Article 32273 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do you make a queen excluder? Message-ID: References: <41pefug7jhtq3trj86r6p06njtldrcv69o@4ax.com> <4169b71c.0205311410.34141964@posting.google.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 00:10:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.98 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1022890211 4.33.104.98 (Fri, 31 May 2002 17:10:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 17:10:11 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!329a47a8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32273 albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) wrote: >The idea of pheromones to stop a queen going up into the supers is new >to me > what is the logic behind it, i cant see any..... I'm not sure if anyone really knows WHY a queen tends to lay eggs in a contiguous, somewhat spherical-shaped brood nest and resists crossing a barrier to lay in a separate area, but the fact is that she does. Perhaps it is because the absence of her pheromones in the lower (original) brood area would stimulate the workers to raise queen cells. It certainly is advantageous when cold weather comes and they must cluster on the brood. This tendency allows beekeepers to make an effective queen excluder by putting a thin piece of plastic or wood between the brood box and super, leaving an inch or so on all sides for the worker bees to pass. It's not 100% perfect, and the bees propolize it to the top bars, but works well. No excluder is perfect. The "plain plywood" excluder towards the bottom of this page uses a similar concept: http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/excludertypes.html For historical reference, take a look at the several collateral hives on this page. There is also a box hive and a skep showing supers: http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/history1.htm John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 32274 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do I get the bees out of the swarm box? JJ - What is compass orientation? Date: 31 May 2002 18:50:22 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 85 Message-ID: <1cfa704.0205311750.65837b8a@posting.google.com> References: <1kNI8.31734$6v2.1360793@twister.southeast.rr.com> <2j4bfu8ljiknoi7ks5938dvpundsd1jcn9@4ax.com> <3CF665AB.E44EFB16@dcnet2000null.com.> <3brdfucotljjqiivpuup362amnvnqthdet@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.10.124.141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022896222 15675 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2002 01:50:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2002 01:50:23 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32274 The workers tend to build the cells of the comb with a slight up angle (when viewed from the edge of the frame). If you turn the swarm box upside down, the cells will be sloping down hill. Any brood in the comb will hatch, but the queen will be reluctant to lay in the comb that is "upside down" (I imagine laying the swarm box in its side would work too). If you give her drawn combs that are right side up, she will move on to them. Chris Wally wrote in message news:<3brdfucotljjqiivpuup362amnvnqthdet@4ax.com>... > I haven't heard the term compass orientation before. What is it? > > On Thu, 30 May 2002 12:47:23 -0500, Jeremy Goodwin > wrote: > > >Have you tried compass orientation of your hives? > >JJ > > > >Wally wrote: > >> > >> Dave, thank you for the response. When you say to use comb that is > >> normal orientation, do you mean drawn comb in frames spaced out in the > >> super? The swarm box is about 7 feet up in the air on top of the > >> arbor and sitting cockeyed as all get out on the vines that lifted it > >> as they grew. I can cut it loose and lower it down and use spare > >> frames with drawn comb. Is that what you mean? The weather here in > >> western Washington state has turned to rain again, so I've got an > >> excuse to put this off for a bit. > >> Do you think if I put a super in front of the swarm box access and > >> "forced" the bees to travel through the super that they would > >> eventually migrate into it? > >> > >> On Tue, 28 May 2002 15:25:49 GMT, "Dave Green" > >> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"Wally" wrote > >> > > >> >> At least 5 years ago I bought a swarm box from Brushy Mountain. I set > >> >> it on top of an arbor that had some small kiwi plants. Nothing the > >> >> first or second year, so I forgot about it. > >> >> > >> >> I was pruning the kiwi's (they have grown immensely) this year and my > >> >> wife commented on all the bees buzzing around the plants. Sure > >> >> enough, the swarm trap is now covered with vines and quite overgrown > >> >> and looks to be full of honeybees. > >> >> > >> >> How do I get them out of a swarm box and into a hive body without > >> >> losing the queen and most of the workers. The hive body can be > >> >> located no more than 50 feet away because of the property size limits. > >> > > >> > You can use an old beekeeper trick to urge them into the box, without a > >> >lot of work on your part of disruption of the hive. Some will tell you to > >> >cut out the comb and tie it into frames. That's too much work for me, and it > >> >demoralizes the bees. I haven't done this with swarm boxes, but have done it > >> >several times with bees that moved into standard boxes without frames, and > >> >from sections of log. > >> > > >> > The secret is this: the queen is reluctant to lay in comb that is not in > >> >normal orientation. Given time, the bees will rip out the comb and rebuild > >> >it to align with the new position, but if there is a box already connected > >> >with it (preferably above it), that has properly oriented comb, the queen > >> >will usually move to it. > >> > > >> > You'll probably have to dig out your box from the kiwifruit vine, set it > >> >alongside for a couple days to allow the bees to reorient. Then turn it > >> >upside down, and figure out a way to hold a deep box of comb directly above > >> >it. Use comb, not foundation, even if you have to buy some from a fellow > >> >beekeeper. Close up the open space as best you can. You can do wonders with > >> >plywood scraps, old shingles or roofing felt and duct tape. > >> > > >> > Once the queen is on the frames of comb (you'll see eggs), separate > >> >them. You can put an excluder on the box with frames, then set the upside > >> >down swarm box on it like a super. That way all your brood will hatch out > >> >normally, and you'll be able then to remove the comb and put on normal > >> >supers. Once the brood is emerged you might just want to put the supers on, > >> >then put the swarm box on top. With this honey way above the brood, they > >> >will tend to move it down closer. You can stimulate this tendency by raking > >> >as much of the capped honey as you can with a capping scratcher. > >> > > >> > Moving to a new site is another issue. Once they are well established, > >> >you can move it three feet every couple days, or move it a couple miles away > >> >for a couple weeks, then move it back to the new spot. Article 32275 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: pheromones Date: 31 May 2002 23:06:01 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: <75213ab.0205312206.5b6730e8@posting.google.com> References: <3CECED9A.30625D9B@ntlworld.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022911562 26624 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2002 06:06:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2002 06:06:02 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32275 I disagree. Hormones are regulatory compounds that affect only the organism which produces it (e.g. testosterone in humans). In contrast, phermones are compounds that are produced in one organism but have effects on other organisms of the same or different species (i.e. mating pheromones). In the case of SMR bees, just because there is reduction or absence of mites in brood larva does not mean a "pheromone" was involved. It could be as simple as the living conditions in SMR hives for mites changed so drastically that it is no longer suitable for them to live there either by, reproduction requirements of the mites, food requirements, or even a behavior/phenotypic modification of the host (i.e. certain genes are being bred into the honeybees that make them more hygenic and thus keep the hive clean and free of mites OR the bees blood is unsuitable to be a food source anymore). This can be seen in other traits like some bees are more prone to excess burr comb and propolis; some bees swarm more than others; some strains of bees are black, yellow, etc.. These are all viable possibilies considering how tightly regulated the relationship between the the honeybee and mite are. Eric in K-town adamf@panix2.panix.com.null (Adam Finkelstein) wrote in message news:... > In article , Tim Arheit wrote: > > > >I've been told by an SMR breader (Ohio Queen breeders) that one > >suspected method of mite control that occurs in the SMR bees is smell > >and or pheromones preventing the mites from choosing/finding the > >host larva or laying their eggs at the correct time. The process by > >which SMR bees control mites isn't understood and this is just one > >possible cause. > > I wonder. I'd think that what makes SMR SMR is more of a hormonal > and not pheromonal disruption by the larva to the mites in the > cell. With Insects though, pheromones and hormones are very analogous. > > More complex animals (like us Mammals) have internal "pheromones": hormones. > Adam Article 32276 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: 31 May 2002 23:21:32 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 31 Message-ID: <75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com> References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022912492 27259 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2002 06:21:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2002 06:21:32 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32276 I was reading a book today (written in the UK) that stated that ragwort is a very early bloomer and if supered AFTER it blooms, then the honey produced from it will only be fed to the bees for spring brood build-up. It also said that the honey was not suitable for human consumption, but did not say anything about its effects of bees. Just a suggestion, and it might not be applicable in your situation, but I thought I would drop a line to let you know what I read. Eric in K-town Paul Waites wrote in message news:<3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk>... > Hi all, > > I didn't realise when I first posted how complex the issue is. Now I think about it > logically of course it is. Honey in itself is such a complex substance and very > variable in composition. > > From my own point of view this is the first time that my bees have been taken from an > urban environment and placed in a fallow field that has quite a lot of ragwort. Up > till now I've just extracted all the honey in one go and made a mix. > > I think that I'll keep and eye for any dark honey and keep it separately. I won't > overreact too much but just be careful and I'll look into this subject more. > > Is it the kind of plant that bees will actively forage for? i.e.: I know that if they > find a field of rape then they seem to take the nectar from that at the exclusion of > all other plants in the vicinity. > > Paul. Article 32277 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 33 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 01 Jun 2002 12:49:17 GMT References: <75213ab.0205312206.5b6730e8@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: SMR Queens Message-ID: <20020601084917.04701.00001659@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32277 Hi, We picked up a bunch of SMR (Harbo) Queens This spring. Last summer we tried 4 in a couple of differant yards they did extremly well . Building up quickly and even putting out a surplus of honey from midsummer. So we bit the bullet and ordered 130 from Ca..We made splits and put them in during an 80 degree week the middle of april it then went cold and gave us 5 or so weeks of 40 some degree nights and 60-70 degree days here in southern wisconsin. They hung in there and even thrived. We did have about 10 % dud queens who did not lay or so few that they wouldn't work or were not accepted. or disappered? The breeder was very nice and replaced them while the replacements were not SMR's, they were a hygenic line. The SMRS so far this year have been building up quickly and seem to be very sweet tempered these look a lot like new world carneolians in color (dark or black) but the canies can be a little grumpy if you not careful (compared to Italians). The current problem is getting enough of the SMR's produced. The current years queens are the product of "line breeding" not a concept that I am familar with but appearently involves crossing cusin lines and produces some weak individuals. So these are not a good choise for smaller scale beekeepers YET. But they really are looking good maybe next year or a few years down the road. We are also experimenting with drone brood coome and bottom screen boards to reduce mite populations. Both add to the weekly chores. but better than dumping chemicals on the girls. Is anyone aware that apparently there is new regulations comming into affect in september for the organic food that has a standard for organic honey? I have 16 hives on some land that the owners are rasing organic produce and chickens ( durn tasty chickens) was telling me that a bunch of new regulations comming into effect with a standard for organic honey. Chweers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 32278 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:16:54 +0100 Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> <75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-930.blastoise.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1022951868 7179 217.135.45.162 (1 Jun 2002 17:17:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2002 17:17:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32278 Ragwort blooms late - usually from mid-July through into August. Peter Edwards "Eric Vincill" wrote in message news:75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com... > I was reading a book today (written in the UK) that stated that > ragwort is a very early bloomer and if supered AFTER it blooms, then > the honey produced from it will only be fed to the bees for spring > brood build-up. It also said that the honey was not suitable for > human consumption, but did not say anything about its effects of bees. > Just a suggestion, and it might not be applicable in your situation, > but I thought I would drop a line to let you know what I read. > > > > Eric in K-town > > Paul Waites wrote in message news:<3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk>... > > Hi all, > > > > I didn't realise when I first posted how complex the issue is. Now I think about it > > logically of course it is. Honey in itself is such a complex substance and very > > variable in composition. > > > > From my own point of view this is the first time that my bees have been taken from an > > urban environment and placed in a fallow field that has quite a lot of ragwort. Up > > till now I've just extracted all the honey in one go and made a mix. > > > > I think that I'll keep and eye for any dark honey and keep it separately. I won't > > overreact too much but just be careful and I'll look into this subject more. > > > > Is it the kind of plant that bees will actively forage for? i.e.: I know that if they > > find a field of rape then they seem to take the nectar from that at the exclusion of > > all other plants in the vicinity. > > > > Paul. Article 32279 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How can you deal with ticks? Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:09:27 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-179.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32279 I have started two hives (they have been going since late April) and the location of the hives is in an area where there are a lot of ticks. When I go out to check on the bees (even if only for a few minutes) I come back with 30-50 ticks on me. Since I'm wearing full coverage clothes they usually don't make it inside to my skin, but I still have to clean them off my clothes. Since I REALLY hate ticks I need to find a way to deal with them and at the same time not harm/effect the bees. A veterinarian told me I could broadcast "slacked lime sulfur" on the ground around the hives. He said that it would drive away the ticks but wouldn't harm the bees. Has anyone heard of this? Does it work? Article 32280 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SMR Queens Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 6 Message-ID: <3368-3CF920CD-344@storefull-2295.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <20020601084917.04701.00001659@mb-co.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQQXZMsI5c0HClw3ZcG4elT/5JmjAIVAKrKI0AMO+WBmaaz3QWmzYFP1jbf Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.icl.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32280 Were these AI queens or open mated queens. I do not understand why hobby keepers should not try SMR queens, it would seem they are the ones to try because they could stand a poor year a lot better than someone who is depending one the bees for making a living. How are your SMRs compared to non SMRs doing. Article 32281 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What Kind of Drone?????? Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:02:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2599.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1022961777 5377 128.173.37.153 (1 Jun 2002 20:02:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 20:02:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32281 First let me be sure of one fact. Is it not so that a Queen purchased by mail that comes in the little cage with a half dozen workers and a candy plug has already had her flight with the drones and does not normally leave the hive if successfully introduced to the hive????? If that is correct and one orders a specific kind of queen from a bee company that handles italians, caucasians, starlines, midnights, etc., how in blazes does the supplier assure that the Queen has mated with a drone of the same variety???? And if that is controlled then what is a "Double Midnight-Starline Hybrid" Is that like a Starline Queen mated with Midnight drones or vice versa. And does the queen really need more than one good drone? I would suppose that a bee company that handles only italians just lets the queens fly and take pot luck??? Is that so? If so and the bee company is in the deep American South where Africanized colonies now exist how do you know you are not getting a queen mated with an Africanized drone??? Too many questions, I know...sorry. Article 32282 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee Quick Lines: 9 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:39:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.183.207 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1022963988 67.227.183.207 (Sat, 01 Jun 2002 13:39:48 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 13:39:48 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32282 Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it just clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he deeps... Brian Article 32283 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What Kind of Drone?????? Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 16:37:29 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-179.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32283 I'm a novice (really green) but my understanding is the queens are artificially inseminated. I don't think the suppliers would leave those things to chance. "Jerome R. Long" wrote in message news:adb99g$581$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > First let me be sure of one fact. Is it not so that a Queen purchased by mail > that comes in the little cage with a half dozen workers and a candy plug has > already had her flight with the drones and does not normally leave the hive if > successfully introduced to the hive????? > If that is correct and one orders a specific kind of queen from a bee company > that handles italians, caucasians, starlines, midnights, etc., how in blazes > does the supplier assure that the Queen has mated with a drone of the same > variety???? And if that is controlled then what is a "Double Midnight-Starline > Hybrid" Is that like a Starline Queen mated with Midnight drones or vice versa. > And does the queen really need more than one good drone? I would suppose that > a bee company that handles only italians just lets the queens fly and take pot > luck??? Is that so? If so and the bee company is in the deep American South > where Africanized colonies now exist how do you know you are not getting a > queen mated with an Africanized drone??? > Too many questions, I know...sorry. > > Article 32284 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weeds round the hives Date: 1 Jun 2002 15:09:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206011409.35537e26@posting.google.com> References: <700de225.0205301308.35d37f94@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.139.33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1022969376 2666 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2002 22:09:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2002 22:09:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32284 robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) wrote in message news:<700de225.0205301308.35d37f94@posting.google.com>... > Has anyone solved the problem of the build up of weeds around hives - > I've always been very wary of using a weed killer close to hives and > using the strimmer is always a bit hazardous without a veil, etc. > > Rob > Edinburgh, Scotland do your strimming at dusk when the bees are all safely in. But I would recommend that you make yourself a stand about 18" high and stand your hive on that.All my hives are on such stands, they consist of two lengths of 3 x 2 X 6feet tied together with batons (any size will do as long as they are all uniform) then they stand on two 9" blocks at either end. This give you plenty of room for any other temporary hives you need to find room for and also when you are manipulating hives there is room for equipment. take care and stay lucky Article 32285 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2002 00:05:31 GMT References: <4169b71c.0206011409.35537e26@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Weeds round the hives Message-ID: <20020601200531.18817.00001794@mb-cc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32285 By the time the weeds are a pain you really need to offset the supers to provide an upper entrance and ventillation reducing traffic/congestion in the brood nest. Article 32286 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pavel314" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Ignoring Flowers Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-GC-Trace: gv1-tizG/KAEy5VuDIzq3TFkDUy6pXuAQ7X7OWt Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:29:58 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-BPru9AG5cek3ljyT/n+7evS8Nsrtx5mSZDFluLozN0qoLiX5vR8FpKaQlab5lbW+qWO+noN5OAw3UyB!fEH5yt7cVVv6mfSFXLGz/ZiiOrnevJ6GnhEDdFgIkafGdUeqqkS7TEoZ4aPcA/C7voqMt75lWDOk!4lRIKGrJlTHMP1M= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 01:29:59 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32286 I have two bee hives within twenty feet of my potato patch. I noticed that two rows just blossomed this morning. I was working out in the yard all day and didn't see any bees on the potato flowers; I would have thought they'd be swarming over this convenient flower patch. I've also never seen them on the big rose bush in front of the house or the clover in the orchard. They are coming in and out all day, many with full pollen sacs. Why are they ignoring my local flowers? I was thinking of catching a few in a jar and putting them on the potato flowers and roses, in hopes that they'd go back to the hive and tell their friends. pli Article 32287 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Muddawg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What Kind of Drone?????? Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 01:10:28 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 19 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!teaser.fr!nerim.net!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32287 You can be sure that unless a queen is sold as "artificially inseminated", it is a production queen. The cheapest I have seen artificially inseminated queens is $50 each. Production Queens are "Open-Mated", meaning they mate on the wing with a few to several drones. Mating is controlled as to strain and race by flooding the mating yard with very large numbers of desired drones from drone rearing colonies. This doesn't guarantee that every drone mating with a given queen is the desired strain or race, but greatly limits the possibility of a "wayward" drone. Africanized bees could eventually become a problem for southern package and queen producers since feral colonies generally produce copious supplies of drones, and africanized colonies are extremely prolific swarmers. Hope this has helped. Best Wishes, -- Muddawg Article 32288 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jose Matas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: My bees left me! Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:54:24 +0200 Lines: 68 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.133 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.133 Message-ID: <3cf9eb53$1@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1023011667 212.166.159.133 (2 Jun 2002 11:54:27 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32288 It happend to me with set a hives, we painted them and not waited for a prudential dry out. All six left. Further, yesterday I placed a new queen in previously used (few hours) nucleus and they did not want to stay... it seems it was marked with pheremons, they just got out and set just under de hive suport. This morning they accepted the old house without a problem, I wait form them to "mark" it, a few bees should show their behing up "marking" the new site. Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain. Jose Matas. "Ken Bullock" escribió en el mensaje news:WmoJ8.1227$f52.140998@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > I have never heard of that happening before, if the queen was laying she > should not have been able to fly well and would not likely leave. > > I can't imagine what would cause them to leave. I wonder if they left any > brood and honey stock behind. > > I have had hives that the queen died and there was no brood and the bees > still stuck around for the honey stocked up. Go figure.... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > "Eric Peterson" wrote in message > news:ericgrog-2905022159190001@192.168.0.21... > > I'm a first-time beekeeper and got a new batch of bees (4 lb + queen). I > > followed all the directions and got them into the hive (Pierco black > > plastic frames). A week later they were all seemingly doing well, (though > > I did have to move the hive onto a small table to take care of ants.) > > Weather was beautiful, and the flowers are all blooming (though I also had > > 50% sugar water for them.) > > > > After about 10 days, I wanted to go in and check out the queen. Lo and > > behold, all my bees were gone! Called up the folks that sent my bees to > > me and they said that though it was rare for bees "not to like a hive", it > > wasn't unheard of. > > > > Any other ideas, and or suggestions as to what I can do next year to keep > > this from occuring again?! > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Eric > > > > -- > > Eric Peterson > > Camarillo, CA > > ericgrog@yahoo.com Article 32289 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: clash of cultures Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 07:47:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1023018755.178333@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 5 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32289 see "CALIFORNIA CULTURES: Almonds succeed where honey fails / Chinese imports rile state's beekeepers" at: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/05/28/MN28496.DTL Article 32290 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What Kind of Drone?????? Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 10:56:19 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-027.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!cyclone.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32290 Helps me a lot anyway. I didn't think queens would be mated that way since it is so "chancey" in getting results. I certainly haven't paid $50 for my queens so they must be the "Open-Mated" variety. "Muddawg" wrote in message news:ufjd9n8me7cbd@corp.supernews.com... > You can be sure that unless a queen is sold as "artificially inseminated", > it is a production queen. The cheapest I have seen artificially inseminated > queens is $50 each. > > Production Queens are "Open-Mated", meaning they mate on the wing with a few > to several drones. Mating is controlled as to strain and race by flooding > the mating yard with very large numbers of desired drones from drone rearing > colonies. This doesn't guarantee that every drone mating with a given queen > is the desired strain or race, but greatly limits the possibility of a > "wayward" drone. Africanized bees could eventually become a problem for > southern package and queen producers since feral colonies generally produce > copious supplies of drones, and africanized colonies are extremely prolific > swarmers. Hope this has helped. > > Best Wishes, > -- > Muddawg > > Article 32291 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee-Quick Date: 2 Jun 2002 09:29:43 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-567.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.he.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!199.106.71.17!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32291 Brian: You may want to check out http://www.bee-quick.com for some hints on how to insure that you clear only one super at a time. The main point is to use it sparingly, as we stress here http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/much.html and here http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/use.html Article 32292 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ILLEGAL ENTRY Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee's Arrested at Border Message-ID: <020620021259320272%illegal@entry.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/4.2.5 Lines: 6 Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:00:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 161.184.141.129 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1023044413 161.184.141.129 (Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:00:13 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 13:00:13 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32292 Just watched a Canadian newscast where they mentioned that a shipment of about 230 bees was stopped at a small border crossing and the Canadian Bee keeper ( farmer ) charged under various Canadian laws. Turns out this is the second time in recent weeks that a shipment of Bees has been confiscated in Western Canada. Article 32293 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Ignoring Flowers Date: 2 Jun 2002 12:22:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206021122.7cb3ca6e@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.151.230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023045733 23966 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2002 19:22:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2002 19:22:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32293 "Pavel314" wrote in message news:... > I have two bee hives within twenty feet of my potato patch. I noticed that > two rows just blossomed this morning. I was working out in the yard all day > and didn't see any bees on the potato flowers; I would have thought they'd > be swarming over this convenient flower patch. > > I've also never seen them on the big rose bush in front of the house or the > clover in the orchard. They are coming in and out all day, many with full > pollen sacs. > Why are they ignoring my local flowers? I was thinking of catching a few in > a jar and putting them on the potato flowers and roses, in hopes that they'd > go back to the hive and tell their friends. > > pli Bees will always go to the flowers that give the most nectar, perhaps your local flowers dont oblige? Clover needs about 70 degrees to give a nectar flow sufficient for the bees to work it, hows the temperature where you are? is it white or red clover? I have never heard of bees working potatoes. take care and stay lucky Article 32294 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <020620021259320272%illegal@entry.com> Subject: Re: Bee's Arrested at Border Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <9HuK8.2901$f52.317298@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:51:33 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.164.251.11 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1023047493 198.164.251.11 (Sun, 02 Jun 2002 16:51:33 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 16:51:33 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32294 We (Canadians that is) are not even allowed to transport bees to certian other provinces. Crossing the US border with bees is a serious offence aswell..... Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books "ILLEGAL ENTRY" wrote in message news:020620021259320272%illegal@entry.com... > Just watched a Canadian newscast where they mentioned that a > shipment of about 230 bees was stopped at a small border > crossing and the Canadian Bee keeper ( farmer ) charged > under various Canadian laws. Turns out this is the second > time in recent weeks that a shipment of Bees has been > confiscated in Western Canada. Article 32295 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: The Continuing Adventures of a Rookie and his Bees X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3CFA7742.1838F06E@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 19:51:30 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-la!propagator-la!news-in.superfeed.net!news-in-la.newsfeeds.com!sea-feed.news.verio.net!xyzzy!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:446 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32295 Don, You didn't mention brood. You should be on the lookout for eggs and larva in the cells, and at the entrance, bees carrying in pollen to feed brood. This is the ultimate sign that your hive is on track. If your swarm was a primary one, you should see eggs in the cells within a week of hiving them. An after-swarm with a virgin queen can take over two weeks. If you find healthy eggs and larva, it isn't necessary to find the queen to know she's there. Regards, Billy Smart Rock, KS Article 32296 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 23 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2002 20:13:08 GMT References: <3368-3CF920CD-344@storefull-2295.public.lawson.webtv.net> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: SMR Queens Message-ID: <20020602161308.20042.00001685@mb-mc.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!iad-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32296 Hi, lets see if I can get this answered. The cost of 130 queens with shipping was over $1300 or around a ten spot each Cheap AI queens cost at least $50 each or $6,500. Expensive ones average $200 each or would have been $26,000 and AI's have a high incidense (from my reading ) of damage while being inseminated (like 30-50%.) So like most things if the question is why did they do that, money is likely to be the answer! Someone with two or three hives is less likely to experiment with there entire production (at least it would seem to me). That I'm enough of a nut to try the new scientific approaches should be apparent. Please don't think if you wish you shouldn't take these chances. just its still a risky business. It is still much to early to say one way or the other. Honey production is only one factor for us. Others being surviving Wisconsin winters . Mite resistance and diseace resistance. With there natural hygenic behavor of the cariolians and there natural handling of AFB and EFB. Adding mite resistance is a big plus. Now if they can learn to handle mites and small hive bettels maybe we can get rid of all the damn drugs and chemicals. Cheers, Dave In Madison,WI USA Article 32297 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Continuing Adventures of a Rookie and his Bees Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <3CFA7742.1838F06E@boeing.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 90 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:27:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.215 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023053221 209.204.149.215 (Sun, 02 Jun 2002 14:27:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 14:27:01 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:447 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32297 In article <3CFA7742.1838F06E@boeing.com>, Billy Smart wrote: > Don, > > You didn't mention brood. You should be on the lookout for eggs and > larva in the cells, and at the entrance, bees carrying in pollen to feed > brood. This is the ultimate sign that your hive is on track. If your > swarm was a primary one, you should see eggs in the cells within a week > of hiving them. An after-swarm with a virgin queen can take over two > weeks. > > If you find healthy eggs and larva, it isn't necessary to find the queen > to know she's there. At the time I wrote that message, I saw no sign of eggs or larvae, just bees and bees and bees, and a few more bees :) Some (not all, but at least a few) of the foragers that are going out are returning with loads of pollen in their baskets, but that's been the case since the morning after I got the swarm into the hive. It's been a full week now, so I imagine it's time for me to lift the lid again, and see if I can spot some "propogation" going on. I'll be holding out for another couple of days, though. Monday is payday, and I plan on heading over to the next town, where there's a Dadant shop, and getting basic gear. I also want to get some different foundation - What I've got in the frames right now is a mixture of some sort of evil white plastic (not full plastic cell comb, but definitely a heavy plastic base) and old duragilt that's heat-warped out of shape. The hive, as mentioned, came from a retired fellow, and it was a "Hey, what's the story on that batch of hives witting there on the edge of the field? They look pretty abandoned, other than the one there on the end with bees around it. Would you mind if I take some home with this load of hay I'm getting from you?" situation. They'd been sitting there on the edge of his alfalfa field since a month or two after the near-fatal reaction he had (3-4 years before), slowly trying to weather away. I took apart several of the obviously uninhabited ones, sorted out the best woodenware I could find and fit into the cab of the truck with me, and ended up with a single good bottom (base plus deep body nailed together) another good deep body, 20-odd frames that were decent, other than the comb basically being heat-slumped down into a nasty looking wad of slag at the bottom of each side, and a cover. Figured that was plenty to get my feet wet. Brought everything home, scraped and hot-watered the melted wax away, took a blowtorch to the inside of the bodies and base to kill any potential "leftover yuck" that might have arrived during the years that they'd been sitting idle, and basically did the best job I could of getting the stuff usable again. That was just over a year ago. I've been trying to catch up with a swarm ever since, but the feral colony in the oak tree out back just hasn't been cooperating... It's been throwing good-sized swarms on a fairly regular basis for the last 3 years that I know about, and perhaps longer before I actually noticed it was there. But until last week, not a one of them that I've spotted has been anywhere even *SORT OF* approaching "reachable". There've been swarms I've watched come out of that tree that have settled 3-4 branches over from where the main colony is (About 30 feet off the ground in an ancient live-oak tree - Trust those for climbing around in *ALMOST* as far as you can spit, if you value your life) They've slid over a couple of trees and parked there for a time, 30-40 feet in the air, they've boiled out of the colony and vanished over the ridge, never to be heard from again, they've settled on the end of the TV antenna's boom (about 8 feet away from the tower, which is 30 or so feet high) Basically, they've settled all over the place, but none of those places has been accessible until last weekend when they picked a manzanita bush near my horse's pen. Anyway, once get over to Dadant and I've got at least a decent veil, I'll feel a *LOT* better about lifting the lid and pulling frames. So far, either the bees have been exceptionally docile, I've been exceptionally lucky, or (swelled head alert!!!) I'm a natural as a beekeeper. :) I don't know which, it is, or if it's a combination, but so far, I've had no offers to sting me. They've been very tolerant of my fumblings, including the incident yseterday where I managed to lose my grip on the feeder bottle and drop it on the top of the hive. They made some seriously grumpy noise for a half minute or so, and several came to check me out, but apparently decided I wasn't a threat. (thankfully... Being the fool I am, and figuring "I'm just filling the syrup bottle - I don't need to "get dressed" for an operation THAT simple", I was wearing nothing but jeans, a T-shirt and a black baseball cap) After they buzzed around me for a minute or so, it was "back to business" for them. Meanwhile, I was wondering how I'd managed to get away with it! :) All's well that ends well, I guess. :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32298 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Weeds round the hives Date: 2 Jun 2002 15:11:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <700de225.0206021411.1bb3fbbe@posting.google.com> References: <4169b71c.0206011409.35537e26@posting.google.com> <20020601200531.18817.00001794@mb-cc.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.9.79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023055898 31571 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2002 22:11:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2002 22:11:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32298 beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote in message news:<20020601200531.18817.00001794@mb-cc.aol.com>... > By the time the weeds are a pain you really need to offset the supers to > provide an upper entrance and ventillation reducing traffic/congestion in the > brood nest. Well obviously nobody is supportive of using a weed killer, that's sure. The sitation isn't made any easier by having smallish garde and the hives are placed against the fence into a totally unused and unmaintained field. I weed kill the rest of the boundary but in front of the hives its a mess and unfortunately there's a climbing weed that takes over the fence as well. Raising the hives won't really work nor slabs in this circumstance - so it'll just have to be the strimmer. I've never heard of off-setting the supers - is this something which is viable in Scotland with our unpredicatable weather ? Rob Article 32299 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fcooke@lineone.net (Freddie Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: UK beekeeper - 19queen cells over 5 frames? Date: 2 Jun 2002 15:37:12 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1b093a58.0206021437.487d383f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.64.160.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023057432 32716 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2002 22:37:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2002 22:37:12 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32299 I found nineteen queen cells in various stages of construction over five brood frames today. Two of them have opened recently, (they still have flaps attached}, and another three are still sealed. Does this mean that they have been formed after the emergence of previous queens? Am I right in supposing that this indicates a propensity to swarm. Am I also right to be surprised at the number of cells formed in just sixteen days since last checking the brood chamber? Article 32300 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 8 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: timmdwill@aol.com (Timmdwill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 02 Jun 2002 22:38:06 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Foundation and extra entrances Message-ID: <20020602183806.28230.00001459@mb-mh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32300 #1. What is the best foundation to use if you plan on using an extractor? #2. Someone mentioned an extra entrance at the top of the second story brood box for winter ventilation, to control heat and humidity, where does it go and how big, also would this make a good secondary entrance when there is a flow on? Julie W. Article 32301 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Rock Garden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lawn care - was Bumblebees and tomato pollination Lines: 93 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <0JAK8.99852$Kp.10294567@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 21:43:08 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-6qb0gEJO0jaaHQI/WoewdKuzuKGxpF+kvMCsnck/ZVDBxI04S6ChbZqP8KeCno6/8SHFFWUSLlupDuh!X6HKEkcYYZNWibZcZnDHsVj2S0jNbgmXOyKSq9Flh23b6oS1HC3l3t0/Xh1OVqa0+/sg3Qf5p2e8!8/n6JIGAoUWU X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 02:43:08 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32301 "Dave Green" > Tomatoes are pollinated by motion, which can be supplied by wind or > humans using vibrators. But a sonicating bee is the best tomato pollinator > of all. In its native range in South America the wild progenitor of the > tomato was buzz pollinated, but the species of bee was not carried around > the world along with the tomato plants. It's sonication frequency was > perfect for maximum pollen release. > > Bumblebees, however do a creditable job of buzz pollinating. They hang > from the flower (which bends into a perfect position for pollen release) and > vibrate their wing muscles without flying. This is called sonication. > Honeybees have been known to sonicate on rare occasions, but they don't > commonly do it at all. > > Tomato stamens do not have the pollen at the surface of the anthers like > most flowers. The pollen is inside, and it requires motion to release it > thru pores in the anther. > Tomato pollination graphics: http://www.pollinator.com/tomato.htm Thanks Dave. It's nice to learn all folk lore isn't gospel, especially when you can back it up with facts. Since you're back on line for a while perhaps we can finish up a thread that was started over on misc.rural a while back, but never tied up. I forget all the details, but someone asked about spraying pesticides and you made your usual excellent reply in regards to protecting the bees. I posted a query, meant for you to run with, about how best to control dandelions and clover in lawns without harming the bees, but evidently about that time you decided to go fishing as you never posted a reply. How 'bout it? What advice do you (or anyone else) have for the average home owner who isn't willing to live with the dandelions and/or clover in the lawn and isn't about to dig them out by hand, but is willing to be educated as to how he/she can get rid of it without killing off the bees? Skip Skip & Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, WA http://www.povn.com/rock/ Article 32302 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MY FREE BEES Lines: 21 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 06:12:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023084772 67.227.197.199 (Sun, 02 Jun 2002 23:12:52 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 23:12:52 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!novia!novia!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32302 Well the free bee swarm that moved into the hive that I was not ready to use 2 weeks ago I took 2 of the westerns ( 6 5/8 supers) off and shook almost all the bees out and then set the 2 nearly empty westerns near the front entrance so the straglers could go find the rest of the brood.. Well finaly one of them is empty and I moved it far far far away from the rest of the bees, other than an ocastional bee buzzing aroung it no one seems interested except the ants... ( im not sure twhat to do about them) the other western still had 4 frames packed with bees now so I decided to try a experiment ( well to me its an experiment) I put this western on top of the empty hive and puffed a few bellows of smoke over them, I left the top cover off for the rest of the day and went back after dark and covered them up, I took the sgeestion of using match sticks to help them gets some ventalation, I also stuck a entrance feeded at the front door... hopefully they will find their way to it and empty it quickly, the other hive is going through surip like its gold, about 1 quart a day, if its raining out ive seen it empty 2 in a day... Brian Article 32303 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeders Lines: 14 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 06:15:50 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.199 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023084950 67.227.197.199 (Sun, 02 Jun 2002 23:15:50 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 23:15:50 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32303 I was wondering what people here thought about feeders, How do you make your suyup? I was told 1:1 sugar water but it seems to runny for me... I am using some that was given to me and its almost all gone.... I have 2 entrance feeders, on the new hive I stuck it in the entrance, on the swared hive I put it up on top cause there is a ton of traffic in and out so I felt they may need the most space... once hive #2 getts larger I will move theirs to the top.... Brian Article 32304 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bud1941@webtv.net (John Partin) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: SMR Queens Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 04:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 13 Message-ID: <14657-3CFB2D63-593@storefull-2294.public.lawson.webtv.net> References: <20020602161308.20042.00001685@mb-mc.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAyD6+xWr5klAFXzKbBu3AAzTXgakCFFS2Zu+H0yZ93ajJ3UlO6Aq5912d Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news.dra.com!news.mainstreet.net!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!webtv.net!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32304 Looks like to me you are risking some where around $13000 or what the hives should make if given proven type queens. This would be compared to $20 a hobby keeper would risk if they had four hives and put two SMR in two of them. I think it is great that you are trying so many it will sure make up your mind one way or another. $13000 is a goodly sum to most of us bee keepers. The things I would like to know is will lay real good patterns, will they accept a cell good, and will they fight AFB good, I can handle the other problems. Keep us informed on how they are doing, It is beekeepers like you that I like to here from. If you can make it work I might try it. Article 32305 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drezac@greenapple.com (Duane Rezac) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Advice on Re-Queening Date: 3 Jun 2002 04:18:25 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 37 Message-ID: <7ec141c5.0206030318.372fbb2c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023103105 1019 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2002 11:18:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2002 11:18:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32305 Here's my problem - I was attempting to start a split for my son from my hive and during the process it looks like I must have rolled my queen. Our local inspector was out and on his report noted that there was no sign of a queen in the hive (I thought he was refering to the split nuc, since I had just checked it a few days before, and found no sign of a queen). I decided to try again, and when I checked my hive last night to look for a frame of uncapped brood, I found that he was refering to my hive - no sign of brood in any stage, anywhere in the hive. I'm working on getting 2 queens sometime this week, one for the nuc (where I'm certain there is no queen), and one for my hive (I'm not sure the queen I had was that good anyway, the brood pattern this year was not that good, and their not drawing good comb). My hive has a few empty queen cells, but no sign of a laying queen. I'm not too worried about re-queening the nuc, as they never really had a queen, but would like any advice on how to proceed with my hive. Most postings I have read suggest having brood, but I don't have any at all in this hive (but I might "steal" a frame from my other son's hive if I must, but I'd rather not take the chance of rolling another queen right now). Any suggenstions? Thanks. Duane Rezac drezac@greenapple.com Article 32306 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Hagerty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping questions Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:24:39 -0500 Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-145.newsdawg.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!enews2 Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32306 This spring I split my hives and requeened all from Italian to the Carnolian. I find that the Carnolians have less of the varroa mites, actually I have not seen any. They seem cleaner. Now to my questions. 1. Some of my hives have full brood chambers, do I need to split them up again? Would I be better off adding another brood chamber and let them work on it, moving some of the brood into the newly added one? 2. I heard that the Carnolians were succeptible to swarming, but I didn't realize that they were this bad. It seems that every time I go in it them, I'm finding queen cells in the making which I remove. It doesn't seem to matter whether they have plenty of room or not. Is there any way to curb this? 3. The honey flow seems to be over for the most part, do I need to remove all empty supers even though they're not filled? I've noticed that bees are starting to gnaw on the foundation that hasn't been worked out. None of my hives have a full super on them, is this normal after splitting? They started out with about 3-4 frames of brood each in the beginning. By the way, I'm in Tennessee. Thanks for your help Steve Article 32307 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Jun 2002 12:19:34 GMT References: <700de225.0206021411.1bb3fbbe@posting.google.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Weeds round the hives Message-ID: <20020603081934.25288.00002381@mb-fz.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32307 >I've never heard of off-setting the supers - is this something which >is viable in Scotland with our unpredicatable weather ? > All you do is pull the first super back 3/4 " and it provides an entrance across the top of the brood chamber. Who has predictable weather? Article 32308 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 03 Jun 2002 12:25:32 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beekeeping questions Message-ID: <20020603082532.25288.00002382@mb-fz.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32308 I have been trying out carnis and they sure build up fast in the spring. Two of my swarms filled a medium super each in about 9 days. For swarm control you need to keep congestion in the brood nest to a minimum. This means drawn comb for the bees to lay in and drawn comb in supers. Article 32309 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do you make a queen excluder? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 15:17:28 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 112 Message-ID: References: <01RJ8.1931$f52.217818@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023131851 34417349 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32309 Ken, I was just interested to hear what you had to say about QE and bees not tending to move up. As there are many ways to manipulate them to work for you other than Honey Excluders. I noticed your name appear in April as what appeared to be a new beekeeper with questions about making a split. Are your hives built up enough for your bees to be moving up into supers? You mention you were splitting your one hive into 3 nucs in your message and you were awaiting some more nucs to arrive. I wouldn't count them out as there are just as many reason to use them as I am sure there are to not use them. Some folks will let their bees move up into the supers and once working the supers will verify that there isn't a queen up in them then put the excluder on. Others may tell you to put the excluder on the opposite way that it is design which will leave the front and rear of the hive open... saying that the queen will not move up the sides... In this case there are many ways to skin a cat. OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:01RJ8.1931$f52.217818@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Beefarmer, I don't mean to sound like I know anything about bees, except for > what I have read and been told. I have little experiance with them and I am > a complete novice. I only write any comments I might have to be helpful and > voice only my opinion. > > I have been making my living making wooden bowls for the last 10 years and > still don't consider myself an expert because all I know is what works for > me. > > I only have 9 hives and the ones with extruders have no bees in the top > super and the foundation is untouched. The ones without the extruders are > 1/4 full and the foundation is well built up. All hives came from the same > source. In my observation hive I have never spotted the queen on the second > or third frame, she is on the bottom frame exclusively. > > So, I know not what I is right or wrong, just what I have seen and > experianced. As with most thing there is no right or wrong, but rather what > works for you ....... Cheers... Ken....... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > "BeeFarmer" wrote in message > news:ad7o0k$urn7n$1@ID-66812.news.dfncis.de... > > Ken your advice is rather pointed how long have you NOT been using Queen > > Excluders in comparison to Using Queen Excluders for comparison that makes > > you feel bees tend not to bother going up through them unless they have > to. > > > > -- > > OhioBeeFarmer > > Getting kids involved in Beekeeping > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html > > http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html > > > > > > > > "Ken Bullock" wrote in message > > news:hvIJ8.1670$f52.194207@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > > I don't think you could make them for what they cost to buy. Then you > > would > > > have to be certian that you had the correct diamention, hard to do in > wood > > > or wire. For 2 or 3 dollars, you might just as well buy one. > > > > > > I personnally don't use them, as the bees tend not to bother going up > > > through them unless they have to.... Ken... > > > > > > -- > > > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "rad0" wrote in message > > > news:ad7ab3$uor$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net... > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I want to make a queen barrier between the brood > > > > chamber and the honey chamber. How are these > > > > made? What dimensions or diameters for the > > > > holes are needed? Do you normally make a slotted thing > > > > or a board with a bunch of holes, or what? > > > > > > > > And what material is best? Does it have to be wooden so the > > > > bees can grab onto it? Or is plastic OK? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32310 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: UK beekeeper - 19queen cells over 5 frames? Date: 3 Jun 2002 15:21:34 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206031421.1be996e9@posting.google.com> References: <1b093a58.0206021437.487d383f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.159.190.108 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023142895 2000 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2002 22:21:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2002 22:21:35 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32310 fcooke@lineone.net (Freddie Cooke) wrote in message news:<1b093a58.0206021437.487d383f@posting.google.com>... > I found nineteen queen cells in various stages of construction over > five brood frames today. Two of them have opened recently, (they > still have flaps attached}, and another three are still sealed. Does > this mean that they have been formed after the emergence of previous > queens? > Am I right in supposing that this indicates a propensity to swarm. Am > I also right to be surprised at the number of cells formed in just > sixteen days since last checking the brood chamber? We had a similar thing at our branch apiary in north devon last week. we normally check our hives on a weekly basis but were delayed by bad weather for one week. when we were cutting out the not wanted sealed queen cells they were hatching out and running over our hands, thats not often seen. We dont normally get a lot of swarming but it does happen if you dont keep an eye on them about this time of the year.. It just proves that sixteen day inspections are too long at swarming time. Article 32311 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic Acid- a bit more info Date: 3 Jun 2002 16:05:30 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0206031505.4c7eb72f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023145530 4187 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2002 23:05:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2002 23:05:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32311 A few folks have asked in the past where they can buy Oxalic Acid in the US. Here's one source I checked out. Go to an auto parts store and look for Prestone(R) Heavy Duty Cooling System Cleaner. It's a dry crystal product, packaged in a can. (Yellow, of course.) You open one end and there is Oxalic Acid crystals. The other end has sodium carbonate neutralizer. I went to the Prestone web site and requested the MSDS sheets. It shows the acid part to be "90 to 98 percent Oxalic Acid". The remainder is Magnesium Aluminum Silicate and non-ionic surficants. I'm not a chemist, but I would imagine the Magnesium Aluminum Silicate is also added as a surficant. Anyway, if you only need a small amount, this seems to be a somewhat pure source of Oxalic Acid that could be purchased easily. One other thing that caught my interest on the MSDS sheet, under "Stability and Reacitvity", it says "Decomposition Products: Thermal decomposition will yield oxides of carbon and formic acid." I wonder if this stuff works against mites by breaking down into formic acid? Nuc. Article 32312 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: fcooke@lineone.net (Freddie Cooke) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation and extra entrances Date: 3 Jun 2002 16:48:21 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1b093a58.0206031548.306e2980@posting.google.com> References: <20020602183806.28230.00001459@mb-mh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.65.92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023148101 6238 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2002 23:48:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2002 23:48:21 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32312 Hi Julie, I would always recommend using wired foundation in super frames. This is especially beneficial in supporting the comb when extracting honey in a tangental extractor. Even so it is important to keep the revolutions down to the lowest possible in order to prevent the distortion and possible break up of the comb. I remember reading an article on suplementary entrances some years ago in the British Beekeepers Association's digest. Several experienced beekeepers said they were unable to prove any advantage whereas the extra entrances increased the incidence of robbing. I presume there would be a consequent increase in the numbers of bees required for guard duty. Best wishes Freddie Cooke. UK Beekeeper based near Shifnal in Shropshire. Article 32313 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 8th day hive check - Advice, please? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 135 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:39:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.216 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023154785 209.204.149.216 (Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:39:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 18:39:45 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!news.kjsl.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:451 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32313 Here comes the rookie... Duck 'n cover! :) If you've been following along, you know about the swarm I hived a week ago this past Saturday. Todaywas payday, and after cashing my check, I went over to the Dadant branch in the next town over, and picked up the most basic of basic gear: Their el-cheapo smoker, a hive tool, and a real veil to put over my stetson. The fellow behind the counter took pity on the rookie and threw in a brush, a copy of ABJ, and a copy of their catalog, along with trying to sell me what looked like a thirty pound can of Terramycin, at a price I didn't even want to look at, let alone try to pay. Good gawd! The can he was trying to sell me would've dosed three of my horses for a month, by the look of it! :) Or been a ten lifetime supply for a beekeeper with a whole 4-5 frames worth of bees! :) So I get the goodies home, and I play with firing up the smoker. We've got a nice blow-down oak tree that I haven't gotten around to clearing out (It isn't in the way, so why bother, I figure.) that's got lotsa little twigs, so I lit a twist of newspaper, dropped it in the smoker, then stuffed it full of oak twigs, and started pumping the bellows. Once the open flames had receded to leave me a good bed of coals, I stuffed a double-handful of fresh green grass in, and flipped the lid shut. Sure enough, she smoked like... Well, we won't go to cliche-ville, will we? :) Cutting to the end of the story, the load lasted for as long as I was working with the hive, with a wimpy little thin dribble still trailing out of it after I was done, so I guess I got things right on my first firing. Had to be beginner's luck - especially after some of the grumbling I've heard about how hard a smoker is to get properly stoked. Or maybe the fact that I've built many upon many, and many more campfires over the years, so I know how to lay a decent fire with whatever comes to hand had something to do with it? Either way, I'm not seeing what the "I can't make my smoker smoke" grumbling is based on. Seemed simple enough to me. Anyway, There was a reason behind getting the gear... I wanted to do the 1 week check. So after putting together the veil/stetson combination, suiting up in my two long-sleeve shirts (Remember, Don, the bees will be happier with the light one on the outside...) and taping on my gloves, I went up and cracked the hive open. A few puffs from the smoker, and everybody was down in the frames, and I was able to get to work with only one or two bees buzzing around the area. Just like the last time I looked, the first five (farthest from me) frames were all but completely bee-free. They seem to be using only the near-side frames so far. Unlike last time, there's comb drawn all over the place. And that's where the advice is needed... Of 10 sides of the frame they're using, approximately 5 sides are covered in the "crazy-comb" I described in one of my earlier messages. Two of the frames (9 and 10 of the set, 10 being the closest to me when I work on the hive - it's on the far right side as you stand in front of the hive looking at the entrance) are actually bridged together (Errr... WERE bridged together...) by comb that's drawn perpendicular to the faces of the frames in three locations. And it isn't just "brace" comb... It's full of something that bears a suspicious resemblance to honey. Whether it's my sugar syrup, actual honey, or a mixture is a question I can't answer right now, but it's there. So what (if anything) should I do about this??? Obviously, it's going to make handling the frames harder than it needs to be, not to mention making for grumpy bees if I have to tear up the comb every time I want to do something inside. Should I do a preventative "rip out" now, while initial construction is still going on (maybe remove a couple of the frames that aren't being used yet, and pile the chunks I tear out in the empty space so they cam be recycled? It'd be a shame for 'em to make all that wax, only to have to start from scratch), in hopes that they'll establish a "proper" type of comb when they rebuild, or should I just leave it go as it is? Another frame has one face that's about a 50/50 mix of "normal comb", and what I'm already thinking of as "split-level comb" - There's roughly half-depth of normal comb on the foundation, then it's almost like somebody used a knife to lift a section of that half-comb away from the foundation, and lap it over (but not touching) another section of the frame, where it appears to be getting built out to full-depth cells with a bee-space between it and the foundation. This frame, BTW, is also where I *THINK* I saw my queen - It was really tough to tell for certain, since I didn't get a really good look at her, but, comparing the critter I saw to a "normal" worker, and using wing length as a reference, where the workers' wings end JUST short of the tip of the stinger-end of the abdomen (roughly one pair of bands before the end of the abdomen), this critter's wings ended (comparatively) so short that it looked like she had a second abdomen segment grafted on. This one's abdomen was also much more... Oh... what's the word I want to use? "Pointed" isn't quite right, and neither is "tapered", but they're both real close... The workers have stumpy little rounded or blunt butts, this bee had a long, tapering, almost pointed behind. Between the mass of workers milling around that section, and the "split-level" comb, I wasn't able to get a good look at the head end. Based on a few images I've found online, I'd have to guess that I did indeed spot the queen. None of the cells I could see into showed either eggs or larvae, but with it being only a week, I'm not yet sure whether I should be worried. Some folks here have said it might be as much as 2 weeks before a "new" queen starts laying, so I guess I'll wait at least that long before going into panic mode. For what it's worth, most of the swarm is banded with the "smoky yellow" colors that I think means Italian stock, mixed with a good proportion of almost solid black workers that I think means Carnolians. The (presumed) queen I saw was nearly all black, so I'm not sure *QUITE* what to think I've got anymore. The current batch of workers definitely has the often described "really mellow" temperament that goes with Italians, but... And for what it's worth, only one bee decided to try to sting today, probably because I mooshed her with a clumsy gloved finger as I tried to shoo her out from under the end of the frame so I could set it back in the hive body. I came away with her stinger busily trying to pump poison into the fingertip of the glove. Sheesh... and there I was trying to KEEP from killing her... Ah well... Such is life, I guess. I *AM* a bit worried about something else I noticed, though... Several (A whole helluva bunch on one frame) cells are full of what looks to be mold - greyish-green, some of it looks like it COULD be pollen-balls that went moldy, other cells look like the stuff grew there, rather than being placed. Not sure what, if anything, to think of that... Any ideas for me on that? The workers on those cells didn't appear to be particularly concerned about whatever it was, with several poking their heads in, staying for a moment, then backing out and going on about whatever bee-errands they were on. Perhaps this is the "bee-bread" I've heard of? Meanwhile, thanks for reading, and I'd appreciate any advice you've got to offer. I imagine any other rookies that might be lurking out there would love to hear it, too... These groups could use some more traffic :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32314 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long to liberate queen Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad23e2.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1023157791 5357 128.173.35.226 (4 Jun 2002 02:29:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 02:29:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32314 What is an average time for a queen to be liberated from her little cage when introduced? My experience has been three or four days. Article 32315 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Advice on Re-Queening Date: 3 Jun 2002 20:41:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 17 Message-ID: <75213ab.0206031941.44027d67@posting.google.com> References: <7ec141c5.0206030318.372fbb2c@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023162060 17077 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2002 03:41:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2002 03:41:00 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32315 No brood at any stage huh? I would proceed with causion in introducing a new queen without any brood present. If you have access to a hive with brood/eggs, you could put a few frames in your queenless/broodless hive and see if they start making queen cells. If they do, then cut all the queen cells out and add the queen cage between two frames with brood. Squish the cage a little bit into the brood comb (preferably around brood just about to emerge, don't worry about messing up the comb, the bees will fix that when you take out the cage later on). Remeber to have the hole side up and the cage screen accessible to surrounding bees. Wait 3 to 5 day and remove the cage with as little disturbance as possible. Then wait 7 more days and do a thorough inspection. I lost my queen when I got a split this year. The minute I realized it, I got a queen and did the above with very good sucess. This is just a suggestion. Eric in K-town Article 32316 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "rad0" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How do you make a queen excluder? Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:57:28 -0500 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: c7.ae.b0.b8 X-Server-Date: 4 Jun 2002 04:00:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32316 Do the bees crawl up between the frames or around the ends of the frames? I'm still deciding what I want to try for my queen excluder design. or both? I was thinking of placing two pieces of thin plexiglass over the bottom frames and leaving only the ends open for the workers. Does anyone have any experience with something like this? will it work or not? Thanks Article 32317 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: eric@rain.org (Eric Peterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My bees left me! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.1 Lines: 38 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 04:40:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.63.160.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1023165657 4.63.160.119 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:40:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 00:40:57 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!d58cdffb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32317 Thanks to all that replied -The paint on my hives had been dry for several months, so I don't think that was an issue, but I'll clean things up and I'll see if I can't find a swarm around here, or perhaps a beekeeper I can ask for some bees to try this again. Regards, Eric In article , ericgrog@yahoo.com (Eric Peterson) wrote: > I'm a first-time beekeeper and got a new batch of bees (4 lb + queen). I > followed all the directions and got them into the hive (Pierco black > plastic frames). A week later they were all seemingly doing well, (though > I did have to move the hive onto a small table to take care of ants.) > Weather was beautiful, and the flowers are all blooming (though I also had > 50% sugar water for them.) > > After about 10 days, I wanted to go in and check out the queen. Lo and > behold, all my bees were gone! Called up the folks that sent my bees to > me and they said that though it was rare for bees "not to like a hive", it > wasn't unheard of. > > Any other ideas, and or suggestions as to what I can do next year to keep > this from occuring again?! > > Thanks in advance, > > Eric > > -- > Eric Peterson > Camarillo, CA > ericgrog@yahoo.com -- Eric Peterson eric.grog@verizon.net Article 32318 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3CFBE1D8.2A3DAEAB@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumblebees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 22 Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 06:03:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc03.gnilink.net 1023170587 67.251.117.16 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 02:03:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 02:03:07 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc03.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32318 Last week, I captured a nest of bumblebees, put them in an observation box, mounted it on the north side of my shed, and took the cork out of the entrance hole the following day. The 'hive' is doing fine and is getting more activity as new batches hatch. I had never seen a bumblebee nest, and my husband and I found two in an old chicken house that we are repairing. Unfortunately, we destroyed the first nest before we knew what it was. It was in a rotten floor that we were removing. I discovered the other one behind a crate, and I put my bee suit on that evening and scooped up the nest and young bees. I have 4 stands of honey bees, but I'm also fascinated by the interesting life cycle of the bumblebee, another great pollinator. (I also made a number of 'homes,' 4x4s with holes drilled in them, for the carpenter bees.) Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32319 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CFBE1D8.2A3DAEAB@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: Bumblebees Lines: 36 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:56:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023180966 67.227.197.42 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:56:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:56:06 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32319 Hey, If you have a digi cammera please gets some photos.... Id love to see them... wuffman http://www.wuffman.com "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3CFBE1D8.2A3DAEAB@atlas.localdomain... > Last week, I captured a nest of bumblebees, put them in an observation > box, mounted it on the north side of my shed, and took the cork out of > the entrance hole the following day. The 'hive' is doing fine and is > getting more activity as new batches hatch. > > I had never seen a bumblebee nest, and my husband and I found two in an > old chicken house that we are repairing. Unfortunately, we destroyed > the first nest before we knew what it was. It was in a rotten floor > that we were removing. I discovered the other one behind a crate, and I > put my bee suit on that evening and scooped up the nest and young bees. > > I have 4 stands of honey bees, but I'm also fascinated by the > interesting life cycle of the bumblebee, another great pollinator. > > (I also made a number of 'homes,' 4x4s with holes drilled in them, for > the carpenter bees.) > > Louise > -- > Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to > n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. > | -- Leo Tolstoy > Article 32320 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: My bees left me! Lines: 50 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 08:56:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.42 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023180973 67.227.197.42 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:56:13 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 01:56:13 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32320 Were they packaged bees or in a nuc box? I have talked to several people that are dead set angainst packaged bees, and they swear by nuc boxes, more bees and better success stories, cause you take thier ftames from the nuc box and put them into the hive so they already have their scent on them.... I am also a first year beekeeper but I have been doing alot of homework over the last 2 years and finaly got me 2 hives. One was so good a wild (?) swarm moved into it free of charge.. I am so surprised at how well it is doing... about 2 weeks out now and there is so many bees buzzing around it... I opened it yesterday and it is so full that I stuck another wester ( 6.5/8 supper) on top of it... I have not been able to see the queen yet but the 2 full boxes are packed out... and at leaste 4 iner frames are 90% capped I think that is a good sign... wuffman http://www.wuffman.com "Eric Peterson" wrote in message news:ericgrog-2905022159190001@192.168.0.21... > I'm a first-time beekeeper and got a new batch of bees (4 lb + queen). I > followed all the directions and got them into the hive (Pierco black > plastic frames). A week later they were all seemingly doing well, (though > I did have to move the hive onto a small table to take care of ants.) > Weather was beautiful, and the flowers are all blooming (though I also had > 50% sugar water for them.) > > After about 10 days, I wanted to go in and check out the queen. Lo and > behold, all my bees were gone! Called up the folks that sent my bees to > me and they said that though it was rare for bees "not to like a hive", it > wasn't unheard of. > > Any other ideas, and or suggestions as to what I can do next year to keep > this from occuring again?! > > Thanks in advance, > > Eric > > -- > Eric Peterson > Camarillo, CA > ericgrog@yahoo.com > Article 32321 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lawn care - was Bumblebees and tomato pollination Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 07:27:48 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020523193458.12046.00000459@mb-fe.aol.com> <0JAK8.99852$Kp.10294567@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 114 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32321 Perfect solution for the dandelions, clover even crab grass!. Plamt Zoysia grass and within a few years you'll never seen them in your yard again. Lot's are in my neighbors but I have none in my yard. Chuck TN "The Rock Garden" wrote in message news:0JAK8.99852$Kp.10294567@bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com... > "Dave Green" > > > Tomatoes are pollinated by motion, which can be supplied by wind or > > humans using vibrators. But a sonicating bee is the best tomato pollinator > > of all. In its native range in South America the wild progenitor of the > > tomato was buzz pollinated, but the species of bee was not carried around > > the world along with the tomato plants. It's sonication frequency was > > perfect for maximum pollen release. > > > > Bumblebees, however do a creditable job of buzz pollinating. They hang > > from the flower (which bends into a perfect position for pollen release) > and > > vibrate their wing muscles without flying. This is called sonication. > > Honeybees have been known to sonicate on rare occasions, but they don't > > commonly do it at all. > > > > Tomato stamens do not have the pollen at the surface of the anthers > like > > most flowers. The pollen is inside, and it requires motion to release it > > thru pores in the anther. > > Tomato pollination graphics: http://www.pollinator.com/tomato.htm > > > Thanks Dave. It's nice to learn all folk lore isn't gospel, especially when > you can back it up with facts. > > Since you're back on line for a while perhaps we can finish up a thread > that was started over on misc.rural a while back, but never tied up. I > forget all the details, but someone asked about spraying pesticides and you > made your usual excellent reply in regards to protecting the bees. I posted > a query, meant for you to run with, about how best to control dandelions and > clover in lawns without harming the bees, but evidently about that time you > decided to go fishing as you never posted a reply. > > How 'bout it? What advice do you (or anyone else) have for the average home > owner who isn't willing to live with the dandelions and/or clover in the > lawn and isn't about to dig them out by hand, but is willing to be educated > as to how he/she can get rid of it without killing off the bees? > > Skip > > Skip & Christy Hensler > THE ROCK GARDEN > Newport, WA > http://www.povn.com/rock/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32322 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "RPM1" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 08:17:50 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3CFBE1D8.2A3DAEAB@atlas.localdomain> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 9 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32322 "wuffman" > If you have a digi cammera please gets some photos.... Id love to see > them... Yes, yes! Photos please! Ruth CM Article 32323 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 04 Jun 2002 14:54:07 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Lawn care - was Bumblebees and tomato pollination Message-ID: <20020604105407.03264.00000023@mb-mj.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32323 Zoysia grass is ugly especially in the northeast where it spends most of it's time brown and dormant. If you want to control weeds in cool season turfgrasses set your mower on it's highest setting and let the grass crowd them out. Article 32324 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "David Brookes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 20:14:47 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1788.tiger.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1023207898 10390 62.136.214.252 (4 Jun 2002 16:24:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2002 16:24:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32324 Just bought a bottle myself out of interest. Going to give it a try at the weekend. I've made up 5 fume boards but I'll take my porters along too just in case! I'd be interested to hear how you get on. David Perthshire "wuffman" wrote in message news:oiaK8.1201$v06.1034@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? > > I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it just > clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he > deeps... > > Brian > > Article 32325 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Greg Hupf" From: "Greg Hupf" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020604105407.03264.00000023@mb-mj.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lawn care - was Bumblebees and tomato pollination Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 18:54:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.200.206.13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023216865 67.200.206.13 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:54:25 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:54:25 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a441586b!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32325 A grass that is dormant for a longer period requires less mowing, watering, and fertilizing. Grass that is as thick as zoysia has less weed problems. These are all very attractive qualities in a lawn grass. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020604105407.03264.00000023@mb-mj.aol.com... > Zoysia grass is ugly especially in the northeast where it spends most of it's > time brown and dormant. Article 32326 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How long after a mating flight should I see eggs/brood? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 20:00:00 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 37 Sender: spamblock@spamblock.com Message-ID: Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3879.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1023217097 1813 217.134.111.39 (4 Jun 2002 18:58:17 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2002 18:58:17 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!spamblock.com!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32326 I hail from North Devon, UK. I will apologise for my ignorance, this is my first season [after taking a swarm in Aug 2001]. Our hive swarmed three times in May. On the 8th I wasn't there for the first swarm with the old queen and couldn't find it, inspecting the hive two days later found queen cells aplenty. On the 16th caught the second on a nearby bush only to lose it again when I hived it. We then went into a two week run of cold wind and rain. On Friday 31st I wasn't there again for the third swarm, but was told there was lots of bees, but they weren't seen to settle anywhere and disappeared again quickly. We inspected the next day and found 14 queen cells, four of which looked still sealed, we knocked off all but one. There was no brood left only a few drones, just emerging, which suggests that the last eggs were laid 24 days ago, on the 8th, the day of the first swarm. So if that was the case, that queen cell, even if it was an emergency one should have been vacated. I've been hoping that this last episode was just a mating flight, so I had another look today [Tuesday] and the queen cell was still sealed and there were no eggs to be seen. So the question is, without having spotted a queen, how long should I wait for potential laying before I can safely say that the colony is queenless? And will requeening at this late stage be successful? Or should I be looking for a swarm to combine with it? -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 32327 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Greg Hupf" From: "Greg Hupf" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Lines: 18 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 19:06:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.200.206.239 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023217560 67.200.206.239 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:06:00 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:06:00 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a441586b!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32327 I am not a beekeeper but have been avidly reading up on the subject for about a month. Oxalic acid is a noted chemical used for varroa mite control. (I think) Oxalic acid is the compound responsible for the taste of sourwood leaves and hence the name of the tree. (Based on "Common Forest Trees of North Carolina" produced by North Carolina Department of Environmentand Natural Resources) Sourwood is an attractive plant to bees and produces a quality honey. (I think) Based on the above, do hives that forage on a high percentage of sourwood have higher resistance to varroa mites? Article 32328 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Shawn M." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Leave Well Enough Alone? Lines: 17 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 16:43:02 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:49:02 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!news-east.rr.com!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32328 Dear Steve; Find a local beekeeper to look at your hive. He might be able to remove it and place it in a honey producing hive in your backyard (or the neighbor who likes them). That way you won't have some of the worries expressed by yourself and the other posters. In a year or so he will share some of the honey production. A possible sweet solution. Shawn "Steve Thomas" <70721.602@compuserve.com> wrote in message news:98bfe475.0205251519.5f69d85f@posting.google.com... > Hi: > You guys have probably been pestered with this sort of question Article 32329 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Henderson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:48:53 +1000 Organization: no affiliation Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.138.240.157 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023223987 35260716 144.138.240.157 (16 [83062]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!144.138.240.157!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32329 I wouldn't think many plants put their toxins into their nectar or pollen. Having foliage consumed is destructive to a plant. Having nectar consumed is an advantage. It gets more complex with fruit. Many plants have fruit toxic to mammals but not to birds. This is because mammals chew and digest seeds, whereas they are spread far and wide by birds while remaining viable after passing through the digestive tract. Rhubarb is an example of a plant being very selective about which parts get to have oxalic acid in them. John "Greg Hupf" wrote: > I am not a beekeeper but have been avidly reading up on the subject for > about a month. > > Oxalic acid is a noted chemical used for varroa mite control. (I think) > > Oxalic acid is the compound responsible for the taste of sourwood leaves and > hence the name of the tree. (Based on "Common Forest Trees of North > Carolina" produced by North Carolina Department of Environmentand Natural > Resources) > > Sourwood is an attractive plant to bees and produces a quality honey. (I > think) > > > Based on the above, do hives that forage on a high percentage of sourwood > have higher resistance to varroa mites? Article 32330 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: alhntn@webtv.net (alh-n-tn) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mason Bees Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 19:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Organization: WebTV Subscriber Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6262-3CFD4ED9-792@storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.webtv.net Mime-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhQZNoUq7OBH4avUbszXmlkME+RLqQIVALVbsuTNab5ej8bnBLBRhn8oMgSJ Content-Disposition: Inline Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.kjsl.com!news.spies.com!newssorter-2001.public.lawson.webtv.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32330 Hello, Recently I saw a program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation on pollination and the different kinds of bees farmers use to pollinate their crops. There were three: honey bees, bumblebees, and one I had never heard of, the mason bee. I was really intrigued by the mason bee. Does anyone in this group have any experience with the mason bee? If so, would you please share you knowledge of this fascinating bee. Many thanks. Take Care. alh-n-tn (Lester, the East Tennessee Dude) Article 32331 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long after a mating flight should I see eggs/brood? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:58:24 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.87 X-Server-Date: 5 Jun 2002 04:01:39 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32331 The whole requeening mess, after swarming, is tricky simply because you don't know what the bees have in the works. If you have a queen cell, then let it hatch...after it hatches the queen will usually leave the hive within six days, if the weather is good, to mate. Sometimes they never make it back to the hive, especailly if the hive is close to other hives. If it is just a single hive then the chances are more in your favor. I have had cells that the queen inside had been killed by a previous hatched queen and the bees hadn't got around to cleaning it up. If you are careful, and you know the cell is at least 6-7 days old (a queen cell that has been capped for a few days), you can cut the cell and gently shake it to see if you can hear the pupa inside raddle. If you hear the raddle then you can be mostly assured that the pupa is still alive and may hatch out in a few more days. Replace the cell gently back in its orginal location. I would leave the bees alone for at least a week and see if they get things worked out on there own--usually they work things out better than we can. If, after that time, the cell hasn't hatched and you can't find any evidence of any sort of queen, virgin or mated, then find a replacement. If you check the bees after a week's time, check before 1:00 or after 5:00 since the queen may be gone during this time to mate and you may miss her. The bees will probably bee without much brood during this transition of finding a new queen. It's fairly common after a hive throws a few swarms. You might want to get some brood from a fellow beekeeper to boost the hive until you can get things running smoothly again. If you get any brood check for diseases by examining the larva and capped brood. Two or three frames of brood will probably be enough. Another option is to cut that cell and use it elsewhere and find a replacement queen immediately. This may be more convenient and easier for you. I hope my ramblings help you in some way, Christopher Petree Article 32332 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ericgrog@yahoo.com (Eric Peterson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: My bees left me! Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.4.1 Lines: 69 Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:44:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.63.160.119 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1023252289 4.63.160.119 (Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:44:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:44:49 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!d58cdffb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32332 In article , "wuffman" wrote: > Were they packaged bees or in a nuc box? Packaged. They did stay around for about 10 days - and at least *seemed* to be happy... If only they could talk :-) > I have talked to several people that are dead set angainst packaged bees, > and they swear by nuc boxes, more bees and better success stories, cause you > take thier ftames from the nuc box and put them into the hive so they > already have their scent on them.... I'll see if I can't find another beekeeper around here (anyone in Ventura County, CA listening?) that I can buy a nuc from; I'd rather not wait another year, especially with my current luck with packaged bees. > I am also a first year beekeeper but I have been doing alot of homework over > the last 2 years and finaly got me 2 hives. One was so good a wild (?) > swarm moved into it free of charge.. I am so surprised at how well it is > doing... > about 2 weeks out now and there is so many bees buzzing around it... I > opened it yesterday and it is so full that I stuck another wester ( 6.5/8 > supper) on top of it... > I have not been able to see the queen yet but the 2 full boxes are packed > out... and at leaste 4 iner frames are 90% capped I think that is a good > sign... Sounds good! I should be so lucky - I wonder if there are any scents or potions one can add to a hive to attract a swarm? Thanks for the info and reply. Regards, Eric > "Eric Peterson" wrote in message > news:ericgrog-2905022159190001@192.168.0.21... > > I'm a first-time beekeeper and got a new batch of bees (4 lb + queen). I > > followed all the directions and got them into the hive (Pierco black > > plastic frames). A week later they were all seemingly doing well, (though > > I did have to move the hive onto a small table to take care of ants.) > > Weather was beautiful, and the flowers are all blooming (though I also had > > 50% sugar water for them.) > > > > After about 10 days, I wanted to go in and check out the queen. Lo and > > behold, all my bees were gone! Called up the folks that sent my bees to > > me and they said that though it was rare for bees "not to like a hive", it > > wasn't unheard of. > > > > Any other ideas, and or suggestions as to what I can do next year to keep > > this from occuring again?! > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Eric > > > > -- > > Eric Peterson > > Camarillo, CA > > ericgrog@yahoo.com > > -- Eric Peterson eric.grog@verizon.net Article 32333 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: X-Trace-PostClient-IP: 24.70.196.137 From: "Beeguy" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Lines: 73 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <83hL8.183321$GG6.15340968@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 05:10:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.64.223.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news3.calgary.shaw.ca 1023253828 24.64.223.206 (Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:10:28 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:10:28 MDT Organization: Shaw Residential Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!skynet.be!skynet.be!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news3.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32333 Oxalic Acid is the best Varroa Mites killer. Essential advantages over the actual usually fighting methods are: no delays in the honey, beeswax and propolis very good bee compatibility no early ageing of the bees (important to population of the bees in spring) outside any time of honey-collection usable (admittance still outstanding) high degree of effectiveness , up to 99% and very user kind for the beekeeper. Look at the Internet; Varroa mite control or Oxalic Acid Vaporizer. There are many pages how to tread the bees with Oxalic Acid. Oxalic Acid is in many plants and we eat them every day. I give you a sample: Vegetable/Oxalic acid (g/100 g) --- Amaranth/1.09 - Asparagus/.13 --- Beans, snap/.36 --- Beet leaves/.61--- Broccoli/.19 --- Brussels sprouts/.36 --- Cabbage/.10 --- Carrot/.50 --- Cassava/1.26 --- Cauliflower/.15 --- Celery/.19 --- Chicory/.21 --- Chives/1.48 --- Collards/.45 --- Coriander/.01 --- Corn, sweet/.01 --- Cucumbers/.02 --- Eggplant/.19 --- Endive/.11 --- Garlic/.36 --- Kale/.02 --- Lettuce/.33 --- Okra/.05 --- Onion/.05 --- Parsley/1.70 --- Parsnip/.04 --- Pea/.05 --- Pepper/.04 --- Potato/.05 --- Purslane/1.31 --- Radish/.48 --- Rutabaga/.03 --- Spinach/.97 --- Squash/.02 --- Sweet potato/.24 --- Tomato/.05 --- Turnip/.21 -- Turnip greens/.05. Manfred "John Henderson" wrote in message news:adj9bh$11k29c$1@ID-83062.news.dfncis.de... > I wouldn't think many plants put their toxins into their nectar > or pollen. Having foliage consumed is destructive to a plant. > Having nectar consumed is an advantage. > > It gets more complex with fruit. Many plants have fruit toxic to > mammals but not to birds. This is because mammals chew and > digest seeds, whereas they are spread far and wide by birds while > remaining viable after passing through the digestive tract. > > Rhubarb is an example of a plant being very selective about which > parts get to have oxalic acid in them. > > John > > "Greg Hupf" wrote: > > > I am not a beekeeper but have been avidly reading up on the > subject for > > about a month. > > > > Oxalic acid is a noted chemical used for varroa mite control. > (I think) > > > > Oxalic acid is the compound responsible for the taste of > sourwood leaves and > > hence the name of the tree. (Based on "Common Forest Trees of > North > > Carolina" produced by North Carolina Department of > Environmentand Natural > > Resources) > > > > Sourwood is an attractive plant to bees and produces a quality > honey. (I > > think) > > > > > > Based on the above, do hives that forage on a high percentage > of sourwood > > have higher resistance to varroa mites? > > Article 32334 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:59:36 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Technology Management Ltd Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-238-78.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1023260376 25942 217.34.238.78 (5 Jun 2002 06:59:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:59:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32334 > I think that I'll keep and eye for any dark honey and keep it separately. I won't > overreact too much but just be careful and I'll look into this subject more. It is wise to check your honey, willow herb is terrific if you can get enough, as are many other single flower honey sources but this is difficult in the UK because there is seldom enough of any source to provide more than a couple of frames at a time - apart from OSR and blackberry in my area. Sometimes there is a 'tree honey' which comprises chestnut plus honeydew and this can be quite dark. If you take up showing honey selecting just a few frames and extracting only those can be the way to winning often. > Is it the kind of plant that bees will actively forage for? i.e.: I know that if they > find a field of rape then they seem to take the nectar from that at the exclusion of > all other plants in the vicinity. Bees have intelligence and will always go where the reward is greatest for the expended effort - quite natural really. Keith Article 32335 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:59:37 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Technology Management Ltd Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> <75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com> Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-238-78.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1023260377 25942 217.34.238.78 (5 Jun 2002 06:59:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 06:59:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32335 "Eric Vincill" wrote in message news:75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com... > I was reading a book today (written in the UK) that stated that > ragwort is a very early bloomer and if supered AFTER it blooms, then > the honey produced from it will only be fed to the bees for spring > brood build-up. This is true of any nectar source, if you could get nucs or swarms into lay before OSR flowered they would turn all that nectar into brood rather than lard! > It also said that the honey was not suitable for human consumption, but did not say > anything about its effects of bees. If it does not kill or incapacitate a bee or its brood, why should it harm a human? Keith Article 32336 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6262-3CFD4ED9-792@storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net> Subject: Re: Mason Bees Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:22:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1023265375 24.31.194.116 (Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:22:55 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 04:22:55 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32336 Alternative Pollinators: http://www.pollinator.com/alt_pollinators.htm -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "alh-n-tn" wrote in message news:6262-3CFD4ED9-792@storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net... > > Hello, > > Recently I saw a program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation on > pollination and the different kinds of bees farmers use to pollinate > their crops. There were three: honey bees, bumblebees, and one I had > never heard of, the mason bee. I was really intrigued by the mason bee. > Does anyone in this group have any experience with the mason bee? If > so, would you please share you knowledge of this fascinating bee. > > Many thanks. > > Take Care. > > > alh-n-tn > (Lester, the East Tennessee Dude) > Article 32337 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How long after a mating flight should I see eggs/brood? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 09:35:25 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 45 Sender: spamblock@spamblock.com Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2353.cougar.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1023266783 12750 217.134.233.49 (5 Jun 2002 08:46:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2002 08:46:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!spamblock.com!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32337 On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Christopher Petree wrote: >The whole requeening mess, after swarming, is tricky simply because you don't know what the bees have in the works. >If you have a queen cell, then let it hatch... I suspect it is a dead cell, a sealed queen cell would have been laid anywhere between 8 and 16 day ago and the old queen left 23 days ago. Looking at the rest of the broodbox there is no brood to be seen. >I have had cells that the queen inside had been killed by a previous >hatched queen and the bees hadn't got around to cleaning it up. I suspect that is the case here >I would leave the bees alone for at least a week and see >if they get things worked out on there own--usually they work things >out better than we can. If, after that time, the cell hasn't hatched >and you can't find any evidence of any sort of queen, virgin or mated, >then find a replacement. I'm a bit loathe to leave it much longer, the last queen went out 5 days ago, there's no brood, no laying and no sign of a queen (although a small queen from an emergency cell could easily evade my inexperienced eyes. >If you check the bees after a week's time, check before 1:00 or after >5:00 since the queen may be gone during this time to mate and you may >miss her. The bees will probably bee without much brood during this >transition of finding a new queen. It's fairly common after a hive >throws a few swarms. I think we'll have to make that none. > You might want to get some brood from a fellow beekeeper to boost the >hive until you can get things running smoothly again. Thank you for the advice. -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 32339 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:07:06 -0400 Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023289629 199188 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32339 No. Sourwood is in our area, beekeepers find just as many, if not sometimes more (due to longer honey season) mites on the bees they take to the mountains for sourwood. "Greg Hupf" wrote in message news:sc8L8.1685$9H4.822@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I am not a beekeeper but have been avidly reading up on the subject for > about a month. > > Oxalic acid is a noted chemical used for varroa mite control. (I think) > > Oxalic acid is the compound responsible for the taste of sourwood leaves and > hence the name of the tree. (Based on "Common Forest Trees of North > Carolina" produced by North Carolina Department of Environmentand Natural > Resources) > > Sourwood is an attractive plant to bees and produces a quality honey. (I > think) > > > Based on the above, do hives that forage on a high percentage of sourwood > have higher resistance to varroa mites? > > Article 32340 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:08:33 -0400 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> <75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023289715 209514 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32340 because mammals and insects are affected differently by some toxins. "Keith Hooker" wrote in message news:adkcsp$pam$2@paris.btinternet.com... > If it does not kill or incapacitate a bee or its brood, why should it harm a > human? Article 32341 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8th day hive check - Advice, please? Date: 5 Jun 2002 09:36:15 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 110 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-040.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:472 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32341 Don said: >Here comes the rookie... Duck 'n cover! :) Chin up, you are not doing badly. Your observations and questions are apt, well-reasoned, and well-written These are VERY common concerns for new beekeepers! > ...Their el-cheapo smoker Never buy the cheapest tool. Bigger (smoker) is better. The wire bail is nice to have. The hanger hook on the wire bail is a real pleasure to have. > A few puffs from the smoker, and everybody was down > in the frames, and I was able to get to work with > only one or two bees buzzing around the area. See, you don't need to tape your gloves to your shirt. These are merely bees, not radioactive waste! :) > They seem to be using only the near-side frames so far. Not unusual, as bees work in a rough sphere, which gets larger as population grows. > Unlike last time, there's comb drawn all over the place. That's a good sign. > ...approximately 5 sides are covered in the "crazy-comb" > I described in one of my earlier messages. That's not so good. Clean it up NOW, before it gets out of hand, and push the frames together so the nubs on the sides of the vertical frame ends touch. Somehow, your 10 frames were simply not spaced correctly, and had too much space between the 5 frames where the bees are working. > WERE bridged together...) by comb that's drawn perpendicular > to the faces of the frames in three locations. That happens, sometimes even with correctly drawn comb. No big deal, just do some comb surgery, and enjoy a treat by eating the comb honey scraps. Destroy the evidence!!! :) > Should I do a preventative "rip out" now, while initial > construction is still going on? Yes - the mess will only get bigger if left alone. The only crazy comb that should be left in place is comb that contains eggs or brood. > maybe remove a couple of the frames that aren't being used yet, > and pile the chunks I tear out in the empty space so they can > be recycled? No! Your basic problem is "too much space" between frames, so don't create MORE empty space!!!! Get 10 frames in the hive, and get all the comb that is "off" the foundation out of there, except egg/brood comb, which you will remove after the brood hatches out. But get those frames together, and leave the "space" at the far edges, between the outermost frame and the wall of the hive body. > It'd be a shame for 'em to make all that wax, only to have to > start from scratch), in hopes that they'll establish a "proper" > type of comb when they rebuild, Yes, it would be a shame, but there are many who would react to this by starting them all over on new foundation, replacing all but the properly-drawn comb. I suggest a less drastic approach, since there is no reason why one cannot keep the mess under control, and avoid killing brood. > or should I just leave it go as it is? No, you MUST fix it, either now or later. Now is easier, trust me. >Another frame has one face that's about a 50/50 mix of "normal comb", >and what I'm already thinking of as "split-level comb" Break away the split-level stuff, leave the normal, let them draw out the foundation. If you want to recycle, you can try putting the broken-off comb on the landing board, but don not block too much of the entrance in doing this. > Some folks here have said it might be as much as 2 weeks before > a "new" queen starts laying, Correct. > The current batch of workers definitely has the often > described "really mellow" temperament Yet another reason to fix things now. During a nectar flow, bees are much easier to work with, and you have serious work to do. >Several (A whole helluva bunch on one frame) cells are full of what >looks to be mold - greyish-green, some of it looks like it COULD be >pollen-balls that went moldy, Hard to imagine that mold would appear so quickly, but the bees will clean up what they do not like. You need not worry about it. jim http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32342 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 15 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 05 Jun 2002 17:16:33 GMT References: <83hL8.183321$GG6.15340968@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Message-ID: <20020605131633.13937.00000284@mb-df.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32342 >high degree of effectiveness , up to 99% and very user kind for the >beekeeper. Not in vapor form it isn't! Please read a MSDS sheet on Oxalic Acid before using. . Emergency Overview -------------------------- POISON! DANGER! MAY BE FATAL IF SWALLOWED. CORROSIVE. CAUSES SEVERE IRRITATION AND BURNS TO SKIN, EYES, AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. HARMFUL IF INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. MAY CAUSE KIDNEY DAMAGE. Article 32343 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Quick Lines: 42 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 19:38:39 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.251 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023305919 67.227.219.251 (Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:38:39 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:38:39 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32343 I m planning on trying it this comming sunday.. I have a experiment al hive that all the bees seem to wantto stay in the western and not go down into the 2 deeps, I used match stix to give a ventilation to the top board but the bees are squeezing through the top... they don't even use the fron intrance yet, so I think Ill use the fume board and a wee bit of bee quick. Ill post my findings... How did you make a fume board? I paid 13.00 for mine... Brian "David Brookes" wrote in message news:adipkq$a4m$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > Just bought a bottle myself out of interest. Going to give it a try at the > weekend. > I've made up 5 fume boards but I'll take my porters along too just in case! > I'd be interested to hear how you get on. > > David > Perthshire > > "wuffman" wrote in message > news:oiaK8.1201$v06.1034@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? > > > > I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it > just > > clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he > > deeps... > > > > Brian > > > > > > > Article 32344 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: 5 Jun 2002 16:18:50 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 71 Message-ID: References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-632.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!easynews!cyclone.swbell.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32344 wuffman said: > Im planning on trying it this comming sunday.. > I have a experimental hive that all the bees seem > to want to stay in the western and not go down into > the 2 deeps... If they have brood in the western, are you sure you WANT to try and force them down into the deeps? I doubt that you want them to abandon brood. If the deeps are truly empty, why not try "reversing" the chambers, putting the western on the bottom board, and one of the deeps above? > I used match stix to give a ventilation to the top > board but the bees are squeezing through the top... > they don't even use the front entrance yet, Bees like upper entrances, moreso when that entrance is the closest one to where they have set up shop. > so I think Ill use the fume board and a wee bit of > bee quick. I'll post my findings... Please do not use our product to force a colony away from brood. The primary purpose of Fischer's Bee-Quick is in honey harvesting. >How did you make a fume board? I paid 13.00 for mine... Check out http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/use.html where both fume boards and "breeze boards" are discussed. > >Brian > > > > >"David Brookes" wrote in message >news:adipkq$a4m$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... >> Just bought a bottle myself out of interest. Going to give it a try at the >> weekend. >> I've made up 5 fume boards but I'll take my porters along too just in >case! >> I'd be interested to hear how you get on. >> >> David >> Perthshire >> >> "wuffman" wrote in message >> news:oiaK8.1201$v06.1034@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... >> > Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? >> > >> > I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it >> just >> > clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he >> > deeps... >> > >> > Brian >> > >> > >> >> >> > > Article 32345 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <83hL8.183321$GG6.15340968@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> Subject: Re: Oxalic Acid and Sourwood Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:22:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.128.113 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1023330148 12.81.128.113 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:22:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:22:28 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32345 What, no hyperlink!? -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Beeguy" wrote in message news:83hL8.183321$GG6.15340968@news3.calgary.shaw.ca... > Oxalic Acid is the best Varroa Mites killer. > Essential advantages over the actual usually fighting methods are: > no delays in the honey, beeswax and propolis > very good bee compatibility > no early ageing of the bees (important to population of the bees in spring) > outside any time of honey-collection usable (admittance still outstanding) > high degree of effectiveness , up to 99% and very user kind for the > beekeeper. > > Look at the Internet; Varroa mite control or Oxalic Acid Vaporizer. There > are many pages how to tread the bees with Oxalic Acid. > Oxalic Acid is in many plants and we eat them every day. > I give you a sample: > Vegetable/Oxalic acid (g/100 g) --- Amaranth/1.09 - Asparagus/.13 --- Beans, > snap/.36 --- Beet leaves/.61--- Broccoli/.19 --- Brussels sprouts/.36 --- > Cabbage/.10 --- Carrot/.50 --- Cassava/1.26 --- Cauliflower/.15 --- > Celery/.19 --- Chicory/.21 --- Chives/1.48 --- Collards/.45 --- > Coriander/.01 --- Corn, sweet/.01 --- Cucumbers/.02 --- Eggplant/.19 --- > Endive/.11 --- Garlic/.36 --- Kale/.02 --- Lettuce/.33 --- Okra/.05 --- > Onion/.05 --- Parsley/1.70 --- Parsnip/.04 --- Pea/.05 --- Pepper/.04 --- > Potato/.05 --- Purslane/1.31 --- Radish/.48 --- Rutabaga/.03 --- > Spinach/.97 --- Squash/.02 --- Sweet potato/.24 --- Tomato/.05 --- > Turnip/.21 -- > Turnip greens/.05. > > Manfred > Article 32346 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Deville" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for good books on honey plants Lines: 4 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:48:08 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.209.72.122 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1023331688 67.209.72.122 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:48:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 02:48:08 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32346 Dose anyone know of any good books on honey plants. Will appreciate all help. Article 32347 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Bee Quick Lines: 98 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 06:12:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023343958 67.227.219.185 (Wed, 05 Jun 2002 23:12:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 23:12:38 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32347 Then how do I get them out of the Westerhn and into the body so Ican use the westerns for my honey harves? the onlything I can think of is to pull some of the deep frames out of the body and replace them with the western frames that have brood in them... and watch till they hatch and replace those western frames as soon as they are empty.... or do you think this will be too much distubing the coloney...or should I just leave well enough alone for this season... I still need to see if there is a queen yet.... this western came off a hive that a swarm moved in before I was ready to start bee keeping.... there may not be any brood in there just a small group of workers.... but they keep flying out and comming back all day long... I put the entrance feeder on top of the hive becasue they didn't touch it when it was at the entrance but now they are empting a quart a day... I woried thathey are just using it and not foraging cause it empties on nice days as well as no fly days... Brian wrote in message news:adm68q0pm2@drn.newsguy.com... > wuffman said: > > > Im planning on trying it this comming sunday.. > > I have a experimental hive that all the bees seem > > to want to stay in the western and not go down into > > the 2 deeps... > > If they have brood in the western, are you sure you WANT > to try and force them down into the deeps? I doubt that > you want them to abandon brood. > > If the deeps are truly empty, why not try "reversing" > the chambers, putting the western on the bottom board, > and one of the deeps above? > > > I used match stix to give a ventilation to the top > > board but the bees are squeezing through the top... > > they don't even use the front entrance yet, > > Bees like upper entrances, moreso when that entrance > is the closest one to where they have set up shop. > > > so I think Ill use the fume board and a wee bit of > > bee quick. I'll post my findings... > > Please do not use our product to force a colony away > from brood. The primary purpose of Fischer's Bee-Quick > is in honey harvesting. > > >How did you make a fume board? I paid 13.00 for mine... > > Check out http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/use.html > where both fume boards and "breeze boards" are discussed. > > > > > > >Brian > > > > > > > > > >"David Brookes" wrote in message > >news:adipkq$a4m$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > >> Just bought a bottle myself out of interest. Going to give it a try at the > >> weekend. > >> I've made up 5 fume boards but I'll take my porters along too just in > >case! > >> I'd be interested to hear how you get on. > >> > >> David > >> Perthshire > >> > >> "wuffman" wrote in message > >> news:oiaK8.1201$v06.1034@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > >> > Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? > >> > > >> > I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it > >> just > >> > clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he > >> > deeps... > >> > > >> > Brian > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > Article 32348 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Keith Hooker" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ragwort Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:47:04 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Technology Management Ltd Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <3CF2391E.D372D04C@york.ac.uk> <3CF73FD8.DCE17673@york.ac.uk> <75213ab.0205312221.57b28a4d@posting.google.com> Reply-To: "Keith Hooker" NNTP-Posting-Host: host217-34-246-248.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1023346024 27971 217.34.246.248 (6 Jun 2002 06:47:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:47:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!newsfeed.icl.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32348 This is very true, even different insects are affected differently by a toxin - Bumble bees and rhododendrons is a classic bee example. The body mass difference and the volume of a toxin needed to be toxic to an insect are vastly different to that needed to affect any human. Keith "KOland" wrote in message news:adl9hj$6cja$1@ID-89397.news.dfncis.de... > because mammals and insects are affected differently by some toxins. > "Keith Hooker" wrote in message > news:adkcsp$pam$2@paris.btinternet.com... > > > If it does not kill or incapacitate a bee or its brood, why should it harm > a human? Article 32349 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 06 Jun 2002 10:20:27 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Looking for good books on honey plants Message-ID: <20020606062027.05038.00000212@mb-cq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.visi.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32349 Honey Plants of North America John H. Lovell 1926 This excellent book was reprinted by Root Publishing in 1999 It is worth the search if you can find a copy. I got mine at Wicwas Press Regards, Ralph Harrison Western CT Beekeepers Association Article 32350 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020602183806.28230.00001459@mb-mh.aol.com> Subject: Re: Foundation and extra entrances Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:15:29 -0700 Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.222 Message-ID: <3cff4f2b_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023364907 209.23.10.222 (6 Jun 2002 07:01:47 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32350 Hi, Wired foundation. You may wish to investgate the use of 4.9mm foundation for mite control. Info can be found at beesource.com. Hit point of veiw, then back to biological beekeeping. Upper entrances can be put on ones inner cover by making a 1/2 to 3/4 inch notch in the inner cover. Should look the same as entrance reducer hole. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32351 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: plastic 4.9mm foundation- trials Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 08:20:18 -0700 Lines: 131 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.222 Message-ID: <3cff504d_2@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023365197 209.23.10.222 (6 Jun 2002 07:06:37 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32351 Hi to all, This is to let you know that advanced samples of Plastic 4.9mm foundation have been now sent to those concerned for field trials. Climates chosen for this are vast to see if the foundation will be accepted by honeybees prior to sales starting. This is a very straight forward testing. Areas choosen where: 1) Alaska, 2) Eugene, Oregon, 3) Alberta, Canada, 4) Mountains near Casper, Wyoming 5) Great Lakes area near Chicago, 6) Prarie plains of Illinois, 6) Sonoran Desert of S. Arizona, 7) Orlando, Fla., 8) Great Britian- UK, 9) Sweden So everyone knows what is going on. Here is a copy of the email sent to participants. You will be advised as information is forthcoming. Those commercial/hobbysts participating are doing this for industry, along with the overseas manufacturer, and Dadants. ------------------------ Hi all This is to let you know that all on this email have been sent advanced first run samples of Plastic 4.9mm Top tolerance foundation for looking at and trials if possible. Questions will need answering before it can be sold to industry. The answers you find and questions you have will be forwarded to both Jerry Hayes at Dadant and the manufacturing company overseas for review. Also as I have told a few of you already, do not be afraid to comment on various discussion groups how things are progressing, especially if favorable. This is a very straight forward testing prior to sales and inclusion into the Dadant 2003 Catalog for industry to be sold opposite their already now selling excellent 4.9mm wax foundation. Questions that need answering are: 1. Will the bees draw it out as is? If not why not? Already Jerry Hayes has inquired about the release coating used and special plastic used in it's manufacture. We need to know ahead of time there is no threat to the bees. So hence, will the bees draw out the plastic foundation. 2. Once drawn out then we need to know will the queens lay in the foundation? 3. Once queens are laying in the foundation will the eggs hatch? 4. Once hatching will the pupae develop normally? 5. Will the bees also store pollen and honey stores in foundation being drawn? 6. Will the bees also with greater division of labor and plastic 4.9 as a help be able to keep small hive beetles under control? Please note that this specific question is being placed into the hands of Michael Housel for research down in Florida in Orlando where small hive beetles are at their worst. Please note that varroa/trachael mites and secondary diseases were not mentioned above as that is already considered proven with prior 4.9mm wax foundation already in industry hands. We are just rying to find out whether the bees will draw the Plastic as designed and use it properly within a beehive prior to sale to industry. Any problems need to be noted and eliminated now. If you need to wash the sheets to get them to draw it note this fact! It could be the release agent or the type plastic used! If you need to coat with syrup or honey or light wax to get them to draw it note this also. but then this is already normal practice for those beekeepers purchasing plain Plastic uncoated sheets right now with various types on the market. Once the Dadants and the overseas manufacturers know that the bees will accept the Plastic 4.9mm foundation then orders can be taken by Dadant for sales. Hopefully with time left for limited sales still this active year. Regards, Dee A. Lusby -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32352 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:47:45 -0400 Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023371267 807680 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.r-kom.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32352 Make sure the queen is in the deep, put a queen excluder between the deep and the western. Wait until the brood hatches out before taking off to harvest. If there is no honey yet (as it seems from the rest of your post), just take off the western (place on the upturned top cover) and examine each frame. When you find the queen, transfer her to the deep by hand (remember, she can on the western body sides also.Then put in the queen excluder and replace the western. Of course, if you have been feeding and there is sealed honey in the western, it won't be real honey ..You'll have to persuade them to empty out that super. One easy way - scratch open all the honey cells and place the western on the bottom board, then the queen exluder, then the deeps. They should move any stores up and after the brood hatches you can move the super back to the top of the stack. "wuffman" wrote in message news:q3DL8.111$AK3.2@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Then how do I get them out of the Westerhn and into the body so Ican use > the westerns for my honey harves? > > > the onlything I can think of is to pull some of the deep frames out of the > body and replace them with the western frames that have brood in them... and > watch till they hatch and replace those western frames as soon as they are > empty.... or do you think this will be too much distubing the coloney...or > should I just leave well enough alone for this season... I still need to see > if there is a queen yet.... > this western came off a hive that a swarm moved in before I was ready to > start bee keeping.... there may not be any brood in there just a small > group of workers.... but they keep flying out and comming back all day > long... I put the entrance feeder on top of the hive becasue they didn't > touch it when it was at the entrance but now they are empting a quart a > day... I woried thathey are just using it and not foraging cause it empties > on nice days as well as no fly days... Article 32353 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:44:38 -0700 Lines: 33 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.70 Message-ID: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023381488 209.23.5.70 (6 Jun 2002 11:38:08 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32353 Hi Charlie, I make foundation by hand. By dipping, milling, and cutting to size using my own wax. The same process explained at beesource.com. One gets about 7 -8 sheets to the pound.I can control the thickness by the temp. It is expensive to set up for making ones own foundation. But it lasts a lifetime with proper care. I'm currently ridding of my plastic foundation going back to good old wax. If one has 30+ colonies it would pay to make ones own foundation. My mill is 4.9 cell sizing and most couldn't just pop the foundation in their hives with good results. The bees would need to be worked down first through regression. See back to biological beekeeping article by the Lusby's at beesource.com. If anyone would like to know how to render larger lots of brood combs I'd be happy to explain (10 deep boxes a day)? Its messy! How much wax do you have? (its history too, what chemicals? as my wax is chemical free as can be) > There's always buy 'new' foundation and make brown candles with > your surplus, but the price of new foundation is pretty high. Chop up your wax and run through solar wax melter about 5 times and you will have quite light wax for candles or comb honey foundation. If you have 50 pounds of wax at seven sheets per pound = 350 sheets of foundation @ $1.00 per sheet = $350 bucks. Can you get 350 dollars for 50 pounds of wax (any color)? Wax foundation ties the beekeeper to Dadant and such companies. Make your own and now your free. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32354 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Beekeeping questions Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:56:16 -0700 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.70 Message-ID: <3cff90fc_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023381756 209.23.5.70 (6 Jun 2002 11:42:36 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!telocity-west!TELOCITY!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32354 Hi, I manage carnies using unlimited broodnest management (3 deep). So Add more brooding room. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32355 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3CE81CA6.329C4393@thesitefights.com> <3CEAFE83.34F3ADE8@thesitefights.com> Subject: Re: 8 Frame bodies? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:50:16 -0700 Lines: 53 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0069_01C20D58.B4F2F660" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.70 Message-ID: <3cff8ff6_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023381494 209.23.5.70 (6 Jun 2002 11:38:14 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32355 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C20D58.B4F2F660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I live across the country from you, in Northern NY. =20 reply: Where in N. NY do you live? Clay Crown Point, NY ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C20D58.B4F2F660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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I live across the country from you, in = Northern=20 NY. 
 
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Where in N. NY do you = live?
 
Clay
 
Crown Point, NY
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C20D58.B4F2F660-- -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32356 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: be-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: 6 Jun 2002 11:33:33 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-748.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32356 wuffman said: > Then how do I get them out of the Western and into the body > so I can use the westerns for my honey harvest? The short answer, at least for now is "You Don't". Since the bees have set up shop in the western, that's where the brood is. Don't fight it. Admit that the western is a brood chamber. This is a new swarm, and is unlikely to "make a crop" for you this spring. Keep feeding them, let them drawn comb and build up a decent population. Worry about a crop later. Maybe fall, maybe next spring. Survival of the colony comes first. > the only thing I can think of is to pull some of the deep > frames out of the body and replace them with the western > frames that have brood in them... and watch till they hatch > and replace those western frames as soon as they are > empty.... This would make a very big mess. Think of all the empty space below a western frame in a deep hive body. DON'T DO IT!!! > this western came off a hive that a swarm moved in before I > was ready to start bee keeping.... Lucky you! A free swarm is a great way to start beekeeping! I'd suggest: a) Removing one of the deeps with nothing but undrawn foundation. Set it aside for a future colony or future expansion. b) Put the western under discussion on the bottom board, and put the other deep on top. c) Leave things alone for now, and let them draw out the comb in those two brood chambers. d) Once they have drawn comb, then you can consider adding a queen excluder, and on top of that, another western. Anything above the queen excluder will be harvestable, for sure. jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32357 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Looking for good books on honey plants Date: 6 Jun 2002 11:39:38 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-870.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-w!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32357 John said: >Does anyone know of any good books on honey plants. > Will appreciate all help. The best things in life are free, and so is this book: Insect Pollination Of Cultivated Crop Plants by S.E. McGregor, USDA Originally published 1976 - updated Continously. http://bee.airoot.com/beeculture/book/index.html jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32358 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 8th day hive check - Advice, please? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 111 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:22:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023398575 209.204.149.229 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:22:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 14:22:55 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:481 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32358 In article , bee-quick@bee-quick.com wrote: > Don said: > > >Here comes the rookie... Duck 'n cover! :) > > Chin up, you are not doing badly. Your observations > and questions are apt, well-reasoned, and well-written > These are VERY common concerns for new beekeepers! > > > ...Their el-cheapo smoker > > Never buy the cheapest tool. Bigger (smoker) is better. > The wire bail is nice to have. The hanger hook on the > wire bail is a real pleasure to have. On my budget, "cheapest" is the only thing possible, at least at the start. I can (and often do) "homebrew" a lot of stuff, but with the materials and gear I've got handy right now, a smoker is a bit beyond my capability, otherwise, I'd have almost certainly gone that route. > > A few puffs from the smoker, and everybody was down > > in the frames, and I was able to get to work with > > only one or two bees buzzing around the area. > > See, you don't need to tape your gloves to your shirt. > These are merely bees, not radioactive waste! :) Well, with the fact that the gloves I'm using are pigskin horse-driving gloves, with basically nothing for a gauntlet to them... Bewteen the cuffs of the gloves "sagging", and the sleeves of the shirt riding up, if I don't tape things together, I might just a well go out there with no gloves at all, and half-length sleeves, y'know? So I do what I'm good at: I make do with what's at hand :) > > They seem to be using only the near-side frames so far. > > Not unusual, as bees work in a rough sphere, which gets > larger as population grows. > > > Unlike last time, there's comb drawn all over the place. > > That's a good sign. > > > ...approximately 5 sides are covered in the "crazy-comb" > > I described in one of my earlier messages. > > That's not so good. Clean it up NOW, before it gets out > of hand, and push the frames together so the nubs on the > sides of the vertical frame ends touch. Somehow, your > 10 frames were simply not spaced correctly, and had too > much space between the 5 frames where the bees are working. I'm thinking that at least one may be warped/twisted. I've also had to scrape "gunk" off the tabs to get a better fit - Now that I've done that, they seem to be sitting together a bit better than they were. > That happens, sometimes even with correctly drawn comb. > No big deal, just do some comb surgery, and enjoy a treat > by eating the comb honey scraps. Destroy the evidence!!! :) Well, I'm not so sure I'd be particularly impressed by this "treat"... I suspect that it's mostly just thickened sugar-water so far. > > Should I do a preventative "rip out" now, while initial > > construction is still going on? > > Yes - the mess will only get bigger if left alone. The only > crazy comb that should be left in place is comb that contains > eggs or brood. > >Another frame has one face that's about a 50/50 mix of "normal comb", > >and what I'm already thinking of as "split-level comb" > > Break away the split-level stuff, leave the normal, let them draw > out the foundation. If you want to recycle, you can try putting > the broken-off comb on the landing board, but don not block too > much of the entrance in doing this. That's the right (looking from the front of the hive) face of frame number 5 - the one that's confirmed chock-fulla-brood anywhere there's comb to be seen. Guess I get to wait for this batch to mature, and hope that the queen doesn't sneak in and start "recycling" cells before I can get the mess cleaned up between this batch and the next. > > The current batch of workers definitely has the often > > described "really mellow" temperament > > Yet another reason to fix things now. During a nectar flow, > bees are much easier to work with, and you have serious work > to do. Poor little bees... All that effort for nothing. Good thing they're classic workaholics, I guess! :) > >Several (A whole helluva bunch on one frame) cells are full of what > >looks to be mold - greyish-green, some of it looks like it COULD be > >pollen-balls that went moldy, > > Hard to imagine that mold would appear so quickly, but the bees > will clean up what they do not like. You need not worry about it. That's kinda what I was thinking, but it's nice to have confirmation. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32359 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: green rain.... Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 21:08:38 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32359 Here in central mass we just had an episode of green rain. Well, the rain wasn't green, but there was so much pollen on every surface that it left green streaks all over the streets and green powder coatings where puddles evaporated. The bees were coming back loaded with this green stuff (I'll be polite and not mention the color). It's obviosly tree pollen, nothing else could produce so much. Does anyone know what kind of pollen it would be and what if any effect it could have on honey? Aside from pines/connifers, the most common tree around here is maple, followed by birch. Just curious, thanks Article 32360 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Keith Benson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:38:06 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3D000E7D.2080851E@mindspring.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.88.a7.9e Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 7 Jun 2002 01:36:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!washdc3-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32360 I would vote for pine. Every year on Cape Cod such green pollen was common when the pines were blooming )if that term would fit a conifer) Keith me wrote: > Here in central mass we just had an episode of green rain. Well, the rain > wasn't green, but there was so much pollen on every surface that it left > green streaks all over the streets and green powder coatings where puddles > evaporated. The bees were coming back loaded with this green stuff (I'll be > polite and not mention the color). It's obviosly tree pollen, nothing else > could produce so much. > > Does anyone know what kind of pollen it would be and what if any effect it > could have on honey? Aside from pines/connifers, the most common tree > around here is maple, followed by birch. > > Just curious, > > thanks Article 32361 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 22:22:11 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0b.7a.5a X-Server-Date: 7 Jun 2002 02:22:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32361 I'm glad it's raining where you are. We in North Carolina haven't had a decent rain in months...oh, wait...or is that years? Could be pine, but maples have a lot of pollen. I don't know your climate that well...maples bloom here in February but for you it's probably much later since your further north. It shouldn't have much of an effect on your honey production unless your bees are instinctively pollen hoarders. Some hives store lots of pollen while others very little--luck of the drawl I guess; that's genetics for you. I've had bees to fill supers almost entirely with pollen but it's rare. Christopher Petree Article 32362 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D001FEF.6AECF4FC@not.a.real.address.mil> From: Tsu Doh Nimh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 02:50:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32362 me wrote: > > Here in central mass we just had an episode of green rain. Well, the rain > wasn't green, but there was so much pollen on every surface that it left > green streaks all over the streets and green powder coatings where puddles > evaporated. The bees were coming back loaded with this green stuff (I'll be > polite and not mention the color). It's obviosly tree pollen, nothing else > could produce so much. > > Does anyone know what kind of pollen it would be and what if any effect it > could have on honey? Aside from pines/connifers, the most common tree > around here is maple, followed by birch. > > Just curious, > > thanks According to www.pollen.com, the predominate pollen in your area right now is Oak, Grass and Birch. Pollen.com is kind of a neat site... Tsu Article 32363 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee Quick Lines: 56 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <1ZVL8.1641$AK3.218@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 03:42:53 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.212.15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023421373 67.227.212.15 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 20:42:53 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 20:42:53 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32363 Well I just tried it out and to be honest Im not all that impressed.... 1 major proble the spout lid that came with it is the wrong size so I had to make a semi usable spout from another bottle. i used a small amout and saw no results, it was nice and bright outside and after about 5 mins Id say less than 1/4 of the bees moved out. so I squirted a lot more on it the second time moved the liguid level down past the sholder of the bottle and after 5 mins ( I timed it) Only about 1/2 to 3/4 of the bees vacated the uper western. sao I pulled the western off and set it cross ways on the top board and put the fume board on top of it to see if it would get the rest to vacate. The 2nd western of 2 still on the have was packed out with bees, I used a smoker this time to drive them down into the hive it is alot faster (and cheaper) almost all the frames in the lower western are full of honey but very few were cappedalso I saw on 3 iner frames alot ( 10 -15)of extendedcells that are caped that are bumpy not flat across the top of the cels like the some of the others. Also some of the cells are not full of honey but some kind of sticky stuff.. I took a toothpick and smaples some of the honey.. it is very strong and the other stuff I could not get any out to see what it was without distroying cells. I put the frame on top of the hive later after the clan all got a few toothpics of honey... I figure the bees will pull all the honey out and put it back into the hive....Ill just stick that frame with the drawn comb in the other western.... Brian "David Brookes" wrote in message news:adipkq$a4m$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk... > Just bought a bottle myself out of interest. Going to give it a try at the > weekend. > I've made up 5 fume boards but I'll take my porters along too just in case! > I'd be interested to hear how you get on. > > David > Perthshire > > "wuffman" wrote in message > news:oiaK8.1201$v06.1034@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > Has anyone used bee quick to clear the bees from a supper? > > > > I just ordered me a smal bottle and thought I would try it to see if it > just > > clears one supper or if the bees would move all the wasy down int ot he > > deeps... > > > > Brian > > > > > > > Article 32364 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: crle@sovereign.net (CE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ants, Bees and Boric Acid Date: 6 Jun 2002 20:31:25 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.52.93.94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023420686 19511 127.0.0.1 (7 Jun 2002 03:31:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2002 03:31:26 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32364 A colony of large black carpenter ants has decided to make its home between the inner cover and outer cover of my hive. Much to my dismay there are many bee body parts that the ants seem to be eating, not sure if these are deceased bees or ones that the ants are hunting. When I opened the hive this morning there were many ant eggs scattered all over the inner cover. They seem to be making the bees extremely agitated. My question is simple. Does Boric acid effect bees negatively? I am wondering if I could sprinkle this on the inner cover. It is very effective on ants! Regards, Charles Article 32365 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 00:02:47 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <3D001FEF.6AECF4FC@not.a.real.address.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023422569 1239742 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32365 Only problem is that it is "average" dates for sources. In TN, pollen allergies started a month early (maple in Feb), pine pollen was a month late (May instead of April) and Grass pollen hasn't even stated (also month late). "Tsu Doh Nimh" wrote > According to www.pollen.com, the predominate pollen in your area right > now is Oak, Grass and Birch. > > Pollen.com is kind of a neat site... Article 32366 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Ants, Bees and Boric Acid Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 31 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 04:02:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023422541 209.204.149.228 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:02:21 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 21:02:21 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32366 In article , crle@sovereign.net (CE) wrote: > A colony of large black carpenter ants has decided to make its home > between the inner cover and outer cover of my hive. Much to my dismay > there are many bee body parts that the ants seem to be eating, not > sure if these are deceased bees or ones that the ants are hunting. > When I opened the hive this morning there were many ant eggs scattered > all over the inner cover. They seem to be making the bees extremely > agitated. > > My question is simple. Does Boric acid effect bees negatively? I am > wondering if I could sprinkle this on the inner cover. It is very > effective on ants! It'll be just as effective on bees. Boric acid acts primarily as an abrasive, effectively "sanding holes" in the chitin that makes up the skin of bugs, thereby causing them to dehydrate/bleed to death. Seems to me that it would be a WHOLE LOT simpler, and just as effective as fancy insecticide tricks, to just remove the inner and outer covers, being as careful as possible not to spill ants/eggs down into the hive, tote them a ways from the hive, and knock the ants/eggs off of them. THEN pour the boric acid over them if you really feel a need to do something fatal to them. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32367 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Ants, Bees and Boric Acid Lines: 25 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 05:31:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.212.166 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023427861 67.227.212.166 (Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:31:01 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:31:01 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32367 I have a simmular problem with sugar ants...they are all over the outside of the hive and on the instide of the hive too. I have not seen any on the frames yet but Im sure they are raiding the honey cells... Brian "CE" wrote in message news:ec892669.0206061931.62ddd30b@posting.google.com... > A colony of large black carpenter ants has decided to make its home > between the inner cover and outer cover of my hive. Much to my dismay > there are many bee body parts that the ants seem to be eating, not > sure if these are deceased bees or ones that the ants are hunting. > When I opened the hive this morning there were many ant eggs scattered > all over the inner cover. They seem to be making the bees extremely > agitated. > > My question is simple. Does Boric acid effect bees negatively? I am > wondering if I could sprinkle this on the inner cover. It is very > effective on ants! > > Regards, > Charles > Article 32368 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: 7 Jun 2002 02:19:40 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <1ZVL8.1641$AK3.218@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-819.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32368 wuffman said: > Well I just tried it out and to be honest > Im not all that impressed.... You were warned that it would be difficult to drive bees away from brood. Since you clearly have brood in the westerns, any attempt to drive the bees away will be frustrating, and at best, temporary. > 1 major proble the spout lid that came with it is > the wrong size Cases are shipped to the dealer with spout tops that fit. Please send a private e-mail with the name of the dealer so we can check this out and find out what the foul-up was. Did you get an instruction sheet? > I pulled the western off and set it cross ways on the top > board and put the fume board on top of it to see if it > would get the rest to vacate. This was an error - opening the bottom of the super to the air allowed the vapors to escape, and allowed fresh air in. You want to keep the supers aligned with the supers below. > I saw on 3 iner frames alot (10 -15)of extended cells that > are caped that are bumpy not flat across the top of the > cels like the some of the others. You appear to be describing drone brood. Again, bees are VERY reluctant to abandon brood. While you can get them to move away, they will come right back. Regardless, if you are not satisfied for ANY reason, you get your money back. Bee-Quick is unique in having the words "Full Refund If Not Satisfied" right on the label. We mean it. Contact your dealer. jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32369 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Jun 2002 13:33:03 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Ants, Bees and Boric Acid Message-ID: <20020607093303.07419.00000090@mb-fz.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32369 Take the covers off, dump the ants and either leave the telescope off for a couple days or put something between the covers to allow the bees to patrol it. Leaving the telescope cover off for a few days works for me I just put a stone on the hole. Article 32370 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Jun 2002 17:03:08 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Mason Jars Message-ID: <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32370 I checked a few local Wally-Marts for "Golden Harvest" type mason jars and there's none to be found. Anybody see them or are they history? Harvesting this weekend, light spring honey Article 32371 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D00B995.336496C@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Bees References: <6262-3CFD4ED9-792@storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 18:06:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1023473214 67.251.117.174 (Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:06:54 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:06:54 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32371 alh-n-tn wrote: > > Hello, > > Recently I saw a program on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation on > pollination and the different kinds of bees farmers use to pollinate > their crops. There were three: honey bees, bumblebees, and one I had > never heard of, the mason bee. I was really intrigued by the mason bee. > Does anyone in this group have any experience with the mason bee? If > so, would you please share you knowledge of this fascinating bee. > > Many thanks. > > Take Care. > > alh-n-tn > (Lester, the East Tennessee Dude) Lester, Here are two good links describing the mason bee and how to build boxes for the females to lay their eggs. I built about 20 of them and have hung them in various places (plus I've given some away to friends). The ones on my lower deck are always full. I put galvanized tin on mine and turned the backside up and bored two holes in them so that I could more easily mount them to a post or shed and give a little better protection from the rain. http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/inse006/inse006.htm http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Other/orn_t109/not109.html Good luck. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32372 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1ZVL8.1641$AK3.218@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Bee Quick Lines: 69 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <%u8M8.952$Pv2.695@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 20:14:51 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.60 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023480891 67.227.219.60 (Fri, 07 Jun 2002 13:14:51 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 13:14:51 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32372 Ok 1 I did take you advise and did not use it on the hive with the brood in the western.. I did flip the western and the hive bdy around like you sgested. I used the bee quick on the 2nd hive... I bought it at Glory Bee in Eugene Oregon and No there was no instruction sheet with it...they told me the instructions were on the lable.....go figure.... I am probably not going to do bussiness witht hem anymore cause the messed up myorer anyway... shorted me one sidebar and the one top bar was not properly cut... they did make good and sent me replacements but I asked for those prior to trying the Bee-Quick... Brian Martin 4092 State street Salem Oregon 97301 wrote in message news:adptrc0hek@drn.newsguy.com... > wuffman said: > > > Well I just tried it out and to be honest > > Im not all that impressed.... > > You were warned that it would be difficult to > drive bees away from brood. Since you clearly > have brood in the westerns, any attempt to drive > the bees away will be frustrating, and at best, > temporary. > > > 1 major proble the spout lid that came with it is > > the wrong size > > Cases are shipped to the dealer with spout tops that > fit. Please send a private e-mail with the name of > the dealer so we can check this out and find out what > the foul-up was. Did you get an instruction sheet? > > > I pulled the western off and set it cross ways on the top > > board and put the fume board on top of it to see if it > > would get the rest to vacate. > > This was an error - opening the bottom of the super to the > air allowed the vapors to escape, and allowed fresh air in. > You want to keep the supers aligned with the supers below. > > > I saw on 3 iner frames alot (10 -15)of extended cells that > > are caped that are bumpy not flat across the top of the > > cels like the some of the others. > > You appear to be describing drone brood. > Again, bees are VERY reluctant to abandon brood. > While you can get them to move away, they will come > right back. > > Regardless, if you are not satisfied for ANY reason, > you get your money back. Bee-Quick is unique in having > the words "Full Refund If Not Satisfied" right on the > label. We mean it. Contact your dealer. > > jim > bee-quick@bee-quick.com > http://www.bee-quick.com > > Article 32373 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: gamuddawg@aol.com (GAmuddawg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 07 Jun 2002 20:38:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Beeswax Processing Message-ID: <20020607163852.00345.00000298@mb-mu.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32373 What is the best method for processing and filtering my beeswax? I want to make candles later. Article 32374 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: 8 Jun 2002 00:10:48 GMT Lines: 125 Message-ID: References: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.78 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023495048 1884766 216.167.143.78 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.78!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32374 "huestis'" wrote in news:3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com: > Hi Charlie, > I make foundation by hand. By dipping, milling, and cutting to size > using my own wax. These are my intentions now the major suppliers are 'discouraging' the use of wax foundation, and pay 'nothing' for rendered wax, and in some cases, will only take 'cappings' wax. They will 'offer' $1.25 a pound, a derisory sum for one's labor. >The same process explained at beesource.com. I've copied this and have read it and printed up a little 'manual' for quick reference on the job; however, it looks like one of those skills requiring an apprenticeship..so can I come to Tucson for a lesson? >One gets about 7 -8 sheets to the pound.I can control the thickness by > the temp. It is expensive to set up for making ones own foundation. > But it lasts a lifetime with proper care. This is what I want to do..be independent and 'invisible' to homeland security. >I'm currently ridding of my plastic foundation going back to good old >wax. This can only be the right choice..there's so much plastic now polluting the environment. Much of this pollution is in the form of estrogen mimicking substances. 'They' don't know the long term consequence of this pollution, (that goes for most all pollution, save 'smoking' which is now considered a 'long term' hazard to one's health) This aberration is not confined to just the human population, but animals in the environment too. These 'substances' are now 'worldwide'. While being measured only in P (parts) P (per) B (billion) their effect is very powerful. That cheapo APS plastic they use for frames and foundation is so volatile, you cannot even clean it in hot water. This might be a good idea from the point of making money, but it's that attitude that's killing everything as it is, so I won't be a part of the problem. >If one has 30+ colonies it would pay to make ones own foundation. I used to have more but the mites have reduced them down whereas all my 'old' bees are now gone, but I have a new strain I call the AHB variant, that is doing very well indeed. They were a 'gift' in a way, three years ago, out of the blue, being the scientific explanation. (I've said some on these bees in other post, so I won't cover their properties here) and anyway, I think one should make their own foundation no matter how many hives one has. >My mill is 4.9 cell sizing Yes.. A Tom's industries model I believe..always wanted one of those, but was not so motivated until recent revelations. > and most couldn't just pop the foundation in their hives with >good > results. The bees would need to be worked down first through > regression. This sounds tricky. >See back to biological beekeeping article by the Lusby's >at beesource.com. I've read it, and have been interested in this idea since 1996. (we talked about it at the honey producers convention at Corpus Christi, Texas) > If anyone would like to know how to render larger lots of brood combs > I'd be happy to explain (10 deep boxes a day)? Its messy! fire away. > How much wax do you have? (its history too, what chemicals? as my wax > is chemical free as can be) I have 60 pounds just now, and I'm fanatical about not using chemicals, in fact it may be said by some that this is why I have less bees now than before, but this is my stand. The strongest thing I will use around here is Thymol tincture in feeding syrup, (anti fermentation, and mite annoyance) This is another 'beef' I had about sending the large suppliers my carefully tended wax..I used to be naive, and actually thought they 'converted 'your' wax into the foundation you got back. ho..ho. >> There's always buy 'new' foundation and make brown candles with >> your surplus, but the price of new foundation is pretty high. exactly..I wouldn't buy 'foundation' to make candles..I don't know who started that dumb idea..harvard business school grads I guess. If I made candles out of beeswax, I would dip them. > Chop up your wax and run through solar wax melter about 5 times and > you will have quite light wax for candles or comb honey foundation. Thanks for the tip. > If you have 50 pounds of wax at seven sheets per pound = 350 sheets of > foundation @ $1.00 per sheet = $350 bucks. Can you get 350 dollars > for 50 pounds of wax (any color)? Wax foundation ties the beekeeper to > Dadant and such companies. So I noticed. >Make your own and now your free. love that word 'free' the opposite of 'slave' > Clay > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- 80K newsgroups think of that. C.K. Article 32375 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 17 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: harrisonrw@aol.com (HarrisonRW) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 08 Jun 2002 01:16:05 GMT References: <20020607163852.00345.00000298@mb-mu.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Message-ID: <20020607211605.15596.00000151@mb-cq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsengine.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32375 Melt the beeswax in a double boiler then filter through sweat shirt material (fuzzy side up). You will get the cleanest wax possible. Sweatshirt material works much better than cheesecloth or pantyhose and filters out the really fine junk. > >What is the best method for processing and filtering my beeswax? I want to >make candles later. > > > > > Article 32376 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 22:17:42 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 34 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32376 We've had a very good spring rain-wise, although it has been very cool. I haven't even bothered to water plants (except new plantings). Every time I stick my finger in dirt, it's moist. Still, we are short in terms of water levels. We had a very dry winter, and all of the basins are low. It should be an interesting summer....... Hopefully it will just effect people, but they have a way of always being first when it comes to resources. The bees seem very happy though at the moment, lots of full pollen sacks, no stings, very gentle. "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:adp5cm$koc$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net... > I'm glad it's raining where you are. We in North Carolina haven't had a > decent rain in months...oh, wait...or is that years? > > Could be pine, but maples have a lot of pollen. I don't know your climate > that well...maples bloom here in February but for you it's probably much > later since your further north. > > It shouldn't have much of an effect on your honey production unless your > bees are instinctively pollen hoarders. Some hives store lots of pollen > while others very little--luck of the drawl I guess; that's genetics for > you. I've had bees to fill supers almost entirely with pollen but it's rare. > > Christopher Petree > > Article 32377 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com> Subject: Re: Mason Jars Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <1NeM8.52190$Ir1.3092429@twister.southeast.rr.com> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 03:23:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1023506621 24.31.194.116 (Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:23:41 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 23:23:41 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32377 "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com... > I checked a few local Wally-Marts for "Golden Harvest" type mason jars and > there's none to be found. Anybody see them or are they history? > Harvesting this weekend, light spring honey Big Lots and Dollar General have them here in SC, though the price has jumped a lot in the last two years. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32378 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: green rain.... Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 00:08:50 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.e2.f4.f9 X-Server-Date: 8 Jun 2002 04:08:52 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32378 Our major honeyflow is over for the year except for those who take bees to the mountains for sourwood. I have been taking supers off this week and I was surprised at the amount of honey produced given the situation that we are in: drought. I guess when it did rain, it rained at the right times. I try not to complain too much, but I can't remember there ever being a time when it was this dry. We are almost 18 inches below normal which means it would have to rain for a solid month in order for our area to get caught up. Everything has suffered to some degree, luckily everything is relatively green. Pray for rain...I think the whole country needs it. Christopher Petree Article 32379 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: 7 Jun 2002 22:44:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <993fd181.0206072144.4ee7e43@posting.google.com> References: <1ZVL8.1641$AK3.218@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <%u8M8.952$Pv2.695@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023515074 28866 127.0.0.1 (8 Jun 2002 05:44:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2002 05:44:34 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32379 "> I bought it at Glory Bee in Eugene Oregon and No there was no instruction > sheet with it...they told me the instructions were on the lable.....go > figure.... > > I am probably not going to do bussiness witht hem anymore cause the messed > up myorer anyway... shorted me one sidebar and the one top bar was not > properly cut... they did make good and sent me replacements but I asked for > those prior to trying the Bee-Quick... > Well,in defence of glorybee,I have done business with them just about since they started .As they got bigger ,they got slower in shipping out orders.But i think they are getting better lately.There were a couple times they screwed up my order ,but a phone call always made it right.Every bee supplier i ever did business with messed up an order at one time or another(except maybe Kelley),thats just life.Glorybee has pretty good prices on lots of the stuff they sell.Dont give up on them so quick. --Mike Article 32380 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Jars Date: 7 Jun 2002 22:52:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <993fd181.0206072152.6dfedc0c@posting.google.com> References: <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.137 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023515531 29165 127.0.0.1 (8 Jun 2002 05:52:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 2002 05:52:11 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32380 beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote in message news:<20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com>... > I checked a few local Wally-Marts for "Golden Harvest" type mason jars and > there's none to be found. Anybody see them or are they history? > Harvesting this weekend, light spring honey Last year we bought all we could get from WallysWorld.They were on sale and really cheap.We wanted them to get us more but the manager said they were a seasonal item that once was gone was SOL. Havent checked this year so cant answer your question. --Mike Article 32381 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Jars Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:23:57 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad2762.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1023535437 19834 128.173.39.98 (8 Jun 2002 11:23:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:23:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32381 In article <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com says... > >I checked a few local Wally-Marts for "Golden Harvest" type mason jars and >there's none to be found. Anybody see them or are they history? >Harvesting this weekend, light spring honey I had the same experience last week, but this week they are in stock. Have another look. > > > > > > Article 32382 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Cara and Tom Patterson Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: oxalic acid vaporizers Message-ID: <9ev3guojh446ra932lanorn7715dph9vcp@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 6 NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.254.48.71 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1023540867 12.254.48.71 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:54:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:54:27 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 12:54:27 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32382 Here is a link to an english translation of tests done regarding the efficacy of oxalic acid vaporizers for controlling varroa: http://www.mellifera.de/engl2.htm they show a very high efficacy. Article 32383 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: usda beelabs funding update Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 09:22:18 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1023542878.396007@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 34 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!paloalto-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!easynews!sn-xit-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32383 (see down at bottom...) Senators Will Not Pare Terror Bill Thu Jun 6, 9:04 PM ET By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate refused to carve funds for the Smithsonian museum and Hawaiian coral reefs out of a $31.5 billion counterterrorism bill on Thursday and moved within sight of passing the measure. The legislation still faces a veto threat from the Bush administration, which along with some Republicans considers the Senate measure far too expensive. But under pressure from Democrats to approve the popular package quickly, GOP leaders decided to let the bill pass as early as week's end and count on upcoming negotiations on a final version to pare its size. The anti-terror bill contains $5.5 billion to help New York's recovery from the World Trade Center destruction; $200 million for Israel and $50 million for humanitarian aid to Palestinians; and $100 million to fight AIDS in poor nations. But highlighting how the measure would also help local interests, it has $2.5 million for research in Greenport, N.Y., on foot and mouth disease; $73 million for relief from floods in Virginia, West Virginia, Illinois, Michigan and Kentucky; and language directing the Agriculture Department to not carry out Bush's budget proposal to eliminate federal honey bee research. Bush proposed a $27.1 billion anti-terror package in March, and the House approved a $29 billion bill in May. The spending is for the remaining months of the federal budget year that ends Oct. 1. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020607/ap_on_go_co/attac ks_spending_20 Article 32384 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jose Matas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:32:50 +0200 Lines: 144 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.97 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.97 Message-ID: <3d0223ad@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1023550381 212.166.131.97 (8 Jun 2002 17:33:01 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32384 Over in Europe the industrial supplier talk about "sterilized" wax. One method to sterilize is to deep freeze it for 10 days, in a regular refrigerator, so it kills plenty of eggs. Some further suggestions about "sterilized wax" for own use will be appreciated.. From Mallorca, Spain Jose Matas. "Charlie Kroeger" escribió en el mensaje news:Xns9226C3785DEC7ckrogrrfrankensteinf@130.133.1.4... > "huestis'" wrote in > news:3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com: > > > Hi Charlie, > > > I make foundation by hand. By dipping, milling, and cutting to size > > using my own wax. > > These are my intentions now the major suppliers are 'discouraging' the > use of wax foundation, and pay 'nothing' for rendered wax, and in some > cases, will only take 'cappings' wax. They will 'offer' $1.25 a pound, a > derisory sum for one's labor. > > >The same process explained at beesource.com. > > I've copied this and have read it and printed up a little 'manual' for > quick reference on the job; however, it looks like one of those skills > requiring an apprenticeship..so can I come to Tucson for a lesson? > > >One gets about 7 -8 sheets to the pound.I can control the thickness by > > the temp. It is expensive to set up for making ones own foundation. > > But it lasts a lifetime with proper care. > > This is what I want to do..be independent and 'invisible' to homeland > security. > > >I'm currently ridding of my plastic foundation going back to good old > >wax. > > This can only be the right choice..there's so much plastic now polluting > the environment. Much of this pollution is in the form of estrogen > mimicking substances. 'They' don't know the long term consequence of > this pollution, (that goes for most all pollution, save 'smoking' which > is now considered a 'long term' hazard to one's health) This aberration > is not confined to just the human population, but animals in the > environment too. These 'substances' are now 'worldwide'. While being > measured only in P (parts) P (per) B (billion) their effect is very > powerful. > > That cheapo APS plastic they use for frames and foundation is so > volatile, you cannot even clean it in hot water. This might be a good > idea from the point of making money, but it's that attitude that's > killing everything as it is, so I won't be a part of the problem. > > >If one has 30+ colonies it would pay to make ones own foundation. > > I used to have more but the mites have reduced them down whereas all my > 'old' bees are now gone, but I have a new strain I call the AHB variant, > that is doing very well indeed. They were a 'gift' in a way, three years > ago, out of the blue, being the scientific explanation. (I've said some > on these bees in other post, so I won't cover their properties here) and > anyway, I think one should make their own foundation no matter how many > hives one has. > > >My mill is 4.9 cell sizing > > Yes.. A Tom's industries model I believe..always wanted one of those, > but was not so motivated until recent revelations. > > > and most couldn't just pop the foundation in their hives with >good > > results. The bees would need to be worked down first through > > regression. > > This sounds tricky. > > >See back to biological beekeeping article by the Lusby's > >at beesource.com. > > I've read it, and have been interested in this idea since 1996. (we > talked about it at the honey producers convention at Corpus Christi, > Texas) > > > If anyone would like to know how to render larger lots of brood combs > > I'd be happy to explain (10 deep boxes a day)? Its messy! > > fire away. > > > How much wax do you have? (its history too, what chemicals? as my wax > > is chemical free as can be) > > I have 60 pounds just now, and I'm fanatical about not using chemicals, > in fact it may be said by some that this is why I have less bees now > than before, but this is my stand. The strongest thing I will use around > here is Thymol tincture in feeding syrup, (anti fermentation, and mite > annoyance) > > This is another 'beef' I had about sending the large suppliers my > carefully tended wax..I used to be naive, and actually thought they > 'converted 'your' wax into the foundation you got back. ho..ho. > > > >> There's always buy 'new' foundation and make brown candles with > >> your surplus, but the price of new foundation is pretty high. > > exactly..I wouldn't buy 'foundation' to make candles..I don't know who > started that dumb idea..harvard business school grads I guess. If I made > candles out of beeswax, I would dip them. > > > Chop up your wax and run through solar wax melter about 5 times and > > you will have quite light wax for candles or comb honey foundation. > > Thanks for the tip. > > > If you have 50 pounds of wax at seven sheets per pound = 350 sheets of > > foundation @ $1.00 per sheet = $350 bucks. Can you get 350 dollars > > for 50 pounds of wax (any color)? Wax foundation ties the beekeeper to > > Dadant and such companies. > > So I noticed. > > >Make your own and now your free. > > love that word 'free' the opposite of 'slave' > > > > Clay > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > 80K newsgroups think of that. > > C.K. > Article 32385 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jose Matas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 17:35:32 +0200 Lines: 145 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.97 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.97 Message-ID: <3d02244f@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1023550543 212.166.131.97 (8 Jun 2002 17:35:43 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32385 Over here in Europe is some emphasis on "sterilized" wax, the commercial (industrial) suppliers make an issue of it. I understand that by deep freezen, in a regular house refrigerator, for 15 days it will kill almost all eggs of the "acaridas". Further suggestions about "sterilizing" wax will be appreciated, Jose Matas Mallorca, Spain "Charlie Kroeger" escribió en el mensaje news:Xns9226C3785DEC7ckrogrrfrankensteinf@130.133.1.4... > "huestis'" wrote in > news:3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com: > > > Hi Charlie, > > > I make foundation by hand. By dipping, milling, and cutting to size > > using my own wax. > > These are my intentions now the major suppliers are 'discouraging' the > use of wax foundation, and pay 'nothing' for rendered wax, and in some > cases, will only take 'cappings' wax. They will 'offer' $1.25 a pound, a > derisory sum for one's labor. > > >The same process explained at beesource.com. > > I've copied this and have read it and printed up a little 'manual' for > quick reference on the job; however, it looks like one of those skills > requiring an apprenticeship..so can I come to Tucson for a lesson? > > >One gets about 7 -8 sheets to the pound.I can control the thickness by > > the temp. It is expensive to set up for making ones own foundation. > > But it lasts a lifetime with proper care. > > This is what I want to do..be independent and 'invisible' to homeland > security. > > >I'm currently ridding of my plastic foundation going back to good old > >wax. > > This can only be the right choice..there's so much plastic now polluting > the environment. Much of this pollution is in the form of estrogen > mimicking substances. 'They' don't know the long term consequence of > this pollution, (that goes for most all pollution, save 'smoking' which > is now considered a 'long term' hazard to one's health) This aberration > is not confined to just the human population, but animals in the > environment too. These 'substances' are now 'worldwide'. While being > measured only in P (parts) P (per) B (billion) their effect is very > powerful. > > That cheapo APS plastic they use for frames and foundation is so > volatile, you cannot even clean it in hot water. This might be a good > idea from the point of making money, but it's that attitude that's > killing everything as it is, so I won't be a part of the problem. > > >If one has 30+ colonies it would pay to make ones own foundation. > > I used to have more but the mites have reduced them down whereas all my > 'old' bees are now gone, but I have a new strain I call the AHB variant, > that is doing very well indeed. They were a 'gift' in a way, three years > ago, out of the blue, being the scientific explanation. (I've said some > on these bees in other post, so I won't cover their properties here) and > anyway, I think one should make their own foundation no matter how many > hives one has. > > >My mill is 4.9 cell sizing > > Yes.. A Tom's industries model I believe..always wanted one of those, > but was not so motivated until recent revelations. > > > and most couldn't just pop the foundation in their hives with >good > > results. The bees would need to be worked down first through > > regression. > > This sounds tricky. > > >See back to biological beekeeping article by the Lusby's > >at beesource.com. > > I've read it, and have been interested in this idea since 1996. (we > talked about it at the honey producers convention at Corpus Christi, > Texas) > > > If anyone would like to know how to render larger lots of brood combs > > I'd be happy to explain (10 deep boxes a day)? Its messy! > > fire away. > > > How much wax do you have? (its history too, what chemicals? as my wax > > is chemical free as can be) > > I have 60 pounds just now, and I'm fanatical about not using chemicals, > in fact it may be said by some that this is why I have less bees now > than before, but this is my stand. The strongest thing I will use around > here is Thymol tincture in feeding syrup, (anti fermentation, and mite > annoyance) > > This is another 'beef' I had about sending the large suppliers my > carefully tended wax..I used to be naive, and actually thought they > 'converted 'your' wax into the foundation you got back. ho..ho. > > > >> There's always buy 'new' foundation and make brown candles with > >> your surplus, but the price of new foundation is pretty high. > > exactly..I wouldn't buy 'foundation' to make candles..I don't know who > started that dumb idea..harvard business school grads I guess. If I made > candles out of beeswax, I would dip them. > > > Chop up your wax and run through solar wax melter about 5 times and > > you will have quite light wax for candles or comb honey foundation. > > Thanks for the tip. > > > If you have 50 pounds of wax at seven sheets per pound = 350 sheets of > > foundation @ $1.00 per sheet = $350 bucks. Can you get 350 dollars > > for 50 pounds of wax (any color)? Wax foundation ties the beekeeper to > > Dadant and such companies. > > So I noticed. > > >Make your own and now your free. > > love that word 'free' the opposite of 'slave' > > > > Clay > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > 80K newsgroups think of that. > > C.K. > Article 32386 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 11:52:14 -0700 Lines: 47 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.89 Message-ID: <3d022583_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023550851 209.23.11.89 (8 Jun 2002 10:40:51 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-west.eli.net!news-feed.fnsi.net!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32386 Hi Charlie and all, > I've copied this and have read it and printed up a little 'manual' for > quick reference on the job; Get a copy of the book, Beekeeping: a manual for english speaking beekeepers by Wedmore. Have to find it at barnes and nobles out of print stores on the web. This has a good section on foundation making and its a good book too. This has some good info thats taken for granted at beesource.com. > > If anyone would like to know how to render larger lots of brood combs > > I'd be happy to explain (10 deep boxes a day)? Its messy! > > fire away. One needs a 15 gallon barrel and a 1500 watt imersion heater and two gaskets. Drill hole about 2 inches from the bottom. Wire it up with a plug. Fill it 3/4 with water. Crank it to 190-200 degrees. Takes about 3 hrs. So do lots of rendering at once as energy isn't too cheap. Toss in 5 combs at a clip. Wait 3-5 minutes then flip over. Make a pile. Plastic foundations don't work so good doing this process as the foundations warp and much wax is lost as the foundation stays coated(but I have a plan). Works very well for wired frames. Scoop off wax into molds (not so clean and needs to be refined again). Scrape frames down and brush the wires with a metal brush. Wires will be loose. Don't rewire!!!!!! Buy a wire crimper from Brushy Mountain for about $10 or so. Run the crimper on the wires and it tightens them right back up. Saving hours of rewiring. > requiring an apprenticeship..so can I come to Tucson for a lesson? I live in NY not far from VT . But Dee Lusby is a good teacher if you should desire to go to Tucson. Spend two days with her and your be a master. I taught myself, so I see no reason you couldn't. > I used to have more but the mites have reduced them down whereas all my > 'old' bees are now gone, Same here trying to build back up using 4.9. Ran about 50 but now around 20. regards, Clay -any questions just ask -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32387 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D0169B7.CC22A5C6@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumblebees (CORRECTION) References: <3CFBE1D8.2A3DAEAB@atlas.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:02:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc03.gnilink.net 1023559369 67.251.117.231 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:02:49 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 14:02:49 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc03.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32387 Louise Adderholdt wrote: > (I also made a number of 'homes,' 4x4s with holes drilled in them, for > the carpenter bees.) > > Louise Sorry, but I should have said mason bees. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32388 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: green rain.... Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:04:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.130.145 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1023559460 12.81.130.145 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:04:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:04:20 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32388 Plants have some interesting survival strategies. Pine cones that need the intense heat of a fire to pop open. Plants that produce copious amounts of nectar in a drought is another example. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:ads00k$gu$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > Our major honeyflow is over for the year except for those who take bees to > the mountains for sourwood. I have been taking supers off this week and I > was surprised at the amount of honey produced given the situation that we > are in: drought. I guess when it did rain, it rained at the right times. I > try not to complain too much, but I can't remember there ever being a time > when it was this dry. We are almost 18 inches below normal which means it > would have to rain for a solid month in order for our area to get caught up. > Everything has suffered to some degree, luckily everything is relatively > green. Pray for rain...I think the whole country needs it. > > Christopher Petree > > Article 32389 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Obtaining oxalic acid Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 00:55:15 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3d02a601.310573872@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32389 I found it in American Hardware here in Maryland. It's a "True Value Hardware" store I think. 12 ounces for $6.00. It is sold as wood bleach and is made by The Savogram Company of Norwood MA. 1 800 225-9872 is their number. beekeep Article 32390 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: wax to foundation Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 22:27:29 -0400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <3cff8ff0_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d02244f@news.airtel.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023589651 2486600 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32390 Drone brood is frozen to kill varroa/drones, then put back on the bees to be cleaned up. Freezing does not do any other type of sterilzation (and doesn't kill any diseases or remove any chemicals). "Jose Matas" wrote in message news:3d02244f@news.airtel.net... > Over here in Europe is some emphasis on "sterilized" wax, the commercial > (industrial) suppliers > make an issue of it. > > I understand that by deep freezen, in a regular house refrigerator, for 15 > days it will kill > almost all eggs of the "acaridas". > > Further suggestions about "sterilizing" wax will be appreciated, > Article 32391 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jperryNOSPAMneal@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: How much income can a one-person operation make? Reply-To: jperryNOSPAMneal@yahoo.com Message-ID: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:02:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.27.106.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023602523 208.27.106.195 (Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:02:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 23:02:03 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a043bac3!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32391 I am thinking about keeping a few hives next year, and was thinking about it in terms of extra income. I had a friend of mine that kept hives tell me that, on an average, that a person could make about $100 US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 hives before he would have to have help. I thought this sounded a little far-fetched. How much money could a one-man operation earn, and how many hives could one man care for? Thanx in advance. Article 32392 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: emami202002@yahoo.com (farid) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: please help me :my hives have disease Date: 9 Jun 2002 01:04:28 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5542a326.0206090004.2e6aab65@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.217.125.167 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023609869 31032 127.0.0.1 (9 Jun 2002 08:04:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2002 08:04:29 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32392 Please help me: my hives have disease with following signs: What is disease? Signs in combs: dead larvae in unsealed cell Appearance of Brood nest Few or many dead larvae in cells at middle and edge of brood nest Color and Consistency of dead Larvae Dark – white in various sizes Odor: normal Laboratory results: nosema disease Before consumption of fumagilin: Honeybees have constipation and pushing of their swollen abdomen causes ejection of feces to out. After consumption of fumagilin: Honeybees don’t have constipation but a watery matter is coming out. Some honeybees excrete some sticky matter. After some hives were transferred in neighborhood of my hives, my hives take this disease Some honeybees can not fly and fall down in front of hives. population of hives is low Article 32393 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ken Bullock" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead Brood? Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 10:23:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 142.166.239.16 X-Complaints-To: abuse@nbnet.nb.ca X-Trace: news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1023618211 142.166.239.16 (Sun, 09 Jun 2002 07:23:31 ADT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 07:23:31 ADT Organization: NBTel Internet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32393 The enterane area of one of my hives has about 100 dead larvie scatered about. What could that problem and what would be the solution? Thanks for your help... Ken... -- Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books Article 32394 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead Brood? Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 11:20:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.78 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023621634 4.33.104.78 (Sun, 09 Jun 2002 04:20:34 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 04:20:34 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!329a47a8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32394 "Ken Bullock" wrote: >The enterane area of one of my hives has about 100 dead larvie scatered >about. What could that problem and what would be the solution? Thanks for >your help... Ken... Sounds like either chalkbrood or chilled brood. If the larva are very white and many almost fully developed, it probably is chalkbrood. It usually is not deadly to a colony but any steps to reduce moisture in the hive may help. These links have further info: http://www.ent.uga.edu/bees/Disorders/Chalkbrood.htm http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_AA138 If the larva are mostly younger and yellowish, and if you've had a colder than usual night recently, it could be chilled brood. Almost always occurs when there is too much larva for the bees to cluster on when it gets cold. This happens most often in the spring of the year, but can also happen after a pesticide kill. Not deadly to a colony. Either way, it's worth going into the brood nest to determine what the situation is, and reducing any stresses on the colony. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 32395 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dead Brood? Lines: 39 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 12:46:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1023626783 24.31.194.116 (Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:46:23 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:46:23 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32395 Ken and others, This is an illustration of the constant need to put your location in your signature file. So much of beekeeping is location related. My first thought when I read this is, "Titi is blooming." And it would be about the right time in southeastern USA. Titi nectar is slightly toxic to brood, and will cause dead patches. But then, after some looking around, I see that you, Ken, are not in the Southeastern US, so this is unlikely. Perhaps you have another plant that is toxic, or perhaps it is pesticide poisoning, chilled brood, or chalkbrood, sacbrood, etc. But the answer is probably better if it comes from someone who knows your area. And most won't bother to look it up. Hope you find your answer. Dead brood is important, and I would not stop until I found out why... -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "Ken Bullock" wrote in message news:D0GM8.4959$f52.681133@news-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > The enterane area of one of my hives has about 100 dead larvie scatered > about. What could that problem and what would be the solution? Thanks for > your help... Ken... > > -- > Visit my web site for woodturning Tools, Videos and E-Books > > > > > > Article 32396 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <5542a326.0206090004.2e6aab65@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: please help me :my hives have disease Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 12:55:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1023627338 24.31.194.116 (Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:55:38 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 08:55:38 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32396 This is mysterious. I suspect that you have more than one problem at the same time. Sometimes weakened bees become more susceptible to other problems than they would be if they had been healthy. Nosema is extremely common and your description sounds like something much worse than nosema. Nosema affects the adults, but would not affect brood, unless the case is so severe that the majority of adults are dying. Again I suspect that there is another facter operative here. A couple more thoughts. Has anyone sprayed insecticides on something that is blooming, within reach of your bees? They could be bringing poison back to the hives. Have you checked for parasites? Varroa mites? tracheal mites? Afro-beetles? We have a local problem here, with two plant nectar sources that are toxic to brood. We don't know where you are, so have little idea of this possibility. Where are you located, Farid? What season are you in right now? -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "farid" wrote in message news:5542a326.0206090004.2e6aab65@posting.google.com... > Please help me: my hives have disease with following signs: > What is disease? > Signs in combs: dead larvae in unsealed cell > Appearance of Brood nest > Few or many dead larvae in cells at middle and edge of brood nest > Color and Consistency of dead Larvae > Dark – white in various sizes > Odor: normal > Laboratory results: nosema disease > Before consumption of fumagilin: > Honeybees have constipation and pushing of their swollen abdomen > causes ejection of feces to out. > After consumption of fumagilin: Honeybees don’t have > constipation but a watery matter is coming out. > Some honeybees excrete some sticky matter. > After some hives were transferred in neighborhood of my hives, my > hives take this disease > Some honeybees can not fly and fall down in front of hives. population > of hives is low Article 32397 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Lines: 28 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 13:05:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1023627924 24.31.194.116 (Sun, 09 Jun 2002 09:05:24 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 09:05:24 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32397 wrote >could make about $100 > US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 > hives before he would have to have help. It will COST you from $50 to $100 per hive to maintain each, even more, if you move them around much. To NET $100 per hive per year, you have to have either 1. very good retail honey market, or 2. a good mix of sales of nucs, pollination service and honey production. or 3. some specialty that you are very good at, such as pollen or propolis production, or 4. an unusaually rich and problem-free area of nectar sources. You friend sounds like someone who hasn't done it. Average income can also be greately impacted by pesticide hits, bear damage and/or vandalism. The old rule of thumb for strictly honey production used to be that one person could maintain 1000 hives in northern USA, and that is the figure usually understood to be the minimum to make a living. That was a generation or two ago, and I'm not sure if it's true anymore. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32398 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Bees Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 08:47:35 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 24 Sender: spamblock@spamblock.com Message-ID: References: <6262-3CFD4ED9-792@storefull-2252.public.lawson.webtv.net> <3D00B995.336496C@atlas.localdomain> Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2286.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1023650390 8567 217.134.104.238 (9 Jun 2002 19:19:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 2002 19:19:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!spamblock.com!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32398 On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Louise Adderholdt wrote: >Here are two good links describing the mason bee and how to build boxes >for the females to lay their eggs. I built about 20 of them and have >hung them in various places (plus I've given some away to friends). >The ones on my lower deck are always full. I put galvanized tin on mine >and turned the backside up and bored two holes in them so that I could >more easily mount them to a post or shed and give a little better >protection from the rain. > >http://gardening.wsu.edu/library/inse006/inse006.htm > >http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/ent/notes/Other/orn_t109/not109.html These pages are related to the Orchard Mason Bee, do you think the nests will work for Osmia Rufa, the Red Mason Bee? I want to make up some nest blocks for my garden, because I resent paying 10UKP for a plastic tube with a dozen cardboard tubes stuffed inside from the Oxford Bee Company. -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 32399 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bill Hughes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? 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When you factor in bad weather, illness, etc a 1000 is about right. If your hives produce the average (in Tennessee last year it was 61 lbs) you would have 61,000 pounds of honey to market at .90 cents your gross would equal $54,900.00 less 30,000.00 ($30 per hive maint. cost) leaves $24,900.00 to live on and pay all other expenses. Hope this helps. wrote in message news:3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net... > I am thinking about keeping a few hives next year, and was thinking > about it in terms of extra income. I had a friend of mine that kept > hives tell me that, on an average, that a person could make about $100 > US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 > hives before he would have to have help. > I thought this sounded a little far-fetched. > How much money could a one-man operation earn, and how many hives > could one man care for? > Thanx in advance. Article 32400 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top-bar mating nucs Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:32:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.81.126.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1023683534 12.81.126.110 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:32:14 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 04:32:14 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:493 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32400 I've just posted some photos of my top-bar mating nucs made out of 6 inch flowerpots. Take a look, they have been a lot of fun to experiment with. I'll let you know how successful they have been once I run a few cycles through them. http://home.att.net/~gstyer/flowerpotnucs.html I am next going to experiment with the Miller method using these nucs by trimming the drawn comb back after they are laid up and putting them back into a queenless colony. After the queen cells are built, I'll put them into the flowerpots. -- Geo Sacramento, in California's Great Central Valley To reply via e-mail, get the L out of there Article 32401 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "wuffman" From: "wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Lines: 42 Organization: http://www.wuffman.com X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 07:16:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023693414 67.227.197.127 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:16:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 00:16:54 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!ply1.onvoy!upp1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32401 Do these figures in clude polination services? How much does it cost to have a crop or orchard polinated? Brian "Dave Green" wrote in message news:ooIM8.56480$Ir1.3285724@twister.southeast.rr.com... > > wrote > > >could make about $100 > > US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 > > hives before he would have to have help. > > It will COST you from $50 to $100 per hive to maintain each, even more, > if you move them around much. To NET $100 per hive per year, you have to > have either 1. very good retail honey market, or 2. a good mix of sales of > nucs, pollination service and honey production. or 3. some specialty that > you are very good at, such as pollen or propolis production, or 4. an > unusaually rich and problem-free area of nectar sources. You friend sounds > like someone who hasn't done it. > > Average income can also be greately impacted by pesticide hits, bear > damage and/or vandalism. > > The old rule of thumb for strictly honey production used to be that one > person could maintain 1000 hives in northern USA, and that is the figure > usually understood to be the minimum to make a living. That was a generation > or two ago, and I'm not sure if it's true anymore. > > -- > Dave Green SC USA > The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com > > > Article 32402 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Newly hived swarm Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:41:32 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.130.147 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1023702375 80.4.130.147 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:46:15 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:46:15 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32402 Hello all, I'm very excited about what I have just observed in the hive that I recently filled with "My first swarm" - 27/05/02 I have been right through the hive which is currently a BS brood box + super with no Queen excluder. Throughout both the super and the brood chamber is a considerable pattern of brood, both capped and earlier stages. For my first new colony I am delighted that it seems to be going very smoothly. I have seen a lot of activity around the hive and despite some fairly indifferent weather recently in Nottingham, England there has been a consistently high amount of coming and going. In the garden we have seen bees on various blooms and especially on 2 Cordilyne "palm" trees which are flowering vigorously (There are a number of these in the area and I suspect that many are supplying my foragers!). I have no particular question or query but as a new, and still very excited, beekeeper (sad for a 38yr old cynical cop!) I wanted to share this with people who will hopefully understand and not roll their eyes with boredom as some of my friends are beginning to do. Thanks all for your patience and keep the advice and discussions going. John Ford Article 32403 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:16:27 -0700 Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.214 Message-ID: <3d04b191_2@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1023717777 209.23.11.214 (10 Jun 2002 09:02:57 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32404 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: usda beelabs funding update Date: 10 Jun 2002 08:27:48 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 84 Message-ID: References: <1023542878.396007@savina> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-586.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sfo2-feed1.news.algx.net!allegiance!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32404 Teri quoted an AP news story: > Senators Will Not Pare Terror Bill > Thu Jun 6, 9:04 PM ET > By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer > ...and language directing the Agriculture Department to not carry > out Bush's budget proposal to eliminate federal honey bee research. The AP story was wrong. The "anti-terrorism bill" (S.2551/H.R.4775) does NOT tell the Agriculture Department to do anything about the bee labs. Saving the bee labs will have to be done when the USDA budget is addressed by the House and Senate "mark-ups" later this summer, or in the fall. (I have confirmed this with a contact at the USDA ARS who works on the ARS budget, and stays very well informed on such issues.) The AP put out an updated version of the same story at 2am Jun 7th that did not mention the bee labs, which is what passes for a "retraction" at Associated Press. The good news is that the Senate has expressed its view of closing the bee labs, here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/z?cp107:sr156: (If the URL does not work when you click on it, add the colon at the end by hand in your web browser address bar. Web browsers do not like colons at the end of a URL.) The bee-related text of the the report is: Committee Report - Senate Rpt. 107-156 S.2551 AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH SERVICE SALARIES AND EXPENSES ...The Committee is disturbed by proposals submitted in the President's budget request for fiscal year 2003 that would eliminate a number of critical agricultural research projects that have been established through congressional directives over the past 2 years. The only apparent rationale for these reductions by this and previous Administrations is an attitude that research priorities of the Congress have no merit on their face and seem not worthy of, at least, a thoughtful analysis by the Executive Branch in terms of budgetary and subject-matter priorities. In addition, the President is proposing to terminate a number of important Federal research locations, including locations at which honey bee research is conducted. The accidental introduction of varroa and tracheal mites in the United States during the mid-1980's has reduced the once-thriving populations of feral honey bees by more than 80 percent. These bees are necessary for the continued pollination of crops and wild plants. The Committee finds the proposed elimination of honey bee research at three Federal locations, in spite of serious reductions in bee populations and consequences related to pollination, which might adversely affect the world's food supply, extremely short-sighted and based on an unfortunate, and mistaken, assumption by the Executive Branch that all meaningful research must originate with it. The Committee directs the Secretary to take no action which would reduce research activities proposed for elimination in advance of congressional direction in that regard. So, while the bee labs were not "saved" by the votes on S.2551/H.R.4775, the good news is that the bee labs are NOT "pork" attached to the anti-terrorism bill. I think that all can agree that we do not want the bee labs funded by slimy and backhanded methods, like attaching "pork" to a bill of importance to national defense. The other good news is that the Senate appears to be just as angry as the House about the lack of funding for the bee labs, and has gone on record with clear and compelling language in support of the bee labs. I am very surprised that the Senate is clueful about bee research. One really could not ask for more. jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32405 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Double hive Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:43:10 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <9lv9gu0sf7slbabs5peibfvp4jdt6bi1ig@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-65.armenelos.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1023738016 26057 62.136.125.65 (10 Jun 2002 19:40:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2002 19:40:16 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32405 Does anybody recognise/use this method of building a 'super colony'? I was down in Dorset last week and visited a gentleman that described how he used the following method. The hive was built up as follows from the bottom up; Brood, QE, two supers,Snelgrove, Brood, clearing board and two more supers on top of that. Cant remember exactly how he said it worked now but the principle was that the two supers on top cleared down into the top brood box whilst the bottom coloney filled up the two middle supers. What he would then do was to come along the following week, take off the two cleared supers for taking back home, remove the top brood, remove the middle supers, and remove the bottom brood box. The top brood box would then go to the bottom of the stack, a QE and two new supers on top of this, a Snelgrove board, then the top brood box, the clearing board and then the two supers taken from the middle of the original stack. What he then did (I think) was to reverse the openings on the front of the Snelgrove board. The idea being that any flying bees from the top colony would now re-enter the bottom colony. The principle simply being to use two laying queens to produce a high number of bees in one colony. Does anybody have experience of this method? Article 32406 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: OSR - Canola Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:46:08 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-65.armenelos.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1023738193 26057 62.136.125.65 (10 Jun 2002 19:43:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2002 19:43:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32406 Anybody any suggestions as to how to produce a clear OSR/Canola honey. It doesn't seem to matter what I do it either stays cloudy or is too thick to pass through a finer filter. Also, once the honey has been re-melted, does it ever set back to the firm white solid it starts out as? When I say starts out as I mean that I left it on the hive too long and had to melt it out a first time, but then it set to solid white mass. However, when re-melting it seems to have remained a lot more fluid and has still not set after over a week. Article 32407 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:34:12 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-970.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1023741245 31707 62.25.167.202 (10 Jun 2002 20:34:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2002 20:34:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32407 Depends on the man! wrote in message news:3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net... > I am thinking about keeping a few hives next year, and was thinking > about it in terms of extra income. I had a friend of mine that kept > hives tell me that, on an average, that a person could make about $100 > US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 > hives before he would have to have help. > I thought this sounded a little far-fetched. > How much money could a one-man operation earn, and how many hives > could one man care for? > Thanx in advance. Article 32408 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 18 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 10 Jun 2002 21:05:25 GMT References: <3d04b191_2@corp.newsgroups.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Message-ID: <20020610170525.00389.00000562@mb-fb.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!yellow.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32408 Why 50 to 100 dollars per hive? What are these expenses from? Feed, you don't get a crop unless your hives are strong before the flow. Requeening. Acaricides, you don't get a crop if your hives are dead or weak from mites. Replacement foundation, combs get old Various drugs for foulbrood nosema,etc Stuff rots, or gets painted. Gets smashed by bears destroyed by moths. Hive beetles are a problem in some places. Yrucks don't run for free. Article 32409 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mason Bees Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:53:07 +0100 Lines: 2 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-41.anarrima.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1023749413 14496 62.136.107.41 (10 Jun 2002 22:50:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 10 Jun 2002 22:50:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32409 Quick question - do Mason Bees sting? Article 32410 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: usda beelabs funding update/correction Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:55:26 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1023750074.656060@savina> References: <1023542878.396007@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 86 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32410 many thanks to jim for the corrected details... Teri quoted an AP news story: > Senators Will Not Pare Terror Bill > Thu Jun 6, 9:04 PM ET > By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer > ...and language directing the Agriculture Department to not carry > out Bush's budget proposal to eliminate federal honey bee research. The AP story was wrong. The "anti-terrorism bill" (S.2551/H.R.4775) does NOT tell the Agriculture Department to do anything about the bee labs. Saving the bee labs will have to be done when the USDA budget is addressed by the House and Senate "mark-ups" later this summer, or in the fall. (I have confirmed this with a contact at the USDA ARS who works on the ARS budget, and stays very well informed on such issues.) The AP put out an updated version of the same story at 2am Jun 7th that did not mention the bee labs, which is what passes for a "retraction" at Associated Press. The good news is that the Senate has expressed its view of closing the bee labs, here: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/z?cp107:sr156: (If the URL does not work when you click on it, add the colon at the end by hand in your web browser address bar. Web browsers do not like colons at the end of a URL.) The bee-related text of the the report is: Committee Report - Senate Rpt. 107-156 S.2551 AGRICULTURAL RESEARCH SERVICE SALARIES AND EXPENSES ...The Committee is disturbed by proposals submitted in the President's budget request for fiscal year 2003 that would eliminate a number of critical agricultural research projects that have been established through congressional directives over the past 2 years. The only apparent rationale for these reductions by this and previous Administrations is an attitude that research priorities of the Congress have no merit on their face and seem not worthy of, at least, a thoughtful analysis by the Executive Branch in terms of budgetary and subject-matter priorities. In addition, the President is proposing to terminate a number of important Federal research locations, including locations at which honey bee research is conducted. The accidental introduction of varroa and tracheal mites in the United States during the mid-1980's has reduced the once-thriving populations of feral honey bees by more than 80 percent. These bees are necessary for the continued pollination of crops and wild plants. The Committee finds the proposed elimination of honey bee research at three Federal locations, in spite of serious reductions in bee populations and consequences related to pollination, which might adversely affect the world's food supply, extremely short-sighted and based on an unfortunate, and mistaken, assumption by the Executive Branch that all meaningful research must originate with it. The Committee directs the Secretary to take no action which would reduce research activities proposed for elimination in advance of congressional direction in that regard. So, while the bee labs were not "saved" by the votes on S.2551/H.R.4775, the good news is that the bee labs are NOT "pork" attached to the anti-terrorism bill. I think that all can agree that we do not want the bee labs funded by slimy and backhanded methods, like attaching "pork" to a bill of importance to national defense. The other good news is that the Senate appears to be just as angry as the House about the lack of funding for the bee labs, and has gone on record with clear and compelling language in support of the bee labs. I am very surprised that the Senate is clueful about bee research. One really could not ask for more. jim http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32411 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dakidd@sonic.net (Don Bruder) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Bees Message-ID: References: Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited Lines: 22 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:28:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1023751736 209.204.149.241 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:28:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:28:56 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32411 In article , Steve Newport wrote: > Quick question - do Mason Bees sting? Only the females. Males lack the parts. Even so, like most bumblebees, "true" Bombus included, they generally have to be pretty sorely abused before they'll sting you. Unless they're defending the nest-site - then of course, all bets are off, and all my advice becomes null and void! I don't exactly go out of my way to pick up either bumbles or honeybees, but the few times I have (mostly when I've found one struggling in one of the dozen or so horse troughs we've got on the property) I've had zero problems with getting "zapped". More often than not, they just lay on my hand occasionally going "Bzzzt! BZZZT! BZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTT!", kinda like they can't quite "get their motor to fire", until they're dry enough to fly home. One mason was particularly adventurous when I fished her out of the horse trough just a couple days ago, and scampered up inside my sleeve (which gave me a mighty case of the nervous twitches until I got her shook back down to my hand) but she didn't sting. Article 32412 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Subject: Re: green rain.... From: Peter Kerr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <110620021200219424%user@host.domain> References: <100620021453081126%user@host.domain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mail-Copies-To: nobody User-Agent: YA-NewsWatcher/5.0.1 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz Lines: 35 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: scream.auckland.ac.nz X-Original-Trace: 11 Jun 2002 12:00:30 +1200, scream.auckland.ac.nz Organization: CLEAR Net New Zealand http://www.clear.net.nz - Complaints abuse@clear.net.nz X-GC-Trace: gv1-/MV+utVxWD0cE9683njZbqKwHNDDcfSBUVjTqEvI4QJuBkyB3I= NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:00:33 CDT X-Trace: sv3-GkDvRSfeyTJXkf9R4nfbZoDK8AJKZC2bE5ZpuVUfJVBRO/3xxEpNIWqY1GeincN6vMrzTNqmSRWDXp7!vULAdpZctw+A8sYSiruxV5Hj0wTgALySmgPus2kqJ+Gm5uF5eEWDRdLNO2s8x6q/UJot9cY= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 00:00:33 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32412 From another list: NZBkprs@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:50:23 +1200 Subject: [NZBkprs] (The Hindu) 'Undigested pollen discharge caused coloured rain' 'Undigested pollen discharge caused coloured rain' Kolkata, June 10. (PTI): Green and yellow rain at Basirhat in North 24 Parganas over the weekend, which led to consternation, were caused by undigested pollen discharges from bees, scientists have discovered. Green drizzles on Friday and Saturday that changed to yellow on Sunday, were actually due to undigested remains of bee food discharged in the air, West Bengal Environment Minister and Chairman of the West Bengal Pollution Control Board Manab Mukherjee told reporters here today. ``WBPCB scientists collected samples from Sangrampur village in the district and after analysis found that the colouration was due to discharges by a huge swarm of bees,'' Mukherjee said. The sample contained undigested pollen remains from a number of flowering foliage like parthenium, coconut, mango and common grass, revealing no metallic or acidic content. Urging people to remain calm, the Minister said, apart from those allergic to pollen, the coloured rains were not harmful. Scientists were earlier apprehensive that chemical pollutants from nearby brick kilns could be a probable reason behind the bizarre phenomenon. Director of the Regional Meteorological department K K Chakraborty said such phenomenon reported in Cambodia and Kerala had been attributed to air pollution. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Article 32413 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:21:58 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0b.7a.bc X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 2002 00:21:55 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32413 It all depends on the motivation you have. Beekeeping is hard manual labor that will wear your body and mind. It can be done though, despite all the problems. All you need is perseverance, a little luck and some good organization. It is not the easiest job that you will ever take on, but probably the most rewarding. To be successful you will have to do a variety of things, not just honey production. There's pollen contracts, queen rearing, or selling packages and nucs which is probably needed to supplement your income. And there's things like propolis production, royal jelly, pollen and wax rendering that you could specialize in to increase revenues. 1000 hives to a man! Less than that and the bank will take everything you have because you won't be able to pay the bills. It's hard to consider cost in beekeeping since there are so many variables. My advice: keep bees for a few years and grow you enterprise to 100 hives. If you can keep 100 hives in good shape while still working at you day job, you can manage 1000 full time. Christopher Petree Article 32414 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A trick for beekeepers & gardeners Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5.uncensored-news.com Message-ID: <3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@uncensored-news.com Send only the header of the offending post, DO NOT attach any file. X-Comment: NOTICE: Uncensored-News.Com does not condone, nor support, spam, illegal or copyrighted postings. X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 11 Jun 2002 01:37:45 +0100 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!feed2.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32414 I have found a trick to keep bugs off of tomatoe plants and does not seem to affect bees, that I would like to share with the group. It's sprinkling your plants with a little powder snuff. It's better than soap water because too much soap can kill your plants and better than squeezing which is time killing. ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><> Article 32415 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:11:51 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3d054c76.10176685@news1.radix.net> References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p22.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32415 On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:21:58 -0400, "Christopher Petree" wrote: >It all depends on the motivation you have. Beekeeping is hard manual labor >that will wear your body and mind. It can be done though, despite all the >problems. All you need is perseverance, a little luck and some good >organization. It is not the easiest job that you will ever take on, but >probably the most rewarding. > >To be successful you will have to do a variety of things, not just honey >production. There's pollen contracts, queen rearing, or selling packages and >nucs which is probably needed to supplement your income. And there's things >like propolis production, royal jelly, pollen and wax rendering that you >could specialize in to increase revenues. > >1000 hives to a man! Less than that and the bank will take everything you >have because you won't be able to pay the bills. > >It's hard to consider cost in beekeeping since there are so many variables. >My advice: keep bees for a few years and grow you enterprise to 100 hives. >If you can keep 100 hives in good shape while still working at you day job, >you can manage 1000 full time. > >Christopher Petree > I gross around 100K a year working 180 hives. I am not rich but I do get by comfortably. Specialty markets are out there and become what you make them. I haven't harvested any honey in six or eight years. beekeep Greg Ferris Southern Maryland Article 32416 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top-bar mating nucs Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:24:00 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.3b X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 2002 01:23:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:499 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32416 Very interesting concept! I have been using the mating nucs that you can get from Mann Lake. These work well but I don't like the fact they are made of styrofoam. I had much rather have woodenware items...something more natural. I think I might try your method since I have the clay pots in abundance. I like mini-mating nucs better than full size nucs because they are much easier to work and they don't use so much materials (like my much needed brood frames). Christopher Petree Article 32417 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Top-bar mating nucs Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <8zcN8.8096$k85.3605@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:41:24 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.184.232.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023759684 63.184.232.229 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:41:24 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:41:24 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!872dc473!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:500 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32417 "George Styer" wrote in message news:iZVM8.32521$UT.2288778@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > I've just posted some photos of my top-bar mating nucs made out of 6 inch > flowerpots. This actually is kinda neet. Flower Pots are pretty cheap. Kinda like an upside skep of sorts. It might be neet to jus try letting the bees work a large terra cotta pot, and let them use the drainage hole as their entrance. Place the hive on top of two parallel 2x4s or something. Very portable. I really like it. Has anyone tried this on a more permanent basis in a largish pot? 40-60liters? I think I may. Scot Mc Pherson Article 32418 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scot Mc Pherson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> Subject: Re: A trick for beekeepers & gardeners Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 01:44:55 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.184.232.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023759895 63.184.232.229 (Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:44:55 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:44:55 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!872dc473!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32418 "William C" wrote in message news:3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com... > I have found a trick to keep bugs off of tomatoe plants and does not seem to > affect bees, that I would like to share with the group. It's sprinkling > your plants with a little powder snuff. It's better than soap water because > too much soap can kill your plants and better than squeezing which is time > killing. Well that might work, and it might be ok with some plants, but MANY plant are allergic to the aleopaths that tobacco produces. It will kill many plants. Another alternative is to make a pepper spray, out of red pepper juice and water. Scot Mc Pherson Article 32419 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Todd Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Planting flowers for the bees Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:23:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.77.91.247 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1023762208 12.77.91.247 (Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:23:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 02:23:28 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!paradoxa.ogoense.net!lnsnews.lns.cornell.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32419 On Sat, 18 May 2002 05:13:17 GMT, "Wuffman" wrote: >I am going to be getting my bees newxt week, I know its a bit late and I am >not planning on getting any honey this year... but I would like to have 2 >good hives for this winter. > >I have about 1/3 of an acre here that I can till under and plant. I was >wondering what should I plant that will flower summer long and into the >early winter that the bees would like to have... > >I live in Salem oregon... > >Brian > How about Bee Balm???? Article 32420 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A trick for beekeepers & gardeners Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:34:54 -0400 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023762895 3791443 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32420 And tobacco can carry mosaic virus, which will infect your tomatoes. Not only should you not use nicotine on them, you shouldn't even go into the garden after smoking without washing your hands. "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote ... > > Well that might work, and it might be ok with some plants, but MANY plant > are allergic to the aleopaths that tobacco produces. It will kill many > plants. > Article 32421 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: 10 Jun 2002 23:00:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 26 Message-ID: <993fd181.0206102200.79f02f4b@posting.google.com> References: <3d04b191_2@corp.newsgroups.com> <20020610170525.00389.00000562@mb-fb.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.16.67.172 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023775236 25344 127.0.0.1 (11 Jun 2002 06:00:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2002 06:00:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32421 beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote in message news:<20020610170525.00389.00000562@mb-fb.aol.com>... > Why 50 to 100 dollars per hive? What are these expenses from? > > > > Feed, you don't get a crop unless your hives are strong before the flow. > Requeening. > Acaricides, you don't get a crop if your hives are dead or weak from mites. > Replacement foundation, combs get old > Various drugs for foulbrood nosema,etc > Stuff rots, or gets painted. Gets smashed by bears destroyed by moths. > Hive beetles are a problem in some places. > Yrucks don't run for free. And... Beeyard rental(cash or honey) Extracting equipment and containers liability insurance(YOUR bee stung me and caused me to wreck my Mercedes) honey house labor(I dont think you could run 1000 without some help from time to time) supplies(an endless amount of small stuff) and if you manage to eke out any money after all that...SE taxes!!! all figured on a per hive basis for convenience .So those figures are not unrealistic. Article 32422 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D05ED08.D73EBC15@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Flowers for Bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 9 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:04:52 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.186 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1023818692 67.251.117.186 (Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:04:52 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:04:52 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32422 Each year I till 3 areas (whatever size you want) and plant buckwheat. I plant one in April, one in May, and one in June. That way, the crop continues. Bee love it! louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32423 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:07:09 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 3f.0b.7a.5b X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 2002 20:07:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32423 I started using Bee-Quick this year and I have had some problems with it. I bought the fume board from Brushy Mountain which is where I also bought the Bee-Quick. I painted the fume board black like recommended. The day I started using it, I set the fume board in the sun to warm-up (it stayed in the sun maybe 30-40 mins.). Needless to say it got pretty warm. I went to the hive and smoked the entrance then lifted the outer and inner cover and gave a few puffs there. I put a small amount in rows just like suggested where it would line up with the space between the frames. It wasn't an exact lineup but who could make it exact? I set the fume board on and waited...then waited some more. After 7 minutes I came back and 1/2 of the bees where still there. I decided that I did not apply enough, so I added more. The bees still did not leave. I added more; I was getting angry at this time because the bees where wanting to rob and I was getting hot. I, at that pointed, come to the conclusion I would run the bees out one way or the other if it took the whole bottle. I added a liberal amount and still nothing happened. I ended up smoking them out with my smoker. What have I done wrong? I was in the full sun and it was well into the 80's. I was just trying to get one super off at a time. No brood was present. Please advise since Bee-Quick smells a lot better than the other brands. It would be great if I could get it to work. Christopher Petree Article 32424 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: The Continuing Adventures of a Rookie and his Bees Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:31:36 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3CFA7742.1838F06E@boeing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-75-139.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1023828108 25307 62.11.75.139 (11 Jun 2002 20:41:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2002 20:41:48 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:503 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32424 Not it always ends well, in the period in which you/they don't find a lot of nectar, they are not very calm and you/they can fiercely sting > > All's well that ends well, I guess. :) > Article 32425 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dwallace@llbean.com (mainelybees) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A trick for beekeepers & gardeners Date: 11 Jun 2002 13:45:09 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <575b634e.0206111245.199df25a@posting.google.com> References: <3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.75.206.51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023828310 5186 127.0.0.1 (11 Jun 2002 20:45:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2002 20:45:10 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32425 "KOland" wrote in message news:... > And tobacco can carry mosaic virus, which will infect your tomatoes. Not > only should you not use nicotine on them, you shouldn't even go into the > garden after smoking without washing your hands. > > > "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote ... > > > > Well that might work, and it might be ok with some plants, but MANY plant > > are allergic to the aleopaths that tobacco produces. It will kill many > > plants. > > That is an excellent point. I have been a smokeless tobacco user for years. I am also an avid gardener, though I don't eat many vegetables. It wasn't until just a few years ago that I realized that the problems with my tomato plants stemmed (no pun intended) from my chewing tobacco!!! Not only did I have it on my fingers while I was planting my seedlings but I was constantly spitting tobacco juice while in the garden. So, though I don't eat tomatoes, yuk, but I don't chew tobacco in the garden anymore. David Article 32426 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Bees Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:06:47 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-740.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1023829602 10280 62.25.166.228 (11 Jun 2002 21:06:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2002 21:06:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32426 Quick answer - no (or, at least, not humans). "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:pdbaguc5udqp5mjaoq7etshfmlcrl6fsjp@4ax.com... > Quick question - do Mason Bees sting? > Article 32427 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:07:40 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-740.hottie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1023829651 16485 62.25.166.228 (11 Jun 2002 21:07:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 11 Jun 2002 21:07:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32427 "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:ae3fr3$5i$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net... > It all depends on the motivation you have. Beekeeping is hard manual labor > that will wear your body and mind Wear - or develop? Peter Edwards Article 32428 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:35:09 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 3 Message-ID: References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.e2.f4.d2 X-Server-Date: 11 Jun 2002 21:35:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32428 As in, "My back hurts! or "I'm stressed out!" Article 32429 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D0678C4.5E8F06AF@not.a.real.address.mil> From: Tsu Doh Nimh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD477 (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mason Bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@randori.com - Please include ALL headers only, thanks. Organization: Randori News - http://www.randori.com - Try our FREE Usenet Scanner! Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:24:39 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news-xfer2.newshosting.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeder.randori.com!news2.randori.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32429 Peter Edwards wrote: > > Quick answer - no (or, at least, not humans). > > "Steve Newport" wrote in message > news:pdbaguc5udqp5mjaoq7etshfmlcrl6fsjp@4ax.com... > > Quick question - do Mason Bees sting? > > But a similar species, the Shriner Bee, rides in small cars, wears a fez, and produces balloon animals for children at parades. :-) Tsu Article 32430 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Newly hived swarm Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:36:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-58-137.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1023834984 23707 213.122.58.137 (11 Jun 2002 22:36:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:36:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32430 Nice to see someone else stung by the bug. A little feeding may help things along as there is a gap in nectar flow at the moment. Bumble. London. Article 32431 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Jars Date: 11 Jun 2002 19:12:11 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.10.124.184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023847931 21394 127.0.0.1 (12 Jun 2002 02:12:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2002 02:12:11 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32431 Should new honey jars and buckets be washed before they are used to store honey? Chris Article 32432 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jperryNOSPAMneal@yahoo.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Reply-To: jperryNOSPAMneal@yahoo.com Message-ID: <3d07668d.5597169@news.earthlink.net> References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:22:47 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.27.106.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023895367 208.27.106.94 (Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:22:47 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:22:47 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uchicago.edu!yellow.newsread.com!bad-news.newsread.com!netaxs.com!newsread.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!a043bac3!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32432 Many thanks to those of you that have contributed to this thread. Your answers have shown me that there is a lot more to bees than just setting up hives and collecting honey, and a lot more that comes from bees than just honey. One more question: There are lot of magazines out there for beekeepers, does anyone here have a favorite that they could recommend? Again, thanks. I feel that, despite what resources there are available, that I need to at least touch base with someone that has an operation before attempting to raise them myself. J. Perry Neal On Sun, 09 Jun 2002 06:02:03 GMT, jperryNOSPAMneal@yahoo.com wrote: >I am thinking about keeping a few hives next year, and was thinking >about it in terms of extra income. I had a friend of mine that kept >hives tell me that, on an average, that a person could make about $100 >US per hive per year, and that one person could keep upwards of 300 >hives before he would have to have help. >I thought this sounded a little far-fetched. >How much money could a one-man operation earn, and how many hives >could one man care for? >Thanx in advance. Article 32433 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:28:42 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3d03ee49.5125171@news.earthlink.net> <3d07668d.5597169@news.earthlink.net> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.91 X-Server-Date: 12 Jun 2002 15:28:38 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32433 I think these are probably the embodiment of what a beekeeping magazine should be: American Bee Journal and Bee Culture. I think most people here would agree. Christopher Petree Article 32434 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee Quick Date: 12 Jun 2002 09:19:24 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3NtL8.970$jH4.541@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-808.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32434 Christopher said: >I started using Bee-Quick this year and I have had > some problems with it... Sorry about the delay in responding. We do not read this newsgroup often, and expect questions to be sent via our website or via e-mail. It sounds like you were following instructions. If so, all we can suggest is that you try the "breeze board" approach, as mentioned here: http://www.bee-quick.com/bee-quick/use.html After testing for a few months, we have found that the breeze board out-performs fume boards every time, except of course, when it is dead calm, without even a hint of breeze. Send an e-mail and tell us what happens, and also include the batch code number printed in black on the plastic of the bottle. jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com Article 32435 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What does it mean when ..... Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5.uncensored-news.com Message-ID: <3d07a8b0_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. 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X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 12 Jun 2002 21:01:52 +0100 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-SanJose!propagator-SanJose!in.nntp.be!news-in-sanjose!feed2.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32435 What does it mean when the bees are outside on the front and side of the super.... all evenly spaced with their tail ends point skyward and moving back and forth almost in unison, like dancing? ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><> Article 32436 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: nucskep@yahoo.com (Nuc Skep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: 12 Jun 2002 13:22:54 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 11 Message-ID: <9936fa52.0206121222.3b23ee27@posting.google.com> References: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.193.167.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1023913376 23834 127.0.0.1 (12 Jun 2002 20:22:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 12 Jun 2002 20:22:56 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32436 I doubt the manufacturer washes them before putting them in the box. Even clean looking glass jars may have residues of machinery oil and dust on them. I always run mine through the dishwasher. Nuc. drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) wrote in message news:<1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com>... > Should new honey jars and buckets be washed before > they are used to store honey? > > Chris Article 32437 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 12 Jun 2002 22:40:29 GMT References: <3d07a8b0_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: What does it mean when ..... Message-ID: <20020612184029.12238.00000146@mb-cn.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32437 The bees are happy, I have never seen a colony in poor health do this. By the way it's called "washboarding" but you usually see it on the bottom board near the entrance. Article 32438 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: John Caldeira Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: What does it mean when ..... Message-ID: <93ufgusj16teffgebhjg5ul42hk3r77m24@4ax.com> References: <3d07a8b0_1@news5.uncensored-news.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 14 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:46:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.33.104.125 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1023932790 4.33.104.125 (Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:46:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:46:30 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!329a47a8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32438 "William C" wrote: >What does it mean when the bees are outside on the front and side of the >super.... all evenly spaced with their tail ends point skyward and moving >back and forth almost in unison, like dancing? The cause of washboard behavior is unknown, as far as I know. It happens most often in populous colonies towards the end of a nectar flow, and is not associated with any disease or problem. John John Caldeira Dallas, Texas, USA http://www.outdoorplace.org/beekeeping Article 32439 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:52:29 -0400 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> <9936fa52.0206121222.3b23ee27@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1023933151 5127794 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32439 That would not be true of plastic, would it? No oil usually used and of course you can't put them in the dishwasher. "Nuc Skep" wrote in message news:9936fa52.0206121222.3b23ee27@posting.google.com... > I doubt the manufacturer washes them before putting them in the box. > Even clean looking glass jars may have residues of machinery oil and > dust on them. I always run mine through the dishwasher. > > Nuc. > > drazbacj@hotmail.com (Chris Drazba) wrote in message news:<1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com>... > > Should new honey jars and buckets be washed before > > they are used to store honey? > > > > Chris Article 32440 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D079085.A61FC20D@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars References: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 17 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:02:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.80 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1023948179 67.251.117.80 (Thu, 13 Jun 2002 02:02:59 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 02:02:59 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32440 Chris Drazba wrote: > > Should new honey jars and buckets be washed before > they are used to store honey? > > Chris I bought a few cases of small plastic jars. They were in sealed plastic bags, and so were the lids. I did not wash them. I don't know whether it's necessary or not. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32441 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 4 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: gamuddawg@aol.com (GAmuddawg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Jun 2002 20:49:36 GMT References: <20020607211605.15596.00000151@mb-cq.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Message-ID: <20020613164936.23250.00000074@mb-fi.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32441 Since I am fairly new at this wax processing, I have another question too. What is the best and safest way to clean the cappings and other wax and render them before filtering? Any experienced ideas on the process will be appreciated! Article 32442 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 10 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 13 Jun 2002 22:24:52 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bee Quick Message-ID: <20020613182452.17392.00000104@mb-me.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32442 Hi, So what your telling me the day after my partner and i buy a gallon of your product that to use it we must build new equipment and Ignore the equipment we have used for years. Gee I feel ever so good discovering this after spending $60 plus on a gallon of your goo and find it dosen't work! Why wasn't this reported LAST Year ? Cheers, Dave In Madison,WI Article 32443 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: evincill@comcast.net (Eric Vincill) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A trick for beekeepers & gardeners Date: 13 Jun 2002 18:56:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 45 Message-ID: <75213ab.0206131756.7f3635ec@posting.google.com> References: <3d054659_4@news5.uncensored-news.com> <575b634e.0206111245.199df25a@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.47.192.11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024019762 4531 127.0.0.1 (14 Jun 2002 01:56:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jun 2002 01:56:02 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32443 In order for plant viruses (e.g. tobacco mosaic virus)to spread, they usually need a "vector" of some sort....say an aphid that sucks the plant juices from an infected plant and goes to unifected plant and infects it when it sucks the juices from it causing some of the viruses to be transmitted to it. Sort of like a hypoderminc needle, where "dirty" needles spread diseases. However, all my life I have heard that one should not smoke (or chew) and touch tomato plants....so who knows???? EV in K-town dwallace@llbean.com (mainelybees) wrote in message news:<575b634e.0206111245.199df25a@posting.google.com>... > "KOland" wrote in message news:... > > And tobacco can carry mosaic virus, which will infect your tomatoes. Not > > only should you not use nicotine on them, you shouldn't even go into the > > garden after smoking without washing your hands. > > > > > > "Scot Mc Pherson" wrote ... > > > > > > Well that might work, and it might be ok with some plants, but MANY plant > > > are allergic to the aleopaths that tobacco produces. It will kill many > > > plants. > > > > > That is an excellent point. I have been a smokeless tobacco user for > years. I am also an avid gardener, though I don't eat many > vegetables. It wasn't until just a few years ago that I realized that > the problems with my tomato plants stemmed (no pun intended) from my > chewing tobacco!!! Not only did I have it on my fingers while I was > planting my seedlings but I was constantly spitting tobacco juice > while in the garden. So, though I don't eat tomatoes, yuk, but I > don't chew tobacco in the garden anymore. David Article 32444 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pat & Patty Eckert" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: USDA model extractor Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:02:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.194.10.29 X-Trace: news1.telusplanet.net 1024066925 207.194.10.29 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:02:05 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:02:05 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news1.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32444 Has anyone out there built the USDA extractor? I am looking at building one but it seems to me that if built to the plan, it won't take 4 frames. What am I missing? Article 32445 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tarheit@wcoil.com (Tim Arheit) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Date: 14 Jun 2002 16:27:14 GMT Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <20020607211605.15596.00000151@mb-cq.aol.com> <20020613164936.23250.00000074@mb-fi.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.201.241.46 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.alt.net!wcoil.com!usenet Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32445 On 13 Jun 2002 20:49:36 GMT, gamuddawg@aol.com (GAmuddawg) wrote: >Since I am fairly new at this wax processing, I have another question too. >What is the best and safest way to clean the cappings and other wax and render >them before filtering? Any experienced ideas on the process will be >appreciated! First I drain my cappings to get most of the honey out using an uncapping tank. (I don't have a spinner, and probably don't loose much honey anyways as I'm not a bit operation). Then I dump the cappings into a large stockpot and fill it with water. I heat this until the all the wax melts, then let the whole mess cool. The wax will be a solid block floating on top, still full of debris. I then take it and melt it down in a double boiler (really one stock pot inside a larger stock pot). And strain it though the same type of filter cloth you use for the honey into molds or breadpans, or whatever you want to put the wax in. It comes out really clean for me. My wife was at a seminar this spring that covered (among other things) how to clean wax. They were told that the method presented (requireing some special equiptment, etc.) produced cleaner wax than any other method. My wife noted that our clean wax looked just as clean as this more complicated method. Granted you don't get all the wax, It's not worth saving the slumgum and pressing out the couple of ounces of wax my method misses, but for my small operation it works just fine. -Tim Article 32446 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: USDA model extractor Lines: 13 Organization: The Mattes Family X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:10:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.160.176 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1024081825 68.65.160.176 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:10:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:10:25 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32446 where can I get the plans for it? "Pat & Patty Eckert" wrote in message news:NznO8.17098$mh.706126@news1.telusplanet.net... > Has anyone out there built the USDA extractor? I am looking at building one > but it seems to me that if built to the plan, it won't take 4 frames. What > am I missing? > > Article 32447 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 20:31:03 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.111 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024086663 67.227.197.111 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:31:03 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:31:03 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32447 Is there anyway to get honey out of the comb without an extractor? My swarm hive is doing so well right now I am going to have to add another western on top soon.... brian Article 32448 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pat & Patty Eckert" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: USDA model extractor Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:02:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.194.10.20 X-Trace: news2.telusplanet.net 1024088563 207.194.10.20 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:02:43 MDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:02:43 MDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!news2.telusplanet.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32448 Hi Scott: The plans can be downloaded at info@beesource.com and I think I answered my own question. It looks like the extractor is designed to stack 2 frames on each side. I wonder how well that works as I would thing the bottom frames would get covered in honey. Anyone have experience with this extractor? Article 32449 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA model extractor Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:35:46 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3d0a6167.343214363@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p7.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32449 On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 15:02:05 GMT, "Pat & Patty Eckert" wrote: >Has anyone out there built the USDA extractor? I am looking at building one >but it seems to me that if built to the plan, it won't take 4 frames. What >am I missing? > > If it was designed by the federal government you can't afford to build it! Or if you can, it won't work! beekeep Article 32450 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:15:22 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20020607211605.15596.00000151@mb-cq.aol.com> <20020613164936.23250.00000074@mb-fi.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-955.banzai.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1024093162 8780 62.25.231.187 (14 Jun 2002 22:19:22 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jun 2002 22:19:22 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32450 This uses a great deal of heat (i.e.. money) as the wax is melted twice. If you heat wax and rainwater (tap water often has lime which ruins the wax) until the water just boils, give it a stir to get the dirt into the water, turn off the heat and let stand for a few minutes and then ladle the wax from the top and pour it through a filter (old pair of tights in a sieve) you will get clean wax with only one melting. > Then I dump the cappings into a large stockpot and fill it with water. > I heat this until the all the wax melts, then let the whole mess cool. > The wax will be a solid block floating on top, still full of debris. > > I then take it and melt it down in a double boiler (really one stock > pot inside a larger stock pot). Article 32451 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bee-quick@bee-quick.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Extractor Date: 14 Jun 2002 19:19:24 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p-288.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news2.muc.eurocyber.net!eurocyber.net!newsfeed.vmunix.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32451 Wuffman asked: > Is there anyway to get honey out of the comb > without an extractor? Sure - one can remove the comb from the frame with a sharp knife, and squeeze the honey out of the comb in a fine-mesh bag or a (brand-new) ladies' stocking. But without an extractor, the best bet is "cut comb" where the comb is cut into squares, and served in the comb. jim bee-quick@bee-quick.com http://www.bee-quick.com Article 32452 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: cleaning frames up Lines: 12 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:30:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024119045 67.227.197.200 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:30:45 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:30:45 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32452 ok some of these older frames have wax all over them and the come is dark brown ( almost black in some spots) Can I stick the frames in boiling water to melt all the wax off or will it ruin the frames? I want to put new foundation in them... Also what are the holes drilled in the endbars for? The instructions say nothing about them. Brian Article 32453 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: sugar water Lines: 3 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 05:50:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.200 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024120209 67.227.197.200 (Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:50:09 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:50:09 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32453 when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... Article 32454 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: cleaning frames up Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:51:01 -0700 Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.54 Message-ID: <3d0b4301_3@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1024148225 209.23.11.54 (15 Jun 2002 08:37:05 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.wind.surfnet.nl!eurocyber.net!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!newsfeed.stueberl.de!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32454 Hi, I have processed many many combs this way. I use a 15 gallon barrel w/ imersion heater set at 190 degrees. 5 combs are tossed in for about 3 minutes then flipped over for the same. One can do about 10 deep boxes a day. The wax is thaen strained into molds. Then I process finer later. Then I mill into new foundation. The frames are then scraped down. I do not rewire them. I use a metal brush on the wires. Then using a wire crimper from brushy mountain (not very good quality as they only last for sevral hundred boxes, but their cheap) they are tightened back up. This save hours of labor rewiring. The holes in the end bars are for cross wiring the foundations. regards, Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32455 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:52:56 -0700 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.11.54 Message-ID: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1024148343 209.23.11.54 (15 Jun 2002 08:39:03 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32455 > when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... Use 1:1 ratio. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32456 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Jun 2002 14:39:50 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Message-ID: <20020615103950.11387.00000241@mb-mh.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32456 I am not sure if this is because of the lime in tap water but I learned to add a bit of white vinegar to the melt water and the wax does not seem to be damaged. Article 32457 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d04b191_2@corp.newsgroups.com> <20020610170525.00389.00000562@mb-fb.aol.com> Subject: Re: How much income can a one-person operation make? Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 11:47:08 -0700 Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.10.104 Message-ID: <3d0b5ebf_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1024155327 209.23.10.104 (15 Jun 2002 10:35:27 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32457 Hi, > Feed, I feed using the robinhood method. Giving combs from the rich to the poor colonies. (I feed only honey preferably in the comb). Minimal labor. > Acaricides, Only use FGMO. $5 per 50 colonies. Labor intensive however. > Various drugs for foulbrood nosema,etc Nope. Use colony shakedowns to deal w/ various diseases. (except AFB). Wax is recycled. > Stuff rots, or gets painted. Yes. this is an expense. I use a 3 year cycle for painting. > Replacement foundation, combs get old I make my own foundation. But the labor is there, but something that can be done on rainy days. > Yrucks don't run for free. Thats for certain. Mostly asked the question to see why the cost is so high. Seems to me that many beekeepers need to drive these costs down to make a profit. Let me ask a different question: What do "you" beekeepers do to keep costs down to improve profitability? Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32458 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 15 Jun 2002 16:14:29 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: jenter problems Message-ID: <20020615121429.18312.00001292@mb-cl.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32458 hi there, just been having problems with jenter. trapped queen. released queen after jenter fully laid up. come the day of grafting all larvae dissapeared. any ideas? anyone else had this happen? Article 32459 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "The Man" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Lines: 13 Organization: Men Corporation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:54:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.6.205.110 X-Complaints-To: abuse@cox.net X-Trace: news1.west.cox.net 1024160054 68.6.205.110 (Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:54:14 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 12:54:14 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!p01!news1.west.cox.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:153622 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32459 "(CNN) -- If you're grateful each morning for the tasty, eye-opening buzz you get from your coffee, then you might have a "killer" bee to thank. Coffee plants (coffea arabica) are capable of self-pollination, so for a long time researchers did not think insects made much difference to the crop. But studies now show that when Africanized bees (or killer bees) pollinate coffee plants, yields can increase by more than 50 percent." http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/06/14/coolsc.coffee/ Article 32460 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey sales - UK Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:55:06 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.104.42.92 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1024160395 213.104.42.92 (Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:59:55 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 17:59:55 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!proxad.net!proxad.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32460 "john.ford4" wrote in message news:... > What are the regulations about selling Honey in the UK. I am about to start > extracting and expect to have a relatively small amount to start with but > this will hopefully expand over the coming weeks, months, years...? > > Any advice gratefully received. > > John > > Article 32461 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey sales - UK Lines: 9 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <2tJO8.1447$sv5.93558@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:51:59 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.104.40.173 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1024156606 213.104.40.173 (Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:56:46 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:56:46 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32461 What are the regulations about selling Honey in the UK. I am about to start extracting and expect to have a relatively small amount to start with but this will hopefully expand over the coming weeks, months, years...? Any advice gratefully received. John Article 32462 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Nigel Mercier ® Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Electric Honey Extractor for sale Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 19:13:59 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: m980-mp1-cvx2a.lan.ntl.com (62.252.179.212) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024164861 7065278 62.252.179.212 (16 [19216]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 X-No-Archive: yes Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!m980-mp1-cvx2a.lan.ntl.COM!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32462 Sorry if this is off topic, I've got a radial Electric Honey Extractor for sale un the UK, but I can't find a group to advertise it in. Any suggestions? -- Nigel Mercier Please remove NOSPAM from my return address Article 32463 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Beeswax Processing Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:45:15 +0100 Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20020615103950.11387.00000241@mb-mh.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-849.caterpie.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1024170315 21226 217.135.60.81 (15 Jun 2002 19:45:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 19:45:15 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!newsxfer.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32463 The acid in the vinegar reacts with the lime in the water and neutralises it. Cheaper to use rain water - and better really because it is not easy to know how much vinegar is needed. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020615103950.11387.00000241@mb-mh.aol.com... > I am not sure if this is because of the lime in tap water but I learned to add > a bit of white vinegar to the melt water and the wax does not seem to be > damaged. > > > > > > Article 32464 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Where are you from ? Date: 15 Jun 2002 13:49:49 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 22 Message-ID: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.69.208 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024174189 26353 127.0.0.1 (15 Jun 2002 20:49:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 20:49:49 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32464 This is a particularly universal Forum; contributors are from far and wide. It would make all correspondence so much easier for all to understand if the correspondent in signing off indicated where he/she lived - in my case it would be Rob Graham, Edinburgh, Scotland I've just been following a thread on jars which started in the UK and did include some information on where the contributor was writing from - the thread then suddenly moved abroad and became meaningless because no country or town was indicated. Could I ask that the Moderator of this Forum puts pressure on contributors to comply with this - I belong to a forum on alpine plants (Alpine-L) where this is a strict rule; it may seem unfortunate that the word 'strict' has to apply but it makes total sense to the contributors as it allows us all to understand the environment that the writer is growing plants in. Much the same applies to bees - British conditions are vastly different from those in the southern states of the US. Rob Graham Edinburgh, Scotland Article 32465 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning frames up Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:38:36 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3d0b4301_3@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-64.aerandir.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1024180542 28338 62.136.98.64 (15 Jun 2002 22:35:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 22:35:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32465 I have used one of the Burco style boilers for cleaning frames this year and been VERY impressed. Added small cup of soda crystals to the water as advised by the loca group and the frames come up fine. When using the soda crystals can you also reclaim the wax? (not that there is THAT much to reclaim but every little helps. >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32466 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax colours - problem? Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:41:02 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <0ggnguc394k462ef84n8or592aof2rrm4d@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-64.aerandir.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1024180687 28338 62.136.98.64 (15 Jun 2002 22:38:07 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 22:38:07 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32466 Prior to cleaning some brood frames I slung them in the solar wax extractor to melty out the bulk of the wax. When I looked at them a couple of days later I was amazed to see a bright orange wax. Really, it was as orange as a satsuma. Once through the solar extractor it dulled a little but is still quite orange, Do you often get this? Is there a problem? Article 32467 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:42:25 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-64.aerandir.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1024180770 28338 62.136.98.64 (15 Jun 2002 22:39:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 22:39:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32467 Not that I know much but doesn't it depend on whether it is spring or autumn feeding? On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:52:56 -0700, "huestis'" wrote: >> when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... >Use 1:1 ratio. >Clay >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32468 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: 15 Jun 2002 15:45:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206151445.42b7a9b1@posting.google.com> References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.113.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024181113 481 127.0.0.1 (15 Jun 2002 22:45:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 22:45:13 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32468 "huestis'" wrote in message news:<3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com>... > > when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... > > Use 1:1 ratio. > > Clay try 2 pounds of sugar to one pint of water. some people suggest altering the consistency depending on the time of year. not a good idea, the bees always go for the best nectar in nature, so why give them poor food?Also bees need approx 40 pounds of stores to see them through the winter. If you have a suger of honey on already then you should have about 30 pounds already plus what you should have in the brood box> > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32469 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning frames up Date: 15 Jun 2002 15:51:56 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206151451.965acc7@posting.google.com> References: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.113.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024181516 796 127.0.0.1 (15 Jun 2002 22:51:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 22:51:56 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32469 "Wuffman" wrote in message news:<9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>... > ok some of these older frames have wax all over them and the come is dark > brown ( almost black in some spots) Can I stick the frames in boiling water > to melt all the wax off or will it ruin the frames? > > I want to put new foundation in them... > > Also what are the holes drilled in the endbars for? The instructions say > nothing about them. > > Brian I presume that you have cut out most of the old wax? Then boil up the frames in water that has some soda crystals in it, they should come out lovely and clear. the holes in the side bars are for wiring up wax foundation. Most of us here in the UK dont bother with that, if you have the right frames that allow the sliding of the wax in then why not do it that way it cant be much cheaper to make your own foundation.After all you can sell your old wax to your local supplier and get foundation in return. Article 32470 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey sales - UK Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:37:03 +0100 Lines: 112 Message-ID: References: <2tJO8.1447$sv5.93558@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1024184049 20972 62.136.153.145 (15 Jun 2002 23:34:09 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 23:34:09 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32470 Some points to consider - not all to do with bee keeping - but these are things I have learnt through (sometimes) painful experience. I am from the UK so this will be relevant to you. Stainless steel or polythene extractor. Filter it and clean the jars (in a dishwasher if you can). If you aren't covered by Bee Insurance through your local group get product liability insurance. There is some company around (anybody any name?) that will do it for about 10 GBP Clean storage area for keeping the honey. Environmental Health officers will need to inspect your kitchen to ensure that it meets basic standards required. This isn't a problem unless you live in some Victorian slum as yet untouched by modern conveniences. Basically nice solid cleanable floor. Cleanable units. Pets out. We actually wrote out a Work Instruction like a Quality System to say how we would clean the kitchen and prepare to extract and bottle honey. This helped us fall into a routine and impressed the Environmental Health people. (He was an ex-beekeeper himself). Our kitchen hasn't been this clean in years! Set of scales approved by trading standard to ensure that you keep within weights and measures regulations. Thornes do one quite cheap but you can probably get a cheap set through exchange and mart. Talk to Trading Standards, they might be able to help. RECORDS - keep records of what you bottle and (I would humbly suggest) go for a minimum jar weight (it is easier that some of the others I have come across). Record the jar weights of every jar you make. (Easier than it sounds) Labels - quite a bit to consider here but I will highlight the important stuff and stand to be corrected upon what I miss. Go for something different. I once got told that somebody bought a jar of my honey in Reading (I have not been in reading for 10 years) but I used Thornes standard labels. Whilst I had my address printed on them people look at the DESIGN not the name and address. They though somebody elses honey was mine. How disgusting! :-) Labels - More. Weight metric to the left, imperial to the right, 4mm minimum character height. Label must show you name and address. DON'T, unless you are certain, claim anything like 'Sweet corn Honey' (do you get that?) as Trading Standards may check and prosecute if they find you in error. (They check on pollen content). These people will talk to you LOTS before they take action - they are human and helpful. Trading. Keep records of every expense and every delivery to whoever you sell. Keep hard copy records. Open a separate bank account - it will make things a lot easier. Now the painful bit and not something that I was ever told or thought about. The moment you sell ONE jar of honey you are in BUSINESS and as such are liable to pay TAX. If you have a permanent job, like myself, you will be earning income in your spare time. This is classed as a form of self employment. DONT PANIC this is a lot easier to deal with than it sounds and, quite honestly, one of the best things you can do is pop down the tax office and talk to an advisor - these people are really nice and really helpful. You will have to register as self employed with the tax office. (They will do this as you sit in the chair). (Little aside - the Tax Office recognize Apiarist as an occupation in the UK). This is where it is important to keep records of every expense and every delivery. Basically your Tax Return will reflect your important employment income and any (taxed or untaxed) savings interest. Then you will add in the nett profit you make from beekeeping. If you visit the tax office (I really recommend a visit - they are really helpful and not the ogres one might imagine) they will work through the form and help you fill it in. The one thing that caught me out and I am still awaiting a resolution to is the matter of National Insurance Contributions. As I was unaware I didn't even think of this aspect and got clobbered with a huge bill for NI contributions. However, what you need to do is fill out a form called the CA 02, self employed people with small earnings. Basically you state that your earning from your business are below a certain level (about 4000 GBP and they will grant you a certificate saying you no need to pay NI contributions. Otherwise they will charge you about 2 GBP per week. Talk to them - they are nice people. To sum up you should pay attention to the following details; Storage and processing conditions talk to Environmental Health. Labeling requirements (leaflet available through Trading Standards 'So you Want To Sell Honey' - Talk to Trading Standards. Records - keep accurate, hard copies, and I would recommend a separate bank account. Tax - Self Employed - Self assessment - easy. NI Contributions - CA 02 if you can, claim exemption under minimum earnings rules. Otherwise sell bucket loads. On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:51:59 +0100, "john.ford4" wrote: >What are the regulations about selling Honey in the UK. I am about to start >extracting and expect to have a relatively small amount to start with but >this will hopefully expand over the coming weeks, months, years...? > >Any advice gratefully received. > > John > Article 32471 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:42:40 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1024184385 16093 62.136.153.145 (15 Jun 2002 23:39:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 23:39:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32471 Totally agree. Can we all engage signatures? By the way did anybody notice the UK are though to this round of the World Cup (with a vengeance) and the USA came second in their group? :-) On 15 Jun 2002 13:49:49 -0700, robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) wrote: >This is a particularly universal Forum; contributors are from far and >wide. It would make all correspondence so much easier for all to >understand if the correspondent in signing off indicated where he/she >lived - in my case it would be >Rob Graham, Edinburgh, Scotland >I've just been following a thread on jars which started in the UK and >did include some information on where the contributor was writing from >- the thread then suddenly moved abroad and became meaningless because >no country or town was indicated. >Could I ask that the Moderator of this Forum puts pressure on >contributors to comply with this - I belong to a forum on alpine >plants (Alpine-L) where this is a strict rule; it may seem unfortunate >that the word 'strict' has to apply but it makes total sense to the >contributors as it allows us all to understand the environment that >the writer is growing plants in. Much the same applies to bees - >British conditions are vastly different from those in the southern >states of the US. >Rob Graham >Edinburgh, Scotland Article 32472 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:48:29 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <4169b71c.0206151445.42b7a9b1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1024184734 30733 62.136.153.145 (15 Jun 2002 23:45:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 23:45:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feeder.via.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32472 GFod this Newsgroup is active. Since I have been online there have been a bucket load of messages. Answering this point I believe there may be a difference (I stabd to be corrected) in that some strengths of syrup encourage the production of brood and may not be what is required at certain times of the year. I would like an answer to this as it something I am unsure about. On 15 Jun 2002 15:45:13 -0700, albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) wrote: >try 2 pounds of sugar to one pint of water. some people suggest >altering the consistency depending on the time of year. not a good >idea, the bees always go for the best nectar in nature, so why give >them poor food?Also bees need approx 40 pounds of stores to see them >through the winter. If you have a suger of honey on already then you >should have about 30 pounds already plus what you should have in the >brood box> Article 32473 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:51:42 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <4169b71c.0206151445.42b7a9b1@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1024184927 30733 62.136.153.145 (15 Jun 2002 23:48:47 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 23:48:47 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32473 I think I need to focus on the keyboard a little more. On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:48:29 +0100, Steve Newport wrote: >GFod this Newsgroup is active. Since I have been online there have >been a bucket load of messages. Article 32474 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble Bees Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 00:59:15 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-17.deorwine.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1024185380 14083 62.136.153.145 (15 Jun 2002 23:56:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Jun 2002 23:56:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32474 The New Focussed me. Last week I took a bird nesting box away from a family that was home to a colony of bumble bees. Must admit I am very fond of these creatures and placed them in a sheltered placed in the country but am thinking about bringing them back to my garden. I have a mid-terrance Victorian House with a small back garden but a back passage that is not used. Does anybody know if BBs are very defensive? These seemed to be very peaceable. Steve Newport Great Britain Centre of the Footballing World. 'Bring on Brazil!' Article 32475 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: jfalusi@aol.com (JFalusi) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jun 2002 07:53:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: yellow jacket nest Message-ID: <20020616035319.09535.00001269@mb-fg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32475 there is a yellow jacket nest in my living room wall. i tried spraying the bees with raid and covered up the hole in the entrance through my house and i hear they buzzing angrily, what on earth do i do? HELP! Article 32476 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:20:35 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 33 Message-ID: <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p5.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32476 On 15 Jun 2002 13:49:49 -0700, robkgraham@lineone.net (Rob Graham) wrote: >This is a particularly universal Forum; contributors are from far and >wide. It would make all correspondence so much easier for all to >understand if the correspondent in signing off indicated where he/she >lived - in my case it would be >Rob Graham, Edinburgh, Scotland > >I've just been following a thread on jars which started in the UK and >did include some information on where the contributor was writing from >- the thread then suddenly moved abroad and became meaningless because >no country or town was indicated. > >Could I ask that the Moderator of this Forum puts pressure on >contributors to comply with this - I belong to a forum on alpine >plants (Alpine-L) where this is a strict rule; it may seem unfortunate >that the word 'strict' has to apply but it makes total sense to the >contributors as it allows us all to understand the environment that >the writer is growing plants in. Much the same applies to bees - >British conditions are vastly different from those in the southern >states of the US. > >Rob Graham >Edinburgh, Scotland I don't know, trying to tell an American what they have to write can be a touchy subject. Wasn't one war enough? beekeep Chicamuxen, USA Article 32477 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Reply-To: "Ivo van der Putten" From: "Ivo van der Putten" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Inktomi-Trace: arninkcluster 1024219034 6923 212.187.17.123 (16 Jun 2002 09:17:14 GMT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:17:15 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.187.37.7 X-Complaints-To: abuse@chello.nl X-Trace: Flipper 1024219035 212.187.37.7 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:17:15 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 11:17:15 MET DST Organization: Chello Broadband Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.icl.net!news-x2.support.nl!amsnews01.chello.com!Flipper.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:153771 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32477 Since there is about a 20 million bag surplus of coffee this crop, do you suggest to kil the killer bees not to make things worse for the producers nexzt hyear? -- Ivo van der Putten http://www.ongebrand.nl "The Man" wrote in message news:WiKO8.31303$3R2.845484@news1.west.cox.net... > "(CNN) -- If you're grateful each morning for the tasty, eye-opening buzz > > > But studies now show that when Africanized bees (or killer bees) pollinate > coffee plants, yields can increase by more than 50 percent." > Article 32478 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2tJO8.1447$sv5.93558@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> Subject: Re: Honey sales - UK Lines: 123 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:41:27 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.130.44 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 1024220820 80.4.130.44 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:47:00 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:47:00 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32478 Thanks for that - I hadn't actually thought about the tax side of things. John "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:pngngu838aocussedpd7ndna1ffl13nsf6@4ax.com... > Some points to consider - not all to do with bee keeping - but these > are things I have learnt through (sometimes) painful experience. I am > from the UK so this will be relevant to you. > > Stainless steel or polythene extractor. > > Filter it and clean the jars (in a dishwasher if you can). > > If you aren't covered by Bee Insurance through your local group get > product liability insurance. There is some company around (anybody any > name?) that will do it for about 10 GBP > > Clean storage area for keeping the honey. Environmental Health > officers will need to inspect your kitchen to ensure that it meets > basic standards required. This isn't a problem unless you live in some > Victorian slum as yet untouched by modern conveniences. Basically nice > solid cleanable floor. Cleanable units. Pets out. We actually wrote > out a Work Instruction like a Quality System to say how we would clean > the kitchen and prepare to extract and bottle honey. This helped us > fall into a routine and impressed the Environmental Health people. (He > was an ex-beekeeper himself). Our kitchen hasn't been this clean in > years! > > Set of scales approved by trading standard to ensure that you keep > within weights and measures regulations. Thornes do one quite cheap > but you can probably get a cheap set through exchange and mart. Talk > to Trading Standards, they might be able to help. > > RECORDS - keep records of what you bottle and (I would humbly suggest) > go for a minimum jar weight (it is easier that some of the others I > have come across). Record the jar weights of every jar you make. > (Easier than it sounds) > > Labels - quite a bit to consider here but I will highlight the > important stuff and stand to be corrected upon what I miss. Go for > something different. I once got told that somebody bought a jar of my > honey in Reading (I have not been in reading for 10 years) but I used > Thornes standard labels. Whilst I had my address printed on them > people look at the DESIGN not the name and address. They though > somebody elses honey was mine. How disgusting! :-) > > Labels - More. Weight metric to the left, imperial to the right, 4mm > minimum character height. Label must show you name and address. > > DON'T, unless you are certain, claim anything like 'Sweet corn Honey' > (do you get that?) as Trading Standards may check and prosecute if > they find you in error. (They check on pollen content). These people > will talk to you LOTS before they take action - they are human and > helpful. > > Trading. Keep records of every expense and every delivery to whoever > you sell. Keep hard copy records. Open a separate bank account - it > will make things a lot easier. > > Now the painful bit and not something that I was ever told or thought > about. > > The moment you sell ONE jar of honey you are in BUSINESS and as such > are liable to pay TAX. If you have a permanent job, like myself, you > will be earning income in your spare time. This is classed as a form > of self employment. > > DONT PANIC this is a lot easier to deal with than it sounds and, quite > honestly, one of the best things you can do is pop down the tax office > and talk to an advisor - these people are really nice and really > helpful. > > You will have to register as self employed with the tax office. (They > will do this as you sit in the chair). (Little aside - the Tax Office > recognize Apiarist as an occupation in the UK). > > This is where it is important to keep records of every expense and > every delivery. Basically your Tax Return will reflect your important > employment income and any (taxed or untaxed) savings interest. Then > you will add in the nett profit you make from beekeeping. If you visit > the tax office (I really recommend a visit - they are really helpful > and not the ogres one might imagine) they will work through the form > and help you fill it in. > > The one thing that caught me out and I am still awaiting a resolution > to is the matter of National Insurance Contributions. As I was unaware > I didn't even think of this aspect and got clobbered with a huge bill > for NI contributions. However, what you need to do is fill out a form > called the CA 02, self employed people with small earnings. Basically > you state that your earning from your business are below a certain > level (about 4000 GBP and they will grant you a certificate saying you > no need to pay NI contributions. Otherwise they will charge you about > 2 GBP per week. Talk to them - they are nice people. > > To sum up you should pay attention to the following details; > > Storage and processing conditions talk to Environmental Health. > Labeling requirements (leaflet available through Trading Standards 'So > you Want To Sell Honey' - Talk to Trading Standards. > Records - keep accurate, hard copies, and I would recommend a separate > bank account. > Tax - Self Employed - Self assessment - easy. > NI Contributions - CA 02 if you can, claim exemption under minimum > earnings rules. Otherwise sell bucket loads. > > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:51:59 +0100, "john.ford4" > wrote: > > >What are the regulations about selling Honey in the UK. I am about to start > >extracting and expect to have a relatively small amount to start with but > >this will hopefully expand over the coming weeks, months, years...? > > > >Any advice gratefully received. > > > > John > > > Article 32479 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David G Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:20:20 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3787.aardvark.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1024226421 19810 217.134.14.203 (16 Jun 2002 11:20:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 11:20:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!londen1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32479 I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as though my dog must have killed it. Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly thicker than a pencil. This in the southern UK. Any ideas on its identification. -- Regards DavidG Article 32480 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:26:20 -0700 Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.5.132 Message-ID: <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1024233154 209.23.5.132 (16 Jun 2002 08:12:34 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.wind.surfnet.nl!eurocyber.net!newsfeed.eurocyber.net!uucp.gnuu.de!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!feed.textport.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32480 > Not that I know much but doesn't it depend on whether it is spring or > autumn feeding? Not to me. Nor do the bees really care. Personally I don't use sugar or corn. But only honey for feed. As it is spring almost summer I thought it best to give the 1:1 ratio without confusing the issue. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32481 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: yellow jacket nest Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 08:40:59 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020616035319.09535.00001269@mb-fg.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32481 Use Soapy Water, Mix dish soap and water together load into a garden sprayer add air pressure and spray them as they come out very effective and inexpensive and damage to the local environment is minimized. If they are Honeybees and Not Jellowyacket contact your local beekeepers assn and they get someone to remove them. Don't kill the Honeybees they are an asset rather than a liability Chuck, TN USA "JFalusi" wrote in message news:20020616035319.09535.00001269@mb-fg.aol.com... > there is a yellow jacket nest in my living room wall. i tried spraying the > bees with raid and covered up the hole in the entrance through my house and i > hear they buzzing angrily, what on earth do i do? HELP! Article 32482 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dead queen question Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:47:29 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-097.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32482 I have two hives that are somewhat new. I started them from foundation only from package sets the last of April. Both hives have done well and have drawn and filled almost all of two deep supers. While I was examining one hive and wasn't able to locate the queen. These queens were marked with a blue dot so they are usually easy to spot. I looked quite a bit and never could find her. I then decided today (Sunday) to look again to ease my mind. After a thorough search I discovered her dead body in the lower super (actually on top of the lower super.) I removed her body to bring back to study. I can't see any obvious reason for her death. The hive itself seems to have a lot of brood. Several frames worth. Will they be able to generate a queen for themselves at this point? I debated ordering a new queen but that will take a week (if I can even get one now) and I understand they can create a queen in 14 days. Should I let them to make a queen themselves? Patrick Dugan Article 32483 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BooBee" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: USDA model extractor Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:50:14 -0400 Organization: Storm Internet Services Lines: 25 Sender: allthings@dp-209-87-253-107.ottawa.storm.ca Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dp-209-87-253-107.ottawa.storm.ca X-Trace: news.storm.ca 1024250003 15506 209.87.253.107 (16 Jun 2002 17:53:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@storm.ca NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 17:53:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!east1.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!west2.newsfeed.sprint-canada.net!news.storm.ca!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32483 I think this is the plans you are looking for www.ALL-THINGS.com/bees/plans.htm Hope this helps, Craig_m Ottawa, On Canada "Scott Mattes" wrote in message news:BcrO8.10518$nn1.3953743@news1.news.adelphia.net... > where can I get the plans for it? > > > "Pat & Patty Eckert" wrote in message > news:NznO8.17098$mh.706126@news1.telusplanet.net... > > Has anyone out there built the USDA extractor? I am looking at building > one > > but it seems to me that if built to the plan, it won't take 4 frames. What > > am I missing? > > > > > > Article 32484 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Erwin Schmidt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:30:40 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 46 Message-ID: <3d0cd878$0$25806$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: M406P024.dipool.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1024252024 newsreader02.highway.telekom.at 25806 62.46.40.184 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!oleane.net!oleane!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!newsfeed.hanau.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader02.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32484 Hi, Patrick. My name is Erwin and I live in Austria. I am a bee-keeper for now 17 years. My home-language is German, so excuse my English. Now to your Problem: I do not know the reason, why your queen is dead, because there are many possibilities. But that's what you have to do: Wait 9 days and than look for queen-cells. and if you have found some, break out all than one. after 7 days a new queen will come out and you have a new one. after some days the queen will fly out to copulate with drones and then will lay eggs. and than you can catch the queen (if it is possible for you) and make a point (this year it's blue) on her back. but now one tip: do you have the possibility to make a course about bee-keeping. thats very useful. greetings erwin "Patrick Dugan" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:aeibv6$rbf$1@ins22.netins.net... > I have two hives that are somewhat new. I started them from foundation only > from package sets the last of April. Both hives have done well and have > drawn and filled almost all of two deep supers. While I was examining one > hive and wasn't able to locate the queen. These queens were marked with a > blue dot so they are usually easy to spot. I looked quite a bit and never > could find her. I then decided today (Sunday) to look again to ease my mind. > After a thorough search I discovered her dead body in the lower super > (actually on top of the lower super.) I removed her body to bring back to > study. I can't see any obvious reason for her death. The hive itself > seems to have a lot of brood. Several frames worth. Will they be able to > generate a queen for themselves at this point? I debated ordering a new > queen but that will take a week (if I can even get one now) and I understand > they can create a queen in 14 days. Should I let them to make a queen > themselves? > > Patrick Dugan > > > > Article 32485 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Erwin Schmidt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:29:32 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: M406P024.dipool.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1024251957 newsreader02.highway.telekom.at 22968 62.46.40.184 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.174.75.178!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader02.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32485 I am from Austria. We use 3:2 (3 Sugar, 2 Water). We use about 15 kg through the winter. greetings. erwin "Wuffman" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:lAAO8.3176$TP4.221850@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... > > Article 32486 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 25 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jun 2002 19:17:15 GMT References: <3d0cd878$0$25806$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Dead queen question Message-ID: <20020616151715.16689.00001219@mb-fs.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32486 Hi, I think you might be off there I belive the color for this year is yellow or gold (for 2 or 7 years IE 2002.or 2007). blue was for 0 or 5 years IE 2000,or 2005. I'll go double check now but after putting out 130 queens this spring I'm pretty shure the color this year isn't blue. Also are you sure you do not already have a new laying queen the only sure way is to look for new eggs difacult. If you can get the light into the bottom of the cells on the outside of the brood pattern you can spot them (if they are there) as tiny white cylinders (long skinny with rounded ends) if presant you have a queen laying and you have nothing to worry about. If you can learn to see eggs you are a long way toward being a better than average bee keeper. The rest was very good info I personly would be tempted to leave two or three queen cells and let them fight it out so as to keep the strongest. Then watch and try to make sure I don't end up with a swarming problem. but that is stricly a personal judgement call. Cheers, Dave In Madison,WI USA PS Erwin I think your english is better than mine. What kind of bee's do you keep? Italians or? PPS as my mentor says if you get 10 beekeepers talking you'll get 11 opions and they will all be good ones ;) Article 32487 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 14:30:49 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: References: <3d0cd878$0$25806$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> <20020616151715.16689.00001219@mb-fs.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-097.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32487 Well if your color information is correct, then my dead (blue) queen must have been two years old. The queen was new to me, but perhaps older than I realized. Since the queen looks freshly dead, I wouldn't expect a new laying queen to be in place yet. There are new eggs (at least I think so anyway) since I saw a few that seemed very small and were uncapped. Of course they may have fooled me and produced a new queen already. What type of paint is used to mark queens? "Lazurus106" wrote in message news:20020616151715.16689.00001219@mb-fs.aol.com... > Hi, > I think you might be off there I belive the color for this year is yellow or > gold (for 2 or 7 years IE 2002.or 2007). blue was for 0 or 5 years IE 2000,or > 2005. > I'll go double check now but after putting out 130 queens this spring I'm > pretty shure the color this year isn't blue. > Also are you sure you do not already have a new laying queen the only sure way > is to look for new eggs difacult. If you can get the light into the bottom of > the cells on the outside of the brood pattern you can spot them (if they are > there) as tiny white cylinders (long skinny with rounded ends) if presant you > have a queen laying and you have nothing to worry about. > If you can learn to see eggs you are a long way toward being a better than > average bee keeper. > The rest was very good info I personly would be tempted to leave two or three > queen cells and let them fight it out so as to keep the strongest. Then watch > and try to make sure I don't end up with a swarming problem. but that is > stricly a personal judgement call. > Cheers, > Dave > In Madison,WI USA > PS Erwin I think your english is better than mine. What kind of bee's do you > keep? Italians or? > > PPS as my mentor says if you get 10 beekeepers talking you'll get 11 opions and > they will all be good ones ;) Article 32488 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Marking Queens Lines: 11 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024257942 67.227.206.56 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:05:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:05:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32488 I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the bees? Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to try this that I just have not thought of yet.... Brian Article 32489 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bees Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:09:20 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024258160 67.227.206.56 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:09:20 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:09:20 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32489 This morning when I went out to add more sugar water there was about 20 -30 dead bees in front of the hive. they were not there last night and it didn't get really cold last night... it has been in the 80's the last 2 -3 days and last night droped down to low 70's they have good water close by and even thought they are not as strong as my other hive the last few days they have been using alot les sugar water than before. before it was a quart a day and the last week it last 2 -3 days Article 32490 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> Subject: Re: sugar water Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:15:06 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024258506 67.227.206.56 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:15:06 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:15:06 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32490 I am using 1:1 1 # sugar 1 quart water and it sure seems to be runny almost same consistancy of the water.... it does have a yellow tint to it.... Maybe I sould try 1 quart sugar to 1 quart water How many cups of sugar are in a lb? I bought a 25# bag yeasterday and I want to make up a large batch I also got me a case of new quart canning jars and will fill them up and put the lid and rings on them and back in their box so all I have to do when I need one is swap lids.... brian "Erwin Schmidt" wrote in message news:3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at... > I am from Austria. > We use 3:2 (3 Sugar, 2 Water). We use about 15 kg through the winter. > > greetings. > erwin > > "Wuffman" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:lAAO8.3176$TP4.221850@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... > > > > > > Article 32491 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: sugar water Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:17:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024258631 67.227.206.56 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:17:11 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:17:11 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32491 I was told never to feed honey to bees it wasn't explained why but to me it kinda sounds dumb since that is what they live off of anyway.... Im trying to get them to build up the colenies fast and strong. Can I buy bee pollen in the healthfood store and put it out for them? Brian "huestis'" wrote in message news:3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com... > > Not that I know much but doesn't it depend on whether it is spring or > > autumn feeding? > > Not to me. Nor do the bees really care. Personally I don't use sugar or > corn. But only honey for feed. As it is spring almost summer I thought it > best to give the 1:1 ratio without confusing the issue. > > Clay > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > Article 32492 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 47 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 22:16:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1024265762 209.204.149.217 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:16:02 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:16:02 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32492 In article , "Wuffman" wrote: > I was told never to feed honey to bees > it wasn't explained why but to me it kinda sounds dumb since that is what > they live off of anyway.... Yes, they do indeed live off honey/nectar. That's not the issue. The issue is germs. Unless you're feeding back honey that you took from your own hives to begin with, or you've sterilized it (bring it to a good rolling boil and keep it there for several minutes) I think you're asking for trouble. The honey in any given hive is all but guaranteed to have *SOME* kind of microorganisms in it. But because they've lived with that particular set of germs all their lives, the bees that stored it have almost certainly developed at least a minimal immunity/resistance to the "local bugs", so they rarely, if ever, have any problems. With "imported" honey, you have *NO IDEA* what kind of cruft might be in it, or even where it came from. Is it from Brazil? Canada? China? Timbuktu? Texas? Tennesee? California? Or maybe it's a mixture containing some from *ALL* of those places, plus some more? What regional disease germs might be in it that didn't bother the bees that stored it because they're immune, but might wipe out your entire apiary in a matter of days because your bees have never encountered it (and therefore never had a chance to develop any immunity or resistance to it) before? By all means, if you want to play russian roulette with your bees, go ahead and buy honey to feed them. But don't say you weren't warned if/when some disease leaves you with nothing but empty hives. > Im trying to get them to build up the colenies fast and strong. Can I buy > bee pollen in the healthfood store and put it out for them? Probably at least as bad an idea as feeding store-bought honey, and for exactly the same reason. But that's just one man's (a near-total rookie, at that) opinion... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32493 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey sales - UK Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:37:35 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <2tJO8.1447$sv5.93558@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.angrim.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024266880 5296 62.136.113.50 (16 Jun 2002 22:34:40 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:34:40 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32493 Neither did I. Came as bit of a shock. Dont let it put you off - its easy. Good luck. On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:41:27 +0100, "john.ford4" wrote: >Thanks for that - I hadn't actually thought about the tax side of things. > John Article 32494 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:42:24 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.angrim.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024267169 5296 62.136.113.50 (16 Jun 2002 22:39:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:39:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32494 What??? God forbid we should tell an AMERICAN what to write - crime of the century. This isn't some weird 'freedom issue'; just letting people know where you are so you can judge whether what you are saying is likely to be relevant to you. Grow up and stop being so sensitive - go and hug someone. >I don't know, trying to tell an American what they have to write can >be a touchy subject. Wasn't one war enough? >beekeep >Chicamuxen, USA Article 32495 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:47:14 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.angrim.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024267460 5296 62.136.113.50 (16 Jun 2002 22:44:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:44:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32495 Can't help with identification but I am in West Sussex. Had similar beast last year when manipulating the hives, bees attacked it but it got away. Shook me the sheer size of the thing. Do you have a picture you can post? Do you still have it? (Take it to the local environment health and ask for an identification.) On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:20:20 +0100, David G wrote: >I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if >flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. >Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as >though my dog must have killed it. >Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of >its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is >about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings >are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly >thicker than a pencil. >This in the southern UK. >Any ideas on its identification. Article 32496 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:44:10 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Dead queen question Message-ID: <20020616184410.29978.00000634@mb-fd.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32496 Hi, Belive it or not the one everyone talks about is testors. Yes the stuff they use on plastic models. Not sure why other than its readily available and comes in small bottles. The bees may have taken care of things and replaced there older queen for any number of reasons. Slowing down in egg production, poor health who knows. Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 32497 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:51:43 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-50.angrim.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024267728 5296 62.136.113.50 (16 Jun 2002 22:48:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:48:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!news.indigo.ie!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32497 Or glue on a metallic plate and use a small hand held metal detector. On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT, "Wuffman" wrote: >I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent >paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the bees? >Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... >Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to >try this that I just have not thought of yet.... >Brian Article 32498 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: 16 Jun 2002 16:21:38 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206161521.705e17b4@posting.google.com> References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.118.15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024269698 16656 127.0.0.1 (16 Jun 2002 23:21:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 23:21:38 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32498 David G wrote in message news:<3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com>... > I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if > flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. > Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as > though my dog must have killed it. > > Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of > its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is > about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings > are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly > thicker than a pencil. > > This in the southern UK. > Any ideas on its identification. It sounds as though it is a hornet with those dimensions, we had one in our branch apiary shed today. Albert (Nth Devon) Article 32500 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David G Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:34:38 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: <3D0D208E.3424BB85@myrealbox.com> References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> <4169b71c.0206161521.705e17b4@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-304.barrelled.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1024270479 13383 62.25.141.48 (16 Jun 2002 23:34:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 23:34:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32500 albert cannon wrote: > > David G wrote in message news:<3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com>... > > I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if > > flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. > > Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as > > though my dog must have killed it. > > > > Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of > > its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is > > about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings > > are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly > > thicker than a pencil. > > > > This in the southern UK. > > Any ideas on its identification. > > It sounds as though it is a hornet with those dimensions, > we had one in our branch apiary shed today. > Albert (Nth Devon) Never having seen a hornet, but I didn't realise they were that big. -- Regards DavidG Article 32501 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David G Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:40:33 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3D0D21F1.D773E85B@myrealbox.com> References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> <4169b71c.0206161521.705e17b4@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-304.barrelled.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1024270834 2096 62.25.141.48 (16 Jun 2002 23:40:34 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 2002 23:40:34 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32501 albert cannon wrote: > > David G wrote in message news:<3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com>... > > I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if > > flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. > > Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as > > though my dog must have killed it. > > > > Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of > > its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is > > about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings > > are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly > > thicker than a pencil. > > > > This in the southern UK. > > Any ideas on its identification. > > It sounds as though it is a hornet with those dimensions, > we had one in our branch apiary shed today. > Albert (Nth Devon) Just occurred to me to look on Google and there is a good photo here http://hometown.aol.co.uk/kendalluk/wasp.htm and I would say that what I have is definitely a Hornet - live & learn -- Regards DavidG Article 32502 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:30:47 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 43 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!gestalt.direcpc.com!DirecTVinternet!DirecTV-DSL!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32502 It is supposed to be 1:1 by weight. 1 lb (a PINT) of water to one pound of sugar (which coincidently is very close to 2 cups of sugar) or a multiple thereof. In the fall, some recommend 2 lbs sugar to 1 lb water. You are mixing 1 lb sugar to 2 lbs water. "Wuffman" wrote in message news:el6P8.1910$6a.1441@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I am using 1:1 1 # sugar 1 quart water and it sure seems to be runny > almost same consistancy of the water.... > it does have a yellow tint to it.... > > Maybe I sould try 1 quart sugar to 1 quart water > > How many cups of sugar are in a lb? I bought a 25# bag yeasterday and I > want to make up a large batch I also got me a case of new quart canning > jars and will fill them up and put the lid and rings on them and back in > their box so all I have to do when I need one is swap lids.... > > brian > > > "Erwin Schmidt" wrote in message > news:3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at... > > I am from Austria. > > We use 3:2 (3 Sugar, 2 Water). We use about 15 kg through the winter. > > > > greetings. > > erwin > > > > "Wuffman" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > news:lAAO8.3176$TP4.221850@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > > when making sugar water for my bees what ratio do I use... > > > > > > > > > > > > Article 32503 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Marking Queens Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 03:53:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.183.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024285992 67.227.183.43 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:53:12 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:53:12 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc.edu!newspeer.cts.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32503 oK I don't know if that was ment as a real sugestion or if it was sarcasim... but I can see 2 small problems with that idea... 1> it might keep the queen from being able to fly when its time for mating 2> it might be able to tell you wat frame she is on or what side of a frame My idea would pinpoint her specificaly... but I was just curiouse if anyone has tried it and or if they use a special kind of paint to mark them with? of course yours you could pass the wand over the hive and know if she is still home or not.... brian "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com... > Or glue on a metallic plate and use a small hand held metal detector. > > On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT, "Wuffman" > wrote: > >I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent > >paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the bees? > >Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... > >Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to > >try this that I just have not thought of yet.... > >Brian > > Article 32504 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:18:03 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <20020616184410.29978.00000634@mb-fd.aol.com> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.e2.f4.71 X-Server-Date: 17 Jun 2002 04:18:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32504 I use Liquid Paper or White Out since I requeen once a year with my stock of bees; I only mark to keep track of which hives supersede their queens (an unmarked queen in a hive means supersedure). The White Out or Liquid Paper has a less offensive odor than enamel paint and it dries much faster. I guess you could tint it with a drop of Testors or something like that...maybe even food coloring? Christopher Petree Article 32505 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: sugar water Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:28:54 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.183.43 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024288134 67.227.183.43 (Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:28:54 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:28:54 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32505 So If I was to use store bought honey would it be safe to boil it first? would I use a double boiler or could I put it in jars and boil them in a canning pot withte mettal frame on the bottom? Right now it is not much differance in price sugar vs. store bought bulk honey ican buy a 5 gallon bucket for a little bit more than a 50 lbs of sugar Brian > Yes, they do indeed live off honey/nectar. That's not the issue. The > issue is germs. > > Unless you're feeding back honey that you took from your own hives to > begin with, or you've sterilized it (bring it to a good rolling boil and > keep it there for several minutes) I think you're asking for trouble. > > The honey in any given hive is all but guaranteed to have *SOME* kind of > microorganisms in it. But because they've lived with that particular set > of germs all their lives, the bees that stored it have almost certainly > developed at least a minimal immunity/resistance to the "local bugs", so > they rarely, if ever, have any problems. > > With "imported" honey, you have *NO IDEA* what kind of cruft might be in > it, or even where it came from. Is it from Brazil? Canada? China? > Timbuktu? Texas? Tennesee? California? Or maybe it's a mixture > containing some from *ALL* of those places, plus some more? What > regional disease germs might be in it that didn't bother the bees that > stored it because they're immune, but might wipe out your entire apiary > in a matter of days because your bees have never encountered it (and > therefore never had a chance to develop any immunity or resistance to > it) before? > > By all means, if you want to play russian roulette with your bees, go > ahead and buy honey to feed them. But don't say you weren't warned > if/when some disease leaves you with nothing but empty hives. > > > Im trying to get them to build up the colenies fast and strong. Can I buy > > bee pollen in the healthfood store and put it out for them? > > Probably at least as bad an idea as feeding store-bought honey, and for > exactly the same reason. > > But that's just one man's (a near-total rookie, at that) opinion... > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. > Article 32506 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:25:29 +0100 Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1257.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024293259 21234 217.135.51.233 (17 Jun 2002 05:54:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 05:54:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32506 Honey can carry disease from one colony to another and feeding honey incites robbing. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Wuffman" wrote in message news:bn6P8.1913$6a.645@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I was told never to feed honey to bees > it wasn't explained why but to me it kinda sounds dumb since that is what > they live off of anyway.... > > Im trying to get them to build up the colenies fast and strong. Can I buy > bee pollen in the healthfood store and put it out for them? > > Brian > > > "huestis'" wrote in message > news:3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com... > > > Not that I know much but doesn't it depend on whether it is spring or > > > autumn feeding? > > > > Not to me. Nor do the bees really care. Personally I don't use sugar or > > corn. But only honey for feed. As it is spring almost summer I thought it > > best to give the 1:1 ratio without confusing the issue. > > > > Clay > > > > > > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > > > > Article 32507 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:28:40 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1257.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024293261 21234 217.135.51.233 (17 Jun 2002 05:54:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 05:54:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32507 May be one of the continental wasps. If any reddish brown on the thorax them probably a queen hornet. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "David G" wrote in message news:3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com... > I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if > flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. > Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as > though my dog must have killed it. > > Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of > its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is > about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings > are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly > thicker than a pencil. > > This in the southern UK. > Any ideas on its identification. > > -- > Regards > > DavidG Article 32508 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning frames up Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:34:30 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3d0b4301_3@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1257.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024293263 21234 217.135.51.233 (17 Jun 2002 05:54:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 05:54:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32508 Soda will destroy wax - and your Burco boiler if it is aluminium rather than stainless steel. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:ibgnguouar93vr3rgjt1pttlv3nadajt2q@4ax.com... > > I have used one of the Burco style boilers for cleaning frames this > year and been VERY impressed. Added small cup of soda crystals to the > water as advised by the loca group and the frames come up fine. > > When using the soda crystals can you also reclaim the wax? (not that > there is THAT much to reclaim but every little helps. > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- > Article 32509 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble Bees Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:36:08 +0100 Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1257.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1024293265 21234 217.135.51.233 (17 Jun 2002 05:54:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 05:54:25 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32509 UK varieties are generally docile - but watch for the black one with the red tip to the abdomen. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:kpkngusmnaf1u99jhkh0o0onuha2tmuvhk@4ax.com... > The New Focussed me. > > Last week I took a bird nesting box away from a family that was home > to a colony of bumble bees. Must admit I am very fond of these > creatures and placed them in a sheltered placed in the country but am > thinking about bringing them back to my garden. I have a mid-terrance > Victorian House with a small back garden but a back passage that is > not used. > > Does anybody know if BBs are very defensive? These seemed to be very > peaceable. > > Steve Newport > Great Britain > Centre of the Footballing World. > 'Bring on Brazil!' > Article 32510 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D0D2275.CC4BC88C@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bumble Bees References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 51 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:02:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.252 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc02.gnilink.net 1024293766 67.251.117.252 (Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:02:46 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 02:02:46 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc02.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32510 Steve Newport wrote: > > The New Focussed me. > > Last week I took a bird nesting box away from a family that was home > to a colony of bumble bees. Must admit I am very fond of these > creatures and placed them in a sheltered placed in the country but am > thinking about bringing them back to my garden. I have a mid-terrance > Victorian House with a small back garden but a back passage that is > not used. > > Does anybody know if BBs are very defensive? These seemed to be very > peaceable. > > Steve Newport > Great Britain > Centre of the Footballing World. > 'Bring on Brazil!' Steve, Like most bees, bumblebees are defensive if disturbed, but not very aggressive. I have captured 2 nests and have another in a 'mouse hole' in an old chicken house. I see these (and others) all over my green bean, cucumber, squash, cantaloupe, and watermelon blossoms. Bumblebees are excellent pollinators. I don't bother them; they don't bother me. I leave the boxes alone, with only an occasional peek to make sure that the nest hasn't been taken over by some varmints. The back passage seems like a good place for you to put them since it is not used as much. Like honey bees, you should not move them around during the daytime because some of them will be out gathering pollen and will not be able to find their home. When I captured mine, I did so right at late dusk. I captured any stragglers and put them into the box (after refrigerating them long enough to immobilize them). I put a cork into the entrance, took the box to its permanent location, and released them the next day. It is suggested that you draw a V above the entrance or draw some visible marks going to the entrance to help them remember the location. The nest will die at the end of the year, while the new queens that will mate with the males that this year's queen produces (and with other males in the area) will hibernate in the ground to come forth next year to each build its own nest somewhere. The males, the old queen, and the workers will all die by this winter. Unlike honey bees, there is no permanent home. A new queen MIGHT use a previous location but each seeks out her own nesting spot, which could be an old mouse nest, an old bird nest, etc. They usually nest in cool, dark places, but not always. -- Louise Adderholdt | Reason is often the slave of sin; it strives to n.kc@verizon.net | justify it. | -- Leo Tolstoy Article 32511 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:01:06 +0100 Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1257.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1024293791 4460 217.135.51.233 (17 Jun 2002 06:03:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 06:03:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32511 No - boiling will not destroy AFB spores. Why would you want to use all that heat (i.e. money) anyway when sugar can be mixed using cold water? Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Wuffman" wrote in message news:aAdP8.304$uH2.216@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > So If I was to use store bought honey would it be safe to boil it first? > would I use a double boiler or could I put it in jars and boil them in a > canning pot withte mettal frame on the bottom? > > Right now it is not much differance in price sugar vs. store bought bulk > honey ican buy a 5 gallon bucket for a little bit more than a 50 lbs of > sugar > > > Brian > > > Yes, they do indeed live off honey/nectar. That's not the issue. The > > issue is germs. > > > > Unless you're feeding back honey that you took from your own hives to > > begin with, or you've sterilized it (bring it to a good rolling boil and > > keep it there for several minutes) I think you're asking for trouble. > > > > The honey in any given hive is all but guaranteed to have *SOME* kind of > > microorganisms in it. But because they've lived with that particular set > > of germs all their lives, the bees that stored it have almost certainly > > developed at least a minimal immunity/resistance to the "local bugs", so > > they rarely, if ever, have any problems. > > > > With "imported" honey, you have *NO IDEA* what kind of cruft might be in > > it, or even where it came from. Is it from Brazil? Canada? China? > > Timbuktu? Texas? Tennesee? California? Or maybe it's a mixture > > containing some from *ALL* of those places, plus some more? What > > regional disease germs might be in it that didn't bother the bees that > > stored it because they're immune, but might wipe out your entire apiary > > in a matter of days because your bees have never encountered it (and > > therefore never had a chance to develop any immunity or resistance to > > it) before? > > > > By all means, if you want to play russian roulette with your bees, go > > ahead and buy honey to feed them. But don't say you weren't warned > > if/when some disease leaves you with nothing but empty hives. > > > > > Im trying to get them to build up the colenies fast and strong. Can I > buy > > > bee pollen in the healthfood store and put it out for them? > > > > Probably at least as bad an idea as feeding store-bought honey, and for > > exactly the same reason. > > > > But that's just one man's (a near-total rookie, at that) opinion... > > > > -- > > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses > are > > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. > > > > Article 32512 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David and Heather Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Message-ID: References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GC-Trace: gv1-R232bokn3st1HiR9G07NlLY510Qe7gN/NKr+A== Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:59:03 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-VkzVPK1kUSckbp3e3ywKQmhf3jcUiVekfpBfp1UDAxKUHDlzlZyNA5z0vGzywtnPBiSpJku8ldcpfub!r2BvrAjdKnUIxHWisnTwbaEf2eI75XEpklvDG9pMOaSdW69tLWPrWUGJQdYfAM7lnGj0uWZbpyrp!NxTzhNeiUV/hdoQIJQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:59:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32512 Don't know if they are the same beast but I have seen like in big balls of a nest........They seem peaceful as a friend hooked a nest of the back of his backhoe and they flew all around but never stung us...We didn't stay there very long once we sen what happened :-) On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:47:14 +0100, Steve Newport wrote: > >Can't help with identification but I am in West Sussex. Had similar >beast last year when manipulating the hives, bees attacked it but it >got away. Shook me the sheer size of the thing. > >Do you have a picture you can post? >Do you still have it? (Take it to the local environment health and ask >for an identification.) > >On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 12:20:20 +0100, David G >wrote: >>I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if >>flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. >>Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as >>though my dog must have killed it. >>Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of >>its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is >>about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings >>are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly >>thicker than a pencil. >>This in the southern UK. >>Any ideas on its identification. Article 32513 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Erwin Schmidt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0cd878$0$25806$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> <20020616151715.16689.00001219@mb-fs.aol.com> Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:46:07 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 56 Message-ID: <3d0dcb26$0$21420$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: M404P008.dipool.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1024314150 newsreader02.highway.telekom.at 21420 62.46.40.104 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader02.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32513 Hi, Man! You are right. the right colour is yellow! I'm sorry. Well, I think, you are a good bee-keeper and you have good experience. Looking for the eggs that's a good way. But I thought, Patrick had found the queen yesterday. I have the Carnica. The real name is apis carnica carnica and apis carnica mellifera (or so). if you give me your adress, I'll send you a folder (only for your information). This Folder is in German and English. And if our are interested, the Austrian Carnica Association (ACA) is under www.aca.at. Greetings Erwin "Lazurus106" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:20020616151715.16689.00001219@mb-fs.aol.com... > Hi, > I think you might be off there I belive the color for this year is yellow or > gold (for 2 or 7 years IE 2002.or 2007). blue was for 0 or 5 years IE 2000,or > 2005. > I'll go double check now but after putting out 130 queens this spring I'm > pretty shure the color this year isn't blue. > Also are you sure you do not already have a new laying queen the only sure way > is to look for new eggs difacult. If you can get the light into the bottom of > the cells on the outside of the brood pattern you can spot them (if they are > there) as tiny white cylinders (long skinny with rounded ends) if presant you > have a queen laying and you have nothing to worry about. > If you can learn to see eggs you are a long way toward being a better than > average bee keeper. > The rest was very good info I personly would be tempted to leave two or three > queen cells and let them fight it out so as to keep the strongest. Then watch > and try to make sure I don't end up with a swarming problem. but that is > stricly a personal judgement call. > Cheers, > Dave > In Madison,WI USA > PS Erwin I think your english is better than mine. What kind of bee's do you > keep? Italians or? > > PPS as my mentor says if you get 10 beekeepers talking you'll get 11 opions and > they will all be good ones ;) Article 32514 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Jun 2002 12:13:48 GMT References: <0ggnguc394k462ef84n8or592aof2rrm4d@4ax.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: Re: Wax colours - problem? Message-ID: <20020617081348.23281.00000523@mb-ms.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer1.nac.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32514 i have heard that this is due to nectar coming in from cabbage plants. might be worth looking up. cheers Article 32515 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Erwin Schmidt" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020616184410.29978.00000634@mb-fd.aol.com> Subject: Re: Dead queen question Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 13:54:33 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3d0dcd20$0$15890$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: M404P008.dipool.highway.telekom.at X-Trace: 1024314656 newsreader02.highway.telekom.at 15890 62.46.40.104 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed01.univie.ac.at!newsfeed01.highway.telekom.at!newsreader02.highway.telekom.at!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32515 And we use glue. one point of glue and then the little plate. and then, some of us give a drop of honey on the bee that there is no problem with the others. but fo me, that's to much to do. erwin "Lazurus106" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:20020616184410.29978.00000634@mb-fd.aol.com... > Hi, > Belive it or not the one everyone talks about is testors. Yes the stuff they > use on plastic models. Not sure why other than its readily available and comes > in small bottles. > The bees may have taken care of things and replaced there older queen for any > number of reasons. Slowing down in egg production, poor health who knows. > Cheers, > Dave > in Madison,WI USA Article 32516 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:18:10 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024319894 8163336 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32516 Not only will boiling not kill the AFB spores, if you scorch the honey it can kill the bees when they eat it. Use sugar-water. "Wuffman" wrote in message news:aAdP8.304$uH2.216@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > So If I was to use store bought honey would it be safe to boil it first? > would I use a double boiler or could I put it in jars and boil them in a > canning pot withte mettal frame on the bottom? > > Right now it is not much differance in price sugar vs. store bought bulk > honey ican buy a 5 gallon bucket for a little bit more than a 50 lbs of > sugar Article 32517 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 09:23:09 -0400 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024320193 8037715 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32517 If you mix up too much ahead of time, it will mold. You can decrease this with a tiny bit of vinegar added, but generally should not do up too much at once. Possibly keeping it cold will also help, but you'll have to let it sit out to room temp again before use. Easier to make up what you need each day. One easy way to measure: put 5# sugar in a gallon jar, fill with water (leaving a little bit of headroom), shake to dissolve. Repeat shake a little later and again in the morning. Takes a little longer, but no heat required, very little actual work. "Wuffman" wrote in message news:el6P8.1910$6a.1441@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > How many cups of sugar are in a lb? I bought a 25# bag yeasterday and I > want to make up a large batch I also got me a case of new quart canning > jars and will fill them up and put the lid and rings on them and back in > their box so all I have to do when I need one is swap lids.... > Article 32518 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: cleaning frames up Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 22:20:24 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <9iAO8.3155$TP4.227181@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3d0b4301_3@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-122.adanedhel.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1024348649 24528 62.136.96.122 (17 Jun 2002 21:17:29 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 21:17:29 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32518 Burco is stainless steel but guess that does it for the wax. Frames come out good though. On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:34:30 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Soda will destroy wax - and your Burco boiler if it is aluminium rather than >stainless steel. >Peter Edwards >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Article 32519 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 23 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: lazurus106@aol.com (Lazurus106) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 17 Jun 2002 22:37:39 GMT References: <3d0dcb26$0$21420$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Dead queen question Message-ID: <20020617183739.03094.00000066@mb-bg.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32519 Hi, Yes your absolutly right but the surest way to verify it would be to check for eggs ( also an excellent way to really know the genral health of your hives at this time of the year or the last few months is the presence of eggs and there number along with the brood pattern eggs ,larva, sealed brood. I have to admit that I'm not familur with the scientific genus of my bee's they are an offshoot I belive of the New World Carneolians. The off shoot being called Harbo's (after there developer Dr Harbo) although he apprantly prefers they be called SMR'S for scientific mite resistant ( I belive. if someone knows better please correct me) So far they seem well behaved with a good build up for the climate and weather. I pulled my first box of locust honey off saturday (there is lots more but not sealed yet, very pale almost water white with a very light flavor) if anything they seem to be less likely to swarm (or the weather hasn't suited them) Than Standard Carneolians.They may be building to it as the hives seem stuffed with honey That may be due to the fact that because of a rapid expantion (of my hives) I'm forcing them all to draw at least a large box of comb some two. (with a couple of mediums or shallows for brood) I had hoped to use it to start a batch of mead but I think its to light a flavor to do well. Cheers, Dave in Madison,WI USA Article 32520 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Date: 17 Jun 2002 15:48:14 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206171448.4ddcb982@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.108.70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024354094 31127 127.0.0.1 (17 Jun 2002 22:48:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 2002 22:48:14 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32520 "Wuffman" wrote in message news:... > This morning when I went out to add more sugar water there was about 20 -30 > dead bees in front of the hive. > they were not there last night and it didn't get really cold last night... > it has been in the 80's the last 2 -3 days and last night droped down to low > 70's > > they have good water close by and even thought they are not as strong as my > other hive the last few days they have been using alot les sugar water than > before. before it was a quart a day and the last week it last 2 -3 days A couple of days of cold weather should not affect bees too much, interior temperature of the cluster is about 94f. Varroa and Tracheal mites do the damage by vectoring in virus^s, they are not like vampires! Having had to look at a local beekeepers bees the other day he had the same problem with hundreds of bees dead and dying each day. The colony was very strong and was filling supers. Taking a sample to our branch microscopist he is of the opinion that it is chronic bee paralysis virus. He checked the honey sac and found that it was extended with liquid, these were compared from healthy bees from his own hives. for further information try reading Honeybee Pathology by Dr Leslie Bailey. Article 32521 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 18:59:54 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-041.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32521 It might have been sarcasm but it might be possible. Instead of a plate attach metal foil. Colored foil would show up like paint and *might* be detectable by a cheap metal detector. The foil wouldn't weigh much and shouldn't affect flight. Would allow you to find the queen rapidly when you are inspecting the nest. While you could pass it over the hive and know she was there (assuming that you aren't detecting nails, etc.) you still wouldn't know if she were alive though. "Wuffman" wrote in message news:I2dP8.231$uH2.47@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > oK I don't know if that was ment as a real sugestion or if it was > sarcasim... but I can see 2 small problems with that idea... > > 1> it might keep the queen from being able to fly when its time for mating > 2> it might be able to tell you wat frame she is on or what side of a frame > > My idea would pinpoint her specificaly... but I was just curiouse if anyone > has tried it and or if they use a special kind of paint to mark them with? > of course yours you could pass the wand over the hive and know if she is > still home or not.... > > brian > > "Steve Newport" wrote in message > news:0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com... > > Or glue on a metallic plate and use a small hand held metal detector. > > > > On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT, "Wuffman" > > wrote: > > >I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent > > >paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the > bees? > > >Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... > > >Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to > > >try this that I just have not thought of yet.... > > >Brian > > > > > > Article 32522 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <4169b71c.0206171448.4ddcb982@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: dead bees Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: <8FvP8.117509$6v2.4840559@twister.southeast.rr.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 01:03:00 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1024362180 24.31.194.116 (Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:03:00 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:03:00 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32522 "albert cannon" wrote >Having had to look at a local beekeepers bees the other day > he had the same problem with hundreds of bees dead and dying each day. > The colony was very strong and was filling supers. Taking a sample to > our branch microscopist he is of the opinion that it is chronic bee > paralysis virus. Were they also check for pesticide hits? The strongest hives are usually the worst affected, because they have the most foragers picking up the poison. -- Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32523 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 18 Jun 2002 03:46:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Difficult swarm Message-ID: <20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!news.uky.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32523 Any suggestions for capturing a swarm that is tight to the trunk of a mountan ash about 4" in diameter spread over about 3' . Theyu just refuse to be knocked free . Article 32524 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-156-174.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: knossos.btinternet.com 1024386778 5995 213.122.156.174 (18 Jun 2002 07:52:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:52:58 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!isdnet!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32524 Great thread. I was thinking along similar lines when I saw some luminous paint in an art shop recently. Maybe a queen bee who glowed in the dark would be killed, maybe try this out on a drone first. Regarding the metal disks they do exist. Magnets are used to collect returning bees at the entrance of hives used for research into foraging behaviour. > From: "Wuffman" > Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 03:53:12 GMT > Subject: Re: Marking Queens > > oK I don't know if that was ment as a real sugestion or if it was > sarcasim... but I can see 2 small problems with that idea... > > 1> it might keep the queen from being able to fly when its time for mating > 2> it might be able to tell you wat frame she is on or what side of a frame > > My idea would pinpoint her specificaly... but I was just curiouse if anyone > has tried it and or if they use a special kind of paint to mark them with? > of course yours you could pass the wand over the hive and know if she is > still home or not.... > > brian > > "Steve Newport" wrote in message > news:0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com... >> Or glue on a metallic plate and use a small hand held metal detector. >> >> On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT, "Wuffman" >> wrote: >>> I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent >>> paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the > bees? >>> Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... >>> Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to >>> try this that I just have not thought of yet.... >>> Brian >> >> > > Article 32525 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles Pecka" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Difficult swarm Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:03:40 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 16 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32525 Beebrush "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com... > Any suggestions for capturing a swarm that is tight to the trunk of a mountan > ash about 4" in diameter spread over about 3' . > Theyu just refuse to be knocked free . > > > > > > Article 32526 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Smithfarms 100% Kona Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Smithfarms Kona Coffee Reply-To: webmistress@smithfarms.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:02:03 CDT X-Trace: sv3-84DU/63MGhrAq8bx5qT1k1UtEgoyNetPrdmQjPodHaK28U69kQ/thhpLs6KwTTPjVuwbDSyoLbhcEAq!A4Oyxu6dsOSFpbBkxl+Cf+cVr5Si1DmfrhlR0x2hdQfIfQOmBUfiLaZ8NvSMvNmskRbz1yzHFJ9f!+Lv0D68= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:02:03 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin2.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154205 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32526 On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:54:14 GMT, "The Man" wrote: >"(CNN) -- If you're grateful each morning for the tasty, eye-opening buzz >you get from your coffee, then you might have a "killer" bee to thank. > >Coffee plants (coffea arabica) are capable of self-pollination, so for a >long time researchers did not think insects made much difference to the >crop. > >But studies now show that when Africanized bees (or killer bees) pollinate >coffee plants, yields can increase by more than 50 percent." > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/06/14/coolsc.coffee/ > If coffee is self fertile, which we farmers believe it is, how could it be any more fertilised? I just don't get it. With bees or without bees, it is fertilised. I admit that I see our bees on the flowers, gathering the nectar, but it is for the bees benefit , I think. aloha, Cea Smith http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32527 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 54 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:56:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1024419416 209.204.149.192 (Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:56:56 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:56:56 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154212 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32527 In article , Smithfarms 100% Kona wrote: > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:54:14 GMT, "The Man" wrote: > > >"(CNN) -- If you're grateful each morning for the tasty, eye-opening buzz > >you get from your coffee, then you might have a "killer" bee to thank. > > > >Coffee plants (coffea arabica) are capable of self-pollination, so for a > >long time researchers did not think insects made much difference to the > >crop. > > > >But studies now show that when Africanized bees (or killer bees) pollinate > >coffee plants, yields can increase by more than 50 percent." > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/06/14/coolsc.coffee/ > > > If coffee is self fertile, which we farmers believe it is, how could > it be any more fertilised? I just don't get it. With bees or without > bees, it is fertilised. I admit that I see our bees on the flowers, > gathering the nectar, but it is for the bees benefit , I think. > aloha, > Cea Smith > http://www.smithfarms.com > Farmers & Sellers of 100% > Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! *IF* I recall rightly, coffee beans grow in some kind of "pods" or clusters, rather than individual "one flower equals one bean" arrangements, right? (Or am I thinking of cocoa beans?) An analogy would be corn or peas... Sure, they self-pollinate to a degree, but I'm sure you've see the pod of peas that has exactly one pea inside it, or the cob of fresh corn with those funky micro-kernels - both examples of "under-pollination". Now, think about your coffee - Sure, it self-pollinates. Again, *IF* I'm remembering right, that means that a self-pollinated pod/cluster could have one bean in it, or 5, or 20, or whatever the upper possible number is - I ain't Juan Valdez, or even Juan's donkey! :) While a flower that is thoroughly worked by foraging bees, and has every potential seed pollinated would have most, if not all, of the seeds pollinated, meaning it would be loaded with beans at harvest time, rather than having just one or two puny ones. It isn't a case of growing bigger beans to get a better crop, but growing MORE beans, correct? Or am I entirely screwed up in my thinking? Of course, this whole line of thought falls apart if coffee is actually a "one flower, one seed" kind of crop... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32528 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: 18 Jun 2002 18:08:44 GMT Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: nts-242.4-185-64.nts-online.net (64.185.4.242) X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024423724 8882958 64.185.4.242 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!nts-242.4-185-64.nts-online.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32528 Steve Newport wrote in news:oq4qgukcuofd6s9f7hikm4srq55ok7vqbi@4ax.com: > Grow up and stop being so sensitive - go and hug someone. Hard to hug someone when you're wearing that gas mask, don't you know there's a war on? C.K. At: 34.94 N X 101.69 W. Article 32529 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Smithfarms 100% Kona Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Smithfarms Kona Coffee Reply-To: webmistress@smithfarms.com Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 48 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:27:40 CDT X-Trace: sv3-xZVNF/97/NKAK04E1tRx3tvCDoBaE1qID1tQjRZWRlqc8aFPhQnuUqul40iBq+OjC7CDV+VSOzZde5r!iZw+YUMH1m+lp0v6tNSi1BlhBYYFYXYzvwxUP7KUpDdSfrOGwkJ5ZuRquTa9wEgF+zECtBuRdCjP!k0fIEDg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:27:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!tethys.csu.net!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!news.maxwell.syr.edu!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154226 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32529 On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:56:56 GMT, Don Bruder wrote: >In article , > Smithfarms 100% Kona wrote: >> > >> If coffee is self fertile, which we farmers believe it is, how could >> it be any more fertilised? I just don't get it. With bees or without >> bees, it is fertilised. I admit that I see our bees on the flowers, >> gathering the nectar, but it is for the bees benefit , I think. >> aloha, >> Cea Smith >> http://www.smithfarms.com >> Farmers & Sellers of 100% >> Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! > >*IF* I recall rightly, coffee beans grow in some kind of "pods" or >clusters, rather than individual "one flower equals one bean" >arrangements, right? (Or am I thinking of cocoa beans?) An analogy would >be corn or peas... Sure, they self-pollinate to a degree, but I'm sure >you've see the pod of peas that has exactly one pea inside it, or the >cob of fresh corn with those funky micro-kernels - both examples of >"under-pollination". No one flower equals one fruit which in 95% of the cases is two flat sided beans known as "Type I" beans. In 5% of the crop, one flower equals one Peaberry bean which is semi rounded, or a "Type II" bean. Cocoa, which I certainly don't know as well, comes in a pod formation. > >Now, think about your coffee - Sure, it self-pollinates. Again, *IF* I'm >remembering right, that means that a self-pollinated pod/cluster could >have one bean in it, or 5, or 20, or whatever the upper possible number >is - I ain't Juan Valdez, or even Juan's donkey! :) While a flower that >is thoroughly worked by foraging bees, and has every potential seed >pollinated would have most, if not all, of the seeds pollinated, meaning >it would be loaded with beans at harvest time, rather than having just >one or two puny ones. It isn't a case of growing bigger beans to get a >better crop, but growing MORE beans, correct? Or am I entirely screwed >up in my thinking? > >Of course, this whole line of thought falls apart if coffee is actually >a "one flower, one seed" kind of crop... with aloha, Cea http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32530 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Difficult swarm X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D0F7E21.4AAB4359@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:38:25 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!nntp.abs.net!uunet!dca.uu.net!ash.uu.net!xyzzy!nntp Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32530 Use a hand-held mirror to shine sunlight on them. You might be able to corall them like that. Billy Smart Rock, KS BeeCrofter wrote: > > Any suggestions for capturing a swarm that is tight to the trunk of a mountan > ash about 4" in diameter spread over about 3' . > Theyu just refuse to be knocked free . Article 32531 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Charlie Kroeger Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Date: 18 Jun 2002 19:49:29 GMT Lines: 99 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.167.143.68 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024429769 8983607 216.167.143.68 (16 [35320]) User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.167.143.68!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154233 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32531 "Ivo van der Putten" wrote in news:vIYO8.2086087$Lj7.69398581@Flipper: > Since there is about a 20 million bag surplus of coffee this crop You wouldn't know this in supermarkets in Amarillo, Texas..greedy bastards I say; but, 'they' would say market forces converge to supply the consumer. Why don't these growers who've produced this surplus go directly to the public via the Internet? That was supposed to be one of the great advantages of the Internet..producer to consumer. ('downstreaming' as the oil companies say) If I could buy a hundred kilos of coffee directly for say what general foods pays on the 'open' market, that would be peachy. What's wrong with a 'co-op' and eliminate those parasites in between? erk..what's that you say? large companies are producing this surplus, not sturdy farmers owning their own land? So..what's a lot of large coffee producers going to do? If the price for a bag of coffee off the boat in the consuming country is too cheap to make an amount of money the producers (want or need, I'm not sure which it is) and the packers don't 'pass along' this lower pricing to their retailers... what, they do? because the large retailers know the commodity price too, and so it really comes down to the underpaid and over taxed consumer at the supermarket paying more for coffee this year than last, since 'they' know he will. This 'average' consumer is nothing compared to the 'affluent' consumer who is suffereing from the disease of status and will always pay twice to three times the amount of a supermarket brand making the average consumer look wise by comparison. It may not be known by people outside America, but in this country, there is a large segment of the population that pays a lot of money to drink coffee so 'burnt' each bean is black as a little piece of charcoal, and they then have to put all sorts of sweet and frothy additions to it just to be able to drink it down, but suggest to them that maybe it taste like a half burned piece of wood soaked in water and they will fight you over it. I don't get it. market forces? there are none. Then Cea Smith (the webmistress) at Smithfarms, producers of 100% Kona coffee (affordable by a few) and other things, said: >how could it be any more fertilized? I just don't get it. There are degrees of quality regarding fertilization it has to do with getting the complete gene package as it were. Take for instance, melons that are not known for being self pollinators but will be pollinated by chance if the wind blows. The amount of pollen they receive having a direct relation to how the melon looks and whether there's another melon on the same vine. With bee or insect pollination the melon has a better chance of receiving it's full compliment of genetic material so it ends up looking like a melon, and more of them too since there will be no shortage of blossoms. Poorly pollinated melons I see in the supermarkets frequently are big on one end and withered on the other..no one seems to be concerned about this, but in 'the old days' watermelons were the same diameter their whole length. This is one example of high production agribusiness style, but with lowered quality. To put it simply, insect pollination of any crop lends itself to superior genetics, and that means 'more' and 'better' shaped fruits and vegetables. Then Don Bruder said: >It isn't a case of growing bigger beans to get a >better crop, but growing MORE beans, correct? Or am I entirely screwed >up in my thinking? >Of course, this whole line of thought falls apart if coffee is actually >a "one flower, one seed" kind of crop... You're correct in either way..coffee plants produce 'stems' containing bean 'clusters'. Imagine a longish stem where there's a cluster of beans say 10, and then a space of an inch where there's nothing, then another cluster of beans numbering eight or more. For every 'future' bean, there's a pretty white and yellow flower, the perfect arrangement for bees, not unlike almonds. The assumption would have to be made that a lot of bees in a flowering coffee plantation would create a large increase in bean production. Almond producers in California have long known this and pay zillions of dollars for thousands of hives to be trucked in. C.K. Article 32532 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Smithfarms 100% Kona Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Smithfarms Kona Coffee Reply-To: webmistress@smithfarms.com Message-ID: <7n8vguk1uutd20cqfttbj1gv604s5537em@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:16:16 CDT X-Trace: sv3-OX6KajtUX/n6ao/Mzxr2s5Lv1g9+ocITIPS7aUNmpE/BauzRW2WwPGLqRSTTz/vXVPpRB5wEZDXwlGU!+C8EneFoiBKOEzy3GLpAwtB3hZtwrBiZutrs5tGTZg6mcTlpurhLUKEpp9kJla+aFmKZSF3r/MFc!1ZrtG0U= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:16:16 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!cadig2.usna.navy.mil!info.usuhs.mil!news.uky.edu!newsfeed.utk.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin7.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154247 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32532 On 18 Jun 2002 19:49:29 GMT, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >"Ivo van der Putten" wrote in >Then Cea Smith (the webmistress) at Smithfarms, producers of 100% Kona >coffee (affordable by a few) and other things, said: > >>how could it be any more fertilized? I just don't get it. > >There are degrees of quality regarding fertilization it has to do with >getting the complete gene package as it were. Take for instance, melons >that are not known for being self pollinators but will be pollinated by >chance if the wind blows. The amount of pollen they receive having a >direct relation to how the melon looks and whether there's another melon >on the same vine. With bee or insect pollination the melon has a better >chance of receiving it's full compliment of genetic material so it ends up >looking like a melon, and more of them too since there will be no shortage >of blossoms. So Charlie Kroeger, the coffee flower is fertilised As It opens. Is this at all comparable to melons or corn? There are not any misformed coffee beans as I pick. So could you cite the source for your discussion here? Or cite one source? >Poorly pollinated melons I see in the supermarkets frequently are big on >one end and withered on the other..no one seems to be concerned about >this, but in 'the old days' watermelons were the same diameter their whole >length. This is one example of high production agribusiness style, but >with lowered quality. > >To put it simply, insect pollination of any crop lends itself to superior >genetics, and that means 'more' and 'better' shaped fruits and vegetables. True, I agree, if the flower is able to be cross pollinated but..... coffee is not. It is fertile when it opens. The stamen has done its work before the bee approaches. I believe in bees too and would like to know, actually what the plant gets from having that sweet Jasmine-type flower. aloha, Cea Smith http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32533 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Coffee for Connoisseurs" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <9NNP8.327907$o66.845785@news-server.bigpond.net.au> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:40:21 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.136.0.38 X-Complaints-To: news@bigpond.net.au X-Trace: news-server.bigpond.net.au 1024436421 144.136.0.38 (Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:40:21 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:40:21 EST Organization: BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.net.au) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!news-server.bigpond.net.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154251 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32533 >Why don't these growers who've produced this surplus go directly to the >public via the Internet? That was supposed to be one of the great >advantages of the Internet..producer to consumer. ('downstreaming' as the >oil companies say) The "surplus" is mostly Robusta. There is no more quality Arabica available than there ever has been. (Probably less, in fact.) Even if the producers (primarily smallholders in Vietnam) could sell direct to you via the internet, you wouldn't want to buy it. Plus which coffee does NOT come from the tree roasted, ground and packaged. -- Alan www.coffeeco.com.au alanfrew@coffeeco.com.au Article 32534 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:58:34 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <06bvgu88bafouqhton1g03jrvcth8ndd3a@4ax.com> References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-39.echuir.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1024437338 3830 62.136.167.167 (18 Jun 2002 21:55:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 2002 21:55:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32534 There's always a war on - we're allies here! Go on give us a hug - you know you want to! On 18 Jun 2002 18:08:44 GMT, Charlie Kroeger wrote: >Steve Newport wrote in >news:oq4qgukcuofd6s9f7hikm4srq55ok7vqbi@4ax.com: >> Grow up and stop being so sensitive - go and hug someone. >Hard to hug someone when you're wearing that gas mask, don't you know >there's a war on? >C.K. >At: 34.94 N X 101.69 W. Article 32535 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Not only do we have brood, we have HATCHING bees! Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 55 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:22:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.243 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1024438958 209.204.149.243 (Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:22:38 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:22:38 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news2.wam.umd.edu!ra.nrl.navy.mil!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsswitch.lcs.mit.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:515 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32535 YEEHAW!!!! Went into the hive today to see what, if anything was developing. Guess I timed things right, 'cause not only did I find several frames are near fully drawn, but I was able to see that there were at least 5 little bee-heeads trying to get out of cells. Not the usual "butt-out" arrangement I've been seeing, where it's obviously a worker in the process of building/repairing/cleaning/filling a cell, but little bee jaws poking out through the top of the caps and chewing holes, and bee faces and legs struggling to get out through not-quite-big-enough-yet holes, then ducking back in to chew on the edges some more. HOORAY! I've definitely got a producing queen in the box! Looks like her first eggs are just starting to pop. I've also got clearly visible fresh eggs in places that I haven't seen eggs (and in some places, where I haven't even seen *COMB*) before, which obviously means she's still TCOB. I've also been working up my courage a bit... Started out with a "hazmat suit" type of paranoia, and slowly worked my worries down, and my courage up. I've been "getting the hang" of this batch of bees, slowly, figuring out how they behave, figuring out how I should behave, and generally "getting the lay of the land". Now that I've been in the hive several times and have a clue what to look for/at, and how to conduct myself while the lid is off, I decided to try something new today. After lifting one end of the lid and getting zero reaction of any kind, I went at things a bit different than usual. Normally, I gauge the reaction to lifting the lid, and decide whether I'm spooked enough to need gloves, veil, a double-layer of sweatshirt, tape on ankles and wrists, smoker,cast-iron body armor, or whatever, and after setting the lid back down, go get/put on whatever protection I think I need. Today, after getting a total zilch reaction from the bees, I decided to get brave/stupid. I'd pull a couple frames, and see what happened. When lifting the lid got me no reaction, I simply set it aside, and went to work in my normal clothes - blue-jeans, a T-shirt, and a baseball cap. After lifting each and every frame, and in the case of the one where the new bees were working their way out, standing there watching for so long that I only decided it was time to put it back when I realized I had a handful of bees using my arm as a landing board to get to the comb, I realized that I'd gone all the way through the hive without even one aggressive reaction from the bees. Wheeeeee! Either I'm extrememly lucky, or the bees are even more gentle than I already thought they were. Either way, it was a *HUGE* confidence boost. Crazy/stupid/unwise, or whatever, it seems to me I've "passed through the fire", and I've got no blisters to show for it. Maybe it helps that this is "just" a hobby-hive, and I had literally all day to take my time and go slow. I doubt I'd be crazy enough to walk up to a hive I didn't know like that, and expect to come away un-zapped... But what a rush! -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32536 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Difficult swarm Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:30:07 +0100 Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-650.stoked.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1024439405 32630 62.25.190.138 (18 Jun 2002 22:30:05 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Jun 2002 22:30:05 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32536 Three suggestions: If they are near to the ground, place a hive or skep at the base and brush them down in front of it - a handful of grass makes a good brush. Put a skep tight up against the trunk just above them and smoke them gently from below. They will run up into it. If they are really spread out (you can spread them more with a little smoke), find the queen, pick her off and put her in a skep, or hive, and the bees will follow. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com... > Any suggestions for capturing a swarm that is tight to the trunk of a mountan > ash about 4" in diameter spread over about 3' . > Theyu just refuse to be knocked free . > > > > > > Article 32537 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: a question about working bees? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5.uncensored-news.com Message-ID: <3d0fc0a4$1_7@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@uncensored-news.com Send only the header of the offending post, DO NOT attach any file. X-Comment: NOTICE: Uncensored-News.Com does not condone, nor support, spam, illegal or copyrighted postings. X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 19 Jun 2002 00:22:12 +0100 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.uncensored-news.com!traffic.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32537 I have hives, with two deep supers filled with comb,honey, and brood. So, I added a queen excluder and a shallow super on top of the two deep supers, ready to start collecting honey. The bees don't seem to be wanting to move up in the shallow super. Is this because the bees think they have enough? Should I split the two deep super and place the shallow super in between? Any help is appreciated. Thank you. ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><> Article 32538 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:29:41 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3d0fc1dd.695566608@news1.radix.net> References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> <06bvgu88bafouqhton1g03jrvcth8ndd3a@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p17.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32538 On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:58:34 +0100, Steve Newport wrote: >There's always a war on - we're allies here! >Go on give us a hug - you know you want to! > Not until you call your crown board an inner cover. beekeep Article 32539 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "huestis'" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0b4377_1@corp.newsgroups.com> <3d0c8ec2_4@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: sugar water Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 19:50:43 -0700 Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.23.8.46 Message-ID: <3d0fd134_4@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1024446772 209.23.8.46 (18 Jun 2002 19:32:52 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 80,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!news-out.newsfeeds.com!l2!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32539 Hi, I should clarify how I feed honey. First of all I use my own honey from colonies that have been checked for disease. I use the robinhood method. I take surplus honey from the rich colonies and give it to the poor (weak). Similar to equalizing colonies in the spring. I never boil honey and prefer to feed it in the comb. But sometimes one must feed it in a feeder. I feed it diluted 50/50. Feeding honey from unknown sources isn't a good idea as some have said here. Feeding honey elimanates possible contamination of supers with syrup being robbed from weaker colonies. But as I said before why set up a feeder when I can just give them real feed in the comb? Feeding honey must be done properly and can't really be done by the begginer as they have no honey to start with that can be considered safe. I use unlimited broodnest management for my bees and cuts down on most feeding. Clay -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 32540 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Difficult swarm Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:48:41 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: References: <20020617234622.22711.00000907@mb-fq.aol.com> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.cd.e5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 19 Jun 2002 03:53:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!priapus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32540 Bee vacuum, a must have for swarm collectors. Article 32541 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Argentine ants Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:52:50 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 6 Message-ID: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: a5.f7.cd.e5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 19 Jun 2002 04:01:04 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32541 My large established hives have minimal trouble with argentine ants. But my divides on division screens get wiped out. The ants like the unprotected brood. Any novel ideas or techniques someone can recommend ? Article 32542 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:03:24 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> <06bvgu88bafouqhton1g03jrvcth8ndd3a@4ax.com> <3d0fc1dd.695566608@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-55.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1024467553 24500 217.135.64.55 (19 Jun 2002 06:19:13 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2002 06:19:13 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!isdnet!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32542 Why use three syllables when two will do? -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d0fc1dd.695566608@news1.radix.net... > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:58:34 +0100, Steve Newport > wrote: > > >There's always a war on - we're allies here! > >Go on give us a hug - you know you want to! > > > > Not until you call your crown board an inner cover. > > beekeep > Article 32543 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:20:18 +0100 Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> <06bvgu88bafouqhton1g03jrvcth8ndd3a@4ax.com> <3d0fc1dd.695566608@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-55.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1024467612 21575 217.135.64.55 (19 Jun 2002 06:20:12 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2002 06:20:12 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32543 or even four! Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Peter Edwards" wrote in message news:aep7p1$ntk$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > Why use three syllables when two will do? > -- > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > > "beekeep" wrote in message > news:3d0fc1dd.695566608@news1.radix.net... > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:58:34 +0100, Steve Newport > > wrote: > > > > >There's always a war on - we're allies here! > > >Go on give us a hug - you know you want to! > > > > > > > Not until you call your crown board an inner cover. > > > > beekeep > > > > Article 32544 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Donn Cave" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:11:20 -0000 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Message-ID: <1024470678.766577@yasure> References: <7n8vguk1uutd20cqfttbj1gv604s5537em@4ax.com> X-In-Reply-To: Smithfarms 100% Kona X-Newsreader: BeOS-PyNR V1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Encoding: 8bit Cache-Post-Path: yasure!unknown@dank89.drizzle.com X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.textport.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154291 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32544 I threw this one into Google, and as usual found all kinds of stuff. I'll pick this one, http://www.apacame.org.br/mensagemdoce/44/artigo.htm, since you all can do your own reading on most of it but this one's in Portuguese. In this study, they were testing a commercial bee pheromone product to see if it increased yield. Apparently similar research has been done for other orchard plants. I wouldn't be surprised if all this research is funded by the firms that product the product, but this study is not as interesting anyway for our immediate purposes, as the prior work they cite to establish the significance of insect pollination. ``In coffee (Coffea arabica L.) culture, AMARAL (1952, 1960) obtained improvements of 13% and 39% in the production of seeds, in uncovered trees compared to covered trees, where pollinating insects were kept out. SEIN (1959) obtained an improvement of 10% in the same conditions. AMARAL (1972) found, in Piracicaba (SP), production averages (medians?) of coffee cherries of 9.24 kg, and 15.89 kg per [cova], in the absence and in the presence of pollinating insects, respectively. This data shows the importance of employing [colmeias] of A. mellifera in coffee orchards during the flowering season, in order to obtain better [safras] of coffee, especially if the number of pollinating insects in the immediate neighborhood is small.'' Note that the citations are from 30 to 50 years old. This is not totally recent news (at least if you follow Brazilian agricultural science bulletins) and may pre-date African bees (late 50's?) Donn Article 32545 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: drezac@greenapple.com (Duane Rezac) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: 19 Jun 2002 04:52:41 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 25 Message-ID: <7ec141c5.0206190352.2c433cbe@posting.google.com> References: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 4.18.4.233 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024487562 12937 127.0.0.1 (19 Jun 2002 11:52:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Jun 2002 11:52:42 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32545 Steve Newport wrote in message news:<0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com>... > Or glue on a metallic plate and use a small hand held metal detector. > > On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT, "Wuffman" > wrote: > >I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent > >paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the bees? > >Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... > >Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to > >try this that I just have not thought of yet.... > >Brian I also raise pygmy goats. The two does we just purchased have been microchipped - a small chip in a capsule was injected under the skin. Each chip has it's own unique id number, and can be read by a small hand scanner. Something like this would be possible if the chip (without the capsule) would be small enought to glue on the queen - then you could scan the hive to quickly find the queen. Duane Rezac drezac@greenapple.com Article 32546 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "RPM1" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not only do we have brood, we have HATCHING bees! Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:56:57 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 20 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:516 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32546 "Don Bruder" > YEEHAW!!!! > Went into the hive today to see what, if anything was developing. Guess > I timed things right, 'cause not only did I find several frames are near > fully drawn, but I was able to see that there were at least 5 little > bee-heeads trying to get out of cells. Yay! What great news! Me, I have ant eggs in our mailbox. That's about it. :-\ My husband was so spooked by a recent show on one of the learning type channels about Africanized bees that I don't think he'll ever let us have a hive here. Too bad. My squash garden could really use the help. Oh well, I love reading the stories and information here. Ruth CM upstate NY Article 32547 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Jun 2002 12:17:26 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Not only do we have brood, we have HATCHING bees! Message-ID: <20020619081726.25160.00001920@mb-cl.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32547 As things progress and you stop looking like a nuclear accident take time to ponder what is going on in a healthy brood nest. an egg for 3 days a larvae for 6 capped for 12 so expect to see 2x as many capped brood as larvae 2x as many larvae as eggs. Article 32548 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Jun 2002 12:20:25 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Difficult swarm Message-ID: <20020619082025.25160.00001921@mb-cl.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32548 Well my difficult swarm has departed, a nuc is collecting a few strags. Climbing and cutting were not options A bee vac would work , I'll have to give the mirror routine a whirl sometime. Article 32549 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 19 Jun 2002 12:22:25 GMT References: <3d0fc0a4$1_7@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: a question about working bees? Message-ID: <20020619082225.25160.00001922@mb-cl.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32549 >The bees don't seem to be wanting to move >up in the shallow super Is the suber filled with drawn comb? Is there a honey flow on? Can you remove the excluder until they start working in the super and then replace it? Article 32550 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Teri Bachus" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "Arizona Bee Industry Hits Hard Times" Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:31:33 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <1024490280.10708@savina> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 15 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32550 see AP article at: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020613/ap_on_bi_ge/honey _industry_1 "...Even with the stinging reality, there is some encouragement. Robert Danka, a research entomologist with the U.S. Department of Agriculture... said there is anecdotal evidence that native bee populations may be developing some resistance to parasitic mites, which have destroyed 75 to 85 percent of the native honeybee population of the United States since 1984." Article 32551 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:34:58 -0400 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024493701 9507066 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154320 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32551 Tomatoes are self-fertile (a single flower's pollen can pollinate itself). But, they still need a pollinator. Most of the time, it is the wind. But, a buzzing type bee moves the flower more efficiently and improves pollination (so, more pollen is received, you get fewer misshapen fruit, not as many bloom drops, etc). The article explains that exactly the same thing happens with coffee -- the presence of a pollinator improves pollination enough that yield is affected. It doesn't say whether it is an economical change (cost of pollinators, will you have to fertilize more due to increased yields, etc). If, however, it improves the quality of the yield (larger beans, rather than just more and possibly smaller ones), it would be a competitive edge for those selling specialty coffee beans. K. Oland -- coffee drinker and all for improving quality. "Smithfarms 100% Kona" wrote in message news:v9muguk3u2sbpgokguosvferkt6km8co1p@4ax.com... > If coffee is self fertile, which we farmers believe it is, how could > it be any more fertilised? I just don't get it. With bees or without > bees, it is fertilised. I admit that I see our bees on the flowers, > gathering the nectar, but it is for the bees benefit , I think. > aloha, > Cea Smith > http://www.smithfarms.com > Farmers & Sellers of 100% > Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32552 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Argentine ants Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:44:08 -0400 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024494249 9411222 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!algonet!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!130.133.1.3!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32552 Use a (metal) stand for the hive, with the legs in water or covered in tanglefoot? "Oliver Frank" wrote in message news:aeovm0$bta$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net... > My large established hives have minimal trouble with argentine ants. > But my divides on division screens get wiped out. The ants like the > unprotected brood. > > Any novel ideas or techniques someone can recommend ? > Article 32553 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Smithfarms 100% Kona Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Smithfarms Kona Coffee Reply-To: webmistress@smithfarms.com Message-ID: <3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:13:47 CDT X-Trace: sv3-e269fmfISHuVgClnwQkLCepiThToUdzYSiHv/Rf2k57LjV1NsxztxMGNEhTPAG5lH10zEc9vBiKyCqQ!PavYdls+uCtfNOiNFKcbjaBhVIEbvXdUm6kFyjLyYMajGWpiJxZhjVX6m5C+0xHS6S8nkrt7e1CY!mdHHQiM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:13:47 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154346 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32553 On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:34:58 -0400, "KOland" wrote: >Tomatoes are self-fertile (a single flower's pollen can pollinate itself). > >But, they still need a pollinator. Most of the time, it is the wind. But, a >buzzing type bee moves the flower more efficiently and improves pollination >(so, more pollen is received, you get fewer misshapen fruit, not as many >bloom drops, etc). > >The article explains that exactly the same thing happens with coffee -- the >presence of a pollinator improves pollination enough that yield is affected. >It doesn't say whether it is an economical change (cost of pollinators, will >you have to fertilize more due to increased yields, etc). If, however, it >improves the quality of the yield (larger beans, rather than just more and >possibly smaller ones), it would be a competitive edge for those selling >specialty coffee beans. > >K. Oland -- coffee drinker and all for improving quality. Aloha, I am sorry to want to go further but explain what is wrong with my high school biology memory- and lots could be wrong . If a coffee flower is fertilised upon opening, and the cells begin to divide at that moment, introducing a bee any moment afterwards, will not change those cells from continuing to multiply and divide. Pollination by a bee will not improve the action already taking place. Correct? Unlike the kind explanation about tomatoes (which we can not grow here successfully because of the fruit fly) we do not have misshapen coffee beans or empty beans etc.. The flower is fertilised upon opening. Still curious. Cea http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32554 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Timothy C. Eisele Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Date: 19 Jun 2002 12:59:53 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3d10b889$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> References: <3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX IT-DCS binary version 970321; sun4u SunOS 5.8] X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.219.66.33 X-Original-Trace: 19 Jun 2002 12:59:53 -0400, 141.219.66.33 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 44 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!sn-xit-05!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!mtunews.mtu.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154349 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32554 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping Smithfarms 100% Kona wrote: > Aloha, I am sorry to want to go further but explain what is wrong > with my high school biology memory- and lots could be wrong . > If a coffee flower is fertilised upon opening, and the cells begin to ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > divide at that moment, introducing a bee any moment afterwards, will ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > not change those cells from continuing to multiply and divide. > Pollination by a bee will not improve the action already taking place. > Correct? I have underlined what I think the problem is. Is the blossom really "fertilized upon opening", with the seed in the ovary immediately beginning to mature? Or does it merely become *receptive to pollen* immediately upon opening? The first possibility sounds extremely unlikely to me, because in that case there would be no purpose for the plant to have a flower at all. If there is no chance for cross- pollination to occur, then why does the plant expend the resources to grow a complicated flower, or to stock it with nectar, when it could just grow a bean directly and be done with it? The only reason I know of for flowers to have nectaries is to draw pollinators, but if pollinators cannot affect the flower in any way, why should the plant expend energy to produce a sugar solution to attract them? I think it is much more likely that the flower simply can receive pollen immediately upon opening, and also begins producing pollen immediately, but that it takes some period of time for the pollen to be transferred to the female part of the flower. The pollen then has to produce the pollen tube to the ovary of the flower to fertilize the seed, which takes more time. I expect there is a certain probability that any given flower will, in fact, *not* self-pollinate, and will simply drop off. No misshapen or underdeveloped beans, just fewer of them. This is the way other fruits with a single seed per fruit, like cherries and plums, work. By having bees and other pollinating insects around, they can both carry pollen from one blossom to another, and also encourage self-pollination. Maybe there is something highly unusual about coffee, and the plant is in fact developing so that it *does* just grow a seed, but there is no reason I am aware of to assume that this is the case. -- Tim Eisele tceisele@mtu.edu Article 32555 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "William C" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0fc0a4$1_7@news5.uncensored-news.com> <20020619082225.25160.00001922@mb-cl.aol.com> Subject: Re: a question about working bees? Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: news5.uncensored-news.com Message-ID: <3d10c39c_7@news5.uncensored-news.com> Organization: Uncensored-News.Com $9.95 Uncensored Newsgroups. X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@uncensored-news.com Send only the header of the offending post, DO NOT attach any file. X-Comment: NOTICE: Uncensored-News.Com does not condone, nor support, spam, illegal or copyrighted postings. X-T.O.S.: http://www.uncensored-news.com/terms.html Date: 19 Jun 2002 18:47:08 +0100 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!news5.uncensored-news.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32555 The shallow super is filled with cell-rite foundation, honey flow is on, and yes, I can remove the excluder. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020619082225.25160.00001922@mb-cl.aol.com... > >The bees don't seem to be wanting to move > >up in the shallow super > > Is the suber filled with drawn comb? > Is there a honey flow on? > Can you remove the excluder until they start working in the super and then > replace it? > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Still Only $9.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><> Article 32556 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Argentine ants Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp1.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1024509139 14537 128.173.176.174 (19 Jun 2002 17:52:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:52:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32556 In article , koland@staffingtech.com says... > >Use a (metal) stand for the hive, with the legs in water or covered in >tanglefoot? > I have built low platforms for my hives with treated 2X4 legs that sit in coffee cans filled with old motor oil. Water is a no no as each can will become a mosquito farm. >"Oliver Frank" wrote in message >news:aeovm0$bta$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net... >> My large established hives have minimal trouble with argentine ants. >> But my divides on division screens get wiped out. The ants like the >> unprotected brood. >> >> Any novel ideas or techniques someone can recommend ? >> > > Article 32557 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Smithfarms 100% Kona Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Smithfarms Kona Coffee Reply-To: webmistress@smithfarms.com Message-ID: <3jh1hus2ri7ugnr32kq782sgr4p1hn6be1@4ax.com> References: <3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com> <3d10b889$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 19 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:03:17 CDT X-Trace: sv3-msBUPRCQvN9O/RQxQbjCFYt7tsbA4aieM489htMPFuu6lzjtn/VLKRKnZMNYGxesFHfFPHJ/R+jBswc!URV3Y5aiz1n0kabZd+3B7tGEiSJv6qBVaBriD4f9U2jLQCvi9AKtCB/W+WK7acUzReg4fPpyJ2gc!Mx5U9EU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:03:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!DirecTVinternet!DirecTV-DSL!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!newsfeed.sjc.globix.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!easynews!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154362 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32557 On 19 Jun 2002 12:59:53 -0400, Timothy C. Eisele wrote: >In sci.agriculture.beekeeping Smithfarms 100% Kona wrote: >Maybe there is something highly unusual about coffee, and the plant >is in fact developing so that it *does* just grow a seed, but there >is no reason I am aware of to assume that this is the case. Thank you Tim. I agree with your theory about why would coffee need a flower. I can now comprehend this discussion a bit better and realise that I must have gotten mis-information along the way. I will continue to think about this and next time an expert assures me that all coffee flowers are self fertilised, I will ask them to give a deeper explanation. Mahalo nui from Kona, Cea Smith http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32558 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:59:02 -0400 Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024520344 9872559 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154406 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32558 Except that the common conception that the flower is already as pollinated as it will get appears to be incorrect. Hence, the studies now and similar in the 1950's that show pollinators do improve yield. Possibly they are drilling holes into the unopened blossoms and improving pollination, or they are buzzing the unopened flowers. Either of which could improve yields without the theory of pre-fertilization being true. However, nature generally does not select for wasting of enormous resources needed to create flowers, nectar, etc, when they are totally unnecessary (as they would be if all pollination were finished prior to the opening of the flower). Over time, the coffee plant would have evolved to the state of an unopened blossom, going straight from the bud stage to the fruit stage. As to the division ... in some plants species, multiple pollen grains fertilize each fruit and the more the higher the quality (correctly shaped, larger fruit, etc...). In this case (which I have no idea if coffee fits, and it sounds like others do not yet as well), the pollinator can improve yield after blossom opening Sorry to hear about your lack of success with tomatoes .. Canned are just not the same (and forget those hard red balls they sell at stores, those are not tomatoes). You never have any blossoms that simply drop off, never producing fruit? Never have a fruit drop after first set? "Smithfarms 100% Kona" wrote in message news:3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com...> >Aloha, I am sorry to want to go further but explain what is wrong > with my high school biology memory- and lots could be wrong . > If a coffee flower is fertilised upon opening, and the cells begin to > divide at that moment, introducing a bee any moment afterwards, will > not change those cells from continuing to multiply and divide. > Pollination by a bee will not improve the action already taking place. > Correct? > Unlike the kind explanation about tomatoes (which we can not grow here > successfully because of the fruit fly) we do not have misshapen > coffee beans or empty beans etc.. The flower is fertilised upon > opening Article 32559 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:03:26 -0400 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com> <3d10b889$1@mtunews.mtu.edu> <3jh1hus2ri7ugnr32kq782sgr4p1hn6be1@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024520609 9507736 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154407 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32559 One other possibility on the pollinators, left out of the tomato analogy. Some species will self-pollinate, but produce more robust fruit (seed) when pollinated by another individual plant. So, although coffee self-pollinates fine with wind, introducing pollinators allows pollen from other individual coffee plants to be used and that can not only improve fruit set, but also crop size (think inbreeding versus hybridization). I think Timothy's explanation was right on .. no plant would waste resources on nectar and blossoms if it were not necessary. Article 32560 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Louis Ohland Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Something new to brood over Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:10:46 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: <3D10F356.8B119BC3@charter.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32560 My mother was working in a shade bed, and she thought that she heard bees. Long story deleted, but yup, right on. They're about 50 ft up in a Catalpa (these bees have NO TASTE whatsoever). Figure about 100+ bees up there (at least). We've been planting perennial flowers for years, so I guess they got tired of flying the quarter mile from the creek to our flowers. Besides pollen, what do they want? We already have water out for the birds, so that's taken care of. We are in southern Wisconsin (a few miles north of the Cheddar Curtain). What kind of flowers will work here? We have (in season) Dicentra- old fashion, yellow corydalis (everblooming, goes March-killing frost) Clematis Peony Hosta Pentsemon Buttercup Coral Bells Solomon Seal Article 32561 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "TRIKER" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Not only do we have brood, we have HATCHING bees! Lines: 30 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:24:59 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.238.131.31 X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1024521912 64.238.131.31 (Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:25:12 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:25:12 EDT Organization: 24hoursupport.com Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:517 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32561 Ruth, hang in there and get a hive. NOVA (PBS) had an excellant show about bee last night. We have had the "killer" bees here in south Texas for about 10 years now, they don't cause much trouble usally attack someone clearing an overgrown lot. They don't seem to be spreading too far north as they are not great honey producers they fail to store enough to overwinter in cold climate. "RPM1" wrote in message news:uh0sc5gp4aui5e@corp.supernews.com... "Don Bruder" > YEEHAW!!!! > Went into the hive today to see what, if anything was developing. Guess > I timed things right, 'cause not only did I find several frames are near > fully drawn, but I was able to see that there were at least 5 little > bee-heeads trying to get out of cells. Yay! What great news! Me, I have ant eggs in our mailbox. That's about it. :-\ My husband was so spooked by a recent show on one of the learning type channels about Africanized bees that I don't think he'll ever let us have a hive here. Too bad. My squash garden could really use the help. Oh well, I love reading the stories and information here. Ruth CM upstate NY Article 32562 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Something new to brood over Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:05:15 -0400 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3D10F356.8B119BC3@charter.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024527917 9536710 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32562 Nectar. "Louis Ohland" wrote in message news:3D10F356.8B119BC3@charter.net... > Besides pollen, what do they want? We already have water out for the > birds, so that's taken care of. Article 32563 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Dancing or digging behavior? Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:29:20 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-236.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32563 I'm a new keeper so I'm not familiar with various bee behaviors. This evening I went out to my two hives (told you I'm new) and noticed that on the bottom board, at the entrance were approximately 20 or so bees doing the same behavior. All of them were moving around quickly as though they were looking for something on the floor and they were moving their front legs rapidly as though they were trying to dig. Both hives were doing this. Any idea what this behavior is? somebody lose a contact lens? Patrick Dugan Article 32564 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Smithfarms 100% Kona Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Smithfarms Kona Coffee Reply-To: webmistress@smithfarms.com Message-ID: <5da2hucfghapco9h5o035rndeor9fe1a6l@4ax.com> References: <3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 39 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:03:30 CDT X-Trace: sv3-21LpK6YAISApX5A76anGvTiEifQlqrDPbWmQEBKvTEl9eVY3duh4zaepFfXRFFcK+FvZZ9wDf+sfFOJ!ZSGdp3Ki5ljwln8WZV02wBP4N2i2A1X0h/FjhDBuk5FHWD6s6oNVJd2toZvHOi8TNfLtadeE0MDp!pov9v5A= X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:03:30 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin4.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154451 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32564 On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:59:02 -0400, "KOland" wrote: snipped...... >Except that the common conception that the flower is already as pollinated >as it will get appears to be incorrect. Hence, the studies now and similar >in the 1950's that show pollinators do improve yield. > >Sorry to hear about your lack of success with tomatoes .. Canned are just >not the same (and forget those hard red balls they sell at stores, those are >not tomatoes). You never have any blossoms that simply drop off, never >producing fruit? Never have a fruit drop after first set? > >"Smithfarms 100% Kona" wrote in message >news:3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com...> > Thank you. Strange things occasionally happen here, though. One year, in our early harvest, a large percentage of the berries did not develop mature seed. We Believe that this was related to extremely dry weather conditions, occurring after flowering. Sometimes the berries will abort, rarely though. The problem with coffee is that it has a propensity to over yield will really stress the tree out. The coffee berries stop developing at that point. So, like in all farming, it depends on the weather. We do have 2 colonies of bees on our farm because we want our plants to be happy. (OT:And for the beekeepers, we have friends who raise queens here and do a good business because we do not have the Africanized bee, so our friends breed their gentle and high-producing queens and send them all over the world.) (BTW very OT, we can grow tomatoes here fine, but the fruit fly always gets them.) with aloha, Cea Smith http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32565 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: beehoney@ua.fm (ANDY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: What is current price of bulk wildflower honey? Date: 19 Jun 2002 23:12:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: <2853c862.0206192212.1bf79c5b@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.76.193.50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024553573 22961 127.0.0.1 (20 Jun 2002 06:12:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2002 06:12:53 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32565 What is current price of bulk wildflower honey in US? I would need to sell about 100000 kg of that this year in 300 liter drums. Can somebody recommend me reliable buyers? Please help. Highly appreciate your time and help, Thanks, Andy Brant beehoney @ ua . fm Article 32566 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <2853c862.0206192212.1bf79c5b@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: What is current price of bulk wildflower honey? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:03:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.197.82 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024556587 67.227.197.82 (Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:03:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 00:03:07 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp1.phx1.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32566 were are you located at? and what would it cost to ship that much to Oregon USA (west coast) "ANDY" wrote in message news:2853c862.0206192212.1bf79c5b@posting.google.com... > What is current price of bulk wildflower honey in US? I would need to > sell about 100000 kg of that this year in 300 liter drums. Can > somebody recommend me reliable buyers? Please help. > > Highly appreciate your time and help, > Thanks, > Andy Brant > beehoney @ ua . fm Article 32567 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@cs.com From: texasdrone@cs.com (Robert Williamson) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 20 Jun 2002 11:46:54 GMT References: <2853c862.0206192212.1bf79c5b@posting.google.com> Organization: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/) Subject: Re: What is current price of bulk wildflower honey? Message-ID: <20020620074654.20758.00001399@mb-bg.news.cs.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.cs.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32567 What is current price of bulk wildflower honey in US? We're getting .85 lb. for amber. Robert Williamson Southeast Texas Honey Co. P.O. Box 176 Vidor, Tx. 77670 www.texasdrone.com " A simple and independent mind does not toil at the bidding of any prince" Article 32568 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: staestc@hotmailNOSPAM.com (Travis n Texas) Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:32:26 GMT Message-ID: <3d0fa613.227181609@news.ev1.net> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 NNTP-Posting-Host: eli-208-187-66-61.ev1.net X-Trace: newsa.ev1.net 1024435844 eli-208-187-66-61.ev1.net (18 Jun 2002 16:30:44 -0500) Lines: 37 X-Authenticated-User: staestc Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!newsa.ev1.net Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154520 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32568 I have no clue on this at all, but it does seem intuitively obvious that even if a plant is "self fertile", that the efficiency of that process could be improved by external factors, like bees. Why would you assume that the self fertilization process is 100% efficient? Travis (just sticking his nose in again where it does not belong) n'Texas On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 16:02:03 GMT, Smithfarms 100% Kona wrote: >On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:54:14 GMT, "The Man" wrote: > >>"(CNN) -- If you're grateful each morning for the tasty, eye-opening buzz >>you get from your coffee, then you might have a "killer" bee to thank. >> >>Coffee plants (coffea arabica) are capable of self-pollination, so for a >>long time researchers did not think insects made much difference to the >>crop. >> >>But studies now show that when Africanized bees (or killer bees) pollinate >>coffee plants, yields can increase by more than 50 percent." >> >>http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/06/14/coolsc.coffee/ >> >If coffee is self fertile, which we farmers believe it is, how could >it be any more fertilised? I just don't get it. With bees or without >bees, it is fertilised. I admit that I see our bees on the flowers, >gathering the nectar, but it is for the bees benefit , I think. >aloha, >Cea Smith > http://www.smithfarms.com > Farmers & Sellers of 100% >Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32569 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Paul Harper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:06:32 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-179-201.in-addr.btopenworld.com X-Trace: paris.btinternet.com 1024592792 9013 213.122.179.201 (20 Jun 2002 17:06:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:06:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32569 It might be a Hornet. There is a Ranger in the New Forest who has a interest in these so if you want further information try them. For the benefit of those over the pond the New Forest was set up by William the Conquer in the 11th century as a hunting preserve for the Kings use. "David G" wrote in message news:3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com... > I say wasp because it must be of that family. It is large - I saw if > flying around the garden, then it came into the house for a few minutes. > Must have come in later since I have found it on the floor. Looks as > though my dog must have killed it. > > Anyway the description (it is not a queen wasp, though probably is of > its variety). It has wasp markings (yellow & black bands), overall it is > about 1.25" long, the head & thorax .5" and the abdomen .75. The wings > are 1" long stretching to the end of the tail. The body is slightly > thicker than a pencil. > > This in the southern UK. > Any ideas on its identification. > > -- > Regards > > DavidG Article 32570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:56:50 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> <7ec141c5.0206190352.2c433cbe@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-72-196.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1024609020 2748 62.11.72.196 (20 Jun 2002 21:37:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2002 21:37:00 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.infostrada.it!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32570 A circuit to said microchip trasponder, it would be very small and proper for the purpose, the transmitting and receiving part the signal rebroadcasted by the microchip would cost very little. You think it you American to build it, or it needs to tell him/it some builder of taiwan ; -) "Duane Rezac" ha scritto nel messaggio news:7ec141c5.0206190352.2c433cbe@posting.google.com... > Steve Newport wrote in message news:<0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com>... > > Or glue on a metallic plate and use a small hand held metal detector. > > > > On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:05:42 GMT, "Wuffman" > > wrote: > > >I was wondering why someone hasn't started marking queens with floresent > > >paint that shows up really bright when you shine a black light on the bees? > > >Id bet there is a flashlight bulb one could get that would work maybe.... > > >Then again thier may be a valid reason someone else thought of why not to > > >try this that I just have not thought of yet.... > > >Brian > > I also raise pygmy goats. The two does we just purchased have been > microchipped - a > small chip in a capsule was injected under the skin. Each chip has > it's own unique id > number, and can be read by a small hand scanner. Something like this > would be possible > if the chip (without the capsule) would be small enought to glue on > the queen - then you > could scan the hive to quickly find the queen. > > > Duane Rezac > drezac@greenapple.com Article 32571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: David G Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Strange Wasp - can anyone identify Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:39:27 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3D12599F.9BDA8DD7@myrealbox.com> References: <3D0C7474.ECB5F94@myrealbox.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-1246.babbelas.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1024612768 2792 62.25.149.222 (20 Jun 2002 22:39:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2002 22:39:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32571 Paul Harper wrote: > > It might be a Hornet. There is a Ranger in the New Forest who has a interest > in these so if you want further information try them. For the benefit of > those over the pond the New Forest was set up by William the Conquer in the > 11th century as a hunting preserve for the Kings use. Thanks. After it was suggested here that it might be a hornet, I looked it up and I am convinced that it what it was. I have never seen one before, but saw another one yesterday - unusual. Also last year had a similar sized one but with a very long thin piece coming out of its tail, which I assume must be an ovipositor. A friend suggest it might be a French wasp - any ideas. -- Regards DavidG Article 32572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Not only do we have brood, we have HATCHING bees! Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:53:42 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: <84n4husiu9g4719t2q1oi5t56ocikh4fiu@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.dorthonion.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1024613445 24933 62.136.157.8 (20 Jun 2002 22:50:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2002 22:50:45 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:518 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32572 Isn't their weakness that they don;t cluster? Down in Texas your winters probably aren't as cold and wet as here in the UK but I believe the lack of clustering is what will prevent the KBees from moving north. On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:24:59 -0500, "TRIKER" wrote: ......... They don't seem to be spreading too far north as they are not great honey producers they fail to store enough to overwinter in cold climate. Article 32573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:58:17 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6dn4hu43m1k7ronqcluitrmegg03h3d1nq@4ax.com> References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> <06bvgu88bafouqhton1g03jrvcth8ndd3a@4ax.com> <3d0fc1dd.695566608@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.dorthonion.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1024613719 24933 62.136.157.8 (20 Jun 2002 22:55:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2002 22:55:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32573 Oh alright then. Inner cover it is. On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:29:41 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:58:34 +0100, Steve Newport > wrote: .....>Not until you call your crown board an inner cover. >beekeep Article 32574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:01:04 +0100 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> <06bvgu88bafouqhton1g03jrvcth8ndd3a@4ax.com> <3d0fc1dd.695566608@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.dorthonion.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1024613886 24933 62.136.157.8 (20 Jun 2002 22:58:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2002 22:58:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32574 Now, now - don't show em we can't count - we'll never live it down. On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:20:18 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >or even four! >Peter Edwards >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk >"Peter Edwards" wrote in >message news:aep7p1$ntk$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... >> Why use three syllables when two will do? Article 32575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:05:27 +0100 Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> <7ec141c5.0206190352.2c433cbe@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.dorthonion.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1024614150 24933 62.136.157.8 (20 Jun 2002 23:02:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2002 23:02:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32575 I love this group. Saw in the news (UK - that's Europe guys) about micro chip inserted into you teeth fillings. Receives data across mobile telephone system and vibration it sets up in the head transmit direct to your brain. Spookey. On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:56:50 +0200, "salvatorebts" wrote: >A circuit to said microchip trasponder, >it would be very small and proper for the purpose, >the transmitting and receiving part the signal rebroadcasted by the microchip would cost very little. >You think it you American to build it, or it needs to tell him/it some builder of taiwan ; -) Article 32576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Argentine ants Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 00:07:24 +0100 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-8.dorthonion.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1024614267 24933 62.136.157.8 (20 Jun 2002 23:04:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 20 Jun 2002 23:04:27 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32576 Tanglefoot? Here in the UK that's a beer. On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:44:08 -0400, "KOland" wrote: >Use a (metal) stand for the hive, with the legs in water or covered in >tanglefoot? >"Oliver Frank" wrote in message >news:aeovm0$bta$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net... >> My large established hives have minimal trouble with argentine ants. >> But my divides on division screens get wiped out. The ants like the >> unprotected brood. >> Any novel ideas or techniques someone can recommend ? Article 32577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Luc Lauzon" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com> <5da2hucfghapco9h5o035rndeor9fe1a6l@4ax.com> Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Lines: 71 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0057_01C2189B.C98DB4E0" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:48:10 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.226.130.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1024620491 209.226.130.116 (Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:48:11 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:48:11 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!torn!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154595 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32577 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C2189B.C98DB4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An other theory point that specialist will explain more precisely :=20 If bees go on the flowers, it is for the nectar, and : (this is why = these coffee flowers benefit from bees : ) =20 the flower will produce nectar as long as the ovary can develop, and = only reduce the nectar production when there are enough eggs fertilized. = If the bees go, it is because they are needed and welcomed. 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------=_NextPart_000_0057_01C2189B.C98DB4E0-- Article 32578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:20:39 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3d127f0e.875056493@news1.radix.net> References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> <06bvgu88bafouqhton1g03jrvcth8ndd3a@4ax.com> <3d0fc1dd.695566608@news1.radix.net> <6dn4hu43m1k7ronqcluitrmegg03h3d1nq@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p6.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32578 On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:58:17 +0100, Steve Newport wrote: >Oh alright then. Inner cover it is. > Now, how about humble bee? 8>) beekeep Article 32579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Argentine ants Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:09:50 -0400 Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024625392 10500707 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32579 Extremely sticky substance, consistency of axle grease. Sold to coat lures to trap insects. Although beer might work, and would drown slugs for those in very wet climates. "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:a0o4hu44j07duve0es2o8phd79ver8m2j8@4ax.com... > Tanglefoot? > Here in the UK that's a beer. Article 32580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Smithfarms 100% Kona Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Organization: Smithfarms Kona Coffee Reply-To: webmistress@smithfarms.com Message-ID: References: <3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com> <5da2hucfghapco9h5o035rndeor9fe1a6l@4ax.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:57:44 CDT X-Trace: sv3-teepqlVc5K0RdoFThEMEAIFoyOIOwbYpQ/1f7sZUsR/LUrM89nUw/2LDlr2VlR58MU1sqyVbCArXt9Q!Ua4QfC9NUKfLRODxXYSKJmUVUAgAbmfv+G92rmW4tCHpxn5IhGrEp7+FF/EfxUhc33XSRv3HxM8G!Cj0APA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@GigaNews.Com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 03:57:44 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154633 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32580 On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:48:10 -0400, "Luc Lauzon" wrote: >An other theory point that specialist will explain more precisely : > >If bees go on the flowers, it is for the nectar, and : (this is why these coffee flowers benefit from bees : ) > >the flower will produce nectar as long as the ovary can develop, and only reduce the nectar production when there are enough eggs fertilized. > >If the bees go, it is because they are needed and welcomed. > >When they stop going, because the nectar is not available anymore, you will know that fertilisation is finished. Then, the best seeds are to be picked and planted (following Mother Nature's laws) at the end of the cycle or harvested at the desired quality. > > Coffee flowers last only one day/ produce nectar one day and then they start to wither. aloha from near the rain forest http://www.smithfarms.com Farmers & Sellers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D129E64.C20EE6F9@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: sugar water References: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 29 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:07:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.68 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc01.gnilink.net 1024639633 67.251.117.68 (Fri, 21 Jun 2002 02:07:13 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 02:07:13 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc01.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32581 Wuffman wrote: > How many cups of sugar are in a lb? I bought a 25# bag yeasterday and I > want to make up a large batch I also got me a case of new quart canning > jars and will fill them up and put the lid and rings on them and back in > their box so all I have to do when I need one is swap lids.... > > Brian, A 5# bag of sugar is 10 cups, so I guess that's 2 cups to a pound. If you start with the sugar, and then add enough boiling water to make a quart (gallon, etc.) of syrup, you will have thicker syrup. If you start with a gallon of water and then add sugar, it's hard to figure. I put five pounds of sugar in a gallon jar and then add enough boiling water to finish filling the jar. Or I guess that you could use one cup of sugar to every cup of water and keep on until you figure just how much it takes for your particular container and start with the correct amount of sugar before adding the boiling water. Louise Western North Carolina, USA -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 32582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> <3D129E64.C20EE6F9@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Re: sugar water Lines: 54 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:34:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.183.55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024648489 67.227.183.55 (Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:34:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 01:34:49 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32582 yah.. I was adding sugar to the boiling water and boiloing it for a minute or 2wo wile constantly stirring it cause I notice several jars of the first batch had sugar crystalizin on the inside of the lid and the bees could not get all the sugar water out of the jar but when I boiled it and stirewd wile it was boiling so it would not burn It does not do this... I wonder if there is a differnace in beet sugar and cane sugar... We have lots of beet farms around here that are grown for that reason.... but I have my formula now 1 quart water to 4 cups sugar 1 gallon water is 16 cups sugar... or 5 lbs sugar to 1 gallon 1 pint water.... etc etc Brian "Louise Adderholdt" wrote in message news:3D129E64.C20EE6F9@atlas.localdomain... > Wuffman wrote: > > > How many cups of sugar are in a lb? I bought a 25# bag yeasterday and I > > want to make up a large batch I also got me a case of new quart canning > > jars and will fill them up and put the lid and rings on them and back in > > their box so all I have to do when I need one is swap lids.... > > > > > > Brian, > > A 5# bag of sugar is 10 cups, so I guess that's 2 cups to a pound. If > you start with the sugar, and then add enough boiling water to make a > quart (gallon, etc.) of syrup, you will have thicker syrup. If you start > with a gallon of water and then add sugar, it's hard to figure. I put > five pounds of sugar in a gallon jar and then add enough boiling water > to finish filling the jar. Or I guess that you could use one cup of > sugar to every cup of water and keep on until you figure just how much > it takes for your particular container and start with the correct amount > of sugar before adding the boiling water. > > Louise > Western North Carolina, USA > -- > Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of > any > n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to > condemn > | a whole people. --William Penn > Article 32583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 3 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: potents@aol.com (POTENTS) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 21 Jun 2002 12:01:33 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Subject: jenter or cupkit problems Message-ID: <20020621080133.22702.00001519@mb-fq.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32583 i have a problem. the queen lays up the cupkit ok, but when i check in a couple of days time the eggs have gone. any suggestions? Article 32584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:40:52 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> <06bvgu88bafouqhton1g03jrvcth8ndd3a@4ax.com> <3d0fc1dd.695566608@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-824.stoked.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1024688066 8487 62.25.191.56 (21 Jun 2002 19:34:26 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 2002 19:34:26 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32584 It was a bit early - and I did realise it as soon as I pressed send! -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:jhn4hugbkunfjs102es32dp15gdmivm5ka@4ax.com... > Now, now - don't show em we can't count - we'll never live it down. > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 07:20:18 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > >or even four! > >Peter Edwards > >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > >"Peter Edwards" wrote in > >message news:aep7p1$ntk$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk... > >> Why use three syllables when two will do? Article 32585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Where are you from ? Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:43:27 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <700de225.0206151249.675e5e43@posting.google.com> <3d0c57e7.471848775@news1.radix.net> <06bvgu88bafouqhton1g03jrvcth8ndd3a@4ax.com> <3d0fc1dd.695566608@news1.radix.net> <6dn4hu43m1k7ronqcluitrmegg03h3d1nq@4ax.com> <3d127f0e.875056493@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-953.bulbasaur.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1024697979 9298 217.135.50.185 (21 Jun 2002 22:19:39 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 2002 22:19:39 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32585 That is the olde English name, so no problem there! -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d127f0e.875056493@news1.radix.net... > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:58:17 +0100, Steve Newport > wrote: > > >Oh alright then. Inner cover it is. > > > Now, how about humble bee? 8>) > > beekeep > > Article 32586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Maren Purves Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:37:48 -1000 Organization: Joint Astronomy Centre, Hilo, HI Lines: 34 Message-ID: <3D13B8CC.2AAD@jach.hawaii.edu> References: <3cb1hu4n19k9qtuu86bhfjgt9tsvb6fht3@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eluahaneli.jach.hawaii.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.hawaii.edu 1024702668 18622 128.171.90.200 (21 Jun 2002 23:37:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@hawaii.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: 21 Jun 2002 23:37:48 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.hawaii.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:154760 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32586 Smithfarms 100% Kona wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 09:34:58 -0400, "KOland" > wrote: > >The article explains that exactly the same thing happens with coffee -- the > >presence of a pollinator improves pollination enough that yield is affected. > >It doesn't say whether it is an economical change (cost of pollinators, will > >you have to fertilize more due to increased yields, etc). If, however, it > >improves the quality of the yield (larger beans, rather than just more and > >possibly smaller ones), it would be a competitive edge for those selling > >specialty coffee beans. > > > >K. Oland -- coffee drinker and all for improving quality. > Aloha, I am sorry to want to go further but explain what is wrong > with my high school biology memory- and lots could be wrong . > If a coffee flower is fertilised upon opening, and the cells begin to > divide at that moment, introducing a bee any moment afterwards, will > not change those cells from continuing to multiply and divide. > Pollination by a bee will not improve the action already taking place. > Correct? > Unlike the kind explanation about tomatoes (which we can not grow here > successfully because of the fruit fly) we do not have misshapen > coffee beans or empty beans etc.. The flower is fertilised upon > opening. From the other side of the same island : we had coffee when we only had one coffee tree, so it is clearly self fertile (i.e not self sterile, like e.g. yellow lilikoi - passion fruit for thos not in Hawaii), but we do have empty beans on occasion in Hilo. I don't know what does the pollination, but we have a lot of carpenter bees around, and some honey bees. Don't know whether coffee is usually wind pollinated. Maren, in Hilo. Article 32587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: Billy Smart Subject: Re: Not only do we have brood, we have HATCHING bees! X-Nntp-Posting-Host: rs498032.ks.boeing.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <3D149479.2254BDB@boeing.com> Sender: nntp@news.boeing.com (Boeing NNTP News Access) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: The Boeing Company X-Accept-Language: en References: <84n4husiu9g4719t2q1oi5t56ocikh4fiu@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 15:15:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; AIX 4.3) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com!usenetserver.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!sea-feed.news.verio.net!xyzzy!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:519 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32587 Maybe they will migrate further North now with the warming global climate? Billy Smart Rock, KS Steve Newport wrote: > > Isn't their weakness that they don;t cluster? Down in Texas your > winters probably aren't as cold and wet as here in the UK but I > believe the lack of clustering is what will prevent the KBees from > moving north. > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:24:59 -0500, "TRIKER" wrote: > ......... They don't seem to be spreading too far north as they are > not great honey producers they fail to store enough to overwinter in > cold climate. Article 32588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <84n4husiu9g4719t2q1oi5t56ocikh4fiu@4ax.com> <3D149479.2254BDB@boeing.com> Subject: Re: Not only do we have brood, we have HATCHING bees! Lines: 27 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 19:41:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.219.86 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1024774902 67.227.219.86 (Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:41:42 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 12:41:42 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:520 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32588 Naw, even killer bees aren't as dumb as the enviromentalist are..... "Billy Smart" wrote in message news:3D149479.2254BDB@boeing.com... > Maybe they will migrate further North now with the warming global > climate? > > Billy Smart > Rock, KS > > > Steve Newport wrote: > > > > Isn't their weakness that they don;t cluster? Down in Texas your > > winters probably aren't as cold and wet as here in the UK but I > > believe the lack of clustering is what will prevent the KBees from > > moving north. > > > > On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:24:59 -0500, "TRIKER" wrote: > > ......... They don't seem to be spreading too far north as they are > > not great honey producers they fail to store enough to overwinter in > > cold climate. > Article 32589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees Wax Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:30:33 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.147 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1024777368 144.134.81.147 (Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:22:48 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 06:22:48 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!gitoyen!deine.net!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32589 G, Day Folks, Which method would you recommend for melting wax. I have several blocks about a kilo each. Thanks Perry Queensland Australia) Article 32590 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 22 Jun 2002 23:02:23 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Bees Wax Message-ID: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32590 Float a bowl on water in a crock pot. Or any kind of double boiler. Article 32591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jorn Johanesson" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bees Wax Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 02:02:52 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3d15102a$0$71612$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Internet NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.249.242.94 X-Trace: 1024790571 dread05.news.tele.dk 71612 195.249.242.94 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.162.153.118!news.tele.dk!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32591 But be sure that the pot coming in contact with wax is either stainless steel or treated with enamel -- Best regards Jorn Johanesson Multilingual software for beekeeping since 1997 hive note- queen breeding and handheld computer beekeeping software updated 11-06-2002 Added grouping and colouring of hives + a lot more. all you need and a little more. being a little beekeeper or a big queen breeder, nearly full configurable free of charge up to 10 hives. Language added : Dutch, Portuguese, French, Russian, Spanish home page = HTTP://apimo.dk e-mail Jorn_Johanesson@apimo.dk Article 32592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jose Matas" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Argentine ants Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:17:57 +0200 Lines: 46 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.132 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.159.132 Message-ID: <3d155a24$1@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1024809508 212.166.159.132 (23 Jun 2002 07:18:28 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32592 The can has to be the smallest possible, if not they will become a bee-trap, eventaully will become full of dead bees. As per motor oil.... is a no-no. Some trace will be found in the honey. Keep away all contaminants from the hive. The best is soybean oil it does not evaporate like the water, it stays for months. You should place a stone to protect the cans from wrong landings, so bees does not land in the pot, to them it means death. As per remedies all studies go Crithmum maritimum (samphire) is a strong ant repelent.... Best wishes from Mallorca, Spain Jose Matas. "Jerome R. Long" escribió en el mensaje news:aeqgcg$e69$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu... > In article , koland@staffingtech.com > says... > > > >Use a (metal) stand for the hive, with the legs in water or covered in > >tanglefoot? > > > I have built low platforms for my hives with treated 2X4 legs that sit > in coffee cans filled with old motor oil. Water is a no no as each can > will become a mosquito farm. > > >"Oliver Frank" wrote in message > >news:aeovm0$bta$1@slb5.atl.mindspring.net... > >> My large established hives have minimal trouble with argentine ants. > >> But my divides on division screens get wiped out. The ants like the > >> unprotected brood. > >> > >> Any novel ideas or techniques someone can recommend ? > >> > > > > > Article 32593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Wax Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> <3d15102a$0$71612$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 32 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:04:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.230 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1024819480 209.204.149.230 (Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:04:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 01:04:40 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32593 In article <3d15102a$0$71612$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk>, "Jorn Johanesson" wrote: > But be sure that the pot coming in contact with wax is either stainless > steel or treated with enamel OK... I'll prove I'm a rookie by asking "why?" Something magic about those two materials in relation to wax? Ease of cleanup? Absence of contamination? Other? Why isn't a plain old aluminum pan, or even aluminum with a teflon coating, good enough? What about copper vessels? (I *THINK* I know where I can put my hands on a few [VERY few - 2 or 3 at the most] solid copper kettles with AT LEAST a 20 gallon liquid capacity at a pretty good price - why shouldn't I use them for wax if I actually CAN get them for as cheap as I think I can?) Or, assuming one has/can get such an item in a size large enough to be useful, why not a glass/pyrex container? I'd tend to stay away from cast iron vessels due to the porous nature of the metal, which would tend to make cleanup a major nightmare unless you dedicated them solely to wax-melting, but is there some other fact I don't know that rules it out? I know, I know... Stupid rookie questions... So answer 'em and help me stop being a rookie :) None of my reading so far (and I have to admit that it hardly qualifies as "extensive" yet) addresses the issue of what material a melt-pot should be, in any way. Unless you count "flat black paint" when discussing the build-it-yourself solar melters... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Wax Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 07:52:40 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVacEwHJma67PFpOHh0MTOE6GCXJagwIB5SPEqknet8DkoTDNJUzT9de X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jun 2002 12:53:21 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32594 > Float a bowl on water in a crock pot. Or, take that crock pot that just sits in the closet and never gets used, and make it yours, just for this purpose. If the wax is already clean, put just the wax in the pot and melt. If it needs to be cleaned, add some water with the wax and heat. The impurities will settle out into the water and leave the wax clean. -Barry Article 32595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3d0cd835$0$22968$91cee783@newsreader02.highway.telekom.at> <3D129E64.C20EE6F9@atlas.localdomain> Subject: Sugar Water & Honey Feeding Lines: 48 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:01:49 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:14:25 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-hog.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!newsfeeds-atl2!pc01.atl2.usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32595 It is a little late to be feeding bees sugar this year isn't it? We don't want to stimulate her majesty into laying- she's slowed down for the year, already has most of her workers in the Northern Hemisphere- don't want extra mouths to eat up the feed supers- and with El/La Nina here, most of us have to feed heavily due to the winters now - the old "3 months Per Season" rule is out the door, with extremes the norm now. So let's use the info for next year, and now's the time to talk about feeding honey NEXT year. Most sugar is indeed beet sugar, unless marked "pure cane sugar"... it is the sugarbeet root that is transformed, not the dark red kind, cane is old-school to the modern agro-world. The difference to the bees in minimal, with beets having some more minerals in it (unless purified out). I save honey most years to feed back to the same hive next year- freezing the honey stops crystallization and spore growth. In the spring, invert the quart jars with holes pricked in the lids, and you're ready to go... I think the bees deserve a bit of a kick, after all they have to bring alot of water into the hive to transform the sugar into honey, and some colonies seem to detest strong sugar mixes, actually crystallizing it in the hive and removing it from the hive... it looks like rock salt in front of the hive when it happens. Rare, but they have their tastes too. I also save crystallized quarts (there are usually some somewhere in your house!) to give to them, they won't gorge themselves and can re-constitute it into the cells. *** Most importantly to this issue, young bees are needed to create honey as they have the active glands to produce the nectar-honey conversion enzymes- older/foragers have worn-out glands. In the spring when you are trying to build up population, the young bees aren't there yet, and the conversion uses up valuable colony beepower trying to "work" the sugar. I like to spread the wealth, save a quart or two per hive and supplement the sugar feedings with honey! Diluting honey can work, but you must be careful w/fermentation (honey's high osmotic pressure preserves it, thin it and spores can grow unchecked)... if a colony doesn't seem to be able to consume the thinned honey, give it to another colony that will... another argument for having multiplte hives per yard, there is so much variance. I've had hives that looked to be the strongest in the yard, and in the late winter, they lose out on spring-prep to another colony- honey feeding can help them best. cheers to all Britt Article 32596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> Subject: Honey Jars Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:08:12 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:20:47 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!btnet-peer!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds-atl2!pc01.atl2.usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32596 When you dry whatever you are going to use, be aware that cotton fibers cause early crystallization- the dishwasher is what I like for that reason- I use a borax/TSP mixture w/no rinse agent- don't want the smell/contamination of some chemists smell-good additive. Shamless Promotion (though I don't care about the store)- Big Lots has cases of Mason Jars for a good price, my friend buys over 100 cases (of 12) and they gave him an additional 25% off... they are between $5 and $6 a case, all sizes available... he turned me onto them, has been using them (Big Lots) for years for this. Just thought you all would like to know, makes gifting easier too (I like to give mine away to friends/neighbors) by keeping your cost down. Happy Extracting, Everybody! Britt Article 32597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Britt Childress" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020607130308.26460.00000147@mb-cb.aol.com> Subject: Re: Mason Jars Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:16:04 EDT Organization: WEBUSENET.com Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:28:39 -0400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!oleane.net!oleane!isdnet!btnet-peer1!btnet!newsfeeds-atl2!pc01.atl2.usenetserver.com!e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32597 Big Lots gives a deal if you ask for it... my friend buys over 100 cases of 12 @ about $5.50, then they give him another 25% off that... talk to the store manager, and bee nice! Britt Article 32598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jack Denver" Newsgroups: alt.coffee,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: 'Killer' bees make killer coffee Lines: 35 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-GC-Trace: gv1-cl6GLXj/DNtBpPd0DZVbAwSS9Dp4A5MQf39Cgc= Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:34:17 CDT Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing X-Trace: sv3-jcNtO3rih9kdXC/PQoo61ohG2o6p9YmZkjsLE72LItlotS7yDU0yYCQpT4h0mkYVXvGMNKc9EbCpXb+!qrLu6dD4RfKE7fFqs09exduv8pSKRtn86zbZbaMd4ujdKGXtBmtcSiBvk6LGZeAF9utAYZntGlR5!sQW9DXoYHOobg8enGlE= X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.com X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 18:34:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer2.newshosting.com!nntp2.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!bin8.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.coffee:155033 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32598 According to one of the articles I read, cross pollination gives better production because the seeds now contain genes from another plant...sexual reproduction has evolutionary advantages over asexual because the more diverse gene pool (of the seed in this case) is more likely to contain genes that protect against diseases, etc. "Smithfarms 100% Kona" wrote in message news:v9muguk3u2sbpgokguosvferkt6km8co1p@4ax.com... > On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 16:54:14 GMT, "The Man" wrote: > > >"(CNN) -- If you're grateful each morning for the tasty, eye-opening buzz > >you get from your coffee, then you might have a "killer" bee to thank. > > > >Coffee plants (coffea arabica) are capable of self-pollination, so for a > >long time researchers did not think insects made much difference to the > >crop. > > > >But studies now show that when Africanized bees (or killer bees) pollinate > >coffee plants, yields can increase by more than 50 percent." > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/06/14/coolsc.coffee/ > > > If coffee is self fertile, which we farmers believe it is, how could > it be any more fertilised? I just don't get it. With bees or without > bees, it is fertilised. I admit that I see our bees on the flowers, > gathering the nectar, but it is for the bees benefit , I think. > aloha, > Cea Smith > http://www.smithfarms.com > Farmers & Sellers of 100% > Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff! Article 32599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> Subject: Re: Bees Wax Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:53:12 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.201 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1024865124 144.134.81.201 (Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:45:24 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:45:24 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!teaser.fr!deine.net!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32599 G,day folks, Thank you for the information Malcolm "Barry Birkey" wrote in message news:B93B2EC7.B859%barry@birkey.com... > > > Float a bowl on water in a crock pot. > > Or, take that crock pot that just sits in the closet and never gets used, > and make it yours, just for this purpose. If the wax is already clean, put > just the wax in the pot and melt. If it needs to be cleaned, add some water > with the wax and heat. The impurities will settle out into the water and > leave the wax clean. > > -Barry > Article 32600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Beekeeping Video Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <6uqR8.19511$Hj3.61013@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:55:50 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.201 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1024865282 144.134.81.201 (Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:48:02 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 06:48:02 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.berkeley.edu!ucberkeley!intgwpad.nntp.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32600 G,day folks, I have tried to obtain a video on beekeeping, have there been any made as I just can't find any? Thanks Malcolm. Article 32601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Van Dijk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey for young kids Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:51:47 +0200 Organization: Planet Internet Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ipd54b73cb.free.wxs.nl X-Trace: reader07.wxs.nl 1024870023 20905 213.75.115.203 (23 Jun 2002 22:07:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@planet.nl NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jun 2002 22:07:03 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!195.54.122.107!newsfeed1.bredband.com!bredband!news01.chello.se!amsnews01.chello.com!newsfeed.wxs.nl!news.wxs.nl!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32601 Dear NG, This week in the newspaper there was an article with a warning: do not give honey to young kids < 1 yr. Honey can be infected by botulism. Does anyone knows more about it? John Article 32602 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey for young kids Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:21:21 +0100 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-446.charmeleon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1024870878 25013 217.135.80.190 (23 Jun 2002 22:21:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jun 2002 22:21:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32602 If you search the web you will find plenty of info, e.g. http://www.nutriwatch.org/06FST/honey.html Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Van Dijk" wrote in message news:af5gq7$kd9$2@reader07.wxs.nl... > Dear NG, > This week in the newspaper there was an article with a warning: do not give > honey to young kids < 1 yr. Honey can be infected by botulism. Does anyone > knows more about it? > John > > > Article 32603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey in SE UK Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 00:02:33 +0100 Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-38.ar-sakalthur.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1024873171 25368 62.136.127.166 (23 Jun 2002 22:59:31 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 23 Jun 2002 22:59:31 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!easynet-monga!easynet.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32603 Does anybody have honey to wholesale in the South East UK? Please email me direct Article 32604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Wax Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:51:06 -0400 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> <3d15102a$0$71612$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024883468 12257283 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32604 Aluminum and copper can react with wax or honey Pyrex is fine, but extremely large ones are scarce around here. You can get a 3 pot stainless steel set for $15 to $20 at most Target/KMart/Walmart/Kohl stores. Sit the medium one inside the big one and you have an instant double boiler. Once used for wax, you should not count on ever getting it truly clean. And NEVER dump any of it down the sink or clean it there (use crumbled wax paper to wipe out excess instead) .... just think a minute or two about what that wax would do inside your drain when it cools if you manage to clean it in the sink with hot water. "Don Bruder" wrote > Something magic about those two materials in relation to wax? Ease of > cleanup? Absence of contamination? Other? Why isn't a plain old aluminum > pan, or even aluminum with a teflon coating, good enough? What about > copper vessels? Article 32605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:11:03 -0400 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024884665 12263634 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32605 If you are doing that quantity, order them from someone like brushy mountain .. if you have one even halfway close, drive over and pick them up .. cheaper per jar and save on freight and tax. Plastic is about 1/2 the price of the glass jars at big lots and your customers/friends don't break as many. "Britt Childress" . > Shamless Promotion (though I don't care about the store)- Big Lots has > cases of Mason Jars for a good price, my friend buys over 100 cases (of 12) > and they gave him an additional 25% off... they are between $5 and $6 a > case, all sizes available... he turned me onto them, has been using them > (Big Lots) for years for this Article 32606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey for young kids Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:15:10 -0400 Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024884912 12572617 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32606 children under 1 (esp those still on the bottle/not weaned) shouldn't eat raw food at all, their body can't fight botulism from any source (while adults never notice it much, spores get killed in our stomaches by acid). Of course, I also can't see why you would need to be feeding anyone that small sweetened foods, unless you really want them started on the road to diabetes early. "Van Dijk" wrote in message news:af5gq7$kd9$2@reader07.wxs.nl... > Dear NG, > This week in the newspaper there was an article with a warning: do not give > honey to young kids < 1 yr. Honey can be infected by botulism. Does anyone > knows more about it? > John > > > Article 32607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bees & apple trees From: Dave Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 Lines: 8 NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.128.54.17 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: sccrnsc01 1024885407 24.128.54.17 (Mon, 24 Jun 2002 02:23:27 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 02:23:27 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 02:23:27 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.203!attbi_feed3!attbi.com!sccrnsc01.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32607 Hi all, Here in New Hampshire the apple trees blooms have come and gone. Tonight I was out and looked at the apple tree and was supprised to it being visited by so many bees. Question, since there are no blooms on it, what are they getting out of it? Thanks in advance. Dave Article 32608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Wax Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> <3d15102a$0$71612$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 59 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 05:28:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.241 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1024896539 209.204.149.241 (Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:28:59 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 22:28:59 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32608 In article , "KOland" wrote: > Aluminum and copper can react with wax or honey Hmmm... interesting. I was under the impression that wax in general, and beeswax in particular, was pretty much chemically inert. Seems to me I even recall something about beeswax plugs and/or seals being the only *REALLY* safe way of capping certain chemicals. Then again, it's been YEARS since I put my chemistry knowledge to use, so it's quite possible I'm managing to mash bits and pieces of data together that aren't related to each other in any way... The only ways I'm *CERTAIN* of that will give you any kind of chemical reaction out of beeswax are oxidation, and the same process that turns tallow/grease into soap: saponification. Oxidation (AKA burning) is a constant hazard when working with hot wax of any type, but saponification takes a combination of heat (definitely present in a melting operation, but is it enough?) and the presence of a goodly quantity of a rather dangerously strong base (Lye, AKA Caustic Soda, is what typically gets used). Neither metallic aluminum or copper are sources of a strong enough base, to my knowledge. At least, not without some other relatively exotic ingredients, and deliberate preparation to go with them. The closest I can think of to be "useful" would be aluminum hydroxide, which would need some fairly serious effort, and a deliberate undertaking, to produce from an aluminum pan in any significant quantity, or sufficient strength. Perhaps there are other reactions that can go on that I've simply never had a chance to encounter, or a reason to research. > Pyrex is fine, but extremely large ones are scarce around here. Yeah, big pyrex is always scarce/expensive. > You can get a 3 pot stainless steel set for $15 to $20 at most > Target/KMart/Walmart/Kohl stores. Sit the medium one inside the big one and > you have an instant double boiler. > > Once used for wax, you should not count on ever getting it truly clean. Yep, kinda figured that much :) > And NEVER dump any of it down the sink or clean it there (use > crumbled wax paper to wipe out excess instead) .... just think a > minute or two about what that wax would do inside your drain when it > cools if you manage to clean it in the sink with hot water. Heh... Anybody that's got more than two brain-cells knocking around in their skull should be able to figure *THAT* one out. Then again, these days, the saying "Common sense ain't" is *ENTIRELY* too true... Just look at the "Warning: Contents may be hot" tag on the side of your McDonald's coffee cup for proof of that... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "KOland" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Wax Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 02:05:01 -0400 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> <3d15102a$0$71612$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.111.26.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1024898703 12338546 216.111.26.43 (16 [89397]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!216.111.26.43!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32609 http://ag.udel.edu/extension/information/beekeeping/beeswax.htm "The most common reasons wax darkens are contamination with propolis, which bees use in their hives to smooth rough surfaces or seal cracks, and darkening from contact with containers of iron, aluminum, copper and some other metals. It is fairly difficult to try to lighten wax that has been contaminated or has been darkened through contact with an improper metal." I'm sure there are other references as well. I have used aluminum foil or pans for cooling wax, but I'm sure that something like a non-stick bread pan would be better. "Don Bruder" .. > Hmmm... interesting. I was under the impression that wax in general, and > beeswax in particular, was pretty much chemically inert. Seems to me I > even recall something about beeswax plugs and/or seals being the only > *REALLY* safe way of capping certain chemicals. Then again, it's been > YEARS since I put my chemistry knowledge to use, so it's quite possible > I'm managing to mash bits and pieces of data together that aren't > related to each other in any way Article 32610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 9 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Jun 2002 13:26:37 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey for young kids Message-ID: <20020624092637.21360.00000350@mb-me.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32610 Children under 1 year of age should be ingesting nothing but mothers milk but the formula and baby food industry has a better lobby. I make it a point to never sell infants a jar of honey. Article 32611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Bumble Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:04:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: BT Openworld Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <1cfa704.0206111812.6f7da32d@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: host213-122-142-179.in-addr.btopenworld.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: helle.btinternet.com 1024931064 17787 213.122.142.179 (24 Jun 2002 15:04:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news-complaints@lists.btinternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:04:24 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!btnet-peer0!btnet-feed5!btnet!news.btopenworld.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32611 What is a borax/TSP mixture? I know borax but TSP has me stumped? > From: "Britt Childress" > Organization: WEBUSENET.com > Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 11:20:47 -0400 > Subject: Honey Jars > > When you dry whatever you are going to use, be aware that cotton fibers > cause early crystallization- the dishwasher is what I like for that reason- > I use a borax/TSP mixture w/no rinse agent- don't want the > smell/contamination of some chemists smell-good additive. > > Shamless Promotion (though I don't care about the store)- Big Lots has > cases of Mason Jars for a good price, my friend buys over 100 cases (of 12) > and they gave him an additional 25% off... they are between $5 and $6 a > case, all sizes available... he turned me onto them, has been using them > (Big Lots) for years for this. > > Just thought you all would like to know, makes gifting easier too (I like > to give mine away to friends/neighbors) by keeping your cost down. > > Happy Extracting, Everybody! > > Britt > > > > > Article 32612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Wax Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> <3d15102a$0$71612$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6GHR8.6525$54.17687@typhoon.sonic.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:21:22 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.195 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1024935682 209.204.149.195 (Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:21:22 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:21:22 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32612 In article , "KOland" wrote: > http://ag.udel.edu/extension/information/beekeeping/beeswax.htm > > "The most common reasons wax darkens are contamination with propolis, which > bees use in their hives to smooth rough surfaces or seal cracks, and > darkening from contact with containers of iron, aluminum, copper and some > other metals. It is fairly difficult to try to lighten wax that has been > contaminated or has been darkened through contact with an improper metal." OK, I can swallow that, I guess. I'm still left curious about the mechanism involved, though. Something as close to chemically inert as I understand beeswax to be would seem to be "immune" to that sort of problem. But apparently, it isn't... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "john.ford4" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6uqR8.19511$Hj3.61013@newsfeeds.bigpond.com> Subject: Re: Beekeeping Video Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <3eIR8.2780$k_6.94816@newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:52:56 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.4.128.115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net 1024937983 80.4.128.115 (Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:59:43 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:59:43 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stueberl.de!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!newsfep1-win.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32613 Try Thornes (www.thorne.co.uk) - they certainly sell them and will probably do some sort of loan deal. They have branches at several locations in the UK and I have found them to quite helpful when I have had to ask foolish question! Hope this helps, John "Malcolm Perrement" wrote in message news:6uqR8.19511$Hj3.61013@newsfeeds.bigpond.com... > G,day folks, > I have tried to obtain a video on beekeeping, have there been any made as I > just can't find any? > Thanks > Malcolm. > > Article 32614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 24 Jun 2002 17:40:05 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey Jars Message-ID: <20020624134005.01586.00000707@mb-cl.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32614 TSP Trisodium Phosphate Article 32615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Wax Date: 24 Jun 2002 15:03:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0206241403.23a8a968@posting.google.com> References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.113.47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1024956216 17758 127.0.0.1 (24 Jun 2002 22:03:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 24 Jun 2002 22:03:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32615 "Malcolm Perrement" wrote in message news:... > G,day folks, > Thank you for the information > Malcolm > "Barry Birkey" wrote in message > news:B93B2EC7.B859%barry@birkey.com... > > > > > Float a bowl on water in a crock pot. > > > > Or, take that crock pot that just sits in the closet and never gets used, > > and make it yours, just for this purpose. If the wax is already clean, put > > just the wax in the pot and melt. If it needs to be cleaned, add some > water > > with the wax and heat. The impurities will settle out into the water and > > leave the wax clean. > > > > -Barry > I use aluminium pots and i have no trouble with melting wax. I use a small pot floating inside a warm one with water in it, then pour it through a double thickness pair of tights, that cleans it up a treat. If you want to know more then get Ron Browns book on wax. albert Article 32616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Wax Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:04:32 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> <3d15102a$0$71612$edfadb0f@dspool01.news.tele.dk> <6GHR8.6525$54.17687@typhoon.sonic.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 47 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!DirecTVinternet!DirecTV-DSL!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32616 Well, I don't know about "inert", since I've heard that beeswax is mildly acidic. If it is, it would tend to etch either copper or aluminum, and the trace metal would end up in the wax and potentially discolor it. Stainless isn't very affected by mild acids, but it is to strong alkalines and chlorinated compounds (bleach will eat right through a ss vessel in a few days). If yuo want a (relatively) cheap, large, high quality stainless steel pot, go rent yourself a half keg of beer, throw a party, and then don't return the empty. You will forfeit the deposit, but with a little cutting, end up with a nice 7.5 gallon pot. Or look for a homebrewer who has had enough of that hobby and get one pre-cut and with a grant (valve) on the bottom. Some even have ss false bottoms if they were used for mashing. While your at it, get their fermentation gear and make mead....... "Don Bruder" wrote in message news:6GHR8.6525$54.17687@typhoon.sonic.net... > In article , > "KOland" wrote: > > > http://ag.udel.edu/extension/information/beekeeping/beeswax.htm > > > > "The most common reasons wax darkens are contamination with propolis, which > > bees use in their hives to smooth rough surfaces or seal cracks, and > > darkening from contact with containers of iron, aluminum, copper and some > > other metals. It is fairly difficult to try to lighten wax that has been > > contaminated or has been darkened through contact with an improper metal." > > OK, I can swallow that, I guess. I'm still left curious about the > mechanism involved, though. Something as close to chemically inert as I > understand beeswax to be would seem to be "immune" to that sort of > problem. But apparently, it isn't... > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are > now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dancing or digging behavior? Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:07:40 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 29 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32617 it's called "washboarding", and there seems to be a lot of debate as to wether it means anything (as in pre-swarm) or nothing (as in one has a fiddle and is calling the line). Most agree it's fun to watch. "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:aer7lq$g3o$1@ins22.netins.net... > I'm a new keeper so I'm not familiar with various bee behaviors. > > This evening I went out to my two hives (told you I'm new) and noticed that > on the bottom board, at the entrance were approximately 20 or so bees doing > the same behavior. All of them were moving around quickly as though they > were looking for something on the floor and they were moving their front > legs rapidly as though they were trying to dig. Both hives were doing this. > Any idea what this behavior is? somebody lose a contact lens? > > Patrick Dugan > > > > Article 32618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 22:09:38 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <20020624134005.01586.00000707@mb-cl.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32618 aka wood bleach "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020624134005.01586.00000707@mb-cl.aol.com... > TSP Trisodium Phosphate > > > > > > Article 32619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Wax Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:13:16 -0500 Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> <4169b71c.0206241403.23a8a968@posting.google.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVZO8UxVK5J/ZQE+wK4cPVwuQDtOdXrg7pgHiP8OQFnJ4QVuW+tnnIQ9 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 2002 02:13:57 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32619 > I use aluminium pots and i have no trouble with melting wax. I, too, have used a large (12-16 qt.) aluminum pot for wax rendering with no apparent problems. I always fill it half way with water first and then throw in the wax, melt, ladle off the wax. To get it even cleaner, I then do the same thing using a crock pot or the aluminum pot, depending on the amount rendering. -Barry Article 32620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 25 Jun 2002 13:49:34 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Honey Jars Message-ID: <20020625094934.15028.00000016@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32620 >aka wood bleach > NO WRONG Wood bleach is Oxalic Acid. Article 32621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in SE UK Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:49:37 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2879.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1025027183 1493 217.134.107.63 (25 Jun 2002 17:46:23 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 2002 17:46:23 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32621 Honey to sell! Now there's a wish.... I'd be happy if my bees had any honey - at all - they'd collected. June gap? June chasm more like. Peter Hearnden Dartmoor foothills Devon Still hoping July will be warm :) "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:jrkchucv127a7fdm57vi0jh07ql8jf793b@4ax.com... > Does anybody have honey to wholesale in the South East UK? > > Please email me direct Article 32622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees Wax Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:23:34 +0100 Lines: 18 Message-ID: References: <20020622190223.21291.00000194@mb-me.aol.com> <4169b71c.0206241403.23a8a968@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.dungortheb.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1025036432 29655 62.136.160.19 (25 Jun 2002 20:20:32 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 2002 20:20:32 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32622 Couple of years ago I built my own solar wax extractor. They tray is over 2 feet square to handle loads of frames at a time. Its aluminium. Never had a problem? On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 21:13:16 -0500, Barry Birkey wrote: > >> I use aluminium pots and i have no trouble with melting wax. > >I, too, have used a large (12-16 qt.) aluminum pot for wax rendering with no >apparent problems. I always fill it half way with water first and then throw >in the wax, melt, ladle off the wax. To get it even cleaner, I then do the >same thing using a crock pot or the aluminum pot, depending on the amount >rendering. > >-Barry Article 32623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in SE UK Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:26:31 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.dungortheb.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1025036608 29655 62.136.160.19 (25 Jun 2002 20:23:28 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 2002 20:23:28 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32623 My feelings exactly. Saw a guy down in Dorset last month, bring the honey in frame by frame and selling what he had immediately. I've had 5 gallon of OSR/Canola once I melted it out of the frames but I can't sell that alone. On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:49:37 +0100, "Peter Hearnden" wrote: >Honey to sell! Now there's a wish.... >I'd be happy if my bees had any honey - at all - they'd collected. June gap? June chasm more like. >Peter Hearnden >Dartmoor foothills >Devon >Still hoping July will be warm :) Article 32624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: bees & apple trees Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:27:04 +0100 Lines: 12 Message-ID: <7gkhhucjq08ph6er7b5bdfocqbu9np5m6j@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.dungortheb.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1025036641 29655 62.136.160.19 (25 Jun 2002 20:24:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 2002 20:24:01 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32624 Honey dew? On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 02:23:27 GMT, Dave wrote: >Hi all, >Here in New Hampshire the apple trees blooms have come and gone. Tonight I >was out and looked at the apple tree and was supprised to it being visited >by so many bees. Question, since there are no blooms on it, what are they >getting out of it? >Thanks in advance. >Dave Article 32625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in SE UK Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:28:46 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: <7hkhhugl240g4onhfutlqtgb9m7tkls12g@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-19.dungortheb.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news5.svr.pol.co.uk 1025036743 29655 62.136.160.19 (25 Jun 2002 20:25:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 2002 20:25:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32625 Actually guy from New Hampshire in a post today says his bees are getting nectar where no flowers are present. I wondered if this was honey dew. Makles me wonder if the UK might get a reasoonable crop of that this year? I know a place in Kent usually sells Oak and borad bean honey dew. On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:49:37 +0100, "Peter Hearnden" wrote: >Honey to sell! Now there's a wish.... >I'd be happy if my bees had any honey - at all - they'd collected. June gap? >June chasm more like. >Peter Hearnden >Dartmoor foothills >Devon >Still hoping July will be warm :) >"Steve Newport" wrote in message >news:jrkchucv127a7fdm57vi0jh07ql8jf793b@4ax.com... >> Does anybody have honey to wholesale in the South East UK? >> Please email me direct Article 32626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3D10F356.8B119BC3@charter.net> Subject: Re: Something new to brood over Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:16:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1024607788 24.31.194.116 (Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:16:28 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:16:28 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!kant.larc.nasa.gov!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news-east.rr.com!news-west.rr.com!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32626 "Louis Ohland" wrote >They're about 50 ft up in a > Catalpa (these bees have NO TASTE whatsoever). Sure they do. Ever look at a catalpa flower? They look very much like an orchid. Some of the fancy flower we grow have very little reward for honeybees. But catalpa is rich in nectar, and beautiful to boot. Plus they'll give you some nice bream bait.... Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com Article 32627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Jars Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 18:25:56 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: Reply-To: "me" References: <20020625094934.15028.00000016@mb-co.aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed-west.nntpserver.com!hub1.meganetnews.com!nntpserver.com!DirecTVinternet!DirecTV-DSL!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32627 Bzzzzttttt - but thanks for playing anyway.... Ok, so I should have more accurately said it was a wood cleaner. You would normally brighten the wood cleaned with tsp with wood bleach after. my mistick. http://abcnews.go.com/onair/GoodMorningAmerica/gma000329_deck_feature.html for a general link. "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020625094934.15028.00000016@mb-co.aol.com... > >aka wood bleach > > > > NO WRONG > > Wood bleach is Oxalic Acid. > > > > > > Article 32628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "salvatorebts" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Marking Queens Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 03:19:16 +0200 Organization: Tiscali Spa Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <0i5qgusnvrkal3mol1l60ienpib3bfe8fd@4ax.com> <7ec141c5.0206190352.2c433cbe@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-62-11-77-35.dialup.tiscali.it X-Trace: lacerta.tiscalinet.it 1025044994 4045 62.11.77.35 (25 Jun 2002 22:43:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@it.tiscali.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 25 Jun 2002 22:43:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!newsfeeder.edisontel.com!newsfeeder.inwind.it!inwind.it!draco.tiscalinet.it!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32628 HA HA HA :-) the future is nearer than are thought! "Steve Newport" ha scritto nel messaggio news:jon4hu842c3htl44cdmgbf3oqo849d3g1t@4ax.com... > I love this group. > Saw in the news (UK - that's Europe guys) about micro chip inserted > into you teeth fillings. Receives data across mobile telephone system > and vibration it sets up in the head transmit direct to your brain. > Spookey. > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:56:50 +0200, "salvatorebts" > wrote: > >A circuit to said microchip trasponder, > >it would be very small and proper for the purpose, > >the transmitting and receiving part the signal rebroadcasted by the microchip would cost very little. > >You think it you American to build it, or it needs to tell him/it some builder of taiwan ; -) > Article 32629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dancing or digging behavior? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:42:52 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-190.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32629 Well I thought when they "washboarded" it tended to be in lines with their butts in the air. These guys have their tails down and "dig" or "scrape" with their front legs. I noticed too that the spot they are concentrated in is a square where the feeder jar was a month or two back. I wonder if they are "remembering" the spot or can still detect something there (sugar embedded in the paint of the bottom board?) "me" wrote in message news:uhfk2kkqbk6j8a@corp.supernews.com... > it's called "washboarding", and there seems to be a lot of debate as to > wether it means anything (as in pre-swarm) or nothing (as in one has a > fiddle and is calling the line). > > Most agree it's fun to watch. > > > > "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message > news:aer7lq$g3o$1@ins22.netins.net... > > I'm a new keeper so I'm not familiar with various bee behaviors. > > > > This evening I went out to my two hives (told you I'm new) and noticed > that > > on the bottom board, at the entrance were approximately 20 or so bees > doing > > the same behavior. All of them were moving around quickly as though they > > were looking for something on the floor and they were moving their front > > legs rapidly as though they were trying to dig. Both hives were doing > this. > > Any idea what this behavior is? somebody lose a contact lens? > > > > Patrick Dugan > > > > > > > > > > Article 32630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeder jars for water? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 19:48:50 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tiff-03-190.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!msc1.onvoy!onvoy.com!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32630 Anyone use feeder jars to supply water for your bees? Where I live (southwestern Missouri in United States) we often get a dry period during the summer that last approximately two months. This occurs after the rainy season which also lasts a couple of months. I am debating using the feeder jars and giving the bees water during that period. Is this a sensible thing to do or am I causing any problems? It seems like a good idea since it will provide them with water regardless of the conditions. The source will be very close, easy to get to and will not have mosquitoes or other issues from an open water source. Good idea or bad idea? Patrick Dugan Article 32631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Johan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: jenter or cupkit problems Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 03:34:23 +0200 Organization: PowerTech, +47-2301-0000 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20020621080133.22702.00001519@mb-fq.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: s01i30-0303.no.powertech.net X-Trace: troll.powertech.no 1025055161 14097 195.159.53.47 (26 Jun 2002 01:32:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@powertech.no NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 01:32:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!193.213.112.26!newsfeed1.ulv.nextra.no!nextra.com!news.powertech.no!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32631 Excuse me for not being very familiar with the English terminology when it comes to beekeeping. Anyway, the reason for the eggs being removed might be because you've placed the cupkit a place not preferred by the bees? It should have "frames?" with eggs and larvaes on both sides. "POTENTS" skrev i melding news:20020621080133.22702.00001519@mb-fq.aol.com... > i have a problem. > the queen lays up the cupkit ok, but when i check in a couple of days time the > eggs have gone. any suggestions? Article 32632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Easybee wanted Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:15:23 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-478.chansey.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1025072635 29546 217.135.65.222 (26 Jun 2002 06:23:55 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 2002 06:23:55 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32632 Anyone in the UK with a large Easybee for sale? -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk Article 32633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Hearnden" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in SE UK Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:39:20 +0100 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-3022.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1025073358 9417 217.134.107.206 (26 Jun 2002 06:35:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 2002 06:35:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32633 That's, in a way, reassuring, I was beginning to think it was me.... "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:vbkhhu8rm7bps3d43r79efj8ainjpc96cd@4ax.com... > My feelings exactly. > Saw a guy down in Dorset last month, bring the honey in frame by frame > and selling what he had immediately. > I've had 5 gallon of OSR/Canola once I melted it out of the frames but > I can't sell that alone. > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2002 17:49:37 +0100, "Peter Hearnden" > wrote: > >Honey to sell! Now there's a wish.... > >I'd be happy if my bees had any honey - at all - they'd collected. June gap? June chasm more like. > >Peter Hearnden > >Dartmoor foothills > >Devon > >Still hoping July will be warm :) > Article 32634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp1.phys.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1025102350 16291 128.173.176.174 (26 Jun 2002 14:39:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32634 All persons interested in bees should visit the web sites of the USDA Bee Labs that are scheduled for elimination by the executive budget proposal. See especially. http://msa.ars.usda.gov/la/btn/hbb/ This lab in Baton Rouge is one that is to go out of existence. Not only does the budget proposal eliminate such important facilities, it leaves in place the one of least importance that wonder of wonders just happens to be in Texas. All of us should contact our U.S. Senators and Congresspersons to protest this terrible proposal. And it makes no sense to attach any correction to the anit-terrorism proposals. The bee labs have enough merit to stand on their own. Article 32635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Steve Huston" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Feeder jars for water? Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.62.89.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@attbi.com X-Trace: rwcrnsc53 1025105584 24.62.89.183 (Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:33:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:33:04 GMT Organization: AT&T Broadband Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 15:33:04 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn1feed!wn2feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.198.204!attbi_feed4!attbi.com!rwcrnsc53.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32635 Hi Patrick, "Patrick Dugan" wrote in message news:afb32q$631$1@ins22.netins.net... > Anyone use feeder jars to supply water for your bees? Yes - I do - I use entrance feeders. I use them to try to keep the bees out of neighborhood swimming pools. I have only 4 hives, so it's not much of a labor drain. > Good idea or bad idea? I think it's a good idea, as long as you can keep them clean (rinse out every day or two and refill). -Steve Article 32636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Purple Martins and Honey Bees Lines: 13 Organization: The Mattes Family X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: <9DlS8.1779$071.301274@news1.news.adelphia.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 16:05:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.40.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1025107525 68.65.40.57 (Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:05:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 12:05:25 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:531 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32636 Do martins eat honey bees? Any links where bird eating preferences could be researched? Thank you. ================ Scott Mattes Scott@TheMattesFamily.ws http://www.TheMattesFamily.ws Article 32637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jose Matas" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9DlS8.1779$071.301274@news1.news.adelphia.net> Subject: Re: Purple Martins and Honey Bees Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 18:15:40 +0200 Lines: 34 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.78 X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.166.131.78 Message-ID: <3d19e8ae@news.airtel.net> X-Trace: news.airtel.net 1025108142 212.166.131.78 (26 Jun 2002 18:15:42 +0200) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!134.222.94.5!npeer.kpnqwest.net!EU.net!news.airtel.net Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:532 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32637 By Purple Martins you mean the bird in the page: http://www.islapro.com/ecologia/Abeja103.htm is a Bee-eater, they fly in flocks and they can eat a whole swarm in 20 minutes. Merops apiaster. [Coraciforme, Meropidae] Abejaruco. Abellerol. Bee-eater Best wishes from Mallorca Jose Matas "Scott Mattes" escribió en el mensaje news:9DlS8.1779$071.301274@news1.news.adelphia.net... > Do martins eat honey bees? Any links where bird eating preferences could be > researched? > > Thank you. > > ================ > Scott Mattes > > Scott@TheMattesFamily.ws > > http://www.TheMattesFamily.ws > > Article 32638 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Purple Martins and Honey Bees Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:08:48 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <9DlS8.1779$071.301274@news1.news.adelphia.net> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025114929 14203538 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:534 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32638 I have Martins and Hives... Never see the Martins chasing them or eating the.. although.. I did see the bees chasing them... -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Scott Mattes" wrote in message news:9DlS8.1779$071.301274@news1.news.adelphia.net... > Do martins eat honey bees? Any links where bird eating preferences could be > researched? > > Thank you. > > ================ > Scott Mattes > > Scott@TheMattesFamily.ws > > http://www.TheMattesFamily.ws > > Article 32639 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Easybee wanted Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:15:22 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-55.dernhelm.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1025129538 19435 62.136.154.55 (26 Jun 2002 22:12:18 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 2002 22:12:18 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!peernews.cix.co.uk!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32639 Easybee? On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:15:23 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Anyone in the UK with a large Easybee for sale? Article 32640 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Easybee wanted Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:37:57 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3d1a4221.132459863@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32640 On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:15:23 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Anyone in the UK with a large Easybee for sale? >-- >Peter Edwards >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > > On this side of the pond all we have is easy women! beekeep Article 32641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:40:21 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: p13.a4.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32641 On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC), jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: >All persons interested in bees should visit the web sites of the USDA Bee >Labs that are scheduled for elimination by the executive budget proposal. >See especially. http://msa.ars.usda.gov/la/btn/hbb/ This lab in Baton Rouge >is one that is to go out of existence. Not only does the budget proposal >eliminate such important facilities, it leaves in place the one of least >importance that wonder of wonders just happens to be in Texas. All of us >should contact our U.S. Senators and Congresspersons to protest this terrible >proposal. And it makes no sense to attach any correction to the anit-terrorism >proposals. The bee labs have enough merit to stand on their own. > Please tell us what they do for us that can justify the millions they spend. beekeep Article 32642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Easybee wanted Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:44:57 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-945.charmeleon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1025131608 25797 217.135.82.177 (26 Jun 2002 22:46:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 2002 22:46:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32642 Brand of melting tray. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "Steve Newport" wrote in message news:f7fkhu050u7cc7p6uerejt4231cl6fb27b@4ax.com... > Easybee? > > On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:15:23 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >Anyone in the UK with a large Easybee for sale? > Article 32643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Easybee wanted Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:45:43 +0100 Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <3d1a4221.132459863@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-945.charmeleon.dialup.pol.co.uk X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1025131608 25797 217.135.82.177 (26 Jun 2002 22:46:48 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 2002 22:46:48 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32643 We never doubted it. -- Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk "beekeep" wrote in message news:3d1a4221.132459863@news1.radix.net... > On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 07:15:23 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >Anyone in the UK with a large Easybee for sale? > >-- > >Peter Edwards > >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > > > > > > > On this side of the pond all we have is easy women! > > beekeep > > Article 32644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: crle@sovereign.net (CE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Date: 26 Jun 2002 15:51:19 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.52.93.94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025131879 24683 127.0.0.1 (26 Jun 2002 22:51:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 26 Jun 2002 22:51:19 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32644 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:535 There seem to be a lot of bees clustered at the hive entrance. They just seem to sit there doing nothing all day. Click on the link below to see the images I took with my cam. Does this look normal given the weather conditions I posted with the pics? I understand that a really strong honey flow is happening here in NE Ohio. The link is http://users.adelphia.net/~crle/bees/entrance.html Thanks, Charles Article 32645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 7 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 26 Jun 2002 23:37:38 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Message-ID: <20020626193738.20106.00000898@mb-me.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nnxp1.twtelecom.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32645 Hot weather, nectar dearth, or pre swarm. Article 32646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Scott Mattes" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <9DlS8.1779$071.301274@news1.news.adelphia.net> <3d19e8ae@news.airtel.net> Subject: Re: Purple Martins and Honey Bees Lines: 47 Organization: The Mattes Family X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:11:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.65.40.57 X-Complaints-To: abuse@adelphia.net X-Trace: news1.news.adelphia.net 1025140276 68.65.40.57 (Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:11:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:11:16 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!router1.news.adelphia.net!news1.news.adelphia.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:536 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32646 I don't read the language, but earlier today I ran across another page that said that there is another bird sometimes mistaken for the PM that does eat bees. Maybe that is the one on the page you ref'd. Another poster to this msg says he has PMs and honey bees and no problems. Thank you. "Jose Matas" wrote in message news:3d19e8ae@news.airtel.net... > By Purple Martins you mean the bird in the page: > > http://www.islapro.com/ecologia/Abeja103.htm is a Bee-eater, they fly in > flocks and > they can eat a whole swarm in 20 minutes. > > > Merops apiaster. [Coraciforme, Meropidae] Abejaruco. Abellerol. Bee-eater > > Best wishes from Mallorca > > > Jose Matas > > > > "Scott Mattes" escribió en el mensaje > news:9DlS8.1779$071.301274@news1.news.adelphia.net... > > Do martins eat honey bees? Any links where bird eating preferences could > be > > researched? > > > > Thank you. > > > > ================ > > Scott Mattes > > > > Scott@TheMattesFamily.ws > > > > http://www.TheMattesFamily.ws > > > > > > Article 32647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:16:30 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h80ad238a.async.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: solaris.cc.vt.edu 1025140590 14347 128.173.35.138 (27 Jun 2002 01:16:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@vt.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:16:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32647 In article <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net says... > >On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC), jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. >Long) wrote: > >>All persons interested in bees should visit the web sites of the USDA Bee >>Labs that are scheduled for elimination by the executive budget proposal. >>See especially. http://msa.ars.usda.gov/la/btn/hbb/ This lab in Baton Rouge >>is one that is to go out of existence. Not only does the budget proposal >>eliminate such important facilities, it leaves in place the one of least >>importance that wonder of wonders just happens to be in Texas. All of us >>should contact our U.S. Senators and Congresspersons to protest this terrible >>proposal. And it makes no sense to attach any correction to the anit-terrorism >>proposals. The bee labs have enough merit to stand on their own. >> >Please tell us what they do for us that can justify the millions they >spend. The cost of the entire program of four labs is less than one jet fighter. The budget is in hundreds of billions and a few million is a drop in the ocean. But who is there to look for real solutions to varroa, tracheal, small hive beetle? Who is there to assess the threat of Africanized bees? Who is there to test curious variations like the so-called Russian Queens? Do you think that there is no connection at all between the incredible economic successes of U.S. Agri-business and the work of USDA sponsored research? If you answer yes then there is no point talking to you. Your mind is made up that most tax money is wasted unless it is spent on your own favorite enterprise. If you really want to know what the bee labs do visit their web sites. > >beekeep > Article 32648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:00:47 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <20020626193738.20106.00000898@mb-me.aol.com> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.34 X-Server-Date: 27 Jun 2002 03:02:32 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32648 Probably what BeeCrofter said. Here is something interesting I just read considering work that bees do. A study done by some scientist proves that bees only work, at maximum, three hours a day; most bees that where observed did very little work at all. One bee went into a cell and stayed for hours while others just wondered around the hive. Are they really busy bees? Christopher Petree Article 32649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020626193738.20106.00000898@mb-me.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 03:05:14 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.225.125.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1025147114 67.225.125.236 (Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:05:14 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 20:05:14 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32649 what is nectar derth? "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020626193738.20106.00000898@mb-me.aol.com... > Hot weather, nectar dearth, or pre swarm. > > > > > > Article 32650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:15:33 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 6 Message-ID: References: <20020626193738.20106.00000898@mb-me.aol.com> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.34 X-Server-Date: 27 Jun 2002 03:15:44 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32650 When there is no nectar to forage. The bees usually end up having idle time that they devote to robbing and being a nuisance to other hives. Christopher Petree Article 32651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 22:53:57 -0500 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVYGCrNJ0YHaNSkGGGngrJgpjByCFKwL6fWqoTrjejwUkSzu/LVurO4y X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2002 03:54:40 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32651 >> Please tell us what they do for us that can justify the millions they >> spend. > The cost of the entire program of four labs is less than one jet fighter. > The budget is in hundreds of billions and a few million is a drop in the > ocean. But who is there to look for real solutions to varroa, tracheal, small > hive beetle? Who is there to assess the threat of Africanized bees? Who is > there to test curious variations like the so-called Russian Queens? Do you > think that there is no connection at all between the incredible economic > successes of U.S. Agri-business and the work of USDA sponsored research? I thought the question beekeep asked is an important one, and one that any business would have to address in the real world. It's our money they are spending and we should automatically scrutinize every government funded program there is simply because there needs to be accountability. How little or how much of our money "they" spend has little to do with it. The fact that it is the peoples money and they are to represent and work for the good of the people make it our business. I am not anti government programs, but I do expect our monies to be spent wisely with little to no waste. Who is there? Only USDA? Are beekeepers inept to do anything? Do we know what the real threat is around the AHB issue? A lot has been put forth over the years yet little of it has proven to be the case. After 20 years of study on AHB and varroa, where are we? This issue of the labs doesn't strike me as having an obvious right view to come down on. Maybe some labs should be closed. Certainly we should not automatically rush to keep them open without some scrutinizing of the program. Regards, Barry Article 32652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Muddawg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Something I've Never Seen Before Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:26:29 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32652 Apparently, a swarm of Italian mongrels tried to move in and/or take over one of my new splits. I went to feed the split and noticed bees all over the outside of one of my NWC splits. I immediately thought my split was being robbed. When I got closer, I noticed a wad of workers balling an Italian queen on the landing board just inside the entrance (thankfully not my marked black NWC) and a plethora of dead bees on the ground in front of the split that are mostly yellow. Looks like NWC's will have none of that foolishness. Now a little background information for the scientists in the group. The split attacked(?) was one of 5 Mid-May splits I brought from another site to my residence to introduce queens and observe. It has one full hive body and one hive body of foundation that they are just beginning to build comb in. The entrance has a boardman feeder but otherwise not reduced. There is a "Dearth" here in Cookeville,TN. The splits all have new queens as follows: 2 NWC, 1 Taber Russian/Yugo Carniolan, 1 Russian/Italian, and one Yellow Italian. I have never seen or heard of bees actually moving in to another hive or attempting to move in with a queenright colony. Any thoughts? -- Muddawg Middle Tennessee Article 32653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Purple Martins and Honey Bees Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:24:44 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 4 Message-ID: References: <9DlS8.1779$071.301274@news1.news.adelphia.net> Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: 40.ff.44.ac Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 27 Jun 2002 04:29:37 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!newsfeed.media.kyoto-u.ac.jp!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:537 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32653 Blue Jays, Ravens, Mockingbirds. Keep my apiary spic and span of any dieing or mite deformed bee on the ground. The jays and mockingbirds will grab good live bees too. Article 32654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Oliver Frank" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Something I've Never Seen Before Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:27:53 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 2 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Oliver Frank" NNTP-Posting-Host: 40.ff.44.ac Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server-Date: 27 Jun 2002 04:32:46 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!208.49.253.98!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32654 Africans taking over ? Article 32655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Muddawg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Something I've Never Seen Before Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:09:23 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 13 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32655 I have heard of Africans taking over, but I have always assumed that meant through the superior mating ability of Africanized drones. I also don't think any have been documented in Tennessee yet, however, it is a very late swarm for this area. That is more the norm for Africanized bees. -- Muddawg "Oliver Frank" wrote in message news:afe4he$vvi$1@slb4.atl.mindspring.net... > Africans taking over ? > Article 32656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D1A8B33.91C1448C@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Feeder jars for water? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 35 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 06:05:48 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.196 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1025157948 67.251.117.196 (Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:05:48 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:05:48 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32656 Patrick Dugan wrote: > > Anyone use feeder jars to supply water for your bees? Where I live > (southwestern Missouri in United States) we often get a dry period during > the summer that last approximately two months. This occurs after the rainy > season which also lasts a couple of months. I am debating using the feeder > jars and giving the bees water during that period. Is this a sensible > thing to do or am I causing any problems? It seems like a good idea since > it will provide them with water regardless of the conditions. The source > will be very close, easy to get to and will not have mosquitoes or other > issues from an open water source. Good idea or bad idea? > > Patrick Dugan Patrick, I use my feeder jars to have water accessible for my bees. But I put the feeders under the overhang of a shed nearby rather than at the hives. The water doesn't get hot and the feeders don't interfere with the entrance to the hives or take up super space. I usually spray a little sugar water on them to attract the bees to their location. My hives are some distance from a steam, so I try to help my bees with water during dry spells. Also, I have 5 50-gallon barrels in the vicinity of the hives that I collect rain water in to water my young trees and rose garden. I float pieces of wood in each barrel in case any bees fall in so that they have a platform on which to escape. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 32657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Helena" <@> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020626193738.20106.00000898@mb-me.aol.com> Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 09:10:54 +0300 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <3d1aac6e$0$7925$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.204.41.254 X-Trace: 1025158254 diablo.uninet.ee 7925 194.204.41.254 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.net.uni-c.dk!uninett.no!news.powertech.no!newsfeed01.nntp.se.dataphone.net!nntp.se.dataphone.net!feeder1.news.jippii.net!newsfeed.song.fi!newsfeed1.funet.fi!newsfeeds.funet.fi!newsfeed.uninet.ee!diablo.uninet.ee!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32657 How to stop the robber? There are only 4 frames of bees in the hive and a queen cell and all the bees are young - I just put them there few days ago. "Christopher Petree" wrote in message news:afe010$t34$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net... > When there is no nectar to forage. The bees usually end up having idle time > that they devote to robbing and being a nuisance to other hives. > > Christopher Petree > > Article 32658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: 27 Jun 2002 01:07:01 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-434.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32658 Barry Birkey said: > I thought the question beekeep asked is an important one, and > one that any business would have to address in the real world. Employees of the USDA ARS may not feel free to post a reply to UseNet, moreso under the current circumstances, so I will attempt an answer on their behalf. Research is not a business, it is Science. The USDA ARS Bee Labs have no equal anywhere on the planet. If they are "lost" through lack of funding, no one else anywhere else will pick up the slack. > It's our money they are spending and we should automatically scrutinize > every government funded program there is simply because there needs > to be accountability. More than enough controls exist, more than adequate checks and balances exist. Read their websites. Request information on their work. Visit a bee lab. Talk to the researchers. They are masters of "shoestring budgets", and are practiced at "making do". There is no "fat" in their budgets. To be blunt, there never was any fat, and steady inflation without budget increases has cut into bone. > I am not anti government programs, but I do expect our monies to > be spent wisely with little to no waste. Then you will be very happy with what you find if you look at the bee labs, but you have to make the effort to look. They don't have the budget to publish newsletters. > This issue of the labs doesn't strike me as having an obvious right view to > come down on. Maybe some labs should be closed. Certainly we should not > automatically rush to keep them open without some scrutinizing of the > program. Anyone who has wanted to "scrutinize" the bee labs has been able to do so. Each lab and each individual project has regular reviews. These are not private meetings. Any random beekeeper asking to attend would be welcomed, provided a chair, and given copies of all the handouts, just as if he/she were a Congressperson, USDA staffer, or OMB auditor. > After 20 years of study on AHB and varroa, where are we? A lot better off than we would have been without the efforts of the bee labs. Neither problem has been eliminated as quickly as one might wish, but one can wish, or one can work. My money is on working on the problems. As luck would have it, both the US House and Senate appear to share my confidence in the bee labs, as both have made statements of support for restoring the funding excluded from the FY2003 USDA budget. ...but it never hurts to write YOUR congressperson, and make sure that they understand that they have (another) constituent with a stake in the issue. jim Article 32659 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gene Poole Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:56:10 -0600 Organization: SETEC astronomy Lines: 16 Message-ID: <3D1AD32A.5B11014E@yahoo.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: h24-68-252-190.cg.shawcable.net (24.68.252.190) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025168293 14649908 24.68.252.190 (16 [131112]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!h24-68-252-190.cg.shawcable.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32659 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:538 CE wrote: > > There seem to be a lot of bees clustered at the hive entrance. They > just seem to sit there doing nothing all day. Click on the link below > to see the images I took with my cam. > > Does this look normal given the weather conditions I posted with the > pics? I understand that a really strong honey flow is happening here > in NE Ohio. > > The link is http://users.adelphia.net/~crle/bees/entrance.html I think your bees are dead. -- Gene Poole Article 32660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gene Poole Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Purple Martins and Honey Bees Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:57:20 -0600 Organization: SETEC astronomy Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3D1AD370.83B3A991@yahoo.com> References: <9DlS8.1779$071.301274@news1.news.adelphia.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: h24-68-252-190.cg.shawcable.net (24.68.252.190) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025168362 14649908 24.68.252.190 (16 [131112]) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!h24-68-252-190.cg.shawcable.NET!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:539 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32660 Oliver Frank wrote: > > Blue Jays, Ravens, Mockingbirds. Keep my apiary spic and span of any > dieing or mite deformed bee on the ground. The jays and mockingbirds > will grab good live bees too. trying to get a good buzz? -- Gene Poole Evil! I'm evil!! Article 32661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "BeeFarmer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:51:43 -0400 Organization: Kids getting involved with Beekeeping Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <3D1AD32A.5B11014E@yahoo.com> Reply-To: "BeeFarmer" NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.100.169.66 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1025178705 14504967 63.100.169.66 (16 [66812]) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!63.100.169.66!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32661 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:540 This is very normal especially during warmer weather. Bee moving back and forth is called washboarding. -- OhioBeeFarmer Getting kids involved in Beekeeping http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/BeesRUs.html http://www.homestead.com/BeeKeepers/Opening.html "Gene Poole" wrote in message news:3D1AD32A.5B11014E@yahoo.com... > CE wrote: > > > > There seem to be a lot of bees clustered at the hive entrance. They > > just seem to sit there doing nothing all day. Click on the link below > > to see the images I took with my cam. > > > > Does this look normal given the weather conditions I posted with the > > pics? I understand that a really strong honey flow is happening here > > in NE Ohio. > > > > The link is http://users.adelphia.net/~crle/bees/entrance.html > > I think your bees are dead. > > -- > Gene Poole Article 32662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 12:11:08 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 73 Message-ID: <3d1af977.179400044@news1.radix.net> References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p20.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32662 On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 01:16:30 +0000 (UTC), jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: >In article <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net says... >> >>On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 14:39:10 +0000 (UTC), jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. >>Long) wrote: >> >>>All persons interested in bees should visit the web sites of the USDA Bee >>>Labs that are scheduled for elimination by the executive budget proposal. >>>See especially. http://msa.ars.usda.gov/la/btn/hbb/ This lab in Baton Rouge >>>is one that is to go out of existence. Not only does the budget proposal >>>eliminate such important facilities, it leaves in place the one of least >>>importance that wonder of wonders just happens to be in Texas. All of us >>>should contact our U.S. Senators and Congresspersons to protest this terrible >>>proposal. And it makes no sense to attach any correction to the >anit-terrorism >>>proposals. The bee labs have enough merit to stand on their own. >>> >>Please tell us what they do for us that can justify the millions they >>spend. >The cost of the entire program of four labs is less than one jet fighter. Jet fighters protect my freedoms, I don't mind paying for them. >The budget is in hundreds of billions and a few million is a drop in the >ocean. But who is there to look for real solutions to varroa, tracheal, small >hive beetle? Tell me again about the formic acid gell packs. > Who is there to assess the threat of Africanized bees? They spent countless dollars on this project and couldn't slow them down. That bee will go where it wants to. Let the states assess the problem, it is not a national problem. >Who is >there to test curious variations like the so-called Russian Queens? Like the Yugo bees? USDA wasted countless dollars on that one too a few years back. Now a parapalegic cound count the ads in the bee rags for them. USDA with all the gov't rules and regs probably hinder progress here. The quarantines have done little to stop the known pests from entering our country nor did they stop the africanized bee. Throw the rules and regs out and let new genetic stock in. Commercial bee breeders are better equiped for the task than our government. >Do you >think that there is no connection at all between the incredible economic >successes of U.S. Agri-business and the work of USDA sponsored research? If >you answer yes then there is no point talking to you. Your mind is made up that >most tax money is wasted unless it is spent on your own favorite enterprise. >If you really want to know what the bee labs do visit their web sites. > I won't say that we don't get anything from them but I will say that we should get more cluck for our bucks. Don't overlook the great research that goes on at the universitys around the country. This research is far more cost effective and addresses local problems that really matter. I also think that you have no idea of the ability of the Amerian farmer to survive. The mite problems that we have are not a national problem, they are a wordwide problem. Many of these smaller and poorer countries have a flourishing beekeeping industry. If they didn't they couldn't flood our honey markets the way they do. All that I am saying is that the bee labs closing may not be as bad as everyone thinks. It will definately not be the end of beekeeping in this country. beekeep Article 32663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D1B4010.3F9C98C4@thesitefights.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:40:48 -0500 From: Lady Java X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? References: <20020626193738.20106.00000898@mb-me.aol.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.19.90.65 X-Trace: web2.westelcom.com 1025192440 64.19.90.65 (27 Jun 2002 11:40:40 -0400) Organization: www.westelcom.com Lines: 22 Path: news.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!xmission!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!shot.codefab.com!att541!ip.att.net!web2.westelcom.com Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32663 Did you read that in the book by Susan Hubbell?  Um, a Year of Bees, or something like that?  Great book...  She also did one, something like A COuntry Year, that was good, too!

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Christopher Petree wrote:

Probably what BeeCrofter said.

Here is something interesting I just read considering work that bees do. A
study done by some scientist proves that bees only work, at maximum, three
hours a day; most bees that where observed did very little work at all. One
bee went into a cell and stayed for hours while others just wondered around
the hive. Are they really busy bees?

Christopher Petree

Article 32664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D1B0D89.D3465BA0@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Source? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 25 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:02:56 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1025200976 67.251.117.228 (Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:02:56 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:02:56 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32664 The sourwood trees here in western North Carolina are beginning to bloom. My question: how long does it take a hive on the average to fill, cure, and cap a super of sourwood honey when the supply of sourwood blossoms is good? The reason for the question is that a friend of mine opened his hives yesterday to remove the spring honey and to put supers on for the sourwood. His supers were 'brimful' of clear honey that he says is sourwood; I say it's probably clover because the sourwood trees have just begun blooming. Does anyone have an answer to the question? Thank you. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 32665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3D1B1122.EBE33C8B@atlas.localdomain> From: Louise Adderholdt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.19 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Wax moths Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 28 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:02:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.251.117.228 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrddc04.gnilink.net 1025200977 67.251.117.228 (Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:02:57 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:02:57 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!newsmi-us.news.garr.it!NewsITBone-GARR!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone2.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamfinder.gnilink.net!nwrddc04.gnilink.net.POSTED!f63d232e!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32665 What is the best method of getting rid of wax moths in a hive to be sure that they are all disposed of? I know that you can hand pick them if there are only a few, but what to do when there are many? I had a very strong, active hive to swarm this spring leaving behind a hive that developed moths in a very short time. Unfortunately, I had some other pressing obligations and had checked on the hive only once since the swarm (which, BTW, flew completely away from sight and was a huge one). I'm assuming that the new queen either died or was very weak. Just after the swarming, the new queen was laying eggs and seemed to be fine, but I've never had a swarm to leave so few bees still in the hive. Some people recommend freezing the hive, supers, and frames to kill the moths, but I don't have a freezer to do this. What a mess! I'm as angry with myself as I am the moths! Also, are there any preventive measures or treatments to deter moths from infesting the hive in the first place? Thanks. Louise -- Louise Adderholdt | If it be an evil to judge rashly or untruly of any n.kc@verizon.net | single man, how much a greater sin it is to condemn | a whole people. --William Penn Article 32666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 11 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 27 Jun 2002 19:57:31 GMT References: <3D1B1122.EBE33C8B@atlas.localdomain> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Wax moths Message-ID: <20020627155731.21378.00001090@mb-me.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!freenix!fr.clara.net!heighliner.fr.clara.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32666 >Also, are there any preventive measures Keep the hive strong. If you can put the gear on a strong hive they will clean them up for you. Article 32667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:09:19 -0500 Lines: 97 Message-ID: References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVajxt6eW9N07KmySPq/HyMEAHdcWoFhYMOqN0dfPU0OM5L9ok1HqRnw X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2002 22:10:03 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.wind.surfnet.nl!surfnet.nl!news.mailgate.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32667 Hello Jim - >> I thought the question beekeep asked is an important one, and >> one that any business would have to address in the real world. > Research is not a business, it is Science. The USDA ARS Bee > Labs have no equal anywhere on the planet. If they are "lost" > through lack of funding, no one else anywhere else will pick up > the slack. Yea, right. I see you have little hope in life outside the care and protection of our government. Others are already "picking up the slack" and moving ahead with the BS (bee science), especially in those areas that affect us the most. In fact, didn't you bring Bee-Quick to the market? Was the USDA involved with any of it? I didn't say they were a business. I said the question put forth by beekeep; "Please tell us what they do for us that can justify the millions they spend.", is important and needs to be asked. This kind of question is one that every business, home and person asks of itself also. I'm not being overly judgmental about the labs. Good work has and does come out of them. It's clear also that monies have been spent on worthless projects. Regardless, those pushing for lab funding, and the labs themselves, have the burden to prove their worth. I provide a quote from a post you made to BEE-L on Sat, 4 May 2002. "The discussion of screens and varroa mites has prompted multiple people to cite various studies. Each study was tossed on the table in expectation that it would land with a resounding thump, bearing weighty scientific evidence in support of a point of view." "But how "weighty" are the papers that are trotted out to influence the consensus on practices intended to assure the survival of one's colonies? Are they more "weighty" than the consensus of the participants in the discussion? Does it strike anyone as funny that a beekeeper with decades of experience and hundreds of hives feels somehow obligated to cite a study of a few dozen hives over less than a year?" While you were trying to point out the limitations of research with the above, I think it is fitting that it also points out the irony between the researcher's token hives and lab setting to bring us the "answers" versus the beekeeper with hundreds or thousands of hives with years of field experience, and a living to make. You go on to say, "The future might lay with the hobbyists. Groups of hobbyists, properly briefed and willing to tolerate being "instructed" in technique, could certainly implement studies designed by researchers." I can certainly get behind you on this statement! In fact, I feel so strongly about the "non-BS" having an important role to play in beekeeping, I developed a web site just for this purpose (beesource.com). >> It's our money they are spending and we should automatically scrutinize >> every government funded program there is simply because there needs >> to be accountability. > > More than enough controls exist, more than adequate checks and > balances exist. Read their websites. Request information on their > work. Visit a bee lab. Talk to the researchers. They are masters of > "shoestring budgets", and are practiced at "making do". There is no > "fat" in their budgets. To be blunt, there never was any fat, and > steady inflation without budget increases has cut into bone. Sorry, it's suspect just because it's government which means politics are involved. >> After 20 years of study on AHB and varroa, where are we? > > A lot better off than we would have been without the efforts > of the bee labs. Okay, please give us the details on this. They haven't stopped them from going any place they want to go, nor will they ever. We have learned plenty about this bee from people all over the world. Please tell me what it is that we are so better off about from 20 years of research on this bee and countless monies spent on it. > Neither problem has been eliminated as > quickly as one might wish, but one can wish, or one can work. > > My money is on working on the problems. My money is too, except in my world I have to be lean and spend my money very carefully to get the biggest bang for the buck. > As luck would have it, both the US House and Senate appear > to share my confidence in the bee labs, as both have made > statements of support for restoring the funding excluded > from the FY2003 USDA budget. And if they get funding and remain open, fine. I will still expect the monies to be spent on studies that are relevant and practical to the industry. Regards, Barry ... letting off a little political steam because I know you can't have government without corruption, so watch out! Article 32668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 23:57:47 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <226nhu0fqpti48qhkdd3ioe0mankp1h8t0@4ax.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.earrame.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1025218483 31894 62.136.166.209 (27 Jun 2002 22:54:43 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2002 22:54:43 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32668 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:542 Like the photos. Suggest you post to http://www.beekeeping.com/goodies/images/index.htm On 26 Jun 2002 15:51:19 -0700, crle@sovereign.net (CE) wrote: >There seem to be a lot of bees clustered at the hive entrance. They >just seem to sit there doing nothing all day. Click on the link below >to see the images I took with my cam. >Does this look normal given the weather conditions I posted with the >pics? I understand that a really strong honey flow is happening here >in NE Ohio. >The link is http://users.adelphia.net/~crle/bees/entrance.html >Thanks, >Charles Article 32669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Easybee wanted Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:10:15 +0100 Lines: 7 Message-ID: References: <3d1a4221.132459863@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.earrame.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1025219231 12379 62.136.166.209 (27 Jun 2002 23:07:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2002 23:07:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32669 Here we go again. :-) Peter, don't wind the Americans up - you know they get over sensitive. On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:45:43 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >We never doubted it. Article 32670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:18:07 +0100 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.earrame.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1025219703 7392 62.136.166.209 (27 Jun 2002 23:15:03 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2002 23:15:03 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.gamma.ru!Gamma.RU!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32670 On 27 Jun 2002 01:07:01 -0700, jim wrote: >Research is not a business, it is Science. Nice concept - not true in practice. This is central to many of the food scares in recent times, even in the UK we are drawn backwards and forwards over the safety or otherwise of the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine. BSE in Europe another example. Vested interests tainting pure research. Large corporate institutions fix results and manipulate the media to make you believe what they want you to believe. Come on, US companies are past masters at this sort of crap. >The USDA ARS Bee Labs have no equal anywhere on the planet. Bollocks. Article 32671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax moths Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:23:00 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4g7nhusqm246a5r7e3a8uvp1ji4bsgi1iq@4ax.com> References: <3D1B1122.EBE33C8B@atlas.localdomain> <20020627155731.21378.00001090@mb-me.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-81.earrame.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk 1025219996 7392 62.136.166.209 (27 Jun 2002 23:19:56 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Jun 2002 23:19:56 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!shale.ftech.net!news.ftech.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32671 Not tried it but seen mentioned. Cut open a large soft drinks bottle. Fill with vinegar and banana skins. Drowns the little bleeders. On 27 Jun 2002 19:57:31 GMT, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: >>Also, are there any preventive measures >Keep the hive strong. >If you can put the gear on a strong hive they will clean them up for you. Article 32672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: 27 Jun 2002 16:48:48 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 47 Message-ID: References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-835.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!newsfeed.sjc.globix.net!cyclone-sf.pbi.net!151.164.30.35!cyclone.swbell.net!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32672 Barry Birkey said: > Yea, right. I see you have little hope in life outside the care and > protection of our government. Not at all - it is just that "agricultural research" is what the USDA ARS is for! What percentage of US crops require honeybees? Therefore, if the USDA is to do research at all, what percentage of their efforts should focus on honeybees? Just how "strategic" is food? Pretty darned important. Remember the food drops for Afghanistan? They worked. Therefore, what percentage of our national defense budget should be spent on agriculture? > Others are already "picking up the slack" and moving ahead with the > bee science, especially in those areas that affect us the most. This "applied R&D work" is fine, but it could not be done without the knowledge gained from prior "basic research". Someone must do this basic research. If it stops now, the future suffers. Who's gonna pay the folks that do basic research? > You go on to say, "The future might lay with the hobbyists. > Groups of hobbyists, properly briefed and willing to tolerate being > "instructed" in technique, could certainly implement studies designed > by researchers." I can certainly get behind you on this statement! Great - then you can also get behind the need for experienced researchers to be able to lead a project that might utilize hobbyist hives. The states are not going to spend money on issues that do not directly impact them, so a Federal research effort is a required item. Yes, it would be nice if the states funded more research, but they can't even find the money to fund extension and "state apiarist" positions, so I'm not going to hold my breath. I'm also not going to hold my breath waiting for other countries to build something to equal the USDA ARS bee labs. jim Article 32673 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 22:44:15 -0500 Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVY36Izh77LLtO/E2XVClnQO8AIVA5SQsy6z7V9/+IwYhgjbieh8Jsup X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2002 03:44:58 GMT User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32673 Hello Jim - >> Others are already "picking up the slack" and moving ahead with the >> bee science, especially in those areas that affect us the most. > > This "applied R&D work" is fine, but it could not be > done without the knowledge gained from prior > "basic research". Someone must do this basic > research. If it stops now, the future suffers. > Who's gonna pay the folks that do basic research? I agree, it's the basic research that needs to continue. I guess we could debate some as to what constitutes "basic." >> You go on to say, "The future might lay with the hobbyists. >> Groups of hobbyists, properly briefed and willing to tolerate being >> "instructed" in technique, could certainly implement studies designed >> by researchers." I can certainly get behind you on this statement! > > Great - then you can also get behind the need for > experienced researchers to be able to lead a project > that might utilize hobbyist hives. The states are not > going to spend money on issues that do not directly > impact them, so a Federal research effort is a required > item. Yes, it would be nice if the states funded more > research, but they can't even find the money to fund > extension and "state apiarist" positions, so I'm not > going to hold my breath. Yes, having researchers and beekeepers working together on projects seems like a sensible thing to do. Researchers should also be willing to work with beekeepers on THEIR interested project as well. If a beekeeper wants to test FGMO as a mite treatment, there ought to be cooperation to do so, even if it is not high on the researchers agenda. I see a significant number of beekeepers who are willing to do testing. What I don't see are the researchers willing to give their input. Regards, Barry Article 32674 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: wvapiaries@aol.com (WVApiaries) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Jun 2002 06:06:48 GMT References: Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Session Scheduler (Queue Name: gng-fs) Subject: Re: Easybee wanted Message-ID: <20020628020648.14978.00000265@mb-fs.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32674 I've got a spare one for sale in good condition, what's it worth. Wye Valley Apiaries, Monmouth. Article 32675 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Denise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey bees vs. Leaf cutter bees Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <86NS8.1$fZ6.139@client> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 18:26:01 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.145.159.193 X-Trace: client 1025220100 216.145.159.193 (Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:21:40 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:21:40 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!isdnet!luth.se!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p3!uknet!peerfeed.news.psi.net!filter.news.psi.net!psinr!client!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32675 Does any one know any significant differences in the two types of bees, for example flight patterns in a typical field, how do they vary. Any other differences would be greatly appreciated. Article 32676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Easybee wanted Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:20:17 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 11 Message-ID: <3d1c3832.31683923@news1.radix.net> References: <3d1a4221.132459863@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p11.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32676 On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:10:15 +0100, Steve Newport wrote: >Here we go again. :-) >Peter, don't wind the Americans up - you know they get over sensitive. > Especially with the 4th of July just around the corner. beekeep Article 32677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: 28 Jun 2002 06:54:40 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 45 Message-ID: References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-790.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32677 >> Research is not a business, it is Science. Steve Newport said: > Nice concept - not true in practice. This is central to many of the > food scares in recent times, even in the UK we are drawn backwards and > forwards over the safety or otherwise of the MMR (measles, mumps and > rubella) vaccine. BSE in Europe another example. Vested interests > tainting pure research. Large corporate institutions fix results and > manipulate the media to make you believe what they want you to > believe. Come on, US companies are past masters at this sort of crap. You have done a good job of citing examples that prove the "concept" true in practice. These are all good reasons why REAL, HONEST research is not a business, and one cannot leave research to business, or trust the claims made by researchers employed by "business" without clear and compelling verification by other, disinterested parties. (If you read back in the thread, Barry Birkley was claiming that research needed to be viewed on the basis of tangible, useful, short-term practical results. It is exactly these pressures that lead to so much error and half-truth in commercially-sponsored research.) >> The USDA ARS Bee Labs have no equal anywhere on the planet. > Bollocks. A well-written, fact-filled, and insightful rebuttal like that from the home of the English language leaves me with only one possible reply. "Put up, or shut up." Seriously, I wish the UK and EU would "put up" - everyone would be delighted to see other countries fund some serious bee research to the extent that the USA has done. Understand that I was not bragging, I was complaining about the stunning lack of scientists working on the issues near and dear to our hearts. jim Article 32678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:55:55 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 62 Message-ID: <3d1cae2a.61883539@news1.radix.net> References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p26.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32678 On 28 Jun 2002 06:54:40 -0700, jim wrote: > >>> Research is not a business, it is Science. > >Steve Newport said: > >> Nice concept - not true in practice. This is central to many of the >> food scares in recent times, even in the UK we are drawn backwards and >> forwards over the safety or otherwise of the MMR (measles, mumps and >> rubella) vaccine. BSE in Europe another example. Vested interests >> tainting pure research. Large corporate institutions fix results and >> manipulate the media to make you believe what they want you to >> believe. Come on, US companies are past masters at this sort of crap. > >You have done a good job of citing examples that prove the >"concept" true in practice. > >These are all good reasons why REAL, HONEST research >is not a business, and one cannot leave research to >business, or trust the claims made by researchers >employed by "business" without clear and compelling >verification by other, disinterested parties. >(If you read back in the thread, Barry Birkley was >claiming that research needed to be viewed on the basis >of tangible, useful, short-term practical results. It >is exactly these pressures that lead to so much error and >half-truth in commercially-sponsored research.) > >>> The USDA ARS Bee Labs have no equal anywhere on the planet. > >> Bollocks. > >A well-written, fact-filled, and insightful rebuttal like that from >the home of the English language leaves me with only one >possible reply. "Put up, or shut up." > >Seriously, I wish the UK and EU would "put up" - everyone >would be delighted to see other countries fund some >serious bee research to the extent that the USA has done. > >Understand that I was not bragging, I was complaining about the >stunning lack of scientists working on the issues near and dear >to our hearts. > > jim > They have! Oxalic acid has been approved for varroa control in in some european countries and is being used in Canada as well. The US doesn't have and never will. Why? I'll tell you why - you can buy the stuff off the shelf in the harware store for $6 per 12 ounces which will treat over 200 hives. Nobody will bother to register it as a miteacide because FDA (translate federal gov't) approval costs are very expensive. There is no profit to be made so nobody including USDA is going to seek it's approval. Nobody cares about your bees or my bees except us. All the rest care about is how to make a profit off of us. If you believe otherwise you are living in make-believe land. beekeep Article 32679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A bright idea. Or maybe a hare-brained scheme? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 92 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:27:05 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1025292425 209.204.149.217 (Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:27:05 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:27:05 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:550 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32679 So I've been watching my hive with the swarm I put in it, and looking at the god-awful mess of plasticell and Duragilt frames I got with it (See my other posts if interested in details on the how of getting it) and I came up with what *SEEMS* like a viable idea... I've now got about 7.5 frames of plasticell that the swarm has drawn out to one extent or another (I guess this far along, they don't really qualify as a "swarm" anymore, huh?) with one that has me nicely impressed... I'm going to have a population explosion *REAL SOON NOW*... One frame is very close to *TOTALLY* filled with capped brood on both sides. MAYBE a hundred cells of honey/pollen between both sides of it. The rest is the tell-tale "crinkly yellow-ish cloth" looking stuff that screams "There's a bee under that lid, not honey". Anyway... I've got a second deep body, and frames to go with it. It's probably just about time to start thinking of putting that box on the stack, I'd say. Only one problem... The plasticell-loaded frames are skanky. Filthy... Layers of cocoons 10 deep in places, like crushed-into-the-cell pieces of paper, even after scraping off the slumped wax and taking a scrub-brush to them, cells filled with mud-dauber wasp nest leftovers, and so on. The duragilt... Well, let's not even go there... My bees don't even want to look at it, let alone use it, and it's heat-warped to useless anyway. So I'm left with a choice: Rip it all out and buy some new foundation, (at prices I can't really afford... this whole operation is contingent on me being able to do it with as close to zero monetary outlay as is humanly possible) or leave as-is. (utterly unnacceptable) So yesterday, I was in the hive, and I came up with a plan, of sorts... That's where you folks come in... Telling me if I'm being stupid, or if I've actually hit on something that's a "known-good idea". I propose to take chips and chunks of the "crazy-comb" that my swarm started making (and which I've pulled out as it forms, saving the chunks when they're anything more than an inch or so in size) and... Well, for lack of better wording "cram them into place" in the top groove of an otherwise empty frame. Sort of a "starting place' for the bees to build out the rest of the way. That'll accomplish two things for me, as I see it: 1) It'll give me some "eating honey" (I'm interested strictly in "in the comb" honey - I've got no interest whatsoever in the headaches of extracting, filtering, bottling, etc. etc. etc) 2) It'll give me (eventually) Drawn frames to do whatever I feel like doing with them, whether that "whatever" happens to be carving the whole mass loose from the frame and serving it on toast, scratching the tops off and letting the bees move it someplace else to give me clean, empty comb, melting it down for candles, or... ANYTHING! That's the whole point! :) So, what I'm trying to figure out here is this: Is the idea viable for a one-hive, purely hobby-level, minimal money-investment-mandatory, rookie with almost all second-hand gear? Is it even likely to succeed? What about brood? There have been a few (I've avoided them as much as possible except in the case of the absolute worst "offenses") sections of comb that have had small numbers of eggs and/or larvae in them (by small numbers, I mean 4, 5, 6, one had 9 cells worth - no, I'm not putting dead brood back into the box) when I've gotten them trimmed off. Would the bees be likely to be more interested in doing something with those segments than honey or pollen segments? What about a better way of anchoring the chunks? My method for the first attempt yesterday was to simply flatten the comb enough to fit into the top groove, then mash it into place, and wedge with a little roll of wax formed by squishing another small piece of comb and rolling it into a cylinder. Also, what about placement? The frame I did this with was one of the Duragilt-loaded ones that's been sitting in the hive (untouched by the bees) since I first dumped the swarm in. It was down at one end of the "stack" of frames, so that's probably at least part of it, but even so, it got your basic near zero bee-traffic on it. Even the plasticell frames that they aren't drawing have got a few bees on them, wandering around, cleaning up, laying propolis in the gaps where the frame doesn't quite touch the plastic, etc. I figured I'd get "wild-n-crazy", and put the "starter" frame right in the center of the brood-ball, in hopes of encouraging rapid building (if there's going to be any at all, that is - still have to wait and see on that score) Should I have done that, or have I likely done a bad thing? -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Odd (to a rookie) seeming behavior? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 51 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:47:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1025293677 209.204.149.217 (Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:47:57 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:47:57 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:551 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32680 Some of you have been following along with my "tales of the rookie" postings involving my first swarm of bees. In a nutshell, I've got one hive, currently in a single, deep box, (commercial pollinator style) 10 frames, mixed plasticell and duragilt foundation (And the bees are apparently swearing AT the duragilt rather than BY it...) They're making good progress - I've spottd the queen at least once (I think I saw her again yesterday, but was paying attention to something else, so I'm not sure - there's no question she's SOMEWHERE in there, though!) and she's laying like crazy. Foragers are leaving and returning in a steady stream, yesterday, almost all of them loaded with pollen-balls - I wonder what it is that's blooming this week? It's still about 1-2 weeks too early for the star thistle boom, though a few of them are staring to pop open here and there. Anyway, everything I know to look for says "happy, healthy, growing hive", except for one thing: I take care of horses, and to accomodate my non-horse employment schedule, I feed the four-leggers approximately noon and midnight so that they've got a consistent feeding time. (To those of you on the horse groups, and I know at least a couple of you are, they've adjusted well to it, and are doing just fine, so no lectures) The hive sits right near my mare's feeding location, so when I go out to feed at midnight-ish, it's pretty much impossible to not notice the status of the hive as I bring her hay to her. Since day one, there has always been a mass of bees on the front of the hive at night. It *ALMOST* looks like the cluster I know is supposed to be happening inside over the brood has "spilled" out through the entrance, and "soaked up" the front of the hive a short ways. When I put the light on them and take a good look, it's a mass of very slowly (not like they're chilled or anything, just "I've got better things to do, but I'll be darned if I know what they are, and I ain't in any hurry to find out" looking) milling bees. Nobody fanning, nobody dancing, just kinda "piled up" on the landing step, like they're o"dribbling" out of the hive through the entrance. If I lift the lid and look inside, there's plenty of room for everybody that's "on the porch", they're just not in there. What's up with that? Am I seeing something that I should be taking as a sign of a potential problem? If so, what is it, and how do I cure it? Or is this just a case of "Honey, I'm sleeping out on the porch tonight so I can watch the stars?" :) -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:56:07 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 164 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-201-28.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1025294289 news.dial.pipex.com 8511 62.190.201.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!info1.fnal.gov!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!lnewspeer00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32681 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter , entitled "Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs", jim wrote >These are all good reasons why REAL, HONEST research >is not a business, and one cannot leave research to >business, or trust the claims made by researchers >employed by "business" without clear and compelling >verification by other, disinterested parties. >(If you read back in the thread, Barry Birkley was >claiming that research needed to be viewed on the basis >of tangible, useful, short-term practical results. It >is exactly these pressures that lead to so much error and >half-truth in commercially-sponsored research.) > >>> The USDA ARS Bee Labs have no equal anywhere on the planet. > >> Bollocks. > >A well-written, fact-filled, and insightful rebuttal like that from >the home of the English language leaves me with only one >possible reply. "Put up, or shut up." > >Seriously, I wish the UK and EU would "put up" - everyone >would be delighted to see other countries fund some >serious bee research to the extent that the USA has done. > >Understand that I was not bragging, I was complaining about the >stunning lack of scientists working on the issues near and dear >to our hearts. Ah, if only things were still so simple in the world today. Vested interests are everywhere. Half-truths exist in studies because whole truths don't fit the desired, pre-determined outcomes. Can any of us genuinely believe that the governments of the Western world (okay, okay! The WHOLE world, then!) are not completely bought and sold by big business vested interests? Can there still be such purity of heart and naïveté within some of us as to suggest that the huge bodies that control the workings of the world's economies really do have the interests and well-being of humanity at heart? Can we really be ignorant of the fact that the USDA is now run by Monsanto operatives, put into "office" by their good friend Dubya, in thanks for their corporation's generosity in the long slog of his campaign for power? (search in misc.activism.progressive for the news articles stating names and former Monsanto job descriptions -- failing that, if you are genuinely interested, I shall search the archive myself and post it to you at a later date). When I hear news of planned closures of anything at all useful or genuinely scientific nowadays, it is never any surprise. You can guess next year's policies by the quiet "budgetary" movements today. There is no need to invent conspiracies -- let the news unfold for itself. For instance, at the beginning of this year, the UK government put policies into effect that closed down 28 nursing homes in our area alone, many thousands more nationwide. No one knew what could be done, and a lot of old folks, mentally ill and disabled people are having to be absorbed into (already overcrowded) hospital facilities. Two months after all these closures, Mr. Blair became (in the news, at any rate) the hero of the National Health Service by announcing plans to open 18,000 new "care in the community" centres (i.e. -- nursing homes of various descriptions), to help solve the problems of hospital overcrowding. It would be nice to think of all this policy moving and shaking as the Great New Labour hearing the voice of its Sovereign People, but in this day and age, it was obvious to a good many health professionals that the entire exercise was one of creating an image of positive publicity, and of quietly reshuffling the ownership and contract agreements for as many nursing centres as they possibly could without all the fuss of genuine negotiation with the doctors, nurses, etc, involved in the changes. And people still wonder at the present news of Socialist breakaways within the Unions seeking to sever ties with New Labour! Saved from the viper by a scorpion! O tempora! O mores! It is indeed a shame that an important bee research facility is coming under the axe over in the US. Chances are, someone there was too honest, probably (venturing a theory, here) worrying too much about results concerning the effects of, say, the excess spraying of pesticides used in the production of GM crops, on the longterm welfare of bees... Anyway, without getting myself branded too badly as a "conspiracy theorist" and without upsetting anyone too much (I do not wish to upset any of you in here, this is a nice group, and I enjoy reading the letters and learning more and more about bees through the "shared experience" that the dialogues provide), I would like to say that in these bought-and-sold times, the more we can do to help ourselves and each other by, when necessary, doing our own research, the better off we will all be in the long run. After all, "new research" nowadays often only results in new products we will all be compelled, or coerced, into buying. As for sound research funded by the EU: Directive 96/23 has ruled that, because bees are food producing animals, it is only legal to treat bees for varroa (and other diseases) with licensed products, otherwise fines of £5,000 are payable (Did YOU know THAT?). So if you live in an EU state and you've ever tried talc, formic acid, oxalic acid or lactic acid, mineral oil, mustard-and-ketchup-with-relish-in-a-sprayer etc., you are technically in violation of this directive, and could "legally" be fined. Why's it like that? Well, common substances like talc and oxalic acid can't be licensed because they cannot be patented (unless we start moving towards a more "liberal" patenting system like the one over in the US, where you can patent just about anything -- like the _idea_ of genetically modified cotton, which is not the same as the cotton itself, remember). Technically, the only option we have in Europe is to buy Bayer's product Bayvarol to get rid of the varroa mites. Which, if we haven't yet noticed, is quickly becoming less and less effective as the mites gain resistance... I think the sooner we realise that we're on our own, that we should not expect to rely on the services of any state, the better off we'll be. If we don't say bollocks to a lot of those directives designed to "protect us" from ourselves and our own ingenuity, we will only wind up with more and more bollocks on top of us. We forget that science started with little folks just like us. Remember what they should have taught you in school about the scientific method: Observation, Hypothesis, Experimentation, Result. Here is science: "A small amount of salt in my food makes it taste good to me. I wager that if I put a lot of salt in it, it will taste even better. Now to eat my spaghetti. Yuck! My hypothesis was incorrect. Must write that down..." Here is not science: "The American Egg Council has told us to come up with a result that proves that people can safely eat one egg a day and suffer no ill effects from cholesterol -- how do we arrange the data?" I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to fund _that_ kind of research with their tax money. How to know that a research centre is doing real science? Well, a new advisory and auditing committee is NOT the answer... Business interests run the world right now, but it will not last forever. The facade will crumble, and we will be left to pick up our own pieces sooner or later. We fool ourselves into believing that all will be well indefinitely -- but even Greek civilisation at it's height only lasted for some 200 years... "Ah, true," you may well say, "but they did not have Bayvarol..." How about some more of that "rugged individualism" we saw in Teddy Roosevelt's days, before things all went so badly wrong? I'd say that would be "Bully!" with kind regards, Kelly Anderson /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 32682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Jeff Cook" Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: A bright idea. Or maybe a hare-brained scheme? Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:09:17 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.233.185.11 X-Trace: news.webusenet.com 1025294770 207.233.185.11 (Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:06:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:06:10 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.telusplanet.net!peer1-sjc1.usenetserver.com.MISMATCH!ps01-sjc1!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:552 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32682 never separate your brood "Don Bruder" wrote in message news:dM2T8.9072$54.29431@typhoon.sonic.net... > > I figured I'd get "wild-n-crazy", and put > the "starter" frame right in the center of the brood-ball, in hopes of > encouraging rapid building ... > have I likely done a bad thing? > Article 32683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Easybee wanted Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:30:58 +0100 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: <3d1a4221.132459863@news1.radix.net> <3d1c3832.31683923@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.dwimordene.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1025296074 16513 62.136.164.104 (28 Jun 2002 20:27:54 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2002 20:27:54 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32683 Give the record player a shove. :-) On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 10:20:17 GMT, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: >On Fri, 28 Jun 2002 00:10:15 +0100, Steve Newport > wrote: >Especially with the 4th of July just around the corner. >beekeep Article 32684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Easybee wanted Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:31:50 +0100 Lines: 8 Message-ID: References: <20020628020648.14978.00000265@mb-fs.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.dwimordene.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1025296126 16513 62.136.164.104 (28 Jun 2002 20:28:46 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2002 20:28:46 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.esat.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32684 Is this as in a cappings melter type thing. Have you a picture please? On 28 Jun 2002 06:06:48 GMT, wvapiaries@aol.com (WVApiaries) wrote: >I've got a spare one for sale in good condition, what's it worth. >Wye Valley Apiaries, Monmouth. Article 32685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bright idea. Or maybe a hare-brained scheme? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 27 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:31:43 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.217 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1025296303 209.204.149.217 (Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:31:43 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:31:43 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:556 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32685 In article , "Jeff Cook" wrote: > never separate your brood Reason? Especially since I can see that the bees have done so themselves in this hive? (There's a near-full frame of honey/pollen with practically nothing for brood on it, on either face, that was quite near the center of the brood-cluster when I got to looking at it a few days ago. And no, it wasn't me putting frames back wrong - I'm more religious about that than about religion, if you get my drift.) > > "Don Bruder" wrote in message > news:dM2T8.9072$54.29431@typhoon.sonic.net... > > > > > I figured I'd get "wild-n-crazy", and put > > the "starter" frame right in the center of the brood-ball, in hopes of > > encouraging rapid building ... > > have I likely done a bad thing? -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:45:42 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-104.dwimordene.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1025296958 19121 62.136.164.104 (28 Jun 2002 20:42:38 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2002 20:42:38 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.9/32.560 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!btnet-peer1!btnet-peer0!btnet-peer!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32686 > Seriously, I wish the UK and EU would "put up" - everyone would be > delighted to see other countries fund some serious bee research to the > extent that the USA has done. Yes, suppose we ought to get serious - too much frivolity. The EU does. Not the UK as far as I am aware but, then you have to be realistic here, the UK isn't exactly honey heaven. The USA puts so much money into the research program because you have one of the largest honey producing economies in the World with a climate span capable of producing large quantities of honey. In short, its in your interests to fund the research. The real countries that should be at the center of this are China, USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and Mexico (not necessarily in any order) British Beekeepers do campaign for a large research budget and we do have research facilities but with honey yields measured in 30lb buckets per season don't hold your breath. Article 32687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: 28 Jun 2002 14:11:06 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-372.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32687 "beekeep" said: > Oxalic acid has been approved for varroa control in in > some european countries and is being used in Canada as well. The US > doesn't have and never will. Why? I'll tell you why - you can buy > the stuff off the shelf in the harware store for $6 per 12 ounces > which will treat over 200 hives. Nobody will bother to register it as > a miteacide because FDA (translate federal gov't) approval costs are > very expensive. There is no profit to be made so nobody including > USDA is going to seek it's approval. ...and Kelly Anderson added: > ...common substances like talc and oxalic > acid can't be licensed because they cannot be patented Both statements are 100% fact-free, uninformed drivel. Registration and licensing have NOTHING to do with patents. One certainly can register an "unpatentable" mite-control product. Menthol for tracheal mites is the obvious example. Formic Acid, which is just as cheap as Oxalic Acid, >>HAS<< been approved by the EPA, et al. There are some packaging problems with the "gel pack", but this is not some conspiracy, it is a simple issue of not wanting to have the darned things leak in the mail! jim Article 32688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steppler@cici.mb.ca (Ian) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey bees vs. Leaf cutter bees Date: 28 Jun 2002 14:40:05 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <86NS8.1$fZ6.139@client> NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.56.136.17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1025300406 16778 127.0.0.1 (28 Jun 2002 21:40:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Jun 2002 21:40:06 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32688 "Denise" wrote in message news:<86NS8.1$fZ6.139@client>... > Does any one know any significant differences in the two types of bees, for > example flight patterns in a typical field, how do they vary. Any other > differences would be greatly appreciated. Leafcutter bees are a solitare insect. They feed off nectar and collect leaf material to make nesting for their eggs. Honeybees are a social insect. The honeybee participates in sharing various jobs in the hive at different times of their lives which enables the colony to survive year round. The colony is orginized by the queens pharmones. Leafcutter bees are used primarly for pollination. They do not collect or store nectar, but only feed on it. Leafcutters are used in forage seed fields because when placed in a field, they work only on the surrounding 1-5 acres surrounding their nest and ensures even field pollination by placing nests through out the field. Honeybees are managed primarlly for honey production, sencodary for pollination servives. They do collect and store nectar in which we take as honey. They also pollinate surrounding fields but don't focus their efforts on a spacific field. They tend to fly to where the riched nectar is flowing, and their range may be several miles. Honeybees can though, depending on the crop, increase the crop yield up to 25%-35%. Article 32689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 2 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: advanspec@aol.com.ze (ADVANSPEC) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Jun 2002 21:41:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: test Message-ID: <20020628174129.21821.00000730@mb-ml.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!newsfeed.nyc.globix.net!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32689 x-noarchive: yes vvvvvv xxxxxx c Article 32690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 12 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 28 Jun 2002 23:57:58 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Odd (to a rookie) seeming behavior? Message-ID: <20020628195758.22569.00000844@mb-cl.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!dca6-feed2.news.algx.net!allegiance!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey04.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32690 It's hot, the hive is crowded. the foragers would just be in the way in the brood nest. Keep bringing your foundation up to but not into the brood nest. I can't tell you how much I dislike duragilt. You should be feeding if you don't have drawn comb. Horses and bees don't mix, been there done that. Some of the fly and skeeter sprays really set the bees off. Article 32691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JX Brown" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bee I.D.? Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.126.67.236 X-Complaints-To: abuse@prodigy.net X-Trace: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com 1025316196 ST000 66.126.67.236 (Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:03:16 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 22:03:16 EDT Organization: Prodigy Internet http://www.prodigy.com X-UserInfo1: F[O[S\[D[JWABPXXNCOF_W\@PJ_^PBQLGPQRJVMHQAVTUZ]CLNTCPFK[WDXDHV[K^FCGJCJLPF_D_NCC@FUG^Q\DINVAXSLIFXYJSSCCALP@PB@\OS@BITWAH\CQZKJMMD^SJA^NXA\GVLSRBD^M_NW_F[YLVTWIGAXAQBOATKBBQRXECDFDMQ\DZFUE@\JM Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:03:16 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!newscon02.news.prodigy.com!newsmst01.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!newssvr21.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!ac58dffb!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32691 Does anyone know of any websites with bee pictures for identification? I saw a bee in the vegetable garden that I didn't recognize. It was a bit chunkier and larger than a honey bee and solid black except for a thin yellow band around its rear and a spot of yellow on top of its head. I suppose that I could schlep off to the library and look up an insect field guide, but the internet makes one so lazy. Article 32692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Christopher Petree" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Lazy Bees? Is this normal looking? Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:50:23 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <20020626193738.20106.00000898@mb-me.aol.com> <3d1aac6e$0$7925$bb624dac@diablo.uninet.ee> Reply-To: "Christopher Petree" NNTP-Posting-Host: 43.f0.18.50 X-Server-Date: 29 Jun 2002 03:50:30 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed0.news.atl.earthlink.net!news.atl.earthlink.net!news.mindspring.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32692 When the colonies are small and can't defend themselves against larger colonies you have, it is best to move those small colonies a few miles away until they build to strength. If moving is not a viable option, then you will probably need to reduce the entrance so that the guard bees have less to protect. The best cure for robbing is to never get it started in the first place. If the nectar flow stops, do not examine colonies unless it is absolutely necessary. When you do examine them, keep the hive open for the least amount of time as possible. Try not to spill anything sweet (sugar water or honey) close to the hives as this could start robbing. Don't feed weak colonies on the outside with Boardman feeders; if feeding is necessary, use internal methods such a inverted pail feeder with a hive body covering. As long as a good nectar flow is on, robbing should not be a problem. Bees are vicious when it comes to their neighbors--if they see a vulnerable colony they take advantage of it. Christopher Petree Article 32693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Odd (to a rookie) seeming behavior? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <20020628195758.22569.00000844@mb-cl.aol.com> Posted-And-Mailed: yes User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 43 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 04:35:49 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1025325349 209.204.149.226 (Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:35:49 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:35:49 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!unlnews.unl.edu!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32693 In article <20020628195758.22569.00000844@mb-cl.aol.com>, beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) wrote: > It's hot, the hive is crowded. the foragers would just be in the way in the > brood nest. Keep bringing your foundation up to but not into the brood nest. > I > can't tell you how much I dislike duragilt. You should be feeding if you > don't > have drawn comb. > Horses and bees don't mix, been there done that. > Some of the fly and skeeter sprays really set the bees off. NO insecticide/repellent sprays used around here. So far, horses plus bees have equaled out to "zero problem". I've got some drawn comb (about 7.5 frames worth in one deep box, getting ready to throw on a second deep box real soon, I think) just not ALL drawn yet. Was feeding at the beginning, but they slowed down so much on taking it that I adopted a "stop feeding and see what happens" stance. (Went from slurping down a liter a day, to a liter still having some in it at the end of the third day) No visible change. (so far) They've been in this box for coming up on... 5 weeks? Yeah, tomorrow will be exactly 5 weeks. When I throw the second box on top of the stack, I plan on restarting with feeding, if only to encourage drawing behavior. should have plenty of fresh bees to do the work, based on the brood I'm seeing. Ought to be a right proper population explosion real soon now. According to my math, just a bit shy of 10K of the little buzzers when the frame I mentioned in my posting "breaks open" - It's packed almost completely "wall to wall and floor to ceiling" with capped brood on both sides, with a *VERY* few honey and pollen cells (a border that's three cells wide in a few places, but only two cells for most of it) on each face. Looks like Her Royal Highness laid a *really* *REALLY* tight pattern on that one. I only see about 4 drone caps on it, with one or two here and there on other frames, and so far, only two active drones in the box when I've gone in to check on things. Idunno what an "old hand" would think from taking a look in my box, but I'm quite impressed. They seem to have set up shop and really gone into overdrive. -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee I.D.? Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 24 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 04:40:41 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1025325641 209.204.149.226 (Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:40:41 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 21:40:41 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!HSNX.atgi.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32694 In article , "JX Brown" wrote: > Does anyone know of any websites with bee pictures for identification? I > saw a bee in the vegetable garden that I didn't recognize. It was a bit > chunkier and larger than a honey bee and solid black except for a thin > yellow band around its rear and a spot of yellow on top of its head. I > suppose that I could schlep off to the library and look up an insect field > guide, but the internet makes one so lazy. > > Try here: http://bumbleboosters.unl.edu/ident/identify.htm Jus be aware that it apparently doesn't work on non-Nebraska-native bumbles... -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Notice: My former ( dakidd@primenet.com / Dakidd@aaahawk.com ) addresses are now defunct. Mail sent to either address WILL NOT BE SEEN. Article 32695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Used Equipment needed Lines: 14 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 06:52:07 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.183 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1025333527 67.227.206.183 (Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:52:07 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:52:07 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!454fbea8!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32695 I need a 2 or 4 frame hand cranked extractor and a capping knife or plane. Iwas not planning on needing these my first year but these little buggars are filling up my suppers faster than I can do anything about them.. I just added my last super to my swarmed coleny and now have 4 full supers on it and 1 with new foundation... I pulled all the frames out of it that had drawn comb and put new frames and new wax foundation in there maybe that will slow them down a bit.. I am going to get me some more new frames and wax foundation Monday. Ill pull the full frames out of one of the other supers and replace them with more new frames... Brian Article 32696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: alt.hobbies.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: A bright idea. Or maybe a hare-brained scheme? Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 08:14:53 +0100 Organization: Gadgeland Lines: 41 Sender: spamblock@spamblock.com Message-ID: References: Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: modem-2609.cheetah.dialup.pol.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1025334740 20091 217.134.106.49 (29 Jun 2002 07:12:20 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Jun 2002 07:12:20 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!spamblock.com!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu alt.hobbies.beekeeping:579 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32696 On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Don Bruder wrote: >So yesterday, I was in the hive, and I came up with a plan, of sorts... >That's where you folks come in... Telling me if I'm being stupid, or if >I've actually hit on something that's a "known-good idea". > >I propose to take chips and chunks of the "crazy-comb" that my swarm >started making (and which I've pulled out as it forms, saving the chunks >when they're anything more than an inch or so in size) and... Well, for >lack of better wording "cram them into place" in the top groove of an >otherwise empty frame. Sort of a "starting place' for the bees to build >out the rest of the way. That'll accomplish two things for me, as I see >it: > >1) It'll give me some "eating honey" (I'm interested strictly in "in the >comb" honey - I've got no interest whatsoever in the headaches of >extracting, filtering, bottling, etc. etc. etc) Sounds like you ought to look into top bar hives matey, they would suit your low tech approach. Have a look at some of these sites; http://outdoorplace.org/beekeeping/kenya.htm http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm http://www.ccdemo.info/GardenBees/KTBH.html http://nanaimo.ark.com/~cberube/ktbh.htm http://beetalk.tripod.com/tbh.htm http://www.apis.demon.co.uk/beekeeping/newsletters/December-97.html#TBH http://sunsite.sut.ac.jp/pub/academic/agriculture/entomology/beekeeping/g eneral/management/top_bar_faqs/tbhfaq2.txt -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 32697 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Used Equipment needed Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 06:08:50 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 26 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.siscom.net!sn-xit-04!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32697 where are you located i have a hand crank extractor -- Don't let fear or good judgment hold you back "Wuffman" wrote in message news:rOcT8.1373$uT4.159@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > I need a 2 or 4 frame hand cranked extractor and a capping knife or plane. > Iwas not planning on needing these my first year but these little buggars > are filling up my suppers faster than I can do anything about them.. I just > added my last super to my swarmed coleny and now have 4 full supers on it > and 1 with new foundation... I pulled all the frames out of it that had > drawn comb and put new frames and new wax foundation in there maybe that > will slow them down a bit.. I am going to get me some more new frames and > wax foundation Monday. Ill pull the full frames out of one of the other > supers and replace them with more new frames... > > Brian > > > Article 32698 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:43:23 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <3d1d9c3c.122829725@news1.radix.net> References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23.a1.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32698 On 28 Jun 2002 14:11:06 -0700, jim wrote: >"beekeep" said: > >> Oxalic acid has been approved for varroa control in in >> some european countries and is being used in Canada as well. The US >> doesn't have and never will. Why? I'll tell you why - you can buy >> the stuff off the shelf in the harware store for $6 per 12 ounces >> which will treat over 200 hives. Nobody will bother to register it as >> a miteacide because FDA (translate federal gov't) approval costs are >> very expensive. There is no profit to be made so nobody including >> USDA is going to seek it's approval. > >...and Kelly Anderson added: > >> ...common substances like talc and oxalic >> acid can't be licensed because they cannot be patented > >Both statements are 100% fact-free, uninformed drivel. > >Registration and licensing have NOTHING to do with patents. >One certainly can register an "unpatentable" mite-control product. >Menthol for tracheal mites is the obvious example. You can't just go down to the local hardware store and buy menthol. > >Formic Acid, which is just as cheap as Oxalic Acid, >>HAS<< been >approved by the EPA, et al. There are some packaging problems >with the "gel pack", but this is not some conspiracy, it is a simple >issue of not wanting to have the darned things leak in the mail! > I think the formic acid packaging thing was just an excuse to pull a commercial blunder off the market. You will never see it again. While one can get formic acid, it is very dangerous and most of us don't wan't to fool with it in the field. beekeep > > jim > Article 32699 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Lines: 13 X-Admin: news@aol.com From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Date: 29 Jun 2002 13:32:49 GMT References: Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Subject: Re: Used Equipment needed Message-ID: <20020629093249.23292.00001264@mb-co.aol.com> Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey05.news.aol.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32699 Look into cappings scratchers especially when you just start out as all the comb isn't fully drawn out or even. Don't scratch slide them along under the cappings. Cheap too about 6$ new The plastic handled ones last about 8000 lbs if you straigten bent tines carefully. Article 32700 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Used Equipment needed Lines: 42 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:20:32 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1025385632 67.227.206.162 (Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:20:32 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:20:32 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32700 Brian Martin 4092 State street Salem Oregon 97301 USA, Planet Earth :o) "Bob Seaman" wrote in message news:uhqu8qg1rqsc4e@corp.supernews.com... > where are you located i have a hand crank extractor > > -- > > > Don't let fear or good judgment > hold you back > "Wuffman" wrote in message > news:rOcT8.1373$uT4.159@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > > I need a 2 or 4 frame hand cranked extractor and a capping knife or plane. > > Iwas not planning on needing these my first year but these little buggars > > are filling up my suppers faster than I can do anything about them.. I > just > > added my last super to my swarmed coleny and now have 4 full supers on it > > and 1 with new foundation... I pulled all the frames out of it that had > > drawn comb and put new frames and new wax foundation in there maybe that > > will slow them down a bit.. I am going to get me some more new frames and > > wax foundation Monday. Ill pull the full frames out of one of the other > > supers and replace them with more new frames... > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > > Article 32701 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Wuffman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <20020629093249.23292.00001264@mb-co.aol.com> Subject: Re: Used Equipment needed Lines: 31 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 21:24:30 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.227.206.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 1025385870 67.227.206.162 (Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:24:30 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:24:30 PDT Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!west.cox.net!cox.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32701 Well I think I better spend the money now and get proper equipment. I am hooked and I am going to set me 5 or 6 more hives this summer/winter and then get more bees in the spring.... I may get me some nuc boxes too and a bee vac so I can go get swarms. from experiance and from listening to gabber from others swarms tend to do better than packaged/nuc coleneys.... Brian I am like a fish that swallowed hook line and sinker.... "BeeCrofter" wrote in message news:20020629093249.23292.00001264@mb-co.aol.com... > Look into cappings scratchers > especially when you just start out as all the comb isn't fully drawn out or > even. > Don't scratch slide them along under the cappings. > Cheap too about 6$ new > The plastic handled ones last about 8000 lbs if you straigten bent tines > carefully. > > > > > > Article 32702 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Muddawg" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larva Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 20:31:24 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: <3d1e2222$1_2@news.newsgroups.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com Lines: 25 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!DirecTVinternet!DirecTV-DSL!sn-xit-03!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32702 Not a silly question! Sometimes bees through out diseased larva, varroa infested larva, or even healthy larva if they are starving(less mouths to feed). There may be other reasons as well such as drone brood in the fall to get ready for winter. Best Wishes, -- Muddawg (Tennessee,USA) wrote in message news:3d1e2222$1_2@news.newsgroups.com... > Why did my bees throw a larva out of the front door? (Sorry if this is a > silly question. I'm new at this.) > > Steve > > West Yorkshire England > > > -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- > http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- Article 32703 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Green" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Bee I.D.? Lines: 20 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 02:01:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.31.194.116 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.southeast.rr.com 1025402485 24.31.194.116 (Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:01:25 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 22:01:25 EDT Organization: Road Runner - Columbia Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!cyclone.tampabay.rr.com!news-post.tampabay.rr.com!twister.southeast.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32703 Although it's not comprehensive, you might find your critter at this site: http://www.pollinator.com/identify/whatsbuzzin.htm Dave Green SC USA The Pollination Home Page (Now searchable): http://pollinator.com "JX Brown" wrote in message news:Ez8T8.133$TI3.7668878@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > Does anyone know of any websites with bee pictures for identification? I > saw a bee in the vegetable garden that I didn't recognize. It was a bit > chunkier and larger than a honey bee and solid black except for a thin > yellow band around its rear and a spot of yellow on top of its head. I > suppose that I could schlep off to the library and look up an insect field > guide, but the internet makes one so lazy. > > Article 32704 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: JAF Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Re: Swarm Cell? Organization: Or Chaos? You Choose! Message-ID: <3tithu8066fngsjajkkmi3mceh5q3d8g35@4ax.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 X-No-Archive: yes MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 7 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:13:42 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.1.219.139 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news8-gui.server.ntli.net 1025428422 80.1.219.139 (Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:13:42 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:13:42 BST Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!kibo.news.demon.net!demon!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news8-gui.server.ntli.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32704 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:594 On Thu, 30 May 2002 22:12:50 GMT, "Ken Bullock" wrote: >I think that is a little obvious..... Ken..... Shirley not? Article 32705 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <7ebzbLAkPwH9EwSI@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:13:08 +0100 From: Kelly and Sandy Reply-To: Kelly and Sandy Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs References: <3d1a427c.132550239@news1.radix.net> Organization: ALMA Services MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Lines: 196 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62-190-200-162.pdu.pipex.net X-Trace: 1025442913 news.dial.pipex.com 231 62.190.200.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@uk.uu.net Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.wind.surfnet.nl!surfnet.nl!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!bnewspeer00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!bnewsifeed00.bru.ops.eu.uu.net!lnewspost00.lnd.ops.eu.uu.net!emea.uu.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32705 In sci.agriculture.beekeeping newsletter , entitled "Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs", jim wrote >Registration and licensing have NOTHING to do with patents. >One certainly can register an "unpatentable" mite-control product. >Menthol for tracheal mites is the obvious example. This _is_ interesting. Can you please explain more clearly what you mean? Surely there is some claim that a potential licence holder must be able to make in order to have it licensed or registered (which, in the practical world, means he has a product he wants to sell, for which he very likely _does_ own a patent). Beekeep rightly remarked that there is little incentive for an individual or body (whether it be a governmental organization or a company) to register and licence a substance that can currently be bought at the hardware store in bulk for next to nothing. That is not uninformed drivel, nor, I think, is his observation that apart from ourselves, no one gives a damn about our bees. Those are not statements defaming "caring" organisations, they rather reflect the reality that the God of the present Aeon is worshipped in the form of Profits and Market Share. There is no "incentive" to licence common substances because the forces that guide the world just about preclude all thought of doing such a thing without some other motivating factor -- namely, a profit. Beekeep is also right to say that you can't just go into the hardware store and buy menthol. This is when I realised that we had a case of crossed wires. Jim is thinking in terms of Products, whereas others among us are not necessarily doing the same. "Menthol" may indeed be registered, but you can be sure that whatever product you do wind up buying is not likely to be pure "menthol". I would be interested to find out the particulars of how menthol got to be registered: it is the "active ingredient", when reduced to its chemical formula, of peppermint oil or oil of wintergreen. The fact that menthol is registered does not _necessarily_ mean that you can use any old peppermint oil on your bees, or any old snake-oil emulsion "containing menthol" that comes along. I suspect that you would find that the "end products" have their own regulatory and licensing procedures, so that while menthol _can_ be used, a "preparation" _containing_ menthol (such as peppermint oil rendered from plants in your garden), would be subject to some other approval procedure. I hope I am wrong about this -- perhaps Jim knows? I suspect we would find that menthol got its approval because it was touted as the active ingredient in a patented product that wanted approving. I know that menthol has been used for many years on the tracheal mite, because there was an appeal by the Ministry of Agriculture in the UK just after WWII to get beekeepers in Britain to keep a cloth soaked in oil of wintergreen (the recommended container for the cloth was an old cigarette tin with holes punched in the lid) in the bottoms of their hives from June to October, for three successive seasons, intended to eradicate the mite disease from Britain. Presumably you _could_ just go into the hardware store or the chemists and buy it then. Or you could do like we crazy woods folks do, and _make_ it yourself, but then you might be breaching some law if you do. I would be interested to know if that is or is not the case. While it may be technically true that we are full of "uninformed drivel" (rather unkindly put, Jim!) concerning the ins and outs of the registration and licensing laws of our respective countries or "member states", the practical observations about the results on "end-users" of the present licensing and registration system are not to be dismissed. If you're a small- or medium-sized beekeeper who earns his living by keeping bees and selling honey, you are not _technically_ constrained by the licensing and registration laws: if you want to try atomising milk over your hives as an experimental treatment for varroa, you can do it - - you just can't sell the honey. Whether or not you can sell the other honey from hives on the same premises as that experimental hive, I don't know, and neither will the beekeeper who proposes to try it unless he starts making enquiries (nowadays, not a thing one would necessarily want to do, messing with all that bureaucracy, and possibly drawing unwanted attention to oneself). There are so many constraints on people ("producers") now, ostensibly for the protection of "consumers", that in practice, any such ingenuity or spirit of experimentation tends to be forced into submission and suppressed long before it gets to any licensing or registering process. If you stand to have your livelihood severely limited by carrying out any such innovations as your ingenuity may suggest, there is little incentive to do them. And this, coming back to our original subject, is why practically all the research is now confined to laboratories and "research centres". It used to be that research, no matter where it was done, most often came bubbling up from the "man in the field" -- from farmers, or beekeepers, or doctors, making observations about things that surprised them in their working. In practice, though there is no law in place that specifically prohibits us, this is now no longer practicable because of other (mainly financial) constraints that we all face. I don't sell honey, so if I want to, I can, technically, spray my hives with anything I want. If I make a great discovery, I can tell all of you about it in this newsgroup, but you may not be able to use whatever I'm telling you about because you're, technically, constrained by the food laws that govern your region, and may render yourself without a source of income by following my lead. I'd have to go about getting my discovery registered and licensed before you could take advantage of it. The only way I could go through that whole process without incurring a severe strain on my finances (assuming also that I have the time to do it), is to try to develop some Product containing the "discovered" substance (which substance I will cleverly call my "active ingredient", and render into modern pseudo- Latin or chemical notation, just to dissuade you all from doing the same as I did), patent this formula, and get _that_ licensed for sale. Since I haven't the time or the money or the inclination to deal with bureaucracy, I'm not going to do that, so we all lose out in the end unless I instead devote my energies to trying to convince some company or body to listen to my discovery: a thing they are unlikely to do nowadays unless I am an Accredited Research Scientist. So, no matter how deeply one may nit-pick the way I express it, or my misapprehension of the "facts", we all lose out. Formic acid may now be approved, and that's jolly good -- but it will be the "gel packs" that you'll be paying for, and that will be one of the Products licensed for approval that you will be compelled to buy -- unless, of course, you start raiding the ant-hills around your house: better check the animal protection laws in your area first, though... Before I shut up again for the next few months, please also understand that many folks' observations and (developed) distrust about the Way Things Work Now, does not necessarily constitute a belief in conspiracies or secret New World Orders at all. Personally, I don't think we're clever enough as a species to _successfully_ pull off any such thing. If there appears to be a strange new world order emerging (a novus ordo seclorum, as the back of the dollar -- I think rather appropriately -- says), it is only the convergence of many forces and special interests at work in their own spheres -- they converge not out of conspiracy, but out of individual workings towards what only happens to be a "common" goal, which is (more likely than not) to get as much money, in whatever form it takes (oil, patents, third-world water supplies), as possible. When I talk about "the forces that guide the world" I, myself, am not talking strictly about individuals, corporations, and entities, but include also the ideas and the shifts in morality of the times: the basic assumptions that people take for granted as part of their own cultural inheritance when they make simple decisions in day-to-day life, which cannot be easily quantified in limited scientific terms, but which exist and influence us all nonetheless. Some people call it the "collective unconscious", but it is not quite that, either. These are the underpinnings of all the tendencies you manifest as you go about your day-to-day life -- the underpinnings which all the advertising, publicity campaigns, public reports of dubiously-funded research, omissions in school curricula, seek to alter or eliminate to make you more or less disposed to certain ideas, manners, or products. We are all influenced by these underpinnings, whether we become or remain conscious of them or not -- from my dog, right down to the President of the USA -- it is this collective history wherein the real flow of existence can be said to reside (some idiots have hit upon a similar notion and tried to "prove" it by calling it "genetic memory", and limiting it to precisely that which it is not). Call it Tao if you want. All of this, of course, can be dismissed as mumbo-jumbo, but have you ever stopped to consider, beyond your own set of comfortable response mechanisms, _why_ you think you like the white bread you buy in the shops, or _why_ you think garlic smells bad? If I told you it was instilled in you unconsciously by the forgotten remnant of a Victorian device for asserting your class distinction, and that you picked it up out of the aether, as it were (as opposed to a vested interest who requires that predilection in you in order to start a revolution in your grandson's era), you'd never, never deign to believe me, but: there it is. It is not just governmental decisions or the "will of the people" that guides our civilisation: the current of human existence is much deeper than that; it is the failure to grasp this and to retain it in our knowledge as a whole that leads to the stagnation of a people, and the "inevitable return to barbarism" that soon after ensues. So even though writing to your Congressthing is unlikely to change the budget decisions or to sort out the problems of a stagnant, bloated system worldwide, it _does_ add to the flow of things, and have its influence, even if it seems to sink into nothing when a standard letter arrives in the return post thanking you for voicing your concerns on the vital issues affecting (insert issue name here). There. I'm done now. You're on your own from here. Kind regards, Kelly Anderson /* C A U T I O N E X P L O S I V E B O L T S -- REMOVE BEFORE ENGAGING REPLY // // Kelly and Sandy Anderson // (alternatively kelsan_odoodle at ya who period, see oh em) // Homepages http://www.explosive-alma-services-bolts.dial.pipex.com/ // PGP signature of Alexander "Sandy" L.M. Anderson: // 1B5A DF3D A3D9 B932 39EB 3F1B 981F 4110 27E1 64A4 */ Article 32706 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: larva References: <3d1e2222$1_2@news.newsgroups.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 13:49:38 GMT X-Newsreader: News Rover 7.4.3 (http://www.NewsRover.com) Message-ID: <3d1e6007_1@anonymous> Lines: 13 X-Comments: This message did not originate from the Sender address. It was posted through Newsfeed.com's exclusive, publicly accessible anonymous Usenet Server. X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeed.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Steve -----------== Posted via Newsfeed.Com - Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeed.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----= Over 100,000 Newsgroups - Unlimited Fast Downloads - 19 Servers =----- Article 32707 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Denise" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey bee vs Leaf cutter bees Lines: 5 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 09:39:05 -0700 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.145.159.170 X-Trace: client 1025447647 216.145.159.170 (Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:34:07 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 10:34:07 EDT Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!news-in-sterling.newsfeed.com!dfw-feed.news.verio.net!phl-feed.news.verio.net!newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!peerfeed.news.psi.net!filter.news.psi.net!psinr!client!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32707 Has any one done any observation research on the flight patterns of these two types of bees? Flight patterns in a typical field, Do they fly straight down a row or cross over? Info would be greatly appreciated. Article 32708 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: jim Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Write your Senators and Congressperson. Keep the Bee Labs Date: 30 Jun 2002 09:42:05 -0700 Organization: Newsguy News Service [http://newsguy.com] Lines: 111 Message-ID: References: <7ebzbLAkPwH9EwSI@gsn04.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p-074.newsdawg.com X-Newsreader: Direct Read News 2.96 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!nntp.upenn.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!pln-e!spln!dex!extra.newsguy.com!newsp.newsguy.com!drn Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32708 Kelly Anderson said: > Can you please explain more clearly what you mean? > Surely there is some claim that a potential licence holder must > be able to make in order to have it licensed or registered (which, in > the practical world, means he has a product he wants to sell, for which > he very likely _does_ own a patent). There is no "license", there is only approval by health/pesticide authorities. One can register a proprietary formulation, or one can register a common chemical or substance. Patents are optional. Patents are also time-consuming and expensive enough to make them impractical when one's market is limited to beekeepers. Profits would likely never pay for the expense of getting a patent in most cases. > Beekeep rightly remarked that there is little incentive for an > individual or body (whether it be a governmental organization or a > company) to register and licence a substance that can currently be > bought at the hardware store in bulk for next to nothing. While individuals and companies may not want to take the time, effort, and money to register a common substance, government researchers certainly would do so, if there was proof that the substance was effective. > That is not uninformed drivel, Sorry to be so blunt, but yes, it was. When one generalizes about a process that one does not understand, and is too lazy to even read what can be found on the web about the process, what else can it be called? Why mince words? This is, after all, "sci.agriculture.beekeeping", not "alt.speculation.wild". :) > There is no "incentive" to license common substances because the > forces that guide the world just about preclude all thought of doing > such a thing without some other motivating factor -- namely, a profit. Most often, these common substances are not registered because when tested by responsible scientists, they have no positive effect. When they do have a positive effect (Menthol and Formic Acid come to mind as good examples), they are not only registered, but promoted by all and sundry. There is still adequate profit for the beekeeping supply houses, since they offer convenient and affordable small packages, instruction sheets, etc. > "Menthol" may indeed be registered, but you can be sure that whatever > product you do wind up buying is not likely to be pure "menthol". This is easy to refute. Read the label! If you look at a typical menthol product packaged for beekeepers, you will find something like 99.94% menthol, and 0.06% inert ingredients. You will also find the registration number(s), which can be used to find the detailed chemical analysis of the product. > it is the "active ingredient", when reduced to its chemical formula, of > peppermint oil or oil of wintergreen. Some basic knowledge of organic chemistry is required here. Menthol is a specific chemical. While it CAN be derived from the herb Mentha piperita ("peppermint"), it is more often synthesized from citronella oil, since "natural menthol" is expensive. Wintergreen is the plant "Gaultheria procumbens", something completely different from either of the other two. So, menthol, oil of peppermint, and oil of wintergreen are 3 very different things. > the practical observations about the results on "end-users" of > the present licensing and registration system are not to be dismissed. The credibility of such observations would be enhanced if the observers were to first observe basic facts, like the differences between menthol, wintergreen, and peppermint. Such misunderstandings are exactly why regulatory authorities are so intolerant of beekeeper use of unregistered substances - many beekeepers simply do not do their homework well enough to be able to correctly to select the proper chemical/substance from the confusing array of similarly-named substances. > There are so many constraints on people ("producers") now, > ostensibly for the protection of "consumers", that in practice, > any such ingenuity or spirit of experimentation tends to be forced > into submission and suppressed long before it gets to any licensing or > registering process. I can only point to the work done with food-grade mineral oil, powdered confectioner's sugar, and formic acid, all resulting in effective varroa mite control as examples that refute the statement above. I see not only spirit, but also style and panache. > Formic acid may now be approved, and that's jolly good -- but it > will be the "gel packs" that you'll be paying for, and that will be one > of the Products licensed for approval that you will be compelled to buy. Not at all - in Canada and Europe, Formic Acid is not only "legal", but suggested as a treatment for varroa. A very large mass of information on the subject can be found here: http://www.internode.net/Honeybee/Formic/Default.htm There is no compulsion to buy "gel-packs" in Europe or Canada. Instead, the beekeeper can homebrew his own "gel-packs" using the ever-popular "blue shop towel" method. (WARNING - Formic Acid is a nasty acid that must be handled with respect and care!!!) In the US, the attempt to create a practical "gel-pack" is nothing more than rational concern for the safety of the hobby beekeeper, combined with the usual US-government paternalism wrapped up in red tape and the US flag masquerading as "freedom from harm". jim Article 32709 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Patrick Dugan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 40-45 thousand bees per hive? Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:44:24 -0500 Organization: netINS, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: snca-01-197.dialup.netins.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!news.netins.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:32709 I recently read an article that stated there are on the average between 40,000 and 45,000 bees per hive. I have two hives which were started early this spring and both are two deep supers full. I have examined frames and they are packed with bees but I don't believe there are 1000 per frame side (2000 per frame.) Are they talking about some other type of hive?