Articles 13590-13650 are missing from this file--try deja news. I'll see if I can't fix this sometime. Adam Finkelstein 9/8/98 Article 13651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:55:49 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-33.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!weld.news.pipex.net!hose.news.pipex.net!grot.news.pipex.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-33.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:43 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13651 soc.culture.british:393263 uk.misc:119596 >Bits? BITS???? It's *bee* *vomit* for Christ's sake, man. It's *HORRIBLE*. > Yum yum. Article 13654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0031.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:20:07 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 20 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <01bdbe7d$d59f0580$0100007f@clipper> <35c67349.1268160@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <3614b232.187958855@news.demon.co.uk> <35cb2247.4654553@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0031.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:45 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13654 >thixotropic ... > (1) Jelly-like until agitated, when it turns liquid, then if left > alone, gels again, until agitated, etc., ...like ketchup! (or maybe in the UK it's "catsup"?) Regarding heather honey, I recently received a jar of it as a gift, from a friend in Scotland. It is fully granulated and opaque in the jar, and evidently that is how the producer packs it for the retail market. I'm wondering: If I were to warm the honey to change it back to liquid state, would it then have the typical thixotropic consistency? And does heather honey tend to granulate anyway, or might there have been some blossom or rape honey blended in to bring about thorough and even granulation? tnx- J. Article 13655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!cognant.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: mike@cognant.demon.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Api life var Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:21:47 GMT Organization: Cognant Consultants Limited Message-ID: <902352107.26418.1.nnrp-04.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> References: <1998072420474700.QAA28894@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cognant.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: cognant.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.107 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902352107 nnrp-04:26418 NO-IDENT cognant.demon.co.uk:158.152.55.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Lines: 25 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13655 In article <1998072420474700.QAA28894@ladder01.news.aol.com>, friess@aol.com says... > >Has anybody experience with 'api life var' a varroacide based on essential oils >and give me information about its efficacy. > >Thanks in advance >and greetings from Munich, > >Friedrich Try http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/2352/ for results of trial in Devon, UK. The results were good We have tried it on a few hives here in Northern England and the results were also good. We got a similar knockdown rate to the use of Bayvarol. With the present UK laws on bee treatment it is questionable if Apilife is still legal in the UK regards, Mike Rowbottom Article 13656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!128.186.6.106.MISMATCH!news.fsu.edu!nntp.cntfl.com!news-out.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: can $ be made in bee keeping?? Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:07:13 -0700 Organization: Not Applicable Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <6q2lv7$s0i$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp01.pe.net X-Trace: market.pe.net 902113479 15685 207.49.163.160 (3 Aug 1998 03:04:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 1998 03:04:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13656 Honey is very popular right now, but it is severly underpriced. Some say it is unnaturally underpriced because of the Communist Chinese government subsidized honey that floods like the Yangtsee River into the honey markets. It is also known that the Chinese Communists, besides cutting the beekeepers' overhead down to nothing and paying them a subsistence, feed the bees on corn syrup, not nectar, because by doing so they can produce more "honey" and sell it to the big cereal makers and others vwho are profiting on the current popularity of "honey". In any event, if the honey markets were to normalize, pure honey in the comb would be worth a lot, and beeswax even more, and you could be in business right at the right time, but what do I know? In article <6q2lv7$s0i$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, UZEQ43A@prodigy.com says... > I have seven acres and have been following this and other ng's in an > effort to determine what might be a viable project for me economically.... > can you make any money in the bee/honey business?? jt > > Article 13657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "met" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: problems with bee eater Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:15:19 +0200 Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6q4juk$2o7$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp227.195.redestb.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!134.222.90.2.MISMATCH!EU.net!Portugal.EU.net!rccn.net!news-ge.switch.ch!newsfeed.uk.ibm.net!ibm.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.bcn.ibernet.es!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13657 I have problems with a bird wich eat my bees, is the "bee eater". What do i do? Article 13658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: can $ be made in bee keeping?? Date: 3 Aug 1998 04:14:45 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6q3dfl$7mv@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <6q2lv7$s0i$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!130.207.244.101.MISMATCH!GT-News!cc.gatech.edu!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!andromeda.vec.net!news.gs.net!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13658 If you haven't done it before, try it on a small scale. See whether you like the hard work. Then, if you do, figure out how much it is going to cost you to gear up. Some folks will probably comment on the pollination business, including the equipment it takes to move the hives around. Lord knows, most agricultural areas need the pollinators. In a previous article, UZEQ43A@prodigy.com (John Taylor) says: >I have seven acres and have been following this and other ng's in an >effort to determine what might be a viable project for me economically.... >can you make any money in the bee/honey business?? jt > > -- Article 13659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:33:30 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35c7bca6.314976@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <01bdbe7d$d59f0580$0100007f@clipper> <35c67349.1268160@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <3614b232.187958855@news.demon.co.uk> <35cb2247.4654553@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-47.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 26 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-47.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:46 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13659 On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:20:07 -0400, jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) wrote: >>thixotropic ... >> (1) Jelly-like until agitated, when it turns liquid, then if left >> alone, gels again, until agitated, etc., > >...like ketchup! > >(or maybe in the UK it's "catsup"?) > >Regarding heather honey, I recently received a jar of it as a gift, from a >friend in Scotland. It is fully granulated and opaque in the jar, and >evidently that is how the producer packs it for the retail market. > >I'm wondering: If I were to warm the honey to change it back to liquid >state, would it then have the typical thixotropic consistency? And does >heather honey tend to granulate anyway, or might there have been some >blossom or rape honey blended in to bring about thorough and even >granulation? > If heather honey has granulated, I think it probably has some other honey mixed with it. Of course this may have happened in the hive, and is not necessarily any fault of the beekeeper. Warming may help, the only way to find out is try it but keep the heat low and gentle. But I'm sure someone out theere knows better, and can clear this up for both of us! Article 13660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: helmick@webtv.net (donna helmick) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: combining a small swarm with weak hive Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 31 Message-ID: <9307-35C8D625-54@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <35C5E5A2.44878B66@ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRNEN+Nj54ueqEjIDGN0Sc4v/mKLwIUbKpfOSoUHYYFKunbXfJhGy0320U= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13660 I combined two hives about six weeks ago using newspaper to separate the brood boxes. It worked very well. (Knock on wood.) I had one hive from last summer that lost its queen. Up until she disappeared, my hive was strong. but within weeks there was no brood and no sign of the marked queen. I had just introduced a new Buckfast queen to an Italian hive that survived the winter but was barely hanging on. It was purely an act of desperation. I cannot lift supers once they are full of drawn wax and brood. I have to take frames out of one box and put in an empty super sitting next to the hive. No big deal unless you have two full deeps. It's amazing how patient bees can be to ineptitude. Anyway, when I decided to combine the hives, I had just spent a very hot afternoon inspecting my other hives, so decided to try it. I picked up a very light deep with queen, carried it to the queenless hive with 2 almost full deeps and one shallow super, took off lid and inner cover, laid a couple of open newspaper pages over top and punched a few holes in it, then put deep w/queen on top and put back inner cover and top. I then walked away not really caring what happened to the darned thing. We then had a series of very bad thunder storms. Between that and my job, I didn't check the hive for about three weeks. When I did, it was full of brood and a lot of very busy bees. I broke the hive down, put the brood and queen into the bottom hive body, honey and pollen into the second deep, queen excluder, and topped with shallow super. This gave me one whole deep with drawn out comb to distribute to my other new hives. Article 13661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:26:37 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 48 Message-ID: <6qaq2k$j4i$1@supernews.com> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.35 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 902359956 .ZFUVYH4M1C23D0EBC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:47 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13661 soc.culture.british:393452 uk.misc:119676 JGinNY wrote: > > In article <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>, > jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) wrote: > > > >Bits? BITS???? It's *bee* *vomit* for Christ's sake, man. It's *HORRIBLE*. > > > > > Yum yum. > > > "Vomit" would imply some sort of digestive system illness, and that honey > is somehow not clean. The bees are not sick. They don't harbor or spread > human illness, and for that matter, I'm not sure Christ has anything to do > with it. > > In its defense, honey is one of the purest, most wholesome foods you can > get. Basically a solution of sugars, it does not require pasteurization, > refrigeration or preservatives, it stores fine for years, and in fact, > even exhibits marked antiseptic qualities. The honey bees themselves are > extremely sanitary animals, and thrive solely on plant byproducts -- > nectar and pollen. > > (Consider some other "fine" foods. Prawns, lobster, beef, certain fishes, > mushrooms, etc. are frequently reared in conditions of filth, yet they are > high-priced delicacies. No concern there. Salami is heart tissue. Eggs > are chicken ova. Milk comes from the bovine mammary gland. Flour, peanut > butter and ketchup always contain certain amounts of insect parts. It's a > given. Haggis, sweetbreads, tripe, caviar... now there, one might have > cause for concern(!), but then it all depends.) > > There is simply nothing wrong with honey, unless you don't enjoy its > particular flavor, and that varies widely depending on the floral > sources. As with breads, cheeses, or even ice cream, don't knock it if > you've only sampled a few kinds. > > Now, I prefer maple syrup to honey, myself, but just the same, I wouldn't > call it *HORRIBLE*! > > Geez. I agree. Isn't it time to get this newsgroup back on track? There are plenty other places where postings like this thread can be supported - this should not be one of them. There is surely an alt.stupid, alt.ignorant or alt.letmeshowmyass that would be a lot more appropriate. Article 13662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nucs Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:11:55 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35C92D0B.441C@kingston.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.47.80.64 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 902366154 VRL06/YYI5040CE2FC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13662 I started a new colony two weeks ago with 3 frames of capped brood and two frames honey. The new queen is laying nice and the bees are drawing out the sixth and seventh frame. In a mid day inspection there are bees covering 5 frames, with eggs in two frames so far. I also put a feeder on top hoping this would speed up the wax building. I live in Eastern Ontario along Lake Ontario. Should I be considering investing a booster pack of bees? I don't really want to remove any more bees from my other two hives. Or do you think there is time for the colony to build up on its own? Thanks Kent Stienburg Article 13663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!weld.news.pipex.net!hose.news.pipex.net!grot.news.pipex.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!krypton.inbe.net!INbe.net!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!axalotl.demon.co.uk!axalotl!usenet From: huge@axalotl_nospam.demon_nospam.co.uk (Hugh Davies) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: 5 Aug 1998 20:37:13 GMT Organization: Piglet's Pickles and Preserves Message-ID: <6qafpp$eoa@axalotl.demon.co.uk> References: Reply-To: huge@axalotl_nospam.demon_nospam.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: axalotl.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: axalotl.demon.co.uk:158.152.24.143 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902371794 nnrp-10:4513 NO-IDENT axalotl.demon.co.uk:158.152.24.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net x-no-archive: yes Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:48 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13663 soc.culture.british:393519 uk.misc:119684 In article , jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) writes: >In its defense, honey is one of the purest, most wholesome foods you can >get. No it's not. It's regurgitated by bees to feed baby bees. It is not "pure", "wholesome" or "food". -- "The British are subtle, but nasty when provoked." --spaf http://www.axalotl.demon.co.uk [Remove "_nospam" for email] Article 13664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet-feed2!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!svr-c-01.core.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: &wasteofspace&@orla.demon.co.uk (William Oakey) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:31:08 GMT Organization: [not set] Lines: 13 Message-ID: <35d47125.5797469@news2.theplanet.co.uk> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6qaq2k$j4i$1@supernews.com> Reply-To: &wasteofspace&@orla.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.grosvenor-of-london.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:49 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13664 soc.culture.british:393586 uk.misc:119716 On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:26:37 -0500, AL wrote: > >I agree. >Isn't it time to get this newsgroup back on track? There are plenty >other places where postings like this thread can be supported - this >should not be one of them. There is surely an alt.stupid, alt.ignorant >or alt.letmeshowmyass that would be a lot more appropriate. > Damn right, these limey faggots and their pathetic bees, why I heard that an English swarm was when two bees met and headed in the same direction. Article 13665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!lettings.demon.co.uk!victoria From: victoria@lettings.demon.co.uk (Victoria) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:34:37 +0100 Message-ID: <1ddc6wo.1o2fl4x10pjbfkN@lettings.demon.co.uk> References: <01bdbe7d$d59f0580$0100007f@clipper> <35c67349.1268160@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <3614b232.187958855@news.demon.co.uk> <35cb2247.4654553@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q6ena$dos@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6qafpp$eoa@axalotl.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lettings.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: lettings.demon.co.uk:158.152.166.143 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902403100 nnrp-02:17338 NO-IDENT lettings.demon.co.uk:158.152.166.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3 Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:50 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13665 soc.culture.british:393614 uk.misc:119733 Hugh Davies wrote: > No it's not. It's regurgitated by bees to feed baby bees. It is not > "pure", "wholesome" or "food". Aw, that just makes it sound cute. -- Victoria Article 13666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!weld.news.pipex.net!cold.news.pipex.net!warm.news.pipex.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!newshost.open.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 13:42:26 +0100 Organization: Oh dear. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <35C9A4B2.523A78CE@open.ac.uk> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcms077.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:51 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13666 soc.culture.british:393629 uk.misc:119743 Hugh Davies wrote: > In article <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>, jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) writes: > >On 4 Aug 1998 07:54:18 GMT, huge@axalotl_nospam.demon_nospam.co.uk > >(Hugh Davies) wrote: > >>In article <35cb2247.4654553@goodnews.nildram.co.uk>, jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) writes: > >>>Someone claimed London Honey was very highly regarded in England. > >>Honey is weepings from the picked scabs of the haemarrhoids of Satan. > >Mmmm...smashing on a bit of toast. Especially if it's got bits in > Bits? BITS???? It's *bee* *vomit* for Christ's sake, man. It's *HORRIBLE*. Yeah, awful. No idea where the bees get their diced carrot, though. Hmm, what knowlege - I can see you're a country boy. R. -- My newsfeed is erratic :. post+e-mail to be sure I receive your msg. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Little darlins. The Open University is not responsible for content herein, which may be incorrect and is used at reader's own risk. Article 13667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!server3.netnews.ja.net!server4.netnews.ja.net!server2.netnews.ja.net!ral!usenet From: Mike Warren Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:25:42 +0100 Organization: Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, Oxon, UK Lines: 11 Message-ID: <35C81705.6B0485A2@rl.ac.uk> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: comet.cis.rl.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:52 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13667 soc.culture.british:393637 uk.misc:119746 JAF wrote: > >Bits? BITS???? It's *bee* *vomit* for Christ's sake, man. It's > *HORRIBLE*. > > > Yum yum. Honey is wonderful stuff.....especially spread of some hot crumpet!;) Mike Warren. Article 13668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!ussun2n!ggr.co.uk!weld.news.pipex.net!bowl.news.pipex.net!warm.news.pipex.net!heat.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!diablo.theplanet.net!svr-c-01.core.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: &wasteofspace&@orla.demon.co.uk (William Oakey) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,soc.culture.british,uk.misc Subject: Re: London Bees Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 14:24:09 GMT Organization: [not set] Lines: 8 Message-ID: <35ebbbba.24893036@news2.theplanet.co.uk> References: <35c9fa72.6520693@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <6q7s5i$e07@axalotl.demon.co.uk> <35c80aa1.1003206@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <35C81705.6B0485A2@rl.ac.uk> Reply-To: &wasteofspace&@orla.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: mail.grosvenor-of-london.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 X-No-Archive: yes Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:53 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13668 soc.culture.british:393650 uk.misc:119761 On Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:25:42 +0100, Mike Warren wrote: > >Honey is wonderful stuff.....especially spread of some hot crumpet!;) > Cover her with black cherry yoghourt, it is a healthier and less sticky option and tends not to tax the tongue too much. Article 13669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Api life var Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:56:47 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <20185-35C98BEF-15@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <902352107.26418.1.nnrp-04.9e98376b@news.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAgj/bPsIITvYkyfWNZfucwjjSwr0CFCFgZ+ZkfMbT3W5zdLYm86oN2jLa Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13669 What is API LIFE VAR. BUD Article 13670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive beetle Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:54:15 -0400 Lines: 12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.89 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.89 Message-ID: <35ca17f7.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.89 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13670 Greetings!.. life cycle,longevity,control,etc..of the hive beetle located here: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 13671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!not-for-mail From: Eric Maloney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,rec.arts.books.marketplace Subject: FS [eBay]: books on bees and beekeeping Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:24:02 -0400 Organization: MV Communications Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35CA3B0F.560C2D6A@maloney.mv.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pnh-1-09.mv.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13671 rec.arts.books.marketplace:151960 I have the following four books up for auction at eBay. Click the appropriate link for more info (including full table of contents), to view images, or to bid. All auctions close on 8/13: "Honey by the Ton" by Oliver Field, Barn Owl Books (London; no U.S. edition) 1983, hardcover with dust jacket, 198 pages (approx. 8.75" x 5.5"), illustrated with drawings and b&w photos. Bidding starts at $7. Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24440886 "The Life of the Bumblebee," by D.V. Alford, Davis-Poymer (London) 1978, hardcover with dust jacket, 78 pages, with center section of b&w photos. (This book is OOP in the U.S.; I don't know about availability in the U.K.) Bidding starts at $7. Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24441063 "Bee-Keeping at Buckfast Abbey with a Section on Meadmaking," by Brother Adam, published by British Bee Publications, 1980 reprint of 1975 book, hardcover with glossy, illustrated cover, 85 pages, illustrated with b&w photos. Bidding starts at $7. Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24441237 "Rearing Queen Honey Bees" by Roger A. Morse, Wicwas Press (Ithaca, N.Y.) 1979, no edition stated, hardcover with dust jacket, 128 pages ,illustrated with b&w photos. Bidding starts at $5. Go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=24441976 Article 13672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: cbrand9587@aol.com (CBrand9587) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ancient hives! Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998080700140800.UAA25771@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 00:14:08 GMT Organization: AOL Bertelsmann Online GmbH & Co. KG http://www.germany.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13672 I have some picīs of ancient hives on my Hompage! http://members.aol.com/CBrand9587/bienenmus.html Article 13673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!uunet!in3.uu.net!iafrica.com!news01.iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protective Garments for Beekeepers Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:07:33 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6q6jot$p7k$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-75.