Article 12641 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan strips Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 01:58:37 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6kt1se$g43$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <1998053103015900.XAA05218@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.12 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 01 01:58:37 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12641 In article <1998053103015900.XAA05218@ladder03.news.aol.com>, olymbos@aol.com (Olymbos) wrote: > > Does anyone have any information on the effect of it to honey, or any possible > contamination? What kind of chemical is the active ingredient, and how is this > chemical handled safely by humans? any concerns by any fellow Beekeepers?? > Nicholas H. > follow label instructions and treat only when NO honey for human consumption is being made - wear latex gloves when handing the fluvalinate impregnated plastic strips - no honey contamination will result by following these simple precautions on the label Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12642 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!rquillen From: rquillen@rquillen.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (Robert C. Quillen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: package's queen a dud Date: 1 Jun 1998 04:08:09 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rquillen.bevd.blacksburg.va.us X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12642 Howdy, This is my first year at beekeeping. I installed 3 packages this spring. In one of them the queen is a lot smaller than the other 2 and isn't really laying many eggs. There are also drone caps scattered around in the worker brood (5-10 per frame). There are 3 supercedure cells. Should I let the bees replace the queen or buy a replacement? I'm worried about the success of the new queen mating. There are not any other colony's around to make drones. -Robert Article 12643 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: package's queen a dud Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 04:58:49 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6ktc9r$8ac$1@market.pe.net> References: <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp36.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12643 You installed each package in a separate hive body so that you have 3 colonies, right? I would say you are doing great. In my first year of beekeeping I just had one colony that Mike the Beekeeper set up for me. I made an observation hive that year to put in a frame of bees and brood and I ordered a queen to put in there but there was an error and I received a whole package so that I had to quickly buy a hive body and ten frames from Miller Honey in Fontana. So then I had two colonies and it turned out that the frame that I stuck in the observation hive had an old laying queen on it! Now I have two topbar hives and I like them better than the standard hive. In article <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, rquillen@rquillen.bevd.blacksburg.va.us (Robert C. Quillen) wrote: > >Howdy, > >This is my first year at beekeeping. I installed 3 packages this spring. >In one of them the queen is a lot smaller than the other 2 and isn't >really laying many eggs. There are also drone caps scattered around >in the worker brood (5-10 per frame). There are 3 supercedure cells. > >Should I let the bees replace the queen or buy a replacement? I'm worried >about the success of the new queen mating. There are not any other colony's >around to make drones. > >-Robert Article 12644 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: dougb713@aol.com (DougB713) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Other Groups Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998060117562300.NAA04727@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 1998 17:56:23 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12644 Can someone provide a list of other beekeeping discussion groups? Thanks Article 12645 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: macivor1@aol.com (Macivor1) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: what sort of bees are these? Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998060117381100.NAA28990@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 01 Jun 1998 17:38:11 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12645 i know nothing about bees. i live in san francisco, cal. and noticed, hanging from a tree, a mud, orb shaped hive. what sort of bees are these? can anyone help? how do i get rid of them? Article 12646 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!newsfeed1.uni2.dk!news.uni-c.dk!not-for-mail From: "flemming rasmussen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: winter kill Date: Mon, 1 Jun 1998 20:53:28 +0200 Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6kutj6$jck$1@news.uni-c.dk> References: <1998052721471500.RAA24583@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pm5-119.danbbs.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12646 ChuckLaser skrev i meddelelsen <1998052721471500.RAA24583@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >A friend of mine lost one of two vigorous hives (in the midwest) this winter. >When opened, some bees had made about 15 clusters and died there on the comb. >Evidence of mold and a small entrance made me think itwas moisture. The other >less vigorous hive had a larger opening and survived well. We took out 3 full >frames of good looking honey left by the dead bees. Is this a moisture problem >or something else ? I found no evidence of disease. > >Chuck hello It cut be virus that killd you friends bees.If ther larst summer wher many varoamites in the farmily, cut thei infekt you frinds bees.It happend offent heer in Danmark.It is wery importent to in-winter wheth so few mites as posible.(maybe the mites in you frinds familys are resistens?) Article 12647 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.250.21!netnews1.nw.verio.net!netnews.nwnet.net!news.nodak.edu!plains.NoDak.edu!altenbur From: altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu (Karl Altenburg) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: what sort of bees are these? Date: 1 Jun 1998 19:26:43 GMT Organization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6kuv9j$hck$1@node2.nodak.edu> References: <1998060117381100.NAA28990@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12647 Macivor1 (macivor1@aol.com) wrote: : i know nothing about bees. i live in san francisco, cal. and noticed, hanging : from a tree, a mud, orb shaped hive. what sort of bees are these? can anyone : help? how do i get rid of them? They are most likely wasps of some type. If the nest is made of paper rather than mud than I would say they are yellowjacket wasps or hornets. If it is clearly mud, then I would guess that its some kind of exotic import from the tropics (but that's just my guess, I'm from the midwest). Why do you want to git rid of them? Are they in the way of anyone? Are they aggressive towards you? -- Karl R Altenburg altenbur@plains.NoDak.edu North Dakota State University Fargo, ND 58105 http://www.acm.ndsu.NoDak.edu/~altenbur All things are artificial, for nature is the art of God. SIR THOMAS BROWNE Article 12648 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Berny" Subject: Beekeeping groups in Florida Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 14:41:09 -0400 Lines: 34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01BD8BD8.FC895F60" X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping NNTP-Posting-Host: 1Cust3.tnt13.atl2.da.uu.net [153.36.90.3] Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.68.143.79!upnetnews03!upnetnews05 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12648 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BD8BD8.FC895F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know of any Beekeeping groups in Florida (if possible South = Florida)??? 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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01BD8BD8.FC895F60-- Article 12649 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 18:59:35 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 64 Message-ID: <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.49 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896748997 EDOBMGQ.FB031D018C usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12649 I bought a buckfast queen to requeen with. Sunday I went out and set up another brood box, before I got to the hive I already had 10-20 bees buzzing me, Sunny light breeze about 90 degrees about 1pm. I gently smoked the entrance then cracked the top to add smoke and was immediately besieged by 100's of bees bouncing off my suite and vale. I added 1 gal of syrup and closed back up. Today I went out to add the new queen. I decided to put 3 frames of brood in the new hive body and the rest foundation. Same weather. I smoked the entrance and opened the back top and before I could get the smoke up to the lid I was again besieged by 100's of bees. I opened the hive smoked them and left. I walked around the house 75 feet and went in the garage. About 20 minuets later I went back out and they were waiting for me at the door. I went back to the hive and took out 3 frames and shook the bees off into the old hive and put them in the new hive and added the queen cage. I had to leave again as there were many hundreds of bees bouncing off my suite and leaving stingers in it and my gloves, Only 2 got through to sting me. I again walked around the house long way and went in. 1/2 hour later I went back out and there was a trail of bees all the around the house, I could see them. I went back to the hive and hastily closed it back up leaving out a few frames of foundation. By now there was a cloud of bees all around me and the house, I could not get away from them even after walking several hundred feet and trying to sneak in the house through another door. I brought about 50 in with me. I stayed outside about 1/2 hour and just walked to get away from them. Its now been over 1 hour and looking out the 2nd story window that overlooks the hive about 30 ft from the house and I see a few bees hanging around the screen. I left the smoker by the back door and looking out that window I see about 20 bees hanging around it. I used straw (hay) for fuel. Maby they dont like that. My house is 50ft long and that door is about 90 ft from the hive on the other side of the house. Ive had 40 hives and never have I had this much trouble. If they don't have african in them then there is something drastically wrong. The single brood box weighs about 40-50 lb. now. I dont have any Idea how Im ever going to get to the old queen to kill her, I cant stand around the hive that long. Every frame I pick up I get about 200 more bees atacking me. I couldnt even remove the feeder, which since yesterday is empty. Any Ideas or Comments welcome? Larry Larry WIlliard wrote: > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > queen. Should I requeen? > Thanks for your help > > Larry Article 12650 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.sgi.net!pitt.edu!not-for-mail From: Tony Capon Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bee keeper's insurance Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 21:06:14 -0700 Organization: University of Pittsburgh at Johnstown Lines: 32 Message-ID: <35737A36.4BA46052@imap.pitt.edu> References: <6kf4fl$p7j@shell2.shore.net> <1998053017302500.NAA07517@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jbddup-a-11.rmt.net.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win16; U) To: Pollinator Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12650 Pollinator wrote: > > In article <6kf4fl$p7j@shell2.shore.net>, thiett@shore.net (Tim Hiett) writes: > > >I own a small orchard in Massachussetts where I allow a local beekeeper > >to place his hives. I've recently been concerned about liability claims > >since my orchard is in a tightly packed neighborhood. I'm wondering > >what options I may have for insurance coverage. Are there beekeeping > >associations that offer insurance for property owners or hive owners? > > Try Roger Starks at Howalt-McDowell Insurance, Inc. 800-584-7054. > > Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA > The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html > > Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) > http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm -- Have you checked with your homeowners insurance company? They may already be covered. I found out from my company that I'm covered for liability for my bees, regardless of whether I have them on my property or someone else's, providing I'm not keeping them as a business (in which case I would need business insurance). If you allow a beekeeper to keep his bees in your orchard, you may be covered, particularly if you don't charge him for doing so. I keep my bees in my neighbor's orchard, because it has a fence to keep the bears out (we share the honey) and both his insurance company and mine tell us we both covered under each of our homeowners policies. TC Article 12651 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Wax Worms-- HELP!!! Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 02:54:08 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <357367bb.123420709@news.earthlink.net> References: <35716CDC.7122@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 2cust49.tnt1.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12651 Jim Owen wrote: >I've got 6 hives, two are thick with bees, the other four are mid to >lite populations. Of these four, two are thick with wax worms one has a >few, and one is essentially clean. > >Jim Owen >Dallas Jim, you might want to make sure that the affected hives have a good, disease-free brood nest and varroa is controlled. Waxworms (moth) are typically only a problem in weak hives. A short-term solution is to move some of he boxes that are showing moth damage to your stronger hives. My hives are also in the Dallas area, and moth has always been an the "undertaker" when there is a different, more serious problem in the hives. Regards, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 12652 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kelley's 7-11 Foundation or Queen Excluder Date: 2 Jun 1998 03:40:49 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-8.sl040.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12652 There have been quite a few posts in this group on the subject of Queen Excluders. I have used Kelley's 7-11 foundation successfully without an excluder. Why is this approach not more generally accepted? Article 12653 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: 2 Jun 1998 04:23:32 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 96 Message-ID: <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.38.228 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12653 Geez Larry, my wife would have a cow! As a contrast to your experience, I worked on both of the hives in my 40' x 40' back yard while 3 kids played and the wife worked about the garden. The project of the day was Q marking and of course she was in the bottom deep in both below another deep and 3 supers. Needless to say, I had the things torn down to the ground. No one was even buzzed. Although I initially felt you should give her some more time, sounds like she has to go. Hopefully someone can give you some tips on quickly finding a Q in a difficult hive. Does she at least lay a decent pattern? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Larry Williard wrote in article <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net>... > I bought a buckfast queen to requeen with. Sunday I went out and set up > another brood box, before I got to the hive I already had 10-20 bees > buzzing me, Sunny light breeze about 90 degrees about 1pm. I gently smoked > > the entrance then cracked the top to add smoke and was immediately > besieged by 100's of bees bouncing off my suite and vale. I added 1 gal of > > syrup and closed back up. > Today I went out to add the new queen. I decided to put 3 frames of > brood in the new hive body and the rest foundation. Same weather. I smoked > > the entrance and opened the back top and before I could get the smoke up > to the lid I was again besieged by 100's of bees. I opened the hive smoked > > them and left. I walked around the house 75 feet and went in the garage. > About 20 minuets later I went back out and they were waiting for me at the > > door. I went back to the hive and took out 3 frames and shook the bees off > > into the old hive and put them in the new hive and added the queen cage. I > > had to leave again as there were many hundreds of bees bouncing off my > suite and leaving stingers in it and my gloves, Only 2 got through to > sting me. I again walked around the house long way and went in. 1/2 hour > later I went back out and there was a trail of bees all the around the > house, I could see them. I went back to the hive and hastily closed it > back up leaving out a few frames of foundation. By now there was a cloud > of bees all around me and the house, I could not get away from them even > after walking several hundred feet and trying to sneak in the house > through another door. I brought about 50 in with me. I stayed outside > about 1/2 hour and just walked to get away from them. Its now been over 1 > hour and looking out the 2nd story window that overlooks the hive about 30 > ft from the house and I see a few bees hanging around the screen. I left > the smoker by the back door and looking out that window I see about 20 > bees hanging around it. I used straw (hay) for fuel. Maby they dont like > that. My house is 50ft long and that door is about 90 ft from the hive on > the other side of the house. > Ive had 40 hives and never have I had this much trouble. If they don't > have african in them > then there is something drastically wrong. The single brood box weighs > about 40-50 lb. now. I dont have any Idea how Im ever going to get to the > old queen to kill her, I cant stand around the hive that long. Every frame > I pick up I get about 200 more bees atacking me. I couldnt even remove the > feeder, which since yesterday is empty. > > Any Ideas or Comments welcome? > > Larry > > > > Larry WIlliard wrote: > > > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > > queen. Should I requeen? > > Thanks for your help > > > > Larry > > > > Article 12654 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: package's queen a dud Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 17:36:44 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3573491C.53F5@kingston.net> References: <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 59-g1.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12654 Robert C. Quillen wrote: > > Howdy, > > This is my first year at beekeeping. I installed 3 packages this spring. > In one of them the queen is a lot smaller than the other 2 and isn't > really laying many eggs. There are also drone caps scattered around > in the worker brood (5-10 per frame). There are 3 supercedure cells. > > Should I let the bees replace the queen or buy a replacement? I'm worried > about the success of the new queen mating. There are not any other colony's > around to make drones. > > -Robert Hi Robert, I agree with Peter, your doing fine. My queen was superceded this spring also. There aren't many other hives around so I was concerned with inbreeding. Everything is fine and she is laying a nice pattern. I find that the bees know what to do. Remember that it takes 16 days to hatch. Then aprox. another 6 days to become mature. So you won't see eggs for about 24 days. So check in 4 weeks. You'll know then. Of course if you buy a queen and can get one soon then your brood down time is reduced. Since you are probably not making a living keeping bees I would let the supercedure go ahead. You can always requeen her later if it doesn't work out. That was my reasoning concerning my situation. Keep us posted. Kent Stienburg Article 12655 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kelley's 7-11 Foundation or Queen Excluder Date: 2 Jun 1998 17:26:21 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6l1cjt$8p6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.168 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12655 Let me profess my ignorance, but what is Kelley's 7-11 foundation. Local supplier only handles what Dadant & Sons can supply. More info or a link would be greatly appreciated. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Jerome R. Long wrote in article <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > There have been quite a few posts in this group on the subject of Queen > Excluders. I have used Kelley's 7-11 foundation successfully without an > excluder. Why is this approach not more generally accepted? > > Article 12656 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Lines: 87 Message-ID: <1998060217232700.NAA16447@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 02 Jun 1998 17:23:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12656 From: Larry Williard >Every frame I pick up I get about 200 more bees atacking me. I couldnt even remove the feeder, which since yesterday is empty. Any Ideas or Comments welcome?<< Larry, You may have a remnant of the old german black bee, which could be real bad. Or hybrid bees have reverted. There's always some genetic stock around that can produce mean bees, though it has been much diminished by the loss of feral bees to varroa, pesticide misuse, and clearcut logging. Make a nuc of your new queen, by giving her 2-3 frames of sealed brood and a frame of honey, in a new hive. You might want to give her a few days to get established. Then move the mean hive a short distance away. Set your new nuc in the position of your old hive. This will collect the field force (the old bees, most likely to sting), and they will be mean for a couple weeks, until the field force dies off. Let the old hive in the new position have a day or two of good flying. Most of the old bees will not return, they will go to the nuc on the old site, since they have habituated to it. Then go through the mean hive and look for the queen. You will now have young bees (and a lot fewer of them) and they will be much gentler. If they still will not let you work, move the hive again and let them fly for a few more hours. It's best to work a mean hive early, when the old bees have just begun flying. Around 4 - 5 pm they can start getting real bad again, and at dusk they can be unbelievable. Find that old queen and KILL that mama. Then you can requeen to start another hive, or recombine with your nuc. They will be gentle as soon as the current generation dies off - at most about six weeks. Some reasons for bees to be mean: 1. Genetic predisposition - assumed to be the main cause here. This is a permanent situation unless you intervene by requeening with gentle stock. 2. Strong hive plugged out. Give them space and they'll quiet down. 3. Strong hive with honey flow ending suddenly: bloom over, prolonged rainy days, etc. Buckwheat flows end abruptly at noon. Don't work buckwheat bees in the afternoon. 4. Too high a proportion of old bees in hive due to failing queen, brood death from chalkbrood, foulbrood, pesticide damage. Or can be a premature shut down of the queen due to plugging out....see 2. 5. Light damage from some pesticides will make bees very mean. Sevin is one. 6. Hives kept continuously agitated: Nocturnal skunk or other preditor visits; kids throwing stuff at hives or roaring through bee yards with those idiot machines. Note: If dogs continuously pester chickens, they will stop laying....... 7. Even very good hives will get bad late in the day, or at night, particularly if it is hot. 8. Rough handling crushes a lot of bees, releasing alarm odor. One bad hive in a yard of good bees can do the same. Work known bad hives last. 9. Robbing: When bees rob they get superdefensive, because strong hives will attempt to rob weak hives. Care to avoid spilled honey in yards is a good idea. Leaving wet supers to be cleaned out is not. If you have a location with ONE hive, and no others nearby, then you could let them clean out wet supers. If there are multiple hives, they will likely soon attack each other and every other thing that moves. Probably could think of some others, given some time. Maybe other beekeepers can add to the list. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12657 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kelley's 7-11 Foundation or Queen Excluder Date: 2 Jun 1998 19:13:07 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 52 Message-ID: <6l1is3$81i@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6l1cjt$8p6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35743E75.AC06E5E7@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.61 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12657 I would appreciate a pic of the page. I wonder if it is any different than the thin surplus that I buy for cut comb. Problem is that it does not hold up well to extracting. Let us know how the requeening with the Buckfast goes! -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Larry Williard wrote in article <35743E75.AC06E5E7@fcbl.net>... > Kelly doesnt have a web page or even a computer or an 800 number. there > number is 1-502-242-2012, according to the latest catalog. 7-11 is cut comb > foundation for producing comb honey in shallow frames. The cell foundation is > milled larger than brood cells and smaller then drone cells and they say the > queen does NOT like to lay in these but ocassionally do to some extent. If > you want me to scan the page and email it to you let me know. > Larry > > George Styer wrote: > > > Let me profess my ignorance, but what is Kelley's 7-11 foundation. Local > > supplier only handles what Dadant & Sons can supply. More info or a link > > would be greatly appreciated. > > -- > > Geo > > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > > > Jerome R. Long wrote in article > > <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > > > There have been quite a few posts in this group on the subject of Queen > > > Excluders. I have used Kelley's 7-11 foundation successfully without an > > > excluder. Why is this approach not more generally accepted? > > > > > > > > > > Article 12658 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protective Clothing for Beekeepers Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:09:04 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6l1m46$i4u$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-76.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12658 View our web page at http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html and contact me, Robin Mountain, for prices and further information. My e-mail address is mountbee@iafrica.com , and my fax no. is +27 1782 2768 begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12659 In article <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com>, Bob Gercak wrote: >I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone >be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested >in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the >expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a >hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Click on FAQ Files Click on Beekeeping Book FAQ Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12660 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.telenordia.se!uni-erlangen.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news.uni-jena.de!news.tu-ilmenau.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Schuetz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: H E L P ! ! ! Laying worker Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:36:14 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Ilmenau Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3573B97E.41C6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> References: <01bd8c3f$6677d6c0$bbb772ce@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: fresnel.wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; AIX 1) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12660 it is only useful if there are enough worker bees in the hive 1. clean the hive ( take all bees outside) 2. take a frame with eggs ( or brood up to 3 days) and frames with worker brood (not to many) to the hive (worker bees exept the laying workers will come back to their hive, perhaps clean the entrance in order to prevent to many drones from coming back) 3. look into the hive after 3 days (you will now find queen cells, if you could get a queen you can add it now to the hive) Article 12661 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.ipass.net!not-for-mail From: "Greg Mitchell" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 01:19:23 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ts2-74-ppp.ipass.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 21:19:23 EDT Organization: iPass.Net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12661 If you don't already have First Lessons in BEEKEEPING by C.P. Dadant it is quite good and is published by Dadant & Sons in Hamilton Illinois. Should you look in the library, the Library of Congress card number is 75-38347 and the ISBN Number 0 915698-02-1. You'll also want to find a local bee club to learn about weather, flowers, and other differences in your area. Good luck! Bob Gercak wrote in message <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com>... >I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone >be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested >in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the >expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a >hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. > > Article 12662 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Richard Hackworth" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 22:15:20 -0400 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.1.217.202 Message-ID: <3574b1f8.0@199.103.243.32> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.hardlink.com!199.103.243.32!207.1.217.202 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12662 "How to Keep Bees and Sale Honey" is the book you are looking for.Written by Walter T. Kelly. 1-800-233-2899 $5.00 + shipping. Bob Gercak wrote in message <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com>... >I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone >be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested >in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the >expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a >hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. > > Article 12663 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees & Minerals Date: 3 Jun 1998 03:33:06 GMT Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1998060303330600.XAA26794@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12663 Summer heat has set in early here in South Carolina. It's been in the mid and upper 90's now for two weeks (99 yesterday!). Needless to say, we work with soaking wet clothes, and are fighting heat exhaustion. One day last week, I had chills and got sick. Now I am carrying pedialight for electolytes. It does seem to help. Maybe it's not just me needing minerals. I've seen a new phenomenon that I've never observed -- bees landing on my arms and drinking sweat! I would assume that bees will naturally get all the salts and minerals they need in their normal food supply. Perhaps the extreme heat makes an exception? Or are the organic folks right when they say our soils and plants are becoming depleted and deficient of minerals? Has anyone ever studied the mineral requirements of the bees. I recall years ago, an old time beekeeper who somehow fed cattle minerals to his bees. At the time, I thought it was an odd idea without any support. But perhaps some supplemental minerals would be a smart idea? Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12664 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: package's queen a dud Date: 2 Jun 1998 12:29:14 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6l0r6q$fc6$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12664 In article <6kt9f9$e34$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Robert C. Quillen wrote: >Howdy, > >This is my first year at beekeeping. I installed 3 packages this spring. >In one of them the queen is a lot smaller than the other 2 and isn't >really laying many eggs. There are also drone caps scattered around >in the worker brood (5-10 per frame). There are 3 supercedure cells. > >Should I let the bees replace the queen or buy a replacement? I'm worried >about the success of the new queen mating. There are not any other colony's >around to make drones. Well if your anywhere in Blacksburg, or in the Tech area there are plenty of good drones flying around. ;-) email me if you need help Adam (Someone from the same town as me is asking questions on sci.agriculture.beekeeping--now that's the Internet.) -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12665 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kelley's 7-11 Foundation or Queen Excluder Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 13:03:33 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 29 Message-ID: <35743E75.AC06E5E7@fcbl.net> References: <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <6l1cjt$8p6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896810609 EDOBMGQ.FB02CD018C usenet14.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12665 Kelly doesnt have a web page or even a computer or an 800 number. there number is 1-502-242-2012, according to the latest catalog. 7-11 is cut comb foundation for producing comb honey in shallow frames. The cell foundation is milled larger than brood cells and smaller then drone cells and they say the queen does NOT like to lay in these but ocassionally do to some extent. If you want me to scan the page and email it to you let me know. Larry George Styer wrote: > Let me profess my ignorance, but what is Kelley's 7-11 foundation. Local > supplier only handles what Dadant & Sons can supply. More info or a link > would be greatly appreciated. > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > Jerome R. Long wrote in article > <6kvs81$oms$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > > There have been quite a few posts in this group on the subject of Queen > > Excluders. I have used Kelley's 7-11 foundation successfully without an > > excluder. Why is this approach not more generally accepted? > > > > Article 12666 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!falcon!viper.america.net!not-for-mail From: "Brenton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Quick, Help an instant beekeeper, three swarms rich. Date: Tue, 2 Jun 1998 23:01:28 -0500 Organization: Internet Services Lines: 72 Message-ID: <6l2ke4$57t$1@viper.america.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max4-11.nemr.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12666 Hello Brent here, I need realy quick advice. Please email if you can help. myersXnemr.net (change the X to an @, must foil the junkmail) All of the sudden I am a beekeeper. Yesterday I found what appeared to be 2 seperate swarms. One in the crook of a small maple tree, the other on the ground ten feet away. So within ten minutes I had connected up to the net and searched up exactly what I should do. I got some sheets and two boxes and set to work. I suited up in a makeshift outfit of mesh, a big hat, some heavy clothing and gloves. First I placed a box over the swarm on the gound. The bees did their thing as I left it there for them to occupy. While doing so I clipped a few branches on the maple so I could get a box up close. I was curious about the queen, wondering if this was the same swarm or if there were two queens. (Ten feet apart.) So I dug into the bivhuac at the densest spot to see if she was in there. I saw a much bigger bee which I guessed to be a queen. Next I positioned the box, bent the tree over an shook hard. About 2/3 of the bees fell into the box and air. I quickly placed it upside down on the sheet, propped up by a rock. But there were still lots of bees on the branch, and after letting the flyers settle a bit they continued to cluster on the tree. I dug in there and saw again a larger bee I thought was the queen. I scooped up a handfull of bees around the queen and stuck them all up inside the box. I let the bees settle until after dark. It got cool and the bees were quiet. With my headlamp I checked up inside and found that most of the bees had moved to the swarm on the ground. I moved both boxes away from the tree where they would be in the shade in the morning. I stayed up till 3:00 am building a Kenya Top Bar Hive. Plans from the internet. It took me most of the next morning to finish all of the top bars and by mid morning today a few bees were clustering on the tree again. At this point there are 3 clusters. One large one, and two small ones. I looked at the swarm on the tree and there is still one of those queen looking bees on there. I put a box over the swarm in the tree and they are up in there now. Three boxes, three swarms. So, here are my questions: Do I have three queens? Should I merge the swarms? Could some of these be queenless swarms? Is there such a thing? Are the bees on the tree just attracted to their old spot? There's bits of wax they might feel invested in. I am considering making some small "nuc" boxes for the other 2 small swarms, good idea? What does "nuc" mean? I have scraped up and picked off as much wax as I could from the tree and boxes. If I drop it in the hive will they use it? From what I know about bees (heresay mainly) they only hive up around a queen, but I just read an article about queenles hives. The big swarm is clustered up in my new KTB Hive with a ziplock baggie of sugar syrup and a little honey. They are munching on it. They seem like they might be home. I hope so since I have worked hard and late to make them feel welcome. So thanks if you read this far, please respond quickly if you can help me with a little advice. I need to move quickly on these two remaining swarms. I don't want to waste any time or stir them up any more than I have to. Thanks very much, Brent Myers Instant Beekeeper myersXnemr.net (change the X to an @) Article 12667 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drwawman@aol.com (Dr Wawman) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Date: 3 Jun 1998 11:46:31 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <1998060311463100.HAA25191@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <6k6ia9$56@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12667 Kent Stienburg wrote in message <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net>... >Does anybody have experience with the Buckfast strain. I am thinking of >requeening. Give me your opinions please. > >Thanks Kent I ordered 2 Buckfast random mated queens directly from Buckfast Abbey earlier this year. However, yesterday I received a letter from the Abbey saying that they discovered American Foul Brood in some Buckfast apiaries. As a result, they are withdrawing all queen sales for this year, but hope to start selling next year. As regards price, they were charging 21.50 pounds for each marked, clipped, random mated queen. I will still probably order some for next year though as I have a couple of very aggressive hives that could do with a completely new queen. Article 12668 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Quick, Help an instant beekeeper, three swarms rich. Lines: 28 Message-ID: <1998060312302000.IAA27295@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 1998 12:30:20 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6l2ke4$57t$1@viper.america.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12668 From: "Brenton" >The big swarm is clustered up in my new KTB Hive with a ziplock baggie of
>sugar syrup and a little honey. Congratulations on your sudden riches (in swarms). I've got to go deliver some bees to cucumber fields, so I am unable right now to answer more of your questions. But you seem to be very much on the right track. One thing however, I MUST respond to quickly. Don't feed store bought honey to your bees. That is a sure way to introduce disease spores to your swarms. Just think: honey from ten thousand hives may have been mixed in the tank. All it takes to contaminate it is some honey from one diseased hive. Since it doesn't affect humans, there is not too much concern about this from the packers. But it sure can affect someone who gives it back to bees. Commercial beekeepers rarely feed honey, but when they do, they medicate against disease at the same time. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12669 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrtphba6.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:16:41 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 14 Message-ID: <35753EA9.5447@nt.com> References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12669 Bob Gercak wrote: > > I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone > be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested > in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the > expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a > hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. Guide to Bees and Honey by Ted Hooper ISBN 0-7137-2244-4 -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12670 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrtphba6.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: extracting honey Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 13:24:35 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 19 Message-ID: <35754083.3F12@nt.com> References: Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.38.136.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12670 Vicky Campbell wrote: > > We are just about to get our first frames of capped honey, is it possible to > extract the honey by drining it, if so can someone suggerst a suitable > vessel. I live in the UK. > Vicky You should join your local beekeeping association, most have equipment that can be borrowed or hired at usually peppercorn rates. Even if they don't have equipment for hire one of the other members will lend you an extractor for a day or two. If you let me know where you live I can get a local contact for you or you could look at the BBKA website http://www.bbka.demon.co.uk/index.htm and follow the link to Member Associations. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12671 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:40:26 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 112 Message-ID: <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896802023 EDOBMGQ.FB02CD018C usenet14.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12671 The wife aint to happy after she got stung above the eye while watering the roses about 50 ft from the hive last week.. The pattern is full and in the middle, shes a laying fool. Had I opened that hive without a suite I probley would be dead. We went to town last evening about 6 hours after opening the hive and there were still some waiting at the door and we got buzzed, still hanging around the smoker. Last night I moved the new hive to the other side of the house. I sure hope they accept the new queen. When I had 40 hives they worked like yours, I had several about 25 ft from the house and nobody ever got stung. Larry George Styer wrote: > Geez Larry, my wife would have a cow! > > As a contrast to your experience, I worked on both of the hives in my 40' x > 40' back yard while 3 kids played and the wife worked about the garden. The > project of the day was Q marking and of course she was in the bottom deep > in both below another deep and 3 supers. Needless to say, I had the things > torn down to the ground. No one was even buzzed. > > Although I initially felt you should give her some more time, sounds like > she has to go. Hopefully someone can give you some tips on quickly finding > a Q in a difficult hive. Does she at least lay a decent pattern? > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > Larry Williard wrote in article > <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net>... > > I bought a buckfast queen to requeen with. Sunday I went out and set up > > another brood box, before I got to the hive I already had 10-20 bees > > buzzing me, Sunny light breeze about 90 degrees about 1pm. I gently > smoked > > > > the entrance then cracked the top to add smoke and was immediately > > besieged by 100's of bees bouncing off my suite and vale. I added 1 gal > of > > > > syrup and closed back up. > > Today I went out to add the new queen. I decided to put 3 frames of > > brood in the new hive body and the rest foundation. Same weather. I > smoked > > > > the entrance and opened the back top and before I could get the smoke up > > to the lid I was again besieged by 100's of bees. I opened the hive > smoked > > > > them and left. I walked around the house 75 feet and went in the garage. > > About 20 minuets later I went back out and they were waiting for me at > the > > > > door. I went back to the hive and took out 3 frames and shook the bees > off > > > > into the old hive and put them in the new hive and added the queen cage. > I > > > > had to leave again as there were many hundreds of bees bouncing off my > > suite and leaving stingers in it and my gloves, Only 2 got through to > > sting me. I again walked around the house long way and went in. 1/2 hour > > later I went back out and there was a trail of bees all the around the > > house, I could see them. I went back to the hive and hastily closed it > > back up leaving out a few frames of foundation. By now there was a cloud > > of bees all around me and the house, I could not get away from them even > > after walking several hundred feet and trying to sneak in the house > > through another door. I brought about 50 in with me. I stayed outside > > about 1/2 hour and just walked to get away from them. Its now been over 1 > > hour and looking out the 2nd story window that overlooks the hive about > 30 > > ft from the house and I see a few bees hanging around the screen. I left > > the smoker by the back door and looking out that window I see about 20 > > bees hanging around it. I used straw (hay) for fuel. Maby they dont like > > that. My house is 50ft long and that door is about 90 ft from the hive on > > the other side of the house. > > Ive had 40 hives and never have I had this much trouble. If they > don't > > have african in them > > then there is something drastically wrong. The single brood box weighs > > about 40-50 lb. now. I dont have any Idea how Im ever going to get to the > > old queen to kill her, I cant stand around the hive that long. Every > frame > > I pick up I get about 200 more bees atacking me. I couldnt even remove > the > > feeder, which since yesterday is empty. > > > > Any Ideas or Comments welcome? > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > Larry WIlliard wrote: > > > > > I started a hive last month from a package. At first the bees were > > > very calm, I could open the hive without gloves or bee suite and add > > > sugar water, now that the 2nd round of brood has hatched they are very > > > aggressive, no way will I open it without bee suite. I suspect its the > > > queen. Should I requeen? > > > Thanks for your help > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > > > Article 12672 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: heinzedjak@aol.com (HeinzeDJAK) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998060314345200.KAA06115@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 03 Jun 1998 14:34:52 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998060311463100.HAA25191@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12672 You may already know this, but I think R. Weaver apiaries carry the buckfast strain as well. Here is their site: Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Southern Illinois - 190+ Acre Farm Date: 3 Jun 1998 14:40:26 GMT Organization: Adams NetWorks Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd8efc$daae4a00$84ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp02-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12675 Southern Illinois - 190+ acre farm with 26 acres apples, 20 acres peaches, 2 acres nectarines, 4 acres strawberries, plus hay, row crop and pasture acreage. Includes farm market (annual sales of $250,000+), equipment, two houses, mobile home and support buildings. Approximately 60 miles south of St. Louis. colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 12676 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.150.160.22!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 11:43:09 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 35 Message-ID: <35757D1D.A4F05EEA@fcbl.net> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.43 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 896892369 EDOBMGQ.FB02BD018C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12676 Allen: I think most beekeepers that want to manage 100 hives would not be essay writers. I also think that essays are subjective to the liking of the reader and not fair. Im sure that many beekeepers and others are not articulate just plain folk. I think a random drawing by an independent non related person is more fair. Just my opinion Larry Allen Welk wrote: > I have a friend who currently has more hives than he > want to manage. He is considering offering a raffle > style contest that has been done a few times. > > He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 > hives for $250USD. The entrant would pay the fee and > have to write a short essay on why they want to keep > bees. The winner would be chosen by the quality of the > esay that they write. > > I see problems with this, but it has worked before for > houses, cars and other items so who knows. > > He dosen't have internet access so he asked me to > through this out for feelers....... > > Anyone have input? good or bad, Pro of Con. > > Thanks, Al Article 12677 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!falcon!viper.america.net!not-for-mail From: "Brenton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Foundation questions from a new TBH beekeeper. Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:32:43 -0500 Organization: Internet Services Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max4-15.nemr.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12677 Will this work? I have always wanted to have bees, yesterday I got my chance. Moving quickly to capture a swarm, I made a Kenya Top Bar Hive. I live in a small town and the only beeswax I could obtain were two small patties from a sewing supply store. Not enough to make foundation. I searched the net and found some information about simply creating a ridge the bees would orient to. I digested the information and moving quickly I sawed grooves in the top bars. In the grooves I hot-glued cardboard strips to which I applied wax by vigourously rubbing it on as thickly as I could. I am worried that the cardboard is too thick 1/8". What do you think? The bees are in the hive now, and time will tell if they are being cooperative. I am considering traveling to find some beeswax to do the job right and replace the setup I have going. I will definitely do so if they are cross combing. What are my chances here? Thanks for reading, Brent - Instant beekeeper. Article 12678 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!falcon!viper.america.net!not-for-mail From: "Brenton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Instant beekeeper thanks the group. Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:12:36 -0500 Organization: Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6l3v96$8hm$1@viper.america.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max4-15.nemr.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12678 Special thanks to: Jerome Marot-lassauzaie Dave Green Jim Owen The internet is an amazing phenomenon. This newsgroup is representative of the high quality people of the many special intrest groups of proffesionals and hobbyists who always seem interested in helping someone with questions. The immediate responses of the above people helped me move quickly before a storm came through this morning. I was worried that the boxes of bees would be disturbed by the heavy weather that is going through right now. I merged my swarms, and have them sealed up in the shed while they decide if they have more than one queen. I still have questions as to why there were two and then three distinctive bunches of bees. I will post another question seperately. Thank you all, Brenton Article 12679 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:13:58 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> <35753EA9.5447@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 896902417 nnrp-09:24770 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12679 In article <35753EA9.5447@nt.com>, Adrian Kyte writes >Guide to Bees and Honey by Ted Hooper ISBN 0-7137-2244-4 Thats the UK edition. The US edition is ISBN 0-8137-328-8 So it depends on where Bob Gercak lives I reckon. -- Tom Speight Article 12680 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 20:30:32 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6eIonLAYRad1EwCC@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 896902418 nnrp-09:24770 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12680 In article <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net>, Allen Welk writes >He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 >hives for $250USD. Who pays carriage?? -- Tom Article 12681 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: 3 Jun 1998 18:27:17 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6l44i5$k7j@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.105 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12681 So, how exactly does $250USD translate to free? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Allen Welk wrote in article <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net>... > I have a friend who currently has more hives than he > want to manage. He is considering offering a raffle > style contest that has been done a few times. > > He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 > hives for $250USD. The entrant would pay the fee and > have to write a short essay on why they want to keep > bees. The winner would be chosen by the quality of the > esay that they write. > > I see problems with this, but it has worked before for > houses, cars and other items so who knows. > > He dosen't have internet access so he asked me to > through this out for feelers....... > > Anyone have input? good or bad, Pro of Con. > > Thanks, Al > Article 12682 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!131.96.1.11.MISMATCH!tattler!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: James D Satterfield Subject: Re: Foundation questions from a new TBH beekeeper. In-Reply-To: <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net> Message-ID: References: <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Lines: 34 Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:50:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.96.1.18 NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 14:50:13 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12682 On Wed, 3 Jun 1998, Brenton wrote: > Will this work? > > I have always wanted to have bees, yesterday I got my chance. Moving > quickly to capture a swarm, I made a Kenya Top Bar Hive. I live in a small > town and the only beeswax I could obtain were two small patties from a > sewing supply store. Not enough to make foundation. > Check out the tbh website at http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm I have used foundation starter strips made from brown paper grocery bags that have been dipped in beeswax. Cordially yours, Jim James D. Satterfield Canton is about 40 mi/64 km 258 Ridge Pine Drive north of Atlanta, Georgia USA Canton GA 30114 USA 34.24N, 084.47W (770) 479-4784 TBH Beekeeping: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/main.htm Mother Crochets: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/mom/crochet.htm Old Jim's Fowl Page: http://www.gsu.edu/~biojdsx/fowl/fowl.htm Article 12683 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!usenet From: "W J King" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: British Modified National Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 22:22:13 +0100 Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6l4bkn$ci$1@heliodor.xara.net> References: <6ki126$h1r$1@news1.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.126.84.217 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12683 Hi, The modified National is the most widely used hive in the UK Bjørn Andresen wrote in message <6ki126$h1r$1@news1.tele.dk>... >Hello, The modified is the most widely used hive in the UK. Arguably, its brood box is too small, accommodating only 11 BS frames. Plans are available from British Beekeepers Association (they have a web site), or bee book sellers; also IBRA and BIBBA. aA similar sized hive (in plan view) is the 'commercial', only a few milimetres difference, but deeper, and 'national' supers, q excluders, etc can be used. Sorry I don't have immediately available www site addresses. Bill. > >I would like to build my own Modified National Beehive. Can anybody tell me >where I can find the right measurements and eventually plans for this type >of hive? > >Thanks a lot for your help guys...great discussion list. > >Bjorn > > Article 12684 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> <6l44i5$k7j@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:29:04 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3575cfd1.1@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12684 George Styer wrote in message <6l44i5$k7j@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>... >So, how exactly does $250USD translate to free? >-- >Geo .....and wherever you are, have you checked that this kind of lottery (gambling!) is legal? -- JAF jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk Fir'yfarsanfevversonafrushesfroat. "God doesn't work at the BBC anymore.. He left after Noel Edmonds joined" Article 12685 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!uwm.edu!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.106.34!avalon.net!not-for-mail From: "parker-simkin" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: 3 Jun 1998 23:33:34 GMT Organization: Avalon Networks Inc. Lines: 38 Message-ID: <01bd8f47$6b03c0e0$942030c0@parkin.avalon.net> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> <6l44i5$k7j@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: x2-48.ic.avalon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12685 My favorite way to get free bees is to leave an old hive body with a few used frames in it to wait for a swarm to set up shop. Last year I had three in my garage alone where I keep my stuff, and this year only 1 so far, but the spring has been too wet for good population growth. George Styer wrote in article <6l44i5$k7j@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>... > So, how exactly does $250USD translate to free? > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > > Allen Welk wrote in article <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net>... > > I have a friend who currently has more hives than he > > want to manage. He is considering offering a raffle > > style contest that has been done a few times. > > > > He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 > > hives for $250USD. The entrant would pay the fee and > > have to write a short essay on why they want to keep > > bees. The winner would be chosen by the quality of the > > esay that they write. > > > > I see problems with this, but it has worked before for > > houses, cars and other items so who knows. > > > > He dosen't have internet access so he asked me to > > through this out for feelers....... > > > > Anyone have input? good or bad, Pro of Con. > > > > Thanks, Al > > > Article 12686 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net> Subject: Re: Foundation questions from a new TBH beekeeper. Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:32:09 +0100 Lines: 46 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3575cfd3.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12686 Brenton wrote in message <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net>... >Will this work? > >I have always wanted to have bees, yesterday I got my chance. Moving >quickly to capture a swarm, I made a Kenya Top Bar Hive. I live in a small >town and the only beeswax I could obtain were two small patties from a >sewing supply store. Not enough to make foundation. > >I searched the net and found some information about simply creating a ridge >the bees would orient to. I digested the information and moving quickly I >sawed grooves in the top bars. In the grooves I hot-glued cardboard strips >to which I applied wax by vigourously rubbing it on as thickly as I could. > >I am worried that the cardboard is too thick 1/8". What do you think? > >The bees are in the hive now, and time will tell if they are being >cooperative. I am considering traveling to find some beeswax to do the job >right and replace the setup I have going. I will definitely do so if they >are cross combing. > >What are my chances here? > >Thanks for reading, >Brent - Instant beekeeper. > > Because of the absorbency of the card, which may be low, but is still likely to exist, you probably have a stronger join/adhesion than wax alone. If they build on it, then you'll be able to tell this newsgroup, "look at the new economical method I've found!" -- JAF jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk Fir'yfarsanfevversonafrushesfroat. "God doesn't work at the BBC anymore.. He left after Noel Edmonds joined" Article 12687 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> <35753EA9.5447@nt.com> Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 23:35:21 +0100 Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3575cfd4.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12687 Tom Speight wrote in message ... >In article <35753EA9.5447@nt.com>, Adrian Kyte >writes >>Guide to Bees and Honey by Ted Hooper ISBN 0-7137-2244-4 >Thats the UK edition. The US edition is ISBN 0-8137-328-8 >So it depends on where Bob Gercak lives I reckon. >-- >Tom Speight My recommendation is "Bees at the Bottom of the Garden" by Alan Campion. Unfortunately out of print, but a library may help, or a book search company. there are a lot on the net (search 'books'). This doesn't mean I find any other recommendations less valid, just nostlalgia, 'coz it's the one I started with! Which signifies absolutely nothing, of any import! -- JAF jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk Fir'yfarsanfevversonafrushesfroat. "God doesn't work at the BBC anymore.. He left after Noel Edmonds joined" Article 12688 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: danny a bolton Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 18:16:26 -0600 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <3575E759.F44A8365@ix.netcom.com> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> <6eIonLAYRad1EwCC@tomsp8.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: sfe-nm4-15.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 03 7:16:23 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12688 How far away are they? Tom Speight wrote: > In article <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net>, Allen Welk > writes > >He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 > >hives for $250USD. > Who pays carriage?? > -- > Tom Article 12689 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.251.80.3!mercury.galstar.com!usenet From: gwest7t@galstar.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:02:46 -0500 Organization: Galaxy Star - Northeastern Oklahoma Internet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: star0907.galstar.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12689 On 6-2-1998 in Neosho, Mo. a beekeeper had a story to tell. It all started when he ordered 2 queens ($42.00 total price) from York Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. When they arrived 1 was dead. He called the folks at York Bee Co. and told them one queen arrived dead. He was told the only way they would replace the queen is if he paid for it, another $21.00. This is a bad way to conduct business. Has anyone had a event like this happen? Please post the information. gw Article 12690 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 04 Jun 1998 03:15:27 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12690 I have dealt with the York bee company with excellent results. I ordered a queen that turned out to be a drone layer. I contacted York, which provided a replacement that arrived dead. Contacted them again and they sent another one. Yes, I paid for express shipping on the last one. But, they never questioned my integrity over the losses and I did not pay any additional purchase fees. I am a little miffed that of all the queens I've needed to order from them. Two have been drone layers. At the most inopportuned time. But I figure it happens now and then. It could even be the wonderful handling skills of the United States (government) post office. Who knows. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 12691 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 03:50:00 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6l55co$eko$1@lasierra.pe.net> References: <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com> <6l0r03$eva$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp09.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12691 In article <6l0r03$eva$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) wrote: >In article <6kpoor$qvd$1@winter.news.erols.com>, >Bob Gercak wrote: >>I'm interested in learning more about beekeeping as a hobby. Would anyone >>be kind enough to recommend a book or books for a complete novice interested >>in basic very-small-scale beekeeping? I'm particularly interested in the >>expense (in time and in money) involved in setting up and maintaining a >>hive. Thanks for your anticipated help. > I think you should try top bar hives. These are the easiert to maintain (the small bee spaces in the typical langstroth frames can fill up fast and then you have to hustle to extract or your colony will swarm when they run out of room). They are also cheap to set up, like about 10 bucks can cover all you would need to get the hive ready for them. You can also get real top quality fine honeycomb out of a top bar hive. \ Article 12692 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!netnews.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Foundation questions from a new TBH beekeeper. Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:02:05 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6l563d$eko$2@lasierra.pe.net> References: <6l40eu$9gr$1@viper.america.net> <3575cfd3.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp09.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12692 Cool, man, cool! That is really ambitious. It looks to me like you seen your duty and you done it! Congratulations. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. I'll bet that your bees have already drawn lots of comb down from your top bars. Tell us more about your hive body. Is it a box or did you use some other kind of container? Did you follow the recommended width for the top bars? Did you get the queen along with your swarm? That will be the acid test, to check it out later and see if she is in there. I would let the hive sit for a week before you opened it to check it out. Don't forget to feed the little buggers! Pete A. In article <3 >I am worried that the cardboard is too thick 1/8". What do you think? >> >>The bees are in the hive now, and time will tell if they are being >>cooperative. I am considering traveling to find some beeswax to do the >job >>right and replace the setup I have going. I will definitely do so if >they >>are cross combing. >> >>What are my chances here? >> >>Thanks for reading, >>Brent - Instant beekeeper. >> >> >Because of the absorbency of the card, which may be low, but is still >likely to exist, you probably have a stronger join/adhesion than wax >alone. If they build on it, then you'll be able to tell this newsgroup, >"look at the new economical method I've found!" Article 12693 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: huskers@olywa.net (Jason Henning) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Free Bees Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 04:19:13 GMT Message-ID: <35760f60.15635705@news.olywa.net> References: <35756A65.A9EFC6C8@ibm.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: bart5.olywa.net Lines: 10 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!205.163.58.3!poobah.olywa.net!bart5.olywa.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12693 Allen Welk wrote: + He is thinking about offering a a chance to win 100 + hives for $250USD. The entrant would pay the fee and + have to write a short essay on why they want to keep + bees. The winner would be chosen by the quality of the + esay that they write. Sort of a Paradise Grill crossed with Ullie's Gold. Article 12694 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: jack_griffes@hotmail.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. Date: Thu, 04 Jun 1998 12:16:55 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6l637n$qp3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 04 12:16:55 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12694 In article <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com>, hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) wrote: > > I have dealt with the York bee company with excellent results. I ordered a > queen that turned out to be a drone layer. I contacted York, which provided a > replacement that arrived dead. Contacted them again and they sent another one. > Yes, I paid for express shipping on the last one. But, they never questioned > my integrity over the losses and I did not pay any additional purchase fees. > I am a little miffed that of all the queens I've needed to order from them. > Two have been drone layers. At the most inopportuned time. But I figure it > happens now and then. It could even be the wonderful handling skills of the > United States (government) post office. Who knows. > You are correct in your assessment that "it happens now and then" to EVERY queen producer. Odds of a drone layer are about 1,000 to 1 - so if queens are being "cranked out" as soon as they lay (before capped brood exists from them) then you will get some drone layers being unintentionally sent to customers. Only way to truly avoid that particular drone layer dilema is to wait longer before you pick queens to ship but economics generally prohibit that choice for many. The post office would probably have to really chill the queen to cause the trouble and have her arrive alive - I had a queen I revived from chill coma (looked dead when found in what I believed was a "starved out colony" due to my at that time Bee-ginner status - I had left on plenty of honey but had new white comb (had been full of open honey earlier) between the darker brood comb and the capped honey - come Jan they quit moving up to honey and instead moved down to the used brood comb seperating themselves from their food) and she started out after being revived laying a good worker brood pattern - in about a month she turned drone layer - likely due to chill-killed sperm forming rings in the spermatheca and clogging her up making it impossible for her to lay truly fertile worker eggs. Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12695 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.206.134.41!news.gate.net!not-for-mail From: Ed Mabesoone Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buckfast Date: 4 Jun 1998 14:46:29 GMT Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6l6c05$oeu$1@news.gate.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: brkfl2-122.gate.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12695 drwawman@aol.com (Dr Wawman) writes: > Kent Stienburg wrote in message <3564FE7D.53BD@kingston.net>... > >Does anybody have experience with the Buckfast strain. I am thinking of > >requeening. Give me your opinions please. > > > >Thanks Kent > > > I ordered 2 Buckfast random mated queens directly from Buckfast Abbey earlier > this year. However, yesterday I received a letter from the Abbey saying that > they discovered American Foul Brood in some Buckfast apiaries. As a result, > they are withdrawing all queen sales for this year, but hope to start selling > next year. > > As regards price, they were charging 21.50 pounds for each marked, clipped, > random mated queen. > > I will still probably order some for next year though as I have a couple of > very aggressive hives that could do with a completely new queen. > > > I have been using Buckfast for the last six years and have been quite impressed with an increase in honey production, particularly early in the season, propolis and burr comb have not been a problem and they are extremely gentle bees. They do have a habit of all moving to and clinging on the outside of the hive during an inspection and I have found that I need to requeen more often with the buckfast. If I can give you any more info contact me at apism@gate.net Ed Article 12696 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. Date: 4 Jun 1998 13:31:08 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6l67is$gdp$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-3.sl051.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12696 In article <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com>, hdsearcher@aol.com says... > >I have dealt with the York bee company with excellent results. I ordered a >queen that turned out to be a drone layer. I contacted York, which provided a >replacement that arrived dead. Contacted them again and they sent another one. York Bee is noted as a supplier of Starline and Midnite hybrids and does a huge volume of business. I have never heard (please correct me) of them or anyone else shipping a laying queen. I shudder to think how much more this would cost. Is it not true that the queen one gets is a virgin who must make a mating flight once installed as the new queen of the hive. If she turns out to be a drone layer it would seem that the mating flight was not entirely successful. If such is the case ????? it would seem that the drone laying problem is not really the responsibility of the supplier of the virgin queen. Article 12750 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Ist. Sperim.Viticoltura" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: AMPELOGRAPHIE Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 12:45:15 +0200 Organization: Centro Servizi Interbusiness Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6l8i7q$ro6$1@server-b.cs.interbusiness.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: oblo-line2.media.it X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!server-b.cs.interbusiness.it!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12750 AMPELOGRAPHIE V COURS INTERNATIONAL 5-9 OCTOBRE 1998 www.inea.it/isv/isv.html Article 12751 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mountain Bee Products - South Africa Date: Sat, 6 Jun 1998 18:56:15 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6lbsug$834$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-94.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12751 Take a look at our fantastic range of Protective Garments for you the Beekeeper. Get back to us for prices and more details ROBIN J MOUNTAIN begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO From: Wayne Hunsucker X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Buying Honey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 8 Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 17:20:38 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: usr4-dialup60.atlanta.mci.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 06 Jun 1998 13:20:38 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12752 Hi Everybody! I am interested in buying honey from around the country. Especially interested in raw honey, fresh from the hive. I have a particular interest in various flavors. If you have honey for sale, contact me. Let's talk. Article 12753 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Honey Date: 7 Jun 1998 01:31:53 GMT Lines: 23 Message-ID: <1998060701315300.VAA10082@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12753 In article <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com>, Wayne Hunsucker writes: >I am interested in buying honey from around the country. Especially >interested in raw honey, fresh from the hive. I have a particular >interest in various flavors. Check Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop at http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm You can get several different Carolina honeys, as well as honey from Texas, Arizona, Florida, and New York. It's early in the season, so only the Florida orange, and the SC tupelo are new honey, but there will be additional varieties as the season progresses. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12754 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3576E49B.3D19@memach.com> <1998060502512300.WAA26235@ladder01.news.aol.com> <3577b3ff.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Subject: Re: Bees and Upcoming Storms Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 14:02:59 +0100 Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-28.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <357a820b.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-28.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12754 JAF wrote in message <3577b3ff.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk>... A Retraction! I was always taught that bees/hives should not be kept under or in the vicinity of Electric Power lines, as the 'field' made the bees 'edgy'. I have recieved an e-mail, which, to me, at least, is conclusive evidence that this is not the case! I apologise if I mislead anybody, and thanks to Murray McGregor! Learning All the time! -- KJ@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk 'Smibatnmybolnimgoinome Article 12755 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!newsgate.swbell.net!151.164.30.35.MISMATCH!cyclone.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:39:19 -0500 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 21 Message-ID: <357AA617.1F366E99@swbell.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> Reply-To: jimowen@swbell.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-48-42.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 897230537 28858 (None) 151.164.48.42 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp3 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) To: Larry Williard Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12755 I agree with everything that the group has said. Another recent observation may be worth considering also... Do you or your wife use any insect repellant? My wife has seldom been "buzzed", even though she's routinely working in the garden about 10 ft from my 7 hives. We've got "chiggers" (if you don't know what they are, count your blessings!) and she tried a new insect repellent "Cutters Sensation". Well, she got to the garden, was there no more than 3 minutes, and was zapped with no other warning. I believe the "new, improved" fragrance of the repellant offends the bees. (Just a guess though) Jim Owen Larry Williard wrote: > The wife aint to happy after she got stung above the eye while watering the > roses about 50 ft from the hive last week.. Article 12756 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!ais.net!news.xnet.com!chicago-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mcs.net!ddsw1!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!ultra.sonic.net!not-for-mail From: Len Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Question: Distance from Hives Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 08:23:43 -0700 Organization: Sonic,Santa Rosa CA,http://www.sonic.net Lines: 9 Message-ID: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: d113.pm3.sonic.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12756 How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to to live comfortably? Not even new (haven't gotten the hives yet, but planning) and there is some concern in my family about distance to hive(s) for gardening, BBQ, etc. Live in semi-rural area, one acre for us and similar housing in pasture-like setting) but family members are afraid of stings. And don't want to alarm other homes around me. So, how far? TIA Article 12757 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Honey Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998060715361900.LAA29676@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jun 1998 15:36:19 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998060701315300.VAA10082@ladder01.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12757 > You can get several different Carolina honeys, as well as honey from >Texas,
>Arizona, Florida, and New York. It's early in the season, so only the >Florida
>orange, and the SC tupelo are new honey, first 500 lbs of CT wildflower is off the hives- mostly because I am returning the wet combs for a refill as I only have yet to amass great quantities of drawn comb. Article 12758 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 7 Jun 1998 16:10:35 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6lee1r$q14@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.102.128 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12758 Here is my case: 40' x 40' backyard lot in urban area that gets a lot of use, 2 kids that play in the yard a lot, 1 wife, 2 hives, only stings so far (other than myself) are from bare feet, it's been 5 years. Given the right temperament, they could care less about the presence of humans. OTOH, check out the "agressive bees requeen" thread. But don't let it scare you away. I am sure Larry will update us in a couple of months hailing the virtues of the Buckfast descendants ;-) -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Len wrote in article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>... > How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to > to live comfortably? > > Not even new (haven't gotten the hives yet, but planning) and there is > some concern in my family about distance to hive(s) for gardening, BBQ, > etc. Live in semi-rural area, one acre for us and similar housing in > pasture-like setting) but family members are afraid of stings. And don't > want to alarm other homes around me. So, how far? > TIA > Article 12759 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Lines: 15 Message-ID: <1998060716235500.MAA08479@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jun 1998 16:23:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12759 With the right bee's and family education. You can have a bee hive at the front door of your house if you so desired. I live in very close family (military) quarters. I have two hives located on my back porch. Neigbors on both sides are educated about the bees and even came out to watch the one swarm that I had this year. They were placed there for my son to observe while pursuing his merit badge. They ended up staying in the same location because they are so much fun to watch and are very gentle. I have two sons, two very big dogs, and a swimming pool that share the same location. So far, I have been the only one thats gotten stung, and that was while working the bees. No smoker, no gloves, no veil. I got in a little bit of a hurry and made a mistake, and got stung. My back door is less than 8 ft from the hives. Hope this helps answer the question. The breed you ask? Midnites from the York Bee Company. A man in search of knowledge is always looking for something(me) Article 12760 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Repost: Attention all Wisconsin Beekeepers Lines: 34 Message-ID: <1998060716585400.MAA07692@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 07 Jun 1998 16:58:53 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12760 Hi Again! Thank you for all of the responses which I received from the first posting of the Wisconsin Pollination Survey. The print version of the survey will be printed in the next edition of the "Wisconsin Badger Bee." In case you do not receive this publication, we are still looking for your input if you pollinate crops in Wisconsin, or know of someone else on-line who does, please forward them this request. ;o) The survey is VERY simple and will only take a few minutes to fill out. All that we need to know is: (please list each crop individually) 1. The crop(s) which you pollinate -Total dollars (cost per colony per crop) -Total colonies per crop -Acres for each crop. VERY Hypothetical Example: Crop: Brown Ox Eye Daisy -$320 total dollars, $80 per colony -4 colonies -2 acres This survey is being sponsored by the Wisconsin Honey Producers Association. Results of the survey will be published approximately one to two months after the survey is published in the Wisconsin Badger Bee. All identifiable information will be kept confidential. Thank you for your time in filling out the survey. ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 12761 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: George Imirie's articles Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 13:09:21 -0400 Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.237 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.232.50.237 Message-ID: <357ac921.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.232.50.237 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12761 Greetings! George Imirie's latest articles: http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee/ 1)Getting most nectar capped 2)four methods of removing honey 3)extracting procedures and tricks 4)cleaning extracted frames 5)storing drawn comb until next year These articles are LONG and quite extensive!!..adjust your fonts/browsers..get a cup of java/tea/soda pop..enjoy and learn! Thanks,George/Ann!!..for I was blind and NOW I CAN SEE!! Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee Article 12762 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Mountain Bee Products - South Africa Date: 7 Jun 1998 23:49:15 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6lf8tr$2s3$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <6lbsug$834$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-9.sl002.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12762 In article <6lbsug$834$1@news01.iafrica.com>, mountbee@iafrica.com says... > >Take a look at our fantastic range of Protective Garments for you the >Beekeeper. > >Get back to us for prices and more details > >ROBIN J MOUNTAIN > > >begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url >M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAOM+T),0B]"965K965P:6YG+VUO=6YT86EN+FAT;6P-"DUO9&EF:65D/4,P0S)# >/,#8R,48X1D)$,#$Q, T* >` I could not read this. The correct URL is: http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html. Most interesting! This site features equipment designed to work the African "killer bee." What has become of the "killer bee" "problem?" The media seems to have lost interest. How far into North America have they reached? Are they hybridizing? How are they affected by varroa and tracheal mites? Article 12763 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 8 Jun 1998 00:05:42 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6lf9sm$2s3$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-9.sl002.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12763 In article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>, len@sonic.net says... > >How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to >to live comfortably? > >Not even new (haven't gotten the hives yet, but planning) and there is >some concern in my family about distance to hive(s) for gardening, BBQ, >etc. Live in semi-rural area, one acre for us and similar housing in >pasture-like setting) but family members are afraid of stings. And don't >want to alarm other homes around me. So, how far? >TIA You have replies that indicate you could have the hive in VERY close proximity to family activities. Though such is possible, don't do it. On the other hand don't worry. If you have an acre you are in good shape. Position your hive so that the earliest sun of the day hits the opening. That will get the bees started earlier and make more honey and it will tend to establish a flight path which really should not include your picnic table and grill. If you are going to run the mower within six feet of the front of the hive on the middle of a sunny day you should act quickly. If you have a neighbor that hangs white things on a line the flight path should not pass over those white things as the bees deficate in flight and could produce some interesting specs on the sheets. Midnights would be a good idea if you have anyone who is allergic to bee stings. Generally speaking, I would say that anything outside a 25 foot circle about the hive is as safe as a mile. In the wrong kind of weather anything inside a 10 foot circle is liable to stings however rare and midnites are no exception. Article 12764 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:11:21 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust61.tnt1.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12764 Recent experiments by researchers at the Weslaco Honey Bee Research Unit (Dr.Frank Eischen and others, U.S. Department of Agriculture) provides insights on two aspects of Apistan's effectiveness that have been discussed on this newsgroup in months past: (1) the relative effectiveness of the old "Section 18" strips and (2) whether scratching the surface of Apistan strips increases their mite kills. 1. Relative effectiveness of the current Apistan versus 10-year old "Section 18" strips in controlling varroa mites: In an experimental 24 hour treatment, the following mite kill resulted: Apistan Section 18 (1 strip/colony): 1924 Apistan (current U.S., 2 strips/colony): 1355 Apistan from Europe (1 strip/colony): 678 Untreated control: 150 This suggests that the old Section 18 strips were, indeed, more effective in killing varroa mites. 2. Whether stratching/abrading the surface of Apistan strips increases its effectiveness in killing varroa mites: In an experiment, Apistan strips were either scratched on one side or both sides, and compared to unscratched control strips. The researchers found that unscratched Apistan controlled about 17% of varroa in the Florida test colonies, whereas one-side scratched Apistan controlled slightly more and double-side scratched killed twice the number of mites that the unscratched Apistan did. It was hypothesized that the increased mite control resulted from increasing the surface area on the Apistan strips. These experimental results were informally described in the Texas Beekeepers Association's Journal (May/June, 1998). Sample sizes of some of the treatments were not described. Regards, John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 12765 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!209.133.60.2.MISMATCH!news-out.emf.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 8 Jun 1998 17:49:56 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6lh884$mer@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <6lf9sm$2s3$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12765 In a previous article, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) says: >In article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>, len@sonic.net says... >>How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to >>to live comfortably? >You have replies that indicate you could have the hive in VERY close proximity >to family activities. Though such is possible, don't do it. On the other hand >don't worry. If you have an acre you are in good shape. Much smaller lots can provide safe and neighbor friendly sites. In addition to all the help you've received here, be sure to check with your local government to be sure you're in compliance with its rules. (In Portland, for example, the hives must be at least 25' from any residential building and 50 feet from any public road or sidewalk.) _If_ someone should be injured by your bees (unlikely) and it is found they are not sited in accordance with local ordinances, you're much more likely to be found liable than you would be if you've sited your bees with proper clearances, etc. -- Article 12766 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in cappings Date: 8 Jun 98 13:52:52 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bd930e$a35dca60$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12766 The best way I know is to run the honey and cappings through a seive covered with cheese cloth. This will go much faster if you can find a warm place (80-90 degrees). You can do it at room temperature but I will take longer. Be patient HNNutt wrote in article <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com>... >With little or no equipment and less > knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? Article 12767 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!gandboss.demon.co.uk!Graham From: Graham Law Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 19:53:17 +0100 Organization: at home Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <6l80q4$9go$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: Graham Law NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897332046 nnrp-05:19187 NO-IDENT gandboss.demon.co.uk:194.222.36.211 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 73 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12767 In article <6l80q4$9go$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz>, bates writes >Hi all, > I am planning to construct an all-glass observation hive and wonder if >anyone has done this or has advice or comments for me before I start. >I intend to build it like an all glass aquarium, using silicone to >glue the pieces together. I am going to make it a top bar hive so the >view of the combs/bees is not obstructed by frames. Hi Frank, I have just completed such a hive 3 weeks ago !. I have not had a chance to load it yet. I have built several ob hives but this one being all glass is just designed for 1-2 day exhibition use. If I say so myself an all glass hive does look stunning. I have chosen a 3 brood frame configuration as I have had some success with that lay out. >Will the bees be OK in this very light environment, as opposed to the >darkness they would normally live in in an enclosed colony? (I have >seen pictures of colonies established in the open air, attached to >branches etc so dont expect this to be too much of a problem). No problem they get used to it very quickly, but any entrance piping works best if it is opaque as they naturally will head for the light at the end of the pipe and clear pipe is confusing. >Will the bees attempt to cover the inside walls of this hive with >wax/propolis? How would I be able to clean any wax/propolis buildup >from the glass? They will propolise any cracks quickly but the main veiwing area will keep clear if you get the bee space right. They will tend to build brace comb on to the glass with time but its no real problem. Consider carefully how the hive will come apart. A book type design can be difficult to load. I prefer a sub frame holding the comb inserted from above. A backup way of stripping down is useful if brace comb gums sliding parts up. It is difficult to describe my new glass hive but any frame can be insert from either side through hinging panels. Wax and propolis can be removed with hot water/ soap and wire wool when empty naturally. Good Luck Graham Graham Law Leicestershire (about 100 miles north of London) England . \ z z z Z z .. Z .. ( \ Z / ) ( \ \ . Z . / / ) \ \ \ ( ) / / / \_ \ \_~_/ / _/ \_{ @ @ }_/ _\ ! /_ ///v~v\\\ "" "" "I see no future in the cathode ray tube" John Logggie Baird 1928 :-\ Article 12768 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.corp.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9mm cell and varroa Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:02:38 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 48 Message-ID: <6lhjhe$vh9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3577F727.96472D7A@csi.com> <357C0096.4482@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.15 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 08 21:02:38 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12768 In article <357C0096.4482@nt.com>, adrian.kyte@nt.com wrote: > > Carl J. Rock wrote: > snip > > and the cell size of the Pierco was 5.2mm. The discussion progressed to > > varroa and smaller brood cell. > > > > I had read an article a few weeks ago that mentioned smaller cells > > were somehow linked to effect varroa population but included neither > > data nor conclusion. The supplier offered further information that > > seems plausible. > > > > What he had read was a study on varroa resistant bees somewhere in > > Russia was concluding a smaller brood cell size, 4.9mm nominal, seemed > > key and apparently what happens is the smaller bee matures a day or more > > sooner disrupting the varroa cycle. > snip > > The easter honey bee (apis cerana) develped alongside of varroa and > co-exists because the bees gromm each other, damaging the varroa mites > in the process and crucially spend a shorter time in the form of brood. > This latter trait results in less varroa produced during each brood > cycle, our honey bee (apis mellifera) developed independant of varroa so > does not naturally have any defences against it. I don't know whether > apis cerana has smaller cell size than apis mellifera and I doubt that > the bees would build smaller cells for brood just because the > impressions start off smaller, they do after all modify standard cell > size impressions to produce drone brood if they want drones. Word on the grapevine here in the USA has it that some commercial beekeeper(s) in the SW are switching over to smaller foundation size COMPLETELY after playing with it a bit (no small task). The claim is that it is initially quite hard to get bees to properly work the smaller cell size (especially if they can choose another size - I believe it was plastic foundation to prevent remaking of the cell base) but once they get it drawn properly the claim is that the resultant "smaller" bees somehow keep Varroa population in check. This is grapevine info ONLY and should not be construed as tested info which it ain't. This was third hand info - so it may not be worth the time it took to type it BUT it did catch my ear when I heard it and it might be worth checking into further. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail.com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12769 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 04:21:38 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6lid4c$feh$1@lasierra.pe.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> <357AA617.1F366E99@swbell.net> <357B5703.836FF16@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp36.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12769 In article < I didn't hear anything so I tapped, and I do mean I just tapped the top > of the >hive with my finger and they started buzzing and pouring out of the hive at me. I would say it is time for the soapy water for these little buggers. Article 12770 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.3.65.3!news.indy.net!not-for-mail From: Mary Elmore Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees and Upcoming Storms Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 00:45:39 +0000 Organization: IndyNet Lines: 25 Message-ID: <357B3433.2DE0@indy.net> References: <3576E49B.3D19@memach.com> Reply-To: mae@indy.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ip91-82.ts.indy.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-IndyNet (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12770 Linda Campbell wrote: > > Just a quick question. Are bees usually edgy when the weather is about > to get bad? We are first year beekeepers and my husband has been stung > twice. Both times from the same hive and both times it was late in the > afternoon and the weather was turning bad - it stormed within the hour. > > A fascinated beginner, > > Linda Campbell > Suffolk, VA > On the perimeter of the Great Dismal Swamp Well, Me and my wife are first year beekeepers too. I have been stung twice and my wife has been stung once. A bee managed to find a seam in my glove and the second time A bee managed to get under my shirt and was irritated when I squized her. My wife was lazy and wore not her normal be clothing and one crawled up her pant legs and it stung her when she suized it. (It was a painful place and we will leave it at that:->} We have noticed that they do not like cloudy days nor to be bothered LATE in the afternoon. WE are having fun! Tobi Article 12771 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> <4PW0CGAXgAf1EwTP@emph.com> Subject: Re: Honey in cappings Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:34:00 +0100 Lines: 28 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <357c17e9.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!colt.net!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12771 Alyn Ashworth wrote in message <4PW0CGAXgAf1EwTP@emph.com>... >In article <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com>, HNNutt > writes >>Another dumb begginer question. I extracted yesterday and ended up with a 5 >>gallon bucket about 3/4 full of cappings with honey mixed in. There appears to >>be several quarts of honey in this stuff. With little or no equipment and less >>knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? > >You could wash through in the minimum possible amount of water, then >make some mead from the result, topping-up if necessary with water or >honey. > >-- >Alyn Ashworth Press, through cloth, as in a wine press. It's how I extract from one hive, and return the cappings, etc. to the bees to clean up (for a single hive!). You shouldn't let honey from one hive, into another, of course, in case of infection. -- KJ@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk 'Smibatnmybolnimgoinome Article 12772 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: 8 Jun 1998 16:51:12 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6lh4q0$30r@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> <6lflah$af@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <357C03C1.9D3@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12772 But my question was: Is there research that tested the effectiveness of reusing strips? Can you direct me to it? Is the statement "Re-using strips is one of the most effective ways of helping varroa become resistant to their active ingredient" opinion or fact? BTW, when you only have a 2 or 3 hives and have to buy strips in a minimum qty of 10, the cost is not insignificant. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! Adrian Kyte wrote in article <357C03C1.9D3@nt.com>... > George Styer wrote: > > > > Anyone know of any research that tested the effectiveness of reusing strips > > for a 2nd and possibly a 3rd treatment? I believe they are intended to be > > used only once but I have been told by some beekeepers that if you roughen > > them up with a wire brush, you can reuse them a couple of times, although I > > thought this brushing was to remove wax. > > Compare the cost of treating a hive with new Apistan (Bayvoral here in > the UK) with the price of 1Lb honey and the cost of buying a colony of > bees. Re-using strips is one of the most effective ways of helping > varroa become resistant to their active ingredient and at the moment > there is no alternate proven treatment that comes close being as > effective. > Don't re-use strips, in the UK we have an expression that sort of fits > "Don't spoil a ship for a hapeth of tar" (hapeth is old currency worth > half a penny). > > -- > Regards Adrian :-{)} > I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. > All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. > work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com > home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net > Article 12773 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: "Anthony N. Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Danish port-salut cheese Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 10:09:39 -0700 Organization: HiST-elektro Lines: 20 Message-ID: <357C1AD3.3A33@iet.hist.no> References: <3578AA30.AB0@earthlink.net> Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12773 Dr. Lalo wrote: > > I know that beekeepers are a very talented lot. I am one > > I need your help: > > Does anyone have a recipe for making Danish port-salute cheese? > > Thanks. > > Dr. Lalo I cannot claim to be anywhere near THAT talented! Why *Danish* Port Salut? AFAIK Port Salut was originally a French cheese but is a generic type (like Cheddar) that is produced in many countries. The Norwegian Port Salut, for example, is a fine cheese. The production process/recipe should not be difficult to establish if it really is a generic cheese and not a licensed product. Anthony N Morgan Article 12774 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.231.236.10!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Devasted by varroa Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 05:03:35 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.238 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 897386654 1424 206.146.5.238 (9 Jun 1998 10:04:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 9 Jun 1998 10:04:14 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12774 Hi All, The county of Lyon in Minnesota in which I live had approximately 1500 bee colonies in it last year, this year there are approximately 40 colonies left. Twenty of the colonies are mine which were just started this year, with a very low bee population I wonder if people will notice why their apple trees and other fruits are of a lower quality. Each year I find more beekeepers going out of business, all because of the varroa, and tracheal mite. It looks like the older beekeepers are going the way of the dinosaurs, any that will not adapt to new problems as they arise will go extinct. I hope this doesn't continue because without the older generation beekeepers around it will become harder for some one to get started into beekeeping. This year I have expanded from 30 colonies to 65 and 9 more nucs, I was hoping for faster increase but the weather is not always co-operative. I probably will reunite all single stories back together this weekend with Queen excluders to run as 2 queen colonies, then split them apart again the first week of august. The best part of all this is that I have not used apistan for the control of varroa mites in any of my colonies last fall or this spring, I see very little evidence of varroa in any of my colonies. Last year at this time I thought I would lose half of my colonies before fall because of the varroa, what a difference a year makes. I lost four of my 30 colonies last winter, two of the four colonies were as good as dead last fall due to a transit problem. My goal is 120 colonies by this fall, which will fill all the deeps I have sitting around here. The only thing to blame for my success is mineral oil, this past week I treated all my colonies with mineral oil at a cost of about $2.00, the only disadvantage is the weekly treatment, compared to semi annually with apistan. I check all my colonies weekly any way. If I were to treat my colonies with apistan this fall it would cost $6.40 per colony or 4 strips at $1.60 per strip. If I have 120 colonies this fall it would cost $768.00 to treat for varroa, it's not hard to see why the beekeepers are going under. The best fix our Government and bee researchers can come up with is to increase the tax on our commercial beekeepers from 1 cent per pound to 2 cents , which will go to bee scientist too research the problems of the beekeepers. Then they will come up with new chemicals to sell you for the mite problems at a inflated cost, which the beekeeper has already paid for through the tax on his honey. The next thing I think may be coming soon is a restriction to what we can treat our hives with, that is only approved chemicals. There is already an effort to quiet every one that talks about mineral oil on the internet, bee-l no longer allows it on the list because it offends the scientists on the list. This main reason for the list to switch to a moderated (censored) list is to keep controversial issues off, which is a request of the researchers. I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. Elroy Article 12775 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: 8 Jun 1998 03:20:49 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 59 Message-ID: <6lflah$af@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.12 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12775 Anyone know of any research that tested the effectiveness of reusing strips for a 2nd and possibly a 3rd treatment? I believe they are intended to be used only once but I have been told by some beekeepers that if you roughen them up with a wire brush, you can reuse them a couple of times, although I thought this brushing was to remove wax. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! John Caldeira wrote in article <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net>... > > Recent experiments by researchers at the Weslaco Honey Bee Research > Unit (Dr.Frank Eischen and others, U.S. Department of Agriculture) > provides insights on two aspects of Apistan's effectiveness that have > been discussed on this newsgroup in months past: (1) the relative > effectiveness of the old "Section 18" strips and (2) whether > scratching the surface of Apistan strips increases their mite kills. > > > 1. Relative effectiveness of the current Apistan versus 10-year old > "Section 18" strips in controlling varroa mites: In an experimental > 24 hour treatment, the following mite kill resulted: > > Apistan Section 18 (1 strip/colony): 1924 > Apistan (current U.S., 2 strips/colony): 1355 > Apistan from Europe (1 strip/colony): 678 > Untreated control: 150 > > This suggests that the old Section 18 strips were, indeed, more > effective in killing varroa mites. > > > 2. Whether stratching/abrading the surface of Apistan strips > increases its effectiveness in killing varroa mites: In an > experiment, Apistan strips were either scratched on one side or both > sides, and compared to unscratched control strips. The researchers > found that unscratched Apistan controlled about 17% of varroa in the > Florida test colonies, whereas one-side scratched Apistan controlled > slightly more and double-side scratched killed twice the number of > mites that the unscratched Apistan did. It was hypothesized that the > increased mite control resulted from increasing the surface area on > the Apistan strips. > > These experimental results were informally described in the Texas > Beekeepers Association's Journal (May/June, 1998). Sample sizes of > some of the treatments were not described. > > Regards, > John > > ================================================ > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > ================================================ > Article 12776 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nyc-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.bri.connect.com.au!grissom.powerup.com.au!not-for-mail From: "mattk" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Australian Beekeepers Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 19:42:56 +1000 Organization: Power Up Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6lj005$nr6$1@grissom.powerup.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts5857.powerup.com.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12776 I am interested in corresponding with other beekeepers in Australia. If any Australian beekeepers are interested drop me a line and let me know you are alive. MattK Article 12777 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 9 Jun 1998 12:44:12 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 69 Message-ID: <6ljams$724$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12777 In article <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net>, Elroy Rogers wrote: >I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. Hi. Well, first off, I cannot--this is a Usenet news group and lives on it's own, by itself. I, nor anyone else, can control what is posted here. There are guidelines of course, but basically, Usenet runs by itself. Certain specific issues regarding Usenet are now happening--and are very interesting from an internet historical point of view and and ethical one. If you feel like reading up on Usenet, free speech, and "non-control control", check out news.answers and news.groups for these issues. I have no idea about "scientists" censoring anything. Having almost completed a masters degree in Entomology, and having conducted research on honey bee biology, I'm familiar with honey bee research. Most honey bee researchers couldn't give a darn about what's put on the internet. Did you read that? Paying attention? Research comes from having money. My program at VA Tech has absolutely no research money for honey bees studies. So, I did my research with my own bees and equipment--and I enjoyed it, and found some interesting new facets of honey bee biology that hopefully I'll publish someday. If you, as a beekeeper, feel that there should be more research on honey bees, get off your whining behind, organize, and lobby for more federal monies. It's not that hard--look at all the press honey bees have gotten so far. I know of one specific agriculture school that did receive money to do new honey bee research and they will. But, as with most scientific procedure now, they'll conduct the experiments, wait for the data, and then publish the results after analyzing the data. If their results benefit a beekeeper, great--we'll all be happy. If not, well someone will have a masters or PhD degree and a few papers. That's how it works. I don't know how the USDA bee research is set-up, as far as having a performance record. I assume that they are trying to find reasons for the voracity of varroa related diseases, and ways both chemical and biological to alleviate this problem, but unlike science myths, this stuff takes time. The alternative control debates, I'm unaware of, having lessened my bee-l reading to a weekly session of pick and choose subjects. I usually delete all the yammering about censorship, etc. What I'd assume is happening is that claims are being made, when there is no REPRODUCIBLE DATA. If one conducts research according to the standard, then one's data should be reproducible, to be valid, and subsequently, true. Many, many, many factors can influence data (results) and this is why statistics and experimental designs are employed to to obtain data. It's a pain, it's expensive and it's hard, but when data appears that's statistically significant, most times it can be regarded as reliable--maybe some of the data folks are reporting, are not obtained utilizing rigorous experimental protocol? I don't know, I've avoided becoming involved: I'm too busy trying to finish my own work. I'd LOVE to do honey bee research to help beekeepers. Do you know how hard and exclusive it is to even get involved in honey bee research? Are you aware how academic politics works? Maybe, if a beekeeper is dissatisfied with the way their tax money is being used, they along with their fellow beekeepers could ORGANIZE and come up with some goals, and then present these to the appropriate people. It happens all the time in this country, and that's why the USA is so great. Use this newsgroup to organize! Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12778 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!portal.gmu.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hnnutt@aol.com (HNNutt) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey in cappings Lines: 10 Message-ID: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1998 10:55:32 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12778 Another dumb begginer question. I extracted yesterday and ended up with a 5 gallon bucket about 3/4 full of cappings with honey mixed in. There appears to be several quarts of honey in this stuff. With little or no equipment and less knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? I have 4 hives in central Texas. They did well. HNNutt@AOL.COM HNNUTT@AOL.COM *** I'll hold the horse....You get the rope! Article 12779 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!not-for-mail From: "Len A. Davis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Honey Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 22:37:20 -0500 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6lfm0t$aln$1@news12.ispnews.com> References: <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 56k-157.maxtnt3.pdq.net X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 897276765 10935 209.144.229.157 (8 Jun 1998 03:32:45 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 8 Jun 1998 03:32:45 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12779 I have some raw honey from Central Texas you might enjoy. It is a clear golden color with great flavor. Must people who try it say it is some of the best they have tasted. It is Texas Guajillo Brush honey. Let me know. Len Wayne Hunsucker wrote in message <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com>... >Hi Everybody! > >I am interested in buying honey from around the country. Especially >interested in raw honey, fresh from the hive. I have a particular >interest in various flavors. > >If you have honey for sale, contact me. Let's talk. > Article 12780 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 13:40:24 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 154 Message-ID: <6lje08$i7i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.21 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 09 13:40:24 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12780 In article <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net>, Elroy Rogers wrote: > > Hi All, > The county of Lyon in Minnesota in which I live had approximately > 1500 bee colonies in it last year, this year there are approximately 40 > colonies left. Twenty of the colonies are mine which were just started > this year, with a very low bee population I wonder if people will notice > why their apple trees and other fruits are of a lower quality. Each > year I find more beekeepers going out of business, all because of the > varroa, and tracheal mite. It looks like the older beekeepers are going > the way of the dinosaurs, any that will not adapt to new problems as > they arise will go extinct. I hope this doesn't continue because > without the older generation beekeepers around it will become harder for > some one to get started into beekeeping. it will continue - we may well end up with virtually only the GIANT beekeepers and the hobbyists with all the sideliners pretty well extinct for economic reasons - ONE good reason to encourage hobbyists while working at improving economic viability for those in it for money as well as pleasure > This year I have expanded from 30 colonies to 65 and 9 more nucs, I was > hoping for faster increase but the weather is not always co-operative. I > probably will reunite all single stories back together this weekend with > Queen excluders to run as 2 queen colonies, then split them apart again > the first week of august. > > The best part of all this is that I have not used apistan for the > control of varroa mites in any of my colonies last fall or this spring, > I see very little evidence of varroa in any of my colonies. Last year at > this time I thought I would lose half of my colonies before fall because > of the varroa, what a difference a year makes. I lost four of my 30 > colonies last winter, two of the four colonies were as good as dead last > fall due to a transit problem. My goal is 120 colonies by this fall, > which will fill all the deeps I have sitting around here. Elroy - your county sounds like it is on the normal 2-3 year cycle of devastation - so keep your guard up. High loss years are OFTEN followed by a extremely low loss year in many places which too often lulls the sleepy into thinking them blasted mites plumb died off - while in fact the population just got cut way back and is RAPIDLY rebuilding for another round of devastation. > > The only thing to blame for my success is mineral oil, actually ya missed a few contributing factors that are also helping you - like current relative isolation from other bees for instance as probably the main one (less drifty bees bringing in mites not your own) - actively working toward increased hive health as probably the second one (disease plays a BIG role in hive loss - mites add more stress which makes this even worse) - making splits as the third one (it affects mite population growth dynamics) >this past week I > treated all my colonies with mineral oil at a cost of about $2.00, the > only disadvantage is the weekly treatment, compared to semi annually > with apistan. I check all my colonies weekly any way. If I were to > treat my colonies with apistan this fall it would cost $6.40 per colony > or 4 strips at $1.60 per strip. If I have 120 colonies this fall it > would cost $768.00 to treat for varroa, it's not hard to see why the > beekeepers are going under. Unless you have 20 frames of brood you should not need 4 strips per colony per treatment. IF at treatment time you have 10 frames of brood then two strips will do. One strip per 5 frames of (bees and) BROOD - IN CONTACT with the cluster - meaning where the brood is and where it will be at end of treatment period. So ya might cut treatment cost in half or at least by 25% by that simple alteration. Via wintering nucs you can get down to one strip per unit and once you get the system down well end up farther ahead as well - see the nucs ain't making honey so treatment can be timed perfectly in them no matter what the flows do. Nucs are used as insurance of having your own replacements in case treatment could not be timed just right in your honey producers due to flow timing. How much is your time worth? I cannot get around to all my colonies on a weekly basis - this plays into the equation of what is do-able as well. > The best fix our Government and bee researchers can come up with is to > increase the tax on our commercial beekeepers from 1 cent per pound to 2 > cents , which will go to bee scientist too research the problems of the > beekeepers. Then they will come up with new chemicals to sell you for > the mite problems at a inflated cost, which the beekeeper has already > paid for through the tax on his honey. Elroy we DO NEED the research and it is mult-pronged at present. There is for instance at least one researcher looking for mite diseases as a possible biological control of varroa (a GREAT idea but unfortunately a blind alley so far). Other researchers are working to breed more mite resistance into existing bee stocks (this would go farther faster if more true cooperation existed including the ability to cooperate between programs via exchange of stocks for testing another way in another place - meaning we need the USDA to allow careful importation of honeybee semen and honeybee eggs). Yet others are exploring new chemical controls (likely the fastest route to save our bacon but with major downfalls with it). >The next thing I think may be > coming soon is a restriction to what we can treat our hives with, that > is only approved chemicals. this already exists - it is why the researchers don't really want their names mixed in with such discussions as they don't want to come across as supporting extra-label uses of chemicals -- though in PRIVATE (a newsgroup or e-mail list is in PUBLIC) a few of them may discuss the thing more openly with someone they trust can keep a confidence >There is already an effort to quiet every > one that talks about mineral oil on the internet, bee-l no longer allows > it on the list because it offends the scientists on the list. This main > reason for the list to switch to a moderated (censored) list is to keep > controversial issues off, which is a request of the researchers. note one reason listed above and perhaps it will make more sense to you > > I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. > I doubt he will as he has given NO signs of it yet that I have seen. Some moderated groups definitely improve the quality of posts thereon however. Take rec.h-nting as an example - without moderation it got bogged down with posts by bashers on the attack rather than discussions of hu-ting which it is for. (letters dropped to prevent searchers from finding the word hereon and bashing) If that sorta thing was happening here then moderation would help - since it ain't happening here we don't need nor desire moderation of the ng. We are lucky too as this group stays on topic and avoids flame wars better than most - even when debates arise the participants tend to leave the debate on speaking terms though perhaps still of the same opinion as when the debate/discussion ensued. Since opinions based on experiences are liable to differ dramatically it would be mighty odd if we all agreed about every blooming thing. Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12781 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:14:11 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 43 Message-ID: <357B5703.836FF16@fcbl.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> <357AA617.1F366E99@swbell.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897277239 EDOBMGQ.FB034D018C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12781 The answer is NO we have 30 acres and the hive is about 30 feet from the end of the house which is 50 ft long and 2 story. Nothing goes on at that end it is opisite of the door and garage. We rarely go near the hive. Today for instance I went out about 1pm to look at the hives as I split it to introduce a new queen. I put 1/2 on the other side of the house to loose the bees to the old queen so the new one would accept the queen. I wrote about how the bees chased me. 2 days ago I moved the new hive to the spot of the old one and put the old queen about 50 ft away to loose the bees back to the new queen so I could kill the old one. I approached the old queens hive because I didn't see any activity around it but saw alot of bees around the new queen, so my plan has worked. Anyway when I got up to the old hive I listened to here if any bees were in there, I didn't hear anything so I tapped, and I do mean I just tapped the top of the hive with my finger and they started buzzing and pouring out of the hive at me. I didn't have any equipment on so I ran back in the house. All day any place I in the yard even on the other side of the house more than 100 ft away I was buzzed and chased. They waited for me at both doors. These bees are crazy. They really scare me. I have had 40 hives before and never saw any like these. You cant get withen 30 feet of the onewith activity without them chasing you not one or two but 10 - 20 or more. Tomorrow Im going to try to kill the old queen and rejoin the hive back together. Larry Jim Owen wrote: > I agree with everything that the group has said. > > Another recent observation may be worth considering also... Do you or your wife > use any insect repellant? My wife has seldom been "buzzed", even though she's > routinely working in the garden about 10 ft from my 7 hives. We've got "chiggers" > (if you don't know what they are, count your blessings!) and she tried a new insect > repellent "Cutters Sensation". Well, she got to the garden, was there no more than > 3 minutes, and was zapped with no other warning. I believe the "new, improved" > fragrance of the repellant offends the bees. (Just a guess though) > > Jim Owen Article 12782 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Buying Honey Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:17:10 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <357B57B6.641211B6@fcbl.net> References: <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com> <6lfm0t$aln$1@news12.ispnews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897277419 EDOBMGQ.FB034D018C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12782 The best honey I have tasted was when I had hives in Florida and the bees mad it from Palmetto bush blossoms. It was light and had a lime flavor. Larry Len A. Davis wrote: > I have some raw honey from Central Texas you might enjoy. It is a clear > golden color with great flavor. Must people who try it say it is some of the > best they have tasted. It is Texas Guajillo Brush honey. > Let me know. > > Len > > Wayne Hunsucker wrote in message <357979DC.19D88CB@MCIONE.com>... > >Hi Everybody! > > > >I am interested in buying honey from around the country. Especially > >interested in raw honey, fresh from the hive. I have a particular > >interest in various flavors. > > > >If you have honey for sale, contact me. Let's talk. > > Article 12783 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!not-for-mail Message-ID: <357B1030.7A7A@wavefront.com> From: alan montgomery X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: swarm etc.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 32 Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 03:49:28 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: wf-3-3.wavefront.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:49:28 CDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12783 Hi folks: I was called to go check out a swarm that apparently issued from one of my 3 hives today. Sure enough therenit was about 20 feet up. So I didi not think it wise to climb up, but instead threw a rope over a branch and hoisted a deep box with frame of pollen and honey and an empty comb. It ended up about 8 or 10 feet below the swarm. So I will check tommorow although it is supposed to rain. What do you think my chances are of attractng the swarm? Also how can I tell of the three hives which cast the swarm for sure. I wintered two over and split one in which there was the old queen and a new supersedure daughter. The other one had a lot of bees and a couple of queen cells last week and still acouple capped queen cells today. originally, I clipped both queens last Fall and this early Spring and so that when I made the split the new supersedure queen was unclipped (still is) So, perhaps one of my clipped queens flew the coop? Or maybe they raised a supersedure queen who flew the coop, although this would be unusual? I thought the elder queen would leave and the new (supersedure)queen remain behind? Would appreciate your input on these matters. Oh yes if I do rescue the swarm should I start a new colony with this queen or simply requeen everything? Yours, A.M. Article 12784 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:21:40 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 36 Message-ID: <357B58C4.BA8DCED@fcbl.net> References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> <6lf9sm$2s3$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.52 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897277688 EDOBMGQ.FB034D018C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12784 You might be lucky if you place one close but you might be unlucky like I was and if you are look out. . Larry Jerome R. Long wrote: > In article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>, len@sonic.net says... > > > >How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to > >to live comfortably? > > > >Not even new (haven't gotten the hives yet, but planning) and there is > >some concern in my family about distance to hive(s) for gardening, BBQ, > >etc. Live in semi-rural area, one acre for us and similar housing in > >pasture-like setting) but family members are afraid of stings. And don't > >want to alarm other homes around me. So, how far? > >TIA > > You have replies that indicate you could have the hive in VERY close proximity > to family activities. Though such is possible, don't do it. On the other hand > don't worry. If you have an acre you are in good shape. Position your hive so > that the earliest sun of the day hits the opening. That will get the bees > started earlier and make more honey and it will tend to establish a flight > path which really should not include your picnic table and grill. If you are > going to run the mower within six feet of the front of the hive on the middle > of a sunny day you should act quickly. If you have a neighbor that hangs white > things on a line the flight path should not pass over those white things as > the bees deficate in flight and could produce some interesting specs on the > sheets. Midnights would be a good idea if you have anyone who is allergic to > bee stings. Generally speaking, I would say that anything outside a 25 foot > circle about the hive is as safe as a mile. In the wrong kind of weather > anything inside a 10 foot circle is liable to stings however rare and midnites > are no exception. Article 12785 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 14:58:24 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 26 Message-ID: <357D3F80.4A9F@nt.com> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> <6lflah$af@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <357C03C1.9D3@nt.com> <6lh4q0$30r@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12785 George Styer wrote: > > But my question was: Is there research that tested the effectiveness of > reusing strips? Can you direct me to it? Is the statement "Re-using strips > is one of the most effective ways of helping varroa become resistant to > their active ingredient" opinion or fact? Defininately opinion but not just my own. > > BTW, when you only have a 2 or 3 hives and have to buy strips in a minimum > qty of 10, the cost is not insignificant. In the UK we have to use 4 strips of Bayvoral (Apistan isn't licenced here butwould/will be 2) and it comes in boxes of 5 foil bags with each bag containing 4 strips. So long as the bags are bought fresh they have a shelf life of 4 to 5 years. To do 1 treatment of a hive using 4 strips costs between 5 and 6 UKpounds say 8 to 10 US dollars, I sell my honey at 2.10 UKpounds for 1Lb or 3.90 UKpounds for 2Lb so it costs me about 2.5 Lbs honey per hive to treat with new Bayvoral . -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12786 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Bee Supplier (UK) Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:00:07 +0100 Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-15.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <357d31ab.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-15.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12786 I have catalogues for 'Steele & Brodie', and 'Thornes'. Can anybody give me suppliers of Bee Colonies in Northern UK? Best Price/Quality/Delivery are all factors! (Single colony only) Or does someone near Scunthorpe have a 'spare', for a small consideration? Thanks..... -- beeky@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk 'Smibatnmybolnimgoinome Article 12787 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Those "Killer Bees" Date: 8 Jun 1998 13:45:39 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 3 Message-ID: <6lgpu3$qvk$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-9.sl016.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12787 What ever became of the killer bee problem? See my post under the thread Article 12788 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!srv1.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.crc.ca!nott!torn!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 21:39:49 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 63 Message-ID: <6lhln5$2vg$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> <6lflah$af@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <357C03C1.9D3@nt.com> <6lh4q0$30r@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.38 X-Article-Creation-Date: Mon Jun 08 21:39:49 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12788 In article <6lh4q0$30r@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, "George Styer" wrote: > > But my question was: Is there research that tested the effectiveness of > reusing strips? Can you direct me to it? yes sorta - research was published in ABJ (don't recall which issue but someone may) in the which they wiped the strips to collect fluvalinate and tested to see how much of that active ingredient was collected from "new style" strips that were NEW, USED once, and Used then abraded - the crux was that only the new strips had anywhere near enough fluvalinate to do the job. >Is the statement "Re-using strips > is one of the most effective ways of helping varroa become resistant to > their active ingredient" opinion or fact? That would be opinion. IMO low continuous dosing is FAR less likely to develop fluvalinate resistant mites compared with HIGH dosing for too short a treatment duration (as per ****** spraying). Why is that my opinion - (not that this neccessarily makes it correct) well in both Italy and FL that was the common beekeeper practice immediately preceding the finding of fluvalinate resistant mites. So now you have two differing opinions - choose betwixt them or why not come up with another all on your own. > BTW, when you only have a 2 or 3 hives and have to buy strips in a minimum > qty of 10, the cost is not insignificant. Since you often need to treat twice a year it sounds to me like you can about buy a year's supply via buying 10 strips and I have seen dealers that break up 100 packs to sell you "just what you need." Okay at that number (10 pack) you may pay about $3/strip compared to the $1.50-1.75 I pay - oh did you ever think of buying the strips from a bigger beekeeper you know? OR pooling your club together to buy a hundred pack and save everybody some money? But let us say you dutifully shuck out $3/strip and you use two strips per treatment and you treat twice each year properly timed with the realities of mite and parasitized bee biology. That would be $12/colony/year just for Apistan treatment (which is about half of one stop at the gas station with my pickup). Okay compare that to $40-50 per package or nuc to replace them and which way keeps the hobby cost down the best??? Maybe I did my math wrong somewhere here but it seems like if have two colonies and you treat pretty near right and you still lose one colony every year anyway that you spend $24 on Apistan plus $45 on a nuc for a total of $65. And some years you don't lose one. OR if you don't treat you pretty near every year loss both colonies (especially if you use stock highly susceptible to BOTH mites) and you pay $90 for two nucs. Did I miss something here?? Yes it was cheaper to keep bees in pre-mite days - I will grant you that but them days are gone and they ain't coming back - see if them blooming mites all died tommorrow it would still be post-mite days not pre-mite days wouldn't it? ;-) Jack Griffes jack_griffes AT hotmail.com http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12789 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.uoregon.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hdsearcher@aol.com (HDsearcher) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Q for TBH enthusiasts Lines: 1 Message-ID: <1998060823460100.TAA26056@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1998 23:46:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12789 (T)errorized (B)ee (H)ive Article 12790 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Observation hive Date: Mon, 08 Jun 98 14:22:49 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <17F6FCA3ES86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6l80q4$9go$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> <6la5ec$4rl$1@magnolia.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12790 In article <6la5ec$4rl$1@magnolia.pe.net> amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) writes: > ... had a tattered old queen on it. If I were you I would > buy a fertile queen to stick in there.... Actually in an observation hive a queen of lesser quality may be preferable. A young fertile queen will quickly lay eggs beyond the observation hive's capacity. Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 12791 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Q for TBH enthusiasts Date: 9 Jun 1998 04:27:43 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 68 Message-ID: <6lidjv$8m3@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <6l7sn7$6ng@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.80.120 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn4feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12791 I built my first TBH this spring. I put the entrance in the end. From what I have read the bees tend to put brood near the entrance, which puts the honey then on the other end. My bees built lots of comb and very nicely. Unfortunately the queen that came with the 4 lb. package was a drone layer, so I got lots of drone comb. I now have a new queen. My hive slopes out about 13 degrees from vertical. The TB's are 21 1/2 in. by 1 3/8 in. The outside bottom edge is 15 5/8 in. (3/4 plywood) and the TB's are 12 in. above the bottom. The hive is 55 in long on the in side, therefore it holds 40 TB. This may be way to long, but I wanted lots of room for the first one. The extra room has been handy when inspecting the hive. I just set the combs in the extra space. It also gave me a space to put the feeder bottles. So far they have filled about ten topbars. I put a saw kerf down each TB and filled it with wax as a starter. So far the bees have made combs okay from this start. The only problem I have encountered so far is that the TBH is not at all compatible with Langstroth hives I would have liked to have used some of the extra brood from my other strong hives to strengthen this one. I have found this very interesting and I encourage you to give it a try. -- Remove one J from address. George Styer wrote in article <6l7sn7$6ng@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... > As hobbiest, I have always kept my bees in Langstroth's and will continue > to do so for extracted honey. It seems that neighbors and friends always > want to sample some honey when they visit so I thought a TBH would be ideal > for these small spur of the moment harvests. So.....I am contemplating > building a TBH and moving some bees out of one of my Langstroth's. But > first some questions. > > In looking at plans on the Net I notice some have the entrance on the long > side, while others have it on the narrow front. Does the location affect > where the brood nest is within the hive? What are the pros and cons of each > location? > > At what angle should the sides be sloped? I have seen plans with straight > sides, 60 and 77 degrees. My understanding is that the slope will > discourage the bees from attaching the comb to the sides. > > With a width of about 20" how many bars should there be adequate brood > rearing and some harvest? 20? 30? > > Anyone had experience or ideas about transitioning the bees occupying a > Langstroth to this new environment? I thought about setting the old deeps > on top of the TBH until all the brood emerged but I can't see the bees > drawing anything out below let alone the Q moving down. Would you > "slice-n-splice" the old comb onto the top bars? > > I am sure I will have more questions later but this is what has been on my > mind. > -- > Geo > "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" > gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > > Article 12792 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Richard A. Trevino, Jr." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. Date: 9 Jun 1998 02:06:44 GMT Organization: AMICI Online Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bd9337$1fbe6e20$bdf451ce@richard> References: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.81.244.189 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ptdnetP!newsgate.ptd.net!boris.eden.com!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12792 In May I ordered a 3 lb. package of Midnites for about $50 with postage. About 3 week after I installed them the queens laying pattern was spotted. I call York and asked if this was normal. They sent me a new queen free. If I wanted it sent express mail I would have to pay the postage. I have been very please with the Midnites so far. They are very docile. According to the ad in BeeCulture York's queens cost about $12 for Italian or Caucasian and $13 for Starline, Midnite or Double Hybrid. gwest7t@galstar.com wrote in article <35760046.2192@galstar.com>... > On 6-2-1998 in Neosho, Mo. a beekeeper had a story to tell. > It all started when he ordered 2 queens ($42.00 total price) from York > Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. When they arrived 1 was dead. He called the folks at > York Bee Co. and told them one queen arrived dead. He was told the only > way they would replace the queen is if he paid for it, another $21.00. > > This is a bad way to conduct business. > > Has anyone had a event like this happen? Please post the information. > gw > Article 12793 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!udel-eecis!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Books for the total beginner Date: 9 Jun 1998 03:39:30 GMT Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998060903393000.XAA28209@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <3575cfd4.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12793 The third edition of "The Beekeeper's Handbook" by Diana Sammataro and Alphonse Avitabile has just been published by A.I.Root for $29.95. The second edition was really terrific. I'm looking forward to getting my copy. David Morris Article 12794 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: mgrant0606@aol.com (MGrant0606) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Lines: 4 Message-ID: <1998060804200300.AAA27538@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1998 04:20:03 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <357B58C4.BA8DCED@fcbl.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12794 I have wanted bees for a very long time and have watched and read a alot, However this subject has my wife in a state of"NO BEES IN OUR YARD" It sound like I would be ok here. I have 2 wooded acres and could place the hive at least 75 ft from anything. any help for me?? Article 12795 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <357D52A7.68E51F24@csi.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:20:07 -0400 From: "Carl J. Rock" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Honey in cappings References: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-ntdwwaaw.compuserve.com Lines: 30 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12795 Double boiler stovetop method or wait for an extremely hot day. Place a 16 quart SS stock pot into a 20 quart canner (instant 16qt double boiler). Warm the cap/honey mess over burner until wax melts and separates (wax floats to top). Remove heat and allow to cool. Before wax begins to harden drape two strings from rim to rim and approx 2/3 or more depth of wax. Let cool until room temp. Gently remove wax by strings and process later. Ladle the honey into container(s) being careful not to disturb the last inch or two of honey. Caveats; Don't attempt to move hot containers. Don't raise boiler temperature any higher than necessary to make wax fluid. Wax vapors are extremely flammable, use proper ventilation. Strain the last inch or two of honey. The purists will denounce this with the claims heat ruins the flavor but you get good clean wax and excellent honey. HNNutt wrote: > Another dumb begginer question. I extracted yesterday and ended up with a 5 > gallon bucket about 3/4 full of cappings with honey mixed in. There appears to > be several quarts of honey in this stuff. With little or no equipment and less > knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? > I have 4 hives in central Texas. They did well. > > HNNutt@AOL.COM > HNNUTT@AOL.COM > > *** I'll hold the horse....You get the rope! Article 12796 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need a Double Screen Date: 9 Jun 98 10:51:59 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12796 I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two sreens separated enough that the bees on one side cannot touch the bees on the other side. You can put this between two hives to keep the bees separate but still make them think it is one hive. It also can have an entrance cut into one side. Can anyone tell me where I can purchase one that would fit a standard Langstroth hive OR where I can find plans to build one? Thanks Lisa Article 12797 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!news.ultranet.com!not-for-mail From: Marc Andelman Newsgroups: sci.bio.entomology.misc,sci.research.careers,ucd.talk.medical.entomology,tw.bbs.sci.entomology,ntu.dep.forestry,bionet.general,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: help with career Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 11:39:14 -0400 Organization: Biosource Lines: 88 Message-ID: <357D5722.B25@ultranet.com> References: <357C6BA8.BFD418E0@scescape.net> <357C6DC3.757FDE43@scescape.net> <357e462e.70866555@news.halcyon.com> <357CACA5.301F@interaccess.com> <357f9768.91663331@news.halcyon.com> <357CA437.1071@ultranet.com> <3581b59d.99397875@news.halcyon.com> <6ljken$89g$1@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: d193.dial-2.cmb.ma.ultra.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@ultra.net X-Ultra-Time: 9 Jun 1998 15:46:42 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology.misc:6851 sci.research.careers:27175 bionet.general:28347 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12797 I have cross pollinated this dicussion to the beekeeping newsgroup. Currently, bees are being decimated by two new diseases, varroa and tracheal mites. What is the state of research funding in varroa resistance? The economic stakes are huge. No pollination, no eat. The relevance to sci.research.careers is to point out that research funding is concentrated in very few areas, both in academia and in industry. Regards, Marc Andelman dahd wrote: > > In article <3581b59d.99397875@news.halcyon.com>, DrHeasley@Chemistry.com > says... > > > >On Mon, 08 Jun 1998 22:55:51 -0400, Marc Andelman > > wrote: > > > >>Frank wrote: > >>> > >> > >>> > > >>> >(Psst. Frank. Coleoptera aren't plants.) > >>> > > >>> >Bill > >>> >-- > >>> > >>> oops. > >>> > >>> Frank > >> > >> > >>Hi Frank > >> Coleoptera are beetles. In all my years of head hunting, > >>no one has ever called to ask for a coleoptera expert. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Marc Andelman > > > >Ok, so you got to be right once. Live it up.... > > > >Anyway, they live on Coleus plants, right, ;-) or was that some kinda > >green algae I was thinking about. now where did I leave that old bug > >book... > > > >Anyway, there is a serious shortage of entomologists these days. I > >hardly have any entomologist resumes. Unfortunately, the shortage of > >jobs for entomologists is even more serious. > > > >Frank > > Dahd Speaking: > > And the sad fact is that there are very very serious problems with > insect pests that need a great deal more attention and funding. > > To name a few-- > > Fire ants throughout the South > Termites Control > Roach Control > Cattle Pests of Various sorts > Tick Control/ to control arthropod borne diseases like Lyme Disease > and several others. > Mosquitos-- public health issues here. We haven't had a great > huge encephalitis epidemic in years, but it can happen. Lots of > other diseases transmitted by these critters too. > > The point here is that bucks have been going to very sexy research > areas in biotech and genetics. Great! But there is still lots of > of biological research that needs doing. > > Underfunded areas-- Entomology, Botany, Invertebrate Zoology. > The latter holds the key to understanding everything about development/ > cell growth regulation, > and therefore ultimately control of malignant diseases. > > Nearly dead areas of scholarship include paleontology, comparative > anatomy, developmental embryology > just to name a few. > > Well, resources are always limited, and we put our bucks in a targeted > fashion on what seems important to human interest-- and by targeting > our research we miss many opportunities for discovery through > basic researc/and luck to solve the very problems we attemt to > deal with through targeted research. Article 12798 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "Pete A. Wolcott" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 8 Jun 1998 05:17:51 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6lfs5v$28c@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.65.20.216 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12798 Len, I have heard 12 feet, but it depends on the bees. I mow the grass right up to mine with no problem. The hive should face SE. So you will need the most clearance in that direction. Honey bees don't BBQ. Yellow-jackets do. As for your neighbors, normally you need to keep your hives 25 ft from the line or have a solid fence. I have two hives at my step mothers and she hasn't noticed any more bees in here yard than before the bees were there. They spread out all over. Good Luck Pete Len wrote in article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>... > How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to > to live comfortably? > > Not even new (haven't gotten the hives yet, but planning) and there is > some concern in my family about distance to hive(s) for gardening, BBQ, > etc. Live in semi-rural area, one acre for us and similar housing in > pasture-like setting) but family members are afraid of stings. And don't > want to alarm other homes around me. So, how far? > TIA > Article 12799 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.delphi.com!news From: D Boller Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Tue, 9 Jun 98 13:58:27 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.93.4.2 X-To: "Lisa" Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12799 "Lisa" writes: >I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two Brushy Mountain Bee Farm has them. 1-800-233-7929. Catalog No. 694. $14.50. Article 12800 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9mm cell and varroa Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 08:41:37 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <357D57B1.D31@juno.com> References: <3577F727.96472D7A@csi.com> <357C0096.4482@nt.com> <6lhjhe$vh9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.70.220 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897417872 OCZ7E7JIA46DCD11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12800 the bee culture magazine, on-line at: http://www.airoot.com/beeculture/index.htm has run articles on/by the lusbys of arizona in the jan.&jun.'98 issues about this matter...interesting stuff, although it's difficult to draw generalized conclusions; hopefully harder data may be forthcoming in future from usda study derived from their experiences (see on-line article on erickson's work at): http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/beecells0597.htm also,p-o's swedish beekeeping homepage: http://www.algonet.se/~beeman/ in its research on varroa section, has the results of a student project on the influence of cell size on mite reproduction showing insignificant differences under their study conditions. Article 12801 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.138.0.5!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.pn.com!nntp.pn.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mountain Bee Products South Africa Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 12:14:23 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6lgdfi$p35$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-77.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12801 Take a look at our range of Procective Clothing for You the Beekeepere and get hold of me for details of prices. There is a Mountain of Experience behind our Range. Thanks RONIN J. MOUNTAIN begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO References: <357C6BA8.BFD418E0@scescape.net> <357CA437.1071@ultranet.com> <3581b59d.99397875@news.halcyon.com> <6ljken$89g$1@news.tamu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.bio.entomology.misc:6853 sci.research.careers:27193 bionet.general:28349 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12802 In article <6ljken$89g$1@news.tamu.edu>, dahd wrote: > >And the sad fact is that there are very very serious problems with >insect pests that need a great deal more attention and funding. > >To name a few-- > >Fire ants throughout the South >Termites Control >Roach Control >Cattle Pests of Various sorts >Tick Control/ to control arthropod borne diseases like Lyme Disease >and several others. o>Mosquitos-- public health issues here. We haven't had a great >huge encephalitis epidemic in years, but it can happen. Lots of >other diseases transmitted by these critters too. > >The point here is that bucks have been going to very sexy research >areas in biotech and genetics. Great! But there is still lots of >of biological research that needs doing. >Underfunded areas-- Entomology, Botany, Invertebrate Zoology. Honey bee parasitism/disease research should have been included in the above list--we'll forgive dahd for the omission. But molecular biology is so elegant--you just find 'em and grind 'em right? I mean, can't _anyone_ sequence genomes now, with all the nifty software? >Nearly dead areas of scholarship include paleontology, comparative >anatomy, developmental embryology >just to name a few. > Well, with Cladistics and the new perception that molecular genetics gives the researcher, why mess around with these untidy disciplines, right? >Well, resources are always limited, and we put our bucks in a targeted >fashion on what seems important to human interest-- and by targeting >our research we miss many opportunities for discovery through >basic research/and luck to solve the very problems we attempt to >deal with through targeted research. Yep. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12803 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!128.186.6.106.MISMATCH!news.fsu.edu!news-xfer.atlantic.net!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server5.netnews.ja.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!news.york.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: Paul Waites Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 8 Jun 1998 10:01:23 GMT Organization: Department of Biology, University of York Lines: 15 Sender: prw3@york.ac.uk Message-ID: <6lgcpj$do$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> References: <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> <6lee1r$q14@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: biolpc49.york.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12803 Hi all, I liked the comments about ensuring that you purchase a gentle strain, and you should have no problems, I would also recommend having some plants that grow-up near the front of the hive to encourage the bees to fly up and away rather than staying low to the ground, It will also serve to make a boundary that children don't cross. My only problem in an urban situation has been my neibours nice white sheets on their washing line. They haven'yt yet sussed out that it is my bees, but it will only be a matter of time:-) (I hope the free honey will keep them sweet). Paul. Article 12804 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!demos!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!195.64.68.27!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.belnet.be!news.fundp.ac.be!mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be!user From: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be (Benoit MARTIN) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Q for TBH enthusiasts Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 13:29:30 +0200 Organization: F.U.N.D.P - Cellular Biochemistry Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <6l7sn7$6ng@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mac-raes.biocell.fundp.ac.be Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12804 In article (Dans l'article) , James D Satterfield wrote (écrivait) : > On 5 Jun 1998, George Styer wrote: > > > As hobbiest, I have always kept my bees in Langstroth's and will continue > > to do so for extracted honey. It seems that neighbors and friends always > > want to sample some honey when they visit so I thought a TBH would be ideal > > for these small spur of the moment harvests. So.....I am contemplating > > building a TBH and moving some bees out of one of my Langstroth's. But > > first some questions. > > George, a tbh will probably serve you well for what you want to do. > What's the meaning of TBH ? -- Benoit MARTIN B-5000 Namur (Belgium). Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be Article 12805 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998060812555100.IAA24989@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 08 Jun 1998 12:55:51 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6lgcpj$do$1@pump1.york.ac.uk> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12805 If you provide some kind of screen or hedge (to force the bees to fly up) you can have them pretty close to the house without any problems. Provide water for them- they like a muddy spot or wet sand so thay can stand without drowning. They get attracted to porch and flood lights so provide some kind of blinder so they don't see it from their entrance. After the light goes out they tend to drop to the floor which can be a surprise when letting the dog in in your bare feet. Nothing like a jar of honey handed over the fence- known to solve many problems. Tom in CT Article 12806 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: steven.turner@zbee.com (Steven Turner) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!!steven.turner Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BBKA Bromley Bee-keepers Association Mailing list Message-ID: <897426344@zbee.com> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:05:44 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers Lines: 23 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12806 The Bromley Branch Kent Bee-keepers Association (Garden of England) The BBKA Has started a local newsletter which would interest Kent Beekeepers which will be distributed with "Bee Craft" each month to it's 60 + membership. Local bee news and events/happenings at Bromley bee Club can also be read on our new Internet mailing list which anybody can subscribe to. To subscribe to the BBKA mailing list Send an email to: bbka@zbee.com Subject: SUBSCRIBE The software used for the mailing LIST "Mailtraq" allowed me to setup in 3 minutes the BBKA listserver. Regards STEVEN TURNER G6LPF Beekeeper/gardener Sysop of Amigabee. http://www.beeman.dircon.co.uk/ Email: beeman@zbee.com ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!! Article 12807 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.216.193.98!golden.adams.net!not-for-mail From: "Colvis Orchards" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Our Fruit Orchard is For Sale Date: 9 Jun 1998 21:39:42 GMT Organization: Adams NetWorks Lines: 4 Message-ID: <01bd93ee$55b88ee0$83ded8cd@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp01-chester.egyptian.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12807 Our fruit orchard in Southern Illinois is for sale. If you are interested in the details please contact me. colvis@ns.egyptian.net Article 12808 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!news.inet.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "flemming rasmussen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kashmir Virus Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:51:45 +0200 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6lkee4$20ke$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip154.albnxr2.ras.tele.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12808 Is here anyone who nows somthing abut "kashmir virus".We have heard here in Denmark , that in Australia is wery manny bees dead of virus, that is infektet whith the varroa mite. Reagards F.Rasmussen. Article 12809 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9mm cell and varroa Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 23:54:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1998060923543375982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <3577F727.96472D7A@csi.com> <357C0096.4482@nt.com> <6lhjhe$vh9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 34 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12809 The message <6lhjhe$vh9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> from Griffes@my-dejanews.com contains these words: > Word on the grapevine here in the USA has it that some commercial > beekeeper(s) in the SW are switching over to smaller foundation size > COMPLETELY after playing with it a bit (no small task). The claim is that it > is initially quite hard to get bees to properly work the smaller cell size > (especially if they can choose another size - I believe it was plastic > foundation to prevent remaking of the cell base) but once they get it drawn > properly the claim is that the resultant "smaller" bees somehow keep Varroa > population in check. This is grapevine info ONLY and should not be construed > as tested info which it ain't. This was third hand info - so it may not be > worth the time it took to type it BUT it did catch my ear when I heard it and > it might be worth checking into further. > Jack Griffes > jack_griffes AT hotmail.com Here in Scotland (in an area still varroa free), I keep the native `black bee' which is generally smaller than other races. My brood comb is drawn on standard foundation and is usually discarded after 2-3 years as the pupal moult cases gradually reduce the internal cell diameter. If there is any value in smaller cell sizes, would it not be better to retain this old brood comb (hygiene considerations apart) with its progressively smaller cell size? Phil. Article 12810 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: prwatt@ifb.co.uk Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Ventillation Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 22:50:21 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6lke7d$qa$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.105.166.3 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 09 22:50:21 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.01; AK; Windows 95) X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 phoenix.ifb.net:8080 (Squid/1.1.20) for client 194.105.166.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12810 Hello All from Scotland, My wife Moira and I run colonies here in the north east of Scotland. We suffer from a wet and cold climate. This spring has from March been terrible. I tried to post a RE message against the posting about the ob hive which failed. Thus this . We use a lot of polystyerene hives, which like our timber hives have a ventillation panel in the floor. This is on average 10" sq. The advantage is we have found that the colony is better ventilated when moving, and the bees can better organise their air flow for converting nectar to honey. In this part of the world we use a single brood box whether Langstroth, or National, timber or polystrene. We use Q excluders and if possible we put on a poly super first to give the bees a warm start. Our ob hive also has a ventilation space in the floor as well as in the roof as a small colony has greater difficulty with temp control. We run Clipped Q's as a matter of course as part of our swarm control. I fully realise that a lot of this is alien to some folk but we are where we are in our climate and you are where you are! Wishing all full supers Pete. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12811 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!garnet.nbnet.nb.ca!not-for-mail From: David McKinney Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Watkins Bee Meter Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 23:41:42 -0300 Organization: NBTel Internet Lines: 10 Message-ID: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: davmc@nbnet.nb.ca NNTP-Posting-Host: fctnts09c14.nbnet.nb.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12811 A friend came into possession of a Watkins Bee Meter at a recent auction sale. It is about the size of a pocket watch, about 1 3/4 inches in diameter with a ring for a chain. The outside steel case is round, and the outer rim is numbered 0 to 500 "plate" on left side and 0 to 130 "exp" on right side. The inner portion turns and is marked f7 to f90 "stop" and the other half of circle is 9 to 130 "light". It is made in England and stamped Watkins Bee Meter in the center of the circle. Does anyone know what purpose it has in relation to the bee-keeping industry and its value? David McKinney, Fredericton NB Canada Article 12812 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: mdiver@voy.net (vger) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: 9 Jun 1998 22:13:18 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6lkc1u$ob2$1@supernews.com> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.42.133.142 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: 897430399 XWIOA1DPV858ED12AC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12812 In article <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com>, lkeeler@dowagro.com says... > >I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two >sreens separated enough that the bees on one side cannot touch the bees on >the other side. You can put this between two hives to keep the bees >separate but still make them think it is one hive. It also can have an >entrance cut into one side. > >Can anyone tell me where I can purchase one that would fit a standard >Langstroth hive OR where I can find plans to build one? > >Thanks >Lisa > > > Make your own, by using the frame of an inner cover and put screen on both sides and nail wood strips on the edges to hold the screen on and then cut an opening in the strip on as many sides as you want, and put a nail in the center of the smaller piece so you can open and close the opening. I've done this and it's fairly easy and it works great. mdiver@voy.net Article 12813 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!news.pe.net!not-for-mail From: JamesR@pe.net (Jim Rasmussen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: So Cal Mtns Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 02:44:51 GMT Organization: Nada Lines: 12 Message-ID: <357df262.1336581@news2.pe.net> Reply-To: jamesr@pe.net NNTP-Posting-Host: idl01ppp34.pe.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12813 I am a new beekeeper in the mountains of So Cal and I know there is at least one other perhaps more that have posted in this group. I have no idea of the nectar flow in this area, is there someone that does? If this is of limited interest, perhaps you could E mail me. Jim Rasmussen JamesR@PE.net Idyllwild CA Jim Rasmussen Email: JamesR@pe.net Idyllwild CA 92549 Article 12814 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Tue, 09 Jun 1998 21:43:03 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 21 Message-ID: <357DF2B7.B605BF86@fcbl.net> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.44 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897448217 EDOBMGQ.FB02CD018C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12814 Can you tell me what is the advantage of this method over a double hive or 2 single hives? Thanks Larry Lisa wrote: > I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two > sreens separated enough that the bees on one side cannot touch the bees on > the other side. You can put this between two hives to keep the bees > separate but still make them think it is one hive. It also can have an > entrance cut into one side. > > Can anyone tell me where I can purchase one that would fit a standard > Langstroth hive OR where I can find plans to build one? > > Thanks > Lisa Article 12815 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in cappings Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:53:00 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <357BECBC.36B8498B@fcbl.net> References: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.46 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897315565 EDOBMGQ.FB02ED018C usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12815 screen the stuff through a Fiberglass screen, then panty hose. Larry HNNutt wrote: > Another dumb begginer question. I extracted yesterday and ended up with a 5 > gallon bucket about 3/4 full of cappings with honey mixed in. There appears to > be several quarts of honey in this stuff. With little or no equipment and less > knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? > I have 4 hives in central Texas. They did well. > > HNNutt@AOL.COM > HNNUTT@AOL.COM > > *** I'll hold the horse....You get the rope! Article 12816 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 04:50:56 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <357BD020.19D1@juno.com> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> <357AA617.1F366E99@swbell.net> <357B5703.836FF16@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.70.216 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897317365 OCZ7E7JIA46D8D11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: Larry Williard Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12816 don't know where you live, but have you considered the possibilty of africanization? if you have an apiary inspection service, they will analyze a sample of worker bees (send the dead queen as well)...it may be of more than academic interest to find out...good luck! Article 12817 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:31:13 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 24 Message-ID: <357C03C1.9D3@nt.com> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> <6lflah$af@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!ulowell.uml.edu!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12817 George Styer wrote: > > Anyone know of any research that tested the effectiveness of reusing strips > for a 2nd and possibly a 3rd treatment? I believe they are intended to be > used only once but I have been told by some beekeepers that if you roughen > them up with a wire brush, you can reuse them a couple of times, although I > thought this brushing was to remove wax. Compare the cost of treating a hive with new Apistan (Bayvoral here in the UK) with the price of 1Lb honey and the cost of buying a colony of bees. Re-using strips is one of the most effective ways of helping varroa become resistant to their active ingredient and at the moment there is no alternate proven treatment that comes close being as effective. Don't re-use strips, in the UK we have an expression that sort of fits "Don't spoil a ship for a hapeth of tar" (hapeth is old currency worth half a penny). -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12818 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.162.159.201!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Bjørn Andresen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: BEE BOOST Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 22:37:33 +0200 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6lhi5f$mqs$1@news1.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-10.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12818 Hej everybody, Has anybody of you tried BEE BOOST, for what? Did it work? Thanks Bjorn Article 12819 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!uninett.no!not-for-mail From: "Anthony N. Morgan" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Watkins Bee Meter Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 08:58:20 -0700 Organization: HiST-elektro Lines: 37 Message-ID: <357EAD1C.2009@iet.hist.no> References: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> Reply-To: anthony@iet.hist.no NNTP-Posting-Host: ans77.iet.hist.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12819 David McKinney wrote: > = > A friend came into possession of a Watkins Bee Meter at a recent auctio= n > sale. It is about the size of a pocket watch, about 1 3/4 inches in > diameter with a ring for a chain. The outside steel case is round, and= > the outer rim is numbered 0 to 500 "plate" on left side and 0 to 130 > "exp" on right side. The inner portion turns and is marked f7 to f90 > "stop" and the other half of circle is 9 to 130 "light". It is made in > England and stamped Watkins Bee Meter in the center of the circle. Does= > anyone know what purpose it has in relation to the bee-keeping industry= > and its value? > David McKinney, Fredericton NB Canada This *must* be some sort of photographic exposure calculator! plate -- for photo plate sensitivity Din/ASA or earlier definition exp -- for exposure time, in seconds?? stop -- for the aperture f number or "stop" light -- for lighting conditions Some of the ranges sound a bit odd to say the least, can any photographic expert out there shed any light? I would guess that the item in question is of from some ealier period, but when? Again expert opinion? Why a *Bee* meter escapes me. cheers Tony -- = Anthony N Morgan Avdeling for Teknologi H=F8gskolen i S=F8r-Tr=F8ndelag N-7005 Trondheim Article 12820 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: Watkins Bee Meter Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 07:27:47 +0100 Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-41.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <357e2267.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-41.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12820 David McKinney wrote in message <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca>... >A friend came into possession of a Watkins Bee Meter at a recent auction >sale. It is about the size of a pocket watch, about 1 3/4 inches in >diameter with a ring for a chain. The outside steel case is round, and >the outer rim is numbered 0 to 500 "plate" on left side and 0 to 130 >"exp" on right side. The inner portion turns and is marked f7 to f90 >"stop" and the other half of circle is 9 to 130 "light". It is made in >England and stamped Watkins Bee Meter in the center of the circle. Does >anyone know what purpose it has in relation to the bee-keeping industry >and its value? >David McKinney, Fredericton NB Canada The terms 'exp' (exposure?), 'f' numbers, 'stop', and 'light', would suggest it is some kind of light meter (or 'calculator') for photography.......even plate, as in 'photographic plate', which were glass plates, before flexible film was invented........ Maybe not much help, but the terms were all familiar... -- KJ@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk 'Smibatnmybolnimgoinome Article 12821 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Q for TBH enthusiasts Date: 8 Jun 1998 16:55:02 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6lh516$30r@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6l7sn7$6ng@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.101.24 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12821 Top bar hive. I don't have the URL's in front of me but if you do a search on "top bar hive beekeeping" you will find a lot if info. Sounds like an interesting setup for a hobbyist. -- Geo Honey is sweet, but the bee stings. gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out to reply via e-mail! > > What's the meaning of TBH ? > -- > Benoit MARTIN > B-5000 Namur (Belgium). > Email: bmartin@biocell.fundp.ac.be > Article 12822 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Watkins Bee Meter Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998061013080000.JAA09442@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1998 13:08:00 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12822 Sounds to me like a circular slide rule "B" on a camera is for Bulb - the pickle you squeeze for manually tripping the shutter. Article 12823 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 14:13:43 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <17F70C81BS86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12823 In article <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> "Lisa" writes: > >I would like to have a "Double Screen" . Double Screens are more correctly called Snelgrove Boards (credited to L.E. Snelgrove). In addition to Brushy Mountain you will also find Snelgrove boards at Betterbee in Greenwich, NY 1-800-632-3379 Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 12824 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 09 Jun 98 14:26:53 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 119 Message-ID: <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12824 In article <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> Elroy Rogers writes: >... There is already an effort to quiet every >one that talks about mineral oil on the internet, bee-l no longer allows >it on the list because it offends the scientists on the list. This main >reason for the list to switch to a moderated (censored) list is to keep >controversial issues off, which is a request of the researchers. > >I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. > >Elroy > I know I'll regret this, but as the owner/editor/moderator/dedicated slave of BEE-L I find these coments EXTREMELY offensive. First, BEE-L is NOT censored, it's moderated. There is a big difference that simply seems beyond Elroy's ability to grasp. There has been no, none what-so-ever, NADA attempt to silence anything that anyone has to say on BEE-L. The specifically mentioned discussion (mineral oil as a treatment for varroa) was originally announced on BEE-L by the man doing the work, Pedro Rodriquez, DVM and the announcement and subsequent discussion has been near exhaustive regarding Dr. Rodriguez's work and experiment design. There was NO effort to silence the good Dr. and every opportunity was extended to him to allow him to disseminate his findings. In fact, Dr. Rodriguez left BEE-L because he could not keep up with the volumes of discussion and continue his work at the same time. Anyone willing to do the work can get the whole story by joining BEE-L and searching the archives. The discussion was free and open and extensive. The decision to make BEE-L a moderated list was one I made after long resisting the cries to do so. What finally had me make BEE-L a moderated list was the repeated futile requests to have posters follow accepted rule of netiquete. The straw that broke the camel's back were REPEATED repostings of previous material to add a line or two of additional comment. Repeated requests to modify writing style were ignored and it was not until control was enforced that excessive quotes ceased. AND excessive requoting ceased within days of implementing the controls. Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! For the records, the guidelines for acceptable postings to BEE-L are appended below. Within those guidelines, any and all discussion is welcome. As always, the discussion is free and open and everyone is invited to participate. For those who left BEE-L because it became too chatty/flamy/off topic/noisy, I invite you to examine again what a valuable medium it is. For those who care to throw stones at the efforts of those who provide the service I'm thankful for you to stay away. Sincerely, Aaron Morris Bee-l Owner/Editor/Moderator Since BEE-L has been a moderated list it has become aparant that there are 6 catagories of inappropriate postings which result in the submission being returned to the sender. Those catagories are listed below, followed by the short rejection notice that may be returned to sender. 1. Excessive Quoting: Your post to BEE-L is being returned beacuse it contains an entire quote of a previous submission. Excessive quoting clutters up the BEE-L archives and is considered bad nettiquite. Please edit the quoted material so that it only includes that which is pertinent to the point you are making and resubmit your article. Thank you for helping to make BEE-L a better list. 2. Article submitted as an HTML document. Your submission to BEE-L was rejected because it was sent as an HTML document. Please if you will, resend your post as "text only" Thank you for your continued participation on BEE-L. 3. Personal response sent to the entire list Your recent submission to BEE-L is being returned to you as it is a personal response to a previous post. Your response should be sent to the author of the previously posted material. Thank you for your continued participation on BEE-L. 4. File Attachments not allowed Your submission to BEE-L was rejected because it contains a file attachment of unknown type that: a. may not be readable by all mailers b. adds nothing to the content of your post. Please if you will, resubmit your post without the attachment. Thanks you for your continued participation on BEE-L. 5. Service request sent to the list rather than the server Your submission to BEE-L is being returned to you because it is a request for service which should be sent to the server (LISTSERV@cnsibm.albany.edu), not the list (BEE-L@cnsibm.albany.edu). 6. Off Topic Your submission to BEE-L has been rejected because it is not related to the 'Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology'. Article 12825 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!130.185.14.35!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmerhc5e.bnr.ca!bcrkh13.bnr.ca!news From: Adrian Kyte Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 4.9mm cell and varroa Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 16:17:42 +0100 Organization: Bell Northern Research Lines: 32 Message-ID: <357C0096.4482@nt.com> References: <3577F727.96472D7A@csi.com> Reply-To: adrian.kyte@nt.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppaid00t.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12825 Carl J. Rock wrote: snip > and the cell size of the Pierco was 5.2mm. The discussion progressed to > varroa and smaller brood cell. > > I had read an article a few weeks ago that mentioned smaller cells > were somehow linked to effect varroa population but included neither > data nor conclusion. The supplier offered further information that > seems plausible. > > What he had read was a study on varroa resistant bees somewhere in > Russia was concluding a smaller brood cell size, 4.9mm nominal, seemed > key and apparently what happens is the smaller bee matures a day or more > sooner disrupting the varroa cycle. snip The easter honey bee (apis cerana) develped alongside of varroa and co-exists because the bees gromm each other, damaging the varroa mites in the process and crucially spend a shorter time in the form of brood. This latter trait results in less varroa produced during each brood cycle, our honey bee (apis mellifera) developed independant of varroa so does not naturally have any defences against it. I don't know whether apis cerana has smaller cell size than apis mellifera and I doubt that the bees would build smaller cells for brood just because the impressions start off smaller, they do after all modify standard cell size impressions to produce drone brood if they want drones. -- Regards Adrian :-{)} I'm based in Devon which is in the South West corner of England. All views expressed or implied are my own not my employers. work: adrian.kyte.delete_this@nt.com home: beeman.dlete_this@enterprise.net Article 12826 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!emphasys.demon.co.uk!emph.com!alyn From: Alyn Ashworth Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey in cappings Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 16:49:43 +0100 Organization: Emphasys Computer Consultants Ltd. Message-ID: <4PW0CGAXgAf1EwTP@emph.com> References: <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: emphasys.demon.co.uk:158.152.242.226 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897321032 nnrp-09:26501 NO-IDENT emphasys.demon.co.uk:158.152.242.226 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 13 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12826 In article <1998060810553100.GAA15534@ladder03.news.aol.com>, HNNutt writes >Another dumb begginer question. I extracted yesterday and ended up with a 5 >gallon bucket about 3/4 full of cappings with honey mixed in. There appears to >be several quarts of honey in this stuff. With little or no equipment and less >knowledge, what's the easiest and quickest way to seperate the honey? You could wash through in the minimum possible amount of water, then make some mead from the result, topping-up if necessary with water or honey. -- Alyn Ashworth Article 12827 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.com!udel-eecis!not-for-mail From: saunders@eecis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 10 Jun 1998 11:50:30 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: algol.cis.udel.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12827 In article <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, Aaron Morris wrote: >... > >Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. >Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are >no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! > I'm sorry, but that last sentence DOES look like censorship! >... > > 6. Off Topic > > Your submission to BEE-L has been rejected because it is > not related to the 'Informed Discussion of Beekeeping > Issues and Bee Biology'. That word "Informed" requires a judgement, i.e. censorship. I can imagine that Elroy Rogers may be quite a pest, but I see his rantings about the research community as being at least on topic. These comments notwithstanding, I liked your post and because of it I intend to join BEE-L again. Cheers and appreciation for the difficult task of moderating a list. -dave saunders Article 12829 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!interpath.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!denver-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!herald.mines.edu!not-for-mail From: Brian Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: splitting hive - finding queen Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 12:35:14 -0600 Organization: Colorado School of Mines Lines: 21 Message-ID: <357ED1E2.33173819@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: metsb.mines.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12829 I have ordered two new queens with the plans of splitting one of my hives to make three hives. I had initially planned to split the hive three ways a week or so before the queens arrived, and by checking for eggs determining which hive still had the old queen thereby knowing which hives should receive the new queens. Unfortunately, some things came up and I didn't get the splits done on time. So, since I am not good at finding queens, I am wondering if it would be possible to find a queen by placing a caged queen in the hive, closing the hive for a short time, then reopening the hive and looking at the cage with the new queen. It seems to me that the old queen will smell the new queen and I should be able to easily find her on the new queen cage trying to kill the new queen. Then I can cage the old queen as well, make the split, and ensure each split gets one and only one queen. So, will it work? Will the old queen come to the bait? Or will the queens still try to fight by stinging through the screen wire causing me to lose one of them? Brian Article 12830 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Protective Garments for Beekeepers Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:01:18 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6lmlhm$kp1$2@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-84.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12830 Mountain Bee Products of South Africa --- Beekeepers specializing in the Manufacturing of Protective Garments for Beekeepers Worldwide http://www.birker.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html Contact Robin Mountain at mountbee@iafrica.com begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 11:57:20 -0400 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 44 Message-ID: <357EACE0.78CB@povn.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6lje08$i7i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: hensler@povn.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp242.povn.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12831 Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote: > > > I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. > > > > I doubt he will as he has given NO signs of it yet that I have seen. Some > moderated groups definitely improve the quality of posts thereon however. > Take rec.h-nting as an example - without moderation it got bogged down with > posts by bashers on the attack rather than discussions of hu-ting which it is > for. (letters dropped to prevent searchers from finding the word hereon and > bashing) If that sorta thing was happening here then moderation would help - > since it ain't happening here we don't need nor desire moderation of the ng. > We are lucky too as this group stays on topic and avoids flame wars better > than most - even when debates arise the participants tend to leave the debate > on speaking terms though perhaps still of the same opinion as when the > debate/discussion ensued. Since opinions based on experiences are liable to > differ dramatically it would be mighty odd if we all agreed about every > blooming thing. Yo Jack: The flip side of this coin is that rec.h-nting is about to go belly-up due to the moderator not being able to keep up with the posts. Maybe in the final analysis it will boil down to either having a forum which is abused by a few, forcing the rest of the participants to discover how to use their delete key, or the total loss of the group. Like you point out, so far this is not a problem on sci.ag.bee.etc. and maybe by *self*-moderating we can keep it that way. Of the dozen or so news groups that I either have taken part in the past, or are currently participating in, I would rate sci.bee as being the most mature, subject-oriented and downright helpful of the lot. Thanks for a great post, Skip Skip and Christy Hensler THE ROCK GARDEN Newport, Wash. http://www.povn.com/rock Article 12832 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Larry Williard Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Agressive bees requeen? Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 15:40:57 -0500 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 18 Message-ID: <357C4C59.25A21424@fcbl.net> References: <355FC139.54AF771E@fcbl.net> <35734067.E7717652@fcbl.net> <6kvuo4$1hq@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35741CEA.E1662B69@fcbl.net> <357AA617.1F366E99@swbell.net> <357B5703.836FF16@fcbl.net> <357BD020.19D1@juno.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.24.176.48 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897322997 EDOBMGQ.FB030D018C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12832 Today I found the old queen and reluctantly killed her. sniff sniff. I looked for the new queen and didn't see her, all the field force had rejpined that hive so it was pretty aggressive still. I hope they didn't kill her. I did see a lot of eggs though maybe all the available combs were filled. I placed a piece of newspaper between the bodies and put the old body on top of the new one. I will check in a few days for the queen and/or eggs. Larry tomas mozer wrote: > don't know where you live, but have you considered the possibilty of > africanization? if you have an apiary inspection service, they will > analyze a sample of worker bees (send the dead queen as well)...it may > be of more than academic interest to find out...good luck! Article 12833 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ntemplar@aol.com (NTemplar) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Oil Seed Rape Honey Required in UK Lines: 8 Message-ID: <1998061021004900.RAA24214@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1998 21:00:49 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12833 I wish to purchase OSR honey as this year I only took 70 lbs. I am willing to collect in any of the following UK postcodes B BA BS CF CV DY GL HR LE LD MK NN NP OX SA TF SN WR WV WS. Cash price will depend on qualtity quality & current storage (jars or tubs). Positive replies only please. Thanks Nick Article 12834 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!newsspool.sol.net!newstank.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beefriend@aol.com (Beefriend) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Famous Beekeepers Date: 10 Jun 1998 21:55:03 GMT Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998061021550300.RAA00746@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com References: <1998060903393000.XAA28209@ladder03.news.aol.com> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12834 On occasion, some one asks about famous beekeepers. I've just come across a new name to add to the list. In the book "Producing, Preparing, Exhibiting and Judging Bee Produce" by W. Herrod-Hempsall that I have been reading lately, the author recounts two incidents where Lloyd George (former Prime Minister of Great Britian, 1916-1922) received first prizes for his honey because the judges were aware of the identity of the exhibitor. Do you suppose he gave any honey to Buckingham Palace? Cheers, David Morris Laurel, Md Article 12835 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.207.0.26!nntp.giganews.com!news-feeds.jump.net!solomon.io.com!globeset.com!dca1-feed1.news.digex.net!digex!news.sssnet.com!news From: "Don Zickefoose" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives Date: 9 Jun 1998 20:12:25 GMT Organization: SSSNet, Inc. News Server Lines: 39 Message-ID: <01bd93e4$757880a0$519e75d1@zickefoo.RACleMail> References: <6lf9sm$2s3$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> <6lh884$mer@ednet2.orednet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: massillon-158-81.sssnet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12835 I have a township lot that is 50' wide, and 175' deep, the neighbors have a swimming pool, my plan is to place my hives directly in my garden at the corner of the lot ~60' from the neighbors swimming pool. I live in Ohio. Does anyone see any problems with getting started in this environment. Thanks in advance. Richard Yarnell wrote in article <6lh884$mer@ednet2.orednet.org>... > > In a previous article, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) says: > > >In article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>, len@sonic.net says... > > >>How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to > >>to live comfortably? > > >You have replies that indicate you could have the hive in VERY close proximity > >to family activities. Though such is possible, don't do it. On the other hand > >don't worry. If you have an acre you are in good shape. > > Much smaller lots can provide safe and neighbor friendly sites. In > addition to all the help you've received here, be sure to check with your > local government to be sure you're in compliance with its rules. (In > Portland, for example, the hives must be at least 25' from any residential > building and 50 feet from any public road or sidewalk.) > > _If_ someone should be injured by your bees (unlikely) and it is found > they are not sited in accordance with local ordinances, you're much more > likely to be found liable than you would be if you've sited your bees with > proper clearances, etc. > -- > > Article 12836 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 06:30:09 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 68 Message-ID: <357BE761.4DA1@juno.com> References: <357b2b09.151173440@news.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.70.206 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897323321 OCZ7E7JIA46CED11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: John Caldeira CC: mts@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!rochester!biko.cc.rochester.edu!newshub.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12836 these experiments were conducted as part of a study to evaluate varroa resistance to fluvalinate, the active ingredient in apistan...an abstract appears in the proceedings of the american bee research conference (baxter et al.,am.bee.j.138:291); discussions by eischen have appeared in several recent a.b.j. issues, as well as an overview of the situation in the april '98 "apis" newsletter available on-line at: http://www.ifas.ufl.edu/~mts/apishtm/apis.htm. the results are somewhat confusing even in the context of what has been reported, and out-of-context interpretations even more so, but here are some ever so cautiously worded excerpts anyways: from the abstract,"...evidence demonstrates that some varroa populations in the u.s. are becoming resistant to fluvalinate." from the newsletter,"...misuse of fluvalinate has probably occurred, as it has elsewhere in the world." the "apis" issue includes a do-it-yourself test for detecting resistance, developed by the usda and presumably soon to be published in the a.b.j., a beekeeper-friendly screening tool complete with researcher-friendly disclaimer...hope this helps! John Caldeira wrote: > > Recent experiments by researchers at the Weslaco Honey Bee Research > Unit (Dr.Frank Eischen and others, U.S. Department of Agriculture) > provides insights on two aspects of Apistan's effectiveness that have > been discussed on this newsgroup in months past: (1) the relative > effectiveness of the old "Section 18" strips and (2) whether > scratching the surface of Apistan strips increases their mite kills. > > 1. Relative effectiveness of the current Apistan versus 10-year old > "Section 18" strips in controlling varroa mites: In an experimental > 24 hour treatment, the following mite kill resulted: > > Apistan Section 18 (1 strip/colony): 1924 > Apistan (current U.S., 2 strips/colony): 1355 > Apistan from Europe (1 strip/colony): 678 > Untreated control: 150 > > This suggests that the old Section 18 strips were, indeed, more > effective in killing varroa mites. > > > 2. Whether stratching/abrading the surface of Apistan strips > increases its effectiveness in killing varroa mites: In an > experiment, Apistan strips were either scratched on one side or both > sides, and compared to unscratched control strips. The researchers > found that unscratched Apistan controlled about 17% of varroa in the > Florida test colonies, whereas one-side scratched Apistan controlled > slightly more and double-side scratched killed twice the number of > mites that the unscratched Apistan did. It was hypothesized that the > increased mite control resulted from increasing the surface area on > the Apistan strips. > > These experimental results were informally described in the Texas > Beekeepers Association's Journal (May/June, 1998). Sample sizes of > some of the treatments were not described. > > Regards, > John > > ================================================ > John Caldeira > Dallas, Texas > http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ > ================================================ Article 12837 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.idt.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive - finding queen Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:59:15 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 31 Message-ID: <6lnh63$rjj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357ED1E2.33173819@mines.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 11 02:59:15 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12837 In article <357ED1E2.33173819@mines.edu>, Brian wrote: > > I have ordered two new queens with the plans of splitting one of my > hives to make three hives. > >Then I can cage the old queen as > well, make the split, and ensure each split gets one and only one queen. My question is: Why do you wish to insure "each split one and only one queen"?? It is invariably too late now to plan to accomplish this but when we do "yard trashing" (same yard split technique - article in ABJ - hmmm when was it - maybe April 1996) we don't make any prolonged effort to find any queens (such efforts are reserved for valuable breeder queens ONLY) but rather we make the splits - confuse the daylights out of the yard by moving EVERY split around (in a circle if on bottom boards - every which way if on pallets that had been in rows) and then the next day (can do it same day) coming back and dropping a protected cell or two in each split. When splits are done while it is warm you use Top Bar Cell Protectors and never have to pull a frame when planting cells. Some of the older queens get superseded via this (around 60-80% if a decent flow is on) and some small percentage of colonies end up with two queens which ain't all bad either. Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12838 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 02:38:50 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 58 Message-ID: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 11 02:38:50 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12838 The following message was sent to BeeBreed (worldwide e-mail list for researchers working to breed bees resistant to mites and disease) by Gard Otis - obviously he forwarded it to BeeBreed as he ain't the author of it as you will note upon reading it. Thought it might be of interest/concern. Best wishes, Jack Griffes ========================================== ========================================== NEW BEE PEST FOUND IN FLORIDA Laurence Cutts, Chief Apiary Inspector for the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Service, reported today that a new exotic pest of honey bees had been discovered in Florida. A sample was submitted by a beekeeper on June 1 which was later identified on June 5, 1998 as being the small hive beetle, Aethina tumida (familyNitidulidae). Cutts reports that the small hive beetle has been found in four operations on the east coast of Florida in the Ft. Pierce and St. Lucie area. A delimiting survey is currently being conducted. Plans are being made to quarantine the infested area. Most of the honey bee colonies from at least one of the known infested operations are currently in Maine for pollination rental. Other colonies from the area have been moved earlier in the year to various locations across the country. It is not yet known whether any beetles were transported with the bees, and if they were transported to other places whether they will survive in cooler areas of the country. The small hive beetle has killed colonies that were apparently strong in Florida. Mr. Cutts described the larvae of this beetle as being the size of the lesser wax moth but looking like a typical beetle larvae with six legs. The larvae apparently feed on a mixture of honey and pollen. In particular, they have been uncapping sealed honey, defecating in the honey and making it unattractive to the bees. Adult beetles are also found in the hive where they are repelled by light and hide in debris on the bottom board and between frames and hive boxes. Colonies have been found with 100's of adult beetles and 1,000's of larvae. Aethina tumida larvae leave their host colony and burrow into the ground to pupate. Control of this beetle could probably by made while it is out of the hive and in the ground. Pest control products made for killing mole crickets or fire ants (Diazinon) would probably kill this beetle. The literature reports this beetle as being as destructive as the wax moth where it is widely distributed in tropical and subtropical Africa. Both larval and adult stages cause damage in colonies. However, in Africa there are few beetles reported in strong colonies with the beetle normally attacking weak colonies and stored equipment. The adult beetle is shiny brown to black and is about 0.5 cm in length. Fermenting fruit is reported to be attractive to the beetle. Submitted by I. Barton Smith, Jr., State Apiary Inspector, Maryland Department of AgricultureJune 8, 1998 -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12839 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 03:04:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6lnhg3$s32$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6lje08$i7i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <357EACE0.78CB@povn.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.17 X-Article-Creation-Date: Thu Jun 11 03:04:34 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12839 In article <357EACE0.78CB@povn.com>, hensler@povn.com wrote: a very nice post which included: >Of the dozen or so > news groups that I either have taken part in the past, or are currently > participating in, I would rate sci.bee as being the most mature, > subject-oriented and downright helpful of the lot. Howdy Skip, Thanks muchly for the high compliment you pay the many particpants on this ng. Ya know it just don't surprise me though as beekeepers tend to be a helpful lot as a "thumb rule" with all due respect and realization that exceptions do occur. Best wishes, Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12840 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Book for Beeginner Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998061104075001.AAA11044@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1998 04:07:50 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6lnhg3$s32$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12840 I am somewhere between beginner and dangerous as a beekeeper but someone asked about a book How to keep bees and sell honey- from Walter Kelly A lot of the questions I learned answers to the hard way or the slow way are covered in this book. $5.00 from Walter Kelly CO which I think is a bargain Tom in CT Article 12841 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: 10 Jun 98 08:45:59 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bd9476$1891c4e0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> <357DF2B7.B605BF86@fcbl.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12841 Larry; What I want to use it for is as a temporary divide in one hive. I'm going to put a new queen in the top and have the old queen below. I want to keep the two sets of bees separate so that the ones with the old queen don't kill the new one. This way I can get the new queen established on her own but without completely separating the hives so that the two sets of bees recognize each other when I put them back together. Lisa Larry Williard wrote in article <357DF2B7.B605BF86@fcbl.net>... > Can you tell me what is the advantage of this method over a double hive or 2 > single hives? > Thanks > Larry > Article 12842 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsroute.bconnex.ca!beaker.tor.sfl.net!news.rdc1.on.wave.home.com!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.wa.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <357F92A2.4D1EC99A@home.com> From: H Tait Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: dead bees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 16 Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 08:08:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cs689223-a.sshe1.sk.wave.home.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:08:01 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12842 I made about 40 nukes about 2 weeks ago and went out today todayto see how they were doing. Everything was fine except for one hive. All the capped brood were partialy uncapped and were dead and white. So I thought ok some of the cold weather we had last week chilled the brood. But on the bottom board there were about 200 adult dead bees. If it was the cold they should'nt have been affected. There are 40 other hives in this yard that show perfectly normal I thought maybe pesticide but it should have affected other hives in the yard. Any ideas appreciated Thanks Hugh Tait Article 12843 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive - finding queen Date: 11 Jun 1998 05:55:25 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01bd9525$4533e780$cf003dce@pettyben> References: <357ED1E2.33173819@mines.edu> <6lnh63$rjj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.61.0.207 X-Trace: 897544525 FJ6/YA4JN00CFCE3DC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12843 what is a "protected cell: and what are Top Bar Cell Protectors? Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote in article <6lnh63$rjj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >by moving EVERY split around > (in a circle if on bottom boards - every which way if on pallets that had > been in rows) and then the next day (can do it same day) coming back and > dropping a protected cell or two in each split. When splits are done while > it is warm you use Top Bar Cell Protectors and never have to pull a frame > when planting cells. Some of the older queens get superseded via this > (around 60-80% if a decent flow is on) and some small percentage of colonies > end up with two queens which ain't all bad either. > > Jack Griffes > http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ > > Article 12844 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!newsfeed.orst.edu!wilbur.sequent.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "petty" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Kashmir Virus Date: 11 Jun 1998 06:13:17 GMT Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <01bd9527$c437db20$cf003dce@pettyben> References: <6lkee4$20ke$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.61.0.207 X-Trace: 897545597 FJ6/YA4JN00CFCE3DC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12844 there were a lot of articles written in various journals about Kashmir Virus- mostly in 1996- do you have access to Apicultural Research, Apidologie, American Bee Journal, Apiacta? I may go outside of my limits here, but evidently Kashmir Virus (along with Acute Paralysis Virus and perhaps some others) exist as inapparent infections in honey bee populations. when the population is infested with Varroa the virus occurs in greater quantities. . there is work being done in The Netherlands on the realtionship between honey bee viruses and infestation with varroa. their web site is www.res.bbsrc.ac.uk/entnem/about/projects/varroa/varnorm2.htm flemming rasmussen wrote in article <6lkee4$20ke$1@news-inn.inet.tele.dk>... > Is here anyone who nows somthing abut "kashmir virus".We have heard here in > Denmark , that in Australia is wery manny > bees dead of virus, that is infektet whith the varroa mite. > > Reagards F.Rasmussen. > > > Article 12845 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!frankfurt.de.uu.net!main.de.uu.net!news-reader.dortmund.de.uu.net!not-for-mail From: "Beekeeper" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: 11 Jun 1998 12:04:57 GMT Organization: Customer of UUNET Germany; Info: info@de.uu.net Lines: 30 Message-ID: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.155.171.161 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12845 The making the walnut shells solution. One collected the green shells from walnuttree in the autumn, if fall the nuts, hackled she and fills therewith good lockable glass (best 1- liter glasses) until short under the margin. The sum get then with firespirit filled up and good airproof closed. After four weeks has takes one a ready made means that the bees no one damage, but by the odour the we can't Persons with our sense of smell quite determine, the Varroa sells. By the application fly the spirit inside less minutes, what the bees with open floor nothing incommoded. The solution with the paintbrush on the ramming, floor, pages laid on, sell the Varroa mite, when I bring the solution to the application. Update : At 14. and 15.02.1998 could I only all small deaddrop determine and founds no Varroa mite. I keep at the method, want but once more points at, that by the fabrication the solution only green shells come into operation. As soon the shells longer in the grass lie, become this black and are valueless. The solution self sees after four weeks right black from and is usable. I do hope, that I have with this contribution an expedients for the combat the Varroa marked down and wish each bee keeper good luck with his honeybees. Article 12846 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.nero.net!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: dead bees Lines: 71 Message-ID: <1998061112381500.IAA09366@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1998 12:38:15 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <357F92A2.4D1EC99A@home.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12846 From: H Tait <> If they didn't have enough bees to cluster and protect the brood from the cold, they might not have enough bees to even keep the adults from chilling. But it is the time of year for clover to be blooming in orchard floors. Do you have one near you? It is also the time of year for a broad spectrum insecticide application in orchards. If so, you may have a pesticide hit. Remember, bees are creatures of habit. They follow their scouts at first, but if the scouts led them to clover in an orchard, they probably will continue there through their lifetimes, while other hives may work in the opposite direction. I have often seen bad pesticide hits on some hives in a bee yard, while others showed little or no effect. It just tells you where they are working. (Well, weak hives that aren't foraging much won't get much pesticide exposure, either. That's why pesticide hits from misuse are a good way to reverse your selective breeding.) If you have an orchard nearby, you need to make sure they don't have clover or other weeds that attract bees blooming in the orchard floor. Remember, you have the law on your side, when you discuss this with the grower. He cannot apply pesticides contrary to the label directions, and most insecticides forbid application when bees are foraging in the application area. If he has blooming clover, he's got to remove the bloom by a good mowing before spraying, or kill the clover with herbicide, or apply a non-residual material after the bees are done working for the day. If this happens often, make a video showing the bees foraging on clover/weeds while he is spraying. The call your environmental enforcement folks and report a suspected violation. They will check what material; if the label forbids application while bees are foraging, he will be cited, and perhaps fined. Don't let them do the runaround to keep you hopping at their beck and call. They will want to call you before spraying, and order you to "protect the bees." You can't do that. Hobby beekeepers usually have another job and can't stay home all day. Commercial beekeepers have many yards and can be exposed at multiple locations on the same day. Restraining bees on a hot day, can cause nearly as much damage as a pesticide hit. The label makes it the responsibility of the applicator. All bees must be protected, not just yours. The grower will need the bees again next spring, so use this for more leverage. There are other places than orchards where you could get a hit, but this time of year, the orchard misuse type situation is the most common. Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12847 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 11 Jun 1998 12:27:03 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 54 Message-ID: <6loien$ff$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12847 In article <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu>, Dave Saunders wrote: > >I'm sorry, but that last sentence DOES look like censorship! Ack. I envy the future historians when they get to do the internet in the 1990s. They'll have fun with the redundancy that is seemingly built into the human psyche. If one runs a listserv, one may specify whatever one wants, as far as content guidelines-- as Aaron Morris has done with bee-l; ostensibly to improve the effectiveness and utility of the listserv. "Censorship" really isn't an applicable concept as the listserv is public and free--basically one is "invited" to mail letters to bee-l: it doesn't exist for everyone's innate use. Usenet is somewhat similar. Surely anyone can post anything at anytime to any newsgroup--though there are group charters and topical guidelines. As more and more people gain access to the net, more and more greedy, selfish types abuse the "free" aspect of Usenet and public listservs: "Hey, it's there, I'll use it for my own end." Then, since there are so many people, spam happens, off-topic posts happen, trolls occur, and the yammering becomes unbearable. Aaron decided to stop writing the same polite letter, and change bee-l's structure so that it could continue to function as the entity it is: a resource for beekeepers, on the internet. To say that he's "censoring bee-l" is analogous to saying that human vaccinations for disease, are facsist. Here on sci.agriculture.beekeeping, posts are read and innapropriate ones are dealt with as described in the spam FAQ that ANYONE may read, as it is on the net. No magic, no moderation, just hard work. Getting a big eight newsgroup to become moderated is not any small feat-- a netizen cannot just "moderate" a newsgroup. There's a huge, laborious process, debate, vote etc. etc. As is good internet policy, before you state your opinion, perhaps you should research the situation--most probably someone has already said what you are planning to write, and the points have already been discussed. FAQS, news.answers.* newsgroups, and web sites devoted to internet use exist. One needs only to read what's there and help themselves. It wasn't too long ago that besides bee-l there were no internet beekeeping resources, besides a few tiny text files residing in some weird, back-water ftp sites. Look at the beekeeping net now. Fantastic: as it should be. We're all interested and helping each other-- let's keep on doing this. Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12848 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: pollinator@aol.com (Pollinator) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Lines: 61 Message-ID: <1998061112534500.IAA10376@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 11 Jun 1998 12:53:45 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12848 From: "Beekeeper" <> Dear Mr. Marbach: I realize English isn't your native language, so I appreciate your effort in posting this. There is a lot that I don't understand though, so maybe we can work at this together. It sounds as if you are collecting the hulls (the soft green outside layer around the walnuts, not the shells), and making a treatment for varroa. You are breaking up the hulls, and filling widemouth glass jars with them, sealing, then placing them in the sun. Is this to "cook" out a gas from the hulls? By "spirit" you mean gas? Or do you add water to make a solution? How are you releasing this agent into the hives? I don't comprehend "fly the spirit." Please explain further. I am a slow student, and the teacher may have to explain some more...... Pollinator@aol.com Dave Green Hemingway, SC USA The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html Jan's Sweetness and Light Shop (Varietal Honeys and Beeswax Candles) http://users.aol.com/SweetnessL/sweetlit.htm Article 12849 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 15:14:17 +0100 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-35.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!btnet-peer!btnet!news.freedom2surf.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-35.dial.nildram.co.uk Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12849 Let's say there are about 30,000 bees in a hive, and on a particular day, when the weather is variable, and there are about 300/500 bees foraging, or at least outside the hive. Then, say, I catch any honey-bees which appear in my garden, and put them in my empty hive. It may be a few minutes before it finds its way out, during which time it will have detected, and maybe 'picked up' the smell of the fresh foundation. Say I do this regularly, so assume there have been bees from different colonies. Got all that? OK. Question.....What do you reckon the chances are of one of these bees passing on this information, so that a future swarm may be *aware* of a potential new home? I know swarms send out 'scout bees' to find 'premises', but I mean, specifically, before swarming is imminent. I already suspect what the answer will be, but would like to hear what others think. -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis"-"Ne Cede Malis" Article 12850 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <357FE024.888FB34D@csi.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:48:21 -0400 From: "Carl J. Rock" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question: Distance from Hives References: <6lf9sm$2s3$2@solaris.cc.vt.edu> <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net> <6lh884$mer@ednet2.orednet.org> <01bd93e4$757880a0$519e75d1@zickefoo.RACleMail> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!ais.net!ais.net!jamie!ix.netcom.com!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-ntawwabp.compuserve.com Lines: 77 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12850 If not incorporated, it would be under jurisdiction of the township/trustees. It's not likely you'll find a restriction in township regulations, more likely you'll find the opposite, something to the effect; apiary and activities related to bee husbandry...shall be permitted...la-de-da, la-de-da, etc. Contact township trustees, they're usually listed in front of local phone directory. Columbus area city, Worthington I beleive, has city regulations prohibiting apiaries. Generally, larger incorporated areas require landowners to eliminate feral colonies of all types of stinging insects with exemption for apiaries. Bees require water to re-hydrate food stores. The bees will likely use the pool water when no other source is readily accessible. You should provide a continuous fresh water source near the hive, a few feet or so. A shallow container with a few rocks above water level and gallon or more per day reservoir. This will not prevent every bee from visiting the adjacent pool but will help reduce the total number to what would be an acceptable level, say if it were a feral colony located within a mile or two. If you're concerned about personal liability re. bees on your property, contact a lawyer (preferably with county residence), especially if anyone in the immediate vicinity or their guests are know to be allergic to bee venom. Only an experienced practicing lawyer can properly instruct you on limiting your liability. The State of Ohio requires you register your hives regardless of the number, check with county USDA or contact county extension service. Registration is $5.00 for each apiary location, unlimited number of hives/location. The Ohio Beekeepers Association would be another good contact. Carl Central Ohio, USA Don Zickefoose wrote: > I have a township lot that is 50' wide, and 175' deep, the neighbors have a > swimming pool, my plan is to place my hives directly in my garden at the > corner of the lot ~60' from the neighbors swimming pool. > I live in Ohio. > Does anyone see any problems with getting started in this environment. > Thanks in advance. > > Richard Yarnell wrote in article > <6lh884$mer@ednet2.orednet.org>... > > > > In a previous article, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) says: > > > > >In article <357AB07F.88A3283E@sonic.net>, len@sonic.net says... > > > > >>How far from an "activity center" can a hive be placed for a family to > > >>to live comfortably? > > > > >You have replies that indicate you could have the hive in VERY close > proximity > > >to family activities. Though such is possible, don't do it. On the other > hand > > >don't worry. If you have an acre you are in good shape. > > > > Much smaller lots can provide safe and neighbor friendly sites. In > > addition to all the help you've received here, be sure to check with your > > local government to be sure you're in compliance with its rules. (In > > Portland, for example, the hives must be at least 25' from any > residential > > building and 50 feet from any public road or sidewalk.) > > > > _If_ someone should be injured by your bees (unlikely) and it is found > > they are not sited in accordance with local ordinances, you're much more > > likely to be found liable than you would be if you've sited your bees > with > > proper clearances, etc. > > -- > > > > Article 12851 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!udel-eecis!not-for-mail From: saunders@eecis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 11 Jun 1998 10:47:46 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware, Newark Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6loqmi$4sv$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6loien$ff$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: algol.cis.udel.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12851 In article <6loien$ff$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, Adam Finkelstein wrote: >,,, > >If one runs a listserv, one may specify whatever one wants, as far as >content guidelines-- as Aaron Morris has done with bee-l; ostensibly to >improve the effectiveness and utility of the listserv. "Censorship" really >isn't an applicable concept as the listserv is public and free--basically >one is "invited" to mail letters to bee-l: it doesn't exist for everyone's >innate use. > First of all, I have no problem with rhe running of bee-l. Aaron Morris' is doing a fine job there. In particular, based on his communication to me, I can say that my concern was unfounded that some individual would be excluded from bee-l just for being who he is. Secondly, it is clear that the on-topic principle that posts be "informed" is not applied as a filter. The only filter applied is that posts bee about bees. The term "informed" as used by Aaron should be construed as a healthy suggestion that we think twice before posting. However, the _concept_ of censorship certainly applies to moderated listservs. If ANY posts are filtered out (and thank goodness some are on bee-l), then the question of censorship can arise, censorship being the rejection of posts in a way that restricts free expression within the community the list serves. Since this is a non-issue regarding bee-l, I'll shut up now on this off-topic matter and go take a look at that colony that seems to have a bad case of chalkbrood. Cheers, -dave Article 12852 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Harvey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Hive sise Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 09:12:31 -0700 Organization: BCTEL Advanced Communications Lines: 5 Message-ID: <358001EE.E9ABA7EF@cyberdude.com> Reply-To: farmer@cyberdude.com NNTP-Posting-Host: kmlp01m02-75.bctel.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wli.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.vphos.net!news.bctel.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12852 Can anyone inform me if it would hurt to put all of my hive together at one time. I live in very warm area of BC temp aprox 25 to 30 cell. At present time my hive is three frames high and I would like to put three more on top. Thank you for any help you offer Article 12853 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Watkins Bee Meter Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:19:14 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897584976 nnrp-08:1104 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 12 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.wizvax.net!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12853 In article <357DF266.15B9@nbnet.nb.ca>, David McKinney writes >England and stamped Watkins Bee Meter in the center of the circle. Does >anyone know what purpose it has in relation to the bee-keeping industry >and its value? No relatiom to beekeeping. A friend of mine who is a retired chemist has a couple of them left over from the days he sold them in his shop. They are photographic exposure light meters. They came in a cardboard box with instructions. Value?? Whatever you can get. -- Tom Speight Article 12854 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsrelay.netins.net!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.idt.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!elrnd1.el.dow.com!165.216.8.37 From: "Lisa" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: 11 Jun 98 12:40:22 GMT Organization: DowElanco Lines: 27 Message-ID: <01bd9560$02232a60$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> <1998061112534500.IAA10376@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: elinet1.dowagro.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12854 Pollinator wrote in article <1998061112534500.IAA10376@ladder01.news.aol.com>... > From: "Beekeeper" > > < > One collected the green shells from walnuttree in the > autumn, if fall the nuts, hackled she and fills > therewith good lockable glass (best 1- liter glasses) > until short under the margin. The sum get then with firespirit > filled up and good airproof closed. I read this as filling the jar of husks with alcohol (firespirit). I see nothing about putting the jar in the sun? > > Is this to "cook" out a gas from the hulls? By "spirit" you mean gas? > > Or do you add water to make a solution? > Hope you can sort this out. Lisa Article 12855 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.clara.net!nnrp1.clara.net!not-for-mail From: dgraham@clara.takout.net (David Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe. Date: 11 Jun 1998 19:13:51 GMT Organization: Society of Clock Work Orange Opperatives (EC) Lines: 144 Message-ID: <09980511194536.OUI05.dgraham@clara.takout.net> Reply-To: dgraham@clara.takout.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.80.148 X-Newsreader: OUI PRO 1.5.0.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12855 TO E-MAIL REMOVE TAKOUT This paper was circulated in one of our national beekeeper journals for June this year. I have taken the liberty of posting it because of the interest and discussion which this subject generates and also in the hope that you may find it useful. I also hope that it may generate further positive comment and helpful discussion. All observations on this procedure/method will be much appreciated. Other methods of control ?prevention are very welcome. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Start ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe. This method has already been demonstrated on a video produced by Bayer, the manufacturer of Bayvarol. Formic Acid Treatment is the only treatment to date (apart from heat treatment) which kills the Varroa mite in the Brood cells. Heavy infestations on Varroasis found in German colonies during the summer are treated by a procedure which gives the beekeeper the opportunity to treat his/her bees immediately without contamination of honey harvest and hopefully save the bees by timely intervention. Using formic acid the treatment procedure is extremely simple but requires to be carried out methodically. Equipment required:- 1. A measure of 60% concentrated Formic acid (1 Litre) 2. Acid proof gloves. 3. Safety spectacles or goggles. 4. Suitable particle filter face mask. 5. Suitable piece of absorbent material (a square kitchen sponge will suffice) 6. Large bucket (2 gallon size) full of fresh water. 7. Brood box with floorboard sealed (foam rubber strip will suffice) and a 8. crownboard. 9. Spare brood box and a full complement of drawn brood combs. 10. Coloured drawing pins. Procedure 1. When Varroasis has been diagnosed in a colony nothing is done until early evening at which time the bees are subdued. 2. if the colony is not strong: Supers are removed and the bees are shaken from the frames in these supers in front of the hive. The bees will return to the brood box. 3. If the colony is very strong: All of the supers are removed and the bees shaken from the supers in front of the hive as in para 13. Another brood box filled out with drawn deep frames is placed on top of the original brood box with a queen excluder between the two brood chambers. 4. The honey supers are removed to a bee proof location. 5. The following day or as soon as possible after the above operations have been carried out a spare empty brood box is prepared by placing it on a floorboard with the entrance sealed and air tight (a strip of foam rubber or even a strip of rag will suffice!). 6. A crownboard is prepared such that it can be placed on top of this spare brood box to form a closed lid. This lid is sealed later using masking tape or some other similar adhesive strip. 7. The infected colony is subdued. 8. All of the brood combs in the brood nests are examined. 9. All combs in which most or all of the brood is sealed are identified. Coloured drawing pins are used to mark these combs. 10. All combs which contain mostly unsealed brood are also identified. 11. A suitable absorbent material is placed on the floorboard of the previously prepared empty spare brood box. 12. (a square domestic kitchen sponge is suitable). The following necessary precautions are taken:- A suitable mask, acid proof gloves and safety glasses are worn, and a bucket with fresh water is provided. (If at any time formic acid comes in contact with skin, wash copiously and immediately with fresh water.) When removing gloves after procedures involving formic acid, wash gloved hands completely in fresh water to remove all traces of formic acid from gloves before attempting to remove them.) 1. The absorbent material is soaked with 40ml of 60% (percent) formic acid, using a veterinarians syringe. 2. The crownboard is placed on spare brood box temporarily. 3. All the bees are shaken from the previously identified frames containing primarily sealed brood back into the parent hive. 4. Each frame of sealed brood without bees is placed into the spare brood box containing the formic acid pad. 5. When the brood box is full or all of the selected sealed brood frames are inserted, the crownboard is put in place and taped closed. Making the box airtight. 6. The box is left sitting in sunlight for 90 minutes, the ambient temperature being at least 15c on the day selected for the above procedures. The weather forecast is checked prior to the fumigation being done, forward planning makes it more possible to achieve the desired conditions. 1. After the fumigation exercise is completed the brood combs are replaced in any colony if more than one colony was treated. Gloves and other protection are still worn during this operation. Never be tempted to work with formic acid without suitable protection. 2. The procedure is repeated the following week, fumigating the combs in the infested hives which were identified as having primarily open brood at the previous inspection. The residual formic acid on the returned combs is said to be lethal to the adult mites in the infested colony and appears to go a long way to reducing the adult mite population sufficiently to give the colony the chance to prosper. The adult mite fall in the colonies is checked either weekly or daily as a matter of routine from then on, to plot the progress of any residual infestation. If after around 14 days from the final fumigation the mite fall is more than 5 mites per day the above described procedures are repeated. The supers are returned to the hives around two days after the fumigation is done in each case. Formic acid exists in honey naturally and is no longer viewed as a contaminant by the veterinary authorities in Europe. The dosage of formic acid has to be varied depending on ambient conditions and beekeeper experience. Read all you can about the mite and get to know it well. Only in this way will you be able to keep on top of the infestations which will be a continuous presence in your colonies from the initial find. +++++++++++++++++++ End +++++++++++++++++++ !N3 -- --------------------- From : David Graham On : 06/11/98 at 20:14 Brittish Summer Time Reply: sci.agriculture.beekeeping --------------------- >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << E-Mail: Only iff you must. Remove >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << --------------------- Article 12856 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 02:48:02 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6lq4op$auh$1@arlington.pe.net> References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem03ppp42.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12856 In article <0 An interesting suggestion, my friend! We have lots of walnut trees here in Heimat (Hemet) California and I know just when the walnuts are green. One important word you used which I did not understand is "firespirit". Is this the same thing as "mineral oil"? Your Friend; Peter Amschel Article 12857 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: New CONTEST for Beekeepers Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:00:17 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <358097fb.18792140@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.35.94 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.35.94 Lines: 38 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.35.94 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12857 NEW CONTEST DO NOT SUBMIT GUESSES TO THIS NEWS GROUP PLEASE! All you have to do is identify the beekeeping commodity that matches the price below. "Price: C&F LONG BEACH USD635.-/MT" Date of offer to sell 6.11.98 If you are new to international business I will help by translating. The net cost of the product delivered to the dock at the Port of Long Beach California is $635.00 (US dollars) a metric ton. If my math is right that's about .30 cents US a US pound but I will leave it for those who know to correct me. I added the date so no one gets the idea the quote is out of the past. The prize is yet to be determined, kind of depends on how fast someone identifies the product, but I guarantee there will be a prize for the winner. RULES> DO NOT SUBMIT YOUR GUESS TO THIS NEWS GROUP. You must log in to the OLd Drones web site and use one of the e-mail things there or use this address: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net In the future I will post a few clues maybe in one of my normal bombing runs to save band width. ttul, the OLd Drone Los Banos, California http://beenet.com/bnews.htm (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12858 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: adamshonco@aol.com (AdamsHonCo) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida Lines: 5 Message-ID: <1998061203283700.XAA18923@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1998 03:28:37 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12858 These little buggers are for real. I was at a meeting wed. with the inspectors and other beekeepers to see first hand what they look like and do. It remains to be seen if they will be a problem or if they are just product of our wet and warm winter we had. Article 12859 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: Jack Kassinger Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 23:29:46 -0400 Organization: Micron Electronics, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3580A0AA.C8A4F050@ix.netcom.com> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> Reply-To: jack18@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: bin-ny1-12.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Thu Jun 11 10:32:37 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12859 I made one by cutting a 6" circle in a regular inner cover and stapleing screen to both sides of the cover. JACK Lisa wrote: > I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two > sreens separated enough that the bees on one side cannot touch the bees on > the other side. You can put this between two hives to keep the bees > separate but still make them think it is one hive. It also can have an > entrance cut into one side. > > Can anyone tell me where I can purchase one that would fit a standard > Langstroth hive OR where I can find plans to build one? > > Thanks > Lisa Article 12860 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.102.31.251!news.cmc.net!news.efn.org!not-for-mail From: Ray Wiebke Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bumble bees on the back porch Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 01:25:19 -0700 Organization: Oregon Public Networking Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3580E5EF.64194964@efn.org> Reply-To: raywie@efn.org NNTP-Posting-Host: dynip03.efn.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12860 We have a couple of bumble bees building a hive on our back porch and need info on the best way to move them. We have an old robe that the cats use for a bed with a deer hide laying on top of that. Appearently the bubblebees thuough that made the ideal location to start a hive. I am nearly completely ignorant on the subject of bees. Since there is such a problem with mites in western Oregon, we don't want to disturb ANY hives. Thanks For the spammers: don't forget to include these people: Fraud Watch: fraudinfo@psinet.com Federal Trade Commission: consumerline@ftc.gov ACCC: sweep.day@accc.gov.au Oh, and while you're at it, here's a taste of your own medicine! admin@loopback $LOGIN@localhost $LOGNAME@localhost $USER@localhost $USER@$HOST -h1024@localhost root@mailloop.com Article 12861 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!frankfurt.de.uu.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!lovesgrove.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Mark Harries" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: VARROACIDE Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:05:11 GMT Organization: Lovesgrove Research Limited Message-ID: <01bd95f1$fbe9c360$0400a8c0@mark> NNTP-Posting-Host: lovesgrove.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: lovesgrove.demon.co.uk:193.237.50.127 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897649511 nnrp-08:19644 NO-IDENT lovesgrove.demon.co.uk:193.237.50.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 7 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12861 Can anyone give me any infomation about the bioassay method by which Bayer tested their Varroacide Bayvarol during laboratory tests and field trial work? A reference to a journal will be just as good. Thanks Mark Harries Article 12862 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!lovesgrove.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Mark Harries" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Honey Bee larval and pupal stages Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:17:28 GMT Organization: Lovesgrove Research Limited Message-ID: <01bd95f3$7a4b7900$0400a8c0@mark> NNTP-Posting-Host: lovesgrove.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: lovesgrove.demon.co.uk:193.237.50.127 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897650248 nnrp-02:24472 NO-IDENT lovesgrove.demon.co.uk:193.237.50.127 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 8 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12862 Determining the exact larval and pupal stage of Honey bee worker and drone brood can be a headache for the newcomer to bee keeping. I,m wondering is there a fool proof method, perhaps even an illustrated reference published to help? Any infomation gratefully recieved. Thankyou Mark Harries Article 12863 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.idt.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: waterop@usit.net (Elizabeth Eck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 12:23:54 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <35811d50.2085726@news.usit.net> References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Reply-To: waterop@usit.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.194.171.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12863 >OK. Question.....What do you reckon the chances are of one of these bees >passing on this information, so that a future swarm may be *aware* of a >potential new home? 50/50 I have tried that same thing and about half the time it works. -James Article 12864 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357fd805.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <35811d50.2085726@news.usit.net> Subject: Re: Filling an empty hive (Conjecture!) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:47:30 +0100 Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-54.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35812e70.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!newsin.iconnet.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.clara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-54.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12864 Elizabeth Eck wrote in message <35811d50.2085726@news.usit.net>... > >>OK. Question.....What do you reckon the chances are of one of these bees >>passing on this information, so that a future swarm may be *aware* of a >>potential new home? > >50/50 > >I have tried that same thing and about half the time it works. > >-James I am pleased to hear that! Because I actually thought it might be nearer to 1 or 2%..........! Are you in an area where there are a lot of hives, though, or only a few? Which might make a big difference...... -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12865 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Inporting bugs $ bees Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 16:30:59 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <358155f5.35431000@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.38 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.38 Lines: 63 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.38 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12865 At 09:28 AM 6/12/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Concerning the Hornfaced Bees, I wonder why it is allowed to import/ >study/release the Hornfaced bees in light of the STRINGENT controls >there are on importation of genetic apis material (eggs and sperm, let >alone the actually bees)? The regulations on importation of bees and other insect pests are for you and I, not the government so they bring in what they want when they want. I suspect this is because the US government is make up of cells, now called committees and beekeepers do not work well in cells. Why, because we beekeepers who work everyday with bees all our lives are not equal to government bureaucrats in bugology or beeology and we would bring in bad bees and bugs. All should know that by now as it is the same with the beekeepers use of farm chemicals and that is why we pay maybe 1000% more to have them dosed out to us. We beekeepers can not even be depended on in choosing what stock we would import if we could as this is all handled by committee at the highest level of government. Some say ALgore heads it. There is a roomer that those beekeepers who have slept in Lincoln's bed do have some input but I am also told the last beekeeper who slept in Lincoln's bed did so when Lincoln's was still alive and out of town. Actually there has been many recent confirmed illegal importations of bees and these are the one's that are bringing us the four horseman of beekeeping; disease, pests, predictors, and bee regulators. The last being the fatal one. Most of these importations are man aided, at least in their mode of transportation when they come in by sea and the rest are "wet back" bees who fly across boarders not swim. Nobody has explained why in all these years the good bees always stay at home and obey all international boarder regulations. >Is this not a double standard (rhetorical >question) but I would like to know the reasons for this double standard. >Anyone know? Yes, its the law and the law was written with the above in mind and to protect you from your dumb neighbor who keeps bees and whom you do not know other then he know's nothing about beekeeping. Beekeepers are not mature enough even to use the best government scientist selected stock. This is a near quote from someone big in bee science I will not name as I don't want to start a food fight in this group or have you spit up your pop on the keyboard. Lucky for the beekeepers this person is now retired but we still have to live with the books produced while he was on the public payroll. ttul, the OLd Drone http://beenet.com BTW. The commodity in the BIG SILLY contest is not HONEY, thank GOD for that and this message may contain other clues. It also was not a large inportation of Bee Sperm. (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12866 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!paralynx!paralynx-1!uniserve!not-for-mail From: Frank Curtis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Sting Information Needed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:28:13 -0700 Organization: Golden Valley Foods Ltd. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: abb2d43.dial.uniserve.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12866 We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? (We have no lives...) Article 12867 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.wli.net!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: splitting hive - finding queen Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 19:03:36 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6lru28$794$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357ED1E2.33173819@mines.edu> <6lnh63$rjj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <01bd9525$4533e780$cf003dce@pettyben> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.35 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 12 19:03:36 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12867 In article <01bd9525$4533e780$cf003dce@pettyben>, "petty" wrote: > > what is a "protected cell: and what are Top Bar Cell Protectors? sorry for not elucidating on that to start with - "protected cell" = a grafted queen cell in a cell protector "Top Bar Cell Protectors" = JZ's BZ's Top Bar (queen) Cell Protectors (available a variety of supply places including from Jim Paysen himself [Tyler, TX] and also from Mann Lake to mention but two) - Jim (JZ's BZ's) offers two types of cell protectors - one is a push-in cell protector with barbed prongs to "push into the comb" down in the middle of the cluster (when it is cool) and the other one that SAVES TIME BY THE BUSHEL (what do you mean they don't measure time in bushels?) is the TOP BAR CELL PROTECTOR (use when it is warm enough ya don't worry about bees clustering nor brood chilling if left out of hive a spell). The Top Bar Cell Protector is designed to fit betwixt the top bars - requiring thusly NOT ONE frame to be removed to plant a cell. How fast can cells be planted thata way, you ask? Me and a FL beekeeper friend's son that I work well with once planted 154 cells in 35 minutes from the time we stopped the truck at the yard to the time we got in the truck to leave the yard - yep including time to start the smoker (1-2 minutes) and for me to slip my veil on (he don't often wear one - a genetic tendency methinks as his Pa don't neither). A bit of calculation will tell you that with 70 man minutes (35 X 2 men) invested in cell planting 154 splits on 6 way pallets that we together spent .45 man minutes (27.27 man seconds) per split planting cells (smoking, de- lidding, planting cell, re-lidding). I will grant you we were pushed for time due to losing light rapidly along with it being in the cooler part of the day not when it was sweltering hot - nevertheless it would have taken A LOT longer had we needed to pull a frame to plant a cell. Hope that answers your questions, Jack Griffes http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes/ -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12868 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:42:08 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 214 Message-ID: <6lrsq0$56s$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.35 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Jun 12 18:42:08 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12868 Some more info courtesy of BeeBreed & BEE-L Best wishes, Jack Griffes ========================= ========================= From: JIM BACH Subject: Hive beetle Gard Otis and all: Garth in South Africa mentioned the beetle on BEE-L so I asked him to provide us with some information. He did some literature search and also provided us with some of his own experience as follows: From: Garth to: BEE-L Subject: Information on hive beetles Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 11:28 AM Hi Troy, James and All: I have just made a trip across to our library (not far actually) and have had a scratch around for some preliminary bits and pieces about the hive beetles. Lundies original paper describing it is at present being repacked due to the amalgamation of one of our satellite libraries but once I find it I will type it out if possible. This is what two other old books have to say. Frank Mays book, 'Beekeeping, including Honey for Health' 1969 says the following: "The Small Hive Beetles (Aethina tumida Murr.), so called to distinguish it from the larger and harmless beetles (Hyplostoma fuligineus) which is often found in beehives in South Africa (SA), appears everywhere in all parts in the tropical and sub-tropical regions of Africa. In SA the insect appears more commonly in the warm regions. Andrew Murray gave this beetle a name in 1867, but it was Dr. A.E. Lundie, an SA entomologist, who in 1940 wrote the first treatise about the beetle as a bee plague. Like wax moths, the larvae of the hive beetle mostly causes trouble in weak colonies and in stored combs, but the plague is really not serious. "Although some of the beetles are light brown when they creep out of the ground most of them are black by the third day. These insects generally fly within the first week of their lives to the beehive. They are found in any place in the hive, but they have a preference mainly for the back part of the floor of the hive. Perhaps this is because they are less disturbed by the field bees. The female beetles lay their eggs in regular small heaps in or upon the bee-bread in the combs or in the cells nearby. (Interjection - I recall somebody mentioned on the list that they saw something like this?) The eggs are pearly white, arch-shaped and look almost like those of the honey bees, but are somewhat smaller - about two thirds as large. They hatch out within two or three days. Within ten to sixteen days the larvae are full grown and they migrate to small holes in the ground. If the hive is much infected the migratory hordes trail stain the hive badly. Within three to four weeks the adult beetles appear. "The larvae cannot live only on pure honey but also on bee bread, or pollen and honey. The honey on which the larvae gorge becomes thinner and begins to ferment and smells almost like rotten oranges. As the fermentation advances the foaming honey drips upon the hive-floor and if the plague is very severe it runs out through the hive entrance. "If the entrance of the hive becomes blocked, or the hive slopes slightly towards the back, the fermenting mass forms a layer an inch or more thick on the floor. The larvae in this case become so smeared with fermented honey that they looked slimy and revolting and stain everything over which they crawl. "Severely polluted combs which were stored can also be treated with carbon bisulphide (that must stink!!) or paradichlorobenzene - in the same way as for wax moths. Inspect the combs every three weeks. Combs which are slightly infected can be given to strong colonies so that the bees can clean them. Never give them more than two such combs per colony. If the combs are badly infected they must first be cleaned with water under pressure-a garden hose (this would I guess be only good for old combs - Garth) before being given to colonies for cleaning. It rarely happens that the bees succeed in completely ridding a hive of beetles but they are highly successful in removing the larvae from the combs. "According to Dr. Lundie the small hive beetle reacts more quickly to carbolic acid fumes than the bees. They rush out of every opening and crevice in the hive when sensing the acid fumes and can then be killed. This is the only known way of killing them." (at this time - Garth) End of quote That is all that the book had to say. Will scratch around in SABJ a bit and some other books I have at home as well. I hope that helps. Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa After careful consideration, I have decided that if I am ever a V.I.P the I. may not stand for important. (rather - influential, ignorant, idiotic, intellectual, ill-advised, etc.) ---------- From: Garth To: BEE-L Subject: Re: tips for beetles Date: Thursday, June 11, 1998 12:09 PM Hi All: I remembered that I had not answered the post from James yesterday asking about my own tips for the small hive beetle. Firstly - the beetle is a little black thing about the size of the bees abdomen. It has a shiny waxy look. The larvae are light brown/cream things with a brown dot on their nose/anterior end (or whatever it is). They wiggle a lot and can stand heat up to about 80C (176F.) for quite a while - probably an adaptation to breed in fire vacated brood which would not burn because of its moisture content (in veldt fires). A frame gone wrong yields about three to four cups of larvae - I have no idea how the beetle can lay so many eggs - if queens were like that they would be incredible. I believe that a hive beetle infestation is a sign of sloppy beekeeping. (leaving beetle food in places where bees cannot defend them) The article I quoted recently did not mention that the beetles will eat brood. I have found that a hive beetle infestation is most dramatic when they get into the brood. The beetles hide in empty cells in the honey storage area. Very seldom do you find them where the article I quoted says. Usually they are at the top of the super - bees that try to get them out probably supply sugar when they 'lick' the things. If it gets cold they will take advantage of this and lay eggs in uncovered brood. I have had light infestations after cold snaps recently on some hives that I had overfed. I think the bees could not keep the whole brood area warm and the beetles came in and zapped the unprotected brood cells. The larvae then stay underneath the brood capping and are conveniently warmed by the bees while they tunnel around trashing the frame. This can be quite a problem but the bees will usually find it. The main danger is if you have a strong pollen flow and a strong nectar flow. The bees put pollen and nectar in the supers, the bees put nectar over the pollen, and then seal in the eggs which have been laid - and then one has a problem as the bees don't constantly guard the interior of supers and the thing can theoretically get out of control as described in the article. I have tried trapping the beetles by leaving brood out in a pot and then boiling it when larvae were visible. The honey guides loved it but I think it hardly made a dent on the population. The beetles are also surprisingly heat tolerant. The beetles can, I believe, lower honey yields as they take up bee time. House bees are assigned to keeping guard over cornered beetles. You will see them trapping a beetle in observation hives. I have seen as many as five bees guarding one beetle. The beetles hide in the gaps between frames as well. Then the bees propolize the frames making it difficult to get them out. If I see too many beetles in a hive I try to lower the amount of available comb space. Feeding also helps reduce the problem (as long as one does not cause the hive to over expand). The bees cannot remove live beetles interestingly enough - they don't seem to be able to grip the things which are very smooth and shiny. I have also found that if one tries to strap (tie) brood (comb) into frames when doing removals, it often leads to beetle problems as while the bees are all disturbed the beetles sneak in and lay eggs in the brood. (Hence I don't do this.) I believe that bad beekeeping practices, like leaving dead brood around and also leaving pollen filled supers around, can be a problem. Once enough beetle larvae are in a frame it disintegrates into a very warm moosh - at this point the things seem to be able to appear overnight and can destroy a super in three days. In my area we have a problem with short sighted 'bee keepers' who basically charge people money to kill bees in problem places. These hives then multiply the natural population of beetles as there are hundreds of kilograms of unguarded brood. As a result I am forced to do free bee removals so that most of these removals will come to me and then I can stop this multiplication of beetles which spread out to my hives around town. Finally I have also noticed that the beetles can survive in a solar wax extractor over short periods - if one is in an area with frequent cold fronts, it means that they can get a cycle through quite easily (and a lot faster than that article says). Hope this is of help. Keep well Garth Garth Cambray Camdini Apiaries Grahamstown Apis mellifera capensis Eastern Cape Prov. South Africa -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12869 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: tomas mozer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 03:52:49 -0700 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 4 Message-ID: <35810881.713E@juno.com> References: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> <1998061203283700.XAA18923@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.27.70.227 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897679480 OCZ7E7JIA46E3D11BC usenet88.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-BSNET (Win16; U) To: AdamsHonCo Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12869 check out the pest alert at: http://extlab1.entnem.ufl.edu/PestAlert/mct-0612.htm Article 12870 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa in Ireland Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:15:06 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6ls2d4$gj41@kirk.tinet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: p30.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12870 The Irish television news has stated that varroa has been confirmed in the North West of Ireland. Standstill orders have been placed on hives in Counties Sligo and Mayo. I think all Irish beekeepers will appreciate whatever help and advice can be given from those who are already dealing with this pest. Ruary Rudd Article 12871 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repost: Attention all Wisconsin Beekeepers Lines: 18 Message-ID: <1998061222340200.SAA11937@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1998 22:34:02 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998060716585400.MAA07692@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12871 Good luck on your survey. I don't know if you are aware of the Northwest Pollinator Survey (now in its eleventh year) conducted by Dr. Michael Buregett at Oregon State University Bee Lab. The last two surveys are avaiable at http://members.aol.com/beetools You might also want to track down a copy of a similar survey now conducted by the California Beekeepers Association's Kevin Roberts of Hollister CA. The Northwest survey forms have been mailed to over 350 Northwest beekeepers each year. If you can get a listing of the beekeepers in your area from your state association of the local clubs, you might get a better data base. This type of data is very important and beekeepers should be encouraged to participant. Wouldn't be nice to have similar data from the 50s, 60s, 70s, & 80s? Good luck Ron Bennett Luckiamute Bee Article 12872 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 23:00:54 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6lsbqs$7ep$4@victoria.pe.net> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem02ppp01.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12872 Unfortunately for the bee, a decision to sting is a decision to die. In article <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com>, Frank Curtis wrote: >We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself >after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed >or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed >in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? > >(We have no lives...) > Article 12873 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beetools@aol.com (Beetools) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Lines: 16 Message-ID: <1998061222505500.SAA18031@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 12 Jun 1998 22:50:55 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <357BE761.4DA1@juno.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12873 There was research done on reusing Apistan strips by Jim Bach who was State Apirist for Washington State. The report on his results (basically that reuse, even sanded strips, was ineffiective) was first published two years ago in the newsletter of the Washington State Beekeepers Association. I republished the same article (with Jim's kind permission) shortly folowing in the BeeLine, the newsletter of the Oregon State Beekeepers Association. On Jack Griffes' comment on dealers breaking up a 100 strips pack to sell smaller quanities, most dealers won't do it because its agianst the law (Federal EPA regs.) and not worth the penalities if caught. As a dealer for this stuff (10 pack @ $21.50 and 100 pack @ $175). Most dealers get no pleasure (and VERY LITTLE PROFIT) on Apistan. Don't get me started on Wellmark and Apistan pricing... It's only four distributors that are making the big bucks off of beekeepers on this stuff. Ron Bennett, Luckiamute Bee Article 12874 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> <6lsbqs$7ep$4@victoria.pe.net> Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 00:06:54 +0100 Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-21.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <3581a713.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-21.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12874 Peter Amschel wrote in message <6lsbqs$7ep$4@victoria.pe.net>... >Unfortunately for the bee, a decision to sting is a decision to die. > >In article <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com>, Frank Curtis > wrote: >>We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself >>after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed >>or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed >>in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? >> >>(We have no lives...) >> If they sting a human, an animal with particularly tough skin, it is nearly impossible for a bee to remove its sting, though it 'sometimes' happens, but with some animals, their skin is (relatively) weak enough for the bee to pull out and live to sting another day. eg. I had a dog, I saw him being stung on the nose, and the bee flew off, unharmed. The dog never went near the beehive again! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12875 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!la-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!newsfeed.slip.net!news.slip.net!not-for-mail From: Rasputin Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarm hived today, have questions... Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 18:18:15 +0000 Organization: Slip.Net (http://www.slip.net) Lines: 30 Message-ID: <358170E4.57A1@bar.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ip147.medford.or.pub-ip.psi.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12875 Well what a way to learn for the first time! Actually I'm sure it pales in comparison to other people's experience, but anyway, I captured a swarm in a big pine tree today. It took me a few tries, the first two times they just immediately flew right back into the tree, but the last attempt seemed to be it. I got a large number of bees in the hive body, with the rest around it on the plastic sheet I laid down. The hive is still under the pine tree, and bees are filing into it. I gave them some sugar water using a boardman feeder, and have put frames in the box. Now, this is not the location I want the hive at... what do I do now? When should I move them? Should I wait until dusk when they are all in? Or should I just do it now? When I do move them, what else will encourage them to stay? Do I need to reduce the entrance for a while? Should I grab a frame of honey from another hive and give it to them? Any advice is much appreciated. It was a thrill hiving them and now I want them to be very happy in their new home. :) Cheers, Rebecca Bateman ruhue@hoatzin.com Article 12876 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mv.net!not-for-mail From: Virtual Mountain Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: request for bee pollen trap plans Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:39:21 -0400 Organization: MV Communications Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3581D849.22727D2B@virtualmountain.mv.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: bnh-4-36.mv.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12876 I've looking for any bee pollen trap plans, and would appreciaete any info or pointers to them. Much thanks! Bruce Article 12877 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!dca1-hub1.news.digex.net!digex!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Dugan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:11:49 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <3581FC05.7487@usit.net> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup50.tnjoh.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12877 Frank Curtis wrote: > > We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself > after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed > or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed > in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? > > (We have no lives...) I have no first-hand knowledge, but I've read that bees can remove their stingers with ease from, for instance, wasps, bumblebees, and similar insects with the insect-like "skin", which is not "rubbery" like mammal skin, and so does not grab the stinger. Article 12878 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!News.Ottawa.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!gollum.kingston.net!not-for-mail From: Kent Stienburg Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa in Ireland Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 22:33:28 -0700 Organization: InterNet Kingston Lines: 17 Message-ID: <35820F28.6C73@kingston.net> References: <6ls2d4$gj41@kirk.tinet.ie> Reply-To: beeman@kingston.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 76-g1.kingston.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.03 (Win16; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12878 Ruary Rudd wrote: > > The Irish television news has stated that varroa has been confirmed in the > North West of Ireland. > > Standstill orders have been placed on hives in Counties Sligo and Mayo. > > I think all Irish beekeepers will appreciate whatever help and advice can be > given from those who are already dealing with this pest. > > Ruary Rudd They only have to ask. Unfortunatly there are many of use with experience dealing with them. Kent Stienburg Article 12879 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Apistan Effectiveness Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:05:13 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6lsq99$omh$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BE761.4DA1@juno.com> <1998061222505500.SAA18031@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 13 03:05:13 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12879 In article <1998061222505500.SAA18031@ladder01.news.aol.com>, beetools@aol.com (Beetools) wrote: > On Jack Griffes' comment on dealers breaking up a 100 strips pack to sell > smaller quanities, most dealers won't do it because its agianst the law > (Federal EPA regs.) and not worth the penalities if caught. Of course don't get me started on all the blooming "hog-tie sensibility" regulations either. Sometimes I think it requires prior approval if ya need to sneeze these days. Can someone please tell me what "the code" says about that? I feel a sneeze coming on in a week so I best apply for a permit now methinks. Yours for LIBERTY, Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12880 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 03:13:37 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6lsqp1$pdc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> <6lsbqs$7ep$4@victoria.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.36 X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Jun 13 03:13:37 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12880 In article <6lsbqs$7ep$4@victoria.pe.net>, amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) wrote: > > Unfortunately for the bee, a decision to sting is a decision to die. While it is most generally true that IF the WORKER bee is stinging a "leathery skinned" mammal the barbs are liable to get caught and cause the "sting" to be pulled out of the worker causing its eventual but not immediate death. Yet you can get "ticked" (slightly stung) and have the worker pull it out. Also when stinging other insects (bees, wasps for example) it is NOT normal for even a worker to loose her sting via so doing. And the queen can sting a person (though she is not very inclined to do so) and pull her much smoother stinger out with no problem. Jack Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12881 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Lines: 7 Message-ID: <1998061304002900.AAA24363@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 13 Jun 1998 04:00:29 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <6lq4op$auh$1@arlington.pe.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12881 I believe the man is making a walnut hull tincture much in the same fashion as a cabinetmaker would make natural stain to color in sap streaks in a walnut board. Walnut contains a chemical that protects it from decay and attack called juglone. My guess is that fire spirit is very strong grain alcohol. Article 12882 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: mejensen@att.net (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:07:45 GMT Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> Reply-To: mejensen@att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.4.80 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12882 My bees tell me saunders@eecis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders) wrote: >In article <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, >Aaron Morris wrote: >>... >> >>Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. >>Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are >>no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! >> > >I'm sorry, but that last sentence DOES look like censorship! Is it true that Elroy Rogers has been kicked off the BEE-L? If that is true, Aaron Morris, then you are guilty of a very unwelcome act of censorship. He and Pedro Rodriguez are the two most valuable sources of mineral oil treatment information, and their posts are far more important to me and I suspect most others on the list than anything that you might post. You are deluded if you think that the BEE-L has become a better forum with your censorship. All you will accomplish by that form of censorship is the decline of BEE-L and increase in importance of sci.agriculture.beekeeping. -- Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mejensen@att.net Los Altos Hills California fax 650 941-3488 Article 12883 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!ais.net!ais.net!jamie!WCG!news.airnews.net!cabal12.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Busy Knight" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: New CONTEST for Beekeepers Date: 13 Jun 1998 13:01:31 GMT Organization: Airnews! at Internet America Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6924E84A01F2D56B.30B025E1CDB15D2E.44A5B479C801471E@library-proxy.airnews.net> X-Orig-Message-ID: <01bd96cb$77ea1940$5b3488cf@larryfar> References: <358097fb.18792140@news.jps.net> Abuse-Reports-To: abuse at airmail.net to report improper postings NNTP-Proxy-Relay: librarytest.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Sat Jun 13 08:01:31 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: c\OD^+Bl.F%+TMKB (Encoded at Airnews!) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12883 >DO NOT SUBMIT GUESSES TO THIS NEWS GROUP PLEASE! God, I love "breaking rules".... > "Price: C&F LONG BEACH USD635.-/MT" Date of offer to sell 6.11.98 > The net cost of the product...is $635.00 (US dollars) a metric ton. Letme guess: the cost of new, fresh Apistan Strips ???? Article 12884 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1.swip.net!swipnet!masternews.telia.net!News.Amsterdam.UnisourceCS!newspeer.te.net!news1.tinet.ie!newsmaster@tinet.ie From: "Ruary Rudd" <@tinet.ie> Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Varroa in Ireland Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 14:27:26 +0100 Organization: Westgate, waterville Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6ltusp$gj418@kirk.tinet.ie> References: <6ls2d4$gj41@kirk.tinet.ie> <35820F28.6C73@kingston.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p40.tralee1.tinet.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12884 Kent Stienburg wrote in message <35820F28.6C73@kingston.net>... >They only have to ask. Unfortunatly there are many of use with >experience dealing with them. > >Kent Stienburg As the time of discovery of the infestation in the Country is just before the main honey flow am I right in thinking that Bayvarrol is ruled out as it would contaminate the honey? Does the same thing hold with Apistan? Is the only method of diagnosis during the period of honey production the use of a Varroa screen? If infestation is found would the advice be to use liquid paraffin ( FGMO) until the fall and then use Apistan or Bayvarrol? Is it worth while sing FGMO as a prophylactic and if do should the dosage be by oiled insert or by wick from a storage bottle? Thanks in advance for any help which might be forthcoming. Ruary Rudd rrudd@tinet.ie Article 12885 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.enteract.com!news.enteract.com!not-for-mail From: Barry Birkey Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 10:07:51 -0600 Organization: BIRKEY.COM Lines: 91 Message-ID: <3582A3C5.812DAA1@Birkey.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: Barry@Birkey.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.229.172.37 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 (Macintosh; I; PPC) To: mejensen@att.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12885 Mark Jensen wrote: > saunders@eecis.udel.edu (Dave Saunders) wrote: > > >In article <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu>, > >Aaron Morris wrote: > >>... > >> > >>Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. > >>Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are > >>no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! > >> > > > >I'm sorry, but that last sentence DOES look like censorship! > > Is it true that Elroy Rogers has been kicked off the BEE-L? If that is > true, Aaron Morris, then you are guilty of a very unwelcome act of > censorship. He and Pedro Rodriguez are the two most valuable sources of > mineral oil treatment information, and their posts are far more > important to me and I suspect most others on the list than anything that > you might post. You are deluded if you think that the BEE-L has become a > better forum with your censorship. All you will accomplish by that form > of censorship is the decline of BEE-L and increase in importance of > sci.agriculture.beekeeping. > -- > Mark Jensen Double J Apiaries mejensen@att.net > Los Altos Hills California fax 650 941-3488 Mark - Isn't this a bit over reacting? Before you go tearing into Aaron Morris and Bee-L, it might be wise to first get a response to your first question. Perhaps Elroy can give the answer to it! He ought to know how he left Bee-L. Aaron just posted here the 6 reasons why someone's post would be rejected on Bee-L. I can't find a single reason why anyone would have a problem with these basic rules for posting to the list. After all, the list doesn't belong to you or me. You could always start your own List if you would like and you're always free to use this public forum if you need to exercise your right to do one of those 6 items that are rejected on Bee-L. I find it interesting that you infer Mr. Rogers and Dr. Rodriguez are no longer on Bee-L because of "censorship" and the result will be an "increase in importance of sci.agriculture.beekeeping." My question to this is, where is Dr. Rodriguez on this newsgroup? You tie the two men together but I don't think Dr. Rodriguez shares your assumptions. I have been in contact with Dr. Rodriguez over the last year or so and value his work and efforts with mineral oil. He left Bee-L on his own this spring and I'm sure he's very busy with his work now. If it was an issue of censorship that caused him to leave Bee-L then why is he not posting to this newsgroup? I think he's busy and I bet he'll be back on Bee-L later this year with more information about work done this summer along with others who are working with FGMO this year. I am not working with FGMO yet because I have yet to see an acceptable method for applying MO to the hive. In fact this is one of the things that Dr. Rodriguez told me he was working on this summer. If you haven't been on Bee-L for awhile, I would suggest you try it again and see if your allegations are true and then report back to this newsgroup your findings. Aaron can speak for himself on this matter, I don't want to put words in his mouth. Regards, -Barry -- Barry Birkey Illinois, USA Article 12886 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.clara.net!nnrp1.clara.net!not-for-mail From: dgraham@clara.takout.net (David Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe Date: 13 Jun 1998 17:56:39 GMT Organization: Society of Clock Work Orange Opperatives (EC) Lines: 143 Message-ID: <09980513185616.OUI38.dgraham@clara.takout.net> Reply-To: dgraham@clara.takout.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.80.75 X-Newsreader: OUI PRO 1.5.0.2 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12886 This paper was circulated in one of our national beekeeper journals for June this year. I have taken the liberty of posting it because of the interest and discussion which this subject generates and also in the hope that you may find it useful. I also hope that it may generate further positive comment and helpful discussion. All observations on this procedure/method will be much appreciated. Other methods of control ?prevention are very welcome. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Start ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe. This method has already been demonstrated on a video produced by Bayer, the manufacturer of Bayvarol. Formic Acid Treatment is the only treatment to date (apart from heat treatment) which kills the Varroa mite in the Brood cells. Heavy infestations on Varroasis found in German colonies during the summer are treated by a procedure which gives the beekeeper the opportunity to treat his/her bees immediately without contamination of honey harvest and hopefully save the bees by timely intervention. Using formic acid the treatment procedure is extremely simple but requires to be carried out methodically. Equipment required:- 1. A measure of 60% concentrated Formic acid (1 Litre) 2. Acid proof gloves. 3. Safety spectacles or goggles. 4. Suitable particle filter face mask. 5. Suitable piece of absorbent material (a square kitchen sponge will suffice) 6. Large bucket (2 gallon size) full of fresh water. 7. Brood box with floorboard sealed (foam rubber strip will suffice) and a 8. crownboard. 9. Spare brood box and a full complement of drawn brood combs. 10. Coloured drawing pins. Procedure 1. When Varroasis has been diagnosed in a colony nothing is done until early evening at which time the bees are subdued. 2. if the colony is not strong: Supers are removed and the bees are shaken from the frames in these supers in front of the hive. The bees will return to the brood box. 3. If the colony is very strong: All of the supers are removed and the bees shaken from the supers in front of the hive as in para 13. Another brood box filled out with drawn deep frames is placed on top of the original brood box with a queen excluder between the two brood chambers. 4. The honey supers are removed to a bee proof location. 5. The following day or as soon as possible after the above operations have been carried out a spare empty brood box is prepared by placing it on a floorboard with the entrance sealed and air tight (a strip of foam rubber or even a strip of rag will suffice!). 6. A crownboard is prepared such that it can be placed on top of this spare brood box to form a closed lid. This lid is sealed later using masking tape or some other similar adhesive strip. 7. The infected colony is subdued. 8. All of the brood combs in the brood nests are examined. 9. All combs in which most or all of the brood is sealed are identified. Coloured drawing pins are used to mark these combs. 10. All combs which contain mostly unsealed brood are also identified. 11. A suitable absorbent material is placed on the floorboard of the previously prepared empty spare brood box. 12. (a square domestic kitchen sponge is suitable). The following necessary precautions are taken:- A suitable mask, acid proof gloves and safety glasses are worn, and a bucket with fresh water is provided. (If at any time formic acid comes in contact with skin, wash copiously and immediately with fresh water.) When removing gloves after procedures involving formic acid, wash gloved hands completely in fresh water to remove all traces of formic acid from gloves before attempting to remove them.) 1. The absorbent material is soaked with 40ml of 60% (percent) formic acid, using a veterinarians syringe. 2. The crownboard is placed on spare brood box temporarily. 3. All the bees are shaken from the previously identified frames containing primarily sealed brood back into the parent hive. 4. Each frame of sealed brood without bees is placed into the spare brood box containing the formic acid pad. 5. When the brood box is full or all of the selected sealed brood frames are inserted, the crownboard is put in place and taped closed. Making the box airtight. 6. The box is left sitting in sunlight for 90 minutes, the ambient temperature being at least 15c on the day selected for the above procedures. The weather forecast is checked prior to the fumigation being done, forward planning makes it more possible to achieve the desired conditions. 1. After the fumigation exercise is completed the brood combs are replaced in any colony if more than one colony was treated. Gloves and other protection are still worn during this operation. Never be tempted to work with formic acid without suitable protection. 2. The procedure is repeated the following week, fumigating the combs in the infested hives which were identified as having primarily open brood at the previous inspection. The residual formic acid on the returned combs is said to be lethal to the adult mites in the infested colony and appears to go a long way to reducing the adult mite population sufficiently to give the colony the chance to prosper. The adult mite fall in the colonies is checked either weekly or daily as a matter of routine from then on, to plot the progress of any residual infestation. If after around 14 days from the final fumigation the mite fall is more than 5 mites per day the above described procedures are repeated. The supers are returned to the hives around two days after the fumigation is done in each case. Formic acid exists in honey naturally and is no longer viewed as a contaminant by the veterinary authorities in Europe. The dosage of formic acid has to be varied depending on ambient conditions and beekeeper experience. Read all you can about the mite and get to know it well. Only in this way will you be able to keep on top of the infestations which will be a continuous presence in your colonies from the initial find. +++++++++++++++++++ End +++++++++++++++++++ !N3 -- --------------------- From : David Graham On : 06/13/98 at 18:57 Brittish Summer Time Reply: sci.agriculture.beekeeping --------------------- >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << E-Mail: Only iff you must. Remove >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << --------------------- Article 12887 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <358170E4.57A1@bar.com> Subject: Re: Swarm hived today, have questions... Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 08:12:17 +0100 Lines: 67 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35821fc9.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-32.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12887 Rasputin wrote in message <358170E4.57A1@bar.com>... >Well what a way to learn for the first time! >Actually I'm sure it pales in comparison to other >people's experience, but anyway, I captured a swarm >in a big pine tree today. > >It took me a few tries, the first two times they >just immediately flew right back into the tree, >but the last attempt seemed to be it. I got a large >number of bees in the hive body, with the rest around >it on the plastic sheet I laid down. The hive is >still under the pine tree, and bees are filing into >it. > Congratulations! >I gave them some sugar water using a boardman >feeder, and have put frames in the box. Good moves, These will encourage them to stay! Now, this >is not the location I want the hive at... what do >I do now? When should I move them? Should I wait >until dusk when they are all in? Well, yes, but by the time you read this, it will be too late...... Or should I just >do it now? When I do move them, what else will encourage them >to stay? The rule I was taught, when moving bees, is "3 feet or 3 miles". ie. either move them to a site 3 miles away for a few days, then back to where you actually want them, or just move the hive 3 feet at a time, until it reaches the required 'destination'. At any time, but dusk, when they are all in, is definitely best! Do I need to reduce the entrance for a while? Only if there is a risk of 'robbing' by other bees (or wasps, or whatever...) >Should I grab a frame of honey from another hive and > give it to them? You shouldn't *really* give bees honey from another hive in any circumstances, in case of cross infection (especially as your new colony is relatively weak, being a swarm, reduced numbers.......) > >Any advice is much appreciated. It was a thrill >hiving them and now I want them to be very happy >in their new home. :) I'm sure they will be... Of course, this is beekeeping, there could be a hundred other answers (just as valid, or even moreso), and you must bear in mind that the bees appear to read different books to we apiarists! >Cheers, >Rebecca Bateman >ruhue@hoatzin.com hth, (envious, I am waiting to fill a new, currently empty hive myself, though it looks unlikely now ( the weather is not conducive to swarming, here. I'll end up buying a 'nucleus' in al couple of weeks; was hoping to avoid the expense, around £100, for a 6-frame 'nuc'....so anyone in N. Lincs who can help........? (get in touch!)) Good Luck, Rebecca....... -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12888 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!newsfeed.telalink.net!usenet From: beeman Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: stolen hives Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 16:51:51 -0700 Organization: Telalink Corporation, Nashville, TN, USA Lines: 30 Message-ID: <35831097.E9B1AB34@vci.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pah-pm3-1-130.vci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12888 FLASH !!! Just in: Between 25 May and 7 June, approximately 1,300 honey bee colonies were stolen from locations in Colorado. They could now be in alfalfa seed fields in the San Joaquin Valley of California or just about anywhere else. DESCRIPTION OF COLONIES: Four colonies per pallet, and either 3 or 2 stories high. At least one story on each pallet is yellow. Some supers will read, (High Mountain Apiaries," "McCollum & Sons," and/or have brand numbers of 4-256 or 4-236. The pallets themselves will be branded 4-256. IF YOU FIND EVIDENCE OF THESE COLONIES, PLEASE CONTACT Mr. McCollum: Richard McCollum (970) 527-3130 1292, 4200 DR. Paonia, CO 81428 Please pass this message on to other beekeepers in your area. Also, I am certain the owner would appreciate a posting of this message on to other news or discussion groups. Article 12889 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.imp.ch!imp.ch!news.telemedia.ch!tisdial01.tis.ch From: "francis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: 13 Jun 98 22:10:16 GMT Organization: privat Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bd9717$917444c0$c280a19d@default> References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> <6lq4op$auh$1@arlington.pe.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.telemedia.ch X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12889 Peter Amschel schrieb im Beitrag <6lq4op$auh$1@arlington.pe.net>... > In article <0 > > One important word you used which I did not understand is "firespirit". Is > this the same thing as "mineral oil"? "firespirit" looks a lot like a literal translation of german "Brennspiritus" which is methylated spirit used in small cooking stoves and the like. It is most certainly not "mineral oil". Technically it is a mixture of methyl and other alcohol with some bad-smelling chemical added to prevent this toxic solvent from being consumed by humans. I guess that it was used in the Walnutshell extract recipe as a cheap substitute for high grade grain alcohol. It should definitely not be used for human or animal (including bees) use! francis Article 12890 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!pavilion!not-for-mail From: snewport@pavilion.co.uk (Steve Newport) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:48:13 GMT Organization: Pavilion Internet USENET Server Lines: 20 Message-ID: <3582f259.1753063@news.pavilion.net> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> <3581FC05.7487@usit.net> Reply-To: snewport@pavilion.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup3-1.pavilion.co.uk X-Trace: grind.server.pavilion.net 897777097 13797 194.242.131.193 (13 Jun 1998 22:31:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@pavilion.net NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Jun 1998 22:31:37 GMT X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12890 One wonders at the intent of the bee in its evolution in developing a barb, if not to get stuck in its target ? On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:11:49 -0700, Jeffrey Dugan wrote: >Frank Curtis wrote: >> >> We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself >> after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed >> or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed >> in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? >> >> (We have no lives...) > >I have no first-hand knowledge, but I've read that bees can remove their >stingers with ease from, for instance, wasps, bumblebees, and similar >insects with the insect-like "skin", which is not "rubbery" like mammal >skin, and so does not grab the stinger. Article 12891 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!knife.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news.enterprise.net!not-for-mail From: "David Bolton" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Varroa in Ireland Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 23:57:20 +0100 Organization: Enterprise PLC - Internet Services Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6lv05o$1s3$1@news.enterprise.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max03-167.enterprise.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12891 I see a report in the Irish Times 13 June 1998, that varroa has been detected in Sligo, wset of Ireland. This is the first detection in Ireland. A sad day for beekeepers here. Dabo Article 12892 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.139.56.103!newsin.pe.net!news.pe.net!ns From: amschelp@pe.net (Peter Amschel) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 00:47:30 GMT Organization: PE.net - Internet access from the Press-Enterprise Company Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6lv6el$ln2$4@market.pe.net> References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> <6lq4op$auh$1@arlington.pe.net> <01bd9717$917444c0$c280a19d@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: hem01ppp00.pe.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12892 In article < >"firespirit" looks a lot like a literal translation of german >"Brennspiritus" which is methylated spirit used in small cooking stoves and Thanks, Francis. It was a frais (cool) message, though, from Germany. the Rolling Stones are playing there tonight, at Nuremburg. Article 12893 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.184.182.21!tricia!default From: hotopic2@hotmail.com (William Wallace) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Inporting bugs $ bees Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 03:20:18 GMT Organization: slow but sure Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6lvf7m$rg5@tricia.msn.fullfeed.com> References: <358155f5.35431000@news.jps.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p8-5.lse.fullfeed.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12893 A really great post, Andy. I love it!!! Now I'll be spitting up pop on my keyboard for a week. Sad but true. Your post will drone by most who don't have a clue, but the barb sticks and the sac won't stop pumpin' poison. We're a nation of weak-kneed panty waisted Monica Lewinskys, on our knees in front of the "Big Jerk" who just can't resist doin' it one more time. In article <358155f5.35431000@news.jps.net>, andy.nachbaur@calwest.net wrote: >Yes, its the law and the law was written with the above in mind and to >protect you from your dumb neighbor who keeps bees and whom you do not >know other then he know's nothing about beekeeping. Beekeepers are not >mature enough even to use the best government scientist selected >stock. This is a near quote from someone big in bee science I will not >name as I don't want to start a food fight in this group or have you >spit up your pop on the keyboard. Lucky for the beekeepers this person >is now retired but we still have to live with the books produced while >he was on the public payroll. > >ttul, the OLd Drone >http://beenet.com > Article 12894 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!fastnet!ptdnetP!ptdnetS!newsgate.ptd.net!nnrp2.ptd.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping From: dave@scranton.com (Dave D. Cawley) Subject: Re: Yorks Bee Co. Jessup, Ga. References: <35760046.2192@galstar.com> <1998060403152700.XAA27175@ladder03.news.aol.com> X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <11Jg1.856$1I2.2775065@nnrp2.ptd.net> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 05:16:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: du89.scr.ptd.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 01:16:45 EDT Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12894 I got a package each of Midnights and Starlines from York last Spring and they have been going like gangbusters ever since! I made a split from the Starlines this spring. They are the prettiest and most gentle bees I've had. Dave Article 12895 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> <3581FC05.7487@usit.net> <3582f259.1753063@news.pavilion.net> Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:36:39 +0100 Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-47.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <358399ec.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-47.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12895 Steve Newport wrote in message <3582f259.1753063@news.pavilion.net>... >One wonders at the intent of the bee in its evolution in developing a >barb, if not to get stuck in its target ? > I believe the evolutionary advantage of the barbs, is that they help the sting to 'go in'. The fact that they also prevent it coming out, is just unfortunate. Evolution sometimes plays tricks! But bear in mind that the individual bee is unimportant, and as long as the colony survives, there *is* an evolutionary advantage, also the workers cannot reproduce (normally!), and their 'genetic material' is all in the queen; as long as she survives, the stinging workers genes will survive...(Spock, in Star Trek - "The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few!")......... -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12896 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net (Andy Nachbaur) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 1300 hives stolen Colorado Date: Sat, 13 Jun 1998 21:38:17 GMT Organization: Wild Bee's Information Service Reply-To: andy.nachbaur@calwest.net Message-ID: <3582efbf.75272046@news.jps.net> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.11 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.142.54.11 Lines: 53 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.63.114.134 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.0.56.122!news.eli.net!blushng.jps.net!209.142.54.11 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12896 **from the B-List and I know many will not be interested but also having had a semi load of bees stolen I can not help but feel this beemans pain, its an experience you never want to have.* FLASH !!! Just in: Between 25 May and 7 June, approximately 1,300 honey bee colonies were stolen from locations in Colorado. They could now be in alfalfa seed fields in the San Joaquin Valley of California or just about anywhere else. DESCRIPTION OF COLONIES: Four colonies per pallet, and either 3 or 2 stories high. At least one story on each pallet is yellow. Some supers will read, (High Mountain Apiaries," "McCollum & Sons," and/or have brand numbers of 4-256 or 4-236. The pallets themselves will be branded 4-256. IF YOU FIND EVIDENCE OF THESE COLONIES, PLEASE CONTACT Mr. McCollum: Richard McCollum (970) 527-3130 1292, 4200 DR. Paonia, CO 81428 Please pass this message on to other beekeepers in your area. Also, I am certain the owner would appreciate a posting of this message on other e-mail networks to which I do not subscribe (e.g., SCI. AGRIC. BEEKEEPING). If you do so, please let me know that you have done so directly, not on the BEE-L network. Adrian Adrian M. Wenner (805) 963-8508 (home phone) 967 Garcia Road (805) 893-8062 (UCSB FAX) Santa Barbara, CA 93106 *********************************************************************** * "To cling rigidly to familiar ideas is in essence the same as * blocking the mind from engaging in creative free play." * * David Bohm and F. David Peat 1987 *********************************************************************** (c)Permission is given to copy this document in any form, or to print for any use. (w)OPINIONS are not necessarily facts. USE AT OWN RISK! Article 12897 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk!dave From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 20:36:45 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> <6lkc1u$ob2$1@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk:194.222.228.123 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897814474 nnrp-01:28687 NO-IDENT woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk:194.222.228.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 27 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12897 In article <6lkc1u$ob2$1@supernews.com>, vger writes >In article <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com>, lkeeler@dowagro.com >says... >> >>I would like to have a "Double Screen" . This is an insert which has two >>sreens separated enough that the bees on one side cannot touch the bees on >>the other side. The point being of course that the mesh panels are sufficiently far apart that the bees can't exchange food or 'Queen substance'. It is not the same as a Snelgrove (but more useful!). They are very useful too in establishing two queen colonies if you want to play with these. > Make your own > I've done this and it's fairly easy and it works great. > >mdiver@voy.net Exactly. I do too and they double as transit screens, floors, and crown boards. Not just toys. Rolls and sheets of black epoxy mesh are easily obtained from most beekeeping suppliers for making Varroa floors, vents and so on. Cut to size, fit to frame and presto ! Dave Black Surrey, UK. http://www.guildford.ac.uk/beehive Article 12898 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!209.69.36.218!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!not-for-mail From: "Len A. Davis" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: small hive beetle, Aethina tumida Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 09:44:29 -0500 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 67 Message-ID: <6m0nap$e6r$1@news12.ispnews.com> References: <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: len.pdq.net X-Trace: news12.ispnews.com 897835161 14555 209.144.239.210 (14 Jun 1998 14:39:21 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 14 Jun 1998 14:39:21 GMT X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12898 I would like more info on getting on the BeeBreed e-mail list. Thanks. Len Griffes@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <6lnfvq$pej$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>... >The following message was sent to BeeBreed (worldwide e-mail list for >researchers working to breed bees resistant to mites and disease) by Gard Otis >- obviously he forwarded it to BeeBreed as he ain't the author of it as you >will note upon reading it. Thought it might be of interest/concern. > >Best wishes, Jack Griffes >========================================== >========================================== > > >NEW BEE PEST FOUND IN FLORIDA > Laurence Cutts, Chief Apiary Inspector for the Florida > Department of >Agriculture and Consumer Service, reported today that a new exotic >pest of honey bees had been discovered in Florida. A sample was >submitted by a beekeeper on June 1 which was later identified on June >5, 1998 as being the small hive beetle, Aethina tumida (familyNitidulidae). > Cutts reports that the small hive beetle has been found in > four operations on >the east coast of Florida in the Ft. Pierce and St. Lucie area. A >delimiting survey is currently being conducted. Plans are being made >to quarantine the infested area. > Most of the honey bee colonies from at least one of the known > infested operations are currently in Maine for pollination rental. >Other >colonies from the area have been moved earlier in the year to various >locations across the country. It is not yet known whether any beetles >were transported with the bees, and if they were transported to other >places whether they will survive in cooler areas of the country. > The small hive beetle has killed colonies that were apparently > strong in >Florida. Mr. Cutts described the larvae of this beetle as being the >size of the lesser wax moth but looking like a typical beetle larvae >with six legs. The larvae apparently feed on a mixture of honey and >pollen. In particular, they have been uncapping sealed honey, >defecating in the honey and making it unattractive to the bees. Adult >beetles are also found in the hive where they are repelled by light >and hide in debris on the bottom board and between frames and hive >boxes. Colonies have been found with 100's of adult beetles and >1,000's of larvae. > Aethina tumida larvae leave their host colony and burrow into > the ground to >pupate. Control of this beetle could probably by made while it is out >of the hive and in the ground. Pest control products made for killing >mole crickets or fire ants (Diazinon) would probably kill this beetle. > The literature reports this beetle as being as destructive as > the wax moth >where it is widely distributed in tropical and subtropical Africa. >Both larval and adult stages cause damage in colonies. However, in >Africa there are few beetles reported in strong colonies with the >beetle normally attacking weak colonies and stored equipment. The >adult beetle is shiny brown to black and is about 0.5 cm in length. >Fermenting fruit is reported to be attractive to the beetle. >Submitted by I. Barton Smith, Jr., State Apiary Inspector, Maryland >Department of AgricultureJune 8, 1998 > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12899 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.clara.net!nnrp1.clara.net!not-for-mail From: dgraham@clara.takout.net (David Graham) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe. Date: 14 Jun 1998 17:53:05 GMT Organization: Society of Clock Work Orange Opperatives (EC) Message-ID: <09980514185255.OUI40.dgraham@clara.takout.net> Reply-To: dgraham@clara.takout.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.8.80.175 X-Newsreader: OUI PRO 1.5.0.2 Lines: 143 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12899 This paper was circulated in one of our national beekeeper journals for June this year. I have taken the liberty of posting it because of the interest and discussion which this subject generates and also in the hope that you may find it useful. I also hope that it may generate further positive comment and helpful discussion. All observations on this procedure/method will be much appreciated. Other methods of control ?prevention are very welcome. +++++++++++++++++++++++ Start ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Summer Treatment for Varroasis Widely Used in Europe. This method has already been demonstrated on a video produced by Bayer, the manufacturer of Bayvarol. Formic Acid Treatment is the only treatment to date (apart from heat treatment) which kills the Varroa mite in the Brood cells. Heavy infestations on Varroasis found in German colonies during the summer are treated by a procedure which gives the beekeeper the opportunity to treat his/her bees immediately without contamination of honey harvest and hopefully save the bees by timely intervention. Using formic acid the treatment procedure is extremely simple but requires to be carried out methodically. Equipment required:- 1. A measure of 60% concentrated Formic acid (1 Litre) 2. Acid proof gloves. 3. Safety spectacles or goggles. 4. Suitable particle filter face mask. 5. Suitable piece of absorbent material (a square kitchen sponge will suffice) 6. Large bucket (2 gallon size) full of fresh water. 7. Brood box with floorboard sealed (foam rubber strip will suffice) and a 8. crownboard. 9. Spare brood box and a full complement of drawn brood combs. 10. Coloured drawing pins. Procedure 1. When Varroasis has been diagnosed in a colony nothing is done until early evening at which time the bees are subdued. 2. if the colony is not strong: Supers are removed and the bees are shaken from the frames in these supers in front of the hive. The bees will return to the brood box. 3. If the colony is very strong: All of the supers are removed and the bees shaken from the supers in front of the hive as in para 13. Another brood box filled out with drawn deep frames is placed on top of the original brood box with a queen excluder between the two brood chambers. 4. The honey supers are removed to a bee proof location. 5. The following day or as soon as possible after the above operations have been carried out a spare empty brood box is prepared by placing it on a floorboard with the entrance sealed and air tight (a strip of foam rubber or even a strip of rag will suffice!). 6. A crownboard is prepared such that it can be placed on top of this spare brood box to form a closed lid. This lid is sealed later using masking tape or some other similar adhesive strip. 7. The infected colony is subdued. 8. All of the brood combs in the brood nests are examined. 9. All combs in which most or all of the brood is sealed are identified. Coloured drawing pins are used to mark these combs. 10. All combs which contain mostly unsealed brood are also identified. 11. A suitable absorbent material is placed on the floorboard of the previously prepared empty spare brood box. 12. (a square domestic kitchen sponge is suitable). The following necessary precautions are taken:- A suitable mask, acid proof gloves and safety glasses are worn, and a bucket with fresh water is provided. (If at any time formic acid comes in contact with skin, wash copiously and immediately with fresh water.) When removing gloves after procedures involving formic acid, wash gloved hands completely in fresh water to remove all traces of formic acid from gloves before attempting to remove them.) 1. The absorbent material is soaked with 40ml of 60% (percent) formic acid, using a veterinarians syringe. 2. The crownboard is placed on spare brood box temporarily. 3. All the bees are shaken from the previously identified frames containing primarily sealed brood back into the parent hive. 4. Each frame of sealed brood without bees is placed into the spare brood box containing the formic acid pad. 5. When the brood box is full or all of the selected sealed brood frames are inserted, the crownboard is put in place and taped closed. Making the box airtight. 6. The box is left sitting in sunlight for 90 minutes, the ambient temperature being at least 15c on the day selected for the above procedures. The weather forecast is checked prior to the fumigation being done, forward planning makes it more possible to achieve the desired conditions. 1. After the fumigation exercise is completed the brood combs are replaced in any colony if more than one colony was treated. Gloves and other protection are still worn during this operation. Never be tempted to work with formic acid without suitable protection. 2. The procedure is repeated the following week, fumigating the combs in the infested hives which were identified as having primarily open brood at the previous inspection. The residual formic acid on the returned combs is said to be lethal to the adult mites in the infested colony and appears to go a long way to reducing the adult mite population sufficiently to give the colony the chance to prosper. The adult mite fall in the colonies is checked either weekly or daily as a matter of routine from then on, to plot the progress of any residual infestation. If after around 14 days from the final fumigation the mite fall is more than 5 mites per day the above described procedures are repeated. The supers are returned to the hives around two days after the fumigation is done in each case. Formic acid exists in honey naturally and is no longer viewed as a contaminant by the veterinary authorities in Europe. The dosage of formic acid has to be varied depending on ambient conditions and beekeeper experience. Read all you can about the mite and get to know it well. Only in this way will you be able to keep on top of the infestations which will be a continuous presence in your colonies from the initial find. +++++++++++++++++++ End +++++++++++++++++++ !N3 -- --------------------- From : David Graham On : 06/14/98 at 18:53 Brittish Summer Time Reply: sci.agriculture.beekeeping --------------------- >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << E-Mail: Only iff you must. Remove >> IMPORTANT INFORMATION << --------------------- Article 12900 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mountain Bee Products South Africa Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:56:34 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6m12ql$m5d$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-70.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12900 Take a look at our Web Page. To see our Range of Protective Clothing for you The Beekeeper. Contact me Robin Mountain mountbee@iafrica.com begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 14:57:39 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <35844753.3223@usit.net> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> <3581FC05.7487@usit.net> <3582f259.1753063@news.pavilion.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup33.tnjoh.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12901 Steve Newport wrote: > > One wonders at the intent of the bee in its evolution in developing a > barb, if not to get stuck in its target ? > Good question. Actually, I've wondered about the reverse. If other stinging insects can sting repeatedly with impunity, why did the honeybee evolve a barb? I'm just guessing, but how about this explanation to both questions: Animals with leathery skin are generally large enough to kill a stinging bee by smashing it. Potential insect enemies are generally not large enough to kill a stinging bee this way. So if the enemy is a bug, it's better for the bee to be able to sting again and again until the entire load of venom is depleted. But if the bee is likely to die be crushed to death after the first sting, it's better to leave the stinger in the skin, continuing to sting, the better to defend the colony. Maybe mother nature knew what she was doing with the barb. But I don't really know -- I'm still very new to apiculture. By the way, just today I saw my bees repeatedly stinging a wasp or wasp-shaped intruder that had happened onto a super I had open during an inspection. None of the bees died from the stinging, and all were stinging the intruder over and over. It looked like a bad way to die. > On Fri, 12 Jun 1998 21:11:49 -0700, Jeffrey Dugan > wrote: > >I have no first-hand knowledge, but I've read that bees can remove their > >stingers with ease from, for instance, wasps, bumblebees, and similar > >insects with the insect-like "skin", which is not "rubbery" like mammal > >skin, and so does not grab the stinger. Article 12902 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.idt.net!newsxfer.visi.net!newsfeed.usit.net!news.usit.net!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Dugan Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Need Diagnosis Help Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 15:15:12 -0700 Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <35844B70.449@usit.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup33.tnjoh.usit.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12902 Today I saw something unexpected on some of my bees. In one corner of the lower hive body, at the top of the frames, about four or five bees had something near the top of the pollen basket of only one leg, near the "knee" joint. One of the bees _may_ have had this thing on both legs, but I'm not sure. In each case, the thing was irregular in shape, roughly 2-3 times the diameter of the bee's leg, and a kind of shiny reddish brown (almost cordovan?) in color. It occurred to me that this could be unusually-colored bits of pollen yet to be unloaded, but if that's not it, it's not like any disease or pest I've read about yet. I didn't notice any bees with other types of pollen still clinging to parts of their legs. Please forgive my ignorance, as this is my first summer with bees, but does anyone know if this is merely pollen, or something else? In case it's important, the bees are Italians, I live in northeast Tennessee near/in the mountains, and as far as I can tell, the hive is healthy. The only adverse conditions I know about is that we've had more rain than normal recently, but most of this rain has been at night, so foraging has not been seriously interrupted. Article 12903 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: beecrofter@aol.com (BeeCrofter) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need Diagnosis Help Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998061422123900.SAA15015@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 14 Jun 1998 22:12:39 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <35844B70.449@usit.net> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12903 Wierd stuff on Bees leg Propolus - so sticky the use other bees to help remove it. Article 12904 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!wesley.videotron.net!wagner.videotron.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Sylvain Trottier" Subject: looking for honey extractor Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Message-ID: <01bd97f0$384a98c0$4a6c13cc@usager> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Lines: 8 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 23:54:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp25.cedep.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 19:54:13 EDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12904 Hi everyone, I'm looking for a used honey extractor near the Montreal region (Quebec, Canada). Please contact me at the following e-mail adress. rtrottier@cedep.com Article 12905 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Owners" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Bees in Tops of Red Oak Trees Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 21:51:30 -0400 Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: p4.a1.56k.ic.net Message-ID: <35848b3d.0@news.ic.net> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.ic.net!p4.a1.56k.ic.net Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12905 This evening, we were outside and noticed five distinct areas of bee activity in the tops of the red oak trees, about 20-30 feet up. They appeared large, being visible from the ground, and were buzzing around these five different areas, at the end of the branches in leaf clusters. Can anyone give me some idea as to what we were seeing? Or was this the beginning of a swarm of honey bees? We have no idea, and want to know if we should be concerned, e.g., were these hornets? Thank you for your help! Mark Article 12906 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!netnews.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!news3.atl.bellsouth.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Frank Humphrey" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <6l7sn7$6ng@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Q for TBH enthusiasts Lines: 54 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 02:16:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: host-209-214-41-166.cha.bellsouth.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 22:16:12 EST Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12906 > >In looking at plans on the Net I notice some have the entrance on the long >side, while others have it on the narrow front. Does the location affect >where the brood nest is within the hive? What are the pros and cons of each >location? > >At what angle should the sides be sloped? I have seen plans with straight >sides, 60 and 77 degrees. My understanding is that the slope will >discourage the bees from attaching the comb to the sides. > >With a width of about 20" how many bars should there be adequate brood >rearing and some harvest? 20? 30? > >Anyone had experience or ideas about transitioning the bees occupying a >Langstroth to this new environment? I thought about setting the old deeps >on top of the TBH until all the brood emerged but I can't see the bees >drawing anything out below let alone the Q moving down. Would you >"slice-n-splice" the old comb onto the top bars? > >I am sure I will have more questions later but this is what has been on my >mind. >-- >Geo >"Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" >gstyLer@worldnet.att.net >Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail > The Beauty of a TBH is there is no special way to build them. I have 3 in my back yard. All contain 30 Top Bars plus 1/4" for a divider to decrease volume in winter. The width is approx. 18 1/2" so that the bars can be inserted into a Langstroth hive to be partially drawn. The sides are straight with 16 entrance holes on one side only. I stand at the back and work the whole hive. This afternoon, I pulled a bar of capped honey, cut it from the bar into a sealable container and reinserted the bar. I then presented my 8 year old granddaughter with honey fresh from the hive. She loved it. Frank Humphrey beekeepr@bellsouth.net Article 12907 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: Rebecca Davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: leave 'em alone? Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 11:17:03 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 19 Message-ID: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> Reply-To: amused@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-243-93.s30.as4.rkv.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 897880692 13487 207.172.243.93 (15 Jun 1998 03:18:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12907 I'm a new beekeeper with a hive of package bees installed in April. The queen was laying well until about two weeks ago, when I noticed lots of capped brood, but very few larva and virtually no eggs. Two days ago, in a quick inspection, I saw evidence of a queen cell on the comb, no eggs, some capped brood. Today a beekeeper friend came to help me out and we found an empty queen cell on the ground in front of the hive, about 4 empty queen cells, and one that the workers seemed to be opening from the outside. So it looks like supersedure. We did see a queen, and we watched her lay some eggs. She was near cells with haphazardly laid eggs (some cells with two eggs.) We did not disturb her because we were not sure if she was the original queen or a newly hatched queen. Unless laying workers lengthen out to the size of a queen, she *was* a queen. This hive is very gentle, the bees are busy, they have a good deal of honey, much of it capped, and are continuing to draw new comb. Is this a supercedure? Is it common for the workers to dismantle queen cells when they successfully supercede? Is it common for a new queen to lay eggs so badly? If it's the old queen, will the hive get rid of her? In other words, should I leave them alone, or try something? Thanks! Article 12908 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: hhf34@aol.com (HHF34) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Repost: Attention all Wisconsin Beekeepers Lines: 14 Message-ID: <1998061505371600.BAA03065@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 15 Jun 1998 05:37:16 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <1998061222340200.SAA11937@ladder03.news.aol.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12908 Ron, Thank you again for your informational post. When the survey was requested by the membership of the W.H.P.A. the purpose was to include those who might not have been included in previous studies for one reason or another. The posting here was done to enable those who do not receive the "Wisconsin Badger Bee" the opportunity to be included on the survey because all beekeepers who pollinate crops within Wisconsin's boarders are not all members of the WHPA. TTYL Monica M. Piechowski ------------------- Never give up one anyone...Miracles happen every day! Article 12909 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!worldfeed.gte.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Mountain Bee Products South Africa Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 07:42:15 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6m2ca3$11e$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-65.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12909 Take a look at our Web Page. To see our Range of Protective Clothing for you The Beekeeper. Contact me Robin Mountain mountbee@iafrica.com http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html begin 666 Mountain Bee Products Page.url M6TEN=&5R;F5T4VAO Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: 5 to 6 eggs a worker cell Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:35:32 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Ilmenau Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3584DCD4.FF6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: fresnel.wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; AIX 1) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12910 In one hive I saw in worker cells many with only one egg but some included up to 6 eggs. The Queen is probably from 1996. There were also swarm- cells. Did anybody had equal expiriences? Waiting for explanations and advices Christian Schütz Article 12911 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!203.97.37.6!clear.net.nz!ihug.co.nz!not-for-mail From: fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Granulated honey Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:43:04 GMT Organization: The Internet Group Ltd Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: p14-max6.akl.ihug.co.nz X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12911 Hi All, After a good second season with 5 hives, I have a container of honey which has granulated coarsly. I have a customer for a few dozen containers of liquid honey, and have been experimenting with melting the granulated honey in a microwave, using the defrost cycle. This have proved to be a rather slow and laborious process, and I think I am probably heating the honey more than is good for it. Is there a better way to liquify this honey? Will it be less likely to crystallise again after being melted? Frank fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 12912 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!not-for-mail From: jcaldeira@earthlink.net (John Caldeira) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Bees in Tops of Red Oak Trees Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:52:08 GMT Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <358509f7.45382327@news.earthlink.net> References: <35848b3d.0@news.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 1cust101.tnt1.dfw5.da.uu.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12912 "Owners" (Mark) wrote: >This evening, we were outside and noticed five distinct areas of bee >activity in the tops of the red oak trees, about 20-30 feet up. Aphids are a likely reason that honey bees visit oak trees. The aphids secrete a sweet liquid called "honeydew" that bees often collect similar to the way they collect nectar from flowers. The bees won't bother the trees, but their presence may indicate an aphid problem. John ================================================ John Caldeira Dallas, Texas http://home.earthlink.net/~jcaldeira/beekeeping/ ================================================ Article 12913 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "Donn D." Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 to 6 eggs a worker cell Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:40:51 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35851653.1F4F@erols.com> References: <3584DCD4.FF6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> Reply-To: divedonn@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-74-20.s20.tnt2.man.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 897914795 24260 207.172.74.20 (15 Jun 1998 12:46:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12913 Christian Schuetz wrote: > > In one hive I saw in worker cells many with only one egg but some > included up to 6 eggs. The Queen is probably from 1996. There were also > swarm- cells. Did anybody had equal expiriences? > > Waiting for explanations and advices > > Christian Schütz Sounds to me like you have no queen and now have a laying worker. Article 12914 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!151.164.30.38!newsgate.swbell.net!151.164.30.35.MISMATCH!cyclone.swbell.net!swbell!not-for-mail From: Jim Owen Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated honey Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 08:03:06 -0500 Organization: Southwestern Bell Internet Services, Richardson, TX Lines: 27 Message-ID: <35851B8A.C2F46094@swbell.net> References: <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-151-164-39-195.rcsntx.swbell.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: (null) 897915901 19973 (None) 151.164.39.195 X-Complaints-To: usenet@nnrp1 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) To: bates Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12914 Depending on what your container is, of course, I normally use a large pot (A "Canner", with wire racks to keep the honey containers off the bottom). Put in all the containers (well sealed) add water to nearly cover all containers, and heat to about 140-150 (F). (CAUTION*** Do not heat above 160 (F) with the containers sealed... They will burst!!) It normally takes about 20 minutes to liquify. Another method is to place in a large closed container (Abandoned car works well) in the sun. Here, in Texas, the inside temp of an abandoned car can get well above 140 and will liquify in a few hours (due to poor heat transfer of air vs water). Jim Owen bates wrote: > > Hi All, > After a good second season with 5 hives, I have a container of honey > which has granulated coarsly. I have a customer for a few dozen > containers of liquid honey, and have been experimenting with melting > the granulated honey in a microwave, using the defrost cycle. This > have proved to be a rather slow and laborious process, and I think I > am probably heating the honey more than is good for it. Is there a > better way to liquify this honey? > Will it be less likely to crystallise again after being melted? > > Frank > fbates@ihug.co.nz Article 12915 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!news.islandnet.com!not-for-mail From: Georg Stratemeyer Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Walnutshells against the Varroa! Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 06:22:01 -0700 Organization: Cowichan Valley Mediation Services Lines: 52 Message-ID: <35851FF9.6D0C@islandnet.com> References: <01bd9530$6ae36c20$LocalHost@markusma> NNTP-Posting-Host: 199.175.106.45 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) To: Beekeeper Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12915 Beekeeper wrote: > > The making the walnut shells solution. > > One collected the green shells from walnuttree in the > autumn, if fall the nuts, hackled she and fills > therewith good lockable glass (best 1- liter glasses) > until short under the margin. The sum get then with firespirit > filled up and good airproof closed. After four > weeks has takes one a ready made means that the bees no > one damage, but by the odour the we can't Persons with > our sense of smell quite determine, the Varroa sells. > > By the application fly the spirit inside less minutes, > what the bees with open floor nothing incommoded. The > solution with the paintbrush on the ramming, floor, > pages laid on, sell the Varroa mite, when I bring > the solution to the application. > > Update : At 14. and 15.02.1998 could I only all small deaddrop > determine and founds no Varroa mite. I keep at > the method, want but once more points at, that by the > fabrication the solution only green shells come into > operation. As soon the shells longer in the grass lie, > become this black and are valueless. The solution self > sees after four weeks right black from and is usable. I > do hope, that I have with this contribution an > expedients for the combat the Varroa marked down and > wish each bee keeper good luck with his honeybees. > > > Hallo, Deine englischen Angaben sind etwas unklar fuer uns. Vielleicht kann ich helfen und Deine Angaben uebersetzen? Ich halte Bienen in Kanada (Vancouver Island) und habe auch Probleme mit Vaorra. Eine Alternative zu den chemischen Behandlungen waere interessant fuer uns. Ich experemtiere gerade mit aetherischen (?) Oelen, eine Walnus Tinktur waere attraktive. Wenn Du mir Deine Angaben auf Deutsch schicken kannst, werde ich sie auf Englisch uebersetzen und hier 'posten'. Gruesse Georg -- Cowichan Valley Mediation Services-Georg Stratemeyer 4876 Marshall Road, RR 3, Duncan, BC, V9L 2X1 Telephone: 250 746 6176 Homepage: http://www.islandnet.com/~mediate/index.html Article 12916 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.162.159.201!news1.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Bjørn Andresen" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated honey Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 15:50:10 +0200 Organization: Customer at Tele Danmark Erhverv Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6m38lb$oo3$1@news1.tele.dk> References: <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: buff-25.dia.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12916 We manufacturer honey liquefactors which are well suited to liquefy honey in a soft way. These liquefactors are used a lot in Europe. Take a look at www.swienty.com and click on the right menu on honey strainers. Look at the bottom of the page and you will see samples of the liquefactors. Regards Bjorn Andresen SWIENTY A/S bates wrote in message <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz>... >Hi All, > After a good second season with 5 hives, I have a container of honey >which has granulated coarsly. I have a customer for a few dozen >containers of liquid honey, and have been experimenting with melting >the granulated honey in a microwave, using the defrost cycle. This >have proved to be a rather slow and laborious process, and I think I >am probably heating the honey more than is good for it. Is there a >better way to liquify this honey? >Will it be less likely to crystallise again after being melted? > >Frank >fbates@ihug.co.nz > Article 12917 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Bluedorn Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: A Beginner's Problems Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:25:00 -0500 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 33 Message-ID: <35852EBC.957415EB@muscanet.com> Reply-To: trivium@muscanet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.217.163.115 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 897920611 8JUHHDRUMA373CDD9C usenet78.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12917 I set up a bee hive this spring for the first time. First I ordered a beginner's kit from Dadant and spent a good afternoon putting it together. Then I ordered 3lbs of Midnite bees from York Bee Company. When I got them they were all dead. So I reordered 5lbs of bees from York because the lady there said that would be better since the season was so late. When I got the 5lbs they were very healthy and active and I installed them that evening. So far the bees have been pleasant, busy little guys (or galls), none have stung me and everything has gone fine .... until today. This morning I went out to check the bees for the second time. I checked them the first time to see if the queen was loose about a week ago which was four days after I installed them. This morning I noticed three queen cells right in the middle of the frames surrounded by honey cells. Also, I did not see any brood, only honey. What is wrong? Is the queen bad and the bees are taking emergency measures to make another? Why are there no new babies? How do the bees expect to make another queen if there are no new babies to raise one from? Should I just let them take care of the situation or should I order a replacement queen? The bees are acting just as they have since I got them. They have eaten tremendous amounts of my sugar water, two quarts on some days. From what I saw, they have filled the one brood chamber three quarters full of honey already, though none of the honey cells are capped. What ever happens I am learning things and that is all I wanted to get out of this first year. I would very much appreciate any advice you expert beekeepers might me. Nathaniel Bluedorn in north west Illinois, USA Article 12918 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <35856B81.550618C@ibm.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:44:17 +0300 From: grmps048 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Looking for wholesalers in U.S and CANADA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 139.92.84.196 X-Trace: 15 Jun 1998 18:45:11 GMT, 139.92.84.196 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 19 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: should be reported to postmaster@ibm.net X-Complaints-To: postmaster@ibm.net Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!139.92.84.196 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12918 ANEL-STANDARD is a manufacturing company in Athens-Greece which manufactures beekeeper's equipment since 1968 . Our products have been two times awarded from ``APIMONDIA`` . The excellent quality and the really low prices are two characteristics of our products . We are looking for wholesalers in U.S. and Canada to co-operate . You can visit our site to have a first look and a brief description of our products . For farther information e-mail , mail or FAX Eleftherios Pantelakis ANEL-STANDARD CO ANDREA KALVU 105 N. IONIA T.K. 14231 ATHENS-GREECE TEL-FAX 0030-1-2771180 e-mail : pantelakis@ibm.net http://www.domi.gr/business/meli/anel/startup.htm Article 12919 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: 15 Jun 1998 19:56:57 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 50 Message-ID: <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12919 Here are a couple of possibilities for you and I am sure others can provide more info. Where are (were) the Q cells located? Usually, supercedure and emergency cells are built on the face of the comb, whereas swarm cells usually occur along the bottoms of frames. Since you say you hived your swarm last April, this could be swarming time in your location (it would help to know what part of the world you are from). Or the old Q is failing and they are indeed superceding. A poor pattern or more than 1 egg/cell are certainly indications of a failing Q. In either case, the old Q may slow down her laying or stop entirely. It is not unusual for a colony to build Q cells and rear them almost to the time they emerg, only to tear them apart. Who are we to guess why? I usually just leave them be unless they are hoplessly queenless. They seem to "know" when it is time to replace her and I find that the Q's they raise are as good if not better than a purchased one. BTW, I always mark my Q's. This way I can tell how old she is, if she is a supercedure and if that swarm in my neighbors yard is from one of my hives. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Rebecca Davis wrote in article <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com>... > I'm a new beekeeper with a hive of package bees installed in April. The > queen was laying well until about two weeks ago, when I noticed lots of > capped brood, but very few larva and virtually no eggs. Two days ago, > in a quick inspection, I saw evidence of a queen cell on the comb, no > eggs, some capped brood. Today a beekeeper friend came to help me out > and we found an empty queen cell on the ground in front of the hive, > about 4 empty queen cells, and one that the workers seemed to be opening > from the outside. So it looks like supersedure. We did see a queen, and > we watched her lay some eggs. She was near cells with haphazardly laid > eggs (some cells with two eggs.) We did not disturb her because we were > not sure if she was the original queen or a newly hatched queen. Unless > laying workers lengthen out to the size of a queen, she *was* a queen. > This hive is very gentle, the bees are busy, they have a good deal of > honey, much of it capped, and are continuing to draw new comb. Is this > a supercedure? Is it common for the workers to dismantle queen cells > when they successfully supercede? Is it common for a new queen to lay > eggs so badly? If it's the old queen, will the hive get rid of her? In > other words, should I leave them alone, or try something? Thanks! > > Article 12920 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!tomsp8.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Speight Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 20:39:37 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 897939644 nnrp-06:6915 NO-IDENT tomsp8.demon.co.uk:194.222.124.95 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a <21uDM5N6bilcqpHafM04oxRbos> Lines: 18 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12920 In article <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com>, Rebecca Davis writes >So it looks like supersedure. We did see a queen, and >we watched her lay some eggs. She was near cells with haphazardly laid >eggs (some cells with two eggs.) We did not disturb her because we were >not sure if she was the original queen or a newly hatched queen. Hi Rebecca, It's possible that a new queen will lay two or more eggs per cell for a couple of days until she gets going properly. I've never known a laying worker to increase in size, that's why they are so hard to spot. I would leave them for a 7-8 days or so until the next inspection before doing anything drastic, especially as the queen cells are being torn down. Regards -- Tom S Article 12921 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!193.174.75.110!news-was.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!news.uni-jena.de!news.tu-ilmenau.de!not-for-mail From: Christian Schuetz Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 to 6 eggs a worker cell Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:18:17 +0200 Organization: Technische Universitaet Ilmenau Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35857379.167E@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> References: <3584DCD4.FF6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> <35851653.1F4F@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: fresnel.wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; AIX 1) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12921 Donn D. wrote: > > Christian Schuetz wrote: > > > > In one hive I saw in worker cells many with only one egg but some > > included up to 6 eggs. The Queen is probably from 1996. There were also > > swarm- cells. Did anybody had equal expiriences? > > > > Waiting for explanations and advices > > > > Christian Schütz > > Sounds to me like you have no queen and now have a laying worker. I saw the Queen and she laid eggs to swarm cells and normal cells Article 12922 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: 15 Jun 1998 21:12:47 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: as5200-14.sl010.cns.vt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12922 In article <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net says... > >Here are a couple of possibilities for you and I am sure others can provide >more info. > > >BTW, I always mark my Q's. This way I can tell how old she is, if she is a >supercedure and if that swarm in my neighbors yard is from one of my hives. > Great idea. I've never tried to mess with the queen. With what do you mark her. Would something like ladies nail polish be satisfactory or are the solvents in such stuff toxic to her? Article 12923 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!news.dal.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!pitt.edu!portc02.blue.aol.com!portc03.blue.aol.com!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!24.124.0.2!news.sunflower.com!not-for-mail From: "Brad Faber" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Help with attracting Bees Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 16:49:50 -0500 Organization: Sunflower Cablevision's Datavision USENET Server Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.124.43.29 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8179 rec.gardens:265268 rec.gardens.edible:10949 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12923 sci.agriculture.fruit:1906 I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits mature. Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a home garden? -- Brad Faber Pres., Editor in Chief Reef Reviews http://www.reefreviews.com nOsPaMbrad@reefreviews.comNOsPam remove the nospam before and after Article 12924 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!news.itg.net.uk!jegsav.global.co.uk!john From: John Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Extractor wanted in UK. Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 19:18:51 +0100 Organization: Organisation name, location. Telephone/Fax? Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.147.14.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: ANT RISCOS Marcel [ver 1.41] Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12924 We'd like to buy a small second-hand extractor in good condition. We live near Leighton Buzzard, so if you live nearby and have an extractor you don't need and would like to sell we'd like to hear from you. Thanks, John and Viv PS We'd also be interested in 2nd hand National Hive parts. -- John and Viv Savage. Tel/fax +44 (0)1525 237625 Article 12925 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: 15 Jun 1998 22:17:11 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6m46h7$gob@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.237 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12925 Don't know about the nail polish. It is a laquer with an acetone base and I now how acetone dries my skin out if I get it on my hands. I use Testor's model paint available at any hobby store for around $1 USD. There is a 5-color scheme used to designate the year but since I don't have any re-queening program (just 2 hives), I just got a visible color that didn't horridly brand the bee (yellow for yellow Italians). I don't like the thought of a dayglow pink dot, and the yellow is very visable even in poor light. Here is my technique and I am sure there are others. I like this because you don't have to handle the bee as I would be concerned that I might harm her. 1. Cut the tip off of a nail (about 7d) and file it blunt. This will give you a nice dot. 2. Place about a 2" x 2" piece of 1/4" mesh hardware cloth gently over the queen while on the comb and push down just enough so that her thorax pops up through a hole in the mesh and she is still. 3. Dip the tip of the nail in the paint and remove any excess so there is very little on the nail. 4. Carefully apply the tip to her thorax being very careful of the wing joints. 5. Allow her to dry or a few minutes before releasing her. Piece of cake! A good way to practice is to try it out a few times on drones. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Jerome R. Long wrote in article <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>... > In article <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > > Great idea. I've never tried to mess with the queen. With what do you mark > her. Would something like ladies nail polish be satisfactory or are the > solvents in such stuff toxic to her? > Article 12926 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!europa.clark.net!209.69.36.218!news1.ispnews.com!news11.ispnews.com!not-for-mail From: Moi Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Loking to buy ONE hive in MD or adjacent Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 21:44:21 -0700 Organization: ISPNews http://ispnews.com Lines: 8 Message-ID: <3585F824.D71391C3@mindless.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sorin.fred.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news13.ispnews.com 897961335 4648 205.252.223.113 (16 Jun 1998 01:42:15 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: 16 Jun 1998 01:42:15 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12926 Helo, Need one hive to polinate my backyard plants/trees/etc. I'm located in MD . I can drive around 100 mi if necessary. Feedback appreciated. Thank you sd/ Article 12927 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: Rebecca Davis Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:32:27 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <3585307A.C3EA6D74@erols.com> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: amused@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-175-26.s26.as13.rkv.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 897964415 26219 207.172.175.26 (16 Jun 1998 02:33:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12927 Thanks everybody for the good information in reply to my post. The queen cells we saw were on the face of the comb, another reason to think this is supercedure. (I'm in Maryland, and am priviliged to be able to attend the Montgomery County Beekeepers Association and I've already heard George Imirie on the subject of queen marking, so I will NEVER get an unmarked queen again!) I've decided to "leave 'em alone" for a week and see what they can do by themselves. I've got a lot to learn, but this is so interesting! Thanks again. Article 12928 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Griffes@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: leave 'em alone? Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 02:54:10 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6m4moi$ic1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3583E96E.E8068805@erols.com> <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.108.56.16 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 16 02:54:10 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 4.0; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12928 In article <6m42of$lbp$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, jrlong@vt.edu (Jerome R. Long) wrote: > > In article <6m3ua9$kr4@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, gstyLer@worldnet.att.net > says ... > >BTW, I always mark my Q's. This way I can tell how old she is, if she is a > >supercedure and if that swarm in my neighbors yard is from one of my hives. > > > Great idea. I've never tried to mess with the queen. With what do you mark > her. Would something like ladies nail polish be satisfactory or are the > solvents in such stuff toxic to her? Some folks use nail polish. Some folks use model paint. Some folks use "typing correction fluid" I use oil based paint pens (art supply store)- MUCHO faster and more handy to tote about and use. Just be careful to test your pen PRIOR TO USE - some are a bit generous in giving up paint - baptizing the poor gal in your favorite color of paint will not be beneficial - you just want a nice dot on top of the thorax. You hold her by the thorax also OR by at least two legs on same side of body. You can grab her wings to pick her up (ususally the way first time queen handlers do it) OR better yet just grab her by the thorax then position her in the other hand to make her easier to mark. Best wishes, Jack Griffes Country Jack's Honeybee Farm http://members.tripod.com/~Griffes -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12929 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!192.35.44.7!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Granulated honey Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 10:41:23 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <17F769656S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12929 In article <6m2mtm$eal$1@newsource.ihug.co.nz> fbates@ihug.co.nz (bates) writes: > > ... have been experimenting with melting >the granulated honey in a microwave, using the defrost cycle.... >Is there a better way to liquify this honey? A container that will fit in a microwave will also fit in a dishwasher. Make sure the container is water tight. The heat in my dish washer will melt a quart canning jar of granulated honey and you get a clean jar as an added bonus! Aaron Morris - I think, therefore I bee! Article 12930 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!130.18.80.15.MISMATCH!nntp.msstate.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!news.crd.ge.com!rebecca!uacsc2.albany.edu!SYSAM From: SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT Organization: University at Albany, Albany NY 12222 Lines: 52 Message-ID: <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: uacsc2.albany.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12930 In article <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> mejensen@att.net (Mark Jensen) writes: >... >Is it true that Elroy Rogers has been kicked off the BEE-L? Mark, NO ONE, not one person, NOBODY has been "kicked off" BEE-L, not even Malibu Skipper! Subscribers come and go OF THEIR OWN ACCORD. Read the archives. Elroy Rogers stated he would leave BEE-L if it becomes a moderated list, he restated that he would leave BEE-L if it remains a moderated list and he left BEE-L because it is a moderated list. Pedro Rodriguez, DVM signed off BEE-L because he was not able to keep up with the volumes of personal mail he received regarding his posts to BEE-L. Actually this is not quite true, I took Dr. R. off BEE-L at his request because his service provider had changed and he was not able to sign off on his own. You really haven't a clue regarding the amount of work it takes to manage a LISTSERV list, but trust me I'm here to help, not hinder. I keep in touch with Dr. R off-list and pass on to him anything from BEE-L that may be of interest to him regarding his work. This is an added personal service that I extend to him and something for which he is very grateful. >You are deluded if you think that the BEE-L has become a >better forum with your censorship. I tire of being bashed for my efforts. Again, read the archives, specifically my post titled "Moderation is not Censorship". There is a BIG difference. Again (and hopefully for the last time) I DO NOT decree what can and cannot be said on BEE-L. As long as submissions pertain to "Informed Discussion of Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology" without quoting entire previous posts and are submitted as text only, they are approved. In addition, moderation has stopped personal response between individuals being posted to the entire list AND moderation has stopped commands meant for LISTSERV from being posted to the entire list. I have received many letters of thanks when I keep people from embarassing themselves. THAT'S the difference between moderation and censorship. However if you still choose to call it censorship, that certainly is your right. And again, I tire of being bashed for my efforts. You are correct, sci.agriculture.beekeeping provides a non-moderated forum to voice your opinions. Elroy Rogers has left BEE-L and posts here, an option which is available to any person on the Internet. But please Mark, leave me alone. I don't deserve the abuse. BEE-L was and still is an open forum to discuss issues pertaining to beekeeping and bee biology. It's a great service which I'm happy to provide. I'm not happy to be flamed for my efforts. Sincerely, Aaron Morris Article 12931 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ronbelldvm@aol.com (RonBellDVM) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Loking to buy ONE hive in MD or adjacent Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998061612240100.IAA14176@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1998 12:24:01 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: <3585F824.D71391C3@mindless.com> Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12931 Ernie Miner, of Ernies Apiaries, in Walkersville, MD just outside of Frederick may be able to help. E-mail me for his phone number. If you are in another area of MD, he can give you names of other closer beekeepers. He is very active in the Maryland State Beekeepers Assoc. Hope that helps. Ron Bell Article 12932 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: chamokar Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:33:36 -0400 Organization: myself Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35868240.1AD6@cyberia.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> Reply-To: chamokar@mail.cyberia.com NNTP-Posting-Host: tc76.cyberia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!newsfeed.wizvax.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.idt.net!pln-e!extra.newsguy.com!lotsanews.com!news-out.microserve.net!news-in.microserve.net!not-for-mail Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8183 rec.gardens:265413 rec.gardens.edible:11006 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12932 sci.agriculture.fruit:1909 Brad Faber wrote: > > I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had > so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. > Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits > mature. > > Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a > home garden? > > -- > > Brad Faber > Pres., Editor in Chief > Reef Reviews http://www.reefreviews.com > nOsPaMbrad@reefreviews.comNOsPam > > remove the nospam before and after Try lavender and lamb's ears. They both attract lots of bees. A word of caution, lamb's ear will spread fast. Karen Article 12933 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!cu-dialup-0011.cit.cornell.edu!user From: jwg6@cornell.edu (JGinNY) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping,alt.hobbies.beekeeping Subject: Nuc's for sale -- Binghamton, NY Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:40:30 -0400 Organization: lahdeeFreakindaah Lines: 3 Sender: jwg6@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: cu-dialup-0011.cit.cornell.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12933 alt.hobbies.beekeeping:29 Limited number of strong 5-frame nuclei for sale, ready to go. Call Dean Frost, Whitney Point, (607) 692-3066 Article 12934 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: Nemaha@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:57:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6m614v$auk$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.154.157.67 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Jun 16 14:57:34 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Windows 95) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12934 > I tire of being bashed for my efforts. > Sincerely, > Aaron Morris > As a new beekeeper this year, I want to thank you and let you know how much I appreciate sites such as Bee-L and sci.agriculture.beekeeping. I'm constantly saving information from both sources for future reference, and even when I don't, I enjoy reading and learning from the exchanges of information. (My only suggestion is that someone should resolve the issue of queen excluders once and for all...!) -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12935 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "Midnite" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: hornedfaced bee Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 13:14:58 -0400 Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.31.91 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.161.31.91 Message-ID: <3586a7f2.0@newsfeed1.cybertours.com> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!208.136.69.33!newsfeed1.cybertours.com!208.161.31.91 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12935 Greetings! there was a thread about the hornedfaced bee and I have added a link to the following:http://www.cybertours.com/~midnitebee How to Control Parasitic Wasps (Monodontomerus obscurus) Supplies and Equipment Life Cycle of Hornfaced Bees Bee Shelters Also, after "speaking" to Jim Amrine, Entomologist & Acarologist, West Virginia University,there is a link to the essential oil site. Herb -- Holly-B Apiary P.O. Box 26 Wells,Maine 04090-0026 Article 12936 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Susan K. Wehe" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:02:33 -0500 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3586CF59.29F10CEB@ix.netcom.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: san-tx1-10.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Tue Jun 16 3:02:47 PM CDT 1998 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8187 rec.gardens:265508 rec.gardens.edible:11030 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12936 sci.agriculture.fruit:1913 Have you considered installing a hive or renting one? No kidding, most beekeepers will rent out hives on a seasonal basis. susan > I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had > so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. > Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits > mature. > > Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a > home garden? Article 12937 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk!dave From: Dave Black Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 to 6 eggs a worker cell Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 21:09:26 +0100 Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <3584DCD4.FF6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk:194.222.228.123 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 898028010 nnrp-05:22363 NO-IDENT woodbridge-rd.demon.co.uk:194.222.228.123 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Trial Version 3.03a Lines: 16 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12937 In article <3584DCD4.FF6@wirtschaft.tu-ilmenau.de>, Christian Schuetz writes >In one hive I saw in worker cells many with only one egg but some >included up to 6 eggs. The Queen is probably from 1996. There were also >swarm- cells. Did anybody had equal expiriences? You know that newly mated queens can sometimes be a bit 'over- enthusiastic' and lay more than one egg on the cell. The difference from worker laid eggs being that worker laid eggs are more likely to be on the sides, with a shorter abdomen they can't reach so far into the cell. Could the queen have been succeeded by another ? Dave Black Surrey, UK. http://www.guildford.ac.uk/beehive Article 12938 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: chucklaser@aol.com (ChuckLaser) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Honey Bee larval and pupal stages Lines: 9 Message-ID: <1998061620101100.QAA24709@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 16 Jun 1998 20:10:11 GMT References: <01bd95f3$7a4b7900$0400a8c0@mark> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com X-Newsreader: AOL Offline Reader Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12938 In article <01bd95f3$7a4b7900$0400a8c0@mark>, "Mark Harries" writes:>Determining the exact larval and pupal stage of Honey bee worker and drone>brood can be a headache for the newcomer to bee keeping. I,m wondering is>there a fool proof method, perhaps even an illustrated reference published>to help? Any infomation gratefully recieved.I got a book for Christmas. Published by DADANT & SONS, I believe. It has that info and much more. Truly a copious reference tome. Good for months of entertaining reading. Try searching for Their website, they are a big time bee company also.Chuck Article 12939 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newsfeed.cv.nrao.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!pmlaw From: pmlaw@ulster.net (Polly ) Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:54:23 -0500 Organization: Thrum's End Art Studio Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.133.193.47 X-Trace: 898016535 TEBWCEYUUC12FD085C usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: MT-NewsWatcher 2.3.5 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8189 rec.gardens:265551 rec.gardens.edible:11041 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12939 sci.agriculture.fruit:1914 In article <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com>, "Brad Faber" wrote: >I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had >so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. >Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits >mature. > >Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >home garden? Hi Brad, Check out this site:The Pollination Scene: http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html I made an Orchard Bee House from directions at the site and 5 cavities are filled so far. Good luck, Polly M. Law Upstate NY/Z5 ************************** Insolitores Res Contiguerunt ************************** Article 12940 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Peek" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:46:03 -0400 Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6m6sl3$oo$1@supernews.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.131.128.214 X-Trace: 898037219 VRL06/YYI80D6D083C usenet54.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8190 rec.gardens:265576 rec.gardens.edible:11047 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12940 sci.agriculture.fruit:1915 Why not become a beekeeper? Brad Faber wrote in message <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com>... >I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had >so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. >Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits >mature. > >Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >home garden? > >-- > >Brad Faber >Pres., Editor in Chief >Reef Reviews http://www.reefreviews.com >nOsPaMbrad@reefreviews.comNOsPam > >remove the nospam before and after > > > Article 12941 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: mejensen@att.net (Mark Jensen) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 03:37:30 GMT Organization: No Junk Mail Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> Reply-To: mejensen@att.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.39.187 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12941 On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) wrote: >Elroy Rogers stated he would leave BEE-L if it becomes a moderated list, >he restated that he would leave BEE-L if it remains a moderated list >and he left BEE-L because it is a moderated list. Elroy's signing off slipped by me. I don't read all the posts. It was the tone of your comment that led me to believe that Elroy did not leave voluntarily. >Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. >Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are >no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! I apologize for the criticism that was unfounded, and I appreciate your efforts to make BEE-L a more worthwhile forum. There is some anecdotal information that moderation makes a list less lively. I do hope that this has not been the case on BEE-L. >But please Mark, leave me alone. I don't deserve the abuse. BEE-L was >and still is an open forum to discuss issues pertaining to beekeeping >and bee biology. It's a great service which I'm happy to provide. I'm >not happy to be flamed for my efforts. A rhetorical question. Would you have allowed my post on BEE-L? I am surprised to find I have been thought to have flamed. Can't remember ever having been accused of that before. Again I am sorry to have maligned you unfairly. Article 12942 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!news.eng.convex.com!seas.smu.edu!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Allen Litherland Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Sting Information Needed Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 00:30:59 -0700 Organization: Southeastern IL Electric Cooperative http://www.seiec.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <358770B3.198D@midwest.net> References: <3581571C.EE635AC2@goldenvalley.com> Reply-To: lithar@seiec.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.235.28.30 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 898044646 .ZFUVYH4M1C1ED0EBC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12942 Frank Curtis wrote: > > We have a discussion going. Given time, can a bee free itself > after it has stung an animal, assuming the bee is not brushed > or shaken off. For instance if a mouse raided a hive, and was killed > in the process, could a bee that stung said mouse free itself??? > > (We have no lives...) I don't know much about mouse hide but after watching my bees sting my leather gloves and essentially turn themselves inside out afterwards (I did not brush or shake them off), I'd have to assume the mouse's misery resulted in the death of the bee. By the way, I've also watched my bees "sting" my bee brush and escape unharmed after a futile attempt to embed their stingers. And you thought *you* have no lives? -- ************************************************* It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end. ************************************************* Article 12943 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!newshub.northeast.verio.net!howland.erols.net!feed2.news.erols.com!erols!not-for-mail From: "John D'Amico" Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 01:54:11 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6m7lo1$kds$1@winter.news.erols.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207-172-170-168.s41.as1.hmt.erols.com X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 898062913 20924 207.172.170.168 (17 Jun 1998 05:55:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8193 rec.gardens:265698 rec.gardens.edible:11076 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12943 sci.agriculture.fruit:1917 Brad, I've kept bees here in southern New Jersey for about six years now and it all started because of my melons. We raise about two acres of vegetables and set up a small roadside stand and of course we give a lot away to our friends and family. All of the usual vegetables are grown, but we really like to grow a lot of watermelon, seedless and yellow and orange varieties, and a lot of cantaloupes, charantais, galia and athena varieties. The bees make all the difference in the world, the fruits are larger, sweeter, and just plain better in all respects because of the bees. But the bonus here is the bees themselves. They are a constant source of fascination for my wife and I, and our young daughter who is seven. We have five hives now, they are close to the back of the house. No problems, the kid plays near them and believe it or not has only been stung once. Of course with me it is a different story 'cause I go in the hives, but its not that big a deal, you get used to it. We have fresh honey every year, and they have become part of our lives, like plowing in the spring and growing our vegetables. I recommend that you give serious consideration to trying a hive or two of your own, you won't bee disappointed. Best of luck to you, John Article 12944 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!nntp.upenn.edu!dsinc!newsserver.jvnc.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!Supernews60!supernews.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sdca.home.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Message-ID: <35876076.1789F940@world.com> From: Pete & Janine Organization: @Home Network X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-AtHome0402 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping,sci.agriculture.fruit Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 13 Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 06:18:13 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: cx513980-a.alpn1.sdca.home.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 23:18:13 PDT Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8194 rec.gardens:265703 rec.gardens.edible:11077 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12944 sci.agriculture.fruit:1918 Brad Faber wrote: > > I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had > so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. > Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits > mature. > > Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a > home garden? > > -- Borage will attract a lot of bees and so will thyme. Borage is also a good companion plant to help improve the flavor. J9 Article 12945 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kishke744@aol.com (Kishke744) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: bee hives Lines: 3 Message-ID: <1998061706254200.CAA13915@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1998 06:25:42 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12945 Anyone have any suggestions on getting rid of a bee hive? It is located inches from my front door, on the underside of an overhang. I have also noticed a couple of bumble bees on tree branches just outside my house. Article 12946 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!news.sgi.com!eecs-usenet-02.mit.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com (flightdeck) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Swarms everywhere! And a story to go with them Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:24:13 GMT Organization: ACS Lines: 72 Message-ID: <3587aac4.2901184@nntp.ix.netcom.com> Reply-To: fltdeck1[NO SPAM]@ix.netcom.com NNTP-Posting-Host: den-co11-23.ix.netcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Jun 17 5:20:47 AM PDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12946 After calling some of the pest-removal services in town, I happened by one which had two calls in a row from home-owners whom were complaining of swarms of bees (Castle Rock, CO). Free bees? That's for me! However, upon arrival of both locations, the home-owners BOTH said the bees had begun to swarm on their houses on Sunday and only just today (Tues) had called for help. Too late, unfortunately, as the bees on both locations had found their new home into the eaves of the houses. I decided to try & see if I couldn't 'coax' one of the larger swarms(hive?) out of their new home, as there seemed to be an extremely large amount of bees coming in for a landing (counted approx. 20-30 every 10 seconds). There were only two problems: 1) the entrance to the bees is some 40feet up from ground-level 2) I've never done this before (complete novice with only 2 hives!) I'd read where another beekeeper coaxed a swarm out of a wall using a hive and a frame of brood out of another hive. He simply attached a wire-mesh cone (4" at the wall, down to 1/2" at the far opening) which effectively made a one-way bee-valve --- bees would fly out of the wall, but found it difficult to return. Feeling homeless & lost, the bees would begin work inside of the next best thing - the hive left at the end of the cone which contained the frames of brood & honey. His intention was that the bees would immediately begin raising a new queen. This scheme succeded in drawing all the worker bees out of the wall & robbing the old hive of it's honey over a 30-day period. There might have been more to this than what I remember, though this seemed to be the general idea. SO, I constructed a cardboard box with 4-5 frames, one consising of comb-honey & a bit of brood from one of my hives. I attached the makeshift hive as close to the entrance of the swarm as possible (approx 5 "). At the opening of the eave, I closed off their entrance with a combination of packing foam (to seal) and a cardboard tube in the middle of the foam which connected the old entrance to the new hive. I figured the bees would have to go through my new hive to gain access to the outside world, or find a new way out of the eave. As well, to keep the bees in the new hive, I made a small version of the "one-way" valve, with a mesh screen cone which narrowed to 1/2" (or so) inside of my hive. Will this work? I've figured that the bees will likely suffocate if they don't get enough airflow following the restriction I placed at their entrance. AND, I'm not sure the brood I have in the frame are of the right age to make a new queen, and I'm doubtful the eggs will keep without immediate attention from the bees. There's also the possibility that the bees found a new way into the world via the inside of the house. Wouldn't that be nice? Since I have VERY LITTLE IDEA of what I'm doing....and am applying a "best guess" at many factors, any help on this guess would be appreciated. Stay tuned for the follow-up in the next few days. PS - the 40-foot drop was definately NOT worth the risk, and I'll likely limit future risky adventures to 15 feet or less. Oh...they were going to kill the bees unless I tried my best effort on getting some/all of the bees out right away - so both the bees & I had very little to lose. The homeowner described the swarm as "blackening" his deck on Sunday, covering a 4' x 6' area. Taking the house apart is NOT an option for this homeowner, and he'll kill the bees if I don't succeed. Article 12947 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!peer.news.zetnet.net!zetnet.co.uk!user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Philip Roger Gurr Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 12:21:51 +0100 Message-ID: <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: user-10003987.zetnet.co.uk X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10003987 Lines: 22 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12947 The message <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> from "JAF" contains these words: > Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... > >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) > >wrote: > This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing > of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the > benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! Likewise. Is this something only available in the U.S.of A.? Phil. Article 12948 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Message-ID: <3587C0B6.A194CFE0@zzclinic.net> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 09:12:22 -0400 From: Bill Truesdell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping To: JAF Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa-sign up for BEE-L References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.228.212.59 X-Trace: 17 Jun 1998 09:14:57 -0500, 207.228.212.59 Lines: 36 Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.156.97.247!news.destek.net!207.228.212.59 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12948 Easy to sign up. Go to http://www.beekeeping.co.nz/ and there is a place to subscribe. It is open to anyone from anywhere. All the concerns about moderated or not moderated are groundless, since I have seen no difference in the posts before or after. I subscribe to several moderated lists and their unmoderated counterpart. The stuff that usually gets dumped is well worth dumping. Most reasoned posts survive no matter how controversial. The BEE-L is a good list. I get a lot of info from it, though, like all lists and newsgroups, it will repeat threads when someone new comes on. But so what. You get emails directly from the list. You can also get the best of BEE-L which has what is considered pertainant from the list and does not have the me-tos usually found on lists and newsgroups. You will find many of the same names on the BEE-L that you see here. Bill Truesdell Bath, ME Remove zz from ...clinic.net... to reply directly another plus. I use my correct email address on the BEE-L and do not have to worry about spam like I do on newsgroups. JAF wrote: > Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... > >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) > >wrote: > > This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing > of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the > benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! > -- > jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk > "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12949 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!141.211.144.13.MISMATCH!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: zvan@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: alt.agriculture.fruit,rec.gardens,rec.gardens.edible,sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 15:08:34 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6m8m5i$ft7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> <6m7lo1$kds$1@winter.news.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.217.35.177 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 17 15:08:34 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; OSF1 V4.0 alpha) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu alt.agriculture.fruit:8196 rec.gardens:265729 rec.gardens.edible:11086 sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12949 In article <6m7lo1$kds$1@winter.news.erols.com>, "John D'Amico" wrote: > > > Brad, > > I've kept bees here in southern New Jersey for about six years now and it > all started because of my melons. We raise about two acres of vegetables > and set up a small roadside stand and of course we give a lot away to our > friends and family. All of the usual vegetables are grown, but we really a friend who keeps bees says startup costs can be some $120 for a single hive. she says the hive will expand over the years (said you may have 5 hives 6 yrs later, and you will not have to pay for the bees, of course). she says a good hive will produce 180 pounds of honey in a year, of which you can get 60 (beware of preying racoons, bolt down the hive and enclose it in chainlink). that sounds to me like recouping your money in one year, not to mention a lot of mead homebrewing. the incredible part is, she has a suburban backyard of perhaps 1/4 acre and still keeps bees (i have 2 acres). i am myself tempted to start, and apparently she will give me a hive if i give her part of one of my mushroom beds. -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading Article 12950 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: MOUNTAIN BEE PRODUCTS, SOUTH AFRICA Date: 17 Jun 1998 16:29:14 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6m8qsq$n09@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6m7r5k$dst$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.247 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12950 This post is really looking a lot like spam to me! Come on.....do you have to post every day? -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Robin Mountain wrote in article <6m7r5k$dst$1@news01.iafrica.com>... > Our webpage address is http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html > > Our E-mail address is mountbee@iafrica.com > > We are Beekeepers specializing in the manufacturing of protective garments > for beekeepers worldwide. Please take a look at our page and contact us for > details on prices and delivery. > > All the best > > Robin and Stella Mountain > > > Article 12951 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.uoregon.edu!news.nero.net!ednet2!orednet.org!ryarnell From: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Help with attracting Bees Date: 17 Jun 1998 16:40:29 GMT Organization: Oregon ED-NET, Oregon (USA) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6m8rht$4g0@ednet2.orednet.org> References: <6m43uj$hta$1@news.sunflower.com> Reply-To: ryarnell@orednet.org (Richard Yarnell) NNTP-Posting-Host: ednet1.orednet.org Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12951 In a previous article, pmlaw@ulster.net (Polly) says: >>I am a home gardener in northeast Kansas. For the past 2 years, we have had >>so few bees that fruit and vegetable production have been very poor. >>Squash, melons, and fruit trees have been hardest hit to where no fruits >>mature. >>Is there anything I can do to attract more bees or other pollinators to a >>home garden? >Check out this site:The Pollination Scene: >http://users.aol.com/pollinator/polpage1.html >I made an Orchard Bee House from directions at the site and 5 cavities are >filled so far. You will find that the Mason Bee is active only for a short time early in the growing season. They emerge as temperatures rise. Their active lives coincide with the flowering of deciduous (fruit) trees. As far as I know, they are finished laying next year's generation after only a month. Late season fruits and most vegetables are not helped much with the solitary bees. OTOH, we keep both solitary and honey bees and our yields have recovered nicely. Beware, a hive of honey bees becomes two, four, eight.... Now, what are the definitions of addiction and intriguing? -- Article 12952 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: godfrey.munro@zbee.com (Godfrey Munro) Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!join.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.pcug.co.uk!!godfrey.munro Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Kent County Beekeeping Exhibition & Honey Show Message-ID: <898102261@zbee.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 14:41:04 GMT Distribution: world Organization: Amigabee computer networking for beekeepers CHRS: IBMPC 2 CODEPAGE: 850 MSGID: 240:244/123 3aadc91b Lines: 29 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12952 FWDFROM Godfrey Munro FWDTO all FWDORIG 240:244/123 FWDMSGID 240:244/123 3aadbc56 PID: FDAPX/w+ 1.12a EH00022 * Forwarded from 'Kent Beekeeping Association' * Originally by Godfrey Munro, 240:244/123 * Originally to all * Originally dated Wed 17 Jun 1998 15:37 -*- Forwarded message follows: -*- The above show takes place at the Kent County Agricultural Show Ground, England , on the 16th, 17th & 18th July 1998. Please make every effort to enter your honey in the Honey Show classes. Entry form available from Frank Pearce, Westover Farm Cottage, Smarden, Ashford, Kent TN27 8NT or tel 01233 77096 Godfrey Munro Publicity Officer parkbee@zbee.com -!- ! Origin: Park Beekeeping Supplies Tel/Fax: +44 (0)181 694 9960 (240:244/123) --- * Origin: Park Beekeeping Supplies Tel/Fax: +44 (0)181 694 9960 (240:244/123) Article 12953 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 08:50:09 +0100 Lines: 13 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp47-75.dial.nildram.co.uk Message-ID: <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!Gamma.RU!srcc!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!peer.news.nildram.co.uk!mercury.nildram.co.uk!ppp47-75.dial.nildram.co.uk Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12953 Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >wrote: This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! -- jaf@jaf.nildramnilspam.co.uk "Age Quod Agis" - "Ne Cede Malis" Article 12954 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: toto627@aol.com (Toto627) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: 5 to 6 eggs a worker cell Lines: 11 Message-ID: <1998061720152200.QAA14931@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 17 Jun 1998 20:15:21 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com References: Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12954 I found a similar situation in a hive yesterday. The queen had only a small group of bees and she had laid the area that she had bees to cover. Eggs and larve were normal in appearance and placement. Then immediatly below that area she had put multiple eggs (hard to see for sure, but I counted 8 in one cell) in several cells. Here's my theory: She's a fairly young queen and has gotten frustrated with so few bees to cover her brood and has started laying multiple eggs per cell. I had another hive that had loads of bees and some capped brood but was queenless. I moved her and her little group to that hive in hopes they could meet each others needs. May have been the wrong thing to do (someone will disagree no matter what you do!) but I'll know shortly if I was successful or not. Article 12955 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: FAQs and how to have them answered Date: 17 Jun 1998 11:31:28 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6m89eg$8bi$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12955 In article <1998061712215175982@zetnet.co.uk>, Philip Roger Gurr wrote: >The message <35876f1d.0@mercury.nildram.co.uk> > from "JAF" contains these words: > > > >> Mark Jensen wrote in message <6m7drk$r9q@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>... >> >On Mon, 15 Jun 98 09:55:41 EDT, SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu (Aaron Morris) >> >wrote: > >> This conversation is intriguing to those of us who know little or nothiing >> of BEE-L. Perhaps you might post some details of this service, for the >> benefit of the uninitiated? I'm sure it would be aprectiated! > >Likewise. Is this something only available in the U.S.of A.? http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees Read the FAQ files. :-) Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12956 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!unc-cs!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 15:20:18 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 71 Message-ID: <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898114861 14382 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 20:21:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 20:21:01 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12956 Aaron Morris wrote: > In article <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> > mejensen@att.net (Mark Jensen) writes: > > >... > >Is it true that Elroy Rogers has been kicked off the BEE-L? > > Mark, > > NO ONE, not one person, NOBODY has been "kicked off" BEE-L, not even Malibu > Skipper! Subscribers come and go OF THEIR OWN ACCORD. Read the archives. > Elroy Rogers stated he would leave BEE-L if it becomes a moderated list, > he restated that he would leave BEE-L if it remains a moderated list > and he left BEE-L because it is a moderated list. Aaron, True you have not actually kicked me off bee-l, but what everyone doesn't know is that the private emails between us has made me feel very unwelcome on bee-l. > > > Pedro Rodriguez, DVM signed off BEE-L because he was not able to keep up > with the volumes of personal mail he received regarding his posts to BEE-L. > Actually this is not quite true, I took Dr. R. off BEE-L at his request > because his service provider had changed and he was not able to sign off on > his own. You really haven't a clue regarding the amount of work it takes > to manage a LISTSERV list, but trust me I'm here to help, not hinder. I > keep in touch with Dr. R off-list and pass on to him anything from BEE-L > that may be of interest to him regarding his work. This is an added > personal service that I extend to him and something for which he is very > grateful. > > >You are deluded if you think that the BEE-L has become a > >better forum with your censorship. > I tire of being bashed for my efforts. Again, read the archives, specifically > my post titled "Moderation is not Censorship". There is a BIG difference. > Again (and hopefully for the last time) I DO NOT decree what can and cannot > be said on BEE-L. As long as submissions pertain to "Informed Discussion of > Beekeeping Issues and Bee Biology" without quoting entire previous posts > and are submitted as text only, they are approved. In addition, moderation > has stopped personal response between individuals being posted to the entire > list AND moderation has stopped commands meant for LISTSERV from being > posted to the entire list. I have received many letters of thanks when I > keep people from embarassing themselves. > > THAT'S the difference between moderation and censorship. However if you > still choose to call it censorship, that certainly is your right. And again, > I tire of being bashed for my efforts. You are correct, > sci.agriculture.beekeeping provides a non-moderated forum to voice your > opinions. Elroy Rogers has left BEE-L and posts here, an option which is > available to any person on the Internet. Everyone that post on bee-l and this news group should be held up to scrutiny, just because you have title after your name doesn't give one a pass. As I post I hope to draw lots of flames and scrutiny, I am not so thin skinned. If I am challenge only then can the truth come out and answers be cleared up. > > > But please Mark, leave me alone. I don't deserve the abuse. BEE-L was > and still is an open forum to discuss issues pertaining to beekeeping > and bee biology. It's a great service which I'm happy to provide. I'm > not happy to be flamed for my efforts. Why should you or anyone be given a pass to scutiny? Article 12957 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!adamf From: adamf@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Adam Finkelstein) Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 17 Jun 1998 21:07:17 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6m9b65$n38$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12957 In article <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net>, Elroy Rogers wrote: >Everyone that post on bee-l and this news group should be held up to scrutiny, >just because you have title after your name doesn't give one a pass. As I post I >hope to draw lots of flames and scrutiny, I am not so thin skinned. If I am >challenge only then can the truth come out and answers be cleared up. Okay. So what's your point Elroy? Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamf@vt.edu http://sunsite.unc.edu/bees/adamf Article 12958 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!rutgers!usenet.logical.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: "George Styer" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: 17 Jun 1998 21:17:46 GMT Organization: Productive Solutions Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6m9bpq$ies@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.98.173 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12958 Ok, I am still waiting for you to provide some evidence to support your prior inference that fluvalinate is a carcinogenic. So please let the truth come out. -- Geo "Honey is sweet, but the bee stings" gstyLer@worldnet.att.net Get the "L" out of there to reply via e-mail Elroy Rogers wrote in article <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net>... > If I am challenge only then can the truth come out and answers be cleared up. > Article 12959 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 14:55:22 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 112 Message-ID: <3586CDA4.6778D1F5@starpoint.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898113365 14129 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 19:56:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 19:56:05 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12959 Aaron Morris wrote: > In article <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> > Elroy Rogers writes: > > >... There is already an effort to quiet every > >one that talks about mineral oil on the internet, bee-l no longer allows > >it on the list because it offends the scientists on the list. This main > >reason for the list to switch to a moderated (censored) list is to keep > >controversial issues off, which is a request of the researchers. > > > >I hope Adam doesn't go the route of censoring the news group. > > > >Elroy > > > > I know I'll regret this, but as the owner/editor/moderator/dedicated > slave of BEE-L I find these coments EXTREMELY offensive. Hi Aaron I glad you decided to join in a free and open discussion of which Bee-l is not. > > > First, BEE-L is NOT censored, it's moderated. There is a big difference > that simply seems beyond Elroy's ability to grasp. I disagree, you said to me personally that everyone is subject to review . From what I have seen on Bee-l some are set to review (censored) and some are set to no review (not censored). For those that are set to no review they can say any thing they chose and those that are set to review can not challenge them. It has come out of your own key board that you will not allow inflammatory remarks on bee-l, so I being set to review can not defend mineral oil as a miticide when the bee scientists on bee-l say it doesn't work > There has been no, none > what-so-ever, NADA attempt to silence anything that anyone has to say on > BEE-L. The specifically mentioned discussion (mineral oil as a > treatment for varroa) was originally announced on BEE-L by the man doing > the work, Pedro Rodriquez, DVM and the announcement and subsequent > discussion has been near exhaustive regarding Dr. Rodriguez's work and > experiment design. There was NO effort to silence the good Dr. and > every opportunity was extended to him to allow him to disseminate his > findings. In fact, Dr. Rodriguez left BEE-L because he could not keep > up with the volumes of discussion and continue his work at the same > time. Anyone willing to do the work can get the whole story by joining > BEE-L and searching the archives. The discussion was free and open and > extensive. I would like to correct you On the reason Dr. Rodriquez has left Bee-l , I Quote " I have been in tears almost because of what the so called Bee scientist on Bee-l have said to discredit my work and discredit mineral oil as a effective tool as a miticide", Aaron it's too bad that you've chosen the road you have. Dr. Rodriquez believes as I do, that is the researchers and bee scientist will get nothing in proving mineral oil as a effective miticide. They get grants from the chemical companies for keeping the beekeepers slaves too the big chemical companies, and you just become part of there cover-up. > The decision to make BEE-L a moderated list was one I made after long > resisting the cries to do so. What finally had me make BEE-L a > moderated list was the repeated futile requests to have posters follow > accepted rule of netiquete. The straw that broke the camel's back were > REPEATED repostings of previous material to add a line or two of > additional comment. Repeated requests to modify writing style were > ignored and it was not until control was enforced that excessive quotes > ceased. AND excessive requoting ceased within days of implementing the > controls. Aaron I have never done this on bee-l, why am I set to review could it be to censor me? > > > Since BEE-L has been moderated it has become a much better forum. > Excessive requoted material is no longer there. Off topic comments are > no longer there. ELROY ROGERS is no longer there! > I have no wish or plans to return to a censored list. > For the records, the guidelines for acceptable postings to BEE-L are > appended below. Within those guidelines, any and all discussion is > welcome. As always, the discussion is free and open and everyone is > invited to participate. For those who left BEE-L because it became too > chatty/flamy/off topic/noisy, I invite you to examine again what a > valuable medium it is. For those who care to throw stones at the > efforts of those who provide the service I'm thankful for you to stay > away. > If I challenge a bee scientist or some one that has been in a government position on bee-l, how can this be throwing stones. You have gone on vacation and left me hang there on review for ten days every one else could post freely, you must really fear what I may say on your precious list. > Sincerely, > Aaron Morris > Bee-l Owner/Editor/Moderator > > > Since BEE-L has been a moderated list it has become aparant > that there are 6 catagories of inappropriate postings which > result in the submission being returned to the sender. > Those catagories are listed below, followed by the short > rejection notice that may be returned to sender. I have never done any of these I only objected to bee-l becoming moderated (censored) for this I have ben set to review or censored. Article 12960 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed1.earthlink.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:06:09 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3586EC4C.7CB6AADC@starpoint.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <17F70CB30S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <6lma06$3up$1@algol.cis.udel.edu> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> <6m9bpq$ies@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898121213 15314 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 22:06:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 22:06:53 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12960 George Styer wrote: > Ok, I am still waiting for you to provide some evidence to support your > prior inference that fluvalinate is a carcinogenic. So please let the truth > come out. I tried to find where I found it but was unable to do so, I know I should have had proof before posting it. I was sure it was either on Jan Templetan web site or Apis, but was unable to find it again. I know it was posted on a web site but was maybe pulled later. Maybe someone else can shed some light on this. I looked for several days or until your post expired, so I'll look some more for you. I don't understand why beekeepers are so willing to put these chemicals in their colonies when there is an alternative anyway. Now formic acid is being approved for use in bee hives, what crap to put in a beehive when we are all so proud of our product (honey). Elroy > -- > Article 12961 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Devasted by varroa Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 17:35:37 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3586F335.A8D6712C@starpoint.net> References: <357BB6AD.A4B6A3C4@starpoint.net> <6lsu4b$182@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net> <17F768BA3S86.SYSAM@uacsc2.albany.edu> <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net> <6m9b65$n38$1@solaris.cc.vt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898122978 15633 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 22:36:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 22:36:18 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12961 Adam Finkelstein wrote: > In article <3586D37D.EF55B21A@starpoint.net>, > Elroy Rogers wrote: > > >Everyone that post on bee-l and this news group should be held up to scrutiny, > >just because you have title after your name doesn't give one a pass. As I post I > >hope to draw lots of flames and scrutiny, I am not so thin skinned. If I am > >challenge only then can the truth come out and answers be cleared up. > > Okay. So what's your point Elroy? > In Aarons post he says and I quote:"But please Mark, leave me alone. I don't deserve the abuse. BEE-L wasand still is an open forum to discuss issues pertaining to beekeeping and bee biology. It's a great service which I'm happy to provide. I'm not happy to be flamed for my efforts." I was just trying to point out that Aaron and his close friends on Bee-l don't like being challenged by the little beekeeper like myself and others. If he really wants to cut out wordy reposts he should only put on review (censor) only those quilty of it. One nice thing about being the moderator you can send back any post to sender without anyone finding out other than sender, thus killing all criticism. I would also like to add I like this news group it is made up of mostly very friendly people that want to exchange ideas of beekeeping, I usually read all the post posted and find them very interesting. I am glad it is very hard for anyone to try and censor the group. Elroy Article 12962 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!192.26.210.166.MISMATCH!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: new treatment with FGMO Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 16:43:10 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <3586E6EA.FF9C0546@starpoint.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898119834 15109 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 21:43:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 21:43:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12962 Hi All, I have been off line for awhile, I've been doing some test for varroa mites in my colonies. I caught approximately 1200 to 1300 bees in a jar then washed all the bees with alcohol using a double screen, the first screen to catch the bees the second is fine to catch the varroa. After doing a double wash I counted 15 mites on the screen and inside of the jar. That is about 1.2% infestation. I have only treated for mites using mineral oil twice this spring, I think this is pretty good since they went all winter untreated. No other treatment was used for the treatment of varroa in these colonies. I have purchased these as nucs last spring from a beekeeper that had over 40% losses over winter 250 out of 550 colonies, he had used apistan spring and fall as the instructions called for. He has done the same test on his bees and had 3.5% infestation, his bees were in poor condition when they returned from california this spring. Since he has started using mineral oil his bees are rebounding fast and he is very happy with the mineral oil treatment. We are going to test for mites every two weeks, the next test should show a decrease in varroa mites. I'll post the results each time. Here is the new recipe: 3 oz mineral oil ( over the counter at drug store or grocery store ) 3 cups water 3 cups sugar 1 teaspoon pectin ( fruit jell type at grocery store) Add mineral oil with 1 cup water heat it too a boil (do not boil) works good in microwave for 220 second, put in a blender and mix at low speed ( careful if oil gets on you at that temp it will take the skin off) add pectin then blend for 30 seconds too 1 minute. Let mixture cool to room temp then add the rest of water and sugar shake too mix. If this is going to sit for awhile you may mix the water and sugar as needed. Do not add hot mixture to the cold water and sugar it separates afterwards, always mix hot too hot or cold to cold. I mix the concentrate the day before I need it then add the sugar water the day I use it. The mineral oil will not separate from the water for two days when it starts to separate just shake it a little it will return to emulsified easily. This works very nice, mineral oil stays mixed after spraying the bees and top bars with it, this will not harm them ether. The bee quickly clean themselves of the mixture. I still spray the front of the hive with it, the bees clean the area very fast. The mixture will then be feed to larvae and the varroa mites that go into the cell to reproduce and feed on the larvae will be killed. The cell has always been a safe place for the varroa mite until now. As always criticism and questions are always welcome. Elroy Article 12963 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!gatech!144.212.95.13.MISMATCH!nntprelay.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: "Robin Mountain" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: MOUNTAIN BEE PRODUCTS, SOUTH AFRICA Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 20:22:18 +0200 Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6m7r5k$dst$1@news01.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-31-162-82.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12963 Our webpage address is http://www.birkey.com/BLB/Beekeeping/mountain.html Our E-mail address is mountbee@iafrica.com We are Beekeepers specializing in the manufacturing of protective garments for beekeepers worldwide. Please take a look at our page and contact us for details on prices and delivery. All the best Robin and Stella Mountain Article 12964 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: Path: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!gatech!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.winternet.com!beginning-of-path From: Elroy Rogers Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Subject: Re: Need a Double Screen Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 18:11:58 -0500 Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 39 Message-ID: <3586FBBA.A0473D22@starpoint.net> References: <01bd93be$886dabc0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> <357DF2B7.B605BF86@fcbl.net> <01bd9476$1891c4e0$2508d8a5@U238909.el.dow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.146.5.68 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: blackice.winternet.com 898125160 15938 206.146.5.68 (17 Jun 1998 23:12:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@winternet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Jun 1998 23:12:40 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: fddinewz.oit.unc.edu sci.agriculture.beekeeping:12964 Lisa wrote: > Larry; > > What I want to use it for is as a temporary divide in one hive. I'm going > to put a new queen in the top and have the old queen below. I want to keep > the two sets of bees separate so that the ones with the old queen don't > kill the new one. This way I can get the new queen established on her own > but without completely separating the hives so that the two sets of bees > recognize each other when I put them back together. Lisa, Do as I have make one, it's very easy. Take a piece of 3/8 plywood exterior preferred, put a hive box ontop trace around it then get a saw out and cut it out. Then get some 1' by 2' strips ( actually 3/4" by 1 1/2 ")attach to the plywood all the way around the edge on side. Then cut a square hole out of the center the size isn't critical 6" X 12" okay. Get some window screen preferred metal then cover each side of the center hole. You can also just put 6 or 7 slits through the plywood with the power saw blade, no need to cover. That's it, place smooth side down over colony then put on the nuc you want to start, the nuc must have a hole bored into it or cut an entrance out the back of the swarm board. If you are using brood frames from the colony below it is best to point the nucs entrance to the rear, all old bees will return below young bees will stay. I made 30 of these this spring and they work very nice, I have used them to make up two queen colonies this spring, just pull up two frames from a strong colony put them above the swarm board in a nuc introduce a queen. After the queen is laying replace the swarm board with QX and your done. All the queens I have introduce have laid more eggs than the bees could care for within a few days after release, so swarm board was replaced with QX with no fighting. The bees move up from below to help take care of the newly hatched larvae. These are very nice tools for the beekeeper have fun with it. Elroy Article 12965 of sci.agriculture.beekeeping: From: "JAF" Newsgroups: sci.agriculture.beekeeping Ref