Article 30838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP - cannot get messages Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:44:27 +0000 Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-20.orange-tail-butterfly.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1009924853 13401 62.137.43.148 (1 Jan 2002 22:40:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jan 2002 22:40:53 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30838 If this appears on the group perhaps somebody could let me know? I am unable to download any new messages from sci-agriculture.beekeeping Last messages I downloaded were dated 25h November? Thanks Article 30839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need suggession Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 22:33:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3c3238a9.642680730@news1.radix.net> References: <5542a326.0112290228.15142ec@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30839 On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:00:34 -0800, "Bill Wallace" wrote: >Ok lets see >1. hive location dry or wet" wet bad" >2. top entrance to help vent moisture >3. food good honey,dry sugar Poor oor bad food will cause diarhhia have >you been feeding sugar syurp too much water will cause problems >4. Nosema. treat with Fumidil-B "but lab test are negative" If the samples were sent to the USDA bee lab then only foulbrood was looked for. When their report says "no disease found" it really means "no foulbrood found." beekeep Article 30840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Sniper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Farm Alerts! 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Article 30841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Wallace" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need suggession Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 21:00:34 -0800 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <5542a326.0112290228.15142ec@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.214 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1009853853 329426 207.144.202.214 (1 Jan 2002 02:57:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:57:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!easynews!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30841 Ok lets see 1. hive location dry or wet" wet bad" 2. top entrance to help vent moisture 3. food good honey,dry sugar Poor oor bad food will cause diarhhia have you been feeding sugar syurp too much water will cause problems 4. Nosema. treat with Fumidil-B "but lab test are negative" 5. remove dead bees from bottom boards change out bottom boards or flip them so they can dry 6. have they been able fly cleansing flights are need let me know whats going on I help if I can farid wrote in message news:5542a326.0112290228.15142ec@posting.google.com... > I have 100 hives and my honeybees in this season(atumn) have diarhhia > i tested them by some laboratory tests but all of them are negative i > dont know what is my huves disease plz help me, color of diarrhia > liquids are yellow and many of honeybees die daily. thanks a lot. Article 30842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Ivan Hrg (Jr.)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Planting buckwheat for bees - advice please Date: 31 Dec 2001 06:27:00 GMT Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Lines: 12 Message-ID: Reply-To: ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Ivan Hrg (Jr.)) NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet10 X-Trace: freenet9.carleton.ca 1009780020 29151 134.117.136.30 (31 Dec 2001 06:27:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: complaints@ncf.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 2001 06:27:00 GMT X-Given-Sender: ac717@freenet10.carleton.ca (Ivan Hrg (Jr.)) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!cunews!freenet-news!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ac717 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30842 Hello, This spring i'd like to plant buckwheat for my bees, but i'm not sure what kind of ratio of hive to acre to go with. I would try to miss the major flows - maybe shoot for end of August for blooming. Anyone out there have some advice or experience with this? thanks, Ivan Hrg Lanark, Ont. Article 30843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Planting buckwheat for bees - advice please Lines: 53 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 13:32:36 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-RNETPLMv/lDECu4dX09A9nEw2N1n5xFsHwWhecZsywtEG8hCIYby7ENP22X1kEozrcyXJ6ZnKIBwsys!Y+kmEDfEjULJ8svELyeHi7TggxVJrNUovHRmpZOV7T+SWnpugzw+8UKWTFgxchO5E9hK34NbFmyF!Q80ZZZoVeuLfazVXYw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 19:32:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30843 "Ivan Hrg (Jr.)" wrote > This spring i'd like to plant buckwheat for my bees, but i'm not > sure what kind of ratio of hive to acre to go with. I would try to > miss the major flows - maybe shoot for end of August for blooming. > Anyone out there have some advice or experience with this? Yo Ivan: I can't help you with the amount of area to plant, I plant as much as I have land available and let it go at that. I only have a few hives and I usually don't get enough of a flow from the buckwheat for a very strong buckwheat honey, but it does add a very nice flavoring to the rest of the flow. A lot also depends of how dry it is during the bloom, I try to time my buckwheat planting to have bloom during a dearth in our normal flow. Problem is that there is a reason for the dearth in the regular flow, usually lack of moisture, which can also reduce the buckwheat flow. I'm not sure what your growing season is there but here I try to plant my buckwheat during the third week of June, since it takes about five weeks from planting to bloom in our area. Since I am not concerned about setting the seed that gets me blooms starting around the first week of August and lasting throughout the month, before our first killing frost hits during the first part of Sept. The months of July and Aug. is our normal drought period so I usually have to put at least some water to the grain to keep it going. We tread a fine line here, too little moisture and there won't be much of a flow, too much moisture and the stalks will collapse, although that won't necessarily affect the nectar flow. There is a good URL on buckwheat at http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/agdex/100/118_20-2.html Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 30844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Compaq" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Observation Hive. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:25:07 +0100 Organization: Wanadoo, l'internet avec France Telecom Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <344b9345.0112190429.3a74d526@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mix-lemans-213-4-240.abo.wanadoo.fr X-Trace: wanadoo.fr 1010003054 10741 80.9.87.240 (2 Jan 2002 20:24:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wanadoo.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2002 20:24:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!opentransit.net!wanadoo.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30844 Andrey, This happen once with observation hive having been robbed. I discovered my hive empty from honey, and by the time I try to fill a jar of honey to feed them I saw all the bees leaving the hive as a swarm. It was in the mid afternoon in early october at a period where there is normally no swarm. I believe this is the same case the queen being not fed anymore left the hive looking for a better place. In this case no matter the starving brood the colony try to save their life. Georges "Andrey" a écrit dans le message news: 344b9345.0112190429.3a74d526@posting.google.com... > I got this article in the Tara Beekeepers Association newslatter. May > be anyone here has an idea? > > More newsletter you can find here: > http://www.gabeekeeping.com/tara/default.asp > > I've been checking on the condition of my observation hive frequently. > To any beekeeper that has ever owned an observation hive they will > know the many hours of enjoyment they bring. Kids love to stare at the > inner workings of the hive. Find the queen and wonder about what they > are doing. > Yesterday (Sept 20) the hive had a good strong population; there was > some covered brood but a very little supply of Honey (a small amount > of nectar laid in the bottom of the cells). > When I came home from work today I didn't disturbed them by removing > the covers, I went straight to filling the feed bottle with some left > over Honey from the uncapping operations that took place last month. > Pouring a small amount of cool Honey is like watching the grass grow > but finally the bottle filled. I placed the cap will holes on the > bottle, quickly removed the cover over the feeder hole and inserted > the neck of the bottle into the hole. I breathed a sigh of relief that > the job was over and there wasn't any accidents. > I wondered if the bees were enjoying their meal so I removed the cover > and was surprised to find out why they had been so quiet. There wasn't > a single bee in the hive! Not even a dead bee, completely empty! The > capped broad was still there but that was it. > Why they absounded is a mystery. Was the population too large for the > small confines of the observation hive? Was there too little food to > stay? Why would they leave near the end of September? Only the bees > know the answer. > > Andrey. Article 30845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steven Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP - Newsgroup Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:43:58 +0000 Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-12.orange-shoulder-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1010014828 21571 62.137.42.140 (2 Jan 2002 23:40:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 2002 23:40:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30845 Many thanks to all that replied to my earlier message asking for confirmation of posting. That obviously worked. I have recently changed back to using Freeserve as the news server, and use Forte Agent to download the groups. It downloads two other groups no problem, but nothing on sci.agriculture.beekeeping As several have said it must be a problem with the ISP. I will chase them through. However, if I may share a little beekeeping upset. During the summer I installed a hive in the grounds of a local insurance company. They have a wildlife garden that is an ideal place for bees. The coloney built up to a good strength before going into winter and all looked well for next year. I have just been called up to look at them and found the hive attacked by vandals. They kicked it so hard they broke the side of the brood box. Very depressing. Too cold to open and try and repair, can only cover the best I can and try to sort out in warmer weather. Article 30846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting buckwheat for bees - advice please Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 00:33:37 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3c33a652.28529120@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p40.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30846 On 31 Dec 2001 06:27:00 GMT, ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Ivan Hrg (Jr.)) wrote: > >Hello, > > This spring i'd like to plant buckwheat for my bees, but i'm not >sure what kind of ratio of hive to acre to go with. I would try to >miss the major flows - maybe shoot for end of August for blooming. >Anyone out there have some advice or experience with this? > >thanks, > >Ivan Hrg >Lanark, Ont. Buckwheat makes them mean! The flowers turn off early and the bees return home madder than hell. Beekeep Article 30847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2002010222121175982@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:12:11 GMT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Phil Gurr X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.30 10003987 Subject: Re: Fondant References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> Lines: 20 X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 1010019049 21144 194.247.47.23 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30847 The message <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> from Billy Smart contains these words: > Group, > Most references I see when looking through the archives with regard to > the use of fondant for winter feeding involves beekeepers from the UK. > Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US > beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? As a UK beekeeper, I always make my fondant and have never seen it for sale here. Mail me if you want the recipe. Phil. Highlands of Scotland. Article 30848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: need suggession Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:18:20 -0600 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <5542a326.0112290228.15142ec@posting.google.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.75 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1009916297 22192026 216.167.138.75 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.75!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30848 >color of diarrhia >liquids are yellow and many of honeybees die daily. I've seen this when bees take in pollen that's been sprayed with some insecticide, usually in late summer. When the bees start using this pollen in the winter they show the signs you've mentioned. (read about Pencap N) On warmish days, bees can be seen on their backs on the ground in front of the hive, wiggling their legs. They cannot fly and eventually die. Sometimes you can save them by just feeding a solution of sugar syrup say: 3 pounds granulated white sugar + water to make a gallon of syrup, (USA) add 5ml. (teaspoon) of 2% thymol (crystals) solution. (in ethanol) This solution retards fermentation and makes it hard on any mites present, external or internal) The idea behind this method is so the bees can get to the syrup quickly and give themselves a cleansing 'feed' seems to be the thing. After that they don't use the poison pollen or bee bread, as it were, again. What you've described has happened to me twice in the past 10 years, but the bees have been saved both times. I don't have nosema by the way. C.K. "ubi mel ibi apes" Article 30849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP - Newsgroup Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:33:19 -0800 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.d9.31 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 3 Jan 2002 05:35:51 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30849 It would be nice to find out the vandals got their pants stung off for their efforts. I once had someone attempt to steal hives, and from the way they dropped them down the road they must have gotten a good stinging. Wish I had it on video. Article 30850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: allend@internode.net (allen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: 3 Jan 2002 06:03:47 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010066628 19187 127.0.0.1 (3 Jan 2002 14:03:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 2002 14:03:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30850 > Most references I see when looking through the archives with regard to > the use of fondant for winter feeding involves beekeepers from the UK. > Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US > beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? 97 posts with the word 'fondant': http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S2=bee-l&q=fondant&s=&f=&a=&b= allen http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 30851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: billshsfrm@aol.com (BillsHsFrm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Jan 2002 14:10:55 GMT References: <2002010222121175982@zetnet.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Fondant Message-ID: <20020103091055.00794.00002561@mb-cv.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30851 The Nov. issue of Bee Culture mag. has a recipe for making fondant candy. I just made about 10 lbs for my hive this spring. It will feed them without stimulating brood rearing. Thats the Nov 01 issue and its for feeding late winter Bill J Article 30852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Fondant X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3C3482F5.3B141E78@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:12:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!washdc3-snf1!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsrouter.icnc.com!uunet!sac.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30852 I apologize - I need to be more specific. Baker's fondant. I would like some ideas of places I can go to buy baker's fondant already made. Lots of posts in the archives about using fondant and recipies running out my ears about making fondant - but nothing about where you can BUY ready made baker's fondant in the states. Is there anyone in the US that buys baker's fondant? Please help this lazy beekeeper. Thanks to all who have replied. Billy Smart Rock, KS allen wrote: > > > Most references I see when looking through the archives with regard to > > the use of fondant for winter feeding involves beekeepers from the UK. > > Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US > > beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? > > 97 posts with the word 'fondant': > > http://listserv.albany.edu:8080/cgi-bin/wa?S2=bee-l&q=fondant&s=&f=&a=&b= > > allen > http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ Article 30853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:06:35 -0000 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> <2002010222121175982@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-30.colorado.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1010092108 1654 62.137.57.30 (3 Jan 2002 21:08:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 2002 21:08:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30853 > As a UK beekeeper, I always make my fondant and have never seen it > for sale here. > Mail me if you want the recipe. > > Phil. > Highlands of Scotland. >----------------------------- Phil Did you mean fondant, or are you referring to candy - there is a considerable difference. Fondant can be obtained in the UK from a number of companies, but the cheapest that I have found is BFP (British Fermentation Products); they also provide an excellent weekly delivery service to bakers and caterers. I get free delivery if I order 1/2 tonne. For the US, I would suggest trying local bakers as they will use fondant on cakes. Peter Edwards Stratford-upon-Avon Article 30854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2002010323573575982@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:57:35 GMT Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Phil Gurr X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.30 10003987 Subject: Re: Fondant References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> <2002010222121175982@zetnet.co.uk> Lines: 23 X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 1010102126 21145 194.247.47.23 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed3!btnet!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30854 The message from "Peter Edwards" contains these words: > Phil > Did you mean fondant, or are you referring to candy - there is a > considerable difference. I did mean true fondant. The recipe that I use is from `Some Important Operations in Bee Management' by T.S.K., and M.P.Johansson, published by the International Bee Research Association 1978, page 85. Phil. Article 30855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: 4 Jan 2002 02:36:38 GMT Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-12.internode.net (198.161.229.188) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1010111798 25368655 198.161.229.188 (16 [58605]) User-Agent: Xnews/4.11.09 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-12.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30855 Billy Smart posted in news:3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com: > Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US > beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? Will Canadian do? Try: CSP Foods 306-934-3212 Box 190, 75-33rd St East, Saskatoon,SK, CANADA, S7K 3K7 Product Number 09030802 CSP Brilliance White Fondant This product has been verified as safe for bees by Rob Currie. Moreover, we have used it successfully. allen Article 30856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Fondant X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 20:54:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 11 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!feed1.newsreader.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30856 Group, Most references I see when looking through the archives with regard to the use of fondant for winter feeding involves beekeepers from the UK. Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? Thanks, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 30857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Join a discussion on the Legal and Enviromental Issues of the insect trade: Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <6saZ7.2164$zw3.349677@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 04:45:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.56.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1010119554 209.179.56.104 (Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:45:54 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:45:54 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 20:45:56 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30857 http://www.insectnet.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=list&forum=DCForumID5&co nf=DCConfID1 Article 30858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:53:25 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.32.36.80 X-Server-Date: 5 Jan 2002 16:57:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!feed.ac-versailles.fr!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30858 I really thought that buying fondant would be much easier than making it myself. I was wrong...I can't find a place that sells pre-made in any quantity in my area (NC). What I did find was a few pounds that was outrageous in price. I tried the recipe in the Bee Culture magazine and found it to be very easy and not at all messy. I have one of the recipes posted on my site: www.ingenbees.com/fondant.htm for anyone interested. Try making it yourself; you'll be in for a pleasant surprise plus you don't have to pay shipping and handling charges on orders from other states or countries. Pete Article 30859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nick Caldrone (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:47:45 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vkh5f$etm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1e8080.521862424@news1.radix.net> <9vma43$t5j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1f266c.564334761@news1.radix.net> <9voe7a$ehn$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vsji4$fl3$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p100.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1010293973 27649 203.96.192.228 (6 Jan 2002 05:12:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2002 05:12:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!usenet.net.nz!203.96.216.22!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30859 Excellent ! Thanks for the refs Allen Carmen Allen Dick wrote in message news:Xns91875AB0428FEallendinternodenet@198.80.55.10... > >> Nonetheless, I consider the drone removal method to be a perversion of > >> our relationship with the bees. > > > True, but the choice is: take the brood away with the mites or let > > crippled drones emerge with the mites. Which one do you prefer? > > Gee. Are those my only choices? > > How about neither? > > allen > --- > http://www.internode.net/honeybee/diary/ > Updated daily. Currentlhy discussing pollen supplements. Article 30860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Nick Caldrone (Varroa) Bee answer lies in China ? Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:40:39 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <9vamma$t0q$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1d2b62.434538552@news1.radix.net> <9vkh5f$etm$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1e8080.521862424@news1.radix.net> <9vma43$t5j$1@news.wave.co.nz> <3c1f266c.564334761@news1.radix.net> <9voe7a$ehn$1@news.wave.co.nz> <9vsji4$fl3$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p100.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1010293818 27513 203.96.192.228 (6 Jan 2002 05:10:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2002 05:10:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30860 Jerome Marot wrote in message news:cc38b740.0112300155.3005462a@posting.google.com... > "Carmen" wrote in message news:... > [...] > > With regard to formic, I recently attended a seminar, much was made of the > > need for ample cover up gear > > when using formic and the inherent dangers of fumes and acid burn etc. > > [...] > > You must be clear with yourself that organic acids can cause nasty > burns. Protective gear is a must. A bucket of water (to rinse things > off in case of accident) a very good idea. Good thinking ! :) Carmen Article 30861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fwd:- Catch the Buzz Article Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:45:08 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 78 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p100.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1010293819 27513 203.96.192.228 (6 Jan 2002 05:10:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jan 2002 05:10:19 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30861 Hi All The following looks like a really interesting service, I have a suggestion :- if people here use the service and email questions to the Research Service, If you feel the question and return answer would be of interest to this e-list then please post here so others can also read the outcomes. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: (Fwd) Catch The Buzz Article Interesting approach being taken by USDA beekeeping scientists to improve extension and public knowledge of beekeeping generally... ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: kim Subject: Catch The Buzz Article USDA Experts tackle the tough questions with this new service. 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It can be found at: http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Kim Flottum Editor, Bee Culture Magazine http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm (\ Nick Wallingford Article 30862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Message-ID: <8eqg3u48fkenv17hho1qqvur6asc51of0l@4ax.com> References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:40:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1010331642 4.33.104.69 (Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:40:42 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:40:42 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:40:43 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30862 Thanks, Pete. Here' s a simple microwave recipe to make candy for feeding one or two colonies. It does not stimulating egg laying: 1. In a one quart or larger microwave dish, mix thoroughly one and a half cups granulated sugar and one-half cup light corn syrup ( 3:1 ratio). No water. 2. Microwave on a high setting, stirring every few minutes, until the mixture is clear and bubbles become larger (thumbnail size), about 10 minutes. Bubbles should be large, but is certainly stop if the mixture starts to brown. A wooden spoon for stirring is most effective, as it can be left in the dish during microwave cooking. 3. Pour into a mold made from cardboard, or a pan, lined with wax paper to cool. It will become brittle. This hard candy can be slipped into the hive, on top of frames or between, where the bees will consume it. I once made it with honey instead of corn syrup and ended up with a taffy consistency. The bees loved it, but it's harder to apply in the hives. Basically, any peanut brittle recipe can be adapted to make bee candy. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tighe Smalley" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees for sale - central New York Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8z%Z7.13394$qv.2661974@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:11:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.52.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1010337092 24.58.52.49 (Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:11:32 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:11:32 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30863 13 colonies, doubles, well-provisioned; healthy, treated w/Apistan, NO history of FB. Weaver All-Americans & carnies equipment VG to EXC. condition Must sell, and soon, due to move. $45 apiece. Prefer to sell together; will accept b.o. for the lot. email n1aep@yahoo.com or call 607.347.4335 Article 30864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Viacheslav Sheveliov" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:46:25 +0300 Organization: COMSTAR Telecommunications Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: d190.p8.col.ru X-Trace: storm.comstar.ru 1010369478 56742 212.248.4.190 (7 Jan 2002 02:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@comstar.ru NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jan 2002 02:11:18 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!mtu.ru!news2.aha.ru!Radio-MSU.net!comstar.ru!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30864 Charlie Kroeger ïèøåò â ñîîáùåíèè:tv5v2u4i2g3jhr0ljt3hb2q347d6s9tr66@4ax.com... > Viacheslav, greetings.. > Hi, Charlie! > What is the cell diameter used by these 'far eastern' bees that we > know live with varroa but are not killed out? Far Eastern bees are originated mostly from European bees. True Russian bees are relative to dark bees from North Europe (Apis mellifera mellifera). Ukrainian bees (Apis mellifera acervorum) most probably are transitional form from Russian bees to Carnica. So cell size of Far Eastern bees should be equal to European bees (~5.4 mm). But there are records about some hybridization of Far Eastern bees with Korean bees (A. indica) with smaller cell size. Which bees were introduced in US? Anyway, I don't sure that resistance of Far Eastern bees is so high because Far Eastern beekeepers in Russia always use Apistan. It seems that they have some tolerance, which is controlled with many genes. ------ Viacheslav Sheveliov slavash@aha.ru Article 30865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 16:16:07 -0600 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1010441768 26899162 216.167.143.162 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.162!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30865 Viacheslav Sheveliov ask: >Which (Far Eastern) bees were introduced in US? I don't know but someone will. Watch this space. C.K. Article 30866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 20 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jan 2002 19:34:02 GMT References: <8eqg3u48fkenv17hho1qqvur6asc51of0l@4ax.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Fondant Message-ID: <20020106143402.05014.00000019@mb-ce.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30866 I made 50 lbs of fondant last month after reading all the different ways to make the stuff and finding nothing of great use. To a five pound bag of sugar add one pint of water Heat the mix in a pot to about 240 degrees. All the candy recipes talk about 234 degrees but wax on about the weather affecting everything. When it gets hot enough the bubbles take on an opalescent look to them. Pour it into whatever mold you are using. If it sets up looking like frost on a windowpane or sparkly snow with no liquid remaing you did good. If there is liquid remaining after about 15 minutes cooling you screwed up and either didn't heat hot enough or used too much water. You can reheat the stuff and add a little more sugar and pour it out again. If it looks tan you burned the sugar and it will make your bees sick don't use it. Article 30867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: 7 Jan 2002 13:36:33 GMT Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-5.internode.net (198.161.229.181) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1010410593 26846290 198.161.229.181 (16 [58605]) User-Agent: Xnews/L5 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.158.233.21!news.ebone.net!news1.ebone.net!newsfeed.vmunix.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-5.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30867 Anyone know what the measurements are of the foundation(s) used in Asia? The former USSR in particular? Measuring is easy. See http://www.internode.net/honeybee/Misc/CellCount.htm for instructions. allen "Viacheslav Sheveliov" posted in news:a1b045$1nd6$1@storm.comstar.ru: > Charlie Kroeger ïèøåò â > ñîîáùåíèè:tv5v2u4i2g3jhr0ljt3hb2q347d6s9tr66@4ax.com... >> Viacheslav, greetings.. >> What is the cell diameter used by these 'far eastern' bees that we >> know live with varroa but are not killed out? > > Far Eastern bees are originated mostly from European bees. True > Russian bees are relative to dark bees from North Europe (Apis > mellifera mellifera). Ukrainian bees (Apis mellifera acervorum) most > probably are transitional form from Russian bees to Carnica. So cell > size of Far Eastern bees should be equal to European bees (~5.4 mm). Article 30868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Vitalij Grishenko" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:11:57 +0200 Organization: LinCore public news site Lines: 221 Message-ID: References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-253-i7d9.lin.com.ua X-Trace: babaj.lincore.net 1010495473 721 217.144.65.253 (8 Jan 2002 13:11:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@lincore.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:11:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news1.spb.su!news1.relcom.ru!ktts!babaj.lincore.net!lincom!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30868 úÄÒÁ×ÓÔ×ÕÊÔÅ! íÙ ÐÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÉÍ ÐÞÅÌÏÉÎ×ÅÎÔÁÒØ × ÁÓÓÏÒÔÉÍÅÎÔÅ, ÉÍÅÅÔÓÑ × ÎÁÌÉÞÉÉ ×ÏÓË ÐÞÅÌÉÎÎÙÊ, Ã×ÅÔÏÞÎÁÑ ÐÙÌØÃÁ, ×ÁÝÉÎÁ. åÓÌÉ ÷ÁÓ ÚÁÉÎÔÅÒÅÓÏ×ÁÌÏ ÎÁÛÅ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÅ, ÐÒÏÓÉÍ ÏÔ×ÅÔÉÔØ. õËÒÁÉÎÁ, Ç.èÁÒØËÏ×. ó õ×ÁÖÅÎÉÅÍ ÷ÉÔÁÌÉÊ. -- Best regards! Vitalij Grishenko vitsim@lin.com.ua Viacheslav Sheveliov ÐÉÛÅÔ × ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÉ:9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru... > Hi! > Sorry for delayed response, I have many work. > > Adam Finkelstein ÐÉÛÅÔ × > ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÉ:9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com... > > In article <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru>, > > Viacheslav Sheveliov wrote: > > >Russian bee and lesser - Italian and Korean bees. Actually, this bee > strain > > >is very heterogeneous. > > > > Most bee strains are. Bees are selected by man. Most honey bees > > are synanthropic--meaning they have changed over time due to direct > > interaction or association with humans. > > May be, but Far Eastern bees was not included in state program of bee zoning > in Soviet times, so no breeding work have been done and was no breeding > apiaries offering genuine Far Eastern bees/queens. According to state zoning > program, central Russian strain was designed for Far East. Still there are > discussions about origin of Far Eastern bees. Most researchers agreed that > they are originated mostly from Ukrainian bees (Apis mellifera acervorum). > In Primorsky region in mid 19-th century was settled with many Ukrainians, > and still there are areas in Primorsky region populated mostly with > Ukrainians. So, among Far Eastern bees there are families most relative to > Ukrainian bees and ones relative to Russian bees (Apis mellifera mellifera). > Russian bees are very aggressive, Ukrainian are less, so bees described by > Steve seems are more relative to Russian bees or they are pure central > Russian bees. > > OK, I stop my amateur reasoning and give citation from serious book (sorry > for my terrible English) > > ============================== > Bilash G.D., Krivtsov N.I. Breeding of honey bees. - Moscow, Agropromizdat, > 1991 - 304 pp. ISBN 5-10-001701-5 > > Pages 83-85 > ----------------- > > Far Eastern Bees. Those bees can and should be classified as primitive > strain, however officially they are not accepted as a strain, despite there > are no any serious reason against such decision. They populate territory of > Chitinsky, Amursky, Khabarovsky and Primorsky regions, where Far Eastern bee > formed as primitive strain from the end of 19-th century till present times > as result of excursive crosses of bees introduced by frontiersmen mostly of > Ukrainian strain, less - central Russian strain, lesser - yellow and gray > Caucasian strain and much lesser - Italian strain, and also as result of > natural and artificial selection. As result of heterogeneous origin Far > Eastern bees differ from other strains by greater amplitude of variability, > however according main characteristics quite answer to conditions of > primitive strain (array of specific features, their stabile inheritance from > generation to generation, great number of families, which exclude > probability of relative crosses in big scale and so on). > > V.V. Stasevich (1913), known specialist of Far Eastern bee-keeping, > considered that Far Eastern bees are product of successful combination of > central Russian and Ukrainian bees in conditions of Primorsky region. > > V. Grudnov (1913) reported, that in Amursky region settlers introduced > central Russian bees from Altay, from Perm and Voronezh regions, Ukrainian > bees - from Poltava region, and Caucasian bees (most probably, yellow > ones) - from northern Caucasus. Caucasian bees badly hibernated here, they > was very swarmed (up to 4 swarms, and sometimes 7-8 swarms per family during > summer), but was outstanding by honey production. > > Prominent personality of Far Eastern bee-keeping, one of the founder of > Dalpcheltrest G.F. Muryi denoted, that in the Far East gray Caucasian bees > was also introduced as well as queens of Italian strain (included ones from > Australia). > > Body of Far Eastern bees is bit smaller than body of central Russian bees. > By coloring they divided to pure gray and with yellow stripes on first 2-3 > sternites. Size of proboscis is 6.1-6.8 mm. Weight of one day old bee is > near 105 mg, queen not laying eggs is 180, laying eggs queen is 230 mg. Bees > are moderately defensive (notably less defensive that central Russian bees), > more enterprising in finding of food sources and bit sooner switch from > worse to better nectar sources (less enterprising, than Caucasian bees). > Inclination to honey stealing is moderate. Propolising of hives is light. > Cell capping is different - from white through several transitional forms to > dark. Cases of "quiet" changing or coexistence of queens are very rarely > observed. Well resist to wax moth. > > Light honey production don't limit, but increase young production. At period > of main honey productions bees store honey uniformly - in brood part and in > supers. > > Far Eastern bees are good in hibernating, resistant to Nosema apis, > toxicosis from non-floral honey _(what is right English terminology?)_, > European foulbrood, but slightly cedes in those characteristics to central > Russian bees, and exceed bees of southern strains. Spring development of > families begins relatively early and proceeds intensively, however egg > production of queens is not high (in the range of 1100-1600 eggs per day, > rarely it is 1700-1800). > > A.P. Volosevich showed, that number of egg tubes and productivity of > Ukrainian queens was slightly higher (6.3 and 8.4% respectively), than ones > of Far Eastern queens. Supposedly, that decreasing of those characteristics > of Far Eastern bees is explained by influence of Caucasian strain (both gray > and yellow ones), which productivity remarkably low comparing to central > Russian and Ukrainian bees. Probably, thus in Far East splits are widely > used, without them over there almost impossible to get big bee families by > the time of main honey production. > > Far Eastern bees quite prune to swarming, but remarkably less than central > Russian bees. Before main honey production time up to 50% of families can be > in swarm conditions, best way to reduce it is forming of splits. Number of > queen cells is differ from 4 to 150, as a rule, gray bees builds less queen > cells and less prune to swarming than yellow ones. > > Far Eastern bees are outstanding in seldom capability to very effectively > use strong, exuberant nectar production from linden: accidents described, > when family brings during a daytime up to 30-32 kg of nectar, and collects > during season (together with ÏÔ×ÏÄÏË) up to 300 kg of honey. Wax > productivity of Far Eastern bees is slightly less, than wax productivity of > central Russian and remarkably higher than wax productivity of Caucasian > bees. > > Based on multiannual experiments (V.S. Koptev) was established, that Far > Eastern bees and their F1 crosses in West Siberian conditions and in > conditions of some European regions of Russia collected more honey, than > endogenous central Russian bees; in conditions of Adygea - more, than > endogenous Kuban bees (S.V. Aref'ev); in Ukraine - more, than families of > Ukrainian bees, however ceded them in quantity of young production (A.P. > Volosevich). > > Those bees are rich heterogeneous material for further effective breeding > for productivity and other qualities. Long ago have been raised a question > about granting them official status of primitive strain. Origin and complex > of characteristics, characterizing this group of bees, occupying territory > and number of families (several hundreds of thousands), more than earnestly > says for such decision. Motivating, according which it was not done earlier > and which consists in argument that Far Eastern bees are nothing more than > pure descendants of Ukrainian bees, cant stands against any critics. > > ============================== > > > >Honey production of Far Eastern bees have been formed in conditions of > rich > > >nectar sources, mostly from linden, and can do well in such conditions. > > >In Primorsky region there are 3 main species of linden with successive > > >flowering one month long and Far Eastern bees usually produce 50-100 kg > of > > >honey. > > > > That's fascinating. When does this Linden flow start? Is the honey of high > > quality? > > When me and my father visiting my father's school friend near Vladivostok, > he complained that ha had no time to take care of bees, to expand haves, he > lost several swarms and collected "only 30 kg" per have :-) > Honey I eaten was fresh and very aromatic. it seems, that honey lost aroma > during extraction. In general linden honey is my favorite. > Nowadays Far Eastern and Bashkirian beekeepers fill Russian market with > cheap linden honey, which make unprofitable beekeeping in many other > regions. > > Lindens, wich grow in Russian Far East are Tilia taquetii, T. amurensis and > T. mandshurica. They bloom from begining to end of July. Less valuable are > T. komarovii, T. koreana, T. tomentosa. Linden gives good nectar production > at the same place every second year. There is a method of prediction of > linden nectar production accordingly with oil content inbranches. > > > Adam > > -- > > Adam Finkelstein > > adamf@panix.com > > http://www.ibiblio.org/bees/adamf > > > > > > > > Article 30869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beecandy Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:52:36 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.32.36.db X-Server-Date: 8 Jan 2002 20:56:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30869 Check out the recent post for fondant. Bee candy and fondant are essentially the same thing. Like I mentioned before, I have two recipes on my web site that tell how to make it: www.ingenbees.com/fondant.htm. I also give a brief synopsis on how to feed using an extra super. I hope this helps, Pete (Christopher Petree) Article 30870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave Hamilton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beecandy Message-ID: <0lpm3uoebtuf7spa9n1r6s7fj57s8rl8h3@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 16:38:50 EST Organization: WebUseNet Corp. http://corp.webusenet.com - ReInventing the UseNet Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:38:36 -0600 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds-atl2!newsfeeds-atl1.usenetserver.com!atlpnn01.usenetserver.com.POSTED!48d5b156!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30870 1-2-3-4-5 one lb water 5 lb suger 234 degrees until it turns while and poor it fast into you telescoping cover or special sugar board. Dave On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:52:36 -0500, "Christopher Petree" wrote: >Check out the recent post for fondant. Bee candy and fondant are essentially >the same thing. Like I mentioned before, I have two recipes on my web site >that tell how to make it: www.ingenbees.com/fondant.htm. I also give a brief >synopsis on how to feed using an extra super. > >I hope this helps, > >Pete (Christopher Petree) > Article 30871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Jan 2002 21:36:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: beecandy Message-ID: <20020108163649.23780.00001849@mb-fj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30871 If you are just plugging queen boxes just use a marshmallow. Article 30872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Harper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fondant Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-178-216.btinternet.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1010526387 7604 213.1.178.216 (8 Jan 2002 21:46:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@helle.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:46:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer1!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30872 Bakers fondant is the icing that bakers use; for instance as the icing on iced buns( you may know icing as confectioners sugar) when I have bought it here in England it can be obtained from a Bakers that bakes on the premises or from a supplier of Bakers equipment and ingredients. In the event of purchasing from a supplier you may have to buy a box of say 12lbs. weight"Billy Smart" wrote in message news:3C33737C.A599F15@boeing.com... > Group, > > Most references I see when looking through the archives with regard to > the use of fondant for winter feeding involves beekeepers from the UK. > Where can a beekeeper in the US get baker's fondant? Are there any US > beekeepers on the list that use fondant to feed bees in winter? > > Thanks, > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS Article 30873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: pppaulhill@aol.com (Paul hill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey coops Date: 8 Jan 2002 17:09:53 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <748940da.0201081709.105a23ed@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.12.103.52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010538594 30629 127.0.0.1 (9 Jan 2002 01:09:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jan 2002 01:09:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30873 I am a beekeeper in southern Indiana. Does anyone know of any honey cooperatives in Indiana or surrounding states that I could market my surplus through? Article 30874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Morton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: red mason bee mating Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:51:50 -0000 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30874 Just a quick question - can anyone tell me how long it takes for red mason bees to mate ? Thanks. Article 30875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WANTED: medium supers (U.S.A.) Date: 11 Jan 2002 06:26:54 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 9 Message-ID: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1010748414 20737 166.84.1.2 (11 Jan 2002 11:26:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jan 2002 11:26:54 GMT Summary: Relative to the U.S.A Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30875 Hello, surfacing from the working-world to post this. I'm looking for 100 or more medium supers, U.S.A. Used is fine. I'm in the Mid-Atlantic area. Would you pass this along? Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 30876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: beecandy Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:01:00 -0500 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 38-pool6.ras11.gaatl-i.tii-dial.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1010610020 21999 206.148.173.38 (9 Jan 2002 21:00:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:00:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!newsfeed.online.be!zur.uu.net!bos.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30876 Thanks guys! "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:a1fme9$n0e$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net... > Check out the recent post for fondant. Bee candy and fondant are essentially > the same thing. Like I mentioned before, I have two recipes on my web site > that tell how to make it: www.ingenbees.com/fondant.htm. I also give a brief > synopsis on how to feed using an extra super. > > I hope this helps, > > Pete (Christopher Petree) > > Article 30877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting buckwheat for bees - advice please Date: 11 Jan 2002 21:22:07 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0201112122.669ff444@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.164 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010812928 6283 127.0.0.1 (12 Jan 2002 05:22:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jan 2002 05:22:08 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30877 > Yo Ivan: > > I can't help you with the amount of area to plant, I plant as much as I have > land available and let it go at that. I only have a few hives and I usually > don't get enough of a flow from the buckwheat for a very strong buckwheat > honey, but it does add a very nice flavoring to the rest of the flow. > > Skip Hello Skip, I appreciated your post and all of the information on buckwheat! Do you have any idea what should be the approximate price for it per lb. in a fifty lb. sack quantity? Thank you very much! Fr. Athanasios Article 30878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5564f45f.0201112122.669ff444@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Planting buckwheat for bees - advice please Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 14:09:25 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-t65DxrZsa7Gn+PwseRIqBuwvGpIpQU1kWPKXLsg3dJeTnm/LitvDNr9Fz9W92va4Dkn+2DE7MaX21sr!DNUuOVkv3cSZ60P10Jcs0Axt+NIZYaqtDlaKj8VShdS1MFON2o6xJ0kW8w8eY8Ir13NbxCCqgVhT!i+sY8khJb8mENfQg1j8= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:09:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com.MISMATCH!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30878 "Fr. Athanasios" wrote > I appreciated your post and all of the information > on buckwheat! Do you have any idea what should be > the approximate price for it per lb. in a fifty lb. > sack quantity? Thank you very much! Buckwheat is not a high demand item so the seed cost is reasonable. Locally it is available @ .75 cents lb. retail, or @ approx. .50 cents lb. wholesale. Seeding rate is between 35 to 70 lb. per acre, depending on the condition of the seed bed and what you are trying to accomplish with the planting. One nice thing about buckwheat is in a thin planting it will branch and develop multiple seed heads. I think I posted these URLs before, but just in case... http://www.agric.gov.ab.ca/agdex/100/118_20-2.html#agronomy http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/Crops/Buckwheat.html Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 30879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Gazza" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning Wax Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:31:53 +1100 Organization: ihug (Sydney) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1010871063.122126@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: bugstomper.ihug.com.au X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1010871064 29081 203.109.250.24 (12 Jan 2002 21:31:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:31:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cache-Post-Path: bugstomper.ihug.com.au!unknown@p179-tnt3.syd.ihug.com.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30879 Hi, I am just wondering if anyone can give me suggestions or help on the best way in which I can clean and refine the bees wax Thankyou Article 30880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Gazza" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Creamed Honey Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:45:00 +1100 Organization: ihug (Sydney) Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: bugstomper.ihug.com.au X-Trace: lust.ihug.co.nz 1010871850 29719 203.109.250.24 (12 Jan 2002 21:44:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ihug.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 21:44:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Cache-Post-Path: bugstomper.ihug.com.au!unknown@p179-tnt3.syd.ihug.com.au X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!lust.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30880 Hi I am also after help in how to make creamed honey, so if anyone can tell me how to make creamed homney it would be very much appreciated Article 30881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Jan 2002 22:57:41 GMT References: <1010871063.122126@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Cleaning Wax Message-ID: <20020112175741.13319.00001174@mb-cp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30881 Pour it through sweatshirt material fuzz side up Article 30882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mr. Dixon" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beecandy Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:48:58 -0500 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 34-pool5.ras11.gaatl-i.tii-dial.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1010515702 2510 206.148.172.34 (8 Jan 2002 18:48:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:48:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!skynet.be!skynet.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!malgudi.oar.net!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!uunet!chi.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30882 I know that this has probably been posted a million times before.....but does anyone have a recipe for beecandy? thanks Article 30883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Dave and Judy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Wax Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 20:58:37 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3C40E9CD.DB634684@fuse.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1010871063.122126@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 55 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed.online.be!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30883 Gazza wrote: > Hi, > > I am just wondering if anyone can give me suggestions or help on the best > way in which I can clean and refine the bees wax Hi. I am not sure just what degree you want your beeswax refined. If you are a hobbyist and have a small amount of cappings or old comb that you want to reduce to blocks, etc., here's what we do. We use an old Coleman cooler to drain the cappings. We put a metal queen excluder in the cooler, it fits right onto the little ledge in the upper edge of the cooler. We dump the cappings from our cut cappings off with a heated knife pan right onto the queen excluder. We let the cappings drain for as long as is convenient. We keep the cooler If it is mid-summer it's usually about a week. We then take the cappings and dump them in a 5 gallon bucket. We add water and a tiny bit of dishsoap. We swish the cappings around, then we drain and dump them into another 5 gallon bucket with just water. You can gather the cappings with your hands and squeeze them out. Surprisingly, you lose very little this way. The last little bit that is floating that you can't catch, you can pour back through a queen excluder or strainer. When we have enough wax accumulated we melt it down. I buy disposable aluminum roaster pans. I put the cappings and other type of old comb into the roaster pan. (You must not use your wife's good roaster, no matter what) I set the oven on its lowest setting which is 175 degrees F. I takes at least 3 hours or so to melt the wax down. The wax will separate from the gunk (I use this term unscientifically to include various dead bee parts, some bee larvae, and that coating that is left in the cell from each successive generation of bee) in it. I pour the hot wax through a 'used only for wax' sieve (a strainer shaped like half of a round ball) into another disposable aluminum pan. This time the pan is a loaf shape. When the wax cools, the wax will be on the top of the loaf, the honey will be floating in the bottom of the pan. The gunk from the combs will be on the bottom of the loaf of wax. I scrape the 1/4" or so of gunk from the bottom of the loaf. Depending on the amount of gunk we started with, I may put these loaves into a larger disposable pan and remelt it. Any additional gunk will again gravitate to the bottom of the pan. When you cool the wax, you can scrape the stuff off. We do not own a solar wax melter. I am too impatient to use the solar melter. When I do wax, it takes over my kitchen for a day. But then it is done. We usually only melt the wax once per year. By culling old combs, using cappings, taking wax from bee removals, etc., we usually have a couple 5 gallon buckets of wax to clean. HTH, Judy Article 30884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SUPER DUMPING BOARD Date: 10 Jan 2002 05:28:19 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: <49875365.0201100528.f58a81d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010669299 15199 127.0.0.1 (10 Jan 2002 13:28:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jan 2002 13:28:19 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.kornet.net!news-xfer.nuri.net!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30884 I came accross the plan to build super dumping device. I can not make out how to use it. May be after I build it it will be more clear to me but now I am lost. Any one ever worked with it? Thank you, Andrey. Article 30885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal Date: 12 Jan 2002 19:30:40 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <2ik3uk$6ve$4@62.42.230.225> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.156.34.223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010892640 31476 127.0.0.1 (13 Jan 2002 03:30:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jan 2002 03:30:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30885 Howdy -- A large majority of who ? I was not asked to vote. With the heavy use of the site, what is the justification? Pete Article 30886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <2ik3uk$6ve$4@62.42.230.225> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:54:53 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1010894074 80.1.219.11 (Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:54:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:54:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30886 On 12 Jan 2002 19:30:40 -0800, hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) wrote: >Howdy -- > > A large majority of who ? I was not asked to vote. With the heavy use of >the site, what is the justification? > > Pete It's a troll. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Terry Dozler" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees for sale! Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. 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John Hruby Article 30888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1010871063.122126@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Subject: Re: Cleaning Wax Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 19:37:35 -0800 Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.159 Message-ID: <3c4226b8_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1010968248 209.23.10.159 (13 Jan 2002 18:30:48 -0600) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!corp.newsgroups.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30888 Hi, Soak the wax in water to rinse any honey in five gallon pails. Use a strainer to transfer wax to a crock pot (used only for this purpose) in which the wax is melted. Strain through double layered cheesecloth into half gallon milk cartons(cleaned) that have had the top cut off. Using a crock pot there is very little chance of burning the house down as there is no flame. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 30889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: combining in January Date: 13 Jan 2002 18:46:52 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <993fd181.0201131846.69e6e323@posting.google.com> References: <747f6cf3.0201121802.4894690d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010976413 26304 127.0.0.1 (14 Jan 2002 02:46:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jan 2002 02:46:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!opentransit.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30889 rubes@infostations.com (Janet) wrote in message news:<747f6cf3.0201121802.4894690d@posting.google.com>... > Hi, it has been very warm here in California, so I thought I should > check our hives. We have 3 medium supers that make each hive. Out of > our 7 hives, one is queenless with about 3 frames of bees and one has > a queen, but also has 3 frames of bees. Our other hives have bees on > all frames. Should I combine each of those weak hives with a strong > hive (and kill the week queen) or just leave it until spring. And > would I use a sheet of newspaper to combine? > Thanks, > Janet Hi Janet, 3 med. frames isnt much of a hive to really worry about.You could combine them if they are side by side,and together they might amount to something later.Everyone has a certain percentage of 'dinks' or 'culls'in late winter.Poor queens or queens with 'bad'genetics (succesptable to mites,virus,etc.)are a common reason.So you may just want to let them peg out and re-stock with a swarm or split or package later on.If you join them and they still dont pull ahead then you can try re-queening.As a general rule,beekeepers spend too much time worrying about their weak hives when they really should be concentrating on the strong ones. -Mike Article 30890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "De Witt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Why is my honey still granulated Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:13:32 -0600 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 6 Message-ID: <96F7C2D2570C948B.4CE7FF5A551D7ECE.1E52182019DD4729@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library1-aux.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sun Jan 13 21:14:19 2002 NNTP-Posting-Host: !_&A"1k-VcL$F!7 (Encoded at Airnews!) 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Cliff Article 30891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian bees Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:24:40 -0600 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <71h14u82472qavq9d1g7hifl6um20co3t3@4ax.com> References: <3c0ccb8a$0$29636$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <675P7.24$Sj1.84285@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> <9uoorp$1rfo$1@storm.comstar.ru> <9ur3rs$9mq$1@panix3.panix.com> <9v5t72$jov$1@storm.comstar.ru> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.59 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1010877886 29707505 216.167.143.59 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.59!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30891 Vitalij Grishenko said 'something' but it was possibly in Russian which my newsreader doesn't seem to encode. sorry, C.K. Article 30892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 174 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: o927i841845i2417@aol.com (O927I841845I2417) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Jan 2002 01:03:33 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Physiotherapy and Dru Yoga Message-ID: <20020112200333.18577.00004851@mb-bk.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30892 YOU HAVE AN AMAZING BODY! www.druyoga.com YES - every one of you who is reading these words. And you can move so beautifully, too. There is so much we each can do to promote our own physical health and well being, and it doesn't need hours of working out in a gym. In fact, you can begin right now in three easy steps! 1) Begin by lengthening your spine upwards, drawing your chin in slightly. 2) Raise your collar bones and relax your shoulders down. 3) Observe your breath flowing easily in and out of your body for the next 5 breaths. That should feel better! Why I began What I have always loved about the practice of yoga, since my very first class when I was a 16 year old studying for my A levels, is that there is an instant 'feel-good factor' which no other form of exercise or body-work has given me to the same extent. And it was when I was introduced to Dru Yoga four years later during my physiotherapy training, that I knew I had found a form of yoga that would not only take my practice deeper, but that could be a powerful therapeutic approach to many of the conditions I was being exposed to, from back problems to M.S to asthma. Since that time I have personally witnessed hundreds of people who have successfully resolved their physical problems with a Dru Yoga programme. It has certainly occurred to me that if everyone practised Dru Yoga on a daily basis I could be out of a job as a physio! This is because I know it to be a perfect approach for maintaining our musculo-skeletal systems in excellent working order. How is this? We always begin a Dru Yoga session with a comprehensive warm-up to prepare the body. I also find this time is essential to reconnect people with their bodies, as so many people are more mentally active than physically active during their working day and often don't realise how stiff they have become. The Energy Block Release Sequences that follow can then systematically mobilise each of the joints and, most importantly, the spine - an area where we ask our students to focus much of their attention as they move. Alignment Developing correct alignment is central to the practice of yoga, and the following four areas are corner stones to this: 1) Good control of your postural muscles - especially the 'core stability' groups such as the deep abdominal muscles, which maintain the correct tilt of your pelvis. These muscles are recruited in virtually all of the asanas and sequences (except in the 'corpse' pose which is the supine pose for relaxation, when they are given permission to let go!) 2) Flexibility in key muscle groups - Yoga is well known for improving our flexibility, which is an important factor in being able to maintain a good posture. For example tight pectoral muscles are often associated with being 'round shouldered'. By stretching the shortened pectoral muscles, and strengthening the opposite postural muscle group (lower fibres of trapezius) which many yoga postures do very effectively, upper body alignment can improve dramatically. Aches and pains that many people experience in the neck and shoulder area are caused simply by incorrect posture and can be reduced dramatically by the practice of specific postures. For example, Ustrasana (the camel posture) followed by bhujangasana (the cobra posture) are two of the many postures that work beautifully on these muscle groups. 3) Mobility in the joints of the body - especially the spine. There is something so wonderful about having taken every main joint of the body through its full range of movement. So often our working and leisure activities simply don't utilise our full potential to move, and as a consequence we find our flexibility reducing with age. Dru Yoga mobilises the joints to their optimum range without creating unnatural stretches that could lead to strain or hyper-mobility. 4) Awareness - Through the use of concentration, direction of breath, and visualisation, which a Dru Yoga teacher will facilitate, our self-awareness quickly grows. It often begins with increased awareness of our posture, leading to our becoming more conscious of our unique habits and patterns of movement and being able to consciously improve these. (We can recall how we recognise friends from a distance, even before seeing their face, simply by their individual way of moving). As our awareness develops, we will start to reduce the stresses and strains which we normally inflict on our body without realising simply through correct alignment. Awareness of our breathing pattern will keep us in a much more relaxed frame of body and mind and is the essential pathway to correcting the very common condition known as hyperventilation (over-breathing). Awareness can then expand into the subtler aspects of ourselves, so that we can start to observe our thoughts, feelings and levels of energy and learn to control them. The Dru Yoga Approach to Postures (asanas) and Dru Yoga Sequences In the worldwide field of yoga there are many different approaches to yoga postures, some of them requiring high degrees of flexibility, which the media love to portray. What I have always appreciated about Dru Yoga is that the emphasis is on how we go into and out of a posture - making our movements slow, flowing and controlled. Stages and modifications are provided so that the asanas become available to everyone and a feeling of fulfilment or achievement can be experienced by all, regardless of their level of flexibility or physical limitations. I have found a great deal of overlap in the current approach to 'muscle balance' in the physiotherapy world and the style of Dru Yoga. The core stability muscles of the lower back, abdominal wall and pelvis that we frequently have to teach people to strengthen as physiotherapists are of great importance in all yoga postures. However in contrast to repetitive exercises that can become somewhat boring to do regularly, it is my experience that yoga becomes a journey of discovery - the postures 'open up'or expand with repetition, and can reveal something new each time you practise them. For example, standing postures such as 'the warrior' really do cultivate a feeling of inner strength, courage and motivation - as well as being excellent for improving knee problems by strengthening the quadriceps and gluteus medius muscles in a weight-bearing way. Transversus abdominus, a deep abdominal muscle which has recently gained much interest in the field of research because of its essential role in posture and prevention of back pain, is activated in all standing yoga asanas, which are always begun by drawing in the lower abdomen. Keeping the collarbones or sternum raised is a frequent alignment instruction, and this is an excellent approach for reducing neck and thoracic pain and shoulder impingement problems. Because in Dru Yoga our movements are so flowing, the body is strengthened almost effortlessly. This develops tremendous control around our joints, which is an important key to managing any musculo-skeletal problem. Rather than being tiring, the sequences also energise us, and because self-awareness develops so naturally in yoga, the benefits are incorporated into our daily lives very quickly. Research There is currently much interest in Yoga Therapy and research continues...studies have shown how the practice of yoga can help in carpal tunnel syndrome and osteo-arthritis of the hands. It has been shown useful in the management of many conditions, including hypertension, diabetes, asthma and epilepsy - and I haven't even mentioned the whole dimension of relaxation, with its far reaching benefits on so many stress related illnesses. For example, a recent thirteen-year study of patients with lymph cancers found that relaxation exercises could prolong the lives of sufferers by a significant length of time. But alongside all the physical benefit is, for me, an even greater treasure....the freedom inside that yoga will bring. The freedom from thoughts that sabotage us.....freedom from emotions that cause us pain and stop us being fulfilled human beings. For in my work I know that I can teach postural correction exercises over and over again, but if the client has poor self esteem and low confidence, that also needs to be addressed if he is really going to be able to hold his head up high. And I know that the multi-dimensional approach of Dru Yoga can do it. www.druyoga.com Ruth Boaler (MCSP;Grad Dip Phys) is an experienced Chartered Physiotherapist working in an NHS hospital in the West Midlands. She is also a Senior Tutor of the Dru Yoga Therapy Training Course in Europe, and co-ordinates the U.K course. 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Email: druyoga@lifefoundation.org.uk copyright Life Foundation School of Therapeutics Dru Yoga is a registered trademark Article 30893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: rubes@infostations.com (Janet) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: combining in January Date: 12 Jan 2002 18:02:48 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <747f6cf3.0201121802.4894690d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.81.73.237 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1010887368 29792 127.0.0.1 (13 Jan 2002 02:02:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jan 2002 02:02:48 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30893 Hi, it has been very warm here in California, so I thought I should check our hives. We have 3 medium supers that make each hive. Out of our 7 hives, one is queenless with about 3 frames of bees and one has a queen, but also has 3 frames of bees. Our other hives have bees on all frames. Should I combine each of those weak hives with a strong hive (and kill the week queen) or just leave it until spring. And would I use a sheet of newspaper to combine? 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If you would like to have direct access to expert advice that you can turn into profit, the next move is your One Month No Obligation Free Trial Please visit our web site at - www.agrisupportonline.com Article 30895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal Date: 15 Jan 2002 08:59:41 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <49875365.0201150859.44110d15@posting.google.com> References: <2ik3uk$6ve$4@62.42.230.225> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011113981 15270 127.0.0.1 (15 Jan 2002 16:59:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jan 2002 16:59:41 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30895 Yes, I am regular reader, and first time here about it. What are the other arrangements are?. Andrey. Article 30896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C447598.6815BBA4@nowhere.com> From: Jeff Organization: Nowhere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 18:21:27 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.174.18.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news2.news.adelphia.net 1011118887 216.174.18.77 (Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:21:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 13:21:27 EST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!router2.news.adelphia.net!news2.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30896 i am just beginning, i have not even ordered any equipment yet. i have a good handle on what equipment i need, some of the basic processes involved in keeping bees, etc, and i have access to someone who has kept bees in the past who promises to help me. but i have two questions that i need answers to, 1) what kind of bees to get ? i am in virginia mountains usda zone 6b if that makes a difference, i do not know what the "standard" kind of bee is here, what most people keep. i want three colonies. any thoughts on the type of bee to purchase ? also when is the best time to establish the colonies ? 2) the bees will be kept in the woods but there are nearby fields and meadows. the challenge is that these woods are just that, woods! and there are black bear possible! how do i protect the bees from being raided by honey loving pooh bears ? i can fence them in if that will help, or do more if it is not enough ? thank you for any information. Article 30897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Shanta McBain" Subject: Re: Why is my honey still granulated Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <96F7C2D2570C948B.4CE7FF5A551D7ECE.1E52182019DD4729@lp.airnews.net> <20020114074839.13103.00005835@mb-fe.aol.com> User-Agent: Pan/0.10.0 (Unix) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Comment-To: "BeeCrofter" Lines: 10 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 23:19:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.67.253.205 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news1.calgary.shaw.ca 1011136787 24.67.253.205 (Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:19:47 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:19:47 MST Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news1.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30897 In article <20020114074839.13103.00005835@mb-fe.aol.com>, "BeeCrofter" wrote: > 112 was not warm enough you need to be 117 but not for long.a day max it will burn the it is crap. Shanta Article 30898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cleaning Wax Date: 15 Jan 2002 19:40:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <1010871063.122126@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> <3c4226b8_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011152420 32710 127.0.0.1 (16 Jan 2002 03:40:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2002 03:40:20 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30898 I put the wax in a coffee can and place the can in a pot with couple rocks or such underneath and water in the pot. Basically a double boiler and then heat until the wax melts. Then pour couple inches of the hot water in a second can and use a paint strainer (available at paint store) and pour wax through strainer into hot water. When it cools, you will have clean wax. The strainer got the thick stuff and any honey or such sinks to bottom of water. If pour wax into cold water, the wax sets up immediately and locks any honey back into it. Easy and works well. Article 30899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: 15 Jan 2002 20:24:13 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3C447598.6815BBA4@nowhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011155053 1230 127.0.0.1 (16 Jan 2002 04:24:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2002 04:24:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30899 Jeff wrote in message news:<3C447598.6815BBA4@nowhere.com>... > i am just beginning, i have not even ordered any equipment yet. i have > a good handle on what equipment i need, some of the basic processes > involved in keeping bees, etc, and i have access to someone who has kept > bees in the past who promises to help me. but i have two questions that > i need answers to, > > 1) what kind of bees to get ? i am in virginia mountains usda zone 6b > if that makes a difference, i do not know what the "standard" kind of > bee is here, what most people keep. i want three colonies. any > thoughts on the type of bee to purchase ? also when is the best time to > establish the colonies ? > > 2) the bees will be kept in the woods but there are nearby fields and > meadows. the challenge is that these woods are just that, woods! and > there are black bear possible! how do i protect the bees from being > raided by honey loving pooh bears ? i can fence them in if that will > help, or do more if it is not enough ? I have the same concern with black bears as they have been spotted just across the creek. Not worrying too much at moment due to time of year but I bought a hand held air horn and rigged it in a box on a pole with trip wires going around the hives. Figure fencing is expensive and they can break through but this ought to scare the shit out of em. Also have several strands of wire around as a somewhat physical deterrent. Otherwise woods in this area isn't bad as that is where they actually get lot of their honey nectar(tulip poplar, sourwood) from. > > thank you for any information. Article 30900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive Tool Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:42:07 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011206529 32143043 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30900 As an on-going father\daughter 4-H Project my daughter has asked me to release her hand held program "Hive tool" to others that might be able to use it. This small program is designed to work on handheld devices like the Palm Pilot or Handspring Visor. The program is a very simple tool that can be used to keep notes on your hives. As a father and daughter project we hope all will enjoy. Please remember to get kids involved in 4-H and especially beekeeping! The program Hive tool can be downloaded at: http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html or http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ Article 30901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Rick" From: "Rick" References: <2ik3uk$6ve$4@62.42.230.225> <49875365.0201150859.44110d15@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 14:50:01 -0800 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust39.tnt3.coos-bay.or.da.uu.net 63.16.201.39 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed.news.msn.com!cpimsnntpa02.news.msn.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30901 This is bummer I hope it is not true. Rick "Andrey" wrote in message news:49875365.0201150859.44110d15@posting.google.com... > Yes, I am regular reader, and first time here about it. What are the > other arrangements are?. > > Andrey. Article 30902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C460E12.2F680B69@sympatico.ca> From: Mike Romain X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sci.agriculture.beekeeping, FINAL NOTICE of Newsgroup Removal References: <2ik3uk$6ve$4@62.42.230.225> <49875365.0201150859.44110d15@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:34:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.229.218.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1011224337 64.229.218.49 (Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:38:57 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:38:57 EST Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!webster!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30902 No, it is just some fool trying to flood news.admin.net-abuse.email because he linked all the replies to it. He has posted that BS on most of the newsgroups I follow. Not the first time he has done it either. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Update: 5 Day Canadian Bush 2002 New Year's Jeep Run http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4292141347 Rick wrote: > > This is bummer I hope it is not true. > > Rick > > "Andrey" wrote in message > news:49875365.0201150859.44110d15@posting.google.com... > > Yes, I am regular reader, and first time here about it. What are the > > other arrangements are?. > > > > Andrey. Article 30903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:26:31 -0600 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.141 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011234391 32077361 216.167.138.141 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.141!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30903 >The trick here is to continuosly monitor the >strength of the smoke by breathing deeply thereof and I am led to believe >that you will cease to be concerned about your impending doom. >Mike That's a good way to avoid varroa anxiety, and maybe others too. Most Americans however don't need to use this method as they already use SSRI's instead. C.K. Article 30904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Date: 16 Jan 2002 19:41:03 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <993fd181.0201161941.2f66b43e@posting.google.com> References: <3C447598.6815BBA4@nowhere.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.161 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011238863 685 127.0.0.1 (17 Jan 2002 03:41:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2002 03:41:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30904 > I have the same concern with black bears as they have been spotted > just across the creek. Not worrying too much at moment due to time > of year but I bought a hand held air horn and rigged it in a box on a > pole with trip wires going around the hives. Lots of experience with bears.Forget the air horn.Wire hand grenades to the trip wire.You will thank me. -mike Article 30905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa a state of mind Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:48:35 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p82.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011172281 15555 203.96.192.210 (16 Jan 2002 09:11:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2002 09:11:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30905 Hi All I received the following today, I thought it a rather interesting commentary so thought I'd share :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: To Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: [] Varroa a state of mind I have decided that Varroa is a state of the mind. Last week the Auckland branch had a meeting with a young lady doing research for a group of South Islanders into the situation as regards Varroa and what measures that could be taken to lessen or make more managable the ensuing affects. This got me thinking and I recon I have the answer. Before I go into the answer it would help to identify the question or problem. As I see it there are some widely differing mental attitudes and opinions and fears as to how the mite will affect the South. These range from an almost all consuming dread to a feeling that there could well be positives. These are evidenced by the reactions of different players in the industry and vary from a continual bleating about how we are all doomed to the attitude of "lets see what prior action we can take". As I said at the start its all a state of the mind. It is almost certain to happen so well done those being pro-active. Here's a hint for a way to get the fears out of your mind. I'm sure someone some where will have said that if you use Indian hemp in your smoker instead of hay the mite will become confused and fall off. The trick here is to continuosly monitor the strength of the smoke by breathing deeply thereof and I am led to believe that you will cease to be concerned about your impending doom. Mike Article 30906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa a state of mind Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:48:49 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p82.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011172294 15556 203.96.192.210 (16 Jan 2002 09:11:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jan 2002 09:11:34 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30906 Hi All I received the following today, I thought it a rather interesting commentary so thought I'd share :-D ----- Original Message ----- From: To Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: [] Varroa a state of mind I have decided that Varroa is a state of the mind. Last week the Auckland branch had a meeting with a young lady doing research for a group of South Islanders into the situation as regards Varroa and what measures that could be taken to lessen or make more managable the ensuing affects. This got me thinking and I recon I have the answer. Before I go into the answer it would help to identify the question or problem. As I see it there are some widely differing mental attitudes and opinions and fears as to how the mite will affect the South. These range from an almost all consuming dread to a feeling that there could well be positives. These are evidenced by the reactions of different players in the industry and vary from a continual bleating about how we are all doomed to the attitude of "lets see what prior action we can take". As I said at the start its all a state of the mind. It is almost certain to happen so well done those being pro-active. Here's a hint for a way to get the fears out of your mind. I'm sure someone some where will have said that if you use Indian hemp in your smoker instead of hay the mite will become confused and fall off. The trick here is to continuosly monitor the strength of the smoke by breathing deeply thereof and I am led to believe that you will cease to be concerned about your impending doom. Mike Article 30907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:18:27 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011256862 3599 203.96.192.24 (17 Jan 2002 08:41:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2002 08:41:02 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30907 Hi Charlie We should be in the height of the honey flow season, however the weather hasn't been conducive to good flows, what with Varroa etc, beekeepers are a little glum, so good to have some light-hearted humour. What is 'SSRI's ' ? Regards Carmen Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:mcdc4u4o1l1hrtdtdufpeb7aftjul2fuq3@4ax.com... > >The trick here is to continuosly monitor the > >strength of the smoke by breathing deeply thereof and I am led to believe > >that you will cease to be concerned about your impending doom. > >Mike > > That's a good way to avoid varroa anxiety, and maybe others too. > Most Americans however don't need to use this method as they already > use SSRI's instead. > > C.K. Article 30908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:35:26 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p112.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011297475 13406 203.96.192.112 (17 Jan 2002 19:57:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2002 19:57:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30908 LOL I just did a websearch on SSRI and found out what it is "selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) " Wow what a twist to this thread. You say most americans are on them, Things are that bad huh ? :) I have seen articles in various locations about the 'medication industry' which thrives in the US and indicates the propensity of Americans to seek medications for such ailments. As far as I am aware NZ'ers aren't so predisposed, although indications are that things are heading that way among the population, particularly in the case of treating chldren for such things as ADHD etc. Are there are any stats on the use of medications among Beekeepers ? I think there is a distinct possibility that Beekeeping, in itself, is a medication for the senses. LOL :-D Carmen Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:mcdc4u4o1l1hrtdtdufpeb7aftjul2fuq3@4ax.com... > >The trick here is to continuosly monitor the > >strength of the smoke by breathing deeply thereof and I am led to believe > >that you will cease to be concerned about your impending doom. > >Mike > > That's a good way to avoid varroa anxiety, and maybe others too. > Most Americans however don't need to use this method as they already > use SSRI's instead. > > C.K. Article 30909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: tacklecrafter@aol.com (Tackle crafter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Jan 2002 02:26:04 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca Subject: top bar hives Message-ID: <20020117212604.10888.00005081@mb-fa.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30909 Where would i get the best plans for a top bar hive. Thanks Al -------------------------- Incomplete angler-writer Article 30910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: 17 Jan 2002 19:31:27 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <993fd181.0201171931.77293fb1@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.145 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011324688 2820 127.0.0.1 (18 Jan 2002 03:31:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jan 2002 03:31:28 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30910 "Carmen> Are there are any stats on the use of > medications among Beekeepers ? > I think there is a distinct possibility that Beekeeping, > in itself, is a medication for the senses. > LOL > :-D > Carmen > Dont know anything about high tech drugs except I think most of our government uses them.Personally I prefer a glass of dry red wine(cork grade as opposed to screw cap grade,but only because the cork makes a great stopper in the end of a smoker to put it out) Last Fall,an Indian(from India)was telling me how a friend in India would use burning grass to stun the wild bees before he robbed their honey.I told him I had tried grass,but burlap was better.When he laughed and asked how could I afford to burn 'grass'I caught on. -Mike Article 30911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 34 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: aitkentomkins@aol.comHONESTY (Andrew moneybags) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Jan 2002 17:46:05 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: The Book Shop Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20020118124605.07332.00002624@mb-fq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30911 The Book Shop The Book shop from Fiction to Non-fiction in a very large collection, there are plenty to choose and for some there very rare to come by as they have been collected for some time... 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X-Nntp-Posting-Host: e221106.nw.nos.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3C487F45.9BE11D7B@NO.yahoo.SPAM.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <3C447598.6815BBA4@nowhere.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:02:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-CCK-MCD Boeing Kit (Windows NT 5.0; U) Lines: 37 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nyc.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30912 I had a black bear eat 3 of my 5 hives. What I did after that is put up an electric fence powered by a solar charger. I have 3 strands. One at a bit less than a foot off of the ground, then 2 more about 18 inches up from there. I hung fresh uncooked bacon on all the wires on each side, in several places about 6 feet apart. I didn't actually get to see this, but the bacon attracts the bear, who sniffs the bacon and gets that pop right on the nose. The bear might even mouth the bacon, and, ouch! I know it worked because for a couple weeks while the bear was trying to get the other hives, there were places where I saw bear sign on the outside of the fence, right near the bacon. The bear scrached up the ground, dug up the dirt a bit. Without the bacon to attract and stop the bear, and make vulnerable the few spots that aren't covered in 4 inches of fur, they will just power through the fence. That was almost 2 years ago now, and my hives have been undisturbed since. This was an expensive fix, the charger was about $225, the fencing was less that $30, IIRC. Jeff wrote: > > i am just beginning, i have not even ordered any equipment yet. i have > a good handle on what equipment i need, some of the basic processes > involved in keeping bees, etc, and i have access to someone who has kept > bees in the past who promises to help me. but i have two questions that > i need answers to, > > 1) what kind of bees to get ? i am in virginia mountains usda zone 6b > if that makes a difference, i do not know what the "standard" kind of > bee is here, what most people keep. i want three colonies. any > thoughts on the type of bee to purchase ? also when is the best time to > establish the colonies ? > > 2) the bees will be kept in the woods but there are nearby fields and > meadows. the challenge is that these woods are just that, woods! and > there are black bear possible! how do i protect the bees from being > raided by honey loving pooh bears ? i can fence them in if that will > help, or do more if it is not enough ? > > thank you for any information. Article 30913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:41:57 -0600 Lines: 133 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.231 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011390120 33440728 216.167.138.231 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.231!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30913 >I just did a websearch on >SSRIand found out what it is >"selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) " >Wow what a twist to this thread. Nice one Carmen I detect overt signs of intelligence and initiative. >You say most americans are on them, >Things are that bad huh ? No one really knows but the manufacturers of the drugs, but their profits are really high. Even so it is a constant topic of conversation in diverse media, so conclusions may be drawn. There's a gap between television's depiction of society and the real one. One here sees lots of advertisements on television for drugs, the kind you have to "ask your doctor about." including the SSRI's you've mentioned. I know at least that before the FDA (Federal Drug Administration) had always banned such public advertising of prescription drugs, but recently all that's changed, and the drug companies predictably have made huge almost 'windfall' profits since the campaigns have begun. As every American knows, It pays to advertise. There is 'token' controversy over one of the major television networks (NBC) deciding to air 'hard liquor' advertisements along with all the other ads and to include the drug ads already mentioned. Corporations now are getting tax laws and public money they desire in a new type of social parasitism that makes the old welfare rolls that would include say a single mother with a dependant child, look microscopic by comparison. Another interesting point about NBC is that 'they' are owned by Westinghouse, another awfully big corporation and a leading 'player' in the "military industrial complex" an evil thing that president Eisenhower warned us about just before leaving the whitehouse in 1960 Corporations all over the world now and that includes N.Z. want to be left alone to make money at all cost as in an unregulated a way as they can dream up. This goal has already been realized in the U.S. due to an uninformed and apathetic electorate where only around the forty percentile of eligible voters now turn out for a general election, and those that do vote, vote alone ideological and party lines, as real issues are avoided, while advertising agencies are hired to create emotional points and images it is thought the voters will remember. That's all it is. >I have seen articles in various locations about the >'medication industry' which thrives in the US and indicates the propensity >of Americans to seek medications for such ailments. What can one say, it's the evil. No one ever ask 'why' someone may want to take a mood altering drug; the fact that millions in fact do take both legal and illegal drugs of this kind, never predisposes to assume there might be something wrong in a society or culture where the majority do well at the expense of everyone else. (read worldwide) Even so, the 'majority' is growing ever smaller. However as long as whatever it is that makes people nuts is allowed to continue, the drug business both illegal and legal, will thrive consistently. As a 'Kiwi' yourself and to be topical shall we call it the works of "Sauron." where the methods of the dark one can create any image it wishes, or sway what's left of 'public opinion' any way it wants. >As far as I am aware NZ'ers aren't so predisposed, although indications are >that things are heading that way among the population, particularly in the >case of treating chldren for such things as ADHD etc. There are 'globalization imperatives' but there is no point elaborating on that; there never was much discussion and now it's too late. (feel like you need an SSRI now?) That ADHD business started here more than twenty years ago. There was a 'famous' but now forgotten incident in Omaha (Nebraska) in I think 1975 (not completely sure of the date) where kids that were deemed 'unruly' and 'diagnosed' with terms like "The hyperkinetic syndrome" or "Minimal brain dysfunction" or "Minimal brain damage" but mostly it was simply called "hyperactive." After many of the teachers at the Omaha schools (primary grades pre 12 year old) were given 'talks' by representatives of drug companies, or were briefed by other staff members who had heard the talks, teachers started giving out pills (supplied by the companies as samples) to several thousand Omaha students, almost all boys. These pills were similar in content to "speed" They were either amphetamines or Ritalin which has a similar effect. Although these pills have a dramatic stimulant effect on adults, they seem to have an opposite effect on hyperactive prepubescent boys. A report in "Science Digest" in 1976 reported that drugged schoolchildren were a fact of life in hundreds of American school systems. The most commonly mentioned estimate (then) was 500,000 to 2,000,000 school pupils who were on amphetamines or Ritalin. "Hyperactive" is now called ADHD and is a respectable medically recognized 'syndrome.' and therefore routinely treated with Ritalin, with amphetamines getting dropped from the lexicon due to it's being listed among the 'bad' drugs in the "war on drugs." (an expensive and unsuccessful government program costing millions of dollars annually) I hope in NZ you as a nation are 'smarter' and not so easily herded along by the public opinion machinery that works so well here. >Are there are any stats on the use of >medications among Beekeepers ? I think beekeepers are rather plodding and ponderous like farmers in general, and probably not prone to getting too excited or worried about their image or fall prey to the pressures of fashion or the lure of advertising that would invite them to feel less complete in some way. Beekeepers know for instance that greed is pointless. I know after I see a paid political announcement or catch the end of some 'infomercial' selling a product that will add inches to my penis in just three weeks, I reach of the "Wild Turkey" (a Kentucky bourbon whiskey) and pour myself a double shot. >I think there is a distinct possibility that Beekeeping, >in itself, is a medication for the senses. How right you are Carmen..as I've said before, beekeepers are like saints, born and not made; when a person realizes he or she is of the chosen there can be nothing else for it..spring comes, the blood rises, the bees are flying and a sense of well being returns. It's as the Buddha said, all life is suffering. C.K. Article 30915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C48D30C.4D96C379@globetrotter.net> From: Frank Organization: Frank international X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Lines: 139 Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:56:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.169.153.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@globetrotter.net X-Trace: carnaval.risq.qc.ca 1011405378 142.169.153.118 (Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:56:18 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:56:18 EST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!carnaval.risq.qc.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30915 Charlie Kroeger a écrit : > >I just did a websearch on > >SSRIand found out what it is > >"selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) " > >Wow what a twist to this thread. > > Nice one Carmen I detect overt signs of intelligence and initiative. > > >You say most americans are on them, > >Things are that bad huh ? > > No one really knows but the manufacturers of the drugs, but their > profits are really high. Even so it is a constant topic of > conversation in diverse media, so conclusions may be drawn. > > There's a gap between television's depiction of society and the real > one. One here sees lots of advertisements on television for drugs, > the kind you have to "ask your doctor about." including the SSRI's > you've mentioned. I know at least that before the FDA (Federal Drug > Administration) had always banned such public advertising of > prescription drugs, but recently all that's changed, and the drug > companies predictably have made huge almost 'windfall' profits since > the campaigns have begun. As every American knows, It pays to > advertise. > > There is 'token' controversy over one of the major television > networks (NBC) deciding to air 'hard liquor' advertisements along > with all the other ads and to include the drug ads already > mentioned. Corporations now are getting tax laws and public money > they desire in a new type of social parasitism that makes the old > welfare rolls that would include say a single mother with a > dependant child, look microscopic by comparison. > > Another interesting point about NBC is that 'they' are owned by > Westinghouse, another awfully big corporation and a leading 'player' > in the "military industrial complex" an evil thing that president > Eisenhower warned us about just before leaving the whitehouse in > 1960 > > Corporations all over the world now and that includes N.Z. want to > be left alone to make money at all cost as in an unregulated a way > as they can dream up. This goal has already been realized in the > U.S. due to an uninformed and apathetic electorate where only around > the forty percentile of eligible voters now turn out for a general > election, and those that do vote, vote alone ideological and party > lines, as real issues are avoided, while advertising agencies are > hired to create emotional points and images it is thought the voters > will remember. That's all it is. > > >I have seen articles in various locations about the > >'medication industry' which thrives in the US and indicates the propensity > >of Americans to seek medications for such ailments. > > What can one say, it's the evil. No one ever ask 'why' someone may > want to take a mood altering drug; the fact that millions in fact do > take both legal and illegal drugs of this kind, never predisposes to > assume there might be something wrong in a society or culture where > the majority do well at the expense of everyone else. (read > worldwide) Even so, the 'majority' is growing ever smaller. However > as long as whatever it is that makes people nuts is allowed to > continue, the drug business both illegal and legal, will thrive > consistently. > > As a 'Kiwi' yourself and to be topical shall we call it the works of > "Sauron." where the methods of the dark one can create any image it > wishes, or sway what's left of 'public opinion' any way it wants. > > >As far as I am aware NZ'ers aren't so predisposed, although indications are > >that things are heading that way among the population, particularly in the > >case of treating chldren for such things as ADHD etc. > > There are 'globalization imperatives' but there is no point > elaborating on that; there never was much discussion and now it's > too late. (feel like you need an SSRI now?) > > That ADHD business started here more than twenty years ago. There > was a 'famous' but now forgotten incident in Omaha (Nebraska) in I > think 1975 (not completely sure of the date) where kids that were > deemed 'unruly' and 'diagnosed' with terms like "The hyperkinetic > syndrome" or "Minimal brain dysfunction" or "Minimal brain damage" > but mostly it was simply called "hyperactive." > > After many of the teachers at the Omaha schools (primary grades pre > 12 year old) were given 'talks' by representatives of drug > companies, or were briefed by other staff members who had heard the > talks, teachers started giving out pills (supplied by the companies > as samples) to several thousand Omaha students, almost all boys. > These pills were similar in content to "speed" They were either > amphetamines or Ritalin which has a similar effect. Although these > pills have a dramatic stimulant effect on adults, they seem to have > an opposite effect on hyperactive prepubescent boys. > > A report in "Science Digest" in 1976 reported that drugged > schoolchildren were a fact of life in hundreds of American school > systems. The most commonly mentioned estimate (then) was 500,000 to > 2,000,000 school pupils who were on amphetamines or Ritalin. > > "Hyperactive" is now called ADHD and is a respectable medically > recognized 'syndrome.' and therefore routinely treated with Ritalin, > with amphetamines getting dropped from the lexicon due to it's being > listed among the 'bad' drugs in the "war on drugs." (an expensive > and unsuccessful government program costing millions of dollars > annually) > > I hope in NZ you as a nation are 'smarter' and not so easily herded > along by the public opinion machinery that works so well here. > > >Are there are any stats on the use of > >medications among Beekeepers ? > > I think beekeepers are rather plodding and ponderous like farmers in > general, and probably not prone to getting too excited or worried > about their image or fall prey to the pressures of fashion or the > lure of advertising that would invite them to feel less complete in > some way. Beekeepers know for instance that greed is pointless. I > know after I see a paid political announcement or catch the end of > some 'infomercial' selling a product that will add inches to my > penis in just three weeks, I reach of the "Wild Turkey" (a Kentucky > bourbon whiskey) and pour myself a double shot. > > >I think there is a distinct possibility that Beekeeping, > >in itself, is a medication for the senses. > > How right you are Carmen..as I've said before, beekeepers are like > saints, born and not made; when a person realizes he or she is of > the chosen there can be nothing else for it..spring comes, the blood > rises, the bees are flying and a sense of well being returns. > > It's as the Buddha said, all life is suffering. > > C.K. Souds like you guys got it all figured out pretty straight My bees keep me alive Frank Article 30917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 14 Jan 2002 12:48:39 GMT References: <96F7C2D2570C948B.4CE7FF5A551D7ECE.1E52182019DD4729@lp.airnews.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Why is my honey still granulated Message-ID: <20020114074839.13103.00005835@mb-fe.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30917 112 was not warm enough Article 30918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "éÓÔÏÍÉÎ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit,sci.agriculture.poultry,sci.agriculture.ratites,ukr.commerce,ukr.commerce.auto,ukr.commerce.chemical,ukr.commerce.construction,ukr.commerce.energy Subject: ëÁÐ.ÒÅÍÏÎÔ ÔÒÁËÔÏÒÏ× É ÚÁÐÞÁÓÔÉ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 16:29:00 +0200 Organization: user from ELVISTI Lines: 45 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: acc7-212.dialup.elvisti.kiev.ua X-Trace: app0.visti.net 1011278189 60566 195.64.228.212 (17 Jan 2002 14:36:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@app0.visti.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jan 2002 14:36:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!iad-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!carrier.kiev.ua!info.elvisti.kiev.ua!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture:65307 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30918 sci.agriculture.fruit:4120 sci.agriculture.poultry:33669 sci.agriculture.ratites:1784 ëïííåòþåóëïå ðòåäìïöåîéå õ÷áöáåíùå çïóðïäá!!! ÷ÁÛÅÍÕ ×ÎÉÍÁÎÉÀ ÐÒÅÄÌÁÇÁÅÍ, ÐÏ ÎÉÚËÉÍ ÃÅÎÁÍ, ÚÁÐÁÓÎÙÅ ÞÁÓÔÉ ÄÌÑ Á×ÔÏÔÒÁËÔÏÒÎÏÊ ÔÅÈÎÉËÉ É ÓÅÌØÓËÏÈÏÚÑÊÓÔ×ÅÎÎÙÈ ÍÁÛÉÎ × ÁÓÓÏÒÔÉÍÅÎÔÅ: - ÒÁÓÐÒÅÄÅÌÉÔÅÌÉ ÇÉÄÒÁ×ÌÉÞÅÓËÉÅ; - ÎÁÓÏÓ îû ×ÓÅÈ ÍÏÄÉÆÉËÁÃÉÊ; - ÇÉÄÒÏÃÉÌÉÎÄÒÙ; - ÔÕÒÂÏËÏÍÐÒÅÓÓÏÒÁ; - ÔÏÐÌÉ×ÎÙÅ ÎÁÓÏÓÙ; - ÐÁÒÁ ÐÌÕÎÖÅÒÎÁÑ; - ÒÕËÏ×Á ×ÙÓÏËÏÇÏ ÄÁ×ÌÅÎÉÑ; - ÒÕÌÅ×ÏÅ ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÅ; - ÓÃÅÐÌÅÎÉÅ; - ÐÕÓÔÏ×ÙÅ Ä×ÉÇÁÔÅÌÉ (ËÏÍÐÌÅËÔÕÀÝÉÅ Ë ÎÉÍ); - ×ÏÄÑÎÉÅ ÎÁÓÏÓÙ; - ËÏÍÐÌÅËÔÕÀÝÉÅ ëðð É ÍÎÏÇÏÅ ÄÒÕÇÏÅ. - ÇÉÎÅÒÁÔÏÒÙ; - ÓÔÁÒÔÅÒÙ; - ËÏÍÐÒÅÓÏÒÁ; òÅÍËÏÍÐÌÅËÔÙ. 1. ðÏÄ ÚÁËÁÚ ÎÏ×ÙÅ ÔÒÁËÔÏÒÁ(ô-170,ô-130), ÂÕÌØÄÏÚÅÒÙ(ô-170), ÔÒÕÂÏÕËÌÁÄÞÉËÉ(ôÒ-12.01.01), ÐÏÇÒÕÚÞÉËÉ(ôï 40), Á×ÔÏÇÒÅÊÄÅÒÁ(äú-98÷.1). 2. ðÏÓÌÅ ËÁÐ. 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Article 30919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Clark" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 'The Insect Classifieds' Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <8cp28.10018$X4.740285@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:38:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.246.179 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1011490692 209.179.246.179 (Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:38:12 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:38:12 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 17:38:10 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30919 For all your insect needs: http://www.insectnet.com/cgi/classifieds/classifieds.cgi Article 30920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "ELScofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Terramycin Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:02:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.9.76.193 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 1011265372 216.9.76.193 (Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:02:52 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:02:52 EST Organization: Pinnacle Online (pinn.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30920 I just received some Pfizer Terramycin Soluble Powder ( 6.4 oz.) and it's light brown to cream color. In the past the Terra I've always used has been bright yellow but I don't remember the brand. I am concerened it may have been stored at high temperature and don't know it's proper color. The Pfizer site was no help. Thanks, Ernie Scofield Virginia Beach USA Article 30921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: sharp7@mailops.com (Jim Sharp) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: carnolian or italian Reply-To: sharp7@mailops.com Message-ID: <3c4c1997.300834984@news.verizon.net> References: <20020121082419.03302.00000295@mb-cr.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 18 X-Trace: /wLwTfHxv+LjFaKQNnywyl4duqGNFBYyDUCzYjkQUDZqfEkd+rP2KZRBF8sHGnsdEHDJxQFh4W9g!DGC3yDDRli7a4mD9ZGuK4OjjLv/eUni7+bgIF6edLa+ujDRxEu3os0l5kQrv9qUOFqpqoqEH X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:40:21 GMT Distribution: world Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:40:21 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!131.119.28.146!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!paloalto-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30921 Try this webpage: http://members.aol.com/queenb95/ - Glenn Apiaries Jim On 21 Jan 2002 13:24:19 GMT, potents@aol.com (POTENTS) wrote: >can anyone tell me where i can see pics of the different types of honeybee. > >I have seen a feral colony and cannot decide what type they are. > >Anyone got pics of the different types, are there any other ways of telling? > >cheers >Pete Article 30922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Jan 2002 13:16:20 GMT References: <1_M28.25492$TC1.2201714@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Jewelweed Message-ID: <20020121081620.17231.00003332@mb-bg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30922 Jewellweed tends to take over in moist areas and holds it's own against most other plants. Usually the bees come back striped with pollen when they work it but it would take a lot of it to flavor the honey. I have not noticed any odd taste yet. I wonder if sweet pepper bush(Clethra) grows up your way? Article 30923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Jan 2002 13:24:19 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: carnolian or italian Message-ID: <20020121082419.03302.00000295@mb-cr.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30923 can anyone tell me where i can see pics of the different types of honeybee. I have seen a feral colony and cannot decide what type they are. Anyone got pics of the different types, are there any other ways of telling? cheers Pete Article 30924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fmfnni@hongkong.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ãä­Ó¦³ª±¶} ALE (²ß§Þ­»´ä) English ??? Date: 21 Jan 2002 17:29:09 GMT Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 61.18.32.150 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!bassoon.!rain.i-cable.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30924 Ãä­Ó¦³ª±¶} ALE (²ß§Þ­»´ä¦³­­¤½¥q) English¡A¦³µL¤H·Q§ë¶D¡A·Q°h¿ú¡C E-mail:¡y§Ú¥iÀ°§A¡Gale_complain@hongkong.com¡z Article 30925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3c4b9146.24281705@news> Subject: Re: Jewelweed Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1_M28.25492$TC1.2201714@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 22:41:33 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-0A11pB2z3A3AGMWh5zTM0r39Qb8559/o/ZX0dEmvtC+MiEBLfpB30VylEz3akBbnd4LyJeebeJTdf+C!uSxbFc/d/U5+5S6QtpvK0/x6WJ9iGnTpJPt8WPzNhGq8WrZra1OU4Vf3py8thp3G2PY8ExEuY+w0!PeeAYihRc5UOY/Pq X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:41:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30925 > Has anyone noticed an "aftertaste" in honey bees produced from the > nectar of Jewelweed? I have heard that bees love this plant, but have > reservations from planting it. > > Brian > Scullion Family > Vancouver Island > Canada > Yo Brian: Jewelweed has recently been added to the restricted plant/seed list here in Wash. state, although it is not listed on the noxious weed list on the state web page as yet. From what I have been able to observe the bees aren't able to access the nectar due to the shape of the blossom. Can't comment on any "aftertaste" since as far as I know I have never harvested any honey from that plant. Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 30926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Wallace" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee candy Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:27:21 -0800 Organization: Info Avenue Internet Services, LLC Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.144.202.207 X-Trace: news3.infoave.net 1011673426 169194 207.144.202.207 (22 Jan 2002 04:23:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@infoave.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 04:23:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!skynet.be!skynet.be!news.infoave.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30926 There was a web site on how to make bee candy I lost it can someone tell me the address again thankyou Article 30927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:58:08 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 152 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p36.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011673193 21733 203.96.192.36 (22 Jan 2002 04:19:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jan 2002 04:19:53 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30927 Hi Charlie Interesting post !!!! I haven't visted s.a.b for a few days so have only just read your post. I started a reply but have a meeting to attend in about 1/2 an hour, so will return to reply soon Regards Carmen Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:rv4h4u4u5tqu5tcah9livq22jqe1743p62@4ax.com... > >I just did a websearch on > >SSRIand found out what it is > >"selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) " > >Wow what a twist to this thread. > > Nice one Carmen I detect overt signs of intelligence and initiative. > > >You say most americans are on them, > >Things are that bad huh ? > > No one really knows but the manufacturers of the drugs, but their > profits are really high. Even so it is a constant topic of > conversation in diverse media, so conclusions may be drawn. > > There's a gap between television's depiction of society and the real > one. One here sees lots of advertisements on television for drugs, > the kind you have to "ask your doctor about." including the SSRI's > you've mentioned. I know at least that before the FDA (Federal Drug > Administration) had always banned such public advertising of > prescription drugs, but recently all that's changed, and the drug > companies predictably have made huge almost 'windfall' profits since > the campaigns have begun. As every American knows, It pays to > advertise. > > There is 'token' controversy over one of the major television > networks (NBC) deciding to air 'hard liquor' advertisements along > with all the other ads and to include the drug ads already > mentioned. Corporations now are getting tax laws and public money > they desire in a new type of social parasitism that makes the old > welfare rolls that would include say a single mother with a > dependant child, look microscopic by comparison. > > Another interesting point about NBC is that 'they' are owned by > Westinghouse, another awfully big corporation and a leading 'player' > in the "military industrial complex" an evil thing that president > Eisenhower warned us about just before leaving the whitehouse in > 1960 > > Corporations all over the world now and that includes N.Z. want to > be left alone to make money at all cost as in an unregulated a way > as they can dream up. This goal has already been realized in the > U.S. due to an uninformed and apathetic electorate where only around > the forty percentile of eligible voters now turn out for a general > election, and those that do vote, vote alone ideological and party > lines, as real issues are avoided, while advertising agencies are > hired to create emotional points and images it is thought the voters > will remember. That's all it is. > > >I have seen articles in various locations about the > >'medication industry' which thrives in the US and indicates the propensity > >of Americans to seek medications for such ailments. > > What can one say, it's the evil. No one ever ask 'why' someone may > want to take a mood altering drug; the fact that millions in fact do > take both legal and illegal drugs of this kind, never predisposes to > assume there might be something wrong in a society or culture where > the majority do well at the expense of everyone else. (read > worldwide) Even so, the 'majority' is growing ever smaller. However > as long as whatever it is that makes people nuts is allowed to > continue, the drug business both illegal and legal, will thrive > consistently. > > As a 'Kiwi' yourself and to be topical shall we call it the works of > "Sauron." where the methods of the dark one can create any image it > wishes, or sway what's left of 'public opinion' any way it wants. > > >As far as I am aware NZ'ers aren't so predisposed, although indications are > >that things are heading that way among the population, particularly in the > >case of treating chldren for such things as ADHD etc. > > There are 'globalization imperatives' but there is no point > elaborating on that; there never was much discussion and now it's > too late. (feel like you need an SSRI now?) > > That ADHD business started here more than twenty years ago. There > was a 'famous' but now forgotten incident in Omaha (Nebraska) in I > think 1975 (not completely sure of the date) where kids that were > deemed 'unruly' and 'diagnosed' with terms like "The hyperkinetic > syndrome" or "Minimal brain dysfunction" or "Minimal brain damage" > but mostly it was simply called "hyperactive." > > After many of the teachers at the Omaha schools (primary grades pre > 12 year old) were given 'talks' by representatives of drug > companies, or were briefed by other staff members who had heard the > talks, teachers started giving out pills (supplied by the companies > as samples) to several thousand Omaha students, almost all boys. > These pills were similar in content to "speed" They were either > amphetamines or Ritalin which has a similar effect. Although these > pills have a dramatic stimulant effect on adults, they seem to have > an opposite effect on hyperactive prepubescent boys. > > A report in "Science Digest" in 1976 reported that drugged > schoolchildren were a fact of life in hundreds of American school > systems. The most commonly mentioned estimate (then) was 500,000 to > 2,000,000 school pupils who were on amphetamines or Ritalin. > > "Hyperactive" is now called ADHD and is a respectable medically > recognized 'syndrome.' and therefore routinely treated with Ritalin, > with amphetamines getting dropped from the lexicon due to it's being > listed among the 'bad' drugs in the "war on drugs." (an expensive > and unsuccessful government program costing millions of dollars > annually) > > I hope in NZ you as a nation are 'smarter' and not so easily herded > along by the public opinion machinery that works so well here. > > >Are there are any stats on the use of > >medications among Beekeepers ? > > I think beekeepers are rather plodding and ponderous like farmers in > general, and probably not prone to getting too excited or worried > about their image or fall prey to the pressures of fashion or the > lure of advertising that would invite them to feel less complete in > some way. Beekeepers know for instance that greed is pointless. I > know after I see a paid political announcement or catch the end of > some 'infomercial' selling a product that will add inches to my > penis in just three weeks, I reach of the "Wild Turkey" (a Kentucky > bourbon whiskey) and pour myself a double shot. > > >I think there is a distinct possibility that Beekeeping, > >in itself, is a medication for the senses. > > How right you are Carmen..as I've said before, beekeepers are like > saints, born and not made; when a person realizes he or she is of > the chosen there can be nothing else for it..spring comes, the blood > rises, the bees are flying and a sense of well being returns. > > It's as the Buddha said, all life is suffering. > > C.K. > > > Article 30928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I've just returned from the AHPA convention -- and further adventures Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 09:52:59 -0700 Lines: 70 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-5.internode.net (198.161.229.181) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011718392 34668472 198.161.229.181 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-5.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30928 I've just returned from the AHPA convention -- and further adventures -- and I offer my notes to the group. Halfway through the AHPA meeting I realised that things were going in one ear and out the other, so I started taking notes. Here are my rough notes from the AHPA meeting cut & pasted from my Palm. Questions welcome: --- Dr. Jay Evans Beltsville Beetles AFB Genes Gene expression & identify queen characteristics Dr. Jose Yilla - Baton Rouge TM susceptibility common in USA Commercial bees. Some suppliers are much better than others. Breeders should be testing their queen mothers Patti Elzen-Westlaco -Apistan & Formic promising -Coumaphos resistance confirmed in Fla with David Westervelt -SHB problems are much worse in hives treated with grease patties -Planning to work more on nutrition John Harbo -30 pupae purple eye - count reproductive mites calc %-described on a colony level -res x ctrl are 1/2 way between res & ctrl with some variation -Trait appears to be additive -Is SMR related to poor brood production? 100% SMR have poor brood. But 1st& subsequent crosses seem OK. 75% is OK. 70% SMR seems ideal. -SMR takes 6 weeks to show up in a colony after new queen begins work. Jeff Harris -Russian crosses with other stock may not retain R characteristics Tom Rinderer -Russian queens have good tracheal & varroa resistance. Can go years w/o treatment Gordon Wardell -co-operative research -Naturally Occuring Products -oil of origano in a slow release strip 94% drop over 6 wks -Several oils at 1% levels can prevent CB Eric Erickson -Tucson bringing out several mite control products in the next few years -Emphasis on IPM -Varroa natural tolerance is masked by chemicals -Very low Varroa counts in Leonard's colonies -Cross contamination from non-tolerant neighbouring hives both managed & feral -Susceptibility to varroa is declining rapidly -Natural products will help in an IPM -New research direction. Partnerships with technical small businesses -Tucson will not close for the foreseeable future --- Following the AHPA meeting we were invited to drop by Lusbys place and we spent a few fascinating days there. We also attended a Southern Arizona Bee meeting and got a chance to meet several more BEE-L members. I've posted some pictures at http://photos.yahoo.com/allendick and in my diary. I'm working on fleshing this all out on my diary site (below). It may take a while to complete. allen http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Article 30929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee candy Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:14:57 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.32.36.e5 X-Server-Date: 22 Jan 2002 23:19:06 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30929 I'm not sure if my web site is the particular one in question, but I do have recipes for making fondant which is bee candy. You can find it at: www.ingenbees.com/fondant.htm. Pete (Christopher Petree) Article 30930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Lines: 17 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:13:13 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-K3jRU1cWj+bg+E3rTO7JOulxJlVgWz0BvnPze0yrzSiXDpahRO46qqhAWQQZCxKysSUgKZydT2WLr51!9IsCimMRj5a9XeZDh7Lg1zcu69v07X4fNoDZBt2zEXzEZ8kA1U04K3BJFBXT1iAta4xXnuU/dJI6!L/eEqIBejgqV8N1aVQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:13:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp.abs.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30930 This web site might help. http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/research/honey.htm Mark "Gazza" wrote in message news:1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au... > Hi > > I am also after help in how to make creamed honey, so if anyone can tell me > how to make creamed homney it would be very much appreciated > > > Article 30931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:04:00 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3c4dfe20$0$242$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.54 X-Trace: 1011744903 dread04.news.tele.dk 242 195.215.97.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.162.153.118!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30931 because it cost me money to receive this newsgroup, and I expect to receive stuff related to beekeeping. You are welcome to put in a joke but I cannot guarantee that I understand it because of my language limitation. -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 15-01-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 30932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:44:03 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3c4dfe20$0$242$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p59.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011747924 7209 203.96.192.59 (23 Jan 2002 01:05:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 2002 01:05:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30932 Jorn Johanesson wrote in message news:3c4dfe20$0$242$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk... > because it cost me money to receive this newsgroup, and I expect to receive > stuff related to beekeeping. You are welcome to put in a joke but I cannot > guarantee that I understand it because of my language limitation. > > -- > Best regards > Jorn Johanesson > well that is not very nice is it ? you seem to mainly use this ng for advertising software, your last post here was way back in september las year and you conveniently pop in on a thread that apparently atempts to censure another poster. what is that ? Carmen Article 30933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Tom S" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Safety with PDB-ed combs Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:48:34 -0800 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.64.68.27!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsfeed.online.be!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30933 While checking my stacked empty deeps, I happened to notice that one of them has some honey in the outboard frames. I have stored these deeps with PDB crystals on the top in order to keep wax moths at bay, per the usual procedure.' I was curious as to what I should do about the frames that have honey in them. I know that you should air out the PDB-ed boxes for a day or two before putting them back on the hives, but what about those frames with honey? Will airing out the capped honey for a couple days be good enough to prevent problems for my bees when I return these deeps to the apiary? Do I have to clean out the frames and put in new foundation? Or do I just want to be sure not to put them back on a smaller colony, due to "possible" losses? TIA for any advice. Tom Monroe, WA Article 30934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Hive Tool 2.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 08:56:53 -0700 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-5.internode.net (198.161.229.181) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011628604 34757964 198.161.229.181 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-5.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30934 > The Hive Tool can be found at > http://www.beekeepers.homestead.com/opening.html This URL gives me the message: --- Thank you for visiting this Homestead Web site. We can't find the page you requested. Please check to make sure that you typed the correct address, or try searching our Directory of member sites. --- allen Article 30935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Hive Tool 2.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 11:53:52 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011632034 35007057 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30935 Sorry, Allen it looks like my provider is doing service. You might want to give it a shot later. I know I have been able to hit it on and off this morning! If you can't get the program I can send it to you directly! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/ "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:a2hdnr$114nac$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > The Hive Tool can be found at > > http://www.beekeepers.homestead.com/opening.html > > This URL gives me the message: > --- > Thank you for visiting this Homestead Web site. We can't find the page you > requested. Please check to make sure that you typed the correct address, or > try searching our Directory of member sites. > --- > allen > > > Article 30936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Jan 2002 19:35:49 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Jar lids Message-ID: <20020121143549.22706.00003036@mb-mi.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30936 What size lid fits a standard mason jar? I am looking through the Betterbee catalog and lids are shown in mm Article 30937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Jar lids Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:30:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3c4c9654.1696432@news1.radix.net> References: <20020121143549.22706.00003036@mb-mi.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p27.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30937 On 21 Jan 2002 19:35:49 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >What size lid fits a standard mason jar? >I am looking through the Betterbee catalog and lids are shown in mm > A standard "G" mason lid is 70mm. W.T. Kelley sells them. beekeep Article 30938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Jan 2002 14:01:22 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: poser Message-ID: <20020123090122.29870.00000007@mb-fs.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30938 A friend of mine has a strain of bees i would like to get my hands on. but he lives a long way away. Anyone got any good ideas how to introduce his bees to mine without making loads of journeys, transporting whole hives of bees etc. cheers. Article 30939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poser Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com> References: <20020123090122.29870.00000007@mb-fs.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:11:16 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1011795081 80.1.219.11 (Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:11:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:11:21 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-x2.support.nl!news.worldonline.nl!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!194.6.79.69.MISMATCH!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30939 On 23 Jan 2002 14:01:22 GMT, potents@aol.com (POTENTS) wrote: >A friend of mine has a strain of bees i would like to get my hands on. >but he lives a long way away. > >Anyone got any good ideas how to introduce his bees to mine without making >loads of journeys, transporting whole hives of bees etc. >cheers. When his bees are preparing to swarm, take a couple of ripe queen cells. Destroy your own queen, stick the q.cells into a comb, and wait. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:55:14 -0700 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011693346 35074829 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30940 > ...I started a reply but have a meeting to attend in about 1/2 an hour, so will > return to reply soon... I'm hoping the reply is mostly about bees and beekeeping. allen Article 30941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:31:26 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 281 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p42.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011693196 26592 203.96.192.170 (22 Jan 2002 09:53:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jan 2002 09:53:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!usenet.net.nz!203.96.216.22!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30941 Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:rv4h4u4u5tqu5tcah9livq22jqe1743p62@4ax.com... > >I just did a websearch on > >SSRIand found out what it is > >"selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) " > >Wow what a twist to this thread. > > Nice one Carmen I detect overt signs of intelligence and initiative. hehe yeah if anything it gets me in a lot of trouble !!! someone on the web says a term i haven't seen before i do a search am confronted with 1,000's of websites, information explosion, brain implodes :) Charlie This would have to be one of the more interesting posts I have read for some time I haven't visited s.a.b for a few days so almost missed it > >You say most americans are on them, > >Things are that bad huh ? > > No one really knows but the manufacturers of the drugs, but their > profits are really high. Even so it is a constant topic of > conversation in diverse media, so conclusions may be drawn. Something relatively unrelated, I was watching a news item on the warriors of Afghanistan recently, the country has been plagued with war for decades and the comment was that there are many suffering with extreme cases of battle fatigue and complex psycological problems related to their wars and living conditions. Living in a country that is by comparison easier lifestyle with many choices and the popular opinion here is that the US is land of priviledge and plenty it really gives cause to consider the propensity to apparently over medicate. > There's a gap between television's depiction of society and the real > one. Which relates to my comment above about the popular perception of the US being a land of priviledge and plenty. >One here sees lots of advertisements on television for drugs, > the kind you have to "ask your doctor about." including the SSRI's > you've mentioned. I know at least that before the FDA (Federal Drug > Administration) had always banned such public advertising of > prescription drugs, but recently all that's changed, and the drug > companies predictably have made huge almost 'windfall' profits since > the campaigns have begun. As every American knows, It pays to > advertise. Wow ! A frightful indictment I guess that would have the effect of marketing to the masses ideas that the drugs being advertised are necessary to improve one's life. Personally I think in many cases a teaspoon of honey would be a more adequate recovery plan. :) That has recently started here television ads on pills to lose weight be more virile etc > There is 'token' controversy over one of the major television > networks (NBC) deciding to air 'hard liquor' advertisements along > with all the other ads and to include the drug ads already > mentioned. Booze has been advertised here for years. > Corporations now are getting tax laws and public money > they desire in a new type of social parasitism that makes the old > welfare rolls that would include say a single mother with a > dependant child, look microscopic by comparison. > > Another interesting point about NBC is that 'they' are owned by > Westinghouse, another awfully big corporation and a leading 'player' > in the "military industrial complex" an evil thing that president > Eisenhower warned us about just before leaving the whitehouse in > 1960 Westinghouse haven't heard of that I have just had a brainstorm :) I will do a websearch LOL > Corporations all over the world now and that includes N.Z. want to > be left alone to make money at all cost as in an unregulated a way > as they can dream up. This goal has already been realized in the > U.S. due to an uninformed and apathetic electorate where only around > the forty percentile of eligible voters now turn out for a general > election, and those that do vote, vote alone ideological and party > lines, as real issues are avoided, while advertising agencies are > hired to create emotional points and images it is thought the voters > will remember. That's all it is. Perhaps by comparison NZ'ers are rasonably politcally aware. Perhaps there some sort of relationship between advertising hard liquor / medications and political apathy :) > >I have seen articles in various locations about the > >'medication industry' which thrives in the US and indicates the propensity > >of Americans to seek medications for such ailments. > > What can one say, it's the evil. No one ever ask 'why' someone may > want to take a mood altering drug; the fact that millions in fact do > take both legal and illegal drugs of this kind, never predisposes to > assume there might be something wrong in a society or culture where > the majority do well at the expense of everyone else. (read > worldwide) Even so, the 'majority' is growing ever smaller. However > as long as whatever it is that makes people nuts is allowed to > continue, the drug business both illegal and legal, will thrive > consistently. > > As a 'Kiwi' yourself and to be topical shall we call it the works of > "Sauron." where the methods of the dark one can create any image it > wishes, or sway what's left of 'public opinion' any way it wants. hehe I haven't yet seen Lord of the Rings had to do another websearch to find what a "Sauron" is > >As far as I am aware NZ'ers aren't so predisposed, although indications are > >that things are heading that way among the population, particularly in the > >case of treating chldren for such things as ADHD etc. > > There are 'globalization imperatives' but there is no point > elaborating on that; there never was much discussion and now it's > too late. (feel like you need an SSRI now?) hehe not really, I'll pass on the SSRI's perhaps a tsp of honey in my hot chocolate instead > That ADHD business started here more than twenty years ago. There > was a 'famous' but now forgotten incident in Omaha (Nebraska) in I > think 1975 (not completely sure of the date) where kids that were > deemed 'unruly' and 'diagnosed' with terms like "The hyperkinetic > syndrome" or "Minimal brain dysfunction" or "Minimal brain damage" > but mostly it was simply called "hyperactive." > > After many of the teachers at the Omaha schools (primary grades pre > 12 year old) were given 'talks' by representatives of drug > companies, or were briefed by other staff members who had heard the > talks, teachers started giving out pills (supplied by the companies > as samples) to several thousand Omaha students, almost all boys. > These pills were similar in content to "speed" They were either > amphetamines or Ritalin which has a similar effect. Although these > pills have a dramatic stimulant effect on adults, they seem to have > an opposite effect on hyperactive prepubescent boys. Teachers gave out pills ..? you're kidding me surely if that were to happen here there would be a huge outcry of objections !!! > A report in "Science Digest" in 1976 reported that drugged > schoolchildren were a fact of life in hundreds of American school > systems. The most commonly mentioned estimate (then) was 500,000 to > 2,000,000 school pupils who were on amphetamines or Ritalin. Good grief !! Sounds like behaviour modification in the worst case scenario ! > "Hyperactive" is now called ADHD and is a respectable medically > recognized 'syndrome.' and therefore routinely treated with Ritalin, > with amphetamines getting dropped from the lexicon due to it's being > listed among the 'bad' drugs in the "war on drugs." (an expensive > and unsuccessful government program costing millions of dollars > annually) Surely there are many other aspects that should be looked at first rather than (what sounds like) wholesale prescription of drugs. > I hope in NZ you as a nation are 'smarter' and not so easily herded > along by the public opinion machinery that works so well >here. I think it fair to say that we aren't, as a nation, that easily herded, many kiwis often look for their own solutions, regardless of popular opinion. Although many here are succumbing to high pressure lifestyles, brought on by corporatisation and pressure to attain, perhaps, unrealistic goals, which in many cases compromise lifestyle choices and things such as quality leisure time become forfeit. However, there is still much discussion goes on over the garden fences so to speak and while people are still talking, and communicating various alternatives, seeking solutions and problem solving, the negative effects may be cushioned. In that respect maintaining strong networks is a key principle. > >Are there are any stats on the use of > >medications among Beekeepers ? > > I think beekeepers are rather plodding and ponderous like farmers in > general, and probably not prone to getting too excited or worried > about their image or fall prey to the pressures of fashion or the > lure of advertising that would invite them to feel less complete in > some way. That is a very good point Charlie. "Plodding and Ponderous" are lovely terms !! :) Love it ! There is a certain knowledge also comes with beekeeping, watching how the communities of bees work together toward postive collective outcomes is a valuable learning process !! and we all know it takes time to ripen great honey, no point trying to rush the process :) > Beekeepers know for instance that greed is pointless. I > know after I see a paid political announcement or catch the end of > some 'infomercial' selling a product that will add inches to my > penis in just three weeks, I reach of the "Wild Turkey" (a Kentucky > bourbon whiskey) and pour myself a double shot. LOL How many inches does that add? > >I think there is a distinct possibility that Beekeeping, > >in itself, is a medication for the senses. > > How right you are Carmen..as I've said before, beekeepers are like > saints, born and not made; when a person realizes he or she is of > the chosen there can be nothing else for it..spring comes, the blood > rises, the bees are flying and a sense of well being returns. Yeah lovely !! You're certainly on to something there, I have a distinct feeling of wellbeing after visiting hives and have often wondered whether others experience that same type of euphoria. I have given some thought to where that sense of euphoric wellbeing might come from, I have considered whether it is from adrenalin, ie perhaps the adrenals are stimulated by the sense that a rogue bee may find it's way into the Beesuit to do the damage LOL Or whether there is some kind of endorphine activity going on, or whether it is merely from all the sweat that pours off, coz it gets damn hot in the beesuit when the sun is high in the peak of mid-afternoon. However, I have serious reason to doubt that it is adrenalin, because I know too well the effects of adrenalin. Do you ever get a sense when you go into the hive that you somehow become one with the hive? That seems to occur when the hive is in the peak of honey flow and the bees aren't seriously attacking, there is something almost magic about the vibration from the hum, perhaps that has some influence on our physiology which stimulates the sense of wellbeing. I am also of the opinion that it has to do with the smell of the hive, in particular propolis, perhaps in some way aroma therapy. LOL I was sniffing a cup of propolis recently which I had collected a while back wonderful stuff LOL To think that some people sniff solvents for euphoria, when propolis is far more pleasant > It's as the Buddha said, all life is suffering. all life, you think so ? Carmen Article 30942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:34:01 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p42.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011693323 26708 203.96.192.170 (22 Jan 2002 09:55:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 22 Jan 2002 09:55:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30942 Allen Dick wrote in message news:a2jcv1$11ecod$1@ID-58605.news.dfncis.de... > > ...I started a reply but have a meeting to attend in about 1/2 an hour, so > will > > return to reply soon... > > I'm hoping the reply is mostly about bees and beekeeping. > > allen > why? Article 30943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Safety with PDB-ed combs Date: 23 Jan 2002 08:18:35 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: <993fd181.0201230818.16efee91@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011802716 19343 127.0.0.1 (23 Jan 2002 16:18:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 2002 16:18:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30943 "> > I was curious as to what I should do about the frames that have honey in > them. I know that you should air out the PDB-ed boxes for a day or two > before putting them back on the hives, but what about those frames with > honey? Will airing out the capped honey for a couple days be good enough to > prevent problems for my bees when I return these deeps to the apiary? > > Do I have to clean out the frames and put in new foundation? Or do I just > want to be sure not to put them back on a smaller colony, due to "possible" > losses? > > TIA for any advice. > > Tom > Monroe, WA Shouldnt be any problem if these combs are incorporated into the brood nest.Dead hives w/honey are often protected w/pdb,then re-stocked the following season.But make sure the honey is used up or robbed out before any surplus is added if the deeps are used as honey supers,to keep any residues out of your crop. -Mike Article 30944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Safety with PDB-ed combs Date: 23 Jan 2002 07:30:28 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.171.243.159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011799829 17927 127.0.0.1 (23 Jan 2002 15:30:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 2002 15:30:29 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30944 Howdy Tom -- I have never had trouble with putting empty combs or honey back on hives after airing out the PDB for a couple of days. Even extracted honey from stored supers have shown no off-odor or off-taste when I used it myself. Putting it on the market may be a different situation. Pete Article 30945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poser Date: 24 Jan 2002 16:51:58 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 35 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0201241651.4e8bff92@posting.google.com> References: <20020123090122.29870.00000007@mb-fs.aol.com> <32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.50.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1011919919 5971 127.0.0.1 (25 Jan 2002 00:51:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 2002 00:51:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30945 I would agree that this may be the easiest way to do it. Be aware that even with the new queen(s) mating at your friend's yard, you still may get a hybrid strain. (You don't have much control over where the drones come from.) If the mating were to occur at your yard you'd most certainly get hybrids. Nuc. > Hi Jaf > I realised after I pressed the send button that I may have read your post > wrong, re-reading my reply it was unclear also. > To avoid the queen mating with the bees in your yard, I would take of a nuc > or perhaps several and create a new mini-hive or hives at your friends site, > using 4-5 frames with ripe queen cells, brood, bees and ample food. > > All going well, the ripe queen cells should hatch and the queen/s take their > mating flights at your friends beeyard. > > Once you see that the queens are laying well in the nucs and there is a lot > of brood developing, then it will be easier to transport home the smaller > mini hives to unite with your existing hives, removing your existing queens > or > alternatively you can take home just the frames with the new brood and the > queens. > > Unite those frames with your hives, removing your queens, and leave the > frames that are excess to your requirements > (ie those ones with no brood) to be reunited with your friends hives. > If you are unable to travel to the site to observe that the nucs are > developing in the desired way, then perhaps your friend could be watchful on > the development of the nucs, the new queens and their laying progress. > Likely if you asked a million beekeepers you'd get a million different > answers > :) > Carmen Article 30946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3c4dfe20$0$242$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:46:20 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3c4e9572$0$89121$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.215.97.36 X-Trace: 1011783026 dread01.news.tele.dk 89121 195.215.97.36 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newshunter!cosy.sbg.ac.at!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30946 Sorry that it had this effect, but you asked why? and I just gave you my opinion. It was in no way intended as an insult. I am in no way trying to play boss here. even I am not writing much here any more, I am still reading the stuff coming in, because I am interested in what is going on in the beekeeping world in all countries. But as a no english spoken person, it sometimes is hard to sort things out. I will not answer more messages in this thread, but you are very welcome to follow up in e-mail -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 15-01-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French,Spanish,English home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 30947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:45:05 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 21 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30947 > Let the honey granulate in the bulk containers, after straining and skimming > off the froth. The harder the granulation the better. Then slice out > chunks of the hard granulated honey and feed them through a household > electric meat grinder. Even a small one will process a lot of honey at a > good pace. Run the honey directly into jars. But it's not 'creamed honey' and in due course will granulate hard again. I would be peeved off, paying extra and getting chewed up granulated. If you're going to 'do' a job, do it properly. Regards Dave.. -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 30948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poser Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:16:16 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <20020123090122.29870.00000007@mb-fs.aol.com> <32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8.hn1.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011897428 11328 203.96.192.8 (24 Jan 2002 18:37:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jan 2002 18:37:08 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!usenet.net.nz!203.96.216.22!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30948 JAF wrote in message news:o89u4usn94on9r4rtlsknrnq4jrg3ttf8n@4ax.com... > On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:51:24 +1300, "Carmen" snip > >If you insinuating that the bees in the distant hives would swarm to where > >the ripe queen cells are moved to, > >that wouldn't work, > >the bees in the distant hives wouldn't be oriented to > >travel to where the ripe queen cells are placed. > >I would take off a nucleus and start a new colony > > > >Carmen > > > The bees in the distant hive stay where they are. > Just two queen cells are taken. 1 to be the new queen, and 1 to be on > the safe side. They can be attached to the face of a comb. The old > queen will have been destroyed, the bees may try to start a new queen > or two, but one of the cells' occupants will emerge and destroy any > others. But as 'potents' pointed out, she will mate with the resident > drones, so there'll be no advantage. > The nucleus would seem to be the best way to go, to get a new, mated > queen. > > -- > jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk > ne cede malis Hi Jaf I realised after I pressed the send button that I may have read your post wrong, re-reading my reply it was unclear also. To avoid the queen mating with the bees in your yard, I would take of a nuc or perhaps several and create a new mini-hive or hives at your friends site, using 4-5 frames with ripe queen cells, brood, bees and ample food. All going well, the ripe queen cells should hatch and the queen/s take their mating flights at your friends beeyard. Once you see that the queens are laying well in the nucs and there is a lot of brrod developing, then it will be easier to transport home the smaller mini hives to unite with your existing hives, removing your existing queens or alternatively you can take home just the frames with the new brood and the queens. Unite those frames with your hives, removing your queens, and leave the frames that are excess to your requirements (ie those ones with no brood) to be reunited with your friends hives. If you are unable to travel to the site to observe that the nucs are developing in the desired way, then perhaps your friend could be watchful on the development of the nucs, the new queens and their laying progress. Likely if you asked a million beekeepers you'd get a million different answers :) Carmen Article 30949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poser Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <6cp05ucs78lkuglt9bi243pbgruscqba5l@4ax.com> References: <20020123090122.29870.00000007@mb-fs.aol.com> <32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:51:11 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1011902076 80.1.219.11 (Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:54:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:54:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30949 On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:16:16 +1300, "Carmen" wrote: >To avoid the queen mating with the bees in your yard, I would take of a nuc >or perhaps several and create a new mini-hive or hives at your friends site, >using 4-5 frames with ripe queen cells, brood, bees and ample food. As I said in ahut4uka7ri8vkmdto2icd9nd5agh20mqb@4ax.com -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:43:29 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3c4dfe20$0$242$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <3c4e9572$0$89121$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: p49.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011812672 23226 203.96.192.177 (23 Jan 2002 19:04:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 2002 19:04:32 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30950 No Problem Jorn in return I must apologise to you !! You are obviously a gentle-man. I am a little sensitive at the moment, having recently left a newsgroup where some of the men turned out to be less than gentle-men. I see you are Danish, in Denmark I am in New Zealand merely a hobby beekeeper and a newby, only 4 years experience, so in that respect there is much to learn. I notice you have links to Australia and NZ in your website :) Love the photo of the 3 tier swarm hanging in the tree pai maarie / good peace Carmen Jorn Johanesson wrote in message news:3c4e9572$0$89121$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk... > Sorry that it had this effect, but you asked why? and I just gave you my > opinion. It was in no way intended as an > insult. > > I am in no way trying to play boss here. > Article 30951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poser Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:51:24 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <20020123090122.29870.00000007@mb-fs.aol.com> <32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p49.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011813147 23371 203.96.192.177 (23 Jan 2002 19:12:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jan 2002 19:12:27 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30951 JAF wrote in message news:32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com... > On 23 Jan 2002 14:01:22 GMT, potents@aol.com (POTENTS) wrote: > > >A friend of mine has a strain of bees i would like to get my hands on. > >but he lives a long way away. > > > >Anyone got any good ideas how to introduce his bees to mine without making > >loads of journeys, transporting whole hives of bees etc. > >cheers. > > When his bees are preparing to swarm, take a couple of ripe queen > cells. Destroy your own queen, stick the q.cells into a comb, and > wait. > > -- > jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk > ne cede malis If you insinuating that the bees in the distant hives would swarm to where the ripe queen cells are moved to, that wouldn't work, the bees in the distant hives wouldn't be oriented to travel to where the ripe queen cells are placed. I would take off a nucleus and start a new colony Carmen Article 30952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JG in NY" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bees for sale, central New York Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:35:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.52.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1011854109 24.58.52.49 (Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:35:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:35:09 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:334 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30952 Bees have been sold. Thanks. "Tighe Smalley" wrote in message news:k6l08.2992$Sf1.838722@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com... > 13 colonies, doubles, well-provisioned; > healthy, treated w/Apistan, NO history of FB. > Weaver All-Americans & carnies > equipment VG to EXC. condition > Must sell, and soon, due to move. $45 apiece. > Prefer to sell together; will accept b.o. for the lot. > email n1aep@yahoo.com or call 607.347.4335 > > > Article 30953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JG in NY" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:37:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.52.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1011861464 24.58.52.49 (Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:37:44 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:37:44 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30953 Let the honey granulate in the bulk containers, after straining and skimming off the froth. The harder the granulation the better. Then slice out chunks of the hard granulated honey and feed them through a household electric meat grinder. Even a small one will process a lot of honey at a good pace. Run the honey directly into jars. The result is a very smooth creamed honey, which is relished even by people who thought they "didn't like honey." And honey processed in this manner has won awards over the "standard" creamed honey processes. Amazingly enough. It does yield a smooth and delicious product. Store the creamed honey in a cool place, or in a freezer until needed. If you have honey that doesn't granulate readily, you may have to seed it first, to get it to set up. In areas where there is a fall crop from goldenrods and asters, hard granulation occurs readily and rapidly. The crystals are coarse, but once the honey is run through the grinder it is smooth as silk. Good luck and have fun, jg "Gazza" wrote in message news:1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au... > Hi > > I am also after help in how to make creamed honey, so if anyone can tell me > how to make creamed homney it would be very much appreciated > > Article 30954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Jan 2002 11:24:31 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: poser Message-ID: <20020124062431.26468.00000150@mb-ma.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30954 Cheers for the advice. I shall try and get him to make up a nuc. My only concern is whether he has enough beekeeping skills to produce a nuc with a good queen. I think his idea of producing a nuc is to take out the required frames and allow the bees to make their own queen. If I get a poor queen (with good genes) I could use her larva and drones to breed from. Thanks again Article 30955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: carnolian or italian Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:43:18 -0500 Organization: The Bee Works Message-ID: Reply-To: "David Eyre" References: <20020121082419.03302.00000295@mb-cr.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 31 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!skynet.be!skynet.be!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30955 "POTENTS" wrote in message news:20020121082419.03302.00000295@mb-cr.aol.com... > can anyone tell me where i can see pics of the different types of honeybee. > > I have seen a feral colony and cannot decide what type they are. > > Anyone got pics of the different types, are there any other ways of telling? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ With all the mongrelisation or if you prefer hybridisation that has gone on over the last 50 years, you cannot tell by looking at colours. I have just tested all our bees with morphometry and found Italians that look like Carniolans and vice versa. If you are really keen to find out the truth visit www.beeworks.com/morphometry/index3.htm There you'll find a method of doing it. Regards Dave.... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 30956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 23 Jan 2002 17:58:11 GMT References: <32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: poser Message-ID: <20020123125811.05154.00000038@mb-fq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!newsfeed.ision.net!ision!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30956 cheers. I did think of that at first, but the queen will mate with my italian drones, and surely give me a hybrid. Is there an easy way i could get a mated queen of him, and transport that? He only has a few colonies, so cannot spare me one. I know I am being ackward, but any help would be appreciated. Article 30957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poser Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com> <20020123125811.05154.00000038@mb-fq.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:03:19 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news11-gui.server.ntli.net 1011809034 80.1.219.11 (Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:03:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 18:03:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!news.onramp.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news11-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30957 On 23 Jan 2002 17:58:11 GMT, potents@aol.com (POTENTS) wrote: >cheers. > I did think of that at first, but the queen will mate with my italian drones, >and surely give me a hybrid. >Is there an easy way i could get a mated queen of him, and transport that? >He only has a few colonies, so cannot spare me one. >I know I am being ackward, but any help would be appreciated. Can he produce a nucleus hive, of say 4-6 frames? Once it can be seen that there is a laying queen, you destroy your old queen, and unite the nucleus to your existing colony. Then only a small box with 4 frames of bees needs transporting. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poser Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <20020123090122.29870.00000007@mb-fs.aol.com> <32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 46 Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:07:47 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1011820117 80.1.219.11 (Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:08:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:08:37 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!lackawana.kippona.com!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30958 On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:51:24 +1300, "Carmen" wrote: > >JAF wrote in message >news:32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com... >> On 23 Jan 2002 14:01:22 GMT, potents@aol.com (POTENTS) wrote: >> >> >A friend of mine has a strain of bees i would like to get my hands on. >> >but he lives a long way away. >> > >> >Anyone got any good ideas how to introduce his bees to mine without >making >> >loads of journeys, transporting whole hives of bees etc. >> >cheers. >> >> When his bees are preparing to swarm, take a couple of ripe queen >> cells. Destroy your own queen, stick the q.cells into a comb, and >> wait. >> >> -- >> jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk >> ne cede malis > >If you insinuating that the bees in the distant hives would swarm to where >the ripe queen cells are moved to, >that wouldn't work, >the bees in the distant hives wouldn't be oriented to >travel to where the ripe queen cells are placed. >I would take off a nucleus and start a new colony > >Carmen > The bees in the distant hive stay where they are. Just two queen cells are taken. 1 to be the new queen, and 1 to be on the safe side. They can be attached to the face of a comb. The old queen will have been destroyed, the bees may try to start a new queen or two, but one of the cells' occupants will emerge and destroy any others. But as 'potents' pointed out, she will mate with the resident drones, so there'll be no advantage. The nucleus would seem to be the best way to go, to get a new, mated queen. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: E.W. Marshall Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Needs Help - Bee Keeping in Colorado Rockies Message-ID: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.553 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:48:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.14.87.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1011844103 63.14.87.216 (Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:48:23 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:48:23 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:48:23 PST (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30959 Hi Everyone, I've never posted here before, but I am interested in beginning bee keeping in Colorado, and so I have a couple questions. I live at high altitude (9,500') and was wondering if this poses any special problems? Especially with temperature which can go down to minus F. I am also wondering how to deal with the bears. Black bears will sometimes walk around my property in early spring and late fall. Are there any good ways to deal with this and still keep a hive intact? Last, I am wondering if there is any help or training available for me locally. Are there any Colorado bee keeping organizations that anyone knows about? I will need all the help I can get, because currently my mind is a blank slate with regard to keeping bees - I just know I'd love to do this though as I had a neighbor who kept bees when I was a boy living in Delaware. Any information is greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance. E.W. Marshall Colorado Rockies Article 30960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JG in NY" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Safety with PDB-ed combs Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 06:32:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.52.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1011853941 24.58.52.49 (Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:32:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:32:21 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!sfo2-feed1.news.digex.net!atl1-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30960 I had a swarm enter a stack of cruddy brood chambers a few summers ago. I had put PDB crystals in the stack some weeks earlier, to thwart moths, as there were some quality brood combs in the boxes. I happened to show up when the swarm was entering the stack. They didn't seem discouraged by the presence of the PDB! I quickly moved those hive bodies and placed a fresh hive on the same spot. The swarm moved into the "good" hive and was apparently quite content -- they turned into a great colony. If there is honey present in stored brood combs, you really shouldn't use PDB. At least according to the directions. Air the combs out well, and they should be fine. "Tom S" wrote in message news:u4s5ine3f73k8e@corp.supernews.com... > While checking my stacked empty deeps, I happened to notice that one of them > has some honey in the outboard frames. I have stored these deeps with PDB > crystals on the top in order to keep wax moths at bay, per the usual > procedure.' > > I was curious as to what I should do about the frames that have honey in > them. I know that you should air out the PDB-ed boxes for a day or two > before putting them back on the hives, but what about those frames with > honey? Will airing out the capped honey for a couple days be good enough to > prevent problems for my bees when I return these deeps to the apiary? > > Do I have to clean out the frames and put in new foundation? Or do I just > want to be sure not to put them back on a smaller colony, due to "possible" > losses? > > TIA for any advice. > > Tom > Monroe, WA > > Article 30961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JG in NY" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020117212604.10888.00005081@mb-fa.aol.com> Subject: Re: top bar hives Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <%a848.73582$Sf1.15561080@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:54:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.52.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1011945275 24.58.52.49 (Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:54:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 02:54:35 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30961 http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm http://www.xs4all.nl/~jtemp/my_tbh.html http://www.ccdemo.info/GardenBees/KTBH.html "Tackle crafter" wrote in message news:20020117212604.10888.00005081@mb-fa.aol.com... > Where would i get the best plans for a top bar hive. Thanks > > Al > -------------------------- > Incomplete angler-writer Article 30962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Carmen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poser Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:41:46 +1300 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <20020123090122.29870.00000007@mb-fs.aol.com> <32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com> <6cp05ucs78lkuglt9bi243pbgruscqba5l@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 1011909756 14376 203.96.192.141 (24 Jan 2002 22:02:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jan 2002 22:02:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30962 JAF wrote in message news:6cp05ucs78lkuglt9bi243pbgruscqba5l@4ax.com... > On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:16:16 +1300, "Carmen" > wrote: > > >To avoid the queen mating with the bees in your yard, I would take of a nuc > >or perhaps several and create a new mini-hive or hives at your friends site, > >using 4-5 frames with ripe queen cells, brood, bees and ample food. > > As I said in ahut4uka7ri8vkmdto2icd9nd5agh20mqb@4ax.com > Great in that case we are in full agreement :) Carmen Article 30963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: poser Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: References: <20020123090122.29870.00000007@mb-fs.aol.com> <32ht4u8pd1a3coh5do2soi7kck5hrro2bt@4ax.com> <6cp05ucs78lkuglt9bi243pbgruscqba5l@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:33:04 +0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1011911804 80.1.219.11 (Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:36:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:36:44 GMT X-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:37:17 GMT (newsr2.u-net.net) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet!newsr2.u-net.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30963 On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 11:41:46 +1300, "Carmen" wrote: > >Great in that case we are in full agreement >:) >Carmen > Indubitably. -- jaf @ jaffullstopcoanotherfullstopuk ne cede malis Article 30964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:43:49 -0700 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011973416 37432892 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30964 > >> It's as the Buddha said, all life is suffering. > > >all life, you think so ? > > Yes. Escpecially with the high cost of wax-working. Glad to see the topic back on beekeeping. That should the suffering of those who pay for download and expect bee-related content on s.a.b And here's a way to suffer less. Make your own. See the pictures of Dee and friends doing just that at 'Lusby Photos' at http://photos.yahoo.com/allendick Tom Industries in Yuma sells the rolls in any size cell base you want. Call 520-305-6828 or write PO Box 26001, Yuma 85367-9998 AZ, USA allen Article 30965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: 25 Jan 2002 10:07:57 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1011971278 21141 166.84.1.1 (25 Jan 2002 15:07:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jan 2002 15:07:58 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30965 In article , Carmen wrote: (Charlie wrote:) >> It's as the Buddha said, all life is suffering. >all life, you think so ? Yes. Escpecially with the high cost of wax-working. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 30966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 07:02:19 -0700 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-13.internode.net (198.161.229.189) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011967331 37675824 198.161.229.189 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-13.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30966 > But it's not 'creamed honey' and in due course will granulate hard again. > I would be peeved off, paying extra and getting chewed up granulated. > If you're going to 'do' a job, do it properly. Perhaps it depends on the honey used, since honey varies in its properties quite a bit. In our area, honey is hardest when it first sets up, then if it is kept for a year or two, it softens. Creamed honey, even done the Dyce way can be pretty hard at first compared to honey that is stirred while granulating or which has been treated the way that Joel describes. There is a lot of discussion about this and other honey handling and quality questions in the BEE-L searchable archives at http://www.internode.net/honeybee/BEE-L/ allen Article 30967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JG in NY" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1010871849.348393@bugstomper.ihug.com.au> Subject: Re: Creamed Honey Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:35:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.58.52.49 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 1011980110 24.58.52.49 (Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:35:10 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:35:10 EST Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30967 "David Eyre" wrote in message news:u51ktsdm8ladcf@corp.supernews.com...> > But it's not 'creamed honey' and in due course will granulate hard again. > I would be peeved off, paying extra and getting chewed up granulated. > If you're going to 'do' a job, do it properly. It doesn't granulate hard again. That's the whole point. If you want confirmation of this, just give it a try. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. At least the honey here in this part of the NE doesn't set hard again. Perhaps we are fortunate that this works out so well. The method works like a charm, and, incidentally, honey processed this way has taken prizes over Dyce process creamed honey in contests. So there you go... Cheers, j Article 30968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Hive Tool 2.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:35:49 -0500 Organization: East Central Ohio Beekeepers Association Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1011627351 34838439 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!newsfeed.zip.com.au!80.65.228.52.MISMATCH!deine.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30968 Just wanted to give a quick update on our 4-H project. This weekend during all the snow was a good time for my daughter and I work on her 4-H project and web site. We updated our project with new help information, more drop down selections, and added the ability to use a PDA with a scanner to scan hive number from barcodes. We also did some other little changes to make it look prettier "as my daughter said." We also created a emulator that simulates the Hive Tool program. This can be used to show you how the program works without having a Palm Device although the scanning feature will not function. The Hive Tool Program is for use with Palm Pilot type devices and will only work if you have one to install it to. Palm type devices have a program called Palm Desktop that will recognize the extension of PRC and open a program called Hotsync. Hotsync will load The Hive Tool to your Palm Device. Once installed and selected for the first time the program will expand itself into a functioning program. The Hive Tool can be found at http://www.beekeepers.homestead.com/opening.html We would also like to hear your comments about the program! -- BeeFarmer Getting Kids involved in 4H Beekeeping http://www.beekeepers.homestead.com/opening.html Article 30969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:50:15 -0600 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <5f645uofalka1iqb40uv05v1v3b3o5n4pc@4ax.com> References: <3c4dfe20$0$242$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.236 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012017017 37400778 216.167.143.236 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.236!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30969 Jorn Johanesson said: >because it cost me money to receive this newsgroup, and I expect to receive >stuff related to beekeeping. If you're referring to this thread, 'it is about beekeeping' I know the longer letter require more attention span, but once you get the drift, you can always delete the larger headers. It's hardly an imposition on the Internet compared to those other streams of data, I mean text/plain; us-ascii with 7bit encoding, a very compact data stream indeed. What's the big deal? Why is it you have to pay to receive a newsgroup? There's plenty of free usenet servers out there that carry this group. If you're 'forced' to pay for an NNTP server with your access to the Internet, you should at least get a news reader that gives you the choice of only downloading 'headers' and not automatically 'all' the messages. I thought even OE did that. Headers have the advantage of avoiding those messages by thoughtless people who include a previously long post in their letter just to add a one line answer. The fact that you're using Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 as a newsreader is your real problem. That thing should be called Microsoft Slow Extension of Internet Explorer, with the word 'slow' being used as an adverb here. If you have a choice get yourself a copy of Free Agent, or do a search for 'free newsreaders,' there's some good ones out there that are very fast and do not take up any space on your HD. There's a certain German newsreader that's very fast indeed, too fast really. Well probably can't be too fast. You probably know all this anyway, so why the complaint, did you just have a bad day? C.K. Article 30970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:35:30 -0600 Lines: 200 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012023332 37766455 216.167.138.137 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.137!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30970 >i do a search am >confronted with 1,000's of websites, >information explosion, brain implodes >:) Hi Carmen as you say information overload, and where's the wisdom? >Living in a country that is by comparison easier >popular opinion here is that the US is >land of priviledge and plenty it really gives cause to.. Only if you have money, and if you don't you're looked upon as being morally disreputable, it's true. This was not what Jesus had in mind at all. >the popular perception of the US >being a land of priviledge and plenty. That's only true for some, they are however, still in the majority but that figure grows smaller. >I guess that would have the effect of marketing to the masses ideas that the >drugs being advertised are necessary to improve one's life. The ads tell the viewers 'they' are there, that's the thing. Of course there's more, like showing happy pain free people (who apparently have taken the drug) doing all the things they couldn't do before. The message hits hard on someone that might actually be in pain. The FDA has 'warned' some of the companies about how their 'product' is portrayed, but the FDA has no actual enforcement powers once the drug is on the market; which is odd when you think of it; what's the point of having a protecting 'agency' that has no 'teeth?' If the company didn't 'heed' the FDA's warning that comes in the form of a 'letter' then it is up to 'someone' to take the offending company to court. This is not to suggest that an FDA letter doesn't carry a lot of 'weight' and a letter is usually enough to cause the company to call their advertising agency and bring the ads within FDA guidelines, but sometimes, if a powerful corporation is run by arrogant management that sees even a 'warning' letter from the FDA as 'government intervention' in their business, then to get them to do the right thing can be an overwhelming task. I don't have to tell you how expensive this could be. Who among us can sue a drug company, this is the responsibility of the government itself. >Personally I think in many cases a teaspoon of honey would be a more >adequate recovery plan. Depends on what kind of recovery you're talking about. After crashing your motorcycle you'll want something stronger. >Westinghouse >haven't heard of that A very large corporation that makes a lot of 'consumer' goods like fridges and washers, and 'consumer' electronics. It also owns a television network (NBC) and this includes that network's news division; also makes a lot of jet engines like the ones for the B-1B, B-2, F-16 and F-117 bombers and fighter bombers respectively; submarine nuclear reactors and is a DOE (Dept. of Energy) Hanford contractor at the Y-12 plant (Oak Ridge, Tennessee) whose function is something called "canned subassemblies" which in effect makes a bomb "thermonuclear." The company division that does this has a quaint name: Westinghouse Environmental Management Co. Westinghouse also produces those nifty 'gatlin' guns now called "mini guns" one sees in so many films. And to think you've never heard of them. >Perhaps by comparison NZ'ers are rasonably politcally aware. Maybe, but the real reason lies in the fact that you have the advantage of being a small 'homogeneous' population; ok maybe a few Maori indians might object, but really it's just so and you have the advantage of a small population around 4 million I believe. It is a lot different when your country has 280 million of which huge numbers are immigrants and ethically mixed from every country on the planet. How many people in the WTC buildings were from foreign countries? >Teachers gave out pills ..? >you're kidding me surely >if that were to happen here there would be a huge outcry of objections !!! Well it happened here too, when the news got out..the shit really hit the fan. Teachers still have a lot of power to 'force' parents of a hyperactive child to put him on Ritalin, but I guess that's better than having your kid drugged without your knowledge. >Good grief !! >Sounds like behaviour modification in the worst case scenario ! Yes that's exactly what it was. It still goes on but with a lot more sophistication. >Surely there are many other aspects that should be looked at first rather >than (what sounds like) wholesale prescription of drugs. It's not like that time in Omaha. Cases are dwelt with individually; but, many parents are intimidated when they're brought before the 'system,' when it's not the child's welfare at issue, but maintaining order. Many parents of modest means are faced with options that cost a lot of money, like private schools and such, if their son (almost always a son) isn't 'sedated.' >I think it fair to say that we aren't, as a nation, that easily herded, many >kiwis often look for their own solutions, regardless of popular opinion. >Although many here are succumbing to high pressure lifestyles, brought on by >corporatisation and pressure to attain, perhaps, unrealistic goals, which in >many cases compromise lifestyle choices and things such as quality leisure >time become forfeit. Sounds like NZ is right on track for the future. >However, there is still much discussion goes on over the garden fences so to >speak and while people are still talking, and communicating various >alternatives, seeking solutions and problem solving, the negative effects >may be cushioned. >In that respect maintaining strong networks is a key principle. I think the most powerful thing an individual can do is to become aware (by some miracle) and withdraw his 'support.' >There is a certain knowledge also comes with beekeeping, watching how the >communities of bees work together toward postive collective outcomes is a >valuable learning process !! Yes..who is the keeper, the bees or the beekeeper? >LOL >How many inches does that add? The advantage here is to remember what Caesar said: "men will believe what they want to believe" and then it could be added, women will understand. >I have considered whether it is from adrenalin, ie perhaps the >adrenals are stimulated You are quite right there, a bee stings you, you're going to have a shot of adrenalin with your bee venom, and if you don't have enough you'll have to carry some extra with you. >Or whether there is some kind of endorphine activity going on Yes, I believe that..an assumption derived from pure thought as it were, I think I said as much in a post of: Subject: Re: apitherapy Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:08:19 -0600 Message-ID: See what you think. >Do you ever get a sense when you go into the hive that you somehow become >one with the hive? Of course >something almost >magic about the vibration from the hum, Yes the curious and hypnotic music of creatures possessing some tangible force derived from millions of years of being. >perhaps that has some influence on >our physiology which stimulates the sense of wellbeing. Yes the 'relationship' becomes complete, consummate as it were. >I am also of the opinion that it has to do with the smell of the hive, in >particular propolis, perhaps in some way aroma therapy. Maybe..a good point. I always suspected the smell of the 'alarm' pheromone, that nice rather lemon like fragrance had some interesting effect, like being in fear and amazed at the same time. >I was sniffing a cup of propolis recently which I had collected a while back >wonderful stuff Yes, we always keep a tincture of propolis around for what 'ails' you; big medicine if your immune system hasn't been wrecked by anti-biotics, pollution and drugs various. >To think that some people sniff solvents >for euphoria, >when propolis is far more pleasant You are it would seem some sort of bee avatar whose understanding of these things is now within the realm of art. >all life, you think so ? That's what the Buddha said..I think he was trying to say if there is no 'suffering' there can be no appreciation of suffering in others; call it understanding if you like. (Incidently, I'm not a Buddhist) C.K. Article 30971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I've just returned from the AHPA convention -- and further adventures Date: 26 Jan 2002 07:28:47 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1012048127 10219 166.84.1.1 (26 Jan 2002 12:28:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jan 2002 12:28:47 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30971 Allen you wrote: ------------------- John Harbo -30 pupae purple eye - count reproductive mites calc %-described on a colony level -res x ctrl are 1/2 way between res & ctrl with some variation -Trait appears to be additive -Is SMR related to poor brood production? 100% SMR have poor brood. But 1st& subsequent crosses seem OK. 75% is OK. 70% SMR seems ideal. -SMR takes 6 weeks to show up in a colony after new queen begins work. Jeff Harris -Russian crosses with other stock may not retain R characteristics Tom Rinderer -Russian queens have good tracheal & varroa resistance. Can go years w/o treatment ------------------- Questions Allen: RE: Harbo, "resistant x ctrl are 1/2 way between res & ctrl with some variation." I don't understand this. Would you explain further. RE: Harris & Rinderer "R". Is this a symbol for the desirable "Russian" phenotype that seems to dwindle in out-crosses? If so, how did Harris describe the "R" phenotype? How did Rinderer? Did they state _anything_ correlational phenotypically with the Russian lines they have and T and V mite tolerance? Sounded like a good meeting. Thanks, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 30972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I've just returned from the AHPA convention -- and further adventures Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:17:52 -0700 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pool1-10.internode.net (198.161.229.186) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012065412 37817888 198.161.229.186 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool1-10.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30972 > RE: Harbo, "resistant x ctrl are 1/2 way between res & ctrl with some > variation." I don't understand this. Would you explain further. Sorry. He just said the trait seems to be additive and heitabilty seems to be easily predicable with simple arithmetic. > RE: Harris & Rinderer "R". Is this a symbol for the desirable > "Russian" phenotype that seems to dwindle in out-crosses? If so, > how did Harris describe the "R" phenotype? How did Rinderer? Did > they state _anything_ correlational phenotypically with the Russian > lines they have and T and V mite tolerance? I just used R as short for 'Russian', and the set of desirable Russian characteristics. They have eliminated several lines, apparently for lacking the characteristics sought or for undesirable traits. The remaining bees produce honey as well as controls and have gone (I think) 555 days without treatment for wither mite. I also remember three years, so am not sure, but they stand up well to both mites without help. I understand that the queen introduction problems some reported have gone away. > Sounded like a good meeting. It was. allen Article 30973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Viktoria" Newsgroups: ally.commerce.metals,nikolaev.commerce.energo,nikolaev.commerce.metals,odessa.commerce,odessa.commerce.construction,odessa.commerce.metals,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,ukr.commerce.household,ukr.commerce.money Subject: =?koi8-r?B?8NLPxMHNIPTSwcvUz9Ig4O36INMg0NLJw8XQz80gMvD08yAsIMFczefh+iA=?= =?koi8-r?B?MzMwNyw=?= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:05:01 -0000 Organization: S&PE Telematika Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dp-0-141.tm.odessa.ua Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: News.TM.Odessa.UA 1012119149 80330 195.66.212.141 (27 Jan 2002 08:12:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@News.Odessa.Net NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jan 2002 08:12:29 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!news2.dg.net.ua!bn.utel.com.ua!carrier.kiev.ua!news.odessa.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30973 (04849)40971. Ç.âÅÌÇÏÒÏÄ-äÎÅÓÔÒÏ×ÓËÉÊ ïÄÅÓÓËÁÑ ÏÂÌÁÓÔØ ÷ÉËÔÏÒÉÑ. Article 30974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: FalconFan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Beehive Recommendation? 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Her main goal in having one is to help with pollenation of her fruit trees and garden. She has about 1/4 of an acre that the bees will be working. There are plenty of other things for them to pollenate in the surrounding area too. She's not really super interested in getting a lot of honey from them but it would be nice to get some. We're looking for something that's fairly easy to maintain and fairly inexpensive. She lives in a subdivision so we need fairly nonagressive strain of bee I guess. Can you all recommend a strain of bees, the number of bees needed, and a good hive to suit my needs? I'd also appreciate a good online supplier for the above supplies. Thanks so much for any help.... Article 30975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: It's Jan 27th and they're bringing the pollen in! Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:59:47 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3c548606.119751621@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p19.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30975 Bees in my home apiary were bringing in maple pollen here in Southern Maryland. The new season has begun. beekeep Article 30976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix3.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It's Jan 27th and they're bringing the pollen in! Date: 27 Jan 2002 18:42:59 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3c548606.119751621@news1.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1012174980 27057 166.84.1.3 (27 Jan 2002 23:42:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jan 2002 23:42:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30976 In article <3c548606.119751621@news1.radix.net>, beekeep wrote: >Bees in my home apiary were bringing in maple pollen here in Southern >Maryland. The new season has begun. Yeah they're doing it in Northern Maryland too. I saw Maple, Henpath (Henbit), and something very bright orange. :) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 30977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 42 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beeman10@aol.com (Beeman10) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Jan 2002 23:58:05 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Small Beehive Recommendation? Message-ID: <20020127185805.28633.00000631@mb-fn.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30977 >Subject: Small Beehive Recommendation? >From: FalconFan falconfan@falconfan.com >Date: 1/27/02 5:48 PM Eastern Standard Time >Message-id: > >Hi, >I've been tasked by my girlfriend to get a small beehive going for >her. Her main goal in having one is to help with pollenation of her >fruit trees and garden. She has about 1/4 of an acre that the bees >will be working. There are plenty of other things for them to >pollenate in the surrounding area too. > >She's not really super interested in getting a lot of honey from them >but it would be nice to get some. We're looking for something that's >fairly easy to maintain and fairly inexpensive. She lives in a >subdivision so we need fairly nonagressive strain of bee I guess. Can >you all recommend a strain of bees, the number of bees needed, and a >good hive to suit my needs? I'd also appreciate a good online supplier >for the above supplies. Depending on your location, you may already have sufficient insects that will perform the tasks your girlfriend requires for the garden and trees. A honeybee hive comes in only one size. You can purchase a nuc or a package of bees with a queen and install them in standard boxes with frames. If the area is suitable for bees to find what they need and you are able to avoid the various parasites that are presently invading beehives, your girlfriend could have a hive with 60,000 bees in it by fall and be 3 full boxes high. There is a lot of information on honeybees and there are several books that can be found in many libraries. I suggest that you both read one to get a better idea of the biology and annual cycle that a beehive goes through as well as what you or your girlfriend will be expected to do to assist your bees during the year. I found these books very helpful As for strains of bees, I have found midnites mild bees. There is presently new breeding efforts going on that will hopefully result in strains of bees that will be able to deal with the mites presently causing problems for most beekeepers. I am not sure if these traits have been added to the strain I mentioned. Feel free to e-mail me if you have further questions. I have kept bees in my back yard for 20 years. Article 30978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Christopher Drazba Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It's Jan 27th and they're bringing the pollen in! Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:43:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3C54ACAB.A58106A9@olg.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3c548606.119751621@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 24 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!paradoxa.ogoense.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30978 I live about 45 minutes south of beekeep. My bees started bringing in dull green and bright yellow pollen a few days ago. Any ideas what it's from? I started with bees last April; I didn't know spring came in January! Chris Adam Finkelstein wrote: > In article <3c548606.119751621@news1.radix.net>, > beekeep wrote: > >Bees in my home apiary were bringing in maple pollen here in Southern > >Maryland. The new season has begun. > > Yeah they're doing it in Northern Maryland too. > I saw Maple, Henpath (Henbit), and something very bright orange. > :) > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@panix.com Article 30979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: It's Jan 27th and they're bringing the pollen in! Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 11:03:49 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3c552fcd.163211459@news1.radix.net> References: <3c548606.119751621@news1.radix.net> <3C54ACAB.A58106A9@olg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30979 On Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:43:07 -0500, Christopher Drazba wrote: >I live about 45 minutes south of beekeep. My bees started bringing in >dull green and bright yellow pollen a few days ago. >Any ideas what it's from? > >I started with bees last April; I didn't know spring came in January! > >Chris > The dull green is maple. beekeep Article 30980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Jan 2002 13:14:41 GMT References: <20020127185805.28633.00000631@mb-fn.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Small Beehive Recommendation? Message-ID: <20020128081441.26474.00000951@mb-fd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30980 Other than the honeybee hives that only come in one size check out the garden hives that Brushy Mountain sells. These are 8 frame boxes with ornamental lids. Article 30981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brewers Yeast Lines: 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <3pc58.82159$%b.4925289@bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:31:43 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-Ue1M9RT0i79KDJAv5tx4UoOvDgQlgSZAHfoxPZ2K6bEJ3+Bw2KL6H2mW4v06/zz0JqTpiDlRXXPLq1O!WcpQbpauOfsCFXImOenpeB840UImxyYm91xXYPUfW9zSvA27zDPnb2/y3vnuI2O1xMvQT92m5+a5!dtHlJhqJr7X0qiA= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:31:43 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30981 I'm looking for a source of Brewers Yeast in 25 to 50 lb. bags or drums. Can anyone help me. I live in west Texas in the Midland Odessa area. Lubbock is 95 miles north of me. Thanks Mark Article 30982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Small Beehive Recommendation? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:30:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.219.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.southeast.rr.com 1012221001 24.31.219.77 (Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:30:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:30:01 EST Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!typhoon.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30982 "FalconFan" wrote in message news:ms095ugah8alfhb27usjrj0lb4ssugneum@4ax.com... > Hi, > I've been tasked by my girlfriend to get a small beehive for going for > her. Her main goal in having one is to help with pollenation of her > fruit trees and garden You might consider mason bees for your fruit blossoms, since they require much less maintanance than honeybees. But they are dormant later in the season, so they are useless for garden veggies. Honeybees should be considered livestock, and they WILL require care, probably more than you realize. The old time beekeeper that only "robbed" his bees occasionally is gone, and only those who really are into bee husbandry survive. For either you can find lots of info at the page below. Run an onsite search for mason bees (alternative pollinators) or beekeeper resources -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Search engine at the bottom of the intro page Article 30983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brewers Yeast and Soy Flour Lines: 8 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:48:25 CST Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-D9NsKCUbAZR0KLvQpkw8x1UKmL6rrJO4PYt4bCeN8mkHKvTRCPZf3k36EWHJCvuRn6cYIaDeU9rp+2t!o85Nfp8vNbM8ZThBRp2WoeV1T2axVIT3dQH+NCSpFqPve4/FS3dPwrpakVZvEWuHYzZIRLvCjO9f!mHRB59e1HhXfBKI= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:48:26 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30983 Actually, I'm looking for a source of both Brewers Yeast and Soy Flour in 25 to 50 lb. bags or drums as ingredients for pollen substitute. Can anyone help me. I live in west Texas in the Midland Odessa area. Lubbock is 95 miles north of me. Thanks Mark Article 30984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Beehive Recommendation? Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:28:01 +0000 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 39 Sender: spamblock@spamblock.com Message-ID: <06jNKZFx$VV8EwUk@spamblock.com> References: Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3314.antelope.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1012229375 25961 217.134.28.242 (28 Jan 2002 14:49:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jan 2002 14:49:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-Beta-2-U () Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!spamblock.com!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30984 On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, FalconFan wrote: >I've been tasked by my girlfriend to get a small beehive for going for >her. Her main goal in having one is to help with pollenation of her >fruit trees and garden. >She's not really super interested in getting a lot of honey from them >She lives in a subdivision so we need fairly nonagressive strain of bee >I guess. Can you all recommend a strain of bees, I'm led to believe that Mason bees and Bumble bees are more efficient pollinators than Honey bees. Added advantages, less aggressive and low maintenance. Have a look at: http://www.biopol.nl/UK/BumbleBees.htm http://www.koppert.nl/e0117.shtml http://www.mearns.org.uk/mrssmith/bees/faq.htm http://www.beehoo.com/f_the.php?theme=Bumblebees http://www.oxbeeco.com/ http://www.bucknur.com/acatalog/Index_Pollination_Bees_27.html#a803 http://www.btinternet.com/~bury_rd/mason.htm http://www.knoxcellars.com/ -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 30985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: carsimex@mnogo.ru (Andrey) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Beehive Recommendation? Date: 28 Jan 2002 09:05:00 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <49875365.0201280904.bb16c4b@posting.google.com> References: <20020127185805.28633.00000631@mb-fn.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.53.226.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012237502 22667 127.0.0.1 (28 Jan 2002 17:05:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jan 2002 17:05:02 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30985 I also live in the subdivision and had no problem with keeping 7-10 hives. Cople of times I had a case where they sworm and found a place on a neighbor's tree but no one complained. Just make sure you give them a jar of honey one's a year. As far as I know the Italians kind is most gental ones. For most of my supplies i use http://www.mannlakeltd.com/index.html they got fair prices and good customer service. Good idea is to do an internet search and you will find tons of helpful information. Good luck, Andrey. Article 30986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C558FB8.715B8A1E@cox.net> From: maverick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Beehive Recommendation? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 44 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:51:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.5.25.191 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rsm1.occa.home.com 1012240312 68.5.25.191 (Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:51:52 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 09:51:52 PST Organization: Excite@Home - The Leader in Broadband http://home.com/faster Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rsm1.occa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30986 hello: I mainly use All american bee strain. they are great pollinators, and awesome honey producers. try http://www.beeweaver.com/ or his brother http://www.rweaver.com/ good luck to you mike FalconFan wrote: > Hi, > I've been tasked by my girlfriend to get a small beehive for going for > her. Her main goal in having one is to help with pollenation of her > fruit trees and garden. She has about 1/4 of an acre that the bees > will be working. There are plenty of other things for them to > pollenate in the surrounding area too. > > She's not really super interested in getting a lot of honey from them > but it would be nice to get some. We're looking for something that's > fairly easy to maintain and fairly inexpensive. She lives in a > subdivision so we need fairly nonagressive strain of bee I guess. Can > you all recommend a strain of bees, the number of bees needed, and a > good hive to suit my needs? I'd also appreciate a good online supplier > for the above supplies. > > Thanks so much for any help.... -- ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ..-- __o ....-- _ \<,_ ____ (_)/ (_) 'Enjoy living in this life as if you're going to live forever. however, work for your after life because you may die tomorrow. Article 30987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: adamf@panix1.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: WWW.GIWERSWORLD.ORG Followup-To: alt.flame Date: 28 Jan 2002 13:43:26 -0500 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: adamf@panix.com. NNTP-Posting-Host: panix1.panix.com X-Trace: news.panix.com 1012243406 10184 166.84.1.1 (28 Jan 2002 18:43:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jan 2002 18:43:26 GMT Summary: off topic Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix1.panix.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30987 Note Followup set. In article , Matt Giwer wrote: >FOR ALL YOUR ANTISEMITIC NEEDS. > > >REMEMBER: TODAY'S KIKE IS TOMORROW'S LAMPSHADE. Slightly off topic. For more information on this fine human check out: http://www.rackjite.com/giwer.htm -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@panix.com Article 30988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Helen Ward" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:04:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.36.219 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1012255458 142.59.36.219 (Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:04:18 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:04:18 MST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed2.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30988 In typical hive construction I noticed there is not enough ways for all this humid air to escape effectively during the day. And any little vents become great draft sources by night. From my limited understanding of molecular bonding - no paint is 100% water-proof. In fact, I think that the more waterproof paints could cause even more moisture problems by retaining that infiltrated moisture layer longer . What do you guys in the field see with the interiors of your hives. If you paint them - does this paint flake away to a highly discoloured (dark, flaky) wood. If you don't paint the interiors - does this interior wood still show signs of moderate moisture damage (medium to dark discolourization). I would be interested in hearing from some about this matter. Has anyone tried a cutting a crosssection on some older or broken newer hives? What did you see? WHERE DOES A GUY LOOK FOR THE SCIENCE OF BEEKEEPING? Article 30989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C55D1C3.94787362@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:33:39 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1012257331 204.2.54.125 (Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:35:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:35:31 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.xnet.com!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30989 The solution for me is to construct the hives of a moisture, mold and insect resistant wood and leave the inside unpainted. From relatively inexpensive young teak, there is no sign of damage after 15 years and numerous vigorous cleanings. JJ Helen Ward wrote: > > In typical hive construction I noticed there is not enough ways for all this > humid air to escape effectively during the day. And any little vents become > great draft sources by night. > > From my limited understanding of molecular bonding - no paint is 100% > water-proof. In fact, I think that the more waterproof paints could cause > even more moisture problems by retaining that infiltrated moisture layer > longer . > > What do you guys in the field see with the interiors of your hives. If you > paint them - does this paint flake away to a highly discoloured (dark, > flaky) wood. > If you don't paint the interiors - does this interior wood still show signs > of moderate moisture damage (medium to dark discolourization). > > I would be interested in hearing from some about this matter. Has anyone > tried a cutting a crosssection on some older or broken newer hives? What did > you see? > > WHERE DOES A GUY LOOK FOR THE SCIENCE OF BEEKEEPING? Article 30990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Helen Ward" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Varroa a state of mind Lines: 239 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:21:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.36.219 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1012260079 142.59.36.219 (Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:21:19 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:21:19 MST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30990 Just my two bits.... the post that started this thread matched all criteria for this group. Bees pollinate the Ephedra Ephedra is agriculture Beekeepers have ample time in winter to ponder philosophy and other valuable scientific datas. ;-) I am an ADHD adult on "amphetamines" - Dexedrine specifically. As a adult diagnosed with this "syndrome" three years ago - I find the manufacturer SKB semi-god-like. What it did for me was nothing short of a miracle seeing as I used to self-medicate heavily. Now I have been off the meds for a month I'm feeling ever so inclined to work with bees more and more - lol . Hopefully my uncle will be so gracious as to accept my inclination. Seeing as "we are born bee-keepers" - I thank the SRI's for helping me realize my destiny. Let's leave the corporate greed out of the lab - let's leave the scientists to do their ever so valuable job. We all "mead" to get along peeps!" : ) Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:iif45u438r2n7bahp3tv0vk6c4sm0mo7cc@4ax.com... > >i do a search am > >confronted with 1,000's of websites, > >information explosion, brain implodes > >:) > > Hi Carmen as you say information overload, and where's the wisdom? > > >Living in a country that is by comparison easier > >popular opinion here is that the US is > >land of priviledge and plenty it really gives cause to.. > > Only if you have money, and if you don't you're looked upon as being > morally disreputable, it's true. This was not what Jesus had in > mind at all. > > >the popular perception of the US > >being a land of priviledge and plenty. > > That's only true for some, they are however, still in the majority > but that figure grows smaller. > > >I guess that would have the effect of marketing to the masses ideas that the > >drugs being advertised are necessary to improve one's life. > > The ads tell the viewers 'they' are there, that's the thing. Of > course there's more, like showing happy pain free people (who > apparently have taken the drug) doing all the things they couldn't > do before. The message hits hard on someone that might actually be > in pain. The FDA has 'warned' some of the companies about how their > 'product' is portrayed, but the FDA has no actual enforcement > powers once the drug is on the market; which is odd when you think > of it; what's the point of having a protecting 'agency' that has no > 'teeth?' If the company didn't 'heed' the FDA's warning that comes > in the form of a 'letter' then it is up to 'someone' to take the > offending company to court. This is not to suggest that an FDA > letter doesn't carry a lot of 'weight' and a letter is usually > enough to cause the company to call their advertising agency and > bring the ads within FDA guidelines, but sometimes, if a powerful > corporation is run by arrogant management that sees even a 'warning' > letter from the FDA as 'government intervention' in their business, > then to get them to do the right thing can be an overwhelming task. > I don't have to tell you how expensive this could be. Who among us > can sue a drug company, this is the responsibility of the government > itself. > > >Personally I think in many cases a teaspoon of honey would be a more > >adequate recovery plan. > > Depends on what kind of recovery you're talking about. After > crashing your motorcycle you'll want something stronger. > > >Westinghouse > >haven't heard of that > > A very large corporation that makes a lot of 'consumer' goods like > fridges and washers, and 'consumer' electronics. It also owns a > television network (NBC) and this includes that network's news > division; also makes a lot of jet engines like the ones for the > B-1B, B-2, F-16 and F-117 bombers and fighter bombers respectively; > submarine nuclear reactors and is a DOE (Dept. of Energy) Hanford > contractor at the Y-12 plant (Oak Ridge, Tennessee) whose function > is something called "canned subassemblies" which in effect makes a > bomb "thermonuclear." The company division that does this has a > quaint name: Westinghouse Environmental Management Co. > Westinghouse also produces those nifty 'gatlin' guns now called > "mini guns" one sees in so many films. And to think you've never > heard of them. > > >Perhaps by comparison NZ'ers are rasonably politcally aware. > > Maybe, but the real reason lies in the fact that you have the > advantage of being a small 'homogeneous' population; ok maybe a few > Maori indians might object, but really it's just so and you have the > advantage of a small population around 4 million I believe. > > It is a lot different when your country has 280 million of which > huge numbers are immigrants and ethically mixed from every country > on the planet. How many people in the WTC buildings were from > foreign countries? > > >Teachers gave out pills ..? > >you're kidding me surely > >if that were to happen here there would be a huge outcry of objections !!! > > Well it happened here too, when the news got out..the shit really > hit the fan. Teachers still have a lot of power to 'force' parents > of a hyperactive child to put him on Ritalin, but I guess that's > better than having your kid drugged without your knowledge. > > >Good grief !! > >Sounds like behaviour modification in the worst case scenario ! > > Yes that's exactly what it was. It still goes on but with a lot > more sophistication. > > >Surely there are many other aspects that should be looked at first rather > >than (what sounds like) wholesale prescription of drugs. > > It's not like that time in Omaha. Cases are dwelt with individually; > but, many parents are intimidated when they're brought before the > 'system,' when it's not the child's welfare at issue, but > maintaining order. Many parents of modest means are faced with > options that cost a lot of money, like private schools and such, if > their son (almost always a son) isn't 'sedated.' > > >I think it fair to say that we aren't, as a nation, that easily herded, many > >kiwis often look for their own solutions, regardless of popular opinion. > >Although many here are succumbing to high pressure lifestyles, brought on by > >corporatisation and pressure to attain, perhaps, unrealistic goals, which in > >many cases compromise lifestyle choices and things such as quality leisure > >time become forfeit. > > Sounds like NZ is right on track for the future. > > >However, there is still much discussion goes on over the garden fences so to > >speak and while people are still talking, and communicating various > >alternatives, seeking solutions and problem solving, the negative effects > >may be cushioned. > >In that respect maintaining strong networks is a key principle. > > I think the most powerful thing an individual can do is to become > aware (by some miracle) and withdraw his 'support.' > > >There is a certain knowledge also comes with beekeeping, watching how the > >communities of bees work together toward postive collective outcomes is a > >valuable learning process !! > > Yes..who is the keeper, the bees or the beekeeper? > > >LOL > >How many inches does that add? > > The advantage here is to remember what Caesar said: "men will > believe what they want to believe" and then it could be added, > women will understand. > > >I have considered whether it is from adrenalin, ie perhaps the > >adrenals are stimulated > > You are quite right there, a bee stings you, you're going to have a > shot of adrenalin with your bee venom, and if you don't have enough > you'll have to carry some extra with you. > > >Or whether there is some kind of endorphine activity going on > > Yes, I believe that..an assumption derived from pure thought as it > were, I think I said as much in a post of: > > Subject: Re: apitherapy > Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:08:19 -0600 > Message-ID: > > See what you think. > > >Do you ever get a sense when you go into the hive that you somehow become > >one with the hive? > > Of course > > >something almost > >magic about the vibration from the hum, > > Yes the curious and hypnotic music of creatures possessing some > tangible force derived from millions of years of being. > > >perhaps that has some influence on > >our physiology which stimulates the sense of wellbeing. > > Yes the 'relationship' becomes complete, consummate as it were. > > >I am also of the opinion that it has to do with the smell of the hive, in > >particular propolis, perhaps in some way aroma therapy. > > Maybe..a good point. I always suspected the smell of the 'alarm' > pheromone, that nice rather lemon like fragrance had some > interesting effect, like being in fear and amazed at the same time. > > >I was sniffing a cup of propolis recently which I had collected a while back > >wonderful stuff > > Yes, we always keep a tincture of propolis around for what 'ails' > you; big medicine if your immune system hasn't been wrecked by > anti-biotics, pollution and drugs various. > > >To think that some people sniff solvents > >for euphoria, > >when propolis is far more pleasant > > You are it would seem some sort of bee avatar whose understanding of > these things is now within the realm of art. > > >all life, you think so ? > > That's what the Buddha said..I think he was trying to say if there > is no 'suffering' there can be no appreciation of suffering in > others; call it understanding if you like. (Incidently, I'm not a > Buddhist) > > C.K. > Article 30991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Helen Ward" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3C55D1C3.94787362@dcnet2000.com> Subject: Re: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? Lines: 51 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:33:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.59.36.219 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1012260834 142.59.36.219 (Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:33:54 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:33:54 MST Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30991 Thanks for the reply - teak??? I guess it's longevity can partially justify it's cost - BUT the destruction of valuable rainforest ??? :-( I hope it's sustainably harvested from plantations. Don't the bees show any allergies to the oils in that wood? I though cedar was the same? Have you compared ytour production to others nearby using less exotic woods? Are they comparable? And if it's insect resistant - what does that make the bees? :-) Jeremy Goodwin wrote in message news:3C55D1C3.94787362@dcnet2000.com... > The solution for me is to construct the hives of a > moisture, mold and insect resistant wood and leave the > inside unpainted. From relatively inexpensive young > teak, there is no sign of damage after 15 years and > numerous vigorous cleanings. > JJ > > Helen Ward wrote: > > > > In typical hive construction I noticed there is not enough ways for all this > > humid air to escape effectively during the day. And any little vents become > > great draft sources by night. > > > > From my limited understanding of molecular bonding - no paint is 100% > > water-proof. In fact, I think that the more waterproof paints could cause > > even more moisture problems by retaining that infiltrated moisture layer > > longer . > > > > What do you guys in the field see with the interiors of your hives. If you > > paint them - does this paint flake away to a highly discoloured (dark, > > flaky) wood. > > If you don't paint the interiors - does this interior wood still show signs > > of moderate moisture damage (medium to dark discolourization). > > > > I would be interested in hearing from some about this matter. Has anyone > > tried a cutting a crosssection on some older or broken newer hives? What did > > you see? > > > > WHERE DOES A GUY LOOK FOR THE SCIENCE OF BEEKEEPING? Article 30992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3C55E3C2.94E65447@dcnet2000.com> From: Jeremy Goodwin Organization: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? References: <3C55D1C3.94787362@dcnet2000.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:50:26 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.2.54.118 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 1012261937 204.2.54.118 (Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:52:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:52:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.xnet.com!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30992 Young teak is harvested from the thinnings of teak farms, a sustainable form of silviculture. Costs are a minor factor, $2.50- $3.50 a board foot is usual in the USA. Insect resistant refers to the fact that all borers (exception marine borers), termites and carpenter ants, find it unpalatable. If the wood is kiln dried the oils are fixed and not a problem, although cell formation on the hive walls seems to be discouraged. The outside can just be wiped with a polymerizing oil instead of being painted, unless you require the reflective properties of white. In Costa Rica and Panama there seems to be no appreciable difference in yield from teak hives, and I have seen hives operating in excess of 30 years. JJ Article 30993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brewers Yeast and Soy Flour Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 01:30:46 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3c55f97d.214844454@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p18.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30993 On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:48:26 GMT, "Me" wrote: >Actually, I'm looking for a source of both Brewers Yeast and Soy Flour in 25 >to 50 lb. bags or drums as ingredients for pollen substitute. Can anyone >help me. I live in west Texas in the Midland Odessa area. >Lubbock is 95 miles north of me. > >Thanks >Mark > Try the International Sweetener Corporation. 1 800 227-8427. They are connected with the International Ingredients Corporation. They ship anywhere in the US. I got one hell of a deal on 18 barrels of out dated fructose syrup. beekeep Article 30994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? Date: 28 Jan 2002 18:51:31 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012272691 6389 127.0.0.1 (29 Jan 2002 02:51:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jan 2002 02:51:31 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30994 Howdy Helen -- For ventilation to let the moist air out I suggest that the inner cover have a round hold to fit a jar lid and a 1/4" notch or two in the upper rim. This lets the moist air escape. No need to worry about night temperatures. The bees cluster with the degree of compactness as is needed to keep the proper temperature. I use 3/8" entrnce all year to allow adequate ventilation. As for hive wood: Cypress is the wood of choice. Not in plentiful supply, but here in the South we find it readily enough at 1.35 to 1.50 per board foot. No painting required, but a treatment with sealer occasionally will preserve the color and prolong the life. With no treatment at all, the wood will last many years. With any wood, the bees coat the interior of the hive with propolis to create a varnish appearance. Pete Article 30995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brewers Yeast and Soy Flour Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:49:04 -0700 Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <3c55f97d.214844454@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool2-5.internode.net (198.161.229.197) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1012279777 39474217 198.161.229.197 (16 [58605]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pool2-5.internode.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30995 > I got one hell of a deal on 18 barrels of outdated fructose syrup. I hope the analysis is not off-spec. A lot of Western Canadian beekeepers lost pretty well all their wintering bees due to buying off-spec HFCS a few years ago. allen Article 30996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Anthony Morgan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:35:42 +0100 Organization: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=F8r=2DTr=F8ndelag?= University College Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3C565EDE.829D38B2@iet.hist.no> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: snipp.uninett.no 1012293384 21410 158.38.51.37 (29 Jan 2002 08:36:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@uninett.no X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!128.39.3.168!uninett.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30996 Helen -- With a normal sized entrance or an open mesh floor (OMF) the bees are able to ventilate the hive adequately themselves and there is NO moisture problem even during the winter. As you suggest top ventilation holes that can be necessary during the summer in a really warm climate will, if used without thought, create a "chimney" effect and overventilate. The choice of floor/top ventilation is dependent upon your location ie. climate. As for material and finish: Even pine with a moisture permeable paint on the outside will last many years. The inside should NOT be treated at all is my (and many others') recommendation. It is not necessary and many finishes give off volatiles for many years. If an insulated hive body is used, where the inner layer is often thin ply, thought should be given to the inner layer material so that one avoids a material that releases volatiles over time (f.example some glue types used for plywood). cheers Tony -- Anthony N Morgan, Førsteamanuensis Institutt for Elektroteknikk Høgskolen i Sør-Trøndelag N-7005 Trondheim, Norway anthony@iet.hist.no Tlf. 73 55 96 04 Fax. 73 55 95 81 Article 30997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brewers Yeast and Soy Flour Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:19:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3c5668eb.25594007@news1.radix.net> References: <3c55f97d.214844454@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newspeer2.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30997 On Mon, 28 Jan 2002 21:49:04 -0700, "Allen Dick" wrote: >> I got one hell of a deal on 18 barrels of outdated fructose syrup. > >I hope the analysis is not off-spec. A lot of Western Canadian beekeepers >lost pretty well all their wintering bees due to buying off-spec HFCS a few >years ago. > >allen > > Well it's 18 drums down and no losses attributed to it. beekeep Article 30998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Jan 2002 12:37:02 GMT References: <3c552fcd.163211459@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: It's Jan 27th and they're bringing the pollen in! Message-ID: <20020129073702.12361.00000004@mb-mf.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30998 Good Luck to you all Stateside. Here in UK we've got a few months to go yet. Bees are flying but only for cleansing flights at my hive. Happy beekeeping. 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(04849)40971 vika_bd@tm.odessa.ua Article 31000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Andrew Pedley" References: Subject: Re: Newbie asks "Where does all the moisture go"? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:09:56 -0000 Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-151-178.webport.bt.net 62.7.151.178 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!easynet-quince!easynet.net!stannard.sniffout.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31000 Hi Helen; brilliant book on the science of beekeeping by Scientific American, editor Gould; I keep my bees on "open mesh floors" essentially it is a completely open floor - the mesh is only there to keep mice out! allows massive ventilation; like this all year; bees do not mind cold, they form a cluster; they do mind damp, and with this omf, the vent is brilliant so no damp problems; I don't think anyone paints the inside of hives; they need to be flamed occasionally in the intersts of disease control; however the bees line them with propolyis. I agree painting hives with conventional - alkyd paints is folly - i treat mine with a microporous product, but do not think the metabolic moisture is significanly lost through the hive body; this is more so the water that drips on the hive can evaporate. I am conceernd that when there is a flow there is adequate vent in the hive, as they can collect 10 kg of nectar on a good day (if only!); and need to evaporate about 7Kg of H20 off that; bear in mind the litle darlings fan air over the comb to dry it, but that involves energy, so improving the ventilation lessens the effort that they need to underatke. Cheers Andy "Helen Ward" wrote in message news:CVj58.17034$M3.2931792@news1.telusplanet.net... > > In typical hive construction I noticed there is not enough ways for all this > humid air to escape effectively during the day. And any little vents become > great draft sources by night. > > From my limited understanding of molecular bonding - no paint is 100% > water-proof. In fact, I think that the more waterproof paints could cause > even more moisture problems by retaining that infiltrated moisture layer > longer . > > What do you guys in the field see with the interiors of your hives. If you > paint them - does this paint flake away to a highly discoloured (dark, > flaky) wood. > If you don't paint the interiors - does this interior wood still show signs > of moderate moisture damage (medium to dark discolourization). > > I would be interested in hearing from some about this matter. Has anyone > tried a cutting a crosssection on some older or broken newer hives? What did > you see? > > WHERE DOES A GUY LOOK FOR THE SCIENCE OF BEEKEEPING? > > > Article 31001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Beehive Recommendation? Date: 29 Jan 2002 14:41:20 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 50 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0201291441.53ff92bd@posting.google.com> References: <06jNKZFx$VV8EwUk@spamblock.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.47.50.176 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1012344080 3885 127.0.0.1 (29 Jan 2002 22:41:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jan 2002 22:41:20 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!nerim.net!isdnet!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31001 Yes, bee for bee, Mason and Bumble bees probably are more efficient than Honey bees, at least for certain jobs. There are other things to consider, however. It has already been pointed out that Mason bees are only active a short time early in the spring, when the fruit trees are in bloom. If fruit trees are your main concern, these may be something to think about. If you want Bumble bees, you either set out some suitable domiciles and hope one of them gets occupied (it's a small percentage), or you pay a lot of money to buy a colony from a comercial breeder with the knowledge that they do not overwinter. While Honeybees may not be as efficient, by sheer strength of numbers they will get a lot of pollination done and put up lots of honey as a bonus. As has also been pointed out, you will need some education and experience in order to successfully maintain a colony. Nuc. Gadget wrote in message news:<06jNKZFx$VV8EwUk@spamblock.com>... > On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, FalconFan wrote: > >I've been tasked by my girlfriend to get a small beehive for going for > >her. Her main goal in having one is to help with pollenation of her > >fruit trees and garden. > > >She's not really super interested in getting a lot of honey from them > > >She lives in a subdivision so we need fairly nonagressive strain of bee > >I guess. Can you all recommend a strain of bees, > > > I'm led to believe that Mason bees and Bumble bees are more efficient > pollinators than Honey bees. Added advantages, less aggressive and low > maintenance. > > Have a look at: > > http://www.biopol.nl/UK/BumbleBees.htm > > http://www.koppert.nl/e0117.shtml > > http://www.mearns.org.uk/mrssmith/bees/faq.htm > > http://www.beehoo.com/f_the.php?theme=Bumblebees > > http://www.oxbeeco.com/ > > http://www.bucknur.com/acatalog/Index_Pollination_Bees_27.html#a803 > > http://www.btinternet.com/~bury_rd/mason.htm > > http://www.knoxcellars.com/ Article 31002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Fritz and Joyce Ludwig" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Small Beehive Recommendation? Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:32:50 -0500 Organization: OWDS Inc. Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <06jNKZFx$VV8EwUk@spamblock.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust84.tnt3.anderson.sc.da.uu.net X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 1012347173 23744 63.31.64.84 (29 Jan 2002 23:32:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:32:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!news.stealth.net!nntp5.savvis.net!uunet!dfw.uu.net!sea.uu.net!news.chatlink.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31002 Hi, From personal experience, I can recommend for equipment: Walter T. Kelley Company, Inc. P.O. Box 240 Clarkson, Kentucky 42726 800-233-2899 For bees: The Wilbanks Apiaries, Inc. P.O. Box 12 Claxton, Georgia 30417 912-739-4820 "Gadget" wrote in message news:06jNKZFx$VV8EwUk@spamblock.com... > On Sun, 27 Jan 2002, FalconFan wrote: > >I've been tasked by my girlfriend to get a small beehive for going for > >her. Her main goal in having one is to help with pollenation of her > >fruit trees and garden. > > >She's not really super interested in getting a lot of honey from them > > >She lives in a subdivision so we need fairly nonagressive strain of bee > >I guess. Can you all recommend a strain of bees, > > > I'm led to believe that Mason bees and Bumble bees are more efficient > pollinators than Honey bees. Added advantages, less aggressive and low > maintenance. > > Have a look at: > > http://www.biopol.nl/UK/BumbleBees.htm > > http://www.koppert.nl/e0117.shtml > > http://www.mearns.org.uk/mrssmith/bees/faq.htm > > http://www.beehoo.com/f_the.php?theme=Bumblebees > > http://www.oxbeeco.com/ > > http://www.bucknur.com/acatalog/Index_Pollination_Bees_27.html#a803 > > http://www.btinternet.com/~bury_rd/mason.htm > > http://www.knoxcellars.com/ > > -- > > Gadget > to email me direct use; > gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk > sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 31003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Viktoria" Newsgroups: nikolaev.commerce.energo,nikolaev.commerce.metals,odessa.commerce,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,ukr.business,ukr.commerce,ukr.commerce.estate,ukr.commerce.household,ukr.commerce.misc,ukr.commerce.money,ukr.commerce.price-lists Subject: =?koi8-r?B?8NLPxMHNINXT1MHOz9fL1SDSz9rMydfP3s7PLdXL1dDP0s/eztXA?= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 19:31:35 -0000 Organization: S&PE Telematika Lines: 32 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dp-0-15.tm.odessa.ua Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: News.TM.Odessa.UA 1012356441 38025 195.66.212.15 (30 Jan 2002 02:07:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@News.Odessa.Net NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Jan 2002 02:07:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!isdnet!carrier.kiev.ua!news.odessa.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31003 =F0=D2=CF=C4=C1=CD =D5=D3=D4=C1=CE=CF=D7=CB=D5 = =D2=CF=DA=CC=C9=D7=CF=DE=CE=CF-=D5=CB=D5=D0=CF=D2=CF=DE=CE=D5=C0 = =D0=D2=CF=C9=DA=D7=CF=C4=D3=D4=D7=C1=20 =E1=C8=D4=D9=D2=D3=CB=CF=C7=CF =EF=F0=EF "=F0=D2=CF=CD=D3=D7=D1=DA=D8" =F0=D2=C5=C4=CE=C1=DA=CE=C1=DE=C5=CE=C1 : =C4=CC=D1 = =D2=CF=DA=CC=C9=D7=C1 =D7=D3=C5=C8 =D7=C9=C4=CF=D7 = =D0=C9=DD=C5=D7=D9=C8 =D6=C9=C4=CB=CF=D3=D4=C5=CA = (=CC=C9=CD=CF=CE=C1=C4=C1,=D0=C9=D7=C1, = =CD=C9=CE=C5=D2=C1=CC=D8=CE=CF=CA =D7=CF=C4=D9, = =D3=CF=CB=CF=D7,=D3=C9=D2=CF=D0=CF=D7 =C9 =D4.=C4. ) =D7 = =D3=D4=C5=CB=CC=D1=CE=CE=D9=C5 =C2=D5=D4=D9=CC=CB=C9 = =C5=CD=CB=CF=D3=D4=D8=C0 0,25 ,0,33 , 0,5 , =C9 0,7 =CC =C9 =D5=CB=D5=D0=CF=D2=CB=C9 =C9=C8 =D3=D4=C1=CE=C4=C1=D2=D4=CE=D9=CD=C9 = =CD=C5=D4=C1=CC=C9=DE=C5=D3=CB=C9=CD=C9 = =CB=D2=CF=CE=C5=CE=D0=D2=CF=C2=CB=C1=CD=C9 =D0=CF =EF=F3=F4 10167-88 . --- =F4=C5=C8=CE=C9=DE=C5=D3=CB=C1=D1 = =D0=D2=CF=C9=DA=D7=CF=C4=C9=D4=C5=CC=D8=CE=CF=D3=D4=D8 =CC=C9=CE=C9=C9 : = 650-75- =C2=D5=D4 =D7 =DE=C1=D3 . --- =CD=CF=DD=CE=CF=D3=D4=D8 =F7=D4 = 0,37=20 ---=E7=C1=C2=C1=D2=C9=D4=CE=D9=C5 =D2=C1=DA=CD=C5=D2=D9 ,=CD=CD : = 350=C8750=C82200. ---=CD=C1=D3=D3=C1 ,=CB=C7 = 100 . =F3 =D5=D7=C1=D6=C5=CE=C9=C5=CD , =F7.=F7=C1=D3=C9=CC=C5=CE=CB=CF =20 (04849)40971 . =20 Article 31004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Airtel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Almond trees in full bloom. Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:01:13 +0100 Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.181 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.181 Message-ID: <3c579442$1@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1012372546 212.166.159.181 (30 Jan 2002 07:35:46 +0100) Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:31004 The season just started, the almond tree are in full bloom, they are carrying plenty of pollen, there is plenty of activity. (I suppose that you guy in southern California have the same conditions). From Mallorca, Spain Jose Matas.