Article 30648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding Check Mite strips to the Hive. Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:37:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.ga.home.com 1007239046 24.248.135.205 (Sat, 01 Dec 2001 12:37:26 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 12:37:26 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.ga.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30648 Hello All I am in Middle Georgia and we are still having 70deg. days. My bees are still active and colleting pollen. When I inspected the hive last weekend I found some uncapped honey and a small amount of capped brood as well as some brood at the larval stage. Does this all sound normal. Is it too late to add check mite strips? I am going into my second winter with my bees. Working on my own with the help of books and this NG. I have not been able to find a beekeepers group around here. Thank you. David A. Article 30649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Candle mold problem Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:44:51 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:50:25 -0600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeeds-atl2!newsfeeds-atl1.usenetserver.com!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30649 My wife has a Poly candle mold that worked fine for the first 6 candles .. then it has become increasing hard to get the candle out. Now we are litterly peeling it off the candle. We washed mold with soap and water several times We bought silicon mold release .. made it worse We washed mold with soap and water several times We tried Pam .. made it worse The mold sticks so tightly to the wax we have to break candle to get it out. this was an expensive mold .. ideas? Dave Article 30650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ruary Rudd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20011130151340.27146.00000035@mb-mu.aol.com> Subject: Re: Feeding Sugar Candy Lines: 15 Organization: Westgate, waterville X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <7UkO7.14609$8s4.64215@news.indigo.ie> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 07:35:28 -0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.134.157.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eircom.net X-Trace: news.indigo.ie 1007278723 159.134.157.251 (Sun, 02 Dec 2001 07:38:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 07:38:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30650 Yes Ruary Rudd BeeCrofter wrote in message news:20011130151340.27146.00000035@mb-mu.aol.com... > Given the prolonged warm spell I think I am going to want to feed the bees and > would like to try candy. > Any pointers out there? I have the kitchen all to myself this weekend. > Is the 12345 formula sufficient? 1 pint water 5 lbs sugar brought to 234 > degrees f? Article 30651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding Sugar Candy Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:48:52 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3c0a14d8.250159751@news1.radix.net> References: <20011130151340.27146.00000035@mb-mu.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30651 On 30 Nov 2001 20:13:40 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >Given the prolonged warm spell I think I am going to want to feed the bees and >would like to try candy. >Any pointers out there? I have the kitchen all to myself this weekend. >Is the 12345 formula sufficient? 1 pint water 5 lbs sugar brought to 234 >degrees f? > And it will all have to be individually wrapped or the queen won't let them eat it. beekeep Article 30652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Hughes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Colonies wanted Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.255.97.46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr17.news.prodigy.com 1007301784 ST000 209.255.97.46 (Sun, 02 Dec 2001 09:03:04 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 09:03:04 EST Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: [[PAPDCAOP^C@EL]\K@BLFTBGR_N@ATM[@GZ_GYO^BSZUSAANVUEAE[YETZPIWWI[FCIZA^NBFXZ_D[BFNTCNVPDTNTKHWXKB@X^B_OCJLPZ@ET_O[G\XSG@E\G[ZKVLBL^CJINM@I_KVIOR\T_M_AW_M[_BWU_HFA_]@A_A^SGFAUDE_DFTMQPFWVW[QPJN Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:03:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr17.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30652 Looking to purchase colonies in west Tennessee or north Ms. Article 30653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dubees@enter.net (Andrew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax candles FS Date: 2 Dec 2001 14:19:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <89d43b09.0112021419.781bf1c0@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.18.9.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1007331549 30183 127.0.0.1 (2 Dec 2001 22:19:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 2001 22:19:09 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30653 http://www.dubees.com Du-Bees Apiaries Article 30654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C0C480B.9DF5F307@home.com> From: Gary Johns X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Candle mold problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 03:50:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.254.198.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.denver1.co.home.com 1007437819 24.254.198.231 (Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:50:19 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:50:19 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.denver1.co.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30654 Dave Hamilton wrote: > My wife has a Poly candle mold that worked fine for the first 6 > candles .. then it has become increasing hard to get the candle out. > Now we are litterly peeling it off the candle. > > We washed mold with soap and water several times > We bought silicon mold release .. made it worse > We washed mold with soap and water several times > We tried Pam .. made it worse > > The mold sticks so tightly to the wax we have to break candle to get > it out. > > this was an expensive mold .. > > ideas? > > Dave Dave, How long are you letting your candles set up? I wait 30 minutes before I try to pull my candles out. I leave about 2" of wick on the end so I can wrap my finger around it and pull. I've also put my molds in the freezer for the last 10 minutes in order to help the wax to set a little harder. I make mostly 8 & 10" tapers. Gary J. Article 30655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Candle mold problem Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <3C0C480B.9DF5F307@home.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:16:20 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.255.227.5 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1007464588 62.255.227.5 (Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:16:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:16:28 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30655 On Tue, 04 Dec 2001 03:50:19 GMT, Gary Johns wrote: > > >Dave Hamilton wrote: > >> My wife has a Poly candle mold that worked fine for the first 6 >> candles .. then it has become increasing hard to get the candle out. >> Now we are litterly peeling it off the candle. >> >> We washed mold with soap and water several times >> We bought silicon mold release .. made it worse >> We washed mold with soap and water several times >> We tried Pam .. made it worse >> >> The mold sticks so tightly to the wax we have to break candle to get >> it out. >> >> this was an expensive mold .. >> >> ideas? >> >> Dave > >Dave, > >How long are you letting your candles set up? I wait 30 minutes before I >try to pull my candles out. I leave about 2" of wick on the end so I can >wrap my finger around it and pull. I've also put my molds in the freezer >for the last 10 minutes in order to help the wax to set a little harder. >I make mostly 8 & 10" tapers. > >Gary J. If the wax you poor into the moulds is 'too hot' it can damage the inside of the mould, causing small cracks, which provide a 'key' for the wax to grip to. Smearing a *very* small amount of washing up liquid all over the inner surfaces *can* help removal. I've found, unfortunately, that many moulds just don't last very long, especially the latex type, which gradually stretch, and then perish. Perhaps a longer time for setting might allow the candle to shrink a bit more? -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: candle mold material Date: 4 Dec 2001 04:37:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <344b9345.0112040437.a2d35ab@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1007469434 3695 127.0.0.1 (4 Dec 2001 12:37:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 2001 12:37:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30656 If i want to make a mold myself what would be the best material to use? Will wood or clay work ok? Thanks, Andrey. Article 30657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bee projekt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Russian bees Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 14:03:32 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.242.10.86 X-Trace: 1007471499 dread04.news.tele.dk 29636 62.242.10.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30657 Is there any new experience white the mite resistant Russian bees from US? Flemming Rasmussen Reva Northwest Reva Northwest. Bee Department. Bispevej 25. 2400 Copenhagen nv. Denmark. Phone: 38325074. Article 30658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Russian bees Lines: 55 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:31:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 1007476290 66.31.162.107 (Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:31:30 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:31:30 EST Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30658 "Bee projekt" wrote in message news:3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk... > Is there any new experience white the mite resistant Russian bees from US? > > Flemming Rasmussen > > Reva Northwest Reva Northwest. Bee Department. Bispevej 25. 2400 Copenhagen > nv. Denmark. Phone: 38325074. This was my 3rd season with bees, and I run 4 colonies, so I'm not terribly experienced, and I have a small sample size, but... I tried 2 colonies Russian and 2 colonies New World Carniolan this year (I've had all NWC before this). I was hoping for better mite performance (though I've no real complaint about the NWC either). All my hives have screened bottoms with sticky board. I do 24 hour mite drop count every month to monitor. All 4 were low all year (I think I had no more than 20 mites in any colony) but the Russians were usually the lowest. When I put Apistan in September, I also did 24 hour count, and the NWC were lowest, but not significantly. So, I saw no significant difference in mite counts (they were all quite good). The Russian colonies built up quite well and collected honey well also (though not quite as good as the NWC). So performance-wise, they were close to my NWC. The negative points from my view... the strongest of my 2 Russian colonies swarmed mid-August. Mega swarm. The remaining bees never got a queen through to be mated (I saw 8-10 queen cells, hatched, but never any brood). I ended up combining them with the other Russian colony. I have cleared the supers for honey collection using an escape in the inner cover, under the supers. The Russians were very quick to begin swarm cells when separated from the queen by the board. This may have triggered the August swarm, but there was no brood in the supers. Just an idea... Also, I found the Russians to be quite defensive. I was used to working my NWC in a short sleeve shirt with just my veil. I got hammered by the Russians as soon as the colony grew to a decent size. Now I have a full bee suit and won't open a Russian colony without it on. After working the Russian colonies, bees would continue to harrass anyone walking anywhere in our yard for the rest of the day. Not just in the fall either. Since I live in a neighborhood with neighbors within 200ft on all sides, and I don't find it enjoyable to be covered with angry bees, my Russian colony will be requeened to NWC next spring. YMMV. -Steve Article 30659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Vandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Candle mold problem Message-ID: <7m8o0u4svsohgbgbq1vld2i28ggfp43j54@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 10:50:58 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.67.247.29 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1007481620 206.67.247.29 (Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:00:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:00:20 EST Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30659 On Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:50:25 -0600, Dave Hamilton wrote: >The mold sticks so tightly to the wax we have to break candle to get >it out. =20 Once the wax is fully set, loosen the mold parts if it comes in parts held by clamps or screws. Dip the whole mold with candle in very hot water just for an instant. This should cause the outer layer of wax to free from the mold. If the mold is metal, the problem may be a result of a roughening of the surfaces and should be polished over or buffed. I don't have any ideas on how to smooth surfaces on plastic or glass molds. Any chance you are pouring too hot? I used to have problems with molds seizing if the wax was heated too hot. I had better luck when wax was heated just enough to pour. Article 30660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beeswax candles FS Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:13:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3c0b7a73.60163216@news1.radix.net> References: <89d43b09.0112021419.781bf1c0@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30660 On 2 Dec 2001 14:19:08 -0800, dubees@enter.net (Andrew) wrote: >http://www.dubees.com > >Du-Bees Apiaries I could go for a good dubee. beekeep Article 30661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <903564178.1007358955862.JavaMail.usenet@eresmas.com> From: "AnСnimo" Subject: hhhhhhhh Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 2 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 06:55:55 +0100 (CET) NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.110.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eresmas.com X-Trace: news-reader.eresmas.com 1007358956 192.168.110.101 (Mon, 03 Dec 2001 06:55:56 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 06:55:56 MET Organization: eresMas Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.online.be!ams.uu.net!phobos.ibnetwork.net!seanews1.seabone.net!garse!news-feeder.eresmas.com!news-reader.eresmas.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30661 kkkkkkkk Article 30662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Hirst" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: candle mold material Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:19:45 -0000 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9ujbb2$nm3$1@uranium.btinternet.com> References: <344b9345.0112040437.a2d35ab@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-72-152.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30662 Liquid Latex and thickener from craft shops, chose an object paint on several coats when fully dry peel off. "Andrey" wrote in message news:344b9345.0112040437.a2d35ab@posting.google.com... > If i want to make a mold myself what would be the best material to > use? Will wood or clay work ok? > > Thanks, > Andrey. Article 30663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Dec 2001 03:48:53 GMT References: <9ujbb2$nm3$1@uranium.btinternet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: candle mold material Message-ID: <20011204224853.22463.00000866@mb-mc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30663 Plaster of paris works just fine for 2 piece split molds Article 30664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: candle mold material Date: 5 Dec 2001 04:53:32 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 1 Message-ID: <344b9345.0112050453.3a7f1eba@posting.google.com> References: <9ujbb2$nm3$1@uranium.btinternet.com> <20011204224853.22463.00000866@mb-mc.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1007556812 4498 127.0.0.1 (5 Dec 2001 12:53:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2001 12:53:32 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30664 Thanks for reply. Article 30665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: 5 Dec 2001 15:41:53 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9um0qh$f39$1@panix1.panix.com> References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1007584913 10195 166.84.1.1 (5 Dec 2001 20:41:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 2001 20:41:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!news.panix.com!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30665 Hi. We're looking at Russian lines from Glenn Apiaries http://members.aol.com/queenb95/web/home.html crossed with other lines showing varying mite tolerance. These are II crosses. Not much data yet but they seem to combine well. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Vincenc Petruna" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive scales Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Organization: ARNES Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01c17e60$00689a60$8e08f9c2@ppp.arnes.si> NNTP-Posting-Host: nm4-142i.dial-up.arnes.si X-Trace: planja.arnes.si 1007647596 8938 194.249.8.142 (6 Dec 2001 14:06:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arnes.si NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 14:06:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-hub.siol.net!kanja.arnes.si!planja.arnes.si!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30666 I am looking for elecronic hive scales, with posibility of interfacing with computer or mobile phone. I' be glad of any suggestions, adresses, URL's, etc. Vincenc Petruna Article 30667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: odessa.commerce.transport,relcom.commerce.computers,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites Subject: Re: Запасные части по низким ценам Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 10:02:58 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 58 Message-ID: <9un8tq$1fa$11@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-221.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1007625978 1514 195.64.228.221 (6 Dec 2001 08:06:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Dec 2001 08:06:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu relcom.commerce.computers:192031 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30667 sci.agriculture.fruit:4069 sci.agriculture.poultry:33093 sci.agriculture.ratites:1764 Истомин пишет в сообщении:... > > > ОБЩЕСТВО С ОГРАНИЧЕННОЙ ОТВЕТСТВЕННОСТЬЮ > < А В А Н Т А Ж - А Г Р О > > > > > Украина, г. 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Dig that. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1007751868 1104 166.84.1.3 (7 Dec 2001 19:04:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Dec 2001 19:04:28 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!news.panix.com!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30669 In article <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru>, Viacheslav Sheveliov wrote: >Russian bee and lesser - Italian and Korean bees. Actually, this bee strain >is very heterogeneous. Most bee strains are. Bees are selected by man. Most honey bees are synanthropic--meaning they have changed over time due to direct interaction or association with humans. >Honey production of Far Eastern bees have been formed in conditions of rich >nectar sources, mostly from linden, and can do well in such conditions. >In Primorsky region there are 3 main species of linden with successive >flowering one month long and Far Eastern bees usually produce 50-100 kg of >honey. That's fascinating. When does this Linden flow start? Is the honey of high quality? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jdor Inc." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: If You can Help Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:20:25 -0600 Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.40.220.249 Message-ID: <3c1113fb_2@newsa.ev1.net> X-Trace: newsa.ev1.net 1007752187 216.40.220.249 (7 Dec 2001 13:09:47 -0600) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!newsa.ev1.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30670 If You can Help On Thanksgiving Day My wife and I went for a Ride She was on a 2000 Zx9 I was On A 2001 Gsxr 1000. Around 12:00 pm we entered an intersection(West bound on 114 crossing 377 )in Roanoke Texas(home of texas motor Speedway) The light turned Yellow so I stopped.As I looked over my left shoulder I watched A 2001 Black Isuzu Rodeo Hit my wife(at About 55-65 mph)it launched my wife over 4 lanes a median and another 20-25 ft into the next intersection(she was wearing full gear boots ,gloves'helmet,leathers ect ect) .Witness's said the lady never even put on her brakes.She was taken to baylor hospital in Grapevine Texas. By 10:00 PM they had done several x-Rays cat scans MRI etc Tec..The conclusion was 3 fractured vertebras she stayed in the hospital for 5 more days flat on her back an IV only no food(bowels shut down) on Tues night had back Surgery only fixed 1 vertebra will look at the other 2 in a month might have to go in again. On top of all this I took 1 week off of work and tried to use sick days .They said I couldn't because I wasn't sick(my wife is in the hospital with a broken back and IM no supposed to be with her?)The fired me and in Texas there is nothing that you can do. We got a Lawyer and found out that the injury to others was only $20,000 which is typical for Texas.So that wont even cover the medical expenses Never mind lawyers therapy lost income ect ect. cant sue the person(was 18 year old girl driving mommies car) we would never see a dime So now I stand to lose my house and everything my family has built up because some damn kid cant drive and mommie doesn't have enough coverage. Police reports can be uptained through the Roanoke Police dept.I believe S. Feilder was the officer on the scene. any help would be appreciated Even $1.00 My email is jdor@ev1.net pay pal address is jdor@ev1.net Or address is 2003 Salem St Irving Texas 75061 At this point I dont know what to do no lawyer can get money that isn't there And How can I affor to get her rehab with no money Any help would be appreciated Please check all your own insurance policy's and make sure you have at least $100,000 so this wont happen to you Jeff Ashby Article 30671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <-1277096555.1007760467790.JavaMail.usenet@eresmas.com> From: jorge de la torre martin Subject: eros Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Lines: 2 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:27:47 +0100 (CET) NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.110.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@eresmas.com X-Trace: news-reader.eresmas.com 1007760467 192.168.110.101 (Fri, 07 Dec 2001 22:27:47 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 22:27:47 MET Organization: eresMas Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!area.cu.mi.it!kirk.uli.it!phobos.ibnetwork.net!seanews1.seabone.net!garse!news-feeder.eresmas.com!news-reader.eresmas.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30671 nos quedamos sin judias Article 30672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Viacheslav Sheveliov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 00:35:29 +0300 Organization: COMSTAR Telecommunications Lines: 24 Message-ID: <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d178.p8.col.ru X-Trace: storm.comstar.ru 1007675069 60920 212.248.4.178 (6 Dec 2001 21:44:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@comstar.ru NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Dec 2001 21:44:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!comstar.ru!