Article 22254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <81up09$boh$1@news1.skynet.be> Subject: Re: beekeeping Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 13:05:34 -0500 Lines: 25 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.67 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.80.67 Message-ID: <384561d0_1@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 1 Dec 1999 12:58:40 -0500, 209.222.80.67 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.80.67 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22254 Greetings! We have several old and rare books pertinent to beekeeping; http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html Hopefully,you will find what you need. -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Bart Maes wrote in message news:81up09$boh$1@news1.skynet.be... > I am looking for information about biologique - dynamique beekeeping. Do you > have some? > Bart Maes > > Article 22255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.laserlink.net!not-for-mail From: "party2go" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cold Apistan Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 19:03:12 -0600 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <824gf5$9vp$1@news.laserlink.net> Reply-To: "party2go" NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust223.tnt26.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22255 Hi folks, I removed my Apistan strips the other day. It was about 45 degrees out. I needed to get them out because I was within a few days of reaching 52. My question is have I done any damage to the bees? Will I have problems will chilled brood? Worse yet could I have killed the queen by getting her chilled? I left the top brood chamber on, and turned it kind of cockeyed but the bees had glued the strips down. With my gloves on it they were hard to remove. I know, I know, a real beekeeper wouldn't wear gloves but I'm still a newbee and those stings hurt! Anyway the hive was only apart for less than a minute. I guess I will always find out next spring if the bees are still there if I did any damage. Is anyone using the screens on top of the bottom board to trap Varroa along with removing the drone brood? Would this be an effective management technique for Varroa or just enhance the apistan? Is anyone planning on receiving the Russian bees that are supposed to be offered here in the US next spring? I understand these bees are supposed to be Varroa resistant. I'm sure if they are the Super Bees they are being touted as, they will have a hefty price. Also, I wanted to thank all of you for the information you've been giving and the jokes too. It has been a very valuable source of info. It has made my first year very enjoyable. Article 22256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Apistan Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 17:57:56 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 55 Message-ID: <824jtf$3kg$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <824gf5$9vp$1@news.laserlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.104 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 944100079 3728 12.72.40.104 (2 Dec 1999 02:01:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 1999 02:01:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22256 I doubt that less than 1 minute at 45F is going to do any damage. No matter what kind of beekeeper one is, some type of gloves should always be worn when handling Apistan. I don't recall that the Russian bee really blew the USDA's skirts up in their testing. The showed promise but it wasn't the wonder bee that many were hoping for. The USDA did an article about 6 months ago in ABJ. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there party2go wrote in message news:824gf5$9vp$1@news.laserlink.net... > Hi folks, > > I removed my Apistan strips the other day. It was about 45 degrees out. I > needed to get them out because I was within a few days of reaching 52. My > question is have I done any damage to the bees? Will I have problems will > chilled brood? Worse yet could I have killed the queen by getting her > chilled? I left the top brood chamber on, and turned it kind of cockeyed > but the bees had glued the strips down. With my gloves on it they were hard > to remove. I know, I know, a real beekeeper wouldn't wear gloves but I'm > still a newbee and those stings hurt! Anyway the hive was only apart for > less than a minute. > > I guess I will always find out next spring if the bees are still there if I > did any damage. > > Is anyone using the screens on top of the bottom board to trap Varroa along > with removing the drone brood? Would this be an effective management > technique for Varroa or just enhance the apistan? > > Is anyone planning on receiving the Russian bees that are supposed to be > offered here in the US next spring? I understand these bees are supposed to > be Varroa resistant. I'm sure if they are the Super Bees they are being > touted as, they will have a hefty price. > > Also, I wanted to thank all of you for the information you've been giving > and the jokes too. It has been a very valuable source of info. It has made > my first year very enjoyable. > > Article 22257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Trade" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey tests Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:32:13 -0500 Organization: Trade Lines: 24 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22257 In the course of our business, we recently encountered a potential buyer with certain requirements and tests to be performed on the honey we offer. We have not gone back to the buyer to inquire about these tests. Instead we resort to this newsgroup to try to get more information on these tests. Part of the requirements read as follows: - "radiation (CS 134/137 ) of max. 60 Bq/kg will be tolerated", how do you test for this? - "Residues of CDF : max 10 ppb (Method HPLC)". What is CDF, ppb and HPLC?? - "Difference Proteinfraction Versus C13 Honey : < -1 (White)". What's Proteinfraction and C13? What sort of test this is? - "Glycerine content : lower than 300mg/kg". How do you test for this? - "Yeast content : per 10g honey lower than 500.000 by using the appraisement procedure". How do you test for this? Regards, Carmen Article 22258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vonorlow.dialup.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail From: Melanie von Orlow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey tests Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:32:11 +0100 Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Lines: 28 Message-ID: <384674DA.BAAC9610@chemie.fu-berlin.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: vonorlow.dialup.fu-berlin.de (160.45.227.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 944141346 2519586 160.45.227.8 (16 17 19) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0321e (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22258 Howdy, now, here in Germany, we have special Honey-labs where you can get your Honey tested. They do know how to do it and what the actual procedures are. Usually you need your honey tested from time to time to get it certified for these conditions your customer is asking for (here, you need to get your honey tested if you want to sell it even to your neighbor). As I'm working in a lab I know what these testing are that you've mentioned here. HPLC means "High pressure liquid chromatography" and is a very sensitive technique to detect slightest traces (parts per billion=ppb) of chemical components. I don't know what this appraisement procedure is - I would test for yeast by using special yeast media plates. The Yeast content is detected by plating the sample (your honey) in different dilutions on these media-plates. The yeast will start to grow on this media and forms colonies which can be counted an the number of yeast cells can be calculated. For radiation testing you need a liquid scintillation counter - a machine which can detect CS and other isotopes. Usually, a laboratory of good practice has one of these 100.000$ machines... Putting everything together I would recommend you to check the yellow pages for a food science lab or ask your local beekeeper association for an associated Honey lab. All these procedures should be standard practices. Melanie Article 22259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!vonorlow.dialup.fu-berlin.DE!not-for-mail From: Melanie von Orlow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: webcam for a hive ? Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:45:03 +0100 Organization: Freie Universitaet Berlin Lines: 8 Message-ID: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: vonorlow.dialup.fu-berlin.de (160.45.227.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 944142118 2545191 160.45.227.8 (16 17 19) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW0321e (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22259 Howdy, does anybody know if there is a webcam of a bee hive available ? Or does anybody know how to install one ? Or some pages with some hints how to install one (including how to afford it ;-)? Thanks ! Melanie Article 22260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <824gf5$9vp$1@news.laserlink.net> Subject: SV: Cold Apistan Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 07:09:09 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.235.53 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 944148500 212.151.235.53 (Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:28:20 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:28:20 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22260 party2go skrev i diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:824gf5$9vp$1@news.laserlink.net... > Is anyone using the screens on top of the bottom board to trap Varroa along > with removing the drone brood? Would this be an effective management > technique for Varroa or just enhance the apistan? What kind of screens are that? I've never heard of them. But any way of removing mite is good though you'll have to combine different methods to get a satisfying result. > Is anyone planning on receiving the Russian bees that are supposed to be > offered here in the US next spring? I understand these bees are supposed to > be Varroa resistant. Even if bees are tolerant to varroa in one area, it's not sure that they are in an other. I've heard of several places where a balance between bees and varroa has come up, but remember that both bees AND varroa have adapted to each other!!! Doris from Gotland Article 22261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A. Maurer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HONEY PRODUCTION? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:44:37 +0200 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2116.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2201.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.32.59 Message-ID: <384692d2_1@news3.prserv.net> X-Trace: 2 Dec 1999 15:40:02 GMT, 139.92.32.59 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news3.prserv.net!139.92.32.59 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22261 Hello! I have a very basic question for you pro beekeepers: How does the bee actually prepare the honey? what is the source? pollen or nectar or both? do they digest the above and then secrete honey by their glands? if yes than by which glands? A direct reply would be great!! Thanx A. Maurer. Article 22262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: surface finish on old extractor Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 14:28:01 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 12 Message-ID: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.220.168 X-Trace: 944145343 1NNUCNF1GDCA8C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22262 Hello all Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of renovating an old extractor. Is there a site for this product? Any details about where this or good alternatives can be obtained would be welcome Has anyone tried a method on ye olde tinplate extractor? Thanks in advance Chris Article 22263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsxfer.visi.net!firenze.visi.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3846A0C0.88EC861B@visi.netBBBBBBB> From: Thom Bradley Organization: Thom's Honeybees X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY PRODUCTION? References: <384692d2_1@news3.prserv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 57 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 16:40:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp30.ts2-1.norfolk.visi.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 11:40:29 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22263 Honey is a product of honeybees processing of nectar. Nectar is manufactured by plants to attract pollinators to flowers in order to ensure pollination. Many flowers have nectaries. These nectaries produce sugar water (essentially) in various concentrations varying by species and cultivar, and environmental conditions. The concentrations are normally no sweeter than 20% complex sugars and 80% water. Honeybees visit the flowers and remove the nectar by sucking it up with tubelike tongues. This nectar is stored by the honeybees in a "honey stomach" and mixed with enzymes such as the "'aces" (glucanase, etc.) and transported to the hive. There, the nectar is transferred to a bee that works in the hive (house bee). This bee will mix more enzymes in and knead the nectar with mouth parts to begin dehydrating the nectar. The enzymes will begin to break the complex sugars to simple sugars and their component parts. Part of this process produces things such as HO (hydrogen peroxide) which contribute to the antibacterial properties of honey. The "house" bees will spread the "unripe honey" around the processing area of the hive and set a breeze traveling through the hive in order to dehydrate it. The honey must be dehydrated for 2 reasons. 1) The nectar would take up too much room within the hive and contains too much water to be stored properly within the hive. 2) Since wild yeasts are everywhere the water content must be reduced to below 19-20% water. At this percentage the yeast will go dormant. Above this percentage the honey will ferment. Once the nectar reaches the proper water level, it is gathered into individual cells, packed and then sealed with a lid of beeswax in order to protect it from elements and rehydration. If there are any other questions, I would be happy to expound. Thom Bradley Thom's Honeybees Chesapeake, VA, USA "A. Maurer" wrote: > > Hello! > I have a very basic question for you pro beekeepers: > How does the bee actually prepare the honey? > what is the source? pollen or nectar or both? > do they digest the above and then secrete honey by their glands? if yes than > by which glands? > > A direct reply would be great!! > > Thanx > > A. Maurer. Article 22264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-180-229.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: webcam for a hive ? Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 09:55:57 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b4.e5 X-Server-Date: 2 Dec 1999 16:58:11 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22264 In article <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de>, Melanie von Orlow wrote: > Howdy, > does anybody know if there is a webcam of a bee hive available ? Or does > anybody know how to install one ? Or some pages with some hints how to > install one (including how to afford it ;-)? Seems to me the first problem would be light. The interior of the hive is very dark... too dark to use virtually any camera. The only alternative would be to set up a web-cam looking at an observation hive. In this case setting up the obhive would be the first challenge, followed closely by configuring your computer system as a web server to upload continually updated images. What is your objective in setting up a hive-cam? If you're serious about having a live feed from a hive on the web, I'd be interested in setting up the system for you. It won't be cheap, however. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.alt.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: webcam for a hive ? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 13:50:19 -0800 Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 25 Message-ID: <826pg6$2c8$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.152 X-Trace: bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net 944171334 2440 12.72.40.152 (2 Dec 1999 21:48:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 1999 21:48:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22265 Not sure there is much to see in Montana, USA this time of year, but here is one: http://beekeeper.dbs.umt.edu/cgi-bin/video.cgi -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there Melanie von Orlow wrote in message news:384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de... > Howdy, > does anybody know if there is a webcam of a bee hive available ? Or does > anybody know how to install one ? Or some pages with some hints how to > install one (including how to afford it ;-)? > > Thanks ! > Melanie > Article 22266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Natural Beekeeping? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:29:45 +0100 Organization: EDBi Lines: 29 Message-ID: <826odt$de$1@news.inet.tele.dk> References: <38434171.3676418@news.prodigy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip125.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 944170237 430 195.249.242.125 (2 Dec 1999 21:30:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Dec 1999 21:30:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22266 DAWood skrev i meddelelsen <38434171.3676418@news.prodigy.net>... > >Is there anyone out there, anywhere in the world, that is able to >produce honey without the use of insecticides...'natural' or >otherwise? Sure there is! But is cost extra work! Though not so much extra! E.g. Ocalic acid take half a minute a beehive. read the report published at http://apimo.dk You can download the html package are allowed to use it on your own homepage if you have such one. The varroa report as html for download is 500K. best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 22267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!enews.sgi.com!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ12.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY PRODUCTION? Message-ID: References: <384692d2_1@news3.prserv.net> <3846A0C0.88EC861B@visi.netBBBBBBB> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.35 X-Trace: typ12.nn.bcandid.com 944185681 216.100.16.35 (Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:48:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 20:48:01 EST Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:54:18 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22267 Hey! That was a very informative reply, Thom; thanks. In article <3846A0C0.88EC861B@visi.netBBBBBBB>, thombrad@visi.netBBBBBBB says... > Honey is a product of honeybees processing of nectar. Nectar is > manufactured by plants to attract pollinators to flowers in order to > ensure pollination. > Many flowers have nectaries. These nectaries produce sugar water > (essentially) in various concentrations varying by species and cultivar, > and environmental conditions. The concentrations are normally no sweeter > than 20% complex sugars and 80% water. > Honeybees visit the flowers and remove the nectar by sucking it up with > tubelike tongues. This nectar is stored by the honeybees in a "honey > stomach" and mixed with enzymes such as the "'aces" (glucanase, etc.) > and transported to the hive. There, the nectar is transferred to a bee > that works in the hive (house bee). This bee will mix more enzymes in > and knead the nectar with mouth parts to begin dehydrating the nectar. > The enzymes will begin to break the complex sugars to simple sugars and > their component parts. Part of this process produces things such as HO > (hydrogen peroxide) which contribute to the antibacterial properties of > honey. > The "house" bees will spread the "unripe honey" around the processing > area of the hive and set a breeze traveling through the hive in order to > dehydrate it. The honey must be dehydrated for 2 reasons. > 1) The nectar would take up too much room within the hive and contains > too much water to be stored properly within the hive. > 2) Since wild yeasts are everywhere the water content must be reduced > to below 19-20% water. At this percentage the yeast will go dormant. > Above this percentage the honey will ferment. > Once the nectar reaches the proper water level, it is gathered into > individual cells, packed and then sealed with a lid of beeswax in order > to protect it from elements and rehydration. > > If there are any other questions, I would be happy to expound. > > Thom Bradley > Thom's Honeybees > Chesapeake, VA, USA > > > "A. Maurer" wrote: > > > > Hello! > > I have a very basic question for you pro beekeepers: > > How does the bee actually prepare the honey? > > what is the source? pollen or nectar or both? > > do they digest the above and then secrete honey by their glands? if yes than > > by which glands? > > > > A direct reply would be great!! > > > > Thanx > > > > A. Maurer. Article 22268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <384692d2_1@news3.prserv.net> Subject: Re: HONEY PRODUCTION? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:18:54 -0500 Lines: 148 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.166 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.166 Message-ID: <384726f3_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 2 Dec 1999 21:12:03 -0500, 209.222.109.166 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.166 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22268 You gots to love this article... Honey, bumble barf, wasp whoop, bee vomit, apis spew, hornet hoop, Hymenoptera hurl. These and several other not so flowery phrases refer to the regurgitated product from certain insects -- mostly Apis mellifera. If someone walked up to you at a party with an invitation to partake of a sticky partially-digested amber fluid that had been robbed from wax holding vessels filled by vomit (from small flying insects) intended for storage, continued digestion and consumption by themselves and their children, would you say "Yes that sounds marvelous, I'd love to try some"? No. I don't think so. No more than you would say, "Yes, I would love to pry open the calcified covering of a Pelecypoda and pour sweetened tomato puree mixed with spicy tuber root over the raw unprotected flesh of a living boneless bivalve mollusk swimming in a teaspoon of residual sea water and plummet the same still throbbing animal into a pool of acid at the bottom of my stomach." No, only the fevered mind of a horror film writer could imagine such a gruesome torture inflicted upon another. Apis mellifera -- the common honey bee -- what's its story? How is it that a bunch of be-winged factories can turn random droplets of plant nectar into honey? Do they worship and make supplications to the great and fearsome god Hand that orders their lives with divine indifference? How long does it take a train traveling 50 mph due east leaving Pittsburgh at 6:00 a.m. to meet a boat traveling due west up the Hudson River? Nectar is not bad stuff. Water and sugar. Add a little food coloring, carbonization and label . . . you could have a nice soft drink. Problem is it's spread all over the pasture. Even the engineering department at Davis School of Agriculture would be hard pressed to come up with a machine that could gather nectar in a cost efficient manner. Let's face it, these little bee guys work cheap. Free nectar and pollen and they're happy. Heck they can have all the pollen they want as far as I'm concerned. The less of the stuff in the atmosphere the better I like it. Have you ever seen a picture of a pollen grain under an electron microscope? I have -- medieval instruments of confession look more inviting. The Spanish Inquisition, now there's a lively bunch that knew how to inspire conversion. Even as we prepare to enter the 21st century, thousands of Mexican and Spanish Jews are still hiding under the cover of Catholicism. So a few industrious buzzers collect the nectar -- then what? Were you aware that the water content of nectar varies? Well, it does. Anything from thirty or forty percent to ninety percent or more. Maybe less, maybe more, who's got the time to sample the water content of each and every flower? Besides some of these flowers are open to low humidity drying winds that would suck the water content from a rock. With the random effects of weather and the natural distribution of variability amongst the flora it's no surprise that the water content is not uniform. Heck darn diversity is the seed of evolution. However, as any marketer can advise, consumers prefer to buy products that they can trust to be the same from day to day and purchase to purchase. Bottom line: it just won't work to deliver a product that varies from watery to thick -- depending on time of year, plants involved, and humidity of the pasture. Fortunately, the bees have solved this little problem quite nicely. The forager bees (little buzzers that fly around sucking up nectar from flowers and such) gather the raw material. These guys forage for nectar, gather and bring it back to the hive. Since they don't have handy-dandy little buckets (like in cartoons) the bees suck the honey down using a convenient organ located just posterior to the mouth affectionately called the sucking pump. From here the nectar is shuttled down the oesophagus into a thin-walled sac (corresponding to the crop of other insects) called the honey stomach -- so called because it is used to carry nectar or honey. Separating the honey stomach and the ventriculus (the real stomach) is a small sphincter like opening called the stomach mouth. The stomach mouth prevents the nectar from passing from the honey stomach into the further reaches of the honey bees' digestive system. It is here in the honey stomach that the nectar is stored during the long flight from flower to hive. Depending on whether a nectar-find was worthy of pride or required help, the first thing a foraging bee would do upon returning to the hive is dance a little jig -- thus giving the other foragers a clue to the size and location of a nectar-find. After this oratory in farting and tap-dancing is complete the forager bee (still loaded with a stomach full of nectar) would look for a house bee to receive the raw nectar. When a house bee is found, that is not otherwise occupied, the forager bee regurgitates said raw materials. As forging bees are apt to be heard saying, "I have enough to do foraging without having to do all the processing as well. You'd think with sitting around the hive all day she could keep the combs cleaner and do a little processing." In keeping with all post-industrialized factory management, the foraging bees leave the post-gathering production to house bees. Having completed their unionized roll of gathering, the foraging bees regurgitate the only slightly digested nectar and let the house bees suck it down for further processing. When the forager bee has passed a drop of nectar along, the house bee moves into action working its tiny little jaws to the chitin converting the nectar droplet into honey. The house bee has two main processing responsibilities. The first is to dehydrate the nectar into a stable product with batch to batch consistency. This is accomplished by vomiting the nectar and chewing it down over and over again. Each cycle of the process takes about twenty seconds. Given that on the average a house bee will work approximately fifteen to twenty minutes on each droplet of nectar, that translates into about fifty chew-swallow-regurgitate cycles -- guaranteed to eventually dry out even the watery-est nectar. When the nectar's water content reaches an agreed upon concentration (set by arbitrated agreement between management and labor) the house bee stops chewing and adds the partially digested nectar to a cell in the honey comb. It is here that the second processing responsibility of the house bee is accomplished. The sugar profile of raw nectar varies from simple (glucose and fructose) to complex (sucrose). That will never do for feeding young baby bees and besides sucrose is too close to the white crystals of death extracted from sugar cane and beets to be very effective on the retail market. Nope, in the health food market something different (and sweeter) is required -- at least if one wants to compete for that ever elusive (and perhaps mob controlled)1 shelf-space. To solve this marketing dilemma honey bees inject the enzyme invertase into the nectar. The invertase enzyme converts sucrose into smaller, simplier and sweeter sugars. The process is begun in the stomach to be completed in the wax holding tanks of the honey comb over the course of a few weeks. Next time before complaining of how much work it is to lay in a supply of canned tomatoes and pickles for the winter, you may wish to recall the job of the house bee and count yourself lucky. Who would want to chew and spit up cucumbers all night long? Come to think of it, that's the very thing that happened to me the last time I had cucumbers in my salad. Perhaps I should put it into a wax-bucket next to the nursery and let it finish digesting there. Strained cucumbers, that's one food product you don't see on the grocery store shelves everyday. You gots to love this article. -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" A. Maurer wrote in message news:384692d2_1@news3.prserv.net... > Hello! > I have a very basic question for you pro beekeepers: > How does the bee actually prepare the honey? > what is the source? pollen or nectar or both? > do they digest the above and then secrete honey by their glands? if yes than > by which glands? > > A direct reply would be great!! > > Thanx > > A. Maurer. > > Article 22269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnitebee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19649-38208B84-6@storefull-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19991103180621.04087.00001411@ng-fc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: What is Honey?? Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:20:14 -0500 Lines: 137 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.166 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.222.109.166 Message-ID: <38472744_2@news.cybertours.com> X-Trace: 2 Dec 1999 21:13:24 -0500, 209.222.109.166 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!209.222.109.166 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22269 You gots to love this article... Honey, bumble barf, wasp whoop, bee vomit, apis spew, hornet hoop, Hymenoptera hurl. These and several other not so flowery phrases refer to the regurgitated product from certain insects -- mostly Apis mellifera. If someone walked up to you at a party with an invitation to partake of a sticky partially-digested amber fluid that had been robbed from wax holding vessels filled by vomit (from small flying insects) intended for storage, continued digestion and consumption by themselves and their children, would you say "Yes that sounds marvelous, I'd love to try some"? No. I don't think so. No more than you would say, "Yes, I would love to pry open the calcified covering of a Pelecypoda and pour sweetened tomato puree mixed with spicy tuber root over the raw unprotected flesh of a living boneless bivalve mollusk swimming in a teaspoon of residual sea water and plummet the same still throbbing animal into a pool of acid at the bottom of my stomach." No, only the fevered mind of a horror film writer could imagine such a gruesome torture inflicted upon another. Apis mellifera -- the common honey bee -- what's its story? How is it that a bunch of be-winged factories can turn random droplets of plant nectar into honey? Do they worship and make supplications to the great and fearsome god Hand that orders their lives with divine indifference? How long does it take a train traveling 50 mph due east leaving Pittsburgh at 6:00 a.m. to meet a boat traveling due west up the Hudson River? Nectar is not bad stuff. Water and sugar. Add a little food coloring, carbonization and label . . . you could have a nice soft drink. Problem is it's spread all over the pasture. Even the engineering department at Davis School of Agriculture would be hard pressed to come up with a machine that could gather nectar in a cost efficient manner. Let's face it, these little bee guys work cheap. Free nectar and pollen and they're happy. Heck they can have all the pollen they want as far as I'm concerned. The less of the stuff in the atmosphere the better I like it. Have you ever seen a picture of a pollen grain under an electron microscope? I have -- medieval instruments of confession look more inviting. The Spanish Inquisition, now there's a lively bunch that knew how to inspire conversion. Even as we prepare to enter the 21st century, thousands of Mexican and Spanish Jews are still hiding under the cover of Catholicism. So a few industrious buzzers collect the nectar -- then what? Were you aware that the water content of nectar varies? Well, it does. Anything from thirty or forty percent to ninety percent or more. Maybe less, maybe more, who's got the time to sample the water content of each and every flower? Besides some of these flowers are open to low humidity drying winds that would suck the water content from a rock. With the random effects of weather and the natural distribution of variability amongst the flora it's no surprise that the water content is not uniform. Heck darn diversity is the seed of evolution. However, as any marketer can advise, consumers prefer to buy products that they can trust to be the same from day to day and purchase to purchase. Bottom line: it just won't work to deliver a product that varies from watery to thick -- depending on time of year, plants involved, and humidity of the pasture. Fortunately, the bees have solved this little problem quite nicely. The forager bees (little buzzers that fly around sucking up nectar from flowers and such) gather the raw material. These guys forage for nectar, gather and bring it back to the hive. Since they don't have handy-dandy little buckets (like in cartoons) the bees suck the honey down using a convenient organ located just posterior to the mouth affectionately called the sucking pump. From here the nectar is shuttled down the oesophagus into a thin-walled sac (corresponding to the crop of other insects) called the honey stomach -- so called because it is used to carry nectar or honey. Separating the honey stomach and the ventriculus (the real stomach) is a small sphincter like opening called the stomach mouth. The stomach mouth prevents the nectar from passing from the honey stomach into the further reaches of the honey bees' digestive system. It is here in the honey stomach that the nectar is stored during the long flight from flower to hive. Depending on whether a nectar-find was worthy of pride or required help, the first thing a foraging bee would do upon returning to the hive is dance a little jig -- thus giving the other foragers a clue to the size and location of a nectar-find. After this oratory in farting and tap-dancing is complete the forager bee (still loaded with a stomach full of nectar) would look for a house bee to receive the raw nectar. When a house bee is found, that is not otherwise occupied, the forager bee regurgitates said raw materials. As forging bees are apt to be heard saying, "I have enough to do foraging without having to do all the processing as well. You'd think with sitting around the hive all day she could keep the combs cleaner and do a little processing." In keeping with all post-industrialized factory management, the foraging bees leave the post-gathering production to house bees. Having completed their unionized roll of gathering, the foraging bees regurgitate the only slightly digested nectar and let the house bees suck it down for further processing. When the forager bee has passed a drop of nectar along, the house bee moves into action working its tiny little jaws to the chitin converting the nectar droplet into honey. The house bee has two main processing responsibilities. The first is to dehydrate the nectar into a stable product with batch to batch consistency. This is accomplished by vomiting the nectar and chewing it down over and over again. Each cycle of the process takes about twenty seconds. Given that on the average a house bee will work approximately fifteen to twenty minutes on each droplet of nectar, that translates into about fifty chew-swallow-regurgitate cycles -- guaranteed to eventually dry out even the watery-est nectar. When the nectar's water content reaches an agreed upon concentration (set by arbitrated agreement between management and labor) the house bee stops chewing and adds the partially digested nectar to a cell in the honey comb. It is here that the second processing responsibility of the house bee is accomplished. The sugar profile of raw nectar varies from simple (glucose and fructose) to complex (sucrose). That will never do for feeding young baby bees and besides sucrose is too close to the white crystals of death extracted from sugar cane and beets to be very effective on the retail market. Nope, in the health food market something different (and sweeter) is required -- at least if one wants to compete for that ever elusive (and perhaps mob controlled)1 shelf-space. To solve this marketing dilemma honey bees inject the enzyme invertase into the nectar. The invertase enzyme converts sucrose into smaller, simplier and sweeter sugars. The process is begun in the stomach to be completed in the wax holding tanks of the honey comb over the course of a few weeks. Next time before complaining of how much work it is to lay in a supply of canned tomatoes and pickles for the winter, you may wish to recall the job of the house bee and count yourself lucky. Who would want to chew and spit up cucumbers all night long? Come to think of it, that's the very thing that happened to me the last time I had cucumbers in my salad. Perhaps I should put it into a wax-bucket next to the nursery and let it finish digesting there. Strained cucumbers, that's one food product you don't see on the grocery store shelves everyday. -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/books.html http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee http://pages.ivillage.com/wh/stonycritters/index.html "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" Dave Green wrote in message news:19991103180621.04087.00001411@ng-fc1.aol.com... > From: ClarenceIII@webtv.net (Clarence A.III) > Article 22270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news1.optus.net.au!optus!vrn.edu.au!news.deakin.edu.au!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38470B57.6B0A960F@deakin.edu.au> From: adrian X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid question References: <19991109020310.10925.00002319@ng-cm1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:14:15 +1100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.132.55.52 X-Trace: news.deakin.edu.au 944183793 139.132.55.52 (Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:16:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:16:33 EST Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22270 > > Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >> Orangerose said: >> >> >I am shocked and dismayed at the hostility and narrow-mindedness expressed >> >here. Veg*nism is a dietary choice. >> >> >> I bet that most vegans are educated, fairly well off, mostly white >> people that have probably never had a bad day. You have to have a >> pretty stable and peaceful upbringing to be concerned about animal >> rights at 15; then again, you could just be a weird kid. I'm not >> suggesting that's bad, but that you come from a somewhat rarified ideal >> environment (San Francisco too) that allows these concerns to nurture. > > I think you would probably loose this bet. A large proportion of veganism and vegetarian thinking come from hard done by countries. It actually makes better economic sense to promote a vecan lifestyle. I don't remeber the exact lie/statistic, but in most developed countries, more agricultural land is taken up with the production of food for livestock than for people. If we stopped farming animals, we could feed twice as many people. This discussion has made me hungry. Think I'll go have a nice bug juicy steak. Adrian. Article 22271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (David Miksa) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Natural Beekeeping? Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Dec 1999 03:10:18 GMT References: <38434171.3676418@news.prodigy.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991202221018.23510.00000305@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22271 >is there anyone out there, anywhere in the world, that is able to >produce honey without the use of insecticides...'natural' or >otherwise? > >It seems that from a quick perusal on Deja and on this group, that >Varroa gets them all in the end without some form of help...but does >anyone seem to be having any luck without medicating? > >Are there any resistant strains available anywhere in the world? > >This may have been discussed at length, but have patience with me as a >newcomer. I've lost several hives over the last few years (I'm a >small time hobbyist), and would love to find a way to keep them >without the chemical help. > >Anyone? > >Doug > Try e-mail to deelusbybeekeeper@up2me.com the Lusby's have been using natural size combs in their beekeeping for many years, they have varroa and do not treat, Ask the how they do it. Sincerely David Miksa Article 22272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-183-74.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: webcam for a hive ? Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 22:01:44 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> <826pg6$2c8$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b7.4a X-Server-Date: 3 Dec 1999 05:03:58 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22272 In article <826pg6$2c8$1@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > Not sure there is much to see in Montana, USA this time of year, but here is > one: > > http://beekeeper.dbs.umt.edu/cgi-bin/video.cgi > According to my web browser, there's absolutely nothing to see in Montana today. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: nobody@null.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: webcam for a hive ? Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:44:53 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3847c80a.74943484@news.pg.com> References: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22273 On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:45:03 +0100, Melanie von Orlow wrote: >Howdy, >does anybody know if there is a webcam of a bee hive available ? Or does >anybody know how to install one ? Or some pages with some hints how to >install one (including how to afford it ;-)? > >Thanks ! >Melanie > Setting up a webcam that updates at some interval is not hard at all. Assuming you have an ISP that provides some webspace for you, and a little elementary knowledge of HTML you can do it yourself pretty easily. The hard part is getting the image to update, but that is taken care of by a piece of software called "Webcam32". This software costs $25, and you can pick up a webcam for about $50, so it won't be very expensive. Check out http://surveyorcorp.com/webcam32/ for more details on the software. Phil Lachmann Article 22274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3847E18F.FCFECCBA@raytheon.com> From: "Larry S. Farris" Reply-To: lsfarris@raytheon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:28:15 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@icg.raytheon.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 944234857 147.25.198.43 (Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:27:37 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 09:27:37 CST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22274 Christopher Dainton wrote: > Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of > renovating an old extractor. I would HIGHLY recommend NOT USING this product. I am writing from my own first hand experience with it. Here's what I experienced: I bought a used stainless steel extractor. I cleaned it thoroughly and then I applied the epoxy coating (IAW the label directions). After letting it dry for a couple of weeks, I "hosed out" the extractor with hot water. This is where the problems started. The force of the hot water spray (from a garden hose), literally peeled off the coating from the sides of the extractor. At that point, I decided to completely remove the coating and it was a mess (very difficult) to remove it all, in every nook & cranny (because I had coated the extractor reel and all internal parts). My experience would suggest that you save yourself from disappointment and much additional work and not use this coating. (It sounds great in principal but in reality, it don't work!). Article 22275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 11:54:54 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <384803EE.67C0E648@midwest.net> References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> <3847E18F.FCFECCBA@raytheon.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22275 "Larry S. Farris" wrote: > > Christopher Dainton wrote: > > > Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of > > renovating an old extractor. > > I would HIGHLY recommend NOT USING this product. > I am writing from my own first hand experience with it. > > Here's what I experienced: > I bought a used stainless steel extractor. I cleaned it > thoroughly and then I applied the epoxy coating (IAW > the label directions). I've *got* to ask - why did you feel the need to coat a stainless steel tank? AL Article 22276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38480636.9CD9ABD@raytheon.com> From: "Larry S. Farris" Reply-To: lsfarris@raytheon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> <3847E18F.FCFECCBA@raytheon.com> <384803EE.67C0E648@midwest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:04:38 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.25.198.43 X-Complaints-To: news@icg.raytheon.com X-Trace: dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com 944244240 147.25.198.43 (Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:04:00 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 12:04:00 CST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22276 AL wrote: > why did you feel the need to coat a stainless steel tank? Because my thinking at the time was, that since honey is slightly acidic, I didn't want it pitting the surface of my used but "high dollar" ss extractor. The reason I did it is not really germane to the poster's original request for comments about the use of a protective conformal coating. My answer was designed to pass on my own first hand experience with such a product (and hopefully save him money, time and wasted effort). Article 22277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Nick Bown" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:46:32 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8294eo$fod$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> Reply-To: "Nick Bown" NNTP-Posting-Host: userb162.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 944248088 16141 193.149.71.145 (3 Dec 1999 19:08:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Dec 1999 19:08:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22277 Hi, I'd considered re-lining an old tin-plate extractor I had however, as the European food laws are quite strict and the covering process none too reliable, I decided to just buy a new food grade polythene and stainless steel one (and I'm glad I did as the new extractor weight much less and is a lot easier to spin). Hope this helps, Nick Christopher Dainton wrote in message news:82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com... > Hello all > Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of > renovating an old extractor. > Is there a site for this product? > Any details about where this or good alternatives can be obtained would be > welcome > Has anyone tried a method on ye olde tinplate extractor? > Thanks in advance > Chris > > > Article 22278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.sshe1.sk.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19991109020310.10925.00002319@ng-cm1.aol.com> <38470B57.6B0A960F@deakin.edu.au> Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid question Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <5gW14.863$m6.74809@news1.sshe1.sk.home.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 21:05:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.109.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.sshe1.sk.home.com 944255105 24.65.109.115 (Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:05:05 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 13:05:05 PST Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22278 adrian wrote in message news:38470B57.6B0A960F@deakin.edu.au... > > > > > > Charlie Kroeger wrote: > > > >> Orangerose said: > >> > >> >I am shocked and dismayed at the hostility and narrow-mindedness expressed > >> >here. Veg*nism is a dietary choice. > >> > >> > >> I bet that most vegans are educated, fairly well off, mostly white > >> people that have probably never had a bad day. You have to have a > >> pretty stable and peaceful upbringing to be concerned about animal > >> rights at 15; then again, you could just be a weird kid. I'm not > >> suggesting that's bad, but that you come from a somewhat rarified ideal > >> environment (San Francisco too) that allows these concerns to nurture. > > > > > > I think you would probably loose this bet. A large proportion of veganism and vegetarian > thinking come from hard done by countries. It actually makes better economic sense to promote > a vecan lifestyle. I don't remeber the exact lie/statistic, but in most developed countries, > more agricultural land is taken up with the production of food for livestock than for people. > If we stopped farming animals, we could feed twice as many people. > This discussion has made me hungry. Think I'll go have a nice bug juicy steak. > > Adrian. I heard vegans are good eating, just gotta marinate them a little longer than beef hugh > > Article 22279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman9334@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering techniques for beeswax Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:25:32 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <829g0o$rbr$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19991128185723.15597.00001153@ng-fw1.aol.com> <19991129000619.08297.00001197@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.95.121 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Dec 03 22:25:32 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; CallNet PLC_w9x) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.56.95.121 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman9334 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22279 In article <19991129000619.08297.00001197@ng-fl1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) > > >have tried cheese cloth, paper towels, coffee filters etc.. > >how do some of you folks filter your last melting of wax ? > >meaning after the wax is free of parts etc, just wax with fine particles left > > We use organdy from a fabric shop for both honey and wax. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Hi all, We use a different method from all posted so far. This is not origional as I copied an old machine labeled "Mountain Grey". Our version is made of stainless stees and comprises a cylinder approx 30" tall and about 10" across, about 2" from the top there is a trough which is high at the back and slopes down as it goes round the cylinder ending in a spout. As the wax goes through the filter medium it pours into the trough runs round to the spout and into a bucket. Now for the "secret" PRESSURE. How, well there is a tube which extends about 10" above the top of the cylinder ending in a funnel. The tube goes to about 1" from the bottom of the cylinder. Talk about a picture being worth...(grin) To get this to work we fill the cylinder with a gallon or so of water and heat it. The rest of the drum is filled with the wax. Over the rim and there needs to be a pronounced rim, we stretch the filter. We work up to the final filter which is a double layer of surgical lint. The filter is secured with Jubilee clips ( like you use on cars for hoses) when all the wax is molten and all is secure we pour a kettle of boiling water down the spout to make sure it is clear, then we pour in buckets of COLD water. Simple physics means the cold water pushes up the hot water which of course has the wax above that and shoves it through the lint down to the trough and hence to the collecting bucket. All this because the water level is 10 inches higher (hydrostatic pressure). Ours will filter as described the best part of 90 pounds of wax in a batch and it is all, barring mishaps candle quality. If the filter slips off while under pressure the result I leave to your immagination, not a pretty sight! Sorry to be so long winded, but I hope this is of some use. If anyone really wants a picture I make no promises (scanner problems) but contact me @ beeman@beeman.free-online.co.uk Regards, beeman. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:38:02 -0000 Organization: GXSN Lines: 10 Message-ID: <829knb$1et$1@gxsn.com> References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> <3847E18F.FCFECCBA@raytheon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.150.238 X-Trace: 944264747 1NNUCNF1G96EEC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22280 Thanks for your replies Frank of NZ e-mailed me direct with an interesting suggestion of coating the extractor with beeswax which has survived two seasons Any comments Chris Article 22281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Nick Bown" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filtering techniques for beeswax Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:13:23 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 24 Message-ID: <82asvs$8dv$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <19991128185723.15597.00001153@ng-fw1.aol.com> Reply-To: "Nick Bown" NNTP-Posting-Host: useri492.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 944305980 8639 194.69.106.102 (4 Dec 1999 11:13:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 1999 11:13:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22281 I know this may sound one of the most 'colourful' of the suggestions, but I always use a pair of women's nylon stockings stretched over a frame (such as a bent wire coat hanger). The wax comes through this quite easily and cleanly but the real advantage is that the 'filter' stays light in weight and is easy to dispose of. Nick Bown Hk1BeeMan wrote in message news:19991128185723.15597.00001153@ng-fw1.aol.com... > Hi gang, > Am looking for a few comments from the peanut gallery > > have tried cheese cloth, paper towels, coffee filters etc.. > how do some of you folks filter your last melting of wax ? > meaning after the wax is free of parts etc, just wax with fine particles left > > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > Article 22282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Nick Bown" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: webcam for a hive ? Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:19:05 -0000 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 34 Message-ID: <82atam$8o9$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <384677DF.D7D2D158@chemie.fu-berlin.de> <3847c80a.74943484@news.pg.com> Reply-To: "Nick Bown" NNTP-Posting-Host: useri492.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 944306326 8969 194.69.106.102 (4 Dec 1999 11:18:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 1999 11:18:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22282 Getting the image to update is easy and doesn't need any special software, just stick in an HTML page update (or redirection header pointing to the same page) with an update period of, say, 10-60 seconds. This header tag will force the users browser to reload and get the new webcam image. Page reloads were introduced in HTML 2.1 (if I remember rightly). Nick Bown wrote in message news:3847c80a.74943484@news.pg.com... > On Thu, 02 Dec 1999 14:45:03 +0100, Melanie von Orlow > wrote: > > >Howdy, > >does anybody know if there is a webcam of a bee hive available ? Or does > >anybody know how to install one ? Or some pages with some hints how to > >install one (including how to afford it ;-)? > > > >Thanks ! > >Melanie > > > > Setting up a webcam that updates at some interval is not hard at all. > Assuming you have an ISP that provides some webspace for you, and a > little elementary knowledge of HTML you can do it yourself pretty > easily. The hard part is getting the image to update, but that is > taken care of by a piece of software called "Webcam32". This software > costs $25, and you can pick up a webcam for about $50, so it won't be > very expensive. Check out http://surveyorcorp.com/webcam32/ for more > details on the software. > > Phil Lachmann > Article 22283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Question Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Dec 1999 13:55:10 GMT References: <1PxZ3.84$Wd4.11201969@alpha.sky.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991204085510.29620.00000508@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22283 John O'Brien said >>You and CC would get even better effects from the bee stings if you give up the rubbing ointment you are talking about. You need to subscribe to the Apitherapy Mailing list and read the archives about this subject or re-ask the question. http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo/apithera.htm Right on!! Even better is to use nothing. I remember Stefan (at apither) comparing a bee sting's effects to fire. What we need to put out the fire is water. We obtain the water in the form of blood by vigorously rubbing the skin at the site before a sting. This increases the flow of blood near the surface of the skin and thereby lessens the hurt. Also more blood flow means better distribution of the venom. Seems to me that any form of cooling would have the opposite effect and somewhat negate what we are trying to accomplish with the sting. Herb Article 22284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Dec 1999 02:55:54 GMT References: <8294eo$fod$1@lure.pipex.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991203215554.04392.00000518@ng-fb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22284 >> Hello all >> Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of >> renovating an old extractor. >> Is there a site for this product? brushy mountain sells the stuff 1-800-beeswax Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <38493F5D.25561B6C@earthlink.net> From: Scotty99 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What is Honey?? References: <19649-38208B84-6@storefull-154.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <19991103180621.04087.00001411@ng-fc1.aol.com> <38472744_2@news.cybertours.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 X-Trace: /w3Za7fQEufS8fQYLG/8Q7OzvCeIukrmy9Bl/EVq70aFE8g24BCBhPg1vJBkpCbQiQrKcz47GPW2!ylvltWay6S8HeTIebtiJaa1YAxqpM2t8TX2s+6SSJe/TCSjH9ofJt57bsw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:20:25 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:20:25 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22285 Midnitebee wrote: > Nectar is not bad stuff. Water and sugar. Add a little food coloring, > carbonization and label . . . you could have a nice soft drink. Problem is > it's spread all over the pasture. Even the engineering department at Davis > School of Agriculture would be hard pressed to come up with a machine that > could gather nectar in a cost efficient manner. Let's face it, these little > bee guys work cheap I heard up north that most of the worker bees are union now. If anyone is interested I have scab bees that can replace striking worker bees, lol. Scotty99 Article 22286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsin.iconnet.net!netnews.com!news-feed.fnsi.net!nntp.msen.com!206.132.58.120.MISMATCH!gw22.nn.bcandid.com!gate.bCandid.com!hub12.nn.bcandid.com!typ11.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Question Message-ID: References: <1PxZ3.84$Wd4.11201969@alpha.sky.net> <19991204085510.29620.00000508@ng-fe1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20.1640 Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.16.37 X-Trace: typ11.nn.bcandid.com 944326512 216.100.16.37 (Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:55:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:55:12 EST Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:01:31 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22286 Thanks, dude; I'll remember that. In article <19991204085510.29620.00000508@ng-fe1.aol.com>, vasak@aol.com says... > John O'Brien said >>You and CC would get even better effects from the bee > stings if you give up the rubbing ointment you > are talking about. You need to subscribe to the Apitherapy Mailing list and > read the archives about this subject or re-ask the question. > http://home4.inet.tele.dk/apimo/apithera.htm > > Right on!! Even better is to use nothing. I remember Stefan (at apither) > comparing a bee sting's effects to fire. What we need to put out the fire is > water. We obtain the water in the form of blood by vigorously rubbing the skin > at the site before a sting. This increases the flow of blood near the surface > of the skin and thereby lessens the hurt. Also more blood flow means better > distribution of the venom. > > Seems to me that any form of cooling would have the opposite effect and > somewhat negate what we are trying to accomplish with the sting. > > Herb > Article 22287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-183-244.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cold Bees Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:24:07 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 32 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b7.f4 X-Server-Date: 4 Dec 1999 05:26:39 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22287 Greetings all... It's deadly winder here in Colorado Springs this evening, and, upon returning to my warm house after having braved the elements for to pick up some delicious (and nutritious) Shrimp Egg Fu Yung, my thoughts turned toward my backyard bees. To wit: I assume that during weather like this, due to variables of insulation and heat loss, the mortality rate for bees at the outer regions of the cluster is greater than that of those in the interior of the cluster, near the queen. Two questions for those of you who may be attuned to such things (KEVIN JOHNSON, ARE YOU OUT THERE?): 1) Is the above assumption valid? 2) If it is, then does the colony, as part of it's survival mechanism, force the older bees to the edge of the cluster, thus increasing their mortality rate while simultaneously decreasing same for the younger bees, which would have many more bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive than would their older sisters? Just some thoughts as the snow blows about... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news-out.worldnet.att.net.MISMATCH!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster1!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 12:34:12 -0800 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 50 Message-ID: <82buhu$9m0$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.158 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 944340350 9920 12.72.50.158 (4 Dec 1999 20:45:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 1999 20:45:50 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22288 To #1 I say no. Your assumption is that a bee on the outside of the cluster is condemned to remain there. The cluster is more dynamic than that with bees moving around, kind of like a convection current. #2 becomes moot. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0312992224070001@pool-207-205-183-244.phnx.grid.net... > Greetings all... > > It's deadly winder here in Colorado Springs this evening, and, upon > returning to my warm house after having braved the elements for to pick up > some delicious (and nutritious) Shrimp Egg Fu Yung, my thoughts turned > toward my backyard bees. > > To wit: > > I assume that during weather like this, due to variables of insulation and > heat loss, the mortality rate for bees at the outer regions of the cluster > is greater than that of those in the interior of the cluster, near the > queen. > > Two questions for those of you who may be attuned to such things (KEVIN > JOHNSON, ARE YOU OUT THERE?): > > 1) Is the above assumption valid? > > 2) If it is, then does the colony, as part of it's survival mechanism, > force the older bees to the edge of the cluster, thus increasing their > mortality rate while simultaneously decreasing same for the younger bees, > which would have many more bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive > than would their older sisters? > > Just some thoughts as the snow blows about... > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 22289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cleanfeed.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Using Oxcalic and formic acid in the fight against Varroa Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:21:39 +0100 Organization: EDBi Lines: 22 Message-ID: <82amda$ih9$1@news.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip12.mrgnxr1.ras.tele.dk X-Trace: news.inet.tele.dk 944299242 18985 195.249.242.12 (4 Dec 1999 09:20:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: Department of Abuse NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Dec 1999 09:20:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22289 Dear beekeeper! I have now put up the Report as an Adobe PDF file, so that Unix and Macintosh owners also have a change to read the Varroa report about use of Oxalic acid and Formic acid in the fight against Varroa. Visit the URL http://apimo.dk/programs/varroa_report.pdf best regards Jorn Johanesson EDBi = multilingual Beekeeping software since 1987 http://apimo.dk (USA) apimo@post4.tele.dk Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 22290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "A. Maurer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax, Propolis, Royal jelly Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 23:03:42 +0200 Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2116.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2201.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.32.4 Message-ID: <38498eaa_3@news3.prserv.net> X-Trace: 4 Dec 1999 21:59:06 GMT, 139.92.32.4 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services X-Complaints-To: abuse@prserv.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!newsfeed.online.be!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!newsfeed2.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news3.prserv.net!139.92.32.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22290 Hello! Can anyone help me with some info about wax, propolis and royal jelly - how are they produced or used by the bees (which glands etc..)??? Thank you very much A. Maurer Article 22291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 21:56:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <82c2mr$g0f$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.70 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Dec 04 21:56:44 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x26.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.70 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22291 HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: > Greetings all... >Does the colony, as part of it's survival mechanism, force the older >bees to the edge of the cluster, thus increasing their mortality rate >while simultaneously decreasing same for the younger bees, which would >have many more bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive than would >their older sisters? > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com ************************************************* Howdy Stretch -- Way back "when" I read from the experts that the cluster is in constant motion (rotating outside bees to the inside). This sounds reasonable. Ladies are very reluctant to let their age be known. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Dec 1999 00:10:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991204191032.02110.00000688@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22292 > >I assume that during weather like this, due to variables of insulation and >heat loss, the mortality rate for bees at the outer regions of the cluster >is greater than that of those in the interior of the cluster, near the >queen. > >Two questions for those of you who may be attuned to such things (KEVIN >JOHNSON, ARE YOU OUT THERE?): > >1) Is the above assumption valid? > >2) If it is, then does the colony, as part of it's survival mechanism, >force the older bees to the edge of the cluster, thus increasing their >mortality rate while simultaneously decreasing same for the younger bees, >which would have many more bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive >than would their older sisters? > >Just some thoughts as the snow blows about... > here i is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! them bees is jus fine, they're swapping places round and round, eatin and vibratin them wing muscles. you jus send me some pics a that snow ya hear ?????? a bus ticket to see it would be even better Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: ddempsey@tco.net (Daniel D. Dempsey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees and Other Thongs Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 03:22:46 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3849d908.837441@news.tco.net> References: <19991204191032.02110.00000688@ng-cj1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22293 >you jus send me some pics a that snow ya hear ?????? > >a bus ticket to see it would be even better > > >Kevin Better yet come further west 65 today sun shine and you can look east and see snow(50 Mi.) north snow (85 Mi. and west snow (40 Mi.) and work all day in just a long sleve shirt. Some days it just dont get any better. Dan Article 22294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo2!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!alpha.sky.net!not-for-mail From: "John O'Brien" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1PxZ3.84$Wd4.11201969@alpha.sky.net> <19991204085510.29620.00000508@ng-fe1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Sting Question Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 08:53:51 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.90.4.190 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sky.net X-Trace: alpha.sky.net 944405650 209.90.4.190 (Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:54:10 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:54:10 CDT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22294 Vasak wrote in message > > Right on!! Even better is to use nothing. I remember Stefan (at apither) > comparing a bee sting's effects to fire. What we need to put out the fire is > water. We obtain the water in the form of blood by vigorously rubbing the skin > at the site before a sting. This increases the flow of blood near the surface Thanks for sharing that. I also use nothing, but your method of rubbing the skin before makes sense and I will try that. John Article 22295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <384A8634.F3D29D6@earthlink.net> From: Scotty99 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid question References: <19991109020310.10925.00002319@ng-cm1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 139 X-Trace: /wmbEg9birKNC9rSSEigf51oOLwzYbcYEkbC+i883+MudlmDlumKOEbsq+4ibdnk15jt2A9mFAod!dNayj5FWVzv9vJKnravD2T4Y3aTrc5j5cpWCLppIX9egPUDNN58ZO2GF X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 15:35:07 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 15:35:07 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22295 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > Orangerose said: > > >I am shocked and dismayed at the hostility and narrow-mindedness expressed > >here. Veg*nism is a dietary choice. > > It's a little known fact that after keeping bees for many years, the > beekeeper is overcome by the stronger culture of the bees and becomes > the one who is kept. > > Some beekeepers are traditional farmer-like, plodding, boringly > patriotic tedious non thinking homophobic, and vegan hating. We had some > guy posting here recently who was on about fornicators spreading aids > with the help of mosquitos, probably a typical southern beekeeper. > > > Such vegans often > >do not even keep pets. Extreme? yes. Anything wrong with it? > > Extremism is as American as Tom Delay, perfectly normal; > but how come you don't you want a real friend, a nice dog? A dog won't > care if you're a vegan, although he might not get too enthusiastic over > the table scraps, he/she will, love you just the same. You should see > how many are out there, just take a visit to the pound, every cage full. > > > The (mis)treatment of plants has > >nothing to do with it and is merely a red herring to divert the argument. I > >have never been asked this question by someone who did not seem to feel that MY > >dietary/lifestyle choice somehow threatened theirs. > > Relax, nothing you do threatens me. > > If your reasons for not mis-treating animals are well articulated, then > it's only natural to attach that logic to everything we eat. I think > for instance that the relentless hybridizing and now genetically > modifying and patenting necessary food plants is evil and should be > stopped. > > It is for instance, monstrous to put fish genes in tomatoes just to > increase shelf life in a supermarket. > > I also think it's disrespectful to the plant, and discounts the plant's > evolutionary struggles to arrive at its present stable and nutritious > form. There are fundamental truths of nature, like realizing a few genes > separate homos from being some other primate, or a plant, and depending > on the code you get, depends on what you turn out to be. Maybe those > hindus are on to something. > > >I would put forth that prosteletizing Christians are just > >as annoying as prostelitizing veg*ns. > > I agree. > > > I think of Christians as basically nice people who are trying to do the right thing in > >this world by living compassionately and with grace. > > Some people need to have religion, I think that's pretty well > established; but, when they start operating radio and television > stations and are allowed by the state, to accumulate large amounts of > cash and property because mostly they pay no taxes, like corporations, > then their next step is toward politics; in fact, they've already taken > it, and we're seeing the early benefits of this thinking in our present > sitting congress; even though many who got out the vote are now > disappointed to find their representatives have been more changed by the > system (i.e. bribery and corruption) than the other way around; but, as > all can see, even christians have now rationalized greed. > > I think christians should take a page out of that book where Jesus is > quoted by his trusted apostle Matthew in that part of the synoptic > gospels of the same name, where Jesus, unequivocally states: (Mat. 6:5) > and warns against conspicuous prayer, and spreading tedium. Jesus > further adds cryptically: "they shall have their reward" and I would > add, I hope so. > > I keep remembering what H.L. Mencken said about the puritans: "I don't > mind them thinking like they do, I just don't want them wanting me to > think like they do." > > >Not a Christian, yet I am the first to defend Christians with all > >my heart and soul. > > Maybe you should come to Amarillo, Texas, join one of those off the wall > christian churches (there are more than 300 odd) and don't forget to > tell them you're a vegan. You may have to explain what that means, but > after that, you'll be able to formulate a more educated opinion > regarding your above statement. > > > Most veg*ns are basically good people with good values and good intentions and a healthy > >respect for life and the natural world. > > I bet that most vegans are educated, fairly well off, mostly white > people that have probably never had a bad day. You have to have a > pretty stable and peaceful upbringing to be concerned about animal > rights at 15; then again, you could just be a weird kid. I'm not > suggesting that's bad, but that you come from a somewhat rarified ideal > environment (San Francisco too) that allows these concerns to nurture. > > Vegans get more attention than they deserve rather like the communist > manifesto, when it was first published. This is because those ideas > threatened the establishment that knows it's basically wrong, but would > rather die than change, or have you die for reminding them. > > >Everyone is entitled to their opinion > > Now, I'll fight for that. > > Charlie Kroeger > > - > They intoxicate themselves with work so they won't see how they > really are. > > Aldous Huxley Most meat eaters are no different than vegans. Vegans refuse to eat any meats. I can respect this decision. I myself will not eat meat that has been factory farmed. Now many meat eaters will eat beef, pork, chicken, and fish. They won't eat cats, dogs, and horses. Why? It's meat too and probably is every bit as tastey as other meats. If you try to eat a horse in Texas you'll be lynched, yet in Belguim it's a tastey treat. So meat eaters can call vegans freaks for being compassionate towards all animals while the meat eaters themselves display this "freaky" compassion over certain animals. I know many persons who won't eat bambi or thumper even though thumper is much more efficient converting grain into meat than is elsie or babe and has much less fat and cholesterol than any other meat including chicken. Thus, meat eaters are just as goofy as vegans. I haven't even brought up the subject of insects. Many meat eaters also have something against eating our winged friends of the insect world. A grasshopper is nothing more than a land lobster. Grasshoppers, crickets, ants, meal worms, and bee larvea are some good eats although a lot of freaky carnivores won't touch this food. It's kind of an upside down world where one won't eat a wholesome plate of meal worms yet will gorge themselves on a chicken that was raised in a 16" x 22" cage with 9 other chickens, fed a diet that includes chicken guts of the decaying and rotting chickens that die in these concentration camp conditions, is debeaked and injected full of antibiotics in an effort to counteract the unsanitary lviing conditions, and whose processed body weight is 10% fecal soup when purchased at the grocery store. I'd prefer a honey dipped grasshopper to this sort of chicken any day of the week. Scotty99 Article 22296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ70!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid question Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 10:29:42 -0600 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 12 Message-ID: <384A92F6.5294ED6C@midwest.net> References: <19991109020310.10925.00002319@ng-cm1.aol.com> <384A8634.F3D29D6@earthlink.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22296 Scotty99 wrote: > I'd prefer a honey dipped grasshopper.... Hmmm, locusts & honey diet - now where have I heard that one before :) AL Article 22297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Tim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: giant honeybee? Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 19:51:04 +0000 Organization: Tesco ISP Lines: 15 Message-ID: <384AC228.78BA84D8@tesco.net> Reply-To: the.dr@tesco.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.140.64.99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22297 Does anyone know anything about the giant honeybee (apis dorsata) just curious really regards Tim.. -- Remember: Above all BEE happy http://www.homestead.com/fun11/files/index.html.htm (Just another bee page) Article 22298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Richard Bonney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 14:51:30 -0500 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <384AC23B.1F91@javanet.com> References: <19991204191032.02110.00000688@ng-cj1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 0qgXkHRBPCZeMFKgJpbdqWB1W4H0/Ysca6gqXVPWeS4= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 1999 19:46:52 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-NSCP (Macintosh; U; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22298 Written accounts are available telling precisely what happens to the bees in the winter cluster. One such that I recommend is the book "The Biology of the Honey Bee" by Mark Winston. Dick Bonney rebonney@javanet.com Article 22299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.online.be!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!icx.net!not-for-mail From: "Richard D. Hackworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: is this working Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 16:25:15 -0500 Organization: ICX Online, Inc. Lines: 3 Message-ID: <82eldf$4qd$1@news3.icx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.209.168.42 X-Trace: news3.icx.net 944429295 4941 209.209.168.42 (5 Dec 1999 21:28:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@icx.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Dec 1999 21:28:15 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22299 Is this newsgroup working...cant seem to get anything lately Article 22300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: vasak@aol.com (Vasak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: is this working Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Dec 1999 21:39:13 GMT References: <82eldf$4qd$1@news3.icx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991205163913.12903.00001229@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22300 >Is this newsgroup working...cant seem to get anything lately Say what???? I can't hear a thing. Herb Article 22301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: giant honeybee? Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Dec 1999 22:11:22 GMT References: <384AC228.78BA84D8@tesco.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <19991205171122.22759.00000042@ngol03.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22301 yeah i know something about them Al Article 22302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Dec 1999 23:45:18 GMT References: <384AC23B.1F91@javanet.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991205184518.21517.00000605@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22302 >Dick Bonney >rebonney@javanet.com > > > the richard bonney ?????? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 22303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: is this working Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 01:01:25 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <82f0nq$p3p$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <82eldf$4qd$1@news3.icx.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p16.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22303 "Richard D. Hackworth" wrote: >Is this newsgroup working...cant seem to get anything lately No we don't work, we're beekeepers. Maybe you need a new pickup line? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs Article 22304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: December drones Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Dec 1999 02:30:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991205213001.02288.00000814@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22304 Today, Sunday, Dec. 5, the temperature here in Eastern Mass. topped out at 60 F. The bees were flying and I observed drones entering and leaving a hive. Drones in December are not a good thing generally, as it could indicate either a queenless hive or a drone-layer. I did not have my veil and equipment with me, so I couldn't check brood patterns to see what was going on. I won't get another chance until next weekend. If real winter finally starts before then, it could be quite awhile. My question is this: Is it possible that an unseasonably warm fall in New England has fooled the queen into behaving like it's spring, complete with drone brood? It was so warm today I was wearing shorts and a T-shirt! I'm told that once upon a time in New England, people went outdoor ice skating before Thanksgiving. (I moved here from California last year and it feels like I never left.) The long-term trend in weather seems to be for warmer winters, which makes sense since 5 of the years since 1990 have been the hottest on record. This is where beekeepers are hurt by the fact that few books have been written about Southern (US) beekeeping, where winters have always been warmer. So this question is especially directed to Southern beekeepers: What's different about keeping bees in a warm winter environment, and might my drones be a result of it? Article 22305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: giant honeybee? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Dec 1999 03:01:16 GMT References: <384AC228.78BA84D8@tesco.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991205220116.02288.00000821@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22305 I read an article in the San Francisco Chronicle/Examiner archives about buddhists and bees coming into conflict. It was a travel piece about a guy who was crossing through Tibet or Nepal or somewhere. A hive of apis dorsata had set up right over the trail. The writer described a particularly vicious attack, with bees chasing the traveler's group for miles to a nearby village. Lots of stings. The writer mulls the problem facing the life-revering buddhist villagers. What to do about such an obvious hazard on an important trade and transportation route? He recounts the story of buddhists digging a hole who search through each spadeful of dirt to rescue the worms whose lives might be endangered by the spade blade. What would be the response of the local buddhists to the bees? What was the upshot? A couple of villagers went back up the trail and firebombed the hive. Apis Dorsata are very aggressive. I read that in a reference book somewhere (I can check the source if you like), but this anecdote seemed a better way to make the point. Even buddhists bend the rules where apis dorsata are concerned. Cheers, John Article 22306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Incredibly stupid question Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Dec 1999 03:10:09 GMT References: <384A92F6.5294ED6C@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991205221009.02288.00000823@ng-fw1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22306 Kudos to Scotty for posting the most convincing message yet in this thread. But I think the anwser to the gross chicken conundrum is to grow your own chickens...though I'm not opposed to honey dipped grasshoppers. Article 22307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Lines: 52 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 15:57:53 -0800 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 944459182 209.69.69.113 (Mon, 06 Dec 1999 05:46:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 05:46:22 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22307 Hey! my experience with cam-cote is great! I used camcote to coat the reel and baskets of an old galvanized extractor three years ago- and my results have been teriffic! I first had the reel and baskets sandblasted to remove all of the old finish, and then I used the camcote according to the label instructions. After three seasons of hard use, the only areas that have chipped are where the legs of the baskets sit on the floor of the reel, and these are scratches, more than chips. I have also used the same coating on an old cast iron cider press that I plan on using to press combs from my top bar hive- can't report on the durability to use since I havent used it yet, but the coating is very firmly bonded to the cast iron. If your surface is properly prepared and cleaned, I don't see why the coating wouldn't stick properly. (Read the label- no grease or wax residue, and the label recommends treating with a hot vinegar solution. I think that this would slightly etch the surface and give the coating something to grip to. My surfaces were already etched by the sandblasting, so after one messy trial with vinegar, I just painted them without the vinegar pre- treatment.) Maybe new stainless steel was too slippery a surface for the coating to adhere to. I would hesitate to coat an extractor with beeswax. I purchased an extractor that had an old coating of beeswax on the inside, and it was the most disgusting clean up job I have ever dealt with. The wax had picked up so much propolis and dirt that the coating resembled the black greasy muck you find under the burners of a stove that hasn't been cleaned in many years. Oven cleaner did eventually take off this mess, and steel wool and Scotch brite pads did the rest. We have coated it with cam-cote, and so far everything looks fine- won't be able to report on actual use untill next June. Ellen Anglin Christopher Dainton wrote in message news:82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com... > Hello all > Some time ago Camcote epoxy food grade seal was mentioned as a way of > renovating an old extractor. > Is there a site for this product? > Any details about where this or good alternatives can be obtained would be > welcome > Has anyone tried a method on ye olde tinplate extractor? > Thanks in advance > Chris > > > Article 22308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!isdnet!peer1.news.dircon.net!peer2.news.dircon.net!reader.news.dircon.net!not-for-mail From: christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Message-ID: <944436253@zbee.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 23:55:48 +0000 Distribution: world Organization: ZbeeNet computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/186 7d95084d REPLY: 240:44/0 bd72dd5b PID: FDAPX/w 1.13 UnReg H> From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" H> Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping H> Subject: Cold Bees H> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 1999 22:24:07 -0600 H> Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY H> Lines: 32 H> Message-ID: H> nx.grid.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b7.f4 H> X-Server-Date: 4 Dec 1999 05:26:39 GMT H> XRef: zbee.com sci.agriculture.beekeeping:9053 H> Path: H> newsread3.dircon.co.uk!news.dircon.co.uk!peer2.news H> .dircon.net!peer1.news.dircon.net!newspeer1.nac.net H> !nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.mindspring.ne H> t!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-183-244.phnx H> .grid.net!user X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.43.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.112.32.19 Lines: 55 NNTP-Posting-Host: newsread3.dircon.co.uk X-Trace: reader.news.dircon.net 944461984 4119 194.112.32.19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22308 H> Greetings all... H> It's deadly winder here in Colorado Springs this H> evening, and, upon returning to my warm house after H> having braved the elements for to pick up some H> delicious (and nutritious) Shrimp Egg Fu Yung, my H> thoughts turned toward my backyard bees. H> To wit: H> I assume that during weather like this, due to H> variables of insulation and heat loss, the H> mortality rate for bees at the outer regions of the H> cluster is greater than that of those in the H> interior of the cluster, near the queen. H> Two questions for those of you who may be attuned H> to such things (KEVIN JOHNSON, ARE YOU OUT THERE?): H> 1) Is the above assumption valid? H> 2) If it is, then does the colony, as part of it's H> survival mechanism, force the older bees to the H> edge of the cluster, thus increasing their H> mortality rate while simultaneously decreasing same H> for the younger bees, which would have many more H> bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive than H> would their older sisters? H> Just some thoughts as the snow blows about... H> -- H> Charles "Stretch" Ledford H> STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY H> "North America and the Entire World" H> http://www.GoStretch.com Mr Geoff Nantes had several straw skeps of bees which he over wintered on a glass shelf in his garage so he could look up and see the cluster. He sprayed the bees on the outside of the clusters with food dye. He found that over time the dyed bees entered the bottom of the cluster and eventually emerged at the top in a very similar manner to convection currents. It seems that all the bees take turns at coming inside the cluster for a warm up and refuelling and then take their turn on the outside again. If the bees aren't flying their ageing process is retarded. It is in the interest of the colony to keep all their members alive as they are part of the living thermostat. If somebody in a more extreme climate than the UK would like to repeat Mr Nantes' experiment and record ambient temperature against the time taken for individual marked bees to make a convection current cycle they might find that they cycle more quickly when the weather is colder. This is speculation which Mr Ledford with his skills and equipment could confirm or deny. Chris Slade --- * Origin: Beenet Point (240:244/186) Article 22309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feeder.qis.net!news-feeder.wcg.net!WCG!news.randori.com!cyclone-l3!cyclone-l3.usenetserver.com!news5.