warmest part of the day. Usually around noon or shortly after. It's an interesting sight to see them leave on their new journey. They make a characteristic sound while in the air before they cluster. In a yard with several colonies which are in a swarm mood, several swarms will leave at about the same time and will often JOIN TOGETHER. They seem to sort out the multiple queen problem without our help. If you hive a swarm as soon as you capture it, they will sometimes leave to join another swarm in the air. That is why I prefer to keep the captured swarm in a cardboard box (apple box etc) and put them in a hive at dusky darm. If a frame or two containing young larvae is included in their new home, they will not leave. They will be too busy feeding the babies. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: RodneyCMoore@webtv.net (Rodney Moore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chalkbrood Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:45:56 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApGXt+xxABW/1mzBb0b4HE1P5oTACFF5Zullf9hqTtg+Cncgi46hOR8AO Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23897 I have a stand of bees which I think has chalkbrood. The bees are carrying out dead brood. It looks like it is still in the pupal stage. Only it is dried out. There was several on the landing board and on the ground. What do I do? I have four other stands right beside of them. Are they going to get it too? In the same stand I did also see a wax moth larvae. Could this have something to do with it? Article 23898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Question Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:25:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8c3c99$4jj$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8c1388$dm9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-208.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954545257 4723 62.136.21.208 (31 Mar 2000 23:27:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 23:27:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23898 Yes - happens frequently - swarms have been observed to leave a hive and go straight into another empty one. However, it is certain that the scouts have already investigated the new home thoroughly. Pete wrote in message news:8c1388$dm9$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > Howdy All -- > > The question is: Do swarms ever leave their hive and go directly > to the location the scouts have found? This would skip the clustering. > > I have not observed this happening, nor have I read of it happening, > but I suspect that it does happen sometimes. > > Has anyone observed this ? > > Pete > > -- > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:26:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8c3c9a$4jj$3@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-208.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954545258 4723 62.136.21.208 (31 Mar 2000 23:27:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 23:27:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23899 Usually mid-day (12-2) for a prime swarm, but casts can vary much more. L.E.G. wrote in message news:38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net... > Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave > the hive?? > I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the > right time). > Thanks > L.E.G. > Article 23900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:23:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8c3c97$4jj$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-208.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954545255 4723 62.136.21.208 (31 Mar 2000 23:27:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 23:27:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23900 Mike Geis wrote in message news:jd1F4.11330$_c3.77859@typhoon.columbus.rr.com... > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > ------------------------------ ... and you can use fondant (which I consider to be the best and easiest) or just sugar (bags soaked in water or granulated sugar placed on the crown board (inner cover). Article 23901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E543F3.81C2A6C8@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 00:20:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 954548402 24.112.144.102 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:20:02 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:20:02 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23901 There is one other MAJOR type of feeder - the Miller. It it the one that is the same size as a shallow super and holds about 4 gallons, stays warm from the hive's own heat and can be filled without disturbing the bees too much. Regards, Glen. Mike Geis wrote: > > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > > There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar > with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The > disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and > attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. > > There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted > over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you > have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the > fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. > Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could > replace it without taking off the inner cover. > > Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal > frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a > major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted > wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the > three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the > hive in cold weather to replace syrup. > > I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three > options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. > > Thanks, > > Mike Geis Article 23902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!199.45.45.8!cyclone1.gnilink.net!typhoon1.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey From: mead-maker@NOHYPHENSbell-atlantic.net (Trask) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <8amthf$r02$1@ionews.ionet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 21 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 01:18:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.156.42.240 X-Trace: typhoon1.gnilink.net 954551896 141.156.42.240 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:18:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:18:16 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23902 >I have honey in 5 gallon pails that has partially crystallized. >be the best way to melt the honey back to original state without >properties of the honey. If you don't want to take the time to do this consider making contact with a local homebrewing clubs. When I brew mead I'm looking for good tasting, aromatic honey. Crystalization is fine and 2 batches I've done seem to ferment better/faster than liquid honey. Don't know why nor would hazard a guess... Wassail, Chris Sterling, VA --- Head brewer/bottle-washer at Hummingbird Cellars (1 sip will leave 'ya humming) Meads Fermenting: Strawberry, Traditional Bulk-aging or bottled: Apricot, Blackberry, Blueberry(3), Citrus-Ginger, Cyser, Melon, Peach(2), Plum, Pyment, Raspberry(2),Vanilla, Sack, Braggot Article 23903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E54817.FDB8DE35@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wire Crimper References: <38e427d3.4381134@news.tco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 00:43:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954549827 24.161.116.74 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:43:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:43:47 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23903 Crimper is available from Thomas, a major European equipment supplier (Fay-aux-Loges, France). It is featured on p. 7 of a recent catalog (1996/7 -- item no. 0413, = "Roulette Zig-Zag.") You can request their catalog over the WWW, at: http://www.beekeeping.com/thomas/ Dan Dempsey wrote: > Hi All > > I Am looking for a Wire Crimper that was sold by Brushy Mountain. > It is listed on there Web Catalog but they have quit carrying them. > If anyone has one and wants to sell it or knows of another Company > that have them Please let me know. > > This is not a Spur Embedder but looks like 2 small gears that crimps > the wire. > > Thanks Dan Article 23904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lindagreg5@aol.com (LindaGreg5) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Apr 2000 02:44:49 GMT References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000331214449.18398.00000274@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23904 The best solution I have found is to requeen the hive. The break in brood cycles allows the workers to clean as much of the dead larva out as they can, and to clean the cells. This probably wont "cure" them of this disease. but it will allow the bees to control it. Yes your other hives are probably infected at some level, although it may not be noticable this season. The wax moth is not a vector for this disease, however mites are probably present, and contributed to the hive stress that caused this breakout. Go the the Penn State web site for more on this and other "diseases" Article 23905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: natural hive Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Apr 2000 03:28:10 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <20000331222810.16227.00000310@ng-bh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23905 Any body ever try to do beekeeping without the aid of any chemicals. Is it possible and under what conditions. Thanks Al Article 23906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news-x.support.nl!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!news2.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail From: "hans" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Jobs Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:24:50 +0200 Organization: EuroNet Internet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8c4fau$1frh$1@buty.wanadoo.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1353.vmw.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: buty.wanadoo.nl 954581150 49009 194.134.199.117 (1 Apr 2000 09:25:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: The appropriate party according to NNTP-Posting-Host: NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Apr 2000 09:25:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23906 If there is anyone in need of new personel for the agricultural sector, they can post there requests in the AgriJobs-database. The form can be found at http://www.agrarischplein.com/vacatures.html This month (April), there will be no charges for posting your requests. Article 23907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!bignews.mediaways.net!news-x.support.nl!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!news2.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail From: "Jaap Brouwers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ford and Hanomag tractors and shovels Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:36:49 +0200 Organization: EuroNet Internet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8c4g1d$1hhb$1@buty.wanadoo.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1353.vmw.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: buty.wanadoo.nl 954581869 50731 194.134.199.117 (1 Apr 2000 09:37:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: The appropriate party according to NNTP-Posting-Host: NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Apr 2000 09:37:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23907 We're looking for Ford and Hanomag tractors and shovels. If you can help us, please mail us at jaap@oo.nl Article 23908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 16:54:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8c59j3$r7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.95.162 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 01 16:54:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.95.162 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtimjk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23908 What I use is two 1 gallon baggies. I fill them both with 1-1/2 gallons of syrup. I lay the baggies directly on top of the frames and make two 2 inch slits per bag. This is really the way to go. Quick and easy and works excellent! Tim Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E632C3.203AC8AD@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 17:24:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954609893 24.161.116.74 (Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:24:53 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:24:53 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23909 "They say" swarms usually emerge (or break cluster to migrate to a home-site) between 10 AM and 2 PM. I have seen quite a few take to the air almost exactly _at_ 10 am (as if they had read one of the books!). Occasionally they can even come out a little earlier in the AM -- esp. if it is very warm outside. So it depends. But most are somewhere close to mid-day. Nevertheless, one year, on a humid June day, we had some heavy, gusty thunderstorms move through our area. The storms ended around 5 pm, at which time I happened- to be near one of my yards. I decided to stop by just for a brief visit, and upon my arrival, to my surprise, there was a large swarm in the air, coming down to take possession of a stack of old equipment that had been left there. Considering how low the sun was by then, it was quite a late arrival, and rather unusual. Perhaps they didn't want to risk any more time hanging around on some tree limb, in the rain! Similarly, last August I had a swarm "show up" and move into some old supers here at home, and that was around 4 pm. The scout bees had been checking out the empty hive for several days, weeks, in fact, but even on the day when they finally decided to migrate, they didn't embark until quite late. That was rather surprising -- I expected they might arrive and "move in" on some day during the morning hours, but they postponed til well after the typical "10-to-2" window, for some reason. (It had been balmy and sunny througout the day; not particularly hot outside. They could have migrated anytime.) "L.E.G." wrote: > Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave > the hive?? > I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the > right time). > Thanks > L.E.G. Article 23910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: skunk problem Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:48:14 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8c68u7$p7o$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h6-157.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 954640135 25848 63.75.191.157 (2 Apr 2000 01:48:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 01:48:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23910 Hello beekeeps. I have a skunk who is stratching at one of my hives. Do you guys have any suggestions on it. Will it mess up the hive? I will either move it, or remove the animal if found. preacher Article 23911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!news.deakin.edu.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E6BB9F.E386DCD9@deakin.edu.au> From: Adrian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: natural hive References: <20000331222810.16227.00000310@ng-bh1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:16:47 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.132.57.66 X-Trace: news.deakin.edu.au 954645424 139.132.57.66 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:04 EST Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23911 Jajwuth wrote: > Any body ever try to do beekeeping without the aid of any chemicals. Is it > possible and under what conditions. > This depends on what you mean by chemicals... I have kept hives fairly succesfully without any chemical interferance, and in fact lost FEWER hives than when I was working with a friend who uses proprietary doses of terramycin. (his colonies were WIPED OUT by foul brood) The important thing when not using chemicals is that all equipment can be scrupulously cleaned between hives to reduce the chance of spreading infection, and to know what you are looking for and to be able to isolate a hive IMMEDIATELY of you think there are any problems what so ever. In nearly all agricultural areas, chemicals are only there to make the job easier, not necessarily to make the results any better. After all, just about everything we grow has been grown for thousands of years, without chemicals. I hope this answers your question. Adrian. Article 23912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38E6BF52.45CC5EDE@cybertours.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 22:32:34 -0500 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: April2000 issue Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1398966F8C73A5099CD66167" NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.124 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.124 X-Trace: 1 Apr 2000 22:21:20 -0500, 209.222.80.124 Lines: 43 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.124 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23912 --------------1398966F8C73A5099CD66167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! 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  --------------1398966F8C73A5099CD66167-- Article 23913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!news.deakin.edu.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E6B5DD.368085E1@deakin.edu.au> From: Adrian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:52:13 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.132.57.66 X-Trace: news.deakin.edu.au 954643950 139.132.57.66 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:52:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:52:30 EST Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23913 All thwe reading I have done, and all the keepers I have spoken to suggest that most fruit trees and their ornamental relatives are not of particularly great value to bees for either nectar or pollen. They have enough of each to attract bees for pollination, but you will NOT buil up a strong hive exclusively on this type of tree. A friend of mine recommends letting bees build up their stores of honey elsewhere before putitng them to work in orchards. "L.E.G." wrote: > Hi > Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if > any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. > Thanks in advance for your help > L.E.G. Article 23914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hygiene Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Apr 2000 06:25:27 GMT References: <8b6v1u$b5o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402012527.02613.00001399@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23914 I too live in the PNW and I do not have trouble with mold in my hives. I think I should beings I live on the SOUND and 1 block from the boat ramp. You simply need to ventilate properly. Laura Article 23915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baggie Feeders Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38e85efa.115531949@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> <8c59j3$r7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 60 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 10:42:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.244.76.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954672156 209.244.76.127 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:42:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:42:36 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23915 If you use the 'baggie method", watch your hives carefully. Baggies are an inexpensive, efficient way to feed but the same can be said for quickly killing/demoralizing your hive the same way. Most hives are set at an incline to keep moisture off the bottom board. If baggie feeders leak and drip onto the hive you can create REAL problems for that hive. If it's too cold to drink what's dripped, the hive can be subdued by the cold syrup - or create a fanatic robbing session on the next warm day. Either way, that hive is doomed if you don't catch the drip in time. If you find a hive that has syrup dripping to the bottom board - correct the dripping feeder and immediately replace/wash the bottom board of syrup. You also might have to move the hive if robbing has started. Be prepared for robbing by picking out a site to move hives (best, 3+ miles away) and have gear ready to close and move hives at a moments notice (tape, mesh entrance reducer, hive staples, tie-straps). Remember to remove the leftover baggie before you move any hive. Anytime you see robbing, take action immediately. Don't wait to move that hive until nightfall. If the robbing hasn't escalated and the hive is still big enough to fight, you may just need to reduce the entrance - provided you've removed the syrup that attracted the robbers. Tips on using the baggie method: You can refill the bags directly through the slits. Make sure use razor at least 1-2" away from the sides of the bag leaving approx. 3" slits - 1" apart. Three cuts ought to give the bees plenty of space to drink. Make certain these cuts are in opposite direction of the frames to avoid baggies sinking between frames, allowing the slits to drip. Photos on this subject can be found on Barry Birkey's site: http://www.beesource.com/eob/baggie.htm Great beekeeping season to everyone! Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA >What I use is two 1 gallon baggies. I fill them both with 1-1/2 gallons >of syrup. I lay the baggies directly on top of the frames and make two >2 inch slits per bag. >This is really the way to go. Quick and easy and works excellent! >Tim > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 23916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time - evidence Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38ea67bd.117775802@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 10:56:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.244.76.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954672976 209.244.76.127 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:56:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:56:16 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23916 Last summer a swarm ensued from one of my relocated 'feral' colonies just as I was hiving another not five feet away. The bees in the new hive had been dumped and the queen was located and secured into a queen cage (my way to make certain the swarms stay). The new queen was still in my hand. When the hive 'next-door' started to cluster on a nearby branch, I knew their queen had just landed. I place my hand (with the queen) between the swarming bees and their queen. A few minutes later and I had a picture perfect swarm dripping from my bare hand. They were simply shaken into the new hive with the other bees and the pitiful remainder on the branch with the swarm queen was carted off to an observation hive. This took place during the best weather of the day, around 2pm. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:06:41 +0000, "L.E.G." wrote: >Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave >the hive?? >I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the >right time). >Thanks >L.E.G. > Article 23917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Another swarm question... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:17:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954695831 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:11 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23917 Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to the original colony? And if so, how close is "too close?" I wonder, might this have implications as regarding competition for local forage (e.g., perhaps a more distant site would be more advantageous due to less competition?) I dimly recall reading a paper that dealt with homesite selection, some years ago, which (I think) indicated that swarms _tend_ to choose sites that are some distance away from the parent colony. Maybe some more recent research has delved into the subject. Might someone on the ng have info about this? In any case, I have often set up old, empty hives in my apiaries to attract stray swarms, and have had them occupied, but I always just figured the swarms came from some distance away. Peter's comments in his recent post suggest that swarms can and do sometimes take possession of empty hives right in the vicinity of the parent colony. Maybe even in the same apiary. So I wonder if this is at all common. Thanks for any info--comments--discussion... Joel nr. Ithaca, NY Article 23918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: black Pierco frames -- ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:22:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954696137 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:22:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:22:17 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23918 why are they offering black now, as well as the white? advantages? Article 23919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E7895F.DDB3384B@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: El cheapo floors & lids? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:46:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954697603 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:46:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:46:43 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23919 Wondering what "minimalist" covers and bottoms might be used by others. Also about combination floors/lids. I use several makeshift combo lids, which are basically 1/2" thick CDX plywood boards cut to fit (same dimensions as the top of a super) and having 3/8" high risers on three edges. When the boards are used as floors, these risers provide the usual bottom entrance across the front of the hive. When used as lids, the flat side of the board is facing down toward the hive body. These seem to work fine, except for a few of them which have warped, either in the hot sun or due to moisture. I did not expect CDX (exterior) plywood to warp, but some of them did. Most stay nice and flat, tho'. I've heard of something called "marine grade" plywood, which might be more reliable, but I'm not quite sure if it is substantially different from regular CDX.(?) (Where might one find this grade plywood, and is it expensive in comparison?) "Migratory" style flat lids are fairly inexpensive, and even used by some northen beekeepers, without inner-covers. But -- how do they hold up, and do the bees winter just as well? Regarding another idea which I have sometimes seen in illustrations, some French beekeepers utilize a very close-fitting sheet-metal telescoping cover, apparently over a wooden inner cover. (Anybody seen these? & is that in fact how they are used?) Seems this type of outer lid would be cheaper and lighter than the usual wooden telescoping cover, while providing similar protection. Interested in any comments, or other ideas for the most inexpensive lids and floors that will serve well, provide adequate protection, and not warp! tnx, J. Article 23920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!triton.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Apr 2000 19:35:47 GMT References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402153547.22358.00000338@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23920 Easy to see eggs and small larvae against black. For us beekeepers with gray hair this is a plus. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another swarm question... Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38ebecc1.151832997@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:24:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.2.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954707077 209.245.2.73 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:24:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:24:37 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23921 Whomever knows exactly why bees choose their homes? It's not uncommon to find houses and trees with multiple hives in different parts. Different colonies can coexist separated only by a piece of wood. It doesn't take a leap of faith to observe bees will pick closer hive sites over far away, simply because the chances of finding it are greater. On more than one occasion I've pulled out multiple feral colonies within 50 yards of each other and the similarities are great. There are many clues in a hive besides bee coloring and temperment. Age of the comb and sightings from home owners are great clues to find approximately where the bees came from. Swarmed out bees will build to roughly the same size & type of comb structure (more burr comb/less; straight or jagged comb; size; etc) as they did in the swarmed out colony. The best clues come from the bees themselves but you can never be sure where the hives really came from. Some homeowners think their 'hives' have been populated for the last twenty-five years......by the same colony. Matthew Westall (posting while I can) // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA >Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> > >Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to >the original colony? > >And if so, how close is "too close?" I wonder, might this have >implications as regarding competition for local forage (e.g., perhaps a >more distant site would be more advantageous due to less competition?) Article 23922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38ecef99.152560475@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:36:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.2.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954707809 209.245.2.73 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:36:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:36:49 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23922 If you call Pierco, Nick will claim the queens lay better because there's less reflection from the sun with black foundation....... Nick isn't a beekeeper and this observation certainly isn't his own. Truth be told, Tom's suggestion that you can see the eggs better is a GREAT advantage in assessing hive strength and queen management to beginners and commercial beekeepers alike. Instead of searching for new white eggs against a white background, you save minutes by quickly finding the newest eggs (and the queen!) against the black foundation. Who doesn't want to save a few minutes managing their hive? Less stress on the bees and less work searching for eggs/queen (queens can be found next to the new eggs 90% of the time). For expedious bee management, buy the black foundation for the deeps and white for honey supers. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:22:17 GMT, JGinNY wrote: >why are they offering black now, as well as the white? >advantages? > Article 23923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:21:51 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23923 As a injection molding tech. Id say they offer black because its cheaper to make. You can use recycled plastic and the contamination isnt visable. I'm sure they dont pass that reduced cost on to you but thats the reason they do it. Dave JGinNY wrote in message <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu>... >why are they offering black now, as well as the white? >advantages? > Article 23924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:15:42 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954711441 28440 62.136.3.41 (2 Apr 2000 21:37:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 21:37:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23924 You need to be sure that this is chalkbrood. Have a look at the brood in the hive - larvae killed by chalkbrood usually look like mouldy pollen in the cells (white or greyish). There is one key difference between chalkbrood and mouldy pollen and that is that chalkbrood does not affect the head of the larva - so you will always see a yellow dot in the middle of white or grey mass as you look at the cell. Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started treating varroa with thymol crystals. Rodney Moore wrote in message news:2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > I have a stand of bees which I think has chalkbrood. The bees are > carrying out dead brood. It looks like it is still in the pupal stage. > Only it is dried out. There was several on the landing board and on the > ground. What do I do? I have four other stands right beside of them. Are > they going to get it too? In the same stand I did also see a wax moth > larvae. Could this have something to do with it? > Article 23925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another swarm question... Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:04:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954718361 nnrp-06:29663 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 47 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23925 In article <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu>, JGinNY writes >Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> > >Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to >the original colony? No comment on how common. I had a swarm move to a bait hive 4 or 5 feet away and 6 feet in the air last year. I had a friend report on a colony in the side of his house swarm and then move to the other face of the house behind the wooden facing. He didn't say if it went directly or via a tree. I also housed a swarm, which I had allowed to emerge, 5 miles away but it moved to a bigger hive 20 feet away full of old comb. It actually left a half a frame of brood. I had a swarm move to a tree and later to a bait hive about 40 feet from the swarmed stock. I had thought it had come from elsewhere until I looked in what had been a bait hive the previous year which had attracted a swarm from somewhere, possibly a neglected colony about 200 yards away (owner died, empty house). But since I have had a swarm, which I hived on the old site (with the swarmed stock above it, entrance the other way), leave after it produced 3 frames of brood, I now always do the full business: move them 3 miles or more, throw them on to a cloth and let them climb up. I have lost swarms when there were bait hives in the apiary on occasion, so I must presume they go any distance depending on what the scouts find. I have a friend who took a swarm from a tree in his garden which he saw coming over open country from the direction of an apiary over 3 miles away. Since there was no bait hive, which they might have chosen, I can only presume they were on their way somewhere much further and needed a break from flying. I don't know the weather or time of day. I have also walked with a swarm in a direct line to the corner of the roof of a large house where I had seen bees taking a look. Fortunately it started to rain and they collected in a tree at a height easy to take, unlike the tree they had gone into. If I was right about the target, it was about a hundred yards from the hive. I do inspect on a 7 day basis but occasionally miss out. That's when Murphy's law of swarm prevention comes in. They go when you turn your back (i.e. on the 8th day when you don't go). -- James Kilty Article 23926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 01:08:08 GMT References: <8c68u7$p7o$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402210808.16505.00000438@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23926 Put down nail boards around front of hive. Use bungee cords to keep the cover from being knocked off. I use an asphalt shingle with nails pushed through for my nail board, because 1) the nails go through with the push of my hand so there is no hammering to give you carpal tunnel, and 2) when you step on nails sticking through an asphalt shingle, they tend to lean to the side rather than going through your shoe. In my successful experience thwarting skunks and raccoons, soft paws are not risked on sharp nails. Article 23927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: natural hive Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 01:13:52 GMT References: <38E6BB9F.E386DCD9@deakin.edu.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23927 Adrian wrote: <> Terramycin is not a chemical. TM is derived from a naturally occuring substance. It's manufactured from fungi. Terramycin is listed in a chart titled "Pesticides Often Accepted for Use On or Around Some Types of Organically Grown Produce" in a book called "Pests of the Garden and Small Farm" (2nd edition) by Mary Louise Flint, director of IPM Education and Publications for the California IPM Project, and an extension entomologist at UC Davis. The book was published in 1998, so until the new U.S. federal regs. kicked in recently, this was probably the most current thinking on organic pesticide use in the state of California, and maybe nationally. California regulations are significant nationwide because so much of its produce is sold elsewhere. I've purchased organics in Massachusetts marked "Certified Organic in the State of California." Article 23928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: alizax@aol.com (Alizax) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 01:32:06 GMT References: <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402213206.07339.00000457@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23928 Thank you all for your replies. Another questions relating to below: >We've got a similar situation here now. About a week ago I moved some bees out of a wall into a hive box and left some comb with honey, pollen, bee larvae, and a few dead bees in a plastic bowl. Finally last night I set up a funnel and cloth filter to let it drain for a couple of days into a jar. Of course I will die too, but it won't be from eating the honey. :-) Just to make sure I understand: There were quite a few bees plus who knows what in the baggie--for a week!!! No poison. I did strain the honey through a sieve and several layers of cheesecloth, which did the trick. The honey is good, but it has a little taste: are you sure I'm not tasting essence of dead bee? Thanks, again, --A little squeamish in L.A. Article 23929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:23:25 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 60 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust177.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8c92e4$cnl$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> <38ecef99.152560475@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust177.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23929 > >why are they offering black now, as well as the white? > >advantages? > Truth be told, Tom's suggestion that you can see the eggs better is a > GREAT advantage in assessing hive strength and queen management to > beginners and commercial beekeepers alike. That's one thing. The other is that I demanded it when I bought 10,000. I think others did too. We discussed this on BEE-L and the consensus grew. I remember when they experimented with green (ugh). I came across one in the brood chamber the other day. Why did I want black? Actually I wanted a deep chocolate brown, but they could not get it at a cost I could afford. I wanted that colour because we used to produce tens of thousands of Ross Rounds (See http://www.RossRounds.com ). We had RR frames that were white, frames that were light brown, and frames that were the deep brown they sell today. Our (non-beekeeper) staff that unloaded the frames and packaged the combs always remarked that the bees made more and better combs in the dark frames. Was it the colour, or some other subtle difference, I don't know, but I do know that I did not want to take a chance when I could get a dark colour. Also, white Pierco frames soon look dirty. Is black *really* better? I don't know, but -- if I am not telling tales out of school -- a researcher will be testing ten hives started on white Permadent against ten colonies started on black Permadent this summer. Stay tuned. We know that black bodies and white bodies react differently in respect to heat radiation. If we see a difference in performance, then we can make up a theory. Speaking of Pierco, did you know that the Pierco foundation uses a slightly smaller cell size (~5.25mm) than other foundation (~5.4mm)? A frame of Pierco holds 20% more brood than a frame of Permadent, partly due to the smaller cell, and partly due to the smaller top bar . That additional brood density can be important in the spring in the north country when a few old bees try to cover as much brood as they can feed. As for the question of cell size, do larger cells make larger bees? MAYBE. Work from the beginning of the last century seemed to show that to be true -- but only by a small amount. Are bigger bees any better? Who knows. They are in theory -- some theory, at least., but recently, the trend has been to think that smaller cells are better. If the people who say that are right, then Pierco has stolen a march on all the other foundation producers. Visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ to find out more about this and other fascinating topics. There is some discussion of colour of foundation in the BEE-L logs (can bees see in the dark?) and sci.ag.bee archives. Both are easily accessible from link at the top of the page. Also some ideas on the new worker cell size controversy can be found on the "Comparing Worker Comb" link. If you have top bar hives, have some swarm-made wild comb around, or live outside North America, we particularly want to hear from you. allen Article 23930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:11:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8c9u90$l2b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000402213206.07339.00000457@ng-ct1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.49 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 03 11:11:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.49 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23930 In article <20000402213206.07339.00000457@ng-ct1.aol.com>, alizax@aol.com (Alizax) wrote: ... The honey is good, but it has a little taste: are you sure I'm not tasting essence of dead bee? > Thanks, again, > --A little squeamish in L.A. Dear squeamish, Entirely possible but I don't know what dead bees taste like. I've eaten larvae right out of the cells and they don't have much taste at all. My recommendation (for you, not me) is to taste a dead bee and see if you pick up the same taste. :-) Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:39:01 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38E8E545.AEE44D9A@riverace.com> References: <8c68u7$p7o$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hgPqWPDdPINIC/WGGokgU66c7Fp165C3n7zFF+yDAyA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 18:39:03 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23931 You can roll up a piece of 4-5 ft chicken wire into a roll about 1 ft diameter. Put it in front of the hive entrance. Skunks don't like to walk on the wire. You can also raise your hive(s) about 8-12 inches higher off the ground - if skunks have to get up on their hind feet to reach the opening, they expose their underbellies which are significantly more prone to stings. -Steve Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > > Hello beekeeps. > I have a skunk who is stratching at one of my hives. Do you guys have any > suggestions on it. > Will it mess up the hive? I will either move it, or remove the animal if > found. > preacher -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mapping bee wings Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:01:07 GMT Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-11.porcupine-puffer.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 954799674 3119 62.137.50.139 (3 Apr 2000 22:07:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 22:07:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23932 Somebody I heard the other day was discussing a method by which you could section the wing of a bee and make a graph from the various veins etc to confirm the strain of bee you have is consistent. Does anybody have more info on this? What is it called? Any idea where I can read more about it? Thanks Steve Newport Article 23933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another swarm question... Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:43:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8cb78b$5jg$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-236.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 954802251 5744 62.136.11.236 (3 Apr 2000 22:50:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 22:50:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23933 Preferred distance is said to be a quarter of a mile. JGinNY wrote in message news:38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu... > Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> > > Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to > the original colony? > Article 23934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38E7895F.DDB3384B@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: El cheapo floors & lids? Lines: 54 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954805301 12.72.41.88 (Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:41 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23934 I make all my bottoms and tops (migratory) out of 1 x 6 rough redwood fencing boards. Cheap, decay resistant, stable, and easy to work with. The only disadvantage is that the nice bright white paint soon turns pink! Left unpainted, it will weather to a nice gray color. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "JGinNY" wrote in message news:38E7895F.DDB3384B@cornell.edu... > Wondering what "minimalist" covers and bottoms might be used by others. > Also about combination floors/lids. > > I use several makeshift combo lids, which are basically 1/2" thick CDX > plywood boards cut to fit (same dimensions as the top of a super) and > having 3/8" high risers on three edges. When the boards are used as > floors, these risers provide the usual bottom entrance across the front > of the hive. When used as lids, the flat side of the board is facing > down toward the hive body. > > These seem to work fine, except for a few of them which have warped, > either in the hot sun or due to moisture. I did not expect CDX > (exterior) plywood to warp, but some of them did. Most stay nice and > flat, tho'. > > I've heard of something called "marine grade" plywood, which might be > more reliable, but I'm not quite sure if it is substantially different > from regular CDX.(?) (Where might one find this grade plywood, and is > it expensive in comparison?) > > "Migratory" style flat lids are fairly inexpensive, and even used by > some northen beekeepers, without inner-covers. But -- how do they hold > up, and do the bees winter just as well? > > Regarding another idea which I have sometimes seen in illustrations, > some French beekeepers utilize a very close-fitting sheet-metal > telescoping cover, apparently over a wooden inner cover. (Anybody seen > these? & is that in fact how they are used?) Seems this type of outer > lid would be cheaper and lighter than the usual wooden telescoping > cover, while providing similar protection. > > Interested in any comments, or other ideas for the most inexpensive lids > and floors that will serve well, provide adequate protection, and not > warp! > > tnx, > J. Article 23935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Lines: 23 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954805299 12.72.41.88 (Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:39 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23935 I use Pierco almost exclusively. When I cull old wood/wax frames, the wax is replaced with snap-in plastic if the wood is still serviceable. So I am a big fan of plastics (remember "The Graduate"). I think the argument that eggs are more visible against the black is a short-lived advantage as the white will take on a brown color as brood are reared. I have stayed away from the black for only 1 reason. Our summers are typically over 105 F and all that black just absorbs too much heat when working the hives. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "JGinNY" wrote in message news:38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu... > why are they offering black now, as well as the white? > advantages? > Article 23936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net> Subject: Re: Mapping bee wings Lines: 26 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:43:08 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.232.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 954830665 159.134.232.64 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:44:25 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:44:25 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23936 It is called morphology, and is a method by measuring various features f bees to determine the race of the bees and whether they are hybrids. for the wings you need to get a good enlargement of the wings and then take the ratio of the length of two particular veins in the wing. The alignment of the veins is also important. Further information is available in "THE DARK EUROPEAN HONEY BEE" available from BIBBA. Ruary Rudd rrudd@eircom.net Steve Newport wrote in message news:38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net... > Somebody I heard the other day was discussing a method by which you > could section the wing of a bee and make a graph from the various > veins etc to confirm the strain of bee you have is consistent. > > Does anybody have more info on this? > What is it called? > Any idea where I can read more about it? > > Thanks > Steve Newport Article 23937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: excluders? TO use or not to use? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:04:41 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ren49-04.labs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 954864281 21941 129.101.6.210 (4 Apr 2000 16:04:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2000 16:04:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23937 My sisters hive (my old hive) has swarmed 4 times in 5 days!(now she has three hives and sold one swarm!) She had some local beekeeping gu-ru stop by and take a look. He immediatly took the queen excluder out and said that he doesn't use them. Doesn't this cause problems with harvesting, etc?? He said that there wasn't enough room, etc. and that is why they are swarming. The brood is one deep and one medium body (rotated in mid march) the rest of the hive consisted of three medium bodies. Also, there was no sign of mites, etc, infestation. Article 23938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Lines: 48 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.47.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954870153 12.72.47.225 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23938 A QX will not by itself cause the bees to swarm. I assume the QX was on top of the deep and medium since you say this is the brood chamber. If the bees are reluctant to go thru the QX then the bodies below can become "plugged" with nectar. The best way to overcome this reluctance is to provide an entrance above the QX. This can be done in several ways but the quickest is to just stager the supers forward about 1/2". Just because the guru doesn't use them doesn't mean they are bad. There are many ways to keep bees properly and probably more ways to keep them improperly. Some queens have a tendency to go up as high as they can and some will stay below so the decision to use a QX can be made on an individual colony basis. If I find a queen starts to lay in the first super when there is plenty of room below, I will put her below and add a QX. If I want comb honey, they ALWAYS get a QX before I add the super. If you find a bunch of brood in your honey supers that you want to harvest, find the queen and put her below a QX. After 3 weeks there will be no more brood above the QX. Other things to consider: How old is the queen? What race of bees? (some have a high tendency to swarm) Is 1 deep and 1 medium enough of a brood chamber? (consider 2 deep or 3 medium) Did reversing contribute to the problem? (poorly timed it can make things worse) -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message news:38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu... > My sisters hive (my old hive) has swarmed 4 times in 5 days!(now she has > three hives and sold one swarm!) She had some local beekeeping gu-ru > stop by and take a look. He immediatly took the queen excluder out and > said that he doesn't use them. Doesn't this cause problems with > harvesting, etc?? He said that there wasn't enough room, etc. and that > is why they are swarming. The brood is one deep and one medium body > (rotated in mid march) the rest of the hive consisted of three medium > bodies. Also, there was no sign of mites, etc, infestation. > Article 23939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive splits Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:26:29 -0400 Organization: Information Technology, Lambton College Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38EA25C5.A28D590@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23939 I currently have two hives and would like to double that this spring. I was wondering what is the best way to perform a hive split. I understand that requeening from a reputable supplier is best to minimize 'down time' and also to promote particular traits. (mite resitance, etc). Should I distance the 'new' hive from the old one? thanks, -- Mark Veltman Article 23940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A.Poluektov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:40:38 +0400 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip45.parma.ru Message-ID: <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.parma.ru X-Trace: 4 Apr 2000 14:30:55 +0400, ns.parma.ru Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news2.aha.ru!news.rosprint.net!news.parma.ru!ip45.parma.ru Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23940 >Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it >has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started >treating varroa with thymol crystals. > Peter, give please me the answer. Than you treated earlier varroa? The last five years I treated varroa by a remedy of which contains amitraz. And all five years I have chalkbrood. Now I think that this remedy probably promotes increase chalkbrood. A this year I want to try treating with thymol crystals. How you it carry out? Andrey Article 23941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New pages - 2000 - from the "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:25:48 +0200 Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 73 Message-ID: <8ccn82$pvp$2@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: integ-bordeaux-107-137.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 954851394 26617 193.250.109.137 (4 Apr 2000 12:29:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2000 12:29:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23941 Go to http://www.beekeeping.com/ and you can find new pages : 29/03/00 - À propos des antibiotiques en usage apicole - Jean-Marie Barbançon 29/03/00 - Himalayan ceranaid: development assistance to preserve and promote Apis cerana beekeeping in Nepal - Conrad Bérubé 28/03/00 - Nassenheider Beekeeping equipment 28/03/00 - Des Locomotives et des Abeilles Livre de Lucien Adam 28/03/00 - Le Guide de l'Apiculteu Livre (nouvelle édition) de Jean-Marie Philippe 28/03/00 - Secrets de plantes dévoilés par un apiculteur Livre de Jean Hannoteaux 27/03/00 - The Sensory Basis of the Honeybee's Dance - Language W.H. 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G. ;-)) Gilles RATIA Apiservices Article 23942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:43:20 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8cdo4u$oeq$2@front4m.grolier.fr> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-62-68.wly.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4m.grolier.fr 954885086 25050 213.44.62.68 (4 Apr 2000 21:51:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2000 21:51:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23942 Hi, One trick I was told to be very efficient is to pour one handful of kitchen salt once a week two or three time into the hive. Just try.... -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ A.Poluektov a écrit dans le message : 38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru... > >Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it > >has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started > >treating varroa with thymol crystals. > > > Peter, give please me the answer. > Than you treated earlier varroa? > The last five years I treated varroa by a remedy of which contains amitraz. > And all five years I have chalkbrood. > Now I think that this remedy probably promotes increase chalkbrood. > A this year I want to try treating with thymol crystals. > How you it carry out? > Andrey > > Article 23943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: maevesvole@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1 box 2 queens Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:31:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8cdu0o$3u8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.47.217.79 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 04 23:31:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.47.217.79 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjohnmaeve Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23943 I was planning on starting a hive this spring and have ordered a box of bees (4 pounds and a queen) which arrives in a couple of weeks I have now decided that two hives would be better than one. Is there any rule against just getting another queen ($10 instead of $50 for another package) and splitting the 4# package between the two hives? They'll be starting w/ drawn comb in the brood boxes (I bought from someone getting out of beekeeping.) I figure that if I start feeding right away (in addition to some frames of honey left in the brood boxes) and they have brood comb already drawn, then the queen can start laying right away. That in combination with the nectar flow of fruit trees in Seattle (where the bees will be) should give them plenty of access to food. I'm hoping this will overcome the fact that each hive only starts w/ 2# each. Any thoughts on this arrangement? John Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hanging on front of hive Message-ID: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 7 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:00:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 954864043 216.80.168.199 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:00:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:00:43 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23944 I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive Message-ID: <38ea83d6.32953245@news.usit.net> References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:14:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 954893669 216.80.168.200 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:14:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:14:29 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23945 If this means this hive is ready to swarm what should I do? I have a new hive set up beside this hive with 10 plastic frames not drawn and no new queen. I do have to go to work tomorrow is there any way of containing these bees till tomorrow afternoon at best. What steps do I take to prepare this new hive? I have another swarm trap setup a few feet away. On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:00:44 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: >I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on >front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This >morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full >or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in >southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and >is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are >all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2smart2late@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where 'o' where to put it Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:38:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.29.69.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 01 03:05:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.29.69.104 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23946 Is there an ideal location to place a hive? How much direct sun light and/or shade? Can it be placed on edge of wood lot? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!test-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:31:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38EA978D.62D5F02E@kingston.net> References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23947 I too would agree with George. It sounds like they may be preparing to swarm. Check for swarm cells is the only sure sign. If you find them you could try splitting the hive. Move the queen and brood to the new hive and leave a swarm cell behind and let the hive requeen itself. All the foragers will be in the original. It's like your simulating a swarm. Good luck. Kent Article 23948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EA54A2.853E5ABE@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:46:27 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise Needed References: <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn13.c5200-4.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954898642 6894 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23948 Hi Bill and Cherry Bee's don't like to get wet, waterhose every night should do it. Anyway I wanted to ask you what do you give your dog for beestings? Mine(Lab) got a sting the other day, above the eye and it swelled a bit(cro-magnon dog) and was gone in about 8 hrs. Thanks L.E.G. Bill & Cherry wrote: > Hello, > > We've had a swarm/hive/herd/pack/bunch (?) of bees move in under our storage > shed and want to encourage them to move somewhere else. Are there any > non-toxic methods that will work? We don't want to and can't use pesticides > because tortoises also live under the shed. The bees don't appear to be > aggressive but one of the dogs is allergic to bee stings and I'm afraid of > them. My fear, irrational or not, has made it impossible for me to enjoy > the backyard. If anyone has any suggestions or advise it would be > appreciated. We are located in Central Arizona. > > Thanks for your assistance. > > Cherry Article 23949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EA599C.17150797@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:07:40 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn13.c5200-4.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954899916 6896 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23949 Have you put on honeysupers yet? I'll bet it was above 70 degrees! All the hives I've seen (strong one's) ventilate the hive when temps. rise. I don't think a hand full of bees at entrance is swarm warning.In the past I've seen a bucket full on outside of hive in the 90 degree plus days. "gfdavis"@usit.net\"\" wrote: > I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on > front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This > morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full > or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in > southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and > is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are > all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ct.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Val Garden72P" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000319164656.18750.00002604@ng-fq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: plants Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 02:58:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.7.10.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ct.home.com 954903480 24.7.10.83 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:58:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:58:00 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23950 Witch Hazel blooms in the fall here in New England - after the frost, and as its leaves are just falling.... Pussy Willows are a great early spring flower, lots of them turning yellow now. Dandelions are big, quickly followed by so many of the spring wildflowers. Mustard, especially... And soon, the long blue tassels of wisteria. For all-summer blooming, quite a few roses that were crossed with the Asian roses will bloom repeatedly through the summer - makes a nice thorny addition to a fence, extra deterrant for invaders but pretty, too. For quick-growing vines (die back to the ground each year) it's hard to beat HOPS. Yes, hops such as one flavors/preserves beer with. Lots of flowers, they are green however and not a huge color contrast. Smell good, though. Plenty of other nice viney things, have fun! Val BeeCrofter wrote in message news:20000319164656.18750.00002604@ng-fq1.aol.com... > Once it is warm the bees can go for miles. What is really benneficial is an > early source of pollen closae at hand. Pussy Willows ,Witch Hazel come to mind > first > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where 'o' where to put it Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:20:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8cebe7$ihb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 05 03:20:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23951 , > 2smart2late@my-deja.com wrote: > Is there an ideal location to place a hive? ****************************************************** Howdy 2-2 -- We find feral bees in all sorts of loctions, -- But if you have a choice, at the edge of woods facing East. Early morning sunlight will wake them up and the woods will shade to help prevent overheating in the hottest part of the day. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1 box 2 queens Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:27:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8cebqm$j3b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cdu0o$3u8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 05 03:27:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23952 maevesvole@aol.com wrote: > I'm hoping this will overcome the fact that each hive only > starts w/ 2# each. > Any thoughts on this arrangement? > > John **************************************************** Howdy John -- You should do ok with this plan. I have started with 2# pkgs successfully, but it is slower than the larger packages. Continue to feed liberally in order to build up the colony and don't expect surplus honey this year. You might luck out and get a dab though. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive Lines: 22 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.47.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954870152 12.72.47.225 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:32 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23953 Since you say "very strong" "2nd year (old queen)" and "bees on front of hive" I would hazard to say they are preparing to swarm. Have you inspected the colony? If you find sealed queen cells, split now or say bye-bye. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net... > I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on > front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This > morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full > or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in > southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and > is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are > all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:20:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8cdbo7$es0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.82.92 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 04 18:20:09 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.82.92 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23954 In article <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu>, Matthew Pollard wrote: > My sisters hive (my old hive) has swarmed 4 times in 5 days!(now she has > three hives and sold one swarm!) She had some local beekeeping gu-ru > stop by and take a look. He immediatly took the queen excluder out and > said that he doesn't use them. Doesn't this cause problems with > harvesting, etc?? He said that there wasn't enough room, etc. and that > is why they are swarming. The brood is one deep and one medium body > (rotated in mid march) the rest of the hive consisted of three medium > bodies. Also, there was no sign of mites, etc, infestation. > > I learned from an old-timer here in Maine that the "excluder" goes by 2 names... QUEEN excluder and HONEY excluder. I've never used one for that reason but, have had the same question as you have. Here's my experience. I harvested 105 pounds of honey from a single colony last year without an excluder. During the spring I noticed that the queen had indeed moved up the 2 deep brood chambers into the lowest honey super and had laid eggs in the bottom 1-2 inches of frames. I was wondering how I would be able to extract honey from the frames without getting bee larvae along with it, but, when the 2 honey supers were full and ready to be extracted, there wasn't a single bit of brood left in any of the 2 supers. The bees had filled in all the cells and capped them all. One of the most beautiful sights in the world. After getting 2 supers full of honey early in the season, I even managed to get another 35-40 lbs. from the same hive in the fall. My girls did a good job !! This was also during a summer drought. So, needless to say, I won't be investing any money in excluders. Your GURU seems to be hitting the nail on the head. Your sister might be well advised to provide 2 DEEP brood chambers for her colony and using the mediums for honey supers. This will allow the bees more room and less of a tendency to swarm. Well, that's my two cents. Good Luck!! Paul B. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: High tension near hives? Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Apr 2000 11:42:07 GMT References: <9y1FkAAoYu64Ewt7@denrosa.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000405074207.15526.00000768@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23955 I have two locations under the big high tension lines. No different than any other bee yard. On a damp day the bzzzap sound is interesting. You might want to let the power company know where they are to the nearest tower in case they get a bit nuts with herbicides as the land under power lines is usually their right of way and the hives can do without an herbicide drench. The weeds make for shorter nectar dearths too. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Book? Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Apr 2000 17:50:55 GMT References: <38EB5849.10169A23@uidaho.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000405135055.12810.00001209@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23956 From: Matthew Pollard poll7356@uidaho.edu >My sister (who has my hives now :-( birthday is tomorrow.... what > beekeeping book is generally recommened? I like Diana Sammatauro's Beekeeper's Handbook, listed, along with other resources at: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 23957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:09:28 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 44 Message-ID: <38EB6538.79A4C7F6@riverace.com> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: aREJltaWYyACJqV6/grLyt8qK98MFrPHOUhFBzf7uA8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2000 16:09:31 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23957 Rodney Moore wrote: > > I have a stand of bees which I think has chalkbrood. The bees are > carrying out dead brood. It looks like it is still in the pupal stage. > Only it is dried out. There was several on the landing board and on the > ground. What do I do? I have four other stands right beside of them. Are > they going to get it too? In the same stand I did also see a wax moth > larvae. Could this have something to do with it? The wax moth is most likely a result of the weak colony not defending itself against them. It's probably not causative. "Honey Bee Pests, Predators, and Diseases" is a great book and this info is abstracted from it: - Chalkbrood is a fungal disease of honey bee larvae. Diseased larvae become mummified. The mummies are white, owing to the mycelium of the fungus. If large numbers of fruiting bodies are formed, however, the mummies become dark gray or black. - The disease is transient and not considered serious, although endemic infection can be persistent and damaging. - Chilling of the larvae immediately after they are sealed in their cells increases susceptibility. Poor ventilation seems to contribute as well. It seems to occur more often in colonies which were first weakened by some other problem such as tracheal mites. Also check for nosema. - You can spread the fungus to other hives on your clothes or tools, so be careful. - If it's severe, destroy the combs and replace with new foundation. - There is no chemotherapeutic agent registered in the US for control. Some studies have shown thymol to be effective. Identifying and reducing the colony stress factors, and adding new, young bees and larvae and feeding with sugar syrup are the most common ways of dealing with chalkbrood. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: jponder@mindspring.com (John Ponder) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Book? Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:45:59 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38eccb2f.68925190@news.mindspring.com> References: <38EB5849.10169A23@uidaho.edu> Reply-To: jponder@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.01.f4 X-Server-Date: 5 Apr 2000 17:53:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23958 Hi Matthew, I have just started reading about bees; I bought one book and got two from the library. "Guide to BEES & HONEY", Ted Hooper and "BEES and BEEKEEPING",Irmgard Diemer were at the Lib. GTB&H was an older book with massive amounts of info but few pictures and diagrams. BandBeekeeping had lots of color photos and was a little easier to understand. The books really complimented each other and both together I learned alot from them. I now have a general sense of beekeeping but I have never even seen a hive; that will change soon. Hope that helps John readMatthew Pollard wrote: >My sister (who has my hives now :-( birthday is tomorrow.... what > beekeeping book is generally recommened? >Thanks. >-Matthew > > Article 23959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-ge.switch.ch!news.grnet.gr!news.otenet.gr!not-for-mail From: "ÅõÜããåëïò ÊáñáêÜóçò" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: EZY System of royal jelly and queen. Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:43:08 +0300 Organization: An OTEnet S.A. customer Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8cg1mi$r5u$1@newssrv.otenet.gr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kate-a07.otenet.gr X-Trace: newssrv.otenet.gr 954960402 27838 195.167.113.198 (5 Apr 2000 18:46:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@otenet.gr NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2000 18:46:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23959 please who knows somthing about EZY system on royal jelly and queen bees production? From where can I buy this system? please sent me an E-mail papamel@otenet.gr thanks Article 23960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-180-196.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Houston, We Have a Problem Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:22:53 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 40 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b4.c4 X-Server-Date: 5 Apr 2000 19:23:09 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23960 Greetings, all... I've been out of town for a few weeks, and I've come home to a problem with my hive. Today is very warm here in COSprings, so I opened up the hive, and found the following: 1) Lots of honey 2) Very few bees 3) No queen 4) Bees bringing pollen into the hive 5) Some dead larvae: Nearly fully developed bees in the cells, some closed, some nearly so, but all looking, well, looking rather "rotten." They were black, very mushy, and some were completely gooey... brown goo... stuck to the end of the pocket knife I was using to extract them, but did not stick to the cell... There are mebbe a dozen or so like this throughout the hive. 6) No foul odor My first thought was to order a new queen (and mebbe a pound of bees) immediately, then Ithought that it might be OK to continue feeding them (I had done so before I left town), and let them raise their own queen. My gut's telling me to order a new queen, but not the bees, because I don't know if it's cool to introduce new bees into a hive that already has bees. I really appreciate your quick response, thoughts, and suggestions. Peace- -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 23961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Don in NC Subject: Re: Where 'o' where to put it Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <05730fbe.59dfcaed@usw-ex0107-049.remarq.com> Lines: 11 Bytes: 419 X-Originating-Host: 63.21.144.83 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Wren-Trace: eMzpwcDZntSfiM7N2p7MwNL/zMzG2IDf2cONzMrVldqQhN6cjN2Nlo6Vmw== Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:51:09 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.50 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 954964505 10.0.2.50 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:55:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:55:05 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23961 In article <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, 2smart2late@my-deja.com wrote: > Is there an ideal location to place a hive? How > much direct sun light and/or shade? Can it be > placed on edge of wood lot? > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Don in NC Subject: Re: Where 'o' where to put it Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <06c799a4.58066ab0@usw-ex0107-049.remarq.com> Lines: 7 Bytes: 329 X-Originating-Host: 63.21.144.83 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here References: <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Wren-Trace: eCEELC00czlyZSMgN3MhLT8SISErNW0yNC5gISc4eDd9aTNxYTBge2N4dg== Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 18:44:03 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.50 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 954963651 10.0.2.50 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:40:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:40:51 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23962 Your hive needs to face South and get the early morning sun and shade in the afternoon. There ane many varibles to placing a hive: yard space, neighbors, just to mention two. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 23963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: High tension near hives? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:33:00 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.236.68 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 954916384 212.151.236.68 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:33:04 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:33:04 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23963 Hello, I have a friend, who wants me to put some of my hives near his rape fields this spring. The place, where he wants me to put them is near a high voltage line. Do the bees have any problem with that? How close can I put them? Thanks! 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  --------------7F6991C94D8372C2E4C0A17D-- Article 23965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kennyp3618@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 21:19:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8cgakf$pvc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> <8cdbo7$es0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.56.164.37 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 05 21:19:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 147.56.164.37 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkennyp3618 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23965 In article <8cdbo7$es0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,Doesn't this cause problems with > > harvesting, etc?? My experience is limited, but I did without one last year & didn't have any problems. I did, however, find the brood chamber so full of honey that there wasn't much room for babies so mid-year I pulled a couple of the outside frames & put in a couple of frames of undrawn foundation in the middle. That kept 'em out of trouble for awhile. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnslave2!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Houston, We Have a Problem Lines: 59 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:34:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954974055 12.72.42.146 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:34:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:34:15 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23966 Before you can determine what action to take, you need to find out what caused this. If it is not AFB you are better off starting over rather than spend a lot of time and money to save something that won' be productive anyway. Doesn't sound like they will be successful in raising a queen on their own. If they have been queenless for more than 5 days it is hopeless. Tell us more about your preparations last fall. Did you use TM? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:HiStretch-0504001222530001@pool-207-205-180-196.phnx.grid.net... > Greetings, all... > > I've been out of town for a few weeks, and I've come home to a problem > with my hive. > > Today is very warm here in COSprings, so I opened up the hive, and found > the following: > > 1) Lots of honey > > 2) Very few bees > > 3) No queen > > 4) Bees bringing pollen into the hive > > 5) Some dead larvae: Nearly fully developed bees in the cells, some > closed, some nearly so, but all looking, well, looking rather "rotten." > They were black, very mushy, and some were completely gooey... brown > goo... stuck to the end of the pocket knife I was using to extract them, > but did not stick to the cell... There are mebbe a dozen or so like this > throughout the hive. > > 6) No foul odor > > My first thought was to order a new queen (and mebbe a pound of bees) > immediately, then Ithought that it might be OK to continue feeding them (I > had done so before I left town), and let them raise their own queen. My > gut's telling me to order a new queen, but not the bees, because I don't > know if it's cool to introduce new bees into a hive that already has bees. > > I really appreciate your quick response, thoughts, and suggestions. > > Peace- > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 23967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Complete Hive for Sale!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 18:40:36 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23967 Hey fellow beekeepers and new-beekeepers! I have a complete NEW hive body, with bottom screen, and Duragult foundation! With a medium size swarm of healthy bees, which has started to take up housekeeping! !!!FOR SALE!! I have run out of room in my apiary, 4 hives is enough in the suburbs of Roswell Georgia! Please email me if your interested!!!! spalmer@gw.total-web.net Thank you, Don Palmer Article 23968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8b2lng$nu5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: UK Beekeeping Lines: 29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:04:13 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.36.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 954972248 62.252.36.28 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:04:08 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:04:08 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23968 Hello Freddie I couldn't agree more, the only problem is that I could not find one if it jumped up and stung me let alone set on up. Sounds a good idea for UK members to get together. Surely with all the local BKA's we have there must be someone on the task. I will be attending Stoneleigh in two weeks time for the national. I will ask some questions. Will you be there? Regards Freddie Cooke wrote in message <8b2lng$nu5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Hi there, >This is a great place for reading of and chatting to fellow beekeepers >world-wide but I would also like to be able to find a news group for those >of us in the UK. >Why? Well although there are a lot of things we all have in common there >are times, like when wants practical help at hand, like locating bees for >sale locally, that it would be nice to be able to find UK keepers fast. > >I know you all find it difficult to tell where everyone is from even >sometimes after reading their post. > >does anyone know of a specific UK group please? > >Regards Freddie. > > Article 23969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 23:23:24 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.36.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 954973405 62.252.36.28 (Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:23:25 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:23:25 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23969 I would always use excluders. If you use drone foundation in your supers you could have one big problem with huge quantities of drone being laid. Even if you use worker foundation, once the cell has been used for laying and the bee has hatched you cannot then use it for honey storage. I am pretty sure of that. If your problem is space, put the brood on what we call a brood and a half. Or top up your weak colonies with brood from this one in exchange for frames of empty cells. Others may dissagree. My advice, if you want good honey, use excluders. Steve from UK Matthew Pollard wrote in message <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu>... >My sisters hive (my old hive) has swarmed 4 times in 5 days!(now she has >three hives and sold one swarm!) She had some local beekeeping gu-ru >stop by and take a look. He immediatly took the queen excluder out and >said that he doesn't use them. Doesn't this cause problems with >harvesting, etc?? He said that there wasn't enough room, etc. and that >is why they are swarming. The brood is one deep and one medium body >(rotated in mid march) the rest of the hive consisted of three medium >bodies. Also, there was no sign of mites, etc, infestation. > Article 23970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: High tension near hives? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:06:00 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6h4PSOAYb864EwsG@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <9y1FkAAoYu64Ewt7@denrosa.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954976799 nnrp-13:23515 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 25 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23970 In article <9y1FkAAoYu64Ewt7@denrosa.demon.co.uk>, Murray McGregor writes >One of our very best locations is contained within the square of the >four legs of a very large junction pylon, as it is the only uncultivated >piece of groung around the fields of a particular farm. The power lines >in question are 330000 volt, and there are 8 pairs of them. It is an >active line and you can hear it buzzing a lot of the time. (The pylon is >so large in the base that we can drive a van through the centre and >still have space for 12 four hive pallets in there.) > >This location is highly productive and there is no problem with bee >temperament or navigation. We have been using this particular spot for >around 20 years. snip Now that has to be the definitive answer!! Whilst the pylon might shield the hives from 50hz e.m. radiation, as soon as the bees get outside they will get the maximum they would ever be likely to experience anywhere. So any other lower voltage pylon would give out much less. Though I suppose an electrical engineer might come up with a few figures based on typical *currents*, distances and line spacing, I am happy to tell my students not to listen to arguments about power lines. In any case there is some definitive research on it giving the same conclusion whose reference I have mislaid. -- James Kilty Article 23971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Paper Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:33:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.176 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 05 23:33:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.176 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23971 Another day of sore thumbs from small nails and a tack hammer but we finally have all the frames put together. Now the relatively easy job of installing foundation, which we ordered with wires. But I'm curious about something. How long does it take the bees to chew away that soft paper on the foundation? And why is it only on one side? Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: High tension near hives? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:07:20 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: <9y1FkAAoYu64Ewt7@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954929763 nnrp-13:2724 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 48 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23972 In article , STIG HANSSON writes >Hello, >I have a friend, who wants me to put some of my hives near his rape fields >this spring. The place, where he wants me to put them is near a high voltage >line. Do the bees have any problem with that? How close can I put them? >Thanks! >Doris > > This was debated at some length a long while back, and quite a few people cautioned strongly against it, for a variety of reasons varying from strong magnetic fields to interesting 'new age' style theories I could make no sense of. HOWEVER We do not avoid power lines. We find it makes absolutely zero difference in all the ways highlighted as problems by others. One of our very best locations is contained within the square of the four legs of a very large junction pylon, as it is the only uncultivated piece of groung around the fields of a particular farm. The power lines in question are 330000 volt, and there are 8 pairs of them. It is an active line and you can hear it buzzing a lot of the time. (The pylon is so large in the base that we can drive a van through the centre and still have space for 12 four hive pallets in there.) This location is highly productive and there is no problem with bee temperament or navigation. We have been using this particular spot for around 20 years. From our direct experience at this and numerous other locations, there is no difficulty caused by these lines. We also site adjacent to transformer stations and all in all we have probably had 100 locations close to or under power lines or installations over the last 20 years. So, do not be scared off by stories about these lines, rather judge every location on its own merits as a bee location. Forage, orientation, and topography are much more important. Hope this is of some help Murray -- Murray McGregor Article 23973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: alizax@aol.com (Alizax) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Apr 2000 00:46:30 GMT References: <8c9u90$l2b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000405204630.01064.00000069@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23973 >My recommendation (for you, not me) is to taste a dead bee and see >if you pick up the same taste. :-) Thank you, Herb. I've come to love de bee mort :0 (with a french accent) :) Article 23974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paper Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:39:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8cgmbo$71v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 06 00:39:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23974 herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > > But I'm curious about something. How long does it take the bees to > chew away that soft paper on the foundation? And why is it only on >one side? > > Herb **************************************************** Howdy Herb -- Herb, you jest ? But just in case -- the separator paper is just to keep the sheets of foundation from sticking together. Take it off before installing in frames. Of course the bees WILL chew it off if left on (pretty quickly). Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Book? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 00:07:48 +0100 Message-ID: <7hvPiTAEd864EwsN@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <38EB5849.10169A23@uidaho.edu> <38eccb2f.68925190@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954976800 nnrp-13:23515 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23975 In article <38eccb2f.68925190@news.mindspring.com>, John Ponder writes >"BEES and >BEEKEEPING",Irmgard Diemer were at the Lib. snip >BandBeekeeping had lots of color photos and was a little easier to >understand. This is a lovely book. -- James Kilty Article 23976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where 'o' where to put it Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Apr 2000 11:43:36 GMT References: <8cebe7$ihb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000405074336.15526.00000769@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23976 Morning sun afternoon shade protection from winds and not in a low area for good air drainage. Even nicer if you can get a pickup close. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paper Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 00:30:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <38ebda91.14091118@news1.radix.net> References: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23977 On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 23:33:53 GMT, herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > Another day of sore thumbs from small nails and a tack hammer but we >finally have all the frames put together. Now the relatively easy job >of installing foundation, which we ordered with wires. > > But I'm curious about something. How long does it take the bees to >chew away that soft paper on the foundation? And why is it only on one >side? > > Herb > You posted this four days late!.........I hope. Greg the beekeep >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 23978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: craigsheehan@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 9 frames vs. 10 frames Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:56:27 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.99.182.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 06 01:47:27 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; formatnec) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.99.182.188 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23978 Hello. I'm new to beekeeping and have heard people talk about using 9 frames instead of 10 frames in both their honey supers and their brood boxes. What are the pros and cons of using 9 frames, especially in the brood boxes? Thanks for your help. Craig in Kentucky Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "Lilian MALET" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 06:44:44 -0000 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8cgttc$d9g$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: st-denis-6-161.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 954989292 13616 164.138.159.161 (6 Apr 2000 02:48:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 02:48:12 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23979 i'm a french student in AGRONOMY in a high school at PERPIGNAN (coming from Réunion island in indian ocean). I'm looking for a period of probation of one month in a farm on july 2000. If you can help me, i thank you very much to reply this mail. MALET Rémy c/o MALET Lilian Fax : + 262 87 82 32 premieradj.possession@wanadoo.fr Article 23980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: 9 frames vs. 10 frames Lines: 38 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:08:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.204.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954990509 12.72.204.36 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:08:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 03:08:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23980 First a warning, don't use only 9 frames of foundation. Always start with 10 and then remove 1 after drawn. In honey supers: pros- 10% reduction in frame cost/super, drawn out thicker making uncapping easier cons- beats me, I can't think of any In brood boxes: pros- 10% reduction in frame cost/box, frame manipulation is easier cons- less area available for brood rearing, may get more burr comb I use 9 for brood and honey. It is largely a matter of preference. If you contract out for pollination services, you would probably want to run 10 for the brood space. Some use 8 in honey supers. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hello. I'm new to beekeeping and have heard > people talk about using 9 frames instead of 10 > frames in both their honey supers and their brood > boxes. What are the pros and cons of using 9 > frames, especially in the brood boxes? Thanks > for your help. Craig in Kentucky > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EBBFF5.4E179730@crosslink.net> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 22:36:37 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 frames vs. 10 frames References: <8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn31.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954991650 7788 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23981 George why start with 10 ,then go to 9?????? L.E.G. George Styer wrote: > First a warning, don't use only 9 frames of foundation. Always start with 10 > and then remove 1 after drawn. > > In honey supers: > pros- 10% reduction in frame cost/super, drawn out thicker making uncapping > easier > cons- beats me, I can't think of any > > In brood boxes: > pros- 10% reduction in frame cost/box, frame manipulation is easier > cons- less area available for brood rearing, may get more burr comb > > I use 9 for brood and honey. It is largely a matter of preference. If you > contract out for pollination services, you would probably want to run 10 for > the brood space. Some use 8 in honey supers. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > wrote in message > news:8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > Hello. I'm new to beekeeping and have heard > > people talk about using 9 frames instead of 10 > > frames in both their honey supers and their brood > > boxes. What are the pros and cons of using 9 > > frames, especially in the brood boxes? Thanks > > for your help. Craig in Kentucky > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. Article 23982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Book? Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:14:17 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 6 Message-ID: <38EB5849.10169A23@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 954947959 20020 129.101.81.41 (5 Apr 2000 15:19:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Apr 2000 15:19:19 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23982 My sister (who has my hives now :-( birthday is tomorrow.... what beekeeping book is generally recommened? Thanks. -Matthew Article 23983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: scp1969@webtv.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Package Bee Question Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 34 Message-ID: <12444-38EC2E1F-69@storefull-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQQtP/9QUAGSv/YuvAR/a20LAE5rwIVAMvg7Mqk7YiNMR0ZinSw/2C3pTjv Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23983 Hello everyone: This is my first time posting to this group. I have three hives, but they died this past winter. I was getting ready to go to college this past Fall and forgot to add Apistan strips to the hives. So, on a warm winter afternoon, I noticed no activity with the hives and sure enough, after opening the hives for a better look, all were dead, but had adequate honey, so I knew they didn't starve. I sent samples of the dead adults to the Bioenvironmental Bee Lab, and of course they had what I suspected; Varroa. I have 3 packages of bees coming next week from Rossman Apiaries. I ordered Fumidal-B for nosema prevention and Apicure for tracheal and Varroa mites. This Fall, after the honey flow I'll add Apistan strips to kill any remaining Varroa mites. I've had bees for years, but this is the first time I've lost them to mites. (I live in Pennsylvania) My question to the fellow beekeepers out there; does it seem like I'm approaching this mite problem in the right way? Also, has anybody else out there received their package bees they ordered? I don't believe that it's too early in the year where I live to receive packages, the trees are beginning to bloom along with many types of crocus. Thank you for any advice you could give me. You can write to me through the group or personally at: scp1969@webtv.net Thanks again, -Steven Article 23984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: selection pressures on populations (was Re: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution) Date: 6 Apr 2000 06:29:24 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <8chou4$4f4$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8bsoji$qpm$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20000329110453.05973.00000986@ng-fu1.aol.com> <38e48c16.41599041@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23984 In article <38e48c16.41599041@news1.radix.net>, wrote: >On 29 Mar 2000 16:04:53 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > >><> >> >> Facinating question Adam. But before departing for uncharted territory, It's >>best to define what you already know. A species is a group of individuals >>sharing many characteristics and interbreedng freely. The breeding part is key: >>If an animal can no longer interbreed with others of its former kind, then a >>new species has developed. > >Then what are bronze turkeys? Due to their size that they have been >bred for they can't beed with each other by themselves and are >maintained by arificial insemination. Righto, Greg. Or I was thinking of the Great Dane mating with a Yorkshire Terrier. Using reproductive isolation to define species can be argued. What is a species anyway? I was talking with a molecular biologist about this and the "species definition" we arrived at was something like: An organism that has DNA coding for the manufacture of specific proteins at specific sites that promote growth and fitness comprising phenotypic characteristics unique to itself and others like it. However, this one is full of holes too. Organisms exist in populations, and thinking at the population level, with species being a population rather than a single unit, provides for both concepts of reproductive isolation and transpositional (skips in the genome) drift that folks like to term "mutation". Populations are plastic and can change via selection pressures: Light colored honeybees that yield highly and are gentle. Therefore, are "breeds" or "landraces" a step towards defining a new population that could be termed species? Why not? The rate at which populations speciate depends on the selection pressures in the habitat. Travel to the Amazon Basin sometime and check out the insect diversity there. Often "species" are found every few feet. Since taxonomy has been based on morphology and function solely, until recently, we've had only our senses to discern species. Adding molecular taxonomy via molecular techniques now commonplace, gives the biologist a new twist in taxonomy. What happens when you have two differing morphological units that reproduce, but are totally unrelated in habitat and ecology? You do some molecular taxonomy on the populations and you see similarities. Therefore you have a contrived homogeneity in this "species" for these two differing populations. Are they the same species? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 23985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeedZ.netscum.dQ!netscum.int!newsfeed1.online.no!newsfeed.online.no!news1.online.no!not-for-mail Message-ID: <955035124-71429AEicMi@frisurf.no> From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: High voltage. X-Mailer: ASH Emailer V1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Lines: 18 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:07:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.67.161.73 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@online.no X-Trace: news1.online.no 955035132 130.67.161.73 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:32:12 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:32:12 MET DST Organization: Telenor Online Public Access Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23985 Hello! I have heard that bees are bilding quite strange if thet hives are placed just under the >high voltage >line. I am not so sure how far awy you must put them, but a friend of mine have got his bees approx. 100m away from a line, without any problem. Norvald from Norway -- Norvald Atari Falcon 030 Article 23986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paper Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:38:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8ci413$noj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 06 13:38:46 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x41.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23986 In article <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > Another day of sore thumbs from small nails and a tack hammer but we > finally have all the frames put together. Now the relatively easy job > of installing foundation, which we ordered with wires. > > But I'm curious about something. How long does it take the bees to > chew away that soft paper on the foundation? And why is it only on one > side? > > Herb > I've got to say you made my day. That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!rockie.attcanada.net!newsfeed.attcanada.net!204.127.161.4!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38EBBFF5.4E179730@crosslink.net> Subject: Re: 9 frames vs. 10 frames Lines: 20 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:37:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955042675 12.72.41.205 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:37:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:37:55 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23987 With foundation, if you start with 9 and spread them out the bees will build the comb on the same plane as the foundation but not from the foundation outward. You end up with the comb being built between the sheets of foundation making for a real mess. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "L.E.G." wrote in message news:38EBBFF5.4E179730@crosslink.net... > George why start with 10 ,then go to 9?????? > L.E.G. Article 23988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mbarton15653@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Whats gone wrong - no brood Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 20:45:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.131.243.213 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 06 20:45:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.5; Mac_PowerPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.131.243.213 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmbarton15653 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23988 Hi, I'm new to beekeeping getting my first hive late Summer 1999. All appeared to be going OK to my untrained eye with various queries being answered by reading lots and checking newsgroups. Cleansing flights on time but no real activity re. pollen collecting. Today was the first real warm one so I plucked up courage, got the smoker going and 'calmly' ventured into the unknown...... To say disappointed and concerned would be understating it and I'm worried it may be my fault due to inexperience: 1. Not many bees - enough only to seem to cover about 2 sides of one frame? 2. Every brood frame is either packed with capped honey or nearly so 3. There are 3 middle frames with marginally less honey and a few empty cells (look like drone cells as larger than rest) 4. Couldn't find any cells with eggs or larva (a few (5-7) dead white lava had been ejected during late Feb in a cold snap so assumed just a bit of chilled brood - but also assumed it was evidence the queen was laying) 5. Couldn't find queen - this did not really surprise me due to my inexperience. 6. Spotted three bees each with a red mite on their heads (I treated with bayvarol in October 1999 just as a precaution). Dont really know the visual difference between varroa mite and harmless Braula coeca at present. However the mite was definitely not prevalent. 7.Decided to put hive carefully back together, added a super above queen excluder in the hope that whilst clearing up the honey spillage which was quite widespread due to many combs being stuck together across frames, they may create some brood space for the queen(if shes still there) by clearing the scraped cells and moving the honey upstairs. 8. Reduced bee entrance in case of robbing. I join my first beginners class this year but it does not start until late May! The farm I bought from in N. Yorkshire did say if the colony failed to survive the Winter they would replace free of charge which was very fair but you will appreciate I need to know why. Please help, Ive really enjoyed beekeeping so far and I want to continue but I also want the bees to enjoy me! Mick Ba Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-178-151.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Houston, We Have a Problem Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 13:59:46 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b2.97 X-Server-Date: 6 Apr 2000 21:01:34 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23989 In article , "George Styer" wrote: > Before you can determine what action to take, you need to find out what > caused this. If it is not AFB you are better off starting over rather than > spend a lot of time and money to save something that won' be productive > anyway. Doesn't sound like they will be successful in raising a queen on > their own. If they have been queenless for more than 5 days it is hopeless. > Tell us more about your preparations last fall. Did you use TM? > Hi, George. Here's the latest: A local well respected old beekeeper came by today and looked at the situation. He found dead varroa mites on the bottom board, and surmised that the queen succumbed to varroa related disease sometime over the winter. Thus the current lack of eggs and the severe drop in the number of workers. He thinks the rotting bees in the cells (there were only a dozen or two of these) were a result of a cold snap late in the Spring. The dead larvae were not cleaned out because of the limited number of workers. I'm ordering a new queen and three pounds of bees. I'm pretty disappointed, but this fellow emphasized that losing a hive is part of beekeeping. I'm also relieved that they didn't have American or European Foul Brood... I'm hoping the new packaged bees will have a good start, since there's plenty of honey left stored for them in the hive. O, and to answer your question... I did treat with TM last fall, and Apistan early last summer. Mebbe it was later than it should have been... my mistake, but the first package went in in late April. Peace- -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 23990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: High voltage. Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Apr 2000 21:10:59 GMT References: <955035124-71429AEicMi@frisurf.no> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000406171059.02084.00000091@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23990 So far no unusual comb or behaviors from the bees. One set of lines comes right out of a nuclear power plant a mile or so away. The other set from a coal fired plant. Both sites have hives within 100 ft of the towers. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "aaaaaaa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:55:22 +0200 Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.59.205.166 Message-ID: <38ed079a_2@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 6 Apr 2000 23:54:34 +0100, 212.59.205.166 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.bt.es!195.5.65.34.MISMATCH!caladan.arrakis.es!212.59.205.166 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23991 @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/ ha sido actualizada el 1 de Abril del 2000. Como gran novedad de esta actualización presentamos la inclusión de un buscador para encontrar fácilmente cualquier información tanto dentro como fuera de @groWeb. Hemos actualizado nuestras secciones ya clásicas de: @groEscuela, con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación y plagas del algodón. Además poseemos cinco nuevas colaboraciones enviadas por vosotros. Elevándose la cifra actual a 61 documentos técnicos @groPreguntas @groNoticias - 42 noticias del sector para estar bien informados. @groEnlaces - Hemos añadido 93 nuevos enlaces, elevándose el número de enlaces a 2.100 de los cuales + 1.100 son en nuestro idioma @groCursos - Con interesantes y numerosas novedades, alcanza la cifra de 133 cursos clasificados. Un cordial saludo: Javier Soto Vázquez Article 23992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "David Verville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Houston, We Have a Problem Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:13:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.181.220 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955062814 12.79.181.220 (Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:13:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:13:34 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23992 Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message > I'm pretty disappointed, but this fellow emphasized that losing a hive is > part of beekeeping. > Then why do they call it beeKEEPing Why not call it, "having bees until something goes wrong and we then buy more bees". Dave Article 23993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:22:15 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8cgttc$d9g$1@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955060314 nnrp-06:603 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23993 In article <8cgttc$d9g$1@wanadoo.fr>, Lilian MALET writes >i'm a french student in AGRONOMY in a high school at PERPIGNAN (coming from >Réunion island in indian ocean). >I'm looking for a period of probation of one month in a farm on july 2000. >If you can help me, i thank you very much to reply this mail. in which country m'dear? -- James Kilty Article 23994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:29:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955060315 nnrp-06:603 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23994 In article <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mbarton15653@my-deja.com writes >1. Not many bees - enough only to seem to cover about 2 sides of one >frame? On their last legs. Not long to go now. Many possibilities. When was the last time you saw eggs or even larvae on a frame? >I join my first beginners class this year but it does not start until >late May! Chat to the teacher after you enrol or put your name down as definite. >The farm I bought from in N. Yorkshire did say if the colony failed to >survive the Winter they would replace free of charge which was very fair >but you will appreciate I need to know why. Good. Tell them. Get one immediately. Unite the one you have over the new one. If you want to later, split the colony at the right time and in the right way to make another and use the frames with honey in to give them a good start. Otherwise, pick out the cleanest and extract the honey for *yourself* not for sale as it has come from the brood chamber. >Please help, Ive really enjoyed beekeeping so far and I want to continue >but I also want the bees to enjoy me! That may take some time, if they ever do really. Continue to enjoy. -- James Kilty Article 23995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:33:21 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 83 Message-ID: <8cj4da$7dq$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-192.tellurium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 955061482 7610 62.136.43.192 (6 Apr 2000 22:51:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 22:51:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23995 I think that you need to join a local beekeeping association! Comments: > I'm new to beekeeping getting my first hive late Summer 1999. First mistake - buy bees in the spring when you can see that they have survived the winter and are building up with a decent queen. >Cleansing flights on > time but no real activity re. pollen collecting. Good observation. No pollen = no brood = probably no queen. >Today was the first > real warm one so I plucked up courage, got the smoker going and 'calmly' > ventured into the unknown...... Has not been warm enough in the Midlands yet - beware opening hives too early, you can do a great deal of harm. Just check the wieght of the hive for food and wait until the apple is in bloom before pulling hives apart. At this time of year every bee is very valuable. > 1. Not many bees - enough only to seem to cover about 2 sides of one > frame? Very unlikely to build even if there is a viable queen. > 2. Every brood frame is either packed with capped honey or nearly so Suggests that the colony has been very weak for a long time. > 3. There are 3 middle frames with marginally less honey and a few empty > cells (look like drone cells as larger than rest) Look carefully at the surface of the comb from one end - if the surface is uneven then your queen probably failed and became a drone-layer (we had very poor weather last spring when new queens should have been mating). This could account for the colony dwindling. > 4. Couldn't find any cells with eggs or larva (a few (5-7) dead white > lava had been ejected during late Feb in a cold snap so assumed just a > bit of chilled brood - but also assumed it was evidence the queen was > laying) Evidence of insufficient bees to care for the brrod. > 5. Couldn't find queen - this did not really surprise me due to my > inexperience. She may well have died by now, or may be very small if she is not laying. > 6. Spotted three bees each with a red mite on their heads (I treated > with bayvarol in October 1999 just as a precaution). Dont really know > the visual difference between varroa mite and harmless Braula coeca at > present. Easy! If you can see them on the adult bees then they are almost certainly braula - especially on the head. Varroa mites tend to be on the underside and well hidden. (You will see varroa easily on larvae.). > However the mite was definitely not prevalent. I don't think that you can state that, given your lack of experience. > 7.Decided to put hive carefully back together, added a super above queen > excluder in the hope that whilst clearing up the honey spillage which > was quite widespread due to many combs being stuck together across > frames, they may create some brood space for the queen(if shes still > there) by clearing the scraped cells and moving the honey upstairs. I think that you fighting a losing battle here. > 8. Reduced bee entrance in case of robbing. Very unlikely that there are enough bees to defend even a reduced entrance - and they will have no will to do so unless there is a laying queen present. > I join my first beginners class this year but it does not start until > late May! Better late than never. > The farm I bought from in N. Yorkshire did say if the colony failed to > survive the Winter they would replace free of charge which was very fair > but you will appreciate I need to know why. Contact them now! > Please help, Ive really enjoyed beekeeping so far and I want to continue > but I also want the bees to enjoy me! > Mick Ba Stick with it and good luck! Article 23996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:49:29 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8cj4dc$7dq$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-192.tellurium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 955061484 7610 62.136.43.192 (6 Apr 2000 22:51:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 2000 22:51:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23996 Treatment is based on a study reported from Spain in BeeBiz about three years ago. They applied thymol crystals in various ways and doses. The best results were obtained using 8g of powdered thymol placed on a watch glass over the brood frames. Treatment was repeated weekly for four weeks. I use old honey jar lids and treat immediately the honey crop is removed in August when the thymol evaporates readily. This is followed by a drip treatment of oxalic acid (60g oxalic, 300g sugar, 1 litre water - 5ml per seam of bees) in November to give a final clean up for winter (NB beware - oxalic acid is highly poisonous and the dust must not be inhaled). I monitor about 25% of my hives and if mite levels are high in the spring I give a treatment with thymol before adding supers. Thymol is very strongly anti-fungal and its effect on chalkbrood seems to be a beneficial side-effect. Before Adam takes me to task, I have to say that I have not had time to do any scientifically controlled tests - but have based my methods on what seem to me from my researches to be sound principles. I am strongly against polluting my hives with flumethrin/fluvalinate/amitraz etc and have now survived 3 winters with varroa. Crops are excellent (above local averages) but it is, of course, early days yet. A.Poluektov wrote in message news:38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru... > >Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it > >has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started > >treating varroa with thymol crystals. > > > Peter, give please me the answer. > Than you treated earlier varroa? > The last five years I treated varroa by a remedy of which contains amitraz. > And all five years I have chalkbrood. > Now I think that this remedy probably promotes increase chalkbrood. > A this year I want to try treating with thymol crystals. > How you it carry out? > Andrey > > Article 23997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:55:32 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.40.131 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 955065229 62.252.40.131 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:53:49 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:53:49 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23997 Mick, I was sorry to read your e-mail. I and probably every other beekeeper know the feeling of openning up a hive with great expectency only to feel bewildered and depressed by what they find. Be encouraged! It happens! If there is no brood or eggs it looks like the queen has failed. At other times in the year this problem can be overcome but in the winter it can be fatal. Is this your only colony? Because if you have another you could bring in a frame of eggs and brood from a stronger one. The bees would then produce another queen. But I think that it is too early for a colony to produce a new queen yet. My bees in Shropshire are not showing any signs of drawing comb yet. I don't think you mentioned how many frames the bees were on. The mite you mentioned is more likely to be Braula if it was seen on the head. This mite is more of a round blob than the Varroa, which is a more oval slim disc. My advice, for what it's worth is to contact your local bee inspector who will come and look at the hive. If he is like ours, he will give sound advice. If the "no survive, exchange" offer was given I would certainly take it up. Also get another colony as in times of trouble, which are sure to come, it is a great advantage. Hope this helps or at least encourages you. Stick at it. Steve. Article 23998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hiving Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Apr 2000 00:44:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000406204444.19057.00000151@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23998 What is the lowest temperature that is safe to hive new bees? If my new ones come tomorrow I will have to do it at 50 degrees. Tim W. Article 23999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "De Witt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HIVE WITH NO BROOD or MAKE THIS HOUSE A HOME. Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 20:04:16 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 17 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <8cjdvi$cor@library1.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: 204.181.96.50 NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Apr 6 20:34:43 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !](c@1k-X7o21OP (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23999 Tonight, in preparation for installing new queens on Saturday, I opened both of my hives. One was completely empty no bees, live or dead, just empty boxes of honeycomb, one deep brood box and two shallow suppers. The other one was just the opposite I took off the telescopic cover and between it and the inside cover was crawling with bees, this was my signal last year to add another supper, the two mediums were full of honey every frame, not covered but full. However the frames in the brood chamber were empty as in the first hive, a little honey but no larva, eggs, and no capped brood, no queen cells, no drone cells, no supersedure cells, not even swarm cells, nothing ( lights on but no one home). Fortunately I have new queens ready to go in but I would like to see if anyone in the Dallas, Texas area might have six spare frames of brood for sale that I can put in with the new queens to make this house a home? Please let me know I will drive anywhere on Saturday morning to swap empty frames and money for brood. Article 24000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bee Question Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Apr 2000 01:39:20 GMT References: <12444-38EC2E1F-69@storefull-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000406213920.02088.00000106@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24000 Southeastern PA would likely see package bees shipping beginning 10 Apr. That is a choice date so if you didn't order very early your bees are gonna be later. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: marty@dianeshoney.com (BeeGuy) Subject: Re: 9 frames vs. 10 frames References: <8cgqs4$bq3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38EBBFF5.4E179730@crosslink.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6zdH4.5747$oX5.5303@jump.innerx.net> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:29:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.162.161 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 955082050 38.27.162.161 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:34:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:34:10 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24001 In article <38EBBFF5.4E179730@crosslink.net>, gmt@crosslink.net wrote: >George why start with 10 ,then go to 9?????? >L.E.G. > Forgive me for answering for the fine gentleman, I tried to start out with 9 frames. Bad move on my part. Bee space being what it is really gave me unevenly drawn comb. What seemed to happen was they would start to draw out one frame and go as far as they cared to. what it left for area on the foundation next to it was too little room to do much. In a wild hive I guess it would be no big deal, but when I would go to remove the frames I would either have to deal with taking two frames out or ripping the comb off one frame and the next frame would be bare. When I uncap I would end up with excess honey draing in the tank. It was a mistake simply corrected. Please remember YMMV. Article 24002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: marty@dianeshoney.com (BeeGuy) Subject: Re: Paper References: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cgmbo$71v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 36 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:36:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.162.161 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 955082470 38.27.162.161 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:41:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 00:41:10 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24002 In article <8cgmbo$71v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > > > herbcampb@my-deja.com wrote: > >> >> But I'm curious about something. How long does it take the bees to >> chew away that soft paper on the foundation? And why is it only on >>one side? >> >> Herb >**************************************************** > > >Howdy Herb -- > > Herb, you jest ? But just in case -- the separator paper is just >to keep the sheets of foundation from sticking together. Take it off >before installing in frames. Of course the bees WILL chew it off if >left on (pretty quickly). > > Pete >So much to learn - So little time ! >************************************************** > > I'll go one better. I guess if I'd have thought for a moment it wouldn't have surprised me so much, but my wife wraps candles we sell in the paer from foundation. It was a good reuse of the packing material but what really surprised me was how customers would prefer the candles wrapped in that paper rather than the nice clear topped boxes we had bought. I guess it's just another indication of how consumers really want to know the product was made with honest work and a minimum of hype. :) Article 24003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: grizzly bearnolds Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OT: How to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 06:18:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.28.33.9 To: mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 07 06:18:03 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 I-Gear (3.1.3), 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 142.28.33.9 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDearmails Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24003 For the life of me, I can't figure out how to post to this newsgroup. Anything I tried so far did not get through. (This is a direct post from the internet site.) I have been reading sci.agriculture.beekeeping with much interest. Ma. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "grizzly bearnolds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baggie Feeders Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:34:17 -0700 Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy Lines: 12 Message-ID: <027d01bfa05d$7553eba0$e7211c8e@nisgaa.bc.ca> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> <8c59j3$r7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38e85efa.115531949@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "grizzly bearnolds" NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-DejaID: _hQHvNcyahLblfpQYVJzS/Q= Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24004 For the life of me, I can't figure out how to post to this newsgroup. Anything I tried so far did not get through. (This is a posting via email.) I have been reading sci.agriculture.beekeeping with much interest. Ma. / Nass Valley - British Columbia CANADA mailto:mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsxfer.interpacket.net!news.interpacket.net!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: keeping swarms from absconding Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38eefd12.20306716@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 42 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:43:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.244.76.85 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955100596 209.244.76.85 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:43:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:43:16 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24005 (after a friend had a bit of trouble with an absconding swarm, I'm forwarding the contents here to help others keep their swarms hived:) -------------------------------------------------- If you're having trouble with absconding swarms, place a queen excluder between the first hive body and landing board. If the queen stays, the swarm stays. I've had queens sqeeze through bends in excluders and cracks in remaining hive bodies so you need to check the hive thoroughly. Remove the excluder once you see evidence of the queen laying (eggs; or workers with pollen entering the hive). You can also dump swarms ontop of an excluder placed over your new hive. Pick up the queen (bare handed or TIGHT gloved!) after the majority of the bees go through the excluder. She'll be on top trying to squirm through. Place her in a queen cage. You do this by placing her in one palm and closing your hand (barehanded is best!!! she won't sting - and usually, neither will the nurse bees tagging along - unless squeezed) and form a tunnel with the opening at the top, next to your thumb. Place the queen cage over the hole and watch the queen climb up into the cage, trying for the light. It's best to do this holding the queen over the new beehive just in case she escapes. Plug the hole with anything that bees will chew on - bee candy, paper swab, peice of straw, etc. I've found beeswax will do fine if you poke a small hole through the center to get them interested in chewing the wax down (don't poke your stick in so far that you harm the contents!). Hang the queen between the middle and feed the hive heavily. By the time the queen is released, with luck, the beehive will be settled. I'll forward this to the newsgroup to remind people there are easy methods to keep bees from absconding. You have some particular trouble in hiving an escaping swarm back to the same hive area. Those bees are TOUGH to keep put because they're familiar with the area and think they haven't yet swarmed. If you catch a swarm from your own hives again, keep the box well ventilated (screened) and bee-tight! Place them in your garage for a day or two. Spray the cluster with light sugar syrup (1:1 or bit less) 4-5 times a day. If they get sticky, spray in warm water with a bit of sugar. After this routine, take them anywhere and hive them. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO (& waiting patiently for our turn for swarm calls) Article 24006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Houston, We Have a Problem Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 00:03:21 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 57 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust144.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8cjt75$5a6$1@news.smartworld.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cust144.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24006 > > I'm pretty disappointed, but this fellow emphasized that losing a hive is > > part of beekeeping. > > Then why do they call it beeKEEPing > Why not call it, "having bees until something goes wrong and we then buy > more bees". Gosh, I really shouldn't have to explain this, but maybe, for some, I do. Here goes: Death is part of life, and no matter how good a beekeeper is, he or she is going to have some losses. Sometimes it is some of the bees, sometimes it is money, sometimes it is opportunity, sometimes it is whole hives. Oftentimes the losses are no reflection on the beekeeper. (More on this at http://www.beesource.com/pov/simple.htm ) As experience grows, usually the losses diminish, but that is not always true. Part of everything we do is luck. If you have always had luck, then you probably don't understand, but anyone who has gone without it for a stretch (excuse me), will know what I am talking about. Having been there, personally, I would not wish this experience on anyone -- even someone who could obviously learn a lot from it. I have heard beekeepers who have run a sizable number of hives for many years claim they have never lost a hive. I never believe another thing they say. Everyone loses hives. If it is the only one you have, or one of a small few, so much more the tragedy. Every winter, I lose literally hundreds of colonies to queen failure that takes place after the last inspection and before spring or other subtle things that can happen in spite of the best of professional care. I'd do much more damage than good trying to discover or prevent it mid-winter. I just have to accept it, clean up the mess, and make up the loss. Sure, losing all your hives all the time might warrant a comment like the one above, but there is no evidence that we are dealing with we are dealing with negligence here. Maybe some fall varroa treatment might have helped, maybe it wouldn't have. We don't even have a full diagnosis -- just an educated guess, and condolences from a neighbour. The measure of a beekeeper is not whether he or she claims to never lose hives, but rather whether he or she discovers and fesses up to mistakes, learns from those mistakes, and seeks out the wisdom of others -- and whether he or she recovers quickly and cleanly from inevitable losses when they happen. Losing hives is an inevitable part of beekeeping in areas where real winter occurs -- and most other places too. allen ------ More thoughts at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 24007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Paper Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:18:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8ckg6o$akl$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cgih1$2lq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ci413$noj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.47 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 07 11:18:57 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.47 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24007 In article <8ci413$noj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Glenn West wrote: > I've got to say you made my day. That's the funniest thing I've heard > in a while! > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Thanks Glenn. That was the idea! Pete: hrogers@arkansas.net >>Herb, you jest ?<< Yes Pete, I do. I've made a lot of mistakes with our bees, but this wasn't one of them. Thanks for being so kind to me. Greg: honeybs@radix.net >>You posted this four days late!.........I hope.<< Greg, you must be physic!!! I first thought of posting the question last weekend but took awhile to decide to do it. Several people are having serious problems with their bees so I wondered whether the humor would be out of place. Finally decided to go ahead because after all laughter is really the best medicine for most problems. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!kpnqwest.se!newsfeed.globecom.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9y1FkAAoYu64Ewt7@denrosa.demon.co.uk> <6h4PSOAYb864EwsG@kilty.demon.co.uk> Subject: SV: High tension near hives? Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.177.103 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 955091888 212.151.177.103 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:18:08 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:18:08 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 X-Sender: s-1020900@d212-151-177-103.swipnet.se Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:18:05 +0200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24008 Thanks for your help! I'll try the location and see what happens. I was a little worried, if magnetic fields could affect the bees not to find their way - but as it seems I shouldn't worry. Doris Article 24009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!easynews!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarms & queen handling - follow up Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38f00626.22630545@news.earthlink.net> References: <38eefd12.20306716@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:08:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.12.237 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955105690 209.245.12.237 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:08:10 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 04:08:10 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24009 After re-reading my last post, it occurred to me that many do not know how to pick up a queen. Do NOT touch her abdomen. She can be gracefully handled by two fingers, one on either side of her thorax (big dot in the middle of her back) or just close your fingers around where she's squirming through the excluder allowing her to climb on you. Once you have her, don't panic and scare her. Queens can move very quickly when frightened Keep your hands close to the action at the top of the hive so she knows there's escape close by without taking flight. Another post recently surfaced on Bee-L regarding handling queens and Bob Harrison made the good suggestion of practicing on drones. Matthew Westall - Castle Rock, CO Article 24010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Richard Flanagan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeeening after the swarm Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Apr 2000 11:28:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24010 I recently had my one hive swarm(Yes I wanted them to, to increase the number of hives) However I was told on the swarm after placing them in a new hive I should re-queen. Is this neccessary??/ Richard Flanagan in Charlotte NC I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 24011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Requeeening after the swarm Lines: 31 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:01:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.37 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955134103 12.72.40.37 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:01:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:01:43 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24011 No, it is not absolutely necessary but is recommended due to the age of the queen. This assumes she is the old mated queen and not a virgin from an afterswarm. If you want to make increase, I am curious why you would allow them to swarm instead of making a split. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Richard Flanagan" wrote in message news:20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com... > I recently had my one hive swarm(Yes I wanted them to, to increase the number > of hives) However I was told on the swarm after placing them in a new hive I > should re-queen. Is this neccessary??/ > > > > Richard Flanagan in Charlotte NC > I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 24012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hiving Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:10:16 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 18 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust43.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8clie5$a58$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <20000406204444.19057.00000151@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust43.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24012 That is a good temperature. If it is too warm, then you will have problems with them flying about and possibly getting confused. Wait until dusk and then put them in. The guys and I just did 300 the other night during a snow squall, so -- if you want pictures and a story -- see "A Beekeeper's Diary' at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ allen ----- > What is the lowest temperature that is safe to hive new bees? If my new ones > come tomorrow I will have to do it at 50 degrees Article 24013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: repbees@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Banking queens Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:54:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8cllf5$kh0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.52 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Apr 07 21:54:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.52 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrepbees Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24013 I recently purchased several extra queens to be used to requeen some hives. I am presently faced with the problem of possibly having to delay the requeening for up to a couple or three weeks. Have any of you "Banked" queens in some manner- preferably in the shipping cages? I was wondering how long I might be able to keep them in a cool-not cold- quiet place by feeding them a drop or two of syrup a few times a day. I will certainly appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. repbees Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeeening after the swarm Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:33:44 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8clk6i$aib1@news.vtx.ch> References: <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-2-p08.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24014 Not necessarily. check if the swarm has a queen first, and how fit she is... Richard Flanagan a écrit dans le message : 20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com... > I recently had my one hive swarm(Yes I wanted them to, to increase the number > of hives) However I was told on the swarm after placing them in a new hive I > should re-queen. Is this neccessary??/ > > > > Richard Flanagan in Charlotte NC > I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 24015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EE22DB.CF32E128@crosslink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 18:03:07 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: They Swarmed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn03.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 955148081 9650 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24015 Well after all the swarm prevention stuff I did they still swarmed ( I caught them).. I reversed, I put new clean bottom boards, I replaced 6 frames of old wax with new fresh wax, and did not stimulate with feeding, checked every 10 days for QC's ( and destroyed the one's I found). And last, when I treated for varroa I had a zero count on sticky board. I guess after all that and they still swarmed it must be fate. Ingrates!! Just goes to show mother nature is hard to fool!! Article 24016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeeening after the swarm Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:07:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955149031 nnrp-10:4577 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24016 In article <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com>, Richard Flanagan writes >I recently had my one hive swarm(Yes I wanted them to, to increase the number >of hives) However I was told on the swarm after placing them in a new hive I >should re-queen. Is this neccessary??/ No. She may last another season or supersede the same season. The recommendation is because new queens tend to lay better, the colonies get more honey and they tend not to swarm at least in the first season. They are trying to reproduce when they swarm, so they can swarm again, in the same season *if* they can build up enough or next season. The other reason is the replacement queen can be from a selected good strain whereas the supersedure queen will mate with whatever local drones catch her and you cannot predict the value of the offspring unless you flood the area with drones from selected stock. The same could be said of the swarmed stock of course. The value of the swarm is many fold: it is a natural swarm so works hard, produces excellent comb and can even give a surplus of honey if managed well. A friend got 100lb honey (in an area where over 50lb is good) from a swarm which was given one good feed and drew a brood box and super in a few days then set about filling them. -- James Kilty Article 24017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: They Swarmed Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:16:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <38EE22DB.CF32E128@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955149464 nnrp-03:6222 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 17 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24017 In article <38EE22DB.CF32E128@crosslink.net>, L.E.G. writes >Well after all the swarm prevention stuff I did they still swarmed ( I >caught them).. >I reversed, I put new clean bottom boards, I replaced 6 frames of old >wax with new fresh wax, and did not stimulate with feeding, checked >every 10 days for QC's ( and destroyed the one's I found). And last, >when I treated for varroa I had a zero count on sticky board. I guess >after all that and they still swarmed it must be fate. >Ingrates!! Just goes to show mother nature is hard to fool!! 10 days is more long enough to produce a sealed queen cell from nothing. The 10 day inspection is based on a clipped queen not being able to go with the swarm when it tries to go and so when you look, she's still there so you can take action. 7 days just gets them in time if you don't miss any eggs (most of the time). -- James Kilty Article 24018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive Message-ID: <38ee7866.30756993@news.usit.net> References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 17 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:11:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.177 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 955152717 216.80.168.177 (Fri, 07 Apr 2000 20:11:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 20:11:57 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24018 This hive swarmed around 1 pm and landed about 4 foot off the ground. I shook them into hive put in one frame of brood. Should I requeen this hive or what? 4/7/00 On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:00:44 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: >I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on >front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This >morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full >or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in >southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and >is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are >all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 24019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Moth Experience Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:24:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 157.238.208.145 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 00:24:23 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 157.238.208.145 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24019 As a 3rd year beekeeper, I trudge on against these determined creatures, I am learning some tips you might find useful. First of all, I used BT against heavily infested frames. It killed the larvae for awhile. However, it may dissuade bees from using the frame again because of the residue. Freezing the frames seems to make the wax cells brittle and breakable. Another item I discovered is that baby wax moth larvae seem to congregate en masse underneath the pollen plugs stored in wax cells. In duragilt, the moth larvae tunnel next to the plastic backing and can leave most of the cells intact except for the gap they've made. To remove the larvae/webbing, I have found that taking a toothpick, inserting it in a cell and twisting it between one's fingers helps snag the webbing and remove it and the eggs quite well. I speculate on a solution to this insect of mass destruction. Could a foundation be designed to automatically color a cell a certain color if a wax moth larvae is in it (by chemical reaction of some kind) without injuring a bee larvae and have the beekeeper remove it. Maybe better yet is to find a small predator of the wax moth and release it in a hive? If anyone has any other wax moth ideas they've tried, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Thanks. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38EE92E2.81DA4314@together.net> Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:01:06 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Banking queens References: <8cllf5$kh0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-153-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 7 Apr 2000 22:02:17 -0500, dial-153-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 26 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-153-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24020 When I bank queens, I use a "7-wire" type excluder. Pick a strong colony with the cluster in the top box. Remove the inner cover, and replace it with the excluder. Place the queen cages face down on the excluder. The wooden slats of the "7-wire" excluder maintain a space between the wires and the cage. Cover the excluder and cages with a cloth (I use a wool one). Next place a rim (shallow super) on the excluder. Then the inner and outer cover. The bees will take care of the queens. I've kept queens for months this way. Doesn't help their laying capabilities any tho'. Mike repbees@my-deja.com wrote: > I recently purchased several extra queens to be used to requeen some > hives. I am presently faced with the problem of possibly having to > delay the requeening for up to a couple or three weeks. Have any of > you "Banked" queens in some manner- preferably in the shipping cages? > I was wondering how long I might be able to keep them in a cool-not > cold- quiet place by feeding them a drop or two of syrup a few times a > day. I will certainly appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. > > repbees > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:05:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8cm45b$41m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 02:05:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24021 > southbee@my-deja.com wrote: > > If anyone has any other wax moth ideas they've tried, I'd appreciate > hearing from you. > Thanks. southbee ************************************************ Howdy southbee -- To help the bees in a weak colony get rid of the worms : Shake the bees off a comb and while holding one end of the frame, whack the bottom bar or top bar of the other end sharply several times with your hive tool. The vibration causes worms of all sizes (except those in cocoons) crawl to the surface so they can be destroyed. Change ends a couple of times and repeat. It may surprise you to see how many worms emerge. Don't worry about the web, the bees can take care of that better than you can. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping swarms from absconding Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:47:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8cm6ka$6nk$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38eefd12.20306716@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 02:47:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24022 > qualityram@yahoo.ie wrote: > If you're having trouble with absconding swarms, ********************************************************** Howdy all -- A simple and near fool-proof way to house a swarm: Collect the swarm in a cardboard box and set it where you want the hive to be. at LATE afternoon place about two frames of open brood from another hive into the new hive and shake/march the swarm into the hive. By the time morning arrives the swarm has completed adoption papers on the larvae and are home to stay. Of course you put on a feeder so the swarm will have plenty of food to convert to wax and royal jelly even in bad weather or at night. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hiving Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:58:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8cm77s$7ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000406204444.19057.00000151@ng-fw1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 02:58:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24023 > timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) wrote: > What is the lowest temperature that is safe to hive new bees? If my >new ones come tomorrow I will have to do it at 50 degrees. > Tim W. ************************************************************ Howdy Tim -- 50 degrees should be fine. After all the bees fly at that temperature unless there is too much wind. Hiving? I prefer to remove 4 frames and place the opened cage in that opening, with the queen cage suspended adjacent to the cage. This requires an extra trip, but it prevnts further trauma to the little critters. They have been through a lot already putting up with the postal service. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 03:07:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8cm7os$7lu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 03:07:15 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24024 > "Mike Geis" wrote: > It seems that there are three types of feeders. ****************************************************** Howdy Mike -- I have used the three methods you mention, but there is one I like better: In some type of migratory type top board, cut a 2 3/4" hole with a hole saw or jig saw. The entrance feeder lid fits this. Put your jar of feed on the top. Contents are visible and does not require an extra super. The main advantage is that the cluster can form around the lid and they can take food when it is COLD. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Lines: 12 Organization: news.starpoint.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 06:44:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 955176249 209.32.197.9 (Sat, 08 Apr 2000 01:44:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 01:44:09 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24025 Some times no matter what we do pop happens. My suggestion is kill the rest of the bees by shaking them into the grass, close up the hive and get on the phone and order a 3 lb package immediately, you may have to hunt a while to find a supplier. You will be very dissapointed by trying to nurse these bees along queen or no queen in colony. We need to think like the farmer when he sees an animal suffering he puts it down, like wise put this colony out of it misery. Elroy Article 24026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EF2037.98231E8C@gte.net> From: roy chapman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-GTE_NC4 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 X-Trace: +ryjt+YhYV7yFCYX5l1z8+i7hlqPa/Xd3NcCaxr7Y9yQOk4gcXF9Ssn8xCDmtdfmJE1LZ+t8BZz9!DrPQLVk2/Rm3W+RdqNa2tNG9Y0WYCSVfODdw3pUIMFLIoMk6fVSm3SzMHDd5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:07:04 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:07:04 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24026 Hi Southbee, I agree with Gregg but I also make up moth traps and set them out in the trees by my hives. I make them out of liter plastic pop bottles. I put a hole in the cap so I can get a string in it to tie it to the tree branches. Where the bottle straightens out I cut a 1" to 1 1/2" hole opposite each other just below the curve of the bottle and put some water, vinegar, sugar and a banana peel in the bottle in equal measures. This attracts the moths fly's and wasps away from my hives and traps them. southbee@my-deja.com wrote: > As a 3rd year beekeeper, I trudge on against these determined creatures, > I am learning some tips you might find useful. First of all, I used BT > against heavily infested frames. It killed the larvae for awhile. > However, it may dissuade bees from using the frame again because of the > residue. Freezing the frames seems to make the wax cells brittle and > breakable. Another item I discovered is that baby wax moth larvae seem > to congregate en masse underneath the pollen plugs stored in wax cells. > In duragilt, the moth larvae tunnel next to the plastic backing and can > leave most of the cells intact except for the gap they've made. To > remove the larvae/webbing, I have found that taking a toothpick, > inserting it in a cell and twisting it between one's fingers helps snag > the webbing and remove it and the eggs quite well. > > I speculate on a solution to this insect of mass destruction. Could a > foundation be designed to automatically color a cell a certain color if > a wax moth larvae is in it (by chemical reaction of some kind) > without injuring a bee larvae and have the beekeeper remove it. Maybe > better yet is to find a small predator of the wax moth and release it in > a hive? > > If anyone has any other wax moth ideas they've tried, I'd appreciate > hearing from you. > > Thanks. > > southbee > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mbarton15653@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 12:39:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8cn998$9hu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.131.242.4 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 12:39:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.5; Mac_PowerPC) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 194.131.242.4 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmbarton15653 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24027 Many thanks to all who replied - as you can imagine there were quite a few differing theories - probably due to me having all the information but little knowledge in describing it accurately! I know for definite that they were capped stores as opposed to capped brood and that the number of bees remaining appears to be decreasing as the days pass with still the very occasional one bringing in pollen. Because the mites mentioned were so clearly visible and I'd read and heard that varroa mite was quite difficult to detect I assumed Braula. Also at the time I used the Bayvoral as a preventative I checked my temporary floor (mesh on sticky card) debris and could not detect the varroa mite. The suggestion of placing on a super came from a local society member - oops! He was certainly right in suggesting that the workers would clear up the spillage and take it up into the drawn comb but I certainly now understand and take your point about not giving more space to a sickly colony. There has been a suggestion that when I collect another colony that I could unite, others feel I should clean out and should start again - would I be able to use the existing honey brood frames to supply the new bees - or should I harvest that? Regards to all and thank Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT: How to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:06:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8cnasi$b9b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.201.56 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 08 13:06:32 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.201.56 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24028 In article <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca wrote: > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to post to this newsgroup. > Anything I tried so far did not get through. (This is a direct post > from the internet site.) > > I have been reading sci.agriculture.beekeeping with much interest. > > Ma. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Dear Ma, Me too!!! Here is the routine I finally figured out although there must be an easier way: 1. Click on reply 2. Type your post under the one that is automatically copied for you. At this point you can also edit the post you are responding to - like deleting any excess words beyond the point you actually want to comment on. 3. Click on Send (no preview) at the bottom. 4. Then you will be asked to log in with your deja.com name and password. So do that. 5. Then you will be presented with a blank post form. Ignore that and either click on the back arrow on your screen or use alt + left arrow to go back. 6. This will get you to a notice that your page has expired. Go back again. 7. I just did all of that and am now back here finishing up the post. Now I'll try Preview 8. Okay, that worked. I had 2 choices, edit or send. I clicked on edit to come back here and complete this post. Good luck. If you run into problems write me at Vasak@aol.com Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000406204444.19057.00000151@ng-fw1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Hiving Lines: 34 Organization: news.starpoint.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 07:33:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 955179189 209.32.197.1 (Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:33:09 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:33:09 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24029 I onced hived packages after dark the temp dropped to almost freezing a few of the clusters became too cold to stay up with the queen. The reason for installing at night was there were so many robber bees during the day it was almost impossible for day time installing. On cool weather the bees were very quiet, I just opened the package shook the bees into the hive replaced the frames,and the hung the queen cage just above the bees. I did use creamed honey in place of the candy plug on the queen cage for quick release. If this is the your first package you can cut down on bees flying by spraying them through the screen with sugar water until they can't take any more. Remove the queen cage from the top, then just remove 4 frames out of the middle of the hive shake the bees in the area where you took the frames out. If the bees begin flying too much spray them with some sugar water. All that is left is replace 3 frames and hang the queen cage in between two of the frames by pressing the cage into the wax on each side. Make sure the bees have access to her through the wire to feed her, and make sure the candy plug is accessable. You can even remove some of the candy plug using a nail just make a small hole through it. I no longer release queens this way, it is much too slow too many days lost waiting for the bees to release her, and if the queen is caged too long see may be superceded right away. I found if you mask the queens pheremones by spraying the bees with sugar water and then the queen you can release her right on to the combs with the bees. You have to be careful because a queen that has been caged can fly, make sure you get her wings wet. I talked to another beekeper in this area tha uses aftershave to mask the queens pheremones. Have fun with the bees. Elroy Article 24030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: keeping swarms from absconding Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:26:18 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 32 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust59.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8cnf3h$bp1$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <38eefd12.20306716@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust59.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24030 > If you're having trouble with absconding swarms, place a queen > excluder between the first hive body and landing board. If the queen > stays, the swarm stays. Here are some more ideas: * Install the swarm into a hive, then keep the hive in *total* darkness for several days in a cool place, maybe in a garage or basement. Don't permit even a crack of light or they will crawl to it. You can inspect them during this time using red light. A $2 trailer tail light lens (available anywhere) taped to a flashlight works fine. You can see, but they can't. The idea is that if the bees will start to build comb and the queen to lay, then they will stay. It is necessary to ensure they have adequate feed and ventilation during this time. * Move the swarm 10 miles or more from where you found it. There is much less chance they will continue to their chosen spot, because they should be well out of their known territory. Lesser distances can work depending on terrain and how far the bees have been ranging. No absolute guarantees for this method, though. * Place a frame with eggs and young larvae with the swarm whether you decide to store them in the dark or not. Bees are reluctant to abandon young brood. This is also a good idea because, in case they are queenless or left with a failing queen, they will get to work raising a new one and you can decide whether to wait for it or to try to install a purchased queen. allen ------- More bee thoughts at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 24031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 09:44:15 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <38eefe50.80273821@news1.radix.net> References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24031 On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:24:23 GMT, southbee@my-deja.com wrote: >As a 3rd year beekeeper, I trudge on against these determined creatures, >I am learning some tips you might find useful. First of all, I used BT >against heavily infested frames. It killed the larvae for awhile. >However, it may dissuade bees from using the frame again because of the >residue. Freezing the frames seems to make the wax cells brittle and >breakable. Another item I discovered is that baby wax moth larvae seem >to congregate en masse underneath the pollen plugs stored in wax cells. >In duragilt, the moth larvae tunnel next to the plastic backing and can >leave most of the cells intact except for the gap they've made. To >remove the larvae/webbing, I have found that taking a toothpick, >inserting it in a cell and twisting it between one's fingers helps snag >the webbing and remove it and the eggs quite well. > >I speculate on a solution to this insect of mass destruction. Could a >foundation be designed to automatically color a cell a certain color if >a wax moth larvae is in it (by chemical reaction of some kind) >without injuring a bee larvae and have the beekeeper remove it. Maybe >better yet is to find a small predator of the wax moth and release it in >a hive? > >If anyone has any other wax moth ideas they've tried, I'd appreciate >hearing from you. > >Thanks. > >southbee Keeping strong hives works for me. You can't let the mites get to the point that they weaken the hive! Becomeing a better more diligent beekeeper will make all the difference in the world. Greg the beekeep Article 24032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EF0A75.94975B58@crosslink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 10:31:17 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> <38ee7866.30756993@news.usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn59.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 955207327 10550 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24032 Mine swarmed around 430 (they did not read book). As you were saying that they were hanging out on front of hive. These did not!! I did notice one thing though, they did not move up through the QE, so temporally I removed the QE's from the rest of the hives. When they have settled in , in the supers and swarm season is over, I will replace QE's, if needed. That will be based on if the Queen moves up. This Queen Excluder thing needs more research during swarm season. Idea's ANYONE??? "gfdavis"@usit.net\"\" wrote: > This hive swarmed around 1 pm and landed about 4 foot off the ground. > I shook them into hive put in one frame of brood. Should I requeen > this hive or what? 4/7/00 > > On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:00:44 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: > > >I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on > >front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This > >morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full > >or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in > >southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and > >is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are > >all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 24033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EF5023.B59A06DB@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Supplies Grand Oppening Specials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:27:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.149 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 955207668 206.172.183.149 (Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:27:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 11:27:48 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24033 Visit www.honeyroad.com for some great grand oppening specials, with postage included! 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Allen Banks Honey Road Apiaries Article 24034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!news.stetson.edu!attmt2!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: OT: How to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 08:59:54 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 63 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust59.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8cnh2g$etd$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cnasi$b9b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust59.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24034 > > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to post to this newsgroup. > > Anything I tried so far did not get through. > Me too!!! Here is the routine I finally figured out although > there must be an easier way > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ I used DejaNews for years because I could not find a good ISP that had all of s.a.b. Recently I found freewwweb ( http://www.freewwweb.com/ ) which provides free dialup and also has a good newsfeed, so I am now able to work offline using Outlook Express. Freewwweb does change a few things on one's computer when signing up, but I quickly got things back so that I can use my normal ISP and also freewwweb. I'm happy. Anyhow, back to Deja.com. Freewwweb is available all over the US and Canada, but is not available in some areas or in the boonies. However, Deja is available anywhere that you can get an internet connection. First, I should mention that there is a custom Deja *power search* of all of the past posts to s.a.b. at the top of the page at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ so anyone can go there and enter a query and immediately get all the past posts on any topic on one web page. That is often much more productive than writing a new post asking the same question that has already been answered recently, because people may be bored with the topic and not respond very well. Secondly, to get hassle free posting privileges from Deja, you should *join* Deja. If you do that, as a bonus you get to make your own web page (if you wish) and a web based email account (if you wish), and all kinds of privileges, including having s.a.b. emailed to you! (if you wish). You can then reply by email and not have to squat on the telephone line while you write. Maybe I should mention that once you are at the 'post' or 'reply' web page at Deja, you can hang up the phone and write for hours, then reconnect and send without losing the work. 