Article 34570 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Blair Emory" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:03:25 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.82.158.91 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1054440205 12.82.158.91 (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:03:25 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 04:03:25 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34570 Putting ammonium nitrate in your smoker will not make it explode :) I don't know if it will do anything else, however, it probably is worth a try. AN becomes shock sensitive when mixed with a media that will transmit a shock wave, such as fuel oil, diesel etc. Just about all "dynamite" used today is AN based, since the old TNT had a nitroglycerine base, that would leach out of the carrier, say sawdust, crystallize and become very impact sensitive, like dropping it or hitting it with a rock could do it. AN is much safer to use as it takes a big shock such as a blasting cap to detonate it. The Texas City explosion that wiped out about half the town in the late 40's was caused by fuel oil saturating thousands of pounds of fertilizer in a ship at the docks. Something shocked it, or the pressure of the overlaying sacks raised the temperature enough to set it off. I have read several theories, but it's still a mystery. -- Cheers Blair Article 34571 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.195.35 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1054446530 16743 217.135.195.35 (1 Jun 2003 05:48:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 05:48:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34571 Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34572 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.195.35 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1054446630 5256 217.135.195.35 (1 Jun 2003 05:50:30 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 05:50:30 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34572 Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34573 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.195.35 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1054446559 30777 217.135.195.35 (1 Jun 2003 05:49:19 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 05:49:19 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsfeed.news2me.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34573 Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34574 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.195.35 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1054446604 16811 217.135.195.35 (1 Jun 2003 05:50:04 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 05:50:04 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34574 Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34575 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.130.205 X-Trace: news7.svr.pol.co.uk 1054458006 12946 217.135.130.205 (1 Jun 2003 09:00:06 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 09:00:06 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34575 Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Killie" wrote in message news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > to the box and of course the box itself. > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > the fence and under his shed. > > Please help> > > THanks > > Killie > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in bonnie Scotland > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > New members always welcome, free membership > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ Article 34576 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Daniel Fiske" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> <3ed96141$0$190$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net> Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:45:56 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Lines: 55 Message-ID: <3ed9cb55$0$229@hades.is.co.za> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.26.223.19 X-Trace: hades.is.co.za 1054460757 229 196.26.223.19 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!colt.net!peernews3.colt.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!hades.is.co.za!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34576 I've removed honeybees that made there home in a compost box....so it is quite possible. In the case I am talking about the box had been nocked over and the bees swarmed to a nearby bush. Anyway....your best bet is to get a local beekeeper to help you out. D. "Judy and Dave G" wrote in message news:3ed96141$0$190$a0465688@nnrp.fuse.net... > Are you sure that they are honeybees? Inside a compost bin does not sound > much like honeybees. Perhaps Yellow Jackets? Or hornets? > > If they are honeybees, a call to a local beekeeper or beekeeper's group > would benefit you, the bees and the beekeeper! > > Good Luck to you. > > Judy > > "Killie" wrote in message > news:11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com... > > I need a little advice, I have a compost box at the back of my rear > > garden approx 30ft away from the house.Today while emptying grass > > cuttings into the compost box I suddenly noticed quite a number of > > bees exiting around the base of the box. Realising that it seems bees > > had taken up residence in the box and me clattering around the top > > disturbing them I made a quick exit leaving my grassbox until the > > number of bees subsided. I observed them all going back into the box. > > > > Normally I'm one for letting nature take its course and would rather > > guide a bee out of a window rather than whacking it with a paper. > > But, I am about to slab this whole area, dispose of a large shed next > > to the box and of course the box itself. > > > > After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of > > them, I was going to pull the box over and hope they take off to new > > pastures but I trhink that would be foolish. > > My neighbour tells me he has a lot of bees coming from under his shed > > which I think they could be coming from the rear of the box through > > the fence and under his shed. > > > > Please help> > > > > THanks > > > > Killie > > Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in > bonnie Scotland > > http://tinyurl.com/bic8 > > New members always welcome, free membership > > > > http://www.killies.myby.co.uk/ > > Article 34577 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 07:17:47 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3OcCa.18571$JX2.1138425@typhoon.sonic.net> Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 07:18:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 37 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.137 X-Trace: sv3-n3mfOzCnQdpuqbZtKtBUGieJRQxcFXT2if3nMBs0J8tadvCsQAEJ2cTCPSMLfOdmDOopq/35Mr0LE9K!00puA1/H2PsRjjOuMml6KPo8VT+Dvur28W/svVTvI7eruk7RQlQa/4gxDpTn+MbAHcC7P3g= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34577 You may disagree, but I have actually weighed each and put the two in a gallon jar. It IS very close. Actually, it's right on (within an ounce or so) if you fill the jar right to the lip. Try it. Weigh 5 lbs. of water and put it in the jar. Then weigh 5 lbs. of sugar and add it to the jar. You might have a TINY amount of sugar left - an ounce or so. As far as getting the syrup too strong, it won't stimulate brood rearing if there's too much sugar to water. With 2:1 syrup, they just store it. This plugs up the brood nest and brood rearing really drops. Many commercial beekeepers feed a little less than 1:1. (West Texas) Mark If what you're doing seems too hard..., You're probably doing it wrong. :-) Don Wrote: Umm... With all due respect, I'll have to disagree. With water usually being figured as 8.5 (+/- a "weight ounce" or two, depending on the exact temperature of the gallon of water being weighed) pounds to the gallon, I'd be really hesitant to call it "close", let alone "very close"... The mix you're suggesting is a lot closer to 2 water:1 sugar (1.7:1, to be exact). To get a 1:1 mix of syrup out of 5 pounds of sugar, you're only going to need a little less than 2.5 quarts (76.8 fluid ounces, to be exact) of water to go with it. 10 pounds of sugar to a gallon of water would be a lot closer to the 1:1 mix you're aiming at, even though it would be a bit stronger than the "ideal" 1:1 mix by a bit. The "overshoot" would be substantially less than the "undershoot" involved in the 1 gallon to 5 pounds you're suggesting, and from what I've learned so far, when speaking of syrup for feeding bees, the prevailing wisdom appears to be that "too strong" is much better than "too weak". Article 34578 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 12:22:19 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ed9efbd.1273796592@news1.radix.net> References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip160.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34578 On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100, "Peter Edwards" wrote: >Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. > >Peter Edwards >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk >www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > Had a rough night last night Peter? Your finger hit the send button 5 times! beekeep Article 34579 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 08:11:43 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3OcCa.18571$JX2.1138425@typhoon.sonic.net> Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 08:12:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.137 X-Trace: sv3-HKZxKHHh8bJulTh8622h3ZleKDKZ/3YM9/lyvCT+60yBKcJ5fsyy0GkXiwC/BZle72yarc//t78qN8p!WPy4/u3ZaJhxrzBEJXCrhNjyd05J+C0gmG4xXrJrfC45G2iYfnVE3zDB6mnAlrmzKUw7DvM= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!newsfeed!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!crtntx1-snh1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!newsfeed1.easynews.com!easynews.com!easynews!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34579 Did the math. 5 Pounds Water = 0.599142 Gallons 0.599142 gallon [US, liquid] = 2.396568 quart [US, liquid] It takes less volume of sugar to equal 5 lbs. because the density of sugar (sucrose) is (g cm-3): 1.59 . The density of water is 1.0 . Therefore, the combination of 5 lbs. of each will occupy a volume very close to 1 gallon. Hope this helps. (West Texas) Mark Umm... With all due respect, I'll have to disagree. With water usually being figured as 8.5 (+/- a "weight ounce" or two, depending on the exact temperature of the gallon of water being weighed) pounds to the gallon, I'd be really hesitant to call it "close", let alone "very close"... The mix you're suggesting is a lot closer to 2 water:1 sugar (1.7:1, to be exact). To get a 1:1 mix of syrup out of 5 pounds of sugar, you're only going to need a little less than 2.5 quarts (76.8 fluid ounces, to be exact) of water to go with it. 10 pounds of sugar to a gallon of water would be a lot closer to the 1:1 mix you're aiming at, even though it would be a bit stronger than the "ideal" 1:1 mix by a bit. The "overshoot" would be substantially less than the "undershoot" involved in the 1 gallon to 5 pounds you're suggesting, and from what I've learned so far, when speaking of syrup for feeding bees, the prevailing wisdom appears to be that "too strong" is much better than "too weak". -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 34580 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Gadget Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 14:19:36 +0100 Organization: 127.0.0.1 Lines: 24 Sender: spamblock@[127.0.0.1] Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> Reply-To: Gadget NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.78.82.135 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1054473581 8984 81.78.82.135 (1 Jun 2003 13:19:41 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 13:19:41 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net User-Agent: Turnpike/6.01-U () Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net![127.0.0.1]!spamblock Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34580 On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Killie wrote: >After my long story can anyone give me advice on how tro get rid of >them, >Killie >Drop by The Madhouse and say hello, a new Cutecast bulletin board in >bonnie Scotland Scotland, eh? Go to the Scottish Beekeepers Association website at: http://www.scottishbeekeepers.org.uk/sba/areas.htm There you will find a list of the local associations, contact your local secretary and they should put you on to a local beekeeper that will be able to help. -- Gadget to email me direct use; gadget((at))bluewatch((dot))fsnet((dot))co((dot))uk sorry about all the spamblockage! Article 34581 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Phillip Knowles" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 12:09:34 -0400 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 41.25.85.b7 X-Server-Date: 1 Jun 2003 16:03:28 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34581 This is Phillip again. (orginal poster of the message). Just a report back. I guess it was robbing, because closing the entrance feeders down to the smallest opening stopped lots of bees circling the front of the hive in about 48 hours. Thanks for the tip on ventilation using washers or coins. Since placing nickels under the inner cover, the bees have stopped congregating on the front of the hive. Also, I agree that I already don't like the internal frame feeder, and will be switching to the gallon jug method described in one of the earlier posting. On one of my two hives, I am seeing something interesting. The frames in the brood chamber are generally 3/4 covered with honey leaving little room for actual brood. The brood layed in the a frame is consistent and full, but just not much room for brood. I have noticed that this hive is lagging behind (population wise) the other hive installed at the same time. Both hives have also been feed all the sugar water they want. Suggestions/Comments? Article 34582 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <3OcCa.18571$JX2.1138425@typhoon.sonic.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 69 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:07:46 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1054483666 209.204.149.194 (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:07:46 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:07:46 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!news.webusenet.com!diablo.voicenet.com!news.ticon.net!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34582 In article , "me" wrote: > Did the math. > > 5 Pounds Water = 0.599142 Gallons > 0.599142 gallon [US, liquid] = 2.396568 quart [US, liquid] > > It takes less volume of sugar to equal 5 lbs. because the density of sugar > (sucrose) is (g cm-3): 1.59 . The density of water is 1.0 . Therefore, the > combination of 5 lbs. of each will occupy a volume very close to 1 gallon. Ok, NOW you're getting into the realm of "works fer me"... Dunno whether it was because of the way you wrote it, or the way I read it, but your phrasing in the post I was replying to sounded to me like you were telling Keith and Phillip "Fill a gallon jug with water. Now stir in a 5 pound bag of sugar. Presto! You've got 1:1 syrup!" (and forgetting all about the fact that the bees are gonna be going hungry, 'cause a goodly amount of your syrup glued you to the floor when your gallon jug overflowed in a big way while you were pouring in the sugar :) ) *NOW* I see that what you were actually saying was "Take an empty gallon jar. Pour in five pounds of sugar. Add water to fill, and stir. Presto, 1 gallon of 1:1 syrup." (and little or none of it on the floor) Looks like we were both right, but my version of right was for the wrong reasons. The devil is in the details :) > > Hope this helps. > > (West Texas) Mark > > Umm... > With all due respect, I'll have to disagree. > > With water usually being figured as 8.5 (+/- a "weight ounce" or two, > depending on the exact temperature of the gallon of water being weighed) > pounds to the gallon, I'd be really hesitant to call it "close", let > alone "very close"... > > The mix you're suggesting is a lot closer to 2 water:1 sugar (1.7:1, to > be exact). To get a 1:1 mix of syrup out of 5 pounds of sugar, you're > only going to need a little less than 2.5 quarts (76.8 fluid ounces, to > be exact) of water to go with it. > > 10 pounds of sugar to a gallon of water would be a lot closer to the 1:1 > mix you're aiming at, even though it would be a bit stronger than the > "ideal" 1:1 mix by a bit. The "overshoot" would be substantially less > than the "undershoot" involved in the 1 gallon to 5 pounds you're > suggesting, and from what I've learned so far, when speaking of syrup > for feeding bees, the prevailing wisdom appears to be that "too strong" > is much better than "too weak". > > -- > Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, > SpamAssassinated > Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. > I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart > Fly trap info pages: > > -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 34583 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Don Bruder Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Organization: Chaotic Creations Unlimited References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> <3ed9efbd.1273796592@news1.radix.net> User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.1 (PPC) Lines: 42 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:28:40 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.204.149.194 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sonic.net X-Trace: typhoon.sonic.net 1054484920 209.204.149.194 (Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:28:40 PDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 09:28:40 PDT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!in.nntp.be!feed.news.sonic.net!typhoon.sonic.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34583 In article <3ed9efbd.1273796592@news1.radix.net>, honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) wrote: > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. > > > >Peter Edwards > >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > >www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > > Had a rough night last night Peter? Your finger hit the send button 5 > times! I've been seeing this *A LOT* in the last month or so. We're talking hundreds of incidents that I've seen, in newsgroups that are scattered all over the map, from bees, to cars, to computers, to horses, even several examples in newsgroups operated as "strictly local traffic - nothing comes in or goes out from anywhere but sonic.net users reading/posting thorugh Sonic's in-house servers" by my ISP. At least one incident in every newsgroup I read. Many times, it's a group regular who, for no apparent reason, suddenly spews 5, 10, 20, in one case, over 150 identical copies of his/her message across the group, and the next day is generally seen doing the "Aw crap... guess my newsreader puked. Sorry 'bout that..." thing. Connection: The spew *ALWAYS* (or at least, in every case that I've observed and paid attention to the numbers) bears an "X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500" header. Perhaps this is a new version of OE that's buggy? I would't know - as my headers should show you, I'm a Mac user who runs MT-NewsWatcher, so I don't pay much attention to Windows-based software releases. Or perhaps we're looking at a new variety of relatively benign mal-ware (virus/worm/trojan) that targets this version of OE, but hasn't yet been recognized as mal-ware by those who specialize in watching for such things? -- Don Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net <--- Preferred Email - unmunged, SpamAssassinated Hate SPAM? See for some seriously great info. I will choose a path that's clear: I will choose Free Will! - N. Peart Fly trap info pages: Article 34584 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New Lodgers Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:14:21 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> <3ed9efbd.1273796592@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.133.54 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1054487721 26177 217.135.133.54 (1 Jun 2003 17:15:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 17:15:21 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34584 No I didn't! Only sent once - and I only received it once. I did receive an email from Mytravel 11 times the other day, so I guess it is an ISP problem? Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "beekeep" wrote in message news:3ed9efbd.1273796592@news1.radix.net... > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003 06:47:54 +0100, "Peter Edwards" > wrote: > > >Almost certainly harmless bumblebees - but contact a local beekeeper. > > > >Peter Edwards > >beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > >www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > > > Had a rough night last night Peter? Your finger hit the send button 5 > times! > > beekeep > > Article 34585 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Dave Andrews" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <11fidvg4hq60c6c491njavar8990n9r8dj@4ax.com> Subject: Re: New Lodgers Lines: 15 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 07:58:54 +1200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 219.88.47.63 X-Complaints-To: newsadmin@xtra.co.nz X-Trace: news.xtra.co.nz 1054497499 219.88.47.63 (Mon, 02 Jun 2003 07:58:19 NZST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 07:58:19 NZST Organization: Xtra Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news-out.spamkiller.net!propagator2-maxim!news-in.superfeed.net!newsfeed01.tsnz.net!news.xtra.co.nz!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34585 "Gadget" wrote in message news:rZX+cMBo1f2+Ewki@[127.0.0.1]... > On Sun, 1 Jun 2003, Killie wrote: > Scotland, eh? > > Go to the Scottish Beekeepers Association website at: > > http://www.scottishbeekeepers.org.uk/sba/areas.htm > Simply play the bagpipes near them for an hour every morning, it will get rid of the Bees and any people nearby.. Grin! Article 34586 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: crle@sovereign.net (CE) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Help! Strange discovery. Date: 1 Jun 2003 12:58:23 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 50 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.70.186.65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054497504 26350 127.0.0.1 (1 Jun 2003 19:58:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Jun 2003 19:58:24 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34586 I saw a very strange thing in my only hive today and would be interested to know what other what other people think. I'll start with a brief history of the last month. 5/6: Wanting to try Russians, I re-queened on 5/6. 5/15: Checked the hive about a week later, and I was able to find only about a dozen eggs. This worried me a bit, but I found my new Russian queen on the comb, so thought she was shipped to me as a virgin. I decided to check the hive again in about a week. 5/24: Still, absolutely no brood and no eggs, although, the dozen I had seen the week before were capped. However, this time, I was unable to find the Queen. I became greatly concerned that I was queenless. 5/27: Ordered a replacement queen. 6/1: Prior to putting the new replacement queen into the hive, I scoured the hive looking for a queen, and any eggs. I was concerned that enough time had passed that workers may have also started laying, but no eggs were found, except for 1. Still no brood and not able to locate the Queen! The exception is what is baffling me. I found a single swarm cell cup in the hive with a single egg in it. It was the only egg in the hive, and it was relatively new, since it was still upright in the cup. I destroyed the cup. I pulled out a frame of pollen, and placed the new queen in the hive in her sealed queen cage. I plan on removing the cork in 3 days, since I have concern that there is still a queen in the hive. My thoughts and concerns: 1) Where did they get this single egg? I have heard that queenless bees will occasionally steal an egg to raise a new queen, but since I only have a single hive, where would they get the egg. 2) I could have an unmarked queen, but I think she would be laying eggs by now, more eggs then just the one. What do people on this board think? Am I doing the right thing? Advice and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Charles Article 34587 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 16:03:25 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Robbing Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 16:03:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 75 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.129.74 X-Trace: sv3-Zg1deJ7yfLtsCr1Pcxvc1Jr1mr99JqeRItZezKTYOOxZ/HV5qhEvy9UPrrR11Sv5ac/YVhytv+mh/h0!FgqzVYr9t7UPbtt83RvHJ859bQl5RtUOhYUiYKzqB37L21giDciNgtN/gH3MxOZU51iUWA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34587 Not sure how many hive bodies you have for brood chambers, their size, or when you got the bees. But here's the way it works... Start a package of bees on 10 frames of foundation in one hive body. All frames should be arranged according to Housel Positioning and pushed tightly together in the center of the box. I recommend using medium hive bodies for everything because it makes everything interchangeable. Feed 1:1 sugar syrup and water (by weight) continuously - don't let it run out even for a day. Anyway, once 7 or 8 frames of foundation are fully drawn out into comb, add another hive body full of foundation just like the original - be sure to match the Housel Positioning of the second box to the first and so on for each additional box. Each time you get 7 or 8 frames drawn out, add another box of foundation. When you get the number of hive bodies you want for the brood chamber, put on a queen excluder and continue feeding and adding boxes of foundation until September or October. The number of hive bodies you use for a brood chamber depends on your location. I use 3 mediums here in west Texas, but it varies depending on your location. So...., now you have several supers of drawn comb with capped sugar syrup honey. What do you do with it? Well..., it does taste good and is "technically" honey. It's no longer sucrose. I wouldn't sell it, but bottling some for yourself sounds good. What about the rest? Keep it and mix it with water to feed back to the bees for the next Spring buildup. We can talk about Spring buildup if you wish. Now, let's say your bees have drawn all the comb you want and you're just trying to build up the population of the colony for an upcoming nectar flow, BUT you have honey where the queen should be laying eggs - no more room down below either. One possible cause is..., you are feeding a ratio of sugar and water that has too much sugar. As I mentioned in a previous post, if the sugar ratio gets too high, the bees will not be stimulated to raise brood. Instead, they will store it. This clogs the brood nest and brood rearing slows dramatically. To fix this problem, put the box with the queen on the bottom of the brood nest - the one with eggs if you can't find the queen. If you have another box with larva, capped or uncapped, put it on next. Continuing on, replace the remaining brood chamber boxes with boxes of drawn comb, honey, and pollen. The arrangement of the frames (working from the outside in) should be..., one honey, one pollen, three empty drawn comb - totaling 10 frames. Don't forget to push them all together and orient according to Housel Positioning matching the Housel Positioning of the bottom box with the queen. Now feed with 1:1 sugar syrup continuously to stimulate brood rearing. Another possibility is..., the queen has moved steadily up the brood nest and is now at the top. Once at the top, she tends to stay there. Check to see if there is open space available for laying in the lower brood chamber boxes - assuming you have any below her. If there is space, just move the box with queen to the bottom and the boxes with the space on top of that. She will begin her gradual movement up once more until she hits the top. This whole process is called reversing the brood chamber. It's standard practice for building up your population in preparation for a nectar flow. Yet another possibility is..., the queen was not mated well and just isn't a great egg layer. You'll need a new queen for that. Hang in there. (West Texas) Mark Phillip Wrote: Just a report back. I guess it was robbing, because closing the entrance feeders down to the smallest opening stopped lots of bees circling the front of the hive in about 48 hours. Thanks for the tip on ventilation using washers or coins. Since placing nickels under the inner cover, the bees have stopped congregating on the front of the hive. Also, I agree that I already don't like the internal frame feeder, and will be switching to the gallon jug method described in one of the earlier posting. On one of my two hives, I am seeing something interesting. The frames in the brood chamber are generally 3/4 covered with honey leaving little room for actual brood. The brood layed in the a frame is consistent and full, but just not much room for brood. I have noticed that this hive is lagging behind (population wise) the other hive installed at the same time. Both hives have also been feed all the sugar water they want. Suggestions/Comments? Article 34588 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Strange discovery. Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 00:08:54 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 57 Message-ID: <3eda9568.1316209678@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip148.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34588 On 1 Jun 2003 12:58:23 -0700, crle@sovereign.net (CE) wrote: >I saw a very strange thing in my only hive today and would be >interested to know what other what other people think. I'll start with >a brief history of the last month. > >5/6: >Wanting to try Russians, I re-queened on 5/6. > >5/15: >Checked the hive about a week later, and I was able to find only about >a dozen eggs. This worried me a bit, but I found my new Russian queen >on the comb, so thought she was shipped to me as a virgin. I decided >to check the hive again in about a week. > >5/24: >Still, absolutely no brood and no eggs, although, the dozen I had seen >the week before were capped. However, this time, I was unable to find >the Queen. I became greatly concerned that I was queenless. > >5/27: >Ordered a replacement queen. > >6/1: >Prior to putting the new replacement queen into the hive, I scoured >the hive looking for a queen, and any eggs. I was concerned that >enough time had passed that workers may have also started laying, but >no eggs were found, except for 1. Still no brood and not able to >locate the Queen! > >The exception is what is baffling me. I found a single swarm cell cup >in the hive with a single egg in it. It was the only egg in the hive, >and it was relatively new, since it was still upright in the cup. I >destroyed the cup. > >I pulled out a frame of pollen, and placed the new queen in the hive >in her sealed queen cage. I plan on removing the cork in 3 days, >since I have concern that there is still a queen in the hive. > >My thoughts and concerns: >1) Where did they get this single egg? I have heard that queenless >bees will occasionally steal an egg to raise a new queen, but since I >only have a single hive, where would they get the egg. > >2) I could have an unmarked queen, but I think she would be laying >eggs by now, more eggs then just the one. > >What do people on this board think? Am I doing the right thing? >Advice and suggestions will be greatly appreciated. > >Regards, >Charles I have seen the same thing. I can't explain it either. beekeep Article 34589 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: loggermike@shasta.com (Mike) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help! Strange discovery. Date: 2 Jun 2003 06:20:15 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <993fd181.0306020520.5cbd1944@posting.google.com> References: <3eda9568.1316209678@news1.radix.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 69.10.162.65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054560015 7030 127.0.0.1 (2 Jun 2003 13:20:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 2 Jun 2003 13:20:15 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34589 Dont you hate it when re-queening doesnt go according to plan?I sure do.Some possibilities: 1.The queen was a dud(not mated properly) and the bees killed her after she laid a few eggs.If so ,that could be the first laying worker egg in the queen cup,a desperate attempt to raise a queen.They wont accept a new queen with laying workers. 2.The queen is still alive but unable to lay(what I call a sterile queen).She will have shrunk to not much bigger than a worker,and will be hard to find.They wont accept a new queen with a sterile one still there. 3.They raised a virgin when you removed the old queen.This is usually pretty obvious if you are looking in the hive regularly(emerged queen cell)They wont accept a new queen if there is a virgin.If there is a virgin I will usually allow her to go ahead and mate but that hive wont be productive for a long time. Trying to figure out what is happening can be frustrating.If you can put a frame of just hatched larva in,they should start queen cells if they are queenless.If not,its just a gamble.Feeding ,or requeening during a flow greatly increases acceptance of the new queen.When it becomes obvious that there are laying workers,I usually just shake them out and remake the hive at the next opportunity.That can be a swarm,or nuc.I have some of these right now that didnt accept new queens Article 34591 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Malcolm Perrement" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Feeding bees Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 06:05:46 +1000 NNTP-Posting-Host: 144.134.81.85 X-Trace: newsfeeds.bigpond.com 1054583440 144.134.81.85 (Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:50:40 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:50:40 EST Organization: Telstra BigPond Internet Services (http://www.bigpond.com) Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp-relay.ihug.net!usenet.net.nz!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!ken-transit.news.telstra.net!news.telstra.net!newsfeeds.bigpond.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34591 G,day Folks, Could somebody tell me the recipe for pollen patties so that I can make some to feed my poorer hives of bees. Thank you Malcolm Article 34592 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 15:44:12 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: Feeding bees Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 15:44:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 17 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.129.32 X-Trace: sv3-n19Bpe8HioWSAhVAxUpJa4nBa/t+6djiCfdvJY/2nn/XgBbTlj3FGbNTsG6pNCuFL/jlTM/esIIldiO!DsDz8wa7sey/mI5OBjln5JAkZ4YV0JUFI+O0oBA2Xou0hlanvDpAvApBa71O5cirBFv8aA== X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34592 4 parts hot water 1part pollen 8 parts sugar The dough should be stiff but not hard. Place between two pieces of waxed paper and make a patty. Place patty along with waxed paper on the top bars. Replace as necessary. (West Texas) Mark G,day Folks, Could somebody tell me the recipe for pollen patties so that I can make some to feed my poorer hives of bees. Thank you Malcolm Article 34593 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jostein Mork User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030409 X-Accept-Language: no, nb, nn, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: QUESTION References: <20030602154655.01703.00000824@mb-m05.news.cs.com> In-Reply-To: <20030602154655.01703.00000824@mb-m05.news.cs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:19:15 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.142.72.59 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@wol.dk X-Trace: news010.worldonline.dk 1054588755 213.142.72.59 (Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:19:15 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:19:15 MET DST Organization: Customer of Tiscali A/S Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news100.image.dk!news010.worldonline.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34593 What have this Spam to do with beekeping????????????? Keithbates52398 wrote: > GREAT WAY TO MAKE MONEY-READ THIS!!!!!! > > HOW TO TURN $6 INTO $6,000!!!!!! > READING THIS COULD CHANGE YOUR LIFE! > > I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little while back, > I was browsing through newsgroups, just like you are now, and came across an > article similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars within > weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! So I thought, Yeah right, this > must be a scam, but like most of us, I was curious, so I kept reading. Anyway, > it said that you send $1.00 to each of the 6 names and address stated in the > article. You then place your own name and address in the bottom of the list at > #6, and post the article in at least 200 newsgroups. (There are thousands) No > catch, that was it. So after thinking it over, and talking to a few people > first, I thought about trying it. I figured: what have I got to lose except 6 > stamps and $6.00, right? Then I invested the measly $6.00. 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This Article 34594 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Jostein Mork User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030409 X-Accept-Language: no, nb, nn, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Robbing References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:27:38 +0200 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.142.72.59 X-Complaints-To: news-abuse@wol.dk X-Trace: news010.worldonline.dk 1054589258 213.142.72.59 (Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:27:38 MET DST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:27:38 MET DST Organization: Customer of Tiscali A/S Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news100.image.dk!news010.worldonline.dk.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34594 Feeding bees wich have that much honey.. That's plain honey falsifying... You don't get honey that way, you are just decieving the buyers! Phillip Knowles wrote: > This is Phillip again. (orginal poster of the message). > > Just a report back. I guess it was robbing, because closing the entrance > feeders down to the smallest opening stopped lots of bees circling the front > of the hive in about 48 hours. Thanks for the tip on ventilation using > washers or coins. Since placing nickels under the inner cover, the bees > have stopped congregating on the front of the hive. Also, I agree that I > already don't like the internal frame feeder, and will be switching to the > gallon jug method described in one of the earlier posting. > > On one of my two hives, I am seeing something interesting. The frames in > the brood chamber are generally 3/4 covered with honey leaving little room > for actual brood. The brood layed in the a frame is consistent and full, > but just not much room for brood. I have noticed that this hive is lagging > behind (population wise) the other hive installed at the same time. Both > hives have also been feed all the sugar water they want. > Suggestions/Comments? > > Article 34595 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 04:26:31 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1054614391.134192@spinics.net> References: <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 11 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34595 In article <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net>, beekeep wrote: >For ammonium nitrate to become an explosive it has to be mixed >with an oxidizer such as fuel oil. 1. Since when did fuel oil become an oxidizer? 2. Ever hear about what happened to a ship full of ammonium nitrate in a Texas port? Article 34596 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:34:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDC2215.3EB94A9E@hcis.net> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 23:20:37 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. 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Ever hear about what happened to a ship full of ammonium nitrate > in a Texas port? No. AL Article 34597 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 05:26:55 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1054618013.443962@spinics.net> References: <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net> <1054614391.134192@spinics.net> <3EDC2215.3EB94A9E@hcis.net> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 14 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-04!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34597 In article <3EDC2215.3EB94A9E@hcis.net>, AL wrote: >> 2. Ever hear about what happened to a ship full of ammonium nitrate >> in a Texas port? >No. Is 1947 the S.S. Grandcamp with a hold full of amonium nitrate exploded while docked in Galveston: http://sdsd.essortment.com/texascityexplo_rkvi.htm -- http://www.spinics.net/photo/ Article 34598 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 00:57:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDC363C.836128C8@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 00:46:36 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. References: <3ed73fd8.1097744821@news1.radix.net> <1054614391.134192@spinics.net> <3EDC2215.3EB94A9E@hcis.net> <1054618013.443962@spinics.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.28 X-Trace: sv3-Wd1odhv4XgeEfPp6YFkiV+TBYMEEYGRrUqufb914/eZ47vXQXbKbKBAx90MwN+XT4HU/ey26fnTAbuJ!NZbhHmlgNtoclu7fuXPsr4XIkpIqkHO8JZe2VJoiI1Q3BkkLJW/KJmuuYx/Jp6IgG3JFjg== X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34598 ellis@no.spam wrote: > > In article <3EDC2215.3EB94A9E@hcis.net>, AL wrote: > > >> 2. Ever hear about what happened to a ship full of ammonium nitrate > >> in a Texas port? > > >No. > > Is 1947 the S.S. Grandcamp with a hold full of amonium nitrate exploded > while docked in Galveston: > > http://sdsd.essortment.com/texascityexplo_rkvi.htm Most impressive. A football stadium where I once attended high school was the scene of an ammonium nitrate bombing back in the late 60's using what was later determined to be an 80lb bag, a blasting cap and a timer. It was speculated the bomber intended to do harm to the spectators at the game that night but failed to set the timer accordingly. It detonated some time after the game, carving out a huge crater in the dirt bank next to the seats but harming no one. AL Article 34599 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Flavoring honey Date: 3 Jun 2003 12:01:17 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.208.170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054666877 26861 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2003 19:01:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2003 19:01:17 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34599 I am looking to offer flavored honey ie lemon honey for sale for use in ice tea. I plan to use lemon extract. Does anybody have suggestions on doing this? Also, a starting point as to how much? Plan to bottle in 1 lb jars. Mostly tulip poplar / locust honey. THanks. Article 34600 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: albert.cannon@lineone.net (albert cannon) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Combining Swarms Date: 3 Jun 2003 14:35:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4169b71c.0306031335.6a078bf8@posting.google.com> References: <3ECADE5A.27CC342A@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 80.225.113.186 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054676154 2163 127.0.0.1 (3 Jun 2003 21:35:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Jun 2003 21:35:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34600 AL wrote in message news:<3ECADE5A.27CC342A@hcis.net>... > Blair Emory wrote: > > > > Thanks to all. I looked last night and the queen is laying. Guess I will > > wait a bit to see which one is the best queen and get rid of the other, then > > combine. I sort of like Al's method, but seems the other was the one I was > > trying to remember. > > > > > > > The newspaper trick works too, its just that I'm not very patient and > want to get things done in one visit. The sugar & vanilla shower makes > that possible. > > AL You should not be too impatient, if you want the bees united then it does not matter the length of time (within reason!!) in comparison. we use the newspaper method in our branch apiary here in the UK. it works fine.Just make sure that you make holes in the paper to give the bees a start in eating through. Good luck Albert. take care and stay lucky Article 34601 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ramon Reges" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: C.D.E.E.A. Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 21:01:28 -0300 Organization: Sinectis SA Lines: 27 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem157-as11.capfed1.sinectis.com.ar X-Trace: lepsoy.sinectis.com.ar 1054685000 18613 216.244.201.157 (4 Jun 2003 00:03:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@sinectis.com.ar NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2003 00:03:20 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!129.250.169.16!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!lepsoy.sinectis.com.ar!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34601 -- Estimados : Les presento a nuestro Sitio, el Centro de Estudios Ecológicos Argentino http://www.cdeea.com/ Sitio dedicado a difundir Estudios sobre Ecología, Micología y Climatología, Sin Fines de Lucro. Lo formamos, Profesionales Argentinos y de diversas partes del mundo, estudiosos de estos temas. 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Gave me a lifelong respect for ammonium nitrate. Altho' I guess sprinkling a teaspoon in your smoker the worst might be that it melts a hole thru the bottom... Article 34603 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 22:45:36 -0500 Message-ID: <3EDD68D5.E32D1A93@hcis.net> Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 22:34:45 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. 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A farmer who > expected his son to help dump the AN bags into the spreader when it was > time to fertilize the cornfield... And later came back to the house to > find said son lying in that quiet, dark room mentioned earlier, hoping > that the headache would at least let up enough to keep his skull from > exploding into a million little jagged, razor-edged pieces... As soon as I was old enough to wrestle 50lb bags to my shoulder I was expected to handle the 80lb bags of ammonium nitrate, pour it in the spreader and level it out with my hands. Even though the stuff was granular, there was still plenty of dust rising from the pour. I never ever experienced anything like your description. But, I find the idea of burning the stuff to get nitrous oxide intriguing... AL Article 34604 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: connie@lightspeed.net (Connie) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oleanders Date: 3 Jun 2003 21:17:50 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.244.20.70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054700270 20980 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2003 04:17:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2003 04:17:50 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34604 I got my first 2 hives 3 weeks ago. There are plenty of wild flowers nearby: mustard, star thistle, and many I don't know the name of. My worry is that the bees will go to the closest nectar and pollen source: the oleanders around the house. There are lots of them and in full bloom. I believe they bloom through the fall. Is it true honey made from them will be poisonous? Is there any chance that bees will prefer other flowers if available? Is there anything I can do? I live in Bakersfield, California. Thanks for any advice anyone can offer. Article 34605 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flavoring honey Date: 4 Jun 2003 03:56:39 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 9 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0306040256.487fe70a@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.153.29.82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054724200 6205 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2003 10:56:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2003 10:56:40 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34605 leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) wrote in message news:... > I am looking to offer flavored honey ie lemon honey for sale for use > in ice tea. I plan to use lemon extract. Does anybody have > suggestions on doing this? Also, a starting point as to how much? > Plan to bottle in 1 lb jars. Mostly tulip poplar / locust honey. > THanks. Noodle around on the National Honey Board websitee They had a lemon flavor but it was done with the zest of the lemon. Article 34606 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Flavoring honey Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 13:38:32 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <3eddf49c.1537104434@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip190.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!cox.net!news-xfer.cox.net!blue.readfreenews.net!news.readfreenews.net!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!uunet!ash.uu.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34606 On 3 Jun 2003 12:01:17 -0700, leggassoc@aol.com (Lawrence Legg) wrote: >I am looking to offer flavored honey ie lemon honey for sale for use >in ice tea. I plan to use lemon extract. Does anybody have >suggestions on doing this? Also, a starting point as to how much? >Plan to bottle in 1 lb jars. Mostly tulip poplar / locust honey. >THanks. Years ago I used to feed the bees sweetened apple juice after the honey flow and called it applecomb. It sold well to mead makers in gallons nationwide and I packaged in syrup bottles for the general public. You may consider syrup bottles to keep it from looking like honey as some people tend to go on the adulterated honey bandwagon and get all upset. What really upsets them is the line at your stand! There are markets out there to be developed. The only problem that I see with adding flavoring to the honey is watering it down too much where it will ferment. beekeep Article 34607 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: ellis@no.spam () Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Dealing with a vicious hive. Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 17:07:28 -0000 Organization: S.P.C.A.A. Message-ID: <1054746448.510960@spinics.net> References: <1054618013.443962@spinics.net> <3EDC363C.836128C8@hcis.net> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test76 (Apr 2, 2001) Originator: ellis@no.spam () Cache-Post-Path: spinics.net!unknown@localhost.localdomain X-Cache: nntpcache 3.0.1 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!news.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34607 In article , Peter KERR wrote: >Altho' I guess sprinkling a teaspoon in your smoker the worst >might be that it melts a hole thru the bottom... Yeah, a little bit in a smoker isn't going to explode. Article 34608 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Removing a swarm Lines: 7 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:19:31 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.66.96.162 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rr.com X-Trace: twister.nyroc.rr.com 1054750771 66.66.96.162 (Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:19:31 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 14:19:31 EDT Organization: Road Runner Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!24.30.200.11!news-east.rr.com!cyclone.nyroc.rr.com!cyclone-out.nyroc.rr.com!twister.nyroc.rr.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34608 I have a new swarm on furlough in a pine near my house. I'd like to have someone take it rather than destroy it but can't locate anyone. I'm near Rochester NY and would appreciate any contacts you all may have. Thanks Article 34609 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: dan@snellgrove.freeserve.co.uk (Dan Snellgrove) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Snellgrove Board? Date: 4 Jun 2003 15:46:25 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 3 Message-ID: <13060457.0306041446.4ce81b0f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.92.168.170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054766785 10477 127.0.0.1 (4 Jun 2003 22:46:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Jun 2003 22:46:25 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34609 I know this isn't really a proper beekeeping question, but does anyone know why a Snellgrove board is named "Snellgrove"? I can only presume someone with the surnanme Snellgrove invented it. But who was it? Article 34610 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Removing a swarm Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 22:49:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3ede776d.1570888842@news1.radix.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: ip162.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34610 On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 18:19:31 GMT, "Francis" wrote: >I have a new swarm on furlough in a pine near my house. I'd like to have >someone take it rather than destroy it but can't locate anyone. I'm near >Rochester NY and would appreciate any contacts you all may have. > >Thanks > > If you just leave it alone it will fly off in a couple of days. beekeep Article 34611 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "James Avila" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oleander Blooms Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 22:47:08 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 8 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34611 We have a large oleander in bloom near the hive. Is there any concern with the honey becoming toxic? I'm sure that I'm not the only beekeeper with oleander in the area and I really haven't heard anything on this topic. Thanks! James Article 34612 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Snellgrove Board? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 07:58:07 +0100 Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <13060457.0306041446.4ce81b0f@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.192.221 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1054796330 16663 217.135.192.221 (5 Jun 2003 06:58:50 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2003 06:58:50 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34612 Seems a perfectly valid question to me! L.E. Snelgrove (one 'l')- English beekeeper - wrote books: The Introduction of Queen Bees Swarming - Its Control and Prevention Queen Rearing Dave Cushman has a good web page about the board at: http://website.lineone.net/~dave.cushman/snelgroveboard.html Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Dan Snellgrove" wrote in message news:13060457.0306041446.4ce81b0f@posting.google.com... > I know this isn't really a proper beekeeping question, but does anyone > know why a Snellgrove board is named "Snellgrove"? I can only presume > someone with the surnanme Snellgrove invented it. But who was it? Article 34613 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "vinel10" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: moving bees Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:13:56 -0400 Lines: 8 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.90.92.8 Message-ID: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1054826329 63.90.92.8 (5 Jun 2003 10:18:49 -0500) X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! 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Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!news.litech.org!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!out.nntp.be!propagator2-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34613 when I first got my bees I put them in the shade now I found out there is too much shade and I need to move them about three hundred feet or so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day and it is very damp where I have them now thanks -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34614 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Mike Yared" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: "The buzz on bees" Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:27:17 -0400 Lines: 8 Message-ID: X-Trace: UmFuZG9tSVabho6cifpi7r0Tu4w2RhLJWdqVBoI+JZFA2oCsPM4eTzvt2RBTQMPm X-Complaints-To: abuse@rcn.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2003 16:26:46 GMT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!feed2.news.rcn.net!feed1.news.rcn.net!rcn!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34614 The buzz on bees As president of the Allegheny Mountain Beekeepers Association, Harry Mallow has always loved the insects, especially the way they buzz from one place to another http://www.washtimes.com/metro/20030604-104141-3304r.htm Article 34615 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving bees Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:09:34 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.a7.93.b7 X-Server-Date: 5 Jun 2003 17:11:00 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!207.217.77.102!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!NstretchO Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34615 In article <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com>, "vinel10" wrote: > when I first got my bees I put them in the shade now I found out there > is too much shade and I need to move them about three hundred feet or > so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles > I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it > any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day > and it is very damp where I have them now thanks > 1) I don't know if 300 feet is far enough to move 'em to get 'em going to the new location, but... 2) You'll have to have help. Or a forklift or garden tractor with a trailer behind it, or a cart of some sort. The hive will be way to heavy and awkward to move by yourself. 3) Make sure the boxes, bottom board, and outer cover are stapled together. Last thing you want is for the thing to fall apart during the move. 4) Since you're only moving a short distance, nail a board of some sort over the hive opening, to keep 'em in during the move. 5) DO THE MOVE AT NIGHT if possible. You have to make sure as many bees as possible are in the hive when you move it. -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34616 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Burr Comb Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:11:30 -0400 Organization: STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY, LLC Lines: 13 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 42.a7.93.b7 X-Server-Date: 5 Jun 2003 17:12:56 GMT User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.2 (PPC Mac OS X) Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!snoopy.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.news2me.com!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!harp.news.atl.earthlink.net!NstretchO Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34616 My colony for some reason is dead set on drawing burr comb, rather than comb directly off the foundation. They use the foundation, but then draw it in such a way as the comb itself is two sided, off a bit from the foundation. I'm using Duragilt, which is wax coated, and I wonder if that's the problem. Any ideas anyone? About the why, and the what to do? -- Charles "Stretch" Ledford STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY "North America and the Entire World" http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34617 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Steve Newport Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in Sussex Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:10:38 +0100 Lines: 1 Message-ID: <3ufvdvk0r2t8gv52e2l3s4uh1tbk26tvk4@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.25.184.230 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk 1054850998 2638 62.25.184.230 (5 Jun 2003 22:09:58 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2003 22:09:58 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34617 Anybody got any hives for sale in Sussex, UK. On Nationals? Article 34618 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving bees Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:34:49 +0100 Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.138.16 X-Trace: newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk 1054851684 6138 217.135.138.16 (5 Jun 2003 22:21:24 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 5 Jun 2003 22:21:24 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newsfeed.stueberl.de!news-peer.gradwell.net!news.cabal.org.uk!newspeer.lavaseals.co.uk!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34618 http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/MovingBees.htm Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "vinel10" wrote in message news:3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com... > when I first got my bees I put them in the shade now I found out there > is too much shade and I need to move them about three hundred feet or > so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles > I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it > any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day > and it is very damp where I have them now thanks > > > > > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34619 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "John Ross McTaggart" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: moving bees Lines: 56 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <_2SDa.8868$VS5.738198@news20.bellglobal.com> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:24:08 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.209.114.185 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1054862650 216.209.114.185 (Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:24:10 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 21:24:10 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.vt.edu!news.stealth.net news.stealth.net!news.stealth.net!204.127.161.6.MISMATCH!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34619 I would suggest that you don't staple it, too much work, and I have a better suggestion. go to a place that has packaging material to get the nylon banding that attaches boxes to pallets. It is very strong and easy to use (at least once you know how LOL) Just wrap it around the whole thing, and cinch it up. Easy to cut off too. My preference however is for the waxed fibre instead of the nylon however. It is biodegradable! Cheers John "Charles "Stretch" Ledford" wrote in message news:NstretchO-B2F595.13092205062003@news.mindspring.com... > In article <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com>, > "vinel10" wrote: > > > when I first got my bees I put them in the shade now I found out there > > is too much shade and I need to move them about three hundred feet or > > so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles > > I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it > > any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day > > and it is very damp where I have them now thanks > > > > 1) I don't know if 300 feet is far enough to move 'em to get 'em going > to the new location, but... > > 2) You'll have to have help. Or a forklift or garden tractor with a > trailer behind it, or a cart of some sort. The hive will be way to > heavy and awkward to move by yourself. > > 3) Make sure the boxes, bottom board, and outer cover are stapled > together. Last thing you want is for the thing to fall apart during the > move. > > 4) Since you're only moving a short distance, nail a board of some sort > over the hive opening, to keep 'em in during the move. > > 5) DO THE MOVE AT NIGHT if possible. You have to make sure as many bees > as possible are in the hive when you move it. > > -- > Charles "Stretch" Ledford > STRETCH PHOTOGRAPHY > "North America and the Entire World" > http://NOstretchSPAMphotography.com Article 34620 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hive carrier Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:08:34 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 4 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!sn-xit-03!sn-xit-01!sn-post-02!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34620 looking to purchase or build cant seem to find much info can anyone help me out/ Article 34621 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:23:54 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> Subject: Re: moving bees Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:20:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 26 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.2 X-Trace: sv3-osaDGMPRw8Vv2aH2WGds1VBvMmFmhXikOFiZ0Ub3NXAWjAhxK2/9yvpM7mNaYenHSIssFUL/BopVg1E!xnvD33ldwtrTeBAuKeF3+9u7gqEz++n9dgDWlgGml8Z191GWl/qqGmJcYYM9+r35fHqD X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34621 I've heard from very reliable sources that all you have to do is..., seal up the hive in the evening after the bees have gone in for the night. Do this by stuffing grass tightly into the entrance. Move the hive where you want them early the next morning. Reposition the grass so the bees can, "with a fair amount of time and effort", remove the grass and get out. Be careful not to make it too tuff or they may become overheated. By struggling to get out, they'll reorient to the new location. As far as lifting the hive, I'd get a small wagon, cart, or wheel barrow. Take the hive apart and reassemble it on the wagon or cart. Use a ratchet strap to hold the hive together. Possibly use another strap to secure the hive to the cart or wagon. Wait a day or two and move the hive as described above. After the move, wait another day or two and reassemble it on a hive stand. Hope this helps. (West Texas) Mark I need to move them about three hundred feet or so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day and it is very damp where I have them now thanks Article 34622 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 23:02:15 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:51:06 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Top entrance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 23 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.31 X-Trace: sv3-WYKoHUyk/YrUslLSqcBA/k3EzZ+ExlQA9bvPLeQde+1OXmpoocy0Mlom8LDmctD5bcP9VF18i/QE8Nv!7I649mcZ0L5mj4Z7KIQEgs4KFU7FO/1jMzjPW/qng+a7rQQqspaSBdt1aSai6J6A4h0lNQ== X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34622 I've read about all sorts of approaches to providing direct entrances to the supers, from using shims between the super and brood box to drilling holes in the supers. The objective makes sense to me, provide a direct path to the storage area bypassing the brood chamber and fat man's squeeze through the QE. Last year and this year I have provided openings using 1/2" shims - but the bees absolutely insist on using the lower entrance. Looking the situation over I decided it was because there was no landing board up there on the 2nd floor so I installed an nice 5" landing board that ran the full width of the entrance - still no bees. Oh, they wander out on the landing board like they're enjoying the view up there, but then they stroll right back in again - all the while clouds of bees are coming & going out of the main entrance. I've even watched as some land on the top landing board only to jump off and fly down to the main entrance. I'm playing with the notion of blocking the main entrance with screen to see if I can force them to use the top entrance and remove the screen in a few days after they 'discover' the new way in. Do those of you who provide alternate entrances find the bees using them??? AL Article 34623 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 06:59:22 +0100 Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.185.51 X-Trace: news8.svr.pol.co.uk 1054879268 3255 217.135.185.51 (6 Jun 2003 06:01:08 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2003 06:01:08 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.vmunix.org!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34623 http://www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/PENotes/HiveCarriers.htm Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "Bob Seaman" wrote in message news:ve01djn530mmc0@corp.supernews.com... > looking to purchase or build cant seem to find much info can anyone help me > out/ > > Article 34624 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:53:07 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3ee0721a.1700246686@news1.radix.net> References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip183.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!tdsnet-transit!newspeer.tds.net!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34624 On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:51:06 -0500, AL wrote: >I've read about all sorts of approaches to providing direct entrances to >the supers, from using shims between the super and brood box to drilling >holes in the supers. The objective makes sense to me, provide a direct >path to the storage area bypassing the brood chamber and fat man's >squeeze through the QE. Last year and this year I have provided openings >using 1/2" shims - but the bees absolutely insist on using the lower >entrance. Looking the situation over I decided it was because there was >no landing board up there on the 2nd floor so I installed an nice 5" >landing board that ran the full width of the entrance - still no bees. >Oh, they wander out on the landing board like they're enjoying the view >up there, but then they stroll right back in again - all the while >clouds of bees are coming & going out of the main entrance. I've even >watched as some land on the top landing board only to jump off and fly >down to the main entrance. > >I'm playing with the notion of blocking the main entrance with screen to >see if I can force them to use the top entrance and remove the screen in >a few days after they 'discover' the new way in. > >Do those of you who provide alternate entrances find the bees using >them??? > >AL 1/2" is probably a little much. The bees will use the upper opening when they are ready. Obviously they are still providing the brood nest. And yes, I drill a 1" hole in every super. beekeep Article 34625 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 07:29:49 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:27:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 15 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.135 X-Trace: sv3-Chs/RH7AxS7Z4k/s28drNcoPipqG4U+R9fKN8KNDLtIT2fNIknAOIJe6Gevq22b7A1wv/cRlJYjEj3X!d0aprVjYvyS0dSUXwSdzFNU7rFCLCv76quZ6awBmZUjq/oG2MLr5ocMIERVjc9620PyhjBU= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34625 Hi Peter, Nice collection of good info on your web site. I really like the simple design of the hive carrier, but was looking at it and noticed the handles are a little longer on one end than the other. Was this on purpose, or does the picture make it look that way? Someday I'll have to post a picture of the gadget I made to twist hive bodies to break them loose without disturbing those below it. Keep up the good work. (West Texas) Mark Article 34626 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3EE0B1D3.40088333@hcis.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:22:59 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <3ee0721a.1700246686@news1.radix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.20.225.74 X-Trace: corp.newsgroups.com 1054913533 66.20.225.74 (6 Jun 2003 10:32:13 -0500) Lines: 51 X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 100,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!xmission!local-out2.newsfeeds.com!corp.newsgroups.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34626 beekeep wrote: > > On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:51:06 -0500, AL wrote: > > >I've read about all sorts of approaches to providing direct entrances to > >the supers, from using shims between the super and brood box to drilling > >holes in the supers. The objective makes sense to me, provide a direct > >path to the storage area bypassing the brood chamber and fat man's > >squeeze through the QE. Last year and this year I have provided openings > >using 1/2" shims - but the bees absolutely insist on using the lower > >entrance. Looking the situation over I decided it was because there was > >no landing board up there on the 2nd floor so I installed an nice 5" > >landing board that ran the full width of the entrance - still no bees. > >Oh, they wander out on the landing board like they're enjoying the view > >up there, but then they stroll right back in again - all the while > >clouds of bees are coming & going out of the main entrance. I've even > >watched as some land on the top landing board only to jump off and fly > >down to the main entrance. > > > >I'm playing with the notion of blocking the main entrance with screen to > >see if I can force them to use the top entrance and remove the screen in > >a few days after they 'discover' the new way in. > > > >Do those of you who provide alternate entrances find the bees using > >them??? > > > >AL > 1/2" is probably a little much. The bees will use the upper opening > when they are ready. Obviously they are still providing the brood > nest. > And yes, I drill a 1" hole in every super. > > beekeep They *are* filling the supers - two supers on two hives (single brood boxes) almost filled but not capped. They just seem to prefer coming in the bottom entrance, climbing up through the brood box and the QE to get there. AL -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- Article 34627 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: honeybs@radix.net (beekeep) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:41:56 GMT Organization: RadixNet Internet Services Lines: 60 Message-ID: <3ee0c3fe.1721208949@news1.radix.net> References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> <3ee0721a.1700246686@news1.radix.net> <3EE0B1D3.40088333@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip186.sns.du.radix.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!199.184.165.233!feed2.news.rcn.net!rcn!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.radix.net!news1.radix.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34627 On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 10:22:59 -0500, AL wrote: >beekeep wrote: >> >> On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:51:06 -0500, AL wrote: >> >> >I've read about all sorts of approaches to providing direct entrances to >> >the supers, from using shims between the super and brood box to drilling >> >holes in the supers. The objective makes sense to me, provide a direct >> >path to the storage area bypassing the brood chamber and fat man's >> >squeeze through the QE. Last year and this year I have provided openings >> >using 1/2" shims - but the bees absolutely insist on using the lower >> >entrance. Looking the situation over I decided it was because there was >> >no landing board up there on the 2nd floor so I installed an nice 5" >> >landing board that ran the full width of the entrance - still no bees. >> >Oh, they wander out on the landing board like they're enjoying the view >> >up there, but then they stroll right back in again - all the while >> >clouds of bees are coming & going out of the main entrance. I've even >> >watched as some land on the top landing board only to jump off and fly >> >down to the main entrance. >> > >> >I'm playing with the notion of blocking the main entrance with screen to >> >see if I can force them to use the top entrance and remove the screen in >> >a few days after they 'discover' the new way in. >> > >> >Do those of you who provide alternate entrances find the bees using >> >them??? >> > >> >AL > > > > >> 1/2" is probably a little much. The bees will use the upper opening >> when they are ready. Obviously they are still providing the brood >> nest. >> And yes, I drill a 1" hole in every super. >> >> beekeep > > > >They *are* filling the supers - two supers on two hives (single brood >boxes) almost filled but not capped. They just seem to prefer coming in >the bottom entrance, climbing up through the brood box and the QE to get >there. > >AL > > >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >-----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =----- The house bees are probably moving it up. Give them time. They will use it, especially if you get rid of the honey excluder. beekeep Article 34628 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: fs: honey extractor Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:10:13 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 3 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!aanews.merit.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!sjc70.webusenet.com!news.webusenet.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-post-01!supernews.com!corp.supernews.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34628 One posted on ebay if interested item # 2536937604 Article 34629 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 23:39:05 +0100 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.186.253 X-Trace: news6.svr.pol.co.uk 1054939182 19741 217.135.186.253 (6 Jun 2003 22:39:42 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Jun 2003 22:39:42 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34629 Hi Mark Glad you like the info - so much more to do, especially photos. You missed this bit: "The lugs are offset from the central position by 5" for two reasons. In use, the person with the longer handles walks at the front and the extra length prevents the hive from catching their heels; it also shifts some of the load to the person at the back, making it easier if there are two people of varying strength." Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "me" wrote in message news:EYmcndaiRJ-jFH2jXTWcqQ@crcom.net... > Hi Peter, > > Nice collection of good info on your web site. > > I really like the simple design of the hive carrier, but was looking at it > and noticed the handles are a little longer on one end than the other. Was > this on purpose, or does the picture make it look that way? > > Someday I'll have to post a picture of the gadget I made to twist hive > bodies to break them loose without disturbing those below it. > > Keep up the good work. > > (West Texas) Mark > Article 34630 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:35:17 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:35:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.195 X-Trace: sv3-c1cyQE4P7DX4KrrIt8SU9b0cB3ZKlT+s6vdWkhOapXr53HjoPQq5bI3dxnteEyWgvp+mQRdwr/gHNiO!swSIZWlZyIlQfIV14NXdbG3DPXRKJk+66Ym5xKOKo5xrXZ0C6prrmwYNO2gDAMduMPUyzf0= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!border1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34630 Guess I'd be tempted to just make the short end 5" longer too and let people grab it where ever they felt comfortable. It is a very good design though. Wonder if one could be made like it to carry hives with the normal U.S. hand grooves. Those things are very uncomfortable. (West Texas) Mark You missed this bit: "The lugs are offset from the central position by 5" for two reasons. In use, the person with the longer handles walks at the front and the extra length prevents the hive from catching their heels; it also shifts some of the load to the person at the back, making it easier if there are two people of varying strength." Best wishes Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ Article 34631 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:41:56 -0500 From: "me" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 19:42:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Lines: 14 NNTP-Posting-Host: 65.198.128.195 X-Trace: sv3-LkBZ2QlNft/6iGgOHOYFTcmhqtdMRpXkP4ouJ2hsrjvQBIO6DzsyEDh6uE+Ku0UV0Oe+P/MnSkNADbD!pEA1Jzx/0CdY3jP62OrB4Cs6caDeIMjd9Yr7gnEWgV2yEekXUsUnKZNw1nMMV/Zhcm3/PLg= X-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@crcom.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!216.166.71.14!border3.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.crcom.net!news.crcom.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34631 I've tried Imerie Shims between every other super and noticed few bees use the extra entrance. Somewhere I read that field bees don't deposit the nectar they collect. It's given to house bees to put where they want it. This being the case, it would make since that the upper entrances are seldomly used. (West Texas) Mark Do those of you who provide alternate entrances find the bees using them??? AL Article 34632 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:00:48 -0500 Message-ID: <3EE13679.2899068E@hcis.net> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 19:48:57 -0500 From: AL X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.240.93.187 X-Trace: sv3-ByPWnJmlLFQiNNFWXfathQSZtbiA8bkwYPr47uHKHzKouERhcbFETaxhEXfKyyp3G2sVjvxoxBPjuwK!J/xiTOuZIoj3Zl0t8KcOfERGcF7uQDURZ8U3oWxEah3S4JAYs19KDwzxpYJqrj18MY2wOoc= X-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: abuse@shawneelink.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.shawneelink.net!news.shawneelink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34632 me wrote: > > I've tried Imerie Shims between every other super and noticed few bees use > the extra entrance. Somewhere I read that field bees don't deposit the > nectar they collect. It's given to house bees to put where they want it. > This being the case, it would make since that the upper entrances are > seldomly used. > I seem to recall reading that too. AL Article 34633 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Top entrance Date: 6 Jun 2003 21:46:36 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 20 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0306062046.55105376@posting.google.com> References: <3EE00FAA.4DDD5053@hcis.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.246.200.32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054961196 27951 127.0.0.1 (7 Jun 2003 04:46:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2003 04:46:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34633 I have holes drilled in my supers but I also have hives where I just pull a super back to provide an entrance all the way across the front. If you ever need to plug a hole just roll up a ball of wax scrapings from the cover or top of the frames. As much as I respect George Imrie's beekeeping a shim is just one more piece of equipment. As for bottom boards they are cut off flush with the hive and have a piece of harware cloth wrapped to provide a year round mouse guard. Inner covers have a hole drilled in one corner so you can fill a division board feeder without prying it up. Today I split and requeened a hive that was a bit snotty, the bees seem to fall or roll off the frames in clumps. Finding the queen was a challange I think she was a runner too. Beautiful brood pattern fat healthy queen just not fun to work. Both halves got a NWC queen. In another yard there was a fallen tree atop a row of five hives. It must have happened during the thunderstorm a few days ago. I am curious to hear about the miticide "Checkmite" Article 34634 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: moving bees Date: 6 Jun 2003 21:57:53 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 14 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0306062057.e081029@posting.google.com> References: <3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.246.200.32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054961874 28371 127.0.0.1 (7 Jun 2003 04:57:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2003 04:57:54 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34634 "vinel10" wrote in message news:<3edf5f59_1@corp.newsgroups.com>... > when I first got my bees I put them in the shade now I found out there > is too much shade and I need to move them about three hundred feet or > so how is the best way to move them I hear three feet or three miles > I dont have any help to lift the hive and I'm afraid I may drop it > any suggestions ? we have been having rain about every other day > and it is very damp where I have them now thanks > > > > Working alone can be fun. If you decide to move them you can just move them a box at a time. 20 or 30 ft if the bees have a line of sight they will settle out fairly soon. An extra bottom board is handy. Article 34635 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: bamboo@localnet.com (Beecrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Burr Comb Date: 6 Jun 2003 22:04:35 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Lines: 10 Message-ID: <23e8adb1.0306062104.1190079e@posting.google.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.246.200.32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1054962276 28759 127.0.0.1 (7 Jun 2003 05:04:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2003 05:04:36 GMT Path: news.unc.edu!canoe.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34635 "Charles \"Stretch\" Ledford" wrote in message news:... > My colony for some reason is dead set on drawing burr comb, rather than > comb directly off the foundation. They use the foundation, but then > draw it in such a way as the comb itself is two sided, off a bit from > the foundation. I'm using Duragilt, which is wax coated, and I wonder > if that's the problem. > > Any ideas anyone? About the why, and the what to do? Duragilt sucks! Article 34636 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Peter Edwards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 08:26:37 +0100 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.135.196.153 X-Trace: newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk 1054970831 12558 217.135.196.153 (7 Jun 2003 07:27:11 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 7 Jun 2003 07:27:11 GMT X-Complaints-To: abuse@theplanet.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4922.1500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4925.2800 Path: news.unc.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!diablo.theplanet.net!news.theplanet.net!not-for-mail Xref: news.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:34636 There was a similar carrier shown in Bee Culture recently, designed for Langstroth hives but without the hinge in the cross section. I emailed Kim and he is going to use my letter and photos. Peter Edwards beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ "me" wrote in message news:vwidnW7LipvYrnyjXTWcow@crcom.net... > Guess I'd be tempted to just make the short end 5" longer too and let people > grab it where ever they felt comfortable. It is a very good design though. > Wonder if one could be made like it to carry hives with the normal U.S. hand > grooves. Those things are very uncomfortable. > > (West Texas) Mark > > You missed this bit: > > "The lugs are offset from the central position by 5" for two reasons. In > use, the person with the longer handles walks at the front and the extra > length prevents the hive from catching their heels; it also shifts some of > the load to the person at the back, making it easier if there are two people > of varying strength." > > Best wishes > > Peter Edwards > beekeepers@stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk > www.stratford-upon-avon.freeserve.co.uk/ > Article 34637 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Bob Seaman" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: hive carrier Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 07:41:59 -0300 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2727.1300 X-Complaints-To: abuse@supernews.com Lines: 45 Path: news.unc.edu!elk.ncren.net!news.umass.edu!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.