From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Aug 1999 11:06:30 GMT References: <37A3D90A.2141@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801070630.01152.00001361@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19973 >can't say I ever got the hang of handling a >chopper. > > >AL > yeah i kinda like ta do my laying down in bed. Not that i ain't layed a few down over the years..er......ah ......bikes that is. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:21:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 17:21:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.50 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19974 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you equating > beekeeping to broccoli farming. He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:29:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7o2068$4ub$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> <19990725185447.23402.00001074@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 17:29:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.50 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19975 > The guy who sold it to me said it was a beekeeping video. Don't believe everything you hear. Or read. If you are someone who bothers to read the video dustjackets before you rent a movie at the video store, you are well aware that the blurb describing the movie's content OFTEN says things which simply aren't so -- as a matter of fact and not as a matter of interpretation. And occasionally dramas are labeled comedies because they have a bit of comic relief. All I'm saying is: most people, even people in "the industry," aren't very dependable when it comes to describing the content of a video they are selling or trying to rent out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:05:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7o228c$6bc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> <19990725185447.23402.00001074@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 18:05:04 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.50 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19976 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >This is unfair characterization of a > commercial beekeeper. It is not a characterization of a beekeeper but of a person. Beekeeping is important to his portrayal, but there is never a hint that he is everybeekeeper. There is an immense difference between this and (negative) use of (usually) minor characters who are never developed as individuals. Stereotypes are sometimes used to flesh out a character the movie makers want us to "comprehend" without their doing the work to make a comprehensible character. Negative portrayal of underdeveloped characters according to a stereotype of their race, class, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, age, occupation, etc. is certainly objectionable. But, if a character is fully developed and happens to show characteristics consistent with aspects of the stereotype which are also "sound" in terms of the total characterization/ psychology, then you can like the character or dislike the character, but it's not an unfair portrayal. Take the white American stereotype of blacks' "having rhythm." It appeared in many, many movies and books as a way around treating blacks as anything more than background. But Gregory Hines IS one hell of a dancer. And the Alvin Ailey dance company have greatly enriched the cultural life of this nation... The fact that their talent and art are in the vein of a stereotype is nothing negative. Any more than it is negative to acknowledge that Michael Jordan is a great basketball player (which corresponds to another well-known stereotype). It is simply one part of reality. What is negative is the expectation that any real individual or sound characterization of a fictional individual represent an entire segment of society. It is an attitude which perpetuates the reduction of the individual into a type which has wrought so much harm down through time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37a88d47.9114723@news.cidial.com> References: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net> <37a6192b.23732381@news.cidial.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:22:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.239 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 933532031 38.11.203.239 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:27:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:27:11 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19977 hugh, of Boschman hughes Apiaries, advises: >Take it easy Mr. Kroeger, he makes me smile. Diversity and > adversity is the spice of life. Sorry to trodden on your sensibilities Hugh, it's just that when I read: >4 billion self-deletions in the Third World will set the remaining >valuable and usful humans on their straight and true path unmolested. I don't see that as a cryptic statement as Mr. Finkelstein, who with his surname should know better, or as humorous, i.e your view. In America we of course tolerate nazis. In Germany they do not. I wonder why the Germans know something we don't? Charles Kroeger - You can be sincere and still be stupid. Charles F. Kettering From lithar@midwest.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 13:33:52 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37A49310.27C6@midwest.net> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19978 paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > > jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > > I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you > equating > > beekeeping to broccoli farming. > > He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ > setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; > it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they > bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in > front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight > schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. > That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or > small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. Wish I'd said it that way... AL From orangerose@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Aug 1999 17:42:53 GMT References: <3793C3FC.B6CC7614@valley.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801134253.10031.00004403@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19979 >seriously, >this 'odor' was less like bear poop [not that i've smelled much of that in my >time], than like something had crawled inside my house and died. This is not very pleasant, but it is scientific--so if you're sqeamish, don't read. * * * * * * Most carnivorous mammals have anal glands--glands that lie just inside the anus on either side of the rectum. Some pet owners may have encountered a dog or a cat with infected glands, which are usually treated by "expressing" them--a truly unpleasant experience for the vet. The smell from anal glands is somewhere between very, very, sick animal and skunk. Animals release the glands when they are very frightened or threatened. Manx or other tailless cats use their anal glands more frequently than their tailed counterparts and usually are the most horrible smelling strays you every encountered. Seizures will also precipitate the release of the glands. (As I personally experienced with a dog I used to have). I would not be too surprised if a good electrical jolt wouldn't do the same thing to a bear/fox/weasel or other predator. End of veterinary anatomy lesson. Kelly From h.tait@home.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net> <37a6192b.23732381@news.cidial.com> <37a88d47.9114723@news.cidial.com> Subject: Re: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:17:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933545863 24.65.132.209 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:17:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:17:43 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19980 Agreed, I think such statements must always be answered and challenged, or else it is assumed one is in agreement and it opens the door to very bad things . Humans nature is such that when you answer such views with trigger statements you are stupid or you should shoot yourself, the other individual immediately stops thinking. Which is what creates this twisted view to start with. As well it isolates the individual and gives him an easy out and your views and argument are dismissed. One should never allow these kind of twisted world views, to go unchallenged, but at the same time, intellgent thought and arguements nust be used. I believe people who hold these kind of views must be made to work very hard to defend them. If this kind of thought was challenged continually instead of the silence that sometimes occurs, there would be less nazis and other things that I know are wrong. I apologise I did not mean to offend, or support the views, only that in your anger ( understandable) you did not use the best tools to do the job. > > - > You can be sincere and still be stupid. > > Charles F. Kettering > From beeman221@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:25:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7o2hgh$g43$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ns2o9$mk8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nvnre$id$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.139.135 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 22:25:28 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 195.166.139.135 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman221 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19981 In article <7nvnre$id$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > Good question, > I just put two new queens out, one they accepted, and the other they killed. > Just put another in , and will see what happens. One that was accepted had > no queen in it for two weeks, the one that killed the queen, I took the old > queen out of last night. I was wondering if I should unite the two small > colonies now before winter, if they killed the queen again. Any suggestions > preacher Hi Dennis, Is it posible there is a virgin there through supercedure. Just to be on the safe side give them a test frame of eggs and open brood. If there is cell building then they are Queenless and the next introduction will be fine. If there is no sign of cell building then there is a Queen of some discription. By cell building I include the flooding of larvae with brood food, which makes the selected cells stand out by virtue of the ammount of broodfood food making them look very white in comparison to the others. This is apparent 12 hours after dequeening. I hope this helps in any degree. Regards from Scotland, Pete Watt. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lauramleek@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Address Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:37:53 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801203753.04004.00005063@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19982 If you are using and ISP most newsgroups are listed with the title NEWS/MAIL. Click on news, click on sci, find agr OR agriculture, click on that. You should then find beekeeping in the "B" listing Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Address Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:38:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801203858.04004.00005064@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19983 The majority of ISP carry a news server. No need to go through a seperate server. Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:44:41 GMT References: <19990728231353.25204.00003343@ng-cr1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801204441.04004.00005065@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19984 And here I thought the June bugs waited until Aug just beecause EVERYTHING in NC is Slow(er) Laura From cpierce@usit.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!dialup204.tnnas2.usit.net!user From: cpierce@usit.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers In Tennessee? Message-ID: Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:05:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.153.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 933555908 216.80.153.206 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:05:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:05:08 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19985 I have had a honey bee invasion. In about May I observed bees liting on a limb in the front yard. A few weeks ago I found that the bees have set up houskeeping on my house. I hate to destroy these and would like to find someone who would like to adopt them. Please let me know as I need to do somethng before thngs get out of hand for me. Thanks Charles From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Opinions.....Two Hive Bodies Best? From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 11 Message-ID: <0n6p3.8613$lg.495057@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.105 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933556796 216.98.71.105 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:19:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:19:56 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:19:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19986 For a number of years I have been keeping my bees in a one and a half story hive made up of a full depth hive body and a Illinois super. During this time I was into comb honey production using Ross Rounds. This year I converted over to extracted honey and sold most of my Ross supers. Now I am trying to decide if I should go with two full depth hive bodies for my normal hive configuration during most of the year when the supers aren't on top or stick with the one and a half story system. My hives are in east Tenn. Looking for advice. John From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnight Bee From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990724015733.17079.00001076@ng-fs1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.105 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933557158 216.98.71.105 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:25:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:25:58 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:25:58 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19987 I have kept Midnites and I liked them allot. My bees are kept in a neighborhood setting and the midnites are very calm. Over a period of several years my bees became more and more Italian in genetic makeup through swarming, supercedure, etc. Because of this the bees are becoming more and more aggresive so this fall I plan to requeen all my hives with midnites again. Good honey producers also. John In article <19990724015733.17079.00001076@ng-fs1.aol.com>, spcherub@aol.com says... > >Hello all. I have been looking around for information on the Midnight hybrid >but haven't found alot of info. I'd like to hear the pros and cons of this bee >from anyone who presently keeps them or has in the past. Thanks. > >Todd W. >Palmetto, GA From npatt@snet.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help in removing hive from barn Date: 2 Aug 1999 00:49:08 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7o2pu4$2tg@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh5-port85.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19988 A couple of questions refering to removing honey bees from a barn 1. What is the going rate I could/should charge for the job? 2. What do I do with the brood and honey comb? 3. What other unusual equipment should I have on hand? 4. Any other advice? I have a swarm vacuum. Norm npatt@snet.net From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers In Tennessee? From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.105 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933557360 216.98.71.105 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:29:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:29:20 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:29:20 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19989 Where in Tenn? In article , cpierce@usit.net says... > >I have had a honey bee invasion. In about May I observed bees liting on a >limb in the front yard. A few weeks ago I found that the bees have set up >houskeeping on my house. I hate to destroy these and would like to find >someone who would like to adopt them. > >Please let me know as I need to do somethng before thngs get out of hand for me. > >Thanks > >Charles From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:21:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990731014409.14799.00000012@ng-cj1.aol.com> To: MDRbees X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Aug 1999 01:25:13 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Aug 1 18:35:01 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust123.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37A4F28B.7DC0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19990 I had more luck shaking the bees about 10 feet from their location and introducing a laying queen. I put her in a cage and two days later pulled the cork. She was still there two weeks ago. Don From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Aug 2 17:45:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 15:52:10 GMT References: <37a587be.344279109@news.usenetserver.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990802115210.25864.00005525@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19991 > >Bringing Helen home is the odessey > Yeah and the daughter in law is the one who runs into the lotus eaters. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From max@gadsden.com Mon Aug 2 17:45:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Max Sanders" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: used extractor and uncapping knife Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.140.85.74 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 933611603 208.140.85.74 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:33:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:33:23 EDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:32:09 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19992 I used this Dadant WB401 electric extractor only once. It costs $515 new, holds 6 6 1/4 inch or shallower frames, has electronic speed control, stainless steel construction with honey gate. I am asking $375 plus actual shipping expense from NE Alabama. Also have best quatlity electric uncapping knife.....used once.....Cost $78 new. Asking $45 plus shipping. thanks. Max @gadsden.com 256 )543 3967 From preacherc@cvalley.net Mon Aug 2 17:45:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:23:53 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-130.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 933614459 31836 208.232.214.130 (2 Aug 1999 17:20:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 17:20:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19993 I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? thanks preacher From lithar@midwest.net Mon Aug 2 17:45:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:28:10 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: <37A5B909.70A7@midwest.net> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37a587be.344279109@news.usenetserver.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19994 Hmmm, makes the broccoli angle a bit tougher to make. AL Dave Hamilton wrote: > > It really just a retelling of the story of Ulyssees search for gold > > Ule = Ulyssees > Hope > Penelope - his dead wife = Penny > Helen > > Bringing Helen home is the odessey > > He also finds his real gold - redemption isn't the gold he was > searching for > > Dave > > On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:21:52 GMT, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > > >jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > >> I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you > >equating > >> beekeeping to broccoli farming. > > > >He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ > >setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; > >it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they > >bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in > >front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight > >schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. > >That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or > >small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Paul Kent Oakley > >The Sabine Farm > >Ava, Illinois, USA > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 2 17:45:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:00:04 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7o4m53$k5e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-36.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933616611 20654 209.130.165.36 (2 Aug 1999 17:56:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 17:56:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19995 Dandelions, white and yellow sweet clover, white dutch, alfalfa, buckwheat, alsike, trefoil, maple trees, poplars, American Linden, wildflowers, goldenrod...how's that for starters :-) depends on where you are... Thanks for "giving up" your acreage for the sake of your bees! --Busybee Dennis Crutchfield wrote in message <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net>... >I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you >plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? >thanks >preacher > > From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 2 17:45:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Table Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:53:47 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 933587975 nnrp-10:5735 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19996 Now that most beekeepers in the UK ought to be thinking of varroa treatment, I have posted a table based on the calculator developed by the NBU and supplied by the BBKA. It is easier to use than the calulator, and should work in places where the calculator is not availble. Try http://www.tomsp8.demon.co.uk -- Tom Speight From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Mon Aug 2 17:45:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees in trees Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:26:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 933593172 208.170.81.139 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 06:26:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 06:26:12 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19997 Met an older gentleman yesterday who tracked some honey bees. 6 am this morning we met and head into the woods and by golly he sure did find the bees, 20 ft up. we felled the tree and pulled a nice swarm with brood but no honey. Learned first hand about tyin in comb and even spotted the queen head in. Also learned the careful cuts and splitting of the log! decent swarm but no honey! Off to tree number 2, this time by four wheeler and then a little hike and sure nuff we managed another swarm and still no honey! He claims they would not have made it through the winter, I guess, seems bees know what to do in my book. Great experience and we were home at noon. He managed to get stung a few times yet I was gloveless doing the frame tying, man was that slick. So for a new keeper I have hived my own swarm, requeened what she left ( I think either that or the buck was balled and the virgin came through!) Working mites out at another hive and now did the tree bees. Next I want to do a little tracking myself, and then sometime I might like to collect a little honey from all this adventure ;>) damon From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 2 17:45:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 12:02:21 GMT References: <19990801204441.04004.00005065@ng-da1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990802080221.07070.00005352@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19998 > beecause EVERYTHING in >NC is Slow(er) > >Laura funny my wife never complains Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hamilton@pbssite.com Tue Aug 3 08:17:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!IRIS.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Message-ID: <37a587be.344279109@news.usenetserver.com> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 40 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:03:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: IRIS 933595042 207.91.44.54 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:57:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:57:22 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19999 It really just a retelling of the story of Ulyssees search for gold Ule = Ulyssees Hope Penelope - his dead wife = Penny Helen Bringing Helen home is the odessey He also finds his real gold - redemption isn't the gold he was searching for Dave On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:21:52 GMT, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: >jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >> I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you >equating >> beekeeping to broccoli farming. > >He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ >setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; >it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they >bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in >front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight >schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. >That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or >small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Paul Kent Oakley >The Sabine Farm >Ava, Illinois, USA > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 3 08:17:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:08:14 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7o52ig$ga4$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7o4m53$k5e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933629328 16708 62.136.17.104 (2 Aug 1999 21:28:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 21:28:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20000 Oregano might be a good bet judging from the bees working it in our herb garden - it is certainly their favourite by a long way. Anyone any experience of large scale plantings of it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ busybee wrote in message <7o4m53$k5e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Dandelions, white and yellow sweet clover, white dutch, alfalfa, buckwheat, >alsike, trefoil, maple trees, poplars, American Linden, wildflowers, >goldenrod...how's that for starters :-) > >depends on where you are... > >Thanks for "giving up" your acreage for the sake of your bees! > >--Busybee > >Dennis Crutchfield wrote in message ><7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net>... >>I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you >>plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? >>thanks >>preacher >> >> > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 3 08:17:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:16:22 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7o52ii$ga4$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990731014409.14799.00000012@ng-cj1.aol.com> <37A4F28B.7DC0@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933629330 16708 62.136.17.104 (2 Aug 1999 21:28:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 21:28:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20001 Just a point that we have not mentioned before: the fact that a queen appears to have been accepted does not man that she has not been damaged. Workers will sometimes chew the feet of a queen in a cage and she may then be superseded later - if you mark your queens you will know, if you do not then you may think that you are still looking at the queen that you introduced. For this reason alone I prefer the queen to be released ASAP. workerbee wrote in message <37A4F28B.7DC0@earthlink.net>... >I had more luck shaking the bees about 10 feet from their location and >introducing a laying queen. I put her in a cage and two days later >pulled the cork. She was still there two weeks ago. > >Don > From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Aug 3 08:17:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:56:59 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.137.158 X-Trace: 933631251 1NNUCNF1G899EC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20002 Thank you all for your advice On opening the first hive for re-queening they came up in droves I persevered and since the flow was obviously over I made a nuc and introduced the new queen in a cage Surprisingly the bees calmed down after about 5 mins I had made nucs up for the other 2 hives also The temp has hit 90 degrees this week and I put a wet flannel over the crown board daily I was concerned that this was not SERIOUSLY leaving them alone for 6 days Even so much of the sealed brood died. Not enough flying bees perhaps But 2 new queens have been released from their cages and have just started laying I have fed these with a frame feeder and will leave till Sept to introduce as advised The third nuc had an ill fitting roof and was virtually deserted by the added bees who became dastardly robbers Consequently the new queen was not released BUT was still alive and kicking after 6 days She has been rehoused with added bees and taken to another site to start the process again Wish me luck Thanks again Chris 2W 51N >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>Agree on the curlers. >> >>If flow still on the do it now. >> >>If not, then the bees will be very defensive and it is not a good time. I >>would make some very small nucs - just a frame would do, with some very >>young bees (take a frame, make sure the queen is not on it, shake it once >>gently to remove the older bees, then shake the remaining bees into your >>nuc); introduce the queen, feed if necessary but a frame of food would be >>better, and protect against robbing. >> >>Then use the nucs to introduce the queens in September; it is a good month >>for requeening as the excitement will have died down. > From kaylor@stsci.edu Tue Aug 3 08:17:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!204.121.3.5!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!noao!stsci.edu!not-for-mail From: John Kaylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for help with Smokey Mtn Bee Co. Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:05:47 -0400 Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore, MD 21218 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37A5EC0B.25FE16F@stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: johndeere.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20003 I am looking for anyone that might know or are friends with David Winters of Smokey Mtn Bees. I am looking for individuals that might belong to a club or bee association that might see him in the near future. If you could help me, please respond privately. Thanks in advance, John Kaylor kaylor@stsci.edu From mwhite@globalserve.net Tue Aug 3 08:17:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: mwhite Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 20:10:04 -0700 Organization: ICAN.Net Customer Lines: 48 Message-ID: <37A65D8C.603AAAFD@globalserve.net> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin194.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20004 Hi Dennis: This may be of help to you depending what horticultural zone you live in. These plants are hardy up to zone 6. *Plants that are high in nectar Perennials: *Alfalfa, *Anise Hyssop (Agastache foeniculum), *Blue Globe Thistle (Echinops ritro) , *Blueweed (Echium vugare) , * Chapmans Globe Thistle (Echinops Sphaerocephalus)*Clover(red,alsike,black), *Dandelion, Coneflower (Echinacea purpurea), *Goldenrod , *Mountain Mint (Pycnanthemum) , *New England Aster (Aster novae-angliae) *Sweet Clover (Melilotus officinialis), *Wingstem (Actinomeris) , Allium, Canada Thistle (Cirsium arvense), Crocus spp., Deadnettle (Lamium), Figwort (Scrophularia auriculata, Var.), Forget-me-not (Myosotis spp.), Gayfeather (Liatris), Geranium spp., Grape Hyacinth (Muscari), Hollyhock (Alcea), Knapweed (Centaurea), Lavender, Aubretia, Sedum, Snowdrops (Galanthus), St. John’s Wort (Hypericum), Strawberry, Thyme, Trillium Annuals: *Oregano, *Sunflower Helianthus annuus, Blue Bells Phacelia tanacetifolia, Borage, Lavatera, Rosemary Shrubs: *Lilac, *Raspberry, Alt-leaved Dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), Barberry (Berberis), Berry bushes, Elderberry (Sambucus canadensis), Firethorn (Pyracantha), Honeysuckle, Mock Orange, Oregon Grape Holly (Mahonia), Red Osier Dogwood (Cornus stolonifera), Roses, Russian Olive, Saskatoonberry, Siberian Pea Shrub, Viburnum Trees: *Basswood, *Fruit Trees, *Hawthorn, *Silver Maple, *Sugar Maple, *Willow, Birch, Black Locust, Catalpa, Horse-Chestnut, Magnolia, Mountain Ash, Serviceberry, Sumac Mike Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you > plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? > thanks > preacher From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Aug 3 08:17:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Battery Vacuum ?? Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:32:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <7o5db7$gfq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nra14$oma$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37A23DD2.7D9CDD2D@azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.84 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 03 00:32:39 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.84 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20005 Thanks for the info, John. I'll be watching for the diagram on the Tucson site. I've always wanted to visit you folks there ever since I worked with S.E. McGregor in the summr of 1937. I haven't made it yet, but I probably will. Thanks again. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! -------------------------------------------------------------- John Edwards wrote: > > > Pete wrote: > > > Have any of you folks tried to develop a bee vacuum using a Dust Buster > > or similar battery powered vac? > > Yes, I redeveloped one model in about 1988, which of course everybody > dismissed as "been there, done that". I'll put an image of it on the > web(Tucson Bee Lab) when I get back to work - - waiting in line to talk to > the neurosurgeon about my disk problem right now. :( > The beevac has worked quite well for us over the 90's for sampling up to > 200 bees - the main problem is DustBuster model changes. After about a > dozen units, we are now up to the ones with removable batteries. I don't > know your intended use, but will post a snapshot ASAP. Basically, you tape > over the "snout", drill in from the top flat area, and friction-fit a piece > of PVC pipe about 6 inches long. Drill holes in a plastic vial, seal into > pipe with an O-ring, drill a hole in cap for nalgene tube, and attach a > two-foot piece of PVC pipe. As you can tell, many ways to change my design. > I can get a reliable 15 minutes running time. > John Edwards, Tucson (down, but not out) > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From nanadobbs@aol.com Tue Aug 3 08:17:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nanadobbs@aol.com (NANADOBBS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 02:51:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20006 Please, can someone help with advice? Today I removed a huge colony from an apartment building soffet. While removing them (using my home made bee-vacuum) I noticed several small beetles. I am almost positive they are the small hive beetle we fear. My problem is that I have a box full of bees and I am not sure what to do with them. If I put them in a deep super with drawn out frames and there are beetles in with them, will I have to destroy the whole thing. I guess what I am asking is what would some of you more experienced bee charmers do?? I live in Augusta Georgia and I have two healthy hives(I think,Hope) they were the last time I checked last week. Please help me if you can quickly as the bees are getting restless. Pleas reply to tdobbs@aug.edu. Thanks alot. Tim Dobbs From mdiver@voy.net Tue Aug 3 08:17:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers In Tennessee? From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.172.77 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933650481 209.42.172.77 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:21:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:21:21 EDT Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 03:21:21 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20007 In article , cpierce@usit.net says... > >I have had a honey bee invasion. In about May I observed bees liting on a >limb in the front yard. A few weeks ago I found that the bees have set up >houskeeping on my house. I hate to destroy these and would like to find >someone who would like to adopt them. > >Please let me know as I need to do somethng before thngs get out of hand for me. > >Thanks > >Charles What part of Tennessee are you? I'm in Chattanooga, if you're in the area e-mail me at mdiver@voy.net Ron From john01hsu@hotmail.com Tue Aug 3 08:17:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "John Hsu" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queen breeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:34:03 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7o6d2l$b8s$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p362-tnt4.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20008 Hi, I am new as a beekeeping hobbist. I am thinking of breeding my own queens at same time when I am handling swarm control. The idea is to turn a two brood chamber hive into a four box hive. To start with, I would move the bottom brood chamber on the side, examine each frame carefully to make sure there is no queen but enough eggs and broods for a new hive. Then, I would stack the hive with a new brood chamber and a new super containing old combs or new foundations. Put queen excluders beneath and above the new super and top the hive with the brood chamber we put on the side in the beginning. It ends up with four box hives. Top one is used for breeding the new queen. The new second brood chamber is used to control the swarm by making more room to laying queen. I have not tried out this idea, and would be very happy to have some feedback from more experienced beekeepers. From nono@nono.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP From: nono@nono.com (John) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 36 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.69 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933690062 216.98.69.69 (Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:21:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:21:02 EDT Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:21:02 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20009 Tim, I you need the bees then I would do ahead and and put them in a hive. You might want to located the hive away from your other hives until you can determine what if any problems they might have. If you can bag a few of those beetles, maybe someone knowledgeable can ID them. If you don't want the bees then sell or give them away to whoever is willing to take a risk. John In article <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com>, nanadobbs@aol.com says... > >Please, can someone help with advice? Today I removed a huge colony >from an >apartment building soffet. While removing them (using my home made bee-vacuum) >I noticed several small beetles. I am almost positive they are the small hive >beetle we fear. My problem is that I have a box full of bees and I am not sure >what to do with them. If I put them in a deep super with drawn out frames and >there are beetles in with them, will I have to destroy the whole thing. I >guess what I am asking is what would some of you more experienced bee charmers >do?? I live in Augusta Georgia and I have two healthy hives(I think,Hope) they >were the last time I checked last week. >Please help me if you can quickly as the bees are getting restless. >Pleas reply to tdobbs@aug.edu. >Thanks alot. >Tim Dobbs From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:26:25 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <37A6FC11.2100@midwest.net> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20010 Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > > I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you > plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? > thanks > preacher I've been following the responses to your inquiry and taking notes. One thing I don't recall being mention in all the suggestions though was soil testing. It would be a good idea to have your soil tested to see what conditioning is required for your choice of vegetation. AL From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 17:05:50 GMT References: <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803130550.29215.00006230@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20012 >hink,Hope) they >were the last time I checked last week. >Please help me if you can quickly as the bees are getting restless. >Pleas reply to tdobbs@aug.edu. >Thanks alot. >Tim Dobbs > Tim i'm probably gonna get jumped on for this one but if they were mine i'd drown the entire box in a bucket. I can live with the threat of beetles,But i will not purposfully bring them home. I've only had this happen once, But they never made it to the truck and the wax bucket was taped shut till the water was boiling then poured in like a live lobster. Now the choice is yours of course, but in my opinion its too much to risk, you could of course feed them while you put a coumaphas strip inside the box for a few days. My opinion with good reason. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From klam@inforamp.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help wild bees -- Thanks Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:25:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.225.204 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933701153 137.186.225.204 (Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:25:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:25:53 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20013 Thanks to everybody who offered me advice on how to deal with my wild bees. I moved them, got them into a (to me nice dry spot, in a well flowered area). Went to have a look a couple of days later and they had cleaned out their larders etc and moved who know where. That'll teach me to leave them to it, they obviously know how to look after themselves. once again thanks -- John Allen KLaM Custom Software for Small Business mailto: admin@klamsystems.com From preacherc@cvalley.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what kind of flowers? Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:28:40 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7o7dn7$nnh$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-36.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 933706279 24305 208.232.214.36 (3 Aug 1999 18:51:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 1999 18:51:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20014 I want to thank you guys for the info. I do believe, just for the sake of it. I may try to find a late or fall flowering type. We have plenty of early variety flowers. again thanks preacher From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Aug 5 11:25:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Battery Vacuum ?? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 19:09:56 GMT References: <7o5db7$gfq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803150956.23145.00000146@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20015 Battery? how about a hand crank based on an old forge blower or one of them old bomb shelter blowers from the duck and cover days.? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 11:10:58 GMT References: <37A65D8C.603AAAFD@globalserve.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803071058.28117.00002532@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20016 What you are going to plant sounds like a pretty big decision. Before choosing among the good suggestions here, you may want to think about what the greatest need will be for your bees in your area, or what you hope to accomplish by your modification of the environment. If spring forage is sparse in your area, or if you wish to facilitate a big spring build-up for your summer flows, you would want to choose plants that produce nectar and pollen in the spring, like dandelion or pussy willow. I f there is a midsummer dearth, sow what produces nectar and pollen during that period. If there is little autumn forage in your area, you might choose plants that produce best in the fall that are hardy to the zone you are in. Where I'm located in eastern Massachusetts, right now we are getting a lot of a weed called purple loosestrife -- a non-native plant that was inadvertently imported to this area, I'm told, some years ago on planes arriving from the UK at Logan airport in Boston. Environmentalists hate it (it displaces native plants in the swamps), but beekeepers love it. Envirolnmentalist beekeepers are torn. From nenders@my-deja.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: nenders@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How is Royal Jelly collected? Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:21:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.27.13.131 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 03 12:14:54 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95; isp1552) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.27.13.131 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20017 First of all, I now nothing about beekeeping. But I have always been curious as to how Royal Jelly is collected. I have been told that it is the stuff that the bees feed the queen. But how to we get it? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 5 11:25:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:28:11 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7o7mtr$len$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3.taxol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933715707 21975 62.136.88.3 (3 Aug 1999 21:28:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 1999 21:28:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20018 Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com>... >>The temp has hit 90 degrees this week and I put a wet flannel over the crown >board daily >I was concerned that this was not SERIOUSLY leaving them alone for 6 days >Even so much of the sealed brood died. Not enough flying bees perhaps > >Wish me luck >Thanks again > >Chris 2W 51N >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- Good luck! It is worth remembering that if you make up a nuc and leave it in the same apiary then you need to add more bees as any that have already made orientation flights will return home. This can be quite tricky to judge until you are used to it. As you have discovered , the brood needs bees to keep it cool in hot weather just as much as it does to keep it warm in the cold - and it has certainly been hot, 33 C here on Sunday. Always a good idea to give nucs some shade and access to water in hot weather - those little boxes must take some cooling with the summer sun directly on them. From j.j.edwards@sk.sympatico.ca Thu Aug 5 11:25:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37A77E20.22D0007F@sk.sympatico.ca> From: Joe Edwards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB? References: <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:41:20 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.115.118 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 933724182 142.165.115.118 (Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:49:42 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:49:42 CST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20019 Hi In regards to your AFB, in my opinion i would shake all the bees in a box of foundation and leave it in there for a day or two to give them a chance to digest any contaminated honey in their gut. After that reintroduce them to a new box and frames then feed terrymiacyn. Burn the other equipment including the box you should be ok Alan Montgomery wrote: > I am suspicious about two nucleus colonies I made up about month and a > half ago. Iexpected the 2 frame nuc with new carniolan queen to be > boiling over with bees by now. Not the case. One queen is missing along > with a good majority of the bees. The other is still there in her place > with more bees than the first. In both cases the brood is emering > somewhat but a lot are dead in their cells coiled up. Some cells have > the darkened look and when tested with a matchstick reveal a snotty > liquid. I am ready to burn all comb in each ive and scorch the hives and > bottom boards and inner covers? Is it possible to feed terramycin to the > remaining queen and bees and save them? I would like to requeen a > diferent hive, is this not possible without risking infection after > feeding TM for a while? Please give me your best scenario on this. I > called the Minnesota bee inspector and he is out of town until Thursday. > I hate to make any rash decisions without the official word? But am > ready to do what is in the best interests of my other colonies. > > Alan. > > I could send a picture of the suspected comb? From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help in removing hive from barn Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:01:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7o7vst$bqe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7o2pu4$2tg@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 00:01:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20020 Hi, Norm -- I assume that you are not a beekeeper, so I suggest that you do nothing just now. It is late in the season to get the bees out and save the colony. If at all possible, leave them in the barn while you decide whether you want to learn enough to be a "newbee" and keep bees for yourself. If you are not interested in doing this, please contact a local beekeeper for help and advice. To try to answer all your questions would be impractical on a forum like this. It might be a good chance for you to become one of us NEXT SPRING. In the meantime you will need to learn a good many basics. Good luck. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------------ npatt@snet.net wrote: > A couple of questions refering to removing honey bees from a barn > > 1. What is the going rate I could/should charge for the job? > > 2. What do I do with the brood and honey comb? > > 3. What other unusual equipment should I have on hand? > > 4. Any other advice? > > I have a swarm vacuum. > > Norm > npatt@snet.net > -- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help wild bees -- Thanks Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:07:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7o8083$c55$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 00:07:38 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20021 Don't be discouraged, John. Things like that happen to all of us. We can not always out-think the little critters' instincts. You probably know by now that it helps to put a queen excluder under the bottom box so the queen can't leave. Hang in there and Good Luck. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------ "John" wrote: > Thanks to everybody who offered me advice on how to deal with my wild bees. > > I moved them, got them into a (to me nice dry spot, in a well flowered area). Went to have a look a couple of days later and they had cleaned out their larders etc and moved who know where. That'll teach me to leave them to it, they obviously know how to look after themselves. > So much to learn - So little time !> once again thanks > > -- > John Allen > KLaM > Custom Software for Small Business > mailto: admin@klamsystems.com > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pakdad@mindspring.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Earn thousands from your home! Do not IGNORE this message! 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>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA A >AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA = >------------------Rover042856-- From pakdad@mindspring.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Pesticide question...please help! Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:39:18 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7o897o$481$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4a.18 X-Server-Date: 4 Aug 1999 02:40:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20023 Same thing but milder happened to one of my two hives. Makes a guy want to quit keeping bees! From pakdad@mindspring.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:42:52 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7o89ee$4a1$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <7ngici$f16$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990726041951.15879.00002596@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4a.18 X-Server-Date: 4 Aug 1999 02:44:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20024 And fireballs come from me arse! From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maybe some success Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Aug 1999 02:57:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20025 Well today is the day! I now know that I am learning SOMETHING from this board and it isn't just off-colored jokes and sexism :-) In April I purchased four packages and installed them in four seperate hives. They are all in various stages of developement but one in particular I would like to share with ya'll because it is really yous guys who have saved this hive and built it up. It actually is two packages. Both of them had mites and by looking the drone brood is how I diagnosed this problem Thank You #1 I installed apistan strips and all was well, or so I thought. They both ended up swarming. Plenty of room, good temp., not because of mites or me looking in too often. I still have no idea of why they swarmed except genetics. Anyway, both packages were small and struggling. I decided to combine the two. Thank You #2, I used the newspaper method. One was queenless and the other had brood and a queen. I put the one with the queen on top of the queenless one with newspaper in between. OK figured I'd just let them do their thing for awhile. OH Sh--! was supposed to put the queen on the BOTTOM! (3 days later) Thank You #3. Go back out to the apiary (is it still an apiary with just one hive?) and reverse the brood boxes Thank You #4. Today I checked on them again just to see. I had let them alone for about three weeks. KEWL! Both boxes are full of honey and this hive is THRIVING. I threw two westerns on it. Oh ya. NO gloves, NO beesuit, and NO veil. I did smoke them down so I wouldn't have to scrape the squishes next time. Fireweed and blackberries are in bloom so we will see if I can steal a frame of honey this year. I know this is long but I just want to let eveyone know that talking until you are blue in the face is not for naught. Laura From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 02:56:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7o8a46$iqq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 02:56:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20026 Hi Dennis -- Bees seem to be "sot in their ways" and resent change. Imagine being bounced around for 200 miles and then flying out in strange territory. No wonder they are disturbed. I had the same experience recently and moved them only about 50 miles. It took them almost a month to settle down. It will be interesting to hear comments from migratory beekeepers who move their bees frequently. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! --------------------------------------------------------- "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > Just a question on a hive of bees. I just moved this hive, two hundred > miles. When I picked it up, we went through it frame by frame looking for the queen, and doing a general check without any protection. Now still after > two weeks, they are looking for anything that moves within 50 feet. How long will they act this way? Does anyone know. I went today and looked over a super of honey, smoked them gently and lost about 50 bees over various parts of me:) a dozen got through.Haha. > Wont have a problem with anyone stealing honey. But it has my curiosity up. > thanks > preacher > > -- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in trees Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 03:05:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7o8alj$j71$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 03:05:28 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20027 , "Damon Josz" wrote: > Met an older gentleman yesterday who tracked some honey bees. 6 am this > morning we met and head into the woods and by golly he sure did find the > bees, 20 ft up. we felled the tree and pulled a nice swarm with brood but > no honey. Learned first hand about tyin in comb and even spotted the queen > head in. Also learned the careful cuts and splitting of the log! decent > swarm but no honey! Off to tree number 2, this time by four wheeler and then > a little hike and sure nuff we managed another swarm and still no honey! He > claims they would not have made it through the winter, I guess, seems bees > know what to do in my book. Great experience and we were home at noon. He > managed to get stung a few times yet I was gloveless doing the frame tying, > man was that slick. So for a new keeper I have hived my own swarm, requeened > what she left > ( I think either that or the buck was balled and the virgin came through!) > Working mites out at another hive and now did the tree bees. Next I want to > do a little tracking myself, and then sometime I m