From joylsoc@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:32:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: joylsoc@aol.com (JOYLSOC) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Equipment for sale Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 1999 04:16:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990703001649.07918.00005170@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19071 What are you asking; shipping, etc. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:32:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-238.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Fri, 02 Jul 1999 23:26:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.ee X-Server-Date: 3 Jul 1999 05:30:25 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:142 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19072 In article , "Jeff" wrote: > I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved > potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. I started with two books: "First Lessons in Beekeeping" from Dadant and Sons, and "Beekeeping- A Pracitcal Guide" by Richard Bonney. Others here, with years more experience than me, strongly recommend "The Hive and the Honeybee." -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From stoneacres@netscape.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Honey Man" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Newbie info Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <%6pf3.5445$I72.594632@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:29:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931012155 204.186.180.108 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:29:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:29:15 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:143 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19073 Jeff If you are considering bees for profit, you should look into doing pollination for orchards. Pollination is guaranteed money. Honey prices have started to fall back into the .50 per lb. range, and it is hard to make money at that price, with all of the medications and work needed by the bees. For more info check out this website - www.draperbee.com Good luck! Royal Jeff wrote in message ... >I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved >potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > From stoneacres@netscape.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!hub1.ispnews.com!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Honey Man" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <930825938.846.19@news.remarQ.com> Subject: Re: Honey Bottle Source Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:39:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.108 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931012749 204.186.180.108 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:39:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 10:39:09 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19074 We sell plastic 8 oz., 1 lb. bottles and Bears for honey. Here is a link to our site www.draperbee.com Call me if have any questions. Royal Draper 800-233-4273 draperb@ptd.net David James wrote in message <930825938.846.19@news.remarQ.com>... >Does anyone know of a manufacturer/factory source for plastic bottles >suitable for bottling honey. Also which size of bottle of honey sells the >best for you? > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:12:07 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931003753 75580 209.130.165.15 (3 Jul 1999 12:09:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 1999 12:09:13 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19075 Find someone in the business and work with them for awhile. Attend as many beekeeping meetings as you can (you owe it to ourself and the industry) and there you will be able to make contacts with other beekeepers in your area...talk to them...they can provide the best information. You can read all the books you want but the best knowledge will come from hands-on experience. --Busybee Jeff wrote in message ... >I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved >potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: we've been adopted Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 07:21:57 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7lkv3n$2828$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931004343 73800 209.130.165.15 (3 Jul 1999 12:19:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 1999 12:19:03 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19076 That's great that they chose you! Unless you want the committment to manage this swarm, I would call a beekeeper in your area to come and get them. If you have your heart set in keeping them in your yard, maybe you can make a deal with the beekeep to hive the swarm for you and he/she can work with you to get to know the bees and the involvement of managing a hive. There is more here than meets the eye. --Busybee SunnyDiane wrote in message <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com>... >A swarm of honey bees have set up housekeeping in the eave of our house. We >like having them around, just not necessarily in that location. My husband >built a bee box, but think he was too late in getting it out. We live in >northwest Washington state-- will the bees stay here all winter or do they >migrate somewhere warmer? How do we encourage them to move into the bee box >and if we do succeed in getting them to move, can we then move the bee box to a >protected location that isn't right by the front door? Any advise will "bee" >appreciated. SunnyDiane From eford@ipa.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.218.170.35!news.ipa.net!not-for-mail From: "j.b.ford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 2 queens? Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 14:15:43 -0500 Organization: Internet Partners of America Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7lln7p$6kt$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-2-39.bat.ipa.net X-Trace: news.ipa.net 931029049 6813 207.13.33.39 (3 Jul 1999 19:10:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipa.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jul 1999 19:10:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19077 i just found a hive with one queen above the excluder and one below with one super of honey between the brood. how common is this? -- j.b.ford From h.tait@home.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lgr8i$foh$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990701231715.14796.00000711@ng-xa1.aol.com> <377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net> Subject: Re: queen replacement Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:14:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 931032856 24.65.132.209 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 13:14:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 13:14:16 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19078 I hear the devil comes in all shapes , sizes and genders. He is the master of lies and illusion. At this point I am bailing out. lolotf hugh Boschman hughes Apiaries AL wrote in message news:377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net... > LauraMLeek wrote: > > > > NO, I think Hugh was right.........The devil himself. > > > NO, I think George has a point, at least biologically. Then again, I > think he has a point.... > > > AL From gwoods@albany.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.monmouth.com!not-for-mail From: gwoods@albany.net (Gary Woods) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queens? Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:39:28 GMT Organization: Monmouth Internet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <377e7472.84166854@news.monmouth.com> References: <7lln7p$6kt$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm7p9.albany.albany.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19079 "j.b.ford" wrote: > i just found a hive with one queen above the excluder and one below with >one super of honey between the brood. how common is this? More common than you think: I recall a thread here on that subject, and apparently a second queen is not at all uncommon, especially when the first one is getting a little "long in the tooth." We don't often tumble to it, because, "There she is; brood pattern looks good; on to the next hive." -- Gary Woods O- K2AHC Public keys at www.albany.net/~gwoods, or get 0x1D64A93D via keyserver gwoods@albany.net gwoods@wrgb.com fingerprint = E2 6F 50 93 7B C7 F3 CA 1F 8B 3C C0 B0 28 68 0B From Fivepoint@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: Fivepoint@webtv.net (Daniel Restle) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 16:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAiv2qvjiZyBiBeEkMnp9N4GA6jwMCFCRwSix1lRcuD1nz+lxKfqT9CX/X Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19080 Who is Martha Stewart !!!!! Picture Julia Child in spandex on speed From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jul 1999 21:01:03 GMT References: <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990703170103.19825.00001529@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19081 >Picture Julia Child in spandex on Yeah but Julia is talented. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: we've been adopted Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 15:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <12606-377E8CE2-4@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAp+A8vFuD+8h9PgHB/uT7jthkM08CFQCHm1XJQaNCJY3jAvTZcuYmTZcvKw== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19082 Are the bees nesting or are they still in a swarm? They may be a little challenge to move if they are inside and already building comb. They are more difficult because honey, wax and other products of a hive become a part of your home. This location will always be attractive to bees in the future. They will stay in their new home if they are protected from elements and as long as they can keep the mites off them. From dainton@globalnet.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: "Christopher Dainton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen replacement Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 22:02:12 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lm4od$2fq$1@gxsn.com> References: <7lgr8i$foh$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990701231715.14796.00000711@ng-xa1.aol.com> <377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.133.246 X-Trace: 931042893 1NNUCNF1G85F6C393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19083 Perhaps the devil itself !!? Chris AL wrote in message <377C4478.5D4D@midwest.net>... >LauraMLeek wrote: >> >> NO, I think Hugh was right.........The devil himself. > > >NO, I think George has a point, at least biologically. Then again, I >think he has a point.... > > >AL From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr2.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:31:42 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.169.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.twcny.rr.com 931047739 24.95.169.104 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:22:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 20:22:19 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19084 1. Some years ago there appeared an alternative to Apistan on the U.S. market ("Miticur" I think; not sure of the name) and it was pulled fairly soon after. It hasn't been made available again since, AFAIK. a few questions: Weren't these strips supposed to treat both mites? Was the active varroacide fluvalinate, just as in Apistan? What was the anti-acarine ingredient? and Why was it so quickly taken off the market? 2. Recently one of the guys at Dadant told me of yet another mite-strip being used these days. At least by some large commercial outfits in parts of the South. Something more potent against varroa -- not sure what the active chemical is, but he candidly described it as "nasty." Is such a strip available, having been approved? Name? Or must the majority of us proceed right on to formic acid... (This has all probably been hashed over to death on the ng, but if someone could give me a brief rundown I'd appreciate it.) many thanks From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:21:22 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 10 Message-ID: <377EB712.2B9759EE@kingston.net> References: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.112 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:19:20 GMT X-Trace: 931051160.584.8 QANSHOMNI3470CDD2C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19085 Hi Joel, The product that is out now in the United States is called Checkmite+. It is used against varroa and the small hive beetle and is manufactured by Bayer. They say the compound has been used by European beekeepers since the 1980's to fight varroa. For more information call 1-800-233-6663 or 1-800-880-7694. And NY is approved to use it. Good luck. Kent From jason71@usit.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Jason Wilson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: aggressive hive! Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 02:58:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.144.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 931057121 216.80.144.132 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:58:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:58:41 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19086 I have just been in the hobby for a short time and I have a strange thing going on! I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super (beginning to draw comb). Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Other days you can work them bare handed. First, does this hive need to be split with 2 new queens? Or would requeening it as is work? Second, would the scent of other bee on the gloves and bee jacket cause this reaction? Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! (7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! Jason Wilson To reply e-mail, remove Percent Sign Jason%@cococo.net From mdiver@voy.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ21b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Lye or Bleach? From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.171.79 X-Trace: typ21b.nn.bcandid.com 931060403 209.42.171.79 (Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:53:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 23:53:23 EDT Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:53:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19087 I know that lye works for taking care of AFB by killing th spore. So wouldn't bleach work also in a 10 to 1 ratio? That ratio works for killing the HIV virus, it seems to me that it should work for AFB also. Does anyone have any Idea if it would work or not? From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19088 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 22:38:12 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 13 Message-ID: <377ED724.C2F@midwest.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.16 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 03:53:22 GMT X-Trace: 931060402.068.35 JF3D7GB4M1C10D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19088 Daniel Restle wrote: > > Who is Martha Stewart !!!!! > Picture Julia Child in spandex on speed Hey, thats not fair to Julia... bon appetite AL From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19089 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-160.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 21:54:16 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.a0 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 03:55:10 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19089 In article , "Jason Wilson" wrote: > Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! > (7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! Damn. Are you wearing gloves and netting? Even a bee suit? Where are you located? I wonder if some Africanized drones may have mated with your queen, thus producing more aggressive workers. I'm a novice, so this is pure speculation. I'm still yet to be stung by my girls, though! ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jul 7 06:33:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19090 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 04:03:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704000350.15120.00000611@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19090 >I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in >April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(beginning to draw comb). > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Sounds like a hive that is doing very well, and filled up its boxes so full that it's getting crowded. Any hive that is crowded is apt to be snotty. Are you seeing lots of burr comb being built? Burr comb is a warning that the hive is too crowded, especially if it's on the bottom of the cover. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From timjk@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19091 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: timjk@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Exluder??? Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 04:05:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.96.90.101 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 04 04:05:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 206.96.90.101 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19091 It's only been a day since I've added my super and queen excluder but the bees have'nt passed through it yet. Should I bee getting excited about this or just give them some more time? Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19092 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 04:42:24 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19092 >work for AFB also. Does anyone have >any Idea if it would work or not? > the afb spore has survived in the lab for 50+ years now, it is assumed by researchers that an atomic blast might kill it. no my friend, clorox will not work ethelenedibromide fumigation, scorching maybe, lye boiling more possibly but not bleach. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19093 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 04:47:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704004711.12476.00003735@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19093 > Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(begin >Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the put a little rock under the back of the top cover,gives em some more ventilation put up a scare crow about 6 - 8 feet in front of the hive, make sure there is plenty of movement like sleeves blowing in the wind and realize that like you bees have bad days wear light clothing, no fancy shampoos or cologne Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19094 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 05:43:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19094 I remember reading in a beginning beekeeping book that package bees are good to start new beekeepers with because a new small colony is gentle and easy to work with -- however, as a hive grows bigger, it becomes more aggressive. (I'm a first-year beekeeper too.) My thriving hive of package bees that I started in early April has become quite aggressive. Sometimes bees seem to just take after me for no reason. It could just be that your hive has reached that point in its development, and learning to live with such hives is a fact of beekeeper existence. From Amschelp@pe.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19095 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Bob was Rong Message-ID: Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.219 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931067692 216.100.28.219 (Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:54:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 01:54:52 EDT Date: Sat, 3 Jul 1999 22:59:35 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19095 Bee Bob said that the bees in the honey super would move down into the top bar hive if I just kept feeding them. I have been feeding them and they have been doing fine progressing nicely but they still haven't gone down to live in the top bar hive. They check it out, of course, and walk around in it, but they haven't started drawing comb down there, and not many are even going in there. In colonies I've had before they always progress from the bottom to the top, not from the top to the bottom, but who am I to doubt Bee Bob? Maybe I will remove the honey super and remove the top bars and then lay two wooden slats along the top bar hive so that the honey super frames will be able to be hung down into the top bar hive. Right now the top of the top bar hive is too wide to suspend the frames, so with the slats I can make it fit and then I'll just hang the honey super frames in the top bar hive. I will then fill in the open space with top bars and put the empty honey super back on top of the top bar hive. I wonder how the bees will like them apples? From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19096 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 10:58:13 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7lng5b$l29$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19096 "Jason Wilson" wrote: >I have just been in the hobby for a short time and I have a strange thing >going on! I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in >April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(beginning to draw comb). > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Other >days you can work them bare handed. First, does this hive need to be split >with 2 new queens? Or would requeening it as is work? Second, would the >scent of other bee on the gloves and bee jacket cause this reaction? > Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! >(7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! >Jason Wilson >To reply e-mail, remove Percent Sign Jason%@cococo.net You didn't give your location. If the honey flow has slowed down for the summer the bees tend to protect what they stored in the spring. In the summer a lot of flowers only produce nectar early in the morning. Work the bees then. Once the flowers shut down, the foragers all come home in a rather pissed off state of mind. Requeening with a very gentle stock like New World Carniolans will solve the problem reguardless. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19097 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!remarQ-uK!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 07:51:54 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Message-ID: <377F4ADA.DF0A946@kingston.net> References: Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.140 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 11:49:58 GMT X-Trace: 931088998.217.51 QANSHOMNI348CCDD2C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19097 Hi Jason, The group has covered the main reasons for a hive to be aggressive. Since you didn't give your location it makes it a little more difficult for the group to narrow it down. One thing that happened to me the last few years is skunks started to visit the hives at night. My ussually nice quite hives became quite aggitated when I opened them. Not to the piont of stinging me but I knew something was wrong. I'm located in Ontario and since there are plenty of grubs for the skunks to eat still, they haven't bothered the hives yet. I got rid of 5 two years ago and 2 last year. I'm not saying you have skunks, but just keep your eyes open for evidence of intruders. Kent Stienburg From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19098 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 10:50:00 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 64 Message-ID: <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19098 JGinNY wrote: >1. Some years ago there appeared an alternative to Apistan on the U.S. >market ("Miticur" I think; not sure of the name) and it was pulled >fairly soon after. It hasn't been made available again since, AFAIK. >a few questions: >Weren't these strips supposed to treat both mites? Yes. >Was the active varroacide fluvalinate, just as in Apistan? No. >What was the anti-acarine ingredient? Amitraz. >Why was it so quickly taken off the market? Supposably it was pulled because some bees were killed by the strips. Beekeepers were also buying and cutting up cattle collars that were identical. The only people buying cattle collars were beekeepers and they pulled the collars as well. Personally I think they pulled it because the mites become resistant to Amitraz so quickly. Two years and they have adapted, at least that was my experience here. This is also the reason few beekeepers use Tactic anymore to treat for varroa. >2. Recently one of the guys at Dadant told me of yet another mite-strip >being used these days. At least by some large commercial outfits in >parts of the South. Something more potent against varroa -- not sure >what the active chemical is, but he candidly described it as "nasty." >Is such a strip available, having been approved? Name? Or must the >majority of us proceed right on to formic acid... This might be Bayer Bee Strips produced by the Bayer Company. We have a EPA section 18 for them here in Maryland. The active ingredient is Coumaphos and it works against the hive beetle as well. >(This has all probably been hashed over to death on the ng, but if >someone could give me a brief rundown I'd appreciate it.) >many thanks Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19099 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 06:21:48 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-103.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931087135 49462 209.130.165.103 (4 Jul 1999 11:18:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 11:18:55 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19099 Usually, the bees are into a newly added super in a matter of minutes. Did you add a box of undrawn foundation? Sometimes you need to entice them with a few frames of drawn comb (better with a little honey and pollen in it). Sometimes it does take a little longer...do you have strong bees in the bottom super(s)? I can tell a nice strong hive when the top cover is popped there is a collective "surprised" hum that's hard to miss. Gosh, that is a nice sound... --Busybee timjk@my-deja.com wrote in message <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >It's only been a day since I've added my super and queen excluder >but the bees have'nt passed through it yet. Should I bee getting >excited about this or just give them some more time? > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19100 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.50.235.254!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 06:12:49 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7lnfe4$29l8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-103.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931086596 75432 209.130.165.103 (4 Jul 1999 11:09:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 11:09:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19100 Mark that hive for a definate re-queening. IMO, come fall stings pack more punch, too! --Busybee Jason Wilson wrote in message ... >I have just been in the hobby for a short time and I have a strange thing >going on! I have a hive the grew quite rapidly from a package started in >April. Right now the hive is 2 brood boxes (FULL) plus 1 shallow super >(beginning to draw comb). > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Other >days you can work them bare handed. First, does this hive need to be split >with 2 new queens? Or would requeening it as is work? Second, would the >scent of other bee on the gloves and bee jacket cause this reaction? > Someone please help, these bees are stinging the hell out of me! >(7 Today) Didn't even open that hive! > > >Jason Wilson >To reply e-mail, remove Percent Sign Jason%@cococo.net > > From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19101 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 18:38:28 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704143828.19829.00002161@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19101 You owe it to yourself to requeen mean hives. The bees should not be seeking you out to sting even in a dearth of nectar. But they sure will beat you up when you work the hive during a dearth. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19102 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 18:34:06 GMT References: <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704143406.19829.00002157@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19102 Anyone know if CT has been approved for the new mite poison ? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19103 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jul 1999 17:35:06 GMT References: <377F4ADA.DF0A946@kingston.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704133506.11261.00010029@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19103 Hi Kent, How did you get rid of your skunks? All the books suggest a board full of nails under the landing board. All that hammering seems too time consuming, and the device itself could be hazardous to my own health. Someone here in eastern Massachusetts recommended putting the hives on a stand about 12-18 inches off the ground (cinder blocks standing on end), and then hanging chicken wire from the landing board to the ground. The skunks, according to this person, avoid the wire because it reminds them of traps. It seems to me though that skunks in increasingly urbanized America might learn to be kind of cavilier about wire, since it's everywhere. Nevertheless, I put the wire up on all my hives just because I'm a first-year beekeep and I wanted to try to eliminate as many variables as possible. JM From dscribner@NOSPAMbigfoot.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19104 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "David Scribner" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 15:44:27 -0500 Organization: Computer Consultant Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7loh1t$omt@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: Reply-To: "David Scribner" NNTP-Posting-Host: stl-mo14-35.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jul 04 3:43:41 PM CDT 1999 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:144 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19104 The two you started with are great books, Charles. The Hive and the Honey Bee, although a very extensive book on the subject of honey bees, and beekeeping, is found to be "too in-depth" for many bee-ginners. A much more simple book, or should I say, more comprehensible for those just starting out, is preferred by many. When I first started, it was with a fellow beekeeper's books he lent me... "First Lessons", along with A.I. Root's "Starting Right with Bees" and "The Hive and the Honey Bee". I relished the info in "First Lessons" and "Starting Right", but in all honesty, there was so much in THATHB that went right over my head, I didn't get much out of it until later on. It is now, though, one of my more valuable (and expensive) books on bees in my library. --David Scribner - Ballwin, MO, USA Niche on the Net! - Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message: > I started with two books: > > "First Lessons in Beekeeping" from Dadant and Sons, and "Beekeeping- A > Pracitcal Guide" by Richard Bonney. Others here, with years more > experience than me, strongly recommend "The Hive and the Honeybee." From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19105 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:47:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7lol04$qh0$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931125060 27168 62.136.90.96 (4 Jul 1999 21:51:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 21:51:00 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19105 Jason Wilson wrote in message ... > Now for my question! These bees are very aggressive on some days, to >the point you can't even get in the bee yard without getting stung. Two additional points to those already posted: On the days when you were attacked, were you using after shave or deodorant - or maybe a different one to when you were not attacked. I used to look after some hives for a friend (female) and every time she 'helped' with the hives we were attacked; when she was not there, the bees were very gentle; she wore expensive perfume - always! If this is not the reason, then requeen asap - that hive will be producing drones that will spread the bad temper to surrounding colonies. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19106 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:31:18 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931125056 27168 62.136.90.96 (4 Jul 1999 21:50:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 21:50:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19106 Did you really mean pollen? In a super? And where is the honey coming from? another colony? sounds like a recipe for spreading disease to me. But I will agree to the drawn comb! Give them time - they will move up when they are ready. busybee wrote in message <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Usually, the bees are into a newly added super in a matter of minutes. Did >you add a box of undrawn foundation? Sometimes you need to entice them with >a few frames of drawn comb (better with a little honey and pollen in it). > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19107 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 22:39:47 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lol02$qh0$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-96.tretinoin.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931125058 27168 62.136.90.96 (4 Jul 1999 21:50:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jul 1999 21:50:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19107 >wouldn't bleach work also in a 10 to 1 ratio? That ratio works for killing the >HIV virus, it seems to me that it should work for AFB also. Does anyone have >any Idea if it would work or not? > What kills HIV virus is irrelevant. AFB is a spore forming bacterium - are the spores are incredibly resilient. As far as I know, only gamma radiation or ethylene oxide fumigation will give 100% kill; however, other treatments may well reduce the level sufficiently to prevent the disease recurring (see my recent posting - 29/06/99). I have to say, though, that not many people recommend trying bleach! From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19108 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:21:34 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <7lng5b$l29$2@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:25:13 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19108 In article <7lng5b$l29$2@news1.Radix.Net>, honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) wrote: > > Requeening with a very gentle stock like New World > Carniolans will solve the problem reguardless. > What are the upsides and downsides of the various races? What of introducing a queen of one sort within a hive of another. While I've read about these matters, I'd just be curious what folks in the real world have to say... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19109 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:16:28 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:20:07 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19109 In article <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > clorox will not work > ethelenedibromide fumigation, scorching maybe, lye boiling more possibly but > not bleach. > FWIW, a venerable beekeeper here in COSprings, while visiting my hive as a courtesy to me, mentioned that he boils any used euqipment he purchases in lye. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19110 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:18:55 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:22:34 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19110 In article <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com>, jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > My thriving hive of package bees that I started in early April has become quite > aggressive. We put ours in in late April. I've noticed my girls don't seem to tolerate me nearly as much as they did a few weeks ago. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19111 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 12:17:53 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Message-ID: References: <19990704004711.12476.00003735@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.80 X-Server-Date: 4 Jul 1999 18:21:31 GMT Lines: 15 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19111 In article <19990704004711.12476.00003735@ng-cr1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > put up a scare crow about 6 - 8 feet in front of the hive, make sure there is > plenty of movement like sleeves blowing in the wind Is this to acclimate the bees to human-like movement, or to scare away (other) animal intruders? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From nospam@home.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19112 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7le3ro$hfm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <744f3.24868$6K2.3000@news.rdc1.tx.home.com> <7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Swarm problem Lines: 44 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 23:29:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 931130985 24.6.224.103 (Sun, 04 Jul 1999 16:29:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 16:29:45 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19112 Peter: Thanks for all your info. Today I looked inside the hive containing that captured swarm. I noticed the following: 1. There were eggs in the cells, not hatched yet, but there were also the signs of laying workers (multiple eggs in one cell) 2. I saw a queen going about the cells apparently looking for cells to lay in, but she appeared small. Do they appear smaller when they are just starting to lay? 3. They were making queen cells in the middle of the combs. Why would they be doing this? Perhaps not happy with this new queen? Maybe I need to wait and see if she is laying or if ALL the eggs I saw were from workers. Any ideas, suggestions, anyone? Thanks again, George Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk... > When queens emerge from their cells they cut around the tip of the cell > until they can push it open - leaving it hanging by a 'hinge'. The workers > often push this closed and re-seal it, often with a worker inside (they seem > to go in to clean out the cell - and then die inside). > > The 'give-away' is that the tip of the cell has no wax - just the end of the > cocoon and the hinged cap will open when the tip of the hive tool is run > across it. > > When the virgin flies to mate, she sometimes takes a swarm with her - a > mating swarm. These sometimes return to the hive and sometimes simply fly > off and find a new home - I believe that queen producers expect to lose up > to 10% of their queens in this way [can anyone confirm this?]. > > From beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19113 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 20:19:19 -0400 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 11 Message-ID: <377FFA07.8483E2A2@kingston.net> References: <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> <19990704143406.19829.00002157@ng-cq1.aol.com> Reply-To: beeman@NOSPAMkingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.210.52.44 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 00:17:14 GMT X-Trace: 931133834.761.36 QANSHOMNI342CCDD2C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-IKEzilla (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19113 BeeCrofter wrote: > > Anyone know if CT has been approved for the new mite poison Tom Hi Tom, It doesn't appear that CT has been approved yet. You should call the numbers I sent to see if or when you will be on the list. Kent From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:33:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19114 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 02:50:59 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990704225059.20611.00004588@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19114 Any race of bees beats a mean hive. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19115 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 05:18:15 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705011815.22995.00009321@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19115 >> put up a scare crow about 6 - >s this to acclimate the bees to human-like movement, or to scare a exactly Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19116 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: queen replacement Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 08:24:02 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7lpq2t$eqv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7jc4k8$omd$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lajrd$gn1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3778E072.20CE25CD@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 05 08:24:02 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x28.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19116 In article , "Hugh Tait" wrote: > There are advantages to both views, and what you should do should be based > on your personal needs and experience. On the plus side to letting them > raise thier own is that you end up with bees climatized for your area over > time. When you make splits , which is artificially dequeening them do it > with you gentlest and best stock over time your stock will improve > dramatically. > I do not think that a beekeeper with little experience of selecting bees should expect to "improve dramatically" his stock in a short time. Raise from your best queens, pray that good drones are around and expect your bees to stay as good as they are would be a more reasonable description. Besides: raising queens from splits only is not reasonable. Have your best hive(s) raise a few queens: they will come handy if (when?) some of the splits fail. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19117 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 12:56:09 GMT References: <377559A3.AE73CFA4@nol.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705085609.05877.00003158@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19117 I believe Martha S. is doing a service by her beekeeping show. I haven't seen it. I assume she has the best equipment and makes quite a good presentation. The problem is not with Martha S. but with the serious commercial type beekeeper versus the hobbyist. Hobbyists out number the commercial type beekeeper and anything that encourages the hobbyist into beekeeping is good. DIY is the best. To heck with leaving it to the professionals. Al From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19118 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 08:06:03 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-48.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931179792 70888 209.130.165.48 (5 Jul 1999 13:03:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 13:03:12 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19118 Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Did you really mean pollen? In a super? > >And where is the honey coming from? another colony? sounds like a recipe for >spreading disease to me. > >But I will agree to the drawn comb! > >Give them time - they will move up when they are ready. > >busybee wrote in message <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >>Usually, the bees are into a newly added super in a matter of minutes. Did >>you add a box of undrawn foundation? Sometimes you need to entice them >with >>a few frames of drawn comb (better with a little honey and pollen in it). >> > > Yes, I meant frames with honey and pollen. Pull it up from the bottom brood super (same hive). Replace those combs taken with foundation (preferably drawn comb) along the sides of the bottom super and the drawn frames going up, place also along the sides. If you have any eggs going to the top super in a hive with a queen excluder--thats ok. --Busybee From sweiland@debitel.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19119 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed2.ecrc.net!news.dnsg.net!not-for-mail From: "sweiland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 09:32:27 +0200 Organization: Debitel Network Services GmbH Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> References: <377AAD27.1F6C@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.dnsg.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19119 Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for years and it is very effective. Formic is completely biodegradable and watersoluble. It will go into the sealed cells to kill the small mites, too. If you evaporate it after the harvest, no residues will go into the honey, and even if so, the acid will evaporate out of the hive within the next three months after the treatment. Please look at http://home.t-online.de/home/weiland.wzb/start.htm for further information (commercial site). all the best- Stefan Weiland From tomasmozer@juno.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19120 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!128.32.206.55!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Seeking info about the "other" mite strips Date: Sun, 04 Jul 1999 10:44:10 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - Discussions start here! Lines: 46 Message-ID: <377F9D6A.5DC1@juno.com> References: <377EAB68.751B6730@twcny.rr.com> <7lnflv$l29$1@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.72.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 931183298 OCZ7E7JIA48D5D11BC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) CC: tomasmozer@juno.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19120 honeybs wrote: > JGinNY wrote: > >1. Some years ago there appeared an alternative to Apistan on the U.S. > >market ("Miticur" I think; not sure of the name) and it was pulled > >fairly soon after. It hasn't been made available again since, AFAIK. > >a few questions: > >Weren't these strips supposed to treat both mites? > Yes. > >Was the active varroacide fluvalinate, just as in Apistan? > No. > >What was the anti-acarine ingredient? > Amitraz. > >Why was it so quickly taken off the market? > Supposably it was pulled because some bees were killed by > the strips. Beekeepers were also buying and cutting up > cattle collars that were identical. The only people buying > cattle collars were beekeepers and they pulled the collars > as well. Personally I think they pulled it because the > mites become resistant to Amitraz so quickly. Two years and > they have adapted, at least that was my experience here. > This is also the reason few beekeepers use Tactic anymore to > treat for varroa. another complication may have been that according to reports from california amitraz was not effective in field conditions against tracheal mites, for which it had been originally labeled... > >2. Recently one of the guys at Dadant told me of yet another mite-strip > >being used these days. At least by some large commercial outfits in > >parts of the South. Something more potent against varroa -- not sure > >what the active chemical is, but he candidly described it as "nasty." > >Is such a strip available, having been approved? Name? Or must the > >majority of us proceed right on to formic acid... > This might be Bayer Bee Strips produced by the Bayer > Company. We have a EPA section 18 for them here in > Maryland. The active ingredient is Coumaphos and it works > against the hive beetle as well. the same caveats as above may apply to checkmite+: mite resistance may develop rapidly with the use of unlabeled products, the beetles may not be effectively controlled under varied field conditions, and the jury is still out on possible synergistic effects of all chemicals in use and accumulating in beehives over time... From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19121 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: abandoned wasp nests Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 14:07:00 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705100700.06754.00003104@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19121 In my shed every summer I see wasp type nests about the size of a billard ball hanging from the roof. There is no bees in them. Why do they build them and then abandon them. Does it get too hot for them. I know they are not bumble bees or honey bees so for the sake of safety it should be okay to spray them first ask questions later. Al From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19122 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990702203123.20596.00003742@ng-cl1.aol.com> <12606-377E8CE2-4@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: we've been adopted Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:43:23 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931166494 209.69.69.104 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:34 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:34 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19122 > They will stay in their new home if they are protected from elements and > as long as they can keep the mites off them. > And If they die from mites or pesticides you will have a real mess- rotting brood, mice, and possibly honey dripping and soaking the plaster. Get these bees moved into a proper hive by an experienced beekeeper, and fill the space they were in with insulation. If you want to learn beekeeping, this is a great way to start! The beekeeper who removes the swarm may be able to help you get started. Good Luck! Ellen From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19123 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Bob was Rong Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:31:19 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931166492 209.69.69.104 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:32 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:32 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19123 (Much Snippage)....so that the honey super frames will be able to be hung down into the top bar hive. Right now the top of the top bar hive is too wide to suspend the frames, so with the slats I can make it fit and then > I'll just hang the honey super frames in the top bar hive. I will > then fill in the open space with top bars and put the empty honey > super back on top of the top bar hive. > I wonder how the bees will like them apples? Ought to work- this is similar to how I started my TBH. I took a nuc and hung the frames in my TBH with TB's placed between a couple of the frames. Slowly I added more TB's and moved the frames towards the back of the TBH. Once I had a honey barrier between the brood nest and the frames, the bees filled the frames with honey, and I removed and extracted them. Now I have only TB's. Ellen From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19124 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Can it be done? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jul 1999 13:38:41 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931166493 209.69.69.104 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:33 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 04:21:33 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19124 Daniel Restle wrote in message news:945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net... > Who is Martha Stewart !!!!! > Picture Julia Child in spandex on speed > Yes but a Julia Child who does more than cook- She wants to telly ou how to entertain, decorate, garden and anything else vaguely "Domestic" She is the only person I have heard of who makes her own christmas tree shaped marshmallows from scratch. (Probably actually done by one of her many "assistants". Ellen From sheahanrob@prolinkSPAMsoftware.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19125 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.fast.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nntp.snet.net!usenet From: "Robert Sheahan - remove the SPAM to reply" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bibliographic reference for moving eggs? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1999 07:57:50 -0400 Organization: "SNET dial access service" Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7lqgso$h0m@news1.snet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hrfr-sh14-port182.snet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19125 I occasionally teach classes on bees to non-beekeepers, and would like to include information on workers moving eggs to queen cells (I mean other than employees of Adee farms :-) ) in my presentation. To do this, I need a bibliographic reference suitable for publication. In other words, for a magazine it needs article name, magazine name, volume and issue number, author, page, and publisher. For a book, it needs author, title, page, publisher, and publication date. The referenced article should describe a scientific observation of the behaviour occuring, and the conditions and limitations if possible. An author remarking that bees sometimes move eggs isn't sufficient unless the author has phenominal credentials. This is not a "rush request" - my material is already more than enough to fill the time I'm usually given and I'm not due to make any presentations in July - so please don't bother with "it's somewhere in 'The Hive and the Honeybee'" and don't spend hours searching. I just figured that since this has become a hot topic on the news group somebody might have recently read about it. Thanks In Advance Robert From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19126 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:30:53 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3780CFAD.34E2A1C5@riverace.com> References: <377F4ADA.DF0A946@kingston.net> <19990704133506.11261.00010029@ng-cd1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: aAJR4SZBdqQtmol9/I3Qk9Q8j2A4s5v7r3nGPhekCdc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 15:30:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19126 JMitc1014 wrote: > How did you get rid of your skunks? A number of beekeepers around here (eastern MA) recommend rolling up a piece of chicken wire and putting the roll against the front of the hive. The skunks don't like to walk on the wire. Or, if you just get them up a foot or more, it's said that the skunks will have to get up on their hind feet to get to the hive entrance, making their undersides vulnerable to stings, and it's said that the skunks won't tolerate the stings in the underside the way they do in the feet or mouth. My hives are on cinderblocks, which sit on a base of crushed stone. All together the opening is about a foot off the ground. No skunks (yet...). -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19127 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!outgoing.news.rcn.net.MISMATCH!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 11:35:16 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3780D0B4.E9A6BF4A@riverace.com> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fIXgXrdcpp2u5Mo7+xzRGTrpbN28UiE4oCkicjdq904= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 15:35:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19127 I read this in a catalog (Betterbee, I think) Try rotating the excluder 90 degrees, so the ends stick out the sides. The workers will go around the side, but the queen really likes to go up the middle, which is still blocked. After the first super is full of honey, the queen won't go across it anyway. -Steve timjk@my-deja.com wrote: > > It's only been a day since I've added my super and queen excluder > but the bees have'nt passed through it yet. Should I bee getting > excited about this or just give them some more time? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From ad387@hwcn.org Wed Jul 7 06:33:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19128 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!130.185.14.36!torn!hone!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Rearing And Insemination Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 05:49:24 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lpv4t$5b4$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.194 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19128 Hi, Sue Cobey at Ohio State has an excellent video and courses on AI. Try http://iris.biosci.ohio-state.edu/honeybee/breeding/class.html . Also James Tew also has a video available from AI Root "AI of Honey Bees" Try www.airoot.com From glen@obp.agric.za Wed Jul 7 06:33:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19129 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!iafrica.com!feeder.is.co.za!hermes.is.co.za!not-for-mail From: Glen van Niekerk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: African hive beetle - On home soil Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 12:29:49 -0700 Organization: An Internet Solution Customer Lines: 30 Message-ID: <378107AB.AE73C6E5@obp.agric.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: firewall.nda.agric.za Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.08 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19129 The Small Hive Beetle, Aethina tumida is not so easy to get rid of. It is about 7 mm long and dark brown to black in colour. The adults can often be seen moving from one cell to the safety of another. They live off the products of the hive but adults do not damage the combs. The bees try to remove them or sting them but without success. Aethina breeds in the combs. The eggs are banana shaped but smaller than bee eggs. The larvae, however, are easily removed by the bees and it is only in weak colonies where there are too many combs for the bees to patrol effectively that the Aethina larvae can make any headway. They live on honey and pollen in the comb and initiate the fermentation of honey, which runs out of the comb in a frothy mass. Prevention is better than cure. Strong colonies can patrol all frames and throw out any Aethina larvae. Combs that are stored before extraction of the honey may become infested with Aethina to such an extent that the honey crop is ruined by fermentation, not to mention the possibility of getting bits and pieces of the larvae in the honey! Fumigation of combs at this stage cannot be recommended. Heat treatment of supers in a hot room would seem to be the answer. As a general guide it might be mentioned that temperatures of 39 - 430C (102 - 1090F) for two to four days are lethal to most insects. The melding point of beeswax is about 630C (145'DF) but the wax softens at 490C (1200F). If possible, however, supers to be extracted should not be stored at all. Glen van Niekerk South Africa From pollinator@aol.comnospam Wed Jul 7 06:33:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19130 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: abandoned wasp nests Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 17:14:20 GMT References: <19990705100700.06754.00003104@ngol06.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705131420.22730.00005728@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19130 >In my shed every summer I see wasp type nests about the size of a billard >ball >hanging from the roof. There is no bees in them. > >Why do they build them and then abandon them. Does it get too hot for them. > >I know they are not bumble bees or honey bees so for the sake of safety it >should be okay to spray them first ask questions later. If the nest is made of mud, they are mud dauber wasps, which are solitary and no threat at all. If they are made of paper, they are a semisocial paper wasp, and are of little threat, unless you are knocking apart their nest or providing a lot of motion right near their nest. In other words these are defensive, but nowhere near as defensive as hornets or the larger communal yellow jackets. They are part of your pest patrol, removing many pest insects from lawn and garden, so protect them as much as you can. I only remove them, if they are in my direct traffic pattern. Soapy water in a 409 spray bottle is adequate to kill them (the chemical companies don't want you to know that), but think first, if you can live with them. They only live one season at most, sometimes only a few weeks. The last generation is queens that find a hiding place until the next season and start brand new nests in new places. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19131 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-182.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 10:39:30 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3780D0B4.E9A6BF4A@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.b6 X-Server-Date: 5 Jul 1999 16:43:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19131 In article <3780D0B4.E9A6BF4A@riverace.com>, Steve Huston wrote: > I read this in a catalog (Betterbee, I think) Try rotating the excluder > 90 degrees, so the ends stick out the sides. The workers will go around > the side, but the queen really likes to go up the middle, which is still > blocked. I just put on a honey super... Can anyone confirm the effectiveness of the above method? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19132 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: abandoned wasp nests Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 18:11:09 GMT References: <19990705131420.22730.00005728@ng-ch1.aol.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705141109.05314.00004089@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19132 Dave Green writes: >They are part of your pest patrol, removing many pest insects from lawn and >garden, so protect them as much as you can. I only remove them, if they are >in >my direct traffic pattern. > > They only live one season at most, sometimes only a few weeks. The last >generation is queens that find a hiding place until the next season and start >brand new nests in new places. > > The nests are made of paper. Thank you for giving me a better understanding of this situation. I will try not to harm them unless they are a threat. I think you should think of bees as colonies or collectives. They are a life form as a colony. The prime directive should be followed. If you harm or destroy a colony for no good reason you are really doing a bad thing in a big way. Al Al From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19133 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 19:04:28 GMT References: <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705150428.04331.00004138@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19133 In article <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" writes: > I could also tell in her article by >how heavily she was outfitted with a winter jacket over her bee suit and >VERY heavy-duty gloves, standing next to Ed Weiss (true beekeeper) who was >wearing short-sleeved shirt I think, that she hadn't been really "keeping" >bees for any length of time. She's a bee-HAVER, not a bee-KEEPER. > >No disrespect meant to those that wear gloves... even I do on occasion. It >was just that she appeared to be ready to go into a hive of Africanized bees >with her full heavy-duty armor that no bee (even with a two-inch stinger) >could have got past. > If you were a Klingon you probably wouldn't bother with gloves or suit. Judging from Worf they don't exactly excel in science either. Martha S. is very sucessful in a capitalist system. Need I say more. Al From fordcar@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19134 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: carmar Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extracting Honey Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:22:29 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7lr0ld$q7q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.142.15.40 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jul 05 19:22:29 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.6 [en] (Win95; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.142.15.40 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19134 I have Five deep frames of honey that I would like to extract..Can anyone advise a reasonable way to do this without an extractor. I would like to save the comb if at all possible. When I received this hive it had two brood chambers full of brood and honey. and a third deep super with 5 frames of mostly capped honey..I removed the deep super and replaced it with shallow one. Now I Have these deep frames to extract.. Thank you Carol Martin Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19135 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why keep bees? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 14:31:58 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3781082E.3431@midwest.net> References: <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com> <19990705150428.04331.00004138@ngol04.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.26 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 19:47:16 GMT X-Trace: 931204036.499.14 JF3D7GB4M1C1AD0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19135 Jajwuth wrote: > > In article <7l5ndc$l5n@dfw-ixnews12.ix.netcom.com>, "David Scribner" > writes: > > > I could also tell in her article by > >how heavily she was outfitted with a winter jacket over her bee suit and > >VERY heavy-duty gloves, standing next to Ed Weiss (true beekeeper) who was > >wearing short-sleeved shirt I think, that she hadn't been really "keeping" > >bees for any length of time. She's a bee-HAVER, not a bee-KEEPER. > > > >No disrespect meant to those that wear gloves... even I do on occasion. It > >was just that she appeared to be ready to go into a hive of Africanized bees > >with her full heavy-duty armor that no bee (even with a two-inch stinger) > >could have got past. > > > > If you were a Klingon you probably wouldn't bother with gloves or suit. > Judging from Worf they don't exactly excel in science either. Martha S. is very > sucessful in a capitalist system. Need I say more. > > Al No - please... AL From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19136 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Races of Bees Date: 5 Jul 1999 19:53:47 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lr2gb$3636$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <24514-37757137-18@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931204427 000 192.168.254.73 (5 Jul 1999 19:53:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 19:53:47 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19136 >Hello all. I am a first year beekeeper. I started in May with two >established hives which are doing fine. I have captured a couple of >swarms and one of them is doing fine but I believe the last one as no >queen. > +++++++++++ i got my first hive in may, although folks advised to do so, i am glad i didnt start with two, one is more than enough to get used to. i admire your willingness to start with two. From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19137 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees go buckwild! Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:38:21 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lr53t$1d6a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931207101 000 192.168.254.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:38:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:38:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19137 one day last week, on a cloudy day at 5:30pm. hundreds, maybe thousands of bees from my hive started flying in chaotic circles up to six feet over the hive, that was the only time i saw that, what on earth was that about? it looked like tiny tornado. one robin took advantage of the situation by swooping thru the could to catch one on the wing. if possible cc email me at cmbh71c@prodigy.com thanks From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19138 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newscon02!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:13:45 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lr3lp$6lgm$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931205625 000 192.168.254.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:13:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:13:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19138 yeah, i remember having the same feeling when i first opened the brood chamber, thank goodness fellow beekeeper Ellen Anglin came down to my hive and helped me with looking in my hive. picking up each frame and looking at what they are doing was important to me if i ever was going to get used to keeping bees. you should ask the guy that sold you the hives to come over one day and help you look in your hives. at least one day should make a difference. by the way, get a frame lifter or frame gripper, i just ordered one, i spent a lot of time trying to pick up those frames with my gloved hands and most of my time was wasted that way. i thinks its as important as a hive tool or a smoker. some day i will try bare handed, but aint ready for that right now. At this point I'm staring down into a bottom box overflowing with bees, >and feeling totally out of my league. I couldn't see the Apistan strip >anywhere. Nor was I willing to start pulling frames to look - I had >already crushed several bees when prying the boxes apart, plus whatever >damage I had done when the bottom frame(s) were sliding up and down. And >the bees were agitated, which means I was agitated... Figuring that I had >already done enough damage for the day (and after staring into the box for >a while out of fascination), I put it all together again and left them >alone to settle down. > So here are my questions: > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19139 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:44:58 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7lr5j4$8t6$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990704004224.12476.00003731@ng-cr1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 931207588 9126 62.136.79.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:46:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:46:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19139 >hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > >> clorox will not work >> ethelenedibromide fumigation, scorching maybe, lye boiling more possibly but >> not bleach. Just for the record, could we have precise definition of 'lye'? Quantities, strength etc. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19140 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:20:40 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 931207584 9126 62.136.79.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:46:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:46:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19140 busybee wrote in message <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > >Yes, I meant frames with honey and pollen. Pull it up from the bottom brood >super (same hive). Ah! with you now. Of course, you are using supers of the same depth as brood. This is not usual in the UK where supers are shallower - and I would suggest that most of us here only use one brood box UK beekeepers note the word 'most' before you reach for your keyboards). I would still maintain that the bees will move up when they are ready and there is no need to try to encourage them. > > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:33:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19141 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!hydra.cs.rochester.edu!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news.hyperioncom.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm problem Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 21:39:36 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7lr5j3$8t6$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7le3ro$hfm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <744f3.24868$6K2.3000@news.rdc1.tx.home.com> <7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-73.methylphenidate.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news4.svr.pol.co.uk 931207587 9126 62.136.79.73 (5 Jul 1999 20:46:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jul 1999 20:46:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19141 George C wrote in message ... > >1. There were eggs in the cells, not hatched yet, but there were also the >signs of laying workers (multiple eggs in one cell) > >2. I saw a queen going about the cells apparently looking for cells to lay >in, but she appeared small. Do they appear smaller when they are just >starting to lay? > >3. They were making queen cells in the middle of the combs. Why would they >be doing this? Perhaps not happy with this new queen? Maybe I need to wait >and see if she is laying or if ALL the eggs I saw were from workers. If you saw the queen then it is unlikely that the eggs are from laying workers - new queens do sometimes lay multiple eggs in cells especially if there are few vacant cells; some times the bees (with no brood to feed) fill the cells so quickly that the queen has nowhere to lay at all. If there is no space try putting an empty super (i.e. a super with empty drawn comb!) immediately over the brood box so that they can move some up. Yes - queens often look smaller until they are in full lay. Are these really queen cells or just cups? If cells then there may be a problem with the queen - simply wait until the first brood is sealed - not long now - and you will then know if it is good wrker brood from the queen. From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19142 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Thawing Comb Honey Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 14:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 16 Message-ID: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAhEn8yggbxo3FTc+DeIAIhAZyjkECFCbP/wZB6CDFnw/o3ClhmrCcJvq0 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19142 Hi All, I am going to harvest my first super of comb honey (for the very first time) and I have read and heard that these should be frozen overnight in a plastic bag to kill any moth larvae. What is the best way to thaw the comb (keeping moisture on the comb to a minimum? Also, what is the best way to cut and package the comb? I've seen pictures of it being cut on the screen with tray underneath or just on foil. It seems they screened tray would be the best for gathering the spills. Are the square cutters worth the money? I suspect the small plastic square boxes are the best way to store cut combs. Thanks for any advice. From nospam@home.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19143 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7le3ro$hfm$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <744f3.24868$6K2.3000@news.rdc1.tx.home.com> <7ljijj$fht$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lr5j3$8t6$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Subject: Re: Swarm problem Lines: 32 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:42:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.6.224.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.tx.home.com 931214571 24.6.224.103 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:42:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 15:42:51 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19143 Peter Edwards wrote in message news:7lr5j3$8t6$2@news4.svr.pol.co.uk... > > If you saw the queen then it is unlikely that the eggs are from laying > workers - new queens do sometimes lay multiple eggs in cells especially if > there are few vacant cells; some times the bees (with no brood to feed) fill > the cells so quickly that the queen has nowhere to lay at all. If there is > no space try putting an empty super (i.e. a super with empty drawn comb!) > immediately over the brood box so that they can move some up. > > Yes - queens often look smaller until they are in full lay. > > Are these really queen cells or just cups? If cells then there may be a > problem with the queen - simply wait until the first brood is sealed - not > long now - and you will then know if it is good wrker brood from the queen. > They were cells. They were built up more and had royal jelly in them, too. Could not see larvae, but then this queen just started laying. Did not know new queen might lay multiple eggs in one cell. Thanks for your continuing replies and information. George From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19144 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 23:55:11 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705195511.12518.00005608@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19144 Hi Stretch and Steve H: One other development where I'm at in Eastern MA. We are in the middle of one heck of a drought/heat wave/nectar shortage. Is this a precipitating factor to the aggressiveness of my hive? Since this is my first year, I don't know on the basis of personal experience if there is a relationship between the drought and the nectar shortage -- but it sounds like a good theory to me. I read a Kim Flottum (editor, Bee Culture) column written a few years ago during an El Nino summer that described nectar shortages during a drought, and the need to feed in order for your bees to make it through. I'm now feeding my 3 smallest hives (2 afterswarms and a late-season nuc that will be combined with a failing package hive that swarmed) to ensure they will be ready for the winter when, or if, it comes. John From jmitc1014@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19145 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jul 1999 23:57:32 GMT References: <3780CFAD.34E2A1C5@riverace.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705195732.12518.00005609@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19145 Hi Steve, I, too, am in eastern MA. We're in the middle of a nectar shortage in my area right now. My question to you is -- Is this normal or is this being caused by the heat wave and the drought? What's your experience with the flows this time of year? Thanks in advance John From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19146 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 00:37:33 GMT References: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705203733.22995.00009647@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19146 >I have read and heard that these should be frozen overnight in >a plastic bag to kill any moth larvae. > > nope 72 hours at least, or 24 at -0 most freezers will work at the 72 hr period very well just let em thaw out on ya counter, inside a sharp paring knife works well to cut, but nothing will if still frozen !!! tryung to cut frozen comb is disaster Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19147 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lye or Bleach? Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 00:41:58 GMT References: <7lr5j4$8t6$3@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705204158.22995.00009648@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19147 >Just for the record, could we have precise definition of 'lye'? Quantities, >strength etc. > hehe once more unto the breech my friends 55 gal drum set up on bricks fill with aprox 40 gal of water add 5 - 6 boxes of red devil lye to the cold water NEVER ADD LYE TO HOT WATER IT WILL BLOW UP IN YOUR FACE !!!!!! stir heat water to boiling, submerse frames, boxes etc for aprox 3 minutes a pitch fork works well for this rinse well Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19148 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!ip.att.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 12:54:30 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7lrkq2$69l$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.94 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931223170 6453 12.72.50.94 (6 Jul 1999 01:06:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 01:06:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19148 Ideally, the novices started with a marked queen. If not, you really don't know if you have had a supercedure. Temperment can be a problem in some of the hybrids if they have raised a daughter queen. If you start with a hybrid, you are pretty much committed to requeening with purchased queens. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0407991218550001@pool-207-205-214-128.dnvr.grid.net... > In article <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com>, > jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) wrote: > > > > > My thriving hive of package bees that I started in early April has > become quite > > aggressive. > > We put ours in in late April. I've noticed my girls don't seem to > tolerate me nearly as much as they did a few weeks ago. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From calin@ozemail.com.au Wed Jul 7 06:33:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19149 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 11:10:35 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3781578B.77B0AF64@ozemail.com.au> References: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 931223478 15880 203.63.79.234 (6 Jul 1999 01:11:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 01:11:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19149 Hank Mishima wrote: > I am going to harvest my first super of comb honey (for the very first > time) and I have read and heard that these should be frozen overnight in > a plastic bag to kill any moth larva Extract the honey first, then freeze the frame. I think you have not understood the problem. Bees will control the wax moths on frame in the hive. As you remove the combs from the hive, they have no any wax moth lava on them. If you store old frames some where else (not on the hive) the wax moth can build up. As long as you exract your honey as soon as it comes off the hive you won't have a problem with wax moth in your honey. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19150 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 18:10:44 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-42.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931224806 47454 209.130.165.42 (6 Jul 1999 01:33:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 01:33:26 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19150 This is another way to help bring the bees up to the top supers... take drawn comb and "zebra-stipe" it with foundation. If putting on a box of brand new foundation--use 10 frames to a box. If mixing new foundation and drawn in the "zebra-stripe" fashion, put 9 frames in a box. If its all drawn comb - use 8 frames and the bees will draw the comb out deeper. Works for us. I totally agree though that they will come up in their own sweet time. We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going up when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together in the colony make-up. --Busybee Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >busybee wrote in message <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... > >> >>Yes, I meant frames with honey and pollen. Pull it up from the bottom >brood >>super (same hive). > >Ah! with you now. > >Of course, you are using supers of the same depth as brood. This is not >usual in the UK where supers are shallower - and I would suggest that most >of us here only use one brood box UK beekeepers note the word 'most' before >you reach for your keyboards). > >I would still maintain that the bees will move up when they are ready and >there is no need to try to encourage them. >> >> >> > > From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19151 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 01:40:20 GMT References: <3781578B.77B0AF64@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705214020.08946.00002516@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19151 >that these should be frozen overnight in >> a plastic bag to kill any moth larva > >Extract the honey first, then freeze the frame. > he's talkin cut comb chris . no extracting cut comb. Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19152 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 01:56:30 GMT References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19152 >Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little fingers Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19153 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: African hive beetle - On home soil Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 01:52:09 GMT References: <378107AB.AE73C6E5@obp.agric.za> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705215209.08946.00002524@ng-fn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19153 >The Small Hive Beetle, Aethina tumida is not so easy to get rid of. It > > >Glen van Niekerk > >South Africa > > Thanks for the info Glen !!! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jjkquin@worldnet.att.net Wed Jul 7 06:33:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19154 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!colt.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!attmtf!ip.att.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Jared Quintana" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: top bar hive problem Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 19:39:24 -0600 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.74.2.18 X-Trace: bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net 931226940 8062 12.74.2.18 (6 Jul 1999 02:09:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 02:09:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19154 Help! I'm new to beekeeping and put together a top bar hive- mostly because it's cheap. Now i'm about to give up. My hive is about three months old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. I lift up the bar and it just seperates from the comb! Also, i can't seem to coax the bees into making the combs straight. They build it in- it's hard to describe- almost like a teardrop shape. They build a couple of these per bar and they build them overlapping in some spots and completely unconnected in others. Then they attach the different sections together so when i pull one bar the comb on the next bar pulls too and falls off. I've lost lots of brood and all of the combs filled with honey. What am i doing wrong? Thank you to any and all who reply. i can be reached at: jjkquin2@worldnet.att.net --jesse From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:33:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19155 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 02:43:34 GMT References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990705224334.04332.00004403@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19155 "Jared Quintana" writes: >They build it in- it's hard to >describe- almost like a teardrop shape. sounds like a crying shame and a spoof maybe you should tend to your LH Al From jason71@usit.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19156 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news1.usit.net!not-for-mail From: "Jason Wilson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Thanks for everything! Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 02:56:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.148.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usit.net X-Trace: news1.usit.net 931229772 216.80.148.120 (Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:56:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:56:12 EDT Organization: U. S. Internet, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19156 Thank you all for your input and advice. I may catch on to all this eventually! Jason Wilson East TN. From jhunter19@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19157 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jhunter19@aol.com (JHunter19) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Supering Question Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 03:08:58 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990705230858.22992.00010244@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19157 I have hives with 2 deep brood chambers and one super on top of that (no queen excluder). It is now time to add the 2nd super. Do I add the new super on top of the current or below it? Also, I have heard of some putting an additional entrance directly into the lower super, is this advisable? I appreciate anyone's insight. From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19158 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 22:51:02 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Message-ID: <37817D26.5687@midwest.net> References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <19990705224334.04332.00004403@ngol04.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.26 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 04:06:20 GMT X-Trace: 931233980.451.30 JF3D7GB4M1C1AD0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19158 Jajwuth wrote: > > "Jared Quintana" writes: > > >They build it in- it's hard to > >describe- almost like a teardrop shape. > > sounds like a crying shame and a spoof > maybe you should tend to your LH > Al Please expand on your thoughts Jajwuth, and enlighten us. Describe how you detected this "spoofer"... I thought there was a legitimate concern. How have you, the most vocal of advocate of the TBH, avoided the problem being described??? AL From essms@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19159 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: essms@aol.com (Essms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive scale Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 04:30:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706003003.27865.00007968@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19159 I wish to purchase a hive scale for my bee mentor.Can someone please direct me to a few sources. I have searched everywhere. Thanks. Arlene From essms@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19160 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: essms@aol.com (Essms) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: recipe for beeswax furniture polish Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 04:32:47 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706003247.27865.00007972@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19160 if anyobe has a recipe for making beeswax furnitire polish I would appreciate it. Thank you. Arlene. Please e mail me at essms@aol.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19161 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees go buckwild! Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 23:00:16 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <7lr53t$1d6a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 6 Jul 1999 05:05:05 GMT Lines: 19 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19161 In article <7lr53t$1d6a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) wrote: > one day last week, on a cloudy day at 5:30pm. hundreds, maybe thousands > of bees from my hive started flying in chaotic circles up to six feet > over the hive, > that was the only time i saw that, what on earth was that about? it > looked like tiny tornado. one robin took advantage of the situation by > swooping thru the could to catch one on the wing. > if possible cc email me at cmbh71c@prodigy.com thanks My guess, as a newbie... "orientation flights" for newly hatched, newly flying bees. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From Amschelp@pe.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19162 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ22b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Message-ID: References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 54 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.47 X-Trace: typ22b.nn.bcandid.com 931237718 216.100.28.47 (Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:08:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 01:08:38 EDT Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:13:26 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19162 Don't give up, dude! It's good just having your own bees on your own property isn't it? If you want bigger production, get a langstroth honey super going next year at the same time. Lots of commercial beekeepers keep a top bar hive or two just for fun and fine comb. I find that in the top bar hive the beekeeper has to run the hive tool all around the plate of comb before trying to extract the comb from the top bar hive. If the comb is plastered to the hive then of course it will split loose from the top bar if you try to pull it out while it is still attached down below. When it attaches to an adjoining comb, you have to separate that connection also or you won't be able to move the comb out. Keep in mind that moveable combs are a relatively recent invention and that it is really quite something to be able to go inside a beehive and move combs around at all. Have you seen a bear harvest honey? They reach in and dig out a pawfull of honey, bees, brood and wax and they sit there with the bees all around and lick it all up and get another scoop. Occasionally even if you have detached the comb all the way around it can still get so heavy that it might plop to the bottom . Just reach down in there and grab it out, bees and all. Brush off the bees with your bee brush. That one is yours. Cut out any areas of ripe capped comb and areas of comb with pollen stores. If there are brood sections in the comb that broke off you can break off or cut out the sections containing brood and stick them back in the hive. One time I wrapped an especially big piece of brood comb with twine to a top bar and stuck it back in the hive. You're doing fine, dood; harvest those combs the next time. You can put hinges and gate clamps on your bottom board like I did so that when the juicy comb plops down you can open the bottom and get it out with more finess. In article <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, jjkquin@worldnet.att.net says... > Help! I'm new to beekeeping and put together a top bar hive- mostly > because it's cheap. Now i'm about to give up. My hive is about three months > old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. I > lift up the bar and it just seperates from the comb! Also, i can't seem to > coax the bees into making the combs straight. They build it in- it's hard to > describe- almost like a teardrop shape. They build a couple of these per bar > and they build them overlapping in some spots and completely unconnected in > others. Then they attach the different sections together so when i pull one > bar the comb on the next bar pulls too and falls off. I've lost lots of > brood and all of the combs filled with honey. What am i doing wrong? Thank > you to any and all who reply. > i can be reached at: jjkquin2@worldnet.att.net > > --jesse > > > From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19163 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 23:04:19 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 6 Jul 1999 05:09:00 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19163 Well, this thread hits the nail on the head for me... This is my first summer as a beekeeper, and I have two deep supers filled with pollen, brood, and bees. I just put on a medium super for honey, with a queen excluder between it and the uppermost deep super. The girls don't seem to be moving up there very quickly... I was thinking of taking the excluder off for a day or so, then putting it back after some of the comb is drawn, making sure the queen is below it, of course. Any comments from the cognoscenti? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19164 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-116.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Mon, 05 Jul 1999 23:06:31 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <19990704014337.28957.00008770@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7lrkq2$69l$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.74 X-Server-Date: 6 Jul 1999 05:11:12 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19164 In article <7lrkq2$69l$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > Ideally, the novices started with a marked queen. If not, you really don't > know if you have had a supercedure. In Nawth Carolina we used to talk about inbreeding. Same thing? > Temperment can be a problem in some of > the hybrids if they have raised a daughter queen. If you start with a > hybrid, you are pretty much committed to requeening with purchased queens. > -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From sweiland@debitel.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19165 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!193.168.128.30!newsfeed.dnsg.net!news.dnsg.net!not-for-mail From: "sweiland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 09:53:08 +0200 Organization: Debitel Network Services GmbH Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7lsceg$dkn$1@news.dnsg.net> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: moe.dnsg.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19165 > Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little > fingers > > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC I know about the problem, nevertheless there are devices for the evaporation of formic acid on the American market. The use of diluted acid (60%) is only little dangerous but also very effective. If you get a splash, simply wash away- you will not even see a red spot after. (But you should use saftey gloves and safety glasses anyway...) The approvement of the acid in Germany is in progress (we are awaiting it at the end of the year), in Austria it has been finished last year. The other thing is: Fluvalinates causes resistences, as we already have them in Southern Europe (Italy, France, Southern Germany...) Stefan Weiland, Joachim Weiland Werkzeugbau, Germany From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19166 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!torn!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 06:05:27 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <7lsnoj$20fe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-99.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931258963 66030 209.130.165.99 (6 Jul 1999 11:02:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 11:02:43 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19166 Jared Quintana wrote in message <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>... > Help! I'm new to beekeeping and put together a top bar hive- mostly >because it's cheap. Now i'm about to give up. My hive is about three months >old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. I >lift up the bar and it just seperates from the comb! Also, i can't seem to >coax the bees into making the combs straight. They build it in- it's hard to >describe- almost like a teardrop shape. They build a couple of these per bar >and they build them overlapping in some spots and completely unconnected in (snipped) > i can be reached at: jjkquin2@worldnet.att.net > > --jesse > Hi Jesse- I'm not too familiar with using the top bar method, sounds like extra work (just my opinion)...but I would suggest, since you said that you open the hive several times a week this alone adds to your problem. I know being a new beekeep that you are curious but you have to resist the temptation to open the hive so often. Every time you open the hive, as you said, the comb is distorted and the bees build from that as their foundation. I've noticed in our hives if the spacing of the frames are gapped, the bees will build all sorts of funky burr comb, then try running that through the uncapper. Once the honey super(s) is put on the hive, I would say you shouldn't look in the hive until it is time to pull it...although we do spot checks in our yards for progress...then its just popping the top cover. A few popped covers can give you a fairly good idea as to wether or not you need to do any further inspection. There is also a greater chance of rolling the queen upon each inspection of the hive. So, my advice, "Resist the temptation!" ;-) Good Luck - --Busybee From honeybs@radix.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19167 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news.wfu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:27:24 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19167 hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: >>Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for >Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little >fingers >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC >From the hives that I have seen at USDA it's pretty damn hard on the bees too. Small populations that looked half dead. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19168 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 07:24:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7lsavl$819$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 06 07:24:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19168 In article <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, "Jared Quintana" wrote: > Help! I'm new to beekeeping and put together a top bar hive- mostly > because it's cheap. Now i'm about to give up. My hive is about three months > old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. I > lift up the bar and it just seperates from the comb! Also, i can't seem to > coax the bees into making the combs straight. They build it in- it's hard to > describe- almost like a teardrop shape. They build a couple of these per bar > and they build them overlapping in some spots and completely unconnected in > others. Then they attach the different sections together so when i pull one > bar the comb on the next bar pulls too and falls off. I've lost lots of > brood and all of the combs filled with honey. What am i doing wrong? I'd be tempted to say that what you are doing wrong is saving pennys on the amount of wood needed to put real frames instead of the top bars, but if you insist on using that type of hive, try to hang more fundation on the top bars. There is also a tiny chance that the bees you have just do not like building straight comb. This happens sometimes. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From shuston@riverace.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19169 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 09:56:31 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37820B0F.B29EC1D9@riverace.com> References: <19990705230858.22992.00010244@ng-xa1.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: wJXNpeTkoJLwjv7i//O3JLYgo0YSS4vNzfe8fsfl7ik= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 13:56:32 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19169 This is my first year, so I'm sure there are other answers. The instructions I got with a purchased nuc say to add the second super on top of the first when the bees have drawn comb and started storing honey in it. When the first super is half full of honey, reverse the supers. It appears to be working well here (eastern MA). -Steve JHunter19 wrote: > > I have hives with 2 deep brood chambers and one super on top of that (no queen > excluder). It is now time to add the 2nd super. Do I add the new super on top > of the current or below it? Also, I have heard of some putting an additional > entrance directly into the lower super, is this advisable? I appreciate > anyone's insight. -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19170 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Races of Bees Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 07:30:44 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7lsbb5$85m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <24514-37757137-18@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 06 07:30:44 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19170 In article <24514-37757137-18@newsd-101.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) wrote: > Hello all. I am a first year beekeeper. I started in May with two > established hives which are doing fine. I have captured a couple of > swarms and one of them is doing fine but I believe the last one as no > queen. > > All the bees I have look to be Italians. I would like to see what > Carniolans are capable of here in the North end of the Willamette Valley > of Oregon so I am thinking of buying a Carniolan queen to make my last > swarm queenright. > > Does anyone know of any potential problems of having different races of > bees in the same yard. One of the problem is that it can be very difficult to convince a hive to accept a queen from a very different origin. So your newly bought queen may not make it... BTW: you have a swarm that may be queenless. The easiest procedure is to give them a frame with eggs from another hive (your best...). If they raise a queen, you're sure they are queenless and your problem is solved at the same time. If they do not raise a queen, they are not queenless. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us Wed Jul 7 06:34:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19171 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Ralph Landry" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <19990706003003.27865.00007968@ng-cn1.aol.com> Subject: Re: hive scale Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:48:57 -0400 Lines: 12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.192.109.4 Message-ID: <37820a7f.0@newsman.viper.net> X-Trace: 6 Jul 1999 08:54:07 -0600, 209.192.109.4 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news-peer1.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!rpi!gatech!SonOfMaze.dpo.uab.edu!newsman.viper.net!209.192.109.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19171 Check at your local police department or city for auctions that they have. I picked one up that could weigh up to several thousand pounds, it came with all the weights and cost me a $1.00 bill. I sat one of my hives on it for years and it was fun to watch it start climbing up in weight when the flow was on. -Ralph rlandry@haywood.main.nc.us "If they call it Tourist Season why can't we shoot 'em?" ICQ# 19545315 From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Wed Jul 7 06:34:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19172 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:14:52 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 52 Message-ID: <7lt6il$ner$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 931274133 24027 129.173.88.206 (6 Jul 1999 15:15:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 15:15:33 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19172 I used formic acid since 1991 and had never problems with killing big numbers of bees or even queens. I used during the last 4 years evaporators (applicators) like the one shown in the www-page mentioned earlier in this discussion. My hives are located with no other beekeepers nearby, therefore a single application in September was sufficient in the past. To be honest, one year I lost 3 of my 5 hives to the mites because the treatment in fall was not successfull (weather was to cold), but since I use the evaporators close to the brood nest that was never a issue again. All application techniques I used in the past worked with application times over 2 weeks, with a steady fromic acid concentration in the hive air during that time. The working concentration is reached over several hours, there is no acid flash like in techniques were the formic acid is given into the hive on sponges or cardboard pieces and evaporates within a couple of hours. For the last 3 years I combined the formic acid treatment and the winter feeding of sugar sirup without any problems. The bees took and stored the sirup in their combs, even built fresh comb in the frame with the applicator (formic acid evaporator) and stored food next to the acid fume source. I did this because I was in that years short of time in fall. BTW.: I kept my bees in Germany, nearby Frankfurt. The temperatures in this area are relativly moderate, i.e. warm. No freezing before end of November, and spring starts mid March. Cheers Ulli honeybs wrote: > > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > >>Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for > > >Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little > >fingers > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From the hives that I have seen at USDA it's pretty damn > hard on the bees too. Small populations that looked half > dead. > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19173 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 2 queens? Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 07:35:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <7lsbke$88i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lln7p$6kt$1@news.ipa.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 06 07:35:43 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x43.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19173 In article <7lln7p$6kt$1@news.ipa.net>, "j.b.ford" wrote: > i just found a hive with one queen above the excluder and one below with > one super of honey between the brood. how common is this? > There are some hives designed to be run with two queens (e.g. for acacia honey). The ladies are usually separated by two excluders and a super. You need two fly holes, or the drones can't get out. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19174 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-103.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:07:35 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <19990706120745.22990.00009964@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.67 X-Server-Date: 6 Jul 1999 16:11:32 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19174 > >some of the comb is drawn, making sure the queen is below it, of course. > > > >Any comments from the cognoscenti? > > > >- In article <19990706120745.22990.00009964@ng-xa1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > paint the foundation ( center 2 frames ) > with honey from a frame below, there they'll be like a bullet ! > > GREAT idea! You're a credit to the fine people of Nawth Carolina! ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19175 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!news.globix.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 07:46:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7lsc8c$8dj$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <19990628150323.05172.00001882@ng-bg1.aol.com> <19990628214915.12754.00006768@ng-cb1.aol.com> <7l99p3$1hd6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <3779653F.5E1D1068@valley.net> <7lc3a2$13na$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jul 06 07:46:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x33.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19175 In article <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Mary Fisher" wrote: > I've been away - who IS Martha Stewart? Since I am not American, I wondered as well and found: http://www.marthastewart.com/ Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19176 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <18259-37811E3E-30@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:10:01 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931282396 209.69.69.105 (Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:33:16 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:33:16 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19176 .... Are the square cutters worth the money? ... I've got one, and you can have it if you want to pay the postage- even if heated in boiling water it doesn't cut thru cleanly- use a sharp kitchen knife, heated in water if you like. Ellen> From anglin@mi.verio.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19177 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:28:38 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.105 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931282397 209.69.69.105 (Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:33:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 12:33:17 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19177 First, make sure your bars are exactly the right width- if they are too narrow or too wide, the comb spacing will be ruined. Second, make sure that the bees have a good straight header to start out with- I have a 1/4 inch strip of masonite set into the center of each if my top bars. I brushed each strip with beeswax, and my hive always builds off the bottom of these headers. It is true that some bees just won't build straight combs. I also understand that high power lines can mess up comb orientation- are there strong electric fields around your hive? When I examine my hive, I start at the back where there are no combs. I lift out 4-5 empty bars, to give myself room to look in. I then slide the empty bars back till I come to my first comb. If it is attached to the walls or floor, I use my hive tool to trim it away before I try to free the bar. Once it is free, I can lift and examine it carefully, and replace it towards the back of my space. I free the next comb, and work forward thus. One comb at a time, and I free all the edges before I lift the bar. On teardrops- The bees will join these separate drop shaped combs together when the edges begin to touch. Often they do it so well that you can scarcely see the join once they are finished. If the combs are not quite straight, I have found that I can gently straighten them somewhat, if they are still new and flexible. Once straightened, the bees usually keep going straight. I like to look in often too- My TBH is my "Poking about" hive- I will look in on them while I let my langstroths make honey. Still, I don't look in more than once a week- It spooks them too much. Good Luck! Ellen, in Michigan From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19178 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:10:51 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706121051.22990.00009966@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19178 >n Nawth Carolina we used to talk about inbreeding. Same thing? > >> Temperment can be a problem in s Naw thats when you an ya 1st cousin play doctor without a net !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19179 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:07:45 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706120745.22990.00009964@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19179 >some of the comb is drawn, making sure the queen is below it, of course. > >Any comments from the cognoscenti? > >- paint the foundation ( center 2 frames ) with honey from a frame below, there they'll be like a bullet ! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From ernie@whro.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19180 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!News.Dal.Ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail From: "E.L.Scofield" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 10:01:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.76.162.53 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 931255307 198.76.162.53 (Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:01:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 06:01:47 EDT Organization: WHRO (whro.net) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19180 I usually put the super on without any excluder for a week or so, then check carefully for queen and put the excluder on. Ernie Virginia Beach USA > >Any comments from the cognoscenti? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From lithar@midwest.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19181 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:43:07 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 41 Message-ID: <37825C4B.64A@midwest.net> References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.175 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 19:13:43 GMT X-Trace: 931288423.354.14 JF3D7GB4M04AFD1F8C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19181 With the addition of a some glossy color photos and a tri-fold layout, Ellen would have just written the Complete Quick Reference TBH Operator's Guide - wish I'd said all that. AL Ellen Anglin wrote: > > First, make sure your bars are exactly the right width- if they are too > narrow or too wide, the comb spacing will be ruined. > Second, make sure that the bees have a good straight header to start out > with- I have a 1/4 inch strip of masonite set into the center of each if my > top bars. I brushed each strip with beeswax, and my hive always builds off > the bottom of these headers. > It is true that some bees just won't build straight combs. I also > understand that high power lines can mess up comb orientation- are there > strong electric fields around your hive? > When I examine my hive, I start at the back where there are no combs. I > lift out 4-5 empty bars, to give myself room to look in. > I then slide the empty bars back till I come to my first comb. If it is > attached to the walls or floor, I use my hive tool to trim it away before I > try to free the bar. Once it is free, I can lift and examine it carefully, > and replace it towards the back of my space. I free the next comb, and work > forward thus. One comb at a time, and I free all the edges before I lift the > bar. > On teardrops- The bees will join these separate drop shaped combs > together when the edges begin to touch. Often they do it so well that you > can scarcely see the join once they are finished. If the combs are not > quite straight, I have found that I can gently straighten them somewhat, if > they are still new and flexible. Once straightened, the bees usually keep > going straight. > I like to look in often too- My TBH is my "Poking about" hive- I will > look in on them while I let my langstroths make honey. Still, I don't look > in more than once a week- It spooks them too much. > > Good Luck! > > Ellen, in Michigan From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19182 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Races of Bees Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 10:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 25 Message-ID: <17146-37823D13-1@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7lsbb5$85m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRqp7qJ4zof0Pqn//sXpPiNqZuazQIUC0ngKzpowMcoXbSQWSlnmuvHuf8= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19182 Thanks for the advice. I did order a new NWC queen from California last Tuesday. I got it here in Portland Thursday morning and I placed the cage in the hive about 2:00 pm . The week before I did add a couple of frames of bees and brood (at various stages) from one of my first established hives and from the strong swarm hive caught about a month ago. The last couple of days before I introduced the new queen, I removed almost a dozen queen cells which were located on the faces of the brood frames. Saturday, the ladies looked to be moving about the cage in a friendly manner so I pulled the screen and let her go. Monday I checked the hive again. The loud buzzing was gone and the marked queen looked to be going about running the place. I had considered letting the hive raise their own queen but until yesterday, our weather has been cool and showery all spring. I don't think we have had over 6-8 days over 80 degrees and most of them have been in the 60s. I understand that that is not good for queen mating flights (although I could be wrong). I also wanted to try the NWC queen and also see if I could get a colony to accept a queen (using the added frames) after being queenless for a couple of weeks. I either got lucky, did the right thing, or a little of both. From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19183 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 20:18:35 GMT References: <37825C4B.64A@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990706161835.06754.00003403@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19183 Al writes: >With the addition of a some glossy color photos and a tri-fold layout, >Ellen would have just written the Complete Quick Reference TBH >Operator's Guide - wish I'd said all that. > >AL AL I don't think pictures are needed her writing is quite clear. What I perceive is that you have to have good professional judgement and then apply it. Something that a lot of day jobs don't allow. It is hard to get reference material on top bar hives a lot of it seems to be in the UK . There is probably some reference materials at the University of Guelph. I think I read it was developed there in the 1960's. Someone should make a video on operating a top bar hive. I have a few on LH up on my shelf. In the mean time you and I are going to have to rely on this newsgroup for information on top bar hives. There seems to be quite a following. Al From tenmoku@webtv.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19184 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.idt.net!peerfeed.news.psi.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 3 Message-ID: <17145-37825B95-6@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQk+FRfVAA2cUxrEDPYbIDP/icwWgIUS0SRhi+ItUjn2wrJ7Cbyg3Qf46s= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19184 Thanks for the advice on the thawing, KJ and thanks for the offer Ellen. I can know what to do now. From ad387@hwcn.org Wed Jul 7 06:34:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19185 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!hone!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Workers moving eggs-references Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 07:45:52 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7lsqbo$1o2$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.203 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19185 Hello: The following may be of interest: Crane, E.(1990) Bees and Beekeeping: Science, Practice and World Resources , Cornell University Press; Ithaca NY, USA; p.96 Winston, M.L. (1987) The Biology of the Honey Bee, Harvard University Press; Cambridge, MA, USA p.182 Bee World (1936a) Do bees move eggs? Bee World 17(7):74; also 26(2):12(1945), 30(5):41-43(1949) Butler, C.G. (1957a) The process of queen supersedure in colonies of honeybees(Apis mellifera L.). Insectes Sociaux 4:211-275 Winston, M.L. (1979b) Events following queen removal in colonies of Africanized honeybees in South America. Insectes Sociaux 26:373:381 Punnett, E.N. and M.L. Winston, (1983) Events following queen removal in colonies of European-derived honey bee races. Insectes Sociaux 30: 376-383 From hk1beeman@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19186 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 16:13:08 GMT References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706121308.22990.00009969@ng-xa1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19186 > My hive is about three months >old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. I >What am i doing wrong? SEE ABOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! leave it alone Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From Tom@tomsp8.demon.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:34:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19187 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Fire retardant hessian Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:13:06 +0100 Organization: Buzz Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 931299237 nnrp-09:22907 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 <21uDM5N6bilcql+Y7tybl1K72P> Lines: 5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19187 Could anyone tell me the chemical(s) used as a fire retardant in hessian sacking/carboard etc. and whether it is harmful to the bees when burnt. thanks -- Tom From jajwuth@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19188 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 13:00:52 GMT References: <37817D26.5687@midwest.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990706090052.06756.00003551@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19188 AL writes: >Please expand on your thoughts Jajwuth, and enlighten us. Describe how >you detected this "spoofer"... I thought there was a legitimate concern. >How have you, the most vocal of advocate of the TBH, avoided the problem >being described??? > >AL It doesn't take a Sherlock to see through that posting. Choice of words, first person singular not capitalized and style like regular contributor to newsgroup. Also other reasons that I won't go into since it isn't important. It is a concern and a challenge to top bar hive beeman. Maximum loss to him is about $50.00 for the bees. LH hobbyists who pack it in could lose a lot more. The problem has been well answered. I plan on using specially designed hive tools. The shape of the hive will be crescent shaped so that bees apply the laws of physics and hopefully do not apply sidewall attachment. I may experiment with the shape of starter strip to give comb more structural integrity. Also from what I read the opportune shifting of top bars is important. I plan on having fun, enjoying the products from my hives and learning a lot about bees. Al From seasholtzm@aol.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19189 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: seasholtzm@aol.com (SeasholtzM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive scale Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jul 1999 13:18:53 GMT References: <19990706003003.27865.00007968@ng-cn1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706091853.03509.00007845@ng69.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19189 >I wish to purchase a hive scale for my bee mentor.Can someone please direct >me to a few sources Look around at flea markets and public auctions for old platform scales they are perfect for hive stands and you can use the slide scale weights to track honey flow/use day to day. Good Luck Garry From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:34:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19190 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:48:46 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7lu1np$suj$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 931301945 29651 62.136.19.233 (6 Jul 1999 22:59:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 22:59:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19190 Jared Quintana wrote in message <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>... > Help! I'm new to beekeeping and put together a top bar hive- mostly >because it's cheap. Now i'm about to give up. My hive is about three months >old. I open it several times a week. Every time i do i loose tons of comb. New comb is soft - leave the hive for a while and it will be strengthened by old cocoons from brood. Bees are sensitive to magnetic fields - you may find that they will build straighter combs if you have the bars running north/south. This may also reduce brace comb. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Wed Jul 7 06:34:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19191 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 23:57:50 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-105.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 931301946 29651 62.136.19.233 (6 Jul 1999 22:59:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jul 1999 22:59:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 14 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19191 >>Not keen on the idea of extracting from frames that have reared brood. Can taint the honey We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going up >when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has >hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together in >the colony make-up. > >--Busybee > . From beebiz@frontiernet.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19192 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 20:45:44 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-33.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931311790 47892 209.130.165.33 (7 Jul 1999 01:43:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 01:43:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19192 Why would it be tainted? and what substance would it be that would taint the honey? We eat "tainted" honey in this household--haven't died yet... --Busybee Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>>Not keen on the idea of extracting from frames that have reared brood. >Can taint the honey > > >We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going up >>when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has >>hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together in >>the colony make-up. >> >>--Busybee >> >. > > From jack_t_chick@the5th.bardo Wed Jul 7 06:34:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19193 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.139.105.25!news.chatlink.com!mail.networld.com!98ad3a87.ipt.aol.com From: "the fifth bardo" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.non.sequitur Subject: Re: I have bees; do you want them? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 18:57:37 -0700 Organization: THE KNIGHTS TEMLPLAR Lines: 28 Message-ID: <37829351@mail.networld.com> References: <377645a5@news1.us.ibm.net> <37771228.751917F2@workforyou.com> <1du4ux8.11osm2nb4fujbN@lax-ts4-h1-45-116.ispmodems.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: redhat.networld.com X-Trace: news.chatlink.com 931312778 26423 207.247.96.3 (7 Jul 1999 01:59:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@chatlink.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 01:59:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 98ad3a87.ipt.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:147 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19193 alt.non.sequitur:59786 Leo Sgouros wrote in message news:mK_d3.1176$W4.20566@newse3.tampabay.rr.com... : : The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote in message : news:1du4ux8.11osm2nb4fujbN@lax-ts4-h1-45-116.ispmodems.net... : > Luther Steel wrote: : > : > > dcoulte@ibm.net wrote: : > > : > > > I have a large swarm between the wall of an old shed that needs to be : > > > torn down. There is honey oozing out of the wall. : > > > : > > > I am in Durham, NC. If you are interested, please email at: : > > > : > > > dcoulte@ibm.net : > > : > > But where is your shed? : > : > i think it's a metaphor : : so thats "when I'm tore down, almost level with the ...FILL IN THE : BLANK??/?//??/// : Here's to you -- MRS. ROBINSON. From mwhite@globalserve.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19194 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tor-nx1.netcom.ca!nntpgate.globalserve.net!newsfeed.iprimus.ca!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: mwhite Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 22:15:58 -0700 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 53 Message-ID: <3782E28E.57D0268B@globalserve.net> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin108.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 931313840 7601 209.90.138.171 (7 Jul 1999 02:17:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 02:17:20 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19194 Hi all: Here in Canada the Ontario Beekeepers Association, The University of Guelph and the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture joined together to developed a effective and safe method of applying Formic Acid. Go to your local lumber store and buy Tentest Homosote board 1/2 (it must be the Homosote nothing else seems to work as well). Cut pads 8" x 9.6". Place them in VEGETABLE Ziploc bags. These bags will help to control the evaporation rate of the formic acid. Place the pads standing on there ends in a plastic pail. Add the recommended amount of formic acid 2.5L for 10 pads or 250 ml for one pad. Seal the container with a lid. After 3 days rotate the pads. The pads should be ready in 2 more days when all the acid is absorbed. Now to the hive. You will need to make spacers 1/2". These pads will be place on the 1/2" spacers on top of the brood chamber frames. The other thing you will need to make it a 1" rim for the top outside edge of the brood chamber. This will allow your brood chamber lid to sit up the extra 1" to give a little extra air space. Note: they recommend applying in the spring Formic acid and Apistan strips in the fall. For more info look at this web site http://www.tcc.on.ca/~ontbee Good luck Mike honeybs wrote: > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > >>Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for > > >Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little > >fingers > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From the hives that I have seen at USDA it's pretty damn > hard on the bees too. Small populations that looked half > dead. > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > From cde049@airmail.net Wed Jul 7 06:34:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19195 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-europe.mathworks.com!news-raspail.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!dfw.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "dewitt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: Tue, 6 Jul 1999 19:48:41 -0500 Organization: Airnews.net! at Internet America Lines: 20 Message-ID: <24A12060B6970456.72CD778A466687F7.ECCD479716FDEADC@lp.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <7lu999$gpc@library2.airnews.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library2.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Jul 6 20:07:53 1999 NNTP-Posting-Host: !^eLa1k-X@K2\.\ (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19195 (Probably actually done by one of her > many "assistants". > Yes but she hired the assistant didn't she? Isn't that the sign of a good manager " hiring people with ideas and abilities that surpass there own" and then letting them run with their Ideas. After 5 years of taping her shows and reading her magazine I have never seen her not give someone the credit for their work. I can't say that about my boss who I've only known six months. On how many other TV shows have you ever seen some one Keep Bees? Martha's show is the only time I have ever seen bees presented as a " Good Thing" . Alright except for nature shows on educational TV that I never watch. Lets get off Martha she wasn't out there with Raid was she? Cliff From beecrofter@aol.comBee Wed Jul 7 06:34:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19196 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Thawing Comb Honey Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 01:46:29 GMT References: <17145-37825B95-6@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990706214629.12837.00007613@ng-fx1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19196 Leave the comb INSIDE the bag to thaw. The condensation will form on the bag instead of the comb. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From gzooflup@my-deja.com Wed Jul 7 06:34:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19197 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:16:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <37825C4B.64A@midwest.net> <19990706161835.06754.00003403@ngol06.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 07 08:16:38 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19197 In article <19990706161835.06754.00003403@ngol06.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > It is hard to get reference material on top bar hives a lot of it seems to be > in the UK . There is probably some reference materials at the University of > Guelph. I think I read it was developed there in the 1960's. > The present design may have been developped there, but the use of "top bars" precludes the invention of the mobile frame last century (by somebody called Von Berlepsch in Munich). Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19198 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newspump.sol.net!news.execpc.com!newspeer.sol.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 13:07:16 GMT References: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19198 In article <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, gzooflup@my-deja.com writes: >The present design may have been developped there, but the use of "top >bars" precludes the invention of the mobile frame last century (by >somebody called Von Berlepsch in Munich). > > I was looking for my reference material but I think there were three important developments in the last century. That being the concept of bee space, foundation and centrifugal extraction of honey. These early top bar hives you talk about did they incorporate the concept of bee space? What did the hive look like and who used them? Thanks Al From bud1941@webtv.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19199 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 18 Message-ID: <13616-37834468-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhR8f/YnB20YV3UdnUf0hyycSaXsPAIUaMrFHdus3Hwha22r4yqD7I2p/Ys= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19199 I am not a hobby beekeeper and keep bees in Florida. When we started keeping bees we used excluders. We changed from deeps as brood chambers to 6 5/8 and it turned out to be one of the best things we have ever done. When we changed we also took out our excluders. When we pull honey we take the frams of brood that are above the third and sometime second super and move them down in exchange for a honey fram. We send all of the frams that have drone comb to the honey house along with the mites that are in them. This allows us to keep our broodnest clear of excess honey and to fix it the way we want it after each flow. After using both ways we feel that you have far less honey in our brood nest when we do not use excluders. By haveing all our supers the same it gives us great flexibility when we work our hives. We have found no draw backs in doing it this way if any of you out there thinks that there is some please point them out to us. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19200 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SPLITS Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 28 Message-ID: <9479-37834EB8-4@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUArpgUOVnBbviHzJ7e+9+yn3N6ZFcCFQCSwVo8CbTiRhU/YiYXce3PT6yCBA== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19200 We did about 200 splits this spring around the first of may in Florida. We use all 6 5/8 supers for supers and brood boxes. The first 100 we took the second super from the bottom and placed it on another pallet and added an empty super and a lid. The second super >from the bottom almost always has the most brood. We added an empty super on top of the bottom supper and then placed the top supper on this split. I forgot to say these hives were three supers high to start with. These were no look splits and a 1.50 cell was put in both splits. We did some thing different or something that we had never done befor on the next 100. We went threw our hives and found 100 frams of open brood and put one fram per super in 100 supers. We use pallets for bottom boards four hives per pallet. We placed two supers per pallet in front of each plattet and then moved the pallets and left the two supers. We moved the pallets in the middle of the day which left the field force of two hives for each super that we left. The next day we moved the splits at night and then put a cell in each split the day after that. This week we put med. and mite strips in each split. We had a 91% take on the first splits and a 87%take on the last ones. All of thes splits were done right after the orange flow down here and right befor the galberry flow. The flows are about 3 or 4 weeks apart. The original hives in the second splits were put on the galberry and made 80 lbs of honey each. It took very little time to do any of these splits. I hope that I made myself clear. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19201 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: SPLITS Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 08:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 28 Message-ID: <13614-37834F28-20@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQM/yLduHJ17akm0VCW4VGQokNYgQIUXI8h/PFFuEUsz5T9xWtavmodGeQ= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19201 We did about 200 splits this spring around the first of may in Florida. We use all 6 5/8 supers for supers and brood boxes. The first 100 we took the second super from the bottom and placed it on another pallet and added an empty super and a lid. The second super >from the bottom almost always has the most brood. We added an empty super on top of the bottom supper and then placed the top supper on this split. I forgot to say these hives were three supers high to start with. These were no look splits and a 1.50 cell was put in both splits. We did some thing different or something that we had never done befor on the next 100. We went threw our hives and found 100 frams of open brood and put one fram per super in 100 supers. We use pallets for bottom boards four hives per pallet. We placed two supers per pallet in front of each plattet and then moved the pallets and left the two supers. We moved the pallets in the middle of the day which left the field force of two hives for each super that we left. The next day we moved the splits at night and then put a cell in each split the day after that. This week we put med. and mite strips in each split. We had a 91% take on the first splits and a 87%take on the last ones. All of thes splits were done right after the orange flow down here and right befor the galberry flow. The flows are about 3 or 4 weeks apart. The original hives in the second splits were put on the galberry and made 80 lbs of honey each. It took very little time to do any of these splits. I hope that I made myself clear. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19202 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SPLITS Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <13615-37837D0D-38@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <37837325.F71A99B1@lambton.on.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQNthjC2TcoMi+O9jXUcEZx6v00aQIVAMZ0lkhyDtWkprLyg6YaOPsWj1k7 Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19202 We did not look for any queens and placed a cell in a cell protector in each split. BUD From gzooflup@my-deja.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19203 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!nyc.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mixing Races of Bees Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 08:25:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7lv2ta$75o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lsbb5$85m$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <17146-37823D13-1@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jul 07 08:25:21 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x38.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19203 In article <17146-37823D13-1@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) wrote: > Thanks for the advice. I did order a new NWC queen from California last > Tuesday. I got it here in Portland Thursday morning and I placed the > cage in the hive about 2:00 pm . > > The week before I did add a couple of frames of bees and brood (at > various stages) from one of my first established hives and from the > strong swarm hive caught about a month ago. The last couple of days > before I introduced the new queen, I removed almost a dozen queen cells > which were located on the faces of the brood frames. > > Saturday, the ladies looked to be moving about the cage in a friendly > manner so I pulled the screen and let her go. > > Monday I checked the hive again. The loud buzzing was gone and the > marked queen looked to be going about running the place. > > I had considered letting the hive raise their own queen but until > yesterday, our weather has been cool and showery all spring. I don't > think we have had over 6-8 days over 80 degrees and most of them have > been in the 60s. I understand that that is not good for queen mating > flights (although I could be wrong). I also wanted to try the NWC queen > and also see if I could get a colony to accept a queen (using the added > frames) after being queenless for a couple of weeks. I either got > lucky, did the right thing, or a little of both. > > I would say you got lucky. ;-) Even *very* experienced beekeepers can loose a queen or two, so you *have* to be lucky. A few comments: -rainy weather is indeed detrimental to mating flights. -when you open the cage, you may want to use some candy (the bees eat it to free the queen). -no that the queen is laying, you may want to leave that hive alone untill the brood hatch and the queen is surrounded by her daughters (3 weeks). Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From mveltman@lambton.on.ca Thu Jul 8 06:52:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19204 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!panther.uwo.ca!grey.lambton.on.ca!not-for-mail From: Mark Veltman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SPLITS Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 11:32:53 -0400 Organization: Lambton College, Sarnia, CANADA Lines: 37 Message-ID: <37837325.F71A99B1@lambton.on.ca> References: <13614-37834F28-20@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.139.190.164 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19204 Can you explain the procedure you used in requeening the new hive? Did you first locate the queen and make sure she remained behind, and then requeen with a purchased queen? Mark Veltman John Partin wrote: > We did about 200 splits this spring around the first of may in > Florida. We use all 6 5/8 supers for supers and brood boxes. > The first 100 we took the second super from the bottom and placed it > on another pallet and added an empty super and a lid. The second super > from the bottom almost always has the most brood. We added an empty > super on top of the bottom supper and then placed the top supper on this > split. I forgot to say these hives were three supers high to start > with. > These were no look splits and a 1.50 cell was put in both splits. > We did some thing different or something that we had never done > befor on the next 100. We went threw our hives and found 100 frams of > open brood and put one fram per super in 100 supers. > We use pallets for bottom boards four hives per pallet. We placed > two supers per pallet in front of each plattet and then moved the > pallets and left the two supers. We moved the pallets in the middle of > the day which left the field force of two hives for each super that we > left. The next day we moved the splits at night and then put a cell in > each split the day after that. > This week we put med. and mite strips in each split. We had a 91% > take on the first splits and a 87%take on the last ones. > All of thes splits were done right after the orange flow down here > and right befor the galberry flow. The flows are about 3 or 4 weeks > apart. The original hives in the second splits were put on the galberry > and made 80 lbs of honey each. > It took very little time to do any of these splits. I hope that I > made myself clear. > BUD From kassy68@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19205 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newshost.nmt.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kassy68@aol.com (Kassy68) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for Mich. wax Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 17:11:40 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707131140.07916.00007988@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19205 Hi , I make soap and am looking for a local supplier of semi-refined wax. The wax that is tan colored and smells great..... I have been buying the white pellets and really want to try the good stuff..... So if theres anyone in Michigan that could help me out, please let me know,,,, I am interested in personal use as well as doing a coop on my michigan soapers list..... thank you again. kassy68@aol.com kim dailey Imlay city mi From @tinet.ie Thu Jul 8 06:52:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19206 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!newsfeed-zh.ip-plus.net!news.ip-plus.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!news1.tinet.ie!not-for-mail From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive scale Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 07:47:38 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7m01nl$vjk$1@scotty.tinet.ie> References: <19990706003003.27865.00007968@ng-cn1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p108.as1.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Trace: scotty.tinet.ie 931367477 32372 159.134.232.108 (7 Jul 1999 17:11:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@tinet.ie NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 17:11:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19206 You can use an ordinary bathroom scales as a hive scale. The hive needs to be on a stand, and then make a frame to support the scales the frame need to have an opening to the rear so as to allow reading of the scales, which are turned upside down with the reading aperture on the bottom. Place the scales on the support frame and then the hive on top of the scales the floor of the hive might need to be strengthened. reading of the scales is by means of a periscope made by placing 2 mirrors sloped at 45 degrees on a board which is slid into the opening of the scales. If the scales are placed so that the reading aperture is towards the back of the hive and the reading opening of the support is also to the back the periscope gives a right way round image of the scales, and the weight can be read without disturbing the hive at all. Ruary Rudd Essms wrote in message <19990706003003.27865.00007968@ng-cn1.aol.com>... >I wish to purchase a hive scale for my bee mentor.Can someone please direct >me to a few sources. I have searched everywhere. Thanks. Arlene From anglin@mi.verio.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19207 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!dfw-artgen.news.verio.net!ord-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ellen Anglin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lrofs$7ru$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <37825C4B.64A@midwest.net> Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: <_5Mg3.2351$el4.100521@ord-read.news.verio.net> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 12:22:27 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.69.69.148 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: ord-read.news.verio.net 931368442 209.69.69.148 (Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:27:22 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 12:27:22 CDT Organization: Verio Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19207 Gee Thanks! Ellen AL wrote in message news:37825C4B.64A@midwest.net... > With the addition of a some glossy color photos and a tri-fold layout, > Ellen would have just written the Complete Quick Reference TBH > Operator's Guide - wish I'd said all that. > > AL > > > > From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19208 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie info Date: Mon, 5 Jul 1999 22:24:35 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7lup1k$jq3$5@front3m.grolier.fr> References: <7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-1-21.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front3m.grolier.fr 931325812 20291 195.36.155.21 (7 Jul 1999 05:36:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 05:36:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19208 Bravo, Busybee your answer is perfect !!!! -- apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ busybee a écrit dans le message : 7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... > Find someone in the business and work with them for awhile. Attend as many > beekeeping meetings as you can (you owe it to ourself and the industry) and > there you will be able to make contacts with other beekeepers in your > area...talk to them...they can provide the best information. You can read > all the books you want but the best knowledge will come from hands-on > experience. > > --Busybee > > > Jeff wrote in message ... > >I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved > >potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > From kassy68@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19209 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kassy68@aol.com (Kassy68) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Michigan Wax Wanted Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 17:17:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707131701.07916.00007992@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19209 Im looking to buy beeswax locally,,,, to cut down on shipping charges,,, also looking for semi refined..... no wings wanted,,,,but i do however what the smell and color of the nice tan wax..... please email if you can help....thanks...kim kassy68@aol.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Thu Jul 8 06:52:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19210 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 22:29:20 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-10.radium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 931383275 15372 62.136.43.138 (7 Jul 1999 21:34:35 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 21:34:35 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19210 The faeces from the brood. When the larva is full sized and is ready to spin its cocoon the closed end of its gut opens and it defaecates in the cell; the cells are therefore lined with a mixture of faeces and cocoons. If you extract honey from brood comb you will find that it is darker than honey from super comb (we make the distinction between the two), particularly if you disturb the cell 'lining' e.g. when uncapping. busybee wrote in message <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Why would it be tainted? and what substance would it be that would taint the >honey? We eat "tainted" honey in this household--haven't died yet... > >--Busybee > >Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>>>Not keen on the idea of extracting from frames that have reared brood. >>Can taint the honey >> >> >>We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going >up >>>when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has >>>hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together >in >>>the colony make-up. >>> >>>--Busybee >>> >>. >> >> > > From bee@ns.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19211 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!151.142.223.51!WCG!korova.insync.net!nntp.teleport.com!news1.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> From: New Beeman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Is it to late to start Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 5 Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:38:07 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.190.140.230 X-Complaints-To: news@teleport.com X-Trace: news1.teleport.com 931380136 206.190.140.230 (Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:42:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 13:42:16 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19211 I amthinking of starting an new hive from a 4 frame nuke, in Portland Oregon. The Bee supply place where I am getting the nukes are telling me it is almost to late to start a new hive, i would need to feed plenty & medicate. Ok I can feed plenty but i know nothing about medicating them, for mites? or foulbrood? or both? From jajwuth@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19212 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top bar hive -up in tree Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 22:28:35 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990707182835.04331.00004572@ngol04.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19212 I've seen top bar hives hanging high (really high) in trees. One in the fairview college website regarding a project in South American . Also It appears as a sort of logo in Beekeeping & Development magazine. I've also read about it in the top bar hive website regarding bears. I assume the reason is to avoid large predators and the hive would be lowered to work on. My question is if the hive is lowered to work on it,. how would that effect the bees? Would they become disorientated and angry? A parallel situation may be moving a LH and then working on it. Thanks Al From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19213 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:41:53 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <7m0ku0$1so6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <13616-37834468-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931387136 62214 209.130.165.15 (7 Jul 1999 22:38:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 22:38:56 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19213 John Partin wrote in message <13616-37834468-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... I am not a hobby beekeeper and keep bees in Florida. When we started keeping bees we used excluders. We changed from deeps as brood chambers to 6 5/8 and it turned out to be one of the best things we have ever done. When we changed we also took out our excluders. When we pull honey we take the frams of brood that are above the third and sometime second super and move them down in exchange for a honey fram. We send all of the frams that have drone comb to the honey house along with the mites that are in them. This allows us to keep our broodnest clear of excess honey and to fix it the way we want it after each flow. After using both ways we feel that you have far less honey in our brood nest when we do not use excluders. By haveing all our supers the same it gives us great flexibility when we work our hives. We have found no draw backs in doing it this way if any of you out there thinks that there is some please point them out to us. BUD This is the same method we follow (although our supers are mainly deeps for brood and mix of deeps and 6 5/8 for honey for reason that our equipment comes from buy-outs of smaller beekeepers that were purchased at a good price--we're not fussy) This method is probably used be most commercial operations. --Busybee From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19214 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 22:45:44 GMT References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707184544.01153.00000281@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19214 > I am getting the nukes are telling me >it is almost to late to start a new hive, i would need to feed plenty & >medicate. Ok I can feed plenty but i know nothing about medicating >them, for mites? or foulbrood? or both? > Find someone local to you to work with for the rest of this year. Learn all you can, take classes , read etc. Then start next spring. Starting a hive almost anywhere in the US at this late a date takes a huge amount of feeding, frame moving( to get them all drawn out ) and a very good understanding of medication uses. You will not get any useable honey this fall unless massive feeding has filled at least 2 hive bodies. Lack of pollen will be a huge problem.( hive populations are generally built up in the spring by everything coming back to life after winter ) I am assuming that in the northern lat. as far up as oregon that you'll almost have to have at least 2 full hive bodies if not that and a super ; to survive the winter. So I'd forget it till next spring, unless you really want to learn the hard way ( Like I did ) and try to work a miracle. No my first attempt did not survive to build up that next year, but I did learn a lot about how " not " to keep bees !! Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19215 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 17:46:28 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <7m0l6k$1cn8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-15.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931387412 45800 209.130.165.15 (7 Jul 1999 22:43:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 22:43:32 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19215 FYI - bees will not store honey in cells vacated by brood without polishing the cell first neither will the queen lay eggs in an un-polished cell. Your statement about brood feces making honey darker is ludicrous. --Busybee Peter Edwards wrote in message <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >The faeces from the brood. > >When the larva is full sized and is ready to spin its cocoon the closed end >of its gut opens and it defaecates in the cell; the cells are therefore >lined with a mixture of faeces and cocoons. If you extract honey from brood >comb you will find that it is darker than honey from super comb (we make the >distinction between the two), particularly if you disturb the cell 'lining' >e.g. when uncapping. > >busybee wrote in message <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >>Why would it be tainted? and what substance would it be that would taint >the >>honey? We eat "tainted" honey in this household--haven't died yet... >> >>--Busybee >> >>Peter Edwards wrote in message <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>>>>Not keen on the idea of extracting from frames that have reared brood. >>>Can taint the honey >>> >>> >>>We do not use queen excluders--and I think it discourages them from going >>up >>>>when using an excluder. The frames are extracted when brood has >>>>hatched. We have a mixture of deeps and shallows that are used together >>in >>>>the colony make-up. >>>> >>>>--Busybee >>>> >>>. >>> >>> >> >> > > From redoak67@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19216 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: redoak67@aol.com (RedOak67) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: extracting in michigan Lines: 3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jul 1999 23:22:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707192252.26266.00005064@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19216 Is there someone in the Belleville area that extracts honey. I have a couple of supers to be extracted. I have a four frame extractor that is a bit rusty so i don't want to trust it. Thanks Rick From calin@ozemail.com.au Thu Jul 8 06:52:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19217 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!not-for-mail From: Chris Allen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top bar hive -up in tree Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 10:37:36 +1000 Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd. Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3783F2D0.2207E819@ozemail.com.au> References: <19990707182835.04331.00004572@ngol04.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.63.79.234 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: merki.connect.com.au 931394305 8383 203.63.79.234 (8 Jul 1999 00:38:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@connect.com.au NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:38:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19217 Jajwuth wrote: > I've seen top bar hives hanging high (really high) in trees. I assume the > reason is to avoid large predators and the hive would be lowered to work on. I believe this practice is originated in Africa before the top bar hive was developed. The beekeepers used "log" hives (hollow logs). Hanging them in the trees did protect them from predators such as the honey badger. I heard also that bees in Africa prefer to be up high. Perhaps they are more likely to abscond if the hive is down low. Are there are any Africans on this NG who can confirm this? > My question is if the hive is lowered to work on it,. how would that effect the > bees? Would they become disorientated and angry? A parallel situation may be > moving a LH and then working on it. A recommended technique for dealing with aggressive hives is : Move the hive a few meters from its normal position and wait for 30 minutes or so. The field force flies back to the old location and stay there. You now have fewer bees left in the hive and they are all house bees which tend to be less aggressive. You work the hive in relative peace. When you are finished, return the hive to its original place and the field force resume normal operation. The African bee is famous for its aggression. Lowering a TBH would achieve the same result as one of us moving the an LH. They would have an advantage over of us because as we move a LH (sideways over the ground), we must get amongst the angry bees around the normal site. A hive suspended in the air would be lowered by rope so the beekeeper does not have to get amongst angry bees in the normal location. Sounds like a good idea to me. Fortunately, my bees are very docile and I do not have to got to these lengths. NB I read about the honey badger in one of David Attenboroughs books. Fascinating. I won't attempt to summarise it because I cannot do justice to the topic. Get the book and read it. (Can't remember the title so read them all) From beecrofter@aol.comBee Thu Jul 8 06:52:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19218 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting in michigan Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 00:52:32 GMT References: <19990707192252.26266.00005064@ng-cd1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707205232.19043.00002951@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19218 Ya know ya can epoxy the extractor with a product called camkote which is food grade, Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From jcaldeira@earthlink.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19219 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!posted-from-earthlink!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:45:18 GMT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com> X-Posted-Path-Was: not-for-mail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ELN-Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:41:26 GMT X-ELN-Insert-Date: Wed Jul 7 17:45:09 1999 Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 Lines: 17 Mime-Version: 1.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: sdn-ar-002txdallp038.dialsprint.net Message-ID: <3783f2d0.1227331@news.earthlink.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19219 jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: >I was looking for my reference material but I think there were three important >developments in the last century. That being the concept of bee space, >foundation and centrifugal extraction of honey. The concept of "bee space" was understood for at least several centuries. It was used in old Greek basket bee hives that had combs attached to moveable top bars. The important invention in the last century that you may be referring to is the practical moveable frame hive. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas jcaldeira@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ From ad387@hwcn.org Thu Jul 8 06:52:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19220 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!torn!hone!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:15:27 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.231 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19220 Hello: You may wish to follow-up on some of the following references: Crane, E., ed.,(1979) A comprehensive survey of Honey. William Heinemann Ltd.; London. UK; p.270 Crane, E. (1980) A Book of Honey. Charles Scribner's Sons; New York, USA. p.45 Crane, E. (1990) Bees and Beekeeping Science, Practice and World Resources. Cornell University Press; Ithaca, NY, USA. p. 402 Townsend, G.F. (no date) Preparation of Honey for Market. Publication 544. Agdex 616. Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food; Toronto, Canada. p.8 Townsend, G.F. (1974) Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood comb. Bee World 55(1): 26-28. All references indicate that brood combs darkened the honey . Townsend,no date, states "Honey stored in combs darkened by old pupa cases will tend to pick up some of the pigment and become darkened." Crane, 1980, states "...it was found that the brooded combs darkened the honey stored in them. Their use is thus a practice avoided by beekeepers--as it usually is, on hygienic grounds." All use Townsend , 1974, as a reference. I have not read this, so do not have all the details. Keith From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19221 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-42.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:55:27 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> <19990707184544.01153.00000281@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.2a X-Server-Date: 8 Jul 1999 01:59:32 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19221 In article <19990707184544.01153.00000281@ng-fy1.aol.com>, hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > Starting a hive almost anywhere in the US at this late > a date takes a huge amount of feeding, frame moving( to get them all drawn out > ) > and a very good understanding of medication uses. You will not get any useable > honey this fall unless massive feeding has filled at least 2 hive bodies. FWIW, aside from the sheer trouble of trying to start at this time of year, I would think about the expense of buying all the sugar you'll need for these feedings. I was surprised how much I spent just to get my new colony jump started this Spring. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:19 EDT 1999 Article: 19222 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-42.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Wed, 07 Jul 1999 19:57:39 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0l6k$1cn8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.2a X-Server-Date: 8 Jul 1999 02:01:44 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19222 > > Peter Edwards wrote in message <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk>... > >The faeces from the brood. > > In article <7m0l6k$1cn8$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: > FYI - bees will not store honey in cells vacated by brood without polishing > the cell first neither will the queen lay eggs in an un-polished cell. Your > statement about brood feces making honey darker is ludicrous. > > --Busybee Rutrow... I see trouble a-brewin'... -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19223 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 01:46:22 GMT References: <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707214622.23757.00007848@ng-cf1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19223 Keith, The dispute is not over whether the honey is darkened but if it is darkened by feces from the larvae. Go back and re-read the posts. You will see Laura From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19224 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:26:55 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <7m123v$bom$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-75.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931400639 12054 209.130.165.75 (8 Jul 1999 02:23:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 02:23:59 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19224 Speaking from 90 years of beekeeping experience in the family: 80% of our combs used for honey frames have dark comb as a result of years of use for brood rearing and honey . Our honey grades out as premium (color and flavor) and goes for water-white to light amber. Grading from .00 to 2.0 on a color scale from .00 (lightest) to 6.0 (dark). Our buckwheat grades out at 4.0 because it is a dark honey to begin with. Darker (not black) combs are preferred around here as they hold up through rigorous extracting where as light combs easily "blow-out" in our extractors. --Busybee Keith B. Forsyth wrote in message <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org>... >Hello: >You may wish to follow-up on some of the following references: >Crane, E., ed.,(1979) A comprehensive survey of Honey. William Heinemann >Ltd.; London. UK; p.270 >Crane, E. (1980) A Book of Honey. Charles Scribner's Sons; New York, USA. >p.45 >Crane, E. (1990) Bees and Beekeeping Science, Practice and World Resources. >Cornell University Press; Ithaca, NY, USA. p. 402 >Townsend, G.F. (no date) Preparation of Honey for Market. Publication 544. >Agdex 616. Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food; Toronto, Canada. p.8 >Townsend, G.F. (1974) Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood >comb. Bee World 55(1): 26-28. >All references indicate that brood combs darkened the honey . >Townsend,no date, states "Honey stored in combs darkened by old pupa cases >will tend to pick up some of the pigment and become darkened." >Crane, 1980, states "...it was found that the brooded combs darkened the >honey stored in them. Their use is thus a practice avoided by beekeepers--as >it usually is, on hygienic grounds." >All use Townsend , 1974, as a reference. I have not read this, so do not >have all the details. >Keith > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Thu Jul 8 06:52:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19225 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 21:31:57 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <7m12dc$sui$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <7m123v$bom$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-75.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931400940 29650 209.130.165.75 (8 Jul 1999 02:29:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 02:29:00 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19225 In addition--queen excluders around here are referred to as "honey excluders". Think about it...a foraging bee returning to the hive full of nectar then having to squeeze through an excluder? They will - but they don't want to! --Busybee busybee wrote in message <7m123v$bom$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >Speaking from 90 years of beekeeping experience in the family: 80% of our >combs used for honey frames have dark comb as a result of years of use for >brood rearing and honey . Our honey grades out as premium (color and >flavor) and goes for water-white to light amber. Grading from .00 to 2.0 on >a color scale from .00 (lightest) to 6.0 (dark). Our buckwheat grades out >at 4.0 because it is a dark honey to begin with. > >Darker (not black) combs are preferred around here as they hold up through >rigorous extracting where as light combs easily "blow-out" in our >extractors. > >--Busybee > > > >Keith B. Forsyth wrote in message <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org>... >>Hello: >>You may wish to follow-up on some of the following references: >>Crane, E., ed.,(1979) A comprehensive survey of Honey. William Heinemann >>Ltd.; London. UK; p.270 >>Crane, E. (1980) A Book of Honey. Charles Scribner's Sons; New York, USA. >>p.45 >>Crane, E. (1990) Bees and Beekeeping Science, Practice and World Resources. >>Cornell University Press; Ithaca, NY, USA. p. 402 >>Townsend, G.F. (no date) Preparation of Honey for Market. Publication 544. >>Agdex 616. Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food; Toronto, Canada. p.8 >>Townsend, G.F. (1974) Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood >>comb. Bee World 55(1): 26-28. >>All references indicate that brood combs darkened the honey . >>Townsend,no date, states "Honey stored in combs darkened by old pupa cases >>will tend to pick up some of the pigment and become darkened." >>Crane, 1980, states "...it was found that the brooded combs darkened the >>honey stored in them. Their use is thus a practice avoided by >beekeepers--as >>it usually is, on hygienic grounds." >>All use Townsend , 1974, as a reference. I have not read this, so do not >>have all the details. >>Keith >> >> > > From lauramleek@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19226 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lauramleek@aol.com (LauraMLeek) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 03:49:34 GMT References: <7m12dc$sui$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19226 Keith seems to bee refering to "Dark Honey" in general rather than answering to the key element of Larvae feces contaminating the honey when using brood comb in honey supers and turning the honey dark. Laura From hk1beeman@aol.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19227 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 04:06:44 GMT References: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19227 >Larvae feces contaminating the honey when using brood comb >in honey supers and People people, lets bee civil here i mean what does it really matter if we get a little bee feces along with our bee vomit. Besides when we extract it, everyone knows we sling the sh-- out of it anyway !! Here's grinning at ya Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:25 EDT 1999 Article: 19228 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.85!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378426B2.3E023@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question References: <19990705230858.22992.00010244@ng-xa1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 51 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:19:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.169.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 931406964 24.95.169.104 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:09:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 00:09:24 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19228 Hi J - Without an excluder, it would be somewhat safer to put the new super at the top. (IMO.) The honey in the #1 honey super will (normally) keep the queen from going up and laying eggs in the new one. Add the fresh super underneath the occupied one, and the queen might go right up and lay lots of eggs where you want the new surplus honey to be. I usu. leave the first (medium) honey super in its original position all summer, right above the 2 deep brood chambers (no excluder). Initially, that first honey super may end up containing some brood, but once there is a good layer of honey across its upper portion the queen does not venture into the supers added above it. By late summer that first super is all honey, the queen having been forced down into the brood chamber proper by the pressure of nectar storage. Then it is taken away for extracting upon the final round of harvesting. Adding additional supers below the ones already filled is a lot of work. Top supering works especially well when running double or triple brood chambers, & all you need is a quick peek under the lid to immediately know whether or not more super space is required. No real need to switch positions of the supers, for that matter. The bees will carry the nectar up as far as they need to for storage. [On the other hand, bottom-supering IS commonly resorted to in comb-honey production, as it minimize travel-stain & discolration on the capppings. The almost-completed supers are raised up and the newer ones added beneath them.] Regarding the upper entrance, you can just slide the first or second honey super back abt. 3/4"; this will leave a gap of about 3/8" across the front of the hive, useful for ventilation and as an upper entrance. If this gap is provided just above the brood chambers (some have claimed), it increases ventilation through the brood nest and aids against swarming, by getting rid of some of the heat & providing a supplemental entrance. Not sure how effective it is as an anti-swarming provision, but I usually arrange the hives this way anyhow, and raise the outer covers up a bit as well, for added ventilation during nectar-ripening. But ask a dozen beekeepers, get a dozen answers! Looking forward to others' thoughts on these points... best wishes, JWG JHunter19 wrote: > I have hives with 2 deep brood chambers and one super on top of that (no queen > excluder). It is now time to add the 2nd super. Do I add the new super on top > of the current or below it? Also, I have heard of some putting an additional > entrance directly into the lower super, is this advisable? I appreciate > anyone's insight. From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19229 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie trials and tribulations Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:38:49 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Message-ID: <7m07p0$q3s$2@front1m.grolier.fr> References: <01bebf97$21a0b620$95d32dc7@spike> <7l8oh3$k5g$1@front6m.grolier.fr> <7lbfco$qmb$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-229.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1m.grolier.fr 931373664 26748 195.36.180.229 (7 Jul 1999 18:54:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 18:54:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19229 Hi, Sorry I just wanted to cheer about honey edibility. About resistant varroas I am in complete agreement. As you should know In France, Italy and some other European countries they definitely are. Fluvlinate is of no use now here. apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ Peter Edwards a écrit dans le message : 7lbfco$qmb$3@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > Sorry - but this is very bad advice. The low level of fluvalinate in the > strips will help mites become resistant > > > > > About Apistan strips still inside the hive do not worry too much : I > >red a study showing that after two or three month almost all the > >fluvalinate had gone away the strip > > From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19230 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:36:26 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 40 Message-ID: <7m07p0$q3s$1@front1m.grolier.fr> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> <3782E28E.57D0268B@globalserve.net> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-229.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1m.grolier.fr 931373664 26748 195.36.180.229 (7 Jul 1999 18:54:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 18:54:24 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19230 Bonjour, Here in south of France we are now facing the problem of varroa resistance to Fluvalinate. Yes, we have it : our mites can survive at more than ten times the regular amount of Fluvlinate. About formic acid, tests made by a French official laboratory show that young bee larvae die during application time. Another important point to consider is the climate impact : formic acid seems to be working well in rather cold area but difficult to use in hot country : evaporation rate is difficult to control. Don't forget also that varroa is mating about 10 times a year in cold country when multiplying 286 times in warm climate. That may explain why varroa became resistant in south Italy first. For the moment we are reusing an old molecule named AMITRAZ which is available in plastic strips (like Apistan) named APIVAR. The new strips seem not to be as efficient as Apistan was but it is the only legal product in France. Obviously several other unlawful cheaper products are used like : Taktic (amitraz evaporation), homemade cardboard strips with 7% Taktic, coumaphos powder poured on frames, oxalic acid, Apilifevar (tymol), Apigard (tymol), Thymovar (tymol swiss product), formic acid.... Good luck for testing all of that staff ;-)) apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ mwhite a écrit dans le message : 3782E28E.57D0268B@globalserve.net... > Hi all: > Here in Canada the Ontario Beekeepers Association, The University of Guelph > and the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture joined together to developed a effective > and safe method of applying Formic Acid....... From pdillon@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19231 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sweet Chestnut Honey Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:48:24 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37840368.B573865F@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tours-6-188.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front7.grolier.fr 931395342 1142 195.36.151.188 (8 Jul 1999 00:55:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:55:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19231 A question to which the answer has not appeared to me as yet, therefore the reason why it appears here!
Every year my bees that have been working the Sweet Chestnut nectar are extremely nasty during the removal of the harvest.
Any ideas why?
Before the honey is removed, they are left for about a week after the nectar flow has finished allowing them to realise that the fact that little is incoming into the hive.
Always the same- they protect their honey down to the last, or so it seems.
Regards to all
Peter.
  From apipop@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19232 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: aggressive hive! Date: Wed, 7 Jul 1999 20:50:31 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7m07p1$q3s$3@front1m.grolier.fr> References: <19990705195511.12518.00005608@ng-fy1.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: montpellier-1-229.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front1m.grolier.fr 931373665 26748 195.36.180.229 (7 Jul 1999 18:54:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jul 1999 18:54:25 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19232 Bonjour, You are right ! To have nectar plants need water. If no harvest the old workers are not busy and ready to aggress everybody. ;-)))))) apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ JMitc1014 a écrit dans le message : 19990705195511.12518.00005608@ng-fy1.aol.com... > Hi Stretch and Steve H: > One other development where I'm at in Eastern MA. We are in the middle of one > heck of a drought/heat wave/nectar shortage. Is this a precipitating factor to > the aggressiveness of my hive?...... From pdillon@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19233 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sweet Chestnut Honey Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:47:00 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37840314.F9B74C17@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tours-6-188.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front5.grolier.fr 931395247 18405 195.36.151.188 (8 Jul 1999 00:54:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:54:07 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19233 A question to which the answer has not appeared to me as yet, therefore the reason why it appears here!
Every year my bees that have been working the Sweet Chestnut nectar are extremely nasty during the removal of the harvest.
Any ideas why?
Before the honey is removed, they are left for about a week after the nectar flow has finished allowing them to realise that the fact that little is incoming into the hive.
Always the same- they protect their honey down to the last, or so it seems.
Regards to all
Peter.
  From pdillon@club-internet.fr Thu Jul 8 06:52:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19234 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sweet Chestnut Honey Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 02:49:09 +0100 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <37840395.2484530C@club-internet.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: tours-6-188.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 931395376 1699 195.36.151.188 (8 Jul 1999 00:56:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 00:56:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,en-GB,en-US Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19234 A question to which the answer has not appeared to me as yet, therefore the reason why it appears here!