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13673 Mountain Bee Products is owned and directed by Robin and Stella of Mphumalanga South Africa. Our company specializes in the manufacturing of Protective Garments for you the Beekeeper. Our superior range of Mountain Bee Veil, Jacket and Beekeepers Suits is now being used with confidence on all five continents. Take a look a our Web Page at http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html Please feel free to get back to me for a price list in your own countries currency. I am also looking for more international distributors. ROBIN J. MOUNTAIN mountbee@iafrica.com begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO References: <35dcc6b2.7725227@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQXtipJnGTOZ2JKEraczGHbGrLoYgIUPw9lNQXy9GdYGCYlNfAXnjfdado= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13674 I din't know that some of our Gov. workers were over in the UK working now. Y'all cant get any more out of them than we can. BUD Article 13675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee - varroa mite Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998080715351700.LAA28914@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 15:35:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qf3vm$4aju$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13675 For an indepth "guide" to the drone-cell method check out Barry Bireky's page at http://www.brikey.com and click on beekeepng Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee - varroa mite Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 10:44:54 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6qf3vm$4aju$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <6qdc58$15a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-05.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 7 Aug 1998 14:46:14 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/71db885704760393 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13676 Some beekeepers in Europe are using one "all drone cell frame" in each hive, replacing it on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. They check for varroa by opening up drone cells within the hive, observing the number of varroa on the drone pupae which may indicate the level of the infestation. Apparently, the mites prefer drone cells. a_massari@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6qdc58$15a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >There is someone that knows some natural methods for the varroa mite >whitout use any chemical product? >Please send me suggestion about. Thanks. >Antonio M. > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0118.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening, and removing the honey crop (Beginners advice) Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 13:06:12 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 47 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <6qekpt$s87$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0118.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13677 Hi Paul - You can process the honey w/o an extractor thusly: You can just cut the combs from the frames, mash them up, and let them drain (through some nylon mesh) over a pail. In a couple days the wax will be practically dry, and can rinse it with water and it's ready to be melted down. The honey collected in the container below can be skimmed, strained through a finer mesh if desired, and bottled. If the super-combs were built on wired foundation, you probably don't want to destroy them and have to replace the foundation. Instead, this works reasonably well: Take a metal spoon (table-spoon) or some other implement, and start scraping the cell walls and honey off the foundation base. Scrape it right down to the midrib, being careful not to poke through. Let the honey and broken wax bits fall into a soup-strainer or colander set over a pot, where it can drain for a several hours. Once you have scraped it down to the foundation, you can use a spatula to get most of the remaining honey that is still on the cell-bases. Or, just stand the frames up in a large container, set it in a warm place and let the honey collect at the bottom. By leaving the foundation with the cell ridges mainly intact, you can return the frames to the bees and they will rebuild the comb next time around, as they would from new foundation. --- etc: 1) Many beekeepers prefer to maintain queens less than a year old, but it's not imperative. Colonies with current-year queens are less likely to swarm, but on the other hand some queens can keep laying well for 2-3 seasons or more. You can certainly let a good productive queen keep going, if you like, and allow the bees to replace her when they "decide" she is running down. This natural supersedure is usually quite successful, and the replacement/daughter queen will carry on the colony well. 2) If a queen is lost, or begins to fail, as long as there are worker eggs or larvae up to 3 days old or so present in the hive, the bees can rear a queen. enjoy the honey! joel Article 13678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!206.165.113.230.MISMATCH!nntpX.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening, and removing the honey crop (Beginners advice) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1998080716002900.MAA25082@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 16:00:28 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qekpt$s87$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13678 RE: 1) - late Spring, when the honey flow is on would be the "best" time to requeen your operation. The hive will readily accpet a new queen and more importantly, queen breeders will have had a period of time with good flight weather to help insure a well-mated queen. There are several very good qwueen breeders in the UK, most notably Buckfast Abbey. You can contact (Ibeleieve this is the right group name) the Devonshire Breeders Association and the Kent Beekeepers Association, both of which have websites (I don't have the URLs at hand but they link off of my homepage at http://members.aol.com/beetools - as well as off several other's pages). Your biggest problem is to keep your operation from expanding. Your bees will grow and their natural desire is to reproduce (swarm). You should find a locate beekeeper that wants to expand and trade/sell them your excess frames of brood in early Spring. this will give you some income and help keep your bees from swarming. 2) - The bees will select a group of fertilized eggs (less than thre days old) and build queen cells around these eggs and raise new queens. This is one reason you need to be on the alter for a failing queen to keep from minimuizing the bees chance to requeenBut, better yet, YOU should off the failing queen and replace her with a queen whos genetics (and therefore traits) you select, not the bees. 3) - squish, strain and drain Good luck, Ron Bennett, Luckaimute Bee Article 13679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998080715411900.LAA23000@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 15:41:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13679 Tell your friend that he is waisting his time with this technique and his "greed" to get a samll amount of honey could ulimately lead to the loss of his entire operation in a "bad" mite year (varroa populations do run on about a three-five year cycle depending on your location) The purpose of mite treatments are not just to knock down the mite population, it is to break the brood cycle. By removing the strips and reinstalling them he has killed only the older audlt mites and not the breeding mothers and thier young. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 13680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey pot ants Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 11:21:41 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35CB1B85.D58@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d39.dial-5.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 7 Aug 1998 15:22:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13680 Does anyone know the natural range of these critters. Could they be raised for honey? They could be marketed as grapes with legs. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.ca.nortel.com!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!news From: Sharon Gibbs Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Devon:UK Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:13:49 +0100 Organization: Nortel Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35CB43DD.C9FD8455@bottom.of.post> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncldm395.europe.nortel.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13681 Are there any beekeepers in North Devon, UK who would be prepared to coach a novice beekeeper? All advice welcome. A neighbour, an established beekeeper has suffered an anaphylactic (Spelling?) shock as a result of a couple of stings and has been advised to re-home her bees. I was delighted when they were offered my way, but am anxious to understand the bees and be able to work with them effectively as soon as possible. I have no immediate desire to harvest any product. Just keeping them well for the time being will be sufficient. Many Thanks...Sharon -- Reply email address is sharon dot gibbs at nortel dot com The views expresed above do not respresent those of my employer. Article 13682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa Keeler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: 7 Aug 98 14:26:31 GMT Organization: PSINet Lines: 48 Message-ID: <01bdc239$2a679dc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13682 I too have heard of this method and I would make the following changes if using this myself. 1. Throw away the apistan strips after using them for the first 2 week treatment. 2. Apply new apistan strips for 6 weeks later after the flow rather than treat for only 4 weeks. To me this seems like a logical way to rescue an overly infested hive and still be able to catch a late run. I don't see any way that this should encourage resistance but it may be flawed because you are not doing a complete cleanup of the mites in August as they suggest. Can anyone critique this thinking and point out where the flaws are? Lisa K. Indiana dugan1@usit.net wrote in article <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... > Recently at the area bee club meeting, I heard someone saying he intends to > treat with Apistan for the next two weeks, then remove the strips to collect > some fall honey and then re-install them for another 4 weeks in October. He > said that the first treatment should get "about 80% of them" and the followup > treatment would get the rest. > > My first thought was that this sounded like it might risk creating resistant > mites, but this guy (and most others for that matter) knows a lot more about > bees than I do, so how do I know it's not a good idea. I'd like to do it, > too, if it's sound practice. I'm also treating with menthol, which I assume > I'd also have to remove in a couple of weeks. > > So what's the real story? Is this a viable practice, or is it asking for > trouble? Is the story the same for Apistan/Varroa as for menthol/Tracheal > Mites? > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum > Article 13683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 19:04:21 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35cb4113.4165803@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35dcc6b2.7725227@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> <24590-35CAF76C-1@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-83.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!demeter.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-83.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13683 On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:47:40 -0400 (EDT), bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) wrote: >I din't know that some of our Gov. workers were over in the UK working >now. Y'all cant get any more out of them than we can. > >BUD > So, it's the same the world over...........!? Article 13684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.244.253.199!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarming in August? Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:49:17 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 6 Message-ID: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d193.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 7 Aug 1998 18:50:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13684 Can bees swarm in August? How can you tell swarming behavior from mere mustering of the troops for a good honey flow? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: geneticall engineered bees Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:51:14 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35CB4CA2.7033@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d193.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 7 Aug 1998 18:52:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13685 Would bee keepers be receptive to genetically engineered bees ? Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:06:28 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35d7655b.9495971@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <35CB4CA2.7033@ultranet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-103.dial.nildram.co.uk Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-103.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 45 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13686 On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:51:14 -0400, Marc Andelman wrote: >Would bee keepers be receptive to genetically >engineered bees ? > The method used by Brother Adam, for example (breeding), is not, and would not be a problem, but if genes from other species are used, I for one am dead against it. (Get the joke in here, before someone else does:- "After all, who on earth would want fish-flavoured honey?") Anyone who is interested in the Genetic Modification debate might like to look at these references. (Cut & Paste) =========================================== Email: =========================================== http://www.dmac.co.uk/gen.html (this is the website of the Genetic Engineering Network) =========================================== http://www.envirolink.org/orgs/shag/genetix.html (super heroes against genetics - website for action reports, X files etc, GMO register etc...) ======================================== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~GENETICS INFORMATION LISTS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ * If you would like to be on a list (and are not already) reply to putting 'Subscribe Genetics' in the subject box. There is a very busy list (list 1) & a less 'full-on' (list 2) that only receives Genetix Update newsletter & occasional action alerts - please specify. To "unsubscribe" please follow the same guidelines. You DO NOT need to be on both lists. *If you have anything to contribute to any of these lists then send it in and it will be forwarded - unedited wherever possible. Please do not send attachments instead just add text to emails main body. You will see that will be the return address for genetics emails. When replying please use wherever possible. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~END~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Article 13687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:16:13 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 48 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0020.cit.cornell.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0020.cit.cornell.edu!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13687 In article <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com>, Marc Andelman wrote: > Can bees swarm in August? According to Roger Morse over at Cornell, about 20% of swarming in this region takes place during late summer/early autumn. The data are for the area around Ithaca, NY. I'm wondering if it is as prominent elsewhere -- anyone else on the ng have experience with this phenomenon? Late swarming was not at all common in eastern New England, when I had bees out there. (AFAIK - never heard about it or saw any) However, in some of his writings, Richard Bonney of UMASS has mentioned it as occuring in western Massachusetts., & it would be interesting to hear more about this. We got six (count 'em) swarm calls last year at this time, and also hived one from one of my own hives. The year before, I found a massive swarm hanging in one of my yards in September when I went to pick up some cleared supers. Exasperating. They were nice enough to cluster within reach, but it's hard to get excited about a swarm that has no future. This late-season swarming is annoying, frankly, because -the swarms don't have enough time to build up a substantial nest by frost, and -the parent colonies lose their laying queens. With the swarm gone, it's a few weeks before the parent col. has a decent brood nest going again, with their new queen. Being so late, it's a really bad time for such a major break in brood rearing. So what to do? If it's a big swarm, and not too late you can hive them and feed the heck out of them, and maybe give them a few combs of brood as a boost later. It's easier to just hive them, and unite them back with the orig. hive before frost, avec newspaper. It's even easier to just let them head for the hills, & then hope the parent colony can get their act together in time for wintering. The swarm in the wild, is doomed, and the parent hive weakened -- not a very promising strategy for colony reproduction, but hey, what are you gonna do? This late swarm season seems to coincide with the onset of the goldenrod honey flows here, which yield lots of nectar - usually - following a brief dearth. IME, colonies that were prevented from swarming back in the Spring are often the same ones that pull this shenanigan later. Article 13688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Lines: 20 Message-ID: <1998080721110300.RAA08904@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 21:11:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35CB4CA2.7033@ultranet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13688 From: Marc Andelman <> I'd like to know that myself, since I'll need a market when I finish my current project. I'm splicing in some bumblebee genes to make a bigger honeybee -- able to carry a bigger load. Then I'll splice in some genes from a firefly -- so the bee can work at night....... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 13689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998080801155600.VAA09831@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Aug 1998 01:15:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998080721110300.RAA08904@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13689 > > I'm splicing in some bumblebee genes to make a bigger honeybee -- able to >carry a bigger load. > > Then I'll splice in some genes from a firefly -- so the bee can work at >night....... > Then a few genes from the waxmoth so they uncap the honey for me. Article 13690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998080801200000.VAA03634@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Aug 1998 01:20:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13690 I had sucess with late swarms I use division board feeders so when I install these I must remove a comb from the brood box of each hive. The late swarms get these combs, some are one side brood some just honey. I know they say take your losses in the fall but I like to have bees on brood combs rather than store them or put some hives up in 3 deeps. Tom in CT Article 13691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee - varroa mite Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998080712225500.IAA11844@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 12:22:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qdc58$15a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13691 > >There is someone that knows some natural methods for the varroa mite >whitout use any chemical product? Very tiny tweezers Much patience Article 13692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!vastrim.demon.co.uk!RFOX From: "Richard A.Fox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening, and removing the honey crop (Beginners advice) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 10:14:38 +0100 Organization: Fox Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6qekpt$s87$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: vastrim.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: vastrim.demon.co.uk:194.222.88.235 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902567891 nnrp-10:18010 NO-IDENT vastrim.demon.co.uk:194.222.88.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 53 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13692 >Hi All, > >I have just completed my first full year beekeeping, my two hives have >swelled to four by the arrival of swarms and am now seeking the advice of >the experts on where to go next. > I would strongly suggest joining your local beekeeping association, either contact the BBKA or look in the library. Most county associations give advice, tuition and often have libraries and equipement to borrow. In addition you also get 3rd party liability insurance thrown in for free with the memebership, which I think would help you sleep easier with situation you are in. >My hives are in the back garden in an urban environment. (I am in York UK >by the way). Thus far they have been little trouble, only one innocent >person getting stung when gardening near one of their flight paths, >however four hives will definitely be too great for my space so will >unite the two swarms soon. > If you started the year with nucs and someone has been stung already, things could be far worse next summer when the colonies move to full strength. I would strongly advise that you find a bail out apiary during the winter so if the worse does happen you can move them swiflty out of harms way. I ran 3 hives without incident for two seasons in a similar site, this year despite doing everything by the book, one colony turned nasty and started picking off neighbours with a vengance. I had to move them out pronto, but trying to organise and move on speck is very stressfull. It is better to have a plan set up before hand. Besides I would bet good money that by the end of next season you'll be wanting more hives and sites for out-apiaries are really not that difficult to find. >My questions are: > >1) The swarms have the old queen from the colony they swarmed from. My >hives will have queens of at least a year old. Is it good policy to >re-queen next Spring. If so what time? Also my prime objective is that I >keep bees not maximise honey crop. (I am a keen amateur entomologist). >Also in a urban situation aggressive bees would not be good from a public >relations standpoint. >Is there a supplier of strains of bees like this in the UK. (I do realise >that for most of you honey is your prime goal so I suppose breaders will >not go for quiet non swarming queens). > There are several good passive strains in the UK, Buckfasts being the most well known. There are others, find some local beekeepers and see what they rate. I have a few addresses and comments about breeders I have used, drop me an e-mail if you want these as I don't clog up the NG. -- Richard A.Fox Article 13693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!HME1-2.newsfeed.sprint.ca!hme1-2.newscontent.sprint.ca!not-for-mail From: John Summerfield Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Selling honey retail Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:33:56 -0400 Organization: Sprint Canada Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35CC53C3.3E44A5BE@sprint.ca> References: <35BA58A5.F250F2AA@sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hme1-2.news.sprint.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b1 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en To: weehawk@sprynet.com Cache-Post-Path: michelob!unknown@spc-isp-ktc-uas-01-34.sprint.ca X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.2.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13693 weehawk@sprynet.com wrote: > This is my second season keeping bees in southern Louisiana, and this > year I definitely have a surplus of honey. I was considering > approaching a retailer, such as a grocery or health food store, and > offering local honey for sale. I've had success approaching those quaint country farmstands that peddle everything from corn to preserves at roadside. They usually welcome another natural product to their offerings. John Article 13694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!BILBO!not-for-mail From: Howard Cohen Subject: Why do bees hang around the entrance? Message-ID: <35C8561D.DA76F429@analogic.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:54:53 -0400 Reply-To: n1vxs@juno.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13694 I have been reasured that bees hanging around the entrance is quite normal and healthy, but what is going on? I am a first year beekeeper and seem to have a good year. I may even get a super of honey from package bees. They have stored a lot of honey and made a lot of babies. They are working on a super diligently. The purple loosestrife is out, and they seem to be actively foraging. What I don't understand is the large numbers of bees hanging around the front, and sometimes, sides of the hive. They mostly are doing a little back-and-forth dance and sometimes festoon from the landing board. They do this even when it is relatively cool now(75 degrees), and, even at night, they don't seem to retreat into the hive. I am ventilating the hive at the top, and there is space in the hive. I haven't seen this behavior mentioned in any of the books. What is it? Is there a name for it? Is there a purpose to it? Does everybody experience it? Article 13695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35C86B33.4158@hplb.hpl.hp.com> Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:24:51 +0100 From: Malcolm Roe Organization: Hewlett Packard X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping CC: mdr Subject: Re: problems with bee eater References: <6q4juk$2o7$1@diana.bcn.ibernet.es> <6q60cg$anl$1@tikehau.netreach.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: roe-m-1.hpl.hp.com X-Trace: 5 Aug 1998 16:21:04 +0100, roe-m-1.hpl.hp.com Lines: 36 X-Disclaimer: All opinions expressed herein are of personal nature and do not reflect the opinion of third parties. Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!isoit370.bbn.hp.com!roe-m-1.hpl.hp.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13695 Jumpin Jehospehat wrote: > > Do you have a description of this bird? If it's black and a glossy purple > color it may be a Purple Martin which is great for ridding acres of > mosquitoes but I don't know if they have an affinity for bees. It's certainly not a Purple Martin (Progne subis), which is an American bird. The original enquiry came from Spain. The Bee-eater (Merops apiaster) is a brightly coloured bird of southern Europe and Africa. Many insectivorous birds, including the Purple Martin, will take a few bees. This is unlikely to cause you much of a problem unless you're a queen breeder. The Bee-eater, however is a specialist. I have no personal experience (Bee-eaters are very rare in the UK, where I live) but, to quote from "The Hive and the Honey Bee", a copy of which every beekeeper should have: "Two groups of birds, the bee-eaters (genus Merops) and the honeyguides (genus Indicator) of Africa and Asia are more serious bee pests. Bee-eaters eat honey bees and other venomous Hymenoptera almost exclusively and bee- keepers often move apiaries away from their nest locations at certain times of year to reduce their impact." So I guess that's the answer: move the bees away. (The honeyguide is an even more interesting and unusual bird but that's getting right off the subject.) Malcolm Roe. Article 13696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why do bees hang around the entrance? Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:59:48 -0500 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 48 Message-ID: <35C87364.405C@midwest.net> References: <35C8561D.DA76F429@analogic.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.5.27 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 902329347 .ZFUVYH4M051BD0EBC usenet80.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13696 Hi Howard, From a posting I found in this newsgroup back around June 21, I discovered this dance is called "washboarding" - go figure. Watching my bees intently the other evening they almost appeared to be coordinating their movememts and they were nearly all facing the same direction - down. After while I could almost imagine they were line dancing to a tune only they could hear. I decided I'd been spending *way* too much time with my bees:) This is the first year for me too and it has been one of the most enjoyable hobbies I've ever tried. AL -- ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Howard Cohen wrote: > > I have been reasured that bees hanging around the entrance is quite > normal and healthy, but what is going on? > > I am a first year beekeeper and seem to have a good year. I may even > get a super of honey from package bees. They have stored a lot of honey > and made a lot of babies. They are working on a super diligently. The > purple loosestrife is out, and they seem to be actively foraging. > > What I don't understand is the large numbers of bees hanging around the > front, and sometimes, sides of the hive. They mostly are doing a little > back-and-forth dance and sometimes festoon from the landing board. They > do this even when it is relatively cool now(75 degrees), and, even at > night, they don't seem to retreat into the hive. I am ventilating the > hive at the top, and there is space in the hive. > > I haven't seen this behavior mentioned in any of the books. What is > it? Is there a name for it? Is there a purpose to it? Does everybody > experience it? Article 13697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey crop Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:06:37 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6q9sgd$349m$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-40.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 5 Aug 1998 15:07:57 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/5176c96e7b44b018 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13697 It is a bit risky to mix uncapped honey with capped, as you might get some fermentation in your bottles later. Uncapped honey, as you probably know, does not usually have the proper moisture content to permit bottling it. If you want to risk mixing both uncapped and capped, then you might try shaking the uncapped frames and if you observe ANY drops of honey coming from the cells, DO NOT mix them. Evidently, this is not a perfect test for proper moisture content, but in a pinch it has worked for me. Vicky Campbell wrote in message ... >What do you do if you take off your supers and most of the frames still have >some uncapped honey in them? >Can you get honey to the right consistency by leaving it in ripening tanks >with muslin over it? >I need to remove the supers as the bees need to be treated with bayvarol. >Vicky > > Article 13698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!btnet-peer!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!fred.demon.co.uk!tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey crop Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:34:17 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902336437 nnrp-07:17781 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13698 In article , Vicky Campbell writes >What do you do if you take off your supers and most of the frames still have >some uncapped honey in them? How much uncapped? 25% of the comb would be acceptable if the honey doesn't run out when the comb is held parallel to the ground and shaken. >Can you get honey to the right consistency by leaving it in ripening tanks >with muslin over it? If kept warm for a few days it may improve on it's present condition, but if the uncapped honey is very thin, I would extract that first (before uncapping the rest of the comb) and either make mead or feed it back to the bees. >I need to remove the supers as the bees need to be treated with bayvarol. >Vicky > I treat mine in September when they return from the heather moors. Hope this helps -- Tom S Article 13699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: estring6@aol.com (E String 6) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998080816225900.MAA24835@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 8 Aug 1998 16:22:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13699 I have a simular situation, I boxed a swarm on july 10,.Didn't have proper equipment,just made a box ~ size. Question, what is the best method to transfer into frame box without loseing what they acompleced so far? Andy Kepert Thanks Article 13700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!warm.news.pipex.net!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!argonet.co.uk!argbd67 From: Nick Cooke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test for Varroa?? Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 22:46:50 BST Organization: ArgoNet, but does not reflect its views Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6pncbe$eqv$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: Nick Cooke NNTP-Posting-Host: af239.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: NewsAgent 0.84 for RISC OS Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13700 In article , Peter Ashley wrote: > Today I have just checked > >the daily mite fall as 100 per day on the worst hive!. By our MAFF chart > >on monitoring by this method it indicates approximately 3000 mites in > >the hive which means I should treat immediately. Could you give me an address so that I can get a MAff chart, please? Nick Article 13701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: can $ be made in bee keeping?? Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:55:01 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6q3ulb$2ub18@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <6q2lv7$s0i$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p43.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13701 John Taylor wrote in message <6q2lv7$s0i$2@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>... >can you make any money in the bee/honey business?? jt > Someone once asked a lottery winner what hewould do with his winnings? "Well", he replied, " I think I'll keep bees until the money runs out!!" ;-) That said it is a very interesting hobby: The acreage which you have is immaterial, what is important is the amount of bee fodder within a raidus of 1.5 miles of your site. Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Article 13702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news-xfer.epix.net!news1.epix.net!epix-news From: Pyramid Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 14:46:48 -0700 Organization: epix Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <35CCC748.623@epix.net> References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> Reply-To: pyramid@epix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: twnd209-74-41ppp114.epix.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-KIT (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13702 Marc Andelman wrote: > > Can bees swarm in August? This is northeast Penna. Bees frequently swarm late August, early September. It seems to be weather and honey flow related, not surprisingly. Last August, a swarm lit in a nearby tree, most probably from my beeyard. I have always ignored these late swarms but this time I put out a bait hive and captured it on 3l Aug. I moved it to an out yard and boxed it. 3 l/2 weeks later I moved it back to my yard and was amazed at the weight gain. I fed it in the Fall and it got through the Winter nicely. I would try it again. Burns Article 13703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: garet58@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tips for Moving Large 3 super Hive? Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:34:59 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6qi993$2og$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.110.189 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 08 15:09:35 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13703 To all: I need to move a large, thriving colony of honeybees 300 miles to my new home. The colony is in three deep supers and until this week had 2 deeps on top of that with the honey crop. Having taken the crop supers off in anticipation of the move I now have a very crowded hive. Every evening the hive sports a very large "beard" of bees about 18 x 30" and six or seven bees deep. I am trying to figure out how to get them into the hive so that it can be secured for moving. Smoke seems to drive some of them in, but many more just fly around in circles and will remain behind. As the hive is in an urban environment with many neighbors close by I do not want to leave stray, angry bees. Any suggestions? Thanks, Garet Livermore Burlington, Vermont -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.48.153.1.MISMATCH!enews.sgi.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: garet58@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving crowded hive Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:34:59 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6qi994$2oh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.110.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 07 16:32:35 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13704 To all: Help! I am relocating from Vermont to Central New York State and need to move a single hive of bees. I've moved hives before, but the problem with this one is that it is a very crowded hive. They are in three deep supers, and in preparation for the move I've just taken off two more deep supers of honey for extraction. So there was a total of five deep supers on this healthy hive of bees. My main problem with moving it are the crowds of bees hanging out on the front of the hive and the entrance board. At this moment there is a mass of bees about 18" long by 8" wide and several layers deep on the front of the hive. This group of bees is there even at night, except when it gets very cool, which I cannot count on because I need to move the bees this weekend. So how do I get those bees to go into the hive so that it can be secured with screening and hive staples? When I've smoked bees like this some go in the hive while others just fly in the air and circle around. I'm reluctant to leave bees behind because they are in my backyard in a suburban neighborhood and would cause lots of trouble if I took their hive from them. Any ideas would be appreciated. Thanks, Garet Livermore Burlington, Vermont -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:42:36 +0100 Message-ID: <1998080723423675982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <35CB4CA2.7033@ultranet.com> <1998080721110300.RAA08904@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13705 The message <1998080721110300.RAA08904@ladder03.news.aol.com> from pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) contains these words: > From: Marc Andelman > <> > I'm splicing in some bumblebee genes to make a bigger honeybee -- able to > carry a bigger load. and also to endow Varroa resistance? Therein lies the rub! Phil. Article 13706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: getting bees out of an old Cottonwood tree Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 20:27:48 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35ccb49e.68023978@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co56-113.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 08 3:36:12 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13706 Does anyone out there have the experience of removing hives from large trees? Someone called me with an old Cottonwood tree in the country which I found two rather active hives (or one REALLY huge one - as it spans about 10 feet from openings - one in a branch & the other directly in the trunk of the tree). The residents don't care what I do to the Cottonwood (which spans approx 7-8 ft in diameter @ the base) - though there's an 1800's shed below one of the large 'tree-size' limbs which they'd like to see survive. It looks like the entire tree is hollow. Branches which have broken off are hollow down to the ends. The one hive in the branch, I'll likely tie ropes to and lower the bulk of the branch slowly after sawing it from the trunk. If this succeeds, I'll move the whole branch to my property & find a way to place Apistan inside the hive - or menthol for the winter. Q.- For the 2n'd one in the trunk, I'm thinking of cutting a "window" close to their entrance & remove as much of the honey & bees as possible. Following this, I'll vacuum (bee-vacuum) the bees in crevices. I'll move them into a Langstroth hive which I'll leave attached to the tree close to the old entrance. This way, I'm expecting the remainder of the hive will move out & into my beehive (provided the queen is captured, or all the honey is removed). Anyone else have ideas of safe-capture for this type of hive? Thanks in advance, Matthew in Colorado Article 13707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Tips for Moving Large 3 super Hive? Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:39:33 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 30 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <6qi993$2og$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0034.cit.cornell.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0034.cit.cornell.edu!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13707 Hi Garet -- This has worked very well for me: Use 2 extra sets of covers/bottoms and move each box individually, like so: Around dusk, take the 3 deeps apart, setting each of the two upper units on their own floor, and adding a cover to each. The floors can be plywood boards, inner covers or whatever, arranged with some sort of rim, to afford an entrance for each hive. WIth such a strong colony, it would be much safer to use screens as the covers. I.e., nail up a simple frame that sets atop each box and is covered with fly screen securely stapled on. Since the bees are really crowded, and the weather is hot, you might just as well make the frame supporting the top screen 3 or even 4 inches high. That will accomodate the large population and allow plenty of air movement. You can secure each screen-cover to the box with duct tape around the perimeter. After dark, smoke the bees into the entrances and screen them over. Load them up and away you go. Some cool water sprinkled on the top screens every hour or two will help the bees simmer down. Moving them in the dark will help keep settled and cool, but once transported, try not to confine them any longer than necessary. As soon as the bees are at their new location, set the boxes close to each other, and remove the entrance screens. Then, preferably within a day or two, just unite the 3 boxes back together. They aren't apt to fight at all. Somewhat of a compromise, I know, but it works, and reduces the hive to singles which you can easily carry alone. Article 13708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: garet58@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Any Tips for Moving Large Hive? Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 21:27:09 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6qifrc$9oh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.110.212 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 08 21:27:09 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13708 To all: I need to move a large, healthy hive of bees that are in three deep supers about 300 miles from Vermont to Central New York State. I've removed two additional deep supers as the honey crop for this year. At this time the bees (as you might imagine) are quite crowded and are congregating on the face of the hive in a large bee "beard" of about 15 x 30" and many bees deep. My main problem is in dealing with the bees on the face of the hive. It has been too warm for them to entirely into the hive at night and because the hive is in a built up urban area I don't want to leave a bunch of confused, angry bees behind. Any suggestions as to how to coax them into the hive or otherwise deal with them? Any suggestions would be appreciated. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35B2ED22.9A147AFF@cros.net> <35B3A402.2BF16C09@earthlink.net> <01bdb6a9$be57df40$95f135ce@spooky> <35B8F8C5.8AE95EF4@earthlink.net> <6pjer9$hu8$1@news.iquest.net> Subject: Re: larvae in my cut comb Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 18:46:40 -0400 Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.103 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.103 Message-ID: <35ccd54f.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.103 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13709 ok...let's have a taste test..your honey against mine..send to the below address..I will reciprocate..I won't tell you the "flavor" of my honey..and you do not tell me the flavor of yours!. deal? clover..sourwood...tupelo..orange blossom..whatever..put your honey where your mouth is.. Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Julie Wise wrote in message <6pjer9$hu8$1@news.iquest.net>... >Well I'd put our clover honey up against your sourwood, except I've never >had the pleasure of sourwood honey. I will however, put our Indiana sunsets >with thousands of lightning bugs hovering over the soy bean fields up >against your mountain sunrise (it's a matter of being happy with where you >are I think) > >Julie > >Don Israel wrote in message <35B8F8C5.8AE95EF4@earthlink.net>... >>Yes Julie there is something more beautiful than the sun shining through >>a jar of golden honey. The sun shing through a jar of golden or even >>pure sourwood honey at sunrise in the mountains of North Carolina. >> > > Article 13710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!netnews.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving crowded hive Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 23:01:56 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 45 Message-ID: <35ced61c.76598390@nntp.ix.netcom.com> References: <6qi994$2oh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co65-45.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Aug 08 6:10:03 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13710 Perhaps this solution might seem obvious, but I'd replace those full supers with 'light' full-framed new supers. They all should re-enter the hive by dusk. Then I'd either move the hive in one fell-swoop (if you can move it - strapped together) - or- use a second bottom board & top & then re-unite the two portions following the move. If you split the hive, you'll have to move quickly to keep all the bees inside, as every one which escapes will be lost. As well, I'd use newspaper to re-unite the hive following the move (300 miles) to your new space to make sure there's no struggle between the hives (poking a few holes in a single sheet placed between the 2 hives). Matthew On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 19:34:59 GMT, garet58@my-dejanews.com wrote: >To all: > >Help! I am relocating from Vermont to Central New York State and need to >move a single hive of bees. I've moved hives before, but the problem with >this one is that it is a very crowded hive. They are in three deep supers, >and in preparation for the move I've just taken off two more deep supers of >honey for extraction. So there was a total of five deep supers on this >healthy hive of bees. My main problem with moving it are the crowds of bees >hanging out on the front of the hive and the entrance board. At this moment >there is a mass of bees about 18" long by 8" wide and several layers deep on >the front of the hive. This group of bees is there even at night, except when >it gets very cool, which I cannot count on because I need to move the bees >this weekend. So how do I get those bees to go into the hive so that it can >be secured with screening and hive staples? When I've smoked bees like this >some go in the hive while others just fly in the air and circle around. I'm >reluctant to leave bees behind because they are in my backyard in a suburban >neighborhood and would cause lots of trouble if I took their hive from them. > >Any ideas would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > > >Garet Livermore >Burlington, Vermont > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Article 13711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 00:59:43 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35cce770.13791613@news.jps.net> References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.50 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.50 Lines: 85 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.50 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13711 On Fri, 07 Aug 1998 14:49:17 -0400, Marc Andelman wrote: >Can bees swarm in August? How can you tell swarming >behavior from mere mustering of the troops for a good >honey flow? Good Question from Marc, 1st swarming can take place anytime of the year that the bees are active and they become crowed with bees, honey, and/or pollen. In many areas the bees do swarm more then once and in some areas they do not swarm in the spring but will swarm later in the summer because of the timing of plants useful to bees. Beekeepers who move their bees from South to North many times increase the numbers of swarms and over the years most have developed methods to prevent this swarming. The most popular is by making divides with new queens. In some locations not necessarily the best for honey production such as coastal areas with warm days alternating with cool fogy days the bees will swarm out, that is they will keep swarming until nothing is left behind but a queen cell and a few hundred bees. These yards are excellent for making increase and if the bees are left alone and only the swarms caught many times the number of swarms caught will exceed the original number of hives. Some of these areas are notorious for NOT catching back mated queens because of the same weather conditions that may cause them to swarm. Careful examination of commercial bee hives in California finds queen cells present all season long. We think of these as supersedure cells but all outward appearances of the hives will be normal. No signs of a failing queen such as shot gun brood and the like. Most beekeepers do not cut this type of cell and for sure queens are being replace naturally all season long and some of these may swarm in the process if they become crowded with pollen and/or nectar. Most think