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December drones Message-ID: <384bbaa0.1175121812@news.usenetserver.com> References: <19991205213001.02288.00000814@ng-fw1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 31 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: admin@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:26:30 PST Organization: UseNet Server, Inc. http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 13:32:51 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22309 I have also been wondering about the unusually warm weather .. do you think that with no pollen / nector sources they are using up the winter stores much faster? I was just worried that I could starve the ladies if it would turn very cold in Jan/Feb after the past 2 months of unusually warm weather. Dave On 06 Dec 1999 02:30:01 GMT, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: >Today, Sunday, Dec. 5, the temperature here in Eastern Mass. topped out at 60 >F. The bees were flying and I observed drones entering and leaving a hive. >Drones in December are not a good thing generally, as it could indicate either >a queenless hive or a drone-layer. I did not have my veil and equipment with >me, so I couldn't check brood patterns to see what was going on. I won't get >another chance until next weekend. If real winter finally starts before then, >it could be quite awhile. >My question is this: Is it possible that an unseasonably warm fall in New >England has fooled the queen into behaving like it's spring, complete with >drone brood? It was so warm today I was wearing shorts and a T-shirt! >I'm told that once upon a time in New England, people went outdoor ice skating >before Thanksgiving. (I moved here from California last year and it feels like >I never left.) The long-term trend in weather seems to be for warmer winters, >which makes sense since 5 of the years since 1990 have been the hottest on >record. >This is where beekeepers are hurt by the fact that few books have been written >about Southern (US) beekeeping, where winters have always been warmer. So this >question is especially directed to Southern beekeepers: What's different about >keeping bees in a warm winter environment, and might my drones be a result of >it? Article 22310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!news.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: December drones Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Dec 1999 14:07:10 GMT References: <384bbaa0.1175121812@news.usenetserver.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <19991206090710.23821.00000028@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22310 I'm very worried about starvation, too. The bees probably are using up their stores much faster. So I'll toss this question out to the group to — Should Northern beekeepers start wintering their bees over in 3 deeps, or 2 deeps and a shallow, because of the warmer winters? Article 22311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uchinews!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (Bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: surface finish on old extractor Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 08:42:41 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 43 Message-ID: <384b75d1.48761131@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <82603v$2kg$1@gxsn.com> <3847E18F.FCFECCBA@raytheon.com> <829knb$1et$1@gxsn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p262-tnt8.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22311 On Fri, 3 Dec 1999 23:38:02 -0000, "Christopher Dainton" wrote: >Thanks for your replies >Frank of NZ e-mailed me direct with an interesting suggestion of coating the >extractor with beeswax which has survived two seasons >Any comments >Chris This is the message I sent to Chris. (Its a copy of an e-mail I sent to someone a couple of yrs ago, I have since used this extractor for a further season with 10 hives & will hopefully be dusting it off shortly to extract this years crop :-). ) Cheers frank ... paste I got given an old 2 frame galv extractor with a couple of hives I bought, but it had obviously been unused for a long while, and the tank was badly rusted inside, like virtually all of the bottom and some on the sides. The baskets were also rusty. I was going to throw it out, but as it is the only extractor I have I decided to try to try to coat it with beeswax. I dismantled it and then heated the tank gently over a barbeque until a piece of wax held against the metal would melt readily. I then rubbed wax all over the insides, giving a rather uneven & lumpy coating. I then gently reheated it until the wax melted again and all the imperfections in the coating smmothed out. It left a beautifully smooth coating that completely covered and bound in all the rust. Encouraged by this I coated the baskets by heating small areas at a time with a small hand held propane torch and then rubbing on the wax, and reheating just enough to smooth it out. I then used this to extract my honey (from 5 hives) with no problems at all, and the coating seems to be just as good after this as it was when I started. I cleaned it out at the end of the extracting with a hose & cold water, and I think it will still be OK next season, (unless wax moths get in or something). Even if this does happen I will certainly just redo it next season, as it is really easy to do, (much easier than writing it down :->) costs nothing & works like a charm. Hope this is useful Article 22312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (Bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: is this working Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 09:39:21 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 1 Message-ID: <384b8434.52444644@news.ihug.co.nz> References: <82eldf$4qd$1@news3.icx.net> <82f0nq$p3p$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p262-tnt8.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22312 Unemployment isn't. Article 22313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman9334@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 21:42:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <82hakf$vq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <384AC23B.1F91@javanet.com> <19991205184518.21517.00000605@ng-ce1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.95.122 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Dec 06 21:42:40 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; CallNet PLC_w9x) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.56.95.122 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman9334 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22313 I rather suspect there is a lot going on in the winter that very little is "known" about. The primary reason is I strongly suspect is that the research is so difficult. I was shown this weekend three sites for over wintering bees. One of these sites was against all "rules" yet I was assured by a very competent bee farmer that this was a good site. I am left wondering what the bees really need to winter successfully and what is legend.Is there an agreement on this? Probably not as my climate is different to yours (maritime)but what do the bees need? Seasons greetings to all the group, Pete Watt. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!hygrade.bluemarble.net!uunet!chi.uu.net!ameritech.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman9334@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Old English Brown Bee Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 21:59:25 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 47 Message-ID: <82hbjq$1or$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <81cel0$l99$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19991123152856.03706.00000798@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.95.122 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Dec 06 21:59:25 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; CallNet PLC_w9x) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.56.95.122 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman9334 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22314 OK, At the time of the so called "Isle of Wight" disease Brother Adam was in his twenties. How could he have known that all the native bees were dead? By his vocation he was "grounded" at Buckfast. The native Black bee is alive and well in the UK.This may be unpalatible and against the legend but there it is. No-one is perfect including this humble bee servent. Regards, Spirtle. In article <19991123152856.03706.00000798@ngol05.aol.com>,: > beeman writes: > > >One or two people one of whom was a > >monk who was somewhat limited in his movements given his vocation > >decided that the British please note British Black bee was defunct. > > You must be kidding. > Brother Adam travelled the world in search of better bee strains. He probably > had quite a network of beekeepers as well given his accomplishments. I think it > is unfair to characterize him as you have. Why? He wrote an untruth which has become "accepted" fact. That does not make it right. > > Could you clarify what you are saying about the member from whatever and the > British Black Bee and native bee. Is the Old English Brown Bee used for > beekeeping in Scotland. > Al >No. The theory is that the further north you go the rounder the bodies to protect the organs. There is also a way of measuring the wings "veniation" to establish which species the bee is. I have measurements off the official scale. True British Black maybee... Regards, Spirtle. You Can't believe all you read! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 22315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beeman9334@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold Bees Date: Mon, 06 Dec 1999 21:25:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 84 Message-ID: <82h9kk$4s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <944436253@zbee.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.56.95.122 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Dec 06 21:25:47 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 95; CallNet PLC_w9x) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x32.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.56.95.122 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbeeman9334 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:22315 There is a theory that this exchange of bees from the interior of the cluster to the exterior is caused by thirst. The bees on the inside of the cluster get thirsty and push to the outside to get wet air and the bees on the outside are given their chance to get in to the warm and have a feed.This was based on research done at Craibstone NOSCA. Regards, Pete Watt In article <944436253@zbee.com>, christopher.slade@zbee.com (Christopher Slade) wrote: > > H> Greetings all... > > H> It's deadly winder here in Colorado Springs this > H> evening, and, upon returning to my warm house after > H> having braved the elements for to pick up some > H> delicious (and nutritious) Shrimp Egg Fu Yung, my > H> thoughts turned toward my backyard bees. > > H> To wit: > > H> I assume that during weather like this, due to > H> variables of insulation and heat loss, the > H> mortality rate for bees at the outer regions of the > H> cluster is greater than that of those in the > H> interior of the cluster, near the queen. > > H> Two questions for those of you who may be attuned > H> to such things (KEVIN JOHNSON, ARE YOU OUT THERE?): > > H> 1) Is the above assumption valid? > > H> 2) If it is, then does the colony, as part of it's > H> survival mechanism, force the older bees to the > H> edge of the cluster, thus increasing their > H> mortality rate while simultaneously decreasing same > H> for the younger bees, which would have many more > H> bee-hours of work to contribute to the hive than > H> would their older sisters? > > H> Just some thoughts as the snow blows about... > > H> -- > H> Charles "Stretch" Ledford > H> STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > H> "North America and the Entire World" > H> http://www.GoStretch.com > Mr Geoff Nantes had several straw skeps of bees which he over wintered on a > glass shelf in his garage so he could look up and see the cluster. He sprayed > the bees on the outside of the clusters with food dye. He found that over time > the dyed bees entered the bottom of the cluster and eventually emerged at the > top in a very similar manner to convection currents. It seems that all the bees > take turns at coming inside the cluster for a warm up and refuelling and then > take their turn on the outside again. If the bees aren't flying