Every year my bees that have been working the Sweet Chestnut nectar are extremely nasty during the removal of the harvest.
Any ideas why?
Before the honey is removed, they are left for about a week after the nectar flow has finished allowing them to realise that the fact that little is incoming into the hive.
Always the same- they protect their honey down to the last, or so it seems.
Regards to all
Peter.
  From paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19235 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: paulkentoakley@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 05:53:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 57 Message-ID: <7m1ed8$27u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com> <3783f2d0.1227331@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 08 05:53:47 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.06 [en]C-compaq (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 ns2.egyptian.net:3128 (Squid/2.2.STABLE2), 1.0 x27.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.138.61.17, 216.138.56.12 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19235 jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: > The concept of "bee space" was understood for at least several > centuries. It was used in old Greek basket bee hives that had combs > attached to moveable top bars. To expand slightly, I'll refer to Eva Crane's *The Archaeology of Beekeeping* (Cornel UP, 1983): "The use of moveable-comb hives was first described in a book published in London in 1682 by Sir George Wheeler: *A journey into Greece*. The author was very impressed with the hives he had seen at St. Cyriacus's monastery on Mount Hymettus in Attica, and he published a drawing to show their special features." (p.196). She reports that hives (TBH) generally conforming to the type described by Wheeler in 1682 were still in use, though in far smaller numbers than previously, when she visited Greece in 1979. (p.200). The type in question is made of a round wicker basket with sloping sides, plastered with clay or loam within and without (at least in the earlier description), sometimes plastered to a rock base to hold it in place against wind and weather. Sticks were spaced (according to an intuitive sense of bee space) across the top of the basket. Then the assemblage was covered with straw tufts to repel the rain, similar to a thatch roof. This in turn would be weighted with rocks to hold it in place. Naturally, given the round shape of the basket, these combs could not be moved from one position to another within the hive. (Moveable did not mean interchangeable. The machine age had not yet arrived when these hives were developed.) However, they could be lifted out individually for harvest. They were true TBH's, though much different from the TBH's most contemporary American and African (et al.) TBH users make and envisage. And there likely were many variations of materials. Sir George Wheeler's drawing is reproduced on page 196. And on pages 198-9 there are photos of Greek basket TBH's on Crete and in Attica. One photo, taken on Crete in 1939, shows an apiary of 100 wicker-basket TBH's. The hives were moved to that location to take advantage of the thyme flow. Crane continues, "There is no evidence to suggest that such top-bar hives existed in Ancient Egypt. Although it is sometimes assumed that they were used in Ancient Crete and Greece, we have no direct evidence before 1682." (p.200) The surviving ancient texts make no reference to such hives, though there are several surviving texts which make agricultural and animal husbandry, etc., their province. And scientific writing such as Aristotle's showed a particular lack of information about bees which could have been comparatively easily observed if TBH's had been known. How and where the TBH (moveable-comb hive) was discovered is simply not known. And, once it was discovered, why it failed to spread beyond a small Mediterranean region is a mystery. Neither history nor archaeology has yet provided a reliable answer earlier than Wheeler's observation at St. Cyriacus'. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Kent Oakley The Sabine Farm Ava, Illinois, USA Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From gzooflup@my-deja.com Thu Jul 8 06:52:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19236 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 06:49:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7m1hmf$33i$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com> <3783f2d0.1227331@news.earthlink.net> <7m1ed8$27u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 08 06:49:53 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19236 In article <7m1ed8$27u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, paulkentoakley@my-deja.com wrote: > jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) wrote: > > The concept of "bee space" was understood for at least several > > centuries. It was used in old Greek basket bee hives that had combs > > attached to moveable top bars. > > To expand slightly, I'll refer to Eva Crane's *The Archaeology of > Beekeeping* (Cornel UP, 1983): > [...] Very nice reference. I'll try to find that book. > How and where the TBH (moveable-comb hive) was > discovered is simply not known. And, once it was discovered, why > it failed to spread beyond a small Mediterranean region is a mystery. > Neither history nor archaeology has yet provided a reliable answer > earlier than Wheeler's observation at St. Cyriacus'. It did not fail to spread, it simply took a long time... I would tend to think that the main reason moveable frames were not popular is simply because they were not needed. One tends to forget a simple fact: early beekeepers sure kept the honey, but they were even more interested in wax. One does not need moveable frames if all frames are going to be melted down to harvest the wax anyway. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From gzooflup@my-deja.com Sat Jul 10 22:31:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19237 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: gzooflup@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 07:27:46 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 68 Message-ID: <7m1jtb$4ou$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7lv2d1$70v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.206.88.5 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 08 07:27:46 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.02 (OS/2; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x37.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 212.206.88.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19237 In article <19990707090716.27702.00003621@ngol08.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > I was looking for my reference material but I think there were three important > developments in the last century. That being the concept of bee space, > foundation and centrifugal extraction of honey. I am not sure I understand what you mean by "bee space", but indeed foundation and centrifugal extraction were invented last century. > > These early top bar hives you talk about did they incorporate the concept of > bee space? What did the hive look like and who used them? I only write from the top of my head, because we (Munich beekeepers) celebrated Von Berlepsch 120th death anniversary 2 years ago and had discussion about the inventions that happened at that time, but it appears that Von Berlepsch came from Berlin to Munich and met a monk called Dzierzon who used some kind of top bar hive. Together they perfected the design, thereby inventing the mobile frame. You will find some information on the Internet, for example in German at: http://www.uni-weimar.de/bienenmuseum/imker.html You may also find and English translation of Maurice Maeterlinck's "La vie des abeilles" at http://eldred.ne.mediaone.net/mm/b.html which I will cite a passage here: Some years of silence followed these revelations; but soon a German clergyman, Dzierzon, discovered parthenogenesis, i. e. the virginal parturition of queens, and contrived the first hive with movable combs, thereby enabling the bee-keeper henceforth to take his share of the harvest of honey, without being forced to destroy the best colonies and in one instant annihilate the work of an entire year. This hive, still very imperfect, received masterly improvement at the hands of Langstroth, who invented the movable frame properly so called, which has been adopted in America with extraordinary success. Root, Quinby, Dadant, Cheshire, De Layens, Cowan, Heddon, Howard, etc., added still further and precious improvement. Then it occurred to Mehring that if bees were supplied with combs that had an artificial waxen foundation, they would be spared the labor of fashioning the wax and constructing the cells, which costs them much honey and the best part of their time; he found that the bees accepted these combs most readily, and adapted them to their requirements. Major de Hruschka invented the Honey-Extractor, which enables the honey to be withdrawn by centrifugal force without breaking the combs, etc. And thus, in a few years, the methods of apiculture underwent a radical change. (Interestingly Berlepsch is not cited, so there is some dispute as to which was the inventor...) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19238 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 04:40:48 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-86.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931426670 17194 209.130.165.86 (8 Jul 1999 09:37:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 09:37:50 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19238 I'm cool about this...it's just people get bent out of shape when you use feces and vomit in the same sentence as honey. Peace! --Busybee Hk1BeeMan wrote in message <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com>... >>Larvae feces contaminating the honey when using brood comb >>in honey supers and > >People people, lets bee civil here >i mean what does it really matter if we get a little bee feces along with our >bee vomit. >Besides when we extract it, everyone knows we sling the sh-- out of it anyway >!! > >Here's grinning at ya > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > From shuston@riverace.com Sat Jul 10 22:31:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19239 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 08:20:36 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Message-ID: <37849794.48BD25D9@riverace.com> References: <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <13616-37834468-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: tNnQTI62mftdwkiQflFJ7JcYI4b0cCTnbnO2Bfac1ZY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 12:20:37 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; U) Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19239 Do you put medications in the brood nest (e.g. Apistan)? Wouldn't that tend to taint the wax in those frames? Would that make them unsuitable for extracted honey? John Partin wrote: > > I am not a hobby beekeeper and keep bees in Florida. When we started > keeping bees we used excluders. We changed from deeps as brood chambers > to 6 5/8 and it turned out to be one of the best things we have ever > done. > When we changed we also took out our excluders. When we pull honey > we take the frams of brood that are above the third and sometime second > super and move them down in exchange for a honey fram. We send all of > the frams that have drone comb to the honey house along with the mites > that are in them. > This allows us to keep our broodnest clear of excess honey and to fix > it the way we want it after each flow. After using both ways we feel > that you have far less honey in our brood nest when we do not use > excluders. By haveing all our supers the same it gives us great > flexibility when we work our hives. We have found no draw backs in doing > it this way if any of you out there thinks that there is some please > point them out to us. > BUD -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From tenmoku@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19240 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 26 Message-ID: <21711-37848156-5@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRG1OFtlulUIsfH2lgVshdytylJ0AIVAMGGG3/P+XTPpxgITLdYdun65EFS Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19240 Our summer here in the Portland area has been very late to start. Raspberries have just began to ripen in the last 7 days and blackberry blossoms are still just starting to bloom in many parts of Clackamas and Multnomah County. I (as a first year beekeeper) have captured a couple of swarms in the past several weeks and still am getting calls for more. I have spoken with others who will be making splits later this month and they have done so in the past. I plan on splitting later this month. I am told that there is plenty of nectar and pollen for the bees to get through September to store for the winter. My point is that a nuc can be successful if started now. I would put the bees on medicated syrup (fumidil B), terramycin, and either apistan or coumaphos (legal in Oregon). Feed as much 1 to 1 sugar syrup as they will take to help build population and promote comb building. I like to use a division board feeder. I don't consider myself an expert by any measure but I have spent some time trying to figure out what actions may pay off in increasing the amount of strong hives I have in the least expensive way and the shortest time. Some things may work, others may fail, but I get great satisfaction in trying to find what will be successful. Send me an email and I will call and can give you some references to contact if you still want to give it a try. From tenmoku@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19241 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <21714-378483AA-3@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRgekmelSUy2YOVJJicw0i+CseSLwIUZrSMvBCbeVfX1tettp4DSqCp7kU= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19241 You can get a ten pound bag of sugar in Portland at Food For Less for $3.00. If you had to buy 50 pounds, that would only be $15.00. Your reward could be a strong hive in the early spring rather than a nuc to collect honey. From tenmoku@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19242 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 03:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 26 Message-ID: <21712-378480F6-2@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQH3uG4d8R2eLawttWL+F+tBE/eLQIVAMCFXXYV+DrC1B+GQJMNfJjJtrhZ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19242 Our summer here in the Portland area has been very late to start. Raspberries have just began to ripen in the last 7 days and blackberry blossoms are still just starting to bloom in many parts of Clackamas and Multnomah County. I (as a first year beekeeper) have captured a couple of swarms in the past several weeks and still am getting calls for more. I have spoken with others who will be making splits later this month and they have done so in the past. I plan on splitting later this month. I am told that there is plenty of nectar and pollen for the bees to get through September to store for the winter. My point is that a nuc can be successful if started now. I would put the bees on medicated syrup (fumidil B), terramycin, and either apistan or coumaphos (legal in Oregon). Feed as much 1 to 1 sugar syrup as they will take to help build population and promote comb building. I like to use a division board feeder. I don't consider myself an expert by any measure but I have spent some time trying to figure out what actions may pay off in increasing the amount of strong hives I have in the least expensive way and the shortest time. Some things may work, others may fail, but I get great satisfaction in trying to find what will be successful. Send me an email and I will call and can give you some references to contact if you still want to give it a try. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:31:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19243 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top bar hive -up in tree Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 12:51:28 GMT References: <3783F2D0.2207E819@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708085128.17960.00004907@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19243 Chris Allen writes: >Move the hive a few meters from its normal position and wait for 30 minutes >or so. >The field force flies back to the old location and stay there. You now have >fewer >bees left in the hive and they are all house bees which tend to be less >aggressive. >You work the hive in relative peace. When you are finished, return the hive >to its >original place and the field force resume normal operation. > That is very interesting. I read in Cloudburst a chapter on beehive defense that bears have been known to do the following (paraphrased): Bears are quite destructive to an apiary. They have been known to carry entire hive a considerable distance. They proceed to disassemble it by batting supers in all directions. Then at peace go through each super. LH may be completely destroyed. Seems like a smart bear since it may only have to contend with house bees after it moves the hive. Al From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19244 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:38:59 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 49 Message-ID: <7m29g4$1ujm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <13616-37834468-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <37849794.48BD25D9@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-16.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931440964 64118 209.130.165.16 (8 Jul 1999 13:36:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 13:36:04 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19244 Check out the thread "fluvalinate" poisoning... My thoughts are: If properly used as directed on the package...pulling the strips a good three weeks (OR BEFORE any honey flow intended for human consumption) leaves virtually no fluvalinate residue. If you use Apistan -- any bee brushing against the medicated strip tracks it about the hive regardless of using an excluder or not. Therefore it is imparitive that all medications and treatments are to be used as directed or you are in violation of the federal law. Our strips are pulled in March/April at nuc-ing time--our major honey flow is now (mid-July). Besides, if these procedures are followed, the fluvalinate residue would be in the wax NOT the honey. Chances are slim to none of anyone dying from fluvalinate poisoning--you have a greater chance of winning the lottery. --Busybee Steve Huston wrote in message <37849794.48BD25D9@riverace.com>... >Do you put medications in the brood nest (e.g. Apistan)? Wouldn't that >tend to taint the wax in those frames? Would that make them unsuitable >for extracted honey? > >John Partin wrote: >> >> I am not a hobby beekeeper and keep bees in Florida. When we started >> keeping bees we used excluders. We changed from deeps as brood chambers >> to 6 5/8 and it turned out to be one of the best things we have ever >> done. >> When we changed we also took out our excluders. When we pull honey >> we take the frams of brood that are above the third and sometime second >> super and move them down in exchange for a honey fram. We send all of >> the frams that have drone comb to the honey house along with the mites >> that are in them. >> This allows us to keep our broodnest clear of excess honey and to fix >> it the way we want it after each flow. After using both ways we feel >> that you have far less honey in our brood nest when we do not use >> excluders. By haveing all our supers the same it gives us great >> flexibility when we work our hives. We have found no draw backs in doing >> it this way if any of you out there thinks that there is some please >> point them out to us. >> BUD > >-- >Steve Huston Riverace Corporation >Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com >Specializing in TCP/IP, CORBA, ACE (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 >Expertise to help your projects succeed We support ACE! From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19245 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Guness Uncapper 4-sale Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 08:44:08 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <7m29pn$12ge$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-16.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931441271 35342 209.130.165.16 (8 Jul 1999 13:41:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 13:41:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19245 Anyone in need of a Guness Uncapper with a four foot extention? A retiring beekeeper in Western MN has one for sale. E.mail me if you are interested and I will provide you his name and telephone number. TIA- Busybee From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jul 10 22:31:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19246 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Is it to late to start Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 13:43:17 GMT References: <3783BAAF.2323CC6F@ns.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990708094317.08266.00009364@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19246 See if the bee supply place can sell you enough drawn comb to make 9 or 10 frames with your nuc. Feed and have them draw out the 2nd box. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:31:58 EDT 1999 Article: 19247 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <11554-3784C1AC-28@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7m29g4$1ujm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAk/LvPgrglC16j79xZV8vIJJsMuACFHqzT7rOV7HqMVhela/5bHkbkwCH Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19247 Thanks very much BusyBee I agree with every thing that you said. I would like to add something that some hobby beekeepers might not have thought of. We put a lot of bees on each location and and doing that if a hive becomes weak or dies out these hives are robbed out and the honey that has been in those brood nest are now in the supers of the other hives. Even very good hobby keepers are exposed to this type of thing when their bees rob a hive that is within a vew miles of theirs. Residue in honey is not really that big of a problem or if it was residue would have shown up in a lot of honey for the reasons stated above. BUD From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jul 10 22:31:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19248 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 16:43:52 GMT References: <378426B2.3E023@twcny.rr.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990708124352.20611.00006060@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19248 The other advantage to staggering the first super above the brood nest is it gives the bees an entrance above the weeds and it lets the field bees enter without travelling through the brood nest. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From LongTimeLurker@lurk.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19249 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!news.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: LongTimeLurker@lurk.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Queen Cell Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:00:15 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 18:59:48 GMT X-Trace: 931460388.374.50 OIS948GSH00000000 qube-03.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19249 Could someone upload a picture or address where I can find a picture of a queen cell before it hatches. I would like to know how to distinguish the difference between a drone cell and queen. Thanks From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19250 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ22b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Message-ID: References: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com> <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.64 X-Trace: typ22b.nn.bcandid.com 931461470 216.100.28.64 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:17:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 15:17:50 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 12:22:41 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19250 So then everyone agrees that it is ok to extract honey from cells which have been previously used for brood and that if there are any feces in the cell from the brood that was in the cell that the bees will clean it out before using the cell for storage of nectar; and that the filtering process would get rid of any feces; and that in any event bee feces is good feces and bee vomit is good vomit? In article <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, beebiz@frontiernet.net says... > Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders > From: "busybee" > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > > I'm cool about this...it's just people get bent out of shape when you use > feces and vomit in the same sentence as honey. > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19251 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:14:01 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7m30kp$mnm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com> <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931464665 23286 209.130.165.98 (8 Jul 1999 20:11:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 20:11:05 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19251 Fine! If that's how you want to look at it... I'd hate to know what exactly is in many foods that line our grocery store shelves. Just give me my honey. --Busybee Peter Amschel wrote in message ... >So then everyone agrees that it is ok to extract honey from cells >which have been previously used for brood and that if there are >any feces in the cell from the brood that was in the cell that >the bees will clean it out before using the cell for >storage of nectar; and that the filtering process would get rid >of any feces; and that in any event bee feces is good feces >and bee vomit is good vomit? > >In article <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, >beebiz@frontiernet.net says... >> Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders >> From: "busybee" >> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping >> >> I'm cool about this...it's just people get bent out of shape when you use >> feces and vomit in the same sentence as honey. >> >> From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19252 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!iad-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:19:40 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7m30va$1cnc$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990705230858.22992.00010244@ng-xa1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931465002 45804 209.130.165.98 (8 Jul 1999 20:16:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 20:16:42 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19252 Move new honey to the top especially if it is capped over. If there is a heavy flow the queen will not have a chance to lay in it...if the flow is slow the queen may lay in it. Are you looking for your hives to produce the most honey possible? Move the honey up. If you want to keep brood out of your honey super...put the new box on top. JHunter19 wrote in message <19990705230858.22992.00010244@ng-xa1.aol.com>... >I have hives with 2 deep brood chambers and one super on top of that (no queen >excluder). It is now time to add the 2nd super. Do I add the new super on top >of the current or below it? Also, I have heard of some putting an additional >entrance directly into the lower super, is this advisable? I appreciate >anyone's insight. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19253 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 20:35:25 GMT References: <7m30kp$mnm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708163525.08876.00003632@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19253 With all the talk about contaminants and removal by bees and filtering. Makes me want to buy comb honey. I bought some from the market and it is first rate. Some people see a health aspect to products from the hive so isn't assurance of quality important? Otherwise it's purpose is defeated. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19254 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top bar hive -up in tree Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 20:53:40 GMT References: <3783F2D0.2207E819@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708165340.17958.00004609@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19254 Chris Allen writes: >NB >I read about the honey badger in one of David Attenboroughs books. >Fascinating. I >won't attempt to summarise it because I cannot do justice to the topic. Get >the >book and read it. (Can't remember the title so read them all) > > > I found your posting interesting. In regard to the above Attenborough has written quite a few books and there is videos too (49 listings, although some repeated). I f I read them all I wouldn't have time for this newsgroup. Maybe someone else knows the title of the book where there is a write up about the honey badger. I wouldn't mind reading it. I thought I read that the North American badger is quite a scourge to beekeeper. The badger for some reason is oblivious to bee stings. Al From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19255 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top bar hive -up in tree Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jul 1999 20:54:54 GMT References: <3783F2D0.2207E819@ozemail.com.au> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708165454.27702.00003886@ngol08.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19255 Chris Allen writes: >NB >I read about the honey badger in one of David Attenboroughs books. >Fascinating. I >won't attempt to summarise it because I cannot do justice to the topic. Get >the >book and read it. (Can't remember the title so read them all) > > > I found your posting interesting. In regard to the above Attenborough has written quite a few books and there is videos too (49 listings, although some repeated). I f I read them all I wouldn't have time for this newsgroup. Maybe someone else knows the title of the book where there is a write up about the honey badger. I wouldn't mind reading it. I thought I read that the North American badger is quite a scourge to beekeeper. The badger for some reason is oblivious to bee stings. Al From tenmoku@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19256 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: tenmoku@webtv.net (Hank Mishima) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Exluder??? Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 9 Message-ID: <25471-37850BD7-38@newsd-102.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <11554-3784C1AC-28@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUArZZIV6sLOIP7amxm3p2MJZ2miDECFBqJNngZsk1T4qrpcVH6b8dFwQMY Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19256 Hello All, A thought came to my mind after reading about possible treament contamination of wax and comb. Would I be correct in assuming that the possiblity of any residue would be small in foundation purchased for cut comb honey either because heating when wax is melted would somehow destroy the residue or that only fresh cappings wax (without any ) is used? From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19257 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 16:48:46 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m30kp$mnm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990708163525.08876.00003632@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-67.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931470348 5550 209.130.165.67 (8 Jul 1999 21:45:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 21:45:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19257 Precisely. The benefits of eating quality honey far outweigh any negative non-truths and myths some people seem to conjure up to muck-up honeys' near perfect reputation. If anyone puposely adulterates or intentionally contaminates honey should not be in the business. --Busybee (Proud of the quality, healthy and wholesome honey our honeybees produce) Jajwuth wrote in message <19990708163525.08876.00003632@ngol07.aol.com>... >Some people see a health aspect to products from the hive so isn't assurance >of quality important? Otherwise it's purpose is defeated. > >Al > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:32:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19258 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!ayres.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 23:33:39 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7m39ko$fs6$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-7.verapamil.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931473880 16262 62.136.92.7 (8 Jul 1999 22:44:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jul 1999 22:44:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19258 Thanks for the references Keith - saved me looking them up. The pigment >from old cocoons comes mainly from the faeces of the larva; the process of uncapping and extracting with the inevitable damage to the top of the cells walls will disturb the old cocoons (polished or not!) and will add to the darkening. I rest my case. It is, of course, for the individual beekeeper to choose whether or not to extract from brood comb - I choose not. Keith B. Forsyth wrote in message <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org>... >Preparation of Honey for Market. Publication 544. >Agdex 616. Ontario Ministry of Agriculture and Food; Toronto, Canada. p.8 >Townsend, G.F. (1974) Absorption of colour by honey solutions from brood >comb. Bee World 55(1): 26-28. >All references indicate that brood combs darkened the honey . >Townsend,no date, states "Honey stored in combs darkened by old pupa cases >will tend to pick up some of the pigment and become darkened." >Crane, 1980, states "...it was found that the brooded combs darkened the >honey stored in them. Their use is thus a practice avoided by beekeepers--as >it usually is, on hygienic grounds." >> > From sagehill@my-deja.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19259 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sagehill@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Garden Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:38:38 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.36.199.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jul 08 23:38:38 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x46.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 142.36.199.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19259 I am trying to find a list of nectar bearing plants that will grow in the pacific north west. Some of the questions I have are: 1) Which plants will the bees produce the most honey from? 2) Which ones will supply nectar during our "June gap" between honey flows? 3) Which ones are ground cover v.s. bush v.s. tree? All comments appreciated. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19260 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!hub1.ispnews.com!typ42b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Message-ID: References: <7m30kp$mnm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990708163525.08876.00003632@ngol07.aol.com> <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.20.231 X-Trace: typ42b.nn.bcandid.com 931478518 216.100.20.231 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:01:58 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:01:58 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:06:48 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19260 In article <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, beebiz@frontiernet.net says... > If anyone puposely adulterates or intentionally > contaminates honey should not be in the business. > Or what about: "To the ovens with them". :0) From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19261 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!hub1.ispnews.com!typ42b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top bar hive -up in tree Message-ID: References: <3783F2D0.2207E819@ozemail.com.au> <19990708165454.27702.00003886@ngol08.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 73 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.20.231 X-Trace: typ42b.nn.bcandid.com 931478901 216.100.20.231 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:08:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:08:21 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 17:13:12 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19261 Here is the eb online info on the Honey Badger, fyi: To cite this page: "ratel" Encyclopædia Britannica Online. [Accessed July 8 1999]. ratel also called HONEY BADGER (Mellivora capensis), badgerlike member of the weasel family (Mustelidae) noted for its fondness for honey. Ratels live in covered and forested regions of Africa and southern Asia. The adult stands 25-30 cm (10-12 inches) at the shoulder and has a heavily built, thick-skinned body about 60-77 cm (24-30 inches) long, plus a tail length of 20-30 cm. The ears are rudimentary; the upper body parts are whitish, but the lower parts, face, and legs are black--the two colours sharply separated. Ratels are nocturnal and live in burrows dug with their strong, incurved front claws. They feed on small animals and fruit and on honey, which they find by following the calls of a bird, the greater, or black-throated, honey guide (Indicator indicator); the ratels break open the bees' nests to feed on the honey, and the birds in return obtain the remains of the nest. Ratels are strong, fearless fighters but in captivity can become tame and playful. A litter usually consists of two cubs. (See mutualism.) Search for related Internet links that use the term "ratel". Information about this topic in other articles ratel (mammal) classification and characteristics in Mustelids (family Mustelidae) from carnivore in Mustelids (family Mustelidae) from carnivore more general - Mellivora From mwhite@globalserve.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19262 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.tli.de!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!nntpgate.globalserve.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: mwhite Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:12:12 -0700 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Message-ID: <3785688B.5E9C1C2D@globalserve.net> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin107.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 931479197 12126 209.90.138.170 (9 Jul 1999 00:13:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 00:13:17 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Lines: 55 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19262 Hi all: Here in Canada the Ontario Beekeepers Association, The University of Guelph and the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture joined together to developed a effective and safe method of applying Formic Acid. Go to your local lumber store and buy Tentest Homosote board 1/2 (it must be the Homosote nothing else seems to work as well). Cut pads 8" x 9.6". Place them in VEGETABLE Ziploc bags. These bags will help to control the evaporation rate of the formic acid. Place the pads standing on there ends in a plastic pail. Add the recommended amount of formic acid 2.5L for 10 pads or 250 ml for one pad. Seal the container with a lid. After 3 days rotate the pads. The pads should be ready in 2 more days when all the acid is absorbed. Now to the hive. You will need to make spacers 1/2". These pads will be place on the 1/2" spacers on top of the brood chamber frames. The other thing you will need to make it a 1" rim for the top outside edge of the brood chamber. This will allow your brood chamber lid to sit up the extra 1" to give a little extra air space. Note: they recommend applying in the spring Formic acid and Apistan strips in the fall. For more info look at this web site http://www.tcc.on.ca/~ontbee Good luck honeybs wrote: > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > >>Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for > > >Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little > >fingers > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > From the hives that I have seen at USDA it's pretty damn > hard on the bees too. Small populations that looked half > dead. > > Greg the beekeep > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > -- White House Greetings from Mike and Luci From jmitc1014@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19263 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Supering Question Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 00:29:08 GMT References: <378426B2.3E023@twcny.rr.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990708202908.01992.00010854@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19263 I can picture the advantages here of slipping the super aside to leave a 3/8 inch gap for the bees to get better ventilation and access, but if you get a spring or summer rainstorm, doesn't this technique allow alot of water to run down onto the brood combs? John From bestbet_now@yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19264 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ameritech.net!news-master.service.talkway.com!c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Devin Bolduc" Subject: Feeding in drought conditions Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-Client-NNTP-Posting-Host: nconway-ppp-119.landmarknet.net/12.11.140.122 Followup-To: sci.agriculture.beekeeping X-TWRN-Tag: 931480983221 Lines: 15 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:43:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.200.3.205 X-Trace: c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com 931480982 216.200.3.205 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:43:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 17:43:02 PDT Organization: Talkway, Inc. Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19264 I'm having drought conditions in NH and many sources of pollen are non existant. I have planted buckwheat and will replant but no telling what will happen. My clover had gone by already and wild flowers aren't doing much now. Should I be feeding my hives pollen? I never stopped with sugar syrup, although it was nearly ignored until things got severe. I have 2 hives and am new to this for the most part although I have been around bee keepers. Getting acreage under cultivation for a honey crop normally isn't a problem but right now it is. Thanks for any input. Devin -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From mwhite@globalserve.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19265 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!nntpgate.globalserve.net!news.globalserve.net!not-for-mail From: mwhite Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Garden Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 20:54:21 -0700 Organization: Globalserve Communications Inc. Lines: 139 Message-ID: <3785726D.2A7D018@globalserve.net> References: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialin107.hamilton.globalserve.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1F928551755CE475E9288AC7" X-Trace: whisper.globalserve.net 931481729 16134 209.90.138.170 (9 Jul 1999 00:55:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@globalserve.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 00:55:29 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19265 --------------1F928551755CE475E9288AC7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is an excerpt from an Ontario, Canada Master Gardener web site (hello.to/gardeners)... I don't know what zone you are in or what is in bloom during which month in the Pacific Northwest but this list should help you. If you are planning on planting any of these, mass plantings are best so the scout bees have something to brag about (dance) when they get back to the hive. *Plants that are especially high in nectar: Perennials: *Alfalfa, *Anise Hyssop (Agastache foeniculum), *Blue Globe Flower (Echinops ritro) , *Blueweed (Echium vulgare) , *Canola, *Clover(red,alsike,black), *Dandelion *Goldenrod , *Mountain Mint (Pycnanthemum) , *New England Aster (Aster novae-angliae) *Sweet Clover (Melilotus officinialis), *Wingstem (Actinomeris) , Allium Bird’s Foot Trefoil (Lotus corniculatus), Black Snakeroot (Cimicifuga), Canada Thistle (Cirsium arvense), Crocus spp., Dame's Rocket (Hesperis), Deadnettle (Lamium), Evening primrose (Oenothera biennis), *Figwort (Scrophularia auriculata), Var., Forget-me-not (Myosotis spp.), Gayfeather (Liatris), Geranium spp., Grape Hyacinth (Muscari), Hollyhock (biennial), *Knapweed (Centaurea), Penstemon, Rock Cress (Aubretia), Stonecrop (Sedum), Snow drops (Galanthus), St. John’s Wort (Hypericum), Strawberry, Thyme, Trillium Annuals: *Oregano, *Sunflower (Helianthus annuus), *Blue Bells (Phacelia tanacetifolia), Borage, Lavatera, Rosemary Shrubs: *Lilac, *Raspberry, Alt-leaved Dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), Barberry (Berberis), Berry bushes, Elderberry (Sambucus canadensis), Firethorn (Pyracantha), Honeysuckle, Mock Orange, Oregon Grape Holly (Mahonia), Red Osier Dogwood (Cornus stolonifera), Roses, Russian Olive, Saskatoonberry, Siberian Pea Shrub, Viburnum Trees: *Basswood, *Fruit Trees, *Hawthorn, *Silver Maple, *Sugar Maple, *Willow, Birch, Black Locust, Catalpa, Horse-Chestnut, Magnolia, Mountain Ash, Serviceberry, Sumac Mike P.S. The Hesperis was mostly attractive to butterflies. Penstemon (even the white one) is a favourite of Hummingbirds. sagehill@my-deja.com wrote: > I am trying to find a list of nectar bearing plants that will grow in > the pacific north west. Some of the questions I have are: > > 1) Which plants will the bees produce the most honey from? > > 2) Which ones will supply nectar during our "June gap" between honey > flows? > > 3) Which ones are ground cover v.s. bush v.s. tree? > > All comments appreciated. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. -- White House Greetings from Mike and Luci --------------1F928551755CE475E9288AC7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is an excerpt from an Ontario, Canada Master Gardener web site (hello.to/gardeners)... I don't know what zone you are in or what is in bloom during which month in the Pacific Northwest but this list should help you. If you are planning on planting any of these, mass plantings are best so the scout bees have something to brag about (dance) when they get back to the hive.

