Article 32273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do you make a queen excluder? Message-ID: References: <41pefug7jhtq3trj86r6p06njtldrcv69o@4ax.com> <4169b71c.0205311410.34141964@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 00:10:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1022890211 4.33.104.98 (Fri, 31 May 2002 17:10:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:10:11 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!329a47a8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32273 albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) wrote: >The idea of pheromones to stop a queen going up into the supers is new >to me > what is the logic behind it, i cant see any..... I'm not sure if anyone really knows WHY a queen tends to lay eggs in a contiguous, somewhat spherical-shaped brood nest and resists crossing a barrier to lay in a separate area, but the fact is that she does. Perhaps it is because the absence of her pheromones in the lower (original) brood area would stimulate the workers to raise queen cells. It certainly is advantageous when cold weather comes and they must cluster on the brood. This tendency allows beekeepers to make an effective queen excluder by putting a thin piece of plastic or wood between the brood box and super, leaving an inch or so on all sides for the worker bees to pass. It's not 100% perfect, and the bees propolize it to the top bars, but works well. No excluder is perfect. The "plain plywood" excluder towards the bottom of this page uses a similar concept: http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/excludertypes.html For historical reference, take a look at the several collateral hives on this page. There is also a box hive and a skep showing supers: http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/history1.htm John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 32274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I get the bees out of the swarm box? JJ - What is compass orientation? Date: 31 May 2002 18:50:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 85 Message-ID: <1cfa704.0205311750.65837b8a@posting.google.com> References: <1kNI8.31734$6v2.1360793@twister.southeast.rr.com> <2j4bfu8ljiknoi7ks5938dvpundsd1jcn9@4ax.com> <3CF665AB.E44EFB16@dcnet2000null.com.> <3brdfucotljjqiivpuup362amnvnqthdet@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.10.124.141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022896222 15675 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2002 01:50:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2002 01:50:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32274 The workers tend to build the cells of the comb with a slight up angle (when viewed from the edge of the frame). If you turn the swarm box upside down, the cells will be sloping down hill. Any brood in the comb will hatch, but the queen will be reluctant to lay in the comb that is "upside down" (I imagine laying the swarm box in its side would work too). If you give her drawn combs that are right side up, she will move on to them. Chris Wally wrote in message news:<3brdfucotljjqiivpuup362amnvnqthdet@4ax.com>... > I haven't heard the term compass orientation before. What is it? > > On Thu, 30 May 2002 12:47:23 -0500, Jeremy Goodwin > wrote: > > >Have you tried compass orientation of your hives? > >JJ > > > >Wally wrote: > >> > >> Dave, thank you for the response. When you say to use comb that is > >> normal orientation, do you mean drawn comb in frames spaced out in the > >> super? The swarm box is about 7 feet up in the air on top of the > >> arbor and sitting cockeyed as all get out on the vines that lifted it > >> as they grew. I can cut it loose and lower it down and use spare > >> frames with drawn comb. Is that what you mean? The weather here in > >> western Washington state has turned to rain again, so I've got an > >> excuse to put this off for a bit. > >> Do you think if I put a super in front of the swarm box access and > >> "forced" the bees to travel through the super that they would > >> eventually migrate into it? > >> > >> On Tue, 28 May 2002 15:25:49 GMT, "Dave Green" > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"Wally" wrote > >> > > >> >> At least 5 years ago I bought a swarm box from Brushy Mountain. I set > >> >> it on top of an arbor that had some small kiwi plants. Nothing the > >> >> first or second year, so I forgot about it. > >> >> > >> >> I was pruning the kiwi's (they have grown immensely) this year and my > >> >> wife commented on all the bees buzzing around the plants. Sure > >> >> enough, the swarm trap is now covered with vines and quite overgrown > >> >> and looks to be full of honeybees. > >> >> > >> >> How do I get them out of a swarm box and into a hive body without > >> >> losing the queen and most of the workers. The hive body can be > >> >> located no more than 50 feet away because of the property size limits. > >> > > >> > You can use an old beekeeper trick to urge them into the box, without a > >> >lot of work on your part of disruption of the hive. Some will tell you to > >> >cut out the comb and tie it into frames. That's too much work for me, and it > >> >demoralizes the bees. I haven't done this with swarm boxes, but have done it > >> >several times with bees that moved into standard boxes without frames, and > >> >from sections of log. > >> > > >> > The secret is this: the queen is reluctant to lay in comb that is not in > >> >normal orientation. Given time, the bees will rip out the comb and rebuild > >> >it to align with the new position, but if there is a box already connected > >> >with it (preferably above it), that has properly oriented comb, the queen > >> >will usually move to it. > >> > > >> > You'll probably have to dig out your box from the kiwifruit vine, set it > >> >alongside for a couple days to allow the bees to reorient. Then turn it > >> >upside down, and figure out a way to hold a deep box of comb directly above > >> >it. Use comb, not foundation, even if you have to buy some from a fellow > >> >beekeeper. Close up the open space as best you can. You can do wonders with > >> >plywood scraps, old shingles or roofing felt and duct tape. > >> > > >> > Once the queen is on the frames of comb (you'll see eggs), separate > >> >them. You can put an excluder on the box with frames, then set the upside > >> >down swarm box on it like a super. That way all your brood will hatch out > >> >normally, and you'll be able then to remove the comb and put on normal > >> >supers. Once the brood is emerged you might just want to put the supers on, > >> >then put the swarm box on top. With this honey way above the brood, they > >> >will tend to move it down closer. You can stimulate this tendency by raking > >> >as much of the capped honey as you can with a capping scratcher. > >> > > >> > Moving to a new site is another issue. Once they are well established, > >> >you can move it three feet every couple days, or move it a couple miles away > >> >for a couple weeks, then move it back to the new spot. Article 32275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pheromones Date: 31 May 2002 23:06:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: <75213ab.0205312206.5b6730e8@posting.google.com> References: <3CECED9A.30625D9B@ntlworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022911562 26624 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2002 06:06:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2002 06:06:02 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32275 I disagree. Hormones are regulatory compounds that affect only the organism which produces it (e.g. testosterone in humans). In contrast, phermones are compounds that are produced in one organism but have effects on other organisms of the same or different species (i.e. mating pheromones). In the case of SMR bees, just because there is reduction or absence of mites in brood larva does not mean a "pheromone" was involved. It could be as simple as the living conditions in SMR hives for mites changed so drastically that it is no longer suitable for them to live there either by, reproduction requirements of the mites, food requirements, or even a behavior/phenotypic modification of the host (i.e. certain genes are being bred into the honeybees that make them more hygenic and thus keep the hive clean and free of mites OR the bees blood is unsuitable to be a food source anymore). This can be seen in other traits like some bees are more prone to excess burr comb and propolis; some bees swarm more than others; some strains of bees are black, yellow, etc.. These are all viable possibilies considering how tightly regulated the relationship between the the honeybee and mite are. Eric in K-town adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) wrote in message news:... > In article , Tim Arheit wrote: > > > >I've been told by an SMR breader (Ohio Queen breeders) that one > >suspected method of mite control that occurs in the SMR bees is smell > >and or pheromones preventing the mites from choosing/finding the > >host larva or laying their eggs at the correct time. The process by > >which SMR bees control mites isn't understood and this is just one > >possible cause. > > I wonder. I'd think that what makes SMR SMR is more of a hormonal > and not pheromonal disruption by the larva to the mites in the > cell. With Insects though, pheromones and hormones are very analogous. > > More complex animals (like us Mammals) have internal "pheromones": hormones. > Adam Article 32276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: 31 May 2002 23:21:32 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: <75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com> References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022912492 27259 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2002 06:21:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2002 06:21:32 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32276 I was reading a book today (written in the UK) that stated that ragwort is a very early bloomer and if supered AFTER it blooms, then the honey produced from it will only be fed to the bees for spring brood build-up. It also said that the honey was not suitable for human consumption, but did not say anything about its effects of bees. Just a suggestion, and it might not be applicable in your situation, but I thought I would drop a line to let you know what I read. Eric in K-town Paul Waites wrote in message news:<3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk>... > Hi all, > > I didn't realise when I first posted how complex the issue is. Now I think about it > logically of course it is. Honey in itself is such a complex substance and very > variable in composition. > > From my own point of view this is the first time that my bees have been taken from an > urban environment and placed in a fallow field that has quite a lot of ragwort. Up > till now I've just extracted all the honey in one go and made a mix. > > I think that I'll keep and eye for any dark honey and keep it separately. I won't > overreact too much but just be careful and I'll look into this subject more. > > Is it the kind of plant that bees will actively forage for? i.e.: I know that if they > find a field of rape then they seem to take the nectar from that at the exclusion of > all other plants in the vicinity. > > Paul. Article 32277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 33 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Jun 2002 12:49:17 GMT References: <75213ab.0205312206.5b6730e8@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: SMR Queens Message-ID: <20020601084917.04701.00001659@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32277 Hi, We picked up a bunch of SMR (Harbo) Queens This spring. Last summer we tried 4 in a couple of differant yards they did extremly well . Building up quickly and even putting out a surplus of honey from midsummer. So we bit the bullet and ordered 130 from Ca..We made splits and put them in during an 80 degree week the middle of april it then went cold and gave us 5 or so weeks of 40 some degree nights and 60-70 degree days here in southern wisconsin. They hung in there and even thrived. We did have about 10 % dud queens who did not lay or so few that they wouldn't work or were not accepted. or disappered? The breeder was very nice and replaced them while the replacements were not SMR's, they were a hygenic line. The SMRS so far this year have been building up quickly and seem to be very sweet tempered these look a lot like new world carneolians in color (dark or black) but the canies can be a little grumpy if you not careful (compared to Italians). The current problem is getting enough of the SMR's produced. The current years queens are the product of "line breeding" not a concept that I am familar with but appearently involves crossing cusin lines and produces some weak individuals. So these are not a good choise for smaller scale beekeepers YET. But they really are looking good maybe next year or a few years down the road. We are also experimenting with drone brood coome and bottom screen boards to reduce mite populations. Both add to the weekly chores. but better than dumping chemicals on the girls. Is anyone aware that apparently there is new regulations comming into affect in september for the organic food that has a standard for organic honey? I have 16 hives on some land that the owners are rasing organic produce and chickens ( durn tasty chickens) was telling me that a bunch of new regulations comming into effect with a standard for organic honey. Chweers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 32278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:16:54 +0100 Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> <75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-930.blastoise.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1022951868 7179 217.135.45.162 (1 Jun 2002 17:17:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2002 17:17:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32278 Ragwort blooms late - usually from mid-July through into August. Peter Edwards "Eric Vincill" wrote in message news:75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com... > I was reading a book today (written in the UK) that stated that > ragwort is a very early bloomer and if supered AFTER it blooms, then > the honey produced from it will only be fed to the bees for spring > brood build-up. It also said that the honey was not suitable for > human consumption, but did not say anything about its effects of bees. > Just a suggestion, and it might not be applicable in your situation, > but I thought I would drop a line to let you know what I read. > > > > Eric in K-town > > Paul Waites wrote in message news:<3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk>... > > Hi all, > > > > I didn't realise when I first posted how complex the issue is. Now I think about it > > logically of course it is. Honey in itself is such a complex substance and very > > variable in composition. > > > > From my own point of view this is the first time that my bees have been taken from an > > urban environment and placed in a fallow field that has quite a lot of ragwort. Up > > till now I've just extracted all the honey in one go and made a mix. > > > > I think that I'll keep and eye for any dark honey and keep it separately. I won't > > overreact too much but just be careful and I'll look into this subject more. > > > > Is it the kind of plant that bees will actively forage for? i.e.: I know that if they > > find a field of rape then they seem to take the nectar from that at the exclusion of > > all other plants in the vicinity. > > > > Paul. Article 32279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How can you deal with ticks? Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:09:27 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-179.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32279 I have started two hives (they have been going since late April) and the location of the hives is in an area where there are a lot of ticks. When I go out to check on the bees (even if only for a few minutes) I come back with 30-50 ticks on me. Since I'm wearing full coverage clothes they usually don't make it inside to my skin, but I still have to clean them off my clothes. Since I REALLY hate ticks I need to find a way to deal with them and at the same time not harm/effect the bees. A veterinarian told me I could broadcast "slacked lime sulfur" on the ground around the hives. He said that it would drive away the ticks but wouldn't harm the bees. Has anyone heard of this? Does it work? Article 32280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SMR Queens Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3368-3CF920CD-344@storefull-2295.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <20020601084917.04701.00001659@mb-co.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQQXZMsI5c0HClw3ZcG4elT/5JmjAIVAKrKI0AMO+WBmaaz3QWmzYFP1jbf Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32280 Were these AI queens or open mated queens. I do not understand why hobby keepers should not try SMR queens, it would seem they are the ones to try because they could stand a poor year a lot better than someone who is depending one the bees for making a living. How are your SMRs compared to non SMRs doing. Article 32281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What Kind of Drone?????? Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2599.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1022961777 5377 128.173.37.153 (1 Jun 2002 20:02:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:02:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32281 First let me be sure of one fact. Is it not so that a Queen purchased by mail that comes in the little cage with a half dozen workers and a candy plug has already had her flight with the drones and does not normally leave the hive if successfully introduced to the hive????? If that is correct and one orders a specific kind of queen from a bee company that handles italians, caucasians, starlines, midnights, etc., how in blazes does the supplier assure that the Queen has mated with a drone of the same variety???? And if that is controlled then what is a "Double Midnight-Starline Hybrid" Is that like a Starline Queen mated with Midnight drones or vice versa. And does the queen really need more than one good drone? I would suppose that a bee company that handles only italians just lets the queens fly and take pot luck??? Is that so? If so and the bee company is in the deep American South where Africanized colonies now exist how do you know you are not getting a queen mated with an Africanized drone??? Too many questions, I know...sorry. Article 32282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Quick Lines: 9 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:39:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.183.207 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1022963988 67.227.183.207 (Sat, 01 Jun 2002 13:39:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 13:39:48 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32282 Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it just clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he deeps... Brian Article 32283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What Kind of Drone?????? Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 16:37:29 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-179.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32283 I'm a novice (really green) but my understanding is the queens are artificially inseminated. I don't think the suppliers would leave those things to chance. "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:adb99g$581$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > First let me be sure of one fact. Is it not so that a Queen purchased by mail > that comes in the little cage with a half dozen workers and a candy plug has > already had her flight with the drones and does not normally leave the hive if > successfully introduced to the hive????? > If that is correct and one orders a specific kind of queen from a bee company > that handles italians, caucasians, starlines, midnights, etc., how in blazes > does the supplier assure that the Queen has mated with a drone of the same > variety???? And if that is controlled then what is a "Double Midnight-Starline > Hybrid" Is that like a Starline Queen mated with Midnight drones or vice versa. > And does the queen really need more than one good drone? I would suppose that > a bee company that handles only italians just lets the queens fly and take pot > luck??? Is that so? If so and the bee company is in the deep American South > where Africanized colonies now exist how do you know you are not getting a > queen mated with an Africanized drone??? > Too many questions, I know...sorry. > > Article 32284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weeds round the hives Date: 1 Jun 2002 15:09:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206011409.35537e26@posting.google.com> References: <700de225.0205301308.35d37f94@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.139.33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022969376 2666 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2002 22:09:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2002 22:09:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32284 robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) wrote in message news:<700de225.0205301308.35d37f94@posting.google.com>... > Has anyone solved the problem of the build up of weeds around hives - > I've always been very wary of using a weed killer close to hives and > using the strimmer is always a bit hazardous without a veil, etc. > > Rob > Edinburgh, Scotland do your strimming at dusk when the bees are all safely in. But I would recommend that you make yourself a stand about 18" high and stand your hive on that.All my hives are on such stands, they consist of two lengths of 3 x 2 X 6feet tied together with batons (any size will do as long as they are all uniform) then they stand on two 9" blocks at either end. This give you plenty of room for any other temporary hives you need to find room for and also when you are manipulating hives there is room for equipment. take care and stay lucky Article 32285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2002 00:05:31 GMT References: <4169b71c.0206011409.35537e26@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Weeds round the hives Message-ID: <20020601200531.18817.00001794@mb-cc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32285 By the time the weeds are a pain you really need to offset the supers to provide an upper entrance and ventillation reducing traffic/congestion in the brood nest. Article 32286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pavel314" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Ignoring Flowers Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-GC-Trace: gv1-tizG/KAEy5VuDIzq3TFkDUy6pXuAQ7X7OWt Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:29:58 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-BPru9AG5cek3ljyT/n+7evS8Nsrtx5mSZDFluLozN0qoLiX5vR8FpKaQlab5lbW+qWO+noN5OAw3UyB!fEH5yt7cVVv6mfSFXLGz/ZiiOrnevJ6GnhEDdFgIkafGdUeqqkS7TEoZ4aPcA/C7voqMt75lWDOk!4lRIKGrJlTHMP1M= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 01:29:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32286 I have two bee hives within twenty feet of my potato patch. I noticed that two rows just blossomed this morning. I was working out in the yard all day and didn't see any bees on the potato flowers; I would have thought they'd be swarming over this convenient flower patch. I've also never seen them on the big rose bush in front of the house or the clover in the orchard. They are coming in and out all day, many with full pollen sacs. Why are they ignoring my local flowers? I was thinking of catching a few in a jar and putting them on the potato flowers and roses, in hopes that they'd go back to the hive and tell their friends. pli Article 32287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Muddawg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What Kind of Drone?????? Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 01:10:28 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!teaser.fr!nerim.net!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32287 You can be sure that unless a queen is sold as "artificially inseminated", it is a production queen. The cheapest I have seen artificially inseminated queens is $50 each. Production Queens are "Open-Mated", meaning they mate on the wing with a few to several drones. Mating is controlled as to strain and race by flooding the mating yard with very large numbers of desired drones from drone rearing colonies. This doesn't guarantee that every drone mating with a given queen is the desired strain or race, but greatly limits the possibility of a "wayward" drone. Africanized bees could eventually become a problem for southern package and queen producers since feral colonies generally produce copious supplies of drones, and africanized colonies are extremely prolific swarmers. Hope this has helped. Best Wishes, -- Muddawg Article 32288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jose Matas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: My bees left me! Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:54:24 +0200 Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.133 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.133 Message-ID: <3cf9eb53$1@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1023011667 212.166.159.133 (2 Jun 2002 11:54:27 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32288 It happend to me with set a hives, we painted them and not waited for a prudential dry out. All six left. Further, yesterday I placed a new queen in previously used (few hours) nucleus and they did not want to stay... it seems it was marked with pheremons, they just got out and set just under de hive suport. This morning they accepted the old house without a problem, I wait form them to "mark" it, a few bees should show their behing up "marking" the new site. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain. Jose Matas. "Ken Bullock" escribió en el mensaje news:WmoJ8.1227$f52.140998@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > I have never heard of that happening before, if the queen was laying she > should not have been able to fly well and would not likely leave. > > I can't imagine what would cause them to leave. I wonder if they left any > brood and honey stock behind. > > I have had hives that the queen died and there was no brood and the bees > still stuck around for the honey stocked up. Go figure.... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > "Eric Peterson" wrote in message > news:ericgrog-2905022159190001@192.168.0.21... > > I'm a first-time beekeeper and got a new batch of bees (4 lb + queen). I > > followed all the directions and got them into the hive (Pierco black > > plastic frames). A week later they were all seemingly doing well, (though > > I did have to move the hive onto a small table to take care of ants.) > > Weather was beautiful, and the flowers are all blooming (though I also had > > 50% sugar water for them.) > > > > After about 10 days, I wanted to go in and check out the queen. Lo and > > behold, all my bees were gone! Called up the folks that sent my bees to > > me and they said that though it was rare for bees "not to like a hive", it > > wasn't unheard of. > > > > Any other ideas, and or suggestions as to what I can do next year to keep > > this from occuring again?! > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Eric > > > > -- > > Eric Peterson > > Camarillo, CA > > ericgrog@yahoo.com Article 32289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: clash of cultures Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 07:47:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1023018755.178333@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32289 see "CALIFORNIA CULTURES: Almonds succeed where honey fails / Chinese imports rile state's beekeepers" at: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/05/28/MN28496.DTL Article 32290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What Kind of Drone?????? Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:56:19 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-027.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!cyclone.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32290 Helps me a lot anyway. I didn't think queens would be mated that way since it is so "chancey" in getting results. I certainly haven't paid $50 for my queens so they must be the "Open-Mated" variety. "Muddawg" wrote in message news:ufjd9n8me7cbd@corp.supernews.com... > You can be sure that unless a queen is sold as "artificially inseminated", > it is a production queen. The cheapest I have seen artificially inseminated > queens is $50 each. > > Production Queens are "Open-Mated", meaning they mate on the wing with a few > to several drones. Mating is controlled as to strain and race by flooding > the mating yard with very large numbers of desired drones from drone rearing > colonies. This doesn't guarantee that every drone mating with a given queen > is the desired strain or race, but greatly limits the possibility of a > "wayward" drone. Africanized bees could eventually become a problem for > southern package and queen producers since feral colonies generally produce > copious supplies of drones, and africanized colonies are extremely prolific > swarmers. Hope this has helped. > > Best Wishes, > -- > Muddawg > > Article 32291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-Quick Date: 2 Jun 2002 09:29:43 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-567.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!199.106.71.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32291 Brian: You may want to check out http://www.bee-quick.com for some hints on how to insure that you clear only one super at a time. The main point is to use it sparingly, as we stress here http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/much.html and here http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/use.html Article 32292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ILLEGAL ENTRY Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee's Arrested at Border Message-ID: <020620021259320272%illegal@entry.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 6 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:00:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1023044413 161.184.141.129 (Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:00:13 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:00:13 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32292 Just watched a Canadian newscast where they mentioned that a shipment of about 230 bees was stopped at a small border crossing and the Canadian Bee keeper ( farmer ) charged under various Canadian laws. Turns out this is the second time in recent weeks that a shipment of Bees has been confiscated in Western Canada. Article 32293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Ignoring Flowers Date: 2 Jun 2002 12:22:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206021122.7cb3ca6e@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.151.230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023045733 23966 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2002 19:22:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2002 19:22:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32293 "Pavel314" wrote in message news:... > I have two bee hives within twenty feet of my potato patch. I noticed that > two rows just blossomed this morning. I was working out in the yard all day > and didn't see any bees on the potato flowers; I would have thought they'd > be swarming over this convenient flower patch. > > I've also never seen them on the big rose bush in front of the house or the > clover in the orchard. They are coming in and out all day, many with full > pollen sacs. > Why are they ignoring my local flowers? I was thinking of catching a few in > a jar and putting them on the potato flowers and roses, in hopes that they'd > go back to the hive and tell their friends. > > pli Bees will always go to the flowers that give the most nectar, perhaps your local flowers dont oblige? Clover needs about 70 degrees to give a nectar flow sufficient for the bees to work it, hows the temperature where you are? is it white or red clover? I have never heard of bees working potatoes. take care and stay lucky Article 32294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <020620021259320272%illegal@entry.com> Subject: Re: Bee's Arrested at Border Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <9HuK8.2901$f52.317298@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:51:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.251.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1023047493 198.164.251.11 (Sun, 02 Jun 2002 16:51:33 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 16:51:33 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32294 We (Canadians that is) are not even allowed to transport bees to certian other provinces. Crossing the US border with bees is a serious offence aswell..... Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "ILLEGAL ENTRY" wrote in message news:020620021259320272%illegal@entry.com... > Just watched a Canadian newscast where they mentioned that a > shipment of about 230 bees was stopped at a small border > crossing and the Canadian Bee keeper ( farmer ) charged > under various Canadian laws. Turns out this is the second > time in recent weeks that a shipment of Bees has been > confiscated in Western Canada. Article 32295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: The Continuing Adventures of a Rookie and his Bees X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CFA7742.1838F06E@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:51:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-la!propagator-la!news-in.superfeed.net!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!sea-feed.news.verio.net!xyzzy!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:446 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32295 Don, You didn't mention brood. You should be on the lookout for eggs and larva in the cells, and at the entrance, bees carrying in pollen to feed brood. This is the ultimate sign that your hive is on track. If your swarm was a primary one, you should see eggs in the cells within a week of hiving them. An after-swarm with a virgin queen can take over two weeks. If you find healthy eggs and larva, it isn't necessary to find the queen to know she's there. Regards, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 32296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 23 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2002 20:13:08 GMT References: <3368-3CF920CD-344@storefull-2295.public.lawson.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: SMR Queens Message-ID: <20020602161308.20042.00001685@mb-mc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32296 Hi, lets see if I can get this answered. The cost of 130 queens with shipping was over $1300 or around a ten spot each Cheap AI queens cost at least $50 each or $6,500. Expensive ones average $200 each or would have been $26,000 and AI's have a high incidense (from my reading ) of damage while being inseminated (like 30-50%.) So like most things if the question is why did they do that, money is likely to be the answer! Someone with two or three hives is less likely to experiment with there entire production (at least it would seem to me). That I'm enough of a nut to try the new scientific approaches should be apparent. Please don't think if you wish you shouldn't take these chances. just its still a risky business. It is still much to early to say one way or the other. Honey production is only one factor for us. Others being surviving Wisconsin winters . Mite resistance and diseace resistance. With there natural hygenic behavor of the cariolians and there natural handling of AFB and EFB. Adding mite resistance is a big plus. Now if they can learn to handle mites and small hive bettels maybe we can get rid of all the damn drugs and chemicals. Cheers, Dave In Madison,WI USA Article 32297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Continuing Adventures of a Rookie and his Bees Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <3CFA7742.1838F06E@boeing.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 90 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:27:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023053221 209.204.149.215 (Sun, 02 Jun 2002 14:27:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 14:27:01 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:447 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32297 In article <3CFA7742.1838F06E@boeing.com>, Billy Smart wrote: > Don, > > You didn't mention brood. You should be on the lookout for eggs and > larva in the cells, and at the entrance, bees carrying in pollen to feed > brood. This is the ultimate sign that your hive is on track. If your > swarm was a primary one, you should see eggs in the cells within a week > of hiving them. An after-swarm with a virgin queen can take over two > weeks. > > If you find healthy eggs and larva, it isn't necessary to find the queen > to know she's there. At the time I wrote that message, I saw no sign of eggs or larvae, just bees and bees and bees, and a few more bees :) Some (not all, but at least a few) of the foragers that are going out are returning with loads of pollen in their baskets, but that's been the case since the morning after I got the swarm into the hive. It's been a full week now, so I imagine it's time for me to lift the lid again, and see if I can spot some "propogation" going on. I'll be holding out for another couple of days, though. Monday is payday, and I plan on heading over to the next town, where there's a Dadant shop, and getting basic gear. I also want to get some different foundation - What I've got in the frames right now is a mixture of some sort of evil white plastic (not full plastic cell comb, but definitely a heavy plastic base) and old duragilt that's heat-warped out of shape. The hive, as mentioned, came from a retired fellow, and it was a "Hey, what's the story on that batch of hives witting there on the edge of the field? They look pretty abandoned, other than the one there on the end with bees around it. Would you mind if I take some home with this load of hay I'm getting from you?" situation. They'd been sitting there on the edge of his alfalfa field since a month or two after the near-fatal reaction he had (3-4 years before), slowly trying to weather away. I took apart several of the obviously uninhabited ones, sorted out the best woodenware I could find and fit into the cab of the truck with me, and ended up with a single good bottom (base plus deep body nailed together) another good deep body, 20-odd frames that were decent, other than the comb basically being heat-slumped down into a nasty looking wad of slag at the bottom of each side, and a cover. Figured that was plenty to get my feet wet. Brought everything home, scraped and hot-watered the melted wax away, took a blowtorch to the inside of the bodies and base to kill any potential "leftover yuck" that might have arrived during the years that they'd been sitting idle, and basically did the best job I could of getting the stuff usable again. That was just over a year ago. I've been trying to catch up with a swarm ever since, but the feral colony in the oak tree out back just hasn't been cooperating... It's been throwing good-sized swarms on a fairly regular basis for the last 3 years that I know about, and perhaps longer before I actually noticed it was there. But until last week, not a one of them that I've spotted has been anywhere even *SORT OF* approaching "reachable". There've been swarms I've watched come out of that tree that have settled 3-4 branches over from where the main colony is (About 30 feet off the ground in an ancient live-oak tree - Trust those for climbing around in *ALMOST* as far as you can spit, if you value your life) They've slid over a couple of trees and parked there for a time, 30-40 feet in the air, they've boiled out of the colony and vanished over the ridge, never to be heard from again, they've settled on the end of the TV antenna's boom (about 8 feet away from the tower, which is 30 or so feet high) Basically, they've settled all over the place, but none of those places has been accessible until last weekend when they picked a manzanita bush near my horse's pen. Anyway, once get over to Dadant and I've got at least a decent veil, I'll feel a *LOT* better about lifting the lid and pulling frames. So far, either the bees have been exceptionally docile, I've been exceptionally lucky, or (swelled head alert!!!) I'm a natural as a beekeeper. :) I don't know which, it is, or if it's a combination, but so far, I've had no offers to sting me. They've been very tolerant of my fumblings, including the incident yseterday where I managed to lose my grip on the feeder bottle and drop it on the top of the hive. They made some seriously grumpy noise for a half minute or so, and several came to check me out, but apparently decided I wasn't a threat. (thankfully... Being the fool I am, and figuring "I'm just filling the syrup bottle - I don't need to "get dressed" for an operation THAT simple", I was wearing nothing but jeans, a T-shirt and a black baseball cap) After they buzzed around me for a minute or so, it was "back to business" for them. Meanwhile, I was wondering how I'd managed to get away with it! :) All's well that ends well, I guess. :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weeds round the hives Date: 2 Jun 2002 15:11:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <700de225.0206021411.1bb3fbbe@posting.google.com> References: <4169b71c.0206011409.35537e26@posting.google.com> <20020601200531.18817.00001794@mb-cc.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.9.79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023055898 31571 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2002 22:11:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2002 22:11:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32298 beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote in message news:<20020601200531.18817.00001794@mb-cc.aol.com>... > By the time the weeds are a pain you really need to offset the supers to > provide an upper entrance and ventillation reducing traffic/congestion in the > brood nest. Well obviously nobody is supportive of using a weed killer, that's sure. The sitation isn't made any easier by having smallish garde and the hives are placed against the fence into a totally unused and unmaintained field. I weed kill the rest of the boundary but in front of the hives its a mess and unfortunately there's a climbing weed that takes over the fence as well. Raising the hives won't really work nor slabs in this circumstance - so it'll just have to be the strimmer. I've never heard of off-setting the supers - is this something which is viable in Scotland with our unpredicatable weather ? Rob Article 32299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fcooke@lineone.net (Freddie Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK beekeeper - 19queen cells over 5 frames? Date: 2 Jun 2002 15:37:12 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1b093a58.0206021437.487d383f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.160.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023057432 32716 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2002 22:37:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2002 22:37:12 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32299 I found nineteen queen cells in various stages of construction over five brood frames today. Two of them have opened recently, (they still have flaps attached}, and another three are still sealed. Does this mean that they have been formed after the emergence of previous queens? Am I right in supposing that this indicates a propensity to swarm. Am I also right to be surprised at the number of cells formed in just sixteen days since last checking the brood chamber? Article 32300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2002 22:38:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Foundation and extra entrances Message-ID: <20020602183806.28230.00001459@mb-mh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32300 #1. What is the best foundation to use if you plan on using an extractor? #2. Someone mentioned an extra entrance at the top of the second story brood box for winter ventilation, to control heat and humidity, where does it go and how big, also would this make a good secondary entrance when there is a flow on? Julie W. Article 32301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lawn care - was Bumblebees and tomato pollination Lines: 93 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0JAK8.99852$Kp.10294567@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:43:08 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-6qb0gEJO0jaaHQI/WoewdKuzuKGxpF+kvMCsnck/ZVDBxI04S6ChbZqP8KeCno6/8SHFFWUSLlupDuh!X6HKEkcYYZNWibZcZnDHsVj2S0jNbgmXOyKSq9Flh23b6oS1HC3l3t0/Xh1OVqa0+/sg3Qf5p2e8!8/n6JIGAoUWU X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 02:43:08 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32301 "Dave Green" > Tomatoes are pollinated by motion, which can be supplied by wind or > humans using vibrators. But a sonicating bee is the best tomato pollinator > of all. In its native range in South America the wild progenitor of the > tomato was buzz pollinated, but the species of bee was not carried around > the world along with the tomato plants. It's sonication frequency was > perfect for maximum pollen release. > > Bumblebees, however do a creditable job of buzz pollinating. They hang > from the flower (which bends into a perfect position for pollen release) and > vibrate their wing muscles without flying. This is called sonication. > Honeybees have been known to sonicate on rare occasions, but they don't > commonly do it at all. > > Tomato stamens do not have the pollen at the surface of the anthers like > most flowers. The pollen is inside, and it requires motion to release it > thru pores in the anther. > Tomato pollination graphics: http://www.pollinator.com/tomato.htm Thanks Dave. It's nice to learn all folk lore isn't gospel, especially when you can back it up with facts. Since you're back on line for a while perhaps we can finish up a thread that was started over on misc.rural a while back, but never tied up. I forget all the details, but someone asked about spraying pesticides and you made your usual excellent reply in regards to protecting the bees. I posted a query, meant for you to run with, about how best to control dandelions and clover in lawns without harming the bees, but evidently about that time you decided to go fishing as you never posted a reply. How 'bout it? What advice do you (or anyone else) have for the average home owner who isn't willing to live with the dandelions and/or clover in the lawn and isn't about to dig them out by hand, but is willing to be educated as to how he/she can get rid of it without killing off the bees? Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 32302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MY FREE BEES Lines: 21 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 06:12:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023084772 67.227.197.199 (Sun, 02 Jun 2002 23:12:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 23:12:52 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!novia!novia!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32302 Well the free bee swarm that moved into the hive that I was not ready to use 2 weeks ago I took 2 of the westerns ( 6 5/8 supers) off and shook almost all the bees out and then set the 2 nearly empty westerns near the front entrance so the straglers could go find the rest of the brood.. Well finaly one of them is empty and I moved it far far far away from the rest of the bees, other than an ocastional bee buzzing aroung it no one seems interested except the ants... ( im not sure twhat to do about them) the other western still had 4 frames packed with bees now so I decided to try a experiment ( well to me its an experiment) I put this western on top of the empty hive and puffed a few bellows of smoke over them, I left the top cover off for the rest of the day and went back after dark and covered them up, I took the sgeestion of using match sticks to help them gets some ventalation, I also stuck a entrance feeded at the front door... hopefully they will find their way to it and empty it quickly, the other hive is going through surip like its gold, about 1 quart a day, if its raining out ive seen it empty 2 in a day... Brian Article 32303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeders Lines: 14 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 06:15:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023084950 67.227.197.199 (Sun, 02 Jun 2002 23:15:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 23:15:50 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32303 I was wondering what people here thought about feeders, How do you make your suyup? I was told 1:1 sugar water but it seems to runny for me... I am using some that was given to me and its almost all gone.... I have 2 entrance feeders, on the new hive I stuck it in the entrance, on the swared hive I put it up on top cause there is a ton of traffic in and out so I felt they may need the most space... once hive #2 getts larger I will move theirs to the top.... Brian Article 32304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SMR Queens Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 04:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <14657-3CFB2D63-593@storefull-2294.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <20020602161308.20042.00001685@mb-mc.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAyD6+xWr5klAFXzKbBu3AAzTXgakCFFS2Zu+H0yZ93ajJ3UlO6Aq5912d Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.dra.com!news.mainstreet.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32304 Looks like to me you are risking some where around $13000 or what the hives should make if given proven type queens. This would be compared to $20 a hobby keeper would risk if they had four hives and put two SMR in two of them. I think it is great that you are trying so many it will sure make up your mind one way or another. $13000 is a goodly sum to most of us bee keepers. The things I would like to know is will lay real good patterns, will they accept a cell good, and will they fight AFB good, I can handle the other problems. Keep us informed on how they are doing, It is beekeepers like you that I like to here from. If you can make it work I might try it. Article 32305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drezac@greenapple.com (Duane Rezac) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advice on Re-Queening Date: 3 Jun 2002 04:18:25 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7ec141c5.0206030318.372fbb2c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023103105 1019 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2002 11:18:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2002 11:18:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32305 Here's my problem - I was attempting to start a split for my son from my hive and during the process it looks like I must have rolled my queen. Our local inspector was out and on his report noted that there was no sign of a queen in the hive (I thought he was refering to the split nuc, since I had just checked it a few days before, and found no sign of a queen). I decided to try again, and when I checked my hive last night to look for a frame of uncapped brood, I found that he was refering to my hive - no sign of brood in any stage, anywhere in the hive. I'm working on getting 2 queens sometime this week, one for the nuc (where I'm certain there is no queen), and one for my hive (I'm not sure the queen I had was that good anyway, the brood pattern this year was not that good, and their not drawing good comb). My hive has a few empty queen cells, but no sign of a laying queen. I'm not too worried about re-queening the nuc, as they never really had a queen, but would like any advice on how to proceed with my hive. Most postings I have read suggest having brood, but I don't have any at all in this hive (but I might "steal" a frame from my other son's hive if I must, but I'd rather not take the chance of rolling another queen right now). Any suggenstions? Thanks. Duane Rezac drezac@greenapple.com Article 32306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping questions Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:24:39 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-145.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32306 This spring I split my hives and requeened all from Italian to the Carnolian. I find that the Carnolians have less of the varroa mites, actually I have not seen any. They seem cleaner. Now to my questions. 1. Some of my hives have full brood chambers, do I need to split them up again? Would I be better off adding another brood chamber and let them work on it, moving some of the brood into the newly added one? 2. I heard that the Carnolians were succeptible to swarming, but I didn't realize that they were this bad. It seems that every time I go in it them, I'm finding queen cells in the making which I remove. It doesn't seem to matter whether they have plenty of room or not. Is there any way to curb this? 3. The honey flow seems to be over for the most part, do I need to remove all empty supers even though they're not filled? I've noticed that bees are starting to gnaw on the foundation that hasn't been worked out. None of my hives have a full super on them, is this normal after splitting? They started out with about 3-4 frames of brood each in the beginning. By the way, I'm in Tennessee. Thanks for your help Steve Article 32307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Jun 2002 12:19:34 GMT References: <700de225.0206021411.1bb3fbbe@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Weeds round the hives Message-ID: <20020603081934.25288.00002381@mb-fz.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32307 >I've never heard of off-setting the supers - is this something which >is viable in Scotland with our unpredicatable weather ? > All you do is pull the first super back 3/4 " and it provides an entrance across the top of the brood chamber. Who has predictable weather? Article 32308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Jun 2002 12:25:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beekeeping questions Message-ID: <20020603082532.25288.00002382@mb-fz.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32308 I have been trying out carnis and they sure build up fast in the spring. Two of my swarms filled a medium super each in about 9 days. For swarm control you need to keep congestion in the brood nest to a minimum. This means drawn comb for the bees to lay in and drawn comb in supers. Article 32309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do you make a queen excluder? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:17:28 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 112 Message-ID: References: <01RJ8.1931$f52.217818@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023131851 34417349 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32309 Ken, I was just interested to hear what you had to say about QE and bees not tending to move up. As there are many ways to manipulate them to work for you other than Honey Excluders. I noticed your name appear in April as what appeared to be a new beekeeper with questions about making a split. Are your hives built up enough for your bees to be moving up into supers? You mention you were splitting your one hive into 3 nucs in your message and you were awaiting some more nucs to arrive. I wouldn't count them out as there are just as many reason to use them as I am sure there are to not use them. Some folks will let their bees move up into the supers and once working the supers will verify that there isn't a queen up in them then put the excluder on. Others may tell you to put the excluder on the opposite way that it is design which will leave the front and rear of the hive open... saying that the queen will not move up the sides... In this case there are many ways to skin a cat. OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:01RJ8.1931$f52.217818@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Beefarmer, I don't mean to sound like I know anything about bees, except for > what I have read and been told. I have little experiance with them and I am > a complete novice. I only write any comments I might have to be helpful and > voice only my opinion. > > I have been making my living making wooden bowls for the last 10 years and > still don't consider myself an expert because all I know is what works for > me. > > I only have 9 hives and the ones with extruders have no bees in the top > super and the foundation is untouched. The ones without the extruders are > 1/4 full and the foundation is well built up. All hives came from the same > source. In my observation hive I have never spotted the queen on the second > or third frame, she is on the bottom frame exclusively. > > So, I know not what I is right or wrong, just what I have seen and > experianced. As with most thing there is no right or wrong, but rather what > works for you ....... Cheers... Ken....... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > news:ad7o0k$urn7n$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > Ken your advice is rather pointed how long have you NOT been using Queen > > Excluders in comparison to Using Queen Excluders for comparison that makes > > you feel bees tend not to bother going up through them unless they have > to. > > > > -- > > OhioBeeFarmer > > Getting kids involved in Beekeeping > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > "Ken Bullock" wrote in message > > news:hvIJ8.1670$f52.194207@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > > I don't think you could make them for what they cost to buy. Then you > > would > > > have to be certian that you had the correct diamention, hard to do in > wood > > > or wire. For 2 or 3 dollars, you might just as well buy one. > > > > > > I personnally don't use them, as the bees tend not to bother going up > > > through them unless they have to.... Ken... > > > > > > -- > > > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "rad0" wrote in message > > > news:ad7ab3$uor$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net... > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I want to make a queen barrier between the brood > > > > chamber and the honey chamber. How are these > > > > made? What dimensions or diameters for the > > > > holes are needed? Do you normally make a slotted thing > > > > or a board with a bunch of holes, or what? > > > > > > > > And what material is best? Does it have to be wooden so the > > > > bees can grab onto it? Or is plastic OK? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK beekeeper - 19queen cells over 5 frames? Date: 3 Jun 2002 15:21:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206031421.1be996e9@posting.google.com> References: <1b093a58.0206021437.487d383f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.190.108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023142895 2000 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2002 22:21:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2002 22:21:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32310 fcooke@lineone.net (Freddie Cooke) wrote in message news:<1b093a58.0206021437.487d383f@posting.google.com>... > I found nineteen queen cells in various stages of construction over > five brood frames today. Two of them have opened recently, (they > still have flaps attached}, and another three are still sealed. Does > this mean that they have been formed after the emergence of previous > queens? > Am I right in supposing that this indicates a propensity to swarm. Am > I also right to be surprised at the number of cells formed in just > sixteen days since last checking the brood chamber? We had a similar thing at our branch apiary in north devon last week. we normally check our hives on a weekly basis but were delayed by bad weather for one week. when we were cutting out the not wanted sealed queen cells they were hatching out and running over our hands, thats not often seen. We dont normally get a lot of swarming but it does happen if you dont keep an eye on them about this time of the year.. It just proves that sixteen day inspections are too long at swarming time. Article 32311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic Acid- a bit more info Date: 3 Jun 2002 16:05:30 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0206031505.4c7eb72f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023145530 4187 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2002 23:05:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2002 23:05:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32311 A few folks have asked in the past where they can buy Oxalic Acid in the US. Here's one source I checked out. Go to an auto parts store and look for Prestone(R) Heavy Duty Cooling System Cleaner. It's a dry crystal product, packaged in a can. (Yellow, of course.) You open one end and there is Oxalic Acid crystals. The other end has sodium carbonate neutralizer. I went to the Prestone web site and requested the MSDS sheets. It shows the acid part to be "90 to 98 percent Oxalic Acid". The remainder is Magnesium Aluminum Silicate and non-ionic surficants. I'm not a chemist, but I would imagine the Magnesium Aluminum Silicate is also added as a surficant. Anyway, if you only need a small amount, this seems to be a somewhat pure source of Oxalic Acid that could be purchased easily. One other thing that caught my interest on the MSDS sheet, under "Stability and Reacitvity", it says "Decomposition Products: Thermal decomposition will yield oxides of carbon and formic acid." I wonder if this stuff works against mites by breaking down into formic acid? Nuc. Article 32312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fcooke@lineone.net (Freddie Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation and extra entrances Date: 3 Jun 2002 16:48:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1b093a58.0206031548.306e2980@posting.google.com> References: <20020602183806.28230.00001459@mb-mh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.65.92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023148101 6238 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2002 23:48:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2002 23:48:21 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32312 Hi Julie, I would always recommend using wired foundation in super frames. This is especially beneficial in supporting the comb when extracting honey in a tangental extractor. Even so it is important to keep the revolutions down to the lowest possible in order to prevent the distortion and possible break up of the comb. I remember reading an article on suplementary entrances some years ago in the British Beekeepers Association's digest. Several experienced beekeepers said they were unable to prove any advantage whereas the extra entrances increased the incidence of robbing. I presume there would be a consequent increase in the numbers of bees required for guard duty. Best wishes Freddie Cooke. UK Beekeeper based near Shifnal in Shropshire. Article 32313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 8th day hive check - Advice, please? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 135 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:39:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023154785 209.204.149.216 (Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:39:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:39:45 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:451 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32313 Here comes the rookie... Duck 'n cover! :) If you've been following along, you know about the swarm I hived a week ago this past Saturday. Todaywas payday, and after cashing my check, I went over to the Dadant branch in the next town over, and picked up the most basic of basic gear: Their el-cheapo smoker, a hive tool, and a real veil to put over my stetson. The fellow behind the counter took pity on the rookie and threw in a brush, a copy of ABJ, and a copy of their catalog, along with trying to sell me what looked like a thirty pound can of Terramycin, at a price I didn't even want to look at, let alone try to pay. Good gawd! The can he was trying to sell me would've dosed three of my horses for a month, by the look of it! :) Or been a ten lifetime supply for a beekeeper with a whole 4-5 frames worth of bees! :) So I get the goodies home, and I play with firing up the smoker. We've got a nice blow-down oak tree that I haven't gotten around to clearing out (It isn't in the way, so why bother, I figure.) that's got lotsa little twigs, so I lit a twist of newspaper, dropped it in the smoker, then stuffed it full of oak twigs, and started pumping the bellows. Once the open flames had receded to leave me a good bed of coals, I stuffed a double-handful of fresh green grass in, and flipped the lid shut. Sure enough, she smoked like... Well, we won't go to cliche-ville, will we? :) Cutting to the end of the story, the load lasted for as long as I was working with the hive, with a wimpy little thin dribble still trailing out of it after I was done, so I guess I got things right on my first firing. Had to be beginner's luck - especially after some of the grumbling I've heard about how hard a smoker is to get properly stoked. Or maybe the fact that I've built many upon many, and many more campfires over the years, so I know how to lay a decent fire with whatever comes to hand had something to do with it? Either way, I'm not seeing what the "I can't make my smoker smoke" grumbling is based on. Seemed simple enough to me. Anyway, There was a reason behind getting the gear... I wanted to do the 1 week check. So after putting together the veil/stetson combination, suiting up in my two long-sleeve shirts (Remember, Don, the bees will be happier with the light one on the outside...) and taping on my gloves, I went up and cracked the hive open. A few puffs from the smoker, and everybody was down in the frames, and I was able to get to work with only one or two bees buzzing around the area. Just like the last time I looked, the first five (farthest from me) frames were all but completely bee-free. They seem to be using only the near-side frames so far. Unlike last time, there's comb drawn all over the place. And that's where the advice is needed... Of 10 sides of the frame they're using, approximately 5 sides are covered in the "crazy-comb" I described in one of my earlier messages. Two of the frames (9 and 10 of the set, 10 being the closest to me when I work on the hive - it's on the far right side as you stand in front of the hive looking at the entrance) are actually bridged together (Errr... WERE bridged together...) by comb that's drawn perpendicular to the faces of the frames in three locations. And it isn't just "brace" comb... It's full of something that bears a suspicious resemblance to honey. Whether it's my sugar syrup, actual honey, or a mixture is a question I can't answer right now, but it's there. So what (if anything) should I do about this??? Obviously, it's going to make handling the frames harder than it needs to be, not to mention making for grumpy bees if I have to tear up the comb every time I want to do something inside. Should I do a preventative "rip out" now, while initial construction is still going on (maybe remove a couple of the frames that aren't being used yet, and pile the chunks I tear out in the empty space so they cam be recycled? It'd be a shame for 'em to make all that wax, only to have to start from scratch), in hopes that they'll establish a "proper" type of comb when they rebuild, or should I just leave it go as it is? Another frame has one face that's about a 50/50 mix of "normal comb", and what I'm already thinking of as "split-level comb" - There's roughly half-depth of normal comb on the foundation, then it's almost like somebody used a knife to lift a section of that half-comb away from the foundation, and lap it over (but not touching) another section of the frame, where it appears to be getting built out to full-depth cells with a bee-space between it and the foundation. This frame, BTW, is also where I *THINK* I saw my queen - It was really tough to tell for certain, since I didn't get a really good look at her, but, comparing the critter I saw to a "normal" worker, and using wing length as a reference, where the workers' wings end JUST short of the tip of the stinger-end of the abdomen (roughly one pair of bands before the end of the abdomen), this critter's wings ended (comparatively) so short that it looked like she had a second abdomen segment grafted on. This one's abdomen was also much more... Oh... what's the word I want to use? "Pointed" isn't quite right, and neither is "tapered", but they're both real close... The workers have stumpy little rounded or blunt butts, this bee had a long, tapering, almost pointed behind. Between the mass of workers milling around that section, and the "split-level" comb, I wasn't able to get a good look at the head end. Based on a few images I've found online, I'd have to guess that I did indeed spot the queen. None of the cells I could see into showed either eggs or larvae, but with it being only a week, I'm not yet sure whether I should be worried. Some folks here have said it might be as much as 2 weeks before a "new" queen starts laying, so I guess I'll wait at least that long before going into panic mode. For what it's worth, most of the swarm is banded with the "smoky yellow" colors that I think means Italian stock, mixed with a good proportion of almost solid black workers that I think means Carnolians. The (presumed) queen I saw was nearly all black, so I'm not sure *QUITE* what to think I've got anymore. The current batch of workers definitely has the often described "really mellow" temperament that goes with Italians, but... And for what it's worth, only one bee decided to try to sting today, probably because I mooshed her with a clumsy gloved finger as I tried to shoo her out from under the end of the frame so I could set it back in the hive body. I came away with her stinger busily trying to pump poison into the fingertip of the glove. Sheesh... and there I was trying to KEEP from killing her... Ah well... Such is life, I guess. I *AM* a bit worried about something else I noticed, though... Several (A whole helluva bunch on one frame) cells are full of what looks to be mold - greyish-green, some of it looks like it COULD be pollen-balls that went moldy, other cells look like the stuff grew there, rather than being placed. Not sure what, if anything, to think of that... Any ideas for me on that? The workers on those cells didn't appear to be particularly concerned about whatever it was, with several poking their heads in, staying for a moment, then backing out and going on about whatever bee-errands they were on. Perhaps this is the "bee-bread" I've heard of? Meanwhile, thanks for reading, and I'd appreciate any advice you've got to offer. I imagine any other rookies that might be lurking out there would love to hear it, too... These groups could use some more traffic :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long to liberate queen Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad23e2.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1023157791 5357 128.173.35.226 (4 Jun 2002 02:29:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:29:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32314 What is an average time for a queen to be liberated from her little cage when introduced? My experience has been three or four days. Article 32315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on Re-Queening Date: 3 Jun 2002 20:41:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <75213ab.0206031941.44027d67@posting.google.com> References: <7ec141c5.0206030318.372fbb2c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023162060 17077 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2002 03:41:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2002 03:41:00 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32315 No brood at any stage huh? I would proceed with causion in introducing a new queen without any brood present. If you have access to a hive with brood/eggs, you could put a few frames in your queenless/broodless hive and see if they start making queen cells. If they do, then cut all the queen cells out and add the queen cage between two frames with brood. Squish the cage a little bit into the brood comb (preferably around brood just about to emerge, don't worry about messing up the comb, the bees will fix that when you take out the cage later on). Remeber to have the hole side up and the cage screen accessible to surrounding bees. Wait 3 to 5 day and remove the cage with as little disturbance as possible. Then wait 7 more days and do a thorough inspection. I lost my queen when I got a split this year. The minute I realized it, I got a queen and did the above with very good sucess. This is just a suggestion. Eric in K-town Article 32316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rad0" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do you make a queen excluder? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:57:28 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b0.b8 X-Server-Date: 4 Jun 2002 04:00:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32316 Do the bees crawl up between the frames or around the ends of the frames? I'm still deciding what I want to try for my queen excluder design. or both? I was thinking of placing two pieces of thin plexiglass over the bottom frames and leaving only the ends open for the workers. Does anyone have any experience with something like this? will it work or not? Thanks Article 32317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: eric@rain.org (Eric Peterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My bees left me! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.1 Lines: 38 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 04:40:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.63.160.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1023165657 4.63.160.119 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:40:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:40:57 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!d58cdffb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32317 Thanks to all that replied -The paint on my hives had been dry for several months, so I don't think that was an issue, but I'll clean things up and I'll see if I can't find a swarm around here, or perhaps a beekeeper I can ask for some bees to try this again. Regards, Eric In article , ericgrog@yahoo.com (Eric Peterson) wrote: > I'm a first-time beekeeper and got a new batch of bees (4 lb + queen). I > followed all the directions and got them into the hive (Pierco black > plastic frames). A week later they were all seemingly doing well, (though > I did have to move the hive onto a small table to take care of ants.) > Weather was beautiful, and the flowers are all blooming (though I also had > 50% sugar water for them.) > > After about 10 days, I wanted to go in and check out the queen. Lo and > behold, all my bees were gone! Called up the folks that sent my bees to > me and they said that though it was rare for bees "not to like a hive", it > wasn't unheard of. > > Any other ideas, and or suggestions as to what I can do next year to keep > this from occuring again?! > > Thanks in advance, > > Eric > > -- > Eric Peterson > Camarillo, CA > ericgrog@yahoo.com -- Eric Peterson eric.grog@verizon.net Article 32318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CFBE1D8.2A3DAEAB@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 06:03:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc03.gnilink.net 1023170587 67.251.117.16 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 02:03:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 02:03:07 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc03.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32318 Last week, I captured a nest of bumblebees, put them in an observation box, mounted it on the north side of my shed, and took the cork out of the entrance hole the following day. The 'hive' is doing fine and is getting more activity as new batches hatch. I had never seen a bumblebee nest, and my husband and I found two in an old chicken house that we are repairing. Unfortunately, we destroyed the first nest before we knew what it was. It was in a rotten floor that we were removing. I discovered the other one behind a crate, and I put my bee suit on that evening and scooped up the nest and young bees. I have 4 stands of honey bees, but I'm also fascinated by the interesting life cycle of the bumblebee, another great pollinator. (I also made a number of 'homes,' 4x4s with holes drilled in them, for the carpenter bees.) Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CFBE1D8.2A3DAEAB@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Bumblebees Lines: 36 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:56:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023180966 67.227.197.42 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:56:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:56:06 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32319 Hey, If you have a digi cammera please gets some photos.... Id love to see them... wuffman http://www.wuffman.com "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3CFBE1D8.2A3DAEAB@atlas.localdomain... > Last week, I captured a nest of bumblebees, put them in an observation > box, mounted it on the north side of my shed, and took the cork out of > the entrance hole the following day. The 'hive' is doing fine and is > getting more activity as new batches hatch. > > I had never seen a bumblebee nest, and my husband and I found two in an > old chicken house that we are repairing. Unfortunately, we destroyed > the first nest before we knew what it was. It was in a rotten floor > that we were removing. I discovered the other one behind a crate, and I > put my bee suit on that evening and scooped up the nest and young bees. > > I have 4 stands of honey bees, but I'm also fascinated by the > interesting life cycle of the bumblebee, another great pollinator. > > (I also made a number of 'homes,' 4x4s with holes drilled in them, for > the carpenter bees.) > > Louise > -- > Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to > n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. > | -- Leo Tolstoy > Article 32320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: My bees left me! Lines: 50 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:56:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023180973 67.227.197.42 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:56:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:56:13 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32320 Were they packaged bees or in a nuc box? I have talked to several people that are dead set angainst packaged bees, and they swear by nuc boxes, more bees and better success stories, cause you take thier ftames from the nuc box and put them into the hive so they already have their scent on them.... I am also a first year beekeeper but I have been doing alot of homework over the last 2 years and finaly got me 2 hives. One was so good a wild (?) swarm moved into it free of charge.. I am so surprised at how well it is doing... about 2 weeks out now and there is so many bees buzzing around it... I opened it yesterday and it is so full that I stuck another wester ( 6.5/8 supper) on top of it... I have not been able to see the queen yet but the 2 full boxes are packed out... and at leaste 4 iner frames are 90% capped I think that is a good sign... wuffman http://www.wuffman.com "Eric Peterson" wrote in message news:ericgrog-2905022159190001@192.168.0.21... > I'm a first-time beekeeper and got a new batch of bees (4 lb + queen). I > followed all the directions and got them into the hive (Pierco black > plastic frames). A week later they were all seemingly doing well, (though > I did have to move the hive onto a small table to take care of ants.) > Weather was beautiful, and the flowers are all blooming (though I also had > 50% sugar water for them.) > > After about 10 days, I wanted to go in and check out the queen. Lo and > behold, all my bees were gone! Called up the folks that sent my bees to > me and they said that though it was rare for bees "not to like a hive", it > wasn't unheard of. > > Any other ideas, and or suggestions as to what I can do next year to keep > this from occuring again?! > > Thanks in advance, > > Eric > > -- > Eric Peterson > Camarillo, CA > ericgrog@yahoo.com > Article 32321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lawn care - was Bumblebees and tomato pollination Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:27:48 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> <0JAK8.99852$Kp.10294567@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 114 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32321 Perfect solution for the dandelions, clover even crab grass!. Plamt Zoysia grass and within a few years you'll never seen them in your yard again. Lot's are in my neighbors but I have none in my yard. Chuck TN "The Rock Garden" wrote in message news:0JAK8.99852$Kp.10294567@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > "Dave Green" > > > Tomatoes are pollinated by motion, which can be supplied by wind or > > humans using vibrators. But a sonicating bee is the best tomato pollinator > > of all. In its native range in South America the wild progenitor of the > > tomato was buzz pollinated, but the species of bee was not carried around > > the world along with the tomato plants. It's sonication frequency was > > perfect for maximum pollen release. > > > > Bumblebees, however do a creditable job of buzz pollinating. They hang > > from the flower (which bends into a perfect position for pollen release) > and > > vibrate their wing muscles without flying. This is called sonication. > > Honeybees have been known to sonicate on rare occasions, but they don't > > commonly do it at all. > > > > Tomato stamens do not have the pollen at the surface of the anthers > like > > most flowers. The pollen is inside, and it requires motion to release it > > thru pores in the anther. > > Tomato pollination graphics: http://www.pollinator.com/tomato.htm > > > Thanks Dave. It's nice to learn all folk lore isn't gospel, especially when > you can back it up with facts. > > Since you're back on line for a while perhaps we can finish up a thread > that was started over on misc.rural a while back, but never tied up. I > forget all the details, but someone asked about spraying pesticides and you > made your usual excellent reply in regards to protecting the bees. I posted > a query, meant for you to run with, about how best to control dandelions and > clover in lawns without harming the bees, but evidently about that time you > decided to go fishing as you never posted a reply. > > How 'bout it? What advice do you (or anyone else) have for the average home > owner who isn't willing to live with the dandelions and/or clover in the > lawn and isn't about to dig them out by hand, but is willing to be educated > as to how he/she can get rid of it without killing off the bees? > > Skip > > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "RPM1" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:17:50 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3CFBE1D8.2A3DAEAB@atlas.localdomain> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32322 "wuffman" > If you have a digi cammera please gets some photos.... Id love to see > them... Yes, yes! Photos please! Ruth CM Article 32323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Jun 2002 14:54:07 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Lawn care - was Bumblebees and tomato pollination Message-ID: <20020604105407.03264.00000023@mb-mj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32323 Zoysia grass is ugly especially in the northeast where it spends most of it's time brown and dormant. If you want to control weeds in cool season turfgrasses set your mower on it's highest setting and let the grass crowd them out. Article 32324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Brookes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:14:47 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1788.tiger.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1023207898 10390 62.136.214.252 (4 Jun 2002 16:24:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2002 16:24:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32324 Just bought a bottle myself out of interest. Going to give it a try at the weekend. I've made up 5 fume boards but I'll take my porters along too just in case! I'd be interested to hear how you get on. David Perthshire "wuffman" wrote in message news:oiaK8.1201$v06.1034@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? > > I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it just > clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he > deeps... > > Brian > > Article 32325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Greg Hupf" From: "Greg Hupf" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020604105407.03264.00000023@mb-mj.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lawn care - was Bumblebees and tomato pollination Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:54:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.200.206.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023216865 67.200.206.13 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:54:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:54:25 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a441586b!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32325 A grass that is dormant for a longer period requires less mowing, watering, and fertilizing. Grass that is as thick as zoysia has less weed problems. These are all very attractive qualities in a lawn grass. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020604105407.03264.00000023@mb-mj.aol.com... > Zoysia grass is ugly especially in the northeast where it spends most of it's > time brown and dormant. Article 32326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long after a mating flight should I see eggs/brood? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:00:00 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 37 Sender: spamblock@spamblock.com Message-ID: Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3879.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1023217097 1813 217.134.111.39 (4 Jun 2002 18:58:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2002 18:58:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!spamblock.com!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32326 I hail from North Devon, UK. I will apologise for my ignorance, this is my first season [after taking a swarm in Aug 2001]. Our hive swarmed three times in May. On the 8th I wasn't there for the first swarm with the old queen and couldn't find it, inspecting the hive two days later found queen cells aplenty. On the 16th caught the second on a nearby bush only to lose it again when I hived it. We then went into a two week run of cold wind and rain. On Friday 31st I wasn't there again for the third swarm, but was told there was lots of bees, but they weren't seen to settle anywhere and disappeared again quickly. We inspected the next day and found 14 queen cells, four of which looked still sealed, we knocked off all but one. There was no brood left only a few drones, just emerging, which suggests that the last eggs were laid 24 days ago, on the 8th, the day of the first swarm. So if that was the case, that queen cell, even if it was an emergency one should have been vacated. I've been hoping that this last episode was just a mating flight, so I had another look today [Tuesday] and the queen cell was still sealed and there were no eggs to be seen. So the question is, without having spotted a queen, how long should I wait for potential laying before I can safely say that the colony is queenless? And will requeening at this late stage be successful? Or should I be looking for a swarm to combine with it? -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 32327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Greg Hupf" From: "Greg Hupf" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:06:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.200.206.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023217560 67.200.206.239 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:06:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:06:00 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a441586b!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32327 I am not a beekeeper but have been avidly reading up on the subject for about a month. Oxalic acid is a noted chemical used for varroa mite control. (I think) Oxalic acid is the compound responsible for the taste of sourwood leaves and hence the name of the tree. (Based on "Common Forest Trees of North Carolina" produced by North Carolina Department of Environmentand Natural Resources) Sourwood is an attractive plant to bees and produces a quality honey. (I think) Based on the above, do hives that forage on a high percentage of sourwood have higher resistance to varroa mites? Article 32328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Shawn M." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Leave Well Enough Alone? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:43:02 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:49:02 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!news-east.rr.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32328 Dear Steve; Find a local beekeeper to look at your hive. He might be able to remove it and place it in a honey producing hive in your backyard (or the neighbor who likes them). That way you won't have some of the worries expressed by yourself and the other posters. In a year or so he will share some of the honey production. A possible sweet solution. Shawn "Steve Thomas" <70721.602@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com... > Hi: > You guys have probably been pestered with this sort of question Article 32329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:48:53 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.240.157 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023223987 35260716 144.138.240.157 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!144.138.240.157!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32329 I wouldn't think many plants put their toxins into their nectar or pollen. Having foliage consumed is destructive to a plant. Having nectar consumed is an advantage. It gets more complex with fruit. Many plants have fruit toxic to mammals but not to birds. This is because mammals chew and digest seeds, whereas they are spread far and wide by birds while remaining viable after passing through the digestive tract. Rhubarb is an example of a plant being very selective about which parts get to have oxalic acid in them. John "Greg Hupf" wrote: > I am not a beekeeper but have been avidly reading up on the subject for > about a month. > > Oxalic acid is a noted chemical used for varroa mite control. (I think) > > Oxalic acid is the compound responsible for the taste of sourwood leaves and > hence the name of the tree. (Based on "Common Forest Trees of North > Carolina" produced by North Carolina Department of Environmentand Natural > Resources) > > Sourwood is an attractive plant to bees and produces a quality honey. (I > think) > > > Based on the above, do hives that forage on a high percentage of sourwood > have higher resistance to varroa mites? Article 32330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: alhntn@webtv.net (alh-n-tn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mason Bees Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6262-3CFD4ED9-792@storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQZNoUq7OBH4avUbszXmlkME+RLqQIVALVbsuTNab5ej8bnBLBRhn8oMgSJ Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32330 Hello, Recently I saw a program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation on pollination and the different kinds of bees farmers use to pollinate their crops. There were three: honey bees, bumblebees, and one I had never heard of, the mason bee. I was really intrigued by the mason bee. Does anyone in this group have any experience with the mason bee? If so, would you please share you knowledge of this fascinating bee. Many thanks. Take Care. alh-n-tn (Lester, the East Tennessee Dude) Article 32331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long after a mating flight should I see eggs/brood? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:58:24 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.87 X-Server-Date: 5 Jun 2002 04:01:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32331 The whole requeening mess, after swarming, is tricky simply because you don't know what the bees have in the works. If you have a queen cell, then let it hatch...after it hatches the queen will usually leave the hive within six days, if the weather is good, to mate. Sometimes they never make it back to the hive, especailly if the hive is close to other hives. If it is just a single hive then the chances are more in your favor. I have had cells that the queen inside had been killed by a previous hatched queen and the bees hadn't got around to cleaning it up. If you are careful, and you know the cell is at least 6-7 days old (a queen cell that has been capped for a few days), you can cut the cell and gently shake it to see if you can hear the pupa inside raddle. If you hear the raddle then you can be mostly assured that the pupa is still alive and may hatch out in a few more days. Replace the cell gently back in its orginal location. I would leave the bees alone for at least a week and see if they get things worked out on there own--usually they work things out better than we can. If, after that time, the cell hasn't hatched and you can't find any evidence of any sort of queen, virgin or mated, then find a replacement. If you check the bees after a week's time, check before 1:00 or after 5:00 since the queen may be gone during this time to mate and you may miss her. The bees will probably bee without much brood during this transition of finding a new queen. It's fairly common after a hive throws a few swarms. You might want to get some brood from a fellow beekeeper to boost the hive until you can get things running smoothly again. If you get any brood check for diseases by examining the larva and capped brood. Two or three frames of brood will probably be enough. Another option is to cut that cell and use it elsewhere and find a replacement queen immediately. This may be more convenient and easier for you. I hope my ramblings help you in some way, Christopher Petree Article 32332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ericgrog@yahoo.com (Eric Peterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My bees left me! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.1 Lines: 69 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:44:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.63.160.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1023252289 4.63.160.119 (Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:44:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:44:49 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!d58cdffb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32332 In article , "wuffman" wrote: > Were they packaged bees or in a nuc box? Packaged. They did stay around for about 10 days - and at least *seemed* to be happy... If only they could talk :-) > I have talked to several people that are dead set angainst packaged bees, > and they swear by nuc boxes, more bees and better success stories, cause you > take thier ftames from the nuc box and put them into the hive so they > already have their scent on them.... I'll see if I can't find another beekeeper around here (anyone in Ventura County, CA listening?) that I can buy a nuc from; I'd rather not wait another year, especially with my current luck with packaged bees. > I am also a first year beekeeper but I have been doing alot of homework over > the last 2 years and finaly got me 2 hives. One was so good a wild (?) > swarm moved into it free of charge.. I am so surprised at how well it is > doing... > about 2 weeks out now and there is so many bees buzzing around it... I > opened it yesterday and it is so full that I stuck another wester ( 6.5/8 > supper) on top of it... > I have not been able to see the queen yet but the 2 full boxes are packed > out... and at leaste 4 iner frames are 90% capped I think that is a good > sign... Sounds good! I should be so lucky - I wonder if there are any scents or potions one can add to a hive to attract a swarm? Thanks for the info and reply. Regards, Eric > "Eric Peterson" wrote in message > news:ericgrog-2905022159190001@192.168.0.21... > > I'm a first-time beekeeper and got a new batch of bees (4 lb + queen). I > > followed all the directions and got them into the hive (Pierco black > > plastic frames). A week later they were all seemingly doing well, (though > > I did have to move the hive onto a small table to take care of ants.) > > Weather was beautiful, and the flowers are all blooming (though I also had > > 50% sugar water for them.) > > > > After about 10 days, I wanted to go in and check out the queen. Lo and > > behold, all my bees were gone! Called up the folks that sent my bees to > > me and they said that though it was rare for bees "not to like a hive", it > > wasn't unheard of. > > > > Any other ideas, and or suggestions as to what I can do next year to keep > > this from occuring again?! > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Eric > > > > -- > > Eric Peterson > > Camarillo, CA > > ericgrog@yahoo.com > > -- Eric Peterson eric.grog@verizon.net Article 32333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Lines: 73 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <83hL8.183321$GG6.15340968@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 05:10:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1023253828 24.64.223.206 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:10:28 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:10:28 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!skynet.be!skynet.be!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32333 Oxalic Acid is the best Varroa Mites killer. Essential advantages over the actual usually fighting methods are: no delays in the honey, beeswax and propolis very good bee compatibility no early ageing of the bees (important to population of the bees in spring) outside any time of honey-collection usable (admittance still outstanding) high degree of effectiveness , up to 99% and very user kind for the beekeeper. Look at the Internet; Varroa mite control or Oxalic Acid Vaporizer. There are many pages how to tread the bees with Oxalic Acid. Oxalic Acid is in many plants and we eat them every day. I give you a sample: Vegetable/Oxalic acid (g/100 g) --- Amaranth/1.09 - Asparagus/.13 --- Beans, snap/.36 --- Beet leaves/.61--- Broccoli/.19 --- Brussels sprouts/.36 --- Cabbage/.10 --- Carrot/.50 --- Cassava/1.26 --- Cauliflower/.15 --- Celery/.19 --- Chicory/.21 --- Chives/1.48 --- Collards/.45 --- Coriander/.01 --- Corn, sweet/.01 --- Cucumbers/.02 --- Eggplant/.19 --- Endive/.11 --- Garlic/.36 --- Kale/.02 --- Lettuce/.33 --- Okra/.05 --- Onion/.05 --- Parsley/1.70 --- Parsnip/.04 --- Pea/.05 --- Pepper/.04 --- Potato/.05 --- Purslane/1.31 --- Radish/.48 --- Rutabaga/.03 --- Spinach/.97 --- Squash/.02 --- Sweet potato/.24 --- Tomato/.05 --- Turnip/.21 -- Turnip greens/.05. Manfred "John Henderson" wrote in message news:adj9bh$11k29c$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > I wouldn't think many plants put their toxins into their nectar > or pollen. Having foliage consumed is destructive to a plant. > Having nectar consumed is an advantage. > > It gets more complex with fruit. Many plants have fruit toxic to > mammals but not to birds. This is because mammals chew and > digest seeds, whereas they are spread far and wide by birds while > remaining viable after passing through the digestive tract. > > Rhubarb is an example of a plant being very selective about which > parts get to have oxalic acid in them. > > John > > "Greg Hupf" wrote: > > > I am not a beekeeper but have been avidly reading up on the > subject for > > about a month. > > > > Oxalic acid is a noted chemical used for varroa mite control. > (I think) > > > > Oxalic acid is the compound responsible for the taste of > sourwood leaves and > > hence the name of the tree. (Based on "Common Forest Trees of > North > > Carolina" produced by North Carolina Department of > Environmentand Natural > > Resources) > > > > Sourwood is an attractive plant to bees and produces a quality > honey. (I > > think) > > > > > > Based on the above, do hives that forage on a high percentage > of sourwood > > have higher resistance to varroa mites? > > Article 32334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Technology Management Ltd Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-238-78.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1023260376 25942 217.34.238.78 (5 Jun 2002 06:59:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:59:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32334 > I think that I'll keep and eye for any dark honey and keep it separately. I won't > overreact too much but just be careful and I'll look into this subject more. It is wise to check your honey, willow herb is terrific if you can get enough, as are many other single flower honey sources but this is difficult in the UK because there is seldom enough of any source to provide more than a couple of frames at a time - apart from OSR and blackberry in my area. Sometimes there is a 'tree honey' which comprises chestnut plus honeydew and this can be quite dark. If you take up showing honey selecting just a few frames and extracting only those can be the way to winning often. > Is it the kind of plant that bees will actively forage for? i.e.: I know that if they > find a field of rape then they seem to take the nectar from that at the exclusion of > all other plants in the vicinity. Bees have intelligence and will always go where the reward is greatest for the expended effort - quite natural really. Keith Article 32335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Technology Management Ltd Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> <75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com> Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-238-78.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1023260377 25942 217.34.238.78 (5 Jun 2002 06:59:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:59:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32335 "Eric Vincill" wrote in message news:75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com... > I was reading a book today (written in the UK) that stated that > ragwort is a very early bloomer and if supered AFTER it blooms, then > the honey produced from it will only be fed to the bees for spring > brood build-up. This is true of any nectar source, if you could get nucs or swarms into lay before OSR flowered they would turn all that nectar into brood rather than lard! > It also said that the honey was not suitable for human consumption, but did not say > anything about its effects of bees. If it does not kill or incapacitate a bee or its brood, why should it harm a human? Keith Article 32336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6262-3CFD4ED9-792@storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Mason Bees Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:22:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1023265375 24.31.194.116 (Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:22:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:22:55 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32336 Alternative Pollinators: http://www.pollinator.com/alt_pollinators.htm -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "alh-n-tn" wrote in message news:6262-3CFD4ED9-792@storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net... > > Hello, > > Recently I saw a program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation on > pollination and the different kinds of bees farmers use to pollinate > their crops. There were three: honey bees, bumblebees, and one I had > never heard of, the mason bee. I was really intrigued by the mason bee. > Does anyone in this group have any experience with the mason bee? If > so, would you please share you knowledge of this fascinating bee. > > Many thanks. > > Take Care. > > > alh-n-tn > (Lester, the East Tennessee Dude) > Article 32337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long after a mating flight should I see eggs/brood? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:35:25 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 45 Sender: spamblock@spamblock.com Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2353.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1023266783 12750 217.134.233.49 (5 Jun 2002 08:46:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2002 08:46:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!spamblock.com!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32337 On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Christopher Petree wrote: >The whole requeening mess, after swarming, is tricky simply because you don't know what the bees have in the works. >If you have a queen cell, then let it hatch... I suspect it is a dead cell, a sealed queen cell would have been laid anywhere between 8 and 16 day ago and the old queen left 23 days ago. Looking at the rest of the broodbox there is no brood to be seen. >I have had cells that the queen inside had been killed by a previous >hatched queen and the bees hadn't got around to cleaning it up. I suspect that is the case here >I would leave the bees alone for at least a week and see >if they get things worked out on there own--usually they work things >out better than we can. If, after that time, the cell hasn't hatched >and you can't find any evidence of any sort of queen, virgin or mated, >then find a replacement. I'm a bit loathe to leave it much longer, the last queen went out 5 days ago, there's no brood, no laying and no sign of a queen (although a small queen from an emergency cell could easily evade my inexperienced eyes. >If you check the bees after a week's time, check before 1:00 or after >5:00 since the queen may be gone during this time to mate and you may >miss her. The bees will probably bee without much brood during this >transition of finding a new queen. It's fairly common after a hive >throws a few swarms. I think we'll have to make that none. > You might want to get some brood from a fellow beekeeper to boost the >hive until you can get things running smoothly again. Thank you for the advice. -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 32339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:07:06 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023289629 199188 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32339 No. Sourwood is in our area, beekeepers find just as many, if not sometimes more (due to longer honey season) mites on the bees they take to the mountains for sourwood. "Greg Hupf" wrote in message news:sc8L8.1685$9H4.822@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I am not a beekeeper but have been avidly reading up on the subject for > about a month. > > Oxalic acid is a noted chemical used for varroa mite control. (I think) > > Oxalic acid is the compound responsible for the taste of sourwood leaves and > hence the name of the tree. (Based on "Common Forest Trees of North > Carolina" produced by North Carolina Department of Environmentand Natural > Resources) > > Sourwood is an attractive plant to bees and produces a quality honey. (I > think) > > > Based on the above, do hives that forage on a high percentage of sourwood > have higher resistance to varroa mites? > > Article 32340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:08:33 -0400 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> <75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023289715 209514 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32340 because mammals and insects are affected differently by some toxins. "Keith Hooker" wrote in message news:adkcsp$pam$2@paris.btinternet.com... > If it does not kill or incapacitate a bee or its brood, why should it harm a > human? Article 32341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8th day hive check - Advice, please? Date: 5 Jun 2002 09:36:15 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 110 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-040.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:472 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32341 Don said: >Here comes the rookie... Duck 'n cover! :) Chin up, you are not doing badly. Your observations and questions are apt, well-reasoned, and well-written These are VERY common concerns for new beekeepers! > ...Their el-cheapo smoker Never buy the cheapest tool. Bigger (smoker) is better. The wire bail is nice to have. The hanger hook on the wire bail is a real pleasure to have. > A few puffs from the smoker, and everybody was down > in the frames, and I was able to get to work with > only one or two bees buzzing around the area. See, you don't need to tape your gloves to your shirt. These are merely bees, not radioactive waste! :) > They seem to be using only the near-side frames so far. Not unusual, as bees work in a rough sphere, which gets larger as population grows. > Unlike last time, there's comb drawn all over the place. That's a good sign. > ...approximately 5 sides are covered in the "crazy-comb" > I described in one of my earlier messages. That's not so good. Clean it up NOW, before it gets out of hand, and push the frames together so the nubs on the sides of the vertical frame ends touch. Somehow, your 10 frames were simply not spaced correctly, and had too much space between the 5 frames where the bees are working. > WERE bridged together...) by comb that's drawn perpendicular > to the faces of the frames in three locations. That happens, sometimes even with correctly drawn comb. No big deal, just do some comb surgery, and enjoy a treat by eating the comb honey scraps. Destroy the evidence!!! :) > Should I do a preventative "rip out" now, while initial > construction is still going on? Yes - the mess will only get bigger if left alone. The only crazy comb that should be left in place is comb that contains eggs or brood. > maybe remove a couple of the frames that aren't being used yet, > and pile the chunks I tear out in the empty space so they can > be recycled? No! Your basic problem is "too much space" between frames, so don't create MORE empty space!!!! Get 10 frames in the hive, and get all the comb that is "off" the foundation out of there, except egg/brood comb, which you will remove after the brood hatches out. But get those frames together, and leave the "space" at the far edges, between the outermost frame and the wall of the hive body. > It'd be a shame for 'em to make all that wax, only to have to > start from scratch), in hopes that they'll establish a "proper" > type of comb when they rebuild, Yes, it would be a shame, but there are many who would react to this by starting them all over on new foundation, replacing all but the properly-drawn comb. I suggest a less drastic approach, since there is no reason why one cannot keep the mess under control, and avoid killing brood. > or should I just leave it go as it is? No, you MUST fix it, either now or later. Now is easier, trust me. >Another frame has one face that's about a 50/50 mix of "normal comb", >and what I'm already thinking of as "split-level comb" Break away the split-level stuff, leave the normal, let them draw out the foundation. If you want to recycle, you can try putting the broken-off comb on the landing board, but don not block too much of the entrance in doing this. > Some folks here have said it might be as much as 2 weeks before > a "new" queen starts laying, Correct. > The current batch of workers definitely has the often > described "really mellow" temperament Yet another reason to fix things now. During a nectar flow, bees are much easier to work with, and you have serious work to do. >Several (A whole helluva bunch on one frame) cells are full of what >looks to be mold - greyish-green, some of it looks like it COULD be >pollen-balls that went moldy, Hard to imagine that mold would appear so quickly, but the bees will clean up what they do not like. You need not worry about it. jim http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Jun 2002 17:16:33 GMT References: <83hL8.183321$GG6.15340968@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Message-ID: <20020605131633.13937.00000284@mb-df.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32342 >high degree of effectiveness , up to 99% and very user kind for the >beekeeper. Not in vapor form it isn't! Please read a MSDS sheet on Oxalic Acid before using. . Emergency Overview -------------------------- POISON! DANGER! MAY BE FATAL IF SWALLOWED. CORROSIVE. CAUSES SEVERE IRRITATION AND BURNS TO SKIN, EYES, AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. HARMFUL IF INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. MAY CAUSE KIDNEY DAMAGE. Article 32343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Quick Lines: 42 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:38:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023305919 67.227.219.251 (Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:38:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:38:39 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32343 I m planning on trying it this comming sunday.. I have a experiment al hive that all the bees seem to wantto stay in the western and not go down into the 2 deeps, I used match stix to give a ventilation to the top board but the bees are squeezing through the top... they don't even use the fron intrance yet, so I think Ill use the fume board and a wee bit of bee quick. Ill post my findings... How did you make a fume board? I paid 13.00 for mine... Brian "David Brookes" wrote in message news:adipkq$a4m$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > Just bought a bottle myself out of interest. Going to give it a try at the > weekend. > I've made up 5 fume boards but I'll take my porters along too just in case! > I'd be interested to hear how you get on. > > David > Perthshire > > "wuffman" wrote in message > news:oiaK8.1201$v06.1034@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? > > > > I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it > just > > clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he > > deeps... > > > > Brian > > > > > > > Article 32344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: 5 Jun 2002 16:18:50 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-632.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!easynews!cyclone.swbell.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32344 wuffman said: > Im planning on trying it this comming sunday.. > I have a experimental hive that all the bees seem > to want to stay in the western and not go down into > the 2 deeps... If they have brood in the western, are you sure you WANT to try and force them down into the deeps? I doubt that you want them to abandon brood. If the deeps are truly empty, why not try "reversing" the chambers, putting the western on the bottom board, and one of the deeps above? > I used match stix to give a ventilation to the top > board but the bees are squeezing through the top... > they don't even use the front entrance yet, Bees like upper entrances, moreso when that entrance is the closest one to where they have set up shop. > so I think Ill use the fume board and a wee bit of > bee quick. I'll post my findings... Please do not use our product to force a colony away from brood. The primary purpose of Fischer's Bee-Quick is in honey harvesting. >How did you make a fume board? I paid 13.00 for mine... Check out http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/use.html where both fume boards and "breeze boards" are discussed. > >Brian > > > > >"David Brookes" wrote in message >news:adipkq$a4m$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... >> Just bought a bottle myself out of interest. Going to give it a try at the >> weekend. >> I've made up 5 fume boards but I'll take my porters along too just in >case! >> I'd be interested to hear how you get on. >> >> David >> Perthshire >> >> "wuffman" wrote in message >> news:oiaK8.1201$v06.1034@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... >> > Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? >> > >> > I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it >> just >> > clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he >> > deeps... >> > >> > Brian >> > >> > >> >> >> > > Article 32345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <83hL8.183321$GG6.15340968@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:22:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.128.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1023330148 12.81.128.113 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:22:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:22:28 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32345 What, no hyperlink!? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Beeguy" wrote in message news:83hL8.183321$GG6.15340968@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > Oxalic Acid is the best Varroa Mites killer. > Essential advantages over the actual usually fighting methods are: > no delays in the honey, beeswax and propolis > very good bee compatibility > no early ageing of the bees (important to population of the bees in spring) > outside any time of honey-collection usable (admittance still outstanding) > high degree of effectiveness , up to 99% and very user kind for the > beekeeper. > > Look at the Internet; Varroa mite control or Oxalic Acid Vaporizer. There > are many pages how to tread the bees with Oxalic Acid. > Oxalic Acid is in many plants and we eat them every day. > I give you a sample: > Vegetable/Oxalic acid (g/100 g) --- Amaranth/1.09 - Asparagus/.13 --- Beans, > snap/.36 --- Beet leaves/.61--- Broccoli/.19 --- Brussels sprouts/.36 --- > Cabbage/.10 --- Carrot/.50 --- Cassava/1.26 --- Cauliflower/.15 --- > Celery/.19 --- Chicory/.21 --- Chives/1.48 --- Collards/.45 --- > Coriander/.01 --- Corn, sweet/.01 --- Cucumbers/.02 --- Eggplant/.19 --- > Endive/.11 --- Garlic/.36 --- Kale/.02 --- Lettuce/.33 --- Okra/.05 --- > Onion/.05 --- Parsley/1.70 --- Parsnip/.04 --- Pea/.05 --- Pepper/.04 --- > Potato/.05 --- Purslane/1.31 --- Radish/.48 --- Rutabaga/.03 --- > Spinach/.97 --- Squash/.02 --- Sweet potato/.24 --- Tomato/.05 --- > Turnip/.21 -- > Turnip greens/.05. > > Manfred > Article 32346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Deville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for good books on honey plants Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:48:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.209.72.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1023331688 67.209.72.122 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:48:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:48:08 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32346 Dose anyone know of any good books on honey plants. Will appreciate all help. Article 32347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Bee Quick Lines: 98 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 06:12:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023343958 67.227.219.185 (Wed, 05 Jun 2002 23:12:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 23:12:38 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32347 Then how do I get them out of the Westerhn and into the body so Ican use the westerns for my honey harves? the onlything I can think of is to pull some of the deep frames out of the body and replace them with the western frames that have brood in them... and watch till they hatch and replace those western frames as soon as they are empty.... or do you think this will be too much distubing the coloney...or should I just leave well enough alone for this season... I still need to see if there is a queen yet.... this western came off a hive that a swarm moved in before I was ready to start bee keeping.... there may not be any brood in there just a small group of workers.... but they keep flying out and comming back all day long... I put the entrance feeder on top of the hive becasue they didn't touch it when it was at the entrance but now they are empting a quart a day... I woried thathey are just using it and not foraging cause it empties on nice days as well as no fly days... Brian wrote in message news:adm68q0pm2@drn.newsguy.com... > wuffman said: > > > Im planning on trying it this comming sunday.. > > I have a experimental hive that all the bees seem > > to want to stay in the western and not go down into > > the 2 deeps... > > If they have brood in the western, are you sure you WANT > to try and force them down into the deeps? I doubt that > you want them to abandon brood. > > If the deeps are truly empty, why not try "reversing" > the chambers, putting the western on the bottom board, > and one of the deeps above? > > > I used match stix to give a ventilation to the top > > board but the bees are squeezing through the top... > > they don't even use the front entrance yet, > > Bees like upper entrances, moreso when that entrance > is the closest one to where they have set up shop. > > > so I think Ill use the fume board and a wee bit of > > bee quick. I'll post my findings... > > Please do not use our product to force a colony away > from brood. The primary purpose of Fischer's Bee-Quick > is in honey harvesting. > > >How did you make a fume board? I paid 13.00 for mine... > > Check out http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/use.html > where both fume boards and "breeze boards" are discussed. > > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > > >"David Brookes" wrote in message > >news:adipkq$a4m$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > >> Just bought a bottle myself out of interest. Going to give it a try at the > >> weekend. > >> I've made up 5 fume boards but I'll take my porters along too just in > >case! > >> I'd be interested to hear how you get on. > >> > >> David > >> Perthshire > >> > >> "wuffman" wrote in message > >> news:oiaK8.1201$v06.1034@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > >> > Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? > >> > > >> > I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it > >> just > >> > clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he > >> > deeps... > >> > > >> > Brian > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Article 32348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Technology Management Ltd Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> <75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com> Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-246-248.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1023346024 27971 217.34.246.248 (6 Jun 2002 06:47:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:47:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!newsfeed.icl.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32348 This is very true, even different insects are affected differently by a toxin - Bumble bees and rhododendrons is a classic bee example. The body mass difference and the volume of a toxin needed to be toxic to an insect are vastly different to that needed to affect any human. Keith "KOland" wrote in message news:adl9hj$6cja$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > because mammals and insects are affected differently by some toxins. > "Keith Hooker" wrote in message > news:adkcsp$pam$2@paris.btinternet.com... > > > If it does not kill or incapacitate a bee or its brood, why should it harm > a human? Article 32349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jun 2002 10:20:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Looking for good books on honey plants Message-ID: <20020606062027.05038.00000212@mb-cq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.visi.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32349 Honey Plants of North America John H. Lovell 1926 This excellent book was reprinted by Root Publishing in 1999 It is worth the search if you can find a copy. I got mine at Wicwas Press Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Article 32350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020602183806.28230.00001459@mb-mh.aol.com> Subject: Re: Foundation and extra entrances Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:15:29 -0700 Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.222 Message-ID: <3cff4f2b_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023364907 209.23.10.222 (6 Jun 2002 07:01:47 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32350 Hi, Wired foundation. You may wish to investgate the use of 4.9mm foundation for mite control. Info can be found at beesource.com. Hit point of veiw, then back to biological beekeeping. Upper entrances can be put on ones inner cover by making a 1/2 to 3/4 inch notch in the inner cover. Should look the same as entrance reducer hole. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plastic 4.9mm foundation- trials Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:20:18 -0700 Lines: 131 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.222 Message-ID: <3cff504d_2@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023365197 209.23.10.222 (6 Jun 2002 07:06:37 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32351 Hi to all, This is to let you know that advanced samples of Plastic 4.9mm foundation have been now sent to those concerned for field trials. Climates chosen for this are vast to see if the foundation will be accepted by honeybees prior to sales starting. This is a very straight forward testing. Areas choosen where: 1) Alaska, 2) Eugene, Oregon, 3) Alberta, Canada, 4) Mountains near Casper, Wyoming 5) Great Lakes area near Chicago, 6) Prarie plains of Illinois, 6) Sonoran Desert of S. Arizona, 7) Orlando, Fla., 8) Great Britian- UK, 9) Sweden So everyone knows what is going on. Here is a copy of the email sent to participants. You will be advised as information is forthcoming. Those commercial/hobbysts participating are doing this for industry, along with the overseas manufacturer, and Dadants. ------------------------ Hi all This is to let you know that all on this email have been sent advanced first run samples of Plastic 4.9mm Top tolerance foundation for looking at and trials if possible. Questions will need answering before it can be sold to industry. The answers you find and questions you have will be forwarded to both Jerry Hayes at Dadant and the manufacturing company overseas for review. Also as I have told a few of you already, do not be afraid to comment on various discussion groups how things are progressing, especially if favorable. This is a very straight forward testing prior to sales and inclusion into the Dadant 2003 Catalog for industry to be sold opposite their already now selling excellent 4.9mm wax foundation. Questions that need answering are: 1. Will the bees draw it out as is? If not why not? Already Jerry Hayes has inquired about the release coating used and special plastic used in it's manufacture. We need to know ahead of time there is no threat to the bees. So hence, will the bees draw out the plastic foundation. 2. Once drawn out then we need to know will the queens lay in the foundation? 3. Once queens are laying in the foundation will the eggs hatch? 4. Once hatching will the pupae develop normally? 5. Will the bees also store pollen and honey stores in foundation being drawn? 6. Will the bees also with greater division of labor and plastic 4.9 as a help be able to keep small hive beetles under control? Please note that this specific question is being placed into the hands of Michael Housel for research down in Florida in Orlando where small hive beetles are at their worst. Please note that varroa/trachael mites and secondary diseases were not mentioned above as that is already considered proven with prior 4.9mm wax foundation already in industry hands. We are just rying to find out whether the bees will draw the Plastic as designed and use it properly within a beehive prior to sale to industry. Any problems need to be noted and eliminated now. If you need to wash the sheets to get them to draw it note this fact! It could be the release agent or the type plastic used! If you need to coat with syrup or honey or light wax to get them to draw it note this also. but then this is already normal practice for those beekeepers purchasing plain Plastic uncoated sheets right now with various types on the market. Once the Dadants and the overseas manufacturers know that the bees will accept the Plastic 4.9mm foundation then orders can be taken by Dadant for sales. Hopefully with time left for limited sales still this active year. Regards, Dee A. Lusby -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:47:45 -0400 Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023371267 807680 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32352 Make sure the queen is in the deep, put a queen excluder between the deep and the western. Wait until the brood hatches out before taking off to harvest. If there is no honey yet (as it seems from the rest of your post), just take off the western (place on the upturned top cover) and examine each frame. When you find the queen, transfer her to the deep by hand (remember, she can on the western body sides also.Then put in the queen excluder and replace the western. Of course, if you have been feeding and there is sealed honey in the western, it won't be real honey ..You'll have to persuade them to empty out that super. One easy way - scratch open all the honey cells and place the western on the bottom board, then the queen exluder, then the deeps. They should move any stores up and after the brood hatches you can move the super back to the top of the stack. "wuffman" wrote in message news:q3DL8.111$AK3.2@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Then how do I get them out of the Westerhn and into the body so Ican use > the westerns for my honey harves? > > > the onlything I can think of is to pull some of the deep frames out of the > body and replace them with the western frames that have brood in them... and > watch till they hatch and replace those western frames as soon as they are > empty.... or do you think this will be too much distubing the coloney...or > should I just leave well enough alone for this season... I still need to see > if there is a queen yet.... > this western came off a hive that a swarm moved in before I was ready to > start bee keeping.... there may not be any brood in there just a small > group of workers.... but they keep flying out and comming back all day > long... I put the entrance feeder on top of the hive becasue they didn't > touch it when it was at the entrance but now they are empting a quart a > day... I woried thathey are just using it and not foraging cause it empties > on nice days as well as no fly days... Article 32353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:44:38 -0700 Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.70 Message-ID: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023381488 209.23.5.70 (6 Jun 2002 11:38:08 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32353 Hi Charlie, I make foundation by hand. By dipping, milling, and cutting to size using my own wax. The same process explained at beesource.com. One gets about 7 -8 sheets to the pound.I can control the thickness by the temp. It is expensive to set up for making ones own foundation. But it lasts a lifetime with proper care. I'm currently ridding of my plastic foundation going back to good old wax. If one has 30+ colonies it would pay to make ones own foundation. My mill is 4.9 cell sizing and most couldn't just pop the foundation in their hives with good results. The bees would need to be worked down first through regression. See back to biological beekeeping article by the Lusby's at beesource.com. If anyone would like to know how to render larger lots of brood combs I'd be happy to explain (10 deep boxes a day)? Its messy! How much wax do you have? (its history too, what chemicals? as my wax is chemical free as can be) > There's always buy 'new' foundation and make brown candles with > your surplus, but the price of new foundation is pretty high. Chop up your wax and run through solar wax melter about 5 times and you will have quite light wax for candles or comb honey foundation. If you have 50 pounds of wax at seven sheets per pound = 350 sheets of foundation @ $1.00 per sheet = $350 bucks. Can you get 350 dollars for 50 pounds of wax (any color)? Wax foundation ties the beekeeper to Dadant and such companies. Make your own and now your free. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beekeeping questions Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:56:16 -0700 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.70 Message-ID: <3cff90fc_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023381756 209.23.5.70 (6 Jun 2002 11:42:36 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32354 Hi, I manage carnies using unlimited broodnest management (3 deep). So Add more brooding room. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com> <3CEAFE83.34F3ADE8@thesitefights.com> Subject: Re: 8 Frame bodies? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:50:16 -0700 Lines: 53 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C20D58.B4F2F660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.70 Message-ID: <3cff8ff6_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023381494 209.23.5.70 (6 Jun 2002 11:38:14 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32355 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C20D58.B4F2F660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I live across the country from you, in Northern NY. =20 reply: Where in N. NY do you live? Clay Crown Point, NY ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C20D58.B4F2F660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I live across the country from you, in = Northern=20 NY. 
 
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Where in N. NY do you = live?
 
Clay
 
Crown Point, NY
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C20D58.B4F2F660-- -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: be-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: 6 Jun 2002 11:33:33 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-748.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32356 wuffman said: > Then how do I get them out of the Western and into the body > so I can use the westerns for my honey harvest? The short answer, at least for now is "You Don't". Since the bees have set up shop in the western, that's where the brood is. Don't fight it. Admit that the western is a brood chamber. This is a new swarm, and is unlikely to "make a crop" for you this spring. Keep feeding them, let them drawn comb and build up a decent population. Worry about a crop later. Maybe fall, maybe next spring. Survival of the colony comes first. > the only thing I can think of is to pull some of the deep > frames out of the body and replace them with the western > frames that have brood in them... and watch till they hatch > and replace those western frames as soon as they are > empty.... This would make a very big mess. Think of all the empty space below a western frame in a deep hive body. DON'T DO IT!!! > this western came off a hive that a swarm moved in before I > was ready to start bee keeping.... Lucky you! A free swarm is a great way to start beekeeping! I'd suggest: a) Removing one of the deeps with nothing but undrawn foundation. Set it aside for a future colony or future expansion. b) Put the western under discussion on the bottom board, and put the other deep on top. c) Leave things alone for now, and let them draw out the comb in those two brood chambers. d) Once they have drawn comb, then you can consider adding a queen excluder, and on top of that, another western. Anything above the queen excluder will be harvestable, for sure. jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for good books on honey plants Date: 6 Jun 2002 11:39:38 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-870.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32357 John said: >Does anyone know of any good books on honey plants. > Will appreciate all help. The best things in life are free, and so is this book: Insect Pollination Of Cultivated Crop Plants by S.E. McGregor, USDA Originally published 1976 - updated Continously. http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/book/index.html jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8th day hive check - Advice, please? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 111 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:22:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023398575 209.204.149.229 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:22:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:22:55 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:481 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32358 In article , bee-quick@bee-quick.com wrote: > Don said: > > >Here comes the rookie... Duck 'n cover! :) > > Chin up, you are not doing badly. Your observations > and questions are apt, well-reasoned, and well-written > These are VERY common concerns for new beekeepers! > > > ...Their el-cheapo smoker > > Never buy the cheapest tool. Bigger (smoker) is better. > The wire bail is nice to have. The hanger hook on the > wire bail is a real pleasure to have. On my budget, "cheapest" is the only thing possible, at least at the start. I can (and often do) "homebrew" a lot of stuff, but with the materials and gear I've got handy right now, a smoker is a bit beyond my capability, otherwise, I'd have almost certainly gone that route. > > A few puffs from the smoker, and everybody was down > > in the frames, and I was able to get to work with > > only one or two bees buzzing around the area. > > See, you don't need to tape your gloves to your shirt. > These are merely bees, not radioactive waste! :) Well, with the fact that the gloves I'm using are pigskin horse-driving gloves, with basically nothing for a gauntlet to them... Bewteen the cuffs of the gloves "sagging", and the sleeves of the shirt riding up, if I don't tape things together, I might just a well go out there with no gloves at all, and half-length sleeves, y'know? So I do what I'm good at: I make do with what's at hand :) > > They seem to be using only the near-side frames so far. > > Not unusual, as bees work in a rough sphere, which gets > larger as population grows. > > > Unlike last time, there's comb drawn all over the place. > > That's a good sign. > > > ...approximately 5 sides are covered in the "crazy-comb" > > I described in one of my earlier messages. > > That's not so good. Clean it up NOW, before it gets out > of hand, and push the frames together so the nubs on the > sides of the vertical frame ends touch. Somehow, your > 10 frames were simply not spaced correctly, and had too > much space between the 5 frames where the bees are working. I'm thinking that at least one may be warped/twisted. I've also had to scrape "gunk" off the tabs to get a better fit - Now that I've done that, they seem to be sitting together a bit better than they were. > That happens, sometimes even with correctly drawn comb. > No big deal, just do some comb surgery, and enjoy a treat > by eating the comb honey scraps. Destroy the evidence!!! :) Well, I'm not so sure I'd be particularly impressed by this "treat"... I suspect that it's mostly just thickened sugar-water so far. > > Should I do a preventative "rip out" now, while initial > > construction is still going on? > > Yes - the mess will only get bigger if left alone. The only > crazy comb that should be left in place is comb that contains > eggs or brood. > >Another frame has one face that's about a 50/50 mix of "normal comb", > >and what I'm already thinking of as "split-level comb" > > Break away the split-level stuff, leave the normal, let them draw > out the foundation. If you want to recycle, you can try putting > the broken-off comb on the landing board, but don not block too > much of the entrance in doing this. That's the right (looking from the front of the hive) face of frame number 5 - the one that's confirmed chock-fulla-brood anywhere there's comb to be seen. Guess I get to wait for this batch to mature, and hope that the queen doesn't sneak in and start "recycling" cells before I can get the mess cleaned up between this batch and the next. > > The current batch of workers definitely has the often > > described "really mellow" temperament > > Yet another reason to fix things now. During a nectar flow, > bees are much easier to work with, and you have serious work > to do. Poor little bees... All that effort for nothing. Good thing they're classic workaholics, I guess! :) > >Several (A whole helluva bunch on one frame) cells are full of what > >looks to be mold - greyish-green, some of it looks like it COULD be > >pollen-balls that went moldy, > > Hard to imagine that mold would appear so quickly, but the bees > will clean up what they do not like. You need not worry about it. That's kinda what I was thinking, but it's nice to have confirmation. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: green rain.... Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:08:38 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32359 Here in central mass we just had an episode of green rain. Well, the rain wasn't green, but there was so much pollen on every surface that it left green streaks all over the streets and green powder coatings where puddles evaporated. The bees were coming back loaded with this green stuff (I'll be polite and not mention the color). It's obviosly tree pollen, nothing else could produce so much. Does anyone know what kind of pollen it would be and what if any effect it could have on honey? Aside from pines/connifers, the most common tree around here is maple, followed by birch. Just curious, thanks Article 32360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:38:06 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3D000E7D.2080851E@mindspring.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.88.a7.9e Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 7 Jun 2002 01:36:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32360 I would vote for pine. Every year on Cape Cod such green pollen was common when the pines were blooming )if that term would fit a conifer) Keith me wrote: > Here in central mass we just had an episode of green rain. Well, the rain > wasn't green, but there was so much pollen on every surface that it left > green streaks all over the streets and green powder coatings where puddles > evaporated. The bees were coming back loaded with this green stuff (I'll be > polite and not mention the color). It's obviosly tree pollen, nothing else > could produce so much. > > Does anyone know what kind of pollen it would be and what if any effect it > could have on honey? Aside from pines/connifers, the most common tree > around here is maple, followed by birch. > > Just curious, > > thanks Article 32361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:22:11 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0b.7a.5a X-Server-Date: 7 Jun 2002 02:22:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32361 I'm glad it's raining where you are. We in North Carolina haven't had a decent rain in months...oh, wait...or is that years? Could be pine, but maples have a lot of pollen. I don't know your climate that well...maples bloom here in February but for you it's probably much later since your further north. It shouldn't have much of an effect on your honey production unless your bees are instinctively pollen hoarders. Some hives store lots of pollen while others very little--luck of the drawl I guess; that's genetics for you. I've had bees to fill supers almost entirely with pollen but it's rare. Christopher Petree Article 32362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D001FEF.6AECF4FC@not.a.real.address.mil> From: Tsu Doh Nimh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 02:50:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32362 me wrote: > > Here in central mass we just had an episode of green rain. Well, the rain > wasn't green, but there was so much pollen on every surface that it left > green streaks all over the streets and green powder coatings where puddles > evaporated. The bees were coming back loaded with this green stuff (I'll be > polite and not mention the color). It's obviosly tree pollen, nothing else > could produce so much. > > Does anyone know what kind of pollen it would be and what if any effect it > could have on honey? Aside from pines/connifers, the most common tree > around here is maple, followed by birch. > > Just curious, > > thanks According to www.pollen.com, the predominate pollen in your area right now is Oak, Grass and Birch. Pollen.com is kind of a neat site... Tsu Article 32363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Quick Lines: 56 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <1ZVL8.1641$AK3.218@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 03:42:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.212.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023421373 67.227.212.15 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 20:42:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 20:42:53 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32363 Well I just tried it out and to be honest Im not all that impressed.... 1 major proble the spout lid that came with it is the wrong size so I had to make a semi usable spout from another bottle. i used a small amout and saw no results, it was nice and bright outside and after about 5 mins Id say less than 1/4 of the bees moved out. so I squirted a lot more on it the second time moved the liguid level down past the sholder of the bottle and after 5 mins ( I timed it) Only about 1/2 to 3/4 of the bees vacated the uper western. sao I pulled the western off and set it cross ways on the top board and put the fume board on top of it to see if it would get the rest to vacate. The 2nd western of 2 still on the have was packed out with bees, I used a smoker this time to drive them down into the hive it is alot faster (and cheaper) almost all the frames in the lower western are full of honey but very few were cappedalso I saw on 3 iner frames alot ( 10 -15)of extendedcells that are caped that are bumpy not flat across the top of the cels like the some of the others. Also some of the cells are not full of honey but some kind of sticky stuff.. I took a toothpick and smaples some of the honey.. it is very strong and the other stuff I could not get any out to see what it was without distroying cells. I put the frame on top of the hive later after the clan all got a few toothpics of honey... I figure the bees will pull all the honey out and put it back into the hive....Ill just stick that frame with the drawn comb in the other western.... Brian "David Brookes" wrote in message news:adipkq$a4m$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > Just bought a bottle myself out of interest. Going to give it a try at the > weekend. > I've made up 5 fume boards but I'll take my porters along too just in case! > I'd be interested to hear how you get on. > > David > Perthshire > > "wuffman" wrote in message > news:oiaK8.1201$v06.1034@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? > > > > I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it > just > > clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he > > deeps... > > > > Brian > > > > > > > Article 32364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: crle@sovereign.net (CE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ants, Bees and Boric Acid Date: 6 Jun 2002 20:31:25 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.52.93.94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023420686 19511 127.0.0.1 (7 Jun 2002 03:31:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2002 03:31:26 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32364 A colony of large black carpenter ants has decided to make its home between the inner cover and outer cover of my hive. Much to my dismay there are many bee body parts that the ants seem to be eating, not sure if these are deceased bees or ones that the ants are hunting. When I opened the hive this morning there were many ant eggs scattered all over the inner cover. They seem to be making the bees extremely agitated. My question is simple. Does Boric acid effect bees negatively? I am wondering if I could sprinkle this on the inner cover. It is very effective on ants! Regards, Charles Article 32365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:02:47 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3D001FEF.6AECF4FC@not.a.real.address.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023422569 1239742 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32365 Only problem is that it is "average" dates for sources. In TN, pollen allergies started a month early (maple in Feb), pine pollen was a month late (May instead of April) and Grass pollen hasn't even stated (also month late). "Tsu Doh Nimh" wrote > According to www.pollen.com, the predominate pollen in your area right > now is Oak, Grass and Birch. > > Pollen.com is kind of a neat site... Article 32366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants, Bees and Boric Acid Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 31 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 04:02:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023422541 209.204.149.228 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:02:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:02:21 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32366 In article , crle@sovereign.net (CE) wrote: > A colony of large black carpenter ants has decided to make its home > between the inner cover and outer cover of my hive. Much to my dismay > there are many bee body parts that the ants seem to be eating, not > sure if these are deceased bees or ones that the ants are hunting. > When I opened the hive this morning there were many ant eggs scattered > all over the inner cover. They seem to be making the bees extremely > agitated. > > My question is simple. Does Boric acid effect bees negatively? I am > wondering if I could sprinkle this on the inner cover. It is very > effective on ants! It'll be just as effective on bees. Boric acid acts primarily as an abrasive, effectively "sanding holes" in the chitin that makes up the skin of bugs, thereby causing them to dehydrate/bleed to death. Seems to me that it would be a WHOLE LOT simpler, and just as effective as fancy insecticide tricks, to just remove the inner and outer covers, being as careful as possible not to spill ants/eggs down into the hive, tote them a ways from the hive, and knock the ants/eggs off of them. THEN pour the boric acid over them if you really feel a need to do something fatal to them. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Ants, Bees and Boric Acid Lines: 25 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 05:31:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.212.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023427861 67.227.212.166 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:31:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:31:01 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32367 I have a simmular problem with sugar ants...they are all over the outside of the hive and on the instide of the hive too. I have not seen any on the frames yet but Im sure they are raiding the honey cells... Brian "CE" wrote in message news:ec892669.0206061931.62ddd30b@posting.google.com... > A colony of large black carpenter ants has decided to make its home > between the inner cover and outer cover of my hive. Much to my dismay > there are many bee body parts that the ants seem to be eating, not > sure if these are deceased bees or ones that the ants are hunting. > When I opened the hive this morning there were many ant eggs scattered > all over the inner cover. They seem to be making the bees extremely > agitated. > > My question is simple. Does Boric acid effect bees negatively? I am > wondering if I could sprinkle this on the inner cover. It is very > effective on ants! > > Regards, > Charles > Article 32368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: 7 Jun 2002 02:19:40 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <1ZVL8.1641$AK3.218@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-819.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32368 wuffman said: > Well I just tried it out and to be honest > Im not all that impressed.... You were warned that it would be difficult to drive bees away from brood. Since you clearly have brood in the westerns, any attempt to drive the bees away will be frustrating, and at best, temporary. > 1 major proble the spout lid that came with it is > the wrong size Cases are shipped to the dealer with spout tops that fit. Please send a private e-mail with the name of the dealer so we can check this out and find out what the foul-up was. Did you get an instruction sheet? > I pulled the western off and set it cross ways on the top > board and put the fume board on top of it to see if it > would get the rest to vacate. This was an error - opening the bottom of the super to the air allowed the vapors to escape, and allowed fresh air in. You want to keep the supers aligned with the supers below. > I saw on 3 iner frames alot (10 -15)of extended cells that > are caped that are bumpy not flat across the top of the > cels like the some of the others. You appear to be describing drone brood. Again, bees are VERY reluctant to abandon brood. While you can get them to move away, they will come right back. Regardless, if you are not satisfied for ANY reason, you get your money back. Bee-Quick is unique in having the words "Full Refund If Not Satisfied" right on the label. We mean it. Contact your dealer. jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Jun 2002 13:33:03 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Ants, Bees and Boric Acid Message-ID: <20020607093303.07419.00000090@mb-fz.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32369 Take the covers off, dump the ants and either leave the telescope off for a couple days or put something between the covers to allow the bees to patrol it. Leaving the telescope cover off for a few days works for me I just put a stone on the hole. Article 32370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Jun 2002 17:03:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Mason Jars Message-ID: <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32370 I checked a few local Wally-Marts for "Golden Harvest" type mason jars and there's none to be found. Anybody see them or are they history? Harvesting this weekend, light spring honey Article 32371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D00B995.336496C@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Bees References: <6262-3CFD4ED9-792@storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 18:06:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1023473214 67.251.117.174 (Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:06:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:06:54 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32371 alh-n-tn wrote: > > Hello, > > Recently I saw a program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation on > pollination and the different kinds of bees farmers use to pollinate > their crops. There were three: honey bees, bumblebees, and one I had > never heard of, the mason bee. I was really intrigued by the mason bee. > Does anyone in this group have any experience with the mason bee? If > so, would you please share you knowledge of this fascinating bee. > > Many thanks. > > Take Care. > > alh-n-tn > (Lester, the East Tennessee Dude) Lester, Here are two good links describing the mason bee and how to build boxes for the females to lay their eggs. I built about 20 of them and have hung them in various places (plus I've given some away to friends). The ones on my lower deck are always full. I put galvanized tin on mine and turned the backside up and bored two holes in them so that I could more easily mount them to a post or shed and give a little better protection from the rain. http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/inse006/inse006.htm http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Other/orn_t109/not109.html Good luck. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1ZVL8.1641$AK3.218@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Bee Quick Lines: 69 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <%u8M8.952$Pv2.695@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 20:14:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023480891 67.227.219.60 (Fri, 07 Jun 2002 13:14:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 13:14:51 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32372 Ok 1 I did take you advise and did not use it on the hive with the brood in the western.. I did flip the western and the hive bdy around like you sgested. I used the bee quick on the 2nd hive... I bought it at Glory Bee in Eugene Oregon and No there was no instruction sheet with it...they told me the instructions were on the lable.....go figure.... I am probably not going to do bussiness witht hem anymore cause the messed up myorer anyway... shorted me one sidebar and the one top bar was not properly cut... they did make good and sent me replacements but I asked for those prior to trying the Bee-Quick... Brian Martin 4092 State street Salem Oregon 97301 wrote in message news:adptrc0hek@drn.newsguy.com... > wuffman said: > > > Well I just tried it out and to be honest > > Im not all that impressed.... > > You were warned that it would be difficult to > drive bees away from brood. Since you clearly > have brood in the westerns, any attempt to drive > the bees away will be frustrating, and at best, > temporary. > > > 1 major proble the spout lid that came with it is > > the wrong size > > Cases are shipped to the dealer with spout tops that > fit. Please send a private e-mail with the name of > the dealer so we can check this out and find out what > the foul-up was. Did you get an instruction sheet? > > > I pulled the western off and set it cross ways on the top > > board and put the fume board on top of it to see if it > > would get the rest to vacate. > > This was an error - opening the bottom of the super to the > air allowed the vapors to escape, and allowed fresh air in. > You want to keep the supers aligned with the supers below. > > > I saw on 3 iner frames alot (10 -15)of extended cells that > > are caped that are bumpy not flat across the top of the > > cels like the some of the others. > > You appear to be describing drone brood. > Again, bees are VERY reluctant to abandon brood. > While you can get them to move away, they will come > right back. > > Regardless, if you are not satisfied for ANY reason, > you get your money back. Bee-Quick is unique in having > the words "Full Refund If Not Satisfied" right on the > label. We mean it. Contact your dealer. > > jim > bee-quick@bee-quick.com > http://www.bee-quick.com > > Article 32373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: gamuddawg@aol.com (GAmuddawg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Jun 2002 20:38:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Beeswax Processing Message-ID: <20020607163852.00345.00000298@mb-mu.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32373 What is the best method for processing and filtering my beeswax? I want to make candles later. Article 32374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: 8 Jun 2002 00:10:48 GMT Lines: 125 Message-ID: References: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.78 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023495048 1884766 216.167.143.78 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.78!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32374 "huestis'" wrote in news:3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com: > Hi Charlie, > I make foundation by hand. By dipping, milling, and cutting to size > using my own wax. These are my intentions now the major suppliers are 'discouraging' the use of wax foundation, and pay 'nothing' for rendered wax, and in some cases, will only take 'cappings' wax. They will 'offer' $1.25 a pound, a derisory sum for one's labor. >The same process explained at beesource.com. I've copied this and have read it and printed up a little 'manual' for quick reference on the job; however, it looks like one of those skills requiring an apprenticeship..so can I come to Tucson for a lesson? >One gets about 7 -8 sheets to the pound.I can control the thickness by > the temp. It is expensive to set up for making ones own foundation. > But it lasts a lifetime with proper care. This is what I want to do..be independent and 'invisible' to homeland security. >I'm currently ridding of my plastic foundation going back to good old >wax. This can only be the right choice..there's so much plastic now polluting the environment. Much of this pollution is in the form of estrogen mimicking substances. 'They' don't know the long term consequence of this pollution, (that goes for most all pollution, save 'smoking' which is now considered a 'long term' hazard to one's health) This aberration is not confined to just the human population, but animals in the environment too. These 'substances' are now 'worldwide'. While being measured only in P (parts) P (per) B (billion) their effect is very powerful. That cheapo APS plastic they use for frames and foundation is so volatile, you cannot even clean it in hot water. This might be a good idea from the point of making money, but it's that attitude that's killing everything as it is, so I won't be a part of the problem. >If one has 30+ colonies it would pay to make ones own foundation. I used to have more but the mites have reduced them down whereas all my 'old' bees are now gone, but I have a new strain I call the AHB variant, that is doing very well indeed. They were a 'gift' in a way, three years ago, out of the blue, being the scientific explanation. (I've said some on these bees in other post, so I won't cover their properties here) and anyway, I think one should make their own foundation no matter how many hives one has. >My mill is 4.9 cell sizing Yes.. A Tom's industries model I believe..always wanted one of those, but was not so motivated until recent revelations. > and most couldn't just pop the foundation in their hives with >good > results. The bees would need to be worked down first through > regression. This sounds tricky. >See back to biological beekeeping article by the Lusby's >at beesource.com. I've read it, and have been interested in this idea since 1996. (we talked about it at the honey producers convention at Corpus Christi, Texas) > If anyone would like to know how to render larger lots of brood combs > I'd be happy to explain (10 deep boxes a day)? Its messy! fire away. > How much wax do you have? (its history too, what chemicals? as my wax > is chemical free as can be) I have 60 pounds just now, and I'm fanatical about not using chemicals, in fact it may be said by some that this is why I have less bees now than before, but this is my stand. The strongest thing I will use around here is Thymol tincture in feeding syrup, (anti fermentation, and mite annoyance) This is another 'beef' I had about sending the large suppliers my carefully tended wax..I used to be naive, and actually thought they 'converted 'your' wax into the foundation you got back. ho..ho. >> There's always buy 'new' foundation and make brown candles with >> your surplus, but the price of new foundation is pretty high. exactly..I wouldn't buy 'foundation' to make candles..I don't know who started that dumb idea..harvard business school grads I guess. If I made candles out of beeswax, I would dip them. > Chop up your wax and run through solar wax melter about 5 times and > you will have quite light wax for candles or comb honey foundation. Thanks for the tip. > If you have 50 pounds of wax at seven sheets per pound = 350 sheets of > foundation @ $1.00 per sheet = $350 bucks. Can you get 350 dollars > for 50 pounds of wax (any color)? Wax foundation ties the beekeeper to > Dadant and such companies. So I noticed. >Make your own and now your free. love that word 'free' the opposite of 'slave' > Clay > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- 80K newsgroups think of that. C.K. Article 32375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Jun 2002 01:16:05 GMT References: <20020607163852.00345.00000298@mb-mu.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Message-ID: <20020607211605.15596.00000151@mb-cq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsengine.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32375 Melt the beeswax in a double boiler then filter through sweat shirt material (fuzzy side up). You will get the cleanest wax possible. Sweatshirt material works much better than cheesecloth or pantyhose and filters out the really fine junk. > >What is the best method for processing and filtering my beeswax? I want to >make candles later. > > > > > Article 32376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 22:17:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 34 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32376 We've had a very good spring rain-wise, although it has been very cool. I haven't even bothered to water plants (except new plantings). Every time I stick my finger in dirt, it's moist. Still, we are short in terms of water levels. We had a very dry winter, and all of the basins are low. It should be an interesting summer....... Hopefully it will just effect people, but they have a way of always being first when it comes to resources. The bees seem very happy though at the moment, lots of full pollen sacks, no stings, very gentle. "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:adp5cm$koc$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net... > I'm glad it's raining where you are. We in North Carolina haven't had a > decent rain in months...oh, wait...or is that years? > > Could be pine, but maples have a lot of pollen. I don't know your climate > that well...maples bloom here in February but for you it's probably much > later since your further north. > > It shouldn't have much of an effect on your honey production unless your > bees are instinctively pollen hoarders. Some hives store lots of pollen > while others very little--luck of the drawl I guess; that's genetics for > you. I've had bees to fill supers almost entirely with pollen but it's rare. > > Christopher Petree > > Article 32377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com> Subject: Re: Mason Jars Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1NeM8.52190$Ir1.3092429@twister.southeast.rr.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 03:23:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1023506621 24.31.194.116 (Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:23:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:23:41 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32377 "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com... > I checked a few local Wally-Marts for "Golden Harvest" type mason jars and > there's none to be found. Anybody see them or are they history? > Harvesting this weekend, light spring honey Big Lots and Dollar General have them here in SC, though the price has jumped a lot in the last two years. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:08:50 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.e2.f4.f9 X-Server-Date: 8 Jun 2002 04:08:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32378 Our major honeyflow is over for the year except for those who take bees to the mountains for sourwood. I have been taking supers off this week and I was surprised at the amount of honey produced given the situation that we are in: drought. I guess when it did rain, it rained at the right times. I try not to complain too much, but I can't remember there ever being a time when it was this dry. We are almost 18 inches below normal which means it would have to rain for a solid month in order for our area to get caught up. Everything has suffered to some degree, luckily everything is relatively green. Pray for rain...I think the whole country needs it. Christopher Petree Article 32379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: 7 Jun 2002 22:44:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <993fd181.0206072144.4ee7e43@posting.google.com> References: <1ZVL8.1641$AK3.218@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <%u8M8.952$Pv2.695@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023515074 28866 127.0.0.1 (8 Jun 2002 05:44:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2002 05:44:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32379 "> I bought it at Glory Bee in Eugene Oregon and No there was no instruction > sheet with it...they told me the instructions were on the lable.....go > figure.... > > I am probably not going to do bussiness witht hem anymore cause the messed > up myorer anyway... shorted me one sidebar and the one top bar was not > properly cut... they did make good and sent me replacements but I asked for > those prior to trying the Bee-Quick... > Well,in defence of glorybee,I have done business with them just about since they started .As they got bigger ,they got slower in shipping out orders.But i think they are getting better lately.There were a couple times they screwed up my order ,but a phone call always made it right.Every bee supplier i ever did business with messed up an order at one time or another(except maybe Kelley),thats just life.Glorybee has pretty good prices on lots of the stuff they sell.Dont give up on them so quick. --Mike Article 32380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Jars Date: 7 Jun 2002 22:52:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <993fd181.0206072152.6dfedc0c@posting.google.com> References: <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023515531 29165 127.0.0.1 (8 Jun 2002 05:52:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2002 05:52:11 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32380 beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote in message news:<20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com>... > I checked a few local Wally-Marts for "Golden Harvest" type mason jars and > there's none to be found. Anybody see them or are they history? > Harvesting this weekend, light spring honey Last year we bought all we could get from WallysWorld.They were on sale and really cheap.We wanted them to get us more but the manager said they were a seasonal item that once was gone was SOL. Havent checked this year so cant answer your question. --Mike Article 32381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Jars Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2762.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1023535437 19834 128.173.39.98 (8 Jun 2002 11:23:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:23:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32381 In article <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com says... > >I checked a few local Wally-Marts for "Golden Harvest" type mason jars and >there's none to be found. Anybody see them or are they history? >Harvesting this weekend, light spring honey I had the same experience last week, but this week they are in stock. Have another look. > > > > > > Article 32382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Cara and Tom Patterson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: oxalic acid vaporizers Message-ID: <9ev3guojh446ra932lanorn7715dph9vcp@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.254.48.71 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1023540867 12.254.48.71 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:54:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:54:27 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:54:27 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32382 Here is a link to an english translation of tests done regarding the efficacy of oxalic acid vaporizers for controlling varroa: http://www.mellifera.de/engl2.htm they show a very high efficacy. Article 32383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: usda beelabs funding update Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:22:18 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1023542878.396007@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 34 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!easynews!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32383 (see down at bottom...) Senators Will Not Pare Terror Bill Thu Jun 6, 9:04 PM ET By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate refused to carve funds for the Smithsonian museum and Hawaiian coral reefs out of a $31.5 billion counterterrorism bill on Thursday and moved within sight of passing the measure. The legislation still faces a veto threat from the Bush administration, which along with some Republicans considers the Senate measure far too expensive. But under pressure from Democrats to approve the popular package quickly, GOP leaders decided to let the bill pass as early as week's end and count on upcoming negotiations on a final version to pare its size. The anti-terror bill contains $5.5 billion to help New York's recovery from the World Trade Center destruction; $200 million for Israel and $50 million for humanitarian aid to Palestinians; and $100 million to fight AIDS in poor nations. But highlighting how the measure would also help local interests, it has $2.5 million for research in Greenport, N.Y., on foot and mouth disease; $73 million for relief from floods in Virginia, West Virginia, Illinois, Michigan and Kentucky; and language directing the Agriculture Department to not carry out Bush's budget proposal to eliminate federal honey bee research. Bush proposed a $27.1 billion anti-terror package in March, and the House approved a $29 billion bill in May. The spending is for the remaining months of the federal budget year that ends Oct. 1. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020607/ap_on_go_co/attac ks_spending_20 Article 32384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jose Matas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:32:50 +0200 Lines: 144 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.97 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.97 Message-ID: <3d0223ad@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1023550381 212.166.131.97 (8 Jun 2002 17:33:01 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32384 Over in Europe the industrial supplier talk about "sterilized" wax. One method to sterilize is to deep freeze it for 10 days, in a regular refrigerator, so it kills plenty of eggs. Some further suggestions about "sterilized wax" for own use will be appreciated.. From Mallorca, Spain Jose Matas. "Charlie Kroeger" escribió en el mensaje news:Xns9226C3785DEC7ckrogrrfrankensteinf@130.133.1.4... > "huestis'" wrote in > news:3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com: > > > Hi Charlie, > > > I make foundation by hand. By dipping, milling, and cutting to size > > using my own wax. > > These are my intentions now the major suppliers are 'discouraging' the > use of wax foundation, and pay 'nothing' for rendered wax, and in some > cases, will only take 'cappings' wax. They will 'offer' $1.25 a pound, a > derisory sum for one's labor. > > >The same process explained at beesource.com. > > I've copied this and have read it and printed up a little 'manual' for > quick reference on the job; however, it looks like one of those skills > requiring an apprenticeship..so can I come to Tucson for a lesson? > > >One gets about 7 -8 sheets to the pound.I can control the thickness by > > the temp. It is expensive to set up for making ones own foundation. > > But it lasts a lifetime with proper care. > > This is what I want to do..be independent and 'invisible' to homeland > security. > > >I'm currently ridding of my plastic foundation going back to good old > >wax. > > This can only be the right choice..there's so much plastic now polluting > the environment. Much of this pollution is in the form of estrogen > mimicking substances. 'They' don't know the long term consequence of > this pollution, (that goes for most all pollution, save 'smoking' which > is now considered a 'long term' hazard to one's health) This aberration > is not confined to just the human population, but animals in the > environment too. These 'substances' are now 'worldwide'. While being > measured only in P (parts) P (per) B (billion) their effect is very > powerful. > > That cheapo APS plastic they use for frames and foundation is so > volatile, you cannot even clean it in hot water. This might be a good > idea from the point of making money, but it's that attitude that's > killing everything as it is, so I won't be a part of the problem. > > >If one has 30+ colonies it would pay to make ones own foundation. > > I used to have more but the mites have reduced them down whereas all my > 'old' bees are now gone, but I have a new strain I call the AHB variant, > that is doing very well indeed. They were a 'gift' in a way, three years > ago, out of the blue, being the scientific explanation. (I've said some > on these bees in other post, so I won't cover their properties here) and > anyway, I think one should make their own foundation no matter how many > hives one has. > > >My mill is 4.9 cell sizing > > Yes.. A Tom's industries model I believe..always wanted one of those, > but was not so motivated until recent revelations. > > > and most couldn't just pop the foundation in their hives with >good > > results. The bees would need to be worked down first through > > regression. > > This sounds tricky. > > >See back to biological beekeeping article by the Lusby's > >at beesource.com. > > I've read it, and have been interested in this idea since 1996. (we > talked about it at the honey producers convention at Corpus Christi, > Texas) > > > If anyone would like to know how to render larger lots of brood combs > > I'd be happy to explain (10 deep boxes a day)? Its messy! > > fire away. > > > How much wax do you have? (its history too, what chemicals? as my wax > > is chemical free as can be) > > I have 60 pounds just now, and I'm fanatical about not using chemicals, > in fact it may be said by some that this is why I have less bees now > than before, but this is my stand. The strongest thing I will use around > here is Thymol tincture in feeding syrup, (anti fermentation, and mite > annoyance) > > This is another 'beef' I had about sending the large suppliers my > carefully tended wax..I used to be naive, and actually thought they > 'converted 'your' wax into the foundation you got back. ho..ho. > > > >> There's always buy 'new' foundation and make brown candles with > >> your surplus, but the price of new foundation is pretty high. > > exactly..I wouldn't buy 'foundation' to make candles..I don't know who > started that dumb idea..harvard business school grads I guess. If I made > candles out of beeswax, I would dip them. > > > Chop up your wax and run through solar wax melter about 5 times and > > you will have quite light wax for candles or comb honey foundation. > > Thanks for the tip. > > > If you have 50 pounds of wax at seven sheets per pound = 350 sheets of > > foundation @ $1.00 per sheet = $350 bucks. Can you get 350 dollars > > for 50 pounds of wax (any color)? Wax foundation ties the beekeeper to > > Dadant and such companies. > > So I noticed. > > >Make your own and now your free. > > love that word 'free' the opposite of 'slave' > > > > Clay > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > 80K newsgroups think of that. > > C.K. > Article 32385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jose Matas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:35:32 +0200 Lines: 145 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.97 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.97 Message-ID: <3d02244f@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1023550543 212.166.131.97 (8 Jun 2002 17:35:43 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32385 Over here in Europe is some emphasis on "sterilized" wax, the commercial (industrial) suppliers make an issue of it. I understand that by deep freezen, in a regular house refrigerator, for 15 days it will kill almost all eggs of the "acaridas". Further suggestions about "sterilizing" wax will be appreciated, Jose Matas Mallorca, Spain "Charlie Kroeger" escribió en el mensaje news:Xns9226C3785DEC7ckrogrrfrankensteinf@130.133.1.4... > "huestis'" wrote in > news:3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com: > > > Hi Charlie, > > > I make foundation by hand. By dipping, milling, and cutting to size > > using my own wax. > > These are my intentions now the major suppliers are 'discouraging' the > use of wax foundation, and pay 'nothing' for rendered wax, and in some > cases, will only take 'cappings' wax. They will 'offer' $1.25 a pound, a > derisory sum for one's labor. > > >The same process explained at beesource.com. > > I've copied this and have read it and printed up a little 'manual' for > quick reference on the job; however, it looks like one of those skills > requiring an apprenticeship..so can I come to Tucson for a lesson? > > >One gets about 7 -8 sheets to the pound.I can control the thickness by > > the temp. It is expensive to set up for making ones own foundation. > > But it lasts a lifetime with proper care. > > This is what I want to do..be independent and 'invisible' to homeland > security. > > >I'm currently ridding of my plastic foundation going back to good old > >wax. > > This can only be the right choice..there's so much plastic now polluting > the environment. Much of this pollution is in the form of estrogen > mimicking substances. 'They' don't know the long term consequence of > this pollution, (that goes for most all pollution, save 'smoking' which > is now considered a 'long term' hazard to one's health) This aberration > is not confined to just the human population, but animals in the > environment too. These 'substances' are now 'worldwide'. While being > measured only in P (parts) P (per) B (billion) their effect is very > powerful. > > That cheapo APS plastic they use for frames and foundation is so > volatile, you cannot even clean it in hot water. This might be a good > idea from the point of making money, but it's that attitude that's > killing everything as it is, so I won't be a part of the problem. > > >If one has 30+ colonies it would pay to make ones own foundation. > > I used to have more but the mites have reduced them down whereas all my > 'old' bees are now gone, but I have a new strain I call the AHB variant, > that is doing very well indeed. They were a 'gift' in a way, three years > ago, out of the blue, being the scientific explanation. (I've said some > on these bees in other post, so I won't cover their properties here) and > anyway, I think one should make their own foundation no matter how many > hives one has. > > >My mill is 4.9 cell sizing > > Yes.. A Tom's industries model I believe..always wanted one of those, > but was not so motivated until recent revelations. > > > and most couldn't just pop the foundation in their hives with >good > > results. The bees would need to be worked down first through > > regression. > > This sounds tricky. > > >See back to biological beekeeping article by the Lusby's > >at beesource.com. > > I've read it, and have been interested in this idea since 1996. (we > talked about it at the honey producers convention at Corpus Christi, > Texas) > > > If anyone would like to know how to render larger lots of brood combs > > I'd be happy to explain (10 deep boxes a day)? Its messy! > > fire away. > > > How much wax do you have? (its history too, what chemicals? as my wax > > is chemical free as can be) > > I have 60 pounds just now, and I'm fanatical about not using chemicals, > in fact it may be said by some that this is why I have less bees now > than before, but this is my stand. The strongest thing I will use around > here is Thymol tincture in feeding syrup, (anti fermentation, and mite > annoyance) > > This is another 'beef' I had about sending the large suppliers my > carefully tended wax..I used to be naive, and actually thought they > 'converted 'your' wax into the foundation you got back. ho..ho. > > > >> There's always buy 'new' foundation and make brown candles with > >> your surplus, but the price of new foundation is pretty high. > > exactly..I wouldn't buy 'foundation' to make candles..I don't know who > started that dumb idea..harvard business school grads I guess. If I made > candles out of beeswax, I would dip them. > > > Chop up your wax and run through solar wax melter about 5 times and > > you will have quite light wax for candles or comb honey foundation. > > Thanks for the tip. > > > If you have 50 pounds of wax at seven sheets per pound = 350 sheets of > > foundation @ $1.00 per sheet = $350 bucks. Can you get 350 dollars > > for 50 pounds of wax (any color)? Wax foundation ties the beekeeper to > > Dadant and such companies. > > So I noticed. > > >Make your own and now your free. > > love that word 'free' the opposite of 'slave' > > > > Clay > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > 80K newsgroups think of that. > > C.K. > Article 32386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:52:14 -0700 Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.89 Message-ID: <3d022583_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023550851 209.23.11.89 (8 Jun 2002 10:40:51 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-west.eli.net!news-feed.fnsi.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32386 Hi Charlie and all, > I've copied this and have read it and printed up a little 'manual' for > quick reference on the job; Get a copy of the book, Beekeeping: a manual for english speaking beekeepers by Wedmore. Have to find it at barnes and nobles out of print stores on the web. This has a good section on foundation making and its a good book too. This has some good info thats taken for granted at beesource.com. > > If anyone would like to know how to render larger lots of brood combs > > I'd be happy to explain (10 deep boxes a day)? Its messy! > > fire away. One needs a 15 gallon barrel and a 1500 watt imersion heater and two gaskets. Drill hole about 2 inches from the bottom. Wire it up with a plug. Fill it 3/4 with water. Crank it to 190-200 degrees. Takes about 3 hrs. So do lots of rendering at once as energy isn't too cheap. Toss in 5 combs at a clip. Wait 3-5 minutes then flip over. Make a pile. Plastic foundations don't work so good doing this process as the foundations warp and much wax is lost as the foundation stays coated(but I have a plan). Works very well for wired frames. Scoop off wax into molds (not so clean and needs to be refined again). Scrape frames down and brush the wires with a metal brush. Wires will be loose. Don't rewire!!!!!! Buy a wire crimper from Brushy Mountain for about $10 or so. Run the crimper on the wires and it tightens them right back up. Saving hours of rewiring. > requiring an apprenticeship..so can I come to Tucson for a lesson? I live in NY not far from VT . But Dee Lusby is a good teacher if you should desire to go to Tucson. Spend two days with her and your be a master. I taught myself, so I see no reason you couldn't. > I used to have more but the mites have reduced them down whereas all my > 'old' bees are now gone, Same here trying to build back up using 4.9. Ran about 50 but now around 20. regards, Clay -any questions just ask -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D0169B7.CC22A5C6@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees (CORRECTION) References: <3CFBE1D8.2A3DAEAB@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:02:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc03.gnilink.net 1023559369 67.251.117.231 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:02:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:02:49 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc03.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32387 Louise Adderholdt wrote: > (I also made a number of 'homes,' 4x4s with holes drilled in them, for > the carpenter bees.) > > Louise Sorry, but I should have said mason bees. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: green rain.... Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:04:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.130.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1023559460 12.81.130.145 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:04:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:04:20 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32388 Plants have some interesting survival strategies. Pine cones that need the intense heat of a fire to pop open. Plants that produce copious amounts of nectar in a drought is another example. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:ads00k$gu$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > Our major honeyflow is over for the year except for those who take bees to > the mountains for sourwood. I have been taking supers off this week and I > was surprised at the amount of honey produced given the situation that we > are in: drought. I guess when it did rain, it rained at the right times. I > try not to complain too much, but I can't remember there ever being a time > when it was this dry. We are almost 18 inches below normal which means it > would have to rain for a solid month in order for our area to get caught up. > Everything has suffered to some degree, luckily everything is relatively > green. Pray for rain...I think the whole country needs it. > > Christopher Petree > > Article 32389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Obtaining oxalic acid Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 00:55:15 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3d02a601.310573872@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32389 I found it in American Hardware here in Maryland. It's a "True Value Hardware" store I think. 12 ounces for $6.00. It is sold as wood bleach and is made by The Savogram Company of Norwood MA. 1 800 225-9872 is their number. beekeep Article 32390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:27:29 -0400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d02244f@news.airtel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023589651 2486600 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32390 Drone brood is frozen to kill varroa/drones, then put back on the bees to be cleaned up. Freezing does not do any other type of sterilzation (and doesn't kill any diseases or remove any chemicals). "Jose Matas" wrote in message news:3d02244f@news.airtel.net... > Over here in Europe is some emphasis on "sterilized" wax, the commercial > (industrial) suppliers > make an issue of it. > > I understand that by deep freezen, in a regular house refrigerator, for 15 > days it will kill > almost all eggs of the "acaridas". > > Further suggestions about "sterilizing" wax will be appreciated, > Article 32391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jperryNOSPAMneal@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much income can a one-person operation make? Reply-To: jperryNOSPAMneal@yahoo.com Message-ID: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:02:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.27.106.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023602523 208.27.106.195 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:02:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:02:03 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a043bac3!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32391 I am thinking about keeping a few hives next year, and was thinking about it in terms of extra income. I had a friend of mine that kept hives tell me that, on an average, that a person could make about $100 US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 hives before he would have to have help. I thought this sounded a little far-fetched. How much money could a one-man operation earn, and how many hives could one man care for? Thanx in advance. Article 32392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: emami202002@yahoo.com (farid) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: please help me :my hives have disease Date: 9 Jun 2002 01:04:28 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5542a326.0206090004.2e6aab65@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.217.125.167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023609869 31032 127.0.0.1 (9 Jun 2002 08:04:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2002 08:04:29 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32392 Please help me: my hives have disease with following signs: What is disease? Signs in combs: dead larvae in unsealed cell Appearance of Brood nest Few or many dead larvae in cells at middle and edge of brood nest Color and Consistency of dead Larvae Dark – white in various sizes Odor: normal Laboratory results: nosema disease Before consumption of fumagilin: Honeybees have constipation and pushing of their swollen abdomen causes ejection of feces to out. After consumption of fumagilin: Honeybees don’t have constipation but a watery matter is coming out. Some honeybees excrete some sticky matter. After some hives were transferred in neighborhood of my hives, my hives take this disease Some honeybees can not fly and fall down in front of hives. population of hives is low Article 32393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Brood? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 10:23:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1023618211 142.166.239.16 (Sun, 09 Jun 2002 07:23:31 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 07:23:31 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32393 The enterane area of one of my hives has about 100 dead larvie scatered about. What could that problem and what would be the solution? Thanks for your help... Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 32394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Brood? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 11:20:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023621634 4.33.104.78 (Sun, 09 Jun 2002 04:20:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 04:20:34 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!329a47a8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32394 "Ken Bullock" wrote: >The enterane area of one of my hives has about 100 dead larvie scatered >about. What could that problem and what would be the solution? Thanks for >your help... Ken... Sounds like either chalkbrood or chilled brood. If the larva are very white and many almost fully developed, it probably is chalkbrood. It usually is not deadly to a colony but any steps to reduce moisture in the hive may help. These links have further info: http://www.ent.uga.edu/bees/Disorders/Chalkbrood.htm http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_AA138 If the larva are mostly younger and yellowish, and if you've had a colder than usual night recently, it could be chilled brood. Almost always occurs when there is too much larva for the bees to cluster on when it gets cold. This happens most often in the spring of the year, but can also happen after a pesticide kill. Not deadly to a colony. Either way, it's worth going into the brood nest to determine what the situation is, and reducing any stresses on the colony. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 32395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dead Brood? Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 12:46:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1023626783 24.31.194.116 (Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:46:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:46:23 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32395 Ken and others, This is an illustration of the constant need to put your location in your signature file. So much of beekeeping is location related. My first thought when I read this is, "Titi is blooming." And it would be about the right time in southeastern USA. Titi nectar is slightly toxic to brood, and will cause dead patches. But then, after some looking around, I see that you, Ken, are not in the Southeastern US, so this is unlikely. Perhaps you have another plant that is toxic, or perhaps it is pesticide poisoning, chilled brood, or chalkbrood, sacbrood, etc. But the answer is probably better if it comes from someone who knows your area. And most won't bother to look it up. Hope you find your answer. Dead brood is important, and I would not stop until I found out why... -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:D0GM8.4959$f52.681133@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > The enterane area of one of my hives has about 100 dead larvie scatered > about. What could that problem and what would be the solution? Thanks for > your help... Ken... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > Article 32396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5542a326.0206090004.2e6aab65@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: please help me :my hives have disease Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 12:55:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1023627338 24.31.194.116 (Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:55:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:55:38 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32396 This is mysterious. I suspect that you have more than one problem at the same time. Sometimes weakened bees become more susceptible to other problems than they would be if they had been healthy. Nosema is extremely common and your description sounds like something much worse than nosema. Nosema affects the adults, but would not affect brood, unless the case is so severe that the majority of adults are dying. Again I suspect that there is another facter operative here. A couple more thoughts. Has anyone sprayed insecticides on something that is blooming, within reach of your bees? They could be bringing poison back to the hives. Have you checked for parasites? Varroa mites? tracheal mites? Afro-beetles? We have a local problem here, with two plant nectar sources that are toxic to brood. We don't know where you are, so have little idea of this possibility. Where are you located, Farid? What season are you in right now? -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "farid" wrote in message news:5542a326.0206090004.2e6aab65@posting.google.com... > Please help me: my hives have disease with following signs: > What is disease? > Signs in combs: dead larvae in unsealed cell > Appearance of Brood nest > Few or many dead larvae in cells at middle and edge of brood nest > Color and Consistency of dead Larvae > Dark – white in various sizes > Odor: normal > Laboratory results: nosema disease > Before consumption of fumagilin: > Honeybees have constipation and pushing of their swollen abdomen > causes ejection of feces to out. > After consumption of fumagilin: Honeybees don’t have > constipation but a watery matter is coming out. > Some honeybees excrete some sticky matter. > After some hives were transferred in neighborhood of my hives, my > hives take this disease > Some honeybees can not fly and fall down in front of hives. population > of hives is low Article 32397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 13:05:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1023627924 24.31.194.116 (Sun, 09 Jun 2002 09:05:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 09:05:24 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32397 wrote >could make about $100 > US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 > hives before he would have to have help. It will COST you from $50 to $100 per hive to maintain each, even more, if you move them around much. To NET $100 per hive per year, you have to have either 1. very good retail honey market, or 2. a good mix of sales of nucs, pollination service and honey production. or 3. some specialty that you are very good at, such as pollen or propolis production, or 4. an unusaually rich and problem-free area of nectar sources. You friend sounds like someone who hasn't done it. Average income can also be greately impacted by pesticide hits, bear damage and/or vandalism. The old rule of thumb for strictly honey production used to be that one person could maintain 1000 hives in northern USA, and that is the figure usually understood to be the minimum to make a living. That was a generation or two ago, and I'm not sure if it's true anymore. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Bees Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 08:47:35 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 24 Sender: spamblock@spamblock.com Message-ID: References: <6262-3CFD4ED9-792@storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net> <3D00B995.336496C@atlas.localdomain> Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2286.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1023650390 8567 217.134.104.238 (9 Jun 2002 19:19:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2002 19:19:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!spamblock.com!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32398 On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Louise Adderholdt wrote: >Here are two good links describing the mason bee and how to build boxes >for the females to lay their eggs. I built about 20 of them and have >hung them in various places (plus I've given some away to friends). >The ones on my lower deck are always full. I put galvanized tin on mine >and turned the backside up and bored two holes in them so that I could >more easily mount them to a post or shed and give a little better >protection from the rain. > >http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/inse006/inse006.htm > >http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Other/orn_t109/not109.html These pages are related to the Orchard Mason Bee, do you think the nests will work for Osmia Rufa, the Red Mason Bee? I want to make up some nest blocks for my garden, because I resent paying 10UKP for a plastic tube with a dozen cardboard tubes stuffed inside from the Oxford Bee Company. -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 32399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Hughes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? 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When you factor in bad weather, illness, etc a 1000 is about right. If your hives produce the average (in Tennessee last year it was 61 lbs) you would have 61,000 pounds of honey to market at .90 cents your gross would equal $54,900.00 less 30,000.00 ($30 per hive maint. cost) leaves $24,900.00 to live on and pay all other expenses. Hope this helps. wrote in message news:3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net... > I am thinking about keeping a few hives next year, and was thinking > about it in terms of extra income. I had a friend of mine that kept > hives tell me that, on an average, that a person could make about $100 > US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 > hives before he would have to have help. > I thought this sounded a little far-fetched. > How much money could a one-man operation earn, and how many hives > could one man care for? > Thanx in advance. Article 32400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top-bar mating nucs Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:32:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.126.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1023683534 12.81.126.110 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:32:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:32:14 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:493 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32400 I've just posted some photos of my top-bar mating nucs made out of 6 inch flowerpots. Take a look, they have been a lot of fun to experiment with. I'll let you know how successful they have been once I run a few cycles through them. http://home.att.net/~gstyer/flowerpotnucs.html I am next going to experiment with the Miller method using these nucs by trimming the drawn comb back after they are laid up and putting them back into a queenless colony. After the queen cells are built, I'll put them into the flowerpots. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there Article 32401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Lines: 42 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:16:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023693414 67.227.197.127 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:16:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:16:54 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!ply1.onvoy!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32401 Do these figures in clude polination services? How much does it cost to have a crop or orchard polinated? Brian "Dave Green" wrote in message news:ooIM8.56480$Ir1.3285724@twister.southeast.rr.com... > > wrote > > >could make about $100 > > US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 > > hives before he would have to have help. > > It will COST you from $50 to $100 per hive to maintain each, even more, > if you move them around much. To NET $100 per hive per year, you have to > have either 1. very good retail honey market, or 2. a good mix of sales of > nucs, pollination service and honey production. or 3. some specialty that > you are very good at, such as pollen or propolis production, or 4. an > unusaually rich and problem-free area of nectar sources. You friend sounds > like someone who hasn't done it. > > Average income can also be greately impacted by pesticide hits, bear > damage and/or vandalism. > > The old rule of thumb for strictly honey production used to be that one > person could maintain 1000 hives in northern USA, and that is the figure > usually understood to be the minimum to make a living. That was a generation > or two ago, and I'm not sure if it's true anymore. > > -- > Dave Green SC USA > The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com > > > Article 32402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newly hived swarm Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:41:32 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.130.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1023702375 80.4.130.147 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:46:15 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:46:15 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32402 Hello all, I'm very excited about what I have just observed in the hive that I recently filled with "My first swarm" - 27/05/02 I have been right through the hive which is currently a BS brood box + super with no Queen excluder. Throughout both the super and the brood chamber is a considerable pattern of brood, both capped and earlier stages. For my first new colony I am delighted that it seems to be going very smoothly. I have seen a lot of activity around the hive and despite some fairly indifferent weather recently in Nottingham, England there has been a consistently high amount of coming and going. In the garden we have seen bees on various blooms and especially on 2 Cordilyne "palm" trees which are flowering vigorously (There are a number of these in the area and I suspect that many are supplying my foragers!). I have no particular question or query but as a new, and still very excited, beekeeper (sad for a 38yr old cynical cop!) I wanted to share this with people who will hopefully understand and not roll their eyes with boredom as some of my friends are beginning to do. Thanks all for your patience and keep the advice and discussions going. John Ford Article 32403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:16:27 -0700 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.214 Message-ID: <3d04b191_2@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023717777 209.23.11.214 (10 Jun 2002 09:02:57 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: usda beelabs funding update Date: 10 Jun 2002 08:27:48 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <1023542878.396007@savina> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-586.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32404 Teri quoted an AP news story: > Senators Will Not Pare Terror Bill > Thu Jun 6, 9:04 PM ET > By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer > ...and language directing the Agriculture Department to not carry > out Bush's budget proposal to eliminate federal honey bee research. The AP story was wrong. The "anti-terrorism bill" (S.2551/H.R.4775) does NOT tell the Agriculture Department to do anything about the bee labs. Saving the bee labs will have to be done when the USDA budget is addressed by the House and Senate "mark-ups" later this summer, or in the fall. (I have confirmed this with a contact at the USDA ARS who works on the ARS budget, and stays very well informed on such issues.) The AP put out an updated version of the same story at 2am Jun 7th that did not mention the bee labs, which is what passes for a "retraction" at Associated Press. The good news is that the Senate has expressed its view of closing the bee labs, here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/z?cp107:sr156: (If the URL does not work when you click on it, add the colon at the end by hand in your web browser address bar. Web browsers do not like colons at the end of a URL.) The bee-related text of the the report is: Committee Report - Senate Rpt. 107-156 S.2551 AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH SERVICE SALARIES AND EXPENSES ...The Committee is disturbed by proposals submitted in the President's budget request for fiscal year 2003 that would eliminate a number of critical agricultural research projects that have been established through congressional directives over the past 2 years. The only apparent rationale for these reductions by this and previous Administrations is an attitude that research priorities of the Congress have no merit on their face and seem not worthy of, at least, a thoughtful analysis by the Executive Branch in terms of budgetary and subject-matter priorities. In addition, the President is proposing to terminate a number of important Federal research locations, including locations at which honey bee research is conducted. The accidental introduction of varroa and tracheal mites in the United States during the mid-1980's has reduced the once-thriving populations of feral honey bees by more than 80 percent. These bees are necessary for the continued pollination of crops and wild plants. The Committee finds the proposed elimination of honey bee research at three Federal locations, in spite of serious reductions in bee populations and consequences related to pollination, which might adversely affect the world's food supply, extremely short-sighted and based on an unfortunate, and mistaken, assumption by the Executive Branch that all meaningful research must originate with it. The Committee directs the Secretary to take no action which would reduce research activities proposed for elimination in advance of congressional direction in that regard. So, while the bee labs were not "saved" by the votes on S.2551/H.R.4775, the good news is that the bee labs are NOT "pork" attached to the anti-terrorism bill. I think that all can agree that we do not want the bee labs funded by slimy and backhanded methods, like attaching "pork" to a bill of importance to national defense. The other good news is that the Senate appears to be just as angry as the House about the lack of funding for the bee labs, and has gone on record with clear and compelling language in support of the bee labs. I am very surprised that the Senate is clueful about bee research. One really could not ask for more. jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Double hive Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:43:10 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <9lv9gu0sf7slbabs5peibfvp4jdt6bi1ig@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-65.armenelos.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1023738016 26057 62.136.125.65 (10 Jun 2002 19:40:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2002 19:40:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32405 Does anybody recognise/use this method of building a 'super colony'? I was down in Dorset last week and visited a gentleman that described how he used the following method. The hive was built up as follows from the bottom up; Brood, QE, two supers,Snelgrove, Brood, clearing board and two more supers on top of that. Cant remember exactly how he said it worked now but the principle was that the two supers on top cleared down into the top brood box whilst the bottom coloney filled up the two middle supers. What he would then do was to come along the following week, take off the two cleared supers for taking back home, remove the top brood, remove the middle supers, and remove the bottom brood box. The top brood box would then go to the bottom of the stack, a QE and two new supers on top of this, a Snelgrove board, then the top brood box, the clearing board and then the two supers taken from the middle of the original stack. What he then did (I think) was to reverse the openings on the front of the Snelgrove board. The idea being that any flying bees from the top colony would now re-enter the bottom colony. The principle simply being to use two laying queens to produce a high number of bees in one colony. Does anybody have experience of this method? Article 32406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OSR - Canola Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:46:08 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-65.armenelos.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1023738193 26057 62.136.125.65 (10 Jun 2002 19:43:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2002 19:43:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32406 Anybody any suggestions as to how to produce a clear OSR/Canola honey. It doesn't seem to matter what I do it either stays cloudy or is too thick to pass through a finer filter. Also, once the honey has been re-melted, does it ever set back to the firm white solid it starts out as? When I say starts out as I mean that I left it on the hive too long and had to melt it out a first time, but then it set to solid white mass. However, when re-melting it seems to have remained a lot more fluid and has still not set after over a week. Article 32407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:34:12 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-970.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1023741245 31707 62.25.167.202 (10 Jun 2002 20:34:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2002 20:34:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32407 Depends on the man! wrote in message news:3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net... > I am thinking about keeping a few hives next year, and was thinking > about it in terms of extra income. I had a friend of mine that kept > hives tell me that, on an average, that a person could make about $100 > US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 > hives before he would have to have help. > I thought this sounded a little far-fetched. > How much money could a one-man operation earn, and how many hives > could one man care for? > Thanx in advance. Article 32408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Jun 2002 21:05:25 GMT References: <3d04b191_2@corp.newsgroups.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Message-ID: <20020610170525.00389.00000562@mb-fb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32408 Why 50 to 100 dollars per hive? What are these expenses from? Feed, you don't get a crop unless your hives are strong before the flow. Requeening. Acaricides, you don't get a crop if your hives are dead or weak from mites. Replacement foundation, combs get old Various drugs for foulbrood nosema,etc Stuff rots, or gets painted. Gets smashed by bears destroyed by moths. Hive beetles are a problem in some places. Yrucks don't run for free. Article 32409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mason Bees Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:53:07 +0100 Lines: 2 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.anarrima.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1023749413 14496 62.136.107.41 (10 Jun 2002 22:50:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2002 22:50:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32409 Quick question - do Mason Bees sting? Article 32410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: usda beelabs funding update/correction Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:55:26 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1023750074.656060@savina> References: <1023542878.396007@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 86 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32410 many thanks to jim for the corrected details... Teri quoted an AP news story: > Senators Will Not Pare Terror Bill > Thu Jun 6, 9:04 PM ET > By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer > ...and language directing the Agriculture Department to not carry > out Bush's budget proposal to eliminate federal honey bee research. The AP story was wrong. The "anti-terrorism bill" (S.2551/H.R.4775) does NOT tell the Agriculture Department to do anything about the bee labs. Saving the bee labs will have to be done when the USDA budget is addressed by the House and Senate "mark-ups" later this summer, or in the fall. (I have confirmed this with a contact at the USDA ARS who works on the ARS budget, and stays very well informed on such issues.) The AP put out an updated version of the same story at 2am Jun 7th that did not mention the bee labs, which is what passes for a "retraction" at Associated Press. The good news is that the Senate has expressed its view of closing the bee labs, here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/z?cp107:sr156: (If the URL does not work when you click on it, add the colon at the end by hand in your web browser address bar. Web browsers do not like colons at the end of a URL.) The bee-related text of the the report is: Committee Report - Senate Rpt. 107-156 S.2551 AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH SERVICE SALARIES AND EXPENSES ...The Committee is disturbed by proposals submitted in the President's budget request for fiscal year 2003 that would eliminate a number of critical agricultural research projects that have been established through congressional directives over the past 2 years. The only apparent rationale for these reductions by this and previous Administrations is an attitude that research priorities of the Congress have no merit on their face and seem not worthy of, at least, a thoughtful analysis by the Executive Branch in terms of budgetary and subject-matter priorities. In addition, the President is proposing to terminate a number of important Federal research locations, including locations at which honey bee research is conducted. The accidental introduction of varroa and tracheal mites in the United States during the mid-1980's has reduced the once-thriving populations of feral honey bees by more than 80 percent. These bees are necessary for the continued pollination of crops and wild plants. The Committee finds the proposed elimination of honey bee research at three Federal locations, in spite of serious reductions in bee populations and consequences related to pollination, which might adversely affect the world's food supply, extremely short-sighted and based on an unfortunate, and mistaken, assumption by the Executive Branch that all meaningful research must originate with it. The Committee directs the Secretary to take no action which would reduce research activities proposed for elimination in advance of congressional direction in that regard. So, while the bee labs were not "saved" by the votes on S.2551/H.R.4775, the good news is that the bee labs are NOT "pork" attached to the anti-terrorism bill. I think that all can agree that we do not want the bee labs funded by slimy and backhanded methods, like attaching "pork" to a bill of importance to national defense. The other good news is that the Senate appears to be just as angry as the House about the lack of funding for the bee labs, and has gone on record with clear and compelling language in support of the bee labs. I am very surprised that the Senate is clueful about bee research. One really could not ask for more. jim http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dakidd@sonic.net (Don Bruder) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Bees Message-ID: References: Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:28:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023751736 209.204.149.241 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:28:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:28:56 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32411 In article , Steve Newport wrote: > Quick question - do Mason Bees sting? Only the females. Males lack the parts. Even so, like most bumblebees, "true" Bombus included, they generally have to be pretty sorely abused before they'll sting you. Unless they're defending the nest-site - then of course, all bets are off, and all my advice becomes null and void! I don't exactly go out of my way to pick up either bumbles or honeybees, but the few times I have (mostly when I've found one struggling in one of the dozen or so horse troughs we've got on the property) I've had zero problems with getting "zapped". More often than not, they just lay on my hand occasionally going "Bzzzt! BZZZT! BZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!", kinda like they can't quite "get their motor to fire", until they're dry enough to fly home. One mason was particularly adventurous when I fished her out of the horse trough just a couple days ago, and scampered up inside my sleeve (which gave me a mighty case of the nervous twitches until I got her shook back down to my hand) but she didn't sting. Article 32412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Subject: Re: green rain.... From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <110620021200219424%user@host.domain> References: <100620021453081126%user@host.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz Lines: 35 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 11 Jun 2002 12:00:30 +1200, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz X-GC-Trace: gv1-/MV+utVxWD0cE9683njZbqKwHNDDcfSBUVjTqEvI4QJuBkyB3I= NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:00:33 CDT X-Trace: sv3-GkDvRSfeyTJXkf9R4nfbZoDK8AJKZC2bE5ZpuVUfJVBRO/3xxEpNIWqY1GeincN6vMrzTNqmSRWDXp7!vULAdpZctw+A8sYSiruxV5Hj0wTgALySmgPus2kqJ+Gm5uF5eEWDRdLNO2s8x6q/UJot9cY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:00:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32412 From another list: NZBkprs@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:50:23 +1200 Subject: [NZBkprs] (The Hindu) 'Undigested pollen discharge caused coloured rain' 'Undigested pollen discharge caused coloured rain' Kolkata, June 10. (PTI): Green and yellow rain at Basirhat in North 24 Parganas over the weekend, which led to consternation, were caused by undigested pollen discharges from bees, scientists have discovered. Green drizzles on Friday and Saturday that changed to yellow on Sunday, were actually due to undigested remains of bee food discharged in the air, West Bengal Environment Minister and Chairman of the West Bengal Pollution Control Board Manab Mukherjee told reporters here today. ``WBPCB scientists collected samples from Sangrampur village in the district and after analysis found that the colouration was due to discharges by a huge swarm of bees,'' Mukherjee said. The sample contained undigested pollen remains from a number of flowering foliage like parthenium, coconut, mango and common grass, revealing no metallic or acidic content. Urging people to remain calm, the Minister said, apart from those allergic to pollen, the coloured rains were not harmful. Scientists were earlier apprehensive that chemical pollutants from nearby brick kilns could be a probable reason behind the bizarre phenomenon. Director of the Regional Meteorological department K K Chakraborty said such phenomenon reported in Cambodia and Kerala had been attributed to air pollution. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Article 32413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:21:58 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0b.7a.bc X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 2002 00:21:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32413 It all depends on the motivation you have. Beekeeping is hard manual labor that will wear your body and mind. It can be done though, despite all the problems. All you need is perseverance, a little luck and some good organization. It is not the easiest job that you will ever take on, but probably the most rewarding. To be successful you will have to do a variety of things, not just honey production. There's pollen contracts, queen rearing, or selling packages and nucs which is probably needed to supplement your income. And there's things like propolis production, royal jelly, pollen and wax rendering that you could specialize in to increase revenues. 1000 hives to a man! Less than that and the bank will take everything you have because you won't be able to pay the bills. It's hard to consider cost in beekeeping since there are so many variables. My advice: keep bees for a few years and grow you enterprise to 100 hives. If you can keep 100 hives in good shape while still working at you day job, you can manage 1000 full time. Christopher Petree Article 32414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A trick for beekeepers & gardeners Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5.uncensored-news.com Message-ID: <3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@uncensored-news.com Send only the header of the offending post, DO NOT attach any file. X-Comment: NOTICE: Uncensored-News.Com does not condone, nor support, spam, illegal or copyrighted postings. X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 11 Jun 2002 01:37:45 +0100 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!feed2.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32414 I have found a trick to keep bugs off of tomatoe plants and does not seem to affect bees, that I would like to share with the group. It's sprinkling your plants with a little powder snuff. It's better than soap water because too much soap can kill your plants and better than squeezing which is time killing. ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><> Article 32415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:11:51 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3d054c76.10176685@news1.radix.net> References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32415 On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:21:58 -0400, "Christopher Petree" wrote: >It all depends on the motivation you have. Beekeeping is hard manual labor >that will wear your body and mind. It can be done though, despite all the >problems. All you need is perseverance, a little luck and some good >organization. It is not the easiest job that you will ever take on, but >probably the most rewarding. > >To be successful you will have to do a variety of things, not just honey >production. There's pollen contracts, queen rearing, or selling packages and >nucs which is probably needed to supplement your income. And there's things >like propolis production, royal jelly, pollen and wax rendering that you >could specialize in to increase revenues. > >1000 hives to a man! Less than that and the bank will take everything you >have because you won't be able to pay the bills. > >It's hard to consider cost in beekeeping since there are so many variables. >My advice: keep bees for a few years and grow you enterprise to 100 hives. >If you can keep 100 hives in good shape while still working at you day job, >you can manage 1000 full time. > >Christopher Petree > I gross around 100K a year working 180 hives. I am not rich but I do get by comfortably. Specialty markets are out there and become what you make them. I haven't harvested any honey in six or eight years. beekeep Greg Ferris Southern Maryland Article 32416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top-bar mating nucs Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:24:00 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.3b X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 2002 01:23:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:499 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32416 Very interesting concept! I have been using the mating nucs that you can get from Mann Lake. These work well but I don't like the fact they are made of styrofoam. I had much rather have woodenware items...something more natural. I think I might try your method since I have the clay pots in abundance. I like mini-mating nucs better than full size nucs because they are much easier to work and they don't use so much materials (like my much needed brood frames). Christopher Petree Article 32417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Top-bar mating nucs Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8zcN8.8096$k85.3605@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:41:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.184.232.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023759684 63.184.232.229 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:41:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:41:24 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!872dc473!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:500 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32417 "George Styer" wrote in message news:iZVM8.32521$UT.2288778@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I've just posted some photos of my top-bar mating nucs made out of 6 inch > flowerpots. This actually is kinda neet. Flower Pots are pretty cheap. Kinda like an upside skep of sorts. It might be neet to jus try letting the bees work a large terra cotta pot, and let them use the drainage hole as their entrance. Place the hive on top of two parallel 2x4s or something. Very portable. I really like it. Has anyone tried this on a more permanent basis in a largish pot? 40-60liters? I think I may. Scot Mc Pherson Article 32418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> Subject: Re: A trick for beekeepers & gardeners Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:44:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.184.232.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023759895 63.184.232.229 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:44:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:44:55 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!872dc473!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32418 "William C" wrote in message news:3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com... > I have found a trick to keep bugs off of tomatoe plants and does not seem to > affect bees, that I would like to share with the group. It's sprinkling > your plants with a little powder snuff. It's better than soap water because > too much soap can kill your plants and better than squeezing which is time > killing. Well that might work, and it might be ok with some plants, but MANY plant are allergic to the aleopaths that tobacco produces. It will kill many plants. Another alternative is to make a pepper spray, out of red pepper juice and water. Scot Mc Pherson Article 32419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Todd Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:23:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.91.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1023762208 12.77.91.247 (Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:23:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:23:28 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!paradoxa.ogoense.net!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32419 On Sat, 18 May 2002 05:13:17 GMT, "Wuffman" wrote: >I am going to be getting my bees newxt week, I know its a bit late and I am >not planning on getting any honey this year... but I would like to have 2 >good hives for this winter. > >I have about 1/3 of an acre here that I can till under and plant. I was >wondering what should I plant that will flower summer long and into the >early winter that the bees would like to have... > >I live in Salem oregon... > >Brian > How about Bee Balm???? Article 32420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A trick for beekeepers & gardeners Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:34:54 -0400 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023762895 3791443 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32420 And tobacco can carry mosaic virus, which will infect your tomatoes. Not only should you not use nicotine on them, you shouldn't even go into the garden after smoking without washing your hands. "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote ... > > Well that might work, and it might be ok with some plants, but MANY plant > are allergic to the aleopaths that tobacco produces. It will kill many > plants. > Article 32421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: 10 Jun 2002 23:00:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 26 Message-ID: <993fd181.0206102200.79f02f4b@posting.google.com> References: <3d04b191_2@corp.newsgroups.com> <20020610170525.00389.00000562@mb-fb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023775236 25344 127.0.0.1 (11 Jun 2002 06:00:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2002 06:00:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32421 beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote in message news:<20020610170525.00389.00000562@mb-fb.aol.com>... > Why 50 to 100 dollars per hive? What are these expenses from? > > > > Feed, you don't get a crop unless your hives are strong before the flow. > Requeening. > Acaricides, you don't get a crop if your hives are dead or weak from mites. > Replacement foundation, combs get old > Various drugs for foulbrood nosema,etc > Stuff rots, or gets painted. Gets smashed by bears destroyed by moths. > Hive beetles are a problem in some places. > Yrucks don't run for free. And... Beeyard rental(cash or honey) Extracting equipment and containers liability insurance(YOUR bee stung me and caused me to wreck my Mercedes) honey house labor(I dont think you could run 1000 without some help from time to time) supplies(an endless amount of small stuff) and if you manage to eke out any money after all that...SE taxes!!! all figured on a per hive basis for convenience .So those figures are not unrealistic. Article 32422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D05ED08.D73EBC15@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Flowers for Bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:04:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.186 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1023818692 67.251.117.186 (Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:04:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:04:52 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32422 Each year I till 3 areas (whatever size you want) and plant buckwheat. I plant one in April, one in May, and one in June. That way, the crop continues. Bee love it! louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:07:09 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0b.7a.5b X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 2002 20:07:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32423 I started using Bee-Quick this year and I have had some problems with it. I bought the fume board from Brushy Mountain which is where I also bought the Bee-Quick. I painted the fume board black like recommended. The day I started using it, I set the fume board in the sun to warm-up (it stayed in the sun maybe 30-40 mins.). Needless to say it got pretty warm. I went to the hive and smoked the entrance then lifted the outer and inner cover and gave a few puffs there. I put a small amount in rows just like suggested where it would line up with the space between the frames. It wasn't an exact lineup but who could make it exact? I set the fume board on and waited...then waited some more. After 7 minutes I came back and 1/2 of the bees where still there. I decided that I did not apply enough, so I added more. The bees still did not leave. I added more; I was getting angry at this time because the bees where wanting to rob and I was getting hot. I, at that pointed, come to the conclusion I would run the bees out one way or the other if it took the whole bottle. I added a liberal amount and still nothing happened. I ended up smoking them out with my smoker. What have I done wrong? I was in the full sun and it was well into the 80's. I was just trying to get one super off at a time. No brood was present. Please advise since Bee-Quick smells a lot better than the other brands. It would be great if I could get it to work. Christopher Petree Article 32424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Continuing Adventures of a Rookie and his Bees Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:31:36 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3CFA7742.1838F06E@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-75-139.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1023828108 25307 62.11.75.139 (11 Jun 2002 20:41:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2002 20:41:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:503 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32424 Not it always ends well, in the period in which you/they don't find a lot of nectar, they are not very calm and you/they can fiercely sting > > All's well that ends well, I guess. :) > Article 32425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dwallace@llbean.com (mainelybees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A trick for beekeepers & gardeners Date: 11 Jun 2002 13:45:09 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <575b634e.0206111245.199df25a@posting.google.com> References: <3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.75.206.51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023828310 5186 127.0.0.1 (11 Jun 2002 20:45:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2002 20:45:10 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32425 "KOland" wrote in message news:... > And tobacco can carry mosaic virus, which will infect your tomatoes. Not > only should you not use nicotine on them, you shouldn't even go into the > garden after smoking without washing your hands. > > > "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote ... > > > > Well that might work, and it might be ok with some plants, but MANY plant > > are allergic to the aleopaths that tobacco produces. It will kill many > > plants. > > That is an excellent point. I have been a smokeless tobacco user for years. I am also an avid gardener, though I don't eat many vegetables. It wasn't until just a few years ago that I realized that the problems with my tomato plants stemmed (no pun intended) from my chewing tobacco!!! Not only did I have it on my fingers while I was planting my seedlings but I was constantly spitting tobacco juice while in the garden. So, though I don't eat tomatoes, yuk, but I don't chew tobacco in the garden anymore. David Article 32426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Bees Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:06:47 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-740.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1023829602 10280 62.25.166.228 (11 Jun 2002 21:06:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2002 21:06:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32426 Quick answer - no (or, at least, not humans). "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:pdbaguc5udqp5mjaoq7etshfmlcrl6fsjp@4ax.com... > Quick question - do Mason Bees sting? > Article 32427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:07:40 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-740.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1023829651 16485 62.25.166.228 (11 Jun 2002 21:07:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2002 21:07:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32427 "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:ae3fr3$5i$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net... > It all depends on the motivation you have. Beekeeping is hard manual labor > that will wear your body and mind Wear - or develop? Peter Edwards Article 32428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:35:09 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.e2.f4.d2 X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 2002 21:35:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32428 As in, "My back hurts! or "I'm stressed out!" Article 32429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D0678C4.5E8F06AF@not.a.real.address.mil> From: Tsu Doh Nimh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:24:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news-xfer2.newshosting.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32429 Peter Edwards wrote: > > Quick answer - no (or, at least, not humans). > > "Steve Newport" wrote in message > news:pdbaguc5udqp5mjaoq7etshfmlcrl6fsjp@4ax.com... > > Quick question - do Mason Bees sting? > > But a similar species, the Shriner Bee, rides in small cars, wears a fez, and produces balloon animals for children at parades. :-) Tsu Article 32430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newly hived swarm Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-58-137.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1023834984 23707 213.122.58.137 (11 Jun 2002 22:36:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:36:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32430 Nice to see someone else stung by the bug. A little feeding may help things along as there is a gap in nectar flow at the moment. Bumble. London. Article 32431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Jars Date: 11 Jun 2002 19:12:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.10.124.184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023847931 21394 127.0.0.1 (12 Jun 2002 02:12:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2002 02:12:11 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32431 Should new honey jars and buckets be washed before they are used to store honey? Chris Article 32432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jperryNOSPAMneal@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Reply-To: jperryNOSPAMneal@yahoo.com Message-ID: <3d07668d.5597169@news.earthlink.net> References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:22:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.27.106.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023895367 208.27.106.94 (Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:22:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:22:47 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a043bac3!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32432 Many thanks to those of you that have contributed to this thread. Your answers have shown me that there is a lot more to bees than just setting up hives and collecting honey, and a lot more that comes from bees than just honey. One more question: There are lot of magazines out there for beekeepers, does anyone here have a favorite that they could recommend? Again, thanks. I feel that, despite what resources there are available, that I need to at least touch base with someone that has an operation before attempting to raise them myself. J. Perry Neal On Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:02:03 GMT, jperryNOSPAMneal@yahoo.com wrote: >I am thinking about keeping a few hives next year, and was thinking >about it in terms of extra income. I had a friend of mine that kept >hives tell me that, on an average, that a person could make about $100 >US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 >hives before he would have to have help. >I thought this sounded a little far-fetched. >How much money could a one-man operation earn, and how many hives >could one man care for? >Thanx in advance. Article 32433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:28:42 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> <3d07668d.5597169@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.91 X-Server-Date: 12 Jun 2002 15:28:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32433 I think these are probably the embodiment of what a beekeeping magazine should be: American Bee Journal and Bee Culture. I think most people here would agree. Christopher Petree Article 32434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: 12 Jun 2002 09:19:24 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-808.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32434 Christopher said: >I started using Bee-Quick this year and I have had > some problems with it... Sorry about the delay in responding. We do not read this newsgroup often, and expect questions to be sent via our website or via e-mail. It sounds like you were following instructions. If so, all we can suggest is that you try the "breeze board" approach, as mentioned here: http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/use.html After testing for a few months, we have found that the breeze board out-performs fume boards every time, except of course, when it is dead calm, without even a hint of breeze. Send an e-mail and tell us what happens, and also include the batch code number printed in black on the plastic of the bottle. jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com Article 32435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What does it mean when ..... Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5.uncensored-news.com Message-ID: <3d07a8b0_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. 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X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 12 Jun 2002 21:01:52 +0100 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!feed2.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32435 What does it mean when the bees are outside on the front and side of the super.... all evenly spaced with their tail ends point skyward and moving back and forth almost in unison, like dancing? ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><> Article 32436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: 12 Jun 2002 13:22:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0206121222.3b23ee27@posting.google.com> References: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023913376 23834 127.0.0.1 (12 Jun 2002 20:22:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2002 20:22:56 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32436 I doubt the manufacturer washes them before putting them in the box. Even clean looking glass jars may have residues of machinery oil and dust on them. I always run mine through the dishwasher. Nuc. drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) wrote in message news:<1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com>... > Should new honey jars and buckets be washed before > they are used to store honey? > > Chris Article 32437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Jun 2002 22:40:29 GMT References: <3d07a8b0_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What does it mean when ..... Message-ID: <20020612184029.12238.00000146@mb-cn.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32437 The bees are happy, I have never seen a colony in poor health do this. By the way it's called "washboarding" but you usually see it on the bottom board near the entrance. Article 32438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does it mean when ..... Message-ID: <93ufgusj16teffgebhjg5ul42hk3r77m24@4ax.com> References: <3d07a8b0_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:46:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023932790 4.33.104.125 (Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:46:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:46:30 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!329a47a8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32438 "William C" wrote: >What does it mean when the bees are outside on the front and side of the >super.... all evenly spaced with their tail ends point skyward and moving >back and forth almost in unison, like dancing? The cause of washboard behavior is unknown, as far as I know. It happens most often in populous colonies towards the end of a nectar flow, and is not associated with any disease or problem. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 32439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:52:29 -0400 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> <9936fa52.0206121222.3b23ee27@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023933151 5127794 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32439 That would not be true of plastic, would it? No oil usually used and of course you can't put them in the dishwasher. "Nuc Skep" wrote in message news:9936fa52.0206121222.3b23ee27@posting.google.com... > I doubt the manufacturer washes them before putting them in the box. > Even clean looking glass jars may have residues of machinery oil and > dust on them. I always run mine through the dishwasher. > > Nuc. > > drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) wrote in message news:<1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com>... > > Should new honey jars and buckets be washed before > > they are used to store honey? > > > > Chris Article 32440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D079085.A61FC20D@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars References: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:02:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1023948179 67.251.117.80 (Thu, 13 Jun 2002 02:02:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 02:02:59 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32440 Chris Drazba wrote: > > Should new honey jars and buckets be washed before > they are used to store honey? > > Chris I bought a few cases of small plastic jars. They were in sealed plastic bags, and so were the lids. I did not wash them. I don't know whether it's necessary or not. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: gamuddawg@aol.com (GAmuddawg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Jun 2002 20:49:36 GMT References: <20020607211605.15596.00000151@mb-cq.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Message-ID: <20020613164936.23250.00000074@mb-fi.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32441 Since I am fairly new at this wax processing, I have another question too. What is the best and safest way to clean the cappings and other wax and render them before filtering? Any experienced ideas on the process will be appreciated! Article 32442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Jun 2002 22:24:52 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee Quick Message-ID: <20020613182452.17392.00000104@mb-me.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32442 Hi, So what your telling me the day after my partner and i buy a gallon of your product that to use it we must build new equipment and Ignore the equipment we have used for years. Gee I feel ever so good discovering this after spending $60 plus on a gallon of your goo and find it dosen't work! Why wasn't this reported LAST Year ? Cheers, Dave In Madison,WI Article 32443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A trick for beekeepers & gardeners Date: 13 Jun 2002 18:56:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 45 Message-ID: <75213ab.0206131756.7f3635ec@posting.google.com> References: <3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> <575b634e.0206111245.199df25a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024019762 4531 127.0.0.1 (14 Jun 2002 01:56:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jun 2002 01:56:02 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32443 In order for plant viruses (e.g. tobacco mosaic virus)to spread, they usually need a "vector" of some sort....say an aphid that sucks the plant juices from an infected plant and goes to unifected plant and infects it when it sucks the juices from it causing some of the viruses to be transmitted to it. Sort of like a hypoderminc needle, where "dirty" needles spread diseases. However, all my life I have heard that one should not smoke (or chew) and touch tomato plants....so who knows???? EV in K-town dwallace@llbean.com (mainelybees) wrote in message news:<575b634e.0206111245.199df25a@posting.google.com>... > "KOland" wrote in message news:... > > And tobacco can carry mosaic virus, which will infect your tomatoes. Not > > only should you not use nicotine on them, you shouldn't even go into the > > garden after smoking without washing your hands. > > > > > > "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote ... > > > > > > Well that might work, and it might be ok with some plants, but MANY plant > > > are allergic to the aleopaths that tobacco produces. It will kill many > > > plants. > > > > > That is an excellent point. I have been a smokeless tobacco user for > years. I am also an avid gardener, though I don't eat many > vegetables. It wasn't until just a few years ago that I realized that > the problems with my tomato plants stemmed (no pun intended) from my > chewing tobacco!!! Not only did I have it on my fingers while I was > planting my seedlings but I was constantly spitting tobacco juice > while in the garden. So, though I don't eat tomatoes, yuk, but I > don't chew tobacco in the garden anymore. David Article 32444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pat & Patty Eckert" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA model extractor Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:02:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.194.10.29 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1024066925 207.194.10.29 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:02:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:02:05 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32444 Has anyone out there built the USDA extractor? I am looking at building one but it seems to me that if built to the plan, it won't take 4 frames. What am I missing? Article 32445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Date: 14 Jun 2002 16:27:14 GMT Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <20020607211605.15596.00000151@mb-cq.aol.com> <20020613164936.23250.00000074@mb-fi.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.46 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32445 On 13 Jun 2002 20:49:36 GMT, gamuddawg@aol.com (GAmuddawg) wrote: >Since I am fairly new at this wax processing, I have another question too. >What is the best and safest way to clean the cappings and other wax and render >them before filtering? Any experienced ideas on the process will be >appreciated! First I drain my cappings to get most of the honey out using an uncapping tank. (I don't have a spinner, and probably don't loose much honey anyways as I'm not a bit operation). Then I dump the cappings into a large stockpot and fill it with water. I heat this until the all the wax melts, then let the whole mess cool. The wax will be a solid block floating on top, still full of debris. I then take it and melt it down in a double boiler (really one stock pot inside a larger stock pot). And strain it though the same type of filter cloth you use for the honey into molds or breadpans, or whatever you want to put the wax in. It comes out really clean for me. My wife was at a seminar this spring that covered (among other things) how to clean wax. They were told that the method presented (requireing some special equiptment, etc.) produced cleaner wax than any other method. My wife noted that our clean wax looked just as clean as this more complicated method. Granted you don't get all the wax, It's not worth saving the slumgum and pressing out the couple of ounces of wax my method misses, but for my small operation it works just fine. -Tim Article 32446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: USDA model extractor Lines: 13 Organization: The Mattes Family X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:10:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.160.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1024081825 68.65.160.176 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:10:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:10:25 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32446 where can I get the plans for it? "Pat & Patty Eckert" wrote in message news:NznO8.17098$mh.706126@news1.telusplanet.net... > Has anyone out there built the USDA extractor? I am looking at building one > but it seems to me that if built to the plan, it won't take 4 frames. What > am I missing? > > Article 32447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:31:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024086663 67.227.197.111 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:31:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:31:03 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32447 Is there anyway to get honey out of the comb without an extractor? My swarm hive is doing so well right now I am going to have to add another western on top soon.... brian Article 32448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pat & Patty Eckert" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: USDA model extractor Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:02:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.194.10.20 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1024088563 207.194.10.20 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:02:43 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:02:43 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32448 Hi Scott: The plans can be downloaded at info@beesource.com and I think I answered my own question. It looks like the extractor is designed to stack 2 frames on each side. I wonder how well that works as I would thing the bottom frames would get covered in honey. Anyone have experience with this extractor? Article 32449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA model extractor Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:35:46 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3d0a6167.343214363@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32449 On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:02:05 GMT, "Pat & Patty Eckert" wrote: >Has anyone out there built the USDA extractor? I am looking at building one >but it seems to me that if built to the plan, it won't take 4 frames. What >am I missing? > > If it was designed by the federal government you can't afford to build it! Or if you can, it won't work! beekeep Article 32450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:15:22 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20020607211605.15596.00000151@mb-cq.aol.com> <20020613164936.23250.00000074@mb-fi.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-955.banzai.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1024093162 8780 62.25.231.187 (14 Jun 2002 22:19:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jun 2002 22:19:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32450 This uses a great deal of heat (i.e.. money) as the wax is melted twice. If you heat wax and rainwater (tap water often has lime which ruins the wax) until the water just boils, give it a stir to get the dirt into the water, turn off the heat and let stand for a few minutes and then ladle the wax from the top and pour it through a filter (old pair of tights in a sieve) you will get clean wax with only one melting. > Then I dump the cappings into a large stockpot and fill it with water. > I heat this until the all the wax melts, then let the whole mess cool. > The wax will be a solid block floating on top, still full of debris. > > I then take it and melt it down in a double boiler (really one stock > pot inside a larger stock pot). Article 32451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Date: 14 Jun 2002 19:19:24 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-288.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news2.muc.eurocyber.net!eurocyber.net!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32451 Wuffman asked: > Is there anyway to get honey out of the comb > without an extractor? Sure - one can remove the comb from the frame with a sharp knife, and squeeze the honey out of the comb in a fine-mesh bag or a (brand-new) ladies' stocking. But without an extractor, the best bet is "cut comb" where the comb is cut into squares, and served in the comb. jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cleaning frames up Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:30:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024119045 67.227.197.200 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:30:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:30:45 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32452 ok some of these older frames have wax all over them and the come is dark brown ( almost black in some spots) Can I stick the frames in boiling water to melt all the wax off or will it ruin the frames? I want to put new foundation in them... Also what are the holes drilled in the endbars for? The instructions say nothing about them. Brian Article 32453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sugar water Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:50:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024120209 67.227.197.200 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:50:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:50:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32453 when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... Article 32454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: cleaning frames up Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:51:01 -0700 Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.54 Message-ID: <3d0b4301_3@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1024148225 209.23.11.54 (15 Jun 2002 08:37:05 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.wind.surfnet.nl!eurocyber.net!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32454 Hi, I have processed many many combs this way. I use a 15 gallon barrel w/ imersion heater set at 190 degrees. 5 combs are tossed in for about 3 minutes then flipped over for the same. One can do about 10 deep boxes a day. The wax is thaen strained into molds. Then I process finer later. Then I mill into new foundation. The frames are then scraped down. I do not rewire them. I use a metal brush on the wires. Then using a wire crimper from brushy mountain (not very good quality as they only last for sevral hundred boxes, but their cheap) they are tightened back up. This save hours of labor rewiring. The holes in the end bars are for cross wiring the foundations. regards, Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:52:56 -0700 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.54 Message-ID: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1024148343 209.23.11.54 (15 Jun 2002 08:39:03 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32455 > when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... Use 1:1 ratio. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Jun 2002 14:39:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Message-ID: <20020615103950.11387.00000241@mb-mh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32456 I am not sure if this is because of the lime in tap water but I learned to add a bit of white vinegar to the melt water and the wax does not seem to be damaged. Article 32457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d04b191_2@corp.newsgroups.com> <20020610170525.00389.00000562@mb-fb.aol.com> Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:47:08 -0700 Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.104 Message-ID: <3d0b5ebf_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1024155327 209.23.10.104 (15 Jun 2002 10:35:27 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32457 Hi, > Feed, I feed using the robinhood method. Giving combs from the rich to the poor colonies. (I feed only honey preferably in the comb). Minimal labor. > Acaricides, Only use FGMO. $5 per 50 colonies. Labor intensive however. > Various drugs for foulbrood nosema,etc Nope. Use colony shakedowns to deal w/ various diseases. (except AFB). Wax is recycled. > Stuff rots, or gets painted. Yes. this is an expense. I use a 3 year cycle for painting. > Replacement foundation, combs get old I make my own foundation. But the labor is there, but something that can be done on rainy days. > Yrucks don't run for free. Thats for certain. Mostly asked the question to see why the cost is so high. Seems to me that many beekeepers need to drive these costs down to make a profit. Let me ask a different question: What do "you" beekeepers do to keep costs down to improve profitability? Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Jun 2002 16:14:29 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: jenter problems Message-ID: <20020615121429.18312.00001292@mb-cl.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32458 hi there, just been having problems with jenter. trapped queen. released queen after jenter fully laid up. come the day of grafting all larvae dissapeared. any ideas? anyone else had this happen? Article 32459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Man" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Lines: 13 Organization: Men Corporation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:54:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.6.205.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news1.west.cox.net 1024160054 68.6.205.110 (Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:54:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:54:14 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!p01!news1.west.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:153622 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32459 "(CNN) -- If you're grateful each morning for the tasty, eye-opening buzz you get from your coffee, then you might have a "killer" bee to thank. Coffee plants (coffea arabica) are capable of self-pollination, so for a long time researchers did not think insects made much difference to the crop. But studies now show that when Africanized bees (or killer bees) pollinate coffee plants, yields can increase by more than 50 percent." http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/06/14/coolsc.coffee/ Article 32460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey sales - UK Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:55:06 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.104.42.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1024160395 213.104.42.92 (Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:59:55 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:59:55 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32460 "john.ford4" wrote in message news:... > What are the regulations about selling Honey in the UK. I am about to start > extracting and expect to have a relatively small amount to start with but > this will hopefully expand over the coming weeks, months, years...? > > Any advice gratefully received. > > John > > Article 32461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey sales - UK Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <2tJO8.1447$sv5.93558@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:51:59 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.104.40.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1024156606 213.104.40.173 (Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:56:46 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:56:46 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32461 What are the regulations about selling Honey in the UK. I am about to start extracting and expect to have a relatively small amount to start with but this will hopefully expand over the coming weeks, months, years...? Any advice gratefully received. John Article 32462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Nigel Mercier ® Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Electric Honey Extractor for sale Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:13:59 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: m980-mp1-cvx2a.lan.ntl.com (62.252.179.212) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024164861 7065278 62.252.179.212 (16 [19216]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 X-No-Archive: yes Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!m980-mp1-cvx2a.lan.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32462 Sorry if this is off topic, I've got a radial Electric Honey Extractor for sale un the UK, but I can't find a group to advertise it in. Any suggestions? -- Nigel Mercier Please remove NOSPAM from my return address Article 32463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:45:15 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20020615103950.11387.00000241@mb-mh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-849.caterpie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1024170315 21226 217.135.60.81 (15 Jun 2002 19:45:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 19:45:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32463 The acid in the vinegar reacts with the lime in the water and neutralises it. Cheaper to use rain water - and better really because it is not easy to know how much vinegar is needed. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020615103950.11387.00000241@mb-mh.aol.com... > I am not sure if this is because of the lime in tap water but I learned to add > a bit of white vinegar to the melt water and the wax does not seem to be > damaged. > > > > > > Article 32464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where are you from ? Date: 15 Jun 2002 13:49:49 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.69.208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024174189 26353 127.0.0.1 (15 Jun 2002 20:49:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 20:49:49 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32464 This is a particularly universal Forum; contributors are from far and wide. It would make all correspondence so much easier for all to understand if the correspondent in signing off indicated where he/she lived - in my case it would be Rob Graham, Edinburgh, Scotland I've just been following a thread on jars which started in the UK and did include some information on where the contributor was writing from - the thread then suddenly moved abroad and became meaningless because no country or town was indicated. Could I ask that the Moderator of this Forum puts pressure on contributors to comply with this - I belong to a forum on alpine plants (Alpine-L) where this is a strict rule; it may seem unfortunate that the word 'strict' has to apply but it makes total sense to the contributors as it allows us all to understand the environment that the writer is growing plants in. Much the same applies to bees - British conditions are vastly different from those in the southern states of the US. Rob Graham Edinburgh, Scotland Article 32465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning frames up Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:38:36 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3d0b4301_3@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-64.aerandir.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1024180542 28338 62.136.98.64 (15 Jun 2002 22:35:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 22:35:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32465 I have used one of the Burco style boilers for cleaning frames this year and been VERY impressed. Added small cup of soda crystals to the water as advised by the loca group and the frames come up fine. When using the soda crystals can you also reclaim the wax? (not that there is THAT much to reclaim but every little helps. >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax colours - problem? Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:41:02 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <0ggnguc394k462ef84n8or592aof2rrm4d@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-64.aerandir.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1024180687 28338 62.136.98.64 (15 Jun 2002 22:38:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 22:38:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32466 Prior to cleaning some brood frames I slung them in the solar wax extractor to melty out the bulk of the wax. When I looked at them a couple of days later I was amazed to see a bright orange wax. Really, it was as orange as a satsuma. Once through the solar extractor it dulled a little but is still quite orange, Do you often get this? Is there a problem? Article 32467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:42:25 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-64.aerandir.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1024180770 28338 62.136.98.64 (15 Jun 2002 22:39:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 22:39:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32467 Not that I know much but doesn't it depend on whether it is spring or autumn feeding? On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:52:56 -0700, "huestis'" wrote: >> when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... >Use 1:1 ratio. >Clay >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: 15 Jun 2002 15:45:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206151445.42b7a9b1@posting.google.com> References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.113.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024181113 481 127.0.0.1 (15 Jun 2002 22:45:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 22:45:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32468 "huestis'" wrote in message news:<3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com>... > > when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... > > Use 1:1 ratio. > > Clay try 2 pounds of sugar to one pint of water. some people suggest altering the consistency depending on the time of year. not a good idea, the bees always go for the best nectar in nature, so why give them poor food?Also bees need approx 40 pounds of stores to see them through the winter. If you have a suger of honey on already then you should have about 30 pounds already plus what you should have in the brood box> > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning frames up Date: 15 Jun 2002 15:51:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206151451.965acc7@posting.google.com> References: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.113.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024181516 796 127.0.0.1 (15 Jun 2002 22:51:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 22:51:56 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32469 "Wuffman" wrote in message news:<9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > ok some of these older frames have wax all over them and the come is dark > brown ( almost black in some spots) Can I stick the frames in boiling water > to melt all the wax off or will it ruin the frames? > > I want to put new foundation in them... > > Also what are the holes drilled in the endbars for? The instructions say > nothing about them. > > Brian I presume that you have cut out most of the old wax? Then boil up the frames in water that has some soda crystals in it, they should come out lovely and clear. the holes in the side bars are for wiring up wax foundation. Most of us here in the UK dont bother with that, if you have the right frames that allow the sliding of the wax in then why not do it that way it cant be much cheaper to make your own foundation.After all you can sell your old wax to your local supplier and get foundation in return. Article 32470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey sales - UK Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:37:03 +0100 Lines: 112 Message-ID: References: <2tJO8.1447$sv5.93558@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1024184049 20972 62.136.153.145 (15 Jun 2002 23:34:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 23:34:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32470 Some points to consider - not all to do with bee keeping - but these are things I have learnt through (sometimes) painful experience. I am from the UK so this will be relevant to you. Stainless steel or polythene extractor. Filter it and clean the jars (in a dishwasher if you can). If you aren't covered by Bee Insurance through your local group get product liability insurance. There is some company around (anybody any name?) that will do it for about 10 GBP Clean storage area for keeping the honey. Environmental Health officers will need to inspect your kitchen to ensure that it meets basic standards required. This isn't a problem unless you live in some Victorian slum as yet untouched by modern conveniences. Basically nice solid cleanable floor. Cleanable units. Pets out. We actually wrote out a Work Instruction like a Quality System to say how we would clean the kitchen and prepare to extract and bottle honey. This helped us fall into a routine and impressed the Environmental Health people. (He was an ex-beekeeper himself). Our kitchen hasn't been this clean in years! Set of scales approved by trading standard to ensure that you keep within weights and measures regulations. Thornes do one quite cheap but you can probably get a cheap set through exchange and mart. Talk to Trading Standards, they might be able to help. RECORDS - keep records of what you bottle and (I would humbly suggest) go for a minimum jar weight (it is easier that some of the others I have come across). Record the jar weights of every jar you make. (Easier than it sounds) Labels - quite a bit to consider here but I will highlight the important stuff and stand to be corrected upon what I miss. Go for something different. I once got told that somebody bought a jar of my honey in Reading (I have not been in reading for 10 years) but I used Thornes standard labels. Whilst I had my address printed on them people look at the DESIGN not the name and address. They though somebody elses honey was mine. How disgusting! :-) Labels - More. Weight metric to the left, imperial to the right, 4mm minimum character height. Label must show you name and address. DON'T, unless you are certain, claim anything like 'Sweet corn Honey' (do you get that?) as Trading Standards may check and prosecute if they find you in error. (They check on pollen content). These people will talk to you LOTS before they take action - they are human and helpful. Trading. Keep records of every expense and every delivery to whoever you sell. Keep hard copy records. Open a separate bank account - it will make things a lot easier. Now the painful bit and not something that I was ever told or thought about. The moment you sell ONE jar of honey you are in BUSINESS and as such are liable to pay TAX. If you have a permanent job, like myself, you will be earning income in your spare time. This is classed as a form of self employment. DONT PANIC this is a lot easier to deal with than it sounds and, quite honestly, one of the best things you can do is pop down the tax office and talk to an advisor - these people are really nice and really helpful. You will have to register as self employed with the tax office. (They will do this as you sit in the chair). (Little aside - the Tax Office recognize Apiarist as an occupation in the UK). This is where it is important to keep records of every expense and every delivery. Basically your Tax Return will reflect your important employment income and any (taxed or untaxed) savings interest. Then you will add in the nett profit you make from beekeeping. If you visit the tax office (I really recommend a visit - they are really helpful and not the ogres one might imagine) they will work through the form and help you fill it in. The one thing that caught me out and I am still awaiting a resolution to is the matter of National Insurance Contributions. As I was unaware I didn't even think of this aspect and got clobbered with a huge bill for NI contributions. However, what you need to do is fill out a form called the CA 02, self employed people with small earnings. Basically you state that your earning from your business are below a certain level (about 4000 GBP and they will grant you a certificate saying you no need to pay NI contributions. Otherwise they will charge you about 2 GBP per week. Talk to them - they are nice people. To sum up you should pay attention to the following details; Storage and processing conditions talk to Environmental Health. Labeling requirements (leaflet available through Trading Standards 'So you Want To Sell Honey' - Talk to Trading Standards. Records - keep accurate, hard copies, and I would recommend a separate bank account. Tax - Self Employed - Self assessment - easy. NI Contributions - CA 02 if you can, claim exemption under minimum earnings rules. Otherwise sell bucket loads. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:51:59 +0100, "john.ford4" wrote: >What are the regulations about selling Honey in the UK. I am about to start >extracting and expect to have a relatively small amount to start with but >this will hopefully expand over the coming weeks, months, years...? > >Any advice gratefully received. > > John > Article 32471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:42:40 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1024184385 16093 62.136.153.145 (15 Jun 2002 23:39:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 23:39:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32471 Totally agree. Can we all engage signatures? By the way did anybody notice the UK are though to this round of the World Cup (with a vengeance) and the USA came second in their group? :-) On 15 Jun 2002 13:49:49 -0700, robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) wrote: >This is a particularly universal Forum; contributors are from far and >wide. It would make all correspondence so much easier for all to >understand if the correspondent in signing off indicated where he/she >lived - in my case it would be >Rob Graham, Edinburgh, Scotland >I've just been following a thread on jars which started in the UK and >did include some information on where the contributor was writing from >- the thread then suddenly moved abroad and became meaningless because >no country or town was indicated. >Could I ask that the Moderator of this Forum puts pressure on >contributors to comply with this - I belong to a forum on alpine >plants (Alpine-L) where this is a strict rule; it may seem unfortunate >that the word 'strict' has to apply but it makes total sense to the >contributors as it allows us all to understand the environment that >the writer is growing plants in. Much the same applies to bees - >British conditions are vastly different from those in the southern >states of the US. >Rob Graham >Edinburgh, Scotland Article 32472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:48:29 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <4169b71c.0206151445.42b7a9b1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1024184734 30733 62.136.153.145 (15 Jun 2002 23:45:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 23:45:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.via.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32472 GFod this Newsgroup is active. Since I have been online there have been a bucket load of messages. Answering this point I believe there may be a difference (I stabd to be corrected) in that some strengths of syrup encourage the production of brood and may not be what is required at certain times of the year. I would like an answer to this as it something I am unsure about. On 15 Jun 2002 15:45:13 -0700, albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) wrote: >try 2 pounds of sugar to one pint of water. some people suggest >altering the consistency depending on the time of year. not a good >idea, the bees always go for the best nectar in nature, so why give >them poor food?Also bees need approx 40 pounds of stores to see them >through the winter. If you have a suger of honey on already then you >should have about 30 pounds already plus what you should have in the >brood box> Article 32473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:51:42 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <4169b71c.0206151445.42b7a9b1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1024184927 30733 62.136.153.145 (15 Jun 2002 23:48:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 23:48:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32473 I think I need to focus on the keyboard a little more. On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:48:29 +0100, Steve Newport wrote: >GFod this Newsgroup is active. Since I have been online there have >been a bucket load of messages. Article 32474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble Bees Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:59:15 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1024185380 14083 62.136.153.145 (15 Jun 2002 23:56:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 23:56:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32474 The New Focussed me. Last week I took a bird nesting box away from a family that was home to a colony of bumble bees. Must admit I am very fond of these creatures and placed them in a sheltered placed in the country but am thinking about bringing them back to my garden. I have a mid-terrance Victorian House with a small back garden but a back passage that is not used. Does anybody know if BBs are very defensive? These seemed to be very peaceable. Steve Newport Great Britain Centre of the Footballing World. 'Bring on Brazil!' Article 32475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jfalusi@aol.com (JFalusi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jun 2002 07:53:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: yellow jacket nest Message-ID: <20020616035319.09535.00001269@mb-fg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32475 there is a yellow jacket nest in my living room wall. i tried spraying the bees with raid and covered up the hole in the entrance through my house and i hear they buzzing angrily, what on earth do i do? HELP! Article 32476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:20:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32476 On 15 Jun 2002 13:49:49 -0700, robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) wrote: >This is a particularly universal Forum; contributors are from far and >wide. It would make all correspondence so much easier for all to >understand if the correspondent in signing off indicated where he/she >lived - in my case it would be >Rob Graham, Edinburgh, Scotland > >I've just been following a thread on jars which started in the UK and >did include some information on where the contributor was writing from >- the thread then suddenly moved abroad and became meaningless because >no country or town was indicated. > >Could I ask that the Moderator of this Forum puts pressure on >contributors to comply with this - I belong to a forum on alpine >plants (Alpine-L) where this is a strict rule; it may seem unfortunate >that the word 'strict' has to apply but it makes total sense to the >contributors as it allows us all to understand the environment that >the writer is growing plants in. Much the same applies to bees - >British conditions are vastly different from those in the southern >states of the US. > >Rob Graham >Edinburgh, Scotland I don't know, trying to tell an American what they have to write can be a touchy subject. Wasn't one war enough? beekeep Chicamuxen, USA Article 32477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ivo van der Putten" From: "Ivo van der Putten" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Inktomi-Trace: arninkcluster 1024219034 6923 212.187.17.123 (16 Jun 2002 09:17:14 GMT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:17:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.187.37.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@chello.nl X-Trace: Flipper 1024219035 212.187.37.7 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:17:15 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:17:15 MET DST Organization: Chello Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news-x2.support.nl!amsnews01.chello.com!Flipper.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:153771 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32477 Since there is about a 20 million bag surplus of coffee this crop, do you suggest to kil the killer bees not to make things worse for the producers nexzt hyear? -- Ivo van der Putten http://www.ongebrand.nl "The Man" wrote in message news:WiKO8.31303$3R2.845484@news1.west.cox.net... > "(CNN) -- If you're grateful each morning for the tasty, eye-opening buzz > > > But studies now show that when Africanized bees (or killer bees) pollinate > coffee plants, yields can increase by more than 50 percent." > Article 32478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2tJO8.1447$sv5.93558@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> Subject: Re: Honey sales - UK Lines: 123 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:41:27 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.130.44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1024220820 80.4.130.44 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:47:00 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:47:00 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32478 Thanks for that - I hadn't actually thought about the tax side of things. John "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:pngngu838aocussedpd7ndna1ffl13nsf6@4ax.com... > Some points to consider - not all to do with bee keeping - but these > are things I have learnt through (sometimes) painful experience. I am > from the UK so this will be relevant to you. > > Stainless steel or polythene extractor. > > Filter it and clean the jars (in a dishwasher if you can). > > If you aren't covered by Bee Insurance through your local group get > product liability insurance. There is some company around (anybody any > name?) that will do it for about 10 GBP > > Clean storage area for keeping the honey. Environmental Health > officers will need to inspect your kitchen to ensure that it meets > basic standards required. This isn't a problem unless you live in some > Victorian slum as yet untouched by modern conveniences. Basically nice > solid cleanable floor. Cleanable units. Pets out. We actually wrote > out a Work Instruction like a Quality System to say how we would clean > the kitchen and prepare to extract and bottle honey. This helped us > fall into a routine and impressed the Environmental Health people. (He > was an ex-beekeeper himself). Our kitchen hasn't been this clean in > years! > > Set of scales approved by trading standard to ensure that you keep > within weights and measures regulations. Thornes do one quite cheap > but you can probably get a cheap set through exchange and mart. Talk > to Trading Standards, they might be able to help. > > RECORDS - keep records of what you bottle and (I would humbly suggest) > go for a minimum jar weight (it is easier that some of the others I > have come across). Record the jar weights of every jar you make. > (Easier than it sounds) > > Labels - quite a bit to consider here but I will highlight the > important stuff and stand to be corrected upon what I miss. Go for > something different. I once got told that somebody bought a jar of my > honey in Reading (I have not been in reading for 10 years) but I used > Thornes standard labels. Whilst I had my address printed on them > people look at the DESIGN not the name and address. They though > somebody elses honey was mine. How disgusting! :-) > > Labels - More. Weight metric to the left, imperial to the right, 4mm > minimum character height. Label must show you name and address. > > DON'T, unless you are certain, claim anything like 'Sweet corn Honey' > (do you get that?) as Trading Standards may check and prosecute if > they find you in error. (They check on pollen content). These people > will talk to you LOTS before they take action - they are human and > helpful. > > Trading. Keep records of every expense and every delivery to whoever > you sell. Keep hard copy records. Open a separate bank account - it > will make things a lot easier. > > Now the painful bit and not something that I was ever told or thought > about. > > The moment you sell ONE jar of honey you are in BUSINESS and as such > are liable to pay TAX. If you have a permanent job, like myself, you > will be earning income in your spare time. This is classed as a form > of self employment. > > DONT PANIC this is a lot easier to deal with than it sounds and, quite > honestly, one of the best things you can do is pop down the tax office > and talk to an advisor - these people are really nice and really > helpful. > > You will have to register as self employed with the tax office. (They > will do this as you sit in the chair). (Little aside - the Tax Office > recognize Apiarist as an occupation in the UK). > > This is where it is important to keep records of every expense and > every delivery. Basically your Tax Return will reflect your important > employment income and any (taxed or untaxed) savings interest. Then > you will add in the nett profit you make from beekeeping. If you visit > the tax office (I really recommend a visit - they are really helpful > and not the ogres one might imagine) they will work through the form > and help you fill it in. > > The one thing that caught me out and I am still awaiting a resolution > to is the matter of National Insurance Contributions. As I was unaware > I didn't even think of this aspect and got clobbered with a huge bill > for NI contributions. However, what you need to do is fill out a form > called the CA 02, self employed people with small earnings. Basically > you state that your earning from your business are below a certain > level (about 4000 GBP and they will grant you a certificate saying you > no need to pay NI contributions. Otherwise they will charge you about > 2 GBP per week. Talk to them - they are nice people. > > To sum up you should pay attention to the following details; > > Storage and processing conditions talk to Environmental Health. > Labeling requirements (leaflet available through Trading Standards 'So > you Want To Sell Honey' - Talk to Trading Standards. > Records - keep accurate, hard copies, and I would recommend a separate > bank account. > Tax - Self Employed - Self assessment - easy. > NI Contributions - CA 02 if you can, claim exemption under minimum > earnings rules. Otherwise sell bucket loads. > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:51:59 +0100, "john.ford4" > wrote: > > >What are the regulations about selling Honey in the UK. I am about to start > >extracting and expect to have a relatively small amount to start with but > >this will hopefully expand over the coming weeks, months, years...? > > > >Any advice gratefully received. > > > > John > > > Article 32479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David G Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:20:20 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3787.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1024226421 19810 217.134.14.203 (16 Jun 2002 11:20:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 11:20:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!londen1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32479 I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as though my dog must have killed it. Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly thicker than a pencil. This in the southern UK. Any ideas on its identification. -- Regards DavidG Article 32480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:26:20 -0700 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.132 Message-ID: <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1024233154 209.23.5.132 (16 Jun 2002 08:12:34 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.wind.surfnet.nl!eurocyber.net!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!uucp.gnuu.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!feed.textport.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32480 > Not that I know much but doesn't it depend on whether it is spring or > autumn feeding? Not to me. Nor do the bees really care. Personally I don't use sugar or corn. But only honey for feed. As it is spring almost summer I thought it best to give the 1:1 ratio without confusing the issue. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: yellow jacket nest Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:40:59 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020616035319.09535.00001269@mb-fg.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32481 Use Soapy Water, Mix dish soap and water together load into a garden sprayer add air pressure and spray them as they come out very effective and inexpensive and damage to the local environment is minimized. If they are Honeybees and Not Jellowyacket contact your local beekeepers assn and they get someone to remove them. Don't kill the Honeybees they are an asset rather than a liability Chuck, TN USA "JFalusi" wrote in message news:20020616035319.09535.00001269@mb-fg.aol.com... > there is a yellow jacket nest in my living room wall. i tried spraying the > bees with raid and covered up the hole in the entrance through my house and i > hear they buzzing angrily, what on earth do i do? HELP! Article 32482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead queen question Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:47:29 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-097.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32482 I have two hives that are somewhat new. I started them from foundation only from package sets the last of April. Both hives have done well and have drawn and filled almost all of two deep supers. While I was examining one hive and wasn't able to locate the queen. These queens were marked with a blue dot so they are usually easy to spot. I looked quite a bit and never could find her. I then decided today (Sunday) to look again to ease my mind. After a thorough search I discovered her dead body in the lower super (actually on top of the lower super.) I removed her body to bring back to study. I can't see any obvious reason for her death. The hive itself seems to have a lot of brood. Several frames worth. Will they be able to generate a queen for themselves at this point? I debated ordering a new queen but that will take a week (if I can even get one now) and I understand they can create a queen in 14 days. Should I let them to make a queen themselves? Patrick Dugan Article 32483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BooBee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA model extractor Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:50:14 -0400 Organization: Storm Internet Services Lines: 25 Sender: allthings@dp-209-87-253-107.ottawa.storm.ca Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dp-209-87-253-107.ottawa.storm.ca X-Trace: news.storm.ca 1024250003 15506 209.87.253.107 (16 Jun 2002 17:53:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@storm.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 17:53:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!west2.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!news.storm.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32483 I think this is the plans you are looking for www.ALL-THINGS.com/bees/plans.htm Hope this helps, Craig_m Ottawa, On Canada "Scott Mattes" wrote in message news:BcrO8.10518$nn1.3953743@news1.news.adelphia.net... > where can I get the plans for it? > > > "Pat & Patty Eckert" wrote in message > news:NznO8.17098$mh.706126@news1.telusplanet.net... > > Has anyone out there built the USDA extractor? I am looking at building > one > > but it seems to me that if built to the plan, it won't take 4 frames. What > > am I missing? > > > > > > Article 32484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Erwin Schmidt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:30:40 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3d0cd878$0$25806$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: M406P024.dipool.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1024252024 newsreader02.highway.telekom.at 25806 62.46.40.184 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed.hanau.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader02.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32484 Hi, Patrick. My name is Erwin and I live in Austria. I am a bee-keeper for now 17 years. My home-language is German, so excuse my English. Now to your Problem: I do not know the reason, why your queen is dead, because there are many possibilities. But that's what you have to do: Wait 9 days and than look for queen-cells. and if you have found some, break out all than one. after 7 days a new queen will come out and you have a new one. after some days the queen will fly out to copulate with drones and then will lay eggs. and than you can catch the queen (if it is possible for you) and make a point (this year it's blue) on her back. but now one tip: do you have the possibility to make a course about bee-keeping. thats very useful. greetings erwin "Patrick Dugan" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:aeibv6$rbf$1@ins22.netins.net... > I have two hives that are somewhat new. I started them from foundation only > from package sets the last of April. Both hives have done well and have > drawn and filled almost all of two deep supers. While I was examining one > hive and wasn't able to locate the queen. These queens were marked with a > blue dot so they are usually easy to spot. I looked quite a bit and never > could find her. I then decided today (Sunday) to look again to ease my mind. > After a thorough search I discovered her dead body in the lower super > (actually on top of the lower super.) I removed her body to bring back to > study. I can't see any obvious reason for her death. The hive itself > seems to have a lot of brood. Several frames worth. Will they be able to > generate a queen for themselves at this point? I debated ordering a new > queen but that will take a week (if I can even get one now) and I understand > they can create a queen in 14 days. Should I let them to make a queen > themselves? > > Patrick Dugan > > > > Article 32485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Erwin Schmidt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:29:32 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: M406P024.dipool.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1024251957 newsreader02.highway.telekom.at 22968 62.46.40.184 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader02.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32485 I am from Austria. We use 3:2 (3 Sugar, 2 Water). We use about 15 kg through the winter. greetings. erwin "Wuffman" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:lAAO8.3176$TP4.221850@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... > > Article 32486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 25 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jun 2002 19:17:15 GMT References: <3d0cd878$0$25806$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Dead queen question Message-ID: <20020616151715.16689.00001219@mb-fs.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32486 Hi, I think you might be off there I belive the color for this year is yellow or gold (for 2 or 7 years IE 2002.or 2007). blue was for 0 or 5 years IE 2000,or 2005. I'll go double check now but after putting out 130 queens this spring I'm pretty shure the color this year isn't blue. Also are you sure you do not already have a new laying queen the only sure way is to look for new eggs difacult. If you can get the light into the bottom of the cells on the outside of the brood pattern you can spot them (if they are there) as tiny white cylinders (long skinny with rounded ends) if presant you have a queen laying and you have nothing to worry about. If you can learn to see eggs you are a long way toward being a better than average bee keeper. The rest was very good info I personly would be tempted to leave two or three queen cells and let them fight it out so as to keep the strongest. Then watch and try to make sure I don't end up with a swarming problem. but that is stricly a personal judgement call. Cheers, Dave In Madison,WI USA PS Erwin I think your english is better than mine. What kind of bee's do you keep? Italians or? PPS as my mentor says if you get 10 beekeepers talking you'll get 11 opions and they will all be good ones ;) Article 32487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:30:49 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <3d0cd878$0$25806$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> <20020616151715.16689.00001219@mb-fs.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-097.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32487 Well if your color information is correct, then my dead (blue) queen must have been two years old. The queen was new to me, but perhaps older than I realized. Since the queen looks freshly dead, I wouldn't expect a new laying queen to be in place yet. There are new eggs (at least I think so anyway) since I saw a few that seemed very small and were uncapped. Of course they may have fooled me and produced a new queen already. What type of paint is used to mark queens? "Lazurus106" wrote in message news:20020616151715.16689.00001219@mb-fs.aol.com... > Hi, > I think you might be off there I belive the color for this year is yellow or > gold (for 2 or 7 years IE 2002.or 2007). blue was for 0 or 5 years IE 2000,or > 2005. > I'll go double check now but after putting out 130 queens this spring I'm > pretty shure the color this year isn't blue. > Also are you sure you do not already have a new laying queen the only sure way > is to look for new eggs difacult. If you can get the light into the bottom of > the cells on the outside of the brood pattern you can spot them (if they are > there) as tiny white cylinders (long skinny with rounded ends) if presant you > have a queen laying and you have nothing to worry about. > If you can learn to see eggs you are a long way toward being a better than > average bee keeper. > The rest was very good info I personly would be tempted to leave two or three > queen cells and let them fight it out so as to keep the strongest. Then watch > and try to make sure I don't end up with a swarming problem. but that is > stricly a personal judgement call. > Cheers, > Dave > In Madison,WI USA > PS Erwin I think your english is better than mine. What kind of bee's do you > keep? Italians or? > > PPS as my mentor says if you get 10 beekeepers talking you'll get 11 opions and > they will all be good ones ;) Article 32488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Marking Queens Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024257942 67.227.206.56 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:05:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:05:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32488 I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the bees? Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to try this that I just have not thought of yet.... Brian Article 32489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bees Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:09:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024258160 67.227.206.56 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:09:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:09:20 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32489 This morning when I went out to add more sugar water there was about 20 -30 dead bees in front of the hive. they were not there last night and it didn't get really cold last night... it has been in the 80's the last 2 -3 days and last night droped down to low 70's they have good water close by and even thought they are not as strong as my other hive the last few days they have been using alot les sugar water than before. before it was a quart a day and the last week it last 2 -3 days Article 32490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> Subject: Re: sugar water Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:15:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024258506 67.227.206.56 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:15:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:15:06 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32490 I am using 1:1 1 # sugar 1 quart water and it sure seems to be runny almost same consistancy of the water.... it does have a yellow tint to it.... Maybe I sould try 1 quart sugar to 1 quart water How many cups of sugar are in a lb? I bought a 25# bag yeasterday and I want to make up a large batch I also got me a case of new quart canning jars and will fill them up and put the lid and rings on them and back in their box so all I have to do when I need one is swap lids.... brian "Erwin Schmidt" wrote in message news:3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at... > I am from Austria. > We use 3:2 (3 Sugar, 2 Water). We use about 15 kg through the winter. > > greetings. > erwin > > "Wuffman" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:lAAO8.3176$TP4.221850@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... > > > > > > Article 32491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: sugar water Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:17:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024258631 67.227.206.56 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:17:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:17:11 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32491 I was told never to feed honey to bees it wasn't explained why but to me it kinda sounds dumb since that is what they live off of anyway.... Im trying to get them to build up the colenies fast and strong. Can I buy bee pollen in the healthfood store and put it out for them? Brian "huestis'" wrote in message news:3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com... > > Not that I know much but doesn't it depend on whether it is spring or > > autumn feeding? > > Not to me. Nor do the bees really care. Personally I don't use sugar or > corn. But only honey for feed. As it is spring almost summer I thought it > best to give the 1:1 ratio without confusing the issue. > > Clay > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > Article 32492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 47 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:16:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1024265762 209.204.149.217 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:16:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:16:02 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32492 In article , "Wuffman" wrote: > I was told never to feed honey to bees > it wasn't explained why but to me it kinda sounds dumb since that is what > they live off of anyway.... Yes, they do indeed live off honey/nectar. That's not the issue. The issue is germs. Unless you're feeding back honey that you took from your own hives to begin with, or you've sterilized it (bring it to a good rolling boil and keep it there for several minutes) I think you're asking for trouble. The honey in any given hive is all but guaranteed to have *SOME* kind of microorganisms in it. But because they've lived with that particular set of germs all their lives, the bees that stored it have almost certainly developed at least a minimal immunity/resistance to the "local bugs", so they rarely, if ever, have any problems. With "imported" honey, you have *NO IDEA* what kind of cruft might be in it, or even where it came from. Is it from Brazil? Canada? China? Timbuktu? Texas? Tennesee? California? Or maybe it's a mixture containing some from *ALL* of those places, plus some more? What regional disease germs might be in it that didn't bother the bees that stored it because they're immune, but might wipe out your entire apiary in a matter of days because your bees have never encountered it (and therefore never had a chance to develop any immunity or resistance to it) before? By all means, if you want to play russian roulette with your bees, go ahead and buy honey to feed them. But don't say you weren't warned if/when some disease leaves you with nothing but empty hives. > Im trying to get them to build up the colenies fast and strong. Can I buy > bee pollen in the healthfood store and put it out for them? Probably at least as bad an idea as feeding store-bought honey, and for exactly the same reason. But that's just one man's (a near-total rookie, at that) opinion... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey sales - UK Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:37:35 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <2tJO8.1447$sv5.93558@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.angrim.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024266880 5296 62.136.113.50 (16 Jun 2002 22:34:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:34:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32493 Neither did I. Came as bit of a shock. Dont let it put you off - its easy. Good luck. On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:41:27 +0100, "john.ford4" wrote: >Thanks for that - I hadn't actually thought about the tax side of things. > John Article 32494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:42:24 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.angrim.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024267169 5296 62.136.113.50 (16 Jun 2002 22:39:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:39:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32494 What??? God forbid we should tell an AMERICAN what to write - crime of the century. This isn't some weird 'freedom issue'; just letting people know where you are so you can judge whether what you are saying is likely to be relevant to you. Grow up and stop being so sensitive - go and hug someone. >I don't know, trying to tell an American what they have to write can >be a touchy subject. Wasn't one war enough? >beekeep >Chicamuxen, USA Article 32495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:47:14 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.angrim.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024267460 5296 62.136.113.50 (16 Jun 2002 22:44:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:44:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32495 Can't help with identification but I am in West Sussex. Had similar beast last year when manipulating the hives, bees attacked it but it got away. Shook me the sheer size of the thing. Do you have a picture you can post? Do you still have it? (Take it to the local environment health and ask for an identification.) On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:20:20 +0100, David G wrote: >I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if >flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. >Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as >though my dog must have killed it. >Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of >its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is >about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings >are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly >thicker than a pencil. >This in the southern UK. >Any ideas on its identification. Article 32496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:44:10 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Dead queen question Message-ID: <20020616184410.29978.00000634@mb-fd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32496 Hi, Belive it or not the one everyone talks about is testors. Yes the stuff they use on plastic models. Not sure why other than its readily available and comes in small bottles. The bees may have taken care of things and replaced there older queen for any number of reasons. Slowing down in egg production, poor health who knows. Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 32497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:51:43 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.angrim.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024267728 5296 62.136.113.50 (16 Jun 2002 22:48:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:48:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32497 Or glue on a metallic plate and use a small hand held metal detector. On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT, "Wuffman" wrote: >I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent >paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the bees? >Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... >Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to >try this that I just have not thought of yet.... >Brian Article 32498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: 16 Jun 2002 16:21:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206161521.705e17b4@posting.google.com> References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.118.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024269698 16656 127.0.0.1 (16 Jun 2002 23:21:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 23:21:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32498 David G wrote in message news:<3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com>... > I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if > flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. > Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as > though my dog must have killed it. > > Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of > its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is > about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings > are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly > thicker than a pencil. > > This in the southern UK. > Any ideas on its identification. It sounds as though it is a hornet with those dimensions, we had one in our branch apiary shed today. Albert (Nth Devon) Article 32500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David G Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:34:38 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3D0D208E.3424BB85@myrealbox.com> References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> <4169b71c.0206161521.705e17b4@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-304.barrelled.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1024270479 13383 62.25.141.48 (16 Jun 2002 23:34:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 23:34:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32500 albert cannon wrote: > > David G wrote in message news:<3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com>... > > I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if > > flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. > > Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as > > though my dog must have killed it. > > > > Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of > > its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is > > about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings > > are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly > > thicker than a pencil. > > > > This in the southern UK. > > Any ideas on its identification. > > It sounds as though it is a hornet with those dimensions, > we had one in our branch apiary shed today. > Albert (Nth Devon) Never having seen a hornet, but I didn't realise they were that big. -- Regards DavidG Article 32501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David G Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:40:33 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3D0D21F1.D773E85B@myrealbox.com> References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> <4169b71c.0206161521.705e17b4@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-304.barrelled.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1024270834 2096 62.25.141.48 (16 Jun 2002 23:40:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 23:40:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32501 albert cannon wrote: > > David G wrote in message news:<3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com>... > > I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if > > flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. > > Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as > > though my dog must have killed it. > > > > Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of > > its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is > > about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings > > are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly > > thicker than a pencil. > > > > This in the southern UK. > > Any ideas on its identification. > > It sounds as though it is a hornet with those dimensions, > we had one in our branch apiary shed today. > Albert (Nth Devon) Just occurred to me to look on Google and there is a good photo here http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kendalluk/wasp.htm and I would say that what I have is definitely a Hornet - live & learn -- Regards DavidG Article 32502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:30:47 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 43 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!DirecTVinternet!DirecTV-DSL!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32502 It is supposed to be 1:1 by weight. 1 lb (a PINT) of water to one pound of sugar (which coincidently is very close to 2 cups of sugar) or a multiple thereof. In the fall, some recommend 2 lbs sugar to 1 lb water. You are mixing 1 lb sugar to 2 lbs water. "Wuffman" wrote in message news:el6P8.1910$6a.1441@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I am using 1:1 1 # sugar 1 quart water and it sure seems to be runny > almost same consistancy of the water.... > it does have a yellow tint to it.... > > Maybe I sould try 1 quart sugar to 1 quart water > > How many cups of sugar are in a lb? I bought a 25# bag yeasterday and I > want to make up a large batch I also got me a case of new quart canning > jars and will fill them up and put the lid and rings on them and back in > their box so all I have to do when I need one is swap lids.... > > brian > > > "Erwin Schmidt" wrote in message > news:3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at... > > I am from Austria. > > We use 3:2 (3 Sugar, 2 Water). We use about 15 kg through the winter. > > > > greetings. > > erwin > > > > "Wuffman" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > news:lAAO8.3176$TP4.221850@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > > when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Marking Queens Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 03:53:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.183.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024285992 67.227.183.43 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:53:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:53:12 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc.edu!newspeer.cts.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32503 oK I don't know if that was ment as a real sugestion or if it was sarcasim... but I can see 2 small problems with that idea... 1> it might keep the queen from being able to fly when its time for mating 2> it might be able to tell you wat frame she is on or what side of a frame My idea would pinpoint her specificaly... but I was just curiouse if anyone has tried it and or if they use a special kind of paint to mark them with? of course yours you could pass the wand over the hive and know if she is still home or not.... brian "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com... > Or glue on a metallic plate and use a small hand held metal detector. > > On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT, "Wuffman" > wrote: > >I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent > >paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the bees? > >Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... > >Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to > >try this that I just have not thought of yet.... > >Brian > > Article 32504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:18:03 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <20020616184410.29978.00000634@mb-fd.aol.com> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.e2.f4.71 X-Server-Date: 17 Jun 2002 04:18:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32504 I use Liquid Paper or White Out since I requeen once a year with my stock of bees; I only mark to keep track of which hives supersede their queens (an unmarked queen in a hive means supersedure). The White Out or Liquid Paper has a less offensive odor than enamel paint and it dries much faster. I guess you could tint it with a drop of Testors or something like that...maybe even food coloring? Christopher Petree Article 32505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: sugar water Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:28:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.183.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024288134 67.227.183.43 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:28:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:28:54 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32505 So If I was to use store bought honey would it be safe to boil it first? would I use a double boiler or could I put it in jars and boil them in a canning pot withte mettal frame on the bottom? Right now it is not much differance in price sugar vs. store bought bulk honey ican buy a 5 gallon bucket for a little bit more than a 50 lbs of sugar Brian > Yes, they do indeed live off honey/nectar. That's not the issue. The > issue is germs. > > Unless you're feeding back honey that you took from your own hives to > begin with, or you've sterilized it (bring it to a good rolling boil and > keep it there for several minutes) I think you're asking for trouble. > > The honey in any given hive is all but guaranteed to have *SOME* kind of > microorganisms in it. But because they've lived with that particular set > of germs all their lives, the bees that stored it have almost certainly > developed at least a minimal immunity/resistance to the "local bugs", so > they rarely, if ever, have any problems. > > With "imported" honey, you have *NO IDEA* what kind of cruft might be in > it, or even where it came from. Is it from Brazil? Canada? China? > Timbuktu? Texas? Tennesee? California? Or maybe it's a mixture > containing some from *ALL* of those places, plus some more? What > regional disease germs might be in it that didn't bother the bees that > stored it because they're immune, but might wipe out your entire apiary > in a matter of days because your bees have never encountered it (and > therefore never had a chance to develop any immunity or resistance to > it) before? > > By all means, if you want to play russian roulette with your bees, go > ahead and buy honey to feed them. But don't say you weren't warned > if/when some disease leaves you with nothing but empty hives. > > > Im trying to get them to build up the colenies fast and strong. Can I buy > > bee pollen in the healthfood store and put it out for them? > > Probably at least as bad an idea as feeding store-bought honey, and for > exactly the same reason. > > But that's just one man's (a near-total rookie, at that) opinion... > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. > Article 32506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:25:29 +0100 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1257.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024293259 21234 217.135.51.233 (17 Jun 2002 05:54:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 05:54:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32506 Honey can carry disease from one colony to another and feeding honey incites robbing. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Wuffman" wrote in message news:bn6P8.1913$6a.645@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I was told never to feed honey to bees > it wasn't explained why but to me it kinda sounds dumb since that is what > they live off of anyway.... > > Im trying to get them to build up the colenies fast and strong. Can I buy > bee pollen in the healthfood store and put it out for them? > > Brian > > > "huestis'" wrote in message > news:3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com... > > > Not that I know much but doesn't it depend on whether it is spring or > > > autumn feeding? > > > > Not to me. Nor do the bees really care. Personally I don't use sugar or > > corn. But only honey for feed. As it is spring almost summer I thought it > > best to give the 1:1 ratio without confusing the issue. > > > > Clay > > > > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > > > Article 32507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:28:40 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1257.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024293261 21234 217.135.51.233 (17 Jun 2002 05:54:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 05:54:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32507 May be one of the continental wasps. If any reddish brown on the thorax them probably a queen hornet. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "David G" wrote in message news:3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com... > I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if > flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. > Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as > though my dog must have killed it. > > Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of > its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is > about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings > are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly > thicker than a pencil. > > This in the southern UK. > Any ideas on its identification. > > -- > Regards > > DavidG Article 32508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning frames up Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:34:30 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3d0b4301_3@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1257.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024293263 21234 217.135.51.233 (17 Jun 2002 05:54:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 05:54:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32508 Soda will destroy wax - and your Burco boiler if it is aluminium rather than stainless steel. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:ibgnguouar93vr3rgjt1pttlv3nadajt2q@4ax.com... > > I have used one of the Burco style boilers for cleaning frames this > year and been VERY impressed. Added small cup of soda crystals to the > water as advised by the loca group and the frames come up fine. > > When using the soda crystals can you also reclaim the wax? (not that > there is THAT much to reclaim but every little helps. > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > Article 32509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:36:08 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1257.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024293265 21234 217.135.51.233 (17 Jun 2002 05:54:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 05:54:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32509 UK varieties are generally docile - but watch for the black one with the red tip to the abdomen. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:kpkngusmnaf1u99jhkh0o0onuha2tmuvhk@4ax.com... > The New Focussed me. > > Last week I took a bird nesting box away from a family that was home > to a colony of bumble bees. Must admit I am very fond of these > creatures and placed them in a sheltered placed in the country but am > thinking about bringing them back to my garden. I have a mid-terrance > Victorian House with a small back garden but a back passage that is > not used. > > Does anybody know if BBs are very defensive? These seemed to be very > peaceable. > > Steve Newport > Great Britain > Centre of the Footballing World. > 'Bring on Brazil!' > Article 32510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D0D2275.CC4BC88C@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble Bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 51 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:02:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1024293766 67.251.117.252 (Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:02:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:02:46 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32510 Steve Newport wrote: > > The New Focussed me. > > Last week I took a bird nesting box away from a family that was home > to a colony of bumble bees. Must admit I am very fond of these > creatures and placed them in a sheltered placed in the country but am > thinking about bringing them back to my garden. I have a mid-terrance > Victorian House with a small back garden but a back passage that is > not used. > > Does anybody know if BBs are very defensive? These seemed to be very > peaceable. > > Steve Newport > Great Britain > Centre of the Footballing World. > 'Bring on Brazil!' Steve, Like most bees, bumblebees are defensive if disturbed, but not very aggressive. I have captured 2 nests and have another in a 'mouse hole' in an old chicken house. I see these (and others) all over my green bean, cucumber, squash, cantaloupe, and watermelon blossoms. Bumblebees are excellent pollinators. I don't bother them; they don't bother me. I leave the boxes alone, with only an occasional peek to make sure that the nest hasn't been taken over by some varmints. The back passage seems like a good place for you to put them since it is not used as much. Like honey bees, you should not move them around during the daytime because some of them will be out gathering pollen and will not be able to find their home. When I captured mine, I did so right at late dusk. I captured any stragglers and put them into the box (after refrigerating them long enough to immobilize them). I put a cork into the entrance, took the box to its permanent location, and released them the next day. It is suggested that you draw a V above the entrance or draw some visible marks going to the entrance to help them remember the location. The nest will die at the end of the year, while the new queens that will mate with the males that this year's queen produces (and with other males in the area) will hibernate in the ground to come forth next year to each build its own nest somewhere. The males, the old queen, and the workers will all die by this winter. Unlike honey bees, there is no permanent home. A new queen MIGHT use a previous location but each seeks out her own nesting spot, which could be an old mouse nest, an old bird nest, etc. They usually nest in cool, dark places, but not always. -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:01:06 +0100 Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1257.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1024293791 4460 217.135.51.233 (17 Jun 2002 06:03:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 06:03:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32511 No - boiling will not destroy AFB spores. Why would you want to use all that heat (i.e. money) anyway when sugar can be mixed using cold water? Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Wuffman" wrote in message news:aAdP8.304$uH2.216@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > So If I was to use store bought honey would it be safe to boil it first? > would I use a double boiler or could I put it in jars and boil them in a > canning pot withte mettal frame on the bottom? > > Right now it is not much differance in price sugar vs. store bought bulk > honey ican buy a 5 gallon bucket for a little bit more than a 50 lbs of > sugar > > > Brian > > > Yes, they do indeed live off honey/nectar. That's not the issue. The > > issue is germs. > > > > Unless you're feeding back honey that you took from your own hives to > > begin with, or you've sterilized it (bring it to a good rolling boil and > > keep it there for several minutes) I think you're asking for trouble. > > > > The honey in any given hive is all but guaranteed to have *SOME* kind of > > microorganisms in it. But because they've lived with that particular set > > of germs all their lives, the bees that stored it have almost certainly > > developed at least a minimal immunity/resistance to the "local bugs", so > > they rarely, if ever, have any problems. > > > > With "imported" honey, you have *NO IDEA* what kind of cruft might be in > > it, or even where it came from. Is it from Brazil? Canada? China? > > Timbuktu? Texas? Tennesee? California? Or maybe it's a mixture > > containing some from *ALL* of those places, plus some more? What > > regional disease germs might be in it that didn't bother the bees that > > stored it because they're immune, but might wipe out your entire apiary > > in a matter of days because your bees have never encountered it (and > > therefore never had a chance to develop any immunity or resistance to > > it) before? > > > > By all means, if you want to play russian roulette with your bees, go > > ahead and buy honey to feed them. But don't say you weren't warned > > if/when some disease leaves you with nothing but empty hives. > > > > > Im trying to get them to build up the colenies fast and strong. Can I > buy > > > bee pollen in the healthfood store and put it out for them? > > > > Probably at least as bad an idea as feeding store-bought honey, and for > > exactly the same reason. > > > > But that's just one man's (a near-total rookie, at that) opinion... > > > > -- > > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses > are > > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. > > > > Article 32512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David and Heather Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Message-ID: References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GC-Trace: gv1-R232bokn3st1HiR9G07NlLY510Qe7gN/NKr+A== Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:59:03 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-VkzVPK1kUSckbp3e3ywKQmhf3jcUiVekfpBfp1UDAxKUHDlzlZyNA5z0vGzywtnPBiSpJku8ldcpfub!r2BvrAjdKnUIxHWisnTwbaEf2eI75XEpklvDG9pMOaSdW69tLWPrWUGJQdYfAM7lnGj0uWZbpyrp!NxTzhNeiUV/hdoQIJQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:59:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32512 Don't know if they are the same beast but I have seen like in big balls of a nest........They seem peaceful as a friend hooked a nest of the back of his backhoe and they flew all around but never stung us...We didn't stay there very long once we sen what happened :-) On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:47:14 +0100, Steve Newport wrote: > >Can't help with identification but I am in West Sussex. Had similar >beast last year when manipulating the hives, bees attacked it but it >got away. Shook me the sheer size of the thing. > >Do you have a picture you can post? >Do you still have it? (Take it to the local environment health and ask >for an identification.) > >On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:20:20 +0100, David G >wrote: >>I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if >>flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. >>Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as >>though my dog must have killed it. >>Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of >>its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is >>about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings >>are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly >>thicker than a pencil. >>This in the southern UK. >>Any ideas on its identification. Article 32513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Erwin Schmidt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0cd878$0$25806$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> <20020616151715.16689.00001219@mb-fs.aol.com> Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:46:07 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 56 Message-ID: <3d0dcb26$0$21420$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: M404P008.dipool.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1024314150 newsreader02.highway.telekom.at 21420 62.46.40.104 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader02.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32513 Hi, Man! You are right. the right colour is yellow! I'm sorry. Well, I think, you are a good bee-keeper and you have good experience. Looking for the eggs that's a good way. But I thought, Patrick had found the queen yesterday. I have the Carnica. The real name is apis carnica carnica and apis carnica mellifera (or so). if you give me your adress, I'll send you a folder (only for your information). This Folder is in German and English. And if our are interested, the Austrian Carnica Association (ACA) is under www.aca.at. Greetings Erwin "Lazurus106" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:20020616151715.16689.00001219@mb-fs.aol.com... > Hi, > I think you might be off there I belive the color for this year is yellow or > gold (for 2 or 7 years IE 2002.or 2007). blue was for 0 or 5 years IE 2000,or > 2005. > I'll go double check now but after putting out 130 queens this spring I'm > pretty shure the color this year isn't blue. > Also are you sure you do not already have a new laying queen the only sure way > is to look for new eggs difacult. If you can get the light into the bottom of > the cells on the outside of the brood pattern you can spot them (if they are > there) as tiny white cylinders (long skinny with rounded ends) if presant you > have a queen laying and you have nothing to worry about. > If you can learn to see eggs you are a long way toward being a better than > average bee keeper. > The rest was very good info I personly would be tempted to leave two or three > queen cells and let them fight it out so as to keep the strongest. Then watch > and try to make sure I don't end up with a swarming problem. but that is > stricly a personal judgement call. > Cheers, > Dave > In Madison,WI USA > PS Erwin I think your english is better than mine. What kind of bee's do you > keep? Italians or? > > PPS as my mentor says if you get 10 beekeepers talking you'll get 11 opions and > they will all be good ones ;) Article 32514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Jun 2002 12:13:48 GMT References: <0ggnguc394k462ef84n8or592aof2rrm4d@4ax.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Wax colours - problem? Message-ID: <20020617081348.23281.00000523@mb-ms.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32514 i have heard that this is due to nectar coming in from cabbage plants. might be worth looking up. cheers Article 32515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Erwin Schmidt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020616184410.29978.00000634@mb-fd.aol.com> Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:54:33 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3d0dcd20$0$15890$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: M404P008.dipool.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1024314656 newsreader02.highway.telekom.at 15890 62.46.40.104 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader02.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32515 And we use glue. one point of glue and then the little plate. and then, some of us give a drop of honey on the bee that there is no problem with the others. but fo me, that's to much to do. erwin "Lazurus106" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:20020616184410.29978.00000634@mb-fd.aol.com... > Hi, > Belive it or not the one everyone talks about is testors. Yes the stuff they > use on plastic models. Not sure why other than its readily available and comes > in small bottles. > The bees may have taken care of things and replaced there older queen for any > number of reasons. Slowing down in egg production, poor health who knows. > Cheers, > Dave > in Madison,WI USA Article 32516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:18:10 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024319894 8163336 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32516 Not only will boiling not kill the AFB spores, if you scorch the honey it can kill the bees when they eat it. Use sugar-water. "Wuffman" wrote in message news:aAdP8.304$uH2.216@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > So If I was to use store bought honey would it be safe to boil it first? > would I use a double boiler or could I put it in jars and boil them in a > canning pot withte mettal frame on the bottom? > > Right now it is not much differance in price sugar vs. store bought bulk > honey ican buy a 5 gallon bucket for a little bit more than a 50 lbs of > sugar Article 32517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:23:09 -0400 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024320193 8037715 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32517 If you mix up too much ahead of time, it will mold. You can decrease this with a tiny bit of vinegar added, but generally should not do up too much at once. Possibly keeping it cold will also help, but you'll have to let it sit out to room temp again before use. Easier to make up what you need each day. One easy way to measure: put 5# sugar in a gallon jar, fill with water (leaving a little bit of headroom), shake to dissolve. Repeat shake a little later and again in the morning. Takes a little longer, but no heat required, very little actual work. "Wuffman" wrote in message news:el6P8.1910$6a.1441@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > How many cups of sugar are in a lb? I bought a 25# bag yeasterday and I > want to make up a large batch I also got me a case of new quart canning > jars and will fill them up and put the lid and rings on them and back in > their box so all I have to do when I need one is swap lids.... > Article 32518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning frames up Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:20:24 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3d0b4301_3@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-122.adanedhel.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1024348649 24528 62.136.96.122 (17 Jun 2002 21:17:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 21:17:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32518 Burco is stainless steel but guess that does it for the wax. Frames come out good though. On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:34:30 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Soda will destroy wax - and your Burco boiler if it is aluminium rather than >stainless steel. >Peter Edwards >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Article 32519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 23 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Jun 2002 22:37:39 GMT References: <3d0dcb26$0$21420$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Dead queen question Message-ID: <20020617183739.03094.00000066@mb-bg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32519 Hi, Yes your absolutly right but the surest way to verify it would be to check for eggs ( also an excellent way to really know the genral health of your hives at this time of the year or the last few months is the presence of eggs and there number along with the brood pattern eggs ,larva, sealed brood. I have to admit that I'm not familur with the scientific genus of my bee's they are an offshoot I belive of the New World Carneolians. The off shoot being called Harbo's (after there developer Dr Harbo) although he apprantly prefers they be called SMR'S for scientific mite resistant ( I belive. if someone knows better please correct me) So far they seem well behaved with a good build up for the climate and weather. I pulled my first box of locust honey off saturday (there is lots more but not sealed yet, very pale almost water white with a very light flavor) if anything they seem to be less likely to swarm (or the weather hasn't suited them) Than Standard Carneolians.They may be building to it as the hives seem stuffed with honey That may be due to the fact that because of a rapid expantion (of my hives) I'm forcing them all to draw at least a large box of comb some two. (with a couple of mediums or shallows for brood) I had hoped to use it to start a batch of mead but I think its to light a flavor to do well. Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 32520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: 17 Jun 2002 15:48:14 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206171448.4ddcb982@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.108.70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024354094 31127 127.0.0.1 (17 Jun 2002 22:48:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 22:48:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32520 "Wuffman" wrote in message news:... > This morning when I went out to add more sugar water there was about 20 -30 > dead bees in front of the hive. > they were not there last night and it didn't get really cold last night... > it has been in the 80's the last 2 -3 days and last night droped down to low > 70's > > they have good water close by and even thought they are not as strong as my > other hive the last few days they have been using alot les sugar water than > before. before it was a quart a day and the last week it last 2 -3 days A couple of days of cold weather should not affect bees too much, interior temperature of the cluster is about 94f. Varroa and Tracheal mites do the damage by vectoring in virus^s, they are not like vampires! Having had to look at a local beekeepers bees the other day he had the same problem with hundreds of bees dead and dying each day. The colony was very strong and was filling supers. Taking a sample to our branch microscopist he is of the opinion that it is chronic bee paralysis virus. He checked the honey sac and found that it was extended with liquid, these were compared from healthy bees from his own hives. for further information try reading Honeybee Pathology by Dr Leslie Bailey. Article 32521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:59:54 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-041.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32521 It might have been sarcasm but it might be possible. Instead of a plate attach metal foil. Colored foil would show up like paint and *might* be detectable by a cheap metal detector. The foil wouldn't weigh much and shouldn't affect flight. Would allow you to find the queen rapidly when you are inspecting the nest. While you could pass it over the hive and know she was there (assuming that you aren't detecting nails, etc.) you still wouldn't know if she were alive though. "Wuffman" wrote in message news:I2dP8.231$uH2.47@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > oK I don't know if that was ment as a real sugestion or if it was > sarcasim... but I can see 2 small problems with that idea... > > 1> it might keep the queen from being able to fly when its time for mating > 2> it might be able to tell you wat frame she is on or what side of a frame > > My idea would pinpoint her specificaly... but I was just curiouse if anyone > has tried it and or if they use a special kind of paint to mark them with? > of course yours you could pass the wand over the hive and know if she is > still home or not.... > > brian > > "Steve Newport" wrote in message > news:0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com... > > Or glue on a metallic plate and use a small hand held metal detector. > > > > On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT, "Wuffman" > > wrote: > > >I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent > > >paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the > bees? > > >Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... > > >Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to > > >try this that I just have not thought of yet.... > > >Brian > > > > > > Article 32522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4169b71c.0206171448.4ddcb982@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: dead bees Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <8FvP8.117509$6v2.4840559@twister.southeast.rr.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:03:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1024362180 24.31.194.116 (Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:03:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:03:00 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32522 "albert cannon" wrote >Having had to look at a local beekeepers bees the other day > he had the same problem with hundreds of bees dead and dying each day. > The colony was very strong and was filling supers. Taking a sample to > our branch microscopist he is of the opinion that it is chronic bee > paralysis virus. Were they also check for pesticide hits? The strongest hives are usually the worst affected, because they have the most foragers picking up the poison. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Jun 2002 03:46:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Difficult swarm Message-ID: <20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!news.uky.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32523 Any suggestions for capturing a swarm that is tight to the trunk of a mountan ash about 4" in diameter spread over about 3' . Theyu just refuse to be knocked free . Article 32524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-156-174.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1024386778 5995 213.122.156.174 (18 Jun 2002 07:52:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:52:58 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32524 Great thread. I was thinking along similar lines when I saw some luminous paint in an art shop recently. Maybe a queen bee who glowed in the dark would be killed, maybe try this out on a drone first. Regarding the metal disks they do exist. Magnets are used to collect returning bees at the entrance of hives used for research into foraging behaviour. > From: "Wuffman" > Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 03:53:12 GMT > Subject: Re: Marking Queens > > oK I don't know if that was ment as a real sugestion or if it was > sarcasim... but I can see 2 small problems with that idea... > > 1> it might keep the queen from being able to fly when its time for mating > 2> it might be able to tell you wat frame she is on or what side of a frame > > My idea would pinpoint her specificaly... but I was just curiouse if anyone > has tried it and or if they use a special kind of paint to mark them with? > of course yours you could pass the wand over the hive and know if she is > still home or not.... > > brian > > "Steve Newport" wrote in message > news:0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com... >> Or glue on a metallic plate and use a small hand held metal detector. >> >> On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT, "Wuffman" >> wrote: >>> I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent >>> paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the > bees? >>> Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... >>> Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to >>> try this that I just have not thought of yet.... >>> Brian >> >> > > Article 32525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Difficult swarm Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:03:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32525 Beebrush "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com... > Any suggestions for capturing a swarm that is tight to the trunk of a mountan > ash about 4" in diameter spread over about 3' . > Theyu just refuse to be knocked free . > > > > > > Article 32526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Smithfarms 100% Kona Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Smithfarms Kona Coffee Reply-To: webmistress@smithfarms.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:02:03 CDT X-Trace: sv3-84DU/63MGhrAq8bx5qT1k1UtEgoyNetPrdmQjPodHaK28U69kQ/thhpLs6KwTTPjVuwbDSyoLbhcEAq!A4Oyxu6dsOSFpbBkxl+Cf+cVr5Si1DmfrhlR0x2hdQfIfQOmBUfiLaZ8NvSMvNmskRbz1yzHFJ9f!+Lv0D68= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:02:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154205 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32526 On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:54:14 GMT, "The Man" wrote: >"(CNN) -- If you're grateful each morning for the tasty, eye-opening buzz >you get from your coffee, then you might have a "killer" bee to thank. > >Coffee plants (coffea arabica) are capable of self-pollination, so for a >long time researchers did not think insects made much difference to the >crop. > >But studies now show that when Africanized bees (or killer bees) pollinate >coffee plants, yields can increase by more than 50 percent." > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/06/14/coolsc.coffee/ > If coffee is self fertile, which we farmers believe it is, how could it be any more fertilised? I just don't get it. With bees or without bees, it is fertilised. I admit that I see our bees on the flowers, gathering the nectar, but it is for the bees benefit , I think. aloha, Cea Smith http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 54 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:56:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1024419416 209.204.149.192 (Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:56:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:56:56 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154212 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32527 In article , Smithfarms 100% Kona wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:54:14 GMT, "The Man" wrote: > > >"(CNN) -- If you're grateful each morning for the tasty, eye-opening buzz > >you get from your coffee, then you might have a "killer" bee to thank. > > > >Coffee plants (coffea arabica) are capable of self-pollination, so for a > >long time researchers did not think insects made much difference to the > >crop. > > > >But studies now show that when Africanized bees (or killer bees) pollinate > >coffee plants, yields can increase by more than 50 percent." > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/06/14/coolsc.coffee/ > > > If coffee is self fertile, which we farmers believe it is, how could > it be any more fertilised? I just don't get it. With bees or without > bees, it is fertilised. I admit that I see our bees on the flowers, > gathering the nectar, but it is for the bees benefit , I think. > aloha, > Cea Smith > http://www.smithfarms.com > Farmers & Sellers of 100% > Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! *IF* I recall rightly, coffee beans grow in some kind of "pods" or clusters, rather than individual "one flower equals one bean" arrangements, right? (Or am I thinking of cocoa beans?) An analogy would be corn or peas... Sure, they self-pollinate to a degree, but I'm sure you've see the pod of peas that has exactly one pea inside it, or the cob of fresh corn with those funky micro-kernels - both examples of "under-pollination". Now, think about your coffee - Sure, it self-pollinates. Again, *IF* I'm remembering right, that means that a self-pollinated pod/cluster could have one bean in it, or 5, or 20, or whatever the upper possible number is - I ain't Juan Valdez, or even Juan's donkey! :) While a flower that is thoroughly worked by foraging bees, and has every potential seed pollinated would have most, if not all, of the seeds pollinated, meaning it would be loaded with beans at harvest time, rather than having just one or two puny ones. It isn't a case of growing bigger beans to get a better crop, but growing MORE beans, correct? Or am I entirely screwed up in my thinking? Of course, this whole line of thought falls apart if coffee is actually a "one flower, one seed" kind of crop... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: 18 Jun 2002 18:08:44 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nts-242.4-185-64.nts-online.net (64.185.4.242) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024423724 8882958 64.185.4.242 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!nts-242.4-185-64.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32528 Steve Newport wrote in news:oq4qgukcuofd6s9f7hikm4srq55ok7vqbi@4ax.com: > Grow up and stop being so sensitive - go and hug someone. Hard to hug someone when you're wearing that gas mask, don't you know there's a war on? C.K. At: 34.94 N X 101.69 W. Article 32529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Smithfarms 100% Kona Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Smithfarms Kona Coffee Reply-To: webmistress@smithfarms.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:27:40 CDT X-Trace: sv3-xZVNF/97/NKAK04E1tRx3tvCDoBaE1qID1tQjRZWRlqc8aFPhQnuUqul40iBq+OjC7CDV+VSOzZde5r!iZw+YUMH1m+lp0v6tNSi1BlhBYYFYXYzvwxUP7KUpDdSfrOGwkJ5ZuRquTa9wEgF+zECtBuRdCjP!k0fIEDg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:27:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154226 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32529 On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:56:56 GMT, Don Bruder wrote: >In article , > Smithfarms 100% Kona wrote: >> > >> If coffee is self fertile, which we farmers believe it is, how could >> it be any more fertilised? I just don't get it. With bees or without >> bees, it is fertilised. I admit that I see our bees on the flowers, >> gathering the nectar, but it is for the bees benefit , I think. >> aloha, >> Cea Smith >> http://www.smithfarms.com >> Farmers & Sellers of 100% >> Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! > >*IF* I recall rightly, coffee beans grow in some kind of "pods" or >clusters, rather than individual "one flower equals one bean" >arrangements, right? (Or am I thinking of cocoa beans?) An analogy would >be corn or peas... Sure, they self-pollinate to a degree, but I'm sure >you've see the pod of peas that has exactly one pea inside it, or the >cob of fresh corn with those funky micro-kernels - both examples of >"under-pollination". No one flower equals one fruit which in 95% of the cases is two flat sided beans known as "Type I" beans. In 5% of the crop, one flower equals one Peaberry bean which is semi rounded, or a "Type II" bean. Cocoa, which I certainly don't know as well, comes in a pod formation. > >Now, think about your coffee - Sure, it self-pollinates. Again, *IF* I'm >remembering right, that means that a self-pollinated pod/cluster could >have one bean in it, or 5, or 20, or whatever the upper possible number >is - I ain't Juan Valdez, or even Juan's donkey! :) While a flower that >is thoroughly worked by foraging bees, and has every potential seed >pollinated would have most, if not all, of the seeds pollinated, meaning >it would be loaded with beans at harvest time, rather than having just >one or two puny ones. It isn't a case of growing bigger beans to get a >better crop, but growing MORE beans, correct? Or am I entirely screwed >up in my thinking? > >Of course, this whole line of thought falls apart if coffee is actually >a "one flower, one seed" kind of crop... with aloha, Cea http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Difficult swarm X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D0F7E21.4AAB4359@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:38:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32530 Use a hand-held mirror to shine sunlight on them. You might be able to corall them like that. Billy Smart Rock, KS BeeCrofter wrote: > > Any suggestions for capturing a swarm that is tight to the trunk of a mountan > ash about 4" in diameter spread over about 3' . > Theyu just refuse to be knocked free . Article 32531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Date: 18 Jun 2002 19:49:29 GMT Lines: 99 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.68 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024429769 8983607 216.167.143.68 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.68!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154233 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32531 "Ivo van der Putten" wrote in news:vIYO8.2086087$Lj7.69398581@Flipper: > Since there is about a 20 million bag surplus of coffee this crop You wouldn't know this in supermarkets in Amarillo, Texas..greedy bastards I say; but, 'they' would say market forces converge to supply the consumer. Why don't these growers who've produced this surplus go directly to the public via the Internet? That was supposed to be one of the great advantages of the Internet..producer to consumer. ('downstreaming' as the oil companies say) If I could buy a hundred kilos of coffee directly for say what general foods pays on the 'open' market, that would be peachy. What's wrong with a 'co-op' and eliminate those parasites in between? erk..what's that you say? large companies are producing this surplus, not sturdy farmers owning their own land? So..what's a lot of large coffee producers going to do? If the price for a bag of coffee off the boat in the consuming country is too cheap to make an amount of money the producers (want or need, I'm not sure which it is) and the packers don't 'pass along' this lower pricing to their retailers... what, they do? because the large retailers know the commodity price too, and so it really comes down to the underpaid and over taxed consumer at the supermarket paying more for coffee this year than last, since 'they' know he will. This 'average' consumer is nothing compared to the 'affluent' consumer who is suffereing from the disease of status and will always pay twice to three times the amount of a supermarket brand making the average consumer look wise by comparison. It may not be known by people outside America, but in this country, there is a large segment of the population that pays a lot of money to drink coffee so 'burnt' each bean is black as a little piece of charcoal, and they then have to put all sorts of sweet and frothy additions to it just to be able to drink it down, but suggest to them that maybe it taste like a half burned piece of wood soaked in water and they will fight you over it. I don't get it. market forces? there are none. Then Cea Smith (the webmistress) at Smithfarms, producers of 100% Kona coffee (affordable by a few) and other things, said: >how could it be any more fertilized? I just don't get it. There are degrees of quality regarding fertilization it has to do with getting the complete gene package as it were. Take for instance, melons that are not known for being self pollinators but will be pollinated by chance if the wind blows. The amount of pollen they receive having a direct relation to how the melon looks and whether there's another melon on the same vine. With bee or insect pollination the melon has a better chance of receiving it's full compliment of genetic material so it ends up looking like a melon, and more of them too since there will be no shortage of blossoms. Poorly pollinated melons I see in the supermarkets frequently are big on one end and withered on the other..no one seems to be concerned about this, but in 'the old days' watermelons were the same diameter their whole length. This is one example of high production agribusiness style, but with lowered quality. To put it simply, insect pollination of any crop lends itself to superior genetics, and that means 'more' and 'better' shaped fruits and vegetables. Then Don Bruder said: >It isn't a case of growing bigger beans to get a >better crop, but growing MORE beans, correct? Or am I entirely screwed >up in my thinking? >Of course, this whole line of thought falls apart if coffee is actually >a "one flower, one seed" kind of crop... You're correct in either way..coffee plants produce 'stems' containing bean 'clusters'. Imagine a longish stem where there's a cluster of beans say 10, and then a space of an inch where there's nothing, then another cluster of beans numbering eight or more. For every 'future' bean, there's a pretty white and yellow flower, the perfect a