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Give it a try! Article 32711 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:03:06 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3d21959e.383278787@news1.radix.net> References: <7ebzbLAkPwH9EwSI@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32711 On 30 Jun 2002 09:42:05 -0700, jim wrote: >In the US, the attempt to create a practical "gel-pack" is nothing >more than rational concern for the safety of the hobby beekeeper, >combined with the usual US-government paternalism wrapped up >in red tape and the US flag masquerading as "freedom from harm". > > jim > Gel packs were a USDA attempt by the way. Just out of curiosity, what do you do for a living? I get the feeling it ain't bees. beekeep Greg Ferris commercial beekeeper Southern Maryland Article 32712 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 40-45 thousand bees per hive? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 12:27:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.62.104.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1025612845 4.62.104.209 (Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:27:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 05:27:25 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32712 "Patrick Dugan" wrote: >I recently read an article that stated there are on the average between >40,000 and 45,000 bees per hive. I have two hives which were started early >this spring and both are two deep supers full. I have examined frames and >they are packed with bees but I don't believe there are 1000 per frame side >(2000 per frame.) Are they talking about some other type of hive? > Bee populations vary greatly from season to season. 40,000 to 45,000 per hive is a reasonable estimate overall, but strong colonies in the late spring often exceed 60,000 bees. That same colony in late winter is likely to be only a quarter of that. In very round numbers, the estimate of 2,000 bees per deep frame is reasonable too, but counting only frames that are dense with bees, as in the brood nest. Counting bees in a 2" by 2" area several times and multiplying it out should confirm this. For reference, a 3 pound package of bees has approximately 12,000 (10,000 per kg is another rough guideline I've heard). John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 32713 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: INSPECTION Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:52:12 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.115.104 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025642641 144.138.115.104 (Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:44:01 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 06:44:01 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32713 G,day folks, How often should I inspect my bee in winter. I am in the Wide Bay, Queensland, Aussie. At the moment the bees are working well on tea-tree. Malcolm Article 32714 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: French honey? Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:03:58 +0100 Lines: 1 Message-ID: <6954iuge67used42l3fpdq57mmjf3h9s0t@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-74.alqualonde.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1025643647 22677 62.136.102.202 (2 Jul 2002 21:00:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2002 21:00:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32714 Anybody with French honey for import to the UK Article 32715 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apyphit Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:04:31 +0100 Lines: 2 Message-ID: <0a54iu09u4k9m1splfs8vphducnkaqhnl5@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-74.alqualonde.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1025643680 22677 62.136.102.202 (2 Jul 2002 21:01:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jul 2002 21:01:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32715 What happened to the Apyphit labs in France. Website and email address have gone? Article 32716 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Aussie Beekeeping Video Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:21:36 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.115.104 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025644405 144.138.115.104 (Wed, 03 Jul 2002 07:13:25 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 07:13:25 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32716 G,day, Are there any Australian Beekeeping Videos available? Malcolm Article 32717 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 40 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 03:58:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1025668724 209.204.149.214 (Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:58:44 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:58:44 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.us.prserv.net!prserv.net!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!64.42.15.2!HSNX.atgi.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:616 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32717 AUGH!!!! Just when things were looking to be going so smoothly, it looks like I've come home from work to find trouble in paradise. (OK, slightly south and east of Paradise... OK, never mind the geography pun...) It would appear that my poor little hive of bees is under attack. When I got home, there was a frenzy at the entrance, visible (and audible) from about 15-20 yards away, with a battle-royale going on that makes old "WCW extreme" matches look tame. There are dozens, possibly hundreds, of dead bees scattered around the "front porch" area of the hive. (Obviously, I've got no certain way to tell if they're the corpses of "my" troops, or intruders that have been repelled permanently) HELP! The only thing I could think of to do (none of my reading has specifically addressed trying to rescue a hive under attack by robbers) was shut down the entrance from "full wide-open" to about 4-5 bee-widths. That's done. A bottom bar from one of the rattiest of the frames I've got is serving the purpose nicely. Broken in half, and the ends put towards the middle, it's providing solid closure of most of the entrance. I doubt that it's a good idea to go for a total close-up, since I can see that SOME of the bees that are in-bound are "mine" - I can't imagine robbers toting in full pollen-baskets - and the battle is probably still raging as I type this, with probably another 20 minutes before sundown. So what more can I do? Anything? Or is it a "you're stuck sitting back and waiting to see what happens" kind of situation? Advice, *PLEASE!* -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32718 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Sabine Eltermann" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 09:07:57 +0200 Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ec543.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (80.142.197.67) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025680071 18253529 80.142.197.67 (16 [145558]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!p508ec543.dip0.t-ipconnect.DE!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:617 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32718 Put your hive tonight in darkness to another side of your house and turn the front to another direction as before. In most cases the robbers will not follow. Article 32719 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: billshsfrm@aol.com (BillsHsFrm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Jul 2002 14:30:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Comb Honey Containers Message-ID: <20020703103008.17565.00002130@mb-mk.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32719 Does anyone know where I can fine containers that will hold a complete shallow of comb honey. I know I've seen an ad somewhere. I've e-mailed three large bee supply co. and no luck. I thought it would be a good seller at the farm market this year. Thanks for any help. Bill Article 32720 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Something I've Never Seen Before Date: 3 Jul 2002 12:45:45 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0207031145.296a26ca@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025725546 10620 127.0.0.1 (3 Jul 2002 19:45:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 2002 19:45:46 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32720 I just saw this thread and it sounded interesting. I can only speculate, but I do have a thought. Would it be possible that in rare instances a swarm may get mis-directed when moving into a new residence? Perhaps there is other equipment nearby that was scouted out previously, but when the main swarm takes off for it, they are off by a degree or two and end up landing in an occupied hive body. While the navigational abilities of honeybees are truly amazing, it's hard to believe that they would be completely infallible. Nuc. Article 32721 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INSPECTION Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 07:11:09 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.139.221.144 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025730934 18125958 144.139.221.144 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!144.139.221.144!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32721 "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > How often should I inspect my bee in winter. I am in the Wide > Bay, Queensland, Aussie. At the moment the bees are working > well on tea-tree. If that's paper-barked tea tree (Melaleuca quinquenervia), it's a major producer of both honey and pollen. And because you're near the coast in the sub-tropics, your colonies may be building strongly. My guess is that swarming may be a real possibility if not checked every few weeks and given enough space. John Article 32722 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Something I've Never Seen Before Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:28:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3d2379b8.95020932@news1.radix.net> References: <9936fa52.0207031145.296a26ca@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32722 On 3 Jul 2002 12:45:45 -0700, nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) wrote: >I just saw this thread and it sounded interesting. I can only >speculate, but I do have a thought. Would it be possible that in rare >instances a swarm may get mis-directed when moving into a new >residence? Perhaps there is other equipment nearby that was scouted >out previously, but when the main swarm takes off for it, they are off >by a degree or two and end up landing in an occupied hive body. While >the navigational abilities of honeybees are truly amazing, it's hard >to believe that they would be completely infallible. > >Nuc. Another explination could be that the relocated bees were pheramone fanning to let their foragers know where to land and the swarm picked up on it and took it as "here is our new home". I have seen two swarms move into one hive before. When keeping bees never say that you have seen everything. beekeep Article 32723 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:49:35 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0b.7a.2d X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 2002 00:49:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:618 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32723 I would get those bees out of there. Move them three or so miles away and reduce the entrance. This is the only sure way pending that where you move them doesn't have a high concentration of bees. If you don't have a friend with some land or your own land away from the main apiary, then you might be better off to combine the weak colony with a strong one. If you knew which hive was the instigator, then switch the weak hive with the strong one. This way the weak hive will pick up the strong hives field force, thus making it a robust colony. Usually this also confuses them enough to put the robbing to a halt. Hope this helps you, Christopher Petree Article 32724 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee related cartoon... Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 20:26:58 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-162.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32724 Bee related cartoon... http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9405/df940503.jpg Article 32725 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry Reynolds" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for back issues of Gleanings in Bee Culture Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 21:58:03 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.news2me.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32725 I am looking for several back issues of Gleanings Can you help? Feb 1975 Oct 1976 Jan 1978 Feb 1992 Apr 1992 Our library (Texas A&M University) is missing these issues from an otherwise complete run of this magazine. I want to purchase and donate them to the library. Article 32726 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 04:39:26 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs References: <7ebzbLAkPwH9EwSI@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-201-81.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1025754150 news.dial.pipex.com 237 62.190.201.81 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!auucp0.ams.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32726 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter , entitled "Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs", jim wrote >When one generalizes >about a process that one does not understand, and is too lazy >to even read what can be found on the web about the process, >what else can it be called? Why mince words? This is, after >all, "sci.agriculture.beekeeping", not "alt.speculation.wild". :) I did search high and low for several hours for information on the web about the licensing and registration of substances for food production and agricultural use in the EU and the UK, but to no avail. All the web pages that I get served up from Google point to reports about conventions of politicians hearing lectures, with an occasional unrelated page set up by enterprising American lawyers with extensive tagging. My "local health agency" (which I take to be the Forestry Commission) could only provide me with what I can only hope is an incomplete list of approved proprietary chemical products for use on bees (Certan, Fumidal 'B', Bayvarol, Thymol, Apistan, Apiguard, PDB, and to round out the whole of the list, as a nod to non-proprietary registered treatments, Acetic Acid 99%). Short of ringing DEFRA and making a nuisance of myself three days a week until they actually tell me something or send me something useful (not a favourite pastime of farmers since having to deal with their lackeys during the Foot and Mouth killings in the UK last year), I should be very interested to find out more about the "process" of which I am so hopelessly ignorant. It is no secret to anyone, I shouldn't think, that EU regulations and workings are about as little "transparent" as you can get. If you could be so kind and clever as to serve me up some appropriate pages (you seem to suggest that it is easy enough) detailing this process for the EU, I would be genuinely grateful. You seem to be in the know about such things, and it would undoubtedly be a great help if you could point us in the right direction. I have a farm to run, and do not get much time to make endless searches for information about the "processes" of the great EU. My late winter cabbages are late enough as it is. Kind regards, Kelly Anderson /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 32727 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 78 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 05:10:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1025759416 209.204.149.228 (Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:10:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 22:10:16 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.bc.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:619 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32727 In article , "Christopher Petree" wrote: > I would get those bees out of there. Move them three or so miles away and > reduce the entrance. This is the only sure way pending that where you move > them doesn't have a high concentration of bees. > > If you don't have a friend with some land or your own land away from the > main apiary, then you might be better off to combine the weak colony with a > strong one. > > If you knew which hive was the instigator, then switch the weak hive with > the strong one. This way the weak hive will pick up the strong hives field > force, thus making it a robust colony. Usually this also confuses them > enough to put the robbing to a halt. No place to relocate them, really. "My" hive is a loner - There's only the one. If what I suspect is true, the wild colony in the oak tree that originally threw the swarm that became my hive is the one doing the robbing. Not much practical way to combine the two, since the "wild" ones are about 30 feet off the ground in a branch of tree I'd trust for climbing *ALMOST* as far as I can spit - So called "valley oak", about 200 feet high, and with lots of rotten branches. I wouldn't climb up that thing on a bet, let alone try to round up a wild colony of bees while in it! First thing I did when I discovered the activity was take the entrance down to about 4-5 bee-widths. That was last night about 20 minutes before I posted the original message. As of this morning before I left for work, it LOOKED like the robbing had either stopped, or slowed down in a REALLY big way. There were only two "battles" going on, and it *seemed* like in both of them, "my" bees were coming out on top - I suspect that "invaders" wouldn't be trying to ball "invadees", anyway... I just got home from work a few minutes ago, and since the sun is down, I wasn't able to see if there was any obvious battle going on, but I suspect not. I sure didn't hear the sort of fracas I did last night. I'll be taking a closer look when I go out to feed the horses in a few minutes. Aside from the two battles, this morning, there were foragers coming and going like crazy, with a HUGE percentage of the incoming bees toting gigantic wads of pollen. Guessing from the color, it looks like the first of the star thistle has started popping open. From my reading, that's a really *REALLY* good bee flower, and I seem to recall at least one mention of it being planted deliberately out here back in days gone by, specifically for the purpose of providing bee-chow. I've got mixed feelings about the stuff... I'm a horseman first, a beekeeper later. Star thistle is mechanically dangerous (For those of you not familiar with the plant, it has a mass of spikes on the flower heads that bear a *VERY* strong resemblance to steel straight-pins - a REALLY good way to tear up a horse's mouth and innards) to horses, and to add insult to injury, it's also a cumulative chemical toxin to them, causing a problem that I've often heard described as "horsey alzheimers" because of the effect it has on the physical structure (and functionality...) of their brains. They get enough of the stuff, it'll kill 'em, and in a rather ugly fashion, even without the spikes. So I'm kinda torn in two directions... Yeah, it's great bee-graze, but it's toxic to my first priority: the horses. So what do I do? I rip it out anytime I spot a plant anywhere near where one of our horses is likely to get near. Doesn't do a lot of good, though... We're literally surrounded by the stuff. One neighbor up the road has a hillside that covers about 3-4 acres. This time of year, the *ONLY* thing growing on it besides half a dozen or so oak trees is star thistle, from one edge to the other. Walking through that section of land without armored pants is a good way to bleed to death! But anyway... It sounds like about all I can really do right now is hope for the best... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32728 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: INSPECTION Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 17:28:10 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.89 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025767195 144.134.81.89 (Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:19:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 17:19:55 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32728 G,day, If it is mid winter and no drones in the hives, would the hive swarm? thank you Malcolm "John Henderson" wrote in message news:afvphl$h9546$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > > > How often should I inspect my bee in winter. I am in the Wide > > Bay, Queensland, Aussie. At the moment the bees are working > > well on tea-tree. > > If that's paper-barked tea tree (Melaleuca quinquenervia), it's a > major producer of both honey and pollen. And because you're near > the coast in the sub-tropics, your colonies may be building > strongly. > > My guess is that swarming may be a real possibility if not > checked every few weeks and given enough space. > > John > > Article 32729 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INSPECTION Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 08:13:47 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cwpp-p-203-54-206-60.prem.tmns.net.au (203.54.206.60) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025820857 19522509 203.54.206.60 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!cwpp-p-203-54-206-60.prem.tmns.net.AU!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32729 "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > G,day, > If it is mid winter and no drones in the hives, would the hive > swarm? > thank you I guess not. Drone build-up is something to keep an eye on though. As far as its being winter is concerned, you can't really pretend that it gets cold in your part of the world (says he jealously). But daylight length is at its minimum, that's true. Bee colonies can be as quirky as humans in their behaviour. With a good honey and pollen source, regular checks shouldn't be a problem for them. John Article 32730 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: INSPECTION Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <0w4V8.27728$Hj3.85846@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:12:44 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.17 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025823868 144.134.81.17 (Fri, 05 Jul 2002 09:04:28 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 09:04:28 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32730 G,day John Thank you for the information. I have phoned a friend who has hives. He inspected them on Monday and found drones, he has his hives at Harvey Bay, not too far from me. I will inspect mine over the weekend. I was also told of a good web site www.honeybee.com.au. I will check the site out after sending this off. Thank you Malcolm "John Henderson" wrote in message news:ag2hbn$ijoud$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > > > G,day, > > If it is mid winter and no drones in the hives, would the hive > > swarm? > > thank you > > I guess not. Drone build-up is something to keep an eye on > though. > > As far as its being winter is concerned, you can't really pretend > that it gets cold in your part of the world (says he jealously). > But daylight length is at its minimum, that's true. > > Bee colonies can be as quirky as humans in their behaviour. With > a good honey and pollen source, regular checks shouldn't be a > problem for them. > > John > > Article 32731 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dubas@email.com (Andrew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: going out of business sale Date: 4 Jul 2002 17:43:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.83.130.184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025829803 29933 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2002 00:43:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 00:43:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32731 located in pottstown, PA Hello, I am selling all of my hive and extracting equipment. 34 double deep hives, with full honey crop ( approx. 90 mediums and shallows) 20 frame radial extractor 50 + bottoms 50 + Covers 40 + empty shallows (no frames) 10 unpainted assembled deeps approx 25-30 unassebled nuc boxes 3-5 misc cases foundation 350 + 12 oz bear size cylinders for honey 5 gallon bucket band heater 5 cases 5lb jars misc tools bee vac lots of other misc stuff keep in mind there are about 90 honey supers on the bees now. They sit on 40 acres in an orchard. Lots of clover. I wanted to let you all know first before I start advertising. $5000.00 takes everything. Not selling individual items. Price not negotiable. if interested please contact Andrew @ sales@dubees.com Article 32732 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dubas@email.com (Andrew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used Equipment needed Date: 4 Jul 2002 17:49:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.83.130.184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025830173 30108 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2002 00:49:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 00:49:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32732 located in pottstown, PA Hello, I am selling all of my hive and extracting equipment. 34 double deep hives, with full honey crop ( approx. 90 mediums and shallows) 20 frame radial extractor 50 + bottoms 50 + Covers 40 + empty shallows (no frames) 10 unpainted assembled deeps approx 25-30 unassebled nuc boxes 3-5 misc cases foundation 350 + 12 oz bear size cylinders for honey 5 gallon bucket band heater 5 cases 5lb jars misc tools bee vac lots of other misc stuff keep in mind there are about 90 honey supers on the bees now. They sit on 40 acres in an orchard. Lots of clover. I wanted to let you all know first before I start advertising. $5000.00 takes everything. Not selling individual items. Price not negotiable. if interested please contact Andrew @ sales@dubees.com Article 32733 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: 4 Jul 2002 19:52:19 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-323.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32733 Kelly said: > It is no secret to anyone, I shouldn't think, that EU regulations > and workings are about as little "transparent" as you can get. Agreed. Clear as mud. > If you could be so kind and clever as to serve me up some > appropriate pages (you seem to suggest that it is easy enough) > detailing this process for the EU, I would be genuinely grateful. My understanding is that local (country) rules apply, and the EU regs do not take effect until 2003. But here are the regs, in their current glory, subject to massive revision without notice. http://www.bbka.org.uk/bbkafiles/honey-directive-2001_110_ec.pdf There are also organic standards. Here they are http://www.beekeeping.com/databases/eu_organic_honey_standard.htm That should at least be a start. jim Article 32734 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Muddawg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Something I've Never Seen Before Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 23:34:44 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <9936fa52.0207031145.296a26ca@posting.google.com> <3d2379b8.95020932@news1.radix.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 36 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32734 Thanks guys, I hadn't thought of these. Either could be a definite possibility. All of the splits have been having heavy "play" flights in the afternoons. A little misguided swarm passing by at the right time could definitely be lured by the scent calling the new flyers home. Great insight! Thanks very much. Best wishes, --Muddawg "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d2379b8.95020932@news1.radix.net... > On 3 Jul 2002 12:45:45 -0700, nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) wrote: > > >I just saw this thread and it sounded interesting. I can only > >speculate, but I do have a thought. Would it be possible that in rare > >instances a swarm may get mis-directed when moving into a new > >residence? Perhaps there is other equipment nearby that was scouted > >out previously, but when the main swarm takes off for it, they are off > >by a degree or two and end up landing in an occupied hive body. While > >the navigational abilities of honeybees are truly amazing, it's hard > >to believe that they would be completely infallible. > > > >Nuc. > > Another explination could be that the relocated bees were pheramone > fanning to let their foragers know where to land and the swarm picked > up on it and took it as "here is our new home". I have seen two > swarms move into one hive before. When keeping bees never say that > you have seen everything. > > beekeep > Article 32735 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INSPECTION Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 17:05:58 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <0w4V8.27728$Hj3.85846@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.139.221.212 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025852722 19555996 144.139.221.212 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!144.139.221.212!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32735 "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > G,day John > Thank you for the information. I have phoned a friend who has > hives. He inspected them on Monday and found drones, he has his > hives at Harvey Bay, not too far from me. I will inspect mine > over the weekend. I was also told of a good web site > www.honeybee.com.au. I will check the site out after sending > this off. > Thank you NSW Agriculture has a great site too, packed with information. Go to http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au and click on Animals, and then Honey bees. John Article 32736 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: patterson00269@earthlink.net (Norman Patterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: 5 Jul 2002 03:03:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.151.88.159 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025863397 14207 127.0.0.1 (5 Jul 2002 10:03:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 10:03:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!news.uky.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32736 My hive swarmed 2 weeks ago. I went through afterwards and there were lots of bees. I couldn't find the queen but I saw several queen cells. I went in again yesterday and couldn't find any eggs. I found some larva, capped brood but no eggs. I looked hard for the queen and couldn't find her. I'm pretty good at finding the queen. There was lots of honey. The queen cells were uncapped. The hive was very quiet and docile. Can I put a queen in at this time of year? If so, where would I order one from? Norm Patterson New Hartford, CT Article 32737 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Hooper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020629093249.23292.00001264@mb-co.aol.com> Subject: Re: Used Equipment needed Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:13:13 +1000 Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: ts136.pcug.org.au Message-ID: <3d257170@newshost.pcug.org.au> X-Trace: 5 Jul 2002 20:14:08 +1000, ts136.pcug.org.au Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.optus.net.au!optus!newshost.pcug.org.au!ts136.pcug.org.au Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32737 Beecrofter, Your idea of sliding a cappings scratcher under the cappings sounds very interesting. Would you please describe the method in more detail. Is the scratcher held at a shallow angle and used to lift off (or cut through) the cell caps? What is the advantage over scratching with a tool held more vertical? ------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hooper Canberra, Australia "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020629093249.23292.00001264@mb-co.aol.com... > Look into cappings scratchers > especially when you just start out as all the comb isn't fully drawn out or > even. > Don't scratch slide them along under the cappings. > > Article 32738 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Van Dijk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 13:26:46 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b7290.free.wxs.nl X-Trace: reader11.wxs.nl 1025868594 852 213.75.114.144 (5 Jul 2002 11:29:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 11:29:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newshub1.nl.home.com!news.nl.home.com!amsnews01.chello.com!newsfeed.wxs.nl!news.wxs.nl!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32738 Norman Patterson schreef in berichtnieuws 72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com... > My hive swarmed 2 weeks ago. I went through afterwards and there were > lots of bees. I couldn't find the queen but I saw several queen > cells. > > I went in again yesterday and couldn't find any eggs. I found some > larva, capped brood but no eggs. I looked hard for the queen and > couldn't find her. I'm pretty good at finding the queen. > > Can I put a queen in at this time of year? > > If so, where would I order one from? > > Just wait and be patient! Do not open the hive, you will disturb the natural behaviour of the bees! A young queen starts laying eggs only when all brood has gone. It takes 24 days after the old queen left with the swarm. Article 32739 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Marc Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: French honey? Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:33:21 +0200 Organization: Electricite de France Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3D25AE31.B4356B7D@edf.fr> References: <6954iuge67used42l3fpdq57mmjf3h9s0t@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rep20aa.der.edf.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: clnews.edf.fr 1025879518 13237 149.251.134.36 (5 Jul 2002 14:31:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadm@news.edf.fr NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 2002 14:31:58 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [fr] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: fr Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.edf.fr!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32739 Hello A work colleague who is also a beekeeper in his spare time has difficulties selling his honey production in Fance. He has 140 kg (308 lbs) to spare. If you are interested answer directly to marc.louat@edf.fr or marc.louat@planetis.com Steve Newport a écrit : > > Anybody with French honey for import to the UK Article 32740 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:34:59 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i32-0418.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1025893988 21326 195.159.90.163 (5 Jul 2002 18:33:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 18:33:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32740 Hi Norman, A hive will very rarely end up without a queen due to swarming. However, what you might experience is that if the weather conditions are good, the first young queen(s) that comes out of the cell(s) will leave the hive with new smaller swarm(s). It's therefore common practise to remove all queen cells except one. You should inspect the cell after it's due to make sure that the larvae developed as expected. However, a larvae rarely dies if the cell isn't damaged in any way. Moreover, it's useful to remember the different stages in a queens development, 3 days as egg, 5 days as open larvae, and 8 days capped. A hive that has swarmed will accept any new introduced queen from the day their own first queen is supposed to arrive. However, all cells and a possible new queen must first be removed from the hive. A new young queen is small and fast and an expert in hiding. Consequently easily overlooked. Good luck. Johan "Norman Patterson" skrev i melding news:72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com... > My hive swarmed 2 weeks ago. I went through afterwards and there were > lots of bees. I couldn't find the queen but I saw several queen > cells. > > I went in again yesterday and couldn't find any eggs. I found some > larva, capped brood but no eggs. I looked hard for the queen and > couldn't find her. I'm pretty good at finding the queen. > > There was lots of honey. > > The queen cells were uncapped. > > The hive was very quiet and docile. > > Can I put a queen in at this time of year? > > If so, where would I order one from? > > Norm Patterson > New Hartford, CT Article 32741 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:40:50 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-200-231.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1025894500 news.dial.pipex.com 8507 62.190.200.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.wind.surfnet.nl!surfnet.nl!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32741 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter , entitled "Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs", jim wrote >That should at least be a start. Many thanks, Jim! /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 32742 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 20:03:08 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 41 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-200-231.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1025895801 news.dial.pipex.com 230 62.190.200.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.mailgate.org!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!bnewspeer01.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed03.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32742 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter , entitled "Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs", jim wrote >That should at least be a start. Those pages are really interesting, and help also to clarify what the labels in the shops mean, and the first page you cited even helps to clarify why the legislators are legislating as they are. Were you able to find anything about the process of having substances approved for use on bees? What is the process over there in the US? I suppose at this stage I am just curious. All these folks using powdered sugar to detect the varroa, etc: how long will it be, and what would it entail for one of them (us?) to go through the process of trying to get it noticed by the appropriate bodies? I think for a lot of folks (not just bee folks), these procedures (how substances, products, foods, etc. get to be approved for use) are a great mystery. My tendency, of course, is to wonder, "if it's as clear as mud, well, WHY is it only as clear as mud?" I suppose I could try HM Stationer's office for some kind of forms and notes, but what exactly am I to ask for? Is there a web page/book/article/anything that explains the process of approving stuff for agricultural or food use within the UK or the EU (for we are doomed, it would seem, to the same course at the moment)? Sorry to ask you for more. I feel like what we call over here to be "on a good wicket" now. with many thanks, Kelly Anderson /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 32743 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Another SIG file Spammer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Message-ID: <050720021348032828%spam@er.com> References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 14 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 19:49:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1025898587 161.184.141.129 (Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:49:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 13:49:47 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32743 > /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S > -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY > // > // Kelly and Sandy Anderson > // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) > // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ > // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: > // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 > */ What the hell is this besides a 9 line crap spam SIG file advertisement for what.......??? Article 32744 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Sabine Eltermann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:11:50 +0200 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p508ec644.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (80.142.198.68) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025903504 18962680 80.142.198.68 (16 [145558]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.online.be!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!p508ec644.dip0.t-ipconnect.DE!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32744 Hi, Norman, be patient! If all queen cells are uncapped, there will be a young queen! Mr. Van Dijk is right, she will start laying when the old brood is off the cells. If you looked for her in the afternoon, maybe she is on her mating flight... Wait for another two weeks before you open the hive again otherwise you may loose her by being killed by the other bees, who are not her daughters. (I've lost 3 in this way this year just because I was impatient...) Sabine Article 32745 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 23:29:08 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i32-0429.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1025904437 24271 195.159.90.174 (5 Jul 2002 21:27:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:27:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!uio.no!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32745 Oh, sorry that I overlooked the sentence in Norman's message where it says that all queen cells were uncapped. Consequently, there should only be one young queen in the hive. However, I don't see why the young queen should get killed by the other bees if the hive is opened. I've had bees for twenty years and have never seen that happen. Why should they want to kill the queen? Johan "Sabine Eltermann" skrev i melding news:ag522g$i2m7o$1@ID-145558.news.dfncis.de... > Hi, Norman, > be patient! If all queen cells are uncapped, there will be a young queen! > Mr. Van Dijk is right, she will start laying when the old brood is off the > cells. If you looked for her in the afternoon, maybe she is on her mating > flight... > Wait for another two weeks before you open the hive again otherwise you may > loose her by being killed by the other bees, who are not her daughters. > (I've lost 3 in this way this year just because I was impatient...) > Sabine > > Article 32746 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3Pdg$OAEChJ9EwSv@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:32:52 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> <050720021348032828%spam@er.com> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-203-69.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1025904785 news.dial.pipex.com 238 62.190.203.69 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewsifeed02.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32746 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter <050720021348032828%spam@er.com >, entitled "Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs", Another SIG file Spammer wrote >What the hell is this besides a 9 line crap spam SIG file advertisement >for what.......??? Well, for that you'll have to ask my husband. He believes that folks intelligent and persevering enough will eventually figure out how to send private email to us directly at these addresses, should they have a genuine desire to do so. I have indeed received mail from several newsgroup folks who were able to get beyond the spamguarding. I leave his standard sig on my own emails because it's easier and doesn't require me to eventually explain to him why I would remove it when he catches me doing it. It used to bear our telephone number as well. It's not an advertisement for anything. It tells people -- but not scanning "bots" -- how to get in touch with us. It gives you our real names, and several ways of contacting us. Which is more than I can say for "Another SIG file Spammer ". Really, you do waste your time. /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 32747 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020703103008.17565.00002130@mb-mk.aol.com> Subject: Re: Comb Honey Containers Lines: 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <5koV8.288090$_j6.14169425@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 16:37:05 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-6tBJNkyc4r5eEpYMoimd3cKaxKyYnNT+AnExYaA+5XIalvqRsXdUQEZONO1GwDiSUDJvCgjRmrIx7Dr!jZWVcxzvLHAxRIi6wZ0Bg/+p1InFxm/miaEgYen2evMROLRGvxDeHxNLODH1LICDlLPPaWDA6y92!ytxu+Al5933icyJEAwc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:37:05 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32747 Hello Bill, Let me understand exactly what you're wanting to do. You want a container (probably glass) that will hold a whole intact (without the wood) shallow frame of honey comb. I'm assuming you want it to be something like 11 inches long and 5 inches in diameter with a mouth about the same size. Let me know if this is correct. I might know of a place. Mark in West Texas "BillsHsFrm" wrote in message news:20020703103008.17565.00002130@mb-mk.aol.com... > Does anyone know where I can fine containers that will hold a complete shallow > of comb honey. I know I've seen an ad somewhere. I've e-mailed three large bee > supply co. and no luck. I thought it would be a good seller at the farm market > this year. Thanks for any help. Bill > Article 32748 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 23 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jadms5@aol.com (JAdms5) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Jul 2002 23:29:05 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Help please - hive in chimney ! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32748 Can someone help please, I had been a beekeeper for some years - until veroa finished me off - but friends still ask my advice which I can usually manage. Not this time though. Our local farmer ( Burghfield, Berks ) has a hive established in the chimney of his early Victorian farmhouse, which is very tall. He has had the local Pest Control people out, who charged him £50.00 for letting off a smoke bomb in the hearth which of course did nothing. He said he was about to light a big log fire and burn them out, like his Dad used to do when the chimney needed cleaning. I cautioned him against, unless he has the Fire Brigade standing by. I suggested a good chimney sweep who has probably done this before. Apparently the flue is big enough for a small boy to climb up, and brushes won't do much good, he says. He then said he'll just wait for winter when they'll die out. I said he ought to tackle them urgently now. Can anyone offer advice please?? Many Thanks John Article 32749 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: billshsfrm@aol.com (BillsHsFrm) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jul 2002 00:44:08 GMT References: <5koV8.288090$_j6.14169425@bin3.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Comb Honey Containers Message-ID: <20020705204408.26780.00001719@mb-cv.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32749 Hi Mark What I want is a cardboard container of some type that will hold a shallow comb of honey, with or without cellophane to show the honeycomb. At present I sell it in the 4.25x4.25 in a plastic cont. I buy from Mann Lake. I thought it would be a big seller if the customer could pick their own frame of comb honey out and I would cut it out and put it in a container or sell it with frame attached and put in a cont. I know I saw an ad a long time ago with comb honey packaged this way Regds Bill in S.E. Mich Article 32750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 03:10:25 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i30-0276.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1025917714 27884 195.159.53.20 (6 Jul 2002 01:08:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:08:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.213.112.26!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32750 Hi John, concerning the Fire Brigade, you are worried the wax will catch fire when melting? Anyway, is there electricity in the farmhouse? "JAdms5" skrev i melding news:20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com... > Can someone help please, > > I had been a beekeeper for some years - until veroa finished me off - but > friends still ask my advice which I can usually manage. Not this time though. > > Our local farmer ( Burghfield, Berks ) has a hive established in the chimney of > his early Victorian farmhouse, which is very tall. He has had the local Pest > Control people out, who charged him £50.00 for letting off a smoke bomb in the > hearth which of course did nothing. He said he was about to light a big log > fire and burn them out, like his Dad used to do when the chimney needed > cleaning. I cautioned him against, unless he has the Fire Brigade standing > by. I suggested a good chimney sweep who has probably done this before. > Apparently the flue is big enough for a small boy to climb up, and brushes > won't do much good, he says. He then said he'll just wait for winter when > they'll die out. I said he ought to tackle them urgently now. > > Can anyone offer advice please?? > > Many Thanks > > John > > Article 32751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Me Again Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Message-ID: <050720022003562162%me@again.com> References: <9y2yAYAuN8I9Ewpl@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> <050720021348032828%spam@er.com> <3Pdg$OAEChJ9EwSv@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 34 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 02:05:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1025921140 161.184.141.129 (Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:05:40 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 20:05:40 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32751 > Kelly and Sandy wrote: > It gives you our real names, and several ways of contacting us. Well I'll be sporting and give you a stretch on the munging of your e-mail addy but pray tell why would anyone enclose a hyperlink to their own personal vanity site and then MUNGE the URL. That defies logic. By the way since you are talking about your hubby and intelligence then I have to presume that both of you intelligent people are well aware of newsgroup netiquette that SIG file should be no more than two lines. But you two new that already...... Now didn't you. Oh by the way why did you reply using your real e-mail addy...??? kelsan@dial.pipex.com Your not even consistent. Arn't you afraid that all those bots will pick it up. Yuppers folks..... Another poster trying to justify an abnoxiously long SIG file advertisement. Well at least they are not posting in HTML. > Really, you do waste your time. And at 9 extra lines of SIG file with each and every posting you two make ( in any newsgroup ) spread over at least ten thousand newservers you Madam are wasting bandwidth every time you hit the post button. Article 32752 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jul 2002 12:12:24 GMT References: <050720022003562162%me@again.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Message-ID: <20020706081224.19564.00001934@mb-dd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32752 You two cyber geeks do know that you can actually send e-mails to one and other and not involve the newsgroup with this. Article 32753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Just Me Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Message-ID: <060720021110151370%just@me.com> References: <050720022003562162%me@again.com> <20020706081224.19564.00001934@mb-dd.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 44 Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:11:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 1025975518 161.184.141.129 (Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:11:58 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:11:58 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32753 > HarrisonRW wrote: > You two cyber geeks do know that you can actually send e-mails to one and > other > and not involve the newsgroup with this. Harrison..... I never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever use my correct e-mail addy when posting to a public newsgroup and I never, ever, ever, ever, send anyone an e-mail that I found in a newsgroup. When Kelly and Sandy kelsan@dial.pipex.com post to this newsgroup and have a huge and obnoxious SIG file that dominates the screen for their own little personal vanity site that does little more than stroke their ego then I have no problem pointing out the obvious. Harrison..... Many people munge their e-mail addy but does it require a SIG file like this to explain it.....??? /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ And Harrison..... How many people do you know that post a hyperlink to their very own site and then munge the URL. That is stupidity at the extreme. Add to that the PGP signature...... Good grief.... Someone from this group is going to start impersonating them perhaps, and as a result they need a PGP signature in a beekeeping newsgroup to verify their authenticity. That's vanity and arrogance in the extreme Newsgroup netiquette over the years has consistently agreed that a 2 line (discrete) SIG file is generally acceptable..... A 9 line SIG file is not. Article 32754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jul 2002 18:05:34 GMT References: <060720021110151370%just@me.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Message-ID: <20020706140534.05894.00002783@mb-mf.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32754 >When Kelly and Sandy kelsan@dial.pipex.com post to this newsgroup and >have a huge and obnoxious SIG file that dominates the screen for their >own little personal vanity site that does little more than stroke their >ego then I have no problem pointing out the obvious. I'm sorry but you really do need to get a real life. This SIG file thing is nothing to loose sleep over. Now let's get back to sci.agriculture.beekeeping Article 32755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0w4V8.27728$Hj3.85846@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> Subject: Re: INSPECTION & inspected Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:14:52 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.115.122 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025985995 144.138.115.122 (Sun, 07 Jul 2002 06:06:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 06:06:35 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32755 G,day John, I inspected my hives, there are a few drones. I extracted honey about one month ago, the returned frames are now becoming full of uncapped honey. The hives are 3 box hives, 2 brood, one honey. There is about five frames of brood the rest honey. Do you suggest I replace the honey frames in the brood boxes with light coloured drawn out frames or would I be better off with frames with new foundation? Thanks for your help. Malcolm "John Henderson" wrote in message news:ag3gfg$ikpks$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > > > G,day John > > Thank you for the information. I have phoned a friend who has > > hives. He inspected them on Monday and found drones, he has his > > hives at Harvey Bay, not too far from me. I will inspect mine > > over the weekend. I was also told of a good web site > > www.honeybee.com.au. I will check the site out after sending > > this off. > > Thank you > > NSW Agriculture has a great site too, packed with information. > Go to http://www.agric.nsw.gov.au and click on Animals, and then > Honey bees. > > John > > Article 32756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead bees out of the boxes. Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 06:21:58 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.115.122 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1025986421 144.138.115.122 (Sun, 07 Jul 2002 06:13:41 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 06:13:41 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32756 G,day folks, When I inspected my hives I noticed most of the hives had lots (20-50) dead bees on the ground outside of the front of the boxes. Because it is mid-winter here in Queensland and for the past week, nights have been down to 5c, would the weather have been the problem or could it be something else? Malcolm Article 32757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 23:12:31 +0200 Organization: Broennimann SA Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com> Reply-To: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-6-p32.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!news-ge.switch.ch!einstein.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32757 why not get a local beekeeper to bring them into a hive. will save the population. -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Switzerland portable/cellular 0041 78 6272967 "JAdms5" a écrit dans le message de news: 20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com... > Can someone help please, > > I had been a beekeeper for some years - until veroa finished me off - but > friends still ask my advice which I can usually manage. Not this time though. > > Our local farmer ( Burghfield, Berks ) has a hive established in the chimney of > his early Victorian farmhouse, which is very tall. He has had the local Pest > Control people out, who charged him £50.00 for letting off a smoke bomb in the > hearth which of course did nothing. He said he was about to light a big log > fire and burn them out, like his Dad used to do when the chimney needed > cleaning. I cautioned him against, unless he has the Fire Brigade standing > by. I suggested a good chimney sweep who has probably done this before. > Apparently the flue is big enough for a small boy to climb up, and brushes > won't do much good, he says. He then said he'll just wait for winter when > they'll die out. I said he ought to tackle them urgently now. > > Can anyone offer advice please?? > > Many Thanks > > John > > Article 32758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INSPECTION & inspected Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 07:40:36 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <0w4V8.27728$Hj3.85846@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.139.221.35 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025993178 20471031 144.139.221.35 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!144.139.221.35!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32758 "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > G,day John, > I inspected my hives, there are a few drones. I extracted > honey about one month ago, the returned frames are now becoming > full of uncapped honey. The hives are 3 box hives, 2 brood, > one honey. There is about five frames of brood the rest honey. > Do you suggest I replace the honey frames in the brood boxes > with light coloured drawn out frames or would I be better off > with frames with new foundation? > Thanks for your help. > Malcolm Personally, when replacing frames in a brood box, I prefer to use light coloured drawn out frames which are composed entirely of worker cells. This is part of my swarm-control strategy. John Article 32759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jadms5@aol.com (JAdms5) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jul 2002 22:36:56 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Message-ID: <20020706183656.25498.00002143@mb-mi.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!nntp.abs.net!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32759 >why not get a local beekeeper to bring them into a hive. will save the >population. Hi Johan Hi Martin-Paul. Yes Johan there is electricity in the house. How does this matter ? And OK Martin-Paul How does a local beekeeper bring them into a hive. The chimney is VERY high !! I've taken lots of swarms in my time but this is an established colony and really inaccessible. Please explain more !! Article 32760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead bees out of the boxes. Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:00:35 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-627.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1025996530 14239 217.135.49.115 (6 Jul 2002 23:02:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 2002 23:02:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!micro-heart-of-gold.mit.edu!isdnet!proxad.net!teaser.fr!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32760 20-50 is not many! Bees do die in winter - a colony here may go into winter with 15000-18000 bees and have only 10000 left by spring. It is a good sign that they are outside - this means that there are bees inside keeping the hive clean, so they are probably doing fine. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Malcolm Perrement" wrote in message news:VbIV8.28977$Hj3.89114@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > G,day folks, > When I inspected my hives I noticed most of the hives had lots (20-50) dead > bees on the ground outside of the front of the boxes. Because it is > mid-winter here in Queensland and for the past week, nights have been down > to 5c, would the weather have been the problem or could it be something > else? > Malcolm > > Article 32761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 02:14:27 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <20020706183656.25498.00002143@mb-mi.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i32-0452.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1026000755 18072 195.159.90.197 (7 Jul 2002 00:12:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 00:12:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.213.112.26!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32761 Hi again John, guess I should have expanded last time instead of asking about the electricity. Anyway, a solution might be to put a kind of board on the top of the chimney. A regular box with a small whole that the bees will have to pass through in order to get in and out of the chimney might do the trick. Then a vacum cleaner should be arranged so the "pipe"? is close to the whole, drawing the bees into it when they pass by. I caught a swarm recently that was not accessible any other way. The bees got crushed in the wacum cleaner but it worked very well. The cleaner should run on a low level since it might be tough on the fan. Have it run in the middle of the day, as long as bees can be seen passing by. It shouldn't take long before the colony is dramatically reduced in size... eventually dying out. Johan "JAdms5" skrev i melding news:20020706183656.25498.00002143@mb-mi.aol.com... > >why not get a local beekeeper to bring them into a hive. will save the > >population. > > Hi Johan Hi Martin-Paul. > > Yes Johan there is electricity in the house. How does this matter ? > > And OK Martin-Paul How does a local beekeeper bring them into a hive. The > chimney is VERY high !! I've taken lots of swarms in my time but this is an > established colony and really inaccessible. Please explain more !! Article 32762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 10:46:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3d281bc9.398654630@news1.radix.net> References: <050720022003562162%me@again.com> <20020706081224.19564.00001934@mb-dd.aol.com> <060720021110151370%just@me.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32762 On Sat, 06 Jul 2002 17:11:58 GMT, Just Me wrote: >> HarrisonRW wrote: > >> You two cyber geeks do know that you can actually send e-mails to one and >> other >> and not involve the newsgroup with this. > >Harrison..... I never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever use my correct >e-mail addy when posting to a public newsgroup and I never, >ever, ever, ever, send anyone an e-mail that I found in a newsgroup. > >When Kelly and Sandy kelsan@dial.pipex.com post to this newsgroup and >have a huge and obnoxious SIG file that dominates the screen for their >own little personal vanity site that does little more than stroke their >ego then I have no problem pointing out the obvious. > You should go to Ebay and type "life" into the search box because you really need to get one. beekeep Article 32763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <9z%V8.23190$Wb5.714386@twister.southeast.rr.com> Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:15:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1026065733 24.31.194.116 (Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:15:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 14:15:33 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32763 You may well have a virgin that hasn't yet started laying. The calmness is a clue that the bees think they have a queen; that is good. Give them a frame of brood with some eggs on it. It will help them get going again, and it is a test of queenlessness. If they build cells they truly are queenless. You will not get a fully queenless hive to accept an introduced queen without some young bees, so don't waste queens by that route. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "Norman Patterson" wrote in message news:72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com... > My hive swarmed 2 weeks ago. I went through afterwards and there were > lots of bees. I couldn't find the queen but I saw several queen > cells. > > I went in again yesterday and couldn't find any eggs. I found some > larva, capped brood but no eggs. I looked hard for the queen and > couldn't find her. I'm pretty good at finding the queen. > > There was lots of honey. > > The queen cells were uncapped. > > The hive was very quiet and docile. > > Can I put a queen in at this time of year? > > If so, where would I order one from? > > Norm Patterson > New Hartford, CT Article 32764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0w4V8.27728$Hj3.85846@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> Subject: Re: INSPECTION & inspected Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:00:18 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.101 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1026075115 144.134.81.101 (Mon, 08 Jul 2002 06:51:55 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 06:51:55 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32764 G,day Thank you John for the advice. I will do that after I have aired the frames. I enjoyed visiting the web site you suggested. Thank you Malcolm. "John Henderson" wrote in message news:ag7pkp$jgn7n$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > "Malcolm Perrement" wrote: > > > G,day John, > > I inspected my hives, there are a few drones. I extracted > > honey about one month ago, the returned frames are now becoming > > full of uncapped honey. The hives are 3 box hives, 2 brood, > > one honey. There is about five frames of brood the rest honey. > > Do you suggest I replace the honey frames in the brood boxes > > with light coloured drawn out frames or would I be better off > > with frames with new foundation? > > Thanks for your help. > > Malcolm > > Personally, when replacing frames in a brood box, I prefer to use > light coloured drawn out frames which are composed entirely of > worker cells. This is part of my swarm-control strategy. > > John > > Article 32765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:32:08 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i32-0470.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1026120614 24710 195.159.90.215 (8 Jul 2002 09:30:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:30:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32765 So John, How is it going with the swarm in the chimeny? It's not a lot of activity in this group and it would be nice to hear how things turn out.... Johan "JAdms5" skrev i melding news:20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com... > Can someone help please, > > I had been a beekeeper for some years - until veroa finished me off - but > friends still ask my advice which I can usually manage. Not this time though. > > Our local farmer ( Burghfield, Berks ) has a hive established in the chimney of > his early Victorian farmhouse, which is very tall. He has had the local Pest > Control people out, who charged him £50.00 for letting off a smoke bomb in the > hearth which of course did nothing. He said he was about to light a big log > fire and burn them out, like his Dad used to do when the chimney needed > cleaning. I cautioned him against, unless he has the Fire Brigade standing > by. I suggested a good chimney sweep who has probably done this before. > Apparently the flue is big enough for a small boy to climb up, and brushes > won't do much good, he says. He then said he'll just wait for winter when > they'll die out. I said he ought to tackle them urgently now. > > Can anyone offer advice please?? > > Many Thanks > > John > > Article 32766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what do I do if there's no queen? July 4 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:52:10 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com> <9z%V8.23190$Wb5.714386@twister.southeast.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i32-0470.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1026121816 25049 195.159.90.215 (8 Jul 2002 09:50:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:50:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32766 Dave, it's a good suggestion to put in a frame of brood with eggs to test for queenlessness. At the same time, my experience is that a young queen rarely disappears when out for mating. On the other hand, if it should happen, the queenless hive will then accept ANY new queen introduced to them. Similarly, the young queen can be removed from the hive and replaced by any other, young or older. This is useful to know if your'e not happy with what you've got and have bought some valueable queens instead. This applies before the original young one has started to lay eggs. Then things become a bit more trickier. There is also one other exception to the rule though. If the community has been withouth a queen for so long that one or more workers have started to lay eggs.... then it might be almost impossible to introduce a new one. In general, beginners have a tendency to believe that the queen is missing and therefore tries to put new ones in. It gets killed and it's usually believed to be because they have disturbed the hive in any way. The reason for the new queen not being accepted is of course that the hive already has one. "Dave Green" skrev i melding news:9z%V8.23190$Wb5.714386@twister.southeast.rr.com... > You may well have a virgin that hasn't yet started laying. The calmness > is a clue that the bees think they have a queen; that is good. Give them a > frame of brood with some eggs on it. It will help them get going again, and > it is a test of queenlessness. If they build cells they truly are queenless. > You will not get a fully queenless hive to accept an introduced queen > without some young bees, so don't waste queens by that route. > -- > Dave Green SC USA > The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com > > > "Norman Patterson" wrote in message > news:72bffab4.0207050203.3bad4004@posting.google.com... > > My hive swarmed 2 weeks ago. I went through afterwards and there were > > lots of bees. I couldn't find the queen but I saw several queen > > cells. > > > > I went in again yesterday and couldn't find any eggs. I found some > > larva, capped brood but no eggs. I looked hard for the queen and > > couldn't find her. I'm pretty good at finding the queen. > > > > There was lots of honey. > > > > The queen cells were uncapped. > > > > The hive was very quiet and docile. > > > > Can I put a queen in at this time of year? > > > > If so, where would I order one from? > > > > Norm Patterson > > New Hartford, CT > > Article 32767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help please - hive in chimney ! Date: 8 Jul 2002 13:28:37 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 45 Message-ID: <700de225.0207081228.351109fb@posting.google.com> References: <20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.3.143 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1026160118 5390 127.0.0.1 (8 Jul 2002 20:28:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 2002 20:28:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32767 jadms5@aol.com (JAdms5) wrote in message news:<20020705192905.25419.00002174@mb-cp.aol.com>... > Can someone help please, John Been there done it though probably not quite on the scale of the problem you're talking about. I dealt with a similar problem in a friend's house - smaller chimney though which may have helped. I used smoke bombs that are designed for cleaning a greenhouse of bugs. I think there was three in the packet, and I lit all three and blocked off the fire place apart from allowing air in at the bottom. It was totally successful. As I was inside it never realy established whether the bees actually flew off - there was a lot of dead ones on the path outside. Presumably the same technique would apply with a bigger chimney and more bombs. The fire was never used and was blocked off again after I'd done my bit. The concern would be then if a fire was lit in the fireplace as there would be a danger of a chimney fire. Regretably we don't have little boys now adays ! But a sweep with a large enough brush should be able to shift most of the wax when there are no bees there. Rob > I had been a beekeeper for some years - until veroa finished me off - but > friends still ask my advice which I can usually manage. Not this time though. > > Our local farmer ( Burghfield, Berks ) has a hive established in the chimney of > his early Victorian farmhouse, which is very tall. He has had the local Pest > Control people out, who charged him £50.00 for letting off a smoke bomb in the > hearth which of course did nothing. He said he was about to light a big log > fire and burn them out, like his Dad used to do when the chimney needed > cleaning. I cautioned him against, unless he has the Fire Brigade standing > by. I suggested a good chimney sweep who has probably done this before. > Apparently the flue is big enough for a small boy to climb up, and brushes > won't do much good, he says. He then said he'll just wait for winter when > they'll die out. I said he ought to tackle them urgently now. > > Can anyone offer advice please?? > > Many Thanks > > John Article 32768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Bowden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Granulated honey Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 18 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-111-100.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1026163767 21353 213.122.111.100 (8 Jul 2002 21:29:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 21:29:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32768 I stupidly omitted to remove a super of oilseed rape honey on time and, predictably, it is now completely granulated - certainly, impossible to extract. I seem to remember reading that scoring through these granulated frames (with a hive tool) will induce bees to consume the honey and, effectively, reuse and rebuild. Have I got this right? Given that there is plenty of late oilseed rape just coming into flower, I'd have thought that the colony will go for that, rather than the granulated stuff (and I'd prefer them to, of course.) So, is there anything I can do with these frames at the moment - particularly anything that will enable me to reuse the super fairly soon? Apologies if this is a question that has already been dealt with: I don't get to read this Newsgroup that often. Any help very gratefully received. Paul Bowden UK Article 32769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peem" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeder jars for water? Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 00:31:26 +0200 Organization: news.onet.pl Lines: 15 Sender: sdmrules@poczta.onet.pl@212.191.160.225 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.191.160.225 X-Trace: news.onet.pl 1026167481 6275 212.191.160.225 (8 Jul 2002 22:31:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@onet.pl NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 2002 22:31:21 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!news.man.poznan.pl!news.nask.pl!news.ipartners.pl!news.rmf.pl!agh.edu.pl!news.agh.edu.pl!news.onet.pl!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32769 U¿ytkownik "Patrick Dugan" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci news:afb32q$631$1@ins22.netins.net... > Anyone use feeder jars to supply water for your bees? Where I live > (southwestern Missouri in United States) we often get a dry period during > the summer that last approximately two months. This occurs after the rainy > season which also lasts a couple of months. I am debating using the feeder > jars and giving the bees water during that period. Is this a sensible > thing to do or am I causing any problems? You should supply your bees with water from Spring to Winter. Article 32770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: 1@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to Say ADIOS to Your..."J.O.B." 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This message is sent in compliance of the proposed bill SECTION 301, paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 1618. * This message is not intended for residents in the State of Washington, Virginia or California, screening of addresses has been done to the best of our technical ability. nrbrhcyuphbzzfkphmjrnhklxmzfwzmdqnuuwhgkrk Article 32771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "..." Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: HELP!!!! Call out the reserves! We're under attack! Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 01:16:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.16.70 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1026177375 216.26.16.70 (Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:16:15 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 18:16:15 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:650 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32771 If the star thisle grows that readly Id just keep it off your land and let the bees gather from the neighbors places... Bees will go a long ways to forage... I winder if the star thissle is the same thing as the stinging nettles we hage growing wild here in Oregon.. seems the hotter the Summer the more you see of that around.... its a purple flowwer that looks like a pincone shape with lots of sharp pointed thissles sticking out... I know that herbal people freeze dry the leaves of the plan and sell it as a alergy remedy.... Brian > Aside from the two battles, this morning, there were foragers coming and > going like crazy, with a HUGE percentage of the incoming bees toting > gigantic wads of pollen. Guessing from the color, it looks like the > first of the star thistle has started popping open. From my reading, > that's a really *REALLY* good bee flower, and I seem to recall at least > one mention of it being planted deliberately out here back in days gone > by, specifically for the purpose of providing bee-chow. I've got mixed > feelings about the stuff... I'm a horseman first, a beekeeper later. > Star thistle is mechanically dangerous (For those of you not familiar > with the plant, it has a mass of spikes on the flower heads that bear a > *VERY* strong resemblance to steel straight-pins - a REALLY good way to > tear up a horse's mouth and innards) to horses, and to add insult to > injury, it's also a cumulative chemical toxin to them, causing a problem > that I've often heard described as "horsey alzheimers" because of the > effect it has on the physical structure (and functionality...) of their > brains. They get enough of the stuff, it'll kill 'em, and in a rather > ugly fashion, even without the spikes. > > So I'm kinda torn in two directions... Yeah, it's great bee-graze, but > it's toxic to my first priority: the horses. So what do I do? I rip it > out anytime I spot a plant anywhere near where one of our horses is > likely to get near. Doesn't do a lot of good, though... We're literally > surrounded by the stuff. One neighbor up the road has a hillside that > covers about 3-4 acres. This time of year, the *ONLY* thing growing on > it besides half a dozen or so oak trees is star thistle, from one edge > to the other. Walking through that section of land without armored pants > is a good way to bleed to death! > > > > But anyway... > It sounds like about all I can really do right now is hope for the > best... > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. > Article 32772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: F