*Plants that are especially high in nectar:

Perennials: *Alfalfa, *Anise Hyssop (Agastache foeniculum), *Blue Globe Flower (Echinops
ritro) , *Blueweed (Echium vulgare) , *Canola, *Clover(red,alsike,black), *Dandelion
*Goldenrod , *Mountain Mint (Pycnanthemum) , *New England Aster (Aster novae-angliae)
*Sweet Clover (Melilotus officinialis), *Wingstem (Actinomeris) , Allium Bird’s Foot Trefoil (Lotus
corniculatus), Black Snakeroot (Cimicifuga), Canada Thistle (Cirsium arvense), Crocus spp.,
Dame's Rocket (Hesperis), Deadnettle (Lamium), Evening primrose (Oenothera biennis), *Figwort (Scrophularia auriculata),
Var., Forget-me-not (Myosotis spp.), Gayfeather (Liatris), Geranium spp., Grape Hyacinth
(Muscari), Hollyhock (biennial), *Knapweed (Centaurea), Penstemon, Rock Cress (Aubretia), Stonecrop (Sedum), Snow drops (Galanthus), St. John’s Wort (Hypericum), Strawberry, Thyme, Trillium

Annuals: *Oregano, *Sunflower (Helianthus annuus), *Blue Bells (Phacelia tanacetifolia),
Borage, Lavatera, Rosemary

Shrubs: *Lilac, *Raspberry, Alt-leaved Dogwood (Cornus alternifolia), Barberry (Berberis),
Berry bushes, Elderberry (Sambucus canadensis), Firethorn (Pyracantha), Honeysuckle, Mock
Orange, Oregon Grape Holly (Mahonia), Red Osier Dogwood (Cornus stolonifera), Roses,
Russian Olive, Saskatoonberry, Siberian Pea Shrub, Viburnum

Trees: *Basswood, *Fruit Trees, *Hawthorn, *Silver Maple, *Sugar Maple, *Willow, Birch,
Black Locust, Catalpa, Horse-Chestnut, Magnolia, Mountain Ash, Serviceberry, Sumac

Mike
P.S. The Hesperis was mostly attractive to butterflies. Penstemon (even the white one) is a favourite of Hummingbirds.

sagehill@my-deja.com wrote:

 I am trying to find a list of nectar bearing plants that will grow in
the pacific north west. Some of the questions I have are:

   1) Which plants will the bees produce the most honey from?

   2) Which ones will supply nectar during our "June gap" between honey
flows?

   3) Which ones are ground cover v.s. bush v.s. tree?

  All comments appreciated.

Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.

--
White House Greetings from Mike and Luci
  --------------1F928551755CE475E9288AC7-- From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19266 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: brick on hive Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 01:17:39 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19266 I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. Seems like a neat low tech way of reminding oneself of what needs to be done or has been done to the hive. Is this language specific to each beekeeper or is there some common elements to all beekeepers that practise it? Al From bhaythorn@hotmail.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19267 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!nntp.teleport.com!news1.teleport.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com> From: Barry X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help ! May have disease Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:23:31 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.26.9.211 X-Complaints-To: news@teleport.com X-Trace: news1.teleport.com 931486804 216.26.9.211 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:20:04 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:20:04 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19267 I have 1 hive, about 1 month new with nukes, being my first time I have been checking the hive regularly, giving the bees all the food they can take and they have now drawn out 2 hive bodies, larva in most of the bottom, but now I see in the top some dried up dark, and some yellow masses, spotted over the new frames that are drawn out and filling with sugar water (none capped yet) I counted approw 15 spots per side of each affexted frame. What is this? disease? what is my next move? I have done any medicating yet, any info would be helpful, I would hate to loose my first hive, up till now I think they were doing well. Portland, Oregon. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19268 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 02:24:52 GMT References: <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19268 busybee writes: >The benefits of eating quality honey far outweigh any negative >non-truths and myths some people seem to conjure up to muck-up honeys' near >perfect reputation. I have three paperback books on the benefits of honey. The titles are Everything You Want Know About Honey, Honey For Health and Folk Medicine. If your read these books and studied the numerous benefits from honey you would see the truth in what our friend busybee is saying. Not only that it tastes darn good. Al From hensler@povn.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19269 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <37855E60.5D8B@povn.com> From: "J. F Hensler" Reply-To: hensler@povn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Garden References: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 30 Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 19:28:48 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.68 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 931487773 206.107.251.68 (Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:36:13 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 21:36:13 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19269 sagehill@my-deja.com wrote: > > I am trying to find a list of nectar bearing plants that will grow in > the pacific north west. Some of the questions I have are: > > 1) Which plants will the bees produce the most honey from? > > 2) Which ones will supply nectar during our "June gap" between honey > flows? > > 3) Which ones are ground cover v.s. bush v.s. tree? > > All comments appreciated. Yo Sage: What part of the NW exactly are you asking about? There is a considerable difference between the Olympic Pen. and the Inland Empire in Wash. state for instance. Narrow it down and I'll try to help if I can... Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19270 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Message-ID: References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.32 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931493961 216.100.28.32 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:19:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:19:21 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:24:12 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19270 I have heard of sticking a tack in a frame to mark, for example, the last known location of the queen. In article <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com says... > I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the > brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. > > Seems like a neat low tech way of reminding oneself of what needs to be done or > has been done to the hive. > > Is this language specific to each beekeeper or is there some common elements to > all beekeepers that practise it? > > Al > > > > From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19271 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! May have disease Message-ID: References: <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.32 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931494095 216.100.28.32 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:21:35 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 00:21:35 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 21:26:26 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19271 It might just be pollen, dude! I have seen single cells of pollen of various colors and textures stored in scattered cells. In article <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com>, bhaythorn@hotmail.com says... > but now I see in the top some dried up dark, and some yellow > masses, spotted over the new frames that are drawn out and filling with > sugar water (none capped yet) I counted approw 15 spots per side of > each affexted frame. > From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19272 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-75.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:20:56 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.4b X-Server-Date: 9 Jul 1999 05:25:49 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19272 In article <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101>, LongTimeLurker@lurk.com wrote: > Could someone upload a picture or address where I can find a > picture of a queen cell before it hatches. I would like to know how to > distinguish the difference between a drone cell and queen. > > Thanks There's a picture of this in "First Lessons in Beekeeping", published by Dadant & Sons. I just saw my first queen cell in my hive, and it was easily recognizable after having seen the photo in the book. The queen cell hangs down, like a wasps nest, almost, while the drone cells, to me, just look like large worker cells. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-75.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:25:07 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.4b X-Server-Date: 9 Jul 1999 05:30:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19273 In article <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com>, jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) wrote: > I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the > brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. > FWIW... I keep a brick on top of the hive to keep the top from blowing in windy conditions. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help ! May have disease Date: Thu, 08 Jul 1999 23:51:17 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <37857FC5.4437@midwest.net> References: <37855D23.5D4D8C64@hotmail.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.15 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 05:07:00 GMT X-Trace: 931496820.744.25 JF3D7GB4M1C0FD0EBC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19274 Barry wrote: > > I have 1 hive, about 1 month new with nukes, being my first time I have > been checking the hive regularly, giving the bees all the food they can > take and they have now drawn out 2 hive bodies, larva in most of the > bottom, but now I see in the top some dried up dark, and some yellow > masses, spotted over the new frames that are drawn out and filling with > sugar water (none capped yet) I counted approw 15 spots per side of > each affexted frame. What is this? Relax, it's probably pollen. The upper portion of a brood frame will be used for pollen & honey storage while the lower portion will contain brood cells. Pollen cells can add a lot of color - green, yellow, orange, brown, red. Later on when you have added a super and are rewarded with a surplus of honey for yourself, you'll see a speckling of pollen in those cells too. Actually 15 cells per side in a brood frame doesn't sound like enough pollen to me. AL From apipop@club-internet.fr Sat Jul 10 22:32:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!easynet-fr!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: "apipop" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Mich. wax Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 11:31:01 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 16 Message-ID: <7m42hi$dno$1@front7.grolier.fr> References: <19990707131140.07916.00007988@ng-cg1.aol.com> Reply-To: "apipop" NNTP-Posting-Host: nimes-2-42.club-internet.fr X-Trace: front7.grolier.fr 931499378 14072 194.158.120.42 (9 Jul 1999 05:49:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 05:49:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19275 Bonjour, Is it difficult to home-make beeswax soap ? Does somebody has a recipe to post here ? Thanks a lot in advance. -- apipop WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° _ Kassy68 a écrit dans le message : 19990707131140.07916.00007988@ng-cg1.aol.com... > Hi , > I make soap and am looking for a local supplier of semi-refined wax................. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 04:37:46 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <7m4fno$1ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931512888 56836 209.130.165.81 (9 Jul 1999 09:34:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 09:34:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19276 Also, when within a yard and find we need to come back to the hive for whatever reason...we flip the cover up-side down. It is turned back up right before leaving the yard when we have made any adjustments. I've seen the colored tack method used to mark the hive (long term) but the brick on the top cover is (like Mr. Ledford mentioned) most likely to keep the cover in place. -Busybee Jajwuth wrote in message <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com>... >I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the >brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. > >Seems like a neat low tech way of reminding oneself of what needs to be done or >has been done to the hive. > >Is this language specific to each beekeeper or is there some common elements to >all beekeepers that practise it? > >Al > > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:20 EDT 1999 Article: 19277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 04:40:53 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931513074 47990 209.130.165.81 (9 Jul 1999 09:37:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 09:37:54 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19277 Queen cells remind me of mini Morel mushrooms. Supercedure cells look like acorn caps... --Busybee Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >In article <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101>, LongTimeLurker@lurk.com wrote: > >> Could someone upload a picture or address where I can find a >> picture of a queen cell before it hatches. I would like to know how to >> distinguish the difference between a drone cell and queen. >> >> Thanks > >There's a picture of this in "First Lessons in Beekeeping", published by >Dadant & Sons. > >I just saw my first queen cell in my hive, and it was easily recognizable >after having seen the photo in the book. > >The queen cell hangs down, like a wasps nest, almost, while the drone >cells, to me, just look like large worker cells. > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:21 EDT 1999 Article: 19278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for Mich. wax Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:13:10 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 75 Message-ID: <7m4hq3$jam$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990707131140.07916.00007988@ng-cg1.aol.com> <7m42hi$dno$1@front7.grolier.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931515011 19798 209.130.165.81 (9 Jul 1999 10:10:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 10:10:11 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19278 Here is a recipe I found in "The Soapmaker' Companion" by Susan Miller Cavitch (Storey Communications, Inc. Schoolhouse Road, Pownal VT 05261): It is called "E-I-E-I-O" (because many of the ingredients can be found on the farm, I guess) 6.4 oz goat's milk 12.8 oz. distilled water 218 grams sodium hydroxide 15 oz. olive oil* 1 lb. coconut oil 8 oz. vegetable shortening 15 oz. palm oil 2 oz. lanolin 1 oz. beeswax 4 egg yolks (at room temp) 1/4 cup dried oatmeal (not instant) 2 T. ground bee propolis (optional) 12 grams grapefruit seed extract (an optional preservative) 7 teasp. pure essential oil (optional *Remove 1 cup of olive oil and set aside Author recommends that this recipe be made in a free-standing mixer for a smoother grain, but this is optional. In a coffee grinder, powder the oatmeal and bee propolis into a fairly fine powder. Add sodium hydroxide to the water, whisking vigorously and continuously until the sodium hydroxide is completely dissolved. Allow to cool to 85 degrees F. Melt the beeswax along with the coconut oil, vegetable shortening, palm oil and lanolin. Then add the olive oil (the original volume munus the removed portion) to the melted fats. When the desired soap making temperatures are reached, warm the cup of reserved olive oil to 85 degrees F, then add egg yolks, whisking forcefully to blend well. Heat the goats milk gently to 80 degrees F. Drizzle the milk into the 85 degree F. lye solution whisking vigorously and continuously using a stainless steel whisk. Immediately add the lye/milk mixture to the 100 degree F fats and oils, beating briskly. After 1-2 min. of blending, drizzle in the well-blended egg/olive oil mixture, stirring briskly the entire time to prevent the egg yolks from curdling. At the trace, add the oatmeal/propolis mixture. There you have it ;-) Gosh, and I'm fresh out of goats' milk... If anyone wants to make a bar for me...I'll supply the wax and propolis :-) Seriously, if you really want to get into this soapmaking thing, I'd suggest buying "The Soapmakers' Companion" (filled with recipes, techniques and know-how". (I recieved my copy as a gift--didn't know if giver was hinting if I needed to take more showers???) Surely, I have my hands full tending bees let alone making soap, too! (hehehe) apipop wrote in message <7m42hi$dno$1@front7.grolier.fr>... >Bonjour, >Is it difficult to home-make beeswax soap ? Does somebody has a recipe >to post here ? >Thanks a lot in advance. >-- >apipop >WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° >_ >Kassy68 a écrit dans le message : >19990707131140.07916.00007988@ng-cg1.aol.com... >> Hi , >> I make soap and am looking for a local supplier of >semi-refined wax................. > > > From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:22 EDT 1999 Article: 19279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7m4fno$1ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAoNJBEIQHpjvtzMye4Hk+ex7fRWACFHYt0TMJRkpErx6TRS/TcpMnCXmJ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19279 If you use an inter cover you might need a brick to keep your cover on but if you do not there is no need for the cover. I am sure there are but I know of no commercial beekeepers that use them very much. BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <18115-3785C629-8@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRpmVgvNKoXc0/6HbKQoTTtElZJiQIVAMlzSAvv+gBWRfupFzuidEomPDuJ Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19280 Queen cells look like small goats " tits" BUD From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:23 EDT 1999 Article: 19281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:26:48 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7m4ijk$eoq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m4fno$1ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931515828 15130 209.130.165.81 (9 Jul 1999 10:23:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 10:23:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19281 That's true... (we have migratory covers) --Busybee John Partin wrote in message <18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... If you use an inter cover you might need a brick to keep your cover on but if you do not there is no need for the cover. I am sure there are but I know of no commercial beekeepers that use them very much. BUD From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 05:28:40 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <7m4in4$1nao$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <18115-3785C629-8@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-81.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931515940 56664 209.130.165.81 (9 Jul 1999 10:25:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 10:25:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19282 LOL - I'll have to check out that comparison--never noticed before. --Busybee John Partin wrote in message <18115-3785C629-8@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... Queen cells look like small goats " tits" BUD From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:24 EDT 1999 Article: 19283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 06:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 8 Message-ID: <18116-3785CA0B-4@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRw1cw5c1nrBwKQ7n9oB0cDinHKTQIUOZ9/lSrtFYRDGT7mdmYhf36+Ca0= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.spies.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19283 There were four of us beekeepers that extracted in the same honey house this year in the orange groves and produced over 500 drums of honey. It was all sold and graded as white honey. No one used excluders and there was always supers with brood. The kind of honey you produce by far has more to do with color than anything else. I state my case. BUD From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:08:36 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <7m4s30$fga$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> <18116-3785CA0B-4@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931525536 15882 209.130.165.98 (9 Jul 1999 13:05:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 13:05:36 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19284 I'm with Bud! Away with honey excluders! Heck, a little bee larvae is considered a delicacy is some countries ;-) I dared my husband to eat one once--he said it wasn't that bad! Bud - I like your idea of a shared honey house! Do each of you pitch in to extract the others honey too? Just curious... It's expensive to maintain a honey house...I would like to see more co-op extracting facilities. --Busybee John Partin wrote in message <18116-3785CA0B-4@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... There were four of us beekeepers that extracted in the same honey house this year in the orange groves and produced over 500 drums of honey. It was all sold and graded as white honey. No one used excluders and there was always supers with brood. The kind of honey you produce by far has more to do with color than anything else. I state my case. BUD From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:26 EDT 1999 Article: 19285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 13:41:33 GMT References: <7m4s30$fga$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990709094133.08878.00003926@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19285 busybee writes: >Heck, a little bee larvae is considered a delicacy is some countries ;-) I >dared my husband to eat one once--he said it wasn't that bad! > One knowledgable contributor to the newsgroup, who eats them, has said that they taste like oysters. I would rather use them as fishing bait and eat the fish. I read that the products of the hive (including bee pollen) are sufficient in themselves to sustain human life. Al From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:27 EDT 1999 Article: 19286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:52:47 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7m4uls$1jl4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m4s30$fga$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990709094133.08878.00003926@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-98.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931528188 52900 209.130.165.98 (9 Jul 1999 13:49:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 13:49:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19286 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990709094133.08878.00003926@ngol07.aol.com>... >busybee writes: > >>Heck, a little bee larvae is considered a delicacy is some countries ;-) I >>dared my husband to eat one once--he said it wasn't that bad! >> > >One knowledgable contributor to the newsgroup, who eats them, has said that >they taste like oysters. > >I would rather use them as fishing bait and eat the fish. > >I read that the products of the hive (including bee pollen) are sufficient in >themselves to sustain human life. > >Al Someone told me once that all the cures to all known diseases can be found in the worlds' oceans, the rainforests and the beehives! Something to ponder... --Busybee From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mimosa Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:26:13 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 5 Message-ID: <37861495.2347@midwest.net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.248.4.159 NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:26:17 GMT X-Trace: 931533977.460.31 JF3D7GB4M049FD1F8C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19287 Mimosa trees are in bloom around here - do they contribute to a honey flow? AL From trolan@bellsouth.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:28 EDT 1999 Article: 19288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl!upstream.atl!news3.mia.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378619BE.FC2E46E1@bellsouth.net> From: "Tim Rolan (KE4UZI)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-bls40 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need some help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:48:21 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.214.52.19 X-Trace: news3.mia 931535261 209.214.52.19 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:47:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 11:47:41 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19288 Hello I am interested in starting to keep bees with a friends help,but have a few questions first..... A friend of mine is a new beekeeper (approx. 1 1/2 years) , he was telling me that I needed to place the hive in a north east direction with afternoon shade.Where I live my lot has no shade in the afternoon unless I put the hive facing my neigbors yard approx. 10 from a chain link fence, if I put the hive in a less shaded area how will this affect them?? I was told it would be best to buy the hive,bees,and supplies locally.Any suggestions on this or should I buy from a commercial supplier? I have a catalog from Dadant and am thinking about buying >from them. And last ; Does anyone know of any beekeepers in or around the Montgomery,Alabama or any other suppliers that provide catalogs? Tim Rolan trolan@bellsouth.net From jonathan@talent-centre.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:29 EDT 1999 Article: 19289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!feeder.qis.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!vislearn.demon.co.uk!jonathan From: Jonathan Robbins Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:46:20 +0100 Organization: The Talent Centre Ltd Message-ID: References: <7m4fno$1ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> <7m4ijk$eoq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Reply-To: Jonathan NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: vislearn.demon.co.uk:158.152.219.58 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 931536205 nnrp-10:2879 NO-IDENT vislearn.demon.co.uk:158.152.219.58 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 4.00 <95WUkXGnMKbsXE9+K9TaH3GuUd> Lines: 26 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19289 In article <7m4ijk$eoq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, busybee writes >That's true... > >(we have migratory covers) > >--Busybee > You mean the covers fly south for the winter? > >John Partin wrote in message ><18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... >If you use an inter cover you might need a brick to keep your cover on >but if you do not there is no need for the cover. > I am sure there are but I know of no commercial beekeepers that use >them very much. >BUD > > > -- Jonathan - who also beekeeps in sunny Do'set on the south coast of England. For improved results from people and teams visit - http://www.talent-centre.com The Talent Centre Ltd - ** Measuring and Managing for Improved Performance ** From beetools@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:30 EDT 1999 Article: 19290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Garden Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 16:17:48 GMT References: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990709121748.29712.00007980@ng-ci1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19290 You need to pick up a copy of "Nectar and Pollen Plants of Oregon and the Northwest" by Bertie Stringer. The three bee supply dealers in the Northwest (we're one of them) all carry this wonderful book in stock at $11.95. Get it as a gift from you to you! Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee http://members.oal.com/beetools From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-213-213.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:16:13 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d5.d5 X-Server-Date: 9 Jul 1999 16:20:21 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19291 In article <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: >Supercedure... Could you define this term, please? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From sagehill@my-deja.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:31 EDT 1999 Article: 19292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: sagehill@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Garden Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 16:23:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <7m57kp$e0b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <37855E60.5D8B@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.36.199.32 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jul 09 16:23:00 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x22.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 142.36.199.32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19292 I see your point. We live in Victoria, B.C., Canada. i.e. on the southern tip of Vancouver Island, just north of the olympics in Washington. > Yo Sage: > > What part of the NW exactly are you asking about? There is a > considerable difference between the Olympic Pen. and the Inland Empire > in Wash. state for instance. > > Narrow it down and I'll try to help if I can... > > Skip > > -- > Skip and Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, Wash. > http://www.povn.com/rock > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!nntp.abs.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honey to wax ratio Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 17:10:36 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990709131036.17958.00004835@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19293 >From what I read beeswax is a by product of their metabolism. To make one lb of wax the bee has to consume 6 to 7 lbs of honey. Does the bee puposely make beeswax or is it a natural byproduct in their life. It seems that beeswax is less dense than honey.I was also wondering what weight of wax would house what weight of honey. Or weight ratio of wax to honey in a LH frame. This data may be of interest to top bar hive users where the honey comb is not reused. Also in buying cut honey comb it seems like a bargain since the amount of honey the bee has to consume to manufacture the comb. I bought some recently and it is very good and the price was about the same as liquid honey. thanks Al From uhogerdeletethis@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca Sat Jul 10 22:32:32 EDT 1999 Article: 19294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!News.Dal.Ca!not-for-mail From: Ulli Hoger <"uhogerdeletethis"@tupphysiol1.bp .dal .ca> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to wax ratio Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 15:38:37 -0300 Organization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Canada Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7m5fkr$bf8$1@News.Dal.Ca> References: <19990709131036.17958.00004835@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: afrench-08.bp.dal.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: News.Dal.Ca 931545563 11752 129.173.88.206 (9 Jul 1999 18:39:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: postmaster@Dal.Ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 18:39:23 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19294 Jajwuth wrote: >> From what I read beeswax is a by product of their metabolism. To make one lb of > wax the bee has to consume 6 to 7 lbs of honey. > > Does the bee puposely make beeswax or is it a natural byproduct in their life. Honey is stored in wax combs -as we all know-. The comb enables the bees to store honey for extented periods of time. They produce it on demand, when they need to built comb, and not all bees in a hive. If necessary a hive can produce quite a lot of wax in short time (swarm). It's a matter of age and the "job" of an individual which glands are working. Therefore I wouldn't call wax a byproduct, that sounds a little bit like recycled metabolism waste. > It seems that beeswax is less dense than honey.I was also wondering what weight > of wax would house what weight of honey. Or weight ratio of wax to honey in a > LH frame. > > This data may be of interest to top bar hive users where the honey comb is not > reused. > > Also in buying cut honey comb it seems like a bargain since the amount of honey > the bee has to consume to manufacture the comb. I bought some recently and it > is very good and the price was about the same as liquid honey. > > thanks > Al Strange calculation! Sure, wax production costs honey. But is it a bargain to buy comb honey? No, because what you get is honey for your money. If you should pay for the honey used for producing the wax comb, it would be difficult to sell it. On the other hand, as a beekeeper who sells comb honey only you save a lot of money on extraction equipment. In fact, at least in Germany comb honey sells for a considerable higher price than pure honey. Reasons are different. 1) A particualr kind of honey is almost impossible to be harvest by centrifugation (Erica sp.). This honey is relatively rare and has a very own taste. You pay more money for it because it is considered a deli. 2) Some people think they buy more natural honey and pay extra for this. Thats a reason to sell regular honey in comb -if you have customers who are willing to pay the price. Cheers Ulli From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:33 EDT 1999 Article: 19295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:44:15 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <7m5foe$1k50$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m4fno$1ng4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net><18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net><7m4ijk$eoq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-60.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931545678 53408 209.130.165.60 (9 Jul 1999 18:41:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 18:41:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19295 :-) Pretty much except they are afraid of travel by plane...they prefer hopping on semi-tractor trailers instead. --Busybee Jonathan Robbins wrote in message ... >In article <7m4ijk$eoq$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, busybee > writes >>That's true... >> >>(we have migratory covers) >> >>--Busybee >> >You mean the covers fly south for the winter? >> >>John Partin wrote in message >><18115-3785C795-9@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net>... >>If you use an inter cover you might need a brick to keep your cover on >>but if you do not there is no need for the cover. >> I am sure there are but I know of no commercial beekeepers that use >>them very much. >>BUD >> >> >> >-- >Jonathan - who also beekeeps in sunny Do'set on the south coast of >England. >For improved results from people and teams visit - >http://www.talent-centre.com >The Talent Centre Ltd - ** Measuring and Managing for Improved Performance ** From bud1941@webtv.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.new-york.net!uunet!ffx.uu.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <18115-37863D92-53@newsd-171.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRaMbpz0deQR21rf28Et2jRutRTigIUVcYxtIWidoBWX9M5FEEl/AIK2+8= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19296 I am sorry but I did not know that the writeing cop Officer Johnathan Robbins was out on the NET today I will try to be more careful in the future. BOOKUM DANO BUD From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:34 EDT 1999 Article: 19297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!news.new-york.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to wax ratio Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:27:15 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 58 Message-ID: <7m5i91$epe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990709131036.17958.00004835@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-60.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931548257 15150 209.130.165.60 (9 Jul 1999 19:24:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 19:24:17 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19297 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990709131036.17958.00004835@ngol01.aol.com>... >From what I read beeswax is a by product of their metabolism. To make one lb of >wax the bee has to consume 6 to 7 lbs of honey. > >Does the bee puposely make beeswax or is it a natural byproduct in their life. p. 960 of The Hive and the Honeybee (Dadant 1992) states "Beeswax, originally believed to have been collected from flowers or made from pollen, was dicovered in 1744 by H.C. Hornbostel to be synthesized by four pairs of wax-secreting epidermal glands on the ventral side of worker abdomens." continuing..."...beeswax is removed, reshaped, molded and used over and over again within the nest. The combs are literally the nursery, walls, storage pantry, home , pharmacy and dance floor for the colony's myriad of occupants. Without their wax-secreting abilities evolved millions of years ago, honey bees would be largely unrecognizable to us." >It seems that beeswax is less dense than honey.I was also wondering what weight >of wax would house what weight of honey. Or weight ratio of wax to honey in a >LH frame. Also, according to THATH, "one gram of beeswax can be worked into about 20 cm2 two-sided comb surface. It requires about 55 grams of beeswax built into combs to store every kg of ripened and capped honey." "A honeybee colony, with approx 30,000 or more workers weighs from 2.4 to 3.6 kg. Their nest, the double sided hexagonal combs, when empty comprise an area of approx 2.5 sq. meters (double sided), weighing 1.4 kg and containing 100,000 cells (Seely and Morse) whose construction requires the metabolism of 25 kg of sugars. The Langstroth deep frame can hold 1.3 - 2.7 litres of honey, yet the wax necessary to produce these 7,100 cells weighs only 100 g, thus such honey: wax ratios in standard equipment vary from 17.8 to 19.8:1." > >This data may be of interest to top bar hive users where the honey comb is not >reused. > >Also in buying cut honey comb it seems like a bargain since the amount of honey >the bee has to consume to manufacture the comb. I bought some recently and it >is very good and the price was about the same as liquid honey. > >thanks >Al > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:35 EDT 1999 Article: 19298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:03:43 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <7m5gsu$1b6m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-60.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931546846 44246 209.130.165.60 (9 Jul 1999 19:00:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 19:00:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19298 First I guess the correct spelling is "supersedure"...when the hive raises a new queen on its own for these reasons: when they don't like the present queen (then they have swarming on their minds) or that their queen has died (or was killed). --Busybee Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >In article <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" > wrote: > >>Supercedure... > >Could you define this term, please? > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From kent@hew.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!ffx2nh3!not-for-mail From: "Kent Petersen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:36:41 -0500 Organization: UUNET Message-ID: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kent.hew.com X-Trace: ffx2nh3.news.uu.net 931552494 29482 208.245.106.103 (9 Jul 1999 20:34:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 20:34:54 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Lines: 10 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19299 Can anyone help me? I have an interior wall of my house that is invested by thousands of bees. They came in under the soffit on an upstairs bedroom and got into the interior wall. They cover an area of about 6 feet wide. We can hear them in there. There must be thousands. Any ideas?? Thanks, Kent Petersen From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:32:36 EDT 1999 Article: 19300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Queen Cell Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:13:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7m5pd6$3lf$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3784f4d6.224340664@207.126.101.101> <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m5gsu$1b6m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931555558 3759 62.136.19.251 (9 Jul 1999 21:25:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 21:25:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 41 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19300 Interesting word. Supersedure from supersedere - to be superior to - but supercession. In beekeeping can be defined as the replacement of a queen without swarming. Queen cells are produced - the commonly quoted rule is that less than 6 indicates supersedure, whereas more than 6 indicates swarming (do not rely on this!) - and a new queen emerges, flies to mate and then starts laying, whilst the old queen continues in residence. The old queen normally disappears during the following winter and the new queen takes over. The phenomenum is rarely noticed by beekeepers who do not mark their queens, but those who do so will see the new unmarked queen and the old marked one - often working on the same comb. busybee wrote in message <7m5gsu$1b6m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >First I guess the correct spelling is "supersedure"...when the hive raises a >new queen on its own for these reasons: when they don't like the present >queen (then they have swarming on their minds) or that their queen has died >(or was killed). > >--Busybee > >Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >>In article <7m4fti$1erm$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" >> wrote: >> >>>Supercedure... >> >>Could you define this term, please? >> >>-- >>Charles "Stretch" Ledford >>STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >>"North America and the Entire World" >>http://www.GoStretch.com > > From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:32:37 EDT 1999 Article: 19301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 22:25:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-123.zirconium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 931555559 3759 62.136.19.251 (9 Jul 1999 21:25:59 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 21:25:59 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 35 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19301 There is no dispute about the benefits of eating quality honey and I would agree that comb honey (in brand new comb) is the best of all - packed by the bees and untouched by human hand! Each year I haul my bees to the Yorkshire heather moors to get what I regard as the finest honey in the world. However, it is a fact that honey extracted from brood comb is less than perfect for reasons already given; this is no reflection on honey as a product - simply, in my view, bad practice on the part of some beekeepers. Others obviously think differently and I would defend their right to do so; in posting my original comment I was simply making inexperienced beekeepers aware of the issues. Jajwuth wrote in message <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com>... >busybee writes: > >>The benefits of eating quality honey far outweigh any negative >>non-truths and myths some people seem to conjure up to muck-up honeys' near >>perfect reputation. > >I have three paperback books on the benefits of honey. >The titles are Everything You Want Know About Honey, Honey For Health and Folk >Medicine. > >If your read these books and studied the numerous benefits from honey you >would see the truth in what our friend busybee is saying. >Not only that it tastes darn good. > >Al > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:38 EDT 1999 Article: 19302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.idt.net!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:52:59 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 56 Message-ID: <7m5uaq$q9k$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <7m366c$5de$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com> <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-27.nas-1.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931560602 26932 209.130.165.27 (9 Jul 1999 22:50:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jul 1999 22:50:02 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19302 Peter Edwards wrote in message <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>... >There is no dispute about the benefits of eating quality honey and I would >agree that comb honey (in brand new comb) is the best of all - packed by the >bees and untouched by human hand! Each year I haul my bees to the Yorkshire >heather moors to get what I regard as the finest honey in the world. > Cool! What does this honey taste like? >However, it is a fact that honey extracted from brood comb is less than >perfect for reasons already given; this is no reflection on honey as a >product - simply, in my view, bad practice on the part of some beekeepers. Quite true... > >Others obviously think differently and I would defend their right to do so; >in posting my original comment I was simply making inexperienced beekeepers >aware of the issues. > The inexperienced will learn. It is to educate the general public to be connoiseurs of honey. The general public (at least in the US) has no idea that there are different flavors and colors of honey...they just look for the cheapest "junk" on the shelf with little regard about where the bees gathered the nectar or if the packer has mixed in a little corn syrup or the standard honey blends of the packers... they don't give a hoot...its all honey to them! >Jajwuth wrote in message <19990708222452.17959.00005070@ngol01.aol.com>... >>busybee writes: >> >>>The benefits of eating quality honey far outweigh any negative >>>non-truths and myths some people seem to conjure up to muck-up honeys' >near >>>perfect reputation. >> >>I have three paperback books on the benefits of honey. >>The titles are Everything You Want Know About Honey, Honey For Health and >Folk >>Medicine. >> >>If your read these books and studied the numerous benefits from honey you >>would see the truth in what our friend busybee is saying. >>Not only that it tastes darn good. >> >>Al >> >> > > From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honey to wax ratio Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 22:57:43 GMT References: <7m5i91$epe$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990709185743.06753.00003888@ngol06.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19303 Thanks for the data and comments, busybee& Ulli. With my rough finagling of the data I figure that for each one lb of honey including comb removed the bees consume 1/3 of a lb of honey to make the comb that was removed. You may want to check my cyphering. That doesn't sound as bad as 6 to 7 lbs of honey consumed to make one lb of wax. I assume also that if you don't supply drawn comb or if you remove comb like in the operation of a top bar hive it knocks the heck out of the efficiency of the hive. Since the bees are preoccupied with making comb. There is probably other factors as well. Al From wachter13@aol.comspam Sat Jul 10 22:32:39 EDT 1999 Article: 19304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: wachter13@aol.comspam (Wachter13) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Lines: 7 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jul 1999 23:37:56 GMT References: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990709193756.13966.00009662@ng-fq1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19304 Where are you located? Call an apiarist or beekeeper and they will either remove them or know someone who will. Good luck, MARC From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:40 EDT 1999 Article: 19305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.corridex.com!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! DON'T KILL THEM/ CALL BEE BOB Message-ID: References: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.20.231 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931564190 216.100.20.231 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:49:50 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 19:49:50 EDT Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:54:41 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19305 Don't kill them! Call a beekeeper. If you kill them the bees will have to be mucked out whereas if they are alive the beekeeper has tricks to get them out of the wall and into his possession. Some beekeepers will not do the job at all if you kill them. In article <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net>, kent@hew.com says... > Can anyone help me? I have an interior wall of my house that is invested by > thousands of bees. They came in under the soffit on an upstairs bedroom and > got into the interior wall. They cover an area of about 6 feet wide. We > can hear them in there. There must be thousands. > > Any ideas?? > Thanks, > Kent Petersen > > > From eahlsen@maine.rr.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!204.210.64.17!newsf1.maine.rr.com!newsr2.maine.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "rick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7m3cps$qmh$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Bee Garden Lines: 4 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:00:16 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.93.149.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: newsr2.maine.rr.com 931565158 24.93.149.35 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:05:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 17:05:58 PDT Organization: TWC Portland, Maine Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19306 If you like a dark and strong flavored honey, buckwheat can be grown under almost any conditions and season. The bees will love it. From honeybs@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:41 EDT 1999 Article: 19307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mimosa Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:05:48 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7m646v$7vi$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <37861495.2347@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p31.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19307 AL wrote: >Mimosa trees are in bloom around here - do they contribute to a honey >flow? Do you see bees working the flowers? Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!newsfeed.enteract.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!uchinews2!newsfeed.stanford.edu!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mimosa Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:50:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3786A6E5.47B@midwest.net> References: <37861495.2347@midwest.net> <7m646v$7vi$2@news1.Radix.Net> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.27 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:06:20 GMT X-Trace: 931572380.234.75 JF3D7GB4M1C1BD0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19308 honeybs wrote: > > AL wrote: > > >Mimosa trees are in bloom around here - do they contribute to a honey > >flow? > > Do you see bees working the flowers? > > Greg the beekeep Haven't been that close - only see the trees from a distance on my drive to work. Until today I wasn't even sure what kind of tree I was seeing. AL From f@k.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Odd Bees seen in garden flowers Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 02:15:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.30.85.100 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 931572911 209.30.85.100 (Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:15:11 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 21:15:11 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19309 I have seen several odd bees in the flowers of my yard. I was watching my bees come and go and noticed about 20 feet away several bees on the near by flowers. They were about the size of a regular european bee but the abdomen was flatter and turned up on the end. Thery had 6 legs and a little wider head than in the europeans. The length was about the same as the europeans. The bees collected pollen on the bottom of their abdomen and seemed to be collecting necter as well as pollen. They did stay on one kind of flower though I did see others on a different kind of flower. I could only see two wings. What do yall think? I live in central Oklahoma in the country east of Oklahoma City. There is not very much agriculture in this area ( within about 20 miles ) mostly ranch land with people living on acreages. Thanks Chris From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: humugous hive Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1999 02:59:20 GMT Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19310 In one of my honey books I read the following (paraphrased): A dude found a hive in Australia. It was perched on top of a Eucalyptus tree, 150 ft. up. The hive was 36 ft high and 21 ft across. They harvested it and it yielded 7000 lbs of honey. The honey was particularly prized for its medicinal value. They actually sold the honey. I won't mention the value because the dollar value is dated. Do you suppose the honey was valuable because of the size of the hive and the fact that it was a wild hive? Al . From jajwuth@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1999 02:59:21 GMT References: <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990709225921.08878.00004050@ngol07.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19311 Peter Edwards writes: >There is no dispute about the benefits of eating quality honey and I would >agree that comb honey (in brand new comb) is the best of all - packed by the >bees and untouched by human hand! Each year I haul my bees to the Yorkshire >heather moors to get what I regard as the finest honey in the world. > I don't doubt your heather comb honey is first rate. Where I live there is a Scottish food retailer that sells old country food products. I asked them if they had any honey and they said they didn't. I was surprised since heather honey is commented in books as being world class. Are you from England and please correct me if I am wrong that Scotland produces heather honey. Is it also true that the character of the honey such that it is best sold as comb honey, Like busybee I would like you to describe what it tastes like. Al From hmbrewer@sinosa.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.27!nntp2.giganews.com!news2.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeff" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lup1k$jq3$5@front3m.grolier.fr> Subject: Re: Newbie info Lines: 36 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: <%czh3.15648$AU3.413655@news2.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 22:36:27 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-ae0IFOxFyatoIEcAF1zWgGaLr/px+cJEmEFBl/aD1P4t6jcVAleqlTHTjOAC9VM/Ms0N8e1c3/+gUjg!z5Z04MW8QCNg X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:34:34 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19312 That is the problem. I cannot find any leads where I live. apipop wrote in message <7lup1k$jq3$5@front3m.grolier.fr>... >Bravo, Busybee your answer is perfect !!!! >-- >apipop >WGS84 N 43.64° / E 3.96° >_ >busybee a écrit dans le message : >7lkuh9$29ps$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net... >> Find someone in the business and work with them for awhile. Attend >as many >> beekeeping meetings as you can (you owe it to ourself and the >industry) and >> there you will be able to make contacts with other beekeepers in >your >> area...talk to them...they can provide the best information. You >can read >> all the books you want but the best knowledge will come from >hands-on >> experience. >> >> --Busybee >> >> >> Jeff wrote in message ... >> >I am looking into getting into beekeeping. Pros/cons money involved >> >potential profit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. >> > >> > >> >> > > > From hmbrewer@sinosa.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!207.207.0.27!nntp2.giganews.com!news3.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jeff" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: More Info Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:06:01 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv1-tIEJW1Dj8n9ooXcSVby7efnBv+eDrZQcAyIvBE5i5yfk1dFyWOQhfd0aZI0QucNx+tYOLCJFP/btGpI!nOYFLovepaE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:04:11 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:149 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19313 I am still trying to find info on beekeeping. I have already read all the books the public library has. What I was wondering if anybody would be willing to give up an issue or two of a beekeeping magazine. I assume they exist ( have never seen one). If you are so willing to give up any email me and I will give you my address. Thanks. Jeff From hk1beeman@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1999 04:44:22 GMT References: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990710004422.01988.00011959@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19314 >We >can hear them in there. There must be thousands. > >Any ideas?? ok first off where are you ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From lithar@midwest.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:47 EDT 1999 Article: 19315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!nuq-peer.news.verio.net!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:14:19 -0500 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3786D6AB.33A3@midwest.net> References: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> <19990710004422.01988.00011959@ng-cc1.aol.com> Reply-To: lithar@midwest.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.38 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 05:30:12 GMT X-Trace: 931584612.781.67 JF3D7GB4M1C26D0EBC qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19315 Hk1BeeMan wrote: > > >We > >can hear them in there. There must be thousands. > > > >Any ideas?? > > ok first off where are you ? > > Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC Uh oh, I can see ol Kev rubbing his hands on this one - he'll either head out to retrieve bees or sell on of his top notch bee vacs. I just have one request Kev, if they're in S.E. IL can I have 'em? AL From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees go buckwild! Date: 10 Jul 1999 10:34:28 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7m77jk$3lg2$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> References: <7lr53t$1d6a$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931602868 000 192.168.254.73 (10 Jul 1999 10:34:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 10:34:28 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19316 >My guess, as a newbie... "orientation flights" for newly hatched, newly >flying bees. thanks From CMBH71C@prodigy.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newscon01!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: CMBH71C@prodigy.com (Shelley Corbin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: super on late? web site for frames. Date: 10 Jul 1999 10:46:57 GMT Organization: Prodigy Services Company 1-800-PRODIGY Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <7m78b1$19qo$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: innugap7-int.news.prodigy.com X-Trace: newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com 931603617 000 192.168.254.73 (10 Jul 1999 10:46:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 10:46:57 GMT X-Newsreader: Version 1.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19317 i do believe i am about to put my second super on too late. i checked the hive last week and saw they had sealed the honeycomb for the top half of each frame, i was finally able to afford to get some more foundation for the next super and ordered it last friday, it got here thursday late, rained friday, and now i am going to put it on today, what do i look for? am i in big trouble you think? does anyone have a site with instruction on how to add foundation on the frames, i need to check somethings and had to return my library books. if possible cc an email. thanks. From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:12:53 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Message-ID: <7m79m1$fk4$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-79.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931604993 16004 209.130.165.79 (10 Jul 1999 11:09:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 11:09:53 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Lines: 31 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19318 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com>... >In one of my honey books I read the following (paraphrased): > >A dude found a hive in Australia. It was perched on top of a Eucalyptus tree, >150 ft. up. The hive was 36 ft high and 21 ft across. They harvested it and it >yielded 7000 lbs of honey. The honey was particularly prized for its medicinal >value. They actually sold the honey. I won't mention the value because the >dollar value is dated. Oh, come on, pleeeaaase? It can't be any worse than present value.... (smile) > >Do you suppose the honey was valuable because of the size of the hive and the >fact that it was a wild hive? > 7,000 lbs of honey is quite abit! >Al >. --Busybee From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!209.130.129.214!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: More Info Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 06:22:06 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <7m7a7a$13bg$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-79.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931605546 36208 209.130.165.79 (10 Jul 1999 11:19:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 11:19:06 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19319 Two good magazines that I would recommend: The American Bee Journal 51 S. 2nd St. Hamilton, IL 62341 www.dadant.com Bee Culture The A.I. Root Co. 623 W. Liberty St. Medina, OH 44256 e.mail: kim@airoot.com My opinion - TABJ is geared toward the commercial operation whereas BC provides information for the hobby keeper. But both are excellent publications. --Busybee Jeff wrote in message ... >I am still trying to find info on beekeeping. I have already read all the >books the public library has. What I was wondering if anybody would be >willing to give up an issue or two of a beekeeping magazine. I assume they >exist ( have never seen one). If you are so willing to give up any email me >and I will give you my address. Thanks. > >Jeff > > From adamf@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: 10 Jul 1999 08:15:44 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7m6vfg$fuo$1@golux.radix.net> References: <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> <19990703170103.19825.00001529@ng-cq1.aol.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19320 In article <19990703170103.19825.00001529@ng-cq1.aol.com>, BeeCrofter wrote: >>Picture Julia Child in spandex on > >Yeah but Julia is talented. Also, Julia Child wouldn't have time to "do speed". She's too busy finding ingredients for her intricate menus. _The Way To Cook_ is my favorite of her cookbooks, and in general, one of the better cooking references available. Martha Stuart? No comment. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From barrycode@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:32:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: barrycode@aol.com (BarryCode) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1999 12:23:23 GMT References: <3786D6AB.33A3@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990710082323.04440.00010567@ng-cj1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19321 Hmmm, I think you're right Al. I can see Kevin rubbing his hands together now. "Where are those bees?" Just a reminder Kevin. I bought the very first Big Johnson. So I figure those bees are mine if they are in the state of Florida. Barry From adamf@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.new-york.net!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@golux.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Can it be done? Date: 10 Jul 1999 08:28:26 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7m707a$g09$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7le74s$9t8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> <945-377E72F1-24@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net> <24A12060B6970456.72CD778A466687F7.ECCD479716FDEADC@lp.airnews.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19322 In article <24A12060B6970456.72CD778A466687F7.ECCD479716FDEADC@lp.airnews.net>, dewitt wrote: > >On how many other TV shows have you ever seen some one Keep Bees? Martha's >show is the only time I have ever seen bees presented as a " Good Thing" . >Alright except for nature shows on educational TV that I never watch. > >Lets get off Martha she wasn't out there with Raid was she? Wow. She has bees on t.v.? (I don't have one--I read too many journal articles.) Maybe she'd hire a beekeeping tech team from sci.agriculture.beekeeping to advise her. Maybe not. :-) Her 19 century style "naturalist" dabbling is nauseating. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From stoneacres@netscape.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-xfer.epix.net!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: More Info Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:06:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931612007 204.186.180.35 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:06:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:06:47 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:150 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19323 Jeff, Send me your address and I will send you a couple issues. In the meantime check out our website: www.draperbee.com Royal W. Draper draperb@ptd.net Jeff wrote in message ... >I am still trying to find info on beekeeping. I have already read all the >books the public library has. What I was wondering if anybody would be >willing to give up an issue or two of a beekeeping magazine. I assume they >exist ( have never seen one). If you are so willing to give up any email me >and I will give you my address. Thanks. > >Jeff > > From stoneacres@netscape.net Sat Jul 10 22:32:57 EDT 1999 Article: 19324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.new-york.net!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7m78b1$19qo$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: super on late? web site for frames. Lines: 280 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BECAB2.D1267320" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:03:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931611822 204.186.180.35 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:03:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:03:42 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19324 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BECAB2.D1267320 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0010_01BECAB2.D1267320" ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01BECAB2.D1267320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is not to late to add your next super, in fact you should add it = a.s.a.p. Below is a picture of how to insert and fasten foundation. We have books for sale and videos for rent that can teach you almost = everything you need to know about bees. Check out our website: www.draperbee.com Good Luck! Royal W. Draper draperb@ptd.net Shelley Corbin wrote in message = <7m78b1$19qo$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>... >i do believe i am about to put my second super on too late. i checked = the=20 >hive last week and saw they had sealed the honeycomb for the top half = of=20 >each frame, i was finally able to afford to get some more foundation = for=20 >the next super and ordered it last friday, it got here thursday late,=20 >rained friday, and now i am going to put it on today, what do i look = for?=20 >am i in big trouble you think? does anyone have a site with = instruction=20 >on how to add foundation on the frames, i need to check somethings and=20 >had to return my library books. if possible cc an email. thanks.=20 > ------=_NextPart_001_0010_01BECAB2.D1267320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
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>the next super and ordered it last friday, it got here thursday = late,=20
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Date: 10 Jul 1999 09:16:09 -0000 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 60 Message-ID: <7m730p$g4f$1@golux.radix.net> References: <7lol02$qh0$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: p24.a1.du.radix.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19325 In article <7lol02$qh0$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards wrote: >I have to say, though, that not many people recommend trying bleach! Well, gee whizzy. So much yammering about AFB spores. If you sample a random frame, comb or interior of a cell, I'd bet you could find some AFB spores. AFB spores don't make hives break down with AFB. AFB spores and weakened hives and other conditions together make hives breakdown with AFB. Eradication of AFB spores is like eradication of mosquitoes to fight malaria, or eradication of ticks to control Lyme disease. Live with AFB spores. Keep your hives as healthy as you can. Avoid large sources of AFB spores, and if you've found you have a breakdown of AFB, clean up the source. When I was a bee inspector, I contacted Dr. Shimanuki at the Beltsville USDA lab for a recipe to give to beekeepers who felt compelled to save their AFB frames. This recipe below is that one. It's from http://metalab.unc.edu/bees click on browse ____________________________________________________________________ Frame Bath for AFB My opinion? Burn frames and buy new ones. Sorry if you have to convert to metric. Chlorine Bath: 4 oz. sodium hypochlorite per 100 gal H2O or 1 gal Clorox (chlorine) bleach per 100 gal H20 Lye Bath: 1 lb lye per 10 gal H2O All H2O should be boiling or almost that HOT. Keep frames submerged with wooden post or weights. These materials will harm you if proper protection isn't employed. ______________________________________________________________________ The idea is to clean the frames of secondary infection, not to eradicate AFB spores. How many frames are you going to save with all this boiling? If you have that much AFB, maybe a review of basic beekeeping techniques would be advisable, and seeking aid from the apicultural professional (public or private) would be good. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf From beecrofter@aol.comBee Sat Jul 10 22:32:59 EDT 1999 Article: 19326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bees seen in garden flowers Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jul 1999 13:34:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990710093449.20600.00006368@ng-cl1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19326 3000 species of bees in the USA If you want to see more of them put a lawn chair in front of some sunflowers. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com From countrymeadow@ibm.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <37876B08.216EFC4@ibm.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 10:47:20 -0500 From: Garland L Allen Reply-To: countrymeadow@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Coating for Bee hives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.217.171 X-Trace: 10 Jul 1999 14:41:10 GMT, 32.100.217.171 Organization: Global Network Services - Remote Access Mail & News Services Lines: 10 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.us.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.us.ibm.net!32.100.217.171 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19327 My father had seen a recipe for a hive paint which used bee's wax, mineral spirits and two other ingredients. He has lost the reference and ask me if I remember seeing it in one of the bee magazines. Can anyone offer a clue as to where to look? Thanks, Garland Allen From newlife@cyberlink.bc.ca Sat Jul 10 22:33:00 EDT 1999 Article: 19328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!WCG!news2.randori.com!not-for-mail From: "J&D BEES" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey but no brood Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 09:10:55 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.239.3.135 X-Trace: news2.randori.com 931620078 204.239.3.135 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:21:18 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 08:21:18 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19328 Hi I'm a "newbe" with a question. I had two stacks of supers outside for a season. a couple of days ago I saw some activity in the suppers. I thot they were just being robbed. Last night I did a closer check to reveal a lot of bees and new honey in both stacks f suppers. I set them up as a proper hive but as I was doing that I observed that there was no brook in the one have just lots of bees and green honey. Can anyone help me with this? I obviously picked up a couple of swarms but......? Thanks Jeff From stoneacres@netscape.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:01 EDT 1999 Article: 19329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.lightlink.com!diablo.cs.uofs.edu!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp1.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Royal Draper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Honey but no brood Lines: 106 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01BECACD.B0C72460" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: <4lKh3.1347$uA5.111827@nnrp1.ptd.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:16:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.186.180.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ptd.net X-Trace: nnrp1.ptd.net 931623360 204.186.180.48 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:16:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:16:00 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19329 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BECACD.B0C72460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You have a couple options: 1.. Add some brood with fresh eggs from another colony, and let them = make a new queen. 2.. Order a new queen through the mail, and add her to the colony. Either way you most likely will not make much honey this year, but = hopefully they will produce enough to make it through the winter. We sell queens if you are interested, see our website www.draperbee.com = or call if you have any questions 800-233-4273 Good Luck! Royal W. Draper draperb@ptd.net J&D BEES wrote in message ... >Hi >I'm a "newbe" with a question. > >I had two stacks of supers outside for a season. a couple of days ago = I saw >some activity in the suppers. I thot they were just being robbed. = Last >night I did a closer check to reveal a lot of bees and new honey in = both >stacks f suppers. I set them up as a proper hive but as I was doing = that I >observed that there was no brook in the one have just lots of bees and = green >honey. > >Can anyone help me with this? > >I obviously picked up a couple of swarms but......? > >Thanks > >Jeff > > ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BECACD.B0C72460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You have a couple options:
  1. Add some brood with fresh eggs from another = colony, and let=20 them make a new queen.
  2. Order a new queen through the mail, and add her = to the=20 colony.
Either way you most likely will not make much honey = this year,=20 but hopefully they will produce enough to make it through the=20 winter.
We sell queens if you are interested, see our = website www.draperbee.com or call if you = have any=20 questions 800-233-4273
 
Good Luck!
 
Royal W. Draper
draperb@ptd.net
 
J&D BEES wrote in=20 message = ...
>Hi
>I'm a=20 "newbe" with a question.
>
>I had two stacks of = supers=20 outside for a season.  a couple of days ago I saw
>some = activity in=20 the suppers.  I thot they were just being robbed.  = Last
>night I=20 did a closer check to reveal a lot of bees and new honey in = both
>stacks f=20 suppers.  I set them up as a proper hive but as I was doing that=20 I
>observed that there was no brook in the one have just lots of = bees and=20 green
>honey.
>
>Can anyone help me with=20 this?
>
>I obviously picked up a couple of swarms=20 but......?
>
>Thanks
>
>Jeff
>
> ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01BECACD.B0C72460-- From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:02 EDT 1999 Article: 19330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!144.212.100.101!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-11.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bees seen in garden flowers Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:46:39 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <19990710093449.20600.00006368@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.0b X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 1999 18:50:50 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19330 I saw the damndest looking bee the other day... Black body, and bright orange abdomen. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:03 EDT 1999 Article: 19331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-11.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:43:42 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.0b X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 1999 18:47:53 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19331 In article <7m5mde$spa$1@ffx2nh3.news.uu.net>, "Kent Petersen" wrote: > Can anyone help me? We > can hear them in there. There must be thousands. > Don't let it worry you, but... there are probably TENS of thousands! ;) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:04 EDT 1999 Article: 19332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!blanket.mitre.org!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-11.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Chalkbrood Transmission Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:00:13 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.0b X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 1999 19:04:24 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19332 I went out with a local beekeeper to visit his hives this morning, and he had two pretty well wrung out from chalkbrood. I used a hive tool of his, but my gloves while working the diseased hive. Should I sterilize the gloves before using them to go into my hive? Thanks! -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:05 EDT 1999 Article: 19333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-212-11.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 13:09:41 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d4.0b X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 1999 19:13:52 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19333 We live in the city, and an neighbor two doors down just came by to let me know they're having their elm trees sprayed with Sevin tomorrow morning. They know I have a hive of bees, and wanted to warn me. Since the bees don't forage on the trees, I imagine it won't be a problem, however... Should I do anything to protect the girls? Mebbe wrap the hive in cheese cloth tonight, and let 'em out tomorrow afternoon? Thanks. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From h.tait@home.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!netnews.com!nntp.abs.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Hugh Tait" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <7m123v$bom$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m12dc$sui$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:36:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.65.132.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news.rdc1.ab.wave.home.com 931635363 24.65.132.209 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:36:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 12:36:03 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19334 We have top entrances in all our hives, and are using in quite a few a 1 inch bored hole to facilitate entrance.From watching gatherers bring in nectar the bypass the bottom entrance and fly directly to the top entrance or in the hole in the middle of the super. The then do not have the excluder to deal with . hugh Boschman Huges Apiaries > In addition--queen excluders around here are referred to as "honey > excluders". Think about it...a foraging bee returning to the hive full of > nectar then having to squeeze through an excluder? They will - but they > don't want to! > > --Busybee > From Amschelp@pe.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:06 EDT 1999 Article: 19335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!209.44.33.119!hub1.ispnews.com!typ32b.nn.bcandid.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bees seen in garden flowers Message-ID: References: <19990710093449.20600.00006368@ng-cl1.aol.com> Organization: All X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.11 Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.100.28.128 X-Trace: typ32b.nn.bcandid.com 931640273 216.100.28.128 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:57:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:57:53 EDT Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 14:02:45 -0700 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19335 That would have been the dreaded Black Widow Bee. In article , HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) says... > I saw the damndest looking bee the other day... > > Black body, and bright orange abdomen. > > > From beebiz@frontiernet.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:07 EDT 1999 Article: 19336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!news.idt.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!iad-peer.news.verio.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 16:27:58 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7m8dna$25si$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-104.nas-2.lec.frontiernet.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 931641898 71570 209.130.165.104 (10 Jul 1999 21:24:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 21:24:58 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19336 Can they spray after dusk? After the bees have settled in for the night? --Busybee Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >We live in the city, and an neighbor two doors down just came by to let me >know they're having their elm trees sprayed with Sevin tomorrow morning. >They know I have a hive of bees, and wanted to warn me. > >Since the bees don't forage on the trees, I imagine it won't be a problem, >however... > >Should I do anything to protect the girls? Mebbe wrap the hive in cheese >cloth tonight, and let 'em out tomorrow afternoon? > >Thanks. > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-215-226.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd Bees seen in garden flowers Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 15:12:12 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <19990710093449.20600.00006368@ng-cl1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d7.e2 X-Server-Date: 10 Jul 1999 21:16:23 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19337 In article , Amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: > That would have been the dreaded Black Widow Bee. > > YIKES! (You're kidding, right?) -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:33:08 EDT 1999 Article: 19338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:00:07 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 46 Message-ID: <7m8ja4$3d8$5@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <7m5pd7$3lf$2@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <19990709225921.08878.00004050@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 931647620 3496 62.136.4.134 (10 Jul 1999 23:00:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:00:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19338 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990709225921.08878.00004050@ngol07.aol.com>... >I don't doubt your heather comb honey is first rate. Where I live there is a >Scottish food retailer that sells old country food products. I asked them if >they had any honey and they said they didn't. I was surprised since heather >honey is commented in books as being world class. > >Are you from England and please correct me if I am wrong that Scotland produces >heather honey. Is it also true that the character of the honey such that it is >best sold as comb honey, > >I live in Stratford-upon-Avon where the season runs from April to the end of July (although the strange weather in recent years has often made that statement invalid). At the end of July we take the bees to the Yorkshire moors (320 mile round trip) to work the heather (Calluna Vulgaris) which usually starts flowering in very late July or the first week in August; the traditional date for moving was 12 August (the 'Glorious Twelfth' - start of the grouse shooting season) but the heather is now usually well in flower by then. The flow can come at any time - or not at all! - and you need to have bees on the heather in case in comes early. They stay on the moors until about 5 September. Heather honey is very distinctive in that it has a bitter sweet taste (you either like or you hate it) and is thixotropic i.e. it has a jelly like consistency but becomes liquid when stirred, but then returns to the jelly state - like non-drip paint; a good word to describe it is 'gloopy'! Extracting is a problem. It will not spin out with a radial extractor, but can be 'loosened' with various devices that use 'needles' to stir the honey in the comb and make it possible to extract with a tangential extractor. However, because of its physical properties, air bubbles do not rise to the surface and any extracting leaves very fine air bubbles in the honey giving it an unattractive muddy appearance. In my view the best options are either to produce cut comb (it is perfect for this as it does not drain away where the comb has been cut) or to press the comb using a rack and cloth press (as used for wine making). The press produces a clear honey with characteristic large (up to approx 1/8") air bubbles which give a sparkling appearance. From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:33:09 EDT 1999 Article: 19339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:35:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: <7m8ja3$3d8$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 931647619 3496 62.136.4.134 (10 Jul 1999 23:00:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:00:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Lines: 32 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19339 I have to ask why anyone would spray an elm tree with Sevin! Not sure about your season over there, but bees do work elm flowers (or so I am told - we have lost virtually all our elms to Dutch Elm disease; their only use now is that the rotting stumps make wonderful smoker fuel). Sevin is nasty stuff as it is persistent - if it contaminates pollen and the bees bring it back to the hive then you will have problems for some time. Negotiate! Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >We live in the city, and an neighbor two doors down just came by to let me >know they're having their elm trees sprayed with Sevin tomorrow morning. >They know I have a hive of bees, and wanted to warn me. > >Since the bees don't forage on the trees, I imagine it won't be a problem, >however... > >Should I do anything to protect the girls? Mebbe wrap the hive in cheese >cloth tonight, and let 'em out tomorrow afternoon? > >Thanks. > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:33:10 EDT 1999 Article: 19340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:27:27 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <7m8ja2$3d8$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 931647618 3496 62.136.4.134 (10 Jul 1999 23:00:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:00:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19340 Jajwuth wrote in message <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com>... >In one of my honey books I read the following (paraphrased): > >A dude found a hive in Australia. It was perched on top of a Eucalyptus tree, >150 ft. up. The hive was 36 ft high and 21 ft across. A tall story in more ways than one! From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:33:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!iad-peer.news.verio.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey but no brood Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:25:10 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 28 Message-ID: <7m8ja1$3d8$2@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 931647617 3496 62.136.4.134 (10 Jul 1999 23:00:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:00:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19341 J&D BEES wrote in message ... >Hi >I'm a "newbe" with a question. > >I had two stacks of supers outside for a season. a couple of days ago I saw >some activity in the suppers. I thot they were just being robbed. Last >night I did a closer check to reveal a lot of bees and new honey in both >stacks f suppers. I set them up as a proper hive but as I was doing that I >observed that there was no brook in the one have just lots of bees and green >honey. 1 Not good practice to allow supers to be robbed out - it can spread disease. 2 You have probably got a swarm in there. 3 Lack of brood may be because the queen has not yet started to lay - you do not say how long they have been there. 4 I have seen green honey where bees were near a soft drinks factory and were robbing discarded containers of concentrate used for flavouring and colouring the drinks.> From edwards.p@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Sat Jul 10 22:33:11 EDT 1999 Article: 19342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!easynet-tele!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Chalkbrood Transmission Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:18:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7m8ja0$3d8$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-6.neon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 931647616 3496 62.136.4.134 (10 Jul 1999 23:00:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jul 1999 23:00:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19342 Research by Bailey show that chalk brood spores can be found in virtually all hives. However, not all colonies show symptoms. There is a parallel in EFB, where many now believe this to be endemic, but with the majority of colonies not displaying clinical symptoms. (Rather like the human population and the common cold - it is endemic - but most cope with it and do not suffer any really serious problem). There is, therefore, no point in trying to sterilise equipment. One interesting point: since I have been using thymol to treat varroa I have not seen any chalk brood - and it was previously always a significant problem. Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message ... >I went out with a local beekeeper to visit his hives this morning, and he >had two pretty well wrung out from chalkbrood. > >I used a hive tool of his, but my gloves while working the diseased hive. > >Should I sterilize the gloves before using them to go into my hive? > >Thanks! > >-- >Charles "Stretch" Ledford >STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY >"North America and the Entire World" >http://www.GoStretch.com From honeybs@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:12 EDT 1999 Article: 19343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:32:40 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <7m8mlg$j25$1@news1.Radix.Net> References: <7lmmiu$ju5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <7lnfuv$1g9m$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lol00$qh0$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lqaeg$2578$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lr5j1$8t6$1@news4.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lrmd6$1eau$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7lu1nq$suj$2@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7lubbe$1eok$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <7m0h5b$f0c$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk> <7m0u5d$85a$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19343 Experiments were conducted at the University of Maryland on this subject. No difference in the honey's color could be detected from dark combs or new combs. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:13 EDT 1999 Article: 19344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:40:20 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <7m8n3r$j25$3@news1.Radix.Net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19344 HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) wrote: >We live in the city, and an neighbor two doors down just came by to let me >know they're having their elm trees sprayed with Sevin tomorrow morning. >They know I have a hive of bees, and wanted to warn me. >Since the bees don't forage on the trees, I imagine it won't be a problem, >however... >Should I do anything to protect the girls? Mebbe wrap the hive in cheese >cloth tonight, and let 'em out tomorrow afternoon? >Thanks. If your going to keep them in make sure to use a screen top on the hive. Spraying a little water on them might be a good idea too. I am assuming that it is hot where you are. If they can't get out to get water to cool the hive then you have to help. Maybe some ice on top of the screen. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From honeybs@radix.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!u-2.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (honeybs) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Brood combs darken honey? was re queen excluders Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:35:50 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <7m8mrd$j25$2@news1.Radix.Net> References: <19990707234934.26293.00009227@ng-cn1.aol.com> <19990708000644.15119.00001950@ng-fl1.aol.com> <7m1rhe$gpa$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19345 "busybee" wrote: >I'm cool about this...it's just people get bent out of shape when you use >feces and vomit in the same sentence as honey. Yeah, especially when you see the little devels gathering dog pee! They damn near follow the dog around. Greg the beekeep // Bee Just & Just Bee! =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs From jimowen@swbell.net Sat Jul 10 22:33:14 EDT 1999 Article: 19346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!typhoon01.swbell.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3787E451.87785539@swbell.net> From: Jim Owen Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:24:49 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.164.48.54 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: typhoon01.swbell.net 931652576 151.164.48.54 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:22:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 17:22:56 PDT Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19346 I read an article about 2 years ago (don't remember where) about the "brick trick". In a research beeyard at one of the major universities (I think), they had the bricks painted different colors on each face, and a specific color facing "up" had a specific meaning to all the various crews who worked in the yard. One color meant "queen right", another meant "swarm cells", etc. They said the color codes allowed them to work a lot of hives and remember which ones were "abnormal" (whatever that means, and the reason) from the others. Personally, I use rocks (and an occasional brick) to keep the covers on, and haven't bothered painting them. regards, Jim Jajwuth wrote: > I watched videos on beekeeping and noticed that the beekeeper positions the > brick on the hive to indicate a future action to be done. > > Seems like a neat low tech way of reminding oneself of what needs to be done or > has been done to the hive. > > Is this language specific to each beekeeper or is there some common elements to > all beekeepers that practise it? > > Al From beefruitful@my-deja.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:15 EDT 1999 Article: 19347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: beefruitful@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: work wanted SO. Cali. Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:14:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7m8nke$h1e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.179.245.72 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jul 11 00:04:04 1999 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x34.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 209.179.245.72 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19347 Hello, My name is David DeWitt, I am a beekeeper who just moved to the Los Angeles/Long Beach area. I am looking for work in a apiary. I have been keeping bees for 10 years. I am also looking for an organic farm to rent space so that I can set up 10-20 hives. Please contact by e-mail: dakd@earthlink.net or by U.S. mail: 12135 Stanwood Dr. Los Angeles, CA 90066 thanks, David Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From rhfjr81@aol.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:16 EDT 1999 Article: 19348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rhfjr81@aol.com (Rhfjr81) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Solar Wax melter Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 00:38:48 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19348 I am looking for plans how to build your own solar wax melted. I have about 5 pounds of cappings from our latest extracting and need to seperate the wax from the impurites. Can anyone help me located plans how to build one????? Richard Flanagan From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:17 EDT 1999 Article: 19349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-100.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:13:42 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <7m8ja3$3d8$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.64 X-Server-Date: 11 Jul 1999 01:18:42 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19349 In article <7m8ja3$3d8$4@news8.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > I have to ask why anyone would spray an elm tree with Sevin! > They said some kinda bug is eating the hell out of the trees. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From HiStretch@GoStretch.com Sat Jul 10 22:33:18 EDT 1999 Article: 19350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!firehose.mindspring.com!pool-207-205-214-100.dnvr.grid.net!user From: HiStretch@GoStretch.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need QUICK Help Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 19:13:01 -0600 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <7m8dna$25si$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cf.cd.d6.64 X-Server-Date: 11 Jul 1999 01:18:01 GMT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19350 In article <7m8dna$25si$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "busybee" wrote: > Can they spray after dusk? After the bees have settled in for the night? > > --Busybee I doubt it... it's their yard, they schedule it when they can... it's happening tomorrow morning. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.GoStretch.com From slovacek@hotmail.com Sun Jul 11 08:39:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: "Mark Slovacek" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Bee Suplier Suggestions Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:45:45 -0500 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.150.72.120 Message-ID: <3787ec95.0@news.busprod.com> X-Trace: 11 Jul 1999 01:00:05 GMT, 207.150.72.120 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.154.138.15!news.busprod.com!207.150.72.120 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19351 I am looking to requeen one of my hive, and split another so I am in the process of looking for a bee supplier. It was suggested to me by another bee keeper that the supplier that I bought my bees from before sold bees that sometimes would be infested with different diseases. I live in the pan-handle of Oklahoma, who are some reliable bee suppliers for my area? Thanks, Mark Slovacek. From jajwuth@aol.com Sun Jul 11 08:39:42 EDT 1999 Article: 19352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 02:09:59 GMT References: <7m8ja2$3d8$3@news8.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990710220959.05316.00005179@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19352 Peter Edwards writes: >A tall story in more ways than one! > This was taken from a book entitled Everthing You Wanted To Know About Honey by P. E. Norris on pg 15. The hive was discovered by a dude by the name of Dr. Gulmeth. The hive yielded 7,000 lbs of honey and it was sold for $1,200. The book was published in 1972. Seems like a shame to disturb it since the hive was probably quite old and unusual Cheers Al. From hensler@povn.com Sun Jul 11 08:39:43 EDT 1999 Article: 19353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!nntp.gctr.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.good.net!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <378809F9.14B7@povn.com> From: "J. F Hensler" Reply-To: hensler@povn.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax melter References: <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 20:05:29 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.107.251.194 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 931662221 206.107.251.194 (Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:03:41 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 22:03:41 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19353 Rhfjr81 wrote: > > I am looking for plans how to build your own solar wax melted. I have about 5 > pounds of cappings from our latest extracting and need to seperate the wax from > the impurites. Can anyone help me located plans how to build one????? > > Richard Flanagan Yo Rich: Try http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/solmltr.htm Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock From gstyLer@.worldnet.att.net Sun Jul 11 08:39:44 EDT 1999 Article: 19354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!206.191.82.231!rockie.attcanada.net!attcanada!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 18:34:10 -0700 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7m92a4$su6$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.196 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931662980 29638 12.72.50.196 (11 Jul 1999 03:16:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jul 1999 03:16:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19354 I solved this problem by going with migratory-type covers. I'll never go back to the telescoping. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there Charles "Stretch" Ledford wrote in message news:HiStretch-0807992325070001@pool-207-205-215-75.dnvr.grid.net... > FWIW... > > I keep a brick on top of the hive to keep the top from blowing in windy > conditions. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.GoStretch.com From bill.greenrose@valley.net Sun Jul 11 08:39:45 EDT 1999 Article: 19355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.amsterdam.nl.net!sun4nl!uunet!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!news.bu.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!not-for-mail From: Bill Greenrose Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: brick on hive Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:13:44 -0400 Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH, USA Lines: 50 Message-ID: <378819F7.F56BD659@valley.net> References: <19990708211739.05874.00003675@ngol05.aol.com> <3787E451.87785539@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: v8-p-104.valley.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19355 Jim Owen wrote: > I read an article about 2 years ago (don't remember where) about the "brick > trick". In a research beeyard at one of the major universities (I think), they had > the bricks painted different colors on each face, and a specific color facing "up" > had a specific meaning to all the various crews who worked in the yard. One color > meant "queen right", another meant "swarm cells", etc. They said the color codes > allowed them to work a lot of hives and remember which ones were "abnormal" > (whatever that means, and the reason) from the others. > > Personally, I use rocks (and an occasional brick) to keep the covers on, and > haven't bothered painting them. > > regards, > Jim > greetings, i've lost the start of this thread. is the general opinion here that telescoping covers need bricks on top to keep them in place? i ask, because we just had a wicked bad storm blow thru here [new hamsphire] earlier in the week. winds blew down some huge trees in the valley and ripped the roof off of the city hall. it was kind of localized, depended on whether or not you were in the line of fire. up here on the ridge, i was. i lost 7 trees around the house and yard, unknown number in the woods. i figure the straight winds gusted to 70+ mph. the reason i give this detail is because my hives were in the back yard and took some real heavy blasts. right now, they are 3 deeps with 3 medium supers on top, pretty tall, with telescoping roofs. i was prepared for the worst, but those babies didn't budge at all. guess, there's value to propolis, after all. as to the roofs, i didn't secure them in any way, maybe i was just lucky? side note: this storm came up real fast in mid-afternoon. one minute i was watering the garden in full sun and 96 degrees, then next it looked like dusk, and i was scrambling to get the dog inside, before the sky fell. about 5 minutes before the storm hit, there were huge clouds of bees before the hive entrances, much more than usual, all rushing to get inside. i figure they were responding to a rapid drop in barometric pressure, but it's just a guess. bill ########################################## don't shoot me, i'm only the guitar player bill.greenrose@valley.net [home] greenros@medicalmedia.com [work] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1397 From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jul 11 08:39:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 05:47:48 GMT References: <3786D6AB.33A3@midwest.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990711014748.09001.00003723@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19356 >head out to retrieve bees or sell on of his top notch bee vacs. > > >I just have one request Kev, if they're in S.E. IL can I have 'em? > > > >AL > SURE THING DUDE damn caps key Ya don't just leave here and drop by out thar ya know ?? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From hk1beeman@aol.com Sun Jul 11 08:39:46 EDT 1999 Article: 19357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: BEE HIVE in WALL OF MY HOUSE!! Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 05:49:17 GMT References: <19990710082323.04440.00010567@ng-cj1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990711014917.09001.00003724@ng-cs1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19357 >Just a reminder Kevin. I bought the very first Big Johnson. So I figure those >bees are mine if they are in the state of Florida. > >Barr hehe, yep an the initial prototype at that ! how'd it work out for ya this season ? Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC From bud1941@webtv.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 07:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 4 Message-ID: <18135-37887F12-39@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <19990710220959.05316.00005179@ngol02.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAuAhUAoVhUBbe7aoj2p6cZK1Nk2s0biXcCFQCdcmh24477FoG2vj1Gy9Wk5a9jyQ== Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19358 Make sure that you do not believe every thing you read. Seeing is beliveing. BUD From sauer@mwci.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:48 EDT 1999 Article: 19359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!howland.erols.net!news-out.supernews.com.MISMATCH!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: "Chris Sauer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Fluvalinate Poisoning - use formic acid! Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:41:59 GMT Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 79 Message-ID: <01becba3$4b20c860$ba958ecf@default> References: <7lponv$a11$1@news.dnsg.net> <19990705215630.08946.00002528@ng-fn1.aol.com> <7lsu56$kab$3@news1.Radix.Net> <3785688B.5E9C1C2D@globalserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.142.149.186 NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:41:59 GMT X-Trace: 931700519.933.17 EYSSBSUGM95BACF8EC qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19359 This sounds terrific... in Canada. This application of formic acid is not approved in the US. Chris Colesburg Apiaries mwhite wrote in article <3785688B.5E9C1C2D@globalserve.net>... > > Hi all: > Here in Canada the Ontario Beekeepers Association, The University of Guelph > and the Ontario Ministry of Agriculture joined together to developed a effective > and safe method of applying Formic Acid. > Go to your local lumber store and buy Tentest Homosote board 1/2 (it must be > the Homosote nothing else seems to work as well). Cut pads 8" x 9.6". Place them > in VEGETABLE Ziploc bags. These bags will help to control the evaporation rate of > the formic acid. Place the pads standing on there ends in a plastic pail. Add the > recommended amount of formic acid 2.5L for 10 pads or 250 ml for one pad. Seal the > > container with a lid. After 3 days rotate the pads. The pads should be ready in 2 > more days when all the acid is absorbed. > Now to the hive. You will need to make spacers 1/2". These pads will be place > on the 1/2" spacers on top of the brood chamber frames. The other thing you will > need to make it a 1" rim for the top outside edge of the brood chamber. This will > allow your brood chamber lid to sit up the extra 1" to give a little extra air > space. > Note: they recommend applying in the spring Formic acid and Apistan strips in > the fall. > > For more info look at this web site > http://www.tcc.on.ca/~ontbee > > Good luck > > > > honeybs wrote: > > > hk1beeman@aol.com (Hk1BeeMan) wrote: > > > > >>Why don't you try formic acid? In Europe and Canada it has been used for > > > > >Not yet approved for use here, the gov't thinks we might burn our puty little > > >fingers > > > > >Kevin Johnson, Big Johnson Beekeeping, Lillington NC > > > > From the hives that I have seen at USDA it's pretty damn > > hard on the bees too. Small populations that looked half > > dead. > > > > Greg the beekeep > > > > // Bee Just & Just Bee! > > =8{ })))- Chicamuxen, Maryland, USA > > \\ www.radix.net\~honeybs > > > > > > -- > White House Greetings from Mike and Luci > > > From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:49 EDT 1999 Article: 19360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 17:37:01 GMT References: <18135-37887F12-39@newsd-173.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990711133701.17959.00005679@ngol01.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19360 I have no reason to disbelieve it. The mammoth hive in the tree might be a conglomerate of a number of hives. Another dude by the name of Dr. Jaromir Rasin built a minature concrete palace, surmounted by a cupola, in which lived more than 7,000,000 bees. That would be equivalent of how many LHs? (140). He kept the bees mainly to study them and record his observations. cheers Al From teeedle2@aol.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: teeedle2@aol.com (Teeedle2) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: anyone near Denver want a swarm ? Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 18:53:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19990711145345.15723.00013217@ng-fp1.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19361 hi, i have a swarm of honeybees im my tree and would like to find them a better home. it is about soccer ball sized. i have been unable to find anyone who is interested..... any suggestions? ( we are in Denver suburbs, Littleton) thanks, Teee From jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:50 EDT 1999 Article: 19362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!24.92.226.150!newsf1.twcny.rr.com!newsr1.twcny.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3788FC4B.1DEF875C@twcny.rr.com> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jgovost1@twcny.rr.com Organization: Laahdeefreakindaaah X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top-bar Hive Info Page on WWW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 3 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:19:31 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.95.169.104 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: newsr1.twcny.rr.com 931723782 24.95.169.104 (Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:09:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:09:42 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19362 ...at http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm From thoem@cgocable.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:51 EDT 1999 Article: 19363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3788F0A6.B8702521@cgocable.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:29:43 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: Jajwuth Subject: Re: humugous hive References: <19990709225920.08878.00004049@ngol07.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net X-Trace: 11 Jul 1999 15:31:33 -0500, cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Lines: 18 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19363 Whatever they got, they earned it going up 150 feet and bringing down 7,000 lbs. Jajwuth wrote: > In one of my honey books I read the following (paraphrased): > > A dude found a hive in Australia. It was perched on top of a Eucalyptus tree, > 150 ft. up. The hive was 36 ft high and 21 ft across. They harvested it and it > yielded 7000 lbs of honey. The honey was particularly prized for its medicinal > value. They actually sold the honey. I won't mention the value because the > dollar value is dated. > > Do you suppose the honey was valuable because of the size of the hive and the > fact that it was a wild hive? > > Al > . From thoem@cgocable.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <3788EFAA.28596F8F@cgocable.net> Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:25:30 -0400 From: Peter Thoem X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Economics of Beekeeping Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net X-Trace: 11 Jul 1999 15:27:20 -0500, cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Lines: 17 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone.news.idirect.com!island.idirect.com!news1.tor.metronet.ca!news.cgocable.net!cogeco-52-122.cgocable.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19364 Venturing into a big subject I pose the question---. What are the economics of beekeeping? I live in Southern Ontario where the winters are cold. The season for bee activity is,as far as I can tell, May through mid-October. How many hives can a full timer handle? How much honey can you get per year from an established colony? How much honey would you get in a great year? How much would you get in a poor year? (assuming the colony is healthy.) How much ($/per lb.) can you sell honey for? Is there money to be earned from the wax, or other by-products? That'll do for a starting point. Any help will be appreciated. From booton@jobe.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:52 EDT 1999 Article: 19365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!pcis.net!usenet From: Morris Booton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Bee Suplier Suggestions Date: 11 Jul 1999 21:09:09 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: <7mb15l$fgf$0@208.18.95.5> References: <3787ec95.0@news.busprod.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.18.95.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19365 Mark: I live in MO and use Homan Mcmasters out of Mississippi. They have good bees and Queens. MRB Mark Slovacek wrote: > I am looking to requeen one of my hive, and split another so I am in the > process of looking for a bee supplier. It was suggested to me by another > bee keeper that the supplier that I bought my bees from before sold bees > that sometimes would be infested with different diseases. I live in the > pan-handle of Oklahoma, who are some reliable bee suppliers for my area? > > Thanks, > Mark Slovacek. From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: humugous hive Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jul 1999 22:00:46 GMT References: <3788F0A6.B8702521@cgocable.net> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990711180046.05315.00005533@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19366 Peter Thoem writes: >Whatever they got, they earned it going up 150 feet and bringing down 7,000 >lbs. > It says he felled the tree with great care so as not to injure the hive. Whatever that is suppose to mean, if you fell the tree with a hive that big I would think you would destroy the hive. Al From jkimbro@midtown.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:53 EDT 1999 Article: 19367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!remarQ73!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Kimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extracting Honey Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:56:17 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Lines: 22 Message-ID: <37892F21.3D2AA632@midtown.net> References: <7lr0ld$q7q$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.87 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:01:42 GMT X-Trace: 931737702.869.51 YIDHBSSGM6557CDA2C qube-02.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19367 There are lot's-O-keepers out there that would "rent" you an extractor. Or a local beekeepers association possibly,,what part of the world are ya in? carmar wrote: > I have Five deep frames of honey that I would like to > extract..Can anyone advise a reasonable way to do this > without an extractor. I would like to save the comb if > at all possible. When I received this hive it had > two brood chambers full of brood and honey. and a third > deep super with 5 frames of mostly capped honey..I removed > the deep super and replaced it with shallow one. Now I > Have these deep frames to extract.. > > Thank you > > Carol Martin > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From jkimbro@midtown.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:54 EDT 1999 Article: 19368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!remarQ-uK!rQdQ!supernews.com!remarQ.com!remarQ69!corp.remarQ.com!not-for-mail From: Jerry Kimbro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax melter Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:07:54 -0700 Organization: Posted via RemarQ, http://www.remarQ.com - The Internet's Discussion Network Message-ID: <378931DA.7F10373F@midtown.net> References: <19990710203848.11255.00012379@ng-cd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.162.101.87 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:13:22 GMT X-Trace: 931738402.044.102 YIDHBSSGM6557CDA2C qube-01.us-ca.remarq.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@remarQ.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19368 ........or http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/melter.html Not as simple as the other one,,but I've built a few of the things posted on Barry's site,,,all quality stuff Rhfjr81 wrote: > I am looking for plans how to build your own solar wax melted. I have about 5 > pounds of cappings from our latest extracting and need to seperate the wax from > the impurites. Can anyone help me located plans how to build one????? > > Richard Flanagan From tedjordan@netscape.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!204.210.252.253!cyclone.columbus.rr.com!cyclone.rdc-detw.rr.com!news.mw.mediaone.net!typhoon1.rdc-detw.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3787B5F5.8C5C6F2@mediaone.net> From: ted jordan Reply-To: tedjordan@netscape.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en]C-MOEMW (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.bio.botany,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Killing Bees/Wasps in Between Walls of House Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 34 Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 00:01:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.30.25.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon1.rdc-detw.rr.com 931737693 24.30.25.211 (Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:01:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:01:33 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:151 sci.bio.botany:10158 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19369 Please respond to me directly as I don't read these groups often (really, at all)... We had critter control by last year and they were able to kill a wasp nest inside the roof of our home. Lately I've noticed about 4 groups of wasps that are invading the walls of our home, and it sounds like their nests are being built in between the walls of our home. In the morning I can see them flying into and out of aluminum sided areas of the home. So, I'd like to kill them and never see them again by NOT removing aluminum siding. I understand that destroying the nest is the best way to stop 'em, but that would mean detroying our house which I'd rather not do. Is there any other way? Are there any animals/bugs I can have around that would kill them? Can I get them to feed on a substance that would wipe out the colony? I've sprayed, but I'm sure u know that did about as much good as a cool shower. Any help appreciated...please respond directly. thanx ted jordan From jajwuth@aol.com Mon Jul 12 12:13:55 EDT 1999 Article: 19370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!faatcrl.faa.gov!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.axxsys.net!remarQ-easT!supernews.com!remarQ.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jajwuth@aol.com (Jajwuth) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: top bar hive problem Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jul 1999 00:39:05 GMT References: <7m1ed8$27u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL Canada http://www.aol.ca X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Message-ID: <19990711203905.05316.00005368@ngol02.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:19370 Jared I've done a little further reading on this problem Apparently bees are very exacting in producing cells of honeycomb the angles are almost always the same. There are exceptions of cells being fashioned to fill in odd corners. It was even proposed by a French scientist (Reaumur) that man could do worse than adopt the cell of the hive as a standard measure. Knowing that bees are such exacting geometers. The beeman has to meet the challenge in designing the hive and monitoring the comb building as a geometer himself. Using top bar hives is like beekeeping on the edge and over. Al. From Redshrike@worldnet.att.net Mon Jul 12 12:13:56 EDT 1999 Article: 19371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmaster2!not-for-mail From: "Gabe" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mimosa Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:13:36 -0400 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <7mbj9f$4io$1@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <37861495.2347@midwest.net> <7m646v$7vi$2@news1.Radix.Net> <3786A6E5.47B@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.20.85 X-Trace: bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net 931745903 469