From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Aug 1999 11:06:30 GMT References: <37A3D90A.2141@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801070630.01152.00001361@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19973 >can't say I ever got the hang of handling a >chopper. > > >AL > yeah i kinda like ta do my laying down in bed. Not that i ain't layed a few down over the years..er......ah ......bikes that is. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:21:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 17:21:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.50 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19974 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you equating > beekeeping to broccoli farming. He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:29:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7o2068$4ub$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> <19990725185447.23402.00001074@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 17:29:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.50 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Lines: 20 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19975 > The guy who sold it to me said it was a beekeeping video. Don't believe everything you hear. Or read. If you are someone who bothers to read the video dustjackets before you rent a movie at the video store, you are well aware that the blurb describing the movie's content OFTEN says things which simply aren't so -- as a matter of fact and not as a matter of interpretation. And occasionally dramas are labeled comedies because they have a bit of comic relief. All I'm saying is: most people, even people in "the industry," aren't very dependable when it comes to describing the content of a video they are selling or trying to rent out. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:05:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7o228c$6bc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <379B8906.1880@midwest.net> <19990725185447.23402.00001074@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.50 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 18:05:04 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x29.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.50 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19976 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >This is unfair characterization of a > commercial beekeeper. It is not a characterization of a beekeeper but of a person. Beekeeping is important to his portrayal, but there is never a hint that he is everybeekeeper. There is an immense difference between this and (negative) use of (usually) minor characters who are never developed as individuals. Stereotypes are sometimes used to flesh out a character the movie makers want us to "comprehend" without their doing the work to make a comprehensible character. Negative portrayal of underdeveloped characters according to a stereotype of their race, class, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, age, occupation, etc. is certainly objectionable. But, if a character is fully developed and happens to show characteristics consistent with aspects of the stereotype which are also "sound" in terms of the total characterization/ psychology, then you can like the character or dislike the character, but it's not an unfair portrayal. Take the white American stereotype of blacks' "having rhythm." It appeared in many, many movies and books as a way around treating blacks as anything more than background. But Gregory Hines IS one hell of a dancer. And the Alvin Ailey dance company have greatly enriched the cultural life of this nation... The fact that their talent and art are in the vein of a stereotype is nothing negative. Any more than it is negative to acknowledge that Michael Jordan is a great basketball player (which corresponds to another well-known stereotype). It is simply one part of reality. What is negative is the expectation that any real individual or sound characterization of a fictional individual represent an entire segment of society. It is an attitude which perpetuates the reduction of the individual into a type which has wrought so much harm down through time. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37a88d47.9114723@news.cidial.com> References: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net> <37a6192b.23732381@news.cidial.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:22:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.239 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 933532031 38.11.203.239 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:27:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:27:11 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19977 hugh, of Boschman hughes Apiaries, advises: >Take it easy Mr. Kroeger, he makes me smile. Diversity and > adversity is the spice of life. Sorry to trodden on your sensibilities Hugh, it's just that when I read: >4 billion self-deletions in the Third World will set the remaining >valuable and usful humans on their straight and true path unmolested. I don't see that as a cryptic statement as Mr. Finkelstein, who with his surname should know better, or as humorous, i.e your view. In America we of course tolerate nazis. In Germany they do not. I wonder why the Germans know something we don't? Charles Kroeger - You can be sincere and still be stupid. Charles F. Kettering From lithar@midwest.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 13:33:52 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <37A49310.27C6@midwest.net> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19978 paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > > jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > > I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you > equating > > beekeeping to broccoli farming. > > He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ > setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; > it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they > bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in > front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight > schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. > That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or > small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. Wish I'd said it that way... AL From orangerose@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: orangerose@aol.com (Orangerose) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear attack! advice needed Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Aug 1999 17:42:53 GMT References: <3793C3FC.B6CC7614@valley.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801134253.10031.00004403@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19979 >seriously, >this 'odor' was less like bear poop [not that i've smelled much of that in my >time], than like something had crawled inside my house and died. This is not very pleasant, but it is scientific--so if you're sqeamish, don't read. * * * * * * Most carnivorous mammals have anal glands--glands that lie just inside the anus on either side of the rectum. Some pet owners may have encountered a dog or a cat with infected glands, which are usually treated by "expressing" them--a truly unpleasant experience for the vet. The smell from anal glands is somewhere between very, very, sick animal and skunk. Animals release the glands when they are very frightened or threatened. Manx or other tailless cats use their anal glands more frequently than their tailed counterparts and usually are the most horrible smelling strays you every encountered. Seizures will also precipitate the release of the glands. (As I personally experienced with a dog I used to have). I would not be too surprised if a good electrical jolt wouldn't do the same thing to a bear/fox/weasel or other predator. End of veterinary anatomy lesson. Kelly From h.tait@home.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7ns80c$15b$0@206.231.152.93> <37A1B9C5.C0B306F4@hate.spam.net> <37a6192b.23732381@news.cidial.com> <37a88d47.9114723@news.cidial.com> Subject: Re: sustainable ag. info at public libraries and on the Web Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:17:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 933545863 24.65.132.209 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:17:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:17:43 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19980 Agreed, I think such statements must always be answered and challenged, or else it is assumed one is in agreement and it opens the door to very bad things . Humans nature is such that when you answer such views with trigger statements you are stupid or you should shoot yourself, the other individual immediately stops thinking. Which is what creates this twisted view to start with. As well it isolates the individual and gives him an easy out and your views and argument are dismissed. One should never allow these kind of twisted world views, to go unchallenged, but at the same time, intellgent thought and arguements nust be used. I believe people who hold these kind of views must be made to work very hard to defend them. If this kind of thought was challenged continually instead of the silence that sometimes occurs, there would be less nazis and other things that I know are wrong. I apologise I did not mean to offend, or support the views, only that in your anger ( understandable) you did not use the best tools to do the job. > > - > You can be sincere and still be stupid. > > Charles F. Kettering > From beeman221@my-deja.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman221@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:25:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7o2hgh$g43$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7ns2o9$mk8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nvnre$id$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.166.139.135 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 01 22:25:28 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 95; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 195.166.139.135 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman221 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19981 In article <7nvnre$id$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > Good question, > I just put two new queens out, one they accepted, and the other they killed. > Just put another in , and will see what happens. One that was accepted had > no queen in it for two weeks, the one that killed the queen, I took the old > queen out of last night. I was wondering if I should unite the two small > colonies now before winter, if they killed the queen again. Any suggestions > preacher Hi Dennis, Is it posible there is a virgin there through supercedure. Just to be on the safe side give them a test frame of eggs and open brood. If there is cell building then they are Queenless and the next introduction will be fine. If there is no sign of cell building then there is a Queen of some discription. By cell building I include the flooding of larvae with brood food, which makes the selected cells stand out by virtue of the ammount of broodfood food making them look very white in comparison to the others. This is apparent 12 hours after dequeening. I hope this helps in any degree. Regards from Scotland, Pete Watt. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lauramleek@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Address Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:37:53 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801203753.04004.00005063@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19982 If you are using and ISP most newsgroups are listed with the title NEWS/MAIL. Click on news, click on sci, find agr OR agriculture, click on that. You should then find beekeeping in the "B" listing Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Address Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:38:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801203858.04004.00005064@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19983 The majority of ISP carry a news server. No need to go through a seperate server. Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Mon Aug 2 06:14:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 00:44:41 GMT References: <19990728231353.25204.00003343@ng-cr1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990801204441.04004.00005065@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19984 And here I thought the June bugs waited until Aug just beecause EVERYTHING in NC is Slow(er) Laura From cpierce@usit.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!dialup204.tnnas2.usit.net!user From: cpierce@usit.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeepers In Tennessee? Message-ID: Lines: 10 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:05:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.153.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 933555908 216.80.153.206 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:05:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:05:08 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19985 I have had a honey bee invasion. In about May I observed bees liting on a limb in the front yard. A few weeks ago I found that the bees have set up houskeeping on my house. I hate to destroy these and would like to find someone who would like to adopt them. Please let me know as I need to do somethng before thngs get out of hand for me. Thanks Charles From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Opinions.....Two Hive Bodies Best? From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 11 Message-ID: <0n6p3.8613$lg.495057@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.105 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933556796 216.98.71.105 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:19:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:19:56 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:19:56 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19986 For a number of years I have been keeping my bees in a one and a half story hive made up of a full depth hive body and a Illinois super. During this time I was into comb honey production using Ross Rounds. This year I converted over to extracted honey and sold most of my Ross supers. Now I am trying to decide if I should go with two full depth hive bodies for my normal hive configuration during most of the year when the supers aren't on top or stick with the one and a half story system. My hives are in east Tenn. Looking for advice. John From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Midnight Bee From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990724015733.17079.00001076@ng-fs1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.105 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933557158 216.98.71.105 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:25:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:25:58 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:25:58 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19987 I have kept Midnites and I liked them allot. My bees are kept in a neighborhood setting and the midnites are very calm. Over a period of several years my bees became more and more Italian in genetic makeup through swarming, supercedure, etc. Because of this the bees are becoming more and more aggresive so this fall I plan to requeen all my hives with midnites again. Good honey producers also. John In article <19990724015733.17079.00001076@ng-fs1.aol.com>, spcherub@aol.com says... > >Hello all. I have been looking around for information on the Midnight hybrid >but haven't found alot of info. I'd like to hear the pros and cons of this bee >from anyone who presently keeps them or has in the past. Thanks. > >Todd W. >Palmetto, GA From npatt@snet.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out-b.news.pipex.net.MISMATCH!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help in removing hive from barn Date: 2 Aug 1999 00:49:08 GMT Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7o2pu4$2tg@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: trtn-sh5-port85.snet.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19988 A couple of questions refering to removing honey bees from a barn 1. What is the going rate I could/should charge for the job? 2. What do I do with the brood and honey comb? 3. What other unusual equipment should I have on hand? 4. Any other advice? I have a swarm vacuum. Norm npatt@snet.net From jrmars@tricon.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers In Tennessee? From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.105 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933557360 216.98.71.105 (Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:29:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:29:20 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:29:20 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19989 Where in Tenn? In article , cpierce@usit.net says... > >I have had a honey bee invasion. In about May I observed bees liting on a >limb in the front yard. A few weeks ago I found that the bees have set up >houskeeping on my house. I hate to destroy these and would like to find >someone who would like to adopt them. > >Please let me know as I need to do somethng before thngs get out of hand for me. > >Thanks > >Charles From dvisrael@earthlink.net Mon Aug 2 06:14:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 21:21:15 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990731014409.14799.00000012@ng-cj1.aol.com> To: MDRbees X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 2 Aug 1999 01:25:13 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Aug 1 18:35:01 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust123.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37A4F28B.7DC0@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19990 I had more luck shaking the bees about 10 feet from their location and introducing a laying queen. I put her in a cage and two days later pulled the cork. She was still there two weeks ago. Don From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Aug 2 17:45:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 15:52:10 GMT References: <37a587be.344279109@news.usenetserver.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990802115210.25864.00005525@ng-bg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19991 > >Bringing Helen home is the odessey > Yeah and the daughter in law is the one who runs into the lotus eaters. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From max@gadsden.com Mon Aug 2 17:45:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!hub1.ispnews.com!news21b.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Max Sanders" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: used extractor and uncapping knife Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.140.85.74 X-Trace: news21b.ispnews.com 933611603 208.140.85.74 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:33:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:33:23 EDT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:32:09 -0500 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19992 I used this Dadant WB401 electric extractor only once. It costs $515 new, holds 6 6 1/4 inch or shallower frames, has electronic speed control, stainless steel construction with honey gate. I am asking $375 plus actual shipping expense from NE Alabama. Also have best quatlity electric uncapping knife.....used once.....Cost $78 new. Asking $45 plus shipping. thanks. Max @gadsden.com 256 )543 3967 From preacherc@cvalley.net Mon Aug 2 17:45:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:23:53 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-130.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 933614459 31836 208.232.214.130 (2 Aug 1999 17:20:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 17:20:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19993 I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? thanks preacher From lithar@midwest.net Mon Aug 2 17:45:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 10:28:10 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 47 Message-ID: <37A5B909.70A7@midwest.net> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37a587be.344279109@news.usenetserver.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19994 Hmmm, makes the broccoli angle a bit tougher to make. AL Dave Hamilton wrote: > > It really just a retelling of the story of Ulyssees search for gold > > Ule = Ulyssees > Hope > Penelope - his dead wife = Penny > Helen > > Bringing Helen home is the odessey > > He also finds his real gold - redemption isn't the gold he was > searching for > > Dave > > On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:21:52 GMT, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > > >jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > >> I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you > >equating > >> beekeeping to broccoli farming. > > > >He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ > >setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; > >it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they > >bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in > >front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight > >schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. > >That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or > >small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Paul Kent Oakley > >The Sabine Farm > >Ava, Illinois, USA > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 2 17:45:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:00:04 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7o4m53$k5e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-36.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933616611 20654 209.130.165.36 (2 Aug 1999 17:56:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 17:56:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19995 Dandelions, white and yellow sweet clover, white dutch, alfalfa, buckwheat, alsike, trefoil, maple trees, poplars, American Linden, wildflowers, goldenrod...how's that for starters :-) depends on where you are... Thanks for "giving up" your acreage for the sake of your bees! --Busybee Dennis Crutchfield wrote in message <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net>... >I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you >plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? >thanks >preacher > > From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Mon Aug 2 17:45:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa Table Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:53:47 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 933587975 nnrp-10:5735 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19996 Now that most beekeepers in the UK ought to be thinking of varroa treatment, I have posted a table based on the calculator developed by the NBU and supplied by the BBKA. It is easier to use than the calulator, and should work in places where the calculator is not availble. Try http://www.tomsp8.demon.co.uk -- Tom Speight From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Mon Aug 2 17:45:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees in trees Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:26:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 933593172 208.170.81.139 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 06:26:12 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 06:26:12 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19997 Met an older gentleman yesterday who tracked some honey bees. 6 am this morning we met and head into the woods and by golly he sure did find the bees, 20 ft up. we felled the tree and pulled a nice swarm with brood but no honey. Learned first hand about tyin in comb and even spotted the queen head in. Also learned the careful cuts and splitting of the log! decent swarm but no honey! Off to tree number 2, this time by four wheeler and then a little hike and sure nuff we managed another swarm and still no honey! He claims they would not have made it through the winter, I guess, seems bees know what to do in my book. Great experience and we were home at noon. He managed to get stung a few times yet I was gloveless doing the frame tying, man was that slick. So for a new keeper I have hived my own swarm, requeened what she left ( I think either that or the buck was balled and the virgin came through!) Working mites out at another hive and now did the tree bees. Next I want to do a little tracking myself, and then sometime I might like to collect a little honey from all this adventure ;>) damon From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 2 17:45:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: June Bug Problems Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Aug 1999 12:02:21 GMT References: <19990801204441.04004.00005065@ng-da1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990802080221.07070.00005352@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19998 > beecause EVERYTHING in >NC is Slow(er) > >Laura funny my wife never complains Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hamilton@pbssite.com Tue Aug 3 08:17:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-peer-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-in.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!IRIS.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Message-ID: <37a587be.344279109@news.usenetserver.com> References: <379BA29F.6969@midwest.net> <19990725204947.24260.00001458@ngol02.aol.com> <7o1vn9$4js$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 40 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 12:03:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.91.44.54 X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com X-Trace: IRIS 933595042 207.91.44.54 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:57:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 04:57:22 PDT Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19999 It really just a retelling of the story of Ulyssees search for gold Ule = Ulyssees Hope Penelope - his dead wife = Penny Helen Bringing Helen home is the odessey He also finds his real gold - redemption isn't the gold he was searching for Dave On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:21:52 GMT, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: >jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >> I hope there would be some in the group that would take issue with you >equating >> beekeeping to broccoli farming. > >He didn't equate the two as things unto themselves, only as background/ >setting for this particular movie. The movie isn't about beekeeping; >it's about the dynamics of one really screwed up family, how they >bottomed out and began to look up. We don't see Fonda philosophizing in >front of the bee hive, we see him with lots of hard work on a tight >schedule with the goals of middle men always threatening his living. >That could be just about any farmer's, or self-employed person's, or >small-scale manufacturer's position, broccoli farmers among them. > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Paul Kent Oakley >The Sabine Farm >Ava, Illinois, USA > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 3 08:17:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:08:14 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7o52ig$ga4$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7o4m53$k5e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933629328 16708 62.136.17.104 (2 Aug 1999 21:28:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 21:28:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 28 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20000 Oregano might be a good bet judging from the bees working it in our herb garden - it is certainly their favourite by a long way. Anyone any experience of large scale plantings of it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------ busybee wrote in message <7o4m53$k5e$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Dandelions, white and yellow sweet clover, white dutch, alfalfa, buckwheat, >alsike, trefoil, maple trees, poplars, American Linden, wildflowers, >goldenrod...how's that for starters :-) > >depends on where you are... > >Thanks for "giving up" your acreage for the sake of your bees! > >--Busybee > >Dennis Crutchfield wrote in message ><7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net>... >>I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you >>plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? >>thanks >>preacher >> >> > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 3 08:17:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:16:22 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7o52ii$ga4$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990731014409.14799.00000012@ng-cj1.aol.com> <37A4F28B.7DC0@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.bromine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933629330 16708 62.136.17.104 (2 Aug 1999 21:28:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Aug 1999 21:28:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 17 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20001 Just a point that we have not mentioned before: the fact that a queen appears to have been accepted does not man that she has not been damaged. Workers will sometimes chew the feet of a queen in a cage and she may then be superseded later - if you mark your queens you will know, if you do not then you may think that you are still looking at the queen that you introduced. For this reason alone I prefer the queen to be released ASAP. workerbee wrote in message <37A4F28B.7DC0@earthlink.net>... >I had more luck shaking the bees about 10 feet from their location and >introducing a laying queen. I put her in a cage and two days later >pulled the cork. She was still there two weeks ago. > >Don > From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Tue Aug 3 08:17:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:56:59 +0100 Organization: GXSN Message-ID: <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.137.158 X-Trace: 933631251 1NNUCNF1G899EC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 44 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20002 Thank you all for your advice On opening the first hive for re-queening they came up in droves I persevered and since the flow was obviously over I made a nuc and introduced the new queen in a cage Surprisingly the bees calmed down after about 5 mins I had made nucs up for the other 2 hives also The temp has hit 90 degrees this week and I put a wet flannel over the crown board daily I was concerned that this was not SERIOUSLY leaving them alone for 6 days Even so much of the sealed brood died. Not enough flying bees perhaps But 2 new queens have been released from their cages and have just started laying I have fed these with a frame feeder and will leave till Sept to introduce as advised The third nuc had an ill fitting roof and was virtually deserted by the added bees who became dastardly robbers Consequently the new queen was not released BUT was still alive and kicking after 6 days She has been rehoused with added bees and taken to another site to start the process again Wish me luck Thanks again Chris 2W 51N >>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>Agree on the curlers. >> >>If flow still on the do it now. >> >>If not, then the bees will be very defensive and it is not a good time. I >>would make some very small nucs - just a frame would do, with some very >>young bees (take a frame, make sure the queen is not on it, shake it once >>gently to remove the older bees, then shake the remaining bees into your >>nuc); introduce the queen, feed if necessary but a frame of food would be >>better, and protect against robbing. >> >>Then use the nucs to introduce the queens in September; it is a good month >>for requeening as the excitement will have died down. > From kaylor@stsci.edu Tue Aug 3 08:17:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!204.121.3.5!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!noao!stsci.edu!not-for-mail From: John Kaylor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for help with Smokey Mtn Bee Co. Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:05:47 -0400 Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore, MD 21218 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37A5EC0B.25FE16F@stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: johndeere.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20003 I am looking for anyone that might know or are friends with David Winters of Smokey Mtn Bees. I am looking for individuals that might belong to a club or bee association that might see him in the near future. If you could help me, please respond privately. Thanks in advance, John Kaylor kaylor@stsci.edu From mwhite@globalserve.net Tue Aug 3 08:17:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: mwhite Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 20:10:04 -0700 Organization: ICAN.Net Customer Lines: 48 Message-ID: <37A65D8C.603AAAFD@globalserve.net> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin194.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20004 Hi Dennis: This may be of help to you depending what horticultural zone you live in. These plants are hardy up to zone 6. *Plants that are high in nectar Perennials: *Alfalfa, *Anise Hyssop (Agastache foeniculum), *Blue Globe Thistle (Echinops ritro) , *Blueweed (Echium vugare) , * Chapmans Globe Thistle (Echinops Sphaerocephalus)*Clover(red,alsike,black), *Dandelion, Coneflower (Echinacea purpurea), *Goldenrod , *Mountain Mint (Pycnanthemum) , *New England Aster (Aster novae-angliae) *Sweet Clover (Melilotus officinialis), *Wingstem (Actinomeris) , Allium, Canada Thistle (Cirsium arvense), Crocus spp., Deadnettle (Lamium), Figwort (Scrophularia auriculata, Var.), Forget-me-not (Myosotis spp.), Gayfeather (Liatris), Geranium spp., Grape Hyacinth (Muscari), Hollyhock (Alcea), Knapweed (Centaurea), Lavender, Aubretia, Sedum, Snowdrops (Galanthus), St. John’s Wort (Hypericum), Strawberry, Thyme, Trillium Annuals: *Oregano, *Sunflower Helianthus annuus, Blue Bells Phacelia tanacetifolia, Borage, Lavatera, Rosemary Shrubs: *Lilac, *Raspberry, Alt-leaved Dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), Barberry (Berberis), Berry bushes, Elderberry (Sambucus canadensis), Firethorn (Pyracantha), Honeysuckle, Mock Orange, Oregon Grape Holly (Mahonia), Red Osier Dogwood (Cornus stolonifera), Roses, Russian Olive, Saskatoonberry, Siberian Pea Shrub, Viburnum Trees: *Basswood, *Fruit Trees, *Hawthorn, *Silver Maple, *Sugar Maple, *Willow, Birch, Black Locust, Catalpa, Horse-Chestnut, Magnolia, Mountain Ash, Serviceberry, Sumac Mike Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you > plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? > thanks > preacher From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Aug 3 08:17:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Battery Vacuum ?? Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 00:32:39 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 50 Message-ID: <7o5db7$gfq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nra14$oma$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37A23DD2.7D9CDD2D@azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.84 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 03 00:32:39 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x36.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.84 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20005 Thanks for the info, John. I'll be watching for the diagram on the Tucson site. I've always wanted to visit you folks there ever since I worked with S.E. McGregor in the summr of 1937. I haven't made it yet, but I probably will. Thanks again. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! -------------------------------------------------------------- John Edwards wrote: > > > Pete wrote: > > > Have any of you folks tried to develop a bee vacuum using a Dust Buster > > or similar battery powered vac? > > Yes, I redeveloped one model in about 1988, which of course everybody > dismissed as "been there, done that". I'll put an image of it on the > web(Tucson Bee Lab) when I get back to work - - waiting in line to talk to > the neurosurgeon about my disk problem right now. :( > The beevac has worked quite well for us over the 90's for sampling up to > 200 bees - the main problem is DustBuster model changes. After about a > dozen units, we are now up to the ones with removable batteries. I don't > know your intended use, but will post a snapshot ASAP. Basically, you tape > over the "snout", drill in from the top flat area, and friction-fit a piece > of PVC pipe about 6 inches long. Drill holes in a plastic vial, seal into > pipe with an O-ring, drill a hole in cap for nalgene tube, and attach a > two-foot piece of PVC pipe. As you can tell, many ways to change my design. > I can get a reliable 15 minutes running time. > John Edwards, Tucson (down, but not out) > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From nanadobbs@aol.com Tue Aug 3 08:17:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: nanadobbs@aol.com (NANADOBBS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 02:51:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20006 Please, can someone help with advice? Today I removed a huge colony from an apartment building soffet. While removing them (using my home made bee-vacuum) I noticed several small beetles. I am almost positive they are the small hive beetle we fear. My problem is that I have a box full of bees and I am not sure what to do with them. If I put them in a deep super with drawn out frames and there are beetles in with them, will I have to destroy the whole thing. I guess what I am asking is what would some of you more experienced bee charmers do?? I live in Augusta Georgia and I have two healthy hives(I think,Hope) they were the last time I checked last week. Please help me if you can quickly as the bees are getting restless. Pleas reply to tdobbs@aug.edu. Thanks alot. Tim Dobbs From mdiver@voy.net Tue Aug 3 08:17:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeepers In Tennessee? From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.172.77 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933650481 209.42.172.77 (Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:21:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:21:21 EDT Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 03:21:21 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20007 In article , cpierce@usit.net says... > >I have had a honey bee invasion. In about May I observed bees liting on a >limb in the front yard. A few weeks ago I found that the bees have set up >houskeeping on my house. I hate to destroy these and would like to find >someone who would like to adopt them. > >Please let me know as I need to do somethng before thngs get out of hand for me. > >Thanks > >Charles What part of Tennessee are you? I'm in Chattanooga, if you're in the area e-mail me at mdiver@voy.net Ron From john01hsu@hotmail.com Tue Aug 3 08:17:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "John Hsu" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queen breeding Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:34:03 +1200 Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7o6d2l$b8s$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p362-tnt4.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20008 Hi, I am new as a beekeeping hobbist. I am thinking of breeding my own queens at same time when I am handling swarm control. The idea is to turn a two brood chamber hive into a four box hive. To start with, I would move the bottom brood chamber on the side, examine each frame carefully to make sure there is no queen but enough eggs and broods for a new hive. Then, I would stack the hive with a new brood chamber and a new super containing old combs or new foundations. Put queen excluders beneath and above the new super and top the hive with the brood chamber we put on the side in the beginning. It ends up with four box hives. Top one is used for breeding the new queen. The new second brood chamber is used to control the swarm by making more room to laying queen. I have not tried out this idea, and would be very happy to have some feedback from more experienced beekeepers. From nono@nono.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP From: nono@nono.com (John) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 36 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.69 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933690062 216.98.69.69 (Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:21:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:21:02 EDT Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:21:02 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20009 Tim, I you need the bees then I would do ahead and and put them in a hive. You might want to located the hive away from your other hives until you can determine what if any problems they might have. If you can bag a few of those beetles, maybe someone knowledgeable can ID them. If you don't want the bees then sell or give them away to whoever is willing to take a risk. John In article <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com>, nanadobbs@aol.com says... > >Please, can someone help with advice? Today I removed a huge colony >from an >apartment building soffet. While removing them (using my home made bee-vacuum) >I noticed several small beetles. I am almost positive they are the small hive >beetle we fear. My problem is that I have a box full of bees and I am not sure >what to do with them. If I put them in a deep super with drawn out frames and >there are beetles in with them, will I have to destroy the whole thing. I >guess what I am asking is what would some of you more experienced bee charmers >do?? I live in Augusta Georgia and I have two healthy hives(I think,Hope) they >were the last time I checked last week. >Please help me if you can quickly as the bees are getting restless. >Pleas reply to tdobbs@aug.edu. >Thanks alot. >Tim Dobbs From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:26:25 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <37A6FC11.2100@midwest.net> References: <7o4k1r$v2s$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20010 Dennis Crutchfield wrote: > > I have just purchased 4 acres of land, and am wondering what would you > plant, for the bees to get honey from next year? > thanks > preacher I've been following the responses to your inquiry and taking notes. One thing I don't recall being mention in all the suggestions though was soil testing. It would be a good idea to have your soil tested to see what conditioning is required for your choice of vegetation. AL From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 17:05:50 GMT References: <19990802225137.10614.00005149@ng-fb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803130550.29215.00006230@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20012 >hink,Hope) they >were the last time I checked last week. >Please help me if you can quickly as the bees are getting restless. >Pleas reply to tdobbs@aug.edu. >Thanks alot. >Tim Dobbs > Tim i'm probably gonna get jumped on for this one but if they were mine i'd drown the entire box in a bucket. I can live with the threat of beetles,But i will not purposfully bring them home. I've only had this happen once, But they never made it to the truck and the wax bucket was taped shut till the water was boiling then poured in like a live lobster. Now the choice is yours of course, but in my opinion its too much to risk, you could of course feed them while you put a coumaphas strip inside the box for a few days. My opinion with good reason. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From klam@inforamp.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help wild bees -- Thanks Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:25:52 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.225.204 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933701153 137.186.225.204 (Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:25:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:25:53 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20013 Thanks to everybody who offered me advice on how to deal with my wild bees. I moved them, got them into a (to me nice dry spot, in a well flowered area). Went to have a look a couple of days later and they had cleaned out their larders etc and moved who know where. That'll teach me to leave them to it, they obviously know how to look after themselves. once again thanks -- John Allen KLaM Custom Software for Small Business mailto: admin@klamsystems.com From preacherc@cvalley.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what kind of flowers? Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:28:40 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7o7dn7$nnh$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-36.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 933706279 24305 208.232.214.36 (3 Aug 1999 18:51:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 1999 18:51:19 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20014 I want to thank you guys for the info. I do believe, just for the sake of it. I may try to find a late or fall flowering type. We have plenty of early variety flowers. again thanks preacher From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Aug 5 11:25:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Battery Vacuum ?? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 19:09:56 GMT References: <7o5db7$gfq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803150956.23145.00000146@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20015 Battery? how about a hand crank based on an old forge blower or one of them old bomb shelter blowers from the duck and cover days.? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Information on planting flowers Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Aug 1999 11:10:58 GMT References: <37A65D8C.603AAAFD@globalserve.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803071058.28117.00002532@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20016 What you are going to plant sounds like a pretty big decision. Before choosing among the good suggestions here, you may want to think about what the greatest need will be for your bees in your area, or what you hope to accomplish by your modification of the environment. If spring forage is sparse in your area, or if you wish to facilitate a big spring build-up for your summer flows, you would want to choose plants that produce nectar and pollen in the spring, like dandelion or pussy willow. I f there is a midsummer dearth, sow what produces nectar and pollen during that period. If there is little autumn forage in your area, you might choose plants that produce best in the fall that are hardy to the zone you are in. Where I'm located in eastern Massachusetts, right now we are getting a lot of a weed called purple loosestrife -- a non-native plant that was inadvertently imported to this area, I'm told, some years ago on planes arriving from the UK at Logan airport in Boston. Environmentalists hate it (it displaces native plants in the swamps), but beekeepers love it. Envirolnmentalist beekeepers are torn. From nenders@my-deja.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: nenders@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How is Royal Jelly collected? Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:21:57 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.27.13.131 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 03 12:14:54 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95; isp1552) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.27.13.131 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20017 First of all, I now nothing about beekeeping. But I have always been curious as to how Royal Jelly is collected. I have been told that it is the stuff that the bees feed the queen. But how to we get it? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 5 11:25:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:28:11 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7o7mtr$len$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3.taxol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 933715707 21975 62.136.88.3 (3 Aug 1999 21:28:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 1999 21:28:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20018 Christopher Dainton wrote in message <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com>... >>The temp has hit 90 degrees this week and I put a wet flannel over the crown >board daily >I was concerned that this was not SERIOUSLY leaving them alone for 6 days >Even so much of the sealed brood died. Not enough flying bees perhaps > >Wish me luck >Thanks again > >Chris 2W 51N >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------- Good luck! It is worth remembering that if you make up a nuc and leave it in the same apiary then you need to add more bees as any that have already made orientation flights will return home. This can be quite tricky to judge until you are used to it. As you have discovered , the brood needs bees to keep it cool in hot weather just as much as it does to keep it warm in the cold - and it has certainly been hot, 33 C here on Sunday. Always a good idea to give nucs some shade and access to water in hot weather - those little boxes must take some cooling with the summer sun directly on them. From j.j.edwards@sk.sympatico.ca Thu Aug 5 11:25:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!cyclone.mbnet.mb.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!clarke.sasknet.sk.ca!tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37A77E20.22D0007F@sk.sympatico.ca> From: Joe Edwards X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB? References: <379E0AE7.7D67@visi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:41:20 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.165.115.118 X-Trace: tomcat.sk.sympatico.ca 933724182 142.165.115.118 (Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:49:42 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:49:42 CST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20019 Hi In regards to your AFB, in my opinion i would shake all the bees in a box of foundation and leave it in there for a day or two to give them a chance to digest any contaminated honey in their gut. After that reintroduce them to a new box and frames then feed terrymiacyn. Burn the other equipment including the box you should be ok Alan Montgomery wrote: > I am suspicious about two nucleus colonies I made up about month and a > half ago. Iexpected the 2 frame nuc with new carniolan queen to be > boiling over with bees by now. Not the case. One queen is missing along > with a good majority of the bees. The other is still there in her place > with more bees than the first. In both cases the brood is emering > somewhat but a lot are dead in their cells coiled up. Some cells have > the darkened look and when tested with a matchstick reveal a snotty > liquid. I am ready to burn all comb in each ive and scorch the hives and > bottom boards and inner covers? Is it possible to feed terramycin to the > remaining queen and bees and save them? I would like to requeen a > diferent hive, is this not possible without risking infection after > feeding TM for a while? Please give me your best scenario on this. I > called the Minnesota bee inspector and he is out of town until Thursday. > I hate to make any rash decisions without the official word? But am > ready to do what is in the best interests of my other colonies. > > Alan. > > I could send a picture of the suspected comb? From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help in removing hive from barn Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:01:37 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7o7vst$bqe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7o2pu4$2tg@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 00:01:37 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20020 Hi, Norm -- I assume that you are not a beekeeper, so I suggest that you do nothing just now. It is late in the season to get the bees out and save the colony. If at all possible, leave them in the barn while you decide whether you want to learn enough to be a "newbee" and keep bees for yourself. If you are not interested in doing this, please contact a local beekeeper for help and advice. To try to answer all your questions would be impractical on a forum like this. It might be a good chance for you to become one of us NEXT SPRING. In the meantime you will need to learn a good many basics. Good luck. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------------ npatt@snet.net wrote: > A couple of questions refering to removing honey bees from a barn > > 1. What is the going rate I could/should charge for the job? > > 2. What do I do with the brood and honey comb? > > 3. What other unusual equipment should I have on hand? > > 4. Any other advice? > > I have a swarm vacuum. > > Norm > npatt@snet.net > -- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help wild bees -- Thanks Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 00:07:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7o8083$c55$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.82 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 00:07:38 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x39.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.82 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20021 Don't be discouraged, John. Things like that happen to all of us. We can not always out-think the little critters' instincts. You probably know by now that it helps to put a queen excluder under the bottom box so the queen can't leave. Hang in there and Good Luck. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ------------------------------------ "John" wrote: > Thanks to everybody who offered me advice on how to deal with my wild bees. > > I moved them, got them into a (to me nice dry spot, in a well flowered area). Went to have a look a couple of days later and they had cleaned out their larders etc and moved who know where. That'll teach me to leave them to it, they obviously know how to look after themselves. > So much to learn - So little time !> once again thanks > > -- > John Allen > KLaM > Custom Software for Small Business > mailto: admin@klamsystems.com > > -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From pakdad@mindspring.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Earn thousands from your home! Do not IGNORE this message! 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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:39:18 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7o897o$481$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4a.18 X-Server-Date: 4 Aug 1999 02:40:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20023 Same thing but milder happened to one of my two hives. Makes a guy want to quit keeping bees! From pakdad@mindspring.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:42:52 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: <7o89ee$4a1$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net> References: <7ngici$f16$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990726041951.15879.00002596@ng-fi1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.4a.18 X-Server-Date: 4 Aug 1999 02:44:30 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20024 And fireballs come from me arse! From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maybe some success Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Aug 1999 02:57:44 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20025 Well today is the day! I now know that I am learning SOMETHING from this board and it isn't just off-colored jokes and sexism :-) In April I purchased four packages and installed them in four seperate hives. They are all in various stages of developement but one in particular I would like to share with ya'll because it is really yous guys who have saved this hive and built it up. It actually is two packages. Both of them had mites and by looking the drone brood is how I diagnosed this problem Thank You #1 I installed apistan strips and all was well, or so I thought. They both ended up swarming. Plenty of room, good temp., not because of mites or me looking in too often. I still have no idea of why they swarmed except genetics. Anyway, both packages were small and struggling. I decided to combine the two. Thank You #2, I used the newspaper method. One was queenless and the other had brood and a queen. I put the one with the queen on top of the queenless one with newspaper in between. OK figured I'd just let them do their thing for awhile. OH Sh--! was supposed to put the queen on the BOTTOM! (3 days later) Thank You #3. Go back out to the apiary (is it still an apiary with just one hive?) and reverse the brood boxes Thank You #4. Today I checked on them again just to see. I had let them alone for about three weeks. KEWL! Both boxes are full of honey and this hive is THRIVING. I threw two westerns on it. Oh ya. NO gloves, NO beesuit, and NO veil. I did smoke them down so I wouldn't have to scrape the squishes next time. Fireweed and blackberries are in bloom so we will see if I can steal a frame of honey this year. I know this is long but I just want to let eveyone know that talking until you are blue in the face is not for naught. Laura From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 02:56:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7o8a46$iqq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 02:56:09 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20026 Hi Dennis -- Bees seem to be "sot in their ways" and resent change. Imagine being bounced around for 200 miles and then flying out in strange territory. No wonder they are disturbed. I had the same experience recently and moved them only about 50 miles. It took them almost a month to settle down. It will be interesting to hear comments from migratory beekeepers who move their bees frequently. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! --------------------------------------------------------- "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > Just a question on a hive of bees. I just moved this hive, two hundred > miles. When I picked it up, we went through it frame by frame looking for the queen, and doing a general check without any protection. Now still after > two weeks, they are looking for anything that moves within 50 feet. How long will they act this way? Does anyone know. I went today and looked over a super of honey, smoked them gently and lost about 50 bees over various parts of me:) a dozen got through.Haha. > Wont have a problem with anyone stealing honey. But it has my curiosity up. > thanks > preacher > > -- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in trees Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 03:05:28 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7o8alj$j71$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 03:05:28 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20027 , "Damon Josz" wrote: > Met an older gentleman yesterday who tracked some honey bees. 6 am this > morning we met and head into the woods and by golly he sure did find the > bees, 20 ft up. we felled the tree and pulled a nice swarm with brood but > no honey. Learned first hand about tyin in comb and even spotted the queen > head in. Also learned the careful cuts and splitting of the log! decent > swarm but no honey! Off to tree number 2, this time by four wheeler and then > a little hike and sure nuff we managed another swarm and still no honey! He > claims they would not have made it through the winter, I guess, seems bees > know what to do in my book. Great experience and we were home at noon. He > managed to get stung a few times yet I was gloveless doing the frame tying, > man was that slick. So for a new keeper I have hived my own swarm, requeened > what she left > ( I think either that or the buck was balled and the virgin came through!) > Working mites out at another hive and now did the tree bees. Next I want to > do a little tracking myself, and then sometime I might like to collect a > little honey from all this adventure ;>) damon > -------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Damon -- Good for you. Good experience. this late in the season will mean that you need to feed them sugar syrup like crazy to let them store up enough honey for winter. Next spring you need to trap a colony out of a wall to get some more valuable experience. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Don't Make My Mistake !! Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 03:23:26 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7o8bn6$jns$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 03:23:26 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x25.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20028 Hi, All -- Queen with package was superceded a while back. I decided to clip/mark the new queen. Plenty of young brood so I did it. MISTAKE. This seems to be one of those things described in the books. New queen must have been protected from the old queen until she was a few days old. You guessed it. The young queen had not mated. My job of clip/mark was fine. She looks plump and beautiful (can queens be called buxom?) She is laying prolifically and good pattern --- all drone brood. They are packed together so tightly in the worker cells that many of them are trapped and can not get out. Patience, Patience, Patience. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From dmcneil@clear.net.nz Thu Aug 5 11:25:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!203.97.37.7!newsfeed.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee stings Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:58:14 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.167.201.198 X-Trace: news.clear.net.nz 933745902 203.167.201.198 (Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:51:42 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:51:42 NZST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20029 I recently heard that bee stings can help with arthritis symptoms. Does anyone know why this works and if they have any other healing effects? From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:20:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7o95oo$t3o$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20030 "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: >Just a question on a hive of bees. I just moved this hive, two hundred >miles. When I picked it up, we went through it frame by frame looking for >the queen, and doing a general check without any protection. Now still after >two weeks, they are looking for anything that moves within 50 feet. How long >do you will they act this way? Does anyone know. I went today and looked >over a super of honey, smoked them gently and lost about 50 bees over >various parts of me:) a dozen got through.Haha. >Wont have a problem with anyone stealing honey. But it has my curiosity up >thanks >preacher I would guess that going through them was your biggest mistake. It loosens all the frames so that they move while you are moving them. You may have moved them to a nectar dirth as well. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:40:05 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-61.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933766611 43034 209.130.165.61 (4 Aug 1999 11:36:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 1999 11:36:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20031 Hi all- When moving our bees--it gets to be quite an ordeal for them. IE. we remove them from their home yard to another "holding" yard where they all gather waiting for their transportation. Could be a 1-3 day wait. Temprament still ok - they have all been fed and if it is hot-- the hives are misted down. Truck arrives...they are loaded in evening hours and netted...and they are off! Drivers are usually trained to water the load and knows *hopefully* enough not to stop in well-lit areas for too long! 1200 miles later... timed to unload towards dusk. Where they again are set out in a "holding" yard. 1-3 day wait again before they are moved to their summer home. Temprament: still pretty good--I think they are happy to be able to get out and releive themselves. They get on the ornery side if you are setting them down in areas where their is little forage or in the little chance the queen was accidently killed in the move. Keep in mind they are still well-fed...that makes a BIG difference. Also - it helps that they are a gentle bee stock to begin with. --Busybee Dennis Crutchfield wrote in message <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net>... >Just a question on a hive of bees. I just moved this hive, two hundred >miles. When I picked it up, we went through it frame by frame looking for >the queen, and doing a general check without any protection. Now still after >two weeks, they are looking for anything that moves within 50 feet. How long >do you will they act this way? Does anyone know. I went today and looked >over a super of honey, smoked them gently and lost about 50 bees over >various parts of me:) a dozen got through.Haha. >Wont have a problem with anyone stealing honey. But it has my curiosity up >thanks >preacher > > > From dvisrael@earthlink.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How is Royal Jelly collected? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 07:35:14 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: nenders@my-deja.com X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Aug 1999 11:39:28 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Aug 4 04:45:03 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 14 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust121.tnt11.tco2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37A82572.35A@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20032 with a little bity spoon. nenders@my-deja.com wrote: > > First of all, I now nothing about beekeeping. > But I have always been curious as to how Royal > Jelly is collected. I have been told that it is > the stuff that the bees feed the queen. But how > to we get it? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Aug 5 11:25:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Don't Make My Mistake !! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Aug 1999 12:08:46 GMT References: <7o8bn6$jns$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990804080846.10602.00004827@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20033 I seem to learn the most from my mistakes too. All the more reason to start beginners off with 2 hives. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:15:06 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-61.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933765113 49626 209.130.165.61 (4 Aug 1999 11:11:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 1999 11:11:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20034 Supposedly relieves MS conditions, too! Requires MANY controlled stings in the back, arms and legs. --Busybee David wrote in message ... >I recently heard that bee stings can help with arthritis symptoms. Does >anyone know why this works and if they have any other healing effects? > > From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:13:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7o95cc$t3o$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p1.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20035 "David" wrote: >I recently heard that bee stings can help with arthritis symptoms. Does >anyone know why this works and if they have any other healing effects? Check out www.beesting.com Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From shuston@riverace.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe some success Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 10:06:48 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 17 Message-ID: <37A848F8.9F16C5A7@riverace.com> References: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: jQDQSh6JUvDOzGHZ0AOgbcozeaPBRCjtvmnyc9vziSA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 1999 14:06:51 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20036 Thanks for the note Laura - it's always good to hear of success! I also want to thank folks on the group for advice - I had the hive with the short, stubby wings and apparantly no Varroa. Weird... anyway, after listening for a while (and not overreacting as my beginner instincts were screaming ;-) I waited them out, and Kevin's advice ringing in my head (feed, feed, feed!) that hive is looking a lot stronger. Thanks! -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From flanders@probe.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: flanders@probe.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what kind of flowers? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:00:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7o9h1m$d7t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7o7dn7$nnh$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.157.91 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 04 14:00:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.154.157.91 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDnemaha Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20037 In article <7o7dn7$nnh$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, "Dennis Crutchfield" wrote: > I want to thank you guys for the info (snip)...I may try to find a late or fall flowering type... I, too, have been enjoying the replies to your request. Good info. If I could add anything, it would be change the singular "type" to the plural "types." Don't put all your eggs in one basket. I was convinced Agastache Foeniculum was just the thing for my bees and learned, after they had sprouted about 4 inches, that the local deer population thought I had planted the A.F. for them. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beqcan@caribsurf.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!Pollux.Teleglobe.net!col3.caribsurf.com!not-for-mail From: "newsbox" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax melter Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:40:33 -0300 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7o1ooo$6kv1@col3.caribsurf.com> References: <19990801002657.10822.00000486@ng-bd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.214.205.134 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20038 Plans for Solar Wax Melters, Extractors, Hives, Bee Vacs and much more are available at Barry Birkey's web site: www.birkey.com This is his home page - there you will find a link to his bee pages - click on "Who We Are". Good Luck Bob in Bequia JPA555 wrote in message <19990801002657.10822.00000486@ng-bd1.aol.com>... >Do they Have a Web site?? From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How is Royal Jelly collected? Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:44:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7oa8i4$18ni$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-40.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933799300 41714 209.130.165.40 (4 Aug 1999 20:41:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 1999 20:41:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20039 >From The Hive and The Honeybee - "Royal jelly is usually produced in colonies maintained for that purpose. The queen is removed and a frame containing artificial queen cells, each with a 12-36 hour worker larva is inserted. Three days later the frame is removed, the larvae discarded, and the roayl jelly collected either with a wooden spoon or a soft suction tube. A good queen cup will yield about 200-300 mg of royal jelly. Once collected the royal jelly can be sotred in a tight container in the refrigerator for several months, frozen, or freeze dried until used." daa daa daa... "The largest producers of royal jelly are the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans." Wanna know about bee brood ;-) ? --Busybee nenders@my-deja.com wrote in message <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >First of all, I now nothing about beekeeping. >But I have always been curious as to how Royal >Jelly is collected. I have been told that it is >the stuff that the bees feed the queen. But how >to we get it? > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From nospam@btinternet.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: nospam@btinternet.com (Little Steve) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:40:40 GMT Organization: BT Internet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-6-24-156.btinternet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20040 I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? Cheers in advance Little Steve From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:45 EDT 1999 Article: 20041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 23:52:38 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7oalc2$7uu$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20041 nospam@btinternet.com (Little Steve) wrote: >I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. >I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because >so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap >under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. >We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont >actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or >something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the >roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in >there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as >we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. >Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? >Cheers in advance >Little Steve Close the opening? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:46 EDT 1999 Article: 20042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:15:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7oal2t$909$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.107 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 05 00:15:33 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.107 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20042 (Little Steve) wrote: > > I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. > > I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because > so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap > under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. > > We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont > actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or > something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the > roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in > there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as > we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. > > Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? > > Cheers in advance > > Little Steve > ---------------------------------------- Hi, Little Steve -- Sounds like you have either Yellow Jackets (a type of wasp) or Bumble Bees. Honey bees are not likely to live under a floor. Knock down a couple of them with a fly swatter and take to a beekeper or County Agent, etc. for identification. If they are really a bother and are not honey bees, you may have to set off an insecticide fogger (the kind you fog rooms for roaches or fleas) in the area to let the fog go to the nest. Good Luck Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:02:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20043 "busybee" wrote: >Supposedly relieves MS conditions, too! Requires MANY controlled stings in >the back, arms and legs. >--Busybee I ship small boxes of bees for MS treatments. 15,000 boxes last year, this year is a little slower. I think everyone is trying a new drug at the moment. They will be back in a couple of months. I doubt they will ever find a cure for MS. There is far more profit in treating a disease than in curing it and they haven't cured anything since polio. I figure I hold the world record for the number of stings by my bees. Probably around 3,500,000 or more. There isn't much profit in Arthritus as after two or three boxes the patient is pretty much cured. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From klam@inforamp.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:47 EDT 1999 Article: 20044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:32:39 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.228.127 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933816761 137.186.228.127 (Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:32:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:32:41 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20044 I'd leave them alone, if you don't bug them they wont bother you. They are much too useful to destroy, if you have a garden (particularly a vegetable garden). John Allen Little Steve wrote in message news:37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com... > > I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. > > I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because > so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap > under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. > > We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont > actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or > something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the > roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in > there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as > we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. > > Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? > > Cheers in advance > > Little Steve From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:48 EDT 1999 Article: 20045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:57:55 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7oaqt2$1j58$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-33.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933818082 52392 209.130.165.33 (5 Aug 1999 01:54:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 1999 01:54:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20045 WOWZIE! (stings curing arthritis) Does that work on rhumatoid (sp) arthritis? I have a friend who is almost crippled with arthritis...takes gold shots...has had both hips and knees replaced and she is only 40! If you don't mind me asking...Are the first stings given in the Dr.'s office? How does that work? --Busybee honeybs wrote in message <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net>... >"busybee" wrote: > >>Supposedly relieves MS conditions, too! Requires MANY controlled stings in >>the back, arms and legs. > >>--Busybee > >I ship small boxes of bees for MS treatments. 15,000 boxes >last year, this year is a little slower. I think everyone >is trying a new drug at the moment. They will be back in a >couple of months. I doubt they will ever find a cure for >MS. There is far more profit in treating a disease than in >curing it and they haven't cured anything since polio. > >I figure I hold the world record for the number of stings by >my bees. Probably around 3,500,000 or more. > >There isn't much profit in Arthritus as after two or three >boxes the patient is pretty much cured. > >Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > From beeman@kingston.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe some success Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:58:02 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 6 Message-ID: <37A8EFAA.1211D745@kingston.net> References: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20046 Hi Laura, Good for you!! Its a great learning experience. But what colour is off colour, is it beige? ;-) Kent From jrmars@tricon.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:49 EDT 1999 Article: 20047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe some success From: you@somehost.somedomain (John) Reply-To: jrmars@tricon.net Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 58 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.71.95 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 933818835 216.98.71.95 (Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:07:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:07:15 EDT Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 02:07:15 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20047 Sooner or later you'll put that viel on. John R. In article <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com>, lauramleek@aol.com says... > >Well today is the day! I now know that I am learning SOMETHING from this board >and it isn't just off-colored jokes and sexism :-) > In April I purchased four packages and installed them in four seperate >hives. They are all in various stages of developement but one in particular I >would like to share with ya'll because it is really yous guys who have saved >this hive and built it up. > It actually is two packages. Both of them had mites and by looking the >drone brood is how I diagnosed this problem Thank You #1 I installed apistan >strips and all was well, or so I thought. They both ended up swarming. Plenty >of room, good temp., not because of mites or me looking in too often. I still >have no idea of why they swarmed except genetics. Anyway, both packages were >small and struggling. I decided to combine the two. Thank You #2, I used the >newspaper method. One was queenless and the other had brood and a queen. I put >the one with the queen on top of the queenless one with newspaper in between. >OK figured I'd just let them do their thing for awhile. OH Sh--! was supposed >to put the queen on the BOTTOM! (3 days later) Thank You #3. Go back out to the >apiary (is it still an apiary with just one hive?) and reverse the brood boxes >Thank You #4. Today I checked on them again just to see. I had let them alone >for about three weeks. KEWL! Both boxes are full of honey and this hive is >THRIVING. I threw two westerns on it. Oh ya. NO gloves, NO beesuit, and NO >veil. I did smoke them down so I wouldn't have to scrape the squishes next >time. Fireweed and blackberries are in bloom so we will see if I can steal a >frame of honey this year. > >I know this is long but I just want to let eveyone know that talking until you >are blue in the face is not for naught. > >Laura > From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:50 EDT 1999 Article: 20048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990803225744.01144.00002503@ng-fc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Maybe some success Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:46:42 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 933814556 24.93.149.35 (Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:55:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:55:56 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20048 Way to go! Sounds like you're having fun . From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:51 EDT 1999 Article: 20049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe some success Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Aug 1999 03:25:54 GMT References: <37A8EFAA.1211D745@kingston.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990804232554.07071.00006970@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20049 Actually this board turns a light blue time to time. Laura From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:51 EDT 1999 Article: 20050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maybe some success Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Aug 1999 03:26:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990804232654.07071.00006971@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20050 Don't worry, veil is close by just in case. I check their temperment and adjust as needed. Laura From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:52 EDT 1999 Article: 20051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 03:31:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ob0j0$gu9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.94 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 05 03:31:44 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.94 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20051 Keep in mind they are still well-fed...that makesa BIG difference. > Also - it helps that they are a gentle bee stock to begin with. > > --Busybee --------------------------------------------------------- Thanks, BusyBee -- I have never been involved in migratory, but I find your explanation good, helpful, and interesting. Pete So much to learn -- so little time !! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ccooke@mts.