'Back' and 'forward' browser buttons will take you back to your work if things go wrong. After registering at Deja, you will never have to go through the hassle of identifying yourself as long as you use the same computer and let it remember the passwords. The process is simple. When you are registered, you have a Deja home page, which you should bookmark and use as an entry point, with your groups on it and Deja remembers you without your having to sign in (I think you must allow 'cookies'). You can mark all message as 'old' if you like so when you return you only see the new messages. I have a whole page dedicated to getting connected to s.a.b. at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Bee/sci.htm . All the things on that page work for me, but if they do not work *for you*, let me know, because once a person does something like register at Deja -- for example -- the site treats that computer completely differently and the problems that others see may not appear. If you have troubles, write back and we'll get everyone using this excellent resource who needs it allen ------ Read my diary at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Article 24035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EF5105.750C032F@gte.net> From: roy chapman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-GTE_NC4 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new queens losing marks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 X-Trace: /wsFG3i+9EQKGaFR/cH+WXOHA05rX3CYyKY0z32g1qnYnxEVLaTVtsTgDgu3cx7446PYUY7jGHx/!j9Pmz+uplhnM8iOwL++D+DcCdA8zWoIEpGAs/R9QOPeIQl3ZRtuK/sK7/oY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:35:18 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:35:18 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24035 Last week I received three marked queens to put in split and requeen small hives. It took about three days for the bees toeat through the candy in the queen cages and the queens were still marked at this point. There were no queens in hive bodt up to this time and bees were excepting them and feeding through screen on cages. I looked in on them yesterday and they were not marked anymore. My question is has anyone ever had this problem of the bees taking the markings off the queens? I know that they are the same queens as it has only been six days and I checked very carefully for queen cells and other queens on frames and found none. Any answers? Article 24036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: new queens losing marks Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:39:41 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <38EF5105.750C032F@gte.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24036 I have heard of this before, the workers are so diligent in cleaning the queen they remove the mark all together. A solution to this may be a battle of 20,000 cleaning workers to 1 frustrated queen painting beekeeper if you know what I mean! Good luck, keep us updated! Don. roy chapman wrote in message news:38EF5105.750C032F@gte.net... > Last week I received three marked queens to put in split and > requeen small hives. It took about three days for the bees toeat > through the candy in the queen cages and the queens were still marked at > this point. There were no queens in hive bodt up to this time and bees > were excepting them and feeding through screen on cages. I looked in on > them yesterday and they were not marked anymore. My question is has > anyone ever had this problem of the bees taking the markings off the > queens? I know that they are the same queens as it has only been six > days and I checked very carefully for queen cells and other queens on > frames and found none. Any answers? > Article 24037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeeening after the swarm Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:45:00 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24037 I have had four swarms in the last two weeks, non of which I was hoping for, however, I have caught three. I haven't requeened any of them, and I have seen eggs in all three new hives. I believe if the queen isn't fit, which the hive usally figures out rather quickly, the'll replace her naturally. Just a thought. Richard Flanagan wrote in message news:20000407072811.28141.00000112@ng-ft1.aol.com... > I recently had my one hive swarm(Yes I wanted them to, to increase the number > of hives) However I was told on the swarm after placing them in a new hive I > should re-queen. Is this neccessary??/ > > > > Richard Flanagan in Charlotte NC > I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth 3 John 4 Article 24038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "DP" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:59:02 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24038 Hey Rodney, I recently attend a beekeeping short course, where Dr. Keith Delaplane spoke briefly on chalkbrood. He mentioned that chalkbrood can be caused by improper ventilation in the hive. The hive can't maintain the humidity in the hive, therefore some brood dies; giving that molt white "ghost" brood. The workers then clean the cell out and remove the ghost. He recommends to prop up the outside cover just a little. (I use a 3/4" piece of wood between the outside cover and inner cover) This will allow the bee's to control the humidity and air-flow much easier. Rodney Moore wrote in message news:2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > I have a stand of bees which I think has chalkbrood. The bees are > carrying out dead brood. It looks like it is still in the pupal stage. > Only it is dried out. There was several on the landing board and on the > ground. What do I do? I have four other stands right beside of them. Are > they going to get it too? In the same stand I did also see a wax moth > larvae. Could this have something to do with it? > Article 24039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Alan/FreddySchultz/Chavarria" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: high voltage Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:05:21 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8cnp0h$25e$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.0b.32 X-Server-Date: 8 Apr 2000 17:07:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24039 I have also heard of problems due to high voltage, possible to the electro-magnetic fields....when a strong magnet is placed on a hive the bees loose all orientation and build their combs in a hap-hazzard fashion...I assume that electro-mag. fields influence the hive in a similiar fashon.... Article 24040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EF323C.E08E5AFE@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baggie Feeders References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> <8c59j3$r7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38e85efa.115531949@news.earthlink.net> <027d01bfa05d$7553eba0$e7211c8e@nisgaa.bc.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 X-Trace: /Kkf2O2i8Hrd1s5JUcPESnVY/MJzsmmpxAXeJP/oK9r3xVwWVLlduoSZbp+CYwmzlH6Wni6OjJu0!YQUfz6sPeQsm/Pj8tVEU9ZR+XSLHlKC0DTGs3+gus2Z0zialN3t0rYXnuzknlBjFj4neTueKKA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:59:47 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 17:59:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24040 grizzly bearnolds wrote: > > For the life of me, I can't figure out how to post to this newsgroup. > Anything I tried so far did not get through. (This is a posting via email.) > > I have been reading sci.agriculture.beekeeping with much interest. > > Ma. / Nass Valley - British Columbia CANADA > mailto:mkittner@nisgaa.bc.ca > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Do you hit "Reply" or "Reply All"? Either of these should send your message. Good luck. Louise Article 24041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave Caldwell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drawing Foundation Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:42:12 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24041 I am in need of drawn comb. I am hoping to pick up a swarm of two soon to use for this purpose. No calls as of yet. I did however remove a feral colony from an individual's home about a month ago and I am thinking about using them. I thought that I would feed them heavily for a week or so then shake them all off into a new hive with foundation. I would of course place a frame of brood in there with them. I did not get the queen when I removed them so by now they do not have much brood left. They do have a ripe queen cell about to emerge and I do have three nucs with super queens in them that I could use to requeen them with in the event this QC is a dud. I am thinking that this would be creating an artificial swarm and serve the same purpose as a normal swarm for drawing foundation. Any thoughts on this? Thanks in advance, Dave Article 24042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news7.onvoy.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "E. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8cit1g$kiu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cn998$9hu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Whats gone wrong - no brood Lines: 28 Organization: news.starpoint.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 04:01:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.32.197.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onvoy.com X-Trace: news7.onvoy.net 955252885 209.32.197.8 (Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:01:25 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 23:01:25 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24042 >There has been a suggestion that when I collect another colony that I >could unite, others feel I should clean out and should start again - >would I be able to use the existing honey brood frames to supply the new >bees - or should I harvest that? Don't try to harvest this honey from the brood combs it most likely has pollen stored under it. The new package bees will really take off with all the stored pollen and honey. The bees that are there now and most likely are queenless will eat up another 3 or 4 lbs of honey before the finally die of, the honey is worth more than $1.00 lb in the comb. Some of the bees may even join another colony close by and then return to rob all the honey you have stored. also if some of these bees live long enough to be there when you install the new package they will most likely kill the new queen as soon as she gets released, because some of the worker bees will develop into drone layers by then. At this stage there is no help for them. Like I suggested earlier kill them now while your ahead then seal the hive and start over, you will feel better when you have a healthy colony to work on later. GEt a 3 lb package instead of a 2 lb it may cost an extra $10 but it will be almost twice as strong in 5 weeks as the 2 lb package. Elroy Article 24043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "Roel ten Klei" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cd-rom Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 07:48:14 +0200 Organization: WorldOnline - The Internet Communication Company Lines: 26 Message-ID: <8cp5iq$pd4$1@nereid.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: vp227-60.worldonline.nl X-Trace: nereid.worldonline.nl 955259290 26020 195.241.227.60 (9 Apr 2000 05:48:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@worldonline.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2000 05:48:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24043 You can order the Apimondia Gold medal winner CD-rom "honey bees and other insects" Bij sending your creditcard number and exp. date to bijenhuis@tip.nl we will withdraw US$ 27,50 and send you one postage included. if you like to fax dial + 31 317 424180 http://www.vbbn.nl Article 24044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 166.90.239.154 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: new queens losing marks Lines: 20 From: eanglin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <00254fe2.07b9b3c9@usw-ex0106-046.remarq.com> References: <38EF5105.750C032F@gte.net> Bytes: 996 X-Wren-Trace: eNbz29rDhM6Fl8zZ35/ZzMbAw8Dzy5fI3NWX1tDPj8ePhtiOiNiRi4OZg4aM Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:11:34 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.46 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 955274813 10.0.2.46 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:06:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:06:53 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24044 I have seen the markings rubbed/ cleaned off a few of my queens- I fuiured that the paint was not durable, and just flaked off. (It wore off in the center first, leaving a ring of blue paint.) You could clip the queen, if you just want to keep track of her,or re-mark her with a tiny drop of white-out correction fluid. I find that the white-out does wear off in a year or two, but by then I am ready to requeen anyway. Practise a LOT on drones and workers before doing a queen. Clean your fingertips with an alcohol wipe to make sure they are not sticky with propolis. (Alcohol wipes are available at pharmacys, with the diabetic or first aid supplies.) Springy thread snippers fron the fabric store are the best scissors I have found for clipping- no finger holes to find, and easy to use while preoccupied. Ellen Anglin * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 166.90.239.154 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: OT: How to post to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 7 From: eanglin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0a5d0353.fa71b514@usw-ex0101-006.remarq.com> References: <8cjuih$o1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cnasi$b9b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8cnh2g$etd$1@news.smartworld.net> Bytes: 313 X-Wren-Trace: eImshIWc25HayJOGgMCGk5mfnJ+slMiXg4rIiY+Q0JjQ2YfR14fO1NzG3NnT Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:14:32 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.6 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 955275287 10.0.2.6 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:14:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 03:14:47 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24045 I used to use Dejanews, but I got fed up with how slow it is! Now I use remarq ( http://www.remarq.com ) Much faster, easy to use- I recommend it highly! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Who sells beeswax foundation molds? Message-ID: <38f05f92.885199@news.usit.net> References: <4qv9dskh6vcg76r5er1mt0k2h1u761fjoi@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 1 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 10:48:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 955277319 216.80.168.167 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 06:48:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 06:48:39 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24046 Brushy mountain in NC their site is www.beeequipment.com Article 24047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.giganews.com!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal2.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Balling? Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 07:32:43 -0500 Organization: The Internet Connection - ticnet.com (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6E0D5E116AE86177.29A58039EEE19023.9EBC386986408484@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <8cptmq$ukd@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Apr 9 07:39:54 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !d]hd4F\Ihq-jr. (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24047 I tried requeening a large hive that was somewhat testy and I really screwed up. I found (what luck!) the old queen quickly and killed her and put the new queen in her cage for bees to release. I also thought I was banking another queen to put in a weak colony that I didn't want mess with because of the chilly weather. When I went to pull the cage to retrieve the other queen, both were empty! I was curious, so I pulled a frame and found a small ball of bees (about the size of a quarter) that I poked at and caught a glimpse of a queen. I quickly put the frame back in and closed up the hive. I've read that new queens are easily disturbed and balled. If it happens what should we do? And the other question could there be 2 queens loose in the hive? Or was one probably killed by the bees or now both? This hive is really annoying and my ineptness doesn't help. It is a strong hive in beginner apiary of 2 packages, a nuc, and a very weak hive, so it's a bully with robbing and pestering the others being a continual challenge. I may combine the nuc with the weak hive or just requeen the weakling and see how it goes. I'm in Texas and our flow is just getting going. Jim Article 24048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38F087C8.ABAD94E2@together.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 09:38:17 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Balling? References: <6E0D5E116AE86177.29A58039EEE19023.9EBC386986408484@lp.airnews.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-9-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 9 Apr 2000 09:39:55 -0500, dial-9-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 75 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-9-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24048 I know "they" say to kill the old queen and give a caged queen, but I don't have much luck requeening that way. I'm not saying it can't be done that way, just... when someone says... all ya gotta do is.... the bells and whistles go off in my head. I feel the best way to requeen a colony is with a nuc. Assuming there is brood in both chambers, remove the top chamber, and shake ALL the bees back into the bottom chamber. Place an excluder on it, and place the top chamber on the excluder. The combs you shook go back in, and the hive is covered. Leave it overnight. Next day replace the excluder with a division board. Give the top chamber (the nuc) a caged queen and an entrance to the rear. The old bees fly back to the bottom, leaving young bees to tend the brood. They accept the queen readily. The old queen, or QUEENS, remain below. When the nuc's queen is laying well, and the nuc is getting strong (3-4 weeks), kill the old queen and unite the two with newspaper. I say queens because sometimes there are two queens in a hive. I requeened 100 colonies one year the way you describe. I killed the old queens, and gave a caged queen to each, not pulling the corks for 3 days. When I came back, many had released the queen by chewing away the corks. Several of these colonies were trying to ball the queens in the cages yet unreleased. That didn't seem right to me, so I looked a little deeper. In every one of those, I found freshly laid eggs. I found that seven of the 100 had a second queen. I tried another bunch of colonies the same way. This time I used home made introduction cages-all wire-no wood. I killed the old queens, and gave a new queen in my screen cage. Three days later, I checked. Most of the caged queens were being fed nicely. The bees on the screen were calm, making happy little buzzing noises. Some, on the other hand, were covering the cage, and obviously trying to ball the queen inside. In every instance, there was a second queen in the hive. Lesson-there are two queens in a colony more often than you think. So anyway, when you are ready to unite the nuc with the old colony, and have to kill the old queen, be sure that there is only 1 queen in the parent hive. Do this by shaking them through an excluder shaker box. How? Nail a wood bound excluder to the bottom of a good hive body. That will be your shaker box. Remove all the combs and bees from the parent colony, and place your shaker box on the parents hive body. Shake the bees into the shaker, and then slide the combs under it,back into the parent. Any queens will be left in the shaker box, after the bees go down through the excluder. Then unite the parent and the nuc with newspaper. I think you will have better luck with this procedure. Good luck. Mike Jim Sharp wrote: > I tried requeening a large hive that was somewhat > testy and I really screwed up. I found (what luck!) > the old queen quickly and killed her and put the > new queen in her cage for bees to release. I also > thought I was banking another queen to put in a > weak colony that I didn't want mess with because > of the chilly weather. When I went to pull the cage > to retrieve the other queen, both were empty! > > I was curious, so I pulled a frame and found a small > ball of bees (about the size of a quarter) that I poked > at and caught a glimpse of a queen. I quickly put the > frame back in and closed up the hive. > > I've read that new queens are easily disturbed and > balled. If it happens what should we do? And the other > question could there be 2 queens loose in the hive? > Or was one probably killed by the bees or now both? > > This hive is really annoying and my ineptness doesn't > help. It is a strong hive in beginner apiary of 2 packages, > a nuc, and a very weak hive, so it's a bully with robbing > and pestering the others being a continual challenge. I > may combine the nuc with the weak hive or just requeen > the weakling and see how it goes. I'm in Texas and our > flow is just getting going. > > Jim Article 24049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 24.112.144.102 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Storing new foundation. Lines: 7 From: arch63 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01dcf111.8e9618ed@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> Bytes: 364 X-Wren-Trace: eFx5UVBJDkQPG0RRVxdcdUZAWFRYURAEWl9eHwccC00CCFIMBkgHAwAP Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:50:02 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.24 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 955291521 10.0.2.24 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:45:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 07:45:21 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24049 I've been busy building hive bodies and frames etc.and am running out of room in my basement. Can I store the stuff in the garage? It is all new foundation only. Should I fear wax-moth? Thanks, Glen Archer. * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping Supplies Grand Oppening Specials Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Apr 2000 15:57:19 GMT References: <38EF5023.B59A06DB@honeyroad.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000409115719.17963.00000519@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24050 You have nice stuff but I still think some of it is quite expencive I can get it locally for cheaper sorry but it is a great site Article 24051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 9 frames vs. 10 frames Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Apr 2000 16:05:44 GMT References: <6zdH4.5747$oX5.5303@jump.innerx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000409120544.17963.00000530@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24051 Good practice to start out with 10 frames to force the bees to draw it out properly. I keep 10 in brood boxes and after the honey supers are drawn out I'll put 9 frame spacers in honey supers only makes for uncaping much easer you get just as much honey in longer cells Article 24052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Apr 2000 16:18:36 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000409121836.17963.00000540@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24052 I have 2 hives right now in New England and I aways use excluders I harvested 150 lbs off of one and 210 lbs off of the other. course there are tricks to it if your useing supers already drawn out the bees will go through if they are foundation they seem to not want ot rush up to draw it out so as long as I am useing new foundation I don't use the QE untill it is properly drawn out then I place it in there befor the queen finds some nice new cells to lay in. But if the bees fill the bottom up with honey sometimes the queen won't go any farther she will stop at the honey and go back down... Article 24053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Apr 2000 16:24:03 GMT References: <20000331083328.22362.00000054@ng-df1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000409122403.17963.00000541@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24053 A paint stirer works well for a float also Article 24054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01dcf111.8e9618ed@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> Subject: Re: Storing new foundation. Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <5U2I4.5911$8v5.393581@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955300481 12.72.49.31 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:41 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24054 The new foundation offers wax moths nothing in the way of protein so they will be fine in the garage. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "arch63" wrote in message news:01dcf111.8e9618ed@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com... > I've been busy building hive bodies and frames etc.and am running > out of room in my basement. Can I store the stuff in the garage? > It is all new foundation only. Should I fear wax-moth? > Thanks, Glen Archer. > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > Article 24055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6E0D5E116AE86177.29A58039EEE19023.9EBC386986408484@lp.airnews.net> Subject: Re: Balling? Lines: 58 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <6U2I4.5912$8v5.393941@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.49.31 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955300482 12.72.49.31 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:14:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24055 If both were released, they will sort things out. You say you had a nuc. Was it queen-right?. A just about fail-proof way to re-queen is to remove 5 (or however many frames your nuc has) frames along with the queen from the hive and put then in a nuc. Now you still have the old queen as backup. The next day put the 5 frames from your other nuc with the new queen directly in the hive. There are lots of variations on this method but as long as you can introduce a laying queen that has been accepted in a nuc, your success is almost assured. One way of balancing a strong and weak hive is to swap their locations in the afternoon when foragers are out. The foragers from the strong hive will be returning to the weak hive and will be readily accepted. When it is time to re-queen the weak colony, use your nuc. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Jim Sharp" wrote in message news:6E0D5E116AE86177.29A58039EEE19023.9EBC386986408484@lp.airnews.net... > I tried requeening a large hive that was somewhat > testy and I really screwed up. I found (what luck!) > the old queen quickly and killed her and put the > new queen in her cage for bees to release. I also > thought I was banking another queen to put in a > weak colony that I didn't want mess with because > of the chilly weather. When I went to pull the cage > to retrieve the other queen, both were empty! > > I was curious, so I pulled a frame and found a small > ball of bees (about the size of a quarter) that I poked > at and caught a glimpse of a queen. I quickly put the > frame back in and closed up the hive. > > I've read that new queens are easily disturbed and > balled. If it happens what should we do? And the other > question could there be 2 queens loose in the hive? > Or was one probably killed by the bees or now both? > > This hive is really annoying and my ineptness doesn't > help. It is a strong hive in beginner apiary of 2 packages, > a nuc, and a very weak hive, so it's a bully with robbing > and pestering the others being a continual challenge. I > may combine the nuc with the weak hive or just requeen > the weakling and see how it goes. I'm in Texas and our > flow is just getting going. > > Jim > > > Article 24056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth Experience Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:11:14 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8cqrgm$qbq$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8clu7c$trr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdm02.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 955314518 27002 62.188.4.22 (9 Apr 2000 21:08:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2000 21:08:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24056 Waxmoths do have their parasites. There is a small Ichneumon that I often see in my workroom windows when I have stored combs inside. It does not seem to act fast enough or in sufficient numbers to be rated a likely control organism. You do not say which moths you are troubled by, but it sounds like the lesser. When the greater comes along - no problem deciding what to do with the combs! Martin., MK, UK. wrote in message ......Maybe > better yet is to find a small predator of the wax moth and release it in > a hive? > Thanks. > > southbee > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Storing new foundation. Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:19:54 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8cqrgo$qbq$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <01dcf111.8e9618ed@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdm02.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 955314520 27002 62.188.4.22 (9 Apr 2000 21:08:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 2000 21:08:40 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24057 Hi Glen, Yes, waxmoth will have a chew on foundation even if they can't grow properly on it. Better to store your new stuff outdoors with a good lid on it and a floor underneath. The cold discourages the waxmoths and even kills them if frosty. If a swarm moves in, just say thankyou. Storing new in same place as old is what spreads the pests from box to box. Don't be tempted to put boxes in plastic sacks - it just makes sure any moth you trap has no choice but eat what's in the bag. Martin, MK,UK. arch63 wrote in message news:01dcf111.8e9618ed@usw-ex0103-024.remarq.com... > I've been busy building hive bodies and frames etc.and am running > out of room in my basement. Can I store the stuff in the garage? > It is all new foundation only. Should I fear wax-moth? > Thanks, Glen Archer. > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > Article 24058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NH weather Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:03:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.1.5.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 955328586 207.1.5.101 (Sun, 09 Apr 2000 20:03:06 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 20:03:06 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24058 Sat 60+ degrees partly to mostly sunny with the afternoon wind gusts were reported up to 64 mph Now this was quite a site at the hive, the trees have just started popping and the pollen is rolling in. Sitting in front of the hive, 50 bees loaded landing, big wind, nobody around, calm for a second, 5o bees loaded. All afternoon, those girls should have been getting paid double time. Sun am pouring rain, buckets! noontime changed to snow. must be 30 degrees now. ear to the hives and the girls are back to shivering. don't like the weather in New England? wait a minute, it'll change.... Damon skep-tickle acres Sunapee NH Article 24059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38F14057.E283ED14@together.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:45:44 -0400 From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VT weather References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-146-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net X-Trace: 9 Apr 2000 22:47:33 -0500, dial-146-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Lines: 28 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-out.uswest.net!news.together.net!dial-146-tnt-btvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24059 Wasn't yesterday a beaut! Bees back to work after a week and a half of cold weather. Painting covers in my t-shirt. What a difference a day makes. Didn't get any rain tho. Just a foot of snow. Guess we'll get two mud seasons this year. Mike St. Albans, VT Damon Josz wrote: > Sat 60+ degrees partly to mostly sunny with the afternoon wind gusts were > reported up to 64 mph > > Now this was quite a site at the hive, the trees have just started popping > and the pollen is rolling in. > Sitting in front of the hive, 50 bees loaded landing, big wind, nobody > around, calm for a second, 5o bees loaded. All afternoon, those girls should > have been getting paid double time. > > Sun am pouring rain, buckets! noontime changed to snow. must be 30 degrees > now. ear to the hives and the girls are back to shivering. > > don't like the weather in New England? wait a minute, it'll change.... > Damon > skep-tickle acres > Sunapee NH Article 24060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: miel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drone comb method Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:52:55 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38F14207.C70A863E@ix.netcom.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.6e.e2.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 10 Apr 2000 02:55:57 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24060 Normand wrote: > Hi! I've been reading about varroa control using drone frames. > Now, I have a few frames deformed with extended cells covering most of the > area. > Could I use those frames or do I have to look for a supplier of those drone > frames? > Anybody else had success with this method? Pros? Cons? > Varroa floors look interesting too... > Just trying to avoid chemicals, Predator insects seem to like this method in > my garden, > makes you wonder sometimes what's best, chemicals or not? Normand - I used drone foundation, cut it to size to fit my "medium" sized frames; put two frames of this drone foundation in the brood box, on either side of the brood; came back 10 days later and the bees had torn the foundation up and carted it off somewhere....maybe I should have wired it in, but anyway, so far, I've not had success! Vivian Article 24061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Duragilt Foundation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:34:13 -0500 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.61 Message-ID: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 10 Apr 2000 02:28:38 -0400, 208.24.176.61 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24061 I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? Thank you Larry Article 24062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jeff C." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38E6BB9F.E386DCD9@deakin.edu.au> <20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com> Subject: Re: natural hive Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:37:34 +1000 Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.101.40.119 Message-ID: <38f19380@pink.one.net.au> X-Trace: 10 Apr 2000 18:40:32 +1000, 203.101.40.119 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!HSNX.atgi.net!newsxfer.interpacket.net!news.interpacket.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!pink.one.net.au!203.101.40.119 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24062 JMitc1014 wrote in message news:20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com... > Terramycin is not a chemical. TM is derived from a naturally occuring > substance. It's manufactured from fungi. This message is not meant to be personal. Please don't take it as such. I do tend to get a little annoyed by all this new-age chemical-free crap. It's all designed to play on peoples fear of chemicals whether or not such fear is justified. So, that having been said, sorry to be pedantic JMitc, but Terramycin IS, in fact, a chemical. There seems to be this fallacy (due in part to the new-age chemical-free crap mentioned above) that anything that comes from a natural source is not a chemical and is not dangerous. This is bullshit. Not all chemicals have to come from a human, industrial manufacturing process. While the dictionary definition of chemical, used as a noun, is: chemical (kem'i k'l) -n. any substance used in or obtained by a chemical process the chemical process can be (and is usually far more likely to be) a natural chemical process, rather than an industrial one. I guess most people would refer to it as biochemical rather than chemical, but this does not change the fact that the product of this process is itself a chemical. Biochemical just describes more closely the 'source' of the chemical process as being biological in nature. To further put a dampener on your parade, and while I'm on the case, Terramycin is not strictly speaking 'MANUFACTURED FROM' a fungi. I would have said "isolated from". The term manufactured implies, to be made by machinery or in a way regarded as being mechanical. While it may be the case that Pfizer (holder of USA Patent 2,516,080) could synthesis the drug, I doubt that they would. And while there will undoubtedly be some mechanical process used in the production of purified terramycin, I would suggest that 'manufactured from a fungi' is not the way production of terramycin should be described. For reference, Terramycin or 4-(dimethylamino)-1,4,4a,5,5a,6,11,12a-octahydro-3,5,6,10,12,12a-hexahydroxy -6-methyl-1,11-dioxo-2-naphthacenecarboxamide is an antibiotic isolated from the actinomycete, Streptomyces rimosus. Kind regards and I hope this adds to the realisation that chemicals are all around us, not just out of bottles sold by large nasty multinationals. Jeff Article 24063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:15:28 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <38f1b7b0.56153672@news1.radix.net> References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24063 On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:34:13 -0500, "Larry W" wrote: >I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm >starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > >Thank you > >Larry > > No pros, lots of cons. Greg the beekeep Article 24064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Small radial extractors -- effective? Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:16:56 -0500 Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.61 Message-ID: <38f17089_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 10 Apr 2000 02:11:21 -0400, 208.24.176.61 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24064 I bought that extractor from Peter 2 years ago and I am still using it. If you would like pictures of it email me. The gears are metal. I made some wire baskets to hold the frames better but other than that its still working great. I only have 2 hives though. Larry "Peter Amschel" wrote in message news:MPG.133f2aba6c35ece8989ab6@news.pe.net... > It was pretty durable and sturdy. I had 2 colonies with 4 full > sized hive bodies in each colony. > > In article , > wooten@netdoor.com says... > > I've got to ask if the extractor was built well enough to be worth buying > > and would it be useable for up to 10 hives. Have been looking at it in > > Dadant cat Were the gears metal or what? > > "Peter Amschel" wrote in message > > news:MPG.133ea937ff9e131989ab4@news.pe.net... > > > I had a plastic, hand cranked extractor. It was made in China, > > > ordered through Dadant. It cost about $100. It would spin two > > > frames at a time. The frames were set up facing the walls of the > > > extractor, not diagonal to the walls (radial?), so just with a > > > hand crank it was possible to put a lot of centrifugal force on > > > the frames and empty the cells and sometimes some of the comb > > > itself would be spun off the frame. My boys and I almost had to > > > go into business those years when I started out with Langstroth > > > frames, but now I am more of a leisure time beekeeper with my top > > > bar hive, so I sold my two-frame hand-cranked-extractor. > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <38D4F755.20236B37@hotmail.com>, jwgbee@hotmail.com > > > says... > > > > Given that, the question is, do any others on the newsgroup find small > > > > radials effective? > > > > > > > > > > Article 24065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Banking queens Message-ID: <38f1d138.348932921@news.usenetserver.com> References: <8cllf5$kh0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <38EE92E2.81DA4314@together.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 37 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:02:35 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:04:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24065 Mike Do you do this on top of a queen right colony or a queenless colony? Dave On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 22:01:06 -0400, Michael Palmer wrote: >When I bank queens, I use a "7-wire" type excluder. Pick a strong colony >with the cluster in the top box. Remove the inner cover, and replace it >with the excluder. Place the queen cages face down on the excluder. The >wooden slats of the "7-wire" excluder maintain a space between the wires >and the cage. Cover the excluder and cages with a cloth (I use a wool >one). Next place a rim (shallow super) on the excluder. Then the inner and >outer cover. The bees will take care of the queens. I've kept queens for >months this way. Doesn't help their laying capabilities any tho'. Mike > >repbees@my-deja.com wrote: > >> I recently purchased several extra queens to be used to requeen some >> hives. I am presently faced with the problem of possibly having to >> delay the requeening for up to a couple or three weeks. Have any of >> you "Banked" queens in some manner- preferably in the shipping cages? >> I was wondering how long I might be able to keep them in a cool-not >> cold- quiet place by feeding them a drop or two of syrup a few times a >> day. I will certainly appreciate any suggestions anyone may have. >> >> repbees >> >> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> Before you buy. > > > Article 24066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: liquid smoke Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:24:13 -0500 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.61 Message-ID: <38f1723e_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 10 Apr 2000 02:18:38 -0400, 208.24.176.61 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24066 Just what is liquid smoke? Is it really a liquid that smokes or just a scent you spray? How do you apply it? Is it the same as what they sell for barbecue in the grocery? Thanks Larry Article 24067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 25 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:42:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955384920 12.72.51.117 (Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:42:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:42:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24067 For the life of me, I can't figure out why this stuff is still on the market other than being included in most beginner "everything-you-need" outfits. Worthless as mammaries on a male bovine. If you want durability, use plastic. It will hold up well in the extractor you bought from Peter. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Larry W" wrote in message news:38f17496_2@news.vic.com... > I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm > starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > > Thank you > > Larry > > Article 24068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 10 Apr 2000 22:19:41 GMT References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000410181941.03464.00000676@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24068 >I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm >starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > >Thank you > >Larry > > > > > Bees don't like plastic. If you have a few hives you're much better off sticking to Pure beeswax foundation. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: liquid smoke Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 10 Apr 2000 22:23:10 GMT References: <38f1723e_2@news.vic.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000410182310.03464.00000677@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24069 >Just what is liquid smoke? Is it really a liquid that smokes or just a scent >you spray? How do you apply it? >Is it the same as what they sell for barbecue in the grocery? > >Thanks > >Larry As far as I can tell its something the bees drink just before stinging the hell out of you. I can't say I would try it again. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Apr 2000 22:22:13 GMT References: <38F2182D.9ADB5D0E@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000410182213.29196.00000729@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24070 My personal opinion of duragilt is leave it in the supply house and use permadent, rite cell or pierco. Besides peeling and staying bald it has these sharp metal strips that make a nasty cut. It must be the cheapest thing available for beginner kits. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38F2182D.9ADB5D0E@midwest.net> <20000410182213.29196.00000729@ng-cd1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:10:00 -0500 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.94 Message-ID: <38f26c03_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 10 Apr 2000 20:04:19 -0400, 208.24.176.94 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!hub.org!hub.org!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.vic.com!208.24.176.94 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24071 Ok You convinced me I ordered what I have already beeswax wire foundation. Thank you all Larry "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20000410182213.29196.00000729@ng-cd1.aol.com... > My personal opinion of duragilt is leave it in the supply house and use > permadent, rite cell or pierco. > Besides peeling and staying bald it has these sharp metal strips that make a > nasty cut. > It must be the cheapest thing available for beginner kits. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 24072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: high voltage Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:38:04 +0100 Message-ID: <$4rekKAMfl84EwNG@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <8cnp0h$25e$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955406845 nnrp-01:18579 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 15 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24072 In article <8cnp0h$25e$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, Alan/FreddySchultz/Chavarria writes >I have also heard of problems due to high voltage, possible to the >electro-magnetic fields....when a strong magnet is placed on a hive the bees >loose all orientation and build their combs in a hap-hazzard fashion...I >assume that electro-mag. fields influence the hive in a similiar fashon.... I was taught by police I was myself teaching that if "I ass-u-me" I make an ass out of you and me. Have you tested the "when ..."? If it is true, it's a bit like comparing a.c. and d.c. The average magnetic field of a.c. is zero. Read Murray MacGregor's post recently, where he sites hives under *very* high voltage transmission lines, although inside the pylon. -- James Kilty Article 24073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sttls1.wa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: zarman@hotmail.com (Zarman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee's Wax wanted Message-ID: Organization: Fishnet X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Lines: 21 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:22:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.9.181.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sttls1.wa.home.com 955412576 24.9.181.105 (Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:22:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:22:56 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24073 I am looking for a good source of Bee's Wax I don't need the top quality stuff... I don't know very much about this topic but I live in Salem Oregon and I know that there are alot of Bees around here and alot of farmers. Is Bee Keeping ( starting) very hard? Is it very expensive? Brian -- Fish Net Web Hosting Services http://www.fnhosting.net For more info on web hosting services send a blank E-Mail to info@fnhosting.net or visit our Web site @ http://www.fnhosting.net Article 24074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:13:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 57 Message-ID: <8ctncq$5f1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> <8cj4dc$7dq$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-40.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 955408602 5601 62.136.23.40 (10 Apr 2000 23:16:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2000 23:16:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24074 Further to my post (below) there is an excellent website published by the Swiss Dairy Institute which covers treatment with thymol and oxalic acid (amongst other things): http://www.apis.admin.ch/ There is now some debate about the best concentration for oxalic acid - the latest recommendation is 45g to 1 litre of syrup, but I have not had any problems with 60g. (Cost about 2p per hive!). I prefer to use thymol crystals rather than all these new thymol based treatments - it seems to be very effective, simple to use and is very cheap! (about 32p per hive). Saturday was the first day this year that I have been able to get around the apiaries when the weather was good and I managed to look at about 70 hives; there were 4 losses (probably failed queens given the bad spring last year - I did not have time to look in detail as I needed to get supers on) and just a few weaker colonies - the rest looked better than I have seen them for several years. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8cj4dc$7dq$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > Treatment is based on a study reported from Spain in BeeBiz about three > years ago. > > They applied thymol crystals in various ways and doses. The best results > were obtained using 8g of powdered thymol placed on a watch glass over the > brood frames. Treatment was repeated weekly for four weeks. > > I use old honey jar lids and treat immediately the honey crop is removed in > August when the thymol evaporates readily. This is followed by a drip > treatment of oxalic acid (60g oxalic, 300g sugar, 1 litre water - 5ml per > seam of bees) in November to give a final clean up for winter (NB beware - > oxalic acid is highly poisonous and the dust must not be inhaled). > > I monitor about 25% of my hives and if mite levels are high in the spring I > give a treatment with thymol before adding supers. > > Thymol is very strongly anti-fungal and its effect on chalkbrood seems to be > a beneficial side-effect. > > Before Adam takes me to task, I have to say that I have not had time to do > any scientifically controlled tests - but have based my methods on what seem > to me from my researches to be sound principles. I am strongly against > polluting my hives with flumethrin/fluvalinate/amitraz etc and have now > survived 3 winters with varroa. Crops are excellent (above local averages) > but it is, of course, early days yet. Article 24075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!isdnet!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Steve Watkins" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:30:47 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.40.135 X-Complaints-To: abuse@virgin.net X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 955409370 62.252.40.135 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:29:30 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:29:30 BST Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24075 I am also a Shropshire beekeeper and launch the same query about a UK newsgroup. I am attending the National at Stoneleigh this week and I am hoping someone there will know. Alternatively John Phipps (BK Quarterly Editor) may know. Steve. Article 24076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> <20000410181941.03464.00000676@ng-fu1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 25 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:32:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955413160 12.72.50.221 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:32:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:32:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24076 I'll go out and tell the colony that drew 7 mediums of Pierco last year and produced a harvest of over 240 lbs with a 2 yr old queen. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20000410181941.03464.00000676@ng-fu1.news.cs.com... > > Bees don't like plastic. If you have a few hives you're much better off > sticking to Pure beeswax foundation. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: natural hive Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:58:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8csc4f$isj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38E6BB9F.E386DCD9@deakin.edu.au> <20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com> <38f19380@pink.one.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.197.164 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 10 10:58:28 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.197.164 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24077 In article <38f19380@pink.one.net.au>, "Jeff C." wrote: > JMitc1014 wrote in message > news:20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com... > > Terramycin is not a chemical. TM is derived from a naturally occuring > > substance. It's manufactured from fungi. > .... > Kind regards and I hope this adds to the realisation that chemicals are all > around us, not just out of bottles sold by large nasty multinationals. > > Jeff > Wow, Jeff!! Very informative post. Thanks. I was thinking of answering Al's question by saying I do not believe it is possible to maintain beehives without some chemicals. The fact that almost all of the once plentiful feral hives are now gone tells us that. If it were not for beekeepers and their chemicals their would be very few bees in the world, almost none in the USA. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp2.giganews.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:54:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8csfdv$m87$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.83.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 10 11:54:44 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.83.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24078 In article <38f17496_2@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" wrote: > I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm > starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > > Thank you > > Larry > > I happen to use Duragilt foundation and can hopefully answer your question. Here goes: Pro: Duragilt is made by coating a thin plastic sheet with beeswax on both sides and crimping the cell bases into it. This combination provides a very strong foundation to survive the pressures of repeated extraction (centrifugal force while spinning a frame full of honey). They also come with 2 round holes (at the 2 lower corners of the frame) to provide a passage way for the bees to travel across the set of frames. The key here is durability. Con: The plastic sheet has a very smooth and shiny face so that if any foundation gets peeled off the plastic, there is little hope that the bees will come back to that area and build comb. This "bald" area sort of becomes a "non-stick" surface that the bees will not rebuild. I hope that this will help you. Good Luck, Paul B Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!triton.skycache.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Message-ID: <38f1d747.350483234@news.usenetserver.com> References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 38 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:33:58 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:35:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24079 Last year while helping with a beginners beekeeping class, when we were building their starter frames, one of the older beekeepers was upset that they got duraguilt for beginners. About a month later, I read an article in ABJ which the author claimed the same thing that beginners shouldn't use it. Having a case of both duraguilt and crimp wire to use, I did an experiment. I started 4 hives from 4 frame nucs, 1-1 syrup and new foundation Two with duraguilt and 2 with crimpwire. After the first week, more frames of crimpwire were pulled. However all 4 hives wore pulling foundation. After the second week, the duraguilt had nearly caught up with the crimp wire and by the end of their first month all foundatation of both types was pulled ( I did rotate frames into the center and each hive had to deep brood boxes). I did the same thing with supers .. adding supers of duraguilt foundation to 2 hives and supers of crimp wire to the other 2. Same results .. although the crimp wire seems to get an early lead, after a short while, it doesn't really matter to the bees. These were Nebraska bees, so your mileage may vary Dave On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:34:13 -0500, "Larry W" wrote: >I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm >starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > >Thank you > >Larry > > Article 24080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:42:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <8ctsdt$7sd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <8bbshc$ag1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.253 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 11 00:42:39 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.253 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24080 I haven't checked in this forum for a bit and we're presented now with one of the most active debates I can ever recall! If you're wondering what killed your bees look for honey. I they have honey then they probably didn't starve. Check the litter on the bottom board. Look HARD! I just lost 13 of 19 the first in 5 years.I've only lost 3 hives in the previous 4 years. Apistan went in the Fall after we harvested. The bottom boards are covered with mites anywhere from dozens to hundreds. The strips have seen their time come at least for this lineage of mites. So i'll do what I can to keep bees as best I can and if that means toxics so be it. I believe that research will prevail. Hopefully it will mean a better bee and a nontoxic safe (like bacteria) cure. I have a hard time believing someone is having 'wild' bees drop in their dead hives. Study your location. Someone elses bees are more than likely swarming and finding your boxes quite a find. Happens here fairly often. If you live within one or two swarm hops of a hobbiest or commercial enterprise your wild bees will have mites. there are so few wild bees left the only ones that exist are those in such remote areas they have succesfully avoided contact or range sharing of the bees that have mites. The last reported number I remember was from tv news last year that put the wild bee population as about 90% dead. If they have mites, they will die. period. It might be two winters, but I've seen mites swell in just one summer to phenomenal levels in a single hive. So if you're planning on not medicating plan on watching them turn to bird feed. It's one of those 'circle of life' kind of things. Perhaps we should be breeding Asian bees they've been coexisting with th e mites for quite a time. That's evolution in the works just a few hundred years ahead of ours. Does anyone know if Argentina/China/Brazil has the same level of trouble with the varroa mites? I can bet given the wonderful labor pool and high standard of living the beekeepers enjoy there that on the 45th day of every Checkmited hive in the country has there medication removed with not a chance if it getting in our foreign honey eh? Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:06:37 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <38F2182D.9ADB5D0E@midwest.net> References: <38f17496_2@news.vic.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24081 Larry W wrote: > > I was thinking of using some Duragilt foundation for a new split I'm > starting, for both brood and super. Any pros or cons? > > Thank you > > Larry I can't speak for or against Duragilt, but plenty of others seem to have an opinion. I have used Rite-Cell plastic foundation from Mann Lake for brood and supers without any problems whatsoever. If the comb is damaged, it can be scraped off down to the plastic. Since the cell imprint is in the plastic, not a wax coating, the bees have something on which to rebuild. A light spray of wax seems to make the new foundation more inviting to the bees. I've learned a lot about Duragilt from this thread. From what I've read I wouldn't mess with it. AL Article 24082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I Need a swarm Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:00:54 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 4 Message-ID: <38F24106.37BDCE44@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 955400745 22987 129.101.81.41 (10 Apr 2000 21:05:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Apr 2000 21:05:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24082 I need a swarm. I live in Moscow ID- south of Spokane WA -Matthew Article 24083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bylaws Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:38:12 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 955467211 204.244.87.49 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:33:31 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 08:33:31 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24083 My neighbors want to start a new bylaw against beekeeping. They are in the process with a councillor with a few letters of complaint because they swarmed on their bushes last spring. I was told that a woman died in Australia trying to protect her kid against a swarm. Is there anybody who has had experience appealing to their council on that matter? I would appreciate any help. Thank you Normand Pemberton BC Article 24084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Subject: Moving hives Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:12:50 +0100 Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: netway-nhs.ukcore.bt.net 195.99.125.202 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa03 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24084 A near neighbour (half mile) has to move house but will have a gap between selling and buying that makes it impossible for him to take his bees with him and he is going to start afresh. Whilst we can rehive the bees in my garden I am afraid that the foragers will return to the site of the old hive and weaken the hive at it's new site. Any tips on how to make the move as successful as possible? Geoff Article 24085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38f4b196.1760160@news.earthlink.net> References: <38F2182D.9ADB5D0E@midwest.net> <20000410182213.29196.00000729@ng-cd1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:05:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.205.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955476323 38.27.205.42 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:05:23 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:05:23 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24085 Top 10 reasons to use Duragilt: 1) Alot of beekeepers hold onto what they start with. 2) You're the wholeseller whom still has some on the back shelf. 3) Better than mud. 4) You only plan on beekeeping for 3 months then quitting for good. 5) You just started working for Dadant and want to impress the boss. 6) You just started working for MannLake and just wanted to impress the boss - with superior product testing. ..... Ok, I could only think of six. Anybody else? ..... Until they were melted out and replaced by 'snapping in' new plastic foundation, I could have shown you lots of Duragilt frames chewed down to the smooth plastic film. Pure wax foundation? Bees will draw it out faster than anything you can give them but bees will do what they want with it. With plastic foundation mistakes (burr comb, parallel comb, etc) are covered by scratching it down. Not to mention blown out foundation when you extract because there's insufficient strength in pure wax foundation. Great for cut comb, but why would you want to willingly step back 100 years in beekeeping? Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA Article 24086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!news!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F37EB9.BE5CD26F@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thom_fried SPAMt astes good_mbrad"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving hives References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:37:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp27.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:37:06 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24086 The foragers will return to the original site. Try moving to a farm or similar spot at least 2 miles from the original and eventual. Farmers at this time of year are more than happy to receive a hive while crops bloom. Your local extension agent or SS Farm store, feed store etc. usually has a bulletin Bd. A notice stating free bees will usually grab attention. 6 weeks between moves should do it. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA new_user@email.msn.com wrote: > > A near neighbour (half mile) has to move house but will have a gap between > selling and buying that makes it impossible for him to take his bees with > him and he is going to start afresh. Whilst we can rehive the bees in my > garden I am afraid that the foragers will return to the site of the old hive > and weaken the hive at it's new site. Any tips on how to make the move as > successful as possible? > Geoff Article 24087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Need a swarm Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38f5ba99.4067668@news.earthlink.net> References: <38F24106.37BDCE44@uidaho.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:16:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.205.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955476971 38.27.205.42 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:16:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:16:11 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24087 CALL local pesticide outfits! Respectible businesses are extremely happy to send all bee business your way. Just try to return the favor with bee problems you can't cure, or the notorious 'bee-like' calls you get regarding wasps and yellow jackets. Tell them how far you're willing to travel and be prepared to jump in your car (with gear ready!) within 15-30 minutes of the call. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA. On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:00:54 -0700, Matthew Pollard wrote: >I need a swarm. I live in Moscow ID- south of Spokane WA >-Matthew > > Article 24088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F37F1E.4538B2FF@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thom_fried SPAMt astes good_mbrad"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bylaws References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:38:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp27.ts1-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:38:47 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24088 Quickly call your local inspector, University Entomology department and enlist their help. Thom Bradley Chesapeake, VA Normand wrote: > > My neighbors want to start a new bylaw against beekeeping. > They are in the process with a councillor with a few letters of complaint > because they swarmed on their bushes last spring. > I was told that a woman died in Australia trying to protect her kid against > a swarm. > Is there anybody who has had experience appealing to their council on that > matter? > I would appreciate any help. > Thank you > Normand > Pemberton BC Article 24089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.online.be!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Bullfrogs X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <38F38621.2E8E586@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:08:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24089 Group, Just installed my first three packages over the weekend. The hives are located on the dam of a small pond. I noticed as a friend and myself were doing the installation that this pond is LOADED with bullfrogs. I'm having visions of frogs gathered around the entrance of my hives making a meal of my bees even as I write this. Has anyone had any experiences with bullfrogs they would care to share? Should I be worried? Thanks, -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 24090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bullfrogs Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Apr 2000 21:13:32 GMT References: <38F38621.2E8E586@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000411171332.23349.00000335@nso-cq.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24090 In article <38F38621.2E8E586@nospam.boeing.com>, "Billy Y. Smart II" writes: > >Just installed my first three packages over the weekend. The hives are >located on the dam of a small pond. I noticed as a friend and myself >were doing the installation that this pond is LOADED with bullfrogs. I'm >having visions of frogs gathered around the entrance of my hives making >a meal of my bees even as I write this. Has anyone had any experiences >with bullfrogs they would care to share? Should I be worried? > Here are three excellent reasons the Frogs should be worried; ((((TRY THIS))) BATTER FRIED FROG LEGS 1 egg, beaten 1/2 tsp. salt 2 lbs. frog legs 1/2 c. cornmeal 1/8 tsp. pepper 1/2 c. cooking oil Mix the egg, corn meal, salt and pepper together to form a batter. Dip the frog legs into the batter, then fry in the oil in a large heavy skillet for 25 minutes, turning so they brown evenly on all sides. FROG LEG STEW WITH A KICK 3 lb. frog legs 1 garlic, chopped fine 1 onion, chopped fine 1/8 tsp. thyme 1/8 tsp. cayenne pepper 2 cans tomato puree 6-8 cans water 1/2 tbsp. basil 1/8 tsp. sea salt 2 tbsp. olive oil Break the frog legs apart and saute in olive oil until almost cooked, then allow to cool. Add them to the other ingredients which have been simmering together and cook 1 1/2 to 2 hours. Serve over rice or pasta. FROG LEGS 10-12 frog legs 4 tbsp. salt 3 pt. water Pepper to taste 1 c. flour 1 cube butter 1/2 c. light cooking oil 1 lg. chopped onion 1 sm. can sliced mushrooms, drained 1 can clam chowder soup 3 tbsp. white wine 1/4 c. sour cream Clean and skin legs. Mix salt and water. Soak 2 hours or longer. Add pepper. Roll in flour. In skillet, heat butter and oil. Brown legs quickly, about 5 minutes on each side. Pour off drippings and place legs in baking dish. In same skillet, saute onion and mushrooms. Add soup, wine, and sour cream. Mix well. Pour over frog legs. Bake at 250 degrees for 30 minutes. Article 24091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I Need a swarm Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Apr 2000 21:07:04 GMT References: <38f5ba99.4067668@news.earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000411170704.21764.00000308@nso-cp.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24091 In article <38f5ba99.4067668@news.earthlink.net>, qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) writes: > >CALL local pesticide outfits! Respectible businesses are extremely >happy to send all bee business your way. Just try to return the favor >with bee problems you can't cure, or the notorious 'bee-like' calls >you get regarding wasps and yellow jackets. > A note on the bulletin board at the EMR dispatch location is helpful too, often this is a firehouse. You would be amazed at the number of "emergency" bee calls they get. Article 24092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!bignews.mediaways.net!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!easynet-melon!easynet-uk!easynet.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: They Swarmed Message-ID: <955407122@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 23:32:10 +0100 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 8d74afa5 REPLY: 240:44/0 7d3f8876 PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg(145) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 955431126 172 194.112.32.19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24092 Destroying queen cells is not a helpful method of swarm reduction. At best it buys you a little time. If you find queen cells at this time of year they will probably swarm so the best thing to do is to do it to them before they do it to you. Make an artificial swarm by any of the many methods described in the books and, if you do not want increase, re-unite them when the new queen is laying well. She will probably depose her mother after a while. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 24093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A.Poluektov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> <8cj4dc$7dq$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8ctncq$5f1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:12:58 +0400 Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip39.parma.ru Message-ID: <38f30368@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.parma.ru X-Trace: 11 Apr 2000 14:51:27 +0400, ns.parma.ru Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-stock.gip.net!news-dc.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.rosprint.net!news.parma.ru!ip39.parma.ru Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24093 Thank Peter I have yet two questions: 1. You treated with thimol crystals 4 times? It is a lot of labour. 2. You spraying or trickling oxalic acid? Andrey >Further to my post (below) there is an excellent website published by the >Swiss Dairy Institute which covers treatment with thymol and oxalic acid >(amongst other things): > >http://www.apis.admin.ch/ > >There is now some debate about the best concentration for oxalic acid - the >latest recommendation is 45g to 1 litre of syrup, but I have not had any >problems with 60g. (Cost about 2p per hive!). > >I prefer to use thymol crystals rather than all these new thymol based >treatments - it seems to be very effective, simple to use and is very cheap! >(about 32p per hive). > Article 24094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:32:43 +0100 Message-ID: <4We$$LAbY784EwO5@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955496322 nnrp-14:25255 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 24 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24094 In article , Steve Watkins writes > >I am also a Shropshire beekeeper and launch the same query about a UK >newsgroup. I am attending the National at Stoneleigh this week and I am >hoping someone there will know. Alternatively John Phipps (BK Quarterly >Editor) may know. > >Steve. Try http://www.kentbee.com for a newsgroup and if you are interested in the Bee Improvement and Bee Breeders Association, of which I am a member, try http://www.bibba.com as we have our own *members* discussion group. I wonder if navigating from kentbee might get you others. I have not been looking myself but the number of UK sites, mostly local associations is increasing. Also try Thorne's site http://www.thorne.co.uk for links. Personally I find the s.a.b group fine. I contribute as I feel, especially if someone is from UK and also I find it hard to control my compulsion to stick my two pennyworth in to lots of threads. It is too addictive! -- James Kilty Article 24095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarms/nucs Message-ID: <38f3bae0.25151854@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:59:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 955497603 216.80.168.196 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:00:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:00:03 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24095 I have had three swarms the last two weeks. I fed sugar water this must have really done the trick for build up. I had to put this last swarm in brushy Mt. swarm trap the long one. I have ordered more equipment. How do I go about transferring to new hive when I get it setup? Will these swarms produce much honey? The trees here have just started coming out most still a couple of weeks off. Also how many supers will the old hive likley use this year? Thanks for the responses Article 24096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bylaws Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:49:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955500586 4.33.104.63 (Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:49:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:49:46 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24096 "Normand" wrote: >My neighbors want to start a new bylaw against beekeeping.... >Is there anybody who has had experience appealing > to their council on that matter? Normand, Beekeepers in some communities have responded by proposing an ordinance that is more reasonable than a complete beekeeping ban. It was successful here in a community near Dallas, Texas. It was also be worked in Ohio by Kim Flottum, but I do know the result. American Bee Journal or Bee Culture published a model beekeeping ordinance a few years ago (anyone have that reference?). Some elements of a model ordinance can be found at: http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/IPM/news/pestalrt/vol14/Pest14-10.html#anchor42687 also interesting, a community legalizing beekeeping: http://vh30012.vh3.infi.net/news/news1019d.htm -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 24097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 12 Apr 2000 03:32:30 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24097 >I'll go out and tell the colony that drew 7 mediums of Pierco last year and >produced a harvest of over 240 lbs with a 2 yr old queen. > >- I'll show you the thousand frames or so I inherited from another beekeeper. My mentor actually had splits that swarmed rather than drawing out the plastic. Maybe it works real good with one hive when you have all the time in the world, but with 3500 the reality is...Bees don't like plastic. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almond Honey Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:52:47 -0500 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.61 Message-ID: <38f3ffd6_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 12 Apr 2000 00:47:18 -0400, 208.24.176.61 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.61 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24098 Does anybody know where I can buy a small quantity of Almond honey? Thanks Larry Article 24099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:47:33 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.37.7.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 955518344 203.37.7.78 (Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:45:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:45:44 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:45:44 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24099 i think i'd be a little more careful with definitive statements such as "but with 3500 the reality is...Bees don't like plastic", bees will draw and fill plastic foundation. it depends very much on preparation, colour and pattern -- Barry Metz Robert Williamson wrote in message news:20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com... > >I'll go out and tell the colony that drew 7 mediums of Pierco last year and > >produced a harvest of over 240 lbs with a 2 yr old queen. > > > >- > > I'll show you the thousand frames or so I inherited from another beekeeper. My > mentor actually had splits that swarmed rather than drawing out the plastic. > Maybe it works real good with one hive when you have all the time in the world, > but with 3500 the reality is...Bees don't like plastic. > > > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paul_bilodeau@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:59:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8d1oee$9g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.83.146 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 12 11:59:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.222.83.146 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaul_bilodeau Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24100 In article , "Barry Metz" wrote: > i think i'd be a little more careful with definitive statements such as "but > with 3500 the reality is...Bees don't like plastic", bees will draw and fill > plastic foundation. it depends very much on preparation, colour and pattern > > -- > Barry Metz > Robert Williamson wrote in message > news:20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com... > > >I'll go out and tell the colony that drew 7 mediums of Pierco last year > and > > >produced a harvest of over 240 lbs with a 2 yr old queen. I agree with Barry and George... I had a single hive produce 105 pounds of honey during a drought and all of it was on Duragilt. I guess I'll need to tell the bees that they didn't really do what they did. I think the "REAL" answer here is that since there are several types of foundation available AND that Duragilt is still available and sells, the beekeeper has a choice to make and probably should use what works best for him/her. One thing that seems surprizing to me is the comments about how bad Duragilt is and that bees won't work on plastic, but... all the newest frames are made out of more and more plastic. WOuldn't you think that we're going in the wrong direction??? Good Luck, Paul B. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!demos!px.f1.ru!not-for-mail From: "ïðë-íáû" Newsgroups: relcom.auto,relcom.commerce.cars,relcom.commerce.construction,relcom.commerce.food,relcom.commerce.machinery,relcom.commerce.transport,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,ukr.commerce.food,ukr.commerce.machinery Subject: ëÕÌØÔÉ×ÁÔÏÒÙ ëððû-6. !!!! 7 (óåíø ) !!!!!!!! ÏÐÅÒÁÃÉÊ ÏÂÒÁÂÏÔËÉ ÐÏÞ×Ù ÚÁ ÏÄÉÎ ÐÒÏÈÏÄ ÐÏ ÐÏÌÀ !!!!!!!!!!!! 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Come by at http://www.buffalocreekhoney.com Article 24103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarms/nucs Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <12429-38F4B383-26@storefull-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <38f3bae0.25151854@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAyBYoVLj5aAOm0y7RmnsahAVf2ZICFQCWGtje8qCYQ9B3iSRYCwd2Yfr7Vw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24103 A little more information may help others respond. For example: Where are you located (what are your nectar flows likely to be over the spring/summer)? How many hives do you want to end up with? Are you doing anything to prevent furhter swarming? What is the size of your current hive(s)? ------------------------------------------------------------ To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon2.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 209.244.88.145 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Antique Smoker on Ebay Lines: 12 From: eanglin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0906b30e.3e96ec3f@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com> Bytes: 377 X-Wren-Trace: eLyZsbCp7qTv/aaztfWzpqyqqaqZof2itr/9vLql5a7j47Lv5qjn6ujz6e3n Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:30:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.45 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon2 955563962 10.0.2.45 (Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:26:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:26:02 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24104 An antique, cone shaped smoker is up for auction on ebay- thought some of you might be interested. (No I am not the seller!) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=303748282 Item # 30374828 Ellen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 24105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom in Honey Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:23:21 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 29 Message-ID: <389b5a27.433938@news.freeserve.net> References: <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com> <38954e04.775376@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.132.217 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 955567825 1NNUCNF1G84D9C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24105 On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:59:45 GMT, boothmus@pavilion.co.uk (Booth Museum of Natural History) wrote: Interesting. Your only just down the road from me. I am over in Worthing. To continue on from your message. Has it been confirmed that they actually use venom as I thought (I am fairly new to this) that they added enzmes via their honey stomoach? If they do add a drop of venom to each cell of sealed honey then it seems to contradict some other claim I have read. This says that the bee has something like .3mg of venom in its venom sac but that this is not replenished if used. Clearly to add venom to every cell it would need regenerate its venom supply? I am not disagreeing, just wondering which if any is true? Thanks >and before each comb-cell is sealed up the bee >injects a drop ofacid from her sting, and so gives to the honey an >aseptic property. that is why it is so good for sore throuats or >chafed skins.' Quote provided by Gerald Legg >Booth Museum >Brighton >(and beekeeper) Article 24106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:45:23 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p62.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955570864 2742 203.96.192.62 (12 Apr 2000 20:21:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 20:21:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24106 Greetings All The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our major ports, the Beekeepers assoc. is asking the hard questions of border control regarding how this has happened when we have been historically free from Varoa mite. It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years and we are reeeeeally very annoyed about this, mainly because in the past decade our NZ border controls at the ports have become so slack. People have been finding snakes and all sorts of bugs coming into this country inside containers, which indicates our border controls are not being careful enough and the controls aren't being adhered to in the appropriate manner. Historically this was never the case. One of the properties where Varroa was found is a commercial apiary, so this is devastating for the apiarist ... and those involved in the industry. I think, initially at least, the action they are taking is to destroy all hives where the mites are being found .... an area from North of Auckalnd to South of Hamilton has been quaranteened and no bees are to be move in or out of that area .. we are included in that area... for us this is not as devastating sa it might be for others, we only have a total of 10 hives at 2 different locations..... it will still be devastating though if we are forced to destroy our hives... i've inadvertently killed bees when removing comb etc and that is bad enough. I've never paid much attention to the varroa mite threads in this ng, as it was not applicable to our situation, now i am forced to seek our as much information as possble. It would be good to have as much information about varroa mite as possible, and i would appreciate any good websites about this pest and control measures. How do you overseas beekeepers control or cope with the pest? Do you destroy all hives? also i was reading a British book wish recommended a certain pesticide strip to be hung between the frames. The book also spoke of a herbal essence which could be attachedto sticky paper and hung between the frames, non-harmful to bees but repellent to the mite, it was a herb i never heard of and as far as i know is not grown here... I am away from my bookshelf at the moment but if anyone is interested I could post it here when I've recovered the name of the plant... does anyone know of other possible natural measures that repel the varroa mite? .. might sound a bit alternative and strange but at this stage I'm interested in _all_ avenues and those least harmful to the bees many thanks and much despair aroha mai carman NZ Article 24107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Venom in Honey Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:24:36 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8d2rap$tig$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000109181214.27085.00001295@ng-bg1.aol.com> <38954e04.775376@news.pavilion.net> <389b5a27.433938@news.freeserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-211.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 955576473 30288 62.136.2.211 (12 Apr 2000 21:54:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 21:54:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24107 Is it not amazing that these old myths are still being quoted? You are correct - they do add enzymes. Steve Newport wrote in message news:389b5a27.433938@news.freeserve.net... > On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:59:45 GMT, boothmus@pavilion.co.uk (Booth > Museum of Natural History) wrote: > > Interesting. Your only just down the road from me. I am over in > Worthing. > > To continue on from your message. Has it been confirmed that they > actually use venom as I thought (I am fairly new to this) that they > added enzmes via their honey stomoach? > > >and before each comb-cell is sealed up the bee > >injects a drop ofacid from her sting, and so gives to the honey an > >aseptic property. that is why it is so good for sore throuats or > >chafed skins.' > Quote provided by > Gerald Legg > >Booth Museum > >Brighton > >(and beekeeper) Article 24108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:35:08 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8d2rar$tig$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> <8cj4dc$7dq$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8ctncq$5f1$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <38f30368@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-211.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 955576475 30288 62.136.2.211 (12 Apr 2000 21:54:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 21:54:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24108 Thymol is very quick and easy to use - I put an old honey jar lid on the queen excluder (I always knew that I would find a use for the lids when my customers return jars to me!) and simply add 8g - about a teaspoonful - of thymol each week. I do not cover this, or put the thymol in any sort of bag. Trickling the oxalic - I do not want to risk spraying as this seems to be a considerable health risk to me! I do not want to have to work in a special mask. Trickling requires only rubber gloves and a suitable syringe to dispense the syrup; again, this is very quick and easy - my wife and I have fed 90 colonies with fondant and treated with oxalic at the same time in 8 hours. A.Poluektov wrote in message news:38f30368@news.parma.ru... > Thank Peter > I have yet two questions: > 1. You treated with thimol crystals 4 times? It is a lot of labour. > 2. You spraying or trickling oxalic acid? > Andrey Article 24109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:54:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-211.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 955576476 30288 62.136.2.211 (12 Apr 2000 21:54:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 21:54:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24109 Very sorry to hear that you have joined the club. I do hope that your government will not now make the same mistakes as so many others. My advice would be: 1 In view of the length of time that you have had varroa you might as well accept that it is endemic. 2 There is therefore no point in destroying colonies or setting up exclusion zones. 3 It would be impossible for anyone to give you a simple 'answer' to varroa in a posting here - but have a look at the archives where you will find a great deal of useful material. 4 A search on 'varroa' will produce more web sites than you will read and digest in a week - perhaps a month! 5 There is a vast amount of literature that has been published - buy the books and start studying. 6 Treatment is broadly divided between 'hard' chemicals (e.g. Bayvarol, Apistan etc), soft chemicals (thymol, formic/lactic/oxalic acids) and mechanical (removal of drone brood etc). You will need to make up your own mind about them (hard chemical contaminate the wax and varroa is becoming resistant to them, soft chemicals may be less easy to use but some of us believe that they are more environmentally friendly, mechanical methods are hard work!). 7 Resistant bees are probably some way off - so do not rely on that one! 8 There is new hope the varroa can be controlled with fungi - some really promising work going on in this country. 9 Above all else - be vigilant. Varroa populations increase at an incredible speed and by the time that you notice that you have a problem it will probably be too late. Colonies can look very good at the end of the summer with huge populations which then collapse in weeks; the reason is that the brood is infested and the emerging bees will be damaged - so what appears to be a healthy colony is simply the old bees - and there will be nothing to replace them. I wish you the very best of luck and hope that you will learn from those who are already living with the problem. Don't give up - there is life (and beekeeping) after varroa - it is just a bit more difficult. Carman wrote in message news:8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz... > Greetings All > The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our > major ports, the Beekeepers assoc. is asking the hard questions of border > control regarding how this has happened when we have been historically free > from Varoa mite. > It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years Article 24110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:57:21 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955576711 nnrp-13:12945 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 85 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24110 In article <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. >Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our snip >It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years and we are reeeeeally very snip >I think, initially at least, the action they are taking is to destroy all >hives where the mites are being found .... an area from North of Auckalnd to >South of Hamilton has been quaranteened and no bees are to be move in or out >of that area .. we are included in that area... for us this is not as snip I am really sorry about your news. It is a stage most of us go through wherever we are in the world. We in the UK tried the quarantine approach county by county as it spread inexorably once in. Spread is pretty inevitable over the years. Unfortunately beekeepers in an island have a major role in moving the mite around (as on a continent too). It reached West Cornwall in 1996 about 8 years after it was discovered in the UK because a beekeeper happily brought swarms into the area from an area where varroa was known. Quarantine may slow down the spread but since migratory beekeeping in and out of the area in the last 4 years will have spread the varroa as far as the beekeepers took their hives, you are probably far too late. Nevertheless you will probably be controlled by your Government Officers to some strict routine or other. I believe it is vital that you *don't* destroy colonies. It will do no good unless you destroy every colony in both islands and wait 3 years. In the meantime attract and destroy all swarms from feral colonies. Then you can restock and pray. I cannot see anyone doing this. Of course you could just wait and let them die on their own and hope some strain evolves that can resist the mite. Again no-one (in their right mind?) would do this. So, it's not the way to go. Bite the bullet. You'll get help in this newsgroup. The strip you refer to is routinely used with varroa in the hive by a very high percentage of beekeepers. It has 2 forms: Bayvarol and Apistan, each with very similar chemicals harmless to bees and honey. Resistance will develop quickly (within a few years) see http://www.ifas.ufl/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm and navigate to Feb 99 issue. Try also http://www.iacr.bbsrc.ac.uk and navigate through nematology and entomology to Katie Shaw's paper. I am sure you'll get lots of help and other excellent URL's on this newsgroup. One piece of good advice is to fit a varroa mesh floor in at least one hive in each apiary. Best is stainless steel wire at 6 per inch. The dead varroa fall through on to a simple drawer and numbers can be counted weekly. There is also a calculator produced in the UK which is a bit involved, but it works out the number of days before you *must* treat. There are other treatments which I am sure others will let you know about involving essential oils, formic acid, lactic acid, oxalic acid and so on and some excellent sites. Make sure you research them properly as there is some not so accurate information available. The effectiveness of all approaches depends on careful adherence to instructions and in some cases on local conditions. Culling of drone brood can help. A lot depends on how active the management of varroa the beekeeper wants to be. This is why Apistan and Bayvarol were first choice by most. Regrettably, a more potent chemical is now offered in the USA following resistance development. It is not licensed in the UK and I hope never will be. I hope to alternate essential oils (wintergreen) with apistan until I recognise resistance. One promising one involves a slurry of oil of wintergreen with liquid paraffin (mineral oil in the USA) and beeswax. Used properly, it seems to keep the mite levels down to a low number. Again, someone else will surely provide details. One URL I have is http://www.wvu.edu~agexten/varroa2.htm. I haven't tried this recently, so mailto:jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu and ask for a URL to the site giving the latest results on essential oils. Don't despair, the experience in Europe is that wild honeybees are decimated, leaving only swarms to keep a low feral population, half or more beekeepers give up as they cannot adapt, honey production goes down for a while and then picks up. New beekeepers and established beekeepers who adapt develop a higher standard of beekeeping, notably in hygiene and honey production rises above the original value. In the doldrums, watch out for thieves who look out for replacements for lost colonies!! All best wishes -- James Kilty Trading as Honey Mountain : honey for local shops plus beeswax candles in the Trevarno Gardens shop. Small Bee Centre open to visitors. tel/fax +44 (0)1736 850373 Article 24111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: "Angela Copi" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chickens and bees Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:18:38 -0400 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> X-Trace: ClPtDcs+HxXE1DKYwQUsQCs6GfisFQk7tL/3VnUsjfM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 22:17:07 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24111 I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. Does anyone see a problem with this? Thanks, Keith Article 24112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!testinfo.cs.uoguelph.ca!not-for-mail From: deviant Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Word up Date: 12 Apr 2000 22:35:39 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8d2tnr$qil$8591@testinfo.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.104.241.224 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24112 Check out my music at http://nav.to/deviant3/ eveything under the sun.. mp3s and impulse tracker files are available... Article 24113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:45:23 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdy03.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 955583338 1237 62.188.8.195 (12 Apr 2000 23:48:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 23:48:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24113 James and Peter have both given excellent advice in the previous two messages. What they both convey without actually saying it is DON'T PANIC!!! Varroa can be kept under control. It takes different courses in different places mainly because it is the associated viruses that kill the bees, not the V.j. itself. Don't try to decide between the different kinds of treatment/control, but make your mind up to use a mixture of all the available methods and to vary the treatment so that the mites don't have such a good chance of being selected for resistance. If you are dead unlucky, the mites you have are already resistant to some of the treatments. The most likely candidate is Apistan resistance. What you must NOT do is wait until something happens - by the time you notice anything in the course of 'normal' beekeeping, your hive is already overrun. Take measures to find out how many mites you have by doing the floor checks and knock downs with 24 hour treatments over a mesh floor. You will be overwhelmed with advice, but the most important is Don't Panic - test to see what the problem is. I talked to the Palmerston North Bee Club about Varroa a couple of years back - I guess they are wishing they had taken notes and listened by now! Martin, MK, UK. James Kilty wrote in message news:iC55KWABFP94Ewl8@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > writes > >The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > >Varoa mite has been confirmed .............. etc. Article 24114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com> Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 46 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:55:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 955583707 12.72.50.139 (Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:55:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:55:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24114 Wow, I've donned my flame-proof knickers now. FWIW, I don't have only one hive. I sited this an example when I was evaluating plastic vs. wax. As for time, my kids will tell you I have very little and I would like to hear you argue that it takes less time to use wax/wood than Pierco (no cheating by buying wax/wood already assembled). On this NG, Allen Dick probably has the most experience with Pierco and other plastics and has posted a lot of information on BEE-L. Since you don't have the time and I apparently do, I did a search of the archives for you. You'll find his assessment at: http://listserv.albany.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9806D&L=bee-l&P=R497&m=13878 If you do find the time, search for "pierco or plastic" in the subject at: http://listserv.albany.edu/cgi-bin/wa?S1=bee-l -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Robert Williamson" wrote in message news:20000411233230.19050.00001112@ng-fw1.news.cs.com... > > I'll show you the thousand frames or so I inherited from another beekeeper. My > mentor actually had splits that swarmed rather than drawing out the plastic. > Maybe it works real good with one hive when you have all the time in the world, > but with 3500 the reality is...Bees don't like plastic. > > > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:32:11 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 61 Message-ID: <8d3218$16l$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdy03.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 955583336 1237 62.188.8.195 (12 Apr 2000 23:48:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 23:48:56 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24115 Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > Very sorry to hear that you have joined the club. > > I do hope that your government will not now make the same mistakes as so > many others. My advice would be: > > 1 In view of the length of time that you have had varroa you might as well > accept that it is endemic. > 2 There is therefore no point in destroying colonies or setting up exclusion > zones. > 3 It would be impossible for anyone to give you a simple 'answer' to varroa > in a posting here - but have a look at the archives where you will find a > great deal of useful material. > 4 A search on 'varroa' will produce more web sites than you will read and > digest in a week - perhaps a month! > 5 There is a vast amount of literature that has been published - buy the > books and start studying. > 6 Treatment is broadly divided between 'hard' chemicals (e.g. Bayvarol, > Apistan etc), soft chemicals (thymol, formic/lactic/oxalic acids) and > mechanical (removal of drone brood etc). You will need to make up your own > mind about them (hard chemical contaminate the wax and varroa is becoming > resistant to them, soft chemicals may be less easy to use but some of us > believe that they are more environmentally friendly, mechanical methods are > hard work!). > 7 Resistant bees are probably some way off - so do not rely on that one! > 8 There is new hope the varroa can be controlled with fungi - some really > promising work going on in this country. > 9 Above all else - be vigilant. Varroa populations increase at an > incredible speed and by the time that you notice that you have a problem it > will probably be too late. Colonies can look very good at the end of the > summer with huge populations which then collapse in weeks; the reason is > that the brood is infested and the emerging bees will be damaged - so what > appears to be a healthy colony is simply the old bees - and there will be > nothing to replace them. > > I wish you the very best of luck and hope that you will learn from those who > are already living with the problem. Don't give up - there is life (and > beekeeping) after varroa - it is just a bit more difficult. > Carman wrote in message > news:8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz... > > Greetings All > > The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > > Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our > > major ports, the Beekeepers assoc. is asking the hard questions of border > > control regarding how this has happened when we have been historically > free > > from Varoa mite. > > It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years > > Article 24116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 00:06:21 GMT References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000412200621.06405.00000318@nso-fs.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24116 In article <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Angela Copi" writes: > >I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. >Does anyone see a problem with this? > >Thanks, No, they get along well together. Now I have heard past reports on the Africanized honey bee does not get along with chickens, so beware if you are in the AFB region as I am. Article 24117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 02:12:05 GMT References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000412221205.15431.00001287@ng-cm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24117 Well good luck but Plastic is not my preferance Article 24118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarms/nucs Message-ID: <38f51a71.4210484@news.usit.net> References: <38f3bae0.25151854@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 25 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 01:05:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.191 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 955587959 216.80.168.191 (Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:05:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:05:59 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24118 I am located in southwest va. I really don't want any more hives this year. Two of the hives were started last spring I haven't opened these up to check for queen cells and the other hive is going on third year it swarmed 2 or 3 times last year and i still got 2 or 3 supers of honey. The other hive was also started last spring, but I gave it a frame of brood and it exploded. I think this is were the swarms came from I did find queen cells in it this spring, but all three swarms couldn't have come from it because all three have been big swarms. I would like advice on how to check to see if any hive needs split again or is it to late for this with out affecting honey producing this year. I if split is needed can I add splits to swarmed hives? On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 23:59:59 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: >I have had three swarms the last two weeks. I fed sugar water this >must have really done the trick for build up. I had to put this last >swarm in brushy Mt. swarm trap the long one. I have ordered more >equipment. How do I go about transferring to new hive when I get it >setup? Will these swarms produce much honey? The trees here have just >started coming out most still a couple of weeks off. Also how many >supers will the old hive likley use this year? > >Thanks for the responses Article 24119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:52:51 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8d32dr$1e8$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <4We$$LAbY784EwO5@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdy46.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 955583739 1480 62.188.8.238 (12 Apr 2000 23:55:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Apr 2000 23:55:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24119 James Kilty, Hi! So that's why I keep seeing your name James! I feel much the same. See you this weekend at Stoneleigh - I shall be there both days and expect to come home hoarse after two day solid talking!! Martin, MK, UK. James Kilty wrote in message > Personally I find the s.a.b group fine. I contribute as I feel, > especially if someone is from UK and also I find it hard to control my > compulsion to stick my two pennyworth in to lots of threads. It is too > addictive! > > -- > James Kilty Article 24120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic hives Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 01:34:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24120 I am adding 4 new hives this year and bought 2 that are advertised as plastic. They actually seem more like styrofoam to me. On one side at the opening, really a separate opening, there is a wire mesh screen slightly raised above the floor. I am assuming that it is a built in pollen trap. Not really sure though. The one problem I have found with the hive is that there is very little head space. I had to make a very thin patty and the menthol bag makes the top stay open very slightly. They come with imprinted plastic foundation and this is new to me and I hope it works out. Anyway I hived 4lbs and a queen today and time will tell. Tim W. Article 24121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-37.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:15:54 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955595699 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:14:59 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:14:59 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24121 Hi All, Well firstly thankyou for your concern for us here in NZ. I've been through my hives and cannot notice any mites, have checked the bodies of the bees and opened quite a few of the capped larvae. Have checked out the Varroosis site, which has some excellent information for us folk who have never had to bother before. I need some advice on making definitely sure my hives do not have the mites to assist MAF in their effort to find out how far the infestation goes. I live in the quartined area, approx 25km away. I have read the icing sugar trick to try, but also apparently the mites don't like tobacco, and if it is put in the smoker the mites will drop to the floor of the hive, can someone confirm that this is so. Now I don't smoke so if I pull apart some of my husbands cigarettes and use this tobacco will this do? Does cigarette tobacco have additives that will harm my bees? Should I just buy a packet of tabacco? I've read so much on the ng about all your problems with the mites, I'll have to take note myself now. Thanks again Liz (Auckland, NZ) Pamela Buckle wrote in message news:8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net... > James and Peter have both given excellent advice in the previous two > messages. What they both convey without actually saying it is DON'T > PANIC!!! > Varroa can be kept under control. It takes different courses in different > places mainly because it is the associated viruses that kill the bees, not > the V.j. itself. Don't try to decide between the different kinds of > treatment/control, but make your mind up to use a mixture of all the > available methods and to vary the treatment so that the mites don't have > such a good chance of being selected for resistance. If you are dead > unlucky, the mites you have are already resistant to some of the treatments. > The most likely candidate is Apistan resistance. > What you must NOT do is wait until something happens - by the time you > notice anything in the course of 'normal' beekeeping, your hive is already > overrun. Take measures to find out how many mites you have by doing the > floor checks and knock downs with 24 hour treatments over a mesh floor. > You will be overwhelmed with advice, but the most important is Don't Panic - > test to see what the problem is. > I talked to the Palmerston North Bee Club about Varroa a couple of years > back - I guess they are wishing they had taken notes and listened by now! > Martin, MK, UK. > James Kilty wrote in message > news:iC55KWABFP94Ewl8@kilty.demon.co.uk... > > In article <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > > writes > > >The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > > >Varoa mite has been confirmed .............. etc. > > Article 24122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:44:19 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8d3ecb$8p8$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p66.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955595979 9000 203.96.192.66 (13 Apr 2000 03:19:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 03:19:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24122 Angela Copi wrote in message news:8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net... > I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. > Does anyone see a problem with this? > > Thanks, > > Keith > sounds wonderful i have both free range chickens and bees, have had no problem so far, the chickens seem to somehow know to steer clear of bees .. and vice versa, they co-habitate quite nicely carman Article 24123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 03:24:23 GMT References: <8d1oee$9g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000412232423.08688.00001261@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24123 >Bees will draw >and fill >> plastic foundation. it depends very much on preparation, colour and >pattern >> Well of course it does. I didn't say they wouldn't. I've got some duragilt, some pierco, solid plastic you name it, some are drawn out beautifully, but after a few years they end up like the rest. A lot of people here argue about being natural when treating their hives,(plastic doesn't occur in nature). Bees prefer wood and wax. God made em that way.>urprizing to me is the comments about how bad Duragilt is and that >bees won't work on plastic, but... all the newest frames are made out >of more and more plastic. WOuldn't you think that we're going in the >wrong direction??? > Nope just means that a lot more beekeepers are getting lazier all the time. Different strokes for different folks. More power to you and the best of luck. My hives average between 200 and 300 pounds a summer, sometimes a little more. If they don't then they get dealt with. Anybody who's actually taken off over 500,000 lbs. of honey please stand up. I have something to learn from you. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but until then I will be a avid supporter of beeswax foundation. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:54:27 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 83 Message-ID: <8d3fh5$92j$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p66.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955597157 9299 203.96.192.66 (13 Apr 2000 03:39:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 03:39:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24124 Greetings Peter many thanks for your hasty reply > Very sorry to hear that you have joined the club. me too seems this is the previous NZ government fault, we used to have very strict quaranteen and fumiguard restrictions, but our previous government decided that the border control fumigation was too expensive for the importers to continue and so all sorts of things are turning up in cargo > I do hope that your government will not now make the same mistakes as so > many others. seems they've started already, they've started destroying hives > My advice would be: > > 1 In view of the length of time that you have had varroa you might as well > accept that it is endemic. that's what i thought > 2 There is therefore no point in destroying colonies or setting up exclusion > zones. as i said they've started already and there is an exclusion zone.. i have beenl giving careful consideration to the possibilities and what you have said also occurred to me, that mass destruction will be an error so i shall fight tooth and nail to prevent the extermination of my hives !! it's been cold and windy today, so i've not gone it to check our bees yet, hope to do this over the weekend snip > 5 There is a vast amount of literature that has been published - buy the > books and start studying. will do !! and will study the rest of your relevant advise ... off to do the research many thanks carman > 6 Treatment is broadly divided between 'hard' chemicals (e.g. Bayvarol, > Apistan etc), soft chemicals (thymol, formic/lactic/oxalic acids) and > mechanical (removal of drone brood etc). You will need to make up your own > mind about them (hard chemical contaminate the wax and varroa is becoming > resistant to them, soft chemicals may be less easy to use but some of us > believe that they are more environmentally friendly, mechanical methods are > hard work!). > 7 Resistant bees are probably some way off - so do not rely on that one! > 8 There is new hope the varroa can be controlled with fungi - some really > promising work going on in this country. > 9 Above all else - be vigilant. Varroa populations increase at an > incredible speed and by the time that you notice that you have a problem it > will probably be too late. Colonies can look very good at the end of the > summer with huge populations which then collapse in weeks; the reason is > that the brood is infested and the emerging bees will be damaged - so what > appears to be a healthy colony is simply the old bees - and there will be > nothing to replace them. > > I wish you the very best of luck and hope that you will learn from those who > are already living with the problem. Don't give up - there is life (and > beekeeping) after varroa - it is just a bit more difficult. > Carman wrote in message > news:8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz... > > Greetings All > > The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > > Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our > > major ports, the Beekeepers assoc. is asking the hard questions of border > > control regarding how this has happened when we have been historically > free > > from Varoa mite. > > It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years > > Article 24125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:04:00 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 124 Message-ID: <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p66.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955597159 9299 203.96.192.66 (13 Apr 2000 03:39:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 03:39:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24125 James Kilty wrote in message news:iC55KWABFP94Ewl8@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > writes > >The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > >Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our > snip > >It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years and we are reeeeeally very > snip > >I think, initially at least, the action they are taking is to destroy all > >hives where the mites are being found .... an area from North of Auckalnd to > >South of Hamilton has been quaranteened and no bees are to be move in or out > >of that area .. we are included in that area... for us this is not as > snip > I am really sorry about your news. It is a stage most of us go through > wherever we are in the world. We in the UK tried the quarantine approach > county by county as it spread inexorably once in. Spread is pretty > inevitable over the years. Unfortunately beekeepers in an island have a > major role in moving the mite around (as on a continent too). It reached > West Cornwall in 1996 about 8 years after it was discovered in the UK > because a beekeeper happily brought swarms into the area from an area > where varroa was known. we have very many migratory beekeepers here, who move their hives where the honey flows go, so i guess they will be the main carriers .. both our hive sites are fixed and permanent. The beekeepers are completely agog here, every hour there's breaking news, last i heard they'd begun patrolling the hives on the east coast and one guy just lost a $100,000 shipment. doesn't affect me in such a way, we are only hobby keepers and just collect enough honey for our needs, the rest is left to the bees, so it is not a matter of livelihood >Quarantine may slow down the spread but since > migratory beekeeping in and out of the area in the last 4 years will > have spread the varroa as far as the beekeepers took their hives, you > are probably far too late. Nevertheless you will probably be controlled > by your Government Officers to some strict routine or other. with deregulation most of the responsibility has fallen to the beekeepers association, i imagine they are at panic stations right now.... they are approaching the Govt for funds to assist the crisis > I believe it is vital that you *don't* destroy colonies. It will do no > good unless you destroy every colony in both islands and wait 3 years. Right !! I won't !! in fact i had more or less decided that .. they'll have to throw me in jail and toss away the key before they have a clear path for such action I shall save for future reference the excellent advice following and i read of some of the measures in my book printed in the UK .. yes i see you mention oil of wintergreen, that's what i read about I shall see if i can get some many thanks !! off to study carman > In the meantime attract and destroy all swarms from feral colonies. Then > you can restock and pray. I cannot see anyone doing this. Of course you > could just wait and let them die on their own and hope some strain > evolves that can resist the mite. Again no-one (in their right mind?) > would do this. So, it's not the way to go. > > Bite the bullet. You'll get help in this newsgroup. The strip you refer > to is routinely used with varroa in the hive by a very high percentage > of beekeepers. It has 2 forms: Bayvarol and Apistan, each with very > similar chemicals harmless to bees and honey. Resistance will develop > quickly (within a few years) see > http://www.ifas.ufl/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm and navigate to Feb 99 issue. > Try also http://www.iacr.bbsrc.ac.uk and navigate through nematology and > entomology to Katie Shaw's paper. I am sure you'll get lots of help and > other excellent URL's on this newsgroup. > > One piece of good advice is to fit a varroa mesh floor in at least one > hive in each apiary. Best is stainless steel wire at 6 per inch. The > dead varroa fall through on to a simple drawer and numbers can be > counted weekly. There is also a calculator produced in the UK which is a > bit involved, but it works out the number of days before you *must* > treat. > > There are other treatments which I am sure others will let you know > about involving essential oils, formic acid, lactic acid, oxalic acid > and so on and some excellent sites. Make sure you research them properly > as there is some not so accurate information available. The > effectiveness of all approaches depends on careful adherence to > instructions and in some cases on local conditions. Culling of drone > brood can help. A lot depends on how active the management of varroa the > beekeeper wants to be. This is why Apistan and Bayvarol were first > choice by most. Regrettably, a more potent chemical is now offered in > the USA following resistance development. It is not licensed in the UK > and I hope never will be. I hope to alternate essential oils > (wintergreen) with apistan until I recognise resistance. > > One promising one involves a slurry of oil of wintergreen with liquid > paraffin (mineral oil in the USA) and beeswax. Used properly, it seems > to keep the mite levels down to a low number. Again, someone else will > surely provide details. One URL I have is > http://www.wvu.edu~agexten/varroa2.htm. I haven't tried this recently, > so mailto:jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu and ask for a URL to the site giving > the latest results on essential oils. > > Don't despair, the experience in Europe is that wild honeybees are > decimated, leaving only swarms to keep a low feral population, half or > more beekeepers give up as they cannot adapt, honey production goes down > for a while and then picks up. New beekeepers and established beekeepers > who adapt develop a higher standard of beekeeping, notably in hygiene > and honey production rises above the original value. In the doldrums, > watch out for thieves who look out for replacements for lost colonies!! > > All best wishes > -- > James Kilty > Trading as Honey Mountain : honey for local shops plus beeswax candles in the > Trevarno Gardens shop. Small Bee Centre open to visitors. > tel/fax +44 (0)1736 850373 Article 24126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!novia!sequencer.newscene.com!not-for-mail From: lactoflavin@hotmail.com (Dr. Donut) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book recommendations? Date: 13 Apr 2000 07:29:04 -0500 Organization: Newscene Public Access Usenet News Service (http://www.newscene.com/) Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24126 i have developed a rather strong interest in keeping bees eventually, and i was wondering if anyone could recommend any books for a beginner. This is obviously not something to jump into, so i would like to educate myself intellectually before i approach the task. And if anyone has any suggestions where i can find a list of associations, groups, etc. of beekeepers in the States i would appreciate it. the next stage after reading is perhaps to apprentice. Thank you in advance for any assistance! Article 24127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:37:53 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 101 Message-ID: <8d3hhm$9ha$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p108.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 955599222 9770 203.96.192.108 (13 Apr 2000 04:13:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 04:13:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24127 thanks James and Peter faxed and distributed to appropriate parties, in the hope they prevent destroying bee colonies will keep you informed of developments carman James Kilty wrote in message news:iC55KWABFP94Ewl8@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > writes > >The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. > >Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our > snip > >It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years and we are reeeeeally very > snip > >I think, initially at least, the action they are taking is to destroy all > >hives where the mites are being found .... an area from North of Auckalnd to > >South of Hamilton has been quaranteened and no bees are to be move in or out > >of that area .. we are included in that area... for us this is not as > snip > I am really sorry about your news. It is a stage most of us go through > wherever we are in the world. We in the UK tried the quarantine approach > county by county as it spread inexorably once in. Spread is pretty > inevitable over the years. Unfortunately beekeepers in an island have a > major role in moving the mite around (as on a continent too). It reached > West Cornwall in 1996 about 8 years after it was discovered in the UK > because a beekeeper happily brought swarms into the area from an area > where varroa was known. Quarantine may slow down the spread but since > migratory beekeeping in and out of the area in the last 4 years will > have spread the varroa as far as the beekeepers took their hives, you > are probably far too late. Nevertheless you will probably be controlled > by your Government Officers to some strict routine or other. > > I believe it is vital that you *don't* destroy colonies. It will do no > good unless you destroy every colony in both islands and wait 3 years. > In the meantime attract and destroy all swarms from feral colonies. Then > you can restock and pray. I cannot see anyone doing this. Of course you > could just wait and let them die on their own and hope some strain > evolves that can resist the mite. Again no-one (in their right mind?) > would do this. So, it's not the way to go. > > Bite the bullet. You'll get help in this newsgroup. The strip you refer > to is routinely used with varroa in the hive by a very high percentage > of beekeepers. It has 2 forms: Bayvarol and Apistan, each with very > similar chemicals harmless to bees and honey. Resistance will develop > quickly (within a few years) see > http://www.ifas.ufl/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm and navigate to Feb 99 issue. > Try also http://www.iacr.bbsrc.ac.uk and navigate through nematology and > entomology to Katie Shaw's paper. I am sure you'll get lots of help and > other excellent URL's on this newsgroup. > > One piece of good advice is to fit a varroa mesh floor in at least one > hive in each apiary. Best is stainless steel wire at 6 per inch. The > dead varroa fall through on to a simple drawer and numbers can be > counted weekly. There is also a calculator produced in the UK which is a > bit involved, but it works out the number of days before you *must* > treat. > > There are other treatments which I am sure others will let you know > about involving essential oils, formic acid, lactic acid, oxalic acid > and so on and some excellent sites. Make sure you research them properly > as there is some not so accurate information available. The > effectiveness of all approaches depends on careful adherence to > instructions and in some cases on local conditions. Culling of drone > brood can help. A lot depends on how active the management of varroa the > beekeeper wants to be. This is why Apistan and Bayvarol were first > choice by most. Regrettably, a more potent chemical is now offered in > the USA following resistance development. It is not licensed in the UK > and I hope never will be. I hope to alternate essential oils > (wintergreen) with apistan until I recognise resistance. > > One promising one involves a slurry of oil of wintergreen with liquid > paraffin (mineral oil in the USA) and beeswax. Used properly, it seems > to keep the mite levels down to a low number. Again, someone else will > surely provide details. One URL I have is > http://www.wvu.edu~agexten/varroa2.htm. I haven't tried this recently, > so mailto:jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu and ask for a URL to the site giving > the latest results on essential oils. > > Don't despair, the experience in Europe is that wild honeybees are > decimated, leaving only swarms to keep a low feral population, half or > more beekeepers give up as they cannot adapt, honey production goes down > for a while and then picks up. New beekeepers and established beekeepers > who adapt develop a higher standard of beekeeping, notably in hygiene > and honey production rises above the original value. In the doldrums, > watch out for thieves who look out for replacements for lost colonies!! > > All best wishes > -- > James Kilty > Trading as Honey Mountain : honey for local shops plus beeswax candles in the > Trevarno Gardens shop. Small Bee Centre open to visitors. > tel/fax +44 (0)1736 850373 Article 24128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 67 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 14:00:02 GMT References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000413100002.10855.00000019@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24128 >I've never paid much attention to the varroa mite threads in this ng, as it >was not applicable to our situation, now i am forced to seek our as much >information as possble. It would be good to have as much information about >varroa mite as possible, and i would appreciate any good websites about >this pest and control measures. > >How do you overseas beekeepers control or cope with the pest? Do you >destroy all hives? The bad news is that it will cost you more to keep bees. The really bad news is that those misguided persons who think they can exterminate it, when it has already become established may do a lot more damage. The good news is that it will make you a better beekeeper, if you allow it. You will become much more observant to tiny clues as you inspect your bees, things like the odor of the hive, for example. I'm not talking about foulbrood here; this odor is like getting hit with a bat. I'm talking about the faint sour odor that tells you that the bees are sick. If you are observant, the first place you are likely to see varroa is on the broken burr comb between the boxes, which has some developing drone brood. Each time you break apart boxes, check this drone brood. Don't be in a hurry to remove all burr comb; bees need some drones anyway. Of course hives that are already weak from varroa are apt to cease rearing drones, so the absence of drones in the season when they normally are present is another clue to trouble. >also i was reading a British book wish recommended a certain pesticide strip >to be hung between the frames. The book also spoke of a herbal essence >which could be attachedto sticky paper and hung between the frames, >non-harmful to bees but repellent to the mite, it was a herb i never heard >of and as far as i know is not grown here... Essential oils have been shown to give some control in some situations, but are not reliable as your total control program. Beekeepers who placed their whole trust in oils have lost bees, and the advocates have become a lot quieter. So caveat emptor. I think a four-pronged program would work, if you didn't want to use pesticides, but it is very labor intensive, and all parts would have to be in operation, along with careful monitoring of varroa levels. 1. Get the most resistant stock you can. Always breed from your best bees. Those who have a high varroa level despite your efforts are simply weak bees, and should never be allowed to reproduce. 2. Use screen bottoms on your hives. Varroa that falls off the bees may not be able to get back up to them. Even better, have the capability of inserting a tray of soapy water for a few moments a couple times per year. Then smoke the bees with tobacco smoke. Varroa drops off and dies in the soapy water. 3. Have one frame of drone brood in the hive at all times. When this is full of sealed drone brood, remove and use for fish bait, or freeze it and put it back. 4. Essential oils at least twice per year. I don't do this, but, as I say, I think it would work. As a commercial pollination beekeeper, there simply isn't the resources to do this. A beekeeper who has an outside job to support his beekeeping on a small scale could do it. It might also be possible for commercial honey producers who get a premium price for "organic" honey. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:20:29 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 27 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust46.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d4klo$jdl$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust46.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24129 > The one problem I have found with the hive is that there is very little head > space. I had to make a very thin patty and the menthol bag makes the top stay > open very slightly One easy solution to that is to use a sack or a piece of 6 mil plastic at least an inch or two larger than the hive over top the hive. This is draped over the top of the hive and patties before the telescoping lid is placed on the hive. The lid may rock a bit, but no problem. The plastic or sack allows feed materials to be piled on top of the frames, but prevents the bees building wild comb in the space around the patties and also prevents the loss of heat We actually use a little quilt made with plastic sheeting and a 1" quilt batting all year long and no other inner cover. If you like one of these methods and decide to use a quilt or sack full time, then a 1" rim nailed around the top inside edge of the telescoping lid will keep it level and ensure a tight seal around the edges and keep the lid level. allen ------ Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, and more... Article 24130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 08:55:05 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 28 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust44.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d4muh$mim$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <8d3fh5$92j$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust44.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24130 > seems this is the previous NZ government fault No sense laying blame. No one will ever know what really happened, and fault finding only causes bad feelings and hampers the co-operation you will need to muster to deal with the reality of the situation. As they say, "The future is already here, it is just not evenly distributed." You've had the mite for years now, and the only thing that has changed with the discovery is the emotional environment. A study of grief reactions is useful to get through the initial denial and finger pointing to dealing positively with the situation. > > I do hope that your government will not now make the same mistakes as so > > many others. > seems they've started already, they've started destroying... There is a lot of expertise worldwide on this pest, but it seems every country ignores it and starts from scratch instead of calling in friends. The one thing that seems to be obvious is that once it arrives in a country, the only thing that will prevent its quick spread is a natural barrier, such as a large body of water or mountains without passes, and unless there is incredible solidarity among beekeepers and the populace and very rigid enforcement, people will soon have spread the mites even past such barriers. allen Article 24131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:10:13 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 32 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust44.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8d4nit$ng2$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust44.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24131 > I've been through my hives and cannot notice any mites, have checked the > bodies of the bees and opened quite a few of the capped larvae. Have > checked out the Varroosis site, which has some excellent information for us > folk who have never had to bother before. I need some advice on making > definitely sure my hives do not have the mites That is precisely the problem. You can prove you do have mites, but *can not * ever prove conclusively you do not -- without destroying all the bees and brood in the process. If you choose to follow that path, then you must next start on the neighbourhood, then the more distant areas and so on... Eventually no one will have any bees and the solution will be worse than the original threat. It is *impossible* to declare an area free of varroa, but it is easy to declare it as having varroa -- all it takes is one mite, and finding her is worse than looking for a needle in a haystack. Once mites are found in your area, you might as well assume you have them. Not finding any does not prove anything except that the level is very low and no immediate steps must be taken. allen -- Diary and pictures at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ Currently: cell size, worker bee size, package installation, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs Permadent, wrapping bees, AFB, and more... Article 24132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38f86e33.7249602@news.earthlink.net> References: <8d1oee$9g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000412232423.08688.00001261@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 54 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:17:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.205.246 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955653477 38.27.205.246 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:17:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:17:57 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24132 Without stepping into the flame, I'll have to add my 2 cents for the good of hobbyist beekeepers: ------------------- If Robert is pulling off large quantities of honey and is able to extract the same without re-framing his hives each season, all the more power to him and we'd like to know how he extracts! Most extractors will blow out these frames or snag a wire with ease, which is why beekeepers have been forcing bees to draw out on plastic or plastic reinforced (Duragilt) foundation. Robert is also correct when he says, "bees don't like plastic". Bees also don't like beekeepers messing with their hives. This is what management and beekeeping is all about: Forcing bees to build on your priorities rather than their own. Lazy beekeepers? You could see this comment directed to those whom use pure beeswax since it's easier for bees to get started - but forcing bees to draw on plastic is not easy. Timing and spacing are more important when drawing plastic foundation. In the end you have more robust frames because extractors won't spin out the middle of the frames. Badly drawn comb can be scraped down right in the field. Try that with pure beeswax foundation. For general use, the upside for plastic foundation outweighs Duragilt or pure beeswax. Robert may be concentrating on cut-comb production; Or Robert has wire embedding and extraction tricks down pat for beeswax foundation. The 'best' type of foundation is what you choose by pros and cons of each. Sometimes, what you used in the past is the ONLY method/tool without consideration for technology - especially true in beekeeping. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA >Nope just means that a lot more beekeepers are getting lazier all the time. >Different strokes for different folks. More power to you and the best of luck. >My hives average between 200 and 300 pounds a summer, sometimes a little more. >If they don't then they get dealt with. > Anybody who's actually taken off over 500,000 lbs. of honey please stand up. I >have something to learn from you. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but until >then I will be a avid supporter of beeswax foundation. > >Robert Williamson >Southeast Texas Honey Co. >P.O. Box 176 >Vidor, Tx. 77670 >" A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hekyl.ab.tac.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F61DCB.571A0B7B@telusplanet.net> From: Tim Townsend Organization: TPLR Honey Farms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation References: <8d1oee$9g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000412232423.08688.00001261@ng-cj1.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:19:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.180.172 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 955653582 161.184.180.172 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:19:42 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:19:42 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24133 There isn't much comparison between plastic and wax. They both work, not a doubt about that, but just because plastic does not occur in nature, that doesn't mean that it is not a good replacement for wax if not a better one. Plastic is easier to install, if its a one piece frame, take it out of the box and put it in the super, and if it's a sheet, pop it into a wood frame and its finished. This is not a case of beekeepers becoming "lazier" as some would say, but rather it is beekeepers becoming more efficient over time and realizing that we have better things to spend our time on rather than building thousands of frames and fighting with wire and wax. The costs of running wax is more costly than plastic, due to the fact that wax and wood blows out, leaving you more material for the melter, whereas plastic does not break, and if the wood frame breaks, all you have to do is take the plastic sheet out and put it into a new frame, no wax or wires to work with. If you are out in the field and you see a frame in your hive with bur comb or excess drone comb, with plastic it is a simple matter of taking your hive tool and scraping it off, there is no damage done to the plastic and the bees will draw it out once again. We have not used wood and wax for ten years now and we will never use it again, and we are putting rather large amounts of new frames in a year, but some people are traditionalists and they will never change, but more and more are changing every year proving that plastic is a wise alternative to wax. Lee Townsend TPLR Honey Farms Stony Plain, Alberta, Canada Robert Williamson wrote: > >Bees will draw > >and fill > >> plastic foundation. it depends very much on preparation, colour and > >pattern > >> > > Well of course it does. I didn't say they wouldn't. I've got some duragilt, > some pierco, solid plastic you name it, some are drawn out beautifully, but > after a few years they end up like the rest. A lot of people here argue about > being natural when treating their hives,(plastic doesn't occur in nature). > Bees prefer wood and wax. God made em that way.>urprizing to me is the comments > about how bad Duragilt is and that > >bees won't work on plastic, but... all the newest frames are made out > >of more and more plastic. WOuldn't you think that we're going in the > >wrong direction??? > > > > Nope just means that a lot more beekeepers are getting lazier all the time. > Different strokes for different folks. More power to you and the best of luck. > My hives average between 200 and 300 pounds a summer, sometimes a little more. > If they don't then they get dealt with. > Anybody who's actually taken off over 500,000 lbs. of honey please stand up. I > have something to learn from you. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but until > then I will be a avid supporter of beeswax foundation. > > Robert Williamson > Southeast Texas Honey Co. > P.O. Box 176 > Vidor, Tx. 77670 > " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: ABC News article on 'killer bees' Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:46:33 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 3 Message-ID: <38F62419.635A65F2@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ren49-02.labs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 955655194 18448 129.101.6.228 (13 Apr 2000 19:46:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 19:46:34 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24134 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:202 This is worth reading- or at least skimming through: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/science/DailyNews/bees000412.html Article 24135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarms/nucs Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 11 Message-ID: <18848-38F62217-40@storefull-107.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <38f51a71.4210484@news.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAyBW6d/fGAIFIlRzsLJ7RA+FOyQkCFQCKfVnsYNO6ldGoMn6fgoVjY0A0VA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24135 My suggestion would be to read chapter 14 of The Hive And The Honeybee (1992 revised ed.) There is special attention to swarm prvention-honey production on pp. 623-631. You may also want to do a search on Bee-L. A bigger hive can make more honey but you must set up the right conditions to keep them from swarming which includes a young queen, enough room not to feel crowded, honey supers on, and good nectar flow. -------------------------------------------------------- To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 24136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:01:58 +0100 Message-ID: References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <4We$$LAbY784EwO5@kilty.demon.co.uk> <8d32dr$1e8$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955626550 nnrp-02:890 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24136 In article <8d32dr$1e8$1@lure.pipex.net>, Pamela Buckle writes >See you >this weekend at Stoneleigh - I shall be there both days and expect to come >home hoarse after two day solid talking!! I am not going. It is 250 miles and my life is too busy for that. When you are in West Cornwall give me a call. -- James Kilty Trading as Honey Mountain : honey for local shops plus beeswax candles in the Trevarno Gardens shop. Small Bee Centre open to visitors. tel/fax +44 (0)1736 850373 Article 24137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:09:52 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d2ras$tig$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <8d3fh5$92j$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955626551 nnrp-02:890 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 70 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24137 >i have beenl giving careful consideration to the possibilities and what you >have said also occurred to me, that mass destruction will be an error >so i shall fight tooth and nail to prevent the extermination of my hives !! >it's been cold and windy today, so i've not gone it to check our bees yet, >hope to do this over the weekend > >snip >> 5 There is a vast amount of literature that has been published - buy the >> books and start studying. > >will do !! >and will study the rest of your relevant advise ... off to do the research >many thanks >carman > > >> 6 Treatment is broadly divided between 'hard' chemicals (e.g. Bayvarol, >> Apistan etc), soft chemicals (thymol, formic/lactic/oxalic acids) and >> mechanical (removal of drone brood etc). You will need to make up your >own >> mind about them (hard chemical contaminate the wax and varroa is becoming >> resistant to them, soft chemicals may be less easy to use but some of us >> believe that they are more environmentally friendly, mechanical methods >are >> hard work!). >> 7 Resistant bees are probably some way off - so do not rely on that one! >> 8 There is new hope the varroa can be controlled with fungi - some really >> promising work going on in this country. >> 9 Above all else - be vigilant. Varroa populations increase at an >> incredible speed and by the time that you notice that you have a problem >it >> will probably be too late. Colonies can look very good at the end of the >> summer with huge populations which then collapse in weeks; the reason is >> that the brood is infested and the emerging bees will be damaged - so what >> appears to be a healthy colony is simply the old bees - and there will be >> nothing to replace them. >> >> I wish you the very best of luck and hope that you will learn from those >who >> are already living with the problem. Don't give up - there is life (and >> beekeeping) after varroa - it is just a bit more difficult. >> Carman wrote in message >> news:8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz... >> > Greetings All >> > The NZ beekeeping industry and beekeepers are presently in turmoil. >> > Varoa mite has been confirmed at 5 sites in Auckland which is one of our >> > major ports, the Beekeepers assoc. is asking the hard questions of >border >> > control regarding how this has happened when we have been historically >> free >> > from Varoa mite. >> > It is likely the mite has been here 4-5 years >> >> > > It is vital that your government is prepared to learn from other country's experience. Regrettably, the imperative to be autonomous means that each country tries to learn the hard way as if there were no knowledge worth anything unless it is your own national that does the research and if a foreigner tells you it's rubbish. We have had years of this in the UK. It is vital they listen and marshalling support from bee farmers and beekeepers associations, your representatives in government, university experts and intelligent government officers. And quickly. Find out who made the decision and how it was taken. You can't do it all on your own. Good luck. -- James Kilty Article 24138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:46:12 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955626553 nnrp-02:890 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24138 In article <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, Angela Copi writes >I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. >Does anyone see a problem with this? I have had few problems except when the cock strutted by the hives and went off squawking under a tree and took a little while to calm down. Needless to say, he didn't go near again. Neither does the dog! -- James Kilty Article 24139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:48:17 +0100 Message-ID: <6W5$PiABQb94EwHr@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955626554 nnrp-02:890 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 10 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24139 In article <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com>, Timmdwill writes >On one side at the opening, really a separate opening, there is a wire mesh >screen slightly raised above the floor. I am assuming that it is a built in >pollen trap. Not really sure though. Sounds like it could be a varroa floor. Remember the engineering adage, "when all else fails, read the instructions" - it might actually tell you something. Does the thing pull out? -- James Kilty Article 24140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!schlund.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:38:45 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955626552 nnrp-02:890 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 49 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24140 In article <8d3fh7$92j$2@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >with deregulation most of the responsibility has fallen to the beekeepers >association, i imagine they are at panic stations right now.... they are >approaching the Govt for funds to assist the crisis No need for funds, it will cost you about 4$ per hive to treat with Apistan which is a small price to save the colony. What you need is a policy of non-destruction and follow the treatments applied by other countries with lots of experience. >> I have is >> http://www.wvu.edu~agexten/varroa2.htm. I haven't tried this recently, >> so mailto:jamrine@wvnvm.wvnet.edu and ask for a URL to the site giving >> the latest results on essential oils. I did test it and it didn't work so I did email james amrine directly. He gave me the revised URL http://www.wvu.edu/~agexten/varroa/ which he is updating at the moment. He also gave me http://www.hereintown.net/~rnoel/ which I have not yet visited. Be careful though, it is probably too late for this type of treatment. Apistan or Bayvarol is going to be the most certain treatment for now. Try one hive as per my other posting and if there are, say a couple of hundred mites falling in a couple of days then you have an infestation requiring the full treatment for all your hives. If it's, say 10 or 20, whilst you *must* continue your treatment for the full 6 weeks (up to 8 with apistan) and set up a monitoring system for your apiary and be ready to treat next year. Intermediate figures would mean the probability of treatment being required at some stage next year. It depends on how prolific your bees are and how well the varroa build up. I imagine that apistan or bayvarol are not yet approved. However, they may not be excluded yet. I don't therefore know your legal position regarding it's use. I am prepared to go public and say I did use apistan for a year before it was approved in the UK. I was not alone. The only problem yo8u may have is if some overzealous official is monitoring this email and calls on you whilst the treatment is in your hive. I say this because a local produced a bit of technology with the wintergreen slurry and sold it openly as a detection system, knowing full well that reapplied throughout the season, varroa numbers were kept low. Our MAFF kept hitting his web site to check precisely what claims he was making! This was because no-one was allowed to claim they could *treat* for varroa other than Bayvarol at the time. Now we have a peculiar class of *non-medicinal curative substances* which has not bee clarified at all. Good luck. -- James Kilty Article 24141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:42:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <38f59649.43332529@news1.radix.net> References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24141 On 13 Apr 2000 01:34:35 GMT, timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) wrote: >I am adding 4 new hives this year and bought 2 that are advertised as plastic. >They actually seem more like styrofoam to me. >On one side at the opening, really a separate opening, there is a wire mesh >screen slightly raised above the floor. I am assuming that it is a built in >pollen trap. Not really sure though. >The one problem I have found with the hive is that there is very little head >space. I had to make a very thin patty and the menthol bag makes the top stay >open very slightly. >They come with imprinted plastic foundation and this is new to me and I hope it >works out. >Anyway I hived 4lbs and a queen today and time will tell. > >Tim W. If God wanted bees to live in plastic hives he would have made plastic trees! Greg the beekeep Article 24142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 13:32:59 GMT References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000413093259.10855.00000017@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24142 From: lactoflavin@hotmail.com (Dr. Donut) >i have developed a rather strong interest in keeping bees eventually, >and i was wondering if anyone could recommend any books for a >beginner. This is obviously not something to jump into, so i would >like to educate myself intellectually before i approach the task. Try: http://pollinator.com/beekper_resources.htm >And if anyone has any suggestions where i can find a list of >associations, groups, etc. of beekeepers in the States i would >appreciate it. the next stage after reading is perhaps to apprentice. For the US and Canada, check: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/who.html For other parts of the world, contact me. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 24143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "doona" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com> Subject: Re: Book recommendations? Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:40:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.30.212 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955633242 63.36.30.212 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:40:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 06:40:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24143 Hi I'm also new beekeeping. The first thing did was go to my Local Library, they had some books on beekeeping, they were old books but not much has changed. Then I orderd some books, the books I liked were: Beekeeping; a Practical Guide, and Hive Management by Richard E. Bonnay. I also liked Keeping Bees by John Vinian. Most of all keep reading this news group, I have learned so much just by reading what everyone is into. Good Luck Donna Dr. Donut wrote in message news:38f5bcae.166372350@news1.newscene.com... > i have developed a rather strong interest in keeping bees eventually, > and i was wondering if anyone could recommend any books for a > beginner. This is obviously not something to jump into, so i would > like to educate myself intellectually before i approach the task. > And if anyone has any suggestions where i can find a list of > associations, groups, etc. of beekeepers in the States i would > appreciate it. the next stage after reading is perhaps to apprentice. > Thank you in advance for any assistance! Article 24144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "doona" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: POLLEN SUPPLEMENT Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <7fqJ4.13937$q67.422183@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:38:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.30.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 955658307 63.36.30.211 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:38:27 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:38:27 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24144 Hi and help! I have read every thing I can find on pollen supplement: but how long will it keep. I'm new at this and I think I made up to much. How long will it Keep? Can I freeze any the bees don't eat it all? any help! Thanks Donna Article 24145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Duragilt Foundation Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 13 Apr 2000 21:35:12 GMT References: <38f86e33.7249602@news.earthlink.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000413173512.09371.00000094@ng-ca1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24145 >If Robert is pulling off large quantities of honey and is able to >extract the same without re-framing his hives each season, all the >more power to him and we'd like to know how he extracts! Most >extractors will blow out these frames or snag a wire with ease, which >is why beekeepers have been forcing bees to draw out on plastic or We lose very little frames year to year, once foundation has made one year it is likely to last for years to come. We mainly lose older frames than anything else. We extract around 300 to 400 boxes a day( depending on the sizes of boxes that were on the hive). The average loss of frames is generally two boxes or less a day. Some days we lose none at all. We use a dakato guiness uncapper(and occassionally a scratcher) and 6 radial extractors. You lose less frames with a smooth reel than segmented. And always start your extractor on low and work your way up for those with smaller extractors. Sometimes slow and steady works a lot better. >Lazy beekeepers? You could see this comment directed to those whom >use pure beeswax since it's easier for bees to get started - but >forcing bees to draw on plastic is not easy. Timing and spacing are >more important when drawing plastic foundation. In the end you have >more robust frames because extractors won't spin out the middle of the >frames. Badly drawn comb can be scraped down right in the field. Point taken, but I also don't believe in making extra work for myself. >Or Robert has wire embedding and extraction tricks down pat for >beeswax foundation. It isn't fun to wire and wax, but you do get really good at it. For those that hate wiring deep frames as much as I do, there is also 6 inch boxes that do not require wiring. Just pop in the foundation a go with it. I can put frames together and wax them on 100 boxes in eight hours. >Sometimes, what you used in the past is the ONLY method/tool >without consideration for technology - especially true in beekeeping. Not all technology is good. oh... and I hate doing cut comb:) Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 24146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic hives Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:32:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8d5ht5$gfo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000412213435.19044.00001371@ng-fh1.aol.com> <8d4klo$jdl$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.91.3.44 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 13 22:32:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.91.3.44 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24146 On your plastic frames/foundation. If they all plastic as I suspect,I hope at least they have a spattering of beeswax on them. I used the pierco frames about 100 of them 10/box on the second story of some hives I started two years ago. During that summer the results varied. Some of the bees went at them like mad and had them all built out in short order others did four/five frames in the center and got fed up with any more wax building. If you're looking for advice here it is: FEED them sugar syrup continuously until the frames are all done. If you get a colony or two that start to balk at building anymore pull the undone ones, insert wooden frames with new foundation into the center of the brood chamber. I've had them finish 3 frames of wax in less than a week this way. Pierco maybe tough to use in places but if you get a frame drawn out it is beauty unseen anywhere else. I've pulled frames of pierco that were entirely filled with brood! A rectangle of wall to wall worker brood. Another method is to take empties from the outside and split the brood area by inserting these. most colonies aggressively develop the center frames anyway. good luck. Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:35:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d3hhm$9ha$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 955665557 nnrp-12:8833 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24147 In article <8d3hhm$9ha$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >thanks James and Peter >faxed and distributed to appropriate parties, in the hope they prevent >destroying bee colonies >will keep you informed of developments >carman I recommend the following books Living with Varroa, A Matheson, IBRA, 1992 New perspectives on varroa, A Matheson (ed), IBRA, 1994 Varroa, Fight the mite!, P Munn & R Jones (eds), IBRA, 1997 IBRA is at http://www.cf.ac.uk/ibra/ and mailto:ibra@cardiff.ac.uk. I looked at the rnoel site quoted in my last posting. It has some excellent stuff on the essential oils as has jim amrine's site also quoted. Some of the regular posters to this group have excellent sites with lots of goodies. -- James Kilty Article 24148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chickens and bees Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:37:07 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8d5i6h$gqa$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.91.3.44 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 13 22:37:07 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.91.3.44 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24148 In article , James Kilty wrote: > In article <8d2sl3$l3f$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, Angela Copi > writes > >I would like to start two hives on an acre lot with free range chickens. > >Does anyone see a problem with this? > I have had few problems except when the cock strutted by the hives and > went off squawking under a tree and took a little while to calm down. > Needless to say, he didn't go near again. Neither does the dog! > -- > James Kilty > Speaking animals, I watched in fear one day as my cat walked calmy on the entrances of five hives in a row and wasn't bothered a whit.my dad's chickens clean up the dead bees in front of the hive in the early mornings before the bees are out. they usually avoid them entirely during flight times. Front AND back. m Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 24149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freddie Cooke" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is there a UK newsgroup. Stoneleigh Meeting Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:11:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8d5kbm$d4i$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <89r68g$31r$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-85.acyclovir.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 955667638 13458 62.136.75.213 (13 Apr 2000 23:13:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2000 23:13:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24149 Hi all, I posted the first enquiry some weeks ago and except for some UK Group URLs I haven't located a UK news group. Perhaps we should all try to meet up at stonleigh and discuss starting one ourselves. I suppose it must be relatively easy to do. I will be there on Saturday, can't make Sunday, and I will try and locate a message board to try and arrange to meet up with one/some/all of you. Freddie Cooke Steve Watkins wrote in message news:uttI4.4292$hh6.127309@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com... > > I am also a Shropshire beekeeper and launch the same query about a UK > newsgroup. I am attending the National at Stoneleigh this week and I am > hoping someone there will know. Alternatively John Phipps (BK Quarterly > Editor) may know. > > Steve. > > Article 24150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone3.tampabay.rr.com!news.rr.com!news3-tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: vertega@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FREE DVD PLAYER!! Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3QtJ4.25392$9F6.6669@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:42:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.205.159 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.tampabay.rr.com 955672959 24.92.205.159 (Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:42:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:42:39 EDT Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24150 Here is a new online site offering a free DVD player as part of a promotion. Can't hurt to try I guess. http://www.ikena.com/downloads/?refCID=dbakriwa Here is another site that is offering a Palm computer. Why not? http://www.jackpot.com/win.asp?ref=105-4980 Article 24151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38F65048.73D721B7@crosslink.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:55:04 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead hives/ what happened? References: <89jc44$1rr$1@tribune.oar.net> <38CE4242.A52D05EB@mich.com> <8bavde$9pi$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> <8bbshc$ag1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ctsdt$7sd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn61.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 955680383 19928 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24151 Mike try the CHECKMITE strips. Last year I did small experiment apistan first, check stickyboard, then remove apistan wait a few days, then insert checkmite strips (same hive) check stickyboard, had over 28 count first 24 hrs. This year (spring) used checkmite , checked stickyboard ZERO . Give it a try. L.E.G. kamtout@together.net wrote: > I haven't checked in this forum for a bit and we're presented now with > one of the most active debates I can ever recall! > If you're wondering what killed your bees look for honey. I they have > honey then they probably didn't starve. Check the litter on the bottom > board. Look HARD! I just lost 13 of 19 the first in 5 years.I've only > lost 3 hives in the previous 4 years. Apistan went in the Fall after we > harvested. The bottom boards are covered with mites anywhere from dozens > to hundreds. > The strips have seen their time come at least for this lineage of mites. > So i'll do what I can to keep bees as best I can and if that means > toxics so be it. I believe that research will prevail. Hopefully it will > mean a better bee and a nontoxic safe (like bacteria) cure. > I have a hard time believing someone is having 'wild' bees drop in their > dead hives. Study your location. Someone elses bees are more than likely > swarming and finding your boxes quite a find. Happens here fairly often. > If you live within one or two swarm hops of a hobbiest or commercial > enterprise your wild bees will have mites. there are so few wild bees > left the only ones that exist are those in such remote areas they have > succesfully avoided contact or range sharing of the bees that have > mites. The last reported number I remember was from tv news last year > that put the wild bee population as about 90% dead. > If they have mites, they will die. period. It might be two winters, but > I've seen mites swell in just one summer to phenomenal levels in a > single hive. > So if you're planning on not medicating plan on watching them turn to > bird feed. It's one of those 'circle of life' kind of things. > Perhaps we should be breeding Asian bees they've been coexisting with th > e mites for quite a time. That's evolution in the works just a few > hundred years ahead of ours. > Does anyone know if Argentina/China/Brazil has the same level of trouble > with the varroa mites? I can bet given the wonderful labor pool and high > standard of living the beekeepers enjoy there that on the 45th day of > every Checkmited hive in the country has there medication removed with > not a chance if it getting in our foreign honey eh? > > Mike > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 24152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8d2lrg$2lm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8d321a$16l$2@lure.pipex.net> <955595683.783651@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8d4nit$ng2$1@news.smartworld.net> Subject: Re: Varoa mite discovered in NZ Lines: 69 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <955684935.211225@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-38.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:03:24 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 955684951 203.96.152.26 (Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:02:31 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:02:31 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:24152 Hello Allen, Many thanks for replying. All I want to do at this stage is try to confirm whether they are present or not. I appreciate that this is extremely difficult given that there may only be one mite in one hive. But I must do my best to help with trying to estimate the extent of the spread in my area. It is difficult. Can't check drone larvae because it is the time of year here where there are no drone larvae. Beginning of autumn when hive numbers are naturally beginning to decrease in numbers. I guess I can say that my hives are not overrun with them as Ican't find any at this stage. I do have the coast on one side of my apiary and that may delay them arriving. I do resign myself to the fact that they will arrive. I enjoy beekeeping so very much that I will not give up and it is just another challenge to the hobby. Even if one we could all do without. MAF and The NZ Beekeeping Association members are working in a radius out from the first reported and confirmed find of the mite. So they will eventually arrive at my place. Although, of course, they are concentrating on the large commercial operations primarily and tracing where these apiaries have sent bees, queens etc. So far no confirmed outbreak in the South Island of NZ, but this could change anytime. Allen, what my using tobacco smoke to try and see if I have them? Again many thanks. All advice for me as a hobbyist is appreciated. Liz (Auckland NZ) Allen Dick wrote in message news:8d4nit$ng2$1@news.smartworld.net... > > I've been through my hives and cannot notice any mites, have checked the > > bodies of the bees and opened quite a few of the capped larvae. Have > > checked out the Varroosis site, which has some excellent information for > us > > folk who have never had to bother before. I need some advice on making > > definitely sure my hives do not have the mites > > That is precisely the pro