Article 25286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joeblow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Message-ID: References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: joeblow X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 37 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 06:07:15 EDT Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 06:11:09 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25286 In article <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com says... > Hi there, > > I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > question but I couldn't find any answers in the > books I have or on the web... > > Stupid question - here it is > > I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > cold). In any case I am not sure they are > alive... checked them today (nice and warm > finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > Starved? What do you think? > > Thanks > > Ron E. > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Hi, I don't want to alarm you but I had this experience too. If it reaches 65 to 70 degrees bees should look like live bees. If they look slow and listless kind of shivering, I would suspect some kind of poisening. The chemical Sevin that some folks use will make your bees look frozen. Buzz Article 25287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!ams.uu.net!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Black Perco Frame Experience X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39365CB8.33038625@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com> <8h5g55$6ha$1@news.smartworld.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 12:53:13 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25287 Allen Dick wrote: > Is it waxed or unwaxed? The waxed is accepted well in my experience, the > unwaxed is not. > > They are waxed. Hopefully I will get another swarm in the 2nd trap that has the other 5 frames. I will see then if it happens a 2nd time. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Changing sizes of frames on the bees during a move Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:20:58 -0400 Organization: The Bee Works Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <20000601043807.29381.00001093@ng-fd1.aol.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25288 The best way would be to place the old nuc brood box below, make sure the queen is in the new top box, then add a queen excluder between the two. When all the brood has emerged from below, remove the box. LKLarson1 wrote in message news:20000601043807.29381.00001093@ng-fd1.aol.com... > I have a new nuc of bees and don't have a large standard size brood chamber, > and frankly, don't want another. Is there any method of getting the bees to > move into a Western super (much smaller than the large size) and still not > sacrificing the large numbers of brood on those frames in the nuc? > > Right now, I've had the nuc sitting on top of a Western, and then put a cut > (partial) cover over the rest of the Western thinking that the bees would then > move down for more activity (including the queen coming down and over to > lay)--after three weeks, not much success. > > Now I'm thinking of simply moving the frames to another hive, and dusting off > the bees onto an old, drawn Western and then feeding them for a few weeks. > > What do you think? > > Thanks. > > Article 25289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!uunet!ffx.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp From: "Billy Y. Smart II" Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs496769.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <39367667.931511AF@nospam.boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Tooling Numeric Control Programming - Wichita Division X-Accept-Language: en References: <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com> <393557F3.79D5C253@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:42:47 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 29 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25289 John Edwards wrote: > This has been the subject of research for the last half-century or more. I > refer you to the following clips from S.E. McGregor's book "Insect > Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants", which we maintain and update on our > website at http://198.22.133.109/book/index.html > Cotton can be found (and read) in Chapter 10. > - Hope this helps ...... and which is stranger - cotton in Kansas, or corn > in Phoenix ? > > I found this document over in Dave Green's pollination web site too (thanks, btw). It appears to have been written back in the 1960's. I was hoping for more recent information. If you consider the demise of feral colonies as of late, it makes me wonder if the addition of bees to a cotton field would make a more significant difference now than it did back then. Especially if you consider that Kansas, not being a traditional cotton state, could possibly lack the natural pollinators it takes to adequately handle the larger fields of cotton we have this year. -- Billy Y. Smart II /* If the opinions expressed herein reflect those of the */ /* Boeing Company, it would be entirely coincidental. */ /* Remove the "NOSPAM" from the address to reply */ Article 25290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees turn up the heat on invaders Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 10:45:03 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25290 From New Scientist magazine, 03 June 20 online at: http://www.newscientist.com:80/news/news_224134.html A beehive runs a fever when it gets sick, just like people, says Philip Starks and his colleagues at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York. Like other social insects, bees keep their nests warm to speed up the growth of their larvae. But Starks found that if the fungus Ascosphaera apis is added, bees increase the temperature of their nests by a further 0·56 ºC. At the higher temperature the fungus cannot infect and kill larvae (Naturwissenschaften, vol 87, p 229). The fever-like behaviour of the colony is strikingly similar to that of an individual animal and may be widespread among social insects, says Thomas Seeley, who supervised the study. Article 25291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: more gm/bees news Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:20:30 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25291 still more for info/discussion purposes from: http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/0005/29/text/world13.html Great jumping genes: study jolts assurances on GM crops Date: 29/05/2000 London: Research by a leading German zoologist has shown that genes used to genetically modify crops can jump the species barrier, newspapers reported yesterday. A three-year study by Professor Hans-Heinrich Kaatz at the University of Jena found that the gene used to modify oil-seed rape had transferred to bacteria living inside honey bees. The findings will undermine claims by the biotech industry and supporters of genetically modified foods that genes cannot spread. They will also increase pressure on farmers across Europe to destroy fields of oil-seed rape contaminated with GM seeds. In an interview for Britain's The Observer, Professor Kaatz said: "I have found the herbicide-resistant genes in the rape seed transferred across to the bacteria and yeast inside the intestines of young bees. This happened rarely, but it did happen." Asked if his findings had implications for the bacteria inside the human gut, he replied: "Maybe, but I am not an expert on this." The Observer said Professor Kaatz was reluctant to talk about his work until it was officially published and reviewed by fellow scientists. The reports come a day after Britain's Agriculture Minister, Mr Nick Brown, urged farmers to destroy crops contaminated with GM seeds. Up to 600 farmers in Britain are believed to have inadvertently planted more than 12,000 hectares of oil-seed rape believed to be contaminated with GM rape seeds, supplied by the Anglo-Dutch seed company Advanta. Similar crops have been planted elsewhere in Europe. The French and Swedish governments have already announced they are ordering the uprooting of the crops. Agence France-Presse Article 25292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: time of day to x-fer nuc to hive? Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 12:02:55 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3936B35F.4C793158@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: faraday.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959886600 32632 129.101.81.112 (1 Jun 2000 19:10:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2000 19:10:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25292 Subject says it all- do i do this in the evening before sunset or in the mornign or does it not matter? Anything i gotta know besides open up the new hive, remove a few frames and dump the bees (no smoke). Thanks Matthew Article 25293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!easynet-tele!easynet.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!liv!not-for-mail From: Duncan Robertson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Merseyside? Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 15:16:42 +0100 Organization: University of Liverpool Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3936704A.2BEB1FCC@liv.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc033084.vets.liv.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B1DA604BBBF24F4BA340D6DF" X-Trace: news.liv.ac.uk 959868938 1648 138.253.33.84 (1 Jun 2000 14:15:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@liverpool.ac.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2000 14:15:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25293 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B1DA604BBBF24F4BA340D6DF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Everyone, In conjunction with someone else, I am thinking of starting a hive in Liverpool. Niether of us has ever done this before and we badly need advice. Can any of you put us in touch with/provide contact details for any Merseyside beekeeping associations. Whilst we are in the process of an intense reading program, we both need to talk to experienced bee keepers and if possible see a hive. Do you think we are too late in the year to start doing this? All information gratefully received (direct e-mail preferred) -- Duncan H.L. Robertson Senior Experimental Officer, Dept. Veterinary Preclinical Sciences, University of Liverpool, Liverpool, England. Phone: (UK) 0151 794 4231/5344 Fax: (UK) 0151 794 4243 e-mail: dhlr@liverpool.ac.uk --------------B1DA604BBBF24F4BA340D6DF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="dhlr.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Duncan Robertson Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dhlr.vcf" begin:vcard n:Robertson;Duncan x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 note:Senior Experimental Officer end:vcard --------------B1DA604BBBF24F4BA340D6DF-- Article 25294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!hermes.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!feeder.qis.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 2000 19:51:43 GMT References: <20000530145102.19250.00000995@nso-fm.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000601155143.11546.00002530@ng-ch1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25294 Bob wrote: PESTICIDES will likely destroy your hives. I found that by contacting a local corn farmer in my area who was using larvin 3.2 about putting bees on his land, I made him aware of the presence of the hives nearby that weren't on his land. He subsequently changed his spraying time to dusk to avoid hurting any of my bees. When you're keeping bees in close proximity to people who use potentially harmful pesticides, its better to let them know you're there. However, I don't know if the pesticides used on corn lend themselves to any change in how they are used that would minimize their effects on honeybees. As Bob's post indicates, I've heard that bees and cotton just don't mix. Article 25295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: time of day to x-fer nuc to hive? Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 2000 21:56:10 GMT References: <3936B35F.4C793158@uidaho.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000601175610.11045.00000180@ng-fu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25295 If you are transferring combs from a nuc to a hive body that is to remain in the original spot then anytime convenient will do. If you are placing the nuc frames in a hive body and relocating everything then do it in the evening when the foragers have returned . >Anything i gotta know besides open up the >new hive, remove a few frames and dump the bees The part above confuses me and sounds more like installing package bees. Do that towards evening. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Perco Frame Experience Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 14:58:31 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 21 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust58.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8h6i94$lfu$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com> <8h5g55$6ha$1@news.smartworld.net> <39365CB8.33038625@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust58.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25296 > > Is it waxed or unwaxed? The waxed is accepted well in my experience, the > > unwaxed is not. > > They are waxed. Hopefully I will get another swarm in the 2nd trap that has > the other 5 frames. I will see then if it happens a 2nd time. Some hives will just not do a good job on some foundation. That's just the way it is. I have drawn lots of Pierco, and find it is about the same as other foundation in terms of success. There are even pictures of it in my diary somewhere in April. -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Over 1700 served... Article 25297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 14:56:28 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 44 Message-ID: <3936DC0B.755A4F34@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com> <393557F3.79D5C253@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <39367667.931511AF@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25297 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: > > makes me wonder if the addition of bees to a cotton field would make a more > significant difference now than it did back then. Especially if you consider > that Kansas, not being a traditional cotton state, could possibly lack the > natural pollinators it takes to adequately handle the larger fields of cotton > we have this year. Well, cotton, being naturally self-pollinating, could usually care less about the presence of bees, so it is hard to sell this idea to the growers. That's the subject of much of the old and newer research - whether there is any advantage at all to the cotton grower to have bees in his area, balanced against the usual need to spray cotton for various insects, sometimes frequently. I grew up on a cotton farm (in Buckeye) west of Phoenix, Arizona in the 1940s-1961, and well remember the tension and care my father and the beekeeper across the street had to put into their relationship to remain on speaking terms. By the way - giving credit where it is due - Mr. McGregor's book on "Insect Pollination of Cultivated Crop Plants" is actually USDA Agricultural Handbook No. 496 (1976), and was mostly put together by him in the Tucson Bee Lab after he retired as Chief of the Apicultural Research Branch of the USDA's Agricultural Research Service. He spent many years in Arkansas and Arizona working with cotton and bee problems, which is the probable reason the cotton chapter in his book is 14 large pages with 6 pages of references. It is not a simple problem, but cotton can be the source of a long-lasting honeyflow in areas where it is not sprayed so frequently. --see the entire book at http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/book/index.html ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 25298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!xmission!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: why the inner cover? Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:13:50 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 5 Message-ID: <3935646E.3D08CA1E@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959800875 1299 129.101.81.41 (31 May 2000 19:21:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 31 May 2000 19:21:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25298 I have always used an inner cover. Why would you not use them. Should i use them or not with my new hives? Thanks once again. Matthew Article 25299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc2.tx.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cara & Tom Patterson < tomandcara@home.com> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Supercedure/ Swarming Message-ID: <6iqajsggav72dk0rl54mlafpn37ht23huk@4ax.com> References: <8h2ufj$iv4$1@einstein.greenhills.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:41:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.8.20.181 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc2.tx.home.com 959802076 24.8.20.181 (Wed, 31 May 2000 12:41:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:41:16 PDT Organization: @Home Network Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25299 No significant mite problem, no crowding after the swarms left. I am going to requeen and try new world carniolan. On Wed, 31 May 2000 06:50:43 -0500, "d" wrote: >Hello, >I believe you have a unusual queen, I use buckfast queens, and have some >supercede the second year. Wish I had some of those 10 year old gene pool. >I have never had a problem with swarming in the first two years, although >they get very crowed. I would try another queen , whether buckfast or not. >Do you have a heavy mite problem. I just wondering if they are under stress >, from something. >preacher > Article 25300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsxfer.visi.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: time of day to x-fer nuc to hive? Message-ID: References: <3936B35F.4C793158@uidaho.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 01:01:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 959907669 4.33.104.60 (Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:01:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 18:01:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25300 Matthew Pollard wrote: >Subject says it all- do i do this in the evening before sunset or in the >mornign or does it not matter? I agree with Tom's (BeeCrofter's) advice about evening being a preference, especially if other colonies are nearby. Opening up weaker colonies later in the day can reduce the likelihood of robbing problems too. -John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ Article 25301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3935646E.3D08CA1E@uidaho.edu> Subject: Re: why the inner cover? Lines: 23 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:43:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.41.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 959823834 12.72.41.13 (Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:43:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 01:43:54 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25301 Inner covers are only needed if you use a telescopic cover so the answer to your question depends on what type of cover your new hives have. Personally, I think they make a good argument for using a migratory cover. They are quite expensive and the masonite ones are worthless once the moisture in a normal hive causes them to sag. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message news:3935646E.3D08CA1E@uidaho.edu... > I have always used an inner cover. Why would you not use them. Should i > use them or not with my new hives? > Thanks once again. > Matthew > Article 25302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Black Perco Frame Experience Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:30:55 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 21 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust247.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8h5g55$6ha$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <3933E67B.FAF1BD42@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust247.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25302 > I purchased 10 black Perco frames from Brushy Mountain to try out... the black > Percos aren't being drawn well. Most of the new comb is hanging down from the > top bar instead of being drawn out normal to the foundation.. Is it waxed or unwaxed? The waxed is accepted well in my experience, the unwaxed is not. FWIW, pictures of hives started on Pierco compared to Permadent are in my Diary. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Over 1990 served... Article 25303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How threatened is our environment? Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 2000 08:33:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25303 As a hobbyist who gives presentations to school children, I am often asked how real is the danger to the environment (not enough honeybees left to pollinize flowers/crops, etc.)? How serious is this decline of honeybees? From reading the various magazines and books, I get a large range of views from "threatening", to extremely serious ("crisis"), to "endangered" (meaning things are ok but we could use help). I am further asked if there are any wild (feral) bees left? What I have read and been told is that all such honeybees have been wiped out, except for the few that are "out there" having swarmed from beekeepers and they won't last but a year or two without treatment. Is this correct from your observation/experience? One last question--it is my understanding that varola mites only infect honeybees--not wasps, hornets, mason bees, bumblebees, or yellowjackets. What about so-termed "killer bees"? I appreciate all the nice replies I've had to previous questions--you are sure a nice bunch of people out there..... Thanks for or swlerola miteslesshjnecametbim ilenate ize seflowers, etc. not pollenizahd Article 25304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Changing sizes of frames on the bees during a move Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 2000 08:38:07 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000601043807.29381.00001093@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25304 I have a new nuc of bees and don't have a large standard size brood chamber, and frankly, don't want another. Is there any method of getting the bees to move into a Western super (much smaller than the large size) and still not sacrificing the large numbers of brood on those frames in the nuc? Right now, I've had the nuc sitting on top of a Western, and then put a cut (partial) cover over the rest of the Western thinking that the bees would then move down for more activity (including the queen coming down and over to lay)--after three weeks, not much success. Now I'm thinking of simply moving the frames to another hive, and dusting off the bees onto an old, drawn Western and then feeding them for a few weeks. What do you think? Thanks. Article 25305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Uniting Colonies ?? Lines: 4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 2000 08:42:29 GMT References: <392C9E7F.7F23FABC@cornell.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000601044229.29381.00001094@ng-fd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25305 I've always been told that, when reuniting colonies, the queen on the top will come out the winner..... Article 25306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-west.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joeblow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Much How Fast (Hive Development) Message-ID: References: <8h177e$qmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: joeblow X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 46 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2000 05:48:24 EDT Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2000 05:52:17 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25306 In article <8h177e$qmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com says... > Doing my first hive and curious how much they should have done > > I am in New England and it is 25 days since the install... > > In the hive about half the frames have some type of comb, 3 have pretty > substantial comb built and about three sides of those have brood and > pollen in them. Bees are flying most days and appear pretty active. > > Questions: > 1.Anyway here is my question...does that sound about right for 25 days > into this? > 2. Related to the above, I have been unable to see the queen although I > see brood. The hive looked about the same today as it did a week and 2 > days ago. > > > Thanks, > > Ron Ellis > > FYI :amount of brood in there looks about the same as when I looked a > week and 2 days ago, and I was unable to see any eggs on any of the > frames (although they were pretty crowded with bees and I did not > disturb them). I did see a bee born/crawl out of the brood though which > was neat... > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. > Ron, You will notice that as the weather warms up the bees will build better comb and will build it faster. In cool weather they don't produce as much wax and this will slow down thier comb building. It has been 60 to 65 degrees up there by you lately maybe some days getting to 70 that is warm enough for them to get the hive started but wait till you hit 80 or so, the comb building will take off. Keep a log of what you do every time you go to the hive. I keep mine in a word document with the icon on my desk top. I'll bet you are having a ball... Buzz Article 25307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Grooming assay? Anyone have a methodology? Date: 2 Jun 2000 11:20:53 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8h8jcl$osa$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25307 Hello Folks. Does anyone have or know of (i.e. have a citation for) a field assay to determine if hives groom for varroa mites? In testing hives for mite grooming in 1995, I found all hives groom for mites somewhat. What is the difference between normal grooming and grooming that depletes the mite population, thus making grooming a phenotypic characteristic that could possibly be selected for? Anyone have any thoughts? Adam (note: this was also mailed to bee-l). -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honeybees & Cotton Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 15:21:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8h8je1$pf4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3933FEEB.8A6AC10C@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.32.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 02 15:21:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x62.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.32.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25308 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote: >Is there a benefit to the farmer to >have honeybees foraging on his cotton? Would this increase cotton >yields? > > Billy Y. Smart II ******************************************************** Howdy Billy -- I'm glad John referred you to the McGregor pollination book. I hope you can get access to it, even though it is out of print. Briefly, he concludes that cotton is mostly self pollinating, bees do increase the yield. Farmers are generally cooperative in handling whatever spraying is necessary if you inform them. In 1940 I placed 8 colonies in the Red River vallely near Texarkana. They were split into 15 colonies the next spring and I extracted 1,500 pounds of honey from them in the fall. No trouble, but this was before the advent of DDT. The cotton honey was very light in color and very mild in taste, but sold well. Good luck. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.8.70!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3937E173.BB8A739C@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Interpreting a sticky board test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:31:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 959963507 24.91.48.64 (Fri, 02 Jun 2000 12:31:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 12:31:47 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25309 Hi, I did a 48-hour test with Phero-Tech sticky board varroa trap in one of my hives (2 deeps, relatively full of bees). I counted about 130 mites. I did the same test in March and counted 3, so did not put in Apistan. This is in Massachusetts, US. Questions: 1. Am I in real trouble here? 2. I have 3 other hives in this yard (one is a recent split and has Apistan in it) - are they likely to be in trouble too? I ordered more sticky boards to test with, but they're not here yet. 3. Has anyone tried formic acid gel - what results did you have? Thanks, -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8KRZ4.1878$ip.95254@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 41 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:33:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 959970787 12.72.203.20 (Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:33:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 18:33:07 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25310 Yes, it is too early. Based on the dates you provide, figure she was about 2 days old when you saw her on the 25th so she should be going on her mating flights about now. Was this a package or nuc started late this year? I wonder why you are feeding this late. This could have contributed to their swarming as it will stimulate the queen to lay prodigiously. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Chris Bjelica" wrote in message news:8KRZ4.1878$ip.95254@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net... > My one and only hive swarmed on me on May 15th and the swarm escaped never > to be seen again. 2 days later, I opened up the hive and found some queen > cells. About one week after that (May 25th), I checked on them again and > found a new queen. Today, another week after spotting the new queen, I see > she is still there but see no signs of egg laying. One thing I have noticed > is that the colony is going through much more sugar water than they had > before (a quart per day as opposed to a quart every 3 or 4 days). > > I live in N.E. Ohio and it's been hot and humid lately. In the 80's. > > Is it too early for me to expect her to have mated and started laying eggs? > > Thanks, > Chris B. > cbjelica@gte.net > > > Article 25311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <8KRZ4.1878$ip.95254@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: /wLwTfqlE49Ve7smRwU7X0i+HYfqIYYxHsS5cfydfNEsbcvziQw4qXniZJMpAvRnt/W9ZtbUB2Gd!DsCCoqHaZMvGsFB2i+ngBEqzycVqBuUzdyvy1ccxtngqzwY8iaflzpe8r/OIHnf0jqYQmXnB1f8C!8MBUCQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:59:48 GMT Distribution: world Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 16:59:48 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25311 My one and only hive swarmed on me on May 15th and the swarm escaped never to be seen again. 2 days later, I opened up the hive and found some queen cells. About one week after that (May 25th), I checked on them again and found a new queen. Today, another week after spotting the new queen, I see she is still there but see no signs of egg laying. One thing I have noticed is that the colony is going through much more sugar water than they had before (a quart per day as opposed to a quart every 3 or 4 days). I live in N.E. Ohio and it's been hot and humid lately. In the 80's. Is it too early for me to expect her to have mated and started laying eggs? Thanks, Chris B. cbjelica@gte.net Article 25312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.news.luth.se!luth.se!newsfeed.direct.ca!wn4feed!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees and Fungicides Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 14:22:58 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 31 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust148.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8h94gd$d9u$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust148.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25312 We're told that growers will be wanting to spray one or several of the following on canola crops that are in almost full bloom where we will have bees. I have the blue book pages but see *nothing* mentioned about bees. I have heard bad things about fungicides and bees. Has anyone here any experience with the following chemicals? Benlate Bravo 500 Ronilan EG Rovral Tatoo C I am told that the first four are pretty well harmless to bees. If so, which fungicides have I heard all the bad things about? Thanks in advance. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Over 2100 served Article 25313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Uniting Colonies ?? Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:52:36 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 11 Message-ID: <8h9fcq$rk5$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <392C9E7F.7F23FABC@cornell.edu> <20000601044229.29381.00001094@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-227.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 959987930 28293 62.136.18.227 (2 Jun 2000 23:18:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2000 23:18:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25313 ...and you believed it? "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000601044229.29381.00001094@ng-fd1.aol.com... > I've always been told that, when reuniting colonies, the queen on the top will > come out the winner..... > > Article 25314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 23:52:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 49 Message-ID: <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-227.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 959987929 28293 62.136.18.227 (2 Jun 2000 23:18:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2000 23:18:49 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25314 They are dead I am afraid. You do not say how you were feeding them, but if it was very cold then you would need to get the feed right to the cluster using something like a contact feeder. "joeblow" wrote in message news:MPG.13a000c670f6bd3f989682@news1.usenetserver.com... > In article <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com says... > > Hi there, > > > > I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > > package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > > above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > > in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > > question but I couldn't find any answers in the > > books I have or on the web... > > > > Stupid question - here it is > > > > I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > > they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > > cold). In any case I am not sure they are > > alive... checked them today (nice and warm > > finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > > in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > > frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > > says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > > but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > > Starved? What do you think? > > > > Thanks > > > > Ron E. > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy. > > > Hi, > I don't want to alarm you but I had this experience too. If it reaches 65 > to 70 degrees bees should look like live bees. If they look slow and > listless kind of shivering, I would suspect some kind of poisening. The > chemical Sevin that some folks use will make your bees look frozen. Buzz > > Article 25315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news.csl-gmbh.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:13:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 59 Message-ID: <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-227.potassium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 959987931 28293 62.136.18.227 (2 Jun 2000 23:18:51 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2000 23:18:51 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25315 Local view from UK Midlands: Plenty of bees, but only because there are beekeepers treating them; without treatment there would probably be none. Define feral! If we take it as 'wild' colonies that have not originated as a swarm from a beekeepers hive (not sure how you would prove that!) then I think it unlikely that any have survived - all those that I knew have died. However, the sites will be re-inhabited with swarms from treated hives, so it is likely that we will have a constant turnover of 'feral' colonies as they die out and the sites are re-inhabited. The important point is that without beekeepers there would certainly be very few bees and it is worrying that the numbers of beekeepers has declined dramatically since the onset of varroa; we are down to a core of experienced beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa. My understanding is that 'killer bees' have a shorter brood cycle and are therefore coping with varroa better - although, fortunately, I have no experience of them! "LKLarson1" wrote in message news:20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com... > As a hobbyist who gives presentations to school children, I am often asked how > real is the danger to the environment (not enough honeybees left to pollinize > flowers/crops, etc.)? How serious is this decline of honeybees? From reading > the various magazines and books, I get a large range of views from > "threatening", to extremely serious ("crisis"), to "endangered" (meaning things > are ok but we could use help). > > I am further asked if there are any wild (feral) bees left? What I have read > and been told is that all such honeybees have been wiped out, except for the > few that are "out there" having swarmed from beekeepers and they won't last but > a year or two without treatment. Is this correct from your > observation/experience? > > One last question--it is my understanding that varola mites only infect > honeybees--not wasps, hornets, mason bees, bumblebees, or yellowjackets. What > about so-termed "killer bees"? > > I appreciate all the nice replies I've had to previous questions--you are sure > a nice bunch of people out there..... > > > Thanks for or swlerola miteslesshjnecametbim ilenate ize seflowers, etc. not > pollenizahd Article 25316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: General New Queen Questions Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 2000 23:42:26 GMT References: <39382213.EE00A587@uidaho.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000602194226.08096.00001193@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25316 Everything goes better with feed try 1-1 sugar syrup. Provide more details for better answers Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Javier Soto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groWeb - Actualización Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:30:45 +0200 Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.76.176 Message-ID: <39384449_4@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 3 Jun 2000 01:33:29 +0100, 195.5.76.176 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.76.176 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25317 Estimado/a @migo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería, ha sido actualizada el 3 de Junio del 2000. 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Article 25318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: General New Queen Questions Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:07:31 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 8 Message-ID: <39382213.EE00A587@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959980538 1594 129.101.81.41 (2 Jun 2000 21:15:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2000 21:15:38 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25318 Have a few queen questions: There is a new queen in the hive but there are no eggs or capped brood whatsoever. What do i do? I suspect she is about 2 to 3 weeks old. Do i feed? How do i know if she is a virgin? I assume that i just should check back in a week and see if she is laying. Should i be worried? thanks matthew Article 25319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.crhc.uiuc.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!hardy.tc.umn.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: making sticky board and screen?? Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 14:39:15 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 5 Message-ID: <39382983.F5F6DB7D@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 959982442 2430 129.101.81.41 (2 Jun 2000 21:47:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2000 21:47:22 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25319 has anyone done this? what size screen do i want? What did you use for sticky stuff? Thanks Matthew Article 25320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: bosaiya@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Which type of pollen trap do you prefer? Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 01:22:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8h9mk7$k44$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.39.146.25 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 03 01:22:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.39.146.25 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDbosaiya Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25320 Stupid machine crashed right as I was posting this last time so apologies if it duplicates. I'm wondering what type of pollen traps people prefer and why. Something that I could remove as needed seems nice, but I don't know if that's really important or not (again, any advice would be great). It seems like something that could be moved from hive to hive as needed would also be nice. Any ideas would be swell. Regards, Bosaiya .....designs to knock you out..... http://www.knockoutproductions.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Would like info please Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 2000 06:02:35 GMT References: <392343a8.11171209@news.nuthinbutnews.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000602020235.15503.00000234@ng-cp1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25321 I've found the magazines "Bee Culture" and "American Bee Journal" invaluable. And, for me, the best book(besides the classic "Hive and the Honeybee") as John Vivian's KEEPING BEES. Best to you. Lee Article 25322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3937F7BE.D28B675B@flash.net> From: Joe Esposito X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newbie Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 37 Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 11:07:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.179.164.235 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 960030437 199.179.164.235 (Sat, 03 Jun 2000 06:07:17 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 06:07:17 CDT Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25322 Sorry for bending your ears, but I had to tell someone who can relate to this. Well, my first year at beekeeping has not yet been a disaster. I joined the Cook-Dupage Beekeepers Club in northern Illinois, took a one-day course at McHenry College, bought two complete hives, each with two brood supers and two 6" supers. I installed my two 2-lb packages late April with just a brood box, minus one frame. On top of that I placed the inner cover, then a 6" super with a 3-gallon rubbermaid tub inside of it filled with sugar syrup. I put spacers between the cover and the tub so the bees could get thru the hole in the cover. I lined the tub with aluminum gutter gaurd so the bees could climb out. The packages arrived in a very healthy state and the bees didn't seem to mind me at all. But I kept them well smoked and well sprayed with sugar syrup while I was working. What a sticky mess! But no stings. I suppose I'm guilty of neglect, because I couldn't get back out there till 5 weeks later. The bees were still there and in a very good mood. I took that to mean I have a well-bred, laying queen in each hive, but I didn't go looking for her. The bees in each hive had filled the missing frame space with comb so I left it that way. I guess I should have installed the last frame much sooner. The sugar syrup was about half consumed. There were maybe 20 dead bees in each tub. The syrup had started to mold, so I removed it and left the half-filled tubs just outside the hives. The bees seemed to be ignoring the wax foundation frames I had given them, but I didn't remove any to check further. I did install a second brood box on each hive anyway. I removed a frame from each one because I didn't want to scrape off the comb they had attatched to the underside of the inner cover. The bees seemed too much to be loving it. The cells seemed to be filled with nectar. Also, they had built comb around the apistan strips, so I couldn't even find them. I don't expect any surplus this year anyway. I removed the formic acid packs. They didn't seem to have touched the brown patties I left for them. (I forgot already what they're called) So I left, once again with no stings. Now, tell me everything I did wrong. I can take it. Article 25323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!feeder.qis.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.gctr.net!news.frontiernet.net!not-for-mail From: "busybee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 07:16:22 -0500 Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc. Lines: 82 Message-ID: <8hasps$ed6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-130-165-35.nas1.lec.gblx.net X-Trace: node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net 960034428 14758 209.130.165.35 (3 Jun 2000 12:13:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@frontiernet.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2000 12:13:48 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25323 ...and with ridiculously low honey prices, how can keepers stay in business? No beekeepers=no bees=less food pollination=higher food prices at the grocery store. This is not an easy business--if your not fighting tooth and nail against varroa, hive beetles, lobbying for anti-dumping, insectide spray offs, bears, africanized bees, sore backs, stings and the list goes on and on, just to make a decent buck while jumping through hoops with ever higher fuel, trucking, insurance, Honey Board Assessments, the list goes on and on, ever dependent on weather conditions, equipment dependabilty/breakdowns, maintainence of equipment, the list goes on and on and then "someone" pulls the rug from beneath you with .52 honey! And then there are taxes! Gee, I guess you can squeeze blood from a turnip! Otherwise I don't believe their is a treat to our environment, as long as there are beekeepers...my rant...I feel better now. --Busybee (who is seriously thinking of getting a "city" job) Peter Edwards wrote in message <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >Local view from UK Midlands: > >Plenty of bees, but only because there are beekeepers treating them; >without treatment there would probably be none. > >Define feral! If we take it as 'wild' colonies that have not originated as >a swarm from a beekeepers hive (not sure how you would prove that!) then I >think it unlikely that any have survived - all those that I knew have died. >However, the sites will be re-inhabited with swarms from treated hives, so >it is likely that we will have a constant turnover of 'feral' colonies as >they die out and the sites are re-inhabited. > >The important point is that without beekeepers there would certainly be >very few bees and it is worrying that the numbers of beekeepers has declined >dramatically since the onset of varroa; we are down to a core of experienced >beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa. > >My understanding is that 'killer bees' have a shorter brood cycle and are >therefore coping with varroa better - although, fortunately, I have no >experience of them! > > >"LKLarson1" wrote in message >news:20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com... >> As a hobbyist who gives presentations to school children, I am often asked >how >> real is the danger to the environment (not enough honeybees left to >pollinize >> flowers/crops, etc.)? How serious is this decline of honeybees? From >reading >> the various magazines and books, I get a large range of views from >> "threatening", to extremely serious ("crisis"), to "endangered" (meaning >things >> are ok but we could use help). >> >> I am further asked if there are any wild (feral) bees left? What I have >read >> and been told is that all such honeybees have been wiped out, except for >the >> few that are "out there" having swarmed from beekeepers and they won't >last but >> a year or two without treatment. Is this correct from your >> observation/experience? >> >> One last question--it is my understanding that varola mites only infect >> honeybees--not wasps, hornets, mason bees, bumblebees, or yellowjackets. >What >> about so-termed "killer bees"? >> >> I appreciate all the nice replies I've had to previous questions--you are >sure >> a nice bunch of people out there..... >> >> >> Thanks for or swlerola miteslesshjnecametbim ilenate ize seflowers, etc. >not >> pollenizahd > > Article 25324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Hirons Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:13:11 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <39391277.93DBC623@btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host62-7-113-125.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25324 Theres a Club on Excite.Com called Beekeeping UK thats open really to anyone interested in Beekeeping. It could do with a few hobbyists putting up a few notes, pictures and a bit of input. To find it just look up www.excite.com and click on clubs. You can put anything up there and Beekeeping stories are especially welcome. Article 25325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Chris Bjelica" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8KRZ4.1878$ip.95254@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3115.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: <9n9_4.1930$062.59863@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> X-Trace: /KiKeToHBlFROR2KNt3/ZnsruFKSUJr9LGhfCNtjQ1DohEWxkMwwxUFP05OHyrl1Xj3JusY7jcz1!SEA46pZMqB4wzp8eUv+4HCQGiQ/CQ2VyHYBoN2WDO2r1iW65JyT87nUm/Z9t2i5wu9qqlWc5G6a6!ZC64Aw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@gte.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:20:37 GMT Distribution: world Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:20:37 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25325 George Styer wrote in message ... >Yes, it is too early. Based on the dates you provide, figure she was about 2 >days old when you saw her on the 25th so she should be going on her mating >flights about now. > >Was this a package or nuc started late this year? I wonder why you are >feeding this late. This could have contributed to their swarming as it will >stimulate the queen to lay prodigiously. It was a nuc started in mid-April. I thought that I was supposed to keep a feeder on unless I put honey supers on (not sure where I heard or read that). And I thought that I wanted the queen to lay as much as possible. Article 25326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 2000 18:17:44 GMT References: <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000603141744.12023.00001127@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25326 Peter wrote: I disagree. It seems that there is a new generation taking up beekeeping here in America, mostly hobbyists, who take varroa as a given, shrug it off and accept it as part of the background noise of beekeeping. For these people, varroa is "part of the way beekeeping has always been." Article 25327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Javier Soto" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: @groForo, el Foro Hispano de Agricultura y Ganaderia Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:08:05 +0200 Lines: 14 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.5.79.57 Message-ID: <39396575$1_2@news.arrakis.es> X-Trace: 3 Jun 2000 22:07:17 +0100, 195.5.79.57 Organization: Arrakis Servicios y Comunicaciones SLU Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.belnet.be!naxos.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ttd.net!caladan.arrakis.es!195.5.79.57 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25327 Estimado/a Amigo/a: @groWeb, la página Hispana de Agricultura y Ganadería. http://www.agroweb-hispana.com con el fin de facilitar y agilizar los vinculos entre las personas de habla hispana y que nos relacionamos con la Agricultura y Ganadería, acaba de crear @groForo Una lista de correo abierta a todas las personas que tengan inquietudes en el mundo Agrícola y Ganadero y deseen utilizar Internet para poder comunicarse con personas con similares inquietudes. Article 25328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How Much How Fast (Hive Development) Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:42:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <8hc1jv$4rd$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8h177e$qmo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 03 22:42:09 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25328 Thanks for the info...much appreciated. Are you up North as well? I was a little worried based on what the books said should be happening, but the queen has been laying and they have been flying in and out so I figured they must know what they are doing and I should just go with it. I have been having fun sitting next to the hive and watching them fly in and out on sunny days...also have a guy in western nh making me a nuc so I can get a second def healthy hive going as well... Ron In article , joeblow wrote: > Ron, > You will notice that as the weather warms up the bees will build better > comb and will build it faster. In cool weather they don't produce as much > wax and this will slow down thier comb building. It has been 60 to 65 > degrees up there by you lately maybe some days getting to 70 that is warm > enough for them to get the hive started but wait till you hit 80 or so, > the comb building will take off. Keep a log of what you do every time you > go to the hive. I keep mine in a word document with the icon on my desk > top. I'll bet you are having a ball... Buzz > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:59:34 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 72 Message-ID: <8hc2kh$5i9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 03 22:59:34 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25329 Hi Peter, Curious..how do you feed right to the hive and what is a contact feeder? (It gets cold enough around here that this is prob something I should know)...also when would I use a division feeder vs. the entrance feeder... Thanks, Ron In article <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, "Peter Edwards" wrote: > They are dead I am afraid. > > You do not say how you were feeding them, but if it was very cold then you > would need to get the feed right to the cluster using something like a > contact feeder. > > "joeblow" wrote in message > news:MPG.13a000c670f6bd3f989682@news1.usenetserver.com... > > In article <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com says... > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > > > package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > > > above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > > > in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > > > question but I couldn't find any answers in the > > > books I have or on the web... > > > > > > Stupid question - here it is > > > > > > I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > > > they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > > > cold). In any case I am not sure they are > > > alive... checked them today (nice and warm > > > finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > > > in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > > > frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > > > says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > > > but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > > > Starved? What do you think? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Ron E. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > Before you buy. > > > > > Hi, > > I don't want to alarm you but I had this experience too. If it reaches 65 > > to 70 degrees bees should look like live bees. If they look slow and > > listless kind of shivering, I would suspect some kind of poisening. The > > chemical Sevin that some folks use will make your bees look frozen. Buzz > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Light, Heat and Location Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:56:14 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8hc2e9$5ae$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 03 22:56:14 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x52.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25330 Have my hive in New England, and have some questions about location type stuff. My hive location has plenty of sun, but not all day long, and not as much all morning (it did until the leaves grew in)...is sun most important for: 1. heating up the hive (sun hits the hive and heats it up, gets the bees going) 2. light so bees get going (light goes in entrance and tells them it is a good day and gets them going). Just curious...(if it is heat my hive is prob ok, it it is light then I can angle it a little better to let the first mornign light in the entrance...confused) Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!dc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gfdavis@usit.net" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Light, Heat and Location Message-ID: <3939a371.16746931@news.usit.net> References: <8hc2e9$5ae$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Lines: 32 Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 00:37:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.168.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 960079089 216.80.168.203 (Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:38:09 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 20:38:09 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25331 I think your fine. I have mine in the woods and they have done fine and this is a natural setting if you think about it. If they were to swarm or were wild bee's they would be located in the woods most likely. They say to face them east toward the rising sun so as to get them up and going in the mornings. I have eleven hives and they face north and south switching every other hive. GD Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:56:14 GMT, rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: >Have my hive in New England, and have some questions about location >type stuff. > >My hive location has plenty of sun, but not all day long, and not as >much all morning (it did until the leaves grew in)...is sun most >important for: > >1. heating up the hive (sun hits the hive and heats it up, gets the >bees going) >2. light so bees get going (light goes in entrance and tells them it is >a good day and gets them going). > >Just curious...(if it is heat my hive is prob ok, it it is light then I >can angle it a little better to let the first mornign light in the >entrance...confused) > > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy. Article 25332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hasps$ed6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Lines: 127 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:33:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.107.103 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 960086006 12.73.107.103 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:33:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:33:26 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25332 As a hobbyist (7 hives) and a CPA here in Washington state. I given the plight of a commercial beekeeper some thought. Beekeeping is like any other farm business. It is labor (especially yours) and capital intensive, has low margins and very dependent upon the weather. Honey has become even more of a commodity and without an effective lobby (like wheat or apples) the price it brings will fall to that of the lowest, most likely foreign, producer, too low to sustain a business here in the U.S. How to survive in business when you produce a fungible product whose demand is static? Good question! Among my thoughts, which others have suggested, is that for the commercial bk, the production of honey has become a serious drag on the real business of crop pollination. What to do? Try to find the least expensive method to dispose of it or create a niche market, along with its costs, for the particular type of honey you produce. Whatever you do, turn the honey, as efficiently as possible, into cash as soon as possible. Organize locally - perhaps form a local cooperative. Share equipment, share other resources. BKs are notoriously independent which can and often does create friction among the very people who need to work together to survive. From the finding and keeping of pollination clientele to the treatment for disease bks often work at odds with one another - its simply counter-productive. Practices that may have worked well in the past, i.e., undercutting bids, unprofessional comments about competitors, etc. only work to the groups detriment and should be abandoned. A tall order I know. The group could commission a formal study of the local and surrounding markets for crop pollination. Develop realistic cost and revenue assumptions, i.e., take a true business approach to the business. Too much already, enough said. Howard Bowles, CPA (WA) For replies, remove 'nospam' from address. busybee wrote in message <8hasps$ed6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>... >...and with ridiculously low honey prices, how can keepers stay in business? >No beekeepers=no bees=less food pollination=higher food prices at the >grocery store. This is not an easy business--if your not fighting tooth and >nail against varroa, hive beetles, lobbying for anti-dumping, insectide >spray offs, bears, africanized bees, sore backs, stings and the list goes >on and on, just to make a decent buck while jumping through hoops with ever >higher fuel, trucking, insurance, Honey Board Assessments, the list goes on >and on, ever dependent on weather conditions, equipment >dependabilty/breakdowns, maintainence of equipment, the list goes on and on >and then "someone" pulls the rug from beneath you with .52 honey! And then >there are taxes! Gee, I guess you can squeeze blood from a turnip! > >Otherwise I don't believe their is a treat to our environment, as long as >there are beekeepers...my rant...I feel better now. > >--Busybee (who is seriously thinking of getting a "city" job) > >Peter Edwards wrote in message <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>... >>Local view from UK Midlands: >> >>Plenty of bees, but only because there are beekeepers treating them; >>without treatment there would probably be none. >> >>Define feral! If we take it as 'wild' colonies that have not originated as >>a swarm from a beekeepers hive (not sure how you would prove that!) then I >>think it unlikely that any have survived - all those that I knew have died. >>However, the sites will be re-inhabited with swarms from treated hives, so >>it is likely that we will have a constant turnover of 'feral' colonies as >>they die out and the sites are re-inhabited. >> >>The important point is that without beekeepers there would certainly be >>very few bees and it is worrying that the numbers of beekeepers has >declined >>dramatically since the onset of varroa; we are down to a core of >experienced >>beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa. >> >>My understanding is that 'killer bees' have a shorter brood cycle and are >>therefore coping with varroa better - although, fortunately, I have no >>experience of them! >> >> >>"LKLarson1" wrote in message >>news:20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com... >>> As a hobbyist who gives presentations to school children, I am often >asked >>how >>> real is the danger to the environment (not enough honeybees left to >>pollinize >>> flowers/crops, etc.)? How serious is this decline of honeybees? From >>reading >>> the various magazines and books, I get a large range of views from >>> "threatening", to extremely serious ("crisis"), to "endangered" (meaning >>things >>> are ok but we could use help). >>> >>> I am further asked if there are any wild (feral) bees left? What I have >>read >>> and been told is that all such honeybees have been wiped out, except for >>the >>> few that are "out there" having swarmed from beekeepers and they won't >>last but >>> a year or two without treatment. Is this correct from your >>> observation/experience? >>> >>> One last question--it is my understanding that varola mites only infect >>> honeybees--not wasps, hornets, mason bees, bumblebees, or yellowjackets. >>What >>> about so-termed "killer bees"? >>> >>> I appreciate all the nice replies I've had to previous questions--you are >>sure >>> a nice bunch of people out there..... >>> >>> >>> Thanks for or swlerola miteslesshjnecametbim ilenate ize seflowers, etc. >>not >>> pollenizahd >> >> > > Article 25333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <200006040303.XAA25270@cotse.com> From: "Anon" Subject: cancel this Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Organization: Cotse X-Anon-1: This is a pseudo-anonymous message, the sender cannot be verified. X-Anon-2: It did not originate from any address listed in the message. X-Abuse-to: abuse@cotse.com X-Comments: Anonymous mail2news gate web interface - http://packetderm.cotse.com/anonnews.htm. 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Article 25334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8KRZ4.1878$ip.95254@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> <9n9_4.1930$062.59863@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net> Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 47 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <0Kj_4.2314$2b4.147702@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 03:07:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.205.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 960088060 12.72.205.98 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 03:07:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 03:07:40 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25334 A nuc "shouldn't" swarm in 2 months. A likely combination of things contributed to it. My thoughts would be: 1. old queen 2. stimulated by feed 3. congested with nowhere to store syrup and the queen to lay Not sure where you are located, but perhaps you should have added a 2nd brood chamber sooner. Be patient and wait for the new queen to lay and add another brood chamber when she does. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Chris Bjelica" wrote in message news:9n9_4.1930$062.59863@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net... > > George Styer wrote in message ... > >Yes, it is too early. Based on the dates you provide, figure she was about > 2 > >days old when you saw her on the 25th so she should be going on her mating > >flights about now. > > > >Was this a package or nuc started late this year? I wonder why you are > >feeding this late. This could have contributed to their swarming as it will > >stimulate the queen to lay prodigiously. > > > It was a nuc started in mid-April. > > I thought that I was supposed to keep a feeder on unless I put honey > supers on (not sure where I heard or read that). And I thought that I > wanted the queen to lay as much as possible. > > > > Article 25335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa and Tracheal Mites--Inherited Resistance Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 03:38:13 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.129.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 960107511 216.80.129.239 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 04:31:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 04:31:51 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25335 FYI, I recently received this e-mail from a USDA entomologist regarding inheritance of Varroa and Tracheal Mite resistance traits: >How resistant to varroa are Russian outcrosses? "I think it depends on the outcross. Some are and some are not at all resistant." >Is resistance dominant in half-breeds? "No, in the best case the out crosses would be somewhat resistant. But, I know of at least one cross where the domestic susceptability is dominant." >I ordered open-mated, full blooded Russian queens this spring. So far, I am very pleased with the results. Bees that get mites on them vibrate and jump around until they get attention from the others. "That is good. It suggests that they may be at least somewhat resistant." >In your opinion, what races of bees are the most resistant to tracheal mites? "The darker bees from northern Europe generally are more resistant to tracheal mites. However, many US bee breeders are trying to improve thier stocks for tracheal mite resistance. The genetics are rather simple for tm resistance, so those that try to improve their stock can do so rather easily. " -- Ed http://www.geocites.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ Article 25336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <393A3622.96B3483E@zzclinic.net> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 06:57:38 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: JMitc1014 Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? References: <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <20000603141744.12023.00001127@ng-fy1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d-p2-38.clinic.net X-Trace: 4 Jun 2000 05:57:07 -0400, d-p2-38.clinic.net Lines: 23 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!News.Destek.net!d-p2-38.clinic.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25336 JMitc1014 wrote: > > Peter wrote: > beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa.> > > I disagree. > It seems that there is a new generation taking up beekeeping here in America, > mostly hobbyists, who take varroa as a given, shrug it off and accept it as > part of the background noise of beekeeping. For these people, varroa is "part > of the way beekeeping has always been." I agree for most who had few hives- and few could be as many as 50. At our State beekeepers meetings I have noticed a gradual transition from the old timers to new beekeepers. The old timers- not old beekeepers- stayed with the tried and true and lost everything. The new ones took mites as a given and treated from day one. Plus, our beekeeping schools are thriving. Lots of gardeners and fruit growers want to have pollinators- the reason I started keeping bees. Bill T Bath, ME -- If there is a zz before clinic.net, remove it to reply directly. Article 25337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:42:47 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <393a3243.62355968@news1.radix.net> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25337 On 01 Jun 2000 08:33:15 GMT, lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) wrote: >As a hobbyist who gives presentations to school children, I am often asked how >real is the danger to the environment (not enough honeybees left to pollinize >flowers/crops, etc.)? How serious is this decline of honeybees? From reading >the various magazines and books, I get a large range of views from >"threatening", to extremely serious ("crisis"), to "endangered" (meaning things >are ok but we could use help). > I think the biggest threat is someone teaching our children made up words like pollinize! beekeep Article 25338 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!netnews.com!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 10:49:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 21 Message-ID: <393a32ed.62526345@news1.radix.net> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hasps$ed6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25338 On Sun, 04 Jun 2000 02:33:26 GMT, "Howard Bowles" wrote: >As a hobbyist (7 hives) and a CPA here in Washington state. I given the >plight of a commercial beekeeper some thought. >Beekeeping is like any other farm business. It is labor (especially yours) >and capital intensive, has low margins and very dependent upon the weather. >Honey has become even more of a commodity and without an effective lobby >(like wheat or apples) the price it brings will fall to that of the lowest, >most likely foreign, producer, too low to sustain a business here in the >U.S. When the Washington state apple crop is harvested they are advertized nationwide and the housewife LOOKS for the Washington label. When's the last time you heard a buy U.S. honey ad on the radio? Our own National Honey Board doesn't even advocate U.S. honey! Until the housewife is convinced to look for the "produced" in the U.S. label sales will be stale. Greg the beekeep Article 25339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive in a tree Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 2000 12:17:56 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000604081756.06462.00000536@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25339 I'm a new beekeeper been doing it a little over a year, I have 5 hives in CT last friday we had a bad storm and a big oak tree fell not far from me there is a huge honey bee hive in the trunk, the trunk split wide open you can see all the comb all the bees there is loads of old comb and new comb, The people want to save the bees and so do I they said that as long as they lived there ther was a hive in that tree (30 years) How can I get this into a hive body? .... I don't know if the queen made it through the fall, I'll probly get the heck stung out of me but I think it is worth, they must be a good wintering bee stock and I would love to get the bees out of there plus the experance of doing something like this I would love to hear any coments of what you would do. Thanks Jim Article 25340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa and Tracheal Mites--Inherited Resistance Date: 4 Jun 2000 08:39:47 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8hdimj$du3$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25340 Remember: the basis of any desirable trait in a line, strain, breed. landrace, c.v., variety, ecotype, whatever, is the availability of a tangible factor to select for. Ask any apicultural researcher what causes suceptability to varroa mites or tracheal mites and they'll look sheepish. They do not know. Bee breeders who have had success, use selection to work for them. For example, in the H.I.P. project (see metalab.unc.edu/bees --> click on pointers) breeders and beekeepers have selected lines of bees that have survived without any treatment in heavily infested areas of varroa mite. They do not know exactly why the bees survive, but they do. Same with tracheal mites. There are a few good papers on why certain strains of honey bees might be more resistant to varroa: one paper looks at the way the bee's mandible is shaped, and how it is more efficient in cutting mite's body parts. This is research that can be very useful to a bee breeder: now how can a test be devised to determine if one's bees have sharp or dull mandibles without spending days actually looking at bees with visual enhancing apparatus? Another series of papers illustrates how bees can be selected for an "anti-varroa" factor and how this is heritable (able to be passed on to offspring). The research doesn't explicate how the bees deal with the mites, just that they do and how to select for the bees that do. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: H.I.P. project's URL Date: 4 Jun 2000 08:49:09 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8hdj85$ee9$1@saltmine.radix.net> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25341 Here's the url to the H.I.P. project: http://Griffes.tripod.com/HIP1.html -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive in a tree Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 15:30:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <393a7329.78970725@news1.radix.net> References: <20000604081756.06462.00000536@ng-cq1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25342 On 04 Jun 2000 12:17:56 GMT, jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) wrote: >I'm a new beekeeper been doing it a little over a year, I have 5 hives in CT >last friday we had a bad storm and a big oak tree fell not far from me there is >a huge honey bee hive in the trunk, the trunk split wide open you can see all >the comb all the bees there is loads of old comb and new comb, The people want >to save the bees and so do I they said that as long as they lived there ther >was a hive in that tree (30 years) How can I get this into a hive body? .... >I don't know if the queen made it through the fall, I'll probly get the heck >stung out of me but I think it is worth, they must be a good wintering bee >stock and I would love to get the bees out of there plus the experance of doing >something like this I would love to hear any coments of what you would do. >Thanks Jim Actually, it has been my experience that the bees tollerate being handled after such an event fairly calmly. I was asked to pick up a hive that had been tossed by a tornado and didn't really need a veil. Somehow they know when they are being helped! Take regular hive bodies with frames but no foundation, a bottom board, inner cover, and a top. A box or rubber bands or string is also needed. Carefully cut the combs so that the fit into the frames and hold them in place with the rubberbands. Put each frame in the hive as you go. Before you know it the bees will take over the hive. Concentrate on getting the brood combs with brood not the honey. The bees can transfer the honey. They can't move the brood. Keep shaking the bees into the hive as you work. Many will stay with the brood. After you have done what you can, button up the hive and leave it for a couple of days so that they have time to move the honey and sercure the combs into the frames. I still have brood frames that were obtained this way in use after many years. After a couple of weeks the rubber bands can be cut to be removed. The bees will remove string by themselves. Greg the beekeep Article 25343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2rubes@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two many supers combining. Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 16:29:01 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <8he040$cns$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.146.179 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jun 04 16:29:01 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.224.146.179 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2rubes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25343 Hi, we are three year bee keepers. We came into spring with 4 strong hives of 4 medium supers each. One swarmed which we captured. We took frames with queen cells from that mother hive and made nukes. A few weeks later, when we saw we had 3 laying queens, we divided the other 3 hives and used the queens on half. Some of the hives got very strong where we added a third medium super. With the onset of our blackberry honey flow, we are combining these hives, using the strongest and/or youngest queens, our hives are now 5 supers high, and we are putting on honey supers. My questions 1. How do we get back to 3 supers, which was what I started with? 2.And, do I still have to check for swarm cells? We still found a few (made more nukes) when we were doing the divides. Thank you so much. Janet Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!peernews!peer.cwci.net!news1-hme0.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Geoff Aucklland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:29:55 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.44.205.249 X-Trace: news1-hme0 960139980 195.44.205.249 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:33:00 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:33:00 BST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25344 So how long does it take for the new queen to start to lay? My hives swarmed nearly 4 weeks ago and there is still no sign of brood or eggs despite lots of bees and active foraging. I never can find the queen so the fact that I haven't found her is of no help. -- Geoff Article 25345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: 2rubes@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: making sticky board and screen?? Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 18:34:00 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 141 Message-ID: <8he7eo$hvi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39382983.F5F6DB7D@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.224.146.179 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sun Jun 04 18:34:00 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.224.146.179 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUID2rubes Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25345 In article <39382983.F5F6DB7D@uidaho.edu>, Matthew Pollard wrote: > has anyone done this? what size screen do i want? What did you use for > sticky stuff? > Thanks > Matthew > > Hi, my husband made 6 screens to use in our hives. They are great. He used standard window screen. We got aluminum sheets from our local newspaper, cut them to fit with tabs to pull out of the hive (very important). We coat the aluminum with vegetable oil that we keep in a large green lemon juice squeeze bottle. If we are not counting mites, we clean them once a week with an old sock and apply new vegetable oil. Here is some correspondence with Dadent and our state bee guy that is real interesting. Dadent letters: Hi, I just wanted to make sure. We have the varroa mite screens on our > hives with sticky boards underneath. Of course I lost the instructions > and now I can not even find your catalogue. And now I am counting > mites. I am monitoring 6 hives and the most I have found is 50 mites in > 4 days. > Questions: > 1. I am pretty sure your instructions said something like, you would > have an infestation you would have to treat if you counted 100 mites in > 48 hours (without strips hanging). Is this correct? > 2. I can only see the large brownish red oval mites. What about > immature and so on that I can not really see? Is there something I could > do to calculate them in? Is that important? > 3. I tried doing a grid and count the mites in the grid, but some of > the time I only have one, and a lot of the time I have none. Can I use > this method (so much faster) or would I be risking miscounting? > > Thank you for your time. I am very happy about the screens, I feel it > is wiping out varroa mites, these guys are dead and out of there. Answers 1. yes 2. The immature mites and very small males are inside cells feeding on developing brrod. The lage reddish oval mites are female that are newly emerged. Hard to calculate and quantify the mites not seen. That is why the rule of thumb of x amount in 48 hours has been chosen. 3. If you are only trying to identify the threshold of 100 mites in 48 hours then the grid system with only 6 hives may be misleading. At this time of the year the bees are out reproducing mites. When fall comes and the bee population decreases and the mites doesn't thats when your ratio of mites to bees gets overwhelming. A varroa screen is great but you may want to use drone comb and Formic Acid in late ssummer to stay ahead. Take Care, Jerry Hayes And to Eric Mussen, California > Being our state apiarist, do you agree with this (Dandant's ) guideline? This guideline, as you call it, or an "economic threshold" as pest management specialist would call it, probably is as good as any. The problem is that a colony can handle up to 10,000 mites with little damage or loss of productivity, if the mites are not vectoring RNA virus diseases. If the viruses are around, only a few hundred mites will be devastating. Do your bees or the mites in them have "deformed wing virus?" Your only clue is seeing dead pupae or very young emerged workers that have runty or terribly malformed wings. Their abdomens are likely to be shrunken, too. > I have counted 30-60 mites in 48 hours. I have counted 50-80 mites >after one week. I put Apistan strips in the fall and in early spring >we did not have any mites so I did not use them in the spring. I have >not seen any chewed wings recently and only 2 mites on bees out six >hives Drs. Keith Delaplane and Michael Hood suggest that the economic threshold in the southeastern U.S. is between 59-187 naturally fallen mites, per night, in August, and 0.6-10.2 mites in February. > Yesterday I tried putting Tobacco in my smoker (about 10 >cigarettes). According to what I read, you are supposed to close the >hive for one minute which I didn't do. The bees fled from the smoke. I >will examine the boards for mite drop after 48 hours. There was a special, high-nicotine tobacco product on the market for this purpose, available for Joel Willard Productions, 61 S. Herbert Road, Riverside, IL 60546 [(708) 447-2291] or FAX (708) 447-1158. > My questions are: > Could I make a grid and count the mites in the grid and still be >somewhat accurate? Yes, grids will work fine, but they have to be "fair." One researcher made a grid with one inch squares on it. Using a random numbers generator, she blacked out three-quarters of the squares. She multiplies what she finds in the remaining squares by 4. > I think there are more mites in the center strip >under the brood nest where I can pick up maybe 2 in a 3" grid, but then >a lot of the grids are empty.. I am not sure how to work it. If you know that only certain places are likely to have mites, use that as your "world." Divide it into squares, "randomly" eliminate a significant portion of the squares (don't just pick a bunch, your brain isn't random enough), count the remaining squares and multiply by the appropriate factor. > Also, I have been finding a beige translucent mite. Is that an >immature or do they shed their skins like a molt, do I count those as >well? Only count the dark ones. Immature female mites are lighter in color, but they are doomed, reproductively, so they don't count. The mites do molt as they grow, but the shed skins only show up after the bee emerges from the cell and the workers clean up the cell for the next larva. Eric. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hasps$ed6$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net> <393a32ed.62526345@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Lines: 7 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:34:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.106.79 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 960147240 12.73.106.79 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:34:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 19:34:00 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25346 Yes, I agree. While I have read articles in the bk magazines I am still uncertain just what the Honey board does. Article 25347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: medical propolis Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:26:07 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8hef1a$6jd$2@lure.pipex.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw07.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 960151402 6765 62.188.8.1 (4 Jun 2000 20:43:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 20:43:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25347 Teri Bachus wrote ... for information purposes only..... > Beehive Material Fights Ulcer Bacteria > > SAN DIEGO (Reuters Health) - Propolis, a material used by bees in the > construction and maintenance of their hives, has been a folk remedy used for centuries in > many cultures to fight infections............etc. In recent hospital skin tests I was found to react to propolis which causes me to have cracked and hard skin on the palms of my hands. I have met one or two other beekeepers who have similar problems, which is what made me suggest that propolis and dirty beeswax be included in the substances tested on me. Are there others out there who agree with me that it is a little risky to look on propolis as a wonder folklore cure-all, rather than the varnish component it really is? Hands up all you beekeepers with a skin problem on your hands. Martin. Article 25348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Solar Wax Extractor Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:06:07 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 38 Message-ID: <8hef15$6jd$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <392E79D5.CA6A0E07@mail.which.net> <8grsm4$87b$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdw07.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 960151397 6765 62.188.8.1 (4 Jun 2000 20:43:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 20:43:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25348 Maybe it's hotter here in Milton Keynes, but I had trouble with double glazing units cracking up when the sun was at its best. I found the solution was to use several strips of glass about 20cm wide across the home made wooden frame of the lid of the extractor (use a real window frame with thin rails tacked in to hold the glass loosely) . That way they can all expand and contract at their own rate and you get less breakages, and also it's not a disaster if one cracks - you only have to replace one strip of glass. Another reason in my case is that I am a recycling freak and you can cut strips from any old discarded glass. Cutting glass is a lot easier than most people think, but remember to run another bit of (scrap) glass firmly along the new cut edges to blunt them. Highest temp. recorded in my solar extractor: 119C. As this is a lot too hot for the good of the wax I adapted the foot end of the box to have an outlet. Wax runs out into external temperature collector when it melts and does not sit in the hot box going brown. To tell the truth I mostly just melt old wax on a cooker with rainwater these days as I can do that independent of the weather or season. Martin. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8grsm4$87b$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk... > Sun??? You are an optimist given the weather that we have had just lately. > > Plenty of beekeeping books have drawings of solar extractors, but I would > suggest that you start with the glass. An old sealed double glazing unit is > ideal (often available from double glazing companies) and this will then > determine the final size - get one as large as possible. > > "Mark Johnson" wrote in message > news:392E79D5.CA6A0E07@mail.which.net... > > Hi, does anyone have a plan/instructions for making a solar was > > extractor? .......> > > > Mark Article 25349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:22:53 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 103 Message-ID: <8hensf$ikl$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hc2kh$5i9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-213.fluorine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 960160463 19093 62.136.8.213 (4 Jun 2000 23:14:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 23:14:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25349 In the UK beekeepers mainly use two types of feeder. The first choice for most is the Miller or Ashforth type which looks rather like a shallow super but with a solid bottom. This goes on the top of the hive and holds 2-3 gallons of syrup; there is a slot or hole, either in the centre or at the side, where the bees can come up to feed and there is a 'fence' which stops them drowning in the syrup. This type is good for feeding bees in the autumn ready for winter. However, if the weather is cold, then the bees will not break the cluster to go to the syrup. One way of overcoming this is to use a contact feeder, which is basically a plastic bucket with a tight fitting lid with some fine mesh wire cloth set in the middle of the lid. The bucket is filled with syrup and then inverted over the colony. By placing it on the top bars the bees can feed without having to leave the cluster. Disadvantages are that variations in temperature can cause the feeder to dispense syrup rather faster than the bees can cope with it and you do need an empty super around the bucket to put the roof on. My own preference is for baker's fondant, a mixture of powdered sugar (not icing sugar which has additives) and glucose; it is used by bakers to cover cakes, comes in 12.5kg blocks, and can be used for feeding at any time of the year simply by cutting off a lump and placing it over the colony. Entrance feeders are very rare in the UK; division board feeders are sometimes used in nucleus hives, but would not really be large enough for anything other than a very small colony. wrote in message news:8hc2kh$5i9$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Hi Peter, > > Curious..how do you feed right to the hive and what is a contact > feeder? (It gets cold enough around here that this is prob something I > should know)...also when would I use a division feeder vs. the entrance > feeder... > > Thanks, > > Ron > > In article <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, > "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > They are dead I am afraid. > > > > You do not say how you were feeding them, but if it was very cold > then you > > would need to get the feed right to the cluster using something like a > > contact feeder. > > > > "joeblow" wrote in message > > news:MPG.13a000c670f6bd3f989682@news1.usenetserver.com... > > > In article <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, rec01rec@my-deja.com > says... > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > > > I am a beginner in NH and recently installed some > > > > package bees in this rotten weather (didn't get > > > > above 40 and was rainy for the past 14 days here > > > > in New England) I ahve a probabaly pretty basic > > > > question but I couldn't find any answers in the > > > > books I have or on the web... > > > > > > > > Stupid question - here it is > > > > > > > > I installed the bees about a week ago, noticed > > > > they weren't taking the sugar at all (it was > > > > cold). In any case I am not sure they are > > > > alive... checked them today (nice and warm > > > > finally - got up to 68 today...first day above 45 > > > > in 2 weeks) and they all basically look kind of > > > > frozen, or to me, dead? The ABC of Bee Culture > > > > says they sometimes look this way in the cold, > > > > but it was pretty warm today. Are they dead? > > > > Starved? What do you think? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Ron E. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > > > Before you buy. > > > > > > > Hi, > > > I don't want to alarm you but I had this experience too. If it > reaches 65 > > > to 70 degrees bees should look like live bees. If they look slow and > > > listless kind of shivering, I would suspect some kind of poisening. > The > > > chemical Sevin that some folks use will make your bees look > frozen. Buzz > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:46:06 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 18 Message-ID: <8hensi$ikl$3@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <20000603141744.12023.00001127@ng-fy1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-213.fluorine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 960160466 19093 62.136.8.213 (4 Jun 2000 23:14:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 23:14:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25350 Glad to hear it. This is not the general experience in the UK. "JMitc1014" wrote in message news:20000603141744.12023.00001127@ng-fy1.aol.com... > Peter wrote: > beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa.> > > I disagree. > It seems that there is a new generation taking up beekeeping here in America, > mostly hobbyists, who take varroa as a given, shrug it off and accept it as > part of the background noise of beekeeping. For these people, varroa is "part > of the way beekeeping has always been." Article 25351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Light, Heat and Location Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 23:44:24 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 51 Message-ID: <8hensh$ikl$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8hc2e9$5ae$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-213.fluorine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 960160465 19093 62.136.8.213 (4 Jun 2000 23:14:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 23:14:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25351 This could start a debate about the ideal hive and apiary location! Here are 10 ideas for starters: 1. Facing SE is said to be ideal, but I know that Brother Adam had hives in his home apiary in blocks of four - each pointing in a different direction; he could detect no difference in performance. 2. Good air drainage in winter - avoid frost pockets. 3. Woodland can be good in summer as it provides shade, but can be very damp and dark in winter. Shade can also be provided by growing plants such as runner beans on the south side of the hives - as the summer gets hotter, the beans will provide more shade. 4. Good windbreaks are essential - the ideal is a hedge as this will slow the wind without the turbulence that a wall will cause. 5. Good access - at all times of the year! 6. Away from paths used by the public. 7. Early pollen available near the hives. 8. Good local forage - obviously. 9. Suitable source of water nearby. 10. Good security if the hives are in an out-apiary. wrote in message news:8hc2e9$5ae$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Have my hive in New England, and have some questions about location > type stuff. > > My hive location has plenty of sun, but not all day long, and not as > much all morning (it did until the leaves grew in)...is sun most > important for: > > 1. heating up the hive (sun hits the hive and heats it up, gets the > bees going) > 2. light so bees get going (light goes in entrance and tells them it is > a good day and gets them going). > > Just curious...(if it is heat my hive is prob ok, it it is light then I > can angle it a little better to let the first mornign light in the > entrance...confused) > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:07:04 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 23 Message-ID: <8hensj$ikl$4@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <393a3243.62355968@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-213.fluorine.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 960160467 19093 62.136.8.213 (4 Jun 2000 23:14:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2000 23:14:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25352 > I think the biggest threat is someone teaching our children made up > words like pollinize! > > beekeep Very true, but even beekeepers (who should know better!) frequently use incorrect terminology as a glance through recent postings will readily prove. For example, the use of 'hive' to describe a colony of bees in a tree! For the record: Bees carry pollen from the anthers of a 'polliniser' (the plant that supplies the pollen) and 'pollinate' a flower by depositing the pollen on the stigma. The pollen may then 'fertilise' the flower. The plants will, of course, be 'polliniferous' (i.e. bearing pollen). Another good word for Scrabble addicts is 'pollinosis' - hay fever to you or I. Article 25353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8hdimj$du3$1@saltmine.radix.net> Subject: Re: Varroa and Tracheal Mites--Inherited Resistance Lines: 74 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 19:22:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.176.77 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 960164192 216.80.176.77 (Sun, 04 Jun 2000 20:16:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 20:16:32 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25353 Hi Adam, I agree that resistance to Varroa and TM in general, may be the result of many different traits. As with many breeding programs, there may be many characteristics aside from the obvious that attribute to a desirable outcome. For example, I work with Dr. Gary Griffin and ACCF at Virginia Tech in their research and breeding of pure American Chestnuts, where many factors may be responsible for the survival of a few large trees. According to Dr. Tom Rinderer, Lead Research Entomologist, USDA Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Laboratory in Baton Rouge, LA, there are specific traits in the case of Russian Honeybees, responsible for resistance to Varroa to which I think he was referring in my post. I personally have a hive of local feral bees that I think is continuing to survive because of the way it handles its drone brood (Strictly a guess) since Varroa in our area seems to have resistance to Apistan strips. For the past three years, this one hive only has periodically uncapped and dragged out most of the drone brood for no apparent reason (unless they sense infestation with Varroa). Thanks very much for your efforts regarding Honeybees and this newsgroup. Best Regards, -- Ed http://www.geocites.