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30672 Hi! I'm not a beekeeper, I'm only interested. I guess that what Americans call "Russian bees" really are Far Eastern bees, originated from Russian Far East. Most researchers think that this strain was formed mostly from Ukrainian bee, with great influence of Central Russian bee and lesser - Italian and Korean bees. Actually, this bee strain is very heterogeneous. European bees (Apis millifera). Resistance to Varroa mite of this Far Eastern bees can be explained with fact, that occurrence of Varroa on European bees began from Russian Far East (this region is big source of infection, another example - downy mildew on cucurbits). There was no cure for this mite, and perhaps, more than half of Far Eastern bees have died. So, it was natural breeding. Honey production of Far Eastern bees have been formed in conditions of rich nectar sources, mostly from linden, and can do well in such conditions. In Primorsky region there are 3 main species of linden with successive flowering one month long and Far Eastern bees usually produce 50-100 kg of honey. ------ Viacheslav Sheveliov slavash@aha.ru Article 30673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 22:39:14 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 22 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30673 "Adam Finkelstein" wrote in message news:9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com... > > That's fascinating. When does this Linden flow start? Is the honey of high > quality? Little Leaf Linden, Bass Wood, or in the UK Lime trees, mid July in my area of Canada. Produces a delightfully light honey, with a slight green look, with a hint of mint flavour. Worth running around for!! Regards Dave.... ***************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com ***************************** Article 30674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Provider of Propolis Date: 10 Dec 2001 07:02:57 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 1 Message-ID: <49875365.0112100702.38de0a26@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1007996577 25640 127.0.0.1 (10 Dec 2001 15:02:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Dec 2001 15:02:57 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30674 How large quantites are you talking about and what is the prices out there anyway? Article 30675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: wire crimper Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 13:49:54 -0800 Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.8.178 Message-ID: <3c150261_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1008009825 209.23.8.178 (10 Dec 2001 12:43:45 -0600) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C121D51.51BDE28@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey candy References: <7b68f573.0111281846.38e991c3@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 X-Trace: /wLwTfHR1itqM00/L/NWOqVNhC7l1yQp4wnpLTZi1YCntXjpNpruoFqd0RZWYD/WXW2MT9jxjpXf!a28h2DaEXDpPWYkKC+yYodjYypw8xVUZowGZbWUtQs1xMnURlazIcyxTyFHbP4MUScK6wLYX X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:05:45 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 19:05:45 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30676 Lawrence Legg wrote: > > I am interested in knowing if you can make hard candy from honey. > Only thing I have found so far is hard candies from Dadant with a > honey center but these are made from sucrose. Can you heat honey to > the hard crack stage and then make drops from this? I came across an old recipe at the following site: http://www.recipesource.com/desserts/candy/03/rec0304.html I'm going to try it. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Extreme justice is extreme injustice. louise.adderholdt@gte.net | -- Latin legal maxim | Article 30677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive scales From: Allen Dick References: <01c17e60$00689a60$8e08f9c2@ppp.arnes.si> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.06.22 Lines: 26 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 07:48:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.186 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 1007970484 198.161.229.186 (Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:48:04 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 00:48:04 MST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!uunet!dca.uu.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30677 "Vincenc Petruna" posted in news:01c17e60$00689a60$8e08f9c2@ppp.arnes.si: > I am looking for elecronic hive scales, with posibility of interfacing > with computer or mobile phone. > I' be glad of any suggestions, adresses, URL's, etc. > > Vincenc Petruna > Beegadgets is a low traffic group dedicated to such questions. Visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BeeGadgets/ and join if you like. I sent the above question to the BeeGadgets list and got he following reply: --- A hive scale was demonstrated at the recent Apimondia congress help in Durban. The Exhibitor was Mario Schehle from Pretoria. It seems to work using a cell phone so that you can measure the weight remotely from home, visiting the site only when the weight is such that you know the super is full. You might be able to contact him through the Apimondia2001 website. Anton Schehle his father was responsible for the website I believe. regards Eddy Article 30678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C135F62.8BEA6646@sympatico.ca> From: Mike Romain X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive scales References: <01c17e60$00689a60$8e08f9c2@ppp.arnes.si> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 07:56:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.229.209.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1007902374 64.229.209.100 (Sun, 09 Dec 2001 07:52:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 07:52:54 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news1.tor.metronet.ca!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30678 Interesting concept. Hmmm... What part of the world are you in? I am a mobile data communications system designer and run a service company in Canada and could tie an electronic scale into one of my wireless transmitters likely. I set up and service fleets of delivery (dispatched) vehicles using RIM (Research in Motion, http://www.rim.net/ hardware to interface HP Palmtops with office networks. A set of electronic scales should be easy to interface with. Give me an email and we can see what your needs are. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Build and Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: (Updated Sept. 05 with Aug. 2001 Canadian Bush Run photos) http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1161190 Vincenc Petruna wrote: > > I am looking for elecronic hive scales, with posibility of interfacing with > computer or mobile phone. > I' be glad of any suggestions, adresses, URL's, etc. > > Vincenc Petruna Article 30679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wire crimper Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 20:15:06 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: <3c150261_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30679 "huestis" wrote in message news:3c150261_1@corp.newsgroups.com... > Where can one get a good wire crimper? As brushy mountain doesn't seem to > carry them any more. We have them! If you would care to e-mail off list, tell us where you are and I'll quote you. For those who like something different visit our web site. Regards Dave.... ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 30680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: gidombach@at-pharma.com (GiDo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Provider of Propolis Date: 9 Dec 2001 08:48:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.134.253.96 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1007916521 31542 127.0.0.1 (9 Dec 2001 16:48:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Dec 2001 16:48:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30680 Hi, I am looking for a export/import company which could provide me with larger quantities of propolis. Is there anyone out there, who can help me with this information? Giz Article 30681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: audrey.ishizaki@sun.com (audrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie beekeeper question Date: 11 Dec 2001 12:23:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <37411287.0112111223.62162ac9@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.9.25.22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1008102214 3091 127.0.0.1 (11 Dec 2001 20:23:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Dec 2001 20:23:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30681 hi, I'm a new beekeeper in the San Francisco Bay Area. The bees have been living in my backyard for nearly 2 years, but they've only been in a hive for less than a year (they were in a birdhouse before that!). The bees seem healthy. I took a frame (in an observation hive) to my children's school on 7 Nov and brood was hatching then. I also saw a queen cell forming (I've not yet spotted a queen in my hive). My question is regarding ants - should I worry at all about ants invading a hive? audrey ishizaki Article 30682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Viacheslav Sheveliov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:03:21 +0300 Organization: COMSTAR Telecommunications Lines: 175 Message-ID: <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: d036.p9.col.ru X-Trace: storm.comstar.ru 1008105509 20255 212.248.7.36 (11 Dec 2001 21:18:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@comstar.ru NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Dec 2001 21:18:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!comstar.ru!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30682 Hi! Sorry for delayed response, I have many work. Adam Finkelstein пишет в сообщении:9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com... > In article <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru>, > Viacheslav Sheveliov wrote: > >Russian bee and lesser - Italian and Korean bees. Actually, this bee strain > >is very heterogeneous. > > Most bee strains are. Bees are selected by man. Most honey bees > are synanthropic--meaning they have changed over time due to direct > interaction or association with humans. May be, but Far Eastern bees was not included in state program of bee zoning in Soviet times, so no breeding work have been done and was no breeding apiaries offering genuine Far Eastern bees/queens. According to state zoning program, central Russian strain was designed for Far East. Still there are discussions about origin of Far Eastern bees. Most researchers agreed that they are originated mostly from Ukrainian bees (Apis mellifera acervorum). In Primorsky region in mid 19-th century was settled with many Ukrainians, and still there are areas in Primorsky region populated mostly with Ukrainians. So, among Far Eastern bees there are families most relative to Ukrainian bees and ones relative to Russian bees (Apis mellifera mellifera). Russian bees are very aggressive, Ukrainian are less, so bees described by Steve seems are more relative to Russian bees or they are pure central Russian bees. OK, I stop my amateur reasoning and give citation from serious book (sorry for my terrible English) ============================== Bilash G.D., Krivtsov N.I. Breeding of honey bees. - Moscow, Agropromizdat, 1991 - 304 pp. ISBN 5-10-001701-5 Pages 83-85 ----------------- Far Eastern Bees. Those bees can and should be classified as primitive strain, however officially they are not accepted as a strain, despite there are no any serious reason against such decision. They populate territory of Chitinsky, Amursky, Khabarovsky and Primorsky regions, where Far Eastern bee formed as primitive strain from the end of 19-th century till present times as result of excursive crosses of bees introduced by frontiersmen mostly of Ukrainian strain, less - central Russian strain, lesser - yellow and gray Caucasian strain and much lesser - Italian strain, and also as result of natural and artificial selection. As result of heterogeneous origin Far Eastern bees differ from other strains by greater amplitude of variability, however according main characteristics quite answer to conditions of primitive strain (array of specific features, their stabile inheritance from generation to generation, great number of families, which exclude probability of relative crosses in big scale and so on). V.V. Stasevich (1913), known specialist of Far Eastern bee-keeping, considered that Far Eastern bees are product of successful combination of central Russian and Ukrainian bees in conditions of Primorsky region. V. Grudnov (1913) reported, that in Amursky region settlers introduced central Russian bees from Altay, from Perm and Voronezh regions, Ukrainian bees - from Poltava region, and Caucasian bees (most probably, yellow ones) - from northern Caucasus. Caucasian bees badly hibernated here, they was very swarmed (up to 4 swarms, and sometimes 7-8 swarms per family during summer), but was outstanding by honey production. Prominent personality of Far Eastern bee-keeping, one of the founder of Dalpcheltrest G.F. Muryi denoted, that in the Far East gray Caucasian bees was also introduced as well as queens of Italian strain (included ones from Australia). Body of Far Eastern bees is bit smaller than body of central Russian bees. By coloring they divided to pure gray and with yellow stripes on first 2-3 sternites. Size of proboscis is 6.1-6.8 mm. Weight of one day old bee is near 105 mg, queen not laying eggs is 180, laying eggs queen is 230 mg. Bees are moderately defensive (notably less defensive that central Russian bees), more enterprising in finding of food sources and bit sooner switch from worse to better nectar sources (less enterprising, than Caucasian bees). Inclination to honey stealing is moderate. Propolising of hives is light. Cell capping is different - from white through several transitional forms to dark. Cases of "quiet" changing or coexistence of queens are very rarely observed. Well resist to wax moth. Light honey production don't limit, but increase young production. At period of main honey productions bees store honey uniformly - in brood part and in supers. Far Eastern bees are good in hibernating, resistant to Nosema apis, toxicosis from non-floral honey _(what is right English terminology?)_, European foulbrood, but slightly cedes in those characteristics to central Russian bees, and exceed bees of southern strains. Spring development of families begins relatively early and proceeds intensively, however egg production of queens is not high (in the range of 1100-1600 eggs per day, rarely it is 1700-1800). A.P. Volosevich showed, that number of egg tubes and productivity of Ukrainian queens was slightly higher (6.3 and 8.4% respectively), than ones of Far Eastern queens. Supposedly, that decreasing of those characteristics of Far Eastern bees is explained by influence of Caucasian strain (both gray and yellow ones), which productivity remarkably low comparing to central Russian and Ukrainian bees. Probably, thus in Far East splits are widely used, without them over there almost impossible to get big bee families by the time of main honey production. Far Eastern bees quite prune to swarming, but remarkably less than central Russian bees. Before main honey production time up to 50% of families can be in swarm conditions, best way to reduce it is forming of splits. Number of queen cells is differ from 4 to 150, as a rule, gray bees builds less queen cells and less prune to swarming than yellow ones. Far Eastern bees are outstanding in seldom capability to very effectively use strong, exuberant nectar production from linden: accidents described, when family brings during a daytime up to 30-32 kg of nectar, and collects during season (together with отводок) up to 300 kg of honey. Wax productivity of Far Eastern bees is slightly less, than wax productivity of central Russian and remarkably higher than wax productivity of Caucasian bees. Based on multiannual experiments (V.S. Koptev) was established, that Far Eastern bees and their F1 crosses in West Siberian conditions and in conditions of some European regions of Russia collected more honey, than endogenous central Russian bees; in conditions of Adygea - more, than endogenous Kuban bees (S.V. Aref'ev); in Ukraine - more, than families of Ukrainian bees, however ceded them in quantity of young production (A.P. Volosevich). Those bees are rich heterogeneous material for further effective breeding for productivity and other qualities. Long ago have been raised a question about granting them official status of primitive strain. Origin and complex of characteristics, characterizing this group of bees, occupying territory and number of families (several hundreds of thousands), more than earnestly says for such decision. Motivating, according which it was not done earlier and which consists in argument that Far Eastern bees are nothing more than pure descendants of Ukrainian bees, cant stands against any critics. ============================== > >Honey production of Far Eastern bees have been formed in conditions of rich > >nectar sources, mostly from linden, and can do well in such conditions. > >In Primorsky region there are 3 main species of linden with successive > >flowering one month long and Far Eastern bees usually produce 50-100 kg of > >honey. > > That's fascinating. When does this Linden flow start? Is the honey of high > quality? When me and my father visiting my father's school friend near Vladivostok, he complained that ha had no time to take care of bees, to expand haves, he lost several swarms and collected "only 30 kg" per have :-) Honey I eaten was fresh and very aromatic. it seems, that honey lost aroma during extraction. In general linden honey is my favorite. Nowadays Far Eastern and Bashkirian beekeepers fill Russian market with cheap linden honey, which make unprofitable beekeeping in many other regions. Lindens, wich grow in Russian Far East are Tilia taquetii, T. amurensis and T. mandshurica. They bloom from begining to end of July. Less valuable are T. komarovii, T. koreana, T. tomentosa. Linden gives good nectar production at the same place every second year. There is a method of prediction of linden nectar production accordingly with oil content inbranches. > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@panix.com > http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 30683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Dec 2001 23:07:41 GMT References: <37411287.0112111223.62162ac9@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: newbie beekeeper question Message-ID: <20011211180741.12747.00001810@mb-cp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30683 Audrey in the tropics they make hive stands with legs which they place in oil filled cans. I don't like the idea of oil slopping out but I bet soapy water would work too. Article 30684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie beekeeper question Message-ID: References: <37411287.0112111223.62162ac9@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 14:02:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.105.14 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1008165747 4.33.105.14 (Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:02:27 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:02:27 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 06:02:29 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30684 audrey.ishizaki@sun.com (audrey) wrote: >My question is regarding ants - should I worry at all about ants >invading a hive? Bees can normally defend against mild ant problems. However, ants can be a problem if the colony is already weak from some other cause or in extreme infestations. Here in Texas, we have fire ants and it is usually sufficient to keep hives off the ground 6 inches or more. I use landscaping timbers on top of cement blocks. A friend once lost a few hives to ants following a flood that forced many fire ant colonies to seek the safety of high ground around his hives. Other than that, no serious problems. The tiny ants that are sometimes found behind walls of propolis are normally not a significant problem. Use caution with ant killers, so as not to kill the bees too! John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Dec 2001 16:11:31 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: bees for sale Message-ID: <20011212111131.15008.00001875@mb-da.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!teaser.fr!proxad.net!skynet.be!skynet.be!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30685 any uk beekeepers or prospective beekeepers looking to buy bees for next year. please email me Article 30686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David R Carlson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plans for those who like to build their own equipment Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:02:39 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "David R Carlson" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30686 Came acros this site that has tons of plans that you can down-load and or order from. If you look under misc you will find several plans for Hives, solar melter etc. It's part of the North Dakota State University and the USDA. http://www.ag.ndsu.nodak.edu/abeng/plans/ If you Know of any other sites let me know. Thanks Dave Carlson Redding, CA Article 30687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bas Brouwer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Some information for high school thesis Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 19:23:33 +0100 Organization: Kabelfoon B.V. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3C18F225.5D4E99C7@Kabelfoon.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: kf-mss-fp01-210.dial.kabelfoon.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.kabelfoon.nl 1008267999 61719 62.45.32.210 (13 Dec 2001 18:26:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@kabelfoon.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:26:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [nl] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: nl Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!newsfeed.kabelfoon.nl!newsfeed2.kabelfoon.nl!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30687 L.S. To graduate high school in the Netherlands, Dutch students have to write a thesis. I chose bees as a subject. I've been searching for information for a couple of months now, but I haven't found any information on some important subjects. I hope you can answer them. - Why and whereby do bees swarm? - Why and whereby do bees (while swarming, and during the winter) get aggressive and attack the male bees, so that the male bees can't come in anymore? It is an extensive research, so the information I need can't just be found in a book from a library. Thank you in advance, - Angelina Kats Article 30688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Lines: 101 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:21:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.129.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1008289267 12.81.129.19 (Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:21:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:21:07 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30688 We have known for a long time that the eastern honeybee (Apis cerana) has resistance but this is not due to anything the Chinese have done. It is the result of co-evolution and other factors such as a shorter egg-to-emergence cycle. The article mentions "China has eight major races of honeybees - New Zealand one". Well NZ may have one species, but certainly there are many races within that species. Nowhere in the article are the 4 species mentioned, nor is it claimed that the resistant bee in China is Apis mellifera because the author simply did not do any research that is apparent in the text. Poorly presented information. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Carmen" wrote in message news:9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz... > Greetings All > An interesting artcile appeared in a Wellington, New Zealand Newspaper which > may bee of interest. > :) > (Please see below) > It is my view that, if the newspaper article is accurate and China has > eliminated the effects of varroa with > varroa-resistant strains of honeybees. > > Then this is an avenue worth persuing, we would need further information > about the other attributes of the eight types of Bee in China, ie > productivity, temperament etc. > Anyone have any thoughts? > > THE EVENING POST, 8 DEC 2001, > Edition 3, Page 6. > Bee answer lies in China > > THE solution to New Zealand's varroa problem is simple, especially since the > knowledge economy supposedly welcomes new ideas. (The reality is that people > do not want change and prefer to shoot pioneers.) > > The beekeeping industry is the basic epitome of New Zealand society, with 90 > percent of beekeepers living in towns and each owning fewer than 10 hives, > mainly in country areas. New Zealand has one major race of honey bees and no > fresh genetic stock has been imported in living memory. Instead, we have > erected all kinds of costly barriers which are as effective as the actions > of King Canute. > > At great cost, a Guide To Varroa Control has been issued to New Zealand > beekeepers. It purports to sum up overseas control methods, yet omits all > reference to Asia, except Vietnam. > > That the world's largest beekeeping country with the most advanced methods > and research facilities receives not a mention in the MAF handbook is > justified by MAF as being because China has not put its information on the > Internet in English. > > China has eight major races of honeybees - New Zealand one. China has > eliminated the effects of varroa since the late 1980s (20 years ago) and has > varroa-resistant strains of honeybees. > > It is obvious that New Zealand should import varroa-resistant queen bees > from China to the South Island. There is time to do this before varroa takes > over. > > When, two years ago, I suggested this, MAF's reply was that the idea had > merit but that the suggestion should come from the bee industry. > > My own experience of the bee industry is that welcoming new ideas predates > the Treaty Of Waitangi and that the majority are lovely people who have > their main income not in beekeeping. > > It is up to MAF to give leadership - as it once did. The present beekeeping > industry is incapable of innovation and demands handouts so that it can > continue its outdated and failed ways. With fresh stocks available under MAF > control, beekeepers would have a choice - adapt or perish. They are going to > perish anyway with present methods. > > GRAEHAM GAISFORD > > Levin RD > > ╘ Wellington Newspapers Limited 2001, All rights reserved. > > > > > Article 30689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Ulli Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Some information for high school thesis Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:37:15 -0400 Organization: ISINet, Nova Scotia Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3C1A008B.46524E79@hotmail.com> References: <3C18F225.5D4E99C7@Kabelfoon.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 1008337037 9897 129.173.88.206 (14 Dec 2001 13:37:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 13:37:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30689 The know-how to answer your questions is pretty basic knowledge, and can be found in books. Honey bees are extensively studied and there is a lot of information. Maybe the local public library has not stocked those books, but larger ones should have them. Check out Wilson's "Insect Societies", and look for names like Karl von Frisch and Lindauer to start with.. It's your thesis, and you should do the work. Also how would you quote information you gather here, that someone could check the accuracy? Ulli Bas Brouwer wrote: > L.S. > > To graduate high school in the Netherlands, Dutch students have to write > a thesis. I chose bees as a subject. I've been searching for information > for a couple of months now, but I haven't found any information on some > important subjects. I hope you can answer them. > > - Why and whereby do bees swarm? > - Why and whereby do bees (while swarming, and during the winter) get > aggressive and attack the male bees, so that the male bees can't come in > anymore? > > It is an extensive research, so the information I need can't just be > found in a book from a library. > > Thank you in advance, > - Angelina Kats Article 30690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David A." <##daaple@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3C18F225.5D4E99C7@Kabelfoon.nl> Subject: Re: Some information for high school thesis Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:54:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.248.135.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.nash1.tn.home.com 1008352470 24.248.135.205 (Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:54:30 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:54:30 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.nash1.tn.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30690 Hello Bas Have you used Google or any search engine to get this info? Try this site for a start. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~awcannon/swarms.htm David A. Bas Brouwer wrote in message news:3C18F225.5D4E99C7@Kabelfoon.nl... > L.S. > > To graduate high school in the Netherlands, Dutch students have to write > a thesis. I chose bees as a subject. I've been searching for information > for a couple of months now, but I haven't found any information on some > important subjects. I hope you can answer them. > > - Why and whereby do bees swarm? > - Why and whereby do bees (while swarming, and during the winter) get > aggressive and attack the male bees, so that the male bees can't come in > anymore? > > It is an extensive research, so the information I need can't just be > found in a book from a library. > > Thank you in advance, > - Angelina Kats Article 30691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Reversing boxes/swapping frames in winter Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:40:13 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 42 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30691 Hello everyone, Today I was out removing Apistan strips from some of my hives (At exactly 45 days--so, yes, I got them in late). I decided to reverse the brood boxes of three of them (out of 22 hives) because the bees had migrated up past the grease patty and were all in the top box. As I remember the vacant boxes were empty or near empty of stores. These were all smallish (3-4 frames of bees) hives. Reversing boxes seemed to me to be the same procedure as I would normally do in the spring time, and it would encourage them to take advantage of the grease patty during the colder weather. Then I got to thinking....a dangerous thing sometimes. Maybe it's a bad idea to reverse those brood boxes at this time of year because the bees need to be as near the warm top of the hive as possible to minimize their stress. Our winters here in the Puget Sound (Seattle and vicinity) area are fairly mild. We have had only one freezing night this year, as far as I know, and the days are in the forties and fifties still. But January and February could see some freezing weather. So what do you think? Should I have reversed those boxes or not? I figured it would help them out, but how many times has a beekeeper's help ended up setting back or killing a hive.... Maybe I should have reduced them to just one box, but I wasn't sure but what they might have other stores, i.e pollen in the "light" box and didn't want to keep the hives open any longer than absolutely necessary. I recognize now that I have thought about it, that if I need to feed them (likely), that will be a little more difficult. On a related topic, does anyone out there selectively move the honey frames within or between the brood boxes as they're doing winter inspections? I've heard varied opinions on whether it's best to let the bees manage their honey stores on their own, or swapping full honey frames in from the sides to the center helps them out. I'm a little concerned about keeping the hives open long enough to do this manipulation, so it would have to limited to the possibility of a warm(er) winter's day. Still learning, Tom Monroe, WA Article 30692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tighe Smalley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees FS, central NY Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:39:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.52.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1008383948 24.58.52.49 (Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:39:08 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:39:08 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30692 13 colonies, Carniolan & Weaver All-American. Double broods, well provisioned for winter. Will sell as singles or all together. VG equipment. email n1aep@yahoo.com or call 607.347.4335 Article 30693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 13:32:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3c1b50b0.313017842@news1.radix.net> References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c192bf1.172539567@news1.radix.net> <9vdncc$l45$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vdpul$lnu$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vf4iq$am$2@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30693 On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:49:06 +1300, "Carmen" wrote: > >Dave Andrews wrote in message >news:9vdpul$lnu$1@news.wave.co.nz... >> >> "Carmen" wrote in message >> news:9vdncc$l45$1@news.wave.co.nz... >> >> >> Information to my eyes tells me that feeding sugar water with a copper >salt >> in it kills the mites. >> > > >I have also read about copper, >"blue organic cupric salt Copper Gluconate" >to be exact. > >Regards >Carmen > > Have you heard of PH3? It is my understanding that this is what the russians are using for varroa control. beekeep Article 30694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Dec 2001 14:32:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Package Bees to Michigan Message-ID: <20011216093218.25737.00000959@mb-fi.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30694 Was wondering if anyone on the list could put me in touch with someone who will be bringing package bees (2# or 3#) from the south this spring to Michigan or close by, as shipping costs are prohibitive. I would be interested in 25 packages. Bill Skriba Ithaca, MI Article 30695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: billshsfrm@aol.com (BillsHsFrm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Dec 2001 16:06:46 GMT References: <20011216093218.25737.00000959@mb-fi.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Package Bees to Michigan Message-ID: <20011216110646.06573.00000457@mb-mk.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30695 Bill Ive heard of Ithaca, but not sure of location. In Onstead Michigan is Groeb Farms Bee Supply. Thats where Ive bought my packages Phone # 517-467-2065 Hope this helps Bill Jaddatz Beginning beekeeper Article 30696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones colony duties Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:39:30 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <9vf4ip$am$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c192bf1.172539567@news1.radix.net> <9vdncc$l45$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p116.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1008407961 342 203.96.192.116 (15 Dec 2001 09:19:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2001 09:19:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news.iprolink.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30696 Cara & Tom Patterson wrote in message news:lhcl1u4iu162j022rv7aonrorptdef061b@4ax.com... > On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 09:57:53 +1300, "Carmen" wrote: > > > >Also the Drone removal method can be used however my Russian friend tells me > >that the old Russian beekeepers advised against the wholesale removal of > >drones from hives, it is ancient beekeeping knowledge that drones have more > >colony duties then are currently known by many. > > > >Indeed ! > > > >Carmen > > > I am one of the many. Would you kindly share some of their colony duties? > > TIA Apparently they make the family happier and participate in the orientation of young field bees :) Carmen Article 30697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 22:49:06 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <9vf4iq$am$2@news.wave.co.nz> References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c192bf1.172539567@news1.radix.net> <9vdncc$l45$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vdpul$lnu$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p116.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1008407962 342 203.96.192.116 (15 Dec 2001 09:19:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Dec 2001 09:19:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!203.96.216.22!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30697 Dave Andrews wrote in message news:9vdpul$lnu$1@news.wave.co.nz... > > "Carmen" wrote in message > news:9vdncc$l45$1@news.wave.co.nz... > > > Information to my eyes tells me that feeding sugar water with a copper salt > in it kills the mites. > I have also read about copper, "blue organic cupric salt Copper Gluconate" to be exact. Regards Carmen Article 30698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 08:31:22 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 47 Message-ID: <9vir1q$1m3$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c192bf1.172539567@news1.radix.net> <9vdncc$l45$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vdpul$lnu$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vf4iq$am$2@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1b50b0.313017842@news1.radix.net> <9vg13h$7e5$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1bc369.342386955@news1.radix.net> <9vheeu$m8c$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vi23c$c4v$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p25.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1008529274 1731 203.96.192.153 (16 Dec 2001 19:01:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 2001 19:01:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30698 Hi Gavin I am also a hobby beekeeper, many thanks for your comments and the website reference, it is very interesting. I am forwarding your comments to our national exec for their perusal. Arohanui Carmen Gavin Ramsay wrote in message news:9vi23c$c4v$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > My personal opinion of USDA is that it should be abolished. It does > > > little for us that private industry couldn't do. It is comprised > > > mostly of gov't workers that are only interested in payday and the > > > retirement. If we commercial beekeepers relied on them to save us we > > > would all starve to death. > > > > I guess Govt workers with little or no actual hands on experience in > > Apiculture ? > > For anyone that really believes that criticism above, can I ask you to spend > 5 min looking around this Web site? > > http://msa.ars.usda.gov/la/btn/hbb/projects.htm > > I have a lot of respect for the hands-on, far-sighted and effective bee > researchers in the USDA. Within just a few years US queen breeders have in > their hands something approaching the answer to Varroa. Both Russian > resistant stock and SMR bees selected from bees already in the States. > Hand-in-hand, the beekeeping industry and USDA - helping move to a > chemical-free future for beekeeping. Do you really have a problem with > that?! > > Gavin. > > Scientist (though not a bee researcher) and hobby beekeeper, Scotland. > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01 > > Article 30699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:37:58 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3c192bf1.172539567@news1.radix.net> References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30699 On Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:25:12 +1300, "Carmen" wrote: >Greetings All >An interesting artcile appeared in a Wellington, New Zealand Newspaper which >may bee of interest. >:) >(Please see below) >It is my view that, if the newspaper article is accurate and China has >eliminated the effects of varroa with >varroa-resistant strains of honeybees. > >Then this is an avenue worth persuing, we would need further information >about the other attributes of the eight types of Bee in China, ie >productivity, temperament etc. >Anyone have any thoughts? Russia has been dealing with this mite for many years as well. I have heard from a russian that they use a chemical called PH3 for varroa control. I have asked some of the experts about this but no one seems to have ever heard about it. One would think that the first place USDA would have looked for control methods would have been China and Russa. Being that this may have reduced the amount of research required seems to me to be the reason it was never looked into. Maybe I'm wrong, but I wouldn't put it past the USDA researchers to have imported the mites! Sure you can trust our government, ask any Native American. beekeep Article 30700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee packages in Missouri USA Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 15:25:53 -0600 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <9vj3h4$vd0$1@ins22.netins.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-173.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30700 I live in southwestern Missouri. Are there any places that sell bee packages in that area? I am going to start with two hives (2 - 3# packages.) Also when should you order and expect delivery for the area I'm in? Any good online sites for purchasing bee packages? Article 30701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:30:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 53 Message-ID: <3c1d2b62.434538552@news1.radix.net> References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c192bf1.172539567@news1.radix.net> <9vdncc$l45$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vdpul$lnu$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vf4iq$am$2@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1b50b0.313017842@news1.radix.net> <9vg13h$7e5$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1bc369.342386955@news1.radix.net> <9vheeu$m8c$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vi23c$c4v$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30701 On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:55:24 -0000, "Gavin Ramsay" wrote: >> > My personal opinion of USDA is that it should be abolished. It does >> > little for us that private industry couldn't do. It is comprised >> > mostly of gov't workers that are only interested in payday and the >> > retirement. If we commercial beekeepers relied on them to save us we >> > would all starve to death. >> >> I guess Govt workers with little or no actual hands on experience in >> Apiculture ? > >For anyone that really believes that criticism above, can I ask you to spend >5 min looking around this Web site? > >http://msa.ars.usda.gov/la/btn/hbb/projects.htm > >I have a lot of respect for the hands-on, far-sighted and effective bee >researchers in the USDA. Within just a few years US queen breeders have in >their hands something approaching the answer to Varroa. Both Russian >resistant stock and SMR bees selected from bees already in the States. >Hand-in-hand, the beekeeping industry and USDA - helping move to a >chemical-free future for beekeeping. Do you really have a problem with >that?! > >Gavin. > No I don't. But one must look at the other side of the coin as well. Bees exisit in this country that tolerate varroa. I personally watched a colony servive for 3 years with varroa and couldn't get USDA to even look at them. There are far more paychecks in quarantining bees off the coast than using those that are here. If there were no USDA and the laws that go along with it the russian bee semen would have been brought in years ago. Let's look at their past record with varroa. Nick Calderone developed a natural treatment for varroa years ago. Was it ever released? NO. Several years and a whole lot of tax dollars working with formic acid. Do we have it availible? NO. Sure they can say we are doing this or that, but if they don't deliver a product what use are they? Ten years ago the wonder bee was the Yugo bee that they cost us millions to import. So what's your point? Private industry can do it cheaper and better. beekeep Article 30702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Harper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re Thesis Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 5 Message-ID: <9vfn01$ddr$1@paris.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-181-161.btinternet.com X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1008426821 13755 213.122.181.161 (15 Dec 2001 14:33:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@paris.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 14:33:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!easynet-monga!easynet-melon!easynet.net!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30702 If you can get hold of a copy of Encyclopaedia of Beekeeping edited by Professor Roger Morse and Ted Hooper that will give you a start on the subjects your interested in Article 30703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Lines: 98 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 17:54:46 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-tYaum4Hahjv5P11X5EibRuRchuiYk7QZYMHiI/UJZHSua9pp7nuMyw+fAGCBC4SM6IxcuyMoBdc3fzt!1JCUE7y5Pyj3Q3uTexcZCAY7AKfzj4VCF4kKiUgLq/WTrlHucKoIAUzp3/lIkuvjJG+SKAHu7UEz!udSUuIdIBZBSaysHcyQH X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:54:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30703 Look here: http://www.wsbee.com/english/company/company.htm -- Mark If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) "Carmen" wrote in message news:9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz... > Greetings All > An interesting artcile appeared in a Wellington, New Zealand Newspaper which > may bee of interest. > :) > (Please see below) > It is my view that, if the newspaper article is accurate and China has > eliminated the effects of varroa with > varroa-resistant strains of honeybees. > > Then this is an avenue worth persuing, we would need further information > about the other attributes of the eight types of Bee in China, ie > productivity, temperament etc. > Anyone have any thoughts? > > THE EVENING POST, 8 DEC 2001, > Edition 3, Page 6. > Bee answer lies in China > > THE solution to New Zealand's varroa problem is simple, especially since the > knowledge economy supposedly welcomes new ideas. (The reality is that people > do not want change and prefer to shoot pioneers.) > > The beekeeping industry is the basic epitome of New Zealand society, with 90 > percent of beekeepers living in towns and each owning fewer than 10 hives, > mainly in country areas. New Zealand has one major race of honey bees and no > fresh genetic stock has been imported in living memory. Instead, we have > erected all kinds of costly barriers which are as effective as the actions > of King Canute. > > At great cost, a Guide To Varroa Control has been issued to New Zealand > beekeepers. It purports to sum up overseas control methods, yet omits all > reference to Asia, except Vietnam. > > That the world's largest beekeeping country with the most advanced methods > and research facilities receives not a mention in the MAF handbook is > justified by MAF as being because China has not put its information on the > Internet in English. > > China has eight major races of honeybees - New Zealand one. China has > eliminated the effects of varroa since the late 1980s (20 years ago) and has > varroa-resistant strains of honeybees. > > It is obvious that New Zealand should import varroa-resistant queen bees > from China to the South Island. There is time to do this before varroa takes > over. > > When, two years ago, I suggested this, MAF's reply was that the idea had > merit but that the suggestion should come from the bee industry. > > My own experience of the bee industry is that welcoming new ideas predates > the Treaty Of Waitangi and that the majority are lovely people who have > their main income not in beekeeping. > > It is up to MAF to give leadership - as it once did. The present beekeeping > industry is incapable of innovation and demands handouts so that it can > continue its outdated and failed ways. With fresh stocks available under MAF > control, beekeepers would have a choice - adapt or perish. They are going to > perish anyway with present methods. > > GRAEHAM GAISFORD > > Levin RD > > ╘ Wellington Newspapers Limited 2001, All rights reserved. > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.307 / Virus Database: 168 - Release Date: 12/11/2001 Article 30704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Bees to Michigan Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:00:57 -0600 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <20011216093218.25737.00000959@mb-fi.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY091LBMUdu7NnvkN5JMswJGyrkoiLSeuX62vtQ4f0/N/PeC/I+sNzb X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Dec 2001 00:01:07 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30704 Contact Jack Griffes. http://griffes.tripod.com/ jack_griffes@hotmail.com > Was wondering if anyone on the list could put me in touch with someone who > will > be bringing package bees (2# or 3#) from the south this spring to Michigan or > close by, as shipping costs are prohibitive. I would be interested in 25 > packages. > > Bill Skriba > Ithaca, MI Article 30705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> Subject: Re: (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Lines: 94 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 18:15:22 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-4GG9Eg+KeGOFys45o2D0Ub6lXbc/amP93cITWIZXToGWtouv3dLs+nF+MgRWyTwWOSHf07jwwoi5Icd!0Yfx5Xw7AQXiua6PUx4O1wWNEFaBda7WhfMhMdqVkmkZbiYCAtwWsZW6wvjzBqAPhHjRUkffnhmI!9IT3A4L6FSmi5FizvA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 00:15:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30705 Now Look here: http://www.caas.net.cn/bee/manpu.html Mark -- Horse sense is just stable thinking. "Carmen" wrote in message news:9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz... > Greetings All > An interesting artcile appeared in a Wellington, New Zealand Newspaper which > may bee of interest. > :) > (Please see below) > It is my view that, if the newspaper article is accurate and China has > eliminated the effects of varroa with > varroa-resistant strains of honeybees. > > Then this is an avenue worth persuing, we would need further information > about the other attributes of the eight types of Bee in China, ie > productivity, temperament etc. > Anyone have any thoughts? > > THE EVENING POST, 8 DEC 2001, > Edition 3, Page 6. > Bee answer lies in China > > THE solution to New Zealand's varroa problem is simple, especially since the > knowledge economy supposedly welcomes new ideas. (The reality is that people > do not want change and prefer to shoot pioneers.) > > The beekeeping industry is the basic epitome of New Zealand society, with 90 > percent of beekeepers living in towns and each owning fewer than 10 hives, > mainly in country areas. New Zealand has one major race of honey bees and no > fresh genetic stock has been imported in living memory. Instead, we have > erected all kinds of costly barriers which are as effective as the actions > of King Canute. > > At great cost, a Guide To Varroa Control has been issued to New Zealand > beekeepers. It purports to sum up overseas control methods, yet omits all > reference to Asia, except Vietnam. > > That the world's largest beekeeping country with the most advanced methods > and research facilities receives not a mention in the MAF handbook is > justified by MAF as being because China has not put its information on the > Internet in English. > > China has eight major races of honeybees - New Zealand one. China has > eliminated the effects of varroa since the late 1980s (20 years ago) and has > varroa-resistant strains of honeybees. > > It is obvious that New Zealand should import varroa-resistant queen bees > from China to the South Island. There is time to do this before varroa takes > over. > > When, two years ago, I suggested this, MAF's reply was that the idea had > merit but that the suggestion should come from the bee industry. > > My own experience of the bee industry is that welcoming new ideas predates > the Treaty Of Waitangi and that the majority are lovely people who have > their main income not in beekeeping. > > It is up to MAF to give leadership - as it once did. The present beekeeping > industry is incapable of innovation and demands handouts so that it can > continue its outdated and failed ways. With fresh stocks available under MAF > control, beekeepers would have a choice - adapt or perish. They are going to > perish anyway with present methods. > > GRAEHAM GAISFORD > > Levin RD > > ╘ Wellington Newspapers Limited 2001, All rights reserved. > > > > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.307 / Virus Database: 168 - Release Date: 12/11/2001 Article 30706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Dec 2001 14:57:47 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Reversing boxes/swapping frames in winter Message-ID: <20011215095747.13542.00000285@mb-fq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!80.65.228.52.MISMATCH!deine.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30706 Put some feed on the hives they sound light to me if the bees are all in the top. Article 30707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,ukr.commerce,ukr.commerce.auto Subject: Запчасти для автотракторной и сельскохозяйственной техники Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:32:02 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 43 Message-ID: <9vcb1l$18ab$10@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.64.233.127 X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1008316277 41291 195.64.233.127 (14 Dec 2001 07:51:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2001 07:51:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30707 sci.agriculture.fruit:4076 sci.agriculture.poultry:33202 sci.agriculture.ratites:1767 УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА!!! Вашему вниманию предлагаем, по низким ценам, запасные части для > автотракторной техники и сельскохозяйственных машин в ассортименте: > - распределители гидравлические; > - насос НШ всех модификаций; > - гидроцилиндры; > - турбокомпрессора; > - топливные насосы; > - пара плунжерная; > - рукова высокого давления; > - рулевое управление; > - сцепление; > - пустовые двигатели (комплектующие к ним); > - водяние насосы; > - комплектующие КПП и многое другое. > РЕМКОМПЛЕКТЫ. > Также производим ремонт: топливной системы, гидравлической системы, > турбокомпрессоров. > При ремонте топливной аппаратуры происходит замена всех изношенных > изделий на новые качественные. Ставим только сертифицированный товар при > замене. > Ремонтируя гидрораспределители, производим напыление золотника с > последующей шлифовкой. > Ремонтируя гидроцилиндры всегда производим замену штока на новый. > Турбокомпрессора обкатываем на проверочном стенде, поэтому даём 100% > гарантию. > Действуют гибкие системы скидок для оптовых покупателей. > Полный ассортимент нашей продукции Вы можете получить по > нашему E-mail: avantag@visti.com и тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05. > > С уважением, > > Директор > ИСТОМИН В.В. > > > Article 30708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Истомин" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,ukr.commerce,ukr.commerce.auto Subject: Запчасти для автотракторной и сельскохозяйственной техники Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 09:32:09 +0300 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 43 Message-ID: <9vcb1p$18ab$11@app0.visti.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.64.233.127 X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1008316281 41291 195.64.233.127 (14 Dec 2001 07:51:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Dec 2001 07:51:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newspump.sol.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!horse.lucky.net!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30708 sci.agriculture.fruit:4077 sci.agriculture.poultry:33203 sci.agriculture.ratites:1768 УВАЖАЕМЫЕ ГОСПОДА!!! Вашему вниманию предлагаем, по низким ценам, запасные части для > автотракторной техники и сельскохозяйственных машин в ассортименте: > - распределители гидравлические; > - насос НШ всех модификаций; > - гидроцилиндры; > - турбокомпрессора; > - топливные насосы; > - пара плунжерная; > - рукова высокого давления; > - рулевое управление; > - сцепление; > - пустовые двигатели (комплектующие к ним); > - водяние насосы; > - комплектующие КПП и многое другое. > РЕМКОМПЛЕКТЫ. > Также производим ремонт: топливной системы, гидравлической системы, > турбокомпрессоров. > При ремонте топливной аппаратуры происходит замена всех изношенных > изделий на новые качественные. Ставим только сертифицированный товар при > замене. > Ремонтируя гидрораспределители, производим напыление золотника с > последующей шлифовкой. > Ремонтируя гидроцилиндры всегда производим замену штока на новый. > Турбокомпрессора обкатываем на проверочном стенде, поэтому даём 100% > гарантию. > Действуют гибкие системы скидок для оптовых покупателей. > Полный ассортимент нашей продукции Вы можете получить по > нашему E-mail: avantag@visti.com и тел/факс: (044) 249-69-05. > > С уважением, > > Директор > ИСТОМИН В.В. > > > Article 30709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C1D70FF.70002@verizon.net> From: Marc Wachter User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New Jersey Bee Packages or Nucs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 04:13:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.150.206.13 X-Complaints-To: business-support@verizon.com X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1008562418 141.150.206.13 (Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:13:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:13:38 EST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30709 Hi, I was looking for anyone who was having packages brought into NJ this spring or was willing to sell nucs or splits. I am located in South Jersey. Thanks Marc Wachter Article 30710 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Hughes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Colonies Wanted Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <%MlT7.3506$sG5.607952067@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.254.136.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr15.news.prodigy.com 1008593083 ST000 63.254.136.236 (Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:44:43 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 07:44:43 EST Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: OXQC@MCAGK]UAFH[\ZHL_RH@LZOZ@GXOXR]ZMVMHQAVTUZ]CLNTCPFK[WDXDHV[K^FCGJCJLPF_D_NCC@FUG^Q\DINVAXSLIFXYJSSCCALP@PB@\OS@BITWAH\CQZKJMMD^SJA^NXA\GVLSRBD^M_NW_F[YLVTWIGAXAQBOATKBBQRXECDFDMQ\DZFUE@\JM Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 12:44:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr15.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30710 Want to purchase colonies and/or equipment in west TN, north MS, or east AR. Bill Hughes Article 30711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:25:12 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 69 Message-ID: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p75.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1008262666 29722 203.96.192.203 (13 Dec 2001 16:57:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Dec 2001 16:57:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news.uwa.edu.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30711 Greetings All An interesting artcile appeared in a Wellington, New Zealand Newspaper which may bee of interest. :) (Please see below) It is my view that, if the newspaper article is accurate and China has eliminated the effects of varroa with varroa-resistant strains of honeybees. Then this is an avenue worth persuing, we would need further information about the other attributes of the eight types of Bee in China, ie productivity, temperament etc. Anyone have any thoughts? THE EVENING POST, 8 DEC 2001, Edition 3, Page 6. Bee answer lies in China THE solution to New Zealand's varroa problem is simple, especially since the knowledge economy supposedly welcomes new ideas. (The reality is that people do not want change and prefer to shoot pioneers.) The beekeeping industry is the basic epitome of New Zealand society, with 90 percent of beekeepers living in towns and each owning fewer than 10 hives, mainly in country areas. New Zealand has one major race of honey bees and no fresh genetic stock has been imported in living memory. Instead, we have erected all kinds of costly barriers which are as effective as the actions of King Canute. At great cost, a Guide To Varroa Control has been issued to New Zealand beekeepers. It purports to sum up overseas control methods, yet omits all reference to Asia, except Vietnam. That the world's largest beekeeping country with the most advanced methods and research facilities receives not a mention in the MAF handbook is justified by MAF as being because China has not put its information on the Internet in English. China has eight major races of honeybees - New Zealand one. China has eliminated the effects of varroa since the late 1980s (20 years ago) and has varroa-resistant strains of honeybees. It is obvious that New Zealand should import varroa-resistant queen bees from China to the South Island. There is time to do this before varroa takes over. When, two years ago, I suggested this, MAF's reply was that the idea had merit but that the suggestion should come from the bee industry. My own experience of the bee industry is that welcoming new ideas predates the Treaty Of Waitangi and that the majority are lovely people who have their main income not in beekeeping. It is up to MAF to give leadership - as it once did. The present beekeeping industry is incapable of innovation and demands handouts so that it can continue its outdated and failed ways. With fresh stocks available under MAF control, beekeepers would have a choice - adapt or perish. They are going to perish anyway with present methods. GRAEHAM GAISFORD Levin RD ╘ Wellington Newspapers Limited 2001, All rights reserved. Article 30712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey gets research nod Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:26:22 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 49 Message-ID: <9vammb$t0q$2@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p75.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1008262667 29722 203.96.192.203 (13 Dec 2001 16:57:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Dec 2001 16:57:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news.stealth.net!216.227.56.88.MISMATCH!telocity-west!TELOCITY!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30712 Hello The following was emailed to me, concerning scientific research about honey, I found it interesting and it may be of interest to others THE DOMINION, 8 DEC 2001, Edition 2, Page 18. Spoonful of honey gets research nod By: CARPINTER Bernard TAKING a spoonful of honey to cure a sore throat may be just as effective as using using modern medicines, a university research student has shown. Vanessa Anderson, of Waikato University, observed that honey was a traditional remedy for sore throats, and set out to see whether it really worked on the bacterium Streptococcus pyogenes that causes sore throats. She tested rewarewa and manuka honey on the bacteria, and found that in the presence of saliva they were as effective as two out of three commercial throat lozenges. "Rewarewa honey has an activity due to hydrogen peroxide produced in an enzymic reaction, and manuka honey has a unique phytochemical antibacterial component," Ms Anderson said. Her findings were presented at the Molecules for Life scientific conference, held in Napier this week, which featured research on natural products. More findings on manuka honey were presented by Melanie Snow and Merilyn Manley-Harris, also from Waikato University. They said this honey's antibacterial properties were well known, but no complete explanation had yet been demonstrated. That mystery remains, as their research tended to discredit two explanations offered earlier, but they did not come up with a new one. George Slim, of Industrial Research in Lower Hutt, and Paul Davis, from the Wellington School of Medicine, presented a paper on natural remedies for arthritis. A number of such remedies based on carbohydrates were available and clinical trials indicated that some were effective, they said. The two researchers reported on the structures of some of these materials, and offered explanations as to how they worked. ╘ Wellington Newspapers Limited 2001, All rights reserved. Article 30713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Research Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 06:27:31 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <9vammc$t0q$3@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p75.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1008262668 29722 203.96.192.203 (13 Dec 2001 16:57:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Dec 2001 16:57:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news.uwa.edu.au!news1.optus.net.au!optus!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30713 Interesting research being carried out on Honey in our region refer :- http://honey.bio.waikato.ac.nz/contents.shtml I particularly refer to the section called :- 'Honey as an antimicrobial agent' Carmen Article 30714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Gavin Ramsay" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 11:55:24 -0000 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <9vi23c$c4v$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c192bf1.172539567@news1.radix.net> <9vdncc$l45$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vdpul$lnu$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vf4iq$am$2@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1b50b0.313017842@news1.radix.net> <9vg13h$7e5$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1bc369.342386955@news1.radix.net> <9vheeu$m8c$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3461.leopard.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1008503724 12447 217.135.157.133 (16 Dec 2001 11:55:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Dec 2001 11:55:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!skynet.be!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30714 > > My personal opinion of USDA is that it should be abolished. It does > > little for us that private industry couldn't do. It is comprised > > mostly of gov't workers that are only interested in payday and the > > retirement. If we commercial beekeepers relied on them to save us we > > would all starve to death. > > I guess Govt workers with little or no actual hands on experience in > Apiculture ? For anyone that really believes that criticism above, can I ask you to spend 5 min looking around this Web site? http://msa.ars.usda.gov/la/btn/hbb/projects.htm I have a lot of respect for the hands-on, far-sighted and effective bee researchers in the USDA. Within just a few years US queen breeders have in their hands something approaching the answer to Varroa. Both Russian resistant stock and SMR bees selected from bees already in the States. Hand-in-hand, the beekeeping industry and USDA - helping move to a chemical-free future for beekeeping. Do you really have a problem with that?! Gavin. Scientist (though not a bee researcher) and hobby beekeeper, Scotland. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.306 / Virus Database: 166 - Release Date: 12/4/01 Article 30715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nick Caldrone (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:36:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3c1e8080.521862424@news1.radix.net> References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c192bf1.172539567@news1.radix.net> <9vdncc$l45$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vdpul$lnu$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vf4iq$am$2@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1b50b0.313017842@news1.radix.net> <9vg13h$7e5$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1bc369.342386955@news1.radix.net> <9vheeu$m8c$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vi23c$c4v$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <3c1d2b62.434538552@news1.radix.net> <9vkh5f$etm$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30715 On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:55:15 +1300, "Carmen" wrote: > >beekeep wrote in message >news:3c1d2b62.434538552@news1.radix.net... >snip >> >> Let's look at their past record with varroa. Nick Calderone developed >> a natural treatment for varroa years ago. Was it ever released? NO. > >ahem >I hope you don't mind me enquiring >but would you happen to have any idea what that was ? > >:) >Carmen > 75% Thymol 16% Eucaliptus Oil 4.5% Camphor 4.5% Menthol This was applied on florist sponges in the hives. IIRC 99.9% kill rate. I use it every year in August and back it up with fluvalinate the end of October for the past 7 years or so. I have seen no resistance yet. beekeep beekeep Article 30716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nick Caldrone (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:55:15 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <9vkh5f$etm$1@news.wave.co.nz> References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c192bf1.172539567@news1.radix.net> <9vdncc$l45$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vdpul$lnu$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vf4iq$am$2@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1b50b0.313017842@news1.radix.net> <9vg13h$7e5$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1bc369.342386955@news1.radix.net> <9vheeu$m8c$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vi23c$c4v$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <3c1d2b62.434538552@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p65.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1008584687 15286 203.96.192.193 (17 Dec 2001 10:24:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Dec 2001 10:24:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30716 beekeep wrote in message news:3c1d2b62.434538552@news1.radix.net... snip > > Let's look at their past record with varroa. Nick Calderone developed > a natural treatment for varroa years ago. Was it ever released? NO. ahem I hope you don't mind me enquiring but would you happen to have any idea what that was ? :) Carmen Article 30717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mr. Mohamed Elwan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: royal jelly Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:54:47 +0300 Organization: Bees Kingdom Est. 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