Article 31005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steverappolee@yahoo.com (steve rappolee) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hybridization in apias????? Date: 30 Jan 2002 19:57:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 2 Message-ID: <5d1b4cd2.0201301957.772a0807@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.103.48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012449461 14879 127.0.0.1 (31 Jan 2002 03:57:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2002 03:57:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31005 Has there been a recorded hybrids in any of the apias genus? steve Article 31006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Almond trees in full bloom. Date: 31 Jan 2002 14:32:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 13 Message-ID: <993fd181.0201311432.4ce92742@posting.google.com> References: <3c579442$1@news.airtel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012516354 10462 127.0.0.1 (31 Jan 2002 22:32:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Jan 2002 22:32:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31006 "Airtel" wrote in message news:<3c579442$1@news.airtel.net>... > The season just started, the almond tree are in full bloom, > they are carrying plenty of pollen, there is plenty of activity. > (I suppose that you guy in southern California have the same > conditions). > > From Mallorca, Spain > > > Jose Matas. Maybe 2 more weeks till almonds start in northern Cal.so you are ahead of us. Mike Article 31007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbee asks, "Spearment oil & mite control?" Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5.uncensored-news.com Message-ID: <3c5a10ef_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@uncensored-news.com Send only the header of the offending post, DO NOT attach any file. X-Comment: NOTICE: Uncensored-News.Com does not condone, nor support, spam, illegal or copyrighted postings. X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 1 Feb 2002 03:52:15 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!feed2.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31007 Has anybody heard about spearmint oil used to control mites and if so, what do you mix with it and how much? ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds Uncensored News Source Article 31008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drezac@greenapple.com (Duane Rezac) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brewers Yeast Date: 1 Feb 2002 04:46:12 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7ec141c5.0202010446.2798837a@posting.google.com> References: <3pc58.82159$%b.4925289@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012567572 29599 127.0.0.1 (1 Feb 2002 12:46:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Feb 2002 12:46:12 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31008 "Me" wrote in message news:<3pc58.82159$%b.4925289@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... > I'm looking for a source of Brewers Yeast in 25 to 50 lb. bags or drums. > Can anyone help me. I live in west Texas in the Midland Odessa area. > Lubbock is 95 miles north of me. > > Thanks > Mark Try one of the larger feed dealers or farm supply stores in your area - Brewers Yeast is used as a feed supplement. I was able to find 50lb bags of it at one of our local feed dealers when we needed to add it to our duck's feed. Duane Rezac drezac@greenapple.com Article 31009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brewers Yeast Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:08:33 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3pc58.82159$%b.4925289@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> <7ec141c5.0202010446.2798837a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012568915 41232373 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31009 I've seen a product called diamond yeast used for cattle. It sales for about 20 dollars for 50lbs. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Duane Rezac" wrote in message news:7ec141c5.0202010446.2798837a@posting.google.com... > "Me" wrote in message news:<3pc58.82159$%b.4925289@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>... > > I'm looking for a source of Brewers Yeast in 25 to 50 lb. bags or drums. > > Can anyone help me. I live in west Texas in the Midland Odessa area. > > Lubbock is 95 miles north of me. > > > > Thanks > > Mark > > Try one of the larger feed dealers or farm supply stores in your area > - Brewers Yeast is used as a feed supplement. I was able to find 50lb > bags of it at one of our local feed dealers when we needed to add it > to our duck's feed. > > Duane Rezac > drezac@greenapple.com Article 31010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee asks, "Spearment oil & mite control?" Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 08:10:24 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3c5a10ef_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012569026 40291022 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31010 There are all sorts of concoctions that people use. There are only a hand full of legal authorized medications. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "William C" wrote in message news:3c5a10ef_1@news5.uncensored-news.com... > Has anybody heard about spearmint oil used to control mites and if so, what > do you mix with it and how much? > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com > With NINE Servers In California And Texas - The Worlds Uncensored News Source > Article 31011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Feb 2002 16:42:52 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: using sugar as a varroacide Message-ID: <20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31011 Hi all, Have used bayvarol in autumn last year. And if needed will treat for varroa again in spring. Anyone had any experience of dusting bees with icing sugar? Is it effective? Timing of treatment? Quantity of sugar? Any help much appreciated. Presumably will need an open mesh floor for it to work. Cheers Article 31012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:49:19 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 275 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p118.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1012594147 23240 203.96.192.246 (1 Feb 2002 20:09:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Feb 2002 20:09:07 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!203.96.216.22!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31012 Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:iif45u438r2n7bahp3tv0vk6c4sm0mo7cc@4ax.com... > >i do a search am > >confronted with 1,000's of websites, > >information explosion, brain implodes > >:) > > Hi Carmen as you say information overload, and where's >the wisdom? :) Perhaps potentially it is everywhere Hey Charlie apologies for taking so long to get back to this thread. > >Living in a country that is by comparison easier > >popular opinion here is that the US is > >land of priviledge and plenty it really gives cause to.. > > Only if you have money, and if you don't you're looked upon as being > morally disreputable, it's true. This was not what Jesus had in > mind at all. Can't see how moral reputation equates with money, in some cases quite the opposite is true. snip > >I guess that would have the effect of marketing to the masses ideas that the > >drugs being advertised are necessary to improve one's life. > > The ads tell the viewers 'they' are there, that's the thing. Of > course there's more, like showing happy pain free people (who > apparently have taken the drug) doing all the things they couldn't > do before. That seems to be the underlying message in advertising with all commodities, the notion buy it and life will be better. thanks for the comments on FDA and the processes involved, I've snipped to abbreviate > >Westinghouse > >haven't heard of that > > A very large corporation that makes a lot of 'consumer' goods like > fridges and washers, and 'consumer' electronics. Ahh yes I recall now, we do have Westinghouse fridges etc over here, but I hadn't heard of all the other industry that they are into. I like to buy NZ made, it is a good policy :) and most of our companies don't make machines of war snip > >Perhaps by comparison NZ'ers are rasonably politcally aware. > > Maybe, but the real reason lies in the fact that you have the > advantage of being a small 'homogeneous' population; small yes but not that homogenous, people from all over the world live here. >ok maybe a few > Maori indians might object, but really it's just so and you have the > advantage of a small population around 4 million I believe. yes less than 4 million 'Maori Indians' :) just 'Maori' > It is a lot different when your country has 280 million of which > huge numbers are immigrants and ethically mixed from every country > on the planet. How many people in the WTC buildings were from > foreign countries? Probably lots in fact one of our people, from the town we live near, was standing on the steps of the WTC talking to his wife on the mobile phone, he was just about to enter the building when the event occurred. > >Teachers gave out pills ..? > >you're kidding me surely > >if that were to happen here there would be a huge outcry of objections !!! > > Well it happened here too, when the news got out..the shit really > hit the fan. Teachers still have a lot of power to 'force' parents > of a hyperactive child to put him on Ritalin, but I guess that's > better than having your kid drugged without your knowledge. Teachers have no such power here. > > >Surely there are many other aspects that should be looked at first rather > >than (what sounds like) wholesale prescription of drugs. > > It's not like that time in Omaha. Cases are dwelt with individually; > but, many parents are intimidated when they're brought before the > 'system,' when it's not the child's welfare at issue, but > maintaining order. Many parents of modest means are faced with > options that cost a lot of money, like private schools and such, if > their son (almost always a son) isn't 'sedated.' School systems can be intimidating. we have a system over here where parents and families can take along their support system to meetings with schools, that way the impacts of intimidation are lessened or perhaps lessoned :) In any event when people are intimidated by any 'system' I thoroughly recommend taking along ones support system. > >I think it fair to say that we aren't, as a nation, that easily herded, many > >kiwis often look for their own solutions, regardless of popular opinion. > >Although many here are succumbing to high pressure lifestyles, brought on by > >corporatisation and pressure to attain, perhaps, unrealistic goals, which in > >many cases compromise lifestyle choices and things such as quality leisure > >time become forfeit. > > Sounds like NZ is right on track for the future. Well one thing for sure those people who decide to settle here sure like it > >However, there is still much discussion goes on over the garden fences so to > >speak and while people are still talking, and communicating various > >alternatives, seeking solutions and problem solving, the negative effects > >may be cushioned. > >In that respect maintaining strong networks is a key principle. > > I think the most powerful thing an individual can do is to become > aware (by some miracle) and withdraw his 'support.' support of what ? > >There is a certain knowledge also comes with beekeeping, watching how the > >communities of bees work together toward postive collective outcomes is a > >valuable learning process !! > > Yes..who is the keeper, the bees or the beekeeper? > snip > > >I have considered whether it is from adrenalin, ie perhaps the > >adrenals are stimulated > > You are quite right there, a bee stings you, you're going to have a > shot of adrenalin with your bee venom, and if you don't have enough > you'll have to carry some extra with you. Of course ! I never thought of it that way, just lucky we've still got some conversation about beekeeping going on in this thread otherwise other posters might start complaining that we're grossly off-topic, but then pushing boundaries can be a good thing :) > >Or whether there is some kind of endorphine activity going on > > Yes, I believe that..an assumption derived from pure thought as it > were, I think I said as much in a post of: > > Subject: Re: apitherapy > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:08:19 -0600 > Message-ID: > > See what you think. Oh m' God Charlie Brilliant ! I have just now read it, have saved it to read again and am still digesting the contents. And you had a major motor cycle crash ? rather be dead than in severe pain????????? this conversation has become so gosh darn serendipidous !!! I can hardly believe it. My brother died in a motor cycle crash a while back I have often thought 'tis better that he went in the manner he did rather than be permanently disabled. Do you still ride ? >> >Do you ever get a sense when you go into the hive that you somehow become > >one with the hive? > > Of course :) I like you Charlie !! > >something almost > >magic about the vibration from the hum, > > Yes the curious and hypnotic music of creatures possessing some > tangible force derived from millions of years of being. I have been reading a little recently on line about 'trance' state and recognised some aspects that may in fact relate to beekeeping. It was to do with when the attention is focussed and (among other things) specifically with when attention is focussed on pin-point detail, as happens when one is attending to behives, which I think is related to clear thought etc etc etc LOL i have likened to hum of the hive to playing a hair comb, have you ever played a haircomb with a piece of paper ? it's fun / funny > >perhaps that has some influence on > >our physiology which stimulates the sense of wellbeing. > > Yes the 'relationship' becomes complete, consummate as it were. poetic > >I am also of the opinion that it has to do with the smell of the hive, in > >particular propolis, perhaps in some way aroma therapy. > > Maybe..a good point. I always suspected the smell of the 'alarm' > pheromone, that nice rather lemon like fragrance had some > interesting effect, like being in fear and amazed at the same time. you've ogone off on what could perhaps be an interesting tangent here Charlie. Can't recall experiencing 'that nice rather lemon like fragrance ' > >I was sniffing a cup of propolis recently which I had collected a while back > >wonderful stuff > > Yes, we always keep a tincture of propolis around for what 'ails' > you; big medicine if your immune system hasn't been wrecked by > anti-biotics, pollution and drugs various. haven't heard of a 'a tincture of propolis' try to stay away from all of the above, although anti-biotics are last resort and coffee ..... well how can anyone go without it ? > >To think that some people sniff solvents > >for euphoria, > >when propolis is far more pleasant > > You are it would seem some sort of bee avatar whose understanding of > these things is now within the realm of art. > > >all life, you think so ? 'avatar' had to look it up in my dictionary :) a good word ! and fine compliment, I am now enthused to work harder to live up to > > That's what the Buddha said..I think he was trying to say if there > is no 'suffering' there can be no appreciation of suffering in > others; call it understanding if you like. (Incidently, I'm not a > Buddhist) neither am I, not a practising Bhuddist but there are certainly some fine understandings and philosophies in Buddhism. Based on the wonderful words you share here, I think we should forget the PC of what is off or on topic to alt.beekeeping, it is all relative and we should talk lots and lots Carmen Article 31013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:01:28 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 284 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p118.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1012594846 23389 203.96.192.246 (1 Feb 2002 20:20:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Feb 2002 20:20:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31013 Hi Helen Helen Ward wrote in message news:P1l58.17073$M3.2972083@news1.telusplanet.net... > Just my two bits.... > the post that started this thread matched all criteria for this group. > > Bees pollinate the Ephedra > Ephedra is agriculture > Beekeepers have ample time in winter to ponder philosophy and other valuable > scientific datas. ;-) > > I am an ADHD adult on "amphetamines" - Dexedrine specifically. As a adult > diagnosed with this "syndrome" three years ago - I find the manufacturer SKB > semi-god-like. What it did for me was nothing short of a miracle seeing as I > used to self-medicate heavily. > Now I have been off the meds for a month I'm feeling ever so inclined to > work with bees more and more - lol . I am pleased you are finding solace in beekeeping > Hopefully my uncle will be so gracious as to accept my inclination. Seeing > as "we are born bee-keepers" - I thank the SRI's for helping me realize my > destiny. I am pleased you found what was needed in SRI's, I've never experienced them. Personally I would not want to go there and for some reason have some kind of natural revulsion of such things. I tend to look for natural calmatives and support others who do likewise. I'm still uncertain that we are 'born' to it, I came to it thru a series of (what seemed at the time) unrelated steps on the path. :) Although somewhat serrendipitous, after receiving the 'calling' i found out that my grandfather had kept bees long before I was born, I received the 'calling' after his passing, without actually being aware that he'd once kept bees. > Let's leave the corporate greed out of the lab - let's leave the scientists > to do their ever so valuable job. yes and yes as long as it is for the good and helps humanity without compromising the natural realms > We all "mead" to get along peeps!" : ) > and yes !! :) Carmen > > Charlie Kroeger wrote in message > news:iif45u438r2n7bahp3tv0vk6c4sm0mo7cc@4ax.com... > > >i do a search am > > >confronted with 1,000's of websites, > > >information explosion, brain implodes > > >:) > > > > Hi Carmen as you say information overload, and where's the wisdom? > > > > >Living in a country that is by comparison easier > > >popular opinion here is that the US is > > >land of priviledge and plenty it really gives cause to.. > > > > Only if you have money, and if you don't you're looked upon as being > > morally disreputable, it's true. This was not what Jesus had in > > mind at all. > > > > >the popular perception of the US > > >being a land of priviledge and plenty. > > > > That's only true for some, they are however, still in the majority > > but that figure grows smaller. > > > > >I guess that would have the effect of marketing to the masses ideas that > the > > >drugs being advertised are necessary to improve one's life. > > > > The ads tell the viewers 'they' are there, that's the thing. Of > > course there's more, like showing happy pain free people (who > > apparently have taken the drug) doing all the things they couldn't > > do before. The message hits hard on someone that might actually be > > in pain. The FDA has 'warned' some of the companies about how their > > 'product' is portrayed, but the FDA has no actual enforcement > > powers once the drug is on the market; which is odd when you think > > of it; what's the point of having a protecting 'agency' that has no > > 'teeth?' If the company didn't 'heed' the FDA's warning that comes > > in the form of a 'letter' then it is up to 'someone' to take the > > offending company to court. This is not to suggest that an FDA > > letter doesn't carry a lot of 'weight' and a letter is usually > > enough to cause the company to call their advertising agency and > > bring the ads within FDA guidelines, but sometimes, if a powerful > > corporation is run by arrogant management that sees even a 'warning' > > letter from the FDA as 'government intervention' in their business, > > then to get them to do the right thing can be an overwhelming task. > > I don't have to tell you how expensive this could be. Who among us > > can sue a drug company, this is the responsibility of the government > > itself. > > > > >Personally I think in many cases a teaspoon of honey would be a more > > >adequate recovery plan. > > > > Depends on what kind of recovery you're talking about. After > > crashing your motorcycle you'll want something stronger. > > > > >Westinghouse > > >haven't heard of that > > > > A very large corporation that makes a lot of 'consumer' goods like > > fridges and washers, and 'consumer' electronics. It also owns a > > television network (NBC) and this includes that network's news > > division; also makes a lot of jet engines like the ones for the > > B-1B, B-2, F-16 and F-117 bombers and fighter bombers respectively; > > submarine nuclear reactors and is a DOE (Dept. of Energy) Hanford > > contractor at the Y-12 plant (Oak Ridge, Tennessee) whose function > > is something called "canned subassemblies" which in effect makes a > > bomb "thermonuclear." The company division that does this has a > > quaint name: Westinghouse Environmental Management Co. > > Westinghouse also produces those nifty 'gatlin' guns now called > > "mini guns" one sees in so many films. And to think you've never > > heard of them. > > > > >Perhaps by comparison NZ'ers are rasonably politcally aware. > > > > Maybe, but the real reason lies in the fact that you have the > > advantage of being a small 'homogeneous' population; ok maybe a few > > Maori indians might object, but really it's just so and you have the > > advantage of a small population around 4 million I believe. > > > > It is a lot different when your country has 280 million of which > > huge numbers are immigrants and ethically mixed from every country > > on the planet. How many people in the WTC buildings were from > > foreign countries? > > > > >Teachers gave out pills ..? > > >you're kidding me surely > > >if that were to happen here there would be a huge outcry of objections > !!! > > > > Well it happened here too, when the news got out..the shit really > > hit the fan. Teachers still have a lot of power to 'force' parents > > of a hyperactive child to put him on Ritalin, but I guess that's > > better than having your kid drugged without your knowledge. > > > > >Good grief !! > > >Sounds like behaviour modification in the worst case scenario ! > > > > Yes that's exactly what it was. It still goes on but with a lot > > more sophistication. > > > > >Surely there are many other aspects that should be looked at first rather > > >than (what sounds like) wholesale prescription of drugs. > > > > It's not like that time in Omaha. Cases are dwelt with individually; > > but, many parents are intimidated when they're brought before the > > 'system,' when it's not the child's welfare at issue, but > > maintaining order. Many parents of modest means are faced with > > options that cost a lot of money, like private schools and such, if > > their son (almost always a son) isn't 'sedated.' > > > > >I think it fair to say that we aren't, as a nation, that easily herded, > many > > >kiwis often look for their own solutions, regardless of popular opinion. > > >Although many here are succumbing to high pressure lifestyles, brought on > by > > >corporatisation and pressure to attain, perhaps, unrealistic goals, which > in > > >many cases compromise lifestyle choices and things such as quality > leisure > > >time become forfeit. > > > > Sounds like NZ is right on track for the future. > > > > >However, there is still much discussion goes on over the garden fences so > to > > >speak and while people are still talking, and communicating various > > >alternatives, seeking solutions and problem solving, the negative > effects > > >may be cushioned. > > >In that respect maintaining strong networks is a key principle. > > > > I think the most powerful thing an individual can do is to become > > aware (by some miracle) and withdraw his 'support.' > > > > >There is a certain knowledge also comes with beekeeping, watching how the > > >communities of bees work together toward postive collective outcomes is a > > >valuable learning process !! > > > > Yes..who is the keeper, the bees or the beekeeper? > > > > >LOL > > >How many inches does that add? > > > > The advantage here is to remember what Caesar said: "men will > > believe what they want to believe" and then it could be added, > > women will understand. > > > > >I have considered whether it is from adrenalin, ie perhaps the > > >adrenals are stimulated > > > > You are quite right there, a bee stings you, you're going to have a > > shot of adrenalin with your bee venom, and if you don't have enough > > you'll have to carry some extra with you. > > > > >Or whether there is some kind of endorphine activity going on > > > > Yes, I believe that..an assumption derived from pure thought as it > > were, I think I said as much in a post of: > > > > Subject: Re: apitherapy > > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:08:19 -0600 > > Message-ID: > > > > See what you think. > > > > >Do you ever get a sense when you go into the hive that you somehow become > > >one with the hive? > > > > Of course > > > > >something almost > > >magic about the vibration from the hum, > > > > Yes the curious and hypnotic music of creatures possessing some > > tangible force derived from millions of years of being. > > > > >perhaps that has some influence on > > >our physiology which stimulates the sense of wellbeing. > > > > Yes the 'relationship' becomes complete, consummate as it were. > > > > >I am also of the opinion that it has to do with the smell of the hive, in > > >particular propolis, perhaps in some way aroma therapy. > > > > Maybe..a good point. I always suspected the smell of the 'alarm' > > pheromone, that nice rather lemon like fragrance had some > > interesting effect, like being in fear and amazed at the same time. > > > > >I was sniffing a cup of propolis recently which I had collected a while > back > > >wonderful stuff > > > > Yes, we always keep a tincture of propolis around for what 'ails' > > you; big medicine if your immune system hasn't been wrecked by > > anti-biotics, pollution and drugs various. > > > > >To think that some people sniff solvents > > >for euphoria, > > >when propolis is far more pleasant > > > > You are it would seem some sort of bee avatar whose understanding of > > these things is now within the realm of art. > > > > >all life, you think so ? > > > > That's what the Buddha said..I think he was trying to say if there > > is no 'suffering' there can be no appreciation of suffering in > > others; call it understanding if you like. (Incidently, I'm not a > > Buddhist) > > > > C.K. > > > > Article 31014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbee asks, "Spearment oil & mite control?" Message-ID: <1vfm5u8bp6lrmgk26q51t8helqtq35kbqo@4ax.com> References: <3c5a10ef_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 01:46:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.212 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1012614370 4.33.104.212 (Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:46:10 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:46:10 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 17:46:10 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31014 "BeeFarmer" wrote: >There are all sorts of concoctions that people use. There are only a hand >full of legal authorized medications. While I share your concern for safety, it is my understanding that mint oil is NOT a controlled substance. It's effectiveness is quite another matter..... John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C5B6C3E.807BA1C0@thesitefights.com> Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 22:34:06 -0600 From: Lady Java X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It's Jan 27th and they're bringing the pollen in! References: <3c548606.119751621@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.141.207 X-Trace: web2.westelcom.com 1012620757 205.232.141.207 (1 Feb 2002 22:32:37 -0500) Organization: www.westelcom.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!skynet.be!skynet.be!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!att541!ip.att.net!web2.westelcom.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31015 Heh - here in Northern NY, mine still have the electric blankets and the tiny wood stove going inside the hive!  We're in the middle of a nice ice/sleet/wind storm right now!  They're not even answering the door when I knock!  *grin*

Java
 

beekeep wrote:

Bees in my home apiary were bringing in maple pollen here in Southern
Maryland.  The new season has begun.

beekeep


  Article 31016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Y" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees looking for a new home Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.42.119 X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1012646360 16401 213.122.42.119 (2 Feb 2002 10:39:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:39:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31016 Hello A neighbour of ours (we are in Ipswich, Suffolk UK) wants to stop bee keeping and is looking for some one who wants the last 4 or 5 hives he has. These would need moving from their current location. Anyone know anyone who might be interested? Thanks Article 31017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Usenet posting techniques and guidelines Date: 2 Feb 2002 07:58:40 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1012654720 9585 166.84.1.1 (2 Feb 2002 12:58:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Feb 2002 12:58:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31017 Please try to post only in text, not in html. Please trim the article you are following-up so that there's not huge volumes of quoted text spamming up the news-spool. These techniques are neither difficult or restrictive and they make news-reading more enjoyable and effective for all readers and posters. Cheek out news.announce.newusers for all the other posting goodies. Thanks! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Zephyr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees looking for a new home Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:48:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-76-49.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1012679332 12561 217.34.76.49 (2 Feb 2002 19:48:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:48:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31018 Try contacting your local beeking association. For your area : Secretary: Susan Haynes Creeting Hills Farm Creeting St Mary Ipswich IP6 8PZ Tel: 01449 722570 Good luck Zephyr On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:39:20 +0000 (UTC), "Y" wrote: >Hello >A neighbour of ours (we are in Ipswich, Suffolk UK) wants to stop bee >keeping and is looking for some one who wants the last 4 or 5 hives he has. >These would need moving from their current location. > >Anyone know anyone who might be interested? > >Thanks > Article 31019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Real Name:" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees gnawing wood Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 01:46:06 -0800 Organization: Angry White Guys Message-ID: Reply-To: stgeorge@i-link-2.net References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!news.onramp.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31019 Hi, Remember, that bees, and ants are cousins . Ken . On Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:09:51 GMT, "Bill Hughes" wrote: >Over the years I have found signs of gnawing on my woodenware. Example once >in the fall a few years ago I placed a rat stick in the wrong way leaving no >entrance. When I checked the colony in the spring I found my mistake, but >there was a entrance grawed through the rat stick. I have also found signs >of grawing where the boxes do not meet well and the bees start using this >gap as an entrance. Am I jumping to a wrong conclustion? > >Bill Hughes >The Apiaries of Bill And Joyce Hughes > Article 31020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: lost hive? - pictures - help Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:39:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.7.197.128 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news2.east.cox.net 1012768795 68.7.197.128 (Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:39:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 15:39:55 EST Organization: Cox Communications Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!64.154.60.70.MISMATCH!newsfeeds-atl2!newsfeeds-atl1.usenetserver.com!cox.net!news2.east.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31020 I recently lost a hive. I opened it up today and found that the few remaining bees were frozen in time. They almost looked alive on the comb, like a picture, but they were all dead. They were mainly in two clumps on the comb. In one of the clumps you can clearly see the queen. I put some pictures on a web page, link below. Can anyone give me any ideas of what went wrong? They had a whole super of honey on top and some stores in the lower hive body. There wasn't much brood though. This hive was from a package in the spring and I live in San Diego, so the weather doesn't get very cold. http://www.kernweb.com/bees.htm Thanks, Dave Article 31021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tattifalarious Plumptiousness Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <56dr5ukvqkrmcuvqnodi11jucqsunnjcv5@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:08:51 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news11-gui.server.ntli.net 1012774143 80.1.219.11 (Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:09:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:09:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31021 On Sun, 03 Feb 2002 20:39:55 GMT, "Dave" wrote: >Can anyone give me any ideas of what went wrong? From the pictures I would say there simply weren't enough of them to survive. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis In the land of the mad, only the mad man is sane. Article 31022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:01:53 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31022 > I recently lost a hive. I opened it up today and found that the few > remaining bees were frozen in time. They almost looked alive on the comb, > like a picture, but they were all dead. They were mainly in two clumps on > the comb. In one of the clumps you can clearly see the queen. I put some > pictures on a web page, link below. Might I suggest you take a second look, especially into the roof of the cells containing dead brood, uncap a few. You're looking for a white/ yellow deposit, looks like sawdust stuck on the roof. This is Varroa faeces and indicates too high an infestation of Varroa for the bees to live with. Visit our Picture Gallery on our web site, www.beeworks.com we have a good example of a heavey infestation. Other than that, I would suggest a failing, old queen, looking at the spotty brood pattern. Regards Dave.. -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 31023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Luc Lauzon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:05:19 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.130.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1012792152 209.226.130.119 (Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:09:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:09:12 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31023 (My English might be rusty, first language is french...) this is just an opinion... About your lost hive, looking at the picture Dscn3374, from my sad experience, seems it could be American Foulbrood, especially if, when inserting a stick or straw in the cell (left of picture, bottom uncapped cell) the inside comes out like glue. The situation might be that, even though the queen had been laying eggs, the the infected larvaes wouldn't survive, and what's more of a problem is that the other bees had to clean out the cells, and propagate the infection, possible because of a weakness induced by varroa infestation. This is just an opinion... Article 31024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:10:39 -0700 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-8.internode.net (198.161.229.184) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012792212 42074809 198.161.229.184 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-8.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31024 > ...our Picture Gallery on our web site, www.beeworks.com we have a good example > of a heavey infestation. Okay, maybe -- but the URL given points to a commercial bee supply page -- and there is no obvious link at that site to what we are discussing. How about a direct URL to the relevant page? allen Article 31025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 23:44:20 -0600 Lines: 195 Message-ID: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.66 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012801463 43188387 216.167.143.66 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31025 Carmen greetings, (then you said) >Can't see how moral reputation equates with money Well of course it doesn't but that attitude is quite widespread. There's a lot of christians out there who have made their decision about god and manna. Attitudes like this one helps them t forget in light of Jesus's parable (the easiest one to understand) regarding "the eye of the needle." Ignoring the warning (if they are believers) requires a new understanding with God (his dad) whereas their 'good fortune' is really a reflection of His favor. It is bad that a few have so much while many just get by and an unknown but considerable number go without. It is interesting to muse on Jesus's message where he did not equivocate about wealth and how if the wealthy 'gave' their money to the poor this condition would disappear. He about got thrown off a cliff over that speech. (He was speaking in a public place at the time, and Jesus had to leg it fast..bible passage locations furnished if pressed) The message then was simple: the rich cause poverty, even though they have been told they create jobs. Incidently, I'm not a Christian. >in some cases quite theopposite is true. That would 'actually' be in all cases. >I like to buy NZ made, it is a good policy Yes local economies supplying the needs of local communities with fair trade (not free) with other countries for those things your economy cannot produce. What's wrong with that? The only reason I can make out for "globalization" is to have near slave labour to increase multinational's profits (obscenely) while keeping prices high in the consuming market. (that's us) Take Microsoft's new product, the "X box" ( a product to compete with "play station" and the "game cube")..it's made in a Mexican factory called a "Maquiladora" where Microsoft bragged about "cutting 75% of the price of labor) See below my answer to your question: >support of what? http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/vol2no8/maquiladora.htm >and most of our companies don't make machines of war You're lucky there. A big problem with ending up like America and Russia did after WWII was that they both had large victorious armies, (militaries) and the gratitude of their respective governments. It's a long story, but the results of this have not been altogether satisfactory. The Russians since the end of that war never had a decent civilian economy but their military economy was excellent. The Americans you know, but now without the advantages of regulatory factors of the past (i.e. a system of checks and balances) the military is being funded for a war on three fronts, a third of the annual budget, and it keeps getting larger, and when things happen like September Eleventh, it doesn't help this trend. >yes less than 4 million >'Maori Indians' It's a good thing too, otherwise no one would ever be able to beat the "Allblacks." >we have a system over here where parents and families can take along their >support system to meetings with schools What does that mean exactly? A brace of pit bulls, a concealed weapon, one's attorney perhaps? >In any event when people are intimidated by any 'system' I thoroughly >recommend taking along ones support system. Damn right. >support of what ? Stop buying stuff. >other posters might start complaining that we're grossly >off-topic, but then pushing boundaries can be a good thing Not with this bunch. >And you had a major motor cycle crash ? >rather be dead than in severe pain????????? I think so, too much pain for too long makes you begin to want to take your chances with the great beyond. I was wearing my helmet (open faced unfortunately) so I wasn't an organ donor, but there was still plenty of hamburger and a few crushed up bones. Mrs. Kroeger if she's looking for me, has been heard to ask: "have you seen a guy with a cross on his head?" >My brother died in a motor cycle crash a while back >I have often thought 'tis better that he went in the manner he did rather >than be permanently disabled. >Do you still ride ? I'm sorry to hear that, but it's true, better to exit swiftly if not stylishly like T.E. Lawrence than become a dribbling vegetable, so tedious. After a period of post traumatic stress, I begin to rebuild the beast (aka the prairie rocket, a stripped down '80 goldwing 1100, your basic frame with that motor and a seat) Mrs. Kroeger becomes morose and threatening if I talk about riding it again, and indeed she believes it doesn't run, so that's how things stand, but to answer your question, yes I do. >I like you Charlie !! Thanks Carmen I like you too. > have you ever >played a haircomb with a piece of paper ? it's fun / funny No but 'sounds' sublime. >Can't recall experiencing 'that nice rather lemon like fragrance Well it's definitely unmistakable when disturbing (my) hives this fragrance comes pouring out. Maybe your bees are not alarmed when you open them? I have 'african bees.' >haven't heard of a 'a tincture of propolis' It's du reguiere for taking propolis as a medicament. We like it with peppermint tea. See a post of mine about propolis: http://ibiblio.org/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/bee-l/log9910d.txt do a search for: "The miracle of propolis" (no quotes no case) There's some changes I would make to that post namely I didn't make it clear about mixing the tincture. So just read the post for it's interesting 'book report' on the "Miracle of Propolis." To mix a tincture of propolis: (as I use it) In a 'disposable' jar with a top mix TWO parts grain alcohol (ethanol) to ONE part propolis crystals or granules (not powdered but like medium sand) after a day or two between occasional shakes, a deep reddish liquid will appear above a certain amount of sediment..decant this liquid off and that's your tincture. If you're desperate you can also use the part with the sediment, but it's less stylish and the solids are not pleasant in tea. Here's a recipe we use for propolis 'tea:' coffee mug size cup with a mint tea bag of your choice and the juice of 1/2 lemon. Add honey to sweetness you prefer, then add about 3 or 4 ml. of the tincture. (bit less than a teaspoon) Don't be alarmed as it will 'titrate' into a milky liquid momentarily. Just stir it in. and sip slowly. It is 'medicine like' in flavor so you will know you're taking your medicine, so no whining. Very effective for sore throats, flu-like symptoms, colds various, and mild fevers. It will bring on a somnolent condition that has an effect seemingly to aid the body's natural tendency to begin the healing process. This has been my experience. >and coffee ..... well how can anyone go without it ? I agree, as captain Janeway would say, "it keeps you sharp." >Based on the wonderful words you share here, I think we should forget the PC >of what is off or on topic to alt.beekeeping, it is all relative >and we should talk lots and lots Don't hold back Carmen. C.K. Article 31026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com> Subject: Re: using sugar as a varroacide Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <%Qw78.26770$%h1.9858298@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:24:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 1012832699 66.31.162.107 (Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:24:59 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 09:24:59 EST Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws06.ne.mediaone.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31026 I have not tried this technique, but I believe it's a method for determining varroa count, not as a treatment. It replaces the ether roll test - use sugar instead of ether so the bees can be returned to the colony after the test. -Steve "POTENTS" wrote in message news:20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com... > Hi all, > > Have used bayvarol in autumn last year. And if needed will treat for varroa > again in spring. > Anyone had any experience of dusting bees with icing sugar? > Is it effective? > Timing of treatment? > Quantity of sugar? > Any help much appreciated. > Presumably will need an open mesh floor for it to work. > Cheers Article 31027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: =?koi8-r?B?5uny7eEg8uXh7On69eX0IPDv5PPv7O7l/u7v5SDt4fPs7w==?= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:54:30 +0200 Organization: Alkar Teleport News Server Lines: 39 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.248.163.134 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1ADAD.60ABBDE0" X-Trace: pandora.alkar.net 1012841678 75791 195.248.163.134 (4 Feb 2002 16:54:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@alkar.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 16:54:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!carrier.kiev.ua!news.alkar.net!ATNS!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31027 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1ADAD.60ABBDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =F0=D2=CF=C4=C1=D6=C1 =D0=CF=C4=D3=CF=CC=CE=C5=DE=CE=CF=C7=CF = =CD=C1=D3=CC=C1, =C4=CF 10 =D4=CF=CE=CE =D7 =CE=C5=C4=C5=CC=C0, = =DA=C1=CB=D5=D0=CB=C1 =D0=CF=C4=D3=CF=CC=CE=C5=DE=CE=C9=CB=C1, =D0=C5=D2=C5=D2=C1=C2=CF=D4=CB=C1 = =C4=C1=D7=C1=CC=D8=CE=C9=DE=C5=D3=CB=CF=C7=CF =D3=D9=D2=D8=D1. =F4=C5=CC=C5=C6=CF=CE =D7 =C7. =F0=C1=D7=CC=CF=C7=D2=C1=C4 (805632) = 5-45-44, =C6=C1=CB=D3 (805632) 5-45-88 ------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1ADAD.60ABBDE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0128_01C1ADAD.60ABBDE0-- Article 31028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andrew Pedley" References: <20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com> <%Qw78.26770$%h1.9858298@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Subject: Re: using sugar as a varroacide Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:19:42 -0000 Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-120-43-28.webport.bt.net 213.120.43.28 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!stannard.sniffout.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31028 no direct experience of this, but advised that it works, BUT that you have to dust every frame repeatedly with icing sugar for several days; talcum powder is an alternative; works as bees groom to rid themselves of the dust, and mite at the same time. Not recommended, as I uunderstand, as a treatment. "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:%Qw78.26770$%h1.9858298@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > I have not tried this technique, but I believe it's a method for determining > varroa count, not as a treatment. It replaces the ether roll test - use > sugar instead of ether so the bees can be returned to the colony after the > test. > > -Steve > > "POTENTS" wrote in message > news:20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com... > > Hi all, > > > > Have used bayvarol in autumn last year. And if needed will treat for > varroa > > again in spring. > > Anyone had any experience of dusting bees with icing sugar? > > Is it effective? > > Timing of treatment? > > Quantity of sugar? > > Any help much appreciated. > > Presumably will need an open mesh floor for it to work. > > Cheers > > Article 31029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:46:29 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 34 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31029 My nemesis is looking over my shoulder again!!! I did suppose, wrongly, that anyone with an ounce of intelligence would be able to select another link to a Picture Gallery, obviously not!!! If you cannot open your eyes, try www.beeworks.com/gallery/index1.htm Then look on page 3..Varroa faeces. -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:a3ku2k$1840lp$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > ...our Picture Gallery on our web site, www.beeworks.com we have a good > example > > of a heavey infestation. > > Okay, maybe -- but the URL given points to a commercial bee supply page -- > and there is no obvious link at that site to what we are discussing. > > How about a direct URL to the relevant page? > > allen > > > > Article 31030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 04:01:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1012881691 24.31.219.77 (Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:01:31 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:01:31 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!lax2-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31030 "Dave" wrote in message Can anyone give me any ideas of what went wrong? > http://www.kernweb.com/bees.htm In San Diego you should have more brood than that. Brood rearing was greatly reduced, so the adult population dwindled. The queen may have just petered out. OR.... I would look carefully at the perforated cap cells to see if there is AFB scale in these cells. Check http://pollinator.com/afbscale.htm I could not see quite well enough to tell. Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 31031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3c579442$1@news.airtel.net> Subject: Re: Almond trees in full bloom. Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <8SI78.84971$a07.21280206@typhoon.southeast.rr.com> Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 04:05:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1012881924 24.31.219.77 (Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:05:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:05:24 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31031 "Airtel" wrote in message news:3c579442$1@news.airtel.net... > The season just started, the almond tree are in full bloom, > they are carrying plenty of pollen, there is plenty of activity. Azaleas are in bloom here in South Carolina, actually were open in January. This is the earliest anyone can remember. Our bees also have the normal henbit, wild mustard, maple and some tag alder to keep them occupied. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 31032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 09:05:40 -0700 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-3.internode.net (198.161.229.179) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012925194 43885697 198.161.229.179 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-3.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31032 "David Eyre" wrote in message news:u5ul33sp3a6g5b@corp.supernews.com... > My nemesis is looking over my shoulder again!!! > I did suppose, wrongly, that anyone with an ounce of intelligence would > be able to select another link to a Picture Gallery, obviously not!!! > If you cannot open your eyes, try www.beeworks.com/gallery/index1.htm > Then look on page 3..Varroa faeces. I can see you have not lost your charm or good manners, and I can also see that you have not quit plugging your commercial site at any slight pretext. Bully for you! Someone less subtle might have just given the direct URL to the photo, then let people drift back to the commercial stuff -- if they wanted, but you wanted to be sure we got the *whole* Beeworks experience while chasing the bait. After your graceful and tactful clarification here on the group, I did eventually find the picture by following the link you said was on the main page, and following it through to the actual URL -- just to prove your point. Boy! do I feel stupid! Thanks for going so easy on me. The link *was*, indeed, on the main page. Moreover it was prominently displayed in very tiny print among the very last items on the page. Darn! The fact that this link mentioned a photo gallery, not varroa, should not have stopped me, since beekeepers are psychic and should be able to easily guess what lies buried down in those links. Even as far as Page Three. The same X-ray vision is useful for finding varroa in capped cells. Besides, we all know that 'photo gallery' is just a British term for 'varroa faeces picture'. The fact that there was no obvious way to go direct to the picture in question without waiting for all the photos to fill in, and then looking at everything on each page, should not have deterred me either. After all, my time is worth nothing -- and I got a free puzzle in the bargain. Too bad we have never met, David. It is not because I haven't tried. I missed you at Apimondia in Vancouver, then on two different occasions, several years back, when passing through Orillia, my son and I searched in vain at the street address you gave for your shop. We even asked at neighbouring businesses, but none had heard of you. I wanted to shake your hand and congratulate you on your kindness and your patient, tolerant way of dealing with differences of opinion, but we were totally unable to find your premises -- or any sign of them. I trust you are easier to find these days. Maybe some day soon you will look up from your work and see my smiling face at your door. Maybe then we can meet, and catch up on all the good times we have had together on the net. allen Article 31033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: using sugar as a varroacide Date: 5 Feb 2002 17:15:10 GMT Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com> <%Qw78.26770$%h1.9858298@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.10 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31033 On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:19:42 -0000, "Andrew Pedley" wrote: >no direct experience of this, but advised that it works, BUT that you have >to dust every frame repeatedly with icing sugar for several days; talcum >powder is an alternative; works as bees groom to rid themselves of the dust, >and mite at the same time. Not recommended, as I uunderstand, as a >treatment. Certainly it's not a treatment. But I wonder if it would have any significant effect if used as part of a typical management system. For example if you simply dust every time you open the hive to inspect, add supers etc. Using a shaker or hand powered blower (as for dusting roses, etc.) would make it a quick and easy task. If it only helped 15-25% it would be worth the effort and it could be used during honey flowes unlike the drugs. Has anyone done a study on thi?s (i sort of doubt it.) -Tim Article 31034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: lost hive? - pictures - help Date: 5 Feb 2002 09:16:26 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <993fd181.0202050916.6637ed5d@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012929386 1947 127.0.0.1 (5 Feb 2002 17:16:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 2002 17:16:26 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31034 "Dave" wrote in message news: Can anyone give me any ideas of what went wrong? They had a whole super of > honey on top and some stores in the lower hive body. There wasn't much > brood though. This hive was from a package in the spring and I live in San > Diego, so the weather doesn't get very cold. > > > http://www.kernweb.com/bees.htm > > Thanks, > Dave Looks like a typical PMS crash.Varroa (and probably tracheal mites)help spread viruses that kill adult bees and brood rapidly.A hive can go from a strong one to what you have in a matter of a few weeks.Did you treat this hive for mites in late summer?What with?Some treatments are no longer working in some areas,and some never were effective.Although the package probably came from a treated hive,its pretty common for bees to pick up enough varroa from crashing hives in the area, to crash themselves. Mike Article 31035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 17:06:16 -0600 Lines: 34 Message-ID: <29o06uk3s8b6lbmv1ovdikuf3cd0p7ut9q@4ax.com> References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.119 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012950379 44238727 216.167.138.119 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.119!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31035 >Viacheslav Sheveliov ask: > >>Which (Far Eastern) bees were introduced in US? > >I don't know but someone will. > >Watch this space. > >C.K. I guess that's me.. I was reading the annual flyer sent by the "Weaver" company and in it they mention the "Russian" bee that has been studied on that island off the coast of Louisiana. This island and the work done there is headed by Dr. Tom Rinderer of the USDA-ARS Baton Rough, Louisiana, and that the bees were from the "Primorsky" forest and were being studied because it was thought these bees had been in contact with varroa mites (of that forest) longer than other bees and had evolved over this time, a significant tolerance. Weaver is selling these queens but they are "open mated" with drones from their "all-American colonies, so they will be Russian/Weaver hybrids. Anyway, I don't have to speak Russian to see that "Primorsky" forest might just be "Primordial forest" in English. 2 questions: Is that really the name of the forest in far Eastern Russia, or is it named after someone named "Primorsky" and where is it? Thanks, C.K. Article 31036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 23:47:52 +0000 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-116.edoras.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1012952729 4007 62.136.171.116 (5 Feb 2002 23:45:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Feb 2002 23:45:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31036 Just caught up on this. We have tried putting warmed honey through a liquidiser (food processor) - no good for large scale. However, you do get an interesting texture. Can somebody here give a clear definition of what creamed honey is. When experimenting with the liquidiser/processor we ended up with jars of 'layered' honey. A white 'froth' on top, a thicker 'body' and a bigger granulated layer at the bottom. One concern I would have is with weights and measures. This process (at least the way we have experimented with) includes a lot of air in the honey. Whilst this seems to settle out quite quick it leaves a rather unsightly product. Article 31037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2002020523570175982@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:57:01 GMT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Phil Gurr X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.30 10003987 Subject: Re: Russian bees References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> <29o06uk3s8b6lbmv1ovdikuf3cd0p7ut9q@4ax.com> Lines: 32 X-Trace: 1012953521 master.news.zetnet.net 29611 194.247.47.23 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31037 The message <29o06uk3s8b6lbmv1ovdikuf3cd0p7ut9q@4ax.com> from Charlie Kroeger contains these words: > Anyway, I don't have to speak Russian to see that "Primorsky" forest > might just be "Primordial forest" in English. 2 questions: > Is that really the name of the forest in far Eastern Russia, or is > it named after someone named "Primorsky" and where is it? The word in Russian means `maritime' or `littoral' ................................................................................ .................................. Primorsky Territory, Russian Federation Primorsky Territory is located in the southern part of the Russian Far East, at the edge of the Eurasian continent. It is bordered by the East Sea/Sea of Japan, China, and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Most of Primorsky Territory is mountainous, with the 2,000 km long Sikhote-Alin mountain range occupying most of the eastern part. Nearly 75% of the area is forested. The climate - with short, cold and sunny winters and rainy and cloudy summers - has given Primorsky the richest biodiversity in the Russian Federation. ................................................................................ ............................................ Phil. Article 31038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fcooke@lineone.net (Freddie Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Treatment for Varoa Date: 5 Feb 2002 17:08:14 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1b093a58.0202051708.51a499aa@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.16.40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012957694 15326 127.0.0.1 (6 Feb 2002 01:08:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Feb 2002 01:08:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!falcon.america.net!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31038 I treated my colonies September 2000 but was unable to repeat the treatment last September. Is it alright to treat them with strips later this month when I put the spring feeds on? Article 31039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C6099DB.E5B40052@nowhere.com> From: Jeff Organization: Nowhere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Resistance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 02:38:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.174.18.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news2.news.adelphia.net 1012963085 216.174.18.23 (Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:38:05 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:38:05 EST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!hub1.nntpserver.com!router2.news.adelphia.net!news2.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31039 i'm just curious, what is the state of breeding right now, have there been any new advancements in breeding through selection, etc, to stop the horrible infestations that have been destroying so many hives ? any good articles about the state of things ? have any bees been bred that have a higher resistance ? it sounds like the mites are just going to win. Article 31040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Resistance Date: 5 Feb 2002 22:15:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <993fd181.0202052215.787e5092@posting.google.com> References: <3C6099DB.E5B40052@nowhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.154 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012976142 22377 127.0.0.1 (6 Feb 2002 06:15:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Feb 2002 06:15:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31040 it sounds like the mites are just going to > win. Nope no way.Remember 'survival of the fittest'?Even if every known mite treatment were to fail completely,it would only be a matter of time before bees that had survived would repopulate.But they might not be bees we like. Anyhow,resistant strains of bees are being developed all over the world.USDA scientists have released stock from Russia that show resistance,and have shown how to select for SMR(supressed mite reproduction)in bees,in addition to releasing SMR stock.There are reports of resistant stock in Canada,Arizona,Germany,etc. Too bad Brother Adam isnt around,he would probably have enjoyed this challenge. Do a search for SMR and Russian bees on Yahoo.You will probably find lots of interesting info. -Mike (I think everyone who cares about bees is working on solving this problem in one way or another) Article 31041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:51:10 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 199 Message-ID: References: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1013029798 13892 203.96.192.10 (6 Feb 2002 21:09:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Feb 2002 21:09:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31041 Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com... snip > > The message then was simple: the rich cause poverty, even though > they have been told they create jobs. Incidently, I'm not a > Christian. Me neither so I'm not very clued up on Bible references etc that you cite. > >in some cases quite theopposite is true. > > That would 'actually' be in all cases. > > >I like to buy NZ made, it is a good policy > > Yes local economies supplying the needs of local communities with > fair trade (not free) with other countries for those things your > economy cannot produce. What's wrong with that? The only reason I > can make out for "globalization" is to have near slave labour to > increase multinational's profits (obscenely) while keeping prices > high in the consuming market. (that's us) > > Take Microsoft's new product, the "X box" ( a product to compete > with "play station" and the "game cube")..it's made in a Mexican > factory called a "Maquiladora" where Microsoft bragged about > "cutting 75% of the price of labor) See below my answer to your > question: >support of what? > > http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/vol2no8/maquiladora.htm > > >and most of our companies don't make machines of war > > You're lucky there. A big problem with ending up like America and > Russia did after WWII was that they both had large victorious > armies, (militaries) and the gratitude of their respective > governments. It's a long story, but the results of this have not > been altogether satisfactory. The Russians since the end of that war > never had a decent civilian economy but their military economy was > excellent. The Americans you know, but now without the advantages of > regulatory factors of the past (i.e. a system of checks and > balances) the military is being funded for a war on three fronts, a > third of the annual budget, and it keeps getting larger, and when > things happen like September Eleventh, it doesn't help this trend. > > >yes less than 4 million > >'Maori Indians' > > It's a good thing too, otherwise no one would ever be able to beat > the "Allblacks." I see I was a bit too succiinct in my previous post and so the meaning is unclear. There are less than 4 million people in total, including people from most nationalities. Maori aren't considered "Maori Indians" over here simply Maori > >we have a system over here where parents and families can take along their > >support system to meetings with schools > > What does that mean exactly? A brace of pit bulls, a concealed > weapon, one's attorney perhaps? Family members, friends or extended family. usually a good diea to go as a group it kind of mediates the situation and equalises the balance of power. > >In any event when people are intimidated by any 'system' I thoroughly > >recommend taking along ones support system. > > Damn right. > > >support of what ? > > Stop buying stuff. Good thinking. To get back on topic with beekeeping, people will find it quite expensive to buy honey here this season, it has been quite a remarkable honey season. It was remarked recently that with the advent of varroa there are not the usual number of bees that live un-managed in undomesticated hives, that is in the wild. So as well as weather conditions, there is perhaps a lessening of flora due to lack of pollination activity from the decreased populations of bees. > >other posters might start complaining that we're grossly > >off-topic, but then pushing boundaries can be a good thing > > Not with this bunch. > > >And you had a major motor cycle crash ? > >rather be dead than in severe pain????????? > > I think so, too much pain for too long makes you begin to want to > take your chances with the great beyond. You think there is a great beyond ? Not just some mythical realms of the hopeful ? > I was wearing my helmet > (open faced unfortunately) so I wasn't an organ donor, but there was > still plenty of hamburger and a few crushed up bones. Mrs. Kroeger > if she's looking for me, has been heard to ask: "have you seen a guy > with a cross on his head?" Well you seem to have come thru it with a sense of humour in tact > >My brother died in a motor cycle crash a while back > >I have often thought 'tis better that he went in the manner he did rather > >than be permanently disabled. > >Do you still ride ? > > I'm sorry to hear that, but it's true, better to exit swiftly if not > stylishly like T.E. Lawrence than become a dribbling vegetable, so > tedious. > > After a period of post traumatic stress, There seems to be a lot of PTSd about these days >I begin to rebuild the > beast (aka the prairie rocket, a stripped down '80 goldwing 1100, > your basic frame with that motor and a seat) Mrs. Kroeger becomes > morose and threatening if I talk about riding it again, and indeed > she believes it doesn't run, so that's how things stand, but to > answer your question, yes I do. Then I hope you travel safely > > >I like you Charlie !! > > Thanks Carmen I like you too. > > > have you ever > >played a haircomb with a piece of paper ? it's fun / funny > > No but 'sounds' sublime. > > >Can't recall experiencing 'that nice rather lemon like fragrance > > Well it's definitely unmistakable when disturbing (my) hives this > fragrance comes pouring out. Maybe your bees are not alarmed when > you open them? I have 'african bees.' You actually keep African Bees. We have Italian bees and many bees over here are bred specifically for the quietness trait. That is, queens from hives that are easily managed are generally most desirable. There was an interesting documentary here recently about the introduction of the African bees in Brazil and the US. I would not keep them myself, and hope they do not arive here, but the doco said that after the African bees arrived in Brazil, the country went from being 27th on International the list of honey producers to 4th on the list. The documentary also detailed how the African queens are attractive to European drones and they will cross, African queens then go on to lay eggs for the progeny of the European bees. They hoped to have a mass hybridisation of the species before the African bees arrived in Mexico so as to modify the temperament of the African Bees, we saw how they were going to attempt a "bee Barrier" by positioning many hives at the border to mexico to head of the wave of African bees that were on their way there. But with the onset of Varroa this was stymied, it was later discovered that even if the African queen crosses with a European drone, it is likely there will still be contact with African bee drones. It was discovered the pure African Queen progeny hatches a day earlier than the African / European hybrid Queen larvae, in so doing those queens kill off any hybrid queens that hatch the following day, so their bee barrier would not necessarily have worked anyway. We also saw how one African Queen arriving in an Italian species beehive can repopulate a hive before the beekeepers even realise and so Migratory beekeeping is not possible in Sth Texas because moving hives is illegal. While there is no such law in Tucson and migratory beekeeping is still freely practised as there are no restrictions. They say the African bees are presently in Sth California and will soon be in LA. Well anyway I'm going on a bit but it sure was interesting, all in all, it would be a brave person indeed that would take on keeping the African Bees. Thanks muchly for your Propolis tincture recipe, I have added your entire post to my faves file, for further reference. Arohanui Carmen Article 31042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3C565EDE.829D38B2@iet.hist.no> Subject: Re: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 02:40:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1013049655 24.31.219.77 (Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:40:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 21:40:55 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31042 The old myth about not painting the insides of the hives goes on and on. Beekeepers seem to pass it on forever, without a test. Most beekeepers blindly follow it without being able to give a reason. Some will say it's because the bees "don't like" painted wood. This is nonsense, unless the box is used before the paint is fully dry. Let me suggest a test for all the disbelievers. Paint one new box only on the outside, and dip one box in paint, so all surfaces are covered. Then see which box warps, and which holds perfectly straight. When wood is painted on only one side the vapor transmission characteristics are unequal (yes paint does transmit some vapor), and the boards are set up to promote warpage. The best commercial beekeepers I know paint both sides (generally by dipping). Summertime moisture has not been a problem in my experience. But the wintertime high humidity of the hive (metabolism of the bees creates it) can cause severe problems in hives without good top ventilation. Water droplets form under the cover, or, in colder areas frost. This promotes mold and disease. A twig or bottle cap under a corner of the cover is sufficient to save many a hive from being soaked by this dripping. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 31043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maxant Industries Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 07:23:20 -0000 Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.sodium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1013066921 20925 62.136.10.73 (7 Feb 2002 07:28:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Feb 2002 07:28:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31043 Can anyone help with an email address for Maxant? The old one does not work anymore and their ads in Bee Culture and ABJ no longer show an email address. Article 31044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JG in NY" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1b093a58.0202051708.51a499aa@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Treatment for Varoa Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:40:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.52.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1013071220 24.58.52.49 (Thu, 07 Feb 2002 03:40:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 03:40:20 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31044 yep. good time, too. little brood present, so the varroa are not under brood cappings, where apistan can't get 'em.. "Freddie Cooke" wrote in message news:1b093a58.0202051708.51a499aa@posting.google.com... > I treated my colonies September 2000 but was unable to repeat the > treatment last September. Is it alright to treat them with strips > later this month when I put the spring feeds on? Article 31045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Beekeeper euphoria Lines: 91 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:49:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1013089773 24.31.219.77 (Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:49:33 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:49:33 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-east.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31045 "Carmen" wrote in message news:a2jcqc$pv0$1@news.wave.co.nz... (in the thread Re: Varroa a state of mind) >>You're certainly on to something there, I have a distinct feeling of wellbeing after visiting hives and have often wondered whether others experience that same type of euphoria.>> I experience this as well, and would love to hear beekeeper comments on the possible cause(s) of this. For the most part I have attributed it to bee venom and often thought that those who wear a space suit have cut off one of the major benefits of beekeeping, as well as having the detriment of hearing one's own ham sizzling on a hot day. My standard bee suit is tan Dickies and a white t-shirt. If it's cold I wear a tan Dickie shirt. <> I did not work with bees for over a month. I found my arthritis increasingly painful, especially in the morning, when I could not close one hand into a fist, and the other only with a lot of pain. My wife handed me a jar to open, and I nearly cried, when I attempted it. This past week I got into the bees, got stung quite a few times, and the symptoms nearly disappeared. The effect lasts quite a while, a week at least. I've been awakening my wife with my "claws" opening and closing in front of her face, while I grin happily. (She thinks I'm nuts.) I am thoroughly convinced of that chemical change in my body from bee venom that suppresses arthritis pain. The euphoria is another thing, and upon reflection, it may be much more than solely a chemical thing. It is especially pronounced in the spring, when I get really high, and I come home in a delightful state, even when very tired. Besides the chemical effect, here are some of the pleasing aspects that may contribute to this euphoria: 1. Working outside: I am not fond of desk work. My computer time is usually in short stints, then I must get out and be active, or my productivity falls. Outside in the spring is something wonderful to me. 2. The harmony of bees and flowers: I have learned some botany by keeping bees, and the incredible complexity of their interactions blows my mind. To me, this is an occasion of worship of our Creator. The chance of it happening is less than the chance of my '57 Chevy being created by an explosion in an ore pit. 3. The fragrance of a healthy hive. The musky-sweet odor simply delights me, as much as it dismays me to pop a lid and experience the sickly-sour smell of parasitized bees, or the (really) foul smell of foulbrood. 4. The many varieties of odors of honey. 5. Visual satisfaction at the aesthetics of the bees, individual or en masse. This is especially true when watching a nice fat queen, but I like to watch workers and drones too. 6. Perhaps I tune with the visual or auditory rhythms of the dancing bees. Or maybe it's just the knowledge that a flow is on. It's always an exceptionally nice day for me when there is a lot of dancing. 7. The humming of the bees. This is definitely learned. When I first started keeping bees, this was perhaps the most frightening aspect. Now, the working hum of many contented bees is highly satisfying to me, while the sound of bees in attack mode is unpleasant. I have never enjoyed the odor of the warning pheromone, but that is probably an association as well. I try to take the time during the spring fruit bloom, to lay back for awhile in a shady spot and listen to the gentle hiss of the multitude, and watch the shapes of the individual bees against the sky. To me, this experience is about the ultimate in well-being. I'd like to hear from others about this euphoria, and what you think causes it. <> After suffering a bad case of heat exhaustion a few years back, I find the heat severely limits my beekeeping activity in hot weather, as it will start triggering the headache, nausea, cramps, shakiness, etc that anounce the onset of heat exhaustion. This is despite all my efforts to forestall it with pediatric electrolytes, etc. If I have to wear a bee suit in hot weather, I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Article 31046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3C565EDE.829D38B2@iet.hist.no> Subject: Re: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 15:20:59 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3c628d14$0$22350$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.27 X-Trace: 1013091604 dread03.news.tele.dk 22350 195.249.242.27 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31046 "Dave Green" skrev i en meddelelse news:XOl88.95257$a07.25035799@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > The old myth about not painting the insides of the hives goes on and on. > Beekeepers seem to pass it on forever, without a test. Most beekeepers > blindly follow it without being able to give a reason. I can give you one reason why I am not painting my hives inside: Here in Denmark AFB is very well controlled. When we treat against AFB, we move the bees to a temporary box on strips to let the bees empty the honey stomach in their work building new wax. The bees sit there for three days. In the meantime the original hives are cleaned and inside they are wash run over with a flame. If the hives were painted inside, this was not possible, because the paint will bubble up, and maybe go into fire. after this treatment the bees are thrown into the hive again on fresh foundation. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 7-02-2002 Full accounting part build in. All in one software. home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 31047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 18:57:06 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3c62cc01.430953614@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31047 On Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:49:33 GMT, "Dave Green" wrote: > I'd like to hear from others about this euphoria, and what you think >causes it. You don't suppose it was that little tiny cigarette that you smoked on the way to the apiary do you? > After suffering a bad case of heat exhaustion a few years back, I find >the heat severely limits my beekeeping activity in hot weather, as it will >start triggering the headache, nausea, cramps, shakiness, etc that anounce >the onset of heat exhaustion. This is despite all my efforts to forestall it >with pediatric electrolytes, etc. If I have to wear a bee suit in hot >weather, I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. > Well I became middle aged today by turning 50. I never hurry in the bee yard as it really doesn't help. Personally I think Busch NA is the best thing to happen in beekeeping. When it is hot I ice it down in the cooler and Bob, my Jack Russel, and I head for the yards. I keep most of my hives in the edge of the woods facing South so by mid day they are in the shade. I take my time, drink lots of fluids (the NA) and bob drinks the melted ice. I wear shorts and a tee shirt and seldom have to don the bee suit. I like Sue Cobey's way of thinking, "If you need to were a veil, you need to requeen." > >-- >Dave Green SC USA >The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Article 31048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 23:05:19 -0600 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1pm66u8suqkjf2h8ps038tk2v5li1t40os@4ax.com> References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> <29o06uk3s8b6lbmv1ovdikuf3cd0p7ut9q@4ax.com> <2002020523570175982@zetnet.co.uk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.19 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013144720 45248029 216.167.143.19 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.19!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31048 Phil Gurr said: >Primorsky Territory is located in the southern part of the Russian >Far East, at the edge of the Eurasian continent. It is bordered by >the East Sea/Sea of Japan, China, and the Democratic People's >Republic of Korea. Thanks very much.. I guess I could have looked that up myself, but I thought someone might be having us on. Since that 9-11 business I'm jumpy as a Saigon precinct chief. C.K. Article 31049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: 8 Feb 2002 06:15:45 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3c62cc01.430953614@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1013166946 29540 166.84.1.1 (8 Feb 2002 11:15:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 11:15:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31049 In article <3c62cc01.430953614@news1.radix.net>, beekeep wrote: >seldom have to don the bee suit. I like Sue Cobey's way of thinking, >"If you need to were a veil, you need to requeen." If you work bees from Eastern Europe, do you drink icy Vodka? :-) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Marked virgins and mating? Date: 8 Feb 2002 06:28:11 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 7 Message-ID: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1013167691 493 166.84.1.1 (8 Feb 2002 11:28:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 11:28:11 GMT Keywords: marked virgins mating queen marking Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!ord2-feed1.news.digex.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31050 Has Anyone ever marked virgins with paint or number disc and had them mate successfully? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf Article 31051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maxant Industries Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 07:53:34 -0600 Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYoH6sqM0U05sedsN4jgpejYl+Apwn0q+BGzWRGmxMUpM2mhod/VBIO X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 13:53:52 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31051 http://www.beesource.com/suppliers/usequip.htm > Can anyone help with an email address for Maxant? > The old one does not work anymore and their ads in Bee Culture and ABJ no > longer show an email address. Article 31052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Feb 2002 14:15:55 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Message-ID: <20020208091555.01930.00000247@mb-fj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31052 > I like Sue Cobey's way of thinking, >>"If you need to were a veil, you need to requeen." > I have never met Sue but she must have some world class nose hair. I just can't concentrate on my beekeeping when the bees are up my nose and walking in and out of my ears. Article 31053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: [WTD] Bees- London UK Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.122.18.184 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1013178536 16207 213.122.18.184 (8 Feb 2002 14:28:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 14:28:56 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.01 (1630) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31053 I am a beehaver in london UK looking to obtain some early stock . So if you know of anyone who is giving up keeping or has any stock/nucs for gift or sale please let me know. Thanks. Article 31054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: chuckwm@hotmail.com (Chuck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: 8 Feb 2002 08:42:01 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 30 Message-ID: <1b48e0c5.0202080842.24e5a9ba@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.48.25.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1013186522 12806 127.0.0.1 (8 Feb 2002 16:42:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 16:42:02 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31054 "Dave Green" wrote Someone else wrote: > I have a distinct feeling of wellbeing after visiting hives and have often > wondered whether others experience that same type of euphoria. > > I experience this as well, and would love to hear beekeeper comments on > the possible cause(s) of this. For the most part I have attributed it to bee > venom and often thought that those who wear a space suit have cut off one of > the major benefits of beekeeping, as well as having the detriment of hearing > one's own ham sizzling on a hot day. My standard bee suit is tan Dickies and > a white t-shirt. If it's cold I wear a tan Dickie shirt. I think it's pheremones. I posed this question on Bee-L but got no answers. The reason I asked about it was first, I had noticed the euphoria you mention, and second, a Univ. of Chicago researcher had just proved the ability of humans to sense (and be affected by) pheremones. I don't think it's bee venom as I am rarely stung, certainly not every time I work my hives. Of course, I only have two hives. :?>) Like you, I usually work my bees in shorts and a t-shirt, but I'm not brave enough to skip the veil. Cheers, Chuck meadmaker beekeeper Geneva, IL Article 31055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BigTimber" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:37:28 -0600 Organization: Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Lines: 31 Sender: bigtimber@att.net Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pat.niti.com X-Trace: newsreader.mailgate.org 1013189437 32647 64.73.90.228 (8 Feb 2002 17:30:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mailgate.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:30:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news.mailgate.org!newsreader.mailgate.org!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31055 "Dave Green" wrote in message news:NBv88.96128$a07.25875093@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > > After suffering a bad case of heat exhaustion a few years back, I find > the heat severely limits my beekeeping activity in hot weather, as it will > start triggering the headache, nausea, cramps, shakiness, etc that anounce > the onset of heat exhaustion. This is despite all my efforts to forestall it > with pediatric electrolytes, etc. If I have to wear a bee suit in hot > weather, I'm afraid I'll have to bow out. > Interesting side point... Your mention of heat exhaustion reminds me of a similar experience my Dad had. (The late Dr. F.E. Moeller, formerly head of the USDA Entomology Apiculture Research "Bee Lab" in Madison, WI.) He also contracted heat exhaustion one hot July afternoon, and was never the same after that; he used to drink salt water in an effort to prevent reoccurance, but still experienced the same warning signs you described when he worked his bees for any extended periods. Incidentally, he was also quite accustomed to being stung, and got the "high" (euphoria) being described in this thread. Anyway, a thought occurred to me on this -- might there be a connection between bee stings and increased tendency to contract heat exhaustion? I mean, besides the obvious fact that those who are working bees often do so out in the heat of the day anyway. -- Tim Moeller Article 31056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: 8 Feb 2002 14:36:37 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <1b48e0c5.0202080842.24e5a9ba@posting.google.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1013196998 1572 166.84.1.2 (8 Feb 2002 19:36:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 19:36:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31056 In article <1b48e0c5.0202080842.24e5a9ba@posting.google.com>, Chuck wrote: >I think it's pheremones. I posed this question on Bee-L but got no >answers. The reason I asked about it was first, I had noticed the >euphoria you mention, and second, a Univ. of Chicago researcher had >just proved the ability of humans to sense (and be affected by) >pheromones. "Pheromones" are very species specific. For example, a queen honey bee produces a compound that the workers are sensitive to at the lower nan-o-gram level. This is the billionth of a gram range. However, as the concentration of the compound goes up, the compound isn't perceived by the workers as pheromonal. It is too strong and is basically sensory static. We know this by using a tool that attaches tiny electrodes to bee's antenna. When puffs of pheromone are blown across the antenna, the response is recored. This is called an electroantennogram. One can also test pheromonal activity bye conducting behavioral experiments. Testing reactions to differing concentrations of the compound. If humans are able to respond to nan-o-gram levels of honey bee pheromonal compound, they are very sensitive, or are part insect! (Maybe they even have little antennas!) Remember: a pheromone is any olfactory compound that creates a significant response in the species. Mammalian pheromones are certainly not the same as Arthropodal pheromones. However, mammals certainly over time could begin to associate a behavioral response to a "smell". Our sense of smell is very closely associated with our memory. Maybe the euphoria experienced with bees is linked to the way they smell (bees, wax, nectar, propolis, outdoors etc...) and this smell is associated with a feeling of well-being, peace, accomplishment, etc. A "sniff" for thought. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf adamf@panix.com Article 31057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hvgjun@juno.com (Dennis Murrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marked virgins and mating? Date: 8 Feb 2002 15:45:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.153.212 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1013211923 24709 127.0.0.1 (8 Feb 2002 23:45:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Feb 2002 23:45:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31057 adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) wrote in message news:... > Has Anyone ever marked virgins with paint or number disc and had them mate > successfully? > > Adam Yes, while working with accelerated queen rearing. Accelerated queen rearing involves using the mating nuc to raise a caged virgin while a older queen mates and returns to lay. Before the older queens eggs hatch she is caged and removed from the mating nuc for introduction elsewhere. Then the younger caged virgin is released into the nuc for mating and another caged virgin is introduced into the nuc to be raised. I marked the virgin before releasing her into the nuc for mating. Overall success was slightly less than with the unmarked queens. The bees and the queen didn't seem to be directly affected by the marking, but I wonder if the paint might have helped the birds zero in on a meal. Dennis Article 31058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chuck Coger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bleeching Wax Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 08:36:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.35.156.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.tampabay.rr.com 1013243817 65.35.156.107 (Sat, 09 Feb 2002 03:36:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 03:36:57 EST Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31058 Hello All, I saw the postings about cleaning Bee's wax, and it was very insightful. I have a need to remove all of the honey smell, as well as bleech the wax out to a slightly lighter shade. Any tips on how I can do this? Your help is appreciated. Chuck Coger Article 31059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Wallace" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bleeching Wax Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:48:17 -0800 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.134 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1013247845 251070 207.144.202.134 (9 Feb 2002 09:44:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:44:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31059 The use of a solar wax melter will lighten up wax color as for the smell I dont know, I like the way bees wax smells Chuck Coger wrote in message news:Jc598.62273$jO5.7907773@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... > Hello All, > I saw the postings about cleaning Bee's wax, and it was very insightful. I > have a need to remove all of the honey smell, as well as bleech the wax out > to a slightly lighter shade. Any tips on how I can do this? Your help is > appreciated. > > Chuck Coger > > Article 31060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Wallace" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maxant Industries Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 03:49:29 -0800 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.134 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1013247916 244479 207.144.202.134 (9 Feb 2002 09:45:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 09:45:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31060 http://www.maxantindustries.com/ Peter Edwards wrote in message news:a3tab9$kdt$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > Can anyone help with an email address for Maxant? > The old one does not work anymore and their ads in Bee Culture and ABJ no > longer show an email address. > > Article 31061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software on apimo.dk Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:53:33 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <3c6545c6$0$22266$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.17 X-Trace: 1013269958 dread03.news.tele.dk 22266 195.249.242.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!colt.net!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31061 What software can you find on my web : Hivenote and queenbreeding software full download 15MB free of charge for up to 10 hives only the accounting part of the software will expire after two month. http://apimo.dk/programs/beekeping_hivenote.exe if you already have the software then this: Update to the software 9.5MB free of charge for up to 10 hives. This update includes the accounting part. http://apimo.dk/programs/bidataupdate.exe Pollendata software for beekeepers free of charge around 3000 plants defined http://apimo.dk/programs/pollendatainstall.exe register software to the pollendata http://apimo.dk/programs/pollnumber.exe some pollen pictures for the Pollendata software http://apimo.dk/programs/pollpic.zip Barcode generating software if you need to put barcode on your honeylabel free of charge http://apimo.dk/programs/barcode.zip Palmdemo software for your PC with demo data. free of charge http://apimo.dk/progrms/palmdemo.zip +more registering fee is cheep : 45US for 40 hives registering and no expiring of the accounting. CD included 100US for full software included 2 years free support. CD´s included -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 08-02-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives, accounting + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. 12 languages and Russian is on it way. home page = http://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 31062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: sitemanager@agrisupportonline.com (Shlomit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AgriSupportOnline's Classified Ads Date: 9 Feb 2002 08:47:02 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6da0b6fe.0202090847.2f242d17@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.0.71.39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1013273224 12055 127.0.0.1 (9 Feb 2002 16:47:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Feb 2002 16:47:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!lackawana.kippona.com!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31062 Visit our online FREE listing of classified ads for selling, buying and trading livestock, machinery, real estate, crops, automotive, and more. Place an ad for FREE (plus picture if you have). www.agrisupportonline.com/agri_buysell.htm For agricultural jobs - www.agrisupportonline.com/agri_jobs.htm See you, Shlomit Kedar Site Manager www.agrisupportonline.com Article 31063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chuck Coger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bleeching Wax Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <_dj98.72226$jO5.9122697@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 00:34:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.35.156.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.tampabay.rr.com 1013301242 65.35.156.107 (Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:34:02 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 19:34:02 EST Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31063 Thanks Bill. I actually like the smell as well. However I am using Bee's Wax as the base for a product I am developing and reducing it is essiential. Again Thanks for the advise. Chuck Coger "Bill Wallace" wrote in message news:a42r14$7l5u$1@news3.infoave.net... > The use of a solar wax melter will lighten up wax color as for the smell I > dont know, I like the way bees wax smells > Chuck Coger wrote in message > news:Jc598.62273$jO5.7907773@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... > > Hello All, > > I saw the postings about cleaning Bee's wax, and it was very insightful. I > > have a need to remove all of the honey smell, as well as bleech the wax > out > > to a slightly lighter shade. Any tips on how I can do this? Your help is > > appreciated. > > > > Chuck Coger > > > > > > > Article 31064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C65A9F4.DE2F9307@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creamed Honey References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 X-Trace: /KHlxIZ/UxzAI2LcWRFQBTlRibb0qjgWkcngeFeaQRa16QZtmO9l5tq4pMvIivqOhosYj9QxlY4Y!on4dVqGAQS9O2yX8UnikMIFK/fyTlRAMJgOcuTP11mJmpQUDpFQVKx+B2kLB6DVKpehGjk1S X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:58:20 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:58:20 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31064 Me wrote: > > This web site might help. > > http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/research/honey.htm > > Mark > > "Gazza" wrote in message > news:1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au... > > Hi > > > > I am also after help in how to make creamed honey, so if anyone can tell > me > > how to make creamed homney it would be very much appreciated > > > > > > Brushy Mountain Bee Farm can help. Louise -- | They that can give up essential liberty to Louise Adderholdt | obtain a little temporary safety deserve louise.adderholdt@gte.net | neither liberty nor safety. | -- Benjamin Franklin Article 31065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Cell Incubator: info wanted Date: 10 Feb 2002 09:42:46 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 16 Message-ID: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1013352162 3975 166.84.1.1 (10 Feb 2002 14:42:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:42:42 +0000 (UTC) Summary: Usenet is AMAZING! Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31065 I'm trying to gather information and advice on how to make a queen cell incubator. If anyone out there in Apis-land has made one, and feels like following up this post, please do. I've read about plywood, old fridges, and styrofoam coolers being used. Optimally, I'd like to be able to store racks of cells from grafting bars without removing the cells. Storing the whole bar width-wise. We tasted some Maple nectar yesterday. Ummmmmmm. Like Maple syrup. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heads up! Tracheal is Back Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:58:00 -0700 Lines: 59 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-2.internode.net (198.161.229.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013360300 46366663 198.161.229.178 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-2.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31066 At several meetings I have attended recently, the problem of tracheal mites has been come up. Apparently, especially with the current varroa problems, tracheal is often being ignored, but is once again a very big problem that is causing a lot of winter loss. Because tracheal is not a simple thing to see -- detection requires lab work -- tracheal is going undetected and tracheal losses are being blamed on other factors. Moreover, the effects of tracheal are additive to those of varroa, and levels that were previously thought harmless can now cause colony death. 10% used to be considered the threshold for worry. Now 5% can be a cause for alarm. There is a lot of variability in a yard and if a yard sample comes in at 10%, that can mean that some hives are at zero, and others at 50% or more. 10% in an individual hive puts it at risk, especially if there are other pressures to consider like varroa, and the effects of varroa treatments on the bees.. I would advise all readers to get samples to a lab for tracheal tests ASAP if they have not been treating, and to begin to consider immediate treatment options. Although TM losses often occur in winter, they can continue into spring and one or two simple early treatments can save hives that otherwise may suddenly die unexpectedly. For details on treatment options, search the BEE-L archives at http://www.internode.net/honeybee/BEE-L/ for keys such as menthol and formic and tracheal. The blue shop towel is apparently one of the best, as is the grease and menthol cardboard insert method. For formic acid, three 30 ml Dri-loc pad 65% treatments, applied a week or so apart, are required (unless a long term pad is used). If varroa is also a target, the treatment needs to go to six pads about seven days apart. For menthol, two treatments of 20 ml spaced about ten days apart are necessary for good tracheal control (I know of no effect on varroa from menthol). The grease formulations work best because they ensure evaporation. Grease should be 20% to 50% of the mix. Ambient temperatures should be reaching 20 degrees C (70 degrees F) daily for good evaporation and assured success. Under cooler conditions, wrapped hives may be able to generate enough internal heat for successful treatment. Warning: menthol applied in mesh bags doesn't work well, and wastes expensive menthol. Don't use that method unless you know it works for you. In cool weather, either formic or menthol treatment should be on the top bars. In hot regions (over 25 degrees C), bottom treatments may be preferable. Ask around locally. After treatment, dead mites will be seen in trachea for the life of the individual bees, so re-testing will not be able to easily prove success. After the old bees have died (hopefully of natural causes), testing will show low levels -- if the treatment was successful. allen -- http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 31067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heads up! Tracheal is Back Date: 10 Feb 2002 14:27:56 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1013369272 9586 166.84.1.3 (10 Feb 2002 19:27:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31067 Testing for treacheal mites is really tedious. We're almost through all our samples and I'm happy to say we're looking good! If you have a dissecting scope, it's easy. although quite a bore. Even though Allen didn't mention it, you can also search bee-l archives and sci.agriculture.beekeeping as one search at: http://www.ibiblio.org/bees I'm putting in a new on-site search engine that will optimize searching. Amazingly enough, GOOGLE only indexes sites periodically, so updates aren't often incorporated into real-time searches. This is so on www.ibiblio.org Complain to GOOGLE for me so their head swelling recedes a little. :) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Fritz and Joyce Ludwig" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bleeching Wax Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:59:54 -0500 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust74.tnt1.anderson.sc.da.uu.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1013374796 30224 63.11.125.74 (10 Feb 2002 20:59:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:59:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!uunet!lax.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31068 Chuck, I have read of adding hydrogen peroxide to molten wax that has been heated with water. I have tried it with limited success, I believe probably because the wax was very dirty. Be careful that bubbling does not cause the pot to "boil over" and cause a fire. Article 31069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:22:51 +0000 Lines: 9 Message-ID: <050e6uk3nkmukgr0v4er2pi7uednuje9t2@4ax.com> References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> <3C65A9F4.DE2F9307@atlas.localdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-69.amandil.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1013383226 3698 62.136.103.197 (10 Feb 2002 23:20:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Feb 2002 23:20:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31069 Tried the link but only the chart worked. Other links came up as no available? On Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:58:20 GMT, Louise Adderholdt wrote: >> This web site might help. >> http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/research/honey.htm >> Mark Article 31070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heads up! Tracheal is Back Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:04:13 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31070 Surely a faster treatment is to stop masking the problem and requeen with T-mite resistant bees. There are a number of queen breeders in Ontario, members of the testing program, with bees which are resistant to T-mites, and therefore treatment is unnecessary. Or is that too simplistic an answer. See www.beeworks.com/Queenrearing.htm Regards Dave... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Adam Finkelstein" wrote in message news:a46hjs$g88$1@panix3.panix.com... > Testing for treacheal mites is really tedious. We're almost through all our > samples and I'm happy to say we're looking good! Article 31071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Christopher Drazba Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:40:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3C673D26.4EB756C2@mail.tqci.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3c62cc01.430953614@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 34 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31071 I got my first hives last April and believe I have had the same feeling. I opened up my hives and went through the brood nest every weekend for the whole summer (I only have three hives so it didn’t take much time, but I learned a lot). Every time I opened them, I found it exhilarating. At first I thought it was just the idea of putting your bare hands into a box of thousands of stinging insects, but I believe there is more to it than that. I don’t know if it’s the sights, sounds or smell, but whatever it is, I find it most enjoyable. I have a high pressure job, and some days when I come home from work, I’ll walk down to the hives (they are in my back yard) and sit and watch the bees come and go. I have done this for as long as a half an hour and was completely unaware of the time passing. As a side note, I started out deciding to keep bees last winter and read every book I could get my hands on. I also tried to spend time with more experienced beekeepers. I have spent the day with several beekeepers in my local beekeeping association this last year and found it an excellent way to see demonstrated what I only had experienced in reading. One beekeeper I had the pleasure to spend the day with was Greg Ferris (a.k.a. beekeep). After reading some of his posts, I didn’t know quite what to expect at first, but soon found him to be an excellent teacher. When he was showing me how do something (like marking queens), he explained what he was going to do, demonstrated it, and then had me do it. Anyway, I spent a day with him in early June after only having had my bees for two months. I was somewhat amazed when we started on the first hive and he only had on a pair of baggy shorts and a tee shirt (he didn’t wear a veil but did keep one handy). What really got me was when he pulled off the top brood box, turned it on its side and sat on it, while inspecting the bottom box. He said that wearing shorts was the best way to work the bees when it was hot out though he did have an interesting story about a bee flying up his shorts when he was with a group of Amish beekeepers! Chris Drazba Leonardtown, MD Article 31072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heads up! Tracheal is Back Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:34:00 -0700 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-2.internode.net (198.161.229.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013405694 47187629 198.161.229.178 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!opentransit.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-2.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31072 > Surely a faster treatment is to stop masking the problem and requeen > with T-mite resistant bees. There are a number of queen breeders in Ontario, > members of the testing program, with bees which are resistant to T-mites, Purebred Ontario bees and Russian bees (and their crosses with one another) all seem to have very good tracheal resistance --on average at least, and for the duration of recent tests. Neither of the above strains should require treatment under the conditions and in the locations where they have been proven TM-proof. Those who are *certain* that they have *nothing* but *purebred* Ontario and/or Russian stock (or crosses between the two) may ignore my warning. All others would be foolish to ignore it. Testing is cheaper than losing hives of bees. allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 31073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heads up! Tracheal is Back Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 08:21:08 -0700 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20020211002130.18670.00000665@mb-ca.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-11.internode.net (198.161.229.187) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013440937 38995782 198.161.229.187 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-11.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31073 > Try: > http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk\PENotes\VarroaTreatment.htm Thanks for that. I also followed the link to http://www.apis.admin.ch/index_e.htm and was very impressed. There is some great information out there on the web. Does anyone else have other excellent links to offer to the group to help in understanding and treating for these mites? allen Article 31074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 26 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Feb 2002 05:21:30 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Heads up! Tracheal is Back Message-ID: <20020211002130.18670.00000665@mb-ca.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31074 >Surely a faster treatment is to stop masking the problem and requeen >with T-mite resistant bees. There are a number of queen breeders in Ontario, >members of the testing program, with bees which are resistant to T-mites, >and therefore treatment is unnecessary. > Or is that too simplistic an answer. Sure lets just go requeen 3500 hives and make sure they don't mate with the local drones or lets just get mated queens and hope they don't ever die and their offspring mate with local drones. How bout we just requeen every year with mated queens from canada. Give them a whole new economic system. I'll just give me ole leprachaun a little squeeze and follow the rainbow. Oh wait...back to reality.. I'll just spend the $900 bucks on menthol and not worry about it or $1500 on thymol and not worry about varroa either. or I can give $30,000 to the canadians. oh wait the reality thing... I don't have $30,000. If this were a star trek kind of world where all your needs are taken care of and man only need work for the sense of fulfillment then I would say hey go for it, but alas this world revolves around money and the rewards of beekeeping seem to lift the spirit more than the bank account. So I would have to say ...yes it is too simplistic of an answer. Genetics are defintely the way of the future but economics control the present. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 31075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heads up! Tracheal is Back Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:24:37 -0700 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <20020211002130.18670.00000665@mb-ca.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-2.internode.net (198.161.229.178) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013405134 47410464 198.161.229.178 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-2.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31075 > or $1500 on thymol and not worry about varroa either. Can you tell us more about effective thymol methods? Thanks allen Article 31076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 11 Feb 2002 16:45:09 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Slatted rack question Message-ID: <20020211114509.16121.00000778@mb-fq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31076 Betterbee used to carry them. Just another extra piece of junk if you ask me, tried em left em in the junk pile. Article 31077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Randall C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Slatted rack question Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2479.0006 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2479.0006 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:20:15 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.240.136.121 X-Trace: sooner.brightok.net 1013444337 205.240.136.121 (Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:18:57 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:18:57 CST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!sooner.brightok.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31077 I am looking for a slatted rack and can't seem to find one in the catalogs I got. Is there a problem with them, .... did they take them out of the market for some reason? Does anybody know where to find one? Article 31078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Piet Verkooijen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Marked virgins and mating? Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:59:53 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3c682213$0$45335@news2.zeelandnet.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: kbl-gs1819.zeelandnet.nl X-Trace: dreaderd.zeelandnet 1013457427 45335 62.238.71.41 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news2.kpn.net!news.kpn.net!news1.kpn.net!212.115.192.220.MISMATCH!news2.zeelandnet.nl!dreaderd.zeelandnet!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31078 Up to last year we used numbered disks for on our virgin queens. Because we have expanded our operation we sought and found a better system by using paint. We use a number of breeder queens and every breeder gets her own combination of color. For instance yellow with a blue dot is breeder A and yellow with a green dot is breeder B. With four or five colors you can make a lot of combinations. As paint we use touch-up pencils, made for small repairs in car paint. Marking the virgin queens is necessary in a breeding programm. Very often you will find a mated queen in an other than her own mating nuc. Last year we had an overall mating succes of 70% (on a windy island). Piet Verkooijen http://www.buckfast.nl Article 31079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heads up! Tracheal is Back Date: 11 Feb 2002 06:30:48 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1013427043 26915 166.84.1.3 (11 Feb 2002 11:30:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 11:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news.stealth.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31079 In article , Allen Dick wrote: >Purebred Ontario bees and Russian bees (and their crosses with one another) >all seem to have very good tracheal resistance --on average at least, and >for the duration of recent tests. Neither of the above strains should >require treatment under the conditions and in the locations where they have >been proven TM-proof. > >Testing is cheaper than losing hives of bees. Correct. It's not that hard to get a specific level of tolerance to treacheal mites into your population. Even if you have 3500 colonies. But you need to test to obtain some measurement of the the population's susceptibility to the mite. A representative test of your total population would quickly show if you have susceptible bees, or where they are in your population. After treating, you could requeen those pockets with more tolerant queen lines. There are some fine queen lines out there that are very treacheal tolerant. Just incorporate this factor into you selection for queens the next time you order them. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: vincent@arcwelder.com (Vincent) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Phobic Documentary Date: 11 Feb 2002 12:45:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.174.201.218 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1013460342 12465 127.0.0.1 (11 Feb 2002 20:45:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Feb 2002 20:45:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31080 Hello… I'm with a television production company in Los Angeles...and we're producing a documentary for Animal Planet and the National Geographic Channel about people's Fear and Phobias of animals/insects. One of the 13 animal/insect groups we're covering is BEES. We're combing the country for BEE Phobics who we could speak to and possibly interview on camera for the show. We're also speaking with doctors and phobic experts who are willing to treat this very real fear. If you or someone you know is terrified of BEES, we would love to know more. Please email me with more information. Thank you for your time and help! Vincent Lopez Associate Producer Arcwelder Films vincent@arcwelder.com Article 31081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heads up! Tracheal is Back Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 12:26:33 -0000 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20020211002130.18670.00000665@mb-ca.news.cs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-137.chromium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1013440134 7999 62.136.23.137 (11 Feb 2002 15:08:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Feb 2002 15:08:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news.stealth.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31081 Try: http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk\PENotes\VarroaTreatment.htm Peter Edwards "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:a47kkb$1d6r90$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > or $1500 on thymol and not worry about varroa either. > > Can you tell us more about effective thymol methods? > > Thanks > > allen > > Article 31082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "michael tidwell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020211114509.16121.00000778@mb-fq.aol.com> Subject: Re: Slatted rack question Lines: 285 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C1B326.F6C94800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:07:27 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.129.16.10 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 1013468311 66.129.16.10 (Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:58:31 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 16:58:31 CST Path: 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Date: 11 Feb 2002 16:16:11 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3c682213$0$45335@news2.zeelandnet.nl> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1013462166 7889 166.84.1.3 (11 Feb 2002 21:16:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:16:06 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31083 In article <3c682213$0$45335@news2.zeelandnet.nl>, Piet Verkooijen wrote: >With four or five colors you can make a lot of combinations. As paint we use >touch-up pencils, made for small repairs in car paint. Thanks Piet, this is an excellent idea! What is the exact name of the pencils you mention? Sincerely, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 21 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Feb 2002 00:19:20 GMT References: Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Heads up! Tracheal is Back Message-ID: <20020211191920.05721.00000719@mb-fw.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31084 >Can you tell us more about effective thymol methods? > I've been using 1 ounce thymol placed inside a paper bag "beer bag better known at the stop n robs" You can also take a lunch bag and cut in half and staple. We found are best hives this year are the ones we treated only with thymol. I'm now experimenting with the mineral oil fogging on some hives I recently bought this december from someone going out. They are in horrendous shape and infested. Its still too cold for the thymol so I thought what the heck and got a fogger. I'm also planning next time I fog to dissolve some thymol in the mineral oil. You can purchase thymol from www.thornes.co.uk they also have a thymol gel pack available. We are looking into US suppliers but are having a hard time since 9-11. Apparently most of the supply comes from the pakistan-area. They just keep telling us two more weeks. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 31085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:15:45 -0600 Lines: 46 Message-ID: <009h6us2g1fftokcg6p2brjs8ordevljf9@4ax.com> References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.206 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013490947 48052062 216.167.143.206 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.206!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31085 Dave Green said: >After suffering a bad case of heat exhaustion a few years back, >This is despite all my efforts to forestall it >with pediatric electrolytes, etc. and Big Timber said: > He alsocontracted heat exhaustion one hot July afternoon, and was never the same >after that Working bees in hot weather is pretty normal around here. I take a lot of minerals along with my salt tablets. I use a 'chelated' kelp, very effective. Also I drink water often. It also helps to take along some healthy 'snacks' like date and peanut butter sandwiches if you're going to be there all afternoon; lots of quick energy that isn't in a form of refined sugar. Heat exhaustion is brought on by a combination of requirements your body isn't getting. Regardless of the testimony, it helps to 'avoid' alcohol in hot weather as the body basically stops what's its doing and deals with the alcohol. (a very complicated sugar indeed) Alcohol is after all a 'poison' and if it's detected in the body, the body goes on red alert. This is not to say I don't poison myself at times; however, I don't do this when in physical extremis. There's also other factors about heat exhaustion like the amount of pores you have for sweating. People who grow up in hot places like Texas, have more of these than someone who grows up in Wisconsin. There's also other factors that make a huge difference; the amount of humidity present and the amount of air moving around (wind) so your sweat can evaporate and keep you cool. I don't think someone in Wisconsin or South Carolina is going to have the advantage of a low humidity in Summer, as compared with West Texas where the wind is always blowing and the humidity is usually in single digits. Therefore if you're sweating away on a 104F day and the humidity is 8% and the wind is blowing, you'll damn near freeze to death. I shit you not, (Texan for trust me) C.K. Article 31086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Slatted rack question Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:34:53 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.01.09 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 12 Feb 2002 05:38:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31086 Have them on all my hives. Homemade. Cuts down on the chewing away of the front lower corner of the brood chamber combs. Article 31087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Maxant Industries Lines: 18 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:53:24 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-dNHdhceDrll4L/yHcNc1idv7vVHpOXt6dIfCgzLv6jPY4oSgRKYS8Tmm/NK0aRuU1c1mLtWJmPIUbJa!suml7AU4lLL0Hpb7s6UKjDdIrYiGnPwmBjAV9dEWLHYaaFFln03jbooI+RrRFO6xV3dA4Yky6DsE!f0Bnwqb4ac+Q0gDb X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:53:24 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer2.newshosting.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31087 Rick is their top sales person. Tell him Mark for Texas says hi. Thibault, Richard E-mail Address(es): ric56@NET1Plus.com Company: Maxant Industries Mark "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:a3tab9$kdt$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > Can anyone help with an email address for Maxant? > The old one does not work anymore and their ads in Bee Culture and ABJ no > longer show an email address. > > > Article 31088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: 13 Feb 2002 19:18:31 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <009h6us2g1fftokcg6p2brjs8ordevljf9@4ax.com> <658l6uoa8mmlt4f31jded5pn7h7jisglv3@4ax.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1013645905 5930 166.84.1.3 (14 Feb 2002 00:18:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31088 In article <658l6uoa8mmlt4f31jded5pn7h7jisglv3@4ax.com>, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >it's 'true' people who spend the first six months of their lives in >hot places have 'more' of a capacity to sweat (to keep themselves >cool) than those who spend this time of their lives in cool >climates. More capacity translates as more pores for emitting >'sweat.' Now I may have construed the article I was reading 'wrong' >and 'capacity for sweat' may not have meant 'more' pores to sweat. That would seem most logical. The number of pores one has seems to be determined before, not after they are born. >logical in a rush limbaugh sort of way, but I'm on about >'adaptation' here, and I didn't just dream this up. You are confusing adaptation to environment with the ability to inherit aquired characteristics or the ability to "adapt" to one's environment on the fly, which is Lamarckianism. This idea empowers the species to change in relation to it's environment and pass these changes on. Natural selection opposes this, by stating that one is given a "set" of characteristics and these are fixed. The species with the most optimum "set" at any given time gauged through environmental fluctuations in habitat is the most able to survive and is the fittest, passing along parts of it's "set". This occurs by chance. Randomly. If one can change the number of sweat glands one has in the first few months of life based on environmental feedback, one is "acquiring" traits. One is adapting to one's environment outside the realm of heredity. Maybe one has the capacity to have a greater proportion of one's sweat glands active based on initial environmental feedback? Who knows. >looking for my source; however, I read, this a while back, so if I >fail to quote a scientific document to backup my 'assertion' feel >free to believe 'whatever,' I'll understand. I'm glad you've allowed us to believe what appears rational. Even if you did cite some scientific document, I'd be skeptical until I read it and found the other contextual documents dealing with it, and read them too. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adam adamf@panix.com Article 31089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Date: 13 Feb 2002 21:41:36 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3C699400.194971F3@dcnet2000.com> <3C69A361.CB2D79D8@dcnet2000.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1013654490 8681 166.84.1.3 (14 Feb 2002 02:41:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 02:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31089 In article <3C69A361.CB2D79D8@dcnet2000.com>, Jeremy Goodwin wrote: >The USDA does DNA testing from all their traps. There is >no blanket determination of africanization. The African >DNA is a single, super dominant characteristic. This makes absolutely no sense. Please explain what you mean. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "ELScofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <%hla8.49320$w51.5190511@kent.svc.tds.net> Subject: Re: Terramycin 6.4 oz Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 11:15:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.9.76.224 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 1013685332 216.9.76.224 (Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:15:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 06:15:32 EST Organization: Pinnacle Online (pinn.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31090 1 teaspoon TM-25 and 2 tablespoons powdered sugar equals one 200 mg dose. You'll need three of these at three to five day intervals 45 days before you put on the supers. "The Beekeepers Handbook" Sammataro and Avitabile pg.133 I am the Librarian for our local club and I would highly recommend this book to you. If the colonies are in the back yard, I'd dust'em. If they're remote, remember this would take three round trips. Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach USA ============================================== Don wrote in message news:%hla8.49320$w51.5190511@kent.svc.tds.net... > Can anyone tell me how much terramycin to put in one hive and how > often..........everything i read tells me something different..............i > want to dust..........or what is the best....please......................... > e-mail................dmelton1@tds.net > > Article 31091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Maxant Industries Lines: 45 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <6XPa8.11235$Aw2.474168@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:35:46 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-36xg+PvoVtPlPC4bQvl9iqALjPjnHD3hX10AhOPVFvH7B8biwOZ6WV+djA3NgN/AHqw8RQTgZAYyxEh!T3HKkEpdPkVYKCvZhPT3VCH01XpwUfRlD6RLIfUAblEHV1B3hVeiMxcEcLfaPSSxWyBgnJJnNqBU!W/44je/dgcqgtLY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:35:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!nf3.bellglobal.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31091 Ok, here is their phone number. Be sure to tell Rick the problems you are having! I Rick isn't there, ask for Bill Patterson. Joan will probably answer the phone. Tell her hi from Mark from Texas too. 1-978-772-0576 Mark "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:a4fpi5$nu3$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > This is the address I have always used - but it comes back undeliverable > now. > > I am trying to contact him re a spare part that he promised to get well over > a year ago! > > I have now emailed sales@maxantindustries.com but still no reply. > > Not best pleased with the current level of service! > "Me" wrote in message > news:E7Ca8.14702$UQ.1398243@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > Rick is their top sales person. Tell him Mark for Texas says hi. > > > > Thibault, Richard > > E-mail Address(es): > > ric56@NET1Plus.com > > Company: Maxant Industries > > > > Mark > > > > "Peter Edwards" wrote > in > > message news:a3tab9$kdt$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > Can anyone help with an email address for Maxant? > > > The old one does not work anymore and their ads in Bee Culture and ABJ > no > > > longer show an email address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Maxant Industries Lines: 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:41:46 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-iy4Lk+s7SaFKjQqApkD978rRe0yszEXxbjkxByO9ld2zY0p/G2lnzd82LbWZQWkTUJwOsi3+DgMLAPw!o9r1+eGSpQZngFWuxZOPxqhsCbu+ZK0hT+xn0rw1ycWsFnkSk+bx5EHXVawt6wK9iTinsLwdxYXZ!zlWXbFOBMlv6N0qx X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:41:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin6.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31092 Just a side note, I've dealt with them too. They are a very small business. They make everything when as it is ordered. I must admit, they don't seem to be the best on meeting timelines or service, but they are good people and will get it right eventually. Just be patient. Mark "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:a4fpi5$nu3$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > This is the address I have always used - but it comes back undeliverable > now. > > I am trying to contact him re a spare part that he promised to get well over > a year ago! > > I have now emailed sales@maxantindustries.com but still no reply. > > Not best pleased with the current level of service! Article 31093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dyrandia Ravenkynd" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Field of vision of a bee... Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: X-Trace: REmX6UP5rZ6b+HTQe6mxpFiNXeZWucYzgFPD6S548FvNTGZ7QBZUQ/uaZmpjXIaqmJIa0FBCAWLo!v5jz76/euKRjva9qPh+qboNt X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: abuse@blueyonder.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:45:41 GMT Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder) Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 14:45:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!peernews2.colt.net!fr.colt.net!teaser.fr!proxad.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!internal-news-hub.cableinet.net!news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31093 Hello, My boyfriend is working on a final year project for his university degree and I was wondering if anyone would be able to assist us in his research. His project is for a computer programming degree and he will be simulating the "hive mind" with an artificial intelligence program that simulates the communication between the bees. What our question is, though, is what is the field of vision of a bee, in distance and degrees? I most likely sound like a complete dolt, as this is far from anything I've ever studied, but any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for your time and effort, B. Stewart Article 31094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Field of vision of a bee... Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:10:17 -0700 Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-9.internode.net (198.161.229.185) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013699460 125862 198.161.229.185 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-9.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31094 > His project is for a computer programming degree and he will be simulating > the "hive mind" with an artificial intelligence program that simulates the > communication between the bees. What our question is, though, is what is the > field of vision of a bee, in distance and degrees? I most likely sound like > a complete dolt, as this is far from anything I've ever studied, but any > assistance would be greatly appreciated. Well, you have come to the right place. This is the kind of project, and interest that beekeepers really appreciate. I'm sure you will get some good ideas. You might also like to ask the same question on BEE-L, the list for "Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology". The discussion is not always as informed as it might be, but there are quite a few scientists lurking there (as there may be here, I should think) and a few of them post regularly to BEE-L. Visit http://www.internode.net/honeybee/BEE-L/ to read some recent posts there and to ask your question, if you like. allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Diary/ Article 31095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bleeching Wax Lines: 51 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:02:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.0.74.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com 1013702557 68.0.74.72 (Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:02:37 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:02:37 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31095 Bleaching beeswax is tricky but can be done by the amature if care is used. Please be sure to use only stainless steel when boiling your wax because other metals will discolor your wax and distroy all your work. Also boiling wax will foam so never load your melting pot over half full. Start by melting your wax slowly so that you do not scorch it until it is just melted After melting your wax first filter it through cheeze cloth or a paint strainer to remove lagre debris. Next melt your wax in an equal amount of water and bring to a boil for no less than 10 minutes and no longer than a half hour stir often, Let it cool in the water (without stirring), do not remove until it is cold!!! The water can be trashed and there will be some floating debris that is stuck to the bottom of the wax, scrape this off with a knife and save for later processing. Your wax is now clean and ready to bleach. Mix 1/4 cup Oxallic acid per gallon of water. Place your clean wax into this mixture and boil for 10 to 15 minutes, this will bleach out most of your impurities although it will look the same while still molten, reduce your heat until the boiling stops and using a long handle ladel dip out your wax onto cookie sheets (the kind with sides) lined with a solid sheet of aluminum foil, make the wax thin enough for the sun to penetrate and place in direct sunlight for a few days. This is amazing but the sun will finish bleaching out the yellow and remove the odor. You can then place the wax into the freezer and it should come off of the foil without any problem. Hope this helps. Donald Franson "Chuck Coger" wrote in message news:Jc598.62273$jO5.7907773@typhoon.tampabay.rr.com... > Hello All, > I saw the postings about cleaning Bee's wax, and it was very insightful. I > have a need to remove all of the honey smell, as well as bleech the wax out > to a slightly lighter shade. Any tips on how I can do this? Your help is > appreciated. > > Chuck Coger > > Article 31096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:48:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.0.74.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com 1013705288 68.0.74.72 (Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:48:08 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:48:08 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31096 Creamed honey is simply crystalized honey, but the crystals are very fine. 1) To make your own cream honey start with your best honey and place it in the refrigerator until it is crystalized, 2) Then while still cold put through a meat grinder to grind up the crystals even finer, or grind it with morter and pestle 3) strain this honey through a tea strainer while still cold, this will take a while and some stirring. 4) The honey that came through the strainer can be used to seed (or stirred into) fresh honey. 5) Allow the seeded honey to crystalize and stirr often, it will crystalize faster than it normally would and what you will have is creamed honey. Package in large mouth containers! You can also buy creamed honey and stir it into your raw honey and it will do the same thing. Hope this helps Donald Franson "Steven Newport" wrote in message news:fgr06u8cmo5nk3qro9qbadehulobpacn12@4ax.com... > Just caught up on this. We have tried putting warmed honey through a > liquidiser (food processor) - no good for large scale. However, you do > get an interesting texture. > > Can somebody here give a clear definition of what creamed honey is. > > When experimenting with the liquidiser/processor we ended up with jars > of 'layered' honey. A white 'froth' on top, a thicker 'body' and a > bigger granulated layer at the bottom. > > One concern I would have is with weights and measures. This process > (at least the way we have experimented with) includes a lot of air in > the honey. Whilst this seems to settle out quite quick it leaves a > rather unsightly product. Article 31097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com> Subject: Re: using sugar as a varroacide Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 16:56:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.0.74.72 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com 1013705780 68.0.74.72 (Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:56:20 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 08:56:20 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31097 I used to raise queens and tried to use powdered suger instead of sucrose in making my queen candy, found out that the anticaking additive they put into powdered sugar would kill the bees, they did like it though and would eat themselves to death. Keep this in mind when using store bought powdered sugar. Donald "POTENTS" wrote in message news:20020201114252.14076.00000357@mb-mt.aol.com... > Hi all, > > Have used bayvarol in autumn last year. And if needed will treat for varroa > again in spring. > Anyone had any experience of dusting bees with icing sugar? > Is it effective? > Timing of treatment? > Quantity of sugar? > Any help much appreciated. > Presumably will need an open mesh floor for it to work. > Cheers Article 31098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 21 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Feb 2002 17:12:22 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Subject: Re: Field of vision of a bee... Message-ID: <20020214121222.07765.00000013@mb-fv.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31098 In article , "Dyrandia Ravenkynd" writes: > >My boyfriend is working on a final year project for his university degree >and I was wondering if anyone would be able to assist us in his research. >His project is for a computer programming degree and he will be simulating >the "hive mind" with an artificial intelligence program that simulates the >communication between the bees. What our question is, though, is what is the >field of vision of a bee, in distance and degrees? I most likely sound like >a complete dolt, as this is far from anything I've ever studied, but any >assistance would be greatly appreciated. Your Boyfriend should read Von Frisch's works, especially his disseration, available at University libraries. He will find that the "degrees" is a not so useful term when dealing with compound eyes. Most communication is by phermones, and you can observe this in an observation hive....watch the touching, especially with antenna and forelegs. Remember, in the hive it is dark. Von Frisch's works are classics, and others exist too that are very good. Bob Pursley Article 31099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@jaf.SPAMMENOT.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Organization: Or chaos? You Choose. Message-ID: References: <009h6us2g1fftokcg6p2brjs8ordevljf9@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:32:51 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1013509967 80.1.219.11 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:32:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:32:47 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31099 On Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:15:45 -0600, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >People who grow up in hot places like >Texas, have more of these than someone who grows up in Wisconsin. ? ? ? -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: 12 Feb 2002 05:57:07 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <009h6us2g1fftokcg6p2brjs8ordevljf9@4ax.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1013511422 23063 166.84.1.1 (12 Feb 2002 10:57:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31100 In article <009h6us2g1fftokcg6p2brjs8ordevljf9@4ax.com>, Charlie Kroeger wrote: > >There's also other factors about heat exhaustion like the amount of >pores you have for sweating. People who grow up in hot places like >Texas, have more of these than someone who grows up in Wisconsin. Really. Old Lamarckian evolution again. So if you grow up where there are more libraries, you'll have more brain cells than if you grow up, say, in Fiji? :) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Feb 2002 13:43:51 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: mellifera mellifera queens Message-ID: <20020212084351.23978.00000913@mb-cl.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!152.163.239.132!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31101 can anyone supply me with a mellifera mellifera queen in the uk. cheers Article 31102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Feb 2002 14:04:38 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Message-ID: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31102 Anybody wonder why I gave up television long ago? Article 31103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:08:59 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1013530276 204.2.54.113 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:11:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:11:16 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31103 I suppose they did not have the demographic analysis done on this group, prior to the post. I hope their system works better for the target audience :-) JJ BeeCrofter wrote: > > Anybody wonder why I gave up television long ago? Article 31104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:18:31 -0700 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-4.internode.net (198.161.229.180) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013530735 48351349 198.161.229.180 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-4.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31104 > I suppose they did not have the demographic analysis > done on this group, prior to the post. I hope their > system works better for the target audience :-) Actually who better to know all the folks who are afraid of bees. Beekeepers often have neighbours who are terrified of bees, and the beekeeper is the person who hears about it. I hope the piece will offer balanced coverage and not hype the African Killer Bee thing which is rapidly turning out to look like a hoax. allen Article 31105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C6944B9.92CD4A3C@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:37:13 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1013531965 204.2.54.113 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:39:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:39:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31105 I spend a lot of time in the jungles of Central America and it is not a hoax. It has subsided to the level of the vampire bats, killer centipedes and malaria, scary if you think about it too much, and isolated incidents and you have to have the constant awareness of knowing what to do. As I live in Texas, I would certainly not want the reduced pollinating characteristics of the Africanized bee if I were a farmer, and in an area with a lot of hives, would certainly carry a long piece of hose pipe. JJ Allen Dick wrote: > > > I suppose they did not have the demographic analysis > > done on this group, prior to the post. I hope their > > system works better for the target audience :-) > > Actually who better to know all the folks who are afraid of bees. > Beekeepers often have neighbours who are terrified of bees, and the > beekeeper is the person who hears about it. > > I hope the piece will offer balanced coverage and not hype the African > Killer Bee thing which is rapidly turning out to look like a hoax. > > allen Article 31106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Date: 12 Feb 2002 17:05:59 GMT Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.18 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31106 On 11 Feb 2002 12:45:41 -0800, vincent@arcwelder.com (Vincent) wrote: >Hello… > >I'm with a television production company in Los Angeles...and we're >producing a documentary for Animal Planet and the National Geographic >Channel about people's Fear and Phobias of animals/insects. > >One of the 13 animal/insect groups we're covering is BEES. > >We're combing the country for BEE Phobics who we could speak to and >possibly interview on camera for the show. We're also speaking with >doctors and phobic experts who are willing to treat this very real >fear. > >If you or someone you know is terrified of BEES, we would love to know >more. Please email me with more information. > >Thank you for your time and help! Can't help you there, but my Mother in law has a fear of pressure cookers, so If you do a show on cooking ware phobias let me know. (I'm serious, she was horrified when we purchased one.) -Tim Article 31107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Feb 2002 17:51:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Message-ID: <20020212125111.08742.00000031@mb-fq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31107 >my Mother in law has a fear of pressure >cookers, so If you do a show on cooking ware phobias let me know. My Dad kept turning them into small stills, Mom never got to cook in them. Article 31108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 14:11:21 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013541085 48160131 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31108 If you are looking for something to compare your documentary study to... Our 4-H kids handle their bees well, with little phobia! BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Jeremy Goodwin" wrote in message news:3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com... > I suppose they did not have the demographic analysis > done on this group, prior to the post. I hope their > system works better for the target audience :-) > JJ > > BeeCrofter wrote: > > > > Anybody wonder why I gave up television long ago? Article 31109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C699400.194971F3@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> <3C6944B9.92CD4A3C@dcnet2000.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:15:28 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.126 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1013552260 204.2.54.126 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:17:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:17:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.xnet.com!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31109 The USDA has swarm traps all over the state and do extensive testing on all the bees caught. This winter will demonstrate the northernmost range, as "africanized" bees have been caught near Houston, but they are not cold tolerant. I would anticipate seasonal pushes north of Interstate 10 with retreats determined by winter temperatures. For more information goto Time to buy a 50' hose :-) JJ Barry Birkey wrote: > > > From: Jeremy Goodwin > > > As I live in Texas, I would certainly not > > want the reduced pollinating characteristics of the > > Africanized bee if I were a farmer, and in an area with > > a lot of hives, would certainly carry a long piece of > > hose pipe. > > JJ > > And you (and others) know any bee (in Texas) is "africanized" by what means? > What determines one bee to be European and another Africanized? > > -Barry Article 31110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:41:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1013553635.462874@savina> References: X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31110 see the following post on bee-l re:"Another story which I found interesting was about a woman with a phobia concerning bees..." at http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0112b&L=bee-l&F=&S=&P=402 Article 31111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:07:11 -0600 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> <3C6944B9.92CD4A3C@dcnet2000.com> <3C699400.194971F3@dcnet2000.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVatXdymHw6zB/SUKyEkTqALw4olt/pcvdhQGp9ei5TJlXwSvAkP/NA0 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2002 23:07:31 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31111 > The USDA has swarm traps all over the state and do > extensive testing on all the bees caught. Then I guess the next question is, what is the USDA using to determine Africanization? I question that it's dna as this would take a lot of time and cost to do with every sample sent to them. It's more realistic that they take a sample to represent an area and conclude by pronouncing all bees in this area to be Africanized. Yet when a beekeeper requeens with a European queen, his hives are still Africanized? If a bee is tested and there is the smallest part detected of Africanization, does that make it Africanized? Where are the percentages, numbers, etc. that determine one from the other? To say all of this county is Africanized is a big charge to make with little proof to show either way. I still see the ahb issue as mostly show. Regards, Barry Article 31112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Feb 2002 14:54:32 GMT References: <3C699A18.AA37E0AC@dcnet2000.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Message-ID: <20020213095432.04215.00000279@mb-cp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31112 Actually when I go to makle a nuc for a beginner the kick test is one I perform on the hives to see which bees are most forgiving. Article 31113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: becottehaigh@aol.com (BecotteHaigh) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Feb 2002 01:39:46 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: newbie: mosquito spray question Message-ID: <20020212203946.04260.00000073@mb-cp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31113 Thanks a heap! I am pretty pumped over this Article 31114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Field of vision of a bee... Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 08:26:04 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 56 Message-ID: References: <20020214121222.07765.00000013@mb-fv.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1013712147 22684 203.96.192.143 (14 Feb 2002 18:42:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Feb 2002 18:42:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!news02.tsnz.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31114 Bob Pursley wrote in message news:20020214121222.07765.00000013@mb-fv.aol.com... > In article , "Dyrandia > Ravenkynd" writes: > > > > >My boyfriend is working on a final year project for his university degree > >and I was wondering if anyone would be able to assist us in his research. > >His project is for a computer programming degree and he will be simulating > >the "hive mind" with an artificial intelligence program that simulates the > >communication between the bees. What our question is, though, is what is the > >field of vision of a bee, in distance and degrees? I most likely sound like > >a complete dolt, as this is far from anything I've ever studied, but any > >assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > Your Boyfriend should read Von Frisch's works, especially his disseration, > available at University libraries. He will find that the "degrees" is a not so > useful term when dealing with compound eyes. Most communication is by > phermones, and you can observe this in an observation hive....watch the > touching, especially with antenna and forelegs. Remember, in the hive it is > dark. Von Frisch's works are classics, and others exist too that are very > good. > Bob Pursley Hi Bob Thanks for that reference, also the bees sensitivity to Ultra-violate light and guidance by position of sun very much comes into play. I found an interesting article which mentions Von Frisch's work :- http://www.sciam.com/0694issue/0694kirchner.html in that reference I found a comment that might be relevant to another thread in this ng. regarding the sense of wellbeing that beekeepers have when visiting hives. ". Many insects, including bees, are quite sensitive to vibrations. Hence, some investigators speculated that the sounds the foragers produced could vibrate the combs under their feet as they danced" Maybe we are also sensitive to such vibration as well, although I didn't have that same sense of wellbeing during my last hive visit, my bees are particularly aggressive and sometimes at least one manages to find their way into my suit, as happened on a recent visit. :( Carmen Article 31115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C6C131A.5EACE6B6@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Field of vision of a bee... 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JJ Article 31116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3C6099DB.E5B40052@nowhere.com> Subject: Re: Resistance Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:48:30 -0800 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.9.151 Message-ID: <3c6d1f8a_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1013784458 209.23.9.151 (15 Feb 2002 08:47:38 -0600) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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I am trying to contact him re a spare part that he promised to get well over a year ago! I have now emailed sales@maxantindustries.com but still no reply. Not best pleased with the current level of service! "Me" wrote in message news:E7Ca8.14702$UQ.1398243@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > Rick is their top sales person. Tell him Mark for Texas says hi. > > Thibault, Richard > E-mail Address(es): > ric56@NET1Plus.com > Company: Maxant Industries > > Mark > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:a3tab9$kdt$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > Can anyone help with an email address for Maxant? > > The old one does not work anymore and their ads in Bee Culture and ABJ no > > longer show an email address. > > > > > > > Article 31118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Brad Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Visit my page on Psychotherapy and join!!!!! 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(Note: free hosting services used to eliminate the paid domains who cancel my websites) Article 31122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:10:13 -0600 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> <3C6944B9.92CD4A3C@dcnet2000.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYuieam2szoGyFRypU0gp6wBkgR5Vq/eqgYlxOYaN4WT0ZTjhpx1Arf X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2002 21:10:33 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31122 > From: Jeremy Goodwin > As I live in Texas, I would certainly not > want the reduced pollinating characteristics of the > Africanized bee if I were a farmer, and in an area with > a lot of hives, would certainly carry a long piece of > hose pipe. > JJ And you (and others) know any bee (in Texas) is "africanized" by what means? What determines one bee to be European and another Africanized? -Barry Article 31123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dr_ashman@hotmail.com (pablo /MA) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: newbie: mosquito spray question Date: 12 Feb 2002 14:23:23 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <9623a84c.0202121423.5613e8c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.161.223.136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1013552603 19373 127.0.0.1 (12 Feb 2002 22:23:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2002 22:23:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31123 I'm excited to get started with a hive this spring but am hesitant because my town does occasionally spray for skeeters at dusk or night. Reading through the archives, the concensus seems to be most worried about illegal daytime spraying. Will night time spraying be prohibitive to keeping healthy bees? Thanks, Paul Article 31124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Feb 2002 22:39:14 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Message-ID: <20020212173914.23901.00002184@mb-fy.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!news.onramp.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!news-east.rr.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31124 >What determines one bee to be European and another Africanized? > My understanding is the only thing that counts is mitochondrial dna. Everything else is an educated guess. Article 31125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C699A18.AA37E0AC@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary References: <20020212173914.23901.00002184@mb-fy.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:41:28 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1013553820 204.2.54.119 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:43:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:43:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.xnet.com!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31125 The other way to test is to go up to a hive and whack it with a stick and run, if the bees persist in following you and stinging when you are well away from the hive, you might want to confirm the DNA :-) They follow and concentrate on the CO2 in your exhalation, so while you are running, do not breath out :-) or carry a long piece of hose. JJ BeeCrofter wrote: > > >What determines one bee to be European and another Africanized? > > > > My understanding is the only thing that counts is mitochondrial dna. > Everything else is an educated guess. Article 31126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Frames and wax in the UK Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:19:16 +0000 Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-122.dwarrowdelf.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1013555812 29683 62.136.163.250 (12 Feb 2002 23:16:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Feb 2002 23:16:52 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31126 I am looking for a quantity of supers, frames and wax and am based in Sussex, UK. I am fairly certain I know where I can get a good deal on the supers (British National) but can anybody recommend a good source of frames, wax, and the plastic frame spacers? Many thanks Steven Newport Worthing West Sussex UK Article 31127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C69A361.CB2D79D8@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> <3C6944B9.92CD4A3C@dcnet2000.com> <3C699400.194971F3@dcnet2000.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:21:05 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1013556201 204.2.54.119 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:23:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:23:21 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31127 The USDA does DNA testing from all their traps. There is no blanket determination of africanization. The African DNA is a single, super dominant characteristic. I suggest you read some more material before forming opinions and trying to argue the points. At no point did I say that all of this country, or any country, is africanized. JJ Barry Birkey wrote: > > > The USDA has swarm traps all over the state and do > > extensive testing on all the bees caught. > > Then I guess the next question is, what is the USDA using to determine > Africanization? I question that it's dna as this would take a lot of time > and cost to do with every sample sent to them. It's more realistic that they > take a sample to represent an area and conclude by pronouncing all bees in > this area to be Africanized. Yet when a beekeeper requeens with a European > queen, his hives are still Africanized? If a bee is tested and there is the > smallest part detected of Africanization, does that make it Africanized? > Where are the percentages, numbers, etc. that determine one from the other? > To say all of this county is Africanized is a big charge to make with little > proof to show either way. I still see the ahb issue as mostly show. > > Regards, > Barry Article 31128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C69AB13.FC9B283F@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: African Bees References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> <3C6944B9.92CD4A3C@dcnet2000.com> <3C699400.194971F3@dcnet2000.com> <3C69A361.CB2D79D8@dcnet2000.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:53:55 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1013558166 204.2.54.119 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:56:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 23:56:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!lackawana.kippona.com!news.stealth.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!129.250.35.146!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31128 Here is a good primer for the subject, if a bit on the simplistic side when it comes to the genetics, but fairly written. It will answer many of your questions and reminded me that I do not know everything I think I know :-) JJ Article 31129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African Bees Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:08:54 -0700 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> <3C6944B9.92CD4A3C@dcnet2000.com> <3C699400.194971F3@dcnet2000.com> <3C69A361.CB2D79D8@dcnet2000.com> <3C69AB13.FC9B283F@dcnet2000.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-1.internode.net (198.161.229.177) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013559003 47661635 198.161.229.177 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!80.65.228.52.MISMATCH!deine.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-1.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31129 "Jeremy Goodwin" wrote in message news:3C69AB13.FC9B283F@dcnet2000.com... > Here is a good primer for the subject, if a bit on the > simplistic side when it comes to the genetics, but > fairly written. > Well I got as far as this: "Less than a year after the African colonies had been established, a visitor mistakenly removed the hive entrances that blocked the queens from escaping. Twenty-six colonies and their queens had abandoned their hives." and wonder about all the rest. What kind of beekeeper would not know that the queens are not the only genetic material that might 'escape'. Drones are almost impossible to contain, and I see nowhere that there was ever an attempt to restrict them. This story has taken on many of the characteristics of a fable. allen Article 31130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C69B1A1.FA9751A8@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African Bees References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> <3C6944B9.92CD4A3C@dcnet2000.com> <3C699400.194971F3@dcnet2000.com> <3C69A361.CB2D79D8@dcnet2000.com> <3C69AB13.FC9B283F@dcnet2000.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:21:53 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1013559844 204.2.54.116 (Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:24:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:24:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!peer.news.verio.net.MISMATCH!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31130 I skipped that bit as the myth and the reality are difficult to distinguish. The rest of the article is not too bad for a primer on the subject. Maybe it was easier to publish the myth than risk liability from the truth. JJ Allen Dick wrote: > > "Jeremy Goodwin" wrote in message > news:3C69AB13.FC9B283F@dcnet2000.com... > > Here is a good primer for the subject, if a bit on the > > simplistic side when it comes to the genetics, but > > fairly written. > > > > Well I got as far as this: > "Less than a year after the African colonies had been established, a visitor > mistakenly removed the hive entrances that blocked the queens from escaping. > Twenty-six colonies and their queens had abandoned their hives." > > and wonder about all the rest. > > What kind of beekeeper would not know that the queens are not the only > genetic material that might 'escape'. Drones are almost impossible to > contain, and I see nowhere that there was ever an attempt to restrict them. > > This story has taken on many of the characteristics of a fable. > > allen Article 31131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newbie: mosquito spray question Date: 12 Feb 2002 19:30:04 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <9623a84c.0202121423.5613e8c@posting.google.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1013560199 8837 166.84.1.3 (13 Feb 2002 00:29:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31131 In article <9623a84c.0202121423.5613e8c@posting.google.com>, pablo /MA wrote: >I'm excited to get started with a hive this spring but am hesitant >because my town does occasionally spray for skeeters at dusk or night. > Reading through the archives, the concensus seems to be most worried >about illegal daytime spraying. > >Will night time spraying be prohibitive to keeping healthy bees? No. Not unless you've got rare nocturnal bees. Not to worry, dude. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 01:38:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.69.147.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 1013564299 66.69.147.80 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:38:19 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:38:19 CST Organization: Road Runner - Texas Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31132 Mr. Lopez, Beekeepers have a hard enough time doing our hobby (and some profession) without heaped-on negative publicity. My hope is that you will offer a balanced reporting of facts about bees. My suspicion, however, is that this will be just another piece of "journalistic" sensationalism designed to scare the public and garner high viewer ratings. Lord knows we were inundated with that type of "news" garbage in Houston, Texas during the year 2001. The Discovery Channel (and The Learning Channel) has "Killer Swarms" and "10 Most Deadliest Insects". Now you want to do one too? Give us beekeepers a break! Robert Talk (tired of what passes for "news" these days) Article 31133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Don" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Terramycin 6.4 oz Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <%hla8.49320$w51.5190511@kent.svc.tds.net> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 03:43:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.137.87.96 X-Complaints-To: abuse@tds.net (TDS.NET Help Desk 1-888-815-5992) X-Trace: kent.svc.tds.net 1013571835 208.137.87.96 (Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:43:55 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:43:55 CST Organization: TDS.NET Internet Services www.tds.net Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!204.189.71.76.MISMATCH!kent.svc.tds.net!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31133 Can anyone tell me how much terramycin to put in one hive and how often..........everything i read tells me something different..............i want to dust..........or what is the best....please......................... e-mail................dmelton1@tds.net Article 31134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: webmaster@parc.gov.pk (M.Azam Niazi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Pakistan Bee Keeping Research Date: 12 Feb 2002 23:26:42 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 2 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.56.8.190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1013585203 31973 127.0.0.1 (13 Feb 2002 07:26:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Feb 2002 07:26:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31134 For getting an idea of Agricultural Research in Pakistan,please visit the official website www.parc.gov.pk Article 31135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:11:31 -0600 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> <3C6944B9.92CD4A3C@dcnet2000.com> <3C699400.194971F3@dcnet2000.com> <3C69A361.CB2D79D8@dcnet2000.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVb1DohcTZB5Ju0riaiyBV39siyUgzTYFwDkeO3bp5QLXnaMIAXciACv X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Feb 2002 16:11:50 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31135 > From: Jeremy Goodwin > The USDA does DNA testing from all their traps. There is > no blanket determination of africanization. The African > DNA is a single, super dominant characteristic. I > suggest you read some more material before forming > opinions and trying to argue the points. > At no point did I say that all of this country, or any > country, is africanized. > JJ Hi Jeremy - I apologize if it sounded like I was saying you said that. I know you didn't, but our bee labs have and lab personal have said so. I'm sure I also said county, not country. Regards, Barry Article 31136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C6A9362.3A518160@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Phobic Documentary References: <20020212090438.04272.00000001@mb-cp.aol.com> <3C693E1B.18C31A6E@dcnet2000.com> <3C6944B9.92CD4A3C@dcnet2000.com> <3C699400.194971F3@dcnet2000.com> <3C69A361.CB2D79D8@dcnet2000.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:25:06 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.112 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1013617634 204.2.54.112 (Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:27:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:27:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31136 Damn vanity keeps getting me in trouble, I hate wearing glasses. I will reiterate the fact that I spend considerable portions of the year in countries with africanized bees and most of them cannot afford to continually requeen. Even continual input of europeans does nothing to offset the wild bee population and the increased level of fertilization success of the africanized strains during mating flights. Drone traps, while apparently effective in areas where most bees are cultivated, cannot be used in sufficient numbers to impact hybridization in areas where there is a large, wild bee population. BTW, this thread has got me re-reading a lot of material that I thought I had understood. I am realizing how off base some of my previously formed opinions were. JJ Barry Birkey wrote: > > > From: Jeremy Goodwin > > > The USDA does DNA testing from all their traps. There is > > no blanket determination of africanization. The African > > DNA is a single, super dominant characteristic. I > > suggest you read some more material before forming > > opinions and trying to argue the points. > > At no point did I say that all of this country, or any > > country, is africanized. > > JJ > > Hi Jeremy - > > I apologize if it sounded like I was saying you said that. I know you > didn't, but our bee labs have and lab personal have said so. I'm sure I also > said county, not country. > > Regards, > Barry Article 31137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:09:56 +0000 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-77.carcharoth.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1013731650 28223 62.136.145.205 (15 Feb 2002 00:07:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Feb 2002 00:07:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!news.onramp.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news.louisville.edu!news.uky.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31137 I have tried to test ways of using a food processor to produce a creamed honey but see the difference between what I am producing and what all the replies have suggested. Basically you are using a small crystaled honey to see and thus control the rapid crystalisation of the main body of honey. I will eneavour to go down this route. One comment that I would make regarding the 'liquidiser' method I have used is that when you let the result 'settle' you get an air filled 'froth' that settles on top. This is wonderful in texture and taste! Article 31138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Nematodes Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:28:47 +0000 Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-77.carcharoth.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1013729530 3072 62.136.145.205 (14 Feb 2002 23:32:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Feb 2002 23:32:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!skynet.be!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31138 Just had an interesting evening at the local club meeting. One lady (very experienced beekeeper) told how she prepared to dissect two drone for examination and was alarmed by the fact that they began to move. She waited and a nematode (spelling?) appeared from the ruptured thorax. Apparently the nematodes are taken up by drones drinking from dirty water? What about workers? She said she has never found any in workers. She actually brought in some microscope slides showing the nematodes. Disgusting sight! Article 31139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 11:53:13 -0600 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <658l6uoa8mmlt4f31jded5pn7h7jisglv3@4ax.com> References: <009h6us2g1fftokcg6p2brjs8ordevljf9@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.179 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1013622795 48467220 216.167.143.179 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!80.65.228.52.MISMATCH!deine.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.179!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31139 jaf@jaf.co.uk ask: >? ? ? it's 'true' people who spend the first six months of their lives in hot places have 'more' of a capacity to sweat (to keep themselves cool) than those who spend this time of their lives in cool climates. More capacity translates as more pores for emitting 'sweat.' Now I may have construed the article I was reading 'wrong' and 'capacity for sweat' may not have meant 'more' pores to sweat. In the meantime, read this: http://www.sweating.net/ then Adam Finkelstein said: >So if you grow up where there are more libraries, you'll have more brain >cells than if you grow up, say, in Fiji? logical in a rush limbaugh sort of way, but I'm on about 'adaptation' here, and I didn't just dream this up. I'll start looking for my source; however, I read, this a while back, so if I fail to quote a scientific document to backup my 'assertion' feel free to believe 'whatever,' I'll understand. C.K. Article 31140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:15:32 -0000 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <009h6us2g1fftokcg6p2brjs8ordevljf9@4ax.com> <658l6uoa8mmlt4f31jded5pn7h7jisglv3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-182.calcium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1013640453 8315 62.136.19.182 (13 Feb 2002 22:47:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Feb 2002 22:47:33 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31140 "Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message news:658l6uoa8mmlt4f31jded5pn7h7jisglv3@4ax.com... > jaf@jaf.co.uk ask: > More capacity translates as more pores for emitting >'sweat.' Which dictionary are you using? Article 31141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jaf@jaf.SPAMMENOT.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeper euphoria Organization: Or chaos? You Choose. Message-ID: References: <009h6us2g1fftokcg6p2brjs8ordevljf9@4ax.com> <658l6uoa8mmlt4f31jded5pn7h7jisglv3@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:50:23 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1013640626 80.1.219.11 (Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:50:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:50:26 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31141 On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:15:32 -0000, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > >"Charlie Kroeger" wrote in message >news:658l6uoa8mmlt4f31jded5pn7h7jisglv3@4ax.com... >> jaf@jaf.co.uk ask: >> More capacity translates as more pores for emitting >>'sweat.' > >Which dictionary are you using? > I didn't write any of that. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steven Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive splitting and treatments Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:43:54 -0600 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-164.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31142 Hello, I live in West Tennessee, I plan on splitting my 9 hives. When is the best time to do this? Should I just make two hives or make 3 out of each? Also, when would be the best time to do the split? I have begun feeding my bees, also I put pollen substitute in already as well. Right now, I have Russian and Italian bees, but someone recommends Carniolian. I have not treated for tracheal before, any suggestions? I treated the what seemed like the infested hives for varroa last fall. If I treat for the tracheal mites, do I need to remove any supers that will be used for honey? Should I treat again for varroa before the split? Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. Here, the temps have warmed up into the 50's and the bees have begun flight. There is some pollen out there that they are collecting. Thank you Steve --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/2002 Article 31143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Hive splitting and treatments Lines: 44 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 14:15:50 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-xh3FIMWHraAC2C6XBlxAjs2PktP+rFE8+u36Aiv59ztwH2L46k6x4t8kT+4PCedAFDFt0+BzltooTl3!pBlUD92xhqTQrqBkjKqZOguHvdCMbnpNoiGNRMuvEAq4fE8O5w4OYffCLbHlTeAqT/tK7FgLQ6oB!YJ8L1fTgWS7LXBUJ X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 20:15:50 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31143 Here a few links that will help you. http://www.beekeeper.org/george_imirie/colony_management.html http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/increase.html http://beesource.com/pov/rodriguez/index.htm http://beesource.com/pov/lusby/index.htm This should get you started. You should get some books on the subject too. Of all the links I've given you, this one will give you the most amount of info and will be easy to follow: http://www.beekeeper.org/george_imirie/ Good Luck Mark "Steven Hagerty" wrote in message news:a4ofkl0m30@enews2.newsguy.com... > Hello, I live in West Tennessee, I plan on splitting my 9 hives. When is > the best time to do this? Should I just make two hives or make 3 out of > each? Also, when would be the best time to do the split? I have begun > feeding my bees, also I put pollen substitute in already as well. Right > now, I have Russian and Italian bees, but someone recommends Carniolian. I > have not treated for tracheal before, any suggestions? I treated the what > seemed like the infested hives for varroa last fall. If I treat for the > tracheal mites, do I need to remove any supers that will be used for honey? > Should I treat again for varroa before the split? Any suggestions or > comments would be appreciated. Here, the temps have warmed up into the 50's > and the bees have begun flight. There is some pollen out there that they > are collecting. > Thank you > Steve > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.314 / Virus Database: 175 - Release Date: 1/11/2002 > > > Article 31144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive splitting and treatments Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 47 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:59:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.220 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1013990393 4.33.104.220 (Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:59:53 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:59:53 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:59:53 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31144 "Steven Hagerty" wrote: >Hello, I live in West Tennessee, I plan on splitting my 9 hives. When is >the best time to do this? I prefer to split hives after the main spring honey flow (June), so I get a full crop of honey before the colonies are split. The colonies are larger at that time of the year too, so it's easy to split a hive into 3 if desired. Winter losses are extremely low here, so this timing may make more sense for southern climates. Queens can't reliably be mated here in north Texas until late March, so there simply isn't enough time to build up the colonies enough to make honey if they are split in March (without extensive feeding, at least). Even if buying queens earlier, it would be tough to build them up enough before the flow. A disadvantage of splitting in the summer or fall is that the colony requires care until the next spring. >Should I just make two hives or make 3 out of >each? If you're installing new caged queens, it is best to have at least 4 frames of brood with plenty of bees. Bees tend to supersede new queens in weak nucs. You might choose to keep your feelers out for swarms, and set up a swarm box in a shady but open location, 8-15 feet off the ground, 1" entrance, with at least one old frame so it smells like bees have been there. Under the eve of a house is good. I've had early spring swarms produce a good crop of honey, especially if boosted with a frame or two of brood at the start. >I have not treated for tracheal before, any suggestions? In Texas, there is normally no need to treat for tracheal mites. Don't know about Tennessee. Varroa mites are a different matter... Best wishes for your splitting, John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:04:48 -0000 Lines: 43 Message-ID: References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-112.iodine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1013958591 19389 62.136.44.112 (17 Feb 2002 15:09:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Feb 2002 15:09:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31145 "don" wrote in message news:cTRa8.59492$Ig2.16183213@news1.elcjn1.sdca.home.com... > Creamed honey is simply crystalized honey, but the crystals are very fine. Not quite so. My understanding is that crystallised honey - whatever the crystal size - consists of a rigid lattice structure of glucose crystals with liquid honey (high in fructose) in the spaces in the lattice, i.e. there is a rigid framework of glucose crystals and the honey appears to be a solid mass. If the crystals are large, then the honey will have a gritty texture. If this crystallised honey is then stirred by some means, the crystal structure is broken and we then have creamed honey - which consists of broken glucose crystals in the remaining liquid phase. This creamed honey will not re-set, but may be gritty or smooth depending on two factors: the size of the crystals before stirring and/or the method of stirring; if we start with fine crystals then the creamed honey will always be smooth even with gentle stirring, but if we start with large crystals then the creamed honey will be gritty unless we break the crystals down using a grinder (or high speed food processor). Obviously, high speed agitation will tend to incorporate air - which is not desirable as it will rise to the surface forming an unsightly 'scum'. Commercially, honey is either fed between rollers set very close together so that, whatever the size of the original crystals, the resulting honey is smooth - or is packed using a homogeniser (like they use to make mayonnaise) which again breaks the crystals into very small pieces. I would suggest that the best way for small scale production is to try to avoid coarse granulation by seeding with a fine grain honey (rape is ideal) when it is extracted; it is then a simple matter to bottle by warming the honey gently and then stirring it. The temperature used will depend on the particular honey - I find that most can be heated to 102F without damaging the structure, but some honey this year containing some borage (or 'Starflower') may subsequently frost if it is heated above 94F. Of course, a great advantage of creamed honey is that it does not frost if prepared correctly. I have two jars on the shelf in the honey house which have been there since September 1997 (from the first batch from my new bottling tank fitted with stirrer) and they are still perfect. Article 31146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maxant Industries Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 15:08:28 -0000 Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <6XPa8.11235$Aw2.474168@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-112.iodine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1013958592 19389 62.136.44.112 (17 Feb 2002 15:09:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Feb 2002 15:09:52 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31146 Many thanks. "Me" wrote in message news:6XPa8.11235$Aw2.474168@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > Ok, here is their phone number. Be sure to tell Rick the problems you are > having! I Rick isn't there, ask for Bill Patterson. Joan will probably > answer the phone. Tell her hi from Mark from Texas too. > > 1-978-772-0576 > > Mark > > "Peter Edwards" wrote in > message news:a4fpi5$nu3$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > This is the address I have always used - but it comes back undeliverable > > now. > > > > I am trying to contact him re a spare part that he promised to get well > over > > a year ago! > > > > I have now emailed sales@maxantindustries.com but still no reply. > > > > Not best pleased with the current level of service! > > "Me" wrote in message > > news:E7Ca8.14702$UQ.1398243@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > > > Rick is their top sales person. Tell him Mark for Texas says hi. > > > > > > Thibault, Richard > > > E-mail Address(es): > > > ric56@NET1Plus.com > > > Company: Maxant Industries > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > "Peter Edwards" wrote > > in > > > message news:a3tab9$kdt$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > Can anyone help with an email address for Maxant? > > > > The old one does not work anymore and their ads in Bee Culture and ABJ > > no > > > > longer show an email address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 31147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 16:16:36 -0600 Lines: 99 Message-ID: References: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.15 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1014070598 2748655 216.167.143.15 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.15!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31147 >I see I was a bit too succiinct in my previous post and so the meaning is >unclear. >There are less than 4 million people in total, including people from most >nationalities. I knew what you meant, just made a 'joke.' >Maori aren't considered >"Maori Indians" over here >simply Maori I think it just means they were there first as in 'indigenous' >You think there is a great beyond ? >Not just some mythical realms of the hopeful ? If you find out, let me know. >Then I hope you travel safely There isn't much of that now, just needed to get on again for the same reasons you get back on your horse after being bucked off. >You actually keep African Bees. I have to assume as much, they're very odd bees compared to my old pre varroa hives. These bees swarm like hell, I mean they have sealed queen cells in the hive even when they don't swarm, and throwing off a couple of swarms even in a hot an dry summer is no problem. Swarming is what they do; another thing about them is they maintain this very 'clean' hive interior, using next to no propolis and their 'housekeeping' is perfect. It has been suggested that if these hives got really big like in the tropics, then I would see the famous disposition, but here, it's no beekeeping paradise, and so they never develop into those human sized swarms hanging from bridges in East Texas and South Louisiana. They are fascinating, and very tough, can survive hard winters and bad seasons with very small populations, and meager stores; they also survive without medications of any king. They are efficient and build up fast; to prevent excessive swarming, I'm constantly making splits, but they swarm anyway. At the end of the season, I rebuild the splits into larger hives for the winter. Getting these bees to store some serious amounts of honey is my current project. If that ever happens, I'll be sure to write a monograph on the subject. >There was an interesting documentary here recently about the introduction of >the African bees in Brazil and the US. I probably saw that or a similar thing. The real story was different. The Brazilians were breeding and 'distributing' these queens and in fact that story about the blundering peasant letting the 'new' queens go free, was bullshit. The Brazilian researchers in 1956 at the Warwick Estevan Kerr laboratory were actually very impressed with their new hybrids. They shipped Africanized bee semen from 1959 to 1961 to Steve Tabor of the USDA bee lab at Baton Rouge (Louisiana) who tried out the new bees there until the late 1960's.* *see a post of mine from 28 May 2001 with the Subject: So the truth IS out there When the Brazilians realized they had created a monster some spin on the original story was concocted. Remember what William Burroughs said: "no job to dirty for a fucking scientist." >They say the African bees are presently in Sth California and will soon be >in LA. Yes, but these are not the same bees that started out in Brazil and there's a lot of other factors. There's the widespread use of insecticides for instance, and general agri business that doesn't promote insects of any kind and this business is creating a dearth of mixed habitat, which is necessary. Possibly the varroa mite has kept down the number of swarms. There's less than desirable conditions in the US as opposed to the tropics of South America. Also you have to consider it's been near to 50 years since this new bee was created; I don't think it's the same bee. In large numbers at least, they still possess their famous temper, but you don't hear of people and animals being attacked 150 yards from the hive unprovoked, like those stories from South America. I know they hate all that lawn mowing, but so do I. When I hear of someone attacked by african bees whilst mowing his lawn I just think that's one for the planet, and reap the whirlwind. >all in all, it >would be a brave person indeed that would take >on keeping the African Bees. They arrived in early spring three years ago when all my Buckfast bees were infected with Varroa, and have subsequently died out. I really consider them a 'gift' and a chance for a new kind of beekeeping. I just need to figure out how to manage them for my part of the world. All beekeepers would appear to be brave but if not, then certainly strange. C.K. Article 31149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: It sounds like we are going to lose our fed bee labs Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:17:42 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3c74d6a0.1395138@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31149 Here is a part of an email that I just recieved. Considering who it was from I am sure that it is valid. On February 4, it was announced that the USDA Bee Research Laboratories in Beltsville, Maryland, Tucson, Arizona, and Baton Rouge, Louisiana have been cut from the 2003 budget. This will eliminate three of four USDA honey bee research laboratories at a time when beekeepers are facing tremendous problems. Only the lab in Weslaco, Texas, will remain open. The current budget for the four labs is approximately $5,000,000. The closings will reduce the number of bee research scientists from 21 to 9 and save only about $3,000,000. One scientist from each closed lab and a small amount of funding will be re-directed to the Weslaco lab. beekeep Article 31150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3c74d6a0.1395138@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: It sounds like we are going to lose our fed bee labs Lines: 29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 12:03:12 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-vvz/csOll5X0h7E1i8tuEqz+UQmc0nojKLGTG5uXKiB4UgVLj6GSfwj12RiAgS1L6KFvcOKRhj20E2N!5mZG5OvgWkNX/Uaofo8rndqOYbOzw2/eIDtTqECfcMfbSzSq8JX79z4/6DWM7BsD29daXzML+tqH!C2bUxey5E6GupdM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:03:12 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer2.newshosting.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31150 Government is good for a lot of things, but I wonder if we (the beekeeping industry) could do a better job. I would like to think that if we all joined forces, we could manage a lot of our own needs with much less government influence. Just a thought, but maybe it's time we started thinking this way. Mark "beekeep" wrote in message news:3c74d6a0.1395138@news1.radix.net... > > Here is a part of an email that I just recieved. Considering who it > was from I am sure that it is valid. > > On February 4, it was announced that the USDA Bee Research > Laboratories in Beltsville, Maryland, Tucson, Arizona, and Baton > Rouge, Louisiana have been cut from the 2003 budget. This will > eliminate three of four USDA honey bee research laboratories at a time > when beekeepers are facing tremendous problems. Only the lab in > Weslaco, Texas, will remain open. The current budget for the four > labs is approximately $5,000,000. The closings will reduce the number > of bee research scientists from 21 to 9 and save only about > $3,000,000. One scientist from each closed lab and a small amount of > funding will be re-directed to the Weslaco lab. > > beekeep > > Article 31151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It sounds like we are going to lose our fed bee labs Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:33:01 -0600 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3c74d6a0.1395138@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.60 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1014327189 3787192 216.167.143.60 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.60!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31151 >we could manage a lot of our own needs with much less >government influence. Just a thought, but maybe it's time we started >thinking this way. In case you didn't notice it, you are already managing much less without 'government influence'. You should then be happy to continue paying taxes as instructed. "Government influence" how is that interfering into your "needs" as it were? What does that mean exactly? Tell me something, are you in your 60's and qualify for "medicare" a form of "socialized medicine" for some? Are you perhaps, a 'veteran' and get to go to the Veteran's Hospital? Do you like getting your 'state pension' check every month? When are we going to get these costly government programs that are damaging our economy, out of our lives? C.K. Article 31152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It sounds like we are going to lose our fed bee labs Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 15:34:52 -0600 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <3c74d6a0.1395138@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.60 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1014327293 4256151 216.167.143.60 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.60!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31152 >On February 4, it was announced announced by who? C.K. Article 31153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Feb 2002 21:47:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Spring report Message-ID: <20020221164743.19613.00000022@mb-cb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31153 I opened 10 hives today in Southeast CT USA to inspect and begin stimulative feeding. 8 were very strong, 2 were somewhat smaller but still sound. I am now impressed with carniolan queens and will use more of them. Hope your overwintering was successful. Article 31154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BigTimber" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It sounds like we are going to lose our fed bee labs Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 16:18:04 -0600 Organization: Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG Lines: 11 Sender: bigtimber@att.net Message-ID: References: <3c74d6a0.1395138@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pat.niti.com X-Trace: newsreader.mailgate.org 1014329453 11758 64.73.90.228 (21 Feb 2002 22:10:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@mailgate.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 22:10:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!news.mailgate.org!newsreader.mailgate.org!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31154 Just communicated with a very reputable source (prominent researcher recently retired from the Tucson lab.) He confirms that the President's new budget calls for the lab closures. But some good news: He says that all whom he has contacted that should be in the know are saying that it won't actually happen! -- Tim Moeller Article 31155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Colonies wanted - UK Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:17:50 -0000 Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-195.cesium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1014362303 29673 62.136.46.195 (22 Feb 2002 07:18:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Feb 2002 07:18:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31155 Up to 150 colonies in Nationals wanted - ideally single brood, Hoffman frames. Offers to 01789 295169. Can I also add an off-topic appeal? The charity 'Tommy's Campaign' (Finding the answer to problem pregnancies) is appealing for used inkjet cartridges (not Epson). Just ring 0800 435576 for a supply of pre-paid bags to send them back, or see www.inkagain.co.uk. Article 31156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Spring report Date: 22 Feb 2002 08:24:07 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <20020221164743.19613.00000022@mb-cb.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader2.panix.com 1014384247 26158 166.84.1.2 (22 Feb 2002 13:24:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 13:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31156 In article <20020221164743.19613.00000022@mb-cb.aol.com>, BeeCrofter wrote: > I opened 10 hives today in Southeast CT USA to inspect and begin stimulative >feeding. 8 were very strong, 2 were somewhat smaller but still sound. I am now >impressed with carniolan queens and will use more of them. Hi. What Carniolan line did you use and who made it for you? Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 31157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Feb 2002 14:28:13 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Spring report Message-ID: <20020222092813.20562.00000001@mb-fz.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31157 I purchased queens last year from Bee Happy Apiaries and had them mailed across country. (they came from California) Article 31158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Candy and Fondant Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:21:05 -0000 Lines: 43 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-114.scandium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1014387964 5757 62.136.20.114 (22 Feb 2002 14:26:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Feb 2002 14:26:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31158 A short while ago we had a debate on the differences between candy and fondant; the outcome, in my view, was not completely satisfactory and I have been researching a little further. There seems to be no clear definition of the terms 'candy' and 'fondant', with many beekeepers using them indiscriminately. Beekeeping literature is not particularly helpful, with TSK and MP Johansson (Some Important Operations in Bee Management) giving recipes for 'Soft Candy (Fondant)' and 'Hard Candy', whilst Morse and Hooper (Encyclopedia of Beekeeping) define candy as a 'soft, fudge-like sugar solid'. A range of boiling temperatures are suggested, from 234-240F (Johansson 'fondant'), 243F (Wedmore quoted by Johansson), 243F (Morse and Hooper 'candy' - did they get this from Wedmore? or Johansson?), up to 310F (Johansson 'hard candy'). Johansson suggests adding glucose, 1tbsp to 3 lbs sugar, in their fondant, but state that 'candy makers' use 15% glucose for "excellent" fondant. Some sources suggest using cream of tartar in the recipe, but both of the above point out that acid-inverted sugar is toxic to bees (LE Dills 1925) and that if inversion is desired then only enzyme-inverted sugar should be used. However, Johansson points out that 'The addition of acid arrests inversion, and accelerates crystallisation, which argues against the long-established rationale for inverting sugar syrup in the first instance. Today I telephoned my supplier of Bakers' Fondant (used by many large-scale beekeepers in the UK) to establish the technical specifications and method of production. They tell me that the fondant consists of: Sugar 74.5% +/- 0.5% Glucose solids 14.5% +/- 0.5% Water 11.0% +/- 0.5% The ingredients are heated just to boiling point (approx 221F) and are then stirred in a creamer until cool. This produces a soft, fine-grain sugar paste. I would suggest that the term 'fondant' should be used only for this type of sugar paste, and the term 'candy' be used where the mixture is heated to a higher temperature (typically above 234F) in order to evaporate some of the water and make a more solid product. The one thing that is clear is that it would seem to be unwise to add cream of tartar! Article 31159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Georgia Postal Service limits bee shipping Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:05:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1014390368.768386@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 6 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!paradoxa.ogoense.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31159 see "Honeybees' travel ban sours plans of farmers" at: http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/049/metro/Honeybees_travel_ban_sours_plans _of_farmers+.shtml Article 31160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Georgia Postal Service limits bee shipping Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:18:45 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3c76b599.124012099@news1.radix.net> References: <1014390368.768386@savina> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31160 On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:05:46 -0500, "Teri Bachus" wrote: >see "Honeybees' travel ban sours plans of farmers" at: > >http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/049/metro/Honeybees_travel_ban_sours_plans >_of_farmers+.shtml > > This link didn't work for me. beekeep Article 31161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Chuck Coger" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1014390368.768386@savina> <3c76b599.124012099@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Georgia Postal Service limits bee shipping Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 21:38:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.35.156.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.tampabay.rr.com 1014413931 65.35.156.107 (Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:38:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 16:38:51 EST Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.tampabay.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31161 This is common. When u click the link remember to look below to see if it was wrapped. In this case is was. So click the link and let your web browser come up, then go back to the post and copy the bottom portion of the link at the end of the URL in your webbrowser. In this case click the link, then copy "_of_farmers+.shtml" at the end of the URL in your browser. After that it will work. Hope This Helps Chuck Coger "beekeep" wrote in message news:3c76b599.124012099@news1.radix.net... > On Fri, 22 Feb 2002 10:05:46 -0500, "Teri Bachus" > wrote: > > >see "Honeybees' travel ban sours plans of farmers" at: > > > >http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/049/metro/Honeybees_travel_ban_sours_plan s > >_of_farmers+.shtml > > > > > This link didn't work for me. > > beekeep > > Article 31162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fcooke@lineone.net (Freddie Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK Beekeeper visiting |Vancouver & Salt Spring July 2002 Date: 22 Feb 2002 17:59:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1b093a58.0202221759.494ae647@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.18.136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1014429568 15058 127.0.0.1 (23 Feb 2002 01:59:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Feb 2002 01:59:28 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31162 I want to make contact with any beekeepers in the Vancouver and Salt Spring localities of BC. I will be holidaying in Ganges with occasional visits to friends in West Vancouver during late July and early August 2002. Article 31163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chinese honey alert Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:29:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1014474581.969203@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!DirecTVinternet!DirecTV-DSL!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31163 "Tests carried out by the Food Standards Agency on Chinese and blended honey on sale in the UK have revealed the presence of a chloramphenicol, an antibiotic..." see this link for details (watch the wrap): http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/page.cfm?objectid=1 1641210&method=full&siteid=50003 Article 31164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Georgia Postal Service limits bee shipping Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:36:15 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1014475011.58431@savina> References: <1014390368.768386@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31164 see "Post office bee ban overturned in sweet victory for keepers" at: http://www.news-journalonline.com/2002/Feb/22/STAT12.htm Article 31165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Finding bees in a wall Message-ID: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:09:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.137 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1014502176 4.33.104.137 (Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:09:36 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:09:36 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 14:09:36 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31165 Is there a practical way to located exactly where bees are inside the wall of a building? Today I wanted to do a bee removal, but could not find exactly where the bees were nesting in the building. The bees' entrance was between the first and second floor, between brick (bottom floor) and wood paneling. On the inside, I pounded and listened on the ceiling and both the first and second floor walls but heard nothing. I want to avoid unnecessary damage to the structure, so any clever techniques that have proven successful would be appreciated. Thanks, John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:21:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1014510098 24.31.219.77 (Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:21:38 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 19:21:38 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31166 "John Caldeira" wrote > The bees' entrance was between the first and second floor, between > brick (bottom floor) and wood paneling. On the inside, I pounded and > listened on the ceiling and both the first and second floor walls but > heard nothing. One like that which I did had the main nest between the floor joists, rather than in the wall studs. This particular colony, which I did many years ago, went as far into the center as my arm plus a hoe, could reach. Wotta sticky job! You might try one of those stethoscopes that some mechanics use. Or a doctor's... -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 31167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:25:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3c78401d.224999170@news1.radix.net> References: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31167 On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:09:36 GMT, John Caldeira wrote: >Is there a practical way to located exactly where bees are inside the >wall of a building? Today I wanted to do a bee removal, but could not >find exactly where the bees were nesting in the building. > >The bees' entrance was between the first and second floor, between >brick (bottom floor) and wood paneling. On the inside, I pounded and >listened on the ceiling and both the first and second floor walls but >heard nothing. I want to avoid unnecessary damage to the structure, >so any clever techniques that have proven successful would be >appreciated. > >Thanks, > >John > >John Caldeira >Dallas, Texas, USA >http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping A stethascope works pretty good. Smoke the bees first to get them humming. I'd be willing to bet that they are in between the floor joists. It is just the right size! Sometimes you just have to take an educative guess and try to think like a scout bee. beekeep Article 31168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:31:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.125.87 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1014514280 12.81.125.87 (Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:31:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:31:20 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31168 Infra-red imaging to find the hot spot. Or maybe a Beagle would be cheaper and easier to find. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Dave Green" wrote in message news:mmWd8.25710$nr.16660457@typhoon.southeast.rr.com... > > "John Caldeira" wrote > > > The bees' entrance was between the first and second floor, between > > brick (bottom floor) and wood paneling. On the inside, I pounded and > > listened on the ceiling and both the first and second floor walls but > > heard nothing. > > One like that which I did had the main nest between the floor joists, > rather than in the wall studs. This particular colony, which I did many > years ago, went as far into the center as my arm plus a hoe, could reach. > Wotta sticky job! > > You might try one of those stethoscopes that some mechanics use. Or a > doctor's... > > -- > Dave Green SC USA > The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com > > > > Article 31169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:25:53 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3c78cd8c.261202653@news1.radix.net> References: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31169 On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 01:31:20 GMT, "George Styer" wrote: >Infra-red imaging to find the hot spot. Or maybe a Beagle would be cheaper >and easier to find. > >-- >Geo I don't George, my Jack Russel hides under the truck as soon as I light the smoker. beekeep Article 31170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: welaine3@shaw.ca (elaine) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: nectar flows Date: 24 Feb 2002 11:10:34 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <77108537.0202241110.2ba1452a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1014577834 31665 127.0.0.1 (24 Feb 2002 19:10:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Feb 2002 19:10:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31170 I'm glad you were able to keep this newsgroup up and running. I have been follwing for about a year now. Qustion how do you tell when a nectar flow is on? Are there signs related to bee behaviour that I should be looking for or is it one of those instinctive things that you become aware of after many years of beekeeping? I am starting my third year with the bees and find this quite puzzling. Thank you. elaine Article 31171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William J. Meyerbeck" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Profits in Bees? Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:34:35 -0500 Organization: Very Lacking Lines: 7 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!feedwest.news.agis.net!aleron.net!news.alt.net!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31171 Are beekeepers doing it for hobby/extra cash or can an individual earn a living keeping bees? Article 31172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: scullion@shaw.ca (Brian Scullion) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: nectar flows Message-ID: <3c799821.22128452@news> References: <77108537.0202241110.2ba1452a@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 23 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 02:02:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1014602558 24.64.223.206 (Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:02:38 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:02:38 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31172 I too enjoy this group very much. Great source for information by some very knowledgeable keepers. Lets keep her going. I think the answer wouldt be evident by observation. Your bees would very happy coming and going not bothered by you having a look see inside. And cells would fill with nectar. I should say that I do not have bees yet, but am looking forward to my first colony this year. I ask a lot of questions and go to all meetings and observe hives whenever i can. If my answer to your question is partially correct ...we shall see, but a happy colony is feeding well, growing strong with space to grow and medicated when needed. On 24 Feb 2002 11:10:34 -0800, welaine3@shaw.ca (elaine) wrote: >I'm glad you were able to keep this newsgroup up and running. I have >been follwing for about a year now. Qustion how do you tell when a >nectar flow is on? Are there signs related to bee behaviour that I >should be looking for or is it one of those instinctive things that >you become aware of after many years of beekeeping? I am starting my >third year with the bees and find this quite puzzling. Thank you. > >elaine Article 31173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Profits in Bees? Date: 25 Feb 2002 09:04:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1014656688 29674 127.0.0.1 (25 Feb 2002 17:04:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2002 17:04:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31173 Howdy William -- Don't give up your job!!! My suggestion: get a couple of colonies and live with them for a few years. This will give you an answer better than we can. Pete ************************************************ Article 31174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Date: 25 Feb 2002 09:12:22 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1014657142 29896 127.0.0.1 (25 Feb 2002 17:12:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2002 17:12:22 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31174 Howdy John -- The neatest and most practical solution to what you describe is to leave them alone. Just teach the folks to leave the bees along, but call you when they see a swarm hanging on a limb etc. Every beginner nees to remove bees from a wall a few times for the experience, but it's best to do it on a more desirable colony. i.e. at a lower level with a known location (not between floors). Pete ********************************************************* Article 31175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:19:12 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 177 Message-ID: References: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p57.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1014669436 5283 203.96.192.185 (25 Feb 2002 20:37:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2002 20:37:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31175 Hi Charlie I haven't read sci.a.b for a while so my reply has been somewhat delayed apologies for that. I get emails about bees each day and sometimes forget to return here. But i still think of you and your replies now and then :) onwards :- Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:d8p27u836v2cjaf68fgolsujc3jj0tueac@4ax.com... > >I see I was a bit too succiinct in my previous post and so the meaning is > >unclear. > >There are less than 4 million people in total, including people from most > >nationalities. > > I knew what you meant, just made a 'joke.' oh good, then you must know a bit about NZ > >Maori aren't considered > >"Maori Indians" over here > >simply Maori > > I think it just means they were there first as in 'indigenous' I see, so that is how you perceive. Among other nationalities I am of also Maori descent also and over here people generally think of India when they hear the term 'indian' mainly because we have quite a few people from India living here > >You think there is a great beyond ? > >Not just some mythical realms of the hopeful ? > > If you find out, let me know. oh darn, I was hoping for some confirmation :) > >Then I hope you travel safely > > There isn't much of that now, just needed to get on again for the > same reasons you get back on your horse after being bucked off. > > >You actually keep African Bees. > > I have to assume as much, they're very odd bees compared to my old > pre varroa hives. These bees swarm like hell, I mean they have > sealed queen cells in the hive even when they don't swarm, and > throwing off a couple of swarms even in a hot an dry summer is no > problem. Swarming is what they do; another thing about them is they > maintain this very 'clean' hive interior, using next to no propolis > and their 'housekeeping' is perfect. It has been suggested that if > these hives got really big like in the tropics, then I would see > the famous disposition, but here, it's no beekeeping paradise, and > so they never develop into those human sized swarms hanging from > bridges in East Texas and South Louisiana. > > They are fascinating, and very tough, can survive hard winters and > bad seasons with very small populations, and meager stores; they > also survive without medications of any king. They are efficient and > build up fast; to prevent excessive swarming, I'm constantly making > splits, but they swarm anyway. At the end of the season, I rebuild > the splits into larger hives for the winter. Getting these bees to > store some serious amounts of honey is my current project. If that > ever happens, I'll be sure to write a monograph on the subject. wow ! I too have a couple of hives that are extremely aggressive, have never seen anything like them in terms of attacking and then they follow when we leave the hive and will drive at the entrance way to the house for a considerable time after we leave their hives. Also they persist and will sometimes find their way into our protective gear, even thru the tiniest gaps. Most of our hives aren't like that but we have two in particular that are fierce. Most likelty because we have never requeened them in all the time we've had them. Most beekeepers here requeen from professional beekeepers and generally those queens are selected for their passive strains. If ours have requeened at all, then they have done so themselves and I guess the most aggressive queens have been the survivors, perhaps that may have contributed in some way to the aggressive nature of those hives. Ours all produce rather well and it was recently commented to me that the more aggressive bees do tend to be more efficient producers. The way I see it, by not requeening from the selection on offer by the popular queen breeders, this is in fact increasing the potentials of the gene pools, rather than minimising the genepool by purchasing queens from the popular queen suppliers. I am also posting an email I received this morning concerning bee behaviour in relation to empty comb, perhaps think it may relate in some ways to bee aggression. > >There was an interesting documentary here recently about the introduction of > >the African bees in Brazil and the US. > > I probably saw that or a similar thing. The real story was > different. The Brazilians were breeding and 'distributing' these > queens and in fact that story about the blundering peasant letting > the 'new' queens go free, was bullshit. The Brazilian researchers > in 1956 at the Warwick Estevan Kerr laboratory were actually very > impressed with their new hybrids. They shipped Africanized bee semen > from 1959 to 1961 to Steve Tabor of the USDA bee lab at Baton Rouge > (Louisiana) who tried out the new bees there until the late 1960's.* > > *see a post of mine from 28 May 2001 with the Subject: So the truth > IS out there I shall have a look at that later > When the Brazilians realized they had created a monster some spin > on the original story was concocted. Remember what William Burroughs > said: "no job to dirty for a fucking scientist." I haven't heard that saying but I have certainly seen a lot about scientists propensity to utlise science for personal gain. here has been a bit in the media lately about the unregulated human fertility industry and how that is being driven by capital gain with some rather unethical outcomes and some serious consequences, in particular one Mark Sauer who sold on human donor eggs which had been cancelled, I wonder whether he told the donors ? anyway going way off topic there. > >They say the African bees are presently in Sth California and will soon be > >in LA. > > Yes, but these are not the same bees that started out in Brazil and > there's a lot of other factors. There's the widespread use of > insecticides for instance, and general agri business that doesn't > promote insects of any kind and this business is creating a dearth > of mixed habitat, which is necessary. There is presently, in NZ, some legal action being taken against a citrus orchardist who sprayed his orchard while pollination hives were present. >Possibly the varroa mite has > kept down the number of swarms. There's less than desirable > conditions in the US as opposed to the tropics of South America. > Also you have to consider it's been near to 50 years since this new > bee was created; I don't think it's the same bee. most likely hybrid > In large numbers at least, they still possess their famous temper, > but you don't hear of people and animals being attacked 150 yards > from the hive unprovoked, like those stories from South America. I > know they hate all that lawn mowing, but so do I. When I hear of > someone attacked by african bees whilst mowing his lawn I just think > that's one for the planet, and reap the whirlwind. LOL > >all in all, it > >would be a brave person indeed that would take > >on keeping the African Bees. > > They arrived in early spring three years ago when all my Buckfast > bees were infected with Varroa, and have subsequently died out. I > really consider them a 'gift' and a chance for a new kind of > beekeeping. I just need to figure out how to manage them for my > part of the world. :) Some of the best gifts arrive when least expected and isn't nature wonderful at providing such :) Carmen > All beekeepers would appear to be brave but if not, then certainly > strange. > > C.K. Article 31176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fwd:- empty comb - defensive bee-haviour Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:23:17 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p57.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1014669437 5283 203.96.192.185 (25 Feb 2002 20:37:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2002 20:37:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31176 Greetings All The following may be of interest :- ----- Original Message ----- From: lindsays.apiaries Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:21 AM Were your bees vicious this year? DO YOU KNOW? TRUE OR FALSE The presence of empty comb in the hive enhances the level of behavior in a colony? ANSWER - TRUE The presence of empty comb within a hive enhances the level of defensive behavior. Unidentified pheromones in the empty combs apparently lower the threshold of response to intruders. Colonies housed in hives with large areas of empty comb respond to disturbance twice as fast and sting twice as much as colonies with little empty comb. (From the Nov Bee Culture). Article 31177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese honey alert Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:00:20 +0000 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <1014474581.969203@savina> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-91.dungortheb.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1014677868 1951 62.136.160.91 (25 Feb 2002 22:57:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2002 22:57:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31177 Cannot fiind this article. Can you re-check and advise the link? On Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:29:06 -0500, "Teri Bachus" wrote: >"Tests carried out by the Food Standards Agency on Chinese and blended honey >on sale in the UK have revealed the presence of a chloramphenicol, an >antibiotic..." >see this link for details (watch the wrap): >http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/page.cfm?objectid=1 >1641210&method=full&siteid=50003 > Article 31178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese honey alert Organization: Or chaos? You Choose. Message-ID: References: <1014474581.969203@savina> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:44:58 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1014682474 80.1.219.11 (Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:14:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:14:34 GMT X-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:14:44 GMT (newsr2.u-net.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!newsr2.u-net.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31178 On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:00:20 +0000, Steven Newport wrote: >http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/page.cfm?objectid=1 >>1641210&method=full&siteid=50003 >> http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/page.cfm?objectid=11641210&method=full&siteid=50003 If the above has stayed on one line, it should launch. If it has overflowed onto a second line, cut and paste it into your browsers address bar. HTH HAND ETC. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Organization: Or chaos? You Choose. Message-ID: References: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:42:16 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1014682312 80.1.219.11 (Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:11:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 00:11:52 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31179 On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:19:12 +1300, "Carmen" wrote: > over here people generally think of India when they hear the term >'indian' By gum, you're sharp as nails, you kiwis, innit? -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:58:06 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p85.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1014685923 9427 203.96.192.85 (26 Feb 2002 01:12:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2002 01:12:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31180 JAF wrote in message news:ltil7u401jn3g6lg9v5ptovq71ahqkbnok@4ax.com... > On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:19:12 +1300, "Carmen" > wrote: > > > over here people generally think of India when they hear the term > >'indian' > > By gum, you're sharp as nails, you kiwis, innit? > > -- > jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk > ne cede malis oh i see a lurker who has hardly ever posted anything in s.a.b, has been strangely stimulated to respond, to one rather off-topic line i my otherwise on-topic post. 'tis a gift that I have, to bring out the nutbars. kiwis sharp ?? oh yeah we float like a butterfly and sting like a bee :) Article 31181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Organization: Or chaos? You Choose. Message-ID: <0osl7uc5u5bgav951dme5n2b44vtqj7j6j@4ax.com> References: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:30:03 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1014692379 80.1.219.11 (Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:59:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:59:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!lon1-news.nildram.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31181 On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:58:06 +1300, "Carmen" wrote: >oh i see a lurker who has hardly ever posted anything >in s.a.b, Nope. That's not me. You must have mistaken me for someone else. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.65.177.105 From: scullion@shaw.ca (bjms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor Message-ID: <3c7b13a6.29109611@news> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 4 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 04:54:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1014699270 24.64.223.206 (Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:54:30 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:54:30 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31182 Anyone know of good free plans drawn up for a two or four frame extractor? Have seem Beesource.com, but would like to see other ideas and materials used. Thanks for any advice or links. :-) Article 31183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Profits in Bees? Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 07:33:40 -0000 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.calcium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1014626612 3050 62.136.19.19 (25 Feb 2002 08:43:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Feb 2002 08:43:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!80.65.228.52.MISMATCH!deine.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31183 This probably depends on three things: 1 Whether you are in a good beekeeping location and are able to find sufficient sites 2 How hard you are prepared to work 3 What you consider to be a good living! "William J. Meyerbeck" wrote in message news:a5c4aq$fj0$0@pita.alt.net... > > Are beekeepers doing it for hobby/extra cash or can an individual > earn a living keeping bees? > > > > Article 31184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Profits in Bees? Organization: Or chaos? You Choose. Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 20 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:03:55 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1014636810 80.1.219.11 (Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:33:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:33:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!news.onramp.ca!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31184 On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:34:35 -0500, "William J. Meyerbeck" wrote: > >Are beekeepers doing it for hobby/extra cash or can an individual >earn a living keeping bees? > There are too many variables to give a good answer. Get in touch with local beekeeper's associations/clubs/societies, and if you can find them, local beekeepers (who will just love to tell you all about their craft). Spare a half hour for a visit to your local library, they should have something in to give you an idea of what's involved in apiary. Do a Google search for bees, beekeeping. http://www.thorne.co.uk and www.beehoo.com are both very useful and have other links. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 31185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where to Order Bees? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:47:41 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.42.11 X-Server-Date: 26 Feb 2002 14:37:18 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!beamish.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!user-2iveggh.dialup.mindspring.com!user Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31185 We just moved from Colorado to Central Virginia. I know where I can order bees out of Montana and California, but they don't ship until April. I'd like to get the bees in earlier, now that we're in a more temperate climate. Does anyone know where to order bees in the South or Southeastern US? Thanks! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Feb 2002 17:21:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Mold on frames.... Message-ID: <20020226122154.07848.00000797@mb-mn.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31186 I left empty honey frames outside for bees to clean it and month later it got green and gray mold on wood frame. What is the best way to clean the wood frame so it be safe to use it aging? Thanks! Tim Article 31187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mold on frames.... Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:56:11 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20020226122154.07848.00000797@mb-mn.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1014753372 7716357 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31187 Bees will normally clean things up... However, I think the replacing of one frame as the cost is very little might out weigh the possiblity of the comb having been contaminated by bees that might of brought in foulbroad. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20020226122154.07848.00000797@mb-mn.aol.com... > I left empty honey frames outside for bees to clean it and month later it got > green and gray mold on wood frame. What is the best way to clean the wood frame > so it be safe to use it aging? Thanks! > Tim Article 31188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fwd:- empty comb - defensive bee-haviour Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:09:22 -0000 Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-64.xenon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1014764994 19722 62.136.45.64 (26 Feb 2002 23:09:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Feb 2002 23:09:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31188 This has been known for along time and was published by Collins and Rinderer in 1985! (Collins, A.M. and Rinderer, T.E. Effect of empty comb on defensive behaviour of honeybees. Journal of chemical ecology). "Carmen" wrote in message news:a5e79u$553$2@news.wave.co.nz... > Greetings All > > The following may be of interest :- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lindsays.apiaries > Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 9:21 AM > > Were your bees vicious this year? > > DO YOU KNOW? TRUE OR FALSE > > The presence of empty comb in the hive enhances the level of behavior in > a colony? > > ANSWER - TRUE The presence of empty comb within a hive enhances the > level of defensive behavior. Unidentified pheromones in the empty combs > apparently lower the threshold of response to intruders. Colonies > housed in hives with large areas of empty comb respond to disturbance > twice as fast and sting twice as much as colonies with little empty > comb. (From the Nov Bee Culture). > > > > > Article 31189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees collecting pollen today - Massachusetts Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:24:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.31.162.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net 1014762248 66.31.162.107 (Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:24:08 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:24:08 EST Organization: ATT Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.ne.ipsvc.net!cyclone.ne.ipsvc.net!65.96.0.182!typhoon.ne.ipsvc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31189 Quick update on conditions in southeastern Massachusetts. My bees were bringing in pollen today! It looked faintly yellow or gray, I'm guessing Pussy Willow? Looking forward to spring... -Steve Article 31190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 17:54:19 -0600 Lines: 142 Message-ID: References: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.111 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1014767665 7755635 216.167.143.111 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.111!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31190 Carmen Said: >oh good, then you must know a bit about NZ I guess I do..I worked with lots of interesting people in West Africa in the late 60's and 70's..and a good share of them were kiwis. Also aussies, white south africans (afrikaaners) white tanzanians, and rhodesians during the UDI period. There were ex British forces, and a former australians SAS man who had been in Viet Nam and was from Alice Springs; said he didn't like europe because it was too crowded. We had a couple of former mercenaries who had been in the Congo with (mad) Mike Hoare. I'm talking about men here Carmen, major levels of testosterone. A most interesting time to be sure. This all happened because of the 'Biafran War,' a so called 'civil' war in Nigeria, which was really about oil, as you might expect. Mobil Oil who was exploring in the Niger Delta when the war started, moved off shore and lost their local helpers; the only thing for it was to clean out the streets of Earl's Court, and to include a few patrons of the Zambezi Club. These guys were the finest bunch of pirates and desperados that ever crewed a drilling rig, and many good stories came with them. There was one called "fingers' (because he was missing one) from east London with "fuck you" tabooed across his forehead. When the All blacks came to Britain on a tour their Maori 'war' chant by way of a threat, could not but impress the hardest of men. Back then no one beat the All blacks. > over here people generally think of India when they hear the term >'indian' mainly because we have quite a few people from India living here We have 'Indians' too which are now "native Americans" and the indians you mention should correctly call themselves "sub continent Indians" being from 'India,' the country. I personally care nothing for this global homogenization of the cultures. Americans get blamed all the time for 'wrecking' other people's cultures; the French are forever whining about this, but what 'they' don't understand is that Americans have had all our unique local cultures wrecked too and the real villains are certain corporations, and not always American, that spread this plague of mediocrity across the planet like a pool of blood. >oh darn, I was hoping for some confirmation >:) Well I have my views on that; but, as Capt. Janeway would say, "our personal opinions are irrelevant." >wow ! >I too have a couple of hives that are extremely aggressive, have never seen >anything like them in terms of attacking and then they follow when we leave >the hive hummm..even mine are not this aggressive. The only time I've seen hives so aggressive is when something is 'wrong.' I had a couple of aggressive hives once and found them to have foul brood. Your post about empty combs would have some merit too. Bees get very short tempered when things are not right. Robbing, starvation, disease..humans wouldn't like it either. >Most likelty because we have never requeened them in all the time we've had >them. Most beekeepers here requeen from professional beekeepers and >generally those queens are selected for their passive strains. So I hear, but still you would think that the bees knew what was best for them. Around here aggression means survival. If I had a bunch of Carniolans on the edge of this canyon, they would just be something's lunch all the time. Cows are a problem too, as they like to push against things. With this bunch of bees now that only happens once. >Ours all produce rather well and it was recently commented to me that the >more aggressive bees do tend to be more efficient producers. The bees I have that I consider a variation on African bees, are also very good producers, the problem is getting them to stay put. >The way I see it, by not requeening from the selection on offer by the >popular queen breeders, this is in fact increasing the potentials of the >gene pools, rather than minimising the genepool by purchasing queens from >the popular queen suppliers. I would tend to agree. If you have bees that are hearty and producing well, I wouldn't fret about their disposition, that's what a good bee suit is for. There is almost a religion in some circles about having 'gentle' bees. I say instead vicious bees for vicious times. >here has been a bit in the media lately about the >unregulated human fertility industry >and how that is being driven by capital gain with some rather unethical >outcomes and some serious consequences, Yes..I was just reading in the most recent issue of the "Harper's Index" how the amount of births of twins in the U.S.A. had increased by 67 percent since 1980 and that of triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets, and sextuplets had increased by 448 percent. And isn't this nice to know in a world that's already 6 billion and growing. Talk about your Lemmings eating themselves out of a home; at least Lemmings have the good sense to go and drown themselves at that point. (you notice how one never hears about Lemmings anymore.) >There is presently, in NZ, some legal action being taken against a citrus >orchardist who sprayed his orchard while pollination hives were present. That's good to hear. Now if someone were to try that in the U.S. there would be all sorts of counter suits filed that sited certain state and trade treaty laws (NAFTA comes to mind) about preventing business from making a "lively hood" (WTO style of lawsuit) Here in Texas we have a thing called "the food disparagement law." You probably didn't hear of a recent test of that law a while back, where a famous television talk show personality had on her show a scientist talking about "prions" or the agent in the human variant of mad cow disease, and the woman happened to mention during the interview, that she wasn't going to eat beef anymore. A 'consortium' of local cattle feeders in Amarillo, sued her under the Texas food disparagement law. It was high drama for a few weeks, but in the end the local judge sided with the defense, and threw the case out on grounds of being 'unconstitutional' (regarding the Texas constitution, not the U.S.) During the trial the famous personage brought her daily television show to town, and really livened things up. Of course she had more money than some African countries, and so with only the fear of perhaps losing her life, there was little chance she would lose her case. >Some of the best gifts arrive when least expected >and isn't nature wonderful at providing such >:) I hope nature does something pretty soon about this virus-like plague of humans wrecking a perfectly beautiful planet. C.K. Article 31191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Date: 26 Feb 2002 16:19:08 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 32 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0202261619.5682b414@posting.google.com> References: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1014769149 14934 127.0.0.1 (27 Feb 2002 00:19:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2002 00:19:09 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31191 Yes, it would be great if everyone could get along with bees close by, but many people can't (or maybe I should say they won't). Also, left untreated in the wall, they'll most likely succumb to the mites eventually. One thing you definitely don't want in your wall is a dead colony. It'll smell, attract other bugs, and leak. Even if it's up high, it's often best to get it out. (Also, I've been around here long enough to know that John is well seasoned and would not be doing this just for the experience.) Once when I was doing this, in order to find the edges of the comb, I used a dental mirror and flashlight. I would drill a one inch hole out past where I thought the comb would be and stick the mirror into the wall cavity. I would shine the light on the mirror and look at it and try to determine how far I was from the comb edge. These test holes were easily patched. Of course this was in somebody's workshop and not in their living quarters. Nuc hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) wrote in message news:... > Howdy John -- > > The neatest and most practical solution to what you describe is to > leave them alone. Just teach the folks to leave the bees along, but > call you when they see a swarm hanging on a limb etc. > > Every beginner nees to remove bees from a wall a few times for the > experience, but it's best to do it on a more desirable colony. > i.e. at a lower level with a known location (not between floors). > > Pete > ********************************************************* Article 31192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: zach huang Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beekeeper and grower dabatase Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:40:43 -0500 Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3C7C2B0A.C4F24FD1@msu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.109.162.165 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msunews!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31192 To link beekeepers and growers better so that pollination services can be sought and found more easily, I have started a "beebase" at http://beebase.cyberbee.net. check it out. Zachary Huang http://bees.msu.edu Article 31193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Feb 2002 01:35:09 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bees collecting pollen today - Massachusetts Message-ID: <20020226203509.26694.00000802@mb-fm.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31193 Yellow to yellow orange pollen coming in in Southeast CT USA today. A bee in every crocus too. Tough little buggers considering the wind. So far 27 hives inspected, most fed and reversed all alive 4 look kinda small. Article 31194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Feb 2002 01:37:36 GMT References: <9936fa52.0202261619.5682b414@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Message-ID: <20020226203736.26694.00000803@mb-fm.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.stealth.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!news-east.rr.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31194 I was thinking of drilling holes with a 1/8" drill bit until it came out sticky. 1/8 holes will fill easily with caulk or putty. Article 31195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Feb 2002 01:39:18 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Where to Order Bees? Message-ID: <20020226203918.26694.00000805@mb-fm.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31195 York Bee co in Jessup GA ain't bad Wilbanks ain't bad either. Article 31196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese honey alert Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:10:27 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1014775884.121323@savina> References: <1014474581.969203@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!paradoxa.ogoense.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31196 freely adapted from a previously posted explanation elsewhere on the list, with thanks to Chuck Coger: This is common. When u click the link remember to look below to see if it was wrapped. In this case is was. So click the link and let your web browser come up, then go back to the post and copy the bottom portion of the link at the end of the URL in your webbrowser. In this case click the link, then copy "1641210&method=full&siteid=50003" to the end of the URL in your browser. After that hit enter and it should work. "Teri Bachus" wrote in message news:1014474581.969203@savina... > "Tests carried out by the Food Standards Agency on Chinese and blended honey > on sale in the UK have revealed the presence of a chloramphenicol, an > antibiotic..." > see this link for details (watch the wrap): > http://iccoventry.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/page.cfm?objectid=1 > 1641210&method=full&siteid=50003 > > Article 31197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Message-ID: References: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:46:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.105.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1014778002 4.33.105.1 (Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:46:42 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:46:42 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:46:38 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!novia!novia!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31197 hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) wrote: >Howdy John -- > > The neatest and most practical solution to what you describe is to >leave them alone. Just teach the folks to leave the bees along, but >call you when they see a swarm hanging on a limb etc. > > Every beginner nees to remove bees from a wall a few times for the >experience, but it's best to do it on a more desirable colony. >i.e. at a lower level with a known location (not between floors). > > Pete >********************************************************* Pete, these bees are in an area with africanized bees, at a public institution. I've done my share of removals over the years, too, but this one is just plain hard to find! John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Message-ID: References: <9936fa52.0202261619.5682b414@posting.google.com> <20020226203736.26694.00000803@mb-fm.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 02:48:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.105.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1014778127 4.33.105.1 (Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:48:47 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:48:47 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:48:43 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31198 beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >I was thinking of drilling holes with a 1/8" drill bit until it came out >sticky. >1/8 holes will fill easily with caulk or putty. Good idea. I wonder if there is some kind of cheap surgical-type lighted scope that I could insert into the wall or colony entrance to look around. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Feb 2002 03:06:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Mold on frames.... Message-ID: <20020226220650.07151.00000805@mb-mc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!feed1.newsreader.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31199 One frame yeah I would replace it but, it was the whole 10 frame along with super. Also, I scrape and wire brush it and still leave stain in wood. I thought might as will use it for feed's super? I just hope they don't drag any mold up to fresh honey super if it build back up. Also, if possible put it in tub of hot water with bleach??? Tim Article 31200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Feb 2002 03:10:18 GMT References: <20020226203509.26694.00000802@mb-fm.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bees collecting pollen today - Massachusetts Message-ID: <20020226221018.07151.00000808@mb-mc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31200 My bring in Yellow pollen in Va. last week and so far are doing good, strong. Need some rain here. Article 31201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chinese honey alert Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:25:22 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1014780378.563681@savina> References: <1014474581.969203@savina> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!paradoxa.ogoense.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31201 still more info at: "Chinese honey taken off stores' shelves" http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/lancashire/bolton/news/NEWS18.html Article 31202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C7C5DC0.81DF3180@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall References: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:17:04 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.138 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1014783568 204.2.54.138 (Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:19:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 04:19:28 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!news.harvard.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31202 If that is the case, call the pros, they have a free swarm removal service in such areas and the endoscopes for finding them. JJ John Caldeira wrote: > > h > Pete, these bees are in an area with africanized bees, at a public > institution. I've done my share of removals over the years, too, but > this one is just plain hard to find! > > John > > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas, USA > http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Bees :( Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:20:16 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3C7C7AA0.1A35701B@bryder.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 27 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!falcon.america.net!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31203 Hello all, Can anyone out there shed some light on what happen with my hive? I've been keeping bees for about 3 years and have 3, now 2, hives., I'm new so I'm still learning a lot. I went out a few days ago to check on one of the hives and found that they were all dead. I know that I saw a few bees going in and out about a month ago but did not see much activity lately. At the time I did not want to open it up because the weather was bad. When I did open it up I found a lot of honey but no bees. There were a few dead bees but not many in the hives or out the front door. Also, there was very few dead brood. There was no sign of robbing yet and no queen cells, so there were not trying to make a new queen. Does anyone have any ideas about what happened? I'm trying to decide what to do now. Are these supers safe to be used for other bees? I've ordered another package of bees but that will not bee here until April 6th. I see these as my options. I could put the supers from this hive on one of the surviving ones or put the whole thing in the freezer and use all the drawn out frames for the new package of bees. Any advice would be great. - Dave Article 31204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees :( Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 08:09:23 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <3C7C7AA0.1A35701B@bryder.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1014815365 7939828 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31204 My first thought is tracheal mites. The bees you saw flying in and out could of been robbers earlier on. If the bees starved due to lack of food or being so cold for an extended time that they could not move then you would see a lot of bees with there butts sticking out of the comb. -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "dave" wrote in message news:3C7C7AA0.1A35701B@bryder.net... > Hello all, > Can anyone out there shed some light on what happen with my hive? > > I've been keeping bees for about 3 years and have 3, now 2, hives., I'm > new so I'm still learning a lot. I went out a few days ago to check on > one of the hives and found that they were all dead. I know that I saw a > few bees going in and out about a month ago but did not see much > activity lately. At the time I did not want to open it up because the > weather was bad. When I did open it up I found a lot of honey but no > bees. There were a few dead bees but not many in the hives or out the > front door. Also, there was very few dead brood. There was no sign of > robbing yet and no queen cells, so there were not trying to make a new > queen. > > Does anyone have any ideas about what happened? I'm trying to decide > what to do now. Are these supers safe to be used for other bees? I've > ordered another package of bees but that will not bee here until April > 6th. I see these as my options. I could put the supers from this hive on > one of the surviving ones or put the whole thing in the freezer and use > all the drawn out frames for the new package of bees. > > Any advice would be great. > > - Dave > > > Article 31205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Message-ID: References: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> <3C7C5DC0.81DF3180@dcnet2000.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 13:13:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.105.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1014815586 4.33.105.1 (Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:13:06 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:13:06 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 05:13:03 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31205 Free swarm removal in Dallas County, Texas ???? Never heard of that! Please tell me more. John Jeremy Goodwin wrote: >If that is the case, call the pros, they have a free >swarm removal service in such areas and the endoscopes >for finding them. >JJ > >John Caldeira wrote: >> >> Pete, these bees are in an area with africanized bees, at a public >> institution. I've done my share of removals over the years, too, but >> this one is just plain hard to find! >> >> John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 31206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: billshsfrm@aol.com (BillsHsFrm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Feb 2002 14:12:24 GMT References: <3C7C7AA0.1A35701B@bryder.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Dead Bees :( Message-ID: <20020227091224.16923.00001007@mb-dd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31206 Had the same problemDave .Lost one out of four, beleive it was mites even thou I treated them. Here in Mich its been an unusal winter , warmer than normal, The hive I lost still had honey inside. Bill Article 31207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees :( Date: 27 Feb 2002 07:19:05 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3C7C7AA0.1A35701B@bryder.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.195.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1014823145 3809 127.0.0.1 (27 Feb 2002 15:19:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2002 15:19:05 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31207 Dave: Around here a lot of beekeepers have had losses because the bees did not cluster and froze out. Think this is due to the warm winter we have been experiencing. Finding dead bees with their heads stuck in the comb and plenty of honey. Could your bees have been weak due to mites, etc.? going into the winter? A lot of time they can also starve just because the food is out of reach in cold weather and they can't move far from the cluster. Don't know much what you can do about that. dave wrote in message news:<3C7C7AA0.1A35701B@bryder.net>... > Hello all, > Can anyone out there shed some light on what happen with my hive? > > I've been keeping bees for about 3 years and have 3, now 2, hives., I'm > new so I'm still learning a lot. I went out a few days ago to check on > one of the hives and found that they were all dead. I know that I saw a > few bees going in and out about a month ago but did not see much > activity lately. At the time I did not want to open it up because the > weather was bad. When I did open it up I found a lot of honey but no > bees. There were a few dead bees but not many in the hives or out the > front door. Also, there was very few dead brood. There was no sign of > robbing yet and no queen cells, so there were not trying to make a new > queen. > > Does anyone have any ideas about what happened? I'm trying to decide > what to do now. Are these supers safe to be used for other bees? I've > ordered another package of bees but that will not bee here until April > 6th. I see these as my options. I could put the supers from this hive on > one of the surviving ones or put the whole thing in the freezer and use > all the drawn out frames for the new package of bees. > > Any advice would be great. > > - Dave Article 31208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees :( Message-ID: <8e0q7u8v2cbte5273t8pg9ermc5p1uirf8@4ax.com> References: <3C7C7AA0.1A35701B@bryder.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 10:58:01 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:58:21 -0600 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!fs01-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!48d5b156!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31208 Have you checked them for tracheal mites? You could take about 30-40 dead bees to the state inspector and ask to have it checked. George Imirie's last column implies this is happening more often than we realize. Dave On 27 Feb 2002 07:19:05 -0800, leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) wrote: >Dave: Around here a lot of beekeepers have had losses because the bees >did not cluster and froze out. Think this is due to the warm winter >we have been experiencing. Finding dead bees with their heads stuck >in the comb and plenty of honey. Could your bees have been weak due >to mites, etc.? going into the winter? A lot of time they can also >starve just because the food is out of reach in cold weather and they >can't move far from the cluster. Don't know much what you can do >about that. > >dave wrote in message news:<3C7C7AA0.1A35701B@bryder.net>... >> Hello all, >> Can anyone out there shed some light on what happen with my hive? >> >> I've been keeping bees for about 3 years and have 3, now 2, hives., I'm >> new so I'm still learning a lot. I went out a few days ago to check on >> one of the hives and found that they were all dead. I know that I saw a >> few bees going in and out about a month ago but did not see much >> activity lately. At the time I did not want to open it up because the >> weather was bad. When I did open it up I found a lot of honey but no >> bees. There were a few dead bees but not many in the hives or out the >> front door. Also, there was very few dead brood. There was no sign of >> robbing yet and no queen cells, so there were not trying to make a new >> queen. >> >> Does anyone have any ideas about what happened? I'm trying to decide >> what to do now. Are these supers safe to be used for other bees? I've >> ordered another package of bees but that will not bee here until April >> 6th. I see these as my options. I could put the supers from this hive on >> one of the surviving ones or put the whole thing in the freezer and use >> all the drawn out frames for the new package of bees. >> >> Any advice would be great. >> >> - Dave Article 31209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C7D1301.D09F1EA8@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall References: <524g7u0nmggoop472bq0imie2srd9akrmm@4ax.com> <3C7C5DC0.81DF3180@dcnet2000.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 11:10:25 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1014829969 204.2.54.115 (Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:12:49 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31209 Call the ag extension people, if you are in a quarantine or border a quarantine area, and they identify the bees as AHB, they replace the queen with a european. Due to fears of the normal person, some counties have decided to institute a no fee or low fee removal, depending on the volume of the scream of outrage. Worth a try, but you should contact county ag, and the state ag anyway, and collect 40 bees for ID. JJ Article 31210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees collecting pollen today - Massachusetts Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:05:22 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20020226203509.26694.00000802@mb-fm.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.46.29 X-Server-Date: 27 Feb 2002 20:57:29 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!hub1.nntpserver.com!beamish.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!user-2ivehh9.dialup.mindspring.com!user Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31210 In article <20020226203509.26694.00000802@mb-fm.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > Yellow to yellow orange pollen coming in in Southeast CT USA today. A bee in > every crocus too. > Tough little buggers considering the wind. > So far 27 hives inspected, most fed and reversed all alive 4 look kinda small. Is it not a bit early in the year to reverse boxes? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Feb 2002 21:18:36 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bees collecting pollen today - Massachusetts Message-ID: <20020227161836.20691.00000846@mb-mj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31211 >Is it not a bit early in the year to reverse boxes? If the bottom box is empty it get's removed or goes on top. I have begun stimulative feeding allready, there is not much frost left in the ground and 2 brood cyles from now put us in April. It's time just dont divide the brood. Article 31212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Feb 2002 21:21:22 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Finding bees in a wall Message-ID: <20020227162122.20691.00000848@mb-mj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31212 It's called an endoscope but as soon as you say the word surgical the word cheap becomes irrelevant. Article 31213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Almond trees in full bloom. Date: 27 Feb 2002 14:13:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <993fd181.0202271413.c7f2649@posting.google.com> References: <3c579442$1@news.airtel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.164 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1014848028 16414 127.0.0.1 (27 Feb 2002 22:13:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2002 22:13:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31213 "Airtel" wrote in message news:<3c579442$1@news.airtel.net>... > The season just started, the almond tree are in full bloom, > they are carrying plenty of pollen, there is plenty of activity. > (I suppose that you guy in southern California have the same > conditions). > > From Mallorca, Spain > > > Jose Matas. Hey Jose, NOW the almonds are in full bloom in California.Beautiful warm weather (76 degrees F. today)and the bees are getting excited.Check it out at: Mike Article 31214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees collecting pollen today - Massachusetts Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:34:03 -0700 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20020227161836.20691.00000846@mb-mj.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.41.81 X-Server-Date: 27 Feb 2002 23:29:18 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!guinness.news.atl.earthlink.net!murphys.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!user-2ivegc1.dialup.mindspring.com!user Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31214 In article <20020227161836.20691.00000846@mb-mj.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > >Is it not a bit early in the year to reverse boxes? > > If the bottom box is empty it get's removed or goes on top. > I have begun stimulative feeding allready, there is not much frost left in the > ground and 2 brood cyles from now put us in April. > It's time just dont divide the brood. So, just to make sure I'm straight... Check the bottom box for brood, if there's none there, remove that box or move it up to the top, yes? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 31215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Feb 2002 03:17:35 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bees collecting pollen today - Massachusetts Message-ID: <20020227221735.20542.00000793@mb-fz.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31215 >Check the bottom box for brood, if there's none there, remove that box or >move it up to the top, yes? Ayep. Bees want to work upwards and empty comb above provides the space. Hives that appeared weak had the bottom box removed entirely. As they come around I'll return it. It makes a good marker for knowing which hives were not strong and gives me a chance to inspect the combs. Article 31216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: eric@rain.org (Eric Peterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southern Calif. Bees? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:52:03 -0800 Organization: RAIN (Regional Alliance for Information Networking) Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: maxmp-253.rain.org X-Trace: news.rain.org 1014871959 18807 198.68.144.253 (28 Feb 2002 04:52:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.rain.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:52:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news.rain.org!ng message.eric Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31216 Anyone know of a good place for a beginner to get bees in Southern California? I've heard of problems sending bees via the mail (I believe due to the bees being required to be quaranteened), so I thought I may go and pick them up, if there's something in the area... Thanks in advance. Eric -- Eric Peterson eric@rain.org Camarillo, CA Article 31217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Bees :( Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:00:00 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3C7DC760.ADA2E20C@bryder.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3C7C7AA0.1A35701B@bryder.net> <8e0q7u8v2cbte5273t8pg9ermc5p1uirf8@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 56 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hub1.nntpserver.com!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31217 Thanks for all the feeback. It could have been mites. I think I will get a bunch of dead bees and have them checked out. If it was mites, are the frames safe to use with my other hives? I'm assuming that the mites die when the bees die. - Dave Dave Hamilton wrote: > Have you checked them for tracheal mites? You could take about 30-40 > dead bees to the state inspector and ask to have it checked. George > Imirie's last column implies this is happening more often than we > realize. Dave > > On 27 Feb 2002 07:19:05 -0800, leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) > wrote: > > >Dave: Around here a lot of beekeepers have had losses because the bees > >did not cluster and froze out. Think this is due to the warm winter > >we have been experiencing. Finding dead bees with their heads stuck > >in the comb and plenty of honey. Could your bees have been weak due > >to mites, etc.? going into the winter? A lot of time they can also > >starve just because the food is out of reach in cold weather and they > >can't move far from the cluster. Don't know much what you can do > >about that. > > > >dave wrote in message news:<3C7C7AA0.1A35701B@bryder.net>... > >> Hello all, > >> Can anyone out there shed some light on what happen with my hive? > >> > >> I've been keeping bees for about 3 years and have 3, now 2, hives., I'm > >> new so I'm still learning a lot. I went out a few days ago to check on > >> one of the hives and found that they were all dead. I know that I saw a > >> few bees going in and out about a month ago but did not see much > >> activity lately. At the time I did not want to open it up because the > >> weather was bad. When I did open it up I found a lot of honey but no > >> bees. There were a few dead bees but not many in the hives or out the > >> front door. Also, there was very few dead brood. There was no sign of > >> robbing yet and no queen cells, so there were not trying to make a new > >> queen. > >> > >> Does anyone have any ideas about what happened? I'm trying to decide > >> what to do now. Are these supers safe to be used for other bees? I've > >> ordered another package of bees but that will not bee here until April > >> 6th. I see these as my options. I could put the supers from this hive on > >> one of the surviving ones or put the whole thing in the freezer and use > >> all the drawn out frames for the new package of bees. > >> > >> Any advice would be great. > >> > >> - Dave Article 31218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Airtel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3c579442$1@news.airtel.net> <993fd181.0202271413.c7f2649@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Almond trees in full bloom. Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 07:11:48 +0100 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.223 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.223 Message-ID: <3c7dca34@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1014876724 212.73.49.223 (28 Feb 2002 07:12:04 +0100) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31218 Almonds. Here only the "red" flower variety, and late varierties are left with fllowers, on the other hand the plums and apricots are comings. This year was excellent The "Clematis flammula, var. vulgaris" just finished the blooming. Is the pre-season for the almonds. The "Raphanus raphanistrum" is doing very well. Some "Oxalis" are in the fields, but do not make a diference. And "Rosmarinus" are in full bloom. On the other hand some Acacia dealbata(s) are loosing the yellow flowers, but the bees do not touch them, they just pass. Best wishes "Mike" escribió en el mensaje news:993fd181.0202271413.c7f2649@posting.google.com... > "Airtel" wrote in message news:<3c579442$1@news.airtel.net>... > > The season just started, the almond tree are in full bloom, > > they are carrying plenty of pollen, there is plenty of activity. > > (I suppose that you guy in southern California have the same > > conditions). > > > > From Mallorca, Spain > > > > > > Jose Matas. > > Hey Jose, > NOW the almonds are in full bloom in California.Beautiful warm weather (76 > degrees F. today)and the bees are getting excited.Check it out at: > > Mike Article 31219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:51:12 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 313 Message-ID: References: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1014894310 27805 203.96.192.134 (28 Feb 2002 11:05:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2002 11:05:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31219 Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:b23o7ugie6tg4u29b1fgdef9iiqi7sp80i@4ax.com... > Carmen Said: > > >oh good, then you must know a bit about NZ > > I guess I do..I worked with lots of interesting people in West > Africa in the late 60's and 70's..and a good share of them were > kiwis. :) Late 60's I was only 10 >Also aussies, white south africans (afrikaaners) white > tanzanians, and rhodesians during the UDI period. There were ex > British forces, and a former australians SAS man who had been in > Viet Nam and was from Alice Springs; said he didn't like europe > because it was too crowded. Yeah West Australia is huge and expansive, with only small pockets of population. I think I wouldn't like Europe either, but then I'm only guessing. :) >We had a couple of former mercenaries > who had been in the Congo with (mad) Mike Hoare. I'm talking about > men here Carmen, major levels of testosterone. Hm too much testerone, hard to handle I think women these days generally find that somewhat un-attractive. Manly, yet sensitive is much better. :) I think Beekeepers are usually quite sensitive people, well the ones I know are anyway, if somewhat a little (mad) perhaps :-D > A most interesting time to be sure. This all happened because of > the 'Biafran War,' a so called 'civil' war in Nigeria, which was > really about oil, as you might expect. Mobil Oil who was exploring > in the Niger Delta when the war started, moved off shore and lost > their local helpers; the only thing for it was to clean out the > streets of Earl's Court, and to include a few patrons of the Zambezi > Club. These guys were the finest bunch of pirates and desperados > that ever crewed a drilling rig, and many good stories came with > them. How interesting, don't really know much about all that Zambezi stuff but I have heard and read a fair bit about Mobil and their ...err.... exploits >There was one called "fingers' (because he was missing one) > from east London British people are unusual folk, very different from us kiwis. They relate much different. >with "fuck you" tabooed across his >forehead. foolish move ! I presume you mean tattooed, either way, whether tattooed or tabooed, still foolish. :) > When the All blacks came to Britain on a tour their Maori 'war' > chant by way of a threat, could not but impress the hardest of men. "war chant" :-D well that is one way of looking at it I guess. But yes the Haka is mighty impressive /awesome alright ! when performed and expressed correctly, within context and in appropriate spirit > Back then no one beat the All blacks. I think, at that stage, the All Blacks comprised our nations' finest and The All black's were THE team to aspire to. These days there are a few teams to aspire to so our finest players are dispersed across various teams, some of our key players also head off overseas to coach and whatever. Professionalism tends to alter the level of the playing field. The boys are more caught up in things economic, rather than the heart and spirit of the sport, but also I think it true to say that the game is much more high pressure these days and so the players burn out and sustain more injuries. > > over here people generally think of India when they hear the term > >'indian' mainly because we have quite a few people from India living here > > We have 'Indians' too which are now "native Americans" and the > indians you mention should correctly call themselves "sub continent > Indians" being from 'India,' the country. I personally care nothing > for this global homogenization of the cultures. Americans get blamed > all the time for 'wrecking' other people's cultures; the French are > forever whining about this, but what 'they' don't understand is that > Americans have had all our unique local cultures wrecked too and the > real villains are certain corporations, and not always American, > that spread this plague of mediocrity across the planet like a pool > of blood. ahh yes but corporations are made up of people aren't they. I know that corporations tend to assimilate their employees into the 'corporate code of conduct', however if there is enough ammendment to consciousness, then perhaps the corporate advance on global resource can be slowed and in saying 'global resource' I mean in all forms and contexts, including the idea of "people as resource". The way of survival for the 'unique local cultures' is for the people to realise the value of those unique cultures, grasp them tightly and do whatever it takes to keep the cultures thriving. > >oh darn, I was hoping for some confirmation > >:) > > Well I have my views on that; but, as Capt. Janeway would say, "our > personal opinions are irrelevant." Who's Capt Janeway? personal opinions irrelevant ? well they are certainly relevent to those individuals connected to the opinions :) Opinions, even thoughts and ideas are a funny thing, sometimes they seem to take on a life of their own. That's when amazing Syncronicity's seem to manifest. > >wow ! > >I too have a couple of hives that are extremely aggressive, have never seen > >anything like them in terms of attacking and then they follow when we leave > >the hive > > hummm..even mine are not this aggressive. The only time I've seen > hives so aggressive is when something is 'wrong.' I had a couple of > aggressive hives once and found them to have foul brood. No, not foulbrood in our case. Our agricultural governing body, MAF do spot checks now and then, where they randomly select various beekeeper's sites and test them for AFB, we were randomly selected late last year and were clear. > Your post about empty combs would have some merit too. I think that could be it, last time I checked those hives, they had vacated the bottom box completely and moved up into the top 3 boxes. The bottom box was pretty empty except for mainly pollen foodstores, although it is odd they left pollen down there. > Bees get very > short tempered when things are not right. Robbing, starvation, > disease..humans wouldn't like it either. In our case it's not robbing either, we usually leave heaps of honey on the hives, so much in fact that we don't usually need to feed sugar water thru the winter. We take only minimal for our immediate requirements and leave the bees with the rest, so they are always well fed. > >Most likelty because we have never requeened them in all the time we've had > >them. Most beekeepers here requeen from professional beekeepers and > >generally those queens are selected for their passive strains. > > So I hear, but still you would think that the bees knew what was > best for them. Around here aggression means survival. If I had a > bunch of Carniolans on the edge of this canyon, they would just be > something's lunch all the time. we don't have carniolans here > Cows are a problem too, as they like > to push against things. With this bunch of bees now that only > happens once. we don't have cows, but cows are certainly lovely creatures. > >Ours all produce rather well and it was recently commented to me that the > >more aggressive bees do tend to be more efficient producers. > > The bees I have that I consider a variation on African bees, are > also very good producers, the problem is getting them to >stay put. kinda like people eh > >The way I see it, by not requeening from the selection on offer by the > >popular queen breeders, this is in fact increasing the potentials of the > >gene pools, rather than minimising the genepool by purchasing queens from > >the popular queen suppliers. > > I would tend to agree. If you have bees that are hearty and > producing well, I wouldn't fret about their disposition, that's what > a good bee suit is for. There is almost a religion in some circles > about having 'gentle' bees. I say instead vicious bees for vicious > times. These are certainly vicious times alright, along with varoa, various chemicals polluting their environment we have also had massive push back in terms of flora that is available to bees and beekeepers, mainly because of the persistent push of the farming sector, clearing land for agricultural grazing. Not to mention the roadways, where councils insist on constantly mowing and spraying to keep all the roadways and carriageways nice, neat and tidy looking, which effectively removes a lot of valuable bee forage, wild flowers, clovers and herbs. > >here has been a bit in the media lately about the > >unregulated human fertility industry > >and how that is being driven by capital gain with some rather unethical > >outcomes and some serious consequences, > > Yes..I was just reading in the most recent issue of the "Harper's > Index" how the amount of births of twins in the U.S.A. had increased > by 67 percent since 1980 and that of triplets, quadruplets, > quintuplets, and sextuplets had increased by 448 percent. And isn't > this nice to know in a world that's already 6 billion and >growing. Yes 'triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets' were mentioned in what I have seen of the articles on the unregulated fertility industry, the technitions put back quite a few fertilised eggs in the women who seek that type of treatment, in the event that a high % of the eggs will not take successfully, trouble is that a lot of them are successful and is causing all manner of problems for parents who only hoped for one child as well as increased complication for those multiple births and the babies. > Talk about your Lemmings eating themselves out of a home; at least > Lemmings have the good sense to go and drown themselves at that > point. (you notice how one never hears about Lemmings anymore.) LOL that leaming thing was a fable wasn't it? I saw something where that the producer of a tv show back in the 60's orchestrated that whole leaming-stampede thing, the producers of a nature show drove the leamings to look like they were committing a mass hari kari. When apparently that is not regular leaming behaviour at all, it was just orchestrated to look that way. Anyway I heard yesterday, at a waste management strategy meeting, that California is putting in place a pretty impressive waste management strategy, which includes zero waste policy. > >There is presently, in NZ, some legal action being taken against a citrus > >orchardist who sprayed his orchard while pollination hives were present. > > That's good to hear. Now if someone were to try that in the U.S. > there would be all sorts of counter suits filed that sited certain > state and trade treaty laws (NAFTA comes to mind) about preventing > business from making a "lively hood" (WTO style of lawsuit) > > Here in Texas we have a thing called "the food disparagement law." > You probably didn't hear of a recent test of that law a while back, > where a famous television talk show personality had on her show a > scientist talking about "prions" or the agent in the human variant > of mad cow disease, and the woman happened to mention during the > interview, that she wasn't going to eat beef anymore. A > 'consortium' of local cattle feeders in Amarillo, sued her under the > Texas food disparagement law. > > It was high drama for a few weeks, but in the end the local judge > sided with the defense, and threw the case out on grounds of being > 'unconstitutional' (regarding the Texas constitution, not the U.S.) I recall I heard something about that, that was Oprah ? > During the trial the famous personage brought her daily television > show to town, and really livened things up. Of course she had more > money than some African countries, and so with only the fear of > perhaps losing her life, there was little chance she would lose her > case. > > >Some of the best gifts arrive when least expected > >and isn't nature wonderful at providing such > >:) > > I hope nature does something pretty soon about this virus-like > plague of humans wrecking a perfectly beautiful planet. Well cheer up charlie, the waste management strategy meeting looked quite hopeful, the only concern being that a lot of those management strategies actully have no teeth, so if local Govt doesn't conform then there is technically nothing that can be done to enforce the code of ethics. However, we are fortunate here, that pressure from consitituents, that is people in the local government regions, can still have some influence, but it is a matter of encouraging the constituents in local regions to participate in local Government decision making, not an easy task when apathy prevails, however on a brighter note a lot more people are becoming aware that resources are finite and they need to make lifestyle amendments to accomodate the planet. :) Here's a piece of syncronicity for you, at that waste management strat meeting one of the speakers said a phrase which I have seen used elsewhere, including internet newsgroups, he said watse management needs to be thought of in "circular' terms, rather than 'linear' terms. Now with that kind of language, idea and thought circulating the globe, as it seems to be, then it is increasingly apparent that opinions, even thoughts and ideas sometimes seem to take on a life of their own. That's when amazing Syncronicity's seem to manifest :) Carmen > C.K. > > > Article 31220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 04:49:41 -0700 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <495s5uo32mslidmuhdki6tvhs7up4rd3f9@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1014897083 8439643 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31220 "Carmen" wrote in message news:a5l2t6$r4t$1@news.wave.co.nz... > Charlie Kroeger wrote in message Hate to tell you this, you two, but your personal love letters are being posted to sci.agriculture.beekeeping. Article 31221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Southern Calif. Bees? Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 07:50:40 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1014900641 8537452 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31221 Check out Beesource.com they have a good listing of bee suppliers... funny you should ask about bees in California as that state has probably more bees than any other... -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Eric Peterson" wrote in message news:eric-2702022052350001@192.168.0.32... > > Anyone know of a good place for a beginner to get bees in Southern > California? I've heard of problems sending bees via the mail (I believe > due to the bees being required to be quaranteened), so I thought I may go > and pick them up, if there's something in the area... > > Thanks in advance. > > Eric > > > -- > Eric Peterson > eric@rain.org > Camarillo, CA Article 31222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeHans" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stehr plastic or polystyrene beehives Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Inktomi-Trace: arninkcluster 1014910266 8963 213.93.124.13 (28 Feb 2002 15:31:06 GMT) Message-ID: <_2sf8.118337$bh3.2969813@Flipper> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 15:31:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.187.37.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@chello.nl X-Trace: Flipper 1014910266 212.187.37.7 (Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:31:06 MET) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 16:31:06 MET Organization: Chello Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!amsnews01.chello.com!Flipper.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31222 Hello to you all, I would like to visit a web site (German, English or Dutch) with information about polystyrene beehives. There is a german manufacturer of these hives, I think the name is Stehr. I cannot find any website with any info. Who can help me? Thanks in advance. Hans