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:53 EDT 1999 Article: 20052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.200.16.76!news-in.mts.net!news1.mts.net!not-for-mail From: "Cynthia" Subject: Question about plastics and glues Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bedef5$dd0e2c80$4a3bc8cd@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 20 Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 03:51:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.200.59.74 X-Complaints-To: admin@mts.net X-Trace: news1.mts.net 933825114 205.200.59.74 (Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:51:54 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:51:54 CDT Organization: MTS Internet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20052 I received the following question on our email helpline. If anyone can send me the answer I would appreciate it or provide help finding the info. Cynthia "My father keeps bees and wants to make a straining device out of plastic. He has helped in my sign shop glueing and cutting plastic. He wants to use sign clear plastic 3/16" and glue it with Resin Bond (methyl hydrate). Is this ok or is the glue and or plastic not safe for food? Anyone know anything about this topic, or any glue that is safe or approved for this use? Thanks," ===================================================== Cynthia Cooke Food Manufacturing Forum International site for Food SME's http://www.mts.net/~ccooke/food/index.html Editors top 50 links for Small Businesses in Food and Beverage Industry[annotated] ====================================================== From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:37:53 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 40 Message-ID: <37A90711.5895@midwest.net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20053 Little Steve wrote: > > I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. > > I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because > so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap > under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. > > We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont > actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or > something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the > roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in > there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as > we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. > > Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? > > Cheers in advance > > Little Steve In the interest of a controlled scientific approach to a solution, I suggest we start by eliminating possible items of interest to them. First, the homebrew - I'll email you my shipping address where you can send *all* the homebrew for safe keeping. Be sure to leave any sugar that is present - remember we are removing only one thing at a time, its part of the controlled experiment. Then in about..say 1 month, you report back on the status of the bees, or whatever they are. If they are still there, then remove the sugar and send it to me. Provided you run a proper homebrew operation, there should be enough sugar for priming & bottling. After another 2 weeks or so, if the bees are still there I'd vote for the fogger option - and of course, I'll return all containers, cleaned & sanitized. AL From lithar@midwest.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:54 EDT 1999 Article: 20054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject) Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:27:32 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 28 Message-ID: <37A920C4.33E2@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20054 Thought you all might enjoy this one. AL http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/20438.html The Y2K Buzz -- Literally Wired News Report 3:00 a.m. 28.Jun.99.PDT Survivalists packing up food to wait out possible Y2K food shortages are putting honey at the top of their supply lists, sending sales of the virtually nonperishable sweetener through the roof. "There are a lot of people out there who believe we're going back to the Stone Age," said beekeeper and honey-seller Randy Oliver, who runs Randy Oliver Apiaries. "They're buying their honey now because they think they're going to have to survive on these supplies for a long time." From texasdrone@cs.com Thu Aug 5 11:25:55 EDT 1999 Article: 20055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.cs.com!audrey03.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.com (TexasDrone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 05 Aug 1999 10:29:58 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990805062958.21499.00003513@ngol04.news.cs.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20055 The reason people believe that bee stings will help with arthritus is that bee stings make the body produce cortisone in the inflamed area. Arthritus patients are giving cortisone shots to ease their pain. I know a Beekeeper in the business for 20 years and has arthritus everywhere....so No it is not a cure but a natural pain killer for arthritus. But as for me I'd just get the shot...works a whole lot better. From allend@internode.net Thu Aug 5 11:25:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: temperment of bees Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:18:01 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <000101bedf2b$cc157a60$02000003@allend> References: <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _iMZ437TTH6YF/3OR+NVZQw= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20056 > When moving our bees--it gets to be quite an ordeal for them. > They get on the ornery side if you are setting them down in areas where > their is little forage... I can't say that we see much, if any long term effect on temper from moving. As the quoted writer says here, other normal factors that affect temper will account for any problems. As we have noted here before, bees just tend to be a lot more vicious in some localities than others. So, if you happen to move to a place where all bees act nasty, that is the reason, not the move. One thing I do notice, though, is that on a move where the bees are unloaded in daytime after being netted, the bees are pretty vicious at first when the net comes off. The worst ones are up at the top of the load, having run up the net en route. We notice that if we do not net them, there is much better temper. I ascribe this to losing the nastiest bees somewhere along the way. This is not to say we lose many bees (we monitor this closely), but I think those with a real grudge just bail out along the way, day or night. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Aug 5 19:52:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire ends honey business Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:43:00 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20057 Should read 3 weeks from publication. From rwnelson@cableone.net Thu Aug 5 19:52:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Bob Nelson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fire ends honey business Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:33:43 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20058 Keep these fine folks in your thoughts. They're good people and offered a truly fine product. Access to this story is limited to 2 weeks from date of publication, July 29, 1999. http://omaha.com/Omaha/OWH/StoryViewer/1,3153,194159,00.html From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Thu Aug 5 19:52:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey super in middle of hive Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:26:41 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 17 Message-ID: <37A9BB41.19825AE3@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20059 Greetings, I am a beginning beekeeper (my father was a beekeeper when I was young), getting back into the business. I purchased two nucs along w/ 4 brood boxes with mostly drawn out frames. Both hives are doing very well. A few weeks back, i put a honey super on each hive with 9 frames, completely undrawn. (I know, I got a late start...i'm not planning on harvesting any honey this year.). My question is this: Should I move the honey super into the middle of the hive to 'encourage' the bees to work it? Also, would anyone recommending putting a small hole in the front of any of the boxes? Right now,the only entry/exit is at the bottom. thanks, Mark Veltman From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Thu Aug 5 19:52:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: old hives. Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:29:55 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37A9BC03.AFAA0D3D@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20060 I have available several hives that have been sitting empty for years in a friends abandoned field. I believe the previous beekeepers bees died (whether mites, or winter, i don't know). Are there any suggested salvage procedures? thankyou, Mark Veltman From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Thu Aug 5 19:52:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:06:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-112.copper.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933876435 15136 62.136.14.112 (5 Aug 1999 18:07:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 1999 18:07:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20061 Little Steve wrote in message news:37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com... > > I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. > > I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because > so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap > under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. > > We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont > actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or > something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the > roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in > there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as > we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. > > Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? > > Cheers in advance > > Little Steve they are almost certainly semi-social bees such as bumble bees. They will not be there much longer. They do no harm, they are lovely, useful creatures. Please don't try to get rid of them. If you are in UK the council will not kill them, they are protected. Mary From klam@inforamp.net Thu Aug 5 19:52:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:16:08 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.225.165 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933876969 137.186.225.165 (Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:16:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:16:09 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20062 As an ex-Briton, I a amazed that the British Gov't is smart enough to protect bees. For once they actually got it right. John A Mary Fisher wrote in message news:7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Little Steve wrote in message > news:37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com... > > > > I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. > > > > I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because > > so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap > > under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. > > > > We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont > > actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or > > something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the > > roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in > > there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as > > we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. > > > > Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? > > > > Cheers in advance > > > > Little Steve > > they are almost certainly semi-social bees such as bumble bees. They will > not be there much longer. They do no harm, they are lovely, useful > creatures. Please don't try to get rid of them. If you are in UK the council > will not kill them, they are protected. > > Mary > > From jmitc1014@aol.com Thu Aug 5 19:52:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey super in middle of hive Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Aug 1999 19:33:33 GMT References: <37A9BB41.19825AE3@lambton.on.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990805153333.21715.00007160@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20063 I have drilled holes in the front of my boxes, thinking they would provide closer entry to the supers higher up, but the great majority of the foragers stubbornly continue to use only the bottom entrance. It's only on my largest colony (60,000+) that I notice a small but appreciable number of bees using these holes. I've read repeatedly, in this NG and elsewhere, that the holes in the supers do help with ventilation of the hive. The concern that some have though is that these holes can also provide entry to wax moths. These same beekeepers advocate screening the vent holes to prevent wax moth invasion. I've taken this advice to heart and screened the vent holes on hives that don't seem to use them. However, I read recently that wax moths don't actually need to go into a hive to lay eggs; they often lay them in cracks and crevices in hive furniture with the larvae crawling to the wax after hatching. My question is this -- do screens over vent holes provide any protection against wax moth eggs and larvae? John From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 5 19:52:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:19:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <7obq2v$bqn$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> <7oaqt2$1j58$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20064 "busybee" wrote: >WOWZIE! (stings curing arthritis) >Does that work on rhumatoid (sp) arthritis? I have a friend who is almost >crippled with arthritis...takes gold shots...has had both hips and knees >replaced and she is only 40! Christ, Jim, I'm', a beekeeper not a doctor! Seriously I can't say. I have a bone spur in my shoulder and 3 bee stings a week apart took care of it. I cheated the doctor out of at least a couple of car payments. I have heard from many of my customers with MS that also have arthritus. They get the use of their hands back after a couple of weeks. Beesting therapy for MS isn't an instant cure. It takes a lot of stings over a long period of time. A lot of people take a few stings and claim it doesn't work. You have to do it for at least 6 months. The ones that really get me are the ones that can't feel the stings at first and then quit because they become too painful as the nerves repair themselves. >If you don't mind me asking...Are the first stings given in the Dr.'s >office? How does that work? Some are but most Dr.'s won't. Most people start out at an apitherapist. After a few sessions they, and a partner, do their own stinging. I can't say that I know anyone down south where you are. The American Apitherapy Society may be helpful. They are at www.beesting.com. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From n1vxs@juno.com Thu Aug 5 19:52:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37A9C8DE.E8EC1BA@juno.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:24:47 -0400 From: hdc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings References: <19990805062958.21499.00003513@ngol04.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.178.41.16 X-Trace: 5 Aug 1999 13:25:19 -0500, 204.178.41.16 Lines: 13 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!novia!uunet!chi.uu.net!alognews.analogic.com!204.178.41.16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20065 Please be careful of cortisone shots. Discuss them with your physician and understand that they can have some very nasty side effects, such as joint degeneration(AVN). TexasDrone wrote: > The reason people believe that bee stings will help with arthritus is that bee > stings make the body produce cortisone in the inflamed area. Arthritus patients > are giving cortisone shots to ease their pain. I know a Beekeeper in the > business for 20 years and has arthritus everywhere....so No it is not a cure > but a natural pain killer for arthritus. But as for me I'd just get the > shot...works a whole lot better. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 6 13:43:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed-old.nacamar.de.MISMATCH!newsfeed.nacamar.de!newsfeed.nacamar.de!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:48:41 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-126.rhodium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 933889527 27690 62.136.22.126 (5 Aug 1999 21:45:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 1999 21:45:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20066 A sensible answer, Mary, except that I am not sure about the protection - can you give details of the relevant law? Do leave them - it is most unusual for anyone to be stung by bumble bees and they do a great deal of good. They will probably be gone by the end of September, but in the meantime are producing queens that will ensure that we have some next year. It is such a pity that so many people's first thoughts are "how can I destroy?". Mary Fisher wrote in message <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >Little Steve wrote in message >news:37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com... >> >> I have a question about bees and this seems to be the place to ask it. >> >> I have a shed at the bottom of the garden and can not go there because >> so many bees are flying under the shed. There is only a 2-3 inch gap >> under the shed but for some reason they are flying in and out. >> >> We have had the coucil out 4 times now and nothing has worked (I dont >> actually know what he tried though I think he tried some poison or >> something which didnt do much). He did destroy a wasps nest in the >> roof of the shed but the bees wont have it! We do keep homebrew in >> there and thought maybe it was the sugar atracting them but so far as >> we can tell there is none spilled on the floor. >> >> Any sugestions to encourage them not to go there? >> >> Cheers in advance >> >> Little Steve > >they are almost certainly semi-social bees such as bumble bees. They will >not be there much longer. They do no harm, they are lovely, useful >creatures. Please don't try to get rid of them. If you are in UK the council >will not kill them, they are protected. > >Mary > > From jcrocket@alltel.net Fri Aug 6 13:43:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.central.agis.net!agis!news1.alltel.net!not-for-mail From: James Lindstrom Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Patchouli Oil for Varroa? Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:57:44 -0400 Organization: ALLTEL Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <37AA24F8.2E12C4AD@nospam.alltel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wapa3pp05.alltel.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.alltel.net 933897468 12555 166.102.114.70 (5 Aug 1999 23:57:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@client.alltel.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Aug 1999 23:57:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20067 Hello all-- Bumped into another local beekeeper the other day. Were talking the usual: mites, mites, and mites, and a little bit about mites. This guy and the others in his local group are using Patchouli Oil as part of their regimen against varroa. Not in lieu of Apistan, but in addition to. Sounded interesting. Anyone else out there know about this? Jim Lindstrom Oak Forest, PA remove nospam to reply From honeybs@radix.net Fri Aug 6 13:43:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 01:17:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7oden5$o61$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p42.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20068 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >A sensible answer, Mary, except that I am not sure about the protection - >can you give details of the relevant law? >Do leave them - it is most unusual for anyone to be stung by bumble bees and >they do a great deal of good. They will probably be gone by the end of >September, but in the meantime are producing queens that will ensure that we >have some next year. >It is such a pity that so many people's first thoughts are "how can I >destroy?". I don't know much about british bumble bees but over here in the US we have some pretty mean ones. It depends on the spiecies. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From harper@ktc.com Fri Aug 6 13:43:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 22:14:19 -0500 From: Karen & Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lazy bees? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.163.199.47 Lines: 4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news2.fibr.net!207.71.36.3!209.163.199.47 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20069 This is my first season keeping bees. I had ordered a package and hived them. They promptly built comb in the brood boxes, but refuse to build any on any other supers added. Does anybody know how to encourage comb building? From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Aug 6 13:43:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 03:34:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7odl3g$dua$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.97 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 06 03:34:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.97 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20070 "busybee" wrote: > Hi all- > Keep in mind they are still well-fed...that makes a BIG difference. --------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, BB -- How do you keep them well fed? Division board or some type of super feeder on top? Pete So much to learn - So little time ! --------------------------------------------------------------- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From riverockt@aol.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lame Queen Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Aug 1999 03:48:24 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990805234824.09825.00000013@ng-bh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20071 I have one hive I started form package bees this past spring. I checked it several days ago and there are very few larve or capped cells. The few that exist are spaced far apart. The colony is very weak. Does anyone have any suggestions for this late in the year. I'm in south east Virginia. Usually there is about another two months of good weather. From lauramleek@aol.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy bees? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Aug 1999 05:13:06 GMT References: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990806011306.09211.00007709@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20072 Have you tried "priming" the comb with sugar water? If your boxes are of like sizes, you can swap a frame of foundation with a frame of comb from the brood box. Just make sure their isn't brood in the frame, just honey or nectar. FEED!! ( I'm assuming you will not be pulling excess honey from this hive) I'm new also, so that is all I know :-) Laura From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy bees? Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 06:05:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7odu02$jq2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.95 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 06 06:05:58 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.95 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20073 Karen & Kevin wrote: > This is my first season keeping bees. I had ordered a package and hived them. They promptly built comb in the brood boxes, but refuse to build any on any other supers added. Does anybody know how to encourage comb building? --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi K&K -- Just remember that bees build comb only to meet a need. They will not build comb unless nectar is coming in. It can be nectar from the fields or sugar syrup you feed them. Sounds like you do not have a honey flow on now, so if you want them to build comb it will be necessary to feed them all they will take. The heat here in east Texas has them slowed down too. They are slowed down in taking syrup. They seem to know it is getting toward the end of the active season and are also slowing down on raising new bees. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From preacherc@cvalley.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!cyclone.i1.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question on queen introduction Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 05:40:15 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7oedsu$gv1$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-5.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 933935838 17377 208.232.214.5 (6 Aug 1999 10:37:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 10:37:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20074 I have a queenless hive, and a young queen with young brood and bees. When combining the two, do you put the queen on the bottom or on top of the hive. I will be using the newspaper method of introduction. preacher From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy bees? Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 05:33:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7oedg8$os8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-24.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933935432 25480 209.130.165.24 (6 Aug 1999 10:30:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 10:30:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20075 Hello - What type of nectar do the bees in your area usually forage on? ( I.E. Gallberry, clover, basswood?) When does this nectar usually "flow"? Is that the type of honey you are after? The point I'm trying to make is...that I agree with the other responses that feeding sugar syrup is what you have to do to build comb. However, usually a beekeepers main objective is to make honey NOT to be feeding during a time when you would expect the bees to be on a flow. (For the record - I'm from MN, winter in the deep south, commercial just shy of 2000 colonies). I'm assuming VA has a long growing season and I do not have experience in keeping bees in those conditions. My experiences and conditions are that our bees only collect nectar from two major flow times. The first is a two week period in July. First round extracting is done to separate basswood/clover honey. The supers are put back out on the bees for a second fill with "fall" honey. I know that just prior to the July flow, that is the time you need to have honey supers and any undrawn foundation on the hive...any other time would be a waste of time and bee energy. Any feeding that we do comes after we've extracted surplus honey. Going into winter (MN)--if the bees are staying in this frigid weather (Nov - April) they will need AT LEAST 60-75 pounds of feed, wether it be corn syrup or honey. They will need to be checked again in January and if they are low on feed again at that time, and due to the difficulty to feed syrup in sub-zero temps they will be given plain sugar. They eat alot of honey to keep warm and winters here are extremely hard on them. Only in recent years have we changed our wintering habits. We migrate south >from Nov. to May now. We do our -heavy- feeding (60 pounds or so) in Nov. During that time in the "tropical" conditions of the deep south, there is a natural flow of nectar where they can forage...we do not harvest any of that honey because usually it is still not enough feed for them because there is a great chance we will be feeding them -heavily- in March. We hate to do it because of expense and we are hoping they will begin to find natural nectars to keep going. However this is a crucial time as we are building the colonies to be their strongest. We make up our nucs and requeen so if feeding the bees at this time is necessary - then we must. This feeding step can either make or break a hive. We cannot afford to have weak colonies. After the 1200 mile trip back to Southern MN in May (just in time for dandelion bloom). Sometimes the weather does not cooperate and dandelions do not yield as was the case this year (too cold and wet) we may end up feeding again. But this now ends the substitute feeding! The hive will either make it or it doesn't! We cannot risk corn syrup in the hives come the end of June. The strong hives are doing well - we've had a number of "fold-overs" but all in all we will end up with a decent crop. There are marked seasons for us...we need to figure those times out and make it work for us! IMO, there are no lazy bees. If you provide for them what they need they will provide for you what you need. That is the art of beekeeping. --Busybee Karen & Kevin wrote in message <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com>... >This is my first season keeping bees. I had ordered a package and hived >them. They promptly built comb in the brood boxes, but refuse to build >any on any other supers added. Does anybody know how to encourage comb >building? From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 05:57:54 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7oeetb$1lei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7nvmuc$351$1@einstein.greenhills.net> <7o98kj$1a0q$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7odl3g$dua$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-24.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 933936875 54738 209.130.165.24 (6 Aug 1999 10:54:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 10:54:35 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20076 We use a frame feeder in the brood chamber. It stays in year round...although we "lose" a brood frame, it is easy to feed if they are starving and need feed fast! (Wintering doubles on migratory pallets/4 hives per pallet) First person goes ahead and sets the top hive (the frame feeder width) to expose only the feeder. -- -- -- -- in this fashion. The second person pumps (long hose, gas dispensing type nozzle and an Briggs and Stratton pump) syrup into each frame feeder. The yard is set up in either one of two ways: either one long row or two shorter rows that are set apart that our truck can drive between them. The first person then comes back to close the hive again. We have a system that makes it a quick and not-to- difficult task. The first "going into winter" feeding is kinda-sorta fun actually... any additional feedings after that is NOT fun. --Busybee Pete wrote in message <7odl3g$dua$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > > > "busybee" wrote: >> Hi all- >> Keep in mind they are still well-fed...that makes a BIG difference. >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Hi, BB -- How do you keep them well fed? Division board or some type of >super feeder on top? > > Pete >So much to learn - So little time ! >--------------------------------------------------------------- > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beeman@kingston.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lame Queen Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:26:37 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <37AAE28D.18899787@kingston.net> References: <19990805234824.09825.00000013@ng-bh1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20077 Did you check to see if there was a queen? Do you have any honey flow on or coming? Is there any sign of disease? What is your interpretation of weak (i.e.. how many frames are covered by bees)? What type of brood is it (worker or drone)? Here in South Eastern Ontario most of my hives have eased off the heavy laying. Looking in the top box there is few signs of brood. The bees will use this space for winter food. There is only one good flow left before fall so there is no need off a massive hive like in May June. Kent From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lame Queen Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Aug 1999 09:23:45 GMT References: <19990805234824.09825.00000013@ng-bh1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990806052345.01146.00003639@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20078 >I checked it >several days ago and there are very few larve or capped cells. The few that >exist are spaced far apart. The colony is very weak. Does anyone have any >suggestions for this late in the year. I'm in south east Virginia. Usually >there is about another two months of good weather. how much honey / food stores ? did you see the queen ? drought situation where you are ? how many frames covered with bees ? how have they looked up till now ? gimmie these answers and maybe we can help . Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy bees? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Aug 1999 09:26:04 GMT References: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990806052604.01146.00003640@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20079 >Does anybody know how to encourage comb >building? > FEED, FEED, FEED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From adamf@radix.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question on queen introduction Date: 6 Aug 1999 06:58:58 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7oe13i$2bv$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7oedsu$gv1$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20080 In article <7oedsu$gv1$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, Dennis Crutchfield wrote: >I have a queenless hive, and a young queen with young brood and bees. When >combining the two, do you put the queen on the bottom or on top of the hive. >I will be using the newspaper method of introduction. Good question! I'd put the queen and brood over the old bees. This way, the flying bees (the oldest and potentially most aggressive to the new queen) are not contacting the new bees. If you put the old hive on top, the flyers would have to chew through the paper first--this *might* allow them time to become accustomed to the new bees, but then again it might not. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Fri Aug 6 13:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lame Queen Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:08:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7oedqp$pt7$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990805234824.09825.00000013@ng-bh1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20081 riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) wrote: >I have one hive I started form package bees this past spring. I checked it >several days ago and there are very few larve or capped cells. The few that >exist are spaced far apart. The colony is very weak. Does anyone have any >suggestions for this late in the year. I'm in south east Virginia. Usually >there is about another two months of good weather. Could be foulbrood. Call your bee inspector or send a sample to the USDA bee lab in Beltsville, Md. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees in trees Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:35:40 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7oevcc$1uc2$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7o8alj$j71$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 933953740 000 192.168.254.73 (6 Aug 1999 15:35:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:35:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20082 Hi Damon -- >Good for you. Good experience. this late in the season will mean that >you need to feed them sugar syrup like crazy to let them store up enough >honey for winter. > >Next spring you need to trap a colony out of a wall to get some more >valuable experience. > > Pete +++++++++++ pete, how many lbs of sugar would you need to feed a colony enough to help it survive? 20? 25? From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: y2k effect on beekeeping Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:49:09 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7of05l$4igg$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <19990729115425.13703.00002084@ngol03.aol.com> <37a24234.41a3ac41@azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 933954549 000 192.168.254.73 (6 Aug 1999 15:49:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:49:09 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20083 in the book Preparing for the basics of something like that, the author gives a big emphasis on aquiring bee products. i only have one hive and it seems healthy, so i am trying to buy enough equipment and medication to last me thru the year 2000, ie an extra equipment for another colony and the spring/fall medication. folks dont seem to understand the high chances for recession/depression we have in the coming months, y2k or not. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Fri Aug 6 13:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:59:13 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7of0oh$3lf6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7n838n$80b$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7nhfo3$j13$1@gxsn.com> <7nir7j$ric$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 933955153 000 192.168.254.73 (6 Aug 1999 15:59:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:59:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20084 i am looking at the subject title, and the posts so far dont match. seeing all the problems, its sounds neither easy or foolproof. glad i had help doing mine. i appreciate seeing all the different situations occurring. From klam@inforamp.net Sun Aug 8 04:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: thinking of starting Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:43:20 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.224.78 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 933957801 137.186.224.78 (Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:43:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:43:21 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20085 Hi everyone, I live in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. What area of land does one need to set up as a bee keeper? Can it be done in a town? Should it? What sort of cost are involved? -- John Allen KLaM Custom Software for Small Business mailto: admin@klamsystems.com From adamf@radix.net Sun Aug 8 04:50:56 EDT 1999 Article: 20086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening....Easy & Foolproof Date: 6 Aug 1999 12:52:39 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7oelqn$3fi$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7njs8b$a3j$1@gxsn.com> <7o54ej$d01$1@gxsn.com> <7of0oh$3lf6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p26.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20086 In article <7of0oh$3lf6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, Shelley Corbin wrote: >i appreciate seeing all the different situations occurring. > That's a beekeeping reality! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From mbelluso@megsinet.com Sun Aug 8 04:50:57 EDT 1999 Article: 20087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!netnews.com!news.corecomm.net!not-for-mail From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Catch The Buzz Article Lines: 71 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:03:29 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.214.205.69 X-Trace: news.corecomm.net 933959632 216.214.205.69 (Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:13:52 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:13:52 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20087 I thought this article might be of some interest to the ng. Bernard's Apiaries, Inc. 318-228-7535 1025 Bernard Street Henderson, LA 70517 Bee Culture, The Magazine Of American Beekeeping, is sponsoring this message. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The Buzz Is Back, and the News is GOOD! After a week and a half away at the annual EAS meeting and getting ready for the local county fair (150,000 visitors), the Buzz is Back. The following message should be good news for all concerned. Breeder Readies Russian Honey Bees for American Hives Agricultural Research Service, USDA Hardy Russian honey bees that resist attack by devastating varroa mites will begin showing up in American beehives within a year, thanks to scientists in Louisiana with the Agricultural Research Service, USDA's chief research wing. The Russian bees' genetic resistance will provide beekeepers with a tool--in addition to chemical pesticides--to control the mites. Varroa mites--eight-legged parasites--are among the worst enemies of honey bees worldwide. In the U.S., the mites have attacked bees in almost every state. Though only about one- sixteenth-inch in size, they can destroy a hive of tens of thousands of bees in as little as 6 months. The mites have also eliminated most of North America's wild honey bees. Under a Cooperative Research and Development Agreement signed this week by ARS and Bernard's Apiaries, Inc., Breaux Bridge, La., bee breeder Steven J. Bernard is authorized to raise hundreds of Russian honey bee queens this fall and winter. The bees will be available for sale to U.S. beekeepers early next year. The beekeepers will use the queens to produce more queens for populating hives with mite-resistant offspring. These offspring will be fathered by male bees, known as drones, from the American hives. Compared to domestic honey bees, the Russian bees are more than twice as resistant to attack by varroa mites, according to tests by geneticist Thomas E. Rinderer and colleagues at ARS' Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Research Unit in Baton Rouge, La. The domestic honey bee and the Russian honey bee are the same species, Apis mellifera. But the Russian bees have had to develop resistance to survive in their homeland, the mite-infested Primorsky region of far eastern Russia. Rinderer studied the bees there, then imported them under a federal permit. He said it is likely that wild--as well as domesticated--honey bees in the U.S. will eventually have Russian honey bee parentage. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kim Flottum Editor, Bee Culture Magazine http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm For an archive Catch the Buzz postings, visit: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/buzz/index.html To unsubscribe to this emailing, simply goto: http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/buzz/unsubscribe.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * mbelluso@megsinet.com From allend@internode.net Sun Aug 8 04:50:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: temperment of bees Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:10:32 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <000201bee02e$97166fa0$02000003@allend> References: <7oeetb$1lei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <7oeetb$1lei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-DejaID: _/hTaF8af+B+9Fw7cia0xyw= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20088 > We use a frame feeder in the brood chamber. It stays > in year round...although we "lose" a brood frame, it > is easy to feed if they are starving and need feed fast! > ... in this fashion. The second person pumps (long > hose, gas dispensing type nozzle and an Briggs and > Stratton pump) syrup into each frame feeder. Us too, with some minor differences. Pictures are at my website below. Choose "Feeding Bees" from the index. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beeman@kingston.net Sun Aug 8 04:50:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question on queen introduction Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:36:11 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37AB1D0B.30779634@kingston.net> References: <7oedsu$gv1$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20089 I put the queen on the bottom. Kent From ksreed@earthlink.net Sun Aug 8 04:50:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: Kevin Reed Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology.misc,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lerp psyllids and honeybees Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:23:09 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 6 Aug 1999 17:26:21 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Aug 6 10:35:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: ksreed@earthlink.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pool141-cvx.ds46-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net Message-ID: <37AB19FD.F684784D@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology.misc:9453 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20090 Like many folks in Southern California, I am suffering an infestation of Australian red gum lerp psyllids in my eucalyptus trees. I'm tossing lady bugs at the problem and hoping for the best. I'm wondering whether anyone has thoughts on the interaction between these psyllids and honeybees. I have three hives I keep as a hobbyist. In recent mornings, I have noticed yellow jackets and (I believe) honeybees working the infected eucalyptus. I suspect they are working the sticky honeydew the psyllids sucrete. Has anyone else observed this phenomenon? Is there any cause for concern regarding the quality (and safety) of my honey, assuming my bees are feeding on this honeydew? Any Australian entomologist/ apiarists ever deal with this issue? I know that these psyllids have been here only about a year. From Dr.Lecter@btinternet.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Dr.Lecter@btinternet.com (Little Steve) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:50:19 GMT Organization: BT Internet Message-ID: <37aa18b9.49668650@news.btinternet.com> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.27.80 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20091 >I'd leave them alone, if you don't bug them they wont bother you. They are >much too useful to destroy, if you have a garden (particularly a vegetable >garden). We dont have vegetables but do have a lot of flowers and plants but they completely ignore them. Whatever it is they are after it is under the shed. We would leave them alone (indeed have had to since we dont know what to do) but there are quiet a lot of them, its a small garden and they tend to get a little bit annoying, and unnerving, when they are flying all around you while you try to do a BBQ. We tried sealing the opening but then they just flew into the shed. So we locked the doors and then they just hung around outside. Council bloke says there is no nest but cant suggest any reason they would want to be near here. I did not know they were not allowed to kill them. probably explains why so few (none in fact) died after the last visit Think he must just have used one of them fog bombs but they came back once it cleared! Maybe just stick it out for the summer and hope for a long winter! Cheers everyone Little Steve From Dr.Lecter@btinternet.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Dr.Lecter@btinternet.com (Little Steve) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:57:01 GMT Organization: BT Internet Message-ID: <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.27.80 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20092 >It is such a pity that so many people's first thoughts are "how can I >destroy?". I dont want to destroy them. just have them go find some other place to play. You have to admit that having loads off bees flying around you while you are trying to replax in the garden is not the most relaxing way to do it? They do in fact not sting as you have said but they are just a bit annoying. I just wabted some non violent deterant that would encourage them to go some place else. From dublgully@fuse.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP - question on bee feed Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 19:47:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <37AB742D.9BE08455@fuse.net> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20093 Hi all. Had a few beekeepers call today and I have no idea of the answer. Hoping one of you can help. There was an accident on the interstate today. A molasses truck with a great mess. Two beekeepers have their farms and bees right next to the interstate. The bees are going after the molasses. Another beekeeper, an attorney, was at the scene :o) . He got about six 5 gallon cans of molasses. Wants to know if it is OK to feed it to the bees. He said it was feed grade molasses. Said he tasted it and had to spit for 5 minutes. Said it was nasty tasting but real sweet. Any help? Thanks Judy From lauramleek@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 00:31:01 GMT References: <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990806203101.27036.00008061@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20094 You could move your shed into the neighbors yard until winter :-) Laura From southbee@my-deja.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen mating Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 01:49:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7og3al$61q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.200.142 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 07 01:49:12 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x40.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.200.142 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20095 Checking for extra honey yesterday, I found several queen cells in one of my colonies, though have a good queen laying. Can I take the frames with the queen cells out, put them in a nuc, have drone bees in there with her, along with some frames of capped brood and honey and get a mated queen, or will they always fly outside to mate and swarm out? I'd like to avoid them swarming off somewhere where I can't reach them in the 50'tall trees in the neighbor's yards,which is typical out here. Thanks. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From ad387@hwcn.org Sun Aug 8 04:51:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!utnut!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: thinking of starting Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:05:44 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7og4ae$q64$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.233 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20096 Hi: To get started in a most fascinating hobby you may wish to visit, the following: http://www.tcc.on.ca/~ontbee/ Ontario Beekeepers' Association(OBA) Homepage, http://www.gov.on.ca/OMAFRA/english/crops/hort/apicultu.html Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs(OMAFRA) Homepage for Apiculture has a FAQ section that may answer many of your questions. As you live in Mississauga, you may wish to contact Lorna Robinson (416-247-2548)of the Toronto District Beekeepers' Association. This is a fine group of beekeepers, and always willing to help. Lorna will be able to give you details as to their next meeting, etc.. I would suggest you contact your local library to see what information they have in the way of books, etc. One text is The Hive and the Honey Bee(1992 edit.) published by Dadant & Son. It is considered , by some, the beekeepers' bible. But does come with a hefty price, approx.. $40 US. The other is the Ontario Beekeeping Manual, available from the OBA 20$CDN. In Ontario honey bees may be kept in your backyard, subject to the Ontario Bees Act (Sec. 19) i.e. distance from property line, 30 metre in an urban municipality or suburban district, any city by-laws etc. Keith Grimsby, Ontario From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 03:24:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7og8sn$9e2$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7og3al$61q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 07 03:24:12 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20097 southbee@my-deja.com wrote: will they always fly outside to mate and swarm out? > Thanks. > > southbee ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Southbee -- Yes the queen always goes out of the hive to mate - high in the air. Only the strongest males can get to her. The couch potatoes tire out. Seldom does a swarm go with her. She normally goes alone. Once in a while a small group of bees go with her, but if she returns to the hive, so do they. You can make queen mating nucs with the Q cells unless it is getting a little late in the season where you are. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ----------------------------------------------------------- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP - question on bee feed Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 03:30:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7og99j$9p4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37AB742D.9BE08455@fuse.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.118 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 07 03:30:59 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x24.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.118 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20098 dublgully@fuse.net wrote: Wants to know if it is OK to feed it to the bees. He said it was feed grade molasses. Said he tasted it and had to spit for 5 > minutes. Said it was nasty tasting but real sweet. > > Any help? > > Thanks > > Judy --------------------------------------------------------- Judy, the information I have gathered indicates that the impurities in the unrefined syrup makes it "not good for bees". I would not use it intentionally, but in this case what can be done about the molasses the nearby bees have taken back and stored? Anybody have an idea as to how it can be counteracted, or will the dilution factor take care of it? Pete So much to learn - So little time ! -------------------------------------- Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sun Aug 8 04:51:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor for beginner Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 11:10:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990807071058.23151.00001769@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20099 Check out the compact deluxe at Brushy Mth 6000 lbs went through mine before I needed a new bearing(and they had one) This works out to about 4 cents a pound. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From southbee@my-deja.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey super in middle of hive Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 12:16:13 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7oh82a$t5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37A9BB41.19825AE3@lambton.on.ca> <19990805153333.21715.00007160@ng-fv1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.201.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 07 12:16:13 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.201.17 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20100 In article <19990805153333.21715.00007160@ng-fv1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > I have drilled holes in the front of my boxes, thinking they would provide John, I had awful wax moth problems when I first started beekeeping 3 years ago. I didn't have holes in my supers, either. This year I bought duragilt foundation to see if it helped the bees keep the wax moth out of my hives here in the hot south of FL and it has! It has been well worth the extra cost. I've seen a few hive beetles, which I quickly eliminate, but even they aren't reproducing or causing a problem! I put Imrie shim's between my supers for ventilation with no screen. They are like a 1" picture frame with a 1-1/4" hole in the front. Brushy Mtn. Bee Farm sells them or one could make them. regards, southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jmitc1014@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 07:03:19 GMT References: <7og3al$61q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990807030319.29220.00008586@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20101 I was reading in a book recently (gad, I'm the book quoter in this NG) that bees are most likely to supercede in the late summer or fall. If this is true (and I'd like to hear some confirming or contradicting wisdom >from more experienced beekeepers), and you're bees are preparing to supercede, then the bees may know something about that queen you don't. You may prevent them from superceding this fall only to ensure the colony swarms out next spring. One way to tell the difference between swarm and supercedure -- are the cells in the middle of the frames or along the bottom? Are there more or less than six? If there's less than six cells and they're in the middle of the frame, then I think that would confirm your bees are superceding. John From news@gotplenty.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "E. Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for an extractor Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:15:39 -0700 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-ELN-Date: 7 Aug 1999 06:12:28 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Fri Aug 6 23:15:05 1999 Organization: GotPlenty X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust193.tnt3.olympia.wa.da.uu.net Message-ID: <7ogioc$21o$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20102 Am looking to buy a used (or inexpensive new) small extractor. This is our first year with the hive so a 2 frame would be fine. We are in Washington state... Does anyone have information about where I could find one? From stgeorge@i-link-2.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.ntr.net!remarQ60!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: stgeorge@i-link-2.net (Real Name) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants and death to my bees any help? Repeat : Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 06:14:46 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 53 Message-ID: <37abcbfc.7654221@news2.i-link-2.net> References: <7krnl5$aab$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <379517b6.477048@news2.i-link-2.net> <37952D7C.A9BCDA4A@valley.net> <3797A958.B6D5ED59@worldnet.att.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20103 Hi, This might not be so hard . Just glue a straw, or straws to the screen, then glue the tubes of screen, and trim, and pierce where needed . My concern would be with how the bees would clean dead invaders out of the tubes, in an efficient manner . Ken . On Fri, 23 Jul 1999 22:36:09 GMT, "Gregory D. Mellott" wrote: > >Hasta B. Shasta wrote in message <3797A958.B6D5ED59@worldnet.att.net>... >>Having found two queens in one hive a couple of weeks ago, I moved one >>of them, along with about four frames into a separate box and filled out >>the rest of the box with foundation. Yesterday, I found a completed wasp >>nest made of grey mud on one of the empty frames. Upon cutting open the >>nest, I found what appeared to be a single pupa. In another hive, >>between the inner and outer covers, I found wasps building two more >>nests. This colony, too, has a small population. >> >>Bill Greenrose wrote: > > > I have often wondered if using window screen with a few small holes >would help a week colony defend itself better. Perhaps one may even >modify that so the holes were extended into tubes of window screen so >a guard bee might inflict a sting upon a wasp without getting bitten itself. > >Sincerely, > >Gregory D. Mellott > > From allend@internode.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: temperment of bees Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 05:44:13 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <000601bee0ca$2bc37d00$02000003@allend> References: <000201bee02e$97166fa0$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000201bee02e$97166fa0$02000003@allend> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6yI+CVBwoYNh5R0E8zRcNY2?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20104 Ooops, my sig line somehow did not get included. The site is http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/ > > We use a frame feeder in the brood chamber. It stays > > in year round...although we "lose" a brood frame, it > > is easy to feed if they are starving and need feed fast! > > ... in this fashion. The second person pumps (long > > hose, gas dispensing type nozzle and an Briggs and > > Stratton pump) syrup into each frame feeder. > > Us too, with some minor differences. > > Pictures are at my website below. Choose "Feeding Bees" from the index. > > allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From noserider@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: noserider@aol.com (Noserider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lame Queen Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 13:28:11 GMT References: <37AAE28D.18899787@kingston.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990807092811.10818.00002842@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20105 We've had better rain than past years.Temps been on the hot side. The honey stores on the edges of the frames look normal. Very little flight activity. Compared to my other hives, very little comb is drawn out. The hive was installed at the begining of the honey flow about 5 months ago. The larve that exist look normal. The capped cells, the few that are look normal. They appear to be worker larve. The Queen is alive and moving. The workers are massed between two frames. Compared to my other hives given the same time there is not a lot of production. Maybe I should take the corporate strategy and hand out pink slips. Thanks guys Keith Riverockt@aol.com From ernie@nospamwhro.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Lazy bees? Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com> <7oedg8$os8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <01bee0ba$f5e643c0$10a24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 19 Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 09:56:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.16 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 934019818 198.76.162.16 (Sat, 07 Aug 1999 05:56:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 05:56:58 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20106 Hello Karen & Kevin, I've been keeping bees quite a while now in southeast VA, and have found it's a waste of time to try to get comb built after 15 June here. If the bees look good, just let them arrange the brood box for the winter. I just extract once a year in June. Not to discourage you but the last time I checked average yield from USDA, Virginia finished dead last. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > Karen & Kevin wrote in message <37AA530B.50E8@ktc.com>... > >This is my first season keeping bees. I had ordered a package and hived > >them. They promptly built comb in the brood boxes, but refuse to build > >any on any other supers added. Does anybody know how to encourage comb > >building? From bud1941@webtv.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey super in middle of hive Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <27265-37AC449D-5@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7oh82a$t5n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAvryf/AADuRKHa02A9etJpkPdQ7MCFQCfwccHeUoPwxKyrlvM58dWsHs5vA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20107 SOUTHBEE I do not understand how duragilt helps with wax moths. I life in Fla also and have a problem with wax moths. I used duragilt years ago but I have stop using it because of the wax moths. When you do get some damage from the moths the bees will not repair the damage so I am now useing plastic. BUD From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor for beginner Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 15:20:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7ohkgo$pnt$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990807071058.23151.00001769@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20108 beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: >Check out the compact deluxe at Brushy Mth >6000 lbs went through mine before I needed a new bearing(and they had one) >This works out to about 4 cents a pound. >Tom How many cranks was it? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey super in middle of hive Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:10:53 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <37A9BB41.19825AE3@lambton.on.ca> <19990805153333.21715.00007160@ng-fv1.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 7 Aug 1999 17:06:57 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sat Aug 7 10:15:05 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 30 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-003txdallp311.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <37ad670e.18660268@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20109 jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >I have drilled holes in the front of my boxes, thinking they would provide >closer entry to the supers higher up,..... >...do screens over vent holes provide any protection >against wax moth eggs and larvae? The bees will propolize any screened hole that they can't fit through, so screening is likely to be wasted effort. Strong colonies almost always can manage wax moth without any help. Despite all the concern for "improved" hive ventilation, I haven't seen any objective research showing that it actually helps the bees (please speak up if you know of any). Bees depend a lot on pheromones and smells, and it is possible that inappropriate ventilation could even interfere and stress the colony. In the wild, hive entrances are typically small, about one inch (2-3 cm) in diameter. This allows the bees to control ventilation and to guard against predators. The hive is usually also well insulated, in a shady, wind-protected location. The brood nest is near the entrance. There is a lot of variation, but the above seems to be their preference and is worth considering before creating potentially drafty hive conditions. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From jspring@banet.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37AC7205.6B031CB@banet.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 13:51:01 -0400 From: jspring@banet.net Reply-To: jspring@banet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extension Officer Needs Work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.111.227 X-Trace: 7 Aug 1999 17:45:38 GMT, 32.100.111.227 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 21 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.us.ibm.net!32.100.111.227 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20110 I am a US citizen who have married an extension officer who is living in St. Vincent but will be moving to the US in a couple of months once his immigration status is adjusted. Trevor Gilbert, my husband, is currently employed by the Ministry of Agriculture in St. Vincent and is responsible for the entire planning, development and implementation of beekeeping. His responsibilities include bee breathing / queen rearing station to supply colonied for keepers and beginners and the coordination of harvesting, processing and marketing of honey and byproducts. He has had extensive training in general agriculture and beekeeping in the Caribbean, Tanzania, Israel and Taiwan and over 10 years of experience. If anyone is interested in employing him or can suggest suitable agencies, government or otherwise, where he might ally for work in the US, we will be grateful for your advice. You can e-mail me at jspring@banet.net for further information. sincerely, Jasmine Springer-Gilbert From jspring@banet.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37AC7BAD.EDC8D183@banet.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 14:32:13 -0400 From: jspring@banet.net Reply-To: jspring@banet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Extension Officer Needs Work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.111.227 X-Trace: 7 Aug 1999 18:26:50 GMT, 32.100.111.227 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 21 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.59.152.222!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.us.ibm.net!32.100.111.227 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20111 My husband, Trevor Gilbert, (soon to be legal US resident) is currently employed (over 10 years) with the Ministry of Agriculture in St.Vincent and the Grenadines, WI, as the beekeeping extension officer, where his fulltime responsibility is beekeeping development for the entire country. Credentials: General Agriculture diploma (1992) / beekeeping training and work experience in Caribbean / hive design for African beekeeping and the management of Africanized bees in Tanzania (1996) / beekeeping for honey, byproducts and pollination in Israel (1998) / Horticulture, vegetable and fruit tree crop production in Taiwan, ROC (1994) He has had training in the safe and effective use of pesticide use (program funded by FAO) referring to the implementation of the international code of conduct on destribution and use of pesticides (1992& 1994) If anyone is interested in considering him for employment or if anyone knows of any agencies, government or otherwise or businesses where he may or can apply I will be grateful for your advice. You can e-mail me at jspring@ banet.net. Sincerely, Jasmine Springer-Gilbert From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lame Queen Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 19:52:51 GMT References: <19990807092811.10818.00002842@ng-bd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990807155251.01144.00003915@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20112 >Maybe I should take the corporate strategy and hand out >pink slips. > >Thanks guys >Keith >Riverockt@aol.com > requeen Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From josbee@telia.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news.algonet.se!algonet!masternews.telia.net!newsb.telia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "FORSGREN MADELEINE" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7nupcb$tr2$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990731084129.10603.00003687@ng-fq1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Combining two hives Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:15:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.20.228.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@telia.com X-Trace: newsb.telia.net 934056930 62.20.228.236 (Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:15:30 CEST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:15:30 CEST Organization: Telia Internet Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20113 To combine two colonies you have to follow the following procedure: a. Keep the strongest colony (and queen you want to keep) at the same place. b. Kill the queen of the weakest colony (if she is there!) and take it to the colony with the queen you want to keep. c. Put a newspaper on top of the broodchamber of the colony you want to keep and perforate the newspaper with a needle (a few holes will do the trick). d. Place the broodchambers of the colony without queen on top and put on top of the frames a piece of cardboard soaked in methylalcohol (if possible with a sence! or other material which will soak methyl alcohol). Put down a piece of cardboard soaked in methylalcohol + smell in the down broodchamber of the colony with queen. The methyl alcohol + smell will alluminate the pheromone of a queen to her colony. It prevents both colonies from fighting eachother! Check your colony the following day. Look at the entrance and see if any dead bees are carried out. This method has worked 100% for me and it never failes! You can remove the left over of the newspaper in two days. Greetings and good luck, -- Jos Schoenmakers "Malaren Honung" Stenbro Gard 63514 Eskilstuna telefax: (0046) (0)16359190 Sweden BeeCrofter wrote in message news:19990731084129.10603.00003687@ng-fq1.aol.com... > Find and remove/kill the weaker queen. > Place a sheet of newspaper over the stronger hive with a few hive tool slits in > it. > Put the weaker hive bodies on the newspaper. > It helps if the weaker hive has some kind of entrance I usually prop up one > corner with a stick or wood chip. > Anything you do with bees goes smoother with a flow or with feeding. > In a couple days remove the newspaper remnants before they become ggoped up > with propolis. > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 8 04:51:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:38:34 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7oi7f8$f20$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oden5$o61$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.hydroxybutyrate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 934060328 15424 62.136.69.19 (7 Aug 1999 21:12:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 1999 21:12:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20114 >>It is such a pity that so many people's first thoughts are "how can I >>destroy?". > >I don't know much about british bumble bees but over here in >the US we have some pretty mean ones. It depends on the >spiecies. > >Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------- Is that a reason to destroy them? > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sun Aug 8 04:51:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:24:07 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-32.vaqta.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 934061443 16485 62.136.91.160 (7 Aug 1999 21:30:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Aug 1999 21:30:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20115 >You have to admit that having loads off bees flying around you while >you are trying to replax in the garden is not the most relaxing way to >do it? > >They do in fact not sting as you have said but they are just a bit >annoying. > >----------------------------------------------------------------- You could relax by watching them - beats a fish tank anyday! From john@klamsystems.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oden5$o61$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oi7f8$f20$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Lines: 10 Organization: KLaM X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:49:42 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.225.231 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 934066183 137.186.225.231 (Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:49:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:49:43 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20116 Give them something to attract them away from you, Something nice and sweet, scented etc, How about some flowers away from you and close to them. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7oi7f8$f20$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... > From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What does mead taste like? Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 23:17:46 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20117 Could any body describe to me what mead tastes like? Is it sweet tasting? Does the local liquor store carry it? Are they likely to say what the heck is that? What should the answer be? Is there any claimed health benefits from it like other products of the hive? thanks Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: picking up a bee Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 23:17:47 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20118 How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a sure fire way. I notice if you pick it up by the head it tries to curl up it's butt and sting. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: easyrider turned beekeeper Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Aug 1999 23:17:48 GMT References: <7nvaqd$o1f$1@golux.radix.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990807191748.21500.00004433@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20119 I notice the setting was excellent a southern atmosphere of humble surroundings. His residence was neat and orderly and efficient . Like the business of beekeeping. It appeared that his honey house was on the same grounds as the house. I definitely think that the writer made beekeeping as a major influence on the character's modus operandi. I'm sure Peter really enjoyed doing this movie. Al From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does mead taste like? Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:41:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7oihsi$t80$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p25.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20120 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >Could any body describe to me what mead tastes like? Is it sweet tasting? Does >the local liquor store carry it? Are they likely to say what the heck is that? >What should the answer be? Is there any claimed health benefits from it like >other products of the hive? >thanks >Al The Vikings called mead "Nectar of the Gods." Like wine there is good mead and there is bad. It usually has to age for quite awhile. Undrinkable stuff can turn awesome with age. A fried made some that was so nasty he was going to throw it out. He put it away in the basement and found it five years later. It tasted like Harvey's Bristol Cream. Narry a bottle left now. Big liquor stores with a large wine selection quite often carry mead. There are also Honey Liqueurs available. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:45:12 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7oii2m$t80$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oden5$o61$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oi7f8$f20$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p25.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20121 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >>>It is such a pity that so many people's first thoughts are "how can I >>>destroy?". >> >>I don't know much about british bumble bees but over here in >>the US we have some pretty mean ones. It depends on the >>spiecies. >> >>Greg the beekeep >> >> >> >> // Bee Just & Just Bee! >> =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA >> \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs >>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------- >Is that a reason to destroy them? >> If you had a nest of Bumbus Americorium where you frequented you would either get rid of them or stay far away. They will attack at 50 yards. Damn near as bad as hornets. They are a georgious bee but they do not mix with people. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Sun Aug 8 04:51:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.189.71.75!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7oa8i4$18ni$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: How is Royal Jelly collected? Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:06:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 934074416 208.170.81.215 (Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:06:56 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:06:56 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20122 By ripping out another damn supercedure cell !! Damn I let the virgin do her thing ......nothing Intro a buckfast, she released and started laying and now I check in, see her, see fresh eggs and more queen cells! what gives? This was the home hive that the first queen swarmed from, I caught her and hived , fed and she is laying up a storm. But the hive she left with the new buck, super cells again? Any ways my hand of fate swept up the three adjoining Qcells just jammed with royal jelly and then.........popped it in my mouth.......uh uh bitter! Damon @ Skep-Tickle Acres > nenders@my-deja.com wrote in message <7o6mst$c2i$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... > >First of all, I now nothing about beekeeping. > >But I have always been curious as to how Royal > >Jelly is collected. I have been told that it is > >the stuff that the bees feed the queen. But how > >to we get it? > > > > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > > From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Aug 8 04:51:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bear update Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:46:45 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 45 Message-ID: <37ACD375.FDBF88C9@valley.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-120.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20123 greetings, all. just an update. it's been about 4 weeks, since a bear attacked one of my hives. the electric fence that the state of new hampshire loaned me has worked really well. i thought the bear had moved on, but it made a return appearance this week, judging by the excited behavior of my dog, i'd say wednesday morning around 2:30. the bear may even be bedding down in the gully behind my yard, at least the path he/she has beaten through the golden rod heads thataway. also, the wildlife damage specialist from nh fish and game thought it was a likely possibility, being cool, dark and near food, although at the time i doubted it. interestingly, the path is directly behind my hives and, due to the way the fence is positioned at the edge of the lawn, the bear has to pass very close to it in its comings and goings. in fact, i think it even brushes up against it, which probably doesn't give it much, if any, of a zap through its thick coat. while the bear is having a field day on the undersized blackberries and raspberries [due to low rainfall] that ring my property, he/she has not damaged my hives. i know its enjoying the berries, because the big load of bear poop that he/she generously deposited on my lawn, was full of berry parts. unfortunately, my dog discovered the pile first. here's a tip, don't let a chow roll in bear poop. so, the bear and i may have achieved a live-and-let-live situation. it can eat all the berries it wants [glad somebody is enjoying them], as long as it leaves my hives alone. although, if the bear is reading this, i would appreciate it if you would find another place to relieve yourself. the point of all this rambling is that, if you live in an area that has any kind of bear population, i highly recommend that you get an electric fence. they really do work. again, i am a data point of one, but under the circumstances that might qualify as statistically significant. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire ends honey business Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37adf8a6.34569209@news.cidial.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 03:36:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.223 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 934083628 38.11.203.223 (Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:40:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:40:28 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20124 One thing about that article didn't make sense, why was 120,000 pounds of honey made unfit for human use? Were there stacks of un extracted comb sitting everywhere and were flavored by smoke, or was the honey already extracted and then exposed. How can so much honey be exposed to smoke, if it's already in barrels? Was it put into the barrels before or after the fire? That article was a typical newspaper article, it sucked completely. Didn't explain anything. What about all their bees and hives that produced the 120,000 pounds of honey, did they burn up too? Just curious, as to why they were wiped out if they still have all their bees? Why are they smiling in front of that 120,000 pounds of condemned honey, and who condemned it? I would just like to hear more. Charles Kroeger - Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced to strengthen federal pesticide regulations passed. Source: The League of Conservation Voters (LCV) http://www.lcv.org/ From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37ae1e35.44185878@news.cidial.com> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 06:16:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.27 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 934093241 38.11.203.27 (Sun, 08 Aug 1999 02:20:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 02:20:41 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20125 Just scanning a few old post and came across this: Greg the beekeep said: >I figure I hold the world record for the number of stings by >my bees. Probably around 3,500,000 or more. I was reading recently about beekeepers that get stung a lot, and it seems that if you have sex as per say, with a wife, or woman friend or maybe a male friend, your sperm can be highly dangerous to these partners if they, unknowingly have an allergy to bee venom. Without knowing the hidden life of a beekeeper, that apparently likes to be stung, I was just curious if "afterwards" your partners ever felt a bit different than at other times they may have remembered? How can we know if we don't ask? Charles Kroeger From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Sun Aug 8 04:51:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does mead taste like? Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 05:45:03 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 82 Message-ID: <7oj5gv$4k5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.61.27 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Aug 08 05:45:03 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.27 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDpaulkentoakley Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20126 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Could any body describe to me what mead tastes like? Is it sweet tasting? Some of it is sweet, some (very nearly) dry. The label should indicate. It has a complexity of flavor similar to that of honey, but smoothed and made richer by the action of the yeast and the aging process. The precise taste depends on: 1) the honey; 2) the recipe; 3) the brewer's skill; 4) the details of its aging. >Does > the local liquor store carry it? The one in my town doesn't. But I'm in a mostly rural area. I've occasionally seen it in non-specialty liquor stores in medium-sized US cities. >Are they likely to say what the heck is that? I've met some liquor store owners who are connoisseurs, some who are people who appreciate the wide variety of the world of alcohol, and some who are collectors of alcohol trivia. I've also met some who don't know stout from porter, mezcal from tequila, Champagne from Sekt, cider from apple juice, a digestif from an aperitif, single-malt from blended Scotch, Chateau Lafitte-Rothschild from Mogen David, etc, but who work only in the broadest possible categories and are concerned ONLY with making a buck from customers they expect to have no more sophistication or interest in the details than they do. > What should the answer be? Only the first alcoholic beverage consumed by mankind. This is a mildly speculative answer, of course. But long before agriculture made the amounts of grain used for beer brewing and bread making possible, long before viticulture produced grapes for winemaking, long before orchards were planted and kept to produce enough apples for cider, etc., Stone Age humans collected wild honey. This we know beyond doubt. It is probable that some of it was diluted before drinking, since they didn't have bread to smear it on, or perhaps because they needed to share it around over a larger population than it could reasonably be shared among if undiluted. Any occasional left over would ferment due to naturally present yeasts. While mead fermentation and aging to produce a product acceptable to contemporary people is a long process, a difference from the original honeywater would be fairly soon discernable. Many anthropologists and scholars of mythology assume that this recognition was one of the early religious experiences of our species. Even, perhaps, the earliest beginning of civilization itself. A kind of magical proto-alchemy that opened imaginitive potential previously dormant. And to the extent that intoxication was achieved, it is speculated that the difference in sensation and cognition were perceived/ interpreted as "possession" by the spirit/ god who had effected the transformation of the honey. As I say: speculation. But it makes romantic copy. If your liquor store owner is not interested in such non-pragmatic, parahistorical things, describe mead to him/her as a wine made from honey instead of from grapes. Make sure s/he understands that you do NOT refer to the honey-flavored/-sweetened grape wines that are out there to confuse the novice (some even having the word mead somewhere on the label, not techically calling the product mead but apparently purposely confusing the person who doesn't know better). >Is there any claimed health benefits from it like > other products of the hive? Any *moderate* alcohol consumption has some potential health benefits, according to the evening news (but, naturally, risks for some people). I haven't heard any special claims for mead other than taste and Dark-Ages' romance (Vikings/ Beowulf/ and all that). But I'm not an apitherapist; maybe someone else will argue for some specific health claim. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Aug 9 05:42:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does mead taste like? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Aug 1999 11:45:44 GMT References: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990808074544.23133.00002057@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20127 Send 3 gallons at once and I will report back as to it's flavor. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plans for hives Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 15:02:56 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7ojp55$r4v$1@lure.pipex.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 8 Aug 1999 14:58:59 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Sun Aug 8 08:05:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 16 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-001txdallp197.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <37ad9b5f.2287391@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20128 "Mike" wrote: >I want to build some hives in Kenya. Does anybody have plans of a suitable >type for home building. Top bar hives can be easily made from locally available materials. See: http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/kenya.htm and also: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From steven.turner@zbee.com Mon Aug 9 05:42:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee related web sites Message-ID: <934091841@zbee.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 05:57:21 GMT Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 934092200 7406 194.112.32.19 Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20129 Hello All, The 68th National Honey Show will be held in London this November. *Fantastic lecture convention *Honey show open to the World Download the 1999 schedule of classes and entry form and a lot more from the url:- http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/nhs/ Bromley beekeepers association and Kent beekeepers association news letters etc. Online Chat for UK beekeepers UK Beenet homepage download the mailer software needed and join the FREE beekeeping network. Join Beekeeping mailing lists (see internet services) 1. Honey Shows 2. Bee Breeding (BIBBA) 2. Bromley & Dartford Beekeeping Association 3. Kent Beekeeping Association 4. Apinet url:- http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/ The Beefarmers Association of the United Kingdom url:- http://www.beefarmers.co.uk STEVEN TURNER Sysop of ZBeeNet BBS. http://www.kentbee.com/ Email: beeman@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire ends honey business Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:33:12 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <7oj854$1too$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <37adf8a6.34569209@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-34.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934093796 63256 209.130.165.34 (8 Aug 1999 06:29:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 1999 06:29:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20130 This seems odd to me too! ???? Right this minute we have $65,000 worth of honey in the honey house...only is insured for $45,000 (waiting for a truck). It is hard to sleep at night knowing this...we're on pins and needles. I don't think I would be smiling if something similar happened here. --Busybee Charlie Kroeger wrote in message <37adf8a6.34569209@news.cidial.com>... >One thing about that article didn't make sense, why was 120,000 pounds of >honey made unfit for human use? Were there stacks of un extracted comb >sitting everywhere and were flavored by smoke, or was the honey already >extracted and then exposed. How can so much honey be exposed to smoke, if >it's already in barrels? Was it put into the barrels before or after the >fire? > >That article was a typical newspaper article, it sucked completely. Didn't >explain anything. What about all their bees and hives that produced the >120,000 pounds of honey, did they burn up too? > >Just curious, as to why they were wiped out if they still have all their >bees? Why are they smiling in front of that 120,000 pounds of condemned >honey, and who condemned it? > >I would just like to hear more. > > >Charles Kroeger > >- >Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced >to strengthen federal pesticide regulations passed. > >Source: The League of Conservation Voters (LCV) http://www.lcv.org/ > From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 9 05:42:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Aug 1999 11:16:59 GMT References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990808071659.10190.00008500@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20131 >How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a >sure fire way. pick it up by the wings on the back, kinda like pickin up a crawfish. works ever time Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From thoem@cgocable.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37AC1409.F30671A9@cgocable.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 07:10:01 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net X-Trace: 8 Aug 1999 07:10:19 -0500, cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20132 If you picked ME up by my head I'd do almost anything to get your attention. Jajwuth wrote: > How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a > sure fire way. I notice if you pick it up by the head it tries to curl up it's > butt and sting. > Al From adamf@radix.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: 8 Aug 1999 04:48:09 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7ojg89$2g9$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7og3al$61q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990807030319.29220.00008586@ng-cd1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20133 In article <19990807030319.29220.00008586@ng-cd1.aol.com>, JMitc1014 wrote: >One way to tell the difference between swarm and supercedure -- are the cells >in the middle of the frames or along the bottom? Are there more or less than >six? >If there's less than six cells and they're in the middle of the frame, then I >think that would confirm your bees are superseding. Use cell position with hive behavior. Superseding a queen, the bees will not act "swarmy" meaning they won't be preparing to swarm, and most importantly, you should be able to see the queen laying along, as in a normal hive. The "supercedure" vs. "swarm" cell photos and text were always a little arbitrary. I think, if I remember correctly, that one book has lots of text and photos on this subject and it's not very well written and filled with somewhat outdated and confusing information. Supercedure so far as anyone knows is caused by some communication between the laying queen and the rest of the colony. The resulting queen cells produced are not competing queens, in that there is no conflict between the laying queen and the potential supercedure queen. Most supercedure situations will have a laying queen laying along with her mother. The mother queen is still controlling the reproduction in the colony. Some feel that in a swarming situation, various sister lines (groups of bees >from the same drone's semen) vie for genetic colony control by making a queen from their own stock(larva). Then, in a swarming hive, there might be queen cells from several sister lines. When they hatch, these queens fly off in a swarm with their sister bees. Another experiment was conducted using brood in a swarming colony to see if worker bees related to the brood were more likely to raise queens for swarming from their close kin, then from any brood in the colony. Initially, the results were significant showing that yes, bees choose to raise queens from their own, rather than distantly related brood. However, this experiment's design and analysis were challenged and when the experiment was reproduced several times, no significant difference was found to show that workers choose their own kin over more distantly related larva, in making queen cells. The idea that swarms consist of bees more closely related to the virgin queen has been shelved, in light of the data from the above experiments and data from post swarming experiments. Okay, so why then do supercedure queens lay right beside their mothers? Do supercedure virgins fight in the colony like swarm virgins? Is there a mechanism like piping to alert the workers of a multi-virgin condition within a hive during supercedure? What happens to the laying mother queen, while there are virgins out in a hive during supercedure, prior to their mating flights? Is there actually more than one supercedure virgin in a superseding hive? There's lots of fascinating bee biology to think about. -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From adamf@radix.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Date: 8 Aug 1999 14:43:25 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7okj4d$amh$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> <19990808071659.10190.00008500@ng-ff1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20134 In article <19990808071659.10190.00008500@ng-ff1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: >>How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a >>sure fire way. > >pick it up by the wings on the back, kinda like pickin up a crawfish. works >ever time You asked for this: Do crawfish have wings, down your way? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From pollinator@aol.comnospam Mon Aug 9 05:42:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Saturday Entertainment Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Aug 1999 19:18:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20135 What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? Slide Show: http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ Dave Green Hemingway, SC The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From miketurner@dial.pipex.com Mon Aug 9 05:42:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Mike" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plans for hives Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:28:23 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7ojp55$r4v$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: usern500.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 934111205 27807 193.149.85.25 (8 Aug 1999 11:20:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 1999 11:20:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20136 I want to build some hives in Kenya. Does anybody have plans of a suitable type for home building. Regards Norman From djosz@colby-sawyer.edu Mon Aug 9 05:42:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!ratbert.tds.net!not-for-mail From: "Damon Josz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <37ACD375.FDBF88C9@valley.net> Subject: Re: bear update Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 13:48:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.170.81.153 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: ratbert.tds.net 934120081 208.170.81.153 (Sun, 08 Aug 1999 08:48:01 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 08:48:01 CDT Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20137 Bill Greenrose wrote in message news:37ACD375.FDBF88C9@valley.net... > greetings, all. > the electric fence that the state of new hampshire loaned me > has worked really well. >[due to low rainfall] Bill et all, A wiser beekeeper looked a t my fence and suggested a little chicken wire on the ground also. Considering our dry conditions the wire can help in grounding the individual who tampers with the live portion of the fence. Just a thought passed on to me, and now to you! With the bit of rain today this would be unnecessary. Damon @ Skep-Tickle Acres From bill.greenrose@valley.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 17:26:38 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 28 Message-ID: <37ADF60D.9E01B46@valley.net> References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-122.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20138 Dave Green wrote: > What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? > > Slide Show: > http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ > > Dave Green Hemingway, SC > The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm now THAT, was an amazing set of pics. very cool. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From honeybs@radix.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 10:49:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7ojovn$o9s$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> <37ae1e35.44185878@news.cidial.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20139 ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) wrote: >Just scanning a few old post and came across this: >Greg the beekeep said: >>I figure I hold the world record for the number of stings by >>my bees. Probably around 3,500,000 or more. >I was reading recently about beekeepers that get stung a lot, and it seems >that if you have sex as per say, with a wife, or woman friend or maybe a >male friend, your sperm can be highly dangerous to these partners if they, >unknowingly have an allergy to bee venom. >Without knowing the hidden life of a beekeeper, that apparently likes to be >stung, I was just curious if "afterwards" your partners ever felt a bit >different than at other times they may have remembered? >How can we know if we don't ask? >Charles Kroeger I haven't been stung that many times. That is the number of stings my bees have given to other people for treating MS. But to answer your question... my wifes belly swelled up really big a couple of times from having sex. I have two beautiful daughters. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Aug 9 05:42:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> Subject: Re: picking up a bee Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 05:25:15 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 934105460 209.69.69.103 (Sun, 08 Aug 1999 09:44:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 09:44:20 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20140 Grab her by the wings- her butt curls down not up- but you still have to be carefull and make sure you have all wings in your grip. Also you can hold her by the thorax and head on the tip of your thumb so that her abdomen is over your thumbnail- the stinger cannot penetrate the nail. (I have seen pictures of this technique, but I have not mastered it myself- Tricky!) Elleb Jajwuth wrote in message news:19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com... > How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a > sure fire way. I notice if you pick it up by the head it tries to curl up it's > butt and sting. > Al From honeybs@radix.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dp-news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 22:24:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7ol1mq$gg9$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> <19990808071659.10190.00008500@ng-ff1.aol.com> <7okj4d$amh$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20141 adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <19990808071659.10190.00008500@ng-ff1.aol.com>, >Hk1BeeMan wrote: >>>How do you pick up a bee (without gloves) without getting stung? Is there a >>>sure fire way. >> >>pick it up by the wings on the back, kinda like pickin up a crawfish. works >>ever time >You asked for this: >Do crawfish have wings, down your way? >Adam >-- >Adam Finkelstein >adamf@radix.net >http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf That probably depends on the night of the week! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beeman@kingston.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 18:54:18 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <37AE0A9A.226A574F@kingston.net> References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20142 Nice show Dave. I think I would have choose the beer :-) Kent From allend@internode.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Something Fairly Obvious Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:13:44 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 173 Message-ID: <000001bee1f3$a8f84ce0$02000003@allend> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: "sci.ag.bee" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _xiz/AIPid6ytXbV9KCQIrSDoKi8aj9ZU?= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20143 We have been debating the uses and development of emergency queens on BEE-L* and I thought that maybe I should bring the discussion over here as well, since I think it could benefit us all to get as many perspectives as possible. Here are two of the articles. More are available in the BEE-L archives... --- Something Fairly Obvious escaped me for some time and I have intended to write about it -- so much so, in fact, that I thought that I had already written, and just now wasted some precious time searching back articles for my note. Guess I did not write it. For this I apologize. I refer you to page 19 in your 'Contemporary Queen Rearing' text. In the second column, under 'Queens', the development of an egg into a queen bee is shown in table form. Let's start at the top with an egg being laid at the beginning of the first day. Nothing much appears to happen until the end of the third day, at which time the egg hatches -- according to my book. Let's reset our clock now and call this the first day for the larva. One full day after hatching (twenty-four hours) we see the label '1st moult'. And again after another twenty-four hours, we see '2nd moult'. And at the end of the third day, we see '3rd moult'. BUT at the end of the fourth day, we see '4th moult (Sealing)'. To me this seems to indicate that the cell is sealed when the larva is four days old. Now, here's the puzzler. It has been repeated here on BEE-L time and again, that if a hive is dequeened and, then -- four days later -- sealed cells are found, that they must perforce be from old larvae chosen by the bees and destroyed for fear of producing an inferior queen. The assumption is that unsealed queen cells at that time or replacement cells made after will necessarily be from younger larvae. I don't get it. If 1.) a queen larva is routinely sealed four days after hatching, and 2.) worker larvae up to 36 hours old are routinely used in grafting and considered acceptable, How does it follow that sealed cells found after four days necessarily contain inferior queens? allen --- Next post ---- > ...I have several times removed a queen and, since I read that bees when > rearing emergency queens will use older larvae, I have gone back in > after 4 days and removed all capped cells. Then no larvae over 24 hours > old has a chance. I always find capped cells on the 4th day. This > suggests that larvae older than 24 hours were used... Thanks for your observations. Facts help. As you know, this has been a topic of interest here for quite a while. It is of considerable economic importance to many of us. I appreciate all the opinions, *particularly* those which challenge me and my assumptions. Such challenges make me think, and in the process, I learn. With the price of honey down and the cost of queens up, and with reports of massive losses of purchased queens at or shortly after introduction, the matter of quality home raised queens is of huge importance. Beekeepers are having to make compromises. We need to know which compromises are wise and reasonable, and which could be costly. Queens raised right in the hive have a good chance of success. At a conservative cost of about $25 per purchased queen (including the cost of the labour and risk of loss), every such investment must guarantee a payback in terms of better production, better wintering or some other reward. If honey is the goal, at current prices, each new purchased queen that is successful must return about 60 to 70 pounds more than an alternative (free) queen to pay us back. (When you consider that there is a cost (~$0.10 per pound?) to extracting and barrelling the honey, we can't ascribe the ~$0.50US bulk market price to unextracted honey in the hive). As I see it, there are several aspects to the question of breaking down sealed emergency cells on the fourth day after dequeening. * The first is exactly *when* the bees cap queen cells, and if all bees cap them all at the same point, or if there is some variability. I submit there is variability. * Another is whether 24 hour old larvae are *that* much better than the 36 hour the larvae that are acceptable by some authors (or the 48 hour larvae that Steve Tabor suggests that the bees will normally choose). I submit that in many cases the difference will not be detectable in the field. Joe recently passed on a chart (thank you) here on BEE-L that showed that swarm and supercedure cells (started from eggs) should be best, followed by grafted and emergency queens (started from 24 hour larvae). These latter two types of queens apparently decline in quality from the ideal by about 10% for 24 hours larvae, and 15% to 20%, if a 48 hour old larva is chosen for queen building. At least that appeared to be the case in the tests that were reported in the chart. (FWIW, I suspect that the results may have been tidied up a bit. Having done some lab work myself and having done some field experiments, I know that it is very seldom that results are clear cut and that all extraneous influences can be entirely discounted. Moreover there is often quite a bit of scatter in the results which does not show in the tabulations which are necessarily averaged). But I digress... I recently wrote regarding the queen development chart in 'Contemporary Queen Rearing'. After I did so, being the doubter that I am, I wondered if I was, perhaps using a typo to prove my case; the spacing of the words did not seem quite the same as in the charts to either side and I wondered if a carriage return/line feed had been missed. If that were the case, then 'sealing' should be further down the page a bit, putting it down the page into the next day -- a bit at least. With that in mind, I pulled out my books -- again -- and took another look. * Spivak & Reuter (Successful Queen Rearing) say "When the larva is 5-6 days old (or 4-5 days after grafting) the cell is fully formed and will be sealed by the worker bees". This was using 24 hour larvae. * Laidlaw & Page (Queen rearing & Bee Breeding) deal with the development of queen cells on page 82. There are pictures and things are very clear. The only question that is left open -- assuming that the pictures are correct and that they were taken at precisely 24 hour intervals -- is the exact age of the larva grafted. In that regard, I could only find only one reference accompanying a picture on page 60, stating that the larvae shown are the correct age for grafting at "about one day old", and assume they followed their own guideline in the cells used for the photos. Figure 55 shows "Queen cells three days following grafting". They are not capped at this point. This would also equate to three days after dequeening *if the bees chose 24 hour larvae*, as we assume Laidlaw did. The cells look pretty close to ready to cap. The one at top right might even be in the process. Figure 56 shows "Cells sealed on the fourth day following grafting". They are very well capped in the picture, although the one on the left does not appear to be capped, for some reason (there could be many different reasons for slow development, including disease). This would equate to the fourth day after dequeening, again if the bees chose 24 hour larvae, as we assume Laidlaw did. This is the point at which -- if you followed the advice I am questioning -- you would be going to break down all sealed cells... There are assumptions in the above argument, and they mmust be examined. One is that the bees raise cells the instant that the queen is gone, but we know that it takes at least several hours for them to get their act together and start to draw cells. I have heard 5 or so is typical. I have seen it take much longer. We don't know however at what point before cells become evident the bees choose and switch the diet of the larvae that will be queens. We don't know if they always have a few worker larvae that are particularly well fed in anticipation of an emergency... The conclusion I reach -- assuming scrupulous attention to timing of the grafting and photos -- is that if you went back exactly four days after dequeening, and knocked down all sealed cells, you could well be killing cells raised from 24 hour larvae. That is not to say that you would not be knocking down older ones. However, the whole premise to the 'knock the sealed cells at four days' approach is that bees raise emergency cells from larvae of varying ages. I wonder. Emergency cells in my recollection are usually in one particular area of the comb, and thus should encompass larvae of roughly the same age. If you destroy their cells will they build differently the next time? Are any that are uncapped on the fourth day from younger larvae, or just started later? Or a bit inferior or diseased? allen For those who asked: If I could buy only one queen rearing book, which would I choose? Today, it would probably be Laidlaw & Page's "Queen rearing & Bee Breeding". Tomorrow, my answer might be different. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:22:41 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7ol39q$1ebi$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934154362 47474 209.130.165.15 (8 Aug 1999 23:19:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Aug 1999 23:19:22 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20144 Your Saturday entertainment made for my Sunday entertainment! Thanks! Great show...hope the temps cool down for you though. Whew! Sweating just watching the slide show! --Busybee Dave Green wrote in message <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com>... >What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? > > Slide Show: > http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ > > >Dave Green Hemingway, SC >The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From richwebb*nospam*@gte.net Mon Aug 9 05:42:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37AE1734.B7D74FF4@gte.net> From: Rich Webb X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Opinions on strains of bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 X-Trace: /wObnc/3XGhEEAMWBle1DB8hfXCEXljrWHqeOZ54SZx1fSAVsVUojVWSEOWqNGWavoSnfXSiKx8v!2vHnJjBEuasSkY6bp5EjCQSQ9JeGhvUEKwMH1Wf+45FpqRX8EprAHg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 23:48:19 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 23:48:19 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20145 As I was researching which strain of queen to get to introduce to our swarmed hives, I compiled the information into a web page table so that everyone could see what I've produced. The page is located at: http://home1.gte.net/richwebb/beestrain.htm >From this group, I ask that you check out the page, and tell me if I'm completely off base in the information that I've collected. I'm sure that there are many opinions regarding the various bee "races" and how well they work for the casual bee keeper. I can be reached privately at: richwebb@gte.net Thanks for the trouble you take, and hopefully the page can be made better! Rich Webb From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Mon Aug 9 05:42:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee stings Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37ae1a0a.32107674@news.cidial.com> References: <7o975p$1geq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7oalut$7uu$3@news1.Radix.Net> <37ae1e35.44185878@news.cidial.com> <7ojovn$o9s$4@news1.Radix.Net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 31 Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 00:16:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.145 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 934158072 38.11.203.145 (Sun, 08 Aug 1999 20:21:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 20:21:12 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20146 Greg the beekeep clarifies a former post: >I haven't been stung that many times. aaahhh. >my wifes belly swelled up >really big a couple of times from having sex. There you are then. it's true what they say. I did read where a beekeeper's wife almost died from anypheletic shock after having sex with this guy that been stung several hundred times that year. That rather queers the due when you ask, was it good for you too, and they can't breath. C.K. - in Clarksdale you hear about people being killed in Oakland you hear about people being killed unknown person interviewed on the NBC network "nightly news." . From jmitc1014@aol.com Mon Aug 9 11:35:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Opinions on strains of bees Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 02:33:44 GMT References: <37AE1734.B7D74FF4@gte.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990808223344.25203.00008747@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20147 Rich, You're off to a great start. This is really useful information, but I found some contradictory assertions. In the writeup on Carniolans, it says they have a slow spring buildup, but in the comparision chart below it says they have a rapid spring buildup. Can't be both. Can somebody weigh in on this? Also, the writeup on Caucasians says that they have the longest tongue, but I read somewhere that it is the Carniolans that have the longest tongue. I reviewed my files to hunt down the source of my belief: it came from the flyer that Glenn Apiaries sends out to queen buyers. The Glenn people seem to be pretty wise about bees. Their flyer also says Carniolans have "rapid buildup," which I assume means spring buildup. John From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Aug 9 11:35:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 02:35:26 GMT References: <7okj4d$amh$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990808223526.28107.00010045@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20148 >You asked for this: >Do crawfish have wings, down your way? > >Adam > awe we gottem all down here, wings, blue,red polkey dotted. nuklear plant runoff i reckon Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From harper@ktc.com Mon Aug 9 11:35:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37AE4FD5.16A0@ktc.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 22:49:41 -0500 From: Karen & Kevin X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for an extractor References: <7ogioc$21o$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.163.199.69 Lines: 7 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.57.66.12!news2.fibr.net!207.71.36.3!209.163.199.69 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20149 I guess you've combed through the local beekeepers, and if not try there first. This is my first season, but I found a man in his 90's who sold me several colonies with bees, and a few more hives for 15.00 ea. He sold me his hand crank extractor ( 4 frame ) for $30.00. The deals are out there. I am now hunting down another former beekeeper who has equipment in the area. I will keep you in mind if he has an extractor for cheap. From adamf@radix.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: 9 Aug 1999 09:46:12 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7omm34$qvb$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7ojg89$2g9$1@saltmine.radix.net> <4626-37AEBA3F-10@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20150 In article <4626-37AEBA3F-10@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, John Partin wrote: >ADAM': > Do you think that the same` things happen in forced supercedure that >happens in nomal supercedure. If it does dont you think that this >procedure would be a great help to a hive. Hi. Would you define exactly what you mean by: "forced supercedure"? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From shuston@riverace.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire ends honey business Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 10:55:06 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 42 Message-ID: <37AEEBCA.F4C02AC4@riverace.com> References: <37adf8a6.34569209@news.cidial.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: IzzKBghyRljOD8IKzPK8FZBL2dFrmyqHdlUoaITbPKw= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 1999 14:55:07 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20151 >From the article, I got the sense that they didn't have bees anymore - had given up on harvesting honey due to foreign honey dumping and falling prices, and bought honey for making their specialty mixes. I'm no honey chemist, but maybe having 120,000 pounds of honey in barrels in a 1000 degree fire damaged it so it couldn't be used for their products. -Steve Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > One thing about that article didn't make sense, why was 120,000 pounds of > honey made unfit for human use? Were there stacks of un extracted comb > sitting everywhere and were flavored by smoke, or was the honey already > extracted and then exposed. How can so much honey be exposed to smoke, if > it's already in barrels? Was it put into the barrels before or after the > fire? > > That article was a typical newspaper article, it sucked completely. Didn't > explain anything. What about all their bees and hives that produced the > 120,000 pounds of honey, did they burn up too? > > Just curious, as to why they were wiped out if they still have all their > bees? Why are they smiling in front of that 120,000 pounds of condemned > honey, and who condemned it? > > I would just like to hear more. > > Charles Kroeger > > - > Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced > to strengthen federal pesticide regulations passed. > > Source: The League of Conservation Voters (LCV) http://www.lcv.org/ -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bear update Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 14:57:45 GMT References: <37ACD375.FDBF88C9@valley.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990809105745.13701.00004662@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20152 bill.greenrose writes: > i know its enjoying the >berries, because the big load of bear poop that he/she generously >deposited on my lawn, was full of berry parts. unfortunately, my dog >discovered the pile first. Seems like the bear is hanging around and getting a little close. Maybe the fish and game boys could live trap it and give the headache to someone else. I suspect that your comments about bear scat might bring the old boys out of the woodwork again with their comments about bells and pepper spray in the bear scat. A joke as old as the hills. Maybe if your are a hobbyist the bear has a sixth sense that your producing honey surplus to your needs and why can't she have a some Good luck Al. From beetools@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 15:23:58 GMT References: <19990807191747.21500.00004432@ngol04.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990809112358.12825.00000659@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20153 Pick them up by the wings - practice with drones until you have a high confidence level. This is alos how you pick up queens and them turn'em over and hold by the legs. Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.aol.com/beetools From adamf@Radix.Net Tue Aug 10 07:54:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@Radix.Net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reply to Honey Bee Population Question Date: 9 Aug 1999 11:25:11 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 73 Message-ID: <7omrsn$84b$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20154 Hi. I'm posting the following letter responding to a question on an entomology listserver. Adam To: Entomology Discussion List Subject: Re: Honeybee numbers up..... On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:15:17AM -0400, Gene Spears wrote: > I've noticed a large number of honeybees this year visiting milkweed > plants (A. syriaca), and no managed hives in the vicinity, which prompts me > to ask the following, related questions? How do you know there are no managed hives in the vicinity, or that there were no migratory hives that cast swarms in the vicinity? Honey bees are fairly elusive as I'm sure you know. > > 1) Is there any easy way to determine if field-collected workers come from > managed or feral colonies? Are any of the chemicals used to treat mites and > diseases persistant enough to be detected by chemical analysis of workers? > Would it be reasonable to assume that all managed hives are receiving > treatment? Since most mite treated bees are legally treated in the Spring and Fall (following honey production management schemes: treat when not producing honey) you'd have to assay then. Fluvalinate is used now for in-hive contact treatment. Maybe during the treatment window you might be able to assay for this compound. (There are other compounds on the way too). > > 2) Any reports of native resistance in NA honeybees, yet? No reliable ones, no. > > 3) A more theoretical question. Would strains of Varroa that were less > virulent to their host eventually be favored? This is the old parasite > paradigm - parasitism evolving into commensalism - but, is the Varroa > life-cycle and feeding habit such that any selective advantage might accrue > to less-virulent mites? Tough to say--since VM co-evolved with _Apis cerana_ in Asia. Since the exotic _Apis mellifera_ has been so coddled and selected for build-up on stimulative feeding (USA Queen Rearing Industry) without much thought to disease and parasite tolerance, the scenario of VM decimating hive populations in N.A. has played out some, although there is a seemingly inherent cyclic nature to VM infestation and subsequent honey bee colony mortality. Work now however, is being done on tolerance selection by USA government, some USA Universities, and several cooperative grass-roots programs utilizing modern genetic and selection techniques. Thus, maybe when more hardy stocks of honey bees begin to influence the wild population's genetic base, selection toward a mean balance with mite/host can commence, as you state, from parasitism into tolerant commensalism. It's really hard to justify funding for bee breeding when the risk is so high and the industry just isn't very lucrative--it's more profitable to sell medication for honey bees than to breed better ones. Varroa's actual pathogenic effect on honey bee physiology hasn't been elucidated well either. Again, not much funding available there. Beekeepers and folks in apicultural vocations, unless they have a pipeline into the research program, are usually the last to know of any findings or advances in apiculturally related research. -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From preacherc@cvalley.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!cyclone.i1.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed1.news.nl.uu.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.greenhills.net!not-for-mail From: "Dennis Crutchfield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: question of buying queens Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:40:36 -0500 Organization: Green Hills/Chariton Valley News Server Lines: 10 Message-ID: <7omt6t$u4r$1@einstein.greenhills.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cv-76.cvalley.net X-Trace: einstein.greenhills.net 934213661 30875 208.232.214.76 (9 Aug 1999 15:47:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.greenhills.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 1999 15:47:41 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20155 I would like a private response on who and where the best breeders of Italian queens are. Sent to my personal address. I know everyone has there favorites. That is why the private nature. And do you know where any starlite Italian queens are. thanks preacher preacherc@cvalley.net From nono@nono.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of buying queens From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <7omt6t$u4r$1@einstein.greenhills.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 22 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 16:38:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.104 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 934216714 216.98.69.104 (Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:38:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:38:34 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20156 You can get the Starline queen and bees from the York Bee Company in Jesup, GA. I hope this is not too controversial. ;-) John R. In article <7omt6t$u4r$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, preacherc@cvalley.net says... > >I would like a private response on who and where the best breeders of >Italian queens are. Sent to my personal address. I know everyone has there >favorites. That is why the private nature. And do you know where any >starlite Italian queens are. >thanks >preacher >preacherc@cvalley.net > > > From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee and nectar source Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 17:23:18 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990809132318.24259.00004875@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20157 Do bees go to a preferred or closest nectar source. How does the beekeeper direct bees to herb patch to make specialty honey. I saw on TV where bees can be trained to go to a specific nectar source. This technique is used for bee scenes in movies etc. Also I understand that bees are attracted to golden rod. Isn't that the plant that is the scourage of allergy sufferers..Most want to rid their garden or property of it. Al From adamf@radix.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!outfeed1.news.cais.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: question of buying queens Date: 9 Aug 1999 12:30:10 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <7omvmi$em1$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <7omt6t$u4r$1@einstein.greenhills.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20158 In article <7omt6t$u4r$1@einstein.greenhills.net>, Dennis Crutchfield wrote: >I would like a private response on who and where the best breeders of >Italian queens are. Sent to my personal address. I know everyone has there >favorites. That is why the private nature. And do you know where any >starlite Italian queens are. I wrote Dennis. However, I think this is a great public topic and therefore am going to insert my own humble opinion on queen breeders: The queens you raise yourself, following proper queen rearing techniques, based on honey bee biology, will blow away any "breeder" queens from anywhere. Now, obtaining locally raised queens from excellent stock, selected in your area, is tough to beat as well. Look around: who sconsistently produces honey and has bees in your area? These people are the ones to approach with queen breeder questions. We use bees in our program that produce well and live through the Winter. Some were Buckfast, some were from David Miksa, some were Carniolian, some were Italian. Everyone's management is different. I don't like feeding bees, and I do like bees to draw out lots of foundation--I select for these traits in my population. "When in doubt, throw it out." This also helps keep the selection focused on what's important. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:59:26 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7omae3$j4b$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20159 pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: >What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? > Slide Show: > http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ >Dave Green Hemingway, SC >The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html >Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) >http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Nice home page you have there! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 18:38:39 GMT References: <7on574$g4s$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990809143839.23718.00003577@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20160 Maybe I'm thinking of ragweed. I will have to try to do a proper identification of the plant. Is golden rod a wild flower type plant? The plant I have has long yellow stringy flowerage(word?). I did notice bumble bees at it. It's just that I am looking for all the naturally occurring nectar sources I can find. Sort of like an inventory. Then I want to plant some more. No harm intended on this wide world forum. Al From sotojavi@arrakis.es Tue Aug 10 07:54:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: "Javier Soto Vázquez" From: "Javier Soto Vázquez" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb - La pagina Hispana de Agricultura y Ganaderia Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:54:43 +0200 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.72.175 Message-ID: <37aa16bb@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 6 Aug 1999 00:56:59 +0100, 195.5.72.175 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!news.arrakis.es!195.5.72.175 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20161 @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería: http://www.arrakis.es/~sotojavi/index.htm Se está convirtiendo en el centro de encuentro de todos los hispanos hablantes que por nuestro trabajo u otras razones estamos relacionados con la Agricultura o la Ganadería. Col@boradores - Todos los que somos y hacemos posible este espacio Web. @groEscuela - Boletines, Artículos y Documentos. @groCafé - Para dar tu opinión libremente sobre los temas de mayor actualidad. @groPreguntas - para resolver tus dudas sobre agronomía. @groCursos - ¿Buscas un Curso, Jornada o Congreso? ¿Organizas uno? @groEnlaces - Para encontrar todo lo relacionado con el campo en Internet. Esperamos tu Visita. From tceisele@mtu.edu Tue Aug 10 07:54:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!msunews!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Date: 9 Aug 1999 18:04:20 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7on574$g4s$1@campus1.mtu.edu> References: <19990809132318.24259.00004875@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: milkyway.mm.mtu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.6] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20162 Jajwuth wrote: : Also I understand that bees are attracted to golden rod. Isn't that the plant : that is the scourage of allergy sufferers..Most want to rid their garden or ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : property of it. It is? It certainly doesn't bother me, or anybody I know. It's blooming vigorously around here right now, in fact, with a great deal of it on my property. My bees seem to be working it with moderate enthusiasm, and nobody I have seen around lately seems to be at all bothered by it. Just out of curiosity, is the species of goldenrod in northern Michigan (where I am) less allergenic than the dominant goldenrod species elsewhere? Or has the plant gotten an unfortunate bad reputation, because of being tall, obvious, and blooming at about the same time as plants like ragweed, which are less noticeable but kick out a lot of airborne pollen? Or, is there really a widespread allergy to this stuff, and I somehow never noticed it before? Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu From Graham@beefarm.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 07:54:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:48:37 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-48.uranium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 934224670 24800 62.136.45.176 (9 Aug 1999 18:51:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Aug 1999 18:51:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20163 Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... > >You have to admit that having loads off bees flying around you while > >you are trying to replax in the garden is not the most relaxing way to > >do it? > > > >They do in fact not sting as you have said but they are just a bit > >annoying. > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > > You could relax by watching them - beats a fish tank anyday! > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- It is a common fallacy that British Bumble Bees do not sting. If you try hard enough, they will sting you. I have tried countless times to move Bumbles rather than destroy them, and I have indeed been stung doing it. Graham From bud1941@webtv.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-xfer.epix.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4626-37AEBA3F-10@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7ojg89$2g9$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAwRRM9yAADhz49jq+oQuI+ha2NLoCFG5ITN2kmW7Kn6HeHdc9jOjdVWUy Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20164 ADAM': Do you think that the same` things happen in forced supercedure that happens in nomal supercedure. If it does dont you think that this procedure would be a great help to a hive. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4626-37AF272A-51@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7omm34$qvb$1@saltmine.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQpinjStqy28TfyziJkB6RsvZ28FAIVALrFqDECppnsyLwk6PK7dlMbk7RN Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20165 One way to requeen is to use forced supercedure. We place a ripe cell in a cell potector during a honey flow up in the honey supers. The bees are so busy that they pay little attention to the cell and the new queen goes out and mates, returns, and some say lays rite along with the old queen until after the flow is over and they the old queen goes amiss. The research says that it can be 80% effective. We have been doing this for a few years now and I have not seen a swarm in any of our yards that we have used this method in. We have been using Dave Miksas queen cells but this fall we are going to get Dave to switch to yellow queens so we can check to see how we are doing. BUD From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fire ends honey business Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 21:30:28 GMT References: <37AEEBCA.F4C02AC4@riverace.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990809173028.10903.00004046@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20166 The article seemed to indicate that it was an ideal situation. He had a business that was allegedly hurt by foreign dumping and he seems to be locked into one big customer. He had to give up his hives,He had 13 employees to look after as well. The article said he did not have adequate insurance. How much did he have can he recoup his equity or do they expect the insurance to restablish him as a going concern. What will happen to the honey? Al From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:36 EDT 1999 Article: 20167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Aug 1999 22:25:04 GMT References: <19990809132318.24259.00004875@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990809182504.28104.00010620@ng-fh1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20167 >Do bees go to a preferred or closest nectar source. > At times your answer would be yes. As foragers return to the hive they give a taste and do their dance. A very high sugar content will yield a very prodigious dance, leading most of the foragers to that source. >How does the beekeeper direct bees to herb patch to make specialty honey. Almost impossible accept with special lures. Also bees will usually visit the nearest source IE putting out pollination hives at night after melons have been blooming for a few days will give better results since the first thing they come upon will be the melon blooms. And as long as the blooms are producing the bees won't look too much farther for nectar. >Also I understand that bees are attracted to golden rod. Isn't that the plant >that is the scourage of allergy sufferers..Most want to rid their ga This is one selling point of natural local honey !!!!! Local honey always contains some pollen from the area it was produced in, So sufferers can begin taking about a 1/2 a teaspoon daily early in the season and their allergies will not be anywhere near as bad, GUARANTEED TO WORK EVERY TIME !!!! I actually have one customer who hasn't needed her usual weekly doctor visit a single time this year !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From darrell@machinemaster.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Increase Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:41:41 -0700 X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-ELN-Date: 9 Aug 1999 23:38:53 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Aug 9 16:45:10 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-003waolymp102.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <7onoqd$8sc$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20168 I am a beeginner this year. I got a starter hive in June and fed heavy. I want to split the hive so I will have two hives. Is it to late? I live in western Washington and I don't mind feeding. Also I have seen mention of a strip that you put on the bottom board to detect the Varroa mites. What can you tell me about it. Darrell From southbee@my-deja.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:37 EDT 1999 Article: 20169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: southbee@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen mating Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 23:46:15 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7onp85$91j$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7omm34$qvb$1@saltmine.radix.net> <4626-37AF272A-51@newsd-172.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.6.201.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Aug 09 23:46:15 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-gatewaynet (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.6.201.26 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDsouthbee Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20169 Bud, I'm not familiar with cell protectors. I take it the new queen can get out of it somehow to exit the hive. I'm trying to keep things status quo in my hives. Don't have a lot to spend on more boxes, etc. till I get a good honey crop off of the bees...or is this hobby of mine going to keep growing exponentially and I will have to nuc the queen cells every time I see one in the middle of the frames (which they are)? BTW, thanks for everyone's input. southbee Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From gfdavis@usit.net Article: 20170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees hanging out on front of hive Message-ID: <37af859c.16846764@nntp.usit.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 10 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:06:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.221 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 934250787 216.80.168.221 (Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:06:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:06:27 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20170 I have a 2 year old hive that I should have split this spring ,but I waited to late and they swarmed. I caught them and put them in a new hive a ways off from the existing hive, but they went back to the old hive I think and swarmed again a couple days later and went up in the top of a tree and eventually swarmed off to were I couldn't get to them. The ones left behind didn't seem to active for a while , but have started to draw cone now , but they seem to hang on the front of the hive alot. Is this a problem ? I plan on splitting this hive the first of March of next year. I live in the southwest part of Va. GD From riverockt@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:38 EDT 1999 Article: 20171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 02:39:04 GMT References: <7on574$g4s$1@campus1.mtu.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990809223904.10818.00003823@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20171 I've heard from several sources that honey (local honey) can help with pollen related allgeries. Possibily because it could contain nectar and pollen form the plants. I dont know about the theory but since I've started eating my honey my sinus problems have almost disapeared. It also seems to have helped a friends kid who suffered bad reactions. Who's to say From bill.greenrose@valley.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:39 EDT 1999 Article: 20172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 22:06:38 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Message-ID: <37AF892E.B3541B44@valley.net> References: <19990809132318.24259.00004875@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-126.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Lines: 33 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20172 Jajwuth wrote: > > Also I understand that bees are attracted to golden rod. Isn't that the plant > that is the scourage of allergy sufferers..Most want to rid their garden or > property of it. > Al greetings, goldenrod is much maligned as a cause of late summer allergies. however, it is ragweed that utilizes a wind-born pollen and is the real culprit [along with grasses and other wind pollinators.] goldenrod has a heavier pollen, that is collected and transferred by bees and other insects. it is a nectar producer for that reason, to attract insects for pollination. its pollen might trigger a reaction in someone, who is very sensitive to pollen, but they would have to stir it up by walking through it or stand downwind on a blustery day. tincture of goldenrod is actually used to reduce the effects of other pollens as allergy stimulants. to kevin's point, pollen in the honey might have the same effect. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From ashley2m@hotmail.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!ameritech.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "patty2" Subject: looking for 1+gal. top hive feeders Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: max206.caltel.com/205.214.42.160 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 934253672199 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7yMr3.16560$J5.181756@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:57:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.202 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 934253827 216.200.3.202 (Mon, 09 Aug 1999 19:57:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 19:57:07 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20173 I will have to feed my bees soon and don't want to use baggies this year. (to costly) I have seen someone mention a feeder that fits in the top empty super, (your add an empty one) then this feeder is filled and lays on top the racks. The bees come up and eat. It is covered under the super and then roof so each hive will have it own. It is refillable and made from a rigid plastic. Does anyone remember where these came from? -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:40 EDT 1999 Article: 20174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Increase Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:13:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7oo5dg$hem$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7onoqd$8sc$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 10 03:13:59 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.96 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20174 In article <7onoqd$8sc$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote: > I am a beeginner this year. I got a starter hive in June and fed heavy. I want to split the hive so I will have two hives. Is it to late? I live in western Washington and I don't mind feeding. > Also I have seen mention of a strip that you put on the bottom board to detect the Varroa mites. What can you tell me about it. > Darrell ----------------------------------------------------------- Hi, Darrell -- I would not split this late in the season. You might not get them to store enough sugar syrup before cold weather when they can not take syrup and convert it to stored honey. They also need pollen for raising babies and they may not have an adequate source of pollen this late. The "sticky board" placed on the bottom board at the same time you put in the Apistan strip lets you see how many mites fall of because of the presence of the Apistan. The sticky boards can be purchased from some supply houses, or can be made. Search this site for Sticky Boards. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Tue Aug 10 07:54:41 EDT 1999 Article: 20175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out on front of hive Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:07:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <7oo51d$h4i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37af859c.16846764@nntp.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.96 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Aug 10 03:07:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.96 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20175 they seem to hang on the front of > the hive alot. Is this a problem ? > GD --------------------------------------------------- Hi, GD, It is normal for bees, especially strong colonies, to hang out on the front of the hive. Seems that they are just sorta sitting on the front porch so to speak. This late in the season it does not mean that they are bout to swarm. Doing this reduces the number of bees inside and probably helps let the air circulate better. Pete -- So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From corncob@nospam.techline.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Corncob" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:46:22 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20176 Great show Dave. Loved it! Kyle Dave Green wrote in message news:19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com... > What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? > > Slide Show: > http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ > > > Dave Green Hemingway, SC > The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:42 EDT 1999 Article: 20177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking for 1+gal. top hive feeders Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 04:08:15 GMT References: <7yMr3.16560$J5.181756@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810000815.07061.00009272@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20177 >I will have to feed my bees soon and don't want to use baggies this >year. (to costly) I have seen s A 1 gallon pickle jar works great, punch holes in the shape of the inner cover hole and put on top of the inner cover ( you may need to add a stick or two under the cover to help hold it up) works wonderfully !! add some dark food coloring to the sugar water, that way next spring you'll know if theres any still in the frame or if its spring honey ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:43 EDT 1999 Article: 20178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 04:11:19 GMT References: <19990809223904.10818.00003823@ng-bd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810001119.07061.00009277@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20178 >since I've started eating my honey >my sinus problems have almost disapeared. It also seems to have helped a >friends kid who suffered bad reactions. Who's to say I am, I'll guarantee it works !! I've got three customers who spend or used to spend hundered's of bucks each spring on doctor visits, now they call me ! And those are just the main 3 there are about 30 more that have reported wonderful results. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 10 07:54:44 EDT 1999 Article: 20179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 04:37:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20179 Ladies and gents I'd really like your opinion on this matter. Bout 2 1/2 weeks ago I noticed one of the local farmers tobacco spray teams hard at it across the road from my bee yard. since it was 10 am I became concerned and went to check things out, The applicator and his assistant could speak very little english and the farmer was no where to be found, They were spraying Kleen Tac mixed with Orthene. I tried to explain to them that the Orthene was deadly to bees and even grabbed a label off the box on the back of the truck. No Comprendo was their reply. So i circled the warning and asked them to give it to the boss when they got back, also writing that " Please no spray till at least after 3 pm" I called the guy's father who kinda laughed the whole matter off( these folks got more money than sense) He said he'd tell him. Few days later they sprayed again,@ 3pm so i know he got the message. Few days after that there they were at 11am spraying orthene again, this time they watched me approach and acted like i was carrying the plague. I asked what they were spraying " do not know" one said and the other said stuff for suckers. I looked in the back of the truck and you guessed it there was a half empty case of orthene. After a little prodding They admitted that yes they were mixing " the little cans" in with the sucker stuff. I told them about the bees... They sprayed anyway. My buck wheat field is right across the street, was in full bloom, I had bees hanging out the front of the boxes every night. That night I didn't have bees hanging. The buckwheat finished it's bloom with very little seed reproduction. My hives look like early spring ( maybe a 3 inch place at the entrance covered with bees ) plenty of larva, plenty of brood, plenty of young bees, Maybe a double handful of workers. I usually pull a few supers this time of year to get the buckwheat off before the clear cotton comes in. I went to do this today. Damn I sure was counting on a nice Christmas this year. This guy is a local boy, an ya know ya hate to start trouble if'n ya can help it. But I did tell them. I'd Like to hear from most of ya and i'll probably print em all out to use if I do something ( Like as other learned opinions). Thanks Very Much Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From dh_ld@yahoo.com Tue Aug 10 21:40:58 EDT 1999 Article: 20180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: dh_ld@yahoo.com (David) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Question about killing wasps and hornets (and other insects). Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 06:29:54 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.45.0b.23 X-Server-Date: 10 Aug 1999 06:33:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20180 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:155 There have been occasions when I've killed wasps or hornets that have come into my home, etc. Sometimes (often) the initial blow does not kill the poor animals, but leaves them twitching and apparently suffering. In an effort to relieve their pain as quickly as possible, I have tried cutting their heads off. That has never done the job of shutting them down though, and I soon learned that crushing the mid section (the thorax?) is what kills them completely. I've wondered why that is the way to end the job for many years. Is their brain in that part of their body? Do they even have a brain? Thank you for any reply! David From john@klamsystems.com Tue Aug 10 21:40:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.nntp.acc.ca!feed.nntp.acc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 25 Organization: KLaM X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:11:19 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.224.181 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 934276280 137.186.224.181 (Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:11:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 05:11:20 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20181 What does the warning on the orthene say? Has the guy broken the rules. What are the local/state laws on the use of pesticides? Ditto, what does the local goverment agri-business rep have to say. What are your real damages? would it be woth your while to sue? Can you keep track of the guys actually doing the spraying, they may be the only evidence of what happened. Can you prove that your bees were doing OK before the spraying. What are the princpal argicultural crops in the area, apart from tobacco? Of particular interest would be those that require polination to produce a crop, fruit etc., ( if I remember correctly tobacco does not reuire polination). You might be able to get some support from these guys. Talk to the Sierra Club, Greenpeace and any other (sane) local environmental groups. Do you have greater financial resources than your neighbor, are you a member of an association that might help? Sorrry to sound unsympathetic, but in order to get any where your going to have to prove he knowingly did something wrong, and have the resources to prove it. As he is growing tobacco he does not sound as though he is one of the worlds most environmentally or socilly responsible people. Then see your lawyer and go for it. Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com... > From news@gotplenty.com Tue Aug 10 21:40:59 EDT 1999 Article: 20182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: "E. Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for an extractor Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:58:32 -0700 References: <7ogioc$21o$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <37AE4FD5.16A0@ktc.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-ELN-Date: 10 Aug 1999 09:55:07 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Tue Aug 10 03:05:03 1999 Organization: GotPlenty X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust125.tnt5.olympia.wa.da.uu.net Message-ID: <7oostr$aqr$1@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20182 Thank you for the tip and please DO let me know if you come upon a used extractor. I haven't come across anyone around here who was willing to get rid of anything. E. "Old beekeepers never die, they just buzz off" Karen & Kevin wrote in message news:37AE4FD5.16A0@ktc.com... > I guess you've combed through the local beekeepers, and if not try there > first. This is my first season, but I found a man in his 90's who sold > me several colonies with bees, and a few more hives for 15.00 ea. He > sold me his hand crank extractor ( 4 frame ) for $30.00. The deals are > out there. I am now hunting down another former beekeeper who has > equipment in the area. I will keep you in mind if he has an extractor > for cheap. From adamf@radix.net Tue Aug 10 21:41:00 EDT 1999 Article: 20183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: 10 Aug 1999 07:08:39 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20183 In article <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com>, Hk1BeeMan wrote: > Ladies and gents I'd really like your opinion on this matter. Hi. This sounds bad--sorry. The law is the label. If they violated the label, then you have the right to legally pursue them--sadly the burden of the proof is on you and proving that your bees were killed by their spraying Orthene is going to be hard. Make sure you have the days, times, people, and bee populations/hive health documented in a list. Contact your state's Dept of Ag for an inspection, and maybe contact the police too. The secret is to get the most documentation officially, as you can. Then when it comes to law and lawyers, you will have some evidence--if you want to go that route. David Green has experience in this. Have you contacted him? Keep everyone informed if you have the time. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From honeybs@radix.net Tue Aug 10 21:41:01 EDT 1999 Article: 20184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.aros.net!xmission!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about killing wasps and hornets (and other insects). Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:52:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 50 Message-ID: <7ooue1$nps$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20184 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:156 dh_ld@yahoo.com (David) wrote: > There have been occasions when I've killed >wasps or hornets that have come into my home, >etc. Sometimes (often) the initial blow does not >kill the poor animals, but leaves them twitching >and apparently suffering. In an effort to relieve >their pain as quickly as possible, I have tried >cutting their heads off. That has never done >the job of shutting them down though, and I >soon learned that crushing the mid section (the >thorax?) is what kills them completely. I've >wondered why that is the way to end the job >for many years. Is their brain in that part of their >body? Do they even have a brain? >Thank you for any reply! >David The "brain" in a bee is located in the head and is primarily associated with the eyes (sight) and antennas (smell). The Suboesophageal Ganglion is also locatyed in the head and controls the movement of the head appendages. The thorax has two Ganglions that control movements of the legs and wings. The abdomen contains 5 Ganglions,one for each segment. The first segment of the abdomen is controled by the second Ganglion in the thorax. All of the Ganglion are connected by a main nerve like our spinal cord. Each Ganglion is in itself a little brain center. That is why you can cut the head off and the bee keeps moving. When you crush the thorax movement seems to stop because there is no leg or wing movement. As to if an insect can feel pain, who knows? It is rather doubtful. We have a very sensitive nervous system for pain. Most animals don't. There is no purpose for a bee to be able to detect pain so why develope it? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From shuston@riverace.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking for 1+gal. top hive feeders Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:59:52 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 31 Message-ID: <37B03058.9437763C@riverace.com> References: <7yMr3.16560$J5.181756@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: +R/lrboo9hemWVt9ILm9LMI1PV/7mdz2936IETynD6o= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 13:59:53 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20185 patty2 wrote: > > I will have to feed my bees soon and don't want to use baggies this > year. (to costly) I have seen someone mention a feeder that fits in the > top empty super, (your add an empty one) then this feeder is filled and > lays on top the racks. The bees come up and eat. It is covered under > the super and then roof so each hive will have it own. It is refillable > and made from a rigid plastic. Does anyone remember where these came > from? I have some 2 gal feeder pails that I got from Betterbee - white plastic pail and there's a hole cut in the cover, into which is placed a circular screen. Fill the pail, invert it so the screen's down, and place over the hole in the inner cover (I put a piece of narrow wood on each side to leave some air space under the bucket). A deep hive body or 2 supers (medium or shallow) is just high enough to cover the pail. The outer cover is placed over the whole thing. Betterbee is at 518-692-9669 (orders toll free 800-632-3379). The feeder pail is item FP1, $4.50. They also have a 1-gal plastic jar feeder, item GJF1, $2.00. I haven't tried it. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From jpa555@aol.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:02 EDT 1999 Article: 20186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Too Dry Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 14:50:31 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810105031.21246.00000069@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20186 I'm a first year beekeeper. What I wanted to know is because of the dry conditions in the north east should I feed the bees? I have 2 hives that are really strong they are both in 2 deep hive bodys and I hae 2 honey super's on each 1 is full and 1 is still undrawn foundation should I feed them to get them to draw the foundation out ? I would love to see a couple days of rain before the goldenrod blooms if it blooms any information will be helpfull Thank you my fellow Bekeepers Jim From hk1beeman@aol.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 15:23:49 GMT References: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20187 >. Then when it comes to law and lawyers, >you will have some evidence--if you want to go that route. > Spoke once again to the farmer this am.Figured it was only right that I give him at least a final chance. "Look, we spray when we have the time" was his response." I dont even know that orthene is dangerous to bees" was the kicker. The Ag pest guys in Raleigh are coming out, There's no way that they can make him pay me anything and it could be 9 months before any test results are back so I guess i'm just S.O.L . At least if they do fine him anything ,the money goes into this county's school system so my kids will kinda be getting something. So tell me this, Why the hell am I wasting my time trying to keep bees and eventually re stock the surounding area ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From nono@nono.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:03 EDT 1999 Article: 20188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Too Dry From: nono@nono.com (John R.) Organization: Your Organization X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <19990810105031.21246.00000069@ng-fk1.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3eZr3.795$lL2.72833@typ12.nn.bcandid.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.98.69.101 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 934305791 216.98.69.101 (Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:23:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:23:11 EDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:23:11 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20188 Since you are wanting the bees to draw out comb in a honey super, I would simply wait until the next honey flow and not go to the expense of feeding just to draw comb. If we were talking about brood combs, I'd say go ahead and feed the bees in order to get those brood combs drawn. John R. In article <19990810105031.21246.00000069@ng-fk1.aol.com>, jpa555@aol.com says... > >I'm a first year beekeeper. What I wanted to know is because of the dry >conditions in the north east should I feed the bees? I have 2 hives that are >really strong they are both in 2 deep hive bodys and I hae 2 honey super's on >each 1 is full and 1 is still undrawn foundation should I feed them to get >them to draw the foundation out ? I would love to see a couple days of rain >before the goldenrod blooms if it blooms any information will be helpfull > Thank you my fellow Bekeepers > > Jim From jesse.hunter@bms.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.197.251.110!