From bartwantsnospam@gn.apc.org Fri Apr 2 07:25:57 EST 1999 Article: 16344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: bartwantsnospam@gn.apc.org (Bart Maguire) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Crabs Date: Sat, 27 Mar 1999 02:40:07 GMT Organization: GreenNet Ltd Sender: bart@userk718.uk.uudial.com Message-ID: <36fc44ee.33326250@news.gn.apc.org> Reply-To: bartwantsnospam@gn.apc.org NNTP-Posting-Host: userk718.uk.uudial.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 8 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.gn.apc.org!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16344 Having spent some days clearing part of the garden I am about to plant some apple trees (seven M26 rootstocks with three varieties on each). I have a Wisley crab apple to act as a pollinator for the other trees. Is there an accepted position for planting the crab apple in case I want to keep bees in the future - don't commercial orchards plant the pollinator at the ends of the rows? -- Bart From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Apr 2 07:25:57 EST 1999 Article: 16345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Presentation Date: Thu, 01 Apr 99 06:43:36 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <183135E9CS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <36FFD47F.A11AAABA@aug.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-west1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!bingnews.binghamton.edu!cscnews!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16345 In article <36FFD47F.A11AAABA@aug.edu> Timothy Dobbs writes: > Can any one suggest a site that has various photos > of bees that I can print out for these kids? > The mother load of bee photos will be found at: http://www. photovault.com/Link/OrdersEntomologyInsects/BeesHymenoptera/OEBVolume01-02.html I think this site also sets a record for the longest URL! (Note, the above URL won't fit on a single line, it must be entered as http://www.photovault.com/.... ) Also be warned that it takes a long time to load due the the vast number of photos it contains. But is IS the mother load! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri Apr 2 07:25:58 EST 1999 Article: 16346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7dum1f$7t$1@news1.Radix.Net> Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <3GMM2.217$As.15133@news15.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.142 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 922982143 209.69.69.142 (Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:55:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:55:43 EST Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:58:55 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16346 Kelly used to sell plastic hive bodies back in the 70's- I have seen old ads for them. Kelly still sells plastic lids and bottom boards. The lids are great, but the bottom boards flex too much- maybe the bodies had the same problem.... Ellen From msimics@direct.ca Fri Apr 2 07:25:59 EST 1999 Article: 16347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsgate.direct.ca!not-for-mail From: "Michael Simics" Subject: Bee venom coll. training course Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Apitronic Services Message-ID: <01be7c69$d306c880$698742d8@michael> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:07:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.66.135.105 X-Trace: newsgate.direct.ca 922990066 216.66.135.105 (Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:07:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 10:07:46 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16347 Hi All, A beginner bee venom collection training course will be held on Sept. 15, 1999 during the Apimondia '99. Please visit http://www.beevenom.com for more information. Sincerely, Michael Simics Apitronic Services msimics@direct.ca http://www.beevenom.com http://www.corp.direct.ca/beevenom/ From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Fri Apr 2 07:25:59 EST 1999 Article: 16348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3703AC32.CF931967@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Conglomo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Beard? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:26:15 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 922990521 24.92.236.85 (Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:15:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:15:21 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16348 I am making a bee beard. Seen some pictures of people who keep their bees that way. I guess it's a good idea, because you don't need to buy any hives. So far, so good, but really, it's pretty painful. Is this normal? If I put foundation on my chin, will thebees make honey right there, where it's convenient? thank you! Leonard Pinth-Garnell From honeybs@radix.net Fri Apr 2 07:26:00 EST 1999 Article: 16349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:50:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7e0jic$h09$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7dum1f$7t$1@news1.Radix.Net> <3GMM2.217$As.15133@news15.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port15.annex1.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16349 "Anglin" wrote: >Kelly used to sell plastic hive bodies back in the 70's- I have seen old ads >for them. Kelly still sells plastic lids and bottom boards. The lids are >great, but the bottom boards flex too much- maybe the bodies had the same >problem.... >Ellen The only thing the plastic lids are good for is if you turn them upside down and put small rocks in them. They then collect rain water and water the bees. Just my humble opinion. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Apr 2 07:26:00 EST 1999 Article: 16350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anole sunning on porch of hive Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:02:32 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <370289DE.7A0@unc.edu> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Apr 1999 01:05:12 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 1 17:15:02 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust17.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37041728.2987@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16350 Eileen Gregory wrote: > > On several occasions during the past week I've noticed an Anole sunning > itself on the porch of my beehive. Can anyone tell me whether Anoles > eat bees or would be harmful in any other way to the bees? Due to a > dumb decision last Fall to rearrange the supers the bees have been > coming and going via the top of the hive, so there's a fairly good > chance that there has been very little bee/Anole interaction, and maybe > it just uses the hive for shelter. What do you think? > Thanks for advice, > Eileen Gregory > obvious novice beekeeper I do not know what an Aole is. Might it be a bird or lizzard or what? Don From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Fri Apr 2 07:26:01 EST 1999 Article: 16351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!peer.news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mineral oil treatment Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 21:19:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 923019860 24.93.149.35 (Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:24:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 18:24:20 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16351 In 19 years of beekeeping I've had my share of good years and bad, but none so discouraging as those first seasons of varroa mites here in southern Maine. Menthol, grease patties, nothing seemed effective. I was on the verge of quitting after a hard winter 2 years ago. Aspitan, though expensive, seemed to control the tracheal mites, but the varroa had free reign during the honeyflow. I started following this newsgroup 2 years ago and it has been quite an education. Perhaps the most significant thing I learned is a mineral oil treatment which has all but eliminated varroa mites in my hives. The winter has been relatively mild, which is a factor, but my hives have never been stronger. Plans for this treatment can be seen at http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/mineral_part2.html. I want to thank the people at Midnite bee for posting such valuable information and I want to thank all of you at this newsgroup for being helpful, knowledgeable and humorous. You too Hk1BeeMan. From e.engelhard@worldnet.att.net Fri Apr 2 07:26:01 EST 1999 Article: 16352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.16!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "Eric Engelhard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Beard? Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:35:13 +0200 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7e1apt$k4h$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <3703AC32.CF931967@twcny.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.san-francisco-01-02rs.ca.dial-access.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 923020925 20625 12.72.0.158 (2 Apr 1999 02:42:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 1999 02:42:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16352 JGinNY wrote in message <3703AC32.CF931967@twcny.rr.com>... >I am making a bee beard... After having made a lot of mead? Now let this be a lesson to us all. Never leave your keyboard unattended on April 1st. Big Smiles, Eric Engelhard, Ph.D. Owner Charmed Life From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Apr 2 07:26:02 EST 1999 Article: 16353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.winstar.net!news.good.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!lsanca1-snf1!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 Questions?? Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 20:06:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Apr 1999 01:08:55 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 1 17:15:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust17.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37041807.3A93@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Lines: 24 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16353 Jim S wrote: > > Well, I decided to jump into the hobby and have > a couple questions. I just picked up some woodenware > and foundation today. > > 1. What precautions should I take with foundation that > may not be used for a couple months or next year? > Keep it flat on a shelf. I'm using some thet is several years old. Don't mess with it when it is too cold. > 2. Regarding painting hives, I read to only paint the > outside. From what I understand the bottom board > is reversible for a summer or winter entrance, so > either side could be the exterior (or interior!). Should > I paint both sides or neither? I'm planning on priming > the bare wood and using an exterior grade latex paint > - light color...OK? Yes You need not paint the inside. The bees coat it really well and if you reverse the bottom they will take care of that also. > > Thanks > Jim > Dallas, TX USA > http://www.ticnet.com/dfw-rc-net/ From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Apr 2 07:26:03 EST 1999 Article: 16354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!chicago-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about B.J. Sherriff bee suit. Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 19:58:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7dqh1s$g3s@news1.snet.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Apr 1999 01:01:03 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 1 17:05:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 13 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust17.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3704162E.E97@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16354 npatt@snet.net wrote: > > I just purchased a B.J. Sherrif "Apiararist" suit. A couple of questions: > > Should I wear a hat under the veil? I notice the material sits very close to the back of my neck and ears with out one. > Can they sting through the material easily? > I am using the suit mainly to collect yellowjackets and hornets and would hate to have my ears stung through the material. > > Any of your lessons from experience with this suit may save me some pain! > > Norman Patterson > npatt@snet.net Just dont rub or scratch your nose with a bee on the veil. From etwild@aol.com Fri Apr 2 07:26:03 EST 1999 Article: 16355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: etwild@aol.com (ETWild) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is the best bee suit for AHB ??? Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Mar 1999 23:31:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7dppa2$hjq$1@fir.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <19990331183135.08310.00000317@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16355 >Subject: What is the best bee suit for AHB ??? >From: "Richard Edwards" >Now that AHB are in my county, I want to get a better suit. I vaguely >recall seeing a suit that had a zip-on veil and zip-on gloves, but I cannot >locate it. > >What suit are the South American folks using? In Paraguay, it is very common for people to just use an old long-sleeve shirt or two and long pants, same old bee veil, and rubber dishwashing gloves for working with AHB. I recall doing hive inspections with an Ache indian who was wearing only shorts! He used a lot of smoke, though. What made a lot of difference was the color of the clothes: White is always the best! Alex Wild alex_wild@hotmail.com From redbeard7@geocities.com Fri Apr 2 07:26:04 EST 1999 Article: 16356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.inc.net!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.csd.net!not-for-mail From: "Redbeard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Colony Status Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 02:52:55 -0700 Organization: Computer Systems Design Company Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7e23lt$r1l$2@apollo.csd.net> References: <37018959.3742090@news.greatbasin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 56ppp72.csd.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16356 These are probably German Dark Bees. I have heard that they are re-establishing in some areas due to the dying of Italian Feral colonies. These bees are smaller, darker and meaner than Italians. They were brought to the US first in the late 1600's from Europe. My father and uncle noticed the resurgence of these bees in central Indiana to levels not seen since the 1930's. Hope this helps. Redbeard Jesse Wellman wrote in message <37018959.3742090@news.greatbasin.net>... |Hi, | A friend who lives near an almond orchard in the cental valley |near marysville has a colony of dark bees(not italian) living in the |walls of an abandoned out building. My friend says that the bees have |been there continuously for 2 years. Is it possible that this colony |is some how resistant to vm, and other parasites, or more likely that |several queens have been there over the 2 years, only my friend never |noticed the inbetween down time. | How many wild colonys remain, especially in cold pre/non |africanised areas? | |Curious | |Jesse |jesse@wellman.reno.nv.us From fallon@hotmail.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:05 EST 1999 Article: 16357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!news2.kosone.com!abc-ri16.northcom.net From: fallon@hotmail.com (Martin Fallon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what am i using? Message-ID: <3704bdf1.1625226@news.northcom.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Organization: Kingston Online Services Lines: 8 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:56:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.246.3.130 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 923057484 199.246.3.130 (Fri, 02 Apr 1999 06:51:24 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 06:51:24 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16357 I see in the catalogs all these diffferent hive configurations and sizes. Dadants, British Standard, blah, blah, blah. I wonder what am I using. Plain old supers with 10 frames, a bottom board, inner cover and roof. Is there a name for any special configs developed here in North America? Just wondering, Steve From pollinator@aol.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:06 EST 1999 Article: 16358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 Questions?? Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Apr 1999 14:01:40 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990402090140.05310.00000679@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16358 In article , "Jim S" writes: >I read to only paint the >outside. ......... I'm planning on priming >the bare wood and using an exterior grade latex paint >- light color...OK? That's a common shibboleth. Supposingly the bees don't like a painted surface. I can tell you with great assurance that the bees don't care, if the paint is dry. Furthermore there is a very GOOD reason to paint both sides. Latex paint "breathes" very nicely, and will let sufficient moisture pass to help ventilate the hive. But IF you paint only one side, the moisture and air transfer is uneven. If the wood has any tendency to warp, it will..... Paint both sides and you will equalize the moisture on both sides of the board. I have never seen warped wood on hives that were dipped in paint. Another myth is that paint will stop rot. That is not true, and whether you paint one side or both, the wood will rot if it does not dry quickly after becoming wet. If you can afford it, use wood that is less likely to rot, such as cypress or cedar. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From gwest7t@rectec.net Sat Apr 3 06:05:06 EST 1999 Article: 16359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!news-feed.nortel.net!news.nortel.net!not-for-mail From: GW Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about B.J. Sherriff bee suit. Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:38:19 -0600 Organization: Nortel Information Network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3704E46A.E5FC07BE@rectec.net> References: <7dqh1s$g3s@news1.snet.net> <3704162E.E97@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.10.10.6 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: workerbee Cache-Post-Path: nntpcache2.nortel.net!unknown@firewallii-i.nrtc.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16359 I bought one of the suits last year. It has bee very good at keeping me from getting stung. I would recommend it. The suit is so slick that the bees can not get a grip on the material so they can not poke their stinging apparatus into the person inside. have fun' gw workerbee wrote: > npatt@snet.net wrote: > > > > I just purchased a B.J. Sherrif "Apiararist" suit. A couple of questions: > > > > Should I wear a hat under the veil? I notice the material sits very close to the back of my neck and ears with out one. > > Can they sting through the material easily? > > I am using the suit mainly to collect yellowjackets and hornets and would hate to have my ears stung through the material. > > > > Any of your lessons from experience with this suit may save me some pain! > > > > Norman Patterson > > npatt@snet.net > Just dont rub or scratch your nose with a bee on the veil. From schwaller@Schwaller.demon.co.uk Sat Apr 3 06:05:07 EST 1999 Article: 16360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!Schwaller.demon.co.uk!schwaller From: Ernie Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:36:14 +0100 Organization: Household Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk> <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 923071433 nnrp-06:21738 NO-IDENT schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.01 Lines: 36 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16360 In article <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, griffes@my-dejanews.com writes >In article <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk>, > Ernie wrote: >> In article <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net>, Marc Andelman >> writes >> >Douse bee hive with gasoline. Light. >> > >> >Regards, >> >Marc Andelman >> > >> > >> Bit drastic ayn't it!! Ernie >> -- >> Ernie >> > >Nahhh!! them V-mites gotta be killed at any cost now don't they Ernie? > >But if you wanna reuse the comb ya might as well kill EVERYTHING in the hive >including all disease via using Gamma Irradation. Of course they more than >just frown on ya irradiating honey - let alone bees. But if ya kill all the >bees then the mites will eventually die - if you burn 'em or irradiate 'em >the mites will die real quick. Mark wants to "watch 'em burn" while I prefer >to "nuke 'em" but I am sure we both are open-minded enough to allow you to >come up with your own favored method of dealing with the blasted V-mites. >;-) > >Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own I never said douse them with petrol I have too much respect for bees. Sorry but you must be mistaken Ernie -- Ernie From drgonfly@ultranet.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:08 EST 1999 Article: 16361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:19:36 -0500 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7e32b3$p9b$1@antiochus.ultra.net> References: <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk> <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <37005305.38C7@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-122-233-94.s94.tnt5.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 2 Apr 1999 18:29:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16361 AL wrote in message <37005305.38C7@midwest.net>... > >Marc has some curious beekeeping interests - in particular I remember a >post asking about the meanest bees available to use as guard bees. Hey >Marc, did you ever get that wax build up removed from your wife's pots & >pans:) > > >AL No, but I discovered a new way to make plastic from beeswax. I tried to dissolved the beewax with paint thinner, whereupon a chemical reaction occured that created some sort of halogenated polymer. Needless to say, this is stuck to the pans even worse than before. Perhaps future beekeepers will follow up with these and re-discover how to make plastic from beeswax. Needless to say, the wife was none too pleased. Regards, Marc Andelman From beeman@algonet.se Sat Apr 3 06:05:08 EST 1999 Article: 16362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!nntp.inc.net!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!news-peer-europe.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.algonet.se!algonet!pepsi.tninet.se!not-for-mail From: P-O Gustafsson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: plastic hive bodies Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 21:26:33 +0200 Organization: Telenordia Lines: 21 Message-ID: <370519E9.6AB0CF11@algonet.se> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: sdu104-76.ppp.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: cubacola.tninet.se 923085863 22145 195.163.76.104 (2 Apr 1999 20:44:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@algo.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Apr 1999 20:44:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16362 Styrofoam hives work very well in cold climates. They don't warp, swell, or rot as wood does. They will not absorb water and get mouldy in winter. The weight of a hive is less than half of wood, and you save your back working with them. 40 mm styrofoam provides insulation and no other wrapping is needed in winter. In summer they will not get heated up by the sun so easily as wooden boxes without insulation, and thus save the bees work to cool down hive. A majority of commercial beekeeper use styrofoam hives here, and many hobbyists too. See them at my homepage. -- Regards P-O Gustafsson, Sweden beeman@algonet.se http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ From paulp@ims.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:09 EST 1999 Article: 16363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anole sunning on porch of hive Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:16:23 -0800 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <370541B7.CC1E5753@ims.com> References: <370289DE.7A0@unc.edu> <37041728.2987@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16363 workerbee wrote: > Eileen Gregory wrote: > > > > On several occasions during the past week I've noticed an Anole sunning > > itself on the porch of my beehive. Can anyone tell me whether Anoles > > eat bees or would be harmful in any other way to the bees? Due to a > > dumb decision last Fall to rearrange the supers the bees have been > > coming and going via the top of the hive, so there's a fairly good > > chance that there has been very little bee/Anole interaction, and maybe > > it just uses the hive for shelter. What do you think? > > Thanks for advice, > > Eileen Gregory > > obvious novice beekeeper > I do not know what an Aole is. Might it be a bird or lizzard or what? > > Don An anole is a small lizard. Their main diet items are insects. I haven't heard of it happening, but I can imagine that it might be eating some bees. Depending on how big it is, I wouldn't think it could handle more than a dozen a day, and maybe much less. My son has a couple of pet lizards (bearded dragons) and finding and keeping live prey for them is always a bit of a challenge. I've thought of trying to harvest drones from my hives to feed them. I worry about what a bee sting inside their mouth would do if I gave them workers to eat. You might also try posting your question on sci.bio.herp or rec.pets.herp. Paul From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:10 EST 1999 Article: 16364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.150!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr2.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3705034C.61653BCC@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Conglomo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what am i using? References: <3704bdf1.1625226@news.northcom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:50:08 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr2.twcny.rr.com 923078193 24.92.236.85 (Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:36:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:36:33 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16364 standard 10-Frame Langstroth hive, "American style" Martin Fallon wrote: > I see in the catalogs all these diffferent hive configurations and > sizes. Dadants, British Standard, blah, blah, blah. I wonder what am > I using. Plain old supers with 10 frames, a bottom board, inner cover > and roof. Is there a name for any special configs developed here in > North America? > > Just wondering, > Steve From timjk@my-dejanews.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:10 EST 1999 Article: 16365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and pools? Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 01:50:21 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7e3s4q$h3c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.156 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 03 01:50:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I ;Nav) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x3.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.156 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16365 Thinking about setting up a couple hives in my back yard. My swimming pool will by about 50' away. Will the bees be wanting to stop by and take a drink? If so this could bee a problem. Also, any suggestions for a newbie on what type of bees would be good to start with? Thanks, Tim -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From drgonfly@ultranet.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:11 EST 1999 Article: 16366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: orchard and other bees question Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 20:47:05 -0500 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7e3shu$734$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-122-233-92.s92.tnt5.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 3 Apr 1999 01:57:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16366 Hi folks. I just got my orchard bees in the mail. They come in little blocks of wood with holes drilled in, sealed with mud. I nailed these to a larger drilled block of wood , and put it on a south wall. What happens now? Am I supposed to moisten the mud , add water, or do anything? Or do they take it from here? Will they get along with my honeybees in the same yard? Also, has anyone kept leaf cutter bees and what are they exactly? Can you also obtain bumblebees commercially. How do you cultivate these other bees? Regards, Marc Andelman From griffes@my-dejanews.com Sat Apr 3 06:05:12 EST 1999 Article: 16367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 04:46:56 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 93 Message-ID: <7e46fv$pef$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk> <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.23 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 03 04:46:56 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x11.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16367 In article , Ernie wrote: > In article <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, griffes@my-dejanews.com > writes > >In article <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk>, > > Ernie wrote: > >> In article <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net>, Marc Andelman > >> writes > >> >Douse bee hive with gasoline. Light. > >> > > >> >Regards, > >> >Marc Andelman > >> > > >> > > >> Bit drastic ayn't it!! Ernie > >> -- > >> Ernie > >> > > > >Nahhh!! them V-mites gotta be killed at any cost now don't they Ernie? > > > >But if you wanna reuse the comb ya might as well kill EVERYTHING in the hive > >including all disease via using Gamma Irradation. Of course they more than > >just frown on ya irradiating honey - let alone bees. But if ya kill all the > >bees then the mites will eventually die - if you burn 'em or irradiate 'em > >the mites will die real quick. Mark wants to "watch 'em burn" while I prefer > >to "nuke 'em" but I am sure we both are open-minded enough to allow you to > >come up with your own favored method of dealing with the blasted V-mites. > >;-) > > > >Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com > > > >-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- > >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own > > > I never said douse them with petrol I have too much respect for bees. > Sorry but you must be mistaken Ernie > -- > Ernie > Dear Ernie, Lest ya get your shorts tied in a knot over a simple misunderstanding/misreading please look more carefully at the messages above. MARC is clearly cited as the party that playfully suggested dousing a colony with gasoline and touching it off as a "new way to kill Varroa" - you Ernie on the other hand said something akin to "bit drastic ain't it??" Look at your last message just above this and you can play detective and figure out exactly how ya might have gotten confused - it appears to me that you signed your name at the end of the line and then you also added a sig file. If you look back you will see you did the same exact thing in your previous message. I then interjected playfully that I did not feel it was too drastic as noted by the winking smiley ;-) I put both in the subject line and in my response. As to the "I have more respect for bees than that" - all I can say is that you just revealed that you have never done every beekeeper for miles around you the favor of burning colonies laden with AFB scale. Now I will grant you that may be out of your realm of authority and in the hands of inspectors or even Veterinarians in some locales but hereabouts you do it yourself or it don't get done. (it is possible you are so new or perhaps so small that you have never had the pleasure of having to deal with AFB YET) One effective way to accomplish the task (realizing using gasoline is DANGEROUS) is to bag the colony and pour in about a cup of gasoline and close the bag. Fanning noise will increase MARKEDLY and then eventually will slow down and quit. You do this AFTER DARK so no bees can fly. Then you open up the bag and step back and toss a burning object toward it. Like I said it ain't totally safe so do step back - an explosion can occur as per super coming apart or such like. OH one other thing - dig a hole FIRST - one deep enough to bury the ashes and put the hive in that hole before setting it ablaze (I suggest you use a magnet to pick up all the MANY nails OR do the "burn and bury" somewhere where nails surfacing will not be a problem to you or others). Then make sure EVERYTHING burns up and bury the ashes. Of course where allowed using Gamma Irradiation on the AFB laden equipment (no bees nor honey in it) allows you to reuse the comb and equipment and in that first season starting with DISEASE FREE equipment the average honey production will be boosted just about enough to pay for the irradiation (according to Dean Breaux of HybriBees who has tested it against non-irradiated equipment and personally face to face told me the results as we live less than 3 miles from each other nowadays - hmmm seems like it may have been written up in ABJ also - anybody got a reference??). Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and pools? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Apr 1999 05:35:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7e3s4q$h3c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990403003527.07584.00001585@ng155.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16368 > My swimming pool >will by about 50' away. Will the bees be wanting to stop by and take a >drink? If so this could b if they discover it as a primary water sourse then they'll be there. Cover your pool tightly, dont let rain water stand on the cover, give em a few weeks to find somewhere else, maybe they'll leave it alone Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hello Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Apr 1999 05:40:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <923037942.747964@prokk.uzhgorod.ua> Message-ID: <19990403004036.07584.00001591@ng155.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16369 >help me please to find out the hospital and the doctors where they can treat >for an illness which has an unusual current. Greetings Vitaly, Here in the US i used to work as a paramedic Ihave seen and heard of instances where people are cared for from other countries by Duke University Medical Center in Durham North Carolina. I know this is not much information, but maybe it is a start. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Colony Status Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 05:38:21 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 63 Message-ID: <7e49gd$s01$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <37018959.3742090@news.greatbasin.net> <7e23lt$r1l$2@apollo.csd.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.15 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Apr 03 05:38:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x14.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16370 In article <7e23lt$r1l$2@apollo.csd.net>, "Redbeard" wrote: > These are probably German Dark Bees. I have heard that they are > re-establishing in some areas due to the dying of Italian Feral > colonies. These bees are smaller, darker and meaner than Italians. > They were brought to the US first in the late 1600's from Europe. My > father and uncle noticed the resurgence of these bees in central > Indiana to levels not seen since the 1930's. Hope this helps. > > Redbeard > > Jesse Wellman wrote in message > <37018959.3742090@news.greatbasin.net>... > |Hi, > | A friend who lives near an almond orchard in the cental valley > |near marysville has a colony of dark bees(not italian) living in the > |walls of an abandoned out building. My friend says that the bees > have > |been there continuously for 2 years. Is it possible that this colony > |is some how resistant to vm, and other parasites, or more likely that > |several queens have been there over the 2 years, only my friend never > |noticed the inbetween down time. > | How many wild colonys remain, especially in cold pre/non > |africanised areas? > | > |Curious > | > |Jesse > |jesse@wellman.reno.nv.us > It is VERY possible Jesse that your friend did not note the down time between swarms repopulating and empty cavity. The magic bullet theorists might be inclined to tell ya them bees are VR but this beekeeper that actually runs a bee breeding program working on breeding VR bees (14 Cooperators - over 10,000 colonies) is inclined to disbelieve it. Why?? We have had quite a lot of such tales told us - we take the following approach - "call us on the first warm day in March and tell us if the bees are flying pretty strong and quite a few of them are wearing yellow or biege chaps" - one year we had 6 feral nest sights under such orders - oddly enough NOT A ONE of them alleged long time survivors actually survived - not so oddly a swarm did try to move in to at least one of those dead out nest sights during swarm season. REMEMBER that a nest site wherein bees have lived before is VERY attractive to a swarm seeking a home. And what do you think the homeowner would have thought had we not gotten them to accurately observe things?? Redbeard - in CA near an almond orchard my bet goes on an escaped swarm of Carniolans if them bees are dark. Then again you can even breed BLACK Italians if you work at it a titch. Realize too that here in the USA there ain't much in the way of pure anything in honeybee stock - you can find stock that follows a certain matriline back to pure racial stock but odds are the patriline ain't pure same race. To put it more in terms of what the late Brother Adam would say - MONGREL stock - oh but he would not have shouted it but just said it "mongrel stock." Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Apr 1999 05:52:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3702CF13.AAEDCFE2@valley.net> Message-ID: <19990403005212.07584.00001595@ng155.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16371 >As I understand things Gamma rays as us I bleve i caught me one a them gamma rays down at the coast one time whilest fishin fer the lustrous king mackeral. Dang thang put up a heck ofa fight.. yep i's bet they'd whip a verro mite hands down Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee venom coll. training course Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 3 Apr 1999 05:45:09 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01be7c69$d306c880$698742d8@michael> Message-ID: <19990403004509.07584.00001593@ng155.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16372 >Hi All, > >A beginner bee venom collection training course will be held on Sept. 15, >1999 during the Apimondia '99. Please visit http://www.beevenom.com for >more information. > hey thats nice an all but did ya get a load of those prices......OUCH !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!135.173.83.24!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anole sunning on porch of hive Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:55:05 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37041728.2987@earthlink.net> <19990403010753.07584.00001599@ng155.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Apr 1999 00:57:50 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Apr 3 17:05:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 27 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust157.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3706B869.605@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16373 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >I do not know what an Aole is. Might it be a bird or lizzard or what? > > > >Don Sorry, spelling dosen't count cause ya gnow dat usens from Norf Carolinia aint so ed-u-kated sum tymes. > > simple a A-ole is a person that pisses ya off a lot so as to get ya to the > point of callin him a A-ole. > > Now a anole is NC's and some other states excuse for a chamelion, ya know one a > them lizards that changes his color to fit the event.. kinda like a politition > ya might say. > They make wonderful pets and will eventually wind up on bout every kids wish > list. And when the kid quits feedin it, and it dies and ya find it a month > later its become one hell of a bass bait. > > Once in a while i'll run cross one that has developed a taste for free bee > lunch, jus catch him and toss him out in a nother yard bout a mile away and > that usually does the trick. They dont seem to mind the stingers, and can turn > the shade of gray of a old bottom board. > > They ain't much meat on em, an they taste like crap...but if'n ya hungry theys > do in a rush. > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:43 EDT 1999 Article: 16374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.208.190.2!news.globix.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Anole sunning on porch of hive Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 19:52:24 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <370289DE.7A0@unc.edu> <37041728.2987@earthlink.net> <370541B7.CC1E5753@ims.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Apr 1999 00:55:10 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Apr 3 17:05:01 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 25 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust157.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3706B7C8.29E4@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16374 Paul Petty wrote: > > workerbee wrote: > > > Eileen Gregory wrote: > > > > > > On several occasions during the past week I've noticed an Anole sunning > > > itself on the porch of my beehive. Can anyone tell me whether Anoles > > > eat bees or would be harmful in any other way to the bees? Due to a > > > dumb decision last Fall to rearrange the supers the bees have been > > > coming and going via the top of the hive, so there's a fairly good > > > chance that there has been very little bee/Anole interaction, and maybe > > > it just uses the hive for shelter. What do you think? > > > Thanks for advice, > > > Eileen Gregory > > > obvious novice beekeeper > > I do not know what an Aole is. Might it be a bird or lizzard or what? > harvest drones from my hives to feed them. I worry about what a bee sting > inside their mouth would do if I gave them workers to eat. You would not have to worry very long if the lizzard got stung. I have bees at a friends house and his friendly dogs meet me buy never go to the bee yard after that first trip. Don > > > Paul From nospam@home.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:44 EDT 1999 Article: 16375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "news" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: test post - please ignore Lines: 6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 01:00:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 923187629 24.6.224.103 (Sat, 03 Apr 1999 17:00:29 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 17:00:29 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16375 -- George C replace nospam with ghclark From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:08:50 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <3702CF13.AAEDCFE2@valley.net> <19990403005212.07584.00001595@ng155.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Apr 1999 01:11:36 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Apr 3 17:15:11 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 13 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust157.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3706BBA2.51AD@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16376 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >As I understand things Gamma rays as us > > I bleve i caught me one a them gamma rays down at the coast one time whilest > fishin fer the lustrous king mackeral. Dang thang put up a heck ofa fight.. yep > i's bet they'd whip a verro mite hands down > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC I still like to use a BB gun but it is really hard to knock the little suckers off without hittins and rearranging the molocules in Miss Workerbee which killes her immediately. Got swarms Don From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:45 EDT 1999 Article: 16377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 1999 20:05:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7e32b3$p9b$1@antiochus.ultra.net> <19990403005359.07584.00001596@ng155.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Apr 1999 01:07:49 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Apr 3 17:15:10 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 15 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust157.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <3706BABE.6B72@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16377 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >No, but I discovered a new way to make plastic from beeswax. I tried > >to dissolved the beewax with paint thinner, whereupon a chemical > >reaction occured that created some sort o > > just dip the pan in ya lye barrell next time ya cleaning hive bodies, all > propolis, wax etc will disolve immediately if not sooner > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Yep and if they are aluminum(no spell chech here Big Johnson) they will disolve too. Used to use lye, water and aluminum in a coke bottle to blow up baloons and watch them float away after being tied off. Any youngsters reading this:IT IS VERY DANGEROUS SO DON'T DO IT. Don From joyp@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:46 EDT 1999 Article: 16379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: joyp@aol.com (Joyp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: where to buy bees Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Apr 1999 13:38:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990406093832.08674.00003147@ng95.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16379 I am asking this question for a friend who does not have Internet access. He wants to start a beehive. He would like to know where to buy the bees. He lives in Northeast Tennessee near the KY border. Any help would be much apreciated. From Fraser@Firthmuir.freeserve.co.uk Thu Apr 8 16:50:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Freeserve News" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 18:30:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-9.tantulum.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 923419690 19771 62.136.36.9 (6 Apr 1999 17:28:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 1999 17:28:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16380 I HAD FIVE HIVES OF BEES WHICH LIVED THROUGH THE WINTER AND HAD PLENTY HONEY BUT NO POLLEN. FIRST SUNNY WARM DAY TWO OF THE HIVES THE BEES CLUSTERED ON THE LANDING BOARDS AND KEPT COMING OUT FORMING A HEAP ALMOST TO THE GROUND, THEY FELL ONTO THE GROUND AND CRAWLED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AND GOT LOST. WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTIONS. From pollinator@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:47 EDT 1999 Article: 16381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Apr 1999 18:09:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990406140903.18165.00002934@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16381 From: "Freeserve News" >THEY FELL ONTO THE GROUND AND >CRAWLED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AND >GOT LOST. I meant to also add: You should have a bee inspector who can test for tracheal mites. But you need to do it quickly, before the samples decay. The equipment should be usuable, including the honey, for package bees. Always check for foulbrood scale of course, before reusing equipment from deadouts. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:48 EDT 1999 Article: 16382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!peer.news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Gathering bees Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:24:06 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 5 Apr 1999 23:26:58 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Apr 5 16:35:08 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 23 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust141.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37094616.1495@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16382 I spent the day with Kevin Johnson removing honey bees from the overhang box on the end of a ladys' house. We used the Bee vac that he is always talking so highly about. Well, guess what? IT DOES WORK WELL. We lost less than 100 bees and vaccumed about 3 lbs. When we (I) (he gave instructions all day cause it was my learning day), Got it opened up we found oodles of sealed brood, sealed and open queen cells, and larva of every age and no eggs and about half the bees we expected and no queen to be found. Looks like a swarm probably left there just a couple of days ago. We took it all, tied a lot of the brood in frames, gave them a really nice capped queen cell, lots of syrup and closed them up. I'll check them out in about 4 days and see how they are doing. Will be watching for pollan going in starting tomorrow. After getting them settled in and feeding ourselves, a phone call came in about a swarm 4 feet of the ground. Did I want it was the question? We went and got it right then. They are settled in on plastic and lots of syrup. Our honey flow starts in the next week so I'll be able to tell how they pull the stuff. A wonderful day and we didn't even go get the bees out of another house. I guess Saturday will be a good day to go again. Don in NC From mae@indy.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!WCG!216.37.2.10!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail From: Mary Ann Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New way to kill varroa ;-) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:14:09 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <37090B81.5082@indy.net> References: <7d4kiu$k2k$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <4PXuALAcpz$2EwPs@Schwaller.demon.co.uk> <7dpg5k$gjd$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209-183-87-180.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 923357052 27500 209.183.87.180 (6 Apr 1999 00:04:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 1999 00:04:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16383 griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > Nahhh!! them V-mites gotta be killed at any cost now don't they Ernie? > > But if you wanna reuse the comb ya might as well kill EVERYTHING in the hive > including all disease via using Gamma Irradation. Of course they more than A long time ago I was working my way through college in the Purdue University Entomology Orchard. We had a few trees labeled IRR. Being navie I asked what it stood for. Irradiated Seedlings. I ALWAYS WONDERED IF THEY GLOWED AT NIGHT? Tobi From honey.road@sympatico.ca Thu Apr 8 16:50:49 EDT 1999 Article: 16384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!207.97.14.174!europa.clark.net!209.150.97.11!feeder.qis.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!torn!news1.bellglobal.com!news21.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <370A4526.21D6FE60@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage - http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dadant 6 frams extractor and elect uncapping knife for sale References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 17:33:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.179 X-Trace: news21.bellglobal.com 923420032 206.172.183.179 (Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:33:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:33:52 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16384 Is it electric or hand crank? Allen B Max Sanders wrote: > As a hobby beekeeper, I used this only once. It is is great shape. Please > make offer and e-mail me at max@gadsden.com. Thanks Max Sanders Gadsden, > Alabama From abchome@webzone.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.165.100.175 Message-ID: <37083B07.1A9C0EBB@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: It's swarm season Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 17 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:24:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 923286318 205.219.23.10 (Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:25:18 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:25:18 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16385 I have had 11 calls in the last 3 days for swarms here in Tulsa, Have had to pass them on to other beekeepers as I own my own business and cannot take off to get them durring the day, but yesterday and today I brought home some very nice swarms. they will be used for new genetic material if they prove to be worth anything, (I raise queens as a hobby). But I posted this to let you know that the hives are swarming early this year so get out there and check your hives. I cannot get anymore as all of my equipment is now full and I do not want more than the 2 dozen hives I have now. Good luck Donald From abchome@webzone.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:50 EDT 1999 Article: 16386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.idt.net!WCG!WCG-Reader.POSTED!wznews.webzone.net!208.165.100.175 Message-ID: <37083C5F.31FB0DD@webzone.net> From: Donald Franson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What do I say? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: WebZone - http://www.webzone.net/ - +1.918.585.8800 Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:30:24 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.219.23.10 X-Trace: WCG-Reader 923286663 205.219.23.10 (Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:31:03 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Apr 1999 23:31:03 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16386 I have been asked to advise the local Zoo as they prepare an extensive beekeeping exhibit. There are so many different aspects to beekeeping that I need some suggestions as to which way to go for display to the general public. I know you each have your own ideas and I would love to hear them. Please respond to me directly if you would so that I do not have to transfer ideas out of the newsgroups. Donald Franson From pollinator@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:51 EDT 1999 Article: 16387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.sunydutchess.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!alnews.ncsc.mil!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Apr 1999 18:05:33 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990406140533.18165.00002931@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16387 From: "Freeserve News" >I HAD FIVE HIVES OF BEES WHICH LIVED THROUGH THE WINTER AND HAD PLENTY HONEY >BUT NO POLLEN. FIRST SUNNY WARM DAY TWO OF THE HIVES THE BEES CLUSTERED ON >THE LANDING BOARDS AND KEPT COMING OUT FORMING A HEAP ALMOST TO THE GROUND, >THEY FELL ONTO THE GROUND AND CRAWLED IN ALL DIRECTIONS AND GOT LOST. WOULD >VERY MUCH APPRECIATE ANY SUGGESTIONS. Please don't shout. (capital letters) I would suspect tracheal mites first. More and more, our bees are resistant to tracheal mites. Did you purchase bees from a breeder who treats for tracheal mites (thereby not developing a resistant strain)? If you do, you are compelled to continue treating. Are you in an area with poor fall pollen, or were the bees poor gatherers? The latter would again be a tracheal mite indicator. There are other possibilities, but we saw thousands of hives do just this, during the heyday of the tracheal mite era....... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From bill.greenrose@valley.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!router1.news.adelphia.net!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: rice polishing machine Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:18:23 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 49 Message-ID: <370AC06E.9A50400C@valley.net> References: <3709A2F4.A771BE04@farmmachine.co.kr> NNTP-Posting-Host: v2-p-122.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16388 why am i reading this? hello? [taps on monitor] is there anybody in there? were you attracted to this group because of the word 'beekeeping' in its name, thinking beekeepers have a special need to polish rice? no need for fancy machinery. a little pledge and a soft cloth and my rice gets polished just fine, thank you very much. and, since my grandma, who taught me how, was from warsaw, it's a nice Polish polish, too. we now continue with our regular programming. donga@farmmachine.co.kr wrote: > title: farm machine > company: Donga Co. Ltd > contact person: ik ju,kim > address: 47-1 nowon 3-ga, buk-gu, taegu > zip : 702-083 > Phone: +82-53-352-8060 > fax: +82-53-351-8061 > e-mail: donga@farmmachine.co.kr > Company Profile > Dong-A Industrial co. has 20 years history. We manufacture > agricultural machinery (Rice polishing machine of samm size, > Stone selecting machine, Backet conveyance, Ultrasonic rat repeller) > All kinds of rice can be polished. Polishing quality is high by > spira grinding roller which designed specially. Our rice polishing > machine of small size field, we occupied 60% of domestic market > and developed the earliest straw cutting machine which passed > the exam of the korean goverment in 1985. And Agriculture Advancement > Administration approve best rice of quality which polished by this > machine. On 1998, we manufacture sawdust making machine and we are > exporting our products to China,Russia, Pillipines, Pakistan, > Malaysia, etc. > http://www.farmmachine.co.kr ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From allend@internode.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:52 EDT 1999 Article: 16389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-was.dfn.de!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in blocks Plus Drumming Plus Books Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 16:23:26 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7eao1j$uki$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19990405074633.17644.00002210@ng-fq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.187 To: allend@internode.net X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Apr 05 16:23:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; QuickBooks 6.0 Canada) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x6.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.161.229.187 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16389 > It is extremely difficult to get bees out of a block wall. In a wooden wall you can open it up and physically remove them. I'm wondering what the evidence is that these are indeed honey bees? > You *might* have success by "drumming," This is the way old time beekeepers got bees out of a hollow log. If you get a rubber mallet and begin a rythmic > knocking on the block that they are in, they may find it so unpleasant that > they will all run out. Have a queen cage ready to capture the queen and prevent her from running back in. Also have a hive ready. It would help, if you can give them a brood frame from another hive. Now this is an interesting subject. Although I've played a tiny bit with drumming, and understand that this effect is what supposedly keeps bees in their hives on an idling truck, I really have never done it seriously. So, I'm wondering about this technique. Does anyone know how long it takes to get the bees running? What are the tricks? Is this technique used at all to get bees to run up into the box when making package bees or do most people rely on smoke? One of the things that got me wondering about drumming was that a 'net friend sent me a book in the mail the other day. It was called Honey Farming by R.O.B. Manley and is fascinating reading, as it deals with commercial beekeeping in the UK in pre-World War II days and contains many ideas that are still fresh today. One of the things he mentions is how he got his first bees ('druv bees') from skeps using drumming -- as I understood him to say. While speaking of books, I have much enjoyed your books, Dave. They arrived promptly by mail a little while back in response to my request. Thank you. "A Shirker, Not a Worker" will come in handy when/if we become grandparents. I think it would make good bedtime reading. Your other book, "My Family Tree" doesn't seem to have much to do with bees, but it gave me a few good chuckles and kept my wife and a friend in stitches for quite a while. allen Allen Dick http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From tomasmozer@juno.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:53 EDT 1999 Article: 16390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and pools? Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 08:35:38 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 8 Message-ID: <370B7B4A.51D1@juno.com> References: <7e3s4q$h3c$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.12 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 923492380 OCZ7E7JIA48C D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: timjk@my-dejanews.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16390 two suggestions that have been posted previously on this or another list and may help, although can't say from personal experience (yet): 1)keep your chlorine levels in pool water high (presumably at the upper end of reccommended range) to repel bees; 2)provide water for your bees from a feeder device (presumably internal or external will both work, results may vary depending on your particular situation)... good luck! From w8864@midwest.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Bill" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Italian or Not? Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:49:02 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <923417449.399.11@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.56.30 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:50:49 GMT X-Trace: 923417449.399.11 JF3D7GB4M381ED0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16391 I am going to start a couple of colonys this year and was told I should get "3 banded Italians" because of their docile nature. I found Italian bees but they didn't have the three banded , is there a big difference in the two species. As far as their agressiveness? thanx bill From hhf34@aol.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:54 EDT 1999 Article: 16392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: regulations for packaging honey? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Apr 1999 22:25:46 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <922594553.469901@super.ccp.com> Message-ID: <19990407182546.13109.00005662@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16392 Each state has their own rules and regulations regarding the packaging of food products no matter what industry. If you contact your states Department of Agriculture they will know which direction to send you in. TTYL! Monica ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! From malley@netdoor.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:55 EDT 1999 Article: 16393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: "Robert Malley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Can sertian plant give honey a off or bitter taste Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 18:18:58 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.149.94 X-Trace: axe.netdoor.com 923526956 208.137.149.94 (Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:15:56 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 18:15:56 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16393 I know sertain flower or plants can make honey havea different flavor. My question is can some plants make honey taste bad? I was told that Privit hedge made it taste bitter. Newbee Robert From npatt@snet.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in4.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: free yellowjacket removal Date: 7 Apr 1999 16:49:52 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7eg2bg$m0s@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh3-port20.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16394 To bad you didn't like here in Connecticut. I collect yellowjackets for free! Norman Patterson npatt@snet.net From griffes@my-dejanews.com Thu Apr 8 16:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 16395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.111.230.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.208.190.2!news.globix.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Italian or Not? Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 03:22:32 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7eh7di$c5r$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <923417449.399.11@news.remarQ.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.11 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 08 03:22:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x4.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16395 In article <923417449.399.11@news.remarQ.com>, "Bill" wrote: > I am going to start a couple of colonys this year and was told I should get > "3 banded Italians" because of their docile nature. I found Italian bees > but they didn't have the three banded , is there a big difference in the > two species. As far as their agressiveness? > > thanx > bill > > Bill, All Apis mellifera (common honeybee) races and strains are of the same species. Here in the USA basically anything with a lot of yellow gets labeled Italian and anything with lots of black tends to get labelled Carniolan or Caucasian. Fact is most everything in USA is mixed stock not pure of any race. You can find USA "Italians" of very gentle nature and you can find some few that will stitch your socks on. It all depends on whether gentleness is a important selection criterion and whether the breeder controls drones well in the mating area to insure he/she sends out "known" type stock. You can occasionally cross two very gentle stocks from different origins and end up with quite cross bees in the F1 - one of the wonders of genetics ya might say. And when you have only a colony or two you may get that one odd cross queen in a hundred and think incorrectly that "this is cross stock" when really you just got one of the exceptions to the rule. In a nutshell get bees you are happy with and bee happy with 'em. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From CincyGuy46@worldnet.att.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: CincyGuy46@worldnet.att.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SCI Publishings new site Date: 8 Apr 1999 10:55:14 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7ei1ui$44o$4@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.76.122.152 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 923568914 4248 12.76.122.152 (8 Apr 1999 10:55:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Apr 1999 10:55:14 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16396 Owner of SCI Publishing announces new web site. The worlds largest noncorporate web site. 54 Seperate sites in one Something for everyone... http://www.georgerabe.com GRAPHICS (loads of original graphics) ANIMATIONS (loads of original animated gifs) ASTROLOGY AVIATION SKYDIVING (worlds largest skydiving site) KIDS HUMOR JOKES HYPNOSIS ALL HOLIDAYS ASTROLOGY GIANT ONLINE STORE TRAVEL WEATHER BOOK STORE MAGAZINE RACK HOLY BIBLE SITE WEBMASTERS GOODIES CHRISTIAN WEB MASTERS GRAPHICS AND LINKS MY I CHING BOOK (plus 1000s of I Ching links) AWESOME FIREWORKS (the best on the web) AMAZING JAVA PAGES PHOTOS - JPGs - GIFs - ANIMATED GIFs CARTOONS SMILEY FACE SITE OVER 10,000 LINKS AND MUCH MORE http://www.georgerabe.com From twentyone@clara.co.uk Thu Apr 8 16:50:57 EDT 1999 Article: 16397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp2.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Nick Templar" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones> Subject: Re: Question from a 6 year old Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:55:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.84.180 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp2.clara.net 923594128 195.8.84.180 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:55:28 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:55:28 BST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16397 Well thet's dependant on many things ... bees don't collect honey they collect nectar then turn it into honey. but according to the ABC and XYZ of bee culture by AI and ER Root (I consulted the 1935 edition) page 762 tells you that 40,000 to 50,000 bees in the air at one time during the middle of the day while a nectar flow is in progress can collect between 5 and 10 pounds of nectar. The average however is about 4 to 5 pounds a day ( the record in 1935 was 66 pounds of nectar >from one colony in one day). A bee can carry half its own weight in nectar at any one time. The bees then evaporate off the excess water and he presto ... Honey! But how much honey can one bee make in a day? John Galbraith wrote in message <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones>... >My 6 year old son recently asked me "how much honey can a good bee make in a >day"! Any ideas for an answer? > > From chris@mail.sunlink.net Thu Apr 8 16:50:58 EDT 1999 Article: 16398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news20.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "chris heffner" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Colony Strength and health Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <7P7P2.1741$ai2.72013@news20.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.234.170.142 X-Trace: news20.ispnews.com 923601219 199.234.170.142 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:53:39 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:53:39 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:47:06 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16398 Hello everyone, I have been reading these posts for awhile. I would like to ask a question. I am a second year beekeeper from Central Pennsylvania with one hive of Carniolan's. I started this hive from a 4 frame nuc last May. The colony did fairly well last year as far as buildup was concerned. They were not able to draw out a super for me though. I wintered them in two deeps and they had a full deep and a half of honey. For the last two weeks our has been in the 60's to 70's everyday. April 3rd I dusted with Terramycin and put Apistan strips in. During that exam I found sealed drone and worker brood, but I couldn't find eggs. I thought I might have a virgin queen from a supersedure. So I went out today to check again for eggs and larvae and found at least 1 frame of brood in all stages, so I applied a second dusting. The lower chamber is not real crowded maybe the equivalent of 3 frames of bees and the upper chamber which is still atleast half filled with honey has more bees in it appx. 4 to 5 frames of bees. (This is the best guess I can give) Sorry the background is so long. Here are my questions. 1. Does this sound like a fairly strong hive or weak? 2. How does one go about assessing strength? 3. Should I be seeing more brood or better yet how much brood should you see in a strong and/or weak hive? I appreciate any advice you might be able to give. Your friend in Beekeeping Chris From anglin@mi.verio.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:31 EDT 1999 Article: 16399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Drones already appearing in my hives (Michigan) Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.110 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 923600802 209.69.69.110 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:46:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:46:42 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:49:29 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16399 Hello all! I was just inspecting my hives this morning, and they are bustin out at the seams! Not only do I have drone brood in all 4 hives, but in one has already have hatched drones present! This is the earliest I have ever seen drones in my hives! I do have lots of pollen in the bodies, and the bees have just begun to gather new pollen. Pussy willows are just bustin out, and the daffodils are in bloom. No dandelions in sight. I am worried that this means a really bad swarming year..... One hive is building cups on the bottom bars... Any comments from the experts? Please? From john@jegsav.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 9 16:55:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!jegsav.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "John Savage" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question from a 6 year old Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:58:26 +0100 Message-ID: <923605035.29690.0.nnrp-12.d4e523cc@news.demon.co.uk> References: <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones> NNTP-Posting-Host: jegsav.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: jegsav.demon.co.uk:212.229.35.204 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 923605035 nnrp-12:29690 NO-IDENT jegsav.demon.co.uk:212.229.35.204 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16400 Guessing, but: 1 bee weighs about 1/10 gram. Let's say it can carry 1/5th its own weight and makes 10 foraging trips a day - that's 2/10g nectar per bee per day. This needs to be condensed by a factor of about 5 to make honey, so only 4/100g honey per bee per day. Not much is it?! But in a hive with, say, 20,000 foraging bees that's 800g per day. It sounds about right because a hive can produce around 80kg in 100 days (very round figures) during the best part of the Summer. That's teamwork! John Galbraith wrote in message <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones>... >My 6 year old son recently asked me "how much honey can a good bee make in a >day"! Any ideas for an answer? > > From cdlynes@bellsouth.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:32 EDT 1999 Article: 16401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in3.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news1.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <370D32B9.4A591E39@bellsouth.net> From: David Lynes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maroon Queens Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:50:33 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.70.39 X-Trace: news1.atl 923611574 209.214.70.39 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:46:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 18:46:14 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16401 I heard there was a company, I believe in Southern California, selling Queens with a recessive trait--they were maroon and yellow where other honeybees are black and yellow. I heard that they were artificially inseminated and produce maroon brood. And if the hive replaces the queen, the new queen genetically cannot produce the maroon recessive trait. I cannot find the producer of these. Does anyone on the list have any idea who this company is? Thanks, David Lynes Woodstock, GA From hensler@povn.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:33 EDT 1999 Article: 16402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!spk-news1.nwnexus.com!not-for-mail From: "J. F Hensler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can sertian plant give honey a off or bitter taste Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:50:20 -0700 Organization: WinStar NorthWest Nexus Lines: 32 Message-ID: <370D32AC.646F@povn.com> References: Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp243.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16402 Robert Malley wrote: > > I know sertain flower or plants can make honey havea different flavor. > My question is can some plants make honey taste bad? I was told that Privit > hedge made it taste bitter. Yo Robert: The more I ponder this question, even though I know nothing about privit, I do seem to recall something along this line discussed recently on this very group. If my aging gray matter doesn't fail me, I seem to recollect an AL something-or-other who produced one whole frame of the most foul-smelling, evil-tasting toxic waste known to modern science. Then, to add insult to injury, he attempted to get rid of it by mailing sample jars anonymously to everybody on his Christmas card list, plus a few to people he didn't even know. Perhaps this beekeeping person of great experience in the bad tasting honey area might be coherced into sharing his vast knowledge of the subject with us? Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From mully01@my-dejanews.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.giganews.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: mully01@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: eliminating carpenter bees Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 19:09:55 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7eiutl$s83$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.65.220.169 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Apr 08 19:09:55 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 207.65.220.169 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16403 I have carpenter bees eating my house in 4 places. they were not much trouble several years ago, just left them alone. the colony is spreading and getting very aggressive and eating more of the house. help?????????? -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From pollinator@aol.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:34 EDT 1999 Article: 16404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: eliminating carpenter bees Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Apr 1999 23:27:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7eiutl$s83$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990408192721.28890.00000363@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16404 From: mully01@my-dejanews.com >I have carpenter bees eating my house in 4 places. they were not much >trouble >several years ago, just left them alone. the colony is spreading and getting >very aggressive and eating more of the house. help?????????? If you don't disturb them, they will use the same holes, and the damage is only cosmetic. They prefer unpainted softwood, so paint the areas where you don't want them, and provide unpainted areas for them to use. They are valuable pollinators, part of the mix of pollination in general, and pollinator populations are declining. Please don't hurt them; these gentle giants of the bee world are very easy to hurt, but do so much good, they sure don't deserve it. We have a couple hundred every year in our big old wooden warehouse. They do minimal damage, and they are always welcome. The drones provide a lot of entertainment for us as well, chasing birds and pebbles that we throw. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From davidsmith2@mindspring.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: David Smith Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ANY ONE WITH ANY IDEAS ? Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:00:20 +0000 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 8 Message-ID: <370D18E4.7B43@mindspring.com> References: <7edg7a$j9r$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990406140533.18165.00002931@ng-fs1.aol.com> <370CA0EE.59404A46@bellsouth.net> Reply-To: davidsmith2@mindspring.com NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.a3.8e Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 9 Apr 1999 01:57:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Macintosh; U; 68K) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16405 Hello, You are not that new at beekeeping - I have no hives or equipment yet, so I guess that makes you an old hand. P-) Yours, David Smith From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:35 EDT 1999 Article: 16406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeBee tree seeds...for a donation. Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 02:33:31 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 72 Message-ID: References: <19077-36F99799-27@newsd-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.115 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:13:41 GMT X-Trace: 923624021.063.18 KRFRRPH9I1C73CF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16406 Hi, Sounds interesting, but will it grow in the Pacific Northwest ? Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 3/24/99 5:55PM, in message <19077-36F99799-27@newsd-291.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Cherish Tietsworth wrote: Montgomery County Beekeepers Association (MCBA) in Pennsylvaina is selling BeeBee Tree (Evodia danielli) seeds to help fund the Langstroth Bench Project. A commerative bench was dedicated to the Father of Modern Beekeeping- Lorenzo Lorraine Langstroth in 1951 but has since deteriated to the point of needing to be replaced. The Langstroth Bench is located in the Bee gardens at Morris Arboretum, Chestnut Hill, Philadelphia PA. MCBA had taken on the task of replacing the original bench. Anyone can order BeeBee tree seeds for a donation. Please send a SELF addressed STAMPED envelope with a DONATION to: JOSEPH DUFFY SR. 309 CLIVEDEN AVENUE GLENSIDE, PA 19038-3509. Make Checks payable to "Langstroth Bench Project, MCBA" The BeeBee tree is an excellent tree for nectar in July and August when little else is blooming. The honeybees will actually cluster on the flowers. Adult trees can grow 25' to 30' in height. Thank you for helping! From wombatius@earthlink.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:36 EDT 1999 Article: 16407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in5.uu.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!news.idt.net!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Erik Peterson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information? Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:46:51 -0700 X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Apr 8 19:26:26 1999 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: pool027-max7.ds17-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-ELN-Date: 9 Apr 1999 01:45:59 GMT Message-ID: <7ejm4n$pnu$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16407 Hello, A tree in my front yard has two large "bunches" (for lack of a better word) of bees in it. They are clumped together and they seem quite calm. I would be interested in harnessing the honey-pumping power of these little dynamos, but I am not sure where to start. I was wondering if there is someone perhaps local to me that I could either call on the phone or get in e-mail contact with in regards to capturing and keeping these bees. Or, is there any sort of Bee Club or anything in the Los Angeles Area, preferably in the San Fernando Valley, whom I could contact? Thank you very much. - Steve Peterson PS - Could you please respond by e-mail? my address is: wombatius@earthlink.net , thank you. From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <370D0A56.5D5B811B@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Conglomo Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Black bees again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:58:16 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.85 X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 923600833 24.92.236.85 (Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:47:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:47:13 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16408 A recent post mentioned black bees, I believe with reference to the native English bee. Does it in fact still exist, in some "pure" form, in certain pockets of the UK? On a related topic, has it ever been determined whether or not the Isle of White disease (that hit England early in the century) was actually acarine infestation? tnx, JWG From lithar@midwest.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:37 EDT 1999 Article: 16409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can sertian plant give honey a off or bitter taste Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:41:57 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ Communities, Inc. Lines: 102 Message-ID: <370D68F5.2C85@midwest.net> References: <370D32AC.646F@povn.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.21 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:46:50 GMT X-Trace: 923626010.989.27 JF3D7GB4M1C15D0EBC usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16409 Robert Malley wrote: > > > > I know sertain flower or plants can make honey havea different flavor. > > My question is can some plants make honey taste bad? I was told that Privit > > hedge made it taste bitter. J. F Hensler wrote: > > Yo Robert: > > The more I ponder this question, even though I know nothing about > privit, I do seem to recall something along this line discussed recently > on this very group. > > If my aging gray matter doesn't fail me, I seem to recollect an AL > something-or-other who produced one whole frame of the most > foul-smelling, evil-tasting toxic waste known to modern science. Then, > to add insult to injury, he attempted to get rid of it by mailing sample > jars anonymously to everybody on his Christmas card list, plus a few to > people he didn't even know. > > Perhaps this beekeeping person of great experience in the bad tasting > honey area might be coherced into sharing his vast knowledge of the > subject with us? > > Skip Aw man, I can't *believe* you did that! Yeah, I can speak from personal experience on the subject of nasty honey. As to the source, I'm still in the dark and had the highly revered Andy N. not lost his battle, I might have received some enlightenment on the subject. To the family and friends of Andy N. who have been wondering what those 2 oz of strange smelling stuff is - now ya know. Last fall my bees produced a deep super absolutely full of beautiful, thick, golden, and unfortunately inedible honey. My efforts at extraction via the drip method failed due to it's stubborn viscosity. After four days of stinking up the kitchen and only getting 3 drips in the pan, I was forced to scrape the comb from the foundation and squeeze it through nylon stockings. One frame produced a little over 1 qt of the stinky stuff. I left the remaining 9 frames on the hive for winter food and you should see the bees now!!! It is April, the food supply is only 1/2 depleted, and the bee population is incredible! True, I did send samples to the four corners of the earth in an effort resolve the dilemma *and* to get rid of the stuff. I won't name one of the recipients who lives in Alberta Canada, but his reaction was: "Got the sample and my first reaction was: "Is this stuff toxic?" Rubber, plasticene, plastics all came to mind. All with a tiny touch of licorice. Really, I don't know." I took a jar of the stuff to a local beekeeper's meeting - no one there had a clue what the nectar source could be. I sent a sample to a fellow near Spokane, WA - fortunately his lovely wife was coherent enough to offer some constructive suggestions. So far the revelant ideas are: Tansy - an herb that grows in this area in small patches Mint - another plant that grows here but not in great abundance This is an area that has a lot of corn, wheat, soybeans, milo and small livestock farms - there is no industry to speak of. I am always open to suggestions, ideas, sympathy. I have a few ounces of the precious nectar that I'd be willing to share with some brave soul - its not something I would recommend actually eating. Ok Skip, are ya happy now? AL From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:38 EDT 1999 Article: 16410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,alt.walter-cronkite.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 02:33:40 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <7cqqam$qv6$1@newnews.global.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.115 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:13:49 GMT X-Trace: 923624029.873.9 KRFRRPH9I1C73CF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:89 alt.walter-cronkite.beekeeping:28 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16410 Hi, There's a LOT to bee keeping . And, a LOT of ways to go wrong . Buy books, before you buy bees . Damn sure, you'll buy them after ! Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 3/20/99 5:58AM, in message , Philip Hempel wrote: In article <7cqqam$qv6$1@newnews.global.net.uk>, rstewart@globalnet.co.uk says... > Can anyone suggest what the best way to get started is? > I live North East Scotland, where can I find out about suppliers, > books web sites etc. > > Any help very welcome.. > > Rex > > > Check out the online webstore at www.blossomland.com. Request digital catalog and beginners booklet by email beeyard@blossomland.com! Over 1000 items to review and order plus special savings in the e-catalog! Call 800-637-5262 M-F 10-4 EST for the same requests if you like. Phil Hempel From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Fri Apr 9 16:55:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.winstar.net!news.good.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name:) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,alt.walter-cronkite.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner Date: Fri, 09 Apr 99 02:33:54 GMT Organization: Company: Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <7cqqam$qv6$1@newnews.global.net.uk> <7d5kdk$k4i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.149.28.115 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:14:03 GMT X-Trace: 923624043.909.66 KRFRRPH9I1C73CF95C usenet1.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [2.00] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:90 alt.walter-cronkite.beekeeping:29 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16411 Hi, P.S. In cold northern climates, it's even harder to keep bees . Read up carefully on what they need to over-winter . It is VERY different from what those Virginia/Georgia folks can get by with . Ken . -- "The chains that hold the Fenris Wolf are rent asunder, and the Wolf courses about. Brothers shall fight and slay one another; sisters' sons shall break the bonds of kinship. It shall fare hard with the world: great whoredom, an axe-age, a sword-age, shields shall be cloven, a wind-age, a wolf-age, ere the world sinks in ruin. No man shall spare the other." -- ------------Reply Separator---------------- On 3/22/99 6:34AM, in message <7d5kdk$k4i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, Allen Dick wrote: > > Can anyone suggest what the best way to get started is? > > I live North East Scotland, where can I find out about suppliers, > > books web sites etc. The answer to this perennial question is to find some local beekeepers, befriend them, and ask them to help you to get set up. If you make a point to meet several, you will find one whom you like best, and who appreciates your interest. A good place to start is you local government agriculture office, and you phone book or the store shelf in your local store: honey section. A commercial beekeeper will not always be the best choice, but will likely know everyone around and guide you to someone suitable. If you have time to spare, working for a commercial operator can work, but many are pretty busy and less interested in the romantic aspect and chatting than getting the job done. There are some notable exceptions to this rule, however :) I know there are some big bee outfits in Scotland. Murray McGregor is one owner I know. I'll email you his address privately. Allen -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From beetools@aol.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:39 EDT 1999 Article: 16412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Insurance? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Apr 1999 15:17:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7ekpo9$3j3$1@malgudi.oar.net> Message-ID: <19990409111756.27144.00000274@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16412 For the full scoop, check out http://members.aol.com/beetools/insure.htm Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee From nunyara@zeta.org.au Fri Apr 9 16:55:40 EDT 1999 Article: 16413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newsfeed.zip.com.au!zeta.org.au!news.zeta.org.au!not-for-mail From: "Nunyara" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: repeat request-extract & exhibit Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:12:47 +1000 Organization: Zeta Internet, http://www.zeta.org.au/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7ecc6f$sau$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: d219.syd2.zeta.org.au X-Trace: phaedrus.zeta.org.au 923382799 29022 203.26.9.91 (6 Apr 1999 07:13:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@zeta.org.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Apr 1999 07:13:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16413 No replies as yet to my questions of 27/3/99. Repeated below: Q1. Anyone got plans or proven ideas for a cheap, home made 1 or 2 frame extractor? Hand operated is fine. Q2. When I finish building my 2 frame exhibition hive, what and when would be the best way to split one of my existing 2 hives to start an exhibition colony (each has a brood and 1 super) ? Supers are now full of capped honey and queen is strong. March in Australia is early autumn. Swami. From maaijen@xs4all.nl Fri Apr 9 16:55:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!xs4all!not-for-mail From: Abe Maaijen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: repeat request-extract & exhibit Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:28:51 +0200 Organization: Aannemersbedrijf Abe Maaijen Message-ID: <370B79B2.594DD61C@xs4all.nl> References: <7ecc6f$sau$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-isdn2280.dial.xs4all.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dc2-isdn2280.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.156.232] X-XS4ALL-Date: Wed, 07 Apr 1999 17:26:59 CEST X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16414 Have a look on mine honey page http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/honeybee.html You will find a drawing *.pdf format of a home build extractor. Abe Maaijen E-mail maaijen@xs4all.nl Beijerscheweg 73 Homepage http://www.xs4all.nl/~maaijen/ 2821 NE Stolwijk The Netherlands From hhf34@aol.com Fri Apr 9 16:55:41 EDT 1999 Article: 16415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is the best bee suit for AHB ??? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Apr 1999 22:33:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990331183135.08310.00000317@ng-fx1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990407183339.13109.00005670@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16415 Great reply! I have also seen reports of the short sleeves in action while working AHB... Though, the individuals who usually do this are individuals who are larger commercial honey producers or spent time operating at that level. I am still amazed at how people will throw on their Sunday best holy veil and go out and work the bees... Best possible locations to find the bee suit which was asked about in the original post would be to check with Dadants, if they do not have them anymore, they might know where to send you if you ask really nice Hope this helps ya out! TTYL Monica ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! From Cliff@cherry75.freeserve.co.uk Fri Apr 9 16:55:42 EDT 1999 Article: 16416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Cliff Stanton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wild bees in my lawn - dangerous? Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 15:24:00 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7eleao$ip3$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-70.euthyrox.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 923679896 19235 62.136.66.70 (9 Apr 1999 17:44:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 1999 17:44:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16416 Dear all I live in the UK and last year I found a few Bee size mole hills in my garden border. I saw wild bees coming out (about 1/2" long with an orange furry back) this year I have noticed that they have spread into the lawn and I am worried that when I mow the lawn they will get irritated. Is there much danger of this happening? can I get rid of them if there is? how? Many thanks. Cliff From pollinator@aol.com Sun Apr 11 23:20:13 EDT 1999 Article: 16417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild bees in my lawn - dangerous? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 9 Apr 1999 20:28:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <7eleao$ip3$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Message-ID: <19990409162827.28894.00001023@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16417 From: "Cliff Stanton" >I live in the UK and last year I found a few Bee size mole hills in my >garden border. I saw wild bees coming out (about 1/2" long with an orange >furry back) this year I have noticed that they have spread into the lawn and >I am worried that when I mow the lawn they will get irritated. Is there much >danger of this happening? can I get rid of them if there is? how? They are called digger bees, and there are many species. They are extraordinarily gentle and are valuable pollinators. Do what you can to preserve them. In southern US cotton spraying and fire ants have made them rare. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From ZADIGVOLTA@prodigy.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:14 EDT 1999 Article: 16418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!skynet.be!newscon05!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is CheckMite+registered for Mass.? Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:18:53 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services, Inc Lines: 3 Message-ID: <7eljo5$1i9a$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cmbrb111-41.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com 923685445 1408643 209.156.37.202 (9 Apr 1999 19:17:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 1999 19:17:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16418 Is CheckMite+ registered for use in Massachusetts? Thanks. Zadig From honeybs@radix.net Sun Apr 11 23:20:15 EDT 1999 Article: 16419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question from a 6 year old Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 20:46:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7elps9$9pa$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones> NNTP-Posting-Host: port12.annex2.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16419 "Anglin" wrote: >I read somewhere that one bee makes about one teaspoon of honey in her >lifetime- I'm not sure how accurate that is tho.... >Ellen >John Galbraith wrote in message >news:_Y0P2.5120$04.2325@stones... >> My 6 year old son recently asked me "how much honey can a good bee make in >a >> day"! Any ideas for an answer? >> >> Right and the average bee only forages for two weeks so she collects 1/14 of a teaspoon per day. I would guess that that would be under the most optimum of conditions. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Apr 11 23:20:16 EDT 1999 Article: 16420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild bees in my lawn - dangerous? Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:59:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7elppa$sbn$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7eleao$ip3$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-4.armour.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 923691626 29047 62.136.154.4 (9 Apr 1999 21:00:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Apr 1999 21:00:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:16420 These are solitary bees i.e. they do not live in a colony and co-operate with each other, although there may be large number living in the same area because the soil is suitable (usually sandy and free draining). They are not dangerous as their stings are unable to penetrate human flesh. They will lay eggs in the tunnels which they have excavated (hence the mole hills) and provision them with pollen - then disappear. Next year the new bees will emerge and the whole thing starts again! Leave them alone to complete their reproductive cycle (only a few weeks) and then try not to disturb the ground too much - they nest in a small area of my lawn so I can leave it uncut until the have finished. They are fascinating to watch and do a great deal of good work pollinating early flowering crops - especially plums. You shou