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ Adam Finkelstein wrote in message news:8hdimj$du3$1@saltmine.radix.net... > Remember: the basis of any desirable trait in a line, strain, breed. landrace, > c.v., variety, ecotype, whatever, is the availability of a tangible factor to > select for. > > Ask any apicultural researcher what causes suceptability to varroa mites or > tracheal mites and they'll look sheepish. They do not know. > > Bee breeders who have had success, use selection to work for them. For example, > in the H.I.P. project (see metalab.unc.edu/bees --> click on pointers) > breeders and beekeepers have selected lines of bees that have survived without > any treatment in heavily infested areas of varroa mite. They do not know > exactly why the bees survive, but they do. > > Same with tracheal mites. > > There are a few good papers on why certain strains of honey bees might be more > resistant to varroa: one paper looks at the way the bee's mandible is shaped, > and how it is more efficient in cutting mite's body parts. This is research > that can be very useful to a bee breeder: now how can a test be devised to > determine if one's bees have sharp or dull mandibles without spending days > actually looking at bees with visual enhancing apparatus? > > Another series of papers illustrates how bees can be selected for an > "anti-varroa" factor and how this is heritable (able to be passed on to > offspring). The research doesn't explicate how the bees deal with the mites, > just that they do and how to select for the bees that do. > > Adam > -- > Adam Finkelstein > adamf@radix.net > http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 2000 04:51:10 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000605005110.09704.00001100@ng-mf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25354 >So how long does it take for the new queen to start to lay? >My hives swarmed nearly 4 weeks ago and there is still no sign of brood or >eggs despite lots of bees and active foraging. I never can find the queen so >the fact that I haven't found her is of no help. You make a good arguement for swarm prevention. If I had the choice between the swarm and the hive that cast the swarm, I'd take the swarm every time. It seems to take the old hive forever to get going again, and sometimes it doesn't, probably because the queen got eaten or lost on her mating flight. And yes, I don't succeed in preventing swarming in all my bees either.... I routinely give a frame (sometimes 2) of brood containing at least a few eggs to broodless hives in this pattern. Don't bother looking for the queen; most of the time you can't find her, and you get the bees all in an uproar. The bees are usually pretty snotty anyway, when there are no young bees to balance the age spread. This gives them fresh workers to keep up their strength, plus another chance to raise a queen, if their first effort failed. Or you can use it as a test to see if they really are queenless. If they build cells, they are. Then you can let them finish, or give them a caged queen (preferably with another frame of sealed brood for better acceptance). Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Light, Heat and Location Lines: 60 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 2000 05:02:30 GMT References: <8hensh$ikl$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000605010230.09704.00001101@ng-mf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25355 From: "Peter Edwards" edwards.p@OUTstratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk >Here are 10 ideas for starters: > >1. Facing SE is said to be ideal, but I know that Brother Adam had hives in >his home apiary in blocks of four - each pointing in a different direction; >he could detect no difference in performance. I don't think the first light into the entrance is all that important. Here in South Carolina, my bees all are on vine crop pollination. The locations are picked in consultation with the grower, and I always tell them the ideal is morning sun and afternoon shade. We've already had temperatures over 100 F, so I insist on shade for at least part of the day. I face entrances whichever way the pallets happen to be most conveniently placed. >2. Good air drainage in winter - avoid frost pockets. Absolutely vital. Frost pockets can be MUCH colder than areas with good air drainage. >3. Woodland can be good in summer as it provides shade, but can be very damp >and dark in winter. Shade can also be provided by growing plants such as >runner beans on the south side of the hives - as the summer gets hotter, the >beans will provide more shade. I like hardwoods, which give shade in summer, and are more open to sun in winter. I don't like pine forests, also there is more fire danger. In some places I find a thick hardwood forest is too much shade. I've got to do a little clearing in a couple of my yards. Once the trees leaf out, the bees just seem to sit there. > >4. Good windbreaks are essential - the ideal is a hedge as this will slow >the wind without the turbulence that a wall will cause. > >5. Good access - at all times of the year! My most valuable yards are ones I can drive to after 5 inches of rain, which happens more often than I'd like. >6. Away from paths used by the public. >7. Early pollen available near the hives. > >8. Good local forage - obviously. > >9. Suitable source of water nearby. > >10. Good security if the hives are in an out-apiary. Locked gates are nice, unless you have a hunt club that keeps changing locks. I carry a chain cutter nowadays, and will cut the chain and insert my own lock if necessary. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.gradwell.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Texas Swarm Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 2000 13:59:04 GMT References: <8hg9t3$vdc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler Message-ID: <20000605095904.23290.00001275@nso-fy.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25356 In article <8hg9t3$vdc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mrezac@hotmail.com writes: > >I read the rec.gardens forum and a post was sent from TX about a >swarm. Seems someone called the fire department about the swarm in his >backyard. The dept. killed the swarm. Most posted they were amazed >they were killed. He seems to think most beekeepers in TX won't take a >swarm due to diesease and not knowing if they are african bees. > >If you are near Mission TX and would be interested in being contacted >his email is: hotdog5919@my-deja.com. > Mission Tx is in the heart of AFB territory. When you try to gather an AFB swarm, they are NOT docile, and guess who gets sued? AFB are not like the European HBee.. When I was a kid, you could carry swarms on a stick, but you cant even come close that that with AFB. Anyone want to try a bee beard? It doesnt surprise me they were killed, in a residential area, that would be the advice I would give, especially If I were called to testify in a court case. The evidence of violent attack is too compelling to ignore, especially for those who are supposed be knowledgable about bees. Frankly, these bees should NOT be kept in residential areas. Article 25357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!att541!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Allergies Associated With Beekeeping Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:25:12 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 42 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust173.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8hgcnv$1ut$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8hef1a$6jd$2@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust173.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25357 -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Thousands served... > In recent hospital skin tests I was found to react to propolis ... > Are there others out there who agree with me that it is a little risky to > look on propolis as a wonder folklore cure-all, rather than the varnish > component it really is? Yup, that is pretty common. FWIW, I am allergic to bees and I run 3,000 hives. "What?", you say. No, I'm not allergic to stings, they hardly cause a welt -- usually. I am allergic to the bees themselves. That is okay as long as they are whole and running around, but if I smear one on me or am exposed to dry dead bees being swept up, I have a (mild) reaction. If I rub my eyes or neck when working bees, I get some irritation, discomfort and redness. I should mention here that there is considerable risk of serious respiratory damage to people working in close quarters with long-dead bees for periods of time . This happens when cleaning dry mouldy bees out of brood chambers of hives that die over winter or when sweeping up the floor in wintering buildings. Many molds quickly grow in the bodies of dead bees. There is a wide variety of mould that can be found, and some are extremely toxic or irritating to people. Even working outdoors does not necessarily eliminate the problem where large numbers of BCs are being processed. Wintering buildings and honey houses should be swept with caution, using either good masks or a vacuum cleaner system venting outdoors and away from people. allen Article 25358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.slurp.net!not-for-mail Message-ID: <393BB880.2FAC73F@adams.net> From: blacketer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive in a tree References: <20000604081756.06462.00000536@ng-cq1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:26:08 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.138.35.51 X-Trace: newsfeed.slurp.net 960214760 216.138.35.51 (Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:19:20 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:19:20 CDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25358 well jim; my best method to how to make use of a bee tree, is to cut off the tree to a flat surface. then I will cover the bottom of the log or tree with a piece of old plywood, then I will do the same on the other end. the only difference is that the top end of the log you want to cut it off where the comb is at, thenplacxe you top piece of plywood with a hole in the middle of the board so that the bees will come up through it. you waant to anchor both pieces of plywood with either nails or dry-wall screws. they don't like for you to pound on their home that is why I use screws.after you anchor the top to the log you can add suppers or hive bodies. place a hole in one the suppers or hive body's and add you inner cover and lid. you will need to try to plug all other holes in the tree they are useing and then they will find the new way out. some time they will almost emmediately or in the very near furure they. they really like new wax. If you want to really stir them up you can cut the tree up in to chunks and slowly remove the wax and place it in empty frames, you will need the tie it in the frames with a fine wire and pins or nails. then place these frames in a box and gently let the bees move in. sit it beside them and they should go to it. make sure their is no othwer hives close by because you will have the thieves out form other hives. hope that this will help you carl. JPA555 wrote: > I'm a new beekeeper been doing it a little over a year, I have 5 hives in CT > last friday we had a bad storm and a big oak tree fell not far from me there is > a huge honey bee hive in the trunk, the trunk split wide open you can see all > the comb all the bees there is loads of old comb and new comb, The people want > to save the bees and so do I they said that as long as they lived there ther > was a hive in that tree (30 years) How can I get this into a hive body? .... > I don't know if the queen made it through the fall, I'll probly get the heck > stung out of me but I think it is worth, they must be a good wintering bee > stock and I would love to get the bees out of there plus the experance of doing > something like this I would love to hear any coments of what you would do. > Thanks Jim Article 25359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive in a tree Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:11:06 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 22 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust173.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8hgbti$om$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <20000604081756.06462.00000536@ng-cq1.aol.com> <393a7329.78970725@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust173.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25359 > >was a hive in that tree (30 years) How can I get this into a hive body? .... > >I don't know if the queen made it through the fall, I'll probly get the heck > >stung out of me but I think it is worth, they must be a good wintering bee... Barry has drawings for a special frame for holding wild comb at his site http://www.beesource.com I'm not sure exactly where on the site -- you'll have to hunt a bit, but it is a great site to prowl around anyhow. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Thousands served... Article 25360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att541!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:35:37 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 17 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust173.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8hgdbg$2kh$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hc2kh$5i9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8hensf$ikl$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust173.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25360 > My own preference is for baker's fondant, a mixture of powdered sugar (not > icing sugar which has additives) and glucose; it is used by bakers to cover > cakes, comes in 12.5kg blocks, and can be used for feeding at any time of > the year simply by cutting off a lump and placing it over the colony. Our experience (one year and one yard) with fondant is that it may prevent starving, but is ignored by the bees if there is anything else handy to eat. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Article 25361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att541!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Light, Heat and Location Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 08:42:48 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 22 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust173.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8hgdou$2t8$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8hensh$ikl$2@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <20000605010230.09704.00001101@ng-mf1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust173.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25361 > >2. Good air drainage in winter - avoid frost pockets. > > Absolutely vital. Frost pockets can be MUCH colder than areas with good air > drainage.> At the Ontario pollination meeting Dr. Mayer showed a slide of pallets of hives on pollination in Washington State that were set up about four feet off the ground (on a stack of pallets, as I recall). BTW, if you ever get a chance to hear that guy speak, don't miss it. The reason was that the ground was cold and the bees were much warmer up higher and consequently got to work earlier. In my country, I wonder how much of this effect would be offset by the wind. I do know however, that we have never been abler to successfully winter singles unless we set them on an empty hive body with an inner cover to look like a double -- then they winter fine. allen Article 25362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Texas Swarm Corrected Repost Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 05 Jun 2000 16:44:37 GMT References: <8hg9t3$vdc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000605124437.22680.00001911@ng-cr1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25362 > >I read the rec.gardens forum and a post was sent from TX about a >swarm. Seems someone called the fire department about the swarm in his >backyard. The dept. killed the swarm. Most posted they were amazed >they were killed. He seems to think most beekeepers in TX won't take a >swarm due to diesease and not knowing if they are african bees. > >If you are near Mission TX and would be interested in being contacted >his email is: hotdog5919@my-deja.com. > >He says there are several swarms in his area each year. Here is a correction. I was up too late last nite. Sorry. Mission Tx is in the heart of AHB (Arficanized honey bees) territory. When you try to gather an AHB swarm, they are NOT docile, and guess who gets sued? AHB are not like the European HBee.. When I was a kid, you could carry swarms on a stick, but you cant even come close that that with AHB. Anyone want to try a bee beard? It doesnt surprise me they were killed, in a residential area, that would be the advice I would give, especially If I were called to testify in a court case. The evidence of violent attack is too compelling to ignore, especially for those who are supposed be knowledgable about bees. Frankly, these bees should NOT be kept in residential areas. Somebody kill my previous post, goodness, AFB. .... Article 25363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mrezac@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Texas Swarm Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:07:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <8hgj8d$6rg$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8hg9t3$vdc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000605095904.23290.00001275@nso-fy.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.144.76.109 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 05 16:07:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.144.76.109 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25363 What is AFB? In article <20000605095904.23290.00001275@nso-fy.aol.com>, bobpursley@aol.com (Bob Pursley) wrote: > In article <8hg9t3$vdc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mrezac@hotmail.com writes: > > > > >I read the rec.gardens forum and a post was sent from TX about a > >swarm. Seems someone called the fire department about the swarm in his > >backyard. The dept. killed the swarm. Most posted they were amazed > >they were killed. He seems to think most beekeepers in TX won't take a > >swarm due to diesease and not knowing if they are african bees. > > > >If you are near Mission TX and would be interested in being contacted > >his email is: hotdog5919@my-deja.com. > > > > Mission Tx is in the heart of AFB territory. When you try to gather an AFB > swarm, they are NOT docile, and guess who gets sued? AFB are not like the > European HBee.. When I was a kid, you could carry swarms on a stick, but you > cant even come close that that with AFB. Anyone want to try a bee beard? It > doesnt surprise me they were killed, in a residential area, that would be the > advice I would give, especially If I were called to testify in a court case. > The evidence of violent attack is too compelling to ignore, especially for > those who are supposed be knowledgable about bees. Frankly, these bees should > NOT be kept in residential areas. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <393BFA3C.EE3D33EE@raytheon.com> From: "Larry S. Farris" Reply-To: lsfarris@raytheon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,ru MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Texas Swarm Corrected Repost References: <8hg9t3$vdc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <20000605124437.22680.00001911@ng-cr1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 14:06:36 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 138.126.254.210 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com 960231800 138.126.254.210 (Mon, 05 Jun 2000 15:03:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 15:03:20 EDT Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25364 Bob Pursley wrote: > Mission Tx is in the heart of AHB (Arficanized honey bees) territory. > It doesnt surprise me they were killed, in a residential area, that would be the > advice I would give... Bob's point is well taken. If you collect feral swarms in an AHB area, it's just a matter of time before you bring back to your home apiary more than you bargained for. Sometime this week, I will write the local Fire Departments and Animal Control Offices and ask them to remove my name from the list of beekeepers who are willing to go out and capture wild swarms on people's property. I see no further reason to run the risk of bringing back an AHB swarm to my home. It's sad, because I always liked collecting swarms. But for a hobbyist beekeeper, the ground rules have changed in AHB areas of the south and southwest. IMHO, now the best advice is to recommend destroying the swarms. Article 25365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: mrezac@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Texas Swarm Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 13:28:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8hg9t3$vdc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.144.79.95 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 05 13:28:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows 98) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x67.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 198.144.79.95 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDmrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25365 I read the rec.gardens forum and a post was sent from TX about a swarm. Seems someone called the fire department about the swarm in his backyard. The dept. killed the swarm. Most posted they were amazed they were killed. He seems to think most beekeepers in TX won't take a swarm due to diesease and not knowing if they are african bees. If you are near Mission TX and would be interested in being contacted his email is: hotdog5919@my-deja.com. He says there are several swarms in his area each year. Melodie Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: medical propolis Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 00:45:05 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 14 Message-ID: <393C2D71.43F7D348@club-internet.fr> References: <8hef1a$6jd$2@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-28-214.wmar.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front4.grolier.fr 960245469 2818 213.44.28.214 (5 Jun 2000 22:51:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2000 22:51:09 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25366 Relating to propolis,
When cleaning supers during the winter period, constant contact with propolis dust and squashed material in between first finger and thumb causes the skin to crack, but the most annoying area is around the waist as the dust passes through the material making up my jumper and shirt. Even tried wearing a beesuit- still get the red itchy skin symptoms.The skin dries, peels and then recovers.
Peter Article 25367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!ionews.ionet.net!not-for-mail From: "TJ" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wanting to Swarm Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:33:54 -0500 Organization: ioNET Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <8hhr4g$2jq$1@ionews.ionet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp246.viagrafix.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25367 I have about 2 weeks ago requeen a colony. Even now they seem to still want to swarm as before. They have a empty super on them and it seem to be enough room for them. They still have one super only probably 50% filled out. Any ideas? Article 25368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!bignews.mediaways.net!diablo.theplanet.net!skynet.be!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!central.inet.fi!inet.fi!read2.inet.fi.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Seppo.Korpela@mtt.fi (Seppo Korpela) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apitherapy Info or Sites? Message-ID: <393d1744.36026029@news.inet.fi> References: <23155-393D0B47-20@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 15:21:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.208.146.48 X-Trace: read2.inet.fi 960304898 193.208.146.48 (Tue, 06 Jun 2000 18:21:38 EET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 18:21:38 EET DST Organization: Sonera corp Internet services Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25368 LateNiteOwl@webtv.net (Owl That Hurt!!) wrote: >Hello, >I thought maybe this would bee the place that might have some >information or maybe know of some sites on Apitherapy. If you do please >e-mail me, I don't know if I'll find my way back here. Thanks in >advance. See: http://www.saunalahti.fi/~apither/ Article 25369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hot knife VS plane ??? Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 15:12:40 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 4 Message-ID: <393D7757.5E5B3FE2@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 960329580 29615 129.101.81.41 (6 Jun 2000 22:13:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2000 22:13:00 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25369 Which is better and why for uncapping. I've only used the hot knife method. Thanks Matthew Article 25370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Stupid Question from Beginner > Are My Bees Dead Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:25:26 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8hjutt$llu$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8efrls$pc0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8h9fcp$rk5$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hc2kh$5i9$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <8hensf$ikl$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hgdbg$2kh$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-110.carbon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 960331517 22206 62.136.5.110 (6 Jun 2000 22:45:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2000 22:45:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25370 "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8hgdbg$2kh$1@news.smartworld.net... > Our experience (one year and one yard) with fondant is that it may prevent > starving, but is ignored by the bees if there is anything else handy to eat. > > allen ---------------------------------- Yes, this is another advantage as it will no end up in your honey if placed above the colony. Article 25371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jmitc1014@aol.com (JMitc1014) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jun 2000 21:17:28 GMT References: <3937F7BE.D28B675B@flash.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000606171728.18435.00003930@ng-cg1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25371 Sounds ok so far, but why did you remove the one frame from the brood box? I have heard it recommended that when installing a package, a frame or two should be removed to create a space to dump the bees in, but then the frames should be put back before closing the hive up to avoid a burr comb mess. Cheers, John Article 25372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: rec01rec@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: division feeder loc and upper entr hole size Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:50:40 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <8hjv7p$pjn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.175.138 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 06 22:50:40 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.1 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 24.147.175.138 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDrec01rec Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25372 Two questions: 1. Does it matter where the division feeder goes in the hive? 2. If I am going to drill a hole in the upper brood for the winter how big should it be? Thanks, Ron Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "David Smith" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Skep to hive? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:41:16 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <8hjukn$d1g$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userfg66.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 960331223 13360 62.188.22.68 (6 Jun 2000 22:40:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2000 22:40:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25373 I have a swarm in a skep that I would like to reintroduce to the bees in my hive but I don't know where to begin. Can anyone offer advice? The bees have been in the skep for about 4 weeks now. Thanks Dave Article 25374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!newspeer.highwayone.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive in a tree Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:44:02 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8hjutv$llu$2@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000604081756.06462.00000536@ng-cq1.aol.com> <393a7329.78970725@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-110.carbon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 960331519 22206 62.136.5.110 (6 Jun 2000 22:45:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2000 22:45:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25374 wrote in message news:393a7329.78970725@news1.radix.net... Take regular hive > bodies with frames but no foundation, a bottom board, inner cover, and > a top. A box or rubber bands or string is also needed. Carefully cut > the combs so that the fit into the frames and hold them in place with > the rubberbands. Put each frame in the hive as you go ----------------------------- Can I suggest what I find is a better way? Cutting the combs and trying to fit them into frames is very messy, loses at least some of the brood - and does not give you very good, or straight, combs for all your work. My method is: Place a brood box with drawn combs on a floor and place a queen excluder on top and then an empty brood box. (If the swarm is large, you may wish to add honey supers between the bottom box and the empty box). Take the wild combs and shake or brush the bees down in front of your hive so that the bees run in on to the good combs. Prop the wild combs in the empty box on the excluder so that the bees are able to get to all of the brood (use small twigs as supports if necessary - but there is no need to try to put the combs in tidily); when the box is full, add another excluder and empty box; continue until all the comb has been housed. What will now happen is that the queen will establish herself in the bottom box, the brood will all emerge from the wild comb within 3 weeks and you can then remove it. This really works very well and is quick and easy to do. Article 25375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!24.92.226.72!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <393DAE17.42042E99@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hot knife VS plane ??? References: <393D7757.5E5B3FE2@uidaho.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 02:01:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.237.121 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 960343279 24.92.237.121 (Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:01:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 22:01:19 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25375 IME the plane is easier on the wrist, and so somewhat easier to use. However, it takes two passes if you are uncapping deep combs. The knife, on the other hand, has its own advantages. One swipe can uncap a deep comb. Also, you can run it down across the top and bottom bars to zip off the burr comb -- hard to do with a plane. Also, you can make a deeper cut with a knife (running it flush against the top/bottom bars). Knives usually have a temp. control, which will keep them from overheating when left idle for a few minutes. The planes (or the ones I have seen and used) don't have that feature, and if you aren't constantly uncappipng, the honey on the blade will bubble and burn. However, some sort of control might be added, on the line from the power source, to solve that problem. The easiest way to use a plane is to lay the comb flat (such as on 2 narrow slats or top-bars tacked across the uncapping tub), so that one of the end-bars is facing you. Then, starting at the opposite end-bar, draw the plane towards you, across the comb. Easier and faster than a regular long-knife, esp. if the comb is a bit tough. Btw, these comments pertain to electric knives/planes. Never tried any steam versions! --j Matthew Pollard wrote: > Which is better and why for uncapping. I've only used the hot knife > method. Thanks > Matthew Article 25376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wanting to Swarm Message-ID: References: <8hhr4g$2jq$1@ionews.ionet.net> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 11 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 00:53:50 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:50:28 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25376 In article <8hhr4g$2jq$1@ionews.ionet.net>, terjoh54@hotmail.com says... > I have about 2 weeks ago requeen a colony. Even now they seem to still want > to swarm as before. They have a empty super on them and it seem to be > enough room for them. They still have one super only probably 50% filled > out. > Any ideas? > > > TBH Article 25377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Lines: 1 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 06 Jun 2000 06:51:39 GMT References: <393a3243.62355968@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000606025139.01389.00001606@ng-fz1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25377 ouch! Article 25378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 20:54:28 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 960281617 nnrp-01:28328 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25378 In article <8h9fcr$rk5$3@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>, Peter Edwards writes snip >The important point is that without beekeepers there would certainly be >very few bees and it is worrying that the numbers of beekeepers has declined >dramatically since the onset of varroa; we are down to a core of experienced >beekeepers who, by working hard, are coping with varroa. and the number increases after 2-3 years of decline and ends up higher with more productivity if we follow European experience. New beekeepers learn the new approaches needed and the older ones left are the ones who adapted to varroa. -- James Kilty Article 25379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newsfeed.icl.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:04:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4mS$zMAhZrO5Ew59@kilty.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 960281619 nnrp-01:28328 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 13 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25379 In article , Geoff Aucklland writes >So how long does it take for the new queen to start to lay? >My hives swarmed nearly 4 weeks ago and there is still no sign of brood or >eggs despite lots of bees and active foraging. I never can find the queen so >the fact that I haven't found her is of no help. If pollen is coming in there is a queen. You are getting near the end of the usual time span in which she can mate and lay. Give her another week and then if there are no eggs, you have problems with an unmated queen. Then you have the choice to requeen some way or other. Someone will suggest a way to deal with this. -- James Kilty Article 25380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: LateNiteOwl@webtv.net (Owl That Hurt!!) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apitherapy Info or Sites? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 10:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <23155-393D0B47-20@storefull-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRr2dbbK1tKIXxUctSfltnuZYVIrgIVAJpsuqHQeKksGQp9v4ulB1nmux2b Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25380 Hello, I thought maybe this would bee the place that might have some information or maybe know of some sites on Apitherapy. If you do please e-mail me, I don't know if I'll find my way back here. Thanks in advance. Article 25381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A bit of info, please Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:06:41 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25381 Hi all; Just a couple of questions: 1) In the "old days" we just cut the caps off the comb to release the honey. How do you it with these "modern" new plastic comb foundations? Do I pop out the comb, and use a knife to cut off the comb right at the base? Or do I just cap it and extract in the conventional manner? 2) Several months back there was a good discussion on smoking, and materials to use for good cool smoke. I seem to have lost those references, and a Deja search was pretty sparse. Could anybody remind me of the upshot of those discussions? IIRC; burlap was pretty well acknowledged to be among the best materials. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to find around here. I had neglected to note what other materials folks were using... In particular, someone had mentioned a pressed cotton block (I think). Any names so I could research it?? TIA, Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. Article 25382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: division feeder loc and upper entr hole size Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:12:21 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 21 Message-ID: <393E7465.42AEE534@uidaho.edu> References: <8hjv7p$pjn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: faraday.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 960394806 21091 129.101.81.112 (7 Jun 2000 16:20:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2000 16:20:06 GMT To: rec01rec@my-deja.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25382 i just got some free used hive bodies and about 1/3 of them have holes- about 5/8" drilled on an uphill slant so water won't run in. then they had a little piece of tin hanging over them so you can close them when not being used. -M rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > Two questions: > > 1. Does it matter where the division feeder goes in the hive? > 2. If I am going to drill a hole in the upper brood for the winter how > big should it be? > > Thanks, > > Ron > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!verio.MISMATCH!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Charles W." From: "Charles W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Lines: 52 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:13:10 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.184.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 960401592 204.96.184.188 (Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:13:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 18:13:12 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25383 I'm just a novice myself, but in answer to your first question ... I've not heard of any foundation (plastic or otherwise) that the bees did not have to draw out with their own wax. Therefore, when it comes extracting time, you treat them the same as any other. The cappings must be removed exactly the same with the use of any type foundation. Having plastic in the middle of the comb just provides strength ... used instead of embedding wires in the old pure wax foundation. As for question number 2 ... I'd like to know myself what common everyday materials provide good smoker fuel. I agree that burlap is sometimes difficult to find and I don't like the idea of having to buy special smoker fuel from a bee supplier. Any info on this would be appreciated. Charles Georgetown, TX Dusty Bleher wrote in message news:sjsso4kj2t585@news.supernews.com... > Hi all; > > Just a couple of questions: > 1) In the "old days" we just cut the caps off the comb to release the honey. > How do you it with these "modern" new plastic comb foundations? Do I pop out > the comb, and use a knife to cut off the comb right at the base? Or do I just > cap it and extract in the conventional manner? > > 2) Several months back there was a good discussion on smoking, and materials > to use for good cool smoke. I seem to have lost those references, and a Deja > search was pretty sparse. Could anybody remind me of the upshot of those > discussions? IIRC; burlap was pretty well acknowledged to be among the best > materials. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to find around here. I had > neglected to note what other materials folks were using... In particular, > someone had mentioned a pressed cotton block (I think). Any names so I could > research it?? > > TIA, > Dusty Bleher > San Jose, Ca. > > > > > Article 25384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Mark Gaylord Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 14:20:36 -0400 Lines: 55 Message-ID: <393E9274.446C0BE2@formida.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fm5depECw3/zTrMNF/AcQhKhMX6F5GLupUiNKA2SDfNI0d2YTWF1EA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2000 18:33:08 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25384 dry pine needles work great. "Charles W." wrote: > I'm just a novice myself, but in answer to your first question ... I've not > heard of any foundation (plastic or otherwise) that the bees did not have to > draw out with their own wax. Therefore, when it comes extracting time, you > treat them the same as any other. The cappings must be removed exactly the > same with the use of any type foundation. Having plastic in the middle of > the comb just provides strength ... used instead of embedding wires in the > old pure wax foundation. > > As for question number 2 ... I'd like to know myself what common everyday > materials provide good smoker fuel. I agree that burlap is sometimes > difficult to find and I don't like the idea of having to buy special smoker > fuel from a bee supplier. Any info on this would be appreciated. > > Charles > Georgetown, TX > > Dusty Bleher wrote in message > news:sjsso4kj2t585@news.supernews.com... > > Hi all; > > > > Just a couple of questions: > > 1) In the "old days" we just cut the caps off the comb to release the > honey. > > How do you it with these "modern" new plastic comb foundations? Do I pop > out > > the comb, and use a knife to cut off the comb right at the base? Or do I > just > > cap it and extract in the conventional manner? > > > > 2) Several months back there was a good discussion on smoking, and > materials > > to use for good cool smoke. I seem to have lost those references, and a > Deja > > search was pretty sparse. Could anybody remind me of the upshot of those > > discussions? IIRC; burlap was pretty well acknowledged to be among the > best > > materials. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to find around here. I had > > neglected to note what other materials folks were using... In particular, > > someone had mentioned a pressed cotton block (I think). Any names so I > could > > research it?? > > > > TIA, > > Dusty Bleher > > San Jose, Ca. > > > > > > > > > > Article 25385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bears and bacon and electricity Date: 7 Jun 2000 20:55:33 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8hmcs5$g89$1@campus3.mtu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Trace: campus3.mtu.edu 960411333 16649 141.219.67.30 (7 Jun 2000 20:55:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mtu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2000 20:55:33 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.7] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25385 Well, there's been a bear sniffing around my hives lately, and I learned a valuable lesson: don't skimp on the electric fence. Originally, I'd just had two strands of wire, with a single strand for the gate (this was the type of fence that the person I'd bought my nucs from last year had for his yards). About a month ago, a yearling bear apparently squeezed between the wires and ate about 2 frames worth of honey before taking off. (luckily, all he did was knock over one super, and make the colony mad as hell, without much actual damage. I got off pretty cheap this time). So, I went more-or-less ape with the electric fence, increasing it to four strands (spaced about 6 inches apart), added two more strands of wire to the gate, and draped about a pound of raw bacon over all the wires. That evening, around 10:00, I went out to check again. There, sitting about 15 feet from the fence, was the bear, looking at the hives with a mournful expression. We yelled at him until he took off, and didn't see him again until just today, when my wife spotted him coming away from the direction of the hives. The fence apparently repulsed him yet again, but it would probably be a good idea to refresh the bacon on the wires. So, thanks very much to all the people who suggested draping the fence with raw bacon (or other conductive baits). It seems to work extremely well against bears (and maybe coyotes, too. A couple of nights ago we heard a coyote yiping his fool head off from the general direction of the hives, I think he tried for some bacon). Just one question, though: how often should I refresh the bacon? Every two weeks or so? Or should I just replace it as it gradually disappears from insects and birds eating it? -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 25386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:02:15 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8hmh5h$74u$3@lure.pipex.net> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <393a3243.62355968@news1.radix.net> <8hensj$ikl$4@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdr48.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 960415729 7326 62.188.6.55 (7 Jun 2000 22:08:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2000 22:08:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25386 For the record, Peter, in the accusative case, I is spelt ME. Let's get it right! Martin. Peter Edwards wrote in message news:8hensj$ikl$4@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > I think the biggest threat is someone teaching our children made up > > words like pollinize! > > > > beekeep > > Very true, but even beekeepers (who should know better!) frequently use > incorrect terminology as a glance through recent postings will readily > prove. For example, the use of 'hive' to describe a colony of bees in a > tree! > > For the record: > > Bees carry pollen from the anthers of a 'polliniser' (the plant that > supplies the pollen) and 'pollinate' a flower by depositing the pollen on > the stigma. The pollen may then 'fertilise' the flower. > > The plants will, of course, be 'polliniferous' (i.e. bearing pollen). > > Another good word for Scrabble addicts is 'pollinosis' - hay fever to you or > I. > > Article 25387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!grot.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergies Associated With Beekeeping Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:47:35 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 47 Message-ID: <8hmh5g$74u$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <8hef1a$6jd$2@lure.pipex.net> <8hgcnv$1ut$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdr48.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 960415728 7326 62.188.6.55 (7 Jun 2000 22:08:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2000 22:08:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25387 Allen Dick wrote in message FWIW, I am allergic to bees and I run 3,000 > hives. > > "What?", you say. > > No, I'm not allergic to stings, they hardly cause a welt -- usually. > > I am allergic to the bees themselves. That is okay as long as they are > whole and running around, but if I smear one on me or am exposed to dry dead > bees being swept up, I have a (mild) reaction. If I rub my eyes or neck > when working bees, I get some irritation, discomfort and redness. > > I should mention here that there is considerable risk of serious respiratory > damage to people working in close quarters with long-dead bees for periods > of time . This happens when cleaning dry mouldy bees out of brood chambers > of hives that die over winter or when sweeping up the floor in wintering > buildings. Many molds quickly grow in the bodies of dead bees. There is a > wide variety of mould that can be found, and some are extremely toxic or > irritating to people. > > Even working outdoors does not necessarily eliminate the problem where large > numbers of BCs are being processed. > > Wintering buildings and honey houses should be swept with caution, using > either good masks or a vacuum cleaner system venting outdoors and away from > people. > allen Many thanks, Allen, plenty of good advice in that and I shall test myself with crushed bee to see if I missed an important item from my allergy check. The mould spore thing is much like 'Farmer's Lung' which follows handling mouldy hay and breathing in the (mainly Aspergillus) spores. Some beekeepers who think they have asthma might be suffering from mould spore inhalation. Martin. Article 25388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Glenn West Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 20:35:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <8hmbn9$hvs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3937F7BE.D28B675B@flash.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.228.142.1 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 07 20:35:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows 98; EDS COE v2000.1) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x61.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.228.142.1 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwestxga Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25388 I'm curious as to why you treated pkg bees. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Why@me.com (SomeOne) Subject: Maxant Chain Decapper X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 7 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 21:49:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.162.169 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 960414858 38.27.162.169 (Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:54:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:54:18 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25389 I purchased a used Maxant decapper. No paper work came with the product but Maxant was VERY kind in sending me the instructions at no charge. The only hassle I have is fine tuning the chain flail. I know how to adjust the depth of the chains, but I don't know to what depth would work best. Comments from those who actually USE this device would be more than welcome. Article 25390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:15:33 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 80 Message-ID: <8hmhta$7sm$1@lure.pipex.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: userdy05.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 960416490 8086 62.188.8.197 (7 Jun 2000 22:21:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2000 22:21:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25390 Fuels: I have for many years used corrugated cardboard rolled into fat 'cigars' to fit the smoker. But now recycling is taking on and cardboard seems to have developed some pretty acrid additives, I am using grass. When a rotary mower has smashed the grass and it has dried on the lawn a couple of days, gather it, spread to dry under cover, and then it makes nice smelling easy smoke. A friend swears by rotted powdery wood from fallen trees and collects this to store for future use. Watching me light my smoker, some other beekeepers at a meeting said they had never thought of lying the smoker on its side to start it, but this works well and saves a lot of burnt fingers. I use narrow strips torn from the edge of a folded newspaper as kindling. Martin MK,UK. Charles W. wrote in message news:Ygw%4.35566$5k2.62964@dfw-read.news.verio.net... > I'm just a novice myself, but in answer to your first question ... I've not > heard of any foundation (plastic or otherwise) that the bees did not have to > draw out with their own wax. Therefore, when it comes extracting time, you > treat them the same as any other. The cappings must be removed exactly the > same with the use of any type foundation. Having plastic in the middle of > the comb just provides strength ... used instead of embedding wires in the > old pure wax foundation. > > As for question number 2 ... I'd like to know myself what common everyday > materials provide good smoker fuel. I agree that burlap is sometimes > difficult to find and I don't like the idea of having to buy special smoker > fuel from a bee supplier. Any info on this would be appreciated. > > Charles > Georgetown, TX > > Dusty Bleher wrote in message > news:sjsso4kj2t585@news.supernews.com... > > Hi all; > > > > Just a couple of questions: > > 1) In the "old days" we just cut the caps off the comb to release the > honey. > > How do you it with these "modern" new plastic comb foundations? Do I pop > out > > the comb, and use a knife to cut off the comb right at the base? Or do I > just > > cap it and extract in the conventional manner? > > > > 2) Several months back there was a good discussion on smoking, and > materials > > to use for good cool smoke. I seem to have lost those references, and a > Deja > > search was pretty sparse. Could anybody remind me of the upshot of those > > discussions? IIRC; burlap was pretty well acknowledged to be among the > best > > materials. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to find around here. I had > > neglected to note what other materials folks were using... In particular, > > someone had mentioned a pressed cotton block (I think). Any names so I > could > > research it?? > > > > TIA, > > Dusty Bleher > > San Jose, Ca. > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 25391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 21:42:33 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <393ec18f.2087150@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p25.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25391 On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 13:13:10 -0500, "Charles W." wrote: > >As for question number 2 ... I'd like to know myself what common everyday >materials provide good smoker fuel. I agree that burlap is sometimes >difficult to find and I don't like the idea of having to buy special smoker >fuel from a bee supplier. Any info on this would be appreciated. > >Charles >Georgetown, TX My favorite is holly planer shavings. Greg the beekeep Article 25392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <393D7757.5E5B3FE2@uidaho.edu> <393DCAAF.2D781CF6@midwest.net> Subject: Re: hot knife VS plane ??? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 18:10:35 -0500 Lines: 24 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.92 Message-ID: <393ed48c_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 7 Jun 2000 19:02:36 -0400, 208.24.176.92 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.92 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25392 I use a comb scraper I think it waist less wax it just scratches the caps open I have very little wax waist. However I only have 4 hives. Larry "AL" wrote in message news:393DCAAF.2D781CF6@midwest.net... > Matthew Pollard wrote: > > > > Which is better and why for uncapping. I've only used the hot knife > > method. Thanks > > Matthew > > > > This isn't exactly in keeping with the question, but I use an electric > carving knife. The reciprocating blades make a nice clean cut. Once the > uncapping/extracting is done, the blades are cleaned and put away for > holiday ham or turkey. > > > AL Article 25393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 2000 01:23:32 GMT References: <393ec18f.2087150@news1.radix.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000607212332.16804.00002216@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25393 > >My favorite is holly planer shavings. > Yeah, Me too. Try Pine shavings. Article 25394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Texas Swarm Corrected Repost Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 2000 01:40:37 GMT References: <393BFA3C.EE3D33EE@raytheon.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000607214037.16804.00002217@ng-fk1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25394 > But for a hobbyist beekeeper, the ground rules >have changed in AHB areas of the south and southwest. IMHO, now the >best advice is to recommend destroying the swarms. Very much agree! Article 25395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: kent stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 21:55:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 3 Message-ID: <393EFD14.4FAFB62E@kingston.net> References: <393ec18f.2087150@news1.radix.net> <20000607212332.16804.00002216@ng-fk1.aol.com> Reply-To: beemann@kingston.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Sender: "kent stienburg" <@mail.kingston.net> (Unverified) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-CCK-MCD IKEzilla/2 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25395 I use newspaper rolled tightly. Kent Article 25396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!csulb.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:14:18 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <8hnv61$n88$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8hmhta$7sm$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.231 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 08 11:14:18 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 PROXY2, 1.0 x57.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.18.4.231 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25396 In article <8hmhta$7sm$1@lure.pipex.net>, "Pamela Buckle" wrote: > Fuels: I have for many years used corrugated cardboard rolled into fat > 'cigars' to fit > the smoker. But now recycling is taking on and cardboard seems to have > developed some pretty acrid additives, I am using grass. When a rotary > mower has smashed the grass and it has dried on the lawn a couple of days, > gather it, spread to dry under cover, and then it makes nice smelling easy > smoke. A friend swears by rotted powdery wood from fallen trees and collects > this to store for future use. > Watching me light my smoker, some other beekeepers at a meeting said they > had never thought of lying the smoker on its side to start it, but this > works well and saves a lot of burnt fingers. I use narrow strips torn from > the edge of a folded newspaper as kindling. > Martin MK,UK. > My son tried the dry grass a few weeks ago, but found that it burned too hot - it discolored the sides of his smoker (and he burned his finger on it also - he has never done this with the commercial fuel).. -- Duane L. Rezac drezac@greenapple.com www.greenapple.com/~drezac Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: 8 Jun 2000 16:02:27 GMT Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8hog2j$mg6$0@63.68.71.52> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.68.71.52 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25397 On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:06:41 -0700, "Dusty Bleher" wrote: >Hi all; > >2) Several months back there was a good discussion on smoking, and materials >to use for good cool smoke. I seem to have lost those references, and a Deja >search was pretty sparse. Could anybody remind me of the upshot of those >discussions? IIRC; burlap was pretty well acknowledged to be among the best >materials. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to find around here. I had >neglected to note what other materials folks were using... In particular, >someone had mentioned a pressed cotton block (I think). Any names so I could >research it?? I use cedar shavings (sold with pet supplies). I put newspaper and a few shavings in the smoker. Then with the smoker on it's side light it with a propane torch with the push button start (overkill, but it starts up fast. I kept breaking the long lighters buy putting them in my back pocket then sitting on them.) Once it gets going good I stuff it with shavings. And I've found wadding up some newspaper in the top keeps you from blowin out embers and ashes. -Tim Article 25398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!nnrp.xmission!not-for-mail From: D.F.S. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Moving an established swarm? Date: 8 Jun 2000 16:23:15 GMT Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 118 Message-ID: <8hoh9j$6hr$1@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Trace: news.xmission.com 960481395 6715 198.60.22.20 (8 Jun 2000 16:23:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2000 16:23:15 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970327; sun4m SunOS 5.7] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25398 I have a swarm that has taken up residence in the brick column on my front porch. The home is 85 years old, and I think there is only one layer of hard brick in the ~2Ft square column and a hollow core. The bees are going thru spaces where the mortar has fallen out. the brik is loose enough I could easily remove a reasonable number. It does hold my roof up though. I don't know how long they have been there, as I usually don't use the front door and they could easilt have been there all spring. I do know they have been there at least a week. As a kid we had 2 hives we captured. One was established in an outbuilding we scraped out all the comb and bees, and put them in an empty hive. we moved it about 400 feet away. They stayed put, and also broke down the old comb and took to the new empty frames without problem. The other time we just shook a swarm into a box and that was all it took. The difference now is the hive may be harder to get to and remove all the comb and brood. Several open ended questions and statements in no real order. I just bought parts for a new hive. They are unused and the comb foundation is undrawn. I have a veil and gloves, but I'd like to use a pair of zip-up type thermal overalls which are dark tan. how big of a problem? I intend to remove the hive at night. Any advise on using a wet-dry shop vac to suck up the bees? Will treatment in this process impact the temperment of the hive? will it only impact currently living bees? should I spray the bees with something to stop them from flying, like water or maybe sugar water which may last longer and provide a diversion? should I try to confine the bees in the new hive? The farthest I can move the bees from the current location is about 300 ft. Is there a way to convince the bees to move into the hive in another way? something like placing the new hive by the entrance to the current one and using an attractand in the new hive? Is there a way to induce them to vacate the current hive, aka a "Stick" instead of the above "Carrot". Could I clip the wings on the queen in the new hive and prevent her from flying? Would this keep the rest of the hive from leaving? Is there a way to prevent a large number of bees from being able to fly with the intent being if I can keep a critical mass of the current colony in the new hive long enough for a new critical mass of hatchlings to develop who are perfectly happy with the new home? I'm thinking along the lines of a fine mist of spray adhesive or something to mess up the wing function. (Odd, I'll admit, but I'm stretching...) Would a week of "Rainy" weather provided by a sprinkler help to keep the colony homebound long enough to get established? I would hate to kill them outright. They also can't stay where they are. They seem pretty docile, they will ignore you standing 2-3 feet from the entrance unless you are in the current line of flight. Even then they buzz or some times fly into you, but I have yet to be stung. by the same token I have not "Messed" with them yet either. The move will be a severe messin'. Should I expect the temperment to change a lot? At any given instant in the daytime, there are probably 2-300 bees in flight within 4' of the hive or in the process of entering or leaving the hive. Does this say anything about how large or established the hive may be? Ideas or pointers? I have clearly missed the time to move them before they get established. as such would I be better off making sure there is a fair bit of comb and brood in the hive which could be placed in the new hive to entice them to stay? I could leave them in place for a while while this happens if there is a real advantage. Thanks. Marc Article 25399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!diablo.theplanet.net!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive in a tree Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jun 2000 03:57:14 GMT References: <393BB880.2FAC73F@adams.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000606235714.25089.00001088@ng-me1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25399 Well I would of done that when I got the call I thought about that method but when I got there and found out the tree was 3 1/2 feet in diamater that method was tossed out I did manage to get the whole hive in a hive body and it is in my back yard UI will go in next week to check for a queen I still don't know if she made it through the fall... thank you all for your info. Jim Article 25400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mark Hale" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apimondia 2001 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:03:48 +0200 Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 NNTP-Posting-Host: rst-dial-196-2-26-186.mweb.co.za Message-ID: <393de213.0@news1.mweb.co.za> X-Trace: 7 Jun 2000 07:48:03 +0200, rst-dial-196-2-26-186.mweb.co.za Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!iafrica.com!news1.mweb.co.za!rst-dial-196-2-26-186.mweb.co.za Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25400 Hi All This is to inform all bee farmers and any one else with an interest in the bee industrie, that the 2001 Apimondia Congress is being held in Durban, South Africa from 2nd to 6th September 2001. Visit our website at: http://www.apimondia2001.com e-mail: confplan@iafrica.com Exihibitors can contact : mwthebee@mweb.co.za or saronde@su.org.za Tel: +27 (0) 12 667-3681 Fax: +27 (0) 12 667-3680 PO Box 82 Irene 0062 South Africa Regards Mark Hale From not so dark Africa Hosts Apimondia 2001 Article 25401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Skep to hive? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:59:08 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8hko22$86e$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8hjukn$d1g$1@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-212.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 960357250 8398 62.136.3.212 (7 Jun 2000 05:54:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2000 05:54:10 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25401 The principle is to get the queen in a brood box and then put the skep on top with a queen excluder in between; you will then need an empty brood box or two to go around the skep until all the brood in there has hatched - 3 weeks - and you can remove the skep. You may wish to put a super or two in between the brood box and the skep to take any incoming honey. The old way to remove bees from a skep (into an empty skep) was to turn it upside down, prop the empty one on top and then 'drum' on the sides of the bottom one with your hands (one beat approx every half second). You could try this with a brood box supported over the upturned skep; or you may be able to shake to bees out of the skep (danger of shaking out the combs!), or you may find it easier to drive them out with carefully directed smoke. "David Smith" wrote in message news:8hjukn$d1g$1@lure.pipex.net... > I have a swarm in a skep that I would like to reintroduce to the bees in my > hive but I don't know where to begin. Can anyone offer advice? The bees > have been in the skep for about 4 weeks now. > > Thanks > Dave > > Article 25402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hot knife VS plane ??? Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:00:30 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8hko27$86e$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <393D7757.5E5B3FE2@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-212.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 960357255 8398 62.136.3.212 (7 Jun 2000 05:54:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2000 05:54:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25402 I use a cold 'ham' knife - works fine (I have just extracted the first 3/4 ton this year). "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message news:393D7757.5E5B3FE2@uidaho.edu... > Which is better and why for uncapping. I've only used the hot knife > method. Thanks > Matthew > Article 25403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8hhr4g$2jq$1@ionews.ionet.net> Subject: Re: Wanting to Swarm Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <4bc%4.36$uJ3.2068@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:21:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.50.68 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 960319296 12.72.50.68 (Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:21:36 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:21:36 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25403 Please provide more information. Why did you requeen? What has been going on with the colony? What makes you think they want to swarm? Where are you? etc....... -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "TJ" wrote in message news:8hhr4g$2jq$1@ionews.ionet.net... > I have about 2 weeks ago requeen a colony. Even now they seem to still want > to swarm as before. They have a empty super on them and it seem to be > enough room for them. They still have one super only probably 50% filled > out. > Any ideas? > > Article 25404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hot knife VS plane ??? Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 23:08:15 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <393DCAAF.2D781CF6@midwest.net> References: <393D7757.5E5B3FE2@uidaho.edu> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25404 Matthew Pollard wrote: > > Which is better and why for uncapping. I've only used the hot knife > method. Thanks > Matthew This isn't exactly in keeping with the question, but I use an electric carving knife. The reciprocating blades make a nice clean cut. Once the uncapping/extracting is done, the blades are cleaned and put away for holiday ham or turkey. AL Article 25405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: jpa555@aol.com (JPA555) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder05.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jun 2000 04:18:37 GMT References: <3937F7BE.D28B675B@flash.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000607001837.25089.00001092@ng-me1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25405 I agree why did you remove the one frame now you have to go in and scrape it all off or you'll never get it apart and you don't need smoke for installing packages and you could put in floats in the sugar syrup as in paint sticks work well the best way is to get a division board feeder and put a paint stick in that for a float (a clean one) so the bees don't drowned and you don't need to wet them down with the sugar syrup just a few quick sprays... Don't worrie about getting stung they don't hurt like a yellow jacket does or a hornet get used to gettin stung is what you should be doing. Jim Article 25406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergies Associated With Beekeeping Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 01:04:53 +0100 Message-ID: References: <8hef1a$6jd$2@lure.pipex.net> <8hgcnv$1ut$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 960380251 nnrp-06:29692 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 18 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25406 In article <8hgcnv$1ut$1@news.smartworld.net>, Allen Dick writes >I am allergic to the bees themselves. That is okay as long as they are >whole and running around, but if I smear one on me or am exposed to dry dead >bees being swept up, I have a (mild) reaction. If I rub my eyes or neck >when working bees, I get some irritation, discomfort and redness. Thanks. That explains my own mild but uncomfortable reaction if I rub my eyes after working the bees. >I should mention here that there is considerable risk of serious respiratory >damage to people working in close quarters with long-dead bees for periods >of time . This happens when cleaning dry mouldy bees out of brood chambers >of hives that die over winter or when sweeping up the floor in wintering >buildings. Many molds quickly grow in the bodies of dead bees. There is a >wide variety of mould that can be found, and some are extremely toxic or >irritating to people. Now that's advice I must put into our Newsletter and my basic course. -- James Kilty Article 25407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc03.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Why@me.com (SomeOne) Subject: Re: Maxant Chain Decapper References: <393F77EF.CAF3B5B5@together.net> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 14 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 16:36:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.27.163.99 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 960482472 38.27.163.99 (Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:41:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:41:12 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25407 In article <393F77EF.CAF3B5B5@together.net>, mpalmer@together.net wrote: >I used one for years, until I got a Gunness. I adjusted mine even with the top >bars. > >SomeOne wrote: > >The only hassle I have is fine tuning the chain flail. I know how to adjust > >> the depth of the chains, but I don't know to what depth would work best. >> Comments from those who actually USE this device would be more than welcome. > > > I'll give that a shot, thank you! Article 25408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.16.134!attmtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newbie Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 06:46:52 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 42 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust174.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8hlfp3$mme$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <3937F7BE.D28B675B@flash.net> <20000606171728.18435.00003930@ng-cg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust174.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25408 > Sounds ok so far, but why did you remove the one frame from the brood box? I > have heard it recommended that when installing a package, a frame or two should > be removed to create a space to dump the bees in, but then the frames should be > put back before closing the hive up to avoid a burr comb mess. FWIW, we always leave one frame out when installing packages (This is illustrated in the diary in the first week of April) . This practice makes subsequent inspections much faster. Of course, we do remove 3 other frames in the centre to provide a space to dump the bees and queen into, but we immediately replace them, leaving only one frame on the outside farthest from the frame feeder missing for several weeks until the checks are complete and we are supering. The rest of the frames are properly spaced, of course. We never have the bees build comb in the wider gap near the wall. Beginners are often afraid to direct release the queen and are sometimes -- unfortunately IMO -- advised to leave the queen in her cage for slow release or for manual release later. Since the lid won't go on otherwise, they often leave a gap where the cage is placed between the top bars. This is where the extra comb usually gets built. There may be reasons for not direct releasing a queen when dumping the bees into he hive, but I do not know of a good one. We have tried it both ways, and cannot say *anything* at all good about not releasing the queen at the time the package is dumped. We have installed many, many thousands of packages over the years and would never, never leave the queen confined. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Thousands served... Article 25409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!upp1.onvoy!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!hardy.tc.umn.edu!laurel.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: David Kelley Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: my "split' split Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:43:10 -0500 Organization: Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate Lines: 25 Message-ID: <3940055E.E2162692@soils.umn.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: laurel.tc.umn.edu 960496909 5063 134.84.160.46 (8 Jun 2000 20:41:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@laurel.tc.umn.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25409 To the knowledgeable ones out there (includes about anyone but me, 2nd year beekeeper), Here's a perplexing situation that flies against most of what I've read. I made a divide about 13 days ago from a strong hive. Put in 3 frames full of brood, the rest of the frames drawn comb, a feeder pail on top, and a new queen. Came back in 3 days; the queen hadn't yet been released, so I released her directly with no problems. Went back last night (10 days since queen release) and the hive was empty except for a mouse that had taken up residence in the bottom. All the brood were dead in their cells and all the feed gone from the pail. I assume that bees from my other hives robbed out the feed from the pail once the bees and queen went wherever they decided to go. I though that bees wouldn't abandon brood this way. What happened? Why would bees and a new queen abandon brood? Didn't happen to my other split. Any help or insight appreciated. DK -- David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) Agricultural Research Service, USDA Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 Article 25410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Charles W." From: "Charles W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8hoh9j$6hr$1@news.xmission.com> Subject: Re: Moving an established swarm? Lines: 74 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:23:38 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.184.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 960495820 204.96.184.188 (Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:23:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:23:40 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25410 D.F.S. wrote in message news:8hoh9j$6hr$1@news.xmission.com... > I have a swarm that has taken up residence in the brick column > on my front porch. > > The home is 85 years old, and I think there is only one layer > of hard brick in the ~2Ft square column and a hollow core. Are you sure the core is hollow? Usually, if the column is not solid (as it is obviously not) there is a wood or steel column in the center that actually carries the load, and the brick is placed around it. If this were true you could take down as much brick as you need to to get to the bees. In which case you should have no problem removing all of the bees including the queen and their comb. If you can successfully remove the queen and comb with brood in it and a large percentage of the bees, and relocate it to the hive body, you shouldn't have much trouble getting the rest of the bees to enter the hive. Give them a few days to clean up the mess in the column and then brick it back up tight so you don't have another swarm take up residence there. You should also check the rest of the house to be sure it is bee proof. You mentioned below that you had once placed comb in a hive and the bees removed it and rebuilt on the foundation ... it would be better if you could carefully remove the comb, cut it to size and tie it into the frames. This would allow the bees to continue to use the comb, and they would fill in around it and basically "glue" it into the frame with new comb and propolis. If you are mechanically inclined ... I had real good luck using the "split frame" design as shown on www.beesource.com in their plans section. Very slick and easy to use! By the way, if I were doing this, I would do it in the day time and just use some light smoke before you start and as you go along. The smoke should keep most of them pleanty docile. If you do it at night, they may sting anything that moves out of panic. When I did a removal, once I started cutting out combs the bees just kind of "herded" to the sides. When I got all the comb out, I took a scoop (made by cutting the bottom off of a milk jug) and scooped up the bees and dumped them in the hive. Also, during the day a large percentage of the bees are out foraging so there are less to contend with. Your tan coveralls should probably work as long as they are in deed tan and not brown. > > Is there a way to convince the bees to move into the hive in > another way? > > something like placing the new hive by the entrance to the current > one and using an attractand in the new hive? There is a method called the "cone method", whick I understand works pretty well, but it would involve already having a nucleus hive with a queen, to accept the existing colony. This method also requires about six weeks to accomplish. > Could I clip the wings on the queen in the new hive and prevent her > from flying? > Would this keep the rest of the hive from leaving? Again, if you get the queen and comb with brood in it into the hive, they will most likely stay in the hive! Just make sure they can't get back into the column. > Should I expect the temperment to change a lot? Once they are settled in their temperment should return to normal. Hope this helps, Charles Georgetown, TX Article 25411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!ams-newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.speedport.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!grolier!club-internet!not-for-mail From: peter dillon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 22:34:59 +0200 Organization: Club-Internet (France) Lines: 15 Message-ID: <39400373.4FE00979@club-internet.fr> References: <8hog2j$mg6$0@63.68.71.52> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-44-28-246.wmar.club-internet.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: front1.grolier.fr 960496868 29294 213.44.28.246 (8 Jun 2000 20:41:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2000 20:41:08 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,en-US,fr-CA,fr-FR Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25411 Relating to smoker fuel,
As I need my smoker to keep going for several hours at a time I use dehydrated Lucerne pellets (Alfalfa). These produce a dense white smoke that is cool and calms the bees very well.
It is a little difficult to light (use old hessian sack), but once alight there is no worry about a smoker coughing its last cloud when a procedure is only halfway through.
Make sure it is the non medicated and the largest pellet type.
Peter Article 25412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <393E4C54.FF177B40@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hot knife VS plane ??? References: <393D7757.5E5B3FE2@uidaho.edu> <8hko27$86e$2@news6.svr.pol.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:16:19 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.248 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 960383779 24.92.236.248 (Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:16:19 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:16:19 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25412 Yeah, many times I have just used a long serrated bread knife, or one of those ever-sharp "Ginsu" types. Just used cold, they work very well, and are certainly adequate for a small backyard apiary. Tipping the comb forward as you cut helps to cause the cold sheet of cappings to fall away from the comb, and not stick to its surface. For only a few hives, an electric knife would seem like overkill. And it would sure cost a lot more. And it's no good on a ham! Peter Edwards wrote: > I use a cold 'ham' knife - works fine (I have just extracted the first 3/4 > ton this year). > "Matthew Pollard" wrote in message > news:393D7757.5E5B3FE2@uidaho.edu... > > Which is better and why for uncapping. I've only used the hot knife > > method. Thanks > > Matthew > > Article 25413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!chnws05.ne.mediaone.net!24.128.44.7!typhoon.ne.mediaone.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <393E51C9.D1EFF7DB@riverace.com> From: Steve Huston Organization: Riverace Corporation X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: division feeder loc and upper entr hole size References: <8hjv7p$pjn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:44:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.48.64 X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: typhoon.ne.mediaone.net 960385481 24.91.48.64 (Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:44:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:44:41 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25413 rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > > Two questions: > > 1. Does it matter where the division feeder goes in the hive? Not sure... I learned to, and always, put it on one end. Then you just need to slide the cover a couple inches to expose the feeder to check/refill. You probably would not want it in the middle, as you'd disturb the brood nest. > 2. If I am going to drill a hole in the upper brood for the winter how > big should it be? Don't know... sorry. I'd guess about 3/4 inch, but it's just a guess. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: NEED HELP IN ENGLAND Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:44:55 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 41 Message-ID: <394013D6.2466D053@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 960501194 29553 129.101.81.41 (8 Jun 2000 21:53:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2000 21:53:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25414 Can someone help out this lad? -Matthew Subject: ADVICE, PLEASE. Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:37:40 +0100 From: "moggy" Organization: Customer of Planet Online Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping HI FOLKS THE OTHER DAY MY DAUGHTER NOTICED A SWARM OF BEES IN OUR GARDEN THE NEXT MORNING I NOTICED THEY HAD TAKEN UP RESIDENCE IN OUR DOVE COTE. I LIKE BEES BUT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS AMOUNT OF BEES IN MY GARDEN AND WOULD LIKE THEM MOVED WITHOUT HARM TO THE BEES. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, WHO CAN I GET TO REMOVE THEM IS THERE ANYONE IN MY AREA THAT COULD/WOULD DO IT I LIVE IN THE STAFFORDSHIRE/WARWICKSHIRE AREA (UK). ARE THEY DANGEROUS, SHOULD I KEEP MY KIDS FROM PLAYING IN THE GARDEN, AND IS THERE ANYMORE ADVICE YOU CAN GIVE ME..............THANKS MOGGY Article 25415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How threatened is our environment? Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:43:46 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 39 Message-ID: <8hp5dh$d7u$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <20000601043315.29381.00001092@ng-fd1.aol.com> <393a3243.62355968@news1.radix.net> <8hensj$ikl$4@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> <8hmh5h$74u$3@lure.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-126.colorado.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 960502001 13566 62.137.57.126 (8 Jun 2000 22:06:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2000 22:06:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25415 Correct Martin (spelt PAMELA) - me stands corrected. Not sure how it happened - must be the effect that this newsgroup is having on I! "Pamela Buckle" wrote in message news:8hmh5h$74u$3@lure.pipex.net... > For the record, Peter, in the accusative case, I is spelt ME. Let's get it > right! > Martin. > Peter Edwards wrote in > message news:8hensj$ikl$4@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk... > > > > > I think the biggest threat is someone teaching our children made up > > > words like pollinize! > > > > > > beekeep > > > > Very true, but even beekeepers (who should know better!) frequently use > > incorrect terminology as a glance through recent postings will readily > > prove. For example, the use of 'hive' to describe a colony of bees in a > > tree! > > > > For the record: > > > > Bees carry pollen from the anthers of a 'polliniser' (the plant that > > supplies the pollen) and 'pollinate' a flower by depositing the pollen on > > the stigma. The pollen may then 'fertilise' the flower. > > > > The plants will, of course, be 'polliniferous' (i.e. bearing pollen). > > > > Another good word for Scrabble addicts is 'pollinosis' - hay fever to you > or > > I. > > > > > > Article 25416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!195.92.193.196!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 22:58:15 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 24 Message-ID: <8hp5di$d7u$2@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <8hmhta$7sm$1@lure.pipex.net> <8hnv61$n88$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-126.colorado.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 960502002 13566 62.137.57.126 (8 Jun 2000 22:06:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2000 22:06:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25416 > My son tried the dry grass a few weeks ago, but found that it burned > too hot - it discolored the sides of his smoker (and he burned his > finger on it also - he has never done this with the commercial fuel).. > Duane L. Rezac -------------------------- Dry grass is fine if you pack it down well once the smoker is going well. It gives plenty of dense smoke but does burn out fairly quickly. I have many hives on a local fruit farm and have a good supply of dry grass at this time when they mow. In my view the best fuel is well rotted wood - I have just hauled an old elm stump home and placed in the corner of the garden. I will break of lumps as I need them as put them in my smoker box in the back of the Land Rover. They light easily with a match when they are dry - no paper needed - and burn slowly with a pleasant smelling smoke. Sacking is sometimes available from shops that roast and grind coffee on the premises; the coffee sacks are not treated in any way, unlike some used for other purposes that may be treated with insecticide or other chemicals. Corrugated cardboard would be my last choice - very unpleasant acrid smoke. Article 25417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cyclone-west.rr.com!news.rr.com|news-west.rr.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: qualityram@yahoo.ie (Matthew) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive in a tree Organization: ACS Reply-To: qualityram@yahoo.ie Message-ID: <39401367.13965092@news.earthlink.net> References: <20000604081756.06462.00000536@ng-cq1.aol.com> <393a7329.78970725@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 58 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 00:35:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.14.82.209 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 960510934 63.14.82.209 (Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:35:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:35:34 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25417 Using rubber bands to salvage comb can give you a quick hive full of pollen/brood in starting out a feral extraction. Most feral comb will bend to fit frames if it isn't already drawn straight. Cut from a large tree you should find oodles of straight comb if the interior of the tree allowed unobstructed construction. Here's some important guidelines to help save brood: - Keep the brood warm at all times! Transfer the comb with bees attached whenever possible. - Keep the brood honeyless - meaning cut out all honey if possible. Honey covered brood will kill it in a hurry. Keep it clean by making your cuts below the honey at the tougher pollen layer. There's bound to be some honey mess so dump all brushed/vacuumed bees onto the old brood asap for cleanup duty. -Don't bother with 'mushy' white comb. -Keep the comb in the same direction originally drawn. Upside down comb will do nothing to improve your hive. Peter Edwards suggestion on moving all the brood over a queen excluder is good (isolate the queen below the exluder!) but you have the progressive problem of removing bees from their natural comb. The bees will build rather than rob spending valuable bee-time attaching combs together into one big super. If you use this method (saves beekeeper's time) to save brood, move the queen excluder ontop an empty super after 2-3 weeks followed by another empty super the next week. Bees will get the hint and move remaining honey stores down provided there's no upper entrance. Don't move the feral comb up until you're sure the queen is laying in the frames below. Take off the robbed out comb a few weeks later. Some of the meanest bees you'll encounter come from wrecked hives. Depending on whether the queen survives the workers may decide you broke their hive and unleash their discouragement on the first thing that moves. I remember a hive a year or two ago taken from a queenless fallen cottonwood mess. One of the workers waited for me all night long right and stung me next to the eye within 2 seconds of walking out the front door early in the morning. Since their re-constructed hive was on the opposite side of the house and it was too cool for bees to start flying, this is the only explanation I have for that quick sting. Neighbors ran for their vehicles for three days until my new queen showed up. Matthew Westall // Earthling Bees >8(())))- "Take me to your feeder" \\ Castle Rock, CO, USA >>was a hive in that tree (30 years) How can I get this into a hive body? .... >>I don't know if the queen made it through the fall, I'll probly get the heck >>stung out of me but I think it is worth, they must be a good wintering bee > >Actually, it has been my experience that the bees tollerate being >handled after such an event fairly calmly. I was asked to pick up a > >Greg the beekeep > Article 25418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39403E0A.4CC1FF97@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: my "split' split References: <3940055E.E2162692@soils.umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 33 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:44:59 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 960511411 208.13.202.158 (Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:43:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:43:31 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25418 You placed 3 frames of brood in the nuc. What about the bees? Young bees that won't fly home, or old ones that do? Next time, place your nuc above an excluder over night, and let the colony populate it with young bees. Next day remove it to your new stand, and give it a new queen. David Kelley wrote: > To the knowledgeable ones out there (includes about anyone but me, 2nd > year beekeeper), > Here's a perplexing situation that flies against most of what I've read. > I made a divide about 13 days ago from a strong hive. Put in 3 frames > full of brood, the rest of the frames drawn comb, a feeder pail on top, > and a new queen. Came back in 3 days; the queen hadn't yet been > released, so I released her directly with no problems. Went back last > night (10 days since queen release) and the hive was empty except for a > mouse that had taken up residence in the bottom. All the brood were dead > in their cells and all the feed gone from the pail. I assume that bees > from my other hives robbed out the feed from the pail once the bees and > queen went wherever they decided to go. I though that bees wouldn't > abandon brood this way. What happened? Why would bees and a new queen > abandon brood? Didn't happen to my other split. > Any help or insight appreciated. > DK > -- > David Kelley (dkelley@soils.umn.edu) > Agricultural Research Service, USDA > Dept. of Soil, Water, and Climate > 439 Borlaug Hall; University of Minnesota > 1991 Upper Buford Circle, St. Paul, MN 55108 > phone: 612-625-1909 fax: 651-649-5058 Article 25419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Italian Queens Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jun 2000 00:15:13 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000608201513.05980.00000136@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25419 Are Italian Queens hairier? Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39403E78.F5CBD5AD@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Italian Queens References: <20000608201513.05980.00000136@ng-fc1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:46:49 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.158 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 960511521 208.13.202.158 (Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:45:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:45:21 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25420 Only on their legs :-) BeeCrofter wrote: > Are Italian Queens hairier? > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Italian Queens Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 21:49:03 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 17 Message-ID: <39405B1F.61A045E2@midwest.net> References: <20000608201513.05980.00000136@ng-fc1.aol.com> <39403E78.F5CBD5AD@together.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25421 Look closer...if ya dare. AL Michael Palmer wrote: > > Only on their legs :-) > > BeeCrofter wrote: > > > Are Italian Queens hairier? > > > > Tom > > > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 16:47:43 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 65 Message-ID: <393EC2FF.4498EC1@midwest.net> References: <393E9274.446C0BE2@formida.com> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25422 Damp pine needles work better, once a fire is going in the smoker. AL Mark Gaylord wrote: > > dry pine needles work great. > > "Charles W." wrote: > > > I'm just a novice myself, but in answer to your first question ... I've not > > heard of any foundation (plastic or otherwise) that the bees did not have to > > draw out with their own wax. Therefore, when it comes extracting time, you > > treat them the same as any other. The cappings must be removed exactly the > > same with the use of any type foundation. Having plastic in the middle of > > the comb just provides strength ... used instead of embedding wires in the > > old pure wax foundation. > > > > As for question number 2 ... I'd like to know myself what common everyday > > materials provide good smoker fuel. I agree that burlap is sometimes > > difficult to find and I don't like the idea of having to buy special smoker > > fuel from a bee supplier. Any info on this would be appreciated. > > > > Charles > > Georgetown, TX > > > > Dusty Bleher wrote in message > > news:sjsso4kj2t585@news.supernews.com... > > > Hi all; > > > > > > Just a couple of questions: > > > 1) In the "old days" we just cut the caps off the comb to release the > > honey. > > > How do you it with these "modern" new plastic comb foundations? Do I pop > > out > > > the comb, and use a knife to cut off the comb right at the base? Or do I > > just > > > cap it and extract in the conventional manner? > > > > > > 2) Several months back there was a good discussion on smoking, and > > materials > > > to use for good cool smoke. I seem to have lost those references, and a > > Deja > > > search was pretty sparse. Could anybody remind me of the upshot of those > > > discussions? IIRC; burlap was pretty well acknowledged to be among the > > best > > > materials. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to find around here. I had > > > neglected to note what other materials folks were using... In particular, > > > someone had mentioned a pressed cotton block (I think). Any names so I > > could > > > research it?? > > > > > > TIA, > > > Dusty Bleher > > > San Jose, Ca. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 25423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:05:11 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <393E9274.446C0BE2@formida.com> <393EC2FF.4498EC1@midwest.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25423 Thanks for all your good tips, folks! Dusty "AL" wrote in message news:393EC2FF.4498EC1@midwest.net... > > Damp pine needles work better, once a fire is going in the smoker. > > AL Article 25424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!xmission!nnrp.xmission!not-for-mail From: D.F.S. Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Moving an established swarm? Date: 9 Jun 2000 19:57:19 GMT Organization: XMission http://www.xmission.com/ Lines: 93 Message-ID: <8hri6v$c90$1@news.xmission.com> References: <8hoh9j$6hr$1@news.xmission.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Trace: news.xmission.com 960580639 12576 198.60.22.20 (9 Jun 2000 19:57:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@xmission.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2000 19:57:19 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970327; sun4m SunOS 5.7] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25424 Charles W. wrote: > D.F.S. wrote in message > news:8hoh9j$6hr$1@news.xmission.com... > > I have a swarm that has taken up residence in the brick column > > on my front porch. > > > > The home is 85 years old, and I think there is only one layer > > of hard brick in the ~2Ft square column and a hollow core. > Are you sure the core is hollow? Usually, if the column is not solid (as > it is obviously not) there is a wood or steel column in the center that > actually carries the load, and the brick is placed around it. If this were > true you could take down as much brick as you need to to get to the bees. In > which case you should have no problem removing all of the bees including the > queen and their comb. I'll have to take a look. Worst case, I have some house jacks I could brace use to brace up the beams and remove as much brick as I need to that way as well. > If you can successfully remove the queen and comb with brood in it and a > large percentage of the bees, and relocate it to the hive body, you > shouldn't have much trouble getting the rest of the bees to enter the hive. > Give them a few days to clean up the mess in the column and then brick it > back up tight so you don't have another swarm take up residence there. You > should also check the rest of the house to be sure it is bee proof. > You mentioned below that you had once placed comb in a hive and the bees > removed it and rebuilt on the foundation ... it would be better if you could > carefully remove the comb, cut it to size and tie it into the frames. This > would allow the bees to continue to use the comb, and they would fill in > around it and basically "glue" it into the frame with new comb and propolis. > If you are mechanically inclined ... I had real good luck using the "split > frame" design as shown on www.beesource.com in their plans section. Very > slick and easy to use! I am, I'll take a look. > By the way, if I were doing this, I would do it in the day time and just use > some light smoke before you start and as you go along. The smoke should > keep most of them pleanty docile. If you do it at night, they may sting > anything that moves out of panic. When I did a removal, once I started > cutting out combs the bees just kind of "herded" to the sides. When I got > all the comb out, I took a scoop (made by cutting the bottom off of a milk > jug) and scooped up the bees and dumped them in the hive. Also, during the > day a large percentage of the bees are out foraging so there are less to > contend with. > Your tan coveralls should probably work as long as they are in deed tan > and not brown. Well, that is subjective I guess, "Buckskin" may be a BIT more descriptive. I'll be looking for whatever I can find that is more white. > > > > Is there a way to convince the bees to move into the hive in > > another way? > > > > something like placing the new hive by the entrance to the current > > one and using an attractand in the new hive? > There is a method called the "cone method", whick I understand works pretty > well, but it would involve already having a nucleus hive with a queen, to > accept the existing colony. This method also requires about six weeks to > accomplish. > > Could I clip the wings on the queen in the new hive and prevent her > > from flying? > > Would this keep the rest of the hive from leaving? > Again, if you get the queen and comb with brood in it into the hive, they > will most likely stay in the hive! Just make sure they can't get back into > the column. You also made mention of giving them a few days to clean out the old hive. Should I leave the new hive close, like on the concrete top rail of the porch for a few days before moving it? > > Should I expect the temperment to change a lot? > Once they are settled in their temperment should return to normal. I hope so, they seem like a fairly calm colony. > Hope this helps, It does, thanks. Article 25425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news0.de.colt.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Hirons Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast & Brother Adam Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 20:25:08 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Message-ID: <39414493.2EA0D672@btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-179-202.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25425 I was a bit disappointed on a trip to Buckfast Abbey last year to see the home of the Buckfast Bee and Brother Adam. Buckfast only has one book for sale by Brother Adam and the only area the world famous Buckfast Bee Breeder is acknowledged is in one small hallway area of a museum which has a mannequin and a photo. I wrote to Buckfast and asked why there is no exhibition or display area dedicated to Brother Adams work I was informed he was a monk first and a Beekeeper second. What a disappointment Buckfast holds for Beekeepers who make the effort to visit. What a poor memorial for such an outstanding Beekeeper as Brother Adam. Article 25426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!chnws02.mediaone.net!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39415290.E8AACE70@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: division feeder loc and upper entr hole size References: <8hjv7p$pjn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 20:19:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.236.23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 960581991 24.92.236.23 (Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:19:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 16:19:51 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25426 rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > Two questions: > > 1. Does it matter where the division feeder goes in the hive? At one side or the other of the hive body, usually. Against the wall. Another question I've had is: Where in a double-brood-chamber hive is the best place for such an in-hive feeder? In Sue Hubbel's A BOOK OF BEES, she mentions placing a division-board feeder in every hive, in the _bottom_ brood chamber, adjacent to the wall. Anybody know why this would be done, instead of just leaving the feeder in the more accessible upper brood box? Is there an advantage to having it down below instead? > > 2. If I am going to drill a hole in the upper brood for the winter how > big should it be? Generally 5/8" to 1" dia. 3/4" is pretty common. You can plug it with a wine cork when it is not being used. Just don't drill it _in_ the hand-hold, or someday you are sure to get a surprise when lifting off the box. Yowza! Article 25427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39419963.B4BF226@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepape: http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foulbrood References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 22:27:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.122 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 960589628 206.172.183.122 (Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:27:08 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:27:08 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25427 I bought my copy at Apimondia in Vancouver, only to discover it was available online a few weeks later. It's a great reference one AFB, but it's miracle sure, BURN IT ALL, felt a bit discouraged after forking out 10$ US for it, especialy after finding it online fir free. Al Banks Honey Road Apiaries http://www.honeyroad.com "Charles W." wrote: > I'm looking for a book called "Preventing American Foulbrood without the use > of Drugs", or something close to that. It is a small yellow soft-back book. > Does anybody know where I might find this book? It was supposedly > advertised in an issue of Beekeepers Journal, but I have yet to find it. > Any info on this would be appreciated. > Thanks, > > Charles > Georgetown, TX Article 25428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Margaret Nichols" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: city ordinances Lines: 16 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 21:16:37 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.75.170.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 960585397 12.75.170.231 (Fri, 09 Jun 2000 21:16:37 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 21:16:37 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25428 I used to lurk here regularly, because although I have never had bees, I've had the notion that maybe I could. Some years ago, about the time I decided to take the plunge, a dear neighbor was stung by a bee with very serious consequences, which very effectively caused me to re-think my decision. That dear neighbor is gone -- from other causes -- but now I'm wondering if city ordinances exercise control over beekeeping. We have a large back yard, which is contiguous with a wooded area, although we do have neighbors on either side. I'd appreciate reading any input from folks who keep bees in urban areas. Justpeace, Peg Nichols rmnichols@kansascity.com Article 25429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Success with Russian Queens part 2 Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 18:15:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.176.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 960592169 216.80.176.13 (Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:09:29 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 19:09:29 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25429 I recently received this response from Dr. Tom Rinderer Lead Research Entomologist, USDA Honey Bee Breeding, Genetics and Physiology Laboratory in Baton Rouge, LA regarding Russian Honeybees: <<>> > What characteristics can I look for in Russian Honeybees? Are they gentle, Most of the time. They will sting and on a day when bees shoul not really be opened or in the springtime when the population is old bees and the first one or two cycles of brood for the year they will be quite defensive. But overall they are quite gentle. > good honey producers? As good as most commercial bees. Do they use a lot of propolis? No, they use very little. Do they winter well > in cold climates? Yes, they are very good for overwintering. Do the have any resistance to Tracheal Mites? Yes, most of them are very resistant to tracheal mites Are all > Russian Queens black? No. They range from orange yellow to black. Many are quite mixed with all kinds of combinations of yellow and black banding. <<>> As far as my experiment with Russians is concerned, so far so good! -- Ed http://www.geocites.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ Article 25430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!torn!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39419971.9C943B35@sympatico.ca> From: honey.road@sympatico.ca Organization: My Beekeeping Homepape: http://www3.sympatico.ca/honey.road X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foulbrood References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 22:27:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.122 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 960589641 206.172.183.122 (Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:27:21 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 18:27:21 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25430 I bought my copy at Apimondia in Vancouver, only to discover it was available online a few weeks later. It's a great reference one AFB, but it's miracle sure, BURN IT ALL, felt a bit discouraged after forking out 10$ US for it, especialy after finding it online for free. Al Banks Honey Road Apiaries http://www.honeyroad.com "Charles W." wrote: > I'm looking for a book called "Preventing American Foulbrood without the use > of Drugs", or something close to that. It is a small yellow soft-back book. > Does anybody know where I might find this book? It was supposedly > advertised in an issue of Beekeepers Journal, but I have yet to find it. > Any info on this would be appreciated. > Thanks, > > Charles > Georgetown, TX Article 25431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.icl.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: division feeder loc and upper entr hole size Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:36:54 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8hs2j6$r9h$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8hjv7p$pjn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.115 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 10 00:36:54 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x60.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.115 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25431 rec01rec@my-deja.com wrote: > 1. Does it matter where the division feeder goes in the hive? > 2. If I am going to drill a hole in the upper brood for the winter how > big should it be? > Ron *********************************************************** Howdy Ron -- I have used division board feeders, but do not like them. Upper hole? It is hard to believe that a small hole would be adequate to let the moisture escape. I use a 3/8" opening year round and put a 1/4" stick on top of the inner cover or under the migratory cover. this allows plenty of circulation of air bottom to top. Fortunately I am in the sunny south where winter weather is not often a real problem. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joeblow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Message-ID: References: Organization: joeblow X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 31 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 03:07:47 EDT Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 03:12:31 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25432 In article , dusty@fsinc.com says... > Hi all; > > Just a couple of questions: > 1) In the "old days" we just cut the caps off the comb to release the honey. > How do you it with these "modern" new plastic comb foundations? Do I pop out > the comb, and use a knife to cut off the comb right at the base? Or do I just > cap it and extract in the conventional manner? > > 2) Several months back there was a good discussion on smoking, and materials > to use for good cool smoke. I seem to have lost those references, and a Deja > search was pretty sparse. Could anybody remind me of the upshot of those > discussions? IIRC; burlap was pretty well acknowledged to be among the best > materials. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to find around here. I had > neglected to note what other materials folks were using... In particular, > someone had mentioned a pressed cotton block (I think). Any names so I could > research it?? > > TIA, > Dusty Bleher > San Jose, Ca. > > > > > > I like the white pine needles too. I have also used those red pods from the sumac plant. Dried out of course. It is said to be very intoxicating to the bees. I used it on a very aggressive colony with good results. Has anyone else used the sumac? Buzz Article 25433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!qichina.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Godfrey Bartlett Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Essex Beekeepers Association, UK Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 10:03:04 +0100 Message-ID: <393F6148.43E033A@qichina.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 960454998 nnrp-10:7503 NO-IDENT qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25433 This is to announce, during the swarmiest year on record, that the Essex Beekeepers Association now has a Guestbook on its "Contacts" page at: http://www.qichina.demon.co.uk/ebka Please visit and let us know what you think! Godfrey Bartlett Article 25434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <393F7747.F20D31D9@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bears and bacon and electricity References: <8hmcs5$g89$1@campus3.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:36:56 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 960460528 208.13.202.146 (Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:35:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:35:28 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25434 I never have replaced the bacon once the bear knows the fence is hot. Never had a bear go through an active fence. Timothy C. Eisele wrote: > Just one question, though: how often should I refresh the bacon? > Every two weeks or so? Or should I just replace it as it gradually > disappears from insects and birds eating it? > > Article 25435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!europa.netcrusader.net!63.208.208.143!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <393F77EF.CAF3B5B5@together.net> From: Michael Palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net Organization: French Hill Apiaries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Maxant Chain Decapper References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:39:43 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.146 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 960460696 208.13.202.146 (Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:38:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:38:16 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25435 I used one for years, until I got a Gunness. I adjusted mine even with the top bars. SomeOne wrote: The only hassle I have is fine tuning the chain flail. I know how to adjust > the depth of the chains, but I don't know to what depth would work best. > Comments from those who actually USE this device would be more than welcome. Article 25436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!newserver!news.hwcn.org!not-for-mail From: "Keith B. Forsyth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergies Associated With Beekeeping Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:05:46 -0400 Organization: Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <8ho2ar$rcg$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> References: <8hef1a$6jd$2@lure.pipex.net><8hgcnv$1ut$1@news.smartworld.net> Reply-To: "Keith B. Forsyth" NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.212.94.205 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25436 Hi: You may wish to reference the following report: "Assessment of Airborne moulds as a Biological Hazard for Alberta Commercial Beekeepers", 1995, Gauvreau, H., L. Sigler, S. Abbott. Alberta Occupational Health and Safety Grant Programme. The work was done by Fairview College and deals mainly with indoor wintering facilities. However, it may have some applicable information. Keith Article 25437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foulbrood Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:16:52 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 91 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust146.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8hspgm$bou$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <39419971.9C943B35@sympatico.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust146.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25437 I bought my copy at Apimondia too, knowing full well that it was available on the web at http://nba.org.nz/pms/manual/ , and having looked at it there. Reading anything long on a computer is difficult, especially if you read like me and leaf back and forth or start at the last chapter before you decide if you are going to read the introduction, so if I plan to dig in, I want hard copy. At any rate, I did not buy the book because I was impressed with the logic and reason in it when I first saw it. Nor did I buy it because I think there are any useful ideas in it. I bought the book with the intention of writing a rebuttal someday when I have nothing better to do. That day may a long way off. Until then, I will offer this much: the behaviour of the bacillus that causes AFB and the conditions under which it causes what we refer to as 'breakdown" are very poorly understood by virtually everyone, including, I think, the authors of the book in question. Granted, if the bacillus could be obliterated from any particular environment and prevented from re-entering it, AFB could be defeated in the location for as long as it can be excluded. In my present opinion, this is not likely to happen anywhere for very long a number of reasons, including the fact that there is a large investment in bee equipment that is currently in use and, unless it all destroyed, there continues to be a potential reservoir with a long lifespan. Destroying private property is a political problem that is very sensitive in most modern countries. Currently, the price of beeswax is very low, partly due to the fact that beekeepers no longer buy as much as before in the form of foundation, so the cash from the destruction of the old equipment will not finance the renewal, and if crops are reduced in the years of renewal, that won't do it either. It *may* be possible to replace the entire comb structure of a hive within a year, but most experienced beekeepers consider this to be unacceptably costly in terms of lost production in that year. I really do not know. We are currently testing this idea and will have an idea of its practicality soon, I hope. Apparently Europeans are able to renew comb on a fairly short cycle. At any rate, total eradication of the AFB causative organism may not be the most practical solution either in the long or short run. If we understood AFB better, we would be able to know why some unmedicated hives can be given frames of scaly comb and clean them and raise healthy brood,a while other medicated hives on clean comb seem to be able to break down with no apparent source of infection. I believe the answer is -- at least in part -- in the genetics of the bees involved. I am not alone in believing this. There may be environmental factors too. Attempting eradication is a temporary and drastic solution, and may not be worth the cost if all factors and the risk of failure are considered -- unless you happen to be making a good living off going through the motions and have no stake in its success or failure. There may be other, more permanent and reasonable ways to deal with this scourge, and they will only come from a clearer and more accurate understanding of how AFB functions than this book will provide. Regardless of what other ways of combating AFB are contemplated, it is quite clear today, that bee breeding will be one essential part of any permanent, non costly, non chemical solution that can be applied universally. Moreover bee breeding can be effective regardless of the actions of fellow citizens and beekeepers. Eradication, on the other hand requires either a totalitarian regime to be enacted and maintained or it requires a measure of co-operation and honesty that is seldom found on this earth. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... > I bought my copy at Apimondia in Vancouver, only to discover it was available > online a few weeks later. It's a great reference one AFB, but it's miracle sure, > BURN IT ALL, felt a bit discouraged after forking out 10$ US for it, especialy > after finding it online for free. > > I'm looking for a book called "Preventing American Foulbrood without the use > > of Drugs", or something close to that. It is a small yellow soft-back book. > > Does anybody know where I might find this book? It was supposedly > > advertised in an issue of Beekeepers Journal, but I have yet to find it. Article 25438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dronelaying workers? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:22:25 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.178.232 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 960650532 212.151.178.232 (Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:22:12 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:22:12 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25438 Hi everybody! A week ago I started to think about changing the queen of one of my hives since the bees were aggressive and I found two eggs in one cell on several places (though the egg-laying pattern seemed to be normal...?). Yesterday, when I went out to take away the old queen, I saw this typical sign of egg-laying workers: capped drone cells here&there on the frame. Questions: How do I get rid of those egg-laying workers? or Is there a way of making the bees accept a new queen (or a capped queen cell)? Doris Article 25439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <394261FB.A99253D4@bellsouth.net> From: Michael Franklin Reply-To: msfranklin@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: city ordinances References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:42:53 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.214.31 X-Trace: news4.atl 960651775 216.77.214.31 (Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:42:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:42:55 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25439 I live 5 minutes from downtown Ft. Lauderdale and have 1 hobby hive on a lot that's 75'w x 125'd with a fenced backyard. I researched the city ordinances which only pertained to the keeping of farm animals in an enclosure. My neighbor decided (months after I'd already applied the "good neighbor rule" I might add) that he had a problem with my hive. He called code enforcement who issued me a citation for violating the ordinance about farm animals. It took very little education with code enforcement before they revoked the citation and gave me clearance to keep the hive. I've kept bees on a farm and now in the city. My experience has been that they are a little slower to develop in the city (any other's agree?), and I have to be a little more careful about when I work them to avoid any accidents with the neighbors. For the most part, I haven't had any problems. In fact, the prospect of free stuff has outweighed any fears the neighbors have had. I've even had a few of them come over to watch me work the hive, and a friend is now thinking about getting one of his own. If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me. Michael Franklin Margaret Nichols wrote: > I used to lurk here regularly, because although I have never had bees, I've > had the notion that maybe I could. > Some years ago, about the time I decided to take the plunge, a dear > neighbor was stung by a bee with very serious consequences, which very > effectively caused me to re-think my decision. > That dear neighbor is gone -- from other causes -- but now I'm wondering > if city ordinances exercise control over beekeeping. We have a large back > yard, which is contiguous with a wooded area, although we do have neighbors > on either side. > I'd appreciate reading any input from folks who keep bees in urban > areas. > Justpeace, Peg Nichols > rmnichols@kansascity.com Article 25440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: russ1026@webtv.net (Shari) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 4-H ?s Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:23:35 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <25504-3942A3C7-70@storefull-214.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRuDqrB++8zECQxr298qvprY8U18wIUEsVaK+ykGfdjGdreZajgNE+8Ilg= Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25440 These are the questions that she has left unanswered. She got many answers from the sites suggested - THANKS. 1. What is meant by the term crossed comb? 2.Why is it necessary that the broad frame size foundation be reinforced, but not the shallow extracting frame size foundation? She will check tomorrow for your answers . For the project this year she is to do the book work and make a poster for the fair that shows the uses of wax and honey.She will also give a presentation to her 4-H group, The Clover Blossoms , about her visit with a beekeeper in the area. I'll let you know how well her project does at the fair this year. Thank you very much. for your help. Article 25441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Eaglequest" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:06:01 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:07:55 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25441 The sumac pods are all we use. Works great with little ash. We have heard, from an old-timer, that it also causes the mites to drop. We had one of the best winter survival rates in the area and only treat once in the fall. I am hoping that the sumac is part of those good results. -- Jake Ameel Good-Rich Apiaries Oxford, MI www.Good-Rich.com "joeblow" wrote in message news:MPG.13a911685b72fe41989680@east.usenetserver.com... > In article , dusty@fsinc.com says... > > Hi all; > > > > Just a couple of questions: > > 1) In the "old days" we just cut the caps off the comb to release the honey. > > How do you it with these "modern" new plastic comb foundations? Do I pop out > > the comb, and use a knife to cut off the comb right at the base? Or do I just > > cap it and extract in the conventional manner? > > > > 2) Several months back there was a good discussion on smoking, and materials > > to use for good cool smoke. I seem to have lost those references, and a Deja > > search was pretty sparse. Could anybody remind me of the upshot of those > > discussions? IIRC; burlap was pretty well acknowledged to be among the best > > materials. Unfortunately, it's kind of hard to find around here. I had > > neglected to note what other materials folks were using... In particular, > > someone had mentioned a pressed cotton block (I think). Any names so I could > > research it?? > > > > TIA, > > Dusty Bleher > > San Jose, Ca. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the white pine needles too. I have also used those red pods from > the sumac plant. Dried out of course. It is said to be very intoxicating > to the bees. I used it on a very aggressive colony with good results. > Has anyone else used the sumac? Buzz > Article 25442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!194.176.220.129!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Ian Shaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED HELP IN ENGLAND Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:26:35 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 50 Message-ID: <8huepn$b8u$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <394013D6.2466D053@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-82.francium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 960675447 11550 62.136.63.82 (10 Jun 2000 22:17:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2000 22:17:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25442 If the entrance to the Dovecote is fairly high and the bees flightline away from direct human activity then they won't interfere with you or your children - you'll have the sweetest Dovecote around!! Ian Matthew Pollard wrote in message <394013D6.2466D053@uidaho.edu>... >Can someone help out this lad? >-Matthew > >Subject: > ADVICE, PLEASE. > Date: > Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:37:40 +0100 > From: > "moggy" > Organization: > Customer of Planet Online > Newsgroups: > alt.hobbies.beekeeping > > > > >HI FOLKS > THE OTHER DAY MY DAUGHTER NOTICED A SWARM OF BEES IN >OUR >GARDEN THE NEXT MORNING I NOTICED THEY HAD TAKEN UP RESIDENCE IN OUR >DOVE >COTE. > >I LIKE BEES BUT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS AMOUNT OF BEES IN MY >GARDEN >AND WOULD LIKE THEM MOVED WITHOUT HARM TO THE BEES. > >I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, WHO CAN I GET TO REMOVE THEM >IS THERE ANYONE IN MY AREA THAT COULD/WOULD DO IT I LIVE IN THE >STAFFORDSHIRE/WARWICKSHIRE AREA (UK). > >ARE THEY DANGEROUS, SHOULD I KEEP MY KIDS FROM PLAYING IN THE GARDEN, >AND IS >THERE ANYMORE ADVICE YOU CAN GIVE ME..............THANKS > > MOGGY > > > > Article 25443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!intermedia!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 203.109.252.13 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: Allergies Associated With Beekeeping Lines: 59 From: Ron Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <13025400.888b270a@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> References: <8hef1a$6jd$2@lure.pipex.net><8hgcnv$1ut$1@news.smartworld.net> <8ho2ar$rcg$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> Bytes: 2869 X-Wren-Trace: eAAlDQwVUhhTSgEMAFIOBzIaGBACSkMZSwIVQ1tESg5eVhlPXBVHQF1S Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:14:30 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.36 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 960676893 10.0.2.36 (Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:41:33 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 15:41:33 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25443 A great deal has been said about allergies to bee products. Much of it has been driven by medical practitioners/scientists trying to establish a research profile, or to discredit complementary healthcare products in general. We have been able to prove that much of what has been written about royal jelly, for example, including in peer reviewed medical literature, is false, falsified and even fabricated with false conclusions being drawn. Two well publicised deaths in Australia have never been established as being caused by royal jelly scientifically. Two coroners were fed false, and retrospectively interpreted data. In a third case, medical records prove that the surfie did not die from an adverse reaction to royal jelly and official records show that officials knew that. These official records were withheld from circulation, and two official inquiries. There is a myth that people are allergic to bees. Again, this is simply that, a myth. If you are allergic to bee stings, for example, you will not be automatically allergic to royal jelly, bee pollen, propolis or even the bee itself. Its a bit like, people allergic to milk are not allergic to beef. There is no relationship in science between allergies to different bee products. There is no scientific evidence that asthmatics are more allergic to any bee product and they are not more prone to allergies from bee stings. It is simply a myth. For a scientific report commissioned by the New Zealand Government, go to Nick Wallingford's marvellous beekeeping site at http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/scirev.htm and read two reports -- one by a NZ Parliamentary Select Committee and the other by a 5-person scientific review panel. You'll be able to read risk analyses undertaken for bee pollen, propolis and royal jelly. They conclude that there was no scientific evidence of significant allergies to ingestion of bee pollen and propolis, that cautions statements relating to asthmatics only should be on royal jelly products, and that there is no evidence that any of the three deaths, alledged to have been caused by royal jelly, were, although there was an association with use in one. Given the billions (literally) of doses of all three products used around the world every year there is a remarkable absence of adverse reaction reports; the scientific review panel concluded that propolis and bee pollen were extremely safe and that the risk of adverse reactions to royal jelly was confined to asthmatics and that even then the risk was very low. As for the false, falsified and fabricated data, that's another story that is likely to result in scientific misconduct proceedings. RL * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 25444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!newspost.theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "Ian Shaw" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Merseyside? Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:22:13 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Lines: 41 Message-ID: <8huehj$b4l$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk> References: <3936704A.2BEB1FCC@liv.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-82.francium.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 960675187 11413 62.136.63.82 (10 Jun 2000 22:13:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2000 22:13:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25444 I'm not sure about the Liverpool area, but do know there are very active strong associations within Cheshire. I'm at an Apiary visit with our Association - Aberconwy and Colwyn - tomorrow and try and remember to ask for a cheshire contact, or if anyone knows of a Wirral or Liverpool one. There's plenty of time left for swarms as many will be delayed after our poor weather lately; a local beekeeper could easily provide you with a stock because of this. Good beekeeping! Ian Duncan Robertson wrote in message <3936704A.2BEB1FCC@liv.ac.uk>... >Hi Everyone, > >In conjunction with someone else, I am thinking of starting a hive in >Liverpool. Niether of us has ever done this before and we badly need >advice. Can any of you put us in touch with/provide contact details for >any Merseyside beekeeping associations. Whilst we are in the process of >an intense reading program, we both need to talk to experienced bee >keepers and if possible see a hive. > >Do you think we are too late in the year to start doing this? > >All information gratefully received (direct e-mail preferred) > >-- >Duncan H.L. Robertson >Senior Experimental Officer, >Dept. Veterinary Preclinical Sciences, >University of Liverpool, >Liverpool, >England. > >Phone: (UK) 0151 794 4231/5344 >Fax: (UK) 0151 794 4243 >e-mail: dhlr@liverpool.ac.uk > > Article 25445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-feeds.jump.net!nntp2.giganews.com!nntp3.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39403875.EE368F35@povn.com> From: "J.F.Hensler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Italian Queens References: <20000608201513.05980.00000136@ng-fc1.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 19:21:27 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv2-0PQmL6WfiwOxQxUMaivBlnkMihdgd0XRDktkLs85uKN5epfHqSKLXl1ghN6VjESYCsu/0ZJay86PYpf!Wv8gUQWP9bWvAV1xDrREr+Y3ZA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 17:21:09 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25445 BeeCrofter wrote: > > Are Italian Queens hairier? I hear the ones from Naples are... Skip -- Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 25446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 09 Jun 2000 00:22:23 GMT References: <39400373.4FE00979@club-internet.fr> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000608202223.05980.00000138@ng-fc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25446 To light the smoker waxed donut shop bags burn nice and hot fast and then wood chips from the tree service guys burn long and cool. Add the chips slowly to the burning bag and pump. An inch or so of green just pulled grass will cool down smoke nicely. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: honeysticks? Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 18:36:43 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 960514276 204.244.87.9 (Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:31:16 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 18:31:16 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25447 Does anybody know of a honeystick distributor in western Canada or northwest USA? I am interested in buying some for a display. Thanks Normand Article 25448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!sdd.hp.com!enews.sgi.com!pln-w!spln!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews3 From: "gene/janice" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:34:52 -0700 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8hpq8k0ji0@enews3.newsguy.com> References: <393ec18f.2087150@news1.radix.net> <20000607212332.16804.00002216@ng-fk1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ridge.spiritone.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25448 I used a chainsaw to rip a dry holly log. Burns so nice and smells so nice but those long shavings sure burn and stick to the side of the smoker. Gene Blue Taz37 wrote in message <20000607212332.16804.00002216@ng-fk1.aol.com>... >> >>My favorite is holly planer shavings. >> > > Yeah, Me too. Try Pine shavings. Article 25449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!feeder.qis.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: herbcampb@my-deja.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 10:35:16 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8hqh94$l74$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39400373.4FE00979@club-internet.fr> <20000608202223.05980.00000138@ng-fc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.197.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 09 10:35:16 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x56.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.197.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDherbcampb Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25449 In article <20000608202223.05980.00000138@ng-fc1.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: > To light the smoker waxed donut shop bags burn nice and hot fast and then wood > chips from the tree service guys burn long and cool. > Add the chips slowly to the burning bag and pump. > An inch or so of green just pulled grass will cool down smoke nicely. > > Tom > > There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com > Ahhhh, thanks, Tom. I wondered if anyone was going to mention putting green grass in top of the smoker to cool the smoke. Very important!! That's our routine. While I'm lighting the smoker my daughter collects grass, or other green stuff if grass is unavailable. Mostly we use scraps of wood, including some rotted wood, and leaves. We've heard that grapefruit leaves provide a calming effect on the bees but that information doesn't help most of us. We recently discovered that hay strings work well. The old-fashioned kind made from hemp and used to tie hay bales. Most modern balers use wire or plastic but some of the old hemp string is still around. We roll up 2 or 3 strings in a ball and put it in after the smoker is going. It smolders and lasts a long time. Also use scraps of cotton cloth. Sincerely, Herb Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!verio.MISMATCH!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!dfw-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Charles W." From: "Charles W." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foulbrood Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:55:30 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.96.184.188 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: dfw-read.news.verio.net 960558931 204.96.184.188 (Fri, 09 Jun 2000 13:55:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 13:55:31 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25450 I'm looking for a book called "Preventing American Foulbrood without the use of Drugs", or something close to that. It is a small yellow soft-back book. Does anybody know where I might find this book? It was supposedly advertised in an issue of Beekeepers Journal, but I have yet to find it. Any info on this would be appreciated. Thanks, Charles Georgetown, TX Article 25451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foulbrood Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 11:04:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25451 beelieve you may find what you're looking for in the n.z.beekeepers website, an excellent resource at http://nba.org.nz/pms/manual/index.htm Article 25452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: city ordinances Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 2000 04:23:54 GMT References: <394261FB.A99253D4@bellsouth.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000611002354.09698.00002138@ng-mf1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25452 Track down the Long Island Beekeepers association. They have a prettty good list of common sense urban beekeeping practices. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: city ordinances Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:41:22 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 36 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust144.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8hv18o$1d4$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <394261FB.A99253D4@bellsouth.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust144.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25453 I'd like to say how much I liked this post. As beekeepers, we have to be sensitive to those we live with and sometimes we don't get our own way. If we behave well and don't make a scene, we usually get a second chance. People being people, we can usually recruit interest and support -- or at least tolerance -- from our neighbours. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... I've quit counting... "Michael Franklin" wrote in message news:394261FB.A99253D4@bellsouth.net... > I live 5 minutes from downtown Ft. Lauderdale and have 1 hobby hive on a lot > that's 75'w x 125'd with a fenced backyard. I researched the city ordinances > which only pertained to the keeping of farm animals in an enclosure. My > neighbor decided (months after I'd already applied the "good neighbor rule" I > might add) that he had a problem with my hive. He called code enforcement who > issued me a citation for violating the ordinance about farm animals. It took > very little education with code enforcement before they revoked the citation > and gave me clearance to keep the hive.... Article 25454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.usuhs.mil!uky.edu!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!saturn.ipass.net!not-for-mail Reply-To: "Jim" From: "Jim" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re-Queening Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:50:03 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.170.132.20 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ipass.net X-Trace: saturn.ipass.net 960731509 209.170.132.20 (Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:51:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 09:51:49 EDT Organization: iPass.Net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25454 Hello: About 1.5 months after installing a package, it looked like my queen was not laying. There began to be MANY drones in the hive. 9 days ago, I installed another queen ( I never found the original queen). After being in the queen box for 3 days, she was still in the box. I let her go down into the hive. Now, 9 days later, I can't find the queen, and there is still no brood. There are also robber bees starting to fight at the entrance. I put in the wooden opening to help the bees protect their honey stores. I will check the hive in another week to see if there is any brood. If there is not, what is everyone's recommendation? I'd rather not blow another $15 just to look at drones! Any suggestions are more than welcomed! Thanks, Jim Article 25455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bit of info, please Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:05:51 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 14 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust169.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8i02an$1cl$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <393E9274.446C0BE2@formida.com> <393EC2FF.4498EC1@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust169.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25455 > Damp pine needles work better, once a fire is going in the smoker. This is true of burlap also. On hot dry days, and/or when we are using the smoker a lot, we sometimes dampen the top piece slightly to slow combustion and to cool the smoke. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Article 25456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!wnmasters3!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: city ordinances Lines: 55 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:40:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.105.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 960741616 12.73.105.229 (Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:40:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:40:16 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25456 Margaret, A part of the certification to become a journeyman beekeeper here in Washington State requires research of the city, county and state regulations that impact beekeepers. I was pleased to find that our county and state have fairly specific rules and regulations regarding just about every aspect of beekeeping. From the topic of suburban beekeeping to providing bees for pollination. I found all the ordinances, regulations and laws through the Internet. I suggest you start your search on the Internet for you county's or city's web page. There will probably be a link to the county or municipal code, then search for bees or beekeeping. Your topic may even be located under farm animals. If your search fails, call the local city or county government offices and ask. I have since learned that in the early 1980's a group of commercial and hobbyist beekeepers came together and wrote the regulations which were subsequently adopted by our county and state. This was quite an accomplishment. Our regulations are even specific as to the number of hives you may have on a given city lot size, the set-back from the property line, fencing requirements, etc. The regulations of course also cover the topics of pollination, diseased hives and bee pasture. Here in the south Puget Sound region (near the Puyallup River valley) beekeeping is still seen as a necessary adjunct to fruit and vegetable production. However, I am concerned that as the farmland is converted to other purposes, at alarming rates, beekeeping may be seen as a nuisance. We'll see. Good luck with your research, Howard __________________________________ Howard Bowles, CPA (WA) For replies, remove 'nospam' from address. Margaret Nichols wrote in message ... >I used to lurk here regularly, because although I have never had bees, I've >had the notion that maybe I could. > Some years ago, about the time I decided to take the plunge, a dear >neighbor was stung by a bee with very serious consequences, which very >effectively caused me to re-think my decision. > That dear neighbor is gone -- from other causes -- but now I'm wondering >if city ordinances exercise control over beekeeping. We have a large back >yard, which is contiguous with a wooded area, although we do have neighbors >on either side. > I'd appreciate reading any input from folks who keep bees in urban >areas. > Justpeace, Peg Nichols >rmnichols@kansascity.com > > > Article 25457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!arclight.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.ksu.edu!nntp.ksu.edu!news.okstate.edu!not-for-mail From: Gary Johns Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: division feeder loc and upper entr hole size Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:32:21 -0500 Organization: Oklahoma State University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <393E5CF5.18ED7E63@okstate.edu> References: <8hjv7p$pjn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: x8b4e76e3.dhcp.okstate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25457 Ron asks: > Two questions: > > 1. Does it matter where the division feeder goes in the hive? I put my feeder in the frame position farthest from the nest (either the #1 position or the #10 position, depending on which side of the super your standing) > > 2. If I am going to drill a hole in the upper brood for the winter how > big should it be? Everything I've read says to make the hole 1". I've used 3/4" holes and they work fine for my location (Oklahoma - US). You could make a shim (Imrie?) to put above the top brood super or modify your inner cover so that there is an opening for the bees. I've used all three and the bees seem to don't care which. Gary J. > > > Article 25458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!brick.direct.ca!brie.direct.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Normand" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8hmcs5$g89$1@campus3.mtu.edu> Subject: Re: bears and bacon and electricity Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 06:51:41 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.244.87.19 X-Complaints-To: abuse@direct.ca X-Trace: brie.direct.ca 960471974 204.244.87.19 (Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:46:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 06:46:14 PDT Organization: Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25458 Little pieces of red flagging tied up on wire works well too. Somehow bears like to chew on it. Article 25459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Howard Bowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Re-Queening Lines: 42 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:12:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.107.84 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 960757972 12.73.107.84 (Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:12:52 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:12:52 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25459 Need a little more information... How many deeps did you install the package into? Were the frames drawn or foundation? Did you feed the bees when you installed the package? What has your weather been like when you installed and since? Is your main nectar source in bloom? Did you ever see eggs in any of the frames, at any time since the installation? Howard Bowles Jim wrote in message ... >Hello: > >About 1.5 months after installing a package, it looked like my queen was not >laying. There began to be MANY drones in the hive. 9 days ago, I installed >another queen ( I never found the original queen). After being in the queen >box for 3 days, she was still in the box. I let her go down into the hive. > >Now, 9 days later, I can't find the queen, and there is still no brood. >There are also robber bees starting to fight at the entrance. I put in the >wooden opening to help the bees protect their honey stores. > >I will check the hive in another week to see if there is any brood. > >If there is not, what is everyone's recommendation? I'd rather not blow >another $15 just to look at drones! > >Any suggestions are more than welcomed! > >Thanks, >Jim > > > Article 25460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!1cust174.tnt38.dfw5.da.uu.NET!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED HELP IN ENGLAND Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 16:27:09 -0500 Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <394013D6.2466D053@uidaho.edu> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust174.tnt38.dfw5.da.uu.net (63.17.167.174) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 960758831 4070188 63.17.167.174 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25460 This is good luck. C.K. Article 25461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!gxsn.com!not-for-mail From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:32:22 +0100 Organization: GXSN Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6q08kskndvaantgoa93edk2lfg6sql2hfl@4ax.com> References: <4mS$zMAhZrO5Ew59@kilty.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.171.93 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 960759680 1NNUCNF1GAB5DC393C gxsn.com X-Complaints-To: abuse@gxsn.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25461 Just a side question if I may. Is this because there is brrod to raise? If there is no queen then the bees stop bringing in pollen? On Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:04:49 +0100, James Kilty wrote: >If pollen is coming in there is a queen. Article 25462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: AL Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4-H Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 23:49:36 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3941C8E0.F1C546FE@midwest.net> References: <13836-3941BC82-33@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25462 Shari wrote: > > Hello. I am not a beekeeper but my daughter is enrolled in a beekeeping > project this year. Today we went to a beekeepers home for a workshop. > She had a wonderful time and learned a great deal from them. She is > working on her written part of the project now and will need some help > with questions. I hope that some of you could help with any that we are > unable to find elsewhere. Thanks Wow! You just invited a whole bunch of beekeepers to offer their opinions - get ready, you'll write volumes:) AL Article 25463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.qis.net!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: division feeder loc and upper entr hole size Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 00:11:53 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 20 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust146.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8hslmu$5t9$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8hjv7p$pjn$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <39415290.E8AACE70@cornell.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust146.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25463 > > 1. Does it matter where the division feeder goes in the hive? > > At one side or the other of the hive body, usually. Against the wall. > > Another question I've had is: > Where in a double-brood-chamber hive is the best place for such an > in-hive feeder? We keep one in the upper and one in the lower. That way there is always one on top, and we can feed two if we like. Don't worry about loss of space. There is too much room in a double brood chamber anyhow. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Article 25464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!qichina.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Godfrey Bartlett Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4-H Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:25:23 +0100 Message-ID: <39420983.66C1490C@qichina.demon.co.uk> References: <13836-3941BC82-33@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 960629159 nnrp-12:2618 NO-IDENT qichina.demon.co.uk:194.222.176.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25464 Hi, You might find Graham & Annie Law's Frequently Asked Questions useful. It's at : http://www.gandboss.demon.co.uk/bee_faq.htm Godfrey Bartlett http://www.qichina.demon.co.uk/ebka/ --- Shari wrote: > > Hello. I am not a beekeeper but my daughter is enrolled in a beekeeping > project this year. Today we went to a beekeepers home for a workshop. > She had a wonderful time and learned a great deal from them. She is > working on her written part of the project now and will need some help > with questions. I hope that some of you could help with any that we are > unable to find elsewhere. Thanks Article 25465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed.atl!news4.atl.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39426290.CAB49B80@bellsouth.net> From: Michael Franklin Reply-To: msfranklin@geocities.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4-H References: <13836-3941BC82-33@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 15 Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:45:22 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.77.214.31 X-Trace: news4.atl 960651922 216.77.214.31 (Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:45:22 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:45:22 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25465 I got started with FFA. Good luck to your daughter, and feel free to post any specific questions you and she have. Michael Shari wrote: > Hello. I am not a beekeeper but my daughter is enrolled in a beekeeping > project this year. Today we went to a beekeepers home for a workshop. > She had a wonderful time and learned a great deal from them. She is > working on her written part of the project now and will need some help > with questions. I hope that some of you could help with any that we are > unable to find elsewhere. Thanks Article 25466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: russ1026@webtv.net (Shari) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 4-H Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 22:56:50 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <13836-3941BC82-33@storefull-216.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhRmdT6xPCEHR7BhC7hv+dx5ZT+z1wIUBETESSNIxuF4QNuDhkIQjAk7lKU= Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.sgi.com!news.spies.com!webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25466 Hello. I am not a beekeeper but my daughter is enrolled in a beekeeping project this year. Today we went to a beekeepers home for a workshop. She had a wonderful time and learned a great deal from them. She is working on her written part of the project now and will need some help with questions. I hope that some of you could help with any that we are unable to find elsewhere. Thanks Article 25467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.btx.dtag.de!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Tennigkeit" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: h.tennigkeit@oxgall.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:14:55 +0200 Organization: Ox - Gallstone GmbH Lines: 12 Message-ID: <8htkkk$iag$18$1@news.t-online.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 960648661 18 18768 02286440222-0001 000610 14:51:01 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.de X-Sender: 02286440222-0001@t-dialin.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25467 Dear Sirs, we buy a beeswax 20 t /monthly. If you can offer us CIF Hamburg, Germany, pleasé contact us per fax +49-228-644 0 223. Many thanks for your reply Best regards H&E Tennigkeit Article 25468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon3.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 152.163.201.68 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: honeysticks? Lines: 6 From: Beekeeper Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0321cf72.234ede4f@usw-ex0104-028.remarq.com> References: Bytes: 264 X-Wren-Trace: ePDV/fzlouijsuH997nrrbbD4fr5urPp+LyupququOasuOKhr/6zpg== Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:43:15 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.28 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon3 960774947 10.0.2.28 (Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:55:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:55:47 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25468 You can buy honeysticks from Glorybee in Eugene OR, 1 800 456- 7923 There web site is www.glorybee.com Rich * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 25469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!nntpserver.swip.net!not-for-mail From: "STIG HANSSON" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <25504-3942A3C7-70@storefull-214.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: SV: 4-H ?s Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:57:11 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.151.182.222 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@swip.net X-Trace: nntpserver.swip.net 960789432 212.151.182.222 (Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:57:12 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:57:12 MET DST Organization: A Customer of Tele2 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25469 > 1. What is meant by the term crossed comb? (korsande vaxkaka) Not quite sure what you mean, but probably a "wild" comb which the bees have built between the normal comb in the frames. > 2.Why is it necessary that the broad frame size foundation be > reinforced, but not the shallow extracting frame size foundation? (I wish my English was better... : ) ) What is broad&shallow? Thick&thin? In that case I guess, if you try to reinforce a thin foundation with a wire (you usually heat the wire and place the wax over it and let it melt down) the wax foundation will break while melting. With a thicker foundation you can stop the heating of the wire, when the wire is inside the wax. If I misunderstood the questions I'd be happy to get some comments... Article 25470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quick Question Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 2000 14:18:19 GMT References: <8i1tbc$434c$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000612101819.26501.00003819@ng-fm1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25470 From: "RLNC" rlnc@prodigy.net >bet them that it was probably possible for a farmer/grower to purchase bees >for the purpose of pollination for his/her crops--rather than just relying >on nature to provide them. They say no way. Who is correct? Farmers buy solitary bees (orchard mason, horn faced, leafcutter) and bumble bees for pollination. While a very few growers purchase honeybees, most rent them. See the page below: Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Success with Russian Queens part 2 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:59:34 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25471 see this posting on the bee-list for photos/discussion on apparent non-attractiveness of russian vs.buckfast queens in mailing cages at: http://listserv.albany.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0006b&L=bee-l&F=&S=&P=2918 Article 25472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!btnet-peer0!btnet!mendelevium.btinternet.com!not-for-mail From: Paul Hirons Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping UK Club Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:54:41 +0100 Organization: BT Internet Lines: 14 Message-ID: <39436FF1.7E0C6E73@btinternet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-1-82-135.btinternet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb]C-CCK-MCD NetscapeOnline.co.uk (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25472 If anyones interested in putting up scanned images of beelkeeping, stories about Beekeeping or articles of any sort then please post them up on Beekeeping UK at the following address: http://clubs.excite.com/welcome/main?cid=190223 I would welcome any submission from any Beekeeping source, trade or amateur. Best wishes Paul Hirons Article 25473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <39451B3E.64EA2EA5@cybertours.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:17:50 -0400 From: Midnite Bee Reply-To: midnitebee@cybertours.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: web update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.121 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.208.65.121 X-Trace: 12 Jun 2000 13:13:50 -0500, 64.208.65.121 Lines: 18 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.98.63.6 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.cybertours.com!64.208.65.121 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25473 Greetings! Articles page has been updated: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/contentpages/articles.html -- Herb/Norma Holly-B Apiary PO Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 "an educated consumer is YOUR best customer" The Beekeeper's Home on the Internet http://www.mainebee.com Stony Critters http://www.stonycritters.com Article 25474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail From: wordsmith Subject: COPY WRITING SERVICES Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <0d9501a8.4db85423@usw-ex0109-069.remarq.com> Lines: 7 Bytes: 351 X-Originating-Host: 152.163.195.208 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here X-Wren-Trace: eCkMJCU8ezF6ajw1KXolIS8uGS0jISc8Iyhme3VvfjhwfCd5fjxydXVw Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:35:41 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.69 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 960835813 10.0.2.69 (Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:50:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 11:50:13 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25474 Need help with effective text for your web site, advertising, brochures, etc.? 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SEE US ONLINE AT http://www.buffalocreekhoney.com queenbee@buffalocreekhoney.com Article 25476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feeder.via.net!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Greg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Agressive?? Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:36:58 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.74.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 960842218 24.66.74.251 (Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:36:58 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:36:58 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25476 One of my hives have become very agressive suddenly, can anyone think of what this might be a symptom of?? Article 25477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What a disaster! (long) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:46:26 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 179 Message-ID: References: <393E9274.446C0BE2@formida.com> <393EC2FF.4498EC1@midwest.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25477 Thanks again to all of you for your valuable tips. I ended up purchasing burlap at a local fabric shop. I would have liked to try the rotten wood, but that's kind of hard to come by around here... The burlap was hard to get lit. I think I rolled it too tight. But once going, that load burned for nearly 6 hours. I think that I'm going to purchase and use one of those commercial "fuel" pellets. I don't do this for a living, and I won't be doing it a lot. I just want something that will quickly and easily light when I need it... Anyway, the reason I sent the original note was because we were getting ready to rescue some bees. Let me set the stage. First jump back 40 or so years. As a teenaged kid, I used to work several hives with an adult neighbor who "gave" them to me... Jump back to a few weeks ago; as the realtor representing my very elderly neighbor selling her house, notices bees coming in and out of a hole in the eaves of my house. Please don't think that I'm an ignorant dip-stick for not noticing them earlier. That eave/wall is on a "zero lot line" (very common here). Translation: on our side, the wall is a garage, atrium, and bedroom (it's all blank--no openings of any kind). On her side it's the front surface of her property line. While we've always had good relations with her, I never really went over there to inspect the blank side of my house. So I didn't know that there were bees in the ceiling and wall or our bedroom. As an old women, she rarely got outside any more. And while still mentally sharp and lucid, failing sight and hearing would have precluded her from noticing anything anyway. The buyer has several little kids. Through the realtor I learned that he was not comfortable with them being so close. So I knew that I had to get them out. Besides that, I had priced several beekeeper/exterminator types, and found the cost of doing this unacceptably high (upwards of $300), with no upper limit because they would have to tear apart the house to get them out. Cleaning and restoration couldn't even be estimated. They were going to kill the bees. Having had bees in the past, I was reluctant to just waste them. So-o-o, I decided to get all of the tools and equipment and start up a new hive with those guys. I thought that I would simply open the wall, and relocate them into it, keeping it on my roof (it's a flat roof). It seemed to be a fun thing to do with my kids and grand kids (wife thought it was a neat idea too). In order to get some expert perspective on this problem, I sought out a local beekeeper experienced in matters of this kind. I figured that with his guidance, I'd be able to recover both my prior skills and a fine new set of bees too. We carefully planned the time and date, and right at the appointed time, he showed up with hives, suits, veils and all that... Unfortunately, the local extermination company shown up an hour earlier and was well on the way to tenting and fumigating her house (for those of you far away, this isn't unusual and is pretty well required when selling an older house here in California). This meant that we couldn't be there in her yard at that time. My friendly beekeeper left and said he would be back in a few days... Due to schedule matching and conflicts, a few days became a few weeks... But the urgency of this bee move came to a head when I got to meet my new neighbor--as he was having an animated conversation with an exterminator that he had contacted to kill the bees. The exterminator couldn't because it wasn't his house, that's how I got involved in the conversation. The new neighbor is fresh off the boat from the far east, so English and our discussions--while friendly and congenial--were difficult. He thought that because of how the house was situated, he was responsible for that surface, and he just needed to have the bees killed (he thought they were wasps) as they were moving in, in three days time. Yikes! Time for action! A quick call to my beekeeper friend finds him with a dead truck, and 35 calls in queue. He can't be there before mid next week. Damn! Gotta do it myself. And this is where the fun begins... We organized and planned everything, and finally suited up. The day turned out to be remarkably cold (boy were we ever glad) and dismal. We had had a rain the night before (something virtually unheard of in this part of Ca. at this time of year). We smoked them heavily, and opened the wall. Man, I've never seen so many bees boil out of one open plank in all my life. The smoke kept them pretty well under control, but because everything was crammed into areas around joists, stringers, rafters, and such, nothing was well organized enough to find and capture the queen. I managed to grab a large ball of bees and move them into the new hive. But through the smoke, the sweat running into my eyes, and the swirling mass of bees, I couldn't be certain that I'd found her. Although I've seen and can identify a queen, it's a lot easier when you have an organized hive, and nice, clean, easy to survey, comb frames that you can turn over in your hand as she scurries about. Pulling off the boards broke combs. Cutting and pulling out the combs broke them too. In no time at all we were covered with and slippery with honey, crushed brood combs, and squashed bees. What a mess! You can only do so much reaching in with one arm at a time (all the way to my arm pits) trying to pull out comb, dripping honey everywhere, crushing bees by the thousands... It was no fun at all. When we'd taken as much as we could reach, we covered the area with paper, leaving a small hole through which any trapped bees could escape. Over the paper I nailed temporary boards (it looked like rain, again). I checked the hive several times, but couldn't determine if I'd gotten the queen. At this point it really didn't matter. I either did or didn't. If I did, I hoped that the queen would rally her troops in her new digs, and those troops would enter the old digs to clean up the honey. Between vacuuming and scraping, we thought we'd got the majority of them. End of day 1. Day two dawned clear and sunny. Given that I couldn't reach all the combs, and we could hear bees still in there, we decided that the next route of attack would be through our bedroom wall. We disassembled and moved a 700lb. oak bed, laid and taped down a plastic carpet cover, and hung plastic sheeting from the wall to the exterior sliding door--dividing the room roughly in two. We suited up, and dove in. Using a hammer, I began to pound the sheetrock and made an opening. We pumped in the smoke. You could hear the tone of the bees, they were less than very happy.... Next thing we noticed was that indoors the smoke doesn't dissipate. So here we are, sweating our butts off, choking on smoke, with a half a million angry bees looking for someone to love... To make a very long story shorter, we ended opening the wall from ceiling to floor, in an 8ft X 8ft. area. The wall was full of comb, broken comb from the previous day, and about 2 feet of what I guess must have been bee doo-doo--some sort of fuzzy yellowish stuff. Honey and half-dead bees were everywhere. We scraped and vacuumed, but seemed to make no headway at all. Yesterday, we'd moved the hive a few feet from the old hole, put on a queen excluder, and placed as much of the best brood and pollen comb as we could find and handle into the upper box. I'd set up a feeder and hoped I'd done this okay (given that I was 40 years out of practice). Even with our care, honey was all over everything. I know that at least some of the brood comb had honey on them. There was no way to avoid it, we were covered and slippery with honey... We had hoped that in case we didn't get her yesterday, that we'd find the queen today. Nada! So I went back up and checked the box... Nada too! A lot of sticky honey covered bees, but NO queen! At least the problem became simpler: the hive was lost! So now it became a matter of cleaning up and regretfully having to kill the remaining bees. The neighbor had 4 gardeners standing around (when they weren't running for their lives from the bees), and was clearly less than pleased that they couldn't work, and he couldn't move in. I took out the old wasp and hornet spray, and doused them where I could see them, and air-bomb sprayed where I couldn't. In about 20 min. only a few hardy survivors could be found. What I learned: 1) Exactly 60 seconds after we opened the eave, we were beaten. We and our tools were covered with honey, and it was impossible to work with a purpose. The tools kept slipping out of our hands, and everything we touched turned to slime. I lost track of the number of times I had to climb down off of the scaffold to recover hive tool, hammer, and pry-bars... 2) The bees knew the layout far better then we. They scurried off to places between the wood that we could never follow. We vacuumed them up as best we could. But we were little better than the boy whose finger is in the dike... 3) If I ever have to do this again, I'm going to kill them first, and then open up from the inside, working from the bottom up to keep from having the stuff drip down and collectively add to the mess below. 4) That it's possible to have a hive that yields more than 145 pounds of honey and wax in the eves and wall of your house. We separated our booty into nice clean comb honey (#1), from mixed comb (brood and honey, #2), and comb that was woven into (and contaminated by) tar paper, insulation, plaster, stucco, and other materials found in the walls (#3). The first group we greedily ate and enjoyed. The second was going to be melted down and filtered to recover the honey, and wax. The third was going to be melted down only for the wax. 5) Never leave your comb smelter unattended. The mixed comb and honey (the second group) was in a large two handled porcelain over metal pan. I put in an outdoor barbeque oven. Turned it on warm (around 150-70F) constantly checking the temperature. Things were going well. A light chilly breeze was blowing, and the temp was holding steady. Evening fell, the cold southerly breeze swung around to the north and warmed up. Now the house was blocking it. That meant that the cooling breeze had stopped. THE NEXT MORNING I remembered the oven. Ran outside, and found temp around 325F, boiled over honey, wax, and bees and bee parts all through the barbeque, and a honey, wax, grease, and soot flavored puddle slowly spreading across my patio from the grease trap overflow... After turning off the BBQ, the stuff collapsed into a charred caramelized mass of material resembling tar in both color and texture. 6) New hive tools are surprisingly sharp. I have the decorations and bandages to prove it. 7) A honey soaked bee brush does not move bees well. 8) For the $600 or so, so far, I could have bought a lot of honey... That's exclusive of: paint, sprayer, texture applicator, carpet shampooing, eave siding, and three more days of putting on layers of sheetrock mud between sandings. 9) Three day old bee suits continue to look good even after 4 full fledged wash cycles. 10) Being a grandfather beekeeper is a lot harder then I remember it being at 14... So, what fun and exciting things did you do this weekend? Later all, Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. Article 25478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeeds.nerdc.ufl.edu!news.uidaho.edu!not-for-mail From: Matthew Pollard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive?? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:15:04 -0700 Organization: University of Idaho Lines: 9 Message-ID: <394552D8.7EDC1028@uidaho.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: laser.chem.uidaho.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: kestrel.csrv.uidaho.edu 960844996 21134 129.101.81.41 (12 Jun 2000 21:23:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uidaho.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2000 21:23:16 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25478 Older bees are typiciall more aggressive.... is there a queen? Could also do with you smelling like your smoker. Are they aggressive to you or to evberybody? Greg wrote: > One of my hives have become very agressive suddenly, can anyone think of > what this might be a symptom of?? Article 25479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!news.nyroc.rr.com!news.rr.com!typhoon.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39455148.2593621B@cornell.edu> From: JGinNY Reply-To: jwg6@cornell.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive?? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 36 Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:03:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.92.237.107 X-Complaints-To: abuse@twcny.rr.com X-Trace: typhoon.nyroc.rr.com 960843800 24.92.237.107 (Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:03:20 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:03:20 EDT Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Syracuse NY Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25479 Greg wrote: > One of my hives have become very agressive suddenly, can anyone think of > what this might be a symptom of?? This commonly happens when a nectar flow cuts off, and a dearth ensues. Some colonies will exhibit this sort of "crabbiness" more than others, over the course of the productive season. Another possiblility is that the colony superseded their queen, and the progeny of the new queen have an inherited agressiveness that wasn't present in the previous queen's workers. However, one wouldn't expect this type of change to be so abrupt. (Were they fine a few weeks ago?) I have heard from veteran beekeepers that stress caused by a case of _disease_ can cause a colony to suddenly become very aggressive. Don't know how reliable this is, or how direct the connection, but you might double-check for brood diseases (such as foulbrood), mites, etc. BTW, I have one colony that came into Spring condition with a "new" aggressiveness reminiscent of the films about Africanized bees. Real "pelters!" I don't know what got into them. Perhaps they superseded last Fall, late. They are really hot-headed and nervous. That queen is getting the heave-ho, and soon, but it's too bad -- her laying pattern is remarkable -- one of the most solid and expansive I have ever seen! Just solid slabs of fine worker brood, practically filling entire deep combs. "Wood to wood," as they say. Hopefully as summer comes on and nectar becomes more plentiful, your colony will be back to their old sweet disposition! good luck... Joel Article 25480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dronelaying workers? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:42:31 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8i3lg4$o8b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.97 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 12 21:42:31 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.97 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25480 "STIG HANSSON" > How do I get rid of those egg-laying workers? >or Is there a way of making the bees accept a new queen (or a capped >queen cell)? > Doris ********************************************************** Howdy Doris -- For either drone laying queen (which you may have) or laying workers the rule of thumb is to take the hive 20-30 yards away and shake all bees off into tall grass so that the drone laying queen or laying workers will not make it back to home base. Then evaluate the colony to determine whether it is worth giving a queen, giving eggs for them to raise one, or combining with another colony. If the problem has existed for an extended period of time, it is usually best to combine. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!news1.rdc1.mb.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Greg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarming Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:46:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.66.74.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@home.net X-Trace: news1.rdc1.mb.home.com 960853599 24.66.74.251 (Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:46:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:46:39 PDT Organization: @Home Network Canada Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25481 I'm a new beekeeper. Recently both my hives swarmed. They weren't crowded because they still had foundation to draw out. There were queen cells in both but I had taken off the cells the week before. Could it be because they're in the shade from about 11 am till dark?? Any help would br great. Article 25482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newscore.gigabell.net!newsfeed.icl.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Ed" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Success with Russian Queens part 2 Lines: 25 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Message-ID: <2Zd15.2508$PZ5.51872@nntp3.onemain.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:08:13 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.80.176.114 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 960850878 216.80.176.114 (Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:01:18 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:01:18 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25482 Thanks very much for the information! I didn't notice any difference in Queen acceptance of the hives I requeened with Russians. Since all the Russian Queens I received were black, it is little doubt that they survived. So far, my Russian Queens are performing very well with brood patterns identical to my 3 banded Italians. The only difference that I see so far is that they seem noticeably less stressed and nervous (maybe due to less varroa). It remains for me to see if they have tangible resistance to varroa. Best Wishes, -- Ed "Barkin' like tha big dawgs an stayin' on tha porch!" http://www.geocites.com/RainForest/Canopy/1436/ Teri Bachus wrote in message news:ska2i93fh5129@corp.supernews.com... > see this posting on the bee-list for photos/discussion on apparent > non-attractiveness of russian vs.buckfast queens in mailing cages at: > http://listserv.albany.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0006b&L=bee-l&F=&S=&P=2918 > > Article 25483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Honey Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:23:04 -0500 Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.72 Message-ID: <39458b5b$1_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 12 Jun 2000 21:16:11 -0400, 208.24.176.72 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.72 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25483 sorry 2 gals off one hive. Larry "Larry W" wrote in message news:39453036$1_2@news.vic.com... > Since many of us in this NG could be classified as hobbyist 1 - 6 hives, Im > wondering what you do with your honey? I got about 6 gals off one hive and > am fixing to get about 10 more gallons off my other 3. > > Larry > > > Article 25484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarms and Queen Cells Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 01:45:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8i43nd$1u1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.234 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 13 01:45:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x58.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.234 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25484 This is for anyone who's dealt with swarming. I'm well aware of the crowding causes. I had a hive about a month ago that was by all accounts enormous for this time of year. They had crowded a bit an started about 3 cells,eggs and week old larvae. I mushed them all and added supers. They blew out a 6 frame swarm 3 weeks ago which I was forunate to capture. Today they tossed another one of the same size, which I also caught. I found the queen in it by dumping them on a box with an exluder on top and found what looked like a virgin and that's the only one I found. So far so good. I inspected the hive that's been puking bees and discovered no less than 2 dozen queen cells, most low on the frame (swarm) and several high in the combs (supersedure) All queens had left the cells or killed I presume. No living cells anyway. Now comes the question. I searched hi and lo for the queen in the remaining colony which is at least one very full deep super of bees and found maybe 3 frames of capped worker cells and not 1 egg did I find in 20 frames of looking. Is it usual that they swarm and not have left an active queen? I'll arrange to visit it again later this week but shouldn't there be a box full of brood when they split? I can fix the queenless part in a short while. but I'm puzzled any seasoned swarm fighters please respond... Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!atlas.lcc.net!usenet From: "nomad" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 20:47:57 -0500 Organization: LCC Internet Lines: 32 Message-ID: <8i43v9$fc8@atlas.lcc.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ncgd-pri5-a30.txucom.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25485 Ouch, I have been told that bees should get a good amount of sun from dawn onward, with some shade during the really hot part of the day. I have also been told that bees kept in great amounts of shade get mean and get hard to work. I was going to keep a couple of hives in my backyard in an old dog pen (with a concrete floor) but it received only dappled sun the whole day.(see it: http://profiles.yahoo.com/apiarius) After both my packages absconded, I decided to set up my operation in my parents sunny backyard. (I now have 6 hives) Now, the only problem I have is that two of my hives have had massive amounts bees hanging on the "porch" and front. This has been going on for weeks. The hives in question are double brood chambered with one medium super (I also have one "imire" shim and the telescopic cover proped up for air). I think the entrance is a small opening (but the bb isn't reversible), "Greg" wrote in message news:zDe15.353$hb7.896@news1.rdc1.mb.home.com... > I'm a new beekeeper. Recently both my hives swarmed. They weren't crowded > because they still had foundation to draw out. There were queen cells in > both but I had taken off the cells the week before. Could it be because > they're in the shade from about 11 am till dark?? Any help would br great. > > > > > Article 25486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foulbrood Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 02:07:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <8i451j$2nc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39419971.9C943B35@sympatico.ca> <8hspgm$bou$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.234 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 13 02:07:56 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x51.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.234 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25486 Although you may feel some sort of radical measures might eliminate this particular disease, nothing short of a nuclear blast will do it. I have been fortunate for 7 years to have never seen it. I haven't used terramycin for 3 years. I did this spring as a just in case sort of thing. Used equipment to be sure is very risky if you have no history on it. One thing that you may not have heard is that this particular bacterium lives in the feces of the wax moth. So you take a hive that's dead and the wax moths get into it and say in the spring your bees decide they're going to rob the honey out of it and voila. Instant outbreak. Keep the combs out of the wax moths reach and it'll do a lot to keep that vector from being used. I've used used equipment but I don't use frames but burn (destroy)them in a garbage can. Then I flame out the insides of supers that I use. Make a chimney out of 4-5 deeps on a dumpy bottom board sprinkle in about a 1/2 cup of gasoline and 3or4 open sheets of newspaper in the bottom and light it. It sounds sort of like a jet engine if your doing it right. It also seems wrong. the propolis runs like water, the insides get black and if the paint starts to bubble it's getting late! the best burns last about 25-45 seconds any longer and you probably should get marshmallows and a stick. then put the hose to 'em. I then scrape the ash off and put new rests in.(take the old ones out before you burn.) This method is described in 1950's photos in the ABC's of bee culture by A.I.ROOT. So foulbrood's not the bees fault entirely. Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What a disaster! (long) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 08:33:37 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <393E9274.446C0BE2@formida.com> <393EC2FF.4498EC1@midwest.net> <394567db.2565272@news1.radix.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25487 wrote in message news:394567db.2565272@news1.radix.net... > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:46:26 -0700, "Dusty Bleher" > wrote: > > >What I learned: > >1) Exactly 60 seconds after we opened the eave, we were beaten. We and our > > > What you should have learned: > $300.00 to have them removed was a real bargin! In the glare of 20-20 hindsight, that is indeed an astute observation...(:-)! OTOH; the $300 was only to have the bees removed. I would still have had to pay for the repair and do the clean up work. At least this way I got a new hive, tools, suits, and can continue to do beekeeping. Last night I checked the hive, and for sure--no queen! But it looks like some of the surviving workers have drawn out a couple of queen cells. I'm torn between waiting for them, or just buying a queen. The problem is, that'll put me well into August before things start to turn. As of this moment, I'm going to go with a new queen. I'll probably order her today or tomorrow... > > Since your neighbor wanted them removed he should have been approched > to pay the bill. I am in a similar situation. I have bees on a To some degree I agree with you. We've been fortunate to have caring and considerate neighbors for all these years. That's quite a statement in our ever less personally connected society. I think that if that expenditure keeps us good neighbors, it will have been worth it... Only time will tell. It's hard to have a meaningful and intelligent conversation when you're conversing by hand signs, grunts, and pig-English. But it's pretty clear that he didn't know that it was my house, and consequently my responsibility to take care of the bees. He also didn't seem to know that they were bees. He thought they were wasps. I guess in Taiwan they have some sort of nasty wasp similar in size. He thought they were like that. When he found out the were simple honey bees, he didn't really know what to do or say. I guess eating honey isn't a big thing over there... Anyway, they're gone, and he's happy. The only thing left to do (outside) is repair the eave skirting on that side of the house. But the weather man tells us that today is going to be a scorcher...so the house can wait... Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. Article 25488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:00:03 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 32 Message-ID: <394684B1.7A9464A9@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> <20000613082848.07053.00003638@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25488 Dave Green wrote: > I am concerned about the arrival of the africanized bees. What to do then? > Maybe I'll don the bee suit and put ice in the pockets? Dave, you might look into the yellowish "Michelin-Man" suit that someone in the southern U.S. has marketed and shown at bee meetings over the years - we had one - it looks puffy, but allows air to pass through quite well in Tucson. The only drawback was that it tended to snag on branches. Sorry I don't know the brand name. This is an area (beesuits) that could really use some redesign work. All you need is something holey that will hold the outer layer a safe distance away from your skin and have holes small enough to keep bees out of your britches. There is an advantage to having an outer material that bees can't get a grip on, but the manufacturers seem to have gone to tight-weave to solve this problem, and that makes it worse for the beekeeper. (Having one of those little fans on your hat helps also, but they add weight.) ----------------------------------------------------------- John F. Edwards Biological Lab. Technician "Feral Bee Tracker and AHB Identifier" - sometimes mobile sting target. Carl Hayden Bee Research Center Agricultural Research Service - USDA 2000 E. Allen Road Tucson, Arizona 85719 32.27495 N 110.9402 W http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 25489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.concentric.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: russ1026@webtv.net (Shari) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4-H ?s Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:50:13 -0500 (EST) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <10341-3944DC85-22@storefull-213.iap.bryant.webtv.net> References: <25504-3942A3C7-70@storefull-214.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAxaoQT4M02jVD8rAlJTKBg+K48IgCFFODqgL/itcHUUkjXWo1emwBaYoA Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25489 THANK YOU to everyone that sent answers to her last questions. Her book work is completed and she is beginning her poster when she gets back from 4-H Camp. She is having alot of fun with this project. Article 25490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail From: Steve Huston Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interpreting a sticky board test Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:58:31 -0400 Organization: Riverace Corporation Lines: 48 Message-ID: <39468457.C23652CA@riverace.com> References: <3937E173.BB8A739C@riverace.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ji1+ztsotPMeXUsqdAMuKTpxSna+TMbg6swuz5tS+/yBCny0U9a3TA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2000 18:58:48 GMT X-Accept-Language: en X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25490 An update... Steve Huston wrote: > > Hi, > > I did a 48-hour test with Phero-Tech sticky board varroa trap in one of > my hives (2 deeps, relatively full of bees). I counted about 130 mites. > > I did the same test in March and counted 3, so did not put in Apistan. > > This is in Massachusetts, US. > > Questions: > > 1. Am I in real trouble here? I got one email reply which indicated that 130 is not necessarily trouble. Upon inspecting that hive this past weekend, though, I broke open a bunch of bridge comb with drone cells, and found a few mites in each of over half the cells. The bees weren't filling the super they had on (other hives are) and they had gotten very "jumpy" - I could work bare-handed and not get stung, but it took very little provocation to get them bouncing off my veil and hat. So I took off the super and put in Apistan. Now (5 days later) there are bunches of varroa on the bottom board. > 2. I have 3 other hives in this yard (one is a recent split and has > Apistan in it) - are they likely to be in trouble too? I ordered more > sticky boards to test with, but they're not here yet. The other two hives tested 10 and 13 mites - another indication that the first hive was not handling the mite issue too well, and another factor in deciding to treat the first hive. I didn't want them spreading over to the others. > 3. Has anyone tried formic acid gel - what results did you have? I heard nothing back on this... so I went with Apistan (plus, I had some ;-) but would like to hear anyone's experience with formic acid gel. -Steve -- Steve Huston Riverace Corporation Email: shuston@riverace.com http://www.riverace.com ACE Kits, Support, Consulting (508) 541-9183, FAX 541-9185 Installable Kits at http://www.riverace.com/ACE_Kits/kit-store.html Article 25491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "doona" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> <39460058.41601568@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <7Dv15.2292$xX4.41620@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:06:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.30.240 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 960923203 63.36.30.240 (Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:06:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:06:43 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25491 OK! I'm a beekeeper! only having 4 hives and only getting my first bees in March, I check my hives with just a smoker. But they are little hives being new and all, and there is a honey flow on and I wait until the sun is high in the sky, and I love my bees. I have tried out my new bee suit when the bees wanted to reach out and touch me a little to much. I think Beekeepers keep bees using what ever helps them get the job done. Donna Just learning. wrote in message news:39460058.41601568@news1.radix.net... > On 13 Jun 2000 03:36:35 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > > >Hi, > > I've been watch Colony Div. and Requeening bee program and have notice all > > the fellow were only dress short sleves shirt, short pant, no gloves and carry > >a smoker, How in the world they do this with out getting stung? The tape > >showing those people lift the rack and kill the old Queen and replace new Queen > >with out gloves on. Rackon they spray them self with Bee Go? or Skip bath? Here > >in Va. I did have to use Suit because they will nail you real good. Can someone > >point out what is their Secret? Thanks. > > Tim > > They are beekeepers! > > Greg the beekeep > Article 25492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-feed.fnsi.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newscon01.news.prodigy.com!news-k12.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "RLNC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Quick Question Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 23:40:49 -0600 Organization: Prodigy http://www.prodigy.com Lines: 10 Message-ID: <8i1tbc$434c$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: idfab105-06.splitrock.net X-Trace: newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com 960788655 4050606 209.253.89.157 (12 Jun 2000 05:44:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2000 05:44:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25492 Forgive the intrusion into your group. Hoping you can settle a bet. (I couldn't find an answer readily online just by performing general searches.) I was talking to my kids about the importance of bees to agriculture and I bet them that it was probably possible for a farmer/grower to purchase bees for the purpose of pollination for his/her crops--rather than just relying on nature to provide them. They say no way. Who is correct? Thanks. Send reply to RLNC@prodigy.net Article 25493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.xtra.co.nz!not-for-mail From: "Neville Brook" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8i1tbc$434c$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com> Subject: Re: Quick Question Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Organization: Paradise Net Ltd. Customer Message-ID: <960788901.398650@shelley.paradise.net.nz> Cache-Post-Path: shelley.paradise.net.nz!unknown@203-79-75-245.ipn4.paradise.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b2 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:48:31 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.96.152.26 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 960788918 203.96.152.26 (Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:48:38 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:48:38 NZST Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25493 You are! RLNC wrote in message news:8i1tbc$434c$1@newssvr05-en0.news.prodigy.com... > > Forgive the intrusion into your group. Hoping you can settle a bet. (I > couldn't find an answer readily online just by performing general searches.) > I was talking to my kids about the importance of bees to agriculture and I > bet them that it was probably possible for a farmer/grower to purchase bees > for the purpose of pollination for his/her crops--rather than just relying > on nature to provide them. They say no way. Who is correct? Thanks. Send > reply to RLNC@prodigy.net > > > Article 25494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!verio!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!att542!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long before new queen does her thing Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 02:32:54 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 14 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust70.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8i26km$3r6$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <4mS$zMAhZrO5Ew59@kilty.demon.co.uk> <6q08kskndvaantgoa93edk2lfg6sql2hfl@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust70.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25494 > Just a side question if I may. Is this because there is brood to > raise? If there is no queen then the bees stop bringing in pollen? > >If pollen is coming in there is a queen. This is not a totally reliable indicator, and IMO will not give an early warning of queenlessness. Queenless bees will bring in pollen, however their need for pollen declines as the brood all becomes capped and the bees age. allen Article 25495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.131!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: honeysticks? Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 2000 10:48:07 GMT References: <0321cf72.234ede4f@usw-ex0104-028.remarq.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000612064807.07310.00002900@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25495 Betterbee has honeysticks also (Upstate NY) Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 21:21:46 GMT References: <8i6531$17e$1@campus3.mtu.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613172146.03648.00002798@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25496 >There is an >: advantage to having an outer material that bees can't get a grip on, The one I use is light and thin like a paper and is kind of silk like. I bough it from Auto Paint Supply which is real cheap. It come in white with band on sleves and legs. They use for paint shop. Some have hood, I cut my hood in half to make sure the veil cover it real good behind my neck. Tim Article 25498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Lines: 12 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 21:32:01 GMT References: <7Dv15.2292$xX4.41620@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613173201.03648.00002802@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25498 >I think Beekeepers keep bees using what ever helps them get the job done. >Donna > This is true, That is the reason I came in to check out the Webs site and trying to learn more from other experiment of whom who have been with bees all their lives. I just don't what to learn the hard way or waste my times. I am new here ( right now have two hive) and want to learn the Best and The Right Ways. So, You're saying middle of day is best to check on the hives? Tim Article 25499 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!localhost!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.dti.ad.jp!giga-nspixp2!wnoc-kyo-news!kyushu-id.ac.jp!hakata!133.49.4.14.MISMATCH!news.cc.saga-u.ac.jp!not-for-mail From: 00t599 <00t599@ews030.edu.cc.saga-u.ac.jp> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: $BLn5e(B Date: 12 Jun 2000 13:15:42 +0900 Organization: Information Center, Saga University, Saga, JAPAN Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ews030.edu.cc.saga-u.ac.jp X-Trace: news.cc.saga-u.ac.jp 960783378 7651 133.49.17.30 (12 Jun 2000 04:16:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@news.cc.saga-u.ac.jp NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2000 04:16:18 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25499 $B$3$s$K$A$O!*(B $B:G6aK;$7$/$F%W%mLn5e$,8+$l$J$$$N$G!"(B $B5p?M%U%!%s$N?M!":#$N5p?M$N=g0L$r65$($F$/$l!*(B -- $B5HED8w!w:42lBg3XM}9)3XItEE5$EE;R9)3X2J(B($B%/%i%9(BA) 00t599@edu.cc.saga-u.ac.jp Article 25500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!nf1.mgmt.sympatico.ca!news1.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3946AAF9.FDBD42A3@honeyroad.com> From: workerbee@honeyroad.com Organization: My Beekeeping Homepage: http://www.honeyroad.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:41:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.172.183.233 X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 960932516 206.172.183.233 (Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:41:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:41:56 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25500 Sell it, there are many ways of selling honey and getting others to do it for you. Dont let the bees be a financial burden, let the bees pay for themselves. Everyone (mostly) loves honey. If you need some ideas, feel free to email me. Allen Banks Honey Road Apiairies http://www.honeyroad.com Larry W wrote: > Since many of us in this NG could be classified as hobbyist 1 - 6 hives, Im > wondering what you do with your honey? I got about 6 gals off one hive and > am fixing to get about 10 more gallons off my other 3. > > Larry Article 25501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: 13 Jun 2000 20:20:49 GMT Organization: Michigan Technological University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <8i6531$17e$1@campus3.mtu.edu> References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> <20000613082848.07053.00003638@ng-cc1.aol.com> <394684B1.7A9464A9@tucson.ars.ag.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: hornet.my.mtu.edu X-Trace: campus3.mtu.edu 960927649 1262 141.219.67.30 (13 Jun 2000 20:20:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@mtu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2000 20:20:49 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.7] Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25501 John Edwards wrote: : Dave, you might look into the yellowish "Michelin-Man" suit that someone in the : southern U.S. has marketed and shown at bee meetings over the years - we had one - : it looks puffy, but allows air to pass through quite well in Tucson. The only : drawback was that it tended to snag on branches. Sorry I don't know the brand name. : This is an area (beesuits) that could really use some redesign work. All you need : is something holey that will hold the outer layer a safe distance away from your : skin and have holes small enough to keep bees out of your britches. There is an : advantage to having an outer material that bees can't get a grip on, but the : manufacturers seem to have gone to tight-weave to solve this problem, and that : makes it worse for the beekeeper. : (Having one of those little fans on your hat helps also, but they add weight.) : ----------------------------------------------------------- For that matter, I have one of those "bug baffler" shirts (a puffy, mesh shirt with holes big enough to keep out mosquitos), that seems to work OK. It is cool, light, works *very* well at keeping out the mosquitos and black flies (which were what I really got it for in the first place, I've got a *really bad* black fly problem around my house in the spring), and the couple of times I wore it around the bees, it seemed to work just fine keeping them away, too. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 25502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newspush.london1.eu.level3.net!level3eu!skynet.be!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Allergies Associated With Beekeeping Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:34:24 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 71 Message-ID: <8i6e1l$hpa$1@lure.pipex.net> References: <8hef1a$6jd$2@lure.pipex.net><8hgcnv$1ut$1@news.smartworld.net> <8ho2ar$rcg$1@mohawk.hwcn.org> <13025400.888b270a@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdm75.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 960936821 18218 62.188.4.95 (13 Jun 2000 22:53:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2000 22:53:41 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25502 Nothing false about the bleeding cracks all over the palms of my hands when I get propolis on them. Sounds as if you might just have a slight financial interest in selling royal jelly, Ron. Methinks the merchant doth protest too much! Martin. Ron Law wrote in message news:13025400.888b270a@usw-ex0104-033.remarq.com... > A great deal has been said about allergies to bee products. Much > of it has been driven by medical practitioners/scientists trying > to establish a research profile, or to discredit complementary > healthcare products in general. > > We have been able to prove that much of what has been written > about royal jelly, for example, including in peer reviewed > medical literature, is false, falsified and even fabricated with > false conclusions being drawn. Two well publicised deaths in > Australia have never been established as being caused by royal > jelly scientifically. Two coroners were fed false, and > retrospectively interpreted data. In a third case, medical > records prove that the surfie did not die from an adverse > reaction to royal jelly and official records show that officials > knew that. These official records were withheld from > circulation, and two official inquiries. > > > There is a myth that people are allergic to bees. Again, this is > simply that, a myth. If you are allergic to bee stings, for > example, you will not be automatically allergic to royal jelly, > bee pollen, propolis or even the bee itself. Its a bit like, > people allergic to milk are not allergic to beef. There is no > relationship in science between allergies to different bee > products. There is no scientific evidence that asthmatics are > more allergic to any bee product and they are not more prone to > allergies from bee stings. It is simply a myth. > > For a scientific report commissioned by the New Zealand > Government, go to Nick Wallingford's marvellous beekeeping site > at http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/scirev.htm and read two reports -- > one by a NZ Parliamentary Select Committee and the other by a > 5-person scientific review panel. > > You'll be able to read risk analyses undertaken for bee pollen, > propolis and royal jelly. They conclude that there was no > scientific evidence of significant allergies to ingestion of bee > pollen and propolis, that cautions statements relating to > asthmatics only should be on royal jelly products, and that > there is no evidence that any of the three deaths, alledged to > have been caused by royal jelly, were, although there was an > association with use in one. > > Given the billions (literally) of doses of all three products > used around the world every year there is a remarkable absence > of adverse reaction reports; the scientific review panel > concluded that propolis and bee pollen were extremely safe and > that the risk of adverse reactions to royal jelly was confined > to asthmatics and that even then the risk was very low. > > As for the false, falsified and fabricated data, that's another > story that is likely to result in scientific misconduct > proceedings. > > RL > > > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! > Article 25503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Pamela Buckle" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What a disaster! (long) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 23:46:38 +0100 Organization: UUNET WorldCom server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET WorldCom Lines: 28 Message-ID: <8i6e1n$hpa$2@lure.pipex.net> References: <393E9274.446C0BE2@formida.com> <393EC2FF.4498EC1@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: userdm75.uk.uudial.com X-Trace: lure.pipex.net 960936823 18218 62.188.4.95 (13 Jun 2000 22:53:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 2000 22:53:43 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25503 Dusty, you had a lifetime's beekeeping disaster in one experience - What stamina! What powerful descriptive writing! I almost felt the pain and the slippery honey covered scene. One of the few postings I have felt compelled to print out and save to show to other beekeepers! Rather you than me. My own worst experience was pushing a wheelbarrow across a field at midnight when the wheel went down a hole and the hive I was moving rolled upside down with all the boxes twisted to allow triangular holes at the corners. Do you know that little 'Zip, zip' noise that bees make as they crawl all over you in the dark looking for holes in your clothing? Martin. Dusty Bleher wrote in message news:skaj0gfvh5159@news.supernews.com... > Thanks again to all of you for your valuable tips> ......... (lots clipped out) > So, what fun and exciting things did you do this weekend? > > Later all, > Dusty Bleher > San Jose, Ca. > > Article 25504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Comb Sections Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 21:48:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613174835.03648.00002805@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25504 Has anyone has experience with new round comb sections? Is it true they saying it was easy and simple job to collect the honey? Thanks. Article 25505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 22:01:17 GMT References: <3945bf8a_2@news.vic.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613180117.03648.00002808@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25505 > >I have been giving some away but buying the jars and giving it ALL away also >just don't seem right somehow. > >Larry > Hi Larry, Just a though, If your friend having brush haul tractor or anything u need, Would it be cheaper give your friend a honey than rent one? I have my Realtor sold my house for 7 quart of honey. He said he don't like store honey because it a sugar feed. He can taste the different. Think of this, 7 Quart of honey is like 7 Thousand of dollar Realtor comm. fee. Tim Article 25506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!spamz.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bugs Zapper for Moth Lines: 10 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jun 2000 00:15:36 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613201536.21948.00000568@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25506 Hey Guys, Let trade some of experience about working with Bees and Saving time and money. My Father have 16 hive, four of them have Wax moth ( worm ) inside which have done alot of damage last year. This Year, We install Bugs Zapper near the hive to kill all the moth. So far, only one have wax moth. It seem to us that Bugs Zapper were doing pretty good job. One Bugs Zapper is cheaper than one truck load of moth balls. LOL. Tim Article 25507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dumb mistake, need help Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:15:32 -0500 Lines: 22 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.53 Message-ID: <3946cd11_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 13 Jun 2000 20:08:49 -0400, 208.24.176.53 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.53 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25507 Today I started extracting my newest hives, I pulled 13 super frames. I put them 2 at a time in the extractor and started to spin it, no matter how slow I spun it I blew out the frames. I went through about 6 of them before I realized what the problem was. 2 months ago I bought 30 super frames and wax. from a place in NC I wont mention the name but the initials are BM. I originally ordered duraguilt but after consulting the NG I decided to change it to standard was, so I reordered the proper frames but they sent me split bottom bars. Not wanting to return them and reorder I built all my super frames with split bottom bars. So when I spun the frames the wires lifted up out of the bottom bars and broke the wax. I couldn't even get al the honey out. The question is what do I do to repair the damage? Can I somehow just replace the bottom bars? Should I order some new bottom bars. Does anybody know an easier fix? Do I have to replace the wax that's broken? Any Ideas would be appreciated. I just put the frames back on the hive to get them cleaned up. Thanks Larry Article 25508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.cwix.com!atlas.lcc.net!usenet From: "nomad" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:35:22 -0500 Organization: LCC Internet Lines: 47 Message-ID: <8i6d25$hd6@atlas.lcc.net> References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> <39460058.41601568@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ncgd-pri5-a74.txucom.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25508 wrote in message news:39460058.41601568@news1.radix.net... > On 13 Jun 2000 03:36:35 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: > > >Hi, > > I've been watch Colony Div. and Requeening bee program and have notice all > > the fellow were only dress short sleves shirt, short pant, no gloves and carry > >a smoker, How in the world they do this with out getting stung? The tape > >showing those people lift the rack and kill the old Queen and replace new Queen > >with out gloves on. Rackon they spray them self with Bee Go? or Skip bath? Here > >in Va. I did have to use Suit because they will nail you real good. Can someone > >point out what is their Secret? Thanks. > > Tim > > They are beekeepers! > > Greg the beekeep > That and Bees won't sting for scale and their union forbids them to do their own stunts. :) Thats the only way I can Explain it. I'm a newbie here with 6 hives. I found out (hard way) that the Dadant XXL Long suit was a tad to small for me. Everywhere the suit cloth grew tight the bees could sting thru with easy. So I when back and bought a 4xl Mountain bee suit (twice the cost). Expensive, but I hope it pays off in fewer stings and longer wear. I heard Dadant was planning to quit carrying them. Too bad they were the one suit that came in my size. You always need a veil to protect your face. But I find that a suit is often optional and the gloves are a bit clumsy for most work. But when the bees are tetchy and you have to work'em it's good to have a suit on hand. I've been stung 10-15 times at least (many on the same day) with no ill effects. But the other day I got one sting on my finger and my finger was swollen for three days. guess the easy part is over :(. Pass the Benedryl. Article 25509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Why@me.com (SomeOne) Subject: Re: Comb Sections References: <20000613174835.03648.00002805@ng-ba1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 13 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:26:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.38.18.133 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 960942685 38.38.18.133 (Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:31:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:31:25 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25509 In article <20000613174835.03648.00002805@ng-ba1.aol.com>, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >Has anyone has experience with new round comb sections? Is it true they saying >it was easy and simple job to collect the honey? Thanks. I use them. They are a lot cleaner to package and present. No draining is involved. The bees do fill them out quite well BUT, ( you saw this coming didn't you? ) you still need to make sure there is a flow going on and if they don't fill the properly they are hard to salvage ( the honey that is ) you can easily clean the rings and reuse them. Over all, they are a blessing in my operation. :) Article 25510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8i6531$17e$1@campus3.mtu.edu> <20000613172146.03648.00002798@ng-ba1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:50:05 -0500 Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.53 Message-ID: <3946c7a5_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 13 Jun 2000 19:45:41 -0400, 208.24.176.53 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.53 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25510 That one is probley Tyvek. Its almost impossible to tear right? Very slick? They make disposable suits out of it but it doesn't breath at all. I use a large twill cotton baggy shirt with a waist band and wrist bands and a large pair of twill pants that drag the ground NO bands on the ankles. However its still HOT. Where can I get one of those fan hats? Larry "Blue Taz37" wrote in message news:20000613172146.03648.00002798@ng-ba1.aol.com... > >There is an > >: advantage to having an outer material that bees can't get a grip on, > > The one I use is light and thin like a paper and is kind of silk like. I bough > it from Auto Paint Supply which is real cheap. It come in white with band on > sleves and legs. They use for paint shop. Some have hood, I cut my hood in > half to make sure the veil cover it real good behind my neck. > Tim Article 25511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> <20000613084802.07053.00003643@ng-cc1.aol.com> Subject: Re: Honey Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:52:25 -0500 Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.53 Message-ID: <3946c7a6$1_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 13 Jun 2000 19:45:42 -0400, 208.24.176.53 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.53 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25511 Hey if I valued my time and equipment by now it would be about $100 per quart. Larry "Dave Green" wrote in message news:20000613084802.07053.00003643@ng-cc1.aol.com... > From: "Larry W" larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net > > >Since many of us in this NG could be classified as hobbyist 1 - 6 hives, Im > >wondering what you do with your honey? I got about 6 gals off one hive and > >am fixing to get about 10 more gallons off my other 3. > > When you reach the point where you can't use it all, and you can't give it > all away, you come to the point of selling it. > > Bee aware that this is a quantum leap. Once you sell you product, it is > subject to many laws. Health inspectors in most US states will not allow you to > sell honey that is packaged on your kitchen counter. > > So get information on label laws, acceptable packing procedures and > equipment, etc. Much of this is online now. > > Years ago, when I put honey into our local produce stand the first time; the > inspector was at my door within about two weeks. He's been a frequent visitor > ever since. > > One more thing. Hobbyists sometimes make it tough for those of us who make > a living from honey sales, because you don't value your time. Keep your prices > in line with the market, and we'll all make a fair return. > > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive?? Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 09:26:24 GMT References: <394552D8.7EDC1028@uidaho.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613052624.12699.00000086@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25512 I had that problem earlier this year and other beekeepers suggested (a) re-queening, and (b) splitting the hive up--moving some of the frames and brood, and (c) moving much of the hive, after killing the queen to another nearby hive and letting the works fly back to an empty (or non-existent) hive at the old location. I did this and it solved the problem. avxtent0- Article 25513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> <3946AAF9.FDBD42A3@honeyroad.com> Subject: Re: Honey Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:55:49 -0500 Lines: 36 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.53 Message-ID: <3946c871_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 13 Jun 2000 19:49:05 -0400, 208.24.176.53 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.53 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25513 Thanks all a lot of good advice. I live in the boonies and suppose I could sell it at a roadside stand nearest one is about 20 miles from here. I thought about putting a sign on a neighbors yard, I live off the main road. I have already given away all of my first extraction, about 2 gals. I don't know that many people around here. If I try to sell it Ill try to keep the price just a little below the store price. It sure would be nice to recover some of the cost and maybe make enough to buy a better extractor. Larry wrote in message news:3946AAF9.FDBD42A3@honeyroad.com... > Sell it, there are many ways of selling honey and getting others to do it for > you. Dont let the bees be a financial burden, let the bees pay for themselves. > Everyone (mostly) loves honey. If you need some ideas, feel free to email me. > > Allen Banks > Honey Road Apiairies > http://www.honeyroad.com > > Larry W wrote: > > > Since many of us in this NG could be classified as hobbyist 1 - 6 hives, Im > > wondering what you do with your honey? I got about 6 gals off one hive and > > am fixing to get about 10 more gallons off my other 3. > > > > Larry > Article 25514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attmtf!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:24:21 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 53 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust202.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8i6bpl$iu0$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> <20000613082848.07053.00003638@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust202.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25514 > I rarely wear more than a t-shirt and veil when working bees. Suit yourself, Dave, but I like to wear pants too:) > I could not wear a bee suit; I have enough problems with heat exhaustion as > it is. Actually, as I get older, I do wear a bee suit a lot of the time, and I wear it to stay cool as much as anything. It is also a fast way to dress in the morning. But I don't just wear any bee suit. I wear a XXXL made of very light material, and I wear only undershorts underneath on warm days. Boxers or briefs? That would be telling, wouldn't it? The baggy suit is very comfortable -- and cool. I wear it for the sun more than for the bees, and since I change it often, it is nice and clean. I sometimes carry a spare. The white reflects the sun and is cool compared to bare skin, which is what was mostly exposed when I was younger. I used to pull honey in only cut-offs and sandals, often with no veil, but those days are gone. I know too many people with skin cancer spots. IMO, those Sheriff style veils we wear are going to kill a lot of beekeepers with their open tops. If they don't kill us, they can at least take the blame for those ugly age spots on the temples. I wish they would put some fabric on the top portion instead of screen. Nobody has eyes up there. There is something to say in favour of the traditional helmet. When I drive up in my white suit, everyone knows I'm "that beekeeper" and don't have to spend time deciding who I am. All my guys wear clean bee suits for reasons of public relations and pride. We use a linen service, in fact. It is worth it. Our guys in white are a familiar sight in the fields too and we aren't confused with less desirable people who might be seen on the farmers place at all hours of day and night. Our guys tend to like thicker tighter suits than I do, and I don't know how they can stand it. One thing worth mentioning: we carry a bucket of clean water and pour it over our heads every so often if it is really warm. Some beekeepers have a water pressure tank under the deck and can spray each other down if things get too bad. Maybe I'll build one of those and we can have some good water fights. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Article 25515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lklarson1@aol.com (LKLarson1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Lines: 5 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 09:29:16 GMT References: <3945bf8a_2@news.vic.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613052916.12699.00000087@ng-fe1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25515 I give some away at the local community center which has a lot of poor people coming in and out for food, meals, clothing. The rest I give away elsewhere, tho in talking to several "farmer's markets", they all would like more attractively packaged honey... Article 25516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jun 2000 00:04:55 GMT References: <8i6d25$hd6@atlas.lcc.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613200455.21948.00000564@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25516 >But the other day I got one sting on my finger and my finger was >swollen for three days. guess the easy part is over :(. Pass the Benedryl. Sorry to hear that Norman, I was told the stuff called Sting Aid which is a good stuff but,The sad part is the manufactory is no longer in bussiness. Tim Article 25517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!peerfeed.news.psi.net!jump.innerx.net!basement Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Why@me.com (SomeOne) Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> <20000613082848.07053.00003638@ng-cc1.aol.com> <394684B1.7A9464A9@tucson.ars.ag.gov> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Lines: 29 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:29:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.38.18.133 X-Trace: jump.innerx.net 960942897 38.38.18.133 (Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:34:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 20:34:57 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25517 In article <394684B1.7A9464A9@tucson.ars.ag.gov>, John Edwards wrote: > >Dave Green wrote: > >> I am concerned about the arrival of the africanized bees. What to do > then? >> Maybe I'll don the bee suit and put ice in the pockets? > >Dave, you might look into the yellowish "Michelin-Man" suit that someone in the >southern U.S. has marketed and shown at bee meetings over the years - we had > one - >it looks puffy, but allows air to pass through quite well in Tucson. The only >drawback was that it tended to snag on branches. Sorry I don't know the brand > name. >This is an area (beesuits) that could really use some redesign work. All you > need >is something holey that will hold the outer layer a safe distance away from > your >skin and have holes small enough to keep bees out of your britches. There is an >advantage to having an outer material that bees can't get a grip on, but the >manufacturers seem to have gone to tight-weave to solve this problem, and that >makes it worse for the beekeeper. >(Having one of those little fans on your hat helps also, but they add weight.) >----------------------------------------------------------- I use one of those suits..I always felt like a big brillo pad but it is nice to have a cool breeze flowing through. I have never been stung through the suit....my socks are a different story.:) Article 25518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!news.gradwell.net!diablo.theplanet.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:10:24 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8i6m1l$s5u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8i43v9$fc8@atlas.lcc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.54 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 14 01:10:24 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.54 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25518 I'm not the expert here but when mine have swarmed there wasn't bees hanging out for days or weeks it's usually for a few hours the bzzzt of they go. I have had hives with hanging beards before even through the night. It was due to high temperature and humidity. They were simply venting and cooling the place off. So what's your weather like? You could also check for queen cells. usually swarm cells are on or very near the bottom of a frame. Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: my "split' split Lines: 11 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jun 2000 00:33:04 GMT References: <3940055E.E2162692@soils.umn.edu> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613203304.21948.00000569@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25519 >Put in 3 frames >full of brood, the rest of the frames drawn comb, I put 3 frames with brood and full of bees in my other new nuc with out Queen. A week later, I check the frames aging and have found New Queen Cell which I knew she on the way. The bees seem very strong and happy. Fact, I block their door about 90% because there were only few guard there to protect hive. I will remove the block about month later until the hive is near full with plenty of new guard. Your sound like its been rob. That my guess. Tim Article 25520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:54:14 -0500 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.71 Message-ID: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 12 Jun 2000 14:47:18 -0400, 208.24.176.71 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!lester.appstate.edu!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.71 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25520 Since many of us in this NG could be classified as hobbyist 1 - 6 hives, Im wondering what you do with your honey? I got about 6 gals off one hive and am fixing to get about 10 more gallons off my other 3. Larry Article 25521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Interpreting a sticky board test Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 01:01:21 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <8i6lgp$ro3$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3937E173.BB8A739C@riverace.com> <39468457.C23652CA@riverace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.54 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 14 01:01:21 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x73.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 208.13.202.54 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25521 I ordered some GelPaks about 3 weeks ago and was assured they be here in time for the fall treatment..... Demand must be pretty high. I would also like to hear someone else's experience with the things. Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!saltmine.radix.net!not-for-mail From: adamf@saltmine.radix.net (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dronelaying workers? Date: 13 Jun 2000 22:18:42 -0400 Organization: Self-Organized. Dig that. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <8i6q22$7qm$1@saltmine.radix.net> References: <8i3lg4$o8b$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Reply-To: adamf@radix.net NNTP-Posting-Host: saltmine.radix.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25522 In article <8i3lg4$o8b$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Pete wrote: > For either drone laying queen (which you may have) or laying workers >the rule of thumb is to take the hive 20-30 yards away and shake all >bees off into tall grass so that the drone laying queen or laying >workers will not make it back to home base. If it's a small colony or a nuc that's queen didn't make it, we freeze the drone frames for a day, and then use them to test for hygenic behavior. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@radix.net http://metalab.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 25523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:35:59 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <39460058.41601568@news1.radix.net> References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25523 On 13 Jun 2000 03:36:35 GMT, bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) wrote: >Hi, > I've been watch Colony Div. and Requeening bee program and have notice all > the fellow were only dress short sleves shirt, short pant, no gloves and carry >a smoker, How in the world they do this with out getting stung? The tape >showing those people lift the rack and kill the old Queen and replace new Queen >with out gloves on. Rackon they spray them self with Bee Go? or Skip bath? Here >in Va. I did have to use Suit because they will nail you real good. Can someone >point out what is their Secret? Thanks. > Tim They are beekeepers! Greg the beekeep Article 25524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 10:41:36 GMT References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613064136.26057.00003705@ng-cu1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25524 The secret to not getting stung on video is editing. But if you choose a good sunny day during a flow a puff of smoke is about all you need to handle bees. I still say protect your eyes. And a bee sting inside your nose really makes your eyes water and makes it hard to climb down the tree with a swarm. Tom There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Article 25525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming Message-ID: References: <8i43v9$fc8@atlas.lcc.net> <8i6m1l$s5u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 8 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 00:37:29 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:33:44 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25525 In article <8i6m1l$s5u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, kamtout@together.net says... > I have had hives with hanging beards before even through the night. It > was due to high temperature and humidity. They were simply venting and > cooling the place off. > Yeah, I think they like to do that. It would be like sitting out on the front porch in the Carolinas with hk1beeman. I like your reference to "hanging beards" of bees. Article 25526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jun 2000 04:32:05 GMT References: <3946c871_1@news.vic.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000614003205.15441.00000819@ng-fy1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25526 From: "Larry W" larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net >If I try to sell it Ill try to keep the >price just a little below the store price. Isn't yours better than the store's? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dumb mistake, need help Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 04:52:36 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <8i732h$58n$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3946cd11_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.71 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 14 04:52:36 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x54.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.71 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25527 "Larry W" wrote: >The question is what do I do to repair the damage? Can I somehow >just replace the bottom bars? Should I order some new bottom bars. > Larry ******************************************************* Howdy Larry -- Split bottom bars with wired wax foundation should not cause this problem. If the frames of honey are warm (90 degrees or so) and extracting is started SLOW, this should not happen. Extract only a small amount of honey from the first side and reverse it. Do not try to get all the honey out of the first side, or the weight of the honey on the second (inside) side will break out the comb. Repeat reversing sides several times if necessary. After the bees clean up the comb, you can evaluate whether is melt-up time or if they can be straightened up enough to use again. Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What a disaster! (long) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:52:16 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 69 Message-ID: <394567db.2565272@news1.radix.net> References: <393E9274.446C0BE2@formida.com> <393EC2FF.4498EC1@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p10.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25528 On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:46:26 -0700, "Dusty Bleher" wrote: >What I learned: >1) Exactly 60 seconds after we opened the eave, we were beaten. We and our >tools were covered with honey, and it was impossible to work with a purpose. >The tools kept slipping out of our hands, and everything we touched turned to >slime. I lost track of the number of times I had to climb down off of the >scaffold to recover hive tool, hammer, and pry-bars... >2) The bees knew the layout far better then we. They scurried off to places >between the wood that we could never follow. We vacuumed them up as best we >could. But we were little better than the boy whose finger is in the dike... >3) If I ever have to do this again, I'm going to kill them first, and then >open up from the inside, working from the bottom up to keep from having the >stuff drip down and collectively add to the mess below. >4) That it's possible to have a hive that yields more than 145 pounds of >honey and wax in the eves and wall of your house. We separated our booty into >nice clean comb honey (#1), from mixed comb (brood and honey, #2), and comb >that was woven into (and contaminated by) tar paper, insulation, plaster, >stucco, and other materials found in the walls (#3). The first group we >greedily ate and enjoyed. The second was going to be melted down and filtered >to recover the honey, and wax. The third was going to be melted down only for >the wax. >5) Never leave your comb smelter unattended. The mixed comb and honey (the >second group) was in a large two handled porcelain over metal pan. I put in >an outdoor barbeque oven. Turned it on warm (around 150-70F) constantly >checking the temperature. Things were going well. A light chilly breeze was >blowing, and the temp was holding steady. Evening fell, the cold southerly >breeze swung around to the north and warmed up. Now the house was blocking >it. That meant that the cooling breeze had stopped. THE NEXT MORNING I >remembered the oven. Ran outside, and found temp around 325F, boiled over >honey, wax, and bees and bee parts all through the barbeque, and a honey, wax, >grease, and soot flavored puddle slowly spreading across my patio from the >grease trap overflow... After turning off the BBQ, the stuff collapsed into a >charred caramelized mass of material resembling tar in both color and texture. >6) New hive tools are surprisingly sharp. I have the decorations and >bandages to prove it. >7) A honey soaked bee brush does not move bees well. >8) For the $600 or so, so far, I could have bought a lot of honey... That's >exclusive of: paint, sprayer, texture applicator, carpet shampooing, eave >siding, and three more days of putting on layers of sheetrock mud between >sandings. >9) Three day old bee suits continue to look good even after 4 full fledged >wash cycles. >10) Being a grandfather beekeeper is a lot harder then I remember it being at >14... > >So, what fun and exciting things did you do this weekend? > >Later all, >Dusty Bleher >San Jose, Ca. > > What you should have learned: $300.00 to have them removed was a real bargin! Since your neighbor wanted them removed he should have been approched to pay the bill. I am in a similar situation. I have bees on a vegitable farm and a homeowner can see 8 of the hives. She called the state inspector and demanded that they be moved. My reply to the inspector and I quote "Tell the bitch to go f@#k herself, farmers have a right to make a living. If she wants them moved out of her sight have her send me certified funds for $500.00 as a nusence fee." I haven't heard anything more for the past month. beekeep Article 25529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <394594B1.118DB49@borg.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:56:01 -0400 From: Howard Cohen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Two eggs in one cell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: host-22.borgdialin.thebiz.net X-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-22.borgdialin.thebiz.net Lines: 15 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!pullfeed!nntp2.borg.com!host-22.borgdialin.thebiz.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25529 Do any of you know why this would happen? I have never seen this before. Actually, I never looked so closely to notice it until recently. I also noticed on one cell that an egg hatched while the other will probably hatch tomorrow as they were both laid at the same time. Also on another note, I just read the message posted on 5/12 about the passing of Dr. Roger Morse. I have known Dr. Morse for 25 years plus and have sat along side of him at the New York State Fair giving him a hand in checking moisture content for the honey show. He and his wife enjoyed the fair greatly and they both loved the honey show and exhibit. He will be missed at this great event. Regards to all, Howie Cohen Utica, NY 13501 Keeping bees on and off since 1974 Article 25530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: Pete Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 03:24:04 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 25 Message-ID: <8i49g6$5r5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.116 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 13 03:24:04 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; U) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x65.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 216.152.6.116 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDhrogers000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25530 > "Larry W" wrote: > Im wondering what you do with your honey? > Larry ********************************************************* Howdy Larry -- Just let it be known amoung your friends that you have NEW honey, or run a short ad in the paper. You can probably sell it. Otherwise give it to your friends. I asked one of my beekeeping friends what he did with all his honey from about 15-20 hives. He said he gave it all away to his friends. Said he had a lot of friends ---- and needed every one of them! Pete So much to learn - So little time ! ************************************************** Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Use unprotect bee suit Lines: 9 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder06.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 03:36:35 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25531 Hi, I've been watch Colony Div. and Requeening bee program and have notice all the fellow were only dress short sleves shirt, short pant, no gloves and carry a smoker, How in the world they do this with out getting stung? The tape showing those people lift the rack and kill the old Queen and replace new Queen with out gloves on. Rackon they spray them self with Bee Go? or Skip bath? Here in Va. I did have to use Suit because they will nail you real good. Can someone point out what is their Secret? Thanks. Tim Article 25532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!WReNclone!WReNphoon4.POSTED!WReN!not-for-mail X-Originating-Host: 198.161.229.195 Organization: http://www.remarq.com: The World's Usenet/Discussions Start Here Subject: Re: Success with Russian Queens part 2 Lines: 12 From: Allen Dick Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <34902ca8.0064d0a8@usw-ex0103-018.remarq.com> References: Bytes: 469 X-Wren-Trace: ePnc9PXsq+GquOH9+bf80OLk/fnu87br+bv4/+StseCuseiupve+pay2rKWi Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:17:09 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 10.0.2.18 X-Complaints-To: wrenabuse@remarq.com X-Trace: WReNphoon4 960869946 10.0.2.18 (Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:19:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:19:06 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25532 Aaron sent me several interesting photos of a shipping box containing Russian queens and Buckfast queens for publication on the web. The attendants (of unknown heritage) seem to prefer the Buckfast. These pictures and his comments can be seen at http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Misc/Russians.htm allen * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free! Article 25533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!europa.netcrusader.net!208.184.7.66!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!63.211.125.72!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Peter Amschel Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two eggs in one cell Message-ID: References: <394594B1.118DB49@borg.com> X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.30.1784 Lines: 21 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:22:07 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:18:44 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25533 I will be interested in the answer to this also, Howie, as I have had the thought that bees always develop exactly just so on precisely the same 28 days, or whatever. In article <394594B1.118DB49@borg.com>, hcohen@borg.com says... > Do any of you know why this would happen? > I have never seen this before. Actually, I never looked so closely to notice it until recently. > I also noticed on one cell that an egg hatched while the other will probably hatch tomorrow as they were both laid at the same time. > > Also on another note, I just read the message posted on 5/12 about the passing of Dr. Roger Morse. I have known Dr. Morse for 25 years plus and have sat along side of him at the New York State Fair giving him a hand in checking moisture content for the honey show. > He and his wife enjoyed the fair greatly and they both loved the honey show and exhibit. > He will be missed at this great event. > > Regards to all, > > Howie Cohen > Utica, NY 13501 > > Keeping bees on and off since 1974 > > Article 25534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!cyclone1.usenetserver.com!news-east.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: joeblow Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two eggs in one cell Message-ID: References: <394594B1.118DB49@borg.com> Organization: joeblow X-Newsreader: MicroPlanet Gravity v2.20 Lines: 23 X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Complaints-To: support@usenetserver.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:47:00 EDT Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:51:17 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25534 In article <394594B1.118DB49@borg.com>, hcohen@borg.com says... > Do any of you know why this would happen? > I have never seen this before. Actually, I never looked so closely to notice it until recently. > I also noticed on one cell that an egg hatched while the other will probably hatch tomorrow as they were both laid at the same time. > > Also on another note, I just read the message posted on 5/12 about the passing of Dr. Roger Morse. I have known Dr. Morse for 25 years plus and have sat along side of him at the New York State Fair giving him a hand in checking moisture content for the honey show. > He and his wife enjoyed the fair greatly and they both loved the honey show and exhibit. > He will be missed at this great event. > > Regards to all, > > Howie Cohen > Utica, NY 13501 > > Keeping bees on and off since 1974 > > Sorry to hear of the passing of Roger Morse. I was just reading his book "The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Beekeeping" and I noticed that on page 320 Roger tells us that "WORKERS will lay a number of eggs in each cell and will place these all over the inside of the cell, in any position on the sides and base." I hope that this will help. Buzz Article 25535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> <8i49g6$5r5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: Honey Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 00:05:41 -0500 Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.97 Message-ID: <3945bf8a_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 13 Jun 2000 00:58:50 -0400, 208.24.176.97 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.97 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25535 I have been giving some away but buying the jars and giving it ALL away also just don't seem right somehow. Larry "Pete" wrote in message news:8i49g6$5r5$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > > > > "Larry W" wrote: > > Im wondering what you do with your honey? > > Larry > > ********************************************************* > > Howdy Larry -- > > Just let it be known amoung your friends that you have NEW honey, or > run a short ad in the paper. You can probably sell it. Otherwise give > it to your friends. > > I asked one of my beekeeping friends what he did with all his honey > from about 15-20 hives. He said he gave it all away to his friends. > Said he had a lot of friends ---- and needed every one of them! > > Pete > So much to learn - So little time ! > ************************************************** > > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. Article 25536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemail.com.au!not-for-mail From: "David Moncrieff" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Honey Lines: 29 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slmlb49p57.ozemail.com.au X-Trace: ozemail.com.au 960897651 210.84.141.122 (Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:00:51 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:00:51 EST Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 22:00:29 +1000 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25536 Larry W wrote in message <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com>... >Since many of us in this NG could be classified as hobbyist 1 - 6 hives, Im >wondering what you do with your honey? I got about 6 gals off one hive and >am fixing to get about 10 more gallons off my other 3. > >Larry > > > I guess many hobby beekeepers have this problem. I had a small surplus - about 100 kg and used the following method. I bottled it and took it to my work and sold it for a fair price - a bit cheaper than the supermarket - and made it known that all money would be sent of to a charity - in this case the Salvation Army. I photocopy the checks and display them. This seems to meet a number of objectives - other beekeepers do not always like honey being given away, as it depressed the price for everyone - the money went to a good cause - workmates got a good product at a friendly price and felt good about the money going to the Salvos - I have a hobby that I enjoy - and also feel satisfied by supporting a good cause DocBee, Melbourne Australia Article 25537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!news.eecis.udel.edu!netnews.com!europa.netcrusader.net!152.163.239.129!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Lines: 34 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 12:28:48 GMT References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613082848.07053.00003638@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25537 From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) >Here >in Va. I did have to use Suit because they will nail you real good. Can >someone >point out what is their Secret? I rarely wear more than a t-shirt and veil when working bees. In hot weather I take the veil off too. Good breeding for gentleness is part of the equation, also working bees at the right time, having a calm manner, etc. I could not wear a bee suit; I have enough problems with heat exhaustion as it is. I had it once last month, where, despite lots of drinking (even gator aid), I got sick and had violent chills. Let me have a sting now and then! Whenever I work without a veil, I always keep it within reach, because there are sometimes rogue colonies. I do keep a long sleeve shirt in the truck and occasionally have to put it on. I should keep gloves, too, but I haven't lately. If your bees regularly force you to bundle up like a spaceman, you are either too worried about a sting or two, or you need to work on better breeding. Of course, any bees can have a bad day once in awhile. I am concerned about the arrival of the africanized bees. What to do then? Maybe I'll don the bee suit and put ice in the pockets? ;o) Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two eggs in one cell Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 12:33:44 GMT References: <394594B1.118DB49@borg.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613083344.07053.00003640@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25538 >Do any of you know why this would happen? Three possible reasons: 1. Old queen failing, eggs on bottom of cell. Does the hive seem generally poor? Are there any drones in worker cells? Very little brood? Adults getting old and getting nasty? 2. Laying worker, eggs on side of cell 3. Young queen hasn't got the hang of it yet. Did your bees just supercede? Often a young queen will do this for the first week or so, and it will then clear up. Check again in a week. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.20!wnmasters3!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3946cd11_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Dumb mistake, need help Lines: 46 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:02:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.203.150 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 961009370 12.72.203.150 (Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:02:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:02:50 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25539 Plastics Larry, plastics. Not sure what you would replace the bottom bars with. Split is the proper type for crimped wire. Were the frames well drawn with comb attached at the bottom bars? Newly drawn frames can be quite fragile for the first couple of extractions. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "Larry W" wrote in message news:3946cd11_2@news.vic.com... > Today I started extracting my newest hives, I pulled 13 super frames. I put > them 2 at a time in the extractor and started to spin it, no matter how slow > I spun it I blew out the frames. I went through about 6 of them before I > realized what the problem was. 2 months ago I bought 30 super frames and > wax. from a place in NC I wont mention the name but the initials are BM. I > originally ordered duraguilt but after consulting the NG I decided to change > it to standard was, so I reordered the proper frames but they sent me split > bottom bars. Not wanting to return them and reorder I built all my super > frames with split bottom bars. So when I spun the frames the wires lifted up > out of the bottom bars and broke the wax. I couldn't even get al the honey > out. > The question is what do I do to repair the damage? Can I somehow just > replace the bottom bars? Should I order some new bottom bars. Does anybody > know an easier fix? Do I have to replace the wax that's broken? Any Ideas > would be appreciated. I just put the frames back on the hive to get them > cleaned up. > > Thanks > > Larry > > Article 25540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "doona" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> <20000613082848.07053.00003638@ng-cc1.aol.com> <8i6bpl$iu0$1@news.smartworld.net> Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Lines: 78 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:40:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.36.30.143 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 961004459 63.36.30.143 (Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:40:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:40:59 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25540 Hi; I don't have a bee suit, but I did get a bee jacket, I can get it off and on over a T-shirt quick and it keeps the bee off my arms and face. A white shirt and hat with Vail would work just as good. I keep my hives in the woods so we don't get to hot. In the south it can get hot in the shade. I love to read the messages in this news group every one is so sweet and funny, just like the bees. Donna "Allen Dick" wrote in message news:8i6bpl$iu0$1@news.smartworld.net... > > I rarely wear more than a t-shirt and veil when working bees. > > Suit yourself, Dave, but I like to wear pants too:) > > > I could not wear a bee suit; I have enough problems with heat > exhaustion as > > it is. > > Actually, as I get older, I do wear a bee suit a lot of the time, and I wear > it to stay cool as much as anything. It is also a fast way to dress in the > morning. > > But I don't just wear any bee suit. I wear a XXXL made of very light > material, and I wear only undershorts underneath on warm days. Boxers or > briefs? That would be telling, wouldn't it? > > The baggy suit is very comfortable -- and cool. I wear it for the sun more > than for the bees, and since I change it often, it is nice and clean. I > sometimes carry a spare. The white reflects the sun and is cool compared to > bare skin, which is what was mostly exposed when I was younger. > > I used to pull honey in only cut-offs and sandals, often with no veil, but > those days are gone. I know too many people with skin cancer spots. IMO, > those Sheriff style veils we wear are going to kill a lot of beekeepers with > their open tops. If they don't kill us, they can at least take the blame > for those ugly age spots on the temples. I wish they would put some fabric > on the top portion instead of screen. Nobody has eyes up there. There is > something to say in favour of the traditional helmet. > > When I drive up in my white suit, everyone knows I'm "that beekeeper" and > don't have to spend time deciding who I am. All my guys wear clean bee > suits for reasons of public relations and pride. We use a linen service, in > fact. It is worth it. Our guys in white are a familiar sight in the fields > too and we aren't confused with less desirable people who might be seen on > the farmers place at all hours of day and night. > > Our guys tend to like thicker tighter suits than I do, and I don't know how > they can stand it. One thing worth mentioning: we carry a bucket of clean > water and pour it over our heads every so often if it is really warm. Some > beekeepers have a water pressure tank under the deck and can spray each > other down if things get too bad. Maybe I'll build one of those and we can > have some good water fights. > > allen > -- > A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ > Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant > feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring > splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... > > > > > Article 25541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3946cd11_2@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Dumb mistake, need help Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:45:56 -0500 Lines: 66 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.75 Message-ID: <3947df6e_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 14 Jun 2000 15:39:26 -0400, 208.24.176.75 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.75 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25541 I guess the proper term is divided bottom bar and the foundation was wired but not cross wired and was the first extraction on that newly drawn foundation. Im starting to believe the biggest problem was the consistency of the honey it is very think and slooow. Larry "George Styer" wrote in message news:uFQ15.1383$Uw3.97537@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Plastics Larry, plastics. > > Not sure what you would replace the bottom bars with. Split is the proper > type for crimped wire. Were the frames well drawn with comb attached at the > bottom bars? Newly drawn frames can be quite fragile for the first couple of > extractions. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there > > > "Larry W" wrote in message > news:3946cd11_2@news.vic.com... > > Today I started extracting my newest hives, I pulled 13 super frames. I > put > > them 2 at a time in the extractor and started to spin it, no matter how > slow > > I spun it I blew out the frames. I went through about 6 of them before I > > realized what the problem was. 2 months ago I bought 30 super frames and > > wax. from a place in NC I wont mention the name but the initials are BM. I > > originally ordered duraguilt but after consulting the NG I decided to > change > > it to standard was, so I reordered the proper frames but they sent me > split > > bottom bars. Not wanting to return them and reorder I built all my super > > frames with split bottom bars. So when I spun the frames the wires lifted > up > > out of the bottom bars and broke the wax. I couldn't even get al the honey > > out. > > The question is what do I do to repair the damage? Can I somehow just > > replace the bottom bars? Should I order some new bottom bars. Does anybody > > know an easier fix? Do I have to replace the wax that's broken? Any Ideas > > would be appreciated. I just put the frames back on the hive to get them > > cleaned up. > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > > > Article 25542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!xmission!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 11:43:17 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3947D244.D01D62FC@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8i6531$17e$1@campus3.mtu.edu> <20000613172146.03648.00002798@ng-ba1.aol.com> <3946c7a5_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25542 Larry W wrote: > still HOT. Where can I get one of those fan hats? They've been here and there since the mid-80s - try these links : http://www.global-merchants.com/home/safari.htm - this one is priced pretty high http://www.crystalbay.net/solarworks/solar-hat.html - this one would be difficult to use with a veil. - John Edwards, Tucson - (I have no financial interest in these companies) Article 25543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Two eggs in one cell Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:03:10 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <8i8ru0$gl4$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <394594B1.118DB49@borg.com> <20000613083344.07053.00003640@ng-cc1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 14 21:03:10 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x70.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25543 In article <20000613083344.07053.00003640@ng-cc1.aol.com>, pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) wrote: > >Do any of you know why this would happen? Yes I do have an additional reason. I found a perfectly good queen do it this spring in nuc I bought. You've made an assumption first hand that must be verified. Were both eggs alive? or did they just look alive? Look carefully. What we surmised is since we only found 5 or 6 cells with double eggs. and they were properly positioned(center,bottom) AND the only place she did this was on the outside top perimeter of her pattern was that during one of our spring cold snaps the cluster shrank too much and some of the outside eggs died. The queen new these eggs were dead and replaced them. Careful examination revealed that the 24-48 hour larvae/egg was indeed dead,dried and the egg planted right next to it was fine. If you see hundreds either you got laying workers or your queen is on Atrazine or something. None noticed since anyway. Seems the most logical reason we could come up with. Mike > Three possible reasons: > 1. Old queen failing, eggs on bottom of cell. Does the hive seem generally > poor? Are there any drones in worker cells? Very little brood? Adults getting > old and getting nasty? > 2. Laying worker, eggs on side of cell > 3. Young queen hasn't got the hang of it yet. Did your bees just supercede? > Often a young queen will do this for the first week or so, and it will then > clear up. Check again in a week. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dumb mistake, need help Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:22:55 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <8i8pia$elo$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <3946cd11_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 14 20:22:55 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25544 Larry, As mentioned previously, you shouldn't be breaking any combs. I've extracted hundreds, new,old,small,medium and large with a tangential extractor and am still waiting to break the first one. I moved to using a radial last year and had some eye openers there. More caution required until you get the feel for it. after uncapping your frames and putting them in the extractor the faces of the combs should be pressing flat against a screen or cage. if they aren't you'd probably have trouble getting Pierco frames to stay put. It's not the foundations or bars for sure but look at the extractor setup because something's not right. If you want to flop combs try a radial then you can tell the Duragilts from the the wax. theDuragilts will be the ones sliding down the wall..... Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: swarming Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:34:45 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <8i8q94$f5e$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8i43v9$fc8@atlas.lcc.net> <8i6m1l$s5u$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 14 20:34:45 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x55.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25545 Peter, The 'hanging beards' thing is what came to mind when I looked at them. I'm glad you liked it.I took pictures too. they would hang off the bottom board probably 6 inches or more and nearly as wide. It was ugly hot and humid then. No big deal, I hear it's what they do. Mike > Yeah, I think they like to do that. It would be like sitting out on the > front porch in the Carolinas with hk1beeman. I like your reference to > "hanging beards" of bees. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: kamtout@together.net Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Light, Heat and Location Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:52:20 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <8i8r9r$g45$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <8hc2e9$5ae$1@nnrp1.deja.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.144.236.186 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 14 20:52:20 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x66.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 199.144.236.186 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDkamtout Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25546 In case you hadn't noticed it's pretty darn dark in a hive any way. In my humble opinion the reason you want very early sun is to warm the hives up. it can make a difference of several hours of honeygathering time if they get it late. 51 degrees is the magic number. Lower-no honey bee activity.At or higher-off they go. Bumblebees fly alot cooler temps. look around some early morning. Granted in Feb when they have to crap they'll fly around a bit in the 20's but the heated air from the tarpaper can be easily 70 degrees or greater even then. Bees work all night building comb,tending brood etc. and the starlight doesn't probably light up their life so to speak. It's the heat... Mike Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!206.13.28.125!cyclone-transit.snfc21.pbi.net!216.218.192.242!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Dusty Bleher" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What a disaster! (long) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:56:07 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <393E9274.446C0BE2@formida.com> <393EC2FF.4498EC1@midwest.net> <8i6e1n$hpa$2@lure.pipex.net> X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25547 Why thank you, Pamela? Martin? Actually the pain was mostly in the regret at the loss of the hive and so much brood...and the anticipation of the endless cleanup! I only got stung twice. Once, as I was squatted down on my thigh when I squashed one under my arm. And once in my finger as I was putting up boards to cover the outside. I had to do that with no gloves on because they were so slippery and sticky that I couldn't handle the nails or the hammer... Dumping bees in the dark, hu? Now *that* must have been one to write home about...(:-)! Any of you other readers have any good "disaster" stories to share? Besides being entertaining, there's usually a lot of good lessons to be had... And learning is after all what we're here for, isn't it? Best regards all, Dusty Bleher San Jose, Ca. "Pamela Buckle" wrote in message news:8i6e1n$hpa$2@lure.pipex.net... > Dusty, you had a lifetime's beekeeping disaster in one experience - What Martin. Article 25548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!attbtf!att541!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Origins of Resistant AFB Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:14:54 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 12 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust45.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8i9015$2s$1@news.smartworld.net> References: <8i5cq3$47n$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust45.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25548 "Barry Metz" wrote in message news:yhL15.82$nX1.6595637@news.interact.net.au... > Perhaps you should check Australian Research and what is generally accepted > fact about the gratuous and I might say negligent uncontrolled use of any > antibiotic in any part of the food chain Maybe I have and maybe that is why I wrote what I did. allen Article 25549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8i6531$17e$1@campus3.mtu.edu> <20000613172146.03648.00002798@ng-ba1.aol.com> <3946c7a5_2@news.vic.com> <3947D244.D01D62FC@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:01:51 -0500 Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.75 Message-ID: <3947ff48_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 14 Jun 2000 17:55:20 -0400, 208.24.176.75 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.75 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25549 Thanks, I found the same one for $39.95 http://www.qmgsales.com/sbt/Qstore/p000049.htm ever had any bees try to get through the fan blades? Larry "John Edwards" wrote in message news:3947D244.D01D62FC@tucson.ars.ag.gov... > > Larry W wrote: > > > still HOT. Where can I get one of those fan hats? > > They've been here and there since the mid-80s - try these links : > http://www.global-merchants.com/home/safari.htm > - this one is priced pretty high > http://www.crystalbay.net/solarworks/solar-hat.html > - this one would be difficult to use with a veil. > > - John Edwards, Tucson - (I have no financial interest in these companies) > Article 25550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.comnospam (Dave Green) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder07.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 2000 12:48:02 GMT References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <20000613084802.07053.00003643@ng-cc1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25550 From: "Larry W" larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net >Since many of us in this NG could be classified as hobbyist 1 - 6 hives, Im >wondering what you do with your honey? I got about 6 gals off one hive and >am fixing to get about 10 more gallons off my other 3. When you reach the point where you can't use it all, and you can't give it all away, you come to the point of selling it. Bee aware that this is a quantum leap. Once you sell you product, it is subject to many laws. Health inspectors in most US states will not allow you to sell honey that is packaged on your kitchen counter. So get information on label laws, acceptable packing procedures and equipment, etc. Much of this is online now. Years ago, when I put honey into our local produce stand the first time; the inspector was at my door within about two weeks. He's been a frequent visitor ever since. One more thing. Hobbyists sometimes make it tough for those of us who make a living from honey sales, because you don't value your time. Keep your prices in line with the market, and we'll all make a fair return. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Home Page: http://pollinator.com Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 25551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.deja.com!nnrp1.deja.com!not-for-mail From: drezac@greenapple.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 12:54:05 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <8i5at6$s7s$1@nnrp1.deja.com> References: <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.231 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 13 12:54:05 2000 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 PROXY2, 1.0 x51.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 4.18.4.231 X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDdrezac Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25551 In article <39453036$1_2@news.vic.com>, "Larry W" wrote: > Since many of us in this NG could be classified as hobbyist 1 - 6 hives, Im > wondering what you do with your honey? I got about 6 gals off one hive and > am fixing to get about 10 more gallons off my other 3. > > Larry > > You could use it to make mead - check out rec.crafts.brewing - you should be able to get some information on it there.. -- Duane L. Rezac drezac@greenapple.com www.greenapple.com/~drezac Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. Article 25552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!feedwest.news.agis.net!agis!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: 13 Jun 2000 13:40:03 GMT Lines: 29 Message-ID: <8i5djj$dli$0@208.10.2.103> References: <20000612233635.16995.00000911@ng-ba1.aol.com> <20000613064136.26057.00003705@ng-cu1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.10.2.103 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25552 On 13 Jun 2000 10:41:36 GMT, beecrofter@aol.comBee (BeeCrofter) wrote: >The secret to not getting stung on video is editing. >But if you choose a good sunny day during a flow a puff of smoke is about all >you need to handle bees. >I still say protect your eyes. >And a bee sting inside your nose really makes your eyes water and makes it hard >to climb down the tree with a swarm. > > > >Tom > > > >There is an extra Bee in the Email address after the AOL.com Depends on the conditions (there are sometimes I can't walk though the bee yard without a few bees taking it as a threat). Also depends on the beekeepers resistance/reaction to the stings. Some can brush it off. I've read that some use a sting on their hands as a sign to use a bit more smoke. I couldn't possibly go without a veil and gloves. If i get stung on the hands or soft parts of the face (under the eyes) it swells up something fierce. In other locations (neck, arms, back, top of head) it's no worse then a mosqito bite. -Tim Article 25553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!12.127.17.134!attbtf!att542!ip.att.net!news.smartworld.net!not-for-mail From: "Allen Dick" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Origins of Resistant AFB Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 07:35:39 -0600 Organization: Smart Lines: 96 Sender: allendick@freewwweb.com@*@cust62.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca Message-ID: <8i5cq3$47n$1@news.smartworld.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cust62.tnt1.dial.cal1.uunet.ca X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4029.2901 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25553 A number of prominent people in positions of authority -- and who should know better -- have lately been repeating conjecture as fact. I'm talking about the slander against antibiotic extender patties. As far as I know, there is not a shred of proof that they are a cause of oxytetracycline (OTC) resistance in the bacillus that causes American Foulbrood (AFB). The mechanisms behind resistance appearing are many and generally badly misunderstood. Many of the ideas promulgated in the popular media are simplistic at best and just plain wrong and dangerous at worse. The mechanism(s) by which an organism may develop resistance to a particular substance depends on the organism and the environment. A practice that is a cause of resistance developing in one case may be the prescription for preventing resistance in another. In the past several years, a number of mechanisms that were simply unbelievable in the past have become common knowledge. On is horizontal gene transfer. Please check out http://www.sciam.com/1998/0398issue/0398levy.html where you will find the following statement: "Bacteria can acquire resistance genes through a few routes. Many inherit the genes from their forerunners. Other times, genetic mutations, which occur readily in bacteria, will spontaneously produce a new resistance trait or will strengthen an existing one. And frequently, bacteria will gain a defence against an antibiotic by taking up resistance genes from other bacterial cells in the vicinity. Indeed, the exchange of genes is so pervasive that the entire bacterial world can be thought of as one huge multicellular organism in which the cells interchange their genes with ease." http://www.sciam.com/1998/0398issue/0398levybox2.html is another interesting reference, as is http://www.pilotonline.com/news/op0420ant.html I also quote below the text of a letter I wrote to a friend of mine who is also a regulator: ---- begin quote --- "I notice you repeated the suggestion that extender patties may cause resistant AFB... I have phoned and written around to trace the origin of this rumour some time back, and have not been able to find any credible source for it. In the process, I have, however found a number of people I respect who think it lacks any merit and just provides a handy scapegoat. I personally have a very high opinion of this method of control and it distresses me to see my neighbours who were hit hard by AFB in 1998 and saved entirely from AFB in 1999 -- in spite of showing positive for resistant AFB due to buying equipment from (deleted) -- scraping off the patties earlier this spring when they read the newsletter. I hope they don't go through the 1998 experience again. From my 30 years experience with AFB and the various controls, I am worried that we are discarding the best method -- by far -- I have ever seen (since sulfa) for AFB control -- on the basis of mere rumours and speculation. Do you have access something that proves more than an anecdotal, hypothetical, or circumstantial linkage? If so, I would certainly appreciate being made aware of any evidence or scientific study that in any way proves the allegations against a product developed by the USDA and duly tested and licensed for sale and use in the USA. In view of the rigour of US testing and regulation, I would expect that if there were any merit to the hypothesis, that Mann Lake would be forced to take it off the market. They say that is not happening. As for more credible explanations for emergence of resistance , I submit horizontal gene transfer -- possibly related to accidental side-effects of genetic modification work -- as the original cause fro the sudden emergence, and trade in honey and bee equipment as the mode of spread. The former is hard to prove, but I suspect will eventually be the accepted explanation. The latter is obvious and ongoing: the spread in the case of equipment is not hard to follow. As for spread due to international sale and housewives discarding honey into open landfills and bees licking out imported honey drums, that is again hard to trace. How many *unique* cases of resistance evolving can we document? And, how many cases are just the spread of the same outbreak?" --- end quote ---- Lets either prove this allegation -- or drive a stake through its heart once and for all. allen -- A Beekeeper's Diary: http://www.internode.net/HoneyBee/Diary/ Package installation & performance experiments, winter loss, fondant feeding, Pierco vs. Permadent vs. dark comb, unwrapping bees, spring splitting tricks, AFB, varroa, protein patties, daily mumblings and more... Thousands served... Article 25554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!EU.net!blackbush.xlink.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: NEED HELP IN ENGLAND Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:35:14 +0100 Message-ID: References: <394013D6.2466D053@uidaho.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 961024137 nnrp-07:9601 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 32 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25554 In article <394013D6.2466D053@uidaho.edu>, Matthew Pollard writes > THE OTHER DAY MY DAUGHTER NOTICED A SWARM OF BEES IN >OUR >GARDEN THE NEXT MORNING I NOTICED THEY HAD TAKEN UP RESIDENCE IN OUR >DOVE >COTE. > >I LIKE BEES BUT I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF THIS AMOUNT OF BEES IN MY >GARDEN >AND WOULD LIKE THEM MOVED WITHOUT HARM TO THE BEES. > >I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU, WHO CAN I GET TO REMOVE THEM >IS THERE ANYONE IN MY AREA THAT COULD/WOULD DO IT I LIVE IN THE >STAFFORDSHIRE/WARWICKSHIRE AREA (UK). The local association members would surely help. The contact 18 months ago was Celia Davis 01676 533252. If that doesn't work try bbka on 01203 690666 mailto:bees@bbka.demon.co.uk. In any case the local police and District Council keep a list of beekeepers willing to come out. >ARE THEY DANGEROUS, SHOULD I KEEP MY KIDS FROM PLAYING IN THE GARDEN, >AND IS >THERE ANYMORE ADVICE YOU CAN GIVE ME..............THANKS The bees can be tested bravely by you approaching gingerly towards the box. If they investigate you, you could brave it out and see if they shoo you away. You may be able to walk right up to them. Be ready to run to a dark place like a shed. Have it open at the ready. They'll want to get back to the light. As they establish, the temper may get worse and on thundery/electric days also if the nectar flow dries up. I would advise getting them out as they are unpredictable in both short and long term. The box can be taken away and returned when the job is done. -- James Kilty Article 25555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.mathworks.com!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!kilty.demon.co.uk!honeymountain From: James Kilty Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mapping bee wings Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:59:20 +0100 Message-ID: References: <38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 961024138 nnrp-07:9601 NO-IDENT kilty.demon.co.uk:193.237.253.225 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25555 In article <38e9144b.609420@news.freeserve.net>, Steve Newport writes >Somebody I heard the other day was discussing a method by which you >could section the wing of a bee and make a graph from the various >veins etc to confirm the strain of bee you have is consistent. > >Does anybody have more info on this? Yes. >What is it called? morphology >Any idea where I can read more about it? Beowulf Cooper's Honeybees of the British Isles, BIBBA. There are lots of good publications by BIBBA. Try http://www.bibba.com for information about BIBBA. Otherwise contact Alan Hinchley, BIBBA Postal Sales, Meadow Croft Apiaries, 2 Birchwood Rd, Alfreton, Derbyshire, UK, DE55 7HB. Telephone 01773-832086. The book costs £12.96 plus £1.40 postage. It may be £6 to anyone not a member. Ask. There is a drawn "chart" which you align with a projection of the selected wing and adjust to read off a key vein ratio. Membership is very worthwhile if you want to rear better bees. -- James Kilty Article 25556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!not-for-mail From: John Edwards Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 17:03:51 -0700 Organization: Hayden Bee Lab, USDA-ARS,Tucson, Arizona Lines: 16 Message-ID: <39481D66.1F4E94EF@tucson.ars.ag.gov> References: <8i6531$17e$1@campus3.mtu.edu> <20000613172146.03648.00002798@ng-ba1.aol.com> <3946c7a5_2@news.vic.com> <3947D244.D01D62FC@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <3947ff48_1@news.vic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: feral-bee.tucson.ars.ag.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25556 Larry W wrote: > Thanks, I found the same one for $39.95 > http://www.qmgsales.com/sbt/Qstore/p000049.htm > > ever had any bees try to get through the fan blades? We don't have one, but I believe I'd put a cone of hardware cloth over the fan intake or risk having chopped bees falling on my face !!! - John Edwards, Tucson http://198.22.133.109/ http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html Article 25557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <8i6531$17e$1@campus3.mtu.edu> <20000613172146.03648.00002798@ng-ba1.aol.com> <3946c7a5_2@news.vic.com> <3947D244.D01D62FC@tucson.ars.ag.gov> <3947ff48_1@news.vic.com> <39481D66.1F4E94EF@tucson.ars.ag.gov> Subject: Re: Use unprotect bee suit Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:34:30 -0500 Lines: 26 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.70 Message-ID: <39483121_2@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 14 Jun 2000 21:28:01 -0400, 208.24.176.70 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.70 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25557 Yea good Idea and for $40 its almost trying one but I think blowing on your neck would cool you more. I think Ill buy one and make a report. The Wife says she would use it when mowing the yard. Larry "John Edwards" wrote in message news:39481D66.1F4E94EF@tucson.ars.ag.gov... > > > Larry W wrote: > > > Thanks, I found the same one for $39.95 > > http://www.qmgsales.com/sbt/Qstore/p000049.htm > > > > ever had any bees try to get through the fan blades? > > We don't have one, but I believe I'd put a cone of hardware cloth over > the fan intake or risk having chopped bees falling on my face !!! > - John Edwards, Tucson > http://198.22.133.109/ > http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/home/edwards/edwards.html > > Article 25558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!sn-inject-01!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Judy and Dave Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dumb mistake, need help Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 22:16:25 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Lines: 41 Message-ID: <39483C79.3688D4A8@fuse.net> References: <3946cd11_2@news.vic.com> Reply-To: dublgully@fuse.net X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-CCK-MCD compaq (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25558 Hey Larry. We use wooden frames, with wired wax foundation and split bottoms. Did you add additional wire to your frames? It is probably not necessary to add additional wire to brood comb because it is seldom extracted. However, we always recommend our newbees add horizontal wire to any super frames. This prevents them from warping when they are extracted. We usually have a framing meeting when everyone brings their frames and we all put them together and install foundation. It is easier to have someone recommend a different hand hold or nail hold when everyone is fumbling at the same time. Don't think it was the split bottom boards. Judy in Kentucky Larry W wrote: > Today I started extracting my newest hives, I pulled 13 super frames. I put > them 2 at a time in the extractor and started to spin it, no matter how slow > I spun it I blew out the frames. I went through about 6 of them before I > realized what the problem was. 2 months ago I bought 30 super frames and > wax. from a place in NC I wont mention the name but the initials are BM. I > originally ordered duraguilt but after consulting the NG I decided to change > it to standard was, so I reordered the proper frames but they sent me split > bottom bars. Not wanting to return them and reorder I built all my super > frames with split bottom bars. So when I spun the frames the wires lifted up > out of the bottom bars and broke the wax. I couldn't even get al the honey > out. > The question is what do I do to repair the damage? Can I somehow just > replace the bottom bars? Should I order some new bottom bars. Does anybody > know an easier fix? Do I have to replace the wax that's broken? Any Ideas > would be appreciated. I just put the frames back on the hive to get them > cleaned up. > > Thanks > > Larry Article 25559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!gxn.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <39485F08.DF466181@indy.net> From: Tobi Elmore Organization: Arsenal Technical High School X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: temperment of bees References: <392439C9.58FE50E7@kingston.net> <28594-39254F3B-43@storefull-137.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:43:52 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.122.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 961043844 209.183.122.120 (Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:37:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:37:24 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25559 OLne of the usda Bee Research labortories is located in Baton Rouge so I think you are ok in New orleans. Tobi Melissa wrote: > Thanks so much Kent, for the information. Could you also tell me what > bees consider to be bad weather. I live in New Orleans, and the weather > is very hot and humid here. June brings daily thundershowers but > temperatures in the mid to upper 90's. > > Thanks Again! > > Melissa > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > [Image] > BeeKeepingJournal Article 25560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Larry W" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3946cd11_2@news.vic.com> <3947ba7a_1@news.vic.com> Subject: Re: Dumb mistake, need help Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:46:02 -0500 Lines: 120 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.62 Message-ID: <39486c18_1@news.vic.com> X-Trace: 15 Jun 2000 01:39:36 -0400, 208.24.176.62 Organization: Newsville.Com (http://www.newsville.com) Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.vic.com!208.24.176.62 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:25560 Peter: Having read that web page, Im wondering why someone that has a Langstroth hive doesn't just use a standard brood box for the bottom and an empty brood box on the top with standard brood frames with 1" of starter wax as a super. Wont the bees build comb there? It would seem that if you already own some Langstroth equipment you wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel. Has anybody tried it? Larry "Peter Amschel" wrote in message news:MPG.13b1fbd4318c84269896f1@news.pe.net... > Here is Jim Satterfield from Georgia's site: > > http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm > > > I just harvested about 30 lbs of comb from my one top bar hive last > weekend. This season I have the bottom board of my hive fixed up on > hinges and gate hooks so I can open the bottom completely. Then I pried > off the top bars and used a long, metal barbeque spatula to separate the > comb from the sides of the hive one at a time so that the comb would drop > down into my other hand and then I usee the bee brush to brush off as > many bees as possible and then I placed the comb into a big, metal mixing > bowl and then moved on to detach the next comb in the hive. I worked only > one end of the hive. If you've read prior reports here, I had placed Bee > Bob's langstroth honey super frames down into the top bar hive so that > this is really a combination top bar and langstroth hive. The queen has > evidently taken refuge in the langstroth part of the hive and so the comb > I harvested on one end of the hive had very few brood cells in it but was > mostly capped honey and some pollen. I am thinking of putting a queen > excluder screen in there next time, but wouldn't she just go over the top > of the excluder if she wanted to? > Anyway, after I had detached, lowered and brushed off the combs I then > took off my bee gloves and removed the remaining bees and bee parts from > the comb. I used Japanese chop sticks and toothpicks to do the final > cleanup and I broke the comb into sizes to fit into plastic bags and then > washed off the bags with warm water. I got some big, fat, beautiful, > blonde comb just dripping with exquisite goodness. One part of the comb > was darker and had a different flavor. I got stung 3 times on my finger > tips! > > > > > > > > > > > In article <3947ba7a_1@news.vic.com>, larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net says... > > > > > > Peter, what is the web page for the Top Bar information? I was there last > > year but lost the link. > > > > Thanks > > > > Larry > > > > "Peter Amschel" wrote in message > > news:MPG.13b0aa4696827ce39896ed@news.pe.net... > > > Bummer, dude. You might want to try top bar hives, less labor intensive > > > and real fine honeycomb. > > > > > > > > > In article <3946cd11_2@news.vic.com>, larrylwillREMOVE@fcbl.net says... > > > > Today I started extracting my newest hives, I pulled 13 super frames. I > > put > > > > them 2 at a time in the extractor and started to spin it, no matter how > > slow > > > > I spun it I blew out the frames. I went through about 6 of them before I > > > > realized what the problem was. 2 months ago I bought 30 super frames and > > > > wax. from a place in NC I wont mention the name but the initials are BM. > > I > > > > originally ordered duraguilt but after consulting the NG I decided to > > change > > > > it to standard was, so I reordered the