From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Sat Jan 2 06:03:27 EST 1999 Article: 15345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 03:13:39 GMT Organization: Or Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <368bd9b2.848789@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <19981230165103.27405.00003451@ng138.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: pm6-177.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 31 Dec 1998 03:12:53 GMT, pm6-177.nildram.co.uk Lines: 25 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!pm6-177.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15345 On 30 Dec 1998 21:51:03 GMT, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: >Why do people want royal jelly? > >I have tasted it a few times when clearing queen cells and it does not taste >all that good. > > Health food stores will buy it, for the cranky diet types. My personal opinion is that it is of benefit if you are a bee, but not much use otherwise. It appears in many cosmetics, and 'medicines'. It's very 'clatty' (fiddly) to gather; this shouldn't stop anyone selling it for premium prices, if you can get people to pay for it, that is.. One method is to produce lots of queen larvae, then rob them. Like propolis, it's not a major crop, but the return may well be worth it. Personally, I wouldn't bother, but then I'm only a small scale hobbyist(1) (1) With BIG hopes. -- kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk new quiz @ .../quizform.htm From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jan 2 06:03:28 EST 1999 Article: 15346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Royal Jelly Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Dec 1998 21:51:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981230165103.27405.00003451@ng138.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15346 Why do people want royal jelly? I have tasted it a few times when clearing queen cells and it does not taste all that good. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:28 EST 1999 Article: 15347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-dc-3.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.238.120.130!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:03:50 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 69 Message-ID: <76et36$tsu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <368258A7.769C@juno.com> <36879AAF.7CCB@juno.com> <768goj$kbd$1@golux.radix.net> <01be332b$9e5f2b40$5cc92bcf@petty.negia.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 31 04:03:50 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x13.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15347 In article <01be332b$9e5f2b40$5cc92bcf@petty.negia.net>, "petty" wrote: > > > Adam Finkelstein wrote in article > <768goj$kbd$1@golux.radix.net>... > > > > You mention PMS and AFB in the same sentence--are the symptoms for these > > two diseases appearing sporadically? > > > > In the Mid-Atlantic I've noticed that varroa tolerance in stocks will > > often be proceeded by huge breakdowns of PMS/AFB like symptoms. After > > this, selection for further tolerance is easy--if there is anything > > left. :) > > Adam - Your observation related here mirrors HIP experience with our HIP 2 year Untreated Thriving Survival (UTS) test yards. That being that DISEASE RESISTANCE is apparently MORE IMPORTANT to actual untreated survivability than is mere ability to maintain a low parasite load (rare as that is). We noted that when we first got started and it continues to appear that way to this day. It is for this reason that HIP remains exceedingly skeptical of claims about resistant stock made via ANY short term test protocol. In a nutshell and without mincing words HIP has watched hives with relatively high ability to keep mite population in check crash under our long term test LONG before bees with only moderate ability to check mite population but with higher disease resistance ability. It continues to be the opinion of HIP that it takes a combination of traits to achieve actual UTS under pressure >from both tracheal and Varroa mites. While it remains easier to breed for one trait alone to date our long term testing does not indicate that to be the best avenue to take. We have watched a number of hand selected "bees with promise" initially look very good indeed only to disappoint us by crashing while our mill run HIP stock was still cruising along. Point being - any short test protocol that ain't never been accurately correlated against the real world might just oughta be held suspect until it has been so correlated. And if any of you think you have some stock that possibly can pass our HIP test please do make arrangements with me to send it so can find out - but only if you are from the USA or Canada as we can't get bees from nowheres else thanks to USDA regs.. We do appreciate those who have sent us stock to test even if it did come up wanting - ya don't know if'n ya don't try. > was that "outbreaks" or "breakdowns"? can you elaborate on that? outbreaks of PMS (Parasitic Mite Syndrome) cause breakdowns of colonies quite often - generally this is seen as multiple diseases in same hive - as per DWV (deformed wing virus) - bee paralysis - sacbrood - chalkbrood - European Foulbrood and sometimes American Foulbrood - all in the same hive at the same time ---- some colonies get PMS with a low mite load - others don't get PMS until they have 5 times the mite load - and of course the good ones just don't get PMS at all - of course you bee breeders see here that you have to have resistance to several diseases including likely imunity to some viruses to "never get PMS" and that makes it a challenge to find and even more of a challenge to maintain in a breeding population - it is a challenge we continue to work at but have yet to be complete victors of. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Honeybee Improvement Program (HIP) Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:29 EST 1999 Article: 15348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!cyclone.swbell.net!nntp.giganews.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Population control Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:25:59 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 34 Message-ID: <76eucm$utc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 31 04:25:59 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15348 In article , "Rusty" wrote: > How does one keep a hive with plenty of room space---without starting a new > hive or super? > > ;-) it's real simple to keep from having to start a new hive or add a new super via the most severe "population control" (totally eliminates such problems as swarming too) - just dust them down moderately well with Sevin - the bees will die - the comb will adsorb enough of the chemical to protect it >from wax moth for a fairly long while as well as making it basically worthless for bees though still attractive to bees - however realize this ain't the way to do it if ya wanna have bees ;-) now to be serious - you gotta give them space (new supers) to accomodate expanding population - it is VERY normal for honeybee population to double or even triple from its overwintered number to its peak honey production number - sometime before then it is also normal to swarm unless you do something to ATTEMPT to prevent it - you can prevent swarming without increasing hive numbers (but with increased super numbers) via running two queen colonies which are intentionally allowed to recombine at the start of the aimed for flow. Most often some increase in hive numbers is needed to make up for normal losses. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From amschelp@pe.net Sat Jan 2 06:03:30 EST 1999 Article: 15349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ochlockonee River Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:53:25 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <19981230163827.01030.00000273@ng-cg1.aol.com> <19981230195713.11014.00003877@ng122.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c3p032.hem.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 915076282 6578 216.100.28.32 (31 Dec 1998 03:51:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 1998 03:51:22 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15349 Would a bee museum be similar to a flea circus? > Gimme a hollar if you have specific questions on beekeeping in the "good > ol' days." My wife is trying to set up a bee museum/ park.......... > > From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:30 EST 1999 Article: 15350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!news.globix.net!news-pen-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flaming Queens? Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 03:17:25 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 58 Message-ID: <76eqc4$rp1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <7636ut$r7f$1@ligarius.ultra.net> <19981226201102.28988.00002276@ng146.aol.com> <36880f19.8815945@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.26 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Dec 31 03:17:25 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x1.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15350 In article <36880f19.8815945@news.jps.net>, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net wrote: > On 27 Dec 1998 01:11:02 GMT, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > >i've had quite a lot of enjoyment out of the cordovan strain of italians from > >glen apiaries in calif. unfortunately i cant get any more due to afric > >quarrantine. > > You got a "line" from one queen breeder who has set up his own > personal African bee quarantine for his own reasons. There is no > African Bee or queen quarantine in California or is one planned. Of course the "quarantine" he mentions need not be via CA made. It is quite possible for a "state" to restrict bee imports "from areas known to harbor AHB" (or anything else they care to "ineptly try" to keep out) - fact is last time I checked a few states "east of the Mississippi" do indeed have such regs on the books already. So perhaps it ain't a "line" he is being fed by "one queen breeder . . . for his own reasons" but rather a bit of misunderstanding/misintrepretation/misreading on the part of some other(s). > Try to find a different bee breeder for Cordovan type bees. You would > be better off in my opinion to have a suppler near enough to you and > transport them yourself if that is possible. As to this part of Andy's advice I agree wholeheartedly - a supplier from whom you can pick up FRESHLY picked queens is the best if you don't raise your own. Getting queens into your already ready hives before they have a chance to shrink down is definitely best. Though just why one would want color mutants I have not a clue. (novelty perhaps??) The prettiest bees to me are the ones that get the job done and the job we give them via our HIP test definitely hasn't left us with a bunch of color mutants of any description getting it done though color mutants have been tested along with lots of other strains. That said as I have pointed out before Richard Adee (probably the biggest beekeeper in the world) loves color mutants just for the sake of easier to find queens (it DOES save him thousands of man hours of paid labor) - his color mutants tend to be cordovans of the Starline variety (not all Starline queens are Cordovan though as this is not a unanimous point of agreement among Hybribees stockholders). -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From amschelp@pe.net Sat Jan 2 06:03:31 EST 1999 Article: 15351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees over the Seasonal Hump Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:02:57 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: c3p032.hem.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 915076854 6578 216.100.28.32 (31 Dec 1998 04:00:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 1998 04:00:54 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15351 Last week while the weather got down below freezing here in So. Cal. my bees were quiet as church mice in their top bar hive, and I even found myself getting a little worried about them. Today, as the old sun is slowly working its way back toward the middle of the sky, there were lots of them out, angrily working the blue blossoms on the rosemary plants. We are thankful for our marvellous bees. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:31 EST 1999 Article: 15352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Comb Honey Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 06:05:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981231010548.05092.00004567@ng94.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15352 >ets hear some good tips on consuming comb honey---what to tell friends to >do with it when you give them some!!!!!! > its one of the few things in nature that comes out exactly like it went in. bees wax is undigestible and will pass through the intestinal tract quite easily. There was a study done once that i seem to remember from paramedic school where it was tried as an absorbing agent for types of poisons. I do not recall the out come nor the people who i should credit for the study, sorry. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:32 EST 1999 Article: 15353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flaming Queens? Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 05:56:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <76eqc4$rp1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19981231005621.05092.00004558@ng94.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15353 >hough just why one would want color mutants I have not a clue. (novelty >perhaps??) The prettiest bees to me are the ones that get the job done and >the job we give them via our HIP test Hi jack i feel i must elaborate at this point . history : my cordovan's came from Lathans bee farm bout 2 hrs south of me in aberdeen NC. Mr Bill Lathan got his stock from Glen aparies in calif. Not only are these italians prolific producers but are quite literally almost " Tame " they build up super fast are very hardy and have shown no signs of pms or any other disease susceptability in the 2 years i've had them. My wish had been to buy some first line queens direct from glenn instead of 3rd generation daughters from bill ( not that his aren't just as good mind you !!! ) I just wanted some out of town girls to add to the harem,, don't ya know. Was all prepared to buy 6 for a partial requeening when my e-mail came back reporting that it was a NO GO since africans had been discovered within 50 mi of glenn. I could hjowever get artifically inseminated ladies for 40 bucks a piece, needless to say my 20 hive sideline /hobby couldn't afford that. I must agree that i do not recall whether it was a NC law or a Calif law that put the brakes on things, but i would probably say it's on this end. Oh btw, have my eye on a ferral colony, still viable after 3 years observation, definately no treatment applied, if i take them this spring do you want a sample and if so just how ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From rustyho@email.msn.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:32 EST 1999 Article: 15354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rusty" Subject: Royal Jelly Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:23:36 -0500 Lines: 3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-20.tc-1.wpb.smartworld.net [12.14.110.148] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15354 Info on how to produce and harvest?????? From doyle60@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:33 EST 1999 Article: 15355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 15:21:54 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19981231102154.01040.00000733@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15355 Thanks for the answers. Here is another question: I am writing a humorous song on a beekeeper. I need a reason why the bees would be mad at the beekeeper for taking the honey. In my song the beekeeper believes that his bees are swarming after him. He's a bit "touched," if you dont mind. The reason has to be very simple and be able to be expressed in very few words. I am still looking for the pronounciation of Ochlockonee and am amused that Dave mentioned the Pee Dee River. There is an original manuscript of Stephen Foster's song "Old Folks at Home (Swannee River)" with "Pee Dee" crossed out and "Swannee" written in. I must be on the right track. Doyle60 From pollinator@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:34 EST 1999 Article: 15356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ochlockonee River Lines: 49 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 00:57:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981230163827.01030.00000273@ng-cg1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981230195713.11014.00003877@ng122.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15356 From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) >I am writing a fictional story and thought it would be fun to get some good >details in. I would appreciate answsers to the following: > >How do you pronounce Ochlockonee as in the Ochlockonee River? Is it >Oak-LOCK-con-knee? You got me! Never heard of it. Or is this your fictional river? >Is this the only place where Tupolo honey can be "grown"? Tupelo gum trees grow on all southeastern rivers, and tupelo honey is made in North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, and probably farther west, tho I have no direct knowledge on that. Tupelo honey is a premium honey. There is an organization that certifies honey from the Appalachicola River area as tupelo, probably based on pollen analysis. But any good beekeeper can make it, in the areas where the tree grows. >What are some towns along this river older than 1850 where a person may come >from that sells Tupulo honey? Georgetown, SC is a very scenic, historic small city on the Pee Dee River of South Carolina. I think it would be a great setting for a historic novel. Of course Savannah and Charleston usually get the honors. Another interesting and very old town is Beaufort, SC. >I have seen some scenes on my CD-Rom Encyclopedia on how bees communicate to >other bees the location of food. Is there a good National Geographic or >other >documentary on bees? If you put ten beekeepers and bee scientists together in a room, you'll get 11 different opinions on this. But then again, you will on any beekeeping topic....... >I am writing a fictional story and thought it would be fun to get some good >details in. > Gimme a hollar if you have specific questions on beekeeping in the "good ol' days." My wife is trying to set up a bee museum/ park.......... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sat Jan 2 06:03:34 EST 1999 Article: 15357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!srcc!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Population control Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:48:38 -0500 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 56 Message-ID: <368BB8F6.D284B3CC@valley.net> References: <76eucm$utc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v5-p-217.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15357 Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > In article , > "Rusty" wrote: > > How does one keep a hive with plenty of room space---without starting a new > > hive or super? > > > > > > ;-) it's real simple to keep from having to start a new hive or add a new > super via the most severe "population control" (totally eliminates such > problems as swarming too) - just dust them down moderately well with Sevin - > the bees will die - the comb will adsorb enough of the chemical to protect it > from wax moth for a fairly long while as well as making it basically > worthless for bees though still attractive to bees - however realize this > ain't the way to do it if ya wanna have bees ;-) > > now to be serious - you gotta give them space (new supers) to accomodate > expanding population - it is VERY normal for honeybee population to double or > even triple from its overwintered number to its peak honey production number > - sometime before then it is also normal to swarm unless you do something to > ATTEMPT to prevent it - you can prevent swarming without increasing hive > numbers (but with increased super numbers) via running two queen colonies > which are intentionally allowed to recombine at the start of the aimed for > flow. Most often some increase in hive numbers is needed to make up for > normal losses. > jeez, jack, you scared the beejezus outta me with that first paragraph! thought you got taken over by the pod people or something. glad i read the second one. ;) not sure i understand rusty's question; isn't the point of it all to get a healthy colony to which you add supers as needed? if the question is how to keep the base colony from swarming, without having to add supers when the time is not right, then another possibility is to run a three deep brood box hive. that is what i'm doing with my hobby hives, got one up to 3 deeps last year and the other one is in 2 deeps now, heading for 3 in the spring. the 3 deep colony was a real producer. even though the colony was huge, it seemed to have plenty of room. of course, i'll find out this spring, if there were enough stores for them. will be interesting to see how the two hives compare as far as overwintering and spring build-up. hope this helps, bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From pollinator@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:35 EST 1999 Article: 15358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees over the Seasonal Hump Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 31 Dec 1998 20:14:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19981231151436.27394.00004318@ng138.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15358 From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) >Last week while the weather got down below freezing here in So. Cal. my >bees were quiet as church mice in their top bar hive, and I even found >myself getting a little worried about them. Today, as the old sun is >slowly working its way back toward the middle of the sky, there were lots >of them out, angrily working the blue blossoms on the rosemary plants. We >are thankful for our marvellous bees. Well, you are probably ahead of us here in S. Carolina. But it is nice to see them get what they can, when they can. We've had some dismal gray days, and a little below freezing (mid 20's last night). But today, with bright sunshine, no wind, and a thermometer barely into the 50's, the bees are busily carry yellow pollen. I hadn't noticed any anger; my bees are all smiling.... ;o) Indeed they are marvelous. More cold coming, they day, so I'm glad they got what they could. Next week we start checking and feeding some. In a month we'll be feeding whether they need it or not. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:36 EST 1999 Article: 15359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <368ba636.67840577@news1.newscene.com> Subject: Re: Books for beginners? Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 915145613 209.69.69.104 (Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:06:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:06:53 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:09:08 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15359 Get subscriptions to American Bee Journal and Bee Culture Magazines- You will get lots of inspiration, and also find information on locating your local beekeepers groups. Best of Luck! From zickefoose@sssnet.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:36 EST 1999 Article: 15360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Don Zickefoose" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wiring New frames Date: 31 Dec 1998 23:01:23 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 38 Message-ID: <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.117.158.75 X-Trace: 915145283 YNHQGLJ5S9E4BD175C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15360 Hello, I bought myself the starter hive kit that I have been wanting for christmas. I have put together the hive boddies, painted the outside of them. put together the bottom board, inner cover, and outer cover. Now for the frames. I have twenty frames, and 20 sheets of wired foundation. The frames have a ridge which looks as though it is going to snap off in the top, I assume that this is to be snapped off, the wires on the foundation wraped around it, and then nailed back in place. The bog question for me is wiring the frames. The books I have read indicate that the frames should be wired, and there are holes on the side of the frames, and I have these things that look like nails which have been split down the middle to go into the holes. What kind of wire should I use since none came in my kit? should the wire alternate the sides of the wax, or should I just wire the frames, then set the foundation on top of the wires before nailing the ridge, and placing one of the bottom bars? I notice that when I place ten frames in the hive body, that there is enough space left over for an eleventh frame. when I do introduce my package in the spring, how should I space the frames so I dont get a ton of bur comb and propils build in the space, and on the frames? When the frames are placed tightly together, they look like the following top view: | (----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----] | | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | ~ ~ | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | | [----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----) | is this correct? Thanks in advance for the help. -dz- From eahlsenNOSPAM@maine.rr.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:37 EST 1999 Article: 15361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Subject: Re: Wintering advice please... Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Reply-To: "rick" References: <3685BAC9.2510B4BC@golden.net> Message-ID: <01be3510$b4c65c00$23955d18@ericahls.maine.rr.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 8 Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:57:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 915145066 24.93.149.35 (Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:57:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:57:46 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15361 For the past 18 winters in southern Maine I found that providing a windbreak is probably the best thing one can do. I drive in a few 4-5 ft. iron stakes on the north side and nail a sheet of plywood (from the dump) to them. Any kind of insulation you apply will only cause moisture problems. Placing your hives on the southern side of a fence or a windbreak of evergreens would do as well. It was a brisk -8 degrees this morning....... From kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk Sat Jan 2 06:03:38 EST 1999 Article: 15362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk (Kidney John) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:58:01 GMT Organization: Or Chaos: You Choose Message-ID: <3690d79c.9150987@goodnews.nildram.co.uk> References: <19981231102154.01040.00000733@ng-cg1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-38.dial.nildram.co.uk X-Trace: 1 Jan 1999 00:57:13 GMT, ppp47-38.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!195.112.4.37.MISMATCH!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-38.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15362 On 31 Dec 1998 15:21:54 GMT, doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) wrote: >Thanks for the answers. Here is another question: > >I am writing a humorous song on a beekeeper. I need a reason why the bees >would be mad at the beekeeper for taking the honey. There's your answer. -- kj@jaf.nildramNOSPAM.co.uk www.jaf.nildram.co.uk new quiz @ .../quizform.htm From anglin@mi.verio.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:38 EST 1999 Article: 15363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!hub1.ispnews.com!news15.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose> Subject: Re: Wiring New frames Lines: 55 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Trace: news15.ispnews.com 915148067 209.69.69.104 (Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:47:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 18:47:47 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 06:49:54 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15363 Beginner kits usually come with clips that hold the foundation in place and keep it from bowing out of the vertical. (I will get to that .) Don't put the wax in the frames too long before you plan to recieve your bees- It is likely to become warped or dameged. Wait untill just a week or so before you expect your bees. Remove the removeable wedge (that piece you noticed can come loose) clean out the burr of wood that is left in the groove with your hive tool. Your foundation wire should extend out from the top edge of the foundation, and be bent over at a 90 degree angle. Place the wax into the frame, with the bottom edge in the little groove in the bottom bar. The bent wires should lay neatly into the notch cut in the top bar, so you can place that slice that you removed over those wire fingers, press it snug up to the wax to press it tight in the center, and staple or nail the wedge back into place to hold everything snug. Nail one end of the wedgewhile pressing it into place, shift to pressing the opposite end, nail, and the press and nail a couple of spots in the middle. You do not want the wax falling out or sagging! Now you need those little metal clips with the slots in them- they look a little like old fashioned clothespins. Inseret one through one of the holes in the edge of the frame so that the two legs come out on either side of the sheet of wax. Presto, the wax is prevented from bowingfrom side to side. One or two clips on each side is usually enough to kepp it pretty straight. This job is easier with one of the wax insetion boards that the beekeeping catalogs sell. This is just a board with a couple of pieses of wood attached to it that are just the right size and thickness to fit inside a frame and support the wax as you put it in the frame and put the wedge in place. If you want to wire the wax horizintally youwill have to invest in one of these boars (Or make one) and buy wire, and a spur rowel. I have tried this, and it works, but I now prefer to buy wax coated plastic foundation. (Pierco, or Rite cell) with deeply molded cell bases formed right in the plastic. It snaps right in place, no wire or clips. It does not warp or Bow, little drone comb is built, and if you get wax moths, you can just scrape off the mess, and the bees build the comb back as good as new. I highly recommend this to any beginner because of it's ease of use. I can't recommed this stuff highly enough!! Mann Lake sells a Complete medium super kit, and a complete deep super (Hive body) kit that come with everything including the plasticell foundation- these are a pretty good deal for the hobbyist (Deep complete: $28.00, Medium (6 5/8"): $23.00 ) Mann Lakes # is 1-800-233-6663 and their website is www.mannlakeltd.com Dadant and other suppliers also sell versions of this type of foundation- I recommend you try it for your second hive body or for extracting supers when the time comes. I do not like Duragilt plastic base wax foundation- this is a sheet of flat plastic with wax fundation presses onto both sides. The bees chew this down and build drone comb, if anything. I tried it and cannot recommend it. From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jan 2 06:03:39 EST 1999 Article: 15364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jan 1999 03:46:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981231150812.27394.00004316@ng138.aol.com> Message-ID: <19981231224618.13903.00005178@ng98.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15364 >eekeepers, we take umbridge. And you'd better NOT malign our >charges.......... > > >Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA >T I second that emotion, if you're out to make a buck off us by singin some damn killer bee song then i hope ya loose ya voice !!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 2 06:03:40 EST 1999 Article: 15365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wiring New frames Date: 1 Jan 1999 04:39:20 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 85 Message-ID: <01be3540$e81c4b20$ec17480c@default> References: <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.23.236 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15365 Don Zickefoose wrote in article <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose>... > Hello, > > I bought myself the starter hive kit that I have been wanting for > christmas. Congrats. Sorry you had to buy it yourself. > I have put together the hive boddies, painted the outside of them. put > together the bottom board, inner cover, and outer cover. Now for the > frames. I have twenty frames, and 20 sheets of wired foundation. The frames > have a ridge which looks as though it is going to snap off in the top, I > assume that this is to be snapped off, the wires on the foundation wraped > around it, and then nailed back in place. The bog question for me is wiring > the frames. The books I have read indicate that the frames should be wired, > and there are holes on the side of the frames, and I have these things that > look like nails which have been split down the middle to go into the holes. > What kind of wire should I use since none came in my kit? The break-away piece is to wedge the foundation against the top bar. If you have the pins and these will not be frames for extracting, you don't need to wire them. The pins hold the foundation in the correct plane until the bees have drawn it out. > should the wire alternate the sides of the wax, or should I just wire the > frames, then set the foundation on top of the wires before nailing the > ridge, and placing one of the bottom bars? When wiring (which you don't need to do), wire the frame first then lay the foundation on it. > I notice that when I place ten frames in the hive body, that there is > enough space left over for an eleventh frame. when I do introduce my > package in the spring, how should I space the frames so I dont get a ton of > bur comb and propils build in the space, and on the frames? You will soon need to remove 1 of the frames and run with 9/body. 10 is real crowded once the bees draw them out and it makes for a frustrating time to remove the 1st one during inspections. Just make sure you start with 10 frames since you are starting with foundation. If you start with 9 you will get alot of poor comb. After you get 9 good frames for a body, just space the evenly. You can buy spacers but I don't think they are necessary. As to when you introduce, that depends on where you live. > When the frames are placed tightly together, they look like the following > top view: > > > > | (----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----](----] | > | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | > | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | > ~ ~ > | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | > | ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- | > | [----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----)[----) | > > is this correct? Watch for brace comb along the outside frames. Take a look at Pierco frames or plasticell foundation if you want good comb and save a lot of time. Likewise, stay away from DuraGilt. > > Thanks in advance for the help. > -dz- > -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail From anglin@mi.verio.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:01 EST 1999 Article: 15366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!news12.ispnews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What is this "beekeeping" device on Ebay??? Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.114 X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 915203278 209.69.69.114 (Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:07:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 10:07:58 EDT Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 22:10:13 -0800 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15366 Ebay auction 52196995 is a "RARE Hubbard Section Press - bee box mfg. " Does anyone know what this is and how it was used? I thought a section press was used for putting together the little basswood boxes for comb honey, but this thing is BIG; Five feet long and 9 inches wide. Could it be for clamping and gluing hive bodies??? From tomasmozer@juno.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:02 EST 1999 Article: 15367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:43:24 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 26 Message-ID: <368ABA9C.68FB@juno.com> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <368258A7.769C@juno.com> <36879AAF.7CCB@juno.com> <768goj$kbd$1@golux.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915118014 OCZ7E7JIA482ED11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: adamf@vt.edu CC: mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15367 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > Like? Please elaborate or have the person with the elaborative authority do > so. Maybe Tom Sanford would care to comment? you can contact mr. laurence cutts, florida state apiarist, at the division of plant industry office in gainesville:(352)372-3505...dr.m.t.sanford is familiar with these bees, although not directly involved in any research... > You mention PMS and AFB in the same sentence--are the symptoms for these > two diseases appearing sporadically? the pms/afb symptoms occur intermittently with variable intensity, perhaps cycling with the nectar flow and/or other environmental stresses...eventually most stocks succumb, but some hang on and bounce back for another cycle... > In the Mid-Atlantic I've noticed that varroa tolerance in stocks will > often be proceeded by huge breakdowns of PMS/AFB like symptoms. After > this, selection for further tolerance is easy--if there is anything > left. :)this is basically the phenomenon we are observing, working with naturally selected feral swarms that have survived these outbreaks, hived with limited maintenance under semi-controlled conditions at best...more like natural history than science at this point...maybe this thread has stirred up enough interest to focus more individual/institutional attention on the possible implications! From doyle60@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:02 EST 1999 Article: 15368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jan 1999 19:04:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981231224618.13903.00005178@ng98.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990101140414.09665.00004536@ng-fd2.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15368 Dave Green, Thanks for your post. I appreciate it greatly. I don't think you would find the song offensive in the least. Actually, he is not a beekeeper but a honey salesman in the 1850's. He most likely buys his honey from a beekeeper. The word "beekeeper" is not used at all. By trying to make my question as simple as possible, I have seemed to offend you. Though beekeepers may be honey salesman, mine is not. I could explain but do not really want to disscuss the story. I hope you understand. Even if he were a beekeeper, I still don't think you would find it offensive. I certainly never heard the stereotype that beekeepers are crazy. In fact, I began writing the piece because I thought it would be a great hobby. I probably will not add a reason for the honey salesman's belief. Perhaps just a guilt trip. Doyle60 From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:03 EST 1999 Article: 15369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis tincture Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jan 1999 17:21:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990101122115.21157.00005460@ng95.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15369 Recieved mail requesting how i made mine, thought I'd post for all. Tintcure of propolis. take a quart mason jar, scrape up all the propolis you can get. ( what i do at the end of a season is remove all my cleaned out drawn out frames from my supers so that the frames can be stored in large rubbermade containers with PDB for wax moth control. Clean all propolis from the frames and super boxes and put it into the quart jar ) here we can purchace Everclear a pure 100 proof grain alcohol. its about 7.00 per pint. (close to medical grade even better actually ) pour the alcohol over the propolis to cover aprox 2 inches above the propolis. allow to sit for a week to start with, tightly capped of course. then shake around every few days. notice that the solution will seperate, add a little more alcohol as needed this will render more tintchure. you must not add too much, or the saturation point will be aborted and you will need more propolis. what i usually end up with is approx. 4 " of deep brown tintchur sitting on top of about 2 inches of a milky substance. use a very small siphon tube to draw off the pure tincture ( the top layer) store tightly closed until you collect enough to bottle and sell. add more alcohol to the milky substance and the process starts again. Only once have i been able to completely take up all of the propolis into saturation solution. I'm sure there may be an exact formula somewhere but by doing it this way ( drawing off top layers) you will always have a perfect tincture. Mine sold for 4.50 this year, i use little 1/4 ounce medicine bottles. thats 4.50 per 1/4 ounce, I'd say it's worth the trouble on a small scale like we work with. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From doyle60@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:03 EST 1999 Article: 15370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 1 Jan 1999 19:07:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19981231140234.01059.00003981@ng-cd1.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990101140730.09665.00004537@ng-fd2.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15370 Tom wrote: >Ever consider keeping a hive of bees before you write about them? Would definitelay put you in back in touch with nature. Yes, that is why the idea came to me. Do not assume that I am not in touch with nature because I do not keep bees at this time. Doyle60 From rustyho@email.msn.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:04 EST 1999 Article: 15371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Rusty" Subject: South Florida? Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 13:54:31 -0500 Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-15.tc-1.wpb.smartworld.net [12.14.110.143] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15371 Hello :-) Starting a colony here in South Florida soon---I'm a beginner---had one previous hive but personal reasons forced me to abandon it---so starting anew----Would like a mentor-----I Plan to start with 2 brood chambers and 2 shallow comb supers. Need tips on harvest first----like when and how------I am a BEGINNER--- From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:04 EST 1999 Article: 15372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis medicinal uses of ? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jan 1999 00:07:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01be350e$43e8d820$4feb869f@default> Message-ID: <19990101190717.18272.00005913@ng145.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15372 > require information on the use of propolis as a treatment for colds etc. all we ever used it for was like iodine, on cuts etc.. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Brownine@tinet.ie Mon Jan 4 17:32:05 EST 1999 Article: 15373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!news-lond.gip.net!news-stkh.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Val Browne" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis medicinal uses of ? Date: 31 Dec 1998 22:37:14 GMT Organization: Telecom Internet (http://www.tinet.ie/) Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01be350e$43e8d820$4feb869f@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: p79.castlerea1.tinet.ie X-Trace: spock.tinet.ie 915143834 12530 159.134.235.79 (31 Dec 1998 22:37:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 Dec 1998 22:37:14 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15373 I require information on the use of propolis as a treatment for colds etc. Gerry Bee. From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:05 EST 1999 Article: 15374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jan 1999 03:59:30 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990101140414.09665.00004536@ng-fd2.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990101225930.22193.00004630@ng140.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15374 From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) <> I'm not offended. If I were, I would not have given you all that information. But I was warning you of the possibility of offense in the beekeeping community (as if that ever stopped anyone before!) if you got a bunch of legends and passed them on as truth, and thereby made our livelihood harder. <> It is a great hobby. In fact hobbyists have a great deal -- an outside income to support their beekeeping. It's my livelihood. And I'm still open to discussion. Maybe I am getting a little touchy nowadays, because it seems to get harder and harder, and there is so little appreciation for the enormous contribution we make to America's food supply. Right now I'm overhearing the TV ad in the backgound of a new cough drop that touts honey, as if it were a serious ingredient, but actually has very little in it. Why aren't they prosecuted for fraud? There are hundreds of similar products on the market that take advantage of honey's good name, but are based on corn syrup, sugar, brown sugar, and a whole bunch of sweeteners with long names, but have practically no honey. All this, along with honey prices that would have been fine, just after WWII. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:06 EST 1999 Article: 15375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ochlockonee River Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jan 1999 04:09:18 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Message-ID: <19990101230918.22193.00004637@ng140.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15375 From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) >Would a bee museum be similar to a flea circus? Dunno. What's a flea circus? My dog may have had one, but I'm not sure. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From amschelp@pe.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:07 EST 1999 Article: 15376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ochlockonee River Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 21:35:09 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <19990101230918.22193.00004637@ng140.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p057.hem.pe.net X-Trace: victoria.pe.net 915255184 10088 216.100.28.157 (2 Jan 1999 05:33:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jan 1999 05:33:04 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15376 Here's some web info about the flea circus: http://www.process.org/OProcess/fleas/index.html http://www.pe.net/~magical/flea/index.html and here is a diagram of a flea circus in action: http://www.customcpu.com/personal/DHEROLD/fleas.htm In article <19990101230918.22193.00004637@ng140.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.com says... > From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) > > >Would a bee museum be similar to a flea circus? > > Dunno. What's a flea circus? My dog may have had one, but I'm not sure. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm > From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:07 EST 1999 Article: 15377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for beginners? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jan 1999 04:06:17 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <368ba636.67840577@news1.newscene.com> Message-ID: <19990101230617.22193.00004633@ng140.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15377 From: Warren Ransom (war@netaxis.com) >so i'm looking for reading material that would give me a good >indication of where to begin The best I've found is: The Beekeeper's Handbook by Diana Sammataro, Alphonse Avitabile, Roger A. Morse Diana's Page: http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/d/b/dbs8/ Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From beecrofter@aol.comBee Mon Jan 4 17:32:08 EST 1999 Article: 15378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 2 Jan 1999 14:27:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990101225930.22193.00004630@ng140.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990102092702.26864.00004998@ng105.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15378 > There are hundreds of similar products on the market that take advantage of >honey's good name, but are based on corn syrup, sugar, brown sugar, and a >whole >bunch of sweeteners with long names, but have practically no honey. All >this, >along with honey prices that would have been fine, just after WWII. I have been more aware of this myself Honey seems to be listed in the ingrediants after salt but before MSG BHA and BHT. Yet the word Honey on the box is usually larger than the brand name or the name cereal. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:08 EST 1999 Article: 15379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey's Good Name Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 16:27:45 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <368e4604.375084@news.jps.net> References: <19990101225930.22193.00004630@ng140.aol.com> <19990102092702.26864.00004998@ng105.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.237 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.59.237 Lines: 33 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.210.46.218!news-west.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.59.237 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15379 On 2 Jan 1999 14:27:02 GMT, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: >> There are hundreds of similar products on the market that take advantage of >>honey's good name, but are based on corn syrup, sugar, brown sugar, and a >>whole bunch of sweeteners with long names, but have practically no honey. All >>this, along with honey prices that would have been fine, just after WWII. >I have been more aware of this myself Honey seems to be listed in the ingrediants after salt but before MSG BHA and >BHT. Yet the word Honey on the box is usually larger than the brand name or the name cereal. In the US we honor these thieves by helping promote their products with what little honey they use when they increase it.. The honey producers tax themselves several million US$ they don't get to spend in other ways to do this job. It all adds up to billions of dollars in sales of products that do not need to contain any honey at all and the use of hundreds of millions pounds of honey that would not have a market without the tie in's to other products. The down side is this makes the US a 3rd world country when it comes to honey prices as most US honey producers could testify as they see their bottom line turn blood red. the OLd Drone Los Banos, Calif. http://beenet.com (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! From hk1beeman@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:09 EST 1999 Article: 15380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wintering advice please... Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 28 Dec 1998 01:16:14 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3685BAC9.2510B4BC@golden.net> Message-ID: <19981227201614.10434.00002419@ng147.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15380 >1. I didn't get the Apistan in during warm weather. Can I just fire >several strips in through the bee escape hole so as not to expose the >colony to cold air? If so, will it be effective? > brood rearing is at a min during winter, so if you could get it directly into the cluster you'd kill off almost all varroa in the hive. alternately there's little movement so will it carry to the entire hive. why not wait till spring build up instead. >. How do I winter properly? I have heard people say to do things like >-reduce the entrance, -staple black tar paper (roof sheathing) around >the hive to soak up solar energy, -wrap the hive with straw, -drill a >hole in the top hive super to avoid dampness, etc. > never saw tar paper on a single tree sometimes bees will reduce the size of their entrance3 in a tree during winter put ya a small stone bout the size of 1/8 - 1/4 inch under the back of the top cover, this'll let that moisture escape also i saw a space into my inner cover edge bout the size of 2 bees point it to the front and let the top cover over lap it. now don't let your hive entrance get clogged wit snow and ice if they are still in the bottom box i'd say ya got plenty of food for now, but don't quit looking bout every 2 weeks Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From WND57@webtv.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:09 EST 1999 Article: 15381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!news.eecis.udel.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: WND57@webtv.net (BILL DYE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beginer question Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:33:20 -0600 (CST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <12226-3686B5B0-50@newsd-174.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQP+3KRhiKR+LGEPyRPjvGsQKhWkAIUe71gJLDkzRQgaY1gdWu0HkE+dUM= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15381 I have a few questions about starting a colony. Can I set the hives on cement blocks and how high do they need to be. How far apart do the hives need to be. what are the natural preditors(spl?) of bees. What about weed control around the hives. and also some sites for bees and supplies and how to find a market for the honey. I've notied that there are different kinds of honey like clover,wildflower, etc. my question to this is how do you determine what type honey you have. thanx bill p.s. my home e-mail address is kess2@midwest.net From tomasmozer@juno.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:10 EST 1999 Article: 15382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dreaded hive beetle Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 06:16:23 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 6 Message-ID: <368E2A37.74AA@juno.com> References: <36781FE7.7070@earthlink.net> <367BCC38.289@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.79.222 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915294340 OCZ7E7JIA4FDECDD8C usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) CC: phoenix@aug.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15382 for more on the status of the small hive beetle, which has been detected in the jacksonville, fla. area as well, see the bee culture online article by elzen et al. in the january 1999 issue: http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/99jan/99jan3.html From MAKABOU@email.msn.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:11 EST 1999 Article: 15383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Armand Boutte" Subject: Beehive Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 12:49:49 -0800 Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust125.tnt21.sfo3.da.uu.net [208.254.227.125] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.68.152.14!upnetnews04!upnetnews02 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15383 Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a beehive? From adamf@vt.edu Mon Jan 4 17:32:11 EST 1999 Article: 15384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Native Black Bees Date: 28 Dec 1998 06:31:12 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <7678jg$il9$1@golux.radix.net> References: <19981215215701.00957.00001746@ng-cb1.aol.com> <19981223093933.11010.00000590@ng122.aol.com> <368258A7.769C@juno.com> Reply-To: adamf@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: port15.annex1.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15384 >tomas mozer wrote: >> what we have found in northeast florida along the st.johns river may be, perhaps, >> a survivor population of feral honeybees apparently tolerant of parasitic mites, >> some of which have the apis mellifera mellifera mother line as detected by >> mitochondrial dna analysis at the university of florida beelab...they are by >> no means pure but rather mongrelized, yet somewhat smaller and darker. >> we originally suspected africanized hybridization was occurring since jacksonville >> is a major port of entry and we were trapping them semi-regularly (seasonal >> swarming) in our bait hives as well as finding them in bee trees , however no >> evidence of african dna, hydrocarbons, or morphometrics was found (to date)... >> it remains to be seen how they fare with the arrival of the small hive beetle, >> which has recently been detected in the area. Is anyone planning to do this? These guys seem to have the basis for interesting breeding combinations. Are any USDA types, breeder types or University types checking into this genetic avenue? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From Griffes@my-dejanews.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:12 EST 1999 Article: 15385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!solomon.io.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen rearing resources Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 23:45:19 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 51 Message-ID: <76mb2g$hgt$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <01be34e9$3f17c7e0$43c6480c@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.29 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jan 02 23:45:19 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x2.dejanews.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.108.56.29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15385 In article <01be34e9$3f17c7e0$43c6480c@default>, "George Styer" wrote: > As a hobbiest, I want to try to raise some Q's this spring for some splits > and re-queening. I have read Laidlaw's Contemporary Queen Rearing which has > more info than I need. I also read in the Nov 98 ABJ about the so called > Cloak Board method. What is a god method or resource for a hobbiest to > raise a few queens. I currently have 2 hives and will select the best queen > to be the breeder. > > Why raise the instead of buy them? Education. Use the "Miller" method. Top bar with WAX starter strip is placed in middle of breeder colony brood nest during a Swarm Season flow. As they begin to draw the comb the queen will lay up started cells with eggs. Once that occurs (won't take long if conditions are right) you pull out the queen to reduce queen pheremone and get them ready to draw cells. (put her in a nuc for the moment) Trim the newly started comb back to leave the very small larvae on the lower edge and put it back in the now queenless colony. (very small equals no larger than one and a half times the size of an egg - same size we would graft) Put the frame back in middle of brood nest of the now queenless colony. In 10 days (assuming you trimmed back to right age larvae) you have cells ready to plant. Carefully cut them off leaving wax up top to press into combs of mating nucs. This method will only give you a few good cells but you do not have to graft. Prepare your mating nucs on day 9 after trim back. Plant at least two good cells in each mating nuc on day 10. Can make nucs above a double screen OR just use a piece of plywood to separate nuc from parent colony (get fancy and make a bee space rim on it if you like OR forget it if you already have a auger hole in the box being used as a nuc and just face the entrance of the nuc toward the OPPOSITE direction of parent entrance). Making nuc up top gives them some heat advantage PLUS allows you to run the unit as a two queener for a while and upon pulling the double screen or dividing board at start of aimed for flow the UPPER queen usually ends up being the only queen in time (mark her a different color so you can see as this is being done for educational reasons). Your new queens should be laying two weeks after planting cells. You will NOT get 100% take (if you get lucky you may with just two some of the time) - sometimes you are doing good to get 60% take - other times you will get over 90% take - if you start early and end late rearing queens over the whole season you are doing well to get 75% avg. take. -- Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail dot com Country Jack's Honeybee Farm Onsted, MI USA http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==---------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own From cheatherly@mms.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:12 EST 1999 Article: 15386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-in-east1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <368EC0C0.6F732963@mms.net> From: Charles Heatherly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 19:58:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.203 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 915325518 166.82.249.203 (Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:05:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:05:18 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15386 Armand Boutte wrote: > Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a > beehive? Armand: The best way is to buy an old hive and use it as a model. You should know that the measurements of a hive are precise, otherwise, bees will glue the place together with propolis and you'll never get it apart. Charles Heatherly Cary, NC From cheatherly@mms.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:13 EST 1999 Article: 15387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!ralph.vnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <368EC338.2B737EDC@mms.net> From: Charles Heatherly X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? References: <19981231102154.01040.00000733@ng-cg1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 27 Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:09:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.82.249.203 X-Trace: ralph.vnet.net 915326150 166.82.249.203 (Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:15:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:15:50 EDT Organization: Vnet Internet Access Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15387 DOYLE60 wrote: > Thanks for the answers. Here is another question: > > I am writing a humorous song on a beekeeper. I need a reason why the bees > would be mad at the beekeeper for taking the honey. In my song the beekeeper > believes that his bees are swarming after him. He's a bit "touched," if you > dont mind. > > The reason has to be very simple and be able to be expressed in very few words. > > I am still looking for the pronounciation of Ochlockonee and am amused that > Dave mentioned the Pee Dee River. There is an original manuscript of Stephen > Foster's song "Old Folks at Home (Swannee River)" with "Pee Dee" crossed out > and "Swannee" written in. I must be on the right track. > > Doyle60 Doyle, The bees will get angry at a beekeeper for a number of reasons, in addition to the "Larceny" of their honey. They don't like for you to breathe on them. CO2 sends them in orbit. Rough handling will do the same, as will dark clothing. Hope this helps. Charles Heatherly, Cary, NC From mae@indy.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:14 EST 1999 Article: 15388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!WCG!web.onecall.net!news!not-for-mail From: mary ann elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 20:24:15 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <368E806F.24EA@indy.net> References: Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip209-183-89-148.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.indy.net 915326154 21655 209.183.89.148 (3 Jan 1999 01:15:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 1999 01:15:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15388 Armand Boutte wrote: > > Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a > beehive? Storey Books WWW.storeybooks.com has plans for Beehives and Extractors. Tobi and Mary From antm@dsuper.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:14 EST 1999 Article: 15389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!rcogate.rco.qc.ca!news1.interlink.net!news1.interlink.net!delphi.dsuper.net!not-for-mail From: "Andrei Iv.M." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Maybe somebody knows....? Date: 3 Jan 1999 00:37:29 GMT Organization: Delphi SuperNet Inc. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01be36b1$f2501b40$5faa8bcf@andrei> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12-asc-95.dsuper.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15389 Can I found the job on the beefarm ? (If it really. ) Maybe somebody knows the special pleases in the web ( I can't found this info.) I'll be gratitude for anyone information. ( I've the interest in Canada, in a season 1999 ...) From bmblanch@gis.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:15 EST 1999 Article: 15390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: "Barry Blanchard" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 20:37:28 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 11 Message-ID: <76mhnu$bpn$1@remarQ.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.41.30.158 X-Trace: 915327550 TWNY2XU9G1E9ED829C usenet57.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15390 Try This Link: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html. It contains plans for everything you need. Barry Blanchard Armand Boutte wrote in message ... >Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a >beehive? > > From lithar@midwest.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:16 EST 1999 Article: 15391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 22:35:29 -0800 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 10 Message-ID: <368F0FB1.2EB6@midwest.net> References: Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 915338335 .ZFUVYH4M1C20D0EBC usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15391 Armand Boutte wrote: > > Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a > beehive? http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html AL From aai@business.israel.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:16 EST 1999 Article: 15392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.new-york.net!news.actcom.co.il!not-for-mail From: "AAI Ltd. - Shoshi Cohen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Agritech 99 exhibition Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 10:11:52 +0200 Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services 1-800-300123 info@actcom.co.il Lines: 43 Message-ID: <368F2647.5C0C6304@business.israel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.114.82.169 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15392 Dear madam / sir, We would like to invite you to visit the Agritech 99 exhibition. The 14th International Agriculture Exhibition, Haifa, Israel, September 5 - 9, 1999. Agritech is the showplace for new developments in agrotechnologies. At this triennial event, you will have the opportunity to meet and do business with leading agricultural experts >from all over the world. Subjects covered: Water and irrigation Greenhouses and horticulture Dairy farming, sheep and goats Biotechnology Seeds & propagation materials Vegetables Floriculture Plasticulture Fruits & citrus Poultry farming Field crops Aquaculture Machinery & equipment Chemical & organic fertilizer Veterinary and feeding systems Post harvest treatment Chemical & biological plant protection The exhibition’s web site: http://www.agritech.org.il provides valuable information about the exhibition and Israel’s agriculture and is being updated continuously until the exhibition itself. Happy New Year!!! Best regards, Iphtach Cohen AAI Ltd. Webmaster From halsey@agt.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:18 EST 1999 Article: 15393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news.agtac.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <368FC526.3282B145@telusplanet.net> From: halsey@telusplanet.net Reply-To: halsey@agt.net Organization: The Hutchinson Family X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Rookie - Help Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------CB35A81EEFFFB17B23F51ACC" Lines: 36 Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 19:26:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.115.134.248 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 915391575 209.115.134.248 (Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:26:15 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:26:15 MDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15393 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CB35A81EEFFFB17B23F51ACC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am in Camrose, Alberta, Canada. I would like to start beekeeping. Does anyone out there know of locals around here who I could call and get started? 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Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 00:55:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <19981231102154.01040.00000733@ng-cg1.aol.com> <19981231150812.27394.00004316@ng138.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915275657 nnrp-02:7072 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15394 In article <19981231150812.27394.00004316@ng138.aol.com>, Pollinator writes ><would be mad at the beekeeper for taking the honey. In my song the beekeeper >believes that his bees are swarming after him. I hope you know more about music than you do about beekeeping, otherwise don't give up your day job. -- Tom Speight From h.tait@home.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:19 EST 1999 Article: 15395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <01be36b1$f2501b40$5faa8bcf@andrei> Subject: Re: Maybe somebody knows....? Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 21:33:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.133.74 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 915399189 24.65.133.74 (Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:33:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 13:33:09 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15395 Andrei Iv.M. wrote in message <01be36b1$f2501b40$5faa8bcf@andrei>... >Can I found the job on the beefarm ? >( I've the interest in Canada, in a season 1999 ...) Andrei Try the following http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/BeeAds/ There have been several adds for help at this site. We can use help >from time to time, but do not have resources for full time help. hugh Saskatchewan Canada Boschman Hughs Apiaries From Curtiscrow@worldnet.att.net Mon Jan 4 17:32:20 EST 1999 Article: 15396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm From: "C.R. Crowell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wiring New frames Date: 3 Jan 1999 21:44:59 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <76oocr$ih0@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <01be3511$6b4a4c20$0501a8c0@PC_Theatre.zickefoose> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.78.99.37 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15396 first: split off the top "ridge" - that piece is under the top bar, and becomes the "wedge" which is nailed back in the same position to hold the top of the foundation in place below the bar. next- the foundation you have is "wired", meaning it comes with wires running across the narrow dimension of the foundation (vertically, according to how the frames are oriented in the hive). The split pins are used to hold the foundation in place by inserting them in the frame ends, with the foundation held between the two "legs" of the pins. wire- you will likely do fine without wiring the foundation, but some beekeepers like to skip the pins you have, install brass grommets in the frame ends and weave wire back and forth on the same side of the foundation, then using a mechanical spur embedder or a electrically heated embedder, embedd the wire in the wax. This would be clearer if you can find a beekeeper to show you how. Some use additional wire and some don't. They are an opinionated lot and you have to decide for yourself what approach you want to try. /Curtis Crowell From doyle60@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:21 EST 1999 Article: 15397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: doyle60@aol.com (DOYLE60) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jan 1999 00:47:43 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01be36ef$d4c4bf20$db0690d1@corbin> Message-ID: <19990103194743.29524.00005987@ng117.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15397 I didn't think honey bees lived in nests that looked like wasp's nests. But I still don't know what their natural home looks like. What? Doyle60 From pollinator@aol.com Mon Jan 4 17:32:21 EST 1999 Article: 15398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY WHOLESALERS/DISTRIBUTORS Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jan 1999 01:11:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <76o895$10l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990103201136.02629.00004941@ng151.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15398 From: BigToes86@aol.com (Andrew): <> Sounds like you are preparing a batch of mead. Check Jan's Sweetness & Light Shop, and click on Mead Makers.....or Honey Lovers....... To make a great mead, start with a great honey! Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From wcavender@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:40 EST 1999 Article: 15401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wcavender@aol.com (WCavender) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HONEY WHOLESALERS/DISTRIBUTORS Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 4 Jan 1999 20:21:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <76o895$10l$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Message-ID: <19990104152135.01057.00005994@ng-ce1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15401 try the national honey board at http://www.nhb.org they have a good list of honey producers around the u.s., some with links to webpages. From amschelp@pe.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:41 EST 1999 Article: 15402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why would bees attack a beekeeper? Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:17:43 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <01be36ef$d4c4bf20$db0690d1@corbin> <19990103194743.29524.00005987@ng117.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p005.hem.pe.net X-Trace: arlington.pe.net 915488216 5801 216.100.28.105 (4 Jan 1999 22:16:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jan 1999 22:16:56 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15402 There is a feral hive that has existed for years in a horizontal crack in a big boulder in the Indian Canyons in Palm Springs, but you can't see inside. Many beekeepers remove hives from houses and barns and they can tell you what a natural bee home looks like. I keep top bar hives so I too know what their natural home looks like. If you look up at a natural bee home from the bottom (I fixed my one top bar hive up with hinges and two gate locks so that I can swing the bottom board open and check them out - maybe I will do that tonight! :0)) you see that they build their comb into structures which look like dinner plates set side by side. These plates of comb are thicker than dinner plates and they are flat at the top where the plates attach to the top bars. The row of plates has the biggest diameter in the middle of the hive and then the plates taper down to smaller diameters to the ends. Of course, each plate is covered intricately with cells on all sides for the larvae and the nectar, and the plates are crawling with bees. The plates of comb at the end are the newest combs and they are made of fine white beeswax. These end combs are the golden combs that I harvested last year after the honey cells were fully capped. MMMmmmmmmmmmm Good! In article <19990103194743.29524.00005987@ng117.aol.com>, doyle60@aol.com says... > I didn't think honey bees lived in nests that looked like wasp's nests. But I > still don't know what their natural home looks like. What? > > Doyle60 > From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:41 EST 1999 Article: 15403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!dogbert.supra.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!nntp.ntr.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeding through the winter Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:02:16 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <76p30t$r60$1@news.ipa.net> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 4 Jan 1999 23:59:45 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Mon Jan 4 16:05:06 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 25 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp132.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <369253fe.43425167@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15403 "R & S Adams" wrote: > Novice beekeeper here - What is the most economical way to feed hives >through the winter, as most of my hives were late season purchases and need >feeding. I am using 1 gal jars of sugar water (4 lb sugar/gallon water) >up-side down in top brood box. Will this stuff ferment in cold weather? >Could adding small (tiny) amounts of ascorbic acid stop fermentation? It's >been 12 F for the past few days and the hives are iced over, will feed again >of the next "nice" day. > The syrup should contain about twice the 4 pounds of sugar per gallon of water that you are using. Make the syrup as thick as you can, which will cause the bees less work to take up the sugar, and also reduce the chance of fermentation. The recommendation of feeding dry sugar or hard candy on an inner cover is also a good one. It will not stimulate brood rearing as much as a syrup, and you probably don't want to build up the colony now. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From scp1969@webtv.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:42 EST 1999 Article: 15404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: scp1969@webtv.net (Steven Paust) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Time Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 19:39:16 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 39 Message-ID: <7598-36915F34-52@newsd-131.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <368f8a4d.0@news.clover.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-1353575978-5799 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUArJlT0ydqEchVC1AcwtjzrAyZfqQCFEYw6QIppVQ+pAwsMnWrL2ZQAh1P Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15404 --WebTV-Mail-1353575978-5799 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit There are many reputable apiaries that sell fine package bees. Check out Bee Culture magazine for names and addresses. Not to promote any particular apiary, but I've had good luck ordering from some of the larger apiaries, such as: York Bee Co., Rossman Apiaries, B. Weaver Apiaries, etc. Gentleness depends on race, not particulary the apairy. I've found Carniolan bees to be the most docile bee I've kept, and I've had bees for 17 years. However, I do like Italian bees and have found them to be gentle also. All in all, it depends not particulary on the race, but also the knowledge of the beekeeper; e.g. using a smoker correctly, wearing loose, light colored ctothing, avoiding sudden movements etc., contribute to whether a colony of bees will be gentle. Best wishes and hope I was able to be of assistance. --WebTV-Mail-1353575978-5799 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-1353575978-5799-- From gerhardt@mail.index.co.za Sat Jan 9 05:48:43 EST 1999 Article: 15405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!iafrica.com!news.global.co.za.!not-for-mail From: "Gerhardt Fouche" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ANNOUNCEMENT : Agricultural products manufacturers directory Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 09:15:59 +0200 Organization: USKO Enterprise Networks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <76shl7$1sa$1@news.global.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.49.169.205 X-Trace: news.global.co.za 915524071 1930 206.49.169.205 (5 Jan 1999 08:14:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@global.co.za NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 1999 08:14:31 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15405 A user-friendly directory of manufacturers of products and services related to the agricultural industry is available and useful to people within the industry. Link directly to the agricultural sector – www.expo.co.za/agriculture.html From amschelp@pe.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:43 EST 1999 Article: 15406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news-east1.sprintlink.net!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!nntp.pe.net!not-for-mail From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beehive Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 21:30:18 -0800 Organization: Various Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <368F0FB1.2EB6@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: c2p094.hem.pe.net X-Trace: magnolia.pe.net 915341302 10930 216.100.28.194 (3 Jan 1999 05:28:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jan 1999 05:28:22 GMT X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15406 For top bar hives, try: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm In article <368F0FB1.2EB6@midwest.net>, lithar@midwest.net says... > Armand Boutte wrote: > > > > Does anyone know where to get some simple instructions on building a > > beehive? > > > > http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/index.html > > AL > From graham@gandboss.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:48:44 EST 1999 Article: 15407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: scottish beekeeping Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:05:45 +0000 Organization: at home Message-ID: References: <366EB3F1.4DD92D70@home.com> <19981210094448.06835.00000519@ng121.aol.com> <76ne92$c0o$2@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915379913 nnrp-11:23528 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 Lines: 57 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15407 In article <76ne92$c0o$2@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net>, Harry Goudie writes > >SKEP615 wrote in message <19981210094448.06835.00000519@ng121.aol.com>... >>Lori , wrote: >>>I was wondering if someone could send me the sections from "The >>>Archaeology of Beekeeping" about the history of beekeeping in Scotland. >>What I am sending is the index entries for Scotland in "TAoB": >> >>Scotland >> Bronze Age burial, 238 >> prehistoric Orkney sites, 160, 161 > > >I take it that we are discussing the book by Eva Crane which I had a look at >a few years ago. Unfortunately since it it very expensive I do not have a >copy. I would be interested in what she had to say about the Bronze age >burial and the Prehistoric Orkney sites. I think there must be a northern >limit beyond which honey bees can't exist naturally and I think that >northern Scotland must lie on this limit. There was some discussion on >Bee-L some time ago about latitudes and beekeeping and I think one of the >points that was missed was that beekeeping depends not on the temperature >but more on the availability of food and I have my doubts that bees could >exist in Orkney in Prehistoric times. >Harry > > Harry Thanks to the Gulf stream, Orkney has a relatively mild climate and is rich with heather. Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z _ Z _ (. \ Z / .) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ o /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Loggie Baird 1928 :-\ From Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:48:45 EST 1999 Article: 15408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK: beekeeping badge at cubs Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 10:11:32 +0000 Organization: . Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915529179 nnrp-01:5667 NO-IDENT adrem.demon.co.uk:158.152.205.101 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 9 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk!Paul Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15408 My 8 year old son has recently joined the cubs and wants to do a badge on beekeeping. Does anyone out there know what the requirements are ? -- Paul Walton Toddington,Bedfordshire, England LU5 6QF Email: Paul@adrem.demon.co.uk From bobpursley@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:45 EST 1999 Article: 15409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (BobPursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive construction Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jan 1999 19:54:25 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <76tp8o$m9u$2@spock.tinet.ie> Message-ID: <19990105145425.22192.00007859@ng134.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15409 > >tell me if it is safe for the bees to construct a hive out of plywood. If >so,should I use WBP, Marine or what about OSB? I've found plans I tried it, but was disapponted with the results. The corners were not strong, and when full of Honey, the stress was too much. Cracks in the corners developed, and it became too weak and flimsy to use. I used Exterior grade. From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jan 9 05:48:46 EST 1999 Article: 15410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive construction Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 5 Jan 1999 20:51:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <19990105145425.22192.00007859@ng134.aol.com> Message-ID: <19990105155119.22731.00002053@ng146.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15410 Plywood works ok Seal up the edges with some thinned epoxy like Gudgeon Bros stuff. Lumber works better IMO. If you are real slick you can cut the ply without breaking the veneer on the face and fold the box up. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:48:47 EST 1999 Article: 15411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping adverts Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:03:50 +0000 Organization: buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915566997 nnrp-12:16601 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 9 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15411 Some weeks ago, during one of my surfs through *the net* I think I remember seeing a site or ng for beekeeping advertisements. Can anyone point me in the right direction please? One of our members is having to give up on health grounds and has a dozen or so Langstroths and all associated equipment to dispose of. -- Tom Speight Cumbria UK From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:48:48 EST 1999 Article: 15412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.new-york.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 1 or 2 hive bodies? Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:07:40 +0000 Organization: buzz Message-ID: References: <36916FAA.44963076@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 915566998 nnrp-12:16601 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcqpSE1UkpoSZVq+> Lines: 12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15412 In article <36916FAA.44963076@worldnet.att.net>, Charles Gibson writes >I'm planning on starting a couple of hives this spring from packaged bees. >Should I start with one hive body or go ahead and put together two when I first >put the new bees in? > I would recommend two hives if you are prepared to buy two packages. But do not try to make two colonies from one package, or you are liable to end up with none. Regards -- Tom S From luichart.woollens@virgin.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:48 EST 1999 Article: 15413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.152.2.200.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.news.uu.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!news7-gui.server.ntli.net!news-feed.ntli.net!not-for-mail From: "Harry Goudie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: scottish beekeeping Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 21:08:02 -0000 Organization: Virgin News Service Lines: 24 Message-ID: <76ttnb$fb3$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <366EB3F1.4DD92D70@home.com><19981210094448.06835.00000519@ng121.aol.com><76ne92$c0o$2@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.56.150 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15413 > > >Harry > >Thanks to the Gulf stream, Orkney has a relatively mild climate and is >rich with heather. > >Graham Hi Graham, I was not aware that Orkney had a lot of heather but since I have never set foot on the islands I will take your word for it. However would the heather be there in earlier times or would it have been wooded? The climate although mild would seem to me to be too wet and windy to be much good for beekeeping. Presumably also these early beekeepers had no sugar and could not feed their bees. It would only take two consecutive bad Augusts and your colonies would be dead. I suppose the prize of a honey and wax crop would be a fantastic thing for these early people but I doubt if it would be possible. Harry From SNOMKH@sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:49 EST 1999 Article: 15414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!remarQ60!supernews.com!sas!newshost.unx.sas.com!sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com!SNOMKH From: SNOMKH@sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com (Marty Hobbs) Subject: Help! Bees are taking over! Sender: MVS NNTP News Reader Message-ID: <19990105155219SNOMKH@sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:52:00 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sdcmvs.mvs.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15414 My parents live on a farm in Harnett County NC and have a problem with honey bees. Over the years bees have created a hive / nest between the exterior and interior of their house. What would be the best way to erradicate them? My parents do not want to kill them, just get them out of the house. As you can imagine after many years of being there, honey is now dripping into their basement. I would appreciate any ideas, or names of people that might be able to remove them. Please email me: snomkh@wnt.sas.com From bandcnj@aol.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:49 EST 1999 Article: 15415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bandcnj@aol.com (Bandcnj) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bees on landing board Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 6 Jan 1999 00:11:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15415 I am a new beekeeper--this is my first year. We have had a real swing in temps here in NJ. A few of weeks ago it was in the 60-70o range; for the past week or so it has been steadily in the 0-20o range. All seemed fine until this week. When I went out by the hive, I noticed a large heap of bees on the landing board and even more on the ground in front of the hive. It's too cold to open and have a look see. I did lift the cover to listen at the inner cover's hole for activity and couldn't hear any sounds or vibration. Is it normal to see many dead bees by a hive in winter or is my first hive a goner? I should mention that I took 20# of honey this fall. After, I made sure to feed them sugar syrup and medicate. My last chore, in mid-october, was to move all the honey to the top hive body and all the brood to the bottom (2 standard supers). Instead of an entrance reducer, I installed 1/2" hardware cloth. Carol From gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Sat Jan 9 05:48:50 EST 1999 Article: 15416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen rearing resources Date: 5 Jan 1999 18:55:02 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 64 Message-ID: <01be38dd$21920c60$1b2e480c@default> References: <01be34e9$3f17c7e0$43c6480c@default> <76mb2g$hgt$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.27 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.225!attworldnet!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15416 Sorry Jack, I meant to send this to the NG and not to your e-mail. I have gone back and done some more research on the "Miller" method. It seems clearer now and thanks for the explaination. I guess when it is time to cut back the comb it will be apparent what to do. Sounds easier than grafting. One more question then I will lay out my strategy: Does the queen need to be removed from the breeder colony after the comb is cut back or can she remain below a QX with the Miller frame above? Didn't Doolittle use this method? (OK, that was 2 questions) My reason is this is a small city lot and I can't scatter a bunch of nucs all over the place. Here is what I propose to do: 1. Intoduce Miller frame in brood area of 2 deep hive. Baggie feeder (1:1) on top bars above Miller frame in feeder ring. 2. When the correct age larvae exist on the Miller frame, isolate queen below QX, cut back comb and move into 3rd deep above QX with 2 frames brood, 2 frames pollen/honey in the following arrangement: brood-pollen-Miller-pollen-brood. Feed (1:1). 3. 9 days later make up mating nuc by dividing deep into 3 bee tight sections with entrances on opposite sides. 1 frame sealed brood, 1 frame pollen/honey, 1 frame comb. 4. On 10th day transfer ripe cells to nucs, split 2 existing colonies and give additional cells to the queenless parts of the splits. 5. After the queens in the nucs are laying, 2 will be used to requeen the queenright parts of the splits and the 3rd will be used to make up a starter nuc for a friend. Realizing there are many was to rear a queen, in my mind this works. If it is seriously flawed I appreciate any input. BTW, I live in the central valley of CA so I should be able to get an early start on this. ---------- > From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Subject: Re: Queen rearing resources > Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 3:45 PM > > Use the "Miller" method. Top bar with WAX starter strip is placed in middle > of breeder colony brood nest during a Swarm Season flow. As they begin to > draw the comb the queen will lay up started cells with eggs. Once that > occurs (won't take long if conditions are right) you pull out the queen to > reduce queen pheremone and get them ready to draw cells. (put her in a nuc -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail From mlomas@tinet.ie Sat Jan 9 05:48:51 EST 1999 Article: 15417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Mark Lomas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive construction Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:25:35 -0000 Organization: Natural Technology Systems Lines: 7 Message-ID: <76tp8o$m9u$2@spock.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p153.limerick1.tinet.ie X-Trace: spock.tinet.ie 915564632 22846 159.134.249.153 (5 Jan 1999 19:30:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jan 1999 19:30:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.tli.de!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15417 I'm a novice beekeeper,but am a professional carpenter. Can any one please tell me if it is safe for the bees to construct a hive out of plywood. If so,should I use WBP, Marine or what about OSB? I've found plans online for Dadant and Langstroth, but need Commercial or National hive plans, can anyone help? Thanks. mlomas@tinet.ie From swheaton@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 9 05:48:51 EST 1999 Article: 15418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: Simoun Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees on landing board Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:32:23 -0700 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3692BD26.7BDA9D55@ix.netcom.com> References: <19990105191127.01873.00007499@ng144.aol.com> Reply-To: swheaton@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: phn-az17-13.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jan 05 7:32:47 PM CST 1999 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) To: Bandcnj Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15418 Could be the drones, being kicked out by the workers when the weather turned cold. Sad but true, the drones eat and take up space but don't do much else. Simon Bandcnj wrote: > I am a new beekeeper--this is my first year. We have had a real swing in temps > here in NJ. A few of weeks ago it was in the 60-70o range; for the past week > or so it has been steadily in the 0-20o range. All seemed fine until this > week. When I went out by the hive, I noticed a large heap of bees on the > landing board and even more on the ground in front of the hive. It's too cold > to open and have a look see. I did lift the cover to listen at the inner > cover's hole for activity and couldn't hear any sounds or vibration. Is it > normal to see many dead bees by a hive in winter or is my first hive a goner? > > I should mention that I took 20# of honey this fall. After, I made sure to > feed them sugar syrup and medicate. My last chore, in mid-october, was to move > all the honey to the top hive body and all the brood to the bottom (2 standard > supers). Instead of an entrance reducer, I installed 1/2" hardware cloth. > > Carol From schwaller@schwaller.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 9 05:48:52 EST 1999 Article: 15419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Schwaller" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supers Sticking Together Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 21:35:40 -0000 Message-ID: <914880973.5661.0.nnrp-06.9e983336@news.demon.co.uk> References: <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 914880973 nnrp-06:5661 NO-IDENT schwaller.demon.co.uk:158.152.51.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 28 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!schwaller.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:15419 Have you tried to use a longer knife to remove the super from the brood box? once having renoved the super make sure you scrape the brood supers clean the try to paint them with caster oil. I don't knoe if this will work but worth a try - Schwaller @schwaller.demon.co.uk Lili Krezel wrote in message <3675927B.7B05@stortek.com>... >Yesterday I opened my hives to remove the Apistan. Sunny, slight breeze, >47 deg. F here in southern Great Lakes region. Odd weather for December, >and the girls were "boiling" as described by other posters recently, >and very active in the top super. > >However, I COULD NOT lift the super (medium) off the brood chamber >below. I carefully worked all the way around the edges with the hive >tool to break the seal. I slid the flat edge of the tool between the >supers to slice any comb the bees may have built above the bottom >frames, but it seems a standard hive tool is too short to reach half- >way across the super. When I tried to lift the top super, the bottom >tried to come with it, lifting right off the bottom board. I finally >gave up as the bees were becoming very agitated by the disturbance. > >Does anyone else experience this? Are there longer hive tools available? >I believe the bees have enough room so