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Saturday Entertainment Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:53:41 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 25 Message-ID: <37B06725.E0A00F56@bms.com> References: <19990808151810.25211.00009005@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@140.176.168.99 X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20189 Great show!!!! As I have never retrieved a wild hive, it was interesting seeing some of the steps involved. What do you all do around there when you really get bored? Thanks for the entertainment! Jesse --without the birds and bees, none of us would exist" Dave Green wrote: > What do you think of our entertainment on a 100-degree Saturday? > > Slide Show: > http://www.pollinator.com/wildhive/ > > Dave Green Hemingway, SC > The Pollination Home Page http://www.pollinator.com > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Aug 10 21:41:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 71 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 19:06:40 GMT References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810150640.02817.00000087@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20190 >I looked in the back of the truck and you guessed it there was a half empty >case of orthene. After a little prodding They admitted that yes they were >mixing " the little cans" in with the sucker stuff. I told them about the >bees... They sprayed anyway. > My buck wheat field is right across the street, was in full bloom, I had >bees >hanging out the front of the boxes every night. >That night I didn't have bees hanging. The buckwheat finished it's bloom with >very little seed reproduction. My hives look like early spring ( maybe a 3 >inch >place at the entrance covered with bees ) plenty of larva, plenty of brood, >plenty of young bees, Maybe a double handful of workers. >I usually pull a few supers this time of year to get the buckwheat off before >the clear cotton comes in. I went to do this today. Damn I sure was counting >on >a nice Christmas this year. Kevin, Orthene on tobacco that is normally topped (blossom removed) will not cause you any problem, because the bees aren't there. However, if the spray drifts to blooming crops or weeds that the bees are working, then you have a violation. Go to:http://www.pollinator.com/cotton/index.htm for more info (usually our bee kills come off cotton applications) Thru this you can get a copy of the label. You need to know the formulation. Orthene 75S has this label for bees: " This product is highly toxic to bees exposed to direct treatment or residues on blooming crops or weeds. Do not apply thisproduct or allow it to drift to blooming crops or weeds if bees are visiting the treatment area." So, if this is the product, and it was allowed to drift to your blooming buckwheat, you have a good case. If you warned the guy, and he continued to violate, you have a criminal case, and you can swear out a warrant for his arrest at the magistrate's office. But first make sure you get a thorough investigation from your pesticide enforcement people. Also get your bee inspector there to document the weakness of the bees. >This guy is a local boy, an ya know ya hate to start trouble if'n ya can help >it. But I did tell them. I'd Like to hear from most of ya and i'll probably >print em all out to use if I do something ( Like as other learned opinions). Sounds like he needs an education. He thinks the label is optional. It's up to you to let him know it's not. It's the law. Print out a copy of the flow chart on the above web page and give it to him. Kevin, and others, who have pesticide damage: DON'T LET IT GO BY, with a cynical attitude that you won't get any help. I know that at least 9 of 10 pesticide hits are never reported (because beekeepers don't get much help), but the authorities don't know that. There is a big lobbying push going on right now to weaken the bee protection of the label direction. EPA is being told by many state officials "we don't really have a problem with pesticide losses of bees." HA! You and I know better! But each of you that doesn't report, is giving ammunition to the lobby. -Even if you don't get help on this particular case, it will make a difference in the long run. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From jajwuth@aol.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 19:41:49 GMT References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990810154149.09745.00000399@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20191 Kevin Johnson writes: >So i circled the warning and asked >them to give it to the boss when they got back, also writing that " Please no >spray till at least after 3 pm" I assume the damage would have been less if they followed your request that they spray after 3pm. I guess because your bees are less active after 3pm. In dealing with neighbours I usually write up a note and send it over. If I don't get the requested compliance I send over a second request. I realize your situation is more urgent. Al From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anybody try plastic hives from Dabur? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:50:18 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7opstj$b2u@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh5-port87.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20192 This month's Bee Culture has an ad for plastic hives and frames from a company called Dabur (UK) Ltd. The prices look good, I've wanted to experiment with the plastic frames and foundation, and I hate painting woodenware. Has anybody had any dealings with this company? Is the hive thick enough to provide insulation? Does the UV in sunlight just make it brittle? Any experience with this company, or with plastic hive bodies in general would be appreciated. I use plastic bottom boards and outter covers with good results (bottom boards are thinner than I'd like, but are passable with a good stand). Thanks In Advance Robert From pollinator@aol.comnospam Tue Aug 10 21:41:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 44 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 20:58:49 GMT References: <19990809132318.24259.00004875@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810165849.22577.00000248@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20193 From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) >Do bees go to a preferred or closest nectar source. >How does the beekeeper direct bees to herb patch to make specialty honey. >I saw on TV where bees can be trained to go to a specific nectar source. This >technique is used for bee scenes in movies etc. >Also I understand that bees are attracted to golden rod. Isn't that the plant >that is the scourage of allergy sufferers..Most want to rid their garden or >property of it. Al, the only way you'll get goldenrod pollen in your nasal passages is to stick the flower up your nose. This showy flower is falsely blamed for the allergies caused by ragweed, which is quite inconspicuous. Ragweed pollen is designed for wind dispersal, and it can travel scores, even hundreds of miles. Goldenrod pollen is designed for insect dispersal, and it is heavy and sticky. It cannot become airbourne (well, maybe Hurricane Hugo did a little bit, but I rather doubt it). If you want herbal honeys you have to find (or plant) large acreages of the herb. You can't really get much from a backyard planting. In the spring there are hundreds of acres of anise hyssop (mint family) growing wild in the fields until they are cut. But the distinctive flavor was only identifiable in a small amount of our honey. The bees worked it furiously, but it was still lost in the mix of dozens of spring flowers that bloomed at the same time. The purest honey I know of, in eastern USA, is orange blossom, and that is only in a good year. In a poor year, they find a lot of other weeds to work. In some areas, goldenrod can be such a strong flow that you can get pretty pure (almost white) goldenrod, but again, only on a good year. We label quite a bit of our honey as blackberry, because of the distinctive taste that takes over, when the bees mix it with other mild honeys. A lot is probably 50% or less. (We cover ourselves by stating on the label "Blackberry blossoms, and other spring flowers.") Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From starrzippy@aol.com Tue Aug 10 21:41:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: starrzippy@aol.com (Starrzippy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 20:59:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810165937.16170.00000249@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20194 I apologize at the start! While doing my Master Gardener course this year, a gentlemen recommended making a "mason" bee box. 6 X 4 box, with holes drilled in them, and then paper rolled up and put in the boxes. Well, finally, we have bees (don't know if they are mason or not) living in the box. I thought Masons had blue bodies, and are pretty small. These guys are mostly black with yellow-orangish bottoms. LOL. Sorry, don't know how else to put it. They are definately not yellow-jackets, bumble bees, honey bees. Anyway, I stand there and watch them, they are non agressive, and busy setting up the box. My question is this, will they survive during the winter? The box is sitting on a pole about five feet off the ground. I would like to be able to keep them where they are, but if they all die this year, I won't have them next. Will they lay eggs and start over again next year, even if they all die? Will only the eggs survive? Or will they all die, including eggs? Sorry to be so long winded, but I have a tenth acre garden, small orchard, and small greenhouse/garden area and welcome all pollinators, of course! I would love to keep ~all~ my little bee friends around, but really want the masons since they do so much more work than the others. Thanks for any help! So glad to find this group! --Sparrow From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 21:41:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:49:25 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7oq4ul$n8t$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-106.verapamil.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 934319893 23837 62.136.92.106 (10 Aug 1999 21:18:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 21:18:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20195 Graham Jones wrote in message <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... >It is a common fallacy that British Bumble Bees do not sting. If you try >hard enough, they will sting you. I have tried countless times to move >Bumbles rather than destroy them, and I have indeed been stung doing it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Agreed - I should have said that they will not normally attack unless seriously provoked. I have moved many nests and have only been stung once whilst picking up the nest. Bumble bees are, of course, often used for pollination in greenhouses (or tunnels) and it is possible to work all around the 'hives' without any fear of being attacked. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 21:41:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!193.190.198.38!news.belnet.be!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:14:57 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7oq4un$n8t$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-106.verapamil.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 934319895 23837 62.136.92.106 (10 Aug 1999 21:18:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 21:18:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20196 Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com>... >"Look, we spray when we have the time" was his response." I dont even know that >orthene is dangerous to bees" was the kicker. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- Very sorry to hear this news - and surprised that you do not have easier legal redress. I had always thought that you were ahead of us in this respect. Here in the UK we seem to have very few problems as the law has been tightened considerably and there have been successful court cases where the beekeeper has won. We have a system where local beekeeping associations can appoint Spray Liaison Officers and it is a requirement that 48 hours warning be given to the local officer before spraying chemicals dangerous to bees so that he can warn beekeepers who have apiaries within flying range (it is up to beekeepers to let their officer know where they keep their bees). This spring I was notified by a farmer that his spray contractor would be spraying a field of rape (in full flower) beside one of my apiaries next morning on the advice of his agronomist; I contacted my Spray Liaison Officer who is also a farmer and he was able not only to convince the farmer that he was breaking the 48 hour rule, but also that the advice he had been given was incorrect and that he would be wasting his money by spraying that particular chemical at that time. So no spray and no damage. It seems to me, with no knowledge of your legal system, that you need to lobby for better laws; there must be a very large number of beekeepers in the US - can you mobilise them? From honeybs@radix.net Tue Aug 10 21:41:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 21:39:09 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7oq7r2$a9t$4@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20197 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >So tell me this, Why the hell am I wasting my time trying to keep bees and >eventually re stock the surounding area ? >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Because it is what we do and who we are. Besides, it beats working for a living! Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 21:41:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about killing wasps and hornets (and other insects). Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:15:16 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7oq8b8$1ro$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> <7ooue1$nps$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-173.sigrene-small-fish.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 934323368 1912 62.136.201.173 (10 Aug 1999 22:16:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:16:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20198 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:157 . There is no purpose for a bee to be > able to detect pain so why develope it? > A bee experiences pain as a threat to its integrity Mary the Beekeeper From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 21:41:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!207.138.35.59.MISMATCH!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:16:54 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7oq8e9$1uf$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-173.sigrene-small-fish.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 934323465 1999 62.136.201.173 (10 Aug 1999 22:17:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:17:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20199 Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... > A sensible answer, Mary, except that I am not sure about the protection - > can you give details of the relevant law? I believe it's the Wild Life and Countryside Act but can't remember the date. I have it somewhere ..... Mary > > > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Tue Aug 10 21:41:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: picking up a bee Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:27:13 GMT References: <19990809112358.12825.00000659@ng-fb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810182713.05190.00000413@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20200 My fingertips are sore but I will get it down yet. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Tue Aug 10 21:41:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:20:32 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7oq8l3$24f$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-173.sigrene-small-fish.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 934323683 2191 62.136.201.173 (10 Aug 1999 22:21:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Aug 1999 22:21:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20201 > It is a common fallacy that British Bumble Bees do not sting. If you try > hard enough, they will sting you. I have tried countless times to move > Bumbles rather than destroy them, and I have indeed been stung doing it. Yes, but if you are stung by a bumble bee you have really provoked it. You (and I) have threatened their nest when moving it, of course they defend it. But it takes an awful lot to get any Bombus in UK to sting. Mary From calin@ozemail.com.au Thu Aug 12 08:04:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:37:08 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 55 Message-ID: <37B0C5B3.22015716@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990810165937.16170.00000249@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 934331860 21677 203.63.79.234 (11 Aug 1999 00:37:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 1999 00:37:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20202 I am no expert on the subject but I borrowed a book about bees several years ago that explained a lot about ALL the bees. The book was aimed at the lay person so intimate knowledge insects or beekeeping was not a pre-requisite. I can't for the life of me remember the name of the book. I dare say there are several others that cover the same ground. You might find them in some of the bigger libraries. The book raised several points that might answer your questions. 1) There are 35,000 species of bees known to science. (yes I DO mean 35K) That means for every species of mammal on the planet, there are 10 (TEN) species of bees. 2) The vast majority of bees are solitary. A single female bee works entirely on her own. She lays an single egg in some form of chamber and stores enough pollen and nectar for the larvae when it hatches. She then seals the chamber starts all over again with another chamber adjacent to or close the the previous one. Her own adult life may be only a few short weeks. When the larvae hatch, it eats the stored food and then goes to some kind of suspended animation for most of the year until the right season arrives for them to pupate and emerge as adults. For many of these species, there adult life co-incides with the flowering season of a particular plant. The adults live fast and furious during that time (just a few weeks) and then die. However before they die there is another generating waiting "in cold storage" until the same season next year. In your case, the bees may appear to die off and not survive the winter but I wouldn't worry. The larvae will be there where you can't see them. 3) Solitary bees can be divided into 4 behavioural groups a) Miner bees. They build their nests by digging into the ground b) Mason bees. They build nests by mixing mud with saliva to from a very hard form of masonry. Before the masonry sets, they mould it into hollow shape to from an egg chamber. c) Leafcutter bees. They "build" a nest or chamber in available hollows spaces. These spaces are usually in some form of new or old timber. Although they do not create the original chamber, the will line it with plant material (particularly leaf material) that they have chewed off from nearby plants. d) Carpenter bees. These are large bees and they have jaws that can chew into timber the create their own chambers. With in each of these groups, there are many different species. They come in all shapes, colour and sizes. Your blocks of timber are more likely to attract leafcutter bees rather than the masonry bees. I have a beekeeping friend who does the same but on a grander scale. He uses several blocks of timber and with different sizes of hole. Some blocks are up high (hanging from the eaves) and other are down low near the ground. His point is that each species of leafcutter bees prefers a different kind of hollow and he tries to attract as many as he can. From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Aug 12 08:04:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 00:55:11 GMT References: <19990810204102.22567.00000373@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810205511.05221.00000320@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20203 Could you also elaborate on where you are at? Geographically. My understanding, >from a friend who sells mason bee blocks, here in the PNW mason bee block are outside from March until mid Sept then you take them down and put them in the garage, until next march. They should be installed on the South side of a building or facing south for most sun exposure. Hope this helps Laura From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 12 08:04:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:34:06 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <7oqi35$1mv$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oq4ul$n8t$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20204 "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Graham Jones wrote in message <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>It is a common fallacy that British Bumble Bees do not sting. If you try >>hard enough, they will sting you. I have tried countless times to move >>Bumbles rather than destroy them, and I have indeed been stung doing it. >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >------------ >Agreed - I should have said that they will not normally attack unless >seriously provoked. I have moved many nests and have only been stung once >whilst picking up the nest. >Bumble bees are, of course, often used for pollination in greenhouses (or >tunnels) and it is possible to work all around the 'hives' without any fear >of being attacked. Our, U.S., Yellow Knoched bumblebee is like that. I dug one up once with no protection and wasn't stung once. BTW don't you Brits call them Humble Bees? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From pollinator@aol.comnospam Thu Aug 12 08:04:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 00:41:02 GMT References: <19990810165937.16170.00000249@ng-cg1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810204102.22567.00000373@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20205 From: starrzippy@aol.com (Starrzippy) >I apologize at the start! While doing my Master Gardener course this year, a >gentlemen recommended making a "mason" bee box. 6 X 4 box, with holes drilled >in them, and then paper rolled up and put in the boxes. Well, finally, we >have >bees (don't know if they are mason or not) living in the box. I thought >Masons >had blue bodies, and are pretty small. These guys are mostly black with >yellow-orangish bottoms. LOL. Sorry, don't know how else to put it. They are >definately not yellow-jackets, bumble bees, honey bees. Anyway, I stand there >and watch them, they are non agressive, and busy setting up the box. My >question is this, will they survive during the winter? The box is sitting on >a >pole about five feet off the ground. I would like to be able to keep them >where >they are, but if they all die this year, I won't have them next. Will they >lay >eggs and start over again next year, even if they all die? Will only the eggs >survive? Or will they all die, including eggs? Sorry to be so long winded, >but >I have a tenth acre garden, small orchard, and small greenhouse/garden area >and >welcome all pollinators, of course! I would love to keep ~all~ my little bee >friends around, but really want the masons since they do so much more work >than >the others. Sparrow, there are hundreds of species of solitary bees, of which mason bees are only one. Actually mason bees would be dormant by now in the US. So you have another species of solitary bee (or possibly wasp). All are beneficial. I would take down the nest when really cold weather sets in, and protect it >from the worst winter weather, unless you are in a mild climate. But do keep it cold, or the "nestlings" will hatch too soon. Each hole will have some babies in it (probably pupae by fall) ready to emerge in the spring (or the normal time for that species). The adults will all die. You need to provide another nest in the spring, so you can build population. Also renew the paper tubes on the old one, after they emerge, so they won't get a buildup of toxins and funguses. You also may have to contend with fire ants (depending on where you are) and parasitic wasps. Can you take any pictures and post them to a web site, or to aol's garden archives? I'd love to see some closeups. Check out some of the "alternative pollinator" websites linked below. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From honeybs@radix.net Thu Aug 12 08:04:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about killing wasps and hornets (and other insects). Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:49:22 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: <7oqivo$1mv$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> <7ooue1$nps$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oq8b8$1ro$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20206 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:158 "Mary Fisher" wrote: >. >There is no purpose for a bee to be >> able to detect pain so why develope it? >> >A bee experiences pain as a threat to its integrity >Mary the Beekeeper On what do you base this? A colony is a sum of its parts. The parts are bees of course, therefore any threats are not to the individual but to the colony. A bee stings defending the colony not itself. The colony has integrity not the bee. Detecting pain would be harmful to the colony. If in defending the colony a bee felt pain it would stop! That is why we feel pain so we know when to stop before we get hurt. Everything in nature can be reduced to duplicating its DNA. That is the nature of the grand design. Nothing else matters. Bees are driven by this principle in everything they do. We tend to try to give our bees far too many human traits .Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From hrogers@arkansas.net Thu Aug 12 08:04:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: thinking of starting Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:09:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7oqlvp$bo6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.107 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 11 02:09:05 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.107 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20207 "John" wrote: > Hi everyone, > I live in Mississauga, Ontario, Canada. What area of land does one need to > set up as a bee keeper? Can it be done in a town? Should it? > What sort of cost are involved? > > -- > John Allen > KLaM > Custom Software for Small Business > mailto: admin@klamsystems.com > ---------------------------------------------------------- Hi, John -- The answers to your questions would be really involved. Your best bet is to visit with a beekeeper in your area. If you are thinking about a couple of hives as a hobby, it can be done in town as long as they are place where they and your neighbors will not bother each other. In this area a full size established colony sells for about $100 Packages may be a safer way for you to go after you read everything you can get your hands on, regarding beekeeping. Good Luck --- Pete So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From riverockt@aol.com Thu Aug 12 08:04:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: riverockt@aol.com (Riverockt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee and nectar source Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 03:43:53 GMT References: <19990809182504.28104.00010620@ng-fh1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990810234353.07902.00000366@ng-bk1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20208 MayBEE these modern day medical brain childs should take a few minutes away >from their sci-fi wonder drugs. And see what nature has been offering since its existance. The Indians survived some how without without little pill bottles From flanders@probe.net Thu Aug 12 08:04:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: flanders@probe.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does mead taste like? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:27:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7os18q$99t$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990807191746.21500.00004431@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.159.51 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Aug 11 14:27:52 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x23.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.154.159.51 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDnemaha Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20209 >jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: Could any body describe to me what mead tastes like? Is it sweet tasting? Does the local liquor store carry it? Are they likely to say what the heck is that? Only the largest liquor retailers in my area (Nebraska)stock mead, and the few brands they carry are sickeningly sweet. But two eastern Nebraska wineries both produce meads because their vineyards do not produce enough wine grapes to meet demand. The Nebr. Beekeepers Association's August meeting this Saturday will be held at one of them, the James Arthur Vinyard just north of Lincoln. My personal experience is that the taste of meads varies as much as the taste of other wines; many are lousy and some are very good. We didn't like our first homebrewed batch of "pure" mead (only honey, water, and champagne yeast) but really enjoyed the last 5-gallon batch made with honey and unpasteurized apple juice. (I think the proper term for this is "cyser," but I may be wrong.) Both, incidentally, were allowed to ferment completely and are quite dry. >Is there any claimed health benefits from it like other products of the hive? I've read the term "honeymoon" is derived from an old English practice of the bride drinking mead for the first month after the wedding in order to produce a son. I suppose opinions would vary as to whether this is a "benefit" (referring to the son, not the drunken bride...) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From CIrwin@novell.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:04 EDT 1999 Article: 20210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37B1E016.701EAAD@novell.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:41:59 -0600 From: Chuck Irwin Organization: Novell, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees & horses and mules Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.65.92.58 Lines: 11 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!attbt1!ip.att.net!news.provo.novell.com!137.65.92.58 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20210 I need to move my hive because I sold my house where the hive currently lives. My new house sits across from a pasture where 2 horses and a couple of mules are periodically boarded. What, if any, issues are there with a beehive sharing the same pasture as the animals? Anything I should do to protect the bees and the horses? Thanks Chuck Irwin Weekend Beekeeper From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:05 EDT 1999 Article: 20211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees....how'd I get rid of them? Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:36:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7osn9o$oee$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37a8b2de.2148800@news.btinternet.com> <7ocjsj$ep0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <7od0ln$r1a$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <37ab3d86.34289501@news.btinternet.com> <7oi8i3$g35$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7on7uu$o70$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oq4ul$n8t$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oqi35$1mv$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.thinker.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 934404216 25038 62.136.107.81 (11 Aug 1999 20:43:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 1999 20:43:36 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20211 >BTW don't you Brits call them Humble Bees? > >Greg the beekeep ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------> > Could ask you the same question! Some do, but I must admit that I only came across the name Humble Bee in recent years - they have always been Bumble bees to me. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solitary bees Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:42:35 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7osn9q$oee$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.thinker.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 934404218 25038 62.136.107.81 (11 Aug 1999 20:43:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 1999 20:43:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20212 Does anyone know of books on solitary bees - preferably of the UK? I have tried IBRA but they have nothing. I know of an old book by Shuckard but there are very few copies around and there seem to be no modern ones. From renfrow@skylands.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:06 EDT 1999 Article: 20213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.27!nntp2.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!ip-51.skylands.net!user From: renfrow@skylands.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mead recipes & links Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:43:37 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-L8p8OXboelF2UCOkSHa7YeWTXKAOXqW7EGOWAaU3aQbgw4mpsWGI2bZ6R0Z86yaDvWvevfHYIwLax/z!n6wRTwr7oqc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:47:44 -0400 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20213 Hello! I've posted some historic mead recipes to http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/sample.html plus links to many mead related sites (some with recipes) at http://members.aol.com/renfrowcm/links.html Enjoy! Cindy Renfrow renfrow@skylands.net Author & Publisher of "Take a Thousand Eggs or More, A Collection of 15th Century Recipes" and "A Sip Through Time, A Collection of Old Brewing Recipes" http://www.alcasoft.com/renfrow/ From bobpursley@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:07 EDT 1999 Article: 20214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees & horses and mules Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 21:58:23 GMT References: <37B1E016.701EAAD@novell.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990811175823.28837.00000054@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20214 In article <37B1E016.701EAAD@novell.com>, Chuck Irwin writes: > >What, if any, issues are there with a beehive sharing the same pasture >as the animals? Anything I should do to protect the bees and the horses? > Some horses are alergic to bees. As a minumim, I would put an electric fence around the hives, 20 feet in each direction. From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question about killing wasps and hornets (and other insects). Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:43:55 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7osucv$mv0$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <37afc6d7.511705162@news.mindspring.com> <7ooue1$nps$1@news1.Radix.Net> <7oq8b8$1ro$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7oqivo$1mv$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-94.neptunium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 934411487 23520 62.136.46.94 (11 Aug 1999 22:44:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Aug 1999 22:44:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20215 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:159 > > We tend to try to give our bees far too many human traits Don't include me in your 'We'. Anthropomorphism is not one of my characteristics. Mary. The Beekeeper From starrzippy@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:08 EDT 1999 Article: 20216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: starrzippy@aol.com (Starrzippy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 22:52:40 GMT References: <37B0C5B3.22015716@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811185240.28986.00000346@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20216 Wow! Thanks Chris for all your wonderful help! You are very knowledgable! >From your post I found out we have a leaf cutting bee in the box. She, I hope, constantly is taking in green grass looking material into the holes. Guess the masons are out of season and we attracted a whole another one! Yikes, I didn't realize there were so many bees!! WOW! I may get to my library and check out some books, although the information on this forum is spectacular enough! However, I have told my husband that next year, I want to do my part and keep some honey bees. I am aware of their severe mite problem and would love to lend a hand to keeping them safe and productive. For this winter, however, I will be learning and reading and continuing with my box projects. We will also attempt to do like your friend and build boxes for different levels and from eaves. Thanks again for the tip and for taking the time to answer my questions! Your help has been great and my little bees thank you too!!! Sparrow From starrzippy@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:09 EDT 1999 Article: 20217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: starrzippy@aol.com (Starrzippy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Okay, if this is a really dumb question, Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Aug 1999 22:57:44 GMT References: <19990810205511.05221.00000320@ng-fl1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811185744.28986.00000355@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20217 >Could you also elaborate on where you are at? Hi Laura! We are in North Idaho, PNW. The gentlemen who told me about Mason bees was quite experienced in gardening and attracting them. He handed out the information on the box making in a class on attracting bees and butterflies to the garden. But, LOL, I guess we got another kind of bee. Of course, with our land we have all types of bees fluttering around. I intentionally planted Oregano, Comfrey, Bee Balm, etc to attract them so our orchard and vegetable garden could be pollinated. Now if they would just get to those cucumbers which all the bees seem to ignore! They are too busy bumping into each other on the bee balm and oregano. LOL I will be taking their box down this winter and because of the super response in this forum, will be making more boxes next year and hopefully getting into honey bees. Thanks again Laura for all your help! Sparrow From ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!not-for-mail From: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com (Charlie Kroeger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com Message-ID: <37b210d4.31383823@news.cidial.com> References: <7op17n$ik1$1@saltmine.radix.net> <19990810112349.21847.00000064@ng-fc1.aol.com> <7oq4un$n8t$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:14:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.11.203.21 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 934417144 38.11.203.21 (Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:19:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:19:04 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20218 >Here in the UK we seem to have very few problems as the law has been >tightened considerably and there have been successful court cases where the >beekeeper has won. Here's one answer: - Between 1988 and 1995, not one of the more than 65 bills introduced to strengthen federal (U.S.A.) pesticide regulations passed. Source: The League of Conservation Voters (LCV) http://www.lcv.org/ Charles Kroeger From Graham@beefarm.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:10 EDT 1999 Article: 20219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.tli.de!newscore.gigabell.net!newscore.ipf.de!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Graham Jones" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble (or Humble) Bees Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:03:05 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7ot34i$qfk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-28.mifepristone.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 934416338 27124 62.136.79.156 (12 Aug 1999 00:05:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 00:05:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20219 In the course of my work, I have in the past removed many Bumble nests for people who "just cannot put up with them". I no longer do this. I found that it is people's fear of the unknown that makes them want the bumbles destroyed or moved. I now educate people who contact me about bumbles, and usually find they are surprised at just how long the bumbles have been present before they were discovered. After having their mind put at rest they always decide to leave them in peace. Mostly, bumbles are found in compost heaps in the Spring. When I say it's best to leave them alone the usual reply is, "Fine, I didn't want to do the gardening anyway" Incedently, I am not aware of any legislation that protects bumbles, and would be glad of the details as I know of certain unscrupulous pest control companies who do kill bumbles, in one case for £150. They told the elderly customer that the bumbles were extremely dangerous Graham From docosc@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:11 EDT 1999 Article: 20220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: docosc@aol.com (DocOsc) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for beekeepers in western VA Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:02:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811210250.15258.00000189@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20220 I live in Timberville VA (near Harrisonburg, home the JMU Dukes) and would like to start keeping bees. I have read a couple of books on the subject and the only thing they seem to agree on is that you need to watch an experienced beekeeper in action to get the hang of it. Since i don't know any, I thought I'd try this NG to make contact. You can email me at docosc@aol.com. Thanks! Chris & Erika Ashton, Joe & Lexi docosc@aol.com "Maybe it's the dancer, Or maybe it's the dance the dancer dances" From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packing for sale Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:06:41 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7ot6h1$tmg$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-78.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934419809 30416 209.130.165.78 (12 Aug 1999 01:03:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:03:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20221 I've always thought its the packaging that sells the product! IMO if you can get $8 - 9 /pound, I'd say you found your "niche" marketing :-). Clever idea...go for it! --Busybee dewitt wrote in message <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net>... > I have received enough free glasses to pack all the honey for sale that I >have been able to get. My questions are as follows. > >1.) the glasses look like very fancy jelly jars. >2.) They have a "snap on lid" >3.) The lid will not seal if the container were to tip. >4.) They hold one pound with about 1/2 inch clearance on top >5.) Since they look like the jelly jars my mother used to put up grape jelly >in. I was thinking of capping with about 1/4 inch of beeswax then putting >the snap on lid on, much the way mom used to put up her preserves. > >Has anyone tried this? Any reason not to seal with beeswax? Taking it a >step further I was thinking of using a negative stamp of a honey bee on top >of the wax. It makes a really good looking presentation that I have shown to >friends ( some of whom are buyers for non food stores) and they all say it >looks "really special" with a follow up question they claim to spend up to >$8 or $9 for a pound in this packaging. Granted a survey of only 25 but not >bad at 2/3 that price. > >Any comments? > > From s022kds@mail.wright.edu Fri Aug 13 05:44:12 EDT 1999 Article: 20222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!192.232.20.2!malgudi.oar.net!news.wright.edu!discover.wright.edu!s022kds From: KENDAL SMUCKER Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees hanging out on front of hive Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:27 -0400 Organization: Wright State University Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <37af859c.16846764@nntp.usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: discover.wright.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: mercury.wright.edu 934420050 32284 130.108.128.35 (12 Aug 1999 01:07:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: support@wright.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:07:30 GMT In-Reply-To: <37af859c.16846764@nntp.usit.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20222 On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, it was written: > Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:06:27 GMT > From: gfdavis@usit.net" > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: bees hanging out on front of hive > > I have a 2 year old hive that I should have split this spring ,but I > waited to late and they swarmed. I caught them and put them in a new > hive a ways off from the existing hive, but they went back to the old > hive I think and swarmed again a couple days later and went up in the > top of a tree and eventually swarmed off to were I couldn't get to > them. The ones left behind didn't seem to active for a while , but > have started to draw cone now , but they seem to hang on the front of > the hive alot. Is this a problem ? I plan on splitting this hive the > first of March of next year. I live in the southwest part of Va. > GD > Dear GD: Re: losing the swarm. Next time, if you have the opportunity, put a frame with open brood (eggs & larvae) in with the swarm. They'll never leave your or forsake you. Re: bees hanging out. Try doing an ether roll. When was the last time you used Apistan strips in your hives? They may be hanging out from heat, but I doubt it, since they likely have plenty of space in the hive. A good possibility is that they are so stressed out from mites (either varroa or tracheal) that they just go outside. Kendal D. Smucker School of Graduate Studies Wright State University From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Aug 13 05:44:13 EDT 1999 Article: 20223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ripped off the news wire Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:15:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811211514.28089.00000150@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20223 VILLAHERMOSA, Mexico (AP) - A fisherman was killed Wednesday morning by a swarm of killer bees in the Gulf state of Tabasco, local authorities reported. Jose Alvarez, 40, and his three children - aged 6, 8, and 9 - were attacked while fishing in the La Iguana River, 45 miles northwest of Villahermosa, the state capital, civil protection deputy director Roberto Lopez Romero said. The children escaped by jumping in the river. But Alvarez did not follow them. Wednesday's incident came a day after another killer bee attack left 60 injured in the central state of Nayarit. Nayarit authorities said the attack was the most serious in a series of killer bee attacks over the past few days. The bees are dangerous because they are so aggressive when protecting their hives. They began moving north after a Brazilian laboratory accidentally released them in 1956. Several people in the southern United States have been killed by them. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From muskokie@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: muskokie@aol.com (MUSKOKIE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:19:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811211918.28982.00000491@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20224 I am thinking of putting a couple of hives in my pasture and would like to take advantage of any gray hairs that I can. If you have any suggestions for me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Nathan From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Aug 13 05:44:14 EDT 1999 Article: 20225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees & horses and mules Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:46:36 GMT References: <19990811175823.28837.00000054@ngol08.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811214636.08251.00000311@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20225 In article <37B1E016.701EAAD@novell.com>, Chuck Irwin writes: > >What, if any, issues are there with a beehive sharing the same pasture >as the animals? Anything I should do to protect the bees and the horses? In a cow pasture the bees are pretty much ignored, though sometimes a cow will scratch herself against a hive and knock it over. But horses go crazy, if they are stung. Cows will move away, but horses just get wild. Honeybees can, and have, killed horses, especially when a hive is knocked over. So don't put bees and horses in the same pasture. If you have no other choice, run a fence around the hives to keep them apart. I don't know about mules, but suspect they'd be more like horses than cows. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Aug 13 05:44:15 EDT 1999 Article: 20226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for beekeepers in western VA Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 01:49:54 GMT References: <19990811210250.15258.00000189@ng-co1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811214954.08251.00000314@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20226 From: docosc@aol.com (DocOsc) >I live in Timberville VA (near Harrisonburg, home the JMU Dukes) and would >like >to start keeping bees. I have read a couple of books on the subject and the >only thing they seem to agree on is that you need to watch an experienced >beekeeper in action to get the hang of it. Since i don't know any, I thought >I'd try this NG to make contact. You can email me at docosc@aol.com. Betcha George Kelly at the Dadant branch warehouse in Lynchburg knows 'em all. He'd be a good person for you to know as well, since he sells supplies and equipment. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:16 EDT 1999 Article: 20227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 03:10:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7otdub$9uf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990811211918.28982.00000491@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 12 03:10:08 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20227 muskokie@aol.com (MUSKOKIE) wrote: > I am thinking of putting a couple of hives in my pasture and would like to take advantage of any gray hairs that I can. If you have any suggestions for me I would appreciate it. > Thanks, > Nathan -------------------------------------------------- No problem, Nathan -- Be sure you have a fench around the hives to keep the livestock from bumping and turning them over. Along a fence with trees or bushes to give some partial shade would help. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hrogers@arkansas.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:17 EDT 1999 Article: 20228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packing for sale Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 03:34:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7otfcl$ar5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.12.1.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 12 03:34:45 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.12.1.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20228 , "dewitt" wrote: > I have received enough free glasses to pack all the honey for sale that I have been able to get. My questions are as follows. > 1.) the glasses look like very fancy jelly jars. > 2.) They have a "snap on lid" > 3.) The lid will not seal if the container were to tip. > 4.) They hold one pound with about 1/2 inch clearance on top > 5.) Since they look like the jelly jars my mother used to put up grape jelly in. I was thinking of capping with about 1/4 inch of beeswax then putting the snap on lid on, much the way mom used to put up her preserves. Has anyone tried this? Any reason not to seal with beeswax? Taking it a step further I was thinking of using a negative stamp of a honey bee on top of the wax. It makes a really good looking presentation that I have shown to> friends ( some of whom are buyers for non food stores) and they all say it> looks "really special" with a follow up question they claim to spend up to $8 or $9 for a pound in this packaging. Granted a survey of only 25 but not bad at 2/3 that price. > > Any comments? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi dewitt -- Go for it! The beeswax on top might get a little costly but at that price, who cares ?! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From tim_jk@my-deja.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: tim_jk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: looking for 1+gal. top hive feeders Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 03:36:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <7otffv$at1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7yMr3.16560$J5.181756@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com> <37B03058.9437763C@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.95.83 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Aug 12 03:36:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x31.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.95.83 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDtim_jk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20229 Another Idea... I bought some 1 gal paint cans at the home center. I can fill them up and carry them to the hives by the handle. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From muskokie@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:18 EDT 1999 Article: 20230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: muskokie@aol.com (MUSKOKIE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wannabe beekeeper in eastern Oklahoma Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 03:07:04 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990811230704.28982.00000584@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20230 Howdy folks, just looking for any advice for a family thinking about putting a couple of hives out in the pasture. Any tips would be appreciated. I would also like to talk to any other beekeepers in the northeast Oklahoma area to get some specific questions answered regarding beekeeping in this area of the country. Thanks, Nathan From muskokie@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:19 EDT 1999 Article: 20231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: muskokie@aol.com (MUSKOKIE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 04:04:47 GMT References: <7otdub$9uf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990812000447.28985.00000623@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20231 Pete, Thanks for the help. We have 13 dwarf goats and I have to fence off anything that they would be able to jump on. So that would be a neccessity. Nathan>No problem, Nathan -- >Be sure you have a fench around the hives to keep the livestock from >bumping and turning them over. Along a fence with trees or bushes to >give some partial shade would help. > > Pete >So much to learn - So little time ! > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > From cde049@airmail.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:20 EDT 1999 Article: 20232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!138.26.64.2.MISMATCH!juniper.cis.uab.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!newsfeed.mco!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!news-fra.pop.de!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Packing for sale Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:12:10 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7ot50j$84i@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Wed Aug 11 19:37:39 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: ![*XO1k-Vhi:b-# (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20232 I have received enough free glasses to pack all the honey for sale that I have been able to get. My questions are as follows. 1.) the glasses look like very fancy jelly jars. 2.) They have a "snap on lid" 3.) The lid will not seal if the container were to tip. 4.) They hold one pound with about 1/2 inch clearance on top 5.) Since they look like the jelly jars my mother used to put up grape jelly in. I was thinking of capping with about 1/4 inch of beeswax then putting the snap on lid on, much the way mom used to put up her preserves. Has anyone tried this? Any reason not to seal with beeswax? Taking it a step further I was thinking of using a negative stamp of a honey bee on top of the wax. It makes a really good looking presentation that I have shown to friends ( some of whom are buyers for non food stores) and they all say it looks "really special" with a follow up question they claim to spend up to $8 or $9 for a pound in this packaging. Granted a survey of only 25 but not bad at 2/3 that price. Any comments? From junee.apiaries@interact.net.au Fri Aug 13 05:44:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!nsw.nntp.telstra.net!203.24.245.65.MISMATCH!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees & horses and mules Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:31:47 +1000 Organization: InterACT Wagga http://www.wagga.interact.net.au/ Lines: 34 Message-ID: <934428645.265710@wheat.wag.interact.net.au> References: <19990811175823.28837.00000054@ngol08.aol.com> <19990811214636.08251.00000311@ng-da1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wheat.wag.interact.net.au X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Post-Path: wheat.wag.interact.net.au!unknown@as1-38.wag.interact.net.au X-Server: FirewallSafe 3.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20233 For what it's worth I have seen bees attack horses 500 - 700m from the hives, this was the closest the horses could get to the hives, but when the horses stayed further away the bees seemed to leave them alone Dave Green wrote in message news:19990811214636.08251.00000311@ng-da1.aol.com... > In article <37B1E016.701EAAD@novell.com>, Chuck Irwin > writes: > > > > >What, if any, issues are there with a beehive sharing the same pasture > >as the animals? Anything I should do to protect the bees and the horses? > > In a cow pasture the bees are pretty much ignored, though sometimes a cow > will scratch herself against a hive and knock it over. But horses go crazy, if > they are stung. Cows will move away, but horses just get wild. Honeybees can, > and have, killed horses, especially when a hive is knocked over. > > So don't put bees and horses in the same pasture. If you have no other > choice, run a fence around the hives to keep them apart. I don't know about > mules, but suspect they'd be more like horses than cows. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From ernie@nospamwhro.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:21 EDT 1999 Article: 20234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: Looking for beekeepers in western VA Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990811210250.15258.00000189@ng-co1.aol.com> <19990811214954.08251.00000314@ng-da1.aol.com> Message-ID: <01bee4a3$06eab5c0$1ca24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:15:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.28 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 934449346 198.76.162.28 (Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:15:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:15:46 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20234 10-4 and he's got a bulletin board in the front of the place with just about anything a person could want second hand. Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > Betcha George Kelly at the Dadant branch warehouse in Lynchburg knows 'em > all. He'd be a good person for you to know as well, since he sells supplies and > equipment. From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:22 EDT 1999 Article: 20235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: buying products from the hive Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 13:48:08 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990812094808.23918.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20235 How come you hear from the newsgroup that commercial beekeepers only get say 85cents per lb for honey. Yet as a consumer if you go to the store you can pay $7 or $8 a lb. I saw a worse rip off than that at a Health food store. How can the consumer buy direct to get a quality product and let the beekeeper get a better price also.. How much does shipping cost add to product cost. Is it also possible to buy direct and get the quality gourmet honey,. Al From john@klamsystems.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:23 EDT 1999 Article: 20236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net!not-for-mail From: "John" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7osn9q$oee$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Solitary bees Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2918.2701 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2918.2701 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:05:11 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.186.227.157 X-Trace: NewsRead.Toronto.iSTAR.net 934466722 137.186.227.157 (Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:05:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:05:22 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20236 I found some info in MS Encarta. There were some references in that artical. I don't have access to Encarta today, my daughter has pinced it, otherwise I would pass them on. When, if, I get it back soon I will pass on the references via this NG. john Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7osn9q$oee$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk... > From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:24 EDT 1999 Article: 20237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 14:04:19 GMT References: <7oq7r2$a9t$4@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990812100419.13254.00000009@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20237 Greg writes: >Besides, it beats working for a living! > Could you please expand on this or perhaps others could comment on it. For the potential return it seems to me there may be quite bit of work. Is it because your working outdoors and with nature that it does not seem like work. That would appeal to me. Al From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Aug 13 05:44:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 14:55:17 GMT References: <19990812100419.13254.00000009@ngol07.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990812105517.11668.00000033@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20238 From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) >>Besides, it beats working for a living! >> >Could you please expand on this or perhaps others could comment on it. For >the >potential return it seems to me there may be quite bit of work. Is it because >your working outdoors and with nature that it does not seem like work. That >would appeal to me. >Al It's so much fun it doesn't SEEM like work. We are among the lucky few that look forward to Monday morning..... (although I wish Monday morning would be 90 degrees instead of 100!) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From allend@internode.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:25 EDT 1999 Article: 20239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: RE: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:25:34 -0600 Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <000c01bee4d6$ec3ce2a0$02000003@allend> References: <01bee4a3$bae00bc0$1ca24cc6@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: postnews.dejanews.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <01bee4a3$bae00bc0$1ca24cc6@default> Importance: Normal X-DejaID: _4DlqxQENhe6pkDhhb/n+XQ= Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20239 > If it's just cattle, you might want to put each hive in the middle of a > wooden pallet as the cattle don't like stepping on them and will usually > leave them alone. We have four on a pallet in many pastures and seldom have any disturbed. Single hives on normal floors are usually okay around cattle, as well. Any problems usually are with horses, or dairy cattle. Normal beef will usually not bother hives unless they are placed too close together for the cattle to walk through, or unless they are hit by spooked cattle stampeding in the dark. allen Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From CIrwin@novell.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:26 EDT 1999 Article: 20240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37B2FD4D.FB781FA@novell.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:58:53 -0600 From: Chuck Irwin Organization: Novell, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packing for sale References: <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net> <7otfcl$ar5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 137.65.92.58 Lines: 38 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!attbt1!ip.att.net!news.provo.novell.com!137.65.92.58 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20240 I am not a Martha Stewart junkie, but I did catch part of an episode where she did something similar with jams/jellies. Pete wrote: > , > "dewitt" wrote: > > I have received enough free glasses to pack all the honey for sale > that I have been able to get. My questions are as follows. > > > 1.) the glasses look like very fancy jelly jars. > > 2.) They have a "snap on lid" > > 3.) The lid will not seal if the container were to tip. > > 4.) They hold one pound with about 1/2 inch clearance on top > > 5.) Since they look like the jelly jars my mother used to put up grape > jelly in. I was thinking of capping with about 1/4 inch of beeswax then > putting the snap on lid on, much the way mom used to put up her > preserves. Has anyone tried this? Any reason not to seal with beeswax? > Taking it a step further I was thinking of using a negative stamp of a > honey bee on top of the wax. It makes a really good looking presentation > that I have shown to> friends ( some of whom are buyers for non food > stores) and they all say it> looks "really special" with a follow up > question they claim to spend up to $8 or $9 for a pound in this > packaging. Granted a survey of only 25 but not bad at 2/3 that price. > > > > Any comments? > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi dewitt -- > Go for it! The beeswax on top might get a little costly > but at that price, who cares ?! > Pete > > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************** > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Eclipse Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:41:33 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 6 Message-ID: <7ovbjj$80t$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.clown.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 934490547 8221 62.136.109.224 (12 Aug 1999 20:42:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 20:42:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20241 Every other NG I read has l-o-n-g discussions about the effects on their particular subject. How refreshing not to read about it here. Mary From jajwuth@aol.com Fri Aug 13 05:44:27 EDT 1999 Article: 20242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeping-USA south Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 21:02:33 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990812170233.14672.00000113@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20242 How long is the beekeeping season in the American South. I'm thinking of Texas and Louisiana. According to the critics the movie The Apostle(written and directed by Robert Duvall) captured the essence of the American south. Judging >from the movie it looks like nice country with an interesting atmosphere. Is it a good area for beekeeping.. Al From beecrofter@aol.comBee Fri Aug 13 05:44:28 EDT 1999 Article: 20243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying products from the hive Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 22:00:06 GMT References: <19990812094808.23918.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990812180006.25821.00000222@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20243 >s it also >possible to buy direct and get the quality gourmet honey,. There is a beekeeper within non toll call distance darn near everywhere in the USA-direct should not be a problem you just have to look. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From ernie@nospamwhro.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Ernie Scofield" Subject: Re: New wannabe beekeeper in E. Oklahoma Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990811211918.28982.00000491@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7otdub$9uf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Message-ID: <01bee4a3$bae00bc0$1ca24cc6@default> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:20:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.28 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 934449647 198.76.162.28 (Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:20:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:20:47 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20244 Hello Nathan, If it's just cattle, you might want to put each hive in the middle of a wooden pallet as the cattle don't like stepping on them and will usually leave them alone. -- Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach, Virginia USA > Be sure you have a fench around the hives to keep the livestock from > bumping and turning them over. Along a fence with trees or bushes to > give some partial shade would help. From Mary@38smv.freeserve.co.uk Fri Aug 13 05:44:29 EDT 1999 Article: 20245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Mary Fisher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble (or Humble) Bees Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:39:12 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7ovbf6$7sp$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7ot34i$qfk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.clown.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 934490406 8089 62.136.109.224 (12 Aug 1999 20:40:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 20:40:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20245 Graham Jones wrote in message news:7ot34i$qfk$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk... Great! they always say they don't mind but they have a dog ... or grandchildren ... or some other excuse. I say they're flying teddy bears and give them a lecture on the natural history of bumble bees. they are too, too precious to destroy. Mary > In the course of my work, I have in the past removed many Bumble nests for > people who "just cannot put up with them". I no longer do this. I found > that it is people's fear of the unknown that makes them want the bumbles > destroyed or moved. I now educate people who contact me about bumbles, and > usually find they are surprised at just how long the bumbles have been > present before they were discovered. After having their mind put at rest > they always decide to leave them in peace. Mostly, bumbles are found in > compost heaps in the Spring. When I say it's best to leave them alone the > usual reply is, "Fine, I didn't want to do the gardening anyway" > Incedently, I am not aware of any legislation that protects bumbles, and > would be glad of the details as I know of certain unscrupulous pest control > companies who do kill bumbles, in one case for £150. They told the elderly > customer that the bumbles were extremely dangerous > > Graham > > From BEE-L@listserv.albany.edu Fri Aug 13 05:44:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: PESTICIDES-what can we do? Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:11:59 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 51 Message-ID: <37B346AF.85CA1D76@club-internet.fr> Reply-To: Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology NNTP-Posting-Host: tours-8-246.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front7.grolier.fr 934492825 16171 195.36.212.246 (12 Aug 1999 21:20:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Aug 1999 21:20:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20246 Hello World, It appears to me that there are more and more problems associated with pesticides when allied to bee damage. What can we as a globally connected group do? Regarding the activities of pesticides/herbicides, 1.What is the global loss to beekeepers in revenue( honey, other bee products). 2.What is the global loss to beekeepers when having to replace hives, frames etc. 3.What is the global loss in the Agricultural domain from the pre mentioned losses? These questions may be/ may not be calculated- but what is sure is that there is a great loss and inconvenience to both sides. What are the factors in place that should ensure that problems do not occur? It appears to me that Agricultural/ Chemical/ Governmental organisations are not really aware of the consequences of bee loss, or they don't care! - when the actualities are looked at. BUT at the same time such bodies publicly state that they DO care.The difference between what is stated and what is actually happening is worlds apart. WHY? To me it seems that the controls and controlling agencies are not strong enough. If they are not strong enough or not following the regulations- who's fault? I suggest that pesticides/Herbicides that are put foreword for commercial use must in the future have undergo tests(wether or not they are liable to come into direct or indirect contact with bees, as this one of the loopholes used by producers of substances to get out of testing product toxicity on bees) The tests must be undertaken by wholly independent laboratories and their results submitted to a global commission who with the aid of 5 sub-committees( covering the 5 continents). This commission would then recommend or not on the use of the proposed product. It would then be easy to see if National governments are representing the people who put them in place, or if that are bending to the lobby power of the inter-national companies. PIPE DREAMING OR POSSIBILITY? Any thoughts on how to advance with this problem are welcome Peter. From honeybs@radix.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:30 EDT 1999 Article: 20247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:28:18 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7ovjfi$agi$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7oq7r2$a9t$4@news1.Radix.Net> <19990812100419.13254.00000009@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20247 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > Greg writes: >>Besides, it beats working for a living! >> >Could you please expand on this or perhaps others could comment on it. For the >potential return it seems to me there may be quite bit of work. Is it because >your working outdoors and with nature that it does not seem like work. That >would appeal to me. >Al Well for the most part, I enjoy what I do so much that it doesn't feel like a job. My kids say "Daddy doesn't have a job, he's a beekeeper." Now that they have good non-alcoholic beer; what other job allows you to ride around the countryside drinking beer and visiting your apiaries? But the part that I love the most is watching the traffic reports in the morning and knowing "I'm at work!" I ain't rich but I'm damn happy. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:31 EDT 1999 Article: 20248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:33:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7ovjpd$agi$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p2.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20248 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Ladies and gents I'd really like your opinion on this matter. >This guy is a local boy, an ya know ya hate to start trouble if'n ya can help >it. But I did tell them. I'd Like to hear from most of ya and i'll probably >print em all out to use if I do something ( Like as other learned opinions). >Thanks Very Much >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC This is just a thought but is there any new corn in tassel? There is a new variety that produces toxic pollen to kill the corn worm. It was discovered that drifting pollen killed Monarch catapillers on nearby milkweed. It was never tested with bees! Bees will work corn for its low grade pollen. Just a thought. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From cde049@airmail.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Packing for sale Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:39:06 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 11 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <7ovjjv$1o3@library2.airnews.net> References: <34583780DADE38C4.30EF10569EE03CD3.C045850C7E860D1B@lp.airnews.net> <7otfcl$ar5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37B2FD4D.FB781FA@novell.com> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Thu Aug 12 17:59:11 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !XAfQ1k-X/a**PO (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20249 Chuck Irwin wrote in message news:37B2FD4D.FB781FA@novell.com... > I am not a Martha Stewart junkie, but I did catch part of an episode where > she did something similar with jams/jellies. > Personally I couldn't have a nicer comparison. IT IS A GOOD THING. cliff From beebiz@frontiernet.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:32 EDT 1999 Article: 20250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying products from the hive Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:37:22 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7ovp6s$1hei$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990812094808.23918.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-55.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 934504476 50642 209.130.165.55 (13 Aug 1999 00:34:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Aug 1999 00:34:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20250 Yep...if only the American consumer only knew the half of it! Best way to buy any agricultural commodity would be to go directly to the source. Better price and quality. We are able to sell bulk honey (U bring your own clean containers) for $1.00/lb. We make close to .40 cents over market and the consumer saves mucho $$$ over buying it in the grocery/health food store. No middlemen or jar costs but consumer needs to be willing to drive out to our honey house (some drive 30 miles for 1 - 2 pounds)! BUT they say it is the best they have EVER tasted and the drive out was nice they say. Trying not too hard to pull a muscle for patting myself on the back...I would consider our honey to be "gourmet" if you knew how much blended low quality honey goes into some packaged store-bought "honey". --Busybee Jajwuth wrote in message <19990812094808.23918.00000013@ngol01.aol.com>... >How come you hear from the newsgroup that commercial beekeepers only get say >85cents per lb for honey. Yet as a consumer if you go to the store you can pay >$7 or $8 a lb. I saw a worse rip off than that at a Health food store. How can >the consumer buy direct to get a quality product and let the beekeeper get a >better price also.. How much does shipping cost add to product cost. Is it also >possible to buy direct and get the quality gourmet honey,. >Al From dvisrael@earthlink.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:33 EDT 1999 Article: 20251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: workerbee Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: buying products from the hive Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:23:49 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <19990812094808.23918.00000013@ngol01.aol.com> To: Jajwuth X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 13 Aug 1999 00:28:09 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Thu Aug 12 17:35:12 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 11 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust120.tnt2.dca2.da.uu.net Message-ID: <37B36595.50A1@earthlink.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20251 Jajwuth wrote: > > How come you hear from the newsgroup that commercial beekeepers only get say > 85cents per lb for honey. Yet as a consumer if you go to the store you can pay > $7 or $8 a lb. I saw a worse rip off than that at a Health food store. How can > the consumer buy direct to get a quality product and let the beekeeper get a > better price also.. How much does shipping cost add to product cost. Is it also > possible to buy direct and get the quality gourmet honey,. > Al For the same reason watermelon farmers sell their melons for a nickle a pound and the stores sell it for 79 cents a lb. From honeybs@radix.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!newshost.lanl.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping-USA south Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:22:28 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7ovq5l$q3j$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990812170233.14672.00000113@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20252 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >How long is the beekeeping season in the American South. I'm thinking of >Texas and Louisiana. According to the critics the movie The Apostle(written and >directed by Robert Duvall) captured the essence of the American south. Judging >from the movie it looks like nice country with an interesting atmosphere. Is it >a good area for beekeeping.. >Al That's where the east's package bees are all raised. I' can't say much about the beekeeping but you can't beat that "Southern Hospitality" that makes you feel at home. They know how to fry up some good heart attack type foods to like laced cornbread and fried ockra and you never leave the table hungry. They don't know how to cook seafood though. They boil everything until it's soggy. You have to come to Maryland where they know how to steam shrimp and crabs. Their warm water oysters leave much to be desired. Our Chesapeake oysters don't really get good until January or February. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From pollinator@aol.comnospam Fri Aug 13 05:44:34 EDT 1999 Article: 20253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.239.227!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beekeeping-USA south Lines: 61 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Aug 1999 23:51:13 GMT References: <19990812170233.14672.00000113@ngol02.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990812195113.23012.00000257@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:20253 From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) >How long is the beekeeping season in the American South. I'm thinking of >Texas and Louisiana. According to the critics the movie The Apostle(written >and >directed by Robert Duvall) captured the essence of the American south. >Judging >from the movie it looks like nice country with an interesting atmosphere. Is >it >a good area for beekeeping.. >Al Except for Florida, the beekeeping season in the south is quite short, mainly in the spring. Most of your commercial beekeepers are either migratory (going north by late spring) or they have a specialty like queens/packages/varietal honeys or pollination. If you are trying to make a living with beekeeping, the south makes some unique challenges. Hundred degree days, barren pine forests, cotton spraying, drought, and now afrobeetles are some. If you want to make a living from honey production, I'd try for that in the north, though a few Florida beekeepers manage to get by on 3 or 4 flows per year, with orange blossom being the premium one. You'd think honey production would be better in the south, but the primary US honey source, clover, is marginal in hot areas. And remember the farther north you go the longer are those summer days. Some of the biggest honey crops in the world are made in northern Canada and Siberia, where bees have almost 24 hour days to work. If you are seriously thinking about moving, remember that you will have to pay for an education, either from other willing beekeeper mentors, or in "The University of the Seat of the Pants." Northern methods and nectar sources are different, and you will have to adapt. Learning just where and how to do so will not happen in one season. Oftentimes you can accomplish a lot with the bees by migrating short distances to follow the season (gererally from the coast to upland). I hope I'm not discouraging you; there are opportunities, if you are willing to work and learn. But go into it with eyes wide open. As far as the non-beekeeping aspects, people are generally friendly, except for a few that are still fighting an old war. Summers are long and HOT, and springs, falls and winters are invigorating. The economy is pretty good, except for some depressed areas. (Actually, for beekeeping, you might want to choose a depressed area, because the cost of living is less.) The south is losing some of its traditional character, as immigrants move in >from the north (lottsa retirees), from Mexico, and from Asia. It's rapidly becoming a melting pot, like the rest of America has always been. The rapid growth brings problems and challenges heritage, but it also is an importation of economic resources (mainly from the north) and ambition (mainly from abroad). Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From mlamana@bestweb.net Fri Aug 13 05:44:35 EDT 1999 Article: 20254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.monger.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "Mike LaMana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990810003752.07061.00009300@ng-fy1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Big Johnson Pestacide Kill Lines: 47 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: