Article 25807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Candy Recipe? Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 11:14:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 28 Message-ID: <395dd28d.41450359@news1.radix.net> References: <8jjvk2$c4a@atlas.lcc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p12.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25807 On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:27:52 -0500, "nomad" wrote: > Can anyone tell me a good formula for making "bee candy" used for >feeding bees and sealing queen cages? > > Also I noticed that a recipe for feeding bees called for powered sugar >WITHOUT cornstarch; do they make such a thing, where could I find it, and is >it really important enough for me to worry about. I think the recipe (maybe >it was for dry pollen sub) was in TH&THB. > > I'm also curious where I could find a small supply of HFCS; i just have >6 hives and a don't need a tanker load. Is the stuff in the supermarket >useable? > >Many thanks > >-- >to : > >My email mirrors my name: >damon :: nomad > > > It's powdered sugar and numoline. beekeep Article 25808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: Michael Purcell Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kudzu Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 08:47:35 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <8jjd1s$l4e$1@bob.news.rcn.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.95.d1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 1 Jul 2000 12:47:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.6/32.525 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25808 "Angela & Keith Copi" wrote: >Does anyone happen to know if honey bees work kudzu flowers? > >Keith > I've not seen this myself, but another beekeeper told me some years ago that he actually had patches of kudzu honey in the honey supers. He said the smell and flavor is something like grape. Kudzu does not produce enough nectar for the bees to collect much, and if it didn't bloom during the August dearth, this beekeeper's story would be harder to believe. Michael Article 25809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kudzu Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jul 2000 15:12:03 GMT References: <8jjd1s$l4e$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000701111203.02012.00001805@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25809 >Does anyone happen to know if honey bees work kudzu flowers? I've never seen a honeybee on them. I think the flower is too deep. Bumblebees and some solitary bees work them freely. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!magpie.cat.net.th!not-for-mail From: Simon McKay-Mills Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: wanted - plans for a National Hive Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:00:15 +0100 Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Lines: 16 Message-ID: <395C619F.8C70CC0B@cogentcom.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.48.51.26 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25810 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:216 Hi, I have searched high and low for the plans for a National hive with no success. Does anyone know where I might find one, or if they have an electronic version that they could send to me - I would be much obliged. easiest contact address is smckaymills at hotmail dot com thanks in advance simon Article 25811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question: on Brood & half method Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 30 Jun 2000 09:00:54 GMT References: <0gTcisAEd9W5EwYE@kilty.demon.co.uk> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20000630050054.04297.00000859@ng-ff1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25811 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: For Sale Extractor Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:19:45 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.131.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 962471983 212.126.131.93 (Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:19:43 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:19:43 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25812 Hello Everybody Due to upgrade I have a 3/6 Tangential Manual Stainless Steel Extractor for sale,£175 ono. Thanks Mike Smith Article 25813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: For Sale Extractor Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 18:21:57 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.131.93 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 962472115 212.126.131.93 (Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:21:55 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 18:21:55 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25813 Sorry I should have put in that I live in Surrey U.K. Mike "Mike Smith" wrote in message news:PKp75.796$7l6.96048@nnrp3.clara.net... > Hello Everybody > Due to upgrade I have a 3/6 Tangential Manual > Stainless Steel Extractor for sale,£175 ono. > > Thanks > Mike Smith > > Article 25814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon.snet.net!not-for-mail From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Are my hives diseased?? X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Lines: 37 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 19:29:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.60.214.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@snet.net X-Trace: typhoon.snet.net 962479797 204.60.214.157 (Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:29:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 15:29:57 EDT Organization: SNET Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25814 Background... I made a split from an established hive thought I got queen cells but didn't ordered a Carniolan Queen from California documented to be disease free. after the queen was out of the cage I checked 6 days later and there was eggs checked on hive 15 days later larve and capped brood. went in today 30 days later and found darker bees mixed with original bees. very little brood some larve was white but shrivelled.... wet not dry. thought I found the queen, stared hard and believe I was looking at her. What is this? What do I do? Will this effect the 2 other hives I have near by and do I need to move this hive? Could I have mistaken a bee for a queen and is the queen dead? (is this consistant with the brood problem?) Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. Norman Patterson npatt@snet.net Article 25815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Are my hives diseased?? Lines: 64 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:36:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.10 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 962491019 12.72.50.10 (Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:36:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:36:59 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25815 It doesn't sound like your experience is such that you can diagnose disease, and I am not convinced by your description that there is anything unusual. Carniolans are a darker bee. The "very little brood" could be because the colony was queenless for a period of time. If you had ordered the queen marked, you would know: 1. it is a queen 2. it is alive 3. it is the queen you introduced -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there wrote in message news:VEr75.448$0D.340093@typhoon.snet.net... > Background... > I made a split from an established hive > > thought I got queen cells but didn't > > ordered a Carniolan Queen from California documented to be disease free. > > > after the queen was out of the cage I checked 6 days later and there was eggs > > > checked on hive 15 days later larve and capped brood. > > > went in today 30 days later and found darker bees mixed with original bees. > > > very little brood > > > some larve was white but shrivelled.... wet not dry. > > > thought I found the queen, stared hard and believe I was looking at her. > > > What is this? What do I do? Will this effect the 2 other hives I have near by and do I need to move this hive? > Could I have mistaken a bee for a queen and is the queen dead? (is this consistant with the brood problem?) > > > Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. > > > Norman Patterson > > npatt@snet.net > Article 25816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is it honey yet? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:22:08 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25816 Hi folks, It's the beginning beekeeper again. I have extracted my first super of honey & it's a good bit thinner than some other honey I've gotten from other places, but I would estimate 85% of the comb was capped and none would shake out of the open cells when I tried. (I believe the honey flow ended before all the cells were filled and capped.) Did I extract too early or is some honey just thinner than others? Does capped always mean ripe? Also, I'm in north Alabama & the honey is light colored with a pretty mild taste. Any idea of what kind of flower(s) it came from? Thanks for the advice, Rodney ****************** Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net (remove the obvious part to reply) Article 25817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp3.clara.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mike Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping References: <395C619F.8C70CC0B@cogentcom.co.uk> Subject: Re: wanted - plans for a National Hive Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:10:46 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.126.131.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@clara.net X-Trace: nnrp3.clara.net 962543443 212.126.131.122 (Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:10:43 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:10:43 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25817 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:217 Simon Try his link cost is £2.10p + p+p http://www.angus.co.uk/bibba/bibba2.html Mike Smith "Simon McKay-Mills" wrote in message news:395C619F.8C70CC0B@cogentcom.co.uk... > Hi, > > I have searched high and low for the plans for a National hive with no > success. > > Does anyone know where I might find one, or if they have an electronic > version that they could send to me - I would be much obliged. > > easiest contact address is > > smckaymills at hotmail dot com > > thanks in advance > > simon > Article 25818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: my bees are raising queens cells like billyho Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:26:59 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8jmp13$u6c$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <08b3ac62.29487593@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-61.amitriptyline.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 962520931 30924 62.136.77.189 (2 Jul 2000 06:55:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2000 06:55:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25818 Tom It is clear from your posting that you need help. I suggest that you join your local association and/or read some basic beekeeping books - your could do worse than 'A Guide to Bees and Honey' by Ted Hooper or 'Practical Beekeeping' by Clive de Bruyn. Your bees were building queen cells because they wanted to swarm - which they eventually did despite your efforts. Now the parent colony (the one that produced the swarm, need to raise a new queen - and it sounds as though you are frustrating their efforts; no wonder they are bad tempered! You should have created an artificial swarm when they first started producing queen cells. Let me know where you are located if you need help in contacting your local association. "Tom" wrote in message news:08b3ac62.29487593@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com... > I have a slightly errant colony of bees, they are not > seriously bad tempered but you can't stay near them for too > long. they are producing queen cells ten or twelve per week. > > I have introduced an extra super into the brood chamber but > all they did was fill this with honey!! this colony swarmed > and I collected them for a fresh hive but the original > colony are still building queen cells. I don't like to keep > on with the hatchet approach but am a little stuck for > ideas any good suggestions will be appreciated > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 25819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2smart2late@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: For Sale Extractor Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 14:58:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <8jnlb9$rhe$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.29.69.99 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 02 14:58:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.29.69.99 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2smart2late Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25819 In article , "Mike Smith" wrote: > Sorry I should have put in that I live in Surrey U.K. > Mike > "Mike Smith" wrote in message > news:PKp75.796$7l6.96048@nnrp3.clara.net... > > Hello Everybody > > Due to upgrade I have a 3/6 Tangential Manual > > Stainless Steel Extractor for sale,£175 ono. > > > > Thanks > > Mike Smith > >How much in U.S. funds with shipping to N.W. Pennsylvania? > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: kudzu Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 2000 02:26:34 GMT References: <8jjd1s$l4e$1@bob.news.rcn.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000702222634.24090.00000170@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25820 >Does anyone happen to know if honey bees work kudzu flowers? > they'll work it if'n its bloomimg when thar haint nuthin else an make a good bit a honey outa it too, ifn ya got plenty a kud around. i sure would na suggest plantin no more fer em though !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 25821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A small smarm problem Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 2000 02:35:47 GMT References: <3958A584.D3E270F0@together.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000702223547.24090.00000173@ng-fv1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25821 > >I believe ammonia can be used to get rid of bee-go smell. Or is it vinegar? > > >M skunk mask's the smell pretty well !!!!!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Article 25822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!atlas.lcc.net!usenet From: "nomad" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Candy Recipe? Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:14:20 -0500 Organization: LCC Internet Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8jp7im$7u4@atlas.lcc.net> References: <8jjvk2$c4a@atlas.lcc.net> <395dd28d.41450359@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncgd-pri3-a3.txucom.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25822 wrote in message news:395dd28d.41450359@news1.radix.net... > On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:27:52 -0500, "nomad" wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me a good formula for making "bee candy" used for > >feeding bees and sealing queen cages? > > > > > > > It's powdered sugar and numoline. > > beekeep Ok...Whats numoline? And can you make your own bee candy with stuff from the supermarket....? Article 25823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Candy Recipe? Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 10:56:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3960711a.50499088@news1.radix.net> References: <8jjvk2$c4a@atlas.lcc.net> <395dd28d.41450359@news1.radix.net> <8jp7im$7u4@atlas.lcc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25823 On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 00:14:20 -0500, "nomad" wrote: > > wrote in message >news:395dd28d.41450359@news1.radix.net... >> On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 00:27:52 -0500, "nomad" wrote: >> >> > Can anyone tell me a good formula for making "bee candy" used for >> >feeding bees and sealing queen cages? >> > >> > >> > >> It's powdered sugar and numoline. >> >> beekeep > > > Ok...Whats numoline? And can you make your own bee candy with stuff from >the supermarket....? > Numoline is inverted sugar syrup used by bakeries. W. T. Kelley also sells it. beekeep > Article 25824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!mailer.york.ac.uk!prw3 From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question: on Brood & half method Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 19:08:23 +0100 Organization: The University of York, UK Lines: 39 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: References: <395389A3.BAC0CB27@york.ac.uk> <0gTcisAEd9W5EwYE@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mailer.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: pump1.york.ac.uk 962647706 22579 144.32.128.96 (3 Jul 2000 18:08:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@york.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 2000 18:08:26 GMT In-Reply-To: <0gTcisAEd9W5EwYE@kilty.demon.co.uk> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25824 Hi all, Thanks for the advice so far... I've had more correspondance over this brood and a half issue than anything else and am rapidly coming to the conclusion that its a double brood box for me. I was originally taught to use brood and a half so that is what I've done so far. I'm working away from home (& logging-on remotely) this week so I Hope that the hives will be o.k. I removed 19 queen cells from the hive that won't expand in the lower brood chamber. (I have now put the brood chamber on top of the super). And removed a wopping 33 queen cells from the more powerful hive. I guess the only answer is to put a brood box of foundation on when I return. I must confess that I would worry that putting another brood chamber on may mean that I don't get any honey this year, and with only two hives. Peter Edwards suggests that I make an artificial swarm: Sounds a good idea, I'll have to read this up when I get home. The only scary bit is that I've not done this before, and will it mean that again I'll loose all chance of a honey crop. And finally thanks once again for all the advice: James Kilty describes me as a minimalist beekeeper... This is probably true, only my second full year and still learning, Also beekeeping in the back garden I have to be careful not to go mad on the expansions. (Any pointers for directions to find out more about urban beekeeping would be welcomed). In addition, having a busy job certainly gets in the way! (Boo). Even so I must try and find an out apiary for next year, as these problems aside I've really got into beekeeping, I don't know what I'd do without the things flying around on a summers day.... Cheers, Paul. ___________________________________________________ Article 25825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redshift17@aol.com.UghSpam (Erica ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees attraction to light at night?? Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 2000 08:25:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000703042555.19265.00000602@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25825 This might sound like a moronic or weird question but... are bees attratced to light? Recently, a swarm of bees decided to take up residence in my front yard and every night, starting around 9pm, they decided to "attack" my front porch light.. they climb all over the bulb and, I suppose they are burned to death, because every day I find about 40 of them dead on my porch. I have two proch lights.. and I've never seen them touch the one that doesn't face their hive. Any reasons why? Erica redshift17@aol.com =============== remove .UghSpam to reply please. ;) ===== "I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either." ======== http://www.geocities.com/kittygemini =========== Article 25826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.can.connect.com.au!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000703042555.19265.00000602@ng-da1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bees attraction to light at night?? Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:20:09 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.13.186 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 962626700 210.215.13.186 (Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:20 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:20 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:18:20 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25826 Hi Absolutely no empirical research to support this but in my experience bees are disturbed by and attracted to most of the light spectrum bar red. I use a red filtered torch when shifting hives or swarm boxes at night and the bees don't take any notice of me, use a normal white light and watch out Barry Erica wrote in message news:20000703042555.19265.00000602@ng-da1.aol.com... > This might sound like a moronic or weird question but... are bees attratced to > light? Recently, a swarm of bees decided to take up residence in my front yard > and every night, starting around 9pm, they decided to "attack" my front porch > light.. they climb all over the bulb and, I suppose they are burned to death, > because every day I find about 40 of them dead on my porch. > > I have two proch lights.. and I've never seen them touch the one that doesn't > face their hive. Any reasons why? > > Erica > redshift17@aol.com > =============== remove .UghSpam to reply please. ;) ===== > "I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't > look good either." > ======== http://www.geocities.com/kittygemini =========== > > Article 25827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: leaving supers on all year Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 14:53:38 -0500 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.58 Message-ID: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 3 Jul 2000 15:47:00 -0400, 208.24.176.58 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.58 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25827 Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. I just extracted my last super this year I think and thanks to the help here I didn't break any wax this time. I have 4 hives and 3 of them have supers on them with various amounts of honey from empty frames to full frames not all capped. There has been no winter to speak of here in Alabama for the last two years and I have left the supers on the hives. I plan on adding apstan in early September. Thanks Larry Article 25828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "CharlesW" From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chilled Brood? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <4y785.94262$5k2.194956@dfw-read.news.verio.net> Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 16:21:28 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.240.33.63 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 962659584 205.240.33.63 (Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:26:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:26:24 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25828 2 days ago I pulled a beautiful frame of brood from a great hive for use in an observation hive. This is my first experience with an observation hive and my first experience with any problems with my bees. I took the frame and all the bees on it, and placed it in the observation hive. I had an old queen from a hive I just requeened that I was going to use. Unfortunately, she had been removed from her hive a day and a half before and died in her cage shortly after placing her in the observation hive. The frame of brood I used had some eggs in it so I decided to see if they would raise a new queen as I thought this would be wonderful to watch. Now (2 days later), the larva are dying and turning black. I'm wondering if this is a symptom of chilled brood? I brought the hive inside to an air conditioned house from 90+ degree weather outside. Is it possible that I didn't get enough workers in the hive to properly take care of the brood? Is it safe to return this frame to the original hive with brood dying? Does anybody have any good instructions on how to properly start a flourishing observation hive? Any and help would be appreciated... Article 25829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: CAIR Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What's happening in my hive? Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:01:22 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8jt25g$6em$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.d9.6f.9c X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 2000 16:08:16 GMT X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/4.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25829 Hello I went to my hive and found many bees, but few capped brood cells. In the past (I installed the package of bees in April), there was a lot of capped brood. Today, there were also three empty queen supercedure (sp?) cells on the side of one frame. The bees see hard at work, but I am disturbed that that most of the cells that previously held brood are empty. I also noticed what I considered to be many drones. I saw at least a half dozen at the entrance to the hive. Is this normal? Also, I have a comb honey super on the hive, but the bees do not seem to want to go through the queen excluder to start drawing comb. And finally, why do the bees swarm over the side of the hive when I am checking the frames? What is happening? Do I need to get another queen. (I have yet to see a queen, but that is because of my inexperience.) What kind of queen should I get? Please send a copy of posted advice directly to cair1@ix.netcom.com. Ibrahim in Virginia Article 25830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!192.148.253.68!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees attraction to light at night?? Date: 4 Jul 2000 12:25:53 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8jt36h$319$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <20000703042555.19265.00000602@ng-da1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25830 In article , Barry Metz wrote: >Hi > Absolutely no empirical research to support this but in my experience >bees are disturbed by and attracted to most of the light spectrum bar red. Check out _Honey Bee Biology_. citation at http://metalab.unc.edu/bees click on FAQs Or do a lit-search in agricola or biological abstracts for the keywords light and bees/hymenoptera Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:23:13 -0500 Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.93 Message-ID: <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 4 Jul 2000 13:16:43 -0400, 208.24.176.93 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.93 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25831 OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. Should I extract them? Larry "Chris Sauer" wrote in message news:sm3n0ftgop330@corp.supernews.com... > Not a good idea for several reasons. First, the queen will end up laying up > in the supers and when you want to use them next year they'll be filled with > brood. Even if you get them off after the brood hatches, they'll be very > attractive homes for wax moths in the future. Moths prefer the brood > casings and you'll avoid alot of wax moth damage by keeping your supers free > of them. > > Last, when you treat with chemicals this year, you'll contaminate your > supers. > > The best bet is to stack the supers and treat them for wax moths; supers > with drawn comb are your most important resource as a honey producer! > > chris > 85 hives in NE Iowa > www.greathoney.com > "Larry W" wrote in message > news:3960edb4_1@news.vic.com... > > Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. I just > > extracted my last super this year I think and thanks to the help here I > > didn't break any wax this time. I have 4 hives and 3 of them have supers > on > > them with various amounts of honey from empty frames to full frames not > all > > capped. There has been no winter to speak of here in Alabama for the last > > two years and I have left the supers on the hives. I plan on adding apstan > > in early September. > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > > > Article 25832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Message-ID: References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 55 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 13:37:36 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:34:01 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25832 I vote that you don't. In article <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com>, larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net says... > OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have > partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. > Should I extract them? > > Larry > > "Chris Sauer" wrote in message > news:sm3n0ftgop330@corp.supernews.com... > > Not a good idea for several reasons. First, the queen will end up laying > up > > in the supers and when you want to use them next year they'll be filled > with > > brood. Even if you get them off after the brood hatches, they'll be very > > attractive homes for wax moths in the future. Moths prefer the brood > > casings and you'll avoid alot of wax moth damage by keeping your supers > free > > of them. > > > > Last, when you treat with chemicals this year, you'll contaminate your > > supers. > > > > The best bet is to stack the supers and treat them for wax moths; supers > > with drawn comb are your most important resource as a honey producer! > > > > chris > > 85 hives in NE Iowa > > www.greathoney.com > > "Larry W" wrote in message > > news:3960edb4_1@news.vic.com... > > > Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. I just > > > extracted my last super this year I think and thanks to the help here I > > > didn't break any wax this time. I have 4 hives and 3 of them have supers > > on > > > them with various amounts of honey from empty frames to full frames not > > all > > > capped. There has been no winter to speak of here in Alabama for the > last > > > two years and I have left the supers on the hives. I plan on adding > apstan > > > in early September. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 25833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:47:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.235.50 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 962736435 168.191.235.50 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:47:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:47:15 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25833 I guess you could extract half of them and then feed it back to them in a feeder so they would finish the rest of the frames. Darrell Larry W wrote in message news:39621bfb_2@news.vic.com... > OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have > partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. > Should I extract them? > > Larry > > "Chris Sauer" wrote in message > news:sm3n0ftgop330@corp.supernews.com... > > Not a good idea for several reasons. First, the queen will end up laying > up > > in the supers and when you want to use them next year they'll be filled > with > > brood. Even if you get them off after the brood hatches, they'll be very > > attractive homes for wax moths in the future. Moths prefer the brood > > casings and you'll avoid alot of wax moth damage by keeping your supers > free > > of them. > > > > Last, when you treat with chemicals this year, you'll contaminate your > > supers. > > > > The best bet is to stack the supers and treat them for wax moths; supers > > with drawn comb are your most important resource as a honey producer! > > > > chris > > 85 hives in NE Iowa > > www.greathoney.com > > "Larry W" wrote in message > > news:3960edb4_1@news.vic.com... > > > Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. I just > > > extracted my last super this year I think and thanks to the help here I > > > didn't break any wax this time. I have 4 hives and 3 of them have supers > > on > > > them with various amounts of honey from empty frames to full frames not > > all > > > capped. There has been no winter to speak of here in Alabama for the > last > > > two years and I have left the supers on the hives. I plan on adding > apstan > > > in early September. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 25834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Darrell Gehlsen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey filter Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:50:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 168.191.235.50 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 962736615 168.191.235.50 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:50:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:50:15 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25834 What do you use to filter honey and how important is it to filter honey? Darrell Article 25835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey filter Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:49:41 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <39623FD5.3F282654@midwest.net> References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25835 Darrell Gehlsen wrote: > > What do you use to filter honey and how important is it to filter honey? > Darrell Depends on your customer. Are they the "all natural food" types, or super market types. All natural advocates will prefer unfiltered honey, super market types will want it crystal clear. If you are submitting it for county fair judging, go with crystal clear and use quality glass, not plastic, containers. To remove unsightly large objects, filter with a coarse screen. To produce crystal clear honey, filter *several* times with the leg/foot portion of panty hose. (Yeah Skip, I know...) AL Article 25836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bearing of extractor. Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:46:15 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 4 Message-ID: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-130-236.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 962739940 607 212.239.130.236 (4 Jul 2000 19:45:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 2000 19:45:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!golmote!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25836 Do you lubricate the lower bearing of an extractor, and if yes with what? Article 25837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "CharlesW" From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Honey filter Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:03:54 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.240.33.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 962741327 205.240.33.203 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:08:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:08:47 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25837 The best filter, and probably the cheapest, I have ever seen work well, believe it or not, is a "sausage" made of 7 layers of women's nylon stockings. The honey will need to be heated to 125 degrees (do not go higher and risk scorching!) and run through the nylons. Then let it sit until the cloudiness (small air bubbles) has gone and bottle it up. You could really get by with very little filtering. The biggest reason is for presentation when selling it. Most people expect clear honey. "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote in message news:Hlq85.29575$NP5.857961@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > What do you use to filter honey and how important is it to filter honey? > Darrell > > > Article 25838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <396249AD.32107575@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's happening in my hive? References: <8jt25g$6em$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 61 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:31:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 962742703 24.91.48.64 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:31:43 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:31:43 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25838 Disclaimer: this is my second year keeping bees. There are certainly more knowledgeable people on this list. CAIR wrote: > > Hello > > I went to my hive and found many bees, but few capped brood cells. In the past (I installed the > package of bees in April), there was a lot of capped brood. > > Today, there were also three empty queen supercedure (sp?) cells on the side of one frame. Ah-ha! It seems that your colony has superceded the queen. A little odd for a new package, but I've heard that it happens. > The bees see hard at work, but I am disturbed that that most of the cells that previously held brood > are empty. There is a period of time between when they kill the old queen and the new one starts laying - that leaves time for brood to hatch out but there's nothing to replace it. It'll take a couple weeks for your new queen to be mated and start laying. You should check back in 2 or 3 weeks and be sure that there is a laying queen. > I also noticed what I considered to be many drones. I saw at least a half dozen at the entrance to the > hive. Is this normal? Yes - if you need your new queen to mate, there needs to be plenty of drones. Just watch out that you start getting worker brood and don't have all drone brood. > Also, I have a comb honey super on the hive, but the bees do not seem to want to go through the > queen excluder to start drawing comb. A new package that has lost its queen doesn't have enough bees to do much with a super. But even if they did, they may not go through the excluder. Try rotating it 90 degrees (so the ends of the box is open to the ones below) to allow more bees to go through. > And finally, why do the bees swarm over the side of the hive when I am checking the frames? > What is happening? I don't know about that. > Do I need to get another queen. (I have yet to see a queen, but that is because of my inexperience.) > What kind of queen should I get? I'd wait a couple of weeks and check for a good laying queen. If you introduce a new queen when you have a virgin, the colony will kill your new one (I know, by expensive experience). -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39624AFE.96A242FE@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:37:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 962743039 24.91.48.64 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:37:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:37:19 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25839 Larry W wrote: > > OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have > partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. > Should I extract them? Extract the ones that are mostly capped, leave the rest on for the bees to finish (assuming you have more time this year for the bees to fill them up). If it's the end of the year, take the extracted ones, and the partially filled ones that you didn't extract, and put them in a super _above_ the inner cover and put the outer cover over it. The bees will clean out all of the honey from all of them and bring it down to store it. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:29:38 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-ID: <8jthkb$3n2$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> Reply-To: "Keith B. Forsyth" NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.226 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25840 You can use a food grade (approved) grease. Article 25841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Why@me.com (SomeOne) Subject: Re: Honey filter References: X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 35 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 20:48:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.163.162 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 962744009 38.27.163.162 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:53:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 16:53:29 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25841 In article , "Darrell Gehlsen" wrote: >What do you use to filter honey and how important is it to filter honey? >Darrell > I'm sure many others will check in but... I strain my honey through a nylon mesh. Nylon paint strainers work rather well. Then it is transferred to a settleing tank. There it sits for at least three days. We then bottle off the bottom. I suppose, if you don't mind skimming the stuff off the top, you could go straight from the extractor to the settling tank. Then after a couple of days skim the crud off the top. IMNSHO filtering is different from straining. Filtering entails a much finer mesh ( kinda like the coffee filter ) normally it is required to heat the honey and thenpump it through the filter. I started keeping bees to get away from my paying job. I was no big fan of honey because all I had ever had was what was on the store shelves..Karo Syrup tasted the same and was cheaper to boot.... Of course when handleing a frame of honey I stuck my finger in it and tasted the sticky substance. I remember thinking 'WHOA...this isn't what I've been buying! '. Part of that flavor is straining rather than filtering. To more directly answer your question... You may use the nylon paint strainer or a Stainless steel strainer available from many bee equipment suppliers. I have used both and they are fine. I prefer the paint strainers because I can put it in a 5 gal bucket ( with a gate at the bottom ) and extract into it. Set it aside and use a similar set up to keep going. If I use a SS strainer when it clogs I have to slow the flow down while it fills the bucket. Remember I still let it settle in a SS tank to allow any really small bits of wax and the air induced in the extracting process to rise to the top. Sorry for the huge message. Good luck to you! Article 25842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mbarton15653@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pollen in super? Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 09:04:08 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8js9a1$2ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.219.46.2 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 04 09:04:08 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.05 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 INET, 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.219.46.2 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmbarton15653 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25842 I started from a nuc a few months ago and everything to date seems fine, however, on inspection yesterday as well as finding the frames in the super being filled with honey and some just beginning to be capped off.........I also saw to my surprise some pollen being stored on a couple of frames. Is this normal in a super or are my bees trying to tell me something like they need more brood room? Thankyou for your help. Michael Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!199.45.45.9!cyclone2.ba-dsg.net!typhoon1.ba-dsg.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey From: mead-maker@NOHYPHENSbell-atlantic.net (Trask) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 27 Message-ID: <9ak85.176$EV6.33649@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 11:48:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.156.45.153 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@bellatlantic.net X-Trace: typhoon1.ba-dsg.net 962711301 141.156.45.153 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:48:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 07:48:21 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25843 >Since many of us in this NG could be classified as hobbyist 1 - 6 hives, >wondering what you do with your honey? I got about 6 gals off one hive >am fixing to get about 10 more gallons off my other 3. While I don't have my own hives I've been making friends with those that do ... I'm an amateur brewer (mostly mead, beer and few wines) In addition to the other replies, check out the following link to find a local brewing club - http://brewery.org/brewery/infobase/club/clublist.html You could make some of your own mead (honey based wine - check out gotmead.com) or offer it for sale to those that brew. We're always looking for good sources of honey and prefer to support those around us rather than some large conglomerate! Wassail, Chris --- Head brewer/bottle-washer at Hummingbird Cellars (1 sip will leave 'ya humming) What's Brewing? Cherry mead, Strawberry mead, Bavarian Wheat Beer, Braggot What's Aging? Apricot, Blackberry, Blueberry, Citrus-Ginger, Cyser, Methaglin, Peach, Plum, Pyment, Raspberry, Traditional, Vanilla, Framboise, Oatmeal Cream Stout Article 25844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 07:46:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25844 Not a good idea for several reasons. First, the queen will end up laying up in the supers and when you want to use them next year they'll be filled with brood. Even if you get them off after the brood hatches, they'll be very attractive homes for wax moths in the future. Moths prefer the brood casings and you'll avoid alot of wax moth damage by keeping your supers free of them. Last, when you treat with chemicals this year, you'll contaminate your supers. The best bet is to stack the supers and treat them for wax moths; supers with drawn comb are your most important resource as a honey producer! chris 85 hives in NE Iowa www.greathoney.com "Larry W" wrote in message news:3960edb4_1@news.vic.com... > Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. I just > extracted my last super this year I think and thanks to the help here I > didn't break any wax this time. I have 4 hives and 3 of them have supers on > them with various amounts of honey from empty frames to full frames not all > capped. There has been no winter to speak of here in Alabama for the last > two years and I have left the supers on the hives. I plan on adding apstan > in early September. > > Thanks > > Larry > > Article 25845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!news.he.net!feeder.via.net!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news-1.opaltelecom.net!not-for-mail From: "Rookie" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: absolute beginner Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:18:35 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.24.143.48 X-Trace: news-1.opaltelecom.net 962720343 62.24.143.48 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:19:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 14:19:03 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25845 I'm a complete beginner. I have a standard National broodbox with 11 frames of new foundation on it's stand with the roof on waiting for a swarm. Is it ok like that or will the foundation get too hot, invaded by unwanted organisms or anything else? What is my chance of getting a swarm and is it too late to think of starting this year? If I do get a swarm will they survive the winter? South England. Article 25846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!news-sto.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen in super? Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:37:10 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8jtld7$6hm$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <8js9a1$2ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-128-126.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 962746599 6710 212.239.128.126 (4 Jul 2000 21:36:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 2000 21:36:39 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25846 Yes some pollen in the supper is normal. Have a good harvest (of honey) mbarton15653@my-deja.com heeft geschreven in bericht <8js9a1$2ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >I started from a nuc a few months ago and everything to date seems fine, >however, on inspection yesterday as well as finding the frames in the >super being filled with honey and some just beginning to be capped >off.........I also saw to my surprise some pollen being stored on a >couple of frames. Is this normal in a super or are my bees trying to >tell me something like they need more brood room? >Thankyou for your help. >Michael > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 25847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: real beeswax comb Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:22:01 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20000629042336.01817.00000631@ng-fs1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962750384 nnrp-07:7406 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25847 In article <20000629042336.01817.00000631@ng-fs1.aol.com>, LKLarson1 writes >By the way, any educational suggestions for presentations to classrooms--ideas, >techniques, "catchy facts" you've used in your presentations to groups? The British Beekeepers Association has a publication called "Bees in the Curriculum" designed for under 11's. It is a hard ring file binder with source material for activities, notes, pictures, and so on. It has a list of good resources from booklets to videos. Try http//:www.bbka.demon.co.uk. If you have problems come back to me and I'll trace a supply person. -- James Kilty Article 25848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginners question: on Brood & half method Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:14:17 +0100 Message-ID: References: <395389A3.BAC0CB27@york.ac.uk> <0gTcisAEd9W5EwYE@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962750384 nnrp-07:7406 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 31 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25848 In article , Paul Waites writes >Peter Edwards suggests that I make an artificial swarm: Sounds a good >idea, I'll have to read this up when I get home. The only scary bit is >that I've not done this before, and will it mean that again I'll loose all >chance of a honey crop. It's far better than culling cells. You have a swarmy strain of bee. I'd aim to requeen next year somehow. They will get you more honey than if they swarm. One way to reduce the chances is to split the frames with queen cells into a top box (leaving one frame with the queen below - you can shake all the bees down into the original box and put the frames in one by one - let young bees go up to the brood and cut the top box off a few hours later - turn the whole thing round letting the flying bees go to the top box entrance now at the front of the hive. The old queen is below with a rear entrance. Cut queen cells down to one unsealed. Turn them back a week later and hopefully the swarming tendency is gone. Cut out all emergency cells and any you missed first time. The old queen will have marked time somewhat with few bees and start up again. You can use a Snelgrove board to let some of the bees back to the old queen or give some brood and bees back but you can easily trigger the swarming off again. Hopefully, they'll stay together in July and you'll have a new laying queen in August to replace the old one. She *may* be less swarmy. >And finally thanks once again for all the advice: James Kilty describes >me as a minimalist beekeeper... No - it was your advisor I thought might be from that school or his/her advisor and so on back to the one who started it all. I hope you can get something to work. -- James Kilty Article 25849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: absolute beginner Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:37:29 +0100 Message-ID: <2r2swhApcmY5Ew5q@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962750385 nnrp-07:7406 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25849 In article , Rookie writes >I'm a complete beginner. I have a standard National broodbox with 11 frames >of new foundation on it's stand with the roof on waiting for a swarm. Swarms would be possible if you had one old used drawn frame. > Is it >ok like that or will the foundation get too hot, invaded by unwanted >organisms or anything else? What is my chance of getting a swarm and is it >too late to think of starting this year? The chances are now low. Early May is the best time to put a bait hive out. > If I do get a swarm will they >survive the winter? South England. All swarms need feeding. They evolved in a non-agricultural environment and not all British summers and autumns provide enough forage to see a swarm to the stage they have enough comb and stores to survive a winter and poor spring. It is much better to purchase a nucleus from a local beekeeper or your local association which I advise you to join. -- James Kilty Article 25850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 23:38:43 +0100 Message-ID: <2LwsYkAzdmY5Ewbk@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962750387 nnrp-07:7406 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25850 In article <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com>, Larry W writes >Looking for pros and con for leaving a supers on a hive all year. Lots of locals here in West Cornwall leave supers on all through the winter. They say it cuts down wax moth problems as it's either too cool for them or the bees deal with them. They repair when they can and they are there if they need to move honey up to give the queen space to lay. They are there when needed. But it might be easier to remove the ones you want to renew in the autumn. Of course you must keep the queen excluder on. Even then, you can sometimes get the queen go up and then you do have problems getting her back - especially if you use drone foundation in the supers!!!!! -- James Kilty Article 25851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bebs63@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bees! (wild) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:48:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8jtpk4$ces$1@nnrp2.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: iw8.deja.com X-Trace: nnrp2.deja.com 962750916 12764 10.12.1.135 (4 Jul 2000 22:48:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@deja.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 2000 22:48:36 GMT X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 04 22:10:37 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: HTTP/1.1 ts-cluster-B[C0A81F08] (Traffic-Server/3.0.6 [uSc s f p eN:tUc i p s ]), 1.1 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 193.113.185.168 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25851 Yesterday (nice and sunny) I came across a mass of bees (about 2 feet square) on the ground beneath a tree near my house. They looked pretty healthy (to my very untrained eye). Today, very wet and a bit cooler, the whole mass is either dead or just a few individuals still moving. This is in the middle of farmland, but we use no pesticides. Any ideas what might have happened? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bebs63@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead wild bees Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:56:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8jtq2o$3md$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.113.185.169 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 04 22:56:29 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: HTTP/1.1 ts-cluster-B[C0A81F09] (Traffic-Server/3.0.6 [uScMs f p eN:t cCMi p s ]), 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 193.113.185.169 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbebs63 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25852 Yesterday I found a swarm of wild honey bees on the track at my farm. They were crawling around, and some were flying, (but not far). It rained today and this evening when I checked they were all dead (or dying). Does anyone know what might have happened to them all? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!nnrp2.deja.com!not-for-mail From: melissabee23@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee art at burningman Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:32:23 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8jtvmq$evi$1@nnrp2.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: iw8.deja.com X-Trace: nnrp2.deja.com 962757146 15346 10.12.1.135 (5 Jul 2000 00:32:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@deja.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2000 00:32:26 GMT X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 05 00:06:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; MSN 2.5; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x75.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.15.2.72 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25853 worker bees unite! hey, here is a happening to pass on to all bee loving folks out there. this year for the burningman event i am building an art installation entitled temple of the bee/shrine to the forgotten pollinators. i am building a huge bee out of natural materials. as an end of the event, the art installation will be burned. i am looking for fellow bee enthusiasts to help with the constuction and burning performance. for the performance, i am looking for people in their beekeeping gear or dressed as bees. contact melissa at melissawh23@yahoo.com if you want to join me. more info about the burningman event can be found at www.burningman.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Light, Heat and Location Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 00:42:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 68 Message-ID: <8ju096$7qd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8i8r9r$g45$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000619130221.17724.00000154@ng-fj1.aol.com> <8ip7un$8pt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 05 00:42:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x68.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25854 Hi Mike in VT, To winter in New England (Portsmouth, NH) how many brood chambers should I have for winter (I have been reading both 2 and 3 and not sure which)? Thanks Ron In article <8ip7un$8pt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kamtout@together.net wrote: > Question, When you place Tarpaper in order to help keep hive warm > during cold > > weather and what would happen if the bee fly out from the hive and end > up hit a > > cold snap in the air? > > Tim > > > Tim, > Normally bees don't fly about looking for honey until the temp is 51 or > higher. But since they've been cooped up they will make short little > runs for a 100 feet or so in quite cold weather since they need to > defecate somewhere. If they hit a cold snap they fly back. Every winter > during one of these cleansing flights its not unheard of to see bees > dead all over but the numbers are usually only a few hundred. And this > is with quite a few hives about. They'll definitely die or get deathly > ill if it's so cold they can't leave the hive for 2 months, but that > would be due to nosema. The tarpaper doesn't keep the hive warm. It does > two things. #1 It provides a protection against wind. #2 it warms the > hive to temperatures that allow the bees in the dead of a winter to > slightly break cluster enough to let them move to another honey frame. > Is it absolutely necessary? NO. This gets into a philosophical approach > for some. I have freinds that never wrap theirs and others with HUNDREDS > of hives and they feel the insurance of wrapping pays. It's time > consuming more than expensive. One roll ($10.00) does about 20 hives. > But in areas further north in Canada, wintering bees is a bit more > serious. They experience colder temps (i.e. -30 to 40- below zero) on a > regular basis and some move their hive to wintering chambers where the > wind and cold are not as extreme. I've even seen arguments for killing > bees each year and taking the winter stores as honey in these cold > areas as it's economically better. go figure. > Others up here move their bees to Carolinas where they can winter them > over on only one deep super and take the other as extracted honey > because the winters are easier there. > Back to your original question, bees die when they fly in winter but > it's not like the whole hive gets flying at once and instantly turns to > crystal and drops in the field eh? Only a small bunch die in those > flights. > > -- > Mike in VT > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Critters in my hives! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 01:27:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 962760473 24.112.111.157 (Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:27:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:27:53 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25855 I have 3 hives, all started from 4 frame nucs. With the crappy weather we have had lately, I didn't know what to expect when I inspected them today. Well one hive was going great guns, even making comb and storing honey above the inner cover. Another was doing well, having drawn comb out on all the frames. The 3rd was not doing as well but appeared to be healthy. Anyway...My question is to do with invasive insects getting into the hives. On #2 hive, I found webbing and a coccoon above the inner cover. On #3 hive there were several Earwigs on top of the inner cover. Should I have any concerns regarding these other bugs? Thanks, Glen Archer, first year keeper in Ontario, Canada. Article 25856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 01:47:07 GMT References: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000704214707.04116.00000496@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25856 > On #2 hive, I found webbing and a coccoon above the >inner cover. On #3 hive there were several Earwigs on top of the inner >cover. Should I have any concerns regarding these other bugs? Since your hive are weak right now, I would clean out the webbing and coccoon right of way. On your new nuc. you need to put a stick at the enter door and leave about 1" open that way the Guard bee can cover the most area. Later when hive is getting strong and have many Guard bee, You can remove the stick. Somebody in here may explain better then me. Article 25857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee art at burningman Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 01:50:56 GMT References: <8jtvmq$evi$1@nnrp2.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000704215056.04116.00000497@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25857 >i am looking for fellow bee enthusiasts >to help with the constuction and burning >performance. for the performance, i am looking >for people in their beekeeping gear or dressed as >bees. contact melissa at melissawh23@yahoo.com if >you want to join me Sorry Melissa, I'm too busy eating my Honey! Article 25858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What's happening in my hive? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 02:05:25 GMT References: <396249AD.32107575@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000704220525.04116.00000502@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25858 >> And finally, why do the bees swarm over the side of the hive when I am >checking the frames? >> What is happening? > I saw that happen one time. I pull that frame with most bees on it and found new Queen cell. If I were you, I did wait two or three week like Steve said. Tim Article 25859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 02:25:15 GMT References: <20000704214707.04116.00000496@ng-fe1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000704222515.02727.00000006@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25859 I usually knock the spiders off the covers and dump the ants and earwigs off too. Weak colonies get wax moths so watch for them. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 02:26:07 GMT References: <8jthkb$3n2$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000704222607.02727.00000007@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25860 Would beeswax work? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: help on using this site Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 2000 04:48:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000705004812.09535.00000442@ng-ck1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25861 I posted a message asking for advice on beekeeping presentations and got the first piece of advice fine (it was terrific) and before I read the second reply, I got interrupted by 4th of July fireworks. I got signed off. When I came back to this site--my original question was no longer there and the second reply (which I hadn't read) was gone. Is there any way retriving the question and the replies? Article 25862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000705004812.09535.00000442@ng-ck1.aol.com> Subject: Re: help on using this site Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:20:04 -0500 Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.93 Message-ID: <3962c407_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 5 Jul 2000 01:13:43 -0400, 208.24.176.93 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.93 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25862 try to do a find from your email reader, looking for the subject. If not kill the NG and reload it. Larry "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000705004812.09535.00000442@ng-ck1.aol.com... > I posted a message asking for advice on beekeeping presentations and got the > first piece of advice fine (it was terrific) and before I read the second > reply, I got interrupted by 4th of July fireworks. I got signed off. > > When I came back to this site--my original question was no longer there and the > second reply (which I hadn't read) was gone. Is there any way retriving the > question and the replies? > > Article 25863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:50:04 -0400 Organization: IT Dept, Lambton College Lines: 23 Message-ID: <39632EFC.2EAAD6C9@lambton.on.ca> References: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25863 Glen & Zoe wrote: > I have 3 hives, all started from 4 frame nucs. With the crappy weather > we have had lately, I didn't know what to expect when I inspected them > today. Well one hive was going great guns, even making comb and storing > honey above the inner cover. Another was doing well, having drawn comb > out on all the frames. The 3rd was not doing as well but appeared to be > healthy. Anyway...My question is to do with invasive insects getting > into the hives. On #2 hive, I found webbing and a coccoon above the > inner cover. On #3 hive there were several Earwigs on top of the inner > cover. Should I have any concerns regarding these other bugs? Thanks, > Glen Archer, first year keeper in Ontario, Canada. I too find a few spiders and lots of earwigs each time I open up the hive. Always between th top of the inner cover and the lid.. I usually try to kill as many of them as I can, but I haven't been too worried about them since they dont appear to be inside the hive. Which part of Ontario are you from? My hives are located about 40km west of London, Ontario. Article 25864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39634F5C.9C7C73B5@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help on using this site References: <20000705004812.09535.00000442@ng-ck1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:08:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 962809692 24.91.48.64 (Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:08:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 11:08:12 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25864 You can look for it at www.deja.com/usenet - they keep archives of many newsgroups. -Steve LKLarson1 wrote: > > I posted a message asking for advice on beekeeping presentations and got the > first piece of advice fine (it was terrific) and before I read the second > reply, I got interrupted by 4th of July fireworks. I got signed off. > > When I came back to this site--my original question was no longer there and the > second reply (which I hadn't read) was gone. Is there any way retriving the > question and the replies? > > -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39635449.705405CF@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! References: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> <39632EFC.2EAAD6C9@lambton.on.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:27:04 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 962810824 24.112.111.157 (Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:27:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 08:27:04 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25865 Mark, I am in Guelph. It seems that the insects are not a real problem, I was just worried that perhaps there was an underlying reason for them being present (too humid, not enough ventilation etc.) I feel better hearing from everyone here. Thanks, Glen. Mark Veltman wrote: > > Glen & Zoe wrote: > > > I have 3 hives, all started from 4 frame nucs. With the crappy weather > > we have had lately, I didn't know what to expect when I inspected them > > today. Well one hive was going great guns, even making comb and storing > > honey above the inner cover. Another was doing well, having drawn comb > > out on all the frames. The 3rd was not doing as well but appeared to be > > healthy. Anyway...My question is to do with invasive insects getting > > into the hives. On #2 hive, I found webbing and a coccoon above the > > inner cover. On #3 hive there were several Earwigs on top of the inner > > cover. Should I have any concerns regarding these other bugs? Thanks, > > Glen Archer, first year keeper in Ontario, Canada. > > I too find a few spiders and lots of earwigs each time I open up the hive. > Always between th top of the inner cover and the lid.. I usually try to > kill as many of them as I can, but I haven't been too worried about them > since they dont appear to be inside the hive. Which part of Ontario are > you from? My hives are located about 40km west of London, Ontario. Article 25866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 09:06:27 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 2 Message-ID: <396340E3.C23BF323@okstate.edu> References: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76e3.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25866 I heard that you should use honey. Article 25867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Package Hive Swarmed - Now What? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3963727F.89FFC231@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:38:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 36 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25867 Group, I have had a package hive, installed April 8, swarm on me last week. It had built up to two full deeps and I put another deep on with some undrawn duraguilt foundation that I had purchased used from an individual and had been stored in a barn for about 5 years. I left the thing on the hive for a month and the bees never drew it out - not a single cell. I must have left it on for too long because 3 weeks ago I started finding swarm cells. I cut out the cells and reversed bodies and then made up some comb foundation and put it on two weeks ago. When I inspected the hive over last weekend I found the hive with a lot fewer bees and a lot of chewed comb foundation in that week old super. Lots of capped and emerging brood but no eggs or larva. They had drawn the comb foundation a little but I think the weather is too hot for thin comb foundation - a lot of warping. My other two hives are drawing it out like mad though as we are in the midst of what I think to be a alfalfa flow. I think the queen finally gave up on me and left. My question is: Do I purchase another queen and kill the virgin queen or do I let the hive be bees? I am worried that a virgin queen may take too long to get mated and start laying eggs. I doubt I will get much honey off this hive this year but I worry now if they will be able to build up and store enough honey to get them through the winter. They do have two deeps fully drawn and lots of stores but not enough for winter I don't think. I am located in S. Central Kansas. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "Daniel W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast bees (which race)? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:58:03 +0200 Organization: CEE Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8k00da$vbi$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <3950D469.CD2EC696@okstate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: idialup150.brussels2.eunet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 962823402 32114 193.121.143.150 (5 Jul 2000 18:56:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2000 18:56:42 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25868 Hi Gary, The buckfast is a breeding between apis mellifera mellifera (male) and apis ligustica (Italian bee)(female) (F1 level). this first breeding took place in 1917. However, in 1930, a second breeding took place with a french apis mellifera mellifera and males Buckfast F1 to produce F2 generation. In 1952, new breeding between buckfast F2 and apis mellifera cecropia (Greek bee) to reduce the aggressiveness( F3 generation). In 1960 new breeding to produce F4, between buckfast F3 and apis mellifera anatolia (Turkish bee). Actually, buckfast bees are from this F4 breeding. Try this link on brother Adam. http://www.fundp.ac.be/~jvandyck/homage.html Articles and bibliographies are well presented. Best regards Daniel http://apibel.ibelgique.com (in french actually, english under construction) Gary Johns a écrit dans le message : 3950D469.CD2EC696@okstate.edu... > What race are Buckfast bees considered to be from originally? Apis > Mellifera ??? > Article 25869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.48.40.11!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:22:29 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <39638AF5.91D3EA8F@bms.com> References: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@hunter.syr.pgr.bms.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25869 Use a food grade grease. Its the same that they use for large blenders and mixers. Should be able to buy it in a restaurant supply store. "hans.wartena" wrote: > Do you lubricate the lower bearing of an extractor, and if yes with what? Article 25870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed4.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.bms.com!not-for-mail From: Jesse Hunter Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help on using this site Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:26:39 -0400 Organization: Bristol-Myers Squibb Company Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39638BEF.535981D6@bms.com> References: <20000705004812.09535.00000442@ng-ck1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-BMY (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Cache-Post-Path: newsreader-hpw1.net.bms.com!unknown@hunter.syr.pgr.bms.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25870 Goto deja.com they have archieves of all newsgroup messages. You can search by topic. Good luck LKLarson1 wrote: > I posted a message asking for advice on beekeeping presentations and got the > first piece of advice fine (it was terrific) and before I read the second > reply, I got interrupted by 4th of July fireworks. I got signed off. > > When I came back to this site--my original question was no longer there and the > second reply (which I hadn't read) was gone. Is there any way retriving the > question and the replies? > > Article 25871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: absolute beginner Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:39:43 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8k06di$g18$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-77.deagol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 962829554 16424 62.136.152.205 (5 Jul 2000 20:39:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2000 20:39:14 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25871 Too late for prime swarms but there are still cast about - I have picked up three this week. However, they will be small, will need constant feeding to build them up for the winter and will probably not be from very good stock - colonies that throw casts this late are generally from 'swarmy' bees. There is an old saying which ends ' a swarm in July- let the b*****s fly'. On the plus side, a cast now will have a young queen and may build into a good colony for the spring. You can always requeen it next year. "Rookie" wrote in message news:rnm85.91$53.6919@news-1.opaltelecom.net... > I'm a complete beginner. I have a standard National broodbox with 11 frames > of new foundation on it's stand with the roof on waiting for a swarm. Is it > ok like that or will the foundation get too hot, invaded by unwanted > organisms or anything else? What is my chance of getting a swarm and is it > too late to think of starting this year? If I do get a swarm will they > survive the winter? South England. > > > > Article 25872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pollen in super? Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:45:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8k06nl$g78$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8js9a1$2ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-77.deagol.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 962829877 16616 62.136.152.205 (5 Jul 2000 20:44:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2000 20:44:37 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25872 If the brood box had foundation and the super was drawn comb then you will get pollen in the super - nowhere else for the bees to put it! This will happen if you make an artificial swarm using a brood box full of foundation and put the supers on top. wrote in message news:8js9a1$2ah$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > I started from a nuc a few months ago and everything to date seems fine, > however, on inspection yesterday as well as finding the frames in the > super being filled with honey and some just beginning to be capped > off.........I also saw to my surprise some pollen being stored on a > couple of frames. Is this normal in a super or are my bees trying to > tell me something like they need more brood room? > Thankyou for your help. > Michael > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees! (wild) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:34:25 +0100 Message-ID: <82Q+XEAxf7Y5EwI4@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: <8jtpk4$ces$1@nnrp2.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962836780 nnrp-07:22096 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25873 In article <8jtpk4$ces$1@nnrp2.deja.com>, bebs63@my-deja.com writes >Yesterday (nice and sunny) I came across a mass >of bees (about 2 feet square) on the ground >beneath a tree near my house. They looked pretty >healthy (to my very untrained eye). Today, very >wet and a bit cooler, the whole mass is either >dead or just a few individuals still moving. This >is in the middle of farmland, but we use no >pesticides. Any ideas what might have happened? I had a student lose a swarm whilst on holiday and found a pile of dead bees under a bush nearby. The weather had not been good and the swarm must have hung and hung and hung using their stores up and eventually starving to death. They would then lose their grip and fall. They would be at similar stages of starvation since they share their food. So they would all die together. One solution if you find this again (unlikely) is to spray them lightly with sugar syrup and put a hive next to them to crawl into. -- James Kilty Article 25874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:37:47 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20000704214707.04116.00000496@ng-fe1.aol.com> <20000704222515.02727.00000006@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 962836781 nnrp-07:22096 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 9 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25874 In article <20000704222515.02727.00000006@ng-cd1.aol.com>, BeeCrofter writes >I usually knock the spiders off the covers and dump the ants and earwigs off >too. Yes to losing ants, earwigs, snails and so on, but spiders help with the wax moth and take few bees as payment. -- James Kilty Article 25875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:17:07 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <39642463.9C6E68F2@kingston.net> References: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25875 Well, if it's a sealed bearing then no. But if not then use a food grade grease as suggested. If the extractor was purchased from a manufacture then there might be recommendations for preventative maintenance. When I built mine I used a sealed bearing for the top of the spindle but I used a teflon bushing for the bottom. Since it is honey I'm curious if the lower bearing isn't sealed. Kent Stienburg Article 25876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 02:37:06 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39642912.ED7048C5@kingston.net> References: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25876 Well, the first thing Glen is put a super on the one hive if they are making comb above the inner cover. You might want to think about putting some screen across the opening in the inner covers. I'm in Kingston Ontario and the weather has been very wet here also. As long as the bugs are outside of the hive then I wouldn't get to worried yet. I occasionally find earwigs and ants on the top of the inner cover. I knock them off and kill them. It has not become a real problem as there is no place for them to get into the hive unless they use the front door. If they really bother you then put some thin sponge weather stripping alone the top edge of the inner cover and the lid should seal tight. I'm about 1.5 supers/hive behind last year. But the sun has shone here for 4 days straight and it's warmed up to summer like temps, so the sweet clover is out. Good luck. Kent Stienburg Article 25877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!NewsWatcher!user From: c@usit.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: mad bees Message-ID: Lines: 26 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 07:24:42 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.155.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 962886137 216.80.155.178 (Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:22:17 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:22:17 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25877 Greetings I am a first year bee keeper, and started two hives this spring. One hive is still small and seems weak but the bees are friendly and non aggressive. On the other hand the other hive is strong appears healthy has drawn out almost all frames in the brood box, but they are pissed off every time I as much as remove the top cover of the hive. I feel like I jumped out into the middle of a gang of Crips and announced that I am a Blood..... Why are these so aggressive? All of the bees came from the same place at the same time. I realize that they are protecting their hive but this seems a little much. I have been a round other Italian bees that I did not even wear and gloves or head cover. Do I need to re Queen? These are Italian bees and Queens. Thanks Charles Article 25878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <396495CA.63E87E7E@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Critters in my hives! References: <39628F96.5E36B4C4@home.com> <39642912.ED7048C5@kingston.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:18:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 962893125 24.112.111.157 (Thu, 06 Jul 2000 07:18:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 07:18:45 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25878 I put supers on 2 of the three hives, and will monitor the third one. I had enlarged the entrances 2 weeks ago, and have totally removed the reducers now. I hope this warm and sunny weather continues, all the bees are flying like crazy now. Thanks for the input, Glen Archer. kent stienburg wrote: > > Well, the first thing Glen is put a super on the one hive if they are > making comb above the inner cover. You might want to think about > putting some screen across the opening in the inner covers. I'm in > Kingston Ontario and the weather has been very wet here also. As long as > the bugs are outside of the hive then I wouldn't get to worried yet. I > occasionally find earwigs and ants on the top of the inner cover. I > knock them off and kill them. It has not become a real problem as there > is no place for them to get into the hive unless they use the front > door. If they really bother you then put some thin sponge weather > stripping alone the top edge of the inner cover and the lid should seal > tight. I'm about 1.5 supers/hive behind last year. But the sun has > shone here for 4 days straight and it's warmed up to summer like temps, > so the sweet clover is out. Good luck. > > Kent Stienburg Article 25879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!cyclone-west.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!news-east.rr.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3964CEB2.A41183C5@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mad bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:23:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 962907827 24.91.48.64 (Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:23:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:23:47 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25879 C wrote: > > Greetings > > I am a first year bee keeper, and started two hives this spring. > > One hive is still small and seems weak but the bees are friendly and non > aggressive. On the other hand the other hive is strong appears healthy has > drawn out almost all frames in the brood box, but they are pissed off > every time I as much as remove the top cover of the hive. Were they always this way? Or did they suddenly start? Check to see if there is another explanation for them being mean - do they have mites? Are skunks bothering them every night? Is there a good, laying queen there? I had one hive which superceded its queen this past spring - they were a mean bunch too while there was a virgin queen. As soon as the queen was mated and got down to business, the hive turned gentle again. If they were always mean, and your queen is healthy (good brood pattern) and you have no other explanation, you could try to requeen. But be sure there's no virgin queen in there, or they'll kill any queen you try to give them. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject given) Message-ID: <20000706.140132.179177.NETNEWS@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU> From: "Winfield S. Morgan" Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:00:05 -0400 Lines: 0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.71.4.157 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!alpha.wvnet.edu!wvnvms!wvnvm!u1a00850 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25880 Article 25881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bearing of extractor. Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:45:37 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 409 Message-ID: <8k2k33$us6$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <8jtet4$iv$1@news.planetinternet.be> <39642463.9C6E68F2@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-128-83.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 962909091 31622 212.239.128.83 (6 Jul 2000 18:44:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 2000 18:44:51 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25881 Thank you Kent. The bearing is rather standard, at least here in and around Belgium. Here a sketch Hans. kent stienburg heeft geschreven in bericht <39642463.9C6E68F2@kingston.net>... >Well, if it's a sealed bearing then no. But if not then use a food >grade grease as suggested. 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Scheidler" Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mad bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:32:32 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 962904876 147.226.103.42 (Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:34:36 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 12:34:36 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25882 C wrote: > > Greetings > > I am a first year bee keeper, and started two hives this spring. > > One hive is still small and seems weak but the bees are friendly and non > aggressive. On the other hand the other hive is strong appears healthy has > drawn out almost all frames in the brood box, but they are pissed off > every time I as much as remove the top cover of the hive. > > I feel like I jumped out into the middle of a gang of Crips and announced > that I am a Blood..... > > Why are these so aggressive? > > All of the bees came from the same place at the same time. > > I realize that they are protecting their hive but this seems a little > much. I have been a round other Italian bees that I did not even wear and > gloves or head cover. > > Do I need to re Queen? > These are Italian bees and Queens. > > Thanks > > Charles Charles: Your mean colony likely has the "mean gene" present which comes from your queen. I had one like this a few years ago and requeening solved the meaness problem. I would suggest you take a look at the broom and see if you have eggs and brood and that they look normal. Article 25883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news2.rdc1.on.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3964CF70.46591FF@home.com> From: Glen & Zoe <6archers@home.com> Organization: @Home Network Member X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-AtHome0405 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mad bees References: <3964C2B0.4679@wp.bsu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=x-user-defined Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 18:24:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.112.111.157 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news2.rdc1.on.home.com 962907883 24.112.111.157 (Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:24:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:24:43 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25883 Make sure there are no other problems like skunks or other animals bothering the hive. Mine are fine if the weather is good, but are grumpy as hell on overcast or rainy days. I would make sure you check all the potential problems before requeening. It would be a real annoyance to discover that the problem still remains. My opinion anyway. Regards, Glen Archer. "Dale A. Scheidler" wrote: > > C wrote: > > > > Greetings > > > > I am a first year bee keeper, and started two hives this spring. > > > > One hive is still small and seems weak but the bees are friendly and non > > aggressive. On the other hand the other hive is strong appears healthy has > > drawn out almost all frames in the brood box, but they are pissed off > > every time I as much as remove the top cover of the hive. > > > > I feel like I jumped out into the middle of a gang of Crips and announced > > that I am a Blood..... > > > > Why are these so aggressive? > > > > All of the bees came from the same place at the same time. > > > > I realize that they are protecting their hive but this seems a little > > much. I have been a round other Italian bees that I did not even wear and > > gloves or head cover. > > > > Do I need to re Queen? > > These are Italian bees and Queens. > > > > Thanks > > > > Charles > Charles: > > Your mean colony likely has the "mean gene" present which comes from > your queen. I had one like this a few years ago and requeening solved > the meaness problem. I would suggest you take a look at the broom and > see if you have eggs and brood and that they look normal. Article 25884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Magic Kent" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping articles wanted please .... Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 21:05:13 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8k2rl5$h55$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-240.ekkaia.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 962916837 17573 62.136.177.240 (6 Jul 2000 20:53:57 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 2000 20:53:57 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25884 andover2000.net is a non-profit making hobbies website. We try to include as wide a range of subjects as is possible and it was suggested that we include bee keeping while UK still has some !. Our bee population got hit by a mite apparently and is / was in dire straits. I am sorry we cannot pay for articles, but we would be very grateful for anything that you can offer including photographs. Full credits will be given for all material published. Thank you very much. Article 25885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wskriba@aol.com (WSkriba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foundation support pins Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 2000 22:45:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000706184506.01510.00003772@ng-md1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25885 A question for the masses: Does anyone use the foundation support pins sold by Dadant as opposed to wiring their frames? Looks pretty convienent, but was thinking like any modern convienences there has to be some trade-off. Bill Article 25886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!mercury.cts.com!thoth.cts.com!not-for-mail From: "Dave" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Hive Swarmed - Now What? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 16:20:46 -0700 Organization: CTSnet Internet Services Lines: 46 Message-ID: <8k347s$q9i$1@thoth.cts.com> References: <3963727F.89FFC231@nospam.boeing.com> X-Trace: thoth.cts.com 962925628 26930 204.216.255.93 (6 Jul 2000 23:20:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@cts.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25886 I had a similar issue with my packaged hive superceding the old queen. The new queen is doing fantistic. Many new eggs and lots of brood. Some may disagree, but if you have a lot of bees in the area, I feel they can take care of there own problems assuming they have eggs to work with. dave Billy Y. Smart II wrote in message <3963727F.89FFC231@nospam.boeing.com>... >Group, > >I have had a package hive, installed April 8, swarm on me last week. It >had built up to two full deeps and I put another deep on with some >undrawn duraguilt foundation that I had purchased used from an >individual and had been stored in a barn for about 5 years. I left the >thing on the hive for a month and the bees never drew it out - not a >single cell. I must have left it on for too long because 3 weeks ago I >started finding swarm cells. I cut out the cells and reversed bodies and >then made up some comb foundation and put it on two weeks ago. When I >inspected the hive over last weekend I found the hive with a lot fewer >bees and a lot of chewed comb foundation in that week old super. Lots of >capped and emerging brood but no eggs or larva. They had drawn the comb >foundation a little but I think the weather is too hot for thin comb >foundation - a lot of warping. My other two hives are drawing it out >like mad though as we are in the midst of what I think to be a alfalfa >flow. I think the queen finally gave up on me and left. > >My question is: Do I purchase another queen and kill the virgin queen or >do I let the hive be bees? I am worried that a virgin queen may take too >long to get mated and start laying eggs. I doubt I will get much honey >off this hive this year but I worry now if they will be able to build up >and store enough honey to get them through the winter. They do have two >deeps fully drawn and lots of stores but not enough for winter I don't >think. > >I am located in S. Central Kansas. > >-- >Billy Y. Smart II >/* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ >/* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ >/* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ > > > Article 25887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!xmission!nnrp.xmission!not-for-mail From: D.F.S. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Plastic Frames? Date: 7 Jul 2000 00:17:37 GMT Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 101 Message-ID: <8k37j1$ah4$1@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Trace: news.xmission.com 962929057 10788 198.60.22.20 (7 Jul 2000 00:17:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 2000 00:17:37 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970327; sun4m SunOS 5.7] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25887 I'm the guy with the swarm recovered from the porch column. The took to the new hive OK. I threaded wire along the outside edges of new, empty frames and filled about 6 with comb from the hive in the column. The queen died in the process, I found her a few days later drown in honey. June 17th I added a new queen. 2 days ago, 18 days later, I opened up the hive for a look. They had extended the transplanted comb to the edges of the frames, but it is a bit uneven. I left a frame out to allow space to hang the queen cage. They built a comb hanging down from cover which filled the space I left, and had it about 1/2 full of honey. There is a fair amount of capped brood, but a relatively small number of larva? This is relative to the percentages I saw in the original hive as to the ratio of newer/older brood. The queen was not marked. There was no brood at all when I added her. I think most of the young larva died in the process of relocation. I didn't see any large cells at any time, and presume they couldn't raise a new queen. IF I can find new eggs, can I presume the queen, if I can locate her is the new one I bought? Should I be able to mark her? What kind of paint should I use? Is this done when she is cages seperately? If I do it now, would the attendants simply remove, smear, get stuck and kill everyone concerned, whatever... I had one box, one frame was undrawn alltogether. there was probably another 2 frames of unused or partialy drawn comb in addition to the 3/4 of a frame worth of new comb I previously mentioned. Did they simply get overcrowded and would the queen stop laying if that was the case? they were spread out somewhat, but I probably had 2 frames full of capped brood. What limits the population in a healthy hive? I bought a new box and an excluder. I bought foundation with all the frames I bought to begin with. It is duraguilt? plastic sheet with embossed wax cells in a sheet that fits into the frames. I have 6 unused sheets. I would like to move the bees out of the old comb and replace it with the new foundation. I presume I can move those frames a few at a time into the upper box above the excluder, let the brood emerge, let them fill the cells with honey, melt it down, and install the new foundation in the frames. due to uneven surface, I'm afraid I'll kill too many bees or the queen moving frames around as they stick out too far in spots. Any problems with this approach? I was afraid I was running short on space, and bought 10 frames of a solid plastic design. He was out of absolutely everything else. How do the bees take to them? Any pointers? Would I be better off using them for supers or brood frames? The bees appear to be very active, and busy. watching them enter the hive, many appear to have have "Fat" squirrel type cheeks. I don't know exactly if it an illusion, my imagination, or a true observation, but has anyone else seen this. Cheeks are not a storage area for bees is it? I'm afraid this is an indication of mites? Marc Article 25888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 2000 02:02:54 GMT References: <39624AFE.96A242FE@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000706220254.26388.00000775@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25888 > >If it's the end of the year, take the extracted ones, and the partially >filled ones that you didn't extract, and put them in a super _above_ the >inner cover and put the outer cover over it. The bees will clean out all >of the honey from all of them and bring it down to store it. > Right, or you could take an uncap comb put in Refrigerator to keep it from sour. Article 25889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Package Hive Swarmed - Now What? Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 09:26:04 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <396496FC.7F79CC9F@okstate.edu> References: <3963727F.89FFC231@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76e3.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25889 Billy, First, I would feed the bees you've got left until Winter. Either way you decide (requeen or not) they'll still need food. With two drawn brood supers you should be able to save them. Second, don't plan on getting any honey from them this year. Make it your goal of getting them through the winter. Then if you have a good spring next year you'll probably get some honey. Remember they still have to draw out foundation on their honey supers and feeding them sugar syrup next spring will only help them to do this. Good Luck! Gary J. Article 25890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> <39624AFE.96A242FE@riverace.com> Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 11:52:26 -0500 Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.55 Message-ID: <39660969_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 7 Jul 2000 12:46:33 -0400, 208.24.176.55 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.55 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25890 If I put it in a super ABOVE the inner cover and below the outer cover how can the bees get to it. I suppose your inner covers have a hole in them? Larry "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:39624AFE.96A242FE@riverace.com... > Larry W wrote: > > > > OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have > > partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. > > Should I extract them? > > Extract the ones that are mostly capped, leave the rest on for the bees > to finish (assuming you have more time this year for the bees to fill > them up). > > If it's the end of the year, take the extracted ones, and the partially > filled ones that you didn't extract, and put them in a super _above_ the > inner cover and put the outer cover over it. The bees will clean out all > of the honey from all of them and bring it down to store it. > > -Steve > > -- > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39660D0E.FDD@wp.bsu.edu> From: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Flow Beginning in Indiana? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:02:06 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 962989452 147.226.103.42 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:04:12 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:04:12 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25891 Fellow Beekeepers: I think that the second honey flow is just beginning here in Indiana. We had a nice flow from latter April to May 25. After May 25 NO surplus honey was made in my apiary. My observation hive is indicating that the bees are now making surplus honey. The flow last season began about this time and lasted until late July. Best regards, Dale Article 25892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!news.kpnbelgium.be!planetinternet.be!not-for-mail From: "hans.wartena" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Plastic Frames? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:11:58 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet NV Lines: 131 Message-ID: <8k5kiu$dti$1@news.planetinternet.be> References: <8k37j1$ah4$1@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: u212-239-130-159.dialup.planetinternet.be X-Trace: news.planetinternet.be 963007902 14258 212.239.130.159 (7 Jul 2000 22:11:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planetinternet.be NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 2000 22:11:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25892 That is a long story. I will try to give some comments: D.F.S. heeft geschreven in bericht <8k37j1$ah4$1@news.xmission.com>... >I'm the guy with the swarm recovered from the porch column. > >The took to the new hive OK. > >I threaded wire along the outside edges of new, empty frames and >filled about 6 with comb from the hive in the column. > >The queen died in the process, I found her a few days later >drown in honey. > >June 17th I added a new queen. >2 days ago, 18 days later, I opened up the hive for a look. > >They had extended the transplanted comb to the edges of the frames, >but it is a bit uneven. > >I left a frame out to allow space to hang the queen cage. >They built a comb hanging down from cover which filled the space >I left, and had it about 1/2 full of honey. It is normal that bees build in the gap under the queen cage. Better take it out as soon as Possible. > >There is a fair amount of capped brood, but a relatively small number >of larva? >This is relative to the percentages I saw in the original hive >as to the ratio of newer/older brood. Expect about 2 times more closed than open brood, as it is only open for 6 days and closed for 12. > >The queen was not marked. >There was no brood at all when I added her. >I think most of the young larva died in the process of relocation. >I didn't see any large cells at any time, and presume they couldn't >raise a new queen. > >IF I can find new eggs, can I presume the queen, if I can locate her >is the new one I bought? Yes > >Should I be able to mark her? Yes > >What kind of paint should I use? The simplest is to use white corrector, the stuff to cover wrong characters using a typewriter. Or use a kind of large felt pen, available in 5 colours. And of course there are these tiny opatit disks with numbers on. > >Is this done when she is cages seperately? If I do it now, would the >attendants simply remove, smear, get stuck and kill everyone concerned, >whatever... > > >I had one box, one frame was undrawn alltogether. >there was probably another 2 frames of unused or partialy drawn >comb in addition to the 3/4 of a frame worth of new comb I previously >mentioned. > With a secure hand it can be done on the comb. I prefer to take her indoors, close the windows, so she can’t fly away. Let the paint dry for a minute or 2. Many put here back in a cage, but I think, since the whole procedure takes less than 15 minutes, it is save to set here back, eventually sprayed with e drop of honey. Never lost a queen by doing so, toy toy. >Did they simply get overcrowded and would the queen stop laying if >that was the case? No >they were spread out somewhat, but I probably had 2 frames full of capped >brood. > >What limits the population in a healthy hive? > >I bought a new box and an excluder. > >I bought foundation with all the frames I bought to begin with. >It is duraguilt? plastic sheet with embossed wax cells in a sheet that >fits into the frames. > >I have 6 unused sheets. > >I would like to move the bees out of the old comb and replace it with the >new foundation. > >I presume I can move those frames a few at a time into the upper box above >the excluder, let the brood emerge, let them fill the cells with honey, >melt it down, and install the new foundation in the frames. > >due to uneven surface, I'm afraid I'll kill too many bees or the queen moving >frames around as they stick out too far in spots. > >Any problems with this approach? > >I was afraid I was running short on space, and bought 10 frames of a solid >plastic design. >He was out of absolutely everything else. > >How do the bees take to them? > >Any pointers? > >Would I be better off using them for supers or brood frames? > > >The bees appear to be very active, and busy. > >watching them enter the hive, many appear to have have "Fat" squirrel >type cheeks. > >I don't know exactly if it an illusion, my imagination, or a true >observation, but has anyone else seen this. > Must be an illusion. >Cheeks are not a storage area for bees is it? No > >I'm afraid this is an indication of mites? No mites, booth varoa and acariapis, look verry different > > >Marc > Article 25893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> <39624AFE.96A242FE@riverace.com> <39660969_2@news.vic.com> <39662F72.C3ECCFD@riverace.com> Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:40:48 -0500 Lines: 61 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.55 Message-ID: <39665b25_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 7 Jul 2000 18:35:17 -0400, 208.24.176.55 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.55 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25893 OK I built my own and I didn't add holes. After reading this thread I was going to take the 4 supers that I have and put a queen excluder between the brood box on my 2 strongest hives and put 2 supers on each. However with your Idea it will add more stores to each hive. Thanks to all Larry "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:39662F72.C3ECCFD@riverace.com... > Yes - my inner covers have an elongated hole. Not the migratory kind. > > -Steve > > Larry W wrote: > > > > If I put it in a super ABOVE the inner cover and below the outer cover how > > can the bees get to it. I suppose your inner covers have a hole in them? > > > > Larry > > > > "Steve Huston" wrote in message > > news:39624AFE.96A242FE@riverace.com... > > > Larry W wrote: > > > > > > > > OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have > > > > partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. > > > > Should I extract them? > > > > > > Extract the ones that are mostly capped, leave the rest on for the bees > > > to finish (assuming you have more time this year for the bees to fill > > > them up). > > > > > > If it's the end of the year, take the extracted ones, and the partially > > > filled ones that you didn't extract, and put them in a super _above_ the > > > inner cover and put the outer cover over it. The bees will clean out all > > > of the honey from all of them and bring it down to store it. > > > > > > -Steve > > > > > > -- > > > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > > > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > > > ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > > > Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html > > -- > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Biased Media Coverage Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:04:45 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.13.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 963039834 210.215.13.178 (Sat, 08 Jul 2000 17:03:54 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 17:03:54 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 17:03:54 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25894 Hi Can someone help me? Our Local paper has printed an article claiming that Cephalicia tannourinensis is a cousin of the Bee, they allude that the Bee is the honeybee but make no particular statement. Cephalicia tannourinensis is some sort of parasitic insect which is causing some considerable harm to the Cedar trees of Lebanon. I am becoming annoyed with that anti apiarist media slant in our local area and would like to get some facts on the Cephalicia tannourinensis and it's relationship (if any) to Apis Melifera. Thanks -- Barry Metz Article 25895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Charles W." From: "Charles W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8k37j1$ah4$1@news.xmission.com> Subject: Re: Plastic Frames? Lines: 65 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:03:12 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.184.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 962978598 204.96.184.188 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:03:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:03:18 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25895 D.F.S. wrote in message news:8k37j1$ah4$1@news.xmission.com... > I'm the guy with the swarm recovered from the porch column. > > > IF I can find new eggs, can I presume the queen, if I can locate her > is the new one I bought? Probably safe to assume that, yes. > Should I be able to mark her? If you can locate and catch her (be carefull in handling) you can mark her. > What kind of paint should I use? Testors Model paint ... light blue for year 2000 queens. > Is this done when she is cages seperately? If I do it now, would the > attendants simply remove, smear, get stuck and kill everyone concerned, > whatever... If she is still in the cage with attendants and you are ready to put her in the hive, normally you would take the attendants out of the cage before placing her in the hive. Take them out, mark the queen, put the queen back in by herself and then place the cage in the hive for the bees to release her. > What limits the population in a healthy hive? I'd say the biggest limits are space, queen's abilities and available food supply. > I presume I can move those frames a few at a time into the upper box above > the excluder, let the brood emerge, let them fill the cells with honey, > melt it down, and install the new foundation in the frames. > > due to uneven surface, I'm afraid I'll kill too many bees or the queen moving > frames around as they stick out too far in spots. > > Any problems with this approach? Sounds pretty reasonable to me... > Cheeks are not a storage area for bees is it? No, honey is stored (carried) in a special "stomach" in their abdomin. > I'm afraid this is an indication of mites? Don't think so. Adult mites can most commonly be found riding on the backs of their thorax section. While you can learn a lot using this newsgroup as a resource, I would strongly suggest that you get a book or two on bees and read up. All the above are common topics in most books. Personally, when I started into bees, I read probably no less than 12 books, and I continue to read and learn. Have fun ... Article 25896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Foundation support pins X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3965E9DD.F1AFFE00@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <20000706184506.01510.00003772@ng-md1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:31:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 21 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25896 WSkriba wrote: > A question for the masses: Does anyone use the foundation support pins sold by > Dadant as opposed to wiring their frames? Looks pretty convienent, but was > thinking like any modern convienences there has to be some trade-off. > > Bill I'm a newbe this year and I used support pins on my brood frames instead of wiring on my 3 package colonies. I'd estimate 20% of my drawn brood frames are bowed - even with the pins. It has been pretty hot here in Kansas over the last month or so though. I plan to wire all my brood frames from now on. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Thomas S. Allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8i8r9r$g45$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000619130221.17724.00000154@ng-fj1.aol.com> <8ip7un$8pt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8ju096$7qd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Light, Heat and Location Lines: 86 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:58:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.150.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 963057496 24.218.150.158 (Sat, 08 Jul 2000 07:58:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 07:58:16 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25897 Ron, Saw your post on the newsgroup. I've kept one colony here in southern NH (Fremont and Exeter) for about 5 years. I've had 2 deeps and recently 3. I've wrapped the hive, though not with tar paper, and I've left it uncovered. Now I think it's most important to keep the hive out of the prevailing winds, in the sun and ventilated. There are a lot of factors that contribute to successful wintering over. A big one is the strength of the colony going into the winter. BTW - great picture of the bur comb and inner cover in your other post. Tom wrote in message news:8ju096$7qd$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hi Mike in VT, > > To winter in New England (Portsmouth, NH) how many brood chambers > should I have for winter (I have been reading both 2 and 3 and not sure > which)? > > Thanks > > Ron > > In article <8ip7un$8pt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > kamtout@together.net wrote: > > Question, When you place Tarpaper in order to help keep hive warm > > during cold > > > weather and what would happen if the bee fly out from the hive and > end > > up hit a > > > cold snap in the air? > > > Tim > > > > > Tim, > > Normally bees don't fly about looking for honey until the temp is 51 > or > > higher. But since they've been cooped up they will make short little > > runs for a 100 feet or so in quite cold weather since they need to > > defecate somewhere. If they hit a cold snap they fly back. Every > winter > > during one of these cleansing flights its not unheard of to see bees > > dead all over but the numbers are usually only a few hundred. And this > > is with quite a few hives about. They'll definitely die or get deathly > > ill if it's so cold they can't leave the hive for 2 months, but that > > would be due to nosema. The tarpaper doesn't keep the hive warm. It > does > > two things. #1 It provides a protection against wind. #2 it warms the > > hive to temperatures that allow the bees in the dead of a winter to > > slightly break cluster enough to let them move to another honey frame. > > Is it absolutely necessary? NO. This gets into a philosophical > approach > > for some. I have freinds that never wrap theirs and others with > HUNDREDS > > of hives and they feel the insurance of wrapping pays. It's time > > consuming more than expensive. One roll ($10.00) does about 20 hives. > > But in areas further north in Canada, wintering bees is a bit more > > serious. They experience colder temps (i.e. -30 to 40- below zero) on > a > > regular basis and some move their hive to wintering chambers where the > > wind and cold are not as extreme. I've even seen arguments for killing > > bees each year and taking the winter stores as honey in these cold > > areas as it's economically better. go figure. > > Others up here move their bees to Carolinas where they can winter them > > over on only one deep super and take the other as extracted honey > > because the winters are easier there. > > Back to your original question, bees die when they fly in winter but > > it's not like the whole hive gets flying at once and instantly turns > to > > crystal and drops in the field eh? Only a small bunch die in those > > flights. > > > > -- > > Mike in VT > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:11:43 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.13.178 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 963061834 210.215.13.178 (Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:10:34 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:10:34 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:10:34 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25898 I'm really very sorry that you believe this. I tend to think that News Journalists have a Moral and Ethical responsibility to report the News, NOT to slant it to their own Bias or Agenda C wrote in message news:c-0807000526050001@dialup53.tnnas2.usit.net... > Barry > > Please you must understand that the news media does not have to tell the > truth, but only something that will sell news. > > C. > > > > In article , "Barry Metz" > wrote: > > > Hi > > Can someone help me? > > Our Local paper has printed an article claiming that Cephalicia > > tannourinensis is a cousin of the Bee, they allude that the Bee is the > > honeybee but make no particular statement. Cephalicia tannourinensis is > > some sort of parasitic insect which is causing some considerable harm to the > > Cedar trees of Lebanon. I am becoming annoyed with that anti apiarist media > > slant in our local area and would like to get some facts on the Cephalicia > > tannourinensis and it's relationship (if any) to Apis Melifera. > > Thanks > > > > -- > > Barry Metz Article 25899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Why@me.com (SomeOne) Subject: Re: Bee-go References: <8k6jdv$7o2$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <0UK95.6$Hg4.721@jump.innerx.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 18:56:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.127.149 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 963082876 38.12.127.149 (Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:01:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 15:01:16 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25899 In article <8k6jdv$7o2$1@neptunium.btinternet.com>, "Peter Bennell" wrote: >I have seen some references to this. Can anyone tell me what it is and >where to get some? > >Thanks Bee-Go is butyric anhydride. Basically it is labratory stink...and it lives up to it's name.:) You can get it from any of the bee catalogs if you can't get it at your regular dealer. Bee-Go and Honey Robber are the same chemical except Honey Robber adds a bit of a cherry smell added to it to make it nicer for humans. Article 25900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.nntp.airnews.net.MISMATCH!cabal10.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal14.airnews.net!news.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Jim Sharp" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AFB in my Apiary?? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 16:03:07 -0500 Organization: The Internet Connection - ticnet.com (using Airnews.net!) Lines: 34 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <8k85ct$j1q@library2.airnews.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at ticnet.com to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Jul 8 16:10:53 2000 NNTP-Posting-Host: !_bX84F\KIcdX!6 (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25900 I'm a pretty new beekeeper (2nd year). This year I bought 2 established hives from a retiring beekeeper. One was light when I got it and it just didn't build up. Upon a recent inspection and armed with some knowledge from James Tew's article in the July 2000 "Bee Culture" - I strongly suspect a bad case of AFT in the weak hive and probably some in the second bought hive. I didn't see any symptoms in the 2 hives started from packages, but I'm real nervous as I used 1 comb for each package from the diseased hive to 'help' the packages. Now what to do...? There are still quite a few bees in the bad hive. I'm thinking of shaking them into a package or onto foundation (& feeding) as Mr. Tew did in the article. Then I guess burning the equipment, but I've read something about boiling lye water can clean the woodenware? The stronger hive that has some light symptoms, I'm just not sure what to do about them? As I'm writing this, I should've done a more thorough inspection. The hive was pretty strong early, but it could probably be stronger than it is now. I'm just sick about this, I put 2 supers on the weak hive early just to clean up and then put one each on the packages as they got stronger than the diseased hive. What to do now?? Jim TX USA Article 25901 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!denrosa.demon.co.uk!murray From: Murray McGregor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Are my hives diseased?? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:52:44 +0100 Organization: Denrosa Ltd Distribution: world Message-ID: <2lL3BHAcS5Z5EwAf@denrosa.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 963089816 nnrp-07:4998 NO-IDENT denrosa.demon.co.uk:194.222.100.90 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 19 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25901 >> Any and all advice would be greatly appreciated. >> >> >> Norman Patterson >> >> npatt@snet.net >> > > Add to the other points. Has it got enough, or even any, food? Suppressed brood rearing can have several causes and lack of nutrition is one of the main ones. Thus it MAY need feeding. Nectar dearths are common, even when you least expect them. -- Murray McGregor Article 25902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!NewsWatcher!user From: c@usit.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Message-ID: References: Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:04:06 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.155.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 963100922 216.80.155.224 (Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:02:02 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:02:02 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25902 Agenda You must not have to deal with them on a daily basis. Just for instance have you ever been interviewed on TV or Radio? The interview may take ten to fifteen minutes but there is only a twenty to thirty seconds of the interview aired. Of this time on the air the questions that you are asked and the answers that you give are not always left together. I have had one question asked and another answer used for the question aired. I do not give interviews nor do I make statements. If you do not say anything they cannot change what you have said..... I will say that not all reporters are bad, only the ones that want the story no matter what the cost to the public to make their station or publication get better ratings. Ratings is what it is all about...... In article , "Barry Metz" wrote: > I'm really very sorry that you believe this. > I tend to think that News Journalists have a Moral and Ethical > responsibility to report the News, NOT to slant it to their own Bias or > Agenda > C wrote in message > news:c-0807000526050001@dialup53.tnnas2.usit.net... > > Barry > > > > Please you must understand that the news media does not have to tell the > > truth, but only something that will sell news. > > > > C. > > > > Article 25903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39677B06.2427F072@crosslink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 19:03:35 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 6 full supers evaporated Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn44.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 963096778 25382 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25903 Greetings, Can someone help me sort out what happened, I will try to make it short. This has been an excellent year in this area,( 50 miles south of Washington D.C. in Va.).Plenty of rain, warm temps, everything was as good as it gets,BUT I did a little experimentation, I'll explain!! I have 6 hives of Buckfast bees,normally I do all the swarm prevention thatmost people do and alittle more with good results (only 1 hive swarmed this year). After swarm season is over I have a year to think of something new to try to help reduce swarming. Last year it was "waiting 2 weeks after putting on supers to add queen excluders"( making sure the queen has not moved up). the reason for this is in the past I have noticed that if the workers are reluctant to move up through the excluder,they soon get crowded and swarm. The idea is to let them move freely into the supers and become complacent, then add the restriction of the excluder. Well all this worked well this year as with last year, the new thing I tried this year was( new to me ) not to add queen excluder, just supers. So 5 hives had excluders 1 did not. This hive was to say the least prolific. 6 supers of capped and uncapped honey amonth ago.NOW the problems start!!! The honey flow was over the last time I checked there were 4 capped supers 2 uncapped, approx...At that time I noticed a small patch (palm sized) of worker and drone brood on one of the uncapped frames, and thought that was going to be it.Over the past couple of weeks I noticed a reduction of workers bearding on the outside of hive, so it was time for inspection. Well to my surprise when I opened the hive to see masses of drones and drone comb,AND almost all the honey capped and uncapped GONE!!! This was my most populated hive so robbing is not a consideration. The only thing I can think of is the mass of Drones ate it. From 6 supers to 3, the rest was full of drones.Maybe the queen failed or was superseded anyway I could not find my marked queen ( or any queen that day) but there is normal amounts of worker brood, so there is a queen there. Another thing not right here, for being such a prolific queen and such a high pop. of workers, and such a good honeyflow this year, the stores in the brood chambers are also gone, nothing... Can anyone shed some light on what may have happened, I am not disturbed by this but I consider this another learning experience.. Thanks L.E.G. Article 25904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!zur.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: How do I recycle Black Perco? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3965EE9A.8EF9176@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:52:11 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 20 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25904 Group, Remember me? I'm the poster who reported lots of burr comb being built on some black perco frames that I had used in a bait hive. Anyway, I am in the process of slowly working those braced combs out of the hive. I'm not ready to give up on those frames though. Eventually I'm going to have the bees clean the combs out, scrape the combs off the frames and I want to recycle the frames and try it again. How do I do this? Can I melt the wax and spray in on the plasic with a sprayer? Is there a better way? -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-0775.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 21:37:32 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-0775.nts-online.net (216.167.135.139) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 963110248 2126331 216.167.135.139 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25905 Barry Metz apparently from Australia believes: >I tend to think that News Journalists have a Moral and Ethical >responsibility to report the News, NOT to slant it to their own Bias or >Agenda Maybe in Australia, but according to John Pilger, a journalist with those qualities you think Journalist have elsewhere, he has as low a regard for Australian journalism as he does for American journalism. It all has something to do with who 'owns' the news services, and money. Moral and Ethical?... Name three corporate owned newspaper or television 'journalist' with these qualities, working today. Charlie Kroeger Article 25906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." Subject: Extracting Honey Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:20:03 -0700 Lines: 23 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust54.tnt24.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.28.67.54 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa09 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25906 Hi, I was wondering if anyone can offer advice for extracting honey, without purchasing one of the (very expensive) extractors. I would like to find a way to get the honey off the frame without completely destroying the comb, so the bees have to start from scratch rebuilding the comb too (if this is possible). I tried scraping the caps off, and then laying the frame on a cookie sheet in a very barely warm oven, but the whole comb fell off the foundation (plastic foundation). I've only kept bees for three years, mostly for pollination, but would like to get a little honey. The extractors I've seen are just so expensive! Thanks for any advice. Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. Article 25907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!east3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 35 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 21:39:38 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:36:07 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25907 There are plastic, hand-crank, two-frame extractors which work pretty well for a small-scale beekeeper. Moi, I first had a beekeeper friend extract my frames, then I went to the two-frame extractor and I finally settled on top bar hives down. In article , johnniki#nospamplease@email.msn.com says... > Hi, > I was wondering if anyone can offer advice for extracting honey, without > purchasing one of the (very expensive) extractors. I would like to find a way > to get the honey off the frame without completely destroying the comb, so the > bees have to start from scratch rebuilding the comb too (if this is possible). > I tried scraping the caps off, and then laying the frame on a cookie sheet in > a very barely warm oven, but the whole comb fell off the foundation (plastic > foundation). I've only kept bees for three years, mostly for pollination, but > would like to get a little honey. The extractors I've seen are just so > expensive! Thanks for any advice. > > Niki > > -- > > > J & N F. > > Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; > Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > > > Article 25908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 6 full supers evaporated Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:02:13 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3967EB35.2F7DFB18@kingston.net> References: <39677B06.2427F072@crosslink.net> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25908 Well I'll take a stab :-) You mentioned that when you inspected the nest you found no stores and capped brood. Did you see any eggs? Did you look for queen cells? I don't use a queen excluder and I have had little bit of brood up in the first super, mostly worker though. I'd be hesitant to suggest that drones ate almost 3 boxes of honey. How many frames of brood was there? I have had some very large colonies consume alot of the surplus in a dearth. Can't say it was that much though. I guess (and this is a guess) I would think either one of 2 things from your info. 1. You've had a swarm. Or 2 the flow stopped a while back and you're very large colony ate some of your surplus. Think I might lean towards #2. Kent Article 25909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 2000 03:31:45 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000708233145.17761.00002058@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25909 >I was wondering if anyone can offer advice for extracting honey, without >purchasing one of the (very expensive) extractors. Find a local beekeeper who does custom extracting. Decide beforehand who keeps the cappings. Rates run 5-10 cents per pound, depending on whether you help, the size of the job, etc. I wouldn't set up a honey processing situation unless I had 50 or more hives. I have taken loads (more than I should have put on a pickup) of full supers, and picked back up my empty supers and honey buckets the next day. The hand crank extractors are just playthings that will wear you out. Try doing it in the kitchen and you'll wind up divorced.... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25910 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB in my Apiary?? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:10:54 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25910 have another experienced beekeeper or your state inspector check it out to confirm afb... also recommend visit this site: http://www.nba.org.nz/pms/manual/ for the excellent resource "Pest Management Strategy - Elimination of American Foulbrood Without the Use of Drugs A Practical Manual for Beekeepers" from the National Beekeepers' Assn. of New Zealand Article 25911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!nsw.nnrp.telstra.net!news.interact.net.au!not-for-mail From: "Barry Metz" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 13:12:16 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.215.13.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@asiaonline.net X-Trace: news.interact.net.au 963112246 210.215.13.185 (Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:10:46 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:10:46 EST Organization: an Asia Online client - http://www.asiaonline.net/ X-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 13:10:46 EST (news.interact.net.au) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25911 The problem with the media today is that we permit them to make, slant and subvert news to their own or their employers agenda. I don't think that I live in a 'fool's paradise' as some seem to think. I feel that this and similar misreporting must be criticised and challenged wherever possible Charlie Kroeger wrote in message news:qpofmskhqgsoha7r0514puiflatnjq7av0@4ax.com... > Barry Metz apparently from Australia believes: > > >I tend to think that News Journalists have a Moral and Ethical > >responsibility to report the News, NOT to slant it to their own Bias or > >Agenda > > Maybe in Australia, but according to John Pilger, a journalist with those > qualities you think Journalist have elsewhere, he has as low a regard for > Australian journalism as he does for American journalism. It all has > something to do with who 'owns' the news services, and money. Moral and > Ethical?... Name three corporate owned newspaper or television 'journalist' > with these qualities, working today. > > Charlie Kroeger Article 25912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!feed.nntp.primus.ca!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone going to EAS? Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:28:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3968538d.83333692@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25912 It's been three years since I've been. Being that it is in my home state I decided to go. Anyone else? Greg the beekeep Article 25913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mad bees Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 2000 13:31:54 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000709093154.04648.00002635@ng-fj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25913 > >I did have really mean bees this year and requeen with a Russian as a Few question about Russian Queen, It is possible Rearing a Russian Queen on your own after she laying an eggs? Does she have to be with an Russian Drones? I was thinking of raise a pure Russian Queen and place her in Italian hive. My bees are friendy and calm. I don't think it would be wise to do so? Tim Article 25914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: "TJ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarms Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 22:39:29 -0500 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8k67f4$253$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp144.viagrafix.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25914 A neighbor about 2 1/2 miles from me came and told me there was a swarm in his birdhouse and wanted to know it I wanted it. I caught the swarm without any problems. Let the hive set there for a couple of days. He called me and said there was another swarm a lot smaller than the first back at the birdhouse. Does anyone think this is the part of the same swarm or a different swarm? Article 25915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-go Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 2000 13:02:49 GMT References: <0UK95.6$Hg4.721@jump.innerx.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000709090249.04648.00002633@ng-fj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25915 > You can get it from any of the bee catalogs if you can't get it at your >regular dealer. Bee-Go and Honey Robber are the same chemical except Honey >Robber adds a bit of a cherry smell added to it to make it nicer for humans. > > I think they call it liquid Smoke too. They works. I remove super with full of honey and took another lid with a filter cloth( after spray Bee-go on it) on the inside and lay it up aging the super, Lord behold, The bees jump out other side like craze and fast as it can be.They really hate that smell. Spray it at the shop before you take it at the site that way you won't spill any inside your hive. Brushy Mountain have it for $9.25 per pint. Article 25916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Thomas S. Allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Lines: 77 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:43:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.150.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 963153806 24.218.150.158 (Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:43:26 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 10:43:26 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25916 I have seen plans for building your own. Here's one http://www.dansgardenshop.com/gardenshop/builyourownh.html I was fortunate to get a stainless two frame hand cranked one from a retiring beekeeper at a very low price. Perfect for my one colony. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "J & N F." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 9:20 PM Subject: Extracting Honey > Hi, > I was wondering if anyone can offer advice for extracting honey, without > purchasing one of the (very expensive) extractors. I would like to find a way > to get the honey off the frame without completely destroying the comb, so the > bees have to start from scratch rebuilding the comb too (if this is possible). > I tried scraping the caps off, and then laying the frame on a cookie sheet in > a very barely warm oven, but the whole comb fell off the foundation (plastic > foundation). I've only kept bees for three years, mostly for pollination, but > would like to get a little honey. The extractors I've seen are just so > expensive! Thanks for any advice. > > Niki > > -- > > > J & N F. > > Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; > Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > > "J & N F." wrote in message news:eYmvSPU6$GA.292@cpmsnbbsa09... > Hi, > I was wondering if anyone can offer advice for extracting honey, without > purchasing one of the (very expensive) extractors. I would like to find a way > to get the honey off the frame without completely destroying the comb, so the > bees have to start from scratch rebuilding the comb too (if this is possible). > I tried scraping the caps off, and then laying the frame on a cookie sheet in > a very barely warm oven, but the whole comb fell off the foundation (plastic > foundation). I've only kept bees for three years, mostly for pollination, but > would like to get a little honey. The extractors I've seen are just so > expensive! Thanks for any advice. > > Niki > > -- > > > J & N F. > > Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; > Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > > Article 25917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39686158.53B04320@crosslink.net> Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 11:26:16 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 6 full supers evaporated References: <39677B06.2427F072@crosslink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn58.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 963155739 26272 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25917 Yes there were normal amounts of eggs and capped brood. This was a very very populated hive, more than I have ever seen in one hive before. This queen is (or was) a prolific layer. I am going to check again soon to see if I can find her (or her daughter) in a couple of days, and I will let you know what happens.Oh by the way I did not see any fully constructed queen cells. Only what looked like starters (or maybe they had been used and were being deconstructed) Thanks all L.E.G. "L.E.G." wrote: > Greetings, > Can someone help me sort out what happened, I will try to make it short. > > This has been an excellent year in this area,( 50 miles south of > Washington D.C. in Va.).Plenty of rain, warm temps, everything was as > good as it gets,BUT I did a little > experimentation, I'll explain!! > I have 6 hives of Buckfast bees,normally I do all the swarm prevention > thatmost people do and alittle more with good results (only 1 hive > swarmed this year). > After swarm season is over I have a year to think of something new to > try to help > reduce swarming. Last year it was "waiting 2 weeks after putting on > supers to add > queen excluders"( making sure the queen has not moved up). the reason > for this is > in the past I have noticed that if the workers are reluctant to move up > through the excluder,they soon get crowded and swarm. The idea is to let > them move freely > into the supers and become complacent, then add the restriction of the > excluder. > Well all this worked well this year as with last year, the new thing I > tried this year > was( new to me ) not to add queen excluder, just supers. So 5 hives had > excluders 1 did not. This hive was to say the least prolific. 6 supers > of capped and uncapped honey amonth ago.NOW the problems start!!! The > honey flow was over the last time I checked there were 4 capped supers 2 > uncapped, approx...At that time I noticed a small patch (palm sized) of > worker and drone brood on one of the uncapped frames, and thought that > was going to be it.Over the past couple of weeks I noticed a reduction > of workers bearding on the outside of hive, so it was time for > inspection. Well to my surprise when I opened the hive to see masses of > drones and drone comb,AND almost all the honey capped and uncapped > GONE!!! This was my most populated hive so robbing is not a > consideration. The only thing I can think of is the mass of Drones ate > it. From 6 supers to 3, the rest was full of drones.Maybe the queen > failed or was superseded anyway I could not find my marked queen ( or > any queen that day) but there is normal amounts of worker brood, so > there is a queen there. Another thing not right here, for being such a > prolific queen and such a high pop. of workers, and such a good > honeyflow this year, the stores in the brood chambers are also gone, > nothing... > Can anyone shed some light on what may have happened, I am not disturbed > by this but I consider this another learning experience.. > Thanks > L.E.G. 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Visit us now! http://members.xoom.com/kabluk/search.htm To get a copy of this posting software go to http://defisof.bizland.com/ mhtipuqljfo atbqtuhjklhcx Article 25919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!128.174.5.49!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3966080F.1A7@wp.bsu.edu> From: "Dale A. Scheidler" Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I recycle Black Perco? References: <3965EE9A.8EF9176@nospam.boeing.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:40:47 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 962988173 147.226.103.42 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:42:53 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:42:53 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25919 Billy Y. Smart II wrote: > > Group, > > Remember me? I'm the poster who reported lots of burr comb being built > on some black perco frames that I had used in a bait hive. Anyway, I am > in the process of slowly working those braced combs out of the hive. I'm > not ready to give up on those frames though. Eventually I'm going to > have the bees clean the combs out, scrape the combs off the frames and I > want to recycle the frames and try it again. > > How do I do this? Can I melt the wax and spray in on the plasic with a > sprayer? Is there a better way? > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Billy: I have heard that you can brush melted beeswax on with a brush. To me this seems like it would work. Article 25920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.202!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39662F72.C3ECCFD@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leaving supers on all year References: <3960edb4_1@news.vic.com> <39621bfb_2@news.vic.com> <39624AFE.96A242FE@riverace.com> <39660969_2@news.vic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 19:28:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.40.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 962998129 24.91.40.243 (Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:28:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 15:28:49 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25920 Yes - my inner covers have an elongated hole. Not the migratory kind. -Steve Larry W wrote: > > If I put it in a super ABOVE the inner cover and below the outer cover how > can the bees get to it. I suppose your inner covers have a hole in them? > > Larry > > "Steve Huston" wrote in message > news:39624AFE.96A242FE@riverace.com... > > Larry W wrote: > > > > > > OK assuming I remove the supers, what do I do with the frames that have > > > partial honey in them. I have many that have 50% and more capped honey. > > > Should I extract them? > > > > Extract the ones that are mostly capped, leave the rest on for the bees > > to finish (assuming you have more time this year for the bees to fill > > them up). > > > > If it's the end of the year, take the extracted ones, and the partially > > filled ones that you didn't extract, and put them in a super _above_ the > > inner cover and put the outer cover over it. The bees will clean out all > > of the honey from all of them and bring it down to store it. > > > > -Steve > > > > -- > > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > > ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > > Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!dialup53.tnnas2.usit.net!user From: c@usit.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Message-ID: References: Lines: 25 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 05:26:05 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.153.53 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 963051816 216.80.153.53 (Sat, 08 Jul 2000 06:23:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 06:23:36 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25921 Barry Please you must understand that the news media does not have to tell the truth, but only something that will sell news. C. In article , "Barry Metz" wrote: > Hi > Can someone help me? > Our Local paper has printed an article claiming that Cephalicia > tannourinensis is a cousin of the Bee, they allude that the Bee is the > honeybee but make no particular statement. Cephalicia tannourinensis is > some sort of parasitic insect which is causing some considerable harm to the > Cedar trees of Lebanon. I am becoming annoyed with that anti apiarist media > slant in our local area and would like to get some facts on the Cephalicia > tannourinensis and it's relationship (if any) to Apis Melifera. > Thanks > > -- > Barry Metz Article 25922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mad bees Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 2000 11:54:21 GMT References: <3964CEB2.A41183C5@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000708075421.01179.00000450@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25922 >I had one hive which superceded its queen this past spring - they were a >mean bunch too while there was a virgin queen. As soon as the queen was >mated and got down to business, the hive turned gentle again. > Same here. Tim Article 25923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Thomas S. Allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4y785.94262$5k2.194956@dfw-read.news.verio.net> Subject: Re: Chilled Brood? Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <9YE95.16391$DJ2.66819@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 12:16:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.150.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 963058565 24.218.150.158 (Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:16:05 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:16:05 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25923 Charles, I have had the same experience, practically. I just made and populated my observation hive. It has a medium frame I hope to have drawn out and filled with honey. I put in 2 deep frames from a nuc with brood. The uncapped dried up. Some turned black and some didn't. The workers have cleaned out the cells. I don't think it's a case of disease, but I'm not sure. A few capped cells have hatched. As for the queen, I couldn't find her in the nuc which had sat for a week with the queen excluder over the entrance so I'm going to watch them rear a new queen. My obs. hive is in the garage and the temperature swings from 55 last night to 92 in the day. I put an electronic indoor/outdoor thermometer (records hi/low temp.) at the top vent. The inside and outside temp are usually within a few degrees of each other. I asked an experienced beekeeper (former state inspector) if I should put the covers on. The advice was that I should - more for darkness than temperature!? My mini colony is busy but not exactly thriving. Good luck Tom "CharlesW" wrote in message news:4y785.94262$5k2.194956@dfw-read.news.verio.net... > 2 days ago I pulled a beautiful frame of brood from a great hive for use in > an observation hive. This is my first experience with an observation hive > and my first experience with any problems with my bees. I took the frame > and all the bees on it, and placed it in the observation hive. I had an old > queen from a hive I just requeened that I was going to use. Unfortunately, > she had been removed from her hive a day and a half before and died in her > cage shortly after placing her in the observation hive. The frame of brood > I used had some eggs in it so I decided to see if they would raise a new > queen as I thought this would be wonderful to watch. Now (2 days later), > the larva are dying and turning black. I'm wondering if this is a symptom > of chilled brood? I brought the hive inside to an air conditioned house > from 90+ degree weather outside. Is it possible that I didn't get enough > workers in the hive to properly take care of the brood? Is it safe to > return this frame to the original hive with brood dying? Does anybody have > any good instructions on how to properly start a flourishing observation > hive? > Any and help would be appreciated... > > Article 25924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.34.3!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Thomas S. Allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3964CEB2.A41183C5@riverace.com> Subject: Re: mad bees Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 12:27:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.150.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 963059244 24.218.150.158 (Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:27:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:27:24 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25924 Steve, I had heard that while queens from supercede can be superior producers, they often lack the qualities, particularly gentleness, of the former queen if she was hybrid. Aren't all purchased queens hybrid? My one colony and five years experience have not given me first hand experience on that one. I'll check this out in my queenless observation hive that I just started. I did have really mean bees this year and requeen with a Russian as a measure against Veroa mites.....something about their grooming habits. They are as calm as ever, now. I even introduced a small swarm, less queen, with the one sheet of newspaper technique. Tom "Steve Huston" wrote in message news:3964CEB2.A41183C5@riverace.com... > C wrote: > > > > Greetings > > > > I am a first year bee keeper, and started two hives this spring. > > > > One hive is still small and seems weak but the bees are friendly and non > > aggressive. On the other hand the other hive is strong appears healthy has > > drawn out almost all frames in the brood box, but they are pissed off > > every time I as much as remove the top cover of the hive. > > Were they always this way? Or did they suddenly start? > > Check to see if there is another explanation for them being mean - do > they have mites? Are skunks bothering them every night? Is there a good, > laying queen there? > > I had one hive which superceded its queen this past spring - they were a > mean bunch too while there was a virgin queen. As soon as the queen was > mated and got down to business, the hive turned gentle again. > > If they were always mean, and your queen is healthy (good brood pattern) > and you have no other explanation, you could try to requeen. But be sure > there's no virgin queen in there, or they'll kill any queen you try to > give them. > > -Steve > > -- > Steve Huston Riverace Corporation > Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com > ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 > Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed2.news.digex.net!intermedia!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Date: 8 Jul 2000 08:43:38 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8k77lq$did$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25925 In article , C wrote: >Barry > >Please you must understand that the news media does not have to tell the >truth, but only something that will sell news. > Yes and that they aren't biologists by any means. To say that the _Cephalcia_ spp. and honey bees are "cousins" is like saying that humans and Gerbils are cousins. Both are in the same order: Hymenoptera, but the the pests your "erudite" newspaper are glorifying, the Web-spinning and Leaf-Rolling Sawflies, are about as distantly related as Apples are to Oranges. Seriously. You can reference: Borror, Triplehorn and Johnson, _An Introduction to the Study of Insects_, 6th edition, 1989, Saunders College Publishing, ISBN: 0-03-025397-7 Feel free to use this if you want to send it to them. Maybe they might have consulted an entomologist first? :-) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Date: 8 Jul 2000 08:53:40 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8k788k$e4a$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8k77lq$did$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Summary: oops correction! Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25926 In article <8k77lq$did$1@saltmine.radix.net>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: >To say that the _Cephalcia_ spp. and honey bees are "cousins" is like saying >that humans and Gerbils are cousins. Poor analogy, sorry. How about: Humans and Marmosets. Funny though, within the class Insecta, divergence and taxonomic hierarchy are much more severe and intense than in the class Mammalia (where Humans and Mormosets reside). Since there are more insect species than all other species on earth combined, making analogous geneological comparisons becomes "rough" at best. Ask your newspaper if they keyed out the two hymenopterans: it would be interesting to hear their response. ;) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:31:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 90 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25927 Lab to Determine if Va. Bees Are Killer Swarm By Steven Ginsberg Washington Post Staff Writer Saturday , July 8, 2000 ; B02 To Frank, the goat, they were killers for sure. But Eric Day, a scientist, must approach the issue differently. He is trying to figure out if the swarm that stung Frank to death Wednesday in Southwest Virginia consisted of Africanized honeybees, more commonly known as "killer bees." James Downey, Frank's owner and a former beekeeper who was stung more than 35 times by the swarm, thinks it's a distinction without a difference. "They killed some goat, a powerful old goat," Downey said yesterday. "I don't know how much more killer they got to be." Day, however, said it is probable the swarm that killed Frank and attacked several people was merely an extremely agitated group of honeybees. "I wouldn't expect to find Africanized bees at all," said Day, manager of the insect identification lab at the Virginia Tech Extension Service. "The way those bees were handled there, it's not out of their realm. It was a cloudy, rainy day and that makes bees more aggressive." But he is checking, because a killer swarm could pose a threat to the community and would be an alarming shift in the migration pattern of the bees. Africanized bees are slightly smaller than other bees, though they look virtually identical. They are extremely belligerent and, in some cases, kill humans and animals when provoked. They are descended from African bees imported to Brazil and accidentally released in 1957. Since then, they have been migrating north and in the last decade have been found in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and California. Day said it was extremely unlikely they would make the jump to Virginia. His lab won't know for certain until next week. Whether Africanized bees or not, though, the bees livened up the lives of Downey, his wife, Nannie, a handful of police, fire and rescue personnel and a construction crew, one of whom, for all anyone knows, may still be fleeing the swarm. The bees got Downey's goat after he tied Frank near a briar patch in the back of his house in Low Moor. He wanted the goat to eat there but didn't know the briar patch was home to about 2,000 bees, and they attacked the goat. Alerted by a construction crew working on his house, Downey darted to Frank's rescue--and became a target himself. One of the construction workers tried to help by throwing a cooler of water on Downey before being chased away by the bees. Downey hasn't seen or heard from him since. "The last time I seen him, he was running around the side of the house with the bees running after him," Downey recalled. "That man, you could send him to the Olympics the way he was moving. I don't know when he'll ever come back." The former beekeeper then ran into the house, bringing along a few bees that stung his wife. He grabbed a protective hood, a heavy winter coat and a pair of gloves before racing back outside to help Frank. Meanwhile, his wife called the police. Within minutes, police and fire and rescue personnel arrived, separating the goat and Downey from the swarm some 20 minutes after the ordeal began. "It just looked like a cloud coming toward me," Downey said. "If it hadn't been for the fire company, I reckon they would have killed me." The Downeys and two police officers were taken to the hospital and released. The goat, which was covered with stingers on its ears and mouth, climbed a hill and later died. "Lord, I'll tell you, I ain't never seen nothing like that," Downey said. © 2000 The Washington Post Company Article 25928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Date: 8 Jul 2000 09:36:49 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8k7aph$gfi$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25928 Wow. That's the most action Eric Day has had in years! Where was Dr. Fell? No comment? I bet they fed them old New River Valley bees gunpwder to make 'em mean. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: "Peter Bennell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee-go Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 07:57:56 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8k6jdv$7o2$1@neptunium.btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-6-72-213.btinternet.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25929 I have seen some references to this. Can anyone tell me what it is and where to get some? Thanks Article 25930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3965EE9A.8EF9176@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: How do I recycle Black Perco? Lines: 39 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:23:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.51.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 963167033 12.72.51.121 (Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:23:53 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:23:53 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25930 Just scrape them, no need to get them super clean or re-coat them with wax. There will be residual wax from the scraping. All you need to do is remove their "pattern" and let them start again. I suppose if you feel you need to re-wax them you could rub them with a block of wax after you scrape them and quickly pass over them with a propane torch. I can;t see how you would be able to keep the wax molten long enough to spray it. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3965EE9A.8EF9176@nospam.boeing.com... > Group, > > Remember me? I'm the poster who reported lots of burr comb being built > on some black perco frames that I had used in a bait hive. Anyway, I am > in the process of slowly working those braced combs out of the hive. I'm > not ready to give up on those frames though. Eventually I'm going to > have the bees clean the combs out, scrape the combs off the frames and I > want to recycle the frames and try it again. > > How do I do this? Can I melt the wax and spray in on the plasic with a > sprayer? Is there a better way? > > -- > Billy Y. Smart II > /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ > /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ > /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ > > > Article 25931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Why@me.com (SomeOne) Subject: Re: Bee-go References: <0UK95.6$Hg4.721@jump.innerx.net> <20000709090249.04648.00002633@ng-fj1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 19 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:52:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.127.228 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 963169074 38.12.127.228 (Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:57:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 14:57:54 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25931 In article <20000709090249.04648.00002633@ng-fj1.aol.com>, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >> You can get it from any of the bee catalogs if you can't get it at your >>regular dealer. Bee-Go and Honey Robber are the same chemical except Honey >>Robber adds a bit of a cherry smell added to it to make it nicer for humans. >> >> > I think they call it liquid Smoke too. They works. I remove super with full of >honey and took another lid with a filter cloth( after spray Bee-go on it) on >the inside and lay it up aging the super, Lord behold, The bees jump out other >side like craze and fast as it can be.They really hate that smell. >Spray it at the shop before you take it at the site that way you won't spill >any inside your hive. >Brushy Mountain have it for $9.25 per pint. No Liquid Smoke is a different product. It is designed to mimic the smell of smoke and they add wintergreen oil to it claiming it calms the bees so you can work with them. I had some and it was 'ok' . I still prefer my smoker, but if I was in a real fire prone area I might consider it as a sub. Article 25932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Why@me.com (SomeOne) Subject: Re: Extracting Honey References: X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 19 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 19:00:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.12.127.228 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 963169557 38.12.127.228 (Sun, 09 Jul 2000 15:05:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 15:05:57 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25932 In article , "J & N F." wrote: >Hi, >I was wondering if anyone can offer advice for extracting honey, without >purchasing one of the (very expensive) extractors. I would like to find a way >to get the honey off the frame without completely destroying the comb, so the >bees have to start from scratch rebuilding the comb too (if this is possible). >I tried scraping the caps off, and then laying the frame on a cookie sheet in >a very barely warm oven, but the whole comb fell off the foundation (plastic >foundation). I've only kept bees for three years, mostly for pollination, but >would like to get a little honey. The extractors I've seen are just so >expensive! Thanks for any advice. > >Niki > Sorry Niki, but without destrying the comb there really isn't a good way to get it all out. I can understand not wishing to spend the money, but even Dadant has a small extractor for less than $100. Article 25933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!not-for-mail From: CAIR Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginner questions Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 19:10:43 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8kaj52$qj0$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ce.d9.6f.82 X-Server-Date: 9 Jul 2000 19:17:54 GMT X-Newsreader: NETCOMplete/4.0 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25933 Hello I went to check my hive today one week after finding empty queen supercedure cells and many bees but no brood. This time I found only a few capped drone cells. One of these cells was hatching and I noticed a small round reddish insect emerge from the cell with the drone. Is this a mite, and what should I do? I also noticed that some cells had a milky substance, not larvae, in the bottom. Is this another disease? And I also noticed some cells had a brownish (I am color-blind) substance at the bottom. Do I re-queen, treat for mites or foulbrood, or what? Article 25934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping articles wanted please .... Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 00:57:54 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8k2rl5$h55$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 963179262 nnrp-09:18445 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 51 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25934 In article <8k2rl5$h55$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Magic Kent writes >andover2000.net is a non-profit making hobbies website. We try to include as >wide a range of subjects as is possible and it was suggested that we include >bee keeping while UK still has some !. Our bee population got hit by a mite >apparently and is / was in dire straits. Not really. Rumours about its death or difficulties are much exaggerated. The mite is easy to control as there are many successful approaches. The mite has been evident in Europe since the 30's and in America since the 80's only arriving here in the 90's. So almost everyone has it. Your posting is way off. However, there is so much that could be said, it would be helpful if you would be more precise. I attach the text going to press soon for our next edition to show you at least what I do. I also attach an earlier edition. Many local associations have a newsletter which includes articles. Some only give events and reports on events with few articles. Beekeepers are always exhorted to join a local association, most of which are affiliated to the British Beekeepers Association. There is even an exchange scheme for Newsletters between editors who then select from contributing members' publications. Individual non-members can also join the Central Association of Beekeepers. There are huge advantages from so doing: courses, early knowledge of developments or new problems and their solutions in beekeeping, bulk purchase schemes, apiary meetings and talks, the network of willing helpers for newcomers and non-newcomers and so it goes on. Those who want to stay out of this and work independently are hardly likely to look for a hobby web-site, especially given there are Usenet groups such as this one, both International and UK, and excellent beekeeping web-sites. Sorry if that seems like a wet blanket but most Association members are hobbyists. Even with 50-odd hives, and though I could join the Bee Farmers Association, I am still a hobbyist, albeit on a much larger scale than most hobbyists. A different idea might be thoughts for non-beekeepers or those beginning to think about it or who might think about it if there was a basic introductory set of articles to browse or accidentally stumble on. They might range from "what I get out of beekeeping" to " gardening and bees", "bees and the countryside", "honeybees, no longer truly a wild species" and "thinking about beekeeping". BBKA leaflets could be a useful source. A posting to this effect might get some response. -- James Kilty Ph.D. phone/fax 01736 850373 Honey Mountain - selling honey locally Beekeeper and Bee Centre Manager at the Trevarno Estate and Gardens Librarian, Newsletter Editor and Basic Course Manager for the West Cornwall BKA Article 25935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rob O'Hara" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: check-mite Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:57:09 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25935 Hello all Can someone please send me directions for use of check-mite strips. I somehow misplaced them and they are not on the pkgs. Bees in NE Ohio building up nicely this year. We had an abundance of rain, which slowed down the hay-making but the bees made a nice crop of honey off the uncut fields! The weather hurt some and helped others. If you are interested in beekeeping the Geauga County Beekeepers Association would love to see you at their picnic July 16, 2000 at Thompson's Ledges Park in NE Geauga County. 12:00 noon. Thankyou -- Rob O'Hara rohara98@yahoo.com 4th Year ... 5 Hives 3rd String Hobbiest Trying To Grow Article 25936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A beginner's top bar hive experiences Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 01:57:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 963194254 24.27.124.231 (Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:57:34 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:57:34 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25936 This is a one-time post to annonce my web site devoted to keeping bees in a top bar hive (TBH) in my backyard. Please see it at http://beetalk.tripod.com Please sign our guest book and leave us your comments. Thanks, Robert - a beeginner Article 25937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Tom Allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 14:29:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.150.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 963239370 24.218.150.158 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:29:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:29:30 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25937 Niki, I found plans for a 20 frame extractor that look cool. A kit is available for $20 from honeyhouse@mediaone.net, not including materials. Check it out at http://www.beesource.com/plans/extractor_20.htm. You'll need Adobe Acrobat to see/print the plans. Tom "J & N F." wrote in message news:eYmvSPU6$GA.292@cpmsnbbsa09... > Hi, > I was wondering if anyone can offer advice for extracting honey, without > purchasing one of the (very expensive) extractors. I would like to find a way > to get the honey off the frame without completely destroying the comb, so the > bees have to start from scratch rebuilding the comb too (if this is possible). > I tried scraping the caps off, and then laying the frame on a cookie sheet in > a very barely warm oven, but the whole comb fell off the foundation (plastic > foundation). I've only kept bees for three years, mostly for pollination, but > would like to get a little honey. The extractors I've seen are just so > expensive! Thanks for any advice. > > Niki > > -- > > > J & N F. > > Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; > Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > > Article 25938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-179-41.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mad bees Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 09:13:05 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b3.29 X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 2000 15:12:08 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25938 I put in a swarm this spring, and I couldn't believe how aggressive the bees continued to be, even several weeks after they were hived. I would regularly get stung doing the most simple manipulations of the hive. After finding some queen cells and a patchy egg-laying pattern, I decided to re-queen. The change in the bees' mood was nearly immediate and quite dramatic. It's been a couple of weeks now and I'm opening up the hive in running shorts and a tee shirt with no problems at all. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 25939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Does age matter on plastic foundation? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3969F008.CEFD573A@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:47:21 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25939 Group, I purchased some used equipment from a individual that had been stored in a barn for five years. The boxes and frames are in excellent shape and have never been used in the field. The frames though had duraguilt foundation inserted in them. During a recent flow I put several of these boxes on, both deeps and supers, and have had dissapointing results to say the least. None of the foundation was even touched in 3 of the 4 hives I had put boxes on. The one that did draw was a swarm hive working on it's second deep and then it drew out only three frames over three weeks. In one of the hives I supered with the duragilt, the queen finally gave up on me and swarmed leaving not even a single cell drawn in the super. I have since installed wired beeswax foundation and all hives are drawing it out really well. In fact I'll be taking some supers off this weekend after only two weeks. This leads me to think that it is the foundation that is the problem. I wonder if my failure here was due to the age of the foundation. This stuff was five years old, stored in a barn with temperatures exceeding 100 deg. in the summer months. They were covered well though, not even any dust on them. Could age be the reason? Does beeswax lose it's "juice" after a while? -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nnrp1.sbc.net.POSTED!super!209.184.103.135 From: "Lowell and Diane Hutchison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: spun honey Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.184.103.135 Message-ID: <3969e590@super> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:54:02 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.193.195.8 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: nnrp1.sbc.net 963244365 207.193.195.8 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:52:45 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:52:45 CDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25940 Can anyone give me the directions to produce spun or "cremed" honey? I know that you seed it with some spun honey and hold at cool temperature, but that is all I know. Thanks for the help. hutchiso@ccp.com Article 25941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.megsinet.net.MISMATCH!news.corecomm.net!not-for-mail From: "mbelluso" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: queen raising Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:56:55 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.40.16.30 X-Trace: news.corecomm.net 963244515 208.40.16.30 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:55:15 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:55:15 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25941 Hoping that some in the group might share ideas or info related to raising your own queens. I have just started two hives this year, about one hour south of Chicago, and am thinking of next season. Perhaps too soon based on experience, but I like to do my homework before I start a new project. I'm not planning on going commercial, sideliner probably at best. Dadant, Mann Lake, Jenter are a few systems currently on the market that I have seen (catalogue only). What works for you and why do you like it? Other systems or suggestions? Any information you could pass along would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. mb :-) ymbelluso@yahoo.com Article 25942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3969FE64.60C0@wp.bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Russian Queens--Any success stories with Varroa? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:48:36 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 963247846 147.226.103.42 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:50:46 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:50:46 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25942 Fellow Beekeepers: I was wondering if any of you have tried the new Russian queens and if you have noticed any improvement with your mite populations compared to your other non russian hives. Thanks, Dale Article 25943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.144!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Karyn Plank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question About Hive & Queen Excluder Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:27:10 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.194.217.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 963256914 63.194.217.119 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:21:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:21:54 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25943 This is my first year keeping bees. I have a hive derived from a captured swarm in two brood boxes. About 2 or 3 weeks ago, I added a medium super with a queen excluder between the bottom two brood boxes and the new honey super. When I checked the hive about 5 days ago, there were very few bees in the new super and they weren't doing much except mulling around. Checking today, I found about twice as many bees in there (still only about 100-200?), but they two don't seem to be doing much except hanging out. To date, the bees have not drawn any comb in the new box. Is this because 1) they can't fit well through the bars of the queen excluder (about 1/4" from center of each bar to the next, or about 3/16" actual space between bars), OR 2) they're waiting until they finish drawing out all the comb in the bottom two boxes (admittedly, there were still about 2 untouched frames in the top brood box when I added the new honey super on top), OR 3) something else? Any suggestions for this rookie? I just removed the queen excluder because I wanted to measure the width of the bars. Now what? Should I put it back and be patient? Thanks for your advice. Karyn Article 25944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does age matter on plastic foundation? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 2000 17:56:48 GMT References: <3969F008.CEFD573A@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000710135648.02311.00000534@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25944 It has been my experiance that even new duragilt just plain sucks in comparison to wax,permadent,rite cell or pierco. Perhaps they have much invested in it's production or perhaps they don't care. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Charles W." From: "Charles W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3969F008.CEFD573A@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: Does age matter on plastic foundation? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:03:26 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.184.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 963259407 204.96.184.188 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:03:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:03:27 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25946 I don't believe that age matters much ... as long as it is not completely decomposed it's probably fine. I too have had questionable luck with duraguilt. I put it in a second hive body and the bees took no interest in it for a long time. I placed a super on top of that with drawn comb already in it. Shortly after that, I discovered the bees had come up into the second hive body, drawn almost all of the duraguilt, and have filled better than half with honey. I'm not sure if it is the type of foundation that matters to them or if it just in the timing and presentation? I must say though, that once they did finally draw it out, it is beautiful! Very even and uniform! I've heard from another guy I know, that his bees drew out duraguilt very uneven and ugly. I think a lot more real research would have to be done in order to say good or bad about the foundations. From what I'm hearing, it just depends on the bees. It seems they all have different likes and dislikes? It also seems to me, so far anyway, that the bees don't like the plasticell. I put on a super filled with alternating drawn comb and plasticell foundation. The bees have completely filled and capped the frames with drawn comb and have left the plasticell untouched. Even with it sandwiched between the others, they have ignored it like it wasn't even there! I suspect, that once you get the bees to draw out the foundation, that they will show little preference for any one of them. But, until that happens, they definately seem to like some foundations over others. It also seems that after hearing from different people, different colonies (races?) will prefer different foundations. It all seems kind of "luck of the draw" to me at this point. Article 25947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: Tom Subject: newish beekeeper needs advice on comb please Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <288be9c4.794527e5@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> Lines: 8 Bytes: 436 X-Originating-Host: 193.113.185.168 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eNj91dTNisCLi9zV3tbV1MPY6N/J1Zba2MbZ3sWCwpfansmAhdach4eXjYWD1pqZgQ== Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:20:21 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.68 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 963261204 10.0.2.68 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:33:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:33:24 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25947 After extracting honey is it a good idea to cut the comb back level with the frames to encourage a slightly neater drawing of comb or will it just be drawn out mis-shapen again this year? This is mostly on second year comb and is making uncapping untidy, any thoughts please? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 25948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!204.127.161.3!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Question About Hive & Queen Excluder Lines: 59 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:35:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.138 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 963261329 12.72.42.138 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:35:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:35:29 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25948 Sounds like they just don't need the space yet. They will go through the QX when they need to but will be more reluctant to go to foundation. You can leave the QX off and see if that makes a difference but once they start to draw it, if the queen goes up she will lay in even the most shallow cells. If you are trying for comb honey, this will be disastrous. You could also try to move a frame of brood above the QX but if your brood boxes are deeps you will have some adjusting to do to make it fit in the medium (you can use a 3" feeder ring to effectively turn the medium into a deep). If you do put the QX back on make sure there is an entrance above the QX. You can either cut a slot in the rim of the QX if it is wood-bound, bore a hole in the super or simply stagger the super. And yes, be patient. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Karyn Plank" wrote in message news:mnpa5.21$Me7.31989@news.pacbell.net... > This is my first year keeping bees. I have a hive derived from a captured > swarm in two brood boxes. About 2 or 3 weeks ago, I added a medium super > with a queen excluder between the bottom two brood boxes and the new honey > super. > > When I checked the hive about 5 days ago, there were very few bees in the > new super and they weren't doing much except mulling around. Checking > today, I found about twice as many bees in there (still only about > 100-200?), but they two don't seem to be doing much except hanging out. > To date, the bees have not drawn any comb in the new box. > > Is this because 1) they can't fit well through the bars of the queen > excluder (about 1/4" from center of each bar to the next, or about 3/16" > actual space between bars), OR > > 2) they're waiting until they finish drawing out all the comb in the bottom > two boxes (admittedly, there were still about 2 untouched frames in the top > brood box when I added the new honey super on top), OR > > 3) something else? > > Any suggestions for this rookie? I just removed the queen excluder because > I wanted to measure the width of the bars. Now what? Should I put it back > and be patient? > > Thanks for your advice. > Karyn > > Article 25949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <288be9c4.794527e5@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> Subject: Re: newish beekeeper needs advice on comb please Lines: 26 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:42:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.42.138 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 963261753 12.72.42.138 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:42:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:42:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25949 I just return them and let the bees worry about the engineering. They always seem to get it right and some of it looks pretty bad after extracting, especially those that get scratched in places. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Tom" wrote in message news:288be9c4.794527e5@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com... > After extracting honey is it a good idea to cut the comb > back level with the frames to encourage a slightly neater > drawing of comb or will it just be drawn out mis-shapen > again this year? This is mostly on second year comb and is > making uncapping untidy, any thoughts please? > > > * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful Article 25950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!HSNX.atgi.net!feeder.via.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Charles W." From: "Charles W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Question About Hive & Queen Excluder Lines: 74 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <8Hqa5.2796$wE2.6746@dfw-read.news.verio.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 15:51:15 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.184.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 963262276 204.96.184.188 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:51:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 20:51:16 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25950 Why is it important to have an entrance above the qx??? George Styer wrote in message news:lsqa5.3800$bR6.305507@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Sounds like they just don't need the space yet. They will go through the QX > when they need to but will be more reluctant to go to foundation. You can > leave the QX off and see if that makes a difference but once they start to > draw it, if the queen goes up she will lay in even the most shallow cells. > If you are trying for comb honey, this will be disastrous. You could also > try to move a frame of brood above the QX but if your brood boxes are deeps > you will have some adjusting to do to make it fit in the medium (you can use > a 3" feeder ring to effectively turn the medium into a deep). If you do put > the QX back on make sure there is an entrance above the QX. You can either > cut a slot in the rim of the QX if it is wood-bound, bore a hole in the > super or simply stagger the super. > > And yes, be patient. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > "Karyn Plank" wrote in message > news:mnpa5.21$Me7.31989@news.pacbell.net... > > This is my first year keeping bees. I have a hive derived from a captured > > swarm in two brood boxes. About 2 or 3 weeks ago, I added a medium super > > with a queen excluder between the bottom two brood boxes and the new honey > > super. > > > > When I checked the hive about 5 days ago, there were very few bees in the > > new super and they weren't doing much except mulling around. Checking > > today, I found about twice as many bees in there (still only about > > 100-200?), but they two don't seem to be doing much except hanging out. > > To date, the bees have not drawn any comb in the new box. > > > > Is this because 1) they can't fit well through the bars of the queen > > excluder (about 1/4" from center of each bar to the next, or about 3/16" > > actual space between bars), OR > > > > 2) they're waiting until they finish drawing out all the comb in the > bottom > > two boxes (admittedly, there were still about 2 untouched frames in the > top > > brood box when I added the new honey super on top), OR > > > > 3) something else? > > > > Any suggestions for this rookie? I just removed the queen excluder > because > > I wanted to measure the width of the bars. Now what? Should I put it > back > > and be patient? > > > > Thanks for your advice. > > Karyn > > > > > > Article 25951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: newish beekeeper needs advice on comb please Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:05:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8kddqs$933$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <288be9c4.794527e5@usw-ex0109-068.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.94 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 10 21:05:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.94 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25951 > Tom wrote: > After extracting honey is it a good idea to cut the comb > back level with the frames to encourage a slightly neater > drawing of comb or will it just be drawn out mis-shapen > again this year? ******************************************************** Howdy Tom -- If you rest your uncapping knife against the top bar it will leave the combs about equal thickness. Then use 9 frames so the bees will make the combs thicker next time. Ths makes uncapping much easier. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Charles W." From: "Charles W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8kaj52$qj0$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Beginner questions Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 08:28:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.184.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 963235718 204.96.184.188 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:28:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:28:38 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25952 > I went to check my hive today one week after finding empty queen supercedure cells and many bees but no brood. This time I found > only a few capped drone cells. One of these cells was hatching and I noticed a small round reddish insect emerge from the cell with the > drone. Is this a mite, and what should I do? Yes, that sounds like the varroa mite which does, incidently, like drone cells over worker. > I also noticed that some cells had a milky substance, not larvae, in the bottom. Is this another disease? Milky substance is more than likely just royal jelly ... normal. > And I also noticed some cells had a brownish (I am color-blind) substance at the bottom. May have just been thin royal jelly in the bottom of a brown cell, still probably nothing to worry about. > Do I re-queen, treat for mites or foulbrood, or what? Are drone cells all that you found? No eggs, larva or capped worker brood? If you have no eggs or larva at all, you probably have no queen. Have you found your queen? It sounds like you should probably seek the advice of an experienced beekeeper in your area, who can come and look and show you what he/she sees. If they are making honey that you wish to keep, they should probably not be drugged, but if the mites are bad, you may want to forgo honey collection and save your bees. I would also suggest that you are serious about caring for your bees, find some compehensive books about bees and read them cover to cover. There is a wealth of information to be had. Article 25953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8Hqa5.2796$wE2.6746@dfw-read.news.verio.net> Subject: Re: Question About Hive & Queen Excluder Lines: 97 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:14:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.46.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 963267289 12.72.46.81 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:14:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 22:14:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25953 The entrance above the QX will not get them to draw the foundation any faster, but once it is drawn or when supering with drawn comb the field bees will return directly to the super(s) without having to pass through the QX. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Charles W." wrote in message news:8Hqa5.2796$wE2.6746@dfw-read.news.verio.net... > Why is it important to have an entrance above the qx??? > > > George Styer wrote in message > news:lsqa5.3800$bR6.305507@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > > Sounds like they just don't need the space yet. They will go through the > QX > > when they need to but will be more reluctant to go to foundation. You can > > leave the QX off and see if that makes a difference but once they start to > > draw it, if the queen goes up she will lay in even the most shallow cells. > > If you are trying for comb honey, this will be disastrous. You could also > > try to move a frame of brood above the QX but if your brood boxes are > deeps > > you will have some adjusting to do to make it fit in the medium (you can > use > > a 3" feeder ring to effectively turn the medium into a deep). If you do > put > > the QX back on make sure there is an entrance above the QX. You can either > > cut a slot in the rim of the QX if it is wood-bound, bore a hole in the > > super or simply stagger the super. > > > > And yes, be patient. > > > > -- > > Geo > > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > > > > "Karyn Plank" wrote in message > > news:mnpa5.21$Me7.31989@news.pacbell.net... > > > This is my first year keeping bees. I have a hive derived from a > captured > > > swarm in two brood boxes. About 2 or 3 weeks ago, I added a medium > super > > > with a queen excluder between the bottom two brood boxes and the new > honey > > > super. > > > > > > When I checked the hive about 5 days ago, there were very few bees in > the > > > new super and they weren't doing much except mulling around. Checking > > > today, I found about twice as many bees in there (still only about > > > 100-200?), but they two don't seem to be doing much except hanging out. > > > To date, the bees have not drawn any comb in the new box. > > > > > > Is this because 1) they can't fit well through the bars of the queen > > > excluder (about 1/4" from center of each bar to the next, or about 3/16" > > > actual space between bars), OR > > > > > > 2) they're waiting until they finish drawing out all the comb in the > > bottom > > > two boxes (admittedly, there were still about 2 untouched frames in the > > top > > > brood box when I added the new honey super on top), OR > > > > > > 3) something else? > > > > > > Any suggestions for this rookie? I just removed the queen excluder > > because > > > I wanted to measure the width of the bars. Now what? Should I put it > > back > > > and be patient? > > > > > > Thanks for your advice. > > > Karyn > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 25954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 18:08:43 -0700 Lines: 31 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust245.tnt8.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.23.245 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa07 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25954 Thanks to everyone who has offered suggestions (on group & email). I didn't realize other bee keepers would do extracting & for someone on a tiny scale like myself, that is probably my best bet, at least for now. I am going to look into the other options as well. As you have all been so very helpful, maybe some of you can give me some tips on how you handle the frames of honey, etc. for storage or other needs. I find it difficult to know just what to do with them so as not to damage the comb. We took some out some time ago & since I cannot extract them, I decided to freeze them to save for the bees (just in case) as suggested in one of the books I read. When working at the hive, I general stack frames standing upright against each other on the upside down outer cover. When it came to freezing them, I was at a loss. If you lay them on their side, the cells get smushed, it is difficult to stack them without them sticking together or damaging the wax. and I had to piece together a couple cardboard boxes to end up with something large enough to set them in. And as one person mentioned, sticky honey leaking around the kitchen (or in the freezer) can lead to marital discord! Any tips & hints to make handling frames of honey a little easier from you with more experience? Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. Article 25955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-181-246.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question About Hive & Queen Excluder Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:16:08 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b5.f6 X-Server-Date: 11 Jul 2000 01:15:19 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25955 In article , "George Styer" wrote: If you do put > the QX back on make sure there is an entrance above the QX. You can either > cut a slot in the rim of the QX if it is wood-bound, bore a hole in the > super or simply stagger the super. > This is the first time I've heard that a QX needs an entrance above it. Wot's, ... uh the deal? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 25956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-181-246.phnx.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question About Hive & Queen Excluder Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:17:35 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.b5.f6 X-Server-Date: 11 Jul 2000 01:16:46 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25956 In article , "Karyn Plank" wrote: > Any suggestions for this rookie? I just removed the queen excluder because > I wanted to measure the width of the bars. Now what? Should I put it back > and be patient? What kind of foundation do you have in the honey super? Have you tried speading a bit of honey on the foundation, as an enticement for the girls to get their butts up there? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com Article 25957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!alnews.ncsc.mil!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!news.psd.k12.co.us!newsfeed.frii.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Karyn Plank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Question About Hive & Queen Excluder Lines: 43 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:47:02 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.194.217.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 963290505 63.194.217.119 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:41:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:41:45 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25957 Oops -- my big mistake. I'm using Plasticell foundation not Duragilt. Sorry for the confusion. Karyn the obviously rookie beekeeper (Help me get good at this, guys!) "Karyn Plank" wrote in message news:wnxa5.110$p07.118351@news.pacbell.net... > The foundation is Duragilt. I like the idea of spreading a little honey on > the foundation to get the ball rolling. I'll give it a try. > > Karyn > > > "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message > news:HiStretch-1007001917350001@pool-207-205-181-246.phnx.grid.net... > > In article , "Karyn Plank" > > wrote: > > > > > Any suggestions for this rookie? I just removed the queen excluder > because > > > I wanted to measure the width of the bars. Now what? Should I put it > back > > > and be patient? > > > > What kind of foundation do you have in the honey super? Have you tried > > speading a bit of honey on the foundation, as an enticement for the girls > > to get their butts up there? > > > > -- > > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > > "North America and the Entire World" > > http://www.GoStretch.com > > > > > Article 25958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.143!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Karyn Plank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Question About Hive & Queen Excluder Lines: 29 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:33:28 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.194.217.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 963289692 63.194.217.119 (Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:28:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 21:28:12 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25958 The foundation is Duragilt. I like the idea of spreading a little honey on the foundation to get the ball rolling. I'll give it a try. Karyn "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:HiStretch-1007001917350001@pool-207-205-181-246.phnx.grid.net... > In article , "Karyn Plank" > wrote: > > > Any suggestions for this rookie? I just removed the queen excluder because > > I wanted to measure the width of the bars. Now what? Should I put it back > > and be patient? > > What kind of foundation do you have in the honey super? Have you tried > speading a bit of honey on the foundation, as an enticement for the girls > to get their butts up there? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com > Article 25959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen raising Message-ID: <396b0afd.50950828@west.usenetserver.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 56 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 08:07:31 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:08:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25959 If you search DejaNews you will see a couple methods out-lined and discussed about a month ago. One just labeled as "Bob's" method would work very well for a small number. The simplest way I have tried is from a University of Nebraska visiting scholar who raises royal jelly in Egypt. He gets excellent numbers of queen cells. This is the third method I have tried and it works the best for me. Mahmoud's method Take a 2 brood box strong hive and remove the queen and 3 frames of brood to a nuc box. You have 20 frames total. In the bottom box put a division board feeder and one or two frames of pollen .. no brood. This box is empty except for these two frames and the feeder. Fill the feeder (he mentioned once that sometimes he puts 2 feeders in this box). Shake all the bees from the other 15 frames into this bottom box. It is now boiling with bees with nothing to do, but raise queen cells. Give the 15 bee-less frames you shook the bees off of, to another colony to tend. Graft your cells as in all methods and put the graft frame into the single box with all the bees. Count days and remove the queen cells after 10-11 days. You can then return the queen/nuc and 15 frames to this hive to put it back into production or you can use it for a second round of grafting. On Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:56:55 -0500, "mbelluso" wrote: >Hoping that some in the group might share ideas or info related to raising >your own queens. I have just started two hives this year, about one hour >south of Chicago, and am thinking of next season. Perhaps too soon based on >experience, but I like to do my homework before I start a new project. I'm >not planning on going commercial, sideliner probably at best. Dadant, Mann >Lake, Jenter are a few systems currently on the market that I have seen >(catalogue only). What works for you and why do you like it? Other systems >or suggestions? Any information you could pass along would be greatly >appreciated. Thanks. mb :-) > >ymbelluso@yahoo.com > > Article 25960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "we-c" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does age matter on plastic foundation? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:33:39 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3969F008.CEFD573A@nospam.boeing.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25960 I was at a bee course recently at a local agricultural college, and both the professor and a local professional beekeeper recommended plasticell, and very highly at that. But all three of the course participants who had tried plasticell (all of them relatively experienced keepers, but not "professionals") had NO success with it. One woman had five hives with mixed plasticell/wax foundation frames, and her bees had completely ignored the plasticell over two seasons, while filling the wax frames. In every case the bees were Italians. I don't know about plasticell, I just know that wax foundations seem right for me. They even smell right. BC Article 25961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!fc.hp.com!news From: "steve hird" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: I need bees Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:41:00 -0600 Organization: Hewlett-Packard Fort Collins Site Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8kfm30$slj$1@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lvl10866.lvld.agilent.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25961 Well I had hundreds of pounds of honey and the hives where booming so of coarse a bear came along and cllimbed a five foot fence and ate my honey and killed the bees. I am not motivated to start from scratch anyone know of where I can get bees in the Northern Colorado, Southern Wyoming area. Thanks ... Steve Hird Article 25962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!1cust112.tnt39.dfw5.da.uu.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation support pins Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:41:17 -0500 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <20000706184506.01510.00003772@ng-md1.aol.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust112.tnt39.dfw5.da.uu.net (63.17.169.112) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 963340878 2505147 63.17.169.112 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25962 I use them but buy them from Kelly, more for less. I have this simple system..I use the split bottom bars type of frame. (also Kelly) I clip off the annoying wire 'hook' (for removable top bar 'wedges') flush with the foundation making a 'flat' sheet, with no protruding wires; i then 'drop in' the foundation from the bottom and hold it in place with the split pins. I also have a small pre drilled hole in the middle of the two bottom bars. I put a one inch #4 phillips pan head screw there to securely hold the foundation between the split bars and let the split pins hold it from the sides. I let the 'top' stay loose in the groove. It might seem that this is pretty fragile, but if the bees go on and fill in the foundation as they are want to do, I've never had a 'structural' failure yet. I even use unwired foundation with the above method on large swarms. Do not plan however, to be extracting honey from this type of frame and comb combination, at least in a centrifugal extractor, it works nicely if you want to squeeze it by hand. (no stiff wires to stick in your hand) and lots of possibilities for cutting a long comb out for a tall gift bottle of honey. This method also makes it easy to 'recycle' old frames, I boil them in a vat until all the old comb is gone, leaving just the frame, and split pins (and those little curly golden wires) I then use compressed air to blow off the remaining bits while the frame is still hot. When the frame is dry, and now nicely coated with wax, I pull the pins out enough to clear a new sheet of foundation, drop it in, push the pens back and secure the bottom bars with the screw. Works for me. C.K. Article 25963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!1cust143.tnt35.dfw5.da.uu.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: AFB in my Apiary?? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:14:02 -0500 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust143.tnt35.dfw5.da.uu.net (63.17.159.143) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 963346442 2539222 63.17.159.143 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25963 As soon as you 'see' infected cells, 'sunken covered brood usually with a pin hole in the middle of the cover'; use the toothpick method for conformation. (pulling out a 'snotty' strand of former healthy brood) Don't leave things so long that you actually start smelling the hive (the foul smell of foul brood) >Now what to do...? I would keep a close watch on the hives you suspected, as soon as you find sign of infection, (as above) take out that frame and burn it up. You can boil infected wooden ware in a solution of caustic soda, but it's not worth it. (1 cup caustic soda crystals to 4 gallons water, very strong and dangerous to use. Never adding the water to the crystals but the other way around) Sometimes bees will recover from foul brood if you keep their hive free of infected cells, clean and full of bees. (adding bees divided between a sheet of newspaper will allow them to 'chew through' and join up without the fighting) I know what you're thinking, you have already ordered Terramycin and you're going to use it. It's up to you, but I don't recommend it or any of that stuff. Just keep the infection cleared out by frequent inspections of your bees. If they pull through, good enough, if they don't, sterilize everything you want to save in that solution above, and start over. By screwing around with antibiotics you may incur a false sense that all is well, and risk the chance of AFB creating spores that last 60 years. It was once thought that no resistance to Terramycin had ever developed in the 30 odd years it has been used, but now there's doubt about that. C.K. Article 25964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 15:01:40 EDT From: Subject: VA Killer Bees??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.202.0.25 X-Trace: 11 Jul 2000 14:59:32 -0500, 198.202.0.25 Lines: 14 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news.ums.edu!cisnws.ubalt.edu!UBMAIL!ftekpuentes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25964 Paul Harvey had a little blip on his show a few days ago about a particular hive being investigated for unusal agressiveness not to far from DC in VA. Does anyone know anything about this??? thanks, joseph in NC Article 25965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!btnet-peer0!btnet!ctb-nntp1.saix.net!not-for-mail From: "Jan @ Lando" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: mad bees Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 09:51:28 +0200 Organization: The South African Internet Exchange Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8kejg8$atm$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.25.115.102 X-Trace: ctb-nnrp2.saix.net 963301704 11190 196.25.115.102 (11 Jul 2000 07:48:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@saix.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 2000 07:48:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25965 I have 35 hives of pure-bred African Bees and find that amongst them any 34 will be quite happy to part with their honey without much fuss. One will fight like hell to keep it. My problem is that it is not always the same one that shows this character, therefore I cannot blame the queen. It is interesting to learn that the so-called "timid" strains of bees also displays aggressiveness! Jan Coetsee janc@lando.co.za -- "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:HiStretch-1007000913060001@pool-207-205-179-41.phnx.grid.net... > I put in a swarm this spring, and I couldn't believe how aggressive the > bees continued to be, even several weeks after they were hived. I would > regularly get stung doing the most simple manipulations of the hive. > > After finding some queen cells and a patchy egg-laying pattern, I decided > to re-queen. The change in the bees' mood was nearly immediate and quite > dramatic. It's been a couple of weeks now and I'm opening up the hive in > running shorts and a tee shirt with no problems at all. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com Article 25966 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: spun honey Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:29:11 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <3969e590@super> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25966 You need to use about 10% seed honey, Stoller's is great if you can get it. The ideal temp is 57 deg F. When mixing, avoid bubbles by keeping your spoon below the surface. Good Luck! Chris Sauer www.greathoney.com "Lowell and Diane Hutchison" wrote in message news:3969e590@super... > Can anyone give me the directions to produce spun or "cremed" honey? I know > that you seed it with some spun honey and hold at cool temperature, but that > is all I know. Thanks for the help. > hutchiso@ccp.com > > Article 25967 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3969F008.CEFD573A@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: Does age matter on plastic foundation? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <27Ga5.13092$BS1.352435@brie.direct.ca> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:29:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 963325502 204.244.87.17 (Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:25:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:25:02 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25967 Age would matter if your foundation has become brittle. When there is a "good flow", bees will draw "anything" but one way you can help them is by spraying sugared water on the frames. I think I would call it more a lack of patience than a failure. As for swarming, adding a super of foundation won't solve your problem. And sometimes, anything you do won't stop them to swarm, but you can always try as best you can with other swarm control techniques. Unless you increase the amount of your colonies next year, you will have drawn combs to play with instead of foundation, and life will be easier, Use those caught new swarm to draw, they're always keen to do so. I might be wrong because bees are bees but I hope this will help Normand Article 25968 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VA Killer Bees??? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 17:56:43 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25968 see the recent thread on "biased media coverage" in this newsgroup, or go directly to the source at: http://washingtonpost.com:80/wp-dyn/articles/A3506-2000Jul8.html "Lab to Determine if Va. Bees Are Killer Swarm"...any further updates would bee most appreciated! Article 25969 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VA Killer Bees??? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:18:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8kgkhr$krm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.16.44.144 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 12 02:18:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.16.44.144 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25969 In article , "Teri Bachus" wrote: > see the recent thread on "biased media coverage" in this newsgroup, or go > directly to the source at: > http://washingtonpost.com:80/wp-dyn/articles/A3506-2000Jul8.html > "Lab to Determine if Va. Bees Are Killer Swarm"...any further updates would > bee most appreciated! > The news today mentioned something about the hives being burned but that was it. The bees supposedly swarmed all over a goat and killed it and attacked the people trying to rescue the goat. Have not heard results of lab tests. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!atlas.lcc.net!usenet From: "nomad" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: an answer to the 1:1 2:1 fomorula question Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 11:15:45 -0500 Organization: LCC Internet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8kfhb2$iai@atlas.lcc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncgd-pri4-a3.txucom.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25970 I found the following in the Brushy Bee Mnt Catalouge: "To make 1:1 syrup combine one pound of sugar with one pint of water To make 2:1 syrup combine 5 pounds of sugar with 2.5 pints of BOILING water. Always let syrup cool before putting on the [hive]." Article 25971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!1cust112.tnt39.dfw5.da.uu.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: an answer to the 1:1 2:1 fomorula question Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:07:30 -0500 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <8kfhb2$iai@atlas.lcc.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust112.tnt39.dfw5.da.uu.net (63.17.169.112) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 963342450 2533153 63.17.169.112 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25971 This formula has always done well at any time of year, it makes a 'light' syrup. Don't forget the thymol (5cc of 2% thymol sol. per gallon U.S.) which will prevent the solution from fermenting too soon, and apparently is hell on both type of mites. To 3 pounds sugar and water to create one U.S. Gallon. Forget the boiling, it isn't necessary, waste fuel, and time. Word to wise newbies: don't dump a lot of granulated sugar into water and then go off for a drink. You'll have a portland cement like lump in the bottom of your mixing vessel that is very hard to deal with. Granulated sugar really is dangerous stuff and should be a controlled substance, while decriminalizing that other stuff. Best way: put in a half a gallon of water first and continuously stir while pouring in the sugar. Continue to stir the water and sugar until the water 'clears'; after that, add sufficient water to make up one gallon; takes about 5 minutes, add the thymol, feed directly to the bees. C.K. Article 25972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation support pins Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 12 Message-ID: <15016-396BF866-1@storefull-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR6Gj5yFYR8gCZFsRsorGyXkFWcdwIUStbMHpNL2WscMZe7LijkPv9xyhE= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25972 I have good results using pins with medium wax foundation both for cut comb and extracting. One idea for cut comb is to flip the small wood strip from the frame sideways so you can nail through the wax foundation. Use two pins. On one side place the pin in the top hole and on the other place it in the bottom. This helps avoid warping of the foundation. --------------------------------------------------------------- To contact your elected officials see www.vote-smart.org Article 25973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uni-erlangen.de!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!news.telstra.net.nz!news!not-for-mail From: "Carman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ to _manage_ Varroa Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:19:24 +1200 Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 37 Message-ID: <8kh0sd$8f3$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p69.hn2.wave.co.nz X-Trace: news.wave.co.nz 963380941 8675 203.96.192.197 (12 Jul 2000 05:49:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@wave.co.nz NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jul 2000 05:49:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25973 Greetings All Hot of the press !!!!!!! drum roll please Announced today rather than destroy the colonies the NZ Govt has decided to manage Varroa mite. Some time ago posters in this ng said they would email the appropriate people in NZ of their experience and opinions, accordingly i posted some email addresses here.Thanks to anyone who may have followed up on that, every bit helps. Apparently, according to press reports, many beekeepers here are disgruntled by the decision not to exterminate. it is my thought that some of them may have been influenced toward the eradication approach because financial compensation was suggested as part of the eradication plan....then beekeepers could have been compensated for the loss of hives and income. Some of the Beekeepers i have talked to were adamant they wanted all hives destroyed and were advocating the eradication process. I repeated to them as verbatim as i could, the opinions that i had gleaned in this ng, regarding eradication. The MAF officers had also established that the success rate of capturing all of the mite infestations would have been only 50-70% and they considered the cost was too high for that type of marginal success. Time for me to study hard now, i have been sitting back adopting the 'wait and see' attitude while the decision was in the balance, looks like it's time to get cracking !! many thanks also for all the advice and the hope... that there is life after Varroa carman Article 25974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!1cust102.tnt39.dfw5.da.uu.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VA Killer Bees??? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:19:45 -0500 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust102.tnt39.dfw5.da.uu.net (63.17.169.102) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 963415185 2711450 63.17.169.102 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25974 >Paul Harvey had Paul Harvey...ho ho...you won't get the news from Paul Harvey. Better listen to "all things considered" if they do a story about Africanized bees in Virginia that would probably be worth a listen. C.K. Article 25975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!1cust167.tnt35.dfw5.da.uu.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: FYI: Gardeners and Sevin Dust: posted to garden groups Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:39:34 -0500 Lines: 113 Message-ID: References: <20000627144850.01244.00000083@ng-fl1.aol.com> <8jdhtn$ob7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust167.tnt35.dfw5.da.uu.net (63.17.159.167) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 963419975 2680436 63.17.159.167 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25975 Jesse Hunter ask: >What then is a good insecticide to use in my garden? Insecticidal soaps actually work pretty well if your problem is soft-bodied insects like aphids, mealybug, scales, thrips, whiteflies, and mites. My biggest problem here is grasshoppers, however, soap is pretty effective on them especially in the 1st and 2nd instars. (small) as grasshoppers go, soap is slower than say malathion, but small grasshoppers will eventually die. Soap is not good to use on plants with thin cuticles, such as beans, Chinese cabbage, cucumbers, ferns, gardenias, Japanese maples, nasturtiums, and young peas. Tomatoes and potatoes are less susceptible to damage and cabbages are impervious. Soap kills insects on contact by paralyzing them, disrupting membranes, and affecting their growth and development. Beetles are less susceptible to soap, so lady beetles are relatively safe, but soap spray will kill their larvae. home-mixed soap sprays are just as effective as commercial insecticidal soaps like 'safer.' You can use household soaps like 'Ivory Snow', 'Ivory Liquid,' or 'Shakelee's Basic H.' You can also make your own soap with olive oil and lye. olive oil soap: (mix in glass) 3 tablespoons water 4 tablespoons lye (dissolve in water, this mixture will get hot) after lye is dissolved, slowly pour in: 1 cup olive oil while stirring constantly. continue to stir for 5 minutes. pour the soap into plastic (no.2) container or glass this recipe produces 1-1/4 cups of solid soap To make an insecticidal spray: mix from 1 level teaspoon to 1 tablespoon of (the above) soap per gallon (U.S) of rain or distilled water (this is important) If plants are undamaged and insect control is not satisfactory, try doubling the concentration. A good rule is to use no more than three successive sprays on any particular plant because soaps are contact insecticides, spray both upper and lower sides of leaves thoroughly to maximize contact with insects. To avoid leaf damage, spray soap on overcast days or in the evening. There are also Alcohol sprays, garlic oil sprays, and herbal sprays. There is 'hot dust' black pepper, chili pepper, dill, ginger, paprika, and red pepper all contain capsicum, a compound shown to repel insects. There is also 'bug juice' sprays (see EPA warning 1972) but that's another post. From my own experience and the help of 'Rodale's chemical-free yard and garden' 1991 (ISBN 0-87857-951-6 hard cover) >Are there any chemicals that the farmer who is renting this field >from me might use that could hurt my bees? Ask him, tell him your concerns. If he isn't an asshole, as some farmer are, he will tell you when he is going to spray and what and how long it will stay around. You can keep your bees in that day. (using plenty of ventilation, like screened inner covers, and shade and if it is a hot day with several good sprays of water) if he is an 'enlightened farmer' kind of rare I know, but if he is, he will use an insecticide that doesn't stay around long; the best are sprayed in the morning and gone by lunch, of course these cost more than the older compounds that stay around two weeks or longer, sad isn't it. Then Glenn West said: (regarding the safety label on Sevin 'dust' ) >Isn't this kind of like preaching to the choir? Does this suggest that is pointless to tell people they are in violation of pesticide usage (unenforceable laws) if they don't care or don't read? " The National Water Quality Assessment " says that nearly all of the streams and half of the wells sampled in the United States are contaminated with pesticides. Atrazine and Simazine were two of the most common herbicides detected, Diazinon, Chlorpyrifos (Dursban) and Carbaryl (Sevin) were among the most common insecticides. On average, seven to eight pesticides were found in each stream, and levels often exceeded 'safe' drinking water standards. What this tells me (if you choose to believe the NWQA) is that when the rot is at the top nothing that happens down below should be surprising. C.K. - EPA’s SCIENTIFIC ROLE COMES UP FOR A HOUSE HEARING The National Academy of Science released a report suggesting that the EPA needs to develop a new high-level office to take control of the EPA’s scientific activities. The House is holding a hearing this week to examine these recommendations and hear testimony. Although the report concluded that EPA’s scientific practices have improved, its main criticism was that EPA data are manipulated, consciously or unconsciously, to fit public policy. source: www.lcv.org For full profiles of the Dirty Dozen candidates, please visit LCV’s Web site at: http://www.lcv.org/campaigns/index.htm?0622 "Candidates named to the Dirty Dozen share the dishonorable distinction of waging assaults on the environment by catering to corporate polluters and standing in the way of cleaner air and water protections," said LCV political director Betsy Loyless. "We need members of the U.S. Congress who work to give Americans cleaner air to breathe and safer water to drink. These Dirty Dozen candidates put polluters before people and it's time that voters in their states and districts put them out of a job." Article 25976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: an answer to the 1:1 2:1 formula question Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:08:19 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 25 Message-ID: <396CB412.36B1DD3B@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8kfhb2$iai@atlas.lcc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25976 Charlie Kroeger wrote: > This formula has always done well at any time of year, it makes a 'light' > syrup. Don't forget the thymol (5cc of 2% thymol sol. per gallon U.S.) > > , add the thymol, feed directly to the bees. > > C.K. - and please don't sell any "honey" produced this way. -- John ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA Tucson, Arizona 85719 http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 25977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ to _manage_ Varroa Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:12:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8kh0sd$8f3$1@news.wave.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 963443598 nnrp-12:14426 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 30 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25977 In article <8kh0sd$8f3$1@news.wave.co.nz>, Carman writes >Greetings All >Hot of the press !!!!!!! >drum roll please > >Announced today rather than destroy the colonies the NZ Govt has decided to >manage Varroa mite. Excellent news. >Some time ago posters in this ng said they would email the appropriate >people in NZ of their experience and opinions, accordingly i posted some >email addresses here.Thanks to anyone who may have followed up on that, >every bit helps. I sent 3. Two were returned as undeliverable. One got through. I had a considered reply. >The MAF officers had also established that the success rate of capturing all >of the mite infestations would have been only 50-70% exactly. > and they considered the >cost was too high for that type of marginal success. exactly. >Time for me to study hard now, i have been sitting back adopting the 'wait >and see' attitude while the decision was in the balance, looks like it's >time to get cracking !! > >many thanks also for all the advice >and the hope... that there is life after Varroa Indeed. -- James Kilty Article 25978 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Rodney Isom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is it honey yet? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:09:25 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 37 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Rodney Isom" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25978 Hi again, I posted this on 7/1 and then had to go to Mexico until today, and don't see my message on the group. I've had problems with getting stuff to post correctly the first time, so if you've already seen this & replied, please post your replies again. If this is the first time, thanks in advance for the advice. Rodney ****Original posting***** Hi folks, It's the beginning beekeeper again. I have extracted my first super of honey & it's a good bit thinner than some other honey I've gotten from other places, but I would estimate 85% of the comb was capped and none would shake out of the open cells when I tried. (I believe the honey flow ended before all the cells were filled and capped.) Did I extract too early or is some honey just thinner than others? Does capped always mean ripe? Also, I'm in north Alabama & the honey is light colored with a pretty mild taste. Any idea of what kind of flower(s) it came from? Thanks for the advice, Rodney ****************** Rodney Isom Arab, AL rodneyi@noooospam.hiwaay.net (remove the obvious part to reply) Article 25979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does age matter on plastic foundation? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:59:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3969F008.CEFD573A@nospam.boeing.com> <27Ga5.13092$BS1.352435@brie.direct.ca> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25979 I've found that plasticell, ritecell and permadent get drawn out by my italians when I'm either feeding them or there is a good flow on. The advantages definitely, IMHO, outweigh the cons. We had a couple of frames with wax moth damage last year and just scraped the comb down to the plastic and, voila, a couple of days later new, white comb was there. Chris 85 hives of plastic-loving italians in NE Iowa www.greathoney.com "N Gravel" wrote in message news:27Ga5.13092$BS1.352435@brie.direct.ca... > Age would matter if your foundation has become brittle. > When there is a "good flow", bees will draw "anything" but one way you > can help them is by spraying sugared water on the frames. > I think I would call it more a lack of patience than a failure. > As for swarming, adding a super of foundation won't solve your problem. > And sometimes, anything you do won't stop them to swarm, but you can always > try as best you can with other swarm control techniques. > Unless you increase the amount of your colonies next year, you will have > drawn combs to play with instead of foundation, and life will be easier, Use > those caught new swarm to draw, they're always keen to do so. > I might be wrong because bees are bees but I hope this will help > Normand > > Article 25980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." Subject: Re-Queening Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:16:15 -0700 Lines: 20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <#VK3kgG7$GA.288@cpmsnbbsa09> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust26.tnt10.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.28.26 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa09 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25980 I know I read here a thread about re-queening, but cannot find it now. What is the recommendation for how much time (hours/days) before installing a new queen to remove the queen you are replacing? If it is too many days, will it be more difficult to get the new queen accepted? I've got a queen ordered and now have the daunting task of finding the unmarked queen buried in the mass of ornery bees, whose stinky attitude I'm hoping to improve. I ordered a buckfast queen. Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. Article 25981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 From: "gene/janice" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fertile Queen? Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 19:15:56 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8kjamb02u7d@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ridge.spiritone.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25981 Captured a swarm of 6+ pounds. About 10 days ago there were several frames of sealed brood so I put a honey super on top of 2 deeps. Went in today, the 2 deeps are full of honey and bees are into the super but no sealed brood. There was one circle of brood about 4 inches in dia. on one side of one frame. Some very small on up to almost ready to cap. No drone brood. I caged the quite large, healthy looking queen and put a frame of brood from another hive in there. My question is---how do I know if the old queen is any good? Could this be a young queen just starting. So much to learn. Could someone help me please Gene. Article 25982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queening Message-ID: <396dba55.226910765@west.usenetserver.com> References: <#VK3kgG7$GA.288@cpmsnbbsa09> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 33 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:49:06 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:50:31 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25982 I would introduce the new queen into a 4 frame nuc and get her laying. Then put all 4 frames in the hive you are requeening. If you have problems finding the queen in a large colony you can put an empty box above a queen excluder and shake the frames. Workers will quicky go back down into their hive leaving queen on excluder. Dave On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:16:15 -0700, "J & N F." wrote: >I know I read here a thread about re-queening, but cannot find it now. What is >the recommendation for how much time (hours/days) before installing a new >queen to remove the queen you are replacing? If it is too many days, will it >be more difficult to get the new queen accepted? I've got a queen ordered and >now have the daunting task of finding the unmarked queen buried in the mass of >ornery bees, whose stinky attitude I'm hoping to improve. I ordered a >buckfast queen. > >Niki > >-- > > >J & N F. > >Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; >Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > > Article 25983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!do.de.uu.net!nr-do2.de.uu.net!businessnews.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Doris" Sender: "Doris" Reply-To: "Doris" Subject: !!! NEW FREE PUBLIC WEB BASED NEWS SERVER INCL.sci.agriculture.beekeeping.!!! Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-User-Info: 195.127.209.65 195.127.209.65 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: news.giniss.net Message-ID: <396db406@news.giniss.net> Date: 13 Jul 2000 14:20:22 +0100 Lines: 8 Organization: Customer of UUNET Deutschland GmbH NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.127.209.3 X-Trace: businessnews.de.uu.net 963497598 8337 195.127.209.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25983 Where? http://www.giniss.net/ enjoy Doris Article 25984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!atlas.lcc.net!usenet From: "nomad" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-go Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 01:49:17 -0500 Organization: LCC Internet Lines: 47 Message-ID: <8kjot3$buq@atlas.lcc.net> References: <0UK95.6$Hg4.721@jump.innerx.net> <20000709090249.04648.00002633@ng-fj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncgd-pri1-a34.txucom.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25984 "SomeOne" wrote in message news:SW3a5.7$Hg4.1142@jump.innerx.net... > In article <20000709090249.04648.00002633@ng-fj1.aol.com>, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > >> You can get it from any of the bee catalogs if you can't get it at your > >>regular dealer. Bee-Go and Honey Robber are the same chemical except Honey > >>Robber adds a bit of a cherry smell added to it to make it nicer for humans. > >> > >> > > I think they call it liquid Smoke too. They works. I remove super with full of > >honey and took another lid with a filter cloth( after spray Bee-go on it) on > >the inside and lay it up aging the super, Lord behold, The bees jump out other > >side like craze and fast as it can be.They really hate that smell. > >Spray it at the shop before you take it at the site that way you won't spill > >any inside your hive. > >Brushy Mountain have it for $9.25 per pint. > > No Liquid Smoke is a different product. It is designed to mimic the smell of > smoke and they add wintergreen oil to it claiming it calms the bees so you can > work with them. > I had some and it was 'ok' . I still prefer my smoker, but if I was in a real > fire prone area I might consider it as a sub. Liquid smoke is alright i guess for keeping them calm but it sure doesn't turn them around or move them out of your way like the real thing. Next time i need some LS i'm going to just mix up that supermarket liquid smoke (from the cooking aisle) and maybe add some spearmint oil. I think that it would be more economical than the $30 concentrate i purchased. -- to : My email mirrors my name: damon :: nomad Article 25985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <#VK3kgG7$GA.288@cpmsnbbsa09> <396dba55.226910765@west.usenetserver.com> Subject: Re: Re-Queening Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:23:34 -0700 Lines: 75 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <#mIHb8O7$GA.328@cpmsnbbsa08> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust115.tnt9.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.26.115 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa08 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25985 Thank you, sounds good. I kind of figured I'd have to set up a nuc, especially after we spent an hour last evening trying to find the queen, to no avail. The nuc should have frames of honey/pollen & brood, & extra bees, correct? I have a small 5-frame box just right for this. How far from the existing hive should I set the nuc up, so the bees don't all run back to the existing hive? As far as finding the old queen, just so I understand, I have two hive bodies in the existing hive, the brood nest is in the bottom. I should take maybe the top hive body, set it on a bottom board, then place a queen excluder above it. Then set the bottom hive body above that, and remove the frames one at a time, brushing the bees onto the queen excluder? If that part is correct, should I do this at the same time I've set up the nuc, or should I wait until some specified time before I'm ready to introduce the 4 frame nuc back into the remaining colony? I do appreciate your help, I keep re-reading applicable sections in the books I have, but am inexperienced, so unsure of what I'm doing. I'm nursing a very swollen ankle today from yesterdays interaction with them. When I bend & move, sometimes the bee suit pulls upward and exposes my ankles (even though it seems plenty big). Yesterday I thought I was smart & duct taped the coveralls to the shoe. That was even worse, since when it pulled up, the duct tape kept me from pulling the coveralls back down over the shoe & it was hard to get hold of the tape with the gloves on! So the little stinkers kept stinging until I finally got the duct tape off. Oh well! Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "Dave Hamilton" wrote in message news:396dba55.226910765@west.usenetserver.com... > I would introduce the new queen into a 4 frame nuc and get her laying. > Then put all 4 frames in the hive you are requeening. > > If you have problems finding the queen in a large colony you can put > an empty box above a queen excluder and shake the frames. Workers will > quicky go back down into their hive leaving queen on excluder. > > Dave > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:16:15 -0700, "J & N F." > wrote: > > >I know I read here a thread about re-queening, but cannot find it now. What is > >the recommendation for how much time (hours/days) before installing a new > >queen to remove the queen you are replacing? If it is too many days, will it > >be more difficult to get the new queen accepted? I've got a queen ordered and > >now have the daunting task of finding the unmarked queen buried in the mass of > >ornery bees, whose stinky attitude I'm hoping to improve. I ordered a > >buckfast queen. > > > >Niki > > > >-- > > > > > >J & N F. > > > >Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; > >Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > > > > > > > > Article 25986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <396E0EC0.C5995587@cybertours.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:47:29 -0400 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Managing Your Bees For the Next 9 Months Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.149 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.149 X-Trace: 13 Jul 2000 14:41:45 -0500, 64.208.65.149 Lines: 18 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.149 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25986 Greetings! George Imirie's "Managing Your Bees For the Next 9 Months " is located here: http://www.cybertours.com/%7Emidnitebee/html/July2000.htm Herb/Norma Bee Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 25987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <#VK3kgG7$GA.288@cpmsnbbsa09> <396dba55.226910765@west.usenetserver.com> <#mIHb8O7$GA.328@cpmsnbbsa08> Subject: Re: Re-Queening Lines: 110 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <_jnb5.112$tI4.5138@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:50:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 963510650 12.72.43.83 (Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:50:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:50:50 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25987 You will need to locate the queen when you set up the nuc. Don't want to get her in the nuc. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "J & N F." wrote in message news:#mIHb8O7$GA.328@cpmsnbbsa08... > Thank you, sounds good. I kind of figured I'd have to set up a nuc, > especially after we spent an hour last evening trying to find the queen, to no > avail. The nuc should have frames of honey/pollen & brood, & extra bees, > correct? I have a small 5-frame box just right for this. How far from the > existing hive should I set the nuc up, so the bees don't all run back to the > existing hive? As far as finding the old queen, just so I understand, I have > two hive bodies in the existing hive, the brood nest is in the bottom. I > should take maybe the top hive body, set it on a bottom board, then place a > queen excluder above it. Then set the bottom hive body above that, and remove > the frames one at a time, brushing the bees onto the queen excluder? If that > part is correct, should I do this at the same time I've set up the nuc, or > should I wait until some specified time before I'm ready to introduce the 4 > frame nuc back into the remaining colony? I do appreciate your help, I keep > re-reading applicable sections in the books I have, but am inexperienced, so > unsure of what I'm doing. I'm nursing a very swollen ankle today from > yesterdays interaction with them. When I bend & move, sometimes the bee suit > pulls upward and exposes my ankles (even though it seems plenty big). > Yesterday I thought I was smart & duct taped the coveralls to the shoe. That > was even worse, since when it pulled up, the duct tape kept me from pulling > the coveralls back down over the shoe & it was hard to get hold of the tape > with the gloves on! So the little stinkers kept stinging until I finally got > the duct tape off. Oh well! > > Niki > -- > > > J & N F. > > Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; > Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > > "Dave Hamilton" wrote in message > news:396dba55.226910765@west.usenetserver.com... > > I would introduce the new queen into a 4 frame nuc and get her laying. > > Then put all 4 frames in the hive you are requeening. > > > > If you have problems finding the queen in a large colony you can put > > an empty box above a queen excluder and shake the frames. Workers will > > quicky go back down into their hive leaving queen on excluder. > > > > Dave > > > > On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:16:15 -0700, "J & N F." > > wrote: > > > > >I know I read here a thread about re-queening, but cannot find it now. What > is > > >the recommendation for how much time (hours/days) before installing a new > > >queen to remove the queen you are replacing? If it is too many days, will > it > > >be more difficult to get the new queen accepted? I've got a queen ordered > and > > >now have the daunting task of finding the unmarked queen buried in the mass > of > > >ornery bees, whose stinky attitude I'm hoping to improve. I ordered a > > >buckfast queen. > > > > > >Niki > > > > > >-- > > > > > > > > >J & N F. > > > > > >Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; > > >Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 25988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8kjamb02u7d@enews2.newsguy.com> Subject: Re: Fertile Queen? Lines: 38 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:45:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.43.83 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 963510326 12.72.43.83 (Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:45:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:45:26 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25988 You'll never know if she is any good if you cage her. What was the reason for caging her and introducing a frame of brood from another colony? We are missing some information in your post. Are you seeing any eggs? How long before your inspection of 10 days ago did you hive the swarm? Is there any evidence of queen rearing such as empty queen cells? It is impossible to determine from the information you provide whether or not it is possible that this is a new queen. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "gene/janice" wrote in message news:8kjamb02u7d@enews2.newsguy.com... > Captured a swarm of 6+ pounds. About 10 days ago there were several > frames of sealed brood so I put a honey super on top of 2 deeps. > Went in today, the 2 deeps are full of honey and bees are into the super but > no sealed brood. There was one circle of brood about 4 inches in dia. on > one side of one frame. Some very small on up to almost ready to cap. No > drone brood. I caged the quite large, healthy looking queen and put a > frame > of brood from another hive in there. My question is---how do I know if the > old > queen is any good? Could this be a young queen just starting. So much > to > learn. Could someone help me please > > Gene. > > Article 25989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsxfer.visi.net!209.98.98.64.MISMATCH!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news4.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <396E3262.F1151963@lightspeed.net> From: Sharon Pollack Reply-To: playadeo@lightspeed.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: how long do you feed bees? References: <396E0EC0.C5995587@cybertours.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E56A2975C590739114C0BE92" Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:14:56 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-6a0gB5fawnPvz94UlRe0oU+1AmPB+LI+CLiocaKTM5z8j4cPGrjb129ZQ2AWD0YFQcp6mhjQYCkPXI3!ppZ/XYe1dn+5IVDPOEzrRwc+oOu4UNVb X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:19:31 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25989 --------------E56A2975C590739114C0BE92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have six hives and live in the San Joaquin Valley. I got my hives about three months ago. I bought 4 established hives, and picked up 2 swarms. I have been feeding my bees sugar water. How do I stop feeding them. They are healthy and very busy. Thank you, Sharon --------------E56A2975C590739114C0BE92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  I have six hives and live in the San Joaquin Valley.  I got my hives about three months ago.  I bought 4 established hives, and picked up 2 swarms.  I have been feeding my bees sugar water.  How do I stop feeding them.  They are healthy and very busy.
Thank you, Sharon --------------E56A2975C590739114C0BE92-- Article 25990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queening Message-ID: <396e2e13.256540765@west.usenetserver.com> References: <#VK3kgG7$GA.288@cpmsnbbsa09> <396dba55.226910765@west.usenetserver.com> <#mIHb8O7$GA.328@cpmsnbbsa08> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 89 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:04:12 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:05:37 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25990 If you put brood into the nuc and shake bees into the nuc box through the QE, the field bees will drift back to their hive but the nurse bees will stay with the brood, I have my nucs set right by the hive this way. Young nurse bees are more likely to accept your new expensive queen. The bees will need the nector and pollen frames in the nuc. You can leave the frames of capped honey with the field bees in the original hive. Dave On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 10:23:34 -0700, "J & N F." wrote: >Thank you, sounds good. I kind of figured I'd have to set up a nuc, >especially after we spent an hour last evening trying to find the queen, to no >avail. The nuc should have frames of honey/pollen & brood, & extra bees, >correct? I have a small 5-frame box just right for this. How far from the >existing hive should I set the nuc up, so the bees don't all run back to the >existing hive? As far as finding the old queen, just so I understand, I have >two hive bodies in the existing hive, the brood nest is in the bottom. I >should take maybe the top hive body, set it on a bottom board, then place a >queen excluder above it. Then set the bottom hive body above that, and remove >the frames one at a time, brushing the bees onto the queen excluder? If that >part is correct, should I do this at the same time I've set up the nuc, or >should I wait until some specified time before I'm ready to introduce the 4 >frame nuc back into the remaining colony? I do appreciate your help, I keep >re-reading applicable sections in the books I have, but am inexperienced, so >unsure of what I'm doing. I'm nursing a very swollen ankle today from >yesterdays interaction with them. When I bend & move, sometimes the bee suit >pulls upward and exposes my ankles (even though it seems plenty big). >Yesterday I thought I was smart & duct taped the coveralls to the shoe. That >was even worse, since when it pulled up, the duct tape kept me from pulling >the coveralls back down over the shoe & it was hard to get hold of the tape >with the gloves on! So the little stinkers kept stinging until I finally got >the duct tape off. Oh well! > >Niki >-- > > >J & N F. > >Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; >Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > >"Dave Hamilton" wrote in message >news:396dba55.226910765@west.usenetserver.com... >> I would introduce the new queen into a 4 frame nuc and get her laying. >> Then put all 4 frames in the hive you are requeening. >> >> If you have problems finding the queen in a large colony you can put >> an empty box above a queen excluder and shake the frames. Workers will >> quicky go back down into their hive leaving queen on excluder. >> >> Dave >> >> On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:16:15 -0700, "J & N F." >> wrote: >> >> >I know I read here a thread about re-queening, but cannot find it now. What >is >> >the recommendation for how much time (hours/days) before installing a new >> >queen to remove the queen you are replacing? If it is too many days, will >it >> >be more difficult to get the new queen accepted? I've got a queen ordered >and >> >now have the daunting task of finding the unmarked queen buried in the mass >of >> >ornery bees, whose stinky attitude I'm hoping to improve. I ordered a >> >buckfast queen. >> > >> >Niki >> > >> >-- >> > >> > >> >J & N F. >> > >> >Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; >> >Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > Article 25991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!not-for-mail From: "Diane Christison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in Scotland Date: 13 Jul 2000 21:07:18 GMT Organization: RemarQ http://www.remarQ.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <01bfed0e$516d35e0$5908063e@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.6.8.89 X-Trace: 963522438 LGTBT6QCL08593E06C uk21.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarq.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25991 My email address is dianechristison@lineone.net and not the address which appeared on the previous message. Any replies should be sent to this address. Thanks Diane ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------- Hello, I am a beekeeper in the North East of Scotland. I wonder if there are any other Scottish Beekeepers who read this newsgroup? My father and I have 9 hives between us. This year has so far been a really bad season for us with poor honey production presumably due to the bad weather. Another strange thing is that none of our hives are producing queen cells which is really unusual for this time of year. Two of the hives are not doing very well and we are having to feed them. I'd like to hear from any other Scottish Beekeepers who are experiencing similar problems? Diane Article 25992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it honey yet? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:12:41 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <8klesc$5hj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.207.61 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 13 22:12:41 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.207.61 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25992 In article , "Rodney Isom" wrote: > Hi again, > > I posted this on 7/1 and then had to go to Mexico until today, and don't see my message on the group. ... Did I extract too early or is some > honey just thinner than others? Does capped always mean ripe? > > Also, I'm in north Alabama & the honey is light colored with a pretty mild taste. Any idea of what kind of flower(s) it came from? > > Thanks for the advice, > Rodney > Hi Rodney, Just returned from a trip to NM and Colo to find your question. I'm in southern Alabama (actually the panhandle of Florida), but I'm sure we have many of the same plants. Our honey is lighter and milder in summer and comes from ti-ti, gallberry, and probably Magnolia and Crepe Myrtle blooms. You may have extracted too soon. Even when the main honey flow is over the bees will continue to fill frames and cap cells. I'd wait until the whole frame is capped. We took some bees out of a wall recently and mistakenly mixed uncapped and capped honey. It was very thin. Hope this helps, Herb Campbell e-mail Vasak@aol.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VA Killer Bees??? Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 2000 00:52:35 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000713205235.16474.00000659@ng-fj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25993 Hi Guys, Alleghany County in not too far from us. The Samples was sent to Va. Tech. and then forwarded to a lab in Maryland for DNA analysis. They said the resultal may take several weeks. Richard Fell, an entomologist at Va. Tech and the resident bee specialist, said he has seen nothing to indiacate that the bee were anything other than garden variety European honeybees, but he needs conclusibve results from the lab before he can be certain. Fell said European honeybees hives can react aggressively to stimuli under the right cirumstances. " Certain hives can be aggressive, particularly if there's not much in the way of a nectar flow. When they're actively collecting nectar they tend to be happy little bees," Said Fell. " The condition have been a little slow lately". What this amounts to, said Fell, is a sort of "cabin fever". Fell and Day poured a cup of gasoline inside the bee boxes and closed the lid, trapping the colony inside. Fell said there is no reason to set a hive on fire as gasoline fumes will kill the colony. I will keep ya'll post for an update as soon we heard something. Over here this week, The worker drive all the Drone out and kill few of it. I think the nectar is getting real slow here because of all the rain and cloudy that we have this pass two month. Oh, BTW, My bees are still friendy as so far. Tim Article 25994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Edward L. Hope, Jr." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beginner Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:08:29 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.79.198.213 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 963536909 12.79.198.213 (Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:08:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 01:08:29 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25994 Am interested in beekeeping as a hobby and was interested in starting this year. What I'm finding out is that most bee suppliers will not ship bees after June. Is it too late to start this year? Any suggestions on getting started? Was thinking about getting some beginners books - any suggested titles? Any help/suggestions/comments would be greatly appreciated. Can respond directly to my email address: Jaxjaguarz@worldnet.att.net Thanks! Eddie Richmond, Virginia Article 25995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cross combs Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 2000 01:16:49 GMT References: <8jj19f$rq8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000713211649.16474.00000665@ng-fj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25995 >Pierco is the name of a company that makes all plastic >frames/foundations, in one piece. the bees don't all do well in >plastic. Are you using plastic foundation then? >Mike No, it was all homemade wood frame. I think I know what cause it, Some of the bees cheat on their work was eating foundation and when down to the brood chamber to build combs and others build combs cross way because there is no foundation up there. Article 25996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uninett.no!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Capped mix uncapped? Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 2000 01:29:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000713212908.16468.00000649@ng-fj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25996 I check the Super today and there were 85% capped, and 15% bottom is not capped. If I shake it or bump it to see if it still wet, if not. Is it safe to take the honey or should I wait few more week? The honey is all clear white and has a white combs, It was never was sugar feeds. Boy, I can't wait to taste it. Rackon it would be worth more than a Sour wood? Tim Article 25997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 21:47:03 EDT From: Subject: RE: VA Killer Bees/thanks Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.202.0.25 X-Trace: 13 Jul 2000 21:44:56 -0500, 198.202.0.25 Lines: 14 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!news.umbc.edu!news.ums.edu!cisnws.ubalt.edu!UBMAIL!ftekpuentes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25997 I just wanted to hear the story from those more experienced than I. I know that the verdict is still out but thank you all for leading me in the direction of where to find the facts when they are available. thanks, joseph in NC Article 25998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.austin.rr.com!cyclone2.austin.rr.com!typhoon.austin.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Robert Talk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beginner Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:25:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.27.124.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.austin.rr.com 963545108 24.27.124.132 (Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:25:08 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:25:08 CDT Organization: Road Runner - Texas Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25998 I bought mine in June from Draper Super Bee (www.draperbee.com) and I think York Bee Company (www.yorkbee.com) might have bees for sale. Robert Edward L. Hope, Jr. wrote in message news:hKtb5.1968$tI4.100427@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Am interested in beekeeping as a hobby and was interested in starting this > year. What I'm finding out is that most bee suppliers will not ship bees > after June. Is it too late to start this year? Any suggestions on getting > started? Was thinking about getting some beginners books - any suggested > titles? Any help/suggestions/comments would be greatly appreciated. Can > respond directly to my email address: Jaxjaguarz@worldnet.att.net > > Thanks! > Eddie > Richmond, Virginia > > Article 25999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: craig1966@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queening Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 02:35:48 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8klua3$ge9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <#VK3kgG7$GA.288@cpmsnbbsa09> <396dba55.226910765@west.usenetserver.com> <#mIHb8O7$GA.328@cpmsnbbsa08> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.99.182.152 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 14 02:35:48 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98; formatnec) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.99.182.152 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDcraig1966 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25999 Niki, I know bees up the britches are no fun. I now wear tube socks of some sort and pull them up over the bottom of the bee suit pant legs. Good luck from a fellow beginner. Craig Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Scotland Message-ID: References: <01bfed0a$f36e2100$5908063e@default> <8knm7h$cbr$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 10 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:38:32 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:34:57 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26000 In article <8knm7h$cbr$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, davidhennessey@nittin.freeserve.co.uk says... > Do you sell your honey, what do you do with the wax > are there any bee groups where you live ? > > Moi, I distributed my honeycomb harvest out of my top bar hive last month to my eight neighbors on our little cul-de-sac. I am also humbled by what the bees can do. Pete @ Socal. Article 26001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000710135648.02311.00000534@ng-cb1.aol.com> <20000714093147.13955.00000650@ng-fs1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Does age matter on plastic foundation? Lines: 22 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:51:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.40.68 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 963597093 12.72.40.68 (Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:51:33 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:51:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26001 I wish I had a digital camera. I would send you some pics of some Pierco that might change your mind. Worker cells to the four corners. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "JPA555" wrote in message news:20000714093147.13955.00000650@ng-fs1.aol.com... > I have seen alot of Durgilt that was drawn out quite nice and I have seen some > that was pretty bad but I haven't see any Pierco that was drawn out that would > pass my inspections..... I guess that I am just spoiled with crimped wire > foundation it is alot more work but well worth it > Jim Article 26002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "David Hennessey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Scotland Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:28:09 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 47 Message-ID: <8knm7h$cbr$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <01bfed0a$f36e2100$5908063e@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-43.gold.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 963599409 12667 62.136.59.43 (14 Jul 2000 18:30:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 2000 18:30:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26002 Well hello a fellow Scottish bee keeper at last. I totally agree with what you said about this year apart from having a swarm at the beginning of May (yes! the 1st. May). My thoughts on this, for what it's worth is surely the bees only produce Q/cells when there is adequate honey stores/production. This also bring in the question of the weather. Bees are attuned to it and surely they must know that good weather is needed for a mating flight. Could it be that there was some Q/cells made but when the weather wasn't quite right were broken down. I have observed this myself. What a wealth of local information we could have if there was a Scottish or regional web site for us. I'm no expert (you may have gathered) but just an observer and happy to be. I am humbled at what the bees can do and happy to let them do it. I have four hive in three different areas and been bee keeping for five years now and love it. Do you sell your honey, what do you do with the wax are there any bee groups where you live ? Hope to hear from you soon. David (10 miles from Edinburgh) Charles Cameron wrote in message news:01bfed0a$f36e2100$5908063e@default... > Hello, > > I am a beekeeper in the North East of Scotland. I wonder if there are any > other Scottish Beekeepers who read this newsgroup? > > My father and I have 9 hives between us. This year has so far been a > really bad season for us with poor honey production presumably due to the > bad weather. Another strange thing is that none of our hives are producing > queen cells which is really unusual for this time of year. Two of the > hives are not doing very well and we are having to feed them. > > I'd like to hear from any other Scottish Beekeepers who are experiencing > similar problems? > > > > Diane Article 26003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VA Killer Bees??? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:38:26 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 43 Message-ID: <396F6C30.6B5A4CE5@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <20000713205235.16474.00000659@ng-fj1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26003 Blue Taz37 wrote: > Hi Guys, > Alleghany County is not too far from us. The Samples was sent to Va. Tech. and > then forwarded to a lab in Maryland for DNA analysis. They said the results > may take several weeks. A little background info : When DNA tests were proposed to identify africanized bees, the main selling point was speed, with reports of 40-50 samples per day completed. The funding was supplied on this basis, even though the DNA test results are sometimes difficult to understand. Two small questions : With a sample this important, why wasn't it sent to one of the several U.S. federal and state labs with specialists in USDAID, the standard morphometrics program ? The DNA could always be done as a backup, and, to the best of my knowledge, USDAID is still the "Supreme Court" for honey bee identification. The samples can be dissected, mounted, analysed, and transmitted back to the locality within one day in serious cases (fatal stingings, mass attacks). Was the simple, do-it-anywhere FABIS (Fast Africanized Bee Identification System) analysis developed at Baton Rouge, LA, used on these bees ? If not, why not ? It involves simple wing length and width measurements, and although not as reliable as USDAID, it will surely work on "pioneering swarms", which occur in advance of the main colonization, and are usually pure african. This analysis can easily be done on a ten-bee sample within one hour, and is often used to determine whether to devote one day's time to USDAID. Basically, the difference between these two tests (USDAID and DNA) is analogous to the two human identification tests, fingerprinting and DNA. ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 26004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Kernohan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Time for a super? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:22:34 +0100 Organization: (Posted via) GTS Netcom. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8ko05j$p3p$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-26-83.netcomuk.co.uk X-Trace: taliesin2.netcom.net.uk 963609587 25721 194.42.235.83 (14 Jul 2000 21:19:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@corp.netcom.net.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jul 2000 21:19:47 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26004 I'm a brand new and indeed accidental beekeeper, having had a prime swarm land in the garden in early June which I have subsequently hived in a British National. I gave them 11 frames of foundation and from week 2 on have had a block of bee candy in over the glass quilt as the summer here in the UK has been unreliable, wet and cold. As of last weekend, they had established well with the extreme end frame on either end still untouched, but the inner face of the next frame in on either side being drawn out. There's plenty of brood and they are storing some honey. When should I put on a super? I've read that I'm not likely to be able to remove honey this year but want them to store enough from the late July/August flowering to be able to tide them over the winter. Supplementary question - should I assume that I have to requeen next spring? Opinion seems to be divided as to whether it's an old or young queen that will have been in the swarm, but with the balance on the old queen. I live in South East London (and have made contact with the Bromley Beekeepers Club who have been very helpful). Anyone know where I can buy second hand kit eg a second hive and supers for this one? Thanks SJL Article 26005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!skynet.be!208.171.248.21.MISMATCH!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "gene/janice" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fertile Queen? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 22:11:31 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8km9eh02v4i@enews1.newsguy.com> References: <8kjamb02u7d@enews2.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ridge.spiritone.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26005 George, I caged her to to be out of he way when I added the brood with eggs. Was that wrong ? Later had 2nd thoughts so asked for advice. I put the queen in another hive to be feed. The swarm had been hived about a month and as I said there were several frames of capped brood 10 days ago. Now nothing except that small circle that had very small to large brood. My eyes can see the V. mite ok but I couldn't see any eggs in that circle. There were no complete queen cells but 2 started about 1/4 inch deep or less. Hope that helps. Thanks so much. Gene George Styer wrote in message ... >You'll never know if she is any good if you cage her. What was the reason >for caging her and introducing a frame of brood from another colony? We are >missing some information in your post. Are you seeing any eggs? How long >before your inspection of 10 days ago did you hive the swarm? Is there any >evidence of queen rearing such as empty queen cells? It is impossible to >determine from the information you provide whether or not it is possible >that this is a new queen. > >-- >Geo >Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley >"Honey is sweet but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > >"gene/janice" wrote in message >news:8kjamb02u7d@enews2.newsguy.com... >> Captured a swarm of 6+ pounds. About 10 days ago there were several >> frames of sealed brood so I put a honey super on top of 2 deeps. >> Went in today, the 2 deeps are full of honey and bees are into the super >but >> no sealed brood. There was one circle of brood about 4 inches in dia. on >> one side of one frame. Some very small on up to almost ready to cap. No >> drone brood. I caged the quite large, healthy looking queen and put a >> frame >> of brood from another hive in there. My question is---how do I know if >the >> old >> queen is any good? Could this be a young queen just starting. So much >> to >> learn. Could someone help me please >> >> Gene. >> >> > > Article 26006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.zetnet.net!master.news.zetnet.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <2000071423300275982@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:30:02 +0100 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Phil Gurr X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.25k 10003987 Subject: Re: Beekeeping in Scotland References: <01bfed0e$516d35e0$5908063e@default> Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: deansgate.zetnet.co.uk X-Trace: news.zetnet.co.uk 963614726 31677 194.247.47.23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26006 The message <01bfed0e$516d35e0$5908063e@default> from "Diane Christison" contains these words: > I'd like to hear from any other Scottish Beekeepers who are experiencing > similar problems? Terrible year for bees here in the far north (Sutherland), mainly due to the very low temperatures. Feeding all four of my hives at the moment. One small swarm in early June, wrapped itself round the trunk of a young birch tree and stayed there for ten days despite being within 20 feet of a prepared `bait' hive. Finally moved into the hive when the weather turned really foul, but even with feeding seem unlikely to survive this year. Phil. Article 26007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <396D113E.A2840EAF@connect.ab.ca> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:46:02 -0600 From: Joe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: WTB Used Honey Extractor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp0138.connect.ab.ca X-Trace: 12 Jul 2000 18:42:28 -0600, ppp0138.connect.ab.ca Lines: 6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!hekyl.ab.tac.net!skylite.connect.ab.ca!ppp0138.connect.ab.ca Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26007 I need a small inexpensive extractor, for full size frames. Joe Edmonton Alberta Canada. Article 26008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bob Rush" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39677B06.2427F072@crosslink.net> Subject: Re: 6 full supers evaporated Lines: 62 Organization: RushWood Apiary X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:34:51 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.41.50.155 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 963574473 64.41.50.155 (Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:34:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:34:33 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26008 This happened to me also..... The only thing we can think of is the hive swarmed...after the swarm new workers hatched....drones take longer to hatch so thats why you see only drone brude. They then hatched a queen and the bees ate the honey to make room for her egg laying. Just an idea! L.E.G. wrote in message <39677B06.2427F072@crosslink.net>... >Greetings, >Can someone help me sort out what happened, I will try to make it short. > >This has been an excellent year in this area,( 50 miles south of >Washington D.C. in Va.).Plenty of rain, warm temps, everything was as >good as it gets,BUT I did a little >experimentation, I'll explain!! >I have 6 hives of Buckfast bees,normally I do all the swarm prevention >thatmost people do and alittle more with good results (only 1 hive >swarmed this year). >After swarm season is over I have a year to think of something new to >try to help >reduce swarming. Last year it was "waiting 2 weeks after putting on >supers to add >queen excluders"( making sure the queen has not moved up). the reason >for this is >in the past I have noticed that if the workers are reluctant to move up >through the excluder,they soon get crowded and swarm. The idea is to let >them move freely >into the supers and become complacent, then add the restriction of the >excluder. >Well all this worked well this year as with last year, the new thing I >tried this year >was( new to me ) not to add queen excluder, just supers. So 5 hives had >excluders 1 did not. This hive was to say the least prolific. 6 supers >of capped and uncapped honey amonth ago.NOW the problems start!!! The >honey flow was over the last time I checked there were 4 capped supers 2 >uncapped, approx...At that time I noticed a small patch (palm sized) of >worker and drone brood on one of the uncapped frames, and thought that >was going to be it.Over the past couple of weeks I noticed a reduction >of workers bearding on the outside of hive, so it was time for >inspection. Well to my surprise when I opened the hive to see masses of >drones and drone comb,AND almost all the honey capped and uncapped >GONE!!! This was my most populated hive so robbing is not a >consideration. The only thing I can think of is the mass of Drones ate >it. From 6 supers to 3, the rest was full of drones.Maybe the queen >failed or was superseded anyway I could not find my marked queen ( or >any queen that day) but there is normal amounts of worker brood, so >there is a queen there. Another thing not right here, for being such a >prolific queen and such a high pop. of workers, and such a good >honeyflow this year, the stores in the brood chambers are also gone, >nothing... >Can anyone shed some light on what may have happened, I am not disturbed >by this but I consider this another learning experience.. >Thanks >L.E.G. > > Article 26009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: how long do you feed bees? Message-ID: <396f0693.311964250@west.usenetserver.com> References: <396E0EC0.C5995587@cybertours.com> <396E3262.F1151963@lightspeed.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 34 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:24:17 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:25:42 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26009 When there is a nector flow on, they will stop eating the syrup you feed them. Dave On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:19:31 -0700, Sharon Pollack wrote: > >--------------E56A2975C590739114C0BE92 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I have six hives and live in the San Joaquin Valley. I got my hives >about three months ago. I bought 4 established hives, and picked up 2 >swarms. I have been feeding my bees sugar water. How do I stop feeding >them. They are healthy and very busy. >Thank you, Sharon > >--------------E56A2975C590739114C0BE92 >Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > I have six hives and live in the San Joaquin Valley.  >I got my hives about three months ago.  I bought 4 established hives, >and picked up 2 swarms.  I have been feeding my bees sugar water.  >How do I stop feeding them.  They are healthy and very busy. >
Thank you, Sharon > >--------------E56A2975C590739114C0BE92-- > Article 26010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beginner Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 2000 13:16:16 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000714091616.13955.00000644@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26010 If there is a Beekeeper in your area that sells equipment he probleys sells Nukes and it is just about at the end of the time in which to start a new hive Good Luck Jim Article 26011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gblx.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Charles W." From: "Charles W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beginner Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 08:25:40 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.184.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 963581141 204.96.184.188 (Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:25:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:25:41 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26011 The problem with starting this late, especially with a package, is that they may not have enough time to build up sufficiently to live through the winter, and you definately would not harvest any honey this year. If you were to collect a swarm, you might have a little better chance of keeping them through the winter as a swarm is programed biologically to build up fast (or faster anyway). A swarm this time of year would also more than likely have a young queen, although in many cases you would still want to replace her with known good stock after they have taken to their new home. Still expect no honey and to probably have to feed them. If you REALLY want to start this year, by far your best bet (not your cheapest), would be to find a local beekeeper willing to sell you a well established colony of bees. That way the bees would not have to build up and it is possible that they would collect enough winter stores as to not require feeding. Hope this helps and good luck! Edward L. Hope, Jr. wrote in message news:hKtb5.1968$tI4.100427@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Am interested in beekeeping as a hobby and was interested in starting this > year. What I'm finding out is that most bee suppliers will not ship bees > after June. Is it too late to start this year? Any suggestions on getting > started? Was thinking about getting some beginners books - any suggested > titles? Any help/suggestions/comments would be greatly appreciated. Can > respond directly to my email address: Jaxjaguarz@worldnet.att.net > > Thanks! > Eddie > Richmond, Virginia > > Article 26012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does age matter on plastic foundation? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jul 2000 13:31:47 GMT References: <20000710135648.02311.00000534@ng-cb1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000714093147.13955.00000650@ng-fs1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26012 I have seen alot of Durgilt that was drawn out quite nice and I have seen some that was pretty bad but I haven't see any Pierco that was drawn out that would pass my inspections..... I guess that I am just spoiled with crimped wire foundation it is alot more work but well worth it Jim Article 26013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Jul 2000 07:12:56 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: real beeswax comb Message-ID: <20000715031256.20150.00000612@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26013 The British education publication, you mentioned, is simply excellent--ordered some time back and have been using. Thanks for the great suggestion and I hope lots of other beekeepers who are volunteering their time for the "kids" might see this "Bees in the Curriculum" material. Article 26014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!nntp.newsfirst.net!dingus.crosslink.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3970690C.1F001F7F@crosslink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:37:16 +0000 From: "L.E.G." Reply-To: gmt@crosslink.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: check-mite References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: CrossLink Internet Services 1-888-4-CROSSLINK Cache-Post-Path: pizza.crosslink.net!unknown@dyn59.c5200-2.king-george.246.crosslink.net X-Cache: nntpcache 2.3.3 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.246.124.14 X-Trace: dingus.crosslink.net 963681996 3626 206.246.124.14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26014 same as apistan, 2 strips per brood box,in opposite corners close to cluster,45 to 50 days Rob O'Hara wrote: > Hello all > > Can someone please send me directions for use of check-mite > strips. I somehow misplaced them and they are not on the pkgs. > > Bees in NE Ohio building up nicely this year. We had an abundance of rain, > which slowed down the hay-making but the bees made a nice crop of honey off > the uncut fields! The weather hurt some and helped others. > > If you are interested in beekeeping the Geauga County Beekeepers > Association would love to see you at their picnic July 16, 2000 at > Thompson's Ledges Park in NE Geauga County. 12:00 noon. > > Thankyou > > -- > Rob O'Hara > rohara98@yahoo.com > 4th Year ... 5 Hives > 3rd String Hobbiest > Trying To Grow Article 26015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Jul 2000 07:23:00 GMT References: <8jd69h$kqr$1@wanadoo.fr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beekeeping Internet portal Message-ID: <20000715032300.20150.00000613@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26015 Frankly, I find this the best site! I enjoy reading Allen Dick (he has a wonderful net site, diary, links, archives, etc.), also. I might suggest, if you don't already take "Bee Culture", looking up their site (it is a magazine)--has a great archive of prior issues of the magazine and lots of articles for fun reading, too. Best. Buzzylee Article 26016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: add supers - still feed? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:34:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8kpp9j$6r3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 15 13:34:43 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x63.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26016 Hi I am about to add a super to my hive...I assume this means I should stop feeding but am unsure? (They are still taking some sugar...) pics http://www.rec,cnchost.com/bees/ ron Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VA Killer Bees??? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:46:05 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26017 John Edwards wrote: Was the simple, do-it-anywhere FABIS (Fast Africanized Bee Identification System) analysis......used on these bees ? If not, why not? maybee it's the inscrutable politics of beekeeping, or the lingering uncertainties of bee science ("b.s." some would say)...for more details see the past thread in this newsgroup on "ahb in southwest usa": http://www.remarq.com/read/4586/qA3H3jnmE7AwAAAAA?idx=0&si=group&sg=sci%2Eag riculture%2Ebeekeeping&q=ahb+in+southwest+usa&srn=FIRST for a somewhat similar scenario in florida see the following "africanized honey bees" thread: http://www.entomon.net/dcforum/DCForumID142/1.html# and for even more historical background see "Killer Bees Live Calmly in U.S." from 1991: http://beesource.com/news/article/azrepublic.htm Article 26018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: magnesia_magneto_man@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.physics.electromag,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.mech.fluids,sci.physics.particle Subject: HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 20:16:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 191 Message-ID: <8kqgq1$mj7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8kna6c$6tn$1@news.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 149.123.203.189 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jul 15 20:16:12 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 149.123.203.189 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmagnesia_magneto_man Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.physics.electromag:40195 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26018 sci.mech.fluids:11837 sci.physics.particle:35441 CURRENTLY ACTIVE WARNINGS AND ALERTS Warning active at 18:00 UTC, 15 July (The X5 shockwave plows head-on into Earth circa 4 PM Eastern Standard Time, USA) ------------------------------------ Active Warnings: * Potential Short Wave Fadeout * Potential Major Solar Flare Warning * Middle Latitude Auroral Activity Warning active at 18:00 UTC, 15 July through 16 July * Low Latitude Auroral Activity Watch active at 18:00 UTC, 15 July through 16 July. * Potential severe geomagnetic storm warning for 16 July. * Satellite Anomaly Warning for 14-16 July. Active Alerts: * Major X5-Class Proton Flare Alert - 14 July * Satellite Proton Event at > 10 and > 100 MeV Alert - 14 July ********************(BLACKOUT CONDITIONS)************************ POTENTIAL RISK FOR GEOSYNCHRONOUS MAGNETOPAUSE CROSSINGS: 80% EST. POTENTIAL GEOMAGNETIC IMPACT EST. POTENTIAL IONOSPHERIC IMPACT --------------------------------- --------------------------------- SEVERE STORM : 50 % LOW LATITUDES : MINOR MAJOR STORM : 40 % MIDDLE LATITUDES : MAJOR MINOR STORM : 10 % HIGH LATITUDES : MAJOR ACTIVE OR LESS : 0 % POLAR LATITUDES : MAJOR --------------------------------- --------------------------------- PROBABLE SI ASSOCIATION : 95% ESTIMATED GLOBAL IMPACT: MAJOR ESTIMATED FORECAST PEAK PLANETARY 24-HOUR A-INDEX DURING STORM: 90-140 ---- --------------- COMMENTS: This is a serious event and may have the potential of being one of the largest geomagnetic storms to be observed this solar cycle. Satellite operators, hydro operators, pipeline owners and radio communicators may be affected by this event. ================================================================ footnotes: (antiferromagnetic materials in a non-uniform magnetic field) Université Louis Pasteur (Strasbourg I) "Neutrino in a strong magnetic field" / Aurora Pérez Martinez ... - La Habana : ICIMAF, 1997. - 11 S. "Taking the magnetic signature at EARTH LEVEL using our knowledge of the flare disturbances (CMEs) in the sun" [Their team had no need of satellites, whatsoever, to take these measurments, perhaps even more accurate than any and all satellite observations combined.] During periods of solar-induced activity, additional electrons from outer space increase the conductivity of the ionosphere and hence the quantity of electricity produced. The magnetic fields produced by these varying currents interfere with the Earth's own magnetic field, and such disturbances can be detected at ground level. A MAGNETIC CROCHET is a disturbance found only on the dayside of the Earth, caused by a burst of ultraviolet light increasing ionospheric conductivity. A sudden impulse is due to the Earth's magnetic field being struck by a shock wave in the solar wind, leading to compression and intensification of the field strength. A storm sudden commencement is a sudden impulse followed by a magnetic storm, when equatorial currents develop to weaken the Earth's magnetic field. A magnetic storm can develop without a storm sudden commencement or the impact of a shock wave. The orientation of the interplanetary magnetic field embedded in the solar wind plays a major role in determining what happens in auroral and magnetic activity. Magnetic activity may be caused by the Earth finding itself in the path of particles discharged from transient solar events - such as flares, coronal mass ejections, disappearing filaments and the like - or recurrent events such as high speed particle streams blown out from coronal holes, particularly in the declining years of the sunspot cycle. NATO Advanced Research Workshop Institut d'Etudes Scientifiques de Cargese Seminar, August 21-26, 2000,Cargese, France "DYNAMO AND DYNAMICS, A MATHEMATICAL CHALLENGE" The onset and dynamics of a magnetic field sustained by the motion of an electrically conducting fluid (the dynamo problem), is typically one in which a multidisciplinary expertise is very important in order to solve even the most basic questions. We at NATO facilitate interaction and discussions among three major research areas related to the dynamo problem, because WE ARE REALLY STUMPED: We have gotten NOWHERE in these three areas: 1) large scale simulations 2) nonlinear dynamics - bifurcations, chaos and spatio-temporal data analysis 3) laboratory scale experiments ALUMINUM & HYDROELECTRICS: Did you know??? --- Alcan had its beginnings in Shawinigan, Quebec, where hydroelectric power facilities had earlier been developed. The first primary aluminum in Canada was produced on October 22, 1901. The operation was then a subsidiary of Aluminum Company of America (Alcoa), the pioneer producer on the North American continent. Alcan's first smelter was built in Shawinigan, Quebec, at the turn of the century. The Canadian operation was incorporated in 1902 as Northern Aluminum Company, but in 1925 its name was changed to Aluminum Company of Canada, Limited. It was also in 1925 that the rights were acquired to develop the Chute-à-Caron and Shipshaw power sites on the Saguenay River, some 241 kilometres northeast of Shawinigan. To utilize the massive and largely unused hydroelectric potential of the Saguenay — Lac- Saint-Jean region, the Company built and started its second aluminum smelter in 1926 at a new town called Arvida, today part of the city of Jonquière. BATTLE OF THE PLANETS *robot gold grab *the jupiter moon menace *magnetic attraction *swarms of robot ants *the galaxy girls *demons of the desert *prisoners in space Most butterflies diurnal; most ALL moths nocturnal. Moths can hear each other, other animals, particularly ultrasound (eg, like BATS). Butterflies navigate by magnetic field detection. Moth ears mostly tympanum (membrane stretched across space with sensors) based, and use sound mimicry - mimic sound of distasteful species. Giant Silk Moths --- like BATS In tropical rain forest, can be BAT-sized. Hercules moth of Australia has wingspan ~12 ins. In US polyphemus, luna, cecropia, ceanothus SILK MOTHS are among the biggest night-flying insects. The silkworm larvae emerges from its cocoon as a moth, NOT a butterfly [after having engorged itself on thousands of mulberry leaves] SERICULTURE - Bombyx mori (L.) +Sole living species, family Bombycidae Domesticated so long- probably no longer survives in wild. Chinese records- discovery of silk production from B. mori ~ 2,700 B.C. Question: Did you ever see a butterfly eat your clothes? Have you ever seen a butterfly attracted to a candle? Did you know that butterfly caterpillars nearly all have colorful plummage and have a weakness for carrot, celery, and dill?? Did you know that nearly all moth larvae [i.e. moth "caterpillars"] rememble grubworms and leeches more than anything else? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 198.161.229.186 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: Re-Queening Lines: 80 From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <2594cf54.603ff047@usw-ex0105-035.remarq.com> References: <#VK3kgG7$GA.288@cpmsnbbsa09> Bytes: 3388 X-Wren-Trace: eMbjy8rTlN6Vh97CxojD793bwsbRzInUxoTHwNuSjt+RjteRmciBmpOJk5ue Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:53:03 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.35 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 963698827 10.0.2.35 (Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:07:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:07:07 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26019 >I know I read here a thread about re-queening, but cannot find it now. What is the recommendation for how much time hours/days) before installing a new queen to remove the queen you are replacing? If it is too many days, will it be more difficult to get the new queen accepted Because the circumstances can vary a lt over the year and between locales, general principles are easiest to discuss. Introducing a new queen is easiest into small hives with young bees and/or emerging brood and, not large hives or hives dominated by old bees. Hives that are getting plenty of feed are more friendly to new queens that those which are not. Large hives can be split temporarily to make a smaller unit with young bees for accepting the new queen plus a second unit consisting of the rest of the hive. As soon as the new queen is accepted, the parts can be recombined. This can be done either with or without finding the original queen. Here is one way to do this: First make up a single brood chamber with some brood and bees. If the hive is huge, just lay it down on its back (use a ladder or board for support so it does not fall apart) and pry off the bottom box, then set the bottom aside several feet away and facing a different direction on a new floor and supply a lid. Stand the rest of the hive up on the original stand. Assuming the bees are flying freely and foraging a bit (conditions essential to good acceptance of new queens) the older bees will go home to the original stand and the number of bees will be much reduced in the smaller unit. At this point, check the small hive carefully for a queen. Hopefully, the queen will be in the other hive. If you have doubts, note the brood area and wait up to 4 days, then check again. If there are no new eggs, then the queen is not there. Introduce your new queen. The young bees will accept her. If there are new eggs, then the queen is there and you must find her or repeat the procedure on the large hive using the second brood box instead. After the new queen is well accepted and laying, there are several options: * Just put a queen excluder on top of the small hive and put the larger hive on top. Use newspaper too if the bees seem at all cross. Both queens will continue to work and you will have a two queen colony. Who cares if the old queen is not perfect? She will eventually disappear. * Switch the colonies on a good flying day and put the supers from the large unit onto the new queen (if you are using an excluder). The remaining brood chamber with the old queen and reduced populations can easily be dequeened and combined if desired. * You can choose other options to suit your tastes and circumstances. I write about my daily beekeeping experiences in the diary (URL below) and cover many frequently mentioned topics there, including this one. allen --- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, hive splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Thousands served... ----------------------------------------------------------- Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com Article 26020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3971175B.2C5E9AF9@a1usa.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:01:00 -0400 From: David Hiebert Organization: The DeskTop X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen saver Bees? References: <20000618082047.20439.00002683@ng-ba1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.236.25.168 Lines: 22 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.inc.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!208.236.25.3!208.236.25.168 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26020 One question:

Do you want this to be a moving beehive back there when the screen saver comes up or just a picture of bees?

Blue Taz37 wrote:

Hi Guys,
  Does any one of you have Screen saver bees that showing a moving brood on a
comb section? I just though it would be real cute. Anybody whom walk by my
computer will think a real bee hive stand on my desk with clear glass watch
brood working. Thanks!
                                                                     Tim
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David Article 26021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!root From: root@radioactivex.lebesque-al.net (Bilge) Newsgroups: sci.physics.electromag,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.mech.fluids,sci.physics.particle Subject: Re: HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 03:04:08 GMT Organization: none to speak of Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <8kna6c$6tn$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8kqgq1$mj7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: davids@david15.dallas.nationwide.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.5.6 UNIX) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.physics.electromag:40199 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26021 sci.mech.fluids:11839 sci.physics.particle:35446 magnesia_magneto_man@my-deja.com said some stuff about HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY to usenet: >CURRENTLY ACTIVE WARNINGS AND ALERTS >Warning active at 18:00 UTC, 15 July > > (The X5 shockwave plows head-on into Earth > circa 4 PM Eastern Standard Time, USA) >------------------------------------ What strength sun block would this imply? Article 26022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:28:31 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 22 Message-ID: <397139ED.C92572A8@azstarnet.com> References: <8kna6c$6tn$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8kqgq1$mj7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26022 Bilge wrote: > magnesia_magneto_man@my-deja.com said some stuff about > HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY to usenet: > >CURRENTLY ACTIVE WARNINGS AND ALERTS > >Warning active at 18:00 UTC, 15 July > > > > (The X5 shockwave plows head-on into Earth > > circa 4 PM Eastern Standard Time, USA) > >------------------------------------ > > What strength sun block would this imply? Sorry, I must have nodded off ........ what does all this have to do with beekeeping, since it's now 9:25 p.m. PST and we all seem to still be here ? - John Edwards, Tucson (by the way, I AM an unapologetic Art Bell fan, but this was a little much even for Art). Article 26023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "eri" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:50:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8krolb$b2v$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8kna6c$6tn$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8kqgq1$mj7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <397139ED.C92572A8@azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-177.boron.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 963732971 11359 62.136.4.177 (16 Jul 2000 07:36:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jul 2000 07:36:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26023 Erm.... Its the next morn, and I was up all night to wait for the bees to react.. perhaps I missed the point! John Edwards wrote in message news:397139ED.C92572A8@azstarnet.com... > > > Bilge wrote: > > > magnesia_magneto_man@my-deja.com said some stuff about > > HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY to usenet: > > >CURRENTLY ACTIVE WARNINGS AND ALERTS > > >Warning active at 18:00 UTC, 15 July > > > > > > (The X5 shockwave plows head-on into Earth > > > circa 4 PM Eastern Standard Time, USA) > > >------------------------------------ > > > > What strength sun block would this imply? > > Sorry, I must have nodded off ........ what does all this have to do > with beekeeping, since it's now 9:25 p.m. PST and we all seem to still > be here ? > - John Edwards, Tucson > (by the way, I AM an unapologetic Art Bell fan, but this was > a little much even for Art). > Article 26024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: add supers - still feed? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:03:06 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <8kpp9j$6r3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26024 Ron, If you feed with supers on your hive, even ones with foundation, you risk adulterating your honey with sugar. The bees will store extra feed even as they are drawing out the foundation. If your frames are 80 to 90 percent drawn in the second brood box, it's time to add a super. chris www.greathoney.com wrote in message news:8kpp9j$6r3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hi > > I am about to add a super to my hive...I assume this means I should > stop feeding but am unsure? (They are still taking some sugar...) > > pics http://www.rec,cnchost.com/bees/ > > ron > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 2000 12:18:25 GMT References: <8k7aph$gfi$1@saltmine.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000716081825.29944.00001088@ng-me1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26025 >Wow. That's the most action Eric Day has had in years! Where was Dr. Fell? >No comment? > Still have not heard anything yet. Maybe next week. They should have the answer by now. >I bet they fed them old New River Valley bees gunpwder to make 'em mean. >Adam LOL, I know what you're talk about. Radford Plant! Must have eating Nitroglycerin in farmer barn! Tim >-- >Adam Finkelstein Article 26026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Screen saver Bees? Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 2000 11:56:29 GMT References: <3971175B.2C5E9AF9@a1usa.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000716075629.29944.00001084@ng-me1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26026 >One question: > >Do you want this to be a moving beehive back there when the screen saver >comes up or just a picture of bees? > >Blue Taz37 wrote: >
Hi Guys, > >  Does any one of you have Screen saver bees that showing a movingbrood >on a >comb section? I just though it would be real cute. Anybody whom walkby my >computer will think a real bee hive stand on my desk with clear glasswatch >brood working. Thanks! Moving brood would be great. This is the one I was working on. I just finish hand record my bees hive front enter were all the brood done hatch and were swarm over hang front of the hive and you can see the nurs. bee cleaning young bees. I still have not found anybody yet to download it. Tim Article 26027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!194.117.157.8!news-hub.cableinet.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Time for a super? Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:33:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8ko05j$p3p$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 963749534 nnrp-02:16455 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 33 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26027 In article <8ko05j$p3p$1@taliesin2.netcom.net.uk>, Hugh Kernohan writes >There's plenty of brood and they are storing some honey. When should I put >on a super? Now. Give them room. The main problem starting is you don't have any drawn comb to help them along. But you should have lots of young bees ready to draw comb for you. If you have lots of flying bees they can draw the comb on the flow which should last a while yet. Did you feed it syrup at least for the first week or two? >I've read that I'm not likely to be able to remove honey this year but want >them to store enough from the late July/August flowering to be able to tide >them over the winter. Do you get much ivy in your area? If so, you can get more winter stores from mid-September to mid-October. >Supplementary question - should I assume that I have to requeen next spring? >Opinion seems to be divided as to whether it's an old or young queen that >will have been in the swarm, but with the balance on the old queen. Did she start to lay as soon as there was drawn comb? If so, she was an old queen. (I could ask was she marked but I won't!) Did she start to lay *at least* a week after you hived it having had empty drawn comb ready? If so, it was a virgin when you got it. (Expect 12 days or more from emergence to laying). >I live in South East London (and have made contact with the Bromley >Beekeepers Club who have been very helpful). Join them. >Anyone know where I can buy second hand kit eg a second hive and supers for >this one? Via Bromley BKA. Take great care with second hand equipment. It should be bought from someone who has *never* had AFB and preferably not EFB. It should also be sterilised by at least flame treatment. If you can use caustic soda even better! -- James Kilty Article 26028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Kaimbridge Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:29:05 GMT Organization: QTH = 42.57°N/70.89°W Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8ksdao$tcp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8kna6c$6tn$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8kqgq1$mj7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <397139ED.C92572A8@azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.57.56 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 16 13:29:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-MOENE (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x59.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.57.56 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkaimbridge Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26028 In article <397139ED.C92572A8@azstarnet.com>, John Edwards wrote: > > > Bilge wrote: > > > magnesia_magneto_man@my-deja.com said some stuff about > > HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY to usenet: > > >CURRENTLY ACTIVE WARNINGS AND ALERTS > > >Warning active at 18:00 UTC, 15 July > > > > > > (The X5 shockwave plows head-on into Earth > > > circa 4 PM Eastern Standard Time, USA) > > >------------------------------------ > > > > What strength sun block would this imply? > > Sorry, I must have nodded off ........ what does all this have to do > with beekeeping, since it's now 9:25 p.m. PST and we all seem to still > be here ? > - John Edwards, Tucson > (by the way, I AM an unapologetic Art Bell fan, but > this was a little much even for Art). Sounds like a *stinging* condemnation to me! P=) P=) P=) ~Kaimbridge~ -- UBasic Programming Forum: http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb426556 Geographical Math Forum: - http://forum.geography.com.sg/community/scripts/topics.pl?NodeID=93941 Global 2000 Spheroid [G2KS]: a = 6378.135, b = 6356.75, Gr = 6372.7994 Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bob Rush" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Software? Lines: 6 Organization: RushWood Apiary X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:11:23 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.41.50.71 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 963760233 64.41.50.71 (Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:10:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:10:33 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26029 Does anyone know of a good program that I can use to keep track of my hives? Bob Rush Article 26030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "N Gravel" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8kna6c$6tn$1@news.ihug.co.nz> <8kqgq1$mj7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <397139ED.C92572A8@azstarnet.com> <8ksdao$tcp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: <6ukc5.17703$BS1.503779@brie.direct.ca> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:31:10 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 963761154 204.244.87.80 (Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:25:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:25:54 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26030 After the definite failure of Y2K doom, Those eternal worriers need something (like whatever you can find on the internet) I think it goes back to Gallic times when people were afraid that the sky was going to fall on their heads... We have enough problems with Varroa and such to worry about the sun. I bet you can find something about moon flares which will influence the reproduction of some kind of superbug which will attack all flowers of municipalities that do have bylaws against beekeeping You just read it on the internet, would you like me to put it on a website so you really believe in it. Normand Article 26031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsbrenchley@aol.com (RSBrenchley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HEAD-ON COLLISION WITH EARTH, 4PM, SATURDAY Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jul 2000 23:24:34 GMT References: <6ukc5.17703$BS1.503779@brie.direct.ca> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Message-ID: <20000716192434.18454.00000381@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26031 >After the definite failure of Y2K doom, Those eternal worriers need >something (like whatever you can find on the internet) >I think it goes back to Gallic times when people were afraid that the sky >was going to fall on their heads... >After the definite failure of Y2K doom, Those eternal worriers need >something (like whatever you can find on the internet) >I think it goes back to Gallic times when people were afraid that the sky >was going to fall on their heads... Surely that goes back to a kid's book from the fifties or Sixties - was it Chicken Licken? An acorn fell on her head and she thought it was the sky. Yes, OK, joke over, solar flares (which is what I imagine this to be about) can be dangerous to electronic communications. But really, a doomsday scenario? Regards, Robert Brenchley RSBrenchley@aol.com Article 26032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Tom Allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8kpp9j$6r3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: add supers - still feed? Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:58:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.150.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 963791915 24.218.150.158 (Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:58:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 19:58:35 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26032 Are there reasons not to add suppers too soon i.e. before the brood box is drawn out? I wintered over with 3 deeps here in southern NH (seacoast area) for extra stores. Its been a slow spring with a recent requeening. I put both my shallow and medium supers on my one hive a couple of weeks ago. The colony has since become "queenright" and expect the supers to be drawn out soon. I've been tempted to put a feeder on to speed up the drawing out. What do you think? Tom "Chris Sauer" wrote in message news:sn38t9rind6147@corp.supernews.com... > Ron, > > If you feed with supers on your hive, even ones with foundation, you risk > adulterating your honey with sugar. The bees will store extra feed even as > they are drawing out the foundation. If your frames are 80 to 90 percent > drawn in the second brood box, it's time to add a super. > > chris > www.greathoney.com > > wrote in message news:8kpp9j$6r3$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > Hi > > > > I am about to add a super to my hive...I assume this means I should > > stop feeding but am unsure? (They are still taking some sugar...) > > > > pics http://www.rec,cnchost.com/bees/ > > > > ron > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > Article 26033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening-Without destroying Old Queen Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:05:59 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8kv7c9$quf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39731526.BD9@wp.bsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.83 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 17 15:05:59 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.83 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26033 dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu wrote: > Fellow Beekeepers: > I have successfully reared a few queens (by grafting from my favorite > hive) and once mated in my nucs, I caged and put into established > hives. > One of the hives I could not find the old queen after a great deal of > searching on two consecutive days so I went ahead and installed the > queen cage. There are many eggs present neatly laid and I think that > maybe the old queen recently died (no emergency cells though). My > question is will the new queen win the death fight with the old queen > always? Is it an even chance that this new queen is the winner? I > remember reading somewhere that you don't have to destroy the old > queen when requeening. This seems hard for me to accept though. Your > thoughts will be appreciated. > Dale, Indiana ******************************************************** Howdy Dale -- Experience is hard to beat when it comes to battle. Could be the old queen realized you were out to get her and started doing a better job. Let us know when you know for sure. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.he.net!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!206.13.28.124!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.144!news.pacbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Karyn Plank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Keeping Bumble bees Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <3FIc5.33$PB4.28847@news.pacbell.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:01:29 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.194.217.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@pacbell.net X-Trace: news.pacbell.net 963860159 63.194.217.119 (Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:55:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:55:59 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26034 My curiousity has been aroused. I've seen a lot of bumble bees in my garden seemingly collecting pollen just like honey bees and I also saw a post here a while ago from someone asking about keeping bumble bees. Do people actually keep hives of bumble bees and are their any rewards for doing so? I have no desire to do this, but like I said, I'm curious. Any websites with more information? Thanks. Karyn Article 26035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!207.172.3.37!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Tom Allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39731526.BD9@wp.bsu.edu> Subject: Re: Requeening-Without destroying Old Queen Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:38:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.150.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 963866291 24.218.150.158 (Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:38:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:38:11 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26035 I've heard and can imagine that a fight to the death would take a toll on the winner, old or new, and should be avoided for queen health and prosperity. "Dale Scheidler" wrote in message news:39731526.BD9@wp.bsu.edu... > Fellow Beekeepers: > I have successfully reared a few queens (by grafting from my favorite > hive) and once mated in my nucs, I caged and put into established hives. > One of the hives I could not find the old queen after a great deal of > searching on two consecutive days so I went ahead and installed the > queen cage. There are many eggs present neatly laid and I think that > maybe the old queen recently died (no emergency cells though). My > question is will the new queen win the death fight with the old queen > always? Is it an even chance that this new queen is the winner? I > remember reading somewhere that you don't have to destroy the old queen > when requeening. This seems hard for me to accept though. Your > thoughts will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dale, Indiana Article 26036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Tom Allen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3FIc5.33$PB4.28847@news.pacbell.net> Subject: Re: Keeping Bumble bees Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 20:36:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.218.150.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 963866163 24.218.150.158 (Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:36:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:36:03 EDT Organization: Road Runner Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26036 I found these bumble bee nest plans the other day. http://members.aol.com/beetools/bumble.htm Enjoy. Tom "Karyn Plank" wrote in message news:3FIc5.33$PB4.28847@news.pacbell.net... > My curiousity has been aroused. I've seen a lot of bumble bees in my garden > seemingly collecting pollen just like honey bees and I also saw a post here > a while ago from someone asking about keeping bumble bees. Do people > actually keep hives of bumble bees and are their any rewards for doing so? > I have no desire to do this, but like I said, I'm curious. Any websites > with more information? > > Thanks. > Karyn > > Article 26037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keeping Bumble bees Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:18:48 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <3FIc5.33$PB4.28847@news.pacbell.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26037 Bumble bees are very good at pollinating tomatoe plants, seems they buzz pollinate which disturbs the pollen which can rise in clouds. So, bumble bees are kept for green house pollination. Honey crops not much to talk about. ;-)) David Eyre, http://www.beeworks.com admin@beeworks.com "Tom Allen" wrote in message news:T6Kc5.32236$DJ2.154332@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net... > I found these bumble bee nest plans the other day. > http://members.aol.com/beetools/bumble.htm > Enjoy. > > Tom > > > "Karyn Plank" wrote in message > news:3FIc5.33$PB4.28847@news.pacbell.net... > > My curiousity has been aroused. I've seen a lot of bumble bees in my > garden > > seemingly collecting pollen just like honey bees and I also saw a post > here > > a while ago from someone asking about keeping bumble bees. Do people > > actually keep hives of bumble bees and are their any rewards for doing so? > > I have no desire to do this, but like I said, I'm curious. Any websites > > with more information? > > > > Thanks. > > Karyn > > > > > > Article 26038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.digex.net.MISMATCH!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!saturn.ipass.net!not-for-mail From: bhogan@bjgate.com (Brian Hogan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to entice bees to swarm to hive Message-ID: <3973eb36.38197986@news.ipass.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 20 Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 05:38:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.170.134.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipass.net X-Trace: saturn.ipass.net 963898804 209.170.134.111 (Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:40:04 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:40:04 EDT Organization: iPass.Net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26038 I have a very well established colony of bees in a make-shift hive (no frames, just basically a wooden box). They swarmed three times this year (back in early May) and are heavily bearding on the outside of the hive, obviously over crowded again. They seemed to try to swarm on Sunday, but it didn't amount to much. I've got a regular hive with a few frames and wax-coated foundation about 80 feet away in the shade on a 4 foot tall hive stand. Aside from using pheremone lures, is there a way for me to get them to swarm to THAT hive? Will placing raw honey and comb in and around the entrance to the hive train them to swarm to it? I've got some bait hives in the tree that the bees swarmed to before. Bait hives have no lures, but face south, are about 15 feet off the ground, have a 12" diameter, and have a volume of 1.4 cubic feet. Will they swarm to these bait hives rather than the other hive which is closer to the ground and a little farther away? Thanks for any help. Brian Article 26039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to entice bees to swarm to hive Message-ID: References: <3973eb36.38197986@news.ipass.net> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 28 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 01:46:01 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:42:01 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26039 That's an interesting situation, Brian. What R U trying to do, propogate colonies of bees for fun? Have you thought of drawing off some comb from your box hive so as to give mehr liebensraum to them? In article <3973eb36.38197986@news.ipass.net>, bhogan@bjgate.com says... > I have a very well established colony of bees in a make-shift hive (no > frames, just basically a wooden box). They swarmed three times this > year (back in early May) and are heavily bearding on the outside of > the hive, obviously over crowded again. They seemed to try to swarm on > Sunday, but it didn't amount to much. I've got a regular hive with a > few frames and wax-coated foundation about 80 feet away in the shade > on a 4 foot tall hive stand. Aside from using pheremone lures, is > there a way for me to get them to swarm to THAT hive? > > Will placing raw honey and comb in and around the entrance to the hive > train them to swarm to it? > > I've got some bait hives in the tree that the bees swarmed to before. > Bait hives have no lures, but face south, are about 15 feet off the > ground, have a 12" diameter, and have a volume of 1.4 cubic feet. Will > they swarm to these bait hives rather than the other hive which is > closer to the ground and a little farther away? > > Thanks for any help. > Brian > Article 26040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!128.174.5.49!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.indiana.edu!news.ind.net!portal.bsu.edu!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39731526.BD9@wp.bsu.edu> From: Dale Scheidler Reply-To: dscheidl@wp.bsu.edu Organization: BSU X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening-Without destroying Old Queen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:16:06 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.226.103.42 X-Trace: portal.bsu.edu 963843507 147.226.103.42 (Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:18:27 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:18:27 EST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26040 Fellow Beekeepers: I have successfully reared a few queens (by grafting from my favorite hive) and once mated in my nucs, I caged and put into established hives. One of the hives I could not find the old queen after a great deal of searching on two consecutive days so I went ahead and installed the queen cage. There are many eggs present neatly laid and I think that maybe the old queen recently died (no emergency cells though). My question is will the new queen win the death fight with the old queen always? Is it an even chance that this new queen is the winner? I remember reading somewhere that you don't have to destroy the old queen when requeening. This seems hard for me to accept though. Your thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks, Dale, Indiana Article 26041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3974661B.DE19C57B@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to entice bees to swarm to hive References: <3973eb36.38197986@news.ipass.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:13:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.40.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 963929627 24.91.40.243 (Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:13:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 10:13:47 EDT Lines: 31 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26041 Hi Brian, Brian Hogan wrote: > > I have a very well established colony of bees in a make-shift hive (no > frames, just basically a wooden box). They swarmed three times this > year (back in early May) and are heavily bearding on the outside of > the hive, obviously over crowded again. They seemed to try to swarm on > Sunday, but it didn't amount to much. I've got a regular hive with a > few frames and wax-coated foundation about 80 feet away in the shade > on a 4 foot tall hive stand. Aside from using pheremone lures, is > there a way for me to get them to swarm to THAT hive? Assuming you want the bees in the regular hive, why don't you just exchange positions of the hives during the day? The field force will end up in your real hive. You can also try to cut any comb out of the wooden box and prop it up in the new hive. That should get your queen to the real box as well as preserving any brood, and giving them some pollen and honey to use to get going. You didn't mention where you are, but you might want to also feed them in the new hive - esp since they have to draw new comb and winter's coming. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 26042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Jul 2000 02:08:18 GMT References: <3974B869.2B6B5B20@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: How do I know if I have Honey or Syrup? Message-ID: <20000718220818.25437.00001347@ng-fn1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26042 >I feed my bees until they draw the second deep and I add a super. I know >that there is probably some syrup still stored in the deeps and the bees >may be moving this up to the super. I didn't add any dye to my syrup. >How can I tell if the stuff being stored in my supers is honey and not >just syrup moved up from the lower brood boxes. if your honey is generally darker you can tell by color. Most syrup is clear while honey is amber. You can also tell by tasting it. If you are still unsure you can look up Thorne. its a beekeeping supply company in England. They sell a PH tester for honey to tell whether its mostly syrup or honey. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!alnews.ncsc.mil!den-news-02.qwest.net!qwest!newsfeed.slurp.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!203.216.70.6!newsfeed.gol.com!giga-nspixp2!nntp-egw.ocn.ad.jp!nn1.news.ocn.ad.jp!not-for-mail From: "Masahiro Hasegawa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I know if I have Honey or Syrup? Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:33:19 +0900 Organization: NTT Communications Co.(OCN) Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8l3as0$elk$1@nn-tk104.ocn.ad.jp> References: <3974B869.2B6B5B20@nospam.boeing.com> <20000718220818.25437.00001347@ng-fn1.news.cs.com> Reply-To: "Masahiro Hasegawa" NNTP-Posting-Host: 210.160.156.74 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: nn-tk104.ocn.ad.jp 963980992 15028 210.160.156.74 (19 Jul 2000 04:29:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@nn01.news.ocn.ad.jp NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jul 2000 04:29:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26043 Robert Williamson wrote in message news:20000718220818.25437.00001347@ng-fn1.news.cs.com... > >I feed my bees until they draw the second deep and I add a super. I know > >that there is probably some syrup still stored in the deeps and the bees > >may be moving this up to the super. I didn't add any dye to my syrup. > >How can I tell if the stuff being stored in my supers is honey and not > >just syrup moved up from the lower brood boxes. > > if your honey is generally darker you can tell by color. Most syrup is clear > while honey is amber. You can also tell by tasting it. If you are still unsure > you can look up Thorne. its a beekeeping supply company in England. They sell a > PH tester for honey to tell whether its mostly syrup or honey. > > > Robert Williamson Hello, everyone. How about using a refractometer? Can it be used instead of pH tester?? It may be a stupid question but I am just curious. In case both the syrup and the honey are of the same concentration (Brix value), refractometer can't be applicable of course. I would appreciate any comments. Masahiro hasegawa@atago.net Article 26044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon.snet.net!not-for-mail From: npatt@snet.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UNUSUAL BEE TRAPPING PROBLEM X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <_Vfd5.158$qy.138931@typhoon.snet.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:03:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.60.205.25 X-Complaints-To: abuse@snet.net X-Trace: typhoon.snet.net 964004602 204.60.205.25 (Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:03:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 07:03:22 EDT Organization: SNET Internet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26044 7/19/00 Here's the deal... I have one weak hive with a relatively new queen. A scout camp nearby has a hive in the walls of a bunk house. I do not have some frames of brood to spare at this time of year to trap the bees out of the walls. Is there any way to get the bees in the bunk house to go into my weak hive using the method of a screen cone over the entrance to the bunk house hive? I guess the problem is the scent of the two queens. Is there any way to put these two hives in close proximity and trap the bees out of the bunk house into my weak hive and then rob out the bunk house hive? Any help will be greatly appreciated. If you could E-mail me with suggestions I'd appreciate it Norm npatt@snet.net Article 26045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Re-Queening Message-ID: <3975a764.746349937@west.usenetserver.com> References: <#VK3kgG7$GA.288@cpmsnbbsa09> <2594cf54.603ff047@usw-ex0105-035.remarq.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 129 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:03:56 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:05:19 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26045 Have you checked for "critter tracks" around the hive .. maybe they are having a nightly visitor like a skunk .. this makes them real upset Dave On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:00:19 -0700, "J & N F." wrote: >I have installed my new buckfast queen in a single hive body with >brood/pollen, etc.; I brushed the bees through an excluder, sadly still not >finding the old queen (filtered out quit a few drones!). She may have been in >the upper hive body. The original hive stands on its original location, the >new single is oriented differently. Its been a few days, I'll be checking to >see she is released from her cage soon & then I'll check the old hive to see >if the original queen is still active (or maybe I did her in during one of my >searches, wouldn't hurt my feelings). The original bees are so nasty. Two >days after one of my searches (which would understandably upset them, but two >days later) I stood about 75' away from the hive to check a young redwood >tree I've planted. Within 30 seconds I was being hit on the head, bees flying >into my hair. I first thought one was tangled in my hair & tried 'fluffing' >it out so the bee could get away. the loud angry sound should have given her >away though! I started walking further from the hive, numerous bees joined in >the attack & by the time I got far enough away I had 4 stings in the neck. >Yesterday I wanted to hang the irrigation hose up on the fence about 50' from >the hive. I stood deliberating whether to walk that close when one hit me in >the head in an angry voice, so I left the hose on the ground a got away. If >the new queen doesn't improve the attitude, I'm afraid these guys are history. >I can't have this kind of stuff going on. There's so much in bloom & they >have plenty of honey, etc. and the yellow jackets aren't bad yet, so I see no >real reason from their rotten temperament. I'll post back after my next >'inspection' > >Niki > >-- > > >J & N F. > >Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; >Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. > > >"Allen Dick" wrote in message >news:2594cf54.603ff047@usw-ex0105-035.remarq.com... >> >I know I read here a thread about re-queening, but cannot find >> it now. What is the recommendation for how much time hours/days) >> before installing a new queen to remove the queen you are >> replacing? If it is too many days, will it be more difficult to >> get the new queen accepted >> >> Because the circumstances can vary a lt over the year and >> between locales, general principles are easiest to discuss. >> >> Introducing a new queen is easiest into small hives with young >> bees and/or emerging brood and, not large hives or hives >> dominated by old bees. Hives that are getting plenty of feed are >> more friendly to new queens that those which are not. >> >> Large hives can be split temporarily to make a smaller unit with >> young bees for accepting the new queen plus a second unit >> consisting of the rest of the hive. As soon as the new queen is >> accepted, the parts can be recombined. This can be done either >> with or without finding the original queen. >> >> Here is one way to do this: >> >> First make up a single brood chamber with some brood and bees. >> If the hive is huge, just lay it down on its back (use a ladder >> or board for support so it does not fall apart) and pry off the >> bottom box, then set the bottom aside several feet away and >> facing a different direction on a new floor and supply a lid. >> Stand the rest of the hive up on the original stand. >> >> Assuming the bees are flying freely and foraging a bit >> (conditions essential to good acceptance of new queens) the >> older bees will go home to the original stand and the number of >> bees will be much reduced in the smaller unit. At this point, >> check the small hive carefully for a queen. Hopefully, the >> queen will be in the other hive. If you have doubts, note the >> brood area and wait up to 4 days, then check again. >> >> If there are no new eggs, then the queen is not there. >> Introduce your new queen. The young bees will accept her. >> >> If there are new eggs, then the queen is there and you must find >> her or repeat the procedure on the large hive using the second >> brood box instead. >> >> After the new queen is well accepted and laying, there are >> several options: >> >> * Just put a queen excluder on top of the small hive and put the >> larger hive on top. Use newspaper too if the bees seem at all >> cross. Both queens will continue to work and you will have a >> two queen colony. Who cares if the old queen is not perfect? >> She will eventually disappear. >> >> * Switch the colonies on a good flying day and put the supers >> from the large unit onto the new queen (if you are using an >> excluder). The remaining brood chamber with the old queen and >> reduced populations can easily be dequeened and combined if >> desired. >> >> * You can choose other options to suit your tastes and >> circumstances. >> >> I write about my daily beekeeping experiences in the diary (URL >> below) and cover many frequently mentioned topics there, >> including this one. >> >> allen >> --- >> A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ >> Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, >> fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping >> bees, hive splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily >> mumblings and more... Thousands served... >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. >> Up to 100 minutes free! >> http://www.keen.com >> > Article 26046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: hcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Great! Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:18:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8l4grl$pdc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <20000718012259.14941.00000449@ng-fk1.aol.com> <8l2sio$kgf$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.193.54 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 19 15:18:33 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 205.188.193.54 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26046 In article <8l2sio$kgf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > > > ppataz@aol.com (PPatAZ) wrote: > > HOW TO TURN 10 DOLLARS INTO 50,000.00 > **************************************************** > > Howdy PP -- > > This is a forum for BEE FOLKS. Please don't waste our > space and time! > > Pete > Right you are, Pete!!!! If we wanted to get rich we sure wouldn't be working with bees. LOL I heard that there is a lot of money in bee keeping - and most of it comes out of the bee keeper's pocket. How true that is! But I'm fascinated with the little critters anyway. Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.newsfirst.net!newshub.more.net!news.more.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3975E7CF.1B2089@goin.missouri.org> From: Carol Martin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Clipped Queen. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:39:27 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.184.224.66 X-Trace: news.more.net 964028226 204.184.224.66 (Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:37:06 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:37:06 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26047 I would like to know what happens when you have a clipped queen and the hive "wants -needs to swarm" Since the Queen cannot fly and the old queen is supposed to leave with the swarm.. how can they swarm. or what does happen... Carol Martin Article 26048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clipped Queen. Message-ID: <3975efe1.764906703@west.usenetserver.com> References: <3975E7CF.1B2089@goin.missouri.org> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 20 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:14:10 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:15:33 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26048 How about "what is suppose to happen"? The queen exits but can't fly .. drops into the grass in front of hive .. she crawls back to hive. Swarm realizes the queen isn't with them and returns. Sounds like a fairy tale to me. Dave On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:39:27 -0500, Carol Martin wrote: >I would like to know what happens when you have a clipped queen and the >hive "wants -needs to swarm" Since the Queen cannot fly and the old >queen is supposed to leave with the swarm.. how can they swarm. or what >does happen... >Carol Martin > Article 26049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfw-peer.news.verio.net!sea-feed.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nnews.ims.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Petty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Clipped Queen. Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:31:12 -0700 Organization: Integrated Measurement Systems, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <397601FD.E82A50EE@ims.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: paulp.ims.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26049 I don't clip my queens, but a fellow beekeeper who does reports it begins like this, with the swarm issuing and returning. The bees will just wait a few days or a week for a virgin queen to emerge and then they swarm out with her. He says it just delays the inevitable, but the delay may give him time to do something about it. Paul >How about "what is suppose to happen"? > >The queen exits but can't fly .. drops into the grass in front of hive >.. she crawls back to hive. Swarm realizes the queen isn't with them >and returns. > >Sounds like a fairy tale to me. > >Dave > >On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:39:27 -0500, Carol Martin > wrote: > >>I would like to know what happens when you have a clipped queen and the >>hive "wants -needs to swarm" Since the Queen cannot fly and the old >>queen is supposed to leave with the swarm.. how can they swarm. or what >>does happen... >>Carol Martin >> Article 26050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!feeder.via.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Charles W." From: "Charles W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3975E7CF.1B2089@goin.missouri.org> <3975efe1.764906703@west.usenetserver.com> Subject: Re: Clipped Queen. Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <3Ind5.4985$B33.11750@dfw-read.news.verio.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:54:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.184.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 964036479 204.96.184.188 (Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:54:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:54:39 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26050 Clipping is all well and good for the short term to prevent a swarm from leaving. But, it just postpones the inevitable. Not too long after they return to the hive, the new queens will be emerging and kill the old one. Then if they are still crowded, the new unclipped queen will lead the swarm. Dave Hamilton wrote in message news:3975efe1.764906703@west.usenetserver.com... > How about "what is suppose to happen"? > > The queen exits but can't fly .. drops into the grass in front of hive > .. she crawls back to hive. Swarm realizes the queen isn't with them > and returns. > > Sounds like a fairy tale to me. > > Dave > > On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:39:27 -0500, Carol Martin > wrote: > > >I would like to know what happens when you have a clipped queen and the > >hive "wants -needs to swarm" Since the Queen cannot fly and the old > >queen is supposed to leave with the swarm.. how can they swarm. or what > >does happen... > >Carol Martin > > > > > Article 26051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 20 Jul 2000 02:29:35 GMT References: <3974B869.2B6B5B20@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How do I know if I have Honey or Syrup? Message-ID: <20000719222935.04218.00000653@ng-fg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26051 >I didn't add any dye to my syrup. >How can I tell if the stuff being stored in my supers is honey and not >just syrup moved up from the lower brood boxes? > I didn't know you can use Dye mix in Sugar Syrup? Does it works? What color? Tim Article 26052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: texasdrone@cs.combees (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 20 Jul 2000 04:51:10 GMT Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000720005110.19172.00000287@ng-cc1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26052 Hi, I'm looking for a book published by Eva Crane entitled Honey: A comprehensive study. Would be most grateful if some one could direct me where I could find a copy or would be ecstatic to purchase it from someone who wants to sell theirs. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 26053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:35:50 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <8l6o8d$35s$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <20000720005110.19172.00000287@ng-cc1.news.cs.com> Reply-To: "Keith B. Forsyth" NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.202 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26053 Hi: Try Larry Connor of Wicwas Press in CT., ljconnor@aol.com , or IBRA in Gr.Br. ibra@cardiff.ac.uk . Article 26054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: leggsafton@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VA Killer Bees??? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:58:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <8l77hr$qk7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.21.118.237 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 20 15:58:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 63.21.118.237 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDleggsafton Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26054 It was confirmed by state entomologists yesterday that they ARE "Killer Bees" and are believed to have hitchiked here. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 26055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: How do I know if I have Honey or Syrup? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39771671.C81023A3@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3974B869.2B6B5B20@nospam.boeing.com> <20000719222935.04218.00000653@ng-fg1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:10:41 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 22 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26055 Blue Taz37 wrote: > I didn't know you can use Dye mix in Sugar Syrup? Does it works? What color? > Tim I learned it from hk1beeman. Don't think it matters much what color, but it will be visible in a capped frame. The reason I didn't put any in mine is that all the books say not to expect honey from a package colony the first year. I pulled my first super of comb off last weekend after installing 3 packages in early April. I still have suflower, cotton, aster, and goldenrod flows to come before the end of the season. My books also say that bees don't read books. ;-) -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 26056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1140.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Keeping Bumble bees Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:02:29 -0500 Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <3FIc5.33$PB4.28847@news.pacbell.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1140.nts-online.net (216.167.136.249) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 964119751 4064540 216.167.136.249 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26056 >My curiousity has been aroused. I get called out this time of year to 'remove' bumblebee colonies. Last year I collected 4 in late summer. With Bumbles it kind of depends on where you live. I see from you post header that you are in the 'pacbell' region, and that can only mean the west coast of the U.S. and I don't know how the bumble bees are out there, but in Amarillo, Texas they are big and dangerous. I cannot approach them in the day even wearing the capable Sheriff bee suit made of a gossamer nylon that bees supposedly are unable to land; this being true for honeybees, it is not for our local Bumbles. I have this infallible technique. It involves a modified shop vac and a box that will become the bumbles home. I then remove the hive at NIGHT using a red light. The bees don't see the light and me and consequently they don't fly. They do however 'boil' out and crawl all over the place, (including the beekeeper) and buzz and burrow in an unnerving way while doing so. This was the reason for the shop vac. Now the job is simple. I go at night, uncover the entrance, give the hive a jolt and out they come like a bad nightmare. All the bees get sucked (gently) into a 'cage' until there are no more crawling. I then have to go in and remove their 'nest' of eggs that appear to be made of wax, and look like small bird eggs all stuck together in 'sheets.' The size of these sheets of eggs can be as large as a square foot, or just a few eggs in a cluster. These bees save no honey or pollen but put what they collect into the eggs they raise or for their own use. That's pretty much the description of a bumblebee colony in Amarillo, Texas. They are 'messy' and trash the area they use, then move on. A good solution I think. I've removed these bees from (thoughtlessly left) piles of cut grass in alleys, holes in the ground, flower pots with plastic flowers on front porches, and backyard storage sheds, where a large nest was in the arm of an old couch, (maybe 300 bumblebees) They take to their new boxes well, that is the one they get sucked into, and carry on until winter. None of them have 'over wintered' and none have come back to create a new colony in the old box. They must however be somewhere near, as the bumblebee population has increased around our house, as I see a lot more bumble bees now than before last year. They are the best pollinators, the 'pit bulls' of the pollinator world. When an Alfalfa blossom smacks a honey bee on the head, she's gone. When a bumble bee arrives, it likes it. It is this same toughness and indifference to being threatened, that makes them so impressive when one disturbs their modest colony. Their hives are small and light as you might expect so they would be perfect for transporting to greenhouses. The Europeans already do this in a big way. Check back last year in the archives for some interesting threads on raising bumblebees commercially. The secret is apparently out of the bag. C.K. Article 26057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1140.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Book Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:24:39 -0500 Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <20000720005110.19172.00000287@ng-cc1.news.cs.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1140.nts-online.net (216.167.136.249) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 964121079 4104187 216.167.136.249 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26057 >Hi, >I'm looking for a book published by Eva Crane entitled Honey: A comprehensive >study. Robert go to: http://dogbert.abebooks.com/abe/BookSearch I see they have 4 copies. C.K. 1. Crane Eva Walker Penelope: Directory Of Important World Honey Sources Int Bee Research Ass1984 1st edition soft card covers very good 1984 . Book # 772 Price: US$ 26.86 convert currency Presented by Trinity Rare Books, Carrick-on-Shannon, Leitr, Ireland order options 2. CRANE, Eva. THE WORLD HISTORY OF BEEKEEPING AND HONEY HUNTING. Duckworth. London, 1999. First edition. Hardback. Dust jacket. 4to. xxi,682pp. Many b/w illustrations, appendix, bibliography, indexes. Comprehensive history from prehistoric times. Fine in about fine dustjacket. Book # A7675 Price: £ 60.00 (approx. US$ 89.54) convert currency Presented by Any Amount of Books, London, ., United Kingdom order options 3. Crane, Eva. A Book Of Honey. NY: Charles Scribner, (1980). First Edition. Octavo, brown paper covered boards with gilt spine titles. 193pp. with index. A little gem with a comprehensive treatment of every facet of honey including entomology, chemical analyses as well as history and a number of classic and some obscure recipes. Mead anyone? A tight clean volume with just a bit of yellowing to page edges (acid paper) in a very near fine dust jacket with just a touch of edgewear. A great copy of a scarce title. Book # 01697 Price: US$ 35.00 convert currency Presented by Philip K. Core, Bookseller, Edgewood, PA, U.S.A. order options 4. Crane, Eva. The world history of beekeeping and honey hunting. London: Duckworth, 1999. many illustrations. 682 pp., The first book to explore in detail the world history of man's use of bees, from prehistoric honey hunting to the modern industry. Bees, honey and wax have special symbolic significance in both early beliefs and later world religions. Honey hunting is shown in the rock art of four continents. Pictures of beekeeping survive from Ancient Egypt, and hives or parts of them from Greece, Crete, pre-Roman Spain and the Maya region of Mesoamerica. Binding is Quarto, dustwrapper,. Book # 12879 Price: A$ 250.00 (approx. US$ 146.05) convert currency Presented by Andrew Isles Natural History Books, Prahran, VIC, Australia order options Article 26058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!NewsWatcher!user From: c@usit.net (C) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: VA Killer Bees??? Message-ID: References: <8l77hr$qk7$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Lines: 15 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:15:21 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.155.140 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 964124035 216.80.155.140 (Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:13:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:13:55 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26058 Please tell us where here is..... Thanks C. In article <8l77hr$qk7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, leggsafton@my-deja.com wrote: > It was confirmed by state entomologists yesterday that they ARE "Killer > Bees" and are believed to have hitchiked here. > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 26059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!dialup-lbb-1140.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UNUSUAL BEE TRAPPING PROBLEM Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:18:09 -0500 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <_Vfd5.158$qy.138931@typhoon.snet.net> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-lbb-1140.nts-online.net (216.167.136.249) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 964120689 4095998 216.167.136.249 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26059 >Here's the deal... >I have one weak hive with a relatively new queen. >A scout camp nearby has a hive in the walls of a bunk house. >I do not have some frames of brood to spare at this time of year to trap the bees out of the walls. Forget about all that, a waste of time. Just go in, remove the walls, and the bees. refer to an earlier thread of 6.22.00 called: >BEES IN OLD HOUSE HOW CAN I GET THEM OUT???? I described my method of removing bees from a wall cavity. C.K. Article 26060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Update Va. Killer bees Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 20 Jul 2000 20:49:12 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000720164912.01998.00000409@ng-bj1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26060 Ok, Guys...A swarm of aggressive bees that killed a goat has been indentified as Africanized bees. They are also reluctant to speculate much on How Africanized honeybees, an Ill-tempered hybrid of African bees, found their way to the area. They did say it had to be a case of "human-assisted transport". or hives hitching a ride on ships, tractor-trailers ( I-64 is about mile there) and train cars. They were apparently a mixed colony said Day, who explained that old, abandoned bee hives on Downey's property had been taken over by European honeybees. The Africanized bees were found "bearding" or hanging in a clump' outside the hive. " it appears that Africanized bees were taking over the European colony," said Day. Back in January 96' said a swarm of Africanized honeybees was found in Maine and traced back to a ship that had last docked in Norfolk, Va. Those bees were simply put outside, where they froze. Also said there have been four human-assisted transports of Africanized bees in the Midwest and Mid-Atlantic areas of the country since Jan. 2000. One in Huntington, West Va. involved a hive found in a boxcar that came from San Antonio and is believed to have originated in Brazil. USDA officials said two nests were identified in Illinois, but Scott Frank of the Illinois Agriculture Department said one in Decatur involved bees that were already dead and he is unaware of a second finding. Article 26061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Jul 2000 02:14:17 GMT References: <39771671.C81023A3@nospam.boeing.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How do I know if I have Honey or Syrup? Message-ID: <20000720221417.01521.00000901@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26061 >Don't think it matters much what color, but it >will be visible in a capped frame. You mean the comb will have color dye in it too after all by sugar feed mixed with dye? Tim Article 26062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Jul 2000 02:32:10 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Black Drones Message-ID: <20000720223210.01521.00000902@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26062 I just have a few question regard three band ltalian bees. I like the light brown gold color Drones and I have some with dark black Drone. I was wonder if I use a hand held Vac,. with little hose attactment to suck up black Drones and save the others ( Gold color). That way when the Queen mate by gold band drones and it might improvement more of gold color worker. Will it works? It just a though. Tim Article 26063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Jul 2000 02:41:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Collect an honey Message-ID: <20000720224107.01521.00000903@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26063 I've got six more week lelf, I check the super and it was full except 20% ( top of the combs ) only caps. The rest of it still open. When six week are up, maybe by then it will be 80% caps off, What should I do with other 20% that were not cap? I don't want to end up sour honey. I though I should cut out the cap and feed the rest uncap back to the hive ( after mix 50/50 water honey). Thanks. Tim Article 26064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Tom" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Biased Media Coverage Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:15:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8l1huo$a76$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-115.adunakhor.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 963922712 10470 62.136.96.243 (18 Jul 2000 12:18:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jul 2000 12:18:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26064 "C" wrote in message news:c-0807000526050001@dialup53.tnnas2.usit.net... > Barry > > Please you must understand that the news media does not have to tell the > truth, but only something that will sell news. > > C. > > Please you must understand that the news media does not have to tell the > truth, but only something that will sell news. > > C. > >Very much like Hollywood, judging by the latest film releases. T Article 26065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: add supers - still feed? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:36:30 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <8kpp9j$6r3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26065 Tom, I think it was Dave Green who posted that he has dyed his syrup to see how much goes up into the supers and mixes with the honey. Even when no feeding takes place with supers on, bees will move their stores up from the brood boxes and we have to be careful not to adulterate our honey. I usually stop feeding before the flow starts and make sure the division board feeders are empty before adding supers. If you add more foundation before the bees have drawn 80-90% of the second box, you risk them not finishing the job and going into winter with foundation in the brood boxes. You can speed things up by moving frames with foundation towards the middle positions of the box. Be sure not to move frames with brood to the outer, cooler positions or you may get chilled brood for your efforts. Isn't this beekeeping stuff a blast? chris NE Iowa - 85 hives www.greathoney.com Article 26066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Bob Young" Subject: Belize trip Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bff0bb$f7eb3240$a313aad0@boby> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:22:06 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-rO5O7QDjzWHy7AhxhwfFKrcLqbrNerVh3UvzAMvvOwRMXeIcBmLDMWDEV6f8nwZ+cETUU035a21LLB6!OOb2i8dBw5sLm1uSzSsfPEUQb/QL20c/ X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 13:22:06 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26066 I am going to Belize, Central America, in October. I was wondering if anyone had any beekeeper contacts there. Bob Young Lindale, TX Article 26067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail From: rdveal@cs.com (RDVeal) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to entice bees to swarm to hive Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.cs.com X-Admin: news@cs.com Date: 18 Jul 2000 14:47:39 GMT References: <3973eb36.38197986@news.ipass.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Message-ID: <20000718104739.04075.00000483@ng-ft1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26067 If your makeshift hive is roughly the same dimensions as a standard hive, and also has a removable top, you might want to place your empty hive body on top and let them move up into that when they expand. Otherwise, I would swap the locations of the two hives, letting the field bees return to the old location with the standard hive body on it. It would be easier to requeen at the same time rather than trying to find your existing queen; but if you have the time and the wherewithal to find her then you could save a few bucks too. It also my work simply by moving the old hive a few feet forward and turning it around, then placing the new hive where the old hive was. after a few days most of your field bees should be in the new hive body. Then you will have fewer bees to mess with when you try to find your old queen. Good luck. Article 26068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "J & N F." References: <#VK3kgG7$GA.288@cpmsnbbsa09> <2594cf54.603ff047@usw-ex0105-035.remarq.com> Subject: Re: Re-Queening Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 11:00:19 -0700 Lines: 119 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust142.tnt13.sfo3.da.uu.net 63.23.36.142 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cpmsnbbsb04!cpmsnbbsa08 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:26068 I have installed my new buckfast queen in a single hive body with brood/pollen, etc.; I brushed the bees through an excluder, sadly still not finding the old queen (filtered out quit a few drones!). She may have been in the upper hive body. The original hive stands on its original location, the new single is oriented differently. Its been a few days, I'll be checking to see she is released from her cage soon & then I'll check the old hive to see if the original queen is still active (or maybe I did her in during one of my searches, wouldn't hurt my feelings). The original bees are so nasty. Two days after one of my searches (which would understandably upset them, but two days later) I stood about 75' away from the hive to check a young redwood tree I've planted. Within 30 seconds I was being hit on the head, bees flying into my hair. I first thought one was tangled in my hair & tried 'fluffing' it out so the bee could get away. the loud angry sound should have given her away though! I started walking further from the hive, numerous bees joined in the attack & by the time I got far enough away I had 4 stings in the neck. Yesterday I wanted to hang the irrigation hose up on the fence about 50' from the hive. I stood deliberating whether to walk that close when one hit me in the head in an angry voice, so I left the hose on the ground a got away. If the new queen doesn't improve the attitude, I'm afraid these guys are history. I can't have this kind of stuff going on. There's so much in bloom & they have plenty of honey, etc. and the yellow jackets aren't bad yet, so I see no real reason from their rotten temperament. I'll post back after my next 'inspection' Niki -- J & N F. Whether or not you speak the truth; Whether or not you hear the truth; Whether or not you even know the truth; it is still the truth. "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:2594cf54.603ff047@usw-ex0105-035.remarq.com... > >I know I read here a thread about re-queening, but cannot find > it now. What is the recommendation for how much time hours/days) > before installing a new queen to remove the queen you are > replacing? If it is too many days, will it be more difficult to > get the new queen accepted > > Because the circumstances can vary a lt over the year and > between locales, general principles are easiest to discuss. > > Introducing a new queen is easiest into small hives with young > bees and/or emerging brood and, not large hives or hives > dominated by old bees. Hives that are getting plenty of feed are > more friendly to new queens that those which are not. > > Large hives can be split temporarily to make a smaller unit with > young bees for accepting the new queen plus a second unit > consisting of the rest of the hive. As soon as the new queen is > accepted, the parts can be recombined. This can be done either > with or without finding the original queen. > > Here is one way to do this: > > First make up a single brood chamber with some brood and bees. > If the hive is huge, just lay it down on its back (use a ladder > or board for support so it does not fall apart) and pry off the > bottom box, then set the bottom aside several feet away and > facing a different direction on a new floor and supply a lid. > Stand the rest of the hive up on the original stand. > > Assuming the bees are flying freely and foraging a bit > (conditions essential to good acceptance of new queens) the > older bees will go home to the original stand and the number of > bees will be much reduced in the smaller unit. At this point, > check the small hive carefully for a queen. Hopefully, the > queen will be in the other hive. If you have doubts, note the > brood area and wait up to 4 days, then check again. > > If there are no new eggs, then the queen is not there. > Introduce your new queen. The young bees will accept her. > > If there are new eggs, then the queen is there and you must find > her or repeat the procedure on the large hive using the second > brood box instead. > > After the new queen is well accepted and laying, there are > several options: > > * Just put a queen excluder on top of the small hive and put the > larger hive on top. Use newspaper too if the bees seem at all > cross. Both queens will continue to work and you will have a > two queen colony. Who cares if the old queen is not perfect? > She will eventually disappear. > > * Switch the colonies on a good flying day and put the supers > from the large unit onto the new queen (if you are using an > excluder). The remaining brood chamber with the old queen and > reduced populations can easily be dequeened and combined if > desired. > > * You can choose other options to suit your tastes and > circumstances. > > I write about my daily beekeeping experiences in the diary (URL > below) and cover many frequently mentioned topics there, > including this one. > > allen > --- > A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, > fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping > bees, hive splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily > mumblings and more... Thousands served... > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. > Up to 100 minutes free! > http://www.keen.com > Article 26069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!howland.erols.net!news-out.transit.remarq.com.MISMATCH!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport