Article 25807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Candy Recipe? Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 11:14:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <395dd28d.41450359@news1.radix.net> References: <8jjvk2$c4a@atlas.lcc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25807 On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:27:52 -0500, "nomad" wrote: > Can anyone tell me a good formula for making "bee candy" used for >feeding bees and sealing queen cages? > > Also I noticed that a recipe for feeding bees called for powered sugar >WITHOUT cornstarch; do they make such a thing, where could I find it, and is >it really important enough for me to worry about. I think the recipe (maybe >it was for dry pollen sub) was in TH&THB. > > I'm also curious where I could find a small supply of HFCS; i just have >6 hives and a don't need a tanker load. Is the stuff in the supermarket >useable? > >Many thanks > >-- >to : > >My email mirrors my name: >damon :: nomad > > > It's powdered sugar and numoline. beekeep Article 25808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Michael Purcell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kudzu Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 08:47:35 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <8jjd1s$l4e$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.95.d1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 1 Jul 2000 12:47:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25808 "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote: >Does anyone happen to know if honey bees work kudzu flowers? > >Keith > I've not seen this myself, but another beekeeper told me some years ago that he actually had patches of kudzu honey in the honey supers. He said the smell and flavor is something like grape. Kudzu does not produce enough nectar for the bees to collect much, and if it didn't bloom during the August dearth, this beekeeper's story would be harder to believe. Michael Article 25809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kudzu Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jul 2000 15:12:03 GMT References: <8jjd1s$l4e$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000701111203.02012.00001805@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25809 >Does anyone happen to know if honey bees work kudzu flowers? I've never seen a honeybee on them. I think the flower is too deep. Bumblebees and some solitary bees work them freely. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!magpie.cat.net.th!not-for-mail From: Simon McKay-Mills Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: wanted - plans for a National Hive Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:00:15 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <395C619F.8C70CC0B@cogentcom.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.48.51.26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25810 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:216 Hi, I have searched high and low for the plans for a National hive with no success. Does anyone know where I might find one, or if they have an electronic version that they could send to me - I would be much obliged. easiest contact address is smckaymills at hotmail dot com thanks in advance simon Article 25811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question: on Brood & half method Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jun 2000 09:00:54 GMT References: <0gTcisAEd9W5EwYE@kilty.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20000630050054.04297.00000859@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25811 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: For Sale Extractor Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:19:45 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.131.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 962471983 212.126.131.93 (Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:19:43 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:19:43 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25812 Hello Everybody Due to upgrade I have a 3/6 Tangential Manual Stainless Steel Extractor for sale,£175 ono. Thanks Mike Smith Article 25813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: For Sale Extractor Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:21:57 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.131.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 962472115 212.126.131.93 (Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:21:55 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:21:55 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25813 Sorry I should have put in that I live in Surrey U.K. Mike "Mike Smith" wrote in message news:PKp75.796$7l6.96048@nnrp3.clara.net... > Hello Everybody > Due to upgrade I have a 3/6 Tangential Manual > Stainless Steel Extractor for sale,£175 ono. > > Thanks > Mike Smith > > Article 25814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon.snet.net!not-for-mail From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are my hives diseased?? X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Lines: 37 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:29:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.60.214.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@snet.net X-Trace: typhoon.snet.net 962479797 204.60.214.157 (Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:29:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:29:57 EDT Organization: SNET Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25814 Background... I made a split from an established hive thought I got queen cells but didn't ordered a Carniolan Queen from California documented to be disease free. after the queen was out of the cage I checked 6 days later and there was eggs checked on hive 15 days later larve and capped brood. went in today 30 days later and found darker bees mixed with original bees. very little brood some larve was white but shrivelled.... wet not dry. thought I found the queen, stared hard and believe I was looking at her. What is this? What do I do? Will this effect the 2 other hives I have near by and do I need to move this hive? Could I have mistaken a bee for a queen and is the queen dead? (is this consistant with the brood problem?) Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. Norman Patterson npatt@snet.net Article 25815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Are my hives diseased?? Lines: 64 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:36:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 962491019 12.72.50.10 (Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:36:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:36:59 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25815 It doesn't sound like your experience is such that you can diagnose disease, and I am not convinced by your description that there is anything unusual. Carniolans are a darker bee. The "very little brood" could be because the colony was queenless for a period of time. If you had ordered the queen marked, you would know: 1. it is a queen 2. it is alive 3. it is the queen you introduced -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:VEr75.448$0D.340093@typhoon.snet.net... > Background... > I made a split from an established hive > > thought I got queen cells but didn't > > ordered a Carniolan Queen from California documented to be disease free. > > > after the queen was out of the cage I checked 6 days later and there was eggs > > > checked on hive 15 days later larve and capped brood. > > > went in today 30 days later and found darker bees mixed with original bees. > > > very little brood > > > some larve was white but shrivelled.... wet not dry. > > > thought I found the queen, stared hard and believe I was looking at her. > > > What is this? What do I do? Will this effect the 2 other hives I have near by and do I need to move this hive? > Could I have mistaken a bee for a queen and is the queen dead? (is this consistant with the brood problem?) > > > Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. > > > Norman Patterson > > npatt@snet.net > Article 25816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is it honey yet? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:22:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25816 Hi folks, It's the beginning beekeeper again. I have extracted my first super of honey & it's a good bit thinner than some other honey I've gotten from other places, but I would estimate 85% of the comb was capped and none would shake out of the open cells when I tried. (I believe the honey flow ended before all the cells were filled and capped.) Did I extract too early or is some honey just thinner than others? Does capped always mean ripe? Also, I'm in north Alabama & the honey is light colored with a pretty mild taste. Any idea of what kind of flower(s) it came from? Thanks for the advice, Rodney ****************** Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net (remove the obvious part to reply) Article 25817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <395C619F.8C70CC0B@cogentcom.co.uk> Subject: Re: wanted - plans for a National Hive Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:10:46 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.131.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 962543443 212.126.131.122 (Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:10:43 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:10:43 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25817 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:217 Simon Try his link cost is £2.10p + p+p http://www.angus.co.uk/bibba/bibba2.html Mike Smith "Simon McKay-Mills" wrote in message news:395C619F.8C70CC0B@cogentcom.co.uk... > Hi, > > I have searched high and low for the plans for a National hive with no > success. > > Does anyone know where I might find one, or if they have an electronic > version that they could send to me - I would be much obliged. > > easiest contact address is > > smckaymills at hotmail dot com > > thanks in advance > > simon > Article 25818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: my bees are raising queens cells like billyho Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:26:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8jmp13$u6c$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <08b3ac62.29487593@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-61.amitriptyline.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 962520931 30924 62.136.77.189 (2 Jul 2000 06:55:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2000 06:55:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25818 Tom It is clear from your posting that you need help. I suggest that you join your local association and/or read some basic beekeeping books - your could do worse than 'A Guide to Bees and Honey' by Ted Hooper or 'Practical Beekeeping' by Clive de Bruyn. Your bees were building queen cells because they wanted to swarm - which they eventually did despite your efforts. Now the parent colony (the one that produced the swarm, need to raise a new queen - and it sounds as though you are frustrating their efforts; no wonder they are bad tempered! You should have created an artificial swarm when they first started producing queen cells. Let me know where you are located if you need help in contacting your local association. "Tom" wrote in message news:08b3ac62.29487593@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com... > I have a slightly errant colony of bees, they are not > seriously bad tempered but you can't stay near them for too > long. they are producing queen cells ten or twelve per week. > > I have introduced an extra super into the brood chamber but > all they did was fill this with honey!! this colony swarmed > and I collected them for a fresh hive but the original > colony are still building queen cells. I don't like to keep > on with the hatchet approach but am a little stuck for > ideas any good suggestions will be appreciated > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 25819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2smart2late@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: For Sale Extractor Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:58:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8jnlb9$rhe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.29.69.99 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 02 14:58:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.29.69.99 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2smart2late Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25819 In article , "Mike Smith" wrote: > Sorry I should have put in that I live in Surrey U.K. > Mike > "Mike Smith" wrote in message > news:PKp75.796$7l6.96048@nnrp3.clara.net... > > Hello Everybody > > Due to upgrade I have a 3/6 Tangential Manual > > Stainless Steel Extractor for sale,£175 ono. > > > > Thanks > > Mike Smith > >How much in U.S. funds with shipping to N.W. Pennsylvania? > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kudzu Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 2000 02:26:34 GMT References: <8jjd1s$l4e$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000702222634.24090.00000170@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25820 >Does anyone happen to know if honey bees work kudzu flowers? > they'll work it if'n its bloomimg when thar haint nuthin else an make a good bit a honey outa it too, ifn ya got plenty a kud around. i sure would na suggest plantin no more fer em though !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 25821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A small smarm problem Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 2000 02:35:47 GMT References: <3958A584.D3E270F0@together.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000702223547.24090.00000173@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25821 > >I believe ammonia can be used to get rid of bee-go smell. Or is it vinegar? > > >M skunk mask's the smell pretty well !!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 25822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!atlas.lcc.net!usenet From: "nomad" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Candy Recipe? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:14:20 -0500 Organization: LCC Internet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8jp7im$7u4@atlas.lcc.net> References: <8jjvk2$c4a@atlas.lcc.net> <395dd28d.41450359@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncgd-pri3-a3.txucom.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25822 wrote in message news:395dd28d.41450359@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:27:52 -0500, "nomad" wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me a good formula for making "bee candy" used for > >feeding bees and sealing queen cages? > > > > > > > It's powdered sugar and numoline. > > beekeep Ok...Whats numoline? And can you make your own bee candy with stuff from the supermarket....? Article 25823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Candy Recipe? Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:56:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3960711a.50499088@news1.radix.net> References: <8jjvk2$c4a@atlas.lcc.net> <395dd28d.41450359@news1.radix.net> <8jp7im$7u4@atlas.lcc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25823 On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:14:20 -0500, "nomad" wrote: > > wrote in message >news:395dd28d.41450359@news1.radix.net... >> On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:27:52 -0500, "nomad" wrote: >> >> > Can anyone tell me a good formula for making "bee candy" used for >> >feeding bees and sealing queen cages? >> > >> > >> > >> It's powdered sugar and numoline. >> >> beekeep > > > Ok...Whats numoline? And can you make your own bee candy with stuff from >the supermarket....? > Numoline is inverted sugar syrup used by bakeries. W. T. Kelley also sells it. beekeep > Article 25824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!mailer.york.ac.uk!prw3 From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question: on Brood & half method Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:08:23 +0100 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 39 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: References: <395389A3.BAC0CB27@york.ac.uk> <0gTcisAEd9W5EwYE@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mailer.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 962647706 22579 144.32.128.96 (3 Jul 2000 18:08:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 2000 18:08:26 GMT In-Reply-To: <0gTcisAEd9W5EwYE@kilty.demon.co.uk> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25824 Hi all, Thanks for the advice so far... I've had more correspondance over this brood and a half issue than anything else and am rapidly coming to the conclusion that its a double brood box for me. I was originally taught to use brood and a half so that is what I've done so far. I'm working away from home (& logging-on remotely) this week so I Hope that the hives will be o.k. I removed 19 queen cells from the hive that won't expand in the lower brood chamber. (I have now put the brood chamber on top of the super). And removed a wopping 33 queen cells from the more powerful hive. I guess the only answer is to put a brood box of foundation on when I return. I must confess that I would worry that putting another brood chamber on may mean that I don't get any honey this year, and with only two hives. Peter Edwards suggests that I make an artificial swarm: Sounds a good idea, I'll have to read this up when I get home. The only scary bit is that I've not done this before, and will it mean that again I'll loose all chance of a honey crop. And finally thanks once again for all the advice: James Kilty describes me as a minimalist beekeeper... This is probably true, only my second full year and still learning, Also beekeeping in the back garden I have to be careful not to go mad on the expansions. (Any pointers for directions to find out more about urban beekeeping would be welcomed). In addition, having a busy job certainly gets in the way! (Boo). Even so I must try and find an out apiary for next year, as these problems aside I've really got into beekeeping, I don't know what I'd do without the things flying around on a summers day.... Cheers, Paul. ___________________________________________________ Article 25825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redshift17@aol.com.UghSpam (Erica ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees attraction to light at night?? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 2000 08:25:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000703042555.19265.00000602@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25825 This might sound like a moronic or weird question but... are bees attratced to light? Recently, a swarm of bees decided to take up residence in my front yard and every night, starting around 9pm, they decided to "attack" my front porch light.. they climb all over the bulb and, I suppose they are burned to death, because every day I find about 40 of them dead on my porch. I have two proch lights.. and I've never seen them touch the one that doesn't face their hive. Any reasons why? Erica redshift17@aol.com =============== remove .UghSpam to reply please. ;) ===== "I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either." ======== http://www.geocities.com/kittygemini =========== Article 25826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000703042555.19265.00000602@ng-da1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bees attraction to light at night?? Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:20:09 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.13.186 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 962626700 210.215.13.186 (Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:20 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:20 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25826 Hi Absolutely no empirical research to support this but in my experience bees are disturbed by and attracted to most of the light spectrum bar red. I use a red filtered torch when shifting hives or swarm boxes at night and the bees don't take any notice of me, use a normal white light and watch out Barry Erica wrote in message news:20000703042555.19265.00000602@ng-da1.aol.com... > This might sound like a moronic or weird question but... are bees attratced to > light? Recently, a swarm of bees decided to take up residence in my front yard > and every night, starting around 9pm, they decided to "attack" my front porch > light.. they climb all over the bulb and, I suppose they are burned to death, > because every day I find about 40 of them dead on my porch. > > I have two proch lights.. and I've never seen them touch the one that doesn't > face their hive. Any reasons why? > > Erica > redshift17@aol.com > =============== remove .UghSpam to reply please. ;) ===== > "I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't > look good either." > ======== http://www.geocities.com/kittygemini =========== > > Article 25827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: leaving supers on all year Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:53:38 -0500 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.58 Message-ID: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 3 Jul 2000 15:47:00 -0400, 208.24.176.58 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.58 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25827 Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. I just extracted my last super this year I think and thanks to the help here I didn't break any wax this time. I have 4 hives and 3 of them have supers on them with various amounts of honey from empty frames to full frames not all capped. There has been no winter to speak of here in Alabama for the last two years and I have left the supers on the hives. I plan on adding apstan in early September. Thanks Larry Article 25828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "CharlesW" From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chilled Brood? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <4y785.94262$5k2.194956@dfw-read.news.verio.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:21:28 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.240.33.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 962659584 205.240.33.63 (Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:26:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:26:24 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25828 2 days ago I pulled a beautiful frame of brood from a great hive for use in an observation hive. This is my first experience with an observation hive and my first experience with any problems with my bees. I took the frame and all the bees on it, and placed it in the observation hive. I had an old queen from a hive I just requeened that I was going to use. Unfortunately, she had been removed from her hive a day and a half before and died in her cage shortly after placing her in the observation hive. The frame of brood I used had some eggs in it so I decided to see if they would raise a new queen as I thought this would be wonderful to watch. Now (2 days later), the larva are dying and turning black. I'm wondering if this is a symptom of chilled brood? I brought the hive inside to an air conditioned house from 90+ degree weather outside. Is it possible that I didn't get enough workers in the hive to properly take care of the brood? Is it safe to return this frame to the original hive with brood dying? Does anybody have any good instructions on how to properly start a flourishing observation hive? Any and help would be appreciated... Article 25829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: CAIR Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What's happening in my hive? Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:01:22 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8jt25g$6em$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.d9.6f.9c X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 2000 16:08:16 GMT X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/4.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25829 Hello I went to my hive and found many bees, but few capped brood cells. In the past (I installed the package of bees in April), there was a lot of capped brood. Today, there were also three empty queen supercedure (sp?) cells on the side of one frame. The bees see hard at work, but I am disturbed that that most of the cells that previously held brood are empty. I also noticed what I considered to be many drones. I saw at least a half dozen at the entrance to the hive. Is this normal? Also, I have a comb honey super on the hive, but the bees do not seem to want to go through the queen excluder to start drawing comb. And finally, why do the bees swarm over the side of the hive when I am checking the frames? What is happening? Do I need to get another queen. (I have yet to see a queen, but that is because of my inexperience.) What kind of queen should I get? Please send a copy of posted advice directly to cair1@ix.netcom.com. Ibrahim in Virginia Article 25830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees attraction to light at night?? Date: 4 Jul 2000 12:25:53 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8jt36h$319$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20000703042555.19265.00000602@ng-da1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25830 In article , Barry Metz wrote: >Hi > Absolutely no empirical research to support this but in my experience >bees are disturbed by and attracted to most of the light spectrum bar red. Check out _Honey Bee Biology_. citation at http://metalab.unc.edu/bees click on FAQs Or do a lit-search in agricola or biological abstracts for the keywords light and bees/hymenoptera Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:23:13 -0500 Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.93 Message-ID: <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 4 Jul 2000 13:16:43 -0400, 208.24.176.93 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.93 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25831 OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. Should I extract them? Larry "Chris Sauer" wrote in message news:sm3n0ftgop330@corp.supernews.com... > Not a good idea for several reasons. First, the queen will end up laying up > in the supers and when you want to use them next year they'll be filled with > brood. Even if you get them off after the brood hatches, they'll be very > attractive homes for wax moths in the future. Moths prefer the brood > casings and you'll avoid alot of wax moth damage by keeping your supers free > of them. > > Last, when you treat with chemicals this year, you'll contaminate your > supers. > > The best bet is to stack the supers and treat them for wax moths; supers > with drawn comb are your most important resource as a honey producer! > > chris > 85 hives in NE Iowa > www.greathoney.com > "Larry W" wrote in message > news:3960edb4_1@news.vic.com... > > Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. I just > > extracted my last super this year I think and thanks to the help here I > > didn't break any wax this time. I have 4 hives and 3 of them have supers > on > > them with various amounts of honey from empty frames to full frames not > all > > capped. There has been no winter to speak of here in Alabama for the last > > two years and I have left the supers on the hives. I plan on adding apstan > > in early September. > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > > > Article 25832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Message-ID: References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 55 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:37:36 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:34:01 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25832 I vote that you don't. In article <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com>, larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net says... > OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have > partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. > Should I extract them? > > Larry > > "Chris Sauer" wrote in message > news:sm3n0ftgop330@corp.supernews.com... > > Not a good idea for several reasons. First, the queen will end up laying > up > > in the supers and when you want to use them next year they'll be filled > with > > brood. Even if you get them off after the brood hatches, they'll be very > > attractive homes for wax moths in the future. Moths prefer the brood > > casings and you'll avoid alot of wax moth damage by keeping your supers > free > > of them. > > > > Last, when you treat with chemicals this year, you'll contaminate your > > supers. > > > > The best bet is to stack the supers and treat them for wax moths; supers > > with drawn comb are your most important resource as a honey producer! > > > > chris > > 85 hives in NE Iowa > > www.greathoney.com > > "Larry W" wrote in message > > news:3960edb4_1@news.vic.com... > > > Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. I just > > > extracted my last super this year I think and thanks to the help here I > > > didn't break any wax this time. I have 4 hives and 3 of them have supers > > on > > > them with various amounts of honey from empty frames to full frames not > > all > > > capped. There has been no winter to speak of here in Alabama for the > last > > > two years and I have left the supers on the hives. I plan on adding > apstan > > > in early September. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 25833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:47:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.235.50 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 962736435 168.191.235.50 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:47:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:47:15 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25833 I guess you could extract half of them and then feed it back to them in a feeder so they would finish the rest of the frames. Darrell Larry W wrote in message news:39621bfb_2@news.vic.com... > OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have > partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. > Should I extract them? > > Larry > > "Chris Sauer" wrote in message > news:sm3n0ftgop330@corp.supernews.com... > > Not a good idea for several reasons. First, the queen will end up laying > up > > in the supers and when you want to use them next year they'll be filled > with > > brood. Even if you get them off after the brood hatches, they'll be very > > attractive homes for wax moths in the future. Moths prefer the brood > > casings and you'll avoid alot of wax moth damage by keeping your supers > free > > of them. > > > > Last, when you treat with chemicals this year, you'll contaminate your > > supers. > > > > The best bet is to stack the supers and treat them for wax moths; supers > > with drawn comb are your most important resource as a honey producer! > > > > chris > > 85 hives in NE Iowa > > www.greathoney.com > > "Larry W" wrote in message > > news:3960edb4_1@news.vic.com... > > > Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. I just > > > extracted my last super this year I think and thanks to the help here I > > > didn't break any wax this time. I have 4 hives and 3 of them have supers > > on > > > them with various amounts of honey from empty frames to full frames not > > all > > > capped. There has been no winter to speak of here in Alabama for the > last > > > two years and I have left the supers on the hives. I plan on adding > apstan > > > in early September. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 25834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey filter Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:50:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.235.50 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 962736615 168.191.235.50 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:50:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:50:15 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25834 What do you use to filter honey and how important is it to filter honey? Darrell Article 25835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey filter Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:49:41 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <39623FD5.3F282654@midwest.net> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25835 Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > What do you use to filter honey and how important is it to filter honey? > Darrell Depends on your customer. Are they the "all natural food" types, or super market types. All natural advocates will prefer unfiltered honey, super market types will want it crystal clear. If you are submitting it for county fair judging, go with crystal clear and use quality glass, not plastic, containers. To remove unsightly large objects, filter with a coarse screen. To produce crystal clear honey, filter *several* times with the leg/foot portion of panty hose. (Yeah Skip, I know...) AL Article 25836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bearing of extractor. Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:46:15 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-130-236.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 962739940 607 212.239.130.236 (4 Jul 2000 19:45:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 2000 19:45:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!golmote!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25836 Do you lubricate the lower bearing of an extractor, and if yes with what? Article 25837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "CharlesW" From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Honey filter Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:03:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.240.33.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 962741327 205.240.33.203 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:08:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:08:47 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25837 The best filter, and probably the cheapest, I have ever seen work well, believe it or not, is a "sausage" made of 7 layers of women's nylon stockings. The honey will need to be heated to 125 degrees (do not go higher and risk scorching!) and run through the nylons. Then let it sit until the cloudiness (small air bubbles) has gone and bottle it up. You could really get by with very little filtering. The biggest reason is for presentation when selling it. Most people expect clear honey. "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote in message news:Hlq85.29575$NP5.857961@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > What do you use to filter honey and how important is it to filter honey? > Darrell > > > Article 25838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <396249AD.32107575@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's happening in my hive? References: <8jt25g$6em$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 61 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:31:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 962742703 24.91.48.64 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:31:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:31:43 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25838 Disclaimer: this is my second year keeping bees. There are certainly more knowledgeable people on this list. CAIR wrote: > > Hello > > I went to my hive and found many bees, but few capped brood cells. In the past (I installed the > package of bees in April), there was a lot of capped brood. > > Today, there were also three empty queen supercedure (sp?) cells on the side of one frame. Ah-ha! It seems that your colony has superceded the queen. A little odd for a new package, but I've heard that it happens. > The bees see hard at work, but I am disturbed that that most of the cells that previously held brood > are empty. There is a period of time between when they kill the old queen and the new one starts laying - that leaves time for brood to hatch out but there's nothing to replace it. It'll take a couple weeks for your new queen to be mated and start laying. You should check back in 2 or 3 weeks and be sure that there is a laying queen. > I also noticed what I considered to be many drones. I saw at least a half dozen at the entrance to the > hive. Is this normal? Yes - if you need your new queen to mate, there needs to be plenty of drones. Just watch out that you start getting worker brood and don't have all drone brood. > Also, I have a comb honey super on the hive, but the bees do not seem to want to go through the > queen excluder to start drawing comb. A new package that has lost its queen doesn't have enough bees to do much with a super. But even if they did, they may not go through the excluder. Try rotating it 90 degrees (so the ends of the box is open to the ones below) to allow more bees to go through. > And finally, why do the bees swarm over the side of the hive when I am checking the frames? > What is happening? I don't know about that. > Do I need to get another queen. (I have yet to see a queen, but that is because of my inexperience.) > What kind of queen should I get? I'd wait a couple of weeks and check for a good laying queen. If you introduce a new queen when you have a virgin, the colony will kill your new one (I know, by expensive experience). -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39624AFE.96A242FE@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:37:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 962743039 24.91.48.64 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:37:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:37:19 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25839 Larry W wrote: > > OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have > partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. > Should I extract them? Extract the ones that are mostly capped, leave the rest on for the bees to finish (assuming you have more time this year for the bees to fill them up). If it's the end of the year, take the extracted ones, and the partially filled ones that you didn't extract, and put them in a super _above_ the inner cover and put the outer cover over it. The bees will clean out all of the honey from all of them and bring it down to store it. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:29:38 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <8jthkb$3n2$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> Reply-To: "Keith B. Forsyth" NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.226 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25840 You can use a food grade (approved) grease. Article 25841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Why@me.com (SomeOne) Subject: Re: Honey filter References: X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 35 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:48:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.163.162 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 962744009 38.27.163.162 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:53:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:53:29 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25841 In article , "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote: >What do you use to filter honey and how important is it to filter honey? >Darrell > I'm sure many others will check in but... I strain my honey through a nylon mesh. Nylon paint strainers work rather well. Then it is transferred to a settleing tank. There it sits for at least three days. We then bottle off the bottom. I suppose, if you don't mind skimming the stuff off the top, you could go straight from the extractor to the settling tank. Then after a couple of days skim the crud off the top. IMNSHO filtering is different from straining. Filtering entails a much finer mesh ( kinda like the coffee filter ) normally it is required to heat the honey and thenpump it through the filter. I started keeping bees to get away from my paying job. I was no big fan of honey because all I had ever had was what was on the store shelves..Karo Syrup tasted the same and was cheaper to boot.... Of course when handleing a frame of honey I stuck my finger in it and tasted the sticky substance. I remember thinking 'WHOA...this isn't what I've been buying! '. Part of that flavor is straining rather than filtering. To more directly answer your question... You may use the nylon paint strainer or a Stainless steel strainer available from many bee equipment suppliers. I have used both and they are fine. I prefer the paint strainers because I can put it in a 5 gal bucket ( with a gate at the bottom ) and extract into it. Set it aside and use a similar set up to keep going. If I use a SS strainer when it clogs I have to slow the flow down while it fills the bucket. Remember I still let it settle in a SS tank to allow any really small bits of wax and the air induced in the extracting process to rise to the top. Sorry for the huge message. Good luck to you! Article 25842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mbarton15653@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen in super? Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:04:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8js9a1$2ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.219.46.2 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 04 09:04:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 INET, 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.219.46.2 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmbarton15653 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25842 I started from a nuc a few months ago and everything to date seems fine, however, on inspection yesterday as well as finding the frames in the super being filled with honey and some just beginning to be capped off.........I also saw to my surprise some pollen being stored on a couple of frames. Is this normal in a super or are my bees trying to tell me something like they need more brood room? Thankyou for your help. Michael Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!199.45.45.9!cyclone2.ba-dsg.net!typhoon1.ba-dsg.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey From: mead-maker@NOHYPHENSbell-atlantic.net (Trask) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9ak85.176$EV6.33649@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:48:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.156.45.153 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@bellatlantic.net X-Trace: typhoon1.ba-dsg.net 962711301 141.156.45.153 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:48:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:48:21 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25843 >Since many of us in this NG could be classified as hobbyist 1 - 6 hives, >wondering what you do with your honey? I got about 6 gals off one hive >am fixing to get about 10 more gallons off my other 3. While I don't have my own hives I've been making friends with those that do ... I'm an amateur brewer (mostly mead, beer and few wines) In addition to the other replies, check out the following link to find a local brewing club - http://brewery.org/brewery/infobase/club/clublist.html You could make some of your own mead (honey based wine - check out gotmead.com) or offer it for sale to those that brew. We're always looking for good sources of honey and prefer to support those around us rather than some large conglomerate! Wassail, Chris --- Head brewer/bottle-washer at Hummingbird Cellars (1 sip will leave 'ya humming) What's Brewing? Cherry mead, Strawberry mead, Bavarian Wheat Beer, Braggot What's Aging? Apricot, Blackberry, Blueberry, Citrus-Ginger, Cyser, Methaglin, Peach, Plum, Pyment, Raspberry, Traditional, Vanilla, Framboise, Oatmeal Cream Stout Article 25844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:46:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25844 Not a good idea for several reasons. First, the queen will end up laying up in the supers and when you want to use them next year they'll be filled with brood. Even if you get them off after the brood hatches, they'll be very attractive homes for wax moths in the future. Moths prefer the brood casings and you'll avoid alot of wax moth damage by keeping your supers free of them. Last, when you treat with chemicals this year, you'll contaminate your supers. The best bet is to stack the supers and treat them for wax moths; supers with drawn comb are your most important resource as a honey producer! chris 85 hives in NE Iowa www.greathoney.com "Larry W" wrote in message news:3960edb4_1@news.vic.com... > Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. I just > extracted my last super this year I think and thanks to the help here I > didn't break any wax this time. I have 4 hives and 3 of them have supers on > them with various amounts of honey from empty frames to full frames not all > capped. There has been no winter to speak of here in Alabama for the last > two years and I have left the supers on the hives. I plan on adding apstan > in early September. > > Thanks > > Larry > > Article 25845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!feeder.via.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news-1.opaltelecom.net!not-for-mail From: "Rookie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: absolute beginner Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:18:35 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.24.143.48 X-Trace: news-1.opaltelecom.net 962720343 62.24.143.48 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:19:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:19:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25845 I'm a complete beginner. I have a standard National broodbox with 11 frames of new foundation on it's stand with the roof on waiting for a swarm. Is it ok like that or will the foundation get too hot, invaded by unwanted organisms or anything else? What is my chance of getting a swarm and is it too late to think of starting this year? If I do get a swarm will they survive the winter? South England. Article 25846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news-sto.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen in super? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:37:10 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8jtld7$6hm$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <8js9a1$2ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-128-126.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 962746599 6710 212.239.128.126 (4 Jul 2000 21:36:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 2000 21:36:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25846 Yes some pollen in the supper is normal. Have a good harvest (of honey) mbarton15653@my-deja.com heeft geschreven in bericht <8js9a1$2ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >I started from a nuc a few months ago and everything to date seems fine, >however, on inspection yesterday as well as finding the frames in the >super being filled with honey and some just beginning to be capped >off.........I also saw to my surprise some pollen being stored on a >couple of frames. Is this normal in a super or are my bees trying to >tell me something like they need more brood room? >Thankyou for your help. >Michael > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 25847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: real beeswax comb Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:22:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20000629042336.01817.00000631@ng-fs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962750384 nnrp-07:7406 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25847 In article <20000629042336.01817.00000631@ng-fs1.aol.com>, LKLarson1 writes >By the way, any educational suggestions for presentations to classrooms--ideas, >techniques, "catchy facts" you've used in your presentations to groups? The British Beekeepers Association has a publication called "Bees in the Curriculum" designed for under 11's. It is a hard ring file binder with source material for activities, notes, pictures, and so on. It has a list of good resources from booklets to videos. Try http//:www.bbka.demon.co.uk. If you have problems come back to me and I'll trace a supply person. -- James Kilty Article 25848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question: on Brood & half method Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:14:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <395389A3.BAC0CB27@york.ac.uk> <0gTcisAEd9W5EwYE@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962750384 nnrp-07:7406 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 31 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25848 In article , Paul Waites writes >Peter Edwards suggests that I make an artificial swarm: Sounds a good >idea, I'll have to read this up when I get home. The only scary bit is >that I've not done this before, and will it mean that again I'll loose all >chance of a honey crop. It's far better than culling cells. You have a swarmy strain of bee. I'd aim to requeen next year somehow. They will get you more honey than if they swarm. One way to reduce the chances is to split the frames with queen cells into a top box (leaving one frame with the queen below - you can shake all the bees down into the original box and put the frames in one by one - let young bees go up to the brood and cut the top box off a few hours later - turn the whole thing round letting the flying bees go to the top box entrance now at the front of the hive. The old queen is below with a rear entrance. Cut queen cells down to one unsealed. Turn them back a week later and hopefully the swarming tendency is gone. Cut out all emergency cells and any you missed first time. The old queen will have marked time somewhat with few bees and start up again. You can use a Snelgrove board to let some of the bees back to the old queen or give some brood and bees back but you can easily trigger the swarming off again. Hopefully, they'll stay together in July and you'll have a new laying queen in August to replace the old one. She *may* be less swarmy. >And finally thanks once again for all the advice: James Kilty describes >me as a minimalist beekeeper... No - it was your advisor I thought might be from that school or his/her advisor and so on back to the one who started it all. I hope you can get something to work. -- James Kilty Article 25849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: absolute beginner Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:37:29 +0100 Message-ID: <2r2swhApcmY5Ew5q@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962750385 nnrp-07:7406 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25849 In article , Rookie writes >I'm a complete beginner. I have a standard National broodbox with 11 frames >of new foundation on it's stand with the roof on waiting for a swarm. Swarms would be possible if you had one old used drawn frame. > Is it >ok like that or will the foundation get too hot, invaded by unwanted >organisms or anything else? What is my chance of getting a swarm and is it >too late to think of starting this year? The chances are now low. Early May is the best time to put a bait hive out. > If I do get a swarm will they >survive the winter? South England. All swarms need feeding. They evolved in a non-agricultural environment and not all British summers and autumns provide enough forage to see a swarm to the stage they have enough comb and stores to survive a winter and poor spring. It is much better to purchase a nucleus from a local beekeeper or your local association which I advise you to join. -- James Kilty Article 25850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:38:43 +0100 Message-ID: <2LwsYkAzdmY5Ewbk@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962750387 nnrp-07:7406 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25850 In article <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com>, Larry W writes >Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. Lots of locals here in West Cornwall leave supers on all through the winter. They say it cuts down wax moth problems as it's either too cool for them or the bees deal with them. They repair when they can and they are there if they need to move honey up to give the queen space to lay. They are there when needed. But it might be easier to remove the ones you want to renew in the autumn. Of course you must keep the queen excluder on. Even then, you can sometimes get the queen go up and then you do have problems getting her back - especially if you use drone foundation in the supers!!!!! -- James Kilty Article 25851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bebs63@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bees! (wild) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:48:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8jtpk4$ces$1@nnrp2.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: iw8.deja.com X-Trace: nnrp2.deja.com 962750916 12764 10.12.1.135 (4 Jul 2000 22:48:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@deja.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 2000 22:48:36 GMT X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 04 22:10:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: HTTP/1.1 ts-cluster-B[C0A81F08] (Traffic-Server/3.0.6 [uSc s f p eN:tUc i p s ]), 1.1 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 193.113.185.168 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25851 Yesterday (nice and sunny) I came across a mass of bees (about 2 feet square) on the ground beneath a tree near my house. They looked pretty healthy (to my very untrained eye). Today, very wet and a bit cooler, the whole mass is either dead or just a few individuals still moving. This is in the middle of farmland, but we use no pesticides. Any ideas what might have happened? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bebs63@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead wild bees Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:56:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8jtq2o$3md$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.113.185.169 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 04 22:56:29 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: HTTP/1.1 ts-cluster-B[C0A81F09] (Traffic-Server/3.0.6 [uScMs f p eN:t cCMi p s ]), 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 193.113.185.169 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbebs63 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25852 Yesterday I found a swarm of wild honey bees on the track at my farm. They were crawling around, and some were flying, (but not far). It rained today and this evening when I checked they were all dead (or dying). Does anyone know what might have happened to them all? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!not-for-mail From: melissabee23@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee art at burningman Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:32:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8jtvmq$evi$1@nnrp2.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: iw8.deja.com X-Trace: nnrp2.deja.com 962757146 15346 10.12.1.135 (5 Jul 2000 00:32:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@deja.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2000 00:32:26 GMT X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 05 00:06:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x75.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.15.2.72 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25853 worker bees unite! hey, here is a happening to pass on to all bee loving folks out there. this year for the burningman event i am building an art installation entitled temple of the bee/shrine to the forgotten pollinators. i am building a huge bee out of natural materials. as an end of the event, the art installation will be burned. i am looking for fellow bee enthusiasts to help with the constuction and burning performance. for the performance, i am looking for people in their beekeeping gear or dressed as bees. contact melissa at melissawh23@yahoo.com if you want to join me. more info about the burningman event can be found at www.burningman.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Light, Heat and Location Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:42:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 68 Message-ID: <8ju096$7qd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8i8r9r$g45$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000619130221.17724.00000154@ng-fj1.aol.com> <8ip7un$8pt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 05 00:42:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25854 Hi Mike in VT, To winter in New England (Portsmouth, NH) how many brood chambers should I have for winter (I have been reading both 2 and 3 and not sure which)? Thanks Ron In article <8ip7un$8pt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kamtout@together.net wrote: > Question, When you place Tarpaper in order to help keep hive warm > during cold > > weather and what would happen if the bee fly out from the hive and end > up hit a > > cold snap in the air? > > Tim > > > Tim, > Normally bees don't fly about looking for honey until the temp is 51 or > higher. But since they've been cooped up they will make short little > runs for a 100 feet or so in quite cold weather since they need to > defecate somewhere. If they hit a cold snap they fly back. Every winter > during one of these cleansing flights its not unheard of to see bees > dead all over but the numbers are usually only a few hundred. And this > is with quite a few hives about. They'll definitely die or get deathly > ill if it's so cold they can't leave the hive for 2 months, but that > would be due to nosema. The tarpaper doesn't keep the hive warm. It does > two things. #1 It provides a protection against wind. #2 it warms the > hive to temperatures that allow the bees in the dead of a winter to > slightly break cluster enough to let them move to another honey frame. > Is it absolutely necessary? NO. This gets into a philosophical approach > for some. I have freinds that never wrap theirs and others with HUNDREDS > of hives and they feel the insurance of wrapping pays. It's time > consuming more than expensive. One roll ($10.00) does about 20 hives. > But in areas further north in Canada, wintering bees is a bit more > serious. They experience colder temps (i.e. -30 to 40- below zero) on a > regular basis and some move their hive to wintering chambers where the > wind and cold are not as extreme. I've even seen arguments for killing > bees each year and taking the winter stores as honey in these cold > areas as it's economically better. go figure. > Others up here move their bees to Carolinas where they can winter them > over on only one deep super and take the other as extracted honey > because the winters are easier there. > Back to your original question, bees die when they fly in winter but > it's not like the whole hive gets flying at once and instantly turns to > crystal and drops in the field eh? Only a small bunch die in those > flights. > > -- > Mike in VT > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Critters in my hives! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:27:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 962760473 24.112.111.157 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:27:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:27:53 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25855 I have 3 hives, all started from 4 frame nucs. With the crappy weather we have had lately, I didn't know what to expect when I inspected them today. Well one hive was going great guns, even making comb and storing honey above the inner cover. Another was doing well, having drawn comb out on all the frames. The 3rd was not doing as well but appeared to be healthy. Anyway...My question is to do with invasive insects getting into the hives. On #2 hive, I found webbing and a coccoon above the inner cover. On #3 hive there were several Earwigs on top of the inner cover. Should I have any concerns regarding these other bugs? Thanks, Glen Archer, first year keeper in Ontario, Canada. Article 25856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 01:47:07 GMT References: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000704214707.04116.00000496@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25856 > On #2 hive, I found webbing and a coccoon above the >inner cover. On #3 hive there were several Earwigs on top of the inner >cover. Should I have any concerns regarding these other bugs? Since your hive are weak right now, I would clean out the webbing and coccoon right of way. On your new nuc. you need to put a stick at the enter door and leave about 1" open that way the Guard bee can cover the most area. Later when hive is getting strong and have many Guard bee, You can remove the stick. Somebody in here may explain better then me. Article 25857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee art at burningman Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 01:50:56 GMT References: <8jtvmq$evi$1@nnrp2.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000704215056.04116.00000497@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25857 >i am looking for fellow bee enthusiasts >to help with the constuction and burning >performance. for the performance, i am looking >for people in their beekeeping gear or dressed as >bees. contact melissa at melissawh23@yahoo.com if >you want to join me Sorry Melissa, I'm too busy eating my Honey! Article 25858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's happening in my hive? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 02:05:25 GMT References: <396249AD.32107575@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000704220525.04116.00000502@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25858 >> And finally, why do the bees swarm over the side of the hive when I am >checking the frames? >> What is happening? > I saw that happen one time. I pull that frame with most bees on it and found new Queen cell. If I were you, I did wait two or three week like Steve said. Tim Article 25859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 02:25:15 GMT References: <20000704214707.04116.00000496@ng-fe1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000704222515.02727.00000006@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25859 I usually knock the spiders off the covers and dump the ants and earwigs off too. Weak colonies get wax moths so watch for them. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 02:26:07 GMT References: <8jthkb$3n2$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000704222607.02727.00000007@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25860 Would beeswax work? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help on using this site Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 04:48:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000705004812.09535.00000442@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25861 I posted a message asking for advice on beekeeping presentations and got the first piece of advice fine (it was terrific) and before I read the second reply, I got interrupted by 4th of July fireworks. I got signed off. When I came back to this site--my original question was no longer there and the second reply (which I hadn't read) was gone. Is there any way retriving the question and the replies? Article 25862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000705004812.09535.00000442@ng-ck1.aol.com> Subject: Re: help on using this site Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:20:04 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.93 Message-ID: <3962c407_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 5 Jul 2000 01:13:43 -0400, 208.24.176.93 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.93 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25862 try to do a find from your email reader, looking for the subject. If not kill the NG and reload it. Larry "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000705004812.09535.00000442@ng-ck1.aol.com... > I posted a message asking for advice on beekeeping presentations and got the > first piece of advice fine (it was terrific) and before I read the second > reply, I got interrupted by 4th of July fireworks. I got signed off. > > When I came back to this site--my original question was no longer there and the > second reply (which I hadn't read) was gone. Is there any way retriving the > question and the replies? > > Article 25863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:50:04 -0400 Organization: IT Dept, Lambton College Lines: 23 Message-ID: <39632EFC.2EAAD6C9@lambton.on.ca> References: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25863 Glen & Zoe wrote: > I have 3 hives, all started from 4 frame nucs. With the crappy weather > we have had lately, I didn't know what to expect when I inspected them > today. Well one hive was going great guns, even making comb and storing > honey above the inner cover. Another was doing well, having drawn comb > out on all the frames. The 3rd was not doing as well but appeared to be > healthy. Anyway...My question is to do with invasive insects getting > into the hives. On #2 hive, I found webbing and a coccoon above the > inner cover. On #3 hive there were several Earwigs on top of the inner > cover. Should I have any concerns regarding these other bugs? Thanks, > Glen Archer, first year keeper in Ontario, Canada. I too find a few spiders and lots of earwigs each time I open up the hive. Always between th top of the inner cover and the lid.. I usually try to kill as many of them as I can, but I haven't been too worried about them since they dont appear to be inside the hive. Which part of Ontario are you from? My hives are located about 40km west of London, Ontario. Article 25864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39634F5C.9C7C73B5@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help on using this site References: <20000705004812.09535.00000442@ng-ck1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:08:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 962809692 24.91.48.64 (Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:08:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:08:12 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25864 You can look for it at www.deja.com/usenet - they keep archives of many newsgroups. -Steve LKLarson1 wrote: > > I posted a message asking for advice on beekeeping presentations and got the > first piece of advice fine (it was terrific) and before I read the second > reply, I got interrupted by 4th of July fireworks. I got signed off. > > When I came back to this site--my original question was no longer there and the > second reply (which I hadn't read) was gone. Is there any way retriving the > question and the replies? > > -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39635449.705405CF@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! References: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> <39632EFC.2EAAD6C9@lambton.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:27:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 962810824 24.112.111.157 (Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:27:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:27:04 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25865 Mark, I am in Guelph. It seems that the insects are not a real problem, I was just worried that perhaps there was an underlying reason for them being present (too humid, not enough ventilation etc.) I feel better hearing from everyone here. Thanks, Glen. Mark Veltman wrote: > > Glen & Zoe wrote: > > > I have 3 hives, all started from 4 frame nucs. With the crappy weather > > we have had lately, I didn't know what to expect when I inspected them > > today. Well one hive was going great guns, even making comb and storing > > honey above the inner cover. Another was doing well, having drawn comb > > out on all the frames. The 3rd was not doing as well but appeared to be > > healthy. Anyway...My question is to do with invasive insects getting > > into the hives. On #2 hive, I found webbing and a coccoon above the > > inner cover. On #3 hive there were several Earwigs on top of the inner > > cover. Should I have any concerns regarding these other bugs? Thanks, > > Glen Archer, first year keeper in Ontario, Canada. > > I too find a few spiders and lots of earwigs each time I open up the hive. > Always between th top of the inner cover and the lid.. I usually try to > kill as many of them as I can, but I haven't been too worried about them > since they dont appear to be inside the hive. Which part of Ontario are > you from? My hives are located about 40km west of London, Ontario. Article 25866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:06:27 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 2 Message-ID: <396340E3.C23BF323@okstate.edu> References: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76e3.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25866 I heard that you should use honey. Article 25867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Package Hive Swarmed - Now What? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3963727F.89FFC231@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:38:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 36 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25867 Group, I have had a package hive, installed April 8, swarm on me last week. It had built up to two full deeps and I put another deep on with some undrawn duraguilt foundation that I had purchased used from an individual and had been stored in a barn for about 5 years. I left the thing on the hive for a month and the bees never drew it out - not a single cell. I must have left it on for too long because 3 weeks ago I started finding swarm cells. I cut out the cells and reversed bodies and then made up some comb foundation and put it on two weeks ago. When I inspected the hive over last weekend I found the hive with a lot fewer bees and a lot of chewed comb foundation in that week old super. Lots of capped and emerging brood but no eggs or larva. They had drawn the comb foundation a little but I think the weather is too hot for thin comb foundation - a lot of warping. My other two hives are drawing it out like mad though as we are in the midst of what I think to be a alfalfa flow. I think the queen finally gave up on me and left. My question is: Do I purchase another queen and kill the virgin queen or do I let the hive be bees? I am worried that a virgin queen may take too long to get mated and start laying eggs. I doubt I will get much honey off this hive this year but I worry now if they will be able to build up and store enough honey to get them through the winter. They do have two deeps fully drawn and lots of stores but not enough for winter I don't think. I am located in S. Central Kansas. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "Daniel W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast bees (which race)? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:58:03 +0200 Organization: CEE Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8k00da$vbi$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <3950D469.CD2EC696@okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: idialup150.brussels2.eunet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 962823402 32114 193.121.143.150 (5 Jul 2000 18:56:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2000 18:56:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25868 Hi Gary, The buckfast is a breeding between apis mellifera mellifera (male) and apis ligustica (Italian bee)(female) (F1 level). this first breeding took place in 1917. However, in 1930, a second breeding took place with a french apis mellifera mellifera and males Buckfast F1 to produce F2 generation. In 1952, new breeding between buckfast F2 and apis mellifera cecropia (Greek bee) to reduce the aggressiveness( F3 generation). In 1960 new breeding to produce F4, between buckfast F3 and apis mellifera anatolia (Turkish bee). Actually, buckfast bees are from this F4 breeding. Try this link on brother Adam. http://www.fundp.ac.be/~jvandyck/homage.html Articles and bibliographies are well presented. Best regards Daniel http://apibel.ibelgique.com (in french actually, english under construction) Gary Johns a écrit dans le message : 3950D469.CD2EC696@okstate.edu... > What race are Buckfast bees considered to be from originally? Apis > Mellifera ??? > Article 25869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:22:29 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <39638AF5.91D3EA8F@bms.com> References: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@hunter.syr.pgr.bms.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25869 Use a food grade grease. Its the same that they use for large blenders and mixers. Should be able to buy it in a restaurant supply store. "hans.wartena" wrote: > Do you lubricate the lower bearing of an extractor, and if yes with what? Article 25870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help on using this site Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:26:39 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39638BEF.535981D6@bms.com> References: <20000705004812.09535.00000442@ng-ck1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@hunter.syr.pgr.bms.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25870 Goto deja.com they have archieves of all newsgroup messages. You can search by topic. Good luck LKLarson1 wrote: > I posted a message asking for advice on beekeeping presentations and got the > first piece of advice fine (it was terrific) and before I read the second > reply, I got interrupted by 4th of July fireworks. I got signed off. > > When I came back to this site--my original question was no longer there and the > second reply (which I hadn't read) was gone. Is there any way retriving the > question and the replies? > > Article 25871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: absolute beginner Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:39:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8k06di$g18$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-77.deagol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 962829554 16424 62.136.152.205 (5 Jul 2000 20:39:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2000 20:39:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25871 Too late for prime swarms but there are still cast about - I have picked up three this week. However, they will be small, will need constant feeding to build them up for the winter and will probably not be from very good stock - colonies that throw casts this late are generally from 'swarmy' bees. There is an old saying which ends ' a swarm in July- let the b*****s fly'. On the plus side, a cast now will have a young queen and may build into a good colony for the spring. You can always requeen it next year. "Rookie" wrote in message news:rnm85.91$53.6919@news-1.opaltelecom.net... > I'm a complete beginner. I have a standard National broodbox with 11 frames > of new foundation on it's stand with the roof on waiting for a swarm. Is it > ok like that or will the foundation get too hot, invaded by unwanted > organisms or anything else? What is my chance of getting a swarm and is it > too late to think of starting this year? If I do get a swarm will they > survive the winter? South England. > > > > Article 25872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen in super? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:45:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8k06nl$g78$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8js9a1$2ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-77.deagol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 962829877 16616 62.136.152.205 (5 Jul 2000 20:44:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2000 20:44:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25872 If the brood box had foundation and the super was drawn comb then you will get pollen in the super - nowhere else for the bees to put it! This will happen if you make an artificial swarm using a brood box full of foundation and put the supers on top. wrote in message news:8js9a1$2ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I started from a nuc a few months ago and everything to date seems fine, > however, on inspection yesterday as well as finding the frames in the > super being filled with honey and some just beginning to be capped > off.........I also saw to my surprise some pollen being stored on a > couple of frames. Is this normal in a super or are my bees trying to > tell me something like they need more brood room? > Thankyou for your help. > Michael > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees! (wild) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:34:25 +0100 Message-ID: <82Q+XEAxf7Y5EwI4@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <8jtpk4$ces$1@nnrp2.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962836780 nnrp-07:22096 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25873 In article <8jtpk4$ces$1@nnrp2.deja.com>, bebs63@my-deja.com writes >Yesterday (nice and sunny) I came across a mass >of bees (about 2 feet square) on the ground >beneath a tree near my house. They looked pretty >healthy (to my very untrained eye). Today, very >wet and a bit cooler, the whole mass is either >dead or just a few individuals still moving. This >is in the middle of farmland, but we use no >pesticides. Any ideas what might have happened? I had a student lose a swarm whilst on holiday and found a pile of dead bees under a bush nearby. The weather had not been good and the swarm must have hung and hung and hung using their stores up and eventually starving to death. They would then lose their grip and fall. They would be at similar stages of starvation since they share their food. So they would all die together. One solution if you find this again (unlikely) is to spray them lightly with sugar syrup and put a hive next to them to crawl into. -- James Kilty Article 25874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:37:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20000704214707.04116.00000496@ng-fe1.aol.com> <20000704222515.02727.00000006@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962836781 nnrp-07:22096 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25874 In article <20000704222515.02727.00000006@ng-cd1.aol.com>, BeeCrofter writes >I usually knock the spiders off the covers and dump the ants and earwigs off >too. Yes to losing ants, earwigs, snails and so on, but spiders help with the wax moth and take few bees as payment. -- James Kilty Article 25875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:17:07 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <39642463.9C6E68F2@kingston.net> References: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25875 Well, if it's a sealed bearing then no. But if not then use a food grade grease as suggested. If the extractor was purchased from a manufacture then there might be recommendations for preventative maintenance. When I built mine I used a sealed bearing for the top of the spindle but I used a teflon bushing for the bottom. Since it is honey I'm curious if the lower bearing isn't sealed. Kent Stienburg Article 25876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:37:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39642912.ED7048C5@kingston.net> References: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25876 Well, the first thing Glen is put a super on the one hive if they are making comb above the inner cover. You might want to think about putting some screen across the opening in the inner covers. I'm in Kingston Ontario and the weather has been very wet here also. As long as the bugs are outside of the hive then I wouldn't get to worried yet. I occasionally find earwigs and ants on the top of the inner cover. I knock them off and kill them. It has not become a real problem as there is no place for them to get into the hive unless they use the front door. If they really bother you then put some thin sponge weather stripping alone the top edge of the inner cover and the lid should seal tight. I'm about 1.5 supers/hive behind last year. But the sun has shone here for 4 days straight and it's warmed up to summer like temps, so the sweet clover is out. Good luck. Kent Stienburg Article 25877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!NewsWatcher!user From: c@usit.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mad bees Message-ID: Lines: 26 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 07:24:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.155.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 962886137 216.80.155.178 (Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:22:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:22:17 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25877 Greetings I am a first year bee keeper, and started two hives this spring. One hive is still small and seems weak but the bees are friendly and non aggressive. On the other hand the other hive is strong appears healthy has drawn out almost all frames in the brood box, but they are pissed off every time I as much as remove the top cover of the hive. I feel like I jumped out into the middle of a gang of Crips and announced that I am a Blood..... Why are these so aggressive? All of the bees came from the same place at the same time. I realize that they are protecting their hive but this seems a little much. I have been a round other Italian bees that I did not even wear and gloves or head cover. Do I need to re Queen? These are Italian bees and Queens. Thanks Charles Article 25878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <396495CA.63E87E7E@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! References: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> <39642912.ED7048C5@kingston.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:18:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 962893125 24.112.111.157 (Thu, 06 Jul 2000 07:18:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 07:18:45 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25878 I put supers on 2 of the three hives, and will monitor the third one. I had enlarged the entrances 2 weeks ago, and have totally removed the reducers now. I hope this warm and sunny weather continues, all the bees are flying like crazy now. Thanks for the input, Glen Archer. kent stienburg wrote: > > Well, the first thing Glen is put a super on the one hive if they are > making comb above the inner cover. You might want to think about > putting some screen across the opening in the inner covers. I'm in > Kingston Ontario and the weather has been very wet here also. As long as > the bugs are outside of the hive then I wouldn't get to worried yet. I > occasionally find earwigs and ants on the top of the inner cover. I > knock them off and kill them. It has not become a real problem as there > is no place for them to get into the hive unless they use the front > door. If they really bother you then put some thin sponge weather > stripping alone the top edge of the inner cover and the lid should seal > tight. I'm about 1.5 supers/hive behind last year. But the sun has > shone here for 4 days straight and it's warmed up to summer like temps, > so the sweet clover is out. Good luck. > > Kent Stienburg Article 25879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone-west.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3964CEB2.A41183C5@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mad bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:23:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 962907827 24.91.48.64 (Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:23:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:23:47 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25879 C wrote: > > Greetings > > I am a first year bee keeper, and started two hives this spring. > > One hive is still small and seems weak but the bees are friendly and non > aggressive. On the other hand the other hive is strong appears healthy has > drawn out almost all frames in the brood box, but they are pissed off > every time I as much as remove the top cover of the hive. Were they always this way? Or did they suddenly start? Check to see if there is another explanation for them being mean - do they have mites? Are skunks bothering them every night? Is there a good, laying queen there? I had one hive which superceded its queen this past spring - they were a mean bunch too while there was a virgin queen. As soon as the queen was mated and got down to business, the hive turned gentle again. If they were always mean, and your queen is healthy (good brood pattern) and you have no other explanation, you could try to requeen. But be sure there's no virgin queen in there, or they'll kill any queen you try to give them. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject given) Message-ID: <20000706.140132.179177.NETNEWS@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU> From: "Winfield S. Morgan" Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:00:05 -0400 Lines: 0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.71.4.157 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.wvnet.edu!wvnvms!wvnvm!u1a00850 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25880 Article 25881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:45:37 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 409 Message-ID: <8k2k33$us6$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> <39642463.9C6E68F2@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-128-83.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 962909091 31622 212.239.128.83 (6 Jul 2000 18:44:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 2000 18:44:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25881 Thank you Kent. The bearing is rather standard, at least here in and around Belgium. Here a sketch Hans. kent stienburg heeft geschreven in bericht <39642463.9C6E68F2@kingston.net>... >Well, if it's a sealed bearing then no. But if not then use a food >grade grease as suggested. 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