Article 30011 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.via.net!news.he.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: frathan@airdial.net (Fr. Athanasios) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Phacelia Date: 31 May 2001 22:53:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: <5564f45f.0105312153.1a2b9653@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.19.110.178 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991374793 25064 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2001 05:53:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2001 05:53:13 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30011 Greetings to all, Can some one provide some information where I can purchase some "Phacelia" seed? Thank you very much for your help! Fr. Athanasios Article 30012 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5564f45f.0105312153.1a2b9653@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Phacelia Lines: 20 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 06:31:20 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-0jKREkcPs5t8pyBHW5khlTlaE0jDPMrw3w6D6hQ3GfUxVcMZ1ETfqPfS4DbzCoVylJkCt8yPrHiwcWz!fD3S2GtoVR5c1szj4CVuv+iSwz8eZDJylPoSQ9jmH9xjTWCMRx0a2xYWxAZLgZR2wF0fnG9HUaSV!/uk= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 06:29:49 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30012 Try this. http://www.ibiblio.org/london/agriculture/forums/sustainable-agriculture2/ms g00609.html -- Mark (The Little/Coldiron Farm) If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) "Fr. Athanasios" wrote in message news:5564f45f.0105312153.1a2b9653@posting.google.com... > Greetings to all, > > Can some one provide some information where I can purchase some "Phacelia" seed? > Thank you very much for your help! > Fr. Athanasios Article 30013 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: From the NYT online - a better hive? Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 08:17:01 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3B167E9A.AB71725D@nospam.boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30013 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3B167E9A.AB71725D@nospam.boeing.com... > Found this on the New York Times web site today. I paste it here in it's > entirety as some of you may not subscribe. I wish they gave more details > about how the frames are situated in these hives than they do. sounds like a modified topbar hive (see http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm ) also see "STRESS AND HONEY BEES" at http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/publ/stress.html and to extrapolate even further see http://www.beedata.com/articles.htm Article 30014 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How to? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: <7VMR6.15240$Uo3.634343@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 08:38:11 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-LqXQA36k093HAxm7Kt9aul33Vd8UO0TizESOPjUPE1J2tMZVBMi4tJ9BRQ8ltnLVLV5azJ+dI0wo5zW!CVtAazk0GHFEQ6AyZzGBl9Fm59M8DgDGYnBN4mmHlwWrIVQvRPR4dfAt7FhhtL8+LtSK9cBfrbYS!JunSQ8nX X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 02:22:08 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30014 Hello I posted this message before but it never showed on my list. I requeened my hive this spring after coming out of winter queenless. The new queen is laying and I now have capped brood. The population of workers if very low now and I don't think they will make it. I have a package coming soon and would like to add about 1 pound of workers from this package to my old hive. I would then install the other 2 pounds in my new hive. How can this be done? Can find nothing in my books. Dave Article 30015 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!e420r-sjo4.usenetserver.com!news-out.usenetserver.com!e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: hamilton@pbssite.com (Dave Hamilton) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to? Message-ID: <3b179f7f.1545181062@west.usenetserver.com> References: <7VMR6.15240$Uo3.634343@news6.giganews.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 10:00:25 EDT Organization: WebUseNet Corp http://www.usenetserver.com - Home of the fastest NNTP servers on the Net. Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 14:02:16 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30015 This would just make two weak hives .. a 2 lb package will take 11 weeks to get up to full strength .. remember you need so many bees to stay home and work / guard .. you won't have any field bees. If you have more hives, you can equalize by moving frames of brood If you don't have a nectar flow on feeding is the best way to strengthen. Pouring 1 lbs of bees into an active hive would cause a good bee fight but wouldn't solve any problems. Dave On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 02:22:08 -0400, "J&DC" wrote: >Hello >I posted this message before but it never showed on my list. I requeened my >hive this spring after coming out of winter queenless. The new queen is >laying and I now have capped brood. The population of workers if very low >now and I don't think they will make it. I have a package coming soon and >would like to add about 1 pound of workers from this package to my old hive. >I would then install the other 2 pounds in my new hive. How can this be >done? Can find nothing in my books. >Dave > > Article 30016 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "J&DC" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: foundation press? Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 09:03:53 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-4iM2dsg9+H9i3RQVjWJegMOdpKa2BguzKaLc7p7tW/fwV8STD8C8AMdjXS1QbQeZyilZ2VxOTsBxlK7!n1zvN++Qr0l/xaxGIfAsTUPXnlmW9US5k60xjVmP0q1MFvE6Ds9O2Wv19/Z9WuQV8MUBygC3YdP0!hTRf7s82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 02:47:49 -0400 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30016 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1433736568 check this out. dave Article 30017 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B17D209.17E4466A@telus.net> From: Edward Banas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Phacelia References: <5564f45f.0105312153.1a2b9653@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 11 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:30:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.53.81.97 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 991416647 209.53.81.97 (Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:30:47 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 11:30:47 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30017 The DAM SEED CO. located in Flamboro Ontario, Canada. Price $9.50 CAN for 125 grams approx 60000 seeds "Fr. Athanasios" wrote: > Greetings to all, > > Can some one provide some information where I can purchase some "Phacelia" seed? > Thank you very much for your help! > Fr. Athanasios Article 30018 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How to? Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:53:03 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3b17d593.55639666@news1.radix.net> References: <7VMR6.15240$Uo3.634343@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p27.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30018 On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 02:22:08 -0400, "J&DC" wrote: >Hello >I posted this message before but it never showed on my list. I requeened my >hive this spring after coming out of winter queenless. The new queen is >laying and I now have capped brood. The population of workers if very low >now and I don't think they will make it. I have a package coming soon and >would like to add about 1 pound of workers from this package to my old hive. >I would then install the other 2 pounds in my new hive. How can this be >done? Can find nothing in my books. >Dave > > It shouldn't be a problem. Spray the bees (package and hive) with sugar water just before you dump the in. This will keep them from flying and by the time they clean themselves up they won't know who is who. The package hive is going to be pretty weak by the time the new brood starts to hatch so you will have to feed them constantly and watch for robbing. beekeep Article 30019 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <7VMR6.15240$Uo3.634343@news6.giganews.com> Subject: Re: How to? Lines: 30 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:11:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.72.45.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991419060 12.72.45.200 (Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:11:00 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 18:11:00 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30019 You can do this without weakening either hive. Install the 3# package with queen above a double queen excluder over the weak hive and let the colony function as a 2 queen unit. You will get rapid build-up and then you can split them a little later in the season. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To reply via e-mail get the "L" out of there "J&DC" wrote in message news:7VMR6.15240$Uo3.634343@news6.giganews.com... > Hello > I posted this message before but it never showed on my list. I requeened my > hive this spring after coming out of winter queenless. The new queen is > laying and I now have capped brood. The population of workers if very low > now and I don't think they will make it. I have a package coming soon and > would like to add about 1 pound of workers from this package to my old hive. > I would then install the other 2 pounds in my new hive. How can this be > done? Can find nothing in my books. > Dave > > Article 30020 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.138.198!not-for-mail From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Foundation Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 13:49:44 -0500 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4dofht0sf36t6jv5vtnqca5a4u9rr7hlm2@4ax.com> References: <9f2935$dc6$1@plutonium.btinternet.com> Reply-To: ckrogrr@frankensteinface.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.138.198 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 991421386 3039423 216.167.138.198 (16 [35320]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30020 Peter, in Scotland..humm. I would not disturb the hive with the old comb, I would put a new box of frames and foundation on top of the old box and let the bees develop it into comb as they needed. Another thing to remember is don't bother adding new foundation anywhere if there's not a 'furious' nectar flow going on, and also that the temperature is warm enough for wax to be 'produced' that is at least 80F Does it ever get to 80F in Scotland Peter? Maybe you need to have a Euro co-operative with other beekeepers and set up a comb making operation in the south of France. As a member of the co-op you could import the new combs to Scotland just in time for the Heather flow. Wayhay the Scots. (sorry about phonetic spelling) C.K. Article 30021 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.uunet.ca!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Why thicker in the fall? Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:16:40 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.116.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991429974 209.226.116.136 (Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:12:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 17:12:54 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30021 "Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message news:3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com... > I think you will want to use 1:1 syrup. The 2:1 is for fall feeding. I've read that (and am following that advice) but I haven't seen the reason for it anywhere. Why do we feed thicker syrup in the fall? Frank. Article 30022 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Jun 2001 23:23:28 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Message-ID: <20010601192328.24292.00001779@ng-cq1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30022 To not stimulate brood production and to limit moisture Article 30023 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Update Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 22:01:23 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30023 For those who still 'surf'. We have upgraded our site, new pics, new lower prices, even some new items. Come visit http://www.beeworks.com Regards to all, Dave.....-- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 30024 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Date: 1 Jun 2001 20:40:24 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991453224 31400 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2001 03:40:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2001 03:40:24 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30024 Howdy Frank -- Thick syrup can have the water content reduced for storage quicker in order to beat the lower temperatures which delays evaporation of excessive water. Pete ******************************************** Article 30025 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 5 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2001 04:09:07 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: chimney effect Message-ID: <20010602000907.01628.00002361@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30025 Its been awhile since I was active in beekeeping but it seems that at times I experimented with a queen screen(sorry I forget the term) to allow the workers to get through but not the queen or drones. It would keep the queen in the lower brood boxes and allow the upper super for honey. Comments? Article 30026 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 6 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2001 04:19:43 GMT References: <20010527145047.24269.00001289@ng-cq1.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Burr combs problem Message-ID: <20010602001943.01628.00002362@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30026 I had this problem and I cut the super down so when it was placed over/and/or another super placed on top there wasn't the room to build out burr combs. This also cut down on the problem of propolis filling that space too. You do need to leave some bee space to keep from squashing the workers when you replace the frames. Article 30027 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2001 04:21:39 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: russian bees Message-ID: <20010602002139.01628.00002363@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30027 >Hi anyone have any info on the russian bees. If they're not russian are they bizy anyway? Article 30028 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu!news.redhat.com!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!ash.uu.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: rojo2g@aol.com (Rojo2G) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2001 04:57:56 GMT References: <3B0A754C.94CFA324@tir.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Wild bees in a mobile home Message-ID: <20010602005756.01628.00002364@ng-da1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30028 Its a problem I had thought about and the answer is possibly something that I read: Get a beekeeper that wants to try this, and it may be worth it to offer him/her money. It will take time (weeks) to complete this Block all the entrances to the hive but one. Somehow arrange a one-way bee escape to the entrance. Have another hive with queen nearby. As the bees leave the mobile home and can't get in they will move to the other hive. Eventually the hive in the mobile home will die off. Once the hive inside the home is dead, take off the one-way and allow the bees from the hive, it can be moved away, to rob the one in the home. When the activity stops, close up the opening. All you have in the walls now is wax. Comments? Article 30029 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.cc.ukans.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 09:33:09 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.116.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991490145 209.226.116.119 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 09:55:45 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 09:55:45 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30029 "Pete" wrote: > Howdy Frank -- > > Thick syrup can have the water content reduced for storage quicker > in order to beat the lower temperatures which delays evaporation of > excessive water. Thanks - that makes sense. What is the advantage of a thinner syrup in the spring - is it easier for the bees to collect? Frank. Article 30030 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.logical.net!not-for-mail From: "huestis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 13:41:39 -0700 Organization: Logical Net Lines: 15 Message-ID: <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip-209-23-8-197.modem.logical.net X-Trace: newsfeed.logical.net 991504042 12586 209.23.8.197 (2 Jun 2001 17:47:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@logical.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2001 17:47:22 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30030 > Thanks - that makes sense. What is the advantage of a thinner syrup in the > spring - is it easier for the bees to collect? > Brood stimulation. Clay Article 30031 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Upgrade Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 13:57:25 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30031 For those who still have time to 'Surf'. We have upgraded our web site, new lower prices, new items, new pics. Come and visit http://www.beeworks.com Regards to all. Dave.....---- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** Article 30032 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Jenter queen rearing system Message-ID: References: <20010526220242.29201.00001845@ng-ff1.aol.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 18:07:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 991505227 4.33.104.183 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:07:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:07:07 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net X-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 11:05:05 PDT (newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net) Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30032 nopcme@aol.com (Nopcme) wrote: >I am a hobby beekeeper with around 20 colonies. I have been given a Jenter >queen rearing system and now ask all out there who have experience with the >system to give me some hints on do's and don't's when using the system. Jim, queen rearing with the Jenter system is similar to grafting methods after the larva are transferred to the queen cups. Some basics on the Jenter system are on my website at: http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/queens.htm but ask if you have any specific questions. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 30033 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!news.stealth.net!news-east.rr.com!news.rr.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Michael Mcelroy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: need formula for substitute pollen Lines: 6 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:13:10 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 32.100.218.35 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991509190 32.100.218.35 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:13:10 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 19:13:10 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30033 Hi Does any one have good formula for pollen substitute that i can make myself. texas Article 30034 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Taylor Francis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: When to add supers... Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 15:22:24 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 12 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30034 I just recently added a second brood chamber to my 2 hives (each is 5 weeks old). When do I add a honey super? I know I probably won't get much (any?) honey from them this year...oh well.. BTW: Do I leave the queen excluder in place during the winter, or let her up into the honey super? And where do I drill the upper entrance? Honey super or brood chamber? Thanks... Taylor Article 30035 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "H. Rogers" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 16:39:01 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3B195CF5.EFC49303@arkansas.net> Reply-To: hrogers@arkansas.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BB7A44DBBC95D3A503D1E261" X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 38 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30035 --------------BB7A44DBBC95D3A503D1E261 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy Frank -- As Huestes answered -- for brood stimulation. Some think thinner syrup simulates nectar and makes the bees "think" spring has arrived. Sounds good, but this spring (Feb 1) I started feeding last year's honey crop undiluted. It seemed to work just as well as syrup to stimulate brood raising. Pete ********************************************************** --------------BB7A44DBBC95D3A503D1E261 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy Frank --

 As Huestes answered -- for brood stimulation.  Some think thinner syrup
simulates nectar and makes the bees "think" spring has arrived.  Sounds good, but this spring (Feb 1) I started feeding last year's honey crop undiluted. It seemed to work just as well as syrup to stimulate brood raising.

                 Pete
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  --------------BB7A44DBBC95D3A503D1E261-- Article 30036 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news-in.mts.net!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> Subject: Why thinner in the spring? (Was why thicker in the fall) Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <7DcS6.1413$ZW.396946@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:18:13 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.116.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991516227 209.226.116.127 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 17:10:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 17:10:27 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30036 "huestis" wrote : > > Thanks - that makes sense. What is the advantage of a thinner syrup in the > > spring - is it easier for the bees to collect? > > Brood stimulation. > > Clay How does it do that? Is the syrup fed directly to the queen, and does the consistency of the syrup affect the rate at which she lays, or is there some other mechanism at work? Frank. Article 30037 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: When to add supers... Lines: 42 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:43:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.42.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991525408 12.73.42.60 (Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:43:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:43:28 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30037 If your 2nd brood box was foundation, you should wait until about 7 or 8 frames have been drawn, then add the honey super if necessary, one at a time if using foundation. I would omit the QX if using foundation unless you are going to produce comb honey. If you are dealing with drawn frames, you can add as much as you like at any time. You are asking questions about wintering without giving any indication of your location. I have no idea if you need to leave a honey super on or not. I don't as it just sits there untouched. I will tell you though that you should NOT leave a QX in place in the winter. If the cluster moves up to get to the stores and the queen can't follow, she is a goner. As for the hole, if you are talking about winter ventilation it should go on the uppermost box you leave them, whatever it is. If you are talking about an entrance for the workers to use to by-pass the QX, then it obviously goes above the QX. You can also accomplish either without boring holes in your hive bodies. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Taylor Francis" wrote in message news:3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com... > I just recently added a second brood chamber to my 2 hives (each is 5 > weeks old). When do I add a honey super? > > I know I probably won't get much (any?) honey from them this year...oh > well.. > > BTW: Do I leave the queen excluder in place during the winter, or let > her up into the honey super? And where do I drill the upper entrance? > Honey super or brood chamber? > > Thanks... > Taylor Article 30038 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thicker in the fall? Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 21:45:29 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3e5jht4umbtvv0k7dvb9jdm3kln49h15p9@4ax.com> References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30038 You feed 1:1 in the spring to stimulate the queen to lay more eggs, AKA stimulative feeding. She thinks there is nectar coming in and the need for more workers. When the feeding stops and there is no nectar coming in she will slow down or stop laying eggs. You feed 1:2 in the fall if the hive has not put enough honey away, or you took too much, to get through the winter. By making it with more sugar there is less water to evaporate with the days getting cooler. 1:2 could be useding the spring, but this is a wast of sugar. Pat On Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:16:40 -0400, "Frank" wrote: > >"Billy Y. Smart II" wrote in message >news:3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com... >> I think you will want to use 1:1 syrup. The 2:1 is for fall feeding. > >I've read that (and am following that advice) but I haven't seen the reason >for it anywhere. Why do we feed thicker syrup in the fall? > >Frank. > Article 30039 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: Patrick M. Hennessey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thinner in the spring? (Was why thicker in the fall) Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 21:56:12 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <7DcS6.1413$ZW.396946@news20.bellglobal.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30039 On Sat, 2 Jun 2001 17:18:13 -0400, "Frank" wrote: The syrup is collected from the feeder that you put in the hive, and stored the syrup in the comb the same as nectar. The bees evaporate the excess water and seal the cell. This gives the hive the appearance of bringing nectar, which stimulates the queen to lay more eggs. You feed before the nectar flow so the colony will be at it's maximum strength to collect nectar when the flow starts to make honey. > >How does it do that? Is the syrup fed directly to the queen, and does the >consistency of the syrup affect the rate at which she lays, or is there some >other mechanism at work? > >Frank. > Article 30040 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thinner in the spring? (Was why thicker in the fall) Date: 2 Jun 2001 20:29:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <7DcS6.1413$ZW.396946@news20.bellglobal.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991538960 487 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2001 03:29:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2001 03:29:20 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30040 Howdy again Frank -- The theory is that thin 1:1 syrup mimics nectar and makes the bees "think" spring has arrived, so they begin raising brood like crazy. In the northern states you folks have to be careful not to make more brood than the colony can keep warm. On Feb 1 this year I started feeding about 45 gallons of last year's honey undiluted. It worked fine and population exploded. When I feed sugar syrup in the spring to stimulate brood production, I make it 1:1 primarily because it is quick and simple to mix in tap water without having to heat water to make a 2:1 mix. Pete ********************************************************** Article 30041 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B19BA61.C7DBBC5C@indy.net> From: Tobi Elmore Organization: Arsenal Technical High School X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: russian bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 10 Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 23:17:37 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.183.71.152 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 991540887 209.183.71.152 (Sun, 03 Jun 2001 00:01:27 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 00:01:27 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30041 WE just started a hive with a russian queen. Since it was a new package I really can't make any notes other than they seem to like to fly in bad weather. Tobi Michael Mcelroy wrote: > Hi anyone have any info on the russian bees. Article 30042 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone0.chicago.il.ameritech.net!spamfilter!nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Doug Lindhout" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Whose swarm is it? Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:31:59 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.141.246.56 X-Trace: nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net 991575065 206.141.246.56 (Sun, 03 Jun 2001 08:31:05 CDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 08:31:05 CDT Organization: Ameritech.Net www.ameritech.net Complaints: abuse@ameritech.net Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30042 We got a call from the neighbors the other night. Seems a swarm had settled on one of their trees in front of their house. So, despite having never captured a swarm before, my wife and I got them out of the tree, hived them up, and now the queen is laying lots of eggs in one of my hives, thank you very much. But this process got me to thinking.... When I purchased my other bees, I *owned* them. Just like my dog, just like my horses. Now, if my dog or one of my horses wanders off, either I'll find them and return them, or a neighbor or someone else will get the word back to me to come pick them up. I don't know the law regarding this, but what I described seems to consistently work in practice. So, if my bees swarm and wander off my property, what are my legal rights, or, what are your legal rights if it is your swarm that wanders onto my land? Regardless of the law, what is common and accepted practice? Do I take a picture of the swarm and post it at the local bee shelter? I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Article 30043 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B176EA4.61A6708F@airtel.net> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 12:29:56 +0200 From: "Jose Matas (Airtel)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bacillus thuringiensis Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.241 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.73.49.241 X-Trace: 3 Jun 2001 12:22:10 +0100, 212.73.49.241 Lines: 33 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hammer.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!look.ca!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news!212.73.49.241 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30043 I read in the "organic" and "bio" law that this bacilus is allow to be used against moth(s). The EPA Biological & Economic Analysis Division, the French and European Union recomend its use. The only information that I could find was an EPA document for reregistration of it, as a Microbial Pesticide: Bacillus thuringiensis (all subspecies) Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israelensis Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies aizawai Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies tenebrionis Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki BMP123 Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2424 Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2371 Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2348 OPP Chemical Code: 006424 And the Trade Names: Vectobac, Dipel, Biobit WP, Biobit FC, Skeetal FC, Foray, Futura, Javelin, Bactospeine, Bactimos, M-one, Thuricide-HPC, Larvo-BT, Trident, Ditera, Novodor, Xentari, BMP 123, Condor, Cutlass, Foil, Agree, Raven, Able, Crymax Any expereince cultivating this bacilus and aplication at the hive. Best wishes, Jose Matas. Article 30044 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr combs problem Date: 3 Jun 2001 09:18:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <20010527110354.16710.00001493@ng-bg1.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 172.150.23.43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991585127 7675 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2001 16:18:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2001 16:18:47 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30044 Howdy Blue -- 9 frame spacing just naturally produces bridge comb between top bars. These bridges make it easy for the bees to move from frame to frame -- since they can't jump across. The solution for this problem is to make two "follower boards" for each hive body. You will probably not find this in the books, but it works fine except that it more equipment to make and keep up with. I make these by making two top bars only 1/2 inch wide for each hive body. A narrow groove is sawed in the bottom edge in the bottom of each of them and 1/2 inch hardware the depth of a regular frame is fastened in this groove. Since very little burr comb is attached to this wire, it can be easily removed to give plenty of space for the regular frames to be removed. This keeps the 9 frames crowed closely together and prevents most of the burr and bridge comb. Pete ***************************************************** Article 30045 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "David Eyre" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus thuringiensis Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:32:10 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3B176EA4.61A6708F@airtel.