Article 23881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Mark Nelsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring Syrup Question Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 08:04:10 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8bvu1i$5of$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net> References: <8bseha$k65$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.ae.a6 X-Server-Date: 30 Mar 2000 16:06:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23881 I think it's called a "doolittle" feeder. Same size as a frame, and fits in one frame's slot. I've got a screen down into it so the bees can crawl in and out. I checked for leakage, and it seems fine. Peter Amschel wrote in message news:MPG.134bc35f71e4aec0989acd@news.pe.net... > What design of a feeder R U using? I used an upside down plastic > pail that I got from Bee Bob. It had holes poked in the plastic > lid and that worked fine but then last month I noted that the > feeder would empty in two days and it turned out there was a > small crack in the bottom of the feeder which was letting the > liquid leak out down into the hive. > > > > In article <8bseha$k65$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>, > mnelsen@mindspring.com says... > > Got a question for the experienced folks (I'm on my 2nd spring with 1 hive). > > > > I've been feeding them 1/1 sugar/water for the last 2 weeks (W. Oregon). > > They are bringing back plenty of pollen on warm 60 deg. days, but rainy 45 > > deg. days they stay in. > > So the question: > > They seem to consume a tremendous amount of this stuff. Only takes 2 days > > to drain the whole feeder (about 2 quarts of syrup set in the upper super). > > Is that normal? And do I have to keep it up until the dandelions/fruit > > trees bloom? > > > > Think I was very lucky, they seemed to end up the winter with little or no > > honey left when I checked back in mid-February. But thriving now. > > > > Mark N. > > > > > > Article 23882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm removal Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:18:19 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8bvuno$3q0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 30 16:18:19 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x42.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.34 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23882 Anyone interested in getting a swarm (actually a bee colony now) out of the wall or attic of a residence in Tallahassee, Florida? I haven't seen it yet because we live about 180 miles from there but I'll get all the information for anyone who interested. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:09:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.204.34 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Mar 30 16:09:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.204.34 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23883 In article <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com>, alizax@aol.com (Alizax) wrote: > We had a feral hive in our back yard, which was fine with me but it bordered > neighbors fence: small children.... > > Had vector control dismantal it; they gave me a small bit of comb in a baggie. > I left it outside for several, maybe four, days--dead bees, comb and all. I > tasted honey that oozed out of the opening. It was delicious. Will I die? > Can I use the honey if I filter it? What should I do? > > Murderess in L.A. The answer to each of your first two questions is, YES, although the two events may not be related. (Unless vector control used poison, but they probably didn't or they wouldn't have given you the comb). What you should do is filter the honey through a clean cotton cloth, like a t-shirt, and use the honey. We've got a similar situation here now. About a week ago I moved some bees out of a wall into a hive box and left some comb with honey, pollen, bee larvae, and a few dead bees in a plastic bowl. Finally last night I set up a funnel and cloth filter to let it drain for a couple of days into a jar. Of course I will die too, but it won't be from eating the honey. :-) Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!triton.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!gw12.bcandid.com.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!tw11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Message-ID: References: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1751 Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: tw11.nn.bcandid.com 954452387 216.100.16.37 (Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:39:47 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:39:47 MST Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:39:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23884 In article <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com says... > Of course I will die too, but it won't be from > eating the honey. > It is said that when God rules the earth, the living will no longer die. But I digress into religious matters again (or did you?) - - anyway, there is a cute solar wax-melter shown on Jim Satterfield's top bar hive page, let's see, at: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/solmltr.htm and it works fine to recover the bees wax, but I have found that different brands of paper towel don't work well for the wax filter. I wonder if cotton cloth like you mention would work better for a wax filter? Article 23885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!206.246.194.8!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E3CD66.AABA2ED0@visi.net> From: Thom Bradley <"thom\"SPAM really is a delicacy\"brad"@visi.net> Organization: Thom's House of Cards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? References: <20000329205645.05976.00000947@ng-fu1.aol.com> <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:56:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp39.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:56:42 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23885 I use #8 (8 holes per inch) screen for a coarse filter in my solar melter. For fine filtering use coffee filters, sweatshirt or T-shirt material, old pillowcase of sheets. All have been suggested and successfully used. Thom Bradley Peter Amschel wrote: > > In article <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, herbcampb@my-deja.com > says... > > Of course I will die too, but it won't be from > > eating the honey. > > > It is said that when God rules the earth, the living will no > longer die. > But I digress into religious matters again (or did you?) - - > anyway, there is a cute solar wax-melter shown on Jim > Satterfield's top bar hive page, let's see, at: > http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/solmltr.htm > and it works fine to recover the bees wax, but I have found that > different brands of paper towel don't work well for the wax > filter. I wonder if cotton cloth like you mention would work > better for a wax filter? Article 23886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Question Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 02:41:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8c1388$dm9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 31 02:41:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23886 Howdy All -- The question is: Do swarms ever leave their hive and go directly to the location the scouts have found? This would skip the clustering. I have not observed this happening, nor have I read of it happening, but I suspect that it does happen sometimes. Has anyone observed this ? Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:06:41 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm Time Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn26.c5200-1.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954471462 24163 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23887 Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave the hive?? I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the right time). Thanks L.E.G. Article 23888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Dan Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wire Crimper Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 04:29:40 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 11 Message-ID: <38e427d3.4381134@news.tco.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23888 Hi All I Am looking for a Wire Crimper that was sold by Brushy Mountain. It is listed on there Web Catalog but they have quit carrying them. If anyone has one and wants to sell it or knows of another Company that have them Please let me know. This is not a Spur Embedder but looks like 2 small gears that crimps the wire. Thanks Dan Article 23889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!news.rr.com!cyclone-midwest.rr.com!typhoon.columbus.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Mike Geis" From: "Mike Geis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeders Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 12:53:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.75.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.columbus.rr.com 954507215 24.95.75.22 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:53:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 07:53:35 EST Organization: Road Runner Columbus Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23889 It seems that there are three types of feeders. There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could replace it without taking off the inner cover. Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the hive in cold weather to replace syrup. I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. Thanks, Mike Geis Article 23890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!142.231.112.2!cyclone.bc.net!news.sfu.ca!not-for-mail From: Craig Adam Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: selection pressures on populations (was Re: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution) Date: 31 Mar 2000 07:36:31 GMT Organization: Simon Fraser University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8c1khv$oi5$1@morgoth.sfu.ca> References: <8bsoji$qpm$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20000329110453.05973.00000986@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fraser.host.sfu.ca X-Trace: morgoth.sfu.ca 954488191 25157 192.168.100.25 (31 Mar 2000 07:36:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.sfu.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 07:36:31 GMT User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (SunOS/5.6 (sun4u)) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23890 Hi all, I have just got a message from a fellow from Russia about this thread, so I did some research to see what's up in the field of bee disease cure/prevention. These two links have some info on imported Russian bees that may have evolved a partial resistance to Varroa: http://www.nalusda.gov/ttic/tektran/data/000008/42/0000084241.html http://www.albertabeekeepers.org/beenews/articles/a05_1197.htm And this link details extremely well, with numerous links, the state of the art in Varroa disease (1999 state of the art though :) It's title: MANAGING VARROA RESISTANCE TO PESTICIDES NOT IF, BUT WHEN I actually did not know that Varroa has become resistant to Apistan, but it appears it is in some places, and of course the resistance is spreading. Apparently Bayer Bee Strips is now the medicine to use? Anyways, it's a really good articale (a bit long) and worth the read. http://www.ifas.ufl.edu:7100/~mts/apishtm/apis99/apfeb99.htm Craig. Article 23891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: selection pressures on populations (was Re: medication (natural or synthetic) and evolution) Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:35:05 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <38e48c16.41599041@news1.radix.net> References: <8bsoji$qpm$1@saltmine.radix.net> <20000329110453.05973.00000986@ng-fu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23891 On 29 Mar 2000 16:04:53 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: ><> > > Facinating question Adam. But before departing for uncharted territory, It's >best to define what you already know. A species is a group of individuals >sharing many characteristics and interbreedng freely. The breeding part is key: >If an animal can no longer interbreed with others of its former kind, then a >new species has developed. Then what are bronze turkeys? Due to their size that they have been bred for they can't beed with each other by themselves and are maintained by arificial insemination. Greg the beekeep Article 23892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Mar 2000 13:33:28 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000331083328.22362.00000054@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23892 Treid em all went back to division board feeders. I put a hole in the corner of the inner cover to make filling easier and disturb the hives less. Lift the telescope cover and fill the feeder through the hole. Make sure to put some floats in the feeders. I use burr comb for floats. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 09:51:20 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 59 Message-ID: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: tMt8XP0rF9RHFBAVtp4P9Q7NLpHtTb8kTYdskBdnuOM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 14:51:22 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23893 Hi Mike, Mike Geis wrote: > > It seems that there are three types of feeders. There are more... > There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar > with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The > disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and > attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. Even if you don't like this kind for feeding, it's useful for providing water in hot weather. > There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted > over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you > have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the > fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. > Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could > replace it without taking off the inner cover. I use this kind mostly. Mine hold 2 gallons so I don't need to refill so often. Needing to cover the bucket is sometimes a pain, but I usually feed when I don't need honey supers, so I can take out the frames and stack 2 empty super boxes on. > Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal > frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a > major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted > wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the > three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the > hive in cold weather to replace syrup. You can also just slide the inner cover over a couple inches without opening it up all the way. Another disadvantage with these is that it's easier for bees to drown in the syrup. If you make sure there are floats, it's safer. > I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three > options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. I like the bucket, except I put the div. board feeder in my nuc box. It can be hard to tell if the bucket starts to leak, but I haven't had much trouble with that. Make sure you get one with at least 2 in. wide screen - I have one with about 3/4" hole (1 gal bucket) and the bees don't take the syrup nearly as fast as with the bigger opening. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!news.servint.com!not-for-mail From: "John A. Taylor" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 13:51:57 -0500 Organization: ServInt Internet Services Lines: 44 Message-ID: <38E4F3CD.438E8AB5@digizen.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.22.32.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.servint.com 954513896 4654 216.22.32.24 (31 Mar 2000 14:44:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.servint.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 14:44:56 GMT To: Mike Geis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23894 With the bucket-feeder method, you don't have to waste a super to cover it.... you can make a simple super-sized cover out of scrap plywood. Instead of buying feeders.... I've made friends with the folks that run the local deli. Every couple of weeks they give me an empty large pickle-type jar, which I poke holes in to make a feeder. I found that lot of bees drown in my division board feeders, even with floats (I use wine corks). Also, depending on who made them, they tend to spread when full. I screwed a small block of wood into the middle at the top to prevent this. Lastly, I've been told that wintering bees are less likely to go to a division board feeder than to go to the bucket-type.... but have no personal opinion on it. Mike Geis wrote: > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > > There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar > with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The > disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and > attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. > > There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted > over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you > have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the > fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. > Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could > replace it without taking off the inner cover. > > Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal > frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a > major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted > wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the > three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the > hive in cold weather to replace syrup. > > I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three > options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. > > Thanks, > > Mike Geis Article 23895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:26:09 -0500 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: W74M2Uz9OnkPXhTTbGzO1fEmgrxLgX7OGuvQZSSsxDM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 21:26:11 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23895 Forgot something... Steve Huston wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Mike Geis wrote: > > > > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > > There are more... Some people use plastic baggies on the inner cover. I've never tried it, but I know people who use nothing else. You get a plastic bag (like a zip-loc 1 quart size) and fill it maybe 3/4 (maybe less) with syrup. Lay it on the inner cover (not over the hole) and then cut a slit in the top of the bag with a razor or utility knife. Put a shallow super or a spacer on top of the inner cover to give the baggie some space. The bees will drink from the slits. I've heard that with a little practice you can refill the bag while it's laying on the cover. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:38:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <8c39dc$peo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Mar 31 22:38:38 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23896 >gmt@crosslink.net wrote: > Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will >leave the hive?? > L.E.G. ***************************************** Howdy LEG -- The great majority of swarms take off in the warmest part of the day. Usually around noon or shortly after. It's an interesting sight to see them leave on their new journey. They make a characteristic sound while in the air before they cluster. In a yard with several colonies which are in a swarm mood, several swarms will leave at about the same time and will often JOIN TOGETHER. They seem to sort out the multiple queen problem without our help. If you hive a swarm as soon as you capture it, they will sometimes leave to join another swarm in the air. That is why I prefer to keep the captured swarm in a cardboard box (apple box etc) and put them in a hive at dusky darm. If a frame or two containing young larvae is included in their new home, they will not leave. They will be too busy feeding the babies. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: RodneyCMoore@webtv.net (Rodney Moore) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: chalkbrood Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 17:45:56 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUApGXt+xxABW/1mzBb0b4HE1P5oTACFF5Zullf9hqTtg+Cncgi46hOR8AO Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23897 I have a stand of bees which I think has chalkbrood. The bees are carrying out dead brood. It looks like it is still in the pupal stage. Only it is dried out. There was several on the landing board and on the ground. What do I do? I have four other stands right beside of them. Are they going to get it too? In the same stand I did also see a wax moth larvae. Could this have something to do with it? Article 23898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Question Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:25:49 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8c3c99$4jj$2@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8c1388$dm9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-208.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954545257 4723 62.136.21.208 (31 Mar 2000 23:27:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 23:27:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23898 Yes - happens frequently - swarms have been observed to leave a hive and go straight into another empty one. However, it is certain that the scouts have already investigated the new home thoroughly. Pete wrote in message news:8c1388$dm9$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > Howdy All -- > > The question is: Do swarms ever leave their hive and go directly > to the location the scouts have found? This would skip the clustering. > > I have not observed this happening, nor have I read of it happening, > but I suspect that it does happen sometimes. > > Has anyone observed this ? > > Pete > > -- > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 23899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:26:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8c3c9a$4jj$3@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-208.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954545258 4723 62.136.21.208 (31 Mar 2000 23:27:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 23:27:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23899 Usually mid-day (12-2) for a prime swarm, but casts can vary much more. L.E.G. wrote in message news:38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net... > Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave > the hive?? > I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the > right time). > Thanks > L.E.G. > Article 23900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:23:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8c3c97$4jj$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-208.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954545255 4723 62.136.21.208 (31 Mar 2000 23:27:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Mar 2000 23:27:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23900 Mike Geis wrote in message news:jd1F4.11330$_c3.77859@typhoon.columbus.rr.com... > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > ------------------------------ ... and you can use fondant (which I consider to be the best and easiest) or just sugar (bags soaked in water or granulated sugar placed on the crown board (inner cover). Article 23901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E543F3.81C2A6C8@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 00:20:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.144.102 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 954548402 24.112.144.102 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:20:02 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 16:20:02 PST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23901 There is one other MAJOR type of feeder - the Miller. It it the one that is the same size as a shallow super and holds about 4 gallons, stays warm from the hive's own heat and can be filled without disturbing the bees too much. Regards, Glen. Mike Geis wrote: > > It seems that there are three types of feeders. > > There is the kind that fits into the entrance hole into which a mason jar > with syrup is placed. The advantage of this is the ease of use. The > disadvantages are that it isn't very useful in really cold weather and > attracts unwanted wildlife (ants, for instance.) This is what I bought. > > There is the bucket feeder with a screened hole in the top that is inverted > over the hole in the inner cover. The disadvantage seems to be that you > have to use a hive body to cover it. The advantage is ease of use and the > fact that it will work well in winter and not attract unwanted wildlife. > Also, if one found one needed to feed in very cold weather, one could > replace it without taking off the inner cover. > > Then there is the frame feeder that is put in the hive in place of a normal > frame. This brings the syrup to the bees directly which seems to me to be a > major advantage -- that and the fact that it would not attract unwanted > wildlife. The major disadvantages seem to me that it is the hardest of the > three to examine for syrup level and could mean one might have to open the > hive in cold weather to replace syrup. > > I am interested in any comments experienced people have about these three > options. I am thinking that the bucket feeder makes the most sense. > > Thanks, > > Mike Geis Article 23902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!199.45.45.8!cyclone1.gnilink.net!typhoon1.gnilink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Melting Honey From: mead-maker@NOHYPHENSbell-atlantic.net (Trask) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <8amthf$r02$1@ionews.ionet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 21 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 01:18:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.156.42.240 X-Trace: typhoon1.gnilink.net 954551896 141.156.42.240 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:18:16 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 20:18:16 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23902 >I have honey in 5 gallon pails that has partially crystallized. >be the best way to melt the honey back to original state without >properties of the honey. If you don't want to take the time to do this consider making contact with a local homebrewing clubs. When I brew mead I'm looking for good tasting, aromatic honey. Crystalization is fine and 2 batches I've done seem to ferment better/faster than liquid honey. Don't know why nor would hazard a guess... Wassail, Chris Sterling, VA --- Head brewer/bottle-washer at Hummingbird Cellars (1 sip will leave 'ya humming) Meads Fermenting: Strawberry, Traditional Bulk-aging or bottled: Apricot, Blackberry, Blueberry(3), Citrus-Ginger, Cyser, Melon, Peach(2), Plum, Pyment, Raspberry(2),Vanilla, Sack, Braggot Article 23903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E54817.FDB8DE35@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wire Crimper References: <38e427d3.4381134@news.tco.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 00:43:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954549827 24.161.116.74 (Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:43:47 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 19:43:47 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23903 Crimper is available from Thomas, a major European equipment supplier (Fay-aux-Loges, France). It is featured on p. 7 of a recent catalog (1996/7 -- item no. 0413, = "Roulette Zig-Zag.") You can request their catalog over the WWW, at: http://www.beekeeping.com/thomas/ Dan Dempsey wrote: > Hi All > > I Am looking for a Wire Crimper that was sold by Brushy Mountain. > It is listed on there Web Catalog but they have quit carrying them. > If anyone has one and wants to sell it or knows of another Company > that have them Please let me know. > > This is not a Spur Embedder but looks like 2 small gears that crimps > the wire. > > Thanks Dan Article 23904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lindagreg5@aol.com (LindaGreg5) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Apr 2000 02:44:49 GMT References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000331214449.18398.00000274@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23904 The best solution I have found is to requeen the hive. The break in brood cycles allows the workers to clean as much of the dead larva out as they can, and to clean the cells. This probably wont "cure" them of this disease. but it will allow the bees to control it. Yes your other hives are probably infected at some level, although it may not be noticable this season. The wax moth is not a vector for this disease, however mites are probably present, and contributed to the hive stress that caused this breakout. Go the the Penn State web site for more on this and other "diseases" Article 23905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: natural hive Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Apr 2000 03:28:10 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Message-ID: <20000331222810.16227.00000310@ng-bh1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23905 Any body ever try to do beekeeping without the aid of any chemicals. Is it possible and under what conditions. Thanks Al Article 23906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!bignews.mediaways.net!news-x.support.nl!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!news2.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail From: "hans" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Jobs Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:24:50 +0200 Organization: EuroNet Internet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8c4fau$1frh$1@buty.wanadoo.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1353.vmw.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: buty.wanadoo.nl 954581150 49009 194.134.199.117 (1 Apr 2000 09:25:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: The appropriate party according to NNTP-Posting-Host: NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Apr 2000 09:25:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23906 If there is anyone in need of new personel for the agricultural sector, they can post there requests in the AgriJobs-database. The form can be found at http://www.agrarischplein.com/vacatures.html This month (April), there will be no charges for posting your requests. Article 23907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.icl.net!bignews.mediaways.net!news-x.support.nl!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!news2.euro.net!news.wanadoo.nl!not-for-mail From: "Jaap Brouwers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ford and Hanomag tractors and shovels Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 11:36:49 +0200 Organization: EuroNet Internet Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8c4g1d$1hhb$1@buty.wanadoo.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1353.vmw.wanadoo.nl X-Trace: buty.wanadoo.nl 954581869 50731 194.134.199.117 (1 Apr 2000 09:37:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: The appropriate party according to NNTP-Posting-Host: NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Apr 2000 09:37:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23907 We're looking for Ford and Hanomag tractors and shovels. If you can help us, please mail us at jaap@oo.nl Article 23908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeders Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 16:54:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8c59j3$r7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.95.162 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 01 16:54:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.95.162 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtimjk Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23908 What I use is two 1 gallon baggies. I fill them both with 1-1/2 gallons of syrup. I lay the baggies directly on top of the frames and make two 2 inch slits per bag. This is really the way to go. Quick and easy and works excellent! Tim Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E632C3.203AC8AD@hotmail.com> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 17:24:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954609893 24.161.116.74 (Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:24:53 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:24:53 EST Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23909 "They say" swarms usually emerge (or break cluster to migrate to a home-site) between 10 AM and 2 PM. I have seen quite a few take to the air almost exactly _at_ 10 am (as if they had read one of the books!). Occasionally they can even come out a little earlier in the AM -- esp. if it is very warm outside. So it depends. But most are somewhere close to mid-day. Nevertheless, one year, on a humid June day, we had some heavy, gusty thunderstorms move through our area. The storms ended around 5 pm, at which time I happened- to be near one of my yards. I decided to stop by just for a brief visit, and upon my arrival, to my surprise, there was a large swarm in the air, coming down to take possession of a stack of old equipment that had been left there. Considering how low the sun was by then, it was quite a late arrival, and rather unusual. Perhaps they didn't want to risk any more time hanging around on some tree limb, in the rain! Similarly, last August I had a swarm "show up" and move into some old supers here at home, and that was around 4 pm. The scout bees had been checking out the empty hive for several days, weeks, in fact, but even on the day when they finally decided to migrate, they didn't embark until quite late. That was rather surprising -- I expected they might arrive and "move in" on some day during the morning hours, but they postponed til well after the typical "10-to-2" window, for some reason. (It had been balmy and sunny througout the day; not particularly hot outside. They could have migrated anytime.) "L.E.G." wrote: > Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave > the hive?? > I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the > right time). > Thanks > L.E.G. Article 23910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.tufts.edu!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: skunk problem Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 19:48:14 -0600 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8c68u7$p7o$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h6-157.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 954640135 25848 63.75.191.157 (2 Apr 2000 01:48:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 01:48:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23910 Hello beekeeps. I have a skunk who is stratching at one of my hives. Do you guys have any suggestions on it. Will it mess up the hive? I will either move it, or remove the animal if found. preacher Article 23911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!news.deakin.edu.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E6BB9F.E386DCD9@deakin.edu.au> From: Adrian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: natural hive References: <20000331222810.16227.00000310@ng-bh1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:16:47 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.132.57.66 X-Trace: news.deakin.edu.au 954645424 139.132.57.66 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:04 EST Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23911 Jajwuth wrote: > Any body ever try to do beekeeping without the aid of any chemicals. Is it > possible and under what conditions. > This depends on what you mean by chemicals... I have kept hives fairly succesfully without any chemical interferance, and in fact lost FEWER hives than when I was working with a friend who uses proprietary doses of terramycin. (his colonies were WIPED OUT by foul brood) The important thing when not using chemicals is that all equipment can be scrupulously cleaned between hives to reduce the chance of spreading infection, and to know what you are looking for and to be able to isolate a hive IMMEDIATELY of you think there are any problems what so ever. In nearly all agricultural areas, chemicals are only there to make the job easier, not necessarily to make the results any better. After all, just about everything we grow has been grown for thousands of years, without chemicals. I hope this answers your question. Adrian. Article 23912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <38E6BF52.45CC5EDE@cybertours.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 22:32:34 -0500 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: April2000 issue Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1398966F8C73A5099CD66167" NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.124 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.124 X-Trace: 1 Apr 2000 22:21:20 -0500, 209.222.80.124 Lines: 43 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.124 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23912 --------------1398966F8C73A5099CD66167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Greetings! 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  --------------1398966F8C73A5099CD66167-- Article 23913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!news.deakin.edu.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E6B5DD.368085E1@deakin.edu.au> From: Adrian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bradford Pear Trees References: <38CEC1BF.DA1ABF8B@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:52:13 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.132.57.66 X-Trace: news.deakin.edu.au 954643950 139.132.57.66 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:52:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:52:30 EST Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23913 All thwe reading I have done, and all the keepers I have spoken to suggest that most fruit trees and their ornamental relatives are not of particularly great value to bees for either nectar or pollen. They have enough of each to attract bees for pollination, but you will NOT buil up a strong hive exclusively on this type of tree. A friend of mine recommends letting bees build up their stores of honey elsewhere before putitng them to work in orchards. "L.E.G." wrote: > Hi > Now ,,,Do Bradford Pear trees have enough necter(if > any) and Pollen for them to benefit the honeybee. > Thanks in advance for your help > L.E.G. Article 23914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie hygiene Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Apr 2000 06:25:27 GMT References: <8b6v1u$b5o$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402012527.02613.00001399@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23914 I too live in the PNW and I do not have trouble with mold in my hives. I think I should beings I live on the SOUND and 1 block from the boat ramp. You simply need to ventilate properly. Laura Article 23915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Baggie Feeders Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38e85efa.115531949@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E4BB68.C3AF7C9A@riverace.com> <38E517F1.A04815A9@riverace.com> <8c59j3$r7p$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 60 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 10:42:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.244.76.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954672156 209.244.76.127 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:42:36 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:42:36 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23915 If you use the 'baggie method", watch your hives carefully. Baggies are an inexpensive, efficient way to feed but the same can be said for quickly killing/demoralizing your hive the same way. Most hives are set at an incline to keep moisture off the bottom board. If baggie feeders leak and drip onto the hive you can create REAL problems for that hive. If it's too cold to drink what's dripped, the hive can be subdued by the cold syrup - or create a fanatic robbing session on the next warm day. Either way, that hive is doomed if you don't catch the drip in time. If you find a hive that has syrup dripping to the bottom board - correct the dripping feeder and immediately replace/wash the bottom board of syrup. You also might have to move the hive if robbing has started. Be prepared for robbing by picking out a site to move hives (best, 3+ miles away) and have gear ready to close and move hives at a moments notice (tape, mesh entrance reducer, hive staples, tie-straps). Remember to remove the leftover baggie before you move any hive. Anytime you see robbing, take action immediately. Don't wait to move that hive until nightfall. If the robbing hasn't escalated and the hive is still big enough to fight, you may just need to reduce the entrance - provided you've removed the syrup that attracted the robbers. Tips on using the baggie method: You can refill the bags directly through the slits. Make sure use razor at least 1-2" away from the sides of the bag leaving approx. 3" slits - 1" apart. Three cuts ought to give the bees plenty of space to drink. Make certain these cuts are in opposite direction of the frames to avoid baggies sinking between frames, allowing the slits to drip. Photos on this subject can be found on Barry Birkey's site: http://www.beesource.com/eob/baggie.htm Great beekeeping season to everyone! Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA >What I use is two 1 gallon baggies. I fill them both with 1-1/2 gallons >of syrup. I lay the baggies directly on top of the frames and make two >2 inch slits per bag. >This is really the way to go. Quick and easy and works excellent! >Tim > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 23916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Time - evidence Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38ea67bd.117775802@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E3CFF0.FAE34EB9@crosslink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 10:56:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.244.76.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954672976 209.244.76.127 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:56:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:56:16 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23916 Last summer a swarm ensued from one of my relocated 'feral' colonies just as I was hiving another not five feet away. The bees in the new hive had been dumped and the queen was located and secured into a queen cage (my way to make certain the swarms stay). The new queen was still in my hand. When the hive 'next-door' started to cluster on a nearby branch, I knew their queen had just landed. I place my hand (with the queen) between the swarming bees and their queen. A few minutes later and I had a picture perfect swarm dripping from my bare hand. They were simply shaken into the new hive with the other bees and the pitiful remainder on the branch with the swarm queen was carted off to an observation hive. This took place during the best weather of the day, around 2pm. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 22:06:41 +0000, "L.E.G." wrote: >Has anyone ever noticed a particular time of day that a swarm will leave >the hive?? >I have never seen it take place (never been at the right place at the >right time). >Thanks >L.E.G. > Article 23917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Another swarm question... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:17:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954695831 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:17:11 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23917 Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to the original colony? And if so, how close is "too close?" I wonder, might this have implications as regarding competition for local forage (e.g., perhaps a more distant site would be more advantageous due to less competition?) I dimly recall reading a paper that dealt with homesite selection, some years ago, which (I think) indicated that swarms _tend_ to choose sites that are some distance away from the parent colony. Maybe some more recent research has delved into the subject. Might someone on the ng have info about this? In any case, I have often set up old, empty hives in my apiaries to attract stray swarms, and have had them occupied, but I always just figured the swarms came from some distance away. Peter's comments in his recent post suggest that swarms can and do sometimes take possession of empty hives right in the vicinity of the parent colony. Maybe even in the same apiary. So I wonder if this is at all common. Thanks for any info--comments--discussion... Joel nr. Ithaca, NY Article 23918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: black Pierco frames -- ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:22:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954696137 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:22:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:22:17 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23918 why are they offering black now, as well as the white? advantages? Article 23919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38E7895F.DDB3384B@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: El cheapo floors & lids? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:46:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.161.116.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 954697603 24.161.116.74 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:46:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:46:43 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23919 Wondering what "minimalist" covers and bottoms might be used by others. Also about combination floors/lids. I use several makeshift combo lids, which are basically 1/2" thick CDX plywood boards cut to fit (same dimensions as the top of a super) and having 3/8" high risers on three edges. When the boards are used as floors, these risers provide the usual bottom entrance across the front of the hive. When used as lids, the flat side of the board is facing down toward the hive body. These seem to work fine, except for a few of them which have warped, either in the hot sun or due to moisture. I did not expect CDX (exterior) plywood to warp, but some of them did. Most stay nice and flat, tho'. I've heard of something called "marine grade" plywood, which might be more reliable, but I'm not quite sure if it is substantially different from regular CDX.(?) (Where might one find this grade plywood, and is it expensive in comparison?) "Migratory" style flat lids are fairly inexpensive, and even used by some northen beekeepers, without inner-covers. But -- how do they hold up, and do the bees winter just as well? Regarding another idea which I have sometimes seen in illustrations, some French beekeepers utilize a very close-fitting sheet-metal telescoping cover, apparently over a wooden inner cover. (Anybody seen these? & is that in fact how they are used?) Seems this type of outer lid would be cheaper and lighter than the usual wooden telescoping cover, while providing similar protection. Interested in any comments, or other ideas for the most inexpensive lids and floors that will serve well, provide adequate protection, and not warp! tnx, J. Article 23920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!triton.skycache.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Apr 2000 19:35:47 GMT References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402153547.22358.00000338@ng-df1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23920 Easy to see eggs and small larvae against black. For us beekeepers with gray hair this is a plus. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another swarm question... Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38ebecc1.151832997@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:24:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.2.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954707077 209.245.2.73 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:24:37 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:24:37 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23921 Whomever knows exactly why bees choose their homes? It's not uncommon to find houses and trees with multiple hives in different parts. Different colonies can coexist separated only by a piece of wood. It doesn't take a leap of faith to observe bees will pick closer hive sites over far away, simply because the chances of finding it are greater. On more than one occasion I've pulled out multiple feral colonies within 50 yards of each other and the similarities are great. There are many clues in a hive besides bee coloring and temperment. Age of the comb and sightings from home owners are great clues to find approximately where the bees came from. Swarmed out bees will build to roughly the same size & type of comb structure (more burr comb/less; straight or jagged comb; size; etc) as they did in the swarmed out colony. The best clues come from the bees themselves but you can never be sure where the hives really came from. Some homeowners think their 'hives' have been populated for the last twenty-five years......by the same colony. Matthew Westall (posting while I can) // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA >Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> > >Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to >the original colony? > >And if so, how close is "too close?" I wonder, might this have >implications as regarding competition for local forage (e.g., perhaps a >more distant site would be more advantageous due to less competition?) Article 23922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <38ecef99.152560475@news.earthlink.net> References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 20:36:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.245.2.73 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 954707809 209.245.2.73 (Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:36:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:36:49 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23922 If you call Pierco, Nick will claim the queens lay better because there's less reflection from the sun with black foundation....... Nick isn't a beekeeper and this observation certainly isn't his own. Truth be told, Tom's suggestion that you can see the eggs better is a GREAT advantage in assessing hive strength and queen management to beginners and commercial beekeepers alike. Instead of searching for new white eggs against a white background, you save minutes by quickly finding the newest eggs (and the queen!) against the black foundation. Who doesn't want to save a few minutes managing their hive? Less stress on the bees and less work searching for eggs/queen (queens can be found next to the new eggs 90% of the time). For expedious bee management, buy the black foundation for the deeps and white for honey supers. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA On Sun, 02 Apr 2000 17:22:17 GMT, JGinNY wrote: >why are they offering black now, as well as the white? >advantages? > Article 23923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Jenn C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:21:51 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23923 As a injection molding tech. Id say they offer black because its cheaper to make. You can use recycled plastic and the contamination isnt visable. I'm sure they dont pass that reduced cost on to you but thats the reason they do it. Dave JGinNY wrote in message <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu>... >why are they offering black now, as well as the white? >advantages? > Article 23924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:15:42 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 954711441 28440 62.136.3.41 (2 Apr 2000 21:37:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 2000 21:37:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23924 You need to be sure that this is chalkbrood. Have a look at the brood in the hive - larvae killed by chalkbrood usually look like mouldy pollen in the cells (white or greyish). There is one key difference between chalkbrood and mouldy pollen and that is that chalkbrood does not affect the head of the larva - so you will always see a yellow dot in the middle of white or grey mass as you look at the cell. Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started treating varroa with thymol crystals. Rodney Moore wrote in message news:2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > I have a stand of bees which I think has chalkbrood. The bees are > carrying out dead brood. It looks like it is still in the pupal stage. > Only it is dried out. There was several on the landing board and on the > ground. What do I do? I have four other stands right beside of them. Are > they going to get it too? In the same stand I did also see a wax moth > larvae. Could this have something to do with it? > Article 23925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another swarm question... Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:04:07 +0100 Message-ID: References: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 954718361 nnrp-06:29663 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 47 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23925 In article <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu>, JGinNY writes >Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> > >Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to >the original colony? No comment on how common. I had a swarm move to a bait hive 4 or 5 feet away and 6 feet in the air last year. I had a friend report on a colony in the side of his house swarm and then move to the other face of the house behind the wooden facing. He didn't say if it went directly or via a tree. I also housed a swarm, which I had allowed to emerge, 5 miles away but it moved to a bigger hive 20 feet away full of old comb. It actually left a half a frame of brood. I had a swarm move to a tree and later to a bait hive about 40 feet from the swarmed stock. I had thought it had come from elsewhere until I looked in what had been a bait hive the previous year which had attracted a swarm from somewhere, possibly a neglected colony about 200 yards away (owner died, empty house). But since I have had a swarm, which I hived on the old site (with the swarmed stock above it, entrance the other way), leave after it produced 3 frames of brood, I now always do the full business: move them 3 miles or more, throw them on to a cloth and let them climb up. I have lost swarms when there were bait hives in the apiary on occasion, so I must presume they go any distance depending on what the scouts find. I have a friend who took a swarm from a tree in his garden which he saw coming over open country from the direction of an apiary over 3 miles away. Since there was no bait hive, which they might have chosen, I can only presume they were on their way somewhere much further and needed a break from flying. I don't know the weather or time of day. I have also walked with a swarm in a direct line to the corner of the roof of a large house where I had seen bees taking a look. Fortunately it started to rain and they collected in a tree at a height easy to take, unlike the tree they had gone into. If I was right about the target, it was about a hundred yards from the hive. I do inspect on a 7 day basis but occasionally miss out. That's when Murphy's law of swarm prevention comes in. They go when you turn your back (i.e. on the 8th day when you don't go). -- James Kilty Article 23926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 01:08:08 GMT References: <8c68u7$p7o$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402210808.16505.00000438@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23926 Put down nail boards around front of hive. Use bungee cords to keep the cover from being knocked off. I use an asphalt shingle with nails pushed through for my nail board, because 1) the nails go through with the push of my hand so there is no hammering to give you carpal tunnel, and 2) when you step on nails sticking through an asphalt shingle, they tend to lean to the side rather than going through your shoe. In my successful experience thwarting skunks and raccoons, soft paws are not risked on sharp nails. Article 23927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: natural hive Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 01:13:52 GMT References: <38E6BB9F.E386DCD9@deakin.edu.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402211352.16505.00000439@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23927 Adrian wrote: <> Terramycin is not a chemical. TM is derived from a naturally occuring substance. It's manufactured from fungi. Terramycin is listed in a chart titled "Pesticides Often Accepted for Use On or Around Some Types of Organically Grown Produce" in a book called "Pests of the Garden and Small Farm" (2nd edition) by Mary Louise Flint, director of IPM Education and Publications for the California IPM Project, and an extension entomologist at UC Davis. The book was published in 1998, so until the new U.S. federal regs. kicked in recently, this was probably the most current thinking on organic pesticide use in the state of California, and maybe nationally. California regulations are significant nationwide because so much of its produce is sold elsewhere. I've purchased organics in Massachusetts marked "Certified Organic in the State of California." Article 23928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: alizax@aol.com (Alizax) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Apr 2000 01:32:06 GMT References: <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000402213206.07339.00000457@ng-ct1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23928 Thank you all for your replies. Another questions relating to below: >We've got a similar situation here now. About a week ago I moved some bees out of a wall into a hive box and left some comb with honey, pollen, bee larvae, and a few dead bees in a plastic bowl. Finally last night I set up a funnel and cloth filter to let it drain for a couple of days into a jar. Of course I will die too, but it won't be from eating the honey. :-) Just to make sure I understand: There were quite a few bees plus who knows what in the baggie--for a week!!! No poison. I did strain the honey through a sieve and several layers of cheesecloth, which did the trick. The honey is good, but it has a little taste: are you sure I'm not tasting essence of dead bee? Thanks, again, --A little squeamish in L.A. Article 23929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!cyclone.southeast.rr.com!cyclone-southeast.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-southeast.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!attmt1!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:23:25 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 60 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust177.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8c92e4$cnl$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> <38ecef99.152560475@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust177.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23929 > >why are they offering black now, as well as the white? > >advantages? > Truth be told, Tom's suggestion that you can see the eggs better is a > GREAT advantage in assessing hive strength and queen management to > beginners and commercial beekeepers alike. That's one thing. The other is that I demanded it when I bought 10,000. I think others did too. We discussed this on BEE-L and the consensus grew. I remember when they experimented with green (ugh). I came across one in the brood chamber the other day. Why did I want black? Actually I wanted a deep chocolate brown, but they could not get it at a cost I could afford. I wanted that colour because we used to produce tens of thousands of Ross Rounds (See http://www.RossRounds.com ). We had RR frames that were white, frames that were light brown, and frames that were the deep brown they sell today. Our (non-beekeeper) staff that unloaded the frames and packaged the combs always remarked that the bees made more and better combs in the dark frames. Was it the colour, or some other subtle difference, I don't know, but I do know that I did not want to take a chance when I could get a dark colour. Also, white Pierco frames soon look dirty. Is black *really* better? I don't know, but -- if I am not telling tales out of school -- a researcher will be testing ten hives started on white Permadent against ten colonies started on black Permadent this summer. Stay tuned. We know that black bodies and white bodies react differently in respect to heat radiation. If we see a difference in performance, then we can make up a theory. Speaking of Pierco, did you know that the Pierco foundation uses a slightly smaller cell size (~5.25mm) than other foundation (~5.4mm)? A frame of Pierco holds 20% more brood than a frame of Permadent, partly due to the smaller cell, and partly due to the smaller top bar . That additional brood density can be important in the spring in the north country when a few old bees try to cover as much brood as they can feed. As for the question of cell size, do larger cells make larger bees? MAYBE. Work from the beginning of the last century seemed to show that to be true -- but only by a small amount. Are bigger bees any better? Who knows. They are in theory -- some theory, at least., but recently, the trend has been to think that smaller cells are better. If the people who say that are right, then Pierco has stolen a march on all the other foundation producers. Visit http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ to find out more about this and other fascinating topics. There is some discussion of colour of foundation in the BEE-L logs (can bees see in the dark?) and sci.ag.bee archives. Both are easily accessible from link at the top of the page. Also some ideas on the new worker cell size controversy can be found on the "Comparing Worker Comb" link. If you have top bar hives, have some swarm-made wild comb around, or live outside North America, we particularly want to hear from you. allen Article 23930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Did I mess it up? Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 11:11:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8c9u90$l2b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8bvu7e$33m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000402213206.07339.00000457@ng-ct1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.49 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 03 11:11:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.49 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23930 In article <20000402213206.07339.00000457@ng-ct1.aol.com>, alizax@aol.com (Alizax) wrote: ... The honey is good, but it has a little taste: are you sure I'm not tasting essence of dead bee? > Thanks, again, > --A little squeamish in L.A. Dear squeamish, Entirely possible but I don't know what dead bees taste like. I've eaten larvae right out of the cells and they don't have much taste at all. My recommendation (for you, not me) is to taste a dead bee and see if you pick up the same taste. :-) Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: skunk problem Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:39:01 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 24 Message-ID: <38E8E545.AEE44D9A@riverace.com> References: <8c68u7$p7o$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: hgPqWPDdPINIC/WGGokgU66c7Fp165C3n7zFF+yDAyA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 18:39:03 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23931 You can roll up a piece of 4-5 ft chicken wire into a roll about 1 ft diameter. Put it in front of the hive entrance. Skunks don't like to walk on the wire. You can also raise your hive(s) about 8-12 inches higher off the ground - if skunks have to get up on their hind feet to reach the opening, they expose their underbellies which are significantly more prone to stings. -Steve Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > > Hello beekeeps. > I have a skunk who is stratching at one of my hives. Do you guys have any > suggestions on it. > Will it mess up the hive? I will either move it, or remove the animal if > found. > preacher -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 23932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: steven@newport47.fsnet.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mapping bee wings Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:01:07 GMT Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-11.porcupine-puffer.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 954799674 3119 62.137.50.139 (3 Apr 2000 22:07:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 22:07:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23932 Somebody I heard the other day was discussing a method by which you could section the wing of a bee and make a graph from the various veins etc to confirm the strain of bee you have is consistent. Does anybody have more info on this? What is it called? Any idea where I can read more about it? Thanks Steve Newport Article 23933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed2.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Another swarm question... Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 22:43:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8cb78b$5jg$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-236.magnesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 954802251 5744 62.136.11.236 (3 Apr 2000 22:50:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Apr 2000 22:50:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23933 Preferred distance is said to be a quarter of a mile. JGinNY wrote in message news:38E78273.11835894@cornell.edu... > Regarding swarm behavior, anybody know----> > > Is a swarm likely to prefer a distant home-site to one that is close to > the original colony? > Article 23934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38E7895F.DDB3384B@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: El cheapo floors & lids? Lines: 54 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954805301 12.72.41.88 (Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:41 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23934 I make all my bottoms and tops (migratory) out of 1 x 6 rough redwood fencing boards. Cheap, decay resistant, stable, and easy to work with. The only disadvantage is that the nice bright white paint soon turns pink! Left unpainted, it will weather to a nice gray color. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "JGinNY" wrote in message news:38E7895F.DDB3384B@cornell.edu... > Wondering what "minimalist" covers and bottoms might be used by others. > Also about combination floors/lids. > > I use several makeshift combo lids, which are basically 1/2" thick CDX > plywood boards cut to fit (same dimensions as the top of a super) and > having 3/8" high risers on three edges. When the boards are used as > floors, these risers provide the usual bottom entrance across the front > of the hive. When used as lids, the flat side of the board is facing > down toward the hive body. > > These seem to work fine, except for a few of them which have warped, > either in the hot sun or due to moisture. I did not expect CDX > (exterior) plywood to warp, but some of them did. Most stay nice and > flat, tho'. > > I've heard of something called "marine grade" plywood, which might be > more reliable, but I'm not quite sure if it is substantially different > from regular CDX.(?) (Where might one find this grade plywood, and is > it expensive in comparison?) > > "Migratory" style flat lids are fairly inexpensive, and even used by > some northen beekeepers, without inner-covers. But -- how do they hold > up, and do the bees winter just as well? > > Regarding another idea which I have sometimes seen in illustrations, > some French beekeepers utilize a very close-fitting sheet-metal > telescoping cover, apparently over a wooden inner cover. (Anybody seen > these? & is that in fact how they are used?) Seems this type of outer > lid would be cheaper and lighter than the usual wooden telescoping > cover, while providing similar protection. > > Interested in any comments, or other ideas for the most inexpensive lids > and floors that will serve well, provide adequate protection, and not > warp! > > tnx, > J. Article 23935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu> Subject: Re: black Pierco frames -- ?? Lines: 23 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.88 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954805299 12.72.41.88 (Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 23:41:39 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23935 I use Pierco almost exclusively. When I cull old wood/wax frames, the wax is replaced with snap-in plastic if the wood is still serviceable. So I am a big fan of plastics (remember "The Graduate"). I think the argument that eggs are more visible against the black is a short-lived advantage as the white will take on a brown color as brood are reared. I have stayed away from the black for only 1 reason. Our summers are typically over 105 F and all that black just absorbs too much heat when working the hives. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "JGinNY" wrote in message news:38E783A2.CF702515@cornell.edu... > why are they offering black now, as well as the white? > advantages? > Article 23936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net> Subject: Re: Mapping bee wings Lines: 26 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:43:08 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.232.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 954830665 159.134.232.64 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:44:25 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 07:44:25 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23936 It is called morphology, and is a method by measuring various features f bees to determine the race of the bees and whether they are hybrids. for the wings you need to get a good enlargement of the wings and then take the ratio of the length of two particular veins in the wing. The alignment of the veins is also important. Further information is available in "THE DARK EUROPEAN HONEY BEE" available from BIBBA. Ruary Rudd rrudd@eircom.net Steve Newport wrote in message news:38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net... > Somebody I heard the other day was discussing a method by which you > could section the wing of a bee and make a graph from the various > veins etc to confirm the strain of bee you have is consistent. > > Does anybody have more info on this? > What is it called? > Any idea where I can read more about it? > > Thanks > Steve Newport Article 23937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: excluders? TO use or not to use? Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 09:04:41 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 9 Message-ID: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ren49-04.labs.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 954864281 21941 129.101.6.210 (4 Apr 2000 16:04:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2000 16:04:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23937 My sisters hive (my old hive) has swarmed 4 times in 5 days!(now she has three hives and sold one swarm!) She had some local beekeeping gu-ru stop by and take a look. He immediatly took the queen excluder out and said that he doesn't use them. Doesn't this cause problems with harvesting, etc?? He said that there wasn't enough room, etc. and that is why they are swarming. The brood is one deep and one medium body (rotated in mid march) the rest of the hive consisted of three medium bodies. Also, there was no sign of mites, etc, infestation. Article 23938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: excluders? TO use or not to use? Lines: 48 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.47.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 954870153 12.72.47.225 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 17:42:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23938 A QX will not by itself cause the bees to swarm. I assume the QX was on top of the deep and medium since you say this is the brood chamber. If the bees are reluctant to go thru the QX then the bodies below can become "plugged" with nectar. The best way to overcome this reluctance is to provide an entrance above the QX. This can be done in several ways but the quickest is to just stager the supers forward about 1/2". Just because the guru doesn't use them doesn't mean they are bad. There are many ways to keep bees properly and probably more ways to keep them improperly. Some queens have a tendency to go up as high as they can and some will stay below so the decision to use a QX can be made on an individual colony basis. If I find a queen starts to lay in the first super when there is plenty of room below, I will put her below and add a QX. If I want comb honey, they ALWAYS get a QX before I add the super. If you find a bunch of brood in your honey supers that you want to harvest, find the queen and put her below a QX. After 3 weeks there will be no more brood above the QX. Other things to consider: How old is the queen? What race of bees? (some have a high tendency to swarm) Is 1 deep and 1 medium enough of a brood chamber? (consider 2 deep or 3 medium) Did reversing contribute to the problem? (poorly timed it can make things worse) -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message news:38EA1299.6263F60E@uidaho.edu... > My sisters hive (my old hive) has swarmed 4 times in 5 days!(now she has > three hives and sold one swarm!) She had some local beekeeping gu-ru > stop by and take a look. He immediatly took the queen excluder out and > said that he doesn't use them. Doesn't this cause problems with > harvesting, etc?? He said that there wasn't enough room, etc. and that > is why they are swarming. The brood is one deep and one medium body > (rotated in mid march) the rest of the hive consisted of three medium > bodies. Also, there was no sign of mites, etc, infestation. > Article 23939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive splits Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:26:29 -0400 Organization: Information Technology, Lambton College Lines: 12 Message-ID: <38EA25C5.A28D590@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23939 I currently have two hives and would like to double that this spring. I was wondering what is the best way to perform a hive split. I understand that requeening from a reputable supplier is best to minimize 'down time' and also to promote particular traits. (mite resitance, etc). Should I distance the 'new' hive from the old one? thanks, -- Mark Veltman Article 23940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A.Poluektov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:40:38 +0400 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ip45.parma.ru Message-ID: <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: ns.parma.ru X-Trace: 4 Apr 2000 14:30:55 +0400, ns.parma.ru Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news2.aha.ru!news.rosprint.net!news.parma.ru!ip45.parma.ru Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23940 >Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it >has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started >treating varroa with thymol crystals. > Peter, give please me the answer. Than you treated earlier varroa? The last five years I treated varroa by a remedy of which contains amitraz. And all five years I have chalkbrood. Now I think that this remedy probably promotes increase chalkbrood. A this year I want to try treating with thymol crystals. How you it carry out? Andrey Article 23941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail From: "RATIA Gilles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New pages - 2000 - from the "Virtual Beekeeping Gallery" Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:25:48 +0200 Organization: APISERVICES Lines: 73 Message-ID: <8ccn82$pvp$2@wanadoo.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: integ-bordeaux-107-137.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 954851394 26617 193.250.109.137 (4 Apr 2000 12:29:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2000 12:29:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23941 Go to http://www.beekeeping.com/ and you can find new pages : 29/03/00 - À propos des antibiotiques en usage apicole - Jean-Marie Barbançon 29/03/00 - Himalayan ceranaid: development assistance to preserve and promote Apis cerana beekeeping in Nepal - Conrad Bérubé 28/03/00 - Nassenheider Beekeeping equipment 28/03/00 - Des Locomotives et des Abeilles Livre de Lucien Adam 28/03/00 - Le Guide de l'Apiculteu Livre (nouvelle édition) de Jean-Marie Philippe 28/03/00 - Secrets de plantes dévoilés par un apiculteur Livre de Jean Hannoteaux 27/03/00 - The Sensory Basis of the Honeybee's Dance - Language W.H. 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G. ;-)) Gilles RATIA Apiservices Article 23942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: chalkbrood Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:43:20 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8cdo4u$oeq$2@front4m.grolier.fr> References: <2818-38E52AA4-48@storefull-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <8c8eih$roo$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> <38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-62-68.wly.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front4m.grolier.fr 954885086 25050 213.44.62.68 (4 Apr 2000 21:51:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2000 21:51:26 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23942 Hi, One trick I was told to be very efficient is to pour one handful of kitchen salt once a week two or three time into the hive. Just try.... -- apipop N 43.64° / E 3.96° [WGS84] _ A.Poluektov a écrit dans le message : 38e9ba3c@news.parma.ru... > >Incidentally, I used to see a great deal of chalkbrood in the spring but it > >has been virtually absent for the last three years, i.e. since I started > >treating varroa with thymol crystals. > > > Peter, give please me the answer. > Than you treated earlier varroa? > The last five years I treated varroa by a remedy of which contains amitraz. > And all five years I have chalkbrood. > Now I think that this remedy probably promotes increase chalkbrood. > A this year I want to try treating with thymol crystals. > How you it carry out? > Andrey > > Article 23943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: maevesvole@aol.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1 box 2 queens Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:31:35 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8cdu0o$3u8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.47.217.79 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 04 23:31:35 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 204.47.217.79 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjohnmaeve Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23943 I was planning on starting a hive this spring and have ordered a box of bees (4 pounds and a queen) which arrives in a couple of weeks I have now decided that two hives would be better than one. Is there any rule against just getting another queen ($10 instead of $50 for another package) and splitting the 4# package between the two hives? They'll be starting w/ drawn comb in the brood boxes (I bought from someone getting out of beekeeping.) I figure that if I start feeding right away (in addition to some frames of honey left in the brood boxes) and they have brood comb already drawn, then the queen can start laying right away. That in combination with the nectar flow of fruit trees in Seattle (where the bees will be) should give them plenty of access to food. I'm hoping this will overcome the fact that each hive only starts w/ 2# each. Any thoughts on this arrangement? John Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hanging on front of hive Message-ID: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 7 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:00:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 954864043 216.80.168.199 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:00:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:00:43 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23944 I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive Message-ID: <38ea83d6.32953245@news.usit.net> References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:14:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 954893669 216.80.168.200 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:14:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:14:29 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23945 If this means this hive is ready to swarm what should I do? I have a new hive set up beside this hive with 10 plastic frames not drawn and no new queen. I do have to go to work tomorrow is there any way of containing these bees till tomorrow afternoon at best. What steps do I take to prepare this new hive? I have another swarm trap setup a few feet away. On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 16:00:44 GMT, gfdavis@usit.net" wrote: >I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on >front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This >morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full >or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in >southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and >is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are >all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2smart2late@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where 'o' where to put it Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 00:38:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.29.69.104 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 01 03:05:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.29.69.104 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23946 Is there an ideal location to place a hive? How much direct sun light and/or shade? Can it be placed on edge of wood lot? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!test-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!rQ66!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:31:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <38EA978D.62D5F02E@kingston.net> References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23947 I too would agree with George. It sounds like they may be preparing to swarm. Check for swarm cells is the only sure sign. If you find them you could try splitting the hive. Move the queen and brood to the new hive and leave a swarm cell behind and let the hive requeen itself. All the foragers will be in the original. It's like your simulating a swarm. Good luck. Kent Article 23948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EA54A2.853E5ABE@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 20:46:27 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advise Needed References: <8b562g$ieu@chronicle.concentric.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn13.c5200-4.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954898642 6894 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23948 Hi Bill and Cherry Bee's don't like to get wet, waterhose every night should do it. Anyway I wanted to ask you what do you give your dog for beestings? Mine(Lab) got a sting the other day, above the eye and it swelled a bit(cro-magnon dog) and was gone in about 8 hrs. Thanks L.E.G. Bill & Cherry wrote: > Hello, > > We've had a swarm/hive/herd/pack/bunch (?) of bees move in under our storage > shed and want to encourage them to move somewhere else. Are there any > non-toxic methods that will work? We don't want to and can't use pesticides > because tortoises also live under the shed. The bees don't appear to be > aggressive but one of the dogs is allergic to bee stings and I'm afraid of > them. My fear, irrational or not, has made it impossible for me to enjoy > the backyard. If anyone has any suggestions or advise it would be > appreciated. We are located in Central Arizona. > > Thanks for your assistance. > > Cherry Article 23949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38EA599C.17150797@crosslink.net> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:07:40 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hanging on front of hive References: <38ea100a.3305006@news.usit.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn13.c5200-4.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 954899916 6896 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23949 Have you put on honeysupers yet? I'll bet it was above 70 degrees! All the hives I've seen (strong one's) ventilate the hive when temps. rise. I don't think a hand full of bees at entrance is swarm warning.In the past I've seen a bucket full on outside of hive in the 90 degree plus days. "gfdavis"@usit.net\"\" wrote: > I noticed one hive yesterday evening about a hand full of bees on > front of hive but when it started raining they all went in. This > morning they were back out 2 handfulls on front of hive and hand full > or more on the ground. the hive is roaring pretty good also. I live in > southwest va. anyone have idea this hive is going into 2nd year. and > is very strong up until now I don't know if the bees on the ground are > all dead some seem to be moving any suggestions Article 23950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ct.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Val Garden72P" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000319164656.18750.00002604@ng-fq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: plants Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 02:58:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.7.10.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ct.home.com 954903480 24.7.10.83 (Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:58:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 19:58:00 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23950 Witch Hazel blooms in the fall here in New England - after the frost, and as its leaves are just falling.... Pussy Willows are a great early spring flower, lots of them turning yellow now. Dandelions are big, quickly followed by so many of the spring wildflowers. Mustard, especially... And soon, the long blue tassels of wisteria. For all-summer blooming, quite a few roses that were crossed with the Asian roses will bloom repeatedly through the summer - makes a nice thorny addition to a fence, extra deterrant for invaders but pretty, too. For quick-growing vines (die back to the ground each year) it's hard to beat HOPS. Yes, hops such as one flavors/preserves beer with. Lots of flowers, they are green however and not a huge color contrast. Smell good, though. Plenty of other nice viney things, have fun! Val BeeCrofter wrote in message news:20000319164656.18750.00002604@ng-fq1.aol.com... > Once it is warm the bees can go for miles. What is really benneficial is an > early source of pollen closae at hand. Pussy Willows ,Witch Hazel come to mind > first > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 23951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where 'o' where to put it Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:20:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8cebe7$ihb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8ce1t6$858$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 05 03:20:52 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23951 , > 2smart2late@my-deja.com wrote: > Is there an ideal location to place a hive? ****************************************************** Howdy 2-2 -- We find feral bees in all sorts of loctions, -- But if you have a choice, at the edge of woods facing East. Early morning sunlight will wake them up and the woods will shade to help prevent overheating in the hottest part of the day. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 23952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1 box 2 queens Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 03:27:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8cebqm$j3b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8cdu0o$3u8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Apr 05 03:27:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x35.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:23952 maevesvole@aol.com wrote: > I'm hoping this will overcome the fact that each hive only > starts w/ 2# each. > Any thoughts on this arrangement? > > John **************************************************** Howdy John -- You should do ok with this plan. I have started with 2# pkgs successfully, but it is slower than the larger packages. Continue to feed liberally in order t