of the swarming behaviors as being caused by crowding by bees and it may be, we also think that a queen must be present but in running queen banks of several hundred mated queens and young bees added every few days from hatching brood I have had these hives swarm without any queen in the swarm.. It is interesting and exciting, very exciting if you know the value $$ of 250 queens in a full bank, to see them take wing filling the air and heading out of town only to park in a big cluster on a tree limb 50 to 100 yards away. They usually rest there for up to an hour and then again take flight and return to the hive. I once had a bank hive that you could set your clock by as it would take off each afternoon about the same time and always returned. In time even an old drone can learn new tricks and all that was needed to stop this brazer and dangerous activity was to remove one or all of the gallon feed cans on these hives and cut the sugar with water so they will blow most of it out each night and not become so crowded. Old time beekeepers this area used to finish extracting and their bee work for the year and take of for a month of hunting in October - November. One year they all got back to find swarms hanging everywhere as they hit a unheard of late cotton flow and had removed all the supers so the bees blocked out and swarmed. They started up again and did not finish extracting until Thanksgiving turkey time. I once hit a crop of Golden Eye, a cool season wild sunflower, on the Mexican boarder a flow that only hits every 17 years or so and I never finished extracting but quit at Christmas as it was cold enough to make it an impossible job in an area that having heat in the honey house was never thought of, normally never needed, as the air temperature is normally warm enough to extract and pump honey as fast as you can extract it. We did well over 200 pounds per hive anyway and had hives wanting to swarm to the last day of the flow which in total was almost a year long and some of the different wild flowers bloomed three times that normally only bloom once. Beekeeping on the higher Snorian Desert is a different and as difficult beekeeping as can be found. Most beekeepers in the area never were able to take real advantage of this late flow as they had never experienced it before and by the time they figured it out their bees were so weak from swarming to do much. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Tromp loi Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Liquid sugar Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 19:12:02 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 5 Message-ID: <35C910F1.6088C3B7@midtown.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.87 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 902369585 38BMS018M6557CDA2C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13712 I'm having a little problem getting a line on liquid sugar,,, can ya help? (The closer to Sacramento,,,or N. California, the better) Article 13713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs Lines: 12 Message-ID: <1998080715465500.LAA23599@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 7 Aug 1998 15:46:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6qekcr$n65$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13713 Bees do spend a great deal of their time resting and hanging around the hive. This is especially true of field bees since each bee is part of aspecific crop forage group and flowers only have nectar for specific periods during the day, the bees "know" when this is and do not visit the crop at other times. This a is a very important bit of knowledge for a beekeeper in the pollination business. There is nothing worse than standing by a crop with the farmer and there are no bee working his/her crop. You need to know when the crop has nectar up in the flowers and be able to educate and show the farmer. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools Article 13714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: geneticall engineered bees Date: 9 Aug 1998 08:39:47 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6qjn8j$sq4@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <1998080801155600.VAA09831@ladder03.news.aol.com> <1998080721110300.RAA08904@ladder03.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13714 In a previous article, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) says: >> I'm splicing in some bumblebee genes to make a bigger honeybee -- able to >>carry a bigger load. >> Then I'll splice in some genes from a firefly -- so the bee can work at >>night....... >Then a few genes from the waxmoth so they uncap the honey for me. Bite your tongue! -- Article 13715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!fred.demon.co.uk!iris From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Test for Varroa?? Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 10:42:52 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6pncbe$eqv$3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: Tom Speight NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 902662855 nnrp-01:1805 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.04 <21uDM5N6bilcqZuZXLs24txTwy> Lines: 6 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13715 In article , Nick Cooke writes >Could you give me an address so that I can get a MAff chart, please? Join your local association and you will be sent one free by the BBKA -- Tom S Article 13716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: OPEN UNI1 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: re-queening, and removing the honey crop (Beginners advice) Date: 9 Aug 1998 15:05:39 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 41 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6qkds3$gjh$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> References: <6qekpt$s87$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc29.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13716 >Your biggest problem is to keep your operation from expanding. Your bees will >grow and their natural desire is to reproduce (swarm). You should find a locate >beekeeper that wants to expand and trade/sell them your excess frames of brood >in early Spring. this will give you some income and help keep your bees from >swarming. >If you started the year with nucs and someone has been stung already, >things could be far worse next summer when the colonies move to full >strength. I would strongly advise that you find a bail out apiary >during the winter so if the worse does happen you can move them swiflty >out of harms way. I ran 3 hives without incident for two seasons in a >similar site, this year despite doing everything by the book, one colony >turned nasty and started picking off neighbours with a vengance. I had >to move them out pronto, but trying to organise and move on speck is >very stressfull. It is better to have a plan set up before hand. Besides >I would bet good money that by the end of next season you'll be wanting >more hives and sites for out-apiaries are really not that difficult to >find. <> Hi all, Thanks for the advice, I particularly note (as I've snipped above), that two of you suggest that I may have trouble with expansion next season, thanks for the warning. I now have both hives with brood chambers full to burst and was thinking about going on to brood and a half, but apprieciate that it would be more sense and good management to keep the colonies small in an urban situation. Finally I forgot to ask about the queen excluder, should I remove it once I have taken the few frames of honey off, and if so should I keep a carefull eye on things next Spring and replace it before the queen starts migrating upwards to lay eggs in the super. Many thanks for your advice, Paul. Article 13717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 week Apistan treatment? Date: 7 Aug 1998 10:28:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6qekro$nc0$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13717 In article <6qdpkk$hu8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: >So what's the real story? Is this a viable practice, or is it asking for >trouble? Is the story the same for Apistan/Varroa as for menthol/Tracheal >Mites? If one uses Apistan and one changes the labeled application rate, one is possibly NOT treating all the mites. You "do the math". Treacheal mites usually are dealt with easily by using grease patties, or tolerant strains of bees, or both and the honey removal issue isn't a problem. There are lots of interpretations to Varroa mite control utilizing Apistan. The best one is to score the strips to allow more of the active ingredient to emerge, thus killing more mites. Since there is not much research funding available for varroa control, this area of honey bee management remains a mystery. But isn't that why you like bees anyway? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Any Tips for Moving Large Hive? Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 20:08:48 -0700 Organization: http://www.supernews.com, The World's Usenet: Discussions Start Here Lines: 21 Message-ID: <35CE6440.3F1B@kingston.net> References: <6qifrc$9oh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.47.80.51 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 902707769 VRL06/YYI5033CE2FC usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13718 garet58@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > To all: I need to move a large, healthy hive of bees that are in three deep > supers about 300 miles from Vermont to Central New York State. I've removed > two additional deep supers as the honey crop for this year. At this time the > bees (as you might imagine) are quite crowded and are congregating on the > face of the hive in a large bee "beard" of about 15 x 30" and many bees deep. > My main problem is in dealing with the bees on the face of the hive. It has > been too warm for them to entirely into the hive at night and because the > hive is in a built up urban area I don't want to leave a bunch of confused, > angry bees behind. Any suggestions as to how to coax them into the hive or > otherwise deal with them? Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- > http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum Spray some water on the bees at the entrance. Make sure you give them plenty of ventilation. I'm not sure where your located but you might want to consider splitting the hive. -- Remove NOSPAM to reply. Article 13719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fire Ants in California Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 21:43:02 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <35ca2186.9332816@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.21 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.21 Lines: 55 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.21 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13719 Ant Invasion Fresno Thursday, August 06,1998 - 11:06 AM ET (KJEO) State officials say vicious fire ants from Texas have invaded almond orchards in Kern and Fresno counties. State biologist Aurelio Posadas says 47 colonies have been spotted. He says the ants are capable of killing calves and other small animals. Scientists believe the insects came to California as hitchhikers inside beehives shipped by a Texas beekeeper. Texas bees are used by almond growers to pollinate the blossoms on their trees. State officials say the invaded areas have been quarantined and they will use insecticides to kill the ants. Added by the OLd Drone MORE from the past. This invasion of "fire" ants is not new as the ants were found in the Kern county almond orchard in Feb 1998 and this report must be considered as an admission on the part of agricultural officials of their FAILURE to control a limited invasion of Fire Ants. Other Fire ants have been discovered by beekeepers in other more northern areas of California and were destroyed by those who found them without involving the regulatory officials. It is also a fact that California has other so called "Fire" ants that are common but poise no real threat to man or crops and are not involved in any eradication efforts other then to see em then you kill em.. California Boarder Inspection stations are expected to make a closer inspection of bees coming into California this fall and winter and beekeepers should expect delays and even turn around's if "fire" ants are discovered. These fire ants like to build mounds that will include the bottom rungs of the pallets the bees are set on and can if the beekeeper is not aware of the ants be loaded on the truck with the bees. ttul, the OLd Drone For up to date news from bee keepers & about bee keeping go to: http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 13720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@nildram.nospamco.uk (JAF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 09:42:30 GMT Organization: AtM! Message-ID: <35dcc6b2.7725227@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <6plu1n$onf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998072911012500.HAA22428@ladder01.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.354 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-228.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 41 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news.netkonect.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-228.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13720 On 29 Jul 1998 11:01:25 GMT, hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) wrote: >I think your problems are more directly related to your areas honey flow. Your >field bees having very little to gather creates an over abunadant amount of >bees staying at the hive. If all these bees were to stay within the hive at >your current areas temps. Then you would have an overheating problem. To curb >this the bees hang out on the front porch - as it were. > After reading this about 'washboarding', I spent some time sitting in front of my hive, watching the 'goings on'. I have read in several books, that the image of the 'busy bee' is a fallacy, as at any one time most, or at least, many, of the bees are actually doing nothing. Through observation only, it looks to me as though the bees on the 'landing strip' are simply 'gossiping', in the original meaning of the word, which comes from 'go sup'. That is to say, they are passing food around, and 'communicating', chatting, if you like (passing 'queen substance', and whatever other chemical messengers they use). Some seem to be acting as 'auxiliary guards', while others are simply resting. I don't think (in my case) it is due to a lack of 'work'for them to do, as there is plenty of pollen and nectar coming in, and even if there wasn't, surely 'spare' workers would be out looking for new sources? also, there is plentyof room, and plenty of work to be done inside, as they have a super of 10 frames of undrawn foundation (which is being built up very rapidly, but would be more rapid if they all got stuck in!). Maybe if I stick another (undrawn) super on top, they may go inside to draw it out? I believe they are behaving in the same manner as council workers (1), that is, two or three do the work, while the others just stand around looking into the hole, and drinking cups of tea. Of course, this is only assumptions from observation, I have no evidence, and may be anthropomorhising to some extent, but comparing species can sometimes help to give us insight into another species behaviour. Whatever the reason, it doesn't look as though it is anything to worry about, in fact, apart from the comment above, about little to forage for, and therefore the risk of starvation (because there are 'too many' bees), it can be taken as a sign of a good strong colony. (1) No offense intended, I just used a stereotype, because it's quicker to iullustrate a point! I actually know some very industrious and hard-working council workers! Article 13721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nucs Date: 7 Aug 1998 10:20:11 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6qekcr$n65$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <35C92D0B.441C@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13721 In article <35C92D0B.441C@kingston.net>, Kent Stienburg wrote: > I don't really want to remove any more bees from my other >two hives. Or do you think there is time for the colony to build up on >its own? If worst came to worst you could always overwinter this small colony over another stronger one by using a division screen. This works well. Give them a rear entrance. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 13722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: PAUL WAITES Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: re-queening, and removing the honey crop (Beginners advice) Date: 7 Aug 1998 10:27:09 GMT Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 52 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6qekpt$s87$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc153.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13722 Hi All, I have just completed my first full year beekeeping, my two hives have swelled to four by the arrival of swarms and am now seeking the advice of the experts on where to go next. My hives are in the back garden in an urban environment. (I am in York UK by the way). Thus far they have been little trouble, only one innocent person getting stung when gardening near one of their flight paths, however four hives will definitely be too great for my space so will unite the two swarms soon. My questions are: 1) The swarms have the old queen from the colony they swarmed from. My hives will have queens of at least a year old. Is it good policy to re-queen next Spring. If so what time? Also my prime objective is that I keep bees not maximise honey crop. (I am a keen amateur entomologist). Also in a urban situation aggressive bees would not be good from a public relations standpoint. Is there a supplier of strains of bees like this in the UK. (I do realise that for most of you honey is your prime goal so I suppose breaders will not go for quiet non swarming queens). 2) On a similar thread: People have written of colonies becoming queenless and allowing the bees to raise another! I don't understand this. Surely an old queen that dies or becomes a drone layer results in the slow breakup of the colony. There will be no more fertilised larvae to be raised as a queen. Could someone explain this. 3) Finally I have not got much honey from my two main hives but there will be at most half a dozen super frames of capped honey. I would like to get this off if I can, just for my own satisfaction to say that I have achieved my own honey production, plus I can give some to the neighbours to keep them sweet :-) As it is my first year I've not invested in an extractor, can the honey be extracted from the frames without one. If so what is the best method? (If this works then Father Christmas could get a letter asking for an extractor for Christmas). When I have got my hives sorted out I will write about the best method of varroa control, but will do that when I've figured out the varroa calculator that the BBKA have just sent me. Many thanks for any advice. Paul. Article 13723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Thick as Smoke Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 19:42:49 -0700 Organization: Not Applicable Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp29.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 902716799 29471 207.49.162.172 (10 Aug 1998 02:39:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1998 02:39:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Anawave Gravity v1.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13723 This is just to report that here today, Southern California, 8.8.98, the bees are just as thick as smoke out of my two top bar hives. The weather has been hot, and the bees have been happy. Article 13724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "ERIC A REED" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic Hive Inner Covers Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 23:09:20 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6qlp6a$8r06$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port121.lake.prodigy.net X-Post-Time: 10 Aug 1998 03:24:58 GMT X-Auth-User: 002149703/d1e92331149c7510 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13724 Anybody ever witnessed this or know why it is happening? After repairing and replacing wooden hive stands, bottom boards, hive bodies, inner covers, and covers many times, I figured I would give a plastic hive cover and inner cover a try to cut down on some of my repair work. I ordered one each to see how they would hold up. Unlike wooden inner covers, I notice the bees do not walk or accumulate on it. I can pop it off and there will be 2 or 3 bees or none on the inside surface. They do not build any wax on the underside, but after a few months the bees deposited propolis on the inside edges to seal it to the top super. I prop my covers with a small piece of wood about 1/4" up in the front for ventilation. I noticed the bees do not come up and reside on the underside of the plastic cover either.....like they have always done on the wooden ones. I just was pulling supers and went to use the plastic inner cover beneath the supers with a bee escape to evacuate the bees. This typically takes a few days and is a pain, but minimizes the loss of bees that do not get evacuated from the supers using just smoke. It also keeps bees out of my basement where I extract. Once I started to put the supers back on top of the plastic inner cover with the bee escape, the bees started pouring out of the supers like I just used a fume board with Bee Go on it. My bees clearly do not want anything to do with these plastic hive accessories. I also noticed that a good chunk of the population was outside the hive the next day. This hive was overcrowded to begin with and the problem went away when I switched the plastic inner cover for a wooden one and put on an Illinois super beneath it. The best guess I can make is that the plastic has non-lethal residual petroleum byproducts in it used during manufacturing. The bees can smell them and do not like them. Just a guess. Thanks, Eric Article 13726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: "Marc Andelman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: water lilly honey Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 08:09:58 -0700 Organization: UltraNet Communications , an RCN Company http://www.ultranet.com/ Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6qmtgf$gmt$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d181.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 10 Aug 1998 13:44:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13726 Has anyone ever made water lilly honey? There is a good patch of them nearby, and I wonder if I should move my bees to get some. Regards, Marc Andelman Article 13727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jkxray@aol.com (Jkxray) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Crystallized Honey Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998081018441800.OAA05625@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1998 18:44:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13727 I have several supers of honey which have crystallized in the comb. In the past I have been able to extract such with my radial extractor, but not this time. Does anyone have any suggestions/recommendations/experience, other than giving it back to the bees, on how to recover, i.e. extract such crystallised honey without ruining the comb? Article 13728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming in August? Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:29:41 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 21 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <35CB4C2D.4206@ultranet.com> <35cce770.13791613@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0051.cit.cornell.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.syr.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0051.cit.cornell.edu!user Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:13728 (NY) Suddenly hearing of quite a few swarms around, since the weekend. Something has flipped the switch, & the late nectar sources are coming into blossom now. Swarms were rare back in the Spring, so perhaps they are making up for it now! One colony I went to see today (in a house roof) cast a good-sized swarm this morning, and had swarmed back in May as well. The past few days we've also have had many swarm-scouts showing up, frantically scoping the stacks of unoccupied equipment. There was no interest all summer, up to now. One empty hive had a few scouts stay overnight last night (squatter's rights?), but no swarm has yet arrived. There may be more than one colony interested in the particular hive, since along with lots of horseshoe running patterns they are definitely showing agression toward some of the other scouts. Will have to wait and see if anything becomes of all the activity. regards to all, JWG Article 13729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Zadigvolta" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: water lilly honey Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:44:16 -0500 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6qnbk2$cqh8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <6qmtgf$gmt$1@ligarius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bstnb111-14.splitrock.net X-Post-Time: 10 Aug 1998 17:45:38 GMT X-Auth-User: 001408643/9a7e16