>From pimentel@roots.ultranet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:40 EDT 1995 Article: 2215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!r oots.ultranet.com!pimentel From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisation s Date: Sat, 8 Jul 1995 17:13:22 LOCAL Organization: Whatever I wish it to be at the time Lines: 44 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <950708133030294@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: roots.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <950708133030294@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur ) writes: >Hello All, > This network news group stuff is really getting confusing. If anyone >has been able to follow it please advise us all as how or what effects >it will have on sci.agriculture.beekeeping. > It's not clear to me if it is being eliminated, combined, or staying >the same. After reading this post several times it seems to have not >been mentioned so I would guess it is staying the same, but want to be >sure. > I can support adding more agricultural news groups, but this is too >many at one shot, and very confusing to at least me. Why, is it confusing? >We are part of agriculture, but >have alway's been been separate and I think that is good and we should >keep it that way as far as news groups go. And I heard from the individual that created this group that the farming groups belonged in this hierarchy. OK, we (that's the proponents and I) are proposing just that and now you have a problem with it. Please decide what it is you want. And no it is not confusing, if you take the time to breakdown the groups being presented. There will be three farming groups, they will be in sci.agriculture.*, under a hierarchy called livestock. There will be eight newsgroups added to rec.pets.* three of which will be under rodents, and finally there will be ten newsgroups added to a newly created hirarchy called misc.wildlife.*, one of these will be opened to include dolphins. And finally there are two renames not previously included. What does this have to do with beekeeping? Nothing, other than the livestock groups coming into the neighbourhood and the proposed rename of the parent group, sci.agriculture to sci.agriculture.misc And no I'm not a news.group guru. On last note: None of this will happen if people don't vote for it. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:42 EDT 1995 Article: 2216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.n et!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisatio Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 02:43:00 GMT Message-ID: <950708221808297@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <950708133030294@beenet. com> Lines: 26 P>From: pimentel@roots.ultranet.com (John Pimentel) >Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisati >s P>In article <950708133030294@beenet.com> andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachba >) writes: P>And I heard from the individual that created this group that the farming >groups belonged in this hierarchy. OK, we (that's the proponents and I) >are proposing just that and now you have a problem with it. Please decide >what it is you want. hELLO John, Sorry to pull on your chain. I got no problem, in fact it looks better to me the more it is explained, but maybe I find it a little hard to follow. If I understand what you have posted there will be NO change to the beekeeping news group and that is what I was interested in. I will vote for that, and adding the new news groups too. As for what I want, that would be to continue the beekeeping news group with out a lot of off topic posts if possible. ttul Andy- >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisation s Date: 9 Jul 1995 01:26:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3tnb78$mm0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <950708133030294@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf No the newsgroup is staying the same: in fact hopefully more newsgroups will go under the sci.agriculture.* hierarchy, strengthening the alliance of folks in agriculture may they be producers, enthusiasts or scientists. All the wind being blown about the change was basically just that: hot air. But, if someone ever decides to change this newsgroup or any other that you like, it is your job to keep informed, and to vote. Net gurus have the power to remove even the best laid plans, so keep alert: even posting a simple "what's all this garbage mean" post is okay--even encouraged. Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From E2Y1@UNB.CA Fri Jul 14 01:45:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans .net!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.unb.ca!UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA From: "Mrs. Andrea Gatto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles Date: 08 JUL 95 11:52:42 AST Organization: The University of New Brunswick Lines: 18 Sender: usenet@UNB.CA Message-ID: <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: unbvm1.csd.unb.ca Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles? I would like to try this, as my father in law has started beekeeping as a hobby. Thanks in advance. -andrea. >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Multi Queen Environment Date: 9 Jul 1995 02:23:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <3tnejb$nj3@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3tekv5$t3d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3tlqad$5p7@grovel.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3tlqad$5p7@grovel.iafrica.com>, Rod Ladwig wrote: >I have also known of cases here in >africa that some beekeepers have had up to 5 queens in a hive. > Interesting! How big were the hives--how were the boxes allocated to each queen? Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:48 EDT 1995 Article: 2220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.h olonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisatio Date: Sun, 9 Jul 1995 05:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <950709062718301@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3tnb78$mm0@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <950708133030294@beenet.com> Lines: 82 A>From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) >Subject: Re: 4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.* organisati >s A> No the newsgroup is staying the same: in fact hopefully more newsgroups >will go under the sci.agriculture.* hierarchy, strengthening the alliance >of folks in agriculture may they be producers, enthusiasts or scientists. Thanks Adam, I like the idea of having more news groups and will subscribe to them for my bbs users. The beekeepers are doing a good job on watching the few agriculture groups and lists that are around now for questions on bees and other topics they are interested in. I am sure that will increase with more news groups if they are voted in. ttul Andy- __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ : WILD BEE'S BBS Beekeeping Support BBS 209-826-8107 : : BEEKEEPING FAQ'S Beekeeper's Helping Beekeepers : : : : How to USE: : : : : To receive a Beekeeping FAQ via E-MAIL, send a message to : : to the FAQ name @beenet.com - For example, to get a copy : : of this message, (WILDBEES.FAQ), send a internet E-MAIL : : to: wildbees.faq@beenet.com ..To get a copy of the INDEX : : of APICULTURAL ISSUES AND ANSWERS newsletters (APINDEX) : : you would send E-MAIL to: apindex@beenet.com. : : : : Mail runs are 6am & 6pm, California time zone. 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You make beeswax candles the same way you make other candles. However, you do have to first melt the beeswax, let the sediment drop to the bottom, and then strain the remaining wax through something like an old T-Shirt to get the remaining stuff out of it. You will lose some wax in the process. You can then use pure beeswax (which is wonderful!) or you can cut it with pariffin. Check out local craft stores, etc. for books on candlemaking. Good Luck! Marjorie >From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei .com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!coopext.ca he.wsu.edu!collmans From: "Sharon J. Collman" Subject: Re: Re. purple loostrife discussion Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <950704173142241@beenet.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 07:33:18 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <950704173142241@beenet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 42 On Tue, 4 Jul 1995, Andy Nachbaur wrote: > > *Not all the mail I get on this subject has been anti beekeeper. > passed on with permission. > ---------------------------------------- > From: jwagner@mindspring.com (Jim Wagner) > To: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com > Date: Sun, 02 Jul 1995 20:18:46 -0500 > Subject: Re. purple loostrife discussion > > Dear Beefriend, > > I am a brand new hobby beekeeper, only two hives started this spring. So I <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< snipped for brevity <<<<<<<<<<<<<< > Ask an enviornmentalist why a human couple can mate and raise a family in an > eight by ten room but it takes three square miles for a spotted owl to do > the same? Easy answer. The human couple draws upon the resources of most of the states of the US as well as countries of the world for food, shelter and clothing. The owl only has 3 square miles and has to work around the people. ---- Chirps! Sharon J. Collman OR Sharon J. Collman c/o Center For Urban Horticulture Box 354115 13720 23rd Ave. NE University of Washington Seattle, WA. 98125-3322 Seattle, WA 98195-4115 Phone: 206-543-8616 206-364-6966 Fax: 206-685-2692 EMail: collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu NOTE NEW ADDRESS: box and zip ext OR New address and phone >From collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:45:51 EDT 1995 Article: 2223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng. mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!reuter.cse. ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!coopext.cahe.wsu.edu!collmans From: "Sharon J. Collman" Subject: Re: Prevention of Waxmoth Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 06:23:10 GMT Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII References: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Organization: Washington State University Lines: 45 On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Mark Jensen wrote: > In article <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Richard Yates > wrote: > > > There may be some substance > > to store with the frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name, anyon e? > > Paradichlorobenzene, wax moth crystals. Mann Lake had permission to sell > it for wax moth control, but something was not right with the label and > the EPA is not allowing them to sell it at the present time. Mann Lake is > trying to get approval, but there is no way to know if and when they will > be successful. However, there is another source for para, janitorial > suppliers sell para as hockey puck shaped blocks for use in urinals. Make > sure they are 100% paradichlorobenzene, as other moth ball chemicals are > really bad news. > > Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com > > According to discussions on entomo-l, paradichlorobenzene (note the benzene) is nasty stuff and is being discontinued from use by museum workers. Does this have a registration for wax moth? Might their be a problem of contamination of honey? If it kills waxmoth, and dermestids in museums, what does it do to bees? I'm not familiar with this product for this us and am not a beekeeper, so I ask more to suggest caution and doublechecking before use. ---- Chirps! Sharon J. Collman OR Sharon J. Collman c/o Center For Urban Horticulture Box 354115 13720 23rd Ave. NE University of Washington Seattle, WA. 98125-3322 Seattle, WA 98195-4115 Phone: 206-543-8616 206-364-6966 Fax: 206-685-2692 EMail: collmans@coopext.cahe.wsu.edu NOTE NEW ADDRESS: box and zip ext OR New address and phone >From eifert@ix.netcom.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:53 EDT 1995 Article: 2224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-sta te.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: eifert@ix.netcom.com (Darrell Eifert) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wintering: Thanks Date: 10 Jul 1995 15:30:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3trh3i$4er@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-wor-ma1-09.ix.netcom.com Thanks to all who responded with information regarding wintering a hive for my uncle in North Carolina. I'll compile the information and forward it to him. Who knows -- I may get the beekeeping bug (no pun intended) and be back on line with some questions of my own! Take care. -- Darrell >From marko@pulse.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!mark o From: marko@pulse.com (Mark C. Orton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles Date: 10 Jul 1995 15:56:52 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3trik5$r8e@news.cais.com> References: <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: naomia.pulse.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Marjorie Rosen (marjorie@netcom.com) quoth: > Mrs. Andrea Gatto (E2Y1@UNB.CA) wrote: > : Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles? > : I would like to try this, as my father in law has started > : beekeeping as a hobby. > You make beeswax candles the same way you make other candles. However, > you do have to first melt the beeswax, let the sediment drop to the > bottom, and then strain the remaining wax through something like an old > T-Shirt to get the remaining stuff out of it. You will lose some wax in > the process. You can then use pure beeswax (which is wonderful!) or you > can cut it with pariffin. Check out local craft stores, etc. for books on > candlemaking. I'll add one more bit of wisdom to this: if you melt the wax in a copper (or copper-alloy) container, it will turn green. If you want the candles to be the natural beeswax color, avoid copper. -- Mark C. Orton employed by (but not speaking for) Pulse Communications, Inc. >From mkeithr@neosoft.com Fri Jul 14 01:45:56 EDT 1995 Article: 2226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans .net!spool.mu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!newsfeed.rice.edu!news.sesqui.net!uuneo.ne osoft.com!usenet From: mkeithr@neosoft.com (Keith Reynolds) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 10 Jul 1995 16:17:39 GMT Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 968 5800 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: scooter-slip-e2.neosoft.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 My mother has a problem hive residing in a Purple Martin house. She says they are Bumblebees. They are very aggressive and have made gardening/lawn mowing very hazardous. She has been stung once and my father twice. Any advice would be much appreciated. Incidentally, there are baby birds nesting in one of the other holes and they would like to not harm them if at all possible. Thanks in advance. >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:45:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Do Bee Stings Help Arthritis? Message-ID: <1995Jul10.164311.10861@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3ta7hm$dkd@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <3te0dc$49l@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:43:11 GMT Lines: 17 In article <3te0dc$49l@sun4.bham.ac.uk> altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) write s: > >It has been fairly well documented that bee keepers suffer less >from arthritis than the general population. The treatment is >simply to get stung on a regular basis. Whether it can >'cure' arthritis or just delay its onset I don't know. This is widely believed but I'd be very interested in the documentation you refer to. The person most seriously crippled with arthritis that I know (now confined to a wheelchair) was a beekeeper for many years before (and while) the disease developed. Draw your own conclusions. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From dave@alkham.demon.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:45:58 EDT 1995 Article: 2228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!demon!alkham.demon.co.uk!dave From: dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Date: Sun, 09 Jul 95 22:56:19 GMT Organization: First Circle Lines: 13 Message-ID: <805330579snz@alkham.demon.co.uk> References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Reply-To: dave@alkham.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: alkham.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Try contacting the local beekeeping association if there is one as they will often have members who are willing to come and remove the bees from you for free in order to (re)populate a hive. This is the way I ended up getting my first swarm (which was healthy). Swarms can cost as much as 100 ukp in the UK but these are kept (allegedly) in hygenic conditions and monitored for sickness before being sold on later so don't get greedy and imagine that anybody will PAY to remove your swarm! Good luck. -- Dave >From redotec@algonet.se Fri Jul 14 01:46:00 EDT 1995 Article: 2229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!seunet!news2.swip.net!news.algonet.se!usenet From: Margareta Berglund Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Paralysis Disease Date: 10 Jul 1995 18:42:43 GMT Organization: redotec Lines: 41 Message-ID: <3trsb3$6vu@alecto.algonet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: sophocles.algonet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping A beekeeping colleague asked me to send this question. Is there anyone with info and/or knowledge about Bee Paralysis disease, or that can give me an idea on where to look for more information? I suspect an outbreak of Paralysis among my bees. Adult bees die off as soon as they start flying, some are found crawling near the hives with trembling motions. Some have one or two legs paralysed, some have one wing pointing in an odd direction. There is no spraying, to my knowledge, going on in the area where I have the bees. This affects 250 hives spread over an area of 20 km. This is the second season I have this problems, last year not so severe as now. Spring build up was normal in most hives, I got a box of honey on some in an early flow on dandelions. Then all of a sudden bees started to disappear, only young bees where left in the hives. Even queenrearing is affected, emerging queens show similar symtoms, with often paralysed and defect front legs. I hope someone can help me with more information on how to diagnose and prevent furter spread of the disease. The bees are located in Sweden on Latitude 60'. P-O Gustavsson Thanks in advance Margareta Berglund redotec@algonet.se >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:46:03 EDT 1995 Article: 2230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!dish.news.pipex .net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Message-ID: <1995Jul10.165427.11020@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 16:54:27 GMT Lines: 21 In article <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> William Mielke <75753 .3556@CompuServe.COM> writes: >I've got a problem that's getting worse lately bees ( I live in >Vancouver Canada ) and never run across so many. I originally >found a nest ( at the foundation of a building add-on ) ... >Is there some way to get the bees to move on or a >pesticide to use ( that can be bought in Canada ) that can rid me >of the problem before they get fully re-established. Are these honeybees or bumblebees? In the former case, on a warm afternoon, I'd expect at least several hundred bees to be flying around the entrance _at the same time_. However, if they're bumblebees (large striped _furry_ bees), you should rarely see more than one or two simultaneously. Depending on which, I'd answer your question completely differently. -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:04 EDT 1995 Article: 2231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.ne t!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:22:36 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 2 Message-ID: <3tsn9c$73d@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Test - please ignore >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:05 EDT 1995 Article: 2232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vi xen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.ne t!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:42:13 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3tsoe5$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Ok, sorry about the test; I've been having problems doing follow-up posts. Assuming they *are* bumble bees, the general procedure is to expose the cavity within which they have established their colony and simply scoop out the globular, waxy peanut-like clusters comprising it. Do this quickly - don't mess around. Open the cavity locate the clusters and dump them into a 5 gallon bucket with a little flyin insect killer sprayed inside. Work quickly and you will minimize the probability of getting stung. You will need a good veil, gloves and thick shirt(s). Really, you should use a good suit. Normally, in removing these or vespids, you'd want to spray a bit of flying insect killer in the cavity to knock out any flyers. But in this case you'll probably just have to do without. If it's a small nest you'll be ok. If it's big.... I don't know. Maybe you could spray in some ammonia.... What exactly is the physical configuration of the box? Bumblebees, despite their benign nature can really be mean when aroused. Also intimidating. When they bump your veil, you know it. For the record, I absolutely hate to kill bumblebees. We usually try to talk the customer out of it if at all possible.... At this point, if it's absolutely necessary (i.e., they are either hiring us or doing it themsleves or hiring someone else - either of the latter may result in a botched job), we just do it and get it over with as quickly as possible. Dave >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:07 EDT 1995 Article: 2233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vi xen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.ne t!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:44:34 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3tsoii$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Whups, forgot to post the alternative method. Since you actually know erxactly where the nest is, and it is apparently in a defined, confined space, why not try something like liquid nitrogen or dry ice? >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:09 EDT 1995 Article: 2234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!stallion.jsums.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vi xen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.ne t!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Date: 11 Jul 1995 02:52:43 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3tsp1r$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> <805330579snz@alkham .demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] dave (dave@alkham.demon.co.uk) wrote: : Try contacting the local beekeeping association if there is one as they will : often have members who are willing to come and remove the bees from you for : free in order to (re)populate a hive. This is the way I ended up getting my : first swarm (which was healthy). Just be sure that they define the perimeter of the colony and remove the brood comb. If they open it up from the inside, have them screen-off the interior opening. Do not have them caulk up the outside entrance until the remains of the hive have been robbed out (about 6 days or so). Then, make sure the repairers fill the cavity with fiberglass or some other insulation and also caulk up the exterior entrance. Also, look for other openiongs in the structure (around eaves, etc.) and caulk those too. Spraying the exterior entrance just causes them to move around and find another entrance - perhaps through the living room light fixtures! Dave If this is unclear or you have questions, e-mail me or contact Anthony M. Buzas, Commercial Beekeepers at 215 483-4165. (Ask for Tony) >From 75753.3556@CompuServe.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:10 EDT 1995 Article: 2235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!udel!delmarva.com!n ewsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: William Mielke <75753.3556@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Getting rid of bees Date: 10 Jul 1995 06:53:15 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3tqior$556$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> References: <3tla0m$qlm$2@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Thanks very much for the suggestions I got via email everyone, it appears we now have got the problem under control. Bill Mielke -- Bill Mielke >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:11 EDT 1995 Article: 2236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dyes and Bees Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 00:39:00 GMT Message-ID: <950710221601310@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <1995Jul6.130824.5531@crosfield.co.uk> <804446447snz@apis.demon.co. uk> <3s2lcm$ Lines: 61 ---------------------------------------- From: "Moote, John M." Date: Mon, 10 Jul 1995 07:56:10 -0400 Subject: Re: Dyes and Bees After I posted to BEE-L about a new pesticide, I have had several discussions with Jim De Quattro concerning a short summary appearing in "Inside R & D". Jim works for the USDA. To recap, the article was on a new dye that is toxic to insects but not to mammals. My comment was that "they still don't get it" and that it did not appear that anyone was concerned with "apis". I found out two things... 1. The Internet is a much larger forum than you might imagine and 2. I was probably 180 degrees off target... with permission, Jim's comments... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- John, A colleague who subscribes to the list sent me a copy of your message, since I've written about some aspects of the dye research. You correctly noted that Inside R&D's story about fruit fly-killing dyes addressed the issues of whether the dyes were safe for mammals and crops--but it ignored bees and beneficials. The dye blend mentioned in Inside R&D is SureDye--not a USDA invention but an experimental product of PhotoDye, Inc., Linthicum, Md. But, scientists at USDA's Agricultural Research Service have been testing the dyes against fruit flies for about two years. [The blend was developed about 1982 by James Heitz. He is a chemist at Mississippi State University, and president of PhotoDye. The dye is not a registered insecticide.] Inside R&D chose--probably based on assessing what their own audience would most likely want to know--not to address bees and other beneficials. But the researchers are. Feel free to follow up with them about the dye and beneficials. It won't be the first time they've been asked! Against fruit flies, the dye--ASSUMING it passes muster with researchers and regulatory agencies--MIGHT be used as an aerial spray, or in bait stations. According to the scientists, an insect has to ingest the dye for it to be toxic. This doesn't mean a bee could not ingest it, but it apparently wouldn't act as a contact insecticide like malathion. Can something that is imperfect--but better than (or not as "bad" as) malathion--be an acceptable alternative? Personally, I think yes. Could the dye become an acceptable alternative? Maybe, but I don't think enough evidence is in. I think the researchers would basically agree with that. Besides, acceptable to whom? To contact the ARS research teams: Robert Mangan, Crop Quality & Fruit Insects Research unit, Weslaco, Texas, phone (510) 565-2647; Nick Liquido, Tropical Fruit & Vegetable Research Laboratory, Hilo, Hawaii, phone (808) 959-4300. --Jim De Quattro, Writer/editor Information Staff, USDA Agricultural Research Service Internet jdequatt@asrr.arsusda.gov Phone (301) 344-2756, Fax (301) 344-2311 6303 Ivy Lane, Room 443, Greenbelt MD 20770 >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Jul 14 01:46:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlin k.net!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Getting rid of Bees II Message-ID: <1995Jul11.141709.7474@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <3trjr3$7j@uuneo.neosoft.com> <3tsoe5$7vn@netnews.upenn.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 14:17:09 GMT Lines: 192 Assuming that we are talking about bumblebees here I would put in a plea not to kill them. It is rarely necessary. If they really are a nuisance because of the place that they have chosen to make a home, it is possible to move the nest. Here are some interesting pieces on moving bumblebees - or even keeping them as pets - taken from the Bee-l mailing list recently. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:25:04 +0100 From: Malcolm Roe Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Michael Thigpen asks: > > I was informed by one of the tenants that bumble bees have "taken over" > the garage there. When I checked this weekend, there were indeed quite a > few buzzing around. I hate to disturb their activity, but the tenant is > in a panic. Is there a way that I might "invite" them to shift their > activity just a bit so that they'll not be near the tenants' vehicles? For some years I used to be on a list of beekeepers held by my local authority, who are responsible for pest removal in our area. If someone called them with a bee problem they'd get one of the beekeepers on the list to go instead of their own staff. In my experiece at least half the call-outs were actually for bumble bees, not honey bees. What I used to do was try to encourage the householder to leave them alone. It helps to know something about bumble bees and their behaviour. Sometimes a little reassurance is all that's needed. You soon know whether that's going to work. If not, I'd try to remove the bumble bees alive. This is often quite easy. The nests are usually made in a ball of insulating material. I often used to to find them in bird boxes. A bird had nested there one year. The next year a bumble bee queen established herself in the old nest. Old mouse nests are another common place. My guess is that the bees are in a pile of old rubbish somewhere in the garage. If you're lucky the nest will be inside some sort of container. Wait until the evening when the bees have stopped flying and you can just gently remove the whole container after blocking the entrance or putting it inside something like a sack. Otherwise, you'll have to lift out the nest enclosed in it's insulating matter and put it in a box to remove. In this case I'd wear gloves. There's a lot to be said for wearing a veil as well although bumble bees are much less aggressive then honey bees. Finally you can establish the nest somewhere else. My favourite place was under my shed, which is raised about 10cm above ground level. I'd just put the nest into something like a small cardboard box with a hole cut for an entrance and push it under the shed. Then I could watch "my" bumble bees flying all summer! ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:04:51 GMT From: "Gordon L. Scott" Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Malcolm Roe writes: > Michael Thigpen asks: > > > > I was informed by one of the tenants that bumble bees have "taken over" > > the garage there. .... > > put it in a box to remove. In this case I'd wear gloves. There's a lot > to be said for wearing a veil as well although bumble bees are much less > aggressive then honey bees. I agree with all Malcolm has said. I too do this fairly often. Bumble bees often make a lot of noise considering how few bees there are, but they don't *often* sting. They do sometimes come out of the nest is something of a noisy rush though. I had occasion last year to take a nest before dusk when there were still a few bees out flying, so I invited the homeowner (who by then was fascinated): "If you feel like it, put any straglers into a ventilated jar and bring them to me -- I'll put them with the rest as they *do* need their numbers." Over the next four days he brought me about 40 bees in a dozen jars, so it seems likely that not all bumbles come home every night. BTW, this was a big gorilla of a guy who spent an hour or so each of those nights, sitting by their ex-nest with a small fishing net, just scooping them up. Definitely a softy at heart. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 16:57:35 -0700 From: Ann Dougherty Subject: Bumble Bee Hive Does anyone know how to put together a Bumble Bee Hive? A friend has a nest of Red rumped Bumble Bees in his back yard in the ground. I recall reading a small hive can be built to house them. I'm mostly interested in just observing them. They sure are beautiful bees. any suggestions would be appreciated. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 13:23:00 -0700 From: "Kerry Clark 784-2225 fax (604) 784 2299" Subject: Re: Bumble Bee Hive There are professional ways to rear bumblebee colonies, but I tried a very simple method in a situation such as you describe, and it worked fine. A friend had a bumble bee nest in the rocks where his 2 and 4 year old had their sandbox, so the decision to moved the nest was made. I had a clear plastic package from the supermarket bakery: like a clam shell, about 6 x 4 x 4 inches. I stapled one side of the package in a sheltered spot just ouside a window, where we could watch. I stapled a piece of cloth, draping over the clear plastic for shade and insulation. I put a 3/4 inch hole in the box for an entrance. I used another plastic container to carry the nest. I had my bee veil and some rubber gloves. I moved some rocks and found the nest in an old mouse nest. I picked it up and put it in the container, with the large queen and about 20 smaller bumblebees, and covered it with a cloth, then I waited for 20 or so other bees to return to the nest spot, where I picked them one at a time and popped them into another container. I took the whole works home, put them in the clear box on the post, and released the bees. Within a couple of hours they were foraging as if they had been there all along. When the kids wanted to see them, I'd lift up the cloth and we would watch them a while. In a few days they had built a cover over the cluster of cells, and we couldn't see much except the foragers. The colony did alright for maybe 6 weeks, until September. Then the activity decreased and when I last looked there were quite a few mites running around in the nest material, but no bees. It was nice while it lasted. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:05:14 -0500 From: Jeff Fagerman Subject: How to move a bumblebee nests? Hello everyone, I have a bumblebee nest (in the ground alongside my children's sandbox) that I would like to excavate and move. I am not an expert in this, in fact, this will be my first non-honeybee venture. I am looking for advice >from those better informed before I undertake this task. One point, I would like to keep the bees for further observation and study. Here's my current plan for removal: 1. Construct a small box (next) about 6 inches on a side with a small hole (about one-half an inch in diameter), paint it for water proofing, and put a removable lid on top for later replacement with glass (for observation). Maybe put some grass or other stuffing in it to make it look like a mouse nest. 2. Using a veil and a net, begin excavating the nest. As bees enter and exit catch them with a net and put them in a bottle of sorts for temporary holding. (I'm not quite sure how to move them from the net to the bottle. Any suggestions? Obviously this is a critical concern here, at least to me.) 3. Upon reaching the nest, remove nest and place in box. 4. Take nest and bees to a new site several miles away and place on ground. Shake bees (quickly) from bottle into nest. (Should I leave the nest sealed for a short period of time? I probably won't.) 5. Several weeks later, bring box back home and use as an observation hive. Any information anyone can share with me will be greatly appreciated? ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:31:07 -0500 From: Jeff Fagerman Subject: Update on moving bumblebees Just a quick update for those of you interested. I posted a message yesterday concerning moving a bumblebee nest and received a couple of very helpful suggestions. Well, last night I moved the nest and it was remarkably simple. The most amazing thing, in my opinion, was the non-aggressive behaviour of the bees. (The hive size was just under twenty (20).) The bees obviously didn't like my presence or intrusion but neither did they attempt to sting me, even when I was grabbing them and placing them in a container for transport. It was a rather interesting evening. Thanks to each of you who responded to my initial message. ========================================================================= -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From reichert@ndadsa.gsfc.nasa.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.j pl.nasa.gov!ames!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!thomas.gsfc.nasa.gov!user From: reichert@ndadsa.gsfc.nasa.gov (Gail Reichert) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: Tue, 11 Jul 1995 18:20:32 +0100 Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3tgt96$hpm@nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu> <3tit4o$kvt@caesar.udac.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: thomas.gsfc.nasa.gov Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133698 rec.animals.wildlife:4181 rec.bird s:22805 rec.pets:34951 rec.pets.birds:37825 rec.pets.cats:98517 rec.pets.herp:3 8508 sci.agriculture:5589 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2238 Me, too. If there's a straw vote, I'll vote for Cindy's proposal (for as many times as necessary 8-) 8-) 8-) Regards, Gail in response to Veronika.Berglund@UDAC.se<3tit4o$kvt@caesar.udac.se> wrote: > In article , tittle@netcom.com says... > > > >Agriculture IMO encompasses animals rather than the other way around. > >So: > > sci.agriculture.ratites > > > [A very good list of proposed groups deleted to save space] > > >This way, you have three animal hierarchies, which accurrately reflect > >their positions. Pets are clearly recreational, so rec.pets. Farming > >animals NOT recreational, DO require quite a bit of study, etc, AND > >sci.agriculture.beekeeping exists, so USE it, so sci.agriculture. Finally, > >wildlife animals have some recreational aspects, some scientific aspects, > >so misc.wildlife. > > > > Perfect! Easy, simple and neat! > > I'm with you Cindy! > > Veronika >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Requeening Advice Needed Date: 11 Jul 1995 21:52:47 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3turrf$qle@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I am preparing to requeen a dozen of my hives. In the past I've only attempted three at a time. What would be the most efficient method to tackle this endevor? 1) Assuming I will remove the old queen; How many days in advance should this b e done? 2) Assuming they make new queen cells: Do these need to be removed? 3) The queens are shipped with attendants; Do these have to be released? 4) Should I place the queen cage in the top or bottom brood box? 5) What else do I need to know? Thanks, New Mexico Mountain Beekeeper, Victor >From i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!reuter .cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!unicorn.it.wsu.edu!i9566249 From: i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu (Brian Mcewen) Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 02:25:04 GMT References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3tgt96$hpm@nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e7$af5@mack.rt66.com> Organization: Washington State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 69 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133775 rec.animals.wildlife:4191 rec.bird s:22818 rec.pets:34957 rec.pets.birds:37847 rec.pets.cats:98592 rec.pets.herp:3 8548 sci.agriculture:5597 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2240 Unicorn (unicorn@mack.rt66.com) wrote: : (Apologies if this is a duplicate, it originally got in with the : wrong subject header) : Kathryn A. Smith (katsmith@vt.edu) wrote: : : In article <3t242r$d4t@news.iastate.edu>, pholland@iastate.edu says... : : >Trouble is, animals are multi-use. : : This is the EXACT reason we are proposing placing the animal related : : newsgroups into the misc.* hierarchy!!! Thanks, Paul, for stating this : : as clearly as you did. : But the other side of that same coin is that you're trying to take : groups out of where they might fit best, say some in sci.agriculture and : some in rec.pets.* and put them all together just for the sake of : having them all together. *People* are multi-use, too, but on usenet : the discussions about people and their activities have been put into : different hierarchys, why shouldn't animals be the same? Pets are : recreational. Some animals are agricultural. A large number of people posting to this thread seem to be opposed : to putting all the animal groups together. (It seems to me that : it's the majority, but I can't say for sure). Would it be possible : to conduct a straw poll before this gets any farther to to see how : many people prefer putting some of the animal groups under : sci.agriculture how many people prefer pets staying under rec.pets.*? : Sheri Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context. I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the proposal, the proposed renaming up above. This is the first CFV that I'm going to make sure to vote on. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | " Information is pretty thin Brian McEwen | | stuff, unless mixed with experience. bmcewen@wsu.edu | | -Clarence Day i9566249@wsunix.wsu.edu | | Remember, what PCs are doing today the Amiga was doing in 1985 | | ( except for a few things, and the PC's will do those soon...) | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ : -- : Sheri Hurt : "Though the road seems never ending : Hold on to the hope I'm sending through..." Brian May 1992 -- +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | " Information is pretty thin Brian McEwen | | stuff, unless mixed with experience. bmcewen@wsu.edu | | -Clarence Day i9566249@wsunix.wsu.edu | | ------------------------------ | | Remember, what PCs are doing today the Amiga was doing in 1985 | | ( except for a few things, and the PC's will do those soon...) | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >From ccoplan@infi.net Fri Jul 14 01:46:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!h-na vy.richmond.infi.net!user From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Requeening Advice Needed Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 13:50:09 -0400 Organization: InfiNet Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3turrf$qle@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-navy.richmond In article <3turrf$qle@news.sandia.gov>, "Victor C. Rimkus" wrote: > 1) Assuming I will remove the old queen; How many days in advance should this be done? I believe I have read or heard somewhere 2 days in advance. An additional question - how often should you requeen - annually, biannually, or just when you notice the queen beecoming weak? Chris Coplan ccoplan@infi.net >From hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov Fri Jul 14 01:46:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu! purdue!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov!hubler From: hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov (Dale Hubler) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: 12 Jul 1995 11:59:36 GMT Organization: NASA Lewis Research Center Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3u0df8$9c8@sulawesi.lerc.nasa.gov> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e 7$af5@mack.rt66.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133891 rec.animals.wildlife:4205 rec.bird s:22839 rec.pets:34963 rec.pets.birds:37901 rec.pets.cats:98703 rec.pets.herp:3 8595 sci.agriculture:5606 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2242 In article , Brian Mcewen wrote: >Unicorn (unicorn@mack.rt66.com) wrote: >: (Apologies if this is a duplicate, it originally got in with the >: wrong subject header) > >: Kathryn A. Smith (katsmith@vt.edu) wrote: >: : In article <3t242r$d4t@news.iastate.edu>, pholland@iastate.edu says... > >: : >Trouble is, animals are multi-use. > >: : This is the EXACT reason we are proposing placing the animal related >: : newsgroups into the misc.* hierarchy!!! Thanks, Paul, for stating this >: : as clearly as you did. > > > > Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context. >I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the >proposal, the proposed renaming up above. This is the first CFV that I'm >going to make sure to vote on. > Really. It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it. For no reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something else. The net control freaks are upon us. I think some of the .edu people must have too much time on their hands. Pretty interesting how they use a political process to pull in lots of mail-list oriented groups to get support built up. You have to wonder how much traffic would actually appear in some of the more specialized groups they wish to create. But by pulling in those limited special interests they can pump up their yes vote #'s. (my gas) Dale -- Dale A. Hubler -- dale@lerc.nasa.gov -- (216) 433-8578 Sterling Software, Inc. at NASA Lewis Research Center, Cleveland, OH http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/Other_Groups/ACCL/dale.html Progress marches on, trampling everything in its path >From mallon@worldaccess.nl Fri Jul 14 01:46:24 EDT 1995 Article: 2243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfne t.nl!sun4nl!worldxs.worldaccess.nl!usenet From: mallon@worldaccess.nl (Niels Mallon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: agresive bees Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 06:17:14 GMT Organization: World Access Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3u13bf$h3g@worldxs.worldaccess.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: wxs3-16.worldaccess.nl X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 I have a problem with my bees,the problem is that they are very agresive. do i need a other queen,maybe a more quiet one,and how do i replace the old queen with the new one,if nessesary. If you know a sollution for this problem,i will gracefully receive it. greetings Coby Mallon >From unicorn@mack.rt66.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:25 EDT 1995 Article: 2244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!sg iblab!rahul.net!a2i!mack.rt66.com!mack.rt66.com!not-for-mail From: unicorn@mack.rt66.com (Unicorn) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Followup-To: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds ,rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Jul 1995 15:57:23 -0600 Organization: Engineering International Inc., Public Internet Access Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3u1gg3$9u@mack.rt66.com> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e 7$af5@mack.rt66.com> <3u0df8$9c8@sulawesi.lerc. nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: mack.rt66.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133902 rec.animals.wildlife:4209 rec.bird s:22845 rec.pets:34967 rec.pets.birds:37905 rec.pets.cats:98713 rec.pets.herp:3 8601 sci.agriculture:5607 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2244 Dale Hubler (hubler@heliotrope.lerc.nasa.gov) wrote: : Really. It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this : group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it. For no : reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something : else. I'm not sure who all this was directed at, but some of the people you may assume aren't "active" in the groups may be lurkers. I don't very often post to the rec.pets.dogs.* groups, but I've been a very "active lurker" for three years. I don't post very often, but I've posted a few times. I also have written to people "behind the scenes" much more often than I've posted. The people there, and the information there have been quite valuable to me. Especially when I was able to post and find out some of the latest information on a very specialized liver problem that my dog was having. Now that I also have a cat, I also lurk in the rec.pets.cats group. Please don't assume that just because someone isn't a frequent poster in a group that they don't read it or make use of its resources... Sheri -- Sheri Hurt "Though the road seems never ending Hold on to the hope I'm sending through..." Brian May 1992 >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:26 EDT 1995 Article: 2245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax cremes From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.717.23.0NFF94A3@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:51:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 3 We have too much wax and are tired of making candles. Does anyone have any ideas or recipes for cremes or polishes which could be made and sold at the farm stand? >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: welcome to NE From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.720.23.0NFF94BC@AGRANET.COM> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 95 11:13:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 5 Andy, I was on your BBS earlier this AM while you were still counting bees, Great to have you back. This BBS is called AGRA-NET and is open to the public. It has to be the BEST BBS that deals with AG issues. They list most of the Northeast AG newsletters and now with the beekeepers conference it is fantastic. Pass the word. the # is 508-529-0801. >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:29 EDT 1995 Article: 2247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis collection From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.704.23.0NFF9409@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:47:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 5 re. request for a summer of propolis collection Some times a plain rubber door mat with a rough surface will work. The bees will fill the holes or pock marks of the mat. You remove, cool it a little then roll the mat until the propolis drops out. >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:30 EDT 1995 Article: 2248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: propolis collection From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.718.23.0NFF94A4@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:47:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 5 re. request for a summer of propolis collection Some times a plain rubber door mat with a rough surface will work. The bees will fill the holes or pock marks of the mat. You remove, cool it a little then roll the mat until the propolis drops out. >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Fri Jul 14 01:46:31 EDT 1995 Article: 2249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: beeswax cremes From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.dmc.com!new s.iii.net!agranet.com!jim.metcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.705.23.0NFF940A@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 95 18:51:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 3 We have too much wax and are tired of making candles. Does anyone have any ideas or recipes for cremes or polishes which could be made and sold at the farm stand? >From altabios@bham.ac.uk Fri Jul 14 01:46:32 EDT 1995 Article: 2250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dish.news.pipex.ne t!pipex!warwick!bham!usenet From: altabios@bham.ac.uk (John E. Fox) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanted: instructions to make beeswax candles Date: 12 Jul 1995 13:47:29 GMT Organization: Alta Bioscience Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3u0jph$5eg@sun4.bham.ac.uk> References: <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: bcs118.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.6 In article <08JUL95.12828692.0046@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, "Mrs. Andrea Gatto" says: > >Does anyone know how to make bees wax candles? >I would like to try this, as my father in law has started >beekeeping as a hobby. > >Thanks in advance. >-andrea. > > Don't get any great ideas about making huge candles, bees are very frugal with their wax. In the UK there are one or two companies who make moulds for candles. You do need proper wick, string doesn't burn well. When you melt the wax, don't get it too hot, wait till it just starts to set before you pour it into the mould, it makes a better mould that way. John Fox >From rgpiepul@ionet.net Fri Jul 14 01:46:34 EDT 1995 Article: 2251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sp rintlink.net!ionews.ionet.net!usenet From: rgpiepul@ionet.net (Rob Piepul) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof" Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:27:25 GMT Organization: IONet Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tsip15.ionet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 What is the best kind of caulk to use? I have a colony of honey bees under the eaves of my house. A local beekeeper placed a temporary hive and covered the main entrance with a screen funnel. They "chewed" through the latex caulk sealing the joint between the eave and the wall. He then applied some silicon caulk which seemed to do the trick. However I am told by another beekeeper that bees can get through this also. Can anyone recommend a type of caulk to use that bees cannot eat through? Thanks, Rob Piepul, Tulsa Oklahoma >From made@andy.pp.fi Fri Jul 14 01:46:35 EDT 1995 Article: 2252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!suni c!sunic.sunet.se!trane.uninett.no!Norway.EU.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!newsmaster From: made@andy.pp.fi Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: 13 Jul 1995 04:29:38 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3u27fi$6l8@idefix.eunet.fi> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e 7$af5@mack.rt66.com> <3u0df8$9c8@sulawesi.lerc. nasa.gov> <3u1gg3$9u@mack.rt66.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: andy.pp.fi X-To: unicorn@mack.rt66.com (Unicorn) X-Mailer: SlipStream Jet v1.014 (Unregistered) Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:133959 rec.animals.wildlife:4225 rec.bird s:22862 rec.pets:34975 rec.pets.birds:37953 rec.pets.cats:98782 rec.pets.herp:3 8638 sci.agriculture:5614 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2252 U >: Really. It's pretty amazing how people who hardly participate in this U >: group, if at all, are so bent on reorganizing/renaming it. For no U >: reason other than that *they* think it'd be better named something U >: else. U >Please don't assume that just because someone isn't a frequent poster in U >a group that they don't read it or make use of its resources... U >Sheri Quite right, Sheri... I for one frequently comment on rec.pets.cats but hardly ever in INTERUSER group in Fidonet. Still having good time with both. Hi from Finland Andy ___ * UniQWK v4.1 * The Windows Mail Reader >> SlipStream Jet v1.014 (Unregistered) - (C) 1995 PBE >From knapper@bga.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:37 EDT 1995 Article: 2253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!bga.com!knapper From: knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: McClellan county quarantine Date: 12 Jul 1995 18:02:48 GMT Organization: Real/Time Communications - Bob Gustwick and Associates Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: maria.bga.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. Cheers Woody -- Woody Baker Postscript consultant/ hired software gun /flintknapper knapper@bga.com woody@knapper.cactus.org "If you ain't bleedin' you ain't knappin'" -->go ahead, ask me! >From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:38 EDT 1995 Article: 2254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!eff!ne ws.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.umd.edu!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof" Date: 13 Jul 1995 11:43:57 GMT Organization: Chesapeake Biological Laboratory Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3u30tu$dq8@gamera.umd.edu> References: <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Rob Piepul (rgpiepul@ionet.net) wrote: : What is the best kind of caulk to use? I have a colony of honey bees : under the eaves of my house. A local beekeeper placed a temporary hive : and covered the main entrance with a screen funnel. They "chewed" : through the latex caulk sealing the joint between the eave and the wall. : He then applied some silicon caulk which seemed to do the trick. : However I am told by another beekeeper that bees can get through this : also. Can anyone recommend a type of caulk to use that bees cannot eat : through? : Thanks, : Rob Piepul, Tulsa Oklahoma Most caulks are advertised as remaining pliable to cover the expansion / contraction caused by temperature variations. I would suggest using a wood filler such as "plastic wood" or one by Elmers (glue people). Plastic wood has very coarse fibers and Elmers product is very fine. When it dries it is as hard as wood. I use it to repair damage to hive parts. Jerry Worrell, worrell@CBL.UMD.EDU, Dunkirk Md. >From dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:40 EDT 1995 Article: 2255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state .edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!dsammata From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 Date: 13 Jul 1995 11:51:04 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3u31b8$h6h@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, and all the kinds of beehives . For information on registration call Kim Flottum, President, 1-800-289-7668. See you there >From manette@primenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:41 EDT 1995 Article: 2256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!xanth .cs.odu.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans. net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!ip198.msp.primenet.com!manette From: manette@primenet.com (Greg O'Dell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Horizontal Two Queen System Date: Wed, 12 Jul 1995 21:13:40 MST Organization: Primenet Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip198.msp.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] I am new to beekeeping this year and started two hives in April. I am interested in learning more about a technique called the horizontal two queen system that was developed at the University of Minnesota. I was told that this system will allow for greater honey yields. Any information would be appreciated. Please post responses to this Newsgroup or e-mail me at manette@primenet.com if you can help. Greg O'Dell Minneapolis, Minnesota >From katsmith@vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!u senet From: katsmith@vt.edu (Kathryn A. Smith) Newsgroups: news.groups,rec.animals.wildlife,rec.birds,rec.pets,rec.pets.birds, rec.pets.cats,rec.pets.herp,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 3rd RFD: misc.animals.*/rec.pets.* organisations [REVISED] Date: 12 Jul 1995 22:16:54 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech/Blacksburg Electronic Village Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3u1hkm$9e5@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3tagiv$hj8@caesar.ultra.net> <3tbmnn$abg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3tgt96$hpm@nitrogen.mankato.msus.edu> <3thq6s$nm2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3ti9e7$af5@mack.rt66.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as2511-4.sl014.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu news.groups:134036 rec.animals.wildlife:4234 rec.bird s:22886 rec.pets:34984 rec.pets.birds:37981 rec.pets.cats:98869 rec.pets.herp:3 8677 sci.agriculture:5621 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2257 In article , i9566249@unicorn.it.wsu.edu says... > > Sorry to quote so much, but I'd hate to get someone out of context. >I can't believe that there is that much support for item #2 of the >proposal, the proposed renaming up above. This is the first CFV that I'm >going to make sure to vote on. Please see the latest version of our RFD. It is called "4th RFD: misc.wildlife.*/rec.pets.*/sci.agriculture.*". This latest version is very dif ferent than the past 3 RFDs. TIA, Kathy >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.h olonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: welcome to NE Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 14:32:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713073358337@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <45.720.23.0NFF94BC@AGRANET.COM> Lines: 16 J>Subject: welcome to NE >From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) J>Andy, I was on your BBS earlier this AM while you were still counting >bees, Great to have you back. This BBS is called AGRA-NET and is open to >the public. It has to be the BEST BBS that deals with AG issues. They >list most of the Northeast AG newsletters and now with the beekeepers >conference it is fantastic. Pass the word. the # is 508-529-0801. Hello Jim, Sounds like a interesting place to visit. I will have to drop a nickel on them and see if I can find some new ideas to add to the Wild Bee's bbs. ttul Andy- >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!new serve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine Date: Thu, 13 Jul 95 09:55:42 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 16 Message-ID: <173DA8BA5S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> knapper@bga.com (Woodrow W. Baker) writes: > >McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due >to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. > Woody, Please forgive this ignorant yankee, but we ain't never heered of no McClellen County in this neck o' the woods! Where is it located? Texas? Arizona? Askin' 'cause I'm interested in AHB's migration, although I remain hopeful that they won't tolerate the cold and snow of the northern promised land! Aaron Morris - think there's no place like home! >From glhat@ihug.co.nz Fri Jul 14 01:46:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc. edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!waikato!news.midland.co.nz!newsource.ihug. co.nz!news From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Grey Lynn Housing Trust) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Extractor Date: 13 Jul 1995 17:55:59 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Lines: 4 Message-ID: <3u3mnf$4et@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: glhat.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 Can any one help with plans or location of plans for a simple solar wax extract or. Thanks, Terry Gosset >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Fri Jul 14 01:46:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine Date: 13 Jul 1995 11:36:11 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3u30fb$crm@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com>, Woodrow W. Baker wrote: >McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due >to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. Where is this? Adam -- ______________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Jul 14 01:46:52 EDT 1995 Article: 2262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate !holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax Extractor Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:06:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713170325342@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u3mnf$4et@newsource.ihug.co.nz> Lines: 53 G>From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Grey Lynn Housing Trust) >Subject: Solar Wax Extractor G>Can any one help with plans or location of plans for a simple solar wax extra >or. >Thanks, >Terry Gosset HINT FOR THE HIVE #111 SOLAR BEESWAX RENDERING AND HINTS FOR EXHIBITING WAX BLOCKS When it comes to rendering beeswax, nothing works like a solar wax extractor or melter. The melter can be made from almost any materials found around the beekeeper's establishment and adapted to any size apiary. The principles of wax extractor design are always the same, although the details of each specific apparatus may differ. Bits of wax, old comb and other scrapings from the hive are placed on a slated (usually) metal tray inside the box, the wax melts and drips off the tray into a collector pan. The pan usually has slanted sides, facilitation removal of the wax block once it hardens. Usually, the inside of the extractor is painted black to absorb as much radiation as possible, facilitating heat buildup inside the melter. The melter should always be bee tight; honey bees are usually attracted to the odor of melting wax (often there is honey adhered to the wax) and this promotes robbing during nectar dearth. It is generally agreed the best way to put up good beeswax for show in fairs and other events is to render it in a solar extractor. Wax is judges on several criteria including: color, cleanliness and freedom from honey, propolis and other adulterants; uniformity of appearance; and freedom from cracking or shrinking. The best colored (light yellow) beeswax comes from that rendered from cappings: wax from old combs is often quite dark. Bleaching in the sun will often lighten the color of rendered wax. Generally, wax from a melter is quite clean. The longer it stays liquid with the resultant settling of foreign materials, the cleaner it will become. This can be accomplished in the wax extractor or in a warm turned off oven. Once a cake of wax has hardened, detritis can be scraped off the bottom and if necessary, the cleaning process repeated. Uniformity and absence of cracks in a wax block because of shrinkage is minimized by allowing beeswax to cool very slowly. The preferred mold is a bread pan with slanted sides. Once a cake is ready for submitting to a judge, do not touch it (fingerprints will cause points to be subtracted), but wrap it in plastic. THE PRINTED VERSION SHOWS A PLAN FOR A SOLAR WAX EXTRACTOR >From adamf@sunSITE.unc.edu Sat Jul 15 12:54:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!sunSITE!adamf From: adamf@sunSITE.unc.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: faq and archive for this newsgroup Date: 14 Jul 1995 09:10:07 GMT Organization: SunSITE at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3u5c9f$1krc@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: calzone.oit.unc.edu Gearing up for the next faq and ready to receive materials for archival. Adam adamf@sunsite.unc.edu or adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:14 EDT 1995 Article: 2265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate !holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713170325343@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u30fb$crm@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com> Lines: 19 A>From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) >Subject: Re: McClellan county quarantine A>In article <3u12o8$i13@giga.bga.com>, Woodrow W. Baker wrot >>McClellan County has just been added to the commercial embargo area due >>to location of a swarm of Africanized bees. A>Where is this? >Adam Yeh, I was going to ask that and more. I am sure it's in Texas, but posters should remember that most of us are not identified as to where we are posting from geographically, including myself. ttul Andy- Los Banos, CA Central California >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate !holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 15:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <950713170325344@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3u31b8$h6h@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Lines: 10 D>From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro) >Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 D>EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, an >all the kinds of beehives . For information on registration call Kim Flottum >President, 1-800-289-7668. Yes, and tell him to post some detail in this news group. Maybe some will want to subscribe to GLEANINGS. >From G.M.Tardivel@ukc.ac.uk Sat Jul 15 12:54:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sol.ct r.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic. ac.uk!ukc!mango.ukc.ac.uk!G.M.Tardivel From: G.M.Tardivel@ukc.ac.uk (gmt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee sting relief? Date: Fri, 14 Jul 95 13:10:48 GMT Organization: University of Kent at Canterbury, UK. Lines: 30 Sender: G.M.Tardivel@ukc.ac.uk Distribution: world Message-ID: <614@mango.ukc.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: mango.ukc.ac.uk A friend, who spends a lot of time working outdoors has given me a newspaper cutting containing a letter describing a bee-sting cure. The writer appears to live in Canada. The cutting recommends a dilution of one teaspoon of meat tenderiser in (about) 50 ml of water. When dabbed on the sting the writer claims the solution will eliminate pain and swelling, and maintain heartbeat and breathing at an ordinary level. The meat tenderiser used by the writer (Adolf's instant meat tenderizer - not a product I've seen in England) contains - salt, sugar, tricalcium phosphate, papain and hydrogenated soybean oil. The tenderizer from my frind's kitchen does not contain tricalcium phosphate. She is eager to try this wonder cure for beestings and would like to know: 1) if anyone can suggest how it might work 2) if the tricacium phosphate would be an important ingredient as a beesting cure I would like to know 3) Are Canadian beestings likely to be of a similar severity to British beestings? Any comments? Thanks Jill Tardivel >From rshough@tasc.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:17 EDT 1995 Article: 2268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.ao l.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Prevention of Waxmoth Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 10:21:48 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 76 Message-ID: References: <3t5o0i$sko@grovel.iafrica.com> <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article , "Sharon J. Collman" wrote: >On Mon, 3 Jul 1995, Mark Jensen wrote: > >> In article <3t8ks1$gqc@clyde.open.ac.uk>, Richard Yates >> wrote: >> >> > There may be some substance >> > to store with the frames not not not mothballs - can't remember name, anyone? >> >> Paradichlorobenzene, wax moth crystals. Mann Lake had permission to sell >> it for wax moth control, but something was not right with the label and >> the EPA is not allowing them to sell it at the present time. [clip] Make >> sure they are 100% paradichlorobenzene, as other moth ball chemicals are >> really bad news. >> >> Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com >> >> > [concerns about use of PDB expressed by Sharon] >Sharon J. Collman OR Sharon J. Collman >c/o Center For Urban Horticulture >Box 354115 13720 23rd Ave. NE >University of Washington Seattle, WA. 98125-3322 >Seattle, WA 98195-4115 I got my PDB from the hardware store - ask for mothballs, and READ THE LABEL. The more common variety (in the USA) is, I believe, made with Napthalene (bad stuff because it contaminates the wax). I was able to find 100% PDB mothballs fairly easily, but had to reject several brands due to their makeup. Sharon - a clarification - the PDB is used during STORAGE of honey supers. The bees themselves can control wax moths when the supers are on the colony. Several days of airing out the supers is required before placing them back on the colonies, as the PDB _is_ detrimental to the bees. My understanding was that PDB is used because it does _not_ accumulate in the wax. Unfortunately, I don't have any references handy to back up my "knowledge". I have also been led to believe that use of PDB during storage is _NOT_ regulated in the USA because the chemical is not used "in" the hive - Apistan, Fumidal-B, etc. all go directly into the colony, and therefor must be labeled appropriately to be used legally in the colony. I have always exercised caution using PDB, allowing ample time to air out the supers, due to contamination concerns, but I always considered the risk to be PDB present on the surface of the wax (and therefor easy to get into the honey), and not from PDB that had been absorbed by the wax (which could, in turn, be absorbed by the honey, I suppose). It is my belief that all PDB on the surface of the wax vaporizes and disperses during the "airing out" process. Well, that's my nickle's worth. What I have expressed is opinion and recollection only, so please treat it with a healthy skepticism. Maybe others can offer references to back up my beliefs - I will try to do some quick research over the weekend - I'll post anything useful I find. Time to get back to work before my boss finds me chatting about beekeeping again! Cheers, Rick currently managing 20 colonies in Northeastern Massachussetts **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** SET DISCLAIMER ON The above is my opinion. Similarity to anyone else's opinion is pure coincidence. >From millerb@ACM.org Sat Jul 15 12:54:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!eccdb1.p ms.ford.com!fiesta.srl.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!pt9540.ped.pto.ford.com !millerb From: millerb@pt9540.ped.pto.ford.com (Bryan Miller) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 Date: 14 Jul 1995 16:31:30 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Co., Powertrain Electronics Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3u6652$gka@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com> References: <3u31b8$h6h@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> <950713170325344@beene t.com> Reply-To: millerb@ACM.org NNTP-Posting-Host: pt9540.ped.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Andy Nachbaur (andy.nachbaur@beenet.com) appears to have written: >D>From: dsammata@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Diana Sammataro) > >Subject: Eastern Apiculture Meeting July 31-Aug 4 >D>EAS meeting is going to have an Apitherapy session, candle making session, a n > >all the kinds of beehives . For information on registration call Kim Flottu m > >President, 1-800-289-7668. >Yes, and tell him to post some detail in this news group. Maybe some >will want to subscribe to GLEANINGS. Yes, and please tell us the state in which this fine event will be held. -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Bryan Miller | Powertrain Electronics | Control Systems Software| "Nil Sine Numine" millerb@ped.ford.com | >From pollen1@aol.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!convex!co nvex.convex.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e 1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollen1@aol.com (Pollen1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heating Honey Date: 14 Jul 1995 17:18:04 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3u6muc$soa@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: pollen1@aol.com (Pollen1) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Is it necessary to heat your fresh honey from the comb before eating? Thanks! Dave >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!new s.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <950714171208349@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 203 *To all US Beekeepers* You all warm enough? We do get hot weather here in California and having been down by the heat myself and knowing how long it can take to get over it I thought many of you would like to read this FAQ on survival in the heat. It is not something to mess with, if you get heat stroke you can injure your health and recovery is very slow. It is also hard on the bee's and they can melt down. Water is the key to saving yourself and the bee's. Drink lot's of it, and make sure your bee's are close to a good supply. ttul Andy- Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies EmergencyNet News Service Emergency Response & Research Institute 6348 N. Milwaukee, Suite 312, Chicago, IL 60646 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: 1430CDT Contact: Steve Macko, Managing Editor Phone: (312) 631-ERRI (3774) FAX: (312) 631-4703 Caution Urged During Heat Wave Chicago, IL, July 13,1995 -- With the temperatures and humidity at dangerous levels, the air quality diminishing, and no end in sight in some parts of the country, the Emergency Response & Research Institute (ERRI) is urging extreme caution for persons with cardiac and respiratory problems. According to Clark Staten, director of the Chicago-based emergency service think-tank, the recent heat wave has already resulted in the untimely deaths of several people in the Midwest and Southwestern part of the United States and more heat injuries or even deaths can be expected. "The conditions are ideal for heat cramps, heat exhaustion, and even heat stroke", the veteran (retired) paramedic said in an interview today. "This is the kind of weather that is dangerous to the elderly, children, and those that have diseases that prevent them from regulating heat well", he continued. "People with cardiac, respiratory, diabetic, asthmatic, and seizure problems should be warned to use extreme caution when exposed to this type of hot weather...it can aggravate their condition and even result in death", Staten added. "We would suggest that people with these conditions remain indoors in the air conditioning or even (if necessary) move to 'cooling centers' that have been established by many municipalities", he continued. "Even those that don't have a pre-existing medical condition can easily be affected by this type of heat and high humidity...they should take some simple precautions to prevent the onset of heat injuries", Staten concluded. According to ERRI, during the heat wave, people should: (1) Wear light colored clothing that will reflect the heat (2) Drink plenty of water or special electrolyte replacing fluids like "Gatorade", "Sports Drink" or other commercial products (3) Avoid alcoholic and caffeinated beverages, which tend to dehydrate you...rather than rehydrate you...which is needed. (4) If possible, avoid strenuous physical activity while outdoors...as this causes sweating and hastens fluid loss (5) Persons with known cardiac and respiratory conditions should remain indoors, in air conditioning, or move to cooler areas (6) Particularly the elderly and children should limit their exposure to high heat and humidity, as they are the most susceptible to its effects (7) Do not take salt tablets unless advised by a physician Staten also listed some of the signs and symptoms, of heat injuries, that can strike people during a heat wave. In order of seriousness, they include: Heat Cramps - Muscle pains caused by a build-up of acid compounds and an excessive loss of fluids in large muscles Signs & Symptoms - Cramps in legs or stomach area TREATMENT: # Remove the patient to a cooler environment # Rest the cramping muscles, sit or lie down # Replace fluids by mouth, use cool water or commercial electrolyte solutions # If the cramps do not subside, the patient should be taken to medical care Heat Exhaustion - Often called heat prostration or heat collapse, is a serious heat illness. It occurs when the body loses large amounts of water and electrolytes Signs & Symptoms - Cool, clammy(sweaty)skin, dizziness,feeling faint, nausea, vomiting, rapid pulse, feels weak or "bad" TREATMENT: # Move the patient to a cooler environment # Loosen tight or restrictive clothing or remove excessive layers of clothing # If the patient is conscious, give up to a liter of cool water or commercial electrolyte replacing fluids. Do not give fluids by mouth to a patient who can't hold the cup themselves. Never force fluids on a patient who is not alert, they could choke and aspirate the fluids. # In most cases, the patient ill recover on his/her own after fluid replacement and exposure to cooler temperatures. If not, or if a diminishing of his/her level of consciousness occurs, 911 must be called and EMT/Paramedics will start an intravenous line (I.V.) and replace fluids internally. # Unconsciousness, or a decreasing level thereof is reason enough to call 911. Always err on the side of safety and care for the patient in question. Heat Stroke - Heat stroke is a true medical emergency! It occurs when a patient that has suffered heat exhaustion does not receive treatment and is continually exposed to additional heat. Typical examples of heat stroke victims include elderly people who live in buildings without fans or air conditioning during heat waves, and children that are left in locked cars on a hot days. Humidity seems to contribute to the likelihood of both heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Signs & Symptoms: Hot & dry skin, lack of perspiration, excessive body temperature, lessening consciousness or total unconsciousness, strong rapid pulse diminishing and weaker as becomes unresponsive, imminent death if left untreated TREATMENT: # Call 911; request Emergency Medical Services (EMS) # Immediately and rapidly move the patient to a cooler environment; preferably air conditioning # Remove the patient's clothing and cover him/her (Continued to next message) >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:20 EDT 1995 Article: 2272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.e du!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy. nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hot Weather Emergencies Date: Fri, 14 Jul 1995 15:05:00 GMT Message-ID: <950714171208350@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 35 (Continued from previous message) with a sheet or towel soaked in cool water # If EMT/Paramedic services are delayed or not immediately available, ice packs can be applied to the patient's abdomen, armpits, and behind the neck # The patient will need intravenous (I.V.) fluids and extensive cooling measures to ensure survival. Hospital treatment will include reducing the body temperature by whatever means are necessary. Staten concluded by urging everyone to check on elderly neighbors and watch the activity of children during the remainder of this heat wave. He added that by being educated citizens will be better prepared to prevent heat injuries and care for family and friends that have suffered it's ill effects. -30- (c) EmergencyNet NEWS Service Emergency Response & Research Institute 6348 N. Milwaukee, suite 312, Chicago, IL 60646 (312) 631-ERRI - Voice/Voice Mail (312) 631-4703 - Fax (312) 631-0517 - Computer/Modem-EMERGENCY BBS-28,800bps >From 100115.2716@CompuServe.COM Sat Jul 15 12:54:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ne ws-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuser ve.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: James R. Griggs <100115.2716@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 519 pound honey production - 1 hive Date: 15 Jul 1995 03:34:16 GMT Organization: International Atomic Energy Agency Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3u7cvo$5qh$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> In 1945, my father had a bee colony on a scale so that the daily and total honey production could be monitored. The net (yes, NET!) honey production from that one colony was 519 lbs. We have a photo showing two 10-inch and 13 6-inch supers on the hive. It stands about 4 feet taller than my father's head. In addition to these, five 6-inch supers (full) were removed and replaced for refilling. My father was a professional honey producer in Iowa from 1934 until 1974, and had about a thousand colonies. Does anyone have a better production record to report? -- James R. Griggs 100115.2716@CompuServe.Com (Home) ST0@SGIT.IAEA.OR.AT (Work) Vienna, Austria >From rnoak@access.texas.gov Sat Jul 15 12:54:22 EDT 1995 Article: 2274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: rnoak@access.texas.gov (Rita Pirone Noak) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What kind of caulk is "bee-proof" Date: 15 Jul 1995 04:12:35 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3u7f7j$scl@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-1-86.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 In article <3u23qt$423@ionews.ionet.net>, rgpiepul@ionet.net (Rob Piepul) says: > >What is the best kind of caulk to use? A good welder probably can help you out. >From jdeming@delphi.com Sat Jul 15 12:54:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Joyce Deming Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Anyone Shipping Package Bees? Date: Sat, 15 Jul 95 01:00:59 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1d.delphi.com I just got my brother set up with a hive and equipment. Now all he needs are the bees. He called Weaver Apiaries (where I get my Buckfast queens), but they won't be shipping until next spring. Does anyone know of any breeders who will ship this time of year? I'm sure the heat is a problem for all the breeders, so he may have to wait until next year. It's pretty much past our swarm season here so I don't think that's an option. Anyway, what's that old rhyme -- "a swarm in July isn't worth a fly"?? Thanks for any advice. joyce jdeming@delphi.com >From pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca Mon Jul 31 16:35:12 EDT 1995 Article: 2339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!pjhayes From: pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca (Justus Hayes) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack? Date: 25 Jul 1995 23:49:01 GMT Organization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada Lines: 42 Message-ID: <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: interchg.ubc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? Thanks. Justus Hayes pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca FYA: Monty Python's "Eric the Half a Bee" Half a bee, philosophically, Must ipso facto half not-be. But half the bee has got to be, Vis-a-vis its entity. Do you see? But can a bee be said to be Or not to be an entire bee, When half the bee is not a bee Due to some ancient injury. Singing, La da da, La dee dee, Eric the half a bee. Ho ho ho, Tee hee hee, Eric the half a bee. Is this a wretched demi-bee Half asleep upon my knee? Some freak from a menagerie? No! It's Eric the half a bee. Fiddle-dee dum, Fiddle-dee dee, Eric the half a bee. A, b, c, d, e, f, g, Eric the half a bee. I love this hive employee-ee, Bisected accidentally One summer afternoon by me. I love him carnally. (He loves him carnally) Semi-carnally. The end. >From mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!europa .chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!v ixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!newsfeed.ACO.net !news.iif.hu!news.sztaki.hu!news.bme.hu!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!fu-berl in.de!mreddy.comp.glam.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk (Mike Reddy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skeps FAQ Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:57:04 +0000 Organization: Computer Studies, Glamorgan University Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mreddy.comp.glam.ac.uk (193.63.130.40) X-Access: 16 334 522 In article , lehmann@opus.mco.edu (Paul F. Lehmann, Ph.D.) wrote: > As a visitor to the Tudor reenactment at Kentwell Manor, Suffolk, England, > during July I can thoroughly recommend it. The bee exhibit was great and > really exciting and there was a mass of other interesting things to look > at. By the way, it was me that took you to see the bees - tall red-haired chap with a beard, dressed in green and brown - so I'm glad you enjoyed it. I take it you are back in the States now. Hope you liked the rest of Kentwell! Yours Mike -- Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/mreddy.html Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mid Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 Yours Mike Reddy -- Email: mreddy@comp.glamorgan.ac.uk CU-Seeme: 193.63.130.40 (On Request) Web: http://www.comp.glam.ac.uk/pages/staff/mreddy/mreddy.html Snail: J228, Dept. of Computer Studies, University of Glamorgan, Pontypridd, Mi d Glamorgan. CF37 1DL Wales, UK. +44 1443 482 240 Fax: +44 1443 482 715 >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jul 31 16:35:14 EDT 1995 Article: 2341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where's the FAQ, Jack? Date: 26 Jul 1995 05:52:02 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3v4l62$laq@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Justus Hayes wrote: >Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of >the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started >up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has >to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the >last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? Hello, If you would like to get the latest copy of the beekeeping FAQ, pointing toward internet beekeeping resources, here's what you do: * WWW URL: ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq * WWW URL: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu:80/hypertext/faq/usenet/beekeeping-faq/faq.html * FTP: FTP rtfm.mit.edu log on anonymous, then cd to /pub/usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq can also FTP to: ftp.uu.net /usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq If you can't use FTP, you may email for the faq. Here's how: * email: mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu no subject in body of letter put: send usenet/news.answers/beekeeping-faq * Usenet The beekeeping faq is posted every month to: news.answers, sci.answers, misc.answers, alt.answers, rec.answers as well as sci.agriculture.beekeeping, misc.rural, alt.sustainable.agriculture, and rec.gardens. As a last resort, you may mail me and I'll send you the latest version, but I might take longer than the above sources.... As always, please send suggestions, comments, criticisms, and I'll do what I can. Wishing you the best in the beekeeping world, Adam -- ________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Adaptive significance-- what's that? >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!maui.cc.odu.edu!kuros hio.ccpo.odu.edu!xanth.cs.odu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.ed u!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!colossus.holo net.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack? Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 04:11:00 GMT Message-ID: <950726065339416@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <3v3vtd$ps5@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Lines: 86 P>From: pjhayes@unixg.ubc.ca (Justus Hayes) >Subject: Where's the FAQ, Jack? P>Having lurked here for a short while, I am aware that a new version of >the FAQ is on its way. However, I have a friend who has recently started >up a hive and is champing at the bit to have a look at what the Net has >to offer in terms of beekeeping. Could someone please tell me where the >last FAQ is archived or perhaps email me a copy? Hi Justus, Nice Post, I will add it to the FAQ "Quote of the Month". There are FAQ's and there are faq's. 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SYSOP : : andy.nachbaur@beenet.com, dial up (209) 826-8107 28.8 bd, : : 8N1, 24 hrs since 1990. : :------------------------------------------------------------: \__________________________________________________________/ --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! >From hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:17 EDT 1995 Article: 2343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!godot.cc. duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!ukma!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford .com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!rch129.eld.ford.com!hmccabe From: hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket control Date: 26 Jul 1995 14:51:42 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Company Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3v5kpu$d7p@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> References: <950721170122390@beenet.com> <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rch129.eld.ford.com In article <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Steve Bambara writes: > One thing to take note of is that these recommendations are not > universal. Traps do not work in the Eastern US. In addition, just > because a trap catches the target insect, does not mean that there is > any "control" Insects may be attracted into an area, or the amount > trapped (though it may seem significant to you) may be a fraction of the > population. If you were bothered by 75 yellow jackets instead of 100, > would you consider that a success? > Stephen Bambara > Raleigh, NC > > Why would the trap fail to work in the Eastern US? -- Harold McCabe -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I do not speak for Ford. Everything above this line is my opinion. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Voice: 313-248-8797 Subsystem Requirements Engineering FAX: 313-248-2286 Ford/Automotive Components Division hmccabe@ford.com Dearborn, MI USA >From mikew54789@aol.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol. com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mikew54789@aol.com (MikeW54789) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Help Starting Library Date: 26 Jul 1995 20:02:52 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 6 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3v6l3c$q7f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: mikew54789@aol.com (MikeW54789) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com The Central Maryland Beekeepers Assoc. would like to start a library of books and videos. We have $1000 to spend. Is there anyone out there that has done this? I would appreciate any suggestions regarding sources, discounts or any thing you can offer. Mike >From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:21 EDT 1995 Article: 2345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.n et!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick!clyde.open.ac.uk!admi nmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa - detection NOT treatment Date: 24 Jul 1995 18:05:03 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3v0ncf$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Is there a sure-fire way to detect mites without resorting to stuff like Bayvarol or uncapping/examining brood? I know someone who keeps bees but is anti the above methods. Regular concerted treatment is being advised, but will probably not be accepted in this case. Treatment on detection may. Richard. ~~~~~~~~ >From R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:22 EDT 1995 Article: 2346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick !clyde.open.ac.uk!adminmbx From: Richard Yates Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping in exposed areas Date: 24 Jul 1995 18:18:38 GMT Organization: AdaptaFlapjack Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3v0o5u$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kestrel.open.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping?ALL I have stocks in National hives on the edge of some moorland. The site is quite high up, and during the winter months is likely to be rather damp/blowy/cold. Can anyone advise me - does anything need to be done to assist overwintering, i.e. extra packing over the crown board, "wrapping" of the hive or whatnot? The hives will probably remain on brood + 1/2. I have only kept bees in sunny Bedfordshire before (!). I will be tying down the hives, just in case! The area is pleasant in the summer (as far as that is possible in our climate) & has provided surplus this season. Richard. ~~~~~~~~ >From Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!apis.demon.c o.uk!Gordon From: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk (Gordon Scott) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa - detection NOT treatment Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 16:01:57 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <806947317snz@apis.demon.co.uk> References: <3v0ncf$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> Reply-To: Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: apis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 In article <3v0ncf$c8t@clyde.open.ac.uk> R.J.Yates@Open.ac.uk "Richard Yates" writes: > Is there a sure-fire way to detect mites without resorting to stuff like > Bayvarol or uncapping/examining brood? I know someone who keeps bees but is > anti the above methods. Regular concerted treatment is being advised, but wil l > probably not be accepted in this case. Treatment on detection may. I use a mesh screen false floor under the brood nest and over the old (reversed) wooden floor. Dying mites drop off of the bees and land on a paper insert under the screen where the bees can't throw them out with the rubbish. The natural mortality of mites is _much_ lower than with Bayvarol but does give a clue to the level of infestation. Be warned that natural mortality rates in the UK seem unusual at present. Early figures in Germany (I can't find the reference) suggested that a few tens of mites per day indicated imminent colony collapse. At present in the UK, mortality rates can be several *hundreds* per day without collapse. IBRA have a Varroa information pack -- ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Talc, icing sugar or lactic acid all give a *relatively* benign knockdown -- more info mailed direct. There are a couple of downsides to 'varroa floors'. The bees sometimes extend the bottom of the comb down to the mesh. Below the mesh can become a wax moth factory. Regards, -- Gordon Scott Gordon@apis.demon.co.uk 100332,3310 on CompuServe Newsletter Beekeeper@apis.demon.co.uk ditto Beekeeper, Kendo Sandan, sometime sailor. Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG22 5HP, UK >From paulp@ims.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:24 EDT 1995 Article: 2348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet! in2.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!ims.com!ims.com!paulp From: paulp@ims.com (Paul Petty) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Small Brood Area Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:22:22 Organization: IMS Customer Support Center Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: fortress.ims.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I've a hive where the queen is only filling about four frames with brood. The brood area is very tidy looking, it just isn't very big. This hive has plenty of stores for the winter, but I'm concerned about there being enough bees. Right now, when I smoke them down, they will fill the bottom box but not much more. I've been watching this hive for about a month since I first noticed this condition, and it seems to be fairly stable at four frames of brood (not declining). What is the minimum to winter a hive in the Pacific Northwest? >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:25 EDT 1995 Article: 2349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!hol onet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Opportunity Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 01:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <950726202313423@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 25 *FYI* From: Robert Rice Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:39:04 +1200 Subject: Beekeeping Opportunity BEEKEEPING BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY IN NEW ZEALAND A friend is wanting to sell his commercial honey production business which is based on the Nth Canterbury Plains near Christchurch, New Zealand. If this opportunity is of interest to you or anyone you might know please ask the to contact me directly. Robert Rice Apiculture Services Manager (Sth Island) Ministry of Agriculture P.O. Box 24, Lincoln, New Zealand. E-Mail ricer@lincoln.mqm.govt.nz --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ This tagline stolen by Off-Line Xpress! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Jul 31 16:35:26 EDT 1995 Article: 2350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathwork s.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!holonet !colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Guide to Pollen used by beesNEW POLLEN ATLAS JUST RELEASED Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:16:00 GMT Message-ID: <950727170745426@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 48 *NEW BOOK* From: Anguspd0@AOL.COM Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:26:48 -0400 Subject: Guide to Pollen used by bees NEW POLLEN ATLAS JUST RELEASED POLLEN OF THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES: WITH EMPHASIS ON MELISSOPALYNOLOGY AND ENTOMOPALYNOLOGY (released in July, 1994; $27.00) by G. Jones, V. Bryant, M. Lieux, S. Jones, & P. Lingren The hardback edition of this pollen atlas of Southeastern U.S. flora is finally available for sale. It contains nearly 100 pages of text and indices as well as over 100 full-page plates. In total there are nearly 1,000 individual SEM photographs of 400 different vouchered pollen taxa found in flora of the Southeastern United States. In addition to a text portion, and plates, the book contains five separate indices that make finding the picture of any pollen grain easy. All of the SEM photographs are indexed according to their plant family, according to the plant's genus, by aperturation type, by ornamentation classification, and by individual photograph number. It is a remarkable publication for the price! Although this pollen atlas would be useful for any type of pollen research, it is especially useful for those individuals working with pollen-feeding insects and bees. Almost all of the pollen taxa represented in this book come from confirmed identifications of pollen taxa known to be used by bees in the production of honey, or pollen used as food by other types of pollen-eating insects. Copies may be ordered by email, by letter, by FAX, or by telephone >from the American Association of Stratigraphic Palynologists. You may pay by VISA, Master Card, cash, or by check. If your order is accompanied by payment, AASP will send you the book free of additional postage and handling charges. If you want AASP to invoice you, postage and handling charges will be added . Send your orders to: Palynology Laboratory Telephone 409-845-5242 MS-4352 FAX 409-845-4070 Texas A&M University email (vbyrant@tamu.edu) College Station, Texas 77843-4352 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Bienenzuechter >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Mon Jul 31 16:35:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jacket control Date: 27 Jul 1995 12:31:12 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3v80ug$5uh@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <950721170122390@beenet.com> <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <3v5kpu$ d7p@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/3v5kpu$d7p@eccdb1.pms.ford.com hmccabe@rch129.eld.ford.com (H M McCabe (Harold)) wrote: >In article <3v0qr2$hbt@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, Steve Bambara writes: >> One thing to take note of is that these recommendations are not >> universal. Traps do not work in the Eastern US. In addition, just >> because a trap catches the target insect, does not mean that there is >> any "control" Insects may be attracted into an area, or the amount >> trapped (though it may seem significant to you) may be a fraction of the >> population. If you were bothered by 75 yellow jackets instead of 100, >> would you consider that a success? >> Stephen Bambara >> Raleigh, NC >> >> > >Why would the trap fail to work in the Eastern US? > Harold, That is a great question, for which we do not have the answer. I have tested several designs of yellow jacket traps over the years= (I'm not the only one) with poor results. Traps may catch 3-4 adults per week at best compared to reports of hundreds (I'd like to= see that!) claimed in the West. One suggestion is that we have a different race. Someone should do som e DNA comparisons. Perhaps humidity plays a part in volatili= ty of attractants? Who knows? The second point is comparable to the Japanese beetle trap situation. Sure you catch hundreds of the buggers, but are you really c= ontroling anything in your yard? Japanese beetle traps are most effective when you set your trap in your NEIGHBOR'S yard. :) Stephen Bambara Raleigh, NC > >From jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM Mon Jul 31 16:35:28 EDT 1995 Article: 2352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re Yellow jackets From: jim.metcalf@AGRANET.COM (Jim Metcalf) Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.iii.net!agranet!jim.me tcalf Distribution: world Message-ID: <45.858.23.0NFF975C@AGRANET.COM> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 19:37:00 -0400 Organization: AGRA-Net Systems Lines: 7 An Old beekeeper who use to get rid of all yellow jacket from fairs told me an easy way to eliminate all within one mile, Mix 1 tsp sevin with a tune can size portion of hamburg or cat food. Protect from animals and birds with a piece of hardware cloth. Since YJ are meat eaters all within 1 mile will vvisit and bring substance back to nest, All will be gone within 10 days. >From saunders@algol.cis.udel.edu Mon Jul 31 16:35:29 EDT 1995 Article: 2353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!goliath.montclair.edu!newsserver.jvnc .net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!algol.cis.udel.edu !saunders From: saunders@algol.cis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Guide to Pollen used by beesNEW POLLEN ATLAS JUST RELEASED Date: 28 Jul 1995 15:57:01 GMT Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3vb1cd$qpb@louie.udel.edu> References: <950727170745426@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: algol.cis.udel.edu In article <950727170745426@beenet.com>, Andy Nachbaur wrote: > ... > >POLLEN OF THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES: WITH EMPHASIS ON MELISSOPALYNOLOGY >AND ENTOMOPALYNOLOGY (released in July, 1994; $27.00) > by G. Jones, V. Bryant, M. Lieux, S. Jones, & P. Lingren > ... Sounds great! How well do you think this applies to flora in Delaware? I'm a novice beekeeper (hobbyist so far) and, more generally, am interested to know how to identify my bees' sources at various times of the season. B.(as in Bee) David Saunders >From wordset@londonci.demon.co.uk Mon Jul 31 16:35:32 EDT 1995 Article: 2354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.de mon.net!demon!londonci.demon.co.uk!wordset From: Wordset Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: London City Farm on the Net Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 15:28:55 GMT Organization: London Calling Internet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <807118135snz@londonci.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: wordset@londonci.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: londonci.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Surrey Docks Farm in south east London (UK) now has a Web site within London Calling. The city farm, catering for school visits and training, has honey-producing hives which visitors can observe. The people at the farm would love to hear from anyone with associated interests. 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Jackson St. fax 703-522-5846 Arlington, VA 22201 inquire@qcnet.com USA >From hase@wettzell.ifag.de Mon Jul 31 22:16:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!rz.uni-ka rlsruhe.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-regensburg.de!news From: Hayo Hase Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What to do by 'Melizitose' ? R&D program wanted... Date: 31 Jul 1995 07:52:09 GMT Organization: Institut fuer Angewandte Geodaesie Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3vi239$erk@rrzs3.uni-regensburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: tigoa.wettzell.ifag.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; Linux 1.1.72 i486) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Hi beekeeper and honeyresearchers! This is an emergency call. In the Bavarian Forest (Germany, between Danube and Chechia) the honey suffers 'Melizitose' (or similar it is called). So far as I understood, there are louses of the leaves behind. They suck the juice from the trees, which makes somehow a change to the nectar. The collecting bees make honey out of it, but it cristallize in the weaves. Centrifugating has no effect. The honey stays inside the weaves. Beekeepers in this region could harvest ca. 40kg per beehieve, but they bring only ca. 3 kg out. Even the bees aren't able to consume that honey during winter time. Does anybody a solution for the problem to get the honey? Isn't that of interest for natural science? I am thinking to physic/chemical solution: The chemistry of honey with Melizitose should have a typical molecular structure. Each molecule has a resonance frequency. If we stimulate the honey with those resonance frequencies, the honey should become liquid and get out of the weaves. (Principle according to water molecule in the microwave.) [I'm not good in chemistry, biology.] Did somebody make some investigation in this? The problem with Melizitose increased during the past years. Any invention in this direction will save beekeeping in the South of Germany. Thanks for comments and replies - prefered by email. Hayo -- ***************************************************************************** * Hayo Hase Tel: 09941-603-0 * * Institut fuer Angewandte Geodaesie Tel: 09941-603-104 * * Fundamentalstation Wettzell Fax: 09941-603-222 * * D-94333 Koetzting Net: hase@wettzell.ifag.de * ***************************************************************************** >From Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM Mon Aug 14 13:47:32 EDT 1995 Article: 2426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.emf.net!overload.lbl.gov!agate!ho wland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!in1.uu.net!ncr gw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: Kevin Ormerod Subject: Re: Beekeeping and Municipal Bylaws Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: Kevin.Ormerod@ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (KEVIN) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division] References: <400192$djm@sanjuan.amtsgi.bc.ca> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 1995 19:00:53 GMT Lines: 72 Peter, As a backyard beekeeper, myself, I was concerned about being a good neighbor. I obtained a copy of "Texas Model Ordinance For Urban Beekeeping" >from Brushy Mountain Bee Farm (1-800-233-7929). The copy was only $1.50 and it outlined the basis for a town ordanance that I think most could live with. Kevin O. PS. From my own experience. Originally my wife said "No way. No bees in my backyard". Well after about a year now she has completely changed her mind. I have two hives about 30' from the back of my house. Surrounding these two hives I placed some lattice about 5 feet high. As a previous responder mentioned -- once the bees depart the hive they fly high. Usually they fly above treetop level. A lattice or shrub wall can be used to get the bees above head level. Once the bees are above head level you don't have to worry. And also, like a previous poster mentioned, my wife was confusing the aggressive yellow jacket with honey bees. If the bees are after food, especially meat, chances are they are yellow jackets. ==========Peter Wainwright, 8/5/95========== Hello, I saw this newsgroup on the net and am hoping you can be of assistance. I'm a Councillor for the Town of Sidney, British Columbia, Canada. We are a small city with a population of about 11,000 and an area of about 2 square miles located on the coast of Vancouver Island near Victoria. There have been several complaints from the neighbors of one particular beekeeper in town who is on a single family lot on in a relatively dense part of town and just across the road from a school. My understanding is that the individual involved does not exercise "good practice" with his beekeeping. Municipal staff looked into the complaints and recommended to Council that we consider banning beekeeping within the town. Banning beekeeping would certainly solve the problem, but is unfair to those who are "good" beekeepers and not causing their neighbors any trouble. It does seem reasonable that adopt some kind of bylaw to protect our residents from this kind of nuissance. At the same time, it would be nice if the bylaw was fair to those not causing any problems. Lastly, to be of any practical value, the bylaw would have to be enforcable, i.e., it has to be reasonably straightforward and not unreasonably expensive to take action about a problem. I am hoping that some of you out there know some examples of "good" bylaws that meet these criteria. Ideally, I'd like to hear about other jurisdictions in British Columbia, but I'm open to any and all ideas. Please write to me at UQR=&8P7&%N#(V.#!<='@T,#(P7'1X-3,V,%QT>#8W,C!< M='@X,#8P7'1X.30P,%QT>#$P-S0P7'1X,3(P.#!<='@Q,S0T,%QF,%QB,%QI M,%QU;&YO;F5<9G,R.%QF8S%<8V8Q(%P*"4%T=&5N=&EO;B!!<&EA&%N="`U,"!F'1R86-T;W(L M(%P*,2`@("`@("`@("`@-34@9V%L+B!S=6UP('1A;FLL7`HQ("`@("`@("`@ M("`Q(#$O-"(@:&]N97D@<'5M<"!W+R!P:7!E+"!<"C$@("`@("`@("`@(#<@ M9')U;2!H;VYE>2!T86YK('2!B;W1T;&EN9R!H96%T97(@7`HQ("`@("`@ M("`@("`S,#`@;&(N(&)O='1L:6YG('1A;FLL(%P*,2`@("`@("`@("`@9')U M;2!H86YD('1R=6-K+"!P;'5S(&UI&5S+"!T;W!S+"!B;W1T;VUS+"!E=&,N7`H*7'!A#,T-39<='@T-C`X7'1X-3#8Y,3)<='@X,#8T7'1X.3(Q-EQT M>#$P,S8X7'1X,3$U,C!<9F,Q7&-F,2!<"@E)(&%M(&%S:VEN9R`D,3$L,#`P M(&]R(&)E2!S;VXGFrom akerson@clark.net Mon Aug 14 13:47:48 EDT 1995 Article: 2434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!not -for-mail From: akerson@clark.net (Pete Akerson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HoneyBeer Product Review Date: 10 Aug 1995 10:51:52 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <40coc8$46m@clarknet.clark.net> References: <1098163894@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950726BETA PL0] Hi ... over in rec.crafts.brewing there are dozens of recipies... Basically, make your wort by whatever method you choose - extract cans, all grain mash, etc. Just add a pound or two of honey towards the end of the boil. Libby Goldstein (libby@igc.apc.org) wrote: : Hey Andy, : : How goes it? Can you get us a recipe for making our own? : : Libby -- I've got a powerful system of laser beams in one eyeball thats coloured green. -P >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Aug 14 13:47:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!v taix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: B-Mail-8/95 Date: 10 Aug 1995 13:33:16 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 186 Message-ID: <40d1qs$gui@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf ===================================================== B-MAIL A monthly newsletter on issues and events in the bee world, provided by IBRA, the world information service for bee science and beekeeping. >From Dr Pamela Munn, Editor Bee World **August/1995** ===================================================== ********************* Magic bullets ********************* I came across an interesting paper this month amongst a pile of scanning that materialized on my desk, which prompted me to find out more. It appears that bees are proving to be effective carriers of biocontrol agents. Studies are being carried out to discover how honey bees can be used to spread beneficial bacteria and viruses to crops and orchards, where they come into contact with pest organisms. The pests are not entirely killed off, but reduced to such a level that is not economically damaging. The standard method of controlling pests is of course spraying, resulting in large quantities of pesticides being spread into the environment. Bees are able to target the crops very specifically avoiding this problem. Examples of this type of bio control include fire blight, a serious pest of orchard fruits such as apple and pear. It is caused by Erwinia amylovora. Johnson et al*. have been testing the ability of honey bees to disperse the bacteria Pseudomonas fluorescens, which is antagonistic to E. amylovora, to apple and pear blossoms. They attached pollen inserts to each hive, forcing the bees to walk through a freeze-dried preparation of the bacteria as they left the hive. Another group* working on fire blight control used P. fluorescens and E. herbicola in their study. They found that 92% of the apple flowers in a 2.6-ha orchard were inoculated with E. herbicola. Both studies concluded that honey bees are efficient vectors of fire blight pathogens. Peng et al*. have looked at controlling the strawberry pest, Botrytis cinerea. They have developed a dispenser to fit in the hive, which contaminates bees with either corn meal or a mixture of corn meal and talc, inoculated with Gliocladium roseum. They found that the amount of G. roseum on flowers treated using honey bees was higher and more stable than sprayed plants, and effectively suppressed B. cinerea on both flowers and fruit. More recently, workers in Georgia, USA*, have reported work on using honey bees to spread the Heliothis nuclear polyhedrosis virus (HNPV) into fields of clover to control Lepidopteran larvae, such as Helicoverpa zea and Heliothis virescens. Bees are already being used commercially to pollinate crops and it seems a logical step forward if they can also be used to control pests. So far, work has concentrated on honey bees, but many economically valuable crops are grown in greenhouses, where honey bees are not useful, or are more effectively pollinated by other bees, such as bumble bees. It would be an interesting development if these bees proved as effective biocontrol vectors. Work is still in the early stages of development, and the extent to which it proves useful will depend greatly on an improved understanding of the interrelationships between the bees and the plants they forage on, and their target pests. Further reading: 1. GROSS, H; HAMM, J J; CARPENTER, J E (1994) Design and applicaiton of a hive mounted device that uses honey bees (Hym: Apidea) to disseminate Heliothis nuclear polyhedrosis viruses. Environmental Entomology 23(2): 492-501. 2. JOHNSON, K B; STOCKWELL, V O; BURGETT, D M; SUGAR, D; LOPER, J E (1993) dispersal of erwinia amylovora and pseudomonas fluorescens by honey bees from hives to apple and pear blossoms. Phytopathology 83(50: 478-484. 3. PENG, G; SUTTON, J C; KEVAN, P G (1992) Effectiveness of honey bees for applying the biocontrol agent Gliocladium roseum to strawberry flowers to suppress Botrytis cinerea. Canadian Journal of Plant Pathology 14(2): 117-129. 4. THOMSON, S V; HANSEN, D R; FLINT, K M; VANDENBERG, J D (1992) Dissemination of bacteria antagonistic to Erwinia amylovora by honey bees. Plant Disease 76(10): 1052-1056. ********************** Meetings coming up ********************** Black Bee Symposium 1995 8-10 September 1995, in Norway This conference will focus on conserving the European black bee. Registration details are available from the organizers: Flekkefjord Landsbrukskontoret Kirkegata 52 N-4400 Flekkefjord Norway Fax: (+47) 38 32 44 56 ////////////////////////////// American Association of Stratigraphic Palynologists 28th Annual meeting 10-14 October 1995, Ottawa, Canada Details are available from: SA Jarzen AASP 28 Canadian Museum of Nature PO Box 3443, Station D Ottawa K1P 6P4 Canada E.mail: sjarzen@mus-nature.ca ////////////////////////// International Conference on bee products: properties, applications and apitherapy 26-30 March 1996, Tel Aviv, Israel Contact: Dan Knassim Ltd PO Box 57005 Tel Aviv 61570 Israel Fax: 972 3 6133341 //////////////////// 7th International Symposium on Pollination: from theory to practice 23-28 June 1996, Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada The International Commission for Plant-Bee Relationships is holding its 7th international symposium at the University of Lethbridge. The second circular will be available in October from: Ken Richards Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada Lethbridge Research Centre Lethbridge Alberta T1J 4B1 Canada E.mail: richards@abrsle.agr.ca //////////////////////////// Look out in the next B.mail for more information on IBRA's 6th International Conference on Tropical Bees; management and diversity. //////////////////////////// *************************** Bee Scientists honoured *************************** The achievements of two well known bee scientists have been recognized in the honour lists of their respective countries. Professor John Free, UK, was honoured in the Queen's Birthday Honours List with the award of Commander of St Michael and St George for services to beekeeping worldwide. Professor Free has a long and distinguished career in both pure and applied research on honey bees. Dr Peter Molan of the University of Waikato, New Zealand, has been awarded an MBE in that country's June honour's list for services to the honey industry. For many years he has worked on the antibiotic properties of honey and wrote an extensive review on this subject for Bee World in 1992. (Available as a reprint from IBRA, price #4.00 plus postage and packing). Return address: E.mail: ibra@cardiff.ac.uk Fax: (+44) 1222-665522 Telephone: (+44) 1222-372409 Snailmail: 18 North Road, Cardiff CF1 3DY, UK -- ________________________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Adaptive significance-- what's that? >From m12345@cybernet.co.nz Mon Aug 14 13:47:51 EDT 1995 Article: 2436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net !wupost!waikato!auckland.ac.nz!infinity.cybernet.co.nz!usenet From: m12345@cybernet.co.nz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I have a Bee problem Date: 10 Aug 1995 01:09:12 GMT Organization: CyberNet Ltd, Auckland Lines: 7 Message-ID: <40bm7o$ckj@infinity.cybernet.co.nz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mhorsnell.cybernet.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) please call a beekeeper in your local area and get him to come & take them away. they don't deserve to die & he will be able to give them a good home. alternatively, here in nz, the ministry of agriculture will even come & take them away for u. see if u have a similar public service in your area. >From pbarney@hypnos.norden1.com Mon Aug 14 13:47:54 EDT 1995 Article: 2437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetm ci.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.alt.net!pbarney From: pbarney@hypnos.norden1.com (Peter Barney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: [Q] Is there a FAQ? Date: 10 Aug 1995 07:15:54 GMT Organization: Norden 1 Communications Lines: 15 Message-ID: <40cbna$fih@tofu.alt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: norden1.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hello, everyone. I'm posting this message on behalf of my girlfriend, who wishes to know of good sources for learning how to keep bees for the purpose of harvesting honey (is there another reason?). So, is there a faq for this group? If not, could you recommend reading materials or organizations that could point me in the right direction? Thanks in advance! PS, please email your replies. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Peter Barney | pbarney@norden1.com | Voice (419) 478-9845 | Do or do not ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Aug 14 13:47:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!new serve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HoneyBeer Product Review Date: Thu, 10 Aug 95 08:39:58 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 24 Message-ID: <173F679E3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <1098163894@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article Libby Goldstein writes: > >How goes it? Can you get us a recipe for making our own? > >Libby There is a good recipe for honey beer in ABJ within the past two or three months. There is also a good recipe in Papazian's _New_Complete_Joy_of_Homebrewing_. Both recipes use only a small amount of honey in the brew. Off the top of my head, Papazians recipe for 5 gallons of brew contains 3 1/2 pounds light dried malt extract, 1 1/2 oz Cascade boiling hops, 1/2 oz Cascade finishing hops, and only 2 lbs of honey (I usually use closer to a full quart (3 lbs)). Lager yeast is recommended. Final product is crisp and refreshing, although the taste of honey is not very evident. It was a hit at my beekeepers' association summer picnic where a representative of the Nat. Honey Board pointed out that even though there is only a small amount of honey in the product, if there are tens or hundreds of thousands of these products produced, the small amount of honey in each product adds up to A LOT of honey. So, relax, don't worry, and enjoy a honeybrew! Aaron Morris - Thinking it's too early in the AM to be thinking about beer! >From wfs2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU Mon Aug 14 13:47:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!poe.acc.Virgi nia.EDU!wfs2z From: wfs2z@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (William F. Shaw) Subject: Re: Honey and Bee History query X-Nntp-Posting-Host: poe.acc.virginia.edu Message-ID: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: uva References: <950804205858469@beenet.com> Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 20:59:10 GMT Lines: 31 andy.nachbaur@beenet.com writes: > ... > senses and were easily defeated by the Heptakometes. The source of this > toxic honey in the Middle East is probably Rhondodendron ponticum, although > R. luteum could also be a source. A good reference to the toxic honey of > ... > from the 1940's and 1960's. The most recent report is the one we found > here in Virginia. A beekeeper became violently ill after comsuming some > honey from his hives and ended up spending 6 days in the local hospital. > ... subsequently analyzed the honey. We found two grayanotoxins (primarily > nerve toxins that lead to a prolonged depolarization of the nerve) in the > honey in sufficient levels to cause very serious medical problems. Based > on the time of year, the area in which the honey was made, and the toxins, > we believe the source was Kalmia latifolia (Mountain laurel). This type of > toxic honey is not common but seems to be reported once about every 20 or > 30 years... Swell. I just brought in my first good honey harvest ever after years of keeping 1-2 hives, and now I wonder if I'll be poisoning my kids. How do I tell if I should supply only my friends or only my enemies? OK, I'll bite: How do I convince my bees to not gather from the mountain laurel around my place? Is K. latifolia (and Rhododendron, for that matter) at all toxic to the bees? Do beekeepers need to worry if there's much or any mountain laurel around? Any practical way to test for the toxin? I don't recall honeybees paying much attention to our profusely blooming mountain laurel...Do they have sense enough not to gather its nectar and pollen? Is the pollen toxic? >From pollinator@aol.com Mon Aug 14 13:47:59 EDT 1995 Article: 2440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ne wstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: [Q] Is there a FAQ? Date: 10 Aug 1995 12:17:44 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 41 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <40dbf8$11g@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <40cbna$fih@tofu.alt.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader >Subject: [Q] Is there a FAQ? >From: pbarney@hypnos.norden1.com (Peter Barney) >Date: 10 Aug 1995 07:15:54 GMT > >Hello, everyone. I'm posting this message on behalf of my >girlfriend, who >wishes to know of good sources for learning how to keep bees for the >purpose >of harvesting honey (is there another reason?). I keep honeybees as a commercial beekeeper (almost) exclusively for crop pollination service. The farmers must have bees, so they pay me for the service of supplying them to their crops while blooming. "If your melon is sweet, the farmer got bees from me; if it isn't sweet, he didn't." >So, is there a faq for this group? If not, could you recommend reading materials or organizations that could point me in the right direction? I highly recommend a subscription to Bee Culture for beginners. It is jammed with all kinds of info, as well as ads for bee equipment, queens, bees, etc. You can get info from If you are in the USA (always a good idea on a beekeeping post to let folks know where you are) you should check with your county extension agent, who should have some materials, and more important, will point you to local clubs, which exist in most places. Any decent sized library should have some basic beekeeping books, though they will likely not have anything on current situations such as varroa mites, which you MUST control, or you won't be keeping bees long . There are several FAQ's around, one can be gotten from Adam Finkelstein I think he keeps the most up-to-date one. If you have pollination questions, you can e-mail me. That is my livelihood, so I should know a little. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Mon Aug 14 13:48:00 EDT 1995 Article: 2441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathwork s.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I WANT BEES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Fri, 11 Aug 95 07:53:40 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <173F76F07S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <40bf8e$1kc@news.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <40bf8e$1kc@news.voicenet.com> blowry@omni.voicenet.com writes: > >The best time to start a hive is early June (in the northern hemisphere). > JUNE?!? You've missed 6 week of build up time! In upstate New York I request package delivery around tax date (April 15), which is also about the time I start splits. Waiting 'till June guarantees there will be no honey harvested until the following year. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! >From bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Mon Aug 14 13:48:02 EDT 1995 Article: 2442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ga tech!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net !line126.nwm.mindlink.net!user From: bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: I have a Bee problem Date: 11 Aug 1995 04:30:51 GMT Organization: none Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: line126.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ First of all, do you know honey bees, and are you sure these are bees and not yellow jackets or wasps of some type. Wasps and yellow jackets will destroy your gyproc walls, so suggest you get rid of them pronto. Short of tearing off the house siding and getting the nest out that way, which is a sure way to get stung too, there is no real solution other than insecticide or some thing else that will kill them. You might try standing at the door with your vacuum hose held up to the spot where they are going in, and just suck them up. It might take a couple of hours, and cost a bit of electricty. Trouble is you won't likely get the queen, or the workers which will just keep right on producing. Queen honey bees can lay up to 2000 eggs per day, so you know what your fighting. Wasps aren't so productive, but they can have quite large populations by this time of year. So, if you want to keep it short, no insecticides means a vacuum cleaner, then a disposal problem. Most of the insects will die on the way to the bag, but be careful how you approach it. Raid, or a wasp bomb is the next best, maybe the best anyway. So, since you live in Toronto, hello, Hamilton is my home town, but I am now in Vancouver area. I have a sister in the newmarket area, and they are on the net but haven'g figured out how to connect to me. Wondered if you could look up their name for me and see if you can find their address. Brother in law's name is Rick Strongitharm. -- honey is sweeter than wine >From bcollier@i-link.net Mon Aug 14 13:48:03 EDT 1995 Article: 2443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!bird3.i -link.net!usenet From: Bill Collier Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble Bee's - HELP ! Date: 12 Aug 1995 17:31:31 GMT Organization: ILink Ltd Lines: 25 Message-ID: <40iohj$kq2@bird3.i-link.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: austin-1-5.i-link.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I have a number of bumble bees that have set up residence in the attic of a wooden storage building behind my house. I know this is a news group for bee keeping, but I need advice on how to find a new location for the bees or any suggestions on where to go for help. The ceiling of the building is a thin plastic sheet under bats of insulation. I can not see the bees for the insulation, but even a small vibration of the floor will start a loud buzzing over head. I am afraid they will find one of the small holes in the plastic while we are in the building and cut off our path to the door. After disturbing "their" home, we have seen as many as a dozen bumble bees swarming around the rafters out side of the building. No one wants to get stung. If I had not had heart surgery and did not use medication to regulate my heart beat, I would not be as worried about the bees. ANY SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHAT TO DO OR WHO TO CONTACT WOULD BE APPRECIATED ! Thanks in advance, Bill Collier >From Greeneg@pixi.com Mon Aug 14 13:48:05 EDT 1995 Article: 2444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.zeitgeist.net!news.pixi.com!usenet From: Gordon Greene Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Date: 13 Aug 1995 06:59:06 GMT Organization: Pacific Information eXchange, Inc. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <40k7rq$nic@rigel.pixi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: godzilla22.pixi.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping There is a bee farm in South Carolina that imports a well-shaped glass jar from England for their honey. I would like to contact the bee farm but so far only know its name: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, most likely located in South Carolina. Any help in locating them would be appreciated. Free jar of Zen Monastery Guava Jelly to the first assistance rendered. >From trhan@cac.washington.edu Mon Aug 14 13:48:06 EDT 1995 Article: 2445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!hookup!ne ws.uoregon.edu!news.u.washington.edu!shiva2.cac.washington.edu!trhan From: Teri Rhan {FMO} Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 02:10:18 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <40k7rq$nic@rigel.pixi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: shiva2.cac.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <40k7rq$nic@rigel.pixi.com> Brushy Mountain 1-800-233-7929 fax 1-910-921-2681 610 Bethany Church Rd. Moravian Falls, NC 28654 So do I win the Guava Jelly?:-) Teri On 13 Aug 1995, Gordon Greene wrote: > There is a bee farm in South Carolina that imports a well-shaped > glass jar from England for their honey. I would like to contact the bee > farm but so far only know its name: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, most > likely located in South Carolina. Any help in locating them would be > appreciated. Free jar of Zen Monastery Guava Jelly to the first > assistance rendered. > > > > >From ccoplan@infi.net Mon Aug 14 13:48:08 EDT 1995 Article: 2446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com! uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ne ws.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!h-cornsilk.richmond.infi.net!user From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More news from Richmond VA Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:01:14 -0400 Organization: ccoplan@infi.net Lines: 19 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h-cornsilk.richmond.infi.net Well, I just put my first super on today (for cut comb honey for me) - and was looking to see if I made a mistake or not - (I'm in Richmond VA, just 2 hrs south of Washington DC) I started the hive @ the beginning of June, and as of today, they have filled 2 large hive bodies with brood, pollen, and honey. I can't feed them without putting on my bee suit (they are too busy and or I'm still a wimp), and they have slowed down on the drinking (I'm guessing because their space is full.) I don't plan on feeding them anymore, now that I have the super on top. I guess my question is - am I wasting my time? and will a small patch of buckwheat and other nectar crops (apx 100ft * 200ft) help (or should I put that space to better use - i.e. food crops). Sorry for rambling - any suggestions appreciated. Chris Coplan ccoplan@infi.net >From 70740.1220@CompuServe.COM Mon Aug 14 13:48:10 EDT 1995 Article: 2447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compus erve.com!news From: Charlie Fletcher <70740.1220@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen excluders and timin Date: 13 Aug 1995 19:25:41 GMT Organization: NextStep Publications Lines: 22 Message-ID: <40ljjl$7hs$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> Hi Y'all, I'm new to this forum and also a novice apiarist. I don't know any other beekee pers in my area, and I've got lots of questions. I'll try not to overload every body. Firstly: Are queen excluders problematic? I had a friend over for dinner last night who told me that most workers have trouble getting through the grating. This mornin g, I opened up the hive, and sure enough, there were very few bees in the two s upers I have on top of two brood chambers. I could see bees struggling to get through the grating, and, in fact, after two weeks, the bees had not pulled any of the super combs. Rather, they appeared t o be canibalizing the super comb, presumably to use in the brood chambers. The brood chambers were _full_ of bees and honey. Just jam packed. Of course, take that from one who has never looked in a bee hive before. I'm wondering if my timing has been completely off, or not. I've gotten into al l this a bit late. The storms this spring prevented my bee supplier (Blue Ridge Apiaries) from getting my bees to me until mid-May. I bought ARS-C-Y-1 bees, s ince there are a lot of mites here in Kentucky. How does this sound? Bees into hive in mid-May. Second brood chamber early-July . Two shallow supers beginning of August. Since there wasn't a drop of honey in the supers, I decided to experiment and t ook the queen excluder out. Was that wise, or should I put it back? Am I expect ing surplus honey too late in the season? Thanks for your help. Now that I've found you all, I'll hang around and contrib ute. Regards, Charlie -- Charlie >From hareb@spot.Colorado.EDU Mon Aug 14 13:48:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom- beacon.mit.edu!boulder!spot.Colorado.EDU!hareb From: hareb@spot.Colorado.EDU (Mehdi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: which honey type most exp. in US? Date: 14 Aug 95 04:50:19 GMT Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Lines: 4 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu Keywords: honey X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #8 (NOV) I have a question - hope you have an answer: Which type of honey is the most expensive here in the US? Mahdiyy >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Mon Aug 14 13:48:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: July Honey Markets Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <950812174316517@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 44 ---------------------------------------- July Honey Market's Gleaned from several reports: ______________________ (//////////////////////) As more new crop honey is marketed 1995 (//////////////////////) Honey prices hold firm. The market was /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ again topped by white clover honey | Wild Flower! | imported from Argentina landed on the | | East Coast for 71 cents. White clover | _ _ \ / | from Canadian producers was quoted at | | |_| | __ _ \/ | 51 - 66 cents delivered. | | |-| |: :|\ |:_ :: | | |_| |_|:__:| \|:_ || | US NEW Crop Honey was in good demand and | | ranged in price paid producer's for new | Product of LOVE 16oz | crop all sources between 52 and 63 cents. |________________________| The lowest price reported was for Chinese Tallow, normally a darker high moisture honey that is used in the industrial trade. Louisiana Tallow honey was quoted at 47 cents. I suspect this was a aberration as my friend's in Texas who produce much Tallow honey normally get a higher price and Texas extra light amber Brush and light amber Horsemint honey sales are reported at 60 cents. Total crop estimates have not been made yet, but the crop looks good in places and I would not be surprised to see a crop equal or below last years. As always's weather condition's have been good for some and bad for other's, with some northern states having little or no yellow sweet clover bloom this year and are relying on alfalfa bloom, sun flowers, and other plants. Some word's to explain it all; 26:4 Then I will give you rain in due season, and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. 26:5 And your threshing shall reach unto the vintage, and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time: and ye shall eat your bread to the full, and dwell in your land safely. ttul Andy- --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Honey Lovers Stick Together >From 70740.1220@CompuServe.COM Mon Aug 14 13:48:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom- beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.com puserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Charlie Fletcher <70740.1220@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Date: 13 Aug 1995 18:49:36 GMT Organization: NextStep Publications Lines: 11 Message-ID: <40lhg0$m5q$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> References: Hi Teri, Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, Inc., 610 Bethany Church Rd., Moravian Falls, NC 2865 4, 1-800-233-7929, fax 1-910-921-2681. Regards, Charlie Fletcher Greensburg, Ky. -- Charlie >From littlejb@emi.net Mon Aug 14 13:48:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!athens!news From: littlejb@emi.net (Jay B. Little) Subject: Re: Queen excluders and timin X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Sender: news@emi.net (Mr News) Organization: The EmiNet Domain, FL (407)731-0291 Message-ID: References: <40ljjl$7hs$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: ttycg.emi.net Date: Sun, 13 Aug 1995 21:49:36 GMT Lines: 31 Charlie Fletcher <70740.1220@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Hi Y'all, >I'm new to this forum and also a novice apiarist. I don't know any other beeke epers in my area, and I've got lots of questions. I'll try not to overload ever ybody. Firstly: >Are queen excluders problematic? I had a friend over for dinner last night who told me that most workers have trouble getting through the grating. This morni ng, I opened up the hive, and sure enough, there were very few bees in the two supers I have on top of two brood chambers. >I could see bees struggling to get through the grating, and, in fact, after tw o weeks, the bees had not pulled any of the super combs. Rather, they appeared to be canibalizing the super comb, presumably to use in the brood chambers. The brood chambers were _full_ of bees and honey. Just jam packed. Of course, take that from one who has never looked in a bee hive before. >I'm wondering if my timing has been completely off, or not. I've gotten into a ll this a bit late. The storms this spring prevented my bee supplier (Blue Ridg e Apiaries) from getting my bees to me until mid-May. I bought ARS-C-Y-1 bees, since there are a lot of mites here in Kentucky. >How does this sound? Bees into hive in mid-May. Second brood chamber early-Jul y. Two shallow supers beginning of August. >Since there wasn't a drop of honey in the supers, I decided to experiment and took the queen excluder out. Was that wise, or should I put it back? Am I expec ting surplus honey too late in the season? >Thanks for your help. Now that I've found you all, I'll hang around and contri bute. >Regards, >Charlie >-- >Charlie Where do you live? Here in South Fla. there is still alot of flowers blooming and we will be getting into Fla. Holly (braziilian pepper in about a month. Jay >From djt@dolphin.upenn.edu Mon Aug 14 13:48:20 EDT 1995 Article: 2452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!newsfee d.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!dolphin.upenn.edu!djt From: djt@dolphin.upenn.edu (David J Trickett) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Brushy Mountain Bee Farm Date: 14 Aug 1995 12:43:46 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 16 Message-ID: <40nge2$dff@netnews.upenn.edu> References: <40k7rq$nic@rigel.pixi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dolphin.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.3] Gordon Greene (Greeneg@pixi.com) wrote: : There is a bee farm in South Carolina that imports a well-shaped : glass jar from England for their honey. I would like to contact the bee : farm but so far only know its name: Brushy Mountain Bee Farm, most : likely located in South Carolina. Any help in locating them would be : appreciated. Free jar of Zen Monastery Guava Jelly to the first : assistance rendered. Call them at 800/233-7929 BTW, i've been using these jars (the hexagons, right?) for years - they sell well. Dave >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 1 01:19:42 EDT 1995 Article: 2547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!h olonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help with wasp removal Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 14:51:00 GMT Message-ID: <950826151250604@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <41n6op$mcg@nntp.igs.net> Lines: 142 S>From: steve@igs.net (Steve Holtzkener) >Subject: Help with wasp removal S>At the Beekeeping Home Page I saw a reference to an article in the hint.index >referenced yellow.jacket How to get rid of them! Adrian Wenner 8/94. I >tried to get the article, but the mailer didn't respond. ********* YELLOW JACKET CONTROL Yellow jackets (Vespula spp. - colonial wasps), can pose a severe problem for people when these wasps aggressively seek food. (Remember, though, yellow jackets do pollinate plants, such as squash, and dispose of waste matter and thus are not all bad.) Early in the season meat is preferred; later they focus more on sweets. Normally, they are an annual species, with colonies started in the spring of each year by a single mated and overwintered queen. As the season progresses, nest sizes grow and can contain thousands of individuals by late summer or fall. In mild climates colonies can even overwinter. Effective control measures vary according to the circumstances. 1) At eating areas In a backyard, wasps can be kept under control by diligent use of traps (next section). Public picnic areas, however, have wasps already locked into the readily available food supply (messy previous picnickers). Bring along a fly swatter and eliminate the early arrivals - other wasps are then not recruited. Fortunately, individuals of many yellow jacket species are not aggressive when not near their nest. Wasps do not hesitate to go into soft drink cans or bottles, posing a problem for anyone not paying sufficient attention to their activities before taking another swallow. Neither do they hesitate to ride along on a meat sandwich as it is put into one's mouth. Watch out, also, for wasps attracted to meat covered hands, fingers, or utensils. If one places an effective trap (next section) 20-30 feet upwind from the picnic table, the foraging wasps, when shooed away by picnickers, continue to go upwind past the picnic table and end up in the trap . 2) Remote treatment Yellow jacket bait traps have been used more than a century, with one basic characteristic in design: Wasps will fly into a funnel (sometimes quite small) to get at the bait provided and then cannot get out of the transparent or translucent enclosure that incorporates the funnel. One can buy any variety of ready-made traps with a wide range of effectiveness. The following two companies (among others) have produced successful traps: Seabright Laboratories, 4026 Harlan Street, Emeryville, CA 94608, (800) 284-7363 or (415) 655-3126; Sterling International, Inc., P.O. Box 220, Liberty Lake, WA 99019, (800) 666-6766 [FAX: (509) 928-7313]. These commercial traps can become clogged with yellow jackets in a relatively short time during severe infestations, and then one must remove them. The problem then arises that live wasps may still be inside and pose a threat. In that case, one can place the trap in a freezer or an ice chest, wait until the cold immobilizes them, and then empty the trap. Alternatively, the trap can be placed in a paper or plastic bag just large enough to contain it. One can then spray a very small amount of electronic parts cleaner (e.g., Electric Parts Cleaner, CRC, Warminster, PA 18974; (215) 674-4300; Electric Motor Cleaner, Berryman, Arlington, TX 76011), one that contains 1-1-1 Trichloroethane, into the bag and close tightly for a few minutes. One can also construct a simple and safe trap at virtually no cost - an example follows. Start with a one gallon translucent milk bottle. With a razor blade, cut a couple of small slits downward from one point (three quarter inch across at the bottom), a little more than halfway up the sides. Bend the point so formed inward. Fashion part of a wire coat hanger into a hook at the bottom and thread it through a small hole punctured into the cap so that the hook will be down about halfway to the bottom of the bottle when inserted. Bend the top of the coat hanger piece so that it can be suspended from the lid. Fill the bottle about one-third full of soapy water. Then pierce a small piece of turkey ham, salami, or ham (small enough to go through the bottle opening) with the hook and put the lid, hook, and meat in place in the bottle's neck. Hang the bottle in a tree or bush upwind from the area where wasps are not wanted. You might also dig a hole and place the bottle in the ground so the dowiwind opening is at ground level (wasps often search along the ground for food). If no gallon bottles are available, a one-liter transparent soft drink bottle should suffice. 3) Nest location known (perhaps with more than one entrance) If one knows the location of a ground nesting colony (e.g., Vespula pennsylvanica), the entire colony can be exterminated quite easily by using nothing more than soapy water. Take care, though, because these wasps are highly defensive of their nest, usually allowing one to get no closer than about 10 feet before attacking. Some people prefer to treat the colony at dawn or late evening, when activity at the entrance is less than in mid-day. Fill an adjustable nozzle spray bottle with water, add one level tablespoon of liquid detergent, and shake. Set the spray nozzle on stream, approach >from downwind (also from downslope or protected by bushes, if possible), and spray wasps (guards as well as departing and returning individuals) at the nest entrance as fast as possible from a distance of 10-15 feet (practice at a target first to improve aim). Wear full protection, including a beekeeper hat and veil, if possible. Once all activity at the entrance has ceased, pour a bucket of soapy water into the ground through one of the entrances and block all entrances with a shovelful or two of dirt. 4) A take home poison When wasp infestations become severe, you may wish to use stronger measures. To reduce their numbers, one can lace a desired food with poison after yellow jackets become committed to that source of food. With this method, timing and procedure are somewhat critical. Expose marauding wasps to canned cat food, such as a shrimp and tuna mixture. Allow the number of foragers to build up into a "feeding frenzy." Then provide a second dish alongside the first, but one laced with a take home poison. Orthene (20 drops per small can of cat food) or KNOX OUT (trade name for a micro-encapsulated diazinon product; one-half teaspoon per can). Don't attempt to use straight diazinon, or the laced food will be rejected). Adrian M. Wenner Prof. Emeritus (Natural History) Univ. of Calif., Santa Barbara Santa Barbara, CA 93106 wenner@lifesci.ucsb.edu *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Wild Bee's BBS, a HONEY of a BBS (209) 826-8107 >From 100231.2502@CompuServe.COM Fri Sep 1 01:19:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!in2.uu.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Mary Anne Gill <100231.2502@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agricultu re.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Agriculture feature ideas Date: 27 Aug 1995 03:51:07 GMT Organization: Headline Printing Lines: 15 Message-ID: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.rural:20411 sci.agriculture:6450 sci.agriculture .beekeeping:2548 alt.agriculture.misc:3804 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7766 I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number one by far...... Anyway our newspaper does a regular weekly feature and we look at what is going on down on the farm ..... things to interest townies. In recent months we've covered a number of issues including whether or not farmers should be docking milking cows' tails (that got them thinking and writing), food for farmers and shearers, conversions from sheep and beef to dairying etc etc. Anyone got any other great and interesting feature ideas we could tackle. What's the rest of the world grappling with down on the farm? Is water a problem? Beef prices? Septic tanks? Let me know some ideas. Thanks >From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep 1 01:19:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pip ex.net!pipex!in1.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mai l From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help!.....I Need a Queen! Date: 27 Aug 1995 10:00:42 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 72 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <41ptqa$604@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <41b4pa$9e7@smart1.svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <41b4pa$9e7@smart1.svi.org>, Nate Saal writes: >Subject: Help!.....I Need a Queen! >From: Nate Saal >Date: 21 Aug 1995 23:27:38 GMT > >My hive lost its queen a while back and I got a new one to replace >her. Looks like >as I was introducing her, a laying worker took over and so my >replacement queen >didn't take. > >Does anybody know of any apiaries that might still be shipping >queens? I know it's >late in the season, but I'd rather not lose my hive if I can help it. > >I was going to try dumping the bees away from the hive and then >requeening in hopes >that the laying worker(s) can't get back to the hive. Any other >suggestions for >ridding a hive of laying workers??? > > >Subject: Help!.....I Need a Queen! >From: Nate Saal >Date: 21 Aug 1995 23:27:38 GMT > >My hive lost its queen a while back and I got a new one to replace >her. Looks like >as I was introducing her, a laying worker took over and so my >replacement queen >didn't take. > >Does anybody know of any apiaries that might still be shipping >queens? I know it's >late in the season, but I'd rather not lose my hive if I can help it. > >I was going to try dumping the bees away from the hive and then >requeening in hopes >that the laying worker(s) can't get back to the hive. Any other >suggestions for >ridding a hive of laying workers??? Once you have laying workers, it is extremely difficult to get a new queen accepted. It has already failed once, why waste another queen. If you can get a nuc from another beekeeper, it is about your last hope of getting the hive off and going for this season. A nuc is a laying queen with 3-5 frames of brood and workers. This will provide the young bees that your hive needs to get back in balance. Right now, all your bees are old, and, even if you could get a queen established, you will go into winter with very poor chances of survival. If you can't find a nuc available locally, it might be best to just hang it up for this season, and try again next spring. It is always a good idea to keep more than one hive. I always recommend a minimum of two. Then when your hive became queenless, you could have supplied a frame or two of brood, as you introduced your queen. That would greatly increase chances of acceptance, as you would have young bees hatching around her, and caring for her. Most of the larger queen breeders who advertise in bee magazines ship fall queens. They are normally used for requeening good hives on a scheduled basis. Commercial beekeepers would normally combine queenless hives back with a good hive, as requeening is almost sure to fail, this late. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From mzee@pi.net Fri Sep 1 01:19:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!news.sara.nl!new s.pi.net!news From: mzee@pi.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture,misc.rural,alt.sustainab le.agriculture,alt.agriculture.misc Subject: Re: Agriculture feature ideas Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 11:54:50 PDT Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: goe40.pi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2550 sci.agriculture:6469 misc.rural:20446 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7774 alt.agriculture.misc:3810 In article <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, <100231.2502@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Path: news.pi.net!news.sara.nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tan k.news.pipex.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserv e.com!news > From: Mary Anne Gill <100231.2502@CompuServe.COM> > Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agriculture.misc,alt. sustainable.agriculture > Subject: Agriculture feature ideas > Date: 27 Aug 1995 03:51:07 GMT > Organization: Headline Printing > Lines: 15 > Message-ID: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> > Xref: news.pi.net misc.rural:2748 sci.agriculture:1858 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:754 alt.agriculture.misc:1309 alt.sustainable.agriculture:1231 > > I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper > in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number > one by far...... > Anyway our newspaper does a regular weekly feature and we look at > what is going on down on the farm ..... things to interest > townies. In recent months we've covered a number of issues > including whether or not farmers should be docking milking cows' > tails (that got them thinking and writing), food for farmers and > shearers, conversions from sheep and beef to dairying etc etc. > Anyone got any other great and interesting feature ideas we could > tackle. What's the rest of the world grappling with down on the > farm? Is water a problem? Beef prices? Septic tanks? Let me know > some ideas. > > Thanks > More and more we see in Holland dairy farmers who install a milkingrobot They say it is more animal friendly than the milking with the machine. With the robot the cow can come up till six times a day to the milkingplace Espcially with fresh calfed cows that produce more than 40 liters a day it is a reliefe for the cows to be able to drain their milk several times a day. Although a robot seems in the first place very distant from relation human/animal the practical work as such is much better than 2 times milking a day., >From merasa@peg.apc.org Fri Sep 1 01:19:46 EDT 1995 Article: 2551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!news From: Matt Eliason & Robyn Ayles Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agricultu re.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Re: Agriculture feature ideas Date: 28 Aug 1995 11:46:26 GMT Organization: University of Queensland Lines: 29 Message-ID: <41saai$136@dingo.cc.uq.oz.au> References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: v15.dialup.peg.apc.org Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.rural:20448 sci.agriculture:6470 sci.agriculture .beekeeping:2551 alt.agriculture.misc:3811 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7775 Mary Anne Gill <100231.2502@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > > I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper > in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number > one by far...... > Anyway our newspaper does a regular weekly feature and we look at > what is going on down on the farm ..... things to interest > townies. In recent months we've covered a number of issues > including whether or not farmers should be docking milking cows' > tails (that got them thinking and writing), food for farmers and > shearers, conversions from sheep and beef to dairying etc etc. > Anyone got any other great and interesting feature ideas we could > tackle. What's the rest of the world grappling with down on the > farm? Is water a problem? Beef prices? Septic tanks? Let me know > some ideas. > > Thanks where do you want to start??? emu/ostrich farming, cost benefits effects of the el nino on New Zealand weather alternaive farming ideas, ie trout in farm ponds alternative marketing techniques for livestock/wool ie futures oldest tractors still working in district etc etc etc hope that helps ME >From glhat@ihug.co.nz Fri Sep 1 01:19:49 EDT 1995 Article: 2552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!comp.vu w.ac.nz!waikato!midland.co.nz!newsource.ihug.co.nz!news From: glhat@ihug.co.nz (Terry Gosset) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Zealand Honey...anyone know? Date: 27 Aug 1995 17:19:26 GMT Organization: Grey Lynn Housing Trust Lines: 19 Message-ID: <41q9eu$5q6@newsource.ihug.co.nz> References: <41i131$70n@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp2-08.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 In article <41i131$70n@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>, steelace@ix.netcom.com (Kevin Kr ebs) says: > >Hello, > Just wanted to ask if anyone has had any experience with >Manuka Honey from New Zealand. If you know what I am talking about and >where I can get it (with the active ingredient), please E-mail me ASAP. > I am trying different types of Honey for medicinal purposes. I am >interested even if you just have the manufacturers name, address, or >what store the honey can be bought at. > >Thanks in advance. >SteelAce@ix.netcom.com >Kevin Krebs > > I know a little about N.Z. honey and nectar sources. Please e-mail to glhat @ihug.co.nz.if you want supplies. Regards, Terry Gosset >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Fri Sep 1 01:19:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!use net From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cut Comb Honey Container Price Date: 28 Aug 1995 14:15:35 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 18 Message-ID: <41sj27$djm@news.sandia.gov> References: <41i0ti$oh6@ne ws.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) OOP's I did give the incorrect case price for the clam shell boxes. Mann Lake has two types of boxes. The fancy boxes with separate lids are 50 cents each or $48 for case of 96. The clam shell boxes are 19 cents each or $50 for case of 300. You mentioned that the dimensions are different for the two types. I have only used the clamshell type and comb honey from shallow supers fits nicely. I'm glad you had a good experience dealing with Mann Lake. I have been using th em for three years now and have never had a problem. Victor C. Rimkus Albuquerque NM vcrimku@sandia.gov >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Fri Sep 1 01:19:52 EDT 1995 Article: 2554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com! news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 07:54:49 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <174086F50S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <41ghbf$7qc@calvino.alaska.net> <41hotj$vgl@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <41mi ik$kru@calvino.alaska.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <41miik$kru@calvino.alaska.net> muskrat central writes: > >I really would like to kill the little suckers.... > The outside entrance where they come in is right outside my >front door. It makes it hard for us to come and go. I can't get to the >nest because there is no way in to the attic. >Tony > Tony! I've posted this to this and other bee related lists MANY(!) times and I'm always amazed that people will try this bug bomb or that gasoline trick when a very good and effective solution is probably in their closet at home. Give the following a shot. IT REALLY WORKS!!! >---------- ORIGINAL POST FOLLOWS -----------< A very benign, green, environmentally friendly and frugal way to get rid of yellow jackets is to use a canister style vacuum cleaner (like a shop vax or electrolux). Simply place the hose next to the nest entrance on a nice afternoon and leave it turned on for a couple of hours. As the yellow jackets come and go they get sucked into the vacuum. No mess, no pesticides, and it works! I learned this trick from a neighbor who paid an exterminator $50 to remove a nest of yellow jackets from their exterior walls. Of course you don't want to open the vacuum for a day or two. I assume the wasps die rather quickly with the dust and dirt in the vacuum, but I've never opened the vacuum to find out. I have used this method four times without a single problem and much to the amusement of passers by! I prefer to avoid pesticides whenever possible. Be sure to change the bag in a day or two, as the decaying yellow jackets are not something you want to leave in your vacuum. >----------------< Good luck! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Fri Sep 1 01:19:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!eskimo!seafish!Eva n_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Yellow Jackets Date: 28 Aug 1995 03:32:42 GMT Message-ID: <209579998.10881104@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 28 Tony A simple trap my parents have used successfully for removing a few yellow jackets at a party might work. You have to hope most or all the the foragers fall into the trap. So there aren't any left to raise young. Take a Quart Jar, make a cone out of window screen material with the tip of the cone facing down. Inside the jar, put something yellow jackets eat. MEAT. The scent will attract them and they will enter the large part of the cone, crawl through the small opening deep within the jar, grab some meat and fly up to the rim. The never think to crawl down to the opening where they came in. With a large nest, use several jars. Dispose of by tossing the jars in the freezer overnight, throwout the yellow jackets and repeat. I don't know if this will work but it may decimate the nest and there is almost NO danger to you! I think that's what you may find to be the best part of this plan Good Luck Evan 17808 Bonney Lk BLVD Bonney Lk WA USA >From kniemann@canetoad Fri Sep 1 01:19:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pa cbell.com!gw2.att.com!nntpa!bigtop!canetoad!kniemann From: kniemann@canetoad (131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300) Subject: Honeybee / Flower interaction musings ..... Message-ID: Sender: news@bigtop.dr.att.com (Netnews Administration Login) Nntp-Posting-Host: canetoad Organization: AT&T X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 23:59:05 GMT Lines: 28 I was just reading the article about Squash flowers and honeybees and I got to wondering.... Does a bee "know" if a flower has already been visited by a pollinator ? If you think about why bees are at the flowers, it is to get the nectar. Wouldn't it make sense that they could tell if a flower was depleted of nectar by some previous visitor ? If yes then how do they do it ? If not, does that mean that they visit the same flower over and over until it is not a flower any more ? Do flowers replenish their nectar supply ? If so for how long? Until they are fertilized ? I understand that if you look at a flower in the UV spectrum that it has patterns on it that look like runways or directional arrows pointing inward. Presumably these are to attract and direct pollinators. Do these markings change over time ? Are there any physical changes to the flower when pollination has occured ? Enough questions. Time to go home and walk among my squash. All the Best Karl -- >From camschel@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep 1 01:19:58 EDT 1995 Article: 2557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!n etnews From: camschel@ix.netcom.com (Peter Amschel ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: pure source of nectar; caged bees Date: 29 Aug 1995 03:34:18 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <41u1rq$d60@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-sd6-06.ix.netcom.com In American Bee Journal of 9/95 there is an article from the men at Michigan State University entomology department about how they kept working at the idea of confining a colony of bees over a particular variety of plant so that they bees could only forage on that plant. Their initial efforts and incorrect assumptions and problems with lack of pollen and with insufficient food for the bees, etc. is all very interesting, and they deserve commendation for a well-written article and for following up on a fascinating idea. >From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Fri Sep 1 01:19:59 EDT 1995 Article: 2558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!u senet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!n crgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: dave macfawn Subject: Copper Napthenate Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (DAVEM) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division ] Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:12:34 GMT Lines: 12 I am interested in using Copper Napthenate rather than painting my hives but need to learn more about it. Will the Napthenate bother the bees if the brood champer is soaked in the liquid prior to the introduction of the bees? Can I use the napthenate instead of painting the hives? Is there any problem using honey supers dipped in Napthenate? How long should the wood be soaked in the Napthenate? I am looking for a cheaper solution than painting my hives but am not sure if Copper Napthenate is it. dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 >From rovoreed@cix.compulink.co.uk Fri Sep 1 01:20:00 EDT 1995 Article: 2559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!btnet!news.compulink.co.uk!cix.compulink.co.uk!usenet From: rovoreed@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Mike Davies") Subject: Re: Weights & Measures in the UK Message-ID: Organization: Compulink Information eXchange X-Newsreader: PowWow References: <1995Aug25.180900.9647@crosfield.co.uk> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 06:48:30 GMT Lines: 12 > Of course, this is all completely insane. Selling 454g quantities of > honey, rather than 1lb, is not metrication. :-) Quite. My main concern was the jars, not the labels, after all I could just write over the label with a felt tip pen. None of the main UK suppliers (Steele & Brodie, Thorne, or Exeter Bee Supplies) even offer metric jars, so I wondered what the heck was going on. Mike >From rogersda@direct.ca Fri Sep 1 01:20:01 EDT 1995 Article: 2560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!usenet From: rogersda@direct.ca (david rogers) Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agricultu re.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Re: Ag feature ideas : 18Hr Day = More Milk Date: 29 Aug 1995 01:28:46 GMT Organization: Internet Direct Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <41tqge$31m@grid.Direct.CA> References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.174.243.169 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.rural:20503 sci.agriculture:6494 sci.agriculture .beekeeping:2560 alt.agriculture.misc:3814 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7795 In article <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Mary Anne Gill <1002 31.2502@CompuServe.COM> says: > >I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper >in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number >one by far...... > It will cost you the trade off for free exchange of information, is that O.K.? I work as the Ag. Specialist at a major Utility Co.in Canada. Have an article at work which describes how farmers who put in HPS HID Lighting in their barns get an extra $65/Cow US return by increasing winter day length to 18 hours. If you are interested will send more. I am always scouting for new articles in Ag. hope we can trade across the Big P for Pacific. Sincerely, David. >From P.Wright@ed.ac.uk Fri Sep 1 01:20:02 EDT 1995 Article: 2561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!uknet!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!festival!news From: Peter Wright Subject: Re: Bee Hives References: <4159o7$6s@news1.usa.pipeline.com> <809396636snz@alkham.demon.co.uk > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) Message-ID: X-Url: news:809396636snz@alkham.demon.co.uk Sender: news@festival.ed.ac.uk (remote news read deamon) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: dave@alkham.demon.co.uk Organization: Edinburgh University Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:10:43 GMT Lines: 8 It is no 'tradition' but based on the very sound basis that bees learn the location of their home, and will (within the summer period) return to that home base if removed within 2 miles of the home site. If you don't believe this, try moving a hive 20 feet and leaving an empty brood box on the original site...it will fill with all the foraging bees from your colony! >From worrell@gamera.umd.edu Fri Sep 1 01:20:03 EDT 1995 Article: 2562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!gamera.cbl.cees.e du!worrell From: worrell@gamera.umd.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybee / Flower interaction musings ..... Date: 29 Aug 1995 11:58:51 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Lab. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <41uvdr$eb7@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.cees.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] 131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300 (kniemann@canetoad) wrote: : I was just reading the article about Squash flowers and honeybees and I : got to wondering.... Not sure what article you were quoting. Please cite reference. : Does a bee "know" if a flower has already been visited by a pollinator ? : If you think about why bees are at the flowers, it is to get the : nectar. Two things a honeybee goes after in a flower nectar and POLLEN. How well a flower is pollinated depends usually on multiple visits to the flower. : Wouldn't it make sense that they could tell if a flower was : depleted of nectar by some previous visitor ? If yes then how do they : do it ? If not, does that mean that they visit the same flower over and : over until it is not a flower any more ? : Do flowers replenish their nectar supply ? If so for how long? Until : they are fertilized ? Cucurbits are poor sources of nectar and commercial pollinators in our area have to feed in order that the bees don't starve. I have yet to see anyone market cucumber or squash honey yet an awful lot of bees are used for pollination. Jerry Worrell,Dunkirk MD >From pollinator@aol.com Fri Sep 1 01:20:04 EDT 1995 Article: 2563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.resto n.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not- for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybee / Flower interaction musings ..... Date: 29 Aug 1995 09:24:24 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 68 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <41v4e8$228@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: Reply-To: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com In article , kniemann@canetoad (131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300) writes: >Subject: Honeybee / Flower interaction musings ..... >From: kniemann@canetoad (131J50000-NiemannK(DR3279)300) >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 23:59:05 GMT > > > I was just reading the article about Squash flowers and honeybees >and I got to wondering.... Where did you see the article? We'd like to see it, too. >If you think about why bees are at the flowers, it is to get the nectar. Not necessarily. Bees also gather pollen, which is the protein supply, mostly used for brood and the young bees who secrete royal jelly. When bees gather nectar, they may accomplish some pollination, but they do a much better job, when deliberately gathering pollen. Watch the bees work on your squash. If they are gathering nectar, they will extend their tongue and sip, then fly away. If they are gathering pollen, they will *doggie-paddle* through the stamens, to get as much as possible on their own body fuzz. For commercial pollination, we want this. Therefore we use hives that are still building, which have a lot of brood to be fed, thus forcing the bees to gather more pollen. I want to see as much of that brood open as I can get. That means young, vigorous queens, plenty of room to lay, etc. Sometimes we stimulate them by feeding syrup during cucurbit pollination. Squash, cukes, and melons do not produce much nectar. If there are no nectar sources in the neighboring area, the queen may shut down, and pollination value of the hive is lost. For good honey production you manage in order to get the hive to peak population, and shutting down on brood production, just as the flow starts. Pollination management strives to have the hive about two weeks earlier in the cycle, just as the crop starts blooming. >Does a bee "know" if a flower has already been visited by a pollinator ? I suspect bees leave odor trails, but I would also hope that wouldn't stop other bees. We want to get the bee into the blossom many times. It takes a lot more than one visit to get a good cuke, or squash. I've seen whole fields of one-visit-type pollination. Cukes are deformed, one end large, other small, some curled, etc. Yellow squash with wrinkled body, not much bigger than the neck. Each seed needs a grain of pollen. Pollination releases the chemicals that make the flesh grow, so we want as many seeds as possible pollinated, to make perfect fruit. If you look at the blossom, you will see that the pollen gets used up. On squash, with plenty of bees, you can see that there is no more pollen, often before noon. If well pollinated, the flowers wilt quicker. If not pollinated, the bloom stays open longer. This quick wilt when pollinators are plentiful, sometimes alarms farmers. Watch a while, and tell me what you see. Pollinator@aol.com Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1215, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From x Fri Sep 1 01:20:05 EDT 1995 Article: 2564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu !news.provo.novell.com!pcslink.orem.novell.com!user From: x (x) Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agricultu re.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Re: Ag feature ideas : 18Hr Day = More Milk Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:18:27 -0600 Organization: x Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> <41tqge$31m@grid.Dir ect.CA> NNTP-Posting-Host: pcslink.orem.novell.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.rural:20523 sci.agriculture:6508 sci.agriculture .beekeeping:2564 alt.agriculture.misc:3816 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7803 $65/Cow, for what period of time, each month, biweekly, the whole year? OBTW: How much do dairies get per hundred weight in Canada? Rumor says around $20/hundred, but the local coop's want us to beleave around $10 so they can lower our price so as not to hurt your farmers. I really doubt their concern for Canada's dairies. We have found over a twenty year period how to maintain a heard average between 55 and 61 lbs of milk per day from holstein cattle through the prudent use of adequate pasture, and simple feed while in the dairy of crushed corn, soybean, and minerals. Artificial stimulants or drugs are not used. Geoff Slinker > >I'm an agricultural journalist with the Waikato Times newspaper > >in Hamilton, New Zealand. It's a region where dairying is number > >one by far...... > > > I work as the Ag. Specialist at a major Utility Co.in Canada. Have an > article at work which describes how farmers who put in HPS HID Lighting > in their barns get an extra $65/Cow US return by increasing winter day > length to 18 hours. > >From pete@dewis.win-uk.net Fri Sep 1 01:20:06 EDT 1995 Article: 2565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!gwen.pcug.co.uk!kate .ibmpcug.co.uk!dewis!pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <38@dewis.win-uk.net> Reply-To: pete@dewis.win-uk.net (Pete Gray) From: pete@dewis.win-uk.net (Pete Gray) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 23:34:14 GMT Subject: Wild Colonies Lines: 7 A friend has a 'Wild Bees nest' about 15 feet up a tree. I assume that it is a colony of domestic bees; does anyone have experience of collecting an established colony this late in the season, How do I go about transferring it to a hive? Is it even worth attempting? Pete >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Fri Sep 1 01:20:07 EDT 1995 Article: 2566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pip ex.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wild Colonies Date: 30 Aug 1995 14:07:32 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 27 Message-ID: <421rb4$mda@news.sandia.gov> References: <38@dewis.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) >A friend has a 'Wild Bees nest' about 15 feet up a tree. I assume that it is a >colony of domestic bees; does anyone have experience of collecting an >established colony this late in the season, >How do I go about transferring it to a hive? >Is it even worth attempting? > Pete, Is the colony of bees inside the tree or have they made comb on the outside? I just cut a section of bee tree this weekend and placed it by my apiary. I will not cut int o it until next spring since I do not believe they will have time to build up before winter. I used a stethescope to listed and determine where the bees were inside. Then I cut abov e and below the occupied area. I had to take it now because the area was being cleared for a ho use to be built. If there wasn't a now or never situation I would have left it for the spring. If the colony was on the outside (hanging under a branch) I would have collecte d them and started them in a hive with comb for a couple of weeks then combined them with an existing hive. If they are inside, wait until spring. If they are outside, and you have a hive to combine them with, catch them now. If you decide that they should be captured now, email the details and I will be glad to help. vcrimku@sandia.gov, Victor C. Rimkus, Albuquerque, NM USA > >From john@musicman.com Fri Sep 1 01:20:08 EDT 1995 Article: 2567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!in2.uu.net!recepsen.aa.msen.com!not-for-mail From: John Green Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Bk FS Date: 30 Aug 1995 11:08:25 -0400 Organization: musicman.com Lines: 12 Sender: johng@conch.aa.msen.com Message-ID: <421ut9$ieq@conch.aa.msen.com> Reply-To: john@musicman.com NNTP-Posting-Host: conch.aa.msen.com Beekeeping Bk FS Root, A.I. The ABC and XYX of Bee Culture: An encyclopedia pertaining to scientific and practical culture of bees. Medina, Ohio: A.I. Root, 1978; 37th edition. Hard cover with embossed bee and type in gold on spine and front cover, 723 pages, index, glossary, illustrated. Excellent condition. $18 postage included in U.S. reply email john@musicman.com >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 1 01:20:09 EDT 1995 Article: 2568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee !andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Edward SouthwickWith great sadness, I report to members of the Bee-l Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:09:00 GMT Message-ID: <950830072828618@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 32 originally in conference BEE-LIST MAIL on WILD BEE'S BBS *Sad news from the other group.* ---------------------------------------- From: Mary Jo Orzech Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 11:02:53 EDT Subject: Edward Southwick With great sadness, I report to members of the Bee-l community the death of Edward E. Southwick, last Tues. 8/22/95. Dr. Southwick was a much loved teacher, instructor and friend. He was an internationally recognized bee expert and taught at the State University of New York at Brockport since 1977. Ed was also the founder and co-owner of Bee-l, which was created as a means for bee researchers to communicate and keep in touch around the world. Raised in Midland, Mich., Dr. Southwick held a bachelor of science degree in mechanical engineering and a masters degree in biology from the Univ. of Michigan. His doctoral degree was in physiological zoology from Washington State Univerity. Southwick died of pancreatic cancer; he was 52. He is survived by his wife, Alrun Southwick, and two daughters, Stephanie Lisa Southwick of San Antonio, Texas and Antje Southwick of Ann Arbor, Michigan. His passing is an enormous loss to us all. Mary Jo Orzech Academic Computing Services SUNY Brockport Brockport, Ny 14420 >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 1 01:20:10 EDT 1995 Article: 2569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee !andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dance controversy Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:14:00 GMT Message-ID: <950830072828619@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 97 *FYI* ripped off the b-list. From: Adrian Wenner Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:46:27 PDT Subject: Re: dance controversy >What is the current consensus on the "waggle dance" controversy? I thought >that the robot bee work reported in National Geographic a few years ago had >proved Von Frisch correct but I came across a recent book by Wenner and >Wells still arguing in favour of the odour hypothesis. No, from our perspective, the "robot bee" did not settle the issue, as reviewed in one of our papers (1991 Wenner, A.M., D. Meade, and L. J. Friesen. Recruitment, search behavior, and flight ranges of honey bees. American Zoologist. 31(6):768-782). Those who would focus on experiments with odor transport downwind from food sources and hive placement have a strong future for obtaining rewarding results. Next month I will be presenting the following abstract at the AMERICAN BEE RESEARCH CONFERENCE in Georgia (one that will be published in the December issue of the AMERICAN BEE JOURNAL): --DRAFT-- ********* A recent claim (Webster & Caron, Bee Culture 123:403-406): "The evidence for dance language is strong," ignored 13 salient points published 21 years earlier in the same publication (Wells & Wenner, Gleanings in Bee Culture 102:110-111,127). I update and expand upon those points here. The dance maneuver information is not sufficiently accurate to account for supportive experimental results obtained by language proponents; rather, the experimental designs used apparently funnel recruits into "intended" sites. Von Frisch recognized in 1937 (Wenner, with von Frisch, Bee World 74:90-98) - that one gets no recruits with no odor. However, von Frisch (and others at the time) failed to perceive that his 1940s experiments lacked necessary controls against odor influencing results; later, his results did not survive tests in double-controlled and strong inference experiments. Only by using odor in single controlled experiments can one obtain supportive results; thus, one can no longer justifiably explain "positive" results with an uncritical assumption of "language." Recruit search behavior is remarkably inefficient. Most recruits require several flights out from the hive before locating the target food source, are in the air many times longer than necessary for a direct flight, and succeed only rarely unless one provides sufficient odor at the site. One can easily see that recruits always fly zigzag into a target site from far downwind (binoculars help). If an array of stations is provided, recruits end up near the center of all - although a slight wind blowing along a line of stations can alter an expected distribution. Despite dancing, recruitment more than 400m downwind from a hive is negligible unless many foragers make round trips and thereby provide an aerial pathway of odor. Crop-attached bees require no dancing for re-recruitment; they will immediately return to their foraging area on the basis of an odor stimulus alone. New recruits, by contrast, do not begin arriving in quantity until almost an hour after foragers begin regular trips and increase in frequency per unit time even if the number of dancing bees is held constant. Recruit success is thus dependent more upon the cumulative number of forager trips (with time and with odor accumulation in the hive) than upon the number of foragers involved. Success rate depends upon odor concentration but not upon Nasonov gland secretions at the food source or upon dance frequency in the hive. Finally, recruits attending disoriented dances (dances without direction information) can still find the "correct" site in the field. No one seems to dispute the above known facts, so clearly researchers have grossly neglected the role of odor in honey bee recruitment. Furthermore, no one seems willing to provide a concise scientific statement of the language hypothesis, one that can accommodate all known facts. For those who wish to understand foraging ecology, an increased emphasis on the role of odor in honey bee recruitment should be very rewarding. One can find a quite complete 1990 summary of most of the above points (Wenner & Wells, Anatomy of a Controversy: The Question of a "Language" Among Bees. Columbia University Press) and a brief 1991 exposition elsewhere (Wenner et al., American Zoologist 31:768-782). ******** I feel that one must give more than lip service to the role of odor, since it is a very tangible, measurable, and usable communication channel. Adrian *************************************************************** * Adrian Wenner E-Mail wenner@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu * * Department of Biology Office Phone (805) 893-2838 * * University of California Lab Phone (805) 893-2838 * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 FAX (805) 893-4724 * *************************************************************** --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Honey Lovers Stick Together >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Fri Sep 1 01:20:11 EDT 1995 Article: 2570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.n achbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: propolis off clothesYou might want to try the cheapest hair spray Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 01:21:00 GMT Message-ID: <950830072828620@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 27 ou can find at your local originally in conference BEE-LIST MAIL on WILD BEE'S BBS *This message is worth saving as it may be the answer to a problem that many beekeepers have faced. How to get bee glue out of your cloths from a bee list poster in Chile. I don't know if it works but it sure sounds like its worth a try. ttul Andy- From: "Marion L.Bristow" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 18:35:43 CST Subject: Re: propolis off clothes You might want to try the cheapest hair spray you can find at your local drug store . Just spray it on the propolis and soak it in warm water . This works great for ink stains . Marion L.Bristow - Jefe , Seccion Informatica Agriculture Sciences Campus Universidad de Concepcion , Campus Chillan Casilla 537 Chillan , Chile e-mail: mbristow@palomo.chillan.udec.cl --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Vote Republican and enjoy living life on the DOLE! >From denniss@solar.sky.net Fri Sep 1 01:20:12 EDT 1995 Article: 2571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!alpha.sky.net!news From: denniss@solar.sky.net (Dennis R. Schneider) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee sting therapy Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 20:08:32 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 9 Message-ID: <422g4a$5d6@alpha.sky.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip098.sky.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Does any one have any info on a bee sting therapy for Multiple-sclerosis patiients. My friend is doing a paper for college and is trying to find info on this type of therapy. Any help would be appriciated you can post to the group or email me . Thanks Tara email (denniss@solar.sky.net) >From lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu Fri Sep 1 01:20:13 EDT 1995 Article: 2572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state .edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!yuma!bjostad1.agsci.colosta te.edu!user From: lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu (Lou Bjostad) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee sting therapy Date: 31 Aug 1995 00:46:39 GMT Organization: Colorado State University Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <422g4a$5d6@alpha.sky.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bjostad1.agsci.colostate.edu In article <422g4a$5d6@alpha.sky.net>, denniss@solar.sky.net (Dennis R. Schneider) wrote: > Does any one have any info on a bee sting therapy for > Multiple-sclerosis patiients. My friend is doing a paper for college > and is trying to find info on this type of therapy. Any help would be > appriciated you can post to the group or email me . See Bee Sting Therapy by Glenn Rothfeld, M.D., at http://www.shore.net/~spectrum/apitherapy.html ===================================================================== Lou Bjostad, Fort Collins, Colorado lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu ===================================================================== >From delair@sasknet.sk.ca Fri Sep 1 01:20:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state .edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!rover.ucs.ual berta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!news.sasknet.sk.ca!news From: "Miles E. Jorgenson, P. Eng." Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agricultu re.misc,alt.sustainable.agriculture Subject: Re: Agriculture feature ideas Date: 31 Aug 1995 06:51:05 GMT Organization: DEL-AIR Systems, Ltd. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <423m4p$g5t@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca> References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle14.sasknet.sk.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: 100231.2502@CompuServe.COM X-URL: news:41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu misc.rural:20588 sci.agriculture:6535 sci.agriculture .beekeeping:2573 alt.agriculture.misc:3825 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7842 You want a firecracker? Rumor has it, Holland , and the rest of Europe are running out of room for hogs. They have two choices; get out of the business or move around the globe. North America is a likely welcome spot, but you might see if Kiwis would welcome them. The world eats a pile of pork, I'll tell you. China alone eats close to 25 million tonnes! I am involved in the public side of selling communities on hog projects. "Not in My Back Yard" is a common roadblock to farmers establishing new operations. This is usually fueled by fears of water contamination or sleepless nights with the smell of pig shit in your quiet country home. Interesting, farmers complain against other farmers, it is not always an urban rural problem. >From mzee@pi.net Fri Sep 1 01:20:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news .nic.surfnet.nl!news.sara.nl!news.pi.net!news From: mzee@pi.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture,misc.rural,alt.sustainab le.agriculture,alt.agriculture.misc Subject: Re: Agriculture feature ideas Date: Thu, 31 Aug 95 13:05:28 PDT Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <423m4p$g5t@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: goe20.pi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:2574 sci.agriculture:6536 misc.rural:20590 alt.sustainable.agriculture:7843 alt.agriculture.misc:3826 In article <423m4p$g5t@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca>, writes: > Path: news.pi.net!news.sara.nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!EU.net!howland.reston.ans.n et!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!news.sasknet.sk.ca!news > From: "Miles E. Jorgenson, P. Eng." > Newsgroups: misc.rural,sci.agriculture,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.agriculture.misc,alt. sustainable.agriculture > Subject: Re: Agriculture feature ideas > Date: 31 Aug 1995 06:51:05 GMT > Organization: DEL-AIR Systems, Ltd. > Lines: 16 > Message-ID: <423m4p$g5t@tomcat.sasknet.sk.ca> > References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle14.sasknet.sk.ca > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) > To: 100231.2502@CompuServe.COM > X-URL: news:41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com > Xref: news.pi.net misc.rural:2866 sci.agriculture:1926 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:769 alt.agriculture.misc:1345 alt.sustainable.agriculture:1283 > > You want a firecracker? Rumor has it, Holland , and the rest of Europe > are running out of room for hogs. They have two choices; get out of the > business or move around the globe. North America is a likely welcome > spot, but you might see if Kiwis would welcome them. The world eats a > pile of pork, I'll tell you. China alone eats close to 25 million > tonnes! > > I am involved in the public side of selling communities on hog projects. > "Not in My Back Yard" is a common roadblock to farmers establishing new > operations. This is usually fueled by fears of water contamination or > sleepless nights with the smell of pig shit in your quiet country home. > Interesting, farmers complain against other farmers, it is not always an > urban rural problem. > > > > In Holland we have indeed that problem. Local newspapers give an easy ear to all kind of rubbish stories from opposers of the new pigfarmers who move from the dense pig-areas to the open areas of airabele farming in the southwest of the netherlands. But the pigfarmers are forced by the law to build such high sophisticated pighouses that no smell or NH3 will escape. The pigs in there, are better of than 2/3 of the worldpopulation. >From roe@crosfield.co.uk Fri Sep 1 01:20:17 EDT 1995 Article: 2575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!crosfield.co.uk!roe From: roe@crosfield.co.uk (Malcolm Roe) Subject: Re: Weights & Measures in the UK Message-ID: <1995Aug31.174954.9135@crosfield.co.uk> Organization: Crosfield, Hemel Hempstead, UK References: <1995Aug25.180900.9647@crosfield.co.uk> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:49:54 GMT Lines: 29 In article rovoreed@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Mike Davies") writes: > >> Of course, this is all completely insane. Selling 454g quantities of >> honey, rather than 1lb, is not metrication. > >:-) Quite. My main concern was the jars, not the labels, after all I >could just write over the label with a felt tip pen. > >None of the main UK suppliers (Steele & Brodie, Thorne, or Exeter Bee >Supplies) even offer metric jars, so I wondered what the heck was going >on. My understanding is that, apart from very small quantities (under about 2oz, I think), the legal situation is as follows: Until this October, honey can only be sold in a number of specified multiples and sub-multiples of 1lb. >From October onwards, honey can only be sold in a number of specified multiples and sub-multiples of 454g. What's the difference? Only the labels. That's why I called the situation insane! -- Malcolm Roe Phone : +44 1442 345104 Crosfield Electronics Ltd Fax : +44 1442 343000 Hemel Hempstead, Herts. HP2 7RH, UK E-mail : roe@crosfield.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >From mah48d@rohmhaas.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:39 EDT 1995 Article: 2784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!bertha.ho.ro hmhaas.com!wm48d.ho.rohmhaas.com!user From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 07:14:32 -0500 Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: wm48d.ho.rohmhaas.com In article <477@altheim.win-uk.net>, broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R. Oldham) wrote: > [deletions] If the primary flower source is named then it can be > expensive, otherwise it is blended (a bit like the difference between > single malt whisky and blended). > >[deletions] > Now I wonder if factory produced (supermarket) honey isn't bulked out > with sugar syrup - or does it lose flavour by being extracted by hot > pressing? What else do they do to it? > Remember that the bees do quite a bit of blending themselves. They gather >from one particular source until it runs out, then they switch to something else. I'd be hard pressed to identify what flower was the source of any of my honey because we have such a mix in my area (suburban Philadelphia). On bland honey, I had a lovely crop of very light, very mild honey this spring, several shades lighter than normal. I suspect local consumers would consider this a premium honey, even though I personally prefer a darker honey with more flavor...which I'll get from the summer/fall crop. Bottom line: honey is a natural product, and as such is not consistent. The bees themselves can produce honey that is like the supermarket stuff, even without human intervention. (Isn't clover honey the supermarket standard?) They can also produce delightful honeys ranging over several shades, in several assertive flavors. I'll concur in another posting that said, get as close as possible to the producer. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." >From yrh@fox.nstn.ca Sun Oct 8 00:42:40 EDT 1995 Article: 2785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!news From: yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Plans - Honey Bottling Equipment Date: 3 Oct 1995 12:27:18 GMT Organization: NSTN Inc. ICS/Windows Dialup User Lines: 8 Message-ID: <44ra77$4ic@Owl.nstn.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: yarmouth-ts-32.nstn.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.2 Hi I am going to build a container to put honey in prior to bottling. It will be stainless steel with a water jacket/heater. Does anyone know where I can get plans for one. Either post replay or email to yrh@fox.nstn.ca Thanks >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:41 EDT 1995 Article: 2786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can bees run out of pollen? Date: 2 Oct 1995 13:08:44 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 29 Message-ID: <44oo8s$c8b@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <4482rp$crd@smart1.svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.52.32 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:4482rp$crd@smart1.svi.org Nate Saal wrote: >I know that beekeepers often have to feed thier hives during the winter so >that teh bees do not run out of honey/food, but has anybody ever supply their >hives with pollen? > >I ask because I have a weak hive that is going into the winter (in CA, so >it's on the milder side) and it has very little stored pollen. The hive >had a laying worker for about a month, during which most of the stored >pollen was used and the hive had little incentive to collect more since >their numbers were down and very few laying worker eggs were being laid. > >I dumped the hive and installed a queen and by some miracle, the queen took. >As happy as I am, after looking in the hive I worry why the queen is not >laying more eggs than she is. Could it be that they don't have the pollen >to feed the growing larva? Most of the flowers have bloomed and died, so >that, combined with small population problem, makes me wonder. > >Is this going to be a problem? If so, is there any way to remedy it? > >thanks for the help, > >nate > Yes, substitute pollen patties are available from most bee supply stores and I feel it would be desirable to give it to your hive if= you suspect that their pollen stores will not be adequate for the winter. How ever, the reason the queen is not producing many eggs= is probably because this is the normal season for her to curtail brood product ion until late winter. If the hive is really small, = you may have a problem overwintering it even if the winter is mild. Try combin ing it with another hive, if you have one. >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:42 EDT 1995 Article: 2787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Smoker fuel / herbs/ bee behaviour Date: 2 Oct 1995 12:04:33 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 14 Message-ID: <44okgh$3pa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <472257775wnr@berfa.demon.co.uk> <44e8c0$sco@tpd.dsccc.com> <44ekqf $ehs@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/44ekqf$ehs@solaris.cc.vt.edu adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: > Pine needles from white pine, _Pinus strobus_ are my favorite smoker fuel. > >Adam >-- I absoultely agree. 'Glad to see someone else has such good taste in smoker fuel. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: finding a buyer for bee-venom Date: 2 Oct 1995 12:09:46 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 23 Message-ID: <44okqa$3pa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk >Last year in Kyrghz., I met an old bee-keeper >who showed me how he annoyed the bees to make >them mad and discharge their venom. When the venom >was dry he scraped up the venom as a white powder, >which is highly toxic. He asked me to find a Western >buyer, but I have so far been unsuccessful. > >Helpful suggestions would be much appreciated. >-- >Michael Smedley Michael, I've heard others tell the same story. They apparently make many pounds of it. Unfortunately, there seems to only be a limited use for it so the supply can greatly outreach the demand. SB *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Raleigh, NC 27695 >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:43 EDT 1995 Article: 2789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 12:17:39 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 32 Message-ID: <44ol93$3pa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted Fischer wrote: >Yesterday, I set out to one of my yards to put in Apistan strips. I >usually do this about the end of August, but this was an unusually >rushed year, so I didn't get around to it until now. Four weeks ago I >harvested an average of 125 lbs of honey from these 15 very strong hives >(at that time filling three hive bodies plus up to six medium depth >supers). Much to my surprise, six of the colonies had died out, leaving >no bees at all in the hive; seven were extremely weak and most of these >were queenless; only two were what I would call moderate in strength. I >saw many dead and dying bees on the ground in the vicinity of the >beeyard, and can only surmise that the colonies were victims of the >varroa mite. I had always been able to control the mite with timely >applications of Apistan, and so never realized the devastation possible >in so short a time! I am a much sadder (and poorer) but wiser beekeeper >after this experience. Has anyone else seen anything like this happen >so rapidly? (Incidentally, two of the hives showed AFB as well, but I >wonder if this might be a stress response to varroa?) > Been there. Done it. I usually treat about the first of August. I don't know how AFB enters into your equation, too, but Vmites can do it too. Think about it. If no brood successfully hatched out for two months, what would be left. Hives under severe Vmite pressure sometimes abscond or collapse near the end. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:44 EDT 1995 Article: 2790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: finding a buyer for bee-venom Date: 3 Oct 1995 19:14:31 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 25 Message-ID: <44s22n$jso@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk Marjorie Smedley wrote: >jratkay's enquiry about a customer for bee-venom >also interests me. I often work in the Former >Soviet Union (FSU), several visits to Russia and >Kazakhstan this year and to Kyrghyzstan in 1994. >In both republics there is a lot of honey production. > >Last year in Kyrghz., I met an old bee-keeper >who showed me how he annoyed the bees to make >them mad and discharge their venom. When the venom >was dry he scraped up the venom as a white powder, >which is highly toxic. He asked me to find a Western >buyer, but I have so far been unsuccessful. > >Helpful suggestions would be much appreciated. >-- >Michael Smedley There may potentially be a market for bee venom if one were to contact a chemical or biochemical company. For example, I just checked the Sigma Chemical Company listing on the internet and find that their catalog lists several types of bee venom. They do buy from local suppliers, for several years ago I sold a batch of propolis to Sigma. >From Youruserid@tznet.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:45 EDT 1995 Article: 2791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuclear.microserve.net!news.paonline.com! tznet.com!Youruserid From: Youruserid@tznet.com (Keith A. Smith) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee keepers in Wisconsin Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 13:31:14 Organization: Tzone BBS Lines: 2 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.31.5.31 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] I am a beekeeper in Wisconsin and am looking for others within the state that have any ideals, comments, and information on the hobby/business >From nickw@wave.co.nz Sun Oct 8 00:42:46 EDT 1995 Article: 2792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ne ws1.digital.com!ames!waikato!wave.co.nz!usenet From: Nick Wallingford Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NZ: Where has Sunflora Apiaries gone? Date: 3 Oct 1995 23:18:56 GMT Organization: Wave Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <44sgd0$arq@Axil.wave.co.nz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: nickw.wave.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Reg Clark who owns (owned) Sunflora has put it up for sale, I know. I'll find out what is happening and repost to the list. ------------------------------------ Nick Wallingford, President National Beekeepers Assn of NZ nickw@wave.co.nz ------------------------------------ >From Humphrys@edc.org Sun Oct 8 00:42:47 EDT 1995 Article: 2793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.w ellfleet.com!news3.near.net!tristram.edc.org!news From: Michael Humphrys Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Density of Honey Date: 2 Oct 1995 20:34:35 GMT Organization: EDC Lines: 11 Message-ID: <44picr$tj@tristram.edc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac138.mactcp10.edc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping#44p4p1$7lk@taco.cc.ncsu.edu Can anyone give me the approximate density of Honey? I've checked a number of references, but to no avail. I'll be happy to convert from whatever dimensions you may have this in (lbs per gallon, kg/litre, lbs/cubic inch, lb/oz,... ). Thanks in advance, Michael >From steve_bambara@ncsu.edu Sun Oct 8 00:42:48 EDT 1995 Article: 2794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!news From: Steve Bambara Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Date: 2 Oct 1995 16:50:33 GMT Organization: NCSU-Entomology Lines: 34 Message-ID: <44p58p$7bh@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: beemac.ent.ncsu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-URL: news://news/477@altheim.win-uk.net broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R. Oldham) wrote: >>However, on a recent holiday in the south of England, I brought back a >jar of local honey, and the label clearly said "Cold Pressed". It was >thick and cloudy and had bits floating about in it. I wasn't too >worried about that. But it was delicious. It had real, distinct flavour. >Now I wonder if factory produced (supermarket) honey isn't bulked out >with sugar syrup - or does it lose flavour by being extracted by hot >pressing? What else do they do to it? > >What do you guys think? > Brian, I can only speak in generalities, but in the US the trend is for a honey light in color and mild in flavor. It is what sells best probably because it is least objectionable to the majority. If you like strong honey or a specific flavor, purchase from a local beekeeper. Trash in your honey does not mean it is good product though you are probably correct in thinking that it has not be filtered. The definition of cold pressed is open to interpretation, but it may mean that it was not extracted from a comb in the modern method. The comb may have been mechanically destroyed and the honey strained out through a rough strainer. You may also have encountered some heather honey which is very thixiotropic, i.e. it doesn't run very well. Often it doesn't work in modern extractors so the comb is crushed and the honey drains. Buy what you like and from someone you trust. I think store bought honey is quality to the overwhelmingly large extent. *************************************************************** Steve Bambara Dept. of Entomology, Box 7626, Raleigh, NC 27695 steve_bambara@ncsu.edu (919) 515-1661 fax (919) 515-7273 >From karen@angelo.amd.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:49 EDT 1995 Article: 2795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!decwrl!amd!amd.com!angelo!karen From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Date: 2 Oct 1995 21:18:00 GMT Organization: Advanced Micro Devices, Santa Clara, CA Lines: 27 Message-ID: <44pku8$ae1@amdint.amd.com> References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: angelo.amd.com rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) writes: >> Sometimes I have the impression that it isn't as >>tasty as it ought to be. The labels seldom give much information about >>the product. If the primary flower source is named then it can be >>expensive, otherwise it is blended (a bit like the difference between >>single malt whisky and blended). >You have hit the nail on the head - "supermarket honey" is (gernerally) >blended - the reason is that the marketing "experts" seem to think that >consumers demand consistent products - they always want the honey to taste >the same when they open the jar (so say the marketing geniuses) - the only >problem is that honey can vary significantly due to variations in nectar >sources. So, the big honey packers (at least in the USA) blend their >honey so that they produce a consistent product, one that is more "marketable >to the masses". Speaking as someone who does a fair amount of cooking with honey, a mild consistent product is just what I want. If I'm eating plain honey, however, I may prefer something more distinctive. One can't argue taste. Karen Black -- karen@angelo.amd.com DoD #250: SR250, GB500, HD Sprint SS250 "If I'm typecast as a genius, who cares?" -- Jeremy Brett, on playing Sherlock Holmes >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct 8 00:42:50 EDT 1995 Article: 2796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Plans - Honey Bottling Equipment Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 01:56:44 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 13 Message-ID: <44sina$5hl@news.iadfw.net> References: <44ra77$4ic@Owl.nstn.ca> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-11.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) wrote: >I am going to build a container to put honey in prior to bottling. >It will be stainless steel with a water jacket/heater Dan, I don't know of any plans for one but the Walter T. Kelly Co. (502-242-2012 in Kentucky) sell a s.s. 'Grocers Tank' that makes an excellant bottling tank for $177. It is a double boiler type design and comes with a heater for that price. I use one with the brass 'self closing honey valve' they make. It works great! Busy Knight Dallas, TX >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct 8 00:42:51 EDT 1995 Article: 2797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!use net From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Costs Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 01:57:17 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 27 Message-ID: <44siob$5hl@news.iadfw.net> References: <44qj5v$op5@news.paonline.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-11.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) wrote: > I don't suppose any one might know what I can expect to pay for a packet of >bees in the US ? Joseph, The followoing three examples are quoted from 1995 price lists. This is a very narrow sample but representive of the prices in the US. Walter T. Kelley (state location: Kentucky) 2 pound package of bees with queen = $22.50 3 pound package of bees with queen = $27.50 Rossman Apiaries (state location: Georgia) 2 pound package of bees with queen = $28.00 3 pound package of bees with queen = $33.00 Weaver Apiaries (state location: Texas) 2 pound package of bees with queen = $29.50 3 pound package of bees with queen = $35.50 All of the above prices are for Italian race bees and for a quantity of one package. The prices reduce a little (but not much) if you order over a quantity of ten. BusyKnight Dallas, Texas >From bente@deakin.edu.au Sun Oct 8 00:42:52 EDT 1995 Article: 2798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!usenet From: Bente Schjeflo Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Silicone candle moulds Date: 2 Oct 1995 22:53:24 GMT Organization: Deakin University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <44pqh4$rco@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc12-slip.ccs-stuw.deakin.edu.au I am an Australian beekeeper looking for a silicone candle mould. The mould is white with inside profiles, and closed off with rubber bands. Many different types exists and I can import them from Denmark (my country of orign.) and >from England. However, I want to import them there to Australia and need to get in contact with the producer. I have an idea that it is a German product and sold under the name 'Hobby Kreation'. Maybe there is a similar product in the USA Can anyone help, please. We, my Australian husband and I, are about to requeen. We have ordered queens from Kangooru Island this year and want to make some queen-sisters from them. We are trying to get our Jenter Kit drawn out at the moment. Cape weed and Gorce is flowering and we have not had to feed the bees this winter. regards Bente >From mjensen@crl.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:53 EDT 1995 Article: 2799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.d igital.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!NewsWatcher!user From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Silicone candle moulds Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:32:43 -0800 Organization: Double J Apiaries Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> <44pqh4$rco@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl6.crl.com X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27+ In article <44pqh4$rco@sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au>, Bente Schjeflo wrote: > 'Hobby Kreation'. Maybe there is a similar product in the USA > Can anyone help, please. I have made candle molds from a Dow Corning silicone called HS II RTV. It is a two part, white silicon compound that has good durability and flexibility. It is expensive but the molds last forever. Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com >From broldham@altheim.win-uk.net Sun Oct 8 00:42:53 EDT 1995 Article: 2800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!gwen.pcug.co.uk!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!altheim!bro ldham Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <484@altheim.win-uk.net> Reply-To: broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R. Oldham) From: broldham@altheim.win-uk.net (Brian R. Oldham) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 10:15:03 GMT Subject: Lavender Honey Lines: 25 Following on from my thread about cold pressed honey, I have another tale to tell. BTW I should like to thank Karen and Rick for their helpful comments and advice. Last summer I got hold of one of those tourist leaflets about the lavender fields in Norfolk (England). Now, many years ago I procured a jar of French lavender honey. Sadly, I can't for the life of me remember where I got it. It was very dark in colour, thick, and had a strong and distinctive flavour. So I filled the car with my wife and some petrol and we toddled off to Norfolk intending to come back with half a dozen 2LB jars of lavender honey. Well we found the lavender fields. To be accurate, we found the car and coach parks first - very nearly as big as the lavender fields. We entered the beautifully paved reception area through an arched pergola and found a small tea shoppe and a rustic arty/crafty shoppe and a garden shoppe. I eventually found what I was looking for. The lavender honey. Unfortunately they didn't have 2Lb jars. In fact they only did one size - 4oz pots - the kind you take home as a present for granny. It was all crystallized and lighter in colour than I expected, and the price was more than I usually pay for whole 1Lb of supermarket honey. Needless to say I came home disappointed. Am I naive or what? Brian --- #define Brian broldham@altheim.win-uk.net >From josephj@surf-ici.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:54 EDT 1995 Article: 2801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !news.sprintlink.net!nuclear.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!usenet From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Costs Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 05:48:19 GMT Organization: Pennsylvania Online! [slip/ppp/bbs/NEWSHUB/FTPHUB] Lines: 2 Message-ID: <44qj5v$op5@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.210.33 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 I don't suppose any one might know what I can expect to pay for a packet of bees in the US ? >From owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz Sun Oct 8 00:42:55 EDT 1995 Article: 2802 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!news.sprintlink.net!news.uoregon.edu!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!watsonathome.rs nz.govt.nz!user From: owenathome@rsnz.govt.nz (Owen Watson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NZ: Where has Sunflora Apiaries gone? Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 19:34:55 +1200 Organization: Royal Society of New Zealand Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsonathome.rsnz.govt.nz I'm looking for Sunflora Apiaries of Blenheim, (New Zealand) who used to supply me with good queens. Phone calls are getting a disconnected signal. Unfortunately directory enquiries doesn't know their new no (if they have one), and I don't have a name. Any clues? ........... Owen Watson ........... >From rshough@tasc.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:56 EDT 1995 Article: 2803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!newsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!us er From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 13:21:31 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk>, PeterH@humbhony.demon.co.uk wrote: [clip] >On the heating topic mentioned by another poster, am I right in >thinking that a main problem is increased hmf content, and that this >follows a normal time/temperature curve as for most >chemical processes? Yes, that is what I was thinking of. Please bear in mind that I am not a chemist, so my "facts" are certainly open to interpretation! In addition to the hmf content issue, I have heard that heating honey can cause it to darken some. I am unsure how heating impacts flavor (or flavour), although taken to the extreme, one can taste the carmelization when the honey gets burned. Rick **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * **************************************************** >From rshough@tasc.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:57 EDT 1995 Article: 2804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ne wsserver.read.tasc.com!rshough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Density of Honey Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 19:10:03 -0500 Organization: TASC Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <44picr$tj@tristram.edc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: rshough.read.tasc.com In article <44picr$tj@tristram.edc.org>, Michael Humphrys wrote: >Can anyone give me the approximate density of Honey? I've checked >a number of references, but to no avail. A five gallon (US) bucket is about 60 lbs of honey, which gives 12 lbs per gallon. This is 1.5 times as heavy as water, which is 8 lbs per gallon. That is a rough number, as the density will change a bit with moisture content (the higher the moisture, the lower the density) Rick Hough rshough@tasc.com A beekeeper from just a bit NE of Boston, Massachusetts. >From PeterH@humbhony.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 8 00:42:58 EDT 1995 Article: 2805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!pal adin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!sunsite.doc.ic.ac. uk!warwick!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!humbhony.d emon.co.uk From: Peter Hill Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 09:17:18 GMT Organization: Humber Harmony Lines: 51 Message-ID: <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk> References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> Reply-To: PeterH@humbhony.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: humbhony.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 In article <477@altheim.win-uk.net> broldham@altheim.win-uk.net writes: > > However, on a recent holiday in the south of England, I brought back a > jar of local honey, and the label clearly said "Cold Pressed". It was > thick and cloudy and had bits floating about in it. I wasn't too > worried about that. But it was delicious. It had real, distinct flavour. > Now I wonder if factory produced (supermarket) honey isn't bulked out > with sugar syrup - or does it lose flavour by being extracted by hot > pressing? What else do they do to it? > > What do you guys think? I can't speak on Cold Pressed honey - guess pressing per se is normally associated with heather honey - or the mysterious and cost-accountant driven sources and processes supermarket suppliers use, but would support those who say honey shouldn't have odd bits in it. We use vacuum assisted filtering. Our view on supermarket honey is best summarised by the text we use on our back label: Quote: English Beekeepers' Honey is a totally natural product, collected by honeybees from locally growing flowers. The label should always quote a precise area or place of origin. The colour and flavour (or color and flavor if you prefer:-) will vary from month to month and year to year, depending on the crop, so we always quote the extraction date, just like a wine vintage. No-one has yet determined a true "best before" date for honey (good honey came out of the tombs of the Pharoahs) but if you can bear to keep it rather than eat it we suggest you keep it in a cool dark cupboard and use within five years. All honey, except honey heavily processed on a large scale, will granulate with time. This is natural and many people prefer the enhanced texture. If you prefer it less firm for spreading, remove the metal cap and put it in the microwave for about ten to fifteen seconds. End quote. On the heating topic mentioned by another poster, am I right in thinking that a main problem is increased hmf content, and that this follows a normal time/temperature curve as for most chemical processes? -- Peter Hill, | Many people enjoy music without Grimsby, England. G7IOY | wishing to understand the contents peterh@humbhony.demon.co.uk | - rather like eating a sausage. Grimsby BKA. | (Marc Sabatella, 1992) >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:59 EDT 1995 Article: 2806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!n ews.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Calif. Bee Meetings Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 03:22:00 GMT Message-ID: <951004211116812@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 68 California State Beekeepers Association, Lake Tahoe, Nevada 1995 TENTATIVE 106th CONVENTION PROGRAM ^^^^^^^^^ Mon., Nova. 13 3:00 PM Board of Directors Meeting Tues., Nov. 14 8:00 AM Registration and Commercial Exhibits Open 9:00 AM Opening Ceremonies and Committee Reports 11:00 AM Update on Anti-Dumping Suit Troy Fore 11:30 AM Pollination Survey Results Kevin Roberts 12:00 PM Lunch 1:15 PM Beekeeping: Nevada Style Leonard Joy Nevada Dept. of Agriculture 2:00 PM Apitherapy: From the Master Charles Mraz 2:30 PM Selling Honey as a Gourmet Food Sherry Jennings Specialty National Honey Board 3:15 PM Break 3:35 PM Commercial Honey House Operations Bob Miller 4:15 PM Apistan Update Oscar Coindreau, Zoecon 7:30 PM Social Hour, Cookies and Refreshments Esther Wright American Honey Queen 8:15 PM Evening with Charles Mraz Charles Mraz Wed., Nov. 15 8:00 AM Registration Continues 8:30 AM Current Research ? Dr. Kirk Visscher 9:15 AM Almond Board Bee Research Rick Souza California Almond Board 10:00 AM Break 10:15 AM Honey Sales and Promotion Judy Gulleson Commercial Beekeeper 11:00 AM Bear Facts Revisited Shannon Wooten 11:30 AM Need for Research Panel Joe Traynor Bruce Beekman Gene Brandi 12:00 PM Research Luncheon Dr. Kirk Visscher UC Riverside 2:00 PM Sioux Honey Association Meeting Afternoon Free Thurs., Nov. 16 8:00 AM Registration Continues 8:30 AM Planning for Retirement John Allanson Financial Consultant 9:15 AM Wax Rendering Alan Mikolich David Bradshaw 9:50 AM Break 10:15 AM Staying in Touch Ria deGrassi California Farm Bureau 10:45 AM TBA CDFA Pesticide Regulator 11:30 AM Lunch 1:00 PM Wooten's Year on Film Glenda Wooten 1:30 PM Annual Business Meeting 3:30 PM Auction Wilse Morgan 6:45 PM Social Hour 7:30 PM Annual Banquet and Awards Fri., Nov. 17 7:30 AM Breakfast Board Meeting For more information via internet e-mail to: 95program.csba@beenet.com will return this program and Registration Instructions and Information. Pre registration ends November 6, 1995. OR you can call Kathy Brandi, CSBA Sectary at 209-826-8065, voice/fax. <30> --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Wild Bee's BBS, a HONEY of a BBS (209) 826-8107 >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Oct 8 00:42:59 EDT 1995 Article: 2807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!news.sprintlink.net!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.n et!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Tri-State Conference, Oct. 5-7. Ridpath Hotel, Spokane, WA Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 01:39:00 GMT Message-ID: <951004211115811@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 58 *ripped off the internet highway* From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:20:20 -0600 Subject: Tri-State Conference, Oct. 5-7. Ridpath Hotel, Spokane, WA ^^^^^^^^ Hi: I have been asked to provide more information about the Spokane beekeeping meeting of the Idaho, Oregon, and Washington Beekeepers. If you wish to attend and haven't received notice of the meeting, they encourage new members. Contact Walt Peterson, 509-926-1188, 6603 S. Conklin, Green Acres, WA 99016. Walt says they need more members and would be delighted to see some new faces. However, he would like you to call him and say you are coming so he can make adjustments in terms of the Banquet reservations. Ok, a quick summary of the agenda. Registration is Thursday evening at 7, followed by a Mead, Wine, and Cheese social. Friday: 7 Breakfast and Registration (wear badge) 8:30 Welcome 8:45 Where is Apiculture Headed - Jim Bach 9:15 What Have We Learned about Varroa Mites - Tom Rinderer 10:15 Refreshments 10:30 Honey Bee Repellants - Dan Mayer 11:15 Genetic Heritage of Honey Bees ...Future for Breeding - Walt Sheppard 12 Lunch 1:15 What is Going on at Carl Hayden Bee Lab - Eric Erickson 2:00 Beekeeping in Thialand - Mike Burgett 2:45 Beekeeping Trends ... From North of the Border - Paul Van Westenberg 3:30 State Business Meetings - Idaho, Washington, Oregon 5 Social Hour 6 Banquet 7 Auction Saturday 7 Breakfast 8 NEEM to Treat Colonies - T.P. Liu 9 What's New with Mites in NW - Mike Burgett 10 Break 10:15 Using State of the Art Technology ... - Jerry Bromenshenk 11:15 The Packers Role and Concerns - Don Griggs 12 Lunch (on your own) 1:15 American Beekeeping Federation Program - Lee Heine 2 National Honey Board Goings On - Carl VanWechel 3 Beekeeping in Egypt - Jim Bach "I shortened titles of talks and dropped all of the Drs, to keep this shorter - JJB" --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? >From mah48d@rohmhaas.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:00 EDT 1995 Article: 2808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc .net!bertha.ho.rohmhaas.com!wm48d.ho.rohmhaas.com!user From: mah48d@rohmhaas.com (John E. Taylor III) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Cold pressed honey Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: Thu, 05 Oct 1995 08:02:06 -0500 Organization: Rohm and Haas Company Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <477@altheim.win-uk.net> <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: wm48d.ho.rohmhaas.com In article , rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) wrote: > In article <812711838snz@humbhony.demon.co.uk>, > PeterH@humbhony.demon.co.uk wrote: > > [clip] > >On the heating topic mentioned by another poster, am I right in > >thinking that a main problem is increased hmf content, and that this > >follows a normal time/temperature curve as for most chemical processes? > > [deletions] I have heard that heating honey can cause it to > darken some. I am unsure how heating impacts flavor (or flavour), although > taken to the extreme, one can taste the carmelization when the honey gets > burned. This is pretty subjective, but the honey that I heated to extract from cappings by melting the wax in a microwave oven seemed to be darker and have a slightly sharper flavour than what came out of the extractor unheated. -- John Taylor (W3ZID) | "The opinions expressed are those of the e-mail: mah48d@rohmhaas.com | writer and not of Rohm and Haas Company." >From WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk Sun Oct 8 00:43:01 EDT 1995 Article: 2809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!adrem.demon.co.uk From: Paul Walton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Euphoria Tape...Try it with a Lover! Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 15:38:33 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <812821113snz@adrem.demon.co.uk> References: <44u5n6$jil@globe.indirect.com> Reply-To: WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 In article <44u5n6$jil@globe.indirect.com> Estascy@euphoria.com writes: > I.C.P., Suite 578-101, 5360 E. Bay Dr., Clwr., FL 34624 > > The Euphoria Tape > > ******************* > IntraNet Cyber Products > Suite 578-101 > 5360 E. Bay Dr. > Clearwater, FL 34624 > ******************* > Copyright 1995 Intranet Cyber Products, All Rights Reserved. > ------------------------------------------------------- Wouldn't you say that this a triffle off-topic in this newsgroup ? -- Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England WaltonP@adrem.demon.co.uk 100524.3203@Compuserve.com >From mculotta@mirage.bbn.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:04 EDT 1995 Article: 2810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!oleane!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!info-server.bbn.com!news!mc ulotta From: mculotta@mirage.bbn.com (Mark Culotta) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Preparing hives for the winter Date: 04 Oct 1995 19:24:23 GMT Organization: BBN SPC, Cambridge, MA. Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.bbn.com Hello, This is my second year keeping bees. The first, I had a single hive which didn't survive the winter. I checked carefully for varroa and AFB and didn't find either. Since I really didn't prepare the hive in any way, I'm guessing this is where things wnet wrong. This year, I have two hives. The first is much larger and more vigorous than last year's hive and I expect it should survive just fine. The second is not as strong as I got the bees later in the spring, but is likewise in better shape than last year's hive. What, if anything, should I do to the hives/bees to ensure survival? Thanks, Mark Culotta >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:05 EDT 1995 Article: 2811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 18:24:53 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <44papl$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, Two of my four colonies here in Southce ntral Pennsylvania are showing symptoms such as you describe. One is queenless and both have brood combs cleared out in the center area. Around the perimeter are capped, late pupae and a few larvae. The larvae are dead, collapsed, very milky white, and some of them are dehydrated and tan in color. There is no ropiness to the dead larvae and there is no smell. There are a few pupae, some with purple eyes already, which have not been fully capped. There are perfectly circular holes in the cap's centers and the holes have beaded edges. I do not understand why these cells were not normally capped. I did NOT give these colonies a spring Apistan treatment and feel that if I had, they would have been in better shape. The queens in them were not as good as in my other two hives. I should mention that both of these colonies were strong in midsummer and brought in a record crop. I would be very interested to learn mor e about exactly what is going on during colony devastation due to varroa (Which I know to be present in my sick hives.) Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (In the Cu mberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:06 EDT 1995 Article: 2812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 18:24:03 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <44pao3$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, Two of my four colonies here in Southce ntral Pennsylvania are showing symptoms such as you describe. One is queenless and both have brood combs cleared out in the center area. Around the perimeter are capped, late pupae and a few larvae. The larvae are dead, collapsed, very milky white, and some of them are dehydrated and tan in color. There is no ropiness to the dead larvae and there is no smell. There are a few pupae, some with purple eyes already, which have not been fully capped. There are perfectly circular holes in the cap's centers and the holes have beaded edges. I do not understand why these cells were not normally capped. I did NOT give these colonies a spring Apistan treatment and feel that if I had, they would have been in better shape. The queens in them were not as good as in my other two hives. I should mention that both of these colonies were strong in midsummer and brought in a record crop. I would be very interested to learn mor e about exactly what is going on during colony devastation due to varroa (Which I know to be present in my sick hives.) Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (In the Cu mberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:06 EDT 1995 Article: 2813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 18:28:10 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <44pavq$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, Two of my four colonies here in Southce ntral Pennsylvania are showing symptoms such as you describe. One is queenless and both have brood combs cleared out in the center area. Around the perimeter are capped, late pupae and a few larvae. The larvae are dead, collapsed, very milky white, and some of them are dehydrated and tan in color. There is no ropiness to the dead larvae and there is no smell. There are a few pupae, some with purple eyes already, which have not been fully capped. There are perfectly circular holes in the caps' centers and the holes have beaded edges. I do not understand why these cells were not normally capped. I did NOT give these colonies a spring Apistan treatment and feel that if I had, they would have been in better shape. The queens in them were not as good as in my other two hives. I should mention that both of these colonies were strong in midsummer and brought in a record crop. I would be very interested to learn mor e about exactly what is going on during colony devastation due to varroa (Which I know to be present in my sick hives.) Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (In the Cu mberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:07 EDT 1995 Article: 2814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:29:02 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <44pehu$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 100 lbs. of honey each. One of them is queenless and both have brood frames with large central areas cleared out. I believe that I saw the white specks indicating varroa feces. Around the perimeter of the empty brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white contents. They are not ropy and have no odor. I noticed a few purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look healthy. The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open. This puzzles me. I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa infestation. I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips, menthol, and terramycin in grease patties. One last comment: I had one colony headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen that was not treated last fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely strong right through winter and spring. But it swarmed twice and I only caught one of the swarms. As they always tell us, a vigorous queen makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention. I would like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into the devastation. I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but have diagnosed trachael mites in past years. Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:08 EDT 1995 Article: 2815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:29:46 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <44peja$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 100 lbs. of honey each. One of them is queenless and both have brood frames with large central areas cleared out. I believe that I saw the white specks indicating varroa feces. Around the perimeter of the empty brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white contents. They are not ropy and have no odor. I noticed a few purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look healthy. The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open. This puzzles me. I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa infestation. I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips, menthol, and terramycin in grease patties. One last comment: I had one colony headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen that was not treated last fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely strong right through winter and spring. But it swarmed twice and I only caught one of the swarms. As they always tell us, a vigorous queen makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention. I would like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into the devastation. I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but have diagnosed trachael mites in past years. Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:09 EDT 1995 Article: 2816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:30:18 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <44peka$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 100 lbs. of honey each. One of them is queenless and both have brood frames with large central areas cleared out. I believe that I saw the white specks indicating varroa feces. Around the perimeter of the empty brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white contents. They are not ropy and have no odor. I noticed a few purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look healthy. The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open. This puzzles me. I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa infestation. I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips, menthol, and terramycin in grease patties. One last comment: I had one colony headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen that was not treated last fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely strong right through winter and spring. But it swarmed twice and I only caught one of the swarms. As they always tell us, a vigorous queen makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention. I would like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into the devastation. I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but have diagnosed trachael mites in past years. Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From wjmorr@ark.ship.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:10 EDT 1995 Article: 2817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!no c.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!gala xy.bloomu.edu!jake.esu.edu!news From: "William J. Morrison" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mite damage Date: 2 Oct 1995 19:31:29 GMT Organization: Shippensburg University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <44pemh$hrd@jake.esu.edu> References: <44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wjmorrison.keel.bio.ship.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: tvf@umich.edu X-URL: news:44h0p4$s27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu Ted, What you describe happening to your colonies is similar to what I see in two out of the four that I have. They both produced record crops - over 100 lbs. of honey each. One of them is queenless and both have brood frames with large central areas cleared out. I believe that I saw the white specks indicating varroa feces. Around the perimeter of the empty brood areas are dead worker larvae that are soft with milky white contents. They are not ropy and have no odor. I noticed a few purple-eyed pupae in cells with incomplete caps. These pupae look healthy. The caps have smooth edged, round holes in their centers as if the workers did not complete the caps but just left them open. This puzzles me. I'm curious about the larval disease (which I saw just a touch of last September) which seems to be secondary to a varroa infestation. I now have treated all of my colonies with Apistan strips, menthol, and terramycin in grease patties. One last comment: I had one colony headed by an alleged "Yugo" queen that was not treated last fall or spring with apistan and was lousy with mites and was extremely strong right through winter and spring. But it swarmed twice and I only caught one of the swarms. As they always tell us, a vigorous queen makes a difference, but you have to practice swarm prevention. I would like to hear from others about the details of what goes on during a devastating varroa infestation and how tracheal mites might figure into the devastation. I had no "crawling" bees on the ground this year but have diagnosed trachael mites in past years. Bill Morrison wjmorr@ark.ship.edu (Located in the Cumberland Valley of Pennsylvania) >From stjohn@interpac.net Sun Oct 8 00:43:11 EDT 1995 Article: 2818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com !charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!news.interpac.net!usenet From: stjohn@interpac.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sue Hubbell Date: 4 Oct 1995 21:39:39 GMT Organization: Inter-Pacific Network Services Lines: 5 Message-ID: <44uuur$ofb@isis.interpac.net> References: <44hfui$dui@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: s21.interpac.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) >l beekeeping > in the Western U.S. Only an easterner would think that Arkansas is the western US. >From A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz Sun Oct 8 00:43:12 EDT 1995 Article: 2819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!waikato!news.massey.ac.nz!sysadmin From: A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (Arnold Chamove) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: finding a buyer for bee-venom Date: 6 Oct 1995 03:17:09 GMT Organization: Massey University< New Zealand Lines: 9 Message-ID: <45273l$3j6@cc-server9.massey.ac.nz> References: <812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk> <44okqa$3pa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ps-pc35.massey.ac.nz X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ what can/do you use bee venom for? Arnold Chamove Massey University Psychology Dept Palmerston North, New Zealand A.Chamove@Massey.ac.NZ >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sun Oct 8 00:43:14 EDT 1995 Article: 2820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!es kimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Low honey yield in S. Ontario Date: 05 Oct 1995 03:23:23 GMT Message-ID: <22147070.1260368@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 25 Doug Nagy wrote >One thing I think may be a factor is that there are alot of yellow-jacket >hornets around the hives and general vicinity, I think that they maybe robbing >the honey. Does this happen? yellow jackets and hornets are carnivores. I have see a yellow jacket steal a piece of spam off of a plate and before he could lift off, a Bald face hornet came in and killed him (via decapitation) and flew away. Yellow jackets around a bee hive usually are looking for the dieing bees that are crawling away from the hive. If it is a GOOD year for yellow jackets they may be starving and will then go for the healthy bees. Any of the commercial yellow jacket control traps will work. But use meat as a bait. The jackets will be attracted but bees ignore it. Evan >From ca1@Ra.MsState.Edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:15 EDT 1995 Article: 2821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!nntp.msstate.edu!Ra.MsState.Ed u!ca1 From: "Carl H. Hovermale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Truck Netting Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 07:33:24 -0500 Organization: Mississippi State University Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Someone asked for information on bee truck netting. There is a man in poplarville MS That makes it. Buddy Moody PO Box 14 Poplarville Ms 39470 1-601-795-8396 >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct 8 00:43:16 EDT 1995 Article: 2822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink .net!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: finding a buyer for bee-venom Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 13:53:14 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4535ek$6k3@news.iadfw.net> References: <812378794snz@msmedley.demon.co.uk> <44okqa$3pa@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> < 45273l$3j6@cc-server9.massey.ac.nz> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-06.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 A.S.Chamove@massey.ac.nz (Arnold Chamove) wrote: >what can/do you use bee venom for? IMHO, I would say right now only for "medical research." No scientific studies have been done to show (prove) that it has any medicinal value. Nor are any studies likely to be performed (at least in the US). The large drug manu- facturers have no incentive to use their research money in developing any medicine that would be as simple as a bee sting! [This way go a long way in explaining why there are no buyers for bee venom]. >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:17 EDT 1995 Article: 2823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey containers Date: 5 Oct 1995 15:30:14 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 8 Message-ID: <450tm6$78n@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping I have a potentially new honey customer who asks if I can provide honey for his grocery store in plastic containers of 2, 5, 12 and 18 pounds. I think I can find suppliers for the 2 and 5 pound sizes, but what about 12 pound (gallon) and 18 pound (1 1/2 gallon) sizes? Does anyone know where I can find these? I think the grocer would prefer the bucket type of container. >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:18 EDT 1995 Article: 2824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Preparing hives for the winter Date: 5 Oct 1995 14:55:06 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 40 Message-ID: <450rka$6ct@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:MCULOTTA.95Oct4152423@mirage.bbn.com mculotta@mirage.bbn.com (Mark Culotta) wrote: > >Hello, > >This is my second year keeping bees. The first, I had a single hive >which didn't survive the winter. I checked carefully for varroa and >AFB and didn't find either. Since I really didn't prepare the hive in >any way, I'm guessing this is where things wnet wrong. > >This year, I have two hives. The first is much larger and more >vigorous than last year's hive and I expect it should survive just >fine. The second is not as strong as I got the bees later in the >spring, but is likewise in better shape than last year's hive. > >What, if anything, should I do to the hives/bees to ensure survival? > >Thanks, >Mark Culotta > > Several of things are necessary, in my opinion: 1) Kill varroa! Assume the mites are there, and put a couple of Apistan strips near the center of the cluster. The bees will likely die otherwise. 2) Prevent foulbrood. Put about 4 oz of Terrapatty, or the equivalent, in two or three sites between the 2 hive bodies. 3) Give ample honey stores or feed. I usually use about 75+ pounds of honey, then carefully check during the winter to make sure they aren't running out. If the hives are getting light, I feed with candy boards on top of the hive bodies. 4) Ensure a good population of bees. If the colony seems weak, it is better to unite two than try wintering a small number of bees. 5) Give adequate ventilation to the hive. The bees will metabolize honey and consequently produce moisture, which will condense. I would raise the outer cover just a crack, or drill a hole in the front of the hive bodies (especially the upper one) just below the front hand hold. >From garndt@creativeis.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:19 EDT 1995 Article: 2825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!sim tel!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!mr.net!news.mr.net!scream.ing.com!news From: garndt@creativeis.com (Gary Arndt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Farm Journal Today Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 18:23:27 GMT Organization: Creative Internet Solutions Lines: 22 Message-ID: <453l4u$smj@scream.ing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ed.ing.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 "Farm Journal Today" is a world wide web product of Farm Journal Publishing, a Tribune Companies property. Farm Journal has a history in the magazine business dating back to 1877, headquartered in Philadelphia, PA. It addresses the nation's largest industry--agriculture, and the US Food and Fiber industry. The multi-purpose site offers timely information for US agricultural producers and marketers, along with live chat and forum capabilities, a commerical center, and a business center offering navigation to other related Agricultural sites on the Internet. Linked to weather and commodity pricing sites, Farm Journal Today offers Real Audio capabilities. Farm Journal Today is complimentary, with no subscriber fee and is supported by advertising. Visit us at >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:20 EDT 1995 Article: 2826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Low honey yield in S. Ontario Date: 6 Oct 1995 17:12:19 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 22 Message-ID: <453o1j$5rc@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <22147070.1260368@seafish.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:22147070.1260368@seafish.org Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) wrote: >Doug Nagy wrote > >>One thing I think may be a factor is that there are alot of yellow-jacket >>hornets around the hives and general vicinity, I think that they maybe >robbing >>the honey. Does this happen? > >yellow jackets and hornets are carnivores. I have see a yellow jacket steal >a piece >of spam off of a plate and before he could lift off, a Bald face hornet came >in and >killed him (via decapitation) and flew away. >Evan > While the yellow jacket is certainly a carnivore, in the fall at least it will avidly go after sugars too. I recently had an experi= ence in which I set out a comb partially filled with honey outside my honey hou se. Several hours later, when I noticed it, it was p= acked with hundreds of yellow jackets, but not one single honeybee dared approa ch! They opened and devoured much of the comb in tha= t time. >From pkevan@uoguelph.ca Sun Oct 8 00:43:22 EDT 1995 Article: 2827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net !pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph .ca!pkevan From: pkevan@uoguelph.ca (Peter Kevan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Asiatic Hive Bee (New Book) Date: 5 Oct 1995 19:50:04 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 23 Message-ID: <451ctd$338@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca Keywords: Apis cerana, apiculture, biology, sustainability X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] A new book is in the presses now: THE ASIATIC HIVE BEE: APICULTURE, BIOLOGY, AND ROLE IN SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN TROPICAL AND SUBTROPICAL ASIA. The prepublication price for this book will be about $40.00 US. It is about 320 pages long, with chapters on all aspects of this bees' biology, husbandry, and ecological significance in nature and agriculture by an international team of authors. It will be available in November or December, 1995. Please message me directly if you would like to purchase a copy at the prepublication price, which will be finalized soon. Thank you, Peter G. Kevan. -- -- PETER G. KEVAN, Dept. Environmental Biology, University of Guelph, Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1, Canada pkevan@uoguelph.ca LIST OWNER FOR ENTOMO-L (general entomology), POLPAL-L (pollination & palynology), and POLAR-L (arctic and antarctic information) >From vcrimku@sandia.gov Sun Oct 8 00:43:23 EDT 1995 Article: 2828 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot .cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: "Victor C. Rimkus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in Walls Date: 5 Oct 1995 13:57:26 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 8 Message-ID: <450o87$mu9@news.sandia.gov> References: <44fml3$24i@cc-server9.massey.ac.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: slick.raptor.sandia.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Why not make the observation hive portable and have a location in the wall to set it? This way it could be taken outside to work on it. Also this would allow multiple observation hives to be mannaged and the best to bee displayed. V C Rimkus, Albuquerque, NM >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Oct 8 00:43:24 EDT 1995 Article: 2829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!new s.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!u senet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning Pollen? Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 00:19:13 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 10 Message-ID: <451lod$sam@news.iadfw.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal06-20.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 I been collecting pollen using pollen traps on a few of my hives. And my bees do a great job of bringing in the pollen however it is very labor intensive to clean the pollen for human consumption. Can anyone suggest a faster way of cleaning pollen for a small beekeeping operation other than picking thru it by hand? (I've tried the FAN thing and it blows away as much pollen as trash) Other than givin' up...anybody got any ideas? >From sca@silvercity.mv.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:25 EDT 1995 Article: 2830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel !news.sprintlink.net!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: Cleaning Pollen? Message-ID: Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Sender: usenet@mv.mv.com (Paul Hurley) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2 (Windows; U; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Silver City Apiaries Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 01:22:31 GMT References: <451lod$sam@news.iadfw.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 June of '93' "Gleanings" lists a mfgr. of a pollen cleaner. Not cheap, but I don't think there are many builders of these machines to offer much competition. Company is: The Hance Corporation 235 East Broadway Westerville, Ohio Ph.# 614-882-7400 Name listed as a contact is Jeff Cox. You might call them to see if they're still in businees, and the latest prices. Let me know what you find out, I'd be interested... >From dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM Sun Oct 8 00:43:26 EDT 1995 Article: 2831 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink .net!in1.uu.net!ncrgw2.ncr.com!ncrhub2!ncrcae!news From: dave macfawn Subject: beeswax Message-ID: Sender: news@ncrcae.ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (news) Reply-To: dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (davem) Organization: AT&T Global Information Solutions X-Newsreader: DiscussIT 2.0.1.2 for MS Windows [AT&T Software Products Division ] Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 20:36:38 GMT Lines: 15 I was thinking about entering some beeswax in the state fair. I was wondering what is the best way to get the wax clean. I had thought about the solar wax melter but was thinking that the quantity that I have (25+ lbs) it would take to long. has anyone use Kelly's wax seperator? Does it work? Thanks, Dave M. dave macfawn AT&T Global Information Solutions dave.macfawn@ColumbiaSC.ATTGIS.COM (803) 939-7409 >From tvf@umich.edu Sun Oct 8 00:43:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Asiatic Hive Bee (New Book) Date: 6 Oct 1995 17:05:59 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 9 Message-ID: <453nln$5rc@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <451ctd$338@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:451ctd$338@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca pkevan@uoguelph.ca (Peter Kevan) wrote: >A new book is in the presses now: THE ASIATIC HIVE BEE: APICULTURE, >BIOLOGY, AND ROLE IN SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN TROPICAL AND SUBTROPICAL Just a question - I don't recognize what kind of bee under consideration - is t his the bee known as Apis cerana? >ASIA. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:27 EDT 1995 Article: 2833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Indiana SBA Fall Meeting Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 11:36:00 GMT Message-ID: <951007093407835@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 56 *Off the B-List* From: Ken Adams Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 02:19:07 EST Subject: Indiana SBA Fall Meeting 97th Annual Fall Meeting, Indiana State Beekeepers Association The fall meeting will be in Burlington, Indiana on October 14, 1995. It will be at the Burlington Center located at Burlington Park. Registration is $2.00 per individual, $3.00 per family. The Lunch meal is catered and will cost $6.00 per person. 08:00 Registration 09:00 Meeting Starts 09:30 Call to order 09:40 Reports: Treasurer- Steve Welch Secretary- Tracy Hunter State Apiary Inspector- Kathleen Prough 09:50 Introduction of 1996 Indiana Honey Queen Contestants 10:00 1995 Indiana Honey Queen Report by Carrie Beguhn 10:15 Election of Officers 10:30 Gerald Burchett from Eddyville, Kentucky "Young People in Beekeeping" 11:30 Lunch- catered 12:45 Entertainment 13:15 Awards- Beekeeper of the Year Clover Blossom Award Honey Show 13:30 Auction 14:15 Queen Coronation 14:30 Don Stoelting from Louisville, Kentucky "Everything You Need to Know About Pollen" 15:30 Closing Announcements For more information, contact John Adams, V.P., (317) 566-3254 or Jerry Shaw, Pres., (219) 674-9327 --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Soyez prudent : 90% des gens sont causes par accident. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Oct 8 00:43:28 EDT 1995 Article: 2834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmc i.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting Date: Sat, 7 Oct 1995 02:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <951007093407836@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 19 This message was from Bill Van Roekel to Multiple reci originally in conference BEE-LISTMAIL on WILDBEES (WILD BEE'S BBS) and was forwarded to you by ANDY NACHBAUR ---------------------------------------- From: Bill Van Roekel To: Multiple recipients of list BEE-L Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 08:21:14 CST Subject: Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting Organization: NCRPIS The Iowa Honey Producers annual meeting will be held on November 10 & 11 at the Starlight Village Motel in Des Moines, Iowa. I will try to post more information later, but if you are interested in attending, (and anyone with an interest in bees is more than welcome to come) e-mail me directly. A very good program of speakers on a variety of subjects is planned. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Soyez prudent : 90% des gens sont causes par accident. >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sat Nov 4 20:46:45 EST 1995 Article: 2970 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!eskimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: bee venom Date: 26 Oct 1995 03:25:11 GMT Message-ID: <126942.2400351@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 24 As to the use of Bee Venom as a therapy. Here in Washington state, one of the local beekeepers (in his 60's) has used BV the combat his arthritis. BV is supposed to stimulate the bodies production of cortizone (which is a big help in the joints) He gets about 50 bees and has them all sting in whatever joint is bothering him most He says its usually a knee or a shoulder. He started with 5 and has worked his way up to 50. He has to apply the stings about every 3 months but then he has no arthritis pain for that long. My dad had trouble with his shoulder and got a cortizone shot. It killed all pain for about 6 months. If the BV cortizone connection is correct I can see where the BV is a lot cheaper for a beekeeper. Ta Ta Evan >From Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Sat Nov 4 20:46:46 EST 1995 Article: 2971 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!eskimo!seafish!Evan_E._Twombly From: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org (Evan E. Twombly) Reply-To: Evan_E._Twombly@seafish.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Distribution: world Subject: Re: Equipment for foundation Date: 26 Oct 1995 03:41:32 GMT Message-ID: <3806388189.2454597@seafish.org> Organization: ChristianNET Lines: 13 German Romo writes >hi, does anybody know if there are any suppliers of equipment >for making foundation from beeswax? I am not interested in >equipment for large scale production. I am trying to find some new >or used inexpensive equipment to make foundation at home on a small scale. In the book KEEPING BEES by John Vivian (Williamson Publishing, Charlotte, Vermont) pages 131 to 141 tell how to make your own equipment for making a foundation die using plaster, some lumber, etc. , and a purchased piece of foundation. Total Cost $10. Evan Bonney Lake Washington >From jwg6@cornell.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:48 EST 1995 Article: 2972 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!use net From: Joel Govostes Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Harvesting in Cold Weather?? Date: 30 Oct 1995 13:49:56 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 12 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in? I've about 20 colonies still with the crop on (3-5 mediums each), which I haven't been able to get to yet. I was going to try bee escape boards if the temp. gets into the 50's F later this week. Someone offered to lend me a blower, but I don't want to lose bees by using it when it's too cool for them to fly. Any ideas? Once the colony clusters, I don't think a repellent would work. I really only have weekends to do this, and for the past month it seems to rain or be cold every time! Since I can't count on conditions warming up at this point, any tips or related experiences would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. JWG >From bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca Sat Nov 4 20:46:51 EST 1995 Article: 2973 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!z ombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.n et!agate!news.mindlink.net!line201.nwm.mindlink.net!user From: bill.fernihough@bchydro.bc.ca (bill fernihough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: INFO REQUEST:"American bee journal" ??? Date: 30 Oct 1995 00:15:32 GMT Organization: none Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <470ojh$at3@galileo.polito.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: line201.nwm.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b14.2+ The American Bee Journal is a good magazine, I have subscribed to it for about 15 years now. Contact them at 51S. 2nd Street, Hamilton, IL 62341. The price for mail with the USA is about $20 US per annum, probably more for outside the US. In article <470ojh$at3@galileo.polito.it>, villa@ALPcom.it (Stefano Villa) wrote: > I'm posting this for a friend of mine. > He's looking for information about a magazine called > -American bee journal- or something like that. > Does anyone knows somethings about it? > Subscription forms or any addres where he can get it? > Here in Italy there's no way to get information about it. > Thanks a lot. > stefano > > stefano.villa@pmn.it -- honey is sweeter than wine >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:52 EST 1995 Article: 2974 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!solaris.c c.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_ 10/95 Date: 30 Oct 1995 15:57:23 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 242 Message-ID: <472sl3$jkh@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: _Apis_ Magazine Keywords: apis _Apis_ Sanfors MAgazine Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 12, Number 10 October 1995 A STABLE POLLINATION SERVICE-A la Francaise In 1976, S.E. McGregor wrote about what he called a "stable pollination service." In the "Pollinator's Bible," Agriculture Handbook 496, USDA ARS, Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants, (see July 1995 APIS) he said: "A pollination service ...must be equally interested in the welfare of the grower and the beekeeper." And, in order to be stable, according to McGregor, a pollination service should be relatively large in scope and regional in focus. He also suggested that it be based on pollination consultants that would "give equal expression in determining the services the grower needs and the fees that the beekeeper receives." Even before the advent of the personal computer, McGregor also suggested a large-scale pollination program would lend itself to computerization. For example, he concluded: "...various grower and beekeeper locations could be fed into the computer, along with dates bees might be needed and when they are available. Then the computer could, without bias, determine the nearest or most logical beekeeper available for pollination of a specific crop." To my knowledge, we have yet to see in this country any sustained stable pollination service of the kind described by McGregor. In France, however, the idea appears to have taken hold. Dr. Bernard Vaissiere, a Texas A & M Graduate, now a pollination researcher at the Laboratoire de Pollinisation Entomophile, INRA Unite de Zoologie, 84914 Avignon Cedex 9, France, FAX (33) 90.31.62.70, Tel. (33) 90.31.61.69 (email: bernard.vaissiere@avignon.inra.fr), wrote the following in his contribution to the notes of a Workshop on Bees for Pollination, Brussels, 2-3 March, 1992: "...there was often little cooperation among the beekeepers renting colonies for pollination to define a pollination service. Indeed, the production of honey or other bee products remained the prime activity while commercial pollination was usually regarded as a side business." "...it is symptomatic," Dr. Vaissiere continued, "that the beekeeper association which claims to represent most of the commercial beekeepers calls itself the Syndicat des Producteurs de Miel Francais (French Honey Producers Association). Clearly it is a honey producing association; there is no mention of pollination. ...colonies rented to growers varied considerably among beekeepers and from season to season, depending upon the expected nectar flow and the price of honey. Colonies were usually managed with little regard to the crop to pollinate and there was little, if any, monitoring of the foraging activity at hive entrance or in the target crop once the colonies were delivered." These conditions mirror those found in much of the United States today (see March 1995 APIS). Several things occurred in France, however, that have stimulated beekeepers to take a second look at commercial pollination. In the process, they developed, what Dr. Vaissiere says is "a fairly original solution." It looks a lot like that envisioned by McGregor almost two decades ago. The first pivotal event, according to Dr. Vaissiere, was year- around availability of bumblebee colonies in southern France. In 1989, growers were given an alternative to the haphazard commercial honey bee pollination efforts of the past. Bumblebee companies used a combination of sleek marketing brochures, monitoring and replacement of defective colonies and followup observations of foraging activity in field to tap the lucrative greenhouse tomato pollination market. A monthly fee structure (instead of per colony) was instituted along with a pollination per unit area of crop. In spite of relatively high prices, growers jumped at the opportunity to take advantage of these services. Previously, the only alternative was hand pollination. Bumblebees (B. terrestris) now pollinate all commercial greenhouse tomatoes in southern France. In the latter part of 1990, honey prices declined in France. At the same time, the veterinary service in the departments (provinces) of Tarn and Garonne attempted to monitor colony movement and coordinate fluvalinate treatments for Varroa. The timing seemed propitious to consider commercial pollination as a more organized enterprise. Some ten beekeepers who knew each other and had some pollination experience joined forces. After several meetings over a period of months, the Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP (Groupement des Apiculteurs Pollinisateurs Professionels) was formed. The GRAPP association developed a set of bylaws to which each member agreed in writing. Among key provisions was a guarantee by the larger group that the maximum time span for delivery/removal of colonies after notification be 48 hours, even if an individual contracting beekeeper was unable to comply. Additional guarantees were also provided, including the sanitary condition and size of colonies. Other factors were key to the GRAPP. All members shared a strong interest in pollination and used most of their colonies in this activity. Members considered branching out into bumblebee culture, a logical next step (See July 1995 APIS), but this did not materialize. The GRAPP was also composed of "professionals"; only full-time beekeepers could join. The group insisted on a professional image and believed that including part-time beekeepers would not be profitable. In practical terms, beekeepers seeking entry had to have at least 300 colonies, be sponsored by two current members and be admitted by the majority of a five-person governing board. The board's decision was final with little chance for appeal. The Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP used marketing strategies not available to individual beekeepers. These included a brochure mailed to all growers in the region and a computer bulletin board providing information on an array of pollination questions. The GRAPP also provided growers with a free evaluation of their pollination requirements in relation to their current agricultural practices. Members were in contact with most grower organizations and gave interviews to journalists and appeared on television. Each GRAPP member joined with an established customer base, which remained with the beekeeper. New customers, however, were allocated by the secretary based on geographic location; the nearest member got first choice. All members used standard contract and billing forms. Based on bills submitted, a voluntary assessment was requested to support GRAPP activities, which included a part-time secretary and the printing of informational materials for distribution to growers. The fee structure was decided by majority vote by the general assembly (all GRAPP members) which met 4 to 5 times per year. There was a base fee for standard service; on top of this, extra charges were assessed. These included feeding colonies upon arrival, inserting pollen traps and/or implementing "flash pollination" (scheduling bees to arrive with 24 hours notice instead of 48). Of more than passing interest, the fee structure was designed to provoke growers into asking questions about the precise meaning of each possible option and advantage of its use. Although many members believed the rates were not high enough, there was optimism they could be raised once growers were familiar with the quality of service provided. A final step implemented by the Midi-Pyrenees GRAPP in 1991, according to Dr. Vaissiere was registering its name, bylaws and logo with the INPI (Institut National de la Propriete Industrielle). This meant that other organizations using the name or logo, must endorse the bylaws. These specify, among other things, that only one GRAPP exist per administrative region (22 of these exist in France). Members must agree to the definition of a pollination service adapted to each crop, including: (1) determining minimum quality standards; (2) monitoring foraging and resultant pollination; and (3) using a base fee per hive. GRAPPs are free to support any research they desire, but must share the results with all others, and apart from those mentioned above, any GRAPP can develop its own set of internal rules and/or organization. Finally, every association must agree to take part in a national body of GRAPPs to make more uniform, the language, rates and service specified in the pollination contracts. More recent information from Dr. Vaissiere indicates the GRAPP Midi-Pyrenees disbanded two years ago. There is indication, however, that it is likely to be restarted. Two others, on the other hand (GRAPP Rhone-Alpes and GRAPP Mediterranee) are active and growing. The latter had a gross income of $300,000 last year. The formation of the national organization did occur in 1994, but has yet to be fully functional. Beyond the many advantages noted above concerning GRAPPs, there exists, according to Dr. Vaissiere, a unique opportunity for these associations to define and carry out needed pollination research. As an example, consider the present differences between bumblebee and honey bee providers in France. The former charge by unit area for greenhouse tomatoes, but by colony for crops grown in the open. Honey bee providers only use the latter method. Perhaps, under the dictates of a GRAPP, honey bee keepers will also shift to charging by unit area, not only inside greenhouses, but outside in the field. This focuses on what a pollination service is all about, getting crops efficiently pollinated, not a stocking rate (number of hives/unit area), which is really only a means to pollinate. Dr. Vaissiere emphasizes that shifting from stocking rate to unit area is an important step because the relationship between forager density (bees/100 flowers) and pollination intensity (the number of conspecific pollen grains per floral stigma) is fairly close. The relationship between forager density and stocking rate, however, can fluctuate considerably based on other floral resources nearby the target crop and other environmental conditions. As long as the price of pollination is on a per/colony basis, Dr. Vaissiere says, some solution is needed to guard against the vagaries of environmental factors. The usual method, "saturating" the target areas with imported pollinators, is costly to both farmers and beekeepers. In addition, growers may not understand the subtleties involved when a neighbor gets a good crop with a stocking rate of one colony/acre while he is being charged for 5 colonies/acre for the "same" service. Finally, the saturation strategy ignores the effect of the native pollinator potential in an area and may backfire in some situations (apples, peaches) where too much fruit set is detrimental. In conclusion, Dr. Vaissiere says, it is essential that the pollination service be clearly defined and understood by both parties so it can be objectively evaluated and appropriately rewarded. Past experience show this to be unlikely with individual beekeepers. Increased exposure, visibility and capability of the GRAPP structure can provide orchard growers, seed producers and others with a better working knowledge of the pollination process. This allows farmers to better plan for adequate pollination and provides a guarantee of prompt delivery and proper management of their insect pollinator potential. With the advent of Varroa in the United States, commercial pollination has taken on a new meaning (see November 1993 APIS). The trials and tribulations of the individual beekeeper as a commercial pollinator are also well documented (See March 1995 APIS). Thus, it behooves beekeepers considering changing the focus of their enterprises toward pollination to consider the successes and failures of the French GRAPP experiment in establishing the world's first country-wide stable pollination service. For more information, interested persons can contact the president of the GRAPP Mediterranee, Jean Vilain, Les Bouletines F-13980 Alleins, Tel. 90.57.35.14; FAX 90.59.35.58. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (904) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 904-392-0190 BITNET Address: MTS@IFASGNV; INTERNET Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm -- ___________________ "I'm standing in the middle of life Adam Finkelstein with my pants behind me." adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu --Chrissie Hynde >From tvf@umich.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:53 EST 1995 Article: 2975 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!us enet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting in Cold Weather?? Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:37:24 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 22 Message-ID: <472v04$dg3@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu Joel Govostes wrote: >What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in? >I've about 20 colonies still with the crop on (3-5 mediums each), which >I haven't been able to get to yet. I was going to try bee escape boards >if the temp. gets into the 50's F later this week. Someone offered to >lend me a blower, but I don't want to lose bees by using it when it's >too cool for them to fly. Any ideas? Once the colony clusters, I don't >think a repellent would work. I really only have weekends to do this, >and for the past month it seems to rain or be cold every time! Since I >can't count on conditions warming up at this point, any tips or related >experiences would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. JWG > I have had some limited experience doing this. You are right in that fume boar ds are quite useless in cool weather. Escape boards = don't work too well either, unless there is a warm period during the day. Even so, it will take quite a long time to clear 3-5 supe= rs with escape boards in cool weather. I would go along with your friend's recommendation to use a bee blower. Set up the supers so that the bees are blown out toward the= ground in front of the hive, and they should find their way back with little d ifficulty. If the bees are clustering in the supers,= you will need patience with this method as well, since the outer shell of bees will hang on to the comb very tightly. I usually se= t the super up on end on top of a hive cover, bottom of the frames facing me an d the blower. That way I can pry the frames to the l= eft or right to give more room for the air flow between them, and dislodge the few stubborn remaining bees. >From tvf@umich.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:54 EST 1995 Article: 2976 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.u mich.edu!usenet From: Ted Fischer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: 30 Oct 1995 16:55:10 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 28 Message-ID: <47301e$dg3@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <565184462wnr@ber fa.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:565184462wnr@berfa.demon.co.uk In article: >dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) writes: >> >> Over the past month my single hive has gone from a very strong population to >> almost nothing. >> I knew I had varroa, but didn't think it was very bad, since I had a clean >> inspection in July, >> Throughout this time I had noticed yellow jackets around the hive and >> sometimes in the hive when I opened it up. I didn't think much about it, >> figuring the bees could take care of themselves. >> I saw yellow jackets carrying off large numbers of >> brood, with the bees apparently not doing anything about it. >> Three days later I checked on the hive, and yellow jackets were coming and >> going at their leisure. Nearly all of my brood was gone and 70% of my adult >> population was gone compared to what it was 3 weeks earlier. The last >>time I checked them, about a week ago, they were really >> hurting. The new brood had been raided out. >> I haven't been to the apiary since them, and I fully expect that my bees wil l >> have either been wiped out or would have absconded. >> Dave out Since misery loves company, I have a similar story to report, except that my hi ves stayed upright. This is a typical varroa attack= , in my opinion, as my hives also experienced a similar rapid population collap se, dead brood, and marauding yellow jackets and horn= ets. Some of my friends felt that the large yellow jacket populations this yea r were responsible for the destruction, but in my few= healthy hives there is no sign at all that yellow jackets can gain entrance. I think that they are opportunistic, taking advantage= of a weakened hive as would wax moths (which also have entered my varroa hives , even with a few bees left). I was amazed at how qu= ickly the strong hives of summer were reduced to a shambles! This varroa mite is a pest without equal. >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Nov 4 20:46:55 EST 1995 Article: 2977 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet .net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: INFO REQUEST:"American bee journal" ??? Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 00:08:00 GMT Message-ID: <951029221313933@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <470ojh$at3@galileo.polito.it> Lines: 39 >From: villa@ALPcom.it (Stefano Villa) >Subject: INFO REQUEST:"American bee journal" ??? V>I'm posting this for a friend of mine. >He's looking for information about a magazine called >-American bee journal- or something like that. >Does anyone knows somethings about it? >Subscription forms or any addres where he can get it? >Here in Italy there's no way to get information about it. >Thanks a lot. > stefano __________________________________________________________ (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) (//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////) /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ |.-----. FAX .-----. 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Lines: 8 Message-ID: <47338a$kge@granite.sentex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p28.gallium.sentex.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Information needed. A science student studying animal adaptations has not been able to find the answer to this question: Why are honey bees yellow and brown/black? Please answer directly to cenwell@sentex.net Subject: Kate >From rick.haver@dartmouth.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:56 EST 1995 Article: 2979 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu !magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.e du!NewsWatcher!user From: rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Furniture Wax based on Beeswax Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:43:53 -0500 Organization: VA Medical Center, White River Junction, VT Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <465sth$4d6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.189.40.20 X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b22.0+ In article <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au>, "Jeff C." wrote: > Here is a recipe for polishing wax for all interested. > > Fill saucepan ~1/2 to 1/3 full with boiling water. > Over low heat on stove add essential oil to scent the wax (~1 tbls = strong) > Add beeswax (250g) and gently melt it. > > Place saucepan in a sink filled with ~4 cm cold water. When the wax starts > solidifying on the sides of pan add 4 tbls pure gum turpentine. > (SAFETY: Wax must be cooled before adding turpentine) > > Once added mix well and then add 2 tbls cloudy ammonia. > Mixture appears to curdle. Mix well and let cool down so you can handle it. > > Line a colander or sieve with cheesecloth and put wax mixture in. > Let the water drain out > Wrap the mixture up and squeeze out more moisture. > Using hands, or a fork, squash out lumps. > Bottle your polish. > Place it in a container that you can seal to prevent it drying out. > > Remember to use lots of elbow grease. Its my recollection that beeswax does not make a good polish because of its relative softness. Carnuba is harder and better for this purpose. The softness of beeswax allows the grunge of the world to get imbedded in the layer of wax that you place on the surface of the furniture. If you're interested in making your own beeswax polish, I of course can't dissuade you. But if you want a good furniture polish, there are several commerical products would be better polishes. >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Nov 4 20:46:57 EST 1995 Article: 2980 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Student Request Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 04:25:13 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 7 Message-ID: <473u0b$gre@news.iadfw.net> References: <47338a$kge@granite.sentex.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal11-01.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 > Why are honey bees yellow and brown/black? Not all are; there are red ones, purple ones, grey ones and all are honeybees (Apis). >From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:58 EST 1995 Article: 2981 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!m agnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip2-54.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:03:26 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip2-54.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] In article Doug Inkley writes: >Path: magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swr inde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp! dinkley >From: Doug Inkley >Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle >Message-ID: >References: >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 07:30:30 -0700 (PDT) >X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org >Lines: 1 >What's the status of the queen? Could be an issue here. This whole hive was new from a package in May. New queen, new hive, new frames. New beekeeper. Dave >From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Nov 4 20:46:59 EST 1995 Article: 2982 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!m agnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!slip2-54.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 03:07:59 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <565184462wnr@ber fa.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip2-54.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] > Dr David A Gladstone writes: >>dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) writes: >> I knew I had varroa, but didn't think it was very bad, since I had a clean >> inspection in July, >We didn't think we had it either but lo and behold the spring floor scrapings >revealed the nasty little beggars - we have been vigilent and currently have t he >bayverol strips in for the six week treament - the bees are still flying in th e mild >autumn and we got 110 lbs this year - I understand that varroa has usually bee n >present for a couple or years or so before it's detected. I don't know enough about what is typical, but this was my first hive, started >from a package in May. I can guess that the varroa came from a wild swarm I caught for the lady who lets me keep my hive on her property who lost her own bees to foulbrood the previous year. I treated that swarm about 10 days after hiving it. Probably enough time to pass the mites to my bees. Too bad they can't "beam" the Apistan to you when you need it. Dave out >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Nov 4 20:47:00 EST 1995 Article: 2983 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 15:18:17 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 9 Message-ID: <47548r$ssb@news.iadfw.net> References: <565184462wnr@ber fa.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal02-06.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 >Too bad they can't "beam" the Apistan to you when you need it. Dave, .... in time! {But then, would you just want the honey "beamed" to you instead of KEEPING bees?} >From worrell@cbl.cees.edu Sat Nov 4 20:47:00 EST 1995 Article: 2984 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!gamera.cbl.cees.edu!cbl. cees.edu!worrell From: worrell@cbl.cees.edu (Gerard Worrell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: HELP! Need bees for BVT Date: 31 Oct 1995 12:53:45 GMT Organization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Lab. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <47568p$hqc@gamera.cbl.cees.edu> References: <46outr$s7b@ccnet2.ccnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cbl.cees.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] SteveStepanian (step@ccnet.com) wrote: : I have MS and have been doing Bee Venom Therapy (BVT) for 4 mos. BVT : is the only thing that's helped with my MS. My beekeeper is moving : 400 miles away and will not be able to supply me with bees. I have : been unable, so far, to find a beekeeper that wanted to be bothered or : the liabliity (there is none). I live in a condo so I can't set up my : own hive. I'm getting desperate because I've stopped all drugs (per : my doc) and without the bees I will get worse and have to start back : on drugs and the inevitable side effects. : Does anyone have any suggestions or know a willing beekeeper in my : area? I live in the East San Francisco Bay Area. I need around 250 : bees/mon. Steve, I tried to reply to the group on the weekend but my posting failed. Hope this gets thru! Greg Ferris of Ferris Apiaries sends out small quantities of bees by mail. Address is : Greg Ferris Rt 1 Box 460-H Indian Head Md 20640 1-800-787-4669 Hope this helps Jerry Worrell -- Gerard P.Worrell Beekeeper with 25 colonies (410)257-3267 Dunkirk,MD USA Pres. Assoc. of Southern MD Beekeepers Life member MD State Beekeepers Association,VP for Calvert Co. >From MEgloff@CSC.Com Sat Nov 4 20:47:01 EST 1995 Article: 2985 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!explorer.csc.com!usenet From: Mark Egloff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: 31 Oct 1995 13:41:43 GMT Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 30 Message-ID: <47592n$a3f@explorer.csc.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: megloff.dayton.csc.com > Your story mirrored the story of my hives last year. At the end of August 1994 I had 6 strong hives moving purposefully toward winter. By the end of September, I had one left that was just on the edge and didn't make it through the winter. Don't feel bad. I have spent the last 4 years losing hives to the winter and my own lack of experience. This year I said "no way". I ordered packages in January for delivery in April. On Apr 6 I installed them, inserted Apistran, Terrapatties, Syrup with Fumidile and Menthol. I continued to feed them until they stopped taking syrup , pulled the medicines and strips on June 1 and added supers. I decided that I w as going to sacrifice the fall flows in order to ensure that the bees were kept st rong so on Aug 1, I pulled 4 medium supers of honey, inserted strips and medicines, and started watching for signs of weakness. It didn't happen. They stayed strong all fall. I watched them gang up on the few YJ that explored their entrance. Throughout August and September they did their thing. Strips were pulled on September 25. The hives are now sitting with three deeps, the top two full of honey. I am hoping that this year will be different than the last 4. My only concern is that I pulled strips on Sept 25, now it is the first of November and I am wondering if I need to reinstall the strips for the winter . Mark Egloff Note: I have been told (and I cannot vouch for the reliability of the information) that if the YJ can gain access to a weak hive, they pick up the hive scent and are not challenged on subsequent visits. I dunno, but I had the same problem with YJ coming and going at will last year in late August and September. m. >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Nov 4 20:47:02 EST 1995 Article: 2986 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca! uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting in Cold Weather?? Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 07:32:00 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 29 Message-ID: <1744869F6S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> Joel Govostes writes: > >What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in? >... >can't count on conditions warming up at this point, any tips or related >experiences would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. JWG > You will find that the bees have clustered in the brood chambers and removing the honey supers should br fairly easy. It's most likely that you will only find bees in the super closest to the brood chambers and that all the remaining supers will be void of bees. At this point in the season when warm weather is the exception, not the rule you will probably be better off robbing/harvesting on a cold day rather than hoping and waiting for something warm. It would be nice to have a rain free weekend, eh? But all this rain certainly has helped the drought conditions. Would that the rains came during forage season! You should be warry of varroa. If you still have supers on I assume you have not treated. Varroa is a REAL problem in the Ithaca area (as it is in most if not all of New York). You should test and treat if necessary, after you harvest your crop. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Vice President, Southern Adirondack Beekeepers' Association A New York Beekeeper, about 150 miles northeast of Ithaca Round Lake, New York (7 miles South of Saratoga) >From nextug@ac.dal.ca Sat Nov 4 20:47:03 EST 1995 Article: 2987 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.interlog .com!ra.isisnet.com!usenet From: nextug@ac.dal.ca Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A FREE 1 YR. MAGAZINE SUB SENT WORLDWIDE Date: 31 Oct 1995 16:21:03 GMT Organization: Chebucto Community Net Lines: 26 Message-ID: <475idf$miv@ra.isisnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccn.cs.dal.ca All forgeries: Send your complaints to: This is what I wrote: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I draw your attention to the following post made by your user . This post is blantantly commercial and was made to a non-commercial newsgroup, sci.agriculture.beekeeping. It is completely off-topic since sci.agriculture.beekeeping concerns itself solely with Beekeeping simulations and not with magazine subscriptions. You will also note that it was prolificaly cross-posted to many other newsgroups for which it is also off-topic. I trust you will take appropriate disciplinary action and that you will inform me as to the results of this. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Christopher Majka -- Christopher Majka -- Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada Internet: & Home Page: URL = http://www.ccn.cs.dal.ca/~aa051/Profile.html >From dinkley@igc.apc.org Sat Nov 4 20:47:04 EST 1995 Article: 2988 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uw m.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!dinkley From: Doug Inkley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Message-ID: References: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 06:43:48 -0800 (PST) X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org Lines: 4 Dave, New hive, new queen, etc.........but with the hive falling over and being moved , has the qued has the queen perhaps been killed? Either seeing the queen or new brood would confirm she is oka confirm she is okay. >From joanne Sat Nov 4 20:47:04 EST 1995 Article: 2989 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!u senet@lcs.mit.edu From: Joanne Talbot Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it) Date: 31 Oct 1995 20:13:30 GMT Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Lines: 6 Message-ID: <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: dove.lcs.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Hi, Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb? A professor is looking for one for the cover of her new book in computer science. It shouldn't have any bee's in it.... Thanks much, Joanne >From joanne Sat Nov 4 20:47:05 EST 1995 Article: 2990 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!grapevine.lcs.mit.edu!u senet@lcs.mit.edu From: Joanne Talbot Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Photography of a honeycomb -- my email address is included here... Date: 31 Oct 1995 20:16:08 GMT Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science Lines: 4 Message-ID: <476068$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: dove.lcs.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) To: joanne@theory.lcs.mit.edu X-URL: news:sci.agriculture.beekeeping Hi, Please send email to joanne@theory.lcs.mit.edu if you know of a photograph of a honeycomb...Thanks again. >From fredg@triode.apana.org.au Sat Nov 4 20:47:06 EST 1995 Article: 2991 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.mona sh.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!goliath.apana.org.au!triode.apana .org.au!news From: Fredrick Gruber Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Raw Propolis - market required Date: 31 Oct 1995 21:45:49 GMT Organization: APANA - Australian Public Access Network Association Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4765ed$fis@triode.apana.org.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2.triode.apana.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: bennett@wave.com.nz How many 15kg boxes of propolis have you got and what price are you asking for each? Fredrick. >From fredg@triode.apana.org.au Sat Nov 4 20:47:07 EST 1995 Article: 2992 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.mona sh.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!inferno.mpx.com.au!goliath.apana.org.au!triode.apana .org.au!news From: Fredrick Gruber Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: (no subject) Date: 31 Oct 1995 21:49:11 GMT Organization: APANA - Australian Public Access Network Association Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4765kn$fis@triode.apana.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup2.triode.apana.org.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Hi all, I want to buy trigona bees. I am offering a $30.00 spotters fee for each hive to anyone in Sydney Australia. Can anyone help? Fredrick >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Nov 4 20:47:08 EST 1995 Article: 2993 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it) Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 05:56:53 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 14 Message-ID: <476no7$53v@news.iadfw.net> References: <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal10-04.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Joanne Talbot wrote: >Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb? I have a great picture of a honeycomb. I'm no photographer, but this picture turned out great! The light caught the comb just perfect and the comb appears translucent (by accident, I assure you!). It is a color picture and the cells are primarily two different colors. No adult bees are in the picture but in the bottom of the cells you can detect the young larva (if you know thats what you're looking at). No cells are capped over yet; all are open so you see the hex shape clearly. Its a standard 35mm photo. Let me know if you're interested, it would take some time to find the negative. >From MEgloff@CSC.Com Sat Nov 4 20:47:09 EST 1995 Article: 2994 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!ex plorer.csc.com!usenet From: Mark Egloff Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: (no subject) Date: 1 Nov 1995 20:56:30 GMT Organization: Computer Sciences Corporation Lines: 4 Message-ID: <478mtu$ijr@explorer.csc.com> References: <4765kn$fis@triode.apana.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: megloff.dayton.csc.com > I want to buy trigona bees. > What is a trigona bee? Mark Egloff >From pollinator@aol.com Sat Nov 4 20:47:09 EST 1995 Article: 2995 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com !newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it) Date: 1 Nov 1995 13:34:25 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 20 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <478ejh$61v@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU>, Joanne Talbot writes: >Subject: Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it) >From: Joanne Talbot >Date: 31 Oct 1995 20:13:30 GMT > >Hi, >Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb? >A professor is looking for one for the cover of her new >book in computer science. It shouldn't have any bee's in it.... >Thanks much, Joanne Microsoft Windows has a photo of honeycomb in the Clip Art section. I don't know if all versions have it, but that shouldn't be too hard to track down. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From britton.4@osu.edu Sat Nov 4 20:47:10 EST 1995 Article: 2996 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!CTCnet!newsf eed.pitt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!salliemae!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.n et!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!news From: "Constance J. Britton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Attention: Ohio and Alabama Beekeepers Date: 2 Nov 1995 13:43:36 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University/OARDC Lines: 16 Message-ID: <47ahu8$hv1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: libcsb.oardc.ohio-state.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: tew.1@osu.edu If you are an Internet beekeeper from Ohio or Alabama, please communicate with me directly for more information concerning organizational beekeeping activities in Ohio and Alabama. If you know of other beekeepers who have e-mail addresses in these two states, but may not see this note, please forward their address to me for a one-time message to them. Please respond to Tew.1@osu.edu and not to the net. Thanks. Jim Tew James E. Tew Tew.1@osu.edu Department of Entomology (216)263-3684 OARDC/The Ohio State University (216)264-1124 Wooster OH 44691 FAX (216)262-2720 >From m-15870@mailbox.swipnet.se Sat Nov 4 20:47:11 EST 1995 Article: 2997 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiu c.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news00.sunet .se!sunic!mn6.swip.net!mn5.swip.net!usenet From: m-15870@mailbox.swipnet.se Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Russian pure bee wax for sale! Date: 2 Nov 1995 14:45:30 GMT Organization: - Lines: 15 Message-ID: <47alia$lht@mn5.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup96-107.swipnet.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Russian pure bee wax for sale! ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------- MHITAB Phone: +46 8 30 77 00 Sveavaegen 49 Fax: +46 8 34 00 60 S-11359 Stockholm Telex: 17010 Mhitab SWEDEN E-mail: trade@mhitab.se Explore our home page at URL: http://www.algonet.se/~mhitab ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------- >From lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu Sat Nov 4 20:47:12 EST 1995 Article: 2998 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl !purdue!yuma!bjostad1.agsci.colostate.edu!user From: lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu (Lou Bjostad) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Locating photograph of a honeycomb (without bee's in it) Date: 2 Nov 1995 17:38:26 GMT Organization: Colorado State University Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: bjostad1.agsci.colostate.edu In article <47601a$4at@GRAPEVINE.LCS.MIT.EDU>, Joanne Talbot wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know of a colored photograph of a honeycomb? > A professor is looking for one for the cover of her new > book in computer science. It shouldn't have any bee's in it.... > Thanks much, Joanne See the following: http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/Entomology/images/kbees.gif >from the public-domain Smithsonian collection. ===================================================================== Lou Bjostad, Fort Collins, Colorado lbjostad@lamar.colostate.edu ===================================================================== >From BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com Sat Nov 4 20:47:15 EST 1995 Article: 2999 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!perkin-elmer.com!usenet From: BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com (Andrew P. Bajorinas) Subject: Beekeeping in CT Message-ID: Sender: usenet@netlink.perkin-elmer.com Nntp-Posting-Host: bajoriap.perkin-elmer.com Reply-To: BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com Organization: Perkin-Elmer Corp X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 17:43:33 GMT Lines: 21 I would like to contact a beekeeper on Connecticut. Somewhere in Western Connecticut would be nice. I am looking to buy some un-processed honey in significant quantities (gallons). Andy Bajorinas BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ | Andrew P. Bajorinas | These opinions are my own and | | BajoriAP@Perkin-Elmer.com | not those of my employer. | | Sr. Engineer |-------------------------------| | Perkin-Elmer Corp, Norwalk, CT | A cat is not a wavefunction. | |________________________________|_______________________________| . >From dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Sat Nov 4 20:47:15 EST 1995 Article: 3000 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.emf.net!overload .lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state. edu!slip8-16.acs.ohio-state.edu!dstamper From: dstamper@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (David M. Stamper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hive losing the battle Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 02:13:33 GMT Organization: The Ohio State University Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip8-16.acs.ohio-state.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] > Doug Inkley writes: >Dave, >New hive, new queen, etc.........but with the hive falling over and being move d, has the qued >has the queen perhaps been killed? Either seeing the queen or new brood would confirm she is oka >confirm she is okay. I did not find the queen, but I did find eggs three days after I put the hive back together. Anyway, the point is moot, since I went today to put the hive into storage. No bees, but full of yellow jackets. I put the hive body into a garbage bag, yellow jackets and all, and etherized 'em. Seldom have I had such satisfaction in killing something. There must have been at least 300 in a single hive body. There's always next year. Besides, I got about 50-60 lbs of honey from a 2 pound package my first year beekeeping. Not too shabby, by my way of thinking. Dave out. >From sasrys@sting.unx.sas.com Sat Nov 4 20:47:16 EST 1995 Article: 3001 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!s as!mozart.unx.sas.com!sasrys From: sasrys@sting.unx.sas.com (Roger Sanders) Subject: Re: Furniture Wax based on Beeswax Originator: sasrys@sting.unx.sas.com Sender: news@unx.sas.com (Noter of Newsworthy Events) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 12:22:02 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sting.unx.sas.com References: <465sth$4d6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au> < rick.haver-3010951543530001@130.189.40.20> Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Lines: 55 In article , rick.haver@dartmouth.ed u (Rick Haver) writes: |> From: rick.haver@dartmouth.edu (Rick Haver) |> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping |> Subject: Re: Furniture Wax based on Beeswax |> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 15:43:53 -0500 |> Organization: VA Medical Center, White River Junction, VT |> Lines: 32 |> Message-ID: |> References: <465sth$4d6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au > |> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.189.40.20 |> X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b22.0+ |> |> In article <46q1kh$1jb@manuel.anu.edu.au>, "Jeff C." |> wrote: |> |> > Here is a recipe for polishing wax for all interested. |> > |> > Fill saucepan ~1/2 to 1/3 full with boiling water. |> > Over low heat on stove add essential oil to scent the wax (~1 tbls = stron g) |> > Add beeswax (250g) and gently melt it. |> > |> > Place saucepan in a sink filled with ~4 cm cold water. When the wax starts |> > solidifying on the sides of pan add 4 tbls pure gum turpentine. |> > (SAFETY: Wax must be cooled before adding turpentine) |> > |> > Once added mix well and then add 2 tbls cloudy ammonia. |> > Mixture appears to curdle. Mix well and let cool down so you can handle it . |> > |> > Line a colander or sieve with cheesecloth and put wax mixture in. |> > Let the water drain out |> > Wrap the mixture up and squeeze out more moisture. |> > Using hands, or a fork, squash out lumps. |> > Bottle your polish. |> > Place it in a container that you can seal to prevent it drying out. |> > |> > Remember to use lots of elbow grease. |> |> Its my recollection that beeswax does not make a good polish because of |> its relative softness. Carnuba is harder and better for this purpose. The |> softness of beeswax allows the grunge of the world to get imbedded in the |> layer of wax that you place on the surface of the furniture. If you're |> interested in making your own beeswax polish, I of course can't dissuade |> you. But if you want a good furniture polish, there are several commerical |> products would be better polishes. Good Point !! All recipes that I have seen call for adding Carnuba wax. I have made polish before with one of these recipes and was quite happy with the results. Brushy Mountain Bee Farm (1-800-BEESWAX) sells recipes, Carnuba wax, small round polish tins, and labels if anyone is interested. Roger E. Sanders N.C. Master Craftsman Beekeeper >From Drmobius@cris.com Sat Nov 4 20:47:17 EST 1995 Article: 3002 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news1.cris.com!viking.cr is.com!Drmobius From: Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wood Preservation Date: 3 Nov 1995 23:28:13 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <47e8id$sn8@spectator.cris.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: viking.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Can Thompson's Wood sealer be used on beeware. I think it is a silicone based water proofing. As far as I can tell it doesn't appear to have any insecticidal properties. I don't want to use pressure treated lumber because of the arsenic. I read in _Hive & Honey Bee_ that some beekeepers use a boiling lye solution to sterilize equipment from AFB spores. Wouldn't chlorine bleach or a disinfectant like Lysol work? Seems a bit safer. tim >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Nov 5 19:41:27 EST 1995 Article: 3003 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood Preservation Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 17:21:20 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 39 Message-ID: <47g0g1$9r@news.iadfw.net> References: <47e8id$sn8@spectator.cris.com> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-30.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) wrote: >Can Thompson's Wood sealer be used on beeware I'd say yes. But I use 'Boiled Linseed Oil.' I've used both products before and I think Linseed Oil is better for bee equipment. Use only one coat if you're going to paint over it. I coat frames, boxes and all with Linseed Oil. Just bee sure to allow enough time for it to dry (it can take two or three weeks to dry). >I read in _Hive & Honey Bee_ that some beekeepers use a boiling lye >solution to sterilize equipment from AFB spores. I have a copy of this book & I'd like to know where it says that this technique will 'sterilize' equipment from AFB. This is not correct! I'd like to look it up and write to the author of that section. Neither lye or bleach will 'sterilize' the equipment against AFB. The only way to "kill" AFB spores (at least approved in the US) is by using ethylene oxide. And there aren't many of these machines around. Reference page, 1090 of the "The Hive and the Honey Bee" (1992, revised edition). I have used hot lye water to clean boxes and frames for some time now and without any problems. You just need to be careful, but you'd need to be careful using hot bleach water too! (Or HOT water in general). Most all large grocery stores have lye; its in the section containing 'drain openers'. There are several brands availabe but a common one I see is called Red Devil. I use a large metal wash tub over a charcole fire (in a cut in half 55-gal drum). I heat the water to boiling on my kitchen stove and then pour that into the wash tub. The charcole fire may not get the water hot enough to boil but it will keep it hot enough to clean your equipment. Notice, I said 'clean' the equipment, not sterilize it. I use rubber gloves, protective plastic glasses (eyes) and a bathroom toilet brush (new, of course!) :-) Its probably not worth going to all this trouble if you don't have a few hundred frames to clean. Cheers.... >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Nov 5 19:41:28 EST 1995 Article: 3004 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Cleaning Metal Queen Excluders Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 17:50:09 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 5 Message-ID: <47g25v$9r@news.iadfw.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-30.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 If you use metal queen excluders and the ladies have built it full of burr comb; a really quick way to clean these is to use one of the small hand held propane torches or your solar wax melter. >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sun Nov 5 19:41:29 EST 1995 Article: 3005 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beeswax Candle Molds? Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 17:53:59 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 2 Message-ID: <47g2d5$9r@news.iadfw.net> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal03-30.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 How do you make 'em? >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sun Nov 5 19:41:30 EST 1995 Article: 3006 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!holonet!colossus.holonet .net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re Iowa Honey Producers Meeting Date: Sat, 4 Nov 1995 02:15:00 GMT Message-ID: <951104073705957@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 57 *FYI* OFF THE B-LIST* From: Bill Van Roekel Date: Fri, 3 Nov 1995 16:44:12 CST Subject: Re Iowa Honey Producers Meeting Organization: NCRPIS I'm sorry this is so late, and although it is not bee biology, there are scientists involved. I will abbreviate. Iowa Honey Producers Annual Meeting Starlite Best Western Motel , Des Moines, Iowa Nov. 10 8:00Reg. $10 members $20 Family 8:45 Announcements 8:50 President's Welcome Paul Goossen 9:15 Dealing with Africanized Bees and Varroa in S. Texas Dr. Frank Eischen 11:00 Rpt from Ia. Apiary Bureau Bob Cox 11:00 Cooking w/honey entries due 1:30 De apibus semper dubutandum est("You can never tell with bees" >from Winnie the Pooh) Leo Stattelman 2:15Cooking contest results 2:30 IHPA business meeting 3:30 Science Fair Project-Winter protection and survival of honey bee colonies. Carol Fassbinder 4:00 Local area crop reports 4:30 Refractometer Calibrating Session (bring your own refractometer) Bob Cox 7:00 pm Banquet - State fair awards Speaker Richard Adee " Inside Adee Honey Farms" Banquet is not included in registration fee(but I don't know how much it is ) Sat. Nov. 11 8:00 Visit vendors 9:00 The Politics of Beekeeping and how it affects honey prices Richard Adee 10:00 Break 10:15 Uncovering the history of Iowa Beekeeping Richard Trump 11:00 National Honey Board Larry Krause (producer member from Riverton, Wyoming) 12:00 lunch 1:00 Fumbling for answers to Cantaloupe Pollination Questions Dr. Frank Eischen 2:00 Honey cooking demo Mindy Okerberg 3:00 Adjurn You do not have to be a member to attend, but registration will be slightly higher. This annual meeting always has something for everyone interested in beekeeping, not the least of which is spending time with about 100 Iowa beekeepers. If you have the opportunity I highly recomend this meeting. Bill Van Roekel Central Iowa nc7jr@ars-grin.gov --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ This ì”ì tagline has ì”ì a few ì”ì bees in it... >From NateS@svi.org Sun Nov 5 19:41:30 EST 1995 Article: 3007 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!agate!new s.Stanford.EDU!smart1.svi.org!jeniti From: Nate Saal Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Candle Molds? Date: 5 Nov 1995 01:34:37 GMT Organization: Smart Valley, Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <47h4bd$koh@smart1.svi.org> References: <47g2d5$9r@news.iadfw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: gypsy.svi.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) I've never made a wax mold myself, but here is what I would do if I did want to: 1) Take some wax and mold it into the figure, shape, object you want. 2) Mix enough plaster to submerge the entire wax object (You could do this in a milk carton or what container you don't mind riping apart). 3) Drill a 1/4 to 1/2 inch hole in the *bottom* of the figure until you hit the wax inside (this is the hole for pouring the melted wax into the mold). 4) Cut the mold along the length of the figure with a thin-bladed saw (be careful not to crack the plaster). 5) Remove or melt out the wax that remains in the mold. 6) Sand/shape the two halves until there is a nice fit with no leaks To make candles with the mold, you tape or secure a piece of candle wick down the middle of one half of the mold (you might have to cut a slight groove into this half of the mold for the wick to sit in). Secure the two halves together and you should be set to go. You might have to coat the inside of the mold if the wax sticks (does anyone know?). Granted this is a rough way to do it, but it should work and won't cost much. ------------------------------------- Name: Nate Saal E-mail: Nate Saal ------------------------------------- >From zap@mhv.net Sun Nov 5 19:41:31 EST 1995 Article: 3008 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!usenet From: zap@mhv.net (zapper) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need info on getting started Date: 5 Nov 1995 00:51:03 GMT Organization: Loyal Order of Cheese Whiz Lines: 6 Message-ID: <47h1pn$luq@over.mhv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ulster-port26.mhv.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 I am interested in getting started in beekeeping and know nothing at all about it...anyone recomend any books, FAQ's, etc... comments welcome. zapper >From mjensen@crl.com Sun Nov 5 19:41:32 EST 1995 Article: 3009 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!news.kei.com!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!NewsWatch er!user From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Candle Molds? Date: Sat, 04 Nov 1995 20:02:26 -0800 Organization: Double J Apiaries Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <47g2d5$9r@news.iadfw.net> <47h4bd$koh@smart1.svi.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl3.crl.com X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27+ In article <47h4bd$koh@smart1.svi.org>, Nate Saal wrote: > 2) Mix enough plaster to submerge the entire wax object (You could do this > in a milk carton or what container you don't mind riping apart). Two part silicone rubber works much better than plaster and has the advantage of being flexible and easy to remove from the wax candle. Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com >From 100662.2434@CompuServe.COM Wed Nov 8 10:39:01 EST 1995 Article: 3010 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!news.pr oduction.compuserve.com!news From: Brian Gapco <100662.2434@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honeybee Hood Ornament? Date: 5 Nov 1995 14:27:56 GMT Organization: Bismark Schlachtschiffe KG Lines: 7 Message-ID: <47ihlc$kad$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Does anyone know of a classic car that had a "streamlined" honeybee as a hood ornament? Rumor has it that it was Italian, pre-WW2 TIA, Brian >From amschelp@pe.net Wed Nov 8 10:39:02 EST 1995 Article: 3011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!usenet From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Harvesting in Cold Weather?? Date: 5 Nov 1995 16:02:24 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <47in6g$cgc@nfs1.pe.net> References: <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 In article <472l64$pcu@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>, Joel Govostes wrote: >What's the best way to remove full supers after cold weather sets in? I had that problem as it gets cool even here in the Golden State at this time of the year. I would not touch any frames on which there are bees in their warming positions on top of each other. I have to do my beekeeping duties on the weekend also, and two weekends ago we extracted in cool weather. It is probably colder where you live but the same temp. in our respective houses. Anyway, after the frames warmed up pretty well inside, I put them in my little two frame extractor and aimed the hair dryer into the extractor and the honig was pretty manageable. Oh? You have 20 colonies? What do I know about handling 20 colonies on the weekend? Nothing. >From dag@berfa.demon.co.uk Wed Nov 8 10:39:03 EST 1995 Article: 3012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utex as.edu!usc!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!dispatch.news.demon. net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!relay-4.mail.demon.net From: Dr David A Gladstone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wood Preservation Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 15:53:04 GMT Organization: None Lines: 58 Message-ID: <395339745wnr@berfa.demon.co.uk> References: <47e8id$sn8@spectator.cris.com> Reply-To: dag@berfa.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: relay-4.mail.demon.net X-Broken-Date: Sunday, Nov 05, 1995 15.53.04 In article: <47e8id$sn8@spectator.cris.com> Drmobius@cris.com (Alex Kooney) wr ites: > > Can Thompson's Wood sealer be used on beeware. I think it is a silicone > based water proofing. As far as I can tell it doesn't appear to have any > insecticidal properties. I don't want to use pressure treated lumber > because of the arsenic. > > I read in _Hive & Honey Bee_ that some beekeepers use a boiling lye > solution to sterilize equipment from AFB spores. Wouldn't chlorine > bleach or a disinfectant like Lysol work? Seems a bit safer. > > > tim > You could write or e-mail to the manufacturer but they might not know in which case would you really want to go near the stuff yourself let alone expose your bees to it. Chlorine bleach would affect your breathing what makes you think that your bees would not be similarly affected. I believe that Lysol is a quarternary ammonium iodide product which should be s afe but you should check for a more authouritive answer. I sterilise my hives with a blow torch. I have a spare set and so I can steril ise that with the torch while inspecting for damage etc. NB keep a bucket of water handy because any residual wax can burst into flames. I do not know Thompson's Wood sealer and so I cannot give a definitive answer f or that product but you when I was faced with a similar dilema I recalled my early days in a food laboratory when testing for insecticides etc. This was before the da ys of modern instrumental chemistry and we used a quick and dirty pre-screening. We kept a stock of fruit flies and if they died when exposed to an extract form the sampl e under analysis this indicated a pesticide. (the flies were kept in excellent conditions and were given extra rations of broth at Christmas, sometimes they g ot a small tot of rum so please dont acuse me of cruel animal experiments) I tried the same sort of experiment when selecting a water based preservative f or my hive. I painted a small piece of wood and allowed it to dry for 2-3 days. I p laced it in a jar with about 10 fruit flies which I had captured (not as easy as it s eems). In a second jar I set up a control with no wood. I placed some porridge (cooke d) in each jar and let them get on with it. I observed them every day for about a we ek after which time I judged that it was safe to paint the spare hive. I allowed about a week for the paint to dry and any fumes to evaporate before puting the bits i nto use. I guess that the points to look out for are (a) not to paint the hive while it is occupied, they try to help and will get their feet stuck!(b) to allow a week or so to dry and (c) test the paint on some volunteers first and a few fruit flies are c heaper than a hive of bees. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr David A Gladstone EMail dag@berfa.demon.co.uk "We dance round in a ring and suppose, But the Secret sits in the middle and knows." (Robert Frost The Secret Sits.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From meaderyman@delphi.com Wed Nov 8 10:39:04 EST 1995 Article: 3014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!elvis.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Robert Allen Stevens Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Russian pure bee wax for sale! Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 18:48:38 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <47alia$lht@mn5.swip.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: bos1e.delphi.com X-To: Please contact me directly with information on price and quality of container loads of beeswax you have for sale. Thank-you. >From mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com Wed Nov 8 10:39:05 EST 1995 Article: 3015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!psuvax1!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic .net!news.midplains.net!gw2.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) Subject: Drones in November Message-ID: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: mvuts.mv.att.com Organization: AT&T Distribution: usa Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 17:31:13 GMT Lines: 16 Shouldn't all the drones be gone by now? I have two hives in the back yard, in southern New Hampshire USA and one still has drones. The hive acts very normal with a slight buzz when first opened (Top cover comes off) and the bees raise their hind ends as to sting but then they quiet right down and go about their business. It appears to be queenright although I am reluctant to go down inside. Activity is good weather permitting. However I see a few drones, not as large as they should be but drone shaped and bulky. Size wise they are between a worker and a real summer time party boy. Am I alone? Dave Verville Plaistow, NH USA att!mvtowers!mvdfv >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Wed Nov 8 10:39:06 EST 1995 Article: 3016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!holonet!c olossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee sting immunity in people and skunks Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 14:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <951107170117971@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 118 *Some good information off the b-list From: Jerry J Bromenshenk Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 18:42:20 -0700 Subject: Bee sting immunity in people and skunks Like several recent postings, the split/splitless debate seems to have dominated the discussion, when the original request was for people to contact Allen. In an attempt to start a different thread, I'd like to go back to the postings about people and bee allergies and skunks and bee predation. A good discussion of allergies occurs in Justen Schmidt's chapter (no. 27) in the most recent version of the Hive and the Honey Bee. I agree with most of what Justin says, but differ on a couple of points. To the best of our knowledge, no one starts out allergic to bee stings, that develops after one or more stings. Most people seem to go one way or the other, either you get less sensitive or more sensitive. Lots of references will explain this to you. The more interesting aspects to me are the differences seen in individual responses and the work done by one of our Missoula allergists, Dr. Bell, who has some evidence that allergies to bees tend to be more common in the family members of beekeepers than in the general population (even if the family members do not work with the bees). In my own case, I am allergic to just about everything except bee stings. As a child growing up on a farm, I couldn't drive past a green alfalfa field without wheezing. Took five years of desensitizing shots (yep, I was one of the earliest test cases for this procedure back in the 50's) before I became halfway functional. However, after 20 years of bee stings, I rarely swell, even if stung on the wrists or eyelid - worst case is a slightly tired looking eye. Most stings do not even hurt, pain ranges from a slight prick to nothing (especially in my forearms), although a direct hit on a nerve ending still hurts like heck. On the other extreme is one of my students who I will call R.A. R.A. is a young woman who has worked for me for three years. She is very gentle with the bees and likes to work with them. After 3 or 4 stings spread across an entire summer, R.A. developed one of the worst cases of sensitivity to bee stings that Dr. Bell had seen (at least as evidenced by the skin test). She wanted to keep working bees, so last winter, she took the whole venom de-sensitizing shots. This spring, she went back to work. She keeps an adrenaline kit handy, but hasn't had to use it. The reason I mention this is that many doctors and even Justin recommend not getting the shots. Among my colleagues, one who does field work in remote areas also became hypersensitive, took the shots, and is now okay, although he needs occassional booster shots. On the other hand, one of our beekeepers has two teenagers, both became allergic, both got the shots, one can work bees, the other can't. The reason for this lengthy discourse is to comment on the people who are allergic but work bees with an adrenaline kit close at hand. Personally, having seen what a severe reaction can do and how fast (and I have experienced them personally, not from bee stings, but from other allergies), I would not take the risk. I don't enjoy bees so much that I would risk my life. On the other hand, I think anyone who wants to work around bees or to enjoy the out-of-doors without fears of stinging insects and who is allergic should seriously consider the de-sensitizing shots. For me, the peace of mind (and the lack of allergy symptoms) is well worth the bother and the expense. And yes, they are expensive, in part because so few people get them (the old supply and demand equation). So what does this have to do with skunks? Yep, here in Montana, skunks eat bees. I have seen them do it, have even been known to re-locate, and once dispatched one (for research purposes, you understand). Liz, they aren't blinded nor is there any evidence that they can't smell with a nose full of stingers. Do they get stung? Yes!! Lots of stings, and not just externally, you can find stingers in the mouth and throat and I suspect even farther down the G.I. tract. Doesn't seem to bother them much. They come each night to the same hives, scratch at the entrances, wait till the bees flood out, and start licking them up. Looks like when things get really hot and heavy they move over to the next hive. But maybe they just decide to try some other bees. Worst part is that every evening just about dusk you can count on your skunk to repeat the process. If left unchecked, I have seen a skunk decimate strong hives. You can always tell which are the favorites, scratches on the front of the hive, generally digging in the dirt just in front of the hive, fecal pellets full of bees. Now for the academic question. Are these skunks naturally resistant to bee stings, or do they like bees so much that they keep eating them. If a skunk becomes hypersensitive, it probably dies in the bushes. If the skunk goes the other way, well things should just get better. However, even with my high degree of immunity, bees just don't seem that tasty, but then again, I'm not a skunk. The question is: Why don't bee stings bother skunks? (or at least these stings don't cause enough of a problem to deter them from eating bees) If skunks are naturally resistant to bee stings, I don't remember seeing any data to support this nor any explaination of a mechanism. If skunks are borne resistant to bee stings, could that knowledge bee used to protect humans? Anyway, if anyone has any factual information concerning this issue, I'd like to know about it. You can post your comments to me, or to the list if you have an answer. Thanks Jerry J. Bromenshenk The University of Montana jjbmail@selway.umt.edu P.S. After 24 years of bee research, I guess I have to confess to being one of those academics lurking on this server. >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Wed Nov 8 10:39:07 EST 1995 Article: 3017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ne ws.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in November Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 03:50:42 GMT Organization: Internet America Lines: 17 Message-ID: <47p2fs$6oe@news.iadfw.net> References: Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal15-12.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) wrote: >Shouldn't all the drones be gone by now? >Am I alone? Dave, You're not alone. I was just in my hives pulling the Apistan Strips out and noticed a few drones. Not many but a few. My guess is that these were the last ones raised in the colony and they just haven't been *eliminated* yet. (women always love that story about how the ladies get rid of the useless males and just grow more males when they need 'em). I noticed that I only saw a few drones in my strongest hives (i.e., the hives with the most stored honey and a strong healthy worker population). >From mjensen@crl.com Wed Nov 8 10:39:08 EST 1995 Article: 3018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nn tp.crl.com!NewsWatcher!user From: mjensen@crl.com (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Drones in November Date: Tue, 07 Nov 1995 19:55:30 -0800 Organization: Double J Apiaries Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <47p2fs$6oe@news.iadfw.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: Value-Added NewsWatcher 2.0b27+ In article <47p2fs$6oe@news.iadfw.net>, busykngt@mail.airmail.net wrote: > mvdfv@mvuts.mv.att.com (-verville d.f.) wrote: > > >Shouldn't all the drones be gone by now? > >Am I alone? > Dave, > You're not alone. I was just in my hives pulling > the Apistan Strips out and noticed a few drones. One of the effects of varroa, especially if the strips did not happen to get inserted directly down between actual brood (for example placed in a second story which is completely full of honey) is that the varroasis can proceed to the point where the queen becomes a drone layer, and some small drones start appearing. You know you have problems if any of these drones have deformed wings. Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mjensen@crl.com >From dcleaves@mitre.org Wed Nov 8 10:39:08 EST 1995 Article: 3019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech2!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs .umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!eff!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!usen et From: David Cleaves Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FS: "Beekeeping in the Midwest" Date: 7 Nov 1995 19:35:38 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 11 Message-ID: <47ocea$9to@linus.mitre.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: m21812-pc.mitre.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) I currently have for sale a nice copy of "Beekeeping in the Midwest" by Elbert R. Jaycox, published in 1981 by the University of Illinois. The 169 page book is in great condition with clean pages and no page tears. The yellow card covers do have a previous owners signature inside the front cover. The book covers all aspects of colony life, beekeeping equipment, seasonal management, and techniques. If interested, the book is available for $5 plus $2 postage. Please email to "dcleaves@mitre.org" if you would like any additional info. Thanks, and best regards. Dave >From pete1960@net2.intserv.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:48 EST 1996 Article: 3431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.cais.net!netaxs.com!usene t From: pete1960@net2.intserv.com (Peter Gentile) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees with Varroa mites Date: 22 Jan 1996 18:38:03 GMT Organization: Net Access - Philadelphia's Internet Connection Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4e0lib$1mj@netaxs.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: net32.intserv.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Keywords: bees, varroa mites, hyperthermia, cure X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3 In article , netrom@find2.dbc.bib.dk says... > > >Okay, I admit it, I'm stunned. I never expected to find a newsgroup >dedicated to beekeeping. Anyway, I am posting this letter for a friends, >friends father, who seems to be looking for places to get in contact >with other beekeepers (if I interpret the note correct). > If the existance of this newsqroups stuns you, you'll be shocked by the vast amount of state, local, national and internationl beekeeping associations, clubs and other recources. Beekeeping is vastly more important than you think. Use your web searcher and typ in beekeeping, bee culture or apiculture. Also, there are many, many magazines and trade publiications available world wide. I'm not familiar with the country code at the end of your domain address, where do live? Hope I've helped, Pete, NJ >From miksahf@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:49 EST 1996 Article: 3432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiu c.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf0 2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA Date: 22 Jan 1996 18:46:40 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 2 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4e17l0$luv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Can anyone tell us how long the Tucson Lab will remain open? Is it 6 or 12 months? >From janetkatz@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:50 EST 1996 Article: 3433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.resto n.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not- for-mail From: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Suggestions Wanted Date: 23 Jan 1996 00:54:17 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4e1t69$4bi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: janetkatz@aol.com (Janet Katz) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I'm the Secretary/Treasurer of the Morris County Beekeepers Association in New Jersey. It seems that the officers of our group always struggle to find good programs to present at our meetings, which are held about six times a year. If anyone has suggestions for speakers, presentations, etc. that would be appropriate for a gathering of beekeepers, I'd sure like to hear them. Of course, if there's anyone out there who'd like to be a speaker or presenter at one of our meetings, please contact me. I can be reached at JanetKatz@aol.com. Janet A. Katz >From kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu Sat Jan 27 22:40:50 EST 1996 Article: 3434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.inter netmci.com!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!news From: kgbenson@facstaff.wisc.edu (Keith G. Benson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wisconsin Date: 24 Jan 1996 02:44:09 GMT Organization: UW-Madison Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4e46dp$21dk@news.doit.wisc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: f183-062.net.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Hi, Does anyone know if there is a Wisconsin Beekepers group and, if so, how one would reach them?? Many thanks,, Keith Benson >From yrh@fox.nstn.ca Sat Jan 27 22:40:51 EST 1996 Article: 3435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!hookup!ne ws.nstn.ca!news From: yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Heating Honey ? Date: 24 Jan 1996 12:54:57 GMT Organization: NSTN Inc. ICS/Windows Dialup User Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4e5a71$sbj@news.nstn.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: yarmouth-ts-16.nstn.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.2 Hi I want to heat some honey to put in glass jars and honey bears for sale. I don't want the honey to cream in the jars/bears. I don't want to heat the hone more than I have to. What is the best temperature ? >From miksahf@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:52 EST 1996 Article: 3436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com! newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: was bleach in syrup Date: 24 Jan 1996 09:20:31 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 23 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4e5f7f$sam@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4bcn0k$bur@hornet.my> Reply-To: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I understand the USDA may have done such testing of bleach, salts, minerals, etc. The USDA Lab I worked at for a number of years did tests of water supplies, but that information may have to come from quarter reports found at the Tucson Lab only. That is if those reports are still there! Some hassle was caused when several of us coppied the information >from those reports on the importation by the USDA of AHB's for several years from Dr. Kerr in Brazil between 1959-61, it would not surprise me if those reports have been destroyed. But, the one study in Madison I understand is only one of several using bleach. We are now studing the use of a special mineral source that has 200 minerals in each dose. There are only two mines known in the world that have 200 trace minerals in them. Honeybees are animals and are a product of the earth, they require many minerals to remain healthy. For the past 30+ years in commercial beekeeping, I have never had such good colonies of honeybees without the use of non-approved products for all the colonies in my operation as I've had in the past ten years. David Miksa Miksahf@aol.com >From postmaster@beelines.thegap.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:53 EST 1996 Article: 3437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ne ws.cais.net!news.vbc.net!news.gpl.net!news From: postmaster@beelines.thegap.com (Les Simms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Search Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:16:24 GMT Organization: beelines-du Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4e1d3o$ane@errigle.gpl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: beelines.thegap.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 To any beekeepers living in Belguim, I tasted a jar of honey from the Nazereth Eak area. I believe it to be Lime. Can anyone please confirm that this is a likely flora source in the area and give me any more relevant information. Les Simms >From htho@se.bel.alcatel.be Sat Jan 27 22:40:53 EST 1996 Article: 3438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!Belgiu m.EU.net!god.bel.alcatel.be!se.bel.alcatel.be!htho From: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be (Hugo Thone) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Search Date: 25 Jan 1996 15:09:22 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Lines: 38 Sender: htho@btma56 (Hugo Thone) Distribution: world Message-ID: <4e86f2$po1@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> References: <4e1d3o$ane@errigle.gpl.net> Reply-To: htho@se.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: btmv56.se.bel.alcatel.be X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-10 In article <4e1d3o$ane@errigle.gpl.net>, postmaster@beelines.thegap.com (Les Si mms) writes: To any beekeepers living in Belguim, >I tasted a jar of honey from the Nazereth Eak area. I believe it to be >Lime. > >Can anyone please confirm that this is a likely flora source in the >area and give me any more relevant information. > >Les Simms If Lime is a Lemon tree (Citrus aurantifolia: a spiny tropical citrus tree with elliptic oblong narrowly winged leaves and small globose greenish yellow fruit with an acid juicy pulp used as a flavoring agent and as a source of ascorbic acid .... pft ;-]), you are definitely wrong. If you mean Lime-tree (genus Tilia-family Tiliaceae,/in dutch "linde"), then you are right : it is the main nectar flow in our area during summer. You find many lime-trees in all parks and suburban lanes and streets. The lime-tree blooms here from the first week of june un-tilia ;-) the end of july. On hot days you can smell the nectar from afar and many many bees are collecting nectar on it. Some species give a nectar that poisons insects : you often find a lot of dead bumble bees under these trees. Hugo +++++ Hugo Thone (SE144) email : thoneh@btmaa.bel.alcatel.be ALCATEL BELL TELEPHONE (\ phone : (32) 3 240 94 52 F.Wellesplein 1 {|||8- fax : (32) 3 240 99 50 B-2018 Antwerp (/ do bee do bee do .... >From tvf@umich.edu Sat Jan 27 22:40:54 EST 1996 Article: 3439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!newsxfer.itd.umich. edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yet another Newbie Date: 25 Jan 1996 19:44:15 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4e8mif$j20@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) wrote: > I am reluctant to seek out local beekeepers, those I have run into, in my >area, are a rather tightknit group and I have little time for politics...I'd >rather spend them with my plant and apis friends... What is *THE* >comprehensive book? I agree with another posted response, that "The Hive and the Honey Bee" is the best and most comprehensive book. However, there are many others which are in various degrees less technical. Check out the beekeeping section of your local library: one you may find useful is something like "A Year in the Beeyard", which, though not the exact title, will help you get a feel for what should be done throughout the year. Read every book you can get your hands on - then you will get a "feel" for what happens in the apiary. Although it may be difficult getting to know local beekeepers, I would recommen d that you get in touch with your local or state beekeeper's association. They usually have regular (annual, semiannual) meetings, which can be the source of much important and timely information. Good luck. Ted Fischer >From ccoplan@infi.net Sat Jan 27 22:40:55 EST 1996 Article: 3440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nwgw.infi.net !news2.infi.net!news.infi.net!h-adamant.richmond.infi.net!user From: ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Amateur beekeeper Date: 25 Jan 1996 21:10:23 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3107d02d.12120080@news.ccinet.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: h-adamant.richmond.infi.net I'm in Richmond VA - USA - and 1 hive costs about $100 mail order, bees and queen for a starter hive - $50 - 100. This is all new, unassembled bee equipment. Giving the bees feed during the startup year is a pain, along with the medications, but the meds are only 2 times a year - so no biggie really. If your hive builds up enough honey stores and you have a mild winter climate, you shouldn't have to feed after their first year. I've not requeened my hive yet, but I helped a friend do his last year, and am NOT looking forward to doing that again. The bees DEFINITELY DO NOT LIKE THAT. ccoplan@infi.net or maybe - ccoplan@richmond.infi.net > I'm thinking of starting into beekeeping in about 2 years, but I want > to research this area (i.e., setup costs, stock, market, hive health, > etc.) before I take the next steps. > > What would be a good place to start? > > Thank you for your help. >From dneate@bgnet.bgsu.edu Sat Jan 27 22:40:56 EST 1996 Article: 3441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn !magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!infoserver.bgsu.edu!bgnet.bgsu.edu!dneate From: dneate@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Dwight Arthur Neate) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heating Honey ? Date: 26 Jan 1996 00:58:14 GMT Organization: Bowling Green State University, Bowling Green, OH (USA) Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4e98v6$7gh@infoserver.bgsu.edu> References: <4e5a71$sbj@news.nstn.ca> Reply-To: dneate@bgnet.bgsu.edu (Dwight Arthur Neate) NNTP-Posting-Host: bgnet1.bgsu.edu In a previous article, yrh@fox.nstn.ca (Dan Goodwin) says: >Hi > >I want to heat some honey to put in glass jars and honey bears for sale. >I don't want the honey to cream in the jars/bears. I don't want to heat the >hone more than I have to. What is the best temperature ? > > I have found that heating the honey to 100 degrees F allows for easy pooring but with out the loss of taste or the taste of burnt honey. Make sure not to heat the honey to fast. Us a double boiler type heating system. Do not apply the honey directly to heat. -- Dwight A Neate--finally a Computer Science Senior--hopefully shorty a graduate >From josephj@surf-ici.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:57 EST 1996 Article: 3442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nuclear.microserve.net!news.paonline.com!use net From: josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yet another Newbie Date: Thu, 25 Jan 96 07:06:05 GMT Organization: Nonewhatsoever, ask my wife Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.210.31 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Here I stand. Over the last few months I firmly decided to attempt to 'keep' bees. I ordered the little buggers, so I am commited. Having more money than brains ( not a great feat ) I decided to dump the concept of a 'beginner's kit. I am following the boiled down versions of Roger Morse and a (excuse me can't QUITE recall ) Mr Vivian (?). I have obtained a number of mail order catalogs ( Brushy Mtn, Kelley, Root ) and have determined what SHOULD be needed. I have been lurking here for some time and have observed various medications being discused and discarded. My question is one you have answered many times, I am reluctant to seek out local beekeepers, those I have run into, in my area, are a rather tightknit group and I have little time for politics...I'd rather spend them with my plant and apis friends... What is *THE* comprehensive book? >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:57 EST 1996 Article: 3443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu !library.ucla.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Arizona www page Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 04:56:00 GMT Message-ID: <9601242345531279@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 86 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:00:26 -0800 [IMAGE] _________________________________________________________________ AFRICANIZED HONEY BEES IN ARIZONA _________________________________________________________________ NEW!! Homeowner's Guide to Safe Honey Bee Swarm Control Video available... _________________________________________________________________ Bee experts believe that the Africanized honey bee is here to stay. Studies show that as the regular honey bees and the Africanized bees interbreed, the Africanized strain appears to be dominant. So, the movement of Africanized honey bees into Arizona con stitutes a permanent change in our state's environment. As a result, all of Arizona's citizens and visitors will need to permanently change their view of honey bees. Africanized honey bees are a more temperamental relative of the common garden honey bee, which is known as the European honey bee (EHB). Honey bees, whether they are European or African, only sting defensively. They do not go out of their way to sting. B ut some AHB colonies defend their colonies more intensively and with less provocation than other bees. [LINK] "Which is which?" [LINK] (click on image to expand) Scientists at the USDA Carl Hayden Bee Research Center in Tucson anticipate that the Africanized honey bee (AHB) will continue to colonize the lower regions of Arizona and the United States. So, we are now dealing with a different sort of honey bee that w ill remain different. And just as we Arizonan's have learned to walk in the desert - ever mindful of jumping cholla or rattlesnakes or scorpions - we must now display that kind of caution with respect to bees. This article will introduce you to the AHB and discuss the following five main topics concerning honey bees: * 1. Why the Africanized honey bee is different from any other domestic honey bee. * 3. What safety precautions must now be routinely followed to avoid a stinging incident. * 4. How to bee proof your property. * 5. What you must do if you inadvertently agitate and/or encounter an angry AHB hive or swarm. (IMAGE) Education plays a critical role in reducing the threat of the AHB to the health and safety of the public. People can coexist with Africanized honey bees by learning about the bee and its habits, taking a few precautions, and by supporting managed beekeep ing efforts. The University of Arizona Entomology Department and Cooperative Extension, in cooperation with Carl Hayden Bee Research Center, have undertaken coordination of Arizona's AHB educational activities as a project of the Integrated Pest Management Program. T he statewide efforts focus exclusively on the development and dissemination of AHB educational materials to educators and volunteer presenters throughout Arizona. The Arizona AHB Education Project has developed an AHB Education Kit consisting of a comprehensive training manual, a script and 37-slide presentation, sample bees in resin, a plastic honeycomb, eight 4-color laminated display posters, and a safety video entitled "What Arizonans Need to Know About Africanized Honey Bees." All items are contained in a silk-screened heavy-duty tote bag. Cost of the kit is $80, which includes shipping and handling. For more information about the Arizona AHB Education Project, or to order an AHB Education Kit, contact : Janet Mitchell, program coordinator, 2000 E. Allen Rd., Tucson, AZ 85719. Phone: (602) 670-6380 ext. 113. Fax: (602) 670-6493. _________________________________________________________________ GEARS is maintained by USDA/ARS. This server reports the results of research only. Mention of a proprietary product does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation for its use by USDA. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ Ich ben en Bienenzuechter >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:40:58 EST 1996 Article: 3444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu !library.ucla.edu!agate!holonet!colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA Software Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 05:00:00 GMT Message-ID: <9601242345541280@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.p roduction.co Lines: 37 Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:07:12 -0800 Subject: index.html /USDA Software Archive _________________________________________________________________ IT'S HERE! * Learn how to manage honey bee colonies cost-effectively while maximizing profits! _________________________________________________________________ (IMAGE) Redapol Developed by Gloria DeGrandi-Hoffman et al. A computer-based model simulating the interactions of weather, bloom, and honey bee foraging activity that culminate in 'Delicious' apple fruit-set. The model predicts the percentage of blossoms setting fruit based upon weather conditions, orchard de sign, tree characteristics, and honey bee colonies per hectare. Now available in a complete archive (.ZIP file). * Download PC-Redapol (REDAPOL.ZIP) _________________________________________________________________ GEARS is maintained by USDA/ARS. This server reports the results of research only. Mention of a proprietary product does not constitute an endorsement or recommendation for its use by USDA. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ þ Invalid user. Hit user to continue. >From WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk Sat Jan 27 22:40:59 EST 1996 Article: 3445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com! nntp.coast.net!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade. news.pipex.net!pipex!bt!btnet!zetnet.co.uk!demon!adrem.demon.co.uk From: WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk (Paul Walton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Does anyone know how to make a Pollen Substitute ? Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 07:30:48 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: <822554837.7240@adrem.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: adrem.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 Does anyone know how to make the pollen substitute which is frequently fed to bees during the spring time? I recently bought some "Flying Start" pollen substitue (soya based) >from Thornes of Wragby at 3.90 (GBP) per 2 lb bag and was wondering if it was more economic to make it up myself or buy it from a beekeeping suppliers. The idea is that you add water and mix the powder into a paste which you then cover with waxed paper to prevent it from drying out. Then you feed between 0.5 and 1 lb of the stuff to each colony (depending upon how strong the colony is) by leaving it on the top bars above the brood area at a time of the year when natural pollen is in short supply (e.g. spring / autumn). That way, the colony is supposed to build up faster than if they were reliant upon naturally occurring pollen alone. Since I have never used this stuff before, I would also be grateful for any information from beekeepers with experience of this product. Many Thanks, - Paul - Paul Walton Bedfordshire, England. Email : Paul@Adrem.demon.co.uk 100524.3203@Compuserve.Com >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 27 22:41:00 EST 1996 Article: 3446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!new serve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:Heating honey ? Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 10:32:26 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1771A943ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> dfranson@ix.netcom.com(Donald L. Franson ) writes: > >The proper temperature to heat honey to is 170 F. for 5 minutes and >then quickly cool the honey to under 130 F. > I'm challenging this statement and request sources. The 170 deg F figure seems quite high when compared to the recent discussion on BEE-L (See BEE-L LOG9601) where recommended temperatures were more towards the 120 deg F range. I don't mean to start a flame war, I'm just wondering if this is the method that works for Don Franson or is this a method that is advocated by beekeeping experts in general, and if so, who are those experts? Inquiring minds want to know! Aaron Morris >From droneboy@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:00 EST 1996 Article: 3447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.n ews.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: droneboy@aol.com (Droneboy) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yet another Newbie Date: 25 Jan 1996 13:03:14 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 23 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4e8gl2$edb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> Reply-To: droneboy@aol.com (Droneboy) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com On Thu, 25 Jan 96 07:06:05 GMT, josephj@surf-ici.com wrote: > I am reluctant to seek out local beekeepers, those I have run into, in my > area, are a rather tightknit group and I have little time for politics...I'd > rather spend them with my plant and apis friends... What is *THE* > comprehensive book? > Here I stand. "The" one comprehensive book I have is Dadant's, "The Hive and the Honeybee." It is far more comprehensive then I will ever put to use but nontheless a very good book. I must add though that no book will take the place completely of information you can obtain by talking with other beekeepers. I too have found tieing in with local beekeepers in my area not to work for me but do keep up via email with beekeepers from other areas. I'm sure others can suggest "their" favorite comprehensive book. -Barry >From EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU Sat Jan 27 22:41:01 EST 1996 Article: 3448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu !nnrp.info.ucla.edu!MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU!EEMPAML From: EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Victoria Briggs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dried or powdered honey?? Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:54 Organization: University of California, Los Angeles Lines: 10 Sender: MVS NNTP News Reader Message-ID: <19960126155458EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: mvs.oac.ucla.edu Hi All, I am looking for a source for dried or powdered honey. Someone on the rec.crafts.marketplace list suggested that I ask about it here. If there is such a beast.... what the cost be and what quantities would I be able to buy in??? please contact me at home.... castoff1@netport.com I am Victoria Thanks for any help you can give. >From leroy@ccinet.ab.ca Sat Jan 27 22:41:02 EST 1996 Article: 3449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!tr ibune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news-2.ccinet.ab.ca!usenet From: leroy@ccinet.ab.ca (Larry Mousseau) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Amateur beekeeper Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 18:50:53 GMT Organization: totally unorganized Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <3107d02d.12120080@news.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: leroy@ccinet.ab.ca (Larry Mousseau) NNTP-Posting-Host: rdr57.ccinet.ab.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99c/16.141 I'm thinking of starting into beekeeping in about 2 years, but I want to research this area (i.e., setup costs, stock, market, hive health, etc.) before I take the next steps. What would be a good place to start? Thank you for your help. >From mmgreen@emckl.po.my Sat Jan 27 22:41:03 EST 1996 Article: 3450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.ne ws.pipex.net!pipex!demon!j6.brf55.jaring.my From: mmgreen@emckl.po.my Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ring Sting - What does it mean? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 03:44:50 GMT Lines: 8 Message-ID: <822714290.680@j6.brf55.jaring.my> NNTP-Posting-Host: j6.brf55.jaring.my X-NNTP-Posting-Host: j6.brf55.jaring.my X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My sister reports witnessing on one day and in two different areas some wild bees (bumblebees, I think) locked in a circle, head to tail, stinging each other in some kind of mass suicide or homicide. Apparently, it was also a particularly dry season in Ottawa, Canada. She begged me to search the Internet for an answer to this peculiar ritual. Can anybody help? Replies to mmgreen@emckl.po.my, please. Thanks! >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:04 EST 1996 Article: 3451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet!coloss us.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OLd Drone Surfs the Net Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 02:08:00 GMT Message-ID: <9601261921151295@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <41oq3b$6bq Lines: 94 JC>From: Jon Camp >Subject: Re: USDA Software >> * Download PC-Redapol (REDAPOL.ZIP) When I got this software I found out you need BENHEX 4.0 to decode it. I have not found that yet, but if I do I will let you know. JC>Way cool Andy, but where might that "Download" be located? >I just spent 45 min. looking through the USDA web pages, and the >few search engines I managed to find came up blank on >Redapol.zip. How about a URL to go with this wonderful piece of >earth-shaking software? Hello Jon, The OLd Drone is sorry for your trouble, the software is at the GEARS site at the University of Arizona if that helps. I guess I will pass on my first experience's at net surfing, OLd Drone style. First I have no windows in my main computer as it is dedicated to the Wild Bee's BBS (209) 826-8107, and the bbs is a DOS program and to support the two dial up nodes the cpu is in a 486-66 box with 20 megs of memory and a gig and half of hard drives plus cd rom drives and a Mega back up system. The cpu does connect to the internet by phone for about one hour a day passing e-mail and use net mail via a uucp connection and connects to another net mail server for the Wild Net bbs echo mail all using 28.8 bd modems. So my hardware and software has disadvantaged me as to surfing the net with the middle class. I read about it, and see it on the boob tube, but have not had the experience until the good folks of this small farm town, Los Banos, Ca, decided they wanted to get on the net. Wow, 250 signed a petition to get it, (in 5 years only 40 of them had ever called this bbs) Well a few of us formed a computer club and made an effort. No provider would put a line in for our small group and it looked bleak, as we know from a lifetime of doing business here if it cost money forget it. Well to shorten the story and get to more interesting things, MCI came in and offered a program to all the people of California. 12$ a month, free weekends, free late niter, software supplied, (Windows & Mac NetScape), and 95 cents after 60 hrs of prime time, what a deal,...oh I forgot its a free 800 # to call to make the connection. MSI is looking to capture the market and all should check to see if this deal is available in your own state, check with you local school's as the original MCI program was aimed at providing internet access to rural schools that could not afford the high cost of a T1 service. So this OLd Drone is surfing the net using a old TL2 from the Shack, heck its been doing my bookkeeping for years since upgrading from the Trash 80 so it should be good enough for the internet highway. Anyway I don't get the fancy pictures and use tools like YAHOO, Gopher, www, and many other search engines to get around. And I have been getting around, not in the efficient way other's may do, but I am having a ball and learning how the internet works from both a old beekeepers and systems administrator of a bbs advantage. I have also used the NETSCAPE on other's computer as you can imagine all the local people need help in getting it going so I had to do it myself so I could help others. But even then I could not help the guy who did not understand you needed a computer and modem to surf the net. Anyway, I use Yahoo to find the BEEKEEPING HOME PAGE and from there moved out to other sites. The beekeepers home page is my pivot point to surfing and I have not had a problem finding much beekeeping information and interesting sites to visit from there. I was delighted to find that Wild Bee's BBS Beekeeping FAQ system shares several home page's and that explains some of the 250 requests that come in each month for FAQ's from all over the internet highway. I know that most of you more then likely are doing net surfing from Window's programs like NetScape and that's the way to go. I will from time to time mention or pass on what I have found doing it from a less voyeuristic advantage with a minimal hardware set up, QMODEM in vt 100 mode and a well used old 14.4 bd modem, for those who also may find a affordable internet host like the MCI Telis system and are not sure if they want to get on the internet highway and don't do no windows as "no real bee man does windows". Just kidding girls, "no real bee person does windows". HINT #1, find the "Beekeeping Home Page" and move out from there. ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in electronic form, or to print for personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... To sway its silent chimes, else must the bee, >From bahaus@primenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:05 EST 1996 Article: 3452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nn tp.news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!news.primenet.com!not-for-mail From: bahaus@primenet.com (bill ahaus) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used honey color grader Date: 26 Jan 1996 21:56:01 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 7 Sender: root@primenet.com Message-ID: <4ecb91$bs0@nnrp1.news.primenet.com> Reply-To: bahaus@primenet.com X-Posted-By: ip201.nmp.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am trying to locate a used honey color grader similar to the one Kelley's has in their catalog. I've been "eye-balling" my honey to match colors and to blend different colors, and it's been fairly consistent for me, but I'd like to get it even more consistent if possible. Also, if anyone out there has had experience using a color grader, I'd appreciate hearing from you. >From sca@silvercity.mv.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:05 EST 1996 Article: 3453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!wo rld!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re: USDA Software Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 21:05:09 GMT References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.p roduction.co <9601242345541280@beenet.com> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) wrote: > >Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 21:07:12 -0800 >Subject: index.html > >/USDA Software Archive > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > IT'S HERE! > > * Learn how to manage honey bee colonies cost-effectively while > maximizing profits! > > _________________________________________________________________ > >(IMAGE) Redapol > > Developed by Gloria DeGrandi-Hoffman et al. > A computer-based model simulating the interactions of weather, > bloom, and honey bee foraging activity that culminate in > 'Delicious' apple fruit-set. The model predicts the percentage > of blossoms setting fruit based upon weather conditions, > orchard de sign, tree characteristics, and honey bee colonies > per hectare. Now available in a complete archive (.ZIP file). > > * Download PC-Redapol (REDAPOL.ZIP) Way cool Andy, but where might that "Download" be located? I just spent 45 min. looking through the USDA web pages, and the few search engines I managed to find came up blank on Redapol.zip. How about a URL to go with this wonderful piece of earth-shaking software? Jon C. "I've got the time; just not the money" >From rbattle@servco.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:06 EST 1996 Article: 3454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintli nk.net!news.comp-unltd.com!InternetCo From: rbattle@servco.com (Ron M. Battle) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need info on top bar African style hives Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 09:56:54 GMT Organization: HyperBorea Studio B Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ecr4v$3ai@cu.comp-unltd.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gln06.imt.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #2.1 I would appreciate any info on building, maintaining, buying, etc. African style topbar hives. Thanx, -Ron rbattle@servco.com >From mcmarcel@aol.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:08 EST 1996 Article: 3455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.resto n.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not- for-mail From: mcmarcel@aol.com (MCMarcel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honeycomb beeswax sheets Date: 27 Jan 1996 13:26:29 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4edqol$cpi@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: mcmarcel@aol.com (MCMarcel) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com If anyone who like honeycomb beeswax sheets for rolling your own candles ( in 40 different colors) contact me . They are wonderful because they are dripless & has a lovely scent of honey plus they are easy to clean your candle holders. E-mail me at: MCMarcel@aol.com >From SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu Sat Jan 27 22:41:09 EST 1996 Article: 3456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!baervan.nmt.edu!tesu que.cs.sandia.gov!lynx.unm.edu!fg1.plk.af.mil!news.zynet.com!imci2!newsfeed.int ernetmci.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does anyone know how to make a Pollen Substitute ? Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 10:41:04 EST Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1771A9644S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <822554837.7240@adrem.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu In article <822554837.7240@adrem.demon.co.uk> WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk (Paul Walton) writes: > >Does anyone know how to make the pollen substitute which is frequently >fed to bees during the spring time? > Pollen substitutes are relatively easy to make up, mixing soy flower with 2:1 sugar syrup. The dry ingredients (soy flour) used to be offered in Dadant's catalog (I imagine it still is, but am not positive) and came with an exact recipe. The bees will more readily accept the substitute if it includes real pollen (BusyKnight's advice about trapping and freezing your own is sound). If you have enough trapped pollen there is no need for substitutes, but soy flour is an acceptable way to stretch a limited pollen supply. Furthermore, pollen substitute patties are a good vector for delivering terramycin to your bees, following a similar dosage for Crisco patties (also in Dadant's catalog). Aaron Morris Upstate New York hobby beekeeper (12 hives, 20 years). >From dfranson@ix.netcom.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:13 EST 1996 Article: 3457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.resto n.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: dfranson@ix.netcom.com(Donald L. Franson ) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re:Heating honey ? Date: 26 Jan 1996 06:01:58 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ix-tul1-20.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jan 25 10:01:58 PM PST 1996 The proper temperature to heat honey to is 170 F. for 5 minutes and then quickly cool the honey to under 130 F. If it not practical to cool the honey quickly then heat to 140 F. and hold this temperature for 30 minutes. Lower tempuratures (even for longer periods) is not practical because the honey will regranulate in short order. Higher temperatures will cause loss of flavor and a darkening of color. When heating honey from granulated state it is important to agitate the honey so that it is not burnt while heating, keep it stirred untill the crystals are gone. >From rshough@tasc.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:14 EST 1996 Article: 3458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!rutgers!ukma!jobone!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ne wsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsreader.read.tasc. com!rhough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yet another Newbie Date: 26 Jan 1996 22:24:04 GMT Organization: TASC Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhough.read.tasc.com In article <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com>, josephj@surf-ici.com (Joseph Jucha) queried: >What is *THE* comprehensive book? Ditto earlier responses regarding "The Hive and the Honeybee" - that is the "beekeepers bible" (IMHO) It is an excellent reference book, but very large and intimidating. For a good starting place, I like Richard Bonney's two books, although the titles escape me at the moment. Our county beekeeping organization has used his books as the text for our beginning beekeeping class, and they seem well received. **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** --Insert standard disclaimer here-- >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Sat Jan 27 22:41:15 EST 1996 Article: 3459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ne ws.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Heating honey ? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 01:47:57 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4eedk6$8rs@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <1771A943ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.alban y.edu> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal05-04.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Jon Camp wrote: > Most of the smaller >producers I know heat to 110 Here in Texas during July and August our smallest "packers" ALWAYS tolerate 110 :-) >From tvf@umich.edu Sat Jan 27 22:41:16 EST 1996 Article: 3460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.u mich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: "Theodore V. Fischer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Amateur beekeeper Date: 26 Jan 1996 13:42:03 GMT Organization: The University of Michigan Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4ealnb$cbh@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> References: <3107d02d.12120080@news.ccinet.ab.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-32.subnet-52.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Macintosh; I; 68K) X-URL: news:ccoplan-2501961609190001@h-adamant.richmond.infi.net ccoplan@infi.net (Chris Coplan) wrote: >I've not requeened my hive yet, but I helped a friend do his last year, >and am NOT looking forward to doing that again. The bees DEFINITELY DO >NOT LIKE THAT. There really should be no more problem in requeening a hive than in any other normal beekeeping procedure. I usually requeen most of my hives every year, and find that the results are well worth the effort. However, one of the good reasons for requeening is to replace a queen that produces overly agressive offspring; therefore one has to deal with these very offspring when looking for their mother queen, and that can often be difficult. I like to do this as early in the year as is realistically possible so I don't have to cope with a huge hive population. In general, I find that small populations of bees are less aggressive than large hives. Another tip: Before starting to look for the queen, I separate the two (or sometimes three) hive bodies and set them apart. I notice which one has the most young brood, and start looking through the frames in that separated hive body first. That way, the queen can't run up and down the frames of the whole hive during the inspection - she has to be in one hive body or the other. Also, only part of the bee population only has to be disturbed if the queen is in the first examined hive body. Yes, requeening is a lot of hard work, especially in the spring, when my winter muscles aren't used to heaving hive bodies. But it is one of my most enjoyable times with the bees, for it gives me the opportunity to really see what each hive is like, and note the potential problems and strengths of each. Now, late summer requeening is another subject... Ted Fischer >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:16 EST 1996 Article: 3461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet! colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dried or powdered honey?? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:50:00 GMT Message-ID: <9601270924241300@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world References: <19960126155458EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU> Lines: 54 E>From: EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Victoria Briggs) >Subject: Dried or powdered honey?? >I am looking for a source for dried or powdered honey. Someone on the >rec.crafts.marketplace list suggested that I ask about it here. If there >is such a beast.... what the cost be and what quantities would I be able >to buy in??? Hello Victoria, I don't know and have wondered about suppliers myself for years, but was not interested enough to find out. When you find out let us all know. I would suggest that you call the HONEY HOTLINE at 1-800-356-3941 >from the US or Canada or you can e-mail them at 74512.2455@compuserve.com You might also ask them why they don't have a "home page" on the internet, (hint, hint). This months HONEY HOTLINE, from the Food Technology & Product Research Program is very topical. As we read about the soap company that has received government permission to sell snack foods with some chemical replacement for high caloric fats, something akin to adding plastics to our food, that won't kill you, but may make your trips to the potty a little more frequent if you overdose on snack foods. Which is nothing new as if you eat the whole can or package of most any snack food you will suffer the next day anyway. Anyway, this months articles on "Honey:An Ingredient of Choice in Healthy Snack Formulations" and "The Role of Honey in Quality Improvement of Sliced Oil-Free Potato Chips" are just a couple of reports on research on the use of Honey in industrial cooking. Any Honey Producer in the US can request to be placed on the mailing list for the HONEY HOTLINE by calling the above number and our foreign producers are welcome to ask, try using the e-mail address above or snail mail: P.O. Box 281525 San Francisco, CA 94128-1525 USA ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in electronic form, or to print for personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The hairy wild-bee that murmurs and hankers up and do >From andy.nachbaur@beenet.com Sat Jan 27 22:41:17 EST 1996 Article: 3462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!holonet! colossus.holonet.net!wildbee!andy.nachbaur From: andy.nachbaur@beenet.com (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dried or powdered honey?? Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 15:52:00 GMT Message-ID: <9601270924241301@beenet.com> Organization: WILD BEE'S BBS (209) 826-8107 LOS BANOS, CA Distribution: world Lines: 54 ---------------------------------------- E>From: EEMPAML@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU (Victoria Briggs) >Subject: Dried or powdered honey?? >I am looking for a source for dried or powdered honey. Someone on the >rec.crafts.marketplace list suggested that I ask about it here. If there >is such a beast.... what the cost be and what quantities would I be able >to buy in??? Hello Victoria, I don't know and have wondered about suppliers myself for years, but was not interested enough to find out. When you find out let us all know. I would suggest that you call the HONEY HOTLINE at 1-800-356-3941 >from the US or Canada or you can e-mail them at 74512.2455@compuserve.com You might also ask them why they don't have a "home page" on the internet, (hint, hint). This months HONEY HOTLINE, from the Food Technology & Product Research Program is very topical. As we read about the soap company that has received government permission to sell snack foods with some chemical replacement for high caloric fats, something akin to adding plastics to our food, that won't kill you, but may make your trips to the potty a little more frequent if you overdose on snack foods. Which is nothing new as if you eat the whole can or package of most any snack food you will suffer the next day anyway. Anyway, this months articles on "Honey:An Ingredient of Choice in Healthy Snack Formulations" and "The Role of Honey in Quality Improvement of Sliced Oil-Free Potato Chips" are just a couple of reports on research on the use of Honey in industrial cooking. Any Honey Producer in the US can request to be placed on the mailing list for the HONEY HOTLINE by calling the above number and our foreign producers are welcome to ask, try using the e-mail address above or snail mail: P.O. Box 281525 San Francisco, CA 94128-1525 USA ttul Andy- (c) Permission is granted to freely copy this document in electronic form, or to print for personal use. (w)Opinions are not necessarily facts. Use at own risk. --- þ QMPro 1.53 þ ... The hairy wild-bee that murmurs and hankers up and do >From afn19108@afn.org Sat Jan 27 22:41:18 EST 1996 Article: 3463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.uoregon.edu!ne ws.islandnet.com!usenet From: afn19108@afn.org Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: The Bees! Date: 27 Jan 1996 07:51:22 GMT Organization: Island Net in Victoria, B.C. Canada Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4eclhq$ste@sanjuan.islandnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: meares.islandnet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 32bit) Hi, The Bees! is an animated cursor scheme for the Windows '95 desktop. Drop the site and download the scheme. Animated Cursor Schemes for Windows '95 (tm)! objective is to eradicate the blandness of the Windows '95 (tm) mouse pointer. Won't you please help? http://www.islandnet.com/~wwseb/cursors.htm The only site on the Internet devoted exclusively to creating original, shareware animated cursor schemes for the Windows '95 mouse pointer! See you there! >From miksahf@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:32 EST 1996 Article: 3464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1 a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: best strain of queens for resistance to tracheal mite Date: 28 Jan 1996 02:14:17 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 4 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ef7o9$e28@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4b1fbg$490@redstone.interpath.net> Reply-To: miksahf@aol.com (MiksaHF) Best stock for the SYMPTOMS of Acrapis woodi is Brother Adams "Buckfast" David Miksa, owner Miksa Honey Farms 35 years in queen rearing and AI breeding >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:33 EST 1996 Article: 3465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Does anyone know how to make a Pollen Substitute ? Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:34:48 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4e9llm$r2o@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <822554837.7240@adrem.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal24-19.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 WaltonP@Adrem.demon.co.uk (Paul Walton) wrote: Paul, As an alternate consideration, you might buy (or build) a pollen trap and just trap *real* pollen to feed your bees. When I trap pollen during the pollen flow here in Texas, I can usually get about half a pound per day off just one hive. And the pollen "flow" lasts a couple of weeks so there's plenty of pollen to clean and sell too. The trap I use also does not starve the colony, in fact they seem to do better. I freeze the cleaned pollen in a chest freezer and it keeps very well. Of course I wouldn't bother cleaning the pollen if I was just gona feed it back to the bees. BusyKnight Dallas, TX >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:33 EST 1996 Article: 3466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!wo rld!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Yes Virginia, there is a dried honey... Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 06:44:18 GMT X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 ADM, "food basket to the world", sells spray dried honey. I bought some a couple of years back. It comes in a couple of forms; w/wo maltodextrin,wheat starch, lecithin and calcium stearate. Most of these additional additives are used in the drying process or added after to deter caking. Comes powdered or flaked. The version I found the best contained maltodextrin, (no folks, it won't make you glow in the dark.) and was very soluble. Contact ADM (Archer, Daniels, Midland; a British Company, by the by.) at 4666 Faries Pkwy. Decatur, IL 62526 Tel. 217-424-7418 FAX 217-424-2473. It only comes in 50lb bags by the way, and ADM does have a minimum. Jon C. >From busykngt@mail.airmail.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:34 EST 1996 Article: 3467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.iadfw.net!usenet From: busykngt@airmail.net (BusyKnight) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Amateur beekeeper Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 06:52:51 GMT Organization: customer of Internet America Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4e9mni$r2o@news-f.iadfw.net> References: <3107d02d.12120080@news.ccinet.ab.ca> Reply-To: busykngt@mail.airmail.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dal24-19.ppp.iadfw.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 leroy@ccinet.ab.ca (Larry Mousseau) wrote: >I'm thinking of starting into beekeeping in about 2 years, but I want >to research this area (i.e., setup costs, stock, market, hive health, >etc.) before I take the next steps. >What would be a good place to start? Larry, Questions like this are very hard to answer. There's been entire books written on the subject. First off, I trust that you're getting into it as a hobby. Beekeepers belong to a very small close- knitt group (along with kooks, lunatics, fools, etc., etc.) especially if you're entertaining the thought of "making money" at it. I would recommend that you start off with just a couple of hives, some good self-help books on mental health and a book or two on beekeeping. Start with a local club by all means (assuming there's one around you somewhere). Get to know a local beekeeper and don't let his/her ways scare you off. Order the catalogues from the beekeeping supply companies and read and study them. You can also plan to spend about 100 to 150 bucks to just get started. Make sure you want to do this....just think how much "store bought" honey you could buy for $100. Keeping bees ain't cheap honey BUT it is the BEST honey you can get! BusyKnight Dallas, TX >From jac@silvercity.mv.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:35 EST 1996 Article: 3468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!world!mv!usenet From: Jon Camp Subject: Re:Heating honey ? Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: MV Communications, Inc. Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:07:48 GMT References: <4e9qom$6mf@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> <1771A943ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.alban y.edu> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: silvercity.mv.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 I think the method used is quite common among commercial packers. The figure I was always led to believe was 160F, then a quick reduction to 110F via commercial cooling/refrig. units, then quickly bottled. Some packers (here in NH for instance) prefer granulated honey in drums, so that it may be liquified over a steam pipe grid, filtered through diatamaceous(sp)earth (while in a warm state) then quickly cooled and bottled. You might check with Swans in Maine or Dutch Gold in Penn. to see what their method might entail; provided they're willing to release such info. Some packers keep that information confidential. I don't believe many small producers would be willing to take on the cost of such flash heating and cooling equipment. Most of the smaller producers I know heat to 110 to filter, (via cloth)then cool to room temp. to settle for skimming, then to a water jacketed bottler to maybe 130-140F for 15-20 minutes, bottle, and cool back to room temp. I know of at least a half dozen beekeepers that use this method. Many will pack into buckets after skimming, and reheat or liquify for bottling when filling an order for bottled honey. Most of these producers are in the 3 to 15 ton area of honey production. >From perrot6f@micronet.fr Mon Jan 29 11:17:36 EST 1996 Article: 3469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math. ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!francenet.fr!usenet From: perrot6f@micronet.fr (BoggyB) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees photos Date: 28 Jan 1996 17:36:42 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4egc7a$bcs@chleuasme.francenet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp67.micronet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Where can I find photos of bees ? Thanks in advance. >From amschelp@pe.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:37 EST 1996 Article: 3470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.pe.net!usenet From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Search Date: 27 Jan 1996 16:57:08 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4edlh4$4c0@nfs1.pe.net> References: <4e1d3o$ane@errigle.gpl.net> <4e86f2$po1@btmpjg.god.bel.alcatel.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: victoria.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 >If you mean Lime-tree (genus Tilia-family Tiliaceae,/in dutch "linde"), then >you are right : it is the main nectar flow in our area during summer. >You find many lime-trees in all parks and suburban lanes and streets. >The lime-tree blooms here from the first week of june un-tilia ;-) the end >of july. On hot days you can smell the nectar from afar and many many bees >are collecting nectar on it. We have lots of orange groves here in Hemet, California, and when the trees are in bloom the marvellous fragrance floats far and wide in the valley. The obvious point never occurred to me, until you mentioned it, that it is the nectar of the orange blossoms that is giving off that fragrance. Merci beaucoup. >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 29 11:17:38 EST 1996 Article: 3471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt .edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: _Apis_ 1/96 Date: 27 Jan 1996 17:33:15 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 258 Message-ID: <4ednkr$org@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Summary: _Apis_ Magazine Keywords: apis _Apis_ Sanford Magazine Florida Extension Beekeeping Newsletter Apis--Apicultural Information and Issues (ISSN 0889-3764) Volume 14, Number 1 January 1996 HONEY QUALITY IN THE TROPICS What is the best honey? That's an often-asked question for which there is no pat response. Answers can range from a short retort to a lengthy description. Honey quality lies in the eye of the beholder and taster. It's subjective in so many ways. That's why I don't enjoy judging honey shows. For a more in-depth discussion of this see ENY 129, Honey Judging and Standards. I will mail out copies on request while they last. Honey quality also is a matter of tradition. If one looks at apiculturally related activity in Europe, for example, a good deal of effort goes into researching honey quality and each country has a rigorous testing procedure. In the United States, however, honey quality often takes a back seat to management and other industry issues. A periodic publication on the Internet by Andrew Matheson, director of the International Bee Research Association (IBRA), reveals some current European thinking on honey quality. In December, Mr. Matheson attended a meeting on tropical honey organized by the group NECTAR, the Netherlands Expertise Centre for Tropical Apicultural Resources. Established in 1990, this non- profit association is a focus for people in the Netherlands working in tropical beekeeping and bee science (of whom there are quite a few). Speakers from nine different countries and a varied audience pooled their knowledge and experience promoting considerable discussion on the harvest, composition, processing, storage and marketing of honey in tropical apicultural systems. Because Florida lies in the subtropics, many of the issues addressed are also of concern in the Sunshine State. They are also important for those who would like to keep abreast of developments in the export market. Moisture: One of the biggest problems facing beekeepers in tropical areas is high water content in honey. This can push the product over the legal limit in many countries, according to Mr. Matheson. It also may be responsible for fermentation. However, Mr. Matheson continues, in some cases a high-moisture product, and even a fermenting one, is desirable. If marketing is (in simple terms) producing what the consumer wants, then fermenting honey can sometimes fit the bill. In some countries fermentation is a sign of honey's freedom from adulteration, unlike what Mr. Matheson calls that "squeaky-clean imported stuff" which has a dubious reputation for purity. In general, however, high water content is a problem for potential honey exporters, and often creates storage problems, Mr. Matheson says. Kwame Aidoo of Ghana gave the results of a small survey of honey being sold by 40 beekeepers who use top-bar hives. The average water content was 21.4% (range 17.6-24.0%). The water content can depend on season and region. It also varies with the plant species and even the kind of bee used. As an example, the water content of Apis cerana honey in Vietnam was reported as follows: eucalyptus 27%, longan 24% and jujuba 23.5%. Apis dorsata honey came in at 28%, while Apis florea was 32.2%; the latter two were observed four months after harvest, but unfortunately the details of the storage conditions were not supplied. And at times, Mr. Matheson concludes, it is impossible for bees to dry honey adequately. Although Mr. Matheson did not mention it, when the bees fail to take out the moisture, it may be time for the beekeeper to step in. Honey producers in Canada have been leaders in developing methods to dry honey in storage. Many even take the crop before it is capped and finish the drying job indoors. I published a resume of one technique in the fact sheet number ENY 130 entitled Moisture in Honey. Copies are still available on request. Other Quality Measures: The European market, according the Mr. Matheson, is especially sensitive to several quality parameters, especially diastase and HMF levels. Unfortunately, testing for these materials is somewhat expensive, particularly for developing countries. And sometimes basic analyses for sucrose content, even water content, are beyond the reach of some agencies. This could all change, however, thanks to work reported by J. D. Kerkvliet of the Netherlands, Mr. Matheson says. A series of five analytical methods, low in cost and simple to carry out, has been developed to check for: * Water content; * Invert sugars and sucrose; * HMF; * Pollen and sugar cane plant cells; and * Enzyme levels; These methods were developed as part of a Dutch-Nepalese project. After they were implemented in Nepal, there was significant improvement in honey quality. Mr. Matheson thinks those that analyze for pollen and enzyme levels are especially valuable tests that almost anyone can use to advantage. To test for cane sugar adulteration, for example, honey is centrifuged and examined microscopically. Even a few percent of cane sugar added will result in visible amounts of characteristic parenchyma, slereid and epidermal cells, as well as simple rings >from ring vessels, originating from the sugar cane stem. The test is not 'fooled' by bees foraging on the cut stumps of sugar cane. This method was written up in Apidologie 26: 131-139 (1995). For HMF, Mr. Matheson says, a relatively inexpensive 'Merckoquant' peroxide test strip can also be used to check for the presence of hydrogen peroxide in a honey solution. If peroxide production is at least 10 micrograms per gram per hour at 20 degrees C, then HMF is less than or equal to 40 mg/kg (with a 95% confidence level) and might even be below 20 mg/kg. Unfortunately this method has been written up only in Dutch (with an English summary): [Screening method for the determination of glucose oxidase activity in honey.] Ware(n)chemicus 24: 160-163 (1994). Dr Kerkvliet told Mr. Matheson he plans to write a paper on this in English. Fair Trade in Tropical Honey: Many may have seen 'fair trade' products, especially in Europe, according to Mr. Matheson. Coffee and chocolate are the usual products, but honey has now been added to this mix. This market segment is rapidly growing, and represents a real opportunity for beekeepers in some tropical countries. Mr. Matheson gave an overview of a presentation by Jos. Harmsen of the Max Havelaar/Trans Fair Seal organization. Mr. Matheson says it's important to realize that the Max Havelaar organization doesn't sell honey itself; it is a quality assurance body, promoting the 'fair trade' seal to consumers. It controls the licensees who use the seal and keeps a register of producers. The 'fair trade' seal system goes under the Max Havelaar name in the Netherlands, Trans Fair in some other European countries and Fair Trade in the UK. The concept began a few years ago, Mr. Matheson says, but the products were sold only in aid shops or health food outlets so market share was destined to remain small. However, the Max Havelaar organization, formed in 1988 based on coffee, now appears in 90 percent of supermarkets; in 1993 chocolate was added and honey in 1994. The organization works in 12 European countries now, and will be moving into two more during 1996. What constitutes fair trade? The Max Havelaar organization has developed a number of criteria, according to Mr. Matheson. It recommends buying directly from organizations of small beekeepers that are democratically run, thus giving producers a say in how the trade is conducted. And it emphasizes paying a fair price, which for honey is currently $US 1,550/tonne f.o.b. with a premium of $US 2000/ton for certified organic honey. It gives access to credit facilities, with up to 60 percent of the contract price available up front if requested, and enters into long-term contracts to ensure security for the producers. The 'fair trade' seal can be used on retail containers only if all the honey contained in them meets all these criteria, Mr. Matheson says. From promoting honey only in the Netherlands in 1994, and only there and in Switzerland in 1995, 330 tonnes of honey was sold under the Max Havelaar/Trans Fair label in 1995. With modest growth in those markets and the addition of Germany, the volume for 1996 is expected to reach 1,100 tonnes. Honey is the responsibility of the German office of the Max Havelaar/Trans Fair Seal organization: TransFair International, Am Ochsenberg 16, D-73614 Schorndorf, email tfi@oln.comlink.apc.org, fax (+49) 7181-65546, phone (+49) 7181-65417. Using the best evidence available, according to Mr. Matheson, only about 17 percent of the world's honey is produced in the tropics. There are several major problems involved: 1. World market prices are low; domestic prices are usually higher. 2. Only high volume is deemed exportable; few have the wherewithal to produce honey in quantity. 3. High water content, foreign matter such as impurities from the hive or the harvesting method, and adulteration with cane sugar are also potential problems. 4. HMF and diastase may also be elevated because of high temperatures. In spite of the problems, Mr. Matheson says, opportunities exist to increase trade. They are: 1) activities of the 'fair trade' organizations mentioned above and 2) the rise in organic honey. The latter, Mr. Matheson says, is growing in popularity. And it's no longer a matter of producing honey in untouched forested areas and slapping on an 'organic' label. Both producing and processing operations must be certified by an organization recognized in the end market (such as the Soil Association in the UK, Naturland in Germany and the VSBLO in Switzerland). Requirements vary between certifying bodies, but for honey they typically include these: * Bees must forage only in organically cultivated or natural vegetation that has been free of pesticides for at least two years; * There should be no conventionally farmed land within 6 km; * The colony should not be destroyed at harvest; * Only organically produced beeswax may be used in foundation; * No instrumental insemination is permitted; * No artificial products may be used for feeding the bees, nor any drugs administered; and * Finally, there are rules about packaging and processing. Accreditation for organic marketing doesn't come cheaply, according to Mr. Matheson. It involves a field visit for an African country--although some costs can be shared if several producers are applying-- plus several hundred dollars per year membership fee and a levy of 1 percent on sales. But the market is growing strongly, and is probably around 500 tons/year. REMINDER ABOUT 4-H ESSAYS Remember that 4-H Essays are due by February 12, 1996 and they must be forwarded to this office by a 4-H worker or official. See the September 1995 Apis for more details. MEETINGS IN FLORIDA Several bee meetings will be taking place in Florida in February: 1. February 10, 1996 will mark the second annual Empire State Honey Producers Association meeting in Florida at Archbold Biological Station south of Lake Placid. The phone number is 813/465-2571. 2. Two workshops are planned at the Clay County Cooperative Extension Service building west of Green Cove Springs, 2463 State Road, 16W. One for "beginners" is scheduled Saturday, February 17, 8:30 to 5:00. The other for "more advanced" beekeepers will be the next Saturday, February 24. Interested persons can attend both if sessions if they wish. There is a $10/person fee, which includes a catered lunch. Reservations for both workshops must be in hand by February 15, 1996. For more information, call 904/269-6355, 904/284-6355 or 904/473-3711. Sincerely, Malcolm T. Sanford Bldg 970, Box 110620 University of Florida Gainesville, FL 32611-0620 Phone (352) 392-1801, Ext. 143 FAX: 352-392-0190 Address: MTS@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU APIS on the World Wide Web-- http://gnv.ifas.ufl.edu/~entweb/apis/apis.htm -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From patrick@cyberport.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:39 EST 1996 Article: 3472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.ne t!news.cyberport.com!usenet From: "Patrick M. O'Hearn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA Software Date: 27 Jan 1996 17:20:06 GMT Organization: Bears Choice Honey Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4edms6$522@macaw.cyberport.com> References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.p roduction.co <9601242345541280@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host2.cb.cyberport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) To: Jon,Camp The site you are looking for is GEARS (USDA beelab in Tucson). The web address is http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov. The REDAPOL program is in dos but the Beekeeping Economics program was written for the Mac. The person I talked with at gears says they are rewriting it for the IBM platform. take care Patrick M. O'Hearn Bears Choice Honey Aztec, NM email patrick@cyberport.com >From patrick@cyberport.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:40 EST 1996 Article: 3473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!primus.ac.net!news.cais.net!news.supernet.ne t!news.cyberport.com!usenet From: "Patrick M. O'Hearn" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA Software Date: 27 Jan 1996 17:20:24 GMT Organization: Bears Choice Honey Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4edmso$522@macaw.cyberport.com> References: <41oq3b$6bq$1@mhade.p roduction.co <9601242345541280@beenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host2.cb.cyberport.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) The site you are looking for is GEARS (USDA beelab in Tucson). The web address is http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov. The REDAPOL program is in dos but the Beekeeping Economics program was written for the Mac. The person I talked with at gears says they are rewriting it for the IBM platform. take care Patrick M. O'Hearn Bears Choice Honey Aztec, NM email patrick@cyberport.com >From rshough@tasc.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:41 EST 1996 Article: 3474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsfeeder.read.tasc.com!newsread er.read.tasc.com!rhough.read.tasc.com!user From: rshough@tasc.com (Rick Hough) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yet another Newbie Date: 27 Jan 1996 21:17:26 GMT Organization: TASC Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rhough.read.tasc.com Follow-up on Richard Bonney's books (I looked last night...) "Hive Management : A Seasonal Guide for Beekeepers", Richard E. Bonney, 1990, Garden Way Publishing ISBN 0-88266-637-1 (pbk.) "Beekeeping : A Practical Guide", Richard E. Bonney, 1993, Garden Way Publishing ISBN 0-88266-861-1 (pb) I really like Dick's writing style - I find his work to be very informative, and enjoyable reading too! Rick A New England beekeeper with 20 colonies (last time I checked) **************************************************** * Rick Hough * email: rshough@tasc.com * * TASC * Phone: (617) 942-2000 * * 55 Walkers Brook Drive * FAX: (617) 942-7100 * * Reading, MA 01867 * * **************************************************** --Insert standard disclaimer here-- >From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:42 EST 1996 Article: 3475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!news.duke.edu!news.math works.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Unapproved Varroa Mite Treatments Date: 27 Jan 1996 23:07:47 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4eeb83$msg@argentina.it.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool020.max2.dallas.tx.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Are Mavrik, Spur and other forms of fluvalinate, or formic acid, commonly used to treat varroa-infested hives in the U.S.? I realize these treatments are not currently approved for use with bees in the U.S., but does the cost difference provide a strong temptation for commercial beekeepers? How widespread is the use of unapproved treatments? Would appreciate learning from any speculation or knowledge on this. Public or confidential private E-mail. Thanks, John Caldeira >From scott@terraport.net Mon Jan 29 11:17:44 EST 1996 Article: 3476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!is tar.net!news1.toronto.fonorola.net!news1.toronto.istar.net!news.toronto.istar.n et!kowloon.terraport.net!archangel.terraport.net!saturn183 From: scott@terraport.net (Scott A. Binkley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beebread vs raw pollen Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 23:16:49 GMT Organization: TerraPort Online Inc. (416) 392-3050 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4ef1qh$9jr@archangel.terraport.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: saturn183.terraport.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Are there any experts out there who can tell me which is better, bee-bread, orjust plain bee pollen. I've heard that you cannot digest pollen, but once the bees ferment it, it can be digested. Is this true?? BTW you can Email me at: scott@terraport.net /sb >From dizzybeezz@aol.com Mon Jan 29 11:17:45 EST 1996 Article: 3477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1 a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dizzybeezz@aol.com (DizzyBeezz) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Froth on top of honey Date: 28 Jan 1996 23:49:01 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4ehjjt$7ti@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: dizzybeezz@aol.com (DizzyBeezz) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com I am new to beekeeping and honey extracting and packing. Why does my honey sometimes have a froth on top? It seems to only happen with crystalized honey that has been re-liquified. Is something wrong with it? I have been skimming it off the top. It seems like it would make an interesting component for a candy????? Does anyone know if it has any beneficial uses? >From Evol_Johnson@quorum.nacion.co.cr Mon Jan 29 11:17:45 EST 1996 Article: 3478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!ne ws-relay.eworld.com!zdc!zippo!usenet From: Evol Johnson Winter Subject: Some Info Wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Sender: usenet@news.zippo.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp6.casapres.go.cr Organization: Zippo Message-ID: <310C5543.4734@quorum.nacion.co.cr> X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b3 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Jan 1996 05:04:03 GMT Lines: 5 I'would like to know wich magazines or publications would you recommend for a beekeeping beginner. Evol Johnson San José, Costa Rica >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 29 11:17:46 EST 1996 Article: 3479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt .edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yet another Newbie Date: 29 Jan 1996 13:17:38 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4eihdi$49v@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4e7a19$79t@news.paonline.com> <4e8gl2$edb@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf I like to recommend _The Beekeeper's Handbook_, by Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitable, Collier, 1986, ISBN # 0-02-081410-0. This might be hard to find, as it's out of print but I hear a new edition is on the way. Diana Sammataro is on the net somewhere...maybe she'll fill us in. Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 29 11:17:47 EST 1996 Article: 3480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt .edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: best strain of queens for resistance to treacheal mite Date: 29 Jan 1996 13:28:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4eii1s$4jb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <4b1fbg$490@redstone.interpath.net> <4ef7o9$e28@newsbf02.news.aol.c om> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf In article <4ef7o9$e28@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, MiksaHF wrote: >Best stock for the SYMPTOMS of Acrapis woodi is Brother Adams "Buckfast" > >David Miksa, owner Miksa Honey Farms >35 years in queen rearing and AI breeding Mr. Miksa's bees are pretty good for T.M. tolerance too! Adam (graduate student and hobby bee breeder) -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch Mon Jan 29 11:17:48 EST 1996 Article: 3481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!chi-news.cic. net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!pacifica.access.ch!gatezh5-0 5.access.ch!user From: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch (Hans-Ulrich THOMAS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need info on top bar African style hives Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 20:36:25 +0100 Organization: ETH Zurich (Switzerland) Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <4ecr4v$3ai@cu.comp-unltd.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: gatezh5-05.access.ch In article <4ecr4v$3ai@cu.comp-unltd.com>, rbattle@servco.com (Ron M. Battle) wrote: >I would appreciate any info on building, maintaining, buying, etc. >African style topbar hives. >-Ron rbattle@servco.com Ron, Try the following address: Bees for Development Troy Monmouth NP5 4AB England They also have an e-mail address: - 100410.2631@compuserve.com They have a video available as well as other information about topbar hives. These people are active in 3rd world countries as their name suggest and will certainly be able to help you. Good luck Hans -- ____________________________________________________ Hans-Ulrich THOMAS. Beekeeper & collector of books about: - bees and beekeeping - ants (yes these small little buggers!) - nature printing e-mail: hthomas@solid.phys.ethz.ch CompuServe: 100045,2556 Fax: +41 1 633 10 77 ____________________________________________________ >From adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu Mon Jan 29 11:17:49 EST 1996 Article: 3482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt .edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Patty Recipe/Frame Soak Date: 29 Jan 1996 14:23:00 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4eil84$6eg@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu NNTP-Posting-User: adamf Someone asked me for these recipes and since I cannot find their address I'm posting them--remember, as with all recipes these work in specific areas: ask your local beekeeper friends what they use, first--check with your state apirist, apicultural extension specialist and/or county agent as well. The Frame soak is moot: I'd burn any frames if I had AFB...frames just aren't worth the trouble. My opinion though. ATTENTION: anything boiling is dangerous...be careful and use protective clothing. Extender Patty recipe: 15-18 TM patties: 6.4 oz(1 packet) TM 25 in 3 lbs sugar (either powdered or granulated) Melt 3 lbs Crisco (barely melt) let cool to point it is a little soupy, pour over sugar/TM mix, and mix thoroughly. Measure out 1/4 to 1/3 pound portions onto wax paper, squash patty flat and let cool (3/8 '' patty). Store patties in airtight container, as TM deteriorates in air. Freezing patties in container works well. --from David Lobdell and Steve Wolters, FLA Apiary inspectors. Frame Bath for AFB control Chlorine Bath: 4 oz. sodium hypochlorite : 100 gal H2O 1 gal Chlorine bleach : 100 gal H20 1 lb lye : 10gal H2O (all H2O is boiling HOT) Use at your own risk. good luck, Adam -- _________________ Adam Finkelstein adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu >From ilr@the.link.ca Sat Feb 24 00:28:12 EST 1996 Article: 3598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com !news.bctel.net!news.island.net!usenet From: Irma Robson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How can I process cappings with ease? Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:10:46 -0600 Organization: ILR Enterprises Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3122B246.2718@the.link.ca> References: <4f5dp5$dgd@news.sandia.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: ilr.link.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0b6a (Win95; I) Joel Govostes wrote: > I have tried warming cappings to get the honey to separate out but this > really doesn't work in my experience. You end up with cooked waxy honey > and much of it stays mixed in with the cappings. I am surprised that you had difficulty in getting the wax & honey to separate. My Dad used to melt 5 gal pails of cappings till they were thoroughly warmed through. He had an insulator he put arround the pails to ensure even heating, and just let the pail of cappings warm over very low heat. I remember him stirring the contents to ensure **EVEN HEATING** toward the end of the melting. He poured the slurry through a cheesecloth filter, into the mould, which was also **insulated**. *** The secret here, may be to have the wax **COOL VERY VERY SLOWLY**. The separation of wax (on top) with honey on the bottom was excellent. A secondary result of slow cooling is a very smooth (show-quality) piece of wax. When the wax cools quickly, it buckles and cracks, & the honey gets into the cracks, & it is a mess to get cleaned up. I have very good memories of the smell of rendering cappings, and the pungent taste of cappings rendered honey. My favorite honey of all was the redish honey that you get under the wax in the mould. Homer.Robson@Develcon.com Saskatoon, SK, CAN. >From moore@aiag.enet.dec.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:13 EST 1996 Article: 3599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!gatech !swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!pa.dec.com!depot .mro.dec.com!mrnews.mro.dec.com!aiag.enet.dec.com!moore From: moore@aiag.enet.dec.com () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Q: Beekeeping Groups/Associations in Ma. Date: 14 Feb 1996 16:10:09 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation, Marlboro, MA Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4ft1h1$p56@mrnews.mro.dec.com> Reply-To: moore@aiag.enet.dec.com () NNTP-Posting-Host: zhora.enet.dec.com I'm planning to begin beekeeping this spring, 1 or 2 hives, and I'm trying to find a group or club in my area. Can anyone suggest one for Middlesex County, Massachusetts? I would be interested in used equipment as well. Thanks. >From pollinator@aol.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:14 EST 1996 Article: 3600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU !maui.cc.odu.edu!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com !howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.new s.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: process cappings? What about "robber bees" Date: 15 Feb 1996 06:48:31 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 32 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4fv6if$oo7@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <4frm15$6up@nfs1.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader In article <4frm15$6up@nfs1.pe.net>, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) writes: >I will be sure that >my bee babies will never forage for actual honey, but only for the nectar of >flowers. It will be prohibited for them for as long as I am their husband! In view of the potential problems, this could be the wisest choice for many to not feed back wet cappings or supers. But never say never, when it comes to robbing. There is, after all: the housewife who puts an open, unwashed jar of honey in the dumpster, the spring deadout with LOTS of honey in the neighborhood (perhaps even in a tree or house), the hive dying with varroa that is too weak to defend itself, the hummingbird feeders that people fill with honey water (against recommendations), etc. It could even be the frame you dropped and stepped on, while working the bees, and the comb fell out, or the ones smashed beyond repair by bears (boy, can that make a robbing frenzy!!). Our wildlife people pour honey all over a bear trap, when they are trying to capture a bear (a dumb practice I've endeavored to stop). So there is always a potential for bees to rob, and sooner or later, during a barren time, they will. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green, PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Dave's Pollination Service Eastern Pollinator Newsletter PO Box 1200, Hemingway, SC 29554 >From bhetheri@superior.carleton.ca Sat Feb 24 00:28:14 EST 1996 Article: 3601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!no tt!cunews!superior!bhetheri From: bhetheri@superior.carleton.ca (Brian Hetherington) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees out on snow dying Date: 19 Feb 1996 14:59:58 GMT Organization: Carleton University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4ga39e$kpp@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: superior.carleton.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] second try on this one as someone said the was only a subject heading & no message................................... I live in western Quebec Canada, I am having trouble with bees leaving the hive on sunny but cold days but dying almost instantly. I know this happens on a small scale but I am loosing hundreds plus. Does someone know why ??? What can be done to prevent problem? Has anyone else experienced anything similar this winter ? -- Brian. H. >From dags@wimsey.com Sat Feb 24 00:28:15 EST 1996 Article: 3602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: bigblue.oit.unc.edu!concert!gatech!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.u u.net!van-bc!pm030.bby.wis.net!dags From: dags@wimsey.com (Darlene Scribilo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apitherapy and the Law Date: Mon, 19 Feb 1996 15:44:29 GMT Organization: Wimsey Associates Lines: 35 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: pm030.bby.wis.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Time: february 19, 1996. 07:47 Apitherapy and the law As apitherapy becomes more widely used, apitherapists will require guidelines f or dealing with the legal aspects of the treatment of their clients. I am planning to publ ish a book on Apitherapy and the Law. I would like to hear from apitherapists, physicians and others who may have used bee hive products (bee venom - bee sting therapy, propolis, p ollen, royal jelly and honey) for maintaining and promoting health. Therapists who hav e been or know someone who has been involved with the legal aspects of their activities o f treating