>From pimentel@roots.ultranet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:40 EDT 1995 Article: 2215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!r oots.ultranet.com!pimentel From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisation s Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:13:22 LOCAL Organization: Whatever I wish it to be at the time Lines: 44 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <950708133030294@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: roots.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <950708133030294@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur ) writes: >Hello All, > This network news group stuff is really getting confusing. If anyone >has been able to follow it please advise us all as how or what effects >it will have on sci.agriculture.beekeeping. > It's not clear to me if it is being eliminated, combined, or staying >the same. After reading this post several times it seems to have not >been mentioned so I would guess it is staying the same, but want to be >sure. > I can support adding more agricultural news groups, but this is too >many at one shot, and very confusing to at least me. Why, is it confusing? >We are part of agriculture, but >have alway's been been separate and I think that is good and we should >keep it that way as far as news groups go. And I heard from the individual that created this group that the farming groups belonged in this hierarchy. OK, we (that's the proponents and I) are proposing just that and now you have a problem with it. Please decide what it is you want. And no it is not confusing, if you take the time to breakdown the groups being presented. There will be three farming groups, they will be in sci.agriculture.*, under a hierarchy called livestock. There will be eight newsgroups added to rec.pets.* three of which will be under rodents, and finally there will be ten newsgroups added to a newly created hirarchy called misc.wildlife.*, one of these will be opened to include dolphins. And finally there are two renames not previously included. What does this have to do with beekeeping? Nothing, other than the livestock groups coming into the neighbourhood and the proposed rename of the parent group, sci.agriculture to sci.agriculture.misc And no I'm not a news.group guru. On last note: None of this will happen if people don't vote for it. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:42 EDT 1995 Article: 2216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.n et!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisatio Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 02:43:00 GMT Message-ID: <950708221808297@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <950708133030294@beenet. com> Lines: 26 P>From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) >Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisati >s P>In article <950708133030294@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachba >) writes: P>And I heard from the individual that created this group that the farming >groups belonged in this hierarchy. OK, we (that's the proponents and I) >are proposing just that and now you have a problem with it. Please decide >what it is you want. hELLO John, Sorry to pull on your chain. I got no problem, in fact it looks better to me the more it is explained, but maybe I find it a little hard to follow. If I understand what you have posted there will be NO change to the beekeeping news group and that is what I was interested in. I will vote for that, and adding the new news groups too. As for what I want, that would be to continue the beekeeping news group with out a lot of off topic posts if possible. ttul Andy- >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisation s Date: 9 Jul 1995 01:26:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3tnb78$mm0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <950708133030294@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf No the newsgroup is staying the same: in fact hopefully more newsgroups will go under the sci.agriculture.* hierarchy, strengthening the alliance of folks in agriculture may they be producers, enthusiasts or scientists. All the wind being blown about the change was basically just that: hot air. But, if someone ever decides to change this newsgroup or any other that you like, it is your job to keep informed, and to vote. Net gurus have the power to remove even the best laid plans, so keep alert: even posting a simple "what's all this garbage mean" post is okay--even encouraged. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From E2Y1@UNB.CA Fri Jul 14 01:45:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans .net!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.unb.ca!UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA From: "Mrs. Andrea Gatto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles Date: 08 JUL 95 11:52:42 AST Organization: The University of New Brunswick Lines: 18 Sender: usenet@UNB.CA Message-ID: <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: unbvm1.csd.unb.ca Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles? I would like to try this, as my father in law has started beekeeping as a hobby. Thanks in advance. -andrea. >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Multi Queen Environment Date: 9 Jul 1995 02:23:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3tnejb$nj3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3tlqad$5p7@grovel.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3tlqad$5p7@grovel.iafrica.com>, Rod Ladwig wrote: >I have also known of cases here in >africa that some beekeepers have had up to 5 queens in a hive. > Interesting! How big were the hives--how were the boxes allocated to each queen? Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:48 EDT 1995 Article: 2220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.h olonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisatio Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 05:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <950709062718301@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3tnb78$mm0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <950708133030294@beenet.com> Lines: 82 A>From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) >Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisati >s A> No the newsgroup is staying the same: in fact hopefully more newsgroups >will go under the sci.agriculture.* hierarchy, strengthening the alliance >of folks in agriculture may they be producers, enthusiasts or scientists. Thanks Adam, I like the idea of having more news groups and will subscribe to them for my bbs users. The beekeepers are doing a good job on watching the few agriculture groups and lists that are around now for questions on bees and other topics they are interested in. I am sure that will increase with more news groups if they are voted in. ttul Andy- __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ : WILD BEE'S BBS Beekeeping Support BBS 209-826-8107 : : BEEKEEPING FAQ'S Beekeeper's Helping Beekeepers : : : : How to USE: : : : : To receive a Beekeeping FAQ via E-MAIL, send a message to : : to the FAQ name @beenet.com - For example, to get a copy : : of this message, (WILDBEES.FAQ), send a internet E-MAIL : : to: wildbees.faq@beenet.com ..To get a copy of the INDEX : : of APICULTURAL ISSUES AND ANSWERS newsletters (APINDEX) : : you would send E-MAIL to: apindex@beenet.com. : : : : Mail runs are 6am & 6pm, California time zone. 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You make beeswax candles the same way you make other candles. However, you do have to first melt the beeswax, let the sediment drop to the bottom, and then strain the remaining wax through something like an old T-Shirt to get the remaining stuff out of it. You will lose some wax in the process. You can then use pure beeswax (which is wonderful!) or you can cut it with pariffin. Check out local craft stores, etc. for books on candlemaking. Good Luck! Marjorie >From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei .com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!coopext.ca he.wsu.edu!collmans From: "Sharon J. Collman" Subject: Re: Re. purple loostrife discussion Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <950704173142241@beenet.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 07:33:18 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <950704173142241@beenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 42 On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > *Not all the mail I get on this subject has been anti beekeeper. > passed on with permission. > ---------------------------------------- > From: jwagner@mindspring.com (Jim Wagner) > To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com > Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 20:18:46 -0500 > Subject: Re. purple loostrife discussion > > Dear Beefriend, > > I am a brand new hobby beekeeper, only two hives started this spring. So I <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< snipped for brevity <<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Ask an enviornmentalist why a human couple can mate and raise a family in an > eight by ten room but it takes three square miles for a spotted owl to do > the same? Easy answer. The human couple draws upon the resources of most of the states of the US as well as countries of the world for food, shelter and clothing. The owl only has 3 square miles and has to work around the people. ---- Chirps! Sharon J. Collman OR Sharon J. Collman c/o Center For Urban Horticulture Box 354115 13720 23rd Ave. NE University of Washington Seattle, WA. 98125-3322 Seattle, WA 98195-4115 Phone: 206-543-8616 206-364-6966 Fax: 206-685-2692 EMail: collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu NOTE NEW ADDRESS: box and zip ext OR New address and phone >From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:51 EDT 1995 Article: 2223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng. mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!reuter.cse. ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!coopext.cahe.wsu.edu!collmans From: "Sharon J. Collman" Subject: Re: Prevention of Waxmoth Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 06:23:10 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 45 On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Mark Jensen wrote: > In article <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Richard Yates > wrote: > > > There may be some substance > > to store with the frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name, anyon e? > > Paradichlorobenzene, wax moth crystals. Mann Lake had permission to sell > it for wax moth control, but something was not right with the label and > the EPA is not allowing them to sell it at the present time. Mann Lake is > trying to get approval, but there is no way to know if and when they will > be successful. However, there is another source for para, janitorial > suppliers sell para as hockey puck shaped blocks for use in urinals. Make > sure they are 100% paradichlorobenzene, as other moth ball chemicals are > really bad news. > > Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com > > According to discussions on entomo-l, paradichlorobenzene (note the benzene) is nasty stuff and is being discontinued from use by museum workers. Does this have a registration for wax moth? Might their be a problem of contamination of honey? If it kills waxmoth, and dermestids in museums, what does it do to bees? I'm not familiar with this product for this us and am not a beekeeper, so I ask more to suggest caution and doublechecking before use. ---- Chirps! Sharon J. Collman OR Sharon J. Collman c/o Center For Urban Horticulture Box 354115 13720 23rd Ave. NE University of Washington Seattle, WA. 98125-3322 Seattle, WA 98195-4115 Phone: 206-543-8616 206-364-6966 Fax: 206-685-2692 EMail: collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu NOTE NEW ADDRESS: box and zip ext OR New address and phone >From eifert@ix.netcom.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:53 EDT 1995 Article: 2224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-sta te.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: eifert@ix.netcom.com (Darrell Eifert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintering: Thanks Date: 10 Jul 1995 15:30:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3trh3i$4er@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wor-ma1-09.ix.netcom.com Thanks to all who responded with information regarding wintering a hive for my uncle in North Carolina. I'll compile the information and forward it to him. Who knows -- I may get the beekeeping bug (no pun intended) and be back on line with some questions of my own! Take care. -- Darrell >From marko@pulse.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!mark o From: marko@pulse.com (Mark C. Orton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles Date: 10 Jul 1995 15:56:52 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3trik5$r8e@news.cais.com> References: <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: naomia.pulse.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Marjorie Rosen (marjorie@netcom.com) quoth: > Mrs. Andrea Gatto (E2Y1@UNB.CA) wrote: > : Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles? > : I would like to try this, as my father in law has started > : beekeeping as a hobby. > You make beeswax candles the same way you make other candles. However, > you do have to first melt the beeswax, let the sediment drop to the > bottom, and then strain the remaining wax through something like an old > T-Shirt to get the remaining stuff out of it. You will lose some wax in > the process. You can then use pure beeswax (which is wonderful!) or you > can cut it with pariffin. Check out local craft stores, etc. for books on > candlemaking. I'll add one more bit of wisdom to this: if you melt the wax in a copper (or copper-alloy) container, it will turn green. If you want the candles to be the natural beeswax color, avoid copper. -- Mark C. Orton employed by (but not speaking for) Pulse Communications, Inc. >From mkeithr@neosoft.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:56 EDT 1995 Article: 2226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans .net!spool.mu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!news.sesqui.net!uuneo.ne osoft.com!usenet From: mkeithr@neosoft.com (Keith Reynolds) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 10 Jul 1995 16:17:39 GMT Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 968 5800 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooter-slip-e2.neosoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 My mother has a problem hive residing in a Purple Martin house. She says they are Bumblebees. They are very aggressive and have made gardening/lawn mowing very hazardous. She has been stung once and my father twice. Any advice would be much appreciated. Incidentally, there are baby birds nesting in one of the other holes and they would like to not harm them if at all possible. Thanks in advance. >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:45:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Do Bee Stings Help Arthritis? Message-ID: <1995Jul10.164311.10861@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3ta7hm$dkd@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <3te0dc$49l@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:43:11 GMT Lines: 17 In article <3te0dc$49l@sun4.bham.ac.uk> altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) write s: > >It has been fairly well documented that bee keepers suffer less >from arthritis than the general population. The treatment is >simply to get stung on a regular basis. Whether it can >'cure' arthritis or just delay its onset I don't know. This is widely believed but I'd be very interested in the documentation you refer to. The person most seriously crippled with arthritis that I know (now confined to a wheelchair) was a beekeeper for many years before (and while) the disease developed. Draw your own conclusions. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From dave@alkham.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:45:58 EDT 1995 Article: 2228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!demon!alkham.demon.co.uk!dave From: dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Date: Sun, 09 Jul 95 22:56:19 GMT Organization: First Circle Lines: 13 Message-ID: <805330579snz@alkham.demon.co.uk> References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: dave@alkham.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: alkham.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Try contacting the local beekeeping association if there is one as they will often have members who are willing to come and remove the bees from you for free in order to (re)populate a hive. This is the way I ended up getting my first swarm (which was healthy). Swarms can cost as much as 100 ukp in the UK but these are kept (allegedly) in hygenic conditions and monitored for sickness before being sold on later so don't get greedy and imagine that anybody will PAY to remove your swarm! Good luck. -- Dave >From redotec@algonet.se Fri Jul 14 01:46:00 EDT 1995 Article: 2229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!seunet!news2.swip.net!news.algonet.se!usenet From: Margareta Berglund Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Paralysis Disease Date: 10 Jul 1995 18:42:43 GMT Organization: redotec Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3trsb3$6vu@alecto.algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: sophocles.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping A beekeeping colleague asked me to send this question. Is there anyone with info and/or knowledge about Bee Paralysis disease, or that can give me an idea on where to look for more information? I suspect an outbreak of Paralysis among my bees. Adult bees die off as soon as they start flying, some are found crawling near the hives with trembling motions. Some have one or two legs paralysed, some have one wing pointing in an odd direction. There is no spraying, to my knowledge, going on in the area where I have the bees. This affects 250 hives spread over an area of 20 km. This is the second season I have this problems, last year not so severe as now. Spring build up was normal in most hives, I got a box of honey on some in an early flow on dandelions. Then all of a sudden bees started to disappear, only young bees where left in the hives. Even queenrearing is affected, emerging queens show similar symtoms, with often paralysed and defect front legs. I hope someone can help me with more information on how to diagnose and prevent furter spread of the disease. The bees are located in Sweden on Latitude 60'. P-O Gustavsson Thanks in advance Margareta Berglund redotec@algonet.se >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:46:03 EDT 1995 Article: 2230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!dish.news.pipex .net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Message-ID: <1995Jul10.165427.11020@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:54:27 GMT Lines: 21 In article <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> William Mielke <75753 .3556@CompuServe.COM> writes: >I've got a problem that's getting worse lately bees ( I live in >Vancouver Canada ) and never run across so many. I originally >found a nest ( at the foundation of a building add-on ) ... >Is there some way to get the bees to move on or a >pesticide to use ( that can be bought in Canada ) that can rid me >of the problem before they get fully re-established. Are these honeybees or bumblebees? In the former case, on a warm afternoon, I'd expect at least several hundred bees to be flying around the entrance _at the same time_. However, if they're bumblebees (large striped _furry_ bees), you should rarely see more than one or two simultaneously. Depending on which, I'd answer your question completely differently. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:04 EDT 1995 Article: 2231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:22:36 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3tsn9c$73d@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Test - please ignore >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:05 EDT 1995 Article: 2232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vi xen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.ne t!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:42:13 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3tsoe5$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Ok, sorry about the test; I've been having problems doing follow-up posts. Assuming they *are* bumble bees, the general procedure is to expose the cavity within which they have established their colony and simply scoop out the globular, waxy peanut-like clusters comprising it. Do this quickly - don't mess around. Open the cavity locate the clusters and dump them into a 5 gallon bucket with a little flyin insect killer sprayed inside. Work quickly and you will minimize the probability of getting stung. You will need a good veil, gloves and thick shirt(s). Really, you should use a good suit. Normally, in removing these or vespids, you'd want to spray a bit of flying insect killer in the cavity to knock out any flyers. But in this case you'll probably just have to do without. If it's a small nest you'll be ok. If it's big.... I don't know. Maybe you could spray in some ammonia.... What exactly is the physical configuration of the box? Bumblebees, despite their benign nature can really be mean when aroused. Also intimidating. When they bump your veil, you know it. For the record, I absolutely hate to kill bumblebees. We usually try to talk the customer out of it if at all possible.... At this point, if it's absolutely necessary (i.e., they are either hiring us or doing it themsleves or hiring someone else - either of the latter may result in a botched job), we just do it and get it over with as quickly as possible. Dave >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:07 EDT 1995 Article: 2233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vi xen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.ne t!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:44:34 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3tsoii$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Whups, forgot to post the alternative method. Since you actually know erxactly where the nest is, and it is apparently in a defined, confined space, why not try something like liquid nitrogen or dry ice? >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:09 EDT 1995 Article: 2234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vi xen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.ne t!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:52:43 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3tsp1r$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> <805330579snz@alkham .demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] dave (dave@alkham.demon.co.uk) wrote: : Try contacting the local beekeeping association if there is one as they will : often have members who are willing to come and remove the bees from you for : free in order to (re)populate a hive. This is the way I ended up getting my : first swarm (which was healthy). Just be sure that they define the perimeter of the colony and remove the brood comb. If they open it up from the inside, have them screen-off the interior opening. Do not have them caulk up the outside entrance until the remains of the hive have been robbed out (about 6 days or so). Then, make sure the repairers fill the cavity with fiberglass or some other insulation and also caulk up the exterior entrance. Also, look for other openiongs in the structure (around eaves, etc.) and caulk those too. Spraying the exterior entrance just causes them to move around and find another entrance - perhaps through the living room light fixtures! Dave If this is unclear or you have questions, e-mail me or contact Anthony M. Buzas, Commercial Beekeepers at 215 483-4165. (Ask for Tony) >From 75753.3556@CompuServe.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:10 EDT 1995 Article: 2235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!udel!delmarva.com!n ewsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: William Mielke <75753.3556@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Date: 10 Jul 1995 06:53:15 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3tqior$556$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Thanks very much for the suggestions I got via email everyone, it appears we now have got the problem under control. Bill Mielke -- Bill Mielke >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:11 EDT 1995 Article: 2236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dyes and Bees Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:39:00 GMT Message-ID: <950710221601310@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <1995Jul6.130824.5531@crosfield.co.uk> <804446447snz@apis.demon.co. uk> <3s2lcm$ Lines: 61 ---------------------------------------- From: "Moote, John M." Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 07:56:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Dyes and Bees After I posted to BEE-L about a new pesticide, I have had several discussions with Jim De Quattro concerning a short summary appearing in "Inside R & D". Jim works for the USDA. To recap, the article was on a new dye that is toxic to insects but not to mammals. My comment was that "they still don't get it" and that it did not appear that anyone was concerned with "apis". I found out two things... 1. The Internet is a much larger forum than you might imagine and 2. I was probably 180 degrees off target... with permission, Jim's comments... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- John, A colleague who subscribes to the list sent me a copy of your message, since I've written about some aspects of the dye research. You correctly noted that Inside R&D's story about fruit fly-killing dyes addressed the issues of whether the dyes were safe for mammals and crops--but it ignored bees and beneficials. The dye blend mentioned in Inside R&D is SureDye--not a USDA invention but an experimental product of PhotoDye, Inc., Linthicum, Md. But, scientists at USDA's Agricultural Research Service have been testing the dyes against fruit flies for about two years. [The blend was developed about 1982 by James Heitz. He is a chemist at Mississippi State University, and president of PhotoDye. The dye is not a registered insecticide.] Inside R&D chose--probably based on assessing what their own audience would most likely want to know--not to address bees and other beneficials. But the researchers are. Feel free to follow up with them about the dye and beneficials. It won't be the first time they've been asked! Against fruit flies, the dye--ASSUMING it passes muster with researchers and regulatory agencies--MIGHT be used as an aerial spray, or in bait stations. According to the scientists, an insect has to ingest the dye for it to be toxic. This doesn't mean a bee could not ingest it, but it apparently wouldn't act as a contact insecticide like malathion. Can something that is imperfect--but better than (or not as "bad" as) malathion--be an acceptable alternative? Personally, I think yes. Could the dye become an acceptable alternative? Maybe, but I don't think enough evidence is in. I think the researchers would basically agree with that. Besides, acceptable to whom? To contact the ARS research teams: Robert Mangan, Crop Quality & Fruit Insects Research unit, Weslaco, Texas, phone (510) 565-2647; Nick Liquido, Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Research Laboratory, Hilo, Hawaii, phone (808) 959-4300. --Jim De Quattro, Writer/editor Information Staff, USDA Agricultural Research Service Internet jdequatt@asrr.arsusda.gov Phone (301) 344-2756, Fax (301) 344-2311 6303 Ivy Lane, Room 443, Greenbelt MD 20770 >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:46:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlin k.net!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Message-ID: <1995Jul11.141709.7474@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> <3tsoe5$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:17:09 GMT Lines: 192 Assuming that we are talking about bumblebees here I would put in a plea not to kill them. It is rarely necessary. If they really are a nuisance because of the place that they have chosen to make a home, it is possible to move the nest. Here are some interesting pieces on moving bumblebees - or even keeping them as pets - taken from the Bee-l mailing list recently. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:25:04 +0100 From: Malcolm Roe Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Michael Thigpen asks: > > I was informed by one of the tenants that bumble bees have "taken over" > the garage there. When I checked this weekend, there were indeed quite a > few buzzing around. I hate to disturb their activity, but the tenant is > in a panic. Is there a way that I might "invite" them to shift their > activity just a bit so that they'll not be near the tenants' vehicles? For some years I used to be on a list of beekeepers held by my local authority, who are responsible for pest removal in our area. If someone called them with a bee problem they'd get one of the beekeepers on the list to go instead of their own staff. In my experiece at least half the call-outs were actually for bumble bees, not honey bees. What I used to do was try to encourage the householder to leave them alone. It helps to know something about bumble bees and their behaviour. Sometimes a little reassurance is all that's needed. You soon know whether that's going to work. If not, I'd try to remove the bumble bees alive. This is often quite easy. The nests are usually made in a ball of insulating material. I often used to to find them in bird boxes. A bird had nested there one year. The next year a bumble bee queen established herself in the old nest. Old mouse nests are another common place. My guess is that the bees are in a pile of old rubbish somewhere in the garage. If you're lucky the nest will be inside some sort of container. Wait until the evening when the bees have stopped flying and you can just gently remove the whole container after blocking the entrance or putting it inside something like a sack. Otherwise, you'll have to lift out the nest enclosed in it's insulating matter and put it in a box to remove. In this case I'd wear gloves. There's a lot to be said for wearing a veil as well although bumble bees are much less aggressive then honey bees. Finally you can establish the nest somewhere else. My favourite place was under my shed, which is raised about 10cm above ground level. I'd just put the nest into something like a small cardboard box with a hole cut for an entrance and push it under the shed. Then I could watch "my" bumble bees flying all summer! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:04:51 GMT From: "Gordon L. Scott" Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Malcolm Roe writes: > Michael Thigpen asks: > > > > I was informed by one of the tenants that bumble bees have "taken over" > > the garage there. .... > > put it in a box to remove. In this case I'd wear gloves. There's a lot > to be said for wearing a veil as well although bumble bees are much less > aggressive then honey bees. I agree with all Malcolm has said. I too do this fairly often. Bumble bees often make a lot of noise considering how few bees there are, but they don't *often* sting. They do sometimes come out of the nest is something of a noisy rush though. I had occasion last year to take a nest before dusk when there were still a few bees out flying, so I invited the homeowner (who by then was fascinated): "If you feel like it, put any straglers into a ventilated jar and bring them to me -- I'll put them with the rest as they *do* need their numbers." Over the next four days he brought me about 40 bees in a dozen jars, so it seems likely that not all bumbles come home every night. BTW, this was a big gorilla of a guy who spent an hour or so each of those nights, sitting by their ex-nest with a small fishing net, just scooping them up. Definitely a softy at heart. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:57:35 -0700 From: Ann Dougherty Subject: Bumble Bee Hive Does anyone know how to put together a Bumble Bee Hive? A friend has a nest of Red rumped Bumble Bees in his back yard in the ground. I recall reading a small hive can be built to house them. I'm mostly interested in just observing them. They sure are beautiful bees. any suggestions would be appreciated. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:23:00 -0700 From: "Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Subject: Re: Bumble Bee Hive There are professional ways to rear bumblebee colonies, but I tried a very simple method in a situation such as you describe, and it worked fine. A friend had a bumble bee nest in the rocks where his 2 and 4 year old had their sandbox, so the decision to moved the nest was made. I had a clear plastic package from the supermarket bakery: like a clam shell, about 6 x 4 x 4 inches. I stapled one side of the package in a sheltered spot just ouside a window, where we could watch. I stapled a piece of cloth, draping over the clear plastic for shade and insulation. I put a 3/4 inch hole in the box for an entrance. I used another plastic container to carry the nest. I had my bee veil and some rubber gloves. I moved some rocks and found the nest in an old mouse nest. I picked it up and put it in the container, with the large queen and about 20 smaller bumblebees, and covered it with a cloth, then I waited for 20 or so other bees to return to the nest spot, where I picked them one at a time and popped them into another container. I took the whole works home, put them in the clear box on the post, and released the bees. Within a couple of hours they were foraging as if they had been there all along. When the kids wanted to see them, I'd lift up the cloth and we would watch them a while. In a few days they had built a cover over the cluster of cells, and we couldn't see much except the foragers. The colony did alright for maybe 6 weeks, until September. Then the activity decreased and when I last looked there were quite a few mites running around in the nest material, but no bees. It was nice while it lasted. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:05:14 -0500 From: Jeff Fagerman Subject: How to move a bumblebee nests? Hello everyone, I have a bumblebee nest (in the ground alongside my children's sandbox) that I would like to excavate and move. I am not an expert in this, in fact, this will be my first non-honeybee venture. I am looking for advice >from those better informed before I undertake this task. One point, I would like to keep the bees for further observation and study. Here's my current plan for removal: 1. Construct a small box (next) about 6 inches on a side with a small hole (about one-half an inch in diameter), paint it for water proofing, and put a removable lid on top for later replacement with glass (for observation). Maybe put some grass or other stuffing in it to make it look like a mouse nest. 2. Using a veil and a net, begin excavating the nest. As bees enter and exit catch them with a net and put them in a bottle of sorts for temporary holding. (I'm not quite sure how to move them from the net to the bottle. Any suggestions? Obviously this is a critical concern here, at least to me.) 3. Upon reaching the nest, remove nest and place in box. 4. Take nest and bees to a new site several miles away and place on ground. Shake bees (quickly) from bottle into nest. (Should I leave the nest sealed for a short period of time? I probably won't.) 5. Several weeks later, bring box back home and use as an observation hive. Any information anyone can share with me will be greatly appreciated? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:31:07 -0500 From: Jeff Fagerman Subject: Update on moving bumblebees Just a quick update for those of you interested. I posted a message yesterday concerning moving a bumblebee nest and received a couple of very helpful suggestions. Well, last night I moved the nest and it was remarkably simple. The most amazing thing, in my opinion, was the non-aggressive behaviour of the bees. (The hive size was just under twenty (20).) The bees obviously didn't like my presence or intrusion but neither did they attempt to sting me, even when I was grabbing them and placing them in a container for transport. It was a rather interesting evening. Thanks to each of you who responded to my initial message. ========================================================================= -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From reichert@ndadsa.gsfc.nasa.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.j pl.nasa.gov!ames!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!thomas.gsfc.nasa.gov!user From: reichert@ndadsa.gsfc.nasa.gov (Gail Reichert) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 18:20:32 +0100 Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3tgt96$hpm@nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu> <3tit4o$kvt@caesar.udac.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: thomas.gsfc.nasa.gov Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133698 rec.animals.wildlife:4181 rec.bird s:22805 rec.pets:34951 rec.pets.birds:37825 rec.pets.cats:98517 rec.pets.herp:3 8508 sci.agriculture:5589 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2238 Me, too. If there's a straw vote, I'll vote for Cindy's proposal (for as many times as necessary 8-) 8-) 8-) Regards, Gail in response to Veronika.Berglund@UDAC.se<3tit4o$kvt@caesar.udac.se> wrote: > In article , tittle@netcom.com says... > > > >Agriculture IMO encompasses animals rather than the other way around. > >So: > > sci.agriculture.ratites > > > [A very good list of proposed groups deleted to save space] > > >This way, you have three animal hierarchies, which accurrately reflect > >their positions. Pets are clearly recreational, so rec.pets. Farming > >animals NOT recreational, DO require quite a bit of study, etc, AND > >sci.agriculture.beekeeping exists, so USE it, so sci.agriculture. Finally, > >wildlife animals have some recreational aspects, some scientific aspects, > >so misc.wildlife. > > > > Perfect! Easy, simple and neat! > > I'm with you Cindy! > > Veronika >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening Advice Needed Date: 11 Jul 1995 21:52:47 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3turrf$qle@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I am preparing to requeen a dozen of my hives. In the past I've only attempted three at a time. What would be the most efficient method to tackle this endevor? 1) Assuming I will remove the old queen; How many days in advance should this b e done? 2) Assuming they make new queen cells: Do these need to be removed? 3) The queens are shipped with attendants; Do these have to be released? 4) Should I place the queen cage in the top or bottom brood box? 5) What else do I need to know? Thanks, New Mexico Mountain Beekeeper, Victor >From i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!reuter .cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!unicorn.it.wsu.edu!i9566249 From: i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu (Brian Mcewen) Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 02:25:04 GMT References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3tgt96$hpm@nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e7$af5@mack.rt66.com> Organization: Washington State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 69 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133775 rec.animals.wildlife:4191 rec.bird s:22818 rec.pets:34957 rec.pets.birds:37847 rec.pets.cats:98592 rec.pets.herp:3 8548 sci.agriculture:5597 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2240 Unicorn (unicorn@mack.rt66.com) wrote: : (Apologies if this is a duplicate, it originally got in with the : wrong subject header) : Kathryn A. Smith (katsmith@vt.edu) wrote: : : In article <3t242r$d4t@news.iastate.edu>, pholland@iastate.edu says... : : >Trouble is, animals are multi-use. : : This is the EXACT reason we are proposing placing the animal related : : newsgroups into the misc.* hierarchy!!! Thanks, Paul, for stating this : : as clearly as you did. : But the other side of that same coin is that you're trying to take : groups out of where they might fit best, say some in sci.agriculture and : some in rec.pets.* and put them all together just for the sake of : having them all together. *People* are multi-use, too, but on usenet : the discussions about people and their activities have been put into : different hierarchys, why shouldn't animals be the same? Pets are : recreational. Some animals are agricultural. A large number of people posting to this thread seem to be opposed : to putting all the animal groups together. (It seems to me that : it's the majority, but I can't say for sure). Would it be possible : to conduct a straw poll before this gets any farther to to see how : many people prefer putting some of the animal groups under : sci.agriculture how many people prefer pets staying under rec.pets.*? : Sheri Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context. I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the proposal, the proposed renaming up above. This is the first CFV that I'm going to make sure to vote on. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | " Information is pretty thin Brian McEwen | | stuff, unless mixed with experience. bmcewen@wsu.edu | | -Clarence Day i9566249@wsunix.wsu.edu | | Remember, what PCs are doing today the Amiga was doing in 1985 | | ( except for a few things, and the PC's will do those soon...) | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ : -- : Sheri Hurt : "Though the road seems never ending : Hold on to the hope I'm sending through..." Brian May 1992 -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | " Information is pretty thin Brian McEwen | | stuff, unless mixed with experience. bmcewen@wsu.edu | | -Clarence Day i9566249@wsunix.wsu.edu | | ------------------------------ | | Remember, what PCs are doing today the Amiga was doing in 1985 | | ( except for a few things, and the PC's will do those soon...) | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From ccoplan@infi.net Fri Jul 14 01:46:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!h-na vy.richmond.infi.net!user From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Advice Needed Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:50:09 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3turrf$qle@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-navy.richmond In article <3turrf$qle@news.sandia.gov>, "Victor C. Rimkus" wrote: > 1) Assuming I will remove the old queen; How many days in advance should this be done? I believe I have read or heard somewhere 2 days in advance. An additional question - how often should you requeen - annually, biannually, or just when you notice the queen beecoming weak? Chris Coplan ccoplan@infi.net >From hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu! purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov!hubler From: hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov (Dale Hubler) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: 12 Jul 1995 11:59:36 GMT Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3u0df8$9c8@sulawesi.lerc.nasa.gov> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e 7$af5@mack.rt66.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133891 rec.animals.wildlife:4205 rec.bird s:22839 rec.pets:34963 rec.pets.birds:37901 rec.pets.cats:98703 rec.pets.herp:3 8595 sci.agriculture:5606 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2242 In article , Brian Mcewen wrote: >Unicorn (unicorn@mack.rt66.com) wrote: >: (Apologies if this is a duplicate, it originally got in with the >: wrong subject header) > >: Kathryn A. Smith (katsmith@vt.edu) wrote: >: : In article <3t242r$d4t@news.iastate.edu>, pholland@iastate.edu says... > >: : >Trouble is, animals are multi-use. > >: : This is the EXACT reason we are proposing placing the animal related >: : newsgroups into the misc.* hierarchy!!! Thanks, Paul, for stating this >: : as clearly as you did. > > > > Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context. >I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the >proposal, the proposed renaming up above. This is the first CFV that I'm >going to make sure to vote on. > Really. It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it. For no reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something else. The net control freaks are upon us. I think some of the .edu people must have too much time on their hands. Pretty interesting how they use a political process to pull in lots of mail-list oriented groups to get support built up. You have to wonder how much traffic would actually appear in some of the more specialized groups they wish to create. But by pulling in those limited special interests they can pump up their yes vote #'s. (my gas) Dale -- Dale A. Hubler -- dale@lerc.nasa.gov -- (216) 433-8578 Sterling Software, Inc. at NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/Other_Groups/ACCL/dale.html Progress marches on, trampling everything in its path >From mallon@worldaccess.nl Fri Jul 14 01:46:24 EDT 1995 Article: 2243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfne t.nl!sun4nl!worldxs.worldaccess.nl!usenet From: mallon@worldaccess.nl (Niels Mallon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: agresive bees Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 06:17:14 GMT Organization: World Access Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3u13bf$h3g@worldxs.worldaccess.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: wxs3-16.worldaccess.nl X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 I have a problem with my bees,the problem is that they are very agresive. do i need a other queen,maybe a more quiet one,and how do i replace the old queen with the new one,if nessesary. If you know a sollution for this problem,i will gracefully receive it. greetings Coby Mallon >From unicorn@mack.rt66.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:25 EDT 1995 Article: 2244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!sg iblab!rahul.net!a2i!mack.rt66.com!mack.rt66.com!not-for-mail From: unicorn@mack.rt66.com (Unicorn) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Followup-To: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds ,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Jul 1995 15:57:23 -0600 Organization: Engineering International Inc., Public Internet Access Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3u1gg3$9u@mack.rt66.com> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e 7$af5@mack.rt66.com> <3u0df8$9c8@sulawesi.lerc. nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: mack.rt66.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133902 rec.animals.wildlife:4209 rec.bird s:22845 rec.pets:34967 rec.pets.birds:37905 rec.pets.cats:98713 rec.pets.herp:3 8601 sci.agriculture:5607 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2244 Dale Hubler (hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote: : Really. It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this : group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it. For no : reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something : else. I'm not sure who all this was directed at, but some of the people you may assume aren't "active" in the groups may be lurkers. I don't very often post to the rec.pets.dogs.* groups, but I've been a very "active lurker" for three years. I don't post very often, but I've posted a few times. I also have written to people "behind the scenes" much more often than I've posted. The people there, and the information there have been quite valuable to me. Especially when I was able to post and find out some of the latest information on a very specialized liver problem that my dog was having. Now that I also have a cat, I also lurk in the rec.pets.cats group. Please don't assume that just because someone isn't a frequent poster in a group that they don't read it or make use of its resources... Sheri -- Sheri Hurt "Though the road seems never ending Hold on to the hope I'm sending through..." Brian May 1992 >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:26 EDT 1995 Article: 2245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax cremes From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.717.23.0NFF94A3@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:51:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 3 We have too much wax and are tired of making candles. Does anyone have any ideas or recipes for cremes or polishes which could be made and sold at the farm stand? >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: welcome to NE From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.720.23.0NFF94BC@AGRANET.COM> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 11:13:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 5 Andy, I was on your BBS earlier this AM while you were still counting bees, Great to have you back. This BBS is called AGRA-NET and is open to the public. It has to be the BEST BBS that deals with AG issues. They list most of the Northeast AG newsletters and now with the beekeepers conference it is fantastic. Pass the word. the # is 508-529-0801. >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:29 EDT 1995 Article: 2247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis collection From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.704.23.0NFF9409@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:47:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 5 re. request for a summer of propolis collection Some times a plain rubber door mat with a rough surface will work. The bees will fill the holes or pock marks of the mat. You remove, cool it a little then roll the mat until the propolis drops out. >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:30 EDT 1995 Article: 2248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis collection From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.718.23.0NFF94A4@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:47:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 5 re. request for a summer of propolis collection Some times a plain rubber door mat with a rough surface will work. The bees will fill the holes or pock marks of the mat. You remove, cool it a little then roll the mat until the propolis drops out. >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:31 EDT 1995 Article: 2249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax cremes From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.705.23.0NFF940A@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:51:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 3 We have too much wax and are tired of making candles. Does anyone have any ideas or recipes for cremes or polishes which could be made and sold at the farm stand? >From altabios@bham.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 01:46:32 EDT 1995 Article: 2250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:47:29 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3u0jph$5eg@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 In article <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, "Mrs. Andrea Gatto" says: > >Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles? >I would like to try this, as my father in law has started >beekeeping as a hobby. > >Thanks in advance. >-andrea. > > Don't get any great ideas about making huge candles, bees are very frugal with their wax. In the UK there are one or two companies who make moulds for candles. You do need proper wick, string doesn't burn well. When you melt the wax, don't get it too hot, wait till it just starts to set before you pour it into the mould, it makes a better mould that way. John Fox >From rgpiepul@ionet.net Fri Jul 14 01:46:34 EDT 1995 Article: 2251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sp rintlink.net!ionews.ionet.net!usenet From: rgpiepul@ionet.net (Rob Piepul) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof" Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:27:25 GMT Organization: IONet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsip15.ionet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 What is the best kind of caulk to use? I have a colony of honey bees under the eaves of my house. A local beekeeper placed a temporary hive and covered the main entrance with a screen funnel. They "chewed" through the latex caulk sealing the joint between the eave and the wall. He then applied some silicon caulk which seemed to do the trick. However I am told by another beekeeper that bees can get through this also. Can anyone recommend a type of caulk to use that bees cannot eat through? Thanks, Rob Piepul, Tulsa Oklahoma >From made@andy.pp.fi Fri Jul 14 01:46:35 EDT 1995 Article: 2252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!suni c!sunic.sunet.se!trane.uninett.no!Norway.EU.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!newsmaster From: made@andy.pp.fi Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: 13 Jul 1995 04:29:38 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3u27fi$6l8@idefix.eunet.fi> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e 7$af5@mack.rt66.com> <3u0df8$9c8@sulawesi.lerc. nasa.gov> <3u1gg3$9u@mack.rt66.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: andy.pp.fi X-To: unicorn@mack.rt66.com (Unicorn) X-Mailer: SlipStream Jet v1.014 (Unregistered) Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133959 rec.animals.wildlife:4225 rec.bird s:22862 rec.pets:34975 rec.pets.birds:37953 rec.pets.cats:98782 rec.pets.herp:3 8638 sci.agriculture:5614 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2252 U >: Really. It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this U >: group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it. For no U >: reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something U >: else. U >Please don't assume that just because someone isn't a frequent poster in U >a group that they don't read it or make use of its resources... U >Sheri Quite right, Sheri... I for one frequently comment on rec.pets.cats but hardly ever in INTERUSER group in Fidonet. Still having good time with both. Hi from Finland Andy ___ * UniQWK v4.1 * The Windows Mail Reader >> SlipStream Jet v1.014 (Unregistered) - (C) 1995 PBE >From knapper@bga.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:37 EDT 1995 Article: 2253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!bga.com!knapper From: knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: McClellan county quarantine Date: 12 Jul 1995 18:02:48 GMT Organization: Real/Time Communications - Bob Gustwick and Associates Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: maria.bga.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. Cheers Woody -- Woody Baker Postscript consultant/ hired software gun /flintknapper knapper@bga.com woody@knapper.cactus.org "If you ain't bleedin' you ain't knappin'" -->go ahead, ask me! >From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:38 EDT 1995 Article: 2254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!eff!ne ws.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof" Date: 13 Jul 1995 11:43:57 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3u30tu$dq8@gamera.umd.edu> References: <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Rob Piepul (rgpiepul@ionet.net) wrote: : What is the best kind of caulk to use? I have a colony of honey bees : under the eaves of my house. A local beekeeper placed a temporary hive : and covered the main entrance with a screen funnel. They "chewed" : through the latex caulk sealing the joint between the eave and the wall. : He then applied some silicon caulk which seemed to do the trick. : However I am told by another beekeeper that bees can get through this : also. Can anyone recommend a type of caulk to use that bees cannot eat : through? : Thanks, : Rob Piepul, Tulsa Oklahoma Most caulks are advertised as remaining pliable to cover the expansion / contraction caused by temperature variations. I would suggest using a wood filler such as "plastic wood" or one by Elmers (glue people). Plastic wood has very coarse fibers and Elmers product is very fine. When it dries it is as hard as wood. I use it to repair damage to hive parts. Jerry Worrell, worrell@CBL.UMD.EDU, Dunkirk Md. >From dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:40 EDT 1995 Article: 2255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state .edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!dsammata From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 Date: 13 Jul 1995 11:51:04 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3u31b8$h6h@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, and all the kinds of beehives . For information on registration call Kim Flottum, President, 1-800-289-7668. See you there >From manette@primenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:41 EDT 1995 Article: 2256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth .cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans. net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip198.msp.primenet.com!manette From: manette@primenet.com (Greg O'Dell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Horizontal Two Queen System Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:13:40 MST Organization: Primenet Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip198.msp.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] I am new to beekeeping this year and started two hives in April. I am interested in learning more about a technique called the horizontal two queen system that was developed at the University of Minnesota. I was told that this system will allow for greater honey yields. Any information would be appreciated. Please post responses to this Newsgroup or e-mail me at manette@primenet.com if you can help. Greg O'Dell Minneapolis, Minnesota >From katsmith@vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!u senet From: katsmith@vt.edu (Kathryn A. Smith) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: 12 Jul 1995 22:16:54 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech/Blacksburg Electronic Village Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3u1hkm$9e5@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3tgt96$hpm@nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e7$af5@mack.rt66.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2511-4.sl014.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:134036 rec.animals.wildlife:4234 rec.bird s:22886 rec.pets:34984 rec.pets.birds:37981 rec.pets.cats:98869 rec.pets.herp:3 8677 sci.agriculture:5621 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2257 In article , i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu says... > > Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context. >I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the >proposal, the proposed renaming up above. This is the first CFV that I'm >going to make sure to vote on. Please see the latest version of our RFD. It is called "4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.*". This latest version is very dif ferent than the past 3 RFDs. TIA, Kathy >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.h olonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: welcome to NE Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 14:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713073358337@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <45.720.23.0NFF94BC@AGRANET.COM> Lines: 16 J>Subject: welcome to NE >From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) J>Andy, I was on your BBS earlier this AM while you were still counting >bees, Great to have you back. This BBS is called AGRA-NET and is open to >the public. It has to be the BEST BBS that deals with AG issues. They >list most of the Northeast AG newsletters and now with the beekeepers >conference it is fantastic. Pass the word. the # is 508-529-0801. Hello Jim, Sounds like a interesting place to visit. I will have to drop a nickel on them and see if I can find some new ideas to add to the Wild Bee's bbs. ttul Andy- >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!new serve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 09:55:42 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <173DA8BA5S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker) writes: > >McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due >to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. > Woody, Please forgive this ignorant yankee, but we ain't never heered of no McClellen County in this neck o' the woods! Where is it located? Texas? Arizona? Askin' 'cause I'm interested in AHB's migration, although I remain hopeful that they won't tolerate the cold and snow of the northern promised land! Aaron Morris - think there's no place like home! >From glhat@ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 14 01:46:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc. edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!waikato!news.midland.co.nz!newsource.ihug. co.nz!news From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Grey Lynn Housing Trust) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Extractor Date: 13 Jul 1995 17:55:59 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3u3mnf$4et@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: glhat.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 Can any one help with plans or location of plans for a simple solar wax extract or. Thanks, Terry Gosset >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine Date: 13 Jul 1995 11:36:11 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3u30fb$crm@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com>, Woodrow W. Baker wrote: >McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due >to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. Where is this? Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:52 EDT 1995 Article: 2262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate !holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Extractor Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:06:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713170325342@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u3mnf$4et@newsource.ihug.co.nz> Lines: 53 G>From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Grey Lynn Housing Trust) >Subject: Solar Wax Extractor G>Can any one help with plans or location of plans for a simple solar wax extra >or. >Thanks, >Terry Gosset HINT FOR THE HIVE #111 SOLAR BEESWAX RENDERING AND HINTS FOR EXHIBITING WAX BLOCKS When it comes to rendering beeswax, nothing works like a solar wax extractor or melter. The melter can be made from almost any materials found around the beekeeper's establishment and adapted to any size apiary. The principles of wax extractor design are always the same, although the details of each specific apparatus may differ. Bits of wax, old comb and other scrapings from the hive are placed on a slated (usually) metal tray inside the box, the wax melts and drips off the tray into a collector pan. The pan usually has slanted sides, facilitation removal of the wax block once it hardens. Usually, the inside of the extractor is painted black to absorb as much radiation as possible, facilitating heat buildup inside the melter. The melter should always be bee tight; honey bees are usually attracted to the odor of melting wax (often there is honey adhered to the wax) and this promotes robbing during nectar dearth. It is generally agreed the best way to put up good beeswax for show in fairs and other events is to render it in a solar extractor. Wax is judges on several criteria including: color, cleanliness and freedom from honey, propolis and other adulterants; uniformity of appearance; and freedom from cracking or shrinking. The best colored (light yellow) beeswax comes from that rendered from cappings: wax from old combs is often quite dark. Bleaching in the sun will often lighten the color of rendered wax. Generally, wax from a melter is quite clean. The longer it stays liquid with the resultant settling of foreign materials, the cleaner it will become. This can be accomplished in the wax extractor or in a warm turned off oven. Once a cake of wax has hardened, detritis can be scraped off the bottom and if necessary, the cleaning process repeated. Uniformity and absence of cracks in a wax block because of shrinkage is minimized by allowing beeswax to cool very slowly. The preferred mold is a bread pan with slanted sides. Once a cake is ready for submitting to a judge, do not touch it (fingerprints will cause points to be subtracted), but wrap it in plastic. THE PRINTED VERSION SHOWS A PLAN FOR A SOLAR WAX EXTRACTOR >From adamf@sunSITE.unc.edu Sat Jul 15 12:54:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!adamf From: adamf@sunSITE.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: faq and archive for this newsgroup Date: 14 Jul 1995 09:10:07 GMT Organization: SunSITE at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3u5c9f$1krc@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: calzone.oit.unc.edu Gearing up for the next faq and ready to receive materials for archival. Adam adamf@sunsite.unc.edu or adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:14 EDT 1995 Article: 2265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate !holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713170325343@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u30fb$crm@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> Lines: 19 A>From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) >Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine A>In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com>, Woodrow W. Baker wrot >>McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due >>to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. A>Where is this? >Adam Yeh, I was going to ask that and more. I am sure it's in Texas, but posters should remember that most of us are not identified as to where we are posting from geographically, including myself. ttul Andy- Los Banos, CA Central California >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate !holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713170325344@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u31b8$h6h@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Lines: 10 D>From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro) >Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 D>EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, an >all the kinds of beehives . For information on registration call Kim Flottum >President, 1-800-289-7668. Yes, and tell him to post some detail in this news group. Maybe some will want to subscribe to GLEANINGS. >From G.M.Tardivel@ukc.ac.uk Sat Jul 15 12:54:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sol.ct r.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic. ac.uk!ukc!mango.ukc.ac.uk!G.M.Tardivel From: G.M.Tardivel@ukc.ac.uk (gmt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee sting relief? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 95 13:10:48 GMT Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury, UK. Lines: 30 Sender: G.M.Tardivel@ukc.ac.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <614@mango.ukc.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mango.ukc.ac.uk A friend, who spends a lot of time working outdoors has given me a newspaper cutting containing a letter describing a bee-sting cure. The writer appears to live in Canada. The cutting recommends a dilution of one teaspoon of meat tenderiser in (about) 50 ml of water. When dabbed on the sting the writer claims the solution will eliminate pain and swelling, and maintain heartbeat and breathing at an ordinary level. The meat tenderiser used by the writer (Adolf's instant meat tenderizer - not a product I've seen in England) contains - salt, sugar, tricalcium phosphate, papain and hydrogenated soybean oil. The tenderizer from my frind's kitchen does not contain tricalcium phosphate. She is eager to try this wonder cure for beestings and would like to know: 1) if anyone can suggest how it might work 2) if the tricacium phosphate would be an important ingredient as a beesting cure I would like to know 3) Are Canadian beestings likely to be of a similar severity to British beestings? Any comments? Thanks Jill Tardivel >From rshough@tasc.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:17 EDT 1995 Article: 2268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.ao l.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Prevention of Waxmoth Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 10:21:48 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 76 Message-ID: References: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article , "Sharon J. Collman" wrote: >On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Mark Jensen wrote: > >> In article <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Richard Yates >> wrote: >> >> > There may be some substance >> > to store with the frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name, anyone? >> >> Paradichlorobenzene, wax moth crystals. Mann Lake had permission to sell >> it for wax moth control, but something was not right with the label and >> the EPA is not allowing them to sell it at the present time. [clip] Make >> sure they are 100% paradichlorobenzene, as other moth ball chemicals are >> really bad news. >> >> Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com >> >> > [concerns about use of PDB expressed by Sharon] >Sharon J. Collman OR Sharon J. Collman >c/o Center For Urban Horticulture >Box 354115 13720 23rd Ave. NE >University of Washington Seattle, WA. 98125-3322 >Seattle, WA 98195-4115 I got my PDB from the hardware store - ask for mothballs, and READ THE LABEL. The more common variety (in the USA) is, I believe, made with Napthalene (bad stuff because it contaminates the wax). I was able to find 100% PDB mothballs fairly easily, but had to reject several brands due to their makeup. Sharon - a clarification - the PDB is used during STORAGE of honey supers. The bees themselves can control wax moths when the supers are on the colony. Several days of airing out the supers is required before placing them back on the colonies, as the PDB _is_ detrimental to the bees. My understanding was that PDB is used because it does _not_ accumulate in the wax. Unfortunately, I don't have any references handy to back up my "knowledge". I have also been led to believe that use of PDB during storage is _NOT_ regulated in the USA because the chemical is not used "in" the hive - Apistan, Fumidal-B, etc. all go directly into the colony, and therefor must be labeled appropriately to be used legally in the colony. I have always exercised caution using PDB, allowing ample time to air out the supers, due to contamination concerns, but I always considered the risk to be PDB present on the surface of the wax (and therefor easy to get into the honey), and not from PDB that had been absorbed by the wax (which could, in turn, be absorbed by the honey, I suppose). It is my belief that all PDB on the surface of the wax vaporizes and disperses during the "airing out" process. Well, that's my nickle's worth. What I have expressed is opinion and recollection only, so please treat it with a healthy skepticism. Maybe others can offer references to back up my beliefs - I will try to do some quick research over the weekend - I'll post anything useful I find. Time to get back to work before my boss finds me chatting about beekeeping again! Cheers, Rick currently managing 20 colonies in Northeastern Massachussetts **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion. Similarity to anyone else's opinion is pure coincidence. >From millerb@ACM.org Sat Jul 15 12:54:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!eccdb1.p ms.ford.com!fiesta.srl.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!pt9540.ped.pto.ford.com !millerb From: millerb@pt9540.ped.pto.ford.com (Bryan Miller) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 Date: 14 Jul 1995 16:31:30 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Co., Powertrain Electronics Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3u6652$gka@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com> References: <3u31b8$h6h@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <950713170325344@beene t.com> Reply-To: millerb@ACM.org NNTP-Posting-Host: pt9540.ped.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Andy Nachbaur (andy.nachbaur@beenet.com) appears to have written: >D>From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro) > >Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 >D>EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, a n > >all the kinds of beehives . For information on registration call Kim Flottu m > >President, 1-800-289-7668. >Yes, and tell him to post some detail in this news group. Maybe some >will want to subscribe to GLEANINGS. Yes, and please tell us the state in which this fine event will be held. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Miller | Powertrain Electronics | Control Systems Software| "Nil Sine Numine" millerb@ped.ford.com | >From pollen1@aol.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!convex!co nvex.convex.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e 1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollen1@aol.com (Pollen1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heating Honey Date: 14 Jul 1995 17:18:04 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3u6muc$soa@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollen1@aol.com (Pollen1) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Is it necessary to heat your fresh honey from the comb before eating? Thanks! Dave >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!new s.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <950714171208349@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 203 *To all US Beekeepers* You all warm enough? We do get hot weather here in California and having been down by the heat myself and knowing how long it can take to get over it I thought many of you would like to read this FAQ on survival in the heat. It is not something to mess with, if you get heat stroke you can injure your health and recovery is very slow. It is also hard on the bee's and they can melt down. Water is the key to saving yourself and the bee's. Drink lot's of it, and make sure your bee's are close to a good supply. ttul Andy- Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies EmergencyNet News Service Emergency Response & Research Institute 6348 N. Milwaukee, Suite 312, Chicago, IL 60646 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 1430CDT Contact: Steve Macko, Managing Editor Phone: (312) 631-ERRI (3774) FAX: (312) 631-4703 Caution Urged During Heat Wave Chicago, IL, July 13,1995 -- With the temperatures and humidity at dangerous levels, the air quality diminishing, and no end in sight in some parts of the country, the Emergency Response & Research Institute (ERRI) is urging extreme caution for persons with cardiac and respiratory problems. According to Clark Staten, director of the Chicago-based emergency service think-tank, the recent heat wave has already resulted in the untimely deaths of several people in the Midwest and Southwestern part of the United States and more heat injuries or even deaths can be expected. "The conditions are ideal for heat cramps, heat exhaustion, and even heat stroke", the veteran (retired) paramedic said in an interview today. "This is the kind of weather that is dangerous to the elderly, children, and those that have diseases that prevent them from regulating heat well", he continued. "People with cardiac, respiratory, diabetic, asthmatic, and seizure problems should be warned to use extreme caution when exposed to this type of hot weather...it can aggravate their condition and even result in death", Staten added. "We would suggest that people with these conditions remain indoors in the air conditioning or even (if necessary) move to 'cooling centers' that have been established by many municipalities", he continued. "Even those that don't have a pre-existing medical condition can easily be affected by this type of heat and high humidity...they should take some simple precautions to prevent the onset of heat injuries", Staten concluded. According to ERRI, during the heat wave, people should: (1) Wear light colored clothing that will reflect the heat (2) Drink plenty of water or special electrolyte replacing fluids like "Gatorade", "Sports Drink" or other commercial products (3) Avoid alcoholic and caffeinated beverages, which tend to dehydrate you...rather than rehydrate you...which is needed. (4) If possible, avoid strenuous physical activity while outdoors...as this causes sweating and hastens fluid loss (5) Persons with known cardiac and respiratory conditions should remain indoors, in air conditioning, or move to cooler areas (6) Particularly the elderly and children should limit their exposure to high heat and humidity, as they are the most susceptible to its effects (7) Do not take salt tablets unless advised by a physician Staten also listed some of the signs and symptoms, of heat injuries, that can strike people during a heat wave. In order of seriousness, they include: Heat Cramps - Muscle pains caused by a build-up of acid compounds and an excessive loss of fluids in large muscles Signs & Symptoms - Cramps in legs or stomach area TREATMENT: # Remove the patient to a cooler environment # Rest the cramping muscles, sit or lie down # Replace fluids by mouth, use cool water or commercial electrolyte solutions # If the cramps do not subside, the patient should be taken to medical care Heat Exhaustion - Often called heat prostration or heat collapse, is a serious heat illness. It occurs when the body loses large amounts of water and electrolytes Signs & Symptoms - Cool, clammy(sweaty)skin, dizziness,feeling faint, nausea, vomiting, rapid pulse, feels weak or "bad" TREATMENT: # Move the patient to a cooler environment # Loosen tight or restrictive clothing or remove excessive layers of clothing # If the patient is conscious, give up to a liter of cool water or commercial electrolyte replacing fluids. Do not give fluids by mouth to a patient who can't hold the cup themselves. Never force fluids on a patient who is not alert, they could choke and aspirate the fluids. # In most cases, the patient ill recover on his/her own after fluid replacement and exposure to cooler temperatures. If not, or if a diminishing of his/her level of consciousness occurs, 911 must be called and EMT/Paramedics will start an intravenous line (I.V.) and replace fluids internally. # Unconsciousness, or a decreasing level thereof is reason enough to call 911. Always err on the side of safety and care for the patient in question. Heat Stroke - Heat stroke is a true medical emergency! It occurs when a patient that has suffered heat exhaustion does not receive treatment and is continually exposed to additional heat. Typical examples of heat stroke victims include elderly people who live in buildings without fans or air conditioning during heat waves, and children that are left in locked cars on a hot days. Humidity seems to contribute to the likelihood of both heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Signs & Symptoms: Hot & dry skin, lack of perspiration, excessive body temperature, lessening consciousness or total unconsciousness, strong rapid pulse diminishing and weaker as becomes unresponsive, imminent death if left untreated TREATMENT: # Call 911; request Emergency Medical Services (EMS) # Immediately and rapidly move the patient to a cooler environment; preferably air conditioning # Remove the patient's clothing and cover him/her (Continued to next message) >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:20 EDT 1995 Article: 2272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.e du!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy. nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <950714171208350@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 35 (Continued from previous message) with a sheet or towel soaked in cool water # If EMT/Paramedic services are delayed or not immediately available, ice packs can be applied to the patient's abdomen, armpits, and behind the neck # The patient will need intravenous (I.V.) fluids and extensive cooling measures to ensure survival. Hospital treatment will include reducing the body temperature by whatever means are necessary. Staten concluded by urging everyone to check on elderly neighbors and watch the activity of children during the remainder of this heat wave. He added that by being educated citizens will be better prepared to prevent heat injuries and care for family and friends that have suffered it's ill effects. -30- (c) EmergencyNet NEWS Service Emergency Response & Research Institute 6348 N. Milwaukee, suite 312, Chicago, IL 60646 (312) 631-ERRI - Voice/Voice Mail (312) 631-4703 - Fax (312) 631-0517 - Computer/Modem-EMERGENCY BBS-28,800bps >From 100115.2716@CompuServe.COM Sat Jul 15 12:54:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ne ws-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuser ve.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 519 pound honey production - 1 hive Date: 15 Jul 1995 03:34:16 GMT Organization: International Atomic Energy Agency Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3u7cvo$5qh$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> In 1945, my father had a bee colony on a scale so that the daily and total honey production could be monitored. The net (yes, NET!) honey production from that one colony was 519 lbs. We have a photo showing two 10-inch and 13 6-inch supers on the hive. It stands about 4 feet taller than my father's head. In addition to these, five 6-inch supers (full) were removed and replaced for refilling. My father was a professional honey producer in Iowa from 1934 until 1974, and had about a thousand colonies. Does anyone have a better production record to report? -- James R. Griggs 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com (Home) ST0@SGIT.IAEA.OR.AT (Work) Vienna, Austria >From rnoak@access.texas.gov Sat Jul 15 12:54:22 EDT 1995 Article: 2274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita Pirone Noak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof" Date: 15 Jul 1995 04:12:35 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3u7f7j$scl@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-1-86.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 In article <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net>, rgpiepul@ionet.net (Rob Piepul) says: > >What is the best kind of caulk to use? A good welder probably can help you out. >From jdeming@delphi.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Joyce Deming Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone Shipping Package Bees? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 95 01:00:59 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com I just got my brother set up with a hive and equipment. Now all he needs are the bees. He called Weaver Apiaries (where I get my Buckfast queens), but they won't be shipping until next spring. Does anyone know of any breeders who will ship this time of year? I'm sure the heat is a problem for all the breeders, so he may have to wait until next year. It's pretty much past our swarm season here so I don't think that's an option. Anyway, what's that old rhyme -- "a swarm in July isn't worth a fly"?? Thanks for any advice. joyce jdeming@delphi.com >From pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca Mon Jul 31 16:35:12 EDT 1995 Article: 2339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!pjhayes From: pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca (Justus Hayes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack? Date: 25 Jul 1995 23:49:01 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: interchg.ubc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? Thanks. Justus Hayes pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca FYA: Monty Python's "Eric the Half a Bee" Half a bee, philosophically, Must ipso facto half not-be. But half the bee has got to be, Vis-a-vis its entity. Do you see? But can a bee be said to be Or not to be an entire bee, When half the bee is not a bee Due to some ancient injury. Singing, La da da, La dee dee, Eric the half a bee. Ho ho ho, Tee hee hee, Eric the half a bee. Is this a wretched demi-bee Half asleep upon my knee? Some freak from a menagerie? No! It's Eric the half a bee. Fiddle-dee dum, Fiddle-dee dee, Eric the half a bee. A, b, c, d, e, f, g, Eric the half a bee. I love this hive employee-ee, Bisected accidentally One summer afternoon by me. I love him carnally. (He loves him carnally) Semi-carnally. The end. >From mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa .chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!v ixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.ACO.net !news.iif.hu!news.sztaki.hu!news.bme.hu!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berl in.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps FAQ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:57:04 +0000 Organization: Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) X-Access: 16 334 522 In article , lehmann@opus.mco.edu (Paul F. Lehmann, Ph.D.) wrote: > As a visitor to the Tudor reenactment at Kentwell Manor, Suffolk, England, > during July I can thoroughly recommend it. The bee exhibit was great and > really exciting and there was a mass of other interesting things to look > at. By the way, it was me that took you to see the bees - tall red-haired chap with a beard, dressed in green and brown - so I'm glad you enjoyed it. I take it you are back in the States now. Hope you liked the rest of Kentwell! Yours Mike -- Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/mreddy.html Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 Yours Mike Reddy -- Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/mreddy.html Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mi d Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jul 31 16:35:14 EDT 1995 Article: 2341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's the FAQ, Jack? Date: 26 Jul 1995 05:52:02 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3v4l62$laq@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Justus Hayes wrote: >Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of >the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started >up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has >to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the >last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? Hello, If you would like to get the latest copy of the beekeeping FAQ, pointing toward internet beekeeping resources, here's what you do: * WWW URL: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq * WWW URL: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu:80/hypertext/faq/usenet/beekeeping-faq/faq.html * FTP: FTP rtfm.mit.edu log on anonymous, then cd to /pub/usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq can also FTP to: ftp.uu.net /usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq If you can't use FTP, you may email for the faq. Here's how: * email: mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu no subject in body of letter put: send usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq * Usenet The beekeeping faq is posted every month to: news.answers, sci.answers, misc.answers, alt.answers, rec.answers as well as sci.agriculture.beekeeping, misc.rural, alt.sustainable.agriculture, and rec.gardens. As a last resort, you may mail me and I'll send you the latest version, but I might take longer than the above sources.... As always, please send suggestions, comments, criticisms, and I'll do what I can. Wishing you the best in the beekeeping world, Adam -- ________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Adaptive significance-- what's that? >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuros hio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.ed u!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!colossus.holo net.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 04:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <950726065339416@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Lines: 86 P>From: pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca (Justus Hayes) >Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack? P>Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of >the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started >up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has >to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the >last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? Hi Justus, Nice Post, I will add it to the FAQ "Quote of the Month". There are FAQ's and there are faq's. 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SYSOP : : andy.nachbaur@beenet.com, dial up (209) 826-8107 28.8 bd, : : 8N1, 24 hrs since 1990. : :------------------------------------------------------------: \__________________________________________________________/ --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! >From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:17 EDT 1995 Article: 2343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc. duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!ukma!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford .com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!rch129.eld.ford.com!hmccabe From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket control Date: 26 Jul 1995 14:51:42 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3v5kpu$d7p@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> References: <950721170122390@beenet.com> <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rch129.eld.ford.com In article <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Steve Bambara writes: > One thing to take note of is that these recommendations are not > universal. Traps do not work in the Eastern US. In addition, just > because a trap catches the target insect, does not mean that there is > any "control" Insects may be attracted into an area, or the amount > trapped (though it may seem significant to you) may be a fraction of the > population. If you were bothered by 75 yellow jackets instead of 100, > would you consider that a success? > Stephen Bambara > Raleigh, NC > > Why would the trap fail to work in the Eastern US? -- Harold McCabe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do not speak for Ford. Everything above this line is my opinion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Voice: 313-248-8797 Subsystem Requirements Engineering FAX: 313-248-2286 Ford/Automotive Components Division hmccabe@ford.com Dearborn, MI USA >From mikew54789@aol.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol. com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mikew54789@aol.com (MikeW54789) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Help Starting Library Date: 26 Jul 1995 20:02:52 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3v6l3c$q7f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: mikew54789@aol.com (MikeW54789) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com The Central Maryland Beekeepers Assoc. would like to start a library of books and videos. We have $1000 to spend. Is there anyone out there that has done this? I would appreciate any suggestions regarding sources, discounts or any thing you can offer. Mike >From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.n et!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick!clyde.open.ac.uk!admi nmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa - detection NOT treatment Date: 24 Jul 1995 18:05:03 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3v0ncf$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Is there a sure-fire way to detect mites without resorting to stuff like Bayvarol or uncapping/examining brood? I know someone who keeps bees but is anti the above methods. Regular concerted treatment is being advised, but will probably not be accepted in this case. Treatment on detection may. Richard. ~~~~~~~~ >From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:22 EDT 1995 Article: 2346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick !clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in exposed areas Date: 24 Jul 1995 18:18:38 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3v0o5u$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping?ALL I have stocks in National hives on the edge of some moorland. The site is quite high up, and during the winter months is likely to be rather damp/blowy/cold. Can anyone advise me - does anything need to be done to assist overwintering, i.e. extra packing over the crown board, "wrapping" of the hive or whatnot? The hives will probably remain on brood + 1/2. I have only kept bees in sunny Bedfordshire before (!). I will be tying down the hives, just in case! The area is pleasant in the summer (as far as that is possible in our climate) & has provided surplus this season. Richard. ~~~~~~~~ >From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!apis.demon.c o.uk!Gordon From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa - detection NOT treatment Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 16:01:57 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <806947317snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: <3v0ncf$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 In article <3v0ncf$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk "Richard Yates" writes: > Is there a sure-fire way to detect mites without resorting to stuff like > Bayvarol or uncapping/examining brood? I know someone who keeps bees but is > anti the above methods. Regular concerted treatment is being advised, but wil l > probably not be accepted in this case. Treatment on detection may. I use a mesh screen false floor under the brood nest and over the old (reversed) wooden floor. Dying mites drop off of the bees and land on a paper insert under the screen where the bees can't throw them out with the rubbish. The natural mortality of mites is _much_ lower than with Bayvarol but does give a clue to the level of infestation. Be warned that natural mortality rates in the UK seem unusual at present. Early figures in Germany (I can't find the reference) suggested that a few tens of mites per day indicated imminent colony collapse. At present in the UK, mortality rates can be several *hundreds* per day without collapse. IBRA have a Varroa information pack -- ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Talc, icing sugar or lactic acid all give a *relatively* benign knockdown -- more info mailed direct. There are a couple of downsides to 'varroa floors'. The bees sometimes extend the bottom of the comb down to the mesh. Below the mesh can become a wax moth factory. Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK >From paulp@ims.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:24 EDT 1995 Article: 2348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet! in2.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Brood Area Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:22:22 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I've a hive where the queen is only filling about four frames with brood. The brood area is very tidy looking, it just isn't very big. This hive has plenty of stores for the winter, but I'm concerned about there being enough bees. Right now, when I smoke them down, they will fill the bottom box but not much more. I've been watching this hive for about a month since I first noticed this condition, and it seems to be fairly stable at four frames of brood (not declining). What is the minimum to winter a hive in the Pacific Northwest? >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:25 EDT 1995 Article: 2349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!hol onet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Opportunity Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 01:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <950726202313423@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 25 *FYI* From: Robert Rice Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:39:04 +1200 Subject: Beekeeping Opportunity BEEKEEPING BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY IN NEW ZEALAND A friend is wanting to sell his commercial honey production business which is based on the Nth Canterbury Plains near Christchurch, New Zealand. If this opportunity is of interest to you or anyone you might know please ask the to contact me directly. Robert Rice Apiculture Services Manager (Sth Island) Ministry of Agriculture P.O. Box 24, Lincoln, New Zealand. E-Mail ricer@lincoln.mqm.govt.nz --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ This tagline stolen by Off-Line Xpress! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:26 EDT 1995 Article: 2350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathwork s.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet !colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Guide to Pollen used by beesNEW POLLEN ATLAS JUST RELEASED Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <950727170745426@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 48 *NEW BOOK* From: Anguspd0@AOL.COM Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:26:48 -0400 Subject: Guide to Pollen used by bees NEW POLLEN ATLAS JUST RELEASED POLLEN OF THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES: WITH EMPHASIS ON MELISSOPALYNOLOGY AND ENTOMOPALYNOLOGY (released in July, 1994; $27.00) by G. Jones, V. Bryant, M. Lieux, S. Jones, & P. Lingren The hardback edition of this pollen atlas of Southeastern U.S. flora is finally available for sale. It contains nearly 100 pages of text and indices as well as over 100 full-page plates. In total there are nearly 1,000 individual SEM photographs of 400 different vouchered pollen taxa found in flora of the Southeastern United States. In addition to a text portion, and plates, the book contains five separate indices that make finding the picture of any pollen grain easy. All of the SEM photographs are indexed according to their plant family, acc