Article 26254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cara & Tom Patterson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varostop Message-ID: <6qgdoso7vtfsf6ehd4r9qeuts5novdt8oe@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 1 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 12:33:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.20.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc2.tx.home.com 965133213 24.8.20.181 (Tue, 01 Aug 2000 05:33:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 05:33:33 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26254 Is anyone familiar with the varroa treatment Varostop from Bulgaria? Article 26255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Sting problem Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 158.252.234.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 965150996 158.252.234.153 (Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:29:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:29:56 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26255 My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me with the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and has a nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is also swollen. I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, but I don't know if it helped. What now? Darrell Article 26256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!psinet-eu-nl!news.imp.ch!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:47:52 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8m7csj$mk42@news.vtx.ch> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-5-p09.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26256 Sure. In southern France lavender is widely cultivated and so is Miel de Lavande. Delicious. Very light in color, fine in taste. -- Best regards..... visit our website => www.broennimann.com Neville Brook a écrit dans le message : 965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Does anyone put their hives amongst Lavender fields? If so, do you get > Lavender honey, what is it like, is it concentrated enough to sell as > Lavender honey? > Cheers and thanks > Liz Brook (Auckland, NZ) > > Article 26257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:37:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <39873205.879733@news1.radix.net> References: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26257 On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:19:59 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote: >I'm not sure about that because in the distant past, while taking a swarm >out of a building wall, I was stung many times and they were not as bad as >mosquito bites. Then about two months ago, I got another hive out of a >building and got stung five times. Those puffed a little but not bad. First >week in July I was just nicked through the glove on a finger and that finger >swelled pretty good. This time, the finger swelled to where I can't bend it >and my whole hand is puffy. >It seems to be getting worse with each sting. >Darrell > Exactly my point, you are probably not getting stung enough. Beekeepers should work their bees offten, with as little protection as they can get by with. Getting stung every couple of months can become a bad thing. Getting an occasional sting two or three times a week will keep your body in shape for them. Accidents happen! Just this weekend I moved bees into pumpkins. I pull the hives out of the truck and put them on their stands in shorts with no bee suit as they are all screened in. Imagine my surprise on the seventh hive when I felt a board out of the bottom board hit my feet! I know I took at least 100 stings. Being by myself there was no help available. Because I get stung often there was no big problem. Experience being on my side, my bee suit was close by, right side out, and exactly where I knew it was. People that mess with bees must get stung often for their own safety. All that getting stung every couple of months does is prepare your body for a real bad reaction. beekeep Article 26258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: jduncan57@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Do bees work soybeans? Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 02:34:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8m81cd$t5i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.223.230.188 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 02 02:34:53 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.223.230.188 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDjduncan57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26258 I live in western Pa. and have just started two hives this summer. I live near a farm that has several acres of soybeans. Do honey bees work on this crop? And does it make a good honey? It will soon blossom and would be a good nectar source before the goldenrod flow. Thanks in advance for any answers. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees work soybeans? Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 02:56:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8m82kr$u25$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8m81cd$t5i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.111 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 02 02:56:29 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x53.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.111 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26259 > jduncanwrote: > Do honey bees > work on this crop? And does it make a good honey? ******************************************************8 Howdy JD -- Yes bees do work soybeans. The honey is light amber and of good quality. The yield depends on variety, soil and weather. One year I had bees on soybeans in black delta land and got a good crop. Another year, an outbreak of bugs came about and the owner sprayed before he thought of me and the bees. DEAD BEES GALORE ! You might want to mention this to the bean grower just in case. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Laying Workers - Always ? Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 02:49:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 01 02:49:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26260 Howdy Folks -- Has anyone seen results of any reseach as to what percentage of hopelessly queenless colonies will develop laying workers ? I had always assumed that it always happens, but I have seen evidence that in some cases it may not. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39882C13.956C243C@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:11:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 54 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26261 Thought I would add my own experience as I am a first year newbie. After my first initiation in early June which consisted of some 15-20 stings all within a few seconds of each other, I started wearing a bee suit but not gloves. Since then I get on average 1 sting a week, usually on my hand. I got my latest one over the last weekend and for the first time experienced no pain after the initial sting subsided, no swelling, and best of all, no itching! I think I am finally starting to build an immunity after two months. Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > I'm not sure about that because in the distant past, while taking a swarm > out of a building wall, I was stung many times and they were not as bad as > mosquito bites. Then about two months ago, I got another hive out of a > building and got stung five times. Those puffed a little but not bad. First > week in July I was just nicked through the glove on a finger and that finger > swelled pretty good. This time, the finger swelled to where I can't bend it > and my whole hand is puffy. > It seems to be getting worse with each sting. > Darrell > > wrote in message news:39870293.882315@news1.radix.net... > > On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" > > wrote: > > > > >My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me > with > > >the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and > has a > > >nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is > also > > >swollen. > > >I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, > but > > >I don't know if it helped. > > >What now? > > >Darrell > > > > > > > > > > > Throw the gloves away, stop wearing rings, and get stung some more. > > You will get used to it. > > > > beekeep > > -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 26262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39884F48.D9F31E97@cybertours.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:41:45 -0400 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pink Page Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.42 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.64.42 X-Trace: 2 Aug 2000 12:34:54 -0500, 64.208.64.42 Lines: 18 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.64.42 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26262 Greetings! Updated Pink Pages located here: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 26263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!xyzzy!not-for-mail From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Help for beginner X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39884860.3DB1F2A1@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <8m7bfk$rk2$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:12:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 40 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:218 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26263 "Paul.A.Bowden" wrote: > > > I wonder what my best next move would be? Forgive me if this is a really > stupid suggestion. But... > > Could I place a new brood box, with new frames and foundation, above the > existing one in the hope that the queen will eventually move up into the new > one and start laying there? Then, when new eggs confirm her presence in the > tope one, place a queen excluder between the two? And eventually, when the > brood in the 'old' box has hatched, dispose of the old and foul frames? > > As I say, this may be utterly daft .... I shan't do anything until I have > some sort of reaction from someone. > > > > Paul Well I hope it works as I am doing the exact same thing with a box of duraguilt foundation that the bees did a real hatchet job on drawing out. If I were you though I would get visual confirmation that the queen has moved up into the upper box before putting on that excluder - don't just go by the appearance of eggs. After I get two deeps of wired foundation drawn and the queen and brood in the upper boxes, I plan to move the burr-comb box above the inner cover with the telescoping cover on top to allow the bees to rob it out and move thier assets downstairs. I'm afraid I would set off a robbing frenzy if I just put those frames outside to be cleaned. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 26264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:20:23 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8ma502$m3f$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m7csj$mk42@news.vtx.ch> <965213534.149082@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p62.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965252930 22639 203.96.192.62 (2 Aug 2000 21:48:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:48:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26264 Hi me again here's a website on the honey that Martin-Paul is talking about http://chefshop.site.yahoo.net/chefshop/hugmieldepro1.html i thought from memory lavender honey is darker than most...? I might have been thinking of rewarewa perhaps anyway this is a nice site, there are some interesting recipes carman Neville Brook wrote in message news:965213534.149082@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Thanks Martin-Paul. I think we'll give it a go. > Cheers > Liz Brook > > "Martin-Paul Broennimann" wrote in message > news:8m7csj$mk42@news.vtx.ch... > > Sure. In southern France lavender is widely cultivated and so is Miel de > > Lavande. > > Delicious. Very light in color, fine in taste. > > > > -- > > Best regards..... > > visit our website => www.broennimann.com > > Neville Brook a écrit dans le message : > > 965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > > Does anyone put their hives amongst Lavender fields? If so, do you get > > > Lavender honey, what is it like, is it concentrated enough to sell as > > > Lavender honey? > > > Cheers and thanks > > > Liz Brook (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 26265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:55:29 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 98 Message-ID: <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p62.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965251410 22308 203.96.192.62 (2 Aug 2000 21:23:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 2000 21:23:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26265 Neville Brook wrote in message news:965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Hi Carman > > > I don't exactly have a lavendar field as such so i can't really answer > your > > question, but we have planted a lot of lavender. This year i hope to get > > busy and plant a lot more... > We also have a lot of Lavender in our garden, but what we want to do is > plant a couple of acres of Lavender. that sounds just lovely !!!! i've seen some lavendar fields they look gorgeous there is an organic lavendar grower on the outskirts of Hamilton, I have been thinking about enquiring whether we can put a hive there....if we ever get to move them again. I seem to vaguely recall sampling a honey that was said to be high in lavendar nectar...from memory it was quite dark and strong in flavour > I want to know if this much Lavender > right next to the bees will produce honey that I can call Lavender honey. I > think it will be concentrated enough, but just wondered if anyone actually > knew. I don't know for sure but my theory is this...bees will travel up to 2kms to find forage, however if there is good forage close by then they wont travel uneccessarily. If bees have been travelling to a particular source of honey then they will often keep going to that source and 'telling' the others about it. Once the lavender is established it will be an excellent source of forage the bees should, in theory, stay pretty close to the source and if there isn't much else on the boundary of the lavendar then the chances are they will remain foraging at the lavender.... although if some of the bees are oriented to another source of nectar then they may continue to travel to that source. One way to ensure the bees do stay close to the lavender is to move a hive away off your property while the lavender is establishing. Then once it is established bring the hive back in again....the bees will initially be disoriented for a start and as they begin to do their orientation flights they should go straight to the lavenders. although this sounds like a lot of moving about and disturbance apparently it works. No matter what, if you plant a couple of acres, i'm sure the ultimate result will be that you will end up with high concentration of lavender, as new bees come out they should find good attraction to the lavender as they orient. Sounds like you have an excellent idea there.....i will have to visit just to see the blaze of blue glory. snip > > Some of the more experienced members are able to tell you what plant the > > honey is largely derived from, based on the colour and taste of the honey. > > It's really an amazing exercise to compare all the flavours and i look > > forward to this each year. > Yes we did this earlier this year after all the extracting. It was great > that the older beekeepers could tell me that one of my jars was definitely > Clover and the other jar was Pohutukawa. I look forward to the day when I > can do that by tasting and looking at the colour. Very clever. there is a guy who has pohutukawa honey on the 509 road in Whitianga ( or is it the 309 road?) well anyway it's an infamous bumpy road out there.... very pale honey, his bees just forage it in the bush. > For my very > first season I was given 1st prize. They judge on colour, taste and no > bubbles. I found the taste of the bush honeys wonderful, colour really > black and taste extremely strong. Real honey! our first season we got 2nd....but we are semi rural .. with little bushland and our honey was up against the guys from raglan hard to stack up against the bush honey > This spring/summer will be interesting beekeeping with Varroa won't it? oh boy.... I've got that same feeling you get just as you rise to the tip of the roller coaster you know .. the bit where you catch your breath and begin to freak out... (hehe) > Thanks for your post and thanks for yours looking forward to running barefoot thru your lavender fields....in slow motion ....with a long flowing gown rippling in the gentle breeze... trailing behind me > Cheers > Liz Brook > carman > Article 26266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:41:29 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p41.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965121003 22050 203.96.192.41 (1 Aug 2000 09:10:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2000 09:10:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26266 Hi Liz I don't exactly have a lavendar field as such so i can't really answer your question, but we have planted a lot of lavender. This year i hope to get busy and plant a lot more... We have a range of herbs growing at home and i'm absolutely convinced, without a doubt, that the various herbs create superior flavour honey. thusly my impetus to plant even more. I am wondering whether your beekeeping club have an annual taste test? Every year after the honey flow stops and all the spinning is complete, our club get together and have a competition, we all bring samples of our finest produce and they're placed on a central table, then we get out little ice cream sticks to sample each jar and we note down the top 3 in each category. It's fantasic fun and you get to sample the flavours from all over the region. Some of the more experienced members are able to tell you what plant the honey is largely derived from, based on the colour and taste of the honey. It's really an amazing exercise to compare all the flavours and i look forward to this each year. Do you have something similar? what about the rest of the globe... beekeepers from other countries do you have this type of annual get together? carman Neville Brook wrote in message news:965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > Does anyone put their hives amongst Lavender fields? If so, do you get > Lavender honey, what is it like, is it concentrated enough to sell as > Lavender honey? > Cheers and thanks > Liz Brook (Auckland, NZ) > > Article 26267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re:Anyone going to EAS? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 09:06:53 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26267 ----- Original Message ----- From: scott spearman To: Teri Bachus Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:13 AM Subject: Re: re:Anyone going to EAS? Where is it located? better late than ever...salisbury, md....see web page at: http://iaa.umd.edu/mdbee/EAS2000.html Article 26268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:03:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a2.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26268 On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote: >My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me with >the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and has a >nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is also >swollen. >I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, but >I don't know if it helped. >What now? >Darrell > > > Throw the gloves away, stop wearing rings, and get stung some more. You will get used to it. beekeep Article 26269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <8lmjg8$lu2$2@news.wave.co.nz> <8lnish$t8i$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8losj7$7ur$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8lq47q$hrg$1@news.wave.co.nz> <8lu14t$gsk$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Breeding for Varroa resistence Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:09:53 -0700 Lines: 89 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust248.tnt6.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.17.248 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa08 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26269 This is kind of a 'which came first, the chicken or the egg' situation for me, because I am a hobby gardener. We had so few bees or other active pollinators around here, that many things were not doing as well as they should; in particular were peaches, which are temperamental in our area any way. They bloom early (February) and even though covered with blooms, would set almost no fruit. It was not uncommon to go all summer and see only one or two honeybees, so something that was blooming while the weather was still cool and the few bees there might be would not be venturing far from the hive, was just not getting pollinated. I had originally talked to a local beekeeper about keeping some hives out here, and he seemed quite interested, as we have a large eucalyptus grove adjacent to our property, but each year he was unable to bring any for one reason or another. so each year my peach trees were fruitless, among other things. I eventually tired of waiting for him to bring bees, so began researching what all was involved in keeping them myself. After a year or so of research I decided it was something I thought I could handle, so I took the plunge and got my first package. Now I have lots of peaches, but like you say, now I'm planting things thinking 'oh, the bees would like this', or ' that would be good for the bees', so rather than having bees for the plants, I'm also having plants for the bees! I plant for butterflies & birds as well. I enjoyed my bees a lot during the first 2 years, but I ended up with an ornery hive, and it took some of the fun out. She was a queen I got from another local bee keeper to replace one that I lost. The meanness got worse & worse, and where I once could go out and pull frames frequently to check them or show them to kids, I had to completely suit up before getting anywhere near these bees, and warned kids not to go near the hives. Not finding any reason for it, (the group told me how to identify skunk activity, which I didn't find) and it went on that way for almost a year, I just requeened that hive (the process that prompted my first visits to this group), with a buckfast queen. I guess in another few weeks I should know if they will again be gentler. I sure hope so. Oddly, I am seeing a great population of bumble bees as well, which I hadn't see before we kept bees here. I'm not sure why the bumble bee population has suddenly increased, but they are pretty cool, gentle critters, so I'm happy to see them too. I think that thought of an observation hive on a window is pretty cool. Where my husband works (farm & feed supply), they have an observation hive they lend out for various events so people can see & learn about the bees. It would be pretty fun to be able to watch the activities and the building, etc. that goes on on a regular basis. I don't know if it is something we'd be able to do, because the windows where something like that could be done here face north, so get absolutely no sun during the winter months. I wonder if the bees would be able to maintain enough warmth. Anyway, that sounds like a neat thing to do. How often do you visit to check/maintain the hives that are not at your home? Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "Carman" wrote in message news:8lu14t$gsk$1@news.wave.co.nz... > it is helpful to know about what flowers in your region.... ie the trees and > shrubs that are available for food sources throughout the year....if you > have a piece of land it is also helpful to plant lots of herbs and forage > trees... you'll never regret it > for example we have 3 hives at home ... here we have planted lots of > lavendar...sage...borage all sorts of things > we also have 7 hives at another location which is mainly farm land with > paddocks in clover and little else > The flavour of our honey extracted from the home hives is absolutely devine > !!! > while the 'away' stuff is somewhat bland and sweet but flavourless.... so > spend some time to observe what is growing in the area where your hives > are... and if possible situate your hoves where there are many interesting > and flavourful plants.. that will offer resources to the bees all year > around. > also a really excellent idea is to put a glass window on your house > somewhere and build a hive onto your house, or observatory.... so you can > look inside the hive from your house....or wherever... that is a dream of > mine one day to have an observation hive....there is a beekeeper on this ng > who has posted website with pictures of such hives...i have it saved in my > > carman > > > > -- Article 26270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <20000730214949.29434.00000588@ng-ba1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Breeding for Varroa resistence Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:25:55 -0700 Lines: 38 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust248.tnt6.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.17.248 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa08 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26270 Hi Tim, yes, I've used those traps. I was worried at first whether the bees would go in there. I bait with apple juice concentrate & the attractant they sell & I've never caught any other critter in it except a yellow jacket (not the paper wasps or mud daubers either). It does help to cut down on the population. I try to use them in the fall when the queens are out looking to set up new nests. that way I won't have quite as big a population of them the next year. those yellow jackets seem to really multiply around here & they chase the hummingbirds away from the feeders too! I can end up with 5 or 6 nests within the immediate area around my house, not counting what's out on the fields. The traps do seem very effective. Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20000730214949.29434.00000588@ng-ba1.aol.com... > >they spent all day > >hanging outside the hives grabbing honey bees as they returned, and they were > >seemingly defenseless, > > Hey Niki, > I don't know if you have a lowe's Store near you, They have a Yellow Jacket > trap which come in a clear plaste bag and yellow cap. This stuff really works. > You don't even have to worry about Honeybee touch it because they don't like > it. Give it a try. > Tim Article 26271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Abdulaziz (asiray0a) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation ? Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:54:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 82 Message-ID: <8m79t0$bp4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3980E77E.EC6790F7@winco.net><8ls2t9$f6r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8lv6k9$ln9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8m0fkd$ghs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8m4ps8$gld$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.26.18.28 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 01 19:54:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns1.anet.net.sa:8080 (Squid/2.2.STABLE3), 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.116.198.32, 212.26.18.28 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDasiray0a Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26271 I appreciate that but I am going to USA this Fall to continue my advance degree in Plastic Eng. in Ohio, Akron. Beside, I am looking for foundation has great number of cells per inch Sq. Thank you again Abdulaziz, abdulaziz_asiri@yahoo.com asiray0a@engineer.com In article <8m4ps8$gld$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, deelusbybeekeeper@my-deja.com wrote: > Hi. This is Dee Lusby. If you would like a few > sample sheets of smaller natural sized foundation > to make starter strips from for your swarms I > will need an address to send to. We use small > natural sized 4.9 foundation to alleviate > parasitic mite problems and their accompanying > secondary > diseases. > > sincerely: > Dee > Lusby > > In article > <8m0fkd$ghs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > Abdulaziz (asiray0a) > wrote: > > I am from Saudi Arabia. Yes I have access only > to the two end combs only but > > the inside combs I can not reach them unless I > cut the end one. The comb is > > circular. Abdulaziz > > > > In article , > > Barry Birkey wrote: > > > > From: Abdulaziz (asiray0a) deja.com> > > > > Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. > > > > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > > > Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:09:15 GMT > > > > Subject: Re: Foundation ? > > > > > > > > The reason behind the small size foundation > is as follows. > > > > > > > I would appreciate if you can help me with > this. > > > > > > What part of the world do you reside in? > > > > > > There are plans on the Beesource web site > called "Removeable Swarm Catching > > > Frame". This hinged frame, that opens like a > book, is designed to allow easy > > > capture of feral comb that can then be placed > into a conventional hive. > > > Designed by Dee Lusby, it's basically a split > frame that is wired on both > > > sides to hold comb in place. Once filled, the > frames are nailed together and > > > placed into a hive. > > > > > > Do you have access to the comb they built in > the hollow tree? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Barry > > > > > > -- > > > Webmeister > > > www.BeeSource.com > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:19:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.235.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 965161199 168.191.235.82 (Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:19:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 13:19:59 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26272 I'm not sure about that because in the distant past, while taking a swarm out of a building wall, I was stung many times and they were not as bad as mosquito bites. Then about two months ago, I got another hive out of a building and got stung five times. Those puffed a little but not bad. First week in July I was just nicked through the glove on a finger and that finger swelled pretty good. This time, the finger swelled to where I can't bend it and my whole hand is puffy. It seems to be getting worse with each sting. Darrell wrote in message news:39870293.882315@news1.radix.net... > On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" > wrote: > > >My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me with > >the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and has a > >nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is also > >swollen. > >I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, but > >I don't know if it helped. > >What now? > >Darrell > > > > > > > Throw the gloves away, stop wearing rings, and get stung some more. > You will get used to it. > > beekeep > Article 26273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Paul.A.Bowden" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help for beginner Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:20:29 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8m7bfk$rk2$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-85-138.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:219 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26273 I have been asked to take over the long-neglected hives of a recently deceased elderly beekeeper and am very keen to do so, both because it's been a long-standing interest (though one fuelled by reading more than the really useful practical experience) and because I don't want to see this old gentleman's (he was 98 when he died!) colonies die out. I would be very grateful for advice, however. There are two colonies which cause me much the same problems. Both appear very strong, with masses of bees entering with pollen and so on. However, both have been left or allowed to become (not by the late beekeeper, I am sure) more or less as follows - the brood box is situated directly above an empty super, with the result that the brood comb extends well below the bottom edge of the frame down into the space below; - in both cases, the brood frames and comb are in a real mess - both on the tops of the frames (which I can easily clean with a hive tool) and in that, because of uneven placing and lack of management, many combs are more or less completely joined by brace comb. I wonder what my best next move would be? Forgive me if this is a really stupid suggestion. But... Could I place a new brood box, with new frames and foundation, above the existing one in the hope that the queen will eventually move up into the new one and start laying there? Then, when new eggs confirm her presence in the tope one, place a queen excluder between the two? And eventually, when the brood in the 'old' box has hatched, dispose of the old and foul frames? As I say, this may be utterly daft .... I shan't do anything until I have some sort of reaction from someone. If it helps, my location is rural - a village in the East Midlands of England (in Lincolnshire.) I shall be very grateful for any advice or suggestions. Paul Article 26274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Javier Soto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb - Actualizacion Agosto 2000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:25:42 +0200 Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.77.136 Message-ID: <3987324e$1_4@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 1 Aug 2000 22:25:50 +0100, 195.5.77.136 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.77.136 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26274 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería, ha sido actualizada el 1 de Agosto del 2000. http://www.agroweb-hispana.com Este mes hemos actualizado todas nuestras secciones: @groEscuela Con nuevos documentos sobre maquinaria de aplicación, plagas del algodón y una ponencia del congreso Hispano-Luso de Agricultura de Conservación. Elevándose la cifra actual a 86 documentos técnicos @groPreguntas Ha vuelto a ser el sitio de encuentro para personas que buscan información agrícola. Hemos rediseñado el tablón de consultas para darle una imagen más personalizada. @groNoticias 78 noticias del sector para estar bien informados, de las cuales la mitad están ya en castellano. @groEnlaces Hemos añadido 89 nuevos enlaces, elevándose el número de enlaces a casi 2.380. Hemos revisado todos los enlaces para su perfecto funcionamiento y estamos creando un buscador agrícola y ganadero para páginas hispanas. Además hemos clasificados los enlaces por paises. @groCursos Con interesantes y numerosas novedades, alcanza la cifra de 119 cursos, jornadas, congresos y otros eventos clasificados. @groForo Gran acogida ha tenido nuestro foro Hispanao de Agricultura y ganadería, ya somos 50 personas los que lo formamos, en este escaso tiempo de funcionamiento. Article 26275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal W. Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: propolis Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:00:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.129.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 965163659 204.186.129.27 (Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:00:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:00:59 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26275 I worked on processing propolis for awhile. The process I used to make powder or clean chunks goes as follows: 1: I freeze the propolis chunks. 2: Remove the chunks and put them in a burlap bag and crush them into smaller chunks. 3: Place the chunks into cold water to float out pieces of wood, dead bees, etc.) 4: Dry the Propolis on a wire screen. 5: When dry spread the chunks out on a table then go over top of the chunks with a magnet to remove any metal fragments. 6: Inspect the chunks for any other contaminates. 7: If you want to make powder, I first grind the chunks and then add 10% carob powder to it powdered. 8: To dissolve it use 190 proof alcohol. You can avoid all of the work above by dissolving the chunks in alcohol and filtering out the contaminates then evaporating the alcohols out. Put the filter and evaporator needed in expensive. Best of luck to you! Royal W. Draper Draper's Super Bee Apiaries, Inc. 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net www.draperbee.com Wendy and Walter wrote in message news:r6eg5.15868$5N1.557389@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Hunting info on processing propolis - just purchased 2 traps, would like to > process it myself? Any ideas, comments? > > Thanks, > Walt > > Article 26276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:19:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8m7ete$ftj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.88 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 01 21:19:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.88 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26276 > "Darrell Gehlsen"wrote: > It seems to be getting worse with each sting. > Darrell >Darrell ************************************************ Howdy Darrell -- I have noticed that the poison from old bees is much more potent than that from young bees. Also -- stressed bees (like the ones trapped in honey during extracting time) have more potent poison. You might catch a bee by the wings and make her sting you, but scrape out the stinger immediately. This might help diagnose the problem as to whether you are actually becoming more sensitive to the sting poison. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!news.bel.alcatel.be!not-for-mail From: Hugo Thone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Arthritis Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:13:50 +0200 Organization: Alcatel Telecom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3986E92E.27C8D406@se.bel.alcatel.be> References: <8lnmin$88o$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> <397ffcd3.37802735@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: btmw10.se.bel.alcatel.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bt02e2.god.bel.alcatel.be 965142830 8211 138.203.32.35 (1 Aug 2000 15:13:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 2000 15:13:50 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26277 honeybs@radix.net wrote: > . > Women suddenly getting pregnant is also a side effect of the bee > stings! > Is it possible that this also applies to men ? Although my wife has never been stung by a bee, I have five kids. cheers, Hugo (half a bee) ps. I do not have arthritus. -- Hugo Thone do bee do bee do ... IBM GLOBAL SERVICES (\ email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 B-2018 Antwerp (/ fax : (32) 3 240 99 49 Article 26278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:52:56 +0100 Message-ID: <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 965260658 nnrp-13:17444 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26278 In article <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >I don't know for sure but my theory is this...bees will travel up to 2kms to >find forage, They will travel a lot more than that when there is good forage. Prof Ratnieks at Sheffield found they went 11km to the heather. Students calibrated the dances. I will check the distance and post some more info when I get time. snip 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for lavender as I don't have them in front of me. A Book of Honey Bees & Beekeeping Honey: A Comprehensive Survey I hope you do well as the whole family is excellent for honey especially in warm climates!! -- James Kilty Article 26279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 15:52:14 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 52 Message-ID: <8maode$qsa$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p42.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965272814 27530 203.96.192.42 (3 Aug 2000 03:20:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2000 03:20:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26279 all good points James An important issue, which relates to what you you have said, the lavender will cease to flower when it's out of season and then the bees will travel to other forage sources anyway, no matter how big the property. We have tried to plant so the bees can have good forage all year round, and we have also done some forage spotting in our neighbourhood to observe what else is about. a neighbour planted massive shelterbelts of native hedging .. some of which is very desirable for the bees, so he did us a huge favour without even knowing it. He mainly planted the natives to bring in the Tui which is a native bird that also likes to forage on native trees. We are also fortunate to have willow on neighbouring properties that surround us. But the main point being, the lavender would only flower at certain times and so Liz, for higher lavender content, you would need to be vigilant and spin the frames at peak lavender flowering season. I think that is part of the fun. Quite often each hive in an apiary will often have different flavours inside them, when the bees discover alternative sources so some hives, even some frames, can be more flavourful than the rest. As i said that is part of the fun really....like a lucky dip (hehe) never know what will come out carman James Kilty wrote in message news:+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk... > In article <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > writes > >I don't know for sure but my theory is this...bees will travel up to 2kms to > >find forage, > They will travel a lot more than that when there is good forage. Prof > Ratnieks at Sheffield found they went 11km to the heather. Students > calibrated the dances. I will check the distance and post some more info > when I get time. > snip > 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what > is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for > different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for > lavender as I don't have them in front of me. > A Book of Honey > Bees & Beekeeping > Honey: A Comprehensive Survey > I hope you do well as the whole family is excellent for honey especially > in warm climates!! > -- > James Kilty Article 26280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gblx.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thanks Lee's Bees! Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:24:03 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8maoe6$r5i$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-59.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 965272838 27826 209.130.165.59 (3 Aug 2000 03:20:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2000 03:20:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26280 What a nice surprise to see this neat little "box of bees" in the mail! My daughter loves them and has fun playing with them. Thanks Lee. --Busybee Article 26281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bigdude3211@aol.com (BigDude3211) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Breeding for Varroa resistence Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 2000 04:07:15 GMT References: <8lmjg8$lu2$2@news.wave.co.nz> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000803000715.06139.00000398@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26281 I believe that several comercial bee breeders in the US have been pursuing this route to mite resistance, with no consistant results. One thing to remember when you breed bees to enhance certain traits you also end up with several traits that for whatever reason are related. From personal observation with Italian bees breeding for cleanliness you also bringout aggressiveness, so you end up with a hive of "ornery" bees. Which for some beekeepers is counter productive. Will somone end up being sucessful following this line? Probably, however will we end up with queens that all beekeepers will want to use? No. We already know that we can breed queens that are generally resistant to AFB, but do most beekeepers use them? Good luck all Article 26282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!chico.franken.de!freenet-b!fen!fen.baynet.de!ua843 From: ua843@fen.baynet.de (Adalbert Goertz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: book Date: 3 Aug 2000 04:14:18 GMT Organization: Freenet Erlangen-Nuernberg-Fuerth Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8mariq$8cf$1@freenet-b.fen.baynet.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet-a.fen.baynet.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: freenet-b.fen.baynet.de 965276058 8591 194.95.193.11 (3 Aug 2000 04:14:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@fen.baynet.de NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2000 04:14:18 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26282 offer books for trade. see my website http//www.cyberspace.org/~goertz/ins.html -- -- ** Adalbert & Barbel Goertz ** ph 719-390-1088 ** Fax 419-730-9013 -- --- retired in Colorado Springs, (Colorado is a state of mind) --- German web hosting/Deutsche Web-Betreuung http://www.cyberspace.org/~goertz/web.html Article 26283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hobby Beekeeping in the UK ..? and small observation hives Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:38:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8lj7js$rg4$2@news.wave.co.nz> <8llufp$rgt$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8m2kkc$per$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 965202859 nnrp-07:8037 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26283 In article <8m2kkc$per$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >I'm hoping the present crisis doensn't impact enthusiam too hard over >here....especially in the event that our hobbyists are an aging crew. We have all ages of entry from about 30. snip >Like the bees had a mesmerising effect and they stood staring at the bees >for considerable lengths of time. The observation hives are soooo popular. snip >unfortunatel with the present crisis I wont be able to rtansport glass >observation hives round the expos etc. Surely within it using bees that stay in and outside with bees that originated outside? I must pluck up the courage to set one up. I am thinking about using an old queen I have just replaced and using a 2-frame hive. I will have to ensure that a permanent site can actually be managed. I have a "Bee Centre" in a hut and opening the hive is not possible, though I suppose I could detach it and open it up outside so long as there is a trap for returning bees so visitors won't get stray bees. Has anyone any experience of a small permanent observation hive? I need tips to help me take the step. I presume the main problem would be taking away excess bees from time to time. -- James Kilty Article 26284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!helios.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8lhvkt$sfq$1@gxsn.com> <8lihj7$t8n$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8lii2l$8co$1@gxsn.com> <8lkh89$b2u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <397DD6B0.87B641B6@nospam.boeing.com> <8ll562$nr2$1@gxsn.com> Subject: Re: badgers Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:57:57 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.3825.400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3987f0b6$0$229@helios.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.96.1.66 X-Trace: helios.is.co.za 965210294 229 192.96.1.66 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26284 We have them in Africa as well with the same disastrous consequences. We usually strap our hives to keep them out. Strapping is done for baboons as well. Cheers Glen "Christopher Dainton" wrote in message news:8ll562$nr2$1@gxsn.com... > You bet > Lots of badgers here in the UK > Big debate as to whether they should be protected or culled > Went to a badger watch last week > Saw 12 at a protected badger set > Fascinating > Dont think Ill keep bees near that place though > > Perhaps my friend will put a small fence around his nuc box and see how it > goes > Cheers > Chris > > > >This is OT but I am curious. Are there badgers in the UK? I thought they > >were a product of the Americas. > > > > Article 26285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-64.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:50:20 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965213481 203.96.152.26 (Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:51:21 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:51:21 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26285 Hi Carman > I don't exactly have a lavendar field as such so i can't really answer your > question, but we have planted a lot of lavender. This year i hope to get > busy and plant a lot more... We also have a lot of Lavender in our garden, but what we want to do is plant a couple of acres of Lavender. I want to know if this much Lavender right next to the bees will produce honey that I can call Lavender honey. I think it will be concentrated enough, but just wondered if anyone actually knew. > I am wondering whether your beekeeping club have an annual taste test? > Every year after the honey flow stops and all the spinning is complete, our > club get together and have a competition, we all bring samples of our finest > produce and they're placed on a central table, then we get out little ice > cream sticks to sample each jar and we note down the top 3 in each > category. It's fantasic fun and you get to sample the flavours from all over > the region. > Some of the more experienced members are able to tell you what plant the > honey is largely derived from, based on the colour and taste of the honey. > It's really an amazing exercise to compare all the flavours and i look > forward to this each year. Yes we did this earlier this year after all the extracting. It was great that the older beekeepers could tell me that one of my jars was definitely Clover and the other jar was Pohutukawa. I look forward to the day when I can do that by tasting and looking at the colour. Very clever. For my very first season I was given 1st prize. They judge on colour, taste and no bubbles. I found the taste of the bush honeys wonderful, colour really black and taste extremely strong. Real honey! This spring/summer will be interesting beekeeping with Varroa won't it? Thanks for your post Cheers Liz Brook Article 26286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m7csj$mk42@news.vtx.ch> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965213534.149082@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-64.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:51:32 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965213553 203.96.152.26 (Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:52:33 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 22:52:33 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26286 Thanks Martin-Paul. I think we'll give it a go. Cheers Liz Brook "Martin-Paul Broennimann" wrote in message news:8m7csj$mk42@news.vtx.ch... > Sure. In southern France lavender is widely cultivated and so is Miel de > Lavande. > Delicious. Very light in color, fine in taste. > > -- > Best regards..... > visit our website => www.broennimann.com > Neville Brook a écrit dans le message : > 965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > Does anyone put their hives amongst Lavender fields? If so, do you get > > Lavender honey, what is it like, is it concentrated enough to sell as > > Lavender honey? > > Cheers and thanks > > Liz Brook (Auckland, NZ) > > > > > > Article 26287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!finch!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!tattler!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39880B63.3A522F32@gsu.edu> From: "James D. Satterfield" Reply-To: jsatt@gsu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hobby Beekeeping in the UK ..? and small observation hives References: <8lj7js$rg4$2@news.wave.co.nz> <8llufp$rgt$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8m2kkc$per$1@news.wave.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:52:03 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.150.71 X-Trace: tattler 965217119 131.96.150.71 (Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:51:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 07:51:59 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26287 James, check out the top bar observation hive on my website. You will find that it works very well: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.208778N, -084.505859W (770) 479-4784 Top Bar Hive Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm TARSUS: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/tarsus/tarsus.htm 848th AC&W Sqdn, Det 45: http://www.po8.com/det45 Article 26288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed.germany.net!fr.clara.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Graham Read" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8m7bfk$rk2$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Help for beginner Lines: 72 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:20:48 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.252.9.32 X-Complaints-To: abuse@net.ntl.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 965222794 62.252.9.32 (Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:26:34 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:26:34 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26288 Paul Welcome to beekeeping ! If you haven't already I'd suggest getting in touch with a local club, there's bound to be a beekeeper near you who'd be happy to give you some help I'm sure. Try: LINCOLNSHIRE association contact: Mrs A Holderness, 01529 302774 (email ) Info taken from British Beekeepers Association web site: www.bbka.demon.co.uk Best of luck Graham (Hampshire, UK) ============================= Paul.A.Bowden wrote in message news:8m7bfk$rk2$1@plutonium.btinternet.com... > I have been asked to take over the long-neglected hives of a recently > deceased elderly beekeeper and am very keen to do so, both because it's been > a long-standing interest (though one fuelled by reading more than the really > useful practical experience) and because I don't want to see this old > gentleman's (he was 98 when he died!) colonies die out. > > I would be very grateful for advice, however. > > There are two colonies which cause me much the same problems. Both appear > very strong, with masses of bees entering with pollen and so on. > > However, both have been left or allowed to become (not by the late > beekeeper, I am sure) more or less as follows > > - the brood box is situated directly above an empty super, with the result > that the brood comb extends well below the bottom edge of the frame down > into the space below; > > - in both cases, the brood frames and comb are in a real mess - both on the > tops of the frames (which I can easily clean with a hive tool) and in that, > because of uneven placing and lack of management, many combs are more or > less completely joined by brace comb. > > I wonder what my best next move would be? Forgive me if this is a really > stupid suggestion. But... > > Could I place a new brood box, with new frames and foundation, above the > existing one in the hope that the queen will eventually move up into the new > one and start laying there? Then, when new eggs confirm her presence in the > tope one, place a queen excluder between the two? And eventually, when the > brood in the 'old' box has hatched, dispose of the old and foul frames? > > As I say, this may be utterly daft .... I shan't do anything until I have > some sort of reaction from someone. > > If it helps, my location is rural - a village in the East Midlands of > England (in Lincolnshire.) > > I shall be very grateful for any advice or suggestions. > > Paul > > Article 26289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:12:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.237.175 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 965344372 24.92.237.175 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:12:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:12:52 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26289 Pete wrote: > Has anyone seen results of any reseach as to what percentage of > hopelessly queenless colonies will develop laying workers ? > > I had always assumed that it always happens, but I have seen evidence > that in some cases it may not. Hmm. Haven't ever read anything about this in particular, but it is an interesting question. In my meager experience, a queenless colony always develops laying workers after a couple months anyway, if they have no eggs from which to rear a queen. I mean, I've never seen them just die off without developing laying workers first. Another interesting behavior I have noted MANY times is that some years, late in the season, in large colonies where the queen is restricted to the lower chambers by an excluder, laying workers will start rearing drones way up in the stack of honey supers. Even though the colony is queenright. It tends to happen in Aug/Sept, say, around the time of the goldenrod and aster nectar flows, at least here in central NY. It can be kind of frustrating when you go to harvest honey supers, and there is drone brood up there from the laying workers. Wonder if anyone else has seen this occur too, in any regular way... j Article 26290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:53:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8md0ma$l9l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.102 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 03 23:53:47 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x64.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.102 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26290 > JGinNY wrote: > Hmm. Haven't ever read anything about this in particular, but it is > an interesting question. In my meager experience, a queenless colony >always develops laying workers after a couple months anyway, if they >have no eggs from which to rear a queen. I mean, I've never seen them >just die off without developing >laying workers first. > > Another interesting behavior I have noted MANY times is that some >years, late in the season, in large colonies where the queen is >restricted to the lower chambers by an excluder, laying workers will >start rearing drones way up in the stack of honey supers. Even though >the colony is queenright. It tends to happen in Aug/Sept, say, around >the time of the goldenrod and aster nectar flows, at least here in >central NY. > > It can be kind of frustrating when you go to harvest honey supers, and > there is drone brood up there from the laying workers. > Wonder if anyone else has seen this occur too, in any regular way... *********************************************************** How JG -- Very intresting about laying workers deveoping upstairs. I have not seen this, but will be watching for it. I had a strong spring colony which swarmed, then stored a fair amount of spring honey. Dwindling quickly so that only a hand full of workers were left. All comb clean and in good condition. No dead brood, No laying workers. It's just as if the family let all the kids emerge and then just shucked out. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0226.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 20:57:41 -0500 Organization: Frankenstein Face, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <965354447.1613398485@news.CIS.DFN.DE> References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0226.nts-online.net (216.167.131.226) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 965354442 6452890 216.167.131.226 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: KRN http://ultra7.unl.edu.ar Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26291 >In my meager experience, a queenless colony always develops laying workers Mine too. They will always have someone laying something sooner or later, never fails. C.K. Article 26292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965283113.695485@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-110.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:02:43 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965283133 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:13 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:13 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26292 > looking forward to running barefoot thru your lavender fields....in slow > motion ....with a long flowing gown rippling in the gentle breeze... > trailing behind me > I'll have to plant the lavender just to complete the picture! Cheers Liz Article 26293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965283114.670397@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-110.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:06:33 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965283133 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:13 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:13 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26293 > 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what > is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for > different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for > lavender as I don't have them in front of me. Hi James, I know 2 acres isn't much for the bees, but it's just a venture to see if I can produce some different honey. I only have 3 1/2 hives here at home so we're not talking mega hives or anything. The only lavender honey I've come across is where the lavender flower heads are soaked in the honey. Seems a shame to call this lavender honey. I'd like to try the real stuff and if we can produce some essential oil and dried heads as well, then even better. > A Book of Honey > Bees & Beekeeping > Honey: A Comprehensive Survey > I hope you do well as the whole family is excellent for honey especially > in warm climates!! > -- > James Kilty Thanks James Article 26294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz><8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> <8maode$qsa$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Organization: Paradise Net Message-ID: <965283115.680943@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-80-110.ipn9.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:09:47 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 965283135 203.96.152.26 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:15 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:12:15 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26294 Carman wrote: > But the main point being, the lavender would only flower at certain times > and so Liz, for higher lavender content, you would need to be vigilant and > spin the frames at peak lavender flowering season. > > I think that is part of the fun. Quite often each hive in an apiary will > often have different flavours inside them, when the bees discover > alternative sources so some hives, even some frames, can be more > flavourful than the rest. > As i said that is part of the fun really....like a lucky dip > (hehe) never know what will come out > carma Hi Carman, Yep, the idea is to harvest at the time of the flow and not wait till it is finished, and that way we'll get some honey that is definitely lavender. We have a good selection of bush and pasture nectars here, so the bees will mix of course. It'll be fun and that's the main thing. > > James Kilty wrote in message > news:+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk... > > In article <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman > > writes > > >I don't know for sure but my theory is this...bees will travel up to 2kms > to > > >find forage, > > They will travel a lot more than that when there is good forage. Prof > > Ratnieks at Sheffield found they went 11km to the heather. Students > > calibrated the dances. I will check the distance and post some more info > > when I get time. > > snip > > 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what > > is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for > > different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for > > lavender as I don't have them in front of me. > > A Book of Honey > > Bees & Beekeeping > > Honey: A Comprehensive Survey > > I hope you do well as the whole family is excellent for honey especially > > in warm climates!! > > -- > > James Kilty > > Article 26295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mark Hale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8lhvkt$sfq$1@gxsn.com> <8lihj7$t8n$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <8lii2l$8co$1@gxsn.com> <8lkh89$b2u$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <397DD6B0.87B641B6@nospam.boeing.com> <8ll562$nr2$1@gxsn.com> <3987f0b6$0$229@helios.is.co.za> Subject: Re: badgers Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:38:27 +0200 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: pta-dial-196-31-189-191.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <398913f7.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 3 Aug 2000 08:40:55 +0200, pta-dial-196-31-189-191.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!pta-dial-196-31-189-191.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26295 The African Badger is a very aggresive animal, I have seen it fight off 2 adult female lions. So it is definatly not an animal to mess with. If it wants to get to your hives there is almost nothing you can do, electric fences do work some times, the only other option is a concrete hive. I have hear BUT not tried this solution. Badgers are very teritorial, and will not venture into a marked area. Apparently if you are brave enough to MARK your hives (as an animal would) the Badger will stay away. Due to our bees nature I have not tried this method. Regards Mark Hale From not so dark Africa Hosts Apimondia 2001 http://www.apimondia2001.com/ Article 26296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!nntp.ece.cmu.edu!xxxx1.sei.cmu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0865.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update Va. Killer bees Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 14:06:42 -0500 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20000720164912.01998.00000409@ng-bj1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0865.nts-online.net (216.167.135.229) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 965416002 1531628 216.167.135.229 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26296 >or wasp, not to panic. There are lots of things out there," he said, "that >are not killer bees." Dateline Amarillo, Tx. Two boys 'attacked' and stung by Killer bees? (after throwing a rock) Local peasants in uproar. Police, Fire fighters, and 'expert' from Animal Control dispatched to scene. Police and Fire fighters remain on location until 'expert' identifies wasps on small nest; officially declared 'not a threat.' Boys taken to hospital treated and released. Beekeeper gets calls from frantic people who are adults in a country with 12 years of free education that cannot tell a paper wasp's 'nest' a 'Cicada Killer' or a bumblebee from Shinola. C.K. Article 26297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:51:34 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <398ACA66.B89446FA@okstate.edu> References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76e3.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26297 JGinNY wrote: snip... > Another interesting behavior I have noted MANY times is that some years, > late in the season, in large colonies where the queen is restricted to the > lower chambers by an excluder, laying workers will start rearing drones > way up in the stack of honey supers. Even though the colony is > queenright. It tends to happen in Aug/Sept, say, around the time of the > goldenrod and aster nectar flows, at least here in central NY. > > snip... > > Wonder if anyone else has seen this occur too, in any regular way... > > j Just happened to me. Very strong hive of buckfast with two full deep broods, queen excluder and 3 full honey supers on top. Checked a week before and all was fine, pulled the supers next week and WaaaLaaa! instant drone brood. Only thing I can surmise is that the workers in the supers are so far away from the queen's pheromones that they start their own colony. The super the worker was laying in though was the bottom one of the three, right next to the excluder. When I checked for the queen...she was in the bottom brood way over on one side. And was not laying as well as she had this spring. In fact she's two years old and I already have split the hive and her replacement is in the split. We shall see how things turn out. Gary J. Article 26298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:54:12 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <398ACB04.B87544CF@okstate.edu> References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76e3.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26298 JGinNY wrote: snip... > Another interesting behavior I have noted MANY times is that some years, > late in the season, in large colonies where the queen is restricted to the > lower chambers by an excluder, laying workers will start rearing drones > way up in the stack of honey supers. Even though the colony is > queenright. It tends to happen in Aug/Sept, say, around the time of the > goldenrod and aster nectar flows, at least here in central NY. > > snip... > > Wonder if anyone else has seen this occur too, in any regular way... > > j Just happened to me. Very strong hive of buckfast with two full deep broods, queen excluder and 3 full honey supers on top. Checked a week before and all was fine, pulled the supers next week and WaaaLaaa! instant drone brood. Only thing I can surmise is that the workers in the supers are so far away from the queen's pheromones that they start their own colony. The super the worker was laying in though was the bottom one of the three, right next to the excluder. When I checked for the queen...she was in the bottom brood way over on one side. And was not laying as well as she had this spring. In fact she's two years old and I already have split the hive and her replacement is in the split. We shall see how things turn out. Gary J. Article 26299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0865.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 13:35:06 -0500 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <9k1mos4sfj8tmnd0a42vpilke35od5vfkl@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0865.nts-online.net (216.167.135.229) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 965414106 6676608 216.167.135.229 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26299 >You can avoid all of the work above by dissolving the chunks in alcohol I use regular window screen (aluminum not fiberglas) stretched on a frame that becomes the top of the hive. (inner cover if you want) Some bees deposit a lot of propolis on this screen, if it's close to the top of the frames, that is a bee space. If the distance is greater, they ignore it. If you want to produce a lot of propolis get Carniolans (midnights) they will propolis up everything. I 'harvest' propolis by replacing the full screen with a new one and putting it in the freezer. Lay down a sheet of newspaper and 'wad' up the (frozen) metal screen, all the propolis will fall unto the paper neatly sized already. Of debris and trash there isn't much. I pour all this into a quart jar and fill with 'everclear' (90%) ethanol. A rich golden transparent tincture results with the undesolvables in a residue at the bottom of the jar. After you've added the alcohol to the propolis 'chunks' you need to shake once a day for about 5 days then allow the mix to settle. Decant the tincture into little dropper bottles, or something more grand. After reading the informative and entertaining book: 'The Miracle of Propolis' by Mitja Vosnjak (ISBN 072250408 X) 1978 I don't think being concerned about what concentration to have is important. The book invites us to believe that Propolis in any concentration beats interferon in test every time. If you need to feel a concentration must be strong to be 'effective' then mix one volume of propolis crystals to two of alcohol. That will make a strong tincture and leave you enough to decant. C.K. p.s. last year there was a more detailed letter regarding Mr. Vosnjak's book which if it wasn't 'deleted' by censorious geeks, should still be in the archives. http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/sci.agriculture.beekeeping/ Article 26300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lavender Honey Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:25:36 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8mbbud$vpg$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <965101400.158727@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8m645b$lh2$1@news.wave.co.nz> <965213462.496593@shelley.paradise.net.nz> <8ma3gi$lp4$1@news.wave.co.nz> <+Ww+f0AYRLi5Ewbd@kilty.demon.co.uk> <965283114.670397@shelley.paradise.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p94.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 965292813 32560 203.96.192.94 (3 Aug 2000 08:53:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 2000 08:53:33 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-stock.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26300 Neville Brook wrote in message news:965283114.670397@shelley.paradise.net.nz... > > > 2 acres isn't much for a lot of bees. It will depend on precisely what > > is available at the time. Eva Crane gives hives per hectare for > > different crops in one of the books below. I cannot quote the value for > > lavender as I don't have them in front of me. > > Hi James, > I know 2 acres isn't much for the bees, but it's just a venture to see if I > can produce some different honey. I only have 3 1/2 hives here at home so > we're not talking mega hives or anything. > > The only lavender honey I've come across is where the lavender flower heads > are soaked in the honey. Seems a shame to call this lavender honey. it's like false advertising i started a wine making course this week thought it might be a good way to use up some excess honey and fruit and i was reading a recipe this evening for lavender wine it reminded me of this thread one of our beekeepers makes the most excellent feijoa mead well gotta go and melt some wax carman >I'd > like to try the real stuff and if we can produce some essential oil and > dried heads as well, then even better. > > > A Book of Honey > > Bees & Beekeeping > > Honey: A Comprehensive Survey > > I hope you do well as the whole family is excellent for honey especially > > in warm climates!! > > -- > > James Kilty > > Thanks James > > Article 26301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 216.67.28.159 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: bee attractant? CO2 exhalation? Lines: 13 From: pat mitchel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <102dbb40.d2a789b7@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com> Bytes: 470 X-Wren-Trace: eK6Lo6K7/Lb9/ruypr3+8Jy1sb+mq+e05aGuoOfo5rjv/rnh8rb18ff2 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:20:54 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.36 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 965302549 10.0.2.36 (Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:35:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 04:35:49 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26301 What is it that attracts bees to humans when the bees feels that their hive is under attack? I seem to recall reading that it was the co2 that is exhaled by attacker. If that is so, could not a small device using a co2 cartidge be made to draw the bees away from the human target? Regards Pat ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com Article 26302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee attractant? CO2 exhalation? Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 13:28:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <8mbs15$n8v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <102dbb40.d2a789b7@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.177 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 03 13:28:13 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.177 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26302 In article <102dbb40.d2a789b7@usw-ex0105-036.remarq.com>, pat mitchel wrote: > What is it that attracts bees to humans when the bees feels that > their hive is under attack? I seem to recall reading that it was > the co2 that is exhaled by attacker. If that is so, could not a > small device using a co2 cartidge be made to draw the bees away > from the human target? Regards Pat > Good idea Pat, and you're right about the human breath. I saw a special on TV a few months ago where a man breathed out through a long hose and was able to open a hive of african bees without disturbing them. As I recall he even approached from the front of the hive. But I suspect your plan wouldn't work because the co2 wouldn't necessarily draw the bees away. If it is the co2 that alarms them, once they were alarmed they would then be looking for the source of the alarm. A moving human would be a better candidate than a co2 cartridge. What I do is use a little smoke, very little, wait a couple of minutes, and then try to make sure I don't make any sudden moves as I work the hives. I also rub some honey on my hands before removing any frames. Sometimes I get stung anyway, but most of the time this works. It helps to respect their home. I try to remember that I'm a visitor in their home and act accordingly. Yesterday I opened 6 hives using this technique and didn't get stung once. I removed some supers and pulled out frames for inspection without the bees getting upset. I wore a veil over my face but no gloves and was wearing a T-shirt. Only my hands were rubbed with honey, not my bare arms. All of this is because year before last. when we started keeping bees, an old beekeeper told us that the secret to working with bees is to keep them from realizing that anything is going on. Sincerely, Herb Campbell Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 14:07:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 107 Message-ID: <8mbuan$p7d$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39870293.882315@news1.radix.net> <39882C13.956C243C@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.214 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 03 14:07:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.214 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26303 Darrell, Billy and Beekeep are right. You need more stings. Year before last and early last year I had some severe swelling from bee stings so I set out to get immune to them. This was a necessity because as Beekeep said, accidents do happen. I knew it was just a matter of time before I would do something stupid if I was going to keep bees. Plenty of bee stings is cheap insurance. And speaking of cheap, I try to always use crawling bees that are near the end of their life anyway when I purposely get stings to maintain my immunity. I try to get at least one to five a day. So far this year I've been stung 1176 times and am fairly immune to them now. In 1998 one sting on a finger caused my hand and arm up to the elbow to swell about 3 times normal size and it was painful for over a week. Day before yesterday my daughter and I removed an open air colony from a limb about 35 feet up in an oak tree and I got stung 13 times, once on the end of my nose and a couple on my neck, with no ill effects - except for the initial pain, of course. There are other benefits besides the peace of mind and insurance. Bee venom strengthens our immune system and is probably good for arthritis and many other ailments. Many of the stings I get on purpose are on my lower back and my previous chronic lower back pain has been gone for over a year now. By the way venom potency can vary drastically between bees from the same hive for many reasons. One is that guard bees, who are in the prime of their life, have more potent venom than older or younger bees. So even now I will occasionally get a sting that hurts and swells more than usual. Sincerely, Herb Campbell In article <39882C13.956C243C@nospam.boeing.com>, "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > Thought I would add my own experience as I am a first year newbie. After my > first initiation in early June which consisted of some 15-20 stings all within > a few seconds of each other, I started wearing a bee suit but not gloves. Since > then I get on average 1 sting a week, usually on my hand. I got my latest one > over the last weekend and for the first time experienced no pain after the > initial sting subsided, no swelling, and best of all, no itching! I think I am > finally starting to build an immunity after two months. > > Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > > I'm not sure about that because in the distant past, while taking a swarm > > out of a building wall, I was stung many times and they were not as bad as > > mosquito bites. Then about two months ago, I got another hive out of a > > building and got stung five times. Those puffed a little but not bad. First > > week in July I was just nicked through the glove on a finger and that finger > > swelled pretty good. This time, the finger swelled to where I can't bend it > > and my whole hand is puffy. > > It seems to be getting worse with each sting. > > Darrell > > > > wrote in message news:39870293.882315@news1.radix.net... > > > On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" > > > wrote: > > > > > > >My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me > > with > > > >the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and > > has a > > > >nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is > > also > > > >swollen. > > > >I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, > > but > > > >I don't know if it helped. > > > >What now? > > > >Darrell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Throw the gloves away, stop wearing rings, and get stung some more. > > > You will get used to it. > > > > > > beekeep > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Sting problem Date: 3 Aug 2000 16:05:37 GMT Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8mc58h$7sa$0@208.249.8.75> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.249.8.75 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26304 On Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:29:56 GMT, "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote: >My question is what to do about a sting. A bee just barely touched me with >the stinger through my glove yesterday. Today my finger is swollen and has a >nickel sized purple spot around the sting site. The back of my hand is also >swollen. >I took some antihistamines yesterday as I could see the swelling start, but >I don't know if it helped. >What now? >Darrell Reactions to bee stings vary greatly. I've read that even alergy/bee sting tests can't predict 100% how you will react to you next bee sting. Some people become more resistant, some become more sensitive. Some can go for years with little reaction, then react badly to a single sting. (A local bekeeper's wife I've talked to had not problems for years, then had a sudden anafalaxic (sp?) reaction to a sting) Personally I find my reaction depends mostly on where (on my body) I get stung. If I get stung on my fingers or hand, my hand swells (painfully sometimes like it's going to burst) and inches. I react similarly to stings on the soft parts of my face. I was stung under the eye and it swelled shut. This swelling goes away in about two days. I do find if I take benedryl immediately after I get stung, the affect is lessened somewhat. Elsewhere on the body, legs, arms, back, neck, behind the ears, top of my head, is is little more than a mosquito bite or a sore bruise. Needless to say I simply don't work without gloves and a veil. I can go out in just a long sleave shirt and jeans, and sometimes don't even use smoke on a good day when I'm just checking under the cover, but I simply can't work without the gloves. -Tim Article 26305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398B2E02.4D10@wp.bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Do bees work soybeans? References: <8m81cd$t5i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:56:34 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 965422762 147.226.103.42 (Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:59:22 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 15:59:22 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26305 jduncan57@my-deja.com wrote: > > I live in western Pa. and have just started two hives this summer. I > live near a farm that has several acres of soybeans. Do honey bees work > on this crop? And does it make a good honey? It will soon blossom and > would be a good nectar source before the goldenrod flow. Thanks in > advance for any answers. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Yes, bees do work on soybeans. I went to a conference a few years ago at Purdue University and a research agronomist gave a talk on this. There are certain soybean varieties that bees tend to work over others. This agronomist felt that southern Indiana had a better potential for making honey over the northern Indiana due to length of day and photoperiod. I harvest some soybean honey and is usually mixed in with clover honey. The blend is good tasting. Straight soybean honey has a bit of a strange flavor. Reminds me of the taste of a raw soybean. Different taste, but not necessarily bad. Article 26306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax Moth in stored boxes. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 23:04:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 965430248 24.112.111.157 (Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:04:08 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 16:04:08 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26306 I purchased a retiring beekeepers entire stock of goods in the spring. There are 16 hive bodies, with some filled comb, some de-capped comb and some with empty frames. His hives were infested with wax-moth damage, and so I am not using them. The problem is that the wax moth are back in force. The boxes are in my garage, and there are zillions of moths! Any ideas on solving this problem? Will napthalene moth balls do the trick or should I use something else? I am eventually going to render the wax, so I don't care if the comb is damaged. Any advice appreciated. Regards, Glen Archer. Article 26307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398B5AED.29B9F1C3@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BeeCool Hive Ventilators References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:08:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.244 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 965433925 208.13.202.244 (Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:05:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 20:05:25 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26307 I do believe I would spend the $125 on another colony of bees, and not some contraption supposed to ventilate a colony of bees better than the bees do it themselves. Ron Reil wrote: > I read with interested the comments about the "BeeCool Ventilator" in the > latest "Bee Culture", and am considering buying one. I would be very > interested in any comments from anyone who has tried them on their own > hives. For anyone interested, they have a good web site at www.beecool.com . > > Thank you. > > Ron > > -- > > Golden Age Forge > http://www.webpak.net/~rreil/Forge.htm > E-Mail: rreil@micron.net > Boise, Idaho > > > Article 26308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: buzibeelee@aol.com (Buzibeelee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Aug 2000 08:08:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: two queens + earwigs Message-ID: <20000805040849.23238.00000048@ng-ft1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26308 Thanks, James. I went on vacation and before I left, I replaced the older queen and left the younger. I sure would like to learn more about the two-queen system so I'll read up on it. The hive, still, has a bunch of earwigs--don't seem to be doing much harm, tho when you open the top cover, they sure go running for cover.... Article 26309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Moth in stored boxes. Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 14:02:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8mh6pg$ihf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.168 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 05 14:02:25 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x71.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.168 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26309 In article <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com>, Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> wrote: > I purchased a retiring beekeepers entire stock of goods in the spring. > There are 16 hive bodies, with some filled comb, some de-capped comb and > some with empty frames. His hives were infested with wax-moth damage, > and so I am not using them. The problem is that the wax moth are back in > force. The boxes are in my garage, and there are zillions of moths! > Any ideas on solving this problem? Will napthalene moth balls do the > trick or should I use something else? I am eventually going to render > the wax, so I don't care if the comb is damaged. Any advice appreciated. > Regards, Glen Archer. > Glen, I just received this web site from Florida Beekeepers when I asked about a wax moth problem. Very informative. http://www.beesource.com/pov/lusby/waxmoth.htm Acetic acid looks like a good treatment. Also it looks like we should always render wax quickly instead of letting it accumulate as I did. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!skin02.micron.net!news03.micron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ron Reil" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BeeCool Hive Ventilators Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:28:32 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.19.158.241 X-Trace: news03.micron.net 965406501 209.19.158.241 (Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:28:21 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:28:21 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26310 I read with interested the comments about the "BeeCool Ventilator" in the latest "Bee Culture", and am considering buying one. I would be very interested in any comments from anyone who has tried them on their own hives. For anyone interested, they have a good web site at www.beecool.com . Thank you. Ron -- Golden Age Forge http://www.webpak.net/~rreil/Forge.htm E-Mail: rreil@micron.net Boise, Idaho Article 26311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Aug 2000 08:59:06 GMT References: <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Wax Moth in stored boxes. Message-ID: <20000805045906.29952.00000368@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26311 >The problem is that the wax moth are back in >force. The boxes are in my garage, and there are zillions of moths! >Any ideas on solving this problem? Will napthalene moth balls do the >trick or should I use something else? I am eventually going to render >the wax, so I don't care if the comb is damaged. Napfthalene will do the trick, but most people use PDB, obtainable from any dealer in beekeeping supplies. Put a little in each box, with newspaper taped in place between them so moth can't run right through a stack. Give them a good airing before you use them again. Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 26312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398CC4DC.DF4743FB@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> <8md0ma$l9l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <398CC2FE.DFAB4E6F@cornell.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:45:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 965526342 24.24.11.117 (Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:45:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:45:42 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26312 P.S. -- They left behind NO queen cells. It wasn't even like late-season swarming. They just took off. I think the tiny number of bees that were in the hive by the time I got 'round to it were ones that had emerged from capped cells after the colony "split." Anyway, it was weird. seeya, joel Article 26313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wet supers Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Aug 2000 01:53:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26313 I hear you're supposed to give "wet supers back to the bees". How do you best accomplish this? Put out where all the bees can clean them out (or will this encourage widespread robbing)? Put individual supers back on individual hives? If so, how do you get them to clean it out rather than just using what is there/left as the beginning of another super (which I sure don't want since I leave enough for them to winter over without adding a super)? Put the wet super on the top or possibly should it be put on the bottom so they'll store the honey on one of the top bodies? Thnx. Buzzylee Article 26314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398CC2FE.DFAB4E6F@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> <8md0ma$l9l$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 01:37:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 965525861 24.24.11.117 (Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:37:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 21:37:41 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26314 Pete wrote: I had a strong spring colony which swarmed, then stored a fair amount > of spring honey. Dwindling quickly so that only a hand full of workers > were left. All comb clean and in good condition. No dead brood, No > laying workers. It's just as if the family let all the kids emerge and > then just shucked out. OK Pete -- Check this out: A couple of years ago I had one of my best, strongest colonies "swarm" in late Aug. Or, more accurately, they completely abandoned the hive, except for a handful of bees left behind. Left several combs of capped brood, and 4-5 full medium supers of nice capped honey. I discovered this condition just a few days after they left -- I think. In effect, they "absconded." Never seen anything like it! Certainly was surprising that they left BROOD behind. It had been a huge colony all summer, and a really good honey producer. I chalked it up to a ~distressed~ condition caused by a heavy varroa mite load. (Hadn't treated that yard with Apistan that year.) Must have been a very very large swarm! But I lost 'em. It was quite a surprising discovery. The only bright side to the whole situation was that harvesting the honey supers was a sinch -- they were all empty of bees. Go figure... j Article 26315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone-0.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <398CCD57.FD5FE047@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Laying Workers - Always ? References: <8m5dqr$va7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3989FE09.E18CDB53@cornell.edu> <398ACA66.B89446FA@okstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:21:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.24.11.117 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 965528510 24.24.11.117 (Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:21:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 22:21:50 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26315 Gary Johns wrote:. > ...Only thing I can surmise is that the workers in the supers are so far away > from the > queen's pheromones that they start their own colony. I alway just attributed it to this, too. In my experience, the drone brood (presumably laying-worker) has always been found quite a ways up in the stack of honey-supers, considerably isolated from the brood nest proper. I just figued his drone brood was a result of that portion of the colony's isolation from their laying queen, her brood, and consequently, her pheromones. But then, I dunno... j Article 26316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <398B4CE8.B14D040E@home.com> Subject: Re: Wax Moth in stored boxes. Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:57:30 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.12 X-Complaints-To: residential-security@team.look.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 965530264 204.244.87.12 (Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:51:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 19:51:04 PDT Organization: Look Communications - http://www.look.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26316 You could freeze them, two days in a freezer does the trick. Do not overlook all the other hive components, especially if you have a cover with tin above it, wax moth could be numerous "under" the tin Have fun, Normand Article 26317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000805215308.08933.00000502@ng-fw1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Wet supers Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:59:47 -0700 N