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 50 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30045 We have imported for a number of years 'Certan' for use against wax moth. It is the only biological larvaecide which is formulated for wax moth. New supplier, price $14.32 enough to treat 110 frames. Works well. Regards Dave..... -- ******************************************** The Bee Works, 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 705 326 7171 http://www.beeworks.com *************************************** "Jose Matas (Airtel)" wrote in message news:3B176EA4.61A6708F@airtel.net... > I read in the "organic" and "bio" law that this bacilus is allow to be > used against > moth(s). The EPA Biological & Economic Analysis Division, the French > and European Union recomend its use. > > The only information that I could find was an EPA document for > reregistration of > it, as a Microbial Pesticide: > > Bacillus thuringiensis (all subspecies) > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israelensis > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies aizawai > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies tenebrionis > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki BMP123 > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2424 > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2371 > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2348 > OPP Chemical Code: 006424 > > And the Trade Names: > Vectobac, Dipel, Biobit WP, Biobit FC, Skeetal FC, Foray, Futura, > Javelin, Bactospeine, > Bactimos, M-one, Thuricide-HPC, Larvo-BT, Trident, Ditera, Novodor, > Xentari, BMP > 123, Condor, Cutlass, Foil, Agree, Raven, Able, Crymax > > Any expereince cultivating this bacilus and aplication at the hive. > > Best wishes, > > Jose Matas. > Article 30046 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeeds.belnet.be!news.belnet.be!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!netnews.globalip.ch!news.vtx.ch!not-for-mail From: "Martin-Paul Broennimann" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 23:07:26 +0200 Organization: VTX Services SA Lines: 42 Message-ID: <9fe8vt$9vt1@news.vtx.ch> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ge-dial-4-p52.vtx.ch X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30046 Can you prove the origin of a swarm? Maybe in some few cases. Otherwise the finder is the keeper. -- Best regards... Visit our website=> www.broennimann.com Mailto=> info@broennimann.com Martin-Paul Broennimann architecte et urbaniste 14, rue du Diorama CH 1204 Genève Suisse tél. portable 0041 78 6272967 Doug Lindhout a écrit dans le message : t_qS6.2284$Y54.102103@nntp0.chicago.il.ameritech.net... > We got a call from the neighbors the other night. Seems a swarm had settled > on one of their trees in front of their house. So, despite having never > captured a swarm before, my wife and I got them out of the tree, hived them > up, and now the queen is laying lots of eggs in one of my hives, thank you > very much. > > But this process got me to thinking.... > When I purchased my other bees, I *owned* them. Just like my dog, just > like my horses. > Now, if my dog or one of my horses wanders off, either I'll find them and > return them, or a neighbor or someone else will get the word back to me to > come pick them up. I don't know the law regarding this, but what I > described seems to consistently work in practice. > So, if my bees swarm and wander off my property, what are my legal rights, > or, what are your legal rights if it is your swarm that wanders onto my > land? Regardless of the law, what is common and accepted practice? Do I > take a picture of the swarm and post it at the local bee shelter? > > I would appreciate your thoughts on this. > > > > Article 30047 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3fyS6.1155$to1.1619@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 21:46:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 991604799 209.204.149.239 (Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:46:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:46:39 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30047 In article , "Doug Lindhout" wrote: > When I purchased my other bees, I *owned* them. Just like my dog, just > like my horses. Yeah, you own them... Until they leave. After that, unless you're the one that re-hives 'em, wave bye-bye. > Now, if my dog or one of my horses wanders off, either I'll find them and > return them, or a neighbor or someone else will get the word back to me to > come pick them up. I don't know the law regarding this, but what I > described seems to consistently work in practice. For livestock or pets, there's specific legal hoops to jump through, all of which (to my knowledge as a horseman) involve attempting to contact the rightful owner and return his valuable lost property. Legally, I don't think bees are counted as livestock, and I'm nearly certain that they aren't pets in the eyes of the law. Bee HARDWARE, on the other hand, is definitely property that's subject to the "try to give it back to the rightful owner" laws. > So, if my bees swarm and wander off my property, what are my legal rights, To the best of my knowledge, you have none, unless you follow them and put them in a hive. > or, what are your legal rights if it is your swarm that wanders onto my Same as yours, listed in full in my previous sentence. > land? Regardless of the law, what is common and accepted practice? Do I > take a picture of the swarm and post it at the local bee shelter? Common and accepted practice (as far as I've been able to determine in my "rookiehood") for a swarm of unknown origin is "You catch it, you keep it, end of discussion." Disclaimer: IANAL! I don't even play one on TV! :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 30048 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:00:14 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30048 On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 09:31:59 -0400, "Doug Lindhout" wrote: >We got a call from the neighbors the other night. Seems a swarm had settled >on one of their trees in front of their house. So, despite having never >captured a swarm before, my wife and I got them out of the tree, hived them >up, and now the queen is laying lots of eggs in one of my hives, thank you >very much. > >But this process got me to thinking.... >When I purchased my other bees, I *owned* them. Just like my dog, just >like my horses. >Now, if my dog or one of my horses wanders off, either I'll find them and >return them, or a neighbor or someone else will get the word back to me to >come pick them up. I don't know the law regarding this, but what I >described seems to consistently work in practice. >So, if my bees swarm and wander off my property, what are my legal rights, >or, what are your legal rights if it is your swarm that wanders onto my >land? Regardless of the law, what is common and accepted practice? Do I >take a picture of the swarm and post it at the local bee shelter? > >I would appreciate your thoughts on this. > > > > Bees are not considered domesticated animals. Whoever finds the swarm owns them. Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. You do need permission to cut the tree though. beekeep Article 30049 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 1 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: bluetaz37@aol.com (Blue Taz37) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Jun 2001 02:10:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Splits Message-ID: <20010603221037.07451.00000862@ng-bd1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30049 Give it few more day. The weather might hold up. Article 30050 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long is honey flow? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 7 Message-ID: <717-3B1AEC90-156@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAp+yxdNndDZXinH27l1nGU899KUsCFCnm9pKx29jE6tAI415gYpf9OeFr Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30050 ts83 asked earlier: I live in the central Georgia area. Does anyone have any info on planting nectar/pollen sources for bees. Is it possible to have a honey flow all summer? I live in N.W. Georgia. Same question. How long is the honey flow? Article 30051 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!not-for-mail From: pambs@webtv.net (Miss Pamb) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long is honey flow? Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 22:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 5 Message-ID: <717-3B1AECBF-157@storefull-245.iap.bryant.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAnfGVd5jflK9NJRBwoc0uNP34DNgCFGOx02mohApz+bSxu+tj93h6sWZz Content-Disposition: Inline Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30051 ts83 asked earlier: I live in the central Georgia area. Does anyone have any info on planting nectar/pollen sources for bees. Is it possible to have a honey flow all summer? Article 30052 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!feeder.via.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 21:53:45 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-uFyUqUwZC+U4nCkARCkSCuSmX029wUhOgDjYb/nzpxhHR5QjevJZwlgHuvEbkxBDF3GqzYSHVJzqHjr!q20krQmZK09TA0b8BY0kr42/itbwkpADTx5ZtclMssg7dEgQwpCO8kUSoxY0AAbtfrQ/ph1nE/zY!nw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:56:07 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30052 "beekeep" wrote in message news:3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net... > Bees are not considered domesticated animals. Whoever finds the swarm > owns them. Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the > property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. You do need > permission to cut the tree though. Wouldn't this depend on what country, state, province, etc. one might be a resident of? I don't recall where the original poster was from, or if he/she even said, but the last I heard local laws vary considerably by jurisdiction... Skip -- Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 30053 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail From: "David" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thinner in the spring? (Was why thicker in the fall) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 23:27:47 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 20 Message-ID: <9feu3f$1hv$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <7DcS6.1413$ZW.396946@news20.bellglobal.com> Reply-To: "David" NNTP-Posting-Host: d1.56.49.ee X-Server-Date: 4 Jun 2001 03:08:31 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30053 Hello Pete What method did you use to feed the honey back to the bees? I have some honey I need to feed back to the bees, I contaminated it with Apistan. I will feed it back in the winter. I live in Central Georgia. David A. Pete wrote in message news:bc3bf29.0106021929.179c32f8@posting.google.com... > Howdy again Frank -- > On Feb 1 this year I started feeding about 45 gallons of last > year's honey undiluted. It worked fine and population exploded. > When I feed sugar syrup in the spring to stimulate brood production, > I make it 1:1 primarily because it is quick and simple to mix in > tap water without having to heat water to make a 2:1 mix. > > Pete > ********************************************************** Article 30054 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp3.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 22:26:35 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.31.48 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp3.onemain.com 991624559 208.235.31.48 (Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:15:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 23:15:59 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30054 beekeep wrote: > Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the > property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. Bullshit! If you think you can come on to *my* property and claim them, you have another think coming. Carve your initials into one of my trees? I think not. Once they cross the line onto my land *you* stop - otherwise its trespassing. Survivors will be prosecuted. AL Article 30055 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!hammer.uoregon.edu!feed.textport.net!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!portc.blue.aol.com.MISMATCH!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Lines: 16 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Jun 2001 05:04:23 GMT References: <3fyS6.1155$to1.1619@typhoon.sonic.net> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Message-ID: <20010604010423.27632.00002566@ng-xb1.news.cs.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30055 >Legally, I don't think bees are counted as livestock, Actually bees are livestock and is therefore a federal crime to kill them. As for a swarm there is virtually no way to identify or mark bees so how can you even guess? my two cents worth anyway Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 30056 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 11:43:47 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30056 On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 22:26:35 -0700, AL wrote: >beekeep wrote: > > > >> Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the >> property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. > > > >Bullshit! > >If you think you can come on to *my* property and claim them, you have >another think coming. Carve your initials into one of my trees? I think >not. Once they cross the line onto my land *you* stop - otherwise its >trespassing. Survivors will be prosecuted. > > >AL This may be true but you can't touch them either! If you do you can be prosecuted for stealing. It has happened. beekeep Article 30057 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 11:44:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3b1b747c.232581484@news1.radix.net> References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p9.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30057 I am talking about the U.S. beekeep On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:56:07 -0700, "The Rock Garden" wrote: > > >"beekeep" wrote in message >news:3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net... > >> Bees are not considered domesticated animals. Whoever finds the swarm >> owns them. Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the >> property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. You do need >> permission to cut the tree though. > > >Wouldn't this depend on what country, state, province, etc. one might be a >resident of? I don't recall where the original poster was from, or if >he/she even said, but the last I heard local laws vary considerably by >jurisdiction... > >Skip > >-- >Skip & Christy Hensler >THE ROCK GARDEN >Newport, WA >http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > > Article 30058 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Jun 2001 13:03:29 GMT References: <20010604010423.27632.00002566@ng-xb1.news.cs.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Message-ID: <20010604090329.21359.00002327@ng-co1.aol.com> Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30058 If a swarm settles into my front hedge and the bees manage to sting my neighbors the swarm belongs to you. If I manage to hive the swarm the swarm belongs to me. Article 30059 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 40 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 09:41:08 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.5.18 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 991665651 208.235.5.18 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 10:40:51 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 10:40:51 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30059 beekeep wrote: > > lithar@midwest.net wrote: > > >beekeep wrote: > > > > > > > >> Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the > >> property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. > > > >If you think you can come on to *my* property and claim them, you have > >another think coming. > > > >AL > > This may be true but you can't touch them either! Watch me, heh heh heh > If you do you can be prosecuted for stealing. Stealing *what*? They are feral bees. (From Webster's, feral - 2a: not domesticated or cultivated: WILD b: having escaped from domestication and become wild) AND, they are in *my* tree on *my* property and *you* are in jail/hospital for trespassing :) AL Article 30060 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Why thinner in the spring? (Was why thicker in the fall) Date: 4 Jun 2001 08:40:58 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <3AEEBC6B.4B453FF7@yahoo.com> <3AEF503F.E97623C2@nospam.boeing.com> <9fb8ra$c9a$1@newsfeed.logical.net> <7DcS6.1413$ZW.396946@news20.bellglobal.com> <9feu3f$1hv$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.199.153 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991669258 20894 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2001 15:40:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2001 15:40:58 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30060 Howdy David -- I used top feeders on top of the hive so they are easily visible and do not incite robbing as an entrance tends to do, or drowning as is common with an internal feeder. I used temporary board tops (plywood etc) and cut a hole in the top to accompany a regular fruit jar lid. Punch 10 or so small holes in the lid with a small frame nail so the undiluted honey can be taken easily. the honey will not freeze and break the jar. If you plan on feeding for winter food, that you start about October 1 so the bees will have time to store it in combs. Of course the honey can be stored "as is" without having to evapordate extra water as would have to be done with diluted honey or nectar. Emergency winter feeding can be done the same way because the cluster can form around the jar lid at its center. That is not as effective as clustering on honey, but is more effective than sugar or sugar candy on the inner cover or internal feeders. Pete ********************************************************* Article 30061 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3B189372.65C8946C@airtel.net> Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 09:19:14 +0200 From: "Jose Matas (Airtel)" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: es,en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bacillus thuringiensis References: <3B176EA4.61A6708F@airtel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.73 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.73 X-Trace: 4 Jun 2001 18:02:13 +0100, 212.166.131.73 Lines: 64 Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!EU.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!news!212.166.131.73 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30061 Dave: First thanks for the info. Could you indentify the "New supplier", since here in Mallorca, Europe I have no way to identify it. Best wishes, David Eyre wrote: > We have imported for a number of years 'Certan' for use against wax moth. It > is the only biological larvaecide which is formulated for wax moth. > New supplier, price $14.32 enough to treat 110 frames. Works well. > Regards Dave..... > -- > ******************************************** > The Bee Works, > 5 Edith Drive, R R # 2, > Orillia, ON. Canada. L3V 6H2 > 705 326 7171 > http://www.beeworks.com > *************************************** > > "Jose Matas (Airtel)" wrote in message > news:3B176EA4.61A6708F@airtel.net... > > I read in the "organic" and "bio" law that this bacilus is allow to be > > used against > > moth(s). The EPA Biological & Economic Analysis Division, the French > > and European Union recomend its use. > > > > The only information that I could find was an EPA document for > > reregistration of > > it, as a Microbial Pesticide: > > > > Bacillus thuringiensis (all subspecies) > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies israelensis > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies aizawai > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies tenebrionis > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki BMP123 > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2424 > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2371 > > Bacillus thuringiensis subspecies kurstaki EG2348 > > OPP Chemical Code: 006424 > > > > And the Trade Names: > > Vectobac, Dipel, Biobit WP, Biobit FC, Skeetal FC, Foray, Futura, > > Javelin, Bactospeine, > > Bactimos, M-one, Thuricide-HPC, Larvo-BT, Trident, Ditera, Novodor, > > Xentari, BMP > > 123, Condor, Cutlass, Foil, Agree, Raven, Able, Crymax > > > > Any expereince cultivating this bacilus and aplication at the hive. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Jose Matas. > > Article 30062 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:30:56 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30062 Interesting post! Whole wars have been started over bee trees. If I remember correctly, Iowa, and Missouri got into a war over a bee tree located on the border of the two states. At one time, it was common practice to "mark" a bee tree, and no one else could touch it except the person who marked it, even if it was on anothers property. This was back in the days of free roaming livestock and such. When communities of people felt that sharing what they had, including land, was a good thing. Back before you needed permission or exclusive hunting rights to hunt on someones property! Today most people have become very greedy about what they own. You can tell too, they are the ones who post their property every 20 feet with eyesore signs or purple paint, or threaten to lock you up! If you are gonna be that paranoid, move back to the city where you came from! These are the same people that wonder why their neighbors never accept them into the community, or think they are "odd ducks". Now, where I come from, if a bee tree is found on anothers property, you quietly harvest the honey and the bees, and hope the landowner never finds out. It is only against the law when you get caught! :) Good luck! Article 30063 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!165.113.238.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to add supers... Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:11:37 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 26 Message-ID: <9fgc0a0l9s@enews1.newsguy.com> References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.123.245.60 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30063 There are other ways to add winter ventilation/entrances to hives without boring holes in perfectly good equipment. Two good methods come to mind that are far less destructive than using a drill and bit on the hive. The first way is to use a shim that goes between 2 supers called an Imirie shim. Basically, it is a narrow shim with an entrance already cut into it. Works great as a winter entrance if used on the uppermost hive body below the inner cover. It also makes a great second entrance that can be used above a queen excluder so the bees dont have to travel through the crowded brood boxes. Yes, it DOES violate bee space, but the bees seem to keep burr comb to a minimum when using one. Brushy Mountain sells them, or you can easily design and make your own. I have used them for about 3 years now, and they are great! A tip of the hive tool to George Imirie for designing such a neat item! The second way is to cut a groove in the upper edge (top rim) of your inner cover. I make my own inner covers, and include a 3/8" deep, 1 1/2 inch wide groove in the inner cover to allow for ventilation, and as a winter opening if needed. I know how the bored holes got started, but personally, they can be a pain because they are never in the right place, they have to be plugged up, and they are another place that rot can start. I have been given, and bought some used equipment over the years that had holes bored into them. Unless the box is in extraordinarily good condition, if it has a bored hole in a handhold, it gets sacrificed in a fire to the bee Gods! IMHO, but the boring of holes in supers is a practice that should be given up for good. Good luck with your hives! Scott Moser Article 30064 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!207.207.0.26!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!news6.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3b1b747c.232581484@news1.radix.net> Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Lines: 62 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <50QS6.22976$Uo3.848550@news6.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 12:59:29 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-LDrWUvpxkK5yniVgnXdzOmmUNbV04MtvUgrmxu9s1Z2nCsjjP0lJ/m2amxdZxQ0iiHFV4wEZ9yalwUB!jrwyrBFuMs7ya1Wu9289pzbK8Tr40fsZBlShlCJxsZjd7MZblUl+20PTiWRwIusHkXFCn6WdRyt/!vg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 10:53:53 -0700 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30064 You may very well be correct for whatever part of the U. S. you live in but, with all due respect, I can assure you that your blanket statement doesn't apply equally to property laws throughout the country as a whole. Here in Wash. state only tax assessors, game wardens, land surveyors and sheriff's deputies (under certain circumstances) may legally enter private property without either a warrant or the landowners permission . There is one exception where one can enter non-agricultural private property that is neither fenced or posted to hunt, but even then cutting down a bee tree, or carving one's initials into it, could be deemed as destruction of private property. The laws/regulations on federal and state property are just as strict, and if you have any plans on removing *anything* from these lands without the proper permit you best have your bail bondsman on your speed dialer... I'm not sure if all states have their criminal code on the Net, but here one can research on line the RCWs and WACs for any portion of the law they might have a question about. If this information isn't readily available, perhaps a call to the local county extension agent or prosecutor's office might answer the question more accurately for the jurisdiction in question than free, one-size-fits-all, legal advice? Skip - Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ "beekeep" wrote in message news:3b1b747c.232581484@news1.radix.net... > I am talking about the U.S. > >"beekeep" wrote in message > >news:3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net... > > > >> Bees are not considered domesticated animals. Whoever finds the swarm > >> owns them. Even a bee tree found on someonelses property is the > >> property of the finder who puts his initials on the tree. You do need > >> permission to cut the tree though. > On Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:56:07 -0700, "The Rock Garden" > wrote: > >Wouldn't this depend on what country, state, province, etc. one might be a > >resident of? I don't recall where the original poster was from, or if > >he/she even said, but the last I heard local laws vary considerably by > >jurisdiction... Article 30065 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.stealth.net!207.35.177.132.MISMATCH!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: ants under the topcover Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 14:18:41 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.223.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991678484 216.209.223.15 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 14:14:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 14:14:44 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30065 I examined my hives today, and found a few hundred small ants between the top and inside covers. There was no evidence of damage to the hive or other construction by the ants, and there did not seem to be any significant number inside the hive. Should I be concerned? Frank. Article 30066 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!newsfeed.utk.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail From: "CharlesW" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sun-bathing Bees? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:20:41 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 7 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30066 It has really started to get hot here in central Texas, where I keep my bees. I've started to notice that a great many of my bees have what looks to be, "sun-bleached" hair on the backs of their thorax. Is this what it is and is it normal? If it isn't, is it something I should be worried about, like a fungus or parasite or something? Article 30067 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 22:18:44 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3b1c08bd.24381943@news1.radix.net> References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p44.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30067 On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:30:56 -0500, "scott moser" wrote: >Interesting post! Whole wars have been started over bee trees. If I >remember correctly, Iowa, and Missouri got into a war over a bee tree >located on the border of the two states. At one time, it was common practice >to "mark" a bee tree, and no one else could touch it except the person who >marked it, even if it was on anothers property. This was back in the days >of free roaming livestock and such. When communities of people felt that >sharing what they had, including land, was a good thing. Back before you >needed permission or exclusive hunting rights to hunt on someones property! >Today most people have become very greedy about what they own. You can tell >too, they are the ones who post their property every 20 feet with eyesore >signs or purple paint, or threaten to lock you up! If you are gonna be that >paranoid, move back to the city where you came from! These are the same >people that wonder why their neighbors never accept them into the community, >or think they are "odd ducks". Now, where I come from, if a bee tree is >found on anothers property, you quietly harvest the honey and the bees, and >hope the landowner never finds out. It is only against the law when you get >caught! :) Good luck! > > True, most of the bee tree laws are very old, going back 100+ years or so when sweetners were at a premium. There are many many old laws on the books that are for the most part overlooked. But they are still law! beekeep Article 30068 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!POSTED.newshog.newsread.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C27BC.9528BD5F@northnet.org> From: Lady Java Reply-To: piercerb-java@northnet.org Organization: Noah's Ark Fairies & Wee Ones X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Adding a second super? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:24:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.94.61 X-Complaints-To: Abuse Role , We Care X-Trace: newshog.newsread.com 991697071 205.232.94.61 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:24:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:24:31 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30068 Greetings all - A quick question... I'm headed into my second year with my bees, and this year I get to actually maybe get some honey from them... I've got one hive that is ready for a second super, my question is, where does this second super go? Above or under to first one? And does this first super, when it's full, stay on the hive, or do I take it off and store it somewhere? Thanks in advance... Jen Article 30069 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news0.telusplanet.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to add supers... From: allend@internode.net (Allen Dick) References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> <9fgc0a0l9s@enews1.newsguy.com> Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.05.11 Lines: 24 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:35:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.161.229.181 X-Trace: news0.telusplanet.net 991697755 198.161.229.181 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:35:55 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 17:35:55 MDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30069 "scott moser" posted > IMHO, but > the boring of holes in supers is a practice that should be given up for > good. Gee, Scott. That's a strong position. I hope it only applies to your own boxes and that you are not trying to tell others what they must do -- especially those of us who have been around the block a few times and have decided after careful consideration that holes in the right place are essential to our management systems. Farrar (who apparently was a pretty savvy beekeeper) would roll over in his grave, and a lot of very good beekeepers would have to start carrying around and storing a bunch of extra equipment. The shims *may* make sense for hobbyists, but I doubt any commercial operator would seriously consider them after trying them for a while. They are one more thing to have the wrong number of -- and they are hard to stack on a truck. Moreover they are easy to break and cost money. Holes on the other hand are easy to transport -- and I can buy a whole truckload of holes for free. allen Article 30070 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.71!wnfilter1!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B1C27BC.9528BD5F@northnet.org> Subject: Re: Adding a second super? Lines: 32 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:18 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991698138 12.73.40.127 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:18 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30070 Why make extra work for yourself. Put it on top unless you are making comb honey (with comb honey you want to minimize travel stains). The full one can either remain, be removed and stored (watch out for wax moth and fermentation though unless you put it in a freezer), or be extracted and returned to the hive (they will refill it really quick). Obviously, the last option won't work with comb honey. If I don't have the time I go with the first option (leave it on). It will be preserved under ideal conditions. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "Lady Java" wrote in message news:3B1C27BC.9528BD5F@northnet.org... > Greetings all - > > A quick question... I'm headed into my second year with my bees, and > this year I get to actually maybe get some honey from them... I've got > one hive that is ready for a second super, my question is, where does > this second super go? Above or under to first one? And does this first > super, when it's full, stay on the hive, or do I take it off and store > it somewhere? Thanks in advance... > > Jen > > Article 30071 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!135.173.83.72!wnfilter2!worldnet-localpost!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Sun-bathing Bees? Lines: 24 Organization: Productive Solutions X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:17 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.73.40.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 991698137 12.73.40.127 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:42:17 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30071 Russians trying to look like Americans? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" gstyLer@att.net To respond via email, get the "L" out of there "CharlesW" wrote in message news:thnutih5ralacc@corp.supernews.com... > It has really started to get hot here in central Texas, where I keep my > bees. I've started to notice that a great many of my bees have what looks to > be, "sun-bleached" hair on the backs of their thorax. Is this what it is and > is it normal? If it isn't, is it something I should be worried about, like a > fungus or parasite or something? > > Article 30072 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.digex.net!dca6-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C1F2D.3A4B8E8E@mail.tqci.net> From: Christopher Drazba X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 23:52:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.244.8.120 X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: dca1-nnrp2.news.digex.net 991698723 64.244.8.120 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:52:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:52:03 EDT Organization: Intermedia Business Internet - Beltsville, MD Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30072 This is a question best answered by an allergist. That said, a friend of mine's doctor told him he has only a few minutes to stick himself with an epinephrine pen before his airway closes down (he is severely allergic). So, if you really are developing an allergic reaction, you could be dead in a few minutes. Charles Stretch Ledford wrote: > > In article <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net>, Dina and Don Hess > wrote: > > > if you're having > > a systemic reaction there's no telling how far it'll go. > > > > How long would it take for this kind of reaction to kill you? > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30073 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C25A3.E51D8060@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 18 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:19:47 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991700144 208.13.202.199 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:15:44 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:15:44 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30073 Who's the odd duck Scott. It's only right to ask the landowners permission to cut a bee tree. This is exactly why people post their land. It's only illegal if you get caught? You also never feel the bullet that kills you. scott moser wrote: > Interesting post! Whole wars have been started over bee trees. If I > remember correctly, Iowa, and Missouri got into a war over a bee tree > located on the border of the two states. If you are gonna be that > paranoid, move back to the city where you came from! These are the same > people that wonder why their neighbors never accept them into the community, > or think they are "odd ducks". Now, where I come from, if a bee tree is > found on anothers property, you quietly harvest the honey and the bees, and > hope the landowner never finds out. It is only against the law when you get > caught! :) Good luck! Article 30074 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C2701.FE1EF675@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sun-bathing Bees? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:25:37 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991700492 208.13.202.199 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:21:32 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:21:32 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30074 In my area it means that the bees are working chickory. We call them "stripers." Must be from the way the anthers are located on the flowers that puts the pollen on the bee's back? CharlesW wrote: > It has really started to get hot here in central Texas, where I keep my > bees. I've started to notice that a great many of my bees have what looks to > be, "sun-bleached" hair on the backs of their thorax. Is this what it is and > is it normal? If it isn't, is it something I should be worried about, like a > fungus or parasite or something? Article 30075 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ants under the topcover References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:23:23 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991700355 208.13.202.199 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:19:15 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:19:15 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30075 Does your inner cover have an escape hole? As long as the bees have access to the space there will be no ants. Frank wrote: > I examined my hives today, and found a few hundred small ants between the > top and inside covers. There was no evidence of damage to the hive or other > construction by the ants, and there did not seem to be any significant > number inside the hive. > > Should I be concerned? > > Frank. Article 30076 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C27C7.4A70BB1E@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: When to add supers... References: <3B194B00.1DF496DC@yahoo.com> <9fgc0a0l9s@enews1.newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 12 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:28:55 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.13.202.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991700693 208.13.202.199 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:24:53 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:24:53 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30076 This has to be the best line I've heard in awhile. Thanks Allen for the smiles. Allen Dick wrote: > > Holes on the other hand are easy to transport -- and I can buy a whole > truckload of holes for free. > > allen Article 30077 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "K Adney" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3b1b747c.232581484@news1.radix.net> <50QS6.22976$Uo3.848550@news6.giganews.com> Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 17:37:16 -0700 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: tc1-177.reachone.com Message-ID: <3b1c2890@news.turbotek.net> X-Trace: 4 Jun 2001 17:32:16 -0700, tc1-177.reachone.com Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.news.qwest.net!news.turbotek.net!tc1-177.reachone.com Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30077 The Rock Garden wrote in message <50QS6.22976$Uo3.848550@news6.giganews.com>... >Here in Wash. state only tax assessors, game wardens, land surveyors and >sheriff's deputies (under certain circumstances) may legally enter private >property without either a warrant or the landowners permission . As a resident of rural Wash. state, I'd add that it ain't safe to enter private property without permission, either. Article 30078 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C47AC.BEDA4FE@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> <3B1C25A3.E51D8060@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:45:00 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.31.51 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991701336 208.235.31.51 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:35:36 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:35:36 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30078 I could only conclude that Scott's post was "tongue-in-cheek", or he was simply spouting burb-brained gibberish. Either way it was clearly not worth taking seriously. However, he does seem to harbor a propensity for trespassing and theft - there are trained professionals that can help him with that. AL michael palmer wrote: > > Who's the odd duck Scott. It's only right to ask the landowners permission to > cut a bee tree. This is exactly why people post their land. It's only illegal if > you get caught? You also never feel the bullet that kills you. > > scott moser wrote: > > > Interesting post! Whole wars have been started over bee trees. If I > > remember correctly, Iowa, and Missouri got into a war over a bee tree > > located on the border of the two states. If you are gonna be that > > paranoid, move back to the city where you came from! These are the same > > people that wonder why their neighbors never accept them into the community, > > or think they are "odd ducks". Now, where I come from, if a bee tree is > > found on anothers property, you quietly harvest the honey and the bees, and > > hope the landowner never finds out. It is only against the law when you get > > caught! :) Good luck! Article 30079 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newspeer.monmouth.com!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp1.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1C4830.780F5A08@midwest.net> From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? References: <3b1aeae8.197455524@news1.radix.net> <3B1B1C0B.9129B7CC@midwest.net> <3b1b73f0.232441373@news1.radix.net> <3B1BBA24.2F82EA28@midwest.net> <9fgd490n60@enews1.newsguy.com> <3b1c08bd.24381943@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 41 Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:47:12 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.31.51 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp1.onemain.com 991701450 208.235.31.51 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:37:30 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 20:37:30 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30079 beekeep wrote: > > On Mon, 4 Jun 2001 11:30:56 -0500, "scott moser" > wrote: > > >Interesting post! Whole wars have been started over bee trees. If I > >remember correctly, Iowa, and Missouri got into a war over a bee tree > >located on the border of the two states. At one time, it was common practice > >to "mark" a bee tree, and no one else could touch it except the person who > >marked it, even if it was on anothers property. This was back in the days > >of free roaming livestock and such. When communities of people felt that > >sharing what they had, including land, was a good thing. Back before you > >needed permission or exclusive hunting rights to hunt on someones property! > >Today most people have become very greedy about what they own. You can tell > >too, they are the ones who post their property every 20 feet with eyesore > >signs or purple paint, or threaten to lock you up! If you are gonna be that > >paranoid, move back to the city where you came from! These are the same > >people that wonder why their neighbors never accept them into the community, > >or think they are "odd ducks". Now, where I come from, if a bee tree is > >found on anothers property, you quietly harvest the honey and the bees, and > >hope the landowner never finds out. It is only against the law when you get > >caught! :) Good luck! > > > > > True, most of the bee tree laws are very old, going back 100+ years or > so when sweetners were at a premium. There are many many old laws on > the books that are for the most part overlooked. But they are still > law! > > beekeep > Yeah, like archaic laws governing how you may "interact" with your significant other. Fortunately there are privacy and property laws (see U.S. Constitution) that allow *you* to decide who gets to look into your bedroom or has access to your property. AL Article 30080 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news-was.dfn.de!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!sdn-ar-005cocsprp060.dialsprint.net!user From: NO-StretchL@SPAM-Mindspring.com (Charles "Stretch" Ledford) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Adding a second super? Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:37:07 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3B1C27BC.9528BD5F@northnet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.b2.f4.2c X-Server-Date: 5 Jun 2001 01:37:38 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30080 In article , "George Styer" wrote: > Why make extra work for yourself. Put it on top unless you are making comb > honey (with comb honey you want to minimize travel stains). The full one can > either remain, be removed and stored (watch out for wax moth and > fermentation though unless you put it in a freezer), or be extracted and > returned to the hive (they will refill it really quick). Obviously, the last > option won't work with comb honey. If I don't have the time I go with the > first option (leave it on). It will be preserved under ideal conditions. > > -- > Geo > Sacramento, in California's great Central Valley > "Honey is sweet but the bee stings" > gstyLer@att.net > To respond via email, get the "L" out of there George, are you suggesting that, for cut comb honey, one should put the honey super BELOW the brood boxes, with a queen excluder on top it? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://www.StretchPhotography.com Article 30081 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!24.0.0.38!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!news.home.com!cyclone-sjo1.usenetserver.com!news-out-sjo.usenetserver.com!news3.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net> Subject: Re: ants under the topcover Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 21:10:37 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.116.109 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 991703200 209.226.116.109 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:06:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 21:06:40 EDT Organization: Bell Nexxia Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30081 "michael palmer" wrote in message news:3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net... > Does your inner cover have an escape hole? As long as the bees have access to > the space there will be no ants. There is no hole that allows the bees access to the top of the inner cover, and I'm not sure if they could get through it if there was - the outer cover sits fairly tightly on it (although it apparently leaves enough room for the ants!) You can see a picture by clicking opn "Hives" at this URL, where I have begun documenting what I learn as I learn it: http://www.frank.net/entrances/beekeeping_entrance.htm You cannot even see the inside covers in these pictures, as the outside coverslides down around it. (I've been wondering - is this what is meant by a "Telescoping" cover?) Would you recommend adding a hole just so that the bees can get up there and drive out the ants? (How do bees drive away ants - do they bite them? They seem much to small, and perhaps to numerous, to sting.) Frank. Article 30082 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hiving a swarm... (Need advice) Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 51 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 02:39:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 991708790 209.204.149.203 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:39:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 19:39:50 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30082 Greetings First off, this is gonna be short, fast and sweet, so pardon any "word fumbles", please... Rookie beeman here... Been reading lots, and have a couple of 10 frame hive bodies with frames (Plasticell foundation, I think) and a 5 frame "micro-hive", also with the plasticell frames. Been getting ready to start a hive or two with 'em. No bees as of yet, but that may change tonight... I've just spotted a swarm here on our property in northern california. I strongly suspect it was thrown by a feral hive that's been nesting in a branch of one of our oak trees for the past two years. For obvious reasons, I want to put it in a hive. I'm figuring the small 5-frame would be the best bet in terms of "just get 'em parked before they head out for elsewhere" Only problem: The swarm has set itself up on a twig of another oak tree about 20 yards from where the main colony is, and about 40-50 feet in the air. Any advice, short of a bucket truck? Or am I doomed to watch this swarm vanish into the sunset? As I type this, it's about 7:30 PM local time, and the swarm is quietly squirming around on the twig, with the sun getting ready to go down. I've tried tossing a string to carry a rope up over the branch and shake them down, but the best I've managed with that has been to shake loose a small segment of the swarm, which promptly disintegrated as it fell, and regrouped with the main body up on the branch. Other ideas? I'd rather not lose a swarm that's almost certainly from "wild" stock that's made it for 2+ years without human assistance in an area that was nearly wiped out completely just a few years ago by varroa. Quick responses appreciated... Email address is good, and my mail-server is fast if you think you can get to me quicker that way. Thanks, guys... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 30083 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hiving a swarm... (Need advice) Date: 4 Jun 2001 21:47:48 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.152.6.115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 991716469 30036 127.0.0.1 (5 Jun 2001 04:47:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-support@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2001 04:47:49 GMT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30083 Howdy Don -- Short and sweet. You are probably out of luck. By all means, don't risk your neck. Your best bet is to place your empty BIG hive near the swarm at a height of 6 or 8 feet if possible. Just maybe they will locate and adopt it as a home. It would help if you had old comb to use, but no such luck. Pete ********************************************* Article 30084 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.skycache.com!Cidera!news-reader.ntrnet.net!uunet!sac.uu.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Hiving a swarm... (Need advice) Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 51 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 05:31:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.203 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 991719085 209.204.149.203 (Mon, 04 Jun 2001 22:31:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 22:31:25 PDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30084 In article , hrogers@arkansas.net (Pete) wrote: > Howdy Don -- > > Short and sweet. You are probably out of luck. By all means, > don't risk your neck. Your best bet is to place your empty BIG hive > near the swarm at a height of 6 or 8 feet if possible. Just maybe > they will locate and adopt it as a home. > > It would help if you had old comb to use, but no such luck. Nope... The comb that was on these frames was super skanky - moth-eaten, crusted over by mud-dauber wasps, mouse-crushed, or sun-melted into globs. So I scraped 'em down. Didn't hot-water them to strip it completely, just scraped the worst off, following the idea that I've been reading over and over: "A decent hive will clean up almost anything." Risk my neck? For a blob of bees? You're kidding, right? :) OK, OK, I admit it... I was having *SERIOUS* thoughts about going up the tree with the chainsaw and a line, tying off the branch, cutting it loose, then lowering it. Decided against, though, since I figured that the bees would probably be driven away by the vibration when I started cutting. Meanwhile, it's full dark now, and last I saw, the swarm had formed up into a roughly basketball-sized mass, with only a tiny handful of "loose" bees moving around it against the fading light in the sky. I've put out both the "big" hive, and the little one below the swarm, near the horse-bucket that I saw quite a few bees drinking from just after I first spotted the swarm. Idunno how wise it might or might not be, but I put a few drops of store-bought (claims to be pastuerized, so I figure it's at least going to do no harm in terms of disease) honey on the landing boards, and a bit more inside on the bottom board as bait. And left instructions to the landlord to not go near 'em if they're buzzing in the morning! :) Guess I'll see what, if anything, has happened with them come daylight. Maybe lady luck will smile on me, and when I check in the morning, I'll find that they've moved in and set up housekeeping... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 30085 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!maxwell.emf.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!nntp2.onemain.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <3B1CBAD2.91C620D0@together.net> From: michael palmer Reply-To: mpalmer@together.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: ants under the topcover References: <3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:56:18 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.231.24.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@onemain.com X-Trace: nntp2.onemain.com 991738302 206.231.24.195 (Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:51:42 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:51:42 EDT Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30085 Well there you go Frank. An inner cover should be flat on one side, and have a 3/8 rim on the other. Rim side goes up in the summer. Drill a 1 1/2" hole in the inner cover. If you don't want to add a rim to your inner cover, prop the frone edge of the outer cover on the inner cover. This will allow the bees access to the space. Frank wrote: > "michael palmer" wrote in message > news:3B1C267B.68FAC603@together.net... > > Does your inner cover have an escape hole? As long as the bees have access > to > > the space there will be no ants. > > There is no hole that allows the bees access to the top of the inner cover, > and I'm not sure if they could get through it if there was - the outer cover > sits fairly tightly on it (although it apparently leaves enough room for the > ants!) Article 30086 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!/news!129.22.8.64.MISMATCH!usenet.INS.cwru.edu!plonk.apk.net!news.apk.net!jfk3-feed1.news.digex.net!intermedia!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bee stings, and body reaction. Date: 5 Jun 2001 08:24:48 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3b1ccf90$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <3B0D65F9.38237617@home.com> <3B0FB09E.3452DE77@bellsouth.net> <3B1C1F2D.3A4B8E8E@mail.tqci.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.33 X-Original-Trace: 5 Jun 2001 08:24:48 -0400, 141.219.66.33 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 23 Xref: news2.isis.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:30086 Christopher Drazba wrote: > This is a question best answered by an allergist. > That said, a friend of mine's doctor told him he has > only a few minutes to stick himself with an epinephrine > pen before his airway closes down (he is severely allergic). > So, if you really are developing an allergic reaction, > you could be dead in a few minutes. You know, this brings up something I've been wondering about. Say you are one of the people who has an anaphylactic reaction to beestings, and say you forgot your epi-pen, and got stung. No epinephrine, and you feel your throat closing up . . . Epinephrine (also known as adrenalin) is what is secreted by your adrenal glands when you are scared or angry. Is it worthwhile to whip yourself into a panic/fury to get your adrenals pumping out epinephrine? How does this compare with the dose from an epi-pen? -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 30087 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: news2.isis.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews1 From: "scott moser" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Whose swarm is it? Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 07:38:39 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <9fijsq0t78@enews1